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| 00:07.54 | Toadstool2 | is there a driver manager for debian? |
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| 00:09.56 | oopcentric | Where is the actual iceweasel source code? |
| 00:10.02 | centrx | Toadstool2, The drivers are probably named nvidia or nouveau |
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| 00:11.04 | centrx | Toadstool2, So if you do: dpkg -l |egrep "nvidia|nouveau" |
| 00:11.18 | centrx | oopcentric, What do you mean? |
| 00:11.24 | Toadstool2 | thanks centrx |
| 00:12.06 | centrx | oopcentric, You can download the source package, or you can download it from the website |
| 00:12.09 | centrx | with a web browser |
| 00:12.28 | oopcentric | yeah i'm trying to download the source package. |
| 00:12.37 | oopcentric | hang on. i think i might have found it |
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| 00:23.53 | AlexPortable | can I open man with another editor? |
| 00:24.57 | Alexi | AlexPortable: more or less, yes |
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| 00:26.02 | Alexi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:28.54 | AlexPortable | i want to open man files with nano |
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| 00:29.26 | zinx | meh, just switch to Debian GNU/Emacs |
| 00:29.36 | peterrooney | AlexPortable: that plan us not wise. |
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| 00:30.10 | AlexPortable | why not |
| 00:30.40 | zinx | nano won't format them properly |
| 00:31.04 | peterrooney | AlexPortable: do you really trust yourself to not accidentally edit a man page? better is , "update-alternatives --config pager" (and maybe install the 'most' pager as well) |
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| 00:31.28 | AlecTaylor | hi |
| 00:31.29 | zinx | peterrooney: why would he have write access to a man page? |
| 00:31.36 | AlexPortable | ^ |
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| 00:31.50 | peterrooney | zinx: you've never run man as root? |
| 00:32.09 | zinx | nope, why would I? that's asking for trouble |
| 00:33.05 | peterrooney | zinx: unless you've done what AlexPortable is suggesting, what kind of trouble? |
| 00:33.08 | AlexPortable | Any way to limit users accessing a folder in /var/www/ ? |
| 00:33.17 | AlexPortable | because right now every user on the system can view all websites |
| 00:33.43 | zinx | peterrooney: there's no reason to. man used to be able to execute arbitrary code, too. dunno if that's still the case. |
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| 00:35.11 | zinx | peterrooney: looks like it's disabled by default these days |
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| 00:50.07 | jhutchins | !sag |
| 00:50.09 | dpkg | it has been said that sag is The Linux System Administrator's Guide see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/, or say, in german. |
| 00:50.09 | rodyaj | hi. I would like to know how I can add lvm tools to initramfs so that all lvm volumes are available very early in the init process, rather than needing initialisation with /etc/init.d/lvm2 start |
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| 00:57.20 | jhutchins | AlexPortable: Suggest you have a look at the guide. You're sure to have more questions. |
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| 01:01.14 | AlexPortable | which guide |
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| 01:14.58 | johnfg | Is there a pkg that will add more drivers under /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/odbc/? And is there no program to add them,rather they have to be added by hand to odbcinst.ini? |
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| 01:16.44 | centrx | johnfg, Aren't there packages for the database you are looking for? |
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| 01:29.38 | M-16 | hello |
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| 01:30.23 | M-16 | is the first debian 7.4 dvd enough for a working installation with a xfce DE? |
| 01:31.24 | rjsalts | M-16: almost certainly |
| 01:31.41 | M-16 | rjsalts, ok, ty |
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| 01:32.43 | str3 | debian is malware |
| 01:32.45 | str3 | prove me wrong |
| 01:33.34 | str3 | sent from my thinkpad© malware os |
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| 01:35.40 | LtL | str3: prove your right, submit an RFC |
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| 01:35.53 | str3 | my right? |
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| 01:36.00 | centrx | !troll |
| 01:36.01 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
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| 01:36.23 | rsymm619 | so is osx cloud crap :) |
| 01:36.34 | str3 | cloud is the future |
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| 01:36.38 | rsymm619 | (what are we talking about?) |
| 01:36.38 | str3 | a salesman told me |
| 01:36.40 | str3 | it must be true |
| 01:36.50 | rsymm619 | cloud is in the sky. |
| 01:37.04 | rsymm619 | his head is in the sky. |
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| 01:37.28 | str3 | i see the connection |
| 01:39.01 | rodyaj | my debian initramfs makes the root lvm volume available in boot process, but not home or swap. to make home and swap volumes available the lvm2 init script is needed. is there a way to get the initramfs to load all logical volumes without the need to start lvm2 init script? |
| 01:39.13 | rsymm619 | even me when I disconnect. |
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| 01:49.47 | frostschutz | rodyaj, why? what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 01:58.45 | rodyaj | frostschutz: I have some other systems where I'd like to use the debian kernel to test things, but things like fsck and mounting from fstab fail, because it relies on /etc/init.d/lvm script having been run to initialise the volumes |
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| 01:59.12 | rodyaj | I want all my volumes available earlier in the boot process. I'm sure that there is a way using mkinitramfs-tools to do this |
| 02:00.09 | rodyaj | at the moment only the root volume gets initialised from the image |
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| 02:10.32 | jaybe | hi. i am backporting packages from sid with wheezy. for some packages, there are a number of dependencies needed. is there a way for me to `build-dep` by building the deps from source? some of the deps must be built from source as they are not in the wheezy tree. i.e. apt-get build-dep --source nodejs |
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| 02:14.34 | themill | jaybe: nodejs is in wheezy-backports, so start there. Yes, you can build the packages and then install them and then build the next round of packages (of feed your local builds to apt via your own repo) |
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| 02:16.21 | jaybe | themill, thank you. is there a way to automate he acquisition of all the required dependent packages even if such dependencies would need to be acquired by `source -b` ? |
| 02:17.06 | themill | jaybe: I'm not aware of any sort of recursive builder, but you can '/msg judd checkbackport package' to get a list of what packages need to be built in advance. |
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| 02:19.07 | jaybe | themill, thanks again. is there a way to specify --source for a `build-dep` request? e.g. apt-get build-dep npm --source |
| 02:19.56 | themill | what do you want --source to do? |
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| 02:20.31 | jaybe | themill, i'd like the build-dep to download and -b(build) deps |
| 02:20.56 | jaybe | themill, ... from my defined deb-src (sid) |
| 02:20.57 | themill | isn't that exactly the same thing? |
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| 02:21.48 | jaybe | themill, not seeming so, no. `apt-get build-dep npm`, for example, queries wheezy' repo' for the deps whereas i'd like the deps to be obtained from deb-src:sid |
| 02:22.11 | themill | isn't that the exact same recursive building that I said didn't exist? |
| 02:22.58 | jaybe | themill, ok; i wasn't sure if that was the case. i understand. |
| 02:24.11 | themill | My general approach is that if it's not feasible to manuualy '/msg judd checkbackport $foo' a few times and work out what to do, it's a backport that is big enough and likely to be so disruptive that I don't want it installed anyway |
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| 02:24.51 | themill | Specifically what package are you wanting to get that started you on this? |
| 02:25.41 | jaybe | themill, heh; nod. i fully understand. wanting (recent versions of) nodejs and npm began the chaos. |
| 02:26.08 | themill | ,v nodejs --release wheezy-backports |
| 02:26.10 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1 |
| 02:26.18 | themill | ,checkbackport npm |
| 02:26.21 | judd | Backporting package npm in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: node-glob. |
| 02:26.23 | themill | ,checkbackport node-glob |
| 02:26.24 | judd | Backporting package node-glob in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 02:26.47 | themill | (so build node-glob, install it, build npm, done) |
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| 02:28.54 | drewery | if I am to install debian as server... my options are 7.0 or 6.0 ...is there a reason I should prefer one over another, just trying to spot issues ahead of time. This will be a little learning curve for me as well.. thanks in advance. |
| 02:28.54 | jaybe | that apparently was not enough. there were significantly more. to confirm backporting process... i simply have a deb-src defined for sid in my sources.list. that is the correct approach? .. then `apt-get source -n nodejs` for example? |
| 02:29.12 | themill | jaybe: nodejs is already backported though |
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| 02:29.46 | jaybe | themill, am i missing a concept/step in order to take advantage of already-backported packages? |
| 02:29.48 | dvs | drewery: support for 6.0 will run out in 3 months |
| 02:29.57 | themill | dpkg: tell jaybe about wheezy-backports |
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| 02:31.21 | jaybe | themill, ah; i see. i recall that now. i believe, at the time, i chose to use the sid branch because i wanted/needed much more recent versions of certain packages. |
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| 02:32.06 | drewery | dvs: meaning go with 7 :) thanks! |
| 02:32.15 | viscera | drewery, "higher is better" --bill gates |
| 02:32.15 | themill | there's not much difference between the nodejs versions in wheezy-backports and sid; those differences may be significant to you (I don't know), but backporting nodejs is just one additional step in that chain |
| 02:32.16 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:33.07 | jaybe | themill, via sid: nodejs Installed: 0.10.25~dfsg2-2 |
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| 02:33.52 | themill | backported, not directly installed, I hope. |
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| 02:35.01 | jaybe | themill, yes; source -b |
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| 02:35.46 | ScyllaBus | Just installed debian on my Acer Aspire V5-472-6893 laptop. After grub launches and I chose to start debian, the screen goes black. Though after waiting a while I can toggle my sound via my function keys and I can hear the sound coming from the OS, so its clearly loaded I just can't see it. |
| 02:36.29 | tylerjd | ScyllaBus: do you have an Nvidia GPU in there? |
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| 02:36.56 | ScyllaBus | Intel HD 4000 |
| 02:37.52 | tylerjd | Hmm. Thought it might be a bug I contiue to see with Nvidia-only gpus, but with an Intel HD 4000, it should work. I assume you are using the latest Debian release? |
| 02:37.57 | ScyllaBus | The same thing happened when I installed LinuxMint. The fix for that was to use a parameter "nomodeset" and I was able to see my OS, however I got a message on my desktop saying it was in software rendering mode and that a huge chunk of my CPU would be used. |
| 02:38.01 | ScyllaBus | Yes, 7.07 wheezy. |
| 02:38.43 | ScyllaBus | In this case, I have no idea how to use "nomodeset" as I'm not sure how to set that argument via this grub menu. I also would not like to have it in software rendering mode either. |
| 02:39.57 | tylerjd | You may have to do it temporarily, but let's see if we can get it fixed without having to do that. On the #! forum I came accross this thread ( http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=27404 ). #! is a decendent of debian |
| 02:40.15 | drewery | viscera: bill is a smart guy. really. however I am not a windows guy. yet, I think windows XP was the best windows I have ever put my hands on to. Tested 8.1 on virtual machine, I am wondering how is the UX designer behind the interface... i think it is interesting.. (however not practical)... |
| 02:40.19 | dvs | ScyllaBus: 7.07 isn't a Wheezy release. |
| 02:40.47 | drewery | .. that being said... at its core windows don't and with this mentality and fundamentals won't offer anything EFFICIENT . PERIOD. |
| 02:40.57 | themill | wrong channel? |
| 02:41.20 | tylerjd | so to change grub options, you can either do it when grub loads when you boot, or change it more permanently in /etc/default/grub and grub-update it |
| 02:41.21 | drewery | yeah viscera wrong channel to mention dude :\ |
| 02:41.50 | tylerjd | ScyllaBus: that would be in the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
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| 02:42.02 | viscera | drewery, it was for the lulz |
| 02:42.29 | drewery | so is mine see this :\ |
| 02:42.30 | drewery | :) |
| 02:42.43 | ScyllaBus | what about in the grub loader itself |
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| 02:42.48 | drewery | anyways we all got the point, all the lulz but themill :\ |
| 02:43.01 | ScyllaBus | I pressed 'e' on my grub loader and it brought me to a page where it starts off with |
| 02:43.12 | drewery | good olde grub-loader |
| 02:43.14 | drewery | ok I am out |
| 02:43.17 | ScyllaBus | setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64' |
| 02:43.33 | ScyllaBus | where would I put "nomodeset" in here? |
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| 02:43.45 | tylerjd | Yep, and at the end of the line that has "quiet" in it, add acpi_osi=Linux and see if that works |
| 02:43.51 | tylerjd | It would work better than nomodeset |
| 02:43.58 | tylerjd | nomodeset is like a last resort |
| 02:44.48 | tylerjd | But if the acpi_osi doesn't work, we may need to use the nomodeset for the time being, and get the intel graphics drivers installed to get it working without nomodeset |
| 02:45.40 | ScyllaBus | Hmm acpi_osi=Linux didn't work still black screen. Trying nomodeset |
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| 02:46.36 | ScyllaBus | nomodeset worked. "GNOME 3" failed though I'm guessing because of that parameter. |
| 02:46.45 | ScyllaBus | Not sure what to do at this point. |
| 02:46.52 | ScyllaBus | It's the same thing I had for linux mint. |
| 02:47.15 | tylerjd | Alright, hold on a moment, I am seeing if there is an easy way to install the intel graphics without having to compile them |
| 02:47.58 | dvs | Where's abrotman when you need him? |
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| 02:49.49 | tylerjd | Annd now chrome is saying I am being MITM attacked. Dammit NSA |
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| 02:52.01 | tylerjd | ScyllaBus: well here is the Intel d/l site. You could try the Ubuntu downloads but iirc they don't work on debian, so you may have to compile from source https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-graphics-installer-1.0.3-linux |
| 02:52.23 | ScyllaBus | hmm I'm guessing that would also work on linux mint as well? |
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| 02:53.00 | tylerjd | It should. It *may* work better on mint because iirc that is a ubuntu derivative |
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| 02:59.04 | Rancebook | Does anyone know if debian.linuxmint.com died? |
| 02:59.15 | Rancebook | I'm having trouble getting my LMDE to update. |
| 02:59.23 | viscera | !mint |
| 02:59.24 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 02:59.29 | Rancebook | I see. |
| 02:59.37 | drewery | and also... |
| 02:59.50 | drewery | debian 7 uses the kernel of FreeBSD is that correct? |
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| 03:00.14 | tylerjd | It can. But you have to download the kFreeBSD release of Debian |
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| 03:01.43 | drewery | then on a server installation I choose from a hosting panel, what do you think the kernel most likely be? any guesses from the top of your head? |
| 03:01.51 | centrx | drewery, Debian has been ported to the FreeBSD kernel. That port is called kfreebsd. I do not think it is a released port except as a "technology preview". |
| 03:01.53 | centrx | drewery, The Linux kernel. |
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| 03:02.13 | drewery | I was wondering... thank you ! |
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| 03:03.06 | drewery | and I hope they release that port :D |
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| 03:03.57 | tylerjd | Yeah, it would sure be nice with ZFS and all |
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| 03:05.17 | drewery | yup ZFS the undestructable :\ |
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| 03:27.39 | nourno | can Debian runs on any of the smart phone model? |
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| 03:28.24 | jaybe | themill, yah - i should have just used the wheezy backport version. that was painful. ;) (but installed, working, and modern) |
| 03:28.28 | jaybe | themill, thanks for your help |
| 03:29.08 | centrx | nourno, Debian can run on ARM devices, which is the usual CPU for smart phones |
| 03:30.11 | seeker61 | jaybe: i am trying to decide if i want to go to wheezy from squeeze any advice or shared gained wisdom? |
| 03:30.19 | centrx | nourno, There is a lot of information on Debian running on smart phone in the first Google search result on the subject. |
| 03:30.51 | jaybe | seeker61, wheezy is (and has been for a while) the current stable. and squeeze is shortly going to be deprecated. so... ;) |
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| 03:32.03 | dvs | seeker61: support for squeeze will run out in 3 months. |
| 03:32.06 | centrx | seeker61, I am curious because we see this question often. Why would you think to use the older release? |
| 03:32.08 | seeker61 | jaybe: so you say use the backport version is there a step by step somewhere so I do not have to endure the pain |
| 03:32.32 | jaybe | seeker61, endure pain.. of what? |
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| 03:32.57 | nourno | centrx: yeh, the first thing to consider is the processor. Next is the storage to hold the OS. Which version of Debian is being used? I m looking up for more on Google. |
| 03:32.57 | jaybe | seeker61, are you currently using squeeze? ... and you are contemplating dist-upgrade'ing? or are you consider a new installation with wheezy? |
| 03:33.05 | seeker61 | jaybe: you said you should have used the backport version that was painful |
| 03:33.14 | dvs | jaybe: some past upgrades have been a pain in the butt. |
| 03:33.24 | jaybe | seeker61, we were discussing very different from what i believe you are discussing/asking now |
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| 03:34.11 | seeker61 | jaybe: oo ok so if i do dist-upgrade it will automatic upgrade to wheezy without affecting my files |
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| 03:34.43 | jaybe | seeker61, i won't answer that; do your homework and research. and clone/backup, etc. beware and be wise. |
| 03:35.09 | dvs | and read the release notes! |
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| 03:35.12 | jaybe | seeker61, to answer your question basically, 'dist-upgrade' is the parameter to do an upgrade between distributions, ets |
| 03:35.20 | nourno | centrx: I will go chat on #debian-smartphone. |
| 03:36.06 | seeker61 | jaybe: ok thanks |
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| 03:36.37 | zykotick9 | jaybe: dist-upgrade = full-upgrade, meaning install new packages or remove packages when necessary. seeker61 |
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| 03:37.06 | nourno | that's a dead IRC. |
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| 03:37.34 | nourno | any IRC for debian on smartphone? |
| 03:37.38 | zykotick9 | nourno: are you trying on oftc? |
| 03:38.06 | nourno | zykotick9: what'softc? |
| 03:38.10 | centrx | nourno, It's #debian-mobile on OFTC, but it will probably not have much activity at this time |
| 03:38.29 | centrx | www.google.com/search?q=OFTC |
| 03:38.29 | zykotick9 | nourno: never mind see centrx above |
| 03:38.38 | centrx | time of day |
| 03:38.49 | nourno | what's OFTC? I a on freenode. |
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| 03:39.58 | zykotick9 | !tell nourno about oftc |
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| 03:41.31 | nourno | thks. #debian-smartphone was mentioned on a debian maillist . |
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| 03:41.55 | nourno | reading wikipage on the matter. |
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| 03:46.41 | zh1 | whats the best package for vpn on debian, network-manager-pptp? |
| 03:47.34 | jrock20041 | zh1: I use openconnect |
| 03:48.04 | jrock20041 | Its the open source version of cisco anyconnect |
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| 03:48.55 | zh1 | is it the best one i should use? |
| 03:49.24 | jrock20041 | Are you connecting to a cisco vpn? |
| 03:49.57 | zh1 | no |
| 03:50.24 | centrx | zh1, It sort of depends on what kind of VPN you are connecting to |
| 03:54.23 | zh1 | its on server need client to it |
| 03:54.57 | zh1 | pptp |
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| 03:58.33 | zh1 | this one https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/network-manager-pptp-gnome ? |
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| 04:01.40 | centrx | zh1, I guess, yeah, seems reasonable |
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| 04:01.55 | centrx | zh1, There is also pptp-linux, which I assume is command-line |
| 04:04.34 | zh1 | yes |
| 04:04.40 | zh1 | i checked that one too |
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| 04:14.03 | shawn\ | where can i find statistics of the number of packages available for each archetecture |
| 04:15.18 | centrx | shawn\, The number of packages should be about the same for each released architecture |
| 04:15.54 | shawn\ | is arm for cortex a8? or is that armel |
| 04:16.06 | shawn\ | i thought it was supposed to be called armhf |
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| 04:18.06 | zh1 | when connecting pptp vpn it says service failed to start do i need any activation or is packages missing? |
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| 04:18.40 | centrx | shawn\, There is an armhf port as well |
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| 04:28.52 | tx0h | hello, i hope you can help me on this one: when i halt a qemu-kvm guest it seems the kernel didn't free the complete memory (it keeps about 500MB in use (monitored with top)). can that be? (self-build 3.13.3 kernel) |
| 04:31.13 | centrx | !free ram |
| 04:31.13 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 04:31.53 | centrx | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 04:34.58 | tx0h | ok, `echo 3 | tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches` does the trick |
| 04:35.00 | tx0h | ty |
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| 04:38.28 | EricaCat | http://mixlr.com/thegeeksofretro/ |
| 04:38.29 | EricaCat | Hey everyone Tonights topic is cars/ shows/ events etc. Check us out live Featuring Renjimus Prime and The Doctor |
| 04:38.46 | cafuego | well done |
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| 04:54.03 | Miesco_ | Anyone know what music player this guy has? http://youtu.be/oMnfT2B_cKs |
| 04:54.57 | centrx | Might be xmms |
| 04:55.02 | centrx | xmms certainly looks like that |
| 04:55.25 | centrx | Actually, it says it's Audacious |
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| 04:56.16 | LtL | with the xmms skin i think |
| 04:56.49 | LtL | looks just like mine, audacious, xmms skin |
| 04:57.22 | Miesco_ | K, do you know what desktop applets he uses? |
| 04:57.27 | Miesco_ | and the panel at the bottom |
| 04:58.21 | blastwave | anyone know the trick to setting display resolution ? I have a new HP LD4220tm monitor and the native resolution is 1920x1080 however no matter what I seem to do I only get 1680x1050. Even worse, no GLX extensions ! |
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| 04:59.08 | blastwave | also this is Debian 7.4 thus Linux orcus 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:59.08 | rmzelnick | Hi I'm following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 04:59.59 | rmzelnick | And when I run apt-cache search g++ I see no g++ for i686 =/ |
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| 05:02.01 | lelo | hey guys... what'd you recommend for desktop, wheezy or jessie? |
| 05:02.15 | centrx | lelo, If you don't know what you are doing, stick with stable. |
| 05:02.15 | blastwave | lelo, wheezy |
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| 05:02.43 | themill | jaybe: no worries -- happy hacking |
| 05:02.46 | blastwave | lelo, even with stable ( wheezy ) you will hit snags and such .. so make your life easy |
| 05:02.59 | lelo | okie dokie :) thank you |
| 05:03.36 | lelo | is there a way to fix the fonts? they seem weird, dont know how to say it better than this |
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| 05:04.17 | blastwave | lelo, that is pretty general comment there ... perhaps you have the same problem I have and your screen resolution isn't native to your monitor |
| 05:04.36 | blastwave | lelo, also .. open up an xterm and run xlsfont -l > font.list |
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| 05:04.46 | lelo | it should be... let me check :) |
| 05:04.48 | lelo | ok, 1 sec |
| 05:05.10 | blastwave | lelo, do this xlsfonts -l > /tmp/font.list |
| 05:06.04 | lelo | blastwave: do you want the list? I've just installed debian, so it should be as default as it gets |
| 05:06.10 | rmzelnick | any ideas? |
| 05:06.11 | blastwave | that will render your screen non-responsive for a sec or two .. Xorg goes on a real spin dry session to get the full font list .. then you look in that output file to see all the fonts you have |
| 05:06.24 | blastwave | lelo, no no .. thanks .. I have my own :-) |
| 05:06.57 | rmzelnick | there's not g++-x.y-686-linux-gnu |
| 05:07.14 | blastwave | lelo, you can grep into that file to see things like all the adobe fonts for example : grep "\-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal" /tmp/fpnt.list |
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| 05:07.48 | blastwave | lelo, you can see what fonts are which by using xterm like so : /usr/bin/xterm -fg green -bg black -fn fontname |
| 05:07.57 | blastwave | you get the fontname from that output file |
| 05:08.20 | lelo | blastwave: nice, but... the issue is mostly on chrome |
| 05:08.27 | blastwave | once you see fonts you really like to work with .. well, if you are like me and need lots of xterms open then you make scripts |
| 05:08.28 | lelo | it seems nice on other software |
| 05:08.30 | blastwave | ooooh |
| 05:08.44 | blastwave | chrome ... a weird beast to be true |
| 05:08.50 | blastwave | not sure if I can help much |
| 05:09.08 | blastwave | anything that says AppleWebKit in its description I stay away from :-) |
| 05:09.37 | lelo | hahahaha =D i see :D thanks anyway |
| 05:09.38 | lelo | :D |
| 05:09.59 | blastwave | wish I were more helpful |
| 05:10.13 | lelo | I just found some forum post about it... reading through it :D |
| 05:10.24 | blastwave | I can actually build all of Xorg from sources on Debian but can't get my own desktop resolution sorted out |
| 05:10.51 | blastwave | even worse .. I have a $3200 monitor here with touchscreen ability and no idea how to get that to work |
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| 05:11.17 | lelo | blastwave: who would want touchscreen on their desktops anyways? =p |
| 05:11.34 | tx0h | just hopes that the iceape maintainers wake up, sometime |
| 05:11.41 | blastwave | lelo, well we are working on applications to display intereactive data |
| 05:12.01 | ctmjr | who would pay over 3 grand for a monitor |
| 05:12.12 | blastwave | lelo, so the finance guys can walk up to a display on the wall and just touch it to get up to date bid ask sell and margin prices on stuff |
| 05:12.22 | blastwave | ctmjr, my company |
| 05:12.34 | blastwave | its a slick piece of kit |
| 05:12.37 | lelo | blastwave: that is nice ;) |
| 05:12.44 | blastwave | the HP LD4220tm |
| 05:13.06 | blastwave | part of the spec for the project is .. no Windows |
| 05:13.22 | lelo | nice spec, then :P |
| 05:13.40 | tx0h | i have a wide gamut display for photo raw developement |
| 05:14.04 | blastwave | lelo, just got it out of the box and took hours to get it mounted .. however it is so amazingly bright you can get a tan |
| 05:14.06 | tx0h | and use colord |
| 05:14.30 | blastwave | its for airports and things like that ... high traffic areas .. office hallways |
| 05:14.34 | blastwave | my living room |
| 05:14.49 | blastwave | anyways .. a bit of a bitch to config the resolution |
| 05:15.21 | lelo | blastwave: I can immagine! I cant even look at my TV when using it as a monitor for too long... your eyes get tired |
| 05:16.13 | blastwave | lelo, with the remote I turned the brightness down to 30% and its reasonable |
| 05:16.23 | blastwave | lelo, hell of a lot of heat comes out of the thing also |
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| 05:16.48 | blastwave | anyways .. the issue at the moment is how to set the desktop resolution |
| 05:17.18 | lelo | blastwave: do u own a nvidia or ati card? if so, use their driver utility |
| 05:17.22 | blastwave | xdpyinfo says dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (440x275 millimeters) |
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| 05:18.01 | blastwave | lelo, funny enough I have NVidia Quadro cards in my RHEL workstation but my Debian laptop ( yes a laptop ) has some ATI weirdness |
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| 05:18.45 | tx0h | my laptop has a nvidia 765m |
| 05:18.54 | blastwave | lelo, sorry .. lspci says Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] |
| 05:19.13 | lelo | never used an ATI on Linux systems before |
| 05:19.24 | lelo | dont know how it goes to config it, but I heard it is a pain |
| 05:19.35 | tx0h | ati may work well. even with 3d. |
| 05:19.40 | blastwave | works pretty well with the drivers installed :-) |
| 05:19.43 | tx0h | but i trust in nvidia |
| 05:19.53 | blastwave | yep .. nvidia rocks |
| 05:20.38 | tx0h | on my notebook i use optirun, thats really a good thing to have |
| 05:21.14 | blastwave | well I clearly have some research to do in order to get this thing to display at 1920x1080 |
| 05:22.06 | tx0h | it seems to be a graphics card thing |
| 05:23.30 | blastwave | well the nice folks at ATI are windows nuts who have a cool site that allows you to download a setup.exe file .. nice. real helpful |
| 05:24.28 | tx0h | they also have linux drivers |
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| 05:25.29 | tx0h | http://support.amd.com/de-de/download/desktop?os=Linux+x86 |
| 05:25.37 | tx0h | oops, it's german |
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| 05:26.08 | blastwave | here http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64 |
| 05:26.15 | tx0h | AMD Catalyst Packages |
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| 05:27.07 | tx0h | but it's a zip |
| 05:27.18 | blastwave | well I see a reboot heading my way so I will drop out of here and try these new drivers .. lelo .. good luck with chrome. Sorry I could not be of more help |
| 05:27.22 | tx0h | does it contain a setup.exe? |
| 05:27.45 | tx0h | i use chromium sometimes |
| 05:28.01 | tx0h | it has a better webgl support |
| 05:28.04 | blastwave | baea420f5f8679bbc1548c2ab15a776460c19074afa56431f10b9081c4b06eb0 amd-catalyst-13.12-linux-x86.x86_64.zip |
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| 05:28.15 | blastwave | sorry .. that is the file and sha256 |
| 05:28.53 | Okee | I don't find Okular a satisfactory way to copy text, for pasting into another document. Any other programs I should know about? |
| 05:29.23 | blastwave | pardon me folks |
| 05:29.30 | blastwave | gets ready to install new drivers |
| 05:29.57 | tx0h | okee, i select the text and use the middle mouse button to paste it |
| 05:30.12 | Okee | tx8h> With Okular? |
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| 05:30.22 | tx0h | no, with x11 |
| 05:30.29 | Okee | I am trying to select from a pdf file. |
| 05:30.47 | tx0h | ah, ok. i use evince or xpdf |
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| 05:31.16 | tx0h | okular sounds kdeish |
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| 05:33.12 | Okee | tx0h> I am in the x11 folder, but not sure which file I am searching for. What is the name of the file I can use for copying and pasting? |
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| 05:34.38 | themill | Okee: that would imply the PDF does not have selectable text. |
| 05:34.47 | tx0h | Okee: it's not a program, it's just the way you use copy&paste in x11 environment |
| 05:35.04 | Okee | tx0h> I am afraid you lost me. I am a newbie. |
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| 05:35.50 | tx0h | normaly you select a text with the mouse and paste it with the middle mouse button |
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| 05:36.12 | tx0h | selecting a text with mouse means copy |
| 05:36.32 | tx0h | you could also try xpdf as a pdf reader |
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| 05:37.16 | tx0h | (old fashioned) |
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| 05:41.45 | tx0h | sun is raising, bed time :-) |
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| 05:43.14 | jaami | installed big-cursor package but how to change cursor now? |
| 05:43.27 | jaami | can someone tellme how? |
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| 05:45.03 | rmzelnick | Does anyone knows in which repository is cross-gcc-defaults? |
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| 05:49.09 | jaami | need to increase size of cirsor , please tell me how to do it in terminal? |
| 05:49.16 | jaami | cursor*** |
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| 05:50.41 | zykotick9 | jaami: i'd guess your "in terminal" requirement is gonna make that more difficult... what DE/WM are you using? fyi, i'm no help, haven't done that in years (but always used the DE's mouse settings, if i recall correctly). best of luck. |
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| 05:51.12 | cafuego | type x on the commandline and then hit tab twice to see likely utils |
| 05:52.14 | cafuego | xsetpointer ? |
| 05:52.15 | tx0h | you can change the cursor font with xsetroot |
| 05:52.28 | jaami | ah ok |
| 05:53.02 | themill | also see /usr/share/doc/big-cursor/README.Debian |
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| 05:55.53 | jaami | ok |
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| 05:57.40 | jaami | xsetpointer is to change mouse pointer. |
| 05:57.56 | cafuego | Yeh, use xsetroot like tx0h said. |
| 05:58.10 | tx0h | rmdashrf: all packages should be available with all platforms |
| 05:58.12 | jaami | ok |
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| 06:00.20 | tx0h | rmdashrf: just do a apt-get install g++:i386 |
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| 06:01.26 | centrx | Too bad... |
| 06:01.26 | tx0h | hmm |
| 06:01.51 | tx0h | i disabled the join/left messages in my client |
| 06:01.52 | ice9 | how fast the deb repo get updated with new package versions? |
| 06:02.10 | tx0h | ice9: not fast |
| 06:02.15 | centrx | Depends on how quickly the maintainer packages it. |
| 06:02.23 | zykotick9 | ice9: for stable... basically, never. |
| 06:02.41 | tx0h | i wait forever for a recent iceape version |
| 06:02.55 | cafuego | If you're on stable, never. |
| 06:03.00 | tx0h | also the cinnamon desktop didn't work. |
| 06:03.02 | cafuego | Hah. |
| 06:03.12 | tx0h | and i use experimental! |
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| 06:03.29 | tx0h | ok, unstable/experimental |
| 06:03.47 | centrx | ice9, http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2819 |
| 06:03.51 | ice9 | I use Ubuntu and since updates are too slow I will not make the switch then |
| 06:04.16 | ice9 | but its important to have security updates |
| 06:04.30 | tx0h | because of the maintainance problems of debian i really think to switch over to archlinux |
| 06:04.31 | cafuego | There's nothing stopping you backporting a recent version or running a prebuilt one under /opt or /usr/local somewhere. |
| 06:05.01 | zykotick9 | tx0h: didn't mozilla cancel .... what was the browser/editor/mail thing called? |
| 06:05.50 | cafuego | Netscape Communicator |
| 06:05.58 | tx0h | zykotick9: nope, the recent version of seamonkey is about 2 weeks ago |
| 06:06.35 | tx0h | i switched from mosaic to netscape and since then it is my browser :-) |
| 06:06.45 | tx0h | don't care how it's called |
| 06:06.47 | centrx | Apparently SeaMonkey is semi-independent now, Mozilla provides infrastructure |
| 06:06.48 | jaami | thanks |
| 06:06.50 | zykotick9 | tx0h: sorry, i'm getting my mozilla/ice-equivalants confused... |
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| 06:08.11 | tx0h | it's seamonkey-project.org now |
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| 06:08.58 | Miesco_ | Does anyone know what desktop widget this desktop has? http://youtu.be/oMnfT2B_cKs |
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| 06:09.22 | ice9 | centrx: so only security vulenrabilities get announced fast? |
| 06:09.26 | zykotick9 | ice9: stable gets security updates quickly, just never (or almost never) version updates |
| 06:09.30 | tx0h | i'm pretty loyal, use this software since maybe 19 years now |
| 06:10.05 | ice9 | zykotick9: security updates for kernel only or apps too? |
| 06:10.18 | zykotick9 | ice9: apps too |
| 06:10.22 | centrx | ice9, The stable distribution is designed to be "stable", so that functionality does not change. Updates between major releases are for security or data integrity issues. |
| 06:10.39 | centrx | ice9, All ~40,000 packages in the Debian repository have security support for the stable release. |
| 06:11.33 | centrx | ice9, You can also use backports or testing/unstable for quicker package upgrades. |
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| 06:11.59 | ice9 | cool |
| 06:12.05 | tx0h | but even unstable didn't get updates - and if they get them you have dependency problems (The following packages have been kept back: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 421 not upgraded.) |
| 06:12.09 | ice9 | and how often dose Debian make a release? |
| 06:12.17 | centrx | Miesco_, I don't know, but it might be "gkrellm" |
| 06:12.31 | centrx | tx0h, What are you referring to? |
| 06:12.58 | tx0h | centrx: unstable |
| 06:13.06 | centrx | ice9, Stable releases are typically about every two years |
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| 06:13.41 | centrx | tx0h, unstable gets updates. It does depend on when the package manager packages it. This is true for any distribution. Sometimes your package will get in Debian faster than other distributions, sometimes it will be slower. |
| 06:13.48 | tx0h | centrx: to get these 421 packages upgraded i need to solve the dependencies manualy :-( |
| 06:13.56 | centrx | tx0h, Why do you think that? |
| 06:14.14 | centrx | tx0h, Have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:14.22 | nearst | :D |
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| 06:14.49 | ice9 | centrx: oh that's too long to have the same functionanlity :D |
| 06:15.01 | tx0h | centrx: well, not since several years. i always use apt-get upgrade. let's try |
| 06:15.09 | zykotick9 | !tell ice9 about sns |
| 06:15.29 | nearst | sns ? |
| 06:15.45 | zykotick9 | nearst: try "/msg dpkg sns" |
| 06:15.46 | tx0h | that seems to do the trick, how could i forget it |
| 06:15.52 | centrx | ice9, Backports has more frequent updates. Personally, I use testing. |
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| 06:16.26 | ice9 | centrx: do you face many issues when upgrading from the backports? |
| 06:17.00 | centrx | ice9, Backports are quite problem-free |
| 06:17.07 | nearst | ow zykotick9 :D |
| 06:17.30 | nearst | why not use sid ? |
| 06:17.44 | zykotick9 | nearst: 'cause sid breaks toys ;) |
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| 06:18.40 | centrx | ice9, What software are you thinking about that you need more frequent updates for? |
| 06:20.00 | tx0h | ice9: say iceape |
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| 06:20.18 | nearst | yea. ima just playing with kfreebsd lately. following em since early day |
| 06:20.26 | tx0h | in the last 10 years it got one update |
| 06:21.56 | ice9 | centrx: say Chromium/Firefox |
| 06:22.19 | tx0h | same maintainer, afaik |
| 06:22.37 | zykotick9 | ice9: fyi, in debian firefox is called iceweasel |
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| 06:22.49 | tx0h | he prefers to work on the ubuntu packages |
| 06:22.56 | ice9 | zykotick9: okay :D but why? |
| 06:22.57 | zykotick9 | ice9: and updated versions of iceweasel are available from mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:23.09 | zykotick9 | !tell ice9 about why iceweasel |
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| 06:23.20 | centrx | ice9, In practice, the web browsers are updated frequently, because of security issues. There is also mozilla.debian.net which has the latest versions. |
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| 06:24.42 | centrx | ice9, For example, the version of Chromium in wheezy right now was released in January. The version of Firefox is the extended support release that was originally released in September '13, and updated in December |
| 06:25.29 | ice9 | what's the default desktop environment? |
| 06:25.34 | tx0h | the good thing with debian is, that i rarely need to install perl packages via cpan :-) |
| 06:25.51 | centrx | err February actually for Firefox |
| 06:26.14 | centrx | ice9, The default is Gnome. KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc. are also available. |
| 06:26.23 | zykotick9 | ice9: if you use netinst (which i'd recommend) which ever DE/WM you want. gnome3 for regular cd1/dvd1 |
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| 06:26.33 | tx0h | cinnamon seems to be broken |
| 06:26.50 | tx0h | unfortunately |
| 06:27.49 | ice9 | I hope that some people design a totally new DE from scratch because I don't like Gnome or KDE and their derivatives since specially gnome shell |
| 06:28.24 | tx0h | ice9: cinnamon is old style gnome |
| 06:28.35 | tx0h | (more or less) |
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| 06:29.23 | ice9 | does debain modify the default conf for apps like Apache etc.. |
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| 06:29.31 | zykotick9 | has gone old-school (WM only: fluxbox -> awesome -> dwm) since gnome3 came out... |
| 06:30.01 | tx0h | zykotick9: check uwm :-) |
| 06:30.49 | zykotick9 | tx0h: thanks, but that's not in default wheezy, so i'll pass |
| 06:30.59 | ice9 | zykotick9: i3 is great |
| 06:31.19 | tx0h | zykotick9: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager |
| 06:31.21 | zykotick9 | ice9: i tried it for a short time... i should probably give it another shot actually |
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| 06:31.45 | peaches | teach me your ways |
| 06:31.55 | peaches | is there a reason why people use ubuntu over debian? |
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| 06:33.46 | tx0h | it hasn't that tight policies and the repository is sometimes ahead |
| 06:33.52 | zykotick9 | tx0h: uwm, that's older-school (even compared to dwm) |
| 06:34.26 | tx0h | zykotick9: it was my favorite on interactive unix (i386 box) |
| 06:34.51 | changeguy | whats a good light program to use like paint in ms. I just want to cut and paste an image |
| 06:34.55 | tx0h | twm was so heavy |
| 06:35.06 | tx0h | mypaint |
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| 06:35.19 | tx0h | oh, gimp |
| 06:35.48 | tx0h | copy&paste images with gimp or imagemagic |
| 06:35.51 | centrx | gimp is not very light :) |
| 06:36.08 | centrx | There is "xpaint" |
| 06:36.15 | tx0h | to paint use mypaint |
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| 06:37.48 | ice9 | does the debian installer has full disk encryption option or encrypted lvm? |
| 06:38.00 | zykotick9 | ice9: YES :) |
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| 06:38.41 | ice9 | are there any special optimizations in the kernel? |
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| 06:40.07 | tx0h | i use cryptoloop disk images for private data |
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| 06:40.23 | zykotick9 | encrypted lvm FTW ;) |
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| 06:43.42 | tx0h | how could one spend billions for a xmpp service? |
| 06:43.52 | tx0h | shrugs |
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| 06:57.04 | DANtheBEASTman | I backported vim 7.4 from source but apt always wants to overwrite it with the binary in the repos, how do I stop this? |
| 06:57.42 | cafuego | Make the generation on your version string higher, that'll teach it. |
| 06:58.11 | centrx | DANtheBEASTman, Use apt-get source -b from testing/unstable, to build a Debian package of vim built for wheezy |
| 06:58.28 | DANtheBEASTman | lol, it should be 7.4, I don't understand why it wants to 'upgrade' to 7.3/ centrx that's what I did |
| 06:58.37 | centrx | hmm |
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| 06:58.53 | cafuego | DANtheBEASTman: It currently has a generation of 2 (see the version is 2:7.3....) |
| 06:59.21 | cafuego | DANtheBEASTman: If yours doesn't have that leading number, even 2:0.0.1 would be higher. |
| 07:00.10 | DANtheBEASTman | though I think I went the more manual route of `apt-get source <packge>=<version && dpkg-buildpackage` or whatever |
| 07:00.11 | cafuego | DANtheBEASTman: So if you edit the version in your changelog and prepend 2:, then regenerate the packages, you should be good. |
| 07:00.12 | DANtheBEASTman | cafuego: thanks I never understood that leading 2: .. is there a doc page to learn more about these 'generations' ? |
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| 07:00.28 | cafuego | DANtheBEASTman: I expect that there are docs, yes :-) |
| 07:00.37 | cafuego | probably in the packaging manual |
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| 07:07.32 | DANtheBEASTman | thanks guys |
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| 07:45.35 | MrHeisenberg | hello, how can i reinstall ssh-server with default config? |
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| 07:48.03 | MrHeisenberg | apt-get --purge remove ssh and apt-get install ssh kept the old config. moving /etd/ssh and reinstall ssh did not work either |
| 07:49.13 | centrx | weird |
| 07:49.14 | berarma | MrHeisenberg: why not? |
| 07:49.30 | MrHeisenberg | berarma: i don't know |
| 07:49.31 | centrx | If you actually moved the config file, it installs the default config... |
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| 07:49.48 | centrx | MrHeisenberg, Are you sure your config is not coming from your home directory, ~/.ssh |
| 07:50.10 | MrHeisenberg | centrx: yes, the dir ~/.ssh doesn't exist |
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| 07:50.24 | berarma | MrHeisenberg: I think you should know why do you think it hasn't removed your old config |
| 07:50.37 | stojic | ssh is just a virtual package, try doing the same with package openssh-server (if it's openssh that you use). |
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| 07:50.41 | berarma | MrHeisenberg: maybe the old config and the default config are the same |
| 07:51.02 | stojic | I'd guess that the server is still running with old configs? |
| 07:51.03 | zcd | hi i'm having installation troubles with debian netinstall |
| 07:51.15 | zcd | it's saying it can't find the cd drive |
| 07:51.58 | zcd | i suspect that it's because the thinkpad t60 modem isn't recognized, so added the pppconfig, sl-modem daemon, and module assistant packages onto the bootable usb |
| 07:52.04 | zcd | but i can't find them through the shell |
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| 07:52.06 | centrx | MrHeisenberg, Yeah "apt-get --purge remove ssh and apt-get install ssh" is kind of meaningless |
| 07:52.10 | zcd | does anyone know where to look? |
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| 07:53.31 | centrx | zcd, /lib/modules ? |
| 07:54.19 | centrx | nevermind |
| 07:54.29 | zcd | ? |
| 07:54.34 | zcd | in general where would the files be |
| 07:54.47 | zcd | i just dumped them into the usb top level |
| 07:54.59 | centrx | Then they would be at the usb top level? :) |
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| 07:55.12 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.13 | zcd | i don't know where to look in the shell provided by the installer |
| 07:55.15 | zcd | nope |
| 07:55.28 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.34 | zcd | nothing in mnt |
| 07:55.41 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.06 | zcd | looked through the media folders too |
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| 07:56.16 | zcd | on a side note, do you know where i can find cd drivers for lenovo t60? |
| 07:56.28 | zcd | thinkpad** |
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| 07:57.33 | centrx | I would think they would already be available, since the T60 is old and CD drivers are pretty generic? |
| 07:58.27 | zcd | that's what i thought too |
| 07:58.34 | zcd | but theyre surprisingly elusive |
| 07:58.40 | zcd | linux versions at least |
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| 07:59.26 | maxyz | zcd: Why would the modem be involved? |
| 07:59.28 | centrx | zcd, If it is a special driver it might be in "firmware-linux-nonfree" or other packages with similar names |
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| 08:00.47 | zcd | centrx: thanks, i'll look for that |
| 08:01.14 | maxyz | zcd: Anyway, is there any reason not to continue the installation from the usb? |
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| 08:01.27 | zcd | maxyz: i suspect it's because the debian site says that modem only works on proprietary drivers |
| 08:01.35 | zcd | so it's not included in the default netinst |
| 08:01.41 | zcd | and so the isntaller is looking for a cd instead |
| 08:02.03 | zcd | i'm downloading the version with nonfree drivers included so we'll see what happens then |
| 08:02.14 | zcd | usb installation is still idea :) |
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| 08:02.17 | zcd | ideal |
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| 08:03.51 | maxyz | It should be simple enough, I think that the tricky part is to name the cd1.iso as debian.iso in the root of the usb drive |
| 08:04.46 | zcd | what do you mean? |
| 08:04.58 | zcd | i'm just using the pendrive thing |
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| 08:09.16 | maxyz | I was refering to the method described here "the flexible way" https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 08:29.04 | themartianist | hello does anyone here know why when i try to install debian to a live usb it says "missing operating system" when i try to boot from it? |
| 08:31.14 | towo` | themartianist, "missing operating system" is a bios message, in most cases, if the partition has no bootflag |
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| 08:31.31 | themartianist | ok |
| 08:31.36 | themartianist | but what do i do? |
| 08:31.48 | abcd593 | Hi, how can I 1) block all images/videos/flash/etc. from the web? 2) generate on the fly transparent image with the size of the blocked image and place it on its place, so the structure of the website remains the same 3) make exception for certain sites 4) lock it, so only the root can change all this? Thank you very much. |
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| 08:32.02 | towo` | themartianist, set the bootflag? |
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| 08:33.41 | themartianist | so this isn't an error with the usb or the debian iso file i downloaded? |
| 08:33.42 | mepl | scp -P 3972 -r /var/git/ gitsync@localhost:/git/repo sends the folder git, can I send its content only so I do not get /git/repo/git path on source? |
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| 08:34.08 | berarma | would installing Debian to a usb just work? |
| 08:34.25 | tyll_ | Hi, https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian contains dead links to https://wiki.debian.org/CreateDummyPackage and https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Files - where should they links point to instead? |
| 08:34.35 | themartianist | i actaully used to have tails on this usb |
| 08:34.51 | themartianist | decided i wanted to play around with debian |
| 08:35.16 | themartianist | never had the "missing operating system" error when tails was on it |
| 08:35.38 | berarma | tyll_: I don't know but the dead links might mean the pages are to be created |
| 08:35.56 | themartianist | towo`: so should i reinstall this debian iso i have and try to set the bootflag and see what happens |
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| 08:36.04 | themartianist | i've never set the bootflag before |
| 08:36.13 | themartianist | don't even really know what that means... |
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| 08:37.13 | abcd593 | Is there a tool that blocks visual content and is lockable by root? |
| 08:37.30 | abcd593 | web content |
| 08:37.34 | berarma | !tell themartianist -about live |
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| 08:37.49 | berarma | themartianist: might be this what you want? ^^^ |
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| 08:38.21 | berarma | abcd593: do you want a web proxy? |
| 08:38.33 | abcd593 | whatever works |
| 08:38.59 | berarma | mepl: I think there's no exclude parameter in scp, you may do a tarball or use rsync instead |
| 08:39.52 | berarma | abcd593: look for web proxy in the repos |
| 08:40.52 | abcd593 | berarma: do you know one that can do all the 4 points mentioned above? especially #2? |
| 08:41.01 | tyll_ | berarma: hm, thx, it is kind of strange, there seem to be two wiki pages with the same intention: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian and https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging - the latter has working link to a tutorial to create an empty package |
| 08:41.03 | themartianist | berama, i downloaded an image of debian live |
| 08:41.06 | berarma | abcd593: please, don't cross post |
| 08:41.09 | themartianist | thats what the problem is |
| 08:41.14 | themartianist | it doesn't work |
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| 08:45.08 | themartianist | anyone else have a clue lhy a live image installed to a usb would say "missing operating system" when booting? |
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| 08:55.14 | budai | themartianist: perhaps boot from usb isn't enabled in the bios? |
| 08:55.27 | themartianist | yes it is |
| 08:55.35 | themartianist | i have it set as the first option |
| 08:55.54 | themartianist | i used to have tails installed on this same usb and it always booted fine |
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| 08:58.12 | PapaSierra | how it is possible that chmod on a dir has no effect? |
| 08:58.35 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: what exactly are you trying? |
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| 08:59.00 | themartianist | Might anyone else here know why when i try to install debian to a live usb it says "missing operating system" when i try to boot from it? |
| 08:59.28 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: so i have a dir like /home/me/application/cache, so i did "chmod 777 -R /home/me/application/cache" and it completes with no error, but then the mode is still 644 |
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| 09:00.13 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: and i'm logged in as the user who owns the dir |
| 09:00.51 | ruien | themartianist: what are you using to put it on the live USB? Unetbootin? |
| 09:01.03 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: please don't invent anything. show the real names and the real information please. |
| 09:01.41 | themartianist | I tried Unetbootin AND Linux Live USB |
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| 09:01.56 | themartianist | I have used this USB stick for tails and it was able to boot tails fine |
| 09:02.27 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: the dir is /home/vagrant/so/application/cache |
| 09:02.31 | ruien | huh. I've never had a problem with unetbootin, for debian or ubuntu, on any of my machines. |
| 09:02.41 | themartianist | i don't get it either |
| 09:02.53 | themartianist | I have the worst luck with linux |
| 09:03.10 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: and you're trying to change the permission on the cache folder? |
| 09:03.14 | themartianist | linux users make fun of me for using windows... but every time i try to do anything with linux it performs like total shit |
| 09:03.16 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: yes |
| 09:03.25 | bezaban | many have sporadic errors with unetbootin, it is notoriously unstable. Personally I have had good luck with it though |
| 09:03.26 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: and only on the cache folder. |
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| 09:04.02 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: the cache folder and i guess anything in it. basically it needs to be read/writeable by the web server user |
| 09:04.20 | ruien | themartianist: hardware can be fickle. Because I know i'll be using linux, I do make an effort to buy hardware that works well with linux, and appreciate (and reward) vendors/brands who care about me. |
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| 09:04.59 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: i'd suggest different solutions for that. but that leads too far now i guess. can you please change into the application folder containing the cache folder and do "chmod -v 777 cache" please? |
| 09:05.00 | bezaban | themartianist: use whatever you feel the most comfortable with |
| 09:05.11 | themartianist | again... i'm using a 16gb sandisk... it had tails on it... tails is a linux OS |
| 09:05.14 | themartianist | it worked with that |
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| 09:05.44 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: result: mode of 'cache' changed from 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) to 0777 (rwxrwxrwx) |
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| 09:06.08 | bezaban | if you're using linux to stop people from making fun of you it's probably the wrong motivation ;) |
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| 09:06.22 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: so this is what you wanted, right? |
| 09:06.29 | themartianist | hahaah |
| 09:06.33 | themartianist | that is not my motivation |
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| 09:06.36 | themartianist | trust e |
| 09:06.41 | themartianist | trust me* |
| 09:06.43 | ruien | themartianist: maybe tails used a different grub version? I assume you installed it the same way (unetbootin / linux live CD etc) |
| 09:07.14 | PapaSierra | bhuddah: yes, perfect. except that when i then do ls -l i can see the no change has taken effect. it is still "drwxr-xr-x 1 vagrant vagrant 102 Feb 21 07:25 cache" |
| 09:07.16 | themartianist | my motivation this time around is Hyperboria |
| 09:07.19 | neo1691 | I need a little help with dkms. What does it means if dkms status have this in its output? (WARNING! Diff between built and installed module!) |
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| 09:07.45 | bhuddah | PapaSierra: congrats. you broke your system ^^. no idea then. |
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| 09:08.10 | PapaSierra | strange. just a pure out of the box system on a vm with chef |
| 09:08.43 | bezaban | maybe vagrant enforces some mode on it's files or a SElinux/grsec policy prevents it? |
| 09:09.16 | bezaban | nonetheless 777 on anything is a bad idea |
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| 09:09.37 | PapaSierra | bezaban: interesting idea. but i've done this many times on previous vms with no problem (unless they changed something in vgrant/chef) |
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| 09:09.56 | bezaban | PapaSierra: is the drive local or mounted from somewhere? |
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| 09:10.03 | PapaSierra | sure, so i need to make cache/ and logs/ writable. |
| 09:10.15 | PapaSierra | bezaban: it's mounted by vagrant |
| 09:10.20 | PapaSierra | well, virtual box |
| 09:10.28 | bezaban | over the network? |
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| 09:11.24 | PapaSierra | bezaban: hmm... locally, i.e. it's a guest vm on my host machine. it shares the network though, but i don't think that's what you're asking |
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| 09:11.48 | bezaban | wondering if it is a network mounted drive, in which case you could check the mount options |
| 09:11.56 | bezaban | but doesn't sound like it :) |
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| 09:12.15 | berarma | themartianist: can you try this: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#record-unix |
| 09:12.28 | PapaSierra | bezaban: this looks interesting http://stackoverflow.com/a/19024922/2694806 |
| 09:12.29 | bezaban | PapaSierra: try as root and/or strace the process |
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| 09:12.50 | berarma | themartianist: go directly to this now instead: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#write-usb |
| 09:12.57 | neo1691 | How to know what modules are present in kernel which were installed via dkms |
| 09:13.00 | bezaban | PapaSierra: also, sorry, but I've got to run, got work to do :/ |
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| 09:13.21 | PapaSierra | sure, thanks very much bezaban |
| 09:13.22 | bezaban | good luck |
| 09:13.30 | PapaSierra | ty |
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| 09:29.58 | Kroosec | Anyone knows why Debian's oval definitions are empty for last years ? https://www.debian.org/security/oval/ |
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| 09:30.34 | wm4 | is there any repo for installing the qt5 sdk? |
| 09:32.06 | pikaro | debian offers a lot of packages that are named like python-cherrypy / python3-cherrypy / python-cherrypy3. what is the difference between these? I suppose the first one if for 2.x and the second for 3.x, but what's the third? and which one should I install if my machine has both 2.x and 3.x? |
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| 09:33.07 | nkuttler | ,v qt5-sdk |
| 09:33.08 | judd | Package: qt5-sdk on i386 -- experimental: 3 |
| 09:33.11 | nkuttler | wm4: ^^ |
| 09:33.23 | wm4 | nkuttler: the experimental package doesn't install |
| 09:33.27 | ruien | pikaro: I think cherrypy2 and cherrypy3 are different, some prefer the older one by remi delon, others prefer the new one by the new maintainer |
| 09:33.31 | nkuttler | wm4: that's not surprising |
| 09:33.41 | wm4 | # apt-get install -t experimental qt5-sdk -> qt5-sdk : Depends: libqt5-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:33.59 | wm4 | (nice error message btw.) |
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| 09:34.13 | xand | wm4: look at the description of each with "apt-cache show packagename" |
| 09:34.17 | xand | sorry |
| 09:34.19 | nkuttler | wm4: what you could do is to try to backport that package yourself.. |
| 09:34.21 | xand | pikaro: that was for you |
| 09:34.22 | pikaro | ruien, oh, ok, so those are all actually from different maintainers? must be a coincidence then that I came over across such a large amount lately. thanks! |
| 09:35.05 | wissam | Hi ,is replcing kdm with lightdm make booting and loading the desktop faster ? http://thedubiousdisc.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/how-i-made-my-solydk-faster/ |
| 09:35.15 | wm4 | nkuttler: sorry, I'm using a distro _because_ I don't have time to install or package everything myself |
| 09:35.16 | ruien | pikaro: yeah, i think python-cherrypy is cherrypy2 for python2.x, python3-cherrypy is cherrypy (2 or 3?) for python3.x, and python-cherrypy3 is cherrypy3 for python2.x |
| 09:35.31 | wissam | I am using solydk |
| 09:35.36 | nkuttler | wm4: well then you get a short answer, no there is no repo to install it |
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| 09:35.59 | nkuttler | !sns |
| 09:35.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 09:36.04 | wm4 | aka debian sucks |
| 09:36.19 | nkuttler | wm4: do you have another Debian question we can help you with? |
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| 09:36.49 | pikaro | xand, usually it just says 'version 3' in the description there. I thought it had something to do with python 3, but it seems like it doesn't. |
| 09:36.51 | wm4 | nkuttler: yes... what is a better alternative distro? |
| 09:37.00 | nkuttler | wm4: go ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:37.13 | berarma | wm4: better go to ##linux |
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| 09:39.17 | wm4 | nkuttler: btw. qt5 is not "shiny" and new |
| 09:39.22 | wm4 | nkuttler: it was released over a year ago |
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| 09:39.46 | berarma | wm4: why keep discussing, you've been given options, move |
| 09:39.49 | wm4 | nkuttler: do you really want programmers to develop against outdated libraries? |
| 09:39.59 | wm4 | berarma: your attitude is harmful |
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| 09:41.13 | ChrisH | wm4: yes. _I_ expect them to stay backwards compatible as productive systems will run stable releases and will not move to new stuff |
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| 09:42.16 | wm4 | "stable" aka abandoned |
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| 09:43.19 | nkuttler | funny. a developer who doesn't want to compile stuff.. |
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| 09:44.09 | berarma | nkuttler: a bleeding edge developer scared about compiling libraries :-) |
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| 09:48.42 | ChrisH | How long does wm4 operate server and/or develop applications? |
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| 09:58.17 | Nachtschatten | My internet browsers (iceweasel and chromium) suddenly stopped finding pages. everything else (Xchat, IceDove, Skype, ...) seems to work fine, though. Does anyone have any idea what causes this? |
| 09:58.52 | cloromorpho | magic elves? |
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| 10:00.26 | viscera | Nachtschatten, proxy settings, firewall |
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| 10:01.39 | Nachtschatten | my browsers don't use proxy, viscera. And I haven't changed anything to the firewall o-o |
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| 10:02.59 | jaggz|3 | I have a dir, usr/share/doc/libjpeg8/ but it doesn't have many files in it (no example.c.gz) |
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| 10:03.25 | jaggz|3 | libjpeg8-dev wasn't installed, so I installed it. dpkg -L libjpeg8-dev shows the file should be there but it's still not.. just these old files from 2012 |
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| 10:07.45 | garone | are there official virtual disk images with Debian installed? |
| 10:08.33 | viscera | i highly doubt that |
| 10:09.01 | ChrisH | Nachtschatten: browsers tend to cache DNS stuff and sometimes behave unexpected. I found that kill -9 is a reasonable way to fix that :) kill -9 will allow the browser to re-open the previuos opened tabs :) |
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| 10:10.49 | tyll_ | When I run pdebuild, does it run debhelper outside the chroot? At least this seems to happen here. Is there a chroot build tool for debian that I can just feed a .orig.tar.gz and a debian directory and it will do everything inside a chroot? |
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| 10:12.46 | overrider_ | Is there anything like a soekris, a router board with ~3 nics and a serial port, with 512M ram? i am looking to build a bunch of routers / appliances but cannot find suitable hardware. The soekris 4801 is too old now |
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| 10:14.32 | jaggz|3 | nevermind, I was looking in the wrong dir (libjpeg8 instead of libjpeg8-dev) |
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| 10:15.14 | tyll_ | overrider_: I would wait for http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm which is due soon |
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| 10:17.29 | overrider_ | Any idea what means soon? Looks good that board |
| 10:18.23 | tyll_ | overrider_: I was told within a month or so, but it was nothing official |
| 10:19.02 | overrider_ | Thanks. |
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| 10:19.11 | overrider_ | Their website is terrible |
| 10:19.43 | overrider_ | Well. Feels ancient anyways. But the apu board looks good. |
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| 10:20.10 | Nachtschatten | so you want me to 'kill -9 process_id_browser' ,ChrisH? |
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| 10:20.49 | ChrisH | Nachtschatten: thats what I do with unfriendly browsers |
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| 10:22.08 | ChrisH | Nachtschatten: check using ps that everything is gone |
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| 10:26.08 | Nachtschatten | tried it, doesn't work =/ Could that actually be the cause that both my browsers don't work? Thanks for the suggestion, ChrisH |
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| 10:31.29 | Nachtschatten | Hmmmn, aptitude doesn't seem to be able to connect either... |
| 10:31.57 | ChrisH | Nachtschatten: try GET http://www.heise.de or curl and ping/ping6 might be something different |
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| 10:40.55 | Nachtschatten | Gah! Apperently it has something to do with my router ChrisH o-o I feel so dumb now |
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| 10:44.56 | ChrisH | Nachtschatten: assume you understand it: Baeume/Wald... you know :) |
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| 10:59.04 | Guest43343 | hello guys I'm working on debian testing and try to delete qdisc for one of my eth iface, what I get is: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory |
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| 10:59.37 | Guest43343 | from what I've read it suppouse to work and corresponding modules are loaded |
| 10:59.46 | Guest43343 | any ideas what might be the issue? |
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| 11:05.54 | mepl | How do I reload resolv.conf` |
| 11:05.55 | mepl | ? |
| 11:06.52 | babilen | mepl: You don't have to. |
| 11:07.09 | mepl | does not seem to work |
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| 11:07.38 | ChrisH | mepl: then nscd is in place |
| 11:07.40 | babilen | mepl: Please be more specific and also test with curl as certain browsers might cache intermediate results |
| 11:07.52 | mepl | nscd does not exist on my system |
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| 11:14.17 | Bugson | any ideas why command: "tc qdisc del dev DEV root" output error: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory |
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| 11:18.58 | AlexPortable | When I do # cat THE_LOG_FILE | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 11:19.07 | AlexPortable | i get a list of ip addresses with a number in front of it, whats the number? |
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| 11:23.51 | berarma | Bugson: I guess you should replace DEV with some device name |
| 11:24.56 | Bugson | berarma: problem solved, I can't delete default queue |
| 11:25.03 | Bugson | I need to create root one |
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| 11:26.01 | lexibq | edsid Bugson |
| 11:26.22 | Bugson | ? |
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| 11:39.48 | MisterE | hey, I'm a little n00b to linux users and perms, I setup a new Deb 7 VM and logged in as root, brought stuff over like network configs and documents from another older VM, then logged out of root and made a standard and admin account |
| 11:40.04 | MisterE | should I add both accounts to sudoers.d? |
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| 11:42.41 | ChrisH | MisterE: depends on your needs. If you ask, I would recommend not to do it until you feel is missing |
| 11:43.01 | ompaul | MisterE: no, su - will get you into root |
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| 11:43.10 | ompaul | if you don't know why don't bother |
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| 11:43.16 | MisterE | I need my files while logged in as non root user |
| 11:43.25 | ompaul | just su - do your job and CTRL D to quit |
| 11:43.26 | MisterE | I usually run as root |
| 11:43.33 | ompaul | MisterE: then you are a fool sir |
| 11:43.40 | ompaul | you do not usually run as root |
| 11:43.40 | MisterE | yes trying to fix that |
| 11:43.48 | ompaul | so create a user |
| 11:43.56 | MisterE | I did standard and admin |
| 11:44.00 | ompaul | call that user mistere or whatever |
| 11:44.01 | MisterE | but it can't do anything |
| 11:44.08 | ompaul | it doesn't have to do anything |
| 11:44.09 | MisterE | assume it needs to be in sudoers |
| 11:44.13 | ompaul | no |
| 11:44.17 | ompaul | in a terminal you do su 0 |
| 11:44.20 | ompaul | in a terminal you do su - |
| 11:44.22 | doublehp_ | how do i blacklist, possibly at boot prompt, the internal drive sda, and the internal cdrom, but NOT the USB memory (that is also using the SCSI stack) ? using /etc/modules sounds too late. |
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| 11:45.04 | MisterE | so how can I get to my files that were copied over as root? |
| 11:45.32 | ompaul | MisterE: copy them as root to your home partition lets say into a folder on your desktop called MyFiles |
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| 11:45.38 | ChrisH | MisterE: man chown / man chmod |
| 11:45.49 | ompaul | then you would chown mistere:mistere MyFiles |
| 11:45.52 | ompaul | as root |
| 11:45.56 | ompaul | and then stop being root |
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| 11:46.01 | MisterE | ahh ok like BSD |
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| 11:46.12 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
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| 11:46.47 | ompaul | doublehp_: perhaps you'd state your actual objective rather than what you are "doing" |
| 11:46.59 | ompaul | doublehp_: i.e. not your methods, but end game should be ... |
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| 11:48.41 | doublehp_ | ompaul: work around a hardware bug that some times disconnect the IDE chipset from the motherboard, inducing kernel issues ... and KP when the / is on internal disk. Dispite using a /on USB, kernel still get messy because of the disconnecting CDrom. I could physically remove the disk and the CD, but before going the hardware way, Iwanna try the soft way. |
| 11:49.00 | doublehp_ | ompaul: unless you have all the tools to fix the missconnexion ... I don't |
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| 11:49.23 | ompaul | doublehp_: get a new box ... that motherboard needs to be avoided ;-) and maybe the disk controller too - idea we haven't seen in a while :) |
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| 11:50.21 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i moved my / on a usb disk ...it's not slower, and it just works. Iwon't change a box just because it has one faulty chip that I can WA easily and for 3€ |
| 11:50.25 | doublehp_ | 3 euros |
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| 11:55.02 | MisterE | ompaul: how do I change the root pass? |
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| 11:55.06 | nabblet | hi, what's the correct way to mount a remote file system (as GUI independent as possible)? make an entry in fstab? |
| 11:55.22 | MisterE | I used a vmware image that already had a pass sset |
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| 11:55.48 | nabblet | MisterE: login as root and then passwd |
| 11:55.57 | MisterE | I got chown and su figured out ty btw! |
| 11:56.00 | MisterE | ty |
| 11:56.01 | nabblet | MisterE: read 'man page' before |
| 11:56.07 | MisterE | yea will do |
| 11:56.12 | nabblet | MisterE: :) |
| 11:56.20 | nabblet | just to be sure ;) |
| 11:56.39 | MisterE | I know this is where everyone messes up |
| 11:56.47 | MisterE | right at this stage :D |
| 11:57.10 | MisterE | know enough to get into trouble not to avoid it |
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| 11:58.07 | nabblet | MisterE: in your case it's not _that_ bad since you can just restart from the image |
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| 11:58.10 | nabblet | but still |
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| 11:59.23 | MisterE | yea/me is becoming a linux addict |
| 11:59.29 | MisterE | more and more I can do |
| 11:59.41 | MisterE | and gnome could go pretty soon too |
| 11:59.45 | MisterE | its annoying |
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| 12:01.47 | x3_iVaN | MisterE: :-D |
| 12:02.20 | MisterE | I gave up on MS years ago but I could see the next comp being Linux with a Win VM |
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| 12:02.52 | MisterE | now it's OS X with several Lin VMs and a Win7 |
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| 12:03.21 | MisterE | anyways, my boss will let me rot away with this post for another 10 years heh |
| 12:03.28 | MisterE | pos* |
| 12:03.34 | viscera | MisterE, /join #debian-offtopic |
| 12:03.44 | MisterE | sorry :/ |
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| 12:04.44 | ompaul | MisterE: you may want one of these http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 12:06.25 | MisterE | ty! |
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| 12:08.00 | sylence | Hello! On my debian laptop all those fonts that are in .pcf or .pcf.gz format can't be displayed. Bitmat fonts are enabled. The fonts (like micro.pcf) show up only in inkscape, nowhere else, and all look the same (i guess that's a placeholder font). Any ideas how to repair that? My primary goal is to get artwiz fonts running, which are in pcf too. |
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| 12:15.57 | Walex | sylence: first thing check what your X font path is with 'xset q | less' |
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| 12:20.13 | sylence | Walex: it seems to be correct: /user/share/fonts/X11/misc,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,built-ins |
| 12:20.25 | sylence | fc-list lists the pcf fonts, too |
| 12:20.35 | mjt | i wonder whenever the font path is still relevant nowadays when almost every client moved to client-side font rendering... |
| 12:21.00 | Walex | sylence: no '/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi' and '/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi' though |
| 12:21.26 | sylence | Walex: i guess i don't have those fonts installed, the dirs are missing |
| 12:21.27 | Walex | sylence: 'fc-list' is for the FontConfig font system. Your problem seems to be with the X11 font system. |
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| 12:21.43 | Walex | sylence: to list the X11 fonts system fonts 'xlsfonts | less' |
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| 12:22.18 | sylence | Walex: my test font, "micro", is listed in xlsfonts :/ |
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| 12:22.33 | Walex | sylence: also in 'fc-list'? |
| 12:22.41 | sylence | Walex: yes, it is |
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| 12:23.20 | sylence | I thought it may only work on certain font sizes, since it's a bitmap font, but it doesn't change on 8, 10 or 12pt |
| 12:24.30 | Walex | sylence: sure, that's what non scalable fonts fo. |
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| 12:30.14 | Walex | sylence: try both 'xterm -fn clean' and 'xterm -fa clean' |
| 12:30.29 | Walex | sylence: also there seems to be some encoding issue |
| 12:30.41 | Walex | sylence: try both 'xterm -fn micro' and 'xterm -fa micro.pcf' |
| 12:31.17 | Walex | the second will tell you there is some encoding issue with 'micro.pcf'. But both cases with 'clean' should work fine. |
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| 12:32.57 | sylence | Walex: xterm -fn clean says "cannot load font 'clean' |
| 12:33.01 | sylence | Walex: xterm -fa clean works |
| 12:33.12 | sylence | Walex: xterm -fn micro seems to work...it displays a very small font |
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| 12:33.28 | sylence | Walex: and xterm -fa clean.pcf says "Selected font has no non-zero width for ISO-8859-1 encoding" |
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| 12:47.08 | DanteLA | Why is package 'povray' in 'non-free'. I see it has source available licensed with GNU Affero general public license |
| 12:47.12 | DanteLA | ? |
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| 12:48.46 | themill | DanteLA: povray isn't in debian at all; the relicensing is quite recent btw |
| 12:49.21 | DanteLA | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/povray |
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| 12:49.41 | babilen | It's in squeeze/non-free and waits in NEW -- https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/povray_1:3.7.0.0-1.html |
| 12:49.54 | DanteLA | I see about the license change, but why is it there if it is not in debian? |
| 12:50.06 | DanteLA | ok |
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| 13:04.33 | nabblet | hi, i mounted a samba share with nautilus... how can i access that mount from command line? |
| 13:04.49 | SirLagz | nabblet: what do you mean access that mount ? |
| 13:05.01 | SirLagz | nabblet: access the files on the samba share ? |
| 13:05.31 | nabblet | SirLagz: well, i did "connect to server" in nautilus. but i don't know where those files get mounted |
| 13:05.41 | SirLagz | nabblet: if you run 'mount' it should tell you |
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| 13:06.49 | nabblet | SirLagz: nope. |
| 13:06.58 | nabblet | SirLagz: nothing new. |
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| 13:08.40 | SirLagz | nabblet: can you paste the output somewhere ? |
| 13:09.06 | gernot | nabblet, I don't think you can unless you use GVFS. |
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| 13:09.19 | nabblet | http://paste.debian.net/83311/ |
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| 13:09.39 | nabblet | SirLagz: ^ |
| 13:10.06 | SirLagz | nabblet: hm ok |
| 13:10.10 | nabblet | gernot: hm, so what secret sauce is nautilus using then? I mean, somewhere it must be mounted, no? |
| 13:10.23 | SirLagz | nabblet: that's what I would have thought so too. |
| 13:10.38 | oakenshield | I'm configuring iptables and it turns out that a required module is missing. Said module is not present in /lib/modules/.../kernel/. How do I install/downlaod modules in debian? Is it possible without having to recomple the entire kernel? |
| 13:10.54 | SirLagz | oakenshield: compile just that one module ? |
| 13:10.59 | SirLagz | oakenshield: are you using a custom kernel ? |
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| 13:11.33 | oakenshield | SirLagz: It's a preinstalled NAS-device, I'd assume it's custom |
| 13:11.38 | SirLagz | oakenshield: ah. |
| 13:11.45 | nabblet | SirLagz: gernot gvfs-mount -l shows it! |
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| 13:12.49 | nabblet | :~$ gvfs-mount -l |
| 13:12.49 | nabblet | Mount(0): XXX on nas.ads.XXXXXX.de -> smb://ADS;XXXXX@nas.ads.XXXXXXX.de/XXXXXXX/ Type: GDaemonMount |
| 13:12.58 | oakenshield | SirLagz: How do I compile modules? Where are they located? |
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| 13:13.51 | DammitJim | does nmap -sS <ip> scan all the tcp ports for that ip address? |
| 13:13.53 | DammitJim | I"m confused |
| 13:14.28 | babilen | oakenshield: They are compiled during the kernel compilation procedure. See http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ for further information. You would, naturally, have to contact your vendor for help with *their* kernel. If the same problem exists in the standard Debian kernel then lets work on that. |
| 13:15.01 | SirLagz | oakenshield: not sure about pre-install NASes |
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| 13:16.13 | oakenshield | babilen: Thanks! |
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| 13:19.09 | oakenshield | Related: Do anybody have experience with simply wiping the installation of a preinstalled device? I.e. starting from fresh? |
| 13:19.32 | oakenshield | or is this a terrible idea ? |
| 13:19.47 | SirLagz | oakenshield: knowing which device would help |
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| 13:20.11 | oakenshield | Oh sorry, WD Mybook Live |
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| 13:20.47 | babilen | oakenshield: It's only a terrible idea if it wouldn't work correctly with a vanilla Debian kernel (or other changes) -- We really don't know, but might be able to figure it out with additional information such as the name of that device. |
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| 13:21.41 | SirLagz | why would copying things to a USB device lag my PS2 mouse =/ |
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| 13:22.13 | oakenshield | babilen: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=280 |
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| 13:29.26 | babilen | oakenshield: http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/mybook-live looks like some bastardized lenny. Can't really support that. |
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| 13:35.03 | oakenshield | babilen: Oh, |
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| 13:35.20 | oakenshield | I'll check that site out, might be some help at least! Thank u |
| 13:35.23 | Brigo | hi, where can i find some help with my new atheros wifi? |
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| 13:50.17 | anisfarhana | Hello everyone. I just installed something on debian 6 via source (tar.gz) without using apt commands. Is it possible for me to completely remove that software, including the packages installed. |
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| 13:50.41 | CissWit | anisfarhana: nothing generic, depends on what the software did to install itself |
| 13:51.21 | anisfarhana | CissWit: They just provided install.sh , when i executed ./install.sh , the script also use apt-get to install the requirements needed. |
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| 14:03.23 | anisfarhana | Ah solved. They provided uninstall.sh and I am not aware about it before. Thanks. |
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| 14:07.23 | doebi | i am using jessie and all works fine, except for the wifi driver |
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| 14:08.04 | doebi | i get 10% packet loss on any network and frequent highpings |
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| 14:09.19 | Nik05 | doebi and with another OS you dont have this? |
| 14:09.29 | Nik05 | isnt it your wifi reciever? |
| 14:09.50 | SirLagz | doebi: sounds like wifi to me. |
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| 14:30.24 | entity | hello, i was hoping i could get my screen's native resolution in a tty |
| 14:30.46 | entity | in grub2, i have GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768x32 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
| 14:30.56 | entity | i also tried GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=0x1f0" |
| 14:31.28 | entity | during boot, the screen flashes briefly but stays in the same ugly 800x600 mode |
| 14:32.06 | entity | i did not forget to run update-grub and have actually verified /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 14:33.50 | entity | also, i actually get the desired 1366x768 resolution in grub |
| 14:34.05 | entity | but when the kernel starts booting, for some reason it will switch the mode to 800x600 |
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| 14:35.59 | fishsponge | hello! here's a question - if I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" from one version of Debian to the next version (i.e. 5-->6 or 6-->7 ), how clean would it be? i.e. I know it leaves stuff behind from the previous version, but does it delete a lot of stuff as well? I know it replaces a lot of files, but does it actually delete old stuff? I know it leaves the previous kernel behind, but what else does it leave behind?? |
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| 14:36.41 | SirLagz | fishsponge: apt-get -u dist-upgrade will tell you what packages it removes |
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| 14:37.14 | jelly | fishsponge: any packages not purged explicitely may leave stuff behind |
| 14:37.34 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so, when I simply run "apt-get dist-upgrade" which takes me from version 6 to version 7, does it actually remove all the previous packages (except the kernel), replace the new ones and install new stuff as well? |
| 14:37.37 | jelly | fishsponge: there's always some cruft, but not too much |
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| 14:38.15 | SirLagz | fishsponge: I don't know your system configuration. It may, or may not. if it's a very slim system it has nothing to remove |
| 14:38.26 | jelly | fishsponge: you don't "simply run dist-upgrade", but follow the release notes |
| 14:38.46 | SirLagz | if you add the -u switch, it will tell you which packages it upgrades, which it removes, etc. you could compare that with the output of dpkg to see what it doesn't touch. |
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| 14:38.55 | nabblet | SirLagz: i decided to go with fstab. Thank you for your help and concern. |
| 14:39.02 | SirLagz | nabblet: no problems |
| 14:39.11 | SirLagz | jelly: Really ? you mean I should read doco ? :D |
| 14:39.36 | jelly | anything else would be loco |
| 14:40.05 | Shuro | fishsponge: my co-worker made a script which shows you all installed packages and its repository, its often after an upgrade that packages are still installed but have no repository anymore |
| 14:40.16 | SirLagz | jelly: haha |
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| 14:40.31 | fishsponge | SirLagz, let's say we do a base install, then install the SSH Server as well. if we then upgrade, does it actually remove all the previous packages (except the kernel), replace the new ones and install new stuff as well? |
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| 14:41.03 | SirLagz | fishsponge: if all you install is SSH Server, chances are there's nothing to remove...it'd be all upgrades |
| 14:41.08 | fishsponge | Shuro, when you uninstall a package, I assume it sometimes leaves the config files behind? |
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| 14:41.20 | entity | okay, i guess i need a framebuffer |
| 14:41.31 | SirLagz | fishsponge: as in inplace upgrades. it doesn't remove much. just overwrites stuff |
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| 14:41.45 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so if we do a base install with the SSH server as well, when we do a dist-upgrade it'll upgrade everything, but will also leave the old kernel behind as well... correct?? |
| 14:41.50 | SirLagz | fishsponge: if you uninstall packages, depending on how you uninstall it, t can either leave or purge config files |
| 14:41.52 | jelly | fishsponge: a remove action always does. A purge action removes the configuration as well. |
| 14:41.59 | jelly | fishsponge: read /msg dpkg purge |
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| 14:43.02 | SirLagz | fishsponge: and yes, it will leave the old kernel |
| 14:43.12 | SirLagz | fishsponge: I don't think the kernels get automatically removed. I could be wrong though |
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| 14:43.42 | jelly | fishsponge: a release upgrade only uses the remove action, you have to do any purges after that separately |
| 14:43.43 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so what I said is correct... with a base install with the SSH server it will replace everything and keep the old kernel there too. |
| 14:44.05 | Shuro | fishsponge: not if you use purge ^^ |
| 14:44.05 | SirLagz | fishsponge: IIRC, yes |
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| 14:44.24 | jelly | fishsponge: it won't necessarily replace everything. Some packages might be on the same version in old release and new release. |
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| 14:44.38 | Shuro | fishsponge: http://stuff.thermoman.de/apt-listrepositories.pl thats the script i mentioned earlier. |
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| 14:45.25 | Shuro | fishsponge: every program with "/var/lib/status" has no valid repository and should be safe to delete (*No warrenty*) |
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| 14:46.02 | jelly | blinks |
| 14:46.50 | Shuro | fishsponge: correction, all programs with "/var/lib/dpkg/status" in the line are not in any used repository |
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| 14:47.17 | jelly | Shuro: perhaps you'd want to read "/msg dpkg obsolete" |
| 14:47.31 | fishsponge | SirLagz, OK, so the final question is: let's say we do an install with the X server and various other packages, if we then upgrade, does it actually remove all the previous packages (except the kernel), replace the new ones and install new stuff as well? |
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| 14:48.22 | SirLagz | fishsponge: it depends on the system. There's no real general answer as it depends on what's installed |
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| 14:48.30 | SirLagz | fishsponge: it could be a plain upgrade of all the packages |
| 14:48.32 | Shuro | blinks |
| 14:48.44 | SirLagz | fishsponge: or it could involve the removal of some packages and installation of newer ones |
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| 14:49.16 | SirLagz | fishsponge: why do you need to know ? |
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| 14:49.51 | fishsponge | SirLagz, i need to know because my company is very paranoid about whether to use Debian (which lasts 3 years) or CentOS (which lasts 10 years apparently)... I really want them to use Debian |
| 14:49.59 | Shuro | jelly: thanks for the info, didn't know that. But i hardly use aptitude. |
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| 14:50.43 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so when I have lots of packages from the Debian repository installed and do a dist-upgrade, it could leave some of the old packages behind? |
| 14:50.50 | SirLagz | fishsponge: Considered RHEL ? |
| 14:51.15 | fishsponge | company is considering Debian vs CentOS... i really want to use Debian, hence why they have asked me to find out the answers to these questions... |
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| 14:51.26 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so when I have lots of packages from the Debian repository installed and do a dist-upgrade, it could leave some of the old packages behind? |
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| 14:51.34 | SirLagz | fishsponge: Possibly |
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| 14:52.29 | fishsponge | OK... so I guess I could could run "apt-get dist-upgrade", copy and paste, sort it out, compare it to "dpkg -l" and then uninstall various packages myself, so the new dist-upgrade is clean... right? |
| 14:52.30 | jelly | fishsponge: if the same version is present in both releases, no upgrade will be performed |
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| 14:53.24 | jelly | fishsponge: depends on how you do the uninstallation. |
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| 14:54.02 | jelly | fishsponge: and again, a release upgrade is more than just "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 14:56.38 | fishsponge | jelly, usually I run "apt-get upgrade", but sometimes I run "apt-get dist-upgrade" (which took me from squeeze to wheezy)... but you are saying a release upgrade is more than "apt-get dist-upgrade"... so how do I get a larger upgrade rather than running "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?? |
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| 14:57.26 | jelly | fishsponge: you read and follow the procedure in Release Notes |
| 14:57.32 | jelly | eg. |
| 14:57.38 | jelly | !wheezy release notes |
| 14:57.38 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
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| 14:57.51 | fishsponge | ok... usually I always run "apt-get dist-upgrade" which upgrades my distribution from squeeze to wheezy... |
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| 14:58.41 | jelly | yeah, that's not good enough and may leave more cruft or cause other trouble than the recommended procedure |
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| 14:59.10 | fishsponge | jelly, the release notes are a very large document... where is the statement that says "running apt-get dist-upgrade does less than doing a release update"? I'm slightly confused... |
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| 14:59.43 | fishsponge | I thought "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgraded the distribution... but you are saying the "release upgrade" upgrades more packages? |
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| 14:59.51 | fishsponge | very confused now. |
| 15:00.06 | fishsponge | I thought "apt-get dist-upgrade" did a complete distribution upgrade... |
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| 15:00.16 | jelly | fishsponge: "4. Upgrades from Debian 6.0 (squeeze)" is longer than "please run apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 15:00.24 | Lars_G | no.... wrong |
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| 15:00.53 | jelly | fishsponge: you thought wrong. (the command name can lead to confusion) |
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| 15:01.23 | fishsponge | jelly, under "4.4.5. Upgrading the system" it says "Execute: # apt-get dist-upgrade" - which is what I usually do... but you are saying I need to run a different command to do a proper upgrade... |
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| 15:01.27 | fishsponge | confused again |
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| 15:01.48 | jelly | fishsponge: and there's quite a bit of stuff to do before 4.4.5 and after it, isn't there? |
| 15:02.07 | jelly | so, it's not enough on its own. |
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| 15:02.37 | SirLagz | I should really review that stuff too...I haven't looked at it since Woody I think haha |
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| 15:03.08 | fishsponge | jelly, it seems to be talking about unmounting stuff, USB stuff, checking package status, etc... I don't need to unmount stuff, we don't use USB and all packages are generally fine, hence why we just run "apt-get dist-upgrade"... |
| 15:03.24 | neo1691 | I have deleted configuration files of bumblebee, and reinstalled it. But the configuation files are not rregenerated again after reinstallation. Is there a command where I can get the config files back? |
| 15:03.42 | jelly | fishsponge: that "etc" also includes 4.4.4. |
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| 15:04.09 | jelly | fishsponge: "first run: # apt-get upgrade" |
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| 15:04.35 | fishsponge | jelly, OK, so basically I need to run "apt-get upgrade" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" after... |
| 15:04.55 | jelly | gives up |
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| 15:05.31 | jelly | fishsponge: it's your system; if things break because you deliberately avoid the tested, best practice procedure, you get to keep all the pieces |
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| 15:05.43 | fishsponge | ok... |
| 15:05.53 | jelly | I guess it's fucking hard to read 5-10 pages of text |
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| 15:06.08 | fishsponge | so... here's my summary: If we uninstall a package, we can also purge it to remove it's config. |
| 15:06.09 | fishsponge | If we do a base install with the SSH server installed as well, the upgrade will then replace everything, but will leave the old kernel behind as well. |
| 15:06.14 | fishsponge | If we do an install including Xorg and various other packages, the upgrade will then replace lots of it, but might leave some packages behind. Before the upgrade we could run a command that lists the new packages, then another command that lists the existing packages, find the non-duplicates, do the upgrade and then uninstall the non-duplicates, including the purge (to remove it's config files). |
| 15:06.21 | fishsponge | all correct?? |
| 15:07.00 | fishsponge | SirLagz, ^^ |
| 15:07.34 | SirLagz | fishsponge: sure. why not. |
| 15:07.47 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so that's all correct? yes or no |
| 15:07.49 | ompaul | good luck with that |
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| 15:08.24 | fishsponge | SirLagz, so that's all correct? yes or no |
| 15:08.25 | jelly | there's no reason to search for "duplicates", just use the command from dpkg's "purge" factoid to clean most of the cruft |
| 15:08.31 | jelly | !purge |
| 15:08.32 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 15:08.32 | SirLagz | fishsponge: yes |
| 15:08.34 | SirLagz | i'm off to bed. |
| 15:08.49 | fishsponge | SirLagz, thank you |
| 15:08.50 | ompaul | install stable, bring up to date, move to testing, move to sid, go find gentoo install cd and then get on with your bike and cycle for 30 days |
| 15:09.02 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade your friends |
| 15:09.02 | fishsponge | jelly, thank you to you too |
| 15:09.09 | ompaul | anything else will bite |
| 15:09.10 | jelly | ompaul: wasn't 40 days the more common chore |
| 15:09.22 | ompaul | jelly: new improved processors ;-) |
| 15:09.23 | fishsponge | gtg |
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| 15:13.08 | grimeton | i get a lots of core dumps on the realtime kernels lately |
| 15:13.09 | grimeton | not nice |
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| 15:14.26 | lram | Hello people. I want to execute a script, as soon as new upgrades are available. I don't want local mails (like using apticron), I want to control what to do. Any ideas? |
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| 15:14.46 | grimeton | lram: run apt-get in a shell |
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| 15:16.43 | lram | grimeton: You mean I should do some thing like "apt-get upgrade | "The following packages will be updates" to check if there are new upgrades? |
| 15:16.54 | lram | *| grep of course |
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| 15:17.44 | grimeton | lram: if you want to control the apt-get process you may want to have a look at expect |
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| 15:20.09 | grimeton | lram: else i'd suggest something like if [ "$(apt-get update | grep -E ^Get | wc -l)" -gt 0 ]; then echo "updates available"; fi |
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| 15:22.09 | unRuhe | hi guys I have a weird networking issue with my homewebserver. It apparently receives connections but doesn't send stuff back. It works if I use a webproxy like anonymouse.org |
| 15:22.12 | lram | grimeton: You mean apt-get upgrade? Yes that could be a solution. Thought there is already a more clean solution out there. Maybe I should have a look at apt-watch. |
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| 15:24.37 | grimeton | yeah apt-get upgrade requires a different grep but would work too |
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| 15:25.14 | xreal | Anyone with an idea? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21916764/fuse-loopback-device-in-openvz-container |
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| 15:27.38 | frostschutz | xreal, nbd doesn't work either I take it? |
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| 15:29.49 | xreal | frostschutz: I tried nbd, doesn't work: it's not in the kernel. |
| 15:31.37 | rogg | thanks dpkg for the info and wanders off again |
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| 15:32.07 | frostschutz | xreal, qemu? just get a real (v)server where you don't have to jump through hoops. |
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| 15:34.23 | xreal | frostschutz: I'm paying 2,00 EUR each month, I don't want to spend more on such a service. I'm running VMs on my local system, that's enough. But I want an "external" VPS. |
| 15:34.33 | grimeton | horsik: sure as lons as you're the owner |
| 15:34.37 | grimeton | s/lons/long/ |
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| 15:35.07 | horsik | grimeton: then something's wrong cause i can't |
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| 15:37.04 | horsik | grimeton: http://pastebin.com/YTXwLS2N |
| 15:37.39 | grimeton | horsik: try chgrp |
| 15:38.19 | grimeton | horsik: hm, doesn't seem to work |
| 15:38.23 | grimeton | kinda confused right now |
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| 15:38.49 | grimeton | either it was never possible and i never noticed it in the last 20 years or something has changed =) |
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| 15:41.12 | neo1691 | I have ran into a very strange issue. When I first installed bumblebee-nvidia package on wheezy, it created some configuration files in /etc/bumblebee directory. Since bumblebee was not working anymore I removed the package and deleted the configuration files. But now reinstalling the packages are not bringing back the config files. Please help! |
| 15:41.28 | xreal | frostschutz: Are you running a real server? |
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| 15:58.25 | daze | hello, I'm trying to fetch GMA3600 drivers for debian from 'deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/sarvatt/cedarview/ubuntu/ precise main' (deb-src since there are no precompiled versions for my amd64 platform). When I do `apt-get install cedarview-drm-drivers`, it says 'unable to locate package'. The source clearly exists in the repo. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:59.22 | towo` | daze, apt-get install does not fetch sources |
| 15:59.40 | towo` | daze, apt-get source cedarview-drm-drivers will do the trick |
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| 16:00.05 | daze | I see. Seems to be working, thanks! :) |
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| 16:01.34 | Sbroker | re |
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| 16:02.50 | Okee | Have there been any reports on whether or not this is accepted: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.backports.general/month=20130801 ?? |
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| 16:21.06 | DammitJim | for different users in a test environment, I should be setting up specific users on the test server for each of them to use, right? |
| 16:21.14 | DammitJim | I'm talking connection over ssh |
| 16:21.26 | DammitJim | I though maybe I could use PSKs |
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| 16:21.35 | DammitJim | but that won't tell me what they are doing on a per session basis, right? |
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| 16:43.09 | JordiGH | If I reboot sshd while logged in via ssh, I don't get booted, right? |
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| 16:43.16 | JordiGH | That doesn't close existing ssh connections? |
| 16:43.47 | JordiGH | I want to make a change to sshd_conf on a remote server, but in case I mess up, I don't want to get locked out. |
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| 16:44.53 | buu | JordiGH: Probably not! |
| 16:45.23 | JordiGH | Y'know what, I can just try rebooting sshd without making any changes to sshd_conf, that won't lock me out. |
| 16:45.48 | JordiGH | Yeah, ok, that didn't disconnect me. |
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| 16:46.31 | fishcooker | is there any network manager for command line? |
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| 16:47.09 | woshty | What does "fsck" mount option do exactly? |
| 16:47.29 | horsik | fishcooker: ifconfig, dhclient, iwconfig, iw |
| 16:47.42 | fishcooker | i mean network manager |
| 16:47.44 | fishcooker | like |
| 16:47.48 | fishcooker | but in command line? |
| 16:48.04 | fishcooker | or should i make bashscript for that reason? |
| 16:48.08 | CissWit | wicd can be used in command line, never tried it |
| 16:48.31 | CissWit | i only use debian's /etc/network |
| 16:48.47 | lexibq | fishcooker: wicd-curses will do you just fine |
| 16:48.51 | CissWit | and ifup/ifdown |
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| 16:49.39 | fishcooker | i know i do the /etc/network too CissWit but this case is different |
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| 16:50.26 | horsik | fishcooker: do whatever you want with this http://pastebin.com/WBgXQtui |
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| 16:52.01 | fishcooker | looks promising horsik |
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| 16:52.17 | fishcooker | for wireless especially |
| 16:52.20 | CissWit | fishcooker: what exactly are you trying to do ? |
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| 16:53.14 | lexibq | ...... or just use wicd. |
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| 16:53.46 | fishcooker | i have at least 2box that the one will functioning as AP and the rest devices will connect to the AP box |
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| 16:54.40 | zykotick9 | fishcooker: i'd certainly recommend wicd-curses, it's what i use on my netbooks |
| 16:55.20 | CissWit | fishcooker: so you are trying to configure an access point and devices that will connect to this access point ? |
| 16:55.31 | arthurfiggis | hello :) does anyone know offhand of a good wireless usb mouse/keyboard combo that works well with debian stable? with the one i'm using the mouse has all kinds of issues...sometimes it doesn't register a click until a few seconds later, other times it holds down and drags something when it shouldn't :( no issues with a usb mouse and keyboard via cable though |
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| 16:56.28 | zykotick9 | fishcooker: if it's going to be a non-changing setup, then interfaces would be the way to go IMO |
| 16:57.13 | fishcooker | yes CissWit because those ap dual channel i will use 2.4Ghz as AP for portable devices and 5GHz between AP and the server |
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| 16:58.18 | fishcooker | at least it's good when those AP changing.. zykotick9 |
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| 17:04.12 | fishcooker | Logitech would be a good option arthurfiggis |
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| 17:04.47 | rogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 17:05.40 | rogg | What's the standard way of setting up a firewall? dist-upgrade complained about my firewall script, and the article on debian-administrators is from 2008 |
| 17:05.51 | Procy0n | :q |
| 17:05.57 | Procy0n | sorry |
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| 17:06.29 | tomodachi | rogg: this is related to your script not being lsb compatible or something (for automatic startup) |
| 17:06.38 | tomodachi | so your issue is generic to startup scripts not to firewalls |
| 17:07.24 | rogg | tomodachi: well sorta. it's specifically about firewalls, since I'm ok with deleting my script and doing it The Right Way |
| 17:07.35 | rogg | is the right way still a script in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 17:15.24 | tomodachi | rogg: yes, just compare your script to other working ones in that folder |
| 17:15.39 | rogg | hrmm ok |
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| 17:15.52 | tomodachi | or move it from init.d now so you can coninue with your upgrade, if the fw is non critical right now |
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| 17:16.00 | rogg | I'm just surprised there's no standardized way of setting up a firewall |
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| 17:16.35 | tomodachi | a firewall is pretty generic, you keep what you dont want to pass through it out |
| 17:16.51 | tomodachi | what you dont want to pass through it depends on you :) |
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| 17:20.51 | esojep | does debian current daily images come with systemd? |
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| 17:23.00 | zenlunatic | anyone have suggestions on backing up an encrypted lvm? |
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| 17:29.49 | RajKhan | hi need help i have 15 yr experience in linux server..but how can i change default editor vim to nano |
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| 17:31.48 | abrotman | RajKhan: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 17:31.48 | mauricio_ | RajKhan, 15 years? |
| 17:32.21 | abrotman | wait, that's not right .. |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | oh, yes it is |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | is blind |
| 17:32.34 | mauricio_ | sudo |
| 17:32.38 | mauricio_ | haha |
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| 17:35.16 | lexibq | 15 years.... Yes and my name is Mahatma Ghandi. |
| 17:35.30 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:35.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 17:37.37 | Nostrada | Has anyone here had any luck installing debian on a USB flash drive ? |
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| 17:38.24 | abrotman | Lots of people |
| 17:38.56 | Nostrada | I was not able to do it. The installer refuses to install grub to it |
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| 17:40.35 | Nostrada | #awesome |
| 17:41.13 | abrotman | #hashtagssuck |
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| 17:42.43 | WormFood | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-fast-is-linux-sata-hard-disk.html <-- does anyone know what app this "GUI Tool" is, for testing HD read/write speeds, and is it available in debian? |
| 17:42.46 | RajKhan | thank it working.. |
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| 17:46.03 | quak | Hi, I'm having a problem with mysql-server-5.1 on Debian 6. The MySQL server appears to be up and running properly, but /etc/init.d/mysql status reports that it's not running. Because of this, dpkg considers mysql-server unconfigured and keeps on trying to reconfigure it, but that fails every time. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 17:46.23 | Sbroker | hola julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 17:46.35 | WormFood | "palimpsest" to answer my own question, and it is in debian....but I can't seem to find it on the menu |
| 17:46.39 | Sbroker | saludos desde España |
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| 17:50.04 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:50.04 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 17:59.31 | ompaul | WormFood: run it from the cli that was how it was intended to run it's not a gui tool |
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| 17:59.57 | jhutchins | quak: Reinstall it maybe? How did you get to this point? |
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| 18:01.42 | neo1691 | I am getting this error when I try to run optirun -v glxgears: primus: fatal: broken GLX on main X display. Can anyone has any hnt about it? |
| 18:01.47 | neo1691 | *hiny |
| 18:01.50 | neo1691 | *hint |
| 18:01.51 | WormFood | ompaul, what cli tool? This is part of gnome-disk-utility package |
| 18:02.04 | WormFood | ompaul, you talking about using dd? |
| 18:02.56 | ompaul | WormFood: the tool that link got me to is hdparm |
| 18:03.23 | ompaul | WormFood: at the end of it |
| 18:04.31 | ompaul | WormFood: no idea, must be distro specific |
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| 18:05.09 | ompaul | WormFood: also it's 2007 things have moved on a little ;-) |
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| 18:05.53 | Geri_lgfx | hi. the 586 netinstall version downloads 686 files. how to fix this? |
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| 18:06.13 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: they are the right files |
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| 18:06.31 | Geri_lgfx | then why its called 586? |
| 18:06.37 | ompaul | that's your box |
| 18:06.43 | ompaul | hang on |
| 18:06.48 | Geri_lgfx | ompaul: okay |
| 18:06.54 | ompaul | what link are you referring to |
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| 18:07.15 | Geri_lgfx | debian net install 32 bit all versions. |
| 18:07.43 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: read your question again please check your CD it is for i386 |
| 18:08.01 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: suitable packages work on 686 procs also |
| 18:08.04 | Geri_lgfx | cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/bt-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 18:08.10 | Geri_lgfx | i think this was the image |
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| 18:08.19 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: you said 586 in your first question |
| 18:08.23 | Geri_lgfx | i want to boot it on a 586 computer |
| 18:08.27 | Geri_lgfx | but the installer download 686 files |
| 18:08.29 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: it is not a problem |
| 18:08.31 | ompaul | run it |
| 18:08.38 | Geri_lgfx | illegal instruction. instant reboot. |
| 18:09.04 | Geri_lgfx | the computer i want to run it, does not supports 686 instruction set, only 586 |
| 18:09.45 | ompaul | wonders are 486s still supported I think they are |
| 18:09.55 | Geri_lgfx | i install it in virtualbox, on an sd card. |
| 18:10.05 | Geri_lgfx | then the sd card goes into the 586 machine |
| 18:10.17 | Geri_lgfx | which does not boots, due to the 686 binaries. |
| 18:10.44 | Geri_lgfx | can i somehow force the instruction set to 586? |
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| 18:11.32 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: I don't think that is how you do it - that chipset is supported please look here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#idp5615872 |
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| 18:12.10 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: Geri_lgfx start off with a live cd from the same school and see if that boots your box |
| 18:12.29 | Geri_lgfx | ompaul: i dont have compatible cd drive to install it directly on the 586 machine, so i have to use sd card. i tryed the live cd to copy to sd drive, that runs. |
| 18:12.47 | Geri_lgfx | but the live cd image creates ramdrives, and stuffs, isnt? |
| 18:12.52 | Geri_lgfx | and not a real installed operating system |
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| 18:13.49 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: on some other linux box cat yourlive.iso > /dev/sdWHATEVERFORTHESTICK |
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| 18:14.00 | ompaul | that will give you a booting live image |
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| 18:14.11 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: that approach will work |
| 18:14.11 | Geri_lgfx | i did that |
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| 18:14.27 | Geri_lgfx | but the live cd versions are not suitable |
| 18:14.35 | ompaul | of i386? |
| 18:14.49 | Geri_lgfx | yes. it works, but its not a normal system. |
| 18:14.59 | ompaul | oh now you are getting to the exceptions |
| 18:15.03 | ompaul | go on fill us in |
| 18:15.18 | Geri_lgfx | i want a stable system on my 586 computer |
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| 18:15.23 | Geri_lgfx | on an sd drive |
| 18:15.24 | Imbue | is there a page somewhere that describes the difference between the 'standard' and 'rescue' live image? |
| 18:15.29 | Imbue | or must I just trawl the package list? |
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| 18:17.06 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: does your 586 even boot off a usb |
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| 18:17.16 | Geri_lgfx | yes. |
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| 18:19.10 | ompaul | Geri_lgfx: how much ram have you got? |
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| 18:19.16 | Geri_lgfx | 256 mbyte DDR2 |
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| 18:19.47 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.51 | ompaul | that is going to hurt |
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| 18:20.21 | Geri_lgfx | this is the live system. this one boots. but, isnt this runs from a ramdrive? |
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| 18:20.41 | quak | I don't know what happened, but apparently my mysql-client package was broken/not fully installed, and /usr/bin/mysqladmin (which the init script uses to check the MySQL server) was missing. Reinstalling the client package fixed it. |
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| 18:24.58 | WormFood | ompaul, I already answered my own question. The tool is part of gnome, and it's still maintained today. It's NOT distro specific |
| 18:25.19 | ompaul | grand so |
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| 18:53.27 | tx0h | hello, i need some support. i changed my cpu from amd am2 (core-avx2) to intel i3, how can i tell my ldebian box to reconfigure the -march and -mtune native settings? |
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| 18:55.08 | centrx | "VMM: fixed a Guru Meditation VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT caused by VMCB caching with nested paging on certain AMD CPUs" |
| 18:55.57 | centrx | tx0h, Are you building all your packages from source or something? |
| 18:56.11 | tx0h | some from git |
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| 18:56.49 | centrx | Usually those settings are made by ./configure |
| 18:56.52 | brianjaod | can someone point me in the right direction about the best practices way to programmatically write to the frame buffer? i'm using fbi in my c program, but i can't get it to work without using sudo. i've heard that running as root is a bad idea for secuirty reasons. |
| 18:56.54 | tx0h | but i usualy change the cpu family so often |
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| 18:58.21 | tx0h | centrx: the current sources use -march=native and the environment held the native machine architecture somewhere and replaces native with the appropriate architecture |
| 18:58.41 | brianjaod | unless i run as root or use sudo, i keep getting "ioctl VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted", even though my user is in the same r/w group as /dev/fb0 and /dev/tty1 |
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| 19:00.28 | brianjaod | is this one of those cases where it's appropriate to run the app as root (or sudo)? if so, how do still maintain correct protection. the app is also utilizing socket connections to the cloud; another reason why i want to make sure i do it right. thanks! |
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| 19:01.08 | centrx | tx0h, What does this return: gcc -march=native -Q --help=target |grep march |
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| 19:01.32 | tx0h | core-avx2 |
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| 19:01.45 | tx0h | but i have a intel i3 now, not the amd x2 anymore |
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| 19:02.15 | tx0h | thats exactly the problem :-( |
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| 19:03.34 | centrx | tx0h, Find out how gcc determines the CPU with -march=native |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | wonders what the difference is for compiling |
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| 19:05.17 | tx0h | nods |
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| 19:06.02 | grand_grunt | Hi |
| 19:06.04 | tx0h | abrotman: it's not about compiling but the compiler delivers wrong opcode to the assembler |
| 19:06.26 | grand_grunt | Is there a up-to-date howto for installing Debian Wheezy with / (and /boot) on RAID1 ? |
| 19:07.12 | fandi | hi all |
| 19:07.21 | fandi | i install cloud-init 7.2 |
| 19:07.49 | fandi | when i login to the terminal, why only $ for user |
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| 19:08.06 | fandi | and root only show root@(none)# |
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| 19:08.29 | fandi | can i change because a good appearance .. |
| 19:08.49 | fandi | like root@localhost# and user@localhost$ |
| 19:08.50 | zykotick9 | fandi: not sure what cloud-init is, or what your question is exactly, but $ for users and # for root is the default |
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| 19:09.22 | zykotick9 | ^ for debian, and many other distros... |
| 19:09.45 | fandi | hoho so only $ is good one ;) |
| 19:10.39 | fandi | can i change it if login as user it's will be user@localhost$ and login as root will became root@localhost# |
| 19:10.43 | fandi | :) |
| 19:11.35 | fer755 | fandi who shell are u used? |
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| 19:11.42 | zykotick9 | fandi: PS1 in ~/.bashrc can be configured |
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| 19:13.06 | fer755 | *using |
| 19:13.14 | fandi | hi fer755, where i can find shell in debian? |
| 19:13.19 | fandi | :) |
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| 19:14.10 | zykotick9 | fandi: oh, does your system have a hostname? perhaps that's why you're seeing (none) - if that's your issue. |
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| 19:14.30 | fer755 | find in set SHELL variable. |
| 19:14.35 | jhutchins | ,v cloud-init |
| 19:14.37 | judd | Package: cloud-init on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.7.2-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.7.2-3; sid: 0.7.2-3; experimental: 0.7.2-4 |
| 19:14.45 | jhutchins | ,info cloud-init |
| 19:14.46 | judd | No package named 'cloud-init' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 19:15.06 | fandi | yes, i am using backports |
| 19:15.26 | fer755 | fandi echo $SHELL |
| 19:15.30 | fandi | wait i am still running my server |
| 19:15.30 | fandi | :) |
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| 19:17.04 | tx0h | hmmm... i3 is a haswell cpu. thats odd. when i use -march=native i run into this problem: http://pastebin.ca/2645037 but when i use -march=core2 it runs through |
| 19:17.16 | tx0h | oops |
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| 19:19.39 | frostschutz | tx0h, gcc version? if it's older than the cpu, march native may not be the best option |
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| 19:21.04 | tx0h | 4.8.2 |
| 19:21.20 | tx0h | binutils 2.24 |
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| 19:24.41 | febef | buenas hay alguien? |
| 19:24.46 | febef | tengo un tema |
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| 19:24.59 | centrx | !es |
| 19:24.59 | febef | instale debian con mi querido awesome |
| 19:24.59 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:25.00 | fandi | hi fer755, http://pastebin.com/SLRuUKgV |
| 19:25.14 | fandi | that's my echo $shell |
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| 19:25.44 | AngryAdmin | hello, i have a slight inconvenience that i might need some advice on |
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| 19:25.53 | AngryAdmin | I have a disk that is member of a ZFS array on deb 7.4 |
| 19:26.00 | AngryAdmin | but it has superblocks from a prev. md array |
| 19:26.10 | AngryAdmin | can i clear the superblock without ruining the data on the drive? |
| 19:26.12 | tx0h | ouch |
| 19:26.32 | fer755 | fandi in capitals $SHELL |
| 19:26.32 | AngryAdmin | well if i stop the MD zfs goes online with no errors so its not a major problem |
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| 19:26.51 | AngryAdmin | it would just save me replacing the disk with another disk to zero the block to replace it back again |
| 19:26.58 | AngryAdmin | as it takes some time on a 20tb array |
| 19:27.00 | fandi | /bin/sh |
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| 19:27.41 | fandi | http://pastebin.com/7aYBLFeK |
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| 19:28.04 | fer755 | fandi modify in /root variable PS1 in file .shrc to fit all u want |
| 19:28.05 | zykotick9 | !tell fandi about pastebin.com |
| 19:28.12 | fer755 | fandi,for root |
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| 19:29.11 | fer755 | fandi,and the rest of users are in /home/user/.shrc been user each user of u system |
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| 19:29.22 | fer755 | fandi, the same variable |
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| 19:30.05 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: i think you can create new superblocks but first you need at least one old superblock (it's a long time ago i puzzled filesystems) |
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| 19:30.44 | fandi | ok let me change it |
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| 19:32.23 | fer755 | fandi sry but i dont know so much of sh, u can try man shmisc |
| 19:32.47 | fandi | it's ok .. thanks for you help |
| 19:32.54 | fer755 | fandi, np |
| 19:33.14 | fandi | i am just looking some clue.. because i am new .. |
| 19:33.31 | fer755 | fandi, all are new sometimes |
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| 19:36.56 | jhutchins | chshell? |
| 19:37.09 | jhutchins | chsh rather |
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| 19:37.37 | AngryAdmin | tx0h: i dont want superblocks :) i want them gone, md continiously mounts the raid array, and i dont want it to, because the disk is part of a ZFS array |
| 19:37.44 | AmbiguousOutlier | my virt-manager keeps asking for a password, when it never used to, I can't work out what i've changed |
| 19:38.05 | AngryAdmin | tx0h: so far i seem to find the only solution being erasing the superblock on the troubled drive, but will that destroy the data? |
| 19:38.21 | AngryAdmin | i edited em out in mdadm.conf already |
| 19:38.26 | AngryAdmin | still popping up on boot |
| 19:38.34 | AngryAdmin | almost about to uninstall MD :p |
| 19:39.06 | AngryAdmin | most guies are more concerned with creating raids than destroying them for good :p |
| 19:39.10 | AngryAdmin | *guides |
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| 19:39.52 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: it didn't destroy the data but you can't access them anymore because the inode lists are directed from the superblocks |
| 19:40.12 | fandi | ok thanks, it's solve now |
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| 19:43.23 | AngryAdmin | tx0h: i supposed ZFS filesystem does not really care about those, i have no clue though |
| 19:43.52 | donpi | Hi everyone, I'm not succeeding in activating the right audio card in my PC.. here an overview of my audio card(s) http://pastebin.com/SmcAZW7g |
| 19:44.11 | AngryAdmin | you can activate the left one? |
| 19:44.14 | AngryAdmin | how many you got? |
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| 19:44.30 | donpi | As the error seems with the hw:0, how can I use the hw:1? |
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| 19:45.07 | AngryAdmin | switch the numbers around |
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| 19:45.28 | AngryAdmin | 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB ---> 1 [SB...... |
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| 19:45.42 | AngryAdmin | thats what i would do |
| 19:45.55 | AngryAdmin | if that didnt work i would reserve it ;) |
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| 19:46.08 | AngryAdmin | i have no clue if its the solution mate, just a suggestion seems logical |
| 19:46.32 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: you can use the superblock numbers as arguments for fsck for instance. don't know much about zfs |
| 19:46.41 | AngryAdmin | i see |
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| 19:46.46 | AngryAdmin | zfs does not use fsck either |
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| 19:47.10 | AngryAdmin | well i have 3 drives redundant so i should be fine, its just, i dont like it much :p |
| 19:47.33 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: -b superblocknum |
| 19:48.10 | AngryAdmin | what does that do? |
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| 19:50.19 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: well, i think it doesn't help you with your raid problem. i suggest you just replicate the disks |
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| 19:51.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Are apt-get and dpkg provided in the form of a library? |
| 19:52.38 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: apt is primarily a library, and apt-get was initially an example client |
| 19:52.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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| 19:53.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: not sure how to google for it though |
| 19:53.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is it provided in some package with a different name? |
| 19:54.35 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: try apt-cache search libapt dev |
| 19:55.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, libapt yields good results. |
| 19:55.11 | jelly-home | what is your actual goal, Eduard_Munteanu? |
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| 19:55.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: I'm considering writing a debootstrap-like tool |
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| 19:55.50 | jelly-home | because cdebootstrap and debootstrap just aren't good enough? |
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| 19:56.48 | ktorvalds | A new development on my workspace switcher issue. The ctrl+alt+up/down keybindings are somehow disabled until I open the switcher properties window and select, and then deselect, the "show miniature version" checkbox. Any ideas on that? Thanks |
| 19:57.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: I'm unsure about cdebootstrap, but I'm rather aiming towards making a distro-independent installer, targetting Debian for now. |
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| 19:57.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: and debootstrap itself is sort of a hack |
| 19:58.28 | perth | having some trouble with logcheck, for some reason it mails reports to "logcheck" instead of "perth" as /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf tells it to. Interestingly /usr/sbin/logcheck has a built in default of root for the mail target, but that is still ignored... |
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| 19:58.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: and by installer I mean something that works more like debootstrap than debian-installer |
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| 19:59.16 | perth | this only happens when logcheck in run by cron. When root executes the logchec.cron file everything works fine... WHAT? |
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| 19:59.30 | AngryAdmin | tx0h: ty for help :) |
| 19:59.33 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: the result being a chroot or container instead of a full system? |
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| 20:00.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: any of those, really. I'm interested in getting systems to a point where some configuration management tool can take over. |
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| 20:00.32 | tx0h | AngryAdmin: i didn't helped much |
| 20:00.57 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: is FAI overkill for your purpose? |
| 20:02.01 | ktorvalds | I'm running Debian Wheezy, with XFCE 4.8 |
| 20:03.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly-home: no, but FAI aims to be a traditional installer. I'd rather have some sort of recipe that can be reproduced and tested over and over in VMs. (And as a sidegoal, trying to get less of a mismatch of expectations between distro installs) |
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| 20:04.10 | hochmeister | Can someone help me with this upstart conf: http://pastebin.com/hXS525Ed ?? It's acting strangely. When the logger command in the pre-start stanza is commented, upstart says "Job failed to start". When uncommented I get a classpath related error. Any help is much appreciated. |
| 20:04.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | (I should also mention I have a bit of trouble trusting debootstrap and even FAI to provide defaults I expect, I've had quite a few surprises before.) |
| 20:05.07 | jelly-home | hochmeister: which debian release are you using? |
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| 20:05.29 | jelly-home | ,v upstart |
| 20:05.30 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-1; sid: 1.11-1 |
| 20:05.55 | hochmeister | jelly-home: actually, I'm on Ubuntu. I guess I'd better ask there... |
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| 20:06.29 | xreal | frostschutz: Are you running a real server? |
| 20:06.32 | jelly-home | hochmeister: please do. This channel is for Debian proper. |
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| 20:06.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | For example I don't feel comfortable running debootstrap because its signature verificaton is sort of an afterthought, and certainly not something you can enforce. |
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| 20:07.29 | jelly-home | hochmeister: might want to try #ubuntu-server if #ubuntu gives unsatisfactory responses, but be patient in any case |
| 20:07.41 | hochmeister | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:08.03 | towski_ | I'm trying to use parted on a virtualbox hard drive, but it won't even list the partition and states: "can't have the end before the start" |
| 20:08.32 | daswort | is there a program which looks at multimedia files and suggest the right codecs preferably the corresponding packages? |
| 20:08.33 | towski_ | it seems to recognize the problem: "Warning not all the space appears to be used" |
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| 20:09.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | towski_: IIRC vbox uses its own image format, you might want to boot a rescue system in vbox |
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| 20:11.03 | zykotick9 | daswort: the terminal program mediainfo might be of some help? but doesn't suggest anything... best of luck. |
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| 20:11.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | daswort: mediainfo can display information about media files |
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| 20:11.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | daswort: but usually you can install a multimedia framework and you get all codecs, more or less |
| 20:11.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | s/all/most/ |
| 20:12.14 | conroe | Is there really no way to reinitialize existing dmcrypt/luks volumes during install? ubuntu uses the very same installer and they have it :) |
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| 20:12.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | conroe: what do you mean reinitialize? |
| 20:12.52 | conroe | Eduard_Munteanu, add+select mountpoint |
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| 20:13.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | conroe: do you want to recreate the encrypted container? |
| 20:13.42 | conroe | no, i dont want to touch it besides adding it to the installation |
| 20:13.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
| 20:13.53 | jelly-home | as in, cryptsetup and use them? "reinitialize" sounds more like "throw data away" |
| 20:13.53 | conroe | reopen+reassign mountpoint |
| 20:14.01 | conroe | ah, my bad |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | luksOpen, right |
| 20:14.17 | towski_ | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks. yeah I'm booted up in knoppix on the VM, but gparted can't even seem to see the partition table |
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| 20:14.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | towski_: perhaps it isn't partitioned |
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| 20:15.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | towski_: try running blkid and see what it tells you |
| 20:15.23 | sebnil | Howcome is it so hard to get automount for android devices? The only distro i have got it to work on is Mint? |
| 20:15.35 | jelly-home | conroe: can you not open a shell on alt-f3, setup and mount, and edit /target/etc/crypttab after the installation? |
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| 20:15.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | sebnil: might be because MTP is crappy |
| 20:15.57 | kayamm | anyone with pureftpd? |
| 20:16.09 | jhutchins | Is it possible to suppress the "file has vanished" error messages on rsync? |
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| 20:16.10 | sebnil | But how can it work so well with Mint and Ubuntu and not Debian? |
| 20:16.12 | conroe | jelly, i *could*, I just noticed that there is a bugreport from 2007 on the very same issue :P |
| 20:16.35 | jelly-home | sebnil: noone cared to fix it? |
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| 20:16.56 | trewas | sebnil: maybe you are comparing debian stable with some newer ubuntu or mint version? |
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| 20:17.36 | jelly-home | sebnil: go-mtpfs isn't even available in debian yet, and old mtpfs is rather unstable |
| 20:18.01 | sebnil | Have tried it with sid without any different.. |
| 20:18.14 | jelly-home | that's what I call old, yes |
| 20:18.30 | jhutchins | sebnil: Mint and Ubuntu and Debian are three DIFFERENT things. |
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| 20:18.33 | rottles | hello |
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| 20:18.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins: truisms are not useful at this point |
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| 20:18.46 | rottles | anyone know where i can find a debian image for odroid? |
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| 20:18.53 | rottles | i can't seem to find a good one |
| 20:19.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | rottles: you can debootstrap yourself one |
| 20:19.36 | rottles | im doing that but im worried about how im going to get the firmware to put on the firmware partition |
| 20:19.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | But maybe you're referring to something els.e |
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| 20:19.50 | jelly-home | sebnil: basically, someone needs to do the fixing in debian, too, and it's often very hard to make debian accept changes quickly |
| 20:19.51 | rottles | no im not |
| 20:20.00 | sebnil | I know that they are, and i have got some indication that MTP arent working that well on any platform. |
| 20:20.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | rottles: er, you can't really install Debian on your phone as the main OS, or not easily anyway |
| 20:20.16 | rottles | Eduard_Munteanu, odroid |
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| 20:20.26 | rottles | its like a raspberry pi |
| 20:20.29 | jelly-home | sebnil: you may try building and using go-mtpfs |
| 20:20.30 | rottles | but more powerful |
| 20:20.30 | daswort | thank you Eduard_Munteanu , zykotick9 – BTW: the codec is "DASH" and it appears as a ISO file if you ask `file` |
| 20:20.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh. |
| 20:20.59 | sebnil | jelly-home: The problem is that i have to make it automount. And with diffrent devices. |
| 20:21.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | rottles: thanks, I didn't know about it |
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| 20:22.40 | jelly-home | sebnil: you'll basically have to do a mtp detection after any usb device is plugged in |
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| 20:24.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | sebnil: you can add an udev hook for that, I suspect |
| 20:24.57 | sebnil | jelly-home: I maybe have to view towards other distros for this specific case.. I'm still not that into Linux to make a working hack yet. |
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| 20:25.54 | jelly-home | sure |
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| 20:26.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | sebnil: I haven't tried it myself, but have you looked into adb-based tools? |
| 20:26.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | It seems there is an "adbfs". |
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| 20:27.27 | jelly-home | adb was even less stable than mtpfs for me |
| 20:27.30 | jelly-home | ymmv |
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| 20:29.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | should try running a SSH server on his phone sometime |
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| 20:31.55 | sebnil | The problem isn't to access the files, but the automount for people that has no understadning about linux. |
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| 20:32.48 | kayamm | Can anyone help me with pureftpd. I can't connect to ftp from remote location only from local? |
| 20:32.55 | sebnil | I was thinking something about a kios computer, with the possibility to connect your phone and transfer some pictures. |
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| 20:36.38 | dutchfish | Arrowmaster, thanks again and for the link |
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| 20:37.11 | geusebio | I've just used clonezilla to clone a Debian machine.. Resulting clone does not boot. Grub is damaged. What can I do to repair or reinstall Grub? |
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| 20:42.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell geusebio -about fixmbr |
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| 20:42.14 | babilen | geusebio: You can, naturally, boot from any live CD. |
| 20:42.36 | geusebio | I currently have booted clonezilla, which has grub-install |
| 20:43.02 | babilen | geusebio: You will have to chroot into the system first (as detailed in the factoid) |
| 20:43.34 | geusebio | I just saw dpkgs message. One sec. |
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| 20:52.44 | RES401 | rottles: did you see this? http://www.mdrjr.net/odroid/debian-jessie-xbmc/ |
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| 21:00.54 | AlexLikeRock | i send a bug with "reportbug" but i not recive number of bug back like "bug #9999" |
| 21:01.10 | AlexLikeRock | how to now if are send ? |
| 21:01.31 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: How long did you wait? |
| 21:01.49 | AlexLikeRock | how to see again my text, to send by e-mail |
| 21:01.53 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, 30 mins |
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| 21:02.16 | AlexLikeRock | this not a first time , with this problem |
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| 21:02.25 | babilen | And did you configure reportbug with "reportbug --configure" and/or do you have a working MTA configured? I typically let reportbug use Debian's SMTP servers to be independent of my local MTA configuration. |
| 21:02.57 | AlexLikeRock | how can i see my configuration ? |
| 21:03.02 | AlexLikeRock | where they are ? |
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| 21:04.10 | AlexLikeRock | i remember i configure at fist time i used , like 2 years ago |
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| 21:05.22 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, |
| 21:05.31 | babilen | AlexLikeRock! |
| 21:05.47 | AlexLikeRock | what ? |
| 21:05.49 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: You are looking for $HOME/.reportbugrc |
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| 21:06.26 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Do you have "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in there? |
| 21:07.01 | nicferrier | hi all. I've got a problem with a debian guest inside lxc running on ubuntu. it doesn't get a dhcp address. other guests work. debian issue or ubuntu issue? anybody seen it before? |
| 21:07.05 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.11 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, |
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| 21:08.28 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: In that case you have no configured it and it would have used your "normal" MTA. Which one do you use? |
| 21:08.49 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: fwiw, run "reportbug --configure" now to prevent this from happening again. |
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| 21:17.56 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, |
| 21:18.08 | AlexLikeRock | say: |
| 21:18.10 | AlexLikeRock | Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send mail to the Internet? |
| 21:18.11 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 21:18.19 | AlexLikeRock | Yes or NO ? |
| 21:18.26 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: "no" |
| 21:18.38 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: You want it to use Debian's SMTP servers. |
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| 21:25.15 | AlexLikeRock | done |
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| 21:25.27 | set-deb-res | heys guys i did a desktopless installation (wheezy) and now i am stuck with a very low resolution can someone guide me what to do for a 1920x1080 resolution.i in fact want the default desktop but don't remember that tasksell command |
| 21:25.28 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, how to see my last text i write ? |
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| 21:25.41 | centrx | set-deb-res, tasksel |
| 21:25.50 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Answer my earlier question regarding your MTA |
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| 21:26.25 | set-deb-res | centrx: ok :) thank you so much |
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| 21:26.39 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, sorry , its confused |
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| 21:26.53 | AlexLikeRock | what its the answer ? |
| 21:27.00 | babilen | set-deb-res: What do you want to install? Asking the bot about <install x> <install gnome> <install xfce> and <install kde> might be all you need. (/msg dpkg install x) |
| 21:27.09 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Which MTA do you use? |
| 21:27.23 | AlexLikeRock | what its MTA ? |
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| 21:27.29 | AlexLikeRock | e-mail ? |
| 21:27.44 | centrx | www.google.com/search?q=mta+linux |
| 21:27.45 | set-deb-res | in fact i am installing the whole desktop |
| 21:27.52 | set-deb-res | babilen the whole desktop |
| 21:28.50 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Haha, okay. MTA is a mail transfer agent and essentially the "mail server" that is installed on your box. If you haven't installed one yourself you will use exim4 and a nice cheat sheet is to be found at http://bradthemad.org/tech/notes/exim_cheatsheet.php |
| 21:29.09 | babilen | set-deb-res: What constitues "the whole desktop" ? |
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| 21:29.57 | set-deb-res | babilen: it is the desktop which is installed by default |
| 21:30.06 | babilen | set-deb-res: I am simply saying that you don't have to use the sledgehammer approach of installed the desktop task, but that you can opt for a more fine grained one by actually installing what you want. See those factoids I pointed out for more information. That being said: If you are happy with the Desktop task I am happy. |
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| 21:30.35 | set-deb-res | babilen: in fact what i wanted was that |
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| 21:31.26 | set-deb-res | babilen: but wheen i found myself inside a very unknown teritory i was scared to death an thought that i should stick with what i know :) |
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| 21:32.26 | FeriKe | Is pulseaudio the only soundsystem for debian kde? |
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| 21:33.06 | set-deb-res | babilen: i am looking at a 1920x1080 capable monitor with a 600x something resolution |
| 21:33.45 | babilen | set-deb-res: Sure, I understand. I was simply offering a bit, well, too much information apparently. |
| 21:33.52 | babilen | set-deb-res: Fair enough. My recommendation right now would be to install the following packages: xorg gdm3 gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 21:33.59 | babilen | set-deb-res: Which graphic card do you have? |
| 21:34.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | FeriKe: no, you could use ALSA directly |
| 21:34.25 | set-deb-res | babilen: i have an onboard radeon |
| 21:34.28 | FeriKe | Eduard_Munteanu, So these two? |
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| 21:34.50 | set-deb-res | babilen: its ok i already run tasksel and started installing desktop |
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| 21:36.25 | babilen | set-deb-res: Okay, you will need to install firmware-linux-nonfree for that GPU. For that you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list with, say, "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" and make sure that you have non-free enabled. A suitable sources.list would be http://paste.debian.net/83392 -- once you've done that run "apt-get update" and install that package with "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 21:36.55 | babilen | set-deb-res: I would also strongly recommend to install microcode for your processor (think bug fixes for your CPU) -- Do you have an Intel or an AMD one? |
| 21:37.10 | set-deb-res | babilen: amd |
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| 21:37.45 | rottles | wait |
| 21:37.50 | babilen | set-deb-res: The problem with the installation of the desktop task is that it is quite tricky to remove packages installed by it later. That was one of the reasons why I recommended the "install packages you want" approach. But I'll be quiet about that now :) |
| 21:37.52 | rottles | you can install microcode? |
| 21:38.09 | babilen | set-deb-res: In that case also run "apt-get install amd64-microcode" |
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| 21:38.33 | babilen | rottles: Yes, and I would strongly recommend to do so. See "/msg dpkg microcode" for a little more information. |
| 21:38.38 | rottles | can you reprogram the microcode to act like arm? |
| 21:39.05 | babilen | rottles: I mean it might be that your firmware is recent enough, but those packages will do no harm in that case. |
| 21:39.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | FeriKe: not really, but they aren't general purpose (jackd) or a good idea (OSS). |
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| 21:39.32 | set-deb-res | babilen: thank you |
| 21:39.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | They don't really fall into the same category. |
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| 21:40.52 | FeriKe | thanks |
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| 21:41.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | FeriKe: to illustrate what I mean by same category, Pulseaudio actually uses ALSA |
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| 21:52.50 | jeremi | ice video about: how connect with ssh via TOR network...high anonymously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRH1etWcbqA |
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| 21:54.41 | infogulch_ | why are there 8 torrent iso download images? |
| 21:55.06 | infogulch_ | is there not a single image i can download? |
| 21:55.11 | centrx | infogulch_, Where is this? |
| 21:55.47 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, File: /var/log/mail.err |
| 21:56.20 | babilen | infogulch_: What do you need an image for? |
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| 21:56.26 | infogulch_ | https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 21:56.53 | babilen | infogulch_: I really doubt that you need all 8 DVDs (but then you might not be online) |
| 21:57.12 | AlexLikeRock | Feb 19 10:43:56 taller exim4: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 21:57.12 | AlexLikeRock | Feb 21 11:19:12 taller exim4: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 21:57.22 | infogulch_ | so i won't need more than the first iso? |
| 21:57.45 | babilen | infogulch_: You don't even need that. Do you want to install Debian? Do you have a working internet connection? |
| 21:58.15 | infogulch_ | i'm installing debain on a VM. yes i have an internet connection |
| 21:58.45 | babilen | infogulch_: *All* different images simply differ in their package selection and the pre-selected desktop environment they install. The DVD set contains *all* packages in Debian main. |
| 21:59.03 | infogulch_ | ah i see |
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| 21:59.34 | infogulch_ | there's a couple places that ask you to download via torrent to save server bandwidth -- which i'm fine with, but it's not clear what i should download |
| 21:59.44 | babilen | infogulch_: In that case I would recommend the netinstall firmware. It also comes in a version with firmware, but you probably won't need that for VMs. See <install debian> <netinst> <firmware image> for details (/msg dpkg install debian) |
| 21:59.57 | babilen | infogulch_: Do you already know which desktop environment you want to install? |
| 22:00.18 | infogulch_ | no |
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| 22:02.20 | babilen | infogulch_: Fair enough. Enjoy the installation. |
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| 22:02.29 | infogulch_ | thanks |
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| 22:06.15 | rottles | haw ahaw ahaw |
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| 22:06.42 | rottles | know how you can use qemu-arm-static to chroot into an arm env on x86? |
| 22:07.02 | zykotick9 | babilen: i was under the impression that as of wheezy the dvd set did not include *all* packages, and jigdo was required for that... am i mistaken? |
| 22:07.47 | babilen | zykotick9: Yeah, not all DVDs are generated and on the mirror (but I think that the torrent set is complete, haven't verified that though) |
| 22:07.53 | zykotick9 | babilen: not that it really matters, to me. i use netinst. but i'm curious. |
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| 22:08.35 | zykotick9 | babilen: i believe the torrent set is the same, not complete... thanks for the info though. |
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| 22:09.20 | babilen | zykotick9: Ah, yeah. That might be. I should probably check that one day so that I have this information available if it is ever needed again :D |
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| 22:17.10 | OpenTokix | Anyone know why the security.debian.org apt-sources is so terribly slow over ipv6? |
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| 22:19.12 | d3lxa | in the netinstall what's the difference between partition name and label? |
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| 22:20.39 | OpenTokix | d3lxa: Partition name is for the actual partition, and the label is a optional name you can give the filesystem |
| 22:20.52 | rottles | im writing a partita for partition |
| 22:21.00 | rottles | in C |
| 22:21.03 | rottles | ...major |
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| 22:21.23 | d3lxa | OpenTokix: I know there is the -L option for ext4 but where does the partition name come from/how is it set? "actual partition"? |
| 22:21.29 | d3lxa | you mean in GPT? |
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| 22:22.08 | OpenTokix | Not sure what you mean with partition name come to think about it. - Can you give an example? |
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| 22:22.47 | d3lxa | OpenTokix: in the netinstaller I created partition, I can set a name but don't know what it is |
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| 22:23.24 | OpenTokix | How did you create it? - LVM maybe? |
| 22:23.36 | d3lxa | OpenTokix: manual formatting |
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| 22:24.13 | tremon | I'm not sure exactly what the installer partitioning tool allows, but yes, the gpt partition layout allows you to name a partition (36 characters). It is purely informational however |
| 22:25.15 | d3lxa | okay, so that's it thx, I did name=label, hope it won't put me into trouble |
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| 22:27.13 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: Is it true ipv6 the whole way, or does it tunnel? |
| 22:27.53 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: both |
| 22:28.28 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: That's an either/or question. If it tunnels, it's not true ipv6 |
| 22:29.15 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: If it tunnels, the tunnel(s) is the weak link, if it's true, somebody's botched their configuration. |
| 22:29.35 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: From what I have seen, one of the two ips are _very_ slow |
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| 22:30.01 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: Which one? |
| 22:30.01 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: I have native ipv6 everwhere except home, at home I tunnel - but the tunnel is very fast everywhere else (I use it _a lot_ ) |
| 22:30.10 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: I am not sure, but I think I have to investigte |
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| 22:31.00 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: Most ipv6 drops down to 4 at some point. There are very few network-wide 6 networks, and definitely not overseas. |
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| 22:31.39 | Dagger | wat |
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| 22:35.01 | Dagger | (do you have URLs I can test?) |
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| 22:38.18 | CraigA | hello people |
| 22:38.29 | CraigA | https://dsa.debian.org/howto/drac-reset/ |
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| 22:38.41 | CraigA | that above link mentions "Get a copy of the drac-stuff directory in root's homedir on grieg, rautavaara etc" |
| 22:38.44 | CraigA | how do I do that :/ |
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| 22:42.45 | jhutchins | OpenTokix: A couple of us on google fiber have noticed that ping to google.com is <2ms, while ping6 is >25ms. |
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| 22:43.02 | Kobaz | fun |
| 22:43.07 | MACscr | ok, im seeing an error during boot about ipmi on wheezy. Unfortunately i didnt catch it all and im not seeing anything in syslog or dmesg about it. I do know that ipmievd dev is not running after boot and i have to manually restart it in order for ipmitool to work. How should i go about finding out if its set to start at boot? |
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| 22:44.08 | jhutchins | MACscr: dmesg | less and see if you can find it. |
| 22:44.40 | tremon | CraigA: seems they forgot to mention the first step, "become a Debian Systems Administrator" :) |
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| 22:44.45 | CraigA | lol |
| 22:44.49 | MACscr | jhutchins: i tried 'dmesg | grep -i ipmi' and it didnt find anything |
| 22:44.59 | CraigA | i need those drac utilities to reset an old drac4 root pw :/ |
| 22:45.02 | zykotick9 | MACscr: if you want to see the real bootlog, check "/msg dpkg bootlog" for details |
| 22:45.28 | tremon | CraigA: you can try asking them through debian-admin@lists.debian.org |
| 22:45.35 | CraigA | thanks tremon |
| 22:45.44 | jhutchins | !bootlog |
| 22:45.44 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
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| 22:51.48 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: Probably because they use cheaper paths for ipv6, I have noticed many isps doing that. |
| 22:52.00 | OpenTokix | jhutchins: or have few:er ipv6 enabled paths |
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| 22:52.17 | SebastianJose_XD | hola |
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| 23:07.45 | d3lxa | is this possible to see, in the aptitude interface, the distribution of packages that are/will be installed? |
| 23:08.27 | d3lxa | (for installed seeing: "stable"/"testing" etc, and for installing/upgrading, eg: stable->testing) |
| 23:09.08 | Arrowmaster | yes but not by default |
| 23:09.40 | Arrowmaster | youll have to dig into the docs to find the options since i lost my custom settings a while back |
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| 23:10.06 | themill | d3lxa: btw you shouldn't be mixing stable and testing and you shouldn't use aptitude for the stable->testing upgrade |
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| 23:11.20 | d3lxa | themill: I'm all hearing, what to use then? |
| 23:11.47 | themill | for major upgrades, apt-get will usually do a better job (at the moment) |
| 23:11.49 | d3lxa | the 'g' key itches :P |
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| 23:22.00 | Blue1 | anyone familiar with true crypt? I am trying to install from here: http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads and I get a Glib-CRITICAL : g_str_has_prefex" assertion str != NULL failed |
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| 23:23.29 | grimeton | Blue1: isn't there a truecrypt package in debian? |
| 23:24.56 | Blue1 | grimeton: I couldn't find one |
| 23:25.18 | Blue1 | anyway if you install it as root it works |
| 23:25.29 | Blue1 | issues with gksudo I guess |
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| 23:31.23 | Blue1 | ahh here is what I found: TrueCrypt is not currently available in the repositories for various reasons (possibly licensing). However, it is opensource and free for you to use. You need to download it from: http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php |
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| 23:31.53 | frostschutz | current versions of cryptsetup have some limited support for truecrypt stuff |
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| 23:34.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | What is truecrypt-specific stuff, aside from hidden volumes? |
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| 23:35.51 | gasull | Why is update-manager not in testing? |
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| 23:36.47 | tremon | gasull: http://bugs.debian.org/707696 |
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| 23:37.21 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:37.53 | mrdeb | can someone pls fix pnmixer to have checkbox mute correct |
| 23:37.55 | mrdeb | thank you!! |
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| 23:39.12 | Bublik2002 | have any of you guys set up mythtv? |
| 23:39.21 | themill | mrdeb: irc still isn't the place for bug reports. |
| 23:39.33 | zykotick9 | grimeton: almost no distro includes truecrpty (kali does), it's not even considered Open Source by many (they use the term Source Available) |
| 23:39.37 | Bublik2002 | i currently use windows media center with a ceton card to record shows as well as being able to watch recorded and live tv from an xbox 360 in other rooms of the house instead of paying rent for cable boxes. I would like to switch to linux but I need the functionality of windows media center for being able to watch live tv in other rooms. Can it do the same thing? |
| 23:40.07 | mrdeb | themill: thank you!! |
| 23:40.26 | gasull | tremon: thanks |
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| 23:41.39 | m09 | I'm currently trying to install wine, and keep getting errors that wine32 isn't installed when I runa program with it. When I try to install wine32 it has uninstallable dependencies. Does anyone know a fix? I'm running testing 64bit. |
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| 23:42.42 | centrx | Why does fbpanel use more memory than xchat... |
| 23:43.12 | Nik05 | whats fbpanel? |
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| 23:44.59 | kcodyjr | what manpage am i looking for to change network configuration on debian wheezy |
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| 23:45.34 | nkuttler | kcodyjr: man 5 sources.list |
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| 23:45.56 | zykotick9 | kcodyjr: if you're using /e/n/interfaces see "man interfaces" |
| 23:46.07 | tremon | m09: you need to enable multiarch and install the 32-bit version of wine |
| 23:46.14 | tremon | http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ |
| 23:46.17 | centrx | Nik05, desktop panel: http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:46.23 | kcodyjr | Zyf_Too, thank you, that's what i was looking for |
| 23:46.27 | nkuttler | kcodyjr: ew, sorry, interfaces.. |
| 23:46.44 | m09 | tremon: I have already multiarch enabled (for skype) and when I try to install wine32 it spits on me about uninstallable deps:( |
| 23:46.56 | tremon | !tell m09 -about multiarch |
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| 23:47.35 | klys | there is a way to add user@hostname to xauth; I don't still have a copy of how to do that. anyone |
| 23:47.36 | tremon | m09: 1) you need wine:i386, not libwine32 2) if you have dependency problems installing m-a packages, make sure you're fully up-to-date first (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 23:48.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | klys: for what purpose? |
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| 23:48.23 | m09 | tremon: my system is up to date and when I install wine:i386 I get an error, I'll paste it to show you |
| 23:48.36 | klys | to authenticate programs like xterm from another user |
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| 23:49.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | klys: don't do that, instead add those users to ~/.xauth/export and it will do it automatically when you switch users |
| 23:49.14 | m09 | tremon: https://gist.github.com/m09/9146157 |
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| 23:49.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | klys: I mean it will work when you su to one of the users in that file |
| 23:50.00 | tremon | klys: also, man xhost |
| 23:50.34 | klys | what about the way for other hosts on the network |
| 23:50.38 | klys | k |
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| 23:51.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | klys: that's rather insecure |
| 23:51.33 | klys | idc |
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| 23:51.55 | tremon | m09: can you paste the output of: 1) apt-cache policy 2) apt-cache policy wine wine:i386 wine32:i386 |
| 23:52.05 | m09 | sure |
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| 23:52.58 | tremon | m09: I'm guessing your mirror is in the middle of updating, as 1.6.2-7 is not fully in testing yet (it's in unstable yet, according to my system) |
| 23:53.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | klys: then look at xhost's manpage |
| 23:53.21 | klys | ...will do |
| 23:55.14 | m09 | tremon: https://gist.github.com/m09/9146157 |
| 23:55.29 | m09 | tremon: it made me realize that I didn't clean my sources in a long time, at least that's a good thing already :D |
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| 23:57.07 | johnfg | hey folks |
| 23:57.49 | johnfg | How do you query what versions of a pkg are available, viz., php, wanting a more current version than is on wheezy. |
| 23:58.05 | tremon | m09: well that was spectacularly unhelpful :) . All I can guess at this moment is that some of wine's dependencies haven't fully migrated to testing yet, but it's hard to pinpoint. Normally I'd ask for aptitude -s install $pkg, but aptitude's dependency resolution in multiarch cases is even worse than it usually is |
| 23:58.13 | mrdeb | website has it |
| 23:58.56 | tremon | johnfg: for one, packages.debian.org. Or /msg judd versions php5 |
| 23:59.03 | m09 | tremon: ok, well anyway thanks for trying to help. I'll let it rest for some time to see if it improves :] |