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| 00:01.00 | ZombB | Why is the package pidgin-otr missing in wheezy-backports on http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 00:01.05 | ZombB | ? |
| 00:01.45 | xreal | Does not work: d-i preseed/late_command string in-target dpkg -i /pool/extras/*.deb |
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| 00:03.45 | Brody | Im making real progress it seems with my debian install ! Currently configuring the network. it is asking for a domain name. I want this computer to eventually host my website. What is recommended for this step; make something up or not? |
| 00:04.14 | Devastator | Brody I would leave it blank for now |
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| 00:04.39 | abrotman | ZombB: the source package is there |
| 00:04.50 | abrotman | ZombB: as is the amd64 package |
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| 00:06.48 | ZombB | abrotman, but the i386 is missing |
| 00:07.02 | abrotman | so make it yourself .. |
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| 00:07.26 | ZombB | http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
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| 00:07.42 | ZombB | pidgin-otr is not contained there |
| 00:07.49 | ZombB | I do not undrstand why? |
| 00:07.54 | Devastator | abrotman should I point him to ssb? |
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| 00:09.55 | abrotman | Devastator: no ... the source packages are already there, he just has to make them |
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| 00:10.15 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin-otr/ or just get it from there |
| 00:10.15 | Devastator | ah, I see, even easier |
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| 00:17.52 | serban | Hi, I run wheezy stable, I need a wireless driver for intel 7620 which afai can see is available on jessie/sid. I assume i have to backport the kernel from jessie? is this secure enough? If yes please tell me, if not, please explain on how I could backport the jessie kernel to my system |
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| 00:18.30 | abrotman | serban: did you check the backports? |
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| 00:18.52 | xreal | This also doesnt work: d-i preseed/late_command string in-target dpkg -i /cdrom/pool/extras/*.deb |
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| 00:19.15 | jaami | hi, i cant set permission on a file i downloaded chmod does not work for root in terminal |
| 00:19.54 | centrx | jaami, Is there an error message? |
| 00:20.08 | jaami | centrx: there is no error message |
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| 00:20.17 | centrx | jaami, Why do you say it doesn't work? |
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| 00:20.21 | Brody | Im installing from a pen drive with internet. Ive successfully got to the detecting hardware phase. error message 'There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. Retry?' I dont understand why the installer is asking me this. |
| 00:20.33 | jaami | look like command execute successfully but attribues remain unchanged |
| 00:21.12 | jaami | i check with ls -l and all i see is dashes like this on left side ---------------- |
| 00:21.25 | centrx | jaami, What is the complete command you are running? |
| 00:21.26 | fluffywolf | anyone ever see a utility to forcefully create hardlinks on a fat32 filesystem? yes, it's unsupported, and a disk check will declare it broken, but it works... but I can't find a utility to easily do it. |
| 00:21.38 | jaami | just a second let me paste |
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| 00:22.04 | jaami | chmod -wrx -R android-sdk_r22.3-linux.tar |
| 00:22.26 | cafuego | jaami: that removes all perms, which is what you see it did. |
| 00:22.27 | serban | abrotman: I just found this one https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi . Problem is, I dont have any inet connection on the system(ethernet driver missing as well). I see this package also needs initrams-tools. Is there any quick way of downloading the package(s) locally? |
| 00:22.36 | centrx | jaami, You want to have it be a+rwx |
| 00:22.44 | centrx | jaami, Or probably more like o+rwx |
| 00:22.47 | petn-randall | xreal: abrotman is the original chtulhu, he was born before age was invented. |
| 00:22.55 | cafuego | Or actually like 640 |
| 00:23.06 | jaami | oki try again |
| 00:23.08 | centrx | Yes, basically anything other than -rwx |
| 00:23.11 | centrx | :) |
| 00:23.31 | cafuego | fluffywolf: echo C:\\WINDOWS > Windows.lnk ? |
| 00:23.47 | fluffywolf | HARDlink. |
| 00:24.02 | fluffywolf | two directory entries pointing at the same blocks... |
| 00:24.24 | cafuego | something something hexedit the FAT |
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| 00:24.44 | jaami | so plus + means add attributes and minus - means remove attributes, right? now it shows -------rwx |
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| 00:24.47 | fluffywolf | yeah, that's the non-easily solution. |
| 00:24.58 | cafuego | fluffywolf: I had no idea fat32 could do any links whatsoever beyond that .lnk awfulness. |
| 00:25.18 | jaami | centrx: so plus + means add attributes and minus - means remove attributes, right? now it shows -------rwx |
| 00:25.20 | cafuego | jaami: Did you run o+rwx? |
| 00:25.30 | jaami | no, let me do it |
| 00:25.33 | cafuego | jaami: that mean it's all perms for everyone bu the user or group. |
| 00:25.39 | fluffywolf | cafuego: officially, it can't, and chkdisk/dosfsck/etc will likely declare it broken and "fix" it. |
| 00:25.48 | cafuego | jaami: chmod 0644 filename |
| 00:25.59 | centrx | jaami, Oh wait, I meant u+rwx sorry |
| 00:26.01 | cafuego | jaami: that's read+write for user and read-ony for everyone else. |
| 00:26.18 | centrx | jaami, The numbers are good too |
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| 00:27.39 | jaami | yes, that worked :) |
| 00:27.49 | jaami | still x attribute is not there |
| 00:28.05 | jaami | chmod 0644 |
| 00:28.34 | jaami | oh ok u+rwx, i try again |
| 00:28.51 | centrx | u = user, g = group, o = other, a = all |
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| 00:29.23 | jaami | that worked fine |
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| 00:29.26 | jaami | :) |
| 00:30.05 | gnugnu8 | Can I let apt-get remove a package and if the package doesn't exist, prevent that it complains / fatally fails? |
| 00:30.12 | gnugnu8 | Or do I have to verify the package existence first? |
| 00:30.25 | jaami | thank you, centrx & cafuego |
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| 00:31.49 | centrx | gnugnu8, Maybe -y |
| 00:32.03 | centrx | gnugnu8, Look in man apt-get |
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| 00:32.51 | gnugnu8 | it still gives fatal using -y |
| 00:33.07 | jhutchins | gnugnu8: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 00:34.03 | gnugnu8 | jhutchins: there is a shell script which has to run idempotently, normally I would do this using a SCM, but in this case it is not possible. |
| 00:34.31 | gnugnu8 | jhutchins: apt-get autoremove --purge --yes user-setup |
| 00:34.47 | gnugnu8 | jhutchins: it will fail fatally (return code) if package user-setup does not exist |
| 00:34.51 | Brody | installing debian error; Install the base system. Debootstrap error, failed to determine the codename for the release. (this might be a problem from using unetbootin possibly?) Is it time to start again with win32 disk imager? |
| 00:35.04 | gnugnu8 | I want to let it fail quietly. |
| 00:35.34 | Dimtree1 | Hola |
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| 00:36.02 | jhutchins | gnugnu8: So yeah, test for the package, if package remove, else done. |
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| 00:38.23 | gnugnu8 | jhutchins: ok |
| 00:38.24 | gnugnu8 | thx |
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| 00:39.13 | gnugnu8 | I found a command which either returns successfully or not depending on if the package is installed or not. |
| 00:39.14 | gnugnu8 | dpkg-query --status user-setup |
| 00:39.22 | gnugnu8 | so I just wrap it into a condition |
| 00:39.32 | jhutchins | Yup, |
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| 00:41.25 | jaami | sorry again there is problem wih permissions, drwxr-x--- 8 root root 4096 Mar 3 21:36 tools |
| 00:41.46 | jaami | in file manager i see a lock and X on the folder |
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| 00:42.43 | jaami | the tools folder is locked , i ran this command root@abator:/home/jaami/android/sdk# chmod u+rwx -R tools/ |
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| 00:43.30 | jaami | what i should do to unlock the folder |
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| 00:46.27 | jaami | i dont see no msg, not sure if operators of this channel put ignore automatically for sometime |
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| 00:47.37 | katsumeblisk | I'm trying to setup X on a fresh install, and I can't get X to generate an xorg.conf |
| 00:47.39 | katsumeblisk | Suggestions? |
| 00:47.40 | jaami | this time chmod u+rwx -R tools/ is not working on tools folder |
| 00:48.14 | katsumeblisk | The error is "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." |
| 00:48.37 | jaami | centrx: please tell me more, need your help again |
| 00:48.39 | centrx | jaami, No it is just starting to be a quiet time on Freenode |
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| 00:49.01 | jaami | uh, thanks God you are there |
| 00:49.04 | centrx | jaami, Your file manager is probably under your user |
| 00:49.17 | jaami | hmm, you are right |
| 00:49.35 | jaami | what i should do to make file manager under root |
| 00:50.11 | jaami | i thought the chmod u+rwx -R tools/ unlock folder for user |
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| 00:52.28 | jaami | centrx: in terminal ls -l shows this |
| 00:52.30 | jaami | drwxr-x--- 8 root root 4096 Mar 3 21:36 tools |
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| 00:53.51 | jaami | i think i should delete folder and extract it again and copy to destination folder |
| 00:53.54 | centrx | jaami, Do the o+rwx |
| 00:53.58 | jaami | oh ok |
| 00:54.02 | Brody | well debian installer has claimed another 14 hours haha. i better get some sleep. current installing debian error as follows; Install the base system. Debootstrap error, failed to determine the codename for the release. (this might be a problem from using unetbootin possibly?) I think tomorrow i will start again with win32 disk imager. thankyou very much for the help today guys. |
| 00:54.20 | centrx | jaami, If you do start over, extract it as your local user instead of root |
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| 00:54.43 | centrx | Brody, Get a head start early tomorrow! |
| 00:54.58 | Brody | centrx :) |
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| 00:55.48 | jaami | centrx: o+rwx worked , so i learned another new thing |
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| 00:56.54 | jaami | centrx: thanks a lot, that is like 2 hours you saved |
| 00:56.59 | centrx | You are welcome |
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| 00:57.50 | katsumeblisk | I'm assuming no one knows how to configure X then? |
| 00:58.24 | centrx | Xorg -configure ? |
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| 00:58.41 | katsumeblisk | I get the error I described |
| 00:58.43 | centrx | katsumeblisk, Nowadays xorg.conf is generally not used |
| 00:58.51 | katsumeblisk | I can't get X to run |
| 00:58.53 | katsumeblisk | period |
| 00:58.53 | jaami | centrx: may i ask one more question, can i make something like batch file to run commands at one go. can you paste a sample script? |
| 00:58.56 | katsumeblisk | and I thought that'd fix it |
| 00:59.00 | addaitech | Xorg --config |
| 00:59.31 | centrx | jaami, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.1 |
| 00:59.45 | jaami | oh okay , :) thanks again |
| 00:59.56 | katsumeblisk | When I run "Xorg -configure", I get the error "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." |
| 01:00.25 | katsumeblisk | The wiki doesn't say what to do when that happens even though it mentions that error |
| 01:00.34 | YamakasY | someone known with rubygems and installing them ? |
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| 01:03.34 | dbb0 | i just installed 7.4.0 amd64 with netinstall, and on first boot grub throws this error: file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found, then drops to rescue mode |
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| 01:03.57 | dbb0 | the installer didnt warn me about any issues when installing grub to the MBR |
| 01:04.10 | centrx | dbb0, What does dpkg -l grub-pc-bin say ? |
| 01:04.43 | dbb0 | centrx i cant boot so i dont have a shell |
| 01:05.04 | centrx | dbb0, Then what do you mean by "rescue mode" ? |
| 01:05.13 | centrx | or is that a grub shell of some sort |
| 01:05.19 | dbb0 | grub drops to a "grub rescue>" mode |
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| 01:06.56 | dbb0 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting doesnt seem to help |
| 01:07.05 | dbb0 | the commands listed for rescue mode dont work |
| 01:07.26 | dbb0 | is it possible to reinstall grub from the netinst image? |
| 01:08.18 | centrx | dbb0, You can use the netinst to boot up |
| 01:08.41 | centrx | dbb0, You can go to console from it with Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 01:08.46 | dvs | and enter rescue mode |
| 01:09.10 | centrx | dbb0, Not sure from there what you would do |
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| 01:12.26 | FareWell | dim: BTW, if you have specific gripes about less-than-useful UIOP docstrings, report them as bugs, and I'll fix. |
| 01:12.41 | FareWell | (just updated the docstring for RESTORE-IMAGE) |
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| 01:13.05 | dbb0 | centrx i reinstalled grub and dropped to a shell, then mounted my root fs to investigate the grub folder |
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| 01:13.55 | dbb0 | that /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod file does not exist still |
| 01:14.11 | dbb0 | i don't even know why i need it considering its an amd64 system |
| 01:14.38 | centrx | I think that is the just the naming scheme |
| 01:14.45 | centrx | My amd64 has it, and no amd64 directory |
| 01:14.46 | FareWell | you'll be amazed at the complexity of legacy systems. Does it need 32-bit mode to access some boot services? |
| 01:14.55 | centrx | So i386 in this case must mean all x86 |
| 01:15.05 | dbb0 | then that sounds like a bug to me. |
| 01:15.08 | centrx | dbb0, The normal.mod file is in grub-pc-bin |
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| 01:15.43 | centrx | dbb0, The grub packages I have installed are: grub-common, grub-pc, grub-pc-bin, grub2-common |
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| 01:17.05 | dbb0 | centrx i chrooted to my system and all those packages are installed |
| 01:17.17 | gnugnu8 | What can I use instead of '/var/lock/subsys/' ? |
| 01:18.05 | centrx | weird |
| 01:18.21 | centrx | dbb0, What was the URL for the installer you used? |
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| 01:19.07 | dbb0 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 01:21.50 | centrx | dbb0, And nothing unusual happened during installation? |
| 01:21.53 | dbb0 | no |
| 01:21.57 | centrx | dbb0, Did you you perhaps reboot too soon? |
| 01:22.10 | dbb0 | no, the installer rebooted |
| 01:22.26 | dbb0 | could it be that i booted the image from USB rather than an actual disc? |
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| 01:23.01 | dbb0 | i chrooted, ran dpkg-reconfigure and update-grub, still no i386 dir |
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| 01:23.25 | centrx | dbb0, Can you dpkg --purge the grub packages and then re-install them? |
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| 01:27.08 | cmhobbs | has anyone gotten debian running on a "mid 2011" mac mini? if so, can you point me to any resources to get that sort of setup going? |
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| 01:29.13 | dbb0 | centrx |
| 01:29.22 | centrx | Yes |
| 01:29.23 | dbb0 | did that still no i386 folder |
| 01:29.48 | dbb0 | i'm just going to re download and re-install. if the same thing happens I'll report a bug |
| 01:29.58 | centrx | Sounds good |
| 01:30.44 | abrotman | cmhobbs: i386 or ppc? |
| 01:30.55 | dvs | who? |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | I guess that would be amd64 |
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| 01:31.00 | cmhobbs | abrotman, i386 (intel core i5) |
| 01:31.10 | abrotman | cmhobbs: seems like you'd just install and it would work ? |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cmhobbs about firmware images |
| 01:31.54 | cmhobbs | that's the hope |
| 01:31.57 | cmhobbs | i don't want to brick this thing |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | brick? |
| 01:32.02 | cmhobbs | i figured there'd be something wacky with the bootloader, though |
| 01:32.18 | cmhobbs | yeah, make it unusable |
| 01:32.22 | centrx | brick = make it as valuable as a paper weight |
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| 01:34.05 | abrotman | I know what brick means .. |
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| 01:59.38 | sssilver | Hello guys |
| 01:59.54 | sssilver | I am trying to install Debian on my PC, and I don't mind it being a little unstable |
| 01:59.59 | sssilver | what version must I download? |
| 02:00.27 | sssilver | testing maybe? |
| 02:00.59 | vimel | most ppl say that you want to install stable then change repos to testing, followed by an apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 02:01.12 | sssilver | I see, OK |
| 02:01.16 | sssilver | thanks for the tip! |
| 02:01.56 | vimel | i installed from a testing cd 1 and everything worked out fine. just do what is recommended by experts here, is what i would recommend also. |
| 02:01.59 | vimel | sssilver: np |
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| 02:26.45 | serban | i have no internet ethernet nor wifi on wheezy stable. Is there a way I can upgrade to jessie using usb? |
| 02:27.24 | serban | erm, the usb livecd iso |
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| 02:28.56 | miner23 | need quick help on getting wireless going on squeeze. model is Realtek RTL8188CUS. installed the drivers but modprobe does not find them. thoughts? |
| 02:29.10 | abrotman | Use wheezy? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | serban: you likely need fitrmware |
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| 02:29.56 | miner23 | can't upgrade unfortunatly. |
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| 02:31.35 | miner23 | how can i list what apt installed, ie. installed firmware-realtek so want to see what files it added so i can try those |
| 02:31.46 | miner23 | in case the kernel module is named something other than what i've tried |
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| 02:32.46 | centrx | miner23, dpkg -L |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | miner23: why not? |
| 02:32.57 | miner23 | cool. thnaks. |
| 02:33.03 | miner23 | using smos-linux |
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| 02:33.16 | miner23 | so need to keep it standardized |
| 02:33.19 | serban | abrotman: got firmware-iwlwifi using apt-offline from my other computer, wifi still not working. I just actually need ethernet |
| 02:33.24 | miner23 | should work - im' jsut missing something |
| 02:33.27 | serban | or any form of internet:)) |
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| 02:49.57 | abrotman | serban: lspci -nn .. what is your wired network card? |
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| 02:59.44 | Moor | Um, small question? Why would there be a package in stable, but not testing? |
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| 03:00.10 | dvs | Moor: Because it's been replaced by another package? |
| 03:00.40 | Moor | ... but it's also in unstable. |
| 03:00.43 | centrx | Moor, 1) Package was removed from testing temporarily, 2) Packages was removed from the repository for all future releases |
| 03:00.49 | Moor | (here: https://packages.debian.org/stable/gtk3-engines-unico ) |
| 03:01.03 | centrx | Moor, Sometimes packages are removed from testing to help other packages get migrated to testing. It will re-appear in testing later |
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| 03:01.16 | centrx | Moor, Among other reasons |
| 03:01.46 | Moor | Yeah, that seemed like most likely out of the two. Where should I look to find that information if I come across other packages? |
| 03:02.02 | Moor | And, is there any safe way to get it in the meantime? |
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| 03:03.53 | centrx | Moor, You could, but it looks like it was removed because of a critical bug |
| 03:04.03 | centrx | Moor, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706330 |
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| 03:04.38 | themill | Moor: if the bug that caused it to be removed from testing does not worry you, you can pull the package from unstable |
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| 04:02.48 | dvs | yay |
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| 04:12.10 | homecable | how do i install nvidia drivers ? |
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| 04:15.21 | SirLagz | homecable: nvidia's drivers or packaged ones from the Repos ? |
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| 04:15.54 | homecable | witch is best or newer ? |
| 04:16.22 | SirLagz | nvidia's ones are generally newer |
| 04:16.29 | SirLagz | well. they are newer |
| 04:16.47 | SirLagz | homecable: are you using Debian Stable ? |
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| 04:17.38 | homecable | yeah |
| 04:17.40 | homecable | stable |
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| 04:27.34 | SirLagz | should be as easy as download, make the installer executable, stop X, run the installer, and start X again |
| 04:28.16 | SirLagz | homecable: ^ |
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| 05:16.09 | zefie | i'm having a bizarre issue with wheezy, i have an lvm with root and swap partitions, the initramfs cannot find root, i ls /dev/vgname and it sees the swap lvm partition but not root. ubuntu livecd sees it, fsck passed. |
| 05:17.03 | dondelelcaro | zefie: is it on the same pv? |
| 05:17.13 | dondelelcaro | zefie: and same volume group? |
| 05:17.24 | zefie | dondelelcaro: yes, and yes |
| 05:17.50 | zefie | well, root spans two pv actually. but same vg |
| 05:17.59 | zefie | its also in a kvm if that matters |
| 05:19.11 | dondelelcaro | zefie: OK; it shouldn't really make a difference... and both physical volumes are there? |
| 05:19.25 | dondelelcaro | zefie: does vgscan; output anything useful? |
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| 05:22.43 | zefie | vgscan works on ubuntu but then again ubuntu can find the root partition. i cant get into my debian install to try anything outside of initramfs, or chrooting under ubuntu |
| 05:23.28 | tomodachi | zefie: do you pass the proper root= to your kernel? |
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| 05:24.43 | dondelelcaro | zefie: lvm vgscan; is in the initramfs |
| 05:24.46 | zefie | update-grub passes a uuid. however the problem is if you ls /dev/chie (chie is my vg), there is only /dev/chie/swap. on ubuntu, there is /dev/chie/root and /dev/chie/swap, so my attempt to pass /dev/chie/root fails obviously |
| 05:24.56 | zefie | okay let me reboot back to the initrd |
| 05:25.19 | dondelelcaro | (as is lvm lvs; which should list the other lv) |
| 05:26.04 | dondelelcaro | my personal guess is either that both pv aren't there, or that it's not a backwards compatible lv... but it'd be hard to say |
| 05:26.33 | zefie | the weird part is it was working fine, until i accidently killed the (Wrong) kvm process |
| 05:26.42 | zefie | but fsck -f on ubuntu reports the fs is fine |
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| 05:27.39 | zefie | lvm vgscan -v on the initramfs is acting fine, no errors, just pretending root volume doesnt exist |
| 05:28.03 | zefie | initramfs does see both pv |
| 05:29.46 | zefie | lvm lvs sees root |
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| 05:31.21 | zefie | "LV Status: NOT available" |
| 05:32.34 | dondelelcaro | zefie: OK |
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| 05:33.04 | dondelelcaro | zefie: and presumably vgchange -ay; will activate that lv? |
| 05:33.25 | Okee | Anyone know what the story is with the LInux channel? i get an error message indicating that I can't send a message. Is that channel being voiced? |
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| 05:34.15 | dondelelcaro | Okee: you have to be registered to talk on that channel. /msg nickserv help; for details |
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| 05:34.44 | Okee | I am already registered, and my client registers me automatically with every login. |
| 05:34.56 | kzrl | \quit |
| 05:35.08 | Zharf | you're not logged in |
| 05:35.12 | zefie | dondelelcaro: progress, it does change it to available, until i reboot |
| 05:35.19 | Zharf | now you are |
| 05:35.20 | Zharf | ;) |
| 05:35.21 | dondelelcaro | zefie: okie dokie |
| 05:35.23 | okee | Hmm. I just identified, so I am wondering if something is wrong with the XChat client? |
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| 05:35.54 | dondelelcaro | zefie: so that will at least get you to boot into wheezy |
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| 05:36.52 | dondelelcaro | zefie: now, as for why it's not being activated at boot, that's a bit more complicated |
| 05:37.12 | zefie | sorry, i never booted from initramfs so im looking it up |
| 05:37.50 | dondelelcaro | zefie: in theory, you should just be able to exit the initramfs once the root filesystem is there |
| 05:38.03 | dondelelcaro | you might have to mount it too; I can't remember |
| 05:38.07 | zefie | just mount it over the existing /? |
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| 05:38.53 | zefie | nevermind it picked it up |
| 05:39.05 | dondelelcaro | no, it gets mounted somewhere else, and then the initramfs pivots |
| 05:39.09 | dondelelcaro | but apparently it just does it itself |
| 05:42.03 | zefie | thanks for the help, at least the server is back up, i'll figure out longterm another time |
| 05:42.25 | dondelelcaro | no problem |
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| 05:42.47 | dondelelcaro | not sure why it's not being activated early; it's possible that vgchange -aay is being called too early... |
| 05:43.26 | zefie | it all worked before i accidently killed the kvm (equiv of pulling the plug right?) everything was set up by debian installer |
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| 05:51.26 | dondelelcaro | hrm; yeah, not sure |
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| 06:10.21 | Axioplase | Hi. |
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| 06:10.28 | nell | I'm having issues with libav |
| 06:10.33 | nell | i need libavformat headers |
| 06:10.38 | nell | im on wheezy |
| 06:10.45 | nell | how do I make sure I have correct libav |
| 06:12.52 | Axioplase | I've recently updated my SID, and I can't authenticate anymore in gnome. All auths fail: gdm to log in, thunderbird saying my passzord wasn't given at log in time (I had to log in by running startx), or synaptics when it asks for my password. The problem looks like that: when I click yes/ok/authenticate, the password windows becomes gray, and nothing happens. All I can do is click "cancel" and stop the auth procedure... Is anyone else experien |
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| 06:13.22 | nell | http://pastebin.com/zeMRwp68 |
| 06:15.43 | centrx | nell, Looks like you installed a package of libavformat53 from somewhere else |
| 06:16.06 | centrx | nell, You could uninstall that and reinstall the version in the Debian repository |
| 06:16.08 | nell | http://pastebin.com/EHv9McCb |
| 06:16.13 | nell | this is my configure sceript |
| 06:16.18 | nell | okay uninstall libavformat53? |
| 06:16.20 | nell | purge? |
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| 06:16.37 | centrx | nell, Yes |
| 06:17.06 | nell | Oh fuck |
| 06:17.09 | nell | oh fuck |
| 06:17.15 | nell | bad. |
| 06:17.18 | nell | bad bad. |
| 06:17.22 | centrx | What? |
| 06:17.27 | nell | its removing so much |
| 06:17.33 | centrx | dpkg --purge |
| 06:17.34 | dpkg | centrx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:17.39 | nell | fuck |
| 06:17.44 | nell | its removing everything |
| 06:17.50 | nell | FUCK |
| 06:18.05 | centrx | nell It can be installed again |
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| 06:19.25 | nell | its removing kde |
| 06:19.30 | nell | and all my config files |
| 06:19.32 | nell | O_O |
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| 06:20.05 | centrx | Can't you just cancel it? |
| 06:20.15 | centrx | One package will be left in a broken state and you can reinstall that |
| 06:20.37 | nell | no |
| 06:20.40 | nell | dude |
| 06:20.42 | nell | this fucked me |
| 06:20.48 | nell | OH FUCk |
| 06:20.50 | nell | i feel sick |
| 06:21.12 | centrx | Sorry, I thought you meant dpkg --purge |
| 06:21.26 | centrx | nell, I think you can cancel it |
| 06:21.30 | nell | i did |
| 06:21.31 | nell | but its too late now |
| 06:21.36 | centrx | thinks apt-get remove removing all reverse dependencies should never have been invented |
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| 06:23.54 | centrx | nell, apt-get install, it's just a few setting |
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| 06:25.25 | potatoceleron | likes apt, a lot, but hates that it's generally like "we'll tell you what you can remove!" |
| 06:25.41 | centrx | Doesn't it ask before removing too |
| 06:25.42 | potatoceleron | there's always rm, but apt makes it less reliably |
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| 06:25.47 | nell | yeah it did |
| 06:25.49 | nell | ask |
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| 06:25.52 | nell | but i didnt see |
| 06:25.57 | nell | i have it in multiplexer |
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| 06:26.30 | potatoceleron | i've edited the apt lists so i can remove things i want to. i don't do it very much. |
| 06:27.04 | nell | I FUCKED IT |
| 06:27.07 | nell | SHIT |
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| 06:27.22 | SirLagz | nell: what did you break ? |
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| 06:27.33 | centrx | "It looks like you're installing some packages. Would you like to delete some totally unrelated packages?" |
| 06:27.38 | nell | yeah |
| 06:27.42 | nell | lemme show you a screen shot |
| 06:28.00 | SirLagz | i haven't really had that happen all that often. But then again I always check what I'm removing before I actually remove it |
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| 06:29.03 | SirLagz | and if I'm unsure, I dump a list of packages that are going to be removed before I go and remove things |
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| 06:29.26 | nell | http://a.pomf.se/cetixn.png |
| 06:29.31 | nell | Look what happened |
| 06:29.35 | nell | I'm so screwed !! |
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| 06:30.21 | centrx | KDE sucks anyway |
| 06:30.33 | nell | I LIKE IT. |
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| 06:30.52 | SirLagz | nell: just reinstall all of those packages ? |
| 06:31.00 | centrx | Okay, can you copy and paste all those packages, remove the stars, and then install them with apt-get install ? |
| 06:31.05 | nell | I have held broken packages |
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| 06:32.10 | nell | http://a.pomf.se/iqxlkw.png |
| 06:32.34 | centrx | Don't do autoremove... |
| 06:32.41 | nell | I didn't |
| 06:32.48 | centrx | try dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:32.50 | nell | but what do I even install first now |
| 06:32.51 | SirLagz | nell: what happens if you just try to install dolphin ? |
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| 06:33.03 | nell | I did that centrx |
| 06:33.07 | nell | nothing happened |
| 06:33.17 | vimel | nell: ive been in your shoes with a libc6 issue. sux. |
| 06:33.21 | nell | I have unmet dependencies SirLagz |
| 06:33.27 | SirLagz | nell: what dependencies ? |
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| 06:33.39 | nell | kde-runtime, libk |
| 06:33.43 | SirLagz | vimel: I've been in a similar situation too...and then I broke tar as well lol |
| 06:33.48 | SirLagz | nell: what happens if you install those ? |
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| 06:33.54 | nell | more unmet dependencies!! |
| 06:33.58 | nell | T_T |
| 06:34.05 | SirLagz | nell: and then what happens if you install those dependencies ? |
| 06:34.12 | vimel | SirLagz: things got much better since I took your advice and went to Jessie ;b |
| 06:34.40 | SirLagz | vimel: awesome :) |
| 06:34.49 | SirLagz | vimel: what were you doing again ? I don't remember....lol |
| 06:35.17 | SirLagz | nell: did you cancel the removal of things ? |
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| 06:35.56 | vimel | SirLagz: I wanted to have a gaming / entertainment / productivity machine. a bunch of naysayers made it seem as Jessie was not the way to go. I can say that from my experience with Jessie. Shes just about ready for prime time. |
| 06:36.06 | SirLagz | vimel: ah that's right |
| 06:36.24 | SirLagz | I'm using sid for my gaming / entertainment / productivity machine and it runs fine :D |
| 06:36.30 | SirLagz | just gotta be a bit more careful when it comes to package updates |
| 06:36.38 | nell | yeah SirLagz |
| 06:36.42 | nell | i canceled it |
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| 06:36.47 | SirLagz | nell: that's what broke the dependencies then |
| 06:37.05 | SirLagz | nell: you'll need to trace the dependencies back to its roots |
| 06:37.11 | SirLagz | and then start reinstalling things from there |
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| 06:37.52 | vimel | SirLagz: i even switched over to systemd on this box. rebooted just fine. i was hoping for no breakage and got it. |
| 06:38.14 | SirLagz | vimel: nice |
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| 06:40.46 | potatoceleron | apt is the worst package system there is (except for all the other ones) |
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| 06:41.15 | SirLagz | I haven't had any issues with apt. apart from the time when I broke tar lol |
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| 06:41.51 | potatoceleron | break tar? no problem. just download the latest, untar the source... |
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| 06:42.00 | SirLagz | potatoceleron: hahah. exactly. :P |
| 06:42.06 | nell | T_T |
| 06:42.07 | SirLagz | I ended up just reinstalling |
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| 06:42.13 | SirLagz | it was a new install that I broke anyway |
| 06:43.17 | SirLagz | don't even remember how I broke tar now |
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| 06:45.31 | nell | should i restart |
| 06:46.16 | nell | is there a way to undo |
| 06:46.19 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 06:46.19 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 06:46.26 | nell | lol.. |
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| 06:48.31 | GoldStandard | i'm getting a blank screen instead of a login screen on boot |
| 06:48.37 | GoldStandard | any ideas? |
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| 06:48.44 | GoldStandard | my graphics is integrated |
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| 06:48.53 | GoldStandard | intel |
| 06:48.54 | SirLagz | GoldStandard: ctrl-alt-F1 - does that get you to a tty ? |
| 06:49.48 | GoldStandard | sirlagz unsure, i would have to reboot unfortunately |
| 06:50.31 | AGinsberg | GoldStandard: Why? |
| 06:50.45 | GoldStandard | aginsberg i rebooted into ubuntu |
| 06:50.50 | GoldStandard | I am considering switching to debian |
| 06:50.54 | GoldStandard | i'm booting off a live usb |
| 06:51.42 | GoldStandard | if i hadn't rebooted i couldn't chat in this channel |
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| 07:14.06 | nell | im fixing my packages now.. |
| 07:14.08 | nell | all is not lost |
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| 07:18.08 | flos | Hi, what's the differece between hostname and 'numeric form of the host name' ? |
| 07:18.58 | jennie | I am in debian and trying to do exact same thing and having exact same problem, any solutions please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1998543 |
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| 07:24.11 | potatoceleron | jennie, if your file manager has an option to not follow links... (mc has this, it's command-line only but relatively reliable) |
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| 07:24.53 | jennie | I am using nautilus |
| 07:24.58 | potatoceleron | i'm always appalled at how many file mangers choke on links i didn't even put in the system. makes backups annoying |
| 07:25.13 | potatoceleron | let me check if nautilus (good program) has the option |
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| 07:26.44 | potatoceleron | when i run into these problems with a graphical file manager, i just go INTO the folder i want to copy, and copy its subfolders in small groups |
| 07:27.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm starting to think that "recommends" isn't really used in a sane way |
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| 07:27.22 | potatoceleron | there really should be a better way, but i'm not convinced there is (but i do have this problem less with mc than any other file manager) |
| 07:27.26 | SerajewelKS | i fail to see how installing a QR code encode/decode QT frontend program means i want the QT4 designer... |
| 07:28.01 | potatoceleron | it hasn't been the same since they put amazon in charge of apt recommends |
| 07:28.12 | potatoceleron | people who installed this package also installed... |
| 07:28.29 | SerajewelKS | "you want this python QT application? then you need the python QT library. so you need the QT4 development headers. since you installed that, you probably want the QT4 designer, right?" |
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| 07:29.54 | SerajewelKS | a great tool would walk the dependency tree for a particular package, all the way down, and stop on any "recommends" and print those out |
| 07:30.17 | SirLagz | SerajewelKS: could always write your own frontend to dpkg. |
| 07:30.24 | SerajewelKS | so that i can see the closest-to-top-level recommends (for example this would exclude packages recommended by recommended packages) and decide if i want those |
| 07:30.28 | SerajewelKS | SirLagz: i might have to |
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| 07:30.42 | SirLagz | well when you do, I'd love to try it out |
| 07:30.49 | SerajewelKS | i'm building a live cd, and some of the recommends are nice, and some are really fucking ridiculous |
| 07:30.57 | SirLagz | lol |
| 07:31.04 | potatoceleron | yeah and if you do it in curses or something, that would be sweet (or really, any python program...) |
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| 07:31.35 | SerajewelKS | if i turn off apt-recommends then i get a barely-usable system. so i need something between the two, but there isn't really a sane way to get a list of packages that differs between the two. |
| 07:31.56 | SerajewelKS | i can get an actual complete list, but it's not useful because it would included packages depended on by the recommended packages, for example |
| 07:32.34 | SerajewelKS | would include* |
| 07:32.42 | potatoceleron | the hierarchy needs to be rated by how many degrees from your package is recommended |
| 07:32.43 | SirLagz | as long I can still use command line commands lol |
| 07:33.12 | SerajewelKS | the output could include that yeah |
| 07:33.18 | SerajewelKS | or just show the whole chain |
| 07:33.23 | potatoceleron | like instead of just turning it on or off, you could select max-depth like the find command does |
| 07:33.36 | SerajewelKS | qt4-designer recommended by libqt4-dev depended on by python-qt4 depended on by qtqr |
| 07:33.40 | SerajewelKS | something like that |
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| 07:33.49 | nell | hey guys |
| 07:33.53 | nell | i avoided catastrophe |
| 07:33.58 | nell | debian rebuilt itself |
| 07:34.00 | nell | :D |
| 07:34.28 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'll ask later when there are more people here if such a tool already exists |
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| 07:36.10 | cast | i achieve between the two by selectively using aptitude -R, though i agree thats not the best solution...that said nowdays i define the packages to be installed [or not installed] via salt |
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| 07:37.56 | nell | http://pastebin.com/E9CAmrXx does any of this look kinda important |
| 07:39.23 | xhc_[slovakia] | hellou .. I am trying find . name "*.mp3" -exec genisoimage -o cd.iso {} \; but this doesnt work |
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| 07:39.45 | cast | nell: nothing that would concern me...if it does turn out to be a problem doing the inverse operation will be trivial |
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| 07:40.38 | cast | xhc_[slovakia]: did you mean -name? |
| 07:40.54 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: yes -name |
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| 07:41.42 | spaghetti | buongiorno |
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| 07:44.23 | cast | xhc_[slovakia]: what happens? do you end up with an iso with a single mp3? |
| 07:45.00 | nell | What the hell debian, I'm back to the same problem after that horrible episode http://pastebin.com/6GEU1rNZ |
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| 07:45.32 | nell | I'm on wheezy right now too, and my packages are still appear broken |
| 07:45.35 | nell | even after purging |
| 07:45.46 | nell | more than just purging, I threw up so much else with it.. |
| 07:45.52 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: yes it makes only 1 mp3 in iso |
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| 07:46.57 | pinggggg | hi |
| 07:46.59 | cast | xhc_[slovakia]: i think what is happening is that genisoimage is being run N times with a single mp3 file as an argument [where N is the number of mp3 files] |
| 07:47.25 | nell | I need an updated libav or something |
| 07:47.35 | nell | or else I screw up my whole desktop environment again... |
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| 07:48.31 | Syntaxerror | oh great >.> |
| 07:48.54 | cast | i haven't burnt an ISO for years, though when i used to i'd make a tmpdir, cp -l the candidate files in and use akin to geniso -o cd.iso -R -J tmp/ |
| 07:48.59 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: there are all mp3 in logs of genisoimage which are in progress, but final iso is only with one mp3 |
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| 07:49.06 | pinggggg | I want to count total row of each table in database db, >select count(*) from table_name,,,,a lot of table name with >show tables; how can i count it in one time? thanks MYSQL database |
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| 07:49.25 | Syntaxerror | I had an "aptitude upgrade" running over night because it had to resolve 'some' dependencies. Had it running on SCREEN so I could look at it in work today |
| 07:49.48 | Syntaxerror | and what do I have to see? It finished and then "aborted" on the question if it should continue :( |
| 07:50.06 | cast | you could try using find -exec with {} + instead of {} \; |
| 07:50.27 | potatoceleron | i like how the ubuntu dist-upgrade always added kde desktop for me, even though i use a simple wm |
| 07:50.39 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: yes + runs, thnx ) |
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| 07:50.50 | Syntaxerror | Is there an option to disable the timeout for questions from aptitude? |
| 07:51.07 | potatoceleron | and also kde 4 rarely even runs for me. the dm is awesome though |
| 07:51.12 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: what means + ? |
| 07:51.43 | cast | xhc_[slovakia]: see the manpage, 'the command line is built by appending each selected file name at the end;' |
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| 07:53.50 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: excuse me, manpage of which program? :-) |
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| 07:55.30 | cast | xhc_[slovakia]: ahh, `man find` describes -exec |
| 07:55.40 | xhc_[slovakia] | cast: thnx |
| 07:56.11 | xhc_[slovakia] | casthave a nice day, ciao) |
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| 08:26.37 | Naked_ | hello! I have a Debian system with systemd. Systemd handles LUKS encrypted drives and has mounted them. Now, I edited /etc/cryptcab and added more drives - how do I make systemd activate these new drives as well? systemctl start cryptsetup.target does nothing |
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| 08:29.32 | nkn__ | Hello, When making a shared library, let us say the library version is 3.0.0, shoud the library name be libfoo3 or libfoo? What is the standard used in Debian and other systems? |
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| 08:33.39 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, with deb-installer finds all the debs, but can't access them? d-i preseed/late_command string in-target dpkg -i /cdrom/pool/extras/*.deb |
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| 08:35.00 | nell | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.01 | nell | is qt4 |
| 08:35.05 | nell | I'm on debian squeeze |
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| 08:38.42 | Syntaxerror | Is there an option to disable the timeout for questions from aptitude? |
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| 08:40.00 | cadfael | I want to build/install "mpdviz", written in Go. Not found in the Debian repos, but is found in the Arch AUR repos. My own efforts at compile have ended in errors. Are there any guides/advice for Debian users wanting to build pkgs only found in AUR? |
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| 08:41.00 | Syntaxerror | Is this adviceable? alias apt-get='aptitude' |
| 08:41.39 | xand | that's not gonna work |
| 08:41.40 | babilen | Syntaxerror: No, not at all. |
| 08:42.23 | Syntaxerror | hrm.... but I can't use "apt-get update" as an alias for "aptitude update" |
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| 08:42.34 | Syntaxerror | (the same goes for install and upgrade) |
| 08:43.05 | Syntaxerror | [aptitude is way better with recommends and detecting unused libraries] |
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| 08:48.25 | xreal | Anyone with an idea? |
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| 08:56.57 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I've a problem with the ntpd. |
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| 08:59.46 | bytecounter | Syslog said ntpdate[2276]: adjust time server 192.168.42.1 offset 0.164269 sec |
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| 09:00.08 | bytecounter | But time is January, 14th 2000. |
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| 09:00.38 | bytecounter | 192.168.42.1 is my router (FritzBox) and time on this unit is correct |
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| 09:01.22 | cast | any ideas how to get my SSD out of its frozen state |
| 09:01.30 | cast | hdparm -w failed |
| 09:02.50 | finga | i try adding the webmin repo via puppet, but i get following error while 'apt-get update': Failed to fetch http://download.webmin.com/download/repository/dists/sarge/Release Unable to find expected entry 'contrib/source/Sources' in Release file (wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 09:04.25 | cast | finga: and what was your puppet code? |
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| 09:06.13 | finga | cast: what do you mean? |
| 09:06.37 | bytecounter | And ntp isn't opened on my fritzbox |
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| 09:16.56 | jelly | bytecounter: what does ntpdate -q 192.168.42.1 say? |
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| 09:18.05 | jelly | bytecounter: over even ntpdate -dq 192.168.42.1 |
| 09:18.11 | jelly | or* even |
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| 09:22.24 | seksifemale | hi |
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| 09:22.56 | nell | http://a.pomf.se/laefaf.png |
| 09:23.00 | nell | i still have libav issues |
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| 09:23.43 | nell | I'm on debian wheezy |
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| 09:31.17 | Syntaxerror | open: 2539; closed: 10920; defer: 906; conflict: 1277 |
| 09:31.20 | Syntaxerror | this will take some time... |
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| 09:31.43 | joj | nell: can you post apt-cache poliy libavformat-dev libavcodec-dev libavcodec53 libavformat53 |
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| 09:32.00 | joj | nell: apt-cache policy |
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| 09:34.50 | geoffr | Hi all, anyon know of a smtp proxy that offers a SSL ability? I'm using perdition for IMAP4S but would like to do both |
| 09:34.58 | jubo2 | Pls make browsers so that all windows opened from irc or email client all go to dedicated window regardless of which browser window had focus before a link was activated in another program |
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| 09:35.29 | jelly | !nopony jubo2 |
| 09:35.29 | dpkg | jubo2: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 09:35.54 | jubo2 | a child could see this rule |
| 09:36.10 | jelly | so write it, child |
| 09:36.11 | jubo2 | jelly: nopony? Does if have kitteh pictures ? |
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| 09:36.30 | jubo2 | jelly: I shit at coding. Good at cooking. |
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| 09:36.31 | nell | joj http://pastebin.com/t8iSkZk9 |
| 09:36.39 | joj | nell: ok, I'll have a look |
| 09:36.44 | jubo2 | and Excel |
| 09:37.09 | jubo2 | whoops.. now a mob will emerge and club me for mentioning I use proprietary software |
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| 09:38.02 | jubo2 | for defence I state I run 4 Debian GNU/Linux and only one Windows7 |
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| 09:38.12 | nell | also, how do I generate a script of all my manually installed packages |
| 09:38.16 | nell | so I can install on a new system |
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| 09:39.09 | jelly | nell: read /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 09:39.53 | jelly | jubo2: we all use the tools that actually work, sometimes only the proprietary ones are good enough |
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| 09:41.01 | jubo2 | jelly: yeah.. plus I need drivers for the external sound card that drives my SM 58 |
| 09:41.15 | jubo2 | and those exist only for Windooze and OS Xorz |
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| 09:42.30 | jaami | hi, my internet speed is around 2 to 10kbps on debian but when i restart into win7 then net internet speed goes upto 200kbps, that is huge difference, look like debian is not good for intenet :) can someone tell me few reasons of slow net on debian? |
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| 09:42.58 | joj | nell: according to the output, the obvious dependencies are satisfied. The reason apt doesn't want to might be screwed up deps somewhere on the way (I see fragments of the debian-multimedia.org repo there). You could remove that squeeze backports for wheezy backports, do apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install -f and then try to install again, hoping apt managed to clean up. |
| 09:43.33 | joj | jaami: overall speed or only when doing package management? |
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| 09:43.59 | jaami | overall speed that i checked with speed manager |
| 09:44.39 | jaami | it should be around 200kbps download rate on debain also |
| 09:45.28 | joj | jaami: what's that (is that a flash app?). Did you verify that with a wget of a large file from a high-bandwidth server for example? flash is horror on Linux. |
| 09:45.59 | jaami | joj: i dont use flash on debian |
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| 09:46.17 | joj | jaami: what speedmanager then? |
| 09:46.30 | jaami | i used my ipad over hotspot that has app to test speed |
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| 09:46.52 | jaami | that app shows correct rate |
| 09:47.18 | jaami | but your point is also valid , th wget way is also easy way to check on debian |
| 09:47.27 | joj | jaami: wait... Debian box -> (WLAN) -> Ipad (WLAN) -> Internet & windows box -> (LAN) ? |
| 09:48.00 | jaami | hmm, what is that |
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| 09:48.49 | jaami | i have a mobile broadband via usb dongle |
| 09:49.07 | jaami | let me check with wget |
| 09:49.27 | joj | jaami: ah ok understood. You used the same setup for both Windows and LInux, right? |
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| 09:50.07 | jaami | system is dual boot with win7 and debian, i just restart when want to use windows |
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| 09:51.02 | jaami | i can also use win7 on virtualbox and use net on it but that does not increase speed like i get when restart system and boot into win7 |
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| 09:54.00 | Syntaxerror | get a SSD |
| 09:54.11 | jaami | joj: this download at 60k average at this time wget http://dl.google.com/android/android-sdk_r22.3-linux.tgz |
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| 09:54.29 | jaami | SSD? |
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| 09:56.11 | jaami | am i getting any suggestion from any of you guys and girls ? |
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| 09:57.49 | jaami | i will check back later when more ppl are active in debian, |
| 09:57.55 | joj | jaami: ok for me that is 1.1MB/s. It's a first shot but it could be related to your WLAN card driver. What model do you have? As these drivers improve with the kernel, using the kernel from backports could help you. |
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| 09:58.15 | jaami | oh ok |
| 09:58.45 | jaami | joj let me check that |
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| 10:01.00 | jaami | joj: btw, debian automatically detect and make mobile broadband connection when i attach usb dongle. all i need to set is userid and password and internet start working |
| 10:01.37 | joj | joj: cool, but not directly related to the overall quality of the driver. |
| 10:01.43 | jaami | i am pretty much sure debian install no drives for my mobile broadband |
| 10:02.07 | jaami | oho k, yes that may be the reason |
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| 10:03.02 | jaami | but what you suggest to do to iprove speed, where and how i can get good drivers |
| 10:03.13 | jaami | improve** |
| 10:03.49 | jaami | i mean, can you help me to setup best drivers? |
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| 10:04.38 | joj | jaami: I have to leave shortly, but ... a) find device details b) investigate if there are problems with Linux support c) try out solutions you find or d) come back to the channel with the device info so that people can help look |
| 10:04.56 | finga | why is my apt-get update failing? i got right repo-address + right keys |
| 10:05.19 | joj | jaami: alright, gotta go. Good luck ^^ |
| 10:05.21 | Pucilowski | Is there anywhere I can see the size of debian repo by category? |
| 10:05.22 | jaami | joj: yes, i will check back later , |
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| 10:06.45 | jaami | finga: you might need to check resources.list |
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| 10:07.39 | jaami | hhmm |
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| 10:10.13 | finga | jaami: do you mean /etc/apt/sources.list? i got a repo in through puppet and its located at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webmin.list |
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| 10:26.38 | finga | apt-get update can't fetch a webmin repo, i can't find any error, messing around for 6hrs already. someone here who knows apt |
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| 10:27.16 | fritsch | fix the repo |
| 10:27.17 | fritsch | and done |
| 10:27.27 | fritsch | if it's not available, it can't fetch it |
| 10:27.32 | fritsch | no black magic involved |
| 10:27.42 | babilen | finga: We really don't support webmin and their repositories. A general apt channel is #debian-apt on irc.oftc.net, but I would be surprised if they could help you with random third-party repositories too |
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| 10:28.11 | babilen | finga: Apart from that I second fritsch's opinion on the matter |
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| 10:29.46 | finga | fritsch, babilen, i guess it has not much todo with webmin as the apt module for puppet. i try to include the repo with puppet, i guess thats whats the problem. the people from #puppet say they don't know apt oO |
| 10:29.51 | finga | but thx |
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| 10:49.08 | babilen | finga: Well, there is nothing we can do to help if you can't provide any additional information. (be it logs, error messages, command output, ...) - Sorry :-/ |
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| 11:09.02 | Nyoxi | yo! |
| 11:09.02 | Nyoxi | is anyone using cowbuilder? |
| 11:09.02 | Nyoxi | from time to time it decides it's a good idea to wipe out my source codes |
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| 11:11.48 | Nyoxi | hah! * cowbuilder deletes content of bind-mounted directories (closes: #703406) |
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| 11:26.17 | viwal_ | Hi guys, any tip for mail service on debian server |
| 11:26.39 | viwal_ | postfix ? |
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| 11:27.24 | viwal_ | I need just something to send my logs via mails to my mail |
| 11:27.40 | viwal_ | but dont have experience about any good mail client |
| 11:27.55 | Vibster | You want a mail client or a server? |
| 11:28.15 | viwal_ | server |
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| 11:28.35 | Vibster | postfix has the most doccumentation and is pretty stable |
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| 11:28.50 | Vibster | but it's probably overkill if you just have one user and some logs to send |
| 11:28.51 | viwal_ | just for sending emails about my system logs via mail function |
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| 11:29.08 | Vibster | You could write a little python script to do it |
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| 11:33.33 | viwal_ | I do it also to learn something about mail ... |
| 11:34.11 | finga | what is the difference between /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 11:34.17 | viwal_ | I just finished nginx configuration for django and php and so .....and now I would like to continue |
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| 11:36.58 | viwal_ | Vibster: btw, how do you mean python script ? |
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| 11:37.56 | Vibster | you could write a python script using smtplib to send your logs |
| 11:38.07 | Vibster | run it with a cronjob or something |
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| 11:38.58 | viwal_ | ok I have to study smtplib... |
| 11:39.22 | Vibster | it's easy enough |
| 11:39.46 | viwal_ | waht DNS is use in smtplib |
| 11:39.47 | Vibster | you can use your web email address if you have hotmail or gmail or something |
| 11:39.57 | viwal_ | oh ok |
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| 11:40.12 | lorenzo | hi! how do I set the resolution to 1366x768 on a headless machine, with lilo? |
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| 11:50.46 | Brody | Hi guys, Im installing Debian and the current error message I have is: Install the base system Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release. |
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| 11:52.41 | Brody | I am using unetbootin and Im aware that it can be problematic, I dont know if that could be the cause. I have a choice; do I cancel the installation and prepare a pendrive using win32 disk imager or do i try something else and continue with this install? |
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| 11:57.08 | CuteAlien | Hi. I'm looking for a way to install a 32-bit libalut compatibility lib on a 64-bit system to run an old 32-bit game. Does anyone know a way to do that? |
| 11:57.25 | Vibster | multiarch |
| 11:57.33 | CuteAlien | alut is not in multiarch |
| 11:58.00 | Vibster | oh |
| 11:58.04 | CuteAlien | at least as far as I can figure out... |
| 12:00.17 | themill | CuteAlien: but do you need that package for any amd64 packages? |
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| 12:01.16 | CuteAlien | themill, no - I need it to run an old binary. Short explanation: it's a game I wrote a few years ago and I try to figure out if I broke something and want to compare it to an old version. |
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| 12:02.39 | CuteAlien | And would have preferred doing that without de-dusting my old 32-bit computer :-) |
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| 12:03.47 | themill | CuteAlien: so the library only needs to be modified if you want to install both amd64 and i386 versions of it at the same time. If you only want the i386 package you can just install it |
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| 12:04.10 | pablognu | hello all |
| 12:04.32 | pablognu | i have a script that when i execute it as sudo it get stuck |
| 12:04.42 | pablognu | but if i execute it has root works well |
| 12:04.54 | pablognu | anyone can helpme? |
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| 12:05.38 | waqstar | pablognu, lets see the script :D |
| 12:05.40 | arsss | hi there any idea why why i cant connect to a vpn http://a.pomf.se/xiilrt.png |
| 12:05.41 | pablognu | http://pastebin.com/yLYrM7Y7 |
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| 12:05.54 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 12:05.57 | DelphiWorld | quick question |
| 12:06.13 | DelphiWorld | please can someone suggest a small dvd burning tool (shell) to burn the content of a directory? |
| 12:06.21 | pablognu | waqstar the script end on kill_gprs function |
| 12:06.42 | CuteAlien | themill, thanks - that worked! |
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| 12:07.01 | DelphiWorld | themill idea's always work:P |
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| 12:07.43 | themill | DelphiWorld: genisoimage and/or wodim |
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| 12:08.29 | DelphiWorld | themill, what do you recomand?:) |
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| 12:11.03 | waqstar | pablognu, I would run it as sudo and not insert the sudo command in the script. Or add NO password in the suders file for that command |
| 12:11.05 | themill | DelphiWorld: I normally want the iso image so I use genisoimage |
| 12:11.45 | pablognu | yes |
| 12:11.50 | pablognu | the sudo is for a test |
| 12:11.53 | DelphiWorld | woow themill |
| 12:12.01 | pablognu | originaly dont has sudo |
| 12:12.02 | DelphiWorld | themill: very very easy to use |
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| 12:12.37 | DelphiWorld | i didnt lie so, thank themill |
| 12:12.47 | themill | np |
| 12:13.36 | waqstar | pablognu, maybe you could do sudo -v first and it will cache the password |
| 12:14.10 | pablognu | waqstar dont work |
| 12:14.27 | jelly | DelphiWorld: also, growisofs |
| 12:14.28 | Syntaxerror | open: 3135; closed: 14430; defer: 1266; conflict: 1715 |
| 12:14.31 | Syntaxerror | still waiting |
| 12:14.32 | pablognu | i have to do a "sudo -s" and the script work |
| 12:14.42 | pablognu | but sudo ./script |
| 12:14.45 | pablognu | doesnt |
| 12:14.55 | DelphiWorld | jelly: hehehe, genisoimage worked perfectly:) |
| 12:14.56 | jelly | pablognu: how does it fail? |
| 12:15.09 | pablognu | dont continue the execution |
| 12:15.21 | pablognu | the if present in the line 36 dont work |
| 12:15.21 | jelly | pablognu: what happens exactly? |
| 12:15.26 | pablognu | exit |
| 12:15.35 | jelly | pablognu: pastebin the actual output. |
| 12:15.52 | waqstar | pablognu, it wont work like that |
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| 12:16.31 | DelphiWorld | jelly: it's pocible to mount a iso image rw? |
| 12:16.31 | themill | Syntaxerror: that's a sign that (a) you should have used full-upgrade not upgrade and (b) you probably should be using apt-get |
| 12:16.57 | jelly | DelphiWorld: no, iso9660 is a ro filesystem type |
| 12:17.13 | pablognu | waqstar i dont know why :( |
| 12:17.14 | DelphiWorld | ty jelly |
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| 12:19.31 | DelphiWorld | jelly: is iso compressed? |
| 12:19.39 | jelly | DelphiWorld: not that I know of |
| 12:19.42 | Syntaxerror | themill: I know it will have all dependencies resolved at some point, so I'll just let it run |
| 12:20.00 | DelphiWorld | jelly: a dir that cost about 2.5gb become 1.9gb in the iso |
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| 12:20.50 | DelphiWorld | dvd is 4.7, right? |
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| 12:20.53 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 12:21.09 | themill | Syntaxerror: good luck |
| 12:21.37 | DelphiWorld | themill: a dvd is 4.7gb, right? |
| 12:21.44 | Syntaxerror | themill: thanks. I had it running over night but I missed the prompt if I'm sure to upgrade everything, so aptitude aborted it ;( |
| 12:21.54 | Syntaxerror | now I'm running it again so I don't miss it! |
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| 12:22.00 | wfq | what's the easiest way to get my server sending emails to different domains if necessary? I am having a hard time with exim so I was considering using postfix instead |
| 12:22.09 | themill | Syntaxerror: or you could use the tool correctly and it would take a few seconds |
| 12:22.24 | Syntaxerror | themill: meh, now I already started |
| 12:22.26 | themill | DelphiWorld: depends on the dvd and on whose version of gigabyte you want |
| 12:22.31 | themill | Syntaxerror: ^C |
| 12:22.43 | DelphiWorld | themill: should you please explain? |
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| 12:22.50 | Syntaxerror | themill: 4 hours ago... |
| 12:22.56 | Syntaxerror | themill: so it should finish soon |
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| 12:23.15 | themill | Syntaxerror: I wouldn't trust that its solution was sane. |
| 12:23.39 | jelly | DelphiWorld: if there're lots of small files, it's possible iso9660 wastes less slack space |
| 12:23.43 | DelphiWorld | the iso is 4.8G that's a problem:( |
| 12:23.57 | Syntaxerror | themill: I'm doing a distribution upgrade fro squeeze to wheezy. Yesterday I've done lenno to squeeze |
| 12:23.59 | themill | DelphiWorld: there are different capacity DVDs (dual layer etc), and I have no idea whether they use GB or GiB to measure it. You also have the block-size problem |
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| 12:24.12 | themill | Syntaxerror: so you're following the release notes for this upgrade? |
| 12:24.13 | jelly | 4.7GB or 4.3GiB |
| 12:24.23 | DelphiWorld | suck |
| 12:24.27 | DelphiWorld | hold on guys i'lle be back;) |
| 12:24.55 | Syntaxerror | mostly. using aptitude instead of apt-get because of it's superior orphanage-handling |
| 12:25.04 | themill | Syntaxerror: incorrect |
| 12:25.04 | Syntaxerror | s/it's/its |
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| 12:26.19 | necronian | Is avconv almost a drop in replacement for ffmpeg? I just symlinked ffmpeg to avconv and is seems okay so far.... |
| 12:26.36 | OpenTokix | I really like the new install instructions surfaceing on the internet: wget url | sudo bash |
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| 12:27.55 | houen | hi i am houen |
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| 12:33.10 | themill | necronian: it is up to the point where ever version of ffmpeg has a completely incompatible command line in any case. |
| 12:33.13 | DelphiWorld | themill: so it's 4.7GB |
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| 12:36.20 | Syntaxerror | OpenTokix: preferably with https://-links and invalid certificates! |
| 12:36.58 | Syntaxerror | and the downloaded scripts then have ANOTHER wget, so you can't even ALIAS wget to be wget --no-check-certificates |
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| 12:38.05 | OpenTokix | Syntaxerror: yes |
| 12:38.06 | Iridos | Syntaxerror, you can always put a wget wrapper in ~/bin |
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| 12:39.50 | Syntaxerror | Iridos: that's much effort for a single installation |
| 12:40.10 | Syntaxerror | Iridos: better to let the webmasters fix their certs |
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| 12:43.59 | DelphiWorld | themill, do you know how to set label using geniso? |
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| 12:44.05 | noorul | hello |
| 12:44.36 | noorul | any idea which package provides /sbin/start command ? |
| 12:44.37 | themill | DelphiWorld: -A perhaps? |
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| 12:45.36 | themill | noorul: what are you really trying to do? |
| 12:46.04 | noorul | themill: I am running devstack (http://www.devstack.org) |
| 12:46.16 | nkuttler | !tell noorul about apt-file |
| 12:46.17 | jelly | DelphiWorld: it used to be -V in the original mkisofs |
| 12:46.25 | DelphiWorld | ah |
| 12:46.26 | noorul | themill: All of a sudden after dist-upgrade (I think) |
| 12:46.47 | nkuttler | noorul: ah, if it's installed dpkg -S, also /msg dpkg search |
| 12:46.50 | noorul | /sbin/start command is gone |
| 12:46.51 | themill | DelphiWorld: yeah, there are both "human readable" and "id" descriptions you can use |
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| 12:47.05 | themill | nkuttler: I doubt noorul really wants the answer though |
| 12:47.08 | DelphiWorld | themill: so what are the "HR" way? |
| 12:47.11 | themill | noorul: which version of debian is this? |
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| 12:47.20 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 12:47.20 | noorul | 7.4 |
| 12:47.24 | Iridos | Syntaxerror, "echo -e '#!/bin/bash\nexec wget --no-check-certificates "$@"' >~/bin/wget;chmod a+x ~/bin/wget" is effort? |
| 12:47.41 | themill | noorul: I doubt you ever had /sbin/start in debian 7.4 |
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| 12:47.41 | Syntaxerror | Iridos: yes |
| 12:48.09 | noorul | nkuttler: apt-file needs a file as input. I don't have that file |
| 12:48.14 | Iridos | seems to me you spent more time in here in the last hour than it took to write that |
| 12:48.17 | Iridos | *shrug* |
| 12:48.18 | TheWarden | Would anyone in here by chance know how to revoke a OpenVPN certificate? I'm trying to do ./vars and then ./revoke-full client and it's not working. As far as I can tell for some reason the ./vars is not working and therefore ./revoke-full will not work. |
| 12:48.26 | nkuttler | noorul: sure, it's the file you search for... |
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| 12:50.27 | Brody | Hi guys (1 hour bump), Im installing Debian and the current error message I have is: 'Install the base system Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release.' I am using unetbootin and Im aware that it can be problematic, I dont know if that could be the cause. I have a choice; do I cancel the installation and prepare a pendrive using win32 disk imager or do i try something else and continue with this install? |
| 12:50.32 | noorul | themill: It was working earlier I believe |
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| 12:52.18 | noorul | themill: nkuttler apt-file search returns upstart |
| 12:52.24 | Mikaela | noorul: upstart: /sbin/start |
| 12:52.28 | nkuttler | noorul: there you go |
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| 12:52.34 | noorul | I don't remember installing upstart |
| 12:52.36 | Mikaela | noorul: According to apt-file on on Debian Sid. |
| 12:52.41 | themill | noorul: I know. I very much doubt you want that answer. |
| 12:52.46 | nkuttler | Mikaela: same thing on wheezy |
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| 12:53.13 | noorul | themill: What do you mean? |
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| 12:53.38 | nkuttler | noorul: it's doubtful you want to use upstart |
| 12:54.02 | noorul | That is what I am thinking, I never used it but everything worked before |
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| 12:54.30 | noorul | Now after the dist-upgrade on Mar 1, it stopped |
| 12:54.40 | nkuttler | noorul: what stopped? |
| 12:54.54 | themill | dist-upgrade from what to what? |
| 12:55.15 | noorul | I looked aptitude log for upstart. Nothing. |
| 12:55.26 | noorul | themill: usual security updates |
| 12:55.39 | noorul | nkuttler: Openstack devstack |
| 12:55.47 | themill | that wouldn't have required a dist-upgrade though. |
| 12:55.54 | noorul | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/cinder#L493 |
| 12:56.29 | noorul | I think I was on 7.2 or 7.3 |
| 12:56.32 | themill | noorul: well, is_ubuntu should be false. |
| 12:56.37 | noorul | now after upgrade on 7.4 |
| 12:56.48 | noorul | themill: is_ubuntu is fine |
| 12:57.12 | themill | well, I'd disagree with that |
| 12:57.59 | noorul | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/functions-common#L485 |
| 12:58.30 | noorul | themill: See the comment above |
| 12:58.31 | themill | noorul: so that's returning true here? |
| 12:58.46 | noorul | themill: yes |
| 12:58.50 | themill | so that's wrong. |
| 12:59.01 | noorul | and it is supposed to |
| 12:59.07 | themill | well it's wrong |
| 12:59.29 | themill | because it then decides that you must be using upstart as your init system and debian does not |
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| 13:00.22 | noorul | That is what I was trying to understand |
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| 13:00.44 | noorul | If at all upstart was installed earlier (which I don't remember), shouldn't aptitude log show something? |
| 13:01.08 | themill | yes. And you would have had to work very hard to install upstart on wheezy. |
| 13:01.27 | noorul | themill: absolutely! |
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| 13:01.57 | noorul | themill: So, it is not upstart that was providing those commands, at least in this case |
| 13:02.38 | themill | if that code was ever working under debian, perhaps someone wrote a shell script that turned "start" into "invoke-rc.d start" |
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| 13:03.11 | ZIPY | hi, im using a lvm2 encrypted system, after i dist-upgraded, my grub was not found anymore can someone help me restoring it? |
| 13:03.22 | jelly | restart () { sudo invoke-rc.d "$1" restart; } |
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| 13:08.58 | musca | !luks rescue |
| 13:08.58 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 13:09.36 | noorul | themill: Will wait for someone in openstack channel to respond |
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| 13:11.03 | noorul | themill: another thing that I found is that tgt does not have init script |
| 13:11.18 | noorul | themill: so it might not have been invoke-rc.d |
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| 13:13.54 | DanteLA | I installed a .deb file. How do I list the files it installed? |
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| 13:15.51 | linedash | DanteLA, dpkg-query -L <packagename> |
| 13:15.53 | linedash | afair |
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| 13:16.22 | TheWarden | How would I setup one server as the primary and another one as the secondary, meaning if primary is not accessible then the secondary would be used? Not sure what you would call this? |
| 13:16.51 | linedash | failover |
| 13:17.09 | linedash | TheWarden, I recommend reading up on linux-ha |
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| 13:18.20 | TheWarden | linedash: oh okay, thanks. I'll take a look. I take it that Debian doesn't have such a feature built in. mmm |
| 13:18.37 | babilen | TheWarden: You are looking for a failover setup (which typically nicely combines with loadbalancing) -- Look into, e.g., heartbeat (http://linux-ha.org/wiki/Heartbeat) and pacemaker and corosync |
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| 13:18.53 | linedash | heartbeat is dead |
| 13:18.56 | linedash | don't use heartbeat |
| 13:19.08 | TheWarden | ironic that heartbeat is dead :-) |
| 13:19.14 | babilen | flatrate :) |
| 13:19.16 | linedash | hehe |
| 13:19.36 | linedash | but yeah, debian has the packages available TheWarden but there is significant configuration required |
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| 13:20.02 | linedash | you prob want something like drbd for shared storage and pacemaker/corosync for handling the handover |
| 13:20.04 | TheWarden | well that would make sense. okay that is good to hear that packages are available. |
| 13:20.29 | linedash | I warn you now though, if this is your first foray into highly available platforms - it's a fairly daunting subject and a lot of the documentation is awful |
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| 13:20.58 | TheWarden | oh great... that is not reassuring. |
| 13:21.14 | linedash | It's not something you're going to be throwing together overnight |
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| 13:21.58 | TheWarden | well I figured that as much but something that is necessary to have unless one wants to do this all manually when there is a failure which sounds awful to me. |
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| 13:22.45 | linedash | TheWarden, indeed - although the other alternative is to put something like ldirectord in front of it |
| 13:22.58 | linedash | and load balance between the boxes, auto-dropping out a box if it becomes non-responsive |
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| 13:23.19 | linedash | depends if whatever you are running will happily load balance |
| 13:23.25 | TheWarden | mmm I have no idea what is best here. never done such a thing before. |
| 13:23.44 | TheWarden | At this stage we really don't need load balancing. |
| 13:23.55 | linedash | I was just offering it as an alternative to failover |
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| 13:24.01 | linedash | a somewhat simpler alternative |
| 13:24.10 | linedash | tbh tho - you really need to go off and start reading. |
| 13:24.26 | linedash | The first time I looked into this I spent nearly 2 weeks reading up on it, though I was trying to set up something quite a bit more complex |
| 13:24.35 | TheWarden | go off and do some reading yet the docs are awful you say lol. |
| 13:24.38 | linedash | yup |
| 13:24.43 | linedash | welcome to linux |
| 13:25.01 | linedash | Lots of trial + error and making your own notes :) |
| 13:25.31 | TheWarden | well I suppose, for the most part I've had pretty good luck with Linux related docs. Granted I've been making my own extensively. I must be well over 100+ pages by now. Moved everything to a wiki based system. |
| 13:26.03 | TheWarden | every single step I take is documented. |
| 13:26.05 | linedash | Just make sure you're dumping that wiki periodically or its running on your own systems. Knew a fella who did that and then he lost his job |
| 13:26.13 | linedash | and lost nearly 5 years worth of a wiki |
| 13:26.47 | TheWarden | ahh yes, it's a local wiki and I make a sync copy of it regularly. It's all self contained wiki which I love for portability. |
| 13:27.23 | TheWarden | well thanks guys for the info. I guess off I go reading then. |
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| 13:29.05 | linedash | TheWarden, glhf :) |
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| 13:30.24 | TheWarden | oh yeah, joyus fun :-) |
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| 13:34.51 | knowfor | I need a jessie system installed on a virtual disk image for use in a VM as fast as possible. Are there official ones? Can't find :( |
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| 13:35.54 | abrotman | Official Jessie VM images? not likely |
| 13:36.15 | TheWarden | linedash: so heartbeat is no longer being developed? I'm just reading the Linux-Ha and first chapter is about Heartbeat |
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| 13:37.56 | linedash | TheWarden, http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2010/pacemaker-heartbeat-corosync-wtf/ |
| 13:38.11 | linedash | erm |
| 13:38.17 | linedash | http://clusterlabs.org/ |
| 13:38.20 | linedash | read the articles on that |
| 13:38.29 | TheWarden | oh okay, thanks. |
| 13:38.32 | TheWarden | will do. |
| 13:38.41 | linedash | you'll want to use corosync + pacemaker |
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| 13:40.26 | TheWarden | I see. okay. thanks again. |
| 13:42.50 | Big_Brother | I clicked the wrong resolution and now I can't see anything after some loading text. any ideas? Debian 7.4 |
| 13:42.56 | knowfor | abrotman: do you know of jessie images made by senior Debian devs like you? |
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| 13:43.35 | abrotman | knowfor: no, but installing jessie from scratch for a base install is pretty quick |
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| 13:44.34 | knowfor | takes me >30min but okay... |
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| 13:58.31 | ABDU1989 | Entry and exit of No One |
| 13:58.42 | someHuman | Helo! |
| 13:58.44 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 13:58.47 | someHuman | I can't get Debian!\ |
| 13:58.49 | someHuman | :( |
| 13:58.54 | someHuman | Am using Jigdo. |
| 13:59.21 | Sycamore | someHuman: change your password |
| 13:59.37 | ABDU1989 | Do not put a point before |
| 13:59.54 | someHuman | Sycamore: Haha yeah good point! |
| 14:00.18 | someHuman | That was an accident lol. |
| 14:00.28 | someHuman | What makes Debian rad? |
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| 14:00.31 | ABDU1989 | how to update kernel 3.12 to group |
| 14:00.37 | SirLagz | Debian is awesome just because it is. |
| 14:00.55 | someHuman | Is Debian capable of doing a full system upgrade via network? |
| 14:00.59 | SirLagz | yes |
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| 14:01.57 | someHuman | SirLagz: Very cool! |
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| 14:02.08 | someHuman | Well then, cya guys later after i get my Debian! ;) |
| 14:02.16 | someHuman | Well hopefully ;) |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | ABDU1989: to group what? |
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| 14:03.22 | abrotman | looks at boblee ? |
| 14:03.30 | petn-randall | Guess he didn't change his password ... |
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| 14:06.15 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: some human(s) might think there passwords are still secure, even after sharing them with the channel... |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | ABDU1989: GRUB? |
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| 14:08.18 | ABDU1989 | Bootloader |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | right, it's not called "group" |
| 14:09.20 | jelly | grub* |
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| 14:10.27 | Syntaxerror | is it normal that my quota.user and quota.group are each 513MB big? |
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| 14:14.54 | ABDU1989 | How do I add the kernel to 3.12 bootloader |
| 14:15.05 | abrotman | ABDU1989: how did you install the kernel? |
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| 14:17.07 | ABDU1989 | install to synaptic |
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| 14:17.39 | markotitel | hello, what is the difference between ' " ` symbols on bash |
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| 14:19.03 | ABDU1989 | abrotman: install to synaptic |
| 14:19.13 | abrotman | ABDU1989: it should update grub magically |
| 14:19.27 | knowfor | I am installing Debian jessie unto a .raw image in a kvm VM. Installation is stucking at 11% "Configuring apt" |
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| 14:19.53 | knowfor | it's the newest jessie image released today, might it be a general bug? |
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| 14:20.17 | ABDU1989 | how to update |
| 14:20.42 | bal | I've configured a dhcp server on my box but its not working as it should, I made a static reservation for one of my box in the lan and it seems someone else with another MAC its using that ip adress ? Any ideas. |
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| 14:21.15 | knowfor | markotitel: read the bash manual at about line 560 |
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| 14:21.47 | markotitel | knowfor, thanks will doo right away |
| 14:21.51 | ABDU1989 | abrotman: how to update |
| 14:22.04 | abrotman | ABDU1989: I told you |
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| 14:22.32 | zykotick9 | !tell knowfor about testing installer |
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| 14:22.57 | ABDU1989 | Update method |
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| 14:24.20 | markotitel | knowfor, actually that is not complete |
| 14:25.13 | knowfor | zykotick9: this takes too long when there is no installation CD that installs a testing system using a stable installer |
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| 14:26.14 | knowfor | markotitel: it explains what you asked. Note that ` is, unlike ' and ", expanding expressions |
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| 14:26.55 | mns | win 110 |
| 14:27.07 | mns | oops .. wrong window |
| 14:27.08 | zykotick9 | knowfor: ya, why do something right, when you can do it fast </sarcasm> |
| 14:27.36 | knowfor | zykotick9: today fast is more important to me than fast |
| 14:27.42 | knowfor | *than right |
| 14:28.44 | knowfor | zykotick9: Considering the amount of people using testing (I use stable on my prod. system), I can't believe I cannot find inst imgs installing testing systems using stable installers |
| 14:29.26 | petn-randall | knowfor: Well, I guess the testing installer *is* faster for you. Only side effect is you don't end up having a bootable system. |
| 14:29.33 | knowfor | loads of problems could be diminished! |
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| 14:32.33 | someHuman | Hello |
| 14:33.01 | someHuman | Do I only have to get one copy of Debian CD? |
| 14:33.33 | zykotick9 | someHuman: cd1 or dvd1 will install a working system, if you have network - i'd suggest netinst myself... |
| 14:33.36 | deanm | Hello, I've installed a debian Wheezy on a VM which has been DOS targeted. I have the impression that MTA has been attacked. How can i see all running default services and try disable the ones that i dont use |
| 14:33.36 | ksuhku | someHuman, if you have a good network connection at where you're installing the netinst might be the best choice |
| 14:33.38 | knowfor | someHuman: CD1 suffices if you install / upgrade a system online |
| 14:33.55 | someHuman | In here (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/jigdo-cd/), I only got debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.jigdo. |
| 14:34.00 | knowfor | someHuman: ksuhku is right |
| 14:34.14 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 14:34.28 | someHuman | How long will a net install take? |
| 14:34.41 | zykotick9 | someHuman: i doubt, you want the jigdo files... |
| 14:34.45 | ksuhku | depends on your network speed |
| 14:34.53 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 14:35.01 | someHuman | I run on like 1mb per second |
| 14:35.07 | someHuman | Something like that haha! |
| 14:35.11 | someHuman | I don't really know lol. |
| 14:35.17 | ksuhku | :) |
| 14:35.28 | someHuman | We're running on fibre optic cables. |
| 14:35.38 | someHuman | I guess that's fine? |
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| 14:35.49 | someHuman | Debian look legit though lol. |
| 14:36.00 | someHuman | What is it's release cycle? |
| 14:36.05 | ksuhku | you'll probably want the netinst in that case, it will be a few hours and you'll be up and running |
| 14:36.12 | zykotick9 | someHuman: "when it's ready" ;) |
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| 14:37.09 | someHuman | Cool! |
| 14:37.32 | someHuman | Which one should I get though? Small CDs or Network boot? |
| 14:37.37 | someHuman | My BIOS supports network boot. |
| 14:37.52 | someHuman | I've seen it a dozen times whenver I tweak my BIOS lol. |
| 14:38.10 | petn-randall | someHuman: netinstaller and network boot are two different things. |
| 14:38.39 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 14:39.07 | someHuman | Isn't net installer a method and network boot is in BIOS? |
| 14:39.21 | zykotick9 | someHuman: you DON'T want network-boot, unless you have a bootp (or something-or-other) network boot server running on your network. use netinst |
| 14:39.35 | someHuman | Ok ok lol. |
| 14:39.40 | someHuman | I'll use small cd method then? |
| 14:40.10 | ksuhku | right |
| 14:40.15 | someHuman | Cool! ;) |
| 14:40.18 | someHuman | Cya guys later then ;) |
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| 14:40.53 | ksuhku | someHuman, you too |
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| 14:44.59 | someHuman | Do any of you own Steam? |
| 14:45.03 | someHuman | Add me ;) |
| 14:45.07 | someHuman | iAmHandsome!!! |
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| 14:50.28 | Walex2 | someHuman: I am not a DD, and I bought Steam games long ago and run them on GNU/Linux (ubuntu 12.04 actually, but Debian would be good too obviously). |
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| 14:50.43 | someHuman | DD? |
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| 14:50.55 | mjt | debian developer |
| 14:51.36 | someHuman | Ah |
| 14:51.42 | someHuman | Lol |
| 14:51.44 | knowfor | how do I log in as root when I haven't set up a root password on installation? It is asking for a password... |
| 14:51.45 | abailarri | Hello. Im trying to install libapache2-mod-fastcgi in my debian wheezy amd64 but it says that it hasn't installation candidate. I searchd for a solution, but I not found anyting |
| 14:51.49 | abailarri | Any help please? |
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| 14:52.09 | someHuman | knowfor: It should prompt you on a ttyl log in. |
| 14:52.36 | knowfor | someHuman: yes |
| 14:52.42 | someHuman | Usually, password for root is the name of distro. |
| 14:52.50 | someHuman | Like for example in Manjaro |
| 14:52.52 | zykotick9 | knowfor: do you have sudo working? if so, you can set the root password with sudo (it's possible to do an install without setting a root password - somehow, i always set it during install) |
| 14:53.19 | zykotick9 | someHuman: debian does not set any "default" root password |
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| 14:53.34 | someHuman | Try "debian?" |
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| 14:54.27 | knowfor | zykotick9: sudo is working, thanks |
| 14:55.40 | jelly | someHuman: please don't guess answers. Let someone who actually know answer, and help with stuff you have decent experience with. |
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| 14:56.17 | someHuman | knowfor: Have you tried leaving it blank? |
| 14:56.28 | knowfor | yes, doesn't work |
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| 14:56.37 | someHuman | jelly: Ok, sorry. Just trying to help ;) |
| 14:56.45 | knowfor | but it doesn't matter anymore because sudo works |
| 14:56.47 | someHuman | knowfor: Have you tried "debian?" |
| 14:56.51 | someHuman | Lol |
| 14:56.59 | knowfor | someHuman: yes |
| 14:57.03 | someHuman | I recommend you not to use root as much as possible. |
| 14:57.14 | someHuman | Did debian password work? |
| 14:58.53 | Brody | Hi guys (4 hour bump), Im installing Debian and the current error message I have is: 'Install the base system Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release.' I am using unetbootin and Im aware that it can be problematic, I dont know if that could be the cause. I have a choice; do I cancel the installation and prepare a pendrive using win32 disk imager or do i try something else and continue with this install? |
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| 14:59.26 | knowfor | knowfor: no, "debian" pw didn't work |
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| 15:00.11 | ChrisH | Brody: unetbootin is most times the problem |
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| 15:00.49 | ehnde | i'm trying to make a stripped down vbox debian appliance and have followed this guid: https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian |
| 15:00.54 | ehnde | trying to still make it smaller |
| 15:01.03 | petn-randall | Brody: Yes, start over with a proper install image, as ChrisH suggested. |
| 15:01.04 | ehnde | i had to get python 3.3 on there for Tornado |
| 15:01.09 | ehnde | can i remove python2? |
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| 15:01.20 | Brody | chrish thanks, ok then. ill cancel the current install and go re do it with win32 disk imager. |
| 15:01.34 | ehnde | the compressed vbox appliance is 250Mb download |
| 15:01.59 | Brody | petn-randall thanks. do you recommend win32 disk imager ? |
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| 15:02.22 | someHuman | knowfor: Lol, you just called yourself haha! |
| 15:02.28 | ehnde | full install is 671mb uncompressed |
| 15:02.35 | petn-randall | Brody: I usually just prepare my USB boot disks with cp, don't have any experience with win32 disk imager, sorry. |
| 15:02.46 | ehnde | this will be downloaded potentially thousands of times and needs to be as small as possible |
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| 15:02.52 | Brody | petn-randall ok thanks. |
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| 15:06.04 | arnab | I installed clamAV today and did a full system scan. It is showing 379 infections. What should I do next? |
| 15:06.55 | arnab | it did not name the files. |
| 15:06.56 | knowfor | someHuman: sorry, I sometimes confuse my name with those of other people |
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| 15:07.12 | zykotick9 | arnab: this is a windows box i take it? if so, it's not really debian related. see if clamav has a channel perhaps. |
| 15:07.20 | jelly | ehnde: well, what happens if you try to apt-get -s remove python2.7 or even python2.7-minimal? |
| 15:07.28 | arnab | no I am on linux. |
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| 15:08.08 | arnab | its a command line tool I downloaded from the repository |
| 15:08.18 | someHuman | knowfor: No worries ;) |
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| 15:08.58 | ehnde | jelly: apparently i had already removed it without realizing it. it's marked as 'rc' and not 'ii' from dpkg -l output |
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| 15:09.23 | ehnde | jelly: i've already ran a test python script against the tornado package and it worked....so i guess i'm in the clear |
| 15:09.29 | jelly | ehnde: alright. You can purge it as well, then. |
| 15:09.33 | zykotick9 | arnab: i realize clamav is a tool in debian, but are you scanning a windows partition or a gnu/linux partition? |
| 15:09.35 | ehnde | it's a shamethough i was hoping for an easy win in reclaiming more space |
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| 15:25.29 | manolo | hi all |
| 15:25.55 | manolo | i cant view youtube videos... i try install flashplugin-nonfree but... i cant view... |
| 15:26.02 | manolo | firefox and iceweasel.... |
| 15:26.05 | manolo | any idea? |
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| 15:26.31 | manolo | i have debian i386... |
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| 15:26.47 | manolo | Linux dhcppc7 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:27.01 | Dimtree | Is there an easy way to schedule automatic apt-get upgrades? |
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| 15:27.49 | zykotick9 | Dimtree: might not be the best idea YMMV |
| 15:28.19 | Dimtree | zykotick9: Or at least apt-get updates |
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| 15:28.38 | zykotick9 | Dimtree: cron? |
| 15:28.54 | Dimtree | I was thinking a root crontab |
| 15:29.03 | Dimtree | But is there a "right" way? |
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| 15:29.51 | bezaban | Dimtree: package unattended-upgrades :) |
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| 15:30.37 | ABDU1989 | I've got Kernel 3.12 but how to do it operates bootloader |
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| 15:30.59 | Dimtree | bezaban: Thank you kindly |
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| 15:33.04 | ehnde | jelly: if i do a resize2fs on the rootfs, would that make the compressed VM smaller? |
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| 15:33.17 | ehnde | it uses up 650mb of space, but / is 1.9gb |
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| 15:33.23 | ehnde | compressed it goes down to 251MB |
| 15:33.42 | ehnde | i zeroed out the empty space with dd before compressing |
| 15:33.43 | jelly | ehnde: not significantely, no |
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| 15:34.32 | jelly | ehnde: you've done all the other obvious stuff like cleaning up apt cache? |
| 15:34.50 | ehnde | jelly: yes, the archive folder is cleaned out |
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| 15:35.31 | ehnde | errr...you mean clear the actual cache file |
| 15:35.36 | ehnde | not sure how to do that |
| 15:35.39 | ehnde | googles |
| 15:35.55 | ehnde | apt-get clean |
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| 15:36.25 | ehnde | another 40MB of free space! yes! |
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| 15:37.09 | Dimtree | Do USB harddrives typically support SMART? |
| 15:37.29 | ABDU1989 | A problem when you enter this command |
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| 15:37.44 | ABDU1989 | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
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| 15:37.51 | ehnde | i'm going to replace getty with ngetty next |
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| 15:38.22 | ABDU1989 | How to solve it |
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| 15:38.41 | ChrisH | Dimtree: no |
| 15:38.56 | Dimtree | Thanks, ugh |
| 15:38.56 | woshty | how do I set up the delay pam uses if I type in the wrong password unlocking my xscreensaver? |
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| 15:40.09 | woshty | Nobody else gets annoyed by that? |
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| 15:40.32 | ABDU1989 | A problem when you enter this command sudo apt-get install -f |
| 15:40.46 | ABDU1989 | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
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| 15:44.21 | addaitech | what is in your /etc/apt/preferences abdu? |
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| 15:52.11 | SerajewelKS | is there some tool that, given a particular package name, will crawl its dependencies (depends and recommends, not suggests) and print out each "recommends" it finds and stop at that part of the tree? |
| 15:52.36 | SerajewelKS | in other words if a depends on b, b recommends c, and c recommends d, if given package a the tool would print out c but not d |
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| 15:53.26 | jubo2 | what kind of HIFI computermajik h4xorage does we need to be able to have setting in email prog: "For this connection use server X as SMTP" |
| 15:53.32 | Dimtree | Do you fsck a partition, or a device? |
| 15:53.36 | jubo2 | What retro stoneage we are.. |
| 15:53.49 | SerajewelKS | Dimtree: a volume |
| 15:54.14 | SerajewelKS | Dimtree: if the volume lives on a partition, then you fsck the partition. if it lives on a device, you fsck the device. |
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| 15:54.39 | Dimtree | SerajewelKS: Thank you |
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| 15:55.00 | Dimtree | crosses his fingers |
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| 15:58.37 | ChrisH | SerajewelKS: apt-get install -s PACKAGE ? |
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| 15:59.10 | Dimtree | Why else would a device change from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb, and is there a way to auto remount it? |
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| 16:00.05 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH: that doesn't really do what i want at all |
| 16:00.30 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH: for example if the recommended package depends on 100 other packages, that will show me all of those 100 packages plus the recommended package, all mixed in |
| 16:00.42 | SerajewelKS | i don't care about the packages the recommended packages depend on |
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| 16:00.50 | SerajewelKS | that doesn't help me choose which recommended packages i want |
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| 16:01.00 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
| 16:01.37 | x3_iVaN | xD |
| 16:01.45 | Sbroker | .D |
| 16:01.48 | Sbroker | :D |
| 16:02.19 | zykotick9 | Dimtree: don't rely on /dev/sdX to remain constant. using UUIDs or better yet LABELs is a better idea. |
| 16:02.58 | Dimtree | I changed over to UUID, but it'll still drop off occasionally and not remount |
| 16:03.29 | Dimtree | "errors=remount-ro" doesn't help |
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| 16:11.46 | Brody | Im installing Debian, heres the story so far; Using a DVD it got to the grub installation step but failed. We chose to finish the install without grub. On reboot it would hang at 'verifying dmi pool data'. I changed the dvd drive out for a different one. No change. I then made a pen drive using unetbootin. The first time I put this drive into the machine and changed boot order, it successfully got past the 'verifying dmi pool data'. H |
| 16:11.49 | Brody | ..and it hung several times after that. I turned the machine off completely and came back half an hour later, and for some reason it did not hang this time. I continued the install and got quite far, but it failed at ‘Install the base system, Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release.’ This is when I chose to cancel the installation again and make a pen drive using win32 disk imager. Unfortunately this is |
| 16:12.02 | Brody | at ‘verifying dmi pool data’. The pen drive does flash as if the machine is trying to read from it. |
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| 16:12.40 | Dimtree | Brody: did you try installing LILO instead of GRUB? |
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| 16:12.45 | ixela | Brody: have you verified you dvd image? |
| 16:12.53 | ixela | Brody: sounds like a bad image to me |
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| 16:13.20 | Brody | dimtree i did try installing lilo at the time, didnt work either. |
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| 16:13.38 | Brody | ixela the dvd works on 2 other machines. the pen drives are using a different image |
| 16:13.55 | ixela | Brody: hmmmm |
| 16:13.59 | hlieberman | Crossed from OFTC: I'm seeing a performance degradation in code using epoll after the update from squeeze to wheezy, even when we try the kernel out of backports. Any ideas where I might keep looking? |
| 16:14.47 | ixela | Brody: does this machine have issues booting other distros/OS images? |
| 16:15.00 | ixela | I'm wondering if the machine itself has some sort of small failure going on |
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| 16:15.56 | Dimtree | Boot from a live image and see what happens with fsck or smartctl |
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| 16:16.46 | Brody | ixela i have not tested a different OS. However, it did have Windows working on it before starting this Debian installation. I suppose I could try ubuntu or mint or something next? Is that probably the next thing to try? |
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| 16:17.20 | ixela | I'd try a live image first that doesn't install |
| 16:17.27 | ixela | check the local drives and make sure they're working fine |
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| 16:17.58 | ixela | having so many varied issues with booting on a single box with multiple images makes me think the machine is failing somehow |
| 16:19.55 | jhutchins | Brody: Try other USB ports too. |
| 16:20.06 | Brody | ixela righto. If the machine is sketchy, i suppose i should not really want to use it for anything important then. |
| 16:20.14 | jhutchins | Brody: The specific error from grub-install would be useful. |
| 16:20.16 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 16:20.17 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 16:20.23 | Brody | jhutchins yep tried other usb slots |
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| 16:21.02 | Brody | jhutchins the grub fail message was: Grub-pc package failed to install into /target/ |
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| 16:21.51 | jhutchins | Brody: Well, try the fix-grub procedure. |
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| 16:22.10 | Dimtree | When in doubt, add more verbosity |
| 16:22.13 | jhutchins | although why it would complain about the package... |
| 16:22.24 | jhutchins | Brody: I think fsck might be a good idea too. |
| 16:22.32 | Brody | jhutchins unfortunately i havent been able to get back to that stage yet. i am stuck at verifying dmi pool data again. |
| 16:22.48 | ixela | this really sounds like a local hardware issue |
| 16:23.34 | ixela | if its stuck on the dmi pool data stage, then the bios is having issues even finding something to boot |
| 16:23.46 | ixela | this means *something* is wrong, but we still don't know where |
| 16:23.58 | jhutchins | Brody: Go back through the BIOS - maybe do a factory reset, then set it up agian to boot from USB. |
| 16:24.11 | ixela | I'd boot a live image of something that lives totally in ram(maybe finnix?) and see if you can check your local drives |
| 16:24.18 | ixela | it also might be that a cable is loose. |
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| 16:24.31 | jhutchins | ixela: That's just it, he CAN'T boot to anything right now. |
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| 16:25.17 | jhutchins | ixela: DVD, USB, it hangs trying to detect a bootable device. |
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| 16:27.44 | nkn__ | Hey guys, how can I use environment variable in package.install file in the debian directory? I tried using usr/lib/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}/libfoo.so*. Unfortunately this is not getting expanded. Not sure how this is done in "install" file |
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| 16:29.22 | fer755 | anyboy knows how to fix http://ix.io/aVt error in compon? |
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| 16:29.32 | jhutchins | !tell nkn__ about nmg |
| 16:29.35 | fer755 | *compton |
| 16:29.57 | ksk | hey guys. im want to mount a sftp backend using sshfs - this so far works fine. i can also create file using "touch foo", but cannot create a file and fille it with data in one turn, eg: "echo foo > bar" says "no such file or.." and creates the file, if i issue it a second time it gets filled with data. any idea? im afraid i have no control or information about the backend as I am just buying some storage package. thanks! |
| 16:30.25 | ksk | i played with all the workarounds available and tried with caching and without, no difference |
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| 16:31.29 | ksk | any idea about that? |
| 16:31.51 | nkn__ | jhutchins, I read nmg more than 10 times. My bad, I didn't see any place where it is mentioned about using env variables in package.install file. From nmg, I understood that DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH should be set in the rules file. I am doing it like - export DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) |
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| 16:32.08 | ksk | using an "real" sftp client works fine btw |
| 16:32.13 | nkn__ | jhutchins, packages are getting installed to the proper directory in the debian/tmp. Problem is only within install file. |
| 16:32.46 | jhutchins | nkn__: I sent you that link because about all I know about debian packagine IS that link. |
| 16:32.47 | jelly | ksk: does put with the default openssh sftp client work properly? |
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| 16:33.13 | prisudonom | Hello. The notebook I have has a i686 architecture CPU. Does the i386 assembly function properly with it? |
| 16:33.14 | nkn__ | jhutchins, :) |
| 16:33.21 | nkn__ | jhutchins, thanks anyway.. |
| 16:33.47 | hlieberman | prisudonom: Yes, i686 processors can support the i386 instruction set, at a performance disadvantage. |
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| 16:33.59 | ksk | jelly: yes, it does. |
| 16:34.04 | prisudonom | hlieberman: a vm? |
| 16:34.25 | hlieberman | A marginal performance disadvantage. Probably not enough for you to care about. |
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| 16:35.23 | prisudonom | hlieberman: how can I make it native? |
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| 16:36.00 | jelly | prisudonom: it is native. Your processor is backward compatible with the 80386 instruction set. |
| 16:36.08 | ice9 | does the installation cd supports EFI? |
| 16:36.08 | Brody | jhutchins ixela ok so first i will check all my wires again. then ill do the bios reset. then ill put finnix on the pen drive and try that. Ok guys thanks. I will see you in a while :) [but im watching this channel at the same time] |
| 16:36.11 | hlieberman | You'd have to recompile whatever the binaries are for the correct instruction set. Keep in mind, the overhead you incur from virtualization is almost certainly orders of magnitudes worse than the wrong instruction set. |
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| 16:36.50 | prisudonom | hlieberman: sounds about right to me. |
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| 16:37.14 | hlieberman | Generally the only people who care about that level of instruction set problems are Gentoo users. |
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| 16:37.23 | hlieberman | And I say that as an ex-Gentoo developer. ;) |
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| 16:38.14 | prisudonom | hlieberman: arch users might as well? |
| 16:38.17 | jelly | prisudonom: debian itself builds its 32bit x86 userspace for the now quite old 486 |
| 16:38.22 | jelly | prisudonom: why do you ask? |
| 16:39.21 | okee | I don't see an option for reporting bugs at the following URL; am I missing something: http://sourceforge.net/p/xchat/bugs/ Everyone in Xchat is still asleep.......zzzzzz............ |
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| 16:39.50 | prisudonom | jelly: I am seeking to use linux, possibly debian. |
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| 16:40.56 | prisudonom | jelly: I am on a linuxmint install right now. And it doesn't seem apropriate for what I do. |
| 16:41.07 | jelly | prisudonom: how does your usage scenario depend on specific i386 assembly code support? |
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| 16:41.20 | jelly | what is it that you do? |
| 16:41.32 | prisudonom | I do mathematical numerics and optimization. |
| 16:41.49 | ABDU1989 | I've got Kernel 3.12 but how to do it operates bootloader |
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| 16:42.22 | jelly | prisudonom: and what is it you're missing in mint? |
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| 16:42.43 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:42.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 16:42.47 | prisudonom | jelly: consistency |
| 16:43.11 | zykotick9 | ABDU1989: just by installing the backports 3.12 it should be automatically added to grub? try "update-grub" perhaps? |
| 16:43.12 | jelly | prisudonom: consistency between which components? |
| 16:44.05 | ABDU1989 | The problem that it did not add |
| 16:44.06 | prisudonom | jelly: possibly myself and the preconfiguration of the os? |
| 16:44.25 | jelly | prisudonom: sorry, you'll want to provide more concrete data and examples to give any kind of useful advice |
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| 16:44.56 | jelly | prisudonom: what kind of preconfiguration of the os in Mint stops you from doing i386 .s? |
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| 16:46.59 | prisudonom | jelly: I chose the LTS version with xfce. yet there seem to be lot's of gnome bindings. |
| 16:47.38 | bazhang | debian does not have LTS afaik |
| 16:48.10 | jelly | prisudonom: alright, but how is that relevant to building projects that involve assembler source? |
| 16:48.18 | ice9 | does the installation cd supports EFI and can be booted on Mac? |
| 16:48.51 | mdel | does support efi, not sure if it will boot on mac since their efi implementation is non-standard |
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| 16:49.18 | mdel | for that, there is always rEFIt / rEFInd |
| 16:49.31 | jelly | bazhang: of course it doesn't, the context is prisudonom not liking his current mint system for some reason and we're trying to figure out whether debian is a better fit |
| 16:49.31 | Brody | im just going to check if the usb stick works on this machine. brb |
| 16:49.46 | jhutchins | ice9: Yes, the installer images are bootable in intel macs. |
| 16:49.59 | jhutchins | ice9: grub has supported EFI since at least 2008. |
| 16:50.05 | ice9 | jhutchins: no they aren't, I have tried that |
| 16:50.10 | prisudonom | jelly: I want a single OS for all things I do. This includes Webbrowsing, Documentreading and editing, Managing my Files,... |
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| 16:50.18 | bazhang | debian is always a better fit in that instance |
| 16:50.25 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 16:50.49 | jhutchins | ice9: It may depend on where you're getting them from, and you do have to prepare them a bit differently. |
| 16:50.57 | jhutchins | !tell ice9 about ig |
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| 16:51.20 | johnfg | Is there a viewer for xml code (tomboy notes) available? Much like viewing compiled TeX/LaTeX code with xdvi? |
| 16:51.51 | prisudonom | As Mint is ubuntu derived which in turn is Debian derived I have a hard time telling where the sources come from. |
| 16:51.57 | jelly | prisudonom: oh, ok. You could try debian I guess. If you want to install xfce instead of the default gnome desktop environment, read /msg dpkg install xfce |
| 16:52.29 | prisudonom | I was hoping to find a "closed community" kinda thing I guess. |
| 16:52.34 | BobBall | Hey - weird bug... I think... dmesg shows my bnx2 with a link: "bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Up, 1000 Mbps..." but ip link show still reports it as down "2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state ODWN qlen 1000" |
| 16:52.38 | jelly | prisudonom: on a debian derivative, the sources matching your binaries come from your distro's deb-src repositories. |
| 16:52.38 | BobBall | Any ideas? |
| 16:52.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell prisudonom about install xfce |
| 16:52.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell prisudonom about deb-src |
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| 16:53.50 | jhutchins | BobBall: Do you have firmware-bnx2? |
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| 16:54.51 | BobBall | jhutchins: Think so - this is in the installer, and I was getting a different error before adding the firmware following http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/02/debian-lenny-pxe-installation-on-dell-poweredge-19502950-servers-bnx2-annoyances/ |
| 16:55.09 | BobBall | jhutchins: but I'm trying to install jesse, so changed the instructions appropriately. |
| 16:55.15 | prisudonom | jelly: I got told debian to be the best distro in stability terms. Do I have to use gnome for it to be valid? The new search style interface of gnome doesn't suit my needs. a cli prompt would be fine. |
| 16:55.24 | BobBall | jhutchins: running those instructions for wheezy worked fine - so I'm going to say "yes", I have the firmware :D |
| 16:55.43 | mdel | prisudonom: no, use whatever DE suits you, or none at all |
| 16:56.16 | BobBall | jhutchins: and the contents of /lib/firmware does include the bnx2 stuff |
| 16:56.17 | jelly | prisudonom: you don't have to use gnome. You don't have to install it at all. |
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| 16:56.29 | prisudonom | what DE escape procedures does debian supply? |
| 16:56.42 | jelly | escape procedures? |
| 16:57.05 | jhutchins | BobBall: If it's jessie specific you might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 16:57.19 | BobBall | ah! I'll try there, thanks. |
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| 16:57.47 | zykotick9 | prisudonom: just installing netinst (without selecting a DE) will give you a terminal based system, that you can install what you want on. |
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| 16:58.21 | prisudonom | jelly: as I am developing things I can't foresee what might go wrong. So I guess I need apropriate keyboard shortcuts for monitoring etc. |
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| 16:59.07 | johnfg | I guess I should have asked: does debian have a previewer for xml? |
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| 16:59.15 | prisudonom | if I install xfce with dpkg I get a debian approved stable package? |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | like a web browser? |
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| 16:59.40 | johnfg | abrotman: I don't care; if that's to me. |
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| 16:59.59 | johnfg | Just so i could see the xml output. |
| 17:00.12 | abrotman | most browsers will display it if it's valid XML |
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| 17:01.10 | mdel | except chrome |
| 17:01.19 | mdel | but there is a nice extension for that |
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| 17:01.34 | johnfg | usin firefox. |
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| 17:01.51 | mdel | then you should be good to go |
| 17:02.04 | honestly | debian wheezy is never going to move to postfix 2.10, is it? |
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| 17:03.10 | ksk | ,versions postfix |
| 17:03.11 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.3-2.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.9.6-2; jessie: 2.10.2-1; sid: 2.11.0-1+b1 |
| 17:03.21 | ksk | honestly: no, honestly not ;) |
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| 17:03.31 | honestly | good! |
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| 17:03.38 | ksk | as it would break debians policy of being stable (which means not changing) |
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| 17:04.12 | prisudonom | stable doesn't exactly mean not changing does it? |
| 17:04.18 | mdel | it does not |
| 17:04.32 | johnfg | doesn't work: whether I open it as a file (Ctrl-o); or as a page from /var/www, it just displays the xml code. |
| 17:04.47 | mengesb | is there a d-i method to install a specific .deb from net-install; such as the puppetlabs-release-wheezy.deb from apt.puppetlabs.com ? |
| 17:04.48 | centrx | !stable |
| 17:04.48 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.4); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 17:07.17 | ksk | :) |
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| 17:14.26 | prisudonom | what language is debian native in? |
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| 17:14.54 | centrx | The Linux kernel is written in C. |
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| 17:19.58 | d1z | javascript... one of the most powerful languages that I've never used in my entire life. |
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| 17:29.25 | Brody | gunna reboot again |
| 17:29.30 | lineinthesand | I'm trying to write a debian.control file for a package for which I want to provide a qt5 version in the future. Should I use the 'Conflicts' keyword in this case? |
| 17:29.47 | centrx | !reboot |
| 17:29.48 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 17:30.10 | centrx | lineinthesand, Why would it conflict? |
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| 17:31.00 | lineinthesand | centrx, because it would have the same name for the binary |
| 17:31.40 | centrx | lineinthesand, Rename the binary |
| 17:31.55 | centrx | lineinthesand, Most of the Debian packages in that situation are installable alongside each other |
| 17:32.08 | centrx | lineinthesand, x-gtk, x-qt, x-cli, x-common |
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| 17:32.55 | lineinthesand | centrx, I thought about that, but don't you think it's somewhat confusing/uncomfortable? |
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| 17:33.38 | centrx | lineinthesand, Why |
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| 17:34.23 | lineinthesand | centrx, less typing (o; |
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| 17:49.28 | Syntaxerror | Hi! I have a non-booting debian on a remote location. I can boot a RAM-Image on the machine and mount my drive there. How should I go on to fix it? Is there something like a repair-installation? |
| 17:49.52 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: do you know why it's not booting? Do you have a remote console? |
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| 17:49.55 | ksk | !fixmbr |
| 17:49.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 17:50.59 | Syntaxerror | dondelelcaro: I know it's not booting because ssh doesn't become available and webservices don't speak. if I use the recovery-image and look into /mnt/var/log/syslog and /dmesg, there aren't any new messages |
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| 17:52.03 | Syntaxerror | ksk: I can leave out the console-switching when I'm already on a console right? :) |
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| 17:53.49 | level7 | hi all |
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| 17:54.21 | jhutchins | centrx: Brody is having trouble getting his system to boot to pretty much anything. |
| 17:54.40 | centrx | weird |
| 17:55.41 | jhutchins | centrx: Hangs at the "verifying DMI pool" message with media that boots on other systems. Failed to install grub when it did boot to the installer. |
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| 17:56.17 | jhutchins | He's ben beating on this for at least three days. |
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| 17:57.10 | centrx | jhutchins, Is he on a hppa system or something? |
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| 17:57.41 | Brody | centrx jhutchins ah thanks jhutchins. at the moment, ive just verified that my pen drive works on a different machine. next im going to format the drive and put finnix on it and try that. |
| 17:57.43 | jhutchins | centrx: Far as I know it's a standard PC, no EFI. |
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| 17:57.49 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: yes, but without a remote console, it's pretty hard to know where. |
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| 17:58.09 | Syntaxerror | dondelelcaro: yep :) |
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| 17:58.09 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: in any event, you can certainly boot, mount the device, fsck it, and reinstall grub to the mbr |
| 17:58.19 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: and you should probably get yourself a remote console |
| 17:58.20 | jhutchins | Brody: SHouldn't need to format it. When you use cat/dd/win32dm it overwrites the whole filesystem with a preformatted image. |
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| 17:58.22 | Brody | centrx its a normal pc. the mobo is gigabyte ga-7va and the processor is amd athlon 2500+ |
| 17:59.01 | centrx | Brody, Have you tried using a CD with an ISO? |
| 17:59.13 | Syntaxerror | dondelelcaro: is there a way to "drive-by" install lenny? like having an installer that I can wget and tell him that the system-root is /mnt? |
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| 17:59.40 | Syntaxerror | dondelelcaro: Also, that it will boot afterwards from / (the former /mnt) |
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| 17:59.48 | jhutchins | !debootstrap |
| 17:59.49 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 18:00.15 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: lenny? hopefully you mean wheezy. But yes, you can just use the installer, and stop before formatting the disks |
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| 18:00.29 | dondelelcaro | Syntaxerror: at that moment, you just drop to a console, and do the rest of the install |
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| 18:01.09 | Brody | centrx heres the story so far; Using a DVD it got to the grub installation step but failed. We chose to finish the install without grub. On reboot it would hang at 'verifying dmi pool data'. I changed the dvd drive out for a different one, but no effect. I then made a pen drive using unetbootin. The first time I put this drive into the machine and changed boot order, it successfully got past the 'verifying dmi pool data'. However it h |
| 18:01.17 | Syntaxerror | dondelelcaro: I also have a broken backup of squeeze, but not wheezy |
| 18:01.37 | Brody | ..and it hung several times after that. I turned the machine off completely and came back half an hour later, and for some reason it did not hang this time. I continued the install and got quite far, but it failed at ‘Install the base system, Debootstrap Error, Failed to determine the codename for the release.’ This is when I chose to cancel the installation again and make a pen drive using win32 disk imager. Unfortunately this is |
| 18:01.39 | Brody | ..at ‘verifying dmi pool data’. The pen drive does flash as if the machine is trying to read from it. |
| 18:02.12 | Syntaxerror | I'll try to fix the MBR first. |
| 18:02.24 | centrx | Brody, Have you seen http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000474.htm |
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| 18:06.14 | menek0 | hello |
| 18:06.33 | menek0 | i have a problem with firefox/iceweasel |
| 18:06.47 | menek0 | dont work youtube video... |
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| 18:06.52 | menek0 | but vimeo yes |
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| 18:07.06 | menek0 | i try install flashplugin... but not works |
| 18:07.22 | jhutchins | menek0: What did you do to install flashplugin? |
| 18:07.36 | menek0 | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:07.47 | jhutchins | menek0: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 18:07.47 | menek0 | and uninstall gnash |
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| 18:08.51 | menek0 | not works... white screen in youtube |
| 18:08.53 | jhutchins | menek0: Did the install suceed? Did it download the plugin? Can you see the plugin in the plugin manager? Does the adobe flash test work? |
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| 18:09.13 | menek0 | ok |
| 18:09.26 | menek0 | not works |
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| 18:09.32 | Syntaxerror | when I chroot inside a screen, everything in that will behave "right", yes? |
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| 18:11.47 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror: The shell within that screen will use the new root, other shells will not be affected. |
| 18:12.03 | Syntaxerror | thanks, that was what I wanted to know |
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| 18:13.02 | Brody | centrx yes i have studied the computerhope page a few times. I suppose you could say I havent gone through it exhaustively with help perhaps. For example, it says 'ensure that Linux or Unix has been properly installed first or your boot manager is not corrupt.' |
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| 18:16.40 | Brody | centrx I also have not yet tried putting a different hard drive into the machine and unplugging the current one. The thing is, the machine was running Windows before i started this debian installation so it makes things rather confusing. |
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| 18:21.51 | Syntaxerror | ksk: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.. /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
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| 18:23.03 | mnunberg | i'm trying to figure out in practice when i would need to modify the 'debian version' of a package |
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| 18:24.03 | mnunberg | well, several version naming questions really. first of all what's the convention to sanely deal with pre-release, release, and post-release versions of a package |
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| 18:25.59 | tremon | depends on whether you want those versions to be co-installable. X prereleases are usually given a X.Y.99 version, while libraries sometimes get a 0 appended to the package name (e.g. libevas0) |
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| 18:26.59 | tremon | debian revisions -N are used when a new debian release does not include a new upstream release (e.g. cherry-picking upstream commits or debian build changes) |
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| 18:27.20 | mnunberg | tremon: where x.y is the _previous_ release. hrm |
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| 18:27.50 | mnunberg | so e.g. a prelease for 2.3.0 would be 2.2.99? |
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| 18:27.53 | tremon | yes, e.g. xorg package 1.14.99 was the prerelease for 1.15 |
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| 18:29.15 | mnunberg | so if i'm not actually specifically changing any debian-specific build data the debian version should remain at -1. ok |
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| 18:30.11 | tremon | a debian revision is optional. If you're initially shipping an upstream version, just use x.y.z without a debian revision |
| 18:30.44 | mnunberg | le tme modify my script then. this should be interesting |
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| 18:36.24 | Zal | when I run "apt-get remove openjdk-6-jdk", apt removes the package, and then installs openjdk-7-jdk automatically. Presumably because I have another package installed which requires java. Is there a flag I can pass to force removal *without* replacement? |
| 18:36.29 | mnunberg | hrm, this would be difficult to generate knowing only the git tag, as i'd need to know what the _prior_ version was. i think |
| 18:36.38 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Zal about equivs |
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| 18:37.22 | Zal | excellent, thank you very much abrotman |
| 18:37.25 | SerajewelKS | Zal: well you could force depends, but that will break whatever existing package needs a jdk |
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| 18:38.16 | Zal | SerajewelKS, understood, thank you |
| 18:38.33 | SerajewelKS | or do what abrotman suggested ;) either way, the package will likely not function unless you have another JDK installed manually |
| 18:38.50 | tremon | mnunberg: there are no hard rules, if another scheme suits you better, then use that. Just be aware that dpkg orders versions (more or less) lexicographically, so x.y-prerelease is considered a higher version than plain x.y |
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| 18:39.37 | SerajewelKS | it's some kind of a hybrid lexicographic/numeric sort, IIRC |
| 18:39.59 | mnunberg | tremon: hrm. alrighty. i'm more inclined to use the RPM versioning scheme which seems a bit more scriptable; i.e. pre-release would be 2.3.0~0+blahblah, release would be 2.3.0~1 and post-release would be 2.3.0~2+blahblah |
| 18:40.22 | mnunberg | except where rpm does '-', i'd replace it with a '~' |
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| 18:40.45 | Zal | SerajewelKS, right, that is what I am attempting to do -- install a custom JDK |
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| 18:41.26 | SerajewelKS | Zal: ah cool. the "debian way" i guess would be to turn that into a package, but you could definitely do the dummy-package thing just to tell the packaging system that you have a jdk. |
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| 18:41.37 | Zal | until now we've used a custom JDK installation and custom grails installation; I am figuring out how much actually has to be 'custom', and how much can be integrated |
| 18:42.06 | Zal | well, I've got a grails package (the one pulling in openjdk), which I suppose I'll need to rebuild without the dependency |
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| 18:42.20 | Zal | but then I can't pull it directly from the PPA |
| 18:42.23 | Nurbs | I am trying to remove the currently running kernel after a preseeded install with "apt-get purge linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" but need to confirm that I want to remove that kernel. Can I preseed that confirmation? |
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| 18:42.38 | Zal | so equivs sounds like a pretty good idea |
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| 18:43.01 | Zal | thanks much all |
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| 18:44.40 | mnunberg | i'm actually working on a little perl script to generate proper package naming schemes for both deb and rpm assuming the upstream version is semver compliant |
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| 18:46.09 | Syntaxerror | How should I continue? /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.. /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
| 18:46.31 | tremon | mnunberg: official policy is here: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version -- if in doubt, I recommend you ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 18:47.13 | Syntaxerror | I followed the stops from !fixmbr |
| 18:47.20 | Brigo | Syntaxerror, you are tring to install in a partition like /dev/sda1 try /dev/sda (without the last 1) |
| 18:47.30 | Syntaxerror | oh, okay |
| 18:47.38 | Syntaxerror | the /dev/whatever-part confused me :) |
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| 18:48.01 | Syntaxerror | now I get this: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible!. /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
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| 19:06.12 | Syntaxerror | How should I proceed? |
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| 19:14.24 | HicksD | My wireless 360 controller has started reporting as Mouse.Axis.1 in higan (and not working in several other games) where it used to report as JP0:: although it works fine in the steam big picture mode. Any idea what may have caused it to start reporting as a mouse? |
| 19:14.53 | applepi | Hi all :) I'm using multistrap to build a debian rootfs, but I'm having a bit of an odd error when I run multistrap with my current config. "Unable to locate package debian-archive-keyring" |
| 19:14.56 | HicksD | and I meant to type that in debian-next, sorry. |
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| 19:15.04 | applepi | My config file is as listed here: http://pastebin.com/ywh1ZX0g |
| 19:15.33 | applepi | I've done this before but it's been long enough I don't recall how :/ |
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| 19:17.36 | mnunberg | thanks folks for the help |
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| 19:44.31 | AJ_Z0 | I added "deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ wheezy nginx" to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nginx.list to get the stabe 1.4.6-1 version, ran "apt-get update" but cannot seem to get "apt-get install nginx" to (try to) install anything but the Debian distributed 1.2.x version. What am I missing? |
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| 19:45.15 | AJ_Z0 | [I am aware of the unstable nginx package, but want to be able to update from the vendor repo] |
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| 19:48.34 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: it's probably seen as lower-priority. do "apt-cache policy nginx" and pastebin the result |
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| 19:53.00 | fommil | hi all. last night I installed debian on my iMac and even got the firmware working during the installation (which involved some jiggery poker with the CLI and ubuntu debs). But when I rebooted into my fresh install, the wifi was not working! The network was never added and indead the interface isn't even setup. Is this a bug? Or do I now have to manually set up my wifi again? :-( |
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| 19:53.41 | AJ_Z0 | nginx: |
| 19:53.41 | AJ_Z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.41 | AJ_Z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.41 | AJ_Z0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.41 | AJ_Z0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:54.09 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: pastebin, not paste |
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| 19:54.36 | ABDU1989 | hi prblam to debian 7.4 wheezy |
| 19:54.37 | AJ_Z0 | Apologies. I did "/msg dpkg paste" but got caught by embedded newlines |
| 19:54.40 | ABDU1989 | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 19:54.58 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: :) |
| 19:55.15 | tremon | AJ_Z0: according to that paste, nginx 1.4.6 is already installed |
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| 19:55.42 | AJ_Z0 | Yes, I installed the package with dpkg |
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| 19:56.55 | ABDU1989 | prblam to debian 7.4 wheezy |
| 19:56.59 | ABDU1989 | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
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| 19:57.51 | addaitech | put your /etc/apt/preferences on a pastebin abdu |
| 19:57.56 | tremon | ABDU1989: have you tried removing that file? |
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| 19:59.08 | ABDU1989 | no file in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 19:59.27 | tremon | check preferences.d |
| 20:00.59 | ABDU1989 | no file |
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| 20:01.05 | car | hi, does anyone know, what the best, automatically way is to distribute a freeradius ca.crt ? or do i have to put it manually on every client? |
| 20:01.08 | ABDU1989 | or text |
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| 20:03.55 | ABDU1989 | tremon: This is what I found Package Pin: release o=Debian,a=experimental |
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| 20:04.24 | tremon | car: if you don't have a central provisioning system (like chef or puppet), then yes, you'll have to do it manually. Recommended way is to put it in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/ and run update-ca-certificates |
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| 20:05.12 | tremon | ABDU1989: so remove that file or comment out its lines (probably with #, don't know for sure) |
| 20:05.26 | car | tremon: thx. i expected this kind of answer .... damn |
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| 20:06.01 | fommil | failed to connect to wpa_supplicant: wpa_ctrl_open no such file or directory... this is on a fresh debian install with a wpa_supplicant file copied from a working device on my network |
| 20:06.11 | addaitech | or just put Package: * |
| 20:06.18 | addaitech | at the beginning of the file abdu |
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| 20:07.19 | tremon | addaitech: don't recommend that without knowing what's in the rest of the file. He could end up installing everything from experimental |
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| 20:08.18 | AJ_Z0 | Do i need to remove the package and run "apt-cache policy nginx" again to give the relevant info? |
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| 20:09.31 | tremon | AJ_Z0: you've yet to provide full output from the first run, or have I missed it? |
| 20:09.54 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: no, you don't need to remove anything |
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| 20:09.58 | SerajewelKS | just show us the output of the policy command |
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| 20:12.43 | AJ_Z0 | tremon: I inadvertently pasted it in the channel. Now pastebinned at http://paste.debian.net/85307/ |
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| 20:13.33 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: your http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ source doesn't show there |
| 20:13.43 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: did you run "apt-get update" after you added that source? |
| 20:13.59 | AJ_Z0 | I did |
| 20:14.30 | SerajewelKS | and it completed without any errors? |
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| 20:15.01 | SerajewelKS | if the output doesn't show that repo then something else is wrong |
| 20:15.13 | SerajewelKS | your local indexes don't know anything about http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ having that package |
| 20:15.16 | AJ_Z0 | I had 1.4.5 installed (also with dpkg) and "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" did not recognise the new package in the vendor repo |
| 20:15.30 | SerajewelKS | which would pretty clearly explain why it won't install the newer version... it doesn't know about that version :) |
| 20:15.47 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: because near as i can tell, apt doesn't have indexes from the vendor repo |
| 20:16.00 | AJ_Z0 | SerajewelKS: That sounds like what I'm seeing, but I don't know what I'm missing. This isn' |
| 20:16.10 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d as well as the output of "apt-get update" |
| 20:16.17 | AJ_Z0 | t the first time I've added repos, just the first time they seem to be ignored |
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| 20:16.30 | AJ_Z0 | Will do |
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| 20:18.29 | fommil | can anybody please help me get my b43 wifi card working please? :-( It worked during install |
| 20:19.09 | SerajewelKS | !tell fommil about b43 |
| 20:19.09 | steven774 | Why Debian provides option to install man or mandb with "setuid" during the installation? I mean what is the point behind this? |
| 20:19.20 | AJ_Z0 | http://paste.debian.net/85310/ |
| 20:19.31 | fommil | SerajewelKS: I've already read all the b43 docs... none of it is any use to me |
| 20:19.39 | SerajewelKS | fommil: have you used the fwcutter yet? |
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| 20:20.19 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: you used the deb-src line, not the deb line :) |
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| 20:20.31 | fommil | SerajewelKS: yes, I have the firmware in my /lib/firmware. In fact, I ended up not using the cut binaries, they were already available in the ubuntu non free deb file that I unextracted and placed in the correct folder during install. They are still there. |
| 20:20.32 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: so your system now knows where to go get the nginx source package so you can compile it yourrself |
| 20:20.44 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: remove "-src" in your nginx line and try apt-get update again |
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| 20:20.57 | SerajewelKS | fommil: wait, ubuntu? |
| 20:21.24 | fommil | SerajewelKS: the debian non free .deb was too old, so I unextracted the firmware from the ubuntu non free firmware deb |
| 20:21.30 | fommil | SerajewelKS: it worked |
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| 20:21.48 | SerajewelKS | fommil: have you checked the kernel logs to see if there are any messages from the driver? |
| 20:21.54 | fommil | SerajewelKS: and in fact, placing files manually into /lib/firmware is what the installer asks for (not for a .deb to be made available) |
| 20:22.06 | applepi | anyone here know anything about multistrap? I'm trying to multistrap a debian rootfs from mint, but I keep running into "Unable to locate package debian-archive-keyring" |
| 20:22.14 | fommil | SerajewelKS: I don't know which driver it is. docs are in disagreement about whether it should be wl or b43 |
| 20:22.15 | applepi | and can't work out why it can't find it |
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| 20:22.33 | fommil | SerajewelKS: but in any case, nothing particularly strange from b43 |
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| 20:22.53 | AJ_Z0 | SerajewelKS: Thank you! There were spaces in the nginx.list file which made my deb line look right, but it was just a continued line from the comment header |
| 20:23.07 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: :) sometimes all it takes is another set of eyes |
| 20:23.11 | fommil | SerajewelKS: in fact, the logs even have "b43-phy0 Broadcom 4331 WLAN found (core revision 29) |
| 20:23.27 | AJ_Z0 | Get:1 http://nginx.org wheezy/nginx amd64 Packages [674 B] |
| 20:23.29 | SerajewelKS | fommil: hmm. try "ip link" and look to see if there is an interface |
| 20:23.36 | SerajewelKS | fommil: perhaps it's just not being brought up automatically |
| 20:23.46 | tremon | steven774: didn't the question explain that? If you allow man to be setuid, man pages can be preformatted and cached |
| 20:23.55 | fommil | SerajewelKS: that was my thinking. I was really surprised that the network config was not copied over during install |
| 20:24.23 | fommil | SerajewelKS: so, the log message is from 00:12 last night. So obviously I did something that worked, then fell asleep, and forget today :-/ |
| 20:24.31 | SerajewelKS | :/ |
| 20:24.36 | AJ_Z0 | Installed. Thanks again |
| 20:24.38 | fommil | SerajewelKS: apologies, I have to go and do something for 30 mins or so. |
| 20:24.46 | SerajewelKS | fommil: i had a b34 chip in my first laptop and i do not at all miss the bullshit of getting it to work on linux, that's for sure |
| 20:25.02 | SerajewelKS | fommil: it's been long enough that i don't really remember much of the debug process so i don't think i can help much more, but i definitely feel your pain |
| 20:25.12 | SerajewelKS | AJ_Z0: np |
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| 20:29.54 | Syntaxerror | so... nobody knows what to do in the event of a ms-dos style MBR? |
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| 20:41.47 | SerajewelKS | are there any general-purpose tools for crawling the apt dependency tree? |
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| 20:42.04 | SerajewelKS | something where i can provide a visitor function executed on each node visit, for example |
| 20:42.56 | SerajewelKS | i want to build a tool where i can feed it a bunch of packages as the starting points, and have the script print out each recommended package it finds, stopping when it sees a recommended or suggested package |
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| 20:43.13 | SerajewelKS | to get a clearer overview of the difference between with-recommends and without-recommends for a given package set |
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| 20:43.45 | SerajewelKS | all of the tools i've seen print out the differences between the complete set of what would be installed, which isn't terribly useful as the depends of recommended packages are not interesting in this scenario |
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| 20:45.00 | tremon | there are alternate resolvers for apt like apt-cudf, maybe they have hooks. I guess you need to get your hands dirty on this one though |
| 20:45.13 | d1z | is there a tool similar to postfixadmin for exim? |
| 20:45.17 | d1z | an eximadmin |
| 20:45.22 | SerajewelKS | it seems like the kind of thing someone somewhere would have built, especially for building live cds |
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| 20:45.53 | tremon | maybe try #debian-boot (oftc) then |
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| 20:47.25 | Kingsy | gotq question. I wanted to change the theme on debian, so I installed greybird. applications -> settings -> appearance. Now the panels (I am using xfce) have changed.. the icon theme has changed, but if I load for example thunrar or gimp, its still using the horrible ugly grey blocky theme.. I am assuming there are two parts to themes? what I am missing? |
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| 20:48.39 | sheap | Kingsy, I think I remember doing two parts |
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| 20:49.06 | sheap | did you install the murrain themes? |
| 20:49.14 | Kingsy | I have no idea what they are. |
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| 20:49.20 | Kingsy | hehe so no |
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| 20:49.32 | fommil | SerajewelKS: if I do an explicit mod probe b43 it seems to install the driver OK :-) But what do I do next. I've been away from Debian since there were such things as WiFi cards, so I have a peculiar understanding of how to navigate this problem :-D |
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| 20:49.54 | SerajewelKS | fommil: after the modprobe does the interface show up in "ip link" output? |
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| 20:50.05 | fommil | SerajewelKS: yes it does, w00t |
| 20:50.11 | Kingsy | sheap: google doesnt return a whole lot for "murrain debian" |
| 20:50.13 | SerajewelKS | there you go :) |
| 20:50.21 | fommil | SerajewelKS: and I copied my passwords etc from a raspian device that I prepared earlier |
| 20:50.30 | sheap | Kingsy, murrain, sorry |
| 20:50.33 | sheap | murrine |
| 20:50.34 | sheap | ugh |
| 20:50.43 | sheap | autocorrect on this client |
| 20:50.45 | Kingsy | hehe |
| 20:50.49 | fommil | SerajewelKS: but its not in ifconfig |
| 20:51.15 | SerajewelKS | fommil: probably because the interface is down |
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| 20:51.21 | SerajewelKS | fommil: "ifconfig ___ up" |
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| 20:51.41 | Kingsy | installing now |
| 20:51.54 | fommil | SerajewelKS: oh, I was doing "ifup wlan0" |
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| 20:52.09 | Kingsy | sheap: I am assuming these are not specific to an interface type? like gnome or kde etc? |
| 20:52.11 | SerajewelKS | fommil: that only works if wlan0 is defined it /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:52.15 | SerajewelKS | defined in* |
| 20:52.24 | applepi | does anyone know if the stuff in the armel apt is compiled for eabi or oabi? |
| 20:52.25 | fommil | SerajewelKS: I added it there, but I could easily have made mistakes |
| 20:52.50 | tremon | applepi: it's eabi iirc |
| 20:52.52 | mengesb | i'm trying to avoid the keymap question during install, it seems that either my boot option is wrong, or my preseed option is wrong. I've tried debian-installer/locale=en_US.UTF-8 console-setup/layoutcode=us console-setup/ask_detect=false ; and also with locale=en_US.UTF-8 instead of the debian-installer/ bit |
| 20:52.55 | mengesb | any help? |
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| 20:53.12 | Kingsy | oooo well these are interesting |
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| 20:53.42 | fommil | SerajewelKS: I see "wlan0: link becomes ready" in the logs, repeating, along with "Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain" |
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| 20:54.14 | fommil | SerajewelKS: it is now showing in ifonfig, but no IP address assigned |
| 20:54.39 | tremon | mengesb: I also have "console-tools/archs select skip-config" and "console-keymaps-at/keymap select us" |
| 20:54.44 | applepi | tremon: that's what i figured. i have my kernel compiled for eabi and i have a module that can't be loaded, i get complaints about disagreement about version, though i compiled and installed them from the same build.. if i attempt to --force it I get 'exec format error' |
| 20:55.03 | applepi | I'm told exec format error indicates an issue with crossing of eabi/oabi |
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| 20:55.22 | mengesb | tremon: that in the preseed file or a boot-time config passed? |
| 20:56.12 | tremon | mengesb: preseed. My cmdline only has locale= (well, and non-locale stuff) |
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| 20:56.35 | tremon | applepi: well if your eabi kernel is already running, it's safe to assume your userland is eabi too or it wouldn't boot (afaik) |
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| 20:56.53 | qu | Does anyone know of a mysqld.service file that actually works in Debian? |
| 20:56.55 | sheap | Kingsy, they are a requirement for greybird |
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| 20:57.02 | sheap | and bluebird and whatnot |
| 20:58.02 | sheap | I personally downloaded the tar ball off their website and extracted it to (i think) /usr/share/themes |
| 20:58.15 | fommil | SerajewelKS: it is also showing in iwconfig |
| 20:58.39 | SerajewelKS | fommil: you probably have to give it the SSID to connect to as well as any encryption key |
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| 20:59.08 | fommil | SerajewelKS: it is picking up the SSID from the config file I wrote |
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| 20:59.29 | SerajewelKS | fommil: if it's a WPA network then you probably also need the wpasupplicant package |
| 20:59.45 | fommil | SerajewelKS: ESSID. Yeah it's a wpa_supplicant.conf I added |
| 21:00.08 | SerajewelKS | fommil: okay. you're out of my territory now then. :) haven't touched this stuff in years, lately i just use networkmanager or a similar service. |
| 21:00.59 | mengesb | tremon: so I should be fine for my boot parameters as: "console=hvc0 locale=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US console-setup/ask_detect=false preseed/url=....." ? |
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| 21:01.09 | JamesMoriarty | hi |
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| 21:02.15 | applepi | tremon: yeah, that was my other thought. i'm really not sure what to make out of this. |
| 21:02.24 | tremon | mengesb: yes, although I would set en_US.UTF-8 to be more specific (not sure if that's essential). It you're using network boot, your also need hostname= and domain= on the cmdline |
| 21:02.46 | mengesb | hrm; k i'll be more specific then |
| 21:02.52 | mengesb | yeah i have those, i was getting tired of cut/paste |
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| 21:04.14 | mengesb | tremon: so this: ""-- quiet console=hvc0 locale=en_US.UTF-8 console-setup/layoutcode=en_US.UTF-8 console-setup/ask_detect=false netcfg/get_hostname=localhost netcfg/get_domain=localdomain preseed/url=http://... url" |
| 21:04.35 | Brody | centrx jhutchins hi, Ive just finished putting Finnix onto my pendrive and attempting to boot. Unfortunately it stops at 'verifying dmi pool data' still. Next I went round to a friends and got 2 old harddrives. I plugged in the first one, and it booted to verifying dmi pool data but then it went 1 line further! yay. It said 'boot from cd failed.' So next I changed the boot order to look at the dvd drive and put in my debian dvd. Succe |
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| 21:05.02 | tremon | mengesb: my preseed file also sets (debian-installer/) language, country and locale (again), not sure if they're needed |
| 21:05.17 | Brody | ..lets see what happens next :) |
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| 21:05.43 | mengesb | tremon: debian-installer/locale=en_US.UTF-8 ? |
| 21:05.44 | tremon | mengesb: eventually, you'll stumble upon a working config and then vow to never touch it again ;) |
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| 21:06.10 | mengesb | true enough |
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| 21:06.12 | tremon | the full line in my preseed file in d-i debian-installer/locale select en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 21:06.18 | tremon | s/in/is/ |
| 21:06.20 | mengesb | oh yeah i have that in the preseed |
| 21:06.23 | mengesb | oh yeah |
| 21:06.25 | mengesb | preseed stuffs |
| 21:06.28 | mengesb | that was my boot |
| 21:06.31 | mengesb | i need to mod my preseed =) |
| 21:06.49 | tremon | my cmdline only has locale=, without the debian-installer/ |
| 21:06.53 | Kingsy | sheap: you use greybird? |
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| 21:07.24 | sheap | Kingsy, yea |
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| 21:08.23 | Kingsy | sheap: sheap its a bit too light for me, I was hoping for a darker theme |
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| 21:08.51 | sheap | isn't that what you were trying to install? |
| 21:09.10 | Kingsy | no, I already had greybird, but there were a few things about it I didnt like |
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| 21:09.22 | Kingsy | atm I am using NOX |
| 21:09.27 | Kingsy | its alright I guess |
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| 21:10.06 | sheap | ohh |
| 21:10.10 | sheap | maybe albatross |
| 21:10.43 | mengesb | BLEH! |
| 21:10.52 | mengesb | tremon: still getting the prompt 'configure the keyboard' |
| 21:10.57 | mengesb | rages |
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| 21:11.26 | Kingsy | that looks nice |
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| 21:12.18 | tremon | mengesb: try adding DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 to your cmdline, it should log the exact variable it's trying to configure (on alt-f4, you may need to scroll back a bit -- lots of noise) |
| 21:12.56 | tremon | mengesb: do you have a usb keyboard perhaps? |
| 21:12.58 | Kingsy | sheap: so say I wanted that theme, I have this open --> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross <-- do you have to pull that repo using git? you can you download it? whats generally the way? |
| 21:13.12 | Kingsy | I am assuming you have to clone it or something? |
| 21:13.18 | mengesb | tremon: its a vm |
| 21:13.31 | sheap | Kingsy, i think it comes with the murrine themes |
| 21:13.47 | Kingsy | sheap: it doesnt |
| 21:13.50 | tremon | you may need console-keymaps-usb instead of console-keymaps-at, not sure how vm keyboards are emulated |
| 21:13.51 | Kingsy | oh there is a .zip downloader |
| 21:14.12 | SerajewelKS | mengesb: which VM hypervisor? |
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| 21:14.23 | mengesb | SerajewelKS: xen (on xenserver) |
| 21:14.36 | SerajewelKS | ah, okay. i haven't used xen so no input from me, sorry. |
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| 21:15.25 | mengesb | damnit; alternate consoles are a bitch in xenserver |
| 21:15.26 | mengesb | ugh |
| 21:15.38 | mengesb | its that damn keymap for 'american english' |
| 21:15.55 | Kingsy | sheap: ahh yeah it does come in the themes you are right, it looks like crap tho! I am obviously missing something here.. a terminal window for example, everything is dark grey apart from the terminal tabs, they are bright grey, almost white |
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| 21:16.02 | Kingsy | I just don't get it |
| 21:16.10 | sheap | yea there's like the window manager theme |
| 21:16.14 | sheap | and the gtk theme i think |
| 21:16.16 | mengesb | maybe console-keymaps-at/keymap="American English" |
| 21:16.35 | sheap | I run open box and I have to change two things to get the themes right |
| 21:16.36 | Kingsy | ah ha! |
| 21:16.50 | Kingsy | I am just running xfwm |
| 21:16.59 | Kingsy | sheap: is openbox a xfwm alternative? |
| 21:17.06 | Kingsy | I am assuming you are using xfce? |
| 21:17.08 | tremon | mengesb: worth a shot. Although for me, simply "us" was accepted as a valid option too |
| 21:17.22 | mengesb | maybe its not that then |
| 21:17.32 | mengesb | the append lines for this example are very small |
| 21:17.47 | sheap | Kingsy, na, open box is a window manager and xfce is a desktop environment |
| 21:18.03 | Kingsy | sorry yeah thats what I meant |
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| 21:18.21 | Kingsy | hmm changing the wm theme still doesnt change the terminal tab colour |
| 21:18.29 | tremon | mengesb: #debian-boot on oftc should be able to provide you with better pointers (or at least definitive answers instead of my handwaving) |
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| 21:19.15 | sheap | yea I think i just get fed up with messing with it so now some windows have that black bar on the menu haha oh well. A while ago I used xfce and got everything working right, but it took a little bit of tinkering around to finally get it to work |
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| 21:19.17 | centrx | Question: Is there a way I can verify my popularity-contest results are being sent? |
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| 21:20.01 | tremon | centrx: tcpdump or wireshark? as the submissions are anonymously, you cannot expect to query the popcon database for it |
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| 21:20.30 | Kingsy | sheap: haha yeah its really annoying |
| 21:20.42 | mengesb | TES! |
| 21:20.45 | mengesb | YES EVEN! |
| 21:20.47 | mengesb | fuk |
| 21:20.52 | mengesb | lol |
| 21:20.57 | Kingsy | anyway, thanks for the info |
| 21:21.10 | tremon | mengesb: what changed? |
| 21:21.16 | mengesb | thought it worked; didn't |
| 21:21.17 | mengesb | lol |
| 21:21.22 | Kingsy | sheap: out of curiousity.. whats openbox like as a wm? do you get decent performance? |
| 21:21.29 | centrx | Blast |
| 21:22.19 | sheap | Kingsy, yea it's much lighter. Makes my net book much snappier |
| 21:22.25 | sheap | but I also added a SSD |
| 21:22.48 | Kingsy | yeah I am running an SSD, tbh the lack of performance here could be my AMD drivers.. they are crappy |
| 21:22.48 | zenadm1n | I have lubuntu - ubuntu with openbox installed on a netbook. |
| 21:23.04 | Kingsy | I really cant wait until video drviers for linux actually do stuff well |
| 21:23.42 | fritsch | mmh? |
| 21:23.45 | sheap | haha I gave up and just went integrated |
| 21:23.47 | fritsch | if you talk about amd / radeon |
| 21:23.53 | fritsch | all is fine, new enough kernel |
| 21:23.57 | fritsch | and new enough userpsace |
| 21:24.06 | fritsch | everything including hd video decoding works like a charme |
| 21:24.59 | teraflop | Kingsy: what amd device do you have and what performance do you expect? |
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| 21:25.46 | Kingsy | teraflop: I expect similar performance to windows, I cant even drag a window around the desktop without seeing jumpy behaviour |
| 21:25.55 | teraflop | device? |
| 21:26.29 | OpenTokix | Kingsy: I can't relate to what you are seeing. |
| 21:26.47 | fommil | SerajewelKS: W00T! |
| 21:26.57 | Kingsy | its a Radeon HD 6800 Series, I cant remember which exactly |
| 21:26.59 | fommil | SerajewelKS: you'll never guess what it was... the bloody timeout! |
| 21:27.06 | SerajewelKS | fommil: which timeout? |
| 21:27.10 | mengesb | ugh |
| 21:27.13 | fommil | SerajewelKS: DHCP |
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| 21:27.20 | mengesb | looks like i'll have to check #debian-boot |
| 21:27.29 | Kingsy | its not a great card.. but certainly not horrific enough to experience crap |
| 21:27.30 | fommil | SerajewelKS: when I bumped it to 100 as per http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21520 it all started to work :-D |
| 21:27.36 | Kingsy | it plays most games on windows put it that way |
| 21:27.42 | teraflop | Kingsy: hd 65xx here superfast |
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| 21:27.52 | SerajewelKS | fommil: ah |
| 21:28.04 | Kingsy | teraflop: could we benchmark somehow? |
| 21:28.07 | tremon | Kingsy: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? You won't get 3d acceleration without it |
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| 21:29.02 | Kingsy | tremon: no I did not have that installed! |
| 21:29.15 | teraflop | Kingsy: play skyrim through wine at 30-50fps is enough for you |
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| 21:29.19 | Kingsy | tremon: it installed with some strange output tho --> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 21:29.32 | Kingsy | teraflop: wow, thats really good |
| 21:29.59 | teraflop | I did nothing special |
| 21:30.27 | tremon | Kingsy: you probably want firmware-realtek for that as well |
| 21:30.44 | Kingsy | getting it now, thanks |
| 21:31.26 | Kingsy | tremon: ookkk, so I have installed firmware-linux-nonfree, would I need a reboot? |
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| 21:31.54 | fommil | ok, wifi now working... I'm looking in aptitude and seeing that I have 418 Obsolete and Locally Created Packages... this is on a fresh install? wtf? |
| 21:32.02 | tremon | yes. Strictly speaking, rmmod/modprobe the module would be enough but I've never attempted to rmmod my video driver |
| 21:32.18 | Kingsy | ok brb |
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| 21:34.39 | Kingsy | alrighty back |
| 21:34.55 | Kingsy | tremon: so whats a decent benchmark if I don't have skyrim do you think? |
| 21:35.24 | fommil | grr, I'm getting a lot of kernel messages on my console. Should this be happening? |
| 21:35.37 | tremon | well I'd start with dragging some windows around, since that already gave you tearing |
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| 21:36.03 | fommil | never mind, google to the rescue http://tipstricks.itmatrix.eu/?p=437 |
| 21:36.09 | tremon | fommil: it shouldn't, but dmesg -n1 |
| 21:36.15 | berceanu_ | how come apt-cache policy returns Installed: 0.13.1-2 for ipython-notebook, and yet when i start ipython, it says version 2.0-dev?! |
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| 21:37.01 | Kingsy | tremon: looks similar to me tbh |
| 21:37.16 | Kingsy | hmm perhaps not |
| 21:37.22 | Kingsy | I think I need to try some 3d or something |
| 21:37.30 | Kingsy | steam isnt supported on debian is it? |
| 21:37.39 | tremon | not on wheezy, no |
| 21:37.55 | teraflop | Kingsy: sorry i entered late, what drivers are you using? |
| 21:38.16 | Kingsy | teraflop: the proprietry amd drivers |
| 21:38.22 | teraflop | ok |
| 21:38.48 | Kingsy | what a shame, I cant install steam.. haha I have no games to test it with.. |
| 21:38.49 | Kingsy | hehe |
| 21:39.00 | teraflop | you have wine |
| 21:39.06 | teraflop | not the same |
| 21:39.16 | teraflop | more tricky |
| 21:39.18 | Kingsy | what do you mean? install steam using wine? |
| 21:39.25 | teraflop | its possible |
| 21:39.48 | teraflop | but i meant install some windoes game |
| 21:40.00 | Kingsy | I don't have any, they are all on steam |
| 21:40.08 | teraflop | damm |
| 21:40.11 | Kingsy | annoyingly |
| 21:40.12 | Kingsy | hehe |
| 21:40.19 | Kingsy | I wonder if there are any decent free linux games |
| 21:40.27 | teraflop | yes they are |
| 21:40.27 | Kingsy | probably not anything that would pusha gfx card |
| 21:40.36 | Kingsy | oh really? coolio |
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| 21:40.55 | SerajewelKS | i used to play the hell out of bztanks |
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| 21:41.17 | qu | Does anyone know where I can get a mysqld.service that actually works in Debian? |
| 21:41.19 | qu | No such thing in Debian as mysql-prepare-db-dir or mysql_safe. |
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| 21:42.11 | tremon | not sure about "pushing", but there are some nice shooters. red eclipse comes to mind |
| 21:42.18 | teraflop | sauerbraten doom etc etc |
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| 21:42.51 | SerajewelKS | sauerbraten is fun too, not exactly gonna push today's cards though |
| 21:42.57 | Kingsy | teraflop: kinda looks like quake |
| 21:43.06 | teraflop | not cutting edge but you can see fps and all that stuff Kingsy |
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| 21:43.31 | teraflop | so may be a reasonable benchmark |
| 21:43.31 | Kingsy | aw maaaaaaan hehe I want steam.. perhaps I should try it on wine |
| 21:43.33 | SerajewelKS | damn you guys are taking me back |
| 21:43.38 | teraflop | hehe |
| 21:43.40 | SerajewelKS | Kingsy: steam runs natively on linux |
| 21:43.48 | Kingsy | SerajewelKS: its not supported on wheezy |
| 21:43.48 | SerajewelKS | they ported it |
| 21:43.54 | SerajewelKS | ah, hmm |
| 21:44.05 | SerajewelKS | well, i have run steam and some games successfully on wine |
| 21:44.05 | teraflop | ,v steam |
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| 21:44.07 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.45-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.45-1 |
| 21:44.18 | teraflop | uhm thanks judd |
| 21:44.41 | Kingsy | SerajewelKS: I stuck the jessie deb in my sources.list and attempted ot install steam, it literally wanted to change every single driver I had |
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| 21:45.02 | Kingsy | so I bottled it |
| 21:45.09 | SerajewelKS | Kingsy: you shouldn't install jessie packages on wheezy anyway, that's very bad |
| 21:45.15 | SerajewelKS | Kingsy: you might try backporting it instead |
| 21:45.16 | Kingsy | yep |
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| 21:45.43 | teraflop | may be you need jessie Kingsy, using stable is not an obligation |
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| 21:46.32 | fommil | is it possible to set the wifi ESSID by its Address instead of by name? I have a wifi extender with the same name but it has a poor signal from where my desktop is |
| 21:46.49 | teraflop | iwlist |
| 21:47.00 | Kingsy | teraflop: yeah I botted it, there was too much stuff going to be changed. |
| 21:47.13 | SerajewelKS | fommil: i think in that case you would set both the ESSID and BSSID |
| 21:47.28 | SerajewelKS | fommil: BSSID would be the MAC-address-looking thing |
| 21:47.37 | fommil | SerajewelKS: oh cool, I think that's it :-) |
| 21:47.40 | teraflop | oh, set not _see_ |
| 21:47.58 | ABDU1989 | Problem when you open Synaptic out a message that says |
| 21:48.02 | ABDU1989 | E: The value 'hts' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 21:48.02 | ABDU1989 | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
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| 21:49.02 | mtn | ABDU1989: you have a typo in your sources.list |
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| 21:49.32 | fommil | SerajewelKS: thanks again, you've been a lot of help |
| 21:49.40 | SerajewelKS | fommil: no problem |
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| 21:50.21 | fommil | SerajewelKS: any idea how I can find out whit BSSID I am currently connected to? (so I can swap it!) |
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| 21:50.35 | SerajewelKS | fommil: iwconfig output should show you |
| 21:51.25 | fommil | SerajewelKS: hmm, it has an access point that I wasn't expecting |
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| 21:56.34 | Alpha-17 | hello everyone, can someone tell me why the following command doesn't work : ls file~[0-9]? |
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| 21:56.49 | Alpha-17 | to list : file~, file~1, ... |
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| 21:56.54 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 21:56.55 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 21:56.59 | ABDU1989 | mtn this my sources.list http://pastebin.com/vMYMfaNe |
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| 21:57.40 | Alpha-17 | actually it works in my terminal. However, it doesn't work when I run it in a bash script |
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| 21:57.57 | Alpha-17 | I get : syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 21:58.02 | qu | Does anyone know where I can get a mysqld.service that actually works in Debian? |
| 21:58.04 | qu | No such thing in Debian as mysql-prepare-db-dir or mysql_safe. |
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| 21:58.12 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: that probably indicates a syntax error near, but not on that line |
| 21:58.23 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: you'll have to pastebin the whole script for us to help with that |
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| 21:59.23 | linuxator | how to connect to oftc network? |
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| 22:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | linuxator, kinda like... /server irc.oftc.net |
| 22:00.39 | Ultip | Alpha-17: You might just need to write \( instead of (. |
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| 22:01.11 | ankraft | do minor releases (e.g. 7.3 to 7.4) every contain anything more than security patches and bug fixes? |
| 22:01.23 | ABDU1989 | mtn; Are you connected |
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| 22:02.00 | mtn | ABDU1989: must be a typo in some other file. your sources.list doesn't seem to have a typo. |
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| 22:02.56 | Kingsy | ah I got it working, someone released a working deb for it that has been created for wheezy |
| 22:02.59 | Kingsy | seems good so far |
| 22:03.22 | mtn | ABDU1989: this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConf |
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| 22:04.20 | Alpha-17 | here is a pastebin you can run : http://pastebin.com/GjBHcUXK |
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| 22:06.22 | graphenes_condom | Kingsy: you mean a steam package? |
| 22:06.24 | Ultip | Just add \ in front of ) and (. |
| 22:06.32 | ABDU1989 | mtn: Changed in this file grub.cfg |
| 22:06.34 | ABDU1989 | http://paste.debian.net/85321/ |
| 22:06.52 | Kingsy | graphenes_condom: yeah |
| 22:07.00 | Alpha-17 | actually 'file' is a command. However, same issue appear if I replace 'file' by anything else |
| 22:07.15 | graphenes_condom | Kingsy: please can you point me to the url? |
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| 22:07.46 | Ultip | Alpha-17: I gave you the answer twice. |
| 22:07.49 | mtn | ABDU1989: changed? what do you man? |
| 22:08.10 | mtn | man/mean |
| 22:09.25 | Alpha-17 | Ultip: I don't want to escape (. It seems I need it to gather the digits |
| 22:09.38 | ABDU1989 | mtn: Add to Kernel 3.12 bootloader |
| 22:09.47 | Kingsy | graphenes_condom: sure --> https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
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| 22:10.00 | Ultip | Okay, I don't understand then. |
| 22:10.04 | Kingsy | simple enough, it works, using it now.. I am installing a game, so i will let you know if it runs alright |
| 22:10.24 | mtn | ABDU1989: are you saying you fixed your problem? |
| 22:10.32 | graphenes_condom | nice to know Kingsy thanks |
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| 22:11.00 | ABDU1989 | yes |
| 22:11.01 | Alpha-17 | Ultip: you don't understand the problem or the result ? |
| 22:11.08 | Kingsy | working perfect!! playing on fez now |
| 22:11.21 | graphenes_condom | uhm looks fine Kingsy |
| 22:11.30 | mtn | ABDU1989: well good, but I don't see how changing grub will fix a synaptic error. |
| 22:11.32 | graphenes_condom | im reading the readme now |
| 22:11.51 | Ultip | Alpha-17: I don't understand what you are trying to do. I think you understand bash more than I do. |
| 22:12.58 | ABDU1989 | mtn: What do I do now |
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| 22:13.43 | mtn | ABDU1989: I thought you said you fixed your problem. |
| 22:13.43 | ABDU1989 | If the device is locked Lose system |
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| 22:13.45 | d1z | is there any tool like postfixadmin for exim? |
| 22:14.17 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: which filenames do you want to match? |
| 22:14.24 | Alpha-17 | Ultip: I try to display : file~, file~1 and file~6. |
| 22:14.24 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: those () are not doing what you think they are doing |
| 22:14.46 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: ls file~ file~[0-9] |
| 22:15.20 | ABDU1989 | mtn: I do not know what to do now |
| 22:15.42 | mtn | ABDU1989: try starting with the link I gave you. |
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| 22:15.54 | Alpha-17 | Ultip: thank you for your help |
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| 22:16.32 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: yeah but, there is no way to merge these two using a '?' |
| 22:16.54 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: no. the ? wildcard in shell globs is not the same thing as a ? quantifier in a regular expression. |
| 22:17.20 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: ? matches exactly one character, no matter what it is (unless it is a . at the beginning of a filename) |
| 22:17.25 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: actually there is because ls file~?([0-9]) works in my terminal |
| 22:17.51 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: then you are not using bash or any other shell that does standard globbing, you are using some other shell that is incompatible |
| 22:18.09 | SerajewelKS | well, not necessarily incompatible, but that supports non-standard matching expressions |
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| 22:18.27 | Lee_Dunn | email me.. I like gay sex... dunn1055@gmail.com |
| 22:18.38 | SerajewelKS | !ops ^^^ |
| 22:18.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: serajewelks complains about: ^^^ |
| 22:19.04 | SerajewelKS | idoru: ty |
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| 22:20.21 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: echo $SHELL gives me /bin/bash, as I have on top of my script |
| 22:20.45 | berceanu_ | i have a file called ipython-2.0.0_dev.egg-info in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages and ipython --version returns 2.0.0 |
| 22:21.01 | berceanu_ | however the apt version is older |
| 22:21.07 | berceanu_ | how can i remove the 2.0? |
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| 22:22.28 | Alpha-17 | berceanu_: you should look for package downgrade |
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| 22:23.03 | berceanu_ | Alpha-17: no, because this 2.0 wasnt installed via apt |
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| 22:23.24 | berceanu_ | Alpha-17: i installed it a long time ago so i dont remember, but it might have been via pip |
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| 22:23.40 | Mousey | uh |
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| 22:26.59 | berceanu_ | anyone on how i can remove this package |
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| 22:27.57 | frikinz | ?(pattern-list) matches zero or one of the given patterns #man bash |
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| 22:30.51 | ABDU1989 | mtn: Is the problem remained the same fairest possible on this file |
| 22:30.57 | ABDU1989 | http://paste.debian.net/85321/ |
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| 22:32.02 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: you said that the command works in your SHELL, but not in the SCRIPT |
| 22:32.10 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: so what does echo $SHELL say in *your current shell*? |
| 22:32.16 | SerajewelKS | (not in the script!) |
| 22:32.24 | Alpha-17 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.53 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: echo $SHELL in terminal gives me /bin/bash and in the script I get /bin/bash as well |
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| 22:34.54 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: i see, so this is a bash-ism |
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| 22:35.20 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: i don't know that $SHELL in a script necessarily equates to the shell that is executing the script |
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| 22:35.41 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: does the script work if you execute it in bash explicitly? (on the command line: bash scriptname.sh) |
| 22:36.06 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: if that works fine, then what is the first line of the script? if it's "#!/bin/sh" then /bin/sh probably doesn't point to bash, it may point to dash or something else that doesn't understand that pattern type |
| 22:36.13 | frikinz | [ delimits a pattern and expands to a list |
| 22:36.17 | ABDU1989 | Is it one that can adjust on this file |
| 22:36.23 | ABDU1989 | http://paste.debian.net/85321/ |
| 22:36.54 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: no I get the error |
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| 22:37.19 | SerajewelKS | Alpha-17: really. that's odd. i wonder if some shell switch ("set") is set in your login shell but not the shell instance that executes the script. |
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| 22:38.13 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: do not edit that file directly (as says in CAPS) |
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| 22:39.49 | Alpha-17 | I tried bash ls $BACKUP?([0-9])' in the script but same error |
| 22:39.55 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom: Can you help me |
| 22:40.13 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: whats the problem |
| 22:40.24 | graphenes_condom | i dont know if i can help you |
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| 22:40.59 | MrFrood | The default sh on Debian is dash, the default login shell is bash |
| 22:41.15 | graphenes_condom | the changes to the grub config are made in /etc/default/grub ABDU1989 |
| 22:41.28 | ABDU1989 | Problem when you open Synaptic out a message that says |
| 22:41.29 | graphenes_condom | mainly |
| 22:41.37 | ABDU1989 | E: The value 'hts' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 22:41.38 | ABDU1989 | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 22:41.49 | Alpha-17 | MrFrood: I checked both. I use bash on both, script and terminal |
| 22:42.16 | ghostlines | it seems like a botched my python installatiation incorrectly follwing this guide http://bit.ly/1mTuH81 apt-get reinstall python doesn't seem to help either |
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| 22:42.37 | ghostlines | any tips on how I can get python working again without reintall the os |
| 22:43.23 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: and how do you How have you inferred that this is due to grub? |
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| 22:44.37 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 22:45.31 | themill | ghostlines: those instructions only make a virtualenv. If you're not inside the virtualenv, it's not relevant. Just start a new shell. |
| 22:45.53 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 22:46.21 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom: http://pastebin.com/vMYMfaNe |
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| 22:46.45 | Azrael_- | are there packages for a nomachine-clone in debian? want to install a nomachine-server |
| 22:46.49 | ghostlines | themill I can't even run virtualenv . anymore. the clear command deleted system python libs it seems cuz I wan't in the env yet |
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| 22:47.21 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: that sarge repos are for the ancient sarge? |
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| 22:48.05 | ABDU1989 | yes |
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| 22:48.19 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: is there a way to check that ? |
| 22:48.21 | themill | ghostlines: are you running this as root inside /usr? |
| 22:49.05 | graphenes_condom | does the webmin crap have newer verions that for sarge? ABDU1989 |
| 22:49.10 | graphenes_condom | or you are kidding me? |
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| 22:50.45 | ghostlines | themill no, but some libs are gone like gettext for example if i open a python shell I can't even import gettext |
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| 22:51.00 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom: Excuse me, I am weak in English |
| 22:51.08 | graphenes_condom | the more I am |
| 22:51.13 | centrx | Webmin is notoriously insecure as I recall |
| 22:51.32 | spinningcompass | ABDU1989: You'll be in good company. |
| 22:51.35 | graphenes_condom | but ABDU1989 sarge repos for webmin in wheezy makes no sense |
| 22:52.01 | graphenes_condom | centrx: juas call by its name: crap |
| 22:52.05 | graphenes_condom | just* |
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| 22:52.28 | frikinz | ABDU1989: where do you get this error? |
| 22:52.40 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: but anyway do you have more stuuf into /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 22:52.43 | graphenes_condom | stuff* |
| 22:53.25 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom: What do I do to fix this problem |
| 22:53.25 | mengesb | finally figured it out! |
| 22:53.40 | mengesb | crap... that was hairy setting the keymap crap |
| 22:53.40 | graphenes_condom | remove the sarge repos |
| 22:53.58 | ghostlines | themill if I type in pip I get this huge error https://dpaste.de/MOpu |
| 22:54.10 | themill | ghostlines: sounds like your shell is still setting things like PYTHONPATH because you're still inside the virtualenv |
| 22:54.34 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: and did you tried a simple apt-geu update from console? |
| 22:55.35 | graphenes_condom | because talking about crap .... synaptic ... wow |
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| 22:56.10 | berceanu_ | how do i install a package from testing? |
| 22:56.19 | ABDU1989 | Add to Kernel 3.12 bootloader |
| 22:56.50 | themill | berceanu_: you're running wheezy, aren't you? You don't. |
| 22:57.12 | berceanu_ | themill: i am yes |
| 22:57.22 | berceanu_ | themill: what do u mean i dont |
| 22:57.40 | ghostlines | themill I wish I even rebooted the machine. I tred reintall python2.7 but no luck |
| 22:57.56 | graphenes_condom | ABDU1989: sadiki at'alamul fusha al'arabiyya? |
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| 22:59.28 | ABDU1989 | yes im arabic |
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| 22:59.54 | centrx | berceanu_, What are you really trying to do? |
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| 23:00.05 | graphenes_condom | un i dont know if theres an arabic debian channel |
| 23:00.10 | graphenes_condom | uhm* |
| 23:00.33 | graphenes_condom | !en |
| 23:00.33 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 23:00.37 | berceanu_ | centrx: install ipython 1.2.1 |
| 23:00.40 | ABDU1989 | Ken |
| 23:00.41 | graphenes_condom | !arab |
| 23:00.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, arab is http://www.arabeyes.org, or #arabeyes |
| 23:00.53 | graphenes_condom | nice |
| 23:01.11 | Syntaxerror | wow. webchat survives restarting my WLAN-router |
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| 23:01.42 | graphenes_condom | sorry but my fusha is even worse than my english ABDU1989 |
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| 23:02.01 | graphenes_condom | so you could try #arabeyes ABDU1989 |
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| 23:02.58 | centrx | dpkg: tell berceanu_ about ssb |
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| 23:03.03 | ABDU1989 | Thank you |
| 23:03.49 | graphenes_condom | 'afuwan ABDU1989 |
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| 23:05.04 | Azrael_- | what is the standard frontend of debian? gnome/kde, something else? |
| 23:05.24 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom: Learn Arabic |
| 23:06.04 | zykotick9 | Azrael_-: gnome is quasi-default, but whatever you wish really... netinst FTW |
| 23:06.06 | mr_g4bri3l | Azrael_-: Debian supports all popular desktop environments. |
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| 23:06.15 | graphenes_condom | yeah I said even worse than my english |
| 23:06.25 | Azrael_- | i know but i normally don't use one and now don't know which one i should install |
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| 23:07.09 | mr_g4bri3l | Azrael_-:It depnds on whether your system is capable of heavy usage or not. |
| 23:07.36 | Alpha-17 | the problem seems to come from parentheses because I get the error with 'ls file(0|1)' |
| 23:07.43 | graphenes_condom | btw ABDU1989 learn english |
| 23:07.50 | earthian | Hello, Do you know how to disable the LSHIFT+RSHIFT keyboard layout switching in Gnome 3 (Jessie)? |
| 23:08.05 | ABDU1989 | graphenes_condom Unfortunately, did not study in school, however my son myself |
| 23:08.09 | Azrael_- | mr_g4bri3l: it is just for testing. created a vm on a xen-server and want to use it with x2go |
| 23:08.34 | mr_g4bri3l | Azrael_-: Xfce is the lightest you can get. |
| 23:08.56 | Azrael_- | mr_g4bri3l: i want all features. if it is necessary i'll just provide some more power |
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| 23:09.19 | mr_g4bri3l | Azrael_-: KDE is the most featured one. |
| 23:09.26 | ABDU1989 | im bad in english |
| 23:09.30 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks |
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| 23:11.39 | earthian | I have settings for Super+Space for visual change to the next keyboard layout and Ctrl+LShift for next keyboard layout. However the LShift+Rshift still works and I can not find where to disable this? |
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| 23:13.39 | berceanu_ | centrx: Unmet build dependencies: fabric fonts-font-awesome (>= 3.2.1) libjs-highlight libjs-marked |
| 23:14.43 | Brody | jhutchins wow you will never guess whats happened. I was getting quite far into the install, I had connected to a mirror and was in the process of downloading some files. Suddenly the computer just rebooted and went straight back to 'verifying dmi pool data' again. Ive now tried booting with and without the dvd in, with and without the usb in etc. Same message. This is a shame because a few hours ago when I plugged up the new hard driv |
| 23:14.57 | Brody | ..getting past this line and it was detecting the dvd. |
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| 23:16.26 | Azrael_- | quite some packages for a frontend.... |
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| 23:17.43 | centrx | berceanu_, Looks like those dependencies are not in stable. Makes it more complicated. Why can't you use the version of ipython in stable? It looks like it's only a year old |
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| 23:19.36 | berceanu_ | centrx: haha 'only' |
| 23:19.50 | centrx | !sns |
| 23:19.51 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:19.55 | berceanu_ | centrx: latest stable on their website is 1.2.1 |
| 23:20.10 | centrx | berceanu_, That's just a number. What feature in the newer version were you looking for? |
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| 23:20.16 | berceanu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.23 | berceanu_ | centrx: shiny new shit syndrome! |
| 23:20.26 | centrx | berceanu_, They skipped from 0.13.2 to 1.0.0 |
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| 23:21.25 | berceanu_ | centrx: is there no way around this other than upgrading everything to testing? |
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| 23:21.56 | Brody | Oh shit! The PC is now making a high pitch continuous beep noise when i turn it on and stops at verifying dmi pool data. Thats quite scary. oh man |
| 23:22.05 | centrx | berceanu_, You can follow the same source build procedure with those build dependencies that are not available in stable |
| 23:22.44 | centrx | berceanu_, If you really have Shiny New Toy Syndrome, you may prefer testing, but really you should re-examine your lifestyle. |
| 23:23.04 | berceanu_ | centrx: :))))))) |
| 23:23.16 | berceanu_ | centrx: i dont want to move to testing! |
| 23:23.37 | ABDU1989 | Is this one filled program on Debian |
| 23:23.39 | ABDU1989 | https://www.lonelycoder.com/showtime |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | ABDU1989: packages.debian.org, check for yourself |
| 23:24.01 | dondelelcaro | Brody: uh... it's possible that this machine is just dying |
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| 23:24.15 | dondelelcaro | since that's not normal |
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| 23:25.41 | pbn | Hi, when you did uname -a it used to show the date the kernel was compiled. It appears that in Debian 7 it doesn't, perhaps because its a 3.2.x kernel. Also cat /proc/version used to show the compile date but now it doesn't. How do I find out he kernel's compilation date ? |
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| 23:26.04 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: do you get the same error on your system ? |
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| 23:26.18 | centrx | pbn, It does on mine? |
| 23:26.37 | pbn | centrx: uname -a shows the compilation date ? |
| 23:26.46 | pbn | centrx: uname -a shows the compilation date ? is it a 3.2.x kernel ? |
| 23:26.57 | centrx | pbn, No, it is 3.12 in testing |
| 23:27.18 | pbn | ah I got 3.2.0-4-amd64 in stable |
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| 23:27.50 | Roland- | hello I have iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o br0 -j MASQUERADE however br0 has multiple ips but I would only like to use one. |
| 23:27.53 | Roland- | will -d do it? |
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| 23:28.25 | Brody | dondelelcaro lol well i have to try to laugh rather than cry i guess. i think this is a good point to stop for tonight though heh. Cheers for the help guys. |
| 23:28.34 | steven774 | Are there any advantages of using Fake-RAID instead of sortware-RAID(mdadm)? |
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| 23:29.00 | Roland- | fake raid? |
| 23:29.02 | Roland- | check |
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| 23:29.12 | abrotman | steven774: not really |
| 23:29.25 | zykotick9 | !tell steven774 about fakeraid |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | It's actually probably worse |
| 23:30.19 | dondelelcaro | steven774: there's pretty much only disadvantages |
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| 23:30.35 | zinx | steven774: being tied to one vendor's raid implementation on one of their pieces of hardware (other pieces are unlikely to be compatible)... if you consider that sort of thing an advantage |
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| 23:30.56 | dondelelcaro | (it's also questionable whether there are advantages to real raid either; there certainly aren't many at the smaller device sizes) |
| 23:31.45 | zinx | dondelelcaro: real raid has the same advantages as fake raid, except it might be slightly faster :P |
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| 23:32.09 | centrx | Tue Sep 7490 18:32:09 EST 1993 |
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| 23:33.14 | ABDU1989 | abrotman: no package in debian For this program see here https://www.lonelycoder.com/showtime |
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| 23:33.30 | ABDU1989 | And here #hts |
| 23:33.34 | Mousey | real raid = faster, less portable. fake raid = portabler, less faster |
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| 23:35.45 | dondelelcaro | zinx: unfortunately, even that isn't clear; it depends on the precise card and the interface |
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| 23:36.27 | dondelelcaro | you often end up with really odd performance problems which are impossible to figure out |
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| 23:38.11 | SerajewelKS | i prefer software raid just because it's not controller-specific... if the controller dies i don't need to get an identical one to access the data on the disks |
| 23:38.46 | Mousey | ...hence more portabler |
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| 23:38.59 | SerajewelKS | right, my statement was meant to supplement yours, not contradict it :) |
| 23:39.16 | Mousey | SerajewelKS: in fact, even if the controller isn't the issue and the drives just need a new home |
| 23:39.28 | SerajewelKS | and that too |
| 23:39.59 | Mousey | runs all his boxens with swraid 1 |
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| 23:45.05 | sheap | Mousey, whyyy |
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| 23:47.58 | steven774 | abrotman, zykotick9, dondelelcaro, zinx: thanks! |
| 23:48.25 | zinx | dondelelcaro: yeah, seen several reports of Linux software raid being faster than hardware controllers |
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| 23:49.25 | dondelelcaro | zinx: yeah; I've been battling with hardware controllers and SATA PMP lately; apparently even that is difficult to do properly |
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| 23:50.33 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it /seems/ like a piece of hardware with dedicated DSP for parity calculations should be faster.... but, yeah, doesn't work out like that :D |
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| 23:52.41 | Alpha-17 | SerajewelKS: finally I solved the error. If you are still interested in : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/glob#extglob |
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