| 00:00.54 | socomm | shelley: you might be better off asking at #httpd -- apache's channel |
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| 00:01.05 | socomm | I'm guessing you're using apache. |
| 00:01.10 | shelley | Yes. |
| 00:01.23 | socomm | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_proxy_balancer.html |
| 00:01.44 | shelley | Ok, I'll ask there, thank you. |
| 00:01.54 | socomm | np |
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| 00:03.44 | LonelyDanbo | anyone know how to properly describe the terms for a web search when my volume control is reporting audio going out the device, but no sound is coming out my speakers or headphones? |
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| 00:03.57 | Brigo | Geo, and what about logs? |
| 00:06.31 | Geo | ah ha |
| 00:06.33 | Geo | thank you Brigo |
| 00:06.39 | Geo | all kinds of interesting things in there... |
| 00:06.56 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: Well, we'd start with idenfifying the hardware. |
| 00:07.05 | Geo | INFO: task jbd2/cciss!c0d0:177 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 00:07.09 | jhutchins | Then: |
| 00:07.09 | kevix | I use alsamixer and see if anything is mutted |
| 00:07.13 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 00:07.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 00:07.17 | Geo | call trace after it |
| 00:07.35 | Geo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.38 | Geo | etc etc |
| 00:07.44 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 00:07.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 00:08.09 | LonelyDanbo | !alsa: event not found. but then I installed pulseaudio because I was having audio problems to begin with. |
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| 00:09.23 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: Um, generally that's backwards, you REMOVE PulseAudio because you're having problems. The problems it solves are things most people don't have. |
| 00:09.52 | LonelyDanbo | well Alsa didn't even have mixer volume settings, just 4 checklists. :( |
| 00:10.20 | LonelyDanbo | IEC958, IEC958 1, IEC958 2, IEC958 3. |
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| 00:11.14 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: Ok, so look at what dpkg posted above - !<factoid> triggers the bot. |
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| 00:12.14 | LonelyDanbo | I see a meter dancing up and down to the music I'm playing in pavucontrol for the output device of "built-in audio analog stereo" |
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| 00:13.05 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: From which you can conclude just how significant that meter is and how little relation it bears to anything. |
| 00:13.37 | LonelyDanbo | I just thought it meant it was something that was working and I was close to getting it to my speakers. :| |
| 00:14.32 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: follow the six steps above, and if that doesn't work, /msg dpkg <factoid> for the other items. |
| 00:15.07 | LonelyDanbo | oh, those 6 steps. thanks. |
| 00:15.07 | kevix | LonelyDanbo: do you have more than one audio output plug (back, front) |
| 00:15.18 | velleity | quit |
| 00:15.21 | velleity | ./quit |
| 00:15.36 | dvs | !exit |
| 00:15.36 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 00:15.46 | LonelyDanbo | I had front, but I unplugged it from the motherboard just in case. (although it looks foolproof. I'm not sure what the diff between HD Audio and AC-97 is.) |
| 00:16.23 | kevix | LonelyDanbo: if you unplug a wire, sound can still be directed there/ |
| 00:16.24 | LonelyDanbo | and it's the green port. even says "out". tried headphones too. |
| 00:16.53 | LonelyDanbo | no, I just figured in case I plugged it in wrong and like the front headphone jack, it was sending a signal to not send it out the back. |
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| 00:18.49 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: There's no sound during installation! ;-P |
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| 00:19.03 | LonelyDanbo | how do I raise channels with alsamixer if there's no channel settings in alsamixer? |
| 00:19.03 | Kenjiro_ | good morning/afternoon/evening |
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| 00:19.38 | Kenjiro_ | anyone here with experience on installing/running/fixing Debian on sheevaplug (arm processor)? |
| 00:20.39 | Kenjiro_ | I am having a very weird problem with my sheevaplug :( |
| 00:20.42 | LonelyDanbo | instead of a "playback" tab with volume sliders, I have a "Switiches" tab with 4 checkboxes. |
| 00:20.50 | Kenjiro_ | I am booting my sheevaplug using the Debian Installer from a flash drive (USB). |
| 00:20.59 | Kenjiro_ | then I want to mound my SD card (/dev/mmcblk0p2) on '/mnt' so later I can chroot to it |
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| 00:21.12 | Kenjiro_ | but when I do "mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/" I get "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/ failed: No such file or directory" |
| 00:21.21 | Kenjiro_ | weird thing is... the partition is there. I just checked and rechecked the SD card on my laptop. |
| 00:21.31 | Kenjiro_ | I even did "ls /dev/mm*" and that block device shows up |
| 00:21.37 | Kenjiro_ | any hints? |
| 00:21.44 | Kiril | any idea how to fix that --. FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 00:21.44 | Kiril | ? |
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| 00:25.00 | baritone | hello ! any repository with xserver-xorg-video-intel supporting Haswell-ULT ?.. im stuck with mirrored display.. wheezy backports are not fresh enough for Gigabyte Brix GB-BXi7H-4500... |
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| 00:26.37 | kevix | is there a version number of the item to compare, baritone? |
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| 00:30.04 | LonelyDanbo | is there a small text editor that lets me save? notes has no save option. the only other thing I see is office suite stuff. |
| 00:30.38 | Kenjiro | LonelyDanbo: vim? nano? pico? |
| 00:30.39 | subz3r0 | LonelyDanbo: terminal? |
| 00:30.54 | Kenjiro | subz3r0: good question ;) |
| 00:30.58 | subz3r0 | i use nano |
| 00:31.02 | subz3r0 | since i hate vim ;) |
| 00:31.07 | LonelyDanbo | oh god. it couldn't be a simple question, could it. |
| 00:31.24 | subz3r0 | kinda to complex for non daily usage |
| 00:31.46 | subz3r0 | LonelyDanbo: nope |
| 00:31.50 | Kenjiro | I hated vim/vi when I started using linux. So I used pico/nano. But... since a few years I got used to vim and now I like it better ;) |
| 00:31.57 | LonelyDanbo | I want to put text to a file with a GUI and save it to file. that's all. |
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| 00:32.17 | LonelyDanbo | the one in CrunchBang was fine. |
| 00:32.29 | subz3r0 | LonelyDanbo: well you could use any terminal text editor and copy n paste to it |
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| 00:32.36 | baritone | kevix: i have xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6 but Haswell-ULT support is missing from it |
| 00:32.37 | Kenjiro | LonelyDanbo: gedit, kedit, kate... there are plenty of opptions |
| 00:32.39 | centrx | text <-> GUI lol |
| 00:33.04 | kevix | baritone: well at least you know you need a newer version :) |
| 00:33.08 | LonelyDanbo | centrx, yeah, there have been GUI text editors for a long time. I'm not breaking any taboos here. |
| 00:33.12 | subz3r0 | LonelyDanbo: if you want some editor with a "real" gui (did i really say that,,omg) use gedit! |
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| 00:33.27 | LonelyDanbo | k, thanks. |
| 00:33.31 | subz3r0 | you're welcome |
| 00:33.38 | baritone | kevix: actually i dont know where to find it |
| 00:33.46 | kevix | leafpad, gedit, kate, |
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| 00:33.54 | subz3r0 | kedit... leads to using kde.... bahhh |
| 00:33.57 | subz3r0 | :P |
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| 00:34.51 | subz3r0 | baritone: have a haswell too... whats the meaning of ULT support? |
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| 00:35.06 | LonelyDanbo | ... I forgot how to install things from |
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| 00:35.44 | kevix | baritone: https://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2013/06/msg00390.html |
| 00:35.44 | Kenjiro | subz3r0: yep, but I gave him some options ;) |
| 00:35.55 | Kenjiro | LonelyDanbo: apt-get install gedit |
| 00:35.58 | Kenjiro | that should do |
| 00:36.08 | subz3r0 | Kenjiro: lool. so kde is an option? depends!! :D |
| 00:36.10 | baritone | kevix: thanks |
| 00:36.34 | LonelyDanbo | right, thanks. god I'm working myself too hard. I've been at this for almost 20 hours or something. |
| 00:36.48 | Kenjiro | subz3r0: it's an option for those who don't like gnome, like myself ;) |
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| 00:36.53 | subz3r0 | LonelyDanbo: just to find a proper text editor? |
| 00:36.55 | Kenjiro | *who doesn't |
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| 00:37.04 | subz3r0 | Nelson: HaHa -> LonelyDanbo |
| 00:37.05 | Kenjiro | who don't blah... my english is really rusted |
| 00:37.06 | subz3r0 | :P |
| 00:37.33 | Kenjiro | gnome/gtk interface is too damn ugly for my taste |
| 00:37.38 | subz3r0 | Kenjiro: sad to say but youre right... this new gnome shell 3.10 is somekind of ....... |
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| 00:37.43 | Kenjiro | but... the applications work so... just a matter of taste |
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| 00:38.08 | Kenjiro | I just want to mount those partitions on my SD card :( |
| 00:38.19 | subz3r0 | liked gnome shell 3.6 up to 3.8. but the new one just suxx. especially without any categories |
| 00:38.23 | Kenjiro | can't understand why it is not working |
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| 00:39.17 | kevix | baritone: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 00:41.51 | LonelyDanbo | Kenjiro, obviously I'm braindead and a newb, but are you seeing the partition from the installer, or before when you're setting things up? I've spent the last 3 days not being able to install off USB sticks (but they DO boot!) because of one motherboard setting. |
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| 00:42.55 | pi_____ | hi |
| 00:43.05 | baritone | kevix: i try to add jessie repo to apt/sources.list and run aptitude -t jessie install ... i must leave now :-) thanks |
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| 00:43.45 | Kenjiro | LonelyDanbo: inside the installer I choose to "run a shell". OK, it gives me a "ash" shell. From it I can do a "ls /dev/mm*" and the SD card shows up (with all the partitions) |
| 00:44.00 | Kenjiro | so... I guess it is seeing the partitions, right? |
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| 00:44.19 | Kenjiro | then I try to mount any of them... and it tells me "no such file or directory" |
| 00:44.29 | LonelyDanbo | it's all a mystery to me. |
| 00:44.42 | Kenjiro | that makes us 2 *LOL* |
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| 00:45.12 | Kenjiro | I even ran fsck on the SD card (all partitions) on my laptop. No errors, all fine |
| 00:45.50 | LonelyDanbo | also another newbie mistake I made was apparently I had to write the ISO to the USB with the USB unmounted. I'm guessing that's beginner stuff. :P |
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| 00:46.21 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: Did you have automount in the Linux you were using? |
| 00:47.01 | LonelyDanbo | dvs, hahah. yeah. CrunchBang. |
| 00:47.04 | subz3r0 | usb live stick? |
| 00:47.13 | subz3r0 | just dd the image on the stick if its a hybrid iso |
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| 00:47.28 | LonelyDanbo | I was installing ISOs of everything. netinst, CD1, live CD. OpenSUSE. |
| 00:47.41 | dvs | subz3r0: But the USB was mounted. |
| 00:47.48 | subz3r0 | dd if=bla.iso of=dev/sdX bs=1M |
| 00:47.58 | subz3r0 | ahh |
| 00:48.18 | LonelyDanbo | also apparently unetsomething caused problems. but my real problem was a motherboard setting for IOMMU that needed to be enabled. |
| 00:48.30 | subz3r0 | oops there is a / missin after of= :> |
| 00:48.47 | dvs | IOMMU? What the heck is that? |
| 00:48.48 | subz3r0 | unetbootin |
| 00:49.44 | LonelyDanbo | I have no idea. other than I needed it to run the USB installer. |
| 00:50.03 | LonelyDanbo | otherwise the USB installer would boot, but then not be able to find itself and ask for a CD image. |
| 00:50.18 | subz3r0 | so thats means you were trying to get something enabled that you do not know? |
| 00:50.19 | LonelyDanbo | (I think there were two partitions) |
| 00:50.20 | subz3r0 | uhmm? |
| 00:50.52 | LonelyDanbo | yes |
| 00:51.05 | subz3r0 | ähhhh, yes? Lol? |
| 00:51.22 | LonelyDanbo | "I want it to work" is about as much as I know. |
| 00:51.43 | subz3r0 | the questions is: get what to work? |
| 00:51.45 | centrx | . |
| 00:51.50 | subz3r0 | since you dont know what youre trying to get to work? |
| 00:51.51 | LonelyDanbo | the installer |
| 00:51.55 | subz3r0 | can any1 follow him? i cant |
| 00:51.58 | LonelyDanbo | and then Debian. |
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| 00:52.13 | LonelyDanbo | the installer would boot, but would not install. |
| 00:52.13 | subz3r0 | u talked about some IOMMU... what ever it is |
| 00:52.22 | subz3r0 | but it sounds like pr0n |
| 00:53.13 | LonelyDanbo | actually I didn't confirm it was needed for the USB stick, but it was needed for the USB mouse and keyboard after I installed Debian (which I managed to do by putting the HD in a totally different computer) |
| 00:53.40 | LonelyDanbo | and I guessed that it was the same reason I couldn't use the installer on USB on my new PC. |
| 00:53.48 | LonelyDanbo | since they're both USB. |
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| 00:54.28 | LonelyDanbo | gonna reboot and try to fix this audio. |
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| 00:54.56 | dvs | huh? can't hear you |
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| 00:56.49 | subz3r0 | heh audio issues suck |
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| 00:57.52 | subz3r0 | friend of mine wanted me to get jack for him to work... since hes using some studio eqipment for making music.... its not that fun no get it to work ;/ |
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| 00:58.26 | LonelyDanbo | ok. uninstalled pulseaudio, restarted. |
| 00:58.33 | dvs | yuck |
| 00:58.48 | dvs | oh, uninstalled.... good! |
| 00:58.51 | LonelyDanbo | I can't follow dpkg's instructions. I can not unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer. as reported, there are no settings for that. |
| 00:59.51 | dvs | Of course there are setting for that. Press M to unmute and use the arrow keys to raise volumes |
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| 01:00.37 | LonelyDanbo | jumping way ahead to the end of his advice... using «fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer» gets me ... vlc, straight to xfce4-mixer-plu and xfce4-volumed. whah? where do I find the mixer for that? |
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| 01:01.29 | LonelyDanbo | dvs, there's no mute checkbox or sliders. there's 4 checkboxes for IEC958 , IEC958 1, IEC958 2, IEC958 3. |
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| 01:02.04 | dvs | with an "MM" at the bottom? |
| 01:02.08 | oculus | are there built-in tools for zfs in wheezy? |
| 01:02.16 | LonelyDanbo | and instead of a "playback" tab with volume sliders, I have a "Switiches" tab |
| 01:02.28 | k4tZz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.28 | LonelyDanbo | no "MM". no. |
| 01:02.43 | k4tZz | I develop for oculus rift on debian |
| 01:02.46 | k4tZz | how bout you? |
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| 01:02.57 | oculus | k4tZz, never used rift |
| 01:03.02 | LonelyDanbo | (selecting "select controls" just has those 4 checkboxes i mentioned already) |
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| 01:04.42 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: What did you run? |
| 01:04.59 | LonelyDanbo | for what? audio playback? VLC and an MP3. |
| 01:05.12 | dvs | Those "switches" |
| 01:05.23 | LonelyDanbo | for the mixer, Alsa mixer which I threw in the panel. |
| 01:05.33 | LonelyDanbo | the switches are in the Alsa mixer. |
| 01:06.09 | LonelyDanbo | "Sound card: HDA NVidia (Alsa mixer)" tab: "Switches" - 4 checkboxes for IEC958 , IEC958 1, IEC958 2, IEC958 3. |
| 01:06.24 | LonelyDanbo | (no other sound cards to pick from in the pulldown menu) |
| 01:06.55 | LonelyDanbo | maybe it's another mysterious motherboard setting. T_T |
| 01:07.01 | dvs | Menu? That can't be "alsamixer" That must be alsamixergui. |
| 01:07.42 | LonelyDanbo | it just says "mixer" when I remove it. Plus when I installed PulseAudio it had normal slider and mute settings for those. |
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| 01:08.20 | dvs | You get alsamixer by running "alsamixer" from the command line. |
| 01:08.36 | Kenjiro | this mother f*cker! |
| 01:08.46 | Kenjiro | LonelyDanbo: looks like I got it to work |
| 01:09.25 | Kenjiro | I just had to let the Debian Installer go all the way until the "partitioning" point. There I chose "Go Back", then chose to run a shell... and now I can mount the SD Card |
| 01:09.28 | Kenjiro | damn it |
| 01:09.31 | LonelyDanbo | congrats. I wish I could make progress too. |
| 01:09.47 | LonelyDanbo | pfhah. how odd. |
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| 01:10.35 | LonelyDanbo | is alsamixergui not what I want? I just checked and somehow it's not installed. |
| 01:10.48 | Kenjiro | I write some notes about this stuff. Can't suffer like that next time ;) |
| 01:11.11 | dvs | I'm sure the instructions say "alsamixer" |
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| 01:12.08 | subz3r0 | gn8 |
| 01:12.28 | LonelyDanbo | well how do I run alsamixer? |
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| 01:12.37 | centrx | Type alsamixer |
| 01:12.46 | centrx | In the console |
| 01:12.48 | LonelyDanbo | cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
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| 01:14.50 | LonelyDanbo | I guess that thing I added to the .... |
| 01:15.06 | LonelyDanbo | panel, is just "mixer". |
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| 01:16.19 | LonelyDanbo | so... I'm looking at alsamixer's command options... I don't see anything for mute or channel volumes. |
| 01:16.28 | LonelyDanbo | so I'm totally lost already on step 2. |
| 01:16.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I installed the base system with no desktop. I added the unsuported MATE repository and I have no sound in any apps or online video. Is there some basic package for alsa I might be missing for this? I assume it would be one or more packages that would be needed for basic window managers as well. |
| 01:17.58 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: Move cursor left, right, up, down. |
| 01:18.14 | LonelyDanbo | ... huh. I saw a speaker icon appear muted in the top corner when I uncheck the first IEC958 option. and unmute when I check it. but none of the other checks work. and I can't click on the icon after. |
| 01:18.38 | LonelyDanbo | but my cursor is in xchat... |
| 01:19.27 | LonelyDanbo | how do I get focus on the mixer?? I can't click on it! |
| 01:20.15 | LonelyDanbo | god this is so fucking alien. it makes no sense to me. |
| 01:21.10 | LonelyDanbo | WHAT |
| 01:21.51 | LonelyDanbo | please someone help. this must be really obvious at this point. |
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| 01:22.36 | dokma | LonelyDanbo, in alsamixer you mute with m |
| 01:22.46 | dokma | select channel with left/right arrows |
| 01:22.51 | LonelyDanbo | "adding the users into the audio group" ... wait, that was a thing I had to do manually?? I thought it just wanted me to relog. |
| 01:23.09 | dokma | yeah, you need to add yourself to audio |
| 01:23.12 | LonelyDanbo | dokma, how do I get into alsamixer? It's a command with no GUI. |
| 01:23.13 | dokma | check with groups |
| 01:23.18 | dvs | I have no idea where you are. If you are using alsamixer, you should be in a console window with "AlsaMixer v1.0.25" at the top of it. |
| 01:23.19 | dokma | go into shell |
| 01:23.35 | dokma | LonelyDanbo, start a terminal |
| 01:23.37 | LonelyDanbo | how do I go into shell? I only know terminal. |
| 01:23.41 | dokma | that's it |
| 01:23.45 | dvs | same thing |
| 01:23.48 | dokma | in terminal type alsamixer |
| 01:23.54 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.58 | dokma | f4 selects all controls |
| 01:23.59 | LonelyDanbo | cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
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| 01:24.02 | dokma | f5 is capture |
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| 01:24.14 | dokma | iirc |
| 01:24.19 | LonelyDanbo | right what's this user thing and groups? |
| 01:24.29 | kevix | shell= terminal = xterm = console (more or less) |
| 01:24.37 | dokma | it's why linux has almost no viruses |
| 01:24.44 | LonelyDanbo | dpkg didn't get detailed with that explanation. |
| 01:24.44 | dpkg | LonelyDanbo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 01:24.45 | dokma | you actually need permissions to do stuff |
| 01:24.48 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: You have to be part of the audio group to change the audio settings. |
| 01:25.09 | LonelyDanbo | how do I join the audio group? |
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| 01:25.13 | dokma | google how to add user to a group |
| 01:25.28 | kevix | its called 'seperation of privgle' LonelyDanbo |
| 01:25.34 | dokma | I can't remember that one even though I did it hundreds of times |
| 01:26.09 | kevix | LonelyDanbo: meaning you dont start-out with the power to do many things |
| 01:26.16 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: As the root user in a terminal, run "adduser <your_user> audio" |
| 01:26.29 | LonelyDanbo | ... I... did this for sudo from root... |
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| 01:26.47 | dvs | What does "groups" say? |
| 01:26.57 | kevix | if you use 'sudo adduser ...' then you do that as a non-root user |
| 01:27.05 | LonelyDanbo | "The user `fishie' is already a member of `audio'." |
| 01:27.07 | Kenjiro | now, let's see if I can get this new install running |
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| 01:27.43 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: And you're logged out and back in again since you did this? |
| 01:27.53 | LonelyDanbo | yes. |
| 01:28.09 | LonelyDanbo | I never even set myself in the audio group. somehow it was done for me. |
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| 01:30.43 | dokma | LonelyDanbo, what does command 'groups' print out in the terminal |
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| 01:31.10 | LonelyDanbo | fishie cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner bluetooth netdev |
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| 01:33.12 | dvs | LonelyDanbo: Add the line "options snd-hda-intel model=generic" to the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 01:34.12 | LonelyDanbo | heheh. you found a solution? I was just searching for my motherboard along with alsamixer "no sound" |
| 01:34.20 | LonelyDanbo | will give it a try |
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| 01:36.17 | LonelyDanbo | do I need to reboot for this? |
| 01:36.22 | dvs | yes |
| 01:36.36 | LonelyDanbo | alright. brb. thanks for finding that. |
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| 01:39.02 | LonelyDanbo | THANK YOU. IT WORKS! |
| 01:39.13 | vimel | nice. |
| 01:39.14 | dvs | !beer LonelyDanbo |
| 01:39.14 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for LonelyDanbo |
| 01:39.19 | LonelyDanbo | Let the music of your life give life back to music! |
| 01:40.12 | vimel | LonelyDanbo: now that you got some stuff to work. I still recommend you reading these: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/intro-linux.pdf |
| 01:40.13 | vimel | http://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 01:40.13 | vimel | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/install.pdf.en |
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| 01:40.31 | LonelyDanbo | I wish I could take credit for any of the major breakthroughs in getting my machine working, considering how many hours I've spent researching stuff. T_T |
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| 01:42.26 | LonelyDanbo | oh. just reading what you said now, vimel. |
| 01:42.28 | kevix | LonelyDanbo: well, reading and reasearching is good to do |
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| 01:44.45 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know if it's bad or what, but I'm always like "I want to have X done. I don't care how." but then when I fail to make progress at that it really screws with me. I understand it's not ideal for others trying to help them. |
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| 01:45.32 | dvs | The "I don't care how" will really get you into trouble with Debian. |
| 01:46.09 | vimel | LonelyDanbo: helping and being helped is fine. its best to promote being independent. otherwise noone will know anything and will depend on others that are also clueless. |
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| 01:46.40 | LonelyDanbo | well it's like "I could search the web and find someone else who found the solution, or I could comprehensively study all possible topics about this and know everything." |
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| 01:47.23 | LonelyDanbo | like, I understand it would be useful for someone who makes use of that information but ... |
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| 01:48.33 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know. like, it'd be nice if everyone could fix their car if it broke down, but ... maybe not everyone should own a car. but also maybe some people should be able to get a ride without having to be a mechanic. |
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| 01:49.37 | LonelyDanbo | maybe I'm just justifying becoming an increasingly lazy and selfish person over time. :| |
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| 01:51.32 | mentor | What should I use my 32 GB SSD for? |
| 01:51.53 | dvs | Windows! |
| 01:51.57 | dvs | hides |
| 01:52.01 | LonelyDanbo | I like coding. that's an interesting thing. I know an understanding of tangential subjects is useful for such a thing. but I don't think I want to learn to be a Linux admin as a result. I don't know. Is that unfair? |
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| 01:53.12 | centrx | hunts down dvs and traps him inside a Windows User Access Control sandbox |
| 01:53.22 | dvs | noooooooooo! |
| 01:53.39 | mentor | Windows will get what's left when the host and other guests have allocated what they need |
| 01:54.01 | zinx | centrx: not a very strong box to escape from... |
| 01:54.17 | mentor | It seems I can't have it cache anonymous and non-anonymous pages in one go? |
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| 01:55.43 | LonelyDanbo | I'm sorry for being so demanding and short-tempered and taking up so much of your time and energy. thank you for your patience. I hope I wasn't spoiled by having the answers given to me. |
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| 01:58.55 | vimel | if youre ever too obnoxious mods dont have a problem with banning you. :D |
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| 02:02.03 | dvs | vimel: He's gone. |
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| 02:05.43 | athene_noctua | hides from centrx because they don't want to be trapped in a UAC box. |
| 02:06.05 | athene_noctua | centrx: Seriously, that's the most terrifying thing I've ever heard in my life. ;D |
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| 02:30.00 | jo_ | Does anybody know when systemd will become the default on new jessie installs? |
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| 02:36.06 | vimel | supposedly when jessie goes stable. |
| 02:36.17 | vimel | im using it now on jessie. works fine. |
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| 02:37.55 | jo_ | hmm, I would think they would want to have it in testing before then.. I'm installing Jessie in a vm right now. Intend to use it as my main OS once it freezes |
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| 02:46.07 | abrotman | jo_: this isn't 100% decided yet |
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| 02:46.24 | abrotman | jo_: and Jessie isn't meant to freeze for quite some time |
| 02:47.11 | jo_ | The schedule says it is to freeze November 5th. Is this still accurate? |
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| 02:51.16 | centrx | jo_, That is the plan |
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| 02:51.53 | jo_ | OK, thake you all. I will be watching closely and I am looking forward to this release! |
| 02:51.58 | centrx | jo_, systemd is already in jessie, you can use it, it's just not the default |
| 02:52.27 | centrx | jo_, It might not be as well integrated as it will be eventually, but I am told that it works |
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| 02:53.04 | jo_ | I will be trying it out shortly (waiting for the install to finish in my VM) |
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| 02:58.20 | ab64cm | to remove an old kernel i'd just apt-get purge it, right? |
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| 03:02.34 | centrx | ab64cm, I would use dpkg --purge to be safe |
| 03:02.56 | centrx | ab64cm, apt-get remove/purge has a tendency to uninstall every dependency that depends on what you are uninstalling, perhaps unintentionally |
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| 03:07.05 | patolin | hello |
| 03:07.39 | patolin | i have problems with an atheros AR9485 on debian wheezy |
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| 03:09.36 | patolin | i just fixit |
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| 03:13.30 | centrx | patolin, Glad we could help |
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| 03:38.05 | derric | I'm having trouble with nfs. I got a server set up and working, and can mount the share from another machine, although when I try to read a file in the shared directory I get permission denied error. |
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| 03:43.06 | kdog | I'm having a heck of a time with the PGP Release keys. I downloaded wheezy's Release and Release.gpg files and when I do "gpg Release.gpg" and enter the data file (Release), I get back "public key not found" |
| 03:43.57 | kdog | What piece am I missing? |
| 03:44.21 | derric | kdog: You have to import the keys into gpg, then add them to apt. |
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| 03:45.55 | derric | kdog: gpg --keyserver <server> --recv-key <key> |
| 03:45.56 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | kdog: just install debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:46.47 | kdog | derric: OK. I think the <key> part is the thing I'm trying to get. |
| 03:47.16 | kdog | abrotman: I can do that |
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| 03:48.05 | derric | abrotman: I've had to add keys manually for other repros. Adding the debian-archive-keyring will probably work for this. |
| 03:48.58 | derric | abrotman: Any idea how to get nfs to work? |
| 03:49.40 | kdog | I guess I should have started with my end game. I've set up reprepro and slurped down the wheezy repo, but I had to disable VerifyRelease. Now I need the hex key for the release to finish off the setup |
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| 03:51.19 | abrotman | derric: set it up, read the docs |
| 03:51.50 | derric | abrotman: I did: I get permission denied when I try to access the shared directory. |
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| 03:52.52 | derric | abortman: It mounts without complaint, then refused to access. |
| 03:53.05 | derric | s/refused/refuses |
| 03:53.06 | kdog | abrotman: ah. running "gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-stable.gpg" gives my key I think. Thanks! |
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| 03:57.29 | kdog | hmmm. Except that reprepro thinks key 65FFB764 is unknown |
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| 03:59.37 | derric | kdog: Then import and add as I mentioned. |
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| 04:03.04 | kdog | derric: OK. What's the server? God, I'm lame at this PGP stuff. |
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| 04:04.54 | derric | For the server I use pgp.mit.edu |
| 04:05.23 | derric | Recieve the key with the id you have, then export and add it to apt. |
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| 04:07.48 | Dane_Minor | Horace Dennis Allgood |
| 04:09.25 | Dane_Minor | Horace Dennis Allgood |
| 04:09.41 | kdog | derri and abrotman: got it imported into my keyring |
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| 04:11.29 | derric | kdog: It's a little confusion when dealing with apt. There seems to be two key rings, one for gpg and a separte one that apt uses to authenticate packages. |
| 04:13.00 | derric | Usually, if you add the debian repo keyring the apt authentication will be taking care of. Although if you do something out ot the ordinary, which it seems you are doing, then extra meseasures sometimes have to be taken. |
| 04:13.05 | kdog | derric: ah. And then I complicate it with reprepro |
| 04:13.20 | derric | kdog: Yep. |
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| 04:15.17 | kdog | derric: I think reprepro is doing it's thing now, although there isn't an output line that relates to the sig. |
| 04:15.43 | kdog | Now to see if my other box can use this repo. |
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| 04:15.54 | patolin | hello |
| 04:15.56 | Dane_Minor | Horace Dennis Allgood |
| 04:16.06 | patolin | the tracker is overheating my notebook |
| 04:16.09 | patolin | what can i do ? |
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| 04:17.45 | derric | kdog: If apt fails to authenticate a package it will let you know. If you have packages being installed without compaint,then in all likelyhood all is well. |
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| 04:22.10 | kdog | derric: I just sneakered down to that box and pulled down openssh from my repo. It DID complain about trusting, but now that sshd is running I don't have to go there. |
| 04:22.18 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:23.12 | derric | nfs doesn't work! |
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| 04:26.22 | kanupatar | How can I print all debug logs to a text file in an application which is running in background in linux |
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| 04:29.37 | molavy | hi |
| 04:29.38 | molavy | i have problem on use php mimetype detection |
| 04:29.58 | patolin | dpkg tracker overheat |
| 04:29.59 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, patolin |
| 04:31.19 | patolin | i have problems with the tracker-miner-f and tracker-store they overload my cpu, and my notebooks overheats |
| 04:31.39 | WormFood | you have a problem with your laptop, not the software |
| 04:31.41 | patolin | i have tried tracker-preferences but nothing happens |
| 04:32.20 | patolin | the options made doesn't save |
| 04:32.30 | WormFood | your laptop should have the fan/heatsink cleaned, and probably new heatsink grease....and if it is an old laptop, then your northbridge chip may be going bad |
| 04:32.48 | molavy | think that is related to debian config files |
| 04:32.53 | molavy | command : file --mime doc.html return : doc.html: text/x-c++; charset=utf-8 |
| 04:33.00 | molavy | doc.html file: http://dpaste.com/1705409/ |
| 04:33.05 | molavy | also tried this <?php echo mime_content_type('doc.html') ;?> that return: text/x-c++ |
| 04:34.28 | FuuqUmiist | is it more lightweight in Linux to use flash or html5? in Windows flash is GPU accelerated but in Linux there are no longer new features in flash |
| 04:34.32 | patolin | WormFood, 49,9 % for the tracker is normal? |
| 04:34.45 | patolin | and for tracker-miner-f the same |
| 04:34.55 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:35.32 | Rusty1 | !ops Dane_Minor is trolling |
| 04:35.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rusty1 complains about: Dane_Minor is trolling |
| 04:35.45 | Rusty1 | er spamming |
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| 04:36.34 | FuuqUmiist | so does anyone know? |
| 04:37.14 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
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| 04:37.51 | FuuqUmiist | Dane_Minor what if i live in Russia can i still order from you? |
| 04:38.13 | Dane_Minor | Yes, we ship internationally |
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| 04:40.00 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:40.13 | centrx | !ops troll spam |
| 04:40.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: centrx complains about: troll spam |
| 04:40.22 | molavy | any idea? |
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| 04:43.11 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
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| 04:46.50 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:47.11 | FuuqUmiist | Dane_Minor what is the cheapest price you can give me |
| 04:47.21 | Dane_Minor | What are you in the market for |
| 04:47.42 | FuuqUmiist | the truck that was pulling the space shuttle |
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| 04:48.46 | Dane_Minor | Our most powerful truck is a Toyota Tundra V8 |
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| 04:53.53 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:54.13 | molavy | that make me crazy for two days |
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| 04:54.41 | Dane_Minor | You know you want one. Hi, this is Dane Minor, General Manager of Freeman Toyota. And the 2014 Toyota Tundra Texas Edition, is here. It has everything you would want in a truck, and more. In Texas we use our trucks, and sometimes abuse them. And the Toyota Tundra has all the equipment and features you need in a truck. Check us out at www.freemantoyota.com or visit us in Hurst, Texas on Loop 820, just south of the Northeast Mall. |
| 04:54.46 | vimel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: vimel complains about: troll spam |
| 04:55.00 | rww | ops call count: 3 |
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| 04:56.04 | vimel | ty. |
| 04:56.13 | rww | themill: not their first IP address, might want to add ident or something to it |
| 04:56.33 | themill | yeah |
| 04:56.38 | rww | (I did *!~DaneMinor@* too personally) |
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| 04:57.26 | molavy | file --mime doc.html for this file : http://dpaste.com/hold/1709425/ return text/x-c++ |
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| 05:06.08 | patolin | does anyone know the tracker use so many cpu? |
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| 05:16.47 | derric | NFS doesn't work :( |
| 05:18.40 | derric | permission denied. |
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| 05:21.47 | kreig_ | I accidentally started formatting (format process was just started ) my external hard disk ( NTFS ). Now, I am not able to mount it. The device is not being recognized to have an NTFS signature. How can I browse the files that have not been deleted ? |
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| 05:26.35 | centrx | kreig_, Try installing ntfs-3g which has "ntfsundelete" |
| 05:27.04 | centrx | kreig_, Depending on how you formatted, even the section of the drive that was already formatted could be recoverable |
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| 05:31.55 | mo1991 | very strange issue - i have installed a mac partition "hackintosh" on my first partition - I then have the linux partitions which are encrypted chainloading so that I only have to type the encrypted password once. Since installing the "hackintosh" - if I type the encryption password on boot right away, I get a lockup, like the root system is not properly unlocked. If I wait a minute or two and then type encryption password, everythin |
| 05:31.55 | mo1991 | g boots normally. Can anyone help? Perhaps this is something to do with the hfs+ file system hanging for a minute? |
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| 05:33.12 | mo1991 | running debian stable |
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| 05:39.00 | rryoumaa | i doubt i can help you, but perhaps you can explain how you did the chainloading in case soemthign there needs to be done differently. |
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| 05:41.56 | mo1991 | rryoumaa - used /etc/crypttab to point to the keyfile on the /root directory for each drive |
| 05:42.32 | mo1991 | it worked fine until today when I installed the mac partition and mac software aka "hackintosh" to replace my winblows partition |
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| 05:43.52 | mo1991 | any idea where I could look to see the boot error that happens when I type in the encryption password right away (aka and I get a freeze) |
| 05:44.03 | rryoumaa | install bootlog |
| 05:44.57 | Lewoco | Why is debian's netbeans only version 7.0 (circa 2011)? |
| 05:45.04 | mo1991 | ok installed bootlog |
| 05:45.16 | rryoumaa | i have an issue where /etc/init.d/cryptdisks works fine after the host is up, but it cannot find the key file at boot |
| 05:46.05 | mo1991 | this is definetly a strange error - totally repeatable - if I type the password in right away it crashes - if I wait a minute or two then it boots fine and all is well. Seems to have something to do with the mac partition as thats all that has changed. |
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| 05:50.22 | mo1991 | rryoumaa - where does bootlog.d put its files? |
| 05:50.30 | mo1991 | I assume in /var/log somewhere |
| 05:50.42 | rryoumaa | boot |
| 05:50.43 | rryoumaa | yes |
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| 05:50.58 | FuuqUmiist | probably a virus |
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| 05:52.24 | WormFood | why in the hell is the package mac-fdisk only available for powerpc architecture? I'm not allowed to work with mac disks on other architectures? |
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| 05:53.29 | emss | WormFood maybe you just use the regular fdisk package? |
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| 05:53.37 | WormFood | doesn't work |
| 05:53.39 | kanupatar | How can I print all debug/ouput logs to a text file in an application which is running in background in linux |
| 05:53.43 | naomi1 | is there a good book on debian i should read ? |
| 05:53.57 | WormFood | it does not know the apple partition table format, nor how to manipulate the crapple specific stuff |
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| 05:57.14 | emss | WormFood don't think you can use fdisk when using uefi |
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| 05:57.35 | WormFood | who said I'm using uefi? |
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| 05:58.53 | WormFood | I'm working with a powerpc mac formatted hard drive...trying to make it boot Linux from the hard drive (instead of the network)...it's connected in target disk mode...and I can mount the partitions, but I can't seem to find anything to properly manipulate the things I need |
| 05:59.15 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure, a powerpc mac will puke on a uefi formatted disk. |
| 05:59.31 | WormFood | technically, that'd be GPT |
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| 06:02.43 | WormFood | emss, so, what I'm getting, is I'm not allowed to edit mac partition tables on anything other than powerpc (or maybe 68k) architecture(s)....which I can do, just not convenient. |
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| 06:03.48 | WormFood | maybe there is something architecture specific about the software, but I can't imagine that is the case. |
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| 06:04.45 | emss | WormFood get the source package |
| 06:04.55 | WormFood | yeah, I thought about that too |
| 06:06.11 | themill | (it doesn't build) |
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| 06:06.28 | emss | why not? |
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| 06:07.52 | themill | I'm not sure how to answer that other than "because". |
| 06:07.58 | derric | NFS works! :) |
| 06:08.28 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I wonder why it won't build. |
| 06:08.46 | WormFood | I bet I can make it build....on powerpc |
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| 06:08.57 | themill | WormFood: there are plenty of other things that handle gpt partitions if that's all you need. |
| 06:09.09 | emss | hmm error output might help |
| 06:09.11 | dotDeb | does GNOME not support compiz effects? |
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| 06:09.28 | dotDeb | and if no, does XFCE? |
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| 06:09.58 | themill | emss: I have no interest in debugging it -- if you do, then it will be far more efficient for you to download the source and play than to do so through a high-latency proxy. |
| 06:10.51 | Lewoco | I change my sources.list to use 'testing' instead of 'wheezy' and now when I try to update aptitude, it complains about Hash Sum mismatch. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:11.58 | themill | Lewoco: the mirror you are facing is out of sync in some way. You might like to use http.debian.net instead |
| 06:11.59 | WormFood | themill, I already said, I don't need GPT support. |
| 06:12.20 | themill | looked like you said the opposite. *shrug* |
| 06:12.50 | WormFood | where does it look like I said that? |
| 06:13.06 | themill | [16:59] <WormFood> technically, that'd be GPT |
| 06:13.19 | WormFood | read what I said before it |
| 06:13.36 | themill | good luck! |
| 06:13.40 | WormFood | I was correcting my previous sentence |
| 06:13.47 | WormFood | luck is not required |
| 06:14.12 | WormFood | I have mac-fdisk working...just not on the architecture I want to work with it on :P |
| 06:14.35 | mo1991 | dotDeb - xfce works fine with the old compiz 8.4x from unstable - but you will need to get it from a snapshot as it is no longer in debian |
| 06:15.02 | mo1991 | deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20130815T034749Z/ sid main |
| 06:15.18 | mo1991 | add this repo - install compiz - then remove repo |
| 06:15.25 | mo1991 | works with wheezy and xfce |
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| 06:16.16 | dotDeb | mo1991 ah i see |
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| 06:16.46 | Lewoco | themill, That worked. Thanks. |
| 06:17.42 | mo1991 | dotDeb - its actually very stable - and very old, which is why I think it got dropped as nobody was supporting any of the newer compiz builds |
| 06:18.50 | mo1991 | I recommend using it with emerald 0.7.2 to make the windows less ugly. |
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| 06:28.54 | molavy | i reported a bug on debian bug tracker |
| 06:28.55 | molavy | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741220 |
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| 06:29.08 | molavy | can someone help me how can i solve this? |
| 06:30.44 | centrx | :( |
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| 06:43.04 | mogunus | Hi, I need a recommendation for mass storage that'll work with linux. |
| 06:43.23 | mogunus | I have debian stable running on a NUC with a USB 3.0 port |
| 06:43.52 | mogunus | And I'm confused about external storage bay options |
| 06:44.11 | mogunus | It seems that everything with at least 2 drive bays has some kind of integrated RAID controller? |
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| 06:45.16 | mogunus | And I'm having a hard time finding compatability documentation for these controllers wrt linux. |
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| 06:57.23 | molavy | can someone help me about this problem |
| 06:57.24 | molavy | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22293579/file-mime-doc-html-return-doc-html-text-x-c-charset-utf-8-on-debian |
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| 06:59.14 | centrx | molavy, I get doc.html: text/html; charset=us-ascii |
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| 07:01.31 | centrx | molavy, There might be some funky characters in your file? |
| 07:01.53 | centrx | molavy, Otherwise, I am getting the right file type (jessie/testing) |
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| 07:02.20 | emss | molavy same here doc.html: text/html; charset=us-ascii |
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| 07:16.41 | LonelyDanbo | is there a channel for figuring out how to install WINE? I'm stuck on which outdated deb packages to download... |
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| 07:18.38 | LonelyDanbo | ah, nevermind. I think I figured it out. |
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| 07:18.55 | LonelyDanbo | looks like I gotta backtrack and redo the steps in between. |
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| 07:23.33 | LonelyDanbo | bleh. I must have screwed up somewhere. gdebi libwine-* gives me: This package is uninstallable Dependency is not satisfiable: libwine-unstable (= 1.7.11-0.1) |
| 07:25.50 | LonelyDanbo | ffffff... no helpful sesarch resuls on that. |
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| 07:27.14 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: so why are you not just pulling it in off the official repos? AFAIK, it Just Works ® |
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| 07:27.52 | hanibana | Hi, suppose that I have two Internet connections on my gateway; so two valid ip1 and ip2, I have set. The default gateway is through the first connection. Now I have two questions: 1) If I ping ip2 somewhere in the net, does reply return back correctly? 2) With a DNAT rule for some external_ip as source, with "ip2" as destination and some internal-ip as NAT target, does returned packet (from internal_ip) go via first internet connection (which is set as |
| 07:27.54 | hanibana | default gateway) or second (from which request packet comes in)? and why? |
| 07:27.59 | LonelyDanbo | shingouz, ehh... the official one is an unstable one that just directs you to this convoluted process I'm trying to go through right now. |
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| 07:29.33 | LonelyDanbo | I'm trying to go from WINE 1.4.1 to 1.5.5 |
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| 07:30.16 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: so what you are saying is that when you do an apt-get install wine (or the equivalent with wnatever system you work with), you get to do a wild goose chase? and do you *really* need that version? |
| 07:30.59 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know. I'm guessing the newer one is more stable? |
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| 07:31.51 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: and where did you get 1.5.5 in the first place? |
| 07:31.58 | LonelyDanbo | but since I'm in the middle, I might have broken 1.4.1 |
| 07:32.05 | LonelyDanbo | http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 07:32.46 | naomi_ | is there a good debian book i can read to learn about debian ? |
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| 07:32.48 | shingouz | ...good grief... LonelyDanbo /msg dpkg debian-backports and /msg dpkg backports |
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| 07:34.40 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: i seriously suggest that if you are a newbie with debian, do not try to just grab stuff off the net and install it in a non-debi9an way. you will keep your sanity a lot easier if you just go ith the debian packages. also, i am a little doubtful about if there is any real stability issues with the version you have off the debian repos |
| 07:35.07 | LonelyDanbo | hm. |
| 07:35.21 | LonelyDanbo | ... can I reverse what I've done so far? |
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| 07:35.48 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: i am not sure, maybe. if you know what you did, there is always a possibility you are able to reverse it |
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| 07:36.30 | LonelyDanbo | hm. |
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| 07:36.38 | shingouz | exactly |
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| 07:38.04 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: personally i install something *not* on the debian repos only if i absolutely have to do it (and even then i tend to be a bit sceptical about the install) |
| 07:38.20 | LonelyDanbo | I wonder if I should reinstall Debian... |
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| 07:38.56 | LonelyDanbo | ah well. thanks. If I'm not the Nth degree of stupid I should stop and go to sleep. |
| 07:39.07 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: if you have not done any real work on it yet and are a noob... yes, thata would be the easiest way out |
| 07:39.22 | shingouz | sleep is good too... |
| 07:39.33 | LonelyDanbo | yeah especially after being up for 24 hours |
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| 07:40.44 | shingouz | LonelyDanbo: if your mouse seems to move on its own accord, it might be better to grab some z's... let the computer sit and come back to it after some refreshing nightmares |
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| 07:41.07 | shingouz | s/nightmares/dreams/ |
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| 07:55.17 | naomi_ | what does debian "wheezy" mean |
| 07:55.25 | naomi_ | does that just mean version 7 ? |
| 07:55.53 | CosmicB | naomi_ yep |
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| 07:56.05 | naomi_ | CosmicB: what was version 6 called ? |
| 07:56.30 | CosmicB | naomi_ the 'pet' names for each Debian version are taken from the characters in Toy Story :p |
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| 07:56.51 | shingouz | !tell naomi_ about wheezy |
| 07:57.16 | CosmicB | naomi_ I don't recall 6 at the moment |
| 07:57.21 | naomi_ | ooo thanks @shingouz |
| 07:57.33 | shingouz | squeeze, i think |
| 07:57.51 | naomi_ | ooo that's why i'm so confused |
| 07:58.06 | naomi_ | they're almost the same word |
| 07:58.22 | naomi_ | i was having trouble differentiating |
| 07:58.26 | naomi_ | but this is helpful, thank you |
| 07:58.53 | shingouz | naomi_: /msg dpkg release |
| 07:59.27 | naomi_ | (1.1) buzz, (1.2) rex, (1.3) bo, (2.0) hamm (2.1) slink, (2.2) potato, (3.0) woody, (3.1) sarge, (4.0) etch, (5.0) lenny, (6.0) squeeze, (7.0) wheezy, (8.0) jessie |
| 07:59.45 | shingouz | naomi_: you can /msg the bot... |
| 08:00.14 | naomi_ | oh <release history> |
| 08:00.18 | naomi_ | sorry :S |
| 08:00.23 | naomi_ | is embarrassed with her noubery |
| 08:00.47 | shingouz | naomi_: don't worry, everyone has to start somewhere |
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| 08:19.08 | user258467 | Hi, I am looking for a tool which monitor for a process which not respond (100%CPU) I have a production mysqld and sometimes the databases crashes so I have to reboot it , I would like a script that monitor the crashe and then send a mail |
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| 08:19.57 | jelly-home | user258467: monit is pretty configurable |
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| 08:21.56 | utug12 | hello im need help with my sound |
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| 08:22.43 | JNixx | utug12: What's wrong with sound? |
| 08:22.47 | user258467 | jelly-home, thanks for the tip, I am asking myself how to monitor several servers so that when a crash happens it send a mail , do a sendmail has to be configured on each server? |
| 08:23.47 | jelly-home | user258467: sendmail or a smaller replacement for it, that's the typical way |
| 08:24.09 | JNixx | user258467: SNMP is highly configurable and is used to remotely managed logs and alerts from multiple servers. An example for process monitoring is here: https://sites.google.com/site/ghidit/how-to-2/using-snmp-as-a-process-watchdog |
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| 08:24.37 | user258467 | jelly-home, it can be tedious when dealing with several servers (it is not my case), thanks |
| 08:25.21 | user258467 | JNixx, oh yes SNMP I will think about if it worth to implement it thanks |
| 08:25.28 | jelly-home | user258467: small replacements for sendmail that only know to send mail over to a remote host are called "null clients". There are many: msmtp-mta, or nullmailer, or ssmtp, or dma ... |
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| 08:27.00 | user258467 | jelly-home, ok I didn't know I will look at these solution |
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| 08:34.05 | xgl | hi all |
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| 08:36.50 | JNixx | hi :) |
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| 08:43.49 | spacepluk | do you think it's possible to combine several adsl lines somehow to increase bandwidth? |
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| 08:44.04 | doebi | spacepluk: lol |
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| 08:44.17 | spacepluk | maybe some openwrt hacking |
| 08:44.29 | spacepluk | doebi: I guess that's no |
| 08:44.58 | jelly-home | spacepluk: it depends. |
| 08:45.17 | doebi | spacepluk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized_Link_State_Routing_Protocol |
| 08:45.30 | doebi | but seriosly: why? |
| 08:45.33 | OpenTokix | spacepluk: yes, but generally providers will not like that idea - usually you just use the upstream from the second one, for related traffic. |
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| 08:46.48 | jelly-home | spacepluk: in general, you can do http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html if you don't have an outside endpoint to connect to |
| 08:47.57 | spacepluk | I want more upload bandwith |
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| 08:48.37 | jelly-home | mobile 3g-4g networks typically have decent upload |
| 08:49.05 | spacepluk | yeah but they drop the speed after xGb |
| 08:49.27 | jelly-home | !tanstaafl |
| 08:49.28 | dpkg | somebody said tanstaafl was "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls" |
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| 08:50.12 | spacepluk | I'm willing to pay some money :D |
| 08:50.19 | spacepluk | hehehe |
| 08:50.43 | spacepluk | well, I'll check the offer here first, I was just wondering |
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| 09:06.45 | _aeris_ | ohai here ! |
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| 09:07.23 | _aeris_ | i have a question about dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 09:07.48 | _aeris_ | is there any option to build only a single package on a multibinary package ? |
| 09:08.09 | _aeris_ | looking in the man, don't find anything :( |
| 09:08.26 | napalm_christ | what is the difference between noprobe and no arch in linux terminology ? |
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| 09:10.12 | themill | _aeris_: no (and the package build system probably doesn't really allow that anyway). You can select between arch-dependent and arch-independent packages though (but it doesn't always change what is actually built) |
| 09:10.26 | babilen | _aeris_: You typically want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for questions regarding packaging |
| 09:10.37 | babilen | _aeris_: And you will have to build everything. |
| 09:10.47 | _aeris_ | >< |
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| 09:11.01 | _aeris_ | linux is VERY huge to build only to have linux-image :D |
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| 09:11.15 | _aeris_ | thanks for the answer :) |
| 09:11.35 | themill | _aeris_: you don't rebuild the package if you want to rebuild the kernel |
| 09:12.03 | themill | dpkg: tell _aeris_ about kernel handbook |
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| 09:13.00 | _aeris_ | themill > i try make-kpkg before, but the built kernel don't boot |
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| 09:13.19 | _aeris_ | building from linux source package and it works |
| 09:13.49 | themill | probably because you didn't build the initramfs or you didn't build the modules you need. |
| 09:14.07 | themill | what is making you want to build the kernel anyway |
| 09:14.11 | _aeris_ | themill > i reuse the .config of my running kernel |
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| 09:14.25 | _aeris_ | there is a bug on bluetooth |
| 09:14.32 | _aeris_ | and a not merged patch for it |
| 09:14.47 | _aeris_ | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60824 |
| 09:15.10 | napalm_christ | themill: anaconda cant detect my hdd what can i do ? |
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| 09:15.26 | babilen | _aeris_: Take a look at http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building -- it uses "make deb-pkg" and will allow you to configure the kernel the way you want it. |
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| 09:16.17 | _aeris_ | babilen > i already try from linux-source |
| 09:16.25 | _aeris_ | kernel don't boot :'( |
| 09:16.40 | babilen | _aeris_: Didn't you say that you used make-kpkg? |
| 09:17.08 | _aeris_ | make-kpkg run deb-pkg, no ? |
| 09:18.29 | babilen | _aeris_: I have no idea, but I didn't recommend to use make-kpkg and you will also notice that it is not mentioned once in the chapter I linked to earlier. |
| 09:18.57 | _aeris_ | ok, so i will try |
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| 09:29.15 | shellox | does anyone know a good guide for apache(prefork) performance tuning |
| 09:29.16 | shellox | ? |
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| 09:29.54 | OpenTokix | shellox: There is none, that is up 2 date. |
| 09:30.05 | OpenTokix | shellox: Do you have any specific question I might be able to help you |
| 09:30.23 | OpenTokix | shellox: meeting now, back in 30-60 minutes. - Drop me a PM if you want to discuss it |
| 09:30.34 | paddy | there is none? what about http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html |
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| 09:32.59 | anddam | can start-stop-daemon take care of respawning a running service that exits? |
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| 09:34.25 | ionelmc | hello |
| 09:34.27 | ionelmc | how can i avoid this question: "This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory ... continue anyway? (y/n)" |
| 09:35.00 | ionelmc | i want to force-yes, but i don't see any debuild options for that |
| 09:35.50 | babilen | ionelmc: You want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for packaging related questions. It also helps to tell us what you are actually trying to achieve (i.e. the "big picture") |
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| 09:36.35 | ionelmc | i'm putting some patched packages in my own ppa |
| 09:36.52 | ionelmc | well i guess it could be a ubuntu question |
| 09:37.16 | napalm_christ | babilen: any sugetions ? |
| 09:37.44 | babilen | ionelmc: You also need the orig tar.{gz,xz, ...} (that is the original tarball of the release you are packaging) if you want to build software. It, naturally, cannot be built without that. There is also #debian-ubuntu and #ubuntu-packaging if you are packaging for ubuntu. |
| 09:37.58 | babilen | napalm_christ: Don't eat yellow snow |
| 09:38.52 | jelly | babilen: is #debian-ubuntu on oftc? |
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| 09:39.10 | babilen | jelly: It is, yes |
| 09:39.45 | napalm_christ | babilen: my rhel cant detect hdd can you help ? |
| 09:40.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell napalm_christ -about red hat |
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| 09:41.16 | babilen | napalm_christ: You should have first-class Red Hat support to help you with rhel problems. I would try to contact them as Red Hat (or any distribution that isn't pure Debian) is, unfortunately (?), not supported in here. All the best! |
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| 09:42.58 | babilen | ionelmc: I'd suggest to take it to #ubuntu-packaging as it doesn't sound as if you are packaging for Debian at all. OTOH it might make sense to actually package for Debian and to contact the people in #debian-ubuntu for help with merging your package into Ubuntu once you have it in Debian. (IMHO the better way) |
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| 09:43.23 | napalm_christ | babilen: allright thx |
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| 09:49.18 | ionelmc | babilen: can't be merged, it's very specific |
| 09:49.31 | ionelmc | babilen: if you still want to take a look, https://gist.github.com/ionelmc/7109195 |
| 09:49.51 | ionelmc | the problem is that i've specificed the "local" suffix |
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| 09:50.54 | ionelmc | something is wrong, but i worked 5 months ago |
| 09:50.55 | jelly | xgl: English, please |
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| 09:51.01 | ionelmc | maybe i did something different |
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| 09:52.43 | xgl | exit |
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| 10:00.11 | babilen | ionelmc: #ubuntu-packaging is the better place for this discussion. And you always need the orig.tar.gz if you want to build a package. But lets continue this in the other channel. |
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| 10:01.44 | sajjadg | my led resolution is 768p (1366x768) and I want to set my display to 720p (1280x720). how can I do that? xrandr deosn't show 720p in its resolution list |
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| 10:09.08 | P4 | already asked this on #dbus but here the audience is wider and topic might be more related. recently i was messing up with ConsoleKit and now I cannot run e.g. systemctl because of error: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.". then I found DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is empty and guessing that session is not started with dbus-launch. how to investigate? i remember i |
| 10:09.09 | P4 | was changing pam but no details. :( this is not a desktop to have xinitrc |
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| 10:09.18 | P4 | did I say Hello? :) |
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| 10:11.14 | P4 | by the way, can I decreas number of console-kit-daemon? htop lists like 80 of those, why so? can't it be 10 max? |
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| 10:11.31 | naomi_ | how can i upgrade a fresh 7.0 install to the latest version? |
| 10:11.34 | P4 | s/n?/n processes?/ |
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| 10:12.27 | P4 | naomi_: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade; after reviewing /etc/apt/sources.list if you are brave :) |
| 10:12.40 | nkuttler | naomi_: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 10:13.01 | nkuttler | naomi_: no need for dist-upgrade or braveness, that will just pull in security updates and bugfixes |
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| 10:13.27 | naomi_ | nkuttler: "braveness"? |
| 10:13.29 | P4 | how do you explain issues with dbus after people upgrade to jessie, nkuttler? :P |
| 10:13.39 | naomi_ | nkuttler: also, what's wrong with sec updates and bugfixes? |
| 10:13.46 | sajjadg | naomi_, good luck ;) do what p4 said |
| 10:13.48 | nkuttler | naomi_: nothing, that's exactly what i said |
| 10:14.00 | nkuttler | P4: the latest debian is stable. jessie is not released |
| 10:14.11 | P4 | ok, to me the latest is truely latest :P |
| 10:14.42 | naomi_ | nkuttler: does `aptitude upgrade` just upgrade all packages that are currently installed? |
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| 10:14.56 | sajjadg | go for jessie. it breaks and makes your life miserable. it's fun ;) |
| 10:15.04 | nkuttler | naomi_: if you have done an aptitude update before, it should |
| 10:15.11 | nkuttler | sajjadg: do NOT recommend such things |
| 10:15.19 | naomi_ | nkuttler: just fyi, i'm pretty much a brand new debian user |
| 10:15.25 | nkuttler | naomi_: i figured |
| 10:15.27 | naomi_ | so i'm sorry if these questions are dumb |
| 10:15.27 | OpenTokix | sajjadg: =) |
| 10:15.28 | naomi_ | ^.^ |
| 10:15.35 | nkuttler | naomi_: no problem at all :) |
| 10:15.36 | naomi_ | i'm playing w/ debian on digital ocean |
| 10:15.41 | naomi_ | pretty excited |
| 10:15.44 | nkuttler | good for you |
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| 10:16.04 | sajjadg | naomi_, stay with the stable if you're new. jessie (testing) is a bit unstable with updates. |
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| 10:16.24 | P4 | digital ocean requires no user knowledge about the system. you picka droplet and have a system in 3 minutes. also use it but this is very bad way of learning things imo :( |
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| 10:17.00 | nkuttler | P4: uh, wrong twice |
| 10:17.15 | P4 | no, just speaking not precisel |
| 10:17.21 | nkuttler | P4: you need as much knowledge as for any install. and how is that a bad way.. |
| 10:17.41 | ionelmc | babilen: it's very lonely in there?:) |
| 10:17.41 | naomi_ | p4 it comes pretty bare |
| 10:17.45 | P4 | nkuttler: e.g. if you want to setup ghost installation from scratch and with DO. |
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| 10:18.01 | naomi_ | P4: there's APP varieties you can install |
| 10:18.08 | sajjadg | and now I want to have to hear the sound from both my speaker and headphone when my jack is plugged. pvaucontrol can't do it :-/ |
| 10:18.13 | naomi_ | P4: but i installed bare debian 7.0 (x64) |
| 10:18.25 | babilen | ionelmc: Be patient |
| 10:18.29 | P4 | setting up things by hand lets you know how they work. clicking a website link is way different, long talk short :P |
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| 10:18.56 | P4 | naomi_: very good :) not talking about you but generalizing :) |
| 10:18.58 | naomi_ | P4: if it's any consolation, i'll be working through a debian book this week |
| 10:19.12 | P4 | no no, don't feel offended, I'm sorry! |
| 10:19.12 | naomi_ | P4: and also it launched my instance in 55 sec :) |
| 10:19.26 | naomi_ | anyway i need some rest now |
| 10:19.32 | naomi_ | but i will be on tomorrow |
| 10:19.33 | P4 | enjoy Debian! :) |
| 10:19.38 | naomi_ | ^.^ |
| 10:19.42 | naomi_ | bye bye for now, thanks |
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| 10:20.14 | sajjadg | Naked_, :-) are you always naked? |
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| 10:23.27 | babilen | sajjadg: That is neither appropriate nor on-topic |
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| 10:24.03 | sajjadg | babilen, right. sorry |
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| 11:16.07 | bumbar | the easiet way to change hostname is /etc/hostname and then restart the machine? |
| 11:16.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell bumbar about hostname |
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| 11:20.46 | moty66 | hello, I need help to install exim4 http://paste.debian.net/86833/ |
| 11:20.57 | moty66 | I can't remove postfix |
| 11:21.13 | moty66 | I don't know what does "Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details" mean |
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| 11:26.44 | moty66 | I think that the dependencies are not handled correctly in this case |
| 11:26.52 | sheepman | hi all, whats the easiest way to migrate all software and services etc from one host to another? (Both running Debian 6) |
| 11:27.22 | sheepman | is there an easy way? Or is it a case of doing it manually? |
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| 11:29.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell moty66 -about immediate configuration |
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| 11:30.11 | moty66 | babilen: I am not upgrading to wheezy |
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| 11:31.18 | moty66 | babilen: it is a bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621836 |
| 11:33.40 | babilen | moty66: ack |
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| 11:34.39 | moty66 | babilen: following the steps of reporter fixed my problem, sorry for bothering you |
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| 11:36.04 | FULL | 4082450412168098|10|2017|781|ANTONIO MORENO|LLAGOSTERATORRES ADALID 1012 2 COL. DEL VALLE|MEXICO DF|DF|03100|Mexico APROVED ENJOY HIGH RATE GOGOGOGOGOGO NON VBV |
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| 11:36.57 | moty66 | wtf ! |
| 11:37.06 | babilen | moty66: Hmm? |
| 11:37.08 | sheepman | yeah i thought that |
| 11:37.17 | sheepman | worst spam ever |
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| 11:37.44 | moty66 | poor Antonio :( |
| 11:39.14 | zeta- | new tactic: getting you to feel sorry for his incompetence ... |
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| 11:47.53 | cybrNaut | does debconf-get-selections only get the install-time configuration? Or does it also take into account things that change later on? |
| 11:48.14 | jelly | cybrNaut: it shows the current state |
| 11:48.25 | cybrNaut | nice. thanks |
| 11:48.35 | pfote | ugh .. thats spam up there, thats valid creditcard card data |
| 11:49.08 | jelly | hopefully Antonio will have locked the card sson |
| 11:49.27 | pfote | hopefully |
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| 11:50.05 | cybrNaut | what happens in mexico, when fraud occurs? does the bank lose, or the victim? |
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| 11:51.21 | jelly | -> #debian-offtopic, please |
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| 11:53.51 | moty66 | what do you recommend to use, apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 11:55.01 | cybrNaut | moty66: dist-upgrade really stung me in going from etch to lenny -- so be sure to backup if you go that route |
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| 11:55.33 | cybrNaut | i've never heard of the full-upgrade option.. |
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| 11:56.57 | moty66 | cybrNaut: found it here https://wiki.debian.org/it/DebianPackageManagement |
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| 11:57.03 | cybrNaut | moty66: i'm trying a new technique out-- the preseed file. You can create a file that automates the install, so an install from scratch is mostly effortless |
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| 11:57.41 | themill | moty66: depends on the size and complexity of the upgrade |
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| 11:58.28 | moty66 | themill: it is a small server with mysql5, subversion and hylafax |
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| 12:00.30 | cybrNaut | moty66: the way that page reads, it seems full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade.. just different names for the same, depending on the tool. |
| 12:00.54 | cybrNaut | moty66: aptitude is generally better though.. it keeps more records or something |
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| 12:02.44 | moty66 | ok, thanks, i am reading more about this |
| 12:02.55 | cybrNaut | why does debconf-get-selections produce so many lines that end in "error"? For example => "netcfg netcfg/invalid_pass error" |
| 12:03.26 | themill | moty66: that says nothing about the complexity of the upgrade you are doing. |
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| 12:03.36 | cybrNaut | my install went smooth, so I'm not sure why errors are in there... and i'm not sure how they are useful in the preseed file |
| 12:03.38 | themill | (and for big upgrades, aptitude is *not* the better tool for the job) |
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| 12:04.49 | cybrNaut | themill: are you saying apt-get is better? I thought aptitude used apt-get, and did extra stuff |
| 12:06.20 | themill | [22:57] <themill> moty66: depends on the size and complexity of the upgrade |
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| 12:16.29 | cybrNaut | themill: that doesn't really answer the question. If "aptitude full-upgrade" calls "apt-get dist-upgrade", how could apt-get ever be better in any case? unless there is a bug in aptitude which causes it to botch something |
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| 12:17.43 | themill | cybrNaut: aptitude does not call apt-get like that |
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| 12:25.03 | cabezzza | Hello everyone... Do you know if there is a way to get the exit code of a background process? |
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| 12:25.38 | cabezzza | I have a process what is crashing a lot... and I would like to know with what exit code is finishing |
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| 12:25.51 | cabezzza | core dump is too much |
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| 12:29.18 | SPF | cabezzza: $? |
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| 12:37.57 | cybrNaut | SPF: i thought $? was the exit code for the last foreground process |
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| 12:39.01 | cybrNaut | cabezzza: you probably will have to wrap the background process in a script that records the exit code somewhere |
| 12:39.50 | Dutchy | hello, i have 2 interfaces that are configured via dhcp. routes are done automatic, no extra configuration. how do i force the default route to go through eth0? it always ends up being eth1 |
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| 12:41.49 | SPF | cybrNaut: yes, and I agree with your suggestion |
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| 12:47.03 | SPF | Dutchy: I'm sure you'll find lots of examples on Google |
| 12:47.21 | Dutchy | well |
| 12:47.27 | Dutchy | i know how to configure a route |
| 12:48.02 | Dutchy | but I wondered if I could somehow give an interface a default preference via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:48.17 | Dutchy | i have googled, but 2 interfaces on dhcp is apparently not that common |
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| 12:50.12 | SPF | Dutchy: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:50.39 | ashmew2 | Hello. I just installed Debian and want to install g++ 4.8.1 , (I have 4.7.2 on an up to date system). |
| 12:50.55 | ashmew2 | What would be the preferred method of doing this ? |
| 12:51.00 | ashmew2 | Thanks |
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| 12:51.20 | Dutchy | SPF: do you feel like pointing me to the right section within that manual? |
| 12:51.41 | SPF | Dutchy: yes |
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| 13:03.46 | SPF | Dutchy: how is the server connected to the third network? |
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| 13:04.21 | SPF | because the 2 dhcp networks are seperate and you'll need a third ip to communicate with a third network |
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| 13:05.11 | kombi | what's the best way to just install the jar utility? (and not the whole jdk shabang) |
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| 13:06.26 | sajjadg | what happens after 1378!? |
| 13:06.35 | sajjadg | stackoverflow :P |
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| 13:07.13 | wols | kombi: afaik the jar utility needs the whole rest. isn't it written in java itself? |
| 13:07.46 | jelly | sajjadg: the limit is set every 10 minutes or so to current_users+15 |
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| 13:08.28 | sajjadg | kombi, jre |
| 13:08.53 | jelly | sajjadg: there's an overflow channel people get redirected to in case of overflow |
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| 13:10.06 | sajjadg | nice. good to know. thanks jelly. what's the logic behind it? security? keeping spammer bots away? |
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| 13:12.07 | leftist | do i need the dvd iso's or can i get just the 1st |
| 13:12.35 | jelly | sajjadg: exactly |
| 13:12.53 | sajjadg | kombi, for running jar files you only need jre (Java Runtime Environment) jdk is for development only. apt-get install openjdk-7-jre |
| 13:12.54 | jmusits | any reason an xserver would fail to launch on boot is there is no monitor plugged in? the proprietary nvidia driver gets unloaded and the logs state that no usable screen(s) were found. I can provide full logs if that helps |
| 13:12.56 | leftist | wht exactly should i download for install |
| 13:13.12 | leftist | i dont need all 3 iso i just want to install sercver |
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| 13:13.21 | kombi | sajjadg: thanks! |
| 13:13.33 | sajjadg | leftist, do you have internet connection? |
| 13:13.35 | zykotick9 | leftist: cd1 or dvd1 "should" be fine, but i'd go netinst if you have an ethernet connection during install... |
| 13:13.42 | sajjadg | kombi, don't mention it |
| 13:14.16 | leftist | ok |
| 13:14.19 | leftist | thanks sagadg |
| 13:14.24 | leftist | i'll do that |
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| 13:39.50 | obiwandk | got a problem on kali very newbie |
| 13:39.56 | bolt | #kali |
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| 13:40.33 | obiwandk | yeah they are not that helpful for newbs |
| 13:40.43 | bolt | kali is not supported here |
| 13:41.17 | themill | it's #kali-linux btw |
| 13:41.27 | bolt | ah. good to know |
| 13:41.33 | obiwandk | :) |
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| 13:43.07 | bolt | quite prudent of freenode to reserve #kali for an eventual discussion channel about hindu goddesses |
| 13:43.19 | joelwallis | Hi. I installed Debian Wheezy in one VBox machine and xfce4 desktop environment after doing a vanilla installation. But the XFCE installed is a lot different than the showed in xfce.org. |
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| 13:43.52 | joelwallis | How can I get the latest version of XFCE in Debian Wheezy? |
| 13:44.24 | OpenTokix | Obi Wan Stable says you dont need the latest version |
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| 13:45.06 | obiwandk | messed up some thing whit bash or gksu |
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| 13:45.49 | petn-randall | obiwandk: I heard #windows is really helpful, and kali is equally unsupported there. :) |
| 13:45.56 | obiwandk | ok |
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| 13:47.12 | bolt | ... |
| 13:48.54 | bolt | hm.. how do I disable autoconfiguring ipv6 for a single interface? i have one that I only want to use as a bridge for kvm. "iface eth0 inet manual" in /etc/network/interfaces does that for ipv4, but with "iface eth0 inet6 manual" i still get an autoconfigured ipv6 address |
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| 13:49.51 | OpenTokix | bolt: sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth1.accept_ra=0; sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth1.autoconf=0 |
| 13:50.20 | jdabinett | can anyone recommend a well supported usb wifi adapter? |
| 13:50.33 | jdabinett | somoene has said atheros chipset is ideal |
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| 13:52.21 | petn-randall | jdabinett: Most of them work out of the box, unless they're brand new chipsets. If you have access to the device, you can check the USB id if it's supported. Other than that you can google "$device_name linux" to see if it's supported. |
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| 14:14.23 | Zuhaitz | Hi, I cant remove xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx |
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| 14:14.29 | Zuhaitz | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:14.58 | Zuhaitz | I have Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy and a line of testing, I did apt-get -t testing install nemo |
| 14:15.24 | Zuhaitz | And now I cant install nemo, neither upgrade, because of that package |
| 14:15.56 | james0r2 | just installed debian for the first time. running xfce with kwin. just can't seem to get the fonts to look right though. using anti-aliasing in the xfce appearance settings. http://imagebin.org/298288 |
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| 14:16.02 | james0r2 | anyone give me some pointers? |
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| 14:25.00 | babilen | james0r2: You might want to run "dpkg-reconfigue fontconfig-config" and choose "Autohinter", "Always", "No" |
| 14:25.28 | babilen | Zuhaitz: Yes, mixing stable with anything but backports is a very bad idea and you are now the proud member of some stable/testing bastard. |
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| 14:27.24 | n-st | what could happen if i connect two usb harddisks with exactly identical partitions (even identical UUIDs) at the same time? |
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| 14:27.48 | Nik05 | try it out |
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| 14:28.21 | bytecounter | Hi @all. I want to mount webdav by user, but I got message, that only root can do this. The option "user" is set in fstab, also suid-bit for davfs is set. |
| 14:28.33 | n-st | i've got an uneasy feeling that it might break things -- data even -- so i'd rather not try... |
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| 14:28.56 | james0r2 | babilen, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config huh? command ain't working for me |
| 14:29.05 | n-st | although i could probably prepare a test setup with some unused thumb drives... |
| 14:29.06 | babilen | james0r2: How so? |
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| 14:29.24 | Zuhaitz | babilen: any solution? :D |
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| 14:29.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell Zuhaitz -about bat |
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| 14:30.33 | babilen | Zuhaitz: General solution: Bite the bullet and track testing (cf. "/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie") which you may not want (testing isn't really meant to be used by users, packages are being removed, it is a moving target, no security supports, bugs, ...) or you can reinstall the box. |
| 14:31.18 | babilen | Zuhaitz: Might be possible to rescue the Frankendebian, but I wouldn't count on that as downgrades are generally not support and testing and wheezy might have diverged enough to make this impossible. I can't be sure about that though. |
| 14:32.08 | Zuhaitz | babilen: I hace Debian GNU / Linux 7 + Gnome Shell in 2 PC |
| 14:32.12 | Zuhaitz | And a Netbook |
| 14:32.21 | Zuhaitz | May I install testing in this old PC |
| 14:32.25 | Zuhaitz | And try |
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| 14:32.56 | Zuhaitz | Should I remove secutiry line from sources If I upgrade to testing? |
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| 14:33.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Zuhaitz -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 14:34.22 | Zuhaitz | Ok thanks, but no security lines means that is insecure? |
| 14:34.43 | babilen | Zuhaitz: Please also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of tips in there apply to testing too. I would also recommend to configure the system in such a way that you can pull packages from unstable as this will be necessary at this point in the release cycle. See "/msg dpkg tum" for an example of that configuration. |
| 14:35.28 | babilen | Zuhaitz: It does *not* have security support. Packages are uploaded to unstable and will transition normally into testing (cf. http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html *read this* ) |
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| 14:35.57 | babilen | Zuhaitz: Which is one of the reasons why you might want to pull packages from unstable every now and then. |
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| 14:36.23 | Zuhaitz | Is unstable "stable" now? |
| 14:36.23 | Zuhaitz | :D |
| 14:36.42 | Zuhaitz | I used debian sid for years in an old PC time ago |
| 14:37.00 | babilen | Zuhaitz: I want to make you aware that running testing and/or unstable constitutes a significant effort in system maintainance and you might have to learn a lot about Debian and its packaging system to deal with its idiosyncrasies and bugs. |
| 14:37.01 | Zuhaitz | I remembe it could be quite stable sometimes |
| 14:37.24 | babilen | Zuhaitz: "stable" simply means "not changing" in the context of Debian and unstable is therefore, by definition, not stable. |
| 14:37.33 | babilen | dpkg: stable |
| 14:37.33 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.4); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 14:37.35 | Zuhaitz | babilen: I prefer dependencie conflicts than not secure lne |
| 14:37.37 | babilen | Zuhaitz: ^^^ |
| 14:37.52 | Zuhaitz | Ok... |
| 14:38.27 | babilen | james0r2: You said that you cannot run that .. what happens if you try? Did you run it as root? |
| 14:38.30 | Zuhaitz | Then I will have 2 Debian GNU / Linux Wheezy PC and 1 Old PC with unstable |
| 14:38.33 | Zuhaitz | Iwill try |
| 14:38.33 | Zuhaitz | :D |
| 14:39.56 | james0r2 | babilen, i didn't. works with root thanks |
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| 14:40.59 | james0r2 | babilen, chose "autohinter", "always" and "no" no different so far. |
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| 14:44.47 | james0r2 | babilen, seems to be an improvement after logging out and back in again. |
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| 14:49.36 | bolt | OpenTokix: does it have to be done by sysctl? i was hoping I could keep this neatly inside of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:49.36 | Zuhaitz | babilen: do I need security and updates lines in unstble? |
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| 14:49.36 | bolt | OpenTokix: sorry for the delay. phone. |
| 14:49.36 | Zuhaitz | I see not security lines with update |
| 14:49.36 | Zuhaitz | XD |
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| 14:50.21 | OpenTokix | bolt: I have never done it in interfaces - so I dont know |
| 14:51.32 | bolt | Zuhaitz: are you sure you want to run unstable? if you're uncertain how to set sources.list for that, you might want to read some more before trying |
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| 14:51.33 | Zuhaitz | bolt: is not enought with this: |
| 14:51.34 | Zuhaitz | deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.34 | Zuhaitz | deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 14:51.34 | Zuhaitz | ? |
| 14:51.34 | babilen | Zuhaitz: No, packages can (and are) uploaded directly to unstable. Read the "Lifecycle of a release" chapter ;) |
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| 14:51.34 | Zuhaitz | That have sense |
| 14:51.34 | babilen | Zuhaitz: And I second bolt's words of caution. |
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| 14:51.57 | babilen | Zuhaitz: Sure, know yourself out! |
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| 14:51.59 | babilen | james0r2: Wonderful, that was my experience too |
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| 14:53.08 | bolt | OpenTokix: problem is, if i set that as default, none of the other interfaces will autoconfigure either |
| 14:53.11 | Zuhaitz_ | Please SORRY my flood :( |
| 14:53.15 | Zuhaitz_ | Sorry! |
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| 14:54.44 | OpenTokix | bolt: you set it for that particular interface |
| 14:54.53 | OpenTokix | bolt: you can set it in network/interfaces with a up directive |
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| 14:55.46 | bolt | OpenTokix: won't that just run it after the interface has gone up, at which point it already has the autoconfigured address and the sysctl commands do nothing? |
| 14:55.58 | bolt | OpenTokix: like, if I run those commands in the console now, the address stays |
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| 14:56.07 | OpenTokix | bolt: it will remove the autoaddress, you might be able to put it as a pre-up command? |
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| 14:57.32 | bolt | I ran "sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra=0; sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth0.autoconf=0" and ifconfig still shows inet6 addr: fe80::202:.... |
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| 14:58.01 | OpenTokix | bolt: yes, that is the link-local |
| 14:58.07 | OpenTokix | bolt: you always have that, regardless. |
| 14:58.18 | OpenTokix | bolt: your global address is 2001: something (generally) |
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| 14:58.32 | bolt | hm.. ip -6 addr flush eth0 removed that |
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| 14:58.51 | OpenTokix | bolt: if you disable ipv6 totaly you will have no ipv6-addresses at all |
| 14:58.56 | bolt | perhaps i can run that too on "up" |
| 14:58.59 | bolt | ? |
| 14:59.09 | Dagger2 | don't worry about the link-local |
| 14:59.11 | bolt | OpenTokix: I want that one interface to be a bridge only |
| 14:59.12 | OpenTokix | bolt: link-local shouldnt be a problem |
| 14:59.18 | Dagger2 | you can have link-locals on bridge members, it works fine with them |
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| 14:59.47 | OpenTokix | bolt: what Dagger2 said |
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| 15:02.43 | OpenTokix | bolt: you can do: sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.eth0.disable_ipv6=1 |
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| 15:08.16 | napalm_christ | wth |
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| 15:09.11 | bolt | OpenTokix: ah, that does it. awesome :) |
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| 15:09.32 | bolt | hugs OpenTokix, OCD now satisfied |
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| 15:10.38 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 15:10.51 | OpenTokix | bolt: not sure if I am ok in helping your OCD =) |
| 15:12.39 | OpenTokix | ... or CDO as it should be |
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| 15:17.07 | napalm_christ | dpkg bot not working |
| 15:18.10 | bolt | OpenTokix: cdo? |
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| 15:19.01 | OpenTokix | =), sorted alphabetically =) |
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| 15:27.48 | bolt | :D |
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| 15:28.17 | abailarri | Hello. I created a user with the command useradd myname |
| 15:28.28 | abailarri | but in the /home directory not appears the folder |
| 15:28.33 | abailarri | what happens? |
| 15:28.56 | zykotick9 | abailarri: fyi, adduser is a lot easier... |
| 15:29.43 | abailarri | zykotick9, I know, but it not make any folder |
| 15:30.30 | zykotick9 | abailarri: adduser != useradd |
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| 15:31.13 | abailarri | ooooo, Im strupid! |
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| 15:44.59 | hik | Hi, i try to install an debian, but when i type "apt-get update" he said me "Could not resolve ftp.us.debian.org", but i can ping that... An idea ? Thanks a lot |
| 15:46.14 | Rubas | Do I need some kind of TRIM on my SSD when I run Debian? |
| 15:46.15 | babilen | hik: Paste your sources.list, your command and its exact output to http://paste.debian.net please and give us the URL. |
| 15:46.46 | SwedeMike | Rubas: no, you never *need* trim. It might help performance in some cases, but it always works without. |
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| 15:46.56 | SwedeMike | sometimes TRIM makes performance worse. |
| 15:47.34 | Rubas | SwedeMike: thank you, can you explain why? and what it does TRIM? :) |
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| 15:47.38 | colo-work | consider using fstrim periodically, instead of mounting your filesystems with the "discard" option |
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| 15:48.11 | SwedeMike | Rubas: you asked about TRIM but you don't know what it is? |
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| 15:48.11 | babilen | Rubas: All I did was to mount filessytems on SSD with "discard" in /etc/fstab and to set "issue_discards = 1" in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
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| 15:48.22 | arcanine | hello, please be gentle, I would like to run the following command on system start: |
| 15:48.31 | babilen | colo-work: Could you elaborate on that? |
| 15:48.40 | arcanine | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.41 | SwedeMike | Rubas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM |
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| 15:49.23 | arcanine | so I've made a new file inside /etc/init.d with the following: |
| 15:49.24 | arcanine | http://pastebin.com/8P1yysRw |
| 15:49.28 | Rubas | SwedeMike: I was tipped off by a guy telling me I must have TRIM, and I was like why? my system runs perfectly :) - thanks for the link :) |
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| 15:49.40 | arcanine | and used update-rc.d but the program doesn't run on system reboot |
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| 15:50.00 | babilen | arcanine: Base your init script on /etc/init.d/skeleton and fill in the blanks |
| 15:50.00 | colo-work | babilen, since DSM/TRIM is a synchronous operation in the ATA spec, having your SSD discard a list of block will make the device slow down significantly; esp. in a server-workload environment, you'll want to have a say in deciding when that slowdown shall occur. we're TRIMing our SSDs nightly, and mount without discard (using ext4) |
| 15:50.11 | arcanine | okay |
| 15:50.30 | colo-work | that way, we can shore up any spikes in IO service times to a timeframe where there's little load on the servers anyway |
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| 15:50.38 | Sbroker | Hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
| 15:50.44 | babilen | colo-work: Thank you - I will look into that and will probably simply use a cron job in that case. |
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| 15:51.07 | babilen | colo-work: I am simply using it on my laptop though :) |
| 15:51.13 | colo-work | babilen, you're welcome :) glad I could provide you with information for once, instead of the usual other way around ;) |
| 15:51.18 | babilen | hooray! :) |
| 15:51.19 | hik | babilen: i can't copy paste all result, because is in a vm. But the error is "Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'" |
| 15:51.25 | colo-work | yeah, for my personal desktop, I don't bother and just mount with discard, too |
| 15:52.22 | babilen | hik: What does "nslookup ftp.us.debian.org" give you? |
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| 15:54.52 | eKyNoX | Hey everyones ! |
| 15:55.31 | hik | babilen: not install and i can't install :(. Btw i've put the ip address of security.debian.org directly in /etc/hosts and it's working |
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| 15:57.16 | hik | babilen: i've add ftp.us.debian.org in the same file and it's working. Have you got an idea ? |
| 15:58.35 | ldnblk | since installing debian wheezy I am unable to view video content in a web browser, what do I need to install to over come this problem ? |
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| 15:59.12 | eKyNoX | Gift if needed, I get my latest (2.0+) Cinnamon desktop working on my debian, for those who wish to : http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/10/how-to-build-and-install-the-latest-cinnamon-from-git/ |
| 15:59.22 | mtn | ldnblk: did you install the flash plugin? |
| 15:59.26 | eKyNoX | works on wheezy, jessie and sid :) |
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| 16:00.10 | jelly | eKyNoX: when will it be in debian! |
| 16:00.27 | ldnblk | mtn: I will just check |
| 16:00.29 | eKyNoX | ldnblk: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and update your sources.list before |
| 16:01.58 | eKyNoX | jelly: it is actually on sid, but in 1.6 version and bugged when using start menu. The last way is the method I posted |
| 16:02.25 | eKyNoX | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720466 |
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| 16:02.54 | TomyWork | hi |
| 16:02.57 | eKyNoX | Hey |
| 16:03.02 | eKyNoX | loves Debian ! |
| 16:03.05 | TomyWork | can i use wildcards in control/conffiles? |
| 16:03.07 | Brigo | ,v cinnamon |
| 16:03.08 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b1 |
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| 16:03.31 | eKyNoX | Brigo: means "mv" ? :) |
| 16:03.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell TomyWork -about mentors |
| 16:03.59 | Brigo | eKyNoX, no, i was invoking judd -a bot- asking for cinnamon versions. |
| 16:04.02 | ldnblk | mtn: great stuff it now works thanks |
| 16:04.18 | mtn | ldnblk: you're welcome |
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| 16:04.37 | eKyNoX | kk |
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| 16:04.56 | zykotick9 | would it be normal for the 486 kernel from backports to lack support for dual-core/multitread cpus? /proc/cpuinfo only reports a single cpu0 with 486, but with 686pae it correctly shows 2. is this working as designed? |
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| 16:05.21 | jelly | eKyNoX: care to comment on http://bugs.debian.org/737565 and show it's possible to build 2.0.x? |
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| 16:06.07 | centrx | zykotick9, Was the 486 dual-core/multithreaded? |
| 16:06.33 | zykotick9 | centrx: same machine, just rebooting into the different kernels |
| 16:06.54 | eKyNoX | jelly: Yes, I will comment that workaround. I could be glad one day to maintain that packet for Debian |
| 16:07.03 | eKyNoX | anyway ^ |
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| 16:07.14 | jelly | <3 |
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| 16:07.21 | centrx | zykotick9, (Hint: The last version of the 486 was released in 1994) |
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| 16:07.54 | TomyWork | babilen i cant connect to irc.debian.org from here |
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| 16:09.00 | TomyWork | whoops |
| 16:09.13 | TomyWork | anyway, i just tried - i really cant access it |
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| 16:10.43 | eKyNoX | -version BitchX: Client: BitchX-1.3-git (internal version 20121231) |
| 16:10.47 | eKyNoX | ^^ |
| 16:11.00 | eKyNoX | BitchX is Baxk ! |
| 16:11.04 | eKyNoX | back* |
| 16:11.20 | TomyWork | uhuh |
| 16:11.30 | centrx | Did you fix all the security vulnerabilities |
| 16:11.34 | jelly | /o\ |
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| 16:12.14 | TomyWork | with a version from 2012? unlikely |
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| 16:12.30 | jelly | almost 2013! |
| 16:12.43 | TomyWork | almost last year, yeah :) |
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| 16:23.54 | deamd | hi, grub fail at the end of a live debian install, please temm me what went wrong ? |
| 16:24.06 | deamd | tell me ** |
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| 16:25.21 | centrx | deamd, How should we know? |
| 16:25.26 | deamd | can someone help a newb here |
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| 16:25.50 | deamd | so, what i should check . please tell me\ |
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| 16:25.59 | centrx | deamd, Why do you think it failed? |
| 16:26.33 | deamd | it actually shows message at the end of install process that , gruub failed to install |
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| 16:27.01 | TomyWork | In a debian package's "conffiles" control file, can i use wildcards? |
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| 16:27.07 | deamd | then a menue ofmany options is shown but none of them was good to make grub install on my hard disk |
| 16:27.28 | centrx | deamd, Try http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html first |
| 16:27.54 | deamd | hmm, those are for newb? |
| 16:27.56 | deamd | i check anyway |
| 16:28.31 | deamd | centrx, the word grub in no where in the link |
| 16:28.46 | deamd | i used ctrl+f and seasrched grub |
| 16:29.32 | centrx | TomyWork, Try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 16:29.38 | deamd | can you give me the link that tells why grub fails at the end of installation , the message was something like "grub failed to install on har disk" |
| 16:29.43 | phox | I like how Debian's bash-completion scripts violate 'nounset'. Epic fail. |
| 16:29.45 | phox | :| |
| 16:29.58 | centrx | deamd, What have you tried so far? |
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| 16:30.20 | deamd | one more question, do i have to have internet ready to get debian installed from live usb? |
| 16:30.23 | nkuttler | phox: report a bug.. |
| 16:30.37 | phox | nkuttler: that's an idea. I actually might, but experience says bugs don't get fixed :P |
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| 16:31.08 | p8m | phox: you should ask for your money back |
| 16:31.15 | deamd | i was shown a menu of option where i selected "install grub on hard disk" but then again it failed. no matter how many times i try |
| 16:31.25 | phox | p8m: Debian QC is at an all-time low these days =/ |
| 16:31.32 | phox | I blame Ubuntu |
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| 16:33.54 | deamd | centrix, that grub fail to install is not a common problem for newb when debian is installed from live |
| 16:34.04 | TomyWork | centrx i can't connect to that. i tried irc, the webirc on oftc.net and mibbit |
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| 16:34.41 | centrx | TomyWork, Connect to irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 16:37.27 | TomyWork | like i said i tried irc |
| 16:37.30 | TomyWork | the protocol |
| 16:37.49 | TomyWork | i'm firewalled |
| 16:39.03 | centrx | TomyWork, Open a New Server Tab and type "/server irc.oftc.net" |
| 16:39.10 | p8m | TomyWork: some irc servers allow connections on non-standard ports like 7070. Try one of those. |
| 16:39.23 | jhutchins | TomyWork: Are you aware that oftc.net is the same as irc.debian.net? |
| 16:39.24 | TomyWork | the firewall has a whitelist, not a blacklist |
| 16:39.54 | jhutchins | s/net/org |
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| 16:48.52 | psiklops | Hi. I installed 1. FreeDOS, 2. WinXP and 3. Debian Testing to HDD ... FreeDOS and Debian are the only OSs that appear in Grub .. how do i add WinXP to Grub? fdisk -l » http://paste.debian.net/86915/ |
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| 16:52.59 | jhutchins | psiklops: Run update-grub (as root). |
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| 16:54.02 | psiklops | jhutchins, has no effect .. it is still the same |
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| 16:54.42 | ksk | you have no xp installed? try mounting that partition and see whats going on |
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| 17:02.19 | Guest18722 | Hello there, I was wondering how I could fix my server, it does not respond to SSH or any kind of requests, but I can get it into recovery mode |
| 17:02.25 | Guest18722 | How can I diagnose the problem? |
| 17:02.36 | centrx | Guest18722, What happens when you boot? |
| 17:02.44 | Guest18722 | centrx: it's a remote server |
| 17:02.48 | centrx | Guest18722, Please change your nick to something more unique/legible with /nick <new nick> |
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| 17:03.36 | isking | centrx: I'm not sure what happens, it responds to ping but ssh doesn't work, neither do any other services |
| 17:03.49 | isking | when I could last access it, SSH was down but everything else was working |
| 17:03.52 | centrx | isking, Can you use nmap on it? |
| 17:04.12 | centrx | isking, Is it possible someone accidentally stopped those services? |
| 17:04.15 | isking | Sure, give me a second |
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| 17:04.38 | isking | centrx: I am the only person with access to the server, unless someone hacked it? |
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| 17:05.01 | jhutchins | isking: What do the logs say? |
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| 17:05.16 | isking | jhutchins: should I boot into recovery? |
| 17:07.20 | isking | centrx: jhutchins not even responding to ping now |
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| 17:07.57 | centrx | isking, Sounds like something is seriously wrong |
| 17:08.05 | centrx | isking, Call the hosting provider |
| 17:08.18 | isking | centrx: I did, they told me to take a look through recovery |
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| 17:10.32 | jhutchins | isking: What do the logs say? |
| 17:10.39 | isking | jhutchins: logging in now |
| 17:10.53 | psiklops | ksk, XP is installed ... before i installed Debian it was there as XP and FreeDOS was an Unknown OS |
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| 17:11.51 | jhutchins | psiklops: mount the XP partritions and make sure the kernel is intact. update-grub should run os-prober, which should find the nt kernel. |
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| 17:12.38 | isking | jhutchins: anything I can do through IPMI? it doesn't look like this is even booting into recovery.. |
| 17:13.13 | psiklops | jhutchins, i think i should install XP, then FreeDOS then Debian ... |
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| 17:13.24 | isking | psiklops: yeah |
| 17:13.39 | isking | psiklops: as long as you install xp first |
| 17:14.07 | psiklops | cool |
| 17:14.10 | psiklops | thanx ;-) |
| 17:14.15 | psiklops | ciao ciao |
| 17:14.15 | jhutchins | isking: Sorry, I don't know the capabilities of your interface. I guess it would be unusual to be able to mount the drives. |
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| 17:14.37 | jhutchins | isking: My interfaces allow me to see the console during boot. |
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| 17:15.03 | isking | jhutchins: :o I have the HP IPMI |
| 17:15.18 | jelly | isking: iLO? |
| 17:15.28 | isking | yeah |
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| 17:16.11 | isking | jelly: yeah |
| 17:16.36 | jelly | isking: you can log in to iLO, access the console (java applet! have oracle java 1.6 nearby), reboot or power-cycle, even mount and boot from an .iso image on your computer |
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| 17:16.40 | dondelelcaro | isking: assuming you have a serial console enabled in grub (which you *should*), you can view everything |
| 17:16.54 | dondelelcaro | isking: ilo has an ssh serial console |
| 17:17.02 | isking | OMG |
| 17:17.05 | isking | you guys are the best |
| 17:17.08 | isking | thank you so so so so so much |
| 17:17.18 | dondelelcaro | if you don't, then you can use the java console, which will work if you don't have the serial console set up |
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| 17:17.37 | jelly | it also has text console mapping over ssh, but the ssh access is, in my experience, quite unreliable |
| 17:17.40 | dondelelcaro | (but you should always set up the serial console; do it once you fix this if you haven't done so already) |
| 17:17.53 | dondelelcaro | jelly: it's actually not too bad, but it does require lots of special options |
| 17:17.55 | jhutchins | How similar is the HP ipmi to Dell DRAC? |
| 17:18.03 | isking | ugh it's using the remote keyboard |
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| 17:18.08 | isking | any way I could fix that? |
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| 17:18.16 | jelly | jhutchins: iLO actually works |
| 17:18.23 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: pretty different |
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| 17:19.32 | dondelelcaro | doesn't really understand why enterprise grade hardware even has video cards |
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| 17:20.56 | jelly | it runs windows |
| 17:21.25 | jelly | an easy to forget fact :-) |
| 17:21.58 | dondelelcaro | serious windows admins don't use the GUI... and it's not like serious enterprise stuff actually runs windows anyway |
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| 17:22.29 | dondelelcaro | but that's getting way OT... I actually did find hardware recently which doesn't have it... AMD's new set of telco-grade super servers don't have video cards... |
| 17:22.30 | isking | dondelelcaro: "Serious windows admins" |
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| 17:22.41 | Walex2 | dondelelcaro: because they need to be PC-compatible, to the point of being able to run MS-DOS 3.1 if so desired. |
| 17:22.47 | haridas | Hi, I'm not getting the debian-forum activaton mail... I checked the spam box also.. I was trying this for few days now ? Any idea ? |
| 17:23.14 | Walex2 | dondelelcaro: major CPU and system suppliers have enormouse test suites to ensure that their products are fully backwards compatible. |
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| 17:26.49 | talo | hi |
| 17:27.57 | isking | dondelelcaro: http://gyazo.com/86aaed0fd6a51e7f597454f335b8e72c |
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| 17:32.06 | jelly | isking: first, ensure you have backups of that machine; next, do what it asks you to |
| 17:32.23 | jelly | fsck can be destructive sometimes |
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| 17:32.36 | dondelelcaro | isking: yeah, that may mean that you've deleted an inode which is actually needed, but it's hard to say |
| 17:32.53 | isking | jelly: I don't, but it doesn't matter, however, the password is a long string, and I cannot type it because the keyboard layout is weird |
| 17:33.00 | jelly | ah. |
| 17:33.05 | isking | can I paste? |
| 17:33.10 | jelly | isking: nope |
| 17:33.18 | isking | any other way to get in? |
| 17:33.23 | isking | it's like 100 chars |
| 17:33.45 | jelly | isking: I always use US keyboard on the local machine an US keyboard on the managed server's console to avoid issues with kbd layout |
| 17:34.10 | jelly | isking: you might be able to paste it if you ssh into iLO and run its "textcons" |
| 17:34.10 | isking | jelly: Never really been an issue for me :/ |
| 17:34.30 | isking | jelly: you mean just ssh into the iLO IP? |
| 17:34.34 | jelly | isking: yes |
| 17:34.35 | dondelelcaro | isking: yes |
| 17:34.39 | isking | ah okay |
| 17:34.58 | jelly | depending on how old the machine is, you may need to use weird ssh client options |
| 17:35.04 | dondelelcaro | isking: if you reboot, and add console=ttyS0,57600 to the kernel boot line in grub, you should be able to get it to work |
| 17:35.16 | isking | not, ssh is off |
| 17:35.21 | isking | nope * |
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| 17:35.36 | jelly | isking: blame your admin! :O |
| 17:35.40 | isking | haha |
| 17:35.44 | isking | it is their fault.. |
| 17:35.54 | isking | all I did was reboot my server and here we are \o/ |
| 17:36.25 | dondelelcaro | isking: you can usually turn ssh on from the http ilo interface |
| 17:36.26 | jelly | type those 100 characters on a US layout carefully. It will take less time than driving to the data center |
| 17:36.31 | isking | it looks like SSH should be running |
| 17:36.31 | isking | yeah |
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| 17:36.53 | isking | jelly: it's half way across the world, and I still think it'd take less time :x |
| 17:37.16 | isking | http://gyazo.com/91d2916e09a27a5a5ae1794365070b40 |
| 17:37.19 | isking | it should be working.. |
| 17:37.33 | dondelelcaro | isking: http://paste.debian.net/86924/ are the ssh config options you may need to connect to the ilo |
| 17:37.52 | isking | dondelelcaro: where do I need to put this? |
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| 17:37.57 | Ritzton | someone would be kind to explain me how syslog is working on debian wheezy ? rkhunter is saying "Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev: /dev/tty10: ASCII text" and I can see in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf "destination d_console_all { file(`tty10`); };" |
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| 17:38.17 | dondelelcaro | isking: in a Host entry in your ~/.ssh/config which is specific to that ilo IP/hostname |
| 17:38.43 | dondelelcaro | actually has them in a set of *-ilo.* entries... |
| 17:38.52 | jelly | dondelelcaro: SendEnv was additive last time I tried... did they change it so user could override /etc/ssh/ssh_config? |
| 17:39.14 | jelly | had to comment out SendEnv in the global config |
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| 17:39.54 | isking | SSH isn't running |
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| 17:40.10 | jelly | (or is blocked by firewall) |
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| 17:40.24 | jelly | (outside your jurisdiction) |
| 17:40.29 | dondelelcaro | jelly: could be |
| 17:40.38 | isking | :// |
| 17:40.55 | dondelelcaro | isking: check the ssh -vv foohost; output to see if it's actually connecting and failing |
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| 17:41.04 | isking | dondelelcaro: Im on windows |
| 17:41.16 | dondelelcaro | well, there's your problem... ;-) |
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| 17:41.20 | jelly | isking: putty? |
| 17:41.21 | isking | haha shush |
| 17:41.23 | isking | jelly: yep |
| 17:41.53 | isking | you guys must think I'm an idiot, but I actually have ~12 servers :/ |
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| 17:42.06 | jelly | does not |
| 17:42.12 | isking | o: |
| 17:42.21 | isking | never had to use anything past recovery mode |
| 17:42.37 | Ritzton | nobody is using debian wheezy and rkhunter here ? |
| 17:42.39 | jelly | isking: well, cipher settings are in Connection -> SSH |
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| 17:43.09 | isking | jelly: what does it mean by the root filesystem is mounted in readonly mode? |
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| 17:43.40 | lapache | Hello, plz how to do the dpkg --get-selection and --set-selection whith aptitude ? |
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| 17:44.03 | jelly | isking: normal behavior for unix and unix-like systems when it detects errors on root fs. It's mounted ro to prevent writing and any further corruption |
| 17:44.18 | cybrNaut | what does this mean? => "d-i iso-scan/bad-isos error" <= that's in the pre-seed file |
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| 17:45.03 | jelly | isking: I guess if you have ilo advanced licence installed, you could boot debian installer or some other linux rescue image |
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| 17:45.42 | jelly | isking: if you have IE, you can use the activex console instead of java, it's actually quite nifty |
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| 17:46.37 | jelly | grml.org is a nice debian-based recovery livecd </ad> |
| 17:46.38 | isking | jelly: haha, IE |
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| 17:47.04 | isking | I will try that though |
| 17:47.21 | jelly | isking: it's more user-friendly than separate java console and separate virtual media (on iLO versions older than iLO4) |
| 17:47.40 | isking | ohh I see |
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| 17:48.59 | Ritzton | on debian wheezy, is it syslog-ng or rsyslog ??? |
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| 17:49.26 | DebianUser56 | Hi isd there any way to downgrade all packages like libc6 back to stable, after I installed a few from the testimg tree |
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| 17:49.34 | jelly | Ritzton: rsyslog by default, but both are available |
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| 17:49.48 | isking | jelly: any way to paste on this console? |
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| 17:50.14 | jelly | isking: if you boot grml, you can configure network and bring sshd up |
| 17:50.29 | jelly | !ops away_ privmsg spam |
| 17:50.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: away_ privmsg spam |
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| 17:50.48 | mtn | DebianUser56: downgrading is not supported |
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| 17:51.20 | Ritzton | jelly> I have never changed it and I do have syslog-ng on my server, why ? |
| 17:51.22 | DebianUser56 | so the only way is to do it manually via dpkg |
| 17:51.37 | mtn | DebianUser56: reinstall most likely |
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| 17:52.18 | jelly | Ritzton: you, or a previous admin, used a non-default installer |
| 17:52.27 | jelly | Ritzton: or made changes you're not aware of |
| 17:54.19 | mark4o | is there a known issue with debian.org dns name servers? |
| 17:54.45 | Ritzton | jelly> I am using a vps, there was not previous admin and if I am doing : "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list -lh" |
| 17:54.51 | Ritzton | I am see the installation date |
| 17:54.59 | Ritzton | and it was there from the beginning |
| 17:55.20 | jelly | Ritzton: you, or a previous admin, or the person who made your VPS image, used a non-default installer |
| 17:55.25 | jelly | happy? |
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| 17:56.11 | Ritzton | jelly> ok well the man who made the vps image, but why did he choose to change the default syslog app ? |
| 17:56.44 | jelly | Ritzton: you'll have to ask your VPS provider |
| 17:57.05 | isking | jelly: IM IN \o/ |
| 17:57.13 | isking | jelly: well, in recovery mode.. what do I do now? |
| 17:57.27 | jelly | isking: probably fsck /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 |
| 17:57.45 | Ritzton | jelly> and about rkhunter saying "Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev: /dev/tty10: ASCII text" and I can see in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf "destination d_console_all { file(`tty10`); };" |
| 17:57.46 | jelly | isking: IF you have working backups? Did I mention backup already? |
| 17:58.02 | isking | jelly: you did, and I don't, but Im gonna go for it anyway :D |
| 17:58.41 | Ritzton | jelly> I was told mkdev is not good that's why he is creating a file instead of a device but I do have default conf |
| 17:58.41 | jelly | Ritzton: that there is a definitely not default configuration! |
| 17:58.57 | isking | jelly: no such file or directory |
| 17:59.00 | jelly | Ritzton: one that perhaps assumes the machine has virtual consoles |
| 17:59.03 | Ritzton | jelly> why is not a default conf ?? |
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| 17:59.29 | jelly | Ritzton: it's not #debian who you should be asking that |
| 17:59.55 | jelly | isking: hm. Which image did you boot? |
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| 18:00.26 | isking | jelly: recovery |
| 18:00.49 | jelly | isking: does "modprobe cciss" work? |
| 18:01.23 | Ritzton | jelly> I am sorry then I don't know what I can ask in #debian... I took a vps with debian wheezy, I have never changed the conf about syslog and I am getting this message with rkhunter... |
| 18:01.33 | isking | jelly: just goes to next line, looks like it worked |
| 18:01.49 | jelly | isking: is there stuff in /dev/cciss now? |
| 18:02.16 | isking | jelly: no such file or directory |
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| 18:02.56 | jelly | Ritzton: oh. Sorry about that. You can safeuly comment out that destination and any references to d_console_all, restart syslog-ng, and delete the file |
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| 18:04.12 | jelly | Ritzton: your VPS provider made some incorrect assumptions that resulted in logging to a file named /dev/tty10 instead of to a device /dev/tty10 that did not exist. |
| 18:04.28 | Ritzton | jelly> well ok I will not have any message with rkhunter anymore, but are you sure it is the right solution ? why /dev/tty10 is a file instead of a device ? |
| 18:04.32 | jelly | isking: huh. is there a /dev/sda2 then? |
| 18:04.58 | isking | jelly: yep |
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| 18:05.12 | jelly | Ritzton: the device did not exist in the first place, because of the way your VPS works or the way it's booted |
| 18:05.31 | jelly | isking: does "blkid" command suggest your filesystem might be there? |
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| 18:06.09 | isking | jelly: doesn't return anything |
| 18:06.14 | isking | jelly: I don't think it's mounted |
| 18:06.48 | jelly | isking: it's not supposed to be mounted, that's fine |
| 18:06.58 | isking | jelly: oh, I see |
| 18:07.09 | isking | jelly: it seems to be in /dev/sda2 though |
| 18:07.59 | jelly | isking: you can try fscking that, then. fsck -C /dev/sda2 (-C will add an ascii progress bar!) |
| 18:08.17 | isking | I love progress bars! |
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| 18:09.00 | acu | I am trying to configure apache to serve django-cms, I run wheezy and I get this error Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) |
| 18:09.02 | jelly | debian's recovery image is rater spartan, that's why I prefer grml |
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| 18:10.13 | isking | jelly: I can't do a - in this stupid french keyboard x.x |
| 18:10.53 | jelly | should have switched (and memorized!) the US layout |
| 18:10.57 | jelly | hides |
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| 18:11.57 | isking | oh shush jelly |
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| 18:12.04 | isking | jelly: how do I switch? |
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| 18:12.22 | jelly | isking: in windows? no idea |
| 18:12.47 | isking | :/ |
| 18:13.08 | jelly | has to go for a while |
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| 18:15.49 | isking | jelly: aw :( |
| 18:15.54 | isking | jelly: I got it though :D thanks a ton! |
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| 18:21.36 | Sbroker | bye |
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| 18:29.08 | Ritzton | jelly> what about this line "@include "`scl-root`/system/tty10.conf"", should it be commented also ? I suppose yes but maybe it is the key why it is not working well because it is not able to find tty10 conf |
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| 18:55.38 | jelly-home | Ritzton: I have no idea what that's about |
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| 18:56.48 | jelly-home | Ritzton: I guess you could see if there's a "scl-root" command, or if "locate system/tty10.conf" finds anything on the installation |
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| 19:12.54 | oskie | hello. is there anything one can do to reduce size of /var/lib/apt/lists without deleting the files? like enabling some compression or whatever in apt |
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| 19:13.27 | oskie | ooh. Acquire::GzipIndexes |
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| 19:17.14 | jhutchins | oskie: Also comment out any repos you don't usually need like src. |
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| 19:19.46 | oskie | hm, true. i don't need src |
| 19:19.55 | oskie | not on this machine anyway |
| 19:22.06 | jhutchins | oskie: If you did you could just turn it on when you needed it and then turn it back off. |
| 19:22.21 | jhutchins | Saves time on updates too. |
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| 19:26.35 | earthian | Hello, I have a problem. Wheezy with backport kernel 3.12 is not booting - I get initramfs busybox prompt and the error is that the UUID if the root disk could not be found. 3.2 on the same system works no problem. What could be the reason? |
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| 19:28.41 | klrr_ | if you want to use a more up-to-date debian , should i go with sid or testing? (if stuff breaks, i can handle it) |
| 19:29.03 | centrx | klrr_, Why do you ask the question then? |
| 19:29.19 | klrr_ | centrx: cause i wonder what the difference between sid and testing is |
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| 19:30.05 | centrx | klrr_, Packages in testing are migrated automatically from sid. The basic criterion is a set period of time with no critical bugs |
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| 19:30.57 | klrr_ | okey |
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| 19:32.09 | centrx | klrr_, Packages uploaded by the maintainer into unstable. |
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| 19:37.10 | oskie | earthian: if it is a config file issue, then i suspect the issue is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:38.28 | neo1691 | Can someone tell me what notification daemon works like this? I want to know the name of the notification daemon running on my i3wm, so that I can use it furthur to notify me for mentions on ttytter or weechat. Here is the scrot, imgur.com/Y88qstA |
| 19:38.40 | lvh | toddpratt: haha |
| 19:38.43 | lvh | Oops. |
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| 19:39.56 | earthian | oskie, but can this be a config issue if initramfs/kernel(?) cannot find the root fs by UUID which is correct and works perfectly with 3.2 kernel? |
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| 19:42.15 | kruug | So, I messed up. I renamed /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so to allow for an upgrade, but now I can't do anything... |
| 19:42.18 | kruug | Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 19:42.46 | kanliot | earthian i had a similar problem after installing win8 |
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| 19:44.09 | earthian | kanliot, what did you do to solve this? |
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| 19:44.39 | earthian | is it possible that the initramfs-tools v.0.115 from backports is bad? I am not using dracut.. |
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| 19:46.20 | kanliot | i had to boot debian properly, (long process) then run update-grub |
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| 19:48.31 | earthian | now I tried without UUID by setting up /etc/default/grub use linux uuid to "no"... now I got an error while booting: ALERT! /dev/sdd1 does not exist. Dropping to shell |
| 19:48.59 | earthian | ls /dev/sdd* does not show sdd1 |
| 19:49.05 | earthian | the root partition is gone? |
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| 19:49.55 | kanliot | calm down |
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| 19:52.00 | brontosaurusrex | is there a way to get specific version of libc6? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libc6 |
| 19:52.02 | kanliot | this is the best way i know to run update-grub properly. im no expert, there may be a better way http://askubuntu.com/questions/145241/how-do-i-run-update-grub-from-a-livecd |
| 19:52.04 | brontosaurusrex | i think i need 2.15 |
| 19:52.08 | kanliot | do it from a wheezy livecd |
| 19:53.07 | centrx | brontosaurusrex, Why? |
| 19:53.08 | kanliot | yeah just do package search? |
| 19:53.21 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, specific closed source app would need it |
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| 19:53.31 | centrx | brontosaurusrex, Which is? |
| 19:53.34 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, 2.13 it to old and 2.18 is seq fault |
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| 19:53.39 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, fadein |
| 19:53.40 | earthian | kanliot, but I can boot the same system, the same hard disk, but with kernel version 3.2... the problem is just 3.12 and I think I found out a possible problem - 3.2 and 3.12 see different names of the device nodes and possibly UUIDs too... |
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| 19:54.27 | kanliot | earthian if that was so everyones grub would be broke |
| 19:54.33 | Brigo | earth, like hda and sda? |
| 19:54.54 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, hmm, actually no, it runs on sid |
| 19:55.01 | brontosaurusrex | dunno then |
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| 19:55.13 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, basically i'd like to run fadein on wheezy |
| 19:55.31 | brontosaurusrex | http://www.fadeinpro.com/ |
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| 19:56.43 | centrx | brontosaurusrex, The Demo from the website only requires libc6 2.7 |
| 19:56.44 | earthian | Brigo, like sdd and sdj |
| 19:57.06 | earthian | how do I find out UUID in the busybox of initramfs? |
| 19:57.17 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, and i can't use the LD_LIBRARY_PATH trick for some reason |
| 19:57.23 | earthian | found it |
| 19:57.37 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, this: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/fadein/x86_64-linux-gnu:/lib /usr/bin/fadein "$@" < seqfaults |
| 19:57.50 | earthian | so UUID is the same in both, 3.12 and 3.2, but somehow 3.12 is not booting - does not find it. hmm |
| 19:57.52 | neo1691 | Okay is there a way to scroll to previous message that I have missed in weechat? Or is it a limitation of xterm? |
| 19:58.18 | brontosaurusrex | where /usr/lib/fadein/x86_64-linux-gnu is the 2.18 i planted |
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| 19:58.32 | centrx | brontosaurusrex, Mixing and matching your libc won't work |
| 19:58.43 | centrx | brontosaurusrex, Why do you think FadeIn needs a newer version libc6? |
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| 19:59.20 | brontosaurusrex | centrx, fadein: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by fadein) |
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| 19:59.53 | kanliot | yeah thats a good reason |
| 19:59.53 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: what does LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/fadein/x86_64-linux-gnu:/lib ldd /usr/bin/fadein say? |
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| 20:00.14 | Brigo | earth, can grub boot? do you see the initramfs booting? |
| 20:00.29 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, 21040 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/fadein/x86_64-linux-gnu:/lib /usr/bin/fadein "$@" |
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| 20:02.02 | kanliot | brontosaurusrex, what version of glibc do you have now?] |
| 20:02.04 | earthian | Brigo, yes. 3.2 kernel is booting OK, 3.12 drops me into busybox of initrd. I think my USB card reader is getting in the way too... possibly 3.12 sees it as sdd but 3.2 sees it elsewhere.. I will try UUID boot again now after update-grub again.. |
| 20:02.16 | brontosaurusrex | kanliot, the one from wheezy 2.13 i think |
| 20:02.33 | Brigo | earth, good luck :-) |
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| 20:02.57 | jelly-home | Brigo: I don't see a ldd in that segfault |
| 20:03.03 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 20:03.08 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: I don't see a ldd in that segfault |
| 20:03.18 | Brigo | :-) |
| 20:03.20 | brontosaurusrex | jelly, ldd? |
| 20:03.21 | centrx | jelly-home, Yeah he didn't run your command. |
| 20:03.25 | RaspPiPuppyLinux | do you guys know if their is a raspian channel? |
| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: did you run my command? |
| 20:03.42 | centrx | RaspPiPuppyLinux, raspbian |
| 20:03.50 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 20:03.51 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:03.58 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, oh, sorry, let me try |
| 20:04.04 | earthian | wow |
| 20:04.15 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, ok, it says: Segmentation fault |
| 20:04.22 | RaspPiPuppyLinux | thanks |
| 20:04.24 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: nothing more? |
| 20:04.25 | RaspPiPuppyLinux | :) |
| 20:04.28 | earthian | now I have problems with 3.2 too... and surprise surprise - the busybox sheel is dracut! :p |
| 20:04.32 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, nope |
| 20:04.51 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: how did you manage to install that thing in /usr/bin? |
| 20:05.09 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, the deb just installs |
| 20:05.22 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, seems like it does miss a check or two i guess |
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| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: on wheezy? Unlikely |
| 20:05.55 | jelly-home | or it's an exceptionally (intentionally?) broken .deb package |
| 20:06.13 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, could be |
| 20:06.16 | earthian | udevd had problems here: failed to execute /sbin/partx ... /dev/sdb: no such file or directory, also same for /dev/sda and then umount /sysroot: no mounted.. dracut cant mount root filesystem... I think I need to reinstall. |
| 20:06.45 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, its one of those apps i just want badly, if you know what i mean ... |
| 20:06.45 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: I'd set up a jessie chroot (with debootstrap, probably) and install and run that thing inside the chroot |
| 20:06.51 | kanliot | brontosaurusrex, you can google how to install glib 2.14 on wheezy |
| 20:06.53 | kanliot | ez |
| 20:06.57 | earthian | livecd -> purge both kernels, grub, dracut and initramfs-tools and then try again |
| 20:07.19 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, yeah, i have that now, but was pain to setup and i'd like an easier way for my other wheezy's |
| 20:07.43 | jelly-home | kanliot: typically we try do avoid suggesting other users to break their systems |
| 20:08.04 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: the only other sane way is to rebuild the thing |
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| 20:08.09 | jelly-home | from source! |
| 20:08.12 | brontosaurusrex | kanliot, yeah, i don't want to upgrade and libc6 upgrade i hear is dangerous |
| 20:08.24 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, yeah, its closed-source |
| 20:08.37 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: ask the vendor to build it for wheezy, then |
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| 20:08.43 | neo1691 | Had somebody replied to my question on scrolling in weechat/xterm? |
| 20:08.46 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, i did |
| 20:09.28 | neo1691 | If I go to do some work, the irc messages and other messages scrolls up and the messages are lost! |
| 20:09.43 | jelly-home | brontosaurusrex: if you end up doing the chroot thing, I think there are helpers for that, schroot maybe |
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| 20:10.50 | brontosaurusrex | jelly-home, ok, thanks. |
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| 20:14.43 | d1z | how can I get in touch with the maintainer of an specific package? |
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| 20:15.28 | centrx | What an annoying nickname |
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| 20:16.16 | d1z | whose? |
| 20:16.21 | centrx | Yours |
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| 20:16.30 | d1z | is madness!!! |
| 20:16.30 | centrx | The 1 looks like an l |
| 20:16.41 | jelly-home | d1z: the control file has a Maintainer: field. dpkg -s installedpackage, or apt-cache show packagename |
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| 20:18.37 | d1z | so an email to d1z address <pkg-roundcube-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> should get me in touch with the maintainers or is that one of the mailing list address |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | d1z: both the options are correct |
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| 20:19.48 | jelly-home | d1z: do you have anything specific in mind or just want to say hello? |
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| 20:21.44 | SURKITZ | I gotta say Wheezy is ACE! Well done on the release :-) thanks |
| 20:21.53 | d1z | I have a problem with the installation of roundcube from those packages. It installs correctly (apparently), but I'm unable to access the roundcube mail interface due to some database connection error, however, I've already tried suggested solutions and debugged both mysql's logs and roundcube's log but I can't seem to solve it. I also tried with postgresql and I'm getting the exact same error so... (originally tried mysql) |
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| 20:23.37 | jelly-home | d1z: I guess you've already read the *.Debian READMEs in /usr/share/doc/roundcube/ |
| 20:24.21 | d1z | jelly-home, indeed |
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| 20:26.02 | d1z | Mar 9 18:13:40 eleetServer roundcube: DB Error: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'roundcube'@'localhost' (using password: YES) in /usr/share/apache2/roundcubemail-0.9.2/program/lib/Roundcube/rcube_db.php on line 154 (GET /mail/) |
| 20:26.11 | cybrNaut | should I remove this from the pre-seed file? => "d-i cdrom-detect/cdrom_device string /dev/sdb1" |
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| 20:26.44 | cybrNaut | the USB stick may not necessarily always be /dev/sdb1 |
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| 20:26.58 | cybrNaut | so it seems wrong to have that in a preseed file |
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| 20:30.36 | brontosaurusrex | heh, well, the 32bit version does work on wheezy .... |
| 20:30.51 | brontosaurusrex | that was one lucky/silly find |
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| 20:32.19 | jelly-home | d1z: does the mysql user table show that user exists? |
| 20:33.36 | welee | we lee pour te servir |
| 20:33.37 | d1z | yes |
| 20:33.44 | Ritzton | jelly-home> do you know what is a virtual console ? |
| 20:33.52 | ompaul | !fr |
| 20:33.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:34.56 | jelly-home | Ritzton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console |
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| 20:37.11 | steven7731 | Am I correct that RAID5 will calculate parity information for each bit? I mean that if a sector(512B, 4096 bits) containing all zeros is written to a drive A and a sector(4096 bits) containing all ones is written to drive B, then sector of ones is written as parity information to drive C? |
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| 20:37.48 | Ritzton | jelly-home> because in syslog-ng conf file, it is saying it is for virtual console the tty conf but I don't know how to use it |
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| 20:39.29 | tensorpudding | What's the package that contains debuild? |
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| 20:41.09 | centrx | tensorpudding, apt-cache search debuild |
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| 20:42.40 | jelly-home | Ritzton: you don't have that vc open at all |
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| 20:43.00 | jelly-home | Ritzton: do you have console access to that machine? |
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| 20:43.18 | Ritzton | jelly-home> what are those vc useful for if I am only connecting to my server through ssh ? |
| 20:43.27 | jelly-home | Ritzton: not much |
| 20:44.16 | jelly-home | on a physical machine, it can be nice to have syslog easy to access on a normally-unused Ctrl-Alt-F8 (in your case, Ctrl-Alt-F10) |
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| 20:44.27 | Ritzton | jelly-home> I do have 6 process running : /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 for example, are they running for nothing ? |
| 20:44.38 | jelly-home | Ritzton: do you have console access to that machine? |
| 20:44.50 | Ritzton | jelly> no I don't it is a vps |
| 20:45.02 | Ritzton | jelly> I have only ssh access with putty |
| 20:45.10 | jelly-home | Ritzton: then they're not used for anything... useful, right |
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| 20:45.41 | Ritzton | jelly> then ? lol I am deciding it |
| 20:45.42 | jelly-home | but even a VPS has some sort of a console in case it fails to boot |
| 20:45.58 | jelly-home | perhaps you don't have access to it |
| 20:46.43 | Ritzton | jelly> you would mean it is for my vps provider ? |
| 20:47.06 | jelly-home | Ritzton: I can only guess. You will have to ask _them_ about console access. |
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| 20:47.42 | Ritzton | jelly> I will :-) I want to know the most possible about the system I am using |
| 20:48.23 | jelly-home | Ritzton: there are lots of details where a vps is just a bit different from a physical machine, or even a different vps type |
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| 20:49.15 | steven7731 | Am I correct that RAID5 will calculate parity information for each bit? I mean that if a sector(512B, 4096 bits) containing all zeros is written to a drive A and a sector(4096 bits) containing all ones is written to drive B, then sector of ones is written as parity information to drive C? |
| 20:49.31 | jelly-home | Ritzton: a fully virtualized kvm, Xen or vmware vps will have some sort of emulated console. A container-style vps based on openvz or lxc might not have it, as far as I know. |
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| 20:49.49 | allanparsons | i'm trying to package a .deb file from source (libmemcached-dev). I run dh_make ok, but when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, i get the error: "dh_install: libmemcached-dev missing files (usr/include/*), aborting". |
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| 20:50.22 | allanparsons | is there a way i can pass params: --prefix=/usr --with-libmemcached-dir=/usr/include/libmemcached ? |
| 20:50.26 | Ritzton | jelly-home> the main difference I believe is about the kernel, on openvz you cannot do anything and on vmware you can |
| 20:50.41 | allanparsons | via dhpkg? |
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| 20:52.46 | cat_pants | Hi folks, my installer is stuck on "Scanning the CD-ROM" during the "Configuring apt" stage. I don't even need to use the cdrom to install, is there anyway to disable it in preseed.cfg? |
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| 21:09.16 | bolt | can sysctl write multiple options at once using a pattern? |
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| 21:10.25 | bolt | like sysctl -w --pattern "^net\.\.ipv6\.conf\.vnet[0-9]+\.some_option" --value 1 |
| 21:10.36 | bolt | i don't see the "value" option i'd need |
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| 21:10.55 | OpenTokix | bolt: no, but you can keep them in a file and use sysctl -p file.settings |
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| 21:12.05 | Dagger2 | or /proc/sys and bash globbing plus a for loop |
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| 21:13.08 | bolt | thanks |
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| 21:23.25 | jhutchins | cat_pants: Sounds like it might be a bad image. Is it the netinstall iso? |
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| 21:28.15 | cat_pants | It's the regular cd iso |
| 21:28.36 | cat_pants | (Also, unsure why the netinstall doesn't support preseeding, it seems like the one you would _want_ to preseed) |
| 21:28.57 | cat_pants | I'll try a fresh image |
| 21:29.48 | OpenTokix | cat_pants: it does support preseeding |
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| 21:30.50 | OpenTokix | cat_pants: but you have to put it in your cdimage, much easier to pxeboot netinstall with preseed |
| 21:33.15 | cat_pants | Ah, that was my issue, I couldn't preseed a netinstall with a file |
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| 21:33.31 | cat_pants | I probably should get a pxeserver going at some point |
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| 21:38.03 | cybrNaut | how can I find what package comes with a file? (mkisofs, in this case). apt-cache search mkisofs comes up empty |
| 21:38.32 | dondelelcaro | !search |
| 21:38.32 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 21:38.45 | dondelelcaro | cybrNaut: see above |
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| 21:39.12 | cybrNaut | ah, apt-file.. |
| 21:39.20 | dondelelcaro | cybrNaut: right, or packages.debian.org |
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| 21:42.50 | cat_pants | Hmm, I tried downloading a fresh version of the testing iso, and it's still stuck on 11% "scanning the cdrom" |
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| 21:43.26 | centrx | dpkg: tell cat_pants about testing installer |
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| 21:44.10 | jhutchins | cat_pants: Are you checking the md5sums of the images before you burn them? |
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| 21:44.59 | cat_pants | Yes, jigdo stated it verified the checksum |
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| 21:45.28 | GoldStandard | just tried debian with xfce, it seemed ugly at first but it has a lot of was you can make it awesome |
| 21:45.50 | GoldStandard | ways* |
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| 21:46.53 | cat_pants | Ok, I had absolutely no clue about the testing installer :| |
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| 21:46.59 | qu | Is anyone using gksu to start an app? |
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| 21:48.39 | cat_pants | So to confirm, if I want to install testing, I _don't_ want to download the iso from here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 21:56.08 | qu | Does shutdown hang, for anyone? |
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| 21:57.11 | Blue1 | qu you mean like windows? nope not for me. |
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| 21:58.45 | cybrNaut | mkisofs is a tricky one. installing rootstrap, debian-cd, and aptoncd isn't good enough |
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| 22:03.08 | eKyNoX | Back ! |
| 22:04.13 | cybrNaut | ah.. mkisofs is another proprietary/GNU naming battle |
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| 22:04.33 | cybrNaut | mkisofs is now genisoimage |
| 22:04.56 | cybrNaut | would be nice if apt-file would have told me that |
| 22:05.52 | Left_Turn | guys i want to install linux on my new laptop and im being warned... is this true... http://bpaste.net/show/t1nym6j9fYNdxM7r6pq1/ |
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| 22:06.10 | Posterdati | Hi! |
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| 22:06.32 | Posterdati | please help, how can I configure a local mail server? |
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| 22:08.32 | Posterdati | is postfix a valid choice? |
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| 22:08.54 | cybrNaut | i added a 50k file to an ISO, and end up with an ISO that's 46MB bigger |
| 22:08.57 | cybrNaut | scratches head |
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| 22:09.09 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: yes |
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| 22:09.34 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: is that a valid tutorial? https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Installing_and_Configuring_Postfix_on_Debian |
| 22:09.36 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: postfix generally works out of the box.. you may not need to do anything special |
| 22:10.32 | cybrNaut | Left_Turn: that paste is just a blank screen it seems |
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| 22:11.11 | Left_Turn | huh? cant you see text cybrNaut ? |
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| 22:12.36 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: i see "reject_rbl_client sbl.spamhaus.org" on that page.. very bad idea. don't trust spamhaus |
| 22:13.00 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: ??? |
| 22:13.27 | cybrNaut | Left_Turn: i see it now.. just had to switch to a text browser |
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| 22:13.58 | Left_Turn | oh |
| 22:13.59 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: spamhaus is a blacklist org.. they try to blacklist bad hosts, but they take it too far |
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| 22:14.11 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: they end up blackballing legit senders |
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| 22:14.59 | cybrNaut | it's also very stupid to block email at the connection level based on IP address.. It's sloppy, because you have no opportunity to analyze the text |
| 22:15.36 | cybrNaut | better to have spamassassin apply a score, which blacklists are used but only to an appropriate weight |
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| 22:16.37 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: ??? What are you talking about? |
| 22:17.03 | cybrNaut | Left_Turn: that's generally correct.. debian is old.. an artifact of being stable |
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| 22:17.56 | centrx | !sns |
| 22:17.56 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:18.06 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: if you don't understand, ask specifically what you don't understand |
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| 22:18.26 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: --> Posterdati: they end up blackballing legit senders |
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| 22:19.42 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: they don't just blacklist known offenders.. many with a dynamic IPs get blacklisted, simply for having a dynamic IP, even if no spam whatsoever comes from the host |
| 22:20.10 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: sorry, I was only asking about postfix... |
| 22:20.24 | cybrNaut | e.g. a residential comcast subscriber can never send to anyone who uses spamhaus |
| 22:20.25 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: ... and about that wiki... |
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| 22:20.53 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: well you asked about the config on that web page, which gives poor advice |
| 22:21.16 | cybrNaut | also note this option on that page => postconf -e "relayhost = [smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com]:587" |
| 22:21.18 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: ok, so? |
| 22:21.49 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: you said Posterdati> cybrNaut: is that a valid tutorial? https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Installing_and_Configuring_Postfix_on_Debian |
| 22:21.59 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: yes... |
| 22:22.06 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: is that valid? |
| 22:22.30 | cybrNaut | what do you mean "valid"? I am pointing out the problems with it.. you decide |
| 22:22.38 | Posterdati | ok |
| 22:22.49 | Posterdati | I mean it is ok for a very basic config? |
| 22:23.18 | cybrNaut | that relayhost option i just pointed out will route all your mail through a 3rd party (sbc in this case) |
| 22:23.26 | Posterdati | I need to configure a small company local email system, intranet confined :) |
| 22:23.40 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: it's more than basic. The out of the box install state is basic |
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| 22:24.13 | cybrNaut | well for a small company, it will probably be okay.. most of the mail will be internal anyway |
| 22:24.56 | cybrNaut | the thing to watch out for is whether the small company is comfortable sharing all outbound mail with a third party |
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| 22:25.05 | cybrNaut | (the relayhost option) |
| 22:25.07 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: no it isn't |
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| 22:25.35 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: does this small company have a corporate service plan, or residential? |
| 22:25.39 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: I won't use the wiki from the anti-spam part on |
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| 22:26.06 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: they haven't got a corporate intranet |
| 22:26.25 | cybrNaut | if the small company is using a business plan, then their IP won't be blacklisted, in which case they should not use a relayhost |
| 22:26.26 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: only 5 computers + a router/modem |
| 22:26.56 | cybrNaut | but if it's a residential plan, they may be given a blacklisted IP, in which case they will need to use a relayhost |
| 22:26.57 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: email system have to be used only internally |
| 22:27.14 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: from pc to pc |
| 22:27.50 | cybrNaut | well for internal mail, these settings are mostly arbitrary anyway |
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| 22:28.27 | cybrNaut | i've never setup a server for internal use (all my mail is external), so i can't advise well on that |
| 22:29.04 | cybrNaut | Posterdati: you can get better guidance in #postfix |
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| 22:30.17 | Posterdati | cybrNaut: thanks |
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| 22:45.52 | cat_pants | How do I upgrade from stable to testing in preseed.cfg? |
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| 22:46.46 | bitfix | hi guys! |
| 22:47.08 | bitfix | i had to change my mainboard, now i am stuck with a system that doesnt boot anymore... |
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| 22:48.04 | jhutchins | cat_pants: You don't. |
| 22:48.05 | bitfix | i have tried wuite a few things, last of which being trying to boot an ubuntu life stick, chrooting into the old system and mkinitramfs-ing a new bootable system, but the version differences between kernels were unsolvable... |
| 22:48.33 | bitfix | any suggestions on how to resolve this issue highly appreciated! |
| 22:48.59 | jhutchins | bitfix: Generally this shouldn't be a problem. What else is invoived? Raid? Crypt? Can you boot to rescue/single user mode? |
| 22:49.54 | jhutchins | bitfix: Yeah, an ubuntu live stick is of course not going to work, Ubuntu is not Debian!!! Use a Debian live stick. |
| 22:50.14 | bitfix | jhutchins: unfortunately i cant boot anything i get nothing but a blinking cursor on a black screen... |
| 22:50.50 | bitfix | grub doesnt work and install-grub and grub-update did not do the trick... |
| 22:51.00 | jhutchins | considers setting up a bot to post "Ubuntu is not Debian" every fifteen minutes... |
| 22:51.14 | leftist | is netboot the same as netinstall with the mini,iso? |
| 22:51.15 | jhutchins | !kms |
| 22:51.15 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:51.18 | bitfix | jhutchins: there is a debian life stick?!? |
| 22:51.18 | cat_pants | Cool, thanks for the help there buddy |
| 22:51.51 | jhutchins | bitfix: Yes, the main Debian images have been hybrid for three releases or so, and there is always the Debian Live project. |
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| 22:52.39 | bitfix | jhutchins: waaaaaht?? that is total news to me! |
| 22:52.39 | bitfix | and i have been wastin my time for two days now with this worthless ubuntu ***** |
| 22:52.41 | jhutchins | cat_pants: You could conceivably preconfigure a testing sources.list and launch an upgrade in a scirpt, but I'm pretty sure that's a Bad Idea. |
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| 22:53.28 | jhutchins | The phrase "worthless ubuntu *****" may contain redundancies... |
| 22:53.35 | cat_pants | My goal is to do a preseeded install of testing |
| 22:54.36 | Dinux | bitfix: can you alter the grub booting options? |
| 22:54.58 | bitfix | jhutchins: heh, two even :D and to answer the wuestion, no raid, no crypt involved in this case... |
| 22:55.08 | cat_pants | Via upgrading from stable, or any other method that exists |
| 22:55.32 | bitfix | Dinux: nope, i get nothing after bios output, just a cursor, grub doesnt even say a single character... |
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| 22:56.16 | Dinux | bitfix: maybe a hardware issue? |
| 22:57.01 | bitfix | Dinux: well as i mentioned above, i had to swap mainboards, so yes, sort of hardware issue... :D |
| 22:57.23 | sammy | should iwconfig be giving me an exit code other than 0 if the command fails? Im trying to set the rate on an ath9k card, and while I get no error from the command, the rate doesn't change. I dont see anything where I should need to try to reconnect first or anything like that. |
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| 22:58.14 | Dinux | bitfix wel clearly a hardware issue of the mainboard doesnt procceed the booting process |
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| 22:59.09 | korkman | when using kernel commandline networking, like for nfsroot or dropbear, what is the proper way to define the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:59.51 | korkman | kernel holds the network device and ifup eth0 states file already exists. ifdown doesn't work either, then. |
| 23:00.20 | bitfix | Dinux: i dare doubt the acurracy of that diganosis, sir: first miraculously windows 8 was still booting, but linux was just gone... |
| 23:00.20 | bitfix | chainloader i guess... |
| 23:00.20 | bitfix | then i made the mistake to execute grub-install and update-grub, ever since then windows is also gone. |
| 23:00.20 | bitfix | so i doubt it is a hardware issue... |
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| 23:00.34 | korkman | only unloading / reloading the network card driver frees the device to use with ifup |
| 23:00.48 | bitfix | oops |
| 23:01.05 | Dinux | bitfix: EFI ? |
| 23:01.25 | bitfix | Dinux: nope, socket 775 mainboard... |
| 23:01.34 | bitfix | genuine predeluvian bios |
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| 23:03.52 | leftist | nevermind i found the netinstall |
| 23:04.15 | bitfix | jhutchins: did you mean life-helper? |
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| 23:05.09 | Dinux | bitfix: UUID in GTD mismatch, just thying ... |
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| 23:05.57 | bitfix | Dinux: GTD...? |
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| 23:06.33 | korkman | ifdown --force eth0; ifup eth0 works nice |
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| 23:07.09 | Dinux | bitfix: partition table stuff |
| 23:07.31 | bitfix | jhutchins: or this one? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/liveusb-install-live-usb-creator/ |
| 23:07.50 | Dinux | bitfix: I mean GPT, sorry |
| 23:09.10 | bitfix | Dinux: after a mainboard swap that would as a matter of fact be possible, but shouldn't that be corrected by update-grub? |
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| 23:10.08 | Dinux | bitfix: yes that _should_ be the case |
| 23:10.26 | bitfix | then i am afraid it is not the issue... |
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| 23:12.39 | Dinux | bitfix: quite the problem |
| 23:12.58 | bitfix | i believe the following is happening: grub starts from the bootsector, but then tries to start a vmlinuz, that cannot communicate with the hardware... |
| 23:12.58 | bitfix | so i believe that mkinitramfs will bring the solution. but i need a linux with a compatible verions of the kernel and it's libraries in order to execute that command successfully. so currently i am recherching about the "numerous" options to create life cds... |
| 23:13.12 | bitfix | jhutchins: seems to be afk undfortunately... |
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| 23:14.21 | Dinux | bitfix: but that should drop you into a ramdisk shell, and that was not happening right? |
| 23:14.48 | bitfix | Dinux: thats a negative... |
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| 23:15.47 | bitfix | Dinux: again, i doubt that, IF the vmlinuz is not able to communicate with the hardware, THEN that abviously drops you precisely nowhere... |
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| 23:16.42 | Dinux | bitfix: but verbose boot should tell you that |
| 23:17.35 | bitfix | dude... |
| 23:17.36 | bitfix | you are totally missing the point; |
| 23:17.36 | bitfix | you cannot choose any verbosity options, if you don't get to choose shit, understand...? :) |
| 23:18.09 | bitfix | i believe i will have a shot at this one: http://live.learnfree.eu/download/ |
| 23:18.18 | Dinux | bitfix: yes already got that point, but my kernel shows the kernel boot logging by default |
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| 23:19.21 | Dinux | and thus any hardware or driver error scrolls over the screen |
| 23:19.29 | Dinux | at least on my systems |
| 23:20.08 | bitfix | Dinux: provided your kernel has a chance to give a feedback, BECAUSE IT IS ABLE TO TALK TO THE HARDWARE, right? :D |
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| 23:20.45 | brady__ | I want daemonize several processes, in that I want to log their stdout, have the ability to start/stop/resart them, et cetera. I am considering eventually using /etc/init.d, but I might like to use something intermediate, for now. Any suggestions? |
| 23:21.38 | bitfix | brady: good ole runlevels...? |
| 23:21.40 | Dinux | bitfix: yess and so should yours, if the kernel wasn't even able to ASSERT the initialization, grub would never have loaded the kernel |
| 23:21.54 | Brigo | brady, do you know nohup? |
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| 23:22.36 | bitfix | Dinux: which is in my estimate exaclty what is happening... seems slowly but surely we are getting there, huh? :) |
| 23:22.44 | brady | Brigo, I am aware of nohup, but I would like slightly more than nohup. |
| 23:22.53 | dokma | I'm in this weird situtation where I cannot get grub to boot my setup on a kimsufi machine but kimsufi's installer, naturally, manages to install a bootable system |
| 23:23.21 | dokma | so I noticed that in kimsufi's grub.cfg root is specified as set root='(mduuid/49ed699c15333f97a4d2adc226fd5302)' |
| 23:23.45 | dokma | as opposed to what I get from debootstrap where I get set root='(vgmain-root)' |
| 23:24.06 | dokma | is this some sort of a substantial difference that could cause grub to fail to boot? |
| 23:24.12 | Brigo | brady, for booting you can use init or launch scripts from /etc/rc.local. I dont know more choices. |
| 23:25.15 | Dinux | bitfix: but building on that thought, grub would be the issue, not linux or the kernel |
| 23:25.55 | bitfix | oh geez... The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath. |
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| 23:26.53 | bitfix | dinux, no, not necessarily... |
| 23:26.53 | bitfix | if the kernel just crashes on the execurion of the first three characters, then you're exaclty there... |
| 23:28.38 | bitfix | as a matter of fact, the cursor jumps down a few lines once, like it usually does and then gests stuck in the upper third o fthe screen for ever... |
| 23:29.26 | Dinux | bitfix: well in that case, recompile the kernel with gdbserver, replace and boot the stuff and you see what the hell is going wrong. IF you realy want to find the problem. otherwise just reinstall |
| 23:29.36 | bitfix | geeez how do you block the spamfuck0rs in here?? |
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| 23:30.27 | bitfix | Dinux: i am basically less interested in a precise error description than more in an actual solution... |
| 23:30.28 | bitfix | reinstall and capitulation not being amongst them... :D |
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| 23:30.48 | bitfix | !report spam |
| 23:31.02 | bitfix | !help |
| 23:31.26 | Dinux | bitfix: solutions are time costly xD |
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| 23:31.46 | bitfix | Dinux: i am painfully aware of that my phriend... |
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| 23:33.34 | Dinux | bitfix: slowly concidering a ........ reinstall? :D |
| 23:34.02 | bitfix | Dinux: as said before... capitulation is not a tool in my toolbox... |
| 23:34.59 | bitfix | this problem can be solved... |
| 23:35.00 | bitfix | and solve it i will! |
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| 23:36.13 | Dinux | bitfix: I always start saying that every time a problem occus |
| 23:36.25 | kdog_away | bitfix: can you/have you booted from a rescue CD, mounted your filesystems and did a grub-install based on your original config? |
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| 23:48.58 | lrussell | Hello. |
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| 23:50.27 | dokma | if I did a dd over ssh from a raid 1 + LVM running setup to a new machine how likely is that copy to boot? |
| 23:50.32 | lrussell | Why should I use Debian over any other distro? |
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| 23:52.07 | dokma | lrussell, I don't use any other distro so I can't compare |
| 23:52.14 | dokma | why would you use any other distro? |
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| 23:52.43 | lrussell | Because I've only used Debian. |
| 23:52.43 | lrussell | :3 |
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| 23:52.59 | lrussell | Debian <3 |
| 23:53.20 | lrussell | I don't know, I just wanted to see what people would say to that. |
| 23:53.34 | nkuttler | lrussell: there's reall no reason to use another distro. i've tried many and disliked them all |
| 23:53.39 | nkuttler | but ymmv |
| 23:53.48 | lrussell | apt-get moo |
| 23:53.51 | lrussell | is why I'm debian |
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| 23:55.01 | ea | How to find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 23:55.23 | lrussell | Like what? |
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| 23:55.31 | mtn | ea: you already got an answer in the other channel |
| 23:55.39 | ea | already got the answer elsewhere - apt-file :) |
| 23:56.37 | kdog | ea: or dpkg -S <path/to/file> |
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| 23:58.57 | ea | kdog, thanks! your answer was the best ;) |
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