| 00:00.16 | otay | -ladu3 |
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| 00:00.24 | otay | Quick Question: Goal: I want to run Debian from my external ssd, should I install the Live version on it? Purpose: so I can do some c++, with Debian, on a computer that only has Windows |
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| 00:01.33 | warcques | otay: pretty modern mobo/hardware that can boot from usb ? |
| 00:01.54 | otay | Yes |
| 00:01.59 | otay | Yes sir |
| 00:02.12 | pawell | otay: doesn't work : | |
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| 00:02.24 | warcques | Hm. Not an expert here, but I can tell ya I've gotten a regular debian install done on a usb stick just fine. |
| 00:02.59 | otay | warcques does that seem to be a better option than the Live Cd (I have no idea)? |
| 00:03.20 | otay | I mean, burn the live cd to usb or something |
| 00:03.44 | otay | okay, actually, I see what you're saying.. Yeah, that's what I"m going to do |
| 00:03.52 | warcques | The Live will take a longer time to load every time. |
| 00:04.24 | otay | beauty. That's a good answer. |
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| 00:04.43 | otay | goes to install Debian |
| 00:04.47 | warcques | :) |
| 00:04.49 | warcques | good times |
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| 00:08.46 | warcques | pawell: i'm seeing it as gadu3 on my system |
| 00:08.54 | warcques | so maybe try -lgadu3 |
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| 00:12.01 | warcques | SIGHUP |
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| 00:15.27 | Keaza | hi, when im trying to install debian to my system i get a debootstrap warning an it wont install? |
| 00:15.47 | Keaza | i have tried 2 diffrent cd's and a usb install, all get to the same point |
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| 00:18.19 | pawell | warcques: doesn't work : | |
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| 00:18.40 | warcques | ah dang |
| 00:19.21 | warcques | pawell: what about using debian inside a virtualbox vm? or do you want to have that drive to carry around? |
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| 00:20.21 | Keaza | Does anyone have any sort of idea how to fix this issue? :( |
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| 00:20.56 | maxyz | Keaza: What's the warning? |
| 00:22.29 | Keaza | Debootstrap Warning - Warning: faliure trying to run chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u1_amd64.deb |
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| 00:23.59 | maxyz | Check the intallation log output in tty3 (I think) |
| 00:24.34 | Keaza | well, how do i do that? |
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| 00:25.24 | maxyz | With Alt-Fx goes to ttyx |
| 00:25.50 | pawell | warcques: I got it, -lgadu works, thank you for your help |
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| 00:26.22 | warcques | pawell :) |
| 00:26.37 | Keaza | alt-fx? .o |
| 00:26.40 | warcques | Keaza: hit Ctrl+Alt+F3 |
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| 00:27.38 | Keaza | its complaining as alot of packages are not installed |
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| 00:28.15 | Keaza | let me get a pic |
| 00:30.02 | Keaza | https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqitngx7dkiqio0/2014-03-02%2000.28.47.jpg |
| 00:31.18 | Keaza | warcques: maxyz |
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| 00:33.05 | Okee | Is there a way to search for installed packages by version type? |
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| 00:36.40 | floatingpoint | how would I want to go about troubleshooiting a system crash |
| 00:36.41 | floatingpoint | ? |
| 00:36.47 | floatingpoint | (top to bottom) |
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| 00:37.03 | centrx | Look in /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog etc |
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| 00:38.03 | floatingpoint | what does this mean? main init: Id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 00:40.21 | apostle2 | I have installed Debian Wheezy on my Power Mac G5 |
| 00:40.30 | apostle2 | I am getting a black screen. |
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| 00:40.40 | apostle2 | the video card is GeForceFX 5200 Ultra |
| 00:40.46 | centrx | floatingpoint, Search for that error message online. There seem to be several clues |
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| 00:40.50 | apostle2 | Does anybody know how I can get this working correctly? |
| 00:40.50 | floatingpoint | ok |
| 00:40.59 | apostle2 | I am able to ssh into the Power Mac G5 from another Linux machine |
| 00:41.24 | centrx | apostle2, May need to install some packages for X drivers for the GeForce? |
| 00:43.06 | apostle2 | centrx, there are none |
| 00:43.42 | apostle2 | centrx, apt-cache search nvidia |
| 00:43.43 | peterrooney | apostle2: there is #debianppc, and the debian-powerpc mailing list archives probably have this covered. |
| 00:44.01 | apostle2 | peterrooney, thanks |
| 00:45.43 | earthian | is there a way to recreate a /dev/sda? |
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| 00:46.04 | earthian | I think it got removed while mounted elsewhere in chroot environment :/ |
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| 00:54.35 | Keaza | any help? |
| 00:54.37 | Keaza | anyone? |
| 00:55.03 | nkuttler | !ask |
| 00:55.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:56.05 | earthian | crap... reboot is not working now :'( |
| 00:56.13 | earthian | so sda is missing.. |
| 00:56.24 | earthian | good night. sleep time |
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| 00:58.42 | Keaza | nkuttler: i have asked ... i have posted picutres |
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| 00:59.41 | nkuttler | ,v dpkg |
| 00:59.41 | zgrks | hi all |
| 00:59.42 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- squeeze: 1.15.8.13; wheezy: 1.16.12; jessie: 1.17.6; sid: 1.17.6 |
| 01:00.09 | nkuttler | Keaza: looks to me like your deb is corrupt |
| 01:00.21 | Keaza | my deb? |
| 01:00.25 | themill | Keaza: did you check that the iso image was downloaded correctly? Check that it was copied to cd/usb correctly? |
| 01:00.28 | Keaza | i have used 3 diffrent iso;s |
| 01:00.34 | themill | dpkg: tell Keaza about check iso image |
| 01:00.37 | Keaza | used poweriso. |
| 01:00.39 | zgrks | Hi all. I'm trying to test a RESTful web service on Iceweasel but I think it somehow blocks it. Because I can't get the left navigation bar. Does anyone have an idea on that ? |
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| 01:01.11 | nkuttler | zgrks: have you tried a different browser? does it work there? |
| 01:01.43 | themill | Keaza: what's poweriso? |
| 01:01.49 | Keaza | ISO burner |
| 01:02.07 | zgrks | nkuttler: nope. I haven't tried actually. Do I have to uninstall iceweasel to get the firefox work on debian 7 ? |
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| 01:02.18 | themill | Keaza: does it have a feature where it makes the ISO image bootable for you? |
| 01:02.24 | nkuttler | zgrks: no idea, i don't use firefox. you can install chromium though |
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| 01:02.41 | zgrks | nkuttler: ok. I'll give it a try. |
| 01:02.45 | Keaza | themill: the ISO is already bootable... but i just keep getting errors |
| 01:03.09 | warcques | if you want your computer to heat your house and eat your memory, you can build furryfox nightly from source. I did it for a while. |
| 01:03.12 | themill | Keaza: indeed... but lots of these things don't know that |
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| 01:04.22 | Keaza | PowerISO does. |
| 01:04.44 | Keaza | it can make bootable iso's |
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| 01:06.16 | themill | Keaza: so make sure it's not doing that |
| 01:06.57 | zgrks | nkuttler: chroimium block too |
| 01:07.05 | zgrks | nkuttler: blocks |
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| 01:07.16 | namespace | So the debian manual says I can install more profiles. |
| 01:07.19 | namespace | But doesn't say how. |
| 01:08.03 | namespace | *more apparmor profiles |
| 01:08.07 | namespace | sorry |
| 01:08.30 | nkuttler | zgrks: well then it's time to debug the application... |
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| 01:09.04 | nkuttler | zgrks: you might have something like privoxy installed, or something else filters, but you would probably know that |
| 01:09.05 | namespace | I know I can make my own with aa-genprof, but that's time consuming and sort of rough, it'd be really nice if there were some pre-made ones I could use. |
| 01:09.14 | warcques | Does anybody know... is a minimal install of debian from ISO all hardened compiled code? |
| 01:09.33 | nkuttler | warcques: hardened? |
| 01:09.37 | themill | warcques: all? probably not. mostly though. |
| 01:10.12 | themill | warcques: there was a lot of work done during the wheezy release cycle to get network-facing stuff hardened along with anything that had ever had a CVE against it |
| 01:10.25 | warcques | Hm. Good to know. |
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| 01:12.26 | themill | warcques: an easy way to check this is to look at http://lintian.debian.org/tags/hardening-no-fortify-functions.html |
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| 01:13.11 | Arr0way | Hi, I'm PXE booting debian all working fine but added a new host and it's not booting... saying - "nfs server not responding , still trying" - any suggestions all the other machines are fine and I can see the client is getting an IP correctly. |
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| 01:13.39 | warcques | cool |
| 01:14.04 | Arr0way | I could try another kernel, but I know this one works on other hosts... |
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| 01:19.14 | feneco | where can i download debian without DE? only CLI? |
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| 01:19.47 | nkuttler | !tell feneco about netinst |
| 01:20.23 | feneco | thanks |
| 01:23.13 | themill | feneco: every installer image has the same installer -- the only difference is when things get downloaded. You control what gets installed at install time. |
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| 01:24.59 | nkuttler | some installers have lots of x stuff included in the image though |
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| 01:26.09 | warcques | I do netinst, and when the option for what to install comes up, assuming net is connected, I deselect desktop environment and server and crap. Then I reboot, setup networking, and install fluxbox and xorg manually. |
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| 01:27.21 | themill | nkuttler: that's quite literally just the "when stuff is downloaded" difference |
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| 01:31.23 | dos000 | howdy ... i am getting unmet dependencies with perllibdbi .. i am trying to install mysql-5.1 on a debian 7.1 |
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| 01:31.40 | dos000 | is there a known issue ? this used to be a breeze |
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| 01:32.18 | themill | dos000: mysql 5.1 isn't in wheezy at all |
| 01:32.19 | dos000 | mysql-client-5.1 Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:32.36 | dos000 | themill: hmmm ... |
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| 01:33.00 | dos000 | why does installing mysql points to mysql-client-5. ?1 |
| 01:33.09 | themill | dpkg: tell dos000 about bat |
| 01:33.24 | themill | dos000: perhaps you could pastebin the output dpkg suggests for each of these packages |
| 01:33.35 | martianlobster | if I start xwindows, open a terminal, how can I increase the font size? |
| 01:33.58 | dos000 | themill: ok .. will do thanks ... brb ) |
| 01:34.03 | warcques | which terminal program, martianlobster ? |
| 01:34.19 | martianlobster | hmmmm |
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| 01:34.29 | martianlobster | the default ome for debian |
| 01:34.38 | martianlobster | I never changed it |
| 01:34.47 | warcques | did you install gnome desktop environment? |
| 01:35.07 | crafty1 | martianlobster: if its xTerm then you can edit the .Xresources file, otherwise edit the profile |
| 01:35.18 | martianlobster | xterm is the terminal |
| 01:35.32 | martianlobster | ok thanks |
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| 01:36.07 | crafty1 | martianlobster: put in .Xresources xterm*font: *-fixed-*-*-*-18-* |
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| 01:36.18 | martianlobster | OK thanks |
| 01:36.22 | crafty1 | yep |
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| 01:37.32 | crafty1 | martianlobster: afterwards you may need to do xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 01:37.43 | martianlobster | ok :) |
| 01:38.00 | crafty1 | I always preferred Xterm over konsole etc. |
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| 01:39.34 | dos000 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/84839/ ... |
| 01:39.47 | dos000 | themill: not sure what version i have here ( |
| 01:40.05 | themill | dos000: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 01:41.37 | dos000 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/84840/ |
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| 01:42.27 | themill | dpkg: tell dos000 about not available |
| 01:42.35 | themill | dos000: the output of that long aptitude command would be interesting to see |
| 01:43.09 | themill | It looks like someone started a squeeze->wheezy upgrade and then stopped part way through it. |
| 01:43.31 | dos000 | themill: darn ((( |
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| 01:44.25 | themill | dos000: might be an opportune time to complete the process :) |
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| 01:46.05 | dos000 | themill: i tried dist-upgrade ... it comes back right away |
| 01:46.24 | dos000 | the machine is from a provider |
| 01:46.37 | dos000 | i did not change a single line i swear ( |
| 01:48.04 | themill | you probably want to talk to your provider then. If they're providing crappy images that's not good. You also might like to establish why they're not just giving you a wheezy image to begin with. *If* the upgrade is supported by them, then "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" and follow the release notes. (and if it's not supported by them, take your money elsewhere) |
| 01:50.06 | dos000 | themill: when i click on the reimage am supposed to get debian 7.1. not wheez |
| 01:50.32 | themill | Wheezy is Debian 7. |
| 01:51.03 | themill | (7.1 is just the current collection of updates about 6 months ago) |
| 01:51.14 | dos000 | ok ... so they screwed on the apt/sources then ? |
| 01:51.37 | warcques | %s/squeeze/wheezy/g |
| 01:51.42 | dos000 | apt/sources is pointing to squeez |
| 01:52.21 | dos000 | themill: warcques .. whos is right ? |
| 01:53.08 | dos000 | ok .. i understand .. warcques you meant to replace squeez qith weez .. ! |
| 01:53.08 | warcques | I'm saying if you want to be on 7/wheezy, replace all instances of squeeze in that pasted sources.lst with wheezy |
| 01:53.13 | warcques | yes |
| 01:53.15 | themill | no |
| 01:53.25 | themill | dos000: I'd ask them what and why they have done this. There's a chance that their underlying hosting doesn't support wheezy and you should find that out first |
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| 01:53.46 | dos000 | themill: ah !! |
| 01:53.50 | themill | and if it's unintentional, then upgrade as per release notes and cluebat them to fix their images |
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| 01:54.44 | dos000 | the worst thing is that i payed for the machne already ... meaning there is no monthly fees ! |
| 01:55.17 | dos000 | so they can screw me how they want .. i dont have dollar powers to negotiate with them ( |
| 01:57.25 | brontosaurusrex | dos000, that a server or what kind of machine it is? |
| 01:57.56 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: its a hosted vm from http://cloudatcost.com/ |
| 01:58.05 | dos000 | they had a "deal" |
| 01:58.37 | dos000 | not sure how they can do what they claim to do |
| 01:59.43 | brontosaurusrex | like what? |
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| 02:00.32 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: they still have the deal ... you pay one time fee and you get the vm for life |
| 02:00.36 | lokigr | i m looking in debian packages and seems that aptitude is dead.... it has only bug fixes..... no active develipment...do anyone knows what happens??? |
| 02:00.44 | brontosaurusrex | dos000, oh |
| 02:01.14 | dos000 | never seen anything like this .. and + its canadian ) |
| 02:01.36 | dos000 | but the packages suck ( |
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| 02:02.03 | brontosaurusrex | interesting, would they love if the virtual cpu was at 100% all the time as well? |
| 02:02.44 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: no clue ... they most have it in their stats. nothing says you cant. |
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| 02:03.12 | warcques | install folding at home on one of them and let it fly |
| 02:03.17 | brontosaurusrex | just wondering if it would be feasible to get few of those for some blender-render-farms |
| 02:03.45 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: not sure if publicly taking about here was a good thing now |
| 02:03.49 | dos000 | ) |
| 02:04.26 | dos000 | i like the service so far. this is the second time i am facing package issues |
| 02:04.52 | brontosaurusrex | well, its weird that they are offering squeeze at all, isn't it? |
| 02:05.41 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: when you want to install debian they only offer 7 ... |
| 02:05.53 | brontosaurusrex | 7 is not squeeze |
| 02:05.57 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: but something is screwed in apt/ |
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| 02:06.37 | dos000 | brontosaurusrex: exactly ... from the ui i am selecting 7. but apt/sources is pointing to squeez |
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| 02:09.40 | warcques | What a weird situation |
| 02:10.39 | dos000 | they can fix ... i hope |
| 02:10.43 | brontosaurusrex | nope, just have to contact their $1 tech support, really nothing we can do here |
| 02:11.00 | warcques | can you take VM snapshot ? |
| 02:11.09 | xbz1982 | to remove an older kernel would i just apt-get remove the kernel or is there somethign else that needs to be done? |
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| 02:13.39 | dos000 | warcques: i dont think so |
| 02:14.56 | dos000 | themill: warcques: brontosaurusrex: I really appreciate all your help guys |
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| 02:16.39 | evanton | can anybody suggest a ligthweight browser that can use a http proxy but can make the exception for localhost? I've been using iceape in debian testing but I can't find it in debian stable and I don't want to use the testing repository |
| 02:17.04 | evanton | I have tried midori but once I set up the http proxy, it tries to use it even when accessing localhost, which I don't want to |
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| 02:23.49 | homecable | hello |
| 02:25.05 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 02:25.11 | centrx | evanton, iceape as "lightweight"? |
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| 02:25.17 | homecable | any one using openbox ? |
| 02:25.28 | centrx | homecable, I do |
| 02:25.30 | centrx | !ask |
| 02:25.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:25.38 | centrx | evanton, Try iceweasel, or chromium |
| 02:25.59 | homecable | centrx does it have copy paste in openbox |
| 02:27.06 | homecable | whats the peferred web brower to use in debian ? |
| 02:27.06 | dos000 | btw: is deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US still valid in apt/sources.list ? i read somewhere that it should not be in there |
| 02:27.21 | centrx | homecable, Yes. Copy paste is a function of X. |
| 02:27.44 | dos000 | i am (suposedly) on debian 7.1 |
| 02:27.55 | centrx | homecable, Many different web browsers are available, including Firefox (iceweasel) and Chrome (chromium). There is not really one preferred or default browser. |
| 02:28.17 | centrx | dos000, non-us is old. It was to get around US export restrictions. You can remove it |
| 02:28.38 | dos000 | centrx: thanks ) |
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| 02:28.41 | homecable | centrx what do i need to apt-get install xorg openbox |
| 02:29.04 | homecable | or what do u do for a mini install |
| 02:29.09 | centrx | homecable, Yes. I would recommend installing xserver-xorg-core instead of xorg |
| 02:29.16 | homecable | ok |
| 02:29.40 | centrx | homecable, And find the name of and specify the exact video driver, otherwise they will all be installed |
| 02:30.04 | homecable | i got a nvidia gt 610 |
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| 02:30.45 | centrx | homecable, Probably xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 02:30.50 | homecable | yeah |
| 02:31.26 | homecable | apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau openbox |
| 02:31.33 | centrx | homecable, Looks good |
| 02:31.48 | centrx | homecable, I also use fbpanel as a lightweight taskbar/menu/clock |
| 02:32.01 | homecable | ok |
| 02:32.35 | homecable | what u use for mp3 player ? |
| 02:32.43 | homecable | and video player |
| 02:32.43 | centrx | mpg123 (console) |
| 02:32.51 | centrx | mplayer or vlc |
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| 02:33.50 | centrx | homecable, If you really need to save disk space, you may want to add Install-Recommends "false" to your apt.conf |
| 02:33.55 | homecable | does steam work on debian ? |
| 02:34.50 | centrx | Steam is in the Debian repository for the "testing" and "unstable" distributions |
| 02:35.05 | centrx | I do not know if it works on "stable". It is not in the repository for "stable" |
| 02:36.37 | zykotick9 | homecable: regarding centrx's no install-recommends suggestion, while this works well to reduce the size of stuff - it's NOT recommended. packages expect recommends to be there in most cases. while i often do use no install recommends, i thinks it's only suited to VERY minimal setups... if you're using any sort of DE, this would be a HUGE PITA. just sayin' |
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| 02:40.39 | atannus | morning |
| 02:41.49 | apostle2 | can someone suggest xorg.conf file that I can try just to get X to run on my Mac Pro G5? |
| 02:42.05 | atannus | All scripts run by a user's cron are run in the context of that user's home directory. How change that? |
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| 02:42.37 | emss | apostle2 you can try `xorg -configure' |
| 02:43.41 | emss | apostle2 rather `Xorg -configure' |
| 02:44.15 | evanton | centrx: iceweasel as lightweight, it's GUI, pretty full featured, yet not as bloated as iceweasel or chromium (RAM wise). I guess those are my last resort, but I wanted to find something smaller first, that's why I tried midori |
| 02:44.41 | centrx | evanton, There's dillo and konqueror |
| 02:45.06 | centrx | evanton, https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers |
| 02:45.18 | Bublik2002 | anyway to install linux mint theme on my debian xfce? |
| 02:45.19 | evanton | oh, a list, this is great |
| 02:45.24 | evanton | I can try them one by one now |
| 02:45.26 | evanton | centrx: thank you |
| 02:45.34 | zykotick9 | evanton: uzbl is a sorta-light webkit browser, NO idea if it has the proxy stuff you require... |
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| 02:46.12 | centrx | Bublik2002, You can probably find the theme files for it somewhere, if they are not in the xfce theme packages |
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| 02:46.31 | evanton | zykotick9: I was planning to try uzbl and vimperator too, but since midori uses webkit as well, I have assumed my proxy requirement can be a webkit limitation and was planning to try those at the end |
| 02:47.00 | apostle2 | Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 02:47.16 | apostle2 | that what I get when I run Xorg -configure |
| 02:47.39 | zykotick9 | evanton: i kinda like vimperator under iceweasel, but haven't been using it recently. hjkl ftw ;) |
| 02:47.47 | Bublik2002 | centrx, can i install mint-artwork-xfce from lmde repository? |
| 02:48.22 | centrx | Bublik2002, You could try, but make sure it does not pull in other packages from Mint. You don't want to end up with a broken Frankendebian system |
| 02:48.55 | centrx | Bublik2002, You could also download that package and extract the files in it, then put the files in the right place for xfce. Or compile/build it as a native Debian package. |
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| 02:49.20 | emss | evanton there is also dwb based on webkit |
| 02:49.44 | evanton | zykotick9: oh, I made a typo. typed something else than I was thinking above. vimperator and pentadactyl are firefox addons. I meant vimprobable above - a standalone lightweight browser, webkit based with vi-like hotkeys |
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| 02:50.25 | evanton | I guess I'll just have to try them all one by one and see which one supports adding localhost as proxy exception |
| 02:50.59 | emss | apostle2 did you run it as root? |
| 02:52.40 | apostle2 | yes |
| 02:53.02 | emss | apostle2 be careful it writes a file xorg.conf `man 1 Xorg' |
| 02:53.10 | apostle2 | I understand |
| 02:53.26 | apostle2 | this is for a mac pro g5 machine that I installed Debian Wheezy on |
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| 02:54.41 | emss | what graphics card? `lspci' |
| 02:55.07 | apostle2 | 0000:f0:10.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 Ultra] (rev a1) |
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| 02:56.24 | emss | apostle2 have you tried removing/moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere and just running `startx' ? |
| 02:56.36 | apostle2 | yes |
| 02:56.58 | emss | and it did not run? |
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| 02:57.18 | apostle2 | nothing on the screen |
| 02:57.25 | zykotick9 | evanton: thanks, i looked into vimprobable (i hadn't heard of it), but it's not even in unstable yet ;) so with my boring debian-repo-only lifestyle it doesn't exist yet ;) |
| 02:57.52 | emss | apostle2 but did Xorg start? or are you still in the console? |
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| 02:58.04 | apostle2 | i'm ssh'd in |
| 02:58.07 | apostle2 | nothing on the screen |
| 02:58.15 | apostle2 | I tried alt ctrl f1 |
| 02:58.17 | apostle2 | nothing |
| 02:58.24 | apostle2 | I can't get anything on that display |
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| 02:59.19 | apostle2 | gdm process is running |
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| 02:59.53 | emss | apostle2 how did you install debian on it? |
| 03:00.08 | apostle2 | Debian Wheezy Net Install |
| 03:00.20 | apostle2 | PPC |
| 03:01.29 | emss | and during the install the graphics card and monitor worked? |
| 03:01.37 | apostle2 | yes |
| 03:01.46 | apostle2 | actually now that I think about it |
| 03:01.49 | apostle2 | it worked fine |
| 03:01.53 | apostle2 | the install never had any issues |
| 03:01.59 | evanton | zykotick9: vimprobable2 is very stable for me. and the developers are very friendly. they have a channel here on freenode I think |
| 03:02.20 | emss | since you did a net install you might be missing some X related dependencies |
| 03:02.44 | evanton | I used to just compile from git and drop the binary into ~/bin to avoid the hassle of packaging it |
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| 03:03.23 | apostle2 | I can remove X |
| 03:03.25 | apostle2 | then re install it |
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| 03:04.50 | emss | apostle2 did you choose to install X/a desktop environment, kde gnome xfce etc. during the install? |
| 03:04.51 | zykotick9 | evanton: TBO the only out-of-repo package, that i just drop into /opt is tor-browser-bundle - other then that, 100% debian stable main (with backports repo/kernel, and sid source for <ssb> of selected packages is all i use |
| 03:05.08 | apostle2 | http://paste.debian.net/84847/ |
| 03:05.23 | apostle2 | no I did not |
| 03:05.34 | apostle2 | pardon me |
| 03:05.39 | apostle2 | I did choose desktop enviornment |
| 03:07.23 | apostle2 | what driver can I choose other than nouveau |
| 03:07.28 | apostle2 | what driver does the install use? |
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| 03:12.26 | emss | apostle2 maybe nouveau does not support you card not sure maybe you can try "xserver-xorg-video-nv" or "xserver-xorg-video-vesa" |
| 03:13.18 | apostle2 | xserver-xorg-video-nv this is not in the package list |
| 03:13.51 | apostle2 | i removed xorg |
| 03:13.54 | emss | apostle2 :\ guess nouveau replaced that |
| 03:13.55 | apostle2 | I can still ssh |
| 03:14.01 | apostle2 | but nothing on the display |
| 03:14.03 | apostle2 | ? |
| 03:14.40 | apostle2 | the card does have 2 video connectors in the back |
| 03:14.43 | apostle2 | one is dvi |
| 03:14.52 | apostle2 | and the other one is another connector that I don't have the cable for |
| 03:14.58 | apostle2 | its like the display might be coming out of that |
| 03:15.20 | apostle2 | how can I configure display to output out of the DVI Connector on the card |
| 03:15.33 | apostle2 | right now , xorg is not even installed |
| 03:15.58 | apostle2 | I should at least get the terminal |
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| 03:18.31 | emss | apostle2 do you even see the boot loader when turning it on? |
| 03:19.19 | apostle2 | yes |
| 03:19.21 | apostle2 | Yac |
| 03:19.32 | apostle2 | and also the kernel loading messages |
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| 03:19.39 | apostle2 | eventually it just goes blank |
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| 03:20.05 | apostle2 | on the nvidia card i'm plugged into the dvi |
| 03:20.17 | apostle2 | I think its going to the other connector to output video signal |
| 03:20.45 | emss | is this on a laptop you are trying to use an external monitor with? |
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| 03:24.18 | apostle2 | this FX 5200 Ultra has another type of connector for output |
| 03:24.25 | apostle2 | I don't know it is called |
| 03:24.31 | apostle2 | maybe for a projector or something |
| 03:24.52 | emss | apostle2 is this a laptop? |
| 03:25.28 | apostle2 | Mac Pro G5 Tower |
| 03:25.33 | apostle2 | Power PC |
| 03:26.48 | emss | apostle2 so you rebooted, saw the kernel messages and when did the screen go blank? |
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| 03:29.06 | apostle2 | I will try to see what line it is on |
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| 03:31.08 | apostle2 | at 52 seconds |
| 03:31.11 | apostle2 | its too fast for me to see |
| 03:31.39 | apostle2 | I can see the services starting up |
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| 03:32.24 | emss | yes it's probably going blank around the time debian sets/configures the console |
| 03:32.56 | apostle2 | http://paste.debian.net/84850/ |
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| 03:33.56 | emss | so you will probably need to boot with a boot option |
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| 03:38.10 | emss | apostle2 stop nouveau from loading |
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| 03:41.00 | emss | one way to do that is remove the driver and this is happening because gdm is starting x which is loading nouveau and most likely killing your console |
| 03:41.12 | apostle2 | xorg is not even instlaled |
| 03:41.54 | emss | remove nouveau and restart see if it still happens |
| 03:42.05 | apostle2 | k |
| 03:43.04 | emss | well actually you could try unloading the nouveau module and see if the display turns on |
| 03:43.28 | emss | `rmmod nouveau' |
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| 03:44.37 | apostle2 | omg |
| 03:44.43 | apostle2 | I even removed gdm3 |
| 03:44.45 | apostle2 | still happening |
| 03:45.10 | emss | is the nouveau module loaded? |
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| 03:45.15 | apostle2 | yes |
| 03:45.19 | apostle2 | how can it be loaded |
| 03:45.22 | apostle2 | if I removed the package |
| 03:45.25 | emss | remove it |
| 03:45.45 | apostle2 | Error: Module nouveau is in use |
| 03:46.03 | emss | `rmmod -f nouveau' |
| 03:46.17 | apostle2 | k |
| 03:46.22 | apostle2 | my screen just went all crazy |
| 03:46.41 | apostle2 | how can I keep nouveau from loading |
| 03:46.56 | emss | you need to stop that module from loading |
| 03:47.05 | apostle2 | blacklist it |
| 03:48.09 | apostle2 | vim /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 03:48.13 | apostle2 | I added it in here |
| 03:48.17 | apostle2 | thanks for the help |
| 03:48.23 | apostle2 | I have to go pick up the wife at work |
| 03:48.24 | apostle2 | brb |
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| 03:50.08 | apostle2 | it worked |
| 03:50.10 | apostle2 | i'm up |
| 03:50.11 | apostle2 | nouveau |
| 03:50.14 | apostle2 | thanks |
| 03:50.36 | warcques | yay |
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| 03:51.11 | emss | since it's an older graphics card you might want to try somehow using the "nv" xorg driver |
| 03:51.56 | emss | but maybe there is a way around those nouveau problems but I'm not aware sorry :\ |
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| 03:56.56 | mns | anyone know if there is a channel for vnc ? |
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| 04:05.40 | emss | mns there is a way to search for channels not sure how though' |
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| 04:07.37 | peterrooney | emss: /list |
| 04:07.39 | peterrooney | mns: /list |
| 04:07.45 | dvs | ciao? |
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| 04:08.51 | emss | peterrooney no there is a way to search using chanserv |
| 04:09.28 | emss | maybe /msg chanserv help |
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| 04:15.44 | mns | thanks folks |
| 04:15.50 | CrypticByte | This isn't a support question but what typically has newer packages current version of Ubuntu or Debian Testing? |
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| 04:16.44 | themill | CrypticByte: for most packages, testing would; there will be exceptions to that though |
| 04:17.04 | mns | I was hoping to avoid /list .. since "Doing this is not a good idea." as per freenode server when you type in /list :) |
| 04:17.20 | themill | !alis |
| 04:17.21 | dpkg | ♬♫ ALIS? WHO THE F IS ALIS? alis is a services bot that can help you find channels on the <freenode> irc network. "/msg alis help list" for usage information or ask about alis in #freenode. Example: «/msg alis list #debian*» or «/msg alis list *linux*» |
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| 04:18.21 | CrypticByte | Ok thanks been using Mint for a while and really want to go to debian for its rolling release ability and been looking at Testing branch with the distro SolydXK |
| 04:18.23 | mns | themill: awesome. thanks. |
| 04:19.05 | mns | CrypticByte: ... just use pure debian/testing .... that's what I use on my home and work systems. have not had a problem with anything. |
| 04:19.19 | mns | for the last ... hmm 6-7 years that I've been doing that. |
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| 04:21.46 | CrypticByte | Yeah I would usually go pure but I'm still learning linux and solydxk has the linux mint tools for debian installed making certain task easier for a beginner like me |
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| 04:37.41 | apostle2 | emss, thanks |
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| 05:31.15 | apostle2 | xf86-video-nv-2.1.20 I compiled this |
| 05:31.19 | apostle2 | how to add the driver |
| 05:31.26 | apostle2 | modprobe? |
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| 06:08.53 | emss | apostle2 that's a driver for Xorg edit xorg.conf but it may just automatically load everything for you upon `startx' |
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| 06:11.56 | emss | apostle2 or you can try starting gdm after installing the package |
| 06:12.51 | Dimtree | Is there a sane way to bind a daemon to only run on eth1? |
| 06:13.03 | apostle2 | nouveau |
| 06:13.10 | apostle2 | is the driver that if finds |
| 06:13.13 | apostle2 | I want to use nv |
| 06:13.33 | apostle2 | there is no package for nv for wheezy ppc |
| 06:13.36 | themill | Dimtree: depends on the daemon |
| 06:13.47 | Dimtree | It's transmission-daemon |
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| 06:14.23 | themill | Dimtree: you'd probably bind to an IP rather than bind to an interface for something like that |
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| 06:15.13 | Dimtree | themill: I now know exactly what to do and I feel stupid |
| 06:15.30 | Dimtree | needs more sleep..... |
| 06:16.10 | themill | !coffee Dimtree |
| 06:16.10 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for Dimtree, courtesy of themill |
| 06:16.46 | apostle2 | nv_drv.so if this is the driver |
| 06:16.51 | apostle2 | how do I load this driver nv_drv.so |
| 06:16.56 | Dimtree | accepts dpkg's coffee, and promptly scalds his toung |
| 06:16.57 | apostle2 | insmod nv_drv.so |
| 06:16.58 | apostle2 | ? |
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| 06:17.25 | emss | no Xorg loads it |
| 06:17.31 | wols | apostle2: no. kernel modules are .ko. this is a shared library. why do you only have this shared library? |
| 06:18.47 | apostle2 | xf86-video-nv-2.1.20 |
| 06:18.50 | apostle2 | arg |
| 06:18.55 | apostle2 | this is not the driver for nv |
| 06:19.02 | apostle2 | ? |
| 06:19.15 | apostle2 | does anybody know where the package is for nv |
| 06:19.25 | emss | apostle2 you could try building a package using the source package |
| 06:19.38 | wols | xf86 is ages old. not in wheezy anymore, where did you get this? |
| 06:19.47 | emss | nv was replaced by nouveau |
| 06:20.47 | wols | apostle2: where do you download these "nv" packages frm? |
| 06:20.49 | wols | *from |
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| 06:22.42 | apostle2 | nouveau does not work on mac pro g5 |
| 06:22.50 | apostle2 | i'm trying to find a driver that does |
| 06:22.53 | apostle2 | http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/64839/en-us |
| 06:23.03 | apostle2 | this package won't compile on this architecuture |
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| 06:23.15 | apostle2 | and they don't have a PPC installer |
| 06:23.54 | apostle2 | can someone point me to the correct source package for nv |
| 06:24.09 | wols | nv doesn't exist anymore. it's nouveau |
| 06:24.17 | wols | why do you think nouveau doesn't work? |
| 06:24.51 | wols | also, the drivers from nvidia.com are not available for PPC it seems. so you can use nouveau or vesa. |
| 06:25.06 | apostle2 | nouveau |
| 06:25.12 | apostle2 | give me blank screen |
| 06:25.16 | apostle2 | I had to black list it |
| 06:25.22 | apostle2 | how to use vesa |
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| 06:25.27 | apostle2 | which package am I looking for |
| 06:25.36 | apostle2 | and how should my xorg.conf file be configured |
| 06:25.37 | wols | blank screen where? |
| 06:25.44 | apostle2 | on boot up |
| 06:25.54 | wols | at which time of boot up |
| 06:26.07 | apostle2 | when the nouveau driver is loaded |
| 06:26.13 | apostle2 | I think LInus was right about Nvidia |
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| 06:26.32 | wols | so not at boot up, but when X starts? |
| 06:26.40 | apostle2 | i removed X |
| 06:26.54 | apostle2 | it prevents the terminal from launching |
| 06:27.01 | apostle2 | I only can ssh in from another machine |
| 06:27.05 | themill | so why do you want drivers for X? |
| 06:27.24 | apostle2 | I blacklisted the nouveau driver |
| 06:27.30 | apostle2 | and now i get terminal running |
| 06:27.33 | apostle2 | on the machine |
| 06:27.37 | apostle2 | I installed X |
| 06:27.47 | apostle2 | and now I want to boot the xfce4 window manager |
| 06:27.59 | apostle2 | xorg.conf needs to point to a driver that works |
| 06:28.13 | apostle2 | driver is blacklisted |
| 06:28.24 | apostle2 | but xorg.conf will call it |
| 06:28.25 | themill | apostle2: I think everyone is quite confused. Can you please start again, use full sentences without hitting enter after ever 5 words and explain what you are actually trying to achieve here. |
| 06:28.28 | apostle2 | if in the config file |
| 06:29.46 | apostle2 | I have installed Debian Wheezy on mac pro G5 and it gets a black screen when using nouveau driver |
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| 06:30.33 | apostle2 | We traced the problem to the Nouveau driver and after it was black listed the terminal booted up on the machine |
| 06:31.00 | apostle2 | I need to get X to run and want to use another Video Driver. |
| 06:31.19 | themill | It sounds like your choices here are nouveau and vesa. |
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| 06:33.36 | apostle2 | how to load Vesa |
| 06:33.41 | apostle2 | from xorg |
| 06:33.55 | emss | does the nouveau xorg driver require the kernel module to be loaded? |
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| 06:36.08 | emss | apostle2 you may be able to build a package for the nv driver using the package source if there is no way to get nouveau working properly |
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| 06:40.22 | emss | apostle2 https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 06:57.04 | bullgard4 | How to search the manpages on my Debian 7.4 computer for a string? (Not only the short descriptions.) '~$ rgrep 'lockd' /usr/share/man' does not produce any output |
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| 06:57.24 | themill | apropos |
| 06:57.39 | themill | or use zgrep if you want to search all of the text |
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| 06:59.41 | bullgard4 | I will try zgrep. -- Thank you. |
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| 07:01.54 | spinningcompass | If I copy an entire (small) Linux installation's filesystem to a tmpfs ram drive, mount /dev, /proc/, etc.,and chroot() into the directory, is there anything I can do to make pivot_root function properly (to enable me to remove the original disk)? |
| 07:02.26 | alfred | hello. can you help me for turn off nvidia card and stay with hd 3000? I installed optimus but I see that is not working. sorry for my bad english |
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| 07:12.23 | emss | apostle2 maybe this will help http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModeSetting/ |
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| 07:26.04 | bullgard4 | themill: Success! - Thank you again. |
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| 07:39.41 | alfred1 | Hello, sorry for my bad enlgish. can you help me with optimus on debian? is not working well.. |
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| 07:55.26 | emss | alfred1 hello, maybe try #debian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:56.41 | emss | alfred1 /msg dpkg optimus |
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| 07:58.13 | alfred1 | emss : optimus swich on and off the nvidia without I say anything |
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| 07:59.22 | emss | alfred1 I can not help with optimus sorry but try /msg dpkg optimus |
| 07:59.32 | emss | that may help |
| 08:00.40 | alfred1 | emss : do you know how can I swich off forever the nvidia card without bumblebee? |
| 08:01.21 | emss | no |
| 08:01.38 | alfred1 | ok, thanks |
| 08:01.56 | emss | maybe in the bios |
| 08:02.16 | emss | no idea sorry :\ |
| 08:03.19 | alfred1 | I think I found a solution |
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| 08:05.32 | alfred1 | a cron task that checks if it is on, if is true it switch off |
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| 08:07.13 | emss | alfred1 you just want to turn it off on boot? |
| 08:07.48 | MarkDavies | Hi all |
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| 08:09.10 | MarkDavies | I'm an Ubuntu user but it seems like the application update-apt-xapian-index comes from your distribution, so I thought you maybe will be able to answer my question. The application mentioned eats my CPU and memory resources. Can I remove it safely from my computer? Won't I be exposed at any risk? |
| 08:10.19 | Dimtree | MarkDavies: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062688 |
| 08:10.47 | Dimtree | MarkDavies: It's also an Ubuntu-only package |
| 08:11.25 | Dimtree | MarkDavies: try "sudo chmod 644 /etc/cron.weekly/apt-xapian-index" |
| 08:12.10 | wols | try and support him in #ubuntu, not here |
| 08:12.36 | MarkDavies | ok, thx, I didn't know that it's specific for Ubuntu |
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| 08:25.51 | Waster_ | running fio on hp dl 380 g4 with debian wheezy and getting kernel message http://pastebin.com/gUzUutyh |
| 08:25.56 | Waster_ | hardware problem? |
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| 08:28.18 | kikokos | Hi, |
| 08:28.24 | mintled | How do you get Debian with KDE? Trying to install it on virtual machine with no luck |
| 08:29.12 | kikokos | I have system in English, and really need one application in German, is it possible to install it, and how to do it? (it's an bookeeping app so it can't be in English) |
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| 08:31.05 | jarray52 | When using gnome, I can use dual monitors, but I can't with KDE (both installed on same machine). How do I trouble shoot this issue? |
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| 08:31.52 | kikokos | I'd change locale but it affects the whole system what I don't want... |
| 08:31.53 | ParkerR | jarray52, In KDE run xrandr -q |
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| 08:32.33 | mintled | Do they have an .iso avaii that already has KDE configured instead of Gnome? |
| 08:33.07 | jarray52 | ParkerR: https://dpaste.de/8w0B |
| 08:33.53 | ParkerR | jarray52, Its showing both montiors as active. How exactly is it not working in LDE? |
| 08:34.03 | ParkerR | *monitors |
| 08:34.24 | jarray52 | I can't have different output on the two differrent screens. The option doesn't exist in display settings. |
| 08:34.38 | wols | mintled: yes. |
| 08:35.09 | mintled | Wols Thanks. Would this be at the Debian web site? I could not find it |
| 08:35.27 | wols | mintled: yes. what arch do you need? 32bit or 64bit, i386 or amd64? |
| 08:35.28 | jarray52 | ParkerR: In System Settings -> Display and Monitor |
| 08:35.46 | mintled | 32 bit i386 |
| 08:36.34 | wols | mintled: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/ see the one ending in "kde" |
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| 08:37.06 | ParkerR | jarray52, Oh so they are cloned? |
| 08:37.14 | jarray52 | ParkerR: Yes |
| 08:37.41 | ParkerR | jarray52, xrandr --output DFP2 --left-of DFP3 |
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| 08:38.04 | mintled | wols Thanks. The link is not opening for me though, does it work for you? |
| 08:38.15 | ParkerR | That's a temporary fix. I true solution would either be KDE having the option or setting up a proper xorg.conf.d file |
| 08:38.23 | ParkerR | *A true |
| 08:38.31 | wols | mintled: it's the official download link for i386 CD ISOs. yes it does |
| 08:38.44 | mintled | Ok will try on different browser |
| 08:39.05 | phorce1_home | ok, I can't even figure out how to google this question or what channel it would bestfit in. On my wheezy box I am localizing a web page. I have a BUNCH of urls in the form "http://www.host.tld?q=Ag6U9hGG6rE" with the part after the "=" being roughly 11 random characters (I haven't counted every one). I'. trying to figure out how to bash/sed/awk/whatever search and replace every instance with "./" (including wiping out the random charac |
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| 08:39.42 | mintled | wols You were right. It was there the whole time, I just needed to look down further on the screen. That helps a lot thanks |
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| 08:40.17 | pwned | hi, how do I install kernel version 3.11 ? |
| 08:40.18 | jarray52 | ParkerR: That worked. Thanks. Any idea why KDE is fucked up? It use to work. |
| 08:40.25 | ParkerR | Not sure |
| 08:40.43 | ParkerR | Could be graphics driver, KDE support, really any number of things. |
| 08:40.53 | emss | kikokos if it's a kde/gnome application there may be --locale option or just setup the environment for that specific program |
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| 08:41.19 | kikokos | emss, mhm will google that |
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| 08:43.03 | kikokos | emss, thx |
| 08:43.26 | wols | pwned: you use a backport. /msg dpkg backport |
| 08:43.33 | wols | ,kernels |
| 08:43.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 08:43.52 | wols | pwned: as you can see, it's 3.12 in wheezy-backports |
| 08:49.30 | bullgard4 | [Debian 7.4] I get manpages displayed colorfully. What does red color mean? |
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| 08:49.54 | wols | red is the color of love. it means your manpage needs more lovin', so get on to it! |
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| 09:35.42 | DrSlony | Hello, could someone please tell me whether libpng-1.6.8 (libpng16) is available in Debian stable? |
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| 09:36.52 | ompaul | ,v libpng16 |
| 09:36.53 | judd | No package named 'libpng16' was found in i386. |
| 09:37.12 | ompaul | ,v libpng16-tools |
| 09:37.13 | judd | Package: libpng16-tools on i386 -- experimental: 1.6.8-2 |
| 09:37.35 | ompaul | so I guess the answer is no |
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| 09:37.49 | DrSlony | thank you |
| 09:37.57 | DrSlony | ,v libpng-1.6.8 |
| 09:37.59 | judd | No package named 'libpng-1.6.8' was found in i386. |
| 09:38.31 | wols | DrSlony: /msg judd v libpng |
| 09:38.38 | DrSlony | thanks! |
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| 09:38.46 | DrSlony | what does "Package: libpng16-tools on i386 -- experimental: 1.6.8-2" mean? |
| 09:38.50 | indieross | DrSlony, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libpng |
| 09:38.57 | wols | DrSlony: or packages.debian.org |
| 09:39.08 | indieross | https://packages.debian.org/search?arch=i386&keywords=libpng * |
| 09:39.14 | wols | it means this package is in experimental (something you shouldn't ues when you don't know what it is) |
| 09:39.28 | ompaul | DrSlony: it won't be in stable it was released in 2013 December so it will not reach current stable |
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| 09:40.55 | DrSlony | last question, is it safe to assume that if a package is in debian stable, then its safe to depend on that package in my program with the assumption that other distros already ship it? |
| 09:41.06 | indieross | yess |
| 09:41.39 | indieross | err more of less |
| 09:41.43 | indieross | or less* |
| 09:42.22 | DrSlony | "safe enough" :] |
| 09:42.40 | indieross | ^ |
| 09:42.48 | ompaul | ish |
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| 09:43.19 | indieross | but dont call me Ishmael |
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| 09:44.15 | ompaul | I won't call you in the morning either |
| 09:44.24 | indieross | :( |
| 09:44.47 | ompaul | it would be very strange to call anyone "in the morning" I prefer to use names |
| 09:44.48 | indieross | luckly i dont wake up until noon |
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| 09:44.50 | indieross | ish |
| 09:45.18 | ompaul | resumes normal service |
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| 09:49.47 | indieross | uggg, does anyone else despise the flat icons in nautilus |
| 09:50.32 | indieross | i use nemo as my default fm but certain apps use nautilus for certain dialogues and i cringe everytime i see em |
| 09:51.06 | ompaul | ah you should use KDE and get over it ;-) |
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| 09:51.18 | indieross | gnome3 is amazing |
| 09:51.28 | ompaul | except where it is not? |
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| 09:51.32 | ompaul | chuckles |
| 09:51.36 | indieross | exactly |
| 09:51.43 | indieross | that is my only gripe |
| 09:51.52 | flami | you heathens, you must believe in the gnome3 |
| 09:52.05 | indieross | it's ;like the third hole |
| 09:52.15 | indieross | you gotta believe it's there |
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| 09:53.52 | indieross | srsly though nautilus is the oinly thing wrong with gnome3 |
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| 09:54.25 | indieross | nemo is amagin if you havent already heard |
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| 09:54.36 | indieross | okay i cant type tonight |
| 09:54.50 | monkwitdafunk | Hi debian channel. I have not noticed system encryption in the debian 7.4.0 amd64 installer |
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| 09:55.25 | indieross | monkwitdafunk, you may not have noticed it but did you "look" for it? |
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| 09:56.29 | monkwitdafunk | I installed twice without luck |
| 09:56.51 | indieross | monkwitdafunk, http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze |
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| 09:59.09 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. Encryptfs. It is not part of dvd disk one |
| 09:59.20 | monkwitdafunk | Is it? |
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| 10:01.34 | monkwitdafunk | I will check kernel.org if i do not.get an answer. Thanks |
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| 10:05.04 | wols | monkwitdafunk: the debian installer can automatically set up disk encrpytion fo rthe system |
| 10:05.30 | wols | you need to do manual partiioning afaik |
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| 10:08.13 | monkwitdafunk | Right. That is why i knew i did sonething wrong |
| 10:08.24 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. Thanks. Brb. |
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| 10:48.19 | kikokos | hi, I'm trying since one hour to run an application in a specific language tried already LANG=de nameoftheapp |
| 10:48.26 | kikokos | seems to be not working |
| 10:48.52 | wols | does the german locale exist on the system at all? |
| 10:49.09 | wols | ie have you configured the system that i can use the german locale? |
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| 10:52.30 | shovel_boss | hello |
| 10:52.39 | shovel_boss | how do i open img files in debian? |
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| 10:52.55 | nkuttler | shovel_boss: what do you mean, like an iso? |
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| 10:53.06 | shovel_boss | yes |
| 10:53.47 | nkuttler | shovel_boss: man 8 mount has examples |
| 10:54.38 | nkuttler | shovel_boss: notice that isos are often iso9660 |
| 10:54.44 | ompaul | several reasons this might be useful mkdir /mnt/meh mount -r -o loop file.img /mnt/meh |
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| 10:55.21 | shovel_boss | i dont want to mount it |
| 10:55.21 | ompaul | it may also be a compressed file system and you might need to run unsquashfs or some such |
| 10:55.27 | shovel_boss | i need to extract |
| 10:55.39 | ompaul | so you mount - get at the data unmount |
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| 11:02.13 | skyroveRR | Hello |
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| 11:04.14 | skyroveRR | I am currently using openwrt, which is debian based, I was wondering how to turn off/on the visibility of my bluetooth dongle that's attached to my computer, I know it's possible with GUI, but I wanted to know if it's possible with the command line since I only have CLI on openwrt.. |
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| 11:06.55 | monkwitdafunk | Have you tried man or info? |
| 11:06.56 | Brigo | skyflash_, yes, with bluez-tools |
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| 11:07.30 | skyroveRR | Brigo: I don't have bluez-tools, but I do have bluez-utils.. |
| 11:07.50 | skyroveRR | monkwitdafunk: I don't have man command on my router.. |
| 11:09.08 | skyroveRR | Oh wait a sec, I missed this particular man page that I found on my computer rather than my router... |
| 11:09.20 | Brigo | !tell skyflash_ about debian based |
| 11:09.29 | monkwitdafunk | Try man man |
| 11:09.34 | monkwitdafunk | It.may help |
| 11:09.57 | monkwitdafunk | I am not a big fan of wifi.skyrove |
| 11:10.19 | Brigo | skyroveRR, in debian the package calls bluez-tools, but you can try with bluez-utils. |
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| 11:10.37 | skyroveRR | monkwitdafunk: I am talking about bluetooth, not wifi :) |
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| 11:10.52 | skyroveRR | Brigo: I'm checking those out. |
| 11:11.08 | Brigo | skyflash_, if you need the manpages, or something, ask google,of course :-) |
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| 11:11.28 | skyroveRR | I'm sure skyflash_ will be pissed ;) |
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| 11:15.45 | Brigo | themill, are you there? |
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| 11:17.00 | Brigo | themill, i want to learn how to use judd, can you send me a link? thaks :-) |
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| 11:20.02 | jelly-home | Brigo: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 11:21.15 | jelly-home | skyroveRR: openwrt is not actually debian based at all. Its packaging system is somewhat inspired by dpkg, but that's all |
| 11:21.42 | Brigo | jelly, thanks! :-) |
| 11:21.44 | skyroveRR | Well, doesn't openwrt follow the timeline similar to that of debian releases? |
| 11:22.08 | level7 | hi all... I lost the link where somebody was pointing me out the list of sources so that aptitude gets all the packs ... can somebody help me? :) |
| 11:22.28 | shovel_boss | mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/isotest -o loop |
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| 11:22.32 | shovel_boss | whats wrong with that line |
| 11:22.36 | shovel_boss | where do i put the iso dir |
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| 11:22.59 | jelly-home | skyroveRR: #openwrt channel would be a better place to ask questions about it |
| 11:23.08 | skyroveRR | shovel_boss: put -o loop before /dev/blablabla. |
| 11:23.13 | skyroveRR | jelly-home: alrighty. |
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| 11:23.26 | shovel_boss | skyroveRR, can you write the full line |
| 11:23.40 | skyroveRR | I thought the order of the options is significant... |
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| 11:27.08 | shovel_boss | root@user:/home/user# mount -t iso9660 /dev/home/user/Desktop/SMOS-Linux1.3-2GB.img /mnt/isotest -o loop |
| 11:27.09 | shovel_boss | /dev/home/user/Desktop/SMOS-Linux1.3-2GB.img: No such file or directory |
| 11:27.09 | shovel_boss | root@user:/home/user# |
| 11:27.13 | shovel_boss | wat |
| 11:28.05 | shovel_boss | help me i just need this iso extracted |
| 11:28.50 | Brigo | shovel_boss, i think this /dev is a mistake, try /home/user/Desktop/SMOS-Linux1.3-2GB.img |
| 11:28.59 | shovel_boss | ok |
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| 11:29.42 | shovel_boss | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 11:29.43 | shovel_boss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.43 | shovel_boss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.43 | shovel_boss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:29.49 | Brigo | shovel_boss, you are not extracting the iso, you are only monting it. |
| 11:30.00 | shovel_boss | it cant mount |
| 11:30.43 | Brigo | try mount -t auto /dev/home/user/Desktop/SMOS-Linux1.3-2GB.img |
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| 11:32.32 | towo` | shovel_boss, /dev/home/user/Desktop/SMOS-Linux1.3-2GB.img is not a valid path |
| 11:32.40 | tomodachi | what happes of you just have the security updates mirrors in your sources.list and do an upgrade? |
| 11:33.03 | shovel_boss | http://pastebin.com/XqYWVBMx |
| 11:33.04 | tomodachi | will all other packages be removed? |
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| 11:34.04 | Nik05 | mount -o loop foo.img bar |
| 11:34.09 | Brigo | tomodachi, nothing, i think |
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| 11:35.02 | tomodachi | i was doing a release upgrade |
| 11:35.09 | BugBite | shovel_boss you need to convert img2iso and then mount it. see; http://lj4newbies.blogspot.nl/2007/06/mount-iso-cuebin-nrg-img-mdf-files-in.html |
| 11:35.20 | tomodachi | so i replace squeeze with wheezy, but failed to notice that the source |
| 11:35.30 | tomodachi | file didnt have any main repo mirror only for security updates |
| 11:35.32 | Nik05 | apt-get update... |
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| 11:35.50 | Brigo | tomodachi, no problem, then |
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| 11:36.24 | tomodachi | Brigo: well i just noticed that the machines does not have sshd anymore |
| 11:36.44 | tomodachi | im thinking it removed stuff during this semi upgrade |
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| 11:39.18 | Brigo | tomodachi, upgrade is to removes old package and install newers ones. If there are no newers package there are no upgrade (not removing) i think |
| 11:40.59 | BugBite | shovel_boss Take a look on Furius ISO Mount , this is in debian. |
| 11:41.13 | Brigo | tomodachi, try dpkg -l openssh-server and tell me about the tow first letters in the line |
| 11:41.39 | tomodachi | Brigo: ok givvmie a second need to run over to the machine |
| 11:42.18 | tomodachi | it says rc |
| 11:42.21 | tomodachi | Brigo: |
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| 11:54.58 | IzarrenHautsa | Hi, I installed debian, and I have a GeForce4 MX 440 I need 1366x768 but gives me only 1024x768 |
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| 11:55.05 | IzarrenHautsa | How can I fix that? please :-) |
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| 11:56.01 | DrSlony | indieross wols ompaul thank you :] |
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| 11:56.14 | tomodachi | what is the meaning of the flag rc when doing dpkg -l for a package? |
| 11:56.23 | jair | tomodachi: japanese? |
| 11:56.30 | tomodachi | jair: no0p |
| 11:56.32 | tomodachi | no |
| 11:56.40 | yottanami | I want to dist-upgrade but I have this error http://dpaste.com/1677569/ |
| 11:56.41 | yottanami | so I tried apt-get -f install now I have this http://dpaste.com/1677573/ |
| 11:56.54 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: that card is ancient. |
| 11:56.55 | jair | tomodachi: ;-) |
| 11:57.27 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, I know but can give that resolution without any problem indeed it had it in ubuntu and win, I want just debian |
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| 11:57.34 | IzarrenHautsa | is an old computer |
| 11:57.40 | blubberdiblub | tomodachi, the explanation of the letters is at the top, in the header of the output of dpkg -l |
| 11:58.21 | blubberdiblub | tomodachi, r -> desired=Remove c -> status=Conf-files |
| 11:58.22 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: ok, let's work a little on this problem. Which driver do you use? |
| 11:58.29 | IzarrenHautsa | nouveau |
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| 11:58.51 | IzarrenHautsa | should I try propietary? |
| 11:59.40 | yottanami | I tried to delete /var/cache/apt/archives/wine64-unstable_1.7.12-1_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/wine32-unstable_1.7.12-1_i386.deb but I have errors yet |
| 11:59.43 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: you can use http://paste.debian.net to provide the logfile /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:00.05 | IzarrenHautsa | doesnt exist |
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| 12:00.41 | musca | 0 is zero not Oh. |
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| 12:02.11 | IzarrenHautsa | sorry |
| 12:02.14 | IzarrenHautsa | IO read xorg.conf |
| 12:02.14 | IzarrenHautsa | XD |
| 12:02.15 | IzarrenHautsa | wait |
| 12:03.04 | musca | it's okay to have no xorg.conf |
| 12:03.11 | Nik05 | yes |
| 12:03.13 | IzarrenHautsa | http://paste.debian.net/84871/ |
| 12:03.37 | IzarrenHautsa | yes I know that its ok (not years ago hehe) |
| 12:03.58 | Brigo | tomodachi, It was removed, then :-/ |
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| 12:04.22 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: see line 213 + 214 |
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| 12:05.44 | IzarrenHautsa | what config file? |
| 12:05.49 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: and: Not using mode "1368x0_768.00" (vrefresh out of range) |
| 12:05.50 | Brigo | tomodachi, You can get a list of all removed package with: dpkg -l|grep ^rc|cut -d" " -f 3 |
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| 12:06.07 | IzarrenHautsa | but is not posible |
| 12:06.16 | IzarrenHautsa | my card and monitor supports that |
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| 12:07.42 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, any ssuggestion? |
| 12:07.49 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: I thinks it's a glitch in the monitors EDID that reduces the vertical refresh rates. |
| 12:08.04 | IzarrenHautsa | in xorg |
| 12:08.15 | IzarrenHautsa | should I do something in xorg? |
| 12:08.43 | musca | no, the driver queries the monitor by DDC |
| 12:09.29 | IzarrenHautsa | xrandr? |
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| 12:09.32 | IzarrenHautsa | any solution? |
| 12:09.37 | IzarrenHautsa | other driver? |
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| 12:10.45 | IzarrenHautsa | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx |
| 12:10.52 | IzarrenHautsa | this support my nvidia... |
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| 12:13.40 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: yes, why not. |
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| 12:15.57 | musca | !nvidia dkms-96xx |
| 12:15.57 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" users (GeForce 2/3/4 GPUs supported). Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 12:16.05 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: ^ |
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| 12:17.03 | musca | ,v nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver --release wheezy-backports |
| 12:17.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 96.43.23-7~bpo70+1 |
| 12:17.07 | IzarrenHautsa | i did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
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| 12:17.46 | musca | i don't think that will work out for you. |
| 12:17.49 | IzarrenHautsa | the installer put nouveau in black list automatically and tell me to rstart |
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| 12:17.55 | IzarrenHautsa | I will try |
| 12:17.58 | IzarrenHautsa | and then your text |
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| 12:18.00 | IzarrenHautsa | thanks |
| 12:18.07 | IzarrenHautsa | I will save it in a .txt |
| 12:18.18 | musca | good idea. |
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| 12:19.06 | tomodachi | Brigo: i havea copy of the machine from before the upgade i will just revert to it and redo the upgrade not to risk having any missing packages thnx |
| 12:19.34 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: did you create a device section? |
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| 12:19.47 | Brigo | tomodachi, very good idea the backup :-) |
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| 12:20.56 | tomodachi | brigo :) im actually moving an entire os installation from one disk to another, then i wanted to do an upgrade, so will just rsync everything from the original disk to the new one again |
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| 12:24.14 | pederindi | Hi, anyone did "apt-get install owncloud" with success? After configuring with sqlite the webpage says "cloud not found". In internet, bloggers suggest to use private repositories "as the package is not in debian". Not it is in, but seems is not working...? Thanks |
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| 12:27.25 | indieross | pederindi, i just did |
| 12:27.32 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, nvidia driver works but still 1024x768: http://paste.debian.net/84873/ |
| 12:27.37 | IzarrenHautsa | That is the log... |
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| 12:27.40 | indieross | after it installed i just went to http://localhost/owncloud |
| 12:27.42 | IzarrenHautsa | :\ |
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| 12:28.27 | indieross | pederindi, might be useful to note that i'm running jessie |
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| 12:30.40 | pederindi | indieross: i'm in stable/wheezy ... |
| 12:31.10 | indieross | and i didnt read you whole statement before i commented, im using mysqu not sqlite |
| 12:31.28 | indieross | but sounds to me like a database issue |
| 12:31.47 | indieross | or perhaps your set data dir does not exist |
| 12:31.58 | yottanami | For dist-upgrade I have this error http://dpaste.com/1677569/ and then http://dpaste.com/1677573/ |
| 12:31.59 | yottanami | so How can I fix it ? |
| 12:32.38 | pederindi | indieross: I will do this guide for configuring mysql, will be good? http://sharadchhetri.com/2013/08/08/how-to-install-owncloud-in-debian-wheezy-7/ |
| 12:32.40 | Brigo | musca, try to configure it in your desktop config tool |
| 12:33.28 | indieross | yeah pederindi, that looks good to me |
| 12:33.44 | musca | hmm? not me. |
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| 12:34.04 | indieross | yottanami, did you do a dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 12:34.12 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, did you read my paste? please.. |
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| 12:34.59 | yottanami | indieross: Yes I did some month ago |
| 12:35.19 | indieross | yottanami, are you using the liquorix repo? |
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| 12:35.28 | Brigo | yottanami, you are in sid, there is a lot of bugs. |
| 12:35.35 | indieross | http://liquorix.net/ |
| 12:35.49 | indieross | ^ check that out for the best kernel and wine version on debian |
| 12:35.53 | Brigo | yottanami, try to uninstall wine and upgrade and then reinstall |
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| 12:37.08 | yottanami | Brigo: I can not I have the same error http://dpaste.com/1677694/ |
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| 12:38.12 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: Line 140 (WW) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" will be used as the requested mode. |
| 12:38.13 | indieross | yottanami, what happens when you did the apt-get -f install |
| 12:38.28 | indieross | sorry i cant read |
| 12:38.31 | yottanami | indieross: I used liquorix but I removed it from sources.list |
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| 12:38.45 | yottanami | indieross: http://dpaste.com/1677573/ |
| 12:38.45 | indieross | yyyyyyyy |
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| 12:39.12 | indieross | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.19 | indieross | delete these files manually |
| 12:39.28 | indieross | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.17 | indieross | rm /usr/share/man/man1/wine32.1.gz && rm /usr/share/man/man1/wine64.1.gz && apt-get -f install |
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| 12:40.42 | indieross | BANGARANG! |
| 12:41.36 | gargaml | hi |
| 12:41.44 | Brigo | indieross, i think removing files will not be enought, try better to uninstall the conflicting package with dpkg --force-all |
| 12:41.55 | gargaml | I'm trying to install debian on the hp chromebook 14 |
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| 12:42.18 | gargaml | I'm almost done with all the configuration and kernel compilation |
| 12:42.21 | pederindi | indieross: with mysql I cannot finish setup, and with sqlite "cloud no found" |
| 12:42.28 | gargaml | but there is still one problem |
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| 12:42.55 | gargaml | I have the module chromeos_laptop in /lib/.../chromeos_laptop.ko |
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| 12:43.09 | gargaml | but when I use modprobe I can't load it |
| 12:43.28 | gargaml | I get an error which says "No such device" |
| 12:43.36 | gargaml | but yet it's there... |
| 12:43.53 | gargaml | any idea why such a behavior for a kernel module ? |
| 12:44.17 | indieross | pederindi, did you but any of those commands in single quotes? |
| 12:44.30 | indieross | like mysql> GRANT ALL ON owncloud.* TO 'ownclouduser'@'localhost'; |
| 12:44.45 | pederindi | indieross: I did like this |
| 12:45.11 | indieross | mysql> GRANT ALL ON owncloud.* TO foo@bar; |
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| 12:45.21 | indieross | there should be no quotes |
| 12:45.25 | pederindi | uuuh |
| 12:45.39 | indieross | same goes for the password |
| 12:45.41 | pederindi | let's see (thanks!) |
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| 12:46.14 | indieross | yottanami, any luck? |
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| 12:48.02 | indieross | gargaml, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Chromebook%2014 |
| 12:48.10 | indieross | did you read through that page? |
| 12:49.24 | indieross | i think moving to systemd on the hp chromebook might fix sleep/hibernation |
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| 12:50.04 | indieross | ive run into a few laptops that by making the switch to systemd it solved the sleep issues |
| 12:51.19 | gargaml | indieross: yes I did |
| 12:52.01 | gargaml | and the part about the trackpad issue is not very detailed |
| 12:52.14 | gargaml | I have the cyapa module loaded |
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| 12:52.50 | gargaml | but still not working, hence I'm trying to load the chromeos laptop module |
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| 12:55.43 | IzarrenHautsa | musca,Now it works BUT when I click auto in screen/monitor (button) the it doesnt fix at all and there are (more less) 100 pixels out of the ecreen (right place) |
| 12:57.14 | lord_rob | Hi! I'm using pan to download from usenet problem is that I'm using all the bandwidth, which does not please the rest of the house. My modem/router is too dumb to have traffic shaping options, so I'd need to have options to slow down the download of my usenet client. Any idea how? (It's not in the options of course) |
| 12:58.04 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: there is a newer driver in wheezy-backports |
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| 12:58.08 | musca | ,v nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver --release wheezy-backports |
| 12:58.10 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 96.43.23-7~bpo70+1 |
| 12:58.28 | IzarrenHautsa | wheezy-backports |
| 12:58.33 | IzarrenHautsa | how I add that to my apt sourcs |
| 12:58.46 | musca | !backports |
| 12:58.46 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:58.50 | musca | no |
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| 12:59.13 | abrotman | lord_rob: there's a package if I can find it .. moment |
| 12:59.26 | lord_rob | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:00.10 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 13:00.39 | IzarrenHautsa | should I put tht in security line too? |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | lord_rob: can't find the package anymore .. there is one called trickle, and I thought another called handbrake, but I can't find that at all |
| 13:02.10 | abrotman | lord_rob: or you could use wondershaper |
| 13:02.40 | abrotman | lord_rob: iprelay is packaged |
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| 13:03.24 | lord_rob | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=trickle |
| 13:03.40 | lord_rob | it's in all distros |
| 13:03.44 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | There you go |
| 13:04.46 | lord_rob | thanks abrotman I'll check trickle and your other suggestions if the first one doesn't work ;) |
| 13:04.57 | abrotman | good plan |
| 13:05.07 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, the web tells how to add line and how to intall but not how to search backports with apt...? |
| 13:05.50 | musca | what do you search? |
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| 13:07.10 | IzarrenHautsa | i want to search nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver the backoprt |
| 13:07.18 | IzarrenHautsa | how do you knw that there is a new one in backports? |
| 13:07.24 | abrotman | apt-cache policy foo |
| 13:07.35 | IzarrenHautsa | i can make apt-get -t wheezy-backports install |
| 13:07.39 | IzarrenHautsa | so is the same package? |
| 13:07.58 | abrotman | look and see |
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| 13:09.10 | IzarrenHautsa | I see |
| 13:09.16 | IzarrenHautsa | then is not deactivated by deffault... |
| 13:09.17 | IzarrenHautsa | :S |
| 13:09.26 | abrotman | what? |
| 13:09.40 | IzarrenHautsa | In the web tells that after the line in apt sources |
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| 13:09.53 | abrotman | tells you what>? |
| 13:10.00 | IzarrenHautsa | backports are not activated and you should make apt-get -t wheezy-backports install package |
| 13:10.03 | IzarrenHautsa | that |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | is that literally what it says? |
| 13:10.18 | IzarrenHautsa | but I see that apt-get install package is downloading the backport directly |
| 13:10.20 | IzarrenHautsa | yes... |
| 13:10.26 | abrotman | which page? |
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| 13:10.42 | IzarrenHautsa | All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 100 by using ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in the Release files. If you want to install something from backports run: |
| 13:10.43 | IzarrenHautsa | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 13:10.48 | IzarrenHautsa | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 13:10.56 | abrotman | It's poor wording, they are active, they are not default |
| 13:11.48 | themill | There's no correct wording that doesn't require people to understand pinning. |
| 13:12.27 | IzarrenHautsa | so then is not needed to put aptget install wheezy-bac... |
| 13:12.30 | IzarrenHautsa | yes? |
| 13:12.35 | IzarrenHautsa | sorry my english :) |
| 13:12.57 | themill | for that one particular package that is the case. It is not normally the case |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | IzarrenHautsa: The instructions are on that pge .. |
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| 13:13.55 | IzarrenHautsa | abrotman, the page says I need to put apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 13:13.59 | IzarrenHautsa | but I dont... :/ |
| 13:14.05 | IzarrenHautsa | So Im confused man... |
| 13:15.23 | lord_rob | abrotman: trickle does its job correctly but sucks my first CPU (core) 100%, not that I really need it to do compose text with LaTeX but still ... |
| 13:15.38 | musca | IzarrenHautsa: there is no package "nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver" in wheezy |
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| 13:16.40 | abrotman | lord_rob: There were other alternatives (plus,you may want to file a bug, that doesn't seem right) |
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| 13:18.11 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:18.58 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 13:21.48 | yottanami | indieross: any luck about what ? should I try anything ? |
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| 13:23.47 | indieross | luck with getting wine to update |
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| 13:31.47 | dutchfish | lord_rob, https://lwn.net/Articles/428230/ |
| 13:33.08 | yottanami | indieross: no I have that error yet. any suggestion ? |
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| 13:35.32 | tuvwx | what would be a good channel for discussing ARM MCUs? |
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| 13:36.35 | dutchfish | tuvwx, #arm on freenode, but your milage may differ, is it debian? |
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| 13:37.07 | tuvwx | dutchfish: no. MCU. not big enough for debian |
| 13:37.21 | tuvwx | dutchfish: will check out #arm.. thanks |
| 13:37.25 | dutchfish | tuvwx, either uc-linux or lfs |
| 13:37.49 | tuvwx | dutchfish: well, not looking to run linux on it. custom C code |
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| 13:38.34 | dutchfish | tuvwx, mm.. maybe some sbc channels or join #debian-offtopic to discuss this further, maybe i cna help a bit |
| 13:38.35 | IzarrenHautsa | musca, you are right... |
| 13:38.47 | IzarrenHautsa | so that is the reason and install the package directly |
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| 13:38.50 | IzarrenHautsa | ? |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | dutchfish: why not just go to #arm with him ? |
| 13:39.06 | dutchfish | abrotman, ah i can do that, thanks |
| 13:42.12 | Sbroker | I m goint to have lunch... |
| 13:42.21 | Sbroker | aurrevoires |
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| 13:48.16 | HicksD_ | Is there a way to get a list of all the packages aptitude recently upgraded? I'm having a problem with xfsettingsd and want to check if it's changed recently or not |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | HicksD_: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 13:49.18 | HicksD_ | cheers. |
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| 14:17.01 | consi_ | hey guys, I asked in the #mutt channel but got no answer. does anyone knows how to read cyrillic mails in mutt? I run my system on an english/german locale, but the russian ones are also installed. fonts also. |
| 14:17.31 | consi_ | but i can not see russian characters in xterm |
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| 14:28.33 | val_erie | I have wheezy installed in old intel computer and chromium browser is showing "glittery" videos. lspci shows: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller. How do I know if I need to install driver for this VGA controller? |
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| 14:37.07 | bullgard4 | val_erie: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:46.22 | Tadd | hi |
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| 14:46.37 | Tadd | Can I get some help with openvpn? |
| 14:47.16 | Tadd | I dont know where I get the needed certificates from :/ |
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| 14:49.32 | val_erie | bullgard4, what should I be looking for ? It's a big file |
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| 14:57.45 | Brigo | val_erie, paste it, and we will check it. |
| 14:58.12 | Brigo | !tell val_erie about paste |
| 14:58.42 | biglama | hi guys, i'm having weird audio output with vlc : sound is distorted, with some sort of crackling |
| 14:58.58 | biglama | i tried several outputs (aslsa, pulse) but it does not change anything |
| 14:59.06 | biglama | the sound from mplayer is fine though |
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| 15:02.32 | ruukasu | is there any way I can check if the version of a package on my mirror is the same as the remote one, and install from the mirror if so, or otherwise install remotely? |
| 15:02.47 | ruukasu | s/install remotely/download from repo and install |
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| 15:02.54 | bullgard4 | biglama: Start vlc from the command line and check the ensuing messages for errors. |
| 15:04.17 | biglama | bullgard4: nope, no errors |
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| 15:04.34 | bullgard4 | ruukasu: A more economical way usually i to keep your mirror up-to-date. |
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| 15:04.51 | bullgard4 | s/i/is/ |
| 15:05.21 | ruukasu | true... |
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| 15:05.55 | Tadd | uhm...openvpn has no "public" servers? |
| 15:06.28 | bullgard4 | biglama: Have you set your vlc amplification factor too high? |
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| 15:07.58 | ruukasu | jesus, my mirror was completed less than 15 hours ago and already there's 5GB to download? |
| 15:09.03 | biglama | bullgard4: omg, you are right |
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| 15:09.24 | biglama | volume was at 180°, I didn't even know it was possible... |
| 15:09.33 | biglama | 180% |
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| 15:09.47 | biglama | thanks a lot |
| 15:09.55 | petn-randall | ruukasu: Surprise :). Guessing you did a full mirror just for fun? |
| 15:09.58 | bullgard4 | my pleasure |
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| 15:11.13 | ruukasu | petn-randall, on the road without internet a lot, plus one more backup of the repos can't hurt, should there be a nuclear holocaust or something |
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| 15:12.06 | val_erie | Brigo, thanks : http://paste.debian.net/84891/ |
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| 15:13.10 | petn-randall | Tadd: Why would something called "Virtual private network" have public servers? And what should they do? |
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| 15:17.01 | Brigo | val_erie, i see no errors, in file. Try to paste /var/log/kern.log |
| 15:19.34 | val_erie | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/84893/ |
| 15:19.48 | Tadd | petn-randall: they offer a free membership with 2 licences so I thought they meant two small vpns connection via their servers |
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| 15:20.16 | Lope | I see that wheezy has spice-vdagent package, but so far I've been unable to install it with apt-get https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/spice-vdagent |
| 15:20.44 | Brigo | val_erie, you paste only 4 lines. If kern.log only have 4 paste then /var/log/kern.log.1 |
| 15:21.10 | Lope | I did a net install and was not connected to the internet at the time so I only got the security mirrors in my sources.list file. I've since added more sources but apt-get still doesn't find it (after running update of course) |
| 15:21.38 | musca | !sources |
| 15:21.38 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:22.33 | tremon | Lope: do you have internet connectivity at all on that machine? If you install without internet connection, your network devices will not be configured |
| 15:22.38 | Lope | I've got deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free (plus the same at various other hosts. |
| 15:23.12 | Lope | I have internet connectivity now. apt-get update does manage to make some successful transfers. |
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| 15:24.14 | musca | !sources |
| 15:24.14 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:24.45 | dvs | musca: so what cha saying? :-) |
| 15:24.54 | Lope | interesting that there is wheezy (space) main and then there is wheezy (forwardslash) updates then there is also wheezy (minus) updates ? |
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| 15:25.37 | petn-randall | Lope: one is the main repo, one is bugfixes, and one security updates. |
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| 15:26.20 | dvs | well, it's not bug fixes but packages that are frequently updated. |
| 15:26.44 | arthurfiggis | hello :) for anyone who's running the steam linux client in debian, is it possible at all to use in wheezy? i've tried installing it, but it depends on a later version of libc than is in stable, so i assume probably not :( |
| 15:26.55 | Lope | should I add contrib and non-free for security updates as well? |
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| 15:27.11 | dvs | Lope: that's a good idea. |
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| 15:29.15 | Lope | what does deb-src do? |
| 15:29.29 | dvs | allows access to the source cod.e |
| 15:29.51 | Lope | will it generally be identical to the deb line? |
| 15:30.02 | dvs | yes |
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| 15:32.46 | Lope | is it okay to have multiple hosts of the same thing? |
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| 15:32.59 | Lope | like one in UK one in south africa? |
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| 15:33.06 | Lope | for the same repo |
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| 15:33.15 | dvs | No, that's not a good idea. |
| 15:33.21 | Lope | ok |
| 15:33.52 | dvs | http.debian.net is (usually) the best "repo" |
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| 15:36.17 | val_erie | Brigo, kern.log.1 is 570 kB and too big for all paste services except wikisend and for some reason I get We are sorry, but an error has occured while uploading. there |
| 15:36.18 | Lope | yep, works much better than the local ones I was trying now. |
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| 15:37.41 | val_erie | Brigo, it went through: http://wikisend.com/download/178034/kern.txt |
| 15:37.42 | Brigo | val_erie, then paste only the end 1000 line or 500, what you can. But i don know whete the output of the graphic car driver are, if there are any |
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| 15:38.18 | Brigo | val_erie, ok, i got it. |
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| 15:39.28 | XTF | Hi. I'm trying to install testing (in VMware) and it keeps hanging on Configuring apt, Scanning CD. Known issue? |
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| 15:40.29 | petn-randall | !testing installer |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:40.35 | petn-randall | XTF: ^^^ |
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| 15:42.07 | XTF | petn-randall: Thanks, but why does http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ point me to testing images then? |
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| 15:44.25 | Brigo | val_erie, which card model? |
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| 15:47.03 | Brigo | val_erie, dont worry |
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| 15:48.05 | Brigo | val_erie, It looks like a kernel boog, solved in 3.5-rc2, so you better install a new kernel |
| 15:48.18 | Brigo | s/boog/bug |
| 15:48.31 | ravigehlot | I have various images file names with accents and other illegal characters. The name of the file is not in UTF-8. How can I rename all files to UTF8? |
| 15:48.50 | Brigo | val_erie, i think you will need backports |
| 15:49.04 | Brigo | !tell val_erie about backports |
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| 15:50.54 | val_erie | Brigo, I had later kernel 3.12 with btrfs filesystem on this computer and had the same problem, but I can try again |
| 15:51.04 | petn-randall | XTF: So you can test the pre-release version of the installer. |
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| 15:51.32 | tremon | ravigehlot: you can use iconv, but automated translation is only useful if you know the original encoding. If the originals are on a foreign partition (jfs, vfat, ntfs), look into the various charset mount options |
| 15:52.26 | Brigo | val_erie, well, the logs was from 3.2 kernel. and i readed here: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1586&start=20 about a bug like your one solved with 3.5 kernel. |
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| 15:53.25 | val_erie | Brigo, so I should install 3.5 then? Thanks for your help |
| 15:53.35 | dvs | or newer |
| 15:54.09 | Brigo | val_erie, no 3.5 or newer. 3.12 for example. |
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| 15:54.35 | Brigo | if you have the same bug with 3.12 then this is another bug. |
| 15:55.01 | Brigo | It will be a good think to paste the 3.12 kernel logs too. |
| 15:56.13 | val_erie | Brigo, yes, I had the same with 3.12. If I try it again and have a problem I should paste the logs here? |
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| 15:57.06 | Brigo | val_erie, in paste.debian.org better, and here the link :-) |
| 15:57.46 | val_erie | Brigo, thanks, I will do that |
| 15:58.11 | Brigo | you are wellcome, but now i go (soccer time) ;-) |
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| 16:18.24 | nkn__ | Hey guys, what is the directory that my application's log files should go? /var/log has permissions only for root. so not sure where normal applications will log.. |
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| 16:20.31 | jhutchins | nkn__: "Normal applications"? |
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| 16:22.01 | nkn__ | jhutchins, applications executed by the current user |
| 16:22.11 | nkn__ | jhutchins, not run as root |
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| 16:24.19 | tremon | what's wrong with logging to stderr? |
| 16:25.26 | nkn__ | tremon, I was talking about logging to a file. this could be a GUI application started by the desktop environment |
| 16:26.23 | tremon | most X apps log to stderr, and the messages end up in ~/.xsession-errors. If you really want a log file, use ~/.$app/log |
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| 16:29.43 | nkn__ | tremon, thanks. that is what I am doing currently. was wondering if that is the right choice. thanks.. |
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| 16:30.25 | tremon | I'd look into the xdg specs, but I don't think log file locations are explicitly defined |
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| 16:31.00 | nkn__ | tremon, XDG specs defines data directory. probably make a log inside the data directory |
| 16:31.39 | tremon | yeah, but I wouldn't consider log files data, I'd consider them runtime |
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| 16:39.02 | Lope | whats the best way to make a USB live image that has persistence? I've tried usb-creator but the option to do persistence is greyed out. |
| 16:39.26 | jhutchins | Lope: http://pendrivelinux.com |
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| 16:40.47 | nicdev | I am trying to configure/build Handbreak (http://handbrake.fr/) but I am getting GTK+ errors. I have libgtk-3-dev installed but my build fails with errors like "error: unknown type name ‘GtkListBoxRow’". Any ideas on what I might be missing? |
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| 16:44.00 | jhutchins | ,v handbreak |
| 16:44.01 | judd | No package named 'handbreak' was found in i386. |
| 16:44.06 | jhutchins | ,v handbrake |
| 16:44.07 | judd | Package: handbrake on i386 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; jessie: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9; experimental: 0.9.9+svn6032+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.9-dmo8; sid-multimedia: 1:0.9.9-dmo9 |
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| 16:44.54 | Lope | I had trouble now getting a i386 debian netinstall VM to share clipboard with my host... I'm running virt manager. I've got all the necessary stuff installed on the host. configured my display as spice and video as QXL, I installed spice-vdagent and started the service and the instance, and confirmed it was running. but still no clipboard sharing. Usually I do it inside a desktop environment. |
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| 16:46.49 | nicdev | judd: i was building from source not with the package manager |
| 16:46.50 | judd | No package named 'was' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 16:47.04 | nicdev | judd: sorry for not being clear |
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| 16:48.15 | cybrNaut | is there a way to bypass the partitioning step on a netinst install? |
| 16:48.20 | jhutchins | nicdev: judd is our database bot. |
| 16:48.29 | nkn__ | I have a package which needs to be built for amd64 and x86. Now the debian control file lets you specify the architecture for the package. If I need to build on x86, should I create another control file ? |
| 16:48.52 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Yes, advanced install allows you to choose existing partitions and format them or not. |
| 16:49.41 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: by advanced, do you mean "expert"? I used the expert mode, and it forced me through the partition process |
| 16:50.00 | jhutchins | nicdev: You could try building the devian version from source and using builddep to get all the required parts, but I'm guessing it's more of a version problem. You'll need to find out what the dependencies are from handbrake support. |
| 16:50.47 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Probably expert, yes, and using existing partitions isn't as obvious as it could be but it can be done. |
| 16:51.01 | nicdev | jhutchins: thanks, let me try to contact them and see what i can get |
| 16:51.18 | jhutchins | Lope: What is your virtualization platform? |
| 16:52.01 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: I'm not sure you can avoid formatting if the partitions are not already linux filesystems. |
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| 16:52.07 | Lope | kvm |
| 16:52.12 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: I've run the installer maybe five times in the past ten years. |
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| 16:52.26 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: i think if the partitioning element of the install runs at all, i'm screwed at that point. the installer *forces* swap to be encrypted. |
| 16:52.30 | Lope | oh, sorry, hypervisor is qemu |
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| 16:52.54 | cybrNaut | (and i'm trying to avoid an encrypted swap) |
| 16:53.11 | jhutchins | Lope: THere is a #qemu channel on oftc.net |
| 16:53.43 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: I know that's not true, none of my systems are encrypted. |
| 16:54.05 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: well i don't want a fully unencrypted drive either |
| 16:54.12 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: But yes, if you choose an encrypted system you will format, zero, and encrypt your partitions. |
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| 16:54.39 | Lope | jhutchins: ok, thnaks |
| 16:54.43 | cybrNaut | i want to pick and choose |
| 16:54.50 | HicksD_ | wouldn't a non-encrypted swap limit the security of using encryption? |
| 16:54.55 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: An installer has to make certain assumptions or it becomes burdensomely complex. |
| 16:55.05 | HicksD_ | assuming the key can be swapped out at some point? |
| 16:55.53 | cybrNaut | HicksD_: it's an OPAL-compliant drive, so swap actually is encrypted, but debian has no way to know that |
| 16:56.03 | HicksD_ | ah |
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| 16:57.22 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: in this case, it seems complexity was /added/, and it's working against me. The installer proactively checks on what an "expert" is doing, and stops them |
| 16:57.43 | cybrNaut | imo, "expert" mode should not nanny the admin |
| 16:57.55 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: There are other ways to install. |
| 16:57.58 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 16:57.58 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 16:58.18 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 16:58.36 | ompaul | cybrNaut: if you want more hands off file a bug against the installer |
| 16:59.23 | cybrNaut | ompaul: i plan to.. already wrote the report.. just waiting until I have a good workaround to supplement with it |
| 16:59.39 | ompaul | cool |
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| 17:03.29 | padma | Hello! Is debian jessie better for doing packaging? |
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| 17:05.07 | HicksD_ | better in what sense? |
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| 17:06.23 | padma | To contribute. I'm packaging a few ruby gems. |
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| 17:06.36 | Lope | is it possible to do a normal installation onto a USB flash drive (as opposed to putting a live image on the flash drive? |
| 17:07.09 | zykotick9 | Lope: yes, but don't expect great performance |
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| 17:09.20 | cybrNaut | jhutchins: is preseeding what you had in mind? that probably won't solve my problem, but it seems very useful. I've made ~5 installation attempts in the past couple weeks, so pre-seeding will at least mitigate answering the same questions each time |
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| 17:10.04 | mauww | is it possible to mod a debian live system and to save the changes? |
| 17:10.18 | jhutchins | cybrNaut: Actually I was thinking of something more manual like debootstrap. |
| 17:10.54 | jhutchins | mauww: It's not how they're usually built to be used, but it's possible in a couple of ways. |
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| 17:11.23 | jhutchins | mauww: If you're using an iso you can remaster it; you can also build a persistent install on a USB drive. |
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| 17:12.39 | mauww | persistent install mhhh :/ ? thinking over it |
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| 17:13.02 | LoneStar99 | any reason quota package would be marked for "deinstall" ? |
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| 17:13.03 | mauww | but i really think this remastering is the way to go |
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| 17:13.50 | jhutchins | mauww: http://pendrivelinux.com |
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| 17:14.03 | nkn__ | When I submit a package to Debian, I will be providing the .deb file and .dsc file right? Should I also provide the debian control files and rules files that are used for packaging? |
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| 17:14.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nkn__ about mentors |
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| 17:16.13 | jhutchins | nkn__: Yes, you want to provide the files that will make up the deb-src package. |
| 17:16.23 | jhutchins | !tell nkn__ about nmg |
| 17:16.53 | nkn__ | thanks. |
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| 17:17.57 | nkn__ | jhutchins, So if my package needs to be built on multiple architectures, should I be using different control files? |
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| 17:18.51 | jhutchins | nkn__: i think that depends on the package, but see nmg. |
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| 17:20.08 | nkn__ | jhutchins, thanks |
| 17:20.14 | nkn__ | abrotman, thanks |
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| 17:22.33 | surething | Lucretia is my favourite Megadeth song |
| 17:22.46 | WormFood | is it possible to install debian, through the normal install procedure, to a network drive? I know how to install it, on the server, to a directory, but I'm curious to know if it's possible through the regular installer. |
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| 17:24.20 | jhutchins | WormFood: What kind of network drive? |
| 17:24.25 | WormFood | nfs |
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| 17:24.50 | abrotman | WormFood: so you want / on NFS? |
| 17:24.54 | jhutchins | WormFood: Yes, that's what a PXE system like ltfs will do. |
| 17:24.57 | WormFood | I could setup iscsi, but my last server died, and I'm lazy to get it all setup again. |
| 17:25.31 | WormFood | yeah, that is what I want to do. Like I said, I know how to install it, to a directory on the server, and boot from the workstation. I can do that....I'm curious about the regular installer |
| 17:26.01 | WormFood | I'm thinking, since I have a command prompt, I can probably do it....if I have the right information. |
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| 17:26.26 | WormFood | so, I'm playing around with it now, seeing if I can make it work |
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| 17:28.21 | jhutchins | WormFood: ltsp and such usually build the image on the server, then connect over the net. |
| 17:28.39 | WormFood | right. That is what I've done in the past. |
| 17:28.41 | jhutchins | WormFood: Basically install in a chroot. |
| 17:28.55 | WormFood | and it has worked extremely well. I was very impressed that it worked the first time I tried it. |
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| 17:29.27 | WormFood | I know exactly how it works. It's a clever way to solve that problem. |
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| 17:45.17 | Lope | is it possible to take a devian VM that I created from a netinstall image, copy it to a physical machine's hard drive and boot it? |
| 17:45.37 | frostschutz | sure |
| 17:45.46 | WormFood | Lope, sure, just need to make it boot |
| 17:45.49 | Lope | linux rocks. |
| 17:45.57 | WormFood | Winblows rots |
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| 17:46.44 | Lope | friends don't let friends use windows. |
| 17:47.23 | WormFood | years and years ago, I had a poster that said that...that was back in the windows 3.x daze |
| 17:47.44 | Lope | wow, just saw a tshirt saying that today. |
| 17:47.57 | WormFood | it's nothing new |
| 17:48.02 | Lope | har har |
| 17:48.05 | ElDiabolo | Hi. On my laptop the desktop login has stopped for all *dm and for all users except for root. Ssh login works. Any hints on what is happening? |
| 17:48.18 | mtn | it used to be "friends don't let friends use dos" |
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| 17:48.43 | mns | is there a way to run curl .. and have it wait for an URL to come up .... rather than running it in a /bin/sh while loop ? |
| 17:49.19 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg <-- full page ad, from 198x (I think it is from 82 or 83, but no later than '84 for sure), that proclaims "the price war is over", because they're offering 5 meg hard drives for only $995 |
| 17:49.57 | WormFood | I wonder how many times the price war on hard drives will be over ;) |
| 17:50.02 | ElDiabolo | I am currently suspecting pam, but any other ideas are appreciated. |
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| 17:51.19 | Lope | I feel I've wasted most of my life. I only started using linux about 5 months ago. |
| 17:51.38 | mns | ElDiabolo ... what do the logs say ? |
| 17:51.45 | Lope | squandered on windows. |
| 17:51.49 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 17:52.03 | mns | Lope: its ok .. now you'll be more productive and makeup for the wasted time :) |
| 17:52.14 | ElDiabolo | mns, No obvious error messages. No EE in the Xorg logs. |
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| 17:53.02 | arthurfiggis | Lope: i'm more of the opinion that you should use what does the job you need it to do...pretty simple rule that people have been waving about since the 80's :) if windows suited you until now then that's great, if you're now using linux that's great too...and if debian even better obviously ;) |
| 17:53.20 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, OK, thats something. It says: open: Permission denied |
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| 17:55.07 | Lope | yeah you guys are right. I was just being dramatic in support of Linux :) |
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| 17:55.23 | Lope | It also makes me appreciate linux that much more. |
| 17:55.36 | Lope | cos I've experienced the microsoft rot for so many years. |
| 17:56.08 | Lope | also, being a hacker on windows is really uncool. you constantly have to automate GUIs! |
| 17:56.17 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: on what? |
| 17:56.31 | abrotman | points Lope toward #debian-offtopic |
| 17:56.37 | Lope | anyway I won't preach to the choir |
| 17:57.16 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Thats what xsession-errors says after the "X session started" line. |
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| 17:58.31 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: paste.debian.net |
| 17:58.35 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Neither why nor which permission exactly. |
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| 18:00.43 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/84921/ |
| 18:02.09 | WormFood | jhutchins, I'm not sure exactly how to install the system, with debootstrap, because it's for a different architecture. I totally forgot about that. no way to chroot into it, to finish the setup, using that process. |
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| 18:03.31 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: that's the entire contents of the file ? |
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| 18:04.31 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Yeah. But google just helped. I found that: drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4096 Mär 2 18:43 tmp |
| 18:04.51 | abrotman | that's your /tmp/ ? |
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| 18:05.17 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, /tmp is no longer writeable for all users. |
| 18:05.23 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Yes. |
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| 18:05.40 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: that's bad, yes |
| 18:06.09 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, No idea how that happened, chmod accident maybe. |
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| 18:06.40 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 18:09.36 | jaami | defined the rule in /etc/udev/rules.d like this UBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1782", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5d01", MODE="0660", OWNER="root", GROUP="androiddev", SYMLINK+="android%n" |
| 18:09.46 | jaami | but still device is not recognized |
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| 18:10.04 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Thanks a lot, I did not know about xsession-errors, I was just searching /var/log/ for hints |
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| 18:10.34 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have had something |
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| 18:11.45 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, No. It basically said that the xserver shut down after successfully starting. No EE, no problem related WW. |
| 18:12.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:13.46 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Just rebooting to see if some startup thingy resets /tmp permissions. |
| 18:13.58 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 18:15.13 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Fix successfully tested :) |
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| 18:18.05 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
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| 18:21.31 | jaami | can someone tell me how to define rules in /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
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| 18:33.43 | lokigr | hi i m looking to debian packages and seems that aptitude is dead project....basically it has only bugfixes... is there anyone knowing what happens? |
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| 18:35.08 | deepy- | Does aptitude do what you want? |
| 18:35.53 | lokigr | yes... |
| 18:36.02 | lokigr | but it seems dead.. |
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| 18:36.10 | phogg | lokigr: so? |
| 18:36.16 | mtn | lokigr: seems lively to me |
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| 18:36.22 | lokigr | i use it for 6 years |
| 18:36.30 | deepy- | you'd be surprised how few updates 'ls' has gotten the past year |
| 18:36.33 | deepy- | yet people still use it! |
| 18:36.58 | lokigr | of carse they use it |
| 18:37.06 | lokigr | but has only bug fixes |
| 18:37.15 | lokigr | 0.6 series.. |
| 18:37.17 | mtn | lokigr: what else does it need? |
| 18:38.00 | lokigr | difficult question.. |
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| 18:38.13 | lokigr | basicaly the answer is difficult to me |
| 18:38.36 | lokigr | i see that other pms on other distro are activelly developed... |
| 18:38.52 | lokigr | and aptitude not |
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| 18:39.15 | gnugnu8 | hi |
| 18:39.24 | gnugnu8 | Question: So does pbuilder (cowbuilder) support multiarch? |
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| 18:39.50 | mjt | gnugnu8: does it need to? |
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| 18:40.11 | gnugnu8 | yes |
| 18:40.28 | gnugnu8 | mjt: would be a point as it is used for an isolated build environment |
| 18:40.55 | mjt | it is the apt-get who resolves the build-deps, and you just configure sources.list &Co accordingly, so that pbuilder doesn't even _know_ about it. |
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| 18:41.09 | mjt | i think anyway |
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| 18:42.05 | gnugnu8 | mjt: the point is that, even when the fed in dsc package got Architecture: all, pbuilder still generates a package + changes file for amd64 (build host arch). |
| 18:42.31 | mjt | i haven't used pbuilder for ages, stopped well before multiarch, so I don't really know. Sbuild works this way, it just does not care about multiarch. |
| 18:42.36 | mjt | ahh. right |
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| 18:42.46 | mjt | well. dunno. ignore me :) |
| 18:43.28 | gnugnu8 | mjt: what are you using instead of pbuilder? (being curious) |
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| 18:43.51 | mjt | sbuild |
| 18:45.05 | arthurfiggis | i don't think it makes a great deal of difference...i use aptitude just because that's what most of the examples used, apt-get works equally well :) |
| 18:45.21 | arthurfiggis | aptitude has something of a console ui though, if you like those |
| 18:45.48 | gnugnu8 | mjt: any perceivable differences between sbuilder and pbuilder? |
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| 18:47.11 | mjt | gnugnu8: i don't really remember anymore ;) |
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| 18:50.03 | gnugnu8 | :) |
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| 18:51.23 | arthurfiggis | still uses checkinstall, part of slackware has been permanently burned into my brain...probably by the crappy crt i was using :P |
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| 18:55.29 | jaami | please tell me how to do it in debian |
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| 18:56.27 | jaami | i followed same steps on fedora and my mobile was recognized by adb server but on debian i cannot fix this issue |
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| 18:57.57 | n-st | how can i disable at's "warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh"? |
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| 19:02.34 | p3rror | I need to draw some network |
| 19:02.39 | p3rror | for that I used Dia |
| 19:02.50 | p3rror | please how to get something like this http://nefertiti.crdp.ac-lyon.fr/wk/_media/cdch/dmz1.jpg |
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| 19:05.22 | abrotman | p3rror: which part of that? |
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| 19:06.45 | abrotman | p3rror: on the left side, there's a dropdown, there's Network in there |
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| 19:09.16 | p3rror | abrotman, any tool to do diagram network |
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| 19:10.43 | Devastator | p3rror I've just installed dia and it seems to have network icons, so you can create a network diagram |
| 19:11.19 | Devastator | p3rror dia-installer.de if interested |
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| 19:13.29 | gnugnu8 | I just found out that pbuilder (cowbuilder) actually builds correctly for arch 'all', but the *.changes file is confusingly named to build-host arch (e.g. 'amd64'). |
| 19:13.46 | gnugnu8 | But everything is interpreted correctly for arch 'all' (e.g. by mini-dinstall). |
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| 19:17.17 | abrotman | p3dia can do that easily |
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| 19:21.47 | Lope | will the latest linux kernel generally perform significantly better than Kernel 3.2? |
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| 19:23.52 | abrotman | Lope: see backports.debian.org |
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| 19:26.49 | phorce1_home | ok, I can't even figure out how to google this question or what channel it would bestfit in. On my wheezy box I am localizing a web page. I have a BUNCH of urls in the form "http://www.host.tld?q=Ag6U9hGG6rE" with the part after the "=" being roughly 11 random characters (I haven't counted every one). I'. trying to figure out how to bash/sed/awk/whatever search and replace every instance with "./" (including wiping out the random charac |
| 19:27.02 | Lope | on Ubuntu when I wanted to run a newer kernel I just downloaded a newer kernel from here and installed it with dpkg: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ |
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| 19:27.26 | Lope | I thought that the process would be similar for upgrading the kernel on Debian? (since ubuntu is debian based) |
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| 19:28.41 | jhutchins | Lope: Sometimes newer kernels perform less well, or parts of the do. |
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| 19:29.19 | Lope | yeah, but on balance I'd expect lets say kernel 3.14 to perform better than 3.2... ? |
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| 19:29.27 | jhutchins | Lope: Debian usually tries to get a fairly reliable performer into each release, but the kernel is stable and does not regularly update in a normal stable install. That way you can always count on it to work the way it did when it installed. |
| 19:29.33 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:29.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | Lope: that's not always true .. newer kernels can also introduce bugs |
| 19:29.54 | jhutchins | Lope: Newer kernels do get backported, particularly to support new hardware. |
| 19:30.35 | Lope | I'm setting up a box for a specific purpose, it just needs to process data as fast as possible. so I figure it would be better to run a new kernel |
| 19:30.51 | Lope | I've read that various improvements have been made since 3.2 |
| 19:31.31 | Lope | when they say "elementary OS systems" do they mean Debian? http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-kernel-3-14-rc-2-on-ubuntu-linux-mint-and-elementary-os/ |
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| 19:31.46 | jaami | i defined a udev rule , can i somehow test if the rule is ok and implemented? |
| 19:31.52 | trampel | phorce1_home: non-optimum rather vague non-solution: perl -i~ -pe 's|http://www.host.tld?q=\w+|http://www.host.tld?q=./|' filename (probably missed a meta-character in there somewhere, but hey...) |
| 19:32.10 | Lope | oh, lol, elementary OS is yet another distro. |
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| 19:34.53 | val_erie | Brigo, I pasted some log files couple hours ago. You mentioned it is kernel bug. So, I have now kernel 3.12 and continue to have problems. Iceweasel' full screen feature doesn't work and chromium's videos are glittery. Can you please remind me the names of log files I need to paste. Thanks |
| 19:35.42 | Brigo | val_erie, /var/log/kern.log /var/log/Xorg.log |
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| 19:38.20 | jhutchins | Lope: I would look into discussions of the various recent kernels and which ones appear to perform better at the kind of processing you're doing. Kernels don't often have that much effect on processing speed, other things like I/O and memory do. |
| 19:38.28 | jhutchins | kikimeter: What kind of processing are you doing? |
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| 19:38.59 | jhutchins | Lope: What kind of processing are you doing? |
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| 19:39.17 | jhutchins | kiddesr: No idea how I got your nick. Too many different sized keyboards. |
| 19:39.28 | wefky | YES |
| 19:39.33 | phorce1_home | trampel: It seems like there should be a way to look for "STARTS WITH ("http://www.host.tld) CONTINUE TO NEXT (") REPLACE ALL BETWEEN (")(") with (./) essentially ignoring the actual content between the quotes except for the initial bit for identification. |
| 19:39.43 | phorce1_home | sux at regex manipulation |
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| 19:41.42 | phorce1_home | Right now I'm slowly goint through the file with a GUI text editor. Highlight the phrase, type ./ , repeat. But I may have to do more than one file and this way is horrible. |
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| 19:42.42 | jhutchins | phorce1_home: Sounds like a job for sed or vi. |
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| 19:43.26 | trampel | phorce1_home: could you try my command-line perl up there? it makes a backup of the original file with a ~ suffixed in case it doesn't do what you want. (and i surely don't understand where your double quotes come from, it wasn't in your original specification) |
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| 19:43.46 | Lope | jhutchins: Crunching scientific data |
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| 19:45.30 | Lope | where can I download a new kernel for debian? is backports the only place? |
| 19:45.49 | phorce1_home | trampel: My original spec said in the form of "http://www.host.tld?q=Ag6U9hGG6rE" Sorry I didn't clarify that was LITERALLY the form, including the double quotes. Testing your perl now |
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| 19:46.47 | jhutchins | Lope: Sorry, I don't have any information specific to optimizing system performance for "Crunching". |
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| 19:47.33 | amBUTT | is mplayer supposed to be in the sid repository? |
| 19:47.49 | Lope | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64-di |
| 19:47.50 | Lope | Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system. |
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| 19:48.22 | Lope | how do I upgrade my debian kernel? can I just install an Ubuntu kernel? |
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| 19:48.35 | val_erie | Brigo, Xorg.0.log : http://paste.debian.net/84934/ Interesting fact is that if I boot with one monitor only then iceweasel's full screen works, but if I add another screen it doesn't work . |
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| 19:48.50 | amBUTT | it is nvm |
| 19:48.51 | phorce1_home | trampel: the perl did nothing at all to the file. Original and backup are the same |
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| 19:49.06 | val_erie | if I add another monitor |
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| 19:50.23 | jhutchins | Lope: Sure, mixing releases is a great way to learn by reinstalling the whole system. |
| 19:50.36 | jhutchins | Lope: Which specific kernel is better for your taksk? |
| 19:51.02 | phorce1_home | trampel: crap --- it's one of those days. Let me re-run the perl after changing the hos.tld to the ACTUAL text {sigh} brain fart |
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| 19:51.11 | Lope | jhutchins: I have no idea, but 3.2 is very old and 3.14 is very new, so I'd rather just go with very new. |
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| 19:51.41 | jhutchins | Lope: New is NOT ALWYAS FASTER!!! |
| 19:51.59 | Lope | when you say "mixing releases" do you mean the ubuntu kernel is different to the debian kernel? |
| 19:52.06 | jhutchins | Lope: Newer kernels are frequently more complex, and may not have had their processes optimized. |
| 19:52.13 | jhutchins | Lope: Yes, they are different distributions. |
| 19:52.56 | jhutchins | Lope: They have different patches on different versions of the kernel and different compile options. |
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| 19:55.25 | phorce1_home | trampel: OK, still no change. It's not catching any of them |
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| 19:56.53 | jhutchins | Lope: You can install 3.12 from stable backports, but if you want a truely optimized system I would look into what kind of I/O buffereing you need, and what portions of the system you can strip out, and consider compiling a specific kernel that has been reported to perform well with specific options for your target task. |
| 19:56.58 | val_erie | Brigo, I split kern.log in two parts: part1: http://paste.debian.net/84937/ and part2: http://paste.debian.net/84938/ |
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| 19:59.49 | Lope | jhutchins: I'll BRB but thanks for the input. you've helped me to realize kernels aren't really important right now. what's important is getting this project up and running. kernels will make a minor diff. |
| 20:00.10 | trampel | phorce1_home: and i did indeed mess up a meta-character, need to backslash the '?' in my perl, so that (also add a global g to the end): perl -i~ -pe 's|http://www.host.tld\?q=\w+|http://www.host.tld?q=./|g' filename |
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| 20:16.18 | phorce1_home | trampel: Thank you. That got most of them. I actually wanted the whole bit between the quotes replaced so I changed it to: perl -i~ -pe 's|http://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=\w+|./|g' index.html |
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| 20:17.49 | phorce1_home | trampel: turns out some of the "random" bits contain "-" characters so I see a few that were replaced with "./-Wt5R0s" (or whatever came after the dash). Very few of those so I'll clean them up by hand |
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| 20:18.38 | trampel | "get 97.3% by script, the rest by hand" that's what it says on my tombstone |
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| 20:21.09 | phorce1_home | With the GUI editor it's just CTRL-F, /-, highlight, delete, F3, highlight, delete, repeat. (there were only about 6 in this file) |
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| 20:25.45 | el_mose | hey guys, got a quick question |
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| 20:26.42 | el_mose | when I'm trying to download iso, there are 4 parts |
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| 20:27.27 | MrFrood | el_mose: which iso? |
| 20:27.27 | el_mose | as in DVD-1 to 3, which one should I download? |
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| 20:27.27 | MrFrood | 1 |
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| 20:27.37 | el_mose | sorry, either the stable or the testing |
| 20:27.44 | MrFrood | stable |
| 20:27.51 | el_mose | so what's 2 and 3 for? thanks |
| 20:28.25 | ectospasm | just more packages |
| 20:28.36 | MrFrood | el_mose: they contain all the stuff in repositories for installing to machines with no network connection |
| 20:28.39 | ompaul | el_mose: if you have no internet connection you want DVDs if you have very slow internet - maybe, if you have internet, then the netinstall cd is useful |
| 20:28.49 | ompaul | el_mose: best to install connected to the internet |
| 20:28.50 | ectospasm | unless you'll be installing without an Internet connection, you can probably get away with the netinst disc instead |
| 20:28.53 | ompaul | end of :) |
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| 20:29.12 | el_mose | gotcha thanks |
| 20:29.26 | el_mose | also, is the kernel for the stable 3.2? |
| 20:29.35 | el_mose | when I download the iso? |
| 20:29.52 | el_mose | or do I have to update? |
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| 20:30.19 | tengri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.36 | MrFrood | el_mose: stable comes with 3.2 |
| 20:31.46 | ompaul | el_mose: it is a 3.2 one on that - then you can get updates - not upgrades until the next version comes out (but that is a .75 truth wait a while and don't do the windows thing and it will all be easier ... do the windows thing and it will break and you get to keep the pieces ;-)) backsups are your friend |
| 20:32.22 | ompaul | ask before you do something that seems like a good idea but involves editing files for outside stuff to be installed |
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| 20:35.01 | el_mose | ompaul, (1)what do you mean by the windows thing?(2)what do you mean by editing files for outside stuff to be install? |
| 20:35.42 | ompaul | 1) downloading the latest version of something from outside debian - debian patches security fixes to the older software and provides updates |
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| 20:36.00 | ompaul | 2) installing crap that some random website says Do it this way on debian |
| 20:36.12 | ompaul | if it ain't debian branded you risk your boxes stability |
| 20:36.37 | ompaul | so wiki.debian.org is a better bet than some.website.with.no.clue |
| 20:36.53 | ompaul | !handbook |
| 20:36.53 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 20:37.17 | ompaul | so /msg dpkg books |
| 20:37.51 | berceanu_ | hi guys, what are my options for streaming a video file over internet using my debian server? |
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| 20:39.23 | el_mose | wow, thanks. I'll go download it right now. Will get the physical book soon |
| 20:40.18 | SerajewelKS | is there some software in debian that can do "secret sharing" on any random data? that is, take some input and split it up into N pieces such that any M (where 2 <= M <= N) pieces are required to reconstitute the input? |
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| 20:40.52 | el_mose | Right now, I'm trying to put my foot down and to decide on a distro and use everything with it. the book will definitely help! |
| 20:40.52 | trampel | berceanu_: you mean like mplayer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehhitnnB22k ? |
| 20:41.23 | SerajewelKS | i could write something like this (it's a trivial problem to solve) but wondered if there is something that already exists |
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| 20:41.37 | berceanu_ | trampel: no, i mean like, on my laptop y should be able to do mplayer http://my-server |
| 20:41.56 | berceanu_ | trampel: so the question is what i should install on the server for streaming |
| 20:42.15 | el_mose | you know, go as deep as possible. |
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| 20:42.49 | el_mose | ompaul: what made you choose debian? |
| 20:42.54 | ompaul | el_mose: no comment |
| 20:43.24 | SerajewelKS | hmm seems like the "ssss" package may have what iwant |
| 20:43.56 | ompaul | el_mose: you have information, if you choose it great, if not, good luck with that. There is sufficient stuff here to keep you busy for years. Your call. |
| 20:44.56 | el_mose | haha i get it. I'll go download jessie right now. thanks for your help, and MrFrood. |
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| 20:46.15 | el_mose | see you around |
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| 20:48.25 | fritsch | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git;a=commit;h=59e29f9c802d7acf33f1cc4efc181a9707971a52 <- i hope that commit was not sane |
| 20:48.37 | fritsch | i have never seen something like this in 20 years |
| 20:48.54 | trampel | berceanu_: if i've parsed your inquiry correctly (and that's dubious at best) then i think you might consider looking into lighttpd and searching on "video serv(er|ing)" |
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| 20:51.45 | SerajewelKS | is there a tool for building debian live cd images with particular packages available on boot? |
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| 21:01.10 | val_erie | Brigo, how would I know if there is a bug and what to do about it ? |
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| 21:02.33 | Brigo | !tell SerajewelKS about debian live |
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| 21:03.56 | Brigo | val_erie, there is tow ways: wathcing logs and "trial and error". |
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| 21:06.59 | val_erie | Brigo, so my logs do not show any errors now? |
| 21:07.58 | val_erie | and the two ways you described is for me to do? |
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| 21:12.46 | _4dnan_ | Can anyone guide me on how to install packages on a completely isolated from the internet computer ? |
| 21:13.14 | _4dnan_ | I saw apt-zip but how's it exactly ? |
| 21:13.30 | trampel | _4dnan_: dpkg -i package.deb ? |
| 21:13.46 | _4dnan_ | trampel: seems reasonable. |
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| 21:28.57 | robertzaccour | Is it possible to install Unity in Debian? |
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| 21:29.46 | fommil | hi all. I am trying to install debian on a 2013 iMac and the startup says I need nonfree drivers for the b43 ucode29 and make them available on my removable media. which files should I make available? It doesn't give me a URL and I'm concerned that I'll not get everything that I need from the repo. |
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| 21:30.31 | centrx | robertzaccour, Anything's possible... |
| 21:30.35 | fommil | notably, the installer was asking for files, not debian packages. |
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| 21:31.54 | centrx | fommil, The packages are probably firmware-b43-installer and/or b43cutter |
| 21:31.54 | centrx | b43-fwcutter |
| 21:32.17 | fommil | centrx: yeah thanks, and will it be ok to put the .debs in a flat directory? |
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| 21:32.52 | Solak | has a problem with ppc wheezy: after install the system won't boot completely, the system locks with odd graphics on screen after a while during boot on a powerbook g4 12" 867. |
| 21:32.55 | centrx | fommil, What do you mean? |
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| 21:33.06 | musca | also https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
| 21:35.07 | fommil | centrx: I'm grabbing all the files it seems to want and placing them in a USB stick. I mean is it ok if the files are just sitting there, or do I need to recreate the debian resource path structure? |
| 21:35.19 | fommil | musca: thanks, read it a few times, it's quite out of date |
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| 21:35.46 | fommil | musca: it talks about the ndiswrapper but ubuntu users are saying that the files are now available |
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| 21:36.56 | centrx | fommil, deb files can be installed as is |
| 21:36.56 | centrx | fommil, Make sure you also have any dependencies for them. packages.debian.org/<package name> |
| 21:37.09 | centrx | fommil, dpkg -i <file name>.deb |
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| 21:37.57 | Solak | musca: thanks, but it looks like the page is a bit outdated :/ btw: Debian 6 worked fine, thanks to that page... |
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| 21:38.08 | fommil | centrx: yes, I know, ;-) this is part of the installer |
| 21:38.24 | fommil | centrx: it seems to expect certain files to exist on removable media |
| 21:38.55 | aristoteles | hey debian folks, for some reason, files in /var/www/ aren't found when i access the server root of localhost using apache2. files in localhost/~userdir/* are fine. |
| 21:39.16 | aristoteles | looking in /var/www/ i see files, index.html (it works!) for example. why is apache not showing these files? |
| 21:39.19 | aristoteles | what should i check. |
| 21:39.19 | fommil | in particular, files b43/ucode29_mimo.fw b43-open/ucode29_mimo.fw |
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| 21:40.58 | zykotick9 | fommil: do you need wireless during install? if not, these wireless firmware issues are probably easier to deal with after install... |
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| 21:41.37 | fommil | zykotick9: possibly, but it would be nice to have network during install |
| 21:42.50 | centrx | fommil, You can extract files from .deb files. They are just "ar" archives |
| 21:42.56 | fommil | I think it's asking for the firmware from the maker's website |
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| 21:43.32 | fommil | centrx: yes thanks. I know the debian ecosystem quite well, but I'm confused by these particular drivers.... e.g. which deb is it? |
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| 21:44.02 | fommil | centrx: I think the installer is running the fw-cutter and expects the binaries to be made available. |
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| 21:44.21 | fommil | centrx: if you know of a .deb that bundles all the non free firmware, that would be awesome |
| 21:44.25 | aristoteles | any advice on apache2? amy in the wrong channel? |
| 21:44.50 | centrx | aristoteles, You can try #apache / #httpd |
| 21:45.07 | aristoteles | i will try, thanks centrx. |
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| 21:49.42 | eintw1ck | Hi, I'm running a socks proxy on port 9100, is there I way I can run a http proxy which connects to the socks proxy? For example you connect to the http proxy at :8080 and that like a tunnel to :9100 |
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| 21:51.02 | fommil | oh hey, looks like netinst CDs now include non free! wow, I've been away too long :-D |
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| 21:52.26 | Solak | anyone here who has experience installing wheezy on a powerbook g4 or similar system? |
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| 21:55.32 | UserError | the resale value of the g4 powerbooks are still high enough where you should sell it and get something better |
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| 21:56.35 | F1skr | I'm trying to debug why my wake on lan setup isn't working, I have setup wol on my debian server, following this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan . Running ethtool eth0 I see that 'Wake-on' has the value 'g' as it should, so I'm not sure what is wrong.. any ideas how to debug this? |
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| 21:56.51 | UserError | also the lifespan is less and often have more problems than even cheaper netbooks, see the screen and wifi problems that plagued the platform |
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| 22:04.47 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to, given a source package that builds multiple binary packages, build only one of those binary packages? |
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| 22:06.00 | SerajewelKS | i have a package that builds a GUI binary and a headless binary. the former would require some QT libraries installed and i would rather not install them and instead build only the headless binary. |
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| 22:06.28 | UserError | so just use different configs |
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| 22:07.43 | galex-713 | Is it common usage to just pick the mail adress shown in apt-cache show and ask about the package or is there any mailing-list system in Debian for package maintain specific questions (like why can’t I use youtube-dl -U on Debian even under Sid while I can on other distros?)? |
| 22:07.57 | SerajewelKS | well, for example, "debian/rules binary" will build all binary packages. is there something else i can use just to build a particular one, without having to touch files? (trying to automate this) |
| 22:08.14 | centrx | galex-713, No, do not e-mail the package maintainer for technical support. |
| 22:08.52 | eintw1ck | Anyone know if Tor can run as an http proxy |
| 22:08.58 | tremon | SerajewelKS: no, sadly there isn't. The only option you have is to unneeded sections from debian/control |
| 22:09.09 | tremon | *remove* unneeded sections |
| 22:09.14 | centrx | galex-713, Also, stick to packages in the Debian package repository. If you use youtube-dl -U, you may be downloading extra files not maintained by the package manager. |
| 22:09.34 | SerajewelKS | tremon: presumably i can comment it out instead of removing it? |
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| 22:09.39 | tremon | sure |
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| 22:10.22 | SerajewelKS | it looks like it's going to be more complicated than that |
| 22:10.31 | SerajewelKS | because both binaries are still built |
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| 22:11.28 | tremon | hmm, are we talking binaries or binary packages? debian/control only controls which packages are built from this source |
| 22:11.37 | SerajewelKS | well, technically both |
| 22:11.48 | galex-713 | centrx: I need a newer version, actual version in Sid didn’t work |
| 22:12.00 | tremon | if you want to control which files end up in which packages (or not), then editing debian/rules is probably your only way to go |
| 22:12.04 | galex-713 | *for playlists on youtube |
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| 22:13.26 | centrx | galex-713, Why do you think the newer version will work? |
| 22:13.44 | SerajewelKS | tremon: not really control which files end up in which packages, i just don't want to build one particular binary package, nor the specific binary that goes into it (which does not go into the other package, the one i want) |
| 22:14.04 | galex-713 | centrx: I don’t say I think newer version will work, I say last version *works*, I just installed it |
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| 22:14.53 | tremon | SerajewelKS: ok, well in that case debian/control /should/ be what you need. I've no idea why that doesn't work for you |
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| 22:16.14 | SerajewelKS | tremon: it looks like all binaries are indiscriminately built first |
| 22:16.15 | fommil | hi all. looks like I need to use LVM when installing to an iMac because of restrictions as to what OSX can understand. The Guided partitioning fails so I've created an LVM group "debian" with two logical volumes "root" and "home"... but the installer won't let be proceed because it thinks I haven't' created a root fs. What have I forgotten to do? :-/ |
| 22:16.50 | fommil | (btw, placing the firmware debs in a folder called "firmware" on a USB stick didn't allow my wifi to work during install) |
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| 22:17.57 | tremon | fommil: most likely, you have forgotten to actually specify a mount point for your root LV. Check the formatting and mount options for your LV |
| 22:18.35 | zykotick9 | !tell fommil about firmware installer |
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| 22:19.14 | fommil | tremon: I can't see how to specify a mount point for the root LV in the installer... |
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| 22:20.55 | tremon | sorry, I don't have an installer readily available, can't be more specific than that. iirc it's directly below the "use as: <fstype>" menu item |
| 22:22.07 | fommil | tremon: doh! I see the LVM now for selection. |
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| 22:22.17 | fommil | tremon: it showed up in an unexpected place :-) |
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| 22:24.20 | tremon | SerajewelKS: looks like there's some surgery required then. Building packages shouldn't be a high-frequency occurrence, why are you looking to speed it up? |
| 22:24.31 | fommil | actually, maybe you can suggest some thing.... I have an 800GB volume. what is the recommended /, home, swap setup these days? |
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| 22:24.57 | BugBite | fommil You have to create a non-LVM partition for /boot. |
| 22:24.59 | SerajewelKS | tremon: in this case because it's a sid package i'm trying to backport to wheezy, and this package is not compatible with wheezy's QT4 headers |
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| 22:25.10 | fommil | BugBite: this is on OSX, are you sure about that? |
| 22:25.19 | BugBite | yes |
| 22:25.21 | SerajewelKS | tremon: but i don't need the QT frontend at all |
| 22:25.30 | SerajewelKS | tremon: if i did get it to build i would not be using the QT package anyway, in other words |
| 22:25.34 | fommil | BugBite: damn |
| 22:25.43 | BugBite | fommil http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/16/manual-lvm-configuration-guide-for-debian-6/ |
| 22:25.45 | fommil | BugBite: what size is good for that? |
| 22:25.53 | tremon | SerajewelKS: got it. If you need more help, also try asking #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 22:26.52 | tremon | fommil: opinions vary, but usually allocate 12-20GB for /, and up to 2GB for swap. I only use more swap when I need to hibernate |
| 22:26.54 | BugBite | fommil 100mb or 500mb |
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| 22:27.18 | \Tau | i need a graphical editor that permits me put text on images |
| 22:27.22 | \Tau | like paint brush from windows |
| 22:27.26 | \Tau | i dont like gimp. |
| 22:27.47 | SerajewelKS | tremon: it looks like the package just wasn't built very smartly... it builds everything, and then packages each thing up, instead of building only what is needed for each binary package |
| 22:28.41 | fommil | BugBite: what's the consensus on LVM these days... good or bad? Should I go for raw ext4 if possible? |
| 22:29.00 | BugBite | Good |
| 22:29.14 | fommil | BugBite: ok, cool, I'll do /boot and then everything else in LVM |
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| 22:32.08 | fommil | do other OSes, like freebsd, understand LVM? |
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| 22:32.35 | fommil | like if I wanted to have a "unix" LVM group and then share the /home but swap out the / on startup |
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| 22:54.21 | njaard | hi. all of a sudden, I can't mount devices from kde's device notifier |
| 22:54.28 | njaard | I can't mount USB thumb drives specifically |
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| 22:54.39 | njaard | and I can't even figure out what package is supposed to do that |
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| 22:54.47 | njaard | and no logging occurs in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:55.16 | njaard | what is the component that actually mounts things? |
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| 23:10.57 | njaard | "mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb1 on /mnt" |
| 23:11.01 | njaard | I'm a member of plugdev |
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| 23:13.54 | MrGrymReaper | Please is it possible for the Xmltv 0.5.64 to be compiled and/or packaged on Debian? |
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| 23:14.26 | fommil | has anybody here successfully installed debian on an iMac? |
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| 23:14.56 | ZitZ | debian can install on a mac book pro if that's any help |
| 23:15.00 | fommil | I installed debian, but my rEFInd boot manager is failing to kick in, so it starts up OS X every time |
| 23:15.14 | fommil | ZitZ: what boot loader did you use? |
| 23:15.42 | ZitZ | grub |
| 23:15.59 | fommil | ZitZ: no, the start one, the one that kicks in before grub |
| 23:16.38 | ZitZ | it was my friend's and i'm not too well versed in Mac hardware |
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| 23:16.58 | ZitZ | i helped him install it and setup the broadcom wifi |
| 23:17.15 | fommil | ZitZ: did you install the broadcom drivers during install or after? |
| 23:17.22 | ZitZ | after the install |
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| 23:18.00 | ZitZ | he didn't have access to ethernet, so i sneakered all the packages for him. I wouldn't recommend that. |
| 23:19.23 | njaard | ohhh |
| 23:19.25 | njaard | I get it! |
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| 23:21.16 | Athas | Hi, I'm looking for a way to set up my laptop to automatically enable/disable dual-screen when I plug in an external monitor. I know how to do this by hand, but Google is proving surprisingly unhelpful when it comes to looking for automatic approaches. |
| 23:22.38 | njaard | Athas: I don't know the recommended way, but I could guess: find a log file that tells you when you plug in a monitor and scan for that event, then `xrandr --output HDMA1 --auto --output HDMA2 --auto` should do it |
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| 23:22.58 | Athas | njaard: ugh, yes, I was hoping not to have to hack my own scripts. |
| 23:23.05 | Athas | I suppose there's a udev event or something. |
| 23:23.05 | njaard | that's all I know :) |
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| 23:23.42 | njaard | well, you could probably listen to the udev event and do it.. but that would still require hacking your own scripts |
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| 23:26.22 | njaard | how do I get the UUID for a device? |
| 23:26.44 | njaard | letmegooglethatforme -- nevermind :) |
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| 23:27.27 | WormFood | I'm trying to get debootstrap to install a --foreign architecture. It goes though the install process ok. I boot to that system, and try to do the --second-stage, and it always fails, claiming that awk (and libc6) isn't installed, and it's required. I tried to --include those packages, but it does not seem to actually install them. What the hell am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:30.13 | Ganymede | Hi, I'm at the console of a Debian 7.3 box and I know the root password. I need some help logging in. At the login: prompt, I type in "root" or any user name and upon hitting enter, it looks like the getty program is immediately respawned so I'm never prompted for a password. |
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| 23:30.57 | WormFood | Ganymede, try it again, and look real close, and see if you can see a message flash on the screen, before it prompts you again |
| 23:31.25 | WormFood | I have the same exact problem, but I can see it's a problem with PAM...it's quite possible you also have a problem with PAM |
| 23:32.06 | Ganymede | WormFood: True, unfortunately, I'm VPNed in so my remote desktop is much too slow to catch that split-screen message. |
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| 23:32.28 | Ganymede | Maybe I can get to it via configuration management. |
| 23:32.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm having trouble with live-build. i am using --use-fakeroot true, but "lb build" still barfs on "/usr/lib/live/build/bootstrap: 34: /usr/lib/live/build/bootstrap: chroot: not found" |
| 23:32.46 | SerajewelKS | shouldn't it be looking for fakechroot? |
| 23:32.47 | Ganymede | "Configure" it so run scripts since I can't run them on the console. |
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| 23:34.13 | MrGrymReaper | bye |
| 23:34.17 | MrGrymReaper | exit |
| 23:34.18 | njaard | bye |
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| 23:38.48 | SerajewelKS | it seems like --use-fakeroot true should do exactly what i want |
| 23:38.57 | SerajewelKS | i have no idea why it fails to make any difference |
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| 23:44.40 | WormFood | so, how the hell am I supposed to use debootstrap to install debian, if it does not work? |
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| 23:46.30 | ZitZ | what are you installing debian on WormFood? |
| 23:46.59 | WormFood | what do you mean? It's a network boot, and the architecture is powerpc |
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| 23:47.30 | WormFood | so, I'm running debootstrap 1/2 on my x86 server, and trying to run the other 1/2 on the ppc |
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| 23:53.22 | seksifemale | hi |
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| 23:56.42 | __alex | hi, i want to build a package with more than one init script, but i don't understand dh_installinit --name |
| 23:56.46 | __alex | any hint? |
| 23:57.49 | jhutchins | __alex: Why? |
| 23:58.00 | mauww | how can i share a folder in a running kvm? |
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| 23:58.16 | __alex | jhutchins: it's a dirty job but someone has to do it |
| 23:58.45 | __alex | jhutchins: why more than one init or why i don't understand --name? |
