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| 00:17.20 | stealthii | Hi, I've 4 interfaces, eth0, eth0.3, eth0.5, eth0.6. /etc/resolv.conf seems to take it's nameserver record from eth0.6. I want to use the one from eth0 |
| 00:17.28 | stealthii | every interface get's an IP over DHCP. |
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| 00:18.16 | Waheedi | ok guys simple I'm using this sudo kill -HUP 19845 to kill 19845 service with a normal sigterm as if you kill it with -9 or any other thing service will respawn it |
| 00:18.35 | Waheedi | the -HUP trick didn't work out the process stays alive |
| 00:18.44 | Waheedi | if you kill it with -9 it will respawn |
| 00:18.59 | Waheedi | and the service x stop command is broken |
| 00:19.19 | Waheedi | anyway i can kill this process in a fucking linux machine? |
| 00:19.30 | Waheedi | kill it forever no respawn |
| 00:19.35 | Mousey | find out what's respawning it |
| 00:19.47 | Waheedi | i know what is respawning it |
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| 00:19.56 | Mousey | tell it to stop? |
| 00:20.13 | Waheedi | Mousey: stop is broken because file have been changed .pid have been lost |
| 00:20.21 | Mousey | i meant figuratively |
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| 00:20.26 | naout | what is the command to see how much GB i have been used this month? |
| 00:20.57 | Waheedi | Mousey: i tried to communicate that |
| 00:21.00 | Waheedi | aint listening |
| 00:21.04 | Mousey | Waheedi: what's respawning it |
| 00:21.05 | Mousey | ? |
| 00:21.18 | Waheedi | service upstart |
| 00:21.29 | Mousey | oooooh |
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| 00:21.47 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( upstart? on debian? ) |
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| 00:23.03 | Waheedi | Mousey: any idea how to kill that process? |
| 00:23.30 | chattr | Waheedi: you want the process to never run again? what package installed the program which creates that process? |
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| 00:23.55 | Waheedi | chattr: the process is actually an outdated process have been running for long time |
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| 00:24.03 | Waheedi | no the .pid is gone somewhere |
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| 00:24.11 | chattr | Waheedi: ok, but that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:24.31 | TJ- | Waheedi: recreate it then |
| 00:24.48 | Waheedi | TJ-: it should just have the pid number |
| 00:24.50 | Waheedi | ? |
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| 00:25.02 | TJ- | Waheedi: yes |
| 00:25.02 | chattr | remove|purge the package Waheedi |
| 00:25.19 | Waheedi | chattr: its not a package buddy its a custom app with custom service.conf |
| 00:26.23 | chattr | Waheedi: well, if the package has a bug (that the service.conf stop part doesn't work), you should be talking to custom app's devs |
| 00:26.39 | chattr | s/package/custom app/ |
| 00:27.15 | Waheedi | chattr: ok u are very smart dude thank you |
| 00:27.20 | chattr | waif you want the custom app to never run, change the perms on the executable |
| 00:27.24 | Waheedi | now shut the fuck up |
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| 00:27.30 | chattr | Waheedi: if you want the custom app to never run, change the perms on the executable. and ty |
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| 00:27.50 | Waheedi | ok very smart |
| 00:27.51 | chattr | as you wish |
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| 00:29.17 | Waheedi | i will try it |
| 00:29.43 | Waheedi | :) |
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| 00:29.50 | Waheedi | chmod -x bitch |
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| 00:30.02 | Waheedi | it should work |
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| 00:31.33 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 00:31.33 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
| 00:32.34 | naout | [warn] ntop: interface 3000 is down ... (warning). |
| 00:32.34 | naout | [FAIL] Starting network top daemon: ntop failed! |
| 00:32.39 | naout | how do i fix it? |
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| 00:32.57 | Dan39 | interface 3000? o_O |
| 00:33.02 | Dan39 | what did you run? |
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| 00:33.19 | Dan39 | you want to see data used monthly get vnstat |
| 00:33.46 | Waheedi | chattr: it didn't work out |
| 00:34.06 | Waheedi | it seems upstart keeps a cached version of bin and service.conf? |
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| 00:34.40 | Waheedi | TJ-: creating the pid file in the same exact location didn't make the stop command to work |
| 00:34.40 | naout | Dan39: tried to install ntop, how do i fix interface 3000? |
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| 00:34.51 | Waheedi | stop is still broken and i don't want to have to deal with it now |
| 00:34.59 | Waheedi | just needs that process to die! |
| 00:34.59 | Waheedi | lol |
| 00:35.07 | Waheedi | this is like me being under LSD |
| 00:35.08 | Waheedi | fuck |
| 00:35.32 | Dan39 | naout: uninstall it and install vnstat |
| 00:36.50 | Waheedi | ok brb |
| 00:38.12 | naout | Dan39 apt-get remove ntop |
| 00:39.12 | Dan39 | sure |
| 00:39.13 | Dan39 | i usually purge |
| 00:39.13 | naout | how? |
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| 00:39.13 | Dan39 | apt-get purge ntop |
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| 00:39.14 | Dan39 | ntop i think is mostly for viewing traffic live, but may do monthly. but it seems like overkill if all you want is monthly GB value |
| 00:39.15 | naout | Dan39 thanks |
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| 00:39.15 | Dan39 | vnstat simple polls the interface TX/RX values, so its very small and barely any resources useed |
| 00:39.15 | naout | Dan39: how many Mbit/s could it be to rich 200GB in month? |
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| 00:39.15 | Dan39 | what? |
| 00:39.15 | Dan39 | reach? |
| 00:39.15 | Dan39 | not much id say |
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| 00:39.20 | naout | Dan39: 5-10? |
| 00:41.03 | naout | Mbit/s |
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| 00:41.13 | Dan39 | (200 gigabytes) / (1 month) = |
| 00:41.13 | Dan39 | 79.7473874 KBps |
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| 00:41.35 | naout | and what is that in Mbit/s? |
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| 00:42.29 | Dan39 | naout: thats .625 megabit |
| 00:42.30 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 01:42.25 | eb0t | dan 39 thanks ...yes i sorted it out ages ago ...using a bad method....but you guys have showed me superior ways of finding the processes that i will use in future... |
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| 01:47.11 | socomm | unetbootin works fine, for most purposes |
| 01:47.42 | socomm | but there are ways to create your own bootable usbs with the use of disk part and 7zip |
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| 01:48.02 | abrotman | socomm: no, it does not, it's a broken pile of shit |
| 01:48.13 | socomm | abrotman: in your experience |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | no, i'm not dumb enough to use it. I know how to do things correctly. |
| 01:48.39 | abrotman | Sit in here for a few days, watch how many people try to create usb installers wiht it, and it fails |
| 01:48.44 | socomm | if you don't use it how can you make such assumption? |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | socomm: How long have you been in this channel? How long have I been here? |
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| 01:49.25 | socomm | abrotman: it has worked for me, and it has broken for me, but I've been able to get around its problems |
| 01:49.27 | themill | socomm: unetbootin screws up the iso images rather than just copying them to the usb stick. We get several people per day in here with this problem |
| 01:49.39 | themill | If you don't use it, you don't need to get around its problems. |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | problem solved! |
| 01:49.51 | socomm | might be a pebcak :^/ |
| 01:50.10 | themill | socomm: no, it is well known to screw up the iso-hybrid images. |
| 01:50.25 | themill | it tries to "make the image bootable" when the image is already bootable. |
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| 01:50.49 | abrotman | themill: clearly he's smarter than 99% of the people that can't use it. We're idiots... |
| 01:51.06 | socomm | oh boy |
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| 01:51.16 | socomm | I love knee jerk reactions |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | it's hardly kneejerk .. Most people have unetbootin fail for them, we cannot recommend that anyone attempting to install Debian use it .. It's just unreliable |
| 01:52.00 | themill | I'm not sure you'd classify dealing with this problem on a daily basis for several years as being knee-jerk |
| 01:52.48 | jordanm | I thought that unetbooten got fixed sometime around squeeze, guess it broke again |
| 01:53.24 | themill | jordanm: I'd not heard that, and we still get people every day with problems with it |
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| 02:14.32 | Mathews | is it possible to verify files uploaded to google drive, without downloading them again and comparing sha-sums? |
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| 02:17.11 | abrotman | perhaps using the google api ? |
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| 02:18.53 | Mathews | would have thought, that someone might already have checked on that matter :) |
| 02:19.10 | zerodrama | so i want to upgrade from libc 2.13 to 2.18 because ditaa package needs it |
| 02:19.14 | zerodrama | and |
| 02:19.16 | Mathews | i mean its quite important for files larger than a few mbs |
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| 02:19.44 | zerodrama | a whole bunch of stuff breaks |
| 02:19.55 | abrotman | yes, that happens |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | Do you know what libc is? |
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| 02:20.37 | dvs | the basis of all existance? |
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| 02:24.05 | Mathews | dvs: libc equals 42! ;) |
| 02:24.32 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:25.48 | greatmenjmt | hi guys. you know, i would like to receive opinions about this: i have used debian and derivates before, but recently i installed debian testing 64 bits (kernal: Linux jrtcl 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux) on my intel core 2 6300 with 4GB ram and video card NVIDIA GeForce 6200 TurboCache, and i guess it must be because of the generic video driver, but i have been experiencing too much delay on |
| 02:25.50 | greatmenjmt | for open new windows and dialog box, etc. and the use of ram and cpu does not reach 50% and load is under 1, any advice? |
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| 02:27.06 | eb0t | LIB C is the library containing binaries for the gnu c utilities |
| 02:28.30 | eb0t | so libc is probably the most core part of any linux distro aside from the kernel |
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| 02:29.55 | abrotman | eb0t: I wasn't asking you ? |
| 02:30.26 | centrx | greatmenjmt, What desktop environment/window manager are you using? Is it slow from other desktop environments/window managers? |
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| 02:30.41 | centrx | greatmenjmt, Could it be the power management settings? |
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| 02:31.38 | eb0t | yes btu i liked the question...and tried to answer it |
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| 02:38.54 | greatmenjmt | centrx im using gnome shell |
| 02:39.29 | greatmenjmt | centrx i have not tried another desktop enviroments |
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| 02:49.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
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| 02:50.32 | LtL | Eryn_1983_FL: greetings |
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| 02:52.12 | acu2 | I have an old intel 2 core duo - with intel vga (with dvi and analog) output - what is strange is that analog out has low resolutioon - and I do not m=know why and how to fix it |
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| 02:52.23 | abrotman | acu2: xrandr ? |
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| 03:18.31 | seeker61 | I have wheezy loaded but the nouveau drm with framebuffer does not like my nvidia video card which is on motherboard so how do I cancel nouveau and load nvidia at boot |
| 03:19.08 | seeker61 | i have loaded in run mode and at prompt typed nvidia-xconfig and it does not recognize that command |
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| 03:22.30 | JordanJ2 | Hello. I am getting a error while trying to install htop (Debian 7 x64) http://pastebin.com/4xLpVriQ |
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| 03:22.58 | abrotman | seeker61: the wiki covers this |
| 03:23.31 | seeker61 | abrotman: ok thanks where do i get the wiki |
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| 03:24.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell seeker61 about nvidia |
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| 03:28.34 | JordanJ2 | Anyone? |
| 03:29.00 | abrotman | me looks |
| 03:29.03 | abrotman | even |
| 03:29.13 | zykotick9 | seekr: (just my opinion!) but if you used nvidia.com's .run installer - i personally consider your install "broken"... using the debian method is WAY better! |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | JordanJ2: paste your sources.list |
| 03:30.43 | SirDigby | I had troubles with nvidia .run install just 3 hours ago. |
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| 03:31.04 | SirDigby | That was not good times |
| 03:31.44 | JordanJ2 | aberrant, Where do I find that? |
| 03:31.53 | aberrant | huh? |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:32.01 | aberrant | abrotman, not aberrant :) |
| 03:32.02 | JordanJ2 | abrotman* |
| 03:32.04 | aberrant | hehe |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | aberrant: go back to sleep :) |
| 03:32.10 | aberrant | back to lurking |
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| 03:32.21 | aberrant | damn "bouncy dock on mention" feature |
| 03:32.48 | JordanJ2 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/pZX09AE5 |
| 03:34.16 | zykotick9 | !tell JordanJ2 about pastebin.com |
| 03:34.19 | abrotman | JordanJ2: aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade .. does it want to update anything ? |
| 03:34.36 | abrotman | but don't tell him about ftp.debian.org ? |
| 03:35.12 | JordanJ2 | abrotman, commnd not found |
| 03:35.27 | zykotick9 | abrotman: could you see JordanJ2's paste? i got some "spam detected" thing... |
| 03:35.31 | abrotman | JordanJ2: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | zykotick9: that's your browsre? |
| 03:36.03 | zykotick9 | abrotman: interesting. thanks. |
| 03:36.44 | JordanJ2 | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/84510/ |
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| 03:37.09 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: thanks ;) |
| 03:37.10 | JordanJ2 | Am I missing anything in sources.list? |
| 03:37.21 | JordanJ2 | zykotick9, No worries. |
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| 03:39.34 | abrotman | JordanJ2: apt-get -f install |
| 03:40.26 | JordanJ2 | Is it normal to see debconf failing? |
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| 03:40.46 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: just curious, what are you trying to install that wants ia32-libs? sidenote: if you want multiarch support, try installing wine64-bin, then running "wine" as a regular user - it's just the instructions on how to enable multiarch, but just switch last line (where it suggests to install wine:i386) with what you want. good luck. |
| 03:41.00 | JordanJ2 | zykotick9, htop |
| 03:41.27 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: apt-cache policy htop |
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| 03:41.41 | abrotman | JordanJ2: apt-get -f install |
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| 03:42.30 | zykotick9 | abrotman: isn't the ia32-libs just going to keep on failing with "apt-get -f ..." until he enables multiarch? |
| 03:42.53 | abrotman | ia32-libs doesn't exist in wheezy (there's a transition packge) |
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| 03:43.28 | zykotick9 | abrotman: that's what's erroring out for JordanJ2 is it not? where is it coming from then? |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | we'll see what -f removes? :) |
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| 04:12.02 | JordanJ2 | What package is the 'unzip' command part of? |
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| 04:14.32 | Okee | How do I find the search engine folder for Chromium on Debian Linux? I am trying to adjust the settings, so that Thunderbird will open up the Chromium browser. |
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| 04:16.40 | centrx | JordanJ2, "unzip" |
| 04:17.01 | centrx | JordanJ2, apt-cache search unzip |
| 04:17.33 | centrx | Okee, How are those related? What is the search engine folder? |
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| 04:18.40 | centrx | Why is my system random entropy so low? ( cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ) |
| 04:19.15 | Okee | centrx> Where do I find Chromium? I did a whereis search at the command line, and it is in the bin directory, like so many utilities, but I don't see it when trying to set the default browser, for opening up links in Thunderbird. |
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| 04:19.41 | centrx | Okee, You might have to manually add it? |
| 04:19.47 | centrx | Okee, in Thunderbird |
| 04:20.01 | Okee | centrx> So how do I do that? |
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| 04:20.51 | centrx | Okee, I don't know. In Hexchat for example, you add a URL handler by adding a new one like "!chromium %s" |
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| 04:21.50 | Okee | centrx> I will do some more searching online, and maybe post in Mozilla's channel. |
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| 04:23.53 | drwahl | JordanJ2: your paste has been removed. repaste? |
| 04:24.01 | drwahl | err, ignore me |
| 04:24.15 | drwahl | scrollback is confusing |
| 04:24.36 | isosphere | I seek troubleshooting advice! I am on Debian Wheezy, and my first wireless connection is consistently not working. If I ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 up it works. This is with WICD or manual wpa_supplicant + ifconfig/dhclient. ARP requests still work when my connection is in the initial-after-boot "broken" state, pinging an address results in ARP requests which I get responses for which populate in my arp table, but anything fancier tha |
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| 04:26.20 | rjsalts | isosphere: it get's an ip address assigned? |
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| 04:27.12 | isosphere | rjsalts: Yup, I get an address when using dhclient wlan0. I've also tried setting one statically |
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| 04:28.36 | acu | I run wheezy amd64 on an intel core 2 duo with intel vga - with dual head - VGA analog and DVI - on the dvi head I get 1080p while in analog I get 1024/768 only - xrandr show no higher modes for VGA |
| 04:28.44 | acu | what should I do ? |
| 04:29.48 | acu | !analog-vga |
| 04:30.03 | acu | !xorg |
| 04:30.04 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:34.53 | isosphere | acu: maybe it doesn't support more than that on VGA? |
| 04:36.15 | acu | isosphere: it is one card with two heads - usually the heads are equal (or it has a max output total), |
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| 04:50.48 | Pinchiukas | I'm doing a "aptitude purge '?!essential'". Why am I getting a very long list of "selecting x instead of virtual package y" even if I don't have x installed? |
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| 04:57.50 | isosphere | The output of wpa-supplicant doesn't show a group handhake completed message on first connection attempt |
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| 04:57.57 | isosphere | (debug output) |
| 04:58.42 | isosphere | I am sure there are many other differences, but that stands out to me |
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| 05:00.57 | rjsalts | isosphere: if it's what I think it is then that's to do with broadcast traffic, so it would make sense that it never saw the replies |
| 05:01.14 | rjsalts | isosphere: although I don't understand how dhcp would work at all in that case |
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| 05:02.32 | isosphere | Ah-ha! It works perfectly if my laptop is plugged in to AC power. Power management is to blame. Group handshake completes. |
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| 05:10.02 | isosphere | It appear to be the "Wireless power saving" feature, based on tests with powertop and rebooting with and without AC power |
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| 05:16.33 | daniel-s | I noticed that if I use apt-get clean, then apt-get update still asks for .pdiff files. |
| 05:16.49 | daniel-s | How can I completely clean my system's knowledge of available packages. |
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| 05:21.09 | greatmenjmt | guys, could anyone help me. i just intalled nvidia graphic driver following this instructions https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuraci.2BAPM-n and after reboot there is not graphic enviroment |
| 05:21.26 | greatmenjmt | if i try startx i get a error msg: |
| 05:21.40 | greatmenjmt | error: modprobe: error: could not inser 'nvidia_current': no such device |
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| 05:30.37 | jaami | hi, i got my system booted with debian live, can someone tell me what is default root pass for live debian |
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| 05:32.43 | buu | jaami: does sudo prompt for a password? |
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| 05:34.06 | vimel | jaami: try live |
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| 05:40.09 | jaami | try live? |
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| 05:40.32 | vimel | password |
| 05:41.16 | jaami | vimel: sudo passwd root asked me new pass |
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| 05:41.44 | vimel | jaami: type a pw twice |
| 05:42.17 | jaami | vimel: can i somehow fix the debian on HD with this live version |
| 05:42.36 | vimel | whats wrong w it? |
| 05:42.45 | SirLagz | depends on whats wrong with the existing debian |
| 05:42.54 | vimel | ^ |
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| 05:43.28 | jaami | vimel: nothing wrong with live debian, i am thinking if the one on my hard drive that is not working can be fixed by using this live debian |
| 05:44.04 | jaami | gnome desktop was removed from old debian |
| 05:44.22 | vimel | sure you can troubleshoot w it. mount a partition run tools on top of another os et cetera |
| 05:44.57 | jaami | oh ok , that is good |
| 05:45.25 | jaami | et cetera? |
| 05:46.08 | jaami | i think i can fix that if get help |
| 05:47.21 | jaami | vimel: please tell me what to do next to recover gnome desktop on the hHD partition |
| 05:47.37 | jaami | HD** |
| 05:48.17 | vimel | et cetera means and so on, so forth |
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| 05:49.00 | jaami | btw, if i install apps on live will those apps go to my live debian USB or they can be installed on hd somehow |
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| 05:49.02 | vimel | jaami: why do you need to recover a desktop? did you already write over the partition that had your previous OS? |
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| 05:49.21 | vimel | jaami: only if you have persistence enabled. |
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| 05:49.36 | jaami | vimel: the previous partition is unchanged and mounted and i can see old debian files |
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| 05:50.11 | vimel | so if that partition works why didnt you just fix the desktop by reinstalling gnome? |
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| 05:50.47 | Pinchiukas | I'm doing a "aptitude purge '?!essential'". Why am I getting a very long list of "selecting x instead of virtual package y" even if I don't have x installed? |
| 05:50.52 | jaami | vimel: i just got system booted from live debian. havent done anything so far |
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| 05:51.37 | jaami | vimel: please tell me how to reinstall gnome on old debian partition |
| 05:51.40 | vimel | jaami: what is the problem then? the OS works fine but the desktop environment is broke? |
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| 05:53.35 | jaami | vimel: i am sorry, i think i could not descripe problem clearly. the old debian is still there on the hard drive but right now i booted system from my USB drive. so i think if i remove the USB and reboot system then i will not be able to boot into old debian because that old debian lost gnome desktop |
| 05:54.35 | vimel | jaami: can you boot to your recovery kernel from grub? |
| 05:55.28 | jaami | vimel: please tell me how to do that. |
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| 05:57.17 | jaami | vimel: the grub on HD was not working and i always used gparted from a bootable USB. |
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| 05:58.31 | jaami | vimel: lets assume i somehow get system booted to recovery kernal, what i will do to fix things from there |
| 05:58.40 | vimel | jaami: try to boot regular, once you get to grub just select the default kernel, dont use recovery, if you cant get a console, press CTRL+ALT+F4, then type su, and enter your su password, The GNOME Desktop task is what is installed by Debian-Installer's Desktop "task" (unless you picked another DesktopEnvironment !). To install it, first make sure that tasksel and aptitude are installed: apt-get install aptitude taskselThen, install the gnome ta |
| 05:58.55 | vimel | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 05:59.15 | vimel | jaami: you will want to write down those steps if you dont have another machine to troubleshoot |
| 06:00.00 | jaami | vimel: yes, i am writing those steps |
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| 06:01.04 | vimel | you could also try aptitude purge gnome* followed by aptitude purge ~c, followed by aptitude install gnome |
| 06:01.45 | vimel | lastly make sure you have gdm installed. aptitude install gdm |
| 06:02.04 | vimel | reboot and you should be back up and running. |
| 06:03.04 | vimel | remember that if you cant get a console (terminal) you will need to press those three keys CTRL+ALT+F4, type su and get root # to run your commands to reinstall gnome |
| 06:03.53 | vimel | jaami: it wouldnt hurt to try to install xfce4 in case something is borked with gnome. aptitude install xfce4 |
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| 06:04.52 | vimel | jaami: i would use gdm, xdm or lightdm. you need one of them to log into your desktop (graphically) |
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| 06:11.59 | jaami | vimel: i saved all that into a txt file that i think i can read with cat in recovery kernal |
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| 06:12.35 | vimel | jaami: if you cant access the web in recovery try to boot with normal kernel. |
| 06:13.01 | jaami | jaami: oh yes that i forgot |
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| 06:13.54 | jaami | vimel: ok, i try now, |
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| 06:34.53 | nonconvergent | Anyone else having issues with non-free flash crashing constantly? |
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| 06:36.06 | centrx | nonconvergent, It is downloaded from Adobe |
| 06:36.10 | centrx | nonconvergent, Adobe Flash sucks |
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| 06:36.30 | Zharf | it does but unfortunately it's the best there is for the job |
| 06:36.42 | centrx | I don't see much use for it any more |
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| 06:37.47 | vimel | if you use mostly youtube you can try the HTML5 viewer |
| 06:37.55 | jaami | vimel: i am back on old debian after recovering gnome. everything is back to normal. those magical keys Alt+Crtl+F4 opened new world before me. |
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| 06:38.12 | vimel | jaami: excellent. :) |
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| 06:38.43 | jaami | vimel: Thank you friend. you saved my time and data |
| 06:38.53 | jaami | :) |
| 06:38.58 | vimel | jaami: you are welcome. |
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| 06:40.50 | flami | youtube is still hit and miss if a video is html5 though. you can turn it on though http://www.youtube.com/html5 , plenty work . |
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| 06:52.25 | bullgard4 | "Network_Information_Service" (NIS) originally has been developed bySun under the name Yellow Pages (YP). NIS corresponds to the Domain Controller under Windows NT and to Active Directory under Windows 2000. What role does it play under Debian? |
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| 06:58.26 | jaami | vimel: i used live-usb-install-2.4.0 and on first run it updated itself and before making USB bootable it checked md5sum but did not recognize the iso but i click ok to continue. that worked better than unetbootin |
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| 06:59.25 | jaami | in simple , live-usb-install-2.4.0 is better than unetbootin |
| 06:59.51 | vimel | ive mostly used unetbootin on windows and linux. seems to work for me. ive also used dd which works fine. ymmv. |
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| 07:01.26 | jaami | vimel: that is right, i dont know why unetbootin never worked for me, and yes dd is good i used that when unetbootin was not working |
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| 07:07.33 | flami | bullgard4: as with pretty much anything in debian, it's optional . you can use nis for authentication etc, but you don't have to. also iirc it's not installed by default. (I guess most people use ldap instead of nis though) |
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| 07:09.24 | bullgard4 | flami: Ah! Thank you very much for this overview! |
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| 07:33.13 | ChrisH | bullgard4: Where you have this quote from? And yes, NIS on Debian plays the same role as on eg. Solaris or other UNIX Systems. centralized and easy to administer user repository. |
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| 07:34.21 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: From an O'Reilly book. |
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| 07:36.17 | ChrisH | If this is technological true (I have no idea on Domain Controller/NT) I am surprised as I assumed DC/AD (AC/DC makes more fun) use encryption. NIS does not at all.... and NIS+ is not implemented on Debian, and I am really happy about that fact. |
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| 07:38.45 | rjsalts | nis is pretty much dead at this point |
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| 07:39.00 | flami | isn't nis mostly replaced with ldap these days? |
| 07:39.37 | ChrisH | dead with Linux maybe. But not that dead in the comercial UNIX world. But even there LDAP/AD is getting in |
| 07:39.44 | rjsalts | or anything really, there is stuff to run nss out of an RDBMS if you really want |
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| 07:40.09 | boratyns1ikamil | gdm3 does not start properly. I got only black screen. I do not see any EE in /var/log/gdm3/0.logm suggestion? |
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| 07:41.25 | flami | nss-mysql ftw :P |
| 07:41.45 | ChrisH | rjsalts,flami,bullgard4 allways keep in mind that the systen can get completely unusable if the naming service does not work. So name resolution from a database... Uah, I do not want to run such an environment! For some special accounts this might be OK |
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| 07:42.27 | flami | so yeah .better make sure your ldap actually works. |
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| 07:42.42 | boratyns1ikamil | But... Xserer starts properly, when I do startx |
| 07:42.55 | flami | I use ldap for centralised auth and such in my vms |
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| 07:43.52 | ChrisH | flami: LDAP has redundancy built-in with the replicas. Same has NIS, NIS+, DNS, AD... |
| 07:44.00 | ChrisH | But we are getting OT |
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| 07:44.42 | rjsalts | ChrisH: you're usually going to be doing passwd: compat group: compat and shadow: compat, so it'll fall back to local users for system accounts/root so you can get in and fix the thing |
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| 07:45.06 | bullgard4 | boratyns1ikamil: I would search for it in /var/log/syslog. |
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| 07:46.17 | ChrisH | rjsalts: usually true... I saw strange things happen with non working name-resolution. |
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| 08:13.57 | bullgard4 | ChrisH:, flami, rjsalts: Thank you for this discussion. |
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| 08:17.52 | _mel_ | Hi. is there any system to check / verify different kind of software for available updates (besides apt, yum, etc.). I want to make sure to run the newest wordpress, jira and so on. |
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| 08:19.37 | Nik05 | _mel_ apt |
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| 08:20.59 | flami | are you talking about software you installed without apt? |
| 08:21.07 | _mel_ | yes. |
| 08:22.31 | flami | in that case, get the rss feeds/mailing lists.... from wordpress and jira. pretty sure there is no real way to check these as there is no standardised version information for those. |
| 08:22.43 | digdilem | wordpress checks and tells you |
| 08:22.53 | digdilem | it'll also do minor updates itself now |
| 08:22.59 | flami | oh yeah wordpress also autoupdates now |
| 08:23.21 | _mel_ | almost every system checks and tell, but there is no central view if you have a couple of wordpress installations |
| 08:24.01 | digdilem | but _mel_, the point of apt is it manages that for you. If you install software out of that, there's no system to do it for you other than the individual software |
| 08:24.13 | _mel_ | i fought of some pluginbased system, where you tell the url of you installation and it checks against some information or so ... |
| 08:24.17 | digdilem | if you want later versions than your apt knows about, look into backports |
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| 08:24.58 | _mel_ | digdilem: i have different software packed as deb files but not all |
| 08:25.30 | digdilem | what are your circumstances where you have a lot of stuff not installed through apt? |
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| 08:26.50 | _mel_ | customer use php based software like typo3 or wordpress, different installations of java based software like jira/confluence and so forth |
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| 08:27.16 | _mel_ | i want to make sure the software is as secure as possible |
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| 08:27.35 | digdilem | understood. wp is fairly easy - and there'll be systems out there for managing it in that use-case (maybe a google there? Afraid I don't know) |
| 08:27.48 | _mel_ | any system based software like bacula and so on is installes through aot |
| 08:27.49 | _mel_ | apt |
| 08:27.56 | flami | well you could use nagios to check versions for you . you gotta write a script for each system though ( because no standard way to get the version info) |
| 08:28.52 | flami | or well look if someone already wrote a nagios plugin . or zabbix ... |
| 08:28.56 | _mel_ | yeah, first i thougt about nagios too :) but i hoped there is some tool to manage this task |
| 08:29.30 | digdilem | not that i'm aware of, sorry. By it's nature it's a pretty individual-sounding task |
| 08:29.53 | flami | naa . that would be an insane task . there's too much stuff out there to check them all :P |
| 08:30.01 | jelly | _mel_: wow, you bothered to make .debs for jira and confluence? Using debian's java policy? |
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| 08:30.39 | _mel_ | jelly: no, i did not yet :-) |
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| 08:32.23 | flami | aren't these things delivered as .war? I managed to talk someone out of it. I really can't be using 4 gb ram for a bugtracker on my toy server. hehehehehehe |
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| 08:33.31 | _mel_ | flami: :) i know ... but customer love it. it depends, the are deliverd as war but confluence can't start from war file. you need to unpack it first. |
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| 08:35.58 | flami | enjoy making your .deb then. there's not much benefit to it though I think. either way you gotta copy the .deb or war around . |
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| 08:38.45 | _mel_ | flami: seams there is already an nagios plugin |
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| 08:41.47 | tiiv | hey I'm having trouble getting my laptop to suspend when I close the lid |
| 08:42.02 | tiiv | it's just turning the screen off |
| 08:42.23 | tiiv | acpitool -s suspends it with no problems though |
| 08:42.26 | tiiv | could anyone help me? |
| 08:43.13 | nkuttler | tiiv: what happens when you run pm-suspend ? |
| 08:43.32 | tiiv | that works too |
| 08:44.20 | tiiv | maybe the gnome power management is interfering here, but I don't know how to troubleshoot that |
| 08:44.28 | _mel_ | flami: do you know some good news/mail-lists where all important updates like java, jira and so on are published? |
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| 08:46.01 | flami | _mel_: every project should have one. I don't know of a consolidated one though. |
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| 08:46.41 | nkuttler | tiiv: have a look at /usr/share/doc/acpid/README.Debian and /etc/acpi/* |
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| 08:47.51 | nkuttler | tiiv: and https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend fwiw, but that looks quite outdated |
| 08:48.14 | tiiv | yeah I looked at that page already and it seemed outdated |
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| 08:49.18 | nkuttler | tiiv: fwiw, i happily use the method described under "Information for older kernels" on sid and a 3.12 kernel... |
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| 08:50.53 | tiiv | well the lid.sh script checks an environment variable called $LID_SLEEP to be set to "xtrue" before executing pm-suspend |
| 08:50.58 | tiiv | I suspect that's the problem |
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| 08:51.12 | micw | hi |
| 08:51.17 | tiiv | the README say the acpi daemon looks for events |
| 08:51.28 | tiiv | in /etc/acpi/events |
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| 08:51.39 | tiiv | maybe I need to create a file there for lid closing? |
| 08:51.51 | micw | when i log into x11, i can correctly use my both screens. on login and if i start X11 directly (using the X command), i have the same content on one screen |
| 08:51.56 | micw | how can i fix this? |
| 08:53.07 | nkuttler | tiiv: right, like the /etc/acpi/events/custom_lid on the wiki |
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| 08:54.10 | nkuttler | tiiv: though i think your second line should have an %e at the end to pass the var.. |
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| 08:54.34 | nkuttler | micw: how do you log into x normally? |
| 08:55.00 | micw | lightdm. as soon as i'm logged in (xfce session), screens are both used |
| 08:55.30 | micw | but i want a second X server without window manager /xsession (for displaying a fullscreen app) |
| 08:55.43 | nkuttler | oh you want to run two x servers.. |
| 08:55.53 | nkuttler | no idea how to do that on dual head |
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| 08:56.55 | micw | nkuttler, i run 2 xservers on different vts (so only one at a time visible) |
| 08:57.05 | micw | so there's no difference to run one |
| 08:57.28 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 08:57.58 | Kirito | Do you think Richard Stallman is a nutjob? |
| 08:58.05 | sabboo | we in arch linux were wondering |
| 08:58.22 | sabboo | Kirito, you stole my troll! |
| 08:58.27 | Kirito | ahaha |
| 08:58.44 | Kirito | I was actually a bit curious <_< |
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| 08:59.06 | nkuttler | Kirito: this is a support channel for Debian. anything else is not on-topic |
| 08:59.16 | sabboo | ...wondering whether the debian community was actually as extreme as its primary protagonist. |
| 08:59.21 | sabboo | there, that's more polite |
| 08:59.31 | xreal | Why the heck does tasksel "tasksel" always install x11? Even when it is set to standard? I'm doing a preseed-installation. |
| 08:59.33 | Kirito | Oh, sorry, should ask in #debian-offtopic then |
| 08:59.43 | nkuttler | xreal: don't install the desktop task |
| 09:00.19 | sabboo | I'm not even remotely off topic. Just more polite when I asked. |
| 09:00.27 | sabboo | I'm curious too. |
| 09:00.34 | xreal | nkuttler: I don't. I'm using this: "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard" |
| 09:00.58 | nkuttler | Kirito: sabboo: feel free to discuss this in #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:11.31 | xreal | nkuttler: more ideas? |
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| 09:12.16 | nkuttler | xreal: check your xorg log? |
| 09:12.58 | xreal | nkuttler: what's that? I don't want to install xorg :) This should be a minimal server. |
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| 09:13.17 | nkuttler | xreal: oh wait, never mind.. |
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| 09:13.32 | nkuttler | xreal: no idea what this tasksel/first multiselect standard is |
| 09:13.43 | xreal | nkuttler: it's the smallest of them all. |
| 09:13.47 | nkuttler | xreal: of what? |
| 09:13.57 | xreal | nkuttler: of all avail. tasksel tasks. |
| 09:14.08 | nkuttler | xreal: you must have a different tasksel than me then |
| 09:14.26 | nkuttler | xreal: I have Debian dekstop environment, Web server, Print server, etc |
| 09:14.30 | xreal | nkuttler: yeah |
| 09:14.56 | xreal | nkuttler: hmm, can't I leave out tasksel at all?? let me try |
| 09:15.06 | nkuttler | xreal: sure, you don't have to run tasksel |
| 09:15.12 | nkuttler | in fact i never do |
| 09:15.42 | xreal | nkuttler: let me figure out, how to skip it in preseed |
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| 09:16.13 | xreal | tasksel tasksel/skip-tasks string standard ! |
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| 09:16.52 | xreal | compiling the ISO and trying again |
| 09:17.17 | xreal | nkuttler: I've got major problems with configurating the keyboard. let me translate my preseed.cfg to English and post it here. |
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| 09:17.32 | nkuttler | xreal: i have never done any preseeding |
| 09:18.22 | xreal | nkuttler: oh okay. |
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| 09:20.05 | OpenTokix | xreal: I hafe: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server |
| 09:20.10 | OpenTokix | xreal: in my preseed,cfg |
| 09:20.26 | OpenTokix | xreal: are you booting an iso? |
| 09:20.59 | OpenTokix | xreal: You have to add keyboard + language etc. to the append line for the kernel, to avoid having to select it in the installer. -I boot my preseed from pxe instead, much easier |
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| 09:22.04 | OpenTokix | xreal: my append line: ppend vga=788 initrd=wheezy_emediate/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 locale=en_US keymap=se locale=en_US keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=se hostname=preseeded domain=emediate.se -- auto preseed/url=http://10.4.1.1/preseed.cfg |
| 09:22.20 | xreal | OpenTokix: Yeah, but can't I set this inside preseed only? |
| 09:22.28 | xreal | OpenTokix: I don' |
| 09:22.29 | xreal | eeh |
| 09:22.36 | xreal | OpenTokix: I don't like long boot-texts :) |
| 09:22.36 | OpenTokix | xreal: From iso - maybe, let me check mine |
| 09:23.20 | xreal | skips doesn't work :( |
| 09:23.24 | xreal | damn, where does x11 come from? |
| 09:23.41 | OpenTokix | xreal: http://pastebin.com/7RA2jANs <-- this is the start of my preseed that I used when I made isos. |
| 09:23.58 | lapache | plz does someone use twitter bootstrap javascript library ? |
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| 09:25.08 | xreal | OpenTokix: thx, mine is longer but let me play around with it. |
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| 09:25.39 | OpenTokix | xreal: yes, its just the start for the language selection I gave you =) |
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| 09:27.15 | xreal | OpenTokix: My problem is: when do I select de_DE and when DE and when de ? |
| 09:27.30 | xreal | country = DE, language = de, but when de_DE ? |
| 09:27.43 | OpenTokix | xreal: d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US |
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| 09:27.52 | OpenTokix | xreal: d-i debian-installer/country string sv |
| 09:28.02 | OpenTokix | ups, wrong line |
| 09:28.03 | OpenTokix | xreal: d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:28.05 | OpenTokix | there |
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| 09:29.16 | xreal | OpenTokix: but you wrote "dd-i debian-installer/language string en", shouldn't this be en_US, too? |
| 09:29.53 | OpenTokix | xreal: I dont have that |
| 09:30.04 | xreal | OpenTokix: in the pastebin you gave me |
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| 09:30.26 | OpenTokix | xreal: yes? - locale and language is not the same |
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| 09:31.20 | xreal | OpenTokix: I am confused. Let me play around to find the correct settings for Germany with German :) |
| 09:32.27 | OpenTokix | xreal: Try this: http://pastebin.com/ABSpLe8U |
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| 09:34.13 | xreal | OpenTokix: let me try |
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| 09:36.52 | xreal | OpenTokix: doesn't work - it asks for the location country. |
| 09:37.31 | OpenTokix | xreal: ok, I messed around with that quite a bit to get the correct mix of those. - So happy experimenting. - I have to get going |
| 09:37.47 | xreal | k |
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| 09:52.08 | pexy_ | Hello. How to create a hardlink of another users file? It worked on debian 6, but on debian 7 i get "operation not permitted" error. |
| 09:53.37 | ChrisH | pexy_: show it on paste.debian.net Please include ls -ld . .. into your paste |
| 09:53.47 | ChrisH | on both Debian 6 and 7 |
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| 10:11.53 | pexy_ | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/84538 |
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| 10:17.07 | onur | Hi. Is it possible to create a copressed image file and use it like fs with mount? |
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| 10:18.22 | constl | Is there a way to monitor network usage of a debian based machine which is shared amongst me and a couple friends? |
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| 10:19.04 | mongaj | constl: tcpdump is the dirty way of doing it |
| 10:19.26 | Brigo | pexy_, you can create hard links to directory. |
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| 10:19.41 | Brigo | pexy_, well, you can try using -F or -d |
| 10:20.15 | omarek | Hi, I've downloaded a statically linked version of wkhtmltopdf and want to make it generally accessible from commandline (when I type 'wkhtmltopdf' I want to get tab completion, etc). How to do that ? |
| 10:20.16 | musca | constl: nethogs might give you an idea |
| 10:20.23 | Brigo | pexy_, and you must be superuser. |
| 10:20.28 | omarek | I suppose I need to create a symlink somewhere ? |
| 10:20.36 | nkuttler | ,v wkhtmltopdf |
| 10:20.38 | judd | Package: wkhtmltopdf on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; jessie: 0.9.9-4; sid: 0.9.9-4; wheezy: 0.9.9-4 |
| 10:20.45 | omarek | The stock Debian version is compiled with reduced functionality. |
| 10:20.55 | nkuttler | !package recompile |
| 10:20.55 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 10:25.51 | pexy_ | Brigo: as root i can hardlink any file, but i need to link them as standard user |
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| 10:38.11 | omarek | !rules |
| 10:38.12 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 10:41.01 | omarek | !debian |
| 10:41.01 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 10:41.18 | omarek | !nockeck |
| 10:41.23 | omarek | !nocheck |
| 10:41.24 | dpkg | When building packages, you might be able to use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage" to suppress running of automated tests at build time. Note that running tests is generally a good thing to make sure your build went OK. Not all packages have a <debian/rules> that supports this option; see <policy> §4.9.1 for details and consider filing a wishlist bug if the package doesn't do so and the tests take a while to run. |
| 10:41.58 | omarek | !nostrip |
| 10:41.59 | dpkg | When building packages, you should be able to use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage" to leave debugging symbols in the binaries. Not all packages have a <debian/rules> that supports this option, but most will since <debhelper> supports this automatically; see <policy> §4.9.1 for details and consider filing a wishlist bug if the package doesn't do so and doesn't already create a -dbg package. |
| 10:42.03 | omarek | !apt-get source |
| 10:42.03 | dpkg | i guess apt-get source is the way to download the debian source for your packages. Run apt-get source and compile packages as a non-root user. Ask me about <source> <deb-src>. If you have several deb-src lines in your sources.list, then you will need to use "apt-get source packagename=version" to control what source version is downloaded (apt-get source ignores the -t option). Also ask me about <package recompile> <simple sid backport> |
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| 10:44.58 | sabboo | can somebody recommend a decent, cheap colo? |
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| 10:52.34 | ChrisH | pexy_: id -a is the same on both boxes? How does it look like? |
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| 10:56.16 | omarek | nkuttler: that didn't work. My wkhtmltopdf is still with reduced functionality. |
| 10:56.36 | omarek | nkuttler: I have uninstalled the package before building it myself. |
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| 11:01.14 | jaami | vimel: the nasty warning came up again and suggesting me to do a aut-remove : |
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| 11:03.48 | jaami | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: aisleriot argyll at-spi2-core baobab browser-plugin-gnash caribou caribou-antler cheese dconf-tools empathy empathy-common espeak-data file-roller fonts-cantarell gcalctool gdebi gdm3 gir1.2-atspi-2.0 |
| 11:03.49 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.49 | jaami | s gnome-sudoku gnome-system-log gnome-tweak-tool gnome-video-effects gnomine gnotravex gnotski gnuchess gnuchess-book grilo-plugins-0.1 gtali gucharmap guile-2.0-libs hamster-applet iagno inkscape libatk-adaptor libatk-adaptor-data libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi1.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libboost-program-options1.49.0 libboost-thread1.49.0 libbrlapi0.5 libcaribou-gtk-module libcaribou-gtk3-module libcolorblind0 libdee-1.0-4 libdiscid0 libdmapsharing-3.0-2 libdot |
| 11:03.53 | jaami | conf1.0 libespeak1 libgail-common libgeocode-glib0 libgexiv2-1 libgnome-mag2 libgpod-common libgpod4 libgrilo-0.1-0 libgupnp-av-1.0-2 libgupnp-dlna-1.0-2 libicc2 libimdi0 liblouis-data liblouis2 libminiupnpc5 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9 libnatpmp1 libraw5 librhythmbox-core6 libsofia-sip-ua-glib3 libsofia-sip-ua0 libsonic0 libspeechd2 libtelepathy-farstream2 libwnck-common libwnck22 libxss1 lightsoff mahjongg media-player-info minissdpd mobile- |
| 11:03.58 | jaami | broadband-provider-info nautilus-sendto-empathy network-manager-gnome perlmagick python-brlapi python-gconf python-gnome2 python-louis python-mako python-markupsafe python-pyatspi python-pyatspi2 python-pyorbit python-speechd python-wnck python-zeitgeist quadrapassel rhythmbox rhythmbox-data rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins ryge |
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| 11:04.19 | tremon | !tell jaami -about paste |
| 11:04.21 | miruoy | jaami: are you serious? |
| 11:04.44 | jaami | sorry , i am trying to install iceweasel, and get that warning. i have no browser at this time |
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| 11:06.02 | thingamabob | looks like jaami is iceweasel on irc ;) |
| 11:06.09 | thingamabob | +installing |
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| 11:06.17 | miruoy | jaami: install elinks untill you get firefox up and running |
| 11:06.46 | jaami | you know the last line of the warning is here Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
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| 11:06.52 | jaami | haha |
| 11:06.59 | jaami | i di dthat and lost gnome |
| 11:07.08 | jaami | did that*** |
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| 11:08.06 | jaami | oh elinks, Okey!! |
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| 11:18.05 | jaami | apt-get install elinks: shows warning The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required, and again suggesting me to do auto-remove. something went wrong in my debian |
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| 11:18.57 | jaami | can someone tell me how to get rid of the warning? |
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| 11:19.30 | mrrr | purge them |
| 11:20.09 | jaami | what? mrrr are you serious? that list of packages includes gnome too. |
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| 11:21.14 | jaami | and thanks to vimel he helped me to recover gnome today |
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| 11:22.28 | jaami | are you serious mrrr ? purge will not mess up with gnome? |
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| 11:22.51 | jaami | i dont know, that is why asking you |
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| 11:23.13 | jaami | hmm |
| 11:23.24 | mrrr | if u need gnome then dont, i didnt know you need those |
| 11:23.40 | babilen | jaami: Please don't paste into the channel, but use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net (not pastebin.com!) -- Please also include your /var/log/apt/history.log and sources.list |
| 11:23.40 | jaami | oh ok, i use gnome |
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| 11:24.22 | yogg | Hi |
| 11:24.23 | babilen | jaami: I assume that you removed a dependency of some metapackage (e.g. gnome) earlier which left a bunch of packages ready for removal. |
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| 11:25.00 | Brigo | pexy_, man ln, it is not possible. |
| 11:25.13 | jaami | babilen: please tell me hw to use pastebing withut iceweasel or should i ignore the warning and install iceweasel anyway? |
| 11:25.30 | nkuttler | ,v python-imaging |
| 11:25.31 | judd | Package: python-imaging on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.7-2; wheezy: 1.1.7-4; jessie: 2.3.0-2; sid: 2.3.0-2 |
| 11:25.34 | jaami | how to use pastebin*** |
| 11:25.39 | babilen | jaami: You ahve no browser installed at all? |
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| 11:25.46 | babilen | *have |
| 11:25.54 | jaami | banno browser at this time |
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| 11:26.02 | jaami | babilen: |
| 11:26.13 | jaami | no browser** |
| 11:26.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaami -about nopaste |
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| 11:26.56 | yogg | I have an virtual debian 7 on virtualbox. I currently try to replace the mac address after i set the vm to "hibernate-disk". Which services should I reastart after the hibernation so that the system recognices the new mac address and gets a new ip from the dhcp? |
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| 11:27.43 | jaami | babilen: alright, i am installing nopaste |
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| 11:30.18 | lapache | yogg: ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1c:26:b3:5c:7f && ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient -v eth0 |
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| 11:32.15 | jaami | damn, again remove is in progress, i dont know how it started |
| 11:32.34 | jaami | gnome will be gone and i will have to reinstall it, i cant even use Ctrl+C |
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| 11:33.34 | spyder | where can i find a list of debian repos? |
| 11:33.51 | jaami | babilen: i used the command aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl and ingnored the warning to continue with install but same remove process is runing that i saw before with my own eyes |
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| 11:34.18 | lapache | spyder: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 11:34.30 | jaami | gnome and many packages are being removed |
| 11:34.46 | yogg | lapache: no i don't want to set the new mac in the VM. The VM should recognice the new mac address (i changed the virtual device) |
| 11:35.36 | jaami | babilen: |
| 11:35.52 | lapache | yogg: without restarting ? |
| 11:36.14 | babilen | jaami: Well, you shouldn't have used aptitude or shouldn't have performed the removal it was asking you about. |
| 11:36.51 | jaami | hmm, my mistake, actuallt i did not run the remove command, all i selected was Yes |
| 11:37.06 | jaami | i mean, type Y |
| 11:37.10 | jaami | typed** |
| 11:37.14 | babilen | jaami: aptitude defaults to performing an "autoremove" whereas apt-get does not. It's a bit hard to debug this now that you've performed this action. But don't be afraid, you can reinstall gnome easily |
| 11:37.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaami -about install gnome |
| 11:38.22 | babilen | jaami: As I said: aptitude's default behaviour is the removal of "unneeded" packages. By accepting that solution you also said yes to "remove these packages?" |
| 11:39.09 | yogg | lapache: yes without restarting the whole machine. Restart of services is ok |
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| 11:40.03 | jaami | babilen: i believe i di dnot use aptitude to install elinks , here is command apt-get install elinks |
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| 11:40.32 | jaami | anyway, i hope i can recover gnome again |
| 11:40.49 | jaami | im doing install as told by dpkg |
| 11:41.27 | lapache | yogg: ok, try this before asking next time :) |
| 11:41.45 | babilen | jaami: "i used the command aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl" -- and you accepted the removal of all those "unneeded" packages. As *you* do not actually consider them unneeded you shouldn't have accepted the suggested set of actions. |
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| 11:42.49 | yogg | lapache: hmm? What should I try? |
| 11:43.47 | lapache | yogg: the restart of networking service for refresh mac address |
| 11:43.56 | jaami | babilen: please help me to fix that warning problem after gnome is installed |
| 11:44.21 | babilen | jaami: Which warning? |
| 11:44.24 | yogg | lapache: /etc/init.d/networking restart does not change anything. The new mac does not get recogniced |
| 11:44.36 | yogg | lapache: also udev restart does not change anything |
| 11:44.54 | babilen | jaami: fwiw, I would recommend to use a "smaller" gnome metapackage such as gnome-desktop-environment or gnome-session (and gdm3) or so plus all other packages you actually want. |
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| 11:45.22 | babilen | jaami: That way you don't fall into the "remove a metapackages dependency remove the metapackage" trap again. |
| 11:46.11 | jaami | babilen: that is fine, all i want is no problem |
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| 11:46.43 | jaami | but thee gnome install is already in progress |
| 11:47.11 | jaami | so, after install of gnome is done i will install the gnome-desktop-environment |
| 11:47.23 | babilen | jaami: Which package did you install now? |
| 11:47.35 | jaami | apt-get install gnome |
| 11:48.05 | jaami | it was recommended in dpkg msg, so ran that first |
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| 11:48.54 | jaami | gnome-desktop-environment was 3rd option |
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| 11:49.36 | lapache | yogg: ok, you didn't solve your problem then ? |
| 11:49.38 | ulli | hi, after upgrading to openssl:amd64 (1.0.1e-2+deb7u3, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4), libssl1.0.0:amd64 (1.0.1e-2+deb7u3, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4) on 11.02.2014, i get PAM adding faulty module: pam_mysql.so ... and my mailserver is broken :| , i am not sure if there is a coherence, but i hope anybody of you could give me a hint! |
| 11:49.47 | babilen | Well, it is a matter of personal taste. Let me explain the ramifications: Metapackages are pacakges that simply depend on other packages and their whole job is to "pull in" a collection of packages. |
| 11:49.53 | jaami | babilen: gnome is installed |
| 11:50.46 | babilen | jaami: This works well until you want to remove one of its dependencies .. at that point the metapackage will have to be removed and all *other* dependencies are also marked as "unneeded" and will be automatically removed. |
| 11:51.12 | yogg | lapache: no. The problem is still here. The machine does after hibernate not recognice the new mac address (and does not get a new ip) |
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| 11:51.34 | babilen | jaami: As I don't necessarily want *all* those ten thousand programs that the "gnome" metapackage depends on I typically choose a smaller metapackage and then *explicitly* install whatever I really want. That way the package management can behave more in line with my actual wishes. |
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| 11:52.23 | babilen | jaami: All that being said: I would, if I were you, install the "gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome" packages to make sure that they and their dependencies won't get removed automatically. |
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| 11:53.16 | babilen | jaami: Do you still have another problem you need help with now and do you understand what happened? If you were to show me your /var/log/apt/history.log I could even tell you exactly what you've done to cause this. |
| 11:53.17 | jaami | babilen: i trust you, please tell me very next command |
| 11:53.42 | babilen | jaami: Well, a "apt-get install gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome" was what I just suggested :) |
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| 11:54.06 | tremon | suggesting apt-mark manual gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome for that is less confusing, assuming I understand you correctly |
| 11:54.06 | jaami | thanks, i am sorry if i ignore something iportant, please remind me |
| 11:54.15 | jaami | important** |
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| 11:55.19 | babilen | tremon: I am not sure if the gnome-session metapackage is installed already |
| 11:55.24 | babilen | judd: why gnome gnome-session |
| 11:55.26 | jaami | babilen: all of them are newer versions, nothing changed |
| 11:55.48 | judd | Packages gnome and gnome-session in wheezy/i386 are linked by 3 chains: gnome ▶ gnome-core ▶ gnome-session; gnome ▶ gnome-core ▶ gdm3 ▶ gnome-session; gnome ▶ gnome-core ▶ gdm3 ▶ metacity ▷ gnome-session |
| 11:55.51 | tremon | ah, that's a metapackage too? hadn't realized that |
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| 11:56.06 | babilen | jaami: They are now being marked as "manually installed" (which is done more explicitly with the command tremon just mentioned) and will therefore no longer be automatically removed. |
| 11:56.49 | babilen | judd: depends gnome-session |
| 11:56.50 | judd | Package gnome-session in wheezy/i386 -- depends: gnome-settings-daemon (>= 3.0), gnome-shell (>= 3.0), gnome-session-bin (>= 3.4.2.1-4), gnome-session-bin (<< 3.5), gnome-session-common (= 3.4.2.1-4). |
| 11:56.51 | jaami | babilen: ok, what is next command |
| 11:57.23 | jaami | babilen: mine is wheezy amd64 |
| 11:57.24 | babilen | jaami: I have no idea .. There is, in my opinion, nothing left to do. Is there anything you would like to do? |
| 11:57.50 | jaami | oh, ok, i try to install elinks again |
| 11:59.10 | jaami | babilen: much better this time, but still one warning is there WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libtre5 libfsplib0 elinks-data elinks |
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| 12:00.09 | babilen | jaami: Run "apt-get update" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net along with your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 12:00.21 | olivier_bK | hy all |
| 12:00.57 | jaami | babilen: first i do update then install iceweasel and then pastebin the askedoutputs |
| 12:01.11 | olivier_bK | i have a problem my HDD is full but when i execute ncdu it's the same like ( du -hs * ) |
| 12:01.24 | babilen | jaami: Sounds like a plan |
| 12:01.29 | olivier_bK | i see only one directory with 245Mb |
| 12:01.30 | jaami | :) |
| 12:01.39 | olivier_bK | on 3Gb sorry |
| 12:01.52 | olivier_bK | i try to restart rsyslog but nothing |
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| 12:04.49 | tremon | olivier_bK: can you paste the output of both df -h and df -i ? |
| 12:05.15 | olivier_bK | yes |
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| 12:05.37 | tremon | !tell olivier_bK -about paste |
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| 12:06.26 | olivier_bK | tremon, https://gist.github.com/zyriuse75/a5d134120a825558541e |
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| 12:07.27 | tremon | ok, that says 3,8G in use, not just 245MB. Can you paste the du output as well? |
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| 12:08.27 | tremon | you can use lsof to find removed but still opened files, probably that's where your space is going |
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| 12:11.01 | olivier_bK | if i run lsof on the server i going to get a lot file |
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| 12:12.58 | tremon | you can use lsof -M /var to restrict output to just the /var filesystem, but yes, the output might be large |
| 12:13.32 | xreal | I can't get it to work: pressed always asks me to configure "console-data". I tried anything. Okay, let's retry the 39th time. |
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| 12:17.34 | xreal | I don't understand the problem: http://pastie.org/8811938 |
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| 12:19.57 | Left_Turn | hey is installing debian a hard process? i've been reading some horror stories online:( |
| 12:21.22 | flami | are you trying to install debian on some exotic hardware? if not. then installing basically is no more that booting off your cd or usb and run the installer. |
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| 12:21.50 | Left_Turn | oh |
| 12:21.53 | tremon | Left_Turn: it could be better, but as with all things debian it can be as painful as you make it. |
| 12:21.57 | Left_Turn | not nothing exotic:) |
| 12:22.00 | flami | Actually about 10 years ago it wasn't that easy :P |
| 12:22.20 | Left_Turn | oh.. true the posts i read were from 2008 |
| 12:22.24 | flami | these dayse you can even use a mouse in teh installer |
| 12:22.38 | Left_Turn | they say the stable versions are years out of date.. this has changed? |
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| 12:23.10 | tremon | most important right now is to make sure you have all required firmware files if your network device requires it |
| 12:23.23 | Left_Turn | oh i see |
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| 12:23.59 | flami | well stable is called stable for a reason, it takes about 2 years these days for the next release to come around. if you don't want rock solid,but want new. then maybe debian isn't for you. |
| 12:24.18 | mjt | heh. Years out of date. This entirely depends on the stable release schedule - if the releases happens twice a year, the software will be at most one year old... If you want long-stable, you WILL have long-old software in there. ;) |
| 12:24.44 | Left_Turn | ok stable sounds fine to me:) |
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| 12:25.33 | flami | I admit. on my home computer I use the dreadded buntus, that I shoot to pieces every few months. |
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| 12:26.02 | Left_Turn | oh you use debian at work? |
| 12:26.18 | flami | but my servers all have debian . because stable :P |
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| 12:26.36 | Left_Turn | ah.. for a home computer would i be better off with ubuntu? |
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| 12:27.40 | flami | Not better. its a preference really, do you want lots of prebuild packages of the newest stuff, don't want to mess with the occasional breakage in debian unstable? then yes probably |
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| 12:28.00 | Zzeiss | Yeah. I'm on "testing" and it's a bit annoying. Caught in the middle. |
| 12:28.12 | flami | if you want rock solid , go with debian stable. rock solid can't be the newest stuff though |
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| 12:28.57 | Left_Turn | ok.. i'll go with debian.. thanks for the help |
| 12:29.02 | flami | and since I don't care for rock solid at home (and have lots of backups :P ) I go buntu |
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| 12:29.24 | Left_Turn | good point:) |
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| 12:31.02 | mouz\lex | ÕãxÁ |
| 12:31.05 | xreal | I can't get it to work: pressed always asks me to configure "console-data". I tried anything. Okay, let's retry the 41th time. http://pastie.org/8811938 |
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| 12:32.23 | flami | though I love how great you can customize debian, start with a minimal install, with console only and then install only what you need (like my servers). or be a lazy git ( at home ) and go for the nicely packaged, but not very small, Linux that others give you. |
| 12:32.38 | flami | decisions decisions :P |
| 12:33.09 | busch | How do i backup the last 100M of a given partition using dd? |
| 12:33.13 | Left_Turn | yeah i didn't like all the extras ubuntu gave me |
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| 12:34.28 | flami | I think then you are in good hands with debian. welcome |
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| 12:34.38 | Left_Turn | thanks:) |
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| 12:37.22 | flami | busch: I don't know about dd but I think there is ddrescue --reverse (as in start at the back) |
| 12:37.32 | wols | busch: you'd have to calculate the offset yourself and use it with your dd command |
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| 12:38.27 | flami | oh yeah there should be "skip" in dd |
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| 12:41.03 | xreal | Seems like I've found a bug in debian ... again. |
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| 12:41.51 | themill | unpossible |
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| 12:43.13 | cromag | debian is perfect, no bugs left to find |
| 12:43.20 | bewees | Hi, I didn't need apt-cacher to setup a local repository. I just had to mount the ftpsynced packages and make a symlink to /var/www/debian. With an apache2 server I could then just access the repository from my local network with http://192.168.0.2/debian/ debian main contrib |
| 12:43.25 | cromag | it says so in ze intarhntez |
| 12:43.27 | xreal | cromag: "14 days without a bug" ? |
| 12:43.47 | cromag | you might find hidden features in debian |
| 12:43.51 | cromag | but bugs are removed |
| 12:44.16 | bewees | cromag, You talk about wheezy? |
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| 13:03.40 | busch | flami: ddrescure`s reverse option looks fine for me. But how do i backup the first 100M with ddrescue? |
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| 13:06.23 | busch | flami: Backup up the whole partition isnt possible du to capacity issues ;) |
| 13:06.48 | flami | what you mean --size? |
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| 13:07.19 | flami | have you tried man ddrescue? |
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| 13:08.25 | busch | flami: Yes. I cant see any option like bs in dd |
| 13:09.46 | busch | flami: Oh, -s |
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| 13:11.55 | busch | flami: So: ddrescue --reverse --max-size=100M /dev/sdc1 /home/partition_backup/sdc1/last_100M.bin should do the job? |
| 13:12.28 | flami | oh boy been a while . soo uhhm maybe? |
| 13:12.30 | flami | :P |
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| 13:15.38 | wonko | so i've got a wheezy box i've just setup. it's mounting iSCSI volumes from a dell MD3220i. All but one get picked up by multipathd. one doesn't and I'm not entirely sure why or how to figure out why. Any advice? |
| 13:16.17 | wonko | 'show paths' shows the sd* devices for that lun as 'orphan' |
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| 13:18.54 | flami | busch: you could also do dd skip=100mb before the end bs=.... |
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| 13:19.49 | romol | may I ask how everyone here deals with constant email overload, managing projects, managing tasks (from a tracking system, and the inbox), and keeping on top of it all? |
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| 13:21.05 | Stukii | hello guis |
| 13:21.14 | romol | hi] |
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| 13:21.37 | Stukii | how to purge mysql when E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:21.37 | Stukii | is used? |
| 13:22.07 | themill | Stukii: so, is another process using it |
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| 13:22.17 | themill | (the answer is "yes") |
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| 13:22.32 | Stukii | how I can force purge & reinstall it ? |
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| 13:23.20 | Stukii | cuz I forgot mysql |
| 13:23.24 | Stukii | password |
| 13:23.39 | Stukii | and I don`t know to set it back or to setup a new one |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Stukii about i forgot mysql root passwd |
| 13:23.40 | Stukii | :( |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:23.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Stukii about i forgot mysql root password |
| 13:23.57 | abrotman | maybe? |
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| 13:26.19 | Stukii | root@Radio2014:~# /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 13:26.19 | Stukii | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 13:26.19 | Stukii | root@Radio2014:~# mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
| 13:26.19 | Stukii | 140228 8:26:06 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. |
| 13:26.19 | Stukii | 140228 8:26:06 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 8.0M |
| 13:26.20 | Stukii | 140228 8:26:06 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool |
| 13:26.20 | Stukii | 140228 8:26:07 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 44233 |
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| 13:26.35 | petn-randall | facepalms. |
| 13:26.51 | Stukii | http://paste.debian.net/84559/ |
| 13:27.13 | petn-randall | Stukii: It's always good to read the /topic of a channel. |
| 13:27.22 | romol | may I ask how everyone here deals with constant email overload, managing projects, managing tasks (from a tracking system, and the inbox), and keeping on top of it all? |
| 13:28.00 | petn-randall | romol: More work hours, better work flow. Is it somehow Debian-related? |
| 13:28.39 | babilen | romol: You might want to ask that question in #debian-offtopic here and on irc.oftc.net -- this channel is strictly for Debian support, but it is an interesting question |
| 13:28.50 | romol | ohh sorry |
| 13:29.00 | babilen | romol: No problem :) |
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| 13:29.51 | romol | there was one debian based question i can ask though :) how hard is it to make xorg/fluxbox my default windows manager on boot |
| 13:29.52 | romol | ? |
| 13:30.14 | SirLagz | romol: not hard |
| 13:30.30 | SirLagz | romol: should be able to choose from the greeter |
| 13:30.49 | romol | can you generally point me in the right direction? |
| 13:30.59 | romol | i just get the console |
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| 13:33.15 | babilen | romol: I would strongly recommend to use a display manager such as gdm3 to log into your window manager as that will ensure that certain services such as dbus, consolekit and logind are configured correctly. |
| 13:33.48 | babilen | romol: These display managers typically allow you to simply start "the last session" you used so that you only have to change the selection once |
| 13:33.50 | romol | so not use xorg? |
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| 13:34.22 | babilen | romol: You would still use Xorg, but you don't start it manually from the command line. |
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| 13:36.14 | romol | ohh thank you kindly sir |
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| 13:39.04 | grlpx | Hi just downloaded the latest debian-hurd image -- I'm impressed by that |
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| 13:41.27 | romol | gpirx: is hurd unstable? |
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| 13:43.23 | iateadonut | have you seen something like this before? this is a file that i just touched: ls -l ~/.ssh/ |
| 13:43.23 | iateadonut | ls: cannot access /home/xpm/.ssh/authorized_keys: Permission denied |
| 13:43.23 | iateadonut | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? authorized_keys |
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| 13:44.36 | grlpx | romol: I know, just that it's impressing what you can do with that that you cannot do with linux |
| 13:44.52 | grlpx | of course it's unstable and maybe also full of security bug |
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| 13:45.54 | jhutchins | iateadonut: are you the user who owns that folder? |
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| 13:46.57 | jhutchins | iateadonut: What do you mean tha tyou just touched that folder? |
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| 13:47.26 | romol | grlpx, if i add the unstable sources, and perform dist-upgrade, then will it update me to this release |
| 13:47.39 | romol | grlpx, what features exactly? |
| 13:47.57 | tremon | iateadonut: any kernel panics in dmesg? Either you need to run fsck, or you have no read permission for ~/.ssh |
| 13:48.29 | grlpx | romol: no, don't do that, it would destroy your system |
| 13:48.38 | romol | jhutchins, i think unstable would be a more recommended path for a desktop user who isnt in the corporate setting |
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| 13:49.06 | grlpx | romol, download the disk images and run them in kvm |
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| 13:49.28 | grlpx | http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/ |
| 13:50.24 | iateadonut | tremon, dmesg returns nothing. i didn't see any kernel panics displayed in the terminal either. |
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| 13:51.11 | grlpx | it has some interesting low level features like total freedom of mangling with the file system as a user |
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| 13:51.28 | grlpx | possibility to use virtual private networks on an application level |
| 13:52.07 | grlpx | and it has a more modular kernel |
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| 13:52.31 | grlpx | but all of this is really low level in the sense that most applications wouldn't make use of it because they are POSIX but this is very specific to hurd |
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| 13:52.58 | tremon | iateadonut: no idea then. try to ls the file as root and see what it says |
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| 13:54.28 | iateadonut | it's owned by xpm:xpm; just realized i did 644 to the directory, though instead, of 744. |
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| 13:54.32 | iateadonut | sorry, guys. thanks. |
| 13:54.51 | tremon | that'd be 755 btw |
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| 13:55.37 | mdel | any one have an idea why a package would be in Sid and Weezy, but not Jessie repos? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ttf-xfree86-nonfree |
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| 13:56.39 | jelly | dpkg, why is ttf-xfree86-nonfree not in testing |
| 13:56.40 | dpkg | ttf-xfree86-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ttf-xfree86-nonfree |
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| 13:57.23 | jelly | mdel: plug the correct package name into a link like above |
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| 13:57.30 | xgl__ | hi all |
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| 14:02.47 | mdel | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ttf-xfree86-nonfree |
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| 14:03.45 | mdel | weird...that's the right package name |
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| 14:05.37 | jelly | yeah, dunno what's happening there |
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| 14:10.39 | porton_ | Text editor with good Hebrew language and FTP support? |
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| 14:12.43 | woshty | Ardour DAW is not really maintained, right? |
| 14:13.12 | abrotman | DAW? |
| 14:13.14 | petn-randall | porton_: Text editors seldomly do FTP support. |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | porton_: those things together? |
| 14:13.38 | porton_ | petn-randall: Now I use Komodo Editor, but its Hebrew support is miserable |
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| 14:13.55 | woshty | digital audio workstation .. I am a little confused by the version numbers |
| 14:14.48 | woshty | It seems they use some version plus git snapshots that are quite recent .. maybe some licence issue. |
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| 14:15.01 | petn-randall | porton_: All UTF-8 aware editors should support writing hebrew. Or are you asking if there is one where the menus are translated ("localized")? |
| 14:15.42 | dumb | how do i install language support for my wheezy laptop? (this time, Finnish) |
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| 14:15.50 | abrotman | dumb: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:16.03 | dumb | abrotman: thanks. :) |
| 14:16.04 | porton_ | petn-randall: The editor which I now use, Komodo Editor, display a gibberish when the caret is between two Hebrew letters. It is very hard to edit Hebrew fragments of the text |
| 14:17.01 | porton_ | petn-randall: I sometimes use Kate specifically for Hebrew texts, but I am not sure whether Kate supports FTP |
| 14:17.12 | dumb | abrotman: do i get finnish user interface to users with that command? |
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| 14:19.12 | mdel | porton_: the editor doesn't need to support FTP for you to edit files over FTP |
| 14:19.34 | porton_ | mdel: I heard FUSE is a toy. Or has it matured? |
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| 14:20.34 | mdel | can't say I've ever had an issue with it, using several different fs plugins |
| 14:20.56 | porton_ | mdel: So, do you advise to move to FTPFS? |
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| 14:22.07 | Psi-Jack | So, this package, postfixadmin, annoyingly depends on mysql-server, which I'm not running the mysql-server on the same system I'm installing postfixadmin on. How do I get Debian's package management NOT to install mysql-server just so I can install another package that doesn't /really/ need the package dependancy it's claiming? |
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| 14:23.08 | mdel | porton_: I just use gvfs via nautilus |
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| 14:23.16 | mdel | you don't *need* FUSE |
| 14:23.43 | mdel | (directly, that is... gvfs may use fuse) |
| 14:23.43 | porton_ | mdel: I want to save files directly from the editor, not through nautilus route |
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| 14:24.02 | mdel | porton_: right, so mount via nautilus, open files in your editor |
| 14:24.16 | mdel | at that point is pretty much the same as editing a local file |
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| 14:32.10 | mdel | so weird, another package in wheezy and sid ,but not testing https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gstm |
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| 14:36.00 | abrotman | mdel: this happens quite often .. nothing to get worked up about |
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| 14:37.19 | mdel | abrotman: it's only strange because I know these packages have not changed in forever, so I'm curious why they would have been removed and re-added in Sid |
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| 14:39.03 | abrotman | mdel: transitions |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | mdel: oh, gstm is dead .. that package isn't active |
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| 14:41.49 | mdel | right |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | what was the other one? |
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| 14:43.12 | mdel | ttf-xfree86-nonfree |
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| 14:45.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mdel about transitions |
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| 14:46.13 | mdel | yes I know :) |
| 14:46.22 | mdel | which would be applicable if these packages had changed |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | perhaps things they *depend on* have changed ... |
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| 14:48.15 | mjdugan14 | in a pinch here...trying to boot a server configured by a no-longer-here admin...single user mode is prompting for root pw...any idea how to bypass this? need to reset said root pw |
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| 14:49.37 | mdel | boot a live cd, unless you want to muck with kernel opts in grub |
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| 14:49.43 | frostschutz | hire someone who knows linux basics :-P |
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| 14:50.17 | porton_ | Kate open dialog is filled with data VERY slowly when using FUSE through GVFS. Solution? |
| 14:50.23 | porton_ | I can't work with Kate through FUSE server of GVFS. It is way too slow. Alternatives? |
| 14:50.47 | porton_ | ... Even switching open documents takes considerable time! |
| 14:50.52 | frostschutz | the S in FUSE stands for Slow |
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| 14:51.37 | abrotman | mjdugan14: init=/bin/bash |
| 14:51.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mjdugan14 about ifrp |
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| 14:51.51 | abrotman | frostschutz: no ... |
| 14:52.06 | mdel | porton_: yup it can be slow |
| 14:53.19 | mdel | you can use sshfs, which is marginally better (thought still fuse-based) |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | Anyone ask how big the file is? |
| 14:54.28 | mjdugan14 | abrotman, thanks, just found the init part ala google ;) |
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| 14:54.41 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:55.39 | wonko | ugh |
| 14:55.40 | wonko | new problem |
| 14:56.06 | wonko | every time this VM is booted it can't find its root volume and from the initramfs prompt lvm -> vgchange -ay is needed to get it going. |
| 14:56.13 | wonko | reboot and it can't find its root again |
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| 14:59.22 | xreal | When I place new DEBs to the pool of netinstall CD, is there a "database", which I need to update? |
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| 15:15.17 | bullgard4 | [NFS 3] "The /etc/dfs/sharetab file contains a list of the current exported filesystems and under normal conditions, it reflects the contents of the /etc/dfs/dfstab file line-for-line. " In [Debian 7] this file does not exist. What file approaches its function in Debian 7? |
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| 15:20.44 | petn-randall | mjdugan14: If you can edit the boot parameter, add 'init=/bin/bash' to the kernel parameters. Then remount the root fs rewriteable, and change the password. |
| 15:20.55 | mjdugan14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.10 | petn-randall | <_< |
| 15:21.51 | petn-randall | hates it when he accidently scrolled up into the backlog without noticing. |
| 15:22.00 | mjdugan14 | :) |
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| 15:22.45 | OpenTokix | petn-randall: I do that to! - it sucks =) |
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| 15:23.04 | mjdugan14 | I've done it before only to realize a minute later that I had replied to a question from the previous day |
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| 15:24.52 | petn-randall | That's the worst. Especially when the person is still online and the name tab-completes. I wish irssi had an indicator if it's not showing the newest message of that channel. |
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| 15:28.00 | mdel | petn-randall: I've been using IRCCloud after using irssi for a long time, it also has this feature |
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| 15:28.44 | petn-randall | s/cloud/clown/ |
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| 15:29.15 | petn-randall | Sorry, I can't take a product seriously that has "cloud" in its name. |
| 15:29.16 | KryptoNite | Anyone around to answer a question? |
| 15:29.20 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 15:29.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:33.26 | KryptoNite | I am having an issue with a new Toshiba Satelite E4t-A4100. The touchpad is not recognized, and does not work. I am running kali linux which is based on debian 4.7.2. I have installed the synaptics driver via apt-get. |
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| 15:34.28 | ChrisH | !kali |
| 15:34.28 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 15:35.23 | KryptoNite | Thank you... been to the kali irc... not getting much help there. I appreciate you responding |
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| 15:35.38 | wols_ | KryptoNite: we cannot and will not respond either. it's not debian. |
| 15:35.46 | wols_ | you can check ##linux here on freenode for example |
| 15:35.51 | innmalint | Anyone have a guess as to why deb-testing-amd64 would 'freeze' up during installation? 3rd time that it's stuck at 11% while 'Configuring apt' |
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| 15:36.08 | wols_ | innmalint: you are not supposed to use the testing installer |
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| 15:36.14 | KryptoNite | thank you wols |
| 15:36.14 | wols_ | it can break for any reason and often does |
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| 15:36.35 | wols_ | use the stable installer and switch to testing |
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| 15:37.09 | innmalint | i'm going to ask this because i'm still familiarizing myself with debian -- just switch wheezy to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list, correct? |
| 15:37.16 | innmalint | or jessie.. |
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| 15:37.58 | wols_ | !tell innmalint about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:37.58 | zykotick9 | !tell innmalint about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:38.00 | porton_ | Which GVFS compatible text editor would you recommend? GEdit has bad Perl syntax highlighting |
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| 15:39.29 | innmalint | thanks all |
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| 15:42.07 | jhutchins | porton_: vi |
| 15:42.27 | porton_ | jhutchins: I want a modern editor. Also does vi support GVFS? |
| 15:42.42 | jhutchins | porton_: vi is as modern as anything. |
| 15:42.49 | xand | vim |
| 15:42.50 | xand | :) |
| 15:43.14 | jhutchins | porton_: An editor does not have filesystem support. |
| 15:43.26 | porton_ | jhutchins: GEdit has |
| 15:43.33 | xand | well |
| 15:43.37 | jhutchins | porton_: No, it actually doesn't. |
| 15:43.53 | mjdugan14 | vim + powerline + ctags + NerdTREE + some other stuffs |
| 15:43.55 | porton_ | jhutchins: it is linked to Gnome libraries and thus supports GVFS |
| 15:43.56 | biketron | whois malik_ |
| 15:44.07 | mjdugan14 | biketron forgetting a / ? |
| 15:44.17 | biketron | mjdugan14: jep |
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| 15:47.10 | petern_ | porton_, vim-gnome doesn't either. you can of course use the fuse gvfs stuff, but... :S |
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| 15:48.56 | zykotick9 | likes to make all his editor decisions based on the quasi-filesystem being used... </sarcasm> |
| 15:49.21 | porton_ | Is there a KDE analog of GVFS? |
| 15:49.31 | petern_ | kio slaves or something like that |
| 15:50.11 | porton_ | How to connect Kate to FTP? |
| 15:50.22 | xand | !ftp |
| 15:50.24 | petern_ | gvfs isn't a quasi-filesystem |
| 15:50.30 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 15:50.32 | xand | lame. |
| 15:50.44 | xand | but, mount things properly? |
| 15:50.48 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 15:50.59 | porton_ | xand: I agree, FTP must die. But our company is stick to FTP |
| 15:51.00 | zykotick9 | petern_: sorry, "virtual-filesystem" |
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| 16:03.46 | hanasaki | have a 64 bit install that is downloading Hit http://http.us.debian.org wheezy/main i386 Packages on apt-get update. there are no 386 urls in the sources and architecture has not been added to the system... how do you find what is causing this and remove it? |
| 16:04.20 | eb0t | how do i get packet tracer on debian |
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| 16:05.54 | zykotick9 | eb0t: you mean that Cisco simulator thing? that's non-free and not in debian repos... ask cisco |
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| 16:06.04 | jhutchins | hanasaki: Don't worry about it. |
| 16:06.06 | eb0t | ah ok |
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| 16:06.41 | waqstar | eb0t, gns3 is good |
| 16:06.52 | eb0t | yes i got the gns3 |
| 16:07.02 | eb0t | but i hav elots of packet tracer labs that can be answered |
| 16:07.12 | eb0t | so i would rather run it without using wine |
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| 16:10.35 | waqstar | eb0t, ah, check out ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2076962 |
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| 16:11.04 | biketron | Hey did anybody here got dovecot with BLF-CRYPT working? |
| 16:11.09 | acu2 | hello, can anyone point me to the people responsible for jessie release team ? |
| 16:11.23 | petn-randall | acu2: What do you want to do? |
| 16:12.04 | acu2 | petn-randall: I want to know what are the 5 major bottlneks or points, which alleviated, could accellerate the stable release of jessie |
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| 16:12.28 | petn-randall | acu2: You don't need to ask the release managers for that. All 5 points are RC bugs. |
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| 16:12.41 | eb0t | thanks waqstar |
| 16:12.42 | mjt | more than 5 actually, much more :) |
| 16:13.25 | acu2 | petn-randall: so I could just make a team of let's say 20 people who work 24/7 to fix the bugs |
| 16:13.26 | petn-randall | mjt: Well, those are the 5 most important points, just as the other 250 ;) |
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| 16:13.41 | mjt | ;) |
| 16:14.05 | acu2 | petn-randall, so I need testers and debugers |
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| 16:15.04 | acu2 | petn-randall, or how would you organize this bounty ? Let's say you have both, advanced users and developers |
| 16:15.10 | petn-randall | acu2: If you want to contribute, identify which RC bugs you could fix the easiest, and work on fixing those. Unless you're known in the Debian community, I doubt people will follow your lead in a team. |
| 16:16.04 | hanasaki | jhutchins: really don't want the 386 arch.. |
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| 16:17.37 | acu2 | petn-randall, can I recruit perhaps pay people to supplement and help the debian team which works on them ? |
| 16:18.08 | petn-randall | acu2: No one's stopping you, but what budget are we talking about? |
| 16:18.21 | acu2 | anyhow, there are 400 bugs or so, if you have 100 people, this can be solved in two months |
| 16:18.40 | petn-randall | acu2: You're surely new to Debian ... |
| 16:19.00 | jordanm | not all RC bugs are solvable without either forking upstream or removal from debian |
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| 16:19.07 | acu2 | petn-randall, I do not know what is needed, that is why I am here to find out what is the structure and mechanism, I will look more in debian website |
| 16:19.09 | jordanm | in particular RC bugs around licensing issues |
| 16:19.09 | mjdugan14 | &or linux in general... |
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| 16:20.28 | petn-randall | acu2: If you want to contribute, pick those RC bugs that you can fix, and work on them. You'll gain experience and insight on how the release process works that way. |
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| 16:22.43 | petn-randall | acu2: If you're really optimistic, we're at least a year away from the release, 2 months is pure fantasy. |
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| 16:25.08 | petn-randall | acu2: And I doubt you've got a budget of ~180,000$/month to pay 20 people to work 24/7. Besides, they'd want reasonable work hours, anyway. |
| 16:26.08 | acu2 | petn-randall: I know, the bets for release are for june 2015, and I am trying to see whether there are structural of specific aspects which can accellerate the release |
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| 16:26.29 | petn-randall | acu2: Yes. Fix RC bugs. |
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| 16:27.17 | acu2 | So simple one would be a bug bounty |
| 16:27.22 | tremon | acu2: first and foremost, jessie hasn't even been frozen yet. If you want to speed up the release, you need to advance the freeze date for jessie, which is set for november 2014 iirc |
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| 16:28.48 | mjdugan14 | acu2, learn C & assembly and rewrite the kernel ;) |
| 16:29.06 | tremon | after the freeze, the release will happen when the number of RC bugs is zero. And as per http://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/2014/02/25#740000 -- debian usually receives 40.000 bug reports per year |
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| 16:30.40 | acu2 | is there any documentation, logs of technical discussions how all this things are decided ? I think the freeze date is key, I know it may be helpful because it syncs with then newest release of openstack |
| 16:30.53 | zykotick9 | tremon: i started using debian the weekend squeeze was released (so not a long history), but the release happening when RC bugs reach 0 - didn't happen for wheezy (like i thought it would, and instead a date was simply chosen) |
| 16:32.01 | petn-randall | zykotick9: Well, it was ~0, I think those left open at that time were decided to be not release critical, and then everything moved forward. |
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| 16:32.19 | tremon | zykotick9: yes, once the number of RC bugs gets very low, some bugs might get deferred to the .1 release. But that's usually only done for a handful of bugs |
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| 16:32.24 | acu2 | I wonder whether the fact that 9 different architectures are supported, could be a serious challenge, specially that some may be extinct, but still require bug fix |
| 16:32.40 | tremon | acu2: iirc, the freeze date is set (or at least discussed) at debconf |
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| 16:33.24 | tremon | acu2: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html |
| 16:33.29 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: tremon i agree with both your statements, just wanted to point out that RC bugs = 0, isn't entirely acurate... i'm NOT complaining, it makes sense to me (or there might never be a release) |
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| 16:34.40 | tremon | acu2: maybe this discussion is better taken to #debian-next on oftc. This is a support channel for the debian release that has already happened |
| 16:34.56 | jordanm | acu2: some of us would prefer that the release cycle wasn't faster, unless support for releases was extend further than 1yr after the next release |
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| 16:35.48 | jordanm | 3yrs of support is already too short for many |
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| 16:36.19 | jelly | it's not that 3 years is too short, two years upgrade steps are. |
| 16:36.27 | nonconvergent | I've been having a lot of issues with non-free flash crashing lately |
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| 16:37.22 | tremon | nonconvergent: what did adobe have to say about it? :) |
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| 16:37.36 | acu2 | tremon you are right, I will go to offtopic jordanm, you are right, I am trying to look of how ubuntu is working with LTS, on the other hand the speed of release of major components is so high (e.g. openstack) etc... |
| 16:38.11 | nonconvergent | I never ran update-flashplugin-nonfree before. Maybe that'll help? |
| 16:38.20 | tremon | it might |
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| 16:39.29 | asdz | What kind of record do i need to be able to do "ping example.com" |
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| 16:40.35 | tremon | assuming you mean a DNS record, it's A |
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| 16:42.58 | asdz | tremon: Yes and i thought that too. I tried with * but that is a wildcard |
| 16:43.17 | asdz | tremon: i need to fill in the subdomain |
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| 16:44.57 | tremon | ah you mean a tld explicitly. No, you still need an A record but in the .com domain, not your example.com subdomain. You might try asking #networking how you'd go about requesting that |
| 16:44.57 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 16:45.35 | asdz | tremon: okey thanks |
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| 16:49.23 | eb0t | hi ..i have a .gz file |
| 16:49.28 | eb0t | not a tar.gz file |
| 16:49.32 | eb0t | is there a difference |
| 16:49.43 | acu2 | OK, so I will go on debian-next, at this point I am wondering if jessie will have edx-code, bigbluebutton and whether the backuppc 4 (now it is in alpha 3) will be instead of 3.2 version |
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| 16:58.15 | nonconvergent | pepperflash from wheezy-backports seems to work better. |
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| 16:59.06 | biketron | eb0t: yes there is a difference. The .tar.gz is an Gziped tar archive while the .gz is an Gziped archive. |
| 16:59.29 | zykotick9 | eb0t: .gz means it's been compressed with gzip - you can .gz ANY file type - tar is one file type, to store multiple files in just one ;) best of luck. |
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| 17:15.12 | gnugnu8_ | Why do got some debian package a '0' at end of its name? |
| 17:15.12 | gnugnu8_ | E.g. libaugeas0 |
| 17:15.20 | gnugnu8_ | Why not just libaugeas |
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| 17:17.05 | lvh | Hi! |
| 17:17.24 | lvh | Is there a way to tell apt-get or aptitude to install a version x.y of a package *or better*? |
| 17:17.35 | lvh | I'm using stable + backports pinned to stable. |
| 17:17.48 | lvh | I'd like to install at least 6.5 of openssh-server. |
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| 17:18.35 | jelly | grand_grunt: 8.1 https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
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| 17:19.13 | jelly | grand_grunt: in particular, "This allows several versions of the shared library to be installed at the same time," |
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| 17:20.12 | Brigo | jelly, too late :-) gnugnu8 has gone. |
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| 17:21.10 | jelly | not really |
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| 17:27.47 | tezl | hi, when trying to use debconf-set-selections with input from the output of debconf-get-selections, I get errors like "warning: Unknown type error, skipping line 16" -- why is this? |
| 17:28.33 | jhutchins | tezl: An obvious question would be "what's on line 16"? |
| 17:28.38 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:35.24 | loquilo_ | hi, is it possible to install a Debian directly on a hard drive with SSH access (I have no display screen for my server... or if you have an other solution for this issue, maybe?) |
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| 17:37.15 | flami | loquilo_: you mean you already have working ssh on that server? |
| 17:37.23 | loquilo_ | no I have nothing |
| 17:37.26 | loquilo_ | any OS |
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| 17:37.56 | flami | then how will you get the data on there in the 1st place? |
| 17:38.22 | Hommie | lol |
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| 17:40.53 | musca | loquilo_: surely an advaced topic https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 17:41.19 | loquilo_ | flami, I connected the hard drive to my main PC |
| 17:41.26 | flami | ohhh |
| 17:41.53 | flami | in that case. install debian on your pc. customise it. swap hdd back into your server |
| 17:42.25 | loquilo_ | ok nice ;) |
| 17:42.30 | flami | unless your server is like an ultraspark and your main pc is x86 there should be no problem |
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| 17:42.40 | loquilo_ | x64* |
| 17:43.10 | loquilo_ | wow |
| 17:43.11 | flami | yeah just install it on your main pc, then swap hdd over. ... don't forget to install ssh |
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| 17:43.17 | loquilo_ | yep |
| 17:43.23 | loquilo_ | thanks for the help see u ;) |
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| 17:52.36 | eb0t | i have installed packet tracer on debian...but it wont run...it is in the applications menu and everyting just wont run |
| 17:52.39 | eb0t | any ideas |
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| 17:54.31 | Sbroker | fucking split |
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| 18:15.44 | debian_uuid_erro | HI ALL |
| 18:15.48 | debian_uuid_erro | hi all |
| 18:15.53 | debian_uuid_erro | any help please? |
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| 18:16.36 | debian_uuid_erro | please I get an error any time I try to install in my debian syntax error: invalid uid in statoverride file |
| 18:16.46 | debian_uuid_erro | this a disk problem ? |
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| 18:18.18 | eb0t | has anyone run packet tracer on debian wheezy |
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| 18:18.24 | eb0t | what is the secret |
| 18:18.32 | eb0t | its really starting to piss ME OFF |
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| 18:18.58 | cntrx | debian_uuid_erro, Have you searched online for this error message? |
| 18:19.27 | debian_uuid_erro | cntrx: yes, but there is not enough info about it |
| 18:19.49 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: When do you get that error and how do you try to install Debian? Which image did you use and what did you do with it? |
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| 18:21.37 | debian_uuid_erro | I have Debian-70-wheezy-64-minimal , when I try to intall aptitude install vim for example I get this error, this error suddenly |
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| 18:22.25 | debian_uuid_erro | probably i can not write in ths disk? |
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| 18:25.36 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Could you paste your exact commands, the content of /etc/apt/sources.list and the output to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link? |
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| 18:27.44 | debian_uuid_erro | http://paste.debian.net/84613/ |
| 18:27.52 | debian_uuid_erro | maybe a fsdidk -l ?¡ |
| 18:28.06 | debian_uuid_erro | and /ets/fstab ? |
| 18:28.26 | kennethd | I am at a loss trying to get my new thinkpad x1 carbon to recognize its wireless. firmware-iwlwifi is installed, the firmware is in /lib/firmware, modprobe succeeds, but ifconfig -a only shows the loopback |
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| 18:29.53 | porton | What is /usr/share/bug and how to use it? |
| 18:30.03 | debian_uuid_erro | http://paste.debian.net/84614/ |
| 18:30.19 | mavhk | hi, installing debian stable on a new computer, doesn't recognise the ethernet controller, I installed from an iso mounted on a usb disk with easy2boot, so a) can I add that iso as a fake cdrom to apt-cdrom, and b) is everything needed to compile on cd1? |
| 18:30.33 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Could you also paste your /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride and /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride-old to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 18:30.55 | Daveee | how frequently does testing run into brakages? a rough guess |
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| 18:31.41 | babilen | porton: It's where we store interesting bugs. We try to enable them when the workload is high and use them to test the ability of the user based on how fast it takes her to fix it. |
| 18:31.43 | mavhk | depends how much of it you use, I ran it on a server with no problems, file, print etc |
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| 18:31.58 | Daveee | what about desktop use mavhk? |
| 18:31.58 | babilen | porton: But in earnest: They are scripts used by reportbug when you report a bug. |
| 18:32.06 | mavhk | don't know |
| 18:32.16 | porton | babilen: They are used automatically by `reportbug`, yes? |
| 18:32.18 | Daveee | is it 'stable' enough to run |
| 18:32.26 | babilen | mavhk: Which controller is it? |
| 18:32.30 | eb0t | does anyone know how to get packet tracer working on debian |
| 18:32.31 | babilen | porton: Exactly |
| 18:32.32 | eb0t | wheezy |
| 18:32.43 | cntrx | Daveee, I never have a problem with it, but I also know what I'm doing so I might not remember breakages that I fixed easily. |
| 18:32.58 | debian_uuid_erro | http://paste.debian.net/84616/ |
| 18:33.14 | mavhk | there's 2, manual says giga phy intel I217V and gigalna intel I211AT |
| 18:33.20 | Daveee | cntrx: I have no problem fixing breakages, just dont want a system disaster lol |
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| 18:33.36 | eb0t | is there anyone here that knows about cisco |
| 18:33.45 | cntrx | Daveee, Yeah, system-level disaster doesn't happen in Testing anymore. |
| 18:33.45 | eb0t | and packet tracer on debian |
| 18:33.46 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: What do you mean by "I commented first mlocate to get the uuid error" ? |
| 18:33.56 | eb0t | surely someone has done packet tracer on debian |
| 18:33.59 | Daveee | cntrx: excellent all i needed, thanks |
| 18:34.03 | eb0t | unless i am the first to attemtp it |
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| 18:34.13 | eb0t | you windows guys |
| 18:34.17 | mavhk | babilen: according to intel's website that's e1000e, and igb, just later versions I suppose |
| 18:34.20 | eb0t | please leave the room |
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| 18:34.39 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: #root mlocate 2755 /usr/bin/mlocate |
| 18:34.43 | cntrx | eb0t, What is "packet tracer" ? |
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| 18:34.52 | babilen | eb0t: Please try to stay civil and polite in here. |
| 18:34.58 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Why did you do that? |
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| 18:36.18 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: without comment i get this : dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: reading files list for package 'debconf-i18n': Input/output error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 18:36.22 | babilen | mavhk: Do you have the pciid by chance? Would it be an option to install debian without a working network connection and to fix this afterwards? |
| 18:36.50 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Well, don't temper with important files like that and please paste the actual error you are trying to fix |
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| 18:36.59 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: comment : i get this : dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: invalid uid in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 18:37.15 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Please use http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:37.19 | mavhk | babilen: I've installed it from cd-1, but now can't install the stuff to compile the driver, I'll get the psiid, lspci? |
| 18:37.28 | debian_uuid_erro | ok |
| 18:37.59 | babilen | mavhk: You don't have to compile a driver .. that is almost never necessary. If you could run "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" and give me the alphanumerical identifier at the end we could work with that. |
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| 18:39.08 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: And please also provide a little more context. Please keep in mind that I have no idea what you have been doing in the last couple of hours. Did you, for any reason, remove or tinker with the mlocate user? |
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| 18:40.52 | mavhk | babilen: i217-v 8086:153b rev 05, i211 8086:1539 rev 03, amd64 debian 7.4.0 cd |
| 18:41.07 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:153b |
| 18:41.09 | judd | [8086:153b] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-V' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153b |
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| 18:41.32 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: yes I removed already |
| 18:41.34 | babilen | That looks pretty new :) |
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| 18:42.05 | babilen | mavhk: You could try to install the kernel from backports (cf. /msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Are you currently connected to the internet by other means? |
| 18:42.25 | debian_uuid_erro | debian_uuid_erro: sorry I did not understand what did you mean before |
| 18:42.35 | eb0t | ah well |
| 18:42.50 | mavhk | that computer isn't, my other computers are, but none run the same os |
| 18:42.54 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Why did you do that? Please try to come up with a more specific problem description that actually allows me to figure out what you've done. |
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| 18:43.41 | mavhk | asrock z87 extreme6, been around about 6 months it seems |
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| 18:44.35 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: ok, I have debian wheezy 64 bits, everything was working fine , but some days ago, I can not install any package like (vim or gedit) , just get errors |
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| 18:45.27 | babilen | mavhk: Okay, you can download the backported kernel from http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ and install it manually -- you might want to grab firmware-linux-nonfree and maybe linux-base from there too, put it on a USB stick and install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/the/packages.deb" |
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| 18:46.09 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Well, that isn't the whole story no is it? It leaves out the fact that you removed mlocate (how/why?) and edited the statoverride file for example. |
| 18:48.06 | babilen | mavhk: I can see that modinfo lists that NIC on the 3.12 kernel that I am running, so I think that installing the backported kernel will sort you out. |
| 18:48.10 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: no no I did not understand what do you mean with mlocate , to show the error I just commented, but is uncommented now statoverride file |
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| 18:48.54 | grawity | jaami: it seems you *are* in this channel |
| 18:49.04 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: So paste the error you have *now* the one you are actually trying to fix. The error that made you edit the statoverride file for some reason. |
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| 18:50.47 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: I just this error : http://paste.debian.net/84621/ |
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| 18:51.05 | mavhk | babilen: ok, I'll have a go, thanks |
| 18:51.46 | babilen | mavhk: Let me know if you run into problems -- but it should be fairly straighforward. You might have to grab additional packages from backports (haven't checked, but those come to mind now) |
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| 18:53.14 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: What does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf-i18n.list" give you ? What is the content of that file? |
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| 18:54.51 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/84622/ |
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| 18:55.52 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Okay, what's the content? |
| 18:55.56 | Chiyo | jaami, poke? |
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| 18:56.23 | babilen | Chiyo, jaami, grawity: Can we help you somehow? |
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| 18:57.04 | Chiyo | babilen, jaakkos can't seen to find this channel dispute being in it (me and grawity) are from #irchelp |
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| 18:58.10 | babilen | Chiyo: Ah, well .. it is hard to find something you already found ;) |
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| 19:02.11 | issphp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.13 | babilen | issphp: "find / -type f -executable" |
| 19:03.21 | debian_uuid_erro | debian_uuid_erro: http://paste.debian.net/84624/ |
| 19:03.22 | babilen | issphp: Ah, running! |
| 19:03.46 | babilen | issphp: Sorry, I misunderstood that question. |
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| 19:03.49 | jhutchins | issphp: What's the reason behind your search? |
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| 19:04.21 | tremon | issphp: and scripts like python or ruby, are they to be included? |
| 19:04.25 | issphp | babilen: hey, i ran this command on my comp and it outputed also a zip file lol |
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| 19:04.36 | issphp | tremon: could be i dont mind |
| 19:04.42 | issphp | jhutchins: research |
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| 19:04.50 | issphp | jhutchins: just a hobby |
| 19:04.59 | Brigo | issphp, and java? |
| 19:04.59 | issphp | jhutchins: i like knowing stuff :) |
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| 19:05.10 | issphp | Brigo: yup |
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| 19:05.21 | jhutchins | issphp: Take a closer look at the output of ps ax then. |
| 19:05.27 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: You seem to have a corrupted file or a broken harddisk there. What does "dmesg|tail -n42" give you? What about "smartctl -a /dev/sda" and "mount" ? |
| 19:05.58 | issphp | jhutchins: i want it to be automated, im building a script for it |
| 19:06.00 | tremon | oh, just a hobby. Well, in that case the answers involves readlinking all /proc/$pid/exe links, and running file on them |
| 19:06.03 | jhutchins | issphp: zip files can be executable btw. |
| 19:06.19 | tremon | or any other file identification tool |
| 19:06.24 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/84625/ |
| 19:06.33 | issphp | jhutchins: like execute code on the system ? |
| 19:07.12 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Looks as if your harddrive is dying -- If you could paste the output of the other two commands I'd know more. |
| 19:07.36 | towo` | babilen, could even be a crappy ata cable |
| 19:07.42 | towo` | *sata |
| 19:07.43 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/84626/ |
| 19:07.46 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Oh, and throw in that output of "smartctl -a /dev/sdb" too |
| 19:08.02 | debian_uuid_erro | smartctl do not have this command |
| 19:08.06 | babilen | towo`: yeah, smart status codes should reveal that |
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| 19:08.34 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Oh, pity. You might want to check your cables and reboot into a rescue live cd and then perform smartctl checks. |
| 19:09.01 | issphp | tremon: do you think its possible ? |
| 19:09.09 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: I asked yestarday for a check the harddisk for that server |
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| 19:09.29 | debian_uuid_erro | but I didnot get any answer yet |
| 19:09.43 | loquilo | hi |
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| 19:09.44 | tremon | issphp: possible in what sense? I already gave you one way to do it, see plm. 20 lines above |
| 19:10.09 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Well, then be patient. You did *not* mention that either. Seriously, you are making it *very* hard to help you if you simply don't tell us at all what you've been doing. |
| 19:10.31 | Guest93699 | when I want to intall openssh-server, the command prompt says : "insert disc DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 7.4.0 Wheezy official", any idea? |
| 19:10.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Guest93699 -about wheezy sources.list |
| 19:10.56 | babilen | meh |
| 19:11.01 | tylerjd | lol |
| 19:11.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell loquilq -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 19:11.13 | loquilq | sorry babilen :p |
| 19:11.41 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: I try to find some help about it, because I need to install some package but support is too slow |
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| 19:11.50 | debian_uuid_erro | babilen: thank you for your help |
| 19:11.56 | babilen | loquilq: You want to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make it look like http://paste.debian.net/84628/ -- then run "apt-get update" to activate your changes. That should allow you to download packages from the internet. |
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| 19:12.14 | loquilq | ok thanks I'm going to do it |
| 19:12.26 | issphp | tremon: so this command should work ? sudo find /proc/ -type f -executable |
| 19:12.32 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Yeah, but remember for the next time: Ask about the *actual* problem you want to solve not some problem you created while trying to fix the original one. |
| 19:12.32 | eb0t | /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./PacketTracer6) |
| 19:12.37 | eb0t | what does that mean |
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| 19:13.17 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: Also information such as: I have a server with disk problems, contacted tech support already, but haven't heard back. Symptoms are this: http://paste.debian.net/.... -- Is there anything I can do about it? |
| 19:13.28 | babilen | debian_uuid_erro: ... would be appreciated |
| 19:13.46 | tremon | issphp: that's not what I said, but try it anyway. I don't know |
| 19:13.46 | centrx | eb0t, It means you are running some random software that requires a different version of libc |
| 19:14.03 | babilen | eb0t: It means that you are running a binary that wasn't compiled for Debian on Debian. They do, most likely, target Ubuntu. |
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| 19:14.24 | Joshun | hi |
| 19:14.42 | Joshun | is there a reason why executable bit needs to be set on a folder in order to make any files in it? |
| 19:15.18 | centrx | Joshun, That is how directories work. |
| 19:15.23 | babilen | eb0t: If you are looking for a "play network" tool you might want to look into gns3 |
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| 19:15.32 | tremon | it doesn't (you can still create files in it), you just can't traverse that directory |
| 19:15.37 | babilen | Joshun: Yes, you have to able to "open" it. |
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| 19:15.43 | Joshun | centrx - surely read and write should be enough, i.e. 660 |
| 19:15.46 | jhutchins | debian_uuid_erro: Do you have physical acccess to the system? |
| 19:15.50 | babilen | Joshun: Well, if you want to go into it that is |
| 19:16.00 | issphp | tremon: why does it crash ? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/05b9fb44/ |
| 19:16.12 | debian_uuid_erro | jhutchins: no, i am in peru , the server in germany |
| 19:16.13 | debian_uuid_erro | :D |
| 19:16.24 | babilen | .oO( I am in Germany ) |
| 19:16.32 | abrotman | is in babilen |
| 19:16.32 | debian_uuid_erro | :D |
| 19:16.36 | Joshun | babilen - oh, ok. but what determines the permission of who can delete a folder? |
| 19:16.50 | tremon | issphp: that's not a crash, those are error messages. there's a difference :) |
| 19:17.06 | issphp | tremon: lol, how do you ignore them |
| 19:17.08 | tremon | Joshun: the write permission on the parent folder |
| 19:17.25 | tremon | issphp: add 2>/dev/null at the end of that command |
| 19:17.31 | babilen | s/folder/directory -- bah Windows! |
| 19:17.37 | Joshun | tremon - ah, thanks |
| 19:17.45 | tremon | babilen: I'm sorry |
| 19:17.53 | babilen | It's okay :) |
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| 19:18.23 | tremon | ;) |
| 19:18.31 | issphp | tremon: what does '2' mean ? could you tell me what to search on google to learn this ? |
| 19:18.44 | issphp | tremon: it means stderr output ? |
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| 19:19.44 | tremon | yes, 2> redirects file descriptor number 2 (which is stderr). Probably the google incantiontation involves the words unix, shell, file and descriptor (though not necessarily in that order) |
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| 19:20.10 | tremon | bah. s/$garbage/incantation/ |
| 19:20.46 | Okee | Is there another editor besides xournal? It generally works quite well on pdf, but I have a pdf that it won't open up. |
| 19:20.56 | tremon | issphp: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput#File_Descriptors -- and you might want to continue your hobby on #bash, they'll have a lot more to offer |
| 19:22.10 | issphp | tremon: thanks alot |
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| 19:24.03 | eb0t | yes babilen i got the gns 3 its just that i got loads of packet tracer labs that test all the required stuff |
| 19:24.21 | eb0t | sorry im late with that |
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| 19:25.40 | Chiyo | jaami, poke 2 |
| 19:25.44 | Chiyo | =/ |
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| 19:26.29 | Hansel | hello, i trying to grow a ext4 FS but resize2fs hangs on me. |
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| 19:27.12 | jhutchins | Hansel: Ok. |
| 19:27.38 | Hansel | i tried online, offline, strace it. i dont see weird |
| 19:27.44 | tremon | how long has it been hanging? online resize can take a long time |
| 19:28.16 | Hansel | tremon: i put options so the resize is almost instant, last 2 times i did it was instant |
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| 19:29.49 | tremon | ran fsck -f recently? Other than that, it might be a kernel or e2fsprogs bug. Have you tried the backports versions, or is this a production machine? |
| 19:30.39 | jhutchins | Hansel: WHat command are you using? What does your partition table look like? (fdisk -l). Is there enough space? What kind of device are you working on? |
| 19:30.44 | Hansel | tremon: i can still access my data without any problem. i downloaded e2fsprogs and compiled it (no install) same results |
| 19:31.04 | Hansel | jhutchins: its a cryptesetup device |
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| 19:31.35 | Hansel | resize2fs -p /dev/mapper/myfs0 |
| 19:32.07 | Hansel | jhutchins: there is ~3tb free space |
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| 19:32.59 | tremon | tried running with -d30? |
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| 19:34.11 | jhutchins | Hansel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions |
| 19:34.20 | Hansel | still hangs -> resize2fs 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014) |
| 19:35.06 | tremon | if it hangs there, it doesn't even start resizing (which is a good thing, or you'd have a corrupted filesystem very fast) |
| 19:35.39 | Hansel | jhutchins: this doc doesnt reflet my setup |
| 19:36.05 | Hansel | its not my whole vg thats ecrypted its only 1 lv from it |
| 19:36.38 | tremon | Hansel: I'd still run an fsck -f on it and try the upstream e2fsprogs list. Sounds like a problem they will be interested in |
| 19:37.16 | Hansel | tremon: e2fsck says its clean |
| 19:37.29 | Hansel | oh i see -f |
| 19:37.32 | Hansel | ummm |
| 19:37.45 | tremon | I'd backup first, just in case |
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| 19:38.46 | Hansel | tremon: can backup 32tb |
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| 19:38.49 | Hansel | cant* |
| 19:39.24 | tremon | ooh. living dangerously, eh? resizing a filesystem with 32tb of unprotected data? |
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| 19:40.47 | Hansel | tremon: done it since i had 10tb |
| 19:40.54 | Hansel | tremon: never had a problem |
| 19:41.04 | jhutchins | Hansel: Doesn't mean it's smart. You haven't had a problem YET. |
| 19:41.05 | tremon | you only need one problem though |
| 19:41.15 | Hansel | i even convert to btrfs once and rollback with the snapshot :) |
| 19:41.24 | Hansel | jhutchins: agree |
| 19:42.09 | Hansel | resize2fs, if i dont give him any size, it will just take watever space it can? |
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| 19:42.43 | tremon | well, "it can" == size of underlying device (in your case, size of luks container |
| 19:42.45 | tremon | ) |
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| 19:45.10 | Hansel | 69578468992 luks container ### 27487790694400 ext4 |
| 19:45.38 | tremon | that looks worrying |
| 19:45.43 | Hansel | strace from resize2fs hans @ lseek(3, 31662498906112, SEEK_SET) = 31662498906112 |
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| 19:45.57 | Hansel | bahhh, wrongs numbers |
| 19:46.03 | tremon | different base? |
| 19:46.27 | Hansel | tremon: cant tell, its out of my league a lil bit |
| 19:46.48 | Hansel | i got the luks contianer size with 'blockdev --getsz' |
| 19:47.17 | Hansel | tremon: just waiting to get home to try with rescuecd |
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| 19:47.57 | jelly-home | Hansel: resize2fs uses the whole device size (maximum) by default |
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| 19:48.11 | tremon | if the 69578468992 size is in 4k sectors, it corresponds to 284993408991232 or roughly 28TB, not 31 |
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| 19:48.37 | jelly-home | ±10% |
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| 19:49.18 | tremon | yeah, with T=10^12 |
| 19:49.28 | frostschutz | didn't have ext* have a 16TB limit? |
| 19:49.35 | midacts | with 'net ads join' to join debian to Active Directory, how would you guys script that for multiple machines? I am just sketched out about putting a username/password in a script |
| 19:49.41 | tremon | for individual files, I though |
| 19:49.44 | tremon | t |
| 19:50.17 | cardiel | someone using gnome shell on testing? i recently upgraded and now the desktop background won't work, its just white |
| 19:50.26 | cardiel | is there anyway to solve this? |
| 19:50.30 | frostschutz | no, I remember resize2fs not being able to grow past a certain point |
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| 19:51.13 | frostschutz | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/33531 |
| 19:51.15 | Hansel | frostschutz: ext3 does, ext4 is 16eib i think |
| 19:51.16 | tremon | midacts: assuming the machines are already linux-managed, you can use ssh keys to fetch that password from a central server. That at least avoids spreading to password around |
| 19:51.34 | babilen | cardiel: Known bug, ask testing questions in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:51.52 | babilen | cardiel: Oh, and install apt-listbugs and configure it to show important bugs too |
| 19:51.56 | cardiel | babilen: ok thanks..will try there |
| 19:52.00 | midacts | tremon: I was looking at having Puppet push this out. i just dont want to have to put my password in these files if i dont have to |
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| 19:52.02 | cardiel | ok thanks |
| 19:52.27 | babilen | cardiel: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726562 |
| 19:52.29 | d1z | if I'm setting up an nfs server on my vps running debian 7 wheezy, after I install nfs-kernel-server on the vps, do I need to edit the /etc/idmapd.conf? I ask because I read one tutorial where they do it, but in this one from the debian-handbook http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.nfs-file-server.html, they don't |
| 19:52.53 | d1z | in fact the file isn't even mentioned |
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| 19:53.51 | Hansel | doing e2fsck -f right now |
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| 19:54.28 | tremon | in recent versions of nfs4, the default idmap domain is taken from the fqdn of the server. so it's only necessary if you have clients with different dns domain names |
| 19:54.33 | level7_ | hi all... I have a question about installing with apt-get |
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| 19:54.48 | level7_ | when I do: apt-get install unixodbc-dev...... I get |
| 19:54.52 | level7_ | E: Package 'unixodbc-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 19:54.54 | level7_ | any clue? |
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| 19:56.29 | tremon | level7_: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy unixodbc{,-dev} ? |
| 19:56.41 | level7_ | tremon.. where do I find it? |
| 19:56.51 | Hansel | level7_: did you apt-get update?, does the package exist? |
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| 19:57.06 | level7_ | wait sending to tremon in private |
| 19:57.35 | level7_ | apt-get install unixodbc-dev |
| 19:57.37 | level7_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:57.38 | level7_ | Building dependency tree |
| 19:57.40 | level7_ | Reading state information... Done |
| 19:57.42 | level7_ | Package unixodbc-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:57.43 | level7_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:57.43 | tremon | level7_: ah |
| 19:57.45 | level7_ | is only available from another source |
| 19:57.46 | level7_ | E: Package 'unixodbc-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 19:57.46 | tremon | stop |
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| 19:57.49 | level7_ | this is the output of the apt-get |
| 19:57.53 | tremon | !tell level7_ -about paste |
| 19:58.20 | level7_ | you said: in the channel :D |
| 19:58.22 | level7_ | lo |
| 19:58.24 | level7_ | lol |
| 19:58.33 | tremon | level7_: we use pastebins you that, not pm's :) |
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| 19:58.47 | level7_ | that's ok |
| 19:58.59 | Hansel | its ok level7_ we all do it once, :) |
| 19:59.14 | babilen | *once* |
| 19:59.22 | babilen | ;) |
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| 19:59.26 | tremon | at least debh didn't immediately kick him. nice bot |
| 19:59.32 | level7_ | http://pastebin.com/rutTVgHd |
| 19:59.42 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 19:59.42 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 19:59.56 | tremon | !tell level7_ -about sources.list |
| 20:00.24 | tremon | level7_: your system only knows about the original install cdrom, you still need to add an internet mirror for apt |
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| 20:01.14 | Hansel | th for the help guys, cya |
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| 20:02.40 | level7_ | it had 3 lines, let's see if your 3 lines are better lol |
| 20:02.56 | level7_ | yes better thank you |
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| 20:03.03 | level7_ | I guess some archives are missing |
| 20:03.10 | level7_ | bbl |
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| 20:03.34 | babilen | level7_: You should end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/84641/ if you enable everything + backports |
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| 20:06.13 | ruukasu | how do I install a package from a local mirror |
| 20:06.22 | d1z | if I'm setting up an nfs server on my vps running debian 7 wheezy, after I install nfs-kernel-server on the vps, do I need to edit the /etc/idmapd.conf? I ask because I read one tutorial where they do it, but in this one from the debian-handbook http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.nfs-file-server.html, they don't |
| 20:06.35 | babilen | ruukasu: You add the mirror to you sources.list and install the package |
| 20:06.51 | khkhkhkh | for edit only /etc/exports |
| 20:06.58 | babilen | ruukasu: Well, run "apt-get update" in the interim. List the local mirror first if you want it to take precedence |
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| 20:07.18 | ruukasu | babilen, do I have to run some kind of a server? |
| 20:07.28 | ruukasu | or can I just add the local filepath? |
| 20:07.42 | babilen | ruukasu: You don't have to run anything to be able to use a remote repository |
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| 20:07.51 | tremon | d1z: in recent versions of nfs4, the default idmap domain is taken from the fqdn of the server. so it's only necessary if you have clients with different dns domain names |
| 20:08.07 | babilen | ruukasu: Do you want to know how to configure such a repository? |
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| 20:08.28 | ruukasu | what? |
| 20:08.43 | babilen | ruukasu: Do you have a local and working repository already? |
| 20:08.59 | ruukasu | mostly, ~85/98GB |
| 20:09.11 | GeekMan1222|Desk | OMG |
| 20:09.36 | GeekMan1222|Desk | i just got a microsoft trackball optical 1.0 usb/ps2 for guess how much |
| 20:09.43 | babilen | ruukasu: Assuming this is a proper repository you can use file:// for it, ues. |
| 20:09.58 | GeekMan1222|Desk | woops wrong room |
| 20:10.11 | babilen | GeekMan1222|Desk: Does that have anything to do with Debian support? If not then please take it to the offtopic channel (#debian-offtopic) |
| 20:10.28 | babilen | ah, well |
| 20:10.39 | ruukasu | babilen, deb file:///var/spool/apt-mirror jessie main contrib non-free |
| 20:10.50 | ruukasu | or is it a directory inside apt-mirror? |
| 20:11.16 | babilen | ruukasu: I have no idea, you obviously build that mirror. Any particular reason why you don't simply use a proxy? |
| 20:11.31 | ruukasu | what? |
| 20:12.18 | babilen | ruukasu: I have no idea what kind of repository you build there -- depending on that it might be correct (missing / at the end maybe), but that really depends on what you did |
| 20:12.20 | Okee | Hmm.. Seems like I have unwanted root access to the file system. How would I shut this off? I am running Debian Stable, and I am a newbie. |
| 20:12.32 | babilen | ruukasu: What will you use that for? Why do you need a local mirror? How did you create it? |
| 20:12.53 | babilen | Okee: What do you mean by "unwanted root access" ? |
| 20:12.53 | ruukasu | made with apt-mirror, unreliable internet mostly |
| 20:13.18 | babilen | ruukasu: Well, try it, but it might just work like that. |
| 20:13.31 | Okee | babilen>I see a red colored folder for the file system when saving a file, and the file system shows up without prompting me for privileges. |
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| 20:13.37 | d1z | tremon, but what is the point of the file? I mean what is it useful for? I thought that setting Domain = somefoodomain would allow the server machine to be refereced by clients as 'somefoodomain:/path/to/mount' on their fstab files |
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| 20:13.58 | babilen | ruukasu: You configured it and created the directories and whatnot .. You can use the file:// transport in your sources.list so that is fine |
| 20:14.14 | Okee | babilen> Shouldn't the folder be "X" out, and the folder shouldn't be red. I think the red folder indicates that root access is available by default. |
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| 20:14.59 | babilen | Okee: Okay, it is almost impossible to help you with that. You can either try to reproduce the issue on the command line or paste a screenshot to, say, imgur. |
| 20:15.54 | tremon | d1z: no, it's for idmapd only. nfs4 tries to map local (client) uid's to server-based uid's based on the username instead of only trusting the uid's the client sends |
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| 20:16.12 | dizzylizzy | how do I get dotfiles out of graphical open-file menus? |
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| 20:16.24 | dizzylizzy | they're listed in directories by default now and I don't know how that happened and I don't know how to turn it off |
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| 20:17.07 | babilen | dizzylizzy: Right click -> "show hidden files" or "View -> show hidden files" or something along those lines? |
| 20:17.09 | tremon | d1z: but if you have a full nfs4 setup, you're already using centrally-provisioned uid's (ldap or other directory) so idmapd has no effect |
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| 20:18.26 | seeker61 | installed wheezy and when i do a aptitude update failed to resolve http.us.debian.org failed to resolve ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 20:18.56 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 20:19.15 | seeker61 | debian forum believes it is dns problem so how do i resolve this -- squeeze is working great |
| 20:19.36 | tremon | d1z: what you're referring to (clients reaching the server by hostname instead of fqdn) can be achieved using dns search lists (directive search in /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 20:19.37 | khkhkhkh | seeker61: did you set your /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 20:19.44 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem with usb wireless logitech keyboard on wheezy: the keyoboard seems to go in powersave and it resumes after a while |
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| 20:20.20 | seeker61 | khkhkhkh:no i have not what does it need to look like |
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| 20:20.53 | khkhkhkh | seeker61: nameserver <dns_ip> |
| 20:20.57 | d1z | tremon, ok thanks for the insight |
| 20:21.08 | Brigo | seeker61, are you sure you have internet connection? |
| 20:21.22 | frikinz | seeker61: depends what you use to configure your network |
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| 20:21.30 | seeker61 | Brigo: yes because i loaded 1365 packages |
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| 20:21.45 | Brigo | seeker61, from where? |
| 20:22.03 | seeker61 | mirror ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:22.10 | dizzylizzy | babilen: oh wow, I never thought of right-clicking :( |
| 20:22.11 | dizzylizzy | thanks |
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| 20:22.36 | khkhkhkh | seeker61: type 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 20:22.44 | khkhkhkh | what do you have? |
| 20:22.46 | babilen | dizzylizzy: You are welcome |
| 20:23.26 | seeker61 | khkhkhkh: that is the problem because i will have to shut down and then boot into wheezy on a different drive |
| 20:24.08 | teraflops | khkhkhkh: the preferred way is using resolvconf, isnt it? |
| 20:24.13 | seeker61 | what should /etc/resolv.conf have in it? nameserver <dns_ip>? |
| 20:24.23 | Brigo | seeker61, yes |
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| 20:24.49 | khkhkhkh | you set your dns server for domain resolution |
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| 20:25.08 | khkhkhkh | which allow you to translate ftp.us.debian.org to ip |
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| 20:25.48 | seeker61 | ok this is all new to me how do i set the dns server for domain resolution |
| 20:26.00 | khkhkhkh | do you use vim? |
| 20:26.00 | tremon | seeker61: while you're there, also make sure you have a network connection by checking the output of "ip route" (look for a "default via" line) |
| 20:26.12 | khkhkhkh | which text editor are you familiar? |
| 20:26.19 | seeker61 | i use nano\ |
| 20:26.20 | Brigo | seeker61, add a line to /etc/resolv.conf : nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
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| 20:26.36 | teraflops | seeker61: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers |
| 20:26.44 | khkhkhkh | echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:28.03 | tengri | seeker61: putting dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 would be a better option imho, since /etc/resolv.conf overwrites at boot |
| 20:28.15 | tengri | seeker61: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:28.54 | teraflops | yeah tengri resolvconf |
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| 20:30.18 | seeker61 | ok guys i took notes will give it a try thanks |
| 20:30.53 | jaami | babilen: sorry, i woke up late to show http://paste.debian.net/84645/ output for apt-get update and sources.list |
| 20:31.49 | khkhkhkh | tengri: resolv.conf is overwriten when dhcp is configured |
| 20:31.59 | jaami | babilen: installed iceweasel :) without warning |
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| 20:33.52 | jaami | babilen: thanks a lot !!!! |
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| 20:37.07 | teraflops | khkhkhkh: i think that's not accurate 100% |
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| 20:40.38 | khkhkhkh | teraflops: there is always exceptions :) |
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| 20:45.12 | teraflops | sure, but I think is better to say resolv.conf is overwriten when using the resolvconf util |
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| 20:48.26 | eb0t | hi i have installed packet tracer on wine |
| 20:48.33 | eb0t | then tired to uninstall packet tracer |
| 20:48.43 | eb0t | it is still in my list of applications |
| 20:48.56 | eb0t | so i tried to dpkg -r wine |
| 20:49.10 | eb0t | and still the packet tracer is in my applications menu |
| 20:49.21 | eb0t | how can i clear it out of my applications - other menu |
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| 20:50.01 | rl0 | eb0t, purge it |
| 20:50.08 | centrx | eb0t, Use whatever you used to install it. |
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| 20:50.38 | eb0t | right i ll see if i can find anything |
| 20:50.47 | eb0t | its messing my ssystem up |
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| 20:51.05 | centrx | Stick to the packages in the Debian repository for best results. |
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| 20:52.07 | eb0t | yes i think i will in future |
| 20:52.10 | eb0t | than ks |
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| 20:52.21 | Phantazmo | Hello! |
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| 20:54.53 | tremon | eb0t: try looking in ~/.local/share/applications and maybe ~/.config/menus, wine has hooks that translate windows menu shortcuts to freedesktop menus |
| 20:55.44 | tremon | somewhat useful, but wine doesn't clean up these menu entries on uninstall |
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| 20:56.09 | eb0t | thanks tremon |
| 20:56.18 | eb0t | i got rid of all the packet tracer stuff by accident |
| 20:56.21 | eb0t | it just vanished |
| 20:56.27 | eb0t | i rebooted and it was there |
| 20:56.34 | eb0t | then after about 10 minutes it had gone |
| 20:56.41 | tremon | well as long as it works :) |
| 20:57.17 | eb0t | i got rid of it because i cant get it to work on debian |
| 20:57.26 | eb0t | its just one of those things is suppose |
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| 20:58.36 | tremon | yeah, debian proves "hard" to support for companies. They're so used to being industry leaders that they just can't be bothered to support 3-years old software |
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| 20:58.58 | eb0t | linux is a big big big thing to learn ...nomatter what distro you use |
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| 20:59.10 | lo_o| | hola misters |
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| 20:59.15 | lo_o| | o/ |
| 20:59.44 | lo_o| | i get bad_blocks io error secror blahblah |
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| 20:59.58 | lo_o| | anyway to fix |
| 21:00.05 | lo_o| | i did all scans |
| 21:00.10 | lo_o| | all show no error |
| 21:00.17 | lo_o| | no bad blocks either |
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| 21:02.10 | tremon | no relocated sectors either? |
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| 21:02.33 | lo_o| | i havent realocated |
| 21:02.59 | tremon | you wouldn't. The disk would though |
| 21:03.32 | lo_o| | o |
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| 21:03.46 | tremon | check with smartctl -a (package smartmontools) |
| 21:03.59 | lo_o| | wat is my end scenario lol |
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| 21:05.04 | tremon | your end scenario is probably you buying a new disk. But that depends on what is actually broken. It may also be a failing disk controller or faulty cabling |
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| 21:05.57 | woshty | .. or power issues |
| 21:06.21 | tremon | yes, also a possibility |
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| 21:06.31 | lo_o| | ya im thinking power too |
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| 21:07.43 | Phantazmo | Hello debianers |
| 21:08.29 | jhutchins | woshty: Power is unlikely, it's more of an on-or-off thing. |
| 21:08.46 | jhutchins | lo_o|: Do you get new messages or just one? |
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| 21:10.41 | lo_o| | one |
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| 21:11.09 | jhutchins | lo_o|: Install & run smartmontools, if you get messages in your logs or if bad blocks increase get a new disk NOW. If not, you're ok to run fsck & carry on. |
| 21:11.19 | lo_o| | are ssds die quickly? |
| 21:11.30 | lo_o| | i heard they dun live long |
| 21:11.50 | lo_o| | i did the diskutility scan |
| 21:11.56 | lo_o| | which has smart scan |
| 21:12.07 | lo_o| | it gave 0 error on all things |
| 21:12.23 | lo_o| | and blockscan completed quick w out any bads |
| 21:13.05 | tremon | opinion varies, but in my experiences ssd's don't die faster than magnetic disks. They tend to die in more catastrophic ways though |
| 21:14.07 | dondelelcaro | a lot of that depends on the read/write cycle, too |
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| 21:17.51 | lo_o| | well how can i kno its dead dead |
| 21:17.56 | lo_o| | before i trash it |
| 21:17.59 | lo_o| | oooh |
| 21:18.13 | lo_o| | i guess i can just use this as media drive |
| 21:18.19 | lo_o| | and see that way |
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| 21:18.54 | ixela | it will report bad sectors/blocks |
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| 21:18.58 | ixela | if its not reporting any, its fine. |
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| 21:19.07 | lo_o| | ya exactly |
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| 21:19.19 | lo_o| | its reporting IM FINE! |
| 21:19.24 | lo_o| | but crashes wen im working |
| 21:19.29 | lo_o| | ya very nice |
| 21:19.37 | ixela | are you sure its the drive causing this? |
| 21:19.42 | tremon | if it's not reporting because smartctl isn't installed, that doesn't say anything about the disk |
| 21:20.12 | ixela | are you sure its not a controller issue or a cable issue? |
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| 21:20.24 | lo_o| | controller? |
| 21:20.27 | lo_o| | u mean mobo |
| 21:20.33 | lo_o| | coz its not a scsi |
| 21:20.42 | ixela | its ON the motherboard, but you have a serial ata controller there |
| 21:20.45 | ixela | it can have issues |
| 21:20.51 | ixela | same with the cable |
| 21:20.57 | lo_o| | yesyes the mobo is a POS |
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| 21:21.31 | lo_o| | i have other issues w it |
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| 21:22.58 | lo_o| | but this system been goin since 2009 lol |
| 21:23.02 | ixela | its probably not the drive then |
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| 21:23.29 | lo_o| | well im on my old spinny drive now |
| 21:23.29 | lo_o| | i gues ill know if its NOT the ssd |
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| 21:24.01 | lo_o| | but i think its the SSD |
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| 21:24.01 | lo_o| | or something on it |
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| 21:25.55 | lo_o| | time to upgrade this beast |
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| 21:26.21 | lo_o| | but sad to see it go |
| 21:26.23 | lo_o| | :( |
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| 21:36.14 | hfp | Hi, I have a laptop with a broken LCD and I'd like to install Debian on it. I downloaded the Netinstall image, hooked it up to a VGA external monitor but the installer displays on the interal broken LCD. What can I do to force the installer to be on the external screen? Is SSH activated in the installer? |
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| 21:37.45 | tremon | ssh is available, but not enabled by default. There are ways to create a custom installer that automatically starts ssh, but I have no pointers here right now. Googling for debian preseed ssh might help |
| 21:38.02 | xeno | How do I get rid of the "What Now? in i386 visudo? |
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| 21:38.34 | tremon | You can blacklist individual graphics drivers, but I don't think you can force a specific screen, sadly |
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| 21:40.26 | hfp | tremon: thanks |
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| 21:56.53 | lo_o| | dafuq jus hapen |
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| 21:58.49 | lo_o| | desktop |
| 21:59.01 | lo_o| | that makes cpu go grazy |
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| 22:05.03 | towo` | grr |
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| 22:14.02 | yashi | Hi, I did apt-get install gnome and I forgot to do it inside a screen session. Then I got disconnected in the middle before it had finished. What should I do now? |
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| 22:14.57 | grand_grunt | yashi: Try apt-get install gnome again and see what it says. It may finish the job without errors. If there are troubles you will be notified. |
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| 22:24.13 | ashp | Is there an easy way to see what package groups "locales-all" belongs to? We're trying to determine if most debian users would have that installed. |
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| 22:24.36 | SweetestPhi | Hi room! |
| 22:24.55 | SweetestPhi | Please could I get soo assistance with my deb book? |
| 22:25.26 | yashi | grand_grunt: That's what I did it said gnome is already installed. But that doesn't make sense because I got disconnected in the middle. |
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| 22:25.41 | SweetestPhi | @debhelp hi:) |
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| 22:26.15 | ashp | I suppose "meta package that includes locales-all" is more what I want |
| 22:26.48 | SweetestPhi | I don't understand there are so many ppl in this room, not familiar enough with irc |
| 22:27.16 | xand | it's a channel, and because people leave their clients running all the time |
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| 22:27.53 | centrx | !ask |
| 22:27.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:29.42 | SweetestPhi | Ok thx. |
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| 22:33.48 | ashp | Nobody able to help me figure out what metapackage locales-all belongs to? |
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| 22:34.58 | zykotick9 | ashp: try "apt-cache rdepends locales-all" fyi, i don't have it installed on my box here... |
| 22:35.14 | ashp | thanks! |
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| 22:36.06 | zykotick9 | ashp: if you have it installed, try "aptitude why locales-all" |
| 22:36.18 | ashp | just firing up a vm that should have it |
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| 22:43.45 | anigma | does debian allow packages built from repos? or do they insist on a real release? |
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| 22:45.07 | centrx | anigma, You can build a package from the repository very easily |
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| 22:48.40 | anigma | centrx: no, I meant if you'd like make a new debian package. Does debian require any official releases? |
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| 22:49.21 | centrx | anigma, I do not understand. |
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| 22:50.33 | centrx | anigma, If you wish to add a package to the Debian repository, or it must be packaged by or sponsored by a Debian Developer, which is an official Debian project member. |
| 22:50.39 | HicksD_ | I think he means, can you make a package for debian off any random commit in a upstream repo, or only off a tagged "official" release. |
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| 22:50.55 | anigma | exactly, HicksD_! |
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| 22:51.11 | centrx | anigma, You can make a Debian package out of anything. |
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| 22:51.22 | centrx | anigma, Put your grandmother's recipes in a text file and make a Debian package out of it. |
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| 22:52.42 | anigma | centrx: I'm bringing back BitchX :) |
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| 22:53.00 | anigma | anyway, appreciate the help. |
| 22:53.17 | centrx | Cool |
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| 22:55.33 | peterrooney | centrx: only if you put Conflicts: healthy-recipes |
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| 23:00.04 | redShadow | ..is the ssl certificate for alioth.debian.org actually expired on jan 5 ? |
| 23:00.16 | Daveeeee | I'm having some trouble installing wine32 on Jessie, When I try install wine32 I get the following: Package 'wine32' has no installation candidate > I've tried plain apt-get install wine but it installs the 64bit version, any ideas? |
| 23:00.35 | redShadow | I'm getting certificate error, so I'm asking here, better than nothing.. :( |
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| 23:01.13 | xand | redShadow: looks like 1st may to me. |
| 23:01.17 | redShadow | no wait, it's not expired, just invalid.. |
| 23:01.33 | centrx | Daveeeee, Looks like wine32 is only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 powerpc |
| 23:01.44 | xand | redShadow: not really invalid, you just don't trust the issuer |
| 23:01.49 | redShadow | double-checked, 05/11/2018 08:07:56 GMT in don't-know-how non-iso format |
| 23:02.04 | HicksD_ | Daveeeee: Have you enabled multiarch for i386? |
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| 23:02.13 | Daveeeee | centrx: Any idea how I can install 32bit wine on Jessie? The 'wine' package offers 32bit but apt chooses to install 64bit |
| 23:02.16 | Daveeeee | HicksD_: I do |
| 23:02.26 | redShadow | yeah, I guess so, I'm trying to understand but firefox messages in these cases are really obscure.. |
| 23:03.38 | redShadow | ..anyways.. is that a known thing? that it is a self-signed cert? |
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| 23:05.14 | redShadow | (just trying to make "sure" that nobody is MiM-ing me somehow..) |
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| 23:16.20 | lo_o| | bastardly drive is dying |
| 23:16.36 | lo_o| | cant read it all files and folders empty |
| 23:16.46 | lo_o| | then it works again for a bit |
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| 23:31.42 | lo_o| | umm |
| 23:31.49 | lo_o| | so ummm |
| 23:32.27 | centrx | Stop using it if you want the data. Take it to a drive specialist? |
| 23:32.30 | lo_o| | since i pluged my harddrives into other sata ports never used before down the line |
| 23:32.41 | lo_o| | its not failing |
| 23:33.17 | lo_o| | i was able to pull sum stuff from it |
| 23:33.23 | lo_o| | now doing dd |
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| 23:35.49 | d1z | debian is solid. Considered by many as the original linux Grandpa, debian started its way back in... |
| 23:36.03 | d1z | sounds like that start of abrotman's favorite movie |
| 23:36.22 | d1z | s/that/the |
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| 23:36.42 | Incleta | hi |
| 23:36.44 | Incleta | i need help |
| 23:36.45 | Incleta | I have a rasbian on my raspberry and i configured the sound card, but i play a radio with a mpg123 but i dont listen any in output of sound card |
| 23:36.54 | Incleta | but if i turn the jack output i can listen :| |
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| 23:39.03 | themill | Incleta: sounds like a question for #raspbian |
| 23:39.11 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 23:39.11 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 23:39.27 | Incleta | themill: i have asked in the chanel |
| 23:39.36 | Incleta | but dont get a responde from any |
| 23:39.39 | Incleta | and its urgent for me ::( |
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| 23:40.51 | d1z | what does turning the jack output mean? |
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| 23:41.22 | d1z | do you mean that you don't listen any sound on the speakers but when plugging a headset's jack you do? |
| 23:41.26 | d1z | or viceversa? |
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| 23:41.45 | petn-randall | Incleta: No matter how urgent it is, we're of little help since we don't run raspbian. And to pre-empt your question: It's unfortunately not the same as Debian. |
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| 23:43.16 | Incleta | d1z: i can listen the sound if set the jack output |
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| 23:43.24 | Incleta | d1z: i can listen the sound if set the jack output |
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| 23:49.06 | d1z | Incleta, I still don't understand what you mean with either 'turning' or 'setting' the jack output |
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| 23:49.52 | d1z | all I want to say is (because I'm feeling a bit assholish) |
| 23:50.06 | d1z | when you buy a raspberry pi... you get what you pay 4 |
| 23:50.32 | lo_o| | awww |
| 23:50.35 | lo_o| | :( |
| 23:50.58 | lo_o| | if he likes it let him play w it |
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| 23:51.26 | lo_o| | wowowowo |
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| 23:51.41 | Incleta | i buyed a rpi because is small and can configure for an project |
| 23:51.43 | lo_o| | almost finished copying the entire partition |
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| 23:51.52 | Incleta | and the my project is streaming the music in disco to icecast |
| 23:51.54 | lo_o| | and not getting errors |
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| 23:52.10 | lo_o| | perhaps it was the sata port |
| 23:52.14 | Incleta | the problem is i cant listen any from usb |
| 23:52.16 | lo_o| | how can one be bad |
| 23:52.51 | lo_o| | im a genius |
| 23:53.04 | lo_o| | arent all sata ports conected? |
| 23:53.59 | lo_o| | ok done copy |
| 23:54.02 | lo_o| | not 1 error |
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| 23:54.06 | lo_o| | now im pissed |
| 23:54.15 | lo_o| | wtf is going on w this stupid comp |
| 23:54.35 | lo_o| | god dam this stupid box of nerd |
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| 23:57.52 | lo_o| | fah lol |
| 23:58.00 | lo_o| | my grub is on the other hd |
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| 23:59.28 | lo_o| | also! |
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