| 00:00.02 | deuterium | hi. does apt-get use the gnutls library by default? |
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| 00:02.19 | Mousey | why what, i don't understand |
| 00:02.41 | centrx | deuterium, No, and I don't think it uses it at all |
| 00:03.01 | Mousey | apt-get happens in le http://cleartext |
| 00:03.34 | deuterium | hm ok |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | judd: depends apt --release wheezy |
| 00:03.41 | judd | Package apt in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libapt-pkg4.12 (>= 0.9.7.9+deb7u1), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), debian-archive-keyring, gnupg. |
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| 00:05.07 | deuterium | and the keyring apt uses is shipped with the install medium? |
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| 00:05.28 | abrotman | deuterium: what about it? |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | deuterium: Perhaps you should stop reading slashdot and read actual documentation? :) |
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| 00:06.41 | deuterium | abrotman: well, i see apt depends on debian-archive-keyring.. so i guess it's part of the installation medium already.. otherwise how to ensure a proper keychain to verify .deb integrity |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | deuterium: What are you really asking? |
| 00:07.31 | deuterium | abrotman: well, i've just taken a look at the gnutls code and it is absolutely horrible. i would have never expected such a piece of sh.t to be ever used in oss like a linux distro. |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | deuterium: okay, and how is this related to apt? |
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| 00:09.12 | deuterium | abrotman: as i haven't taken a look at gnutls since that bug in 2003 either, i thought i'd want at least to take a look at how debian i.e. apt ensures .deb integrity |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell deuterium about secure apt |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | deuterium: see what the bot told you |
| 00:10.05 | deuterium | abrotman: thx |
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| 00:18.50 | abrotman | deuterium: answer your questions? |
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| 00:20.26 | deuterium | abrotman: will get there, yes |
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| 00:25.30 | deuterium | the integrity check through the release file still relies on an md5 checksum? |
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| 00:26.07 | flami | I knew it |
| 00:26.43 | abrotman | deuterium: instead of sha you mean? |
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| 00:26.50 | abrotman | flami: knew what? |
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| 00:27.20 | flami | I wanted to write "in b4 complaint about md5" |
| 00:27.32 | deuterium | abrotman: yes.. it only read that sha256 is supported since 0.7.7, but not that it is enforced |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | b4? |
| 00:27.54 | deuterium | flami: well, because it's actually a valid complaint |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | deuterium: That may or may not change for jessie, but right, for now it's md5sum, yes |
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| 00:28.09 | abrotman | thought both were on the servers now ? |
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| 00:29.12 | flami | well the problem with md5 collisions that actually work with compressed or binary files like what we deal here is that they are way way way harder to exploit than what happened with the md5 collision in a ps file. |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | the problem? |
| 00:29.34 | deuterium | flami: sure, but still |
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| 00:31.29 | flami | in both cool collisions I know of ( mp3 and ps) the collision is only very small, but by exploiting the way both files get parsed you can have both files hidden in one, but only one gets played/displayed depending on what part of the collision you used |
| 00:32.53 | flami | that is a lot different than exchangeing the behavior of libc , because it was unlikely that libc had 2 versions of itself coded in there . also it doesn't really work for text files. |
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| 00:43.48 | Guest73759 | hey folks im prety deperate... i recently used aptitude, normaly i use apt-get, and it removed important packages ( i cant connect to the inet). how can i fix it again. thx if help |
| 00:44.53 | dondelelcaro | Guest73759: any of the packages removed would be listed in /var/log/aptitude; you can reinstall them |
| 00:45.00 | flami | shouldn't the packages still be in the apt-cache? |
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| 00:45.21 | dondelelcaro | flami: only if they were installed recently |
| 00:46.31 | flami | well if he can't get on the internet, than he can't really downloda them again |
| 00:46.32 | axisys | tftp Transfer timeout .. tcpdump does not show any reply on udp port 69 .. tftpd-hpa server not seeing any log.. no firewall on |
| 00:46.35 | axisys | what gives? |
| 00:47.31 | dondelelcaro | flami: yes, but presumably the original install media exists, and more information can help to get back on the network... |
| 00:47.38 | axisys | in.tftpd -L -v --verbosity 255 --user tftp --address 192.168.1.100:69 --secure /tftpboot gives no log |
| 00:47.58 | axisys | I am coming from 192.168.1.94 |
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| 00:48.37 | axisys | hosts.allow shows in.tftpd: 192.168.1.94 and hosts.deny has in.tftpd: ALL |
| 00:48.52 | axisys | I am at loss |
| 00:49.38 | Guest73759 | so apt-cache install ? would it be possible to install rhrough dpkg? or how could i fix the base files theough an live image or something? |
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| 00:49.59 | dondelelcaro | axisys: and if you tftp; conect 192.168.1.100 69; you don't get anything useful? |
| 00:50.10 | dondelelcaro | axisys: presumably you at least see the packets leaving your host for 192.168.1.100? |
| 00:50.34 | dondelelcaro | Guest73759: yes, it's possible to either. But you'll have to give us more information |
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| 00:51.59 | axisys | dondelelcaro: no I don't .. |
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| 00:52.06 | axisys | dondelelcaro: completely quite |
| 00:53.16 | axisys | dondelelcaro: on server tcpdump shows only pkt coming and nothing leaving |
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| 00:53.41 | axisys | and on the process.. no log .. even though running in foreground and verbose |
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| 00:54.10 | daniel-s | Hi |
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| 00:54.44 | daniel-s | I'm reading a book, it says that .deb packages are BSD ar files (rather than GNU ar) because of some incompatibility. Is that still the case? |
| 00:54.50 | daniel-s | Can I use GNU ar to inspect them? |
| 00:55.37 | dondelelcaro | daniel-s: yes |
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| 00:56.04 | dondelelcaro | daniel-s: it's the common ar format, without long filename and some other extensions |
| 00:56.10 | axisys | dondelelcaro: network is not issue.. I can run nc -u -l 69 on server and tftp; connect; get shows lots of estoctettestoctet |
| 00:56.26 | dondelelcaro | daniel-s: man 5 deb; has the complete details |
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| 00:57.04 | horsik | guys what's the difference between UTC and Universal in tzdata? |
| 00:57.12 | Roland- | hello can i disable the creation of /run or maybe /dev / |
| 00:57.39 | dondelelcaro | Roland-: why would you want to? |
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| 00:58.34 | Roland- | I don't like them being there |
| 00:58.44 | Roland- | and this is a very tiny little small rputer |
| 00:58.48 | Roland- | router* |
| 00:58.53 | flami | you mean like remove /dev or /run from etc/fstab? that sounds like a catastrophy in the making |
| 00:58.56 | Roland- | I am sure it does not need it. |
| 00:59.14 | Roland- | catastrophy ? I remember older debians did not have this. |
| 00:59.26 | Roland- | or any other linux distro |
| 01:00.13 | dondelelcaro | Roland-: it doesn't really matter; they're both tmpfs, and even having a small machine isn't a real reason to get rid of them |
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| 01:00.52 | Roland- | ok |
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| 01:01.50 | dondelelcaro | horsik: I'm not sure if there is a difference |
| 01:01.53 | Guest84063 | dondelelcaro: which information. sry im kina connected thru a c64 in here to fix my system -.- |
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| 01:04.08 | Guest84063 | man ill NEVER use aptitude again. it removed so important things how is it even possible |
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| 01:05.45 | Guest84063 | lol linux-libc-dev, libpcap, libelf1, g++ ... -.- |
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| 01:07.12 | sheap | what did you type? |
| 01:07.25 | dondelelcaro | Guest84063: none of those are actually required packages, though... |
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| 01:07.33 | dondelelcaro | but whatever |
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| 01:08.34 | axisys | dondelelcaro: keep getting in.tftpd[13971]: connection refused from 192.168.1.100 on syslog .. .100 is the tftp server |
| 01:08.58 | axisys | so server is trying to connect itself? |
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| 01:14.58 | horsik | dondelelcaro: well there are two option so idk |
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| 01:16.14 | axisys | dondelelcaro: tftp 192.168.1.100; status says connected .. but get foo says Transfer timeout and tcpdump port 69 shows only incoming pkts |
| 01:16.45 | axisys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.46 | axisys | drwxrwxrwx 57 nobody nogroup 12288 Mar 4 17:35 /tftpboot |
| 01:17.57 | dondelelcaro | horsik: I'm pretty sure they're both UTC; I'm pretty sure that it's not TAI, and there's no way it could be UT1. |
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| 01:19.56 | themill | horsik: you might find that UTC, UCT, Universal, Zulu are all symlinks |
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| 01:23.45 | steven774 | When RAID superblock is 256 bytes in size, then am I correct that it will actually use the whole 4096 byte sector(I have a "4K HDD") on my HDD? Rest of the space on this sector is lost? Not that I mind the few lost bytes :) It's just a theoretical question. |
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| 01:38.16 | ex-parrot | does anyone know where the subversion repo for caff has gone? I can' |
| 01:38.21 | ex-parrot | can't seem to connect with svn anymore |
| 01:39.04 | centrx | Maybe it was subverted |
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| 01:39.23 | ex-parrot | ah nm, the URL just changed a bit. I found it |
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| 01:40.27 | aaron_ | Installed Jessie on my new Thinkpad E440, and gdm3 fails to start ("Oh no! Something has gone wrong.") every time. I think the problem is that I don't have the right driver installed for the Intel integrated graphics controller, but I'm not sure how best to troubleshoot. Any tips? |
| 01:41.03 | centrx | aaron_, lspci and look up the graphics card model on the Internet |
| 01:41.11 | centrx | aaron_, the driver might be in firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 01:42.08 | aaron_ | centrx: I've done that. It's "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)" |
| 01:42.20 | aaron_ | And I've installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but still having the same issue. |
| 01:42.22 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.36 | aaron_ | It's also possible I'm wrong about the driver being the issue, of course. |
| 01:42.36 | centrx | aaron_, weird, there's no model number? How about the motherboard controller? |
| 01:42.49 | centrx | aaron_, Look at the log file for gdm? |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | aaron_: update-pciids |
| 01:42.53 | themill | jpinx: because clive is better and works? |
| 01:43.33 | jpinx | themill: seriously -- debian now decides which is "better" ? |
| 01:43.54 | aaron_ | centrx, see my post here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=112218&p=532419#p532419 for the gdm log info |
| 01:44.01 | aaron_ | abrotman, what is that? |
| 01:44.14 | themill | jpinx: debian decides which can possibly be maintained in the long term -- quvi is maintained and youtube-dl is a scary mess that is hard to keep working |
| 01:44.34 | themill | jpinx: you know, volunteers, stable updates policy, etc? |
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| 01:46.10 | jpinx | themill: fairy snuff ;) |
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| 01:47.00 | aaron__ | abrotman, which package is update-pciids in? |
| 01:47.05 | centrx | jpinx, It is pretty easy to backport a package yourself. I didn't know about cclive myself |
| 01:48.01 | aaron__ | abrotman, oh, i see, need to run as root |
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| 01:49.59 | jpinx | themill: reading man clive makes me realise how easy youtube-dl is ;) |
| 01:50.05 | aaron__ | centrx, this is a haswell chipset, lspci says Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset. Not sure if that's meaningful. |
| 01:50.12 | themill | jpinx: "clive URL" |
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| 01:50.31 | jpinx | centrx: yea - youtube-dl is just a .py so I use the jessie version |
| 01:51.30 | jpinx | themill: I have it set to do lots of options |
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| 01:55.52 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 01:56.01 | someHuman | How do I start a net install? |
| 01:56.11 | someHuman | Do I install straight from the .iso? |
| 01:56.12 | earthian | Hello, Do you know how to disable the LSHIFT+RSHIFT keyboard layout switching in Gnome 3 (Jessie)? It is not enabled anywhere in the system, but still works. Bug? |
| 01:56.19 | someHuman | No need to burn or anything? |
| 01:56.38 | someHuman | Just double click the .iso then click on install? |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell someHuman about ig |
| 01:56.50 | earthian | someHuman, you can flash the ISO straight onto a USB stick or burn on a CD/DVD |
| 01:57.04 | someHuman | AH |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | someHuman: this is all covered in the installatoin manual, I suggest you read it |
| 01:57.14 | someHuman | Ok, so burning is still required. I see. |
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| 01:58.44 | centrx | Lousy humans |
| 01:59.04 | earthian | indeed ;) |
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| 02:23.19 | zerach | Has anyone had problems with Intel (haswell) video + xorg? I'm getting "No devices detected"/"No screens found" errors |
| 02:23.41 | zerach | Migrated to Jessie, same problem there too :/ |
| 02:24.07 | centrx | zerach, Is firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
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| 02:25.45 | zerach | Oh dear l-rd... It's always the obvious I overlook :/ |
| 02:26.23 | dvs | !next |
| 02:26.24 | dpkg | NEXT PLEASE! |
| 02:26.31 | centrx | dpkg: hi |
| 02:26.32 | dpkg | salut, centrx |
| 02:26.59 | centrx | dpkg: robot? |
| 02:26.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, robot is you |
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| 02:28.17 | zerach | Hmm... That actually made no difference :/ |
| 02:28.18 | dvs | wrong answer? |
| 02:29.00 | zerach | Seems so... I have libva stuff installed also, which hasn't made a difference |
| 02:29.10 | zerach | Oh and bumblebee (since I have an Optimus setup) |
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| 02:30.41 | zerach | Hmm... Another option to try, two ticks... |
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| 02:32.44 | axisys | I just started a VM and installed tftpd-hpa and tftp connect fails for that too |
| 02:33.09 | axisys | they are both on 192.168.1.0/24 network on my laptop |
| 02:33.40 | axisys | just default install and placed a file in TFTP_BOOT_DIRECTORY .. what gives? do I need inetd ? |
| 02:33.55 | axisys | tcpdmatch atftpd 192.168.1.223 |
| 02:33.55 | axisys | Cannot find your inetd.conf or tlid.conf file. |
| 02:33.55 | axisys | Please specify its location |
| 02:33.59 | axisys | what the? |
| 02:34.24 | axisys | sudo touch /etc/inetd.conf |
| 02:34.25 | axisys | tcpdmatch atftpd 192.168.1.223 |
| 02:34.25 | axisys | client: address 192.168.1.223 |
| 02:34.25 | axisys | server: process atftpd |
| 02:34.25 | axisys | access: granted |
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| 02:34.38 | centrx | dpkg: thanks |
| 02:34.39 | dpkg | centrx: bitte |
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| 02:36.52 | axisys | http://paste.debian.net/85362/ |
| 02:36.55 | axisys | what gives? |
| 02:37.05 | axisys | fresh VM.. |
| 02:37.13 | axisys | just installed tftpd-hpa |
| 02:37.33 | Moonlightning | > Please specify its location |
| 02:37.45 | Moonlightning | Did you specify its location? :P |
| 02:38.13 | axisys | Moonlightning: for me? |
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| 02:39.17 | daniel-s | dondelelcaro: Hey, thanks (for above) |
| 02:40.20 | Moonlightning | axisys: no, for the other user that just pastedumped something with 'Please specify its location' in it. :) |
| 02:40.54 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.08 | dondelelcaro | hrm.. that's not going to work |
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| 02:41.23 | dondelelcaro | daniel-s: no problem; debhelper does the hard work around here |
| 02:44.43 | axisys | Moonlightning: sudo touch /etc/inetd.conf |
| 02:44.57 | axisys | and then that complain went away |
| 02:45.01 | axisys | silly |
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| 02:45.45 | axisys | I am not using inetd.. but tcpdmatch looks for it.. it should be happy with just /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny if you ask me |
| 02:46.00 | axisys | but that is not the main issue |
| 02:46.53 | axisys | not able to get file from tftpd server and on tftpd server tcpdump shows pts coming in, but none leaving for tftp |
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| 02:51.03 | ledoktre | greetings fellas. Setting up network boot for a custom debian image. Its booting up great, but there's one thing that's got me. Where do you specify a static IP address or at least let it honor the network config built into the image (static ip)? Right now, it seems regardless of what I do, it gets an address from DHCP, and my settings in /etc/network/interfaces is ignored |
| 02:55.16 | centrx | ledoktre, Uninstall the dhcp client or disable it from running on start up? |
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| 02:55.55 | ledoktre | centrx: I can do that -- what Ive done so far is add the ip= line to the config at bootup. It just seems to ignore it. |
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| 02:56.43 | centrx | ledoktre, What part of bootup did you add ip= to? |
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| 02:57.58 | ledoktre | centrx: In pxelinux.cfg. : append initrd=/live/initrd1 boot=live fetch=tftp://10.4.15.1/live/filesystem.squashfs ip=10.4.15.2::255.255.255.240::eth0:static |
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| 02:59.37 | Roland- | hey shat type of bonding should I use to get 4 GB/s out of 4 1 GB/s cards? |
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| 03:25.25 | Axioplase | Hi |
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| 03:27.03 | Axioplase | I have issues with gnome and passwords: I can't submit any password. Be it the login screen, or evolution (if I run C with startx, since I can't log in with gdm), if I press "log in" or "ok" or whatever, the dialog turns gray and nothing happens. All I can do is click "cancel". |
| 03:27.31 | Axioplase | Ideas regarding how to investigate what is broken are appreciated too. |
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| 03:37.24 | PotterSys | hi! i'm trying to configure multiple tap interfaces with 1 bridge for QEMU. however, i tried to expand the config shown on https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network and didn't work (i added the new tap config after the "pre-up" section) |
| 03:38.17 | centrx | !qemu |
| 03:38.18 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.qemu.org/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <kvm>, <virtualization>. |
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| 03:38.40 | centrx | Axioplase, !gnome |
| 03:38.46 | centrx | !gnome |
| 03:38.46 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 03:38.57 | centrx | Axioplase, Probably also #gnome on Freenode |
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| 03:42.17 | Axioplase | centrx: yeah, I asked on #gnome. I first went here because I'm running SID and the problem appeared after a safe-upgrade. |
| 03:42.37 | Axioplase | I thought I may not be the only one with this issue. |
| 03:43.03 | centrx | Axioplase, Check bugs.debian.org |
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| 03:44.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell centrx about bottell |
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| 03:46.38 | centrx | Thanks |
| 03:47.17 | linuxuz3r | how do i add users to sudo? |
| 03:47.57 | NeilHanlon | What distro |
| 03:48.06 | linuxuz3r | debian |
| 03:49.11 | jampola | You can add yourself to the sudo group of users |
| 03:49.20 | linuxuz3r | how |
| 03:49.22 | linuxuz3r | please |
| 03:49.39 | jampola | # adduser 'your user' sudo |
| 03:49.55 | cafuego | then you'll need to logout and log back in. |
| 03:49.56 | jampola | You might need to log out and log in IIRC |
| 03:50.00 | jampola | yep |
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| 03:50.39 | linuxuz3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.57 | cafuego | rolls eyeballs |
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| 03:51.53 | centrx | Run for the hills! |
| 03:52.12 | jampola | You need to logout of you completely. closing and re-opening your terminal window isn't going to help |
| 03:52.21 | SerajewelKS | regarding the hypothetical tool i'm looking for that would print out packages directly or indirectly recommended by other packages, i have described what i want in a bit more detail on a superuser.com question. would it be appropriate to link that here in the hopes that someone here knows of such a tool? |
| 03:52.23 | jampola | logout of your DE* |
| 03:53.00 | jampola | I guess he figured that one out then! |
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| 04:14.04 | System32 | Hi i want to ask abt debian iso package |
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| 04:14.43 | nkn__ | Hello guys, I am packaging my project and getting the lintian warning - embedded-library usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmylib.so.3.1.2: sqlite. I am embedding SQLite for a valid reason. To benefit from the recent performance fixes went into SQlite library. My question is, is it OK to overide this warning? Will that affect the acceptance of my package to the debain archives? |
| 04:14.51 | System32 | Debian netinst 7.4 how do i install it |
| 04:15.08 | System32 | Do i need a cd if i have the iso file to burn it? |
| 04:15.17 | System32 | Hello debian |
| 04:15.41 | potatoceleron | you can write the iso file to a usb or configure grub to boot right from the iso |
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| 04:17.23 | System32 | Current os is windows7 |
| 04:17.39 | potatoceleron | you can write the iso to a usb with a program for windows |
| 04:17.56 | System32 | So i choose to make it through cd from the iso file |
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| 04:18.34 | System32 | Ok..do it have any basics for office application like lubreoffice at the package |
| 04:18.53 | System32 | After installing debian 7.4? |
| 04:19.01 | System32 | Lol im new |
| 04:19.41 | centrx | System32, Net install has the minimal system on it. The rest is downloaded. All Debian packages are available through the APT packaging system from the Debian repositories. |
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| 04:21.19 | System32 | Ok do i need any internet connection if the installation occur from |
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| 04:21.40 | System32 | The usb? |
| 04:21.50 | potatoceleron | System32: now that you have an iso file, you can choose between making a bootable usb, or a bootable cd, and installing from either one. net install is another option, but you do need an internet connection to install from that. |
| 04:21.56 | System32 | Updates or etc |
| 04:22.19 | potatoceleron | do you want to try out the iso file, or do you want to install it to your hard drive? |
| 04:22.34 | potatoceleron | you can do both, or just one |
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| 04:23.03 | System32 | Ya Directly to the hardrive |
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| 04:23.39 | potatoceleron | so your options are net install, install from usb, or install from cd. you will need a blank cd if you choose the last one. |
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| 04:24.05 | System32 | But can i use to install the package without the internet connetion pls sir |
| 04:24.28 | centrx | System32, Then don't use the net install |
| 04:24.44 | centrx | System32, https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 04:24.45 | potatoceleron | without the internet connection, your choices are to make a cd or make a usb installer |
| 04:25.03 | System32 | Ya im going through a 750cd size burn from the iso |
| 04:25.14 | potatoceleron | that should do it |
| 04:25.25 | System32 | Sorry a 750mb cd size |
| 04:25.34 | potatoceleron | still prefers installing from optical disc when the option is there |
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| 04:26.23 | System32 | Is sufficient space for 750 mb or do i need more? But ya still with a cd |
| 04:26.44 | potatoceleron | depends on the cd. probably sufficient |
| 04:26.56 | potatoceleron | if it wont fit on the cd, usb is the way to go |
| 04:27.39 | jampola | XFCE will fit. iirc, it's under 700mb as is KDE and LXDE. |
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| 04:27.55 | centrx | XFCE is on the first CD |
| 04:28.01 | centrx | or maybe it was DVD... |
| 04:28.02 | potatoceleron | lxde? why is it 1 gb for me then? |
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| 04:28.58 | jampola | cdimage.debian.org reports lxde CD1 is 647mb |
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| 04:29.26 | potatoceleron | is cd1 good enough on its own? or will you need the other images too? |
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| 04:30.13 | potatoceleron | i've done a lot of debian installs, but always with the dvd image or the command line "standard" image |
| 04:30.58 | jampola | I think cd1 is enough so long as no other packages aside from the DE are installed. I could be wrong though, I'd always just done an netinst from usb |
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| 04:31.12 | jampola | i've* |
| 04:31.33 | potatoceleron | i'll have to try cd1 then. it might save me a lot of trouble in some instances |
| 04:32.03 | potatoceleron | wishes there was an icewm edition, but eh |
| 04:32.59 | mcurran | anybody here running jessie/sid and struggling with gnome-shell 3.8? |
| 04:33.06 | mcurran | especially gdm |
| 04:33.15 | potatoceleron | i'm from the land of custom distros. tried so many for years, finally got sick of them always messing with whatever i decided was "perfection" and just said heck with it, will go upstream and stay there |
| 04:33.58 | mcurran | that's what I'm trying too |
| 04:34.01 | mcurran | welcome to hell |
| 04:34.06 | System32 | Orh den i got wrong iso file with netinst debian 7.4 what is the link for again without internet |
| 04:34.08 | jampola | potatoceleron, that's when you realise you're getting less work done! which is pretty much the reason I went back to debian from gentoo. |
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| 04:34.19 | potatoceleron | nods |
| 04:34.38 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 04:35.12 | mcurran | I wanna go back to LMDE, but see no need to have all those damn extra packages (mate deps) and also a completely useless desktop environment already installed by default |
| 04:35.35 | mcurran | Is there a quick way to remove gnome fallback? |
| 04:35.38 | System32 | installation w/o internethttps://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable correct? |
| 04:35.42 | someHuman | Am trying to install Debian |
| 04:35.51 | potatoceleron | plus i like to promote free software. debian's standards are closer to what i like than fsf's (because i care about free licensing for "non-software" and debian gets this, but trisquel and gnewsense are in love with the gfdl) |
| 04:35.57 | someHuman | I can't get any of the mirrors for package manager to work. |
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| 04:36.07 | someHuman | Am trying to use UK mirrors because am from Qatar. |
| 04:36.09 | mcurran | nobody here has the current testing installed and has a =broken gdm |
| 04:36.22 | someHuman | I have left gateway and name servers blank. |
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| 04:37.03 | someHuman | Can someone help me? :( |
| 04:37.42 | potatoceleron | worse, they love CC-ND, which is appalling |
| 04:37.42 | jampola | agreed. if I can live with my source list sans non-free, I'm pretty happy |
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| 04:38.36 | someHuman | What should I put on name server? |
| 04:38.44 | someHuman | I have my default gateway in it by default. |
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| 04:39.00 | someHuman | Should I just leave it blank? |
| 04:39.16 | potatoceleron | i don't like being called a zealot though. freedom isn't about telling people what to do, it's about calling non-free non-free and not sugarcoating it. (it's really good to have the repos sorted also) |
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| 04:39.30 | jampola | someHuman, 8.8.8.8 should suffice I would imagine |
| 04:39.42 | someHuman | jampola: Huh? |
| 04:39.49 | someHuman | What's that? |
| 04:39.55 | someHuman | Sorry, Debian newbie here. |
| 04:39.57 | rjsalts | someHuman: probably not, you should put your isps name servers in there. or as jampola suggested, you could use google's |
| 04:40.08 | System32 | cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-CD-1.iso issit its a single installer to be burn with single cd for.the installation? |
| 04:40.23 | someHuman | What's the name sever for anyway? |
| 04:40.55 | someHuman | Or what's that step for anyway? |
| 04:41.05 | rjsalts | someHuman: it's how it looks up a domain name. It needs an ip address with what's called a "caching resolver" to figure out how to make the translation from www.debian.org to an ip address |
| 04:41.20 | someHuman | Ah |
| 04:41.39 | someHuman | rjsalts: Ok, what's Google's? |
| 04:41.52 | jampola | 8.8.8.8 <-- googles |
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| 04:42.50 | someHuman | jampola: Thanks! ;) |
| 04:43.14 | someHuman | Is that safe though? Lol sorry for being paranoid. |
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| 04:43.22 | rjsalts | someHuman: if you're using some kind of home router then many of them will also act in the role of a dns server too |
| 04:43.45 | someHuman | rjsalts: Actually I am. |
| 04:44.01 | someHuman | I am gonna install Debian to my home PC. |
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| 04:45.48 | rjsalts | someHuman: using google's name server will disclose information to them they might not otherwise have. But they're not poisoning results or being otherwise nasty as far as I'm aware |
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| 04:46.13 | potatoceleron | "don't be too extraordinarily evil" |
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| 04:48.44 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 04:48.51 | someHuman | jampola: Hey man! |
| 04:48.56 | someHuman | Sorry I got disconnected. |
| 04:49.16 | someHuman | Last message I read from you was you gave me Google's address. |
| 04:49.20 | someHuman | What did you say after that? |
| 04:49.43 | someHuman | And what was the other guy saying about working with home routers? |
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| 04:49.54 | mcurran | what's a quick command to get the version of a package installed with either dpkg or apt from shell? |
| 04:50.09 | centrx | mcurran, dpkg -l <package name> |
| 04:50.13 | centrx | mcurran, Or dpkg -l |grep <string> |
| 04:50.15 | mcurran | thank you |
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| 04:51.07 | rjsalts | someHuman: that they often run a dns service on them |
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| 04:51.24 | someHuman | rjsalts: Is that a good thing? |
| 04:51.26 | floatmastaflex | hey |
| 04:51.33 | someHuman | Still can't configure package managers :( |
| 04:51.45 | mcurran | do you think the issue I'm having with gdm3 not starting gnome-shell be a conflict of version numbers, like gdm3 (3.8.4-6) and gnome-shell (3.8.4-5+b1)? |
| 04:51.59 | someHuman | I chose UK mirrors because am from Qatar. |
| 04:51.59 | floatmastaflex | if I run aptitude update, how can I make sure certain pacakages (aka PHP) aren't upgraded? |
| 04:52.06 | someHuman | I left http proxy blank. |
| 04:52.12 | rjsalts | someHuman: it varies wildly depending on the software on the router in question |
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| 04:52.33 | mcurran | I was wondering the same, maybe just using synaptic or something and picking with check boxes :P |
| 04:52.35 | someHuman | rjsalts: Which is? |
| 04:53.02 | mcurran | more and more I want to go back to arch, but I friggin hate arch, I wish the gnome-devs get their shit together soon. |
| 04:53.19 | floatmastaflex | actually |
| 04:53.27 | rjsalts | someHuman: I don't know, it's your router. Some of them work well, others not so much |
| 04:53.30 | floatmastaflex | what is the best way to update a production machine? |
| 04:53.49 | someHuman | :( |
| 04:54.09 | someHuman | Mine isn |
| 04:54.17 | someHuman | Mine isn't using DHCP protocol. |
| 04:54.26 | someHuman | So I have to config. manually. |
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| 04:54.56 | rjsalts | someHuman: so what settings have you been using with other computers prior to this. They should work fine here too |
| 04:54.57 | someHuman | What's a DHCP? |
| 04:55.02 | someHuman | Yeah |
| 04:55.07 | someHuman | I set mine manually |
| 04:55.19 | someHuman | I am installing Debian on the other PC. |
| 04:55.23 | floatmastaflex | will an aptitude update update PHP? |
| 04:55.34 | rjsalts | someHuman: dynamic host control policy |
| 04:55.35 | someHuman | This one that am using to talk to you is where I look for details. |
| 04:55.39 | someHuman | Ah |
| 04:55.53 | themill | floatingpoint: stable releases only get security updates btw. And when php has a security update, you probably want to install it. |
| 04:55.56 | someHuman | Where do I find DHCP? |
| 04:56.01 | someHuman | Does it come with my router? |
| 04:56.26 | rjsalts | someHuman: most routers should run a dhcp server |
| 04:56.27 | flami | floatmastaflex: run it in a virtual machine, clone virtual machine, update clone. replace old vm with updated clone? ... at least that's what I try to do. |
| 04:56.34 | someHuman | Lol |
| 04:56.40 | floatingpoint | themill how can I go about updating without changing the version of php? I need php 5.3 |
| 04:56.42 | someHuman | Mine looks like it doesn't? |
| 04:56.47 | themill | floatingpoint: fix your php? |
| 04:57.07 | floatingpoint | themill not helpful. could you please be more helpful |
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| 04:57.38 | mcurran | maybe upgrade and then downgrade the php package |
| 04:57.53 | mcurran | I'm not sure how to downgrade but it's possible |
| 04:57.57 | flami | ahh that php 5.3 that is very near end of life, and noone should use anymore? :P |
| 04:57.59 | floatingpoint | yes, I've done it |
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| 04:58.08 | flami | pin it to squeeze? |
| 04:58.18 | floatingpoint | flami it doesn't matter whether if no one should use it |
| 04:58.30 | floatingpoint | this is a legacy system, thus it needs to be used |
| 04:58.31 | rjsalts | floatingpoint: or just not upgrade the php packages and hope you don't get compromised through many of the known security holes in php 5.3 |
| 04:58.32 | flami | well anyway. you are boned. |
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| 04:58.41 | themill | floatingpoint: no really. php5.3 is dead, gets limited security support at the best of times and is going to get precisely zero security support in another couple of months. You need to fix your php. |
| 04:58.55 | floatingpoint | themill go tell drupal then |
| 04:59.17 | flami | are you actually using an ancient version of drupal? |
| 04:59.30 | themill | floatingpoint: drupal supports more recent php than that |
| 04:59.36 | flami | is that thing on the internets? if not. don't upgdare :P |
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| 05:03.49 | flami | floatingpoint: anyway, if you want to hurt yourself some more, you might get lucky pinning php to squeeze . or you can use package locking, I believe its in aptitude, if not you can use dpkg. |
| 05:04.23 | floatingpoint | flami please do not assume choice in this mattter. thank you |
| 05:05.32 | flami | oh boy. I do hope your legacy box is kept far away from the internet. |
| 05:06.22 | flami | (and if it is, as I said, don't upgrade. why upgrade if you don't need the security fixes anyway) |
| 05:06.34 | someHuman | What name servers can I use? Am doing a Debian installation. |
| 05:06.53 | someHuman | Need to put in name server addresses. |
| 05:07.09 | someHuman | Can't configure package manager without it :( |
| 05:07.21 | potatoceleron | someHuman: 208.67.222.222 is opendns |
| 05:07.26 | centrx | floatingpoint, It is probably because PHP upstream ditches security updates for older versions as soon as a new version is released. |
| 05:07.28 | flami | someHuman: your isp should automatically assign them to you. if not there are the google nameservers for example , or opendns |
| 05:07.33 | sdollins | 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are google public dns |
| 05:07.48 | potatoceleron | you can probably leave nameserver blank |
| 05:08.00 | someHuman | potatoceleron: Did that already, didn't work. |
| 05:08.02 | themill | someHuman: use the same settings as you use on other machines/operating systems there |
| 05:08.09 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 05:08.13 | someHuman | I am using Windows 8.1 |
| 05:08.34 | someHuman | Have any idea/fix in mind? |
| 05:08.48 | flami | what is the problem? |
| 05:09.12 | someHuman | It seems that name server addresses hinders me from installing Debian. |
| 05:09.23 | someHuman | I can't configure package manager mirrors. |
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| 05:09.26 | flami | so you are in the installer? |
| 05:09.30 | someHuman | Can't use any of the mirrors. |
| 05:09.40 | someHuman | Tried other mirrors but doesn't work. |
| 05:09.43 | someHuman | Yes. |
| 05:09.48 | someHuman | Graphical installer.' |
| 05:10.00 | someHuman | I've done ipconfig in cmd. |
| 05:10.05 | someHuman | Nothing useful there. |
| 05:10.19 | themill | someHuman: is this a virtual machine or a real machine? |
| 05:10.26 | someHuman | real machine |
| 05:10.35 | themill | and it's on a wired network connection? |
| 05:10.39 | someHuman | Nope |
| 05:10.45 | someHuman | But I can use wired though lol. |
| 05:10.57 | flami | are you plugged in with a cable to your router? |
| 05:11.08 | flami | really |
| 05:11.08 | someHuman | But am having bad vibes with it. If it gets disconnected, will it use wireless method? |
| 05:11.11 | flami | use a cable :P |
| 05:11.15 | someHuman | Ok ok |
| 05:11.33 | flami | its sooo much easier. unless you rip it out of course |
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| 05:12.46 | someHuman | Rip it out? |
| 05:13.20 | flami | I would restart the computer too once you got the cable in . ... the only way to disconnect when you are on lan is to rip the cable out the socket . |
| 05:13.43 | someHuman | Haha! |
| 05:13.45 | someHuman | WTF?! |
| 05:14.05 | flami | once you are in the installer, it should then configure itself to get access to the internet. |
| 05:14.07 | someHuman | It seems to work, it's just now that I saw apt configuration in work lol. |
| 05:14.15 | flami | oh okay |
| 05:14.25 | someHuman | flami: I think that unnecessary ;) |
| 05:14.37 | someHuman | Thanks dude! Love yah! Hah! |
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| 05:15.27 | flami | I guess using wireless during the installer is possible, but my advice is: don't, ever ;) |
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| 05:22.20 | floatingpoint | what's the best way to upgrade to the latest updated version of php 5.3? |
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| 05:26.36 | centrx | floatingpoint, You could try getting the source of php5 from squeeze and compiling it with dpkg-buildpackage or apt-get -b source |
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| 05:27.05 | floatingpoint | centrx could I switch to the debian squeeze repo and do an apt-get update? |
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| 05:27.57 | centrx | dpkg: tell floatingpoint about ssb |
| 05:28.20 | flami | does dpkg know about package pinning too? |
| 05:28.30 | centrx | floatingpoint, Follow those instructions, except you want to use "squeeze" instead of "testing" |
| 05:28.48 | floatingpoint | ok |
| 05:28.51 | centrx | flami, the bot or the executable? |
| 05:28.51 | floatingpoint | thanks buddy |
| 05:29.05 | floatingpoint | do pins get updates though? |
| 05:29.18 | flami | ahh yes the bot does |
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| 05:29.35 | floatingpoint | I was under the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that pins stay at the exact release |
| 05:29.46 | centrx | floatingpoint, That is the general idea, yes? |
| 05:30.13 | flami | no you can pin a package to squeeze and use wheezy for the rest |
| 05:30.23 | flami | what you mean is aptitude hold |
| 05:30.29 | floatingpoint | oh interesting |
| 05:30.35 | floatingpoint | ok. I will read into it this weekend |
| 05:30.40 | flami | BUT ... pinning is really messy |
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| 05:30.53 | floatingpoint | this whole process is going to be messy |
| 05:31.01 | floatingpoint | this is for a hobby project btw |
| 05:31.14 | floatingpoint | thing is, the hobby project has like 100k users every month |
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| 05:31.41 | flami | not running on a vm is it? |
| 05:32.28 | flami | you could rsync the box to a vm and mess around in there , write down what you do and then do it again on the box |
| 05:32.54 | floatingpoint | yeah, I think I'm going to do that |
| 05:33.11 | floatingpoint | I have to upgrade drupal too |
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| 05:33.49 | flami | when you upgrade drupal , you should get php 5.4 support too |
| 05:33.55 | floatingpoint | yeah |
| 05:34.03 | floatingpoint | I was going to go straight to 5.5 though |
| 05:34.07 | flami | really you shouldn't run such an ancient version of anything |
| 05:34.10 | floatingpoint | however, d8 isn't ready |
| 05:34.13 | floatingpoint | well yeah |
| 05:34.22 | flami | wheezy is 5.4 |
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| 05:34.24 | floatingpoint | but time + money is an issue |
| 05:34.35 | floatingpoint | hobby, remember? |
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| 05:35.27 | flami | if you don't have the time to keep drupal up to date , you should maybe ask someone else to take care of it? it would be a shame to lose all your work because you had an old version that had a known vulnerability |
| 05:35.41 | floatingpoint | yeah |
| 05:35.44 | floatingpoint | i feel you |
| 05:35.55 | ankraft | is there any benefit to partitioning the hard drive vs creating one big partition and segmenting it with LVM? |
| 05:35.58 | floatingpoint | and I totally agree |
| 05:36.13 | floatingpoint | I guess I might do this over summer vacation |
| 05:36.30 | floatingpoint | maybe get an intern to do i |
| 05:36.31 | floatingpoint | t |
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| 05:37.05 | flami | with lvm you can change lvm sizes after a while, also it gives you snapshots. |
| 05:37.44 | ankraft | as far as I can tell, I see no reason to physically partition the drive if I can use LVM. Not sure current best practices regarding this though.. |
| 05:38.16 | flami | however while it is easy to grow or shrink an lvm, its not so easy usually to grow or shrink the filesystem on top of it. |
| 05:39.13 | flami | if yo don't need snapshots or any other of the lvm features, you can just partition your box the normal way |
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| 05:41.06 | ankraft | is lvm required for disk encryption? |
| 05:42.10 | flami | there are many ways to encrypt your drives. |
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| 05:43.37 | flami | you can use ecryptfs for example, it encrypts on a per file base. |
| 05:44.42 | themill | ankraft: luks+lvm is a pretty standard way of setting up an encrypted install and the installer will do it all for you quite well too |
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| 05:46.22 | flami | I think luks |
| 05:46.36 | flami | luks and lvm is full disk? |
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| 05:49.18 | themill | having /boot outside is standard |
| 05:50.05 | flami | ah yeah, but you need a password for /. |
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| 05:53.06 | themill | That's normally the point, yes. You can also do an encrypted $HOME only using pam_mount but you're then not encrypting anything in /etc which is often not what you want |
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| 05:54.10 | JordanJ3 | ankraft, I don't belive so |
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| 05:56.34 | flami | dmcrypt should work without lvm, I assume they use lvm so you don't need to enter a password for every partition . |
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| 06:24.25 | GoldStandard | is there any way to get debian to detect and use firmware on a live usb? |
| 06:25.03 | jordanm | !tell GoldStandard about usb firmware |
| 06:25.19 | jordanm | !tell GoldStandard about installer firmware |
| 06:25.23 | GoldStandard | jordanm try again? :) |
| 06:25.58 | jordanm | GoldStandard: oh, I think I misread the question. placing the firmware file in the correct location should be enough |
| 06:26.06 | jordanm | possibly unload and reload the module |
| 06:26.12 | GoldStandard | ah, okay |
| 06:26.17 | GoldStandard | what is the correct location? |
| 06:26.36 | jordanm | GoldStandard: it should say in the dmesg output regarding the missing firmware |
| 06:27.17 | GoldStandard | jordanm i wouldn't know how to use that and I've just put debian on the usb, but I know that i need firmware-iwlwifi or the wireless card won't work |
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| 06:35.52 | GoldStandard | jordanm do I just copy the .deb into the /firmware folder? |
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| 06:36.22 | jordanm | GoldStandard: I am not sure when dealing with a live usb |
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| 06:36.41 | jordanm | GoldStandard: if you can access the .deb from the inside the live os, you can dpkg -i it |
| 06:37.44 | GoldStandard | jordanm true, that's not particularly convenient though but it will do. More importantly, I do need the graphics card firmware to install for the UI to load at all! |
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| 06:39.18 | GoldStandard | does debian support intel integrated graphics natively? |
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| 06:39.58 | GoldStandard | *natively is probably not the right word |
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| 06:47.19 | GoldStandard | ugh, maybe i could just use stable + nonfree |
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| 06:50.35 | GoldStandard | are there torrents for stable + nonfree |
| 06:50.38 | GoldStandard | ? |
| 06:51.02 | Coweater | intel graphics should just work, there's nothing in non-free for them |
| 06:51.12 | GoldStandard | coweater really? huh |
| 06:51.34 | GoldStandard | coweater could it be because I was using unetbootin? |
| 06:51.51 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm trying to fix a broken system that can't mount its root fs without first doing a fsck. How can I install packages into the rescue environment? (xfsprogs in this case) |
| 06:52.10 | GoldStandard | coweater the problem was i would boot to a black screen |
| 06:52.16 | GoldStandard | coweater and it only worked in fallback mode |
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| 06:53.18 | Coweater | never done the graphical install, it's probably using some vesa mode your card/monitor doesn't like |
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| 06:53.49 | GoldStandard | coweater i'm not installing i'm using a live usb |
| 06:54.31 | Coweater | is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
| 06:55.05 | GoldStandard | coweater noob question: how would I check? I'm not currently in the live usb |
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| 06:56.02 | Coweater | 'dpkg -l|grep xserver-xorg-video-intel', but you'd have to have it booted to do that |
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| 07:28.09 | GoldStandard | ok so when i boot my live cd into amd64 failsafe it works but fails to load gnome 3. When I boot into the default a blank screen loads. I am using unetbootin |
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| 08:07.19 | GoldStandard | i manually created the live Cd using dd and it finally worked |
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| 08:09.07 | GoldStandard | still unsure how to get it to load iwlwifi firmware on boot, though I did see a message that said it had checked so it is probably possible |
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| 08:10.18 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, the firmware is loaded by the module |
| 08:10.21 | GoldStandard | anyone know where to put firmware on a livecd? |
| 08:10.32 | ParkerR | So just make sure iwlwifi loads on boot |
| 08:10.50 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, /lib/firmware but it doesnt stick across reboot |
| 08:10.56 | ParkerR | What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 08:11.19 | GoldStandard | parkerr but the firmware is nonfree so it's not included |
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| 08:11.33 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, the base images incluude the firmware... |
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| 08:11.59 | ParkerR | They include some non-free stuff such as the intel wifi firmware |
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| 08:12.19 | ParkerR | Last I checked... |
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| 08:13.02 | GoldStandard | parkerr really? I saw iwlwifi look for firmware and not find it, also i thought it was all removed? |
| 08:13.49 | finga_ | what is the difference of putting a repository into /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? |
| 08:13.54 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, are you wanting to run the live CD with wifi or just iatll? |
| 08:14.14 | OpenTokix | finga_: none |
| 08:14.17 | ParkerR | finga_, list,d/* is recommended as to keep up with repos and mange the easier |
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| 08:14.23 | ParkerR | *list.d/* |
| 08:14.27 | OpenTokix | finga_: and what ParkerR said |
| 08:14.44 | GoldStandard | parkerr wifi, not sure what iatll is. ethernet works automatically |
| 08:14.45 | OpenTokix | I personally font like the list.d approach |
| 08:14.53 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, *install |
| 08:14.56 | OpenTokix | font == dont |
| 08:15.08 | finga_ | then why do i get no error if i put it into /etc/apt/sources.list and why do i get an error if i put it into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? |
| 08:15.53 | ParkerR | GoldStandard, if you have working ethernet just do sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi: sudo rmmod iwlwifi; sudo modprobe iwlwifi |
| 08:15.58 | OpenTokix | finga_: what error do you get? |
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| 08:16.02 | ParkerR | finga_, formatting |
| 08:16.12 | ParkerR | What does the line look like |
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| 08:16.22 | finga_ | ParkerR, no |
| 08:16.27 | GoldStandard | parkerr live cd for now, may install in a week or so. firmware wont be a problem when I actually go to install cause I can temporarily use ethernet, which is inconvenient for me to use but for a one time use it's ok |
| 08:16.34 | sevenfou1k | hi guys. is there any way I can show only names of packages in "aptitude search" ? |
| 08:16.50 | ParkerR | finga_, No what? |
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| 08:17.35 | finga_ | OpenTokix: W: Failed to fetch http://download.webmin.com/download/repository/dists/sarge/Release Unable to find expected entry 'contrib/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) E: Some index files Failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead |
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| 08:17.46 | finga_ | ParkerR, its no formatting failure |
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| 08:18.12 | ParkerR | So yeah the repo URL is not correct |
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| 08:18.30 | ParkerR | Paste the line you added |
| 08:18.40 | GoldStandard | anyways thanks for the help parkerr |
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| 08:18.54 | ParkerR | No problem |
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| 08:19.23 | sevenfou1k | aha, aptitude --display-format %p search. |
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| 08:20.00 | finga_ | ParkerR: deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib |
| 08:20.19 | ParkerR | woahwoahwoah |
| 08:20.23 | ParkerR | SARGE! |
| 08:20.29 | ParkerR | Holy crap thats old |
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| 08:20.31 | finga_ | ? |
| 08:20.37 | ParkerR | What exactl are you trying to do? |
| 08:20.41 | ParkerR | *exactly |
| 08:20.55 | finga_ | install webmin via puppet |
| 08:21.14 | ParkerR | Find a better source. sarge is many debian versions ago |
| 08:21.23 | ParkerR | Guranteed incompatible with newer systems |
| 08:21.47 | ParkerR | Are you running sarge? Or wheezy? |
| 08:21.53 | finga_ | i set up 5 servers last week, debian 7.3 wheezy and this repo. no errors |
| 08:22.20 | ParkerR | sarge is 3.1. We're on 7.1 now |
| 08:22.27 | ParkerR | *7.3 |
| 08:22.39 | cast | this is really reinforcing the notion to me that webmin is a holy |
| 08:22.55 | cast | [or is that 'holey'?] |
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| 08:23.17 | pfote | more the latter |
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| 08:23.55 | ParkerR | finga_, webmin provides newer downloads |
| 08:23.57 | ParkerR | http://www.webmin.com/deb.html |
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| 08:25.25 | ParkerR | Apparently the debi file is much preferred over the rpo http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/linux-tips/debian-linux-tips/install-webmin-1-6-3-in-debian-7-wheezy/ |
| 08:25.30 | ParkerR | *deb |
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| 08:25.39 | ParkerR | *repo. I cannot type today :| |
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| 08:26.01 | finga_ | ParkeR what is the difference between the repo and the package? |
| 08:26.26 | ParkerR | The package you would have to keep up if webmin had an update |
| 08:26.42 | ParkerR | And as that repo is throwing errors it probably wont be updated there |
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| 08:27.46 | locsmif | Hi all. Console-kit-daemon, can it be removed in Wheezy or is it truly essential? |
| 08:28.16 | ParkerR | locsmif, essential if you are using the GUI desktop |
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| 08:29.48 | ParkerR | If you are using htop to view it shows all the running threads not instances |
| 08:30.01 | ParkerR | So it's not really that hoggy if you are trying to slim down |
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| 08:36.28 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 08:36.42 | someHuman | How do I know what version my Debian is? |
| 08:37.00 | someHuman | How do I also enable wifi? I only can use the net via cable atm. |
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| 08:37.57 | jelly-home | dpkg: tell someHuman about debian suite |
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| 08:39.13 | someHuman | jelly-home: Cool! Thanks! ;) |
| 08:39.23 | someHuman | Whoo! I just installed Debian Wheezy! So rad! ;) |
| 08:39.37 | someHuman | I need to enable my wifi though, it ain't in the options lol. |
| 08:39.53 | nwe | hey guys, can someone help me with this problem I got an dell xps 13 I have load the firmware for iwlwifi but my interface isnt present |
| 08:39.54 | someHuman | I installed Debian via net install with cable. |
| 08:40.11 | ParkerR | someHuman, What wifi card do you have? |
| 08:40.16 | someHuman | iwlwifi? What's that? |
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| 08:40.25 | someHuman | ParkerR: I don't know lol haha! |
| 08:40.28 | someHuman | Ralink? |
| 08:40.31 | someHuman | How do I know? |
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| 08:40.39 | ParkerR | someHuman, lspci and look for the line that looks like the wifi |
| 08:40.49 | someHuman | Ok thanks! |
| 08:40.52 | Darryl | iwifi Is Intels Wifi Card :) |
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| 08:41.06 | Darryl | *iwlwifi* |
| 08:41.32 | someHuman | Hmmm |
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| 08:41.55 | someHuman | Is it network controller? |
| 08:42.00 | ParkerR | Yes |
| 08:42.01 | nwe | Darryl: do you have any idea? |
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| 08:42.10 | jampola | nwe, # modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi |
| 08:42.25 | jampola | if you haven't already |
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| 08:42.33 | someHuman | It's: Ralink corp. Device 3290 |
| 08:42.33 | nwe | jampola: I have already done that.. |
| 08:42.51 | someHuman | OMG loving Debian already! |
| 08:42.52 | jampola | what wifi card do you have? |
| 08:42.57 | ParkerR | someHuman, Does it list a product name? |
| 08:43.19 | someHuman | I don't think so? |
| 08:43.30 | ParkerR | Pastebin the output of lspci |
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| 08:43.47 | someHuman | ParkerR: OK |
| 08:44.28 | someHuman | What's the command for outputing lspci's result directly to pastebin? |
| 08:44.45 | ParkerR | sudo apt-get install pastebinit |
| 08:44.51 | ParkerR | lspci | pastebinit |
| 08:44.59 | someHuman | Cool, thanks! ;) |
| 08:45.50 | someHuman | How do I add my current user to sudoers group? |
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| 08:46.24 | ParkerR | someHuman, did you set a root password when installing? |
| 08:46.26 | someHuman | Is Iceweasel a legit browser? |
| 08:46.29 | someHuman | Yes |
| 08:46.38 | ParkerR | someHuman, iceweasel IS firefox |
| 08:46.43 | ParkerR | Just debian rebranding |
| 08:46.45 | someHuman | Ah |
| 08:46.46 | someHuman | Lol |
| 08:46.50 | someHuman | Cool haha! |
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| 08:47.08 | ParkerR | someHuman, su -c "usermoad -a -G sudo yourusername" |
| 08:47.17 | ParkerR | Then logout and back in |
| 08:47.27 | ParkerR | *usermoad |
| 08:47.31 | ParkerR | Curse my typing |
| 08:47.41 | someHuman | usermoad? |
| 08:47.45 | someHuman | Haha, usermode? |
| 08:47.51 | ParkerR | <ParkerR> *usermoad |
| 08:47.55 | ParkerR | I corrected it :p |
| 08:47.59 | ParkerR | Oh |
| 08:48.03 | ParkerR | usermod |
| 08:48.10 | someHuman | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:48.12 | ParkerR | I typed it wrong the second time lol |
| 08:48.28 | ParkerR | someHuman, thats not a link to apste |
| 08:48.34 | ParkerR | Thats the main site |
| 08:48.36 | someHuman | Haha IKR, wait. |
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| 08:49.20 | someHuman | Can you explain what the adding of member to sudoers group mean? |
| 08:49.37 | someHuman | What should I put on usermode? |
| 08:49.42 | ParkerR | It means you as a user can execute elvated commands |
| 08:49.52 | ParkerR | su -c "usermod -a -G sudo yourusername" |
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| 08:49.55 | someHuman | What does -a and -G mean? |
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| 08:50.07 | ParkerR | -a is add -G is group |
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| 08:50.19 | ParkerR | followed by the group |
| 08:50.21 | ParkerR | then the user |
| 08:50.39 | someHuman | BRB, gotta log out first right? |
| 08:50.45 | ParkerR | Yes |
| 08:50.47 | someHuman | Ah ok cool, ty! |
| 08:50.51 | someHuman | Cya in a bit. |
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| 09:00.44 | ParkerR | And that was the last we ever heard of someHuman... |
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| 09:01.36 | ParkerR | someHuman, Hola |
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| 09:05.31 | someHuman | Hello? |
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| 09:06.20 | ParkerR | someHuman, Whats up |
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| 09:13.46 | someHuman | ParkerR: Hey man! Thanks! ;) |
| 09:13.46 | someHuman | Where are the people lol. |
| 09:13.46 | someHuman | There's like 1305 people. |
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| 09:13.48 | someHuman | ParkerR: Dude, how do I set up my wifi? |
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| 09:14.14 | someHuman | Hello? |
| 09:14.20 | someHuman | Where are the people lol. |
| 09:14.26 | ParkerR | someHuman, You never pastebinned your lspci |
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| 09:15.20 | someHuman | Haha, yeah yeah sorry I forgot. |
| 09:15.57 | someHuman | It isn't pasting anything, just gives me a link to go to lol. |
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| 09:16.16 | ParkerR | someHuman, sudo apt-get install pastebinit |
| 09:16.18 | someHuman | I'd like to print the result from the command directly to pastebin, then it'll give me the link. |
| 09:16.22 | someHuman | Done it. |
| 09:16.34 | ParkerR | lspci | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com |
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| 09:16.35 | someHuman | Why aren't many people on my window lol. |
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| 09:16.41 | someHuman | There are thousands online haha! |
| 09:16.52 | someHuman | What does -b do? |
| 09:17.06 | ParkerR | someHuman, note the URl after it |
| 09:17.13 | ParkerR | It tells it what site to paste to |
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| 09:17.41 | someHuman | Ah ok. |
| 09:17.49 | someHuman | Am new to Debian systems, sort of haha! |
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| 09:18.11 | someHuman | Although I've been to Ubuntu. |
| 09:18.55 | ParkerR | Just paste the link... |
| 09:19.09 | someHuman | Haha ok ok lol. |
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| 09:20.24 | someHuman | http://pastebin.com/TqnNcSCC |
| 09:20.26 | someHuman | ParkerR: http://pastebin.com/TqnNcSCC |
| 09:21.32 | ParkerR | someHuman, sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 09:21.36 | ParkerR | Then reboot |
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| 09:21.54 | ParkerR | Then wifi should work |
| 09:22.27 | someHuman | Cool! |
| 09:22.56 | someHuman | Does the network config. from installation affect how you can use your internet on first using Debian? |
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| 09:23.21 | ParkerR | That might autoconnect but it doesnt matter |
| 09:23.28 | jampola | ParkerR, pretty sure it's in non-free. |
| 09:23.33 | ParkerR | The wifi card will work with networkManahger after the reboot |
| 09:23.41 | ParkerR | jampola, It is... |
| 09:23.53 | ParkerR | Thats why it has to be installed |
| 09:23.54 | someHuman | E: Unable to locate package firmware-ralink |
| 09:24.01 | jampola | there ya go :) |
| 09:24.01 | ParkerR | Aha |
| 09:24.15 | ParkerR | someHuman, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:24.25 | ParkerR | Then add non-free to the end of the repo line |
| 09:24.49 | ParkerR | So the form with be deb http://url.com/debian/wheezy main non-free |
| 09:24.55 | ParkerR | *would be |
| 09:25.08 | ParkerR | deb http://url.com/debian wheezy main non-free |
| 09:25.25 | ParkerR | And then ctrl x, y, enter to save |
| 09:25.52 | ParkerR | Then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink |
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| 09:26.50 | ParkerR | jampola, I usually add non-free rigjht off the bat. I forgot it's not standard haha |
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| 09:26.55 | ParkerR | *right |
| 09:27.35 | jampola | In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to! |
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| 09:27.53 | ParkerR | :D |
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| 09:28.41 | someHuman | Thanks! |
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| 09:29.01 | someHuman | Then reboot? |
| 09:29.17 | ParkerR | Yes |
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| 09:29.40 | someHuman | Cool, thanks dudes! Cya around! |
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| 09:32.28 | mongaj_ | Haven'thad this problem until I plugged my server back in today. Despite already having the gid/uid specified in fstab it is continually mounting as root for some reason. Not user "storage" and group "storage". Any thoughts? |
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| 09:33.02 | mongaj_ | I also swear the drive was ntfs and not vfat as it is now. |
| 09:33.29 | ParkerR | jampola, Luckily my non-free usage is low. steam, atheros firmware, and probably a couple others I cant think of atm |
| 09:33.42 | ParkerR | Luckily my BIOS is coreboot :D |
| 09:34.20 | ParkerR | Why am I usung luckily so much O.o |
| 09:34.26 | ParkerR | Too tired |
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| 09:36.31 | someHuman | ParkerR: Dude, still doesn't work. |
| 09:36.52 | someHuman | And I just found out that I think I wiped out my newly installed Windows 8.1! |
| 09:36.54 | someHuman | Shit! |
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| 09:37.03 | jampola | coreboot is something I need to look at. The bios is the only thing non-free on this machine I guess! Off for dinner! Have fun man :) |
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| 09:37.11 | someHuman | I remember not even touching the any of the Windows partition! ;( |
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| 09:37.22 | someHuman | jampola: You too! |
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| 09:37.34 | ParkerR | someHuman, did you tell it to "Use entire disk"? |
| 09:37.49 | someHuman | No |
| 09:37.56 | someHuman | I did manual partitioning. |
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| 09:38.02 | mongaj_ | someHuman did grub tell you it detected it? |
| 09:38.03 | ParkerR | someHuman, ohhhh |
| 09:38.08 | ParkerR | sudo update-grub |
| 09:38.11 | someHuman | Where are executables located? |
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| 09:38.32 | ParkerR | That will tell you if it find the Windows partition |
| 09:38.47 | someHuman | WTF?! |
| 09:38.54 | ParkerR | WTF what? |
| 09:38.57 | someHuman | WTF man, there ain't ant Windows? |
| 09:39.07 | someHuman | any* |
| 09:39.09 | someHuman | :((((((((((((((( |
| 09:39.15 | someHuman | WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!! |
| 09:39.30 | ParkerR | Face meet palm, palm meet face |
| 09:39.44 | someHuman | Penis meet palm! |
| 09:39.50 | someHuman | Wah! |
| 09:39.52 | ParkerR | ... |
| 09:39.55 | someHuman | Haha! |
| 09:39.59 | someHuman | Shit! |
| 09:40.15 | someHuman | I had enough money to just spend for that OS. |
| 09:40.19 | someHuman | I also use it for school! |
| 09:40.20 | someHuman | FucK! |
| 09:40.26 | babilen | someHuman: Please keep it focused and professional in here. Comments like that are not acceptable. |
| 09:40.37 | someHuman | babilen: Sorry, just really pissed. :( |
| 09:40.54 | babilen | someHuman: It isn't a very good idea to work on this drunk ;) |
| 09:41.06 | someHuman | I don't even drink. |
| 09:41.15 | ParkerR | someHuman, you can reinstall Windows |
| 09:41.21 | someHuman | The closest to alchohol I drink is energy drink haha! |
| 09:41.28 | someHuman | But I already have used the key. |
| 09:41.42 | ParkerR | Face mmet palm again |
| 09:41.47 | ParkerR | You can use the same key |
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| 09:41.58 | babilen | someHuman: Ah, sorry. It's a UK thing to understand "pissed" not in the sense of "pissed off" but as "drunk" -- either way: Why do you think that you deleted your Windows installation? |
| 09:42.08 | ParkerR | Its the smae computer with the same key. It will be finee |
| 09:42.22 | someHuman | ParkerR: Hopefully you're right man! |
| 09:43.13 | ParkerR | I am :D |
| 09:43.23 | mongaj | I'm very curious why mount -a with the correct options in fstab just ignored my uid/gid options |
| 09:43.27 | babilen | someHuman: Could you please take a second and focus. Once you think that you can actually work on this: could you paste the output of "dpkg -l os-prober" and "update-grub2" from within your Debian installation to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL? |
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| 09:46.19 | babilen | someHuman: Once you have done that we can sort out your wifi. You need a newer kernel for that which you can install from backports. Use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/85392 and then run "apt-get update" to activate those changes. Then run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` firmware-ralink" and you should be fine. |
| 09:46.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell someHuman -about rt3290 |
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| 09:46.52 | babilen | someHuman: But lets sort out your Windows installation first. For that I need the output of the aforementioned commands. |
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| 09:47.18 | babilen | someHuman: Hello? |
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| 09:49.43 | babilen | pokes someHuman |
| 09:50.24 | nwe | hello, is it someone more that have problem with iwlwifi I can load the module but the interface isnt present.. |
| 09:50.39 | someHuman | babilen: http://pastebin.com/L3hbGMMB |
| 09:51.19 | babilen | someHuman: Please use http://paste.debian.net or another sensible pastebin in the future (as indicated above). pastebin.com has various problems and I would very much appreciate if I wouldn't have to use that website. |
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| 09:51.40 | babilen | nwe: Did you install the firmware? What does "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi" and "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 09:52.34 | someHuman | http://pastebin.com/fp9ZQ1GN |
| 09:52.39 | babilen | someHuman: Your Windows installation is indeed not found. Are you sure that you didn't touch its partitions? |
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| 09:52.46 | someHuman | Nope. |
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| 09:53.05 | Procy0n | babilen, excuse me for being meta, but what are actually the problems with pastebin.com? |
| 09:53.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Procy0n -about pastebin.com |
| 09:53.43 | Procy0n | babilen, cheers! Point taken. |
| 09:53.48 | nwe | babilen: yes I have |
| 09:54.00 | someHuman | babilen: I bet I have added 'non-free' at the wrong line? |
| 09:54.12 | babilen | someHuman: Okay, could you install gdisk if it is not installed and show me the output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" ? |
| 09:54.21 | someHuman | babilen: Ok. |
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| 09:54.30 | babilen | Procy0n: You are welcome ... The captcha doesn't happen too often, but it is super annoying. |
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| 09:55.28 | someHuman | Where are executables located? |
| 09:55.55 | mongaj | if anyone read my earlier post to the channel i fixed the problem. Just had to unplug and replug the ext hard drive |
| 09:55.57 | babilen | someHuman: No, you need a newer kernel for your wifi for which you also require to add backports repositories to your sources.list -- If you were to use the sources.list I pasted earlier (which uses a metamirror that automatically uses the best mirror for your) you could install the newer kernel and firmware with the commands I pasted earlier. |
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| 09:56.19 | nwe | babilen: I got 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Coporatio Device [8086:08b1] (rev 6b) |
| 09:56.36 | Procy0n | babilen, I think they are trying to fight spam with it, but yes – it's annoying. I use Adblock all the time, so it never occured to me that the site was full of ads :) |
| 09:56.39 | babilen | someHuman: Just run "gdisk -h" and it should tell you if the command is not found. Most executables are in /usr/bin, but others are also found in /sbin or /usr/sbin/ |
| 09:57.28 | someHuman | babilen: Don't see terminal in either lcoations. |
| 09:57.30 | someHuman | locations* |
| 09:57.55 | zaggynl | Is there a recommended way to make a Jessie live cd? like the current Wheezy one? |
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| 09:58.51 | babilen | nwe: It seems as if you need a newer kernel for that one too. Try installing it from backports (see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/) by using a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/85392, then run "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` firmware-iwlwifi" and reboot. I haven't checked if that particular version supports that chipset already, but its your best bet |
| 09:59.20 | babilen | someHuman: I don't quite understand what you mean by "Don't see terminal in either lcoations" |
| 10:00.19 | someHuman | babilen: I didn't see terminal program in either /usr/bin or /sbin |
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| 10:00.35 | babilen | someHuman: So you can't run "gdisk -l /dev/sda" in a terminal? |
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| 10:00.48 | someHuman | Command not found for gdisk commands |
| 10:00.53 | someHuman | Yes |
| 10:00.59 | someHuman | babilen: Yes. |
| 10:01.04 | babilen | someHuman: Sorry, I really don't understand why you are looking for a "terminal program" in /usr/bin and what that "terminal program" is. |
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| 10:01.13 | someHuman | What should I do with the sources.list that you gave me earlier? |
| 10:01.19 | someHuman | Overwrite with the one I have now? |
| 10:01.42 | someHuman | I just wanna use a keyboard shortcut to terminal. |
| 10:01.48 | someHuman | Such as ctrl+atl+t |
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| 10:02.05 | mongaj | someHuman what DE you using? |
| 10:02.16 | babilen | someHuman: yes, exactly. You can install gdisk with "apt-get install gdisk" -- also show me the output of 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "grub*"' |
| 10:02.27 | someHuman | Gnome |
| 10:02.41 | someHuman | Gnome 3.4.2 |
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| 10:03.24 | mongaj | oooh, not sure about key bindings in Gnome, someHuman. these days I've been doing a netinstall and then adding xorg and THEN adding a window manager. Last time I did something like that I used awesome. with gentoo I'm using openbox. both support keybindings |
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| 10:03.46 | babilen | someHuman: Please, don't introduce a *third* problem you want to solve. I can't spend that long on this right now and sorting out your wifi and windows should be what you focus on. My suspicion is that you either tinker with your Windows or that your didn't install the EFI variant of grub (and would therefore have to install grub-efi) |
| 10:04.14 | babilen | will be back later |
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| 10:04.36 | someHuman | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/85398/ |
| 10:05.15 | someHuman | Hmmm |
| 10:05.38 | someHuman | What I did is, removed all of none MS partitions then used the assisted paritioning. |
| 10:05.52 | someHuman | I used the all files in one partition option. |
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| 10:06.55 | mongaj | someHuman I don't understand what you mean by "all of none" |
| 10:07.21 | someHuman | mongaj: Haha I don't understand that either. |
| 10:07.39 | someHuman | What do you mean? I don't remember saying something like that. |
| 10:08.24 | mongaj | someHuman scroll up in your chat buffer...if you did everything right you would have made partitions to install on. You did not touch any of the MS parts right? |
| 10:08.39 | someHuman | Yeah |
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| 10:10.26 | babilen | someHuman: If you used "Guided partition. Use entire disk. All in one partition" you replaced the entire content of your disk. Please install gdisk and show us the output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" |
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| 10:10.55 | someHuman | I didn't use entire disk. |
| 10:11.12 | someHuman | I chose manual partition, or partition by hand. |
| 10:11.19 | babilen | someHuman: That includes your Windows partitions btw. IIRC there isn't a Guided partitioning that does *not* use the entire disk. |
| 10:11.23 | babilen | Ah, okay. |
| 10:11.33 | someHuman | IIRC? |
| 10:11.47 | babilen | if i remember correctly |
| 10:11.51 | someHuman | Ah |
| 10:12.06 | someHuman | But I was right about what I said right? |
| 10:12.10 | babilen | someHuman: What do you mean by "assisted partitioning" if not "guided partitioning" ? |
| 10:12.25 | someHuman | Hmm |
| 10:12.34 | babilen | someHuman: Either way, just paste the output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" and we will see what you did. |
| 10:12.39 | someHuman | Ok ok |
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| 10:12.55 | babilen | nwe: Did that sort out your wireless? |
| 10:12.59 | mongaj | someHuman "df" in terminal should work too |
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| 10:13.03 | someHuman | gdisk command not found -_- |
| 10:13.21 | nwe | babilen: nope, I will upgrade kernel.. |
| 10:13.44 | someHuman | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/85399/ |
| 10:13.51 | babilen | someHuman: Install it! "apt-get install gdisk" |
| 10:14.20 | someHuman | It's already installed. |
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| 10:14.35 | babilen | someHuman: Okay, then run that command as root (or with sudo). |
| 10:14.40 | mongaj | my bad, df only shows mounted partitions. What does "cat /proc/partitions" say |
| 10:14.46 | mongaj | listen to babilen first :) |
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| 10:15.41 | someHuman | babilen: |
| 10:15.46 | someHuman | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/85400/ |
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| 10:26.18 | moncky | Is there a Spacewalk like tool for Debian? My google foo is failing me and I am struggling to belive that there isn't one out there yet |
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| 10:27.32 | cast | what specific functionality are you after? |
| 10:27.48 | someHuman | babilen: You there brah? |
| 10:28.37 | moncky | I want to manage package updates and eratta for over 1000 servers |
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| 10:30.27 | lc | hi |
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| 10:31.35 | waqstar | lc, Hi! |
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| 10:33.42 | cast | moncky: and what sort of tools do you currently use to manage the fleet? |
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| 10:37.32 | lc | i've a usb stick that won't mount, if i show the /var/log/messages something show up |
| 10:37.35 | lc | http://paste.debian.net/85404/ |
| 10:37.55 | lc | but is not mounted |
| 10:38.26 | babilen | someHuman: No, sorry. I've been called away :-/ -- Looks as if you have done the right thing and your disk partitions are there. That is good, the question is now why os-prober doesn't find them. |
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| 10:40.51 | lc | if i show in the /dev/disk/by-path i can see that is symlinked with sdb http://paste.debian.net/85407/ |
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| 10:42.35 | lc | and finally when i show in /dev http://paste.debian.net/85409/ i can see that is in the group "floppy" |
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| 10:42.55 | babilen | someHuman: If you could run that independently with, say, "sudo os-prober" we might see something. Unfortunately I have to leave now and can't walk you further through this. One thing to try would be to backport a newer version of os-prober from sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb" and using that. You might also want to take a look at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=os-prober and/or report a bug yourself (/msg dpkg ... |
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| 10:43.01 | babilen | ... reportbug) |
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| 10:43.23 | lc | if i try to fdisk or dd they can see nothing |
| 10:43.35 | lc | what can i do ? |
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| 10:43.56 | babilen | someHuman: If you want to restore your Windows bootload you can follow any of the many tutorials you see in "fixmbr windows 8" or seek support in ##windows |
| 10:44.25 | petern_ | So the usb stick is not partitioned? |
| 10:45.01 | lc | no |
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| 10:47.31 | babilen | someHuman: having said all that, given that this is an EFI system you should see the Windows boot entry in your "BIOS" and you should be able to simply choose it from there. |
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| 10:48.03 | someHuman | I'll try |
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| 10:49.06 | lc | petern_, if you show my patebin you can see the system |
| 10:49.17 | babilen | someHuman: If you'd like you could show me the output of 'find /boot -iname "*.efi"' now, which should IIRC contain one for Windows, but then I am not too sure about this :-/ |
| 10:49.22 | babilen | someHuman: Sorry for this |
| 10:50.27 | petern_ | What did you do to try mounting it? |
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| 10:52.43 | lc | i've try to mount it in a tem directory like mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/usbdevice |
| 10:53.04 | lc | petern_, i've try to mount it in a tem directory like mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/usbdevice |
| 10:53.10 | someHuman | babilen: Dude, you've done so much! Thanks, no worries! ;) |
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| 10:53.34 | someHuman | Was just prepping food, sorry for late reply. |
| 10:54.46 | petern_ | And... |
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| 10:55.36 | lc | petern_, mount: no medium found on /dev/sdb |
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| 10:56.00 | lc | petern_, same if i try to use dd or fdisk |
| 10:56.47 | lc | petern_, fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb: No medium found |
| 10:58.02 | OpenTokix | lc: ls -l /dev|grep 8, |
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| 10:58.18 | OpenTokix | or, grep disk |
| 10:59.37 | petern_ | "no medium found"... does it wonder on another usb port/computer/operating system? |
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| 10:59.41 | petern_ | wonder? I mean work. |
| 11:00.08 | lc | OpenTokix, http://paste.debian.net/85414/ |
| 11:00.41 | OpenTokix | oh, its a floppy |
| 11:00.45 | OpenTokix | bleh |
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| 11:01.17 | jaami | sem strange why this fails : grep -iR '- ' /home/jaami/ with error grep -iR '- ' /home/jaami/ |
| 11:01.18 | lc | OpenTokix, yes it's strange because it's a usb memory stick |
| 11:01.23 | jaami | seems *** |
| 11:01.36 | petern_ | No, floppy is normal. |
| 11:01.47 | OpenTokix | lc: ok, and is it detected when you do dmesg? |
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| 11:02.14 | lc | OpenTokix, yes http://paste.debian.net/85404 |
| 11:02.27 | petern_ | floppy is just the name of the group that debian uses to let users have permissions to it |
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| 11:02.54 | lc | petern_, i know .. but is normal with a usb memory ? |
| 11:02.54 | OpenTokix | lc: and if you do cfdisk /dev/sdb you get device not found? |
| 11:02.57 | petern_ | lc, "no medium found"... does it work on another usb port/computer/operating system? |
| 11:03.20 | petern_ | yes, using the group 'floppy' is normal for a usb memory stick |
| 11:03.43 | lc | petern_, no it's not working |
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| 11:04.01 | petern_ | It's not working on another computer or operating system? |
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| 11:04.29 | lc | petern_, right i tried on another computer and a laptop |
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| 11:04.40 | petern_ | Ok, then it's probably just dead. |
| 11:04.46 | lc | OpenTokix, cfdisk : FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 11:05.30 | lc | petern_, i think so |
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| 11:07.55 | someHuman | Hello! |
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| 11:08.01 | someHuman | I need to set up my wifi |
| 11:08.06 | someHuman | I don |
| 11:08.14 | someHuman | I don't see any wifi options here. |
| 11:08.18 | someHuman | babilen: You there? |
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| 11:11.10 | musca | someHuman: there are several options how to configure your connection |
| 11:11.17 | musca | !wpasupplicant |
| 11:11.17 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 11:11.23 | musca | !wicd |
| 11:11.23 | dpkg | Wireless Interface Connection Daemon (wicd) is a wired and <wireless connection manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. See also <netdev>. |
| 11:11.31 | musca | !networkmanager |
| 11:11.31 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <nmcli>, <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 11:11.49 | lc | petern_, can i declare it dead ? |
| 11:11.59 | lc | OpenTokix, it's dead ? |
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| 11:19.16 | bagpuss_thecat | cast: moncky on the phone... there's currenly puppet managing infrastructure, but it's labour intensive to match up errata/CVE with installed patches |
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| 11:19.35 | bagpuss_thecat | s/patches/packages/ |
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| 11:20.37 | someHuman | What |
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| 11:21.05 | someHuman | What is yum info 'package' equivalent to in Debian package management? |
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| 11:23.29 | bagpuss_thecat | someHuman: apt-cache show fo |
| 11:23.32 | bagpuss_thecat | s/fo/fo/ |
| 11:23.41 | bagpuss_thecat | I give up typing today |
| 11:23.44 | bagpuss_thecat | 'foo' |
| 11:24.05 | someHuman | Haha! |
| 11:24.17 | someHuman | How big are your finger biceps now bagpuss_thecat? |
| 11:24.45 | someHuman | Haha, I just remembered a photo of a programmer coding for long and have grown muscles on his finer. |
| 11:24.46 | bagpuss_thecat | 'foo'/me flexes |
| 11:24.49 | bagpuss_thecat | CHRIST |
| 11:24.50 | someHuman | finger* |
| 11:24.50 | jelly | bagpuss_thecat: if you're talking of debian packages, they're already matched up... |
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| 11:24.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell bagpuss_thecat about tracker of doom |
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| 11:25.57 | bagpuss_thecat | jelly: cheers |
| 11:27.02 | jelly | someHuman: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 11:30.32 | mortal | is glibc downwards compatible |
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| 11:30.54 | mortal | I need to upgrade dpkg to higher version which requires new libc and locales requires new dpkg :/ |
| 11:31.08 | jelly | mortal: why do you need to do it? |
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| 11:31.21 | mortal | I installed old debian 5.something to a hppa box |
| 11:31.30 | mortal | and there is this unstable repo |
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| 11:31.51 | jelly | mortal: it's not a good idea to mix debian 5 with unstable. |
| 11:32.30 | jelly | while libc6 itself brings compatible symbols, it's built to depend on newer kernel features |
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| 11:33.28 | Brody | hi guys. Last heard from, my pc was halfway through installing debian and had begun downloading files from a mirror when it suddenly rebooted and went to 'verifying dmi pool data'. After a couple of manual reboots, it started a high pitch beep noise when i turn it on. This morning, it is not making a beeping noise but it is hanging at 'verifying dmi pool data'. |
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| 11:34.27 | Brody | Im going to try changing the ram out for 2 other sticks I have. If anyone has a tip let me know :) |
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| 11:35.46 | bagpuss_thecat | Brody: get hold of memtest86+ |
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| 11:37.19 | Brody | bagpuss_thecat thanks for the tip |
| 11:37.27 | mortal | jelly: but I do not know how they install it on hppa :/ |
| 11:37.35 | mortal | debian 5 is the only cd there is |
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| 11:38.15 | jelly | perhaps there's an arch-specific channel that might help |
| 11:38.16 | jelly | !hppa |
| 11:38.17 | dpkg | [hppa] PA-RISC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA-RISC). See "Debian for PA-RISC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa . At Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", official support for the HP PA-RISC architecture was dropped (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/09/msg00008.html). http://parisc-linux.org/ #parisc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:38.21 | go | hi everyone |
| 11:38.32 | jelly | or not |
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| 11:39.52 | mortal | jelly: maybe I need to see if I can upgrade to squeeze |
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| 11:40.15 | jelly | did you read the text above? |
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| 11:42.20 | go | anyone using Jesse Testing on a daily basis? |
| 11:42.30 | themill | hppa is still in sid though. In some form |
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| 11:45.36 | go | *Jessie |
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| 11:45.41 | sdel | yes, with xfce |
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| 11:49.25 | go | is it good enough to not have issues with it? |
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| 11:49.39 | someHuman | So I just installed LMMS |
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| 11:49.45 | someHuman | And I don't see it in my apps. |
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| 11:50.17 | someHuman | Oh, I'd need more help with setting up my wifi. |
| 11:50.40 | someHuman | I don't have a wireless option in my system, at least I think I don't? |
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| 11:51.14 | Brody | ok ive put a different ram card into the machine. it gets to verifying dmi pool data but something new! it says update success after this. |
| 11:52.00 | musca | someHuman: just scroll up a bit, the bot told you about wpasupplicant, wicd and networkmanager. |
| 11:52.53 | finga_ | how can i give the user www-data permission to manage cronjobs? |
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| 11:54.30 | Brody | The machine does not boot from the DVD or the pendrive still though. |
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| 11:54.56 | someHuman | musca: I think configuring in menu->network settings would work? |
| 11:55.02 | someHuman | What should I put in SSID? |
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| 11:59.00 | someHuman | HellO! |
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| 12:01.51 | musca | adduser somehuman netdev |
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| 12:04.45 | someHuman | How do I uninstall/remove a package? |
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| 12:06.40 | musca | !apt |
| 12:06.40 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 12:06.58 | babilen | someHuman: "apt-get remove PKG" or "apt-get purge PKG" -- the latter would remove configuration files too (you typically want that) -- See http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html for a good discussion of these tools |
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| 12:09.17 | berceanu_ | how bad would it be if i installed this package --> https://packages.debian.org/experimental/python-numpy |
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| 12:09.32 | babilen | someHuman: And for your wireless you typically want to use network manager. Didn't you install Gnome? It should have a wireless managing applet at the top. Make sure network-manager-gnome is installed and check if you find something that looks like: https://csl.cs.wisc.edu/sites/default/files/1x_images/Gnome3-1.png |
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| 12:10.13 | babilen | berceanu_: It might have been devastating, but it also depends what you installed it on and what the symptoms are that you now experience |
| 12:10.16 | babilen | dpkg: experimental |
| 12:10.17 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 12:10.21 | themill | berceanu_: you seem quite determined to break your system. |
| 12:10.40 | berceanu_ | the thing is, i need some features from numpy 1.8.. |
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| 12:11.53 | babilen | berceanu_: Use a virtualenv and install it there. See http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/ for documentation and http://virtualenvwrapper.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ |
| 12:12.25 | themill | (there's not much new in numpy 1.8) |
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| 12:14.46 | berceanu_ | babilen: no, i did not install it *yet*. im just planning to install it now on my laptop |
| 12:14.51 | berceanu_ | babilen: which has wheezy |
| 12:14.51 | berceanu_ | themill: :D what makes you say that? |
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| 12:18.53 | darsie | hi |
| 12:19.03 | darsie | which GUI is available for avconv? |
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| 12:22.50 | Opensource | Hello |
| 12:23.13 | Syntaxerror | darsie: you could use WinFF when configuring it the right way |
| 12:23.19 | darsie | thx |
| 12:23.25 | Syntaxerror | darsie: http://code.google.com/p/winff/wiki/UsingAvconv |
| 12:23.38 | Opensource | My current install keeps having a recursive kernal fault when I try and boot, but boots normally in safe mode |
| 12:23.48 | Opensource | any one have any ideas? |
| 12:24.18 | darsie | Opensource: What's a recursive kernal fault? Do you mean recurring? |
| 12:24.36 | Opensource | Darsie : No, that's the error message |
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| 12:25.14 | Opensource | It keeps reoccuring, but the message is something along the lines of "recursive fault reboot needed" after a couple dozen lines of hex |
| 12:25.58 | Opensource | happens most times, but not always, and has me stumped |
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| 12:26.48 | darsie | Opensource: I probably can't help you, but which kernel are you using? Stock or self made? |
| 12:26.58 | Opensource | stock and currently updated |
| 12:28.28 | Opensource | Darsie: dont worry, I just found a bug report from '06 that lists it but no one has fixed it |
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| 12:33.32 | musca | plain FUD, i guess |
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| 12:38.02 | berceanu_ | themill: but numpy 1.8 is marked as stable on their website, i don't get why the debian package is like 1 year behind |
| 12:38.19 | Brody | good news, i loaded fail safe defaults again (and then put dvd as first boot priority again too) and ive got into the installation (again) yay! |
| 12:38.32 | themill | berceanu_: every new release of a library changes interfaces and breaks things (and numpy has been particularly bad at that). |
| 12:38.38 | themill | dpkg: tell berceanu_ about stable |
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| 12:55.01 | berceanu_ | themill: i talked to the numpy people |
| 12:55.26 | berceanu_ | themill: they say 1.8 is very stable |
| 12:55.31 | berceanu_ | themill: :p |
| 12:55.43 | themill | they're answering a different question |
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| 12:56.34 | berceanu_ | themill: what do you mean? |
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| 12:57.21 | themill | berceanu_: As I said earlier, it's not about the stability of the numpy code but whether all the other packages in debian that use numpy can work with that version. They can't. |
| 12:57.43 | themill | See what dpkg said to you as well. |
| 12:57.49 | berceanu_ | themill: but there are a lot of packages that use it in debian? |
| 12:58.00 | themill | yes |
| 12:58.05 | berceanu_ | themill: yes i had a long conversation with dpkg |
| 12:58.14 | berceanu_ | themill: mostly one-sided, i must say |
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| 13:05.37 | przemek | hello any ideas how to remove ssd disk password left by ex customer ,ssd model - toshiba 128 gb :( |
| 13:05.56 | linedash | replace the ssd? :> |
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| 13:06.15 | darsie | ask ex customer. |
| 13:06.16 | linedash | you might have more luck in #hardware |
| 13:06.24 | linedash | this isn't the right channel for that Q |
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| 13:07.09 | przemek | ok I will try #hardware |
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| 13:07.59 | berceanu_ | themill: i think ill go the virtualenv way :) |
| 13:08.13 | berceanu_ | themill: do i need to install virtualenv globally? |
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| 13:09.05 | themill | berceanu_: what's wrong with the python-numpy package again? |
| 13:09.21 | berceanu_ | themill: breaks my code |
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| 13:09.33 | berceanu_ | themill: which uses features from 1.8 |
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| 13:10.06 | themill | In that case yes, you and anyone else who wants to use it will need to do a virtualenv dance (or alternatively, change the code to use supported features) |
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| 13:10.19 | berceanu_ | ok |
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| 13:12.41 | wiktor_ | kimsufi.com * |
| 13:14.15 | wiktor_ | nie potrzebuje szczegolowej instrukcji tylko jak technicznie to ma wygladac |
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| 13:20.04 | abrotman | seems to have a firm grasp of cursing though ;) |
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| 13:27.15 | berceanu_ | hahahaha |
| 13:27.24 | berceanu_ | firm grasp on of cursing!! |
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| 13:36.50 | opanas | hi guys |
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| 13:37.37 | opanas | I have put a script in ~/.kde4/Autostart with root permissions and setuid. This script launches a program and if I check the permission, it is launched by mysername and root instead of the only root user |
| 13:37.43 | opanas | do you know how to fix this behaviour? |
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| 13:38.55 | ABDU1989 | opanas open as root for kde |
| 13:39.13 | ABDU1989 | ؟ |
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| 13:44.06 | ksk | hey |
| 13:44.21 | brubble | looking for some advice as to best file system to use for an external usb hard disk. it's 2tb in size. i've read that ext2 is recommended for external usb (though it appears flash) drives. as my hard drive isn't flash, would i be better using ext3 or possibly even ext4? any advice appreciated. |
| 13:44.31 | musca | opanas: The Linux Kernel simply ignores the SUID-Bit on scripts. e.g. https://bugs.debian.org/213924 |
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| 13:45.16 | ksk | is have an sftp storage product which works fine using opensshs sftp client - but not using sshfs: i cannot create a file and fill it with data in one step then: "echo foo > bar" -> no such file or ... -- do i issue it a second time (so the file is already there) it works --- any idea what to dew? :& |
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| 13:48.11 | berceanu_ | what is the recommended fortran compiler in debian? |
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| 13:50.09 | ksk | berceanu_: using "aptitude search" leads me to the finding that "gfortran" is the only available |
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| 13:51.22 | ABDU1989 | how to install TechniSat Digital GmbH DVB-PC TV Star HD |
| 13:51.35 | berceanu_ | ksk: there is also the one of intel |
| 13:53.36 | opanas | sorry guys I was afk |
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| 13:54.50 | opanas | musca: uhm.. so it's a bug? is there no easy solution? |
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| 13:55.02 | opanas | ABDU1989: what do you mean? |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | berceanu_: I am not aware there is more than one that is packaged for Debian ? |
| 13:55.29 | ABDU1989 | how to install TechniSat Digital GmbH DVB-PC TV Star HD |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | ABDU1989: Please don't repeat, it's annoying |
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| 13:57.31 | berceanu_ | abrotman: i think you're right, cant find a .deb for it |
| 13:57.37 | musca | opanas: there is the option to use sudo without password. But what are you trying to do, please elaborate. |
| 13:57.47 | berceanu_ | abrotman: its freen to download on the intel website |
| 13:57.52 | berceanu_ | anyway |
| 13:57.56 | ABDU1989 | sorry I can not find any way to run on Debian |
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| 13:58.14 | berceanu_ | i created a virtual env, and doing pip install scipy resulted in |
| 13:58.16 | berceanu_ | libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in ['/home/berceanu/Envs/env-ipython/lib', '/usr/local/lib', '/usr/lib/atlas-base', '/usr/lib', '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' |
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| 13:59.07 | opanas | musca: got it. Other alternatives? I just need to launch a program as root at startup (by means of a script) |
| 13:59.10 | musca | opanas: it's a security feature, not a bug. i gave the bug for reference it's since more than 10 years. |
| 13:59.25 | opanas | musca: makes sense |
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| 14:00.08 | opanas | musca: I'll try with sudo |
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| 14:08.09 | hans_henrik | cats |
| 14:08.16 | hans_henrik | i mean, minimal debian |
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| 14:11.26 | earthian | Hello, gnome-shell is using ~20% CPU continuously. Is there a way to see what gnome-shell is actually doing, what executing, etc.? |
| 14:11.44 | drwahl | earthian: strace can give you more insight |
| 14:11.51 | earthian | thanks! |
| 14:11.58 | drwahl | dpkg: tell earthian about strace |
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| 14:21.17 | sgo11 | hi, if I run "sudo dmidecode --type memory" , it returns "Number Of Devices: 4". does it mean I have 4 RAM slots? I remembered the last time I opened the cover, it just has two RAM slots if my memory is not wrong. thanks. |
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| 14:24.23 | OpenTokix | sgo11: It is a little hairy. Since some cheaper motherboards have controllers for more slots, but just have maybe two as actual slots. |
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| 14:25.58 | sgo11 | OpenTokix, ok. Mine is a laptop. Does it mean my motherboard of laptop supports 4 slots, but due to it's a laptop with compact size, it only provides two slots? |
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| 14:26.49 | OpenTokix | sgo11: might be the case, yes - only way to be sure is to open the laptop. - You c an always search on lets say ifixit for your modell |
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| 14:27.41 | sgo11 | OpenTokix, got it. thanks. |
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| 14:29.09 | ciao | ciao |
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| 14:30.15 | ciao | ?list |
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| 14:30.52 | nkuttler | ciao: no warez here or anywhere on this network |
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| 14:32.06 | petn-randall | !list |
| 14:32.06 | dpkg | petn-randall: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 14:35.54 | Mikaela | list is Supybot command to show loaded plugins/commands in plugins. |
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| 14:38.25 | berceanu_ | babilen: how can i make virtualenv use the local version of ipython i installed with pip (1.2.1) instead of the global debian one (0.13)? |
| 14:38.42 | babilen | berceanu_: Ask in #python |
| 14:38.56 | berceanu_ | babilen: i did. |
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| 14:39.11 | berceanu_ | babilen: well, in #ipython actually |
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| 14:39.44 | berceanu_ | babilen: and i only found out how to do the opposite, i.e. use the global one in all virtual envs |
| 14:39.53 | berceanu_ | babilen: which is not what i want |
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| 14:45.38 | babilen | berceanu_: Well, I am working so ... |
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| 14:47.43 | berceanu_ | babilen: np :) |
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| 14:48.36 | steven774 | Is there a single Linux software-RAID superblock on the disk or are there multiple ones? |
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| 14:50.21 | jelly | steven774: there's one on each md raid member device |
| 14:50.42 | ksk | steven774: and the one is backuped on serveral locations on the disk iirc |
| 14:50.49 | jelly | ksk: nope. |
| 14:51.32 | ksk | mhmkay. |
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| 14:52.10 | petn-randall | one superblock per device with mdadm. LVM can have two superblocks per PV, though. |
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| 14:56.07 | steven774 | jelly, petn-randall, ksk: Ok, thanks! And mdadm "--zero-superblock" option(superblock will be overwritten with zeros) is then useful only on those disks, which have been part of the Linux software-RAID and contain this superblock? |
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| 15:05.04 | jelly | steven774: yes. |
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| 15:05.35 | frostschutz | steven774, depending on the superblock version, the mdadm superblock is at the beginning or at the end of the disk; so it's possible to have both, but that's a conflict, so you should get rid of old superblocks before creating new ones |
| 15:06.03 | petn-randall | steven774: There are several revisions auf the superblock, 0.90, 1.0, 1.1 and 1.1. --zero-superblock will make sure and overwrites all of them. |
| 15:06.16 | jelly | steven774: doesn't have to be whole disks; partitions, disks, LUKS, lvm logical volumes if you're insane ... any kind of block device can be a md raid member |
| 15:07.18 | petn-randall | LVM | RAID | LVM | LUKS is my favourite layering fsckup I've seen. :) |
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| 15:07.39 | abrotman | berceanu_: there is clearly a package |
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| 15:10.10 | jelly | petn-randall: I've replaced a failed md member with a raw device-mapper on top of a lv |
| 15:10.55 | jelly | md can't detect 1.0 or 0.9 format if the device isn't exactly the right size |
| 15:11.07 | jelly | and the replacement was jsut slightly biggerr |
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| 15:11.59 | jelly | so it's lvm | d-m | md (or is it the other way round?) |
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| 15:13.00 | frostschutz | ... |
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| 15:13.28 | frostschutz | partitions a 250G -> md -> luks -> lvm for me :) |
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| 15:13.47 | frostschutz | but Linux is nice, it lets you combine any which way, whether it makes sense or not |
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| 15:15.05 | steven774 | petn-randall, "--zero-superblock" will check all the fixed positions(position depends on the superblock version as you explained) of possible superblocks and if it finds one, then it will overwrite it with zeros? |
| 15:15.24 | petn-randall | jelly: "It is also possible for there to be confusion about whether the superblock applies to a whole device or just the last partition, if that partition starts on a 64K boundary." ← man mdadm on superblock 0.90 format. Got bitten hard by that bug once. Killed my RAID10 array in a very subtle way. |
| 15:16.07 | petn-randall | steven774: It will overwrite all superblock locations, regardless if there was a valid superblock or not. |
| 15:16.12 | jelly | steven774: a sidenote, I think it overwrites the first one it founds even if the device for some reason sports multiple md metadata formats at the same time |
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| 15:16.25 | jelly | petn-randall: are you sure of that? |
| 15:16.54 | jelly | petn-randall: afair it's a noop if it fails to find anything that looks like metadata |
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| 15:18.05 | petn-randall | jelly, steven774, sorry, the man page is right: "--zero-superblock :If the device contains a valid md superblock, the block is overwritten with zeros. With --force the block where the superblock would be is overwritten even if it doesn't appear to be valid." |
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| 15:18.21 | entity | hello, can i make some applications "preload" on system startup? |
| 15:18.28 | entity | i'm tired of waiting secinds for my terminal window |
| 15:18.35 | entity | 3 seconds* |
| 15:18.38 | steven774 | petn-randall, you will receive a "unrecognized md component device" error if there is no superblock. Even with the "--force" option. |
| 15:18.52 | entity | i'm using openbox so that shouldn't be an issue |
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| 15:20.06 | petn-randall | entity: Use readahead-fedora if startup is an issue. Other than that, sounds like your storage is incredibly slow. Did you check if the block device is ok? |
| 15:20.38 | entity | petn-randall: you mean the hdd? :P |
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| 15:21.05 | petn-randall | entity: HDD, SSD, USB stick, CD, whatever your installation is on. :) |
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| 15:22.11 | entity | the first startup is the slowest ones, subsequent startups take under 1 second |
| 15:22.45 | entity | i just googled this: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/prelink |
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| 15:23.56 | entity | i'm fairly sure my hdd is fine |
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| 15:27.56 | petn-randall | entity: Fairly sure? :) ... Luckily you can check it with 'smartctl -a /dev/sda', assuming sda is your HDD. |
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| 15:29.23 | entity | i don't have that command installed |
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| 15:29.31 | entity | what package is it in? i'm on jessie |
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| 15:30.05 | entity | smartmontools? |
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| 15:32.20 | entity | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/85447/ |
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| 15:38.15 | feeceight | of the timezones available for selection during Debian installation, does one of these terms set the time just to utc? |
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| 15:40.55 | petn-randall | entity: jessie/sid ist usually supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Your HDD looks good, I guess the long load times must have other reasons. |
| 15:40.56 | DamienCassou | hi |
| 15:41.43 | entity | oh, so i have been annoying people in the wrong channel all this time? |
| 15:42.50 | DamienCassou | what can I do if an old debian does not recognize the "libmysuperlib:i386" dependent field specification? (this works fine on recent ones though) |
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| 15:45.47 | petn-randall | entity: In this case I think the problem will make no difference, but for the future it's best if you ask there, yes. We can change over to that channel, I'm there, too. |
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| 15:46.31 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: pre-wheezy installations don't support multiarch, so they'll fail. |
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| 15:47.32 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: I get an "error occurred while parsing Depends field" error. Is there anything I can do or should I just abandon these users? |
| 15:47.44 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: You could depend on ia32-libs for squeeze and older. |
| 15:48.07 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: Depends on if you want to support squeeze. It's only supported by Debian for another 2 months. |
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| 15:49.06 | entity | the debain irc channels confuse me |
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| 15:49.08 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 15:49.19 | entity | i did /join #debian-next and now i'm in #debian-overflow |
| 15:49.20 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: but that's not the case of the Ubuntu Precise release |
| 15:49.33 | entity | but everything looks as if though i were in #debian |
| 15:50.42 | earthian | language switching when hitting both SHIFTs on the keyboard is starting to pis me off :( |
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| 15:51.10 | Syntaxerror | why are you hitting both shifts at the same time? |
| 15:51.14 | Syntaxerror | (except while playing games?) |
| 15:51.16 | mtn | entity: did you to to irc.oftc.net? |
| 15:51.23 | mtn | go to |
| 15:51.25 | entity | ah |
| 15:51.39 | entity | lol, why not all channels on a single network? |
| 15:51.40 | earthian | Syntaxerror, when typing with both hands and using the shift from both sides depending on which letter I am typing... happens automatically |
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| 15:52.18 | earthian | usually if letter is on the left side I use the right shift and vice versa.. and sometimes I do no release in time before going to the other side |
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| 15:53.10 | earthian | Do you know how to permanently disable LSHIFT+RSHIFT combination in Jessie's Gnome3? It is not in the settings...so I am not sure where it is set to work :( |
| 15:53.27 | earthian | xfce does not have that problem, only gnome |
| 15:53.38 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: I have one control file for all distributions. Is that compatible with what you propose? |
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| 15:56.01 | petn-randall | entity: It has historical reasons. #debian used to exist only on freenode, then the one on OFTC was created, and people are really slow to migrate over, even more so if they get support here ... :) |
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| 15:57.36 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: No, you could just depend on ia32-libs, but that's considered obsolete on newer systems, so I'd make two different control files. |
| 15:57.40 | entity | petn-randall: does this have something to do with the same thing that made you guys rename firefox to iceweasel? :P |
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| 15:58.00 | entity | i mean, what's wrong with freenode :< |
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| 15:58.20 | petn-randall | entity: Nope, firefox vs. iceweasel is due to copyright reasons. |
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| 15:58.32 | Syntaxerror | btw: I can't connect to OFTC webchat through my proxy/firewall |
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| 15:58.57 | petn-randall | Syntaxerror: You'll have to talk to your proxy/firewall admin then. |
| 15:59.01 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: so, I can just specify ia32libs, libmysuperlib as dependencies even though the user package is multiarch and the dependency is only for 32bits? |
| 15:59.57 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: Yes, but only for amd64. For i386 ia32-libs doesn't exist, so you can't depend on it there. |
| 16:00.22 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: that can be specified with the [arch] syntax right? |
| 16:00.27 | Syntaxerror | petn-randall: I'm my own proxy/fw-admin here in this company. We won't open that port |
| 16:00.28 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: If this is a package you want to get into debian, it might be better to ask on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, btw. |
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| 16:01.05 | giorgiodinapoli | hey guys why the hell is my /etc/hosts.deny filling itself with thousands of IPS? i cannot connect anymore due to this via SSH |
| 16:01.10 | petn-randall | Syntaxerror: What are we supposed to do about it? |
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| 16:01.40 | DamienCassou | petn-randall: thanks for the advice. I tried connected to #debian-mentors but failed before I realized I was on freenode |
| 16:01.50 | petn-randall | giorgiodinapoli: /etc/hosts.deny doesn't get edited by default, what program are you using to fill it up? |
| 16:01.51 | jelly | giorgiodinapoli: you have a service like fail2ban or denyhosts enabled and configured to do that? |
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| 16:02.10 | petn-randall | DamienCassou: You're welcome. |
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| 16:02.17 | giorgiodinapoli | actually not that i know |
| 16:02.28 | jelly | find out. |
| 16:02.40 | arcanine | hello, I am trying to add a new thing into the system start up sequence, I am using init.d and update-rc.d here is my script: http://pastebin.com/nbb3LuFr |
| 16:02.45 | jelly | giorgiodinapoli: this does NOT happen on any default debian installation |
| 16:02.47 | Syntaxerror | petn-randall: nothing. just accept the fact, that not everyone can access OFTC but freenode |
| 16:02.52 | arcanine | when I add it into the system it prevents other applications like nginx from starting |
| 16:02.57 | giorgiodinapoli | so i have a virus now |
| 16:02.58 | giorgiodinapoli | or what |
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| 16:03.33 | giorgiodinapoli | theres denyhosts.pid |
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| 16:08.00 | giorgiodinapoli | denyhosts service was responsible |
| 16:08.13 | petn-randall | Syntaxerror: Sounds like a self-DOS I honestly don't really care about. |
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| 16:11.46 | bulloko | So, going from Windows -> Debian, I'm trying to find a good 'Debian for Dummies' guide persay. My experience with any Linux distro is very small. Does anyone know of a few good ones off hand? |
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| 16:13.07 | zykotick9 | bulloko: one option, see http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 16:14.57 | bulloko | zykotick9: I hadn't run into that one. Thanks! Downloading now to take a look! |
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| 16:15.25 | zykotick9 | bulloko: |
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| 16:16.58 | zykotick9 | bulloko: fyi, the debian-handbook package, is a text version of same, available in the default repo |
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| 16:20.21 | Syntaxerror | My webserver is working again *rejoice* |
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| 16:20.42 | Syntaxerror | but only on the chrooted recovery console and it still won't boot *meeeeh* |
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| 16:32.30 | waqstar | Anyone use standard sata disks, and if so what io averages are you getting. Im getting 100Megabytes a sec. Is that average for 7200R SATA? |
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| 16:36.23 | ksk | waqstar: sounds reasonable. this is #debian anyways, sound a bit offtopic. tried google already? |
| 16:37.16 | waqstar | ksk, ok |
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| 16:55.59 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 17:10.00 | grayghost | is there a debian release with eather gnome 3 or xfce ? ... I did not see one on the download pages |
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| 17:11.43 | waqstar | grayghost, wheezy? |
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| 17:12.10 | grayghost | what ever the latest is . |
| 17:12.38 | waqstar | grayghost, wheezy includes gnome 3 |
| 17:12.58 | grayghost | I think I fount the dvd has several flavous |
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| 17:14.44 | mtn | grayghost: the netinstall gives you the option to install most of the main desktops |
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| 17:15.08 | grayghost | ok I will try that ... thanks |
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| 17:15.19 | mtn | grayghost: look under Advanced. |
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| 17:25.11 | raggg | hello |
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| 17:29.22 | harovali | I have a debian squeeze system which needs to be told for each process that is launched, the TZ environment variable localized to my Time Zone , although the TZ variable HAS THAT VALUE assigned in /etc/environment and exported. I have no idea why this happens, any hint is welcome |
| 17:29.52 | feeceight | how do I instruct to master and burn an ISO9660 volume with Joliet and Rock-Ridge extensions on a when writing ordinary data, not a disk image? |
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| 17:30.05 | feeceight | *I mean with wodim |
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| 17:30.53 | feeceight | growisofs has -R and -J for that... |
| 17:31.19 | centrx | harovali, Export it in your .bashrc? What package has /etc/environment? I don't seem to have it on my system. |
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| 17:36.59 | feeceight | I got /etc/environment as an empty file |
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| 17:41.23 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 17:41.24 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 17:42.10 | jhutchins | !timezone |
| 17:42.10 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 17:45.32 | harovali | centrx: sure, but how do I tell system processes the TZ? |
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| 18:28.37 | entity | hello, i'm looking for the 'tomb' program |
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| 18:28.56 | entity | it lets you create safe storage files, sorta |
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| 18:29.23 | entity | apt-cache search didn't come up with anything |
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| 18:31.06 | entity | i see "tomb: crypto undertaker, requested 1128 days ago" here: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested_byage |
| 18:31.20 | entity | so why was it never added? |
| 18:31.43 | earthian | bugs? did you check experimental branch? |
| 18:31.48 | earthian | sid? |
| 18:32.30 | entity | doesn't seem to be anywhere |
| 18:32.57 | entity | maybe i should use cryptmount instead? |
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| 18:33.21 | earthian | depends what you want to do. If anything else works like cryptmount, why not? |
| 18:33.22 | scoofy | can anyone recommend a dark skin that is compatible with iceweasel 22 ? |
| 18:33.35 | centrx | entity, Anyone can request a package. A Debian Developer has to be interested in packaging it. |
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| 18:35.17 | entity | centrx: looks like the owner/whoever said he'd package it but he never did: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611660 |
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| 18:36.43 | centrx | entity, Right |
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| 18:38.12 | fab | Hi, i am trying to run autofs on my debian server (kernel 3.2.41-042stab078.27, 32 bit), and i have the following message "Starting automount: Error: failed to load autofs4 module" |
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| 18:38.39 | fab | i thought maybe the packet was broken so i installed autofs from source but the same problem happened |
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| 18:39.36 | centrx | fab, Have you tried using the stock kernel? |
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| 18:40.55 | fab | hi, sorry but what do you mean by stock ? |
| 18:41.07 | fab | this kernel is cutomized ? |
| 18:41.14 | fab | *customized |
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| 18:41.43 | centrx | fab, Your version of the kernel may not match the version of the module you are installing. |
| 18:41.59 | centrx | ,kernels |
| 18:42.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 18:42.47 | scoofy | anyone has an idea how to install 'nasa night launch' skin for iceweasel 22 ? |
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| 18:45.25 | scoofy | ok, managed to install some version of it |
| 18:45.43 | fab | centrx, what is weird is that i dont have any *.ko module file in the compiled autofs files ... mybe it shipped in another package |
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| 18:48.12 | JordiGH | Is there a recommendation of Debian laptops to buy? |
| 18:48.18 | JordiGH | Like, a wiki page or something? |
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| 18:49.04 | centrx | JordiGH, Probably not, since hardware sales and software support change so frequently |
| 18:49.17 | centrx | JordiGH, Just check that the hardware you want buy has drivers in Debian |
| 18:49.24 | JordiGH | Hmmm... http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 18:49.36 | JordiGH | centrx: I'm hoping someone has else already done this cataloguing. |
| 18:50.02 | centrx | That site looks very old |
| 18:50.11 | centrx | Acer 1642ZWLMi [Debian Etch 4.0] |
| 18:50.40 | centrx | JordiGH, Generally everything is supported. |
| 18:51.02 | musca | well, sooner or later ... |
| 18:51.06 | JordiGH | centrx: Sure, "generally"... |
| 18:51.19 | centrx | JordiGH, It is merely a matter of age though for x86 |
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| 18:51.49 | centrx | JordiGH, Very new hardware might lack drivers. Hardware since the last stable release might have a few difficulties installing (e.g. using net install without the wifi driver) |
| 18:51.51 | cweiske | can I contribute patches to fix bugs in debian? where do I find the sources? |
| 18:52.24 | JordiGH | centrx: There are obvious things to avoid like nvidia cards. |
| 18:52.26 | AimHere | cweiske, sources for a debian package can be downloaded with apt-get source <packagename> |
| 18:52.42 | centrx | JordiGH, Why avoid nvidia cards? I thought it was avoid ATI cards? |
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| 18:52.46 | JordiGH | centrx: You're speaking in broad generalities that ignore many interesting particulars. |
| 18:52.54 | stmiller | http://sources.debian.net/ cweiske |
| 18:53.01 | JordiGH | centrx: Because nouvaeu doesn't work yet, and because the fucking nvidia blob is a pain in the ass. |
| 18:53.13 | centrx | JordiGH, nouveau works on my computer... |
| 18:53.26 | JordiGH | Does it work on all computers? Easier to avoid nvidia. |
| 18:53.29 | musca | JordiGH: there is an official debian backports repo for updated kernels and drivers |
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| 18:54.12 | centrx | JordiGH, But where did you get this idea? My understanding was nvidia had pretty good Linux support and you should avoid ATI. |
| 18:54.18 | JordiGH | musca: This is for my little brother who doesn't know much about computers. The easier I can make it for him, the better. I don't want to start to explain to him how to edit his /etc/apt/sources.list in order to enable backports, and what pin priorities are, and all that. |
| 18:54.38 | cweiske | stmiller, thanks |
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| 18:54.51 | JordiGH | centrx: nvidia has been horrible to Linux throughout the years and they still have done nothing substantial to provide free drivers. There's a good reason why Linus gave them the finger. |
| 18:54.59 | JordiGH | centrx: at least ATI has released specs. |
| 18:55.04 | JordiGH | Or AMD, nowadays. |
| 18:56.14 | stmiller | cweiske the best thing is to get on debian mailing lists for the app or project you want to help with and start there asking how to contribute |
| 18:56.18 | cweiske | how do I provide the git patches back? |
| 18:56.31 | centrx | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/02/03/linus-torvalds-applauds-nvidia-for-posting-early-tegra-k1-open-source-drivers-to-the-nouveau-project/ |
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| 18:56.54 | cweiske | ok, I'll ask on the project lsit |
| 18:57.01 | JordiGH | centrx: Pointless lip service, and only for one embedded chipset. |
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| 18:57.19 | JordiGH | centrx: This PR stunt doesn't do anything for the vast majority of nvidia chipsets. |
| 18:58.15 | centrx | It seems like pointless lip service either way. The actual practical Linux support for nvidia seems better than ATI. |
| 18:58.22 | stmiller | https://www.debian.org/intro/help how to help / contribute to debian |
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| 18:58.36 | JordiGH | centrx: There's other option that you seem to have completely overlooked: intel has had free drivers forever. |
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| 18:59.27 | centrx | JordiGH, Sure, but if you are so certain about the graphics card support, what is the difficulty in finding a laptop with an Intel graphics card? |
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| 18:59.47 | JordiGH | centrx: That's but one part of what I'm looking for. |
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| 19:00.10 | JordiGH | I was hoping that someone had already catalogued good Debian laptops, but I guess they haven't. |
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| 19:00.16 | centrx | JordiGH, What others would have problems besides graphics and wifi? |
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| 19:00.33 | centrx | JordiGH, The list becomes obsolete after a few months |
| 19:00.43 | JordiGH | Oh, nowadays there's all this fancy shit like touchscreens, webcams, microphones, and fingerprint readers. |
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| 19:01.03 | jhutchins | JordiGH: Could we please have civil language in here? |
| 19:01.04 | JordiGH | Oh, and reliably suspending, that's always fun too. |
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| 19:01.26 | JordiGH | jhutchins: Are you objecting to profane language in English? |
| 19:01.30 | centrx | Your brother doesn't need to waste his time with that stuff. He should be spending his time writing essays and read books.google.com |
| 19:01.54 | JordiGH | centrx: Exactly, which is why I'm trying to save him time by figuring out which laptop to buy that just works with Debian. |
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| 19:03.11 | JordiGH | Pop in Debian install media, install, everything works. This is possible if you are careful with the hardware you buy. |
| 19:04.36 | musca | yes. And the other 99% of buyers have plenty of options to choose from. |
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| 19:05.18 | steven774 | Am I correct that "chunk size" for Linux software-RAID is exactly the same as cluster for file system? |
| 19:05.24 | JordiGH | The other 99% of buyers who enjoy fixing Debian installs? What 99% are you referring to? The careless 99%? |
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| 19:05.30 | musca | !firmware image |
| 19:05.30 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 19:07.45 | GNU\colossus | musca, is there any such thing with a recent kernel image from wheezy-backports? |
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| 19:09.10 | musca | GNU\colossus: I'm not aware about a recent update, but for squeeze there have been such images. |
| 19:09.27 | GNU\colossus | musca, yes, I know the squeeze images, that's why I was hoping for something alike for wheezy :) |
| 19:09.43 | musca | !kmuto |
| 19:09.43 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 19:15.34 | musca | GNU\colossus: if you really can't boot with the plain wheezy image, you still have the option of debootstrap |
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| 19:15.56 | GNU\colossus | yeah, I know how I can work around the problem :) |
| 19:16.06 | GNU\colossus | thanks though |
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| 19:19.49 | feeceight | I have a very general question I often wondered about: for tools like lightdm, of which most/all options are commented out in the *.conf file; how do I know what it defaults to? |
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| 19:25.52 | horstigsterhorst | what is the "correct" way to install software that comes as .tar.foo, doesn't need compilation, doesn't have a install script or similar, and brings along lots of files alongside the executable? (concrete example: tv-browser (a java program), but I would appreciate a more general answer) |
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| 19:26.18 | Brigo | horsik, may be alien ... |
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| 19:31.14 | stmiller | horstigsterhorst: $ tar xf thefile.tar.foo to extract right there. Then run whatever it is. There is no 'correct' way really. |
| 19:31.19 | horsik | Brigo: i aint no ailen |
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| 19:32.18 | vail | stmiller, xfz if gzipped? |
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| 19:32.39 | vail | stmiller, .foo/gz |
| 19:32.59 | horstigsterhorst | vail: xf should do for most (all?) formats |
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| 19:34.09 | vail | horstigsterhorst, try on embedded/minimal builds ;) |
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| 19:40.00 | causasui | $ sudo chsh -s bash fig |
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| 19:40.02 | causasui | chsh: Warning: bash does not exist |
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| 19:41.07 | jordanm | causasui: full path |
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| 19:43.57 | causasui | jordanm: thanks |
| 19:44.00 | jensh | upgraded from squeeze to wheezy today and now my python's virtualenv are broken, i think its a 2.6-2.7 issue |
| 19:44.01 | petn-randall | causasui: You don't need root for that. |
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| 19:44.10 | steven774 | Am I correct that chunk size in context of RAID is essentially the same thing as cluster in file-system context? In other words, chunk size is the smallest unit of data which can be written to a member of RAID array? For example if I have a chunk size of 64KiB and I need to write a 4KiB file and cluster size of the file-system is also 4KiB, then is it true that I will use one 64KiB chunk and basically waste 60KiB? |
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| 19:45.05 | jordanm | jensh: do you still have python26 installed? |
| 19:45.27 | jensh | yes, |
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| 19:45.37 | jordanm | jensh: what's the error? |
| 19:45.40 | jensh | but there are many errors |
| 19:45.49 | jensh | urandom and locale issues |
| 19:46.07 | jordanm | jensh: paste the actual errors |
| 19:46.12 | petn-randall | steven774: chunk size is the stripe size of an array. It's *not* the smallest size you can address. |
| 19:47.10 | steven774 | petn-randall, ok, so the "chunk size" and "stripe size" are synonyms? |
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| 19:47.32 | jensh | i tried to install a 2.7 virtualenv and migrate my installations, but pip had many errors with fetching urls Could not fetch URL http://klvo.pypi.python.org/simple/distribute/: <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known> |
| 19:47.35 | petn-randall | steven774: Most modern filesystems don't have such a notion either, as you can tailpack many small files into the smallest unit of the filesystem. |
| 19:47.56 | jensh | access to the net is given |
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| 19:48.22 | petn-randall | steven774: Yes, it's the size of the chunks that get striped across the array. |
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| 19:49.08 | jensh | jordanm: my old virtualenvs show python --version Python 2.7.3 |
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| 19:51.27 | larks | hey, quick question I followed the gmailandexim4 page on the wiki, it works other than when it tries to send mail, it tries to use ipv6 and the router I'm using doesn't have ipv6 enabled |
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| 19:51.46 | Lope | I've got a PC with a powerful graphics card that I would like to remove and run the mobo headless. The mobo has no onboard graphics. Is that okay? do I need to prepare before doing so? |
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| 19:51.56 | melt7777 | lope: nope |
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| 19:52.06 | Lope | nope to which question? |
| 19:52.07 | melt7777 | lope: wont boot w/o video |
| 19:52.14 | petn-randall | Lope: Very likely you BIOS will complain and not boot at all. |
| 19:52.19 | Lope | oh, how do I make it boot without video? |
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| 19:52.36 | Lope | I've done a netinstall |
| 19:52.40 | Lope | with no DE |
| 19:53.17 | melt7777 | most machines will not POST without a valid video card |
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| 19:53.33 | Lope | and if mine does? |
| 19:53.55 | melt7777 | then you will be able to ping it |
| 19:54.12 | Lope | okay so debian won't care that it's missing graphics> |
| 19:54.17 | Lope | ? |
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| 19:54.41 | steven774 | petn-randall, ok. I was not aware that one can put multiple small files into the smallest unit of file-system.. Which file-systems support this? Very new ones like ext4 or btrfs? |
| 19:54.41 | melt7777 | how do you know if the machine posts and boots without a video card? |
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| 19:55.31 | petn-randall | Lope: Debian doesn't care if you have a graphics card or not, but unless you have a server mainboard, your BIOS will and complain with a beep code. |
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| 19:58.40 | melt7777 | petn-randall, therte ya go i was trying to figure out how to explain it...nice |
| 19:58.52 | Lope | okay maybe I have some junk pci gfx card somewhere |
| 19:58.57 | Lope | just wanna use less power |
| 19:59.05 | Lope | and not heat my room up so much as well :) |
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| 19:59.39 | petn-randall | steven774: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Allocation_and_layout_policies |
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| 20:01.17 | Lope | I've written a script that checks if a file exists /tmp/foo.txt and sleeps for 1 second afterwards in an infinite loop. The script is running with ionice idle and nice 19. Do you think it will put much of a strain on my hard drive? cpu usage is 0.0 |
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| 20:02.03 | jhutchins | Lope: I would check the BIOS and make sure that "Halt on" is not set to "All Errors" - you probably want "none" - and then pull the card and try to ssh to the system when it's up. |
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| 20:02.41 | dury | hi there guys :-) |
| 20:02.42 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:02.45 | jhutchins | Lope: I had a bunch of desktop systems I was going to make into a cluster, but they wouldn't boot without monitor and keyboard. |
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| 20:03.10 | jhutchins | Lope: You can't really tell whether they will. THe headless servers I've used all had onboard graphics. |
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| 20:03.20 | petn-randall | steven774: In real world applications packing small files will not gain you that much, since you still have to hold the metadata where the file starts and ends, which is why below a certain level you'll be wasting more bytes adressing those files than you'll save. |
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| 20:04.02 | jhutchins | Lope: I would make sure the system's not trying to start X. |
| 20:04.17 | petn-randall | Lope: You can probably spin that drive down, and continue checking. The kernel knows if that file exists without constantly checking it from the HDD. |
| 20:04.37 | dury | impossible to check BIOS in Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 11 |
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| 20:05.15 | jelly-home | petn-randall: dunno, going from vxfs with tail packing to ext3 without it we've had to add 20% more extra space |
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| 20:06.03 | jelly-home | petn-randall: that's for Maildir storage. With a database, some 5% extra was enough. |
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| 20:06.51 | jhutchins | dury: Aliens don't wear hats. |
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| 20:08.28 | petn-randall | jelly-home: I'm not saying that it doesn't save space. Did you set the block size low enough, and the blocks/inode ratio in ext3? |
| 20:08.29 | dury | good on you jhutchins |
| 20:09.06 | petn-randall | jelly-home: I'm merely saying that if the files get small enough (say just 1-5 bytes), you'll end up having more overhead than tailpacking will save you. |
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| 20:10.21 | jelly-home | sure... but that scenario seems a bit stretched |
| 20:10.22 | jhutchins | dury: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 20:11.16 | jelly-home | petn-randall: I _think_ block size was 1024B on both |
| 20:11.41 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: maybe time to consider using dovecot's dbox... |
| 20:12.02 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I don't trust metadata I can't fsck! |
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| 20:12.40 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: you can fsck it... it's just a mailbox storage format |
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| 20:13.14 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I can fsck the fs. Can I fsck dbox? |
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| 20:13.45 | bodie_ | quick question |
| 20:13.49 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's just a method of storing files on the filesystem which is intermediate between maildir and mbox |
| 20:13.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: so you can fsck the filesystem |
| 20:14.02 | bodie_ | I have the package that's supposed to provide "add-apt-repository" but I'm still not able to use it |
| 20:14.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/dbox |
| 20:14.20 | bodie_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=add-apt-repository&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 20:14.27 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: mbox can get corrupted. I expect any complex storage system to have a fsck of its own. |
| 20:14.28 | dury | jhutchins: remove bloody win rt in yoga 11 and try to boot wheezy or some gnu/linux on it |
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| 20:14.56 | petn-randall | bodie_: You installed python-software-properties and it doesn't contain /usr/bin/add-apt-repository? |
| 20:14.56 | bodie_ | anyone know why that might happen or what I should look for? it's simply not in /usr/bin |
| 20:15.00 | bodie_ | yeah |
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| 20:15.22 | bodie_ | to be technical, it was already installed (Jessie) |
| 20:15.23 | petn-randall | bodie_: What's the output of 'dpkg -l python-software-properties'? |
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| 20:15.49 | jhutchins | dury: We'd like to help. You're right, it is impossible to access the BIOS on that computer. There isn't one. |
| 20:15.55 | petn-randall | bodie_: That was deceitful. Look into the jessie package, it's not in there. |
| 20:16.06 | bodie_ | http://pastebin.centos.org/8206/ |
| 20:16.10 | Lope | thanks for the info guys. gonna go to sleep. night night |
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| 20:16.24 | bodie_ | hrm |
| 20:16.42 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's just files; but yes, it has repair routines |
| 20:16.56 | petn-randall | bodie_: Btw, jessie/sid are supported in #debian-net on irc.oftc.net, this is stable-only. |
| 20:16.58 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: the format isn't any more complicated than mbox or maildir, both of which can get corrupted |
| 20:17.05 | bodie_ | ah |
| 20:17.09 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to configure konqueror to allow local file browsing only, but disallow web browsing? As Debian has discontinued security support for all browsers except iceweasel/chromium, I'd like to prevent security issues in konqueror. Thanks. |
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| 20:17.24 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: Maildir is rather easy to recover as much as possible |
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| 20:17.26 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: see doveadm force-sync |
| 20:17.30 | jhutchins | bodie_: That's #debian-next btw. |
| 20:17.49 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: and so is mbox and dbox; the mail is just in files |
| 20:17.51 | dury | jhutchins: there must be something to do about it... don't you think so? |
| 20:18.01 | petn-randall | bodie_: woops, typo, #debian-next, yes. |
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| 20:18.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's not like mbox is particularly complicated, nor is dbox |
| 20:18.31 | jhutchins | dury: The preferred method is to use the in-Windows tools to change the settings, but there are suggestions on the web that it can be accessed at boot time, and that you can install another OS on it. |
| 20:18.40 | jhutchins | dury: It really doesn't have a BIOS, it's UEFI. |
| 20:19.03 | jhutchins | dury: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Idea-Windows-based-Tablets-and/Yoga-11-BIOS/td-p/1198211 |
| 20:19.11 | sors_ | any idea howto solve these errors? /usr/bin/ld: jamin-plugin.o: undefined reference to symbol 'dlopen@@GLIBC_2.1' ----- /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line |
| 20:19.38 | jhutchins | dury: This is one possibility: http://voices.yahoo.com/lenovo-ideapad-yoga-11s-accesses-bios-menu-12236803.html |
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| 20:19.56 | jhutchins | dury: This is another: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Idea-Windows-based-Tablets-and/Force-Yoga-11-USB-boot/m-p/1055157#M18977 |
| 20:20.12 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: mbox is a PITA and there're at least 2 incompatible variants. dbox may be well defined but I tend to be conservative in my storage choices |
| 20:21.20 | jelly-home | also, dbox seems to have one single piece of software supporting it |
| 20:23.05 | jelly-home | I'd rather waste 20% more space. Tho, a replicated copy, once I get to implementing it, may or may not end up using dbox. |
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| 20:24.52 | dury | jhutchins: I pasted your url suggestions to study on it using leafpad app |
| 20:25.12 | Syntaxerror_ | Hi! which installer do I need to "revive" a currently chrooted system? |
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| 20:25.57 | dury | jhutchins: leafpad app text editor |
| 20:26.02 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: in general, you don't need an installer in specific where any livecd image could do. |
| 20:26.17 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: how is it failing right now? |
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| 20:26.25 | Syntaxerror_ | not booting |
| 20:26.32 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: what happens at boot? |
| 20:26.38 | jelly-home | how far does it get? |
| 20:26.40 | Syntaxerror_ | also, mailsystem won't work, but I don't know why. at least the webserver is running! |
| 20:26.59 | Syntaxerror_ | jelly-home: if I'd knew, I'd be much wiser ^^ |
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| 20:27.10 | Syntaxerror_ | jelly-home: problem is: the machine is in a datacenter in luxembourg |
| 20:27.13 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: does the grub menu appear? Does the kernel load? does the initramfs load? |
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| 20:27.29 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: get console access and inspect the boot process. |
| 20:27.35 | Syntaxerror_ | jelly-home: I only know that it doesn't boot. |
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| 20:28.18 | jelly-home | Syntaxerror_: way too many possibilities there, it'd be best to investigate more. |
| 20:28.27 | Syntaxerror_ | I don't have console at boot. but I can start a recovery image. but dmesg and error_log don't update upen a failed boot |
| 20:28.31 | dury | jhutchins: what kind of machine do you run your debian... if you don't mind to answer? |
| 20:28.50 | jelly-home | hates hardware without remote console access |
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| 20:29.48 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: The problem with a compromised system is that you can't trust anythign on it. Binaries can be replaced by malicious ones that cover their own tracks. "Login" can be replaced by soemthign that calls home. |
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| 20:30.19 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: It's not compromised |
| 20:30.36 | [DS]Matej | hello |
| 20:30.45 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: Ah. I read "chrooted" as "rooted". |
| 20:31.04 | [DS]Matej | how to I make sub account to my account my mate can access it |
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| 20:31.33 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: If it doesn't boot, why do you say the webserver is running? |
| 20:31.58 | Syntaxerror_ | nope, chrooted. meaning I can boot the recovery image, then mount the necessary folders from the disk and chroot into it. Service apache2 restart starts my webserver and I can access it :) |
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| 20:35.29 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: So try to start other services and check the logs. Check the filesystems. See what aptitude -f install says. |
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| 20:36.46 | Syntaxerror_ | I destroyed the system while upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, so I completed the update on the chrooted system. with full apt-get update / upgrade / dist-upgrade |
| 20:36.58 | Syntaxerror_ | cat /etc/debian_version = 7.4 |
| 20:38.00 | Syntaxerror_ | hmm.. aptitude -f install has some suggestions |
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| 20:39.34 | jhutchins | dury: I currently have debian on an ideapad X10, a couple of core 2 Duo desktops and a server, and an older core 2. I manage a VMware server remotely as well as a samba fileserver for a local law office. |
| 20:40.07 | jhutchins | dury: At work I have an old Dell running Ubuntu LTS, but I mostly manage RHEL servers, either on fairly heavy Dell server hardware or VMware. |
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| 20:41.21 | Guest18028 | No idea if this is supported here, but I'm trying to use a PPA from a different distro and I need to edit it to spoof the distro name |
| 20:41.32 | Guest18028 | i.e. apt-get update fails because it's looking for "jessie" |
| 20:41.39 | jhutchins | Guest18028: There's a reason it's not letting you do that. |
| 20:41.41 | Guest18028 | I'm not finding this PPA listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:41.55 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 20:41.55 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 20:42.11 | Syntaxerror_ | could I install something like vmware with X-support and try to boot my harddisk in there? and if so: HOW? |
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| 20:42.23 | Guest18028 | hehe. I'm not looking for support with it, really my question is simply where add-apt-repository is stuffing this new ppa. |
| 20:42.33 | Guest18028 | I don't care if I break things ^_^ |
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| 20:42.56 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: I think that would probably just make it worse. |
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| 20:43.13 | Syntaxerror_ | how so? I could at least see what happens at boot |
| 20:43.28 | jhutchins | Guest18028: afik apt-add-repository is not a Debian tool. |
| 20:43.48 | Guest18028 | gotcha. ah, looks like it goes into /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:43.54 | Guest18028 | anyhow, thanks for responding at any rate |
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| 20:44.10 | jhutchins | Guest18028: Have fun on the rebuild! |
| 20:44.31 | petn-randall | WTF? "Spoof" the distro name? |
| 20:44.57 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Notice he's trying to "spoof" it TO a Debian release. |
| 20:45.12 | earthian | would be fun to run sarge with jessie packages, right? :D |
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| 20:45.39 | petn-randall | Sounds like the same crowd that want to cloak their IP. :) |
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| 20:46.42 | jelly-home | or hide their uids behind usernames! |
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| 20:47.40 | Guest18028 | actually, some people like to support PPAs for ubuntu only which have very minimal software that ought to be compatible with debian |
| 20:47.48 | Guest18028 | so I'm trying to get apt-get to play nice with that :P |
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| 20:48.47 | Guest18028 | I'll probably just end up building from source, but it's worth the effort if it's a simple enough tweak |
| 20:49.11 | Guest18028 | yolo |
| 20:49.14 | petn-randall | Guest18028: Breaking your system by turning your system into a frankendebian in considered off-topic here. |
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| 20:49.38 | Guest18028 | just responding to whoever it was saying I'm being nasty, but I understand :) |
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| 20:49.47 | petn-randall | ... and also not supported. |
| 20:50.28 | Syntaxerror_ | *BUMP* [21:43] <Syntaxerror_> how so? I could at least see what happens at boot |
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| 20:51.28 | petn-randall | Syntaxerror_: If that was addressed to a specific person, it's usually better to just prepend their nick to it so they get highlighted. |
| 20:51.54 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: *BUMP* [21:43] <Syntaxerror_> how so? I could at least see what happens at boot |
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| 20:52.46 | Henry151 | hey folks |
| 20:53.23 | Henry151 | I recently installed debian on a desktop here at work |
| 20:53.40 | Henry151 | It was running great, no problems, and we're loving it |
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| 20:54.35 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: Sorry, real life. |
| 20:54.39 | dury | jhutchins: I'm running mate desktop how do I make it as a default desktop environment? |
| 20:54.42 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: Do you have an image of the drive? |
| 20:55.17 | Syntaxerror_ | I can make one, the drive is accessible from the recovery-image (which runs from RAM) |
| 20:55.23 | jhutchins | !mate |
| 20:55.23 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8.0 "Jessie". To install, ask me about <install mate>. http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 20:55.39 | Syntaxerror_ | and the whole system is only a few GiB in size |
| 20:55.44 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: |
| 20:56.00 | Syntaxerror_ | Debian 8? O.o |
| 20:56.44 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: Well, that sounds like a possible way to diagnose it then. You won't see anything that's hardware related, but you could see the software. |
| 20:56.54 | dury | have to go.... be back tomorrow... things to do |
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| 20:57.04 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: I did suggest trying to start various services and seeing what they say/log. |
| 20:57.04 | dury | cheers all |
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| 20:57.18 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: You might also want to enable boot logging: |
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| 20:57.21 | jhutchins | !bootlog |
| 20:57.21 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
| 20:57.25 | Henry151 | So I'm lacking some info that folks may need to be helpful, but basically, I installed samba to try and get it networking with our windows network, and then after rebooting, I can't get the x window manager to launch |
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| 20:57.53 | Henry151 | I can log in as a user or administrator from the command line, but when I do "startx" it fails |
| 20:59.01 | mtn | Henry151: you must have done something besides installing samba to cause that problem |
| 20:59.02 | Syntaxerror_ | ok, I installed bootlogd. now I just reboot and look at the log in /var/log/boot afterwards? |
| 20:59.03 | zykotick9 | Henry151: as your user, in your home directory, "ls -al" is anything owned by root? |
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| 20:59.17 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: also, How do I troubleshoot this? insserv: warning: script 'K01mydns' missing LSB tags and overrides (there are a few) |
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| 20:59.50 | wols | !tell Syntaxerror_ about lsb tags |
| 21:00.01 | Henry151 | mtn: it was possibly the first time I'd rebooted the system since initially setting it up |
| 21:00.16 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: That suggests a partial upgrade of the init system did not complete. |
| 21:00.34 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: ALl packages are from official debian repositories? |
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| 21:00.47 | petn-randall | Henry151: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will provide you with any info regarding the failed start of X. Search for anything that starts with "(EE)". |
| 21:00.50 | jhutchins | ,v mydns |
| 21:00.51 | judd | No package named 'mydns' was found in i386. |
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| 21:01.39 | photographer | need simplest test does imagick work on wheezy (PHP Version 5.4.4-14+deb7u7) |
| 21:01.44 | cradek | the rc-alert manpage says it outputs "a list of packages installed on the system ... which are in that list", but it is reporting packages I do not have installed. I would like the see the report for only packages I have. I am invoking "rc-alert --include-dists s" as this is a wheezy install. what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:01.46 | wols | judd: nothing that needs the network starts at 01. this is simply a broken script |
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| 21:02.56 | photographer | simplest scripts i find in php.net shows me an error |
| 21:02.59 | cradek | (I'm asking because I encountered a bug that was already reported and classified as "makes package unfit for release", and I'm wondering what other similar breakages I should know about) |
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| 21:03.15 | mtn | Henry151: this might help you: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
| 21:05.08 | Henry151 | ok guys |
| 21:05.11 | Henry151 | thanks for all the help |
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| 21:05.28 | Henry151 | let's see... /var/log/Xor.0.log didn't seem to have anything obvious |
| 21:05.30 | Henry151 | no errors |
| 21:05.53 | jhutchins | photographer: I've used imagemagick since probably before 2000 on various releases. It's been a production-grade working package for a long time. |
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| 21:06.19 | wols | Henry151: then pastebin the logfile please |
| 21:06.35 | jhutchins | photographer: You're far more likely to find bad php scripts than problems within imagemagick. |
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| 21:06.55 | wols | even php isn't that bad that they broke the imagemagick parts |
| 21:06.57 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: yes, all from debian |
| 21:07.00 | wols | !tell photographer about errors |
| 21:07.27 | wols | Syntaxerror_: this cannot be. no debian package starts a script before the network is up |
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| 21:07.55 | kdog | photographer: are the imagemagick libraries loaded on your webserver daemon? |
| 21:08.07 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: mydns was last in etch. |
| 21:08.14 | Syntaxerror_ | wols: you probably meant judd ? |
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| 21:08.38 | photographer | actually i just need simple test to see does it work. script i did use shows me an error, and inside of phpinfo() i can see that it is loaded |
| 21:08.42 | photographer | 3.1.0RC1 |
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| 21:08.47 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: mydns? o.o |
| 21:08.49 | wols | Syntaxerror_: no I meant you. and judd is a bot |
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| 21:09.23 | Posterdati | I've got problem with usb wireless keyboard on 3.2.0: it freezes and became lazy to respond :( |
| 21:09.43 | photographer | kdog: looks like its all functioning but, script i copy/paste from php.net shows an error runing in web browser |
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| 21:09.47 | Syntaxerror_ | wols: jhutchins: this once was a lenny-system |
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| 21:10.04 | wols | Syntaxerror_: that is irrelevant |
| 21:10.04 | mtn | Posterdati: try a different usb port |
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| 21:10.41 | applepi | hello all :) |
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| 21:10.47 | wols | photographer: without the actual error, you are writing against a wall. and you need to install imagemagick, not just the php bindings for it btw |
| 21:10.50 | jhutchins | Syntaxerror_: I think you'd save a lot of time and effort if you did a clean install. |
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| 21:11.21 | Posterdati | mtn: same effect |
| 21:11.36 | applepi | I'm building a debian arm system with a 3.12 kernel.. having trouble loading modules that I've built with it... is this because debootstrap appears to be made with a 2.6.32 kernel perhaps? |
| 21:11.38 | photographer | wols: i did install imagemagick first, now i just apt-get install php5-imagick to have some autorotate with an images |
| 21:11.41 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: I have no idea how to reimport my webserver and mailservices if I did that |
| 21:11.49 | photographer | wols: but, script shows an error |
| 21:11.55 | mtn | Posterdati: have you looked into your video drivers? |
| 21:12.01 | applepi | I've always thought that as long as your modules and kernel were from the same build you would be okay |
| 21:12.05 | wols | photographer: only highlight me when you do what I asked of you. until then, please stop |
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| 21:12.40 | applepi | but i get a bunch of 'disagrees about version of symbol foo' when i attempt to insert a module... |
| 21:12.42 | Henry151 | I did other stuff besides installing samba: I edited some org.gnomedesktop setting to change the screen-shutoff-delay to 0 |
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| 21:12.58 | wols | photographer: check which kernel you are actually running. only the running kernel and the module versions matter |
| 21:13.06 | jhutchins | Henry151: Back those changes out and see if it works. |
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| 21:13.07 | Henry151 | maybe you guys can help me figure out how to pastebin my log file from the terminal |
| 21:13.12 | wols | applepi: have you checked which kernel you run? |
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| 21:13.16 | Henry151 | jhutchins: good idea |
| 21:13.19 | Henry151 | let's see |
| 21:13.20 | wols | !tell Henry151 about nopaste |
| 21:13.21 | Posterdati | mtn: ? |
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| 21:13.26 | Posterdati | mtn: nvidia drivers here |
| 21:13.40 | mtn | Posterdati: maybe it is related to them? |
| 21:13.57 | Henry151 | which IRC client will be easiest for me to use from the terminal, with no previous experience running IRC clients from terminal? |
| 21:14.03 | Posterdati | mtn: how can I know? |
| 21:14.03 | applepi | wols: I am running the kernel that was built at the time the modules were built.. I did a kernel made, make modules install, then copied the kernel image and modules to the SD card |
| 21:14.18 | Henry151 | because I don't want to have to keep going back and forth across the whole shop to go from this computer back to that one |
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| 21:14.28 | mtn | Posterdati: did this problem happen before you installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:14.38 | jhutchins | Henry151: irssi |
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| 21:14.41 | wols | applepi: and did you run depmod for it? you should have create a .deb instead |
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| 21:14.53 | applepi | wols: I have wiped the card many times and rebuilt everything from a distclean |
| 21:14.55 | photographer | wols: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 21:15.14 | wols | photographer: that is not what I asked. you don't have kernel problems. I asked for your actual error |
| 21:15.20 | Henry151 | thanks. be right back |
| 21:15.25 | Posterdati | mtn: no |
| 21:15.33 | wols | photographer: sorry, my bad |
| 21:15.53 | mtn | Posterdati: sounds like it is driver related then :) |
| 21:15.54 | Posterdati | mtn: after I bought the key and updated the kernel to 3.2.0-4 |
| 21:15.55 | wols | applepi: and? it's debian. you can dpkg -i and you should have |
| 21:15.56 | photographer | wols: np |
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| 21:16.52 | berceanu_ | can anyone help me understand what this command does? ssh $server -L $port:127.0.0.1:$port |
| 21:17.12 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 21:17.24 | berceanu_ | i know its port forwarding |
| 21:17.24 | bodie_ | no need to be rude |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | berceanu_: start with 'man ssh' |
| 21:17.30 | centrx | berceanu_, man ssh and search for "-L" |
| 21:17.43 | applepi | wols: I'm confused.. I haven't been getting .deb packages.. I've been getting .ko's, modules... |
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| 21:18.04 | wols | applepi: you should have build a .deb package of your kernel. /msg dpkg kernel handbook |
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| 21:18.16 | wols | applepi: installing a kernel by copying files is not a good idea for several reasons |
| 21:18.31 | wols | applepi: also modinfo the kernel modules and compare to your kernel |
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| 21:23.39 | applepi | wols: blah.. I had no idea.. I guess I have some reading to do.. |
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| 21:24.33 | areipe | hi anyone know if debian can be used fully as a type 1 hypervisor from the cli? (without X) |
| 21:24.42 | Mousey | yes |
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| 21:25.16 | areipe | thanks, |
| 21:25.59 | earthian | Hello, I am having an error when starting slapd (Open LDAP daemon v2.4.31 wheezy): "ldif_read_file: Permission denied for "/etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config.ldif". The owner of that file is openldap and permission is 664 but still permission denied. Also I copied the entire config and database from a working server (2.4.23 squeezye) |
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| 21:26.29 | earthian | Any ideas where could be the problem? |
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| 21:27.25 | Posterdati | I've got problem with usb wireless keyboard on 3.2.0: it freezes and became lazy to respond :( |
| 21:28.02 | mtn | Posterdati: it sounds like it is related to your nvidia drivers, like I said |
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| 21:28.36 | Posterdati | mtn: ? |
| 21:28.52 | mtn | Posterdati: you said you didn't have the problem before installing your nvidia drivers |
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| 21:29.08 | Posterdati | mtn: no I didn't say that |
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| 21:29.39 | mtn | Posterdati: [13:14] <mtn> Posterdati: did this problem happen before you installed the nvidia drivers? [13:15] <Posterdati> mtn: no |
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| 21:29.53 | Henry151 | Hello again folks! |
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| 21:30.04 | Henry151 | I'm now on the computer in question |
| 21:30.05 | Posterdati | mtn: no, I always used nvidia rivers |
| 21:30.06 | mtn | Henry151: you made it back from oftc.net! |
| 21:30.15 | Henry151 | Ha |
| 21:30.19 | Henry151 | yes indeed |
| 21:30.22 | mtn | Posterdati: when you first install debian you do not have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 21:30.25 | Henry151 | took me a minute to figure it out but here i am |
| 21:30.34 | Henry151 | so you needed my var log file |
| 21:30.50 | Posterdati | mtn: but I haven't got that keyboard too |
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| 21:31.00 | mtn | Posterdati: ok, good luck |
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| 21:31.21 | photographer | wols: http://pastebin.com/2XHzZ1QW |
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| 21:32.49 | Henry151 | so i've got this thing going somehow now, so that if I click alt+f1, i'm in a root terminal, and if i hit alt+f2 I'm in this terminal here with this irc window going |
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| 21:33.43 | Henry151 | pastie.org/8877926 should be my log |
| 21:33.49 | Henry151 | i'm hoping |
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| 21:33.55 | Henry151 | first attempt at using nopaste |
| 21:34.38 | Henry151 | specifically that should be my /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
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| 21:36.59 | Henry151 | so does anybody see anything in that log file to explain what's going on? |
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| 21:38.06 | earthian | Hello, I am having an error when starting slapd (Open LDAP daemon v2.4.31 wheezy): "ldif_read_file: Permission denied for "/etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config.ldif". The owner of that file is openldap and permission is 664 but still permission denied. Also I copied the entire config and database from a working server (2.4.23 squeeze). Any ideas what could be wrong there with the permissions? |
| 21:38.12 | Henry151 | i tried a few things based on my googling... I purged and reinstalled xorg, i purged samba |
| 21:38.32 | Henry151 | oh i forgot a key peice of the puzzle for you folks |
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| 21:39.24 | Henry151 | there was an error when i went to reboot, and it booted me into a read-only root terminal and intrtucted me to run fscdsk or something |
| 21:39.27 | Henry151 | which i ran |
| 21:39.43 | Henry151 | and then it rebooted, and THEN I started having this problem |
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| 21:40.32 | silentf0x | hey, i just reinstalled my debian and i cant install irssi |
| 21:40.44 | silentf0x | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release.gpg: Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
| 21:40.45 | silentf0x | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 21:40.45 | silentf0x | W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 21:40.50 | Henry151 | i've also got some sort of weird thing happening in tty7 |
| 21:41.03 | Henry151 | i think it's x trying to run |
| 21:41.10 | Henry151 | it's just a blinking underscore |
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| 21:42.36 | cast | silentf0x: so, is dns not working? |
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| 21:42.45 | silentf0x | i just think its my deb source |
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| 21:43.15 | cast | does `host security.debian.org` succeed? |
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| 21:43.32 | silentf0x | ya |
| 21:44.10 | Henry151 | so... any ideas folks? |
| 21:44.34 | wols | photographer: that's bad php. you cannot echo a image file... |
| 21:44.35 | Henry151 | i'm trying to make this work real fast because my boss is already saying "should've stuck with windows!" |
| 21:44.35 | silentf0x | i fixed it haha |
| 21:44.53 | wols | photographer: your code is bad (the echo part) and I doubt you've seen this on php.net |
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| 21:45.10 | centrx | Henry151, You used so many lines to explain what is going on that I don't know what is the problem. |
| 21:45.35 | cast | silentf0x: what was wrong? |
| 21:45.40 | Henry151 | ha. sorry centrx. the problem is startx doesn't work. |
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| 21:45.43 | silentf0x | i have wheezy not stable :D |
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| 21:45.51 | Henry151 | i'm stuck at terminal |
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| 21:46.23 | Henry151 | i get a "xinit: connection to x server lost" message |
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| 21:46.34 | photographer | wols: http://www.php.net/manual/en/imagick.examples-1.php |
| 21:46.41 | namebrandon | anyone know if it's a 'bad idea'(tm) to shutdown (properly) while mdadm is recovering a raid array? I think it's recovering because I forgot to plug in a sata cable |
| 21:46.44 | centrx | Henry151, And this is because you switch terminals? |
| 21:46.49 | Henry151 | pastie.org/8877926 is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:47.17 | centrx | Henry151, The proximate error seems to be "NVLeaveVT is called" |
| 21:47.19 | Henry151 | centrx: this happened when i rebooted the system after some hard-disk problems |
| 21:47.36 | Syntaxerror_ | jhutchins: where does bootlogd log to? |
| 21:47.51 | Henry151 | ventrx: yes. I've googled that phrase and tried to figure out what could be causing that error |
| 21:48.08 | Henry151 | it seems to have to do with nvidia drivers |
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| 21:49.03 | centrx | Henry151, Top result mentions it happens when switching terminals? |
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| 21:49.24 | Henry151 | centrx: i didn't switch terminals as far as i know |
| 21:50.29 | centrx | Henry151, Does `dmesg` have anything unusual? |
| 21:51.06 | centrx | Henry151, Are you using a session manager? Does it work if you uninstall the session manager and startx from regular console after boot? |
| 21:51.08 | Henry151 | i had everything working, it was a brand-new install, i installed samba to try to connect to the windows network here at work, i rebooted, it booted me to a read-only root terminal and told me to run a disk check program (fscdsk or something? can't remember) and i ran it, it found some bad sectors or something and apparently fixed them, i rebooted again, now it boots me to a terminal instead of a gui\ |
| 21:51.28 | centrx | That sounds like a hard drive error |
| 21:51.31 | Henry151 | centrx: have not checked dmesg, don't think i'm using a session manager as far as i know |
| 21:51.44 | Henry151 | dmesg |
| 21:51.55 | centrx | If you had bad sectors, there might have been essential libraries or binaries corrupted on the hard drive? |
| 21:51.58 | Henry151 | oh oops i meant to type that in the root terminal over on tty1 |
| 21:52.04 | Henry151 | hm |
| 21:52.10 | Henry151 | quite possible |
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| 21:52.51 | Henry151 | is there any way to do a full system-wide check for that sort of thing? i ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade just now but that didn't seem to do anything |
| 21:53.40 | Henry151 | let's see.... to pastebin my dmesg output, i would do "dmesg | nopaste" ? |
| 21:53.49 | centrx | Henry151, fsck / badblocks ? |
| 21:53.52 | Henry151 | obviously i'm not super comfortable at a terminal |
| 21:54.05 | Henry151 | centrx: thanks |
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| 21:55.29 | berceanu_ | ssh forwarding is not working and i don't know why.. |
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| 21:56.01 | berceanu_ | i simply need to forward two localhost ports from my machine to a server |
| 21:56.09 | berceanu_ | and i can ssh to the server without problem |
| 21:56.18 | berceanu_ | so forwarding should also work, right?! |
| 21:56.46 | Henry151 | i'm getting an error, "sda1 is mounted," i guess i have to log out of this session to run fsck? |
| 21:57.18 | Brigo | Henry151, is the root partition? |
| 21:57.29 | berceanu_ | ssh -L localhost:56871:localhost:56871 $my_user@my_server_ip |
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| 21:57.33 | Brigo | berceanu_, may be. |
| 21:57.37 | berceanu_ | how can this fail? |
| 21:57.59 | berceanu_ | when ssh my_user@my_server_ip works without a prob |
| 21:58.41 | berceanu_ | does debian block some localhost ports by default or something? |
| 21:58.46 | ompaul | no |
| 21:58.50 | ompaul | your isp might |
| 21:58.57 | berceanu_ | then i really dont get it |
| 21:59.00 | xand | your ISP can't block localhost |
| 21:59.06 | xand | how does it fail? |
| 21:59.17 | berceanu_ | exactly, how can it block localhost, impossible |
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| 21:59.40 | berceanu_ | channel 11: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused |
| 21:59.59 | xand | that means nothing is listening on that port on my_server |
| 22:00.00 | photographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.23 | xand | (at least not on 127.0.0.1) |
| 22:00.34 | berceanu_ | xand: ipython is listening there |
| 22:01.05 | xand | did you try connecting to it from the server itself? |
| 22:01.38 | berceanu_ | if i do sudo netstat -lanp|ack-grep :56871 |
| 22:02.05 | berceanu_ | on the server |
| 22:02.08 | berceanu_ | i get tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:56871 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 12144/python |
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| 22:04.56 | berceanu_ | so it seems python *is* listening to 127.0.0.1:56871 |
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| 22:07.36 | berceanu_ | xand: any ideas? |
| 22:07.44 | berceanu_ | xand: of how to debug this further? |
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| 22:09.16 | xand | berceanu_: did you try connecting to it on the server itself? |
| 22:09.20 | xand | just to be sure |
| 22:09.45 | berceanu_ | xand: i just did and, surprise: it fails! |
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| 22:11.15 | fommil | hi all, what is the debian equivalent of ubuntu's jockey for installing NVIDIA non free drivers? |
| 22:11.28 | jhutchins | berceanu_: -v can be used with the ssh command to get additional information on what's happening (and what's going wrong). /var/log/auth.log will have minimal information about what the server thinks is happening. |
| 22:11.40 | fommil | I followed the instructions here but got a black screen of hanging: http://www.fandigital.com/2012/05/install-nvidia-in-linux-mint-debian.html |
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| 22:11.48 | jhutchins | !tell fommil about nvidia |
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| 22:11.58 | fommil | I have a GeForce GT 640M |
| 22:12.16 | fommil | jhutchins: thanks |
| 22:12.25 | jhutchins | fommil: Seem msg from dpkg. Debian tends not to have as many pointy-clicky automations for such things. |
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| 22:12.50 | fommil | jhutchins: neither does ubuntu |
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| 22:21.38 | fommil | jhutchins: I followed those instructions, and starts gives me a black screen. can't even get back to the ctrl-alt-1 terminal |
| 22:21.45 | fommil | startx* |
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| 22:26.08 | voyo | hello, Im building kind of distro, based on live debian. Instead of syslinux im trying to use grub. but I have problem - during boot, after kernel and initrd loaded it ends on 'missing init= blah blah'. Seems to me that it should load yet file "filesystem.squashfs" but its not... what could be missing in my setup ? |
| 22:26.43 | centrx | voyo, What does the error message mean? |
| 22:27.02 | voyo | hi centrx |
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| 22:27.22 | voyo | exatcly ? 1sec, need to boot again , Im not at desk atm. |
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| 22:29.14 | fommil | X11 startup error is (NVIDIA drivers as per debian instructions): AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 22:29.15 | jhutchins | fommil: startx is somewhat deprecated these days, what about (re)starting gdm? |
| 22:29.52 | fommil | jhutchins: showing my age. what package is gdm in these days? |
| 22:29.53 | centrx | jhutchins, huh? |
| 22:30.20 | fommil | jhutchins: also, if X11 startup is killing my machine, I don't want it starting on startup just yet! |
| 22:30.55 | centrx | fommil, I use startx all the time. I would say it is easier to diagnose that way too than a session manager |
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| 22:31.21 | fommil | centrx: my thoughts exactly at this stage. startx is nuking my machine, needs a hard reset |
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| 22:32.27 | indieross | is anybody else experiencing gnome 3 lag with jessie/nvidia? |
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| 22:32.41 | voyo | centrx: hm, exatc message will take longer. I messed up too much, I had 1st partition as ext3, now I changed to vfat , hoping it will help. but seems that grub now can't cope with it... anyway - the messae was about initramfs loaded, but system could not find /sbin/init , and asking me to put proper init= parameter |
| 22:32.45 | fommil | do I need a monitor section in my xorg.conf? I copied the one here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
| 22:33.05 | fommil | which seems to be out of date because I don't have an xorg.d directory so I put this in the xorg.conf |
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| 22:33.59 | centrx | voyo, Why would you use vfat? |
| 22:34.08 | voyo | centrx: I think that problem is that it is not loading 'filesystem.squashfs' , which is there ofc, in /live directory , together with vmlinuz and initrd.img |
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| 22:35.04 | voyo | centrx: I tought maybe this vmlinuz or initrd.img is prepared to look for 'filesystem.squashfs' in 1st VFAT partition, just tried.. |
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| 22:36.02 | fommil | hmm, ok looks like the xorg.d is in /usr/share in jessie. still black screen of doom though |
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| 22:38.36 | fommil | and still black screen of doom if i create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d folder |
| 22:39.01 | voyo | centrx: any suggestion? am I right that 'filesystem.squashfs' is not loading ? how to check this, and force to load by grub ? |
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| 22:39.53 | centrx | voyo, I don't know much about making Live CDs, but your set-up looks very non-traditional and I think you would encounter problems with that, e.g. vfat |
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| 22:40.05 | centrx | voyo, The init is the first think the kernel loads, it is Process ID 1 |
| 22:40.30 | voyo | centrx: ok. I tought maybe you are aware how to make liveCD... |
| 22:40.33 | centrx | voyo, So init= specifies what init process the kernel loads, and apparently that is /sbin/init but that file does not exist |
| 22:40.55 | voyo | centrx: yes. thats right. |
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| 22:41.42 | voyo | I think I need to google for loading file as loop with grub, for kernel.., not sure yet... |
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| 22:42.57 | fommil | according to http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages/#index3h2 I might have too high resolution set... but I'm letting it be auto detected. Hmm |
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| 22:43.44 | GoldStandard | oops |
| 22:43.46 | GoldStandard | .. |
| 22:44.42 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.02 | GoldStandard | centrx lol |
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| 22:47.22 | mark4 | why does debian not ship with a PAX enabled kernel? |
| 22:47.23 | centrx | oops |
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| 22:48.27 | mark4 | or maybe it does... but pax-utils needs to be installed? i see binaries created with binutils do not contain a pax program header... |
| 22:48.37 | mark4 | would installing pax-utils fix that? |
| 22:49.13 | centrx | mark4, I was trying to figure that out, give it a shot |
| 22:49.22 | centrx | mark4, There is paxctl too |
| 22:49.41 | dondelelcaro | mark4: there are a lot of kernel patches we don't ship with, but you're more than welcome to add it |
| 22:49.41 | mark4 | paxctl package? |
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| 22:50.08 | mark4 | dondelelcaro, i dont run debian - what im tring to do is find out how to help a friend of mine run software of mine on HIS debian system. |
| 22:50.23 | jhutchins | fommil: Sorry. I'm not sure how compatible X --configure is with the Nvidia setup, but that might correctly identify your monitor. |
| 22:50.38 | mark4 | if installing pax-utils and running some obscure paxctl command fixes this then thers no real problem |
| 22:50.53 | mark4 | other than finding out what the obscure command is |
| 22:50.56 | fommil | jhutchins: nope, there is an nvidia-xconfig which generates a file... that fails too. |
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| 22:51.19 | dondelelcaro | mark4: if you want grsecurity, we do have linux-patch-grsecurity2, and you can use that to build a kernel which also includes PaX |
| 22:51.34 | dondelelcaro | or yes, paxctl will probably also work |
| 22:51.36 | fommil | jhutchins: seems to be problems with the 3.12 kernel: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/573252/linux/evo-push-buffer-channel-allocation-failed-is-back-as-usedplib-false-no-more-supported-with-325-15/3/ |
| 22:51.50 | fommil | that's the macbook pro, not the iMac that I have |
| 22:52.02 | mark4 | dondelelcaro, no - i just need the binutils on his system to produce a binary that contains a pax program header when he assembles my sources |
| 22:52.08 | fommil | can I use a really basic driver? |
| 22:52.32 | dondelelcaro | mark4: ah; presumably paxctl can do that for you |
| 22:52.41 | mark4 | man paxctl brb |
| 22:52.43 | jhutchins | fommil: There's noveau, and there's VESA. |
| 22:52.58 | mark4 | blargh no manpage for paxctl lol |
| 22:53.05 | fommil | jhutchins: I'll try them |
| 22:53.30 | centrx | mark4, Is the paxctl package installed? |
| 22:53.35 | jhutchins | fommil: noveau is supposed to work if you don't need 3d. |
| 22:53.44 | mark4 | centrx no - i have emailed him asking him to add it :) |
| 22:53.50 | mark4 | he is in russia, im in texas :P |
| 22:54.07 | jhutchins | mark4: manpages are pretty easy to find on the internet. |
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| 22:54.12 | fommil | jhutchins: cool, I'll try it |
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| 22:54.40 | jhutchins | fommil: Good luck! |
| 22:54.51 | mark4 | jhutchins, yea but im in no hurry, i have OTHER bugs to fix (like the android ndk lib version of this same thing :) |
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| 22:55.14 | bronaugh | frankie: any opinion on backporting this to 4.1.3-6 as is available in Deb? https://github.com/Unidata/netcdf-c/issues/23 |
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| 22:55.27 | themill | !man paxctl |
| 22:55.27 | dpkg | man paxctl is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/paxctl where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 22:55.28 | mark4 | he might have gone to bed, its late there, will rtfm paxctl when he gets it installed |
| 22:55.30 | themill | mark4: ^^ |
| 22:55.31 | mark4 | ty for the help1 |
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| 22:56.31 | mark4 | actually this wont work. adding the header to the binary will BREAK the binary |
| 22:56.39 | mark4 | i need the binary CREATED with the header in the first place |
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| 22:57.16 | mark4 | paxctl is not the answer. but maybe intalling pax-utils will bump the installed binutils and make them add that program header at link time |
| 22:58.19 | fommil | jhutchins: no screens found :-( |
| 22:58.23 | dondelelcaro | mark4: eh? you should be able to create the header after link |
| 22:58.35 | mark4 | dondelelcaro, nope not with THIS binary |
| 22:59.05 | mark4 | this binary has to have carnal knowledge of the ELF program/section headers, their counts and what have you |
| 22:59.14 | mark4 | and it ASSUMES the pas heder is there from the getgo |
| 22:59.38 | mark4 | adding it to a linked binary that does not already contain it... break the binary into not being able to run |
| 22:59.48 | dondelelcaro | that sounds broken |
| 23:00.00 | mark4 | it is. the breakage is not in my code however |
| 23:00.07 | mark4 | its in the binutils not adding pax flags |
| 23:00.38 | fommil | jhutchins: of course, helps if I spell nouveau correctly ;-) still a black screen but at least I can swap out to the terminal |
| 23:00.45 | dondelelcaro | a binary which is unable to cope with additional headers being added seems horribly broken to me |
| 23:01.06 | dondelelcaro | but hey; whatever works |
| 23:02.27 | mark4 | mark@Cubian:~/forth/a4$ paxctl -c a4k |
| 23:02.27 | mark4 | file a4k does not have a PT_GNU_STACK program header, conversion failed |
| 23:02.37 | dondelelcaro | mark4: you want the -C option. |
| 23:02.39 | mark4 | so adding a pax header after the fact does not work |
| 23:02.42 | mark4 | oh will try that |
| 23:02.55 | mark4 | segmentation fault |
| 23:03.07 | mark4 | paxctl segfaults on -C option on my a4k binary |
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| 23:03.19 | dondelelcaro | heh; brilliant |
| 23:03.20 | mark4 | the pax header needs to be presetn at creation time |
| 23:03.38 | mark4 | where would my russian friend get a pax aware verion of binutils |
| 23:04.44 | dondelelcaro | mark4: probably from source |
| 23:04.46 | mark4 | dondelelcaro, btw, this is an ARM system this runs on |
| 23:04.46 | fommil | LOL... |
| 23:04.52 | fommil | it was working with nouveau |
| 23:04.56 | Mousey | big endian or little endian? |
| 23:04.59 | mark4 | dondelelcaro, meaning debian does not support pax out of the box |
| 23:05.16 | fommil | I just didn't have my xmonad config in place so it was giving me default black background waiting for me to request a terminal |
| 23:05.19 | fommil | FACEPALM |
| 23:05.30 | Mousey | has had many debian/ARM boxens |
| 23:05.34 | fommil | jhutchins: awesome, thanks! |
| 23:05.49 | dondelelcaro | mark4: the patch is supported as grsecurity, and presumably paxctl works for some people |
| 23:05.53 | dondelelcaro | mark4: but file bugs if you care |
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| 23:07.16 | dondelelcaro | paxctl -C works fine here; but it wouldn't suprise me that it failed on an ARM box |
| 23:07.26 | mark4 | grsecurity probably adds levels of security and complexity to his embedded system that he probably wouldnt want. pax does not depend on anal retentive security measures across the board :/ |
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| 23:07.55 | mark4 | no idea what measures grsecurity patches add tho.. .. |
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| 23:10.27 | dondelelcaro | of course, considering that the version of binutils that appears to be patched is at least 5 years out of date, I'm not sure if pax is actually worth bothering with... but whatever works |
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| 23:10.45 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're convinced that it is, by all means volunteer to make it happen) |
| 23:12.22 | mark4 | my gentoo system creates pax program headers and is using binutils 2.23.2 |
| 23:12.38 | mark4 | so the patches exist for modern binutils |
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| 23:12.52 | mark4 | or is 2.23.2 old? 1 |
| 23:12.55 | mark4 | didnt think of that lol |
| 23:13.31 | mark4 | anyway its not going to happen, i dont do any linux development thats not in either 100% pure assembler or forth. dont think i can help with patching binutils :) |
| 23:13.39 | mark4 | ty for the help tho :) |
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| 23:16.18 | dondelelcaro | mark4: no problem; good luck with that |
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| 23:16.35 | mark4 | tyty :) ill leave u in piece (or maybe pieces?) :) |
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| 23:45.09 | nyk2005 | I have a really bad problem with an debian upgrade. apt-get could not unpack the new init image, because there was not enough space left on the partition /lib is on. So I moved /lib to the /usr partition, to /usr/root/lib. ***BUT*** now, the output of "ls" is: -bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory. No command can be run anymore. And I can't use ssh to upload /lib back, because other than the open window, I cannot connect anymore. HELP!! |
| 23:45.45 | potatoceleron | nyk2005: do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 23:46.25 | nyk2005 | potatoceleron: no, otherwise I would just re-install.. |
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| 23:47.28 | nyk2005 | potatoceleron: I don't have access to the vmware controls, I'm outside the firewall |
| 23:48.06 | potatoceleron | if no command can be run, and you can't control the installation from outside, nothing can be done. |
| 23:48.15 | potatoceleron | unless there actually is a command you can run, that is |
| 23:48.17 | themill | nyk2005: do you have a root shell still open? |
| 23:48.36 | nyk2005 | potatoceleron: I can still do some things! I can use command line completion to see the files |
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| 23:48.51 | nyk2005 | themill: yes, I have still a root shell with bash running |
| 23:48.52 | potatoceleron | can you cat? |
| 23:48.56 | Dimtree | Try calling /bin/ls |
| 23:49.08 | nyk2005 | potatoceleron: cat, no |
| 23:49.08 | themill | nyk2005: cool, you should be able to sort it from there. |
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| 23:49.18 | themill | nyk2005: is this amd64 or i386? |
| 23:49.43 | nyk2005 | themill: don't know, uname doesn't work anymore |
| 23:50.05 | themill | nyk2005: does «LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/root/lib /bin/ls» work? |
| 23:50.09 | Dimtree | If you can traverse the filesystem with tab complete, try calling executables with absolute filenames |
| 23:50.18 | nyk2005 | themill: I guess i386, it's old |
| 23:50.32 | themill | Dimtree: no executables can find libc6 at present. It's not a PATH issue. |
| 23:50.42 | nyk2005 | Dimtree: calling /bin/ls doesn't work |
| 23:51.31 | themill | nyk2005: I don't suppose you have the busybox-static package installed do you? (does "/bin/busybox" proiduce output) |
| 23:52.06 | nyk2005 | themill: no, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/root/lib didn't work, but the idea seemed perfect!!!!! |
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| 23:54.52 | Dimtree | can you use bash builtins? |
| 23:56.52 | nyk2005 | I can still use ldconfig |
| 23:57.14 | nyk2005 | Dimtree: yes, for example export I can use |
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| 23:57.43 | nyk2005 | (which complains: ldconfig: Can't stat /lib/i386-linux-gnu: No such file or directory) |
| 23:57.52 | nyk2005 | oh, so it's really i386 |
| 23:58.35 | nyk2005 | themill: I have it installed, but can't run it like everything else |
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| 23:58.44 | themill | busybox-static? |
| 23:58.49 | themill | or just busybox? |
| 23:58.55 | nyk2005 | themill: without /lib/i386-linux-gnu |
| 23:59.15 | Dimtree | Try "builtin command LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/root/lib /bin/ls" |
| 23:59.16 | nyk2005 | themill: oh, yeah, not static, unfortunately. I see what you mean.. :) |
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