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| 00:00.32 | __alex | jhutchins: a) package contains 3 services, b) not sure how to use that |
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| 00:01.56 | centrx | __alex, Try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 00:02.14 | __alex | http://linux-commands-examples.com/dh_installinit |
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| 00:02.19 | __alex | centrx: thx, found some |
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| 00:02.33 | Roland- | hello, where did rc.local go ? |
| 00:02.50 | centrx | Roland-, /etc/rc.local |
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| 00:10.27 | apostle2 | I got LinuxMintPPC to boot into GUI with the following Line boot: Linux video=DVI-I-1:d video=DVI-I-2:1280x1024:@75 video=TV-1:d |
| 00:11.17 | jhutchins | !mint |
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| 00:12.48 | dvs | dpkg: wake up |
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| 00:13.29 | dvs | fine then |
| 00:13.45 | apostle2 | Does anybody know where I should communicate this issue with Power Mac G5 Debian wheezy with this Nvidia card? |
| 00:14.01 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: dpkg appears to have done a dirt nap. |
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| 00:17.45 | abrotman | apostle2: But you're not using Debian. This is the wrong channel for you |
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| 00:22.12 | dvs | !wb |
| 00:22.13 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 00:22.16 | dvs | yay |
| 00:23.16 | dvs | !mint |
| 00:23.16 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 00:36.00 | BugBite | !wb |
| 00:36.00 | dpkg | thanks, bugbite. It's good to be back. |
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| 01:01.55 | queso | How can I find a the package that would provide a file (bidi.sty) when none of my currently installed packages have the file? |
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| 01:02.51 | dvs | ,find bidi.sty |
| 01:02.57 | judd | Search for bidi.sty in wheezy/i386: texlive-lang-arabic: usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bidi/bidi.sty |
| 01:03.02 | dvs | boom |
| 01:03.14 | queso | dvs: Thank you. :) |
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| 01:05.28 | apostle2 | abrotman, I think it is related |
| 01:05.52 | apostle2 | my original problem was with debian wheezy on Pro Mac G5 with Nvidia Card |
| 01:06.12 | apostle2 | I will re install and try that line in yaboot to see if I can get Debian to boot |
| 01:08.14 | queso | dvs: Works, great, thanks again! |
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| 01:08.55 | dvs | no prob |
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| 01:14.58 | crn | dvs, use apt-file. Install it with apt-get install apt-file. |
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| 01:20.29 | dvs | ??? |
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| 01:26.10 | LtL | dvs: a case of mistaken identity :) |
| 01:26.34 | dvs | I guess so |
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| 01:32.24 | crn | dvs, LtL , yep, my error. |
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| 01:40.50 | dvs | again? |
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| 01:48.50 | dvs | !wb again |
| 01:48.50 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! again has returned! |
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| 01:58.41 | civillian | perhaps dpkg is getting hit with solar flares... |
| 01:59.11 | civillian | just found !* usage |
| 01:59.16 | civillian | ll /etc/passwd |
| 01:59.20 | civillian | vi !* |
| 01:59.24 | civillian | will open /etc/passwd with vi |
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| 02:09.45 | acu | I want to run btrfs with wheezy backport kernel 12.1 - I wonder whether I should first install Wheezy with btrfs (with 3.02 kernel) then upgrade the kernel, or I should install wheezy with ext4 or xfs - upgrade the kernel then convert ext4to btrfs ? |
| 02:10.06 | acu | Or is there an option right during install to install backports kernel ? |
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| 02:12.47 | dvs | acu: Almost sounds like you want the testing installer. |
| 02:13.21 | dvs | !ops juuuu is spamming |
| 02:13.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: dvs complains about: juuuu is spamming |
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| 02:51.12 | m__ | Is there a .deb for wine 1.6 or 1.7 for wheezy? |
| 02:51.28 | dvs | ,v wine |
| 02:51.30 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-7; sid: 1.6.2-7 |
| 02:51.40 | dvs | nope |
| 02:53.21 | m__ | It seems the only option is to compile from source |
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| 03:10.58 | Ganymede | Suppose I have kicked myself out of a box by breaking PAM configuration---getty doesn't even give me a "Password:" prompt. Knowing the root password, is there a way to get into this box while keeping it running? |
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| 03:13.30 | centrx | Ganymede, ssh? |
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| 03:13.50 | dvs | centrx: No, you be quiet! :-) |
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| 03:13.59 | centrx | !ops juuuu is spamming |
| 03:14.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: centrx complains about: juuuu is spamming |
| 03:14.08 | dvs | ou too? |
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| 03:17.12 | Ganymede | centrx: Well given that PAM is broken, I can't SSH in as root and root's the only actual user on the box. |
| 03:17.42 | Ganymede | Which PAM config is broken must be common to both text console and SSH. |
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| 03:18.25 | nightfly | Sounds pretty hosed |
| 03:18.39 | centrx | Ganymede, I am no expert on it, but I would say you have to boot into it |
| 03:18.58 | Ganymede | I do have a way to run scripts on it by pushing them out via config management...but that's messy and is subject to code review. |
| 03:19.12 | centrx | Ganymede, single-user mode or external drive |
| 03:19.24 | centrx | Ganymede, In that case, you could create the perfect script... |
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| 03:19.39 | Ganymede | That's probably an abuse of config management. |
| 03:19.54 | nightfly | Are you configuring pam in your configuration management system already? |
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| 03:20.36 | Ganymede | Fixing it via config management is fair game but pushing out config that phones home as a way to troubleshoot is probably sloppy. PAM is already controlled by config management but these boxes are behaving differently from the rest. |
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| 03:26.47 | SerajewelKS | i just build a debian live CD using live-build, and when i boot the resulting ISO there is no "live" user at all. i'm not sure what misstep could have caused this? |
| 03:27.08 | SerajewelKS | !ops juuuu PM spam |
| 03:27.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: serajewelks complains about: juuuu PM spam |
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| 03:30.55 | abrotman | hi ? |
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| 03:31.43 | dvs | yay |
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| 03:40.25 | giorgiomorto | Hello everyone, I'm on Debian Jessie AMD64 and I have added i386 to dpkg as an architecture and succesfully installed libc6-i386 from apt, but trying to install wine32 I get this error message. wine32:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.3.6-6~) but it is not going to be installed. Anybody knows why? |
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| 03:40.49 | dvs | ,v libc6 |
| 03:40.50 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.18-4 |
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| 03:55.00 | apostle3 | abrotman, I am using Debian, I am re installing Debian Wheezy on Power Mac G5 with GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, screen is going black when booting. |
| 03:55.41 | abrotman | blinks ? |
| 03:55.47 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 03:55.48 | dvs | !mint |
| 03:55.48 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:55.53 | abrotman | well then .. |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | mint or Debian? |
| 03:56.07 | mauww | apostle3: check Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:56.51 | apostle3 | abrotman, Debian Wheezy |
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| 03:58.45 | abrotman | wonders why dvs triggered that |
| 03:59.19 | dvs | <apostle2> I got LinuxMintPPC to boot into GUI with the following Line boot: Linux video=DVI-I-1:d video=DVI-I-2:1280x1024:@75 video=TV-1:d |
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| 04:03.19 | abrotman | so it's not Debian that apostle3 is using ? |
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| 04:11.18 | apostle3 | abrotman, I am using Debian Wheezy |
| 04:12.05 | apostle3 | abrotman, I installed LinuxMintPPC to see if it had the same issue, it did |
| 04:12.21 | emss | apostle3 did you see this: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModeSetting/ |
| 04:12.45 | emss | apostle3 the issue is with nouveau |
| 04:14.10 | aaronw | I'm having no luck getting wireless (Intel 7260AC) and video (Intel Integrated 4th Gen) working on my new Haswell Thinkpad. Anyone been through this? (I'm on Jessie) |
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| 04:19.02 | socomm | They still make thinkpads? |
| 04:19.16 | socomm | I thougth SONY stopped making those in 2008 |
| 04:19.22 | dvs | ??? |
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| 04:19.31 | Devastator | sony never made thinkpads |
| 04:19.33 | dvs | ThinkPads are made by Lenovo! |
| 04:19.48 | abrotman | or IBM depending on the age |
| 04:19.52 | aaronw | :) |
| 04:19.56 | dvs | IB who? |
| 04:19.58 | socomm | oh shi-, now i feel silly |
| 04:20.11 | dvs | !lart socomm |
| 04:20.12 | dpkg | frags socomm with his BFG9000 |
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| 04:21.50 | aaronw | I'm afraid I might have gotten ahead of myself (or of Debian compatibility) buying this laptop. A lot of people experiencing similar issues under wheezy seem to have fixed them by moving to jessie, but no such luck here. |
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| 04:22.49 | abrotman | are you fully on jessie? |
| 04:23.38 | socomm | aaronw: buy a different laptop? |
| 04:23.46 | abrotman | socomm: great help, thanks |
| 04:23.59 | aaronw | abrotman: i think so. i changed all of my sources, updated, and upgraded |
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| 04:24.21 | abrotman | aaronw: ensure your dist-upgrade is fully done please |
| 04:24.39 | abrotman | aaronw: at least for wifi, you will definitely need the newer kernel and firmware |
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| 04:25.42 | aaronw | abrotman: oh my god, i'm an idiot. |
| 04:25.53 | aaronw | I upgraded but did not dist-upgrade |
| 04:25.56 | aaronw | thank you |
| 04:26.39 | socomm | lol |
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| 04:27.56 | aaronw | is bad at computer |
| 04:28.39 | centrx | com...put...er? |
| 04:29.40 | shingouz | centrx: like an airconditioner: when you open the first window, it stops working |
| 04:30.14 | aaronw | especially if it's the window the air conditioner is installed in. |
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| 05:22.54 | mdim | maybe this is not the best channel, but what CLI tool can I use to send a POST request (with content from an xml file) to a web server? |
| 05:23.46 | themill | mdim: curl is probably simplest |
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| 05:24.20 | mdim | themill: yeah, I've been trying with that, but all that gets through is up to the message body, but not the body |
| 05:24.31 | mdim | i.e. not the xml file content |
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| 05:30.43 | jaami | what is wrong with copy process on debian, any android.apk i copy onto android mobile has same parsing error? |
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| 05:33.11 | jaami | paste option from menu is disabled too when i use file manager so i use terminal to copy but get parsing error on mobile when run .apk file on mobile. |
| 05:33.35 | jaami | anybody there to solve this issue ? |
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| 05:34.38 | centrx | Why do you think this has anything to do with copying? |
| 05:34.49 | centrx | How can anyone help you if you don't show what the error is? |
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| 05:36.33 | mdim | jaami: if you're trying to install an Android app on a phone, you have to use the adb tool |
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| 06:02.04 | Datz | Hi, I need to dist upgrade from 6.0 to 7.0. Is there anything I should know, or read beforehand? |
| 06:02.16 | Datz | Can I basically follow this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-linux-upgrade-6-squeeze-to-7-wheezy/ |
| 06:02.53 | centrx | Sure |
| 06:02.58 | themill | Datz: you should read the release notes and follow that procedure |
| 06:03.11 | Datz | ok, great. Thanks :) |
| 06:04.34 | jaami | mdim: any apki copy onto mobile and try yo install i get same parsing error. i cannot use adb to install onto mobile because adb does not recognise my mobile. that is other issue with drivers |
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| 06:05.03 | jaami | try to** |
| 06:06.15 | jaami | i was using same copy way to install onto mobile. but recently i used eclipse on debian to generate apk from project and i guess that makes the problem. |
| 06:06.53 | jaami | also when i try to copy from file manager of debian i see that right click paste option is always disabled |
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| 06:07.10 | jaami | this sound like debian issue |
| 06:08.00 | jaami | also i recovered gnome few days ago that may also be part or reason behind the parsing issue |
| 06:08.45 | jaami | copy onto mobile and then install is the only way i can test my project on mobile |
| 06:09.02 | jaami | that is why i have to fix that parsing problem |
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| 06:11.18 | jaami | mdim, if i have to use the adb install then for that first i will have get my mobile recognized |
| 06:11.30 | jaami | have to *** |
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| 06:12.24 | jaami | i was able to fix this issue of adb devices on fedora but even after following same steps on debian adb does not see my mobile |
| 06:13.35 | jaami | more over that debian channel is almost dead for me these days. asked same question many times but still not fixed |
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| 06:18.09 | jaami | i think abrotman can solve this issue but i guess he is angry |
| 06:18.57 | potatoceleron | and you haven't had any luck asking this in an android-related channel either? |
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| 06:19.44 | jaami | i did but really no luck, nobody trying to help |
| 06:19.59 | jaami | this problem can be solved i know |
| 06:20.29 | themill | real commands and output in a pastebin are going to be more successful |
| 06:21.19 | themill | (and I've never seen adb say things like "not recognised" or "do not see mobile" -- being precise here will help) |
| 06:21.33 | jaami | any apk i copy from debian to my mobile has same parsing error. "There is aproblem parsing the error" |
| 06:21.59 | jaami | adb devices command does not show my mobile |
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| 06:22.46 | jaami | i added vendor id product id in rules.d folder in a fle, let me paste the whole story and give you link |
| 06:22.56 | jaami | file** |
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| 06:25.15 | jaami | themill: please see this link , i followed those steps the way i did in fedora but fedora and debian can different in many ways i dont know .. here is the link http://paste.debian.net/85018/ |
| 06:26.03 | jaami | themill: can you help to fix that issue |
| 06:26.05 | themill | that doesn't say what *you* did. |
| 06:26.27 | jaami | i did all that i wrote in the paste |
| 06:26.52 | jaami | hmm, im sorry i could not get what you mean |
| 06:27.25 | themill | Those are general instructions: "you should do something like ___" where you are required to fill in details. What did you actually do? |
| 06:27.29 | Blue1 | @jaami: this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/mount-usb-micro-sd-card-linux-automount/ |
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| 06:29.55 | aaronw | After upgrading to Jessie, gdm3 goes straight to the "Oh no!" screen. When I select "Log out", it displays a blank screen. I can't even switch to a different console. Any idea how i can fix gdm? |
| 06:30.21 | Blue1 | prolly Xorg.conf |
| 06:31.05 | jaami | themill: file i created at /etc/udev/rules.d is this 50-android-persistent-local.rules |
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| 06:31.51 | jaami | the only line in the file is this SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="5d01", ATTR{idProduct}=="1782", MODE="0660", GROUP="plugdev" |
| 06:32.03 | Blue1 | aaronw: you might look at step 3 here: http://pkill-9.com/install-nvidia-video-driver-debian/ |
| 06:32.24 | Blue1 | this is the conf file I used -- this is for an nvidia card -- but you can leave that out |
| 06:32.46 | themill | jaami: are they the right vid and pid for your device? |
| 06:33.15 | jaami | let me pase that again |
| 06:33.39 | aaronw | Thanks, Blue1. |
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| 06:34.54 | Blue1 | aaronw: dunno if that will work -- but worth a try - the nouveau drivers sometimes need this - sometimes don't -- be sure to backup the existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf first |
| 06:35.19 | jaami | themill: please see this http://paste.debian.net/85019/ it is output of this command in terminal udevadm info --name=/dev/sdb --attribute-walk |
| 06:35.29 | aaronw | Blue1: ok. My graphics card is an integrated intel card -- I take it I just want to find the appropriate settings for that? |
| 06:36.21 | Blue1 | aaronw: yeah but take out the nvidia deal here and this is pretty minimal |
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| 06:36.55 | aaronw | Oh, just remove that whole device section? |
| 06:36.57 | Blue1 | aaronw: might check to see what xorg.conf is set at right now, and if needed either rename it, or modify it. |
| 06:37.10 | jaami | themill: here is lsusb output that match the same with udevadm http://paste.debian.net/85020/ |
| 06:37.27 | Blue1 | aaronw: you can rename it w/o harm and then restart the gdm |
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| 06:37.55 | themill | jaami: that's a different product id |
| 06:37.59 | jaami | themill: you the line that is importan in lusub output is this Bus 001 Device 023: ID 1782:5d00 Spreadtrum Communications Inc. |
| 06:38.19 | themill | jaami: 5d01 ≠ 5d00 |
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| 06:38.43 | jaami | themill: actually i thought may be chaging prodict id with vendor id may fix issue but i tested both ways |
| 06:38.59 | jaami | hnn??? what i made that mistake ?? |
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| 06:40.26 | jaami | themill: where did you see the 5d00 ? in the rules file its ATTRS{idVendor}=="1782" |
| 06:40.26 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.07 | themill | jaami: and look at your lsusb output |
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| 06:41.13 | jaami | oh ok |
| 06:41.33 | themill | that's why I wanted to see *your* output not "I did the same as this thing on the web: |
| 06:41.35 | themill | " |
| 06:41.54 | jaami | themill: ohh, i cant belive my eyes. it was 5d01 |
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| 06:42.14 | Blue1 | jaami: been there, done that! |
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| 06:42.54 | themill | Explaining what you're doing to someone else often helps. Or the coffee machine or a stuffed toy. |
| 06:43.25 | jaami | themill: i am using the same mobile from 2013 and this is first time is see that different 5d00 |
| 06:43.28 | potatoceleron | especially if you read the stuffed toy your lsusb output |
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| 06:44.17 | jaami | themill: do you think i can make that mistake? |
| 06:44.31 | jaami | really the number chaged today |
| 06:44.36 | jaami | changed** |
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| 06:45.10 | jaami | hmm, really strange thing |
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| 06:46.49 | jaami | damn, i cany believe that but anyway i must try with the new number in the rule. i will get back to you for more help if problem stay there for methemill |
| 06:46.59 | jaami | me ** |
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| 06:47.40 | jaami | sorry about my typing mistakes, i dont know why my fingers using their own brains |
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| 06:57.44 | aaronw | Blue1: after replacing gdm3 with lightdm and starting xfce instead of gnome, i can at least get a desktop |
| 06:57.57 | aaronw | but attempts to start gnome result in the "Oh no" face of death |
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| 06:58.51 | santiagoR | aaronw how's that |
| 06:59.05 | aaronw | santiagoR: which part? |
| 06:59.20 | santiagoR | aaronw> but attempts to start gnome result in the "Oh no" face of death |
| 06:59.37 | santiagoR | xfce is a good choice indeed |
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| 06:59.53 | aaronw | Sure, but I'd like to know what's breaking gnome |
| 07:00.26 | santiagoR | what's the Oh no face ? |
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| 07:01.05 | aaronw | http://gallinazo.flightgear.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/oh-no.jpg |
| 07:01.11 | aaronw | It's what gnome does when everything is wrong |
| 07:01.43 | santiagoR | did you looked at some log/s? |
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| 07:02.06 | aaronw | santiagoR: TBH, I'm not sure which ones to look at |
| 07:02.44 | santiagoR | uname -a |
| 07:03.04 | jaami | themill: i found reason why ATTRS{idProduct}=="5d01" chnaged to ATTRS{idProduct}=="5d00" |
| 07:03.47 | santiagoR | /var/log/gdm3 |
| 07:03.49 | santiagoR | maybe |
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| 07:03.57 | santiagoR | or something like that |
| 07:04.34 | jaami | themill: that product id change when phone is in debug mode the product id is ATTRS{idProduct}=="5d01" and when phone is not in debug mode then the product id is ATTRS{idProduct}=="5d00" |
| 07:04.53 | santiagoR | aaronw look at this : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=730224 |
| 07:05.11 | santiagoR | it may help you |
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| 07:05.42 | jaami | themill: lsusb shows the same chage when i change from debugging to storage , lsusb will show different output in both cases |
| 07:06.47 | aaronw | thanks, santiagoR. i'll take a look |
| 07:06.57 | santiagoR | np |
| 07:06.59 | jaami | themill: why is that product id changing, and should i use both or just 5d01 in the rule file? |
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| 07:08.47 | jaami | themill: please help me and make rule line for me that i will save in the 50-android-persistent-local.rules |
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| 07:15.08 | themill | jaami: you can just make two separate rules -- one per line. |
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| 07:38.58 | nkn__ | I am trying to package a project. It has build-depends on cmake. Cmake is installed in /usr/local (manually compiled and installed). For some reason, it is failing with dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cmake. How do I configure it so that it knows cmake is available at /usr/local ? |
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| 07:57.12 | potatoceleron | you'd rather have a deb package than just host a tar.gz somewhere? |
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| 07:59.15 | jelly-home | nkn__: you'll have to convince the packaging system cmake is available. Read /msg dpkg equivs |
| 07:59.42 | jelly-home | or install the packaged one instead |
| 07:59.49 | potatoceleron | nothing against deb packages, i love them. i read the instructions on how to make one, and i definitely don't want to do all that |
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| 08:02.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tdn about nmg |
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| 08:39.58 | jaami | themill: some possible ways to define rules were added but none of them worked by chance http://paste.debian.net/85024/ |
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| 09:10.46 | pi___ | hi |
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| 09:12.08 | ftpmget | hello everyone...1 question: I would need a program that can be run in bash in order to retrieve mail headers from specified mail account. No mail sending etc. is required. Only functionality to read mail headers, and if possible to select/delete specific mail(s). Thanks |
| 09:12.22 | ftpmget | any suggestion? |
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| 09:14.02 | pi___ | ftpmget: there is program mail, but.... |
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| 09:14.31 | fritsch | ftpmget: use mutt |
| 09:14.35 | matlads | ftpmget: maybe fetchmail? |
| 09:14.35 | fritsch | ftpmget: or pine |
| 09:14.55 | pi___ | yes mutt is better |
| 09:15.44 | halothe23 | Hello, |
| 09:16.12 | halothe23 | Any suggestions for a single line command that would spit out a list of IP's and their bandwidth usage? (Mbps/MB/s) |
| 09:16.23 | ftpmget | pi___, fritsch, matlads: thanks for the answer...i will look into proposed programs. Thanks |
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| 09:18.33 | halothe23 | (Running on debian of course, and interfaces have multiple IP's) |
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| 09:19.31 | pi___ | halothe23: one help, if you do somethink with output >>, it means, that list of any prog goes to add of output.txt |
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| 09:19.58 | pi___ | for example ..... dmesg >> output.txt |
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| 09:21.02 | halothe23 | Mhm. |
| 09:21.08 | pi___ | if you use only > , then it will be delete and giving new output |
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| 09:21.33 | pi___ | like renaming |
| 09:22.04 | halothe23 | Alright... interesting. |
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| 09:24.00 | petern_ | > will replace, >> will append |
| 09:24.08 | pi___ | yes |
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| 09:24.27 | halothe23 | But how exactly does that help me with my issue? o.O |
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| 09:24.56 | halothe23 | I just needed to know if there is a command that will basically spit out "1.2.3.4 uses 12MB/s" |
| 09:25.09 | halothe23 | Or something similar. |
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| 09:27.57 | pi___ | halothe23: what do you need exactly? |
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| 09:29.26 | halothe23 | A command that would output a list of IP's across all the interfaces (interfaces have more then one IP as well) and their current bandwidth input output values, such as Mbps or MB/s :) pi___ |
| 09:29.45 | cast | halothe23: there are various tools...seen iftop? |
| 09:30.04 | pi___ | halothe23: some IP scanner? |
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| 09:30.32 | halothe23 | Yes cast however that command or shell script is needed to be triggered by programs and not by an interactive CLI user. |
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| 09:33.18 | pi___ | halothe23: by the way, this informations are on the router or switch |
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| 09:33.52 | pi___ | halothe23: and, there are routers programs |
| 09:33.54 | anonnumberanon | http://paste.debian.net/85028/ |
| 09:34.02 | pi___ | :-) |
| 09:34.04 | anonnumberanon | wat's the question mark and ":" in this snippet? |
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| 09:36.26 | anonnumberanon | got it |
| 09:36.45 | xelan | hey guys. I have a computer with a 500GB HDD of which 50GB are in use and I have a computer with a 120GB SSD. Is it possible to make an EXACT copy of the first computer just with a smaller home partition? |
| 09:36.59 | cast | anonnumberanon: conditional assignment, and not a question for #debian...:( |
| 09:37.24 | anonnumberanon | ternary operator? |
| 09:37.29 | cast | xelan: it obviously won't be exact, but you could yeah... |
| 09:37.37 | halothe23 | True pi___ , I'll check on that. |
| 09:37.38 | pi___ | xelan: all data can be exactly copied |
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| 09:37.58 | pi___ | xelan: for example by using dd |
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| 09:38.51 | cast | there's a good chance you'll have to make changes to the filesystem and partition table, and possibly volume management |
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| 09:39.36 | xelan | how shall I use dd if the destination is smaller than the source? I guess dd if=HDD of=SSD will not work? |
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| 09:39.55 | cast | that would be a poor idea, without further information |
| 09:40.01 | cast | what is the setup on the 500GB HDD |
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| 09:40.49 | xelan | it's an default 64 bit Debian Wheezy installation with root and home partition |
| 09:41.04 | cast | can you pastebin `lsblk` output |
| 09:41.06 | pi___ | xelan: if dest is smaller, then it cant be possible |
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| 09:41.25 | pi___ | xelan: but 50G is smaller then 150G |
| 09:42.06 | cast | pi___: we do not know if that means a 50G partition, or 50G used of a 500G filesystem/partition |
| 09:42.18 | xelan | http://pastie.org/8832067 |
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| 09:43.19 | pi___ | cast: important is, how many space data taken |
| 09:43.44 | pi___ | cast: how big partition is, that is not important |
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| 09:43.51 | cast | xelan: you have a few options |
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| 09:44.42 | cast | xelan: more dangerous...boot off a livecd, shrink swap_1 and root, then sda5 |
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| 09:46.04 | cast | xelan: safer option, create new, correctly sized structure on smaller disk and copy OS+data over [gtar -c | gtar -x ] |
| 09:46.12 | oskie | hello, what network is #debian-next on? |
| 09:46.32 | cast | the latter will need you to do some bootloader action to make the result bootable |
| 09:46.43 | jhutchins | oskie: oftc.net |
| 09:46.56 | oskie | jhutchins: thanks |
| 09:47.07 | jhutchins | oskie: (which may also be irc.debian.net) |
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| 09:47.27 | pi___ | practicaly, its about good mount new disk, and good use of cp |
| 09:48.09 | pi___ | godd backup |
| 09:48.13 | pi___ | good |
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| 09:49.17 | xelan | the problem is that this computer is one out of 24. That could be annoying when they are not exact copies of each other |
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| 09:50.18 | pi___ | xelan: one day out? |
| 09:50.33 | xelan | So I think the "shrink and copy" method is still the safest. When I shrink it enough I can even use clonezilla I guess? |
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| 09:51.04 | cast | well, the srhink and copy isn't the safest because if the shrink goes wrong on you, you've just ruined your original |
| 09:51.20 | cast | that said, so you have 24 computers |
| 09:51.22 | xelan | cast, I got 22 more copies |
| 09:51.25 | xelan | :-) |
| 09:51.38 | cast | i'd be tempted to reprovision them all |
| 09:51.49 | pi___ | xelan: its some cluster? |
| 09:52.15 | cast | that said...my machines tend to be redeployable via puppet or salt ;) |
| 09:52.44 | xelan | pi___, it's clients in a computer room at university for the students |
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| 09:53.16 | pi___ | xelan: what do you exactly need again? |
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| 09:53.53 | cast | would possibly take it as a oppotunity to reinstall and use a fully configuration managed solution, in whatever fashion that would be |
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| 09:55.20 | cast | you have various options for trickiness, for example you could install the second drive, move the logical volumes over while the machines are running, copy /boot, make sure the bootloader is setup right, and reboot with only seconds-minutes of downtime |
| 09:55.24 | xelan | pi___, all 24 computers are 100% copies. Number 04 had a broken HDD so I swapped it with a SSD. Now I want to make 04 again like all the others. So what cast said: shrinking and coping seems to be the best solution for me |
| 09:55.46 | xelan | (well almost 100%...except of some network stuff) |
| 09:55.51 | cast | oh scratch that...unless you're using vxfs or another filesystem that can shrink online, you'll need a long outage :( |
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| 09:56.19 | xelan | cast, actually the admin deployed salt not so long ago |
| 09:56.20 | pi___ | xelan: yes, if computers are exactly same, then, there is no problem |
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| 09:56.57 | cast | xelan: if he used salt, and say fai, for everything, a reinstall may be feasible and easy |
| 09:57.33 | OpenTokix | xelan: Do they use LVM? |
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| 09:57.44 | cast | i recently merged /var and / into a single filesystem on 8 hosts via a salt initiated reboot then netboot :) |
| 09:58.02 | xelan | OpenTokix, yes, they do |
| 09:58.40 | xelan | cast, so what do you think is "better"? Annoying the admin to finally give me access to salt or shrink + clonezilla? |
| 09:58.43 | OpenTokix | xelan: Then you can partition the SSD as /boot + pv, add it to the exisiting VG, and then move out the old HD from that VG (you migght have to manually change some of the larget lvs) |
| 09:59.18 | OpenTokix | xelan: to in effect migrate off the mechanical hd to the ssd |
| 09:59.44 | cast | xelan: i think talking to the admin is best, work out how the lab is setup. they may well have planned for frequent reinstalls and that infrastructure may be ready to go, or they might not have. |
| 10:00.26 | OpenTokix | xelan: But for future reference - PXE + some configuration managment is probably best option |
| 10:00.26 | cast | OpenTokix: the complication there is he has to do a shrink of / |
| 10:00.43 | OpenTokix | how much smaller is the SSD? |
| 10:00.50 | cast | OpenTokix: 1/4th the size |
| 10:00.53 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 10:01.30 | OpenTokix | I guess I would have to see the layout and setup in detail, to come up with a solution really |
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| 10:01.53 | cast | OpenTokix: http://pastie.org/8832067 moving that to a 120GB SSD |
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| 10:03.06 | Pupeno_ | Is there a way to construct a glob that matches all files except one? |
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| 10:03.19 | cast | Pupeno_: sure is, check out extglob |
| 10:03.30 | cast | Pupeno_: [assuming you use bash] |
| 10:03.47 | Pupeno_ | cast: this is actually for logrotate's config, so, not sure :\ |
| 10:03.56 | OpenTokix | cast: hmm, I guess you have to rsync then =( |
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| 10:04.55 | OpenTokix | cast: Or just resintall with a preseed =) - probably a lot faster - I assume you dont need to retain any data? |
| 10:04.56 | xelan | OpenTokix, I found this to rsync on the internet: "rsync won't copy the blocks correctly nor the boot sector, If he wants to use this as the new bootable drive, use dd rescue" |
| 10:05.03 | cast | halothe23: hmm @ ptraf -i all -t 1 -B -L /var/tmp/iptraf |
| 10:05.13 | cast | halothe23: ahh, lost the first char, thats iptraf |
| 10:05.21 | OpenTokix | xelan: yeah, but the boot sector and such he have to recreate anyway |
| 10:05.30 | OpenTokix | xelan: since dd isnt an option here |
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| 10:06.57 | halothe23 | cast: Interesting. |
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| 10:07.08 | Pupeno_ | cast: seems to work. Thanks. |
| 10:07.09 | xelan | OpenTokix, why not just as cast suggested? Shrinking and copying. Sounds easy to me |
| 10:07.26 | OpenTokix | xelan: yes, if he can boot a livecd on all machines and shrink, sure |
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| 10:07.41 | OpenTokix | But im thinking some automatic solution is perferable? |
| 10:07.52 | cast | 24 times though...not so cool. |
| 10:08.11 | xelan | hmmm is it really that important that the partitions are the same size on all computers? |
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| 10:08.32 | xelan | there is nothing stored but the os |
| 10:08.57 | cast | it is not, however it is important that the partition and filesystem sizes make sense given the underlying disk |
| 10:09.29 | OpenTokix | now I am wondering if there is some autobooting livecd with scripting tools |
| 10:09.35 | OpenTokix | So you can boot - do your changes and shutdown |
| 10:09.37 | OpenTokix | boom! |
| 10:09.55 | cast | on a side note, SSD! we may have alignment concerns to consider |
| 10:11.22 | xelan | You'll be laughing. I told the admin I want to buy the same HDDs again and he said "just buy the SSDs. We live in 2014" -.- |
| 10:11.48 | OpenTokix | xelan: that is a sensible thing to say |
| 10:11.52 | cast | i *think* the LVM tools of recent times attempt to do the right thing[tm] and align things reasonably, but if we're dding and such around |
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| 10:12.00 | OpenTokix | xelan: why isnt the admin doing this? |
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| 10:12.11 | pi___ | yes, its for laughing |
| 10:12.40 | xelan | OpenTokix, because I would like to know how such things work. Like that I can do them myself in the future |
| 10:12.52 | OpenTokix | xelan: fair enough |
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| 10:14.49 | xelan | I think I'll just work with the help your were providing me and see if it works |
| 10:15.19 | xelan | trial & error...I can't really break anything :-) |
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| 10:16.08 | OpenTokix | xelan: Its not complicated, just a lot of manual work if you are doing ot on 20+ computers |
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| 10:16.57 | xelan | I'll find a way. I won't do that....again ^^ |
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| 10:27.33 | Lope | after setting my ip in /etc/network/interfaces how can I make debian update the IP without rebooting? |
| 10:27.36 | jurrehart | hi all, I'm looking for a suggestion for centrally managing configuration of about 30 debian boxes, something that's easy and fast to learn |
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| 10:29.32 | Brigo | Lope, if you are using dhclient interface, dhclient eth0 or dhclient wlan0 for example. |
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| 10:34.06 | Iridos | judd, versions gnome-common |
| 10:34.08 | judd | Package: gnome-common on i386 -- squeeze: 2.28.0-1; wheezy: 3.4.0.1-1; jessie: 3.10.0-1; sid: 3.10.0-1 |
| 10:34.39 | Iridos | viscera, isn't 3.4.0.1-1 > 3.4 ? |
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| 10:35.04 | viscera | Iridos, don't get technical ;) |
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| 10:38.12 | Iridos | viscera, which one specifically? can really a simple theme be so version dependent? it's just a bunch of images for gawds shake |
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| 10:39.34 | viscera | Iridos, i'm too lazy to find out :) |
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| 10:39.58 | viscera | Iridos, it's a distraction anyway, i have real work to do. |
| 10:40.10 | viscera | what's the word...? procrastination. |
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| 10:49.43 | Lope | I've changed my IP to static as in this example: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and then tried to make the system update to the new IPs by running etc/init.d/networking restart ... i got a message saying "running ... is deprecated because it may not r[warnble some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 10:50.15 | Lope | Reconfiguring network interfaces RTNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 10:50.49 | Syntaxerror | Hi! can someone explain components of APT to me real quick? (main, contrib, non-free, etc...) What's what, why should I use more than main and so on? |
| 10:50.52 | Lope | if I try dhclient eth0 I get RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 10:52.03 | Lope | syntax: either just use main and if you need stuff that's not in the archives you can add more. or just add them all. I just add them all. |
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| 10:54.56 | fenixsan | Sorry if this is a simple question I'm a new to linux windows convert. When I chmod +x a .py file and try to ./example.py it fails. I think it's trying to run it as a bash script, how to I associate .py files with the python interpreter? |
| 10:55.25 | frostschutz | fenixsan, first line #!/usr/bin/python or some such |
| 10:56.50 | fenixsan | frostschutz : worked perfectly. thank you |
| 10:57.07 | jurrehart | Syntax : have a look here http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html#sect.apt-sources.list |
| 10:57.45 | Brigo | Lope, you can configure your ip like static, but then you can't change it. Or you can configure your ip like dinamic, and then you can dinamicaly get an ip with dhcpclient or restartin network daemons. |
| 10:59.39 | Brigo | Lope, when i said "you can't change it" i mind you only can change it edit the file :-) |
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| 11:00.13 | Lope | Brigo, thanks dude but you've answered a question I was not asking. |
| 11:00.29 | Lope | I figured out the problem, I had a bad gateway setting in the file |
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| 11:01.40 | Brigo | lope, sorry then :-) |
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| 11:03.33 | sexyshape | Anyone know about linux image naming ? For the package linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 and package revision is 3.2.54-2, the kernel is 3.2.54, and this is the second build, so what's the 3.2.0-4 means in the package name ? |
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| 11:06.36 | Brigo | sexyshape, why package revision is 3.2.54-2? |
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| 11:06.56 | oo_miguel | I am looking for a simple lightweight calender, that will optionally allow me to sync with a server (if I want to use it on multiple machines). Anybody can suggest such a tool / tools? |
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| 11:07.39 | rsFF | hey guys i am having some troubles connection to a wired network using dhcp using e1000e module |
| 11:07.46 | rsFF | to whom can i report this? |
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| 11:07.50 | rsFF | static ip works |
| 11:07.51 | rsFF | ... |
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| 11:08.25 | sexyshape | Brigo: got that info with dpkg --list linux-image* |
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| 11:08.59 | Brigo | sexyshape, yes, now i see the question. :-m |
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| 11:10.32 | Brigo | judd v linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:10.33 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-security: 3.2.46-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.2.54-2 |
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| 11:13.25 | Tekmans | hi |
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| 11:13.48 | codingeek | hi |
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| 11:14.15 | Tekmans | i'm trying to preseed debian install, and i need to build low memory vm |
| 11:14.26 | Tekmans | under the limit of 64Mo |
| 11:14.55 | Tekmans | and i got a warning, and i don't find how to answer to this question with preseed |
| 11:15.16 | Tekmans | someone knows how to avoid thi |
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| 11:15.28 | Tekmans | the warning http://imagebin.org/296810 |
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| 11:15.45 | Tekmans | thx |
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| 11:22.11 | Streusel | How would I setup a "log anything" task? |
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| 11:22.50 | Streusel | by anything i literally mean anything. so that if a connection has been made via sending a packet it gets logged, I expect it to grow exponentially but it only need to be on for a few seconds. |
| 11:22.51 | Brigo | Streusel, you can't debub configuration is "per aplication" |
| 11:23.03 | Streusel | no because I don't know where the issue is coming from |
| 11:24.22 | Streusel | all I know is somebody is sending something from somewhere to somewhere and it's doing something. Which is a whole lot of nothing. |
| 11:25.01 | Brigo | Streusel, well, you can monitoring network with some iptables rules. |
| 11:25.44 | Brigo | or with a sniffer like wireshark or tcpsniffer. |
| 11:25.51 | Streusel | mm |
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| 11:26.48 | Streusel | Thanks Brigo, I'll pass it on. |
| 11:26.56 | Streusel | Hope it helps.. |
| 11:27.03 | Brigo | you are wellcome :-) |
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| 11:35.00 | nkn__ | I have a project which generates a shared library and an executable (a command line tool to try out the shared library). Now when packaging for debian, should I make two packages? One install the shared library and other one installs the command line tool executable? Or is it OK to have everything in one package? |
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| 11:46.18 | zormit | hi. I cant remove a file. please see http://pastebin.com/ehvGNz6F for an example. this is the ssh authorized_keys file. |
| 11:46.26 | zormit | how can I remove it? |
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| 11:47.54 | sexyshape | how can I get the list of all package revision for let's say linux-image-3.2.0-4 ? |
| 11:48.07 | Lope | what's the best way to start a script with root privs after bootup? |
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| 11:49.25 | sexyshape | Lope: put it in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to install it |
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| 11:50.34 | Lope | sexy: thanks |
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| 11:57.45 | ksk | hey guys |
| 11:58.46 | ksk | im using encfs over curlftpfs and its slooow. afaik thats because of the encfs blocksize, choosing 4096 gets better performance then choosing something smaller - is there maybe some buffer filesystem i could mount in between them to solve this issue? |
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| 12:01.35 | petn-randall | Lope: You can also use /etc/rc.local for that. |
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| 12:03.12 | petn-randall | nkn__: It only really makes sense to split it into two packages if you use the shared library for something else, too. |
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| 12:03.58 | nkn__ | petn-randall: yes. shared library will be used for other programs. |
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| 12:04.51 | sexyshape | how can I get the list of all package revision for let's say linux-image-3.2.0-4 ? |
| 12:04.58 | petn-randall | nkn__: The only reason you want to split something into several packages is if it's either huge (to only install what you want and save disk space), or if all the packages would have different dependencies, and you don't want to burden the user with having to install them all if the user only wants to use one part of it. |
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| 12:05.38 | nkuttler | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4 |
| 12:05.39 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4' was found in i386. |
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| 12:06.16 | petn-randall | sexyshape: You mean the changelog? Or how many versions of said package are in all of the repos? |
| 12:06.46 | nkn__ | petn-randall: yeah. that makes sense. I was wondering will debian care if I install the executable in a shared library package? |
| 12:06.55 | mns | whats a good output format for MPD ? httpd doesn't seem to work too well for me. |
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| 12:07.59 | petn-randall | nkn__: We don't really care what and how you package ;). If you want to get your software into Debian, that might be a different matter, though. |
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| 12:09.33 | nkn__ | petn-randall: I want to get the software into debian repository. So I am trying to follow the recommended debian way of packaging… |
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| 12:12.21 | sexyshape | petn-randall: I'm trying to understand if a new kernel implies a change in the revision package or in the package name itself |
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| 12:13.31 | sexyshape | petn-randall: so I'm trying to get a list of all revisions of package linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:14.00 | Lope | what would be a good way to insert a line to execute my script into /etc/rc.local? rc.local's last line says exit 0. so I can't just append the file. Perhaps I should parse the file, search for the line containing exit 0 and insert my extra line above it? |
| 12:15.32 | sexyshape | for linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 current revision is 3.2.54-2, but were they other revisions or only a 3.2.0-3 package |
| 12:15.58 | sexyshape | Lope: is your script a daemon ? |
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| 12:18.04 | Lope | no, it runs and finishes |
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| 12:19.30 | mns | Lope: just edit /etc/rc.local right above the exit so that it sources from some directory |
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| 12:20.43 | Lope | I'm doing it programmatically. ok. |
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| 12:22.07 | Brigo | Lope, you can delete de exit 0, add your line at the end and add then other exit 0 |
| 12:22.30 | sexyshape | bt |
| 12:22.45 | sexyshape | btw there's nothing except comments in my rc.local |
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| 12:23.24 | mns | Lope: yeah what Brigo said. The exit 0 is there because rc.local is supposed to return some error code. |
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| 12:24.31 | mns | Lope: why edit rc.local programmatically ? just add something to /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d ? |
| 12:26.02 | Brigo | mns, doing so you can get problems with futures updates. That's why rc.local exits. |
| 12:27.13 | Lope | Okay thanks, that looks much better |
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| 12:27.53 | Lope | it's just a little trickier, I'll google a guide |
| 12:28.13 | mns | Brigo: how so ? whether you run from init.d or rc.local wouldn't the update cause problems either way, if it was causing problems ? |
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| 12:29.29 | Brigo | mns system spects only its own script in init.d, new ones can break and update. |
| 12:30.46 | Twinkletoes | I have a sequence of short commands I want to run like this: command1;echo;command2;echo | grep 'string' | grep 'string2' | mailx etc... |
| 12:30.58 | Brigo | Lope, or you can use sed: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18272379/bash-inserting-a-line-in-a-file-at-a-specific-location |
| 12:31.19 | Twinkletoes | It doesn't run form cron because the commands don't keep piping to teh same file |
| 12:31.29 | Twinkletoes | Can I get around this, even though it's probably better using a script? |
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| 12:32.03 | Twinkletoes | In fact, forget cron, it doesn't work becasue I want to pip the ENTIRE ouput into a mail messgae... thaty's where it fails |
| 12:32.11 | Twinkletoes | Any ideas? |
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| 12:33.20 | mns | Twinkletoes: run it in a subshell ? |
| 12:33.46 | Twinkletoes | mns: How do I do that? |
| 12:33.52 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, use ' or ""? replaces ; with && ... |
| 12:34.08 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: ; and && do the same thing in this case |
| 12:35.41 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, no, wiht ; you send to mail comand1 then; and execs command2. with && comand1 and comand2 get both executed |
| 12:36.19 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: I'm trying to not use a script and not use a temporary file, jsut have the whole lot (multiple commands) pipe to the mailing program |
| 12:36.23 | Brigo | can try to with $(comand1;comand2|comand3) |
| 12:36.59 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: YEah - thought that might work myself, sadly, no |
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| 12:37.35 | Twinkletoes | The REAL command is: echo;fail2ban-client status ssh;echo;fail2ban-client status postfix;echo;cat /var/log/fail2ban.log |grep $(date --date='yesterday' '+%Y-%m-%d') |grep ' Ban ' |sort -k 5,7 | mailx -r "root" -s "`uname -n` - fail2ban stats" <sender> |
| 12:38.21 | Brigo | Twinkle too complex you will need a lot of \ there. |
| 12:38.43 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: You mean, to escape the pipe chars? |
| 12:39.03 | Brigo | $( for example or ) |
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| 12:39.23 | Brigo | but i am not very good with \ :-/ |
| 12:39.40 | Twinkletoes | Me neither! |
| 12:40.11 | Brigo | i used to need a lot of trial and errors to get things run, so i use scripts. |
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| 12:41.44 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, try in bash channel :) |
| 12:42.04 | Twinkletoes | Brigo |
| 12:42.07 | Twinkletoes | Cracked it |
| 12:42.24 | Brigo | ? |
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| 12:42.49 | Twinkletoes | { command1; echo; command2; echo; cat <file>|grep 'string' | grep 'string2' ; { | mailx... |
| 12:43.05 | Twinkletoes | It was { } chars but the improtant thing is the semiocolon before the closing |
| 12:43.07 | Twinkletoes | } |
| 12:43.24 | Twinkletoes | (my error above, the second { is meant to be the closing } |
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| 12:46.20 | wols | !uuof Twinkletoes |
| 12:46.25 | wols | !uuoc Twinkletoes |
| 12:46.26 | dpkg | hands Twinkletoes the "useless use of cat" award |
| 12:46.34 | Twinkletoes | feels ashamed |
| 12:46.59 | Twinkletoes | Is there a better way? |
| 12:47.28 | petern_ | grep 'string' <file> |
| 12:48.55 | Twinkletoes | Yeha, I knew that! - the cat has now gone |
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| 12:54.10 | kale | hi, i'm running jessie, and ran a "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade", but one packages has wrong checksum. what do i do? do i change mirror? |
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| 12:55.22 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, well now i look i bit deeper: you are sending the commands to the console, not the mail |
| 12:55.39 | kale | package is: http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libt/libtorrent-rasterbar/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.13-1_amd64.deb error is: Size mismatch, i tried deleting the file from /var/cache/apt/archives/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.11-2_amd64.deb but it did not help |
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| 12:56.24 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: My intention was/is to ultimately pipe to the mailx command - it works now :) |
| 12:56.31 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, the first echo, for example will print a new line and exit. |
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| 12:56.57 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: { command; command; command; command |other_command ;} | mailx... |
| 12:57.01 | Twinkletoes | Brigo that works |
| 12:57.10 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, yes, ok |
| 12:57.16 | Twinkletoes | You need a space after the first { |
| 12:57.22 | themill | kale: if it's just one package you could download it manually from packages.debian.org and copy it into that cache directory. If you want to change mirrors completely, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update |
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| 12:58.01 | kale | themill: i chose the danish mirror because of my location, will it be ok to just switch to ftp.debian.org? |
| 12:58.06 | fool | Hello,I have just installed the newest debian,with xfce DE.Now I have a problem,that is I can't move window with my right-arrow key,but other directions' keys are good.I have tried to searched a lot but couldn't find any answer. |
| 12:58.37 | themill | kale: http.debian.net would normally be a good choice; ftp.de would also be a good choice for you I would imagine |
| 12:59.07 | fool | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.47 | fritsch | fool: you asked the same two minutes ago |
| 13:00.19 | fool | no ,I have add some new words |
| 13:00.26 | kale | fool: what about alt+leftmouse? |
| 13:00.40 | r1tz | it might be keyboard ghosting |
| 13:00.40 | fool | it's ok |
| 13:01.35 | fool | but I installed it in the VMware,there should be no software problem |
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| 13:03.00 | kale | E: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libt/libtorrent-rasterbar/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.13-1_amd64.deb Size mismatch |
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| 13:03.09 | kale | do you guys get that as well? |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | jaami: or sleeping? |
| 13:04.02 | themill | kale: you'd see a different http.debian.net than us -- that's the poine |
| 13:04.03 | themill | t |
| 13:04.52 | kale | themill: oh its a round robin dns? but you should get the same package i guess |
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| 13:06.12 | themill | kale: a redirector not a round robin. It sounds like there is a broken mirror there and unfortunately the normal mirror detection stuff doesn't spot one truncated package |
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| 13:06.53 | kale | themill: so should i just wait it out? |
| 13:07.20 | themill | kale: actually.... are you sure it's not some sort of web sign-on form or other error page you're downloading? |
| 13:07.32 | themill | kale: I just pulled that file from the .dk mirror and it's fine |
| 13:08.12 | jaami | abrotman: thanks for asking |
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| 13:08.55 | jaami | abrotman: i am still trying to fix the damn mobile connect issue |
| 13:09.24 | seksifemale | hi |
| 13:09.26 | abrotman | jaami: I still can't help you, I have never used adb |
| 13:09.53 | jaami | abrotman: that is nice way out of helping someone in touble :( |
| 13:10.46 | kale | themill: thats interesting. i tried the danish ftp.dk.debian.org and http.debian.net and got two different versions which both had the file mismatch error |
| 13:11.07 | jaami | abrotman: adb is easy to use, just 3 commands are needed, adb kill-server, adb start-server, adb devices and thats it |
| 13:11.31 | kale | jaami: did you set up and udev rule for your device? |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | jaami: I'm not sure why you're badgering me, please stop. I've never used adb, I can't help you. If I could, I would have just to get you to stop |
| 13:12.00 | jaami | abrotman: ok, i am sorry, i did not mean that |
| 13:12.19 | jaami | kale: i have done that , let me paste the rules |
| 13:12.35 | kale | jaami: did you install 32bit libs? |
| 13:12.46 | jaami | hmm, yes kale |
| 13:13.05 | kale | jaami: does adb run, if you just do "adb"? |
| 13:13.39 | jelly | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 13:13.40 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-3 |
| 13:13.46 | themill | kale: did you look at the file /var/cache/apt/archives/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.11-2_amd64.deb ? |
| 13:14.09 | kale | themill: no, what do you want me to do with it? |
| 13:14.13 | jelly | abrotman: if you'd just install that, you'd be able to figure it out instead of him! |
| 13:14.32 | jelly | hides |
| 13:14.35 | themill | kale: look at it with "less" perhaps |
| 13:15.24 | kale | themill: file is not there, i deleted it, since i believed a new download would pull the file again |
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| 13:16.11 | jaami | kale: please see this http://paste.debian.net/85063/ |
| 13:16.17 | themill | kale: you could just wget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libt/libtorrent-rasterbar/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.13-1_amd64.deb |
| 13:17.16 | abrotman | jelly: wouldn't that be convenient ... |
| 13:17.17 | kale | themill: i might be using the wrong hostname. i'm using http.debian.net, is that ok? if i try "wget http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libt/libtorrent-rasterbar/libtorrent-rasterbar7_0.16.13-1_amd64.deb" then i get "connection closed at byte 485" |
| 13:18.01 | themill | kale: and what's in those 485 bytes? |
| 13:18.19 | kale | jaami: no i will not look, i want you to answer my question |
| 13:18.25 | fool | I can't register the debian user forum because something is blocked,it shows "ip yes 2013-11-20 10:47:54 203 username no 0 email no 0 ",and I have try another mail address but failed,what should I do？ |
| 13:18.35 | jaami | yes kale adb runs |
| 13:18.48 | kale | themill: ahh, access denied. guess debian is not allowed at work, shrugs |
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| 13:18.56 | jaami | i just pasted output so you could see |
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| 13:19.22 | kale | themill: thanks for helping out here. embarrasing it didn't catch that one myself :-) |
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| 13:20.30 | themill | kale: no worries. These error conditions can be hard to spot. Do you need to set an http_proxy to get out? |
| 13:20.42 | kale | jaami: then you have come as far as i setting up the android "stuff" once i complete this myself (whithin the next two weeks) i'll get back here and help you out. |
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| 13:21.19 | jaami | kale: i will be here with adb chain in my neck |
| 13:21.32 | kale | themill: its a "no facebook" and "no youtube" filter we have. it might catch anything that rimes on "torrent" too. i'll just wget it using my server at home |
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| 13:21.52 | themill | oh.. how fun. |
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| 13:23.31 | kale | themill: i just use my home system and iodine, so filter is rather useless :-) |
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| 13:25.34 | jaami | oh well, great ppl to fly with |
| 13:25.58 | Lope | I'm making one of these scripts https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts. how can I specify NFS as a dependency so that my script only runs after NFS is ready to be used? |
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| 13:27.53 | jelly | Lope: $remote_fs ? |
| 13:28.03 | Lope | ah, yes :) |
| 13:29.01 | kale | themill: heh, fetching from home always works; thanks |
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| 13:29.21 | jelly | Lope: I'm just guessing, don't have a reference for what it means exactly |
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| 13:34.04 | Jonuz | Is there any free package for unraring? |
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| 13:34.32 | Jonuz | Oh, nvm :D |
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| 13:35.21 | jelly | Jonuz: however, unrar-free isn't capable of dealing with all the .rar file formats that exist |
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| 13:35.47 | Jonuz | I see :/ |
| 13:36.04 | fool | Who can lend a account of debian forum to me? |
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| 13:36.49 | fool | hello? |
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| 13:36.54 | Pie_Mage | hai |
| 13:37.39 | fool | do u have a debian forum account? |
| 13:38.03 | frostschutz | fool, you can register your own account. |
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| 13:38.51 | Solak | still has no clue as to why wheezy locks during boot on his powerbook g4. |
| 13:39.18 | Solak | squeeze worked fine, but I guess that's too old to be an option? |
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| 13:40.18 | jelly | Solak: it's a sad fact architectures other than amd64/i386 are second-hand citizens |
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| 13:40.28 | jelly | !ppc |
| 13:40.29 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:40.43 | jelly | Solak: try the arch.specific channel |
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| 13:41.04 | OpenTokix | jelly: Well, not really stange people prefer new hardware, over old hardware |
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| 13:41.37 | Syntaxerror | Hi! Did anyone answer my questions? My connection died without me noticing it. |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | OpenTokix: no, it's not strange. Sad. |
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| 13:45.11 | Solak | jelly: I did, not on otfc though... so I'll try that network. thanks. |
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| 13:45.58 | Esya | Hey guys. |
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| 13:47.15 | Esya | In need of some grub/efi knowledge.. When I boot I get stuck on initramfs after loading a few devices |
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| 13:48.18 | Esya | I'm using kali and luks, I have my bootable fat partition, a swap, and my luks partition. But what does it mean if it fails at that point? |
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| 13:48.59 | tezl | hi, I am having trouble setting passwords with debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections -- I have no problems with any other field -- is there something special I have to do? |
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| 13:49.12 | Esya | Since it's using luks, and there fore the /root partition is encrypted, I guess I have to change some things in my little fat bootable partition |
| 13:49.28 | frostschutz | Esya, what's "kali"? |
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| 13:49.41 | Esya | frostschutz : It's a debian based distro |
| 13:49.44 | Esya | But nvm here it's just the same |
| 13:49.45 | OpenTokix | Security and pentesting distribution derived from debian |
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| 13:50.53 | Syntaxerror | How big is the risk of a non-booting system after apt-get distr-upgrade from lenny to squeeze when only using packets from MAIN? |
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| 13:52.56 | Esya | Hmm clearly my question has more to do with the boot process that I'm not familiar with actually. If in grub console mode i can successfully do the linuxefi and initrdefi, and then I do "boot", but it gets stuck after loading a few devices during initramfs, what is it stuck on? |
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| 13:52.59 | Syntaxerror | ok and how do I backup a server that's not "here"? It's in Luxemburg but I'm in Germany |
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| 13:53.13 | Esya | Syntaxerror: What do you mean? Just rsync the files somewhere? |
| 13:53.26 | Syntaxerror | just copy everything and in case of failure boot rescue-system and roll-back? |
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| 13:53.39 | Esya | Syntaxerror : Is it a production server/ |
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| 13:54.01 | Syntaxerror | private. maybe 50-200 visits a day. Downtime isn't an issue |
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| 13:54.19 | Syntaxerror | but can I just rsync / and I have a working system-image? |
| 13:54.31 | Esya | Yes, that would work |
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| 13:56.27 | Brigo | Esya, what devices? can you paste the output? |
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| 13:56.39 | Brigo | or a photograph ... |
| 13:56.53 | Esya | Brigo Well since it's during boot time I can't copy :( But it's the Apple built-in bluetooth adapter |
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| 13:57.03 | Esya | But to me it seems like it loaded fine and crashed on the next step which it doesnt display |
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| 13:57.45 | Brigo | can you boot in rescue mode? |
| 13:58.27 | Esya | I didnt really try to boot in rescue mode. The main partition is luks encrypted so it wouldnt help much I assume |
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| 13:58.34 | Esya | But I can mount it from a live distro |
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| 14:01.44 | tapout | what's a lightweight dns resolver for local lookups? I only want a working cache of like 100MB and then it drops off the oldest entries |
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| 14:02.16 | Esya | tapout: dig? :p |
| 14:02.23 | tapout | err, lightweight dns server |
| 14:02.31 | Esya | Oh, different story then |
| 14:02.34 | tapout | i don't want to hit my isp for my apache logs |
| 14:02.45 | tapout | i rather use my own server and hit that |
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| 14:03.41 | abrotman | tapout: what's wrong with bind? |
| 14:03.43 | tapout | probably just use my bind but i figured there would be something smaller |
| 14:03.52 | Esya | Hmm.. |
| 14:03.55 | tapout | abrotman, last time my cache>limit, bind stopped |
| 14:03.58 | Brigo | bind9 is lightweight, i think |
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| 14:04.00 | tapout | i can't remmeber exactly.. it was a few years ago |
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| 14:04.34 | Esya | tapoutdnsmasq? |
| 14:04.45 | Esya | tapout: dnsmasq? * Never used it but it might do what you want |
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| 14:04.48 | Brigo | Esya, and what load before bluetooth? |
| 14:05.05 | Esya | Brigo, hmm I'll give it another shot in one min, trying to tweak the grub.cfg before giving it another try |
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| 14:05.41 | Brigo | Esya, take a photograph :-) |
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| 14:06.05 | Syntaxerror | to make a full backup of a machine using rsync, do I need to boot a dedicated system or can I do it 'live'? |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | tapout: pdns? |
| 14:06.12 | Esya | Brigo: Wish I could.. Phone got stolen a week ago :\ Well I can try to take one from this laptop's webcam lol. |
| 14:06.14 | Brigo | Esya, i want to know where the system stucks, but i have no bluetooth :) |
| 14:06.31 | Brigo | Esya, ups :-) |
| 14:07.03 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, it will not be so easy, when systems runs files changes, so you need a snapshot. |
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| 14:07.26 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, or stop the sytem, of course. |
| 14:07.30 | Syntaxerror | ok, but when I use a rescue-image provided by my data-center, everything is fine? :) |
| 14:07.33 | tapout | kk thanks fellas, i'm gonna check out pdns and then dnsmasq .. if all else fails, back to bind :) |
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| 14:07.48 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, yes, i shouls works. |
| 14:07.57 | Syntaxerror | thanks! |
| 14:08.23 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, good luck :-) |
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| 14:09.21 | Syntaxerror | thanks! |
| 14:10.00 | Esya | Brigo : I actually think that the whole thing has to do with my grub config and I'm terrible at it |
| 14:10.10 | Syntaxerror | (I had to fix a php-bug myself which allowed remote execution, so I'm now doing a upgrade to the current version and want to keep the machine up-to-date :)) |
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| 14:10.48 | Brigo | Esya, the only grub parameter i can thinks that can be problematic is the root filesystem and the init path |
| 14:11.28 | Esya | my root might be wrong indeed. |
| 14:11.33 | Brigo | Esya, if kernel can't find init it tells you, and with the filesystem it tells you too. |
| 14:12.26 | Brigo | try to change it editing grub with "e" in the grub menu. |
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| 14:12.46 | alumno_ | hello people |
| 14:12.59 | Esya | I might need some insmod luks in there as well actually. Thanks Brigo going to try right away |
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| 14:13.20 | ogolovanov | Hello! Iostat shows me r/s=1 w/s=30 rMB/s=0.02 wMB/s = 0.5, and at the same time "%util" = 100%. Is it ok, if i have 7200 rpm drive ? Why utilization is 100% if i have in total just 31 transactions per second ? |
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| 14:14.16 | Brigo | Esya, only need to determine the correct boot partion, but the initramfs loads from boots partition, so this may be ok ... |
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| 14:14.41 | Esya | Brigo: So now, it does load all the USB devices, and then tries to load the disks. Then it does "Gave up waiting for root device" |
| 14:14.46 | Esya | So I guess it's a tiny bit better heheh |
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| 14:15.14 | Brigo | Esya, may be the initramfs fails to mount the rootfs .... |
| 14:15.21 | Brigo | but i am not sure :-/ |
| 14:15.23 | Esya | Yup. /dev/mapper/kali-root does not exist. Alright.. Need to check a few things, because of the Luks encryption I guess. |
| 14:15.58 | Esya | Anyway I can specify the path to load and do it right away from the initramfs shell ? |
| 14:16.07 | Esya | Instead of rebooting on the live usb, editing grub.cfg, rebooting again |
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| 14:19.26 | oo_miguel | Can anyone recomment a simple lightweigt calendar ? |
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| 14:27.52 | dw | hello. a recent version of apt or dpkg grew a new feature to allow robustly excluding certain globs completely from install (e.g. /usr/share/doc/*), but i can't find the feature's docs. any idea? |
| 14:27.58 | Brigo | oo_miguel, you have already one in console: calendar |
| 14:27.59 | dw | (irony was not missed :) |
| 14:28.00 | wed__ | oo_miguel, cal |
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| 14:28.53 | snolahc | Hi all, i need to user several authorized_keys files for a user (due to multiple update process conflict), i saw on the man that we can put multiple files separated by a whiteline, and it just doesn't work. None of the file is used... Debian wheezy / OpenSSH 5.5p1 |
| 14:30.04 | snolahc | mmmh i saw it on a OpenSSH 6.1 manpage, this is not in the openssh 5.5 man... is it not supported/handled differently ? |
| 14:30.07 | guampa | snolahc: you can't use several keys in one file? |
| 14:30.08 | dw | aah, dpkg --path-exclude |
| 14:30.20 | Lope | is it necessary to umount my NFS shares before I reboot? |
| 14:30.29 | Lope | (in my init.d script) |
| 14:30.50 | snolahc | guampa: nope, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is handled by a .deb package, and i'd like to manage ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 by puppet |
| 14:32.00 | snolahc | actually, i have no choice but to user 2 authorized_keys, i've spent a long time looking on google and found nothing relevant |
| 14:32.14 | snolahc | s/user/use/ |
| 14:33.09 | guampa | snolahc: maybe something built around AuthorizedKeysCommand instead of AuthorizedKeysFile? |
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| 14:33.39 | Esya | snolahc What about a pam module? |
| 14:34.14 | guampa | the man page does say many files can be specified separated by space |
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| 14:34.32 | snolahc | guampa: the manpage of ssh 6 yes, but not the ssh5.5 one... |
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| 14:34.48 | snolahc | Esya: i've never thought of it... |
| 14:34.55 | Esya | Nvm what I said, keys are checked before so that might not even work |
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| 14:37.38 | Lope | debian doesn't seem to come with lsof by default?!? (net install) |
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| 14:37.48 | Lope | how can I check what process is locking my mountpoint? |
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| 14:39.24 | nwe | Lope: lsof |
| 14:40.17 | Lope | lsof: -bash: lsof: command not found |
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| 14:40.34 | guampa | Lope: fuser -m |
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| 14:41.28 | Lope | root is locking it, how can I see what PID? |
| 14:41.29 | snolahc | for information about the multiple authorized_keys files, it's available since SSH 5.9 : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76312 thanks anyway mates ! |
| 14:41.36 | Lope | or better yet, the process name |
| 14:41.41 | guampa | Lope: fuser -mv |
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| 14:44.18 | Lope | hmm, maybe my script is locking it. |
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| 14:46.19 | Syntaxerror | why does rsync display the name of files that it shouldn't touch, because they're excluded? |
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| 14:47.04 | Syntaxerror | this is my rsync: rsync -aAXvh /mnt/* /mnt/backup/03032014 --exclude={/mnt/home/team_fortress_2/*,/mnt/dev/*,/mnt/proc/*,/mnt/sys/*,/mnt/tmp/*,/mnt/run/*,/mnt/backup/*,/mnt/mnt/*,/mnt/media/*,/mnt/lost+found} |
| 14:47.34 | Lope | what is the easiest way to check if a mount point exists? |
| 14:47.35 | Syntaxerror | but once it starts it shows paths like home/team_fortress_2/hl2/<more path> |
| 14:47.49 | Lope | guampa: thanks btw |
| 14:48.33 | guampa | Lope: sure, what you mean if it exists? check if some directory is there? |
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| 14:49.35 | Syntaxerror | or does it just get a list of ALL files in SOURCE before sieving out all from --exclude? |
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| 14:50.28 | Lope | no, i mean to check if it is mounted for example lets say I have a dir /mnt/myNFS... I want to check if it's currently mounted |
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| 14:51.23 | Syntaxerror | Lope: mount|grep <yourpath> |
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| 14:51.56 | Lope | okay, I was gonna dump mount into an array and go thru it, but grep can pre-filter it for me. good idea, thanks. |
| 14:52.21 | Syntaxerror | if you use the errorlevel of that, you have a quasi-boolean to use in scripts |
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| 14:55.43 | Brody | hi guys. my machine is hanging on 'verifying dmi pool data'. i am trying to boot from the dvd drive. The last thing I tried was to change the dvd drive out and put in a different one. This unfortunately did not work. So, the current situation is that I seem to be having a hardware problem. One thing Ive been recommended to try is booting from USB stick. The strange thing is that the machine had a working Vista OS on it which seems to s |
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| 14:57.03 | Brody | ...and ram etc are working ok. Im a noob though, I havent installed an OS before so Im just posting here incase of tips. Thanks |
| 14:57.16 | laidback_01 | yeah, again, try from USB insterad |
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| 14:57.36 | laidback_01 | there's not much special about writnig an iso image to a usb anymore, so that makes it pretty easy. |
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| 15:00.14 | Brody | laidback_01 mm, well i dont have anything else left to try at the moment either so I will start preparing a USB stick now, and I will keep an eye on this channel incase someone has another suggestion. |
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| 15:00.54 | bumbar | is it possible to run script instead of motd? |
| 15:00.54 | laidback_01 | Brody: out of curiosity, which image are you trying to boot? |
| 15:01.20 | Brody | its DVD-1 from this page http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 15:01.29 | Brody | laidback_01 see above |
| 15:01.43 | OpenTokix | bumbar: yes, there is a motd module for pam |
| 15:02.35 | laidback_01 | Brody: huh, is your machine 32bit or 64bit? |
| 15:02.47 | Brody | laidback_01 its 32 bit |
| 15:02.52 | bumbar | OpenTokix, what's pam? :P |
| 15:03.03 | OpenTokix | bumbar: the system handling your authentication |
| 15:03.37 | OpenTokix | bumbar: You can do a lot of customization. But if you ask "what is pam" I suggest you not fiddle around with it, since it have a tendency so lock one out of you're not careful. |
| 15:03.44 | laidback_01 | Brody: okay, well, if you have an internet available during install, I MUCH prefer the netinst method: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:03.51 | OpenTokix | bumbar: if it is your personal user, you can always add something to your shell-configuration |
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| 15:04.13 | laidback_01 | Brody: It's less than a 100mb download, won't hur to try it |
| 15:04.35 | laidback_01 | it's not a live environment, just goes straight to the install part |
| 15:04.53 | laidback_01 | I never cared much for those big images - but if your internet is really slow, they make sense. |
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| 15:05.40 | Brody | laidback_01 ok cool. if the usb doesnt work i think i will try to set that going. cheers |
| 15:06.02 | bumbar | OpenTokix, could i just create a symlink to script as /etc/motd ? |
| 15:06.40 | OpenTokix | bumbar: I hope it is not executing that file when you login, it would be a bad thing(tm) |
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| 15:08.41 | FeriKe | Hi, Is there an application which I can use for video call without registering anywhere? Just two PC's IP address needed |
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| 15:12.35 | OpenTokix | FeriKe: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/peer-to-peer-video-conferencing-using/ |
| 15:14.17 | bumbar | OpenTokix, i'll just call script after motd, thanks for your time |
| 15:14.25 | OpenTokix | bumbar: do it |
| 15:14.30 | FeriKe | OpenTokix, Looks interesting |
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| 15:21.00 | thaicares | I'm on WEP again but really want to go wireless |
| 15:21.09 | thaicares | was thinking about using ndiswrapper |
| 15:21.17 | thaicares | but a linux solution would be better :/ |
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| 15:22.44 | musca | thaicares: yes. |
| 15:22.48 | musca | !wifi |
| 15:22.48 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:23.27 | oo_miguel | Brody, wed__ : ok thank you, Ill have a look if any of them supports adding new entries, as well as maybe some sort of syncing, if I want to use it on differnt devices |
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| 15:24.20 | thaicares | I have intel I'm using iwlwifi BUT it doesn't REALLY work |
| 15:24.29 | wols | thaicares: which intel chip? |
| 15:24.39 | wols | and generally, all of them "work". really well even |
| 15:25.17 | wols | thaicares: if you don't know: pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" |
| 15:25.24 | oo_miguel | When I use the command-line calendar I can simply |
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| 15:25.40 | oo_miguel | "sync" two calendars by merging, sorting and removing double entries, right? |
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| 15:26.12 | thaicares | centrino advanced-n 6200 |
| 15:26.41 | wols | thaicares: I specifically told you waht to do. your choice if you want to or no |
| 15:26.44 | wols | *not |
| 15:27.07 | thaicares | I told you it is the centrino advanced-n 6200 |
| 15:27.22 | wols | so you don't want help? good luck |
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| 15:27.35 | thaicares | I do want help! |
| 15:27.56 | wols | no you don't act like someone who does. but I'm done. |
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| 15:28.24 | thaicares | wols I'm not sure what went bad? |
| 15:28.59 | thaicares | I told you the intel chip = 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' |
| 15:29.02 | wols | thaicares: please stop highlighting me. if you can't follow a simple thing there is no hope. so please stop |
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| 15:29.41 | thaicares | ok well if there is anyone else willing to help |
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| 15:31.21 | thaicares | other than the intel chip being the 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' I'm also using the Debian Jessie (which is what I have) iwlwifi driver https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:34.12 | musca | thaicares: did you install the package firmware-iwlwifi from debian non-free repo? |
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| 15:34.58 | thaicares | musca kind of! https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:36.16 | thaicares | musca I did have some success with it but then it would drop the signal a lot and soon it stopped seeing available networks and now it sometimes doesn't know if it has the wireless option available |
| 15:38.16 | musca | thaicares: clear error messages would be more helpful than this description "it sometimes doesn't know if it has the wireless option available" |
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| 15:38.37 | thaicares | musca sorry |
| 15:38.41 | thaicares | dmesg? |
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| 15:39.04 | musca | sure |
| 15:39.28 | musca | or messages from your prefered wireless tool. |
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| 15:44.02 | thaicares | http://pastebin.com/b5B9mRFW dmesg-iwlwifi info |
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| 15:44.29 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 15:44.58 | thaicares | I generally use network manager applet (xfce4) to check on internet connections |
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| 15:45.09 | thaicares | musca how do I collect errors for that? |
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| 15:50.12 | musca | thaicares: the last line was interesting: [ 6.428892] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio. |
| 15:50.23 | fishcooker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.23 | fishcooker | is it possible if i just common user |
| 15:50.41 | musca | thaicares: did you touch the kill switch? |
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| 15:51.29 | thaicares_ | sorry I got disconnected |
| 15:51.34 | musca | thaicares: the last line was interesting: [ 6.428892] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio. |
| 15:51.36 | musca | thaicares: did you touch the kill switch? |
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| 15:51.55 | wols | fishcooker: which configs? |
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| 15:52.26 | thaicares_ | musca that is weird! |
| 15:52.35 | fishcooker | all, wols |
| 15:52.43 | thaicares_ | I checked rfkill not long ago! |
| 15:52.46 | fishcooker | this server box i think on debian |
| 15:53.08 | thaicares_ | I have it fixed now... my issue is I'm not sure how long it will last! |
| 15:53.19 | wols | fishcooker: a normal user doesn't have enough access rights. many security relevant things are only accessible for root |
| 15:53.28 | fishcooker | h432412@server45303:~$ uname -a |
| 15:53.29 | fishcooker | Linux server45303.masterweb.com 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:53.49 | fishcooker | this box relative secure and clean |
| 15:54.03 | thaicares_ | musca thanks for catching that! Was a stupid reason probably for the past week |
| 15:54.14 | thaicares_ | It would be AWESOME if that is the only issue :D |
| 15:54.19 | musca | thaicares: knowing the problem and being able to fix it quickly is a nice result |
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| 15:54.52 | fishcooker | what do you think wols |
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| 15:55.06 | thaicares_ | rfkill list will be the first thing I do next time I have an issue :D |
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| 16:16.16 | Brody | Ah darn it I am re reading the install from USB stick section and I forgot that it mentions you need to have a machine with Linux already installed to prepare the stick. Im using windows on this computer though. |
| 16:16.34 | psi20 | its not possible to redirect input like program < textfile.txt |
| 16:16.41 | thaicares | so I was sooo happy to have my wifi back but as soon as I logged off from here the wifi went right back down! new dmesg-iwlwifi http://pastebin.com/cXhMAWK0 |
| 16:16.45 | psi20 | but then swap back into keyboard input, is it? |
| 16:16.45 | thaicares | a lot longer this time! |
| 16:17.02 | thaicares | musca? want to follow this... |
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| 16:20.36 | thaicares | it seams that my wireless issue when it changes status bogs my system down a lot as well it freezes up for about 10 secs.... |
| 16:21.12 | Syntaxerror | doing apt-get dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze asks me, if I want to use DASH as my new shell.. WHY? |
| 16:21.43 | cybrNaut | Brody: you don't need linux to prepare the USB stick |
| 16:22.11 | cybrNaut | Brody: there is a windows version of "dd" that will work.. and there is also a windows version of unetbootin |
| 16:22.35 | Vibster | yeah unetbootin or pendrivelinux will work fine |
| 16:23.00 | Brody | cybrNaut vibster ok thankyou. |
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| 16:23.35 | Vibster | sometimes unetbootin has trouble finding your usb device |
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| 16:24.21 | Vibster | but pendrivelinux has a checkbox that says something like "show all usb devices" or something like that |
| 16:24.34 | Vibster | so if you can't get unetbootin to work try that |
| 16:24.59 | Brody | vibster thanks |
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| 16:27.57 | cybrNaut | dd is better. unetbootin creates a useless menu sometimes w/bogus choices |
| 16:28.39 | cybrNaut | the debian image doesn't need unetbootin, so you can use dd and get the menu intended by debian developers |
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| 16:29.17 | zykotick9 | Vibster: unetbootin is KNOWN to cause issues with debian ISOs... just sayin' Brody |
| 16:29.18 | cybrNaut | so if you're comfortable w/dd, it's the way to go. if not, unetbootin is at least easy to use |
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| 16:30.04 | cybrNaut | zykotick9: my version of unetbootin has a debian image built-in |
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| 16:33.49 | cybrNaut | Syntaxerror: not sure why you would be asked that.. but i would be cautious with dist-upgrade.. i saw dist-upgrade cause a total disaster in going from etch to lenny. |
| 16:34.28 | Syntaxerror | I already made the backup :) |
| 16:34.31 | Syntaxerror | btw: not it |
| 16:35.10 | Syntaxerror | now the upgrade is asking me if I want to exchange /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh with a newer version. Why should I do this? |
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| 16:36.33 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, because you are upgrading? |
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| 16:36.43 | zykotick9 | cybrNaut: your dist-upgrade comment is close to FUD |
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| 16:37.02 | cybrNaut | zykotick9: it's actually backed by a real case |
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| 16:37.21 | zykotick9 | cybrNaut: 1 case, does not a rule make... |
| 16:37.29 | Syntaxerror | yes, but how can I be sure that it doesn't break something? Im viewing the Differences and it seems to remove most of it |
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| 16:38.59 | Syntaxerror | can someone please take a quick look at this? http://pastebin.com/0XGF1Reb |
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| 16:40.30 | zykotick9 | Syntaxerror: did you follow <lenny->squeeze> directions? did you read the release notes? kinda late to be updating lenny isn't it? |
| 16:40.49 | Syntaxerror | better late than never :) |
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| 16:42.58 | Syntaxerror | hmm. have to continue tomorrow |
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| 16:45.12 | Joshun | hi |
| 16:45.29 | Joshun | anyone know of an mtp client that works on debian 7? |
| 16:45.51 | cybrNaut | Syntaxerror: if the problems are too much, you might also consider "preseeding", so new installs don't force you to repeat the same answers every time |
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| 16:47.19 | mtn | Joshun: did you try looking at http://packages.debian.org? |
| 16:47.41 | TomyWork | .debs can convey owners and permissions, right? |
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| 16:48.39 | axisys | why Nov 10 is not showing year? |
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| 16:48.45 | axisys | -rw-r--r-- 1 iqbala iqbala 0 Nov 10 10:10 /tmp/file1 |
| 16:48.48 | axisys | -rw-r--r-- 1 iqbala iqbala 0 Aug 10 2013 /tmp/file2 |
| 16:49.03 | TomyWork | maybe it's 2014? :P |
| 16:49.09 | axisys | they both were created in 2013 |
| 16:49.24 | TomyWork | yeah, very confusing indeed |
| 16:49.25 | Elemeno-Work | Nov 10 2014 is the future, man! |
| 16:49.33 | axisys | touch -t 201311101010 /tmp/file1 |
| 16:49.37 | axisys | -rw-r--r-- 1 iqbala iqbala 0 Nov 10 10:10 /tmp/file1 |
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| 16:49.51 | axisys | touch -t 201308101010 /tmp/file2 |
| 16:49.54 | axisys | -rw-r--r-- 1 iqbala iqbala 0 Aug 10 2013 /tmp/file2 |
| 16:50.18 | Joshun | mtn: mtpfs has been removed |
| 16:51.21 | zenadm1n | Joshun, jmtpfs is the only one that works for me http://research.jacquette.com/jmtpfs-exchanging-files-between-android-devices-and-linux/ |
| 16:51.26 | petn-randall | axisys: Probably more than 6 months back? The man page of ls should have this covered. |
| 16:52.04 | Elemeno-Work | -rw-rw-r-- 1 matt matt 0 Nov 10 10:10 test2 |
| 16:52.10 | Elemeno-Work | same thing here |
| 16:52.13 | Joshun | <zenadm1n> thanks, that looks promising |
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| 16:52.43 | axisys | petn-randall: man ls for a while.. may be I am missing a small print |
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| 16:53.47 | zenadm1n | Joshun, that's the only mtpfs version I've tried that works with with Shotwell. |
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| 16:56.33 | Joshun | zenadm1n / zenadmln it doesn't seem to compile, getguid not declared or something. |
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| 16:57.46 | gloydathDE | nick dury |
| 16:57.59 | gloydathDE | jessuus |
| 16:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | It is ./filename.pl to run an executable script, right. (I have been sick for two weeks, and haven't used my Linux machine in that time frame.) |
| 16:58.57 | zenadm1n | Joshun, I'm having the same problem on this box. |
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| 17:00.32 | zenadm1n | Add "#include <unistd.h>" to src/jmtpfs.cpp. |
| 17:00.53 | Joshun | yeah thanks, just found it on the blog post just before you said |
| 17:01.12 | Elemeno-Work | @Lady_Aleena: Yes, that should do it if you have permission to execute the perl script |
| 17:01.20 | Lady_Aleena | Elemeno-Work, thanks! |
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| 17:01.39 | Elemeno-Work | if you don't have permission, chmod +x ./filename.pl |
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| 17:01.55 | Elemeno-Work | no problem |
| 17:02.08 | Lady_Aleena | Elemeno-Work, I make sure all my .pl files are set to 755. |
| 17:02.21 | Elemeno-Work | perfect |
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| 17:02.41 | Joshun | zenad1n - have a feeling it may not work, anything based on libusb or libmtp seems to be broken with samsung galaxy tab 3, thanks anyway though |
| 17:03.09 | zenadm1n | Joshun, it works with my Nexus 4. |
| 17:03.24 | Joshun | maybe there is a way of tricking it to a different device id |
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| 17:03.55 | zenadm1n | I don't know why it's so difficult to sync an Android. It shouldn't be that hard, right? |
| 17:03.56 | Lady_Aleena | Should I stop thinking of permissions by the numerical value and start learning the +x and the like? |
| 17:04.09 | Elemeno-Work | no, octal is just fine |
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| 17:04.38 | Elemeno-Work | it's more verbose imo |
| 17:04.49 | axisys | " A timestamp is considered to be "recent" if it is less than six |
| 17:04.51 | axisys | months old, and is not dated in the future." |
| 17:04.52 | zenadm1n | Joshun, have you seen this list of Android udev rules: https://github.com/M0Rf30/android-udev-rules/blob/master/51-android.rules |
| 17:04.53 | Elemeno-Work | if you understand what the numbers mean |
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| 17:05.13 | axisys | from info coreutils ls says that |
| 17:05.16 | Joshun | zendad1n - mtp seems to have loads of holes in debian 7, ubuntu though has the latest gvfs backend which works flawlessly |
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| 17:05.21 | axisys | petn-randall: ^ thanks |
| 17:05.40 | Lady_Aleena | Elemeno-Work, I still have to check the web every once in a while. |
| 17:05.47 | Elemeno-Work | 111 111 111 = wrx wrx wrx = 777 |
| 17:06.15 | Lady_Aleena | ACK! |
| 17:06.16 | petn-randall | zenadm1n: I just set my android phone to USB storage mode, that works without a hitch. Never liked any of the MTP interfaces. |
| 17:06.27 | TomyWork | where in a .deb file are the owners and permissions stored? |
| 17:06.40 | Elemeno-Work | so, 111 101 101 = rwx rx rx = 755 |
| 17:06.45 | Joshun | petn-randall - thats if your phone supports usb storage mode -_- |
| 17:06.59 | Joshun | maybe ptp mode will work better |
| 17:07.05 | petn-randall | TomyWork: It's basically a tar.gz file, tar stores the permissions and ownership. |
| 17:07.06 | zenadm1n | petn-randall, the problem with usb mounting is the storage card isn't available to the phone while the phone is mounted. |
| 17:07.17 | Lady_Aleena | 644 and 755 are the ones I use most often. |
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| 17:07.47 | petn-randall | zenadm1n: And you could corrupt the filesystem. That's a risk I'm willing to take for get a super simple interface. |
| 17:07.51 | TomyWork | petn-randall thanks. that means this maven plugin is broken |
| 17:07.51 | Elemeno-Work | 110 100 100 = rw r r = 644 |
| 17:08.13 | petn-randall | TomyWork: How so? |
| 17:08.15 | TomyWork | it generates rpms and debs, the rpms have permissions, the debs dont |
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| 17:08.42 | Elemeno-Work | so 644 could never be executed - read by everybody - but only writable by a root user |
| 17:08.44 | zenadm1n | zenadm1n, That's what TWRP backups are for. |
| 17:08.52 | Lady_Aleena | I might have to find a nice pretty web page which explains the +x and the like. I am usually guessing when it comes to file permissions. |
| 17:08.53 | zenadm1n | oops, i'm talking to myself. |
| 17:08.54 | Elemeno-Work | *not root, owner |
| 17:08.57 | petn-randall | TomyWork: How don't they have permissions? When you install them, they'll end up having *some* permissions. |
| 17:09.10 | TomyWork | petn-randall well the defaults :) |
| 17:09.25 | Joshun | ah, ptp works brilliantly |
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| 17:09.37 | TomyWork | basically my user and 755/644 |
| 17:09.38 | Elemeno-Work | +x grants the current user execution rights |
| 17:09.38 | petn-randall | TomyWork: There are no defaults, just the ones that get are set in the tar.gz. |
| 17:10.09 | petn-randall | TomyWork: Oh, you usually need fakeroot to build debian packages. The build script should warn you doing that. |
| 17:10.18 | Elemeno-Work | so if something wont execute, chmod +x filename.pl will allow you to execute it |
| 17:10.23 | TomyWork | so that's what it is |
| 17:10.34 | TomyWork | yeah, it doesnt use fakeroot by default |
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| 17:10.51 | TomyWork | there is some option to enable it i think. i just havent figured out where to set it |
| 17:11.04 | TomyWork | but thanks for the info, i'll look into that :) |
| 17:11.16 | zenadm1n | I'm hoping for mtp over wifi on Linux. |
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| 17:12.23 | Meliorate | hi all, could someone help me a lil with cron please? i have this command set in my crontab, but it isn't being run: rsync -vv -e "ssh -i .ssh/id_ecdsa_backup" backup@x.x.x.x:/mnt/backup |
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| 17:13.11 | Meliorate | it works fine in sh, when i run it at command line. i assume there is some issue with the quotes? |
| 17:13.26 | Meliorate | (escaping the quotes doesn't seem to help) |
| 17:13.47 | abrotman | Meliorate: in your user crontab? also, use full paths |
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| 17:14.07 | Meliorate | rsync exists in PATH |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | yes, it does, when you run it |
| 17:15.06 | Meliorate | the cron daemon is running these commands with sh i thought? |
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| 17:17.56 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:18.24 | Posterdati | I've got problem with isb keyboard on 3.2.0: it freezes and became lazy to respond :( |
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| 17:18.37 | Posterdati | I think it's a powersave issue, how can I fix that? |
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| 17:23.50 | berceanu_ | hi guys, is there any way i can resize partitions on a running system? |
| 17:24.35 | mtn | berceanu_: not if the partitions are mounted |
| 17:24.54 | berceanu_ | mtn: im afraid they are |
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| 17:25.11 | berceanu_ | mtn: because i need to resize / |
| 17:25.19 | berceanu_ | mtn: on my debian laptop |
| 17:25.27 | mtn | berceanu_: you will need to use a live disk |
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| 17:27.14 | berceanu_ | mtn: im afraid i have no USB key or CD/DVDs around, isnt there any other way? |
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| 17:27.32 | mtn | berceanu_: not that I know of |
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| 17:27.46 | zekoZeko | hello everyone. Can someone help me got old package sources? Specifically, I need ppp 2.4.4rel-8 sources. |
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| 17:29.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zekoZeko about snapshot |
| 17:30.09 | zekoZeko | abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:31.33 | zekoZeko | marvelous, i heard about that when it became official but couldn't remember. Maybe it would be nice to have a link from packages.d.o. |
| 17:31.41 | berceanu_ | mtn: guess i could use an external hdd :) what is the smallest iso i could put on it that would do the job? |
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| 17:32.41 | petn-randall | berceanu_: You can always enlarge it online, but you can't shrink it while mounted. |
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| 17:33.13 | Pie_Mage | heh |
| 17:33.18 | Pie_Mage | I keep getting emails about that! |
| 17:33.54 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: also cant move it i guess ;) |
| 17:33.56 | petn-randall | I see what you did there ... :) |
| 17:34.04 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: problem is i have a lot of partitions |
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| 17:34.26 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: https://infotomb.com/ssijr/bb4dbfdb08aa9fd7fa0ba154e6d6b001a562ab80d1656f6a94ec7ac65e0f9e5a |
| 17:34.38 | petn-randall | berceanu_: You won't get around booting a live system then. Have you considered using LVM? It alleviates many of the problems around partitions. |
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| 17:35.33 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: here is my df -h output: https://infotomb.com/i1h8n/68df726afff04b56391e442476674517b90302922ae7d64bb07e9b1227d90b97 |
| 17:35.44 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: as you can see the problem is the / partition |
| 17:36.01 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: which btw has the size chosen automatically by the debian installer ;) |
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| 17:37.14 | petn-randall | berceanu_: You sure about that? It's ridiculously small, and you have a non-default partitioning scheme. |
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| 17:37.20 | kzar | I'm trying to run a command with a shell variable under screen. It works fine normally but when I run under screen it doesn't work. |
| 17:37.23 | kzar | Something like this: |
| 17:37.35 | petn-randall | berceanu_: Start over, you'll only run into more problems working around this. |
| 17:37.44 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: im positive! |
| 17:37.52 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: what do you mean by start over?! |
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| 17:38.02 | petn-randall | berceanu_: Back you system up, reinstall. |
| 17:38.06 | petn-randall | *your |
| 17:38.09 | kzar | screen -S example -d -m export EXAMPLE_PATH=/somewhere && bin/something |
| 17:38.13 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: pfffff seriously?! |
| 17:38.17 | kzar | Any ideas? |
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| 17:38.31 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: i have it like this for over one year long |
| 17:38.36 | mtn | berceanu_: putting everything into one partition saves a lot of trouble. I only use a / partition and swap |
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| 17:38.50 | berceanu_ | petn-randall: its just the / which fills us when i install stuff |
| 17:39.33 | mtn | berceanu_: if it was my computer, I would reinstall |
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| 17:44.55 | lebb | Brian, |
| 17:44.56 | lebb | Your card ends with 0290 and the date of significance is 0271 |
| 17:44.56 | lebb | Cheers! |
| 17:44.56 | lebb | Alain Lauzon |
| 17:44.56 | lebb | Gestion des dépenses/ |
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| 17:46.41 | sakang | can someone explains the "1:0.0.9" in the version number as opposed to without the "1:" ? |
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| 17:48.38 | TomyWork | petn-randall regarding the maven plugin i'm using to make debian packages (where you said fakeroot would be required), i tried running all of maven in a fakeroot env... didn't help |
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| 17:49.08 | TomyWork | also, it's using "dpkg-deb -b" to make the package, does that still require fakeroot? |
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| 17:50.08 | terrasapien | can't figure why apt-get takes several minutes to read package lists after doing apt-get update |
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| 17:50.17 | terrasapien | anyone else have this problem? |
| 17:50.34 | TomyWork | terrasapien how is your cpu, mem and disk usage? |
| 17:50.37 | quiznilo | I'm trying to figure out how to remove this SystemD aids |
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| 17:50.45 | quiznilo | can anyone help? |
| 17:50.57 | TomyWork | quiznilo not if you keep calling it aids |
| 17:50.58 | terrasapien | Tom01, not excessive, and this is a very fast computer |
| 17:51.08 | quiznilo | why not? it is |
| 17:51.10 | terrasapien | saw this on ubuntu as well |
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| 17:51.45 | TomyWork | terrasapien i dont suppose apt-get clean or aptitude clean do anything to help? |
| 17:51.56 | TomyWork | how's your sources.list? |
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| 17:52.15 | TomyWork | do you have multiple distributions in there per chance? :) |
| 17:52.45 | terrasapien | TomyWork, changed apt-sources and that's not the issue |
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| 17:53.12 | quiznilo | is "poettering garbage" a better description? |
| 17:53.21 | terrasapien | internet connection is fine and sources come in quickly, then apt-get hangs for a ridiculous amount of time reading package list |
| 17:53.31 | terrasapien | could take over an hour |
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| 17:54.02 | TomyWork | terrasapien an hour? holy |
| 17:54.02 | terrasapien | seven minutes now and at 8% |
| 17:54.19 | terrasapien | this happened on ubuntu as well |
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| 17:55.19 | terrasapien | google search shows others have had this issue as well |
| 17:55.37 | TomyWork | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104709 this one suggests commenting out deb-src entries |
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| 17:56.19 | TomyWork | it also links this article about optimizing ssd performance in linux: http://www.howtogeek.com/62761/how-to-tweak-your-ssd-in-ubuntu-for-better-performance/ |
| 17:56.30 | TomyWork | ubuntu* |
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| 17:57.51 | terrasapien | TomyWork, i tried commenting out the sources, and several different sources but downloading the updates is not the problem |
| 17:58.04 | terrasapien | just reading them takes an unacceptably long time |
| 17:58.12 | terrasapien | everything else runs fine and the SSD drive is fast |
| 17:58.21 | TomyWork | yes, you have indexes on your disk for all the sources |
| 17:59.04 | TomyWork | so a fast download is irrelevant |
| 17:59.27 | TomyWork | they still need to be read though |
| 17:59.33 | TomyWork | dont ask me about the details though :) |
| 17:59.46 | terrasapien | left it go last night before sleep and it was done this morning |
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| 18:02.02 | TomyWork | you hinted at that already |
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| 18:03.10 | TomyWork | if i were you, i wouldnt discard the fact that all these users on that forum thread report having SSDs, just like you |
| 18:03.19 | TomyWork | not most of them, all of them |
| 18:03.56 | TomyWork | the original poster put it just like you: 'Performance is great except for one occasion, "apt-get update", or software center.' |
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| 18:04.39 | terrasapien | it's happened on two different SSD drives with two different Distributions in the past month |
| 18:04.48 | TomyWork | SSDs, yes |
| 18:04.53 | TomyWork | so the disk is the problem |
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| 18:04.59 | terrasapien | must be |
| 18:05.06 | TomyWork | or configuration relating to the disk |
| 18:05.20 | zykotick9 | has 4 debian systems currently running on SSDs, and doesn't have that sort of delay... |
| 18:05.39 | terrasapien | which performs very fast in every other situation |
| 18:05.46 | TomyWork | zykotick9 did you do any changes to hdd-related configuration? |
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| 18:06.03 | tirengarfio | how to change the default vhost in apache? |
| 18:06.28 | tirengarfio | I have multiple files, one for each website |
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| 18:06.35 | zykotick9 | TomyWork: some "might" have discard enabled, but i highly doubt all do... answering your question = i'm not sure ;) |
| 18:06.51 | kzrl | tirengarfio: the default is the first vhost specified i believe |
| 18:07.04 | TomyWork | that's still something terrasapien could try, right? |
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| 18:07.19 | kzrl | tirengarfio: so you could create a vhost 000-default that would be loaded first. If I recall |
| 18:07.20 | tirengarfio | yes, but how can I change it? I mean, I want another one to be the default one |
| 18:07.38 | rwp | tirengarfio, The default is the one *without* a ServerName line. By convention the default is in the "default" file. |
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| 18:07.40 | TomyWork | it's also in that howtogeek article i linked |
| 18:08.25 | tirengarfio | I remove the default one that is created when installing apache |
| 18:08.30 | tirengarfio | now I have another 3 |
| 18:08.32 | kzrl | rwp: Good to know :) |
| 18:08.46 | terrasapien | this is a new install about ten days old and this problem just started in the past couple of days |
| 18:08.47 | TomyWork | zykotick9 any odd disk layout preferences? unusual file systems? |
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| 18:09.08 | terrasapien | before that, apt-get update reading packages was very fast as I would expect |
| 18:09.22 | TomyWork | terrasapien that fits the picture very well |
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| 18:09.41 | rwp | tirengarfio, kzrl, By convention "default" is linked to "000-default" forcing it to load first. |
| 18:09.48 | TomyWork | you see, without "discard", the disk at some point needs to go hunt for free blocks when writing something |
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| 18:10.13 | TomyWork | but as long as there are enough free blocks, it's performing fine |
| 18:10.37 | terrasapien | TomyWork, thanks for the insights, i'll go tweak that and see if that improves |
| 18:10.43 | Marvin- | 20 0 49.550g 0.048t 740 D 31.26 80.94 403:39.25 e2fsck ### wish me luck XD |
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| 18:11.01 | bertrik | with "discard" enabled, you can also see slowdowns, when deleting a large number of files |
| 18:11.10 | tirengarfio | well I actully didn't remove it, I just disable it. Now when I request the ip of my vps, I get a site A, but I would like to get the site B |
| 18:11.20 | rhizome | is there a utility or apt command that can tell me what packages could/should be updated? something like portaudit on BSD is what i'm looking for. |
| 18:11.26 | TomyWork | bertrik shouldnt those be asynchronous? |
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| 18:11.53 | TomyWork | (guess) |
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| 18:14.20 | bertrik | no, I don't think so, the trim command is not queueable as far as I know |
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| 18:15.18 | Walex2 | rhizome: yes. |
| 18:15.27 | bertrik | queuable only since serial ata 3.1 according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_(computing)#Shortcomings |
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| 18:15.40 | Walex2 | bertrik: in practice it isn't. |
| 18:16.03 | Walex2 | bertrik: so for example 'ext4' seems to TRIM more rarely than XFS and require more frequent 'fstrim' instead. |
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| 18:17.30 | bertrik | Walex2: yeah, I wondered about that. I used ext4 with discard enabled and fstrim still takes quite a bit of time, apparently has quite a bit of work to do, despite the discard option. |
| 18:17.31 | zykotick9 | TomyWork: actually they're all Encrypted LVM... which might be quasi-useless on SSDs... |
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| 18:17.37 | tirengarfio | rwp, any help? |
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| 18:19.22 | TomyWork | <rwp> tirengarfio, kzrl, By convention "default" is linked to "000-default" forcing it to load first. |
| 18:19.36 | TomyWork | he already hinted at how to solve your issue |
| 18:19.44 | rhizome | Walex2: any hints? good google terms? |
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| 18:20.22 | rwp | TomyWork, Thanks! |
| 18:20.23 | tirengarfio | ok, thanks, now I understand |
| 18:20.33 | Walex2 | rhizome: 'apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade' |
| 18:20.42 | Walex2 | rhizome: or you can use 'aptitude' |
| 18:21.13 | tirengarfio | another question, is possible to load the different websites I have in my vps just using the ip, I mean without a domain asociated to the virtual host |
| 18:21.24 | tirengarfio | ip?* |
| 18:21.41 | TomyWork | sure |
| 18:21.53 | rwp | tirengarfio, You can always bind individual virtual servers to specific IP addresses. |
| 18:22.19 | TomyWork | that is, if you have more than one ip |
| 18:22.29 | tirengarfio | I just have one ip |
| 18:22.31 | TomyWork | if not, ports or sub-directories |
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| 18:23.16 | rwp | Having one IP is why everything has moved to name based virtual servers now. |
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| 18:23.29 | TomyWork | I gtg or the store will close before i arrive :) |
| 18:23.34 | rwp | Humans don't deal with IPs very well. Always better for humans to give it a DNS name. |
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| 18:24.10 | TomyWork | one IP cooks forty humans |
| 18:24.16 | TomyWork | for forty* |
| 18:24.29 | rhizome | Walex2: ah, i should have known. thanks! |
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| 18:32.15 | tirengarfio | rwp, but I didnt understand well.. I have remove the content inside 000-default, and I have created the virtual host inside for another website project, but when I request the ip of my vps, I still get this message: Apache2 Debian Default Page |
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| 18:32.53 | rwp | tirengarfio, Did you 'service apache2 reload' your web server after having made changes to the configuration? |
| 18:32.55 | Brody | Yay. I have made progress! The usb stick has got past the 'verifying dmi pool data' line. Phew |
| 18:33.00 | tirengarfio | yes |
| 18:34.01 | rwp | The apache config is a concatenation of /etc/apache2/sites-available/*. First I would look there to make sure that the concatentated file looks like what you want. "cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/* | less" Does it? |
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| 18:34.16 | tirengarfio | rwp, this is what I have: http://apaste.info/0kr3 inside the 000-default.conf file |
| 18:34.29 | tirengarfio | http://185.37.226.104/ |
| 18:35.14 | rwp | You have "ServerName www.ziiweb.com" set. So it will only respond to being called by that name. |
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| 18:35.52 | rwp | Is the actual hostname of the system different from www.ziiweb.com? (It works better if it is different.) |
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| 18:37.04 | rwp | tirengarfio, Remove the ServerName line from the "default" file. Then it will respond to all queries not for any other named server. |
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| 18:37.26 | tirengarfio | no way.. I have changed to this: http://apaste.info/8jNU |
| 18:37.40 | tirengarfio | and then reload but I still get message before.. |
| 18:37.59 | rwp | tirengarfio, I said "cat /etc/apache2/sites-available/* | less" when I meant "cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* | less" earlier. Sorry about that typo. |
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| 18:38.10 | rwp | tirengarfio, Look at "cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* | less" and determine if it is what you want. |
| 18:38.47 | rwp | tirengarfio, Why say "no way..." when you did end up removing it? (Commenting out is the same. A difference that makes no difference.) |
| 18:39.09 | tirengarfio | sorry? |
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| 18:39.28 | rwp | Normally there is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default symlinked to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default to start things off. |
| 18:39.29 | tirengarfio | commenting is the same? |
| 18:39.48 | rwp | Yes, commenting out is the same as removing it. No difference. The apache program will no longer have the config line. Same thing. |
| 18:40.15 | rwp | Normally /etc/apache2/sites-available/default does not contain a ServerName line. It is then the catchall for all services not otherwise named. |
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| 18:40.17 | ixio | i want to make a DD image of a LV volume. Do I do this by lvcreate --size 1G --snapshot --name /root/03march /dev/mapper/system_vg-root_lv && dd if=/root/03march of=/backup2/usb/lvbackup.img ? is that right ? |
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| 18:40.47 | rwp | Then when you want to add other apache virtual named servers then by convention you create one file per server and 'a2ensite foo' to enable that site with a symlink. |
| 18:41.28 | rwp | The concatenation of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* then includes the unnamed virtual host first and named virtual hosts afterward. |
| 18:42.05 | rwp | By convention www.ziiweb.com |
| 18:42.30 | rwp | By convention www.ziiweb.com would go into a separate file. Then you would be able to differentiate www.ziiweb.com from other accesses such as by IP address. |
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| 18:42.37 | tirengarfio | wait, so should I concat the virtual hosts files? |
| 18:42.52 | rwp | No, the config automatically concatenates those files. |
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| 18:43.55 | rwp | On other systems people get used to having everything all in one file. On Debian by convention the different servers are organized into different files. It is more organized. The config then concatenates them together automatically. |
| 18:44.41 | tirengarfio | Now Im getting another message: http://185.37.226.104/ |
| 18:45.34 | tirengarfio | It is is the same message if I comment or uncomment the line ServerName ziiweb.com |
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| 18:46.32 | rwp | tirengarfio, When I try to look all I see is "The connection was reset". Probably a firewall is blocking me. |
| 18:46.40 | axisys | how do you check the health of SSD behind LSI ? |
| 18:46.52 | tirengarfio | yes, I get the same message |
| 18:47.42 | rwp | tirengarfio, If you don't see anything in /var/log/apache/error.log then apache isn't getting the request and the problem is likely routing or firewall. |
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| 18:48.22 | rwp | axisys, Good question. Unless the manufacturer has a program specific to their device then I don't think it is possible to know. |
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| 18:48.34 | rwp | axisys, SMART isn't too useful for getting information back from an SSD. |
| 18:48.49 | tirengarfio | yes, it is an error related the site I want to load as deault |
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| 18:48.52 | rwp | axisys, Mostly even the storage vendors don't know. Not enough history yet. |
| 18:49.07 | rwp | tirengarfio, Good. You have a trail to follow. |
| 18:49.15 | tirengarfio | yes, thanks! |
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| 18:49.39 | axisys | rwp: yep, this is not so clear |
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| 18:49.42 | axisys | rwp: http://dpaste.com/1682944/ |
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| 18:50.19 | axisys | that is a single disk lun |
| 18:50.21 | rwp | tirengarfio, I suggest simplifying the configuration back to the original default. So that it is so simple it can't fail. Then incrementally changing one small thing at a time and testing after each change as you add back in your desired configuration. |
| 18:51.02 | rwp | axisys, Right. Very basic information only. |
| 18:52.39 | axisys | rwp: also odd is.. Device supports SMART and is Disabled |
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| 18:52.55 | axisys | I am not sure why.. I did -s on |
| 18:52.55 | rwp | You should be able to enable SMART. But it isn't too useful. |
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| 18:53.39 | rwp | axisys, Just fyi but SMART is enable don my Intel SSDs. Also OCZ too. |
| 18:53.52 | rwp | But again, even though it is enabled there isn't any useful information returned from it. |
| 18:54.02 | rwp | I expect they will go all of the way to failure that way. |
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| 18:54.22 | rwp | tirengarfio, axisys, I need to run. Good luck! |
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| 18:57.51 | JyZyXEL | every day i get email like "run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/polipo exited with return code 1" how can i start to fix this? |
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| 19:01.49 | Pie_Mage | disable the cron job? :> |
| 19:01.55 | Pie_Mage | i'm really not helpful |
| 19:02.25 | JyZyXEL | whats the best way to disable it? |
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| 19:03.05 | Pie_Mage | crontab -e |
| 19:03.18 | Pie_Mage | hmm |
| 19:03.19 | Pie_Mage | actually |
| 19:03.23 | Pie_Mage | I think I read that wrong |
| 19:03.30 | JyZyXEL | it is in /etc/cron.daily/polipo |
| 19:03.31 | Pie_Mage | i thought that was a cron entry |
| 19:03.36 | JyZyXEL | and installed by the polipo packet |
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| 19:06.29 | JyZyXEL | can i just delete it? |
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| 19:09.14 | ixio | lvcreate -L1G -s -n rootsnapshot /dev/system_vg/root_lv |
| 19:09.14 | ixio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.28 | ixio | anyone help me out I dont quite understand what its talking about |
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| 19:14.42 | jelly-home | ixio: apparently there's not enough free space in volume group system_vg |
| 19:15.08 | ixio | I just want to make a snapshot so I can DD, can I work around this ? |
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| 19:15.53 | jelly-home | ixio: pastebin the output of "vgs" and "lvs", run as root, please |
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| 19:16.32 | ixio | system_vg 1 1 0 wz--n- 146.22G 0 | root_lv system_vg -wi-ao 146.22G |
| 19:16.52 | ixio | vfree being the "0" there |
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| 19:17.10 | jelly-home | well then, where should that snapshot go? |
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| 19:18.27 | ixio | I dont have a clue what im telling it to do lol im just following instructions, I presume the physical deivce needs some free space on it not taken up by the logical volume? or does teh snapshot go into the logical volume ? |
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| 19:18.32 | ixio | theres 10GB free |
| 19:18.40 | jelly-home | ixio: where's that free space? |
| 19:18.55 | ixio | in / |
| 19:19.16 | ixio | ../dev/mapper/system_vg-root_lv is mounted as / and has 10GB free |
| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | it has to be not allocated to a LV |
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| 19:19.52 | ixio | I have a USB disk plugged in, can I use that ? |
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| 19:20.13 | jelly-home | ixio: you have two options. Add some fresh disk space to the VG, or reduce the size of the (only) LV inside |
| 19:20.33 | ixio | oh ok so reduce the size of the LV by like 2GB so I have 8GB free? |
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| 19:20.57 | jelly-home | I'd advise against that if you don't have a valid backup |
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| 19:21.11 | ixio | man what a pain in the ass lol |
| 19:21.26 | ixio | im gonna have to DD the live LG |
| 19:21.52 | jelly-home | well, the best practice would have been to leave some free space in the VG in the first place |
| 19:22.18 | ixio | god knows which muppet set this server up |
| 19:22.29 | ixio | its running lenny for gods sake |
| 19:22.30 | ixio | lol |
| 19:22.34 | jelly-home | boot a livecd image, and do your dd from there, while the filesystem is not in use |
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| 19:26.57 | jelly-home | ixio: alternatively, go back to single user mode, remount / read-only, and dd there |
| 19:28.30 | jhutchins | . |
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| 19:29.02 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Latter method will try to dd /proc /dev and /sys. |
| 19:29.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins: what? |
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| 19:35.14 | jhutchins | jelly-home: If you dd / in single user mode. |
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| 19:37.11 | jelly-home | jhutchins: how would dding a block device in single user mode be affected by any virtual mountpoints? |
| 19:37.33 | jelly-home | not sure what you're thinking of |
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| 19:37.56 | jelly-home | is it an attempt at humour? |
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| 19:38.59 | Datz | Hello, I attempted updating from sqeeze to wheezy, but on reboot, I'm still on 2.6.32 kernel, and lsb_release -a still indicates squeeze. |
| 19:39.04 | Datz | I followed this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-linux-upgrade-6-squeeze-to-7-wheezy/ |
| 19:39.30 | Datz | the only problem I noticed was: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. |
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| 19:40.28 | jhutchins | jelly-home: No, I would expect that to try to copy the contents of the virtual mounts as well as the data. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was the whole reason for not doing a live copy. |
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| 19:41.07 | jhutchins | squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:41.14 | jhutchins | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:41.20 | jelly-home | jhutchins: oh. that doesn't make any sense. |
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| 19:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions youtube-dl |
| 19:42.04 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
| 19:42.09 | Datz | humm, I usually use aptitude, and used apt-get for the update. Could that be a problem? |
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| 19:43.00 | jhutchins | Datz: Did you do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 19:43.11 | Datz | dist-upgrade |
| 19:43.31 | jhutchins | Datz: Maybe aptitude -f install? |
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| 19:43.38 | petern_ | Search on your error message... |
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| 19:43.54 | Datz | jhutchins: I can try that |
| 19:43.59 | jhutchins | Datz: Can you paste your sources.list to paste.debian.org? |
| 19:44.25 | jelly-home | jhutchins: virtual filesystems like procfs and sysfs are not backed by any block device. /dev is a tmpfs, which again isn't backed by a block device per se, but uses RAM (and swap only if needed). These constructs only look like a filesystem. |
| 19:44.28 | Datz | jhutchins: sure |
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| 19:44.58 | jhutchins | jelly-home: So you're implying that dd won't attempt to copy them. |
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| 19:45.21 | Datz | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/85126/ |
| 19:45.25 | jelly-home | there's no block device to copy there |
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| 19:46.18 | jhutchins | Datz: I don't see anything wrong with that list. |
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| 19:46.26 | jelly-home | jhutchins: even if there was some other "real" fs mounted on eg. /home, dding the block device where / is stored still wouldn't touch it |
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| 19:46.47 | acerspyro | Hello, I'm stuck with a host who won't update from Debian Woody, and I need Subversion 8. Where can I get binaries for it? |
| 19:46.59 | Datz | jhutchins: ok. Well, I'm running aptitude upgrade atm. Going to see what the output is |
| 19:47.17 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Wow. I guess I've gone for years on that assumption without questioning it. |
| 19:47.28 | Datz | jhutchins: so far this-- open: 13189; closed: 34537; defer: 226; conflict: 716 |
| 19:47.37 | jelly-home | dd doesn't know anything about the linux VFS, it just reads blocks and writes blocks |
| 19:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, squeeze backports... made "wheezy backports" out of that without noticing |
| 19:48.07 | Datz | jhutchins: could the problem be that I used apt-get when I usually used aptitude for package management? |
| 19:48.28 | jhutchins | Datz: I think apt-get is usually recommended to avoid dependency loops. |
| 19:48.31 | jelly-home | acerspyro: 1.8? |
| 19:48.40 | acerspyro | jelly-home: yes sorry |
| 19:49.00 | jelly-home | acerspyro: you'd have to build it yourself, on this or some other woody installation |
| 19:49.18 | jelly-home | (good luck with that!) |
| 19:49.39 | acerspyro | jelly-home: lol kk |
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| 19:50.51 | jelly-home | acerspyro: it's a somewhat pointless exercise to do this for free when there are saner releases to use |
| 19:51.05 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 19:51.05 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 19:51.33 | acerspyro | I think I have sarge after all |
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| 19:51.42 | jelly-home | acerspyro: still fucking old! |
| 19:51.53 | acerspyro | jelly-home: I fucking know. |
| 19:52.25 | acerspyro | How do I extract a file in terminal? |
| 19:52.31 | acerspyro | I usually use Ark :P |
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| 19:52.47 | jelly-home | what kind of a file? |
| 19:52.47 | jhutchins | acerspyro: I usually use the utility specific to the archive. |
| 19:52.53 | acerspyro | tar.bz2 |
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| 19:53.02 | liske1 | tar -zxvf maybe |
| 19:53.07 | jelly-home | acerspyro: bzip2 -dc foo.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - |
| 19:53.14 | acerspyro | ty |
| 19:53.25 | jelly-home | can you assign a monetary value to your build needs? |
| 19:53.36 | jelly-home | has dollar signs in eyes |
| 19:53.42 | eipieqng1 | Where would one go to find help with iptables / Firestarter? |
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| 19:53.52 | acerspyro | extracted |
| 19:53.56 | acerspyro | eipieqng1: man |
| 19:54.33 | jelly-home | acerspyro: please don't do that unless you want to get the same treatment |
| 19:54.34 | eipieqng1 | ;) thanks acerspyro but man only gets me so far. |
| 19:54.46 | eipieqng1 | trust me i am trying |
| 19:54.51 | acerspyro | jelly-home: do what? |
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| 19:55.04 | acerspyro | jelly-home: it extracted |
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| 19:55.15 | jelly-home | arbitrary "rtfm" |
| 19:55.24 | acerspyro | jelly-home: I was just checking |
| 19:55.30 | eipieqng1 | I am using firestarter and i think I have the thing setup right. But it seems as though its not lisisng to my allow all from 10.5.0.0/22 |
| 19:55.39 | acerspyro | *head desks* |
| 19:55.42 | acerspyro | *cries* |
| 19:55.52 | eipieqng1 | i am still trying to make sens eof iptables -L command |
| 19:55.58 | eipieqng1 | what did I say something wrong? |
| 19:56.05 | acerspyro | I have to download and compile Apache from source, BOUHOUHOU |
| 19:56.36 | eipieqng1 | I am sorry |
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| 19:56.41 | acerspyro | ty :'( |
| 19:56.58 | Walex2 | eipieqng1: as a rule 'iptables' is beyond most people except for the simplest cases |
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| 19:57.11 | acerspyro | it needs APR |
| 19:57.14 | jelly-home | acerspyro: APR library is a different thing from apache |
| 19:57.16 | acerspyro | Is that really apache? |
| 19:57.19 | acerspyro | oh ok |
| 19:57.21 | Walex2 | eipieqng1: use a good 'iptables' frontend, I quite like 'ferm' |
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| 19:57.48 | eipieqng1 | Walex2, that makes me feel good and bad. Yeay super position |
| 19:57.56 | Walex2 | eipieqng1: but you are already using 'firestarter' I notice now. |
| 19:58.01 | eipieqng1 | ferm you say. Can I have both ferm an firestarter at the sam etime? |
| 19:58.19 | Walex2 | eipieqng1: not really... |
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| 19:58.42 | eipieqng1 | so I shoudl uninstall firestarter. All i care is that this thing works |
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| 20:00.00 | eipieqng1 | I am going to install it on my local machine. I am just worried about a server that has landed in my possession against my will.... |
| 20:00.33 | acerspyro | redpill: your server's OS sucks, update it before I get a headache and eat a box of cookies. |
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| 20:01.01 | cbt998 | hi, strange issue... for some reason a debian7 64 had an issue with the nic's, they went down and up says the message log but not why... |
| 20:01.03 | wols | epsylon: it's a netfilter frontend. make sure nothing you want to expose is listening anywhere then |
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| 20:02.26 | acerspyro | fuck this shit, I'll get Red Eclipse by other means than SubVersion, as I can't install it. |
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| 20:03.30 | Roland- | hello, it seems like I need some newer version of qemu-img is there some testing package ? |
| 20:03.58 | centrx | Roland-, Why do you need a newer version? |
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| 20:04.17 | centrx | Roland-, I don't see any package named "qemu-img" ? |
| 20:04.18 | Datz | jhutchins: I think the problem is with this E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. |
| 20:04.29 | Roland- | the one that debian uses has a bug that cannot convert large vhd into raw |
| 20:04.33 | wols | Roland-: and qemu-img doesn't exist anyways, stable or testing |
| 20:04.34 | Datz | jhutchins: I'm not sure what to do abou tthat |
| 20:04.43 | Datz | or anyone, for that matter |
| 20:04.45 | Roland- | kvm-qemu or whatever it's called |
| 20:04.47 | Roland- | let me ss |
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| 20:04.59 | Roland- | qemu-kvm |
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| 20:06.56 | jhutchins | Datz: I don't think that error should block anything else, just defer the configuation of the jre. |
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| 20:07.10 | Datz | jhutchins: it seems to stop the upgrade process |
| 20:07.21 | jhutchins | Datz: So no output after that point? |
| 20:07.34 | Datz | when I ran dist-upgrade again, there was work to be done, but it gave me that message again |
| 20:07.42 | Datz | yes |
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| 20:08.00 | jhutchins | Datz: I'd be inclined to remove that package and try the upgrade again. |
| 20:08.21 | entity | hello, i want to compile my own kernel, but would like to use the default debian settings. The latest on my config is from 3.12.4 and it seems like there was a fair amount of new features since then, i get prompted a lot when i try running make |
| 20:08.37 | Datz | jhutchins: I'm not sure about the output, maybe you can tell: http://paste.debian.net/85130/ |
| 20:08.41 | entity | is there like an updated config for 3.13.5 for debian? |
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| 20:10.08 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:10.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 20:10.30 | Datz | great, somehow screen is now confused about my two sessions.. |
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| 20:11.49 | entity | jelly-home: so where could i obtain the config for those? |
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| 20:12.12 | Datz | jhutchins: thanks, I'll try removing that |
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| 20:12.25 | jelly-home | entity: every package brings a /boot/config-version |
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| 20:12.46 | entity | oh okay, nice, thanks, gonna try it out |
| 20:13.01 | jelly-home | entity: or use the debian-kernel team git... can't remember where it is right now |
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| 20:13.44 | qu | How do I find out why Testing is not shuttong down? All I get is a cursor. |
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| 20:15.39 | entity | jelly-home: i guess i found it: svn://anonscm.debian.org/kernel/dists/trunk |
| 20:15.51 | entity | why do they use svn? 0.o |
| 20:16.07 | jelly-home | it's good enough? |
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| 20:16.23 | Solak | hmm, ext2 is better for ssd, right? |
| 20:16.24 | entity | eh okay :P |
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| 20:16.56 | Solak | is installing wheezy on an Acer Aspire One with 8Gb SSD (and 512Mb RAM). |
| 20:17.00 | jhutchins | Solak: Yes, much better than ntfs. |
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| 20:19.31 | entity | jelly-home: how are the kernel packages called? i can't find them |
| 20:19.58 | entity | i only got something for "kfreebsd" |
| 20:20.03 | jelly-home | entity: look for source package linux |
| 20:21.25 | entity | ah got it, thanks |
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| 20:23.21 | entity | uhmm https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/linux-source/filelist |
| 20:23.30 | entity | not exactly the files i was hoping for |
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| 20:24.39 | entity | guess i'll be using svn then :< |
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| 20:24.45 | zleap | hi |
| 20:25.04 | zleap | i am trying to get a broadcom wireless device working on my netbook |
| 20:25.17 | entity | svn: E210005: No repository found in 'svn://anonscm.debian.org/kernel/dists/trunk' |
| 20:25.20 | entity | guess not |
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| 20:25.41 | zleap | installed using firmware-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:26.00 | jelly-home | entity: I meant, grab a binary package built from that source that matches your architecture |
| 20:26.11 | zleap | so the firmware should be there but doing apt-get install firmware-b43-installer tells be it can't find it |
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| 20:27.37 | entity | jelly-home: where do i find that |
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| 20:28.27 | entity | ah i think i found it https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/linux-source-3.13/filelist |
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| 20:29.23 | jelly-home | entity: on packages.debian.org, search for "linux" source package |
| 20:29.45 | fommil | hi all. I have installed debian (from the live image) onto my 2013 iMac, and I have installed rEFInder but I'm not able to boot into debian :-( There is an EFI option for debian, found by the booter, but it claims that it cannot read the FS. I choose ext2 for /boot (in a static partition) and ext4 for / (in a LVM)... any ideas? |
| 20:29.46 | jelly-home | entity: in eg. distribution experimental |
| 20:29.48 | jelly-home | or sid |
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| 20:32.22 | qu | Nobody knows. |
| 20:32.32 | entity | jelly-home: yeah i got that far https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-source-3.13 |
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| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | entity: no, not linux-source |
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| 20:33.13 | fommil | did I need to create an /EFI partition as well or something? |
| 20:33.29 | Bombo | hi |
| 20:33.30 | entity | jelly-home: so why don't you tell me the name of the package already |
| 20:33.49 | fommil | people who have installed Ubuntu on iMacs have been using GRUB2's EFI... is debian using the same thing? |
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| 20:34.11 | entity | jelly-home: just "linux" is too generic for the db... |
| 20:34.23 | Bombo | where did the jabberd package go in wheezy? its in squeeze but not in wheezy |
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| 20:34.52 | jelly-home | entity: https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.13-1-amd64 |
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| 20:35.24 | entity | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 20:38.56 | zleap | it looks like package firmware-b43-installer isn't available on uk.debian.org server |
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| 20:40.25 | zleap | it looks like package firmware-b43-installer isn't available on uk.debian.org server |
| 20:41.07 | petn-randall | zleap: Proof, or it didn't happen. |
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| 20:41.19 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 20:42.08 | zleap | apt can't find it |
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| 20:42.15 | zleap | so it is either not there or there are issues elsewhere |
| 20:42.24 | zleap | i also get issues running apt-get update |
| 20:42.26 | ttpearso | Anyone familiar with the PHP + Fcgi + Apache relationship in Squeeze (specifically the PHPRC variable) |
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| 20:42.59 | kale | when apt tells me the following packages have been kept back, then what do i do? |
| 20:43.16 | fommil | anybody been able to install debian on an iMac? |
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| 20:43.52 | zleap | unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer |
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| 20:44.13 | teraflops | depends on the imac fommil |
| 20:44.23 | fommil | teraflops: 2013 |
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| 20:45.04 | Brody | Hi, Im installing Debian for the first time. Ive been having lots of problems but Ive finally had a breakthrough. Things are very temperamental though. The most recent problem I was/am having is the machine hangs at the verifying dmi pool data. It wont boot from my DVD. I have now made a USB stick and it successfully skips this line. So i am at the UNetbootin menu and I can go up and down and select. Its very slow to respond when one o |
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| 20:45.56 | ompaul | !unetbootin |
| 20:45.56 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 20:46.20 | axisys | have not found anything in google yet.. how to send an encrypted email from cli ? |
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| 20:46.31 | jhutchins | Brody: Did you fall off the edge of your keyboard? |
| 20:46.44 | axisys | mutt can do it through a cronjob ? |
| 20:47.08 | teraflops | may be fommil the newest debian installation I did was in a macbook pro 2008 |
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| 20:47.13 | axisys | I could as in #mutt, but looking for suggestion here |
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| 20:47.21 | zleap | i used unetbootln and apart from this driver issue everything seems fine |
| 20:47.31 | zleap | but the driver = 3rd party |
| 20:47.46 | kale | axisys: use links/lynx against you favorite webmail client |
| 20:47.50 | ompaul | zleap: works for me does bely the community experience |
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| 20:48.45 | Brody | it did get a way into the standard 'install' option. however it seemed to freeze and i chose to reset, maybe wrongly on my part. after this, it started hanging on the verifying dmi pool data again i was quite worried ha. I turned it off and had dinner, came back and it skipped the dmi pool data line as before and i got to the unetbootin menu again luckily. so im wary as to what to do next. ive chosen graphical install option and it has |
| 20:48.52 | musca | !win32diskimager |
| 20:48.53 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 20:48.59 | fommil | teraflops: I'm struggling with the booter. maybe you can help. I have rEFInder and it lists debian on boot, but then fails: EFI boot (grub) says that the filesystem cannot be read and the other one says not bootable (I think it's trying to do BIOS) |
| 20:49.28 | axisys | kale: need to send from cron.. I guess gpg the file and send using mail |
| 20:49.31 | axisys | not sure |
| 20:49.33 | fommil | teraflops: I used EXT2 for a static /boot, and EXT4 for a LVM / |
| 20:49.38 | ompaul | Brody: did you not read what the channel bot said? |
| 20:49.43 | teraflops | fommil: i get better experience botting from the osx bootloader directly |
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| 20:49.53 | teraflops | *booting |
| 20:50.18 | Brody | 10 minutes now. hello again ompaul jhutchins musca. |
| 20:50.20 | teraflops | youll need and hfs(non +) to put the efi there |
| 20:50.39 | teraflops | and then from osx again bless thet lillte partition |
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| 20:51.08 | fommil | teraflops: I don't get any option for Linux when I use that... just the Macintosh HD option :-( (and a USB drive if I have one plugged in) |
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| 20:51.28 | teraflops | yeah fommil you have to do that manually |
| 20:51.55 | fommil | teraflops: yeah, I have an HFS+ with the ESP in it. Why do you say non + ? |
| 20:52.09 | fommil | teraflops: and does this mean you start up in BIOS mode, not EFI? |
| 20:52.25 | teraflops | because you cant write from the installer on a hfs+ |
| 20:52.49 | teraflops | if you can let me know but I cant figure out |
| 20:52.53 | zleap | ompaul, you probably understand what you are doing |
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| 20:53.07 | zleap | i just downloaded the driver from the boardcom website and unzipped it |
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| 20:54.05 | teraflops | is a little tricky (not enough) fommil but it seems to be the recommended way this days and more elegant I could say |
| 20:54.07 | ompaul | zleap: I'm saying please don't suggest tools we know give trouble, please do the methods that debian community have written up, they seem to work in place of the ones that don't |
| 20:54.23 | teraflops | thr |
| 20:54.31 | petn-randall | Can anyone with enough git skills tell me how to check in which linux kernel release commit a08c22c0df0ad2.. is? |
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| 20:55.03 | teraflops | fommil: theres a wiki if you want the link let me know and ill point you to the url |
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| 20:55.45 | fommil | teraflops: if it's the one I think it is, it's horribly out of date and has almost no information regarding the booter. There is a more recent Ubuntu wiki but it's also not particularly relevant. |
| 20:55.55 | teraflops | fommil: the arch wiki |
| 20:56.07 | fommil | teraflops: yup, been reading it too. slightly better |
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| 20:56.12 | teraflops | its quite new and is ok for debian |
| 20:56.19 | fommil | teraflops: i'll try it again |
| 20:56.50 | Brody | ompaul do you recommend i use win32 disk imager aswell? |
| 20:57.03 | teraflops | once blessed you can boot the debian as it was an external disk from osx bootloader fommil |
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| 20:57.42 | fommil | teraflops: I think I tried the bless command but it still didn't show up. does the default debian installer install the correct grub config to work with this? |
| 20:58.03 | fommil | teraflops: also, is it enough that my /boot is an ext2 or do I have to have other mount poitns as ext2 as well? |
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| 20:58.31 | teraflops | youll need an hfs partition mounted under the boot partition fommil |
| 20:58.32 | fommil | teraflops: this archlinux page is using the deprecated refit |
| 20:58.41 | teraflops | no fommil |
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| 20:58.51 | fommil | teraflops: I mean LINUX /boot as ext2. |
| 20:58.52 | teraflops | im not talking about refit |
| 20:59.01 | teraflops | its ok or ext3 |
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| 20:59.13 | teraflops | this way you dont use refit |
| 20:59.20 | ompaul | Brody: yes |
| 20:59.24 | fommil | teraflops: ok, I'll read further and see, thanks |
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| 20:59.40 | teraflops | fommil: jump to the grub-efi part |
| 20:59.44 | Brody | ompaul thanks |
| 20:59.45 | teraflops | yw |
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| 21:00.07 | fommil | teraflops: here? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IMac_Aluminium |
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| 21:00.12 | fommil | teraflops: I think I have the wrong page |
| 21:00.14 | teraflops | let me see fommil |
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| 21:01.08 | floatingpoint | what's the best way to figure out why a system is runnining out of memory? |
| 21:01.21 | centrx | top ? |
| 21:01.48 | floatingpoint | I need to figure this out post mortem |
| 21:02.11 | teraflops | no fommil i meant https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro11,x#Using_the_MacBook.27s_native_EFI_bootloader |
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| 21:02.39 | floatingpoint | my error log seems to indicate that meory usage goes way the hell up, and then everything crashes |
| 21:03.06 | fommil | teraflops: cool thanks. will this let me triple boot into windows at some future point? |
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| 21:03.28 | teraflops | fommil: read that too is more clear: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook#Using_blessing |
| 21:03.39 | teraflops | sure fommil |
| 21:03.51 | ompaul | petn-randall: git branch --contains a08c22c0df0ad2 |
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| 21:04.19 | ompaul | petn-randall: git tag --contains a08c22c0df0ad2 |
| 21:04.21 | ompaul | something like that |
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| 21:04.54 | floatingpoint | anyone have any ideas? this is a reallly major problem, and I'm not quite sure how to troubleshoot |
| 21:05.35 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: the kernel log will have details on what was killed and why |
| 21:05.40 | fommil | teraflops: these instructions are incredibly confusing |
| 21:05.47 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: it should be pretty obvious |
| 21:05.50 | teraflops | so i said tricky |
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| 21:06.15 | teraflops | but not much, that wiki guy had a bad day i think |
| 21:06.15 | floatingpoint | dondelelcaro where is the kernel log usually located at? |
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| 21:06.41 | jhutchins | Brody: I'm very suspicious of your hardware. |
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| 21:06.56 | teraflops | but i can assure you that works |
| 21:06.57 | kalloc | hi, how to skip check-recursive when I build a deb package? |
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| 21:07.23 | Brody | jhutchins btw just incase you are interested, i swapped out the dvd drive and that didnt fix it. but i have to agree, i am worried the motherboard or something is broken |
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| 21:07.46 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: dmesg and /var/log/messages will have it, in general |
| 21:07.49 | kalloc | 1 of 2 tests failed |
| 21:07.51 | kalloc | (1 test was not run) |
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| 21:07.57 | kalloc | how to skip tests? |
| 21:08.03 | kalloc | I can't control it :( |
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| 21:08.52 | Brody | jhutchins lol i was halfway through writing that last message addressed to you when you posted that my hardware is suspicious. |
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| 21:09.39 | jhutchins | Brody: Could be the HDD. If the iso you have is a live/hybrid image you could boot to that and see what the logs say. |
| 21:10.13 | floatingpoint | dondelelcaro oh my god. 100s of apache processes |
| 21:10.20 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: well, there you go |
| 21:10.37 | floatingpoint | thanks buddy |
| 21:10.42 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: no problem |
| 21:11.21 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: you might want to consider using ulimit or similar to stop apache (or php or whatever) from being able to allocate more than a certain amount of memory |
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| 21:12.36 | petn-randall | ompaul: After some searching I found it, so my current kernel can "rumble" a PS3 controller. Now I just need to find out how to trigger that over the API ... |
| 21:13.18 | Brody | jhutchins the fact that the machine hung on verifying dmi pool data made me think it could not be the hard drive (just based on the impression i got from what you experts were giving off). but now that you are explicitly saying it could be the hard drive, it makes me contemplate testing this more thoroughly. either by making a live usb as you suggest or by plugging in a different HD. |
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| 21:13.30 | floatingpoint | dondelelcaro do you have a tutorial that I could look at? |
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| 21:13.56 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: there's probably some examples you can find with googling; that's what I would do to search for one for you |
| 21:14.16 | dondelelcaro | floatingpoint: see http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/putting-limit-on-apache-and-php-memory/ |
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| 21:16.58 | floatingpoint | thanks |
| 21:17.48 | fommil | teraflops: I'm completely confused now |
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| 21:20.42 | fommil | teraflops: I'm currently in a situation where I cannot boot into debian, but I can start up the live CD, but I can't see any of my partitions to mount. Also, these docs are using a really old version of REFIT and not REFIND |
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| 21:24.21 | fommil | does the live CD have gnu parted on it? |
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| 21:25.17 | jhutchins | Brody: Checking DMI is one of the failure modes when the system can't find a bootable device. |
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| 21:26.13 | teraflops | fommil: i dont know what you did, but as I said I wasnt tolking about using refit/refind |
| 21:26.22 | teraflops | talking* |
| 21:26.41 | fommil | teraflops: the instructions require using refind to get the grub setup working, using chaining |
| 21:26.50 | teraflops | no |
| 21:27.04 | teraflops | almost the method I told you |
| 21:27.26 | fommil | teraflops: I'm afraid I don't know enough to implement the method you told me. |
| 21:27.42 | fommil | teraflops: you basically want me to install GRUB2 in MBR mode, right? |
| 21:27.52 | teraflops | no fommil |
| 21:27.58 | teraflops | never ever said that |
| 21:28.18 | teraflops | fommil: may be you are right and this methos is not for you |
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| 21:28.48 | fommil | teraflops: ok, well you also said about blessing the debian /boot partition... well I tried that and it isn't showing up in the list. |
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| 21:29.38 | Brody | jhutchins i had DVD to be the first drive to boot from, so thats why i thought it isolated the problem to something other than the HD because the hd wasnt being consulted yet (presumably). |
| 21:30.27 | fommil | teraflops: i want to cry, wahhha |
| 21:30.43 | fommil | teraflops: it was a lot easier to install debian 10 years ago |
| 21:31.07 | zleap | fommil, i agree |
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| 21:31.36 | zleap | i am going to try xubuntu as I am sure ubuntu has a mini utik that can pull in required drivers |
| 21:31.50 | zleap | utik - utility |
| 21:32.21 | zleap | something is wrong with my sources.list file as its not updating properly, i downloadad the driver tar.gz but need a stack of stuff to compile it |
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| 21:38.04 | Brody | i have made a bit of progress though, the detect network hardware is saying i need non-free firmware files to operate. The file is rt2561s.bin and it says i should put it onto a usb stick. This is for my network card. (Ive put a network card in now too). So i think i can go and borrow a 2nd pen drive from a neighbour or something. google seems to reveal the file is 8kb but there are many different versions. I hope Im not being too anno |
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| 21:39.16 | Brody | ..be really tedious simple problems, but I am already over my head due to earlier hiccups. So this is why Im being quite thorough in double checking things. |
| 21:39.20 | fommil | I really wanted to install debian on my iMac :-( but it looks like I'm going to have to try Ubuntu... I just don't know how to get the booter to work :-( |
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| 21:40.30 | imsaguy | hi SerajewelKS |
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| 21:40.46 | SerajewelKS | o/ |
| 21:41.07 | HisaoNakai | Hi. I had Testing apt-pinned (stable priority 900, testing priority -10), recently did an 'apt-get install -t testing xxxterm', which pulled in a huge lot of upgrades to graphics drivers which has been causing havoc ever since. How do I go back to the older versions? :( |
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| 21:41.37 | centrx | Frankendebian |
| 21:41.50 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Safest way is to uninstall them and then install the stable versions |
| 21:42.08 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Also note that cherry picking packages from testing really does not work most of the time |
| 21:42.21 | d1z | in debian wheezy, what is the name for the service nlockmgr? it isn't rpc.lockd and I haven't been able to find out where to set a custop tcp/udp port for this daemon. It is said in some documentation that this service is provided by the loadable kernel module nfs_lockd, but modprobe -c|grep nfs matches nothing, and creating a file inside /etc/modprobe.d/nfs_lockd with content 'options lockd nlm_udpport=4003 nlm_tcpport=4003' didn't make any effect |
| 21:42.21 | d1z | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.37 | HisaoNakai | 'Frankendebian' lol |
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| 21:42.49 | jennie | I am copying my windows C ntfs drive to other partition in same computer and after copy and paste it is saying " preparing to copy and 90GB " of data and still counting up, though the C drive is only of 40GB |
| 21:43.58 | HisaoNakai | centrx: I see, will do. And, well, I guess it's thin ice, but it worked fine, I even pulled the testing version of kde-standard, no issues (been running that since a month or so now) :D |
| 21:46.02 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Then you are basically running testing, except you have a handful of packages from stable, and you aren't getting updates automatically |
| 21:46.18 | HisaoNakai | o_o' |
| 21:46.45 | jennie | o_o |
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| 21:47.40 | centrx | HisaoNakai, It would make more sense to just run testing |
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| 21:47.55 | fommil | teraflops: somebody on the ubuntu list says that refind "just works" with a standard ubuntu install. He's using ext4 / and no LVM. That might be the thing that messes up my machine... did you use LVM when you did this? |
| 21:47.57 | centrx | jennie, Using cp ? |
| 21:48.21 | jennie | I am copying by gnome |
| 21:48.25 | ctp | hi folks. the 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' is in interactive mode. i just need to enable exact one locale en_US.UTF-8 and deselect all others running a script. any alternative to this ncurses config? |
| 21:49.02 | Brody | So basically I need to get a pen drive, download rt2561s.bin from any of these links http://www.filewatcher.com/m/rt2561s.bin.8192-0.html and then just put it anywhere on the pen drive and plug it in? |
| 21:49.03 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Hm... |
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| 21:49.44 | centrx | jennie, Gnome might just be counting wrong? |
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| 21:50.14 | jennie | okay, and now I am getting " too many symbolic links error while copying " "=) |
| 21:50.17 | jennie | :-( * |
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| 21:52.16 | centrx | jennie, Maybe use cp with the --no-dereference option ? |
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| 21:58.10 | HisaoNakai | centrx: uninstalling them will remove a huge amount of other stuff. apt-get install -t stable says 'is already the latest version', and for some 'is set to manually installed'. wat o.o' |
| 21:59.13 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Personally, I would remove the sources for stable and your pin settings, and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to complete testing |
| 21:59.32 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Debian packages are not designed for downgrading |
| 21:59.47 | centrx | HisaoNakai, That is why uninstalling and then reinstalling is the safer method |
| 21:59.55 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Or finishing your half-upgrade to testing |
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| 22:00.07 | HisaoNakai | Hm... |
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| 22:03.05 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 22:03.12 | rtgg | debian plus xfce is awesome ;) |
| 22:03.17 | rtgg | is just* |
| 22:04.07 | jhutchins | Brody: You just seem to be winning all the prizes, that's all. |
| 22:04.09 | DammitJim | rtgg, does one just install xfce with apt-get? |
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| 22:04.23 | d1z | DammitJim, yes |
| 22:04.29 | rtgg | DammitJim: u can download the debian version with xfce default |
| 22:04.38 | rtgg | otherwise u can download via apt super cow |
| 22:04.39 | rtgg | :D |
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| 22:05.20 | d1z | instal from repo, I'm more than sure that there must be some custom repository for updated xfce4 builds |
| 22:05.35 | rtgg | it is.. |
| 22:05.39 | rtgg | look here |
| 22:05.39 | rtgg | http://namhuy.net/1085/install-gui-on-debian-7-wheezy.html |
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| 22:06.15 | rtgg | u can choose which you like |
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| 22:06.35 | HisaoNakai | rtgg: 'apt super cow' wat? o.o |
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| 22:08.11 | fommil | YAY! I got debian booted on my iMac teraflops. Seems it was LVM that was causing the problems |
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| 22:08.32 | rtgg | See the apt-get(8), sources.list(5) and apt.conf(5) manual |
| 22:08.32 | rtgg | pages for more information and options. |
| 22:08.32 | rtgg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.44 | rtgg | HisaoNakai: ;) |
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| 22:08.55 | rtgg | this is what he says |
| 22:08.56 | rtgg | hahahah |
| 22:08.57 | teraflops | fommil: nice |
| 22:09.04 | teraflops | uhm |
| 22:09.32 | fommil | teraflops: but the grub EFI didn't work... it was an option to boot from the vmlinuz so I wonder if maybe I'm in BIOS mode |
| 22:09.38 | teraflops | no matter how deep you mess up you can always reinstall |
| 22:09.40 | teraflops | osx* |
| 22:09.56 | HisaoNakai | rtgg: This is in man apt ? Not there in mine :( |
| 22:09.56 | joshu_ | I have a problem I've been trying to solve for about a week and although I thought I was close I still don't have a solution. I have two debian installs on two separate disks. I'm booted into debian on disk A and I have mounted disk B which has a debian install **minus** grub. I need to install grub on disk B. The problem is that disk B is mounted with unionfs and there is an upperdir which is RW and a lowerdir which is RO. |
| 22:10.21 | rtgg | HisaoNakai: no, just type "apt-get" at the shell |
| 22:10.22 | teraflops | fommil: do not use bios mode is quite rude and unnecessary |
| 22:10.27 | rtgg | at the end of command output |
| 22:10.31 | joshu_ | The RO dir has grub-install and RW has the boot/grub dir which is empty. |
| 22:10.32 | HisaoNakai | rtgg: oh lol |
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| 22:10.37 | teraflops | but you can do if you feel more confortable |
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| 22:11.00 | fommil | teraflops: well I'm not sure if it *is* BIOS mode yet, but it's the only way I can boot in to debian |
| 22:11.08 | fommil | teraflops: how can I check? |
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| 22:11.18 | teraflops | because you are usong refind i guess |
| 22:11.23 | d1z | wow do I really need to reboot in order to change nlockmgr's udp/tcp ports? really? do I really? Debian, what has happened to you? :*( |
| 22:11.28 | CarlFK | is there a better URL I can use to reference this line: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-apache/ssl-cert.git;a=blob;f=debian/postinst;h=77d66799645d05a6c5b4d7280486d90c264ef4c7;hb=refs/heads/master#l25 |
| 22:11.41 | centrx | d1z, seems unlikely |
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| 22:12.21 | joshu_ | I've tried mount binding /dev /proc /sys and /rw_dir to the unionfs dir then chroot unionfs dir and then grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sdb |
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| 22:12.33 | teraflops | fommil: by several ways, for example look the partition under linux with some utility |
| 22:12.41 | teraflops | partition* |
| 22:12.56 | centrx | CarlFK, Maybe http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-apache/ssl-cert.git;a=commitdiff;h=refs/heads/master |
| 22:13.04 | d1z | centrx, http://hydra.geht.net/tino/howto/linux/debian/knfsd/ |
| 22:13.24 | fommil | teraflops: ? |
| 22:13.45 | joshu_ | Grub installs without error, but when I boot the system I get the grub rescue mode and have to do this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9986eda902efef51af26 |
| 22:13.50 | d1z | that's the only page that I've found where the author had exactly the same problem I'm currently having (which is not being able to set a custom port for nlockmgr even though I've tried all the publicly available ways) |
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| 22:14.05 | CarlFK | centrx: I am trying to document where this file came from: /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem" |
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| 22:15.05 | teraflops | use gparted for example or parted or fdisk or cfdisk fommil |
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| 22:15.20 | fommil | gparted isn't installed teraflops |
| 22:15.34 | centrx | CarlFK, It is probably generated on installation? |
| 22:15.41 | teraflops | try cfdisk or parted |
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| 22:16.04 | teraflops | if complains and look at the messages |
| 22:16.15 | CarlFK | centrx: postinst maybe? ;) |
| 22:16.24 | teraflops | mbr/gpt related fommil |
| 22:16.38 | fommil | teraflops: (c)frisk does not work and (g)parted is not installed |
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| 22:17.12 | teraflops | cfdiks does not work, may be you are using efi |
| 22:17.36 | fommil | teraflops: I have a GPT and no MBR, does that mean I'm using EFI? |
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| 22:18.23 | teraflops | fommil: unstall gdisk |
| 22:18.27 | teraflops | install* |
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| 22:19.03 | fommil | teraflops: well, if I had wifi, that would be nice |
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| 22:19.24 | d1z | centrx, oh well it didn't at last |
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| 22:19.58 | teraflops | haha fommil |
| 22:20.06 | d1z | it worked by 'echo 3000 > /proc/sys/fs/nfs/nlm_udpport and nlm_tcpport |
| 22:20.08 | teraflops | look at the grub config |
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| 22:20.22 | teraflops | but seems to be in efi mode |
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| 22:21.10 | fommil | teraflops: I can see the grub config but have no idea how to tell |
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| 22:21.58 | teraflops | fommil: lol, if you are using bcm wifi chipset I bet you dont have wifi |
| 22:22.12 | fommil | teraflops: yup |
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| 22:22.25 | fommil | teraflops: currently trying to solve that problem. any quick hints? |
| 22:23.01 | teraflops | yeah fommil give me a minute |
| 22:23.06 | jhutchins | teraflops: fdisk -l |
| 22:23.22 | jhutchins | ER, I guess that's fommil |
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| 22:23.45 | dbb0 | what is the name of the module used for reading usb flash drives? |
| 22:24.06 | fommil | jhutchins: ? |
| 22:24.22 | dbb0 | i am on a custom kernel and I think it may be missing. |
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| 22:25.05 | jhutchins | dbb0: usb_storage |
| 22:25.19 | teraflops | fommil: does your wifi w¡chipset match whot the ones here? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-b43-installer |
| 22:25.42 | dbb0 | jhutchins: yep, i'm missing it. do you know roughly where it appears in menuconfig? |
| 22:25.49 | Brody | jhutchins so am i correct in thinking i should download the zip from this page and this will include my missing rt2561s.bin file? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ |
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| 22:26.14 | fommil | teraflops: when I tried to install the b45 installer it said I have an unsupported chipset. I also have the broadcom .o file and scratching my head |
| 22:26.34 | teraflops | try the b43 installer fommil |
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| 22:26.56 | teraflops | this is a blind shot but i think is the one you have |
| 22:27.24 | fommil | teraflops: that's the one that failed |
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| 22:27.55 | teraflops | yiu said b45 |
| 22:27.58 | teraflops | you* |
| 22:28.04 | jhutchins | dbb0: It's in the USB Device Class drivers section of the config file. You're not using a stock Debian kernel? |
| 22:29.00 | teraflops | well fommil at thos point youll need to lspci your wireless nick in order to install the proper driver/fw |
| 22:29.17 | jhutchins | fommil: Sorry, I forgot fdisk doesn't do gpt. |
| 22:29.20 | fommil | teraflops: 14e4 4331 |
| 22:29.39 | jhutchins | ,pciid 14e4:4331 |
| 22:29.40 | judd | [14e4:4331] is 'BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bcma' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4331 |
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| 22:30.02 | teraflops | yeats: jhutchins cgdisk |
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| 22:30.19 | teraflops | i meant yeah sorry yeats |
| 22:31.10 | teraflops | well fommil the bot did the hard work |
| 22:31.40 | jhutchins | We <3 judd. |
| 22:31.53 | teraflops | ;) |
| 22:31.58 | jhutchins | I notice it doesn't mention firmware. |
| 22:32.13 | teraflops | uhm |
| 22:32.19 | jhutchins | !bcma |
| 22:32.30 | jhutchins | !b43 |
| 22:32.30 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 22:34.11 | fommil | teraflops: I did a b43-fwcutter and extracted a bunch of files, including the ucode29 that the installer wanted |
| 22:34.24 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Say, I ran aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, it only removed one package and upgraded only four (those too from an external repository) o_o' |
| 22:34.47 | fommil | teraflops: but now i don't know how to install it all |
| 22:34.56 | mintgreen | What is it now with me |
| 22:34.56 | mintgreen | And is it as I have become? |
| 22:35.40 | mintgreen | Is there no state free from the boundary lines |
| 22:35.41 | mintgreen | Of before and after? The window is open today |
| 22:35.43 | teraflops | well afaik it seems to be the b43 |
| 22:35.47 | teraflops | well afaik it seems to be the b43 fommil |
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| 22:36.10 | fommil | teraflops: yup, seems to be, but loads of different chipsets there |
| 22:36.14 | teraflops | theres a package that do that automagically |
| 22:36.15 | centrx | HisaoNakai, How about aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 22:36.23 | jhutchins | !wl |
| 22:36.23 | dpkg | Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (wl, aka broadcom-sta) supports devices based on the BCM4312 LP-PHY and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225/43227/43228 chips. To install (amd64 and i386 only), see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", this driver creates wireless interfaces with the 'wlan' prefix (see NEWS.Debian.gz). Most chips are also supported by the open source <b43> and <brcmsmac> drivers. |
| 22:36.29 | teraflops | but im not sure because bcm sucks |
| 22:36.47 | teraflops | try to blacklist bcma fommil |
| 22:36.55 | teraflops | then install the package |
| 22:37.09 | teraflops | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-b43-installer |
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| 22:38.43 | Brody | So Ive gone round to a mates house in the rain and got another pen drive now. But Im not sure exactly which file to download and put on my pen drive. The installer says I need rt2561s.bin but can someone help me identify exactly which file to download please. There seems to be different version of it. |
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| 22:39.06 | teraflops | i always used the b43 propietary but you can try the other two just follow the wiki fommil |
| 22:39.09 | HisaoNakai | centrx: It wants to remove a package I need (says it 'depends on gtk2-engines-pixbuf which is a virtual package.'). If I reject that solution, no upgrade. |
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| 22:40.19 | centrx | HisaoNakai, What is the package you need? |
| 22:40.45 | HisaoNakai | centrx: calf-plugins, it's from an external repository (KXStudio). |
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| 22:42.10 | arthurfiggis | hello :) has anyone else had trouble with gnome-screenshot in wheezy? i press print-screen and it sounds as if everything works, but the dialog for gnome-screenshot to save the image never appears :( |
| 22:42.13 | centrx | HisaoNakai, There is a calf-plugins package in the Debian repositories? |
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| 22:43.06 | HisaoNakai | centrx: 1:0.0.19-1kxstudio2 vs 0.0.18.6-5 O_o |
| 22:43.37 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Testing has 0.0.19+git20131202-1 |
| 22:43.42 | mtn | arthurfiggis: have you looked in your Pictures folder? |
| 22:43.59 | centrx | HisaoNakai, https://packages.debian.org/calf-plugins |
| 22:44.20 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Strange, I got that from apt-cache showpkg :o |
| 22:44.23 | arthurfiggis | mtn: yep, refreshed it a few times...appears not to have changed :) but just in case something really weird is going on i'll check via console |
| 22:44.45 | centrx | HisaoNakai, If you still have stable in your sources.list, apt-cache will show those too |
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| 22:44.57 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Commented them o.o' |
| 22:45.06 | HisaoNakai | *Had them commented |
| 22:45.06 | mtn | arthurfiggis: not sure what you mean. clicking on the printscreen button takes a screenshot and puts it in our Pictures folder. |
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| 22:45.28 | centrx | ,v calf-plugins |
| 22:45.29 | judd | Package: calf-plugins on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.18.5-1+b1; wheezy: 0.0.18.6-5; jessie: 0.0.19+git20131202-1; sid: 0.0.19+git20131202-1 |
| 22:45.41 | centrx | HisaoNakai, Maybe in security? |
| 22:45.52 | arthurfiggis | mtn: ahh...well in my case it doesn't appear to be doing much of anything, no changes to the pictures folder :( |
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| 22:47.29 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Oh. I'm supremely confused as to what the recommended sources for each release are - I just copied the ones on https://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
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| 22:48.18 | centrx | HisaoNakai, That looks old. Testing Security is no more |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | it's there, just empty |
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| 22:49.04 | HisaoNakai | centrx: Oh. No wonder. So what's the line one should have? |
| 22:49.35 | fommil | assuming I get my wifi card working, how can I trigger the debian installer/curses menu to setup my wifi interface? |
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| 22:49.47 | centrx | HisaoNakai, deb http://http.debian.net/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | one really shouldn't point at 'testing' |
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| 22:51.02 | centrx | HisaoNakai, If you use "testing", it will track testing forever. If you use "jessie", it will stay on the stable release when jessie is released. |
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| 22:52.02 | teraflops | fommil: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 22:52.44 | fommil | teraflops: oh, I remember all this. I think I actually have the files somewhere. |
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| 22:52.55 | fommil | teraflops: still no joy with the driver though :-( |
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| 22:53.17 | teraflops | then try the other two fommil |
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| 22:53.45 | teraflops | but you dont provide error messages fommil |
| 22:53.59 | teraflops | thats hard to figure out |
| 22:54.28 | fommil | teraflops: well I would have to write it all by hand... the only error message worth printing is the PCI one above |
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| 22:54.48 | fommil | Unsupported device(s) found: PCI id 14e4:4331 |
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| 22:55.16 | fommil | teraflops: when this guy did it he got it to work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1987927 |
| 22:55.29 | fommil | teraflops: when i do the fw cutting, it doesn't do anything to dmesg |
| 22:55.50 | HisaoNakai | centrx: True. Also, added the line you gave - '1132 packages upgraded, 214 newly installed, 108 to remove and 121 not upgraded.', that seems like it :D |
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| 23:01.03 | bo1 | list *system* |
| 23:01.27 | bo1 | exit |
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| 23:02.48 | d3lxa | what's the prefered way to disable an entry in cron.d? chmod -x? suffix with something? |
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| 23:04.37 | nkuttler | d3lxa: comment it out? |
| 23:04.39 | dondelelcaro | d3lxa: if you just want to disable it temporarily, mv foo foo.disabled; or similar will do it for you |
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| 23:05.31 | zormit | hi. I cant remove a file (400) in a (700) directory. please see http://pastebin.com/ehvGNz6F for an example. how can i change/remove it? |
| 23:05.32 | d3lxa | dondelelcaro: is this documented somewhere? |
| 23:05.45 | dondelelcaro | d3lxa: yes, in man 8 cron; |
| 23:05.47 | fommil | I am doing a re-install of debian and I have firmware on a USB drive... but the installer doesn't seem to be able to see it. what do I need to do? |
| 23:05.59 | dondelelcaro | d3lxa: basically, anything witha period in the name will be ignored in that directory |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | zormit: is the filesystem read-only? |
| 23:06.52 | d3lxa | dondelelcaro: thank you very much :) |
| 23:07.03 | zormit | abrotman: no its not (you can see the mount command in the paste) |
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| 23:08.38 | zormit | I suppose it is somehow locked by a process, but I have never seen something like that. |
| 23:09.00 | zormit | if i create the same structure in another place, i can remove it without problems |
| 23:09.18 | dondelelcaro | zormit: what does lsattr; output for that file? |
| 23:09.32 | fommil | I can mount the firmware into a directory, but I don't know what debian installer is expecting? /media/usb ? |
| 23:09.34 | zormit | ----i----------- authorized_keys |
| 23:09.40 | zormit | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 23:09.41 | fommil | it has mounted the main USB image on /cdrom |
| 23:09.56 | dondelelcaro | zormit: and there you go. That file is immutable |
| 23:10.10 | dondelelcaro | zormit: setattr -i authorized_keys; and then rm authorized_keys; |
| 23:10.20 | dondelelcaro | zormit: but that sounds suspiciously like a rootkit |
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| 23:10.56 | zormit | dondelelcaro: oh sh**. thanks for pointing that out, i'll try to find more evidence on that. |
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| 23:12.07 | dondelelcaro | (or at least that someone managed to get access to that account and wanted to make it difficult to disable access to that account) |
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| 23:16.36 | earthian | Hello, I have flashed the standard debian 7.4 live cd iso to a usb disk. I plugged the usb into the headless server and the server does not come online... any ideas why? Maybe there is some prompt asking me to do something and maybe it is not live? |
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| 23:18.09 | miseria | "velocidad alrededor solar en k/h: tierra y luna 107000km, a esta velocidad nadie puede bajarse de un transbordador" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival* |
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| 23:19.34 | abrotman | nevermind ... |
| 23:19.40 | abrotman | was about to ban miseria |
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| 23:20.34 | xreal | Damn, replacing an updated DEB file to the debian installer is hell. Why are soo many steps needed? |
| 23:21.22 | dondelelcaro | xreal: in general, you don't need to bother, because it'll be updated very quickly during install |
| 23:21.46 | earthian | so does anybody have any experience with the debian live images? do they boot to a functioning system or to a debian installer or similar stuff? |
| 23:22.32 | dondelelcaro | earthian: they boot to a functional system |
| 23:23.13 | earthian | thanks. |
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| 23:25.06 | xreal | dondelelcaro: the problem: there's a nasty bug in preseed in wheezy (console-setup 1.88). it got fixed in 1.89, but that's SID... |
| 23:25.27 | dondelelcaro | xreal: ah; you mean replacing a udeb |
| 23:25.36 | xreal | dondelelcaro: ah? |
| 23:25.42 | xreal | dondelelcaro: don't know :) |
| 23:25.46 | xreal | dondelelcaro: .deb :) |
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| 23:26.59 | xreal | Interesting... current SID NetInstall has a bug. It hangs at "Scanning the CD-ROM". |
| 23:28.17 | fommil | omg, I managed to get the non free wifi drivers working... debian is installing on my 2013 iMac |
| 23:28.19 | fommil | :-D |
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| 23:29.01 | fommil | I grabbed them from ubuntu and put them in the /lib/firmware folder after dropping to the shell in the installer |
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| 23:32.00 | kwame | hey guys, I have a strange issue with wicd-gtk on testing ... version is 1.7.2.4-4.1 |
| 23:32.28 | kwame | the gui does connect me m to the wifi but it always stays at "connecting" even though it has obtained an ip and I'm able to use my wlan0 |
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| 23:34.02 | DoverMo | open-rc |
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| 23:34.34 | abrotman | DoverMo: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 23:34.52 | hanasaki | does gnome and/or kde in debian stable suport touch screens on a tablet and gestures like "pinch" and how well? |
| 23:35.01 | DoverMo | abrotman, thanks for the offer, i'm good |
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| 23:35.14 | Telejeesus | hi, can anyone help me with resizing RAID0 partition in OVH server ? |
| 23:35.23 | Greg22 | Hi.. I'm having a kind of an emergency here. I followed something on Google and it said I should do skill -kill root and I did so |
| 23:35.26 | Greg22 | now when I try to connect to my server |
| 23:35.29 | Greg22 | I get connection refused.. |
| 23:35.31 | Greg22 | Can someone please hlp |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | Greg22: That's the exact command you used? |
| 23:36.30 | Greg22 | pkill -KILL -u root |
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| 23:36.45 | Greg22 | I have access to the server through KVM abrotman |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | Greg22: so reboot it |
| 23:37.01 | Greg22 | That's it? |
| 23:37.12 | abrotman | Do you know what pkill -u root does? |
| 23:37.13 | Greg22 | I can't get it starting again without rebooting? |
| 23:37.15 | Greg22 | No not really |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:37.25 | Greg22 | Haha |
| 23:37.30 | Greg22 | Well, thank you |
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| 23:38.34 | Telejeesus | I have OVH server that used to have 2 x 1,5Tb drives in RAID0, now the WEB UI things there is still 2x1,5Tb drives even there is 2x2Tb and I need them in RAID0..can some one help |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | Seems like something you'd contact OVH about |
| 23:39.41 | Telejeesus | they just tell me to restart to rescue pro mode.. where I must do something..they don't advice more |
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| 23:40.22 | Telejeesus | I have search and tried everything that I have found on internet |
| 23:40.45 | Devastator | that still makes me think what it has to do with debian.. but.. |
| 23:41.08 | Telejeesus | I have Debian Wheezu on the server :) |
| 23:41.18 | Devastator | ah, ok |
| 23:41.30 | abrotman | But this isn't a problem with Debian |
| 23:41.45 | frostschutz | get a managed server instead, if you don't know how to do anything without a web ui... raid0, seriously? |
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| 23:43.20 | Telejeesus | I found guides how to install debian from scrath in rescue-pro mode, but nothing about RAID0 |
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| 23:43.47 | GoldStandard | ack, i wish there was a free alternative to iwlwifi firmware |
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| 23:53.15 | ExeciN | is there any video tracker application kinda like music trackers? |
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| 23:56.58 | xreal | Should this work? d-i preseed/late_command string in-target dpkg -i /pool/extras/*.deb |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | wtf is a music tracker? |
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| 23:57.31 | frostschutz | fasttrack II? |
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| 23:58.25 | fommil | CURSES! my wifi was working during the install, but on rebooting into my new system there is no trace of the wifi interface config or the network that I joined... is this normal?? |
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| 23:58.43 | xreal | abrotman: When have you been born? :p |
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| 23:58.49 | fommil | (sorry dropped off) |
| 23:58.54 | abrotman | looks at xreal |
| 23:59.04 | xreal | abrotman: You don't know Trackers? |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | You don't know my age? |
| 23:59.26 | xreal | abrotman: 1982 |
| 23:59.28 | xreal | (me) |
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