| 00:00.21 | Brigo | drac_boy: can you copy&paste in your computer? |
| 00:00.44 | drac_boy | ok try http://fpaste.org/79693/39319987/ |
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| 00:01.58 | drac_boy | brigo I don't have vnc or rdp up yet...mainly due to that being lower on the todo list from the wifi part |
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| 00:03.10 | Brigo | drac_boy: but you dont need them to update whezzy, dont you? |
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| 00:06.30 | drac_boy | brigo that was in response to "can you copy&paste" .. which obviously is a no :) |
| 00:07.18 | drac_boy | at least its only the enable-wifi-card that seem to be an issue here..everything else's working just fine |
| 00:07.19 | Brigo | drac_boy: ah, ok. |
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| 00:07.51 | Brigo | you can try to comment all the lines in your souce.lst and add a standar repository. |
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| 00:08.24 | Brigo | like ftp.debian.org or ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 00:08.55 | drac_boy | that actually is what the installer suggested for the default domain |
| 00:09.02 | dvs | !ftp.debian.org |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg_ | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 00:09.05 | Brigo | :-) |
| 00:09.22 | centrx | Use http.debian.net |
| 00:09.30 | dvs | agrees |
| 00:09.39 | Brigo | drac_boy: you can use the "deb cdrom" again |
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| 00:10.15 | Brigo | centrx, dvs, didnt know, sorry :-) |
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| 00:10.18 | drac_boy | mm |
| 00:10.33 | drac_boy | I'll look tomorrow perhaps..spent long enough getting desktop running anyway |
| 00:10.37 | drac_boy | ty anyway |
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| 00:11.26 | owen1 | how to map ctrl key to escape? adding this line xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' -e 'keycode 0x42 = Escape' & in .xinitrc didn't do anything. |
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| 00:11.43 | Brigo | you are wellcome |
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| 00:14.30 | nabblet | Hi, my sound stutters from time to time. tried kernel backport. tried differnet formats, sources, players. tried with and w/o pulse. tried different buffer sizes. tried video. nothing helps. i can prevent stuttering my constantly moving the mounse though :/ i don't know what to do anymore... apart from moving the mouse |
| 00:14.56 | nabblet | s/my/by |
| 00:15.23 | nabblet | I use debian 7.4 |
| 00:15.32 | Brigo | did you try to buy another soundcard? |
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| 00:15.48 | nabblet | Brigo: it's a lenovo ideapad s12 |
| 00:15.50 | nabblet | laptop |
| 00:16.37 | nabblet | Brigo: i can not recall having trouble like this back when i used ubuntu, but i didn't test ubuntu |
| 00:17.18 | Brigo | nabblet: :-) |
| 00:17.30 | user3 | hello, i just booted with gnome live cd and its in fallback mode. lsmod shows nouveau is installed. could there be something wrong with my video card? its a new gtx 660 |
| 00:17.52 | nabblet | i tried with linux mint live system (the debian based) and had same issue |
| 00:18.00 | nabblet | Brigo: why :-) ? |
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| 00:18.06 | user3 | oh so its meaningless |
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| 00:19.09 | user3 | well the only reason i booted the livecd is i am having video (possibly compositor) problems in gnome 3.10 in fedora, so i wanted to try 3.4 in wheezy to see if the same issue is happening |
| 00:19.26 | user3 | i wonder if there is a way to install the video drivers in the live cd |
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| 00:21.05 | Brigo | shawn\: the livecd is readonly ... |
| 00:21.58 | stojic | nabblet: Tried using boot parameter noapic? |
| 00:22.36 | shawn\ | Brigo: yes but it makes a ramdisk which you can install software to. its just going to go away when you reboot |
| 00:23.07 | shawn\ | so the question is, is it possible to install video drivers and restart x or will a reboot be absolutely neccsiary |
| 00:23.10 | Brigo | shawn\: but do you know if nouveau support your card? |
| 00:23.45 | Brigo | shawn\: no you can restart X with new drivers without reboot for sure. |
| 00:23.54 | Brigo | shawn\: no, you can restart X with new drivers without reboot for sure. |
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| 00:24.33 | shawn\ | Brigo: ok thanks, i guess i will just have to install it then |
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| 00:25.27 | nabblet | stojic: will try |
| 00:25.44 | Brigo | shawn\: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 00:26.31 | jhutchins | shawn\: Nvidia requires a KMS module to be loaded in the kernel. If you can load that successfully with modprobe, you should then be able to start X without rebooting. |
| 00:26.42 | shawn\ | i guess this video card is just bunk |
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| 00:27.39 | Brigo | bunk? |
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| 00:28.06 | shawn\ | a lemon |
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| 00:28.59 | Brigo | :) |
| 00:29.10 | shawn\ | a $200 lemon |
| 00:29.16 | Brigo | XD |
| 00:29.18 | shawn\ | ;_; |
| 00:29.55 | jhutchins | shawn\: Actually, Nvidias are decent cards, it just takes some work to set up the drivers. |
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| 00:30.55 | shawn\ | i am going to upload a couple of videos to youtube |
| 00:30.58 | shawn\ | of my issue |
| 00:30.59 | Brigo | well, it should be easy with nouveau. |
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| 00:31.34 | shawn\ | its so hard to explain, it doesnt matter gnome or xfce, nouveau or non-free |
| 00:31.41 | Brigo | shawn\: you can try with nvidia drivers, may be a nouveau issue ...., |
| 00:31.44 | shawn\ | it actually gets worse with non-free |
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| 00:31.59 | roboman2444 | blah |
| 00:31.59 | Brigo | shawn\: ah, so, you have a problem, yes. |
| 00:32.07 | roboman2444 | im having trouble getting this driver installed |
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| 00:32.13 | roboman2444 | its the intel e1000e driver |
| 00:32.16 | shawn\ | yeah windows drag around like theyre in honey |
| 00:32.22 | jhutchins | shawn\: You could try to describe it. |
| 00:32.29 | roboman2444 | compiles and installed correctly, but when i ifconfig, only lo shows up |
| 00:32.30 | shawn\ | and chrome extensions have significant delay |
| 00:32.34 | roboman2444 | lsmod shows the module loaded |
| 00:33.17 | shawn\ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXgvUUmOJ8o |
| 00:33.26 | Brigo | roboman2444: and cat /proc/net/wireless ? |
| 00:33.32 | roboman2444 | its an ethernet card |
| 00:33.43 | Brigo | roboman2444: and cat /proc/net/dev so. |
| 00:33.45 | shawn\ | this is what happens without compositing |
| 00:33.46 | cylon_ | its awesome steam taking the linux step for gaming, it's going in the right direction, will be so awesome when i can get rid off Windows for ever :) |
| 00:33.55 | roboman2444 | ok, what should i do after that? |
| 00:33.59 | shawn\ | the effect with compositing is add a really long delay to that |
| 00:34.14 | Brigo | there is a network card there? |
| 00:34.31 | Brigo | shawn\: this video is private. |
| 00:34.32 | roboman2444 | brb |
| 00:34.38 | stojic | shawn\: gtx 650 works fine here with Wheezy, but I don't use compositing. It should be similar to gtx 660 but with fewer cores. I use nvidia driver from wheezy-backports. |
| 00:34.47 | shawn\ | try noew |
| 00:34.48 | shawn\ | now |
| 00:34.56 | Brigo | roboman2444: sorry, brb? |
| 00:35.11 | cylon_ | stojic: yes it should work great. Im running GTX 780 titan and it's working amazing |
| 00:35.13 | Brigo | ok |
| 00:36.00 | nabblet | stojic: hm, others sound promising too... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common_Kernel_Options |
| 00:36.16 | shawn\ | is that video loading for anyone? maybe its not done uploading |
| 00:36.32 | Brigo | shawn\: the first one, yes. |
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| 00:37.31 | nabblet | stojic: rebooting... brb |
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| 00:37.37 | roboman2444 | Brigo, it shows an eth1 |
| 00:37.43 | shawn\ | well should i RMA this card? |
| 00:37.53 | roboman2444 | and brb means be right back... my computer is on the other side of my house from this one |
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| 00:39.47 | Brigo | roboman2444: so you have your ethenet car running, congratulations :-) |
| 00:40.04 | Brigo | roboman2444: and thanks for brb meaning. :-) |
| 00:40.10 | Brigo | roboman2444: now you should configure it. |
| 00:40.12 | roboman2444 | not showing up in ifconfig... im guessing i have to edit /etc/network/something and change eth0 to eth1 |
| 00:40.23 | roboman2444 | or can i just make that card eth0? |
| 00:40.42 | ted20 | Hello all |
| 00:41.06 | Brigo | roboman2444: you can do both, buy i dont remember how to change eth1 to eth0 |
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| 00:41.24 | Brigo | so better edit /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
| 00:41.37 | Brigo | ted20: hi, what about your disk? |
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| 00:42.36 | Brigo | roboman2444: if you want my help :-) |
| 00:42.39 | ted20 | Uuuhhh |
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| 00:42.57 | ted20 | My disk.... Work yet... |
| 00:42.57 | ted20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.01 | ted20 | My uptime... |
| 00:43.19 | ted20 | & I can't make backup... |
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| 00:52.13 | \shawn\ | maybe the compositor here has fixed whatever the issue was |
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| 00:53.03 | nabblet | whoever gave me that hint about noapic for booting to get rid of stutter in sound - THANK YOU! things look... err sound better so far. i hope it will stay true after s'moar testing :) |
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| 00:53.51 | Brigo | nabblet: nice :-) |
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| 00:54.46 | nabblet | Brigo: how did you know about noapic ? |
| 00:54.51 | nabblet | had a similar problem? |
| 00:55.07 | Brigo | nabblet: not me, was stojic |
| 00:55.43 | nabblet | Brigo: oh yeah... it's 2 AM at my place, time to listen to Mr. Pillow |
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| 00:56.03 | Brigo | yes, of course, i go to go too :-) |
| 00:56.09 | nabblet | stojic: thank you for your hint. it's promising. how did you happen to knwo about it? |
| 00:56.12 | stojic | nabblet: No problem, I looked up your laptop on linux laptop wiki, noapic was mentioned there in a different context. |
| 00:56.20 | stojic | nabblet: http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_ideapad_s12 |
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| 00:56.45 | stojic | nabblet: see 3) in notes |
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| 00:57.41 | nabblet | stojic: wow... you have now idea how many pages i read and what kind of odd things i already tried... but never had the idea to look precisely for my model. always kept it general with alsa, pulse and what not |
| 00:58.08 | owen1 | i have an issue with searching on the terminal using '/'. let's say i am reading the man page for tmux - `man tmux`. when i hit /<foo> it doesn't highlight foo so it's hard to find stuff. any clues |
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| 00:58.15 | owen1 | ? |
| 00:58.41 | nabblet | owen1: just for testing, try other virutal terminals too |
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| 01:00.12 | Brigo | time for me, bye! :) |
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| 01:00.47 | nabblet | bye |
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| 01:04.18 | nabblet | stojic: thank you 1000 times for that great find, i had trouble with it for more than a month now... couldn play music at all :/ i really hope this settels it. backports looked probising too but that hope was crushed few hours later... |
| 01:04.51 | nabblet | stojic: so thank you again! |
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| 01:05.20 | stojic | nabblet: No problem at all, it was the anonymous linlap wiki editor that solved the problem ;-). |
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| 01:06.15 | nabblet | stojic: true. but what's the worth of information if you don't know it exists at all :) |
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| 01:06.21 | shawn1 | http://youtu.be/-HgB22k6Yew ok heres with the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 01:06.28 | tankjr | hello |
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| 01:07.47 | owen1 | nabblet: i found the problem. it was fixed when i removed this line from .bashrc - 'export TERM=screen-256color'. the problem if i remove this line my vim colorscheme looks like poop (solarized).. |
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| 01:08.04 | nabblet | owen1: :) |
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| 01:08.17 | owen1 | nabblet: any suggestion? |
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| 01:10.29 | nabblet | owen1: do you have a .Xressources file? |
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| 01:11.27 | nabblet | owen1: i am not an expert, but .Xressources has a lot to say when it comes to colors in terminals. |
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| 01:11.42 | nabblet | owen1: the arch wiki has good article about it |
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| 01:12.54 | stojic | shawn1: If this only happens with chrome you might try tinkering with some of its flags. |
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| 01:13.34 | shawn1 | stojic: build flags? |
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| 01:13.45 | shawn1 | er |
| 01:13.50 | shawn1 | flags? |
| 01:14.11 | stojic | shawn1: Config flags, visit chrome://flags in chromium, there's a lot about compositing and GPUs there. |
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| 01:14.41 | shawn1 | ok thank you !! i had no idea |
| 01:14.59 | shawn1 | i was about ready to take this gpu out and burn it |
| 01:15.02 | shawn1 | :( |
| 01:15.30 | stojic | No problem, it just looks like chrome does something wrong there. |
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| 01:19.03 | mdel_ | hey all - what is the proper image to use for installing testing from the internet via usb? |
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| 01:21.56 | blanco | you know of those people with a face that everyone wants to punch |
| 01:22.02 | blanco | that's ubuntu |
| 01:22.31 | der0b | good thing there's a ton of choice :) |
| 01:23.14 | blanco | you sound like you use fedora |
| 01:24.47 | der0b | I use whatever suits, debian, rhel as well as derivs like centos and ubuntu |
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| 01:25.17 | blanco | rhel for the win |
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| 01:27.00 | blanco | what about windows, do you use windows? |
| 01:27.37 | owen1 | nabblet: i use .Xdefaults. taken from solarized as well. let me move it to xresources |
| 01:27.48 | xmetal | i use a number of distros her e... some in vbox, just to test/"try them out" |
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| 01:29.34 | der0b | blanco, I do, everything tends to have a role. I also use osx (I have a lot of love for a MB pro notebook [especially when work pays for it!]) |
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| 01:31.12 | blanco | i only use windows |
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| 01:31.27 | blanco | i want to use a distro, i really do |
| 01:31.37 | blanco | but it is so limited |
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| 01:32.19 | blanco | no games, silverlight, and apps |
| 01:32.23 | der0b | limited in what way? If you require Windows software (i.e. you can find an equiv on another OS) then yes, you need Windows |
| 01:32.35 | der0b | well, "no" isn't accurate |
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| 01:32.49 | der0b | Linux just doesn't have what YOU need |
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| 01:33.07 | der0b | Have you looked for replaement apps? |
| 01:33.24 | blanco | there is no substitute |
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| 01:33.25 | port | for added security, I am trying to add a GRUB password to my system as recommened here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html , however it recommends editing the file /boot/grub/menu.lst, but that file does not appear on my install. I know i could just make the file myself, but i was wondering why it isnt there and if that is a problem |
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| 01:34.12 | der0b | fair enough, then be sure to keep Windows around :) |
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| 01:35.38 | themill | port: that file is specific to grub version 1 not grub2 that you have in wheezy |
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| 01:37.21 | port | themill: so do i need to do anything with grub2 as far as setting a grub password or anything? |
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| 01:38.53 | blanco | nobody needs linux! |
| 01:38.56 | blanco | NOBODY! |
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| 01:39.40 | themill | port: You'd need to configure this elsewhere. /etc/grub.d/ at a guess but I can't say I've ever paid much attention to this as the boot loader password generally isn't that helpful. |
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| 01:39.57 | port | themill: ok, thx |
| 01:40.11 | der0b | troll. boring. |
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| 01:45.31 | smrtz|nix | Hey, I just installed for the first time, and all I've got is weechat, and tmux, not even set up correctly. Can someone help me install a super lightweight window manager I can use to use a browser in, so I can figure out how to finish setting this up please? |
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| 01:53.44 | Dan39 | hey running Debian 7 on dedicates server. it was being DDoSed for few minutes but has stopped. weird thing is now i cant seem to do any outgoing connections |
| 01:54.01 | Dan39 | i have rebooted the box, still no outgoing connections |
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| 01:54.07 | Dan39 | iptables is blank... |
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| 01:54.22 | centrx | Dan39, Could it be more than just a DDOS? |
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| 01:54.48 | Dan39 | centrx: how so? |
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| 01:55.31 | smrtz|nix | Hello? |
| 01:55.33 | centrx | Dan39, Either your ISP has shut down your connection because of the DDOS, or your system state has changed. |
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| 01:55.45 | centrx | smrtz|nix, I use openbox |
| 01:55.56 | centrx | smrtz|nix, apt-get install openbox |
| 01:55.57 | Dan39 | centrx: thats what my only guess was, the DC is blocking it somehow |
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| 01:56.11 | smrtz|nix | centrx: will that install xorg and everthing too/ |
| 01:56.15 | Dan39 | centrx: i am ssh'ed into it and communicating fine tho, seems incoming connections are established fine |
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| 01:58.37 | centrx | smrtz|nix, Presumably |
| 01:58.43 | centrx | smrtz|nix, You can do: apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:59.04 | centrx | smrtz|nix, you must have skipped the task selector for "Desktop environment" during installation :) |
| 02:00.27 | smrtz|nix | centrx: thanks. Actually I downloaded the straight debian ISO. I'm switching from being on Arch Linux for a few years, so I felt like I could figure out how to install one, but I'm just going to use openbox while I set everything up, then switch to something else later. |
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| 02:01.29 | centrx | Dan39, My other theory is there was an unauthorized entrance into the server |
| 02:01.38 | centrx | Dan39, Assuming the DDOS was in fact targetted at your machine |
| 02:01.46 | centrx | Dan39, Someone would have some reason to crack it |
| 02:01.56 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 02:02.09 | Dan39 | what to look at? cuz if they could i assume they are smart enough to clean logs |
| 02:02.39 | Dan39 | i checked logs and didnt see any successful logins besides me |
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| 02:04.06 | centrx | Dan39, You cannot connect even to some internal IP? |
| 02:04.45 | Dan39 | hmm internal Ips seem pingable |
| 02:05.12 | centrx | Dan39, Are you able to ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:05.19 | centrx | Dan39, i.e. is it possibly a DNS problem? |
| 02:05.24 | Dan39 | nope |
| 02:05.34 | Dan39 | DNS seems to work fine |
| 02:06.12 | centrx | Seems like it would be an ISP/hosting provider issue |
| 02:06.18 | Dan39 | dam |
| 02:06.30 | centrx | Dan39, Unless something is truly messed up with your routing tables, you could search for something like clear routing tables |
| 02:06.41 | centrx | Dan39, But I would think if you can connect to an internal IP, that wouldn't be it |
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| 02:10.24 | smrtz|nix | centrx: can you tell me how you configured openbox to run after installing it please? |
| 02:10.55 | centrx | smrtz|nix, It should just work, right-click on the desktop for a menu |
| 02:11.07 | centrx | smrtz|nix, I also use fbpanel for a taskbar, pager, menu, clock, etc. |
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| 02:11.42 | smrtz|nix | centrx: from a tty, you run openbox to start it, right? |
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| 02:11.51 | centrx | smrtz|nix, startx |
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| 02:12.21 | centrx | smrtz|nix, It should be set as the default window manager if it is the only one installed, but you might have to add it to .xinitrc with the last line: exec openbox |
| 02:12.51 | seeker61 | trying to unzip debian wheezy install and it says I do not have a application to unzip the file but I have gzip installed |
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| 02:13.18 | centrx | seeker61, What is the file name? |
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| 02:13.36 | seeker61 | i want to burn it to a cd so I can install wheezy at boot |
| 02:13.53 | centrx | seeker61, Okay, you want to download the ISO and then burn that to a CD |
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| 02:15.32 | seeker61 | centrx: yes that is correct so where do I get the ISO I was on the debian site |
| 02:15.45 | smrtz|nix | centrx: your .xinitrc has "exec openbox" in it, right? |
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| 02:16.10 | centrx | smrtz|nix, Yes |
| 02:16.15 | smrtz|nix | centrx: thanks. |
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| 02:16.38 | seeker61 | centrx: file name is debian-cd_info.tar.gz |
| 02:16.46 | centrx | seeker61, For the complete ISO images, https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 02:16.51 | centrx | seeker61, For the net install, https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 02:17.42 | centrx | debian-cd_info.tar.gz -- isolinux help screens for CD (graphical) |
| 02:18.35 | seeker61 | centrx:thanks i will go there |
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| 02:23.31 | smrtz|nix | thanks for the help centrx |
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| 02:23.51 | port | in BleachBit, is it ok to run BleachBit as root and delete everything in APT? |
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| 02:24.58 | abrotman | port: This seems like something you would ask them? not sure what you mean by "everything in apt" though |
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| 02:25.27 | centrx | You are welcome |
| 02:26.08 | port | abrotman: APT is one of the options to clear in BleachBit, i thought this option was debian specific, having something to do with apt-get |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | would think if you're using something like bleachbit, it's time to use a liveCD and lose all state when it shuts off |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | port: Sure, but I still don't know what "everything" means .. There are many parts of apt |
| 02:27.17 | port | what does you comment mean by 'lose all state'? |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | unrelated to your problem |
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| 02:28.33 | seeker61 | what is a good iso burner in squeeze |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | in what GUI or CLI? |
| 02:29.06 | centrx | seeker61, FYI if you are upgrading from squeeze you don't need to get an ISO |
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| 02:29.18 | port | abrotman: ok, i will reach out to bleachbit directly, thx |
| 02:30.14 | seeker61 | centrx: ok i have backed my files up and was going to update but was reading that grub had problems in the upgrade |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | read where? |
| 02:31.29 | seeker61 | in some of the debian forums |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 02:32.34 | seeker61 | so i have a 20 gig that has an old debian and was going to do a fresh install on it to just see |
| 02:33.21 | seeker61 | so i am hearing from u guys that the upgrade is fairly straight forward and has no problems |
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| 02:33.57 | dvs | 20gigs? It doesn't sounds like a hardware computer. |
| 02:34.21 | seeker61 | a very old hard drive |
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| 02:34.37 | seeker61 | i have a 60 gig i am running my squeeze on |
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| 02:35.26 | xmetal | had an old pc that had issues booting (someone gave it to me) ... even puppy had issues |
| 02:35.29 | xmetal | but it almsot worked |
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| 02:37.28 | mns | port: if you look at /usr/share/bleachbit/cleaners/apt.xml you can get an idea for what its going to do. It doesn't look like it will be destructive, just clears up caches for you. |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | which then forces them to be downloaded again, seems silly/dumb |
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| 02:39.49 | port | mns: thx much |
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| 02:42.24 | port | what software would you recommend to create backups on debian for easy restore? |
| 02:42.55 | mns | abrotman: it deletes from /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb which in my case is already empty since I do an aptitude clean after I do an upgrade. |
| 02:42.59 | dvs | rsync |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | mns: ah, i thoughtyou meant the Packages.gz caching |
| 02:44.14 | abrotman | isn't sure how that is personal data, but okay! |
| 02:44.44 | blackjack | hi abrotman, what are your thoughts of crunchbang ? |
| 02:44.55 | dvs | Use Debian |
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| 02:44.59 | abrotman | blackjack: it's OT here, that's about all I have to say about it |
| 02:45.05 | mns | I dont either. all its doing is autoclean and autoremove. |
| 02:45.11 | blackjack | whats OT |
| 02:45.16 | blackjack | sorry. im poor with acronyms |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | Offtopic |
| 02:45.28 | port | abrotman: how do you do the aptitude clean? |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | blackjack: Do you have a question about Debian? |
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| 02:45.42 | abrotman | port: just like that "aptitude clean" |
| 02:45.51 | port | abrotman: thx |
| 02:45.56 | blackjack | but it is. they say. purely debian as well abrotman. |
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| 02:46.10 | abrotman | blackjack: they're liars .. Do you have a question about Debian? |
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| 02:46.21 | blackjack | ops |
| 02:46.33 | abrotman | excuse me? |
| 02:46.39 | blackjack | nothing at all. all my vps are debian:) |
| 02:46.50 | blackjack | i just thought its of the same breadth |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | You're wrong. |
| 02:47.07 | blackjack | but why they document it as debian |
| 02:47.11 | blackjack | if its false. |
| 02:47.16 | blackjack | isnt it that illegal. |
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| 02:47.25 | abrotman | blackjack: Ask them, it's offtopic here, last warning |
| 02:47.33 | blackjack | ok ok |
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| 02:49.09 | mns | port: for backups you've got: backupninja, deje-dup, backup21, backuppc, duplicity/duply combo, etc etc. |
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| 02:49.36 | port | mns: any specific one that you have worked with before and would recommend? |
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| 02:53.59 | mns | port: I hate to admit it, but I've not backups since I stopped being a sysadmin almost 20 years ago. Wwe used to use Amanda at that time. I did try deja-dup either with Debian/Gnome3 or Ubuntu/unity don't remember. It was all right. |
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| 02:57.43 | mns | port: actually deja-dup uses duplicity on the backend, so I would try duplicity with deja-dup or duply. If you're doing things over the network, there is bacula as well. |
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| 02:58.54 | port | mns: so i would be looking to install two programs and configure them to work together? |
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| 02:59.23 | abrotman | port: what are you backing up to? and what are you backing up? |
| 02:59.27 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 02:59.37 | neilthereildeil | how can i view the last few packages that i installed in debian? |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:00.05 | port | abrotman: i was just trying to make periodic backups of my system so that, as I go editing things, in case i screw up I can restore |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | that didn't answer my questions, but okay! |
| 03:00.30 | dvs | port: Then rsnapshot is for you. |
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| 03:01.08 | dgeary2 | is there a way to look at the answers given to the questions in the installer environment? |
| 03:02.06 | dgeary2 | alternatively, is there a complete list of debian installer preseed options? |
| 03:02.58 | abrotman | dgeary2: does the install manual have a complete set? |
| 03:03.35 | port | dvs: why do you recommend rsnapshot |
| 03:03.42 | mns | port: you can use duplicity on its own if you want to. duply is a shell front-end to it. deja-dup is a GUI front-end to it. you use only one. |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | port: have you read the docs? |
| 03:04.07 | port | abrotman: im trying to look through it now, takes a bit to go through them though |
| 03:04.21 | dgeary2 | the install manual is very light on the topic of preseeding. the example preseed file referenced is pretty good, but doesn't have the particular option that i need |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | port: you still haven't answered my questions, which may help choose one for you |
| 03:04.29 | port | mns: ok, thx much |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | dgeary2: in the appendix I mean |
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| 03:05.32 | port | abrotman: im not sure how to answer your question, all i can say is that i want a simple/easy/quick way to restore my system in case i change or edit something and then some element of the system crashes and i am unable to solve the problem |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | port: sounds like you want snapshots, not backups |
| 03:06.17 | dvs | yup |
| 03:06.18 | port | abrotman: ok, what would you recommend for snapshots? |
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| 03:06.31 | port | what dvs recommended? rsnapshots? |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | A little Panansonic camera .. they take nice snapshots |
| 03:06.46 | mns | port: apt-cache search backup --> will give you a lot of backup related utilities (along with packages who description mentions backup as well) but that should give you an idea about the number of utilities out there for backup and so you'll get 10 different answers from 10 different people about what is a good way to backup. |
| 03:06.58 | dvs | port: That's exactly what it does. It copies files every so often. |
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| 03:07.16 | dgeary2 | abrotman, ok, the appendix appears to cover the example preseed file with much more explanation |
| 03:07.32 | abrotman | dgeary2: Seems good then? |
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| 03:07.37 | port | mns: understandable |
| 03:07.46 | port | dvs: thank you much |
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| 03:07.54 | mns | port: apt-cache show rsnapshot will give you a better idea :) |
| 03:07.58 | dvs | no prob |
| 03:08.18 | dgeary2 | abrotman, the question i want to answer is 'continue without a default route?' |
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| 03:09.12 | dgeary2 | i want to answer yes, as i have a caching proxy on the local network that i want to use. the proxy does have a default route to the internet |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | dgeary2: you may have to ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | runs away |
| 03:09.38 | dgeary2 | ok, thanks for the info |
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| 03:31.07 | dgeary2 | in answer to my own question, 'nano /var/lib/cdebconf/templates.dat' |
| 03:31.08 | sime | hi |
| 03:31.14 | sime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.14 | sime | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.28 | sime | seems that there is a lot that i use in the list |
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| 03:33.20 | centrx | sime, The autoremove lists packages that were automatically installed as a result of dependencies (not selected for installation by yourself) |
| 03:33.54 | centrx | sime, It might contain packages that you do use. You can run apt-get install <package name> to remove those from the list (apt-get install will not re-install an already installed package) |
| 03:35.01 | sime | I'm mainely concern about not to break gnome |
| 03:35.38 | centrx | sime, You must have uninstalled the gnome metapackage(s) or those would not appear in the list? |
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| 03:36.38 | sime | i did try some apt-idontremember to try to get wine use 32bit library, i hope i did not get it fucked |
| 03:38.06 | sime | well thx, i'll apt-get install every packet listed as space si not an issue |
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| 04:26.44 | YabaDabaDoge | is dpkg bot up? |
| 04:27.48 | centrx | dselect: hello |
| 04:27.49 | dselect | privet, centrx |
| 04:27.58 | centrx | YabaDabaDoge, It is called dselect for now |
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| 04:30.06 | YabaDabaDoge | my isp's DNS servers are behaving badly and suggestions on a good North American DNS server? |
| 04:30.33 | nightfly | 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:31.12 | YabaDabaDoge | is there any difference in speed between 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4? |
| 04:32.54 | cafuego | YabaDabaDoge: Add both |
| 04:34.24 | YabaDabaDoge | anyone other than google? |
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| 04:35.05 | centrx | OpenDNS |
| 04:35.40 | rjsalts | YabaDabaDoge: 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:36.03 | rjsalts | YabaDabaDoge: apt-get install unbound |
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| 04:36.52 | themill | wouldn't recommend opendns |
| 04:37.17 | rjsalts | opendns insert ads on responses that should return an NXDOMAIN |
| 04:37.18 | YabaDabaDoge | y? to restrictive? |
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| 04:37.38 | YabaDabaDoge | oh |
| 04:38.42 | YabaDabaDoge | why would your ISP return an NXDOMIAN on normal sites? |
| 04:38.51 | rjsalts | whereas google are just mining statistical data to get market demographic data |
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| 04:39.01 | YabaDabaDoge | google and opendns can resove it |
| 04:39.53 | centrx | OpenDNS sends you to a search page if the domain does not exist |
| 04:39.54 | dbb0 | hello, i seem to be having some trouble with i2p. the router is running, and the router console is up, but i can't open any .i2p addresses |
| 04:40.04 | centrx | My ISP does that too though unfortunately.. |
| 04:40.25 | dbb0 | iceweasel just says loading for some time and then drops to about:blank |
| 04:40.38 | rjsalts | YabaDabaDoge: I can't think of any reason you'd get NXDOMAIN, SERVFAIL maybe. What's the domain? |
| 04:41.02 | YabaDabaDoge | bitcoin related sites |
| 04:41.13 | themill | some tools say "nxdomain" when they mean "servfail" |
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| 04:45.44 | YabaDabaDoge | In the bandwith wars I wonder if ISPs will fail to resolve video services that don't pay them? |
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| 04:50.21 | rjsalts | YabaDabaDoge: #debian-offtopic might be better to discuss that than the support channel |
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| 04:50.46 | YabaDabaDoge | sorry |
| 04:51.10 | MailisHard | Anyone here experienced with "advanced" sendmail involving virtual domains? |
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| 04:52.03 | rjsalts | MailisHard: sendmail is a requirement? postfix or exim are not options? |
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| 05:20.44 | MailisHard | Would postfix or exim be better for my situation where I want to support multiple domains on my server? |
| 05:21.25 | MailisHard | Currently I'm having an issue where it will only accept external mail for the host.server.com domain, all others work internally only despite "proper" configuration. |
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| 05:23.29 | rjsalts | MailisHard: they're a lot easier to configure than sendmail and I think there are probably more people who've used them around now. But if you've got an existing sendmail install then it might depend on how complex it is as to whether it's worth switching |
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| 05:25.02 | Hackintech | MailisHard, do postfix |
| 05:25.05 | Hackintech | it's better. |
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| 05:29.14 | MailisHard | Postfix mail name..this sounds like it wants to adjust hostname because it says it will affect other programs. True or not? |
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| 05:32.07 | HeavyMetal | Hey I am trying the set the regulatory for wlan1 but all I get is "cfg80211: Pending regulatory request, waiting for it to be processed..." from dmesg output and iw reg get still shows 00 |
| 05:32.38 | HeavyMetal | what could be the cause of that? |
| 05:33.27 | rjsalts | MailisHard: you shouldn't need to change /etc/hostname or /etc/mailname if you're doing virtual domain on any MTA I'm aware of |
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| 05:35.27 | rjsalts | MailisHard: and other software will definitely use /etc/hostname ( e.g. syslog ). /etc/mailname will probably only be used by local mail submission ( e.g. sendmail to unqualified recipient, mutt and other command line mail clients ) |
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| 05:36.38 | smrtz|nix | I'm trying to change the default font to terminus size 16. Can someone help me out please? |
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| 05:43.13 | eb0t | hey i have just updated and upgraded my debian wheezy and now i cant watch you tube vidoes |
| 05:43.20 | eb0t | what should i do |
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| 05:45.06 | rjsalts | eb0t: check what about:plugins tells you about the flash plugin you're using |
| 05:47.13 | eb0t | sorry rjsalts its working now |
| 05:47.19 | bullgard4_ | [Wheezy] The contents of /proc/sys/kernel/ctrl-alt-del is '0'. Where is described the effect of this setting? |
| 05:47.24 | eb0t | i just had to shut down iceweasel and start it back up |
| 05:48.55 | smrtz|nix | I'm trying to change the default font to terminus size 16. Can someone help me out please? |
| 05:49.01 | Blue11 | ugh iceweasel |
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| 05:50.47 | bullgard4_ | smrtz|nix: I don't think that there is only one "default font" in Debian. Which one do you mean more precisely? |
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| 05:52.28 | smrtz|nix | bullgard4_: I mean the consol font. |
| 05:52.51 | smrtz|nix | bullgard4_: maybe global font would be the right term? |
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| 05:59.22 | buu | smrtz|nix: The font in which console? |
| 05:59.49 | smrtz|nix | buu: Like, the font when I open a terminal, and before I startx. |
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| 06:01.30 | buu | "There is a utility for altering fonts and terminal encodings called consolechars." |
| 06:01.46 | buu | "There is a utility for altering fonts and terminal encodings called consolechars." |
| 06:01.49 | buu | sigh |
| 06:01.51 | buu | "These two utilities and corresponding data files are packed in Linux Console Tools http://lct.sourceforge.net/ shipped with many Linux distributions. |
| 06:02.33 | majuscule | bullgard4_: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/plain/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt (search for ctrl-alt-del) |
| 06:02.53 | buu | smrtz|nix: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/6.2/chapter07/console.html |
| 06:02.57 | smrtz|nix | buu: so I have to install the whole LCT package? |
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| 06:03.42 | smrtz|nix | thanks buu |
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| 06:08.06 | bullgard4_ | majuscule: Yes indeed. - Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 06:13.32 | majuscule | bullgard4_: glad to help :-) |
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| 06:41.14 | Okee | How do I get a temporary file to cooperate? I am trying to send someone an email with 5 attachments, and I am receiving an error message "Unable to open the temporary file /blah/blah/name.docx. Check your 'Temporary Directory' setting." What is strange about this is that the files being attached are not in the temporary folder, and on a completely different drive than the drive with the /tmp folder. |
| 06:41.44 | Okee | I can't send the email. I don't see how this is a permission problem, since the files attached are not temp files. |
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| 06:45.04 | bullgard4_ | Okee: Your email program might consider files in /tmp/. - I would try to cat the file /blah/blah/name.docx. and see if you can draw conclusions from its contents. |
| 06:46.24 | Okee | bullgard4_>What do you mean by conclusions? 4 of the 5 files are pdf's, stored in a different drive. The fifth file is .docx I really don't draw any conclusions from this. |
| 06:47.09 | bullgard4_ | Okee: Can you read the contents of /blah/blah/name.docx. with your eyes? |
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| 06:48.45 | abrotman | Okee: Which email program ? |
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| 06:49.31 | Okee | bullgard4_> One of the two .docx files won't open up. I am going to try and reattach it. I am using IceDove (Thunderbird -- the latest), and was offered to me from someone who submitted this version for testing. I am running Debbie stable. |
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| 06:50.00 | abrotman | Okee: find the Config, look for the "Temp" directory in the settings |
| 06:50.08 | abrotman | there's an advanced option in there somewhere |
| 06:50.19 | abrotman | suspects the directory it's set to doesn't actually exist |
| 06:50.26 | abrotman | also runs away |
| 06:51.43 | Okee | abrotman> The email is now transmitting, and the problem was fixed, by removing the .docx file that wouldn't open up, and reattaching it. |
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| 07:12.39 | aton` | i installed a fresh system using debootstrap (partitioning: biosboot, boot, root) installed grub and rebooted and i get error: no such device: 60ec.. (uuid) |
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| 07:13.16 | aton` | there are a lot of different "solutions" to this problem in forums, none of which makes a lot of sense to me |
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| 07:14.28 | deb1an | i just finished installing the debianxfce on my workstation... do i have to install graphic card driver seperate? NVIDIA Corporation GT200b [GeForce GTX 285] ? |
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| 07:18.25 | bullgard4_ | deb1an: It depends on if Debian has found automatically a suitable driver for it. |
| 07:19.26 | deb1an | bullgard4: lspci shows the card.. but i don;t think it uses the right driver |
| 07:19.31 | deb1an | how can i make suer? |
| 07:20.35 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I use iptables on Debian Wheezy and need to redirect port 22 (for security) so the "ssh port" be like 18457 for example |
| 07:20.44 | bullgard4_ | deb1an: Check the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:21.01 | dimitry7 | I do this: A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 18457 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:21.10 | dimitry7 | but it doesn't work, any help? thank you!!! |
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| 07:22.31 | Tlin | dimitry7, why you don't start sshd with port 18457 ? |
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| 07:23.28 | dimitry7 | Tlin, because there are many scripts using 22 by default, 18457 will be only for two weeks for a special access to one member who will be away. |
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| 07:23.35 | aton` | dimitry7: just edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf to put sshd on a different port |
| 07:23.55 | deb1an | bullgard4: seems its detecting but i have an issue, when log out its just goes freeze and restore... strange.. here is the pastebin "http://pastebin.com/nmTy500f" |
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| 07:24.24 | dimitry7 | aton`, yes that is an option, but I can't take it since there are script running on 22, conecting and disconnecting... and 17458 will be temorary. |
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| 07:24.29 | dimitry7 | only for a worker |
| 07:24.44 | dimitry7 | is there a way to do the redirection? |
| 07:24.53 | deb1an | also i would like to add virtualbox and i guess i need to add it in the non-free repository.. for this what sort of repository i need to add it in /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 07:25.11 | dimitry7 | aton`, |
| 07:25.13 | dimitry7 | Tlin, |
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| 07:25.17 | dimitry7 | I tried this: https://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 |
| 07:25.21 | dimitry7 | but doesn't work :S |
| 07:25.22 | aton` | dimitry7: you can use ssh forwarding |
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| 07:25.59 | aton` | dimitry7: see -L option |
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| 07:26.03 | dimitry7 | ooh |
| 07:26.10 | dimitry7 | aton`, good!!! I will :D |
| 07:26.35 | dimitry7 | aton`, but I have a doubt, is it even posible to do it with IPtables? |
| 07:26.49 | aton` | it should be able with iptables |
| 07:27.14 | aton` | but the cleanest solution would be to start the daemon on a different port |
| 07:27.25 | aton` | thats 2 lines, even if temporary |
| 07:27.35 | dimitry7 | aton`, which ones? |
| 07:27.46 | dimitry7 | aton`, because the ones I tried don't work :S |
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| 07:28.26 | aton` | echo "Port 17458">>/etc/ssh/sshd_config && /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
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| 07:28.38 | aton` | dont copy paste that, your paths might be different |
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| 07:30.15 | redpill | dimitry7: Redirection -- http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
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| 07:35.27 | aton` | what am i doing wrong when blkid shows 3 partitions on /dev/nbd0, while ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ doesnt show /dev/nbd0 at all? |
| 07:35.45 | dimitry7 | aton`, perfect! Thank you so much :) |
| 07:35.53 | dimitry7 | redpill, excelent! Great help!! :) |
| 07:35.56 | dimitry7 | thank you! |
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| 07:36.06 | redpill | np |
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| 07:42.19 | \shawn\ | yo |
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| 07:42.42 | \shawn\ | is itnokay to have efi system partitions on each drive? |
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| 07:42.51 | \shawn\ | if each drive contains a different os? |
| 07:43.34 | dgriffi | could someone help me fix this? http://pastebin.com/cdGN8G58 |
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| 16:49.06 | jhutchins | Brody: Is the DVD that won't boot now the same one you used for the install? |
| 16:49.22 | Brody | mtn TJ- so to test if the DVD drive is not reading correctly, the only way to do this is to take it out and wire up a different one right? |
| 16:49.58 | Brody | jhutchins yes it is. the DVD installed mostly succesfully apart from installing GRUB. |
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| 16:50.05 | mtn | Brody: can you test with another disk? commercial movie or something would work best. |
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| 16:51.49 | Brody | mtn hmm let me think, the DVD drive was able to read the DVD with the image on it successfully from Vista and automatically started up the windows Debian installer program. |
| 16:53.19 | Brody | mtn so, ill have to unwire the dvd drive and plug it into a working pc and test it that way, correct? |
| 16:53.29 | berarma | Brody: I'm not following but maybe "boot from dvd" disabled and antivirus protection set in bios? |
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| 17:06.33 | Brody | theres a setting in the BIOS called Halt On. currently its set to [All, but Keyboard] and I could change it to [No Errors]. The help text says that this setting means the system boot wont stop for any errors. I dont know, will that help skip over the Verifying dmi pool data line? |
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| 17:07.27 | neo1691 | But weechat seems to have taken the colorscheme |
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| 17:08.25 | lexibq | neo1691: there is no need for the '.' inside the defs.. |
| 17:08.34 | lexibq | s/*./URxvt*/g |
| 17:08.57 | mjt | that's an incorrect regexp |
| 17:09.10 | mjt | "*" follows nothing |
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| 17:16.11 | TJ- | Biganon: If you're using LVM, you can extend the VG (and therefore the LV) across multiple disks |
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| 17:21.24 | jhutchins | Biganon: That's a great way to loose a lot of data at once. Given that you can get a 3.5TB drive for less than $100, why? |
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| 17:21.37 | Biganon | it's a seedbox |
| 17:21.43 | Biganon | I don't have physical access |
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| 17:22.44 | jhutchins | Biganon: Mount or symlink the second partition as a subfolder. |
| 17:23.32 | Biganon | I'm not sure whether my client will understand that it also has to look in the subfolder |
| 17:23.36 | Biganon | I'm pretty sure it won't |
| 17:23.56 | Biganon | but actually I can set the location of torrents individually so that's the solution |
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| 17:34.58 | Brody | One option I have is to 'Load fail-Safe Defaults' in the BIOS. Is that wise to try? |
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| 17:36.35 | TJ- | Brody: Yes, then you'll probably want to ensure the boot-order has the CD/DVD first |
| 17:37.22 | Brody | TJ- alright cool. there is also 'load optimized defaults'. |
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| 17:38.25 | TJ- | Brody: Try with fail-safe to begin with |
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| 17:39.23 | Brody | ah i have to go afk. thankyou all very much for the help. |
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| 17:44.53 | HisaoNakai | Is it just me or is Muon (KDE package manager) not in the Debian repositories? Any information on why not? o.o' |
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| 17:47.47 | daemonkeeper | The usual answer is "because nobody bothered" |
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| 17:49.06 | HisaoNakai | daemonkeeper: ...sad :( |
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| 17:49.21 | daemonkeeper | It's a community distribution. YOU could package it. |
| 17:49.50 | HisaoNakai | daemonkeeper: If only I knew how and had the time to learn :\ |
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| 17:51.51 | bertrik | \o/ gnome-desktop-environment is installable again |
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| 17:53.12 | Gr11 | Hi guys |
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| 17:53.25 | Gr11 | Can squid be used for distributed caching? |
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| 17:54.40 | Sbroker | gnome is dead... long like to kde |
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| 18:00.24 | Ravaillac | <HisaoNakai>: Hmm, the RFP is stalled since year of 2010 (see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605133). Since then, nobody wanted to become a maintainer for Muon. |
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| 18:03.17 | redsn0w_ | I downloaded the image from the debian wheezy but to use the usb-creator to boot the pen drive it displays message invalid version string and error, I tried to do the same process by unetbootin but it hangs at 53%, does anyone have any solutions? |
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| 18:05.08 | mtn | redsn0w_: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 18:05.49 | Sbroker | redsn0w_, unetbooting |
| 18:06.01 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 18:06.01 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 18:06.18 | Sbroker | rered http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:06.21 | Gr11 | Any help guys? |
| 18:06.43 | redsn0w_ | Sbroker, I used unetbooting but it hangs at 53% |
| 18:07.00 | mtn | redsn0w_: yes, use dd. it is very easy |
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| 18:07.32 | redsn0w_ | yes it is easy, but he used it in the 53% error |
| 18:07.38 | redsn0w_ | unetbootin |
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| 18:07.44 | redsn0w_ | =/ |
| 18:08.09 | mtn | redsn0w_: right, don't use unetbootin |
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| 18:09.30 | redsn0w_ | mtn: I used both the usb-creator and unetbootin as both gave error, could give me some suggestion? |
| 18:09.52 | mtn | redsn0w_: you didn't see the link I sent you or the mention of using dd? |
| 18:09.59 | mtn | redsn0w_: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 18:10.34 | Sbroker | redsn0w_, donwload another iso and chek with md5sum |
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| 18:14.06 | HisaoNakai | Ravaillac: I see, thanks :) |
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| 18:15.06 | joshfng | Anyone have any experience with preseed files? |
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| 18:15.36 | joshfng | Running into a weird situation of needing to set a label on a partition using a preseed file, which is working fine, but the boot is failing because it can't find /dev/disk/by-label/LABELNAME |
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| 18:18.07 | Sbroker | aurrevoires |
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| 18:19.39 | ruukasu | I've been getting 403 forbidden on the Debian wiki for weeks now, is this issue just with me? |
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| 18:21.46 | mtn | ruukasu: the wiki is working fine |
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| 18:21.54 | ruukasu | hmm |
| 18:21.55 | ruukasu | weird |
| 18:22.10 | ruukasu | google caches still work fine for me, I guess I'll just use those :/ |
| 18:22.12 | cat_pants | Works for me as well |
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| 18:22.33 | mtn | ruukasu: or use a different dns |
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| 18:23.07 | ruukasu | mtn, did servers change recently or something? |
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| 18:23.50 | mtn | ruukasu: I am talking about whichever dns your isp uses. you could use opendns or google or so |
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| 18:24.06 | ruukasu | I'm using opennic |
| 18:24.40 | cat_pants | So there used to be a binary called "gnome-sound-applet" that seems to have had the name changed. Anyone know the new name for this applet? |
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| 18:36.38 | zh1 | my laptop screen is evry dark, how can i change luminosity and brightness of the screen on debian 7.4 wheezy? |
| 18:36.45 | zh1 | *very |
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| 18:39.52 | ajeremias | eii... ppl what happened to ffmpeg in jessie? :O |
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| 18:44.24 | centrx | ajeremias, uses libav now |
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| 19:25.02 | gandaliter | I repeat my earlier question. I'm trying to get OpenCL to work on two GPUs, an AMD Radeon HD 6950 and an AMD FirePro W7000. However I've never been able to get Debian to use the FirePro for anything. It is present in lspci, but I can't get X11 to use it, and OpenCL won't detect it either. Is it possible that I have a version of fglrx which doesn't work for the FirePro? |
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| 19:26.22 | Fragger | firepro looks like it uses different drivers per amd's site |
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| 19:28.48 | rhizome | hi, is installing hplip (and having it work) known to be a pain? |
| 19:28.51 | blarghlarghl | Hi all. I have an old sarge-derivative box here that I can sort of boot. I can ssh into it only with '/bin/bash -i' and when I'm logged in (as root), I can't do a lot. I can't mount (it errors telling me that only root can do that) and /etc/mtab doesn't exist. I'm guessing I'm stuck halfway through the boot process. |
| 19:28.57 | blarghlarghl | Any ideas on what to do from here? |
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| 19:29.29 | rhizome | blarghlarghl: hook a monitor and keyboard up to it |
| 19:29.31 | Brigo | rhizome, no, do you have some problem? |
| 19:29.46 | rhizome | Brigo: yes, hpmudext won't install, afaict |
| 19:29.55 | blarghlarghl | rhizome: it doesn't have plugs for that. |
| 19:30.08 | rhizome | it's at least a popular excuse when running hplip-gui, etc. |
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| 19:30.57 | Brigo | rhizome, firs time a see that. I use hplip without this package ... |
| 19:31.34 | Brigo | blarghlarghl, if you where stuck in the boot process you should be root. |
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| 19:31.48 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: Yeah, and I *am* root. That's why I'm so confused. |
| 19:31.53 | zh1 | !tell zh1 about dmm wheezy |
| 19:31.54 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: id tells me I'm root |
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| 19:32.41 | Brigo | blarghlarghl, and do you know why the systems get so bad? |
| 19:32.55 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: Not really. |
| 19:33.02 | Brigo | is the disk ok? |
| 19:33.09 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: Hardware is fine, I'm sure of that. |
| 19:33.57 | Brigo | i think is some kind of information lost ... |
| 19:34.13 | Brigo | may be some important package uninstaled or so. |
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| 19:34.24 | Brigo | or binary deleted ... :-/ |
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| 19:35.47 | EmleyMoor | zh1: /msg dpkg - you don't need to !tell yourself in public |
| 19:35.57 | gandaliter | Fragger: thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 19:36.01 | Fragger | gandaliter yeah I don't see a debian package for the firepro either, you will probably have to download the install from amd's website and build/do the install yourself to get it working |
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| 19:36.50 | Brigo | blarghlarghl, is the disk mounted read-only? |
| 19:37.00 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: No, it's read/write |
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| 19:37.58 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.16 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: no, i can't mount it at all |
| 19:38.35 | Brigo | that's one big problem. |
| 19:38.40 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: yeah :( |
| 19:39.31 | rhizome | Brigo: well, this is from a simple apt-get install hplip |
| 19:40.12 | blarghlarghl | Brigo: and /dev/pts isn't mounted either so i can't ssh in normally, (i have to use ssh foo@bar.com '/bin/bash -i') |
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| 19:40.51 | mtn | rhizome: what problem are you having with hplip? |
| 19:40.52 | Brigo | rhizome, this package are in the main section so you should can install it |
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| 19:42.08 | rhizome | mtn: hplip-gui complains about a missing module. i did think of something: i had installed from tar some time back, so i apt-get purge'd hplip and now going through a cleaning up anything that might be left by the earlier tar install |
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| 19:42.24 | mtn | rhizome: yes, that is a good idea |
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| 19:53.02 | rhizome | error: Failed to install 'hpmudext' package, please install manually. |
| 19:53.28 | rhizome | gonna try a reboot. HP is the kind of company who wouldn't code around that. |
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| 19:59.50 | mdel | hey all - is the Live CD image compatible with UEFI ? |
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| 20:00.21 | mdel | if I create USB media from the netinstall with dd, it mounts properly in my current OS and boots my machine |
| 20:00.32 | mdel | but the same does not work for the gnome Live CD for stable |
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| 20:00.44 | rhizome | mleh. /var/log/messages: HPLIP-Installation: Auto installation is not supported for debian distro 7.2 version |
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| 20:02.57 | mdel | it says it's a hybrid iso, but I'm ending up with an unknown partition after the dd |
| 20:03.01 | mdel | (on my usb) |
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| 20:04.36 | frikinz | Here hplip installed and works fine, but I'm using unstable package 3.14.1-1 |
| 20:04.39 | ompaul | mdel: turn off eufi |
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| 20:04.50 | mdel | ompaul: I'd like to use EFI |
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| 20:04.58 | ompaul | mdel: enjoy that |
| 20:05.14 | rhizome | frikinz: did you use the tarball? |
| 20:05.16 | mdel | ompaul: thanks! |
| 20:05.18 | ompaul | mdel: are you using apple or windows |
| 20:05.37 | frikinz | rhizome: last time I installed a tarball was several years ago. which tarball? |
| 20:05.41 | mdel | neither |
| 20:05.44 | \shawn\ | hey guys, is it easy to migrate an install to a ssd? |
| 20:05.58 | rhizome | the hplip 3.14, or did you apt it from an unstable repo? |
| 20:06.06 | mdel | ompaul: at least not yet - I'll probably install Win8 at some point if a VM isn't cutting it for testing |
| 20:06.09 | rhizome | "to apt" |
| 20:06.14 | frikinz | rhizome: package. I really avoid tarballs |
| 20:06.15 | ompaul | mdel: afik you can't |
| 20:06.19 | \shawn\ | can i just make all the mount points, copy everything preserving permissions, then chroot into it and update-grub ? |
| 20:06.46 | mdel | regardless, EFI is supposed to be supported as of debian-installer beta 3, and EFI is becoming the norm |
| 20:06.50 | mdel | so I'd like to use it |
| 20:07.04 | ompaul | well here we go - 7. is stable not a beta |
| 20:07.06 | \shawn\ | efi is the bees knees |
| 20:07.19 | ompaul | GPT allows big disk access |
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| 20:07.28 | ompaul | I see no need for anything else but that's me |
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| 20:08.14 | \shawn\ | mdel some usb sticks wont work as boot disks |
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| 20:08.33 | \shawn\ | my sandisk wont work but my kingston will |
| 20:08.33 | mdel | \shawn\: yeah indeed, my question is really about the LiveCD image vs the netinstall |
| 20:08.47 | mdel | netinstall copies cleanly to the drive, and boots without issue |
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| 20:08.53 | ompaul | and you can't get stable wheezy to be jessie |
| 20:08.57 | Ravaillac | <mdel>: The UEFI, as I believe, is still the experimental technology, so be prepared for the unexpected. |
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| 20:09.16 | mdel | the livecd doesn't seem to be generated in the same way, so dd is not producing a usable media |
| 20:09.18 | \shawn\ | last time i installed efi grub i did it manually. i can walk you through the basic steps |
| 20:09.44 | \shawn\ | i have done it several times with jessie |
| 20:09.47 | mdel | plenty of literature out there to get it working, and I've done it before, but thanks :) |
| 20:09.56 | mdel | I guess I just have to use the netinstall |
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| 20:13.31 | \shawn\ | this is what you need, get supergrub2disk and when you do the install forego the desktop, forego grub, youll want a fat32 /boot/efi partition in addition to a ext4 /boot partition, after install boot to the system with the supergrub2disk, update your sources to jessie, dist-upgrade, tasksel and install DE, then install grub-efi |
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| 20:15.23 | \shawn\ | the reason for the seperate /boot/efi and /boot is you want your kernel to be on a partition safe from windows, whereas the efi partition will be shared by windows so its a way to quarantine it |
| 20:15.32 | mdel | thanks \shawn\ that's pretty much what I'm doing |
| 20:15.46 | \shawn\ | and also the obvious, unix permissions in ext4 and not fat32 |
| 20:15.54 | \shawn\ | sorry... i drank too much coffee :) |
| 20:15.55 | mdel | I already have my /boot/efi setup from my existing install, the only issue is making the installable media that supports UEFI :) |
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| 20:16.12 | mdel | netinstall works, so that's fine |
| 20:16.31 | \shawn\ | mdel: you can boot the media bios with my method |
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| 20:16.44 | \shawn\ | you just have to boot off the supergrub2disk with uefi |
| 20:17.05 | mdel | ok yeah, I'll check that out if necessary |
| 20:17.08 | mdel | thanks again dude |
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| 20:18.17 | Mr_Comet | I use puppy linux and my wifi suddenly stopped working. Upon failed attempts. I checked in WinXp dell app. Interrupt and DMA Loopback failed in test. Is this a serious problem ppl? |
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| 20:20.46 | frikinz | dpkg based on debian |
| 20:20.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:21.12 | ompaul | !puppy linux |
| 20:21.12 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:21.52 | Mr_Comet | Okies thx u |
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| 20:22.09 | Mr_Comet | Thot I could try if the wifi issue is a general one or not |
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| 20:29.04 | joshu | Is overlayfs not supported on debian 6 |
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| 20:32.01 | n0c | hi there. what user do items put into /etc/rc.local run as? root? |
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| 20:32.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:32.24 | n0c | having issues with getting x11vnc to run from here with a logfile output option pointed under /var/log |
| 20:32.31 | n0c | keeps claiming it cannot write to the file |
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| 20:33.30 | codekK | Hello all i have a problem with XFCE 4.10 and Debian testing. My buttons for restart/shutdown/hibernate.. etc are disabled only enable the button of Close session. I follow xfce FAQ with sudo method and hal/dbus and dont solve my problem :S |
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| 20:35.58 | codekK | And if i do ck-list-session i have two session i think this isnt normal but dont know how solve it |
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| 20:36.53 | frikinz | n0c: probably because it switches to another unpriviledged user for security reasons (drops root) |
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| 20:37.16 | n0c | problem solved |
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| 20:37.42 | n0c | frikinz: i decided to just redirect it myself with &>/path/to/logfile instead of using their -o arg |
| 20:37.50 | n0c | frikinz: yeah prob |
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| 20:38.57 | thaicares | How can I make my wifi work with WEP even? |
| 20:39.33 | n0c | thaicares: if I remember correctly you'll have to set the wep key with iwconfig |
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| 20:40.06 | thaicares | n0c I have issues with wifi all the time even with wpa |
| 20:40.43 | thaicares | I want to fix it and only have a wep network close... |
| 20:41.13 | marsupap1 | When installing 7.4 installer fails in fetching packages from server. Syslog says at "Mirror doesn't support the specified release (wheezy)". I've tried multiple servers, but it ends like this every time. What should I do? |
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| 20:46.28 | melt7777 | Are these instructions still valid for 7.4 amd64? : http://debian.profijt.info/?page_id=54 |
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| 20:49.45 | ross` | is xombrero in any debian repositories |
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| 20:56.10 | athene_noctua | hi, if I am downloading debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso I am getting a single .iso image that will allow me to install a FULL version of debian, right? |
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| 20:56.51 | athene_noctua | I would be preferrable to do this installation without internet access for the base system installation |
| 20:57.49 | marsupap1 | Yeah, that should do the trick. |
| 20:58.08 | athene_noctua | I thought so but I wanted to be sure. :D |
| 20:58.30 | athene_noctua | I just got done installing a complete system only to find the hard drive I used is failing. |
| 20:58.35 | athene_noctua | Hooray! \o/ |
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| 20:59.16 | athene_noctua | ps. gnome classic hurts to look at |
| 20:59.36 | marsupapu | Then I challenge you to broke down your HD compeletely only using your keyboard! |
| 20:59.48 | marsupapu | Mate hurts little less. |
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| 21:03.03 | athene_noctua | broke down my hd completely? |
| 21:03.34 | athene_noctua | I am just gonna go with xfce, I know it works well on this older machine, simple but not incredibly ugly. |
| 21:03.57 | marsupapu | Xfce is great. |
| 21:04.07 | athene_noctua | :) yerp, I'm a fan. |
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| 21:05.07 | mdel | is stable still on gnome classic? |
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| 21:05.51 | athene_noctua | wheezy stable has gnome 3.4 but you can use classic (or forcefully revert to it, as it sometimes the case) |
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| 21:06.11 | Sir_Designer | athene_noctua i ratehr like the aesthetics of xfcxe (4.10). nothing ugly at all, let alone incredibly. :) |
| 21:06.12 | mdel | ah ok, I thought it was 3.x in stable |
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| 21:07.20 | athene_noctua | Sir_Designer: Oh, I like the aesthetic of xfce as well. I was commenting on the incredible ugliness of gnome classic! |
| 21:07.41 | Sir_Designer | athene_noctua ah. noted. no comment. |
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| 21:10.49 | [^RoLeN^] | [Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (Log:Pager) desde el 24 Feb 22:10:44 |
| 21:11.17 | mdel | im coming from cinnamon on Ubuntu, so I'm giving gnome 3 a shot |
| 21:11.24 | mdel | we'll see if that lasts |
| 21:12.10 | marsupapu | I installed debian with gnome 3 yesterday. I've made a huge mistake. |
| 21:13.54 | Brigo | marsupapu, well, you can unistall gnome3. |
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| 21:14.43 | marsupapu | And that's something I'm going to do right now. |
| 21:14.50 | marsupapu | I've seen enough :) |
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| 21:15.08 | mdel | you guys aren't filling me with confidence :) |
| 21:15.34 | centrx | Use openbox |
| 21:15.40 | centrx | or XFCE or LXDE |
| 21:15.59 | marsupapu | Gnome 3 divides people. Others think that it's the most advanced desktop enviroment ever, and then there are us. |
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| 21:17.26 | doebi | my network interface is RTL8111/8168/8411 but it doesnt work in my jessie, already installed firmware-realtek |
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| 21:21.58 | ross` | should i make holy water out of cursed 150 and 200 potions |
| 21:22.04 | ross` | oops wrong channel |
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| 21:22.37 | mdel | ross`: apt-get install ncursed-holy |
| 21:23.18 | ross` | mdel: do you know how i can get xombrero on debian |
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| 21:23.58 | mdel | ross`: no clue what or where that is |
| 21:24.20 | ross` | mdel: vim bindings browser apparently |
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| 21:24.28 | mdel | i bet you could build it ;) |
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| 21:36.30 | ddnnttll | hi all, can someone tell me the easiest way to rebuild my psmouse kernel module to include this patch? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158193010/patch |
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| 21:37.57 | boycottg00gle | ddnnttll: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 21:38.01 | melt7777 | can someone provide instructions for creating a persistent 7.4 amd64 debian usb stick, or are is this correct http://debian.profijt.info/?page_id=54 |
| 21:38.40 | ddnnttll | boycottg00gle: thanks |
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| 21:40.49 | [^RoLeN^] | [Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (30m) (Log:Pager) desde el 24 Feb 22:10:44 |
| 21:41.00 | jhutchins | melt7777: http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html |
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| 21:43.26 | maxyz | [^RoLeN^]: Please, mute your autoaway |
| 21:43.45 | melt7777 | jhutchins, excellent article - thank you for the link. |
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| 21:55.55 | JordiGH | I just got a recruiter looking for a Debian sysadmin in France. Anybody want me to forward it? |
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| 22:00.08 | JordiGH | Found it: https://lists.debian.org/debian-jobs/ |
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| 22:06.16 | Gregor | This is a super-long-shot, but I keep finding advice only for specific distros that doesn't work on Debian: Does anybody know how to get the multimedia buttons on a bluetooth headset working in Debian? Blueman applet is just telling me "Operation is not supported", and I have no idea what operation or why it isn't supported. |
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| 22:08.55 | jhutchins | Gregor: I would think the button support would be in whatever application was talking to the headset. |
| 22:09.35 | Gregor | Perhaps, but for even that much it would surely need to connect to the input service before it could hope to receive input. |
| 22:09.50 | codekK | Hello! Need some help i have installed Debian Jessie with slim+xfce 4.10. After few days after a update when i click the "Close session..." button i have the shutdown/reboot/hibernate.. disbabled. I follow the two steps on xfce wiki for configure sudo or dbus/hal and it dont take effect.. I discover than if i check for list sessions "ck-list-sessions" i have two session i thinks this is the problem but dont know how to solve it. Thank you! |
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| 22:13.34 | riceandb1ans | why the hell does gnome require bluetooth |
| 22:14.00 | riceandb1ans | if I remove gnome-bluetooth from a VM, it wants to bring all of gnome with it |
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| 22:14.31 | Arrowmaster | because the main gnome package has everything listed as a dependency |
| 22:14.41 | crushdepth | i just disable on startup, best i could find how to do |
| 22:14.50 | Arrowmaster | you can remove the package gnome and mark everything else as manually installed so it doesnt get removed |
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| 22:16.07 | riceandb1ans | how do you mark as manually installed? |
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| 22:17.37 | jhutchins | That system does seem a bit broken. Other distros may do metapackages differently. |
| 22:17.49 | hiyo | a bit ago I disabled openvpn from starting up at boot time but I lost the url for the tutorial on how to reverse it, can someone tell me how to turn it back on? |
| 22:18.27 | jhutchins | hiyo: Gnome? Unity? CLI? |
| 22:18.28 | Arrowmaster | if you are in the aptitude ui you can press M to mark them or aptitude unmarkauto <packagename> |
| 22:18.29 | crushdepth | apt-mark manual gnome-bluetooth? |
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| 22:18.52 | hiyo | jhutchins: cli of course, this is a server |
| 22:19.02 | ctmjr | bet he deleted the init script |
| 22:19.07 | jhutchins | rcconf or the like should have it listed. |
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| 22:19.32 | hiyo | I did something along the lines of updaterc-d remove openvpn |
| 22:19.41 | jhutchins | hiyo: That will also work. |
| 22:19.54 | crushdepth | update-rc openvpn defaults |
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| 22:20.58 | hiyo | thanks! that was it! |
| 22:21.07 | crushdepth | ;) |
| 22:21.17 | riceandb1ans | of, by the way, is sid going to have systemd default soon? |
| 22:21.19 | jhutchins | update-rc.d |
| 22:21.29 | crushdepth | update-rc.d yes my bad |
| 22:21.49 | jhutchins | Took me that long to find it. |
| 22:21.50 | hiyo | what does the update-ca-certificates command do? |
| 22:22.07 | jhutchins | hiyo: Really? Updates the CA certificates. |
| 22:22.12 | crushdepth | lol |
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| 22:22.38 | hiyo | as in how? because I know I put my certificate into /etc/ssl/certs so what would it do there? |
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| 22:22.56 | jhutchins | hiyo: Perhaps there is a man page... |
| 22:23.17 | crushdepth | it doesnt update ur certs, but the CA certs |
| 22:23.39 | hiyo | I have a CA :P |
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| 22:24.13 | hiyo | meh it puts it all in one file |
| 22:25.21 | hiyo | also can some tell me how to set my netmask to support the IP 10.0.5.0 |
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| 22:26.04 | jhutchins | hiyo: Netmasks are for sorting multiple addresses. |
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| 22:27.23 | tremon | hiyo: a single ip can be supported with a /32 netmask, but that's almost certain not what you need |
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| 22:29.03 | hiyo | tremon: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN I'm using this guide to setup OpenVPN on my server, but instaed of the IP being the one they have I want it to be 10.0.5.0 |
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| 22:30.26 | mcurran | Does anybody know the best log to search when you get gnome's "Oh, no. Something went wrong" message? I looked through most of my logs in /var/log, especially Xorg.log* etc. but cannot find anything specific on why my desktop won't boot up. II also disabled all my gnome-shell extensions by renaming the extensions directory, but I still get the same message and can only logout to a shell. |
| 22:30.40 | smyers | hiyo: If I understand correctly, you should be able to just replace every instance of 10.9.8 with 10.0.5 when going through the doc. |
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| 22:31.28 | mcurran | I know this is probably a #gnome question, but I'm hoping for more specific knowledge here for anyone with debian and gnome as their base who might have resolved another/similar issue by exploring logs related to this message |
| 22:31.47 | jhutchins | hiyo: What a netmask does is define a range of addresses that is "local". Anything local is sent directly to that address. Anything that is not local is sent to the default gateway. |
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| 22:32.20 | tremon | mcurran: the normal (unix) method is to log to ~/.xsession-errors. That doesn't say much about gnome though |
| 22:32.20 | hiyo | smyers: well teh script refuses to startup and when I checked the logs it says I have an incorrect netmask |
| 22:32.36 | jhutchins | hiyo: Your own address should be within the subnet you define, and should not be the broadcast or range address (first or last IP). |
| 22:32.45 | mikemonk | hello guys... which is the most secure way you can think of for making remote connections ("I don't know how would VNC stack up") |
| 22:32.51 | blarghlarghl | Hey, how do I install stuff using apt without manpages, docs, info docs, etc? I've got apt running on a busybox and I want the root to be as empty as possible. |
| 22:33.00 | mcurran | yes, so that anything is not local gets rerouted to remote from gateway, but why not just used local ip defs. vs. public ip defs.? |
| 22:33.05 | mcurran | quicker maybe |
| 22:33.16 | hiyo | jhutchins: so are you saying I should change it to 10.0.5.1? |
| 22:33.39 | jhutchins | mikemonk: ssh on obfuscated ports. |
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| 22:34.26 | crushdepth | ssh with private keys and password, tunneling if need be |
| 22:34.29 | jhutchins | hiyo: try that. |
| 22:34.37 | hiyo | okay |
| 22:34.39 | tremon | blarghlarghl: try looking up emdebian. There is no normal way to do that with debian proper |
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| 22:35.06 | jhutchins | hiyo: Sorry not to give you a more definitive answer, but it kinda depends on how strict the daemon is about checking addresses. |
| 22:35.20 | blarghlarghl | tremon: ah, interesting |
| 22:35.22 | jhutchins | hiyo: What netmask are you using? |
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| 22:35.57 | hiyo | jhutchins: the same one in the guide, 255.255.255.0 |
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| 22:36.08 | mikemonk | jhutchins, crushdepth: tunelling vnc through ssh on obfuscated ports then? |
| 22:36.32 | crushdepth | mikemonk: yes |
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| 22:36.54 | jhutchins | mikemonk: Well, without the VNC for me, but... |
| 22:37.00 | crushdepth | private keys! |
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| 22:39.56 | jhutchins | hiyo: So everything from 10.0.5.0 through 10.0.5.255 should be in the subnet; 10.0.5.255 is broadcast. |
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| 22:40.17 | jhutchins | hiyo: Not all systems will reserve 10.0.5.0 as the address of the subnet itself, but some will. |
| 22:40.32 | mikemonk | jhutchins, how should I go about wanting to use a browser in that other machine on my host? right now, I just want to browse more securely when using my laptop |
| 22:40.33 | hiyo | jhutchins: It still doesn't work :( |
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| 22:41.28 | n0c | yeah you're gonna want to shut that off, nobody cares [^RoLeN^] |
| 22:41.58 | mikemonk | i'm thinking about running tails on the remote machine, and make a VNC connection... can you guys think of a better alternative? |
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| 22:42.54 | jhutchins | hiyo: What happens if you do 255.255.0.0 or 255.0.0.0 for the netmask? |
| 22:43.00 | cafuego | mikemonk: ssh -D to the remote host; use the tunnel as socks proxy |
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| 22:45.19 | mcurran | Does anybody know the best log to search when you get gnome's "Oh, no. Something went wrong" message? I looked through most of my logs in /var/log, especially Xorg.log* etc. but cannot find anything specific on why my desktop won't boot up. II also disabled all my gnome-shell extensions by renaming the extensions directory, but I still get the same message and can only logout to a shell. |
| 22:45.27 | jhutchins | hiyo: I must say that guide is rather terse about what's supposed to be happening. |
| 22:45.38 | cafuego | mcurran: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:46.34 | mikemonk | cafuego, do you think tails on my remote host is just too much? and would be gaining nothing.... because of the compromise that the tunneling could pose? |
| 22:46.39 | jhutchins | hiyo: Here is the complete one: https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html |
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| 22:46.51 | mcurran | thank you cafuego |
| 22:47.17 | hiyo | jhutchins: 255.0.0.0 does not work also |
| 22:47.28 | jhutchins | hiyo: See in particular "Determining whether to use a routed or bridged VPN" and "Numbering private subnets". |
| 22:47.58 | mcurran | cafuego is that a pretty concrete answer or could did you have any others in mind specific to gnome-shell? so far i got that and dmesg |
| 22:48.12 | mcurran | I'll google, sorry - thanks for your input |
| 22:48.29 | cafuego | mcurran: Afaik, that's the one where X dumps any errors in the user session... not aware of any others. |
| 22:48.40 | cafuego | mcurran: If the error is in dmsg you have aserious problem ;-) |
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| 22:48.56 | jhutchins | hiyo: My best guess is that there's something that's not getting specified correctly and the netmask error is bogus. |
| 22:49.27 | jhutchins | hiyo: Unfortunately, it's been so long since I worked with it that the procedure has changed. |
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| 22:50.34 | hiyo | jhutchins: *sigh* I guess I'll figure it out eventually |
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| 22:52.39 | jhutchins | hiyo: When I did it there were ~2 configuration files and a broken script you used to set up each connection, then you edited the files to fix what the script did wrong, then you specified the connection by name. |
| 22:53.02 | jhutchins | hiyo: I understand that network-manager will work for the client end these days. |
| 22:53.50 | mikemonk | jhutchins, would a text browser running on the remote host be a better option than establishing a graphical remote connection? I haven't used a text browser before... so I'm not sure how much of a PITA it would be |
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| 22:56.26 | jhutchins | mikemonk: I don't know any details of what you're trying to do or the environment. It is possible to forward an individual application over ssh without running X on the remote. |
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| 22:57.13 | jhutchins | mikemonk: Why do you need to run a browser on the remote? |
| 22:57.32 | mikemonk | ok... I have debian 7.4 on my host... tails on my remote machine... I want to be able browse without leaving any trace on my host machine |
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| 22:59.22 | berarma | mikemonk: you can use private browsing mode on most modern browsers |
| 22:59.31 | berndj | i got debian-live-7.4-amd64-standard.iso and its sha256 is signed by 123900F2A9B26DF5, but that key has no non-self signatures. how do i check a bit harder? |
| 22:59.54 | mikemonk | berarma, that's not secure enough for me |
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| 23:00.52 | berarma | what are your requirements for full security? |
| 23:00.59 | jhutchins | mikemonk: If they can look at your histrory on your local machine, how can they not look at your history on the remote machine? |
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| 23:01.34 | d3lxa | for mutt users: what do you use to ask gnupg passpharse? how can mutt ask them, or should I use the gnome prompt again? |
| 23:02.04 | jhutchins | mikemonk: Perhaps the question is "What specific activity do you want to conceal from whom?". |
| 23:02.14 | mikemonk | jhutchins... they can't... however on my host I have persistent storage... I don't run my system on ram |
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| 23:02.54 | mikemonk | as opposed to my remote machine which runs tails |
| 23:03.51 | Dan39 | lol this is great, just got a PM from guy asking "hey do you have a copy of wheezy?" |
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| 23:04.08 | berarma | mikemonk: if you want to run your browser in a remote machine you could use X11 forwarding as someone told you already |
| 23:04.08 | jhutchins | giggles. |
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| 23:05.09 | Dan39 | mikemonk: whats this for? |
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| 23:05.44 | Dan39 | if you want to just proxy thru remote server, ssh -D works pretty well. creates a local socks5 proxy that goes thru ssh tunnel |
| 23:05.56 | Dan39 | thats what i use all the time |
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| 23:06.31 | berarma | mikeey: X11 forwarding is done with "ssh -X" |
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| 23:06.51 | cafuego | add -C as well for a bit more speed (cpu cycles are cheap) |
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| 23:07.19 | mikemonk | btw I have FDE, and like to think I've hardened my local system well... |
| 23:07.24 | mikemonk | im not if my paranoia for "trying to do what I just shared" could help me in having a more secure system in place? |
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| 23:08.35 | Dan39 | forwarding X wasnt too great in my experiences. it worked, but was sometimes laggy |
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| 23:08.54 | Dan39 | maybe -C would help with that |
| 23:09.04 | cafuego | depends on your network |
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| 23:09.04 | Dan39 | tho i didnt think X stuff used much bandwidth |
| 23:09.32 | cafuego | mikemonk: I feel I should ask if you ever browse web pages with flash apps on them. |
| 23:09.48 | Dan39 | im still a fan of using ssh -D :P |
| 23:09.50 | ixela | Dan39: uncompressed X protocl can eat some bandwidth up |
| 23:10.01 | Dan39 | cuz then you can also use that for proxying many other things, like irc :P |
| 23:10.02 | ixela | depends on what you're doing though |
| 23:10.29 | Dan39 | all my browsing and IRC goin thru a single ssh -D tunnel right now |
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| 23:11.42 | ixela | responsiveness of a remote X session depends on total available bandwidth. Local to our gigabit network, its great. Using my 4g mifi, its terrible and useless. |
| 23:12.02 | Dan39 | well i was doing it over the internet |
| 23:12.17 | Dan39 | 40mbit download i should get at least |
| 23:12.42 | Dan39 | usually speedtests to 60, but my box i proxy thru is in france, im in US |
| 23:12.55 | Dan39 | so its not as easy to get that 60 hehe |
| 23:13.45 | Dan39 | and of course if you want to do it the good proper way, setup a VPN :D |
| 23:13.55 | cafuego | Dan39: over the internet you're also dealing with latency |
| 23:14.19 | ixela | your upload speed is also a huge factor |
| 23:14.19 | Dan39 | yea and i dont think simple X forwarding is designed much for that |
| 23:14.29 | Dan39 | vs like NX which is i think |
| 23:14.30 | ixela | no, it wasn't |
| 23:14.36 | ixela | and yeah NX kind of was |
| 23:14.42 | ixela | i'm really liking turbovnc and virtualgl |
| 23:14.45 | Dan39 | NX works awesome across the world on a half-decent connection :D |
| 23:14.50 | Dan39 | ewww vnc |
| 23:14.57 | Dan39 | never had much luck with vnc running well |
| 23:15.00 | Dan39 | i mostly use x2go now |
| 23:15.28 | mikemonk | I i have 100mbps download/upload speed from my remote host... wherever I'm working from I can count on a 40mbps(download)/20(mbps upload)... what do you think? |
| 23:15.32 | Dan39 | x2go has been amazing. audio, printing etc. working pretty easily without much hassle |
| 23:15.54 | cafuego | mikemonk: I'd use ssh -D and be done with it. |
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| 23:16.15 | Dan39 | mikemonk: a VPN does sound like what you want in the long run tho |
| 23:16.20 | frikinz | d3lxa: by default I would expect mutt to ask the passphrase from stdin |
| 23:17.13 | mikemonk | that sounds fair... I'll play a little bit later with it |
| 23:17.17 | mikemonk | thanks guys |
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| 23:17.31 | d3lxa | frikinz: do you have your configuration or one similar somewhere? thx |
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| 23:17.49 | Dan39 | but ssh -D is fast and works well with anything that supports socks :D |
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| 23:19.19 | mikemonk | noted... heading home guys... maybe I'll see you a little bit later |
| 23:19.23 | mikemonk | thanks |
| 23:20.28 | frikinz | d3lxa: http://paste.debian.net/83922/ |
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| 23:22.20 | frikinz | d3lxa: http://paste.debian.net/83923/ |
| 23:22.27 | d3lxa | frikinz: thx |
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| 23:35.23 | frikinz | d3lxa: there are some non RFC compliant MUA that will inline GPG message in the message body, mutt should handle this (can't remember exactly how). then there are some stupid MTA (MS exchange for example) that will transform an encrypted MIME type into multipart MIME and for this, I haven't found a solution. |
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| 23:45.36 | tohuw | I need to determine what package(s) provide the binary "slappasswd". How might I efficiently determine this with dpkg or so? |
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| 23:46.52 | mtn | tohuw: apt-file |
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| 23:49.05 | tohuw | mtn: thanks! that works well. Oddly enough, it was in the package I expected, but I don't seem to have it. Hrm... |
| 23:49.21 | mtn | tohuw: yw |
| 23:50.13 | tohuw | Oh geez... /usr/sbin isn't part of my default path. It was there all along... where is my brain... |
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