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| 00:15.11 | bitfix | kdog: i have so far booted from a ubuntu live usb stick, and i am currently in the process of creating a debain live usb stick |
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| 00:31.03 | Guest45819 | bitfix: how u do that? |
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| 00:31.35 | bitfix | Guest45819: how do i do what, create a live stick? |
| 00:31.51 | Guest45819 | yes |
| 00:31.53 | dvs | !confuse bigfix |
| 00:31.54 | dpkg | No, them was your ferret today, bigfix? Wellies of the Monarchy of Micronesia with extra ham. |
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| 00:32.46 | bitfix | Guest45819: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 00:33.27 | bitfix | dvs: nice one but the name is bit not big :P |
| 00:34.18 | dvs | just off a BIT |
| 00:34.20 | Guest45819 | bitfix: thx |
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| 00:34.35 | bitfix | Guest45819: np |
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| 00:34.56 | ea | hey there, I have a file recovery process running. Is it possible to pause it in order to put the PC to standby without disturbing the work? |
| 00:35.26 | ea | the program is scrounge-ntfs |
| 00:35.40 | centrx | ea, Ctrl-Z will stop a running process |
| 00:35.54 | ea | how would I resume it tomorrow morning? |
| 00:36.25 | centrx | ea, It is conceivable that Ctrl-Z would be unsafe for such a specialized process like file recovery. |
| 00:36.56 | centrx | ea, You can start the process again with "fg" (foreground) to bring it back to the foreground |
| 00:37.07 | centrx | ea, Keep the same terminal open |
| 00:37.12 | ea | centrx, it is a SSD and not in use (not mounted) |
| 00:37.34 | ea | ok I will try.. otherwise would have to start again from 0.. |
| 00:37.37 | ea | thanks! |
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| 00:40.34 | justaguy | lol, "the following other operating systems have been detected on this computer:windows vista" lol @ debian install |
| 00:40.42 | Mousey | D: |
| 00:41.04 | homeboi | ? |
| 00:41.19 | homeboi | he prolly read "the following viruses" |
| 00:41.26 | dvs | looks for the nuke option during the install |
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| 00:52.09 | TomG__ | Can anyone help me with a small question? |
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| 00:52.20 | Mikael__ | TomG__ well :D |
| 00:52.33 | centrx | !ask |
| 00:52.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:52.57 | Mikael__ | TomG__ you can talk for me ˆ^ |
| 00:52.58 | Mikael__ | ˆˆˆ |
| 00:53.20 | TomG__ | Is it alright if my question isn't specifcally about debian? |
| 00:53.51 | centrx | TomG__, You seem very polite, so don't worry about it. |
| 00:54.08 | centrx | TomG__, We may refer you elsewhere. |
| 00:54.49 | dvs | grabs Thor's hammer |
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| 00:55.09 | TomG__ | Alright thanks. Is it true that when the sticky bit is set on a directory, other users cannot delete it? |
| 00:56.16 | Mikael__ | TomG__ what directory ? |
| 00:56.23 | Mikael__ | TomG__ root directory ? |
| 00:56.33 | centrx | TomG__, Yes |
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| 00:57.19 | TomG__ | A root directory I made as a superuser. I have a paste on paste.ubuntu.com if that helps |
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| 00:57.42 | TomG__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7070934/ |
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| 00:58.43 | jgrosman | Hi guys, I didn't have difficulties before, but since I updated Windows 8 (dual boot) I have a problem with Wheezy. Basically, the BIOS do not pass the control to the GRUB. I have an ASUS EFI. Any ideas? Should I do a GRUB partition / use LVM instead of doing it manually. |
| 00:59.01 | centrx | TomG__, Those permissions have -rwx for other users anyway |
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| 00:59.19 | Henry151 | Hey folks, I think there's something wrong with my video card, I'm hoping for some diagnosis help |
| 00:59.33 | centrx | jgrosman, You probably need to "install" grub into the MBR again |
| 01:00.08 | Henry151 | I just installed this operating system on a desktop that was thrown away, so the hardware is all potentially suspect |
| 01:00.11 | TomG__ | "chmod 1700" means other users have no permissions I thought |
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| 01:01.00 | centrx | TomG__, Right, they don't, so the sticky bit is kind of meaningless |
| 01:01.30 | Henry151 | what's going on is that first, I couldn't get youtube videos to play (after purging gnash and installing flashplugin-nonfree) so I tried to play a .MOV file from my camcorder, and neither movieplayer nor VLC will play it |
| 01:01.34 | jgrosman | centrx: ok. it means I insatll it, launch debian-live after installation and make install-grub with weird stuff after? |
| 01:02.20 | Henry151 | it starts playing but it just gives me freeze frames every 20 seconds or so, no smooth video playback |
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| 01:02.36 | Henry151 | any ideas? |
| 01:02.58 | centrx | jgrosman, You need a boot disk, yes, unless Windows 8 knows how to boot into it somehow, in which case you are fine anyway |
| 01:03.30 | centrx | Henry151, What video card do you have, and what drivers do you have installed for it? |
| 01:03.55 | Henry151 | it's a radeon hd3850 |
| 01:04.07 | jgrosman | centrx: so i should create a booting partition during the install? |
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| 01:04.20 | Henry151 | i'm not sure what drivers, this is a fresh install and i haven't changed them, but i'm not sure how to check |
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| 01:06.16 | TomG__ | centrx, So if my user has no permissions for anything but his own directory, why do I still have the ability to delete the other directories? |
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| 01:07.15 | centrx | jgrosman, Don't change the partitions, you don't want to lose access to your filesystems |
| 01:07.43 | jgrosman | centrx: In fact I already erased everything, I'm about to reinstall it. |
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| 01:07.52 | jgrosman | [I've backed up] |
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| 01:08.21 | centrx | TomG__, Which directories can you delete as what user? |
| 01:08.35 | centrx | jgrosman, Okay. Don't install Windows 8 this time :) |
| 01:08.41 | jgrosman | Nope |
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| 01:08.50 | jgrosman | I mean, I'm keeping W8. |
| 01:08.53 | jgrosman | Have to for work. |
| 01:08.59 | jgrosman | Anyway |
| 01:09.03 | centrx | Henry151, Do you have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed? |
| 01:09.06 | jgrosman | see you in 30 minutes I hope ;) |
| 01:09.16 | centrx | Henry151, This is the ordinary open-source X driver for Radeon |
| 01:09.41 | pmahoney | i'm making a custom deb pkg that Provides: mypkg. i have one source package generating mypkg-staging and mypkg-production versions (config embedded; perhaps not best practice, but oh well). both Provides: mypkg. i've built and uploaded to internal repository. apt-get update && apt-cache show mypkg-staging works as expected, however "apt-get install pkgs" shows both of my concrete packages as "Not candidate version". |
| 01:09.42 | pmahoney | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.38 | Henry151 | centrx: appears so. version 1:6.14.4-8 |
| 01:11.06 | TomG__ | As shown by my paste (posted above), user 'tom' somehow is able to delete directories 'foo' and 'bar'. Neither of which are owned by 'tom', and 'tom' has no permissions on these directories |
| 01:12.39 | centrx | Henry151, Okay, you could also try the fglrx driver (non-free, fglrx-legacy-driver for your card) or the catalyst drivers (also non-free Debian package which downloads from the ATI website) |
| 01:13.10 | centrx | pmahoney, Maybe you have pinning enabled in apt, so you are pinned to a certain version? |
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| 01:14.12 | centrx | TomG__, Your paste only shows that the tom directory has the sticky bit. The directories you deleted are not inside the tom directory, they are merely siblings of it. |
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| 01:15.01 | pmahoney | centrx: ug, something like that was it. thanks so much! |
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| 01:16.19 | TomG__ | centrx, Thanks for helping me out, but the command 'sudo chmod 1700 bar foo tom ' gives the sticky bit to all three of the directories, not just 'tom' |
| 01:16.34 | Henry151 | centrx: should I do apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon before doing apt-get install fglrx-driver? |
| 01:16.49 | pmahoney | centrx: our custom repo is pinned at priority -1 (i am not admin on this machine) |
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| 01:18.11 | centrx | TomG__, Who owns the parent files directory? It is the parent directory permissions that determine whether a file can be created, renamed, or deleted. |
| 01:18.21 | centrx | Henry151, I don't know |
| 01:18.25 | centrx | dpkg, tell Henry151 about fglrx |
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| 01:19.00 | Henry151 | thanks |
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| 01:19.24 | centrx | Henry151, Those messages/instructions say "fglrx-driver", but you want "fglrx-legacy-driver" for your card. |
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| 01:22.15 | TomG__ | centrx, Now I understand, I thought the sticky bit affected the directory itself and not the subdirectories. Thank you very much |
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| 01:25.03 | justaguy | my wifi works out of the box on debian, said no one ever |
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| 01:25.26 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:25.47 | ProfOak_ | If I were to install Debian which would you recommend, testing or stable? I don't know much about the difference, but it seems the software in stable isn't the most up-to-date. |
| 01:26.02 | dvs | stable |
| 01:26.24 | centrx | ProfOak_, If you don't know much about Linux/Debian, stick with stable. You can always upgrade later. |
| 01:27.08 | ProfOak_ | centrx: I've been using linux a bit since 2008, I just never used Debian (somehow). I'm just wondering how far behind the packages in stable are compared to testing. |
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| 01:28.26 | centrx | ProfOak_, It varies. Some are from late 2012. Some are from last month (e.g. chrome and firefox) |
| 01:29.06 | centrx | ProfOak_, There is also wheezy-backports, which has a lot of updates in it while keeping your system in version "stable" |
| 01:29.29 | ProfOak_ | centrx: That sounds like what I want. Thank you! (I'm coming from Fedora :p) |
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| 01:30.13 | centrx | ProfOak_, Welcome |
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| 01:34.00 | Henry151 | centrx: thanks |
| 01:34.16 | Henry151 | I'm rebooting now, see you folks shortly, wish me luck |
| 01:34.27 | dvs | we'll never see him again! |
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| 01:35.34 | centrx | L.O.L. |
| 01:35.52 | centrx | dvs, Another user we'll never have to deal with again! |
| 01:36.08 | dvs | !next |
| 01:36.10 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 01:39.17 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 01:40.00 | centrx | I thought our system had failed there for a moment. |
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| 01:42.03 | Henry151 | hello there folks |
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| 01:42.29 | Henry151 | I just installed the fglrx-legacy-drivers and rebooted and now I have a black-screen |
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| 01:43.52 | centrx | Henry151, Do you boot directly into X? |
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| 01:44.15 | Henry151 | centrx: yes |
| 01:45.11 | centrx | Henry151, Might take some tinkering where you don't want to boot into X |
| 01:45.26 | centrx | Henry151, Reconfigure X with X -configure ? |
| 01:45.27 | Henry151 | mhmm |
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| 01:45.49 | Henry151 | how can I stop it from launching straight into x? |
| 01:46.04 | Henry151 | I'm using lilo as a bootloader |
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| 01:46.46 | centrx | Henry151, Okay, later you should probably switch to grub, but anyway |
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| 01:46.59 | centrx | Henry151, Can you switch to a console from the black screen, with Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? |
| 01:47.19 | centrx | Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 01:47.42 | Henry151 | centrx: trying that in a couple moments, computer is rebooting again now. Thanks. |
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| 01:48.42 | Henry151 | nope, ctrl-alt-f1, f2, f3 none do anything from the black screen |
| 01:49.10 | SirLagz | sounds like the issue I had with fglrx. |
| 01:49.14 | SirLagz | Henry151: did you install the drivers from apt ? |
| 01:49.41 | Henry151 | yes, i used aptitude, following directions from the wiki |
| 01:50.00 | Henry151 | i can pull up a link to exactly the directions i followed |
| 01:50.07 | SirLagz | Henry151: what video card do you have ? |
| 01:50.14 | Henry151 | radeon hd3850 |
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| 01:51.27 | Henry151 | I followed these directions: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 01:51.39 | Henry151 | down under "debian wheezy 7.0" |
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| 01:52.09 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, what GPU your trying to install? |
| 01:52.23 | Henry151 | it's a radeon hd3850 |
| 01:53.07 | PhoenixSTF | what is the catalyst version on Debian 7? |
| 01:53.28 | Henry151 | argh |
| 01:53.44 | Henry151 | howbout from lilo, anybody know what I can do to make it boot to a terminal instead of trying to launch x? |
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| 01:54.22 | SirLagz | Henry151: did LILO put in a safe mode selection ? |
| 01:54.47 | Henry151 | it's giving me "Linux" and "LinuxOLD" |
| 01:54.51 | Henry151 | as my two boot choices |
| 01:55.04 | Henry151 | it doesn't even give me choices unless i smash the f-keys as it's booting |
| 01:55.13 | Henry151 | i'm used to grub. |
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| 01:56.00 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, I dont think fglrx is optimized for that old GPU, you might have better luck with RADEON open drivers |
| 01:56.24 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, if you can remove and purge fglrx and install radeon |
| 01:56.27 | mo1991 | can someone tell me how to uninstall grub from the /boot partition. Right now it is installed in the mbr and the /boot partition, so chainloading loads grub twice - from mbr and then from boot before allowing chainloading to win drive |
| 01:56.48 | Henry151 | PhoenixSTF: I was using the open drivers, but I couldn't get video playback to work, so I was trying to switch to fglrx. |
| 01:57.34 | Henry151 | somehow, booting to "LinuxOLD" worked, so now I'm at least able to poke around and see what could be wrong, or switch back to the open drivers or something |
| 01:57.56 | SirLagz | Henry151: first thing. Remove fglrx |
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| 01:58.30 | jgrosman | hmmm. Re |
| 01:58.43 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, HD3000 series are only supported on catalyst 13.1 and below |
| 01:59.15 | SirLagz | Henry151: I'd download the catalyst 13.1 from AMD themselves. But that's just me. |
| 01:59.15 | jgrosman | How to run properly grub-install with EFI / Windos 8 ? |
| 02:00.36 | mo1991 | basically I have chainloading set up in grub - so mbr grub then boots into the /boot grub rather than windows partition. Once I again choose chainloading from grub it does boot to windows. But I don't want to have to go through grub menu twice |
| 02:01.16 | mo1991 | can anyone help me remove grub from /boot partition |
| 02:01.16 | mo1991 | I have /boot as a seperate partition on a usb drive fyi |
| 02:01.21 | Henry151 | SirLagz: any further direction on how to do that? I've never really installed anything in linux that involved anything beyond adding a line to my sources.list and typing "apt-get install" |
| 02:01.22 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, I agree with SirLagz, I have a HD4670 and it only works with catalyst 13.1 |
| 02:01.49 | SirLagz | Henry151: get rid of the current fglrx |
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| 02:02.10 | SirLagz | Henry151: reboot. Go to ATI website, download, and open the install wizard |
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| 02:03.14 | Henry151 | indeed. |
| 02:03.14 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, 1st try and fix your computer to get a CLI |
| 02:03.14 | PhoenixSTF | Henry151, after that it is easy |
| 02:03.14 | Henry151 | Well I'm in a terminal window now |
| 02:03.15 | PhoenixSTF | ok remove and purge fglrx |
| 02:03.15 | Henry151 | apparently when I messed with the video drivers it made a new boot entry in lilo automatically to allow me to revert |
| 02:03.15 | Henry151 | done |
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| 02:03.15 | PhoenixSTF | everything on fglrx |
| 02:03.15 | PhoenixSTF | you have 32 or 64? |
| 02:03.15 | Henry151 | wait do i have to remove AND purge or does the purge command take care of removal as well? |
| 02:03.15 | centrx | SirLagz, Isn't there a Debian package for catalyst that downloads from the ATI website? |
| 02:03.15 | Henry151 | SirLagz: thanks |
| 02:03.15 | Henry151 | PheonixSTF: 32 bit |
| 02:03.16 | centrx | Henry151, remove leaves configuration files, you can't do purge after remove though |
| 02:03.20 | PhoenixSTF | http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86 |
| 02:03.31 | Henry151 | centrx: perfect, I did purge to begin with |
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| 02:03.58 | SirLagz | centrx: not an untouched one as far as I know. |
| 02:03.58 | Henry151 | PhoenixSTF: thank you sir. |
| 02:04.12 | SirLagz | centrx: the apt-getted one does some trickery that I don't particularly like |
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| 02:06.10 | SirLagz | centrx: though the trickery makes it play nice with apt-getted kernel updates |
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| 02:07.49 | Henry151 | here's something funny |
| 02:08.14 | Henry151 | since rebooting with "LinuxOLD" now my mouse is a weird, large square of rainbow colors |
| 02:08.27 | Henry151 | maybe 5 times wider than a normal mouse |
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| 02:08.33 | SirLagz | did you remove fglrx already ? |
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| 02:09.24 | Henry151 | yes, but I haven't rebooted yet |
| 02:09.31 | SirLagz | reboot first |
| 02:09.35 | Henry151 | but it looked like that right upon booting |
| 02:10.03 | Henry151 | so I should be rebooting inbetween removing fglrx and installing the new AMD drivers? |
| 02:10.03 | SirLagz | Henry151: also this is the link for the 13.1 ATI drivers - {HOST.NAME} |
| 02:10.07 | SirLagz | er |
| 02:10.13 | SirLagz | http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86 |
| 02:10.18 | SirLagz | Henry151: yes |
| 02:10.58 | Henry151 | I've downloaded that file and extracted it, it's got a .run file in it, not sure what to do with that |
| 02:11.04 | Henry151 | I'll reboot now, with crossed fingers |
| 02:11.27 | Imperius | chmod +x that file |
| 02:11.37 | Imperius | then simply ./name-ofthefile |
| 02:12.10 | Henry151 | hmm |
| 02:12.14 | Henry151 | thanks Imperius |
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| 02:12.17 | Imperius | after the reboot i mean |
| 02:12.31 | Henry151 | well the reboot isn't going so well somehow |
| 02:12.45 | Henry151 | I've got a bunch of grey lines pulsating across the screen now |
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| 02:13.16 | Henry151 | sort of looks like it's trying to show me the debian desktop background/logo |
| 02:13.21 | Henry151 | but instead it's all chopped up |
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| 02:13.42 | SirLagz | can you ctrl-alt-F1 to a tty ? |
| 02:13.54 | Henry151 | nope |
| 02:14.11 | SirLagz | reboot to LinuxOLD and see if you have the same issue... |
| 02:14.57 | Henry151 | ha. I'm trying now, but here's betting that it will go to our friend the black screen, having reverted to fglrx and no longer having the original xorg open drivers |
| 02:15.49 | Henry151 | cause when I purged fglrx I saw it say "creating new boot option: LinuxOLD" |
| 02:15.54 | Henry151 | or something to that effect |
| 02:16.29 | Henry151 | hm |
| 02:16.37 | Henry151 | LinuxOLD booted me to tty1 |
| 02:16.46 | Henry151 | i'm logged in as root |
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| 02:17.51 | SirLagz | ok. check what /etc/X11/xorg.conf has, make sure it's not trying to use the fglrx driver still |
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| 02:20.10 | Henry151 | SirLagz: there is no xorg.conf, but I made (following the wiki directions) a folder /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and put a file there called 20-fglrx.conf with some lines in it as per the wiki |
| 02:20.19 | SirLagz | ah. in there |
| 02:20.25 | Henry151 | should i remove that file? |
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| 02:20.30 | SirLagz | i'd move that file somewhere else |
| 02:20.37 | SirLagz | or delete it |
| 02:20.38 | SirLagz | either one |
| 02:20.41 | Henry151 | hm. well i deleted it just before asking so there's that one |
| 02:21.04 | SirLagz | haha |
| 02:21.15 | SirLagz | reboot now and see how you go |
| 02:21.18 | Henry151 | now i guess i could chmod +x that file from amd and run it before I reboot again? |
| 02:21.28 | SirLagz | yeah |
| 02:21.29 | SirLagz | sure |
| 02:21.37 | Henry151 | yay fun command line stuff |
| 02:22.10 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 02:23.06 | Imperius | after the instalation of the proprietary drivers i remember there was some command |
| 02:23.13 | Imperius | aticonfig --initial or something |
| 02:24.22 | Henry151 | hmm |
| 02:25.07 | Imperius | was long ago i used ati on linux |
| 02:25.11 | Henry151 | how do I find a file that's in a user's home directory when I'm running as root? i can't seem to find "henry"'s home folder |
| 02:25.21 | Henry151 | thank you Imperius |
| 02:25.49 | SirLagz | Henry151: is /home on a different partition ? |
| 02:25.52 | Imperius | cant u just cd /home/ ? |
| 02:25.53 | Henry151 | ah |
| 02:26.00 | Henry151 | yes |
| 02:26.04 | Henry151 | it's on a different partition |
| 02:26.08 | Henry151 | I forgot about that |
| 02:26.09 | SirLagz | is it mounted ? |
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| 02:26.22 | Henry151 | i'm not sure |
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| 02:26.41 | Henry151 | shortcut: how do I add "henry@debian" to "sudoers" so that i can sudo the chmod +X |
| 02:27.11 | Henry151 | I'm that perfect level of n00b where i know what i want to do I just can't remember how to do it |
| 02:27.12 | Henry151 | :D |
| 02:27.50 | Imperius | su |
| 02:27.54 | Imperius | logs u as root |
| 02:28.09 | dvs | Henry151: Add henry to the sudo group/ |
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| 02:32.19 | un214 | does anybody else think that sudo apt-get remove sudo should warn you you're doing something stupid? |
| 02:32.34 | dvs | heh |
| 02:33.35 | SirLagz | un214: I don't have sudo installed. |
| 02:33.36 | SirLagz | :P |
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| 02:34.07 | un214 | I removed it long ago but it looks like deps for some desktop package put it back |
| 02:34.18 | peterrooney | un214: that's just scary. And correct. |
| 02:34.49 | un214 | user away_ is sending me spam in spanish |
| 02:35.16 | SirLagz | un214: i /ignored away_ |
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| 02:35.49 | un214 | peterronney: not sure what is scary |
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| 02:37.06 | dvs | yay |
| 02:37.14 | Henry151 | well now i'm d***ing around trying to figure out how to add a user to the sudo group and failing and not even sure if that's going to achieve what i want to achieve |
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| 02:37.38 | adh0c | usermod -G sudo username |
| 02:37.41 | un214 | for awhile, my preferred way of elevating to root was with ssh key |
| 02:37.43 | SirLagz | themill: thanks |
| 02:37.55 | SirLagz | un214: so sshing back into the box ? |
| 02:37.59 | un214 | yup |
| 02:38.07 | SirLagz | un214: interesting way |
| 02:38.41 | un214 | these days it's Ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 02:38.57 | Henry151 | when i type ./ amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86_64.run into the terminal from "henry@debian" I get a message "-bash: ./: Is a directory" ... when I remove the space between ./ and the filename, I get "Permission denied" so I'm figuring i need to do sudo ./amdblahblahblah |
| 02:38.58 | SirLagz | for me, it's plain ol' su haha |
| 02:39.16 | SirLagz | Henry151: yes. or sudo -i and then ./amdblahblahblah |
| 02:39.39 | Henry151 | argh now I'm getting "command not found" |
| 02:39.44 | dvs | Henry151: chmod +x amd-driver-installer-... |
| 02:39.45 | Henry151 | not on sudo but on ./filename |
| 02:39.54 | Henry151 | lowercase x there? |
| 02:39.58 | Henry151 | i thought it was upper |
| 02:40.10 | SirLagz | lower |
| 02:40.11 | Imperius | yes lowercase |
| 02:40.16 | Henry151 | aha!! |
| 02:40.17 | Henry151 | thanks |
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| 02:41.25 | Henry151 | ok, now we're moving |
| 02:41.55 | Henry151 | it's asking me if I want to "Install Driver 8.97.100.7 on X.Org 6.9 or later" or if I want to "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package" |
| 02:41.58 | Henry151 | option 1? |
| 02:42.52 | Imperius | i always installed mine that way |
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| 02:43.27 | zykotick9 | Henry151: sidenote, IMO using that amd-driver.run is a BAD idea... |
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| 02:46.34 | Henry151 | zykotick9: do tell? |
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| 02:46.54 | Henry151 | zykotick9: I'm hesitating here at the enter button |
| 02:47.15 | Imperius | probably because u will have to reinstall the driver when new kernel comes up |
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| 02:47.20 | james0r2 | can't get synaptic to play nicely with my theme (elementary). all other apps looks fine including other apps run as root. http://imagebin.org/298429 |
| 02:47.43 | zykotick9 | Henry151: there must be a debian-method for installing ATI... well, best of luck. |
| 02:48.32 | Henry151 | zykotick9: i clicked it now. |
| 02:48.34 | Henry151 | :) |
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| 02:49.20 | Imperius | cant be worse than it was before :) |
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| 02:50.18 | james0r2 | using xfce btw |
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| 02:54.13 | Henry151 | hm |
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| 02:55.15 | Henry151 | i'm getting "a previous install of the fglrx driver has been detected. please uninstall the older version before installing this version" ... i've done apt-get purge fglrx and apt-get autoremove and logged out and back in again and still the same message |
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| 02:55.39 | Henry151 | it says i can run the installer with --force option to overwrite the existing driver, but that it's not recommended |
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| 02:56.15 | Henry151 | doing it. |
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| 02:57.15 | LonelyDanbo | if in reinstalling Debian I just wipe the root folder logical partition, will I still have the old user accounts and file permissions? I noticed when I was on root and tried to copy files to my user's /home folder, my user didn't have permission to access the files. |
| 02:59.06 | Henry151 | it's asking me for an installation path |
| 02:59.48 | Henry151 | and i thought it was already filled in and so i installed it to "/" |
| 02:59.57 | Henry151 | =./ |
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| 03:01.29 | Henry151 | huh: "aticonfig --initial" gives "No supported adapters detected"..... uh-oh |
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| 03:03.24 | Imperius | seems like your card is no longer supported with this driver |
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| 03:04.27 | Henry151 | fml |
| 03:05.15 | Imperius | try |
| 03:05.19 | Imperius | aticonfig --initial -f |
| 03:05.29 | Imperius | see if it shows this again |
| 03:05.34 | Henry151 | upon rebooting, it started up X and I'm in gnome now |
| 03:05.43 | Imperius | nvm then |
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| 03:06.41 | Henry151 | now I'm trying to play videos, still getting the same issue---glitchy, frozen playback, jumping from one frame to a frame 20 seconds later |
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| 03:07.04 | Henry151 | back to the drawing board |
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| 03:08.31 | Imperius | try setting the sliders to performance "in the ati driver configuration" and enable vertical sync |
| 03:08.36 | shellox | is anyone using the puppetlabs apache module here? |
| 03:08.46 | shellox | I was wondering how i enable mod_actions with it |
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| 03:09.48 | unkmar | I'm using lxde and lockscreen stops working. I mean stops! It works a few times after a reboot, and then just stops. |
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| 03:12.39 | Henry151 | what would be the proper path for installing the amd catalyst driver? |
| 03:14.04 | Imperius | no clue.. i used to install mine from X and it was similar to windows next , next next finish |
| 03:14.13 | Henry151 | hmm |
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| 03:14.53 | unkmar | let me rephrase it. My screensaver crashes |
| 03:15.03 | Henry151 | i'm "next"ing my way through but I'm stuck because at enter installation path it is only populated with a "/" |
| 03:15.29 | Imperius | you want to install them again ? |
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| 03:18.30 | Henry151 | well, I'm thinking that perhaps they're not working because they're installed in the wrong path |
| 03:19.00 | Imperius | uninstall them first |
| 03:19.17 | Imperius | then you can try the distribution specific option |
| 03:20.47 | Imperius | but like you said before, with the last driver you had playback issues... and now with this one too i'm guessing some configuration is needed... |
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| 03:21.46 | Henry151 | hmm |
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| 03:22.03 | Henry151 | i wonder how I can uninstall this amd driver thing |
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| 03:22.26 | Imperius | ./nameofthefile --uninstall |
| 03:22.34 | Imperius | if im remembering correctly |
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| 03:22.56 | Imperius | the same .run file you used to install it |
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| 03:31.32 | Henry151 | guys I think I found my issue |
| 03:31.33 | Henry151 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=710754 |
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| 03:38.50 | centrx | Henry151, woops! |
| 03:38.57 | Aether | does anyone know how i can force any new files created through a smb server to have a specific owner/group? (not root...) |
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| 03:39.25 | Henry151 | I haven't been able to fix it yet but i'm trying' |
| 03:39.39 | WilliamDotSU | force group = storage |
| 03:39.39 | WilliamDotSU | force user = storage |
| 03:39.41 | WilliamDotSU | aegis |
| 03:39.43 | WilliamDotSU | eh Aeiri |
| 03:39.48 | WilliamDotSU | pf Aether |
| 03:39.54 | aegis | yes? |
| 03:39.55 | Aether | really?, thanks WilliamDotSU |
| 03:40.02 | WilliamDotSU | nvm aegis |
| 03:40.54 | Imperius | Henry151: have you tried changing the video output in vlc ? |
| 03:41.06 | Henry151 | yep |
| 03:41.12 | Henry151 | no luck so far |
| 03:41.19 | Henry151 | still all glitchy |
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| 03:48.16 | Imperius | do you get the same choppiness while watching youtube on HD ? |
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| 03:52.44 | centrx | Henry151, You could use mplayer |
| 03:53.11 | n0man | So, I've got a fresh install of 7.4, and build-essential installed, and I cannot compile "hello, world". |
| 03:53.24 | n0man | The error is "unknown type name ‘__mbstate_t’" |
| 03:53.47 | n0man | Is there something else I need to do in order for gcc to be able to work? |
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| 03:57.01 | n0man | http://pastie.org/private/uigcbpelf6tp91gmne4sqa |
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| 04:02.32 | homeboi | al, they are started again inmediately by, let me make an emphasis here, UNKNOWN ANNOYING PROCESS. And it happens so fast that I don't even have the chance to delete the iredadmin user since it has a process running. My cry for help is, how can I find out whatever it is that's starting this process? |
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| 04:26.40 | peterrooney | homeboi: ps -ef f | pager |
| 04:30.12 | homeboi | peterrooney, nice command thanks, but I already solved the problem. I restarted apache and iredmail/iredadmin was never to be seen again on the server |
| 04:30.18 | homeboi | and I hope they die |
| 04:30.39 | homeboi | all of the developers of that pos bloatware scriptfest pos that iredmail is |
| 04:30.45 | homeboi | thank you and goodnight |
| 04:30.48 | homeboi | <3 |
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| 04:31.32 | Axioplase | Hi |
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| 04:48.20 | LonelyDanbo | I need nonfree unrar, but enabling the non-free option in the repositories setting is not showing me unrar, and manually trying to sudo apt-get install unrar doesn't work either. |
| 04:49.38 | LonelyDanbo | "Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package." "E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate" |
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| 04:49.57 | zykotick9 | LonelyDanbo: isn't it unrar-nonfree or something? try "apt-cache search ^unrar" perhaps? |
| 04:50.12 | LonelyDanbo | I dunno, but nothing's listed in SPM. |
| 04:50.23 | LonelyDanbo | I'll try that though, thanks. |
| 04:50.49 | LonelyDanbo | nope. just the unrar-free. |
| 04:51.20 | LonelyDanbo | Maybe I'm not enabling the non-free option properly. do I have to like rebuild something? |
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| 04:52.05 | zykotick9 | LonelyDanbo: "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" after making the change |
| 04:52.43 | LonelyDanbo | thanks. I should know that. (should) |
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| 04:53.44 | LonelyDanbo | thanks, working. |
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| 05:00.11 | seoneal7 | There. That's better. |
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| 05:47.12 | prem | hi all |
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| 05:47.23 | prem | how can i block cdrom from mounting in debian |
| 05:47.28 | FuuqUmiist | wtf man |
| 05:47.36 | prem | i tried blacklisting "cdrom" and sr_mod" modules |
| 05:47.40 | prem | but it still loads |
| 05:48.26 | FuuqUmiist | why is themmill a fucking asshole just banning people randomly? |
| 05:48.33 | FuuqUmiist | i was trying to help someone here and he bans me |
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| 05:49.04 | dotDeb | how much stabler is debian than ubuntu? |
| 05:49.38 | FuuqUmiist | this dude http://www.nanonanonano.net/aboutme/ |
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| 05:50.21 | dotDeb | wat |
| 05:50.32 | FuuqUmiist | nevermind |
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| 05:50.50 | dotDeb | @themill nice |
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| 05:53.28 | WilliamDotSU | mhm |
| 05:53.32 | anonnumberanon | >not listening to bad feedback |
| 05:53.35 | WilliamDotSU | anyone used ebtables more than me before? |
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| 05:53.41 | WilliamDotSU | need to block UDP on a KVM device |
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| 05:53.53 | WilliamDotSU | so either on the vnet device or on the bridge based by MAC or IP of the VM |
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| 05:55.09 | baudtack | question, how do i tell what wireless protocol my card is using in debian? |
| 05:55.21 | mo1991 | dotDeb - imo ubuntu is basically on par with debian testing. |
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| 05:55.43 | mo1991 | so not very stable |
| 05:55.48 | wols_ | baudtack: check what speeds you see? |
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| 05:56.15 | dotDeb | mo1991 so ?/10 for ubuntu and ?/10 for debian stable? |
| 05:56.17 | wols_ | baudtack: there are only 4 possibilities, with very different speeds |
| 05:56.33 | baudtack | wols_: hrm. well i hand an old g router and just replace it with one that does n and not getting any different speeds from speedtest.net |
| 05:56.55 | wols_ | baudtack: you sure it's not your internet link that is the limit? |
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| 05:56.57 | mo1991 | dotDeb 6/10 ubuntu - 8/10 ubuntu LTS - 10/10 debian stable |
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| 05:57.07 | wols_ | mo1991: what speed is your internet connection? |
| 05:57.08 | baudtack | wols_: yes. wired gets twice the down speed of wifi |
| 05:57.18 | dotDeb | mo1991 oh wow, would anything else get the 10/10 award from you? |
| 05:57.52 | wols_ | baudtack: by default it always takes the fastest speed. try to measure speeds to a (wired) machine on your LAN |
| 05:58.12 | mo1991 | dotDeb - no. debian is by far the most stable os I've used. Perhaps redhat enterprise is comparable - but that has much less features |
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| 05:58.55 | dotDeb | mo1991 wow! what DE do you use? |
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| 05:59.12 | mo1991 | wols - cable |
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| 05:59.25 | mo1991 | xfce 4.10 |
| 05:59.26 | krsnan_ | hello all, I work in deian and have some doubts regarding packages. |
| 05:59.33 | krsnan_ | shall i proceed with my query.. |
| 05:59.34 | mo1991 | dotDeb above |
| 05:59.36 | dotDeb | mo1991 4.10? isn't that in testing? |
| 06:00.26 | rjsalts | krsnan_: how will we know anything if you don't ask? |
| 06:00.33 | krsnan_ | I am looking for package, which shall encrypt/decrypt a file system on write/read of a file on the fly. |
| 06:00.35 | mo1991 | yes - it is the one set of packages I use that are not in debian "stable" as I run 4 monitor setup with 4 keyboards, etc - and xfce 4.10 handles that better. The 4.10 packages I use are actually from siduction. |
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| 06:00.41 | mo1991 | dotDeb above |
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| 06:00.47 | wols_ | krsnan_: crystal balls and telepathy |
| 06:01.31 | dotDeb | mo1991 will i need it if I have one external monitor? |
| 06:02.04 | mo1991 | no 4.8 is pretty much exactly the same |
| 06:02.19 | dotDeb | mo1991 ok cool |
| 06:02.54 | mo1991 | dotDeb - btw nothing is perfectly stable on all hardware, etc - but I have used a fair number of linuxes over the years - and debian stable is by far the most stable |
| 06:02.59 | jelly-home | krsnan_: don't most encryption setups work like that, block-device based like LUKS / cryptsetup, or file-based like encfs or ecryptfs |
| 06:03.04 | dotDeb | mo1991 cool |
| 06:03.07 | mo1991 | I think that pretty much everyone in the linux community would agree with that |
| 06:03.28 | rjsalts | dpkg: tell krsnan_ about encryption |
| 06:03.49 | dotDeb | random other question, but are there any licenses (not open source) that don't require source code disclosure, but permit Freedom 2? (Freedom to distribute copies) |
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| 06:04.07 | dotDeb | and by that I mean generic licenses |
| 06:04.13 | dotDeb | i know some firmware is licensed that way |
| 06:04.20 | dotDeb | but i don't think the licenses are publically available |
| 06:04.24 | dotDeb | publicly* |
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| 06:04.32 | dotDeb | for reuse |
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| 06:06.05 | krsnan_ | I try to test when ever a write / read occurs on a file system, I need to detect that signal and want my function or my logic to work.In that case What do i need to do.? |
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| 06:07.23 | WilliamDotSU | wols_: there are some more standards... |
| 06:07.37 | WilliamDotSU | A/B/G/N/N bonded/A bonded/A+N bonded/BG mix |
| 06:07.40 | WilliamDotSU | and some more |
| 06:07.56 | WilliamDotSU | also G with B fallback |
| 06:08.06 | WilliamDotSU | and N with G fallback, but thats not used in europe |
| 06:08.09 | WilliamDotSU | or the US |
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| 06:13.00 | LonelyDanbo | Someone in here was telling me not to mess with WINE other than off the official package, but the WineHQ wiki says Debian's packages are very out of date and they suggest using other repositories. |
| 06:14.47 | krsnan_ | any suggestion for my doubt.. |
| 06:16.24 | SirLagz | LonelyDanbo: depends on where you're installing it from. Stable ? Testing ? Unstable ? |
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| 06:20.26 | LonelyDanbo | SirLagz, I think it says unstable, but isn't that just relative to Debian? |
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| 06:21.06 | SirLagz | yes. If it were me, I'd just apt-get it |
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| 06:23.16 | LonelyDanbo | as a newb, I started following instructions to install a newer version, and of course I don't know what I'm doing and it failed, so now I'm not sure whether I should continue or go back. |
| 06:23.30 | SirLagz | I'd go back and just apt-get install wine |
| 06:23.42 | SirLagz | my policy is always try apt-getting things first before going upstream |
| 06:23.46 | LonelyDanbo | I don't think I got to a point where I changed anything though. |
| 06:23.47 | SirLagz | causes less issues normally |
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| 06:24.10 | LonelyDanbo | also, not sure how difficult it would be for me to reinstall Debian. |
| 06:24.30 | SirLagz | reinstalling Debian is fairly easy if you haven't done much to it |
| 06:24.38 | LonelyDanbo | like, can I keep my documents files but delete all the settings files and whatnot? |
| 06:24.53 | SirLagz | LonelyDanbo: depends on how you've partitioned the hard drive |
| 06:24.55 | LonelyDanbo | I made a separate root folder from /home, etc. |
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| 06:25.23 | SirLagz | then that's easily done. just reinstall Debian to the / partition |
| 06:25.31 | LonelyDanbo | If I just redo the root folder logical partition, will that be enough to reset Debian? |
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| 06:25.52 | SirLagz | "yes" |
| 06:26.12 | LonelyDanbo | ok. I was just worried that either 1) old settings from non-root folders would mess things up, or 2) I wouldn't be able to get access to the text files I had saved with all the notes I had made during installation. |
| 06:26.18 | LonelyDanbo | Ok, thanks. :) |
| 06:26.39 | krsnan_ | does dmcrypt / encryptfs is specific to ext3 /ext4 or shall be applied to any type of file system? |
| 06:26.48 | krsnan_ | say NFS |
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| 06:30.18 | spinningcompass | krsnan_: It encrypts the whole volume (think 'LVM' but with crypto instead). Then you format & mount a filesystem on /dev/mapper/{crypto device} |
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| 06:30.55 | spinningcompass | krsnan_: You're welcome to make the mounted folder available to other users via nfs. They won't know that the drive is encrypted. |
| 06:31.05 | LonelyDanbo | uhg. I wanted to setup crypto on my installation, but with a 1TB HDD, I never saw it reach 1% of the process so I had no idea how long it would take. |
| 06:31.58 | spinningcompass | LonelyDanbo: You'll only have to do it once. :) |
| 06:32.26 | LonelyDanbo | yeah, but what do I do without a computer while it's doing that? maybe if it could finish while I was sleeping, but who knows how long it takes. |
| 06:32.36 | spinningcompass | LonelyDanbo: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/the-best-file-encryption-software-in-open-source |
| 06:32.58 | spinningcompass | LonelyDanbo: It's an overnight job... but if your data is worth encrypting, it's worth the one-time price of sitting around & waiting. |
| 06:33.36 | bullgard4 | From: Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>: "We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress <foo>." What is »listmail«? |
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| 06:38.40 | emss | bullgard4 mail from the list(s) you are subscribed to? |
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| 06:40.35 | krsnan_ | ok.thanks.Say I creat a raw image and mounted as a loop device.can it be encrypted by dmcrypt/encryptFS? |
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| 06:40.50 | bullgard4 | It is an unsatisfactory state of affairs if someone responds to a question with another question. |
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| 06:42.00 | paddy | bullgard4: the mailing lists at lists.debian.org produce listmail when you subscribe to it |
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| 06:42.52 | bullgard4 | paddy: And what do they produce there which you call "listmail"? |
| 06:43.53 | paddy | bullgard4: people can address a central mail address with their questions and answers and these are then send out to all people who subscribed to it |
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| 06:44.25 | bullgard4 | paddy: Thank you. |
| 06:44.32 | paddy | bullgard4: welcome |
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| 06:46.46 | paddy | totally unrelated but still fascinating to me is - why custom kernels and kernels like liquorix fail regarding their header packages, so that virtualbox-dkms e.g. can not build their module? |
| 06:46.58 | mo1991 | wireshark shows my internal ip continuously pinging 172.16.209.1 and 192.168.69.1 Protocal ICMP and Info "echo (ping)"...... Can anyone help me determining what is doing this? |
| 06:47.11 | paddy | i tried both, "make deb" and "make-kpkg" |
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| 06:51.27 | paddy | mo1991: have you tried netstat already? |
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| 06:52.27 | mo1991 | paddy, yes I have . not showing anything |
| 06:52.54 | mo1991 | strange it's only sending outgoing packets to these two addresses. Echoing ping requests it seems??? |
| 06:53.35 | LonelyDanbo | how do I search for things? I always waste most of my time trying to get the right info instead of reading the info I need to get. |
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| 06:53.51 | LonelyDanbo | like why there's no graphics card listed in WINE's graphics tab. |
| 06:54.39 | LonelyDanbo | I have never been able to learn web search speak. it's an alien language. |
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| 06:55.18 | LonelyDanbo | "please finger my bottom while I rub your tummy, you overweight cow." |
| 06:55.36 | LonelyDanbo | (... paraphrasing that Monty Python sketch) |
| 06:56.00 | LonelyDanbo | (with the guy selling bogus translation books) |
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| 07:01.15 | LonelyDanbo | aw great. It looks like it's a problem with an old version of WINE, according to some old 2012 forum post. |
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| 07:01.36 | LonelyDanbo | wow. 1.5.4 has been around for almost 2 years. |
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| 07:02.00 | LonelyDanbo | whatever. I'll power ahead and try to update WINE. |
| 07:02.27 | LonelyDanbo | what a useless piece of crap I am. wasting hours on this nonsense. |
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| 07:07.35 | paddy | mo1991: are you still looking? |
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| 07:08.12 | paddy | maybe answer 1 on this post is of some use: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10996242/how-to-get-the-pid-of-a-process-that-is-listening-on-a-certain-port-programmatic |
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| 07:09.05 | krsnan_ | paddy: to know the port no. used by a process, use lsof command. lsof -i:PortNo |
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| 07:10.15 | paddy | not the port of a process but the process of an IP |
| 07:10.57 | paddy | we try to identify what is causing certain traffic |
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| 07:12.16 | mo1991 | paddy sorry was away for a sec |
| 07:12.26 | paddy | no problemo |
| 07:13.41 | mo1991 | what netstat command should I be using? |
| 07:13.54 | mo1991 | netstat -pan doesn't show anything |
| 07:14.02 | LonelyDanbo | hah. I'm such an idiot. I downloaded the 64bit WINE packages without reading that it's for emulating 64bit Windows. :P |
| 07:14.14 | LonelyDanbo | blathers on like an idiot to no one. |
| 07:14.44 | SirLagz | mo1991: you want netstat -pane |
| 07:15.11 | jelly-home | !comfort LonelyDanbo |
| 07:15.11 | dpkg | There, there, LonelyDanbo. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:15.31 | LonelyDanbo | heheh. moment of brevity. |
| 07:15.33 | SirLagz | lol |
| 07:15.38 | paddy | finally, me stupid: add "--program" to netstat |
| 07:16.17 | paddy | but yeah, parsing /proc nanually is also fun :+) |
| 07:16.25 | SirLagz | -p is the same as --program |
| 07:16.29 | SirLagz | just a fyi |
| 07:16.42 | paddy | aha |
| 07:18.32 | mo1991 | very weird - still only seeing outgoing ICMP traffic to those two IP addresses. over and over every second |
| 07:19.55 | paddy | maybe ask on the wireshark mailing list |
| 07:20.02 | SirLagz | mo1991: what are you doing ? |
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| 07:20.26 | mo1991 | SirLagsz - only on irc?? |
| 07:20.52 | SirLagz | mo1991: sorry, I meant why is that weird. why are you looking at outgoing icmp traffic ? |
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| 07:22.26 | mo1991 | SirLagz - I'm just look at it every so often if I notice my internet sending / receiving for no reason. Often times is web scrapers, etc - aka scripts, but I've never seen this before, where I'm sending pings apparently without any requests to send pings |
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| 07:22.35 | SirLagz | mo1991: ah i see |
| 07:23.32 | mo1991 | normally I can figure out what is doing it - Mainly I do this just to learn. But it does annoy me when I have no idea why I am sending icmp info out to two unknown IP addresses |
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| 07:23.41 | SirLagz | haha |
| 07:23.45 | SirLagz | yeah I know what you mean |
| 07:24.08 | wols_ | mo1991: what IPs are these? tried to find out what kind of ICMP messages these are? |
| 07:25.17 | mo1991 | wols 172.16.209.1 and 192.168.69.1 - messages are 98 echo (ping) request |
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| 07:25.57 | jelly-home | mo1991: do you have any virtualization going on on the machine |
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| 07:26.34 | mo1991 | jelly-home I have vmware and virtualbox installed, but not running |
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| 07:26.54 | jelly-home | those rfc1918 addresses remind me of vbox for some reason |
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| 07:27.58 | mo1991 | its litterly sending a ping to each address about 2 / sec |
| 07:28.04 | paddy | interesting, cause i had this situation too lately. i just gave up (too quickly) |
| 07:28.26 | paddy | my router was running inside a virtual machine |
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| 07:30.14 | SirLagz | paddy: that's what I'm moving to heh. Running a pfSense VM to be my router soon |
| 07:30.20 | SirLagz | getting rid of my physical linux box router |
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| 07:31.22 | mo1991 | I"m going to reboot to see if they stop. Annoying |
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| 07:31.54 | paddy | hold on |
| 07:32.03 | mo1991 | ok |
| 07:32.11 | paddy | try stopping the vmware/virtualbox stop first if that helps |
| 07:32.21 | paddy | stop/stuff |
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| 07:34.36 | mo1991 | stopped virtualbox kernel modules. still sending pings :( |
| 07:34.58 | SirLagz | mo1991: vmware as well ? |
| 07:35.03 | LonelyDanbo | gdebi libwine-* is getting me "This package is uninstallable" "Dependency is not satisfiable: libwine-unstable (= 1.7.11-0.1)" |
| 07:35.18 | LonelyDanbo | following instructions from http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 07:36.15 | mo1991 | SirLagz - I stopped the vmware USBArbitrator |
| 07:36.25 | mo1991 | I think |
| 07:36.33 | LonelyDanbo | oh hold up. I should read more of those notes from where I downloaded those packages... |
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| 07:37.37 | LonelyDanbo | "Missing dependencies can be resolved with either apt-get -f install or aptitude -f instsall" but I'm supposed to be using gdebi to install them because of some complex order of installation issue. |
| 07:37.58 | SirLagz | mo1991: IIRC vmware also has some other services. |
| 07:38.10 | mo1991 | SirLagz -how do I show a list of services running? I think there may be some vmware kernel modules that I'm not sure how to stop |
| 07:38.10 | LonelyDanbo | and the instructions should have mentioned if gdebi needed commands to do equivalent -f options. |
| 07:38.20 | SirLagz | mo1991: check /etc/init.d |
| 07:38.25 | mo1991 | I don't see them in /etc/init.d |
| 07:38.39 | SirLagz | check ps aux ? |
| 07:39.04 | LonelyDanbo | "The dpkg command can also be used to install the deb packages, but it does not install the dependencies automatically. gdebi does this." |
| 07:39.31 | mo1991 | SirLagz - ok I've stopped the vmware workstation server |
| 07:39.35 | mo1991 | still pinging away |
| 07:40.01 | LonelyDanbo | "The packages must be installed with dpkg -i as root" but isn't typing "sudo gdebi libwine-*" good enough? |
| 07:40.13 | paddy | maybe dhcp related stuff |
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| 07:41.59 | ashmew2 | Hi. I recently upgraded to testing from wheezy for the fun of it :P I want to go back to wheezy. I've already updated my sources.list from testing to wheezy. What should I do now? |
| 07:42.09 | mo1991 | it's definitely never done this before - |
| 07:42.16 | LonelyDanbo | uhg. why is this updated to WINE unstable 1.7.11 in 2014? I just wanted to get above Debian's horribly outdated version. |
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| 07:43.23 | LonelyDanbo | WinHQ says... 1.6.2 is the latest stable release. but where can I get that? :| |
| 07:43.24 | paddy | LonelyDanbo: because of 42 |
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| 07:43.52 | LonelyDanbo | 42? |
| 07:43.57 | paddy | yeah |
| 07:44.14 | LonelyDanbo | is that like 23? |
| 07:44.23 | paddy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_%28number%29 |
| 07:45.00 | paddy | and no, not a conspiracy |
| 07:45.08 | LonelyDanbo | ... that's strange. I've heard that before and I forgot that was the answer. |
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| 07:45.48 | paddy | LonelyDanbo: do you have a chance to multi boot? |
| 07:45.57 | LonelyDanbo | no. |
| 07:46.09 | LonelyDanbo | I mean I could theoretically change things. |
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| 07:46.54 | LonelyDanbo | I'm trying to avoid Windows, and I'm a little paranoid about pirating these days. (the terrorists have won. through fear they have bent my will. and by terrorists I mean NSA) |
| 07:46.57 | mo1991 | paddy - any other ideas before I just do a reboot? |
| 07:47.31 | ashmew2 | Hello |
| 07:48.10 | paddy | mo1991: hmmm, not really |
| 07:48.28 | mo1991 | installing conntrack to see if that shows me anything |
| 07:48.53 | paddy | LonelyDanbo: i was not implying to install windows, but a second linux like SteamOS which is aimed more for gaming that debian |
| 07:49.04 | LonelyDanbo | oh. |
| 07:49.09 | LonelyDanbo | I didn't think of that. |
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| 07:49.33 | paddy | sorry about my typing, it sucks today |
| 07:49.56 | LonelyDanbo | Maybe I should ditch Debian completely. I just wanted a safe desktop. |
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| 07:50.19 | paddy | yes, 1 install with debian for solid and save work and another for fun stuff |
| 07:50.20 | LonelyDanbo | that I could game and watch streaming videos and do programming and 3D modeling and such. |
| 07:50.50 | paddy | yeah |
| 07:50.52 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo i believe you could do all that on debian |
| 07:51.04 | LonelyDanbo | except gaming. |
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| 07:51.33 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo steam for linux? |
| 07:51.43 | paddy | no, Steam OS |
| 07:51.56 | dotDeb | paddy no, i'm saying why not just use debian and steam for linux? |
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| 07:52.12 | LonelyDanbo | I need WINE. |
| 07:52.37 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo also available on debian |
| 07:52.44 | ashmew2 | There's a libc dependency issue with steam on Debian |
| 07:52.51 | dotDeb | i do all the things you listed except 3D modeling |
| 07:52.55 | dotDeb | ashmew2 orly? |
| 07:52.56 | LonelyDanbo | but only a horribly old version that doesn't work and trying to get the latest version is a nightmare. |
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| 07:53.16 | ashmew2 | dotDeb: yeah :) , I downloaded the deb from steampowered.com and it has an issue with libc6 dependency |
| 07:53.41 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo well, there's always debian testing |
| 07:54.03 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo you could just get wine from that repo if you wanted to use debian stable for everything else though |
| 07:54.12 | LonelyDanbo | how do I do that? |
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| 07:54.47 | dotDeb | ashmew2 did you install libc6? |
| 07:54.58 | paddy | if you use debian testing you give up what qualfies debian to be your choice, right? |
| 07:54.59 | LonelyDanbo | oh I found a link to install Wine 1.6.2 on Debian Weezy. (I... think that's mine.) |
| 07:55.14 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo i believe you could just add the testing repo to your sources and the install wine, then remove the repo |
| 07:55.16 | fireblood | Hi. I was recently playing a game on my computer. Then when i quited the game the GUI was set to a wrong resolution. Everything was zoomed inwards. Then i tried to change the display resolution settings in the systems settings to my previous settings. And The screen went black and would not trespond. And when i restarted the computer the resolution settings was still the same. What should i do? |
| 07:55.21 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo yes that's yours |
| 07:55.36 | dotDeb | paddy he's only using it on one package |
| 07:55.41 | LonelyDanbo | ah. it's what you were talking about. |
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| 07:55.55 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo link? |
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| 07:56.19 | kj4 | hello |
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| 07:56.32 | dotDeb | kj4 hi |
| 07:56.34 | LonelyDanbo | http://browse-tutorials.com/snippet/install-wine-162-debian-weezy |
| 07:57.05 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo yea that's basically my instructions |
| 07:57.21 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo removing the repo after you install would probably be a good idea otherwise it will try to update everything to testing |
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| 07:57.47 | LonelyDanbo | uh oh. |
| 07:58.03 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo what? |
| 07:58.09 | LonelyDanbo | but... don't you need to update it to get the packages from that? |
| 07:58.10 | jmcnaught | fireblood: the resolution was still wrong after rebooting the computer? |
| 07:58.22 | fireblood | yes |
| 07:58.38 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo yes, so you should remove the repo when you're done so when it checks for updates it checks the stable repo |
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| 07:58.49 | jmcnaught | fireblood: what was the game? |
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| 07:58.58 | fireblood | the mana world |
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| 07:59.31 | LonelyDanbo | wait, I don't get it. I update one way but not another? |
| 07:59.54 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo not sure what you mean |
| 07:59.58 | dotDeb | lonely you should be removing wine |
| 08:00.02 | LonelyDanbo | you said I had to update but not update. |
| 08:00.08 | dotDeb | don't update |
| 08:00.11 | dotDeb | remove wine |
| 08:00.14 | dotDeb | add the testing repo |
| 08:00.16 | dotDeb | install wine |
| 08:00.19 | dotDeb | remove the resting repo |
| 08:00.20 | dotDeb | done |
| 08:00.24 | dotDeb | *testing |
| 08:00.29 | fireblood | And i cant change the reslotion because then i will need to restart the computer |
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| 08:00.47 | LonelyDanbo | "add the testing repo" is just by editing sources.list and nothing more? |
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| 08:01.11 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo oh you have to apt-get update, yes |
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| 08:01.15 | jmcnaught | fireblood: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 08:01.20 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo i was thinking you were talking about apt-get upgrade |
| 08:01.22 | dotDeb | yea |
| 08:01.22 | dotDeb | so |
| 08:01.24 | dotDeb | remove wine |
| 08:01.27 | dotDeb | add testing repo |
| 08:01.29 | dotDeb | update sources list |
| 08:01.32 | LonelyDanbo | ... but apt-get update doesn't do what you told me not to do? what did you tell me not to do? |
| 08:01.42 | dotDeb | install wine |
| 08:01.46 | dotDeb | remove testing repo |
| 08:01.50 | dotDeb | update sources list |
| 08:01.52 | dotDeb | done |
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| 08:02.43 | mo1991 | dotDeb - just curious why you were asking me about debian stable compared with ubuntu? |
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| 08:03.03 | fireblood | No i dont. Does Xorg.conf come with debian when you install it? |
| 08:03.16 | dotDeb | mo1991 because I am deciding between ubuntu and debian |
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| 08:03.41 | LonelyDanbo | I already did a whole bunch of these steps to install WINE, so I guess I just reverse them. http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ |
| 08:03.50 | mo1991 | dotDeb - ahh, are you on ubuntu now? |
| 08:03.55 | jmcnaught | fireblood: no, if the file does not exist (which is default) then X autoconfigures itself, you only need to create the file if you want to change from whatever is autoconfigured |
| 08:04.03 | dotDeb | mo1991 yea, in transition |
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| 08:04.09 | dotDeb | mo1991 to debian |
| 08:04.12 | dotDeb | mo1991 at this point |
| 08:04.29 | fireblood | Ok Thanks! |
| 08:04.48 | fireblood | Is it hard? |
| 08:05.16 | jmcnaught | fireblood: it's not hard but it also might not be the thing to do, since it seems like it worked just fine before |
| 08:05.53 | LonelyDanbo | is there any chance that the stuff it told me to install, some of it was already installed? I guess not on a pretty new installation... |
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| 08:06.11 | fireblood | hmm ok. Is there some kind of program i can use to reset the system while still |
| 08:06.18 | LonelyDanbo | libc6-dev-i386 oss-compat lib32z1 |
| 08:06.25 | LonelyDanbo | libc6-i386 |
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| 08:06.28 | LonelyDanbo | ia32-libs |
| 08:06.42 | fireblood | without having to reinstall? |
| 08:06.44 | mo1991 | dotDeb - I see - i for a while ran ubuntu LTS on a different computer - just seemed that as you add servers, etc, things are not as stable, whereas debian I never have issues with stability. I would actually lose dns with 12.04 every once in a while as ubuntu did some strange things with the way the desktop manager connected it seemed.. Anyway.... |
| 08:06.47 | jmcnaught | fireblood: are you using gnome? if you gdm3 is your display manager (login screen) then you can restart X with the command "service gdm3 restart" (as root) without needing to do a complete reboot. this will logout any desktop sessions though |
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| 08:07.34 | fireblood | Ok, i will try that. Thanks for answering |
| 08:07.48 | dotDeb | mo1991 i'm not running servers, is debian not for me then? |
| 08:07.48 | LonelyDanbo | ... what about dependencies? |
| 08:08.07 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo should be fine |
| 08:08.12 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo how many are there? |
| 08:08.24 | LonelyDanbo | uh... those 5. and... |
| 08:08.53 | dotDeb | ok |
| 08:09.00 | mo1991 | dotDeb - imo - there is no advantage to ubuntu LTS - perhaps a little easier to setup but harder to upgrade, less stable, etc. |
| 08:09.05 | jmcnaught | fireblood: you can probably fix this without reinstalling debian. are you using wheezy by the way? also how did you install mana? from the debian repository or did you add a repository to install it? if you were playing the game for the first time after installing it when this happened, i would be suspect of any packages that you installed with the game (especially if they aren't from the debian stable repository) |
| 08:09.05 | LonelyDanbo | 1 more. |
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| 08:09.23 | LonelyDanbo | plus I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 08:09.26 | dotDeb | mo1991 i'm not on LTS even |
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| 08:10.25 | LonelyDanbo | uninstalling is faster than installing. |
| 08:10.33 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo ? |
| 08:10.44 | LonelyDanbo | probably the downloading time. |
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| 08:11.00 | LonelyDanbo | what's the reverse of this? aptitude install libc6-dev-i386 oss-compat lib32z1 |
| 08:11.01 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo but, why are you uninstalling it? |
| 08:11.11 | LonelyDanbo | I can't tell why they grouped those 3, but then put the next two as separate commands. |
| 08:11.32 | LonelyDanbo | because I installed them because they're part of instructions to manually get a higher version of WINE installed. |
| 08:11.49 | LonelyDanbo | ..... |
| 08:11.57 | dotDeb | okay but why are you uninstalling |
| 08:12.04 | mrtnt | In case for example RAID4 or RAID5, for each stripe of data bits, a parity bit is stored. For example if I write 0 to drive A and 1 to drive B, then parity bit 1 is stored to drive C. Isn't this a huge load to CPU in case of Linux software-RAID if for each bit of data, a parity bit needs to be calculated? For example if I write a 1GB file to RAID5 array, then 1000000000 calculations needs to be performed by CPU? |
| 08:12.04 | dotDeb | if they are dependencies you must leave them installed |
| 08:12.07 | LonelyDanbo | because you told me to uninstall WINE. |
| 08:12.19 | dotDeb | oh |
| 08:12.30 | LonelyDanbo | and I did all this to try and install WINE. |
| 08:12.37 | dotDeb | you should uninstall then add the repo then install it |
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| 08:12.45 | dotDeb | uninstalling shouldn't cause concern over dependencies.. |
| 08:13.06 | SirLagz | mrtnt: Today's CPUs can handle parity calculations with ease. |
| 08:13.12 | LonelyDanbo | ... |
| 08:13.22 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo what exactly have you done so far? |
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| 08:14.14 | LonelyDanbo | I did all this up to the " gdebi libwine-* " part (which failed), and I've purged the previous two install steps above. (ia32-libs and libc6-i386) |
| 08:14.34 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo o.O |
| 08:14.40 | dotDeb | so you uninstalled wine |
| 08:14.43 | mrtnt | SirLagz: ok. But am I correct that if I write a 1GB file to a RAID5 array, then CPU needs to perform 1000000000 XOR calculations? |
| 08:14.45 | dotDeb | added the testing repo |
| 08:14.53 | dotDeb | and then apt-get update |
| 08:14.56 | dotDeb | and then install |
| 08:15.05 | dotDeb | using apt-get |
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| 08:15.11 | dotDeb | why are you using gdebi? |
| 08:15.18 | SirLagz | mrtnt: I don't know the exact workings, but I assume it would do XOR calculations on blocks |
| 08:15.26 | LonelyDanbo | dotDeb, no. I haven't gotten to that point yet. Installing WINE was the first thing on that page. I was reversing the steps to get to that point. |
| 08:15.53 | LonelyDanbo | dotDeb, I did all this before you told me what to do. I'm just trying to undo it because you told me to uninstall WINE. |
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| 08:16.07 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo reversing what steps? the first step i said was uninstall wine and that should be problem free |
| 08:16.13 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo no gdebi needed |
| 08:16.19 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo apt-get remove wine |
| 08:16.33 | LonelyDanbo | reversing the steps that I already did BEFORE I talked to you. |
| 08:16.47 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo i dont think you should need to reverse any steps |
| 08:16.59 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo regardless of what you did prior |
| 08:17.00 | SirLagz | mrtnt: so if you have a block size of 4KB , 1GB would be 1048576 blocks, so that many XOR calcs. |
| 08:17.03 | SirLagz | mrtnt: but that's a guess. |
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| 08:17.20 | LonelyDanbo | but I installed a ton of stuff that was only because of that website. |
| 08:17.32 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo what website? |
| 08:17.40 | LonelyDanbo | the one I posted here. |
| 08:18.00 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo if you want to revert to the stable packages, just remove the testing repo and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:18.04 | LonelyDanbo | oh, it didn't post. http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 08:18.41 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo you don't need to undo that stuff |
| 08:18.48 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo just uninstall wine |
| 08:18.53 | LonelyDanbo | but won't it clutter things up? |
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| 08:19.22 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo shouldn't |
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| 08:20.03 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo so first uninstall wine |
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| 08:21.40 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo done? |
| 08:21.43 | LonelyDanbo | ... hm. there's a bunch of wine packages installed. some of them probably through that process... |
| 08:22.01 | LonelyDanbo | there's no plain "wine". |
| 08:22.19 | LonelyDanbo | there's win:i386 and win-bin:i386 (and a bunch of libwine-* stuff) |
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| 08:22.49 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo ok if wine isn't installed then just add the testing repo and apt-get update |
| 08:23.28 | LonelyDanbo | but it is installed. I ran it. |
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| 08:23.52 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo do you have synaptic? |
| 08:23.56 | LonelyDanbo | yeah. |
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| 08:24.07 | wols_ | dotDeb: mixing testing and stable is a bad idea. totally unsupported |
| 08:24.10 | LonelyDanbo | "wine" isn't installed, but i can run "wine". |
| 08:24.10 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo try uninstalling wine:i386 from there |
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| 08:24.35 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: if you add testing packages to your debian stable installation, we will not support you anymore |
| 08:24.36 | dotDeb | wols_ what other options are there? also, we are currently resolving a different problem |
| 08:25.03 | wols_ | dotDeb: if you add testing to debian stable the you only create problems, you do not solve anything but break the installatiion |
| 08:25.07 | wols_ | !frankendebian |
| 08:25.07 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 08:25.26 | dotDeb | wols_ ok |
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| 08:25.39 | dotDeb | lonelydanbo ok, well looks like you're stuck with wine 1.4 |
| 08:25.41 | wols_ | if you want a newer package, you can use backports, do a backport yourself or simply run testing. do not mix |
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| 08:27.10 | mo1991 | dotDeb - for example, installing wine from testing will also pull libc6 from testing - which can cause lots of problems. |
| 08:27.18 | dotDeb | mo1991 i see. |
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| 08:27.43 | LonelyDanbo | looks at what backports are. |
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| 08:28.06 | LonelyDanbo | sounds similar to using the tested thing. |
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| 08:28.35 | wols_ | backports are testing versions of packages but compiled for debian stable |
| 08:28.58 | wols_ | they don't drag in all the rest of testing which keeps your debian stable cleaner. however afaik there is no WINE backport |
| 08:29.26 | wols_ | if you really need a newer WINE version, you need to switch to debian testing |
| 08:29.58 | LonelyDanbo | bleh. |
| 08:29.59 | jelly-home | ,v wine |
| 08:30.00 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-7; sid: 1.6.2-7 |
| 08:30.09 | mo1991 | if you really need newer wine I would first install wine fully on stable - so that all dependancies are met, and then individually install the wine .deb packages from the wine website - so that they can be easily removed, and you know they arent going to pull anything from the testing repo |
| 08:30.25 | eri_ | somebody can help me install ruby with rvm on debian |
| 08:30.28 | eri_ | ? |
| 08:30.37 | jelly-home | mo1991: did winehq started building for debian proper again? |
| 08:30.43 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: is it a particular windows game you are trying to run? maybe it will run in wine 1.4 with some tweaks? some of the games in the debian repositories are pretty good too |
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| 08:30.48 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know what "fully" means, but I think 1.4.1-4 is broken. |
| 08:31.04 | wols_ | broken how? |
| 08:31.07 | LonelyDanbo | I got no graphics card listed in the settings. |
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| 08:31.27 | wols_ | which settings? |
| 08:31.35 | LonelyDanbo | I try to run a game and it says there's no video card. |
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| 08:31.46 | wols_ | which game? and what does glxinfo under linux say? |
| 08:31.57 | mo1991 | jelly-home now that I look they are for sid, but I believe I tried them before on wheezy and worked ok - that was a while ago tho so I'm not sure. |
| 08:32.13 | mo1991 | and they are beta versions of wine |
| 08:32.15 | LonelyDanbo | the "graphics" tab of ... crap. I uninstalled WINE. it was like "WINE configuration" or something in Debian's "Applications Menu" .-> System |
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| 08:32.22 | wols_ | winehq has made packages for testing/sid for a long time, never for stable afaik |
| 08:32.39 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: pastebin the output of glxinfo |
| 08:32.50 | LonelyDanbo | glxinfo ... oh dear god what is all that??? |
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| 08:33.03 | linuxshit_ | you know why debian is piece of shit? ill tell you |
| 08:33.10 | linuxshit_ | i have 1GB of ram |
| 08:33.18 | linuxshit_ | i open programs, open programs, |
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| 08:33.43 | linuxshit_ | when physical ram usage is around 960MB, debian start to put everything into swap file |
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| 08:33.49 | linuxshit_ | but everything "new" |
| 08:33.53 | LonelyDanbo | I wanted to play Terraria and World of WarCraft and maybe some other stuff I haven't looked into yet because I don't have a way to do it. |
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| 08:34.15 | linuxshit_ | this piece of fucking shit is unusable when you use all of physical ram |
| 08:34.23 | linuxshit_ | windows is 10 times better than this stupid open source shit |
| 08:34.32 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: like how windows is unusable when you use all physical RAM ? |
| 08:34.39 | linuxshit_ | on windows when you use 1GB of swap it still works fast as hell |
| 08:34.49 | linuxshit_ | SirLagz, no its not. you never used windows |
| 08:34.53 | linuxshit_ | on windows, |
| 08:34.58 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: lol. I'd like to see Windows run at all on 1GB of RAM. |
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| 08:35.14 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: I'm using windows right now. and it runs like crap with 8GB of RAM. |
| 08:35.21 | ksuhku | !ops linuxshit_ is soapboxing |
| 08:35.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ksuhku complains about: linuxshit_ is soapboxing |
| 08:35.29 | linuxshit_ | sirlagz thats funny because i used windows with 256MB of ram for years. and had to increase ram only because of stupid "open source" firefox |
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| 08:35.46 | SirLagz | ksuhku: thanks. |
| 08:35.49 | Thor | linuxshit_: what do you hope to achieve? |
| 08:36.01 | linuxshit_ | on windows it puts into swap file only things that are old unused for some time |
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| 08:36.11 | linuxshit_ | ex.programs that you opened long time ago and keep them minimized |
| 08:36.28 | linuxshit_ | Thor tell me how to make this fucking shit NOT unusable when i use all of ram |
| 08:36.36 | LonelyDanbo | ... if the very start of glxinfo is "name of display: :0.0" "display: :0 screen: 0" "direct rendering: Yes" is that bad? |
| 08:36.38 | linuxshit_ | (physical ram) |
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| 08:36.59 | Thor | linuxshit_: don't use all physical ram, or get a faster disk |
| 08:37.05 | linuxshit_ | when full physical ram is used, and i open anything, stupid debian of shit is locked totally |
| 08:37.07 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: same as on Windows. |
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| 08:37.27 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: in fact, I have LOTs of debian boxes that I'm running on 512MB of ram. |
| 08:37.48 | linuxshit_ | Thor oh really? then how i can use 4gb of ram in windows when only 2gb physical, and it works 2 times faster than debian |
| 08:37.50 | AnonyJuice | hi there i have a problem and it sould be easy to fix i wish to give the user "slethen" full permitons to the dir /var/www/ but not override the promitons of www-data so both can still use /var/www |
| 08:38.02 | babilen | linuxshit_: Please take it elsewhere |
| 08:38.03 | linuxshit_ | SirLagz, lol, then open a web browser |
| 08:38.10 | linuxshit_ | SirLagz, on 512 mb ram debian |
| 08:38.22 | linuxshit_ | SirLagz, NOT A "TEXT" web browser |
| 08:38.24 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: have you tried checking the wine application database? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23556 for Terraria has some install tips for that game. It got a gold rating on Wine 1.3 so you might get it to work on 1.4 |
| 08:38.30 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: Ok. Done. |
| 08:38.33 | SirLagz | linuxshit_: what's your point ? |
| 08:38.44 | Thor | linuxshit_: I don't why you bring up windows into this, if you want it to work like windows, use windows |
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| 08:38.51 | linuxshit_ | SirLagz, i told you. i want to make this piece of shit devbian NOT LOCK when i use all physical ram |
| 08:39.09 | AnonyJuice | swap file :p |
| 08:39.15 | linuxshit_ | Thor thats a good idea. i used debian because it is deafult on Whonix |
| 08:39.18 | Thor | linuxshit_: https://www.google.no/search?q=linux+scheduler+tuning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=sMseU6nqAcKXOrGegegL |
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| 08:39.37 | babilen | linuxshit_: Please drop it. You are free to use Windows if you want to but this discussion is neither constructive nor conducted in a mannered way. Please drop it. |
| 08:39.38 | LonelyDanbo | jmcnaught, huh. thanks. (although hopefully it won't make a difference, that's for Terraria version 1.0.*, and it's up to 1.2.3.1 and recently had an optimization.) |
| 08:39.59 | linuxshit_ | AnonyJuice, i have swap file, thing is it puts all new things into this file and old ones keep in ram. that locks the system, i literally cant move cursor |
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| 08:40.30 | AnonyJuice | lol^ |
| 08:40.36 | AnonyJuice | hi there i have a problem and it sould be easy to fix i wish to give the user "slethen" full permitons to the dir /var/www/ but not override the promitons of www-data so both can still use /var/www |
| 08:40.39 | SirLagz | babilen: thans |
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| 08:40.47 | SirLagz | thanks* |
| 08:41.03 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: they have a db entry for 1.2, but it doesn't have test results for anything earlier than 1.6. when i've used wine I've always found the appdb to be a useful resource |
| 08:41.04 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: you could always add the user to the www-data group |
| 08:41.10 | AnonyJuice | i have |
| 08:41.23 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: and then give the group rw access to /var/www ? |
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| 08:41.36 | babilen | linuxshit_: I quieted you; Please try to be more polite the next time around and try to give a precise description of the problem you encounter if you want people in this channel to help. Your whole demeanour and nick could be seen as being insulting and I would kindly ask you to keep in mind that people in here are volunteers. |
| 08:41.42 | AnonyJuice | i did chown -r www-data:www-data /var/www/ |
| 08:41.44 | LonelyDanbo | wols_, do you want the whole output of glxinfo or just the start? |
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| 08:41.50 | AnonyJuice | so www-data is the owner |
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| 08:41.56 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: from what I understand WoW has been well supported by wine for years now. hopefully it's just a simple bug you need to work around. |
| 08:41.58 | AnonyJuice | how can i make both users the owner? |
| 08:42.12 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: you can't. you can only have one user as the owner |
| 08:42.12 | AnonyJuice | or the group |
| 08:42.19 | AnonyJuice | i see |
| 08:42.25 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: or the group |
| 08:42.36 | AnonyJuice | slethen is in the group www-data |
| 08:42.38 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: so doing that chown will set the user:group as the owners |
| 08:42.39 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: if you haven't tried already, remove the .wine folder (or rename it) and run winecfg again to start a fresh configuration |
| 08:42.43 | AnonyJuice | yet cannot make files ect in /var/www |
| 08:42.55 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: then chmod +rw on /var/www |
| 08:42.58 | LonelyDanbo | jmcnaught, yeah. :( simple bugs are my curse. a single obscure motherboard setting stopped me for 3 days in being able to install Debian off a USB stick. I was crying and screaming. |
| 08:43.07 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: or chmod 775 on /var/www |
| 08:43.35 | AnonyJuice | done |
| 08:43.36 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: heh i know that feel. my motherboard does not boot from USB. that's why it got a DVD drive :) |
| 08:43.41 | AnonyJuice | :/ still getting peromiton denied |
| 08:43.51 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: making a file in /var/www ? |
| 08:43.56 | AnonyJuice | dir |
| 08:44.17 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: don't have SELinux enabled do you ? |
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| 08:44.28 | AnonyJuice | let me check |
| 08:44.31 | LonelyDanbo | mine boots from USB but that setting would stop it somehow from reading the 2nd partition I think. and from my USB keyboard and mouse working after I installed Debian. |
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| 08:45.17 | AnonyJuice | selinux is disbaled |
| 08:45.30 | LonelyDanbo | oh right. I forgot I uninstalled WINE. |
| 08:45.41 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: anyways i recommend keep trying the 1.4 packages in wheezy. get rid of you existing wine install by moving or deleting ~/.wine (i think, it'll be something similar) and run winecfg to create a new configuratio directory. i usually don't change anything at first, just click okay and try to run something. |
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| 08:46.08 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: are you logged in as the user sleuthen ? |
| 08:46.15 | AnonyJuice | yes |
| 08:46.19 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: for what it's worth I was playing windows first person shooters in wine 7 years ago, and wheezy's version of wine is a lot newer than that |
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| 08:46.32 | AnonyJuice | slethen@crew:~$ mkdir test < |
| 08:46.45 | SirLagz | jmcnaught: hey same as me :D I played Half-Life in WINE :D |
| 08:47.00 | AnonyJuice | SirLagz how did it play? |
| 08:47.03 | LonelyDanbo | ... why does "wine" package want to install just "wine64-bin"? that sounds like 64-bit windows... |
| 08:47.09 | mo1991 | :) I still have counterstrike on wine :) |
| 08:47.12 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: played fairly well for the hardware I had at the time |
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| 08:47.20 | AnonyJuice | nice |
| 08:47.22 | SirLagz | Pentium 3 700 with a Geforce 3 IIRC |
| 08:47.22 | jmcnaught | if i recall correctly back then some games had higher FPS in wine than on windows |
| 08:47.34 | AnonyJuice | O.o |
| 08:47.38 | AnonyJuice | pnetium O.o |
| 08:47.38 | SirLagz | hmm..maybe more than 7 years ago actually |
| 08:47.42 | AnonyJuice | wow out of my era xD |
| 08:47.48 | LonelyDanbo | oh crap. ... the WINE I uninstalled isn't listed for reinstallation in the package manager... |
| 08:47.55 | SirLagz | actually probably closer to 11 years ago haha |
| 08:47.58 | AnonyJuice | holds up his shiney pehneom II quad core |
| 08:47.58 | SirLagz | 12 years ago ? |
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| 08:48.16 | AnonyJuice | technically dual core.... :( |
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| 08:48.38 | SirLagz | haha |
| 08:48.43 | AnonyJuice | UCC :D |
| 08:48.48 | AnonyJuice | anyways yeah still no luck :( |
| 08:48.52 | SirLagz | I still have that Pentium 3 that I used to play Half Life all those years ago |
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| 08:49.06 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: what's the output of ls -l /var ? |
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| 08:49.10 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: might wanna PM me that. |
| 08:49.16 | AnonyJuice | ok |
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| 08:49.54 | jmcnaught | LonelyDanbo: well i hope you get it to work but i'm off to bed |
| 08:50.06 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: www still doesn't have 775 permission |
| 08:50.07 | AnonyJuice | i think my onboard gpu could play hl fairly well |
| 08:50.12 | AnonyJuice | hmm :/ |
| 08:50.18 | LonelyDanbo | goodnight. |
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| 08:50.29 | AnonyJuice | chmod +rw -R /var/www ? |
| 08:50.30 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: You'd hope onboard could play HL well. I played HalfLife on a S3 ViRGE for a while :D |
| 08:50.48 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: chmod 775 /var/www |
| 08:50.56 | AnonyJuice | my onboard sint actually that bad though xD asrock n68 VS3 |
| 08:50.56 | LonelyDanbo | WINE's reinstalled. still no graphics card listed. |
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| 08:51.07 | AnonyJuice | is that a good idea though in terms of web security? |
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| 08:51.21 | AnonyJuice | done it anyways |
| 08:51.24 | AnonyJuice | same issue |
| 08:51.34 | AnonyJuice | drwxrwxr-x |
| 08:51.39 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: since you're only doing it on the directory and not on the files themselves, and since the www-data group should be restricted, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 08:51.42 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: try making the directory now |
| 08:51.55 | AnonyJuice | i did |
| 08:51.58 | AnonyJuice | same issue :/ |
| 08:52.08 | AnonyJuice | the user needs to be able to edit the files ect though |
| 08:52.14 | SirLagz | eh...paste me the ls -l /var/ again ? |
| 08:52.34 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: oh in that case, chmod -R 775 /var/www |
| 08:52.54 | AnonyJuice | done still same issue |
| 08:52.54 | AnonyJuice | :p |
| 08:53.00 | SirLagz | I'm confused now. |
| 08:53.03 | AnonyJuice | me too |
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| 08:53.10 | AnonyJuice | ive been trying for a good hour |
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| 08:53.24 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: have you logged out and back in since you added yourself to the www-data group ? |
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| 08:53.32 | AnonyJuice | yes |
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| 08:53.41 | AnonyJuice | i will do so again though |
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| 08:53.54 | LonelyDanbo | can someone tell me why WINE has no graphics card? glxinfo dump (before the really verbose stuff) http://pastebin.com/ynwDtmFV |
| 08:53.56 | AnonyJuice | and... i derped |
| 08:54.01 | AnonyJuice | working :D |
| 08:54.07 | AnonyJuice | thanks SirLagz |
| 08:54.10 | zafu | hi, is here a good websec replacement? (web secretary: nofification of web page change) |
| 08:54.16 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: no problems :) |
| 08:54.38 | AnonyJuice | my onboard was able to play portal 1 just fine so i think it could handle hl1 |
| 08:54.44 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: haha definitely |
| 08:54.51 | SirLagz | seeing as HL1 is based on the Quake engine :D |
| 08:54.52 | AnonyJuice | maybe hl2 just |
| 08:54.54 | LonelyDanbo | Is my graphics card at least working in Debian? |
| 08:55.16 | AnonyJuice | its suprising because my motherboard was a cheap micro atx about $50 |
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| 08:55.53 | AnonyJuice | it has a Nvidia GeForce 7025 / Nvidia nForce 630a built in |
| 08:55.54 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: what graphics card is built in ? |
| 08:55.57 | SirLagz | ah k |
| 08:55.57 | AnonyJuice | ^ |
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| 08:56.09 | AnonyJuice | but i have a AMD hd radeon 6670 now |
| 08:56.17 | AnonyJuice | cheap and powerfull xD |
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| 08:56.20 | SirLagz | haha |
| 08:56.24 | SirLagz | I got a HD6670 for free lol |
| 08:56.35 | AnonyJuice | i paid abpout $50 |
| 08:56.38 | SirLagz | Work was throwing out a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't asset tagged |
| 08:56.52 | AnonyJuice | nice |
| 08:56.56 | SirLagz | picked up about 100 sticks of 512MB DDR 1 RAM |
| 08:57.00 | AnonyJuice | O.o |
| 08:57.21 | AnonyJuice | now all you need is a server with 100 ddr1 slots |
| 08:57.27 | SirLagz | now all I need is to find something that can turn a whole bunch of DDR1 RAM sticks into a SSD haha |
| 08:57.39 | AnonyJuice | you kinda can |
| 08:57.58 | SirLagz | kinda can, kinda not. |
| 08:58.00 | AnonyJuice | but not all 100 xD |
| 08:58.01 | AnonyJuice | i dont even htink any motherboard can take 100 sricks of ram |
| 08:58.15 | SirLagz | haha. Yeah I've seen a few that take 4 or 8 sticks |
| 08:58.26 | AnonyJuice | O.o is that it |
| 08:58.42 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: to turn RAM sticks into a SSD ? yep |
| 08:58.45 | AnonyJuice | most of my 4u racks take 16 |
| 08:58.51 | AnonyJuice | oh |
| 08:58.52 | AnonyJuice | :p |
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| 08:59.06 | AnonyJuice | get a load of them and a raid controller |
| 08:59.16 | AnonyJuice | sounds pricey though xD |
| 09:00.03 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: gigabyte i-RAM |
| 09:00.07 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: i want some of those :D |
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| 09:00.17 | AnonyJuice | lol |
| 09:00.26 | AnonyJuice | i use asrock "x-fast ram" on my pc |
| 09:00.44 | AnonyJuice | its basicly just a ramdisk as i use a ssd i put all of my ff caching ect to that rather then the ssd |
| 09:00.55 | AnonyJuice | but the speeds it gets are inane |
| 09:00.58 | SirLagz | AnonyJuice: ah nice |
| 09:01.07 | AnonyJuice | ddr3-1800 i get about 2.5GB/s |
| 09:01.07 | SirLagz | anyway. Home time. bye ! |
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| 09:01.12 | AnonyJuice | peace |
| 09:04.20 | LonelyDanbo | when I looked at info for WINE for WoW, it said it was better to use nVidia drivers instead of whatever local Linux version there was. |
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| 09:06.27 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: it is irrelevant if wine has a graphics card in its settings. the game needs to find it. and I am still waiting for the full paste of the glxinfo output |
| 09:08.52 | LonelyDanbo | I posted it but i set it to expire in 10 minutes. |
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| 09:10.05 | LonelyDanbo | hold on |
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| 09:10.40 | LonelyDanbo | wols_, http://pastebin.com/u3qGtUY6 |
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| 09:12.23 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: install the nvidia drivers |
| 09:12.27 | wols_ | !tell LonelyDanbo about nvidia-glx |
| 09:12.51 | wols_ | !tell LonelyDanbo about nvidia dkms |
| 09:13.04 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: which nvidia card/chip do you have? |
| 09:13.28 | LonelyDanbo | uh |
| 09:13.52 | wols_ | if it's an older one you need a slightly different driver, that's why I ask |
| 09:13.56 | LonelyDanbo | (nVidia) Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card |
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| 09:14.17 | wols_ | that's a very new chip then |
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| 09:15.46 | LonelyDanbo | :| |
| 09:15.52 | LonelyDanbo | I got it used. |
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| 09:16.28 | wols_ | it's a good one. and nvidia doesn't have anything newer than this in that segment. |
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| 09:17.29 | LonelyDanbo | install "the" nvidia drivers? |
| 09:17.48 | LonelyDanbo | I only got one message from dpkg though you typed two things. |
| 09:18.14 | LonelyDanbo | I got a message that mentioned dkms |
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| 09:19.57 | wols_ | the first I typed was the wrong factoid. you were only supposed to get one |
| 09:20.16 | LonelyDanbo | ah |
| 09:20.32 | wols_ | LonelyDanbo: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 is a longer instruction btw |
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| 09:22.40 | LonelyDanbo | technology is strange. it took all the invention to make this tech tree of complexity... and some of the technology you can remain ignorant about how it works. while others require you to recreate the knowledge behind it's performance. |
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| 09:25.57 | LonelyDanbo | hm. that command messed up at the end. probably because there was a free version of the driver installed. |
| 09:26.13 | LonelyDanbo | but it said to reboot, so I'll go do that. |
| 09:26.14 | LonelyDanbo | thanks. |
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| 09:50.24 | warren | Anyone know how to configure a /etc/init/*.conf file to run the exec process as a certain non-root user, and to define a command that it runs to stop it? |
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| 09:51.15 | wols_ | warren: /etc/init.d/skeleton is a point to start from |
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| 09:51.30 | OpenTokix | warren: use sudo -u inside the script |
| 09:52.23 | warren | wols_: /etc/init.d/skeleton doesn't look like an upstart file |
| 09:53.27 | warren | OpenTokix: you mean "exec sudo -u username /path/to/command" ? |
| 09:53.41 | wols_ | debian doesn't normally use upstart either. if you run ubuntu you are in the wrong channel |
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| 09:53.57 | warren | I run Fedora ... |
| 09:54.20 | wols_ | fedora certainly doesn't run upstart |
| 09:54.21 | OpenTokix | warren: something along those lines, and the command will run as that user |
| 09:54.26 | wols_ | so why are you in #debian? |
| 09:54.44 | warren | I thought I would find upstart people here because you folks still ship it. |
| 09:54.52 | warren | i'll try #ubuntu-devel |
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| 09:56.29 | jdabinett | has anyone got a recent version of xombrero to compile on sid? |
| 09:57.01 | warren | OpenTokix: it appears that none of the /etc/init/*.conf files use sudo, so there is probably a more standard way to drop to a non-root user ... hmmm |
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| 09:57.56 | wols_ | usually the daemons themselves drop |
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| 09:58.52 | OpenTokix | warren: usually you do the drop of privs inside your application |
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| 10:10.34 | vedranm | hey guys, I'm using jessie and my sysctl.conf reads net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 10:10.51 | vedranm | but even service procps restart doesn't do the job, it remains at 0 if it is 0 |
| 10:10.55 | vedranm | any idea? |
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| 10:11.50 | jelly | vedranm: what happens if you move the setting to /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf? |
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| 10:13.33 | OpenTokix | vedranm: what does /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say? |
| 10:14.11 | vedranm | jelly: works |
| 10:14.13 | vedranm | OpenTokix: 0 |
| 10:14.19 | vedranm | it did, without local.conf |
| 10:14.22 | vedranm | with local.conf it says 1 |
| 10:14.50 | vedranm | jelly: to be honest, introducing local.conf solves my problem, so thank you :) |
| 10:15.11 | jelly | it's either a known bug or an intentional break from backward compatibility that I read about somewhere... fiik where |
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| 10:21.21 | napalm_christ | anyone: can i use yast to install deb packages? |
| 10:21.44 | jelly | napalm_christ: what's yast? |
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| 10:22.36 | Mikaela | You might want to ask at OpenSUSE channel or whatever used yast. |
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| 10:25.32 | petn-randall | napalm_christ: You could use 'alien' to convert them, and then break your system with the resulting rpm. |
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| 10:26.56 | kbr | hiya. Is there a difference between the stable/updates repo at security.d.o and stable-updates on the regular mirrors? |
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| 10:27.29 | kbr | is security.d.o exclusively security updates while stable-updates include general bugfixes? |
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| 10:28.48 | jelly | kbr: read /msg dpkg stable-updates |
| 10:29.25 | kbr | jelly: perfect, thanks |
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| 10:48.14 | flip214 | Hi, I tried to follow https://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Generating_cross_images_as_root_user. I get a chroot with /bin/bash in it, but the chroot command itself always says "chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 10:50.00 | flip214 | that's a powerpc chroot, I'm using amd64. |
| 10:50.02 | flip214 | ldd usr/bin/qemu-ppc-static not a dynamic executable |
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| 10:50.14 | flip214 | sudo chroot powerpc-cacao/ /usr/bin/qemu-ppc-static /bin/bash |
| 10:50.14 | flip214 | chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/qemu-ppc-static': No such file or directory |
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| 10:50.49 | flip214 | Is powerpc-non-compatibility some known problem, or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 10:54.10 | kelsoo | flip214 the best place to ask/look re powerpc is here https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2014/03/ |
| 10:54.54 | flip214 | kelsoo: thanks, but that's trying to build a debootstrap via an emulator... don't think the (real) PPC people do that a lot |
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| 10:56.34 | kelsoo | Not a lot but. Yes |
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| 11:03.12 | flip214 | the same "just works" for an armel chroot ... |
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| 11:06.36 | Deffie | hello everyone, I'm having a little problem with depmod (debian 7 module-init-tools 3.1 ) zsh: segmentation fault depmod -F /boot/System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64 -b /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64 -a |
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| 11:08.16 | bitfix | hi! |
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| 11:08.42 | flip214 | thanks, solved it. needed to copy some more /usr/bin/qemu*static into the chroot! |
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| 11:16.15 | bitfix | ok, guys, i need help really urgently: i had to swap basically all of my hardware; mainboard, cpu, ram, psu. |
| 11:16.15 | bitfix | now, whn i try to boot the debian installation, i get exactly NOTHING. no grub no menu no nothing, just a blinking cursor. but the hardware seems to be ok, as i can perfectly mount it with a debian live-cd, i can chroot into it and i can mkinitramfs and grub-install and update-grub worked without problems... so i really don't understand why i get nothing but a blinking cursor, any suggestions highly appreciated! |
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| 11:16.51 | LonelyDanbo | well, somehow my Debian installation got broken. I don't know if it was from installing the nVidia drivers or from testing if my Debian installer on USB worked normally. |
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| 11:17.20 | LonelyDanbo | How do I setup the new root partition without messing with the home partition? |
| 11:17.35 | DotHack | i have this disk which is no lvm, and i unmounted it but its still in use, my xen host wont detach it |
| 11:17.43 | LonelyDanbo | I tried to erase it but... then it told me it had no root partition, and I forgot what the settings for it were. |
| 11:18.10 | DotHack | this is the message on the console: vbd vbd-51728: 16 Device in use; refusing to close |
| 11:18.33 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: that is actualy quite easy, you can choose how to partition during the setup process, and you can just leave the home partition untouched. |
| 11:18.33 | bitfix | provided it currently already is a partition and not just a folder... |
| 11:18.36 | LonelyDanbo | I'm running on the Live Debian off the USB. |
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| 11:18.50 | LonelyDanbo | bitfix, which option? |
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| 11:19.33 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: well manual partitioning always works :) |
| 11:19.46 | LonelyDanbo | but I don't know how to set it up. |
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| 11:20.42 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: do you have a hjome partition currently or is it a folder? |
| 11:21.20 | LonelyDanbo | I had Debian installed already, so a separate home partition is setup. but I erased the root partition and it's probably messed up. |
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| 11:21.38 | LonelyDanbo | well root folder partition. |
| 11:21.48 | bitfix | hehe i would say it most likely is :D |
| 11:21.52 | LonelyDanbo | I'm not very good with the names. |
| 11:22.13 | bitfix | what does sudo mount | grep home return? |
| 11:22.36 | LonelyDanbo | nothing |
| 11:22.47 | bitfix | then you have no home partition |
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| 11:22.57 | bitfix | if you reased / then you reased home |
| 11:23.02 | DotHack | even fsck says deivce exclusivly in use |
| 11:23.06 | bitfix | erased even |
| 11:23.12 | LonelyDanbo | but home was a different partition. |
| 11:23.17 | DotHack | but i cant find out what is using it.. lsof and fuser dont show |
| 11:23.33 | LonelyDanbo | maybe it's just saying that because I'm on a Live copy of Debian. |
| 11:23.42 | bitfix | err... do you have the hard disk in your computer currently? |
| 11:23.47 | LonelyDanbo | yes. |
| 11:23.51 | bitfix | ah i see |
| 11:24.04 | bitfix | so what does sudo fdisk -l return? |
| 11:24.36 | LonelyDanbo | no fdisk from here, it seems. |
| 11:25.07 | bitfix | hm? |
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| 11:25.39 | LonelyDanbo | df -h looks like... it's just showing the live Debian. none of the two HDDs or the USB stick are showing. |
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| 11:26.05 | bitfix | err... what does df -h have top do with sudo fdisk -l...? |
| 11:26.20 | LonelyDanbo | I'm just trying to find info on partitions. |
| 11:26.24 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know. |
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| 11:26.46 | LonelyDanbo | I told you, I'm running the live version. I don't think it's setup to let me mess with partitions from here. |
| 11:27.02 | LonelyDanbo | It's got an "install debian" icon on the desktop. |
| 11:27.47 | bitfix | so how if we try this: enter sudo fdisk -l? |
| 11:28.05 | LonelyDanbo | in a terminal? or run? |
| 11:28.18 | LonelyDanbo | oh, strange. that worked. |
| 11:28.26 | bitfix | ya sure in a terminal, gosh... |
| 11:28.43 | LonelyDanbo | sorry. I must have assumed since I didn't need a password for sudo that I was root or something. |
| 11:29.12 | bitfix | so what is the output of it? pastebin it please |
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| 11:30.29 | LonelyDanbo | http://pastebin.com/q9pgCaeL |
| 11:30.41 | LonelyDanbo | 2 HDDs and 1 USB |
| 11:31.16 | LonelyDanbo | the 500GB is an old broken CrunchBang installation. the 1TB is the Debian installation I just broke. |
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| 11:32.05 | bitfix | so /dev/sdb is the device we are talking about |
| 11:32.11 | LonelyDanbo | yes. sdb |
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| 11:32.39 | bitfix | your data appear to be on a lvm volume... |
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| 11:33.16 | LonelyDanbo | yes. |
| 11:33.21 | bitfix | sudo apt-get install lvm2 |
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| 11:33.37 | LonelyDanbo | I guess LVM volume is not the same as a partition. logical partition. |
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| 11:34.04 | LonelyDanbo | ok. lvm2 got |
| 11:34.06 | ChrisH | LonelyDanbo: you guess right. |
| 11:34.07 | bitfix | it sort of is... |
| 11:34.19 | bitfix | lvm is a container that contains paritions |
| 11:34.28 | bitfix | ok, sudo vgscan |
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| 11:34.51 | cybrNaut | this wiki is outdated and wrong => https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso. Any idea where I can find working documenation for doing a preseed initrd install? |
| 11:34.56 | LonelyDanbo | yeah it found my volume. |
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| 11:35.19 | bitfix | sudo vgchange -a y |
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| 11:35.29 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 11:35.37 | UukGoblin | what's the best way to get a mips cross-compiler on wheezy? |
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| 11:36.09 | UukGoblin | I tried adding an emdebian repository as described here https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 11:36.30 | UukGoblin | but things like g++-4.7-mips-linux-gnu are not installable |
| 11:36.47 | LonelyDanbo | bitfix, what next? |
| 11:36.53 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: sudo lvscan -a |
| 11:37.01 | UukGoblin | tried 4.4 and 4.3 too, looks like they all indirectly depend on libc >= 2.14, but wheezy only has 2.13 |
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| 11:37.50 | LonelyDanbo | there's root, swap_1, and home. (I named the old wiped root "root", so I guess it got the name right, but I don't know about the settings) |
| 11:38.23 | bitfix | nice! you can mount home now, for example to /mnt |
| 11:39.00 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: this will enable you to make a backup, which i urgently incourage you to do, before you proceed! |
| 11:39.06 | LonelyDanbo | I got nowhere to backup that to. |
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| 11:39.16 | bitfix | how much data? |
| 11:39.36 | LonelyDanbo | I mean I have that old CrunchBang partition but I don't know if I can put it in there... |
| 11:39.55 | bitfix | again: how much data? |
| 11:40.15 | LonelyDanbo | Is there any issue with file permissions if I do that? I had a problem when I copied files using root into my non-root account, that the non-root account didn't have permission for those files. |
| 11:40.27 | LonelyDanbo | not sure how much data. not much. |
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| 11:41.22 | jdabinett | If I were to plug in an external usb wifi adapter, turn off internal wifi in bios, then boot. Would that suffice in using the device for network connectivity? |
| 11:41.31 | jdabinett | assuming the correct drivers are installed |
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| 11:41.52 | LonelyDanbo | god, I don't want to mess up even more stuff... ending up with files I can't delete and then trying to figure out how to get permission or... well I guess formatting it would fix that. |
| 11:41.52 | bitfix | if you copy something with root privileges, the target files end up with root permissions and ownership, clear! use the chown to change the ownership or chmod to change permissions. |
| 11:42.04 | bitfix | !chmod > LonelyDanbo |
| 11:42.04 | dpkg | changes > LonelyDanbo's permissions to 0777 and tells the world. |
| 11:42.19 | bitfix | haha not what i was looking for :D |
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| 11:42.27 | jdabinett | !tell LonelyDanbo about chmod |
| 11:42.30 | LonelyDanbo | am I root on the Live Debian? |
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| 11:42.45 | bitfix | !chown > LonelyDanbo |
| 11:42.45 | LonelyDanbo | I'm guessing I am, which is why I don't need to type a password to use sudo commands. |
| 11:43.02 | bitfix | type whoami |
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| 11:43.12 | bitfix | per default you are not |
| 11:43.36 | bitfix | per default you are user "user" |
| 11:43.54 | bitfix | you can switch to root by sudo su - |
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| 11:44.20 | bitfix | !tell LonelyDanbo about chown |
| 11:44.23 | LonelyDanbo | ok.... well I guess I'll backup some files then. |
| 11:45.00 | bitfix | you can use the df -h command now to find out how much datra btw |
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| 11:45.19 | bitfix | it should work now... provided you already mounted the volume... |
| 11:45.29 | LonelyDanbo | oh. |
| 11:45.52 | bitfix | something like sudo mount /dev/nameofthevolumegroup/home /mnt |
| 11:46.10 | LonelyDanbo | seems to have mounted it already. |
| 11:46.37 | bitfix | does sudo mount | grep h9ome say so? if so where to? |
| 11:46.50 | bitfix | -9, geeez |
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| 11:47.21 | LonelyDanbo | yeah. |
| 11:47.51 | bitfix | ok, guys, i need help really urgently: i had to swap basically all of my hardware; mainboard, cpu, ram, psu. |
| 11:47.51 | bitfix | now, when i try to boot the debian installation, i get exactly NOTHING. no grub no menu no nothing, just a blinking cursor. but the hardware seems to be ok, as i can perfectly mount it with a debian live-cd, i can chroot into it and i can mkinitramfs and grub-install and update-grub worked without problems... so i really don't understand why i get nothing but a blinking cursor, any suggestions highly appreciated! |
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| 11:47.56 | LonelyDanbo | I dunno. /dev/mapper/[my computer]-home on /media/[long alphanumeric number with hyphens] type ext4 |
| 11:48.17 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: perfect! there you go! |
| 11:48.27 | bitfix | now do a df- h thee ;) |
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| 11:50.45 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: how much now? |
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| 11:51.04 | LonelyDanbo | how much what? I'm manually copying my files. |
| 11:51.20 | bitfix | oh, youre already in the process of it? |
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| 11:51.40 | bitfix | i would have suggested you erase that old chrunchbang install and use the whole disk as a backup |
| 11:52.11 | LonelyDanbo | hmm... |
| 11:52.55 | LonelyDanbo | but I never backed up my files from crunchbang |
| 11:53.03 | bitfix | lulz... |
| 11:53.09 | LonelyDanbo | ... I'm so overwhelmed. |
| 11:53.14 | bitfix | quite the mess, huh...? :D |
| 11:53.22 | bitfix | by what? |
| 11:53.33 | bitfix | by seeing your data one more time? :D |
| 11:53.34 | LonelyDanbo | everything. |
| 11:53.55 | LonelyDanbo | just too many questions and uncertainties |
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| 11:54.14 | bitfix | not at all... |
| 11:54.32 | bitfix | you seem to have a few partitions on your crunchbang install too, right? |
| 11:54.40 | LonelyDanbo | yeah. |
| 11:54.50 | bitfix | mount them and see which one ios the home partition |
| 11:55.01 | LonelyDanbo | I got that. |
| 11:55.08 | bitfix | i am guessen hda6 |
| 11:55.14 | LonelyDanbo | they mounted automatically on the live debian. |
| 11:55.19 | bitfix | sda6 of course :D |
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| 11:55.39 | bitfix | mhm, then keep that one, with the data, and ormat the rest |
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| 11:55.50 | bitfix | make one large partition of it |
| 11:56.01 | bitfix | best with a volume group so that you can augment it later |
| 11:56.58 | bitfix | when you are done with it and with copying the files form /dev/mapper/yourcomputer-home to the new partition, you copy the files from the old crunchbang home there to and then erase the the old crunchbang home and augment the partition and the volumegroup |
| 11:57.08 | LonelyDanbo | uhg... but if I mess up... so I should backup the crunchbang partition onto the debian before I try anything. @_@; |
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| 11:57.21 | bitfix | HAHA |
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| 11:57.25 | bitfix | so to speak :D |
| 11:57.53 | bitfix | once more: erase all partitions on sda except for the home partiton |
| 11:57.58 | bitfix | create a new partition there |
| 11:58.13 | bitfix | compy sdb/home to that partition |
| 11:58.23 | bitfix | then install your debain again on sdb |
| 11:58.48 | bitfix | wehn you are done you copy the data from sda/home to /sda/new |
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| 11:59.08 | bitfix | then you delete sda/home and augment sda/new |
| 11:59.16 | bitfix | that a plan? :D |
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| 11:59.45 | eKyNoX | Yo ! |
| 11:59.55 | SirLagz | hi |
| 11:59.59 | bitfix | hi |
| 12:00.01 | LonelyDanbo | maybe I can just copy the debian home into a subfolder on the #! home |
| 12:00.23 | bitfix | yes you can |
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| 12:00.57 | LonelyDanbo | 2.3 GB... well... I guess it's not too bad. |
| 12:00.59 | bitfix | you can also erase all other partitions on sda except for home and then augment the old home partition |
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| 12:01.16 | eKyNoX | is on helper mode, feel free to ask questions ! |
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| 12:01.41 | bitfix | but that would be the "old home partition" then and not a lvm volume... |
| 12:01.55 | LonelyDanbo | ... and that's no good? |
| 12:02.12 | LonelyDanbo | ah crap. |
| 12:03.07 | bitfix | basically it makes absolutely no difference |
| 12:03.20 | bitfix | IF you dont need the functionality and tools of lvm |
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| 12:03.35 | LonelyDanbo | ... do I need those to copy it back? |
| 12:03.41 | bitfix | it has a few nice features, like the onboard tools to shrink and augment data storages |
| 12:04.00 | bitfix | but you can basically acchieve the same thing on ordinary hdds with gparted... |
| 12:04.21 | bitfix | not really...? |
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| 12:05.15 | LonelyDanbo | I need a break. the anxiety is killing me. this new computer is not making my life better. :( |
| 12:05.28 | LonelyDanbo | thanks for the help. |
| 12:05.54 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: DUDE! |
| 12:05.56 | bitfix | wait! :D |
| 12:05.59 | SirLagz | eKyNoX: if you're in helper mode, can you help me with pfsense ? :D |
| 12:06.10 | bitfix | what anxiety, let me talk you out of it! ;) |
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| 12:07.19 | bitfix | eKyNoX: i got one for you too: |
| 12:07.19 | bitfix | i need help really urgently: i had to swap basically all of my hardware; mainboard, cpu, ram, psu. |
| 12:07.20 | bitfix | now, when i try to boot the debian installation, i get exactly NOTHING. no grub no menu no nothing, just a blinking cursor. but the hardware seems to be ok, as i can perfectly mount it with a debian live-cd, i can chroot into it and i can mkinitramfs and grub-install and update-grub worked without problems... so i really don't understand why i get nothing but a blinking cursor, any suggestions highly appreciated! |
| 12:07.50 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: still there buddy? keep your nerve man! ;) |
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| 12:15.50 | LonelyDanbo | oh god. I think reinstalling Debian won't be the end of my troubles. The whole reason it broke was because I think of the graphics drivers I was instructed to install. I think it updated my firmware?? |
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| 12:17.22 | LonelyDanbo | right. nevermind that now. need to fix root. |
| 12:17.34 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: nope it surely didnt, ther is no such thing like a "updatable firmware" on a graphics card |
| 12:18.03 | bitfix | the term firmware refers to seomthing different in debian, they mean basically a driver by that |
| 12:18.16 | LonelyDanbo | k. strange that my USB Debian installer would report the error then. |
| 12:18.36 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: fixing root is not such a big act anymore, now that you have backuped you data! |
| 12:18.48 | LonelyDanbo | right. |
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| 12:18.56 | bitfix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.16 | LonelyDanbo | uh... |
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| 12:19.44 | LonelyDanbo | "firmware: agent aborted loading rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw (not found?)" |
| 12:19.56 | bitfix | yeah... |
| 12:20.04 | bitfix | that would be the network adapter |
| 12:20.16 | LonelyDanbo | this was under "[!] Detect network hardware" which is strange, but... |
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| 12:20.54 | LonelyDanbo | oh. it tried to pull drivers from it's "CD", but it would just repeat the process over and over again like a dozen times asking me the same thing. |
| 12:21.33 | LonelyDanbo | it let me say no, but I don't know what consequences that will have. |
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| 12:22.00 | bitfix | lol |
| 12:22.09 | bitfix | yeah youre putting the horse before the cart |
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| 12:22.20 | bitfix | !tell bitfix about firmware |
| 12:22.58 | LonelyDanbo | so how do I setup my root partition? (or uh... volume?) |
| 12:23.32 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: this is what you are looking for: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:24.18 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: well you have a few options there right now; |
| 12:24.18 | bitfix | now that you have backuped your data, you can erase the whole disk and repartition as you like. |
| 12:24.33 | bitfix | like for example without lvm if that complicatesit too much for you |
| 12:24.56 | themill | itym firmware-realtek not firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:25.06 | bitfix | as said, if you don't need functionalities like spannig volumes across several hard disk and alike you don't require lvm |
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| 12:25.31 | LonelyDanbo | itym? |
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| 12:25.59 | bitfix | themill: thank you there, dude, i had it in the back of my head but couldn't find it, you need to enable some repos in order to obtian that one, right...? |
| 12:26.09 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: i thnk you mean |
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| 12:26.30 | LonelyDanbo | ah. |
| 12:27.08 | abrotman | bitfix: there are other uses for LVM .. it's dumb to assume that spanning is the only feature |
| 12:27.42 | LonelyDanbo | I just wanted the ability to keep my home folder, but maybe that's not very useful. |
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| 12:28.01 | bitfix | themill: since you are ther, i got a real tough one here, and i would really appreciate your help with it: i had to swap basically all of my hardware; mainboard, cpu, ram, psu. |
| 12:28.02 | bitfix | now, when i try to boot the debian installation, i get exactly NOTHING. no grub no menu no nothing, just a blinking cursor. but the hardware seems to be ok, as i can perfectly mount it with a debian live-cd, i can chroot into it and i can mkinitramfs and grub-install and update-grub worked without problems... so i really don't understand why i get nothing but a blinking cursor, any suggestions highly appreciated! |
| 12:28.07 | LonelyDanbo | since I can't seem to redo the root folder easily. |
| 12:28.54 | bitfix | abrotman: i am very well aware of that, and if you hadnt just droped in to call me names, but read up further up, you would notice, that i already mentioned wquite a number of other unctionalities |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | bitfix: I didn't call you names, but thank you.. Have a nice day. |
| 12:29.35 | bitfix | abrotman: it is also dumb to "overwhelm" was the word he used, i believe, a newb with gumcrack that he doesn't need tand that makes his life hard! |
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| 12:30.07 | bitfix | abrotman: "it's dumb to assume that spanning is the only feature" so dumb was a compliment? a nice day to you too, sir! (y) |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | bitfix: When I want to call you names, I will .. |
| 12:30.42 | bitfix | abrotman: go on with already then! :D |
| 12:30.47 | bitfix | it |
| 12:30.53 | themill | perhaps you too should get a room |
| 12:30.55 | abrotman | bitfix: Please work on your own problems instead of complicating others .. |
| 12:31.00 | LonelyDanbo | people often identify with their actions and ideas, so attacking the actions or ideas is taken personally. |
| 12:31.27 | bitfix | LonelyDanbo: who is that directed towards? |
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| 12:31.35 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know. |
| 12:32.01 | LonelyDanbo | I mean, it's easy to take offense to things, but then again things are often meant to be offensive even if they technically aren't. |
| 12:32.08 | bitfix | themill: help me out here, man, are you under the impression that i was calling for this? :D |
| 12:32.24 | bitfix | well... dumb is dumb |
| 12:32.28 | LonelyDanbo | like "I'm not saying YOU'RE ugly, just that your DRESS is ugly. Don't take it personally." |
| 12:32.44 | themill | It'd be good if we could get back to solving technical problems now. |
| 12:32.55 | LonelyDanbo | yeah sorry. |
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| 12:33.29 | bitfix | careful, LonelyDanbo, don't mess wif da channel plice ;) |
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| 12:34.57 | jgrosman | Hi guys, some trouble with the GRUB and Debian install: here is the error I get by trying to install GRUB from live cd after having installed wheezy and not succeed to boot on it. http://paste.debian.net/87097/ |
| 12:35.01 | jgrosman | ayn ideas ? |
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| 12:37.08 | bitfix | jgrosman: any particular reason, why you are attempting to install it to the partition instead of the master boot record? |
| 12:37.24 | bitfix | try /dev/sda instead of sda1 |
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| 12:38.05 | jgrosman | that's the point I guess. I try it and I come back. |
| 12:38.15 | bitfix | jgrosman: WAIT |
| 12:38.24 | bitfix | you are missing a few more things apparently: |
| 12:38.47 | jgrosman | ok :] |
| 12:38.50 | bitfix | if you changerooted into that partition you need to mount /dev to /mnt/dev and sys and proc too |
| 12:38.59 | bitfix | BEFORE you changeroot into it |
| 12:39.20 | bitfix | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 12:39.45 | bitfix | (assuming you have that partition mounted to /mnt) |
| 12:39.51 | eb0t | how can i find out if i am running 64 bit debian or 32 bit |
| 12:40.01 | bitfix | eb0t: uname -a |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | eb0t: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:40.23 | bitfix | elegant :) |
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| 12:40.47 | jgrosman | hmmm |
| 12:40.49 | eb0t | thanks bitfix and abrotman. |
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| 12:40.56 | bitfix | eb0t: np |
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| 12:46.58 | themill | bitfix: (uname -a won't actually tell you that btw) |
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| 12:47.28 | bitfix | hehe, it does if you know how to read the kernel's name... |
| 12:47.36 | themill | no, it doesn't. |
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| 12:47.43 | abrotman | no, it won't .. But I didn't feel like having another useless argument with you |
| 12:47.45 | bitfix | the amd64 mostly gives it away *g* |
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| 12:47.50 | abrotman | So I just gave him the correct answer |
| 12:47.57 | abrotman | bitfix: No, it doesn't .. stop making things up |
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| 12:48.51 | LonelyDanbo | only for AMD? |
| 12:48.53 | eb0t | themill uname -a actually works |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | eb0t: it really doesn't, please trust us |
| 12:49.07 | eb0t | not on debian on my gentoo laptop |
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| 12:49.20 | eb0t | its a nice command |
| 12:49.23 | eb0t | thanks |
| 12:49.24 | themill | eb0t: you can run an entirely different kernel to your userspace. |
| 12:49.38 | nenad | Hi guys, got just one question for KDE users here. I'm new to KDe, and switching up themes. So, does every QTCurve theme out there work on debian KDE, or is it like in gnome, where there's a specific theme for a specific version? |
| 12:49.46 | abrotman | judd: info linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
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| 12:49.48 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 (kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package). Version: 3.2+46; Size: 5.5k; Installed: 37k |
| 12:50.28 | themill | eb0t, bitfix: ^^ I'll leave you to work out what 'uname -a' will say if you were running that kernel. |
| 12:50.31 | SirLagz | abrotman: so would installing that kernel on a i386 machine do absolutely nothing useful ? |
| 12:50.43 | eb0t | nice |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | SirLagz: No, not quite .. |
| 12:51.01 | SirLagz | abrotman: so what would be the point of installing that kernel on i386 machine ? I'm confused =/ |
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| 12:51.22 | eb0t | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:51.27 | themill | SirLagz: it changes the memory that can be allocated, for instance |
| 12:51.40 | SirLagz | themill: ah I see |
| 12:51.52 | SirLagz | so you could theoretically use more than 4gb of ram on a i386 arch machine ? |
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| 12:51.55 | eb0t | thats my output for my debian machine ....i think it states im running i686 |
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| 12:52.08 | abrotman | eb0t: i386 technically |
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| 12:52.12 | themill | eb0t: no, i386. Another reason why uname -a isn't as useful as dpkg --print-architecture. |
| 12:52.12 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 12:52.25 | SirLagz | exec dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:52.26 | SirLagz | oops |
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| 12:52.28 | bitfix | themill: really? can the highmem or what ever kernel override technical limitations of 32 bit systems...? |
| 12:52.28 | bitfix | now i am confused too...? |
| 12:52.31 | eb0t | i386 |
| 12:52.39 | SirLagz | interesting |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | Surprised .. I really am .. |
| 12:52.43 | eb0t | from dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:52.53 | vanila | how do i work out which device my cdrom is, so that I can mount it? |
| 12:52.58 | eb0t | right thanks guys...its a superior command |
| 12:53.06 | abrotman | eb0t: to further complicate things, you can't actually run those on a 386 |
| 12:53.10 | SirLagz | abrotman: what are you surprised at ? |
| 12:53.11 | bitfix | me too, i really am! |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | They're actually compiled for a 486 |
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| 12:53.24 | abrotman | SirLagz: That was sarcasm. |
| 12:53.28 | eb0t | ha ha |
| 12:53.28 | SirLagz | oh right. lol |
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| 12:53.45 | SirLagz | vanila: /dev/sr0 generally |
| 12:53.48 | vanila | thanks |
| 12:55.02 | jgrosman | bitfix: I guess I didn't chrooted [except if that's what happens with a live cd]. Here is what I get http://paste.debian.net/87102/ |
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| 12:55.28 | SirLagz | abrotman: would it be correct in saying that *generally* running a amd64 kernel would mean that you're on an 64bit machine ? |
| 12:55.45 | petn-randall | SirLagz: You can still have 32 bit user space. |
| 12:55.47 | abrotman | SirLagz: yes, but it does not mean that your userspace is 64bit. |
| 12:56.03 | SirLagz | abrotman: yep. got that :) |
| 12:56.09 | SirLagz | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:56.11 | eb0t | then there is the $ arch |
| 12:56.12 | eb0t | comman |
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| 12:56.29 | eb0t | which also states i686 |
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| 12:56.42 | abrotman | eb0t: I'd suspect that's your hardware, not your OS type. |
| 12:56.45 | LonelyDanbo | are web browser bookmarks in /home ? and like history and address bar records? |
| 12:56.49 | eb0t | ah ok |
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| 12:56.50 | SirLagz | petn-randall: yep, I'm running both 32 and 64bit userspace on my main rig :) |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | eb0t: it actually says in the man page, same as 'uname -m' |
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| 12:57.27 | eb0t | ok hardware name |
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| 12:57.44 | petn-randall | LonelyDanbo: Yes. |
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| 12:57.56 | bitfix | i would like to ask how theoretical this discussion is, because i still wonder, how many "userspaces with differing architectures" a newb might have running, who doesn't even know how to determine the architecture ... ? from the sidelines...? |
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| 12:58.40 | SirLagz | bitfix: if they're using Steam, pretty likely. |
| 12:59.04 | bitfix | SirLagz: the "counterstrike" stem you mean? |
| 12:59.12 | SirLagz | bitfix: no...the Valve Steam |
| 12:59.22 | SirLagz | which has a lot more than just Counterstrike. |
| 12:59.31 | petn-randall | bitfix: You can even have 32 and 64 bit user space in parallel. |
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| 13:00.30 | bitfix | SirLagz: yaya, i know! GOOD GUYS, those, valve guys! (y) |
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| 13:01.03 | bitfix | petn-randall: ok, i understand that, i had situations where i had to run such parallel architectures with lib32 compat libraries |
| 13:01.04 | eb0t | seems pretty good for hardware |
| 13:01.21 | bitfix | but i couldn't think of a situation, where that "happens" without you noticing it... |
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| 13:01.30 | eb0t | as long as you know about lm and tm and rm |
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| 13:03.01 | LonelyDanbo | hm. is there any difference between LVM and regular partitions for replacing the root directory partition? |
| 13:03.27 | jgrosman | By reinstalling the grub [dual boot and efi] I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 13:03.41 | bitfix | now one questio to themill, please; i recall the himem kernel for 32 bit operating systems on 64bit machines, to enable them to use more than 3072 (or what) of RAM... how can that work the other way around? with a 64 "compat" kernel on a 32 bit machine? |
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| 13:03.59 | themill | what/ |
| 13:05.36 | bitfix | jgrosman: i suggest the following procedure: mount your hard disk to /mnt, then sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev and sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc and sudo mount /sys /mnt/sys, then you sudo changeroot /mnt, and there you sudo grub-install and sudo update-grub |
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| 13:06.56 | bitfix | themill: (01:51:01 PM) SirLagz: abrotman: so what would be the point of installing that kernel on i386 machine ? I'm confused =/(01:51:27 PM) |
| 13:06.56 | bitfix | themill: SirLagz: it changes the memory that can be allocated, for instance |
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| 13:07.17 | bitfix | how so? |
| 13:07.28 | themill | I have no idea what you're asking. |
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| 13:08.01 | themill | How is it that a 64 bit kernel doesn't suffer from the limitations of a 32 bit kernel? |
| 13:08.45 | bitfix | ok, one more attempt, SirLagz asked you "so what would be the point of installing that kernel on i386 machine ? I'm confused", you answered "SirLagz: it changes the memory that can be allocated, for instance" i do honestly not understand that, but i would be fascinated if it were true! |
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| 13:09.05 | abrotman | can't believe themill is still answering ... |
| 13:09.15 | bitfix | themill: as far as i am informed because it has a 64 bit number of registers to allocate memory instead of 32 bit |
| 13:09.43 | themill | yes |
| 13:09.56 | bitfix | abrotman: what beef do you actually have with me, bro? are you like projecting something or what is it? |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | bitfix: I don't, but I figured he'd have pointed you at documentation by now .. |
| 13:10.18 | bitfix | themill: ok, then there is the problem that this limitation is mnot a logical but a physical one with 3 |
| 13:10.30 | bitfix | oops with 32 bit hardware i meant ot say |
| 13:10.42 | bitfix | he had?? |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:10.51 | bitfix | if so i missed it and apoligize! |
| 13:11.21 | themill | bitfix: if it's booting an amd64 kernel, it's clearly not 32 bit hardware. |
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| 13:11.47 | bitfix | abrotman: that still doesn't explain your beligerance towards me, do you feel threatened by my competence or what is the problem, my geeky phriend? |
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| 13:12.11 | bitfix | themill: err.. ok now i am completely confused... |
| 13:12.18 | jgrosman | bitfix: thanks for your attention. chroot: getting that with chroot /mnt ----- failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 13:12.20 | LonelyDanbo | shit. I shoulda unmounted the drives before trying to modify them for installing Debian. woops! |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | bitfix: I am very much not threatened by your "competence", I can guarantee you that much. |
| 13:12.28 | bitfix | you mentioned above that there is a 64 bit kernel that can run on 32 bit systems, right? |
| 13:12.38 | themill | no |
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| 13:12.53 | jgrosman | [i'm on 64 bit] |
| 13:12.55 | bitfix | jgrosman: you got no bash in your installation?? |
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| 13:13.43 | jgrosman | It does 'find /bin/bash' |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | jgrosman: isn't this a brand new install? |
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| 13:14.13 | jgrosman | abrotman. I did this install this night. |
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| 13:14.32 | jgrosman | Right now, I'm on livecd. |
| 13:14.38 | abrotman | jgrosman: so why not start over and do it correctly? :) |
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| 13:14.55 | abrotman | jgrosman: if your new install has no information you need to save, might be easier just to redo it with grub pointed at the right location |
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| 13:16.40 | jgrosman | abrotman. I did 3 times in fact. Each time at the end of the install devian is finding a windows. it says it successfully installed grub. but after, it load directly windows 8m and from the bios, i do not see any tracks of debian / grub. Maybe it has to do with EFI. |
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| 13:17.04 | jgrosman | During the install. I only choose to partition swap and ext4 / |
| 13:17.08 | abrotman | jgrosman: It asks you where to install grub, what are you choosing? |
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| 13:17.30 | jgrosman | during the install it asks nothing I remembered of. |
| 13:17.32 | bitfix | abrotman: see? ther eit is AGAIN! "so why not start over and do it correctly?" which clearly implies that what i said was WRONG, now please enlighten me in what manner? AGAIN? |
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| 13:17.58 | abrotman | bitfix: please take a time out. |
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| 13:18.36 | abrotman | bitfix: Folks are allowed to propose alternate solutions. The guy has a brand new install. It is possible that doing a reinstall might be far easier on the user. |
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| 13:19.55 | jgrosman | abrotman. I can try to do a new install. But I have to get, what I need to change in the procedure. |
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| 13:20.33 | jgrosman | actually bitfix im interrested in your advices too. it was quite clear and I never went so far. |
| 13:20.35 | abrotman | jgrosman: Does it ask you where to install grub? The MBR or some partition? |
| 13:21.51 | jgrosman | I do not think. Nope, no memory of it, |
| 13:22.03 | Zzeiss | Anybody here have experience with profiling code? GPROF is saying that my code takes 6 seconds, while time() takes 1 min 30 sec. |
| 13:22.04 | jgrosman | I did the graphical install of wheezy 7.4 on usb key |
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| 13:22.25 | vanila | Zzeiss, is gprof giving a breakdown of the differentt subroutines? |
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| 13:23.15 | abrotman | jgrosman: I'm fairly certain it does .. I can check the installation guide if you'd like |
| 13:23.44 | themill | jgrosman: how are you making the usb key> |
| 13:23.55 | jgrosman | abrotman. Nope. I just did it. |
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| 13:24.38 | jgrosman | from windows basically, since I do not have linux |
| 13:24.44 | Brody | hi, ive got a fresh debian install working. I had to install gnome afterwards. Gnome is working but only in the fallback mode. I am running an old machine and the gfx card is particularly old. I thought that this might be causing the problem so I turned off the machine and put in a newer card from a friend. It boots part way , then goes to a blue screen. It gets to the stage where you can choose to boot debian or recovery mode. If you |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | But he'se asking how did you do it |
| 13:24.52 | themill | jgrosman: can you be more specific? |
| 13:25.02 | abrotman | jgrosman: win32diskimager? unetbootin? |
| 13:25.14 | Brody | ..loading initial ramdisk, then a few lines very fast, and then it says ‘waiting for /dev to be fully populated’. After this line the screen goes pure blue with no text. Booting in recovery mode has different lines but ultimately ends in the same blue screen with no text. Im guessing it’s a videocard driver issue, but after googling for a few hours, I cant find the advice im looking for.. |
| 13:25.40 | wols_ | Brody: disable kms maybe? |
| 13:25.47 | jgrosman | I've tryied all these and I stick to another oneb, linux live usb |
| 13:25.59 | Brody | ..should i 'load fail safe default in the bios' and if i do does this risk not being able to boot if i put the old card back in? |
| 13:26.04 | wols_ | Brody: what videocard is it? |
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| 13:26.23 | wols_ | Brody: or videocard(s) if several different ones |
| 13:26.24 | themill | jgrosman: I'm none the wiser as to how you actually put the installer on the usb stick |
| 13:26.25 | Brody | wols_ hiya, the new card is radeon 9000 and the mobo is ga-7va |
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| 13:28.21 | jgrosman | abrotman. themill. linux live usb says it doenst support 7.4 but it does support 7.0. donot have cd on this asus. any idea ? |
| 13:28.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jgrosman about win32diskimager |
| 13:28.59 | wonko | ok, anyone familiar with issues regarding CDP and wheezy? |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | jgrosman: for future reference anyway.. |
| 13:29.00 | Brody | wols_ the old card is not labelled. it says pn 109-41900-10 on the side. its ati and says copyright 1997. |
| 13:29.07 | wonko | cdpr never returns anything on wheezy |
| 13:29.09 | jgrosman | wind32diskimager seemed goodm but it didn't succed last time, I thought it wanted img and not iso. does it accept iso ? |
| 13:29.15 | wonko | some pythong using pcapy and dpkt also doesn't |
| 13:29.20 | wonko | on squeeze those both work |
| 13:29.39 | wonko | if I watch for the CDP ethertype using tcpdump on both sqeeze and wheezy i see the CDP packets just fine |
| 13:29.43 | wonko | so, uhm, huh? |
| 13:30.04 | Zzeiss | vanila: yes, it is. |
| 13:30.13 | jgrosman | abrotman. To answer properly to your question. I think the install does asks me if I want to install GRUB on MBR or not, not more. |
| 13:30.20 | Zzeiss | And they seem to add up as specified, to something like six seconds. |
| 13:30.22 | Brody | wols_ im pretty sure the old card is vesa mach64gt |
| 13:30.30 | vanila | so I think that's telling you the time it's in that function - not its subroutines |
| 13:30.35 | vanila | they're counted separate, yeah |
| 13:30.50 | wols_ | Brody: install the non-free firmware.tho I don't remember any firmware for a r9000 there. I ran a radeon 9000 myself not long ago, worked fine. |
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| 13:31.02 | Zzeiss | But even _main has an entry- six seconds. |
| 13:31.03 | wols_ | oh, it was a 9200 afaik, not a 9000. still |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | jgrosman: Okay |
| 13:31.21 | Zzeiss | That's what's bugging me. |
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| 13:32.08 | jgrosman | Other solution. Can I erase my live usb stick currently plugged in order to write upon a new iso ? As I can do that from live debian directly ? |
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| 13:34.33 | Brody | wols_ during the original install i had to put in a pendrive with a collection of drivers. I have a feeling this might be the one you are talking about. Im afraid i need a bit of hand holding, as I am new to this. |
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| 13:36.43 | sigpwn | does Debian support installing in GPT partition in UEFI systems ? |
| 13:36.59 | linedash | sigpwn, yes |
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| 13:37.18 | linedash | GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda' |
| 13:37.26 | linedash | ~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:37.26 | linedash | 7.4 |
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| 13:38.09 | sigpwn | I used to make bootaable USB using unetbootin. How should I configure and make the bootable USB for Debian wheezy 7.3 if I want it to be installed in GPT ? |
| 13:38.19 | linedash | no idea :) |
| 13:38.26 | nkuttler | hrm, is there a command like du that give me disk usage of all disks combined? |
| 13:38.36 | linedash | nkuttler, df -h |
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| 13:38.55 | SirLagz | sigpwn: just dd the ISO to a USB stick |
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| 13:39.23 | nkuttler | linedash: not really, that's per filesystem? |
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| 13:39.41 | linedash | nkuttler, then string them together using some awk |
| 13:39.44 | SirLagz | nkuttler: you could just du from / ? |
| 13:39.46 | nkuttler | .... |
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| 13:40.12 | linedash | or use df's builtin |
| 13:40.15 | linedash | df --total -h |
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| 13:40.33 | nkuttler | that's the one, thanks |
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| 13:40.46 | linedash | next time, check the manpage |
| 13:40.58 | nkuttler | thanks for reading it for me |
| 13:41.04 | SirLagz | lol |
| 13:41.11 | sigpwn | nkuttler: Don't I need to configure any efi files ? These are the contents of my bootable USB : http://pastebin.com/weAaHUSk |
| 13:41.14 | nkuttler | you could just have read man du though |
| 13:41.24 | nkuttler | sigpwn: i don't think you meant me |
| 13:41.44 | sigpwn | sorry, that was for SirLagz :) |
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| 13:45.20 | mallxs | it keep starting in 800x600 |
| 13:45.32 | jbroome | -geometry WxH set screen 0's width, height |
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| 13:47.24 | mallxs | jbroome: in wha file ? |
| 13:47.34 | mallxs | *what* |
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| 13:49.19 | Brody | wols_ I can get to a screen similar to this: http://media.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/01/GRUB2-boot-to-runlevel-3.png I need to update/install drivers for my new gfx card but I dont know how to. Would reseting my bios be a good idea? |
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| 13:49.41 | jgrosman | abortman. any idea ? |
| 13:49.49 | wols_ | Brody: no. and the drivers don't need updating. debian already ships with them by default and uses them too |
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| 13:50.27 | jbroome | VNC parameters can be set both via the command-line and through the vncconfig(1) program, and with a VNC-enabled Xorg server via Options entries in the xorg.conf file. |
| 13:51.14 | Brody | wols_ so i have some options, reinstall debian from scratch with the new card plugged in from the start, or put in the old card and just use gnome in fall back mode. |
| 13:51.38 | Brody | is that correct? |
| 13:52.16 | joj | Hi all. Could somebody point me to a technical or policy explanation/reason why MESA in Debian isn't currently built with the glamoregl module? |
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| 13:55.39 | wols_ | Brody: no. there is nothing that the new card would need. reinstalling is not necessary |
| 13:56.03 | wols_ | Brody: and you should check the old card what chip it is (lspci -nn would tell you) |
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| 14:03.33 | abrotman | jgrosman: sorry, was in a meeting. Did you get an answer? |
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| 14:18.40 | kruug | how can I clean an `apt-get upgrade`? I have a package that didn't get upgraded properly, but now apt-get is telling me to run `apt-get -f install` |
| 14:18.48 | kruug | and running that command doesn't do anythign |
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| 14:19.03 | petn-randall | !tell kruug -about bat |
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| 14:20.51 | kruug | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/05tSJ4ZX |
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| 14:22.52 | LonelyDanbo | how do I add myself to the sudoers group? |
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| 14:24.57 | petn-randall | kruug: There are several other commands the bot sent you, we also need that output. |
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| 14:29.37 | kruug | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/87122/ |
| 14:29.50 | kruug | that's apt-cache |
| 14:30.21 | kruug | sorry, apt-cache policy |
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| 14:31.13 | petn-randall | kruug: Hmm, the output of 'apt-get install libc-bin' and 'aptitude search ~o' would be useful. |
| 14:31.29 | kruug | petn-randall: sounds good. Will get those next |
| 14:31.32 | mentor | LonelyDanbo: You can use adduser or usermod to add users to groups |
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| 14:32.20 | LonelyDanbo | thanks. |
| 14:32.24 | mentor | kruug, I would suggest running aptitude in curses mode |
| 14:32.37 | kruug | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/87123/ |
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| 14:33.10 | kruug | mentor: how would I do that? |
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| 14:33.26 | petn-randall | mentor: Why should he do that? |
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| 14:34.44 | mentor | petn-randall, To view all dependency issues in one go |
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| 14:35.21 | kruug | petn-randall: it's running `aptitude search ~o` right now. It seems to take a bit of time. |
| 14:35.41 | petn-randall | kruug, also: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:35.51 | petn-randall | The output of both is useful to debug the issue. |
| 14:36.17 | kruug | petn-randall: sounds good. I'll let you know when I have them. |
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| 14:36.59 | Brody | A have a machine with a fresh debian installed. The gfx card is an ati rage pro turbo pn 109-41900-10. Gnome runs in fallback mode and it might be because the card is old. Either way I have this newer card from a friend (radeon 9000) so I thought id give it a go. After plugging it in, grub loads but debian does not load and i get a blue screen with no text. The last message displayed is ‘waiting for /dev to be fully populated’. Ive |
| 14:36.59 | kruug | petn-randall: also, not sure if this matters, but this is a VPS, so I don't have GUI or physical access to the machine. It might also be running a VPS-version of Debian |
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| 14:37.20 | Brody | ..but i cant find a solution. Has anyone got any tips. |
| 14:37.28 | kruug | petn-randall: here's the first one: http://paste.debian.net/87125/ |
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| 14:38.36 | kruug | petn-randall: and here's the second one: http://paste.debian.net/87126/ |
| 14:38.49 | wols_ | Brody: have you installed the firmware as I wrote? |
| 14:38.54 | aemquo | When will Jessie freeze? iirc it was some time November 2014? |
| 14:38.57 | kruug | Thank you for working with me on this one. |
| 14:39.25 | kruug | aemquo: We will freeze at 23:59 UTC on the 5th of November 2014 |
| 14:39.35 | aemquo | Ok, thanks |
| 14:39.35 | kruug | according to http://release.debian.org |
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| 14:40.45 | aemquo | Why is clang going to be secondary, rather than replacing gcc as first? |
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| 14:41.11 | Brody | wols_ I am a bit confused because I thought your more recent messages were saying that you thought I already have done so. Hmm let me find exactly what I put on the pendrive during the install. 2 secs |
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| 14:42.18 | wols_ | Brody: firmware-linux-nonfree in the non free repos |
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| 14:45.55 | tiiv | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.01 | tiiv | I can still login via "not listed" |
| 14:46.05 | tiiv | does anyone know how to debug this? |
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| 14:46.46 | afidegnum | hi, I am looking for somehting... I don't kow what I am looking for ! |
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| 14:47.35 | petn-randall | aemquo: Secondary what? |
| 14:47.45 | aemquo | compiler, iiuc |
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| 14:49.11 | petn-randall | aemquo: Yes, but what do you mean with secondary? You can install it, and use it as your default compiler, if you want. |
| 14:50.43 | aemquo | I mean https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html "clang as secondary compiler". My question was why clang was not going to be the default (primary) compiler. |
| 14:50.50 | petn-randall | kruug: You can remove all those packages found with 'aptitude search ~o', they're obsolete and probably one of them is blocking your upgrade. |
| 14:50.53 | wols_ | is there any linux distro that uses clang for everything? |
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| 14:51.31 | aemquo | Not sure. FreeBSD uses it as default in 10.0 |
| 14:52.11 | wols_ | the kernel certainly isn't "certified" for clang I'd guess. it took them years to leave gcc 2.95 |
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| 14:52.23 | kruug | petn-randall: apt-get remove, yes? |
| 14:53.12 | petn-randall | aemquo: That just means that gcc is used as default compiler for the Debian build servers. I don't know if anything is blocking the transition, probably there's just not enough people who find the transition important. |
| 14:53.23 | aemquo | ic |
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| 14:53.52 | petn-randall | aemquo: *BSD changed to clang mostly for license reasons. |
| 14:55.30 | afidegnum | I know vnc can that but please enlighten me more... is there a way to launch SSH on a remote server from my current SSH terminal ? |
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| 14:56.27 | jelly | afidegnum: an ssh client? just run the command "ssh" with appropriate parameters |
| 14:56.47 | petn-randall | slaps rickyb98 with his camel-leather suitcase. |
| 14:57.17 | afidegnum | jelly but hte problem is when I close this terminal, what I will be doing remotely will also close. |
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| 14:58.01 | petn-randall | afidegnum: screen might (or not) help you with that. Maybe explain what you'd like to do, and what's stopping you from doing it? |
| 14:58.02 | jelly | afidegnum: oh, you want it to keep working? Use screen or tmux. |
| 14:58.03 | peterrooney | afidegnum: look into screen or tmux |
| 14:58.19 | peterrooney | whoops. |
| 14:58.29 | jelly | !win petn-randall |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, petn-randall! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 14:58.49 | afidegnum | screen or tmux, how does it operates? |
| 14:58.53 | petn-randall | does the vicoty dance. |
| 14:59.05 | petn-randall | victory even. |
| 14:59.39 | jelly | viconte? vicodin? |
| 14:59.50 | jelly | !screen |
| 14:59.50 | dpkg | screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen to keep ctrl-a unbroken. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:01.44 | homeboi | !tmux |
| 15:01.44 | dpkg | tmux is a terminal multiplexer. It enables a number of terminals (or windows) to be accessed and controlled from a single terminal and is intended to be a simple, modern, BSD-licensed alternative to programs such as GNU <screen>. http://tmux.sf.net/ |
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| 15:02.58 | LonelyDanbo | great. someone gave me info on how to get my audio working, and I can't find any record of that info. my xchat logs seem to be clipped off, I didn't write it in my text file notes. and my webbrowser history is only the past 2 days. |
| 15:03.01 | homeboi | tm |
| 15:03.14 | homeboi | tmux wins anyday hands down gg no re be sin |
| 15:03.15 | homeboi | c |
| 15:03.32 | homeboi | wat? annoyin enter key destroyin mad convo |
| 15:03.37 | homeboi | :( |
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| 15:03.46 | petn-randall | hands homeboi a few vowels. |
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| 15:04.44 | LonelyDanbo | plus I managed to mess up icedtea plugin for iceweasel by uninstalling it and then reinstalling it. |
| 15:04.51 | kruug | petn-randall: so, how can I remove those programs without fscking the entire system up? |
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| 15:07.25 | LonelyDanbo | someone said like "add this line to this file in this directory" and my sound worked. (although I still couldn't adjust the volume with the mixer) |
| 15:07.34 | LonelyDanbo | and I have no idea how to search for that info now. |
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| 15:08.42 | Brody | wols_ Im getting myself in a right muddle. During the debian install I had to download a 14.5 meg firmware package and put it on a pendrive. The file I needed was rt2561s.bin for my network card. Can you help me work out if I have got the correct firmware package already. Is this package: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree not included? Is this the package I want to get? |
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| 15:10.31 | LonelyDanbo | are there any logs from this chatroom? |
| 15:10.34 | homeboi | LonelyDanbo, do you have by a any chance a copy/paste history applet? |
| 15:10.48 | LonelyDanbo | ... applet? |
| 15:10.55 | homeboi | a clipboard manager |
| 15:11.07 | homeboi | widget, whatever you wanna call it |
| 15:11.08 | jdabinett | clipit/parcellite |
| 15:11.12 | jdabinett | xclip on clie. |
| 15:11.19 | LonelyDanbo | oh. Hm. only if it got backed up when I copied /home. |
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| 15:12.23 | LonelyDanbo | what's Debian have by default? clipman? it's empty. |
| 15:13.05 | LonelyDanbo | I checked my bash history and there's no clues there. |
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| 15:13.32 | LonelyDanbo | I must have manually gone into the directory and edited the text file. (though I'm surprised it didn't reqruire me to open a setting file with sudo or something) |
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| 15:14.11 | jelly | !irc logs |
| 15:14.20 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 15:14.20 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:14.37 | jelly | !irclog |
| 15:14.38 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
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| 15:15.24 | LonelyDanbo | does icedtea 7 not work? I'm trying to install it in the package manager and it says it's broken. |
| 15:16.06 | LonelyDanbo | seems it's just icetea-7-jre-cacao |
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| 15:17.12 | LonelyDanbo | oh, thanks jelly! will take a look. |
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| 15:20.37 | LonelyDanbo | awesome. I know it's here somewhere. |
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| 15:21.41 | kruug | what does `aptitude search ~o` do? |
| 15:21.41 | wols_ | Brody: yes this is the package I meant. if you look at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree you see it has some radeon firmwares too |
| 15:21.53 | LonelyDanbo | found it! |
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| 15:23.56 | Brody | wols_ yes, so ill download that one, reformat my pendrive, chuck this new .deb file onto the pendrive, then I think I will need help for working with the grub command line. |
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| 15:24.57 | wols_ | can you boot your debian or any live cd? if so, that's all you need |
| 15:25.41 | sigpwn | I have been reading http://www.zdnet.com/my-experiments-with-multi-boot-selection-with-uefi-boot-manager-7000013627/. I can't find a /boot/efi folder. How can I access the /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi then ? |
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| 15:26.00 | Deffie | zsh: segmentation fault depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:26.02 | ea | Hello, I have Debian and I am planning to install Windows (on separate hard disks). I also have a few large disks for storage. I would like to format these two extra disks to a filesystem which would give me RW access in both - Linux and Windows7. What FS would you suggest? |
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| 15:26.41 | Brody | wols_ Ive just confirmed that my pendrive already has this file on it after all. But I dont have a live cd or any live media currently |
| 15:27.22 | DotHack | anyone knows how to unmount an nfs filesystem that gives Stale NFS file handle, tried -f and -l already |
| 15:28.07 | sigpwn | I am trying to dualboot windows 7 and Debian 7.4 on a GPT hard disk in UEFI mode. How can I replace the windows boot loader file ( bootmgfw.efi) with the Linux bootloader file ( like the elilo-3.16-x86_64.efi ) ? |
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| 15:28.46 | wols_ | !rescue mode |
| 15:28.49 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
| 15:28.56 | wols_ | Brody: it can also be used to install stuff, not just fix grub |
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| 15:30.23 | LonelyDanbo | ... apparently adduser [me] sudo doesn't let me use sudo. what do I need to do? I can't edit this text file. |
| 15:30.45 | vimel | type su then your root pw |
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| 15:31.02 | LonelyDanbo | I can't load gedit from su though |
| 15:31.12 | vimel | use nano |
| 15:31.27 | vimel | nano /path/to/file |
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| 15:32.28 | LonelyDanbo | thanks. I managed to get that working. |
| 15:32.29 | vimel | ctrl+x to exit out, type y to save, hit enter |
| 15:32.40 | vimel | np |
| 15:32.54 | LonelyDanbo | ... y? I used like ctrl-k to "write out". |
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| 15:33.36 | jonnyw2k-work | If I created a bootable USB from the first debian DVD, could I just copy the files from the 2nd and 3rd dvd onto the same pendrive? |
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| 15:33.50 | vimel | edit the file then exit nano with ctrl+x, it will ask you if you want to save, type y for yes. hit enter. |
| 15:34.00 | jonnyw2k-work | or will I have to use Jidgo to make one iso, and copy that iso straight to the USB |
| 15:34.03 | LonelyDanbo | still, I'd like to be able to sudo. This feels awkward. |
| 15:34.13 | LonelyDanbo | oh, I see. |
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| 15:35.20 | LonelyDanbo | someone told me about those adduser or usermod commands and somehow I did it really easily, but this time it's stumping me. |
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| 15:35.41 | Brody | wols_ oh i see what you mean now, ok awesome. im in rescue mode. Its scanning all my hardware and Ive put my pendrive in ready. Im now at the rescue operation choice menu. Should i execute a shell in /dev/sda1 ? |
| 15:35.42 | LonelyDanbo | maybe I need to relog. |
| 15:35.50 | eb0t | how can i run vlc player from command line in debian |
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| 15:36.02 | wols_ | Brody: chroot into your debian |
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| 15:36.14 | vimel | eb0t: clvc |
| 15:36.23 | wols_ | eb0t: there is a vlc "nox" as in "no Xorg" package |
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| 15:36.37 | eb0t | oh so i need another package |
| 15:36.38 | wols_ | ,v vlc-nox |
| 15:36.39 | judd | Package: vlc-nox on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.2-2~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.1.2-2+b1; sid: 2.1.2-2+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.1.3-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.3-dmo2 |
| 15:36.50 | kruug | petn-randall: what does the `aptitude search ~o` return? Are those old packages that can be removed? |
| 15:37.01 | vimel | eb0t: no. just run clvc /path/to/file that all |
| 15:37.14 | wols_ | eb0t: it's not for watching anything. more like playing with vlc special stuff, e.g. downloading a movie file and such |
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| 15:37.34 | eb0t | ah ok thanks |
| 15:37.38 | wols_ | vimel: I don't see any cvlc here. vlc is installed however |
| 15:37.45 | vimel | np |
| 15:37.53 | eb0t | no its just that i have managed to get onto my debian pc from another pc on the network using ssh |
| 15:37.57 | Brody | wols_ im a noob, but another option i have is to execute a shell in the installer environment |
| 15:38.12 | eb0t | and im at command line and was wondering if i could watch a film on the debian pc remotely |
| 15:38.17 | eb0t | but it doesnt seem to work |
| 15:38.36 | eb0t | i cant find cvlc ..command not known |
| 15:38.58 | wols_ | Brody: and when you are in that shell, you need to have your debian installation mounted and then chroot into it |
| 15:39.30 | wols_ | eb0t: remote X can work but it not very well for watching movies |
| 15:39.38 | wols_ | not even in a hispeed LAN usually |
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| 15:39.51 | vimel | eb0t: it works for me. try to apt-get install cvlc |
| 15:39.51 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 15:40.01 | eb0t | ill install it and see |
| 15:40.24 | Brody | wols_ ive not done this before, so should i execute the shell in the installer environment or in /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 15:40.38 | Sbroker | hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
| 15:42.08 | DotHack | no one? do i really need to reboot this server.. just because a NFS stale file handle.. |
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| 15:44.04 | kruug | I'm trying to update libc6 on Jessie, but I keep getting an error stating that it found a copy of C library in an unexpected directory: http://pastebin.com/q1nWnMe4 |
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| 15:44.31 | kruug | How can I fix this? I tried renaming it, but then no commands would actually work, so I had to rename it back. |
| 15:44.59 | Brody | wols_ /dev/sda1 will be mounted on /target if i choose installer environment. it says if i want to make it my root file system temporarily run 'chroot /target'. |
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| 15:47.22 | spectie | hello all! is there an IRC channel for debian on the mac ? |
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| 15:48.29 | petn-randall | kruug: Those are packages that don't exist in any of your current repositories. So they're all old packages. |
| 15:49.28 | kruug | petn-randall: so, how would I get rid of them without destroying my system? |
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| 15:50.10 | Brody | ah fuck the machine rebooted cus i was taking too long i guess hah. |
| 15:50.19 | Brigo | kruug, you can try to install libc6 with dpkg and --force-all |
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| 15:51.28 | jelly | Brigo: it's almost never a good idea to run dpkg with force options unless you know the exact reasons |
| 15:51.48 | brightkill | spectie: no matter |
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| 15:52.06 | Brigo | jelly, i agree, but i think it can solve this problem |
| 15:52.12 | spectie | i just got a new macbook pro |
| 15:52.14 | jelly | kruug: is the file an actual file or a symlink? |
| 15:52.16 | spectie | and i'd like to install debian |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | Brigo: based on what? |
| 15:52.25 | spectie | but all of the instructions seem to be from 2009 or so |
| 15:52.40 | brightkill | spectie: do you know how to use debootstrap? |
| 15:52.42 | jelly | Brigo: that check is in libc6 preinst script |
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| 15:52.58 | spectie | brightkill, i haven't used it before |
| 15:53.00 | Brigo | jelly, in his paste and his problem description |
| 15:53.08 | brightkill | spectie: and you want to save os x or no? |
| 15:53.09 | spectie | let me look it up |
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| 15:53.17 | spectie | brightkill, unfortunately yes :( |
| 15:53.24 | spectie | i already resized the partition |
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| 15:53.32 | brightkill | good |
| 15:53.42 | brightkill | you can use debootstrap |
| 15:53.49 | spectie | 80G for macos, the rest (176G) for linux |
| 15:53.53 | kruug | jelly: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1595408 Dec 30 2012 libc-2.13.so |
| 15:53.58 | spectie | brightkill, are there instructions online ? |
| 15:54.05 | jelly | kruug: can you paste the actual command you ran and the _whole_ output? |
| 15:54.23 | brightkill | spectie: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap/ |
| 15:54.26 | kruug | jelly: I ran ls -l |
| 15:54.32 | spectie | looks |
| 15:54.39 | kruug | but yeah, I can try to get you all the output |
| 15:55.12 | brightkill | i dont know is it possible to boot from liveusb on mac |
| 15:55.14 | spectie | brightkill, will that give me a properly installed debian that i can boot into ? |
| 15:55.31 | jelly | kruug: I guess you can repeat it if it scrolled off |
| 15:55.40 | brightkill | spectie: you can install grub bootloader |
| 15:55.56 | kruug | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/87134/ |
| 15:55.57 | brightkill | or configure a stock bootloader |
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| 15:57.08 | jelly | kruug: not of ls, silly, of the apt/aptitude/whatever command that resulted in the warning message |
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| 15:57.48 | kruug | jelly: ah, gotcha |
| 15:59.49 | Brody | Is somebody available for a few minutes to help walk me through installing drivers for a new gfx card using rescue mode and the command line please? I have the files on a pendrive ready to go. Alternatively, i think it might be possible to put the old card back in, boot to desktop, install the drivers for the new card there, then turn off, change the cards over and turn on again. |
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| 16:00.24 | kruug | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/87136/ |
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| 16:01.05 | Brigo | Brody, what was the problem? are you using stable? |
| 16:01.52 | jelly | kruug: interesting. what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
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| 16:02.29 | kruug | jelly: amd64 |
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| 16:03.14 | jelly | kruug: alright, so amd64 is the native arch. are there any files matching ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6*.list ? |
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| 16:03.19 | Brody | hiya brigo, Ive installed debian for the first time. I then installed gnome afterwards (had to). gnome is running in fall abck mode (it might be because the card is very old), either way i have this new card from a friend which i thought its worth getting it to work now while the system is fresh. I put the card in and booted but it goes to a blue screen with no text. |
| 16:03.29 | Brody | brigo yes im using stable |
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| 16:03.46 | brightkill | Brody: what card? |
| 16:03.55 | kruug | jelly: there is 1 file |
| 16:04.14 | jelly | kruug: its path being...? |
| 16:04.16 | kruug | http://paste.debian.net/87137/ |
| 16:04.20 | kruug | jelly: ^ |
| 16:04.23 | Brody | brightkill the old card is ati rage pro turbo pn 109-41900-10. The new card is radeon 9000. The mobo is ga-7va |
| 16:04.49 | brightkill | oh |
| 16:05.00 | brightkill | yes, gnome shell does not supported by this card |
| 16:05.12 | jelly | kruug: Hm. For one thing, that doesn't look like a jessie system. |
| 16:05.36 | jelly | kruug: did you mess with multiarch recently? |
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| 16:06.04 | kruug | jelly: not recently, but I do have multiarch installed. |
| 16:06.20 | jelly | kruug: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg base-files" as well please |
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| 16:08.22 | kruug | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/87139/ |
| 16:08.48 | samfisher | hi. I have this ARM box, with no CD/DVD drive, only USB. How can I install debianarmel on it? |
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| 16:09.11 | jelly | samfisher: depends on the particular box. |
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| 16:09.48 | jelly | samfisher: try to find a linux community for this specific hardware |
| 16:10.19 | jelly | or at least the specific SoC used |
| 16:10.20 | Brigo | Brody, do you like to install the drivers anyway? |
| 16:10.23 | samfisher | jelly: why? I see debian is well supported for ARM architectures |
| 16:10.57 | Brigo | samfisher, can your box boot from usb? |
| 16:11.04 | jelly | samfisher: in short, because arm is very, very different from x86 and each board has different ways to install and boot |
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| 16:12.14 | kruug | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/87139/ |
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| 16:15.10 | jelly | kruug: good, this seems to be a pure wheezy (debian 7, current stable) system. |
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| 16:15.16 | confu_sed | Does anyone know why package gnumeric would pull in libbluray1? |
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| 16:15.18 | Brody | brigo google doesnt easily reveal which cards are supported (atleast for me). Are you saying the 9000 isnt supported either? at the moment my machine boots to a blue screen so I think i have 2 options; try to get this card to work or put the old card back in. |
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| 16:15.33 | kruug | jelly: that's good. |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | kruug: anyway. As hacky workaround, you could VERY CAREFULLY rename the /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.something files to libc6:amd64.something, and try to do apt-get -f install again |
| 16:15.58 | kruug | jelly: I renamed it yesterday, and after that, nothing worked |
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| 16:16.04 | jelly | kruug: I'd suggest making a backup of the whole /var/lib/dpkg before |
| 16:16.06 | jelly | ah :-) |
| 16:16.15 | Brody | brigo In my opinion I might aswell try to get this newer card to work now whilst i still have a fresh install etc. So yea i would love to try to get it working :) |
| 16:16.16 | jelly | kruug: how did it fail to work? |
| 16:16.38 | Brigo | Brody, <brightkill> told you radeon 9000 are unsuported by gnome3 |
| 16:16.54 | jelly | kruug: also, can you repeat the URL for "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg base-files", I'm missing that one |
| 16:17.04 | kruug | jelly: oh, I renamed '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so' to '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so.bak' |
| 16:17.04 | Brigo | Brody, so you need to install the drivers, but i not sure about. Is this a r200? |
| 16:17.17 | Brody | brigo it was unclear which card he was talking about, the old one or the new one. but its both hehe |
| 16:17.19 | jelly | kruug: yeah, don't do that |
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| 16:17.41 | jgrosman | Hi guys. Is a Bios Boot Partition compulsory, when having UEFI Bios and dual boot with W8? |
| 16:18.04 | Brigo | afaik the first one runs ok, so i talking about the new ones. |
| 16:18.04 | kruug | jelly: thankfully my VPS host was able to recover it without having to reinstall |
| 16:18.16 | kruug | jelly: also, here is that output: http://paste.debian.net/87142/ |
| 16:18.39 | jelly | nothing out of the ordinary there |
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| 16:19.14 | confu_sed | I did a base install of wheezy and went to install gnumeric and saw that it wanted to install evince, libbluray, hdparm. |
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| 16:19.26 | Brigo | Brody, the radeon 9000, but in debian archives there is no reference to radeon 9000 |
| 16:19.36 | confu_sed | Does it really need those? |
| 16:19.58 | jelly | Brigo: 9000 ought to be an early R200 yes |
| 16:20.22 | jelly | and rage pro is pre-radeon (and pre-r128) |
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| 16:20.53 | kruug | ok, so, jelly. What I'm I doing now? Renaming a file? |
| 16:21.01 | Brigo | jelly, ah, thanks. |
| 16:21.24 | Brody | Brigo, i have put this package onto a pendrive, and it includes quite a few radeon cards so I was going to try that. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree On the card it says: PN 1024-2197-01-SA |
| 16:21.43 | Brigo | Brody, so it looks like your Xorg package driver should be xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 16:21.56 | Brigo | Brody, but these are firmware, not drivers. |
| 16:22.07 | Brigo | we will need them too. |
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| 16:22.12 | cybrNaut | i'm getting trapped in an infinite install loop.. the "starting partitioning manager" step |
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| 16:22.25 | cybrNaut | the preseed file is somehow causing the loop |
| 16:22.46 | jelly | kruug: there's more than one file /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.* |
| 16:22.51 | Brigo | Brody, do you have internet connection? |
| 16:23.01 | Brody | Brigo yes it is connected |
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| 16:23.19 | cybrNaut | i removed all lines in preseed.cfg containing "/dev/sda".. isn't that harmless? |
| 16:23.37 | jelly | kruug: rename them all, consistently, from libc6.* to libc6:amd64.*. Perhaps use prename -n 's/^libc6/libc6:amd64/' /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.* |
| 16:23.41 | Brigo | so try to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon whit apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 16:23.56 | kruug | jelly: does 10 files sound about right? http://paste.debian.net/87144/ |
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| 16:24.15 | Brigo | and then install firmware with dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree.deb |
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| 16:25.05 | jgrosman | Hi guys. Is a Bios Boot Partition compulsory, when having UEFI Bios and dual boot with W8? |
| 16:25.14 | jelly | kruug: yes. prename -n 's#/libc6#/libc6:amd64#' /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.* |
| 16:25.53 | jelly | kruug: (remove -n if the output looks sane to actually do it) |
| 16:25.59 | Brody | Brigo I can get to rescue mode from the Debian DVD. And I can choose to execute a shell from either the installer environment or in /dev/sda1 Am I in the correct place? |
| 16:26.22 | Brigo | yes, not really important. |
| 16:26.29 | cybrNaut | jgrosman: i think so. not sure about the w8 bit though |
| 16:26.54 | Brigo | Brody, sorry, i mistaked |
| 16:27.03 | Brody | brigo do i need to 'chroot /target' first? |
| 16:27.09 | Brigo | Brody, you need execute apt into the system |
| 16:27.18 | Brigo | Brody, yes, chroot at least. |
| 16:27.20 | cybrNaut | jgrosman: it's only 1mb, so not really a sacrifice anyway.. i assume you're using a GUID |
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| 16:27.47 | Brigo | Brody, but your system should be bootable, why dont you boot and go rescue mode? |
| 16:28.16 | Brody | brigo if i boot and choose rescue mode it also goes to a blue screen |
| 16:28.17 | kruug | jelly: so the -n is a test flag? |
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| 16:28.34 | jelly | for prename, yes |
| 16:28.54 | jelly | (many other commands use the same idiom) |
| 16:29.11 | Brody | brigo ok so 'chroot /target' then how do i execute apt into the system? |
| 16:29.34 | Brigo | Brody, ah, i thought it was only in Xorg, not in text mode. |
| 16:29.41 | kruug | jelly: interestingly, there is no output for the prename command |
| 16:29.46 | Brigo | do you get blue screen in text mode? |
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| 16:30.16 | Sbroker | re |
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| 16:30.33 | Brody | Brigo to test this, would i have to boot to the the grub then press alt f2 or something? |
| 16:30.33 | Brigo | Brody, from everywhere. |
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| 16:31.04 | Kal_crunchbang | how do i turn off my computer when using debian |
| 16:31.16 | Brody | brigo im in a command line in rescue mode at the moment using the debian dvd |
| 16:31.22 | kruug | Kal_crunchbang: GUI, or CLI? |
| 16:31.26 | Brigo | Brody, in grub there is a rescue mode menu entry. If you try it, do you get a blue screen? |
| 16:31.30 | Kal_crunchbang | Euther |
| 16:31.32 | Kal_crunchbang | either |
| 16:31.33 | jgrosman | cybrNaut: thanx |
| 16:31.37 | Brody | brigo yes i do |
| 16:31.42 | kruug | Kal_crunchbang: for CLI, it's `shutdown -h` |
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| 16:31.44 | abrotman | Kal_crunchbang: are you using Crunchbang? |
| 16:31.53 | Brigo | so is not the Xorg driver, It is the kernel. |
| 16:31.54 | kruug | though, you may need to sudo it |
| 16:31.55 | Kal_crunchbang | no bodhi :P |
| 16:31.57 | Kal_crunchbang | TROLL |
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| 16:32.20 | kruug | ... |
| 16:32.26 | abrotman | agreed |
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| 16:33.08 | kruug | abrotman: lol... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=108597 |
| 16:33.27 | abrotman | kruug: and what? |
| 16:33.46 | kruug | abrotman: idk...just thought it was funny |
| 16:33.54 | jelly | kruug: not even from the correct "prename -n 's#/libc6#/libc6:amd64#' /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.*" one? |
| 16:34.04 | abrotman | So did I. Not sure why you needed to paste it here though, we have #debian-offtopic for nonsense like that |
| 16:34.29 | kruug | jelly: oh, gotcha. I ran the first one, not that one |
| 16:34.51 | jelly | abrotman: not sure why you think he knew about #debian-offtopic before now |
| 16:35.05 | Brody | Brigo Im guessing thats really bad. Do you think it might be better to just put the old card back in and forget about this new one? |
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| 16:35.33 | kruug | jelly: done |
| 16:35.40 | kruug | looked sane, and ran it |
| 16:35.46 | Brigo | Brody, no, booting from dvd the cards looks good, so may be a parameter from grub |
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| 16:36.16 | jelly | kruug: apt-get -f install ought to show one less W: line, and will probably continue with the libc6 package upgrade |
| 16:36.20 | Brody | Brigo yes I have seen threads talking about the grub parameter screen and I have accessed it. |
| 16:36.35 | bitfix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.41 | abrotman | jelly: /topic perhaps? |
| 16:36.55 | jelly | noone reads the topic! |
| 16:36.55 | Brigo | and try to modify it? |
| 16:37.08 | abrotman | bitfix: like the other 100 times, your message was truncated. |
| 16:37.15 | abrotman | jelly: not my problem? :) |
| 16:37.16 | Brody | Brigo I think I can modify it yes. |
| 16:37.30 | kruug | abrotman: usually I do, but seeing that it was a one off during a conversation, what would be the point of joining a channel, pasting a single link, then parting? |
| 16:37.33 | jelly | kruug: you can do the renamal with those other two W: ... packages to get rid of the warnings |
| 16:37.51 | abrotman | kruug: we could have had a delightful discussion about it :) |
| 16:37.54 | kruug | abrotman: drive-bys like that usually leave bad tastes in peoples mouths |
| 16:37.56 | jelly | kruug: also, not annoying abrotman |
| 16:38.09 | jelly | in the public :-) |
| 16:38.15 | bitfix | abrotman: what's missing? or better what bits can you see? |
| 16:38.15 | bitfix | because for me nothing appears truncated... |
| 16:38.17 | abrotman | Right, but highlighting me with a useless URL is okay? :) |
| 16:38.25 | kruug | abrotman: |
| 16:38.31 | kruug | better? :) |
| 16:38.41 | abrotman | damn cheeseheads .. |
| 16:38.43 | kruug | there was no useless url this time |
| 16:39.34 | kruug | jelly: so, it appears like that worked. Should I then rename those files back? |
| 16:39.47 | Brigo | Brody, should be any parameter like frambuffer= or display= or vga= . May be debian configures it for you all card, and this configuracion fails with this card. |
| 16:40.04 | jelly | kruug: no, this is the preferable and correct state now |
| 16:40.07 | Brigo | Brody, try to delete any parameter about it and then boot. |
| 16:40.12 | bitfix | i had to exchange practically all of the hardware in my computer, cpu, mainboard and ram, now, when i try to boot the debian installation, i get exactly NOTHING. no grub no menu no nothing, just a blinking cursor. |
| 16:40.12 | bitfix | but the hardware seems to be ok, as i can perfectly mount it with a debian live-cd, i can chroot into it and i can mkinitramfs and grub-install and update-grub worked without problems... |
| 16:40.12 | bitfix | so i really don't understand why i get nothing but a blinking cursor, any suggestions highly appreciated! |
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| 16:40.21 | kruug | jelly: awesome. I'm good to go then? |
| 16:40.24 | bitfix | abrotman: can you read it completely now...? |
| 16:40.25 | jelly | kruug: eyup |
| 16:40.32 | kruug | \o/ |
| 16:40.34 | abrotman | bitfix: sadly, yes |
| 16:40.50 | bitfix | abrotman: why can't you quit the insults man? |
| 16:41.12 | abrotman | bitfix: I didn't insult you anywhere. I actually helped you. |
| 16:41.28 | kruug | bitfix: someone pee'd in his scrambled eggs... |
| 16:41.33 | bitfix | abrotman: yeah? how so? |
| 16:41.43 | kruug | by allowing us to see your entire question |
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| 16:41.54 | abrotman | bitfix: By telling you that your repeated message was truncated so that someone willing ot help you could actually read the full issue? |
| 16:41.56 | bitfix | this is the THIRD TIME you insult me today, not counting the one time you muted me |
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| 16:42.15 | kruug | bitfix: ab seems to take the Linus approach tho things. He'll yell and abuse, but he's still right... |
| 16:42.19 | kruug | kinda like Walter |
| 16:42.21 | abrotman | bitfix: Knock it off. |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | bitfix: good luck with your problem |
| 16:42.41 | bitfix | abrotman: mhm that is exceptionally helpful... considering, that the message does not appear to be truncated to me in any matter, so i as so frequently i cannot follow wtf you are speaking off |
| 16:42.43 | centrx | bitfix, Please read http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:43.04 | abrotman | bitfix: that's good for you, the rest of us couldn't read the entire question. It's not my fault you don't understand how IRC works. |
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| 16:43.36 | kruug | bitfix: what client are you using? |
| 16:43.43 | bitfix | kruug: pidgin |
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| 16:43.50 | kruug | bitfix: yeah, there's your issue |
| 16:44.02 | bitfix | but probably the problem lies within me not understanding irc |
| 16:44.06 | kruug | at least, regarding why you can still see everything |
| 16:44.07 | bitfix | hrhrhr |
| 16:44.17 | bitfix | rly? |
| 16:44.19 | zykotick9 | kruug: irssi truncates my "to long" posts as well... |
| 16:44.20 | abrotman | bitfix: should we revisit your "uname -a" works just fine? |
| 16:44.24 | bitfix | pidgin also prohibited in debian? |
| 16:44.31 | kruug | zykotick9: yes, but then you know it's truncated |
| 16:44.37 | kruug | pidgin didn't truncate it |
| 16:44.38 | abrotman | bitfix: prohibited? why? |
| 16:44.52 | bitfix | abrotman you are confusing me with someone, cos that was the other guy who said that |
| 16:45.01 | kruug | bitfix: no, I'm just asaying it's not a good client to use with IRC |
| 16:45.02 | bitfix | and the i really wonder what that has to do with anything now? |
| 16:45.26 | abrotman | bitfix: ah right, my mistake |
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| 16:45.33 | Brody | Brigo it says: load_video // insmod gzio // insmod part_msdos // insmod ext2 // set root=' (hd0,msdos1) ' // search --no-floppy blahblah // afc3a52b // echo 'loading Linux blah blah' // linux /boot/vmlinux blah blah // echo 'loaind initial ramdisk ' // initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 16:45.33 | bitfix | that is a socalled strawman fallacy my friend |
| 16:45.46 | kruug | bitfix: pidgin didn't show you that it truncated your question. A better IRC client would have truncated it letting you know that we couldn't see your entire question |
| 16:45.56 | kruug | that's all I'm saying |
| 16:45.56 | abrotman | bitfix: please just work on getting your problem fixed. thanks |
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| 16:46.11 | kruug | you can stil use pidgin, just don't get mad when it doesn't work the way you want it to |
| 16:46.18 | bitfix | kruug: which is a aluable hint, thanks for it so! |
| 16:46.24 | Brody | When I try to boot normally I see the message 'loading initial ramdisk', then a few lines very fast, and then it says ‘waiting for /dev to be fully populated’. After this line the screen goes pure blue with no text. |
| 16:46.25 | Brigo | Brody, i was talking about press the 'e' key in grub boot menu. |
| 16:46.54 | Brody | Brigo yes thats what i have done, this is the list of setparams |
| 16:47.04 | kruug | bitfix: regarding abro http://i.imgur.com/40Idny0.png?1 |
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| 16:47.24 | Brigo | Brody, echo 'loading Linux blah blah' // linux /boot/vmlinux blah blah // echo 'loaind initial ramdisk ' are set parameters? |
| 16:47.50 | abrotman | kruug: you can use my complete nick .. you won't offend me with a silly picture |
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| 16:47.56 | bitfix | abrotman: i actually am trying to fiy my problem, instead i am having one useless discussion with some preposterous narcissistic misantrop "admin genious" who likes to abuse his privileges... |
| 16:47.57 | Brody | Brigo yes each thing between the // is a new line and each one is in the setparams list |
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| 16:48.09 | kruug | abrotman: I was trying not to ping you with useless links :) |
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| 16:48.46 | abrotman | bitfix: Have a good day. |
| 16:49.06 | Brigo | Brody, so the problem should be in initramfs ... :-m |
| 16:49.23 | Brody | echo 'Loading Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae...' |
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| 16:50.21 | kruug | abrotman: how about this...let the poor guy get some assistance from the channel, and you just put him on your ignore list? |
| 16:50.34 | kruug | no need to be a dick about it |
| 16:50.50 | Brody | linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae root=UUID=87e1d0dd-632a-4c7c-b8a\ |
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| 16:51.00 | kruug | jelly: thanks again. everything is working now! |
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| 16:51.10 | Brody | 3-5d38afc3a52b ro quit |
| 16:51.48 | Brody | echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...' |
| 16:52.02 | Brigo | Brody, may be the firmware too, try to install it from rescue ... |
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| 16:52.22 | Brigo | can you boot again from dvd and chroot ? |
| 16:52.24 | Brody | initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 16:52.30 | Brody | and thats the last line |
| 16:53.09 | Brigo | Brody, yes, there is no graphic reference. |
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| 16:54.14 | jgrosman_ | Going on on my problem! I'm on a Debian wheezy, a fresh new install, but in order to boot on, I needed supergrubdisk. If I do not use that, It directly boots on Windows 8 |
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| 16:54.28 | jgrosman_ | SuperGrubDisk find installed GRUB. |
| 16:54.55 | jgrosman_ | I don't think I have Bios Boot Partition |
| 16:55.06 | jgrosman_ | any idea? |
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| 16:59.24 | centrx | Why does popularity contest have so many installations with "unknown" architecture? |
| 16:59.36 | centrx | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | centrx: possible they were removed architectures? |
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| 16:59.57 | centrx | abrotman, ah, good idea |
| 17:00.08 | abrotman | centrx: I'm not looking at the charts. |
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| 17:00.40 | sigpwn | how can I list the conents of /EFI/ ? |
| 17:01.27 | centrx | It does have a few architectures that I thought were removed |
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| 17:06.43 | Brody | Brigo thankyou very much for the help. Much appreciated |
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| 17:07.06 | Brigo | Brody, did you solve anything? |
| 17:07.57 | Brody | Brigo I havent got further than what you worked out. |
| 17:08.17 | Brigo | Brody, did you install firmware package? |
| 17:08.43 | Brody | Brigo no ive just been googling what you have advised |
| 17:09.27 | Brigo | i think the system are trying to use you old card, so we need to change the configuration. |
| 17:09.47 | Brody | Brigo I have the 14.5 mb firmware package on a pendrive though. |
| 17:09.55 | Brigo | i dont know if we need the firmware, but it will not hurt us :-) |
| 17:09.58 | centrx | "kFreeBSD was a technology preview, and has not generated enough user interest to bring in sufficient install base to continue in this state." |
| 17:10.13 | Brigo | Brody, are the drives for all ati cards :-) |
| 17:10.35 | Brigo | you need only one :-) |
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| 17:11.23 | Brody | Brigo I have this one included on my pendrive as a .deb file https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:11.59 | centrx | "PS: Remember, remember, the fifth of November -- That is when we freeze Jessie!" |
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| 17:12.31 | Brigo | Brody, yes, may be you need to install it, but i think the firmware are needed only for propietary drivers, (but i am not sure so let install it) |
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| 17:13.09 | Brigo | Brody, may be a update-initramfs are enought. May be it configures the vga card automatically. |
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| 17:13.19 | Brigo | but i am not sure too :-) |
| 17:13.45 | Brigo | that are old cards, and so they are tricky :-) |
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| 17:16.05 | converge | does someone knows where can I talk about cloud servers ? |
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| 17:17.07 | centrx | converge, #networking ? |
| 17:17.49 | converge | centrx: thanks |
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| 17:18.06 | converge | I'll try here.. I have 3 sites, with wordpress, magento and a small php system, is this config ok for it ? 2 cores (512mhz), 2gb disk, 512 ram, 512kb internet lint, like 3.000 access/month |
| 17:18.33 | abrotman | converge: which type of cloud technology? Some have their own channel |
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| 17:19.11 | converge | abrotman: I dont know.. what do you mean.. ? |
| 17:19.23 | abrotman | converge: openstack, etc |
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| 17:20.09 | converge | abrotman: like the cloud OS ? |
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| 17:22.12 | LonelyDanbo | k, taking another crack at WINE. For graphics card drivers, do I want 64bit for 64bit Debian, or 32bit for 32bit Windows in WINE? |
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| 17:24.49 | Brody | Brigo righto. so, Im in rescue mode, I am at the execute a shell in the installer environment. |
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| 17:25.27 | Brigo | Brody, first you have to copy the firmwara package to your system disk |
| 17:25.48 | Brody | I have my pendrive plugged into a random usb port |
| 17:26.13 | Brigo | you can first cd to the directory in you pendrive and copy from there, for example. |
| 17:27.25 | Brody | Brigo, ah darn it. I have run out of time. thankyou very much for the help though. I will try to do this another time. |
| 17:27.51 | Brigo | Brody, ok, good luck so. :-) |
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| 17:27.59 | Brody | brigo sorry, thanks |
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| 17:31.22 | jhutchins | At least he's persistent. |
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| 17:32.55 | LonelyDanbo | this WoW WINE guide says I want the drivers for Linux... hm. |
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| 17:33.29 | potatoceleron | well yeah, wine doesn't do windows drivers |
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| 17:33.49 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know what you mean. |
| 17:34.01 | LonelyDanbo | doesn't that mean I need to supply them instead of it emulating them? |
| 17:34.07 | potatoceleron | just windows applications. only ros does windows drivers (and ncdwrapper or whatever it's called) |
| 17:34.17 | zinx | LonelyDanbo: fwiw wine wow is pretty slow |
| 17:34.43 | potatoceleron | drivers are software for hardware. applications are software for users. wine only handles the second part. |
| 17:34.51 | zinx | LonelyDanbo: and, you supply OpenGL drivers, wine translates DX calls to OpenGL ones |
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| 17:35.55 | LonelyDanbo | well, I don't really understand why, but ok. |
| 17:36.24 | potatoceleron | wine translates windows application calls to linux calls. drivers and hardware are still handled by the linux kernel (so no windows drivers.) |
| 17:36.34 | zinx | LonelyDanbo: technical issues, basically |
| 17:36.43 | MO_Handes | I connect to my debian vps via ssh and then connect to a ftp server using lftp, after starting the upload/download, I like to close the ssh terminal and power of my computer and let the lftp transfer be running in the background in the remote computer, how? |
| 17:37.06 | LonelyDanbo | oh, DX isn't like Direct3D or whatever the alternative to OpenGL is... |
| 17:37.41 | rotaticus | MO_Handes: tmux / screen is what you want |
| 17:38.08 | jhutchins | LonelyDanbo: Generally your time is better spent figuring out how to achieve your actual goals using native Linux applications. |
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| 17:38.27 | potatoceleron | jhutchins: agreed, but what's the native linux version of WoW called? |
| 17:38.39 | LonelyDanbo | there isn't one. |
| 17:39.02 | jhutchins | There are Linux compatible games like Planeshift. |
| 17:39.36 | potatoceleron | figures if there is even one thing wine is suitable for, it's gaming (most gamers wouldn't agree, but at least some people try) |
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| 17:40.14 | jelly | and cxoffice explicitely supports some two dozen popular titles |
| 17:40.19 | MO_Handes | rotaticus, more info? or any other ways? |
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| 17:40.26 | potatoceleron | it'll be nice when people are using steam i guess (i won't, since i'm not really interested in proprietary software, or gaming at all) |
| 17:40.30 | Elemeno-Work | Theres a hefty chunk of Steam games that work on Linux |
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| 17:40.39 | jelly | Elemeno-Work: fsvo work |
| 17:40.49 | jhutchins | MO_Handes: screen |
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| 17:40.59 | Elemeno-Work | CS 1.6, CSS, Rust... |
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| 17:41.06 | Elemeno-Work | fsvo? |
| 17:41.33 | jelly | Elemeno-Work: obscure display or input-device bugs |
| 17:41.36 | jelly | !fsvo |
| 17:41.37 | dpkg | somebody said fsvo was For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
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| 17:42.26 | jhutchins | MO_Handes: There are other ways, you can use nohup or disown, but screen gives you a persistent console you can re-connect to and see the normal dialog. |
| 17:42.26 | potatoceleron | always thought it was "for some" |
| 17:42.26 | rotaticus | MO_Handes: tmux is a terminal multiplexer: it enables a number of terminals to be created, accessed, and controlled from a single screen. tmux may be detached from a screen and continue running in the background, then later reattached |
| 17:42.49 | potatoceleron | finds screen easier to work with than tmux, but both are useful |
| 17:42.54 | LonelyDanbo | the nVidia driver want's me not to install it in an x ... uh, what was it. |
| 17:43.14 | LonelyDanbo | x server. |
| 17:43.15 | jhutchins | MO_Handes: tmux is more oriented toward multiple simultaneously visible sessions, but that can be done with screen too. |
| 17:43.37 | jelly | LonelyDanbo: avoid using nvidia's own installer on debian |
| 17:43.39 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 17:43.40 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:43.44 | LonelyDanbo | is that just what it's doing when I'm running root using "su" on another account? |
| 17:43.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell LonelyDanbo about nvidia dkms |
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| 17:44.01 | rotaticus | i came from screen but now i'm all tmuxxed |
| 17:44.30 | HazardX | is there a simple way to queary if a disk is in a cd drive without actually mounting it? (something like a probe command with eject?) |
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| 17:44.53 | potatoceleron | LonelyDanbo: in order to use nvidia's installer (which you don't want to do) you'd have to download it from nvidia's website |
| 17:45.04 | potatoceleron | if you've done that, you probably know it |
| 17:45.38 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know how to make sense of it all... you say not to use nVidia's driver. another website says not to use the Linux one. |
| 17:45.55 | potatoceleron | different websites for different users in different situations |
| 17:46.12 | potatoceleron | in here you will probably only get advice for running it on debian. |
| 17:46.21 | LonelyDanbo | I hope installing the linux driver doesn't destroy my Debian installation like last time. |
| 17:46.24 | potatoceleron | you could always ask someone in #wine (i don't know if that channel exists) |
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| 17:46.45 | LonelyDanbo | I tried just joining #wine on this server and it was private. |
| 17:46.50 | potatoceleron | it takes a lot more than that to destroy an installation. but it might temporarily screw it up. |
| 17:47.23 | potatoceleron | once you've screwed up a debian installation, there are all kinds of things you can do to fix it back up |
| 17:47.31 | mallxs | Hi i'm still struggling with xrdp; on wheezy i have version 0.5.0 ... how do i get a newer backport ? |
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| 17:47.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mallxs about ssb |
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| 17:47.51 | LonelyDanbo | "temporarily", as if I would know how to fix it from a plain terminal with no access to a web browser (and IRC, hahah. uhg. so pathetic.) |
| 17:47.55 | mallxs | thx |
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| 17:48.27 | mtn | LonelyDanbo: Wine support is at #winehq on the freenode server and http://www.winehq.org/ |
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| 17:49.00 | LonelyDanbo | thanks, mtn. |
| 17:49.06 | mtn | LonelyDanbo: yw |
| 17:49.10 | potatoceleron | LonelyDanbo: you have more than one computer, you can do this if you want/need to. just try to keep one of them online |
| 17:49.40 | LonelyDanbo | would wineHQ's website said to install a newer version of WINE that's not supported, so... |
| 17:49.52 | LonelyDanbo | I don't have more than one computer any more. |
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| 17:50.08 | potatoceleron | ah, well that's different |
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| 17:50.20 | LonelyDanbo | I fried my CrunchBang installation trying to update it. |
| 17:50.29 | potatoceleron | sorry to hear it |
| 17:50.47 | LonelyDanbo | guess I should try to fix it. course then I won't have the backup HDD in my new PC. :| |
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| 17:51.10 | potatoceleron | you need a good livecd/dvd |
| 17:51.39 | LonelyDanbo | oh right. I have that. |
| 17:52.00 | potatoceleron | and then learn some fixit skills, which are invaluable |
| 17:52.28 | LonelyDanbo | I like to get things running, and then just use them for years and years the same way. :) |
| 17:52.35 | potatoceleron | being comfortable in the command line means you're probably always comfortable. |
| 17:53.00 | potatoceleron | oh yeah, but some jerk always comes along and changes something. if you run updates, sooner or later something changes. |
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| 17:53.11 | potatoceleron | and if you don't run updates, sooner or later someone else takes over anyway |
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| 17:53.29 | potatoceleron | (sometimes much, much much later) |
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| 17:54.00 | potatoceleron | for example, i knew when i could stand to run firefox, i mean abrowser, i mean iceweasel. |
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| 17:54.33 | potatoceleron | mozilla has some really pigheaded devs. oh i'm sure most are great, but between the guy that invented javascript, and the guy that took the option to turn it off from a dialog... |
| 17:54.56 | potatoceleron | never uses any brand of ff when it can be avoided |
| 17:55.11 | LonelyDanbo | I gotta look for a new web browser too? |
| 17:55.16 | potatoceleron | no! |
| 17:55.22 | potatoceleron | it's fine for most people. |
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| 17:55.34 | potatoceleron | isn't most people |
| 17:55.42 | LonelyDanbo | ah. |
| 17:55.59 | potatoceleron | it was a pita trying to find something else that was suitable |
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| 17:58.20 | roger21 | how do i look for packages from a tag? |
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| 17:58.47 | roger21 | from cli or from web, don't care |
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| 17:59.09 | roger21 | ther's nothing about tags here https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:59.16 | abrotman | roger21: using debtags you mean? |
| 17:59.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell roger21 about debtags |
| 17:59.59 | roger21 | wel woithout having to install something preferably |
| 18:00.14 | roger21 | (i don't have debtags apparently) |
| 18:00.17 | abrotman | debtags is pretty small, but I think the debtags website allows you to search |
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| 18:01.09 | roger21 | i see, let's check taht |
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| 18:02.06 | potatoceleron | it would be nice if i could look find the xdg menu categories from apt-cache search |
| 18:02.19 | potatoceleron | but they're probably in the package, not the apt list |
| 18:02.42 | potatoceleron | wait. apt list is by category though? |
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| 18:02.52 | roger21 | ok it sucks |
| 18:02.54 | roger21 | hard |
| 18:03.40 | dondelelcaro | roger21: the website? |
| 18:03.43 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty easy to use |
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| 18:04.00 | roger21 | it return nothing, for exemple devel::bugtracker |
| 18:04.34 | potatoceleron | wonders if anything gives more information than apt-cache dump |
| 18:04.43 | dondelelcaro | roger21: that's not a tag, though. http://debtags.debian.net/search/bytag |
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| 18:05.09 | LonelyDanbo | is the command dpkg gave me for the nvidia driver good for all nvidia cards? I'm wondering if I should look for something else. I'm hoping it was just a brief stop in my Debian installation USB drive that broke Debian (I didn't actually start any installation. I just wanted to see if it would load the proper CD image) |
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| 18:05.50 | roger21 | oh you have to tel you give it a tag ... |
| 18:05.54 | roger21 | tag:devel::bugtracker |
| 18:06.03 | roger21 | so dumn |
| 18:06.08 | dondelelcaro | roger21: http://debtags.debian.net/search/bytag?wl=devel%3A%3Abugtracker%2Cworks-with%3A%3Abugs&bl=role%3A%3Adevel-lib&tq=bug |
| 18:06.17 | paddy | roger21: do you know the program packagesearch already? |
| 18:06.23 | paddy | it makes use of debtags |
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| 18:06.46 | dondelelcaro | for example, aptitude search '~Gdevel::bugtracker' |
| 18:07.14 | paddy | packagesearch is nicer |
| 18:07.19 | potatoceleron | LonelyDanbo: if you can let the installer take care of your setup, you can install better nvidia support after the install |
| 18:07.43 | LonelyDanbo | "the installer"? the one from dpkg, or something else? |
| 18:08.02 | potatoceleron | :( |
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| 18:08.10 | roger21 | i don't get nothing what you ppl say, all i have is a package that have several "tags" from here https://packages.debian.org/about/debtags#devel::bugtracker and i want all packages with one of those "tags" |
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| 18:08.14 | potatoceleron | the debian installer? for the distro? |
| 18:08.18 | maggysimp | hello |
| 18:08.20 | roger21 | that shouldn't be that complicated |
| 18:08.26 | LonelyDanbo | no, I already used the installer to reinstall Debian. I just don't want to have to do it again if I break Debian. |
| 18:08.27 | paddy | ok, you are not listening. alright |
| 18:08.39 | dondelelcaro | roger21: yes, you can either get it from debtags, or using aptitude search '~Gdevel::bugtracker'; |
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| 18:08.43 | dondelelcaro | roger21: it's pretty simple. |
| 18:09.01 | potatoceleron | if you change your video card support, there is never a guarantee it won't break something |
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| 18:09.33 | Pei | reooted my server, when i try to start mysql now i get; |
| 18:09.35 | Pei | start: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 18:09.37 | paddy | dondelelcaro: hi master :P |
| 18:09.40 | Pei | any ideas |
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| 18:12.26 | talo | hi |
| 18:12.31 | paddy | hi |
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| 18:14.08 | centrx | !hi |
| 18:14.09 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
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| 18:15.05 | LonelyDanbo | I do remember when I tried to run this, it said it couldn't do the part at the end about mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 18:15.26 | potatoceleron | LonelyDanbo: you can do that manually as root |
| 18:15.46 | LonelyDanbo | hm. maybe I should run it from root instead of this user account. |
| 18:16.02 | LonelyDanbo | maybe the problem was I used sudo instead of su...? |
| 18:16.08 | potatoceleron | i think you need to be root to write to that folder |
| 18:16.25 | potatoceleron | dunno. you used sudo? |
| 18:16.29 | LonelyDanbo | yeah. |
| 18:16.34 | potatoceleron | might be fine. |
| 18:17.00 | potatoceleron | try sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 18:17.11 | potatoceleron | it might already exist though |
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| 18:17.23 | subz3r0 | hi |
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| 18:19.25 | jelly | LonelyDanbo: you're meant to run it as root. sudo works differently with redirections (well, the shell does) |
| 18:19.34 | neo1691 | Does systemd has to do anything with shutdown, reboot, hibernate and suspend? |
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| 18:20.07 | dondelelcaro | neo1691: yes. |
| 18:20.07 | potatoceleron | jelly: i always wondered if there were things you must be root for, that sudo can't do |
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| 18:20.29 | jelly | potatoceleron: there are things to learn about sudo to use it correctly |
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| 18:20.47 | potatoceleron | jelly: if only dpkg could tell me what they are |
| 18:20.59 | LonelyDanbo | k, off I go... again. thanks. |
| 18:21.04 | potatoceleron | is always up for reading a howto |
| 18:21.12 | dondelelcaro | potatoceleron: the main thing is sudo only affects the commands that it is running |
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| 18:21.29 | dondelelcaro | potatoceleron: so sudo foo > some_file_only_root_can_write_to; won't work |
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| 18:21.33 | cat_pants | Hi folks. I'm trying to run the following as a late command in preseed.cfg: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90389/how-to-upgrade-debian-stable-wheezy-to-testing-jessie . I can prepend /target to the path names as needed, but do I need to chroot to my install in order to run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:21.44 | jelly | potatoceleron: heh, teaching how >> and > works in a shell can't really fit into a dpkg 250 character factoid |
| 18:22.00 | potatoceleron | dondelelcaro: i've noticed such behavior but wasn't sure it wasn't just me-- thanks |
| 18:22.01 | dondelelcaro | potatoceleron: but sudo sh -c 'foo > some_file_only_root_can_write_to'; will, or sudo foo | sudo tee ome_file_only_root_can_write_to >/dev/null; will. |
| 18:22.12 | neo1691 | dondelelcaro: I am using i3, I want to shutdown, or suspend from i3 itself. Do I really need systemd? |
| 18:22.32 | dondelelcaro | neo1691: i3wm? |
| 18:23.02 | potatoceleron | dondelelcaro: that makes sense i think |
| 18:23.25 | dondelelcaro | neo1691: I don't think you have to have it for that; it's just that systemd can be involved in all of those things |
| 18:23.35 | dondelelcaro | neo1691: but I don't use i3wm, so I wouldn't know |
| 18:23.54 | potatoceleron | but i think that /could/ fit into 250 *shrug* |
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| 18:24.02 | tremon | cat_pants: the installer has a chroot wrapper (in-target) for such things, but what you're trying to do is prone to breakage |
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| 18:24.49 | jelly | !sudo redirection |
| 18:24.50 | dpkg | <sudo> can run a command as root but what is a "command"? "sudo foo > /etc/bar" will give you "-bash: /etc/bar: Permission denied". Your shell splits "sudo foo > /etc/bar" into "run the command sudo with the argument foo" and then "stick the output into /etc/bar"; it's your own shell (not sudo!) that will create /etc/bar and it doesn't have permission to do so. Use «su -», «sudo -i», «foo | sudo tee /etc/bar». |
| 18:24.53 | nonconvergent | hey, can someone help me install a *.sty latex package? |
| 18:24.57 | nonconvergent | I'm not sure how. |
| 18:25.05 | jelly | potatoceleron: whaddayaknow |
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| 18:25.14 | potatoceleron | :) |
| 18:25.19 | dondelelcaro | nonconvergent: in general, Debian packages most of them |
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| 18:25.38 | dondelelcaro | nonconvergent: but otherwise, you just need to stick it in some directory that kpathsea works with |
| 18:25.54 | potatoceleron | wow, no offense but dpkg explained it just slightly more perfectly than you guys |
| 18:26.03 | potatoceleron | but thanks to the three of you |
| 18:26.14 | nonconvergent | dondelelcaro: It doesn't have the third edition clrscode3e, also I'm on a machine that doesn't have whichever package the second edition is hidden in. |
| 18:26.32 | jhutchins | potatoceleron: That's what we keep dpkg around for. |
| 18:26.36 | potatoceleron | is really going to have to download infobot |
| 18:26.38 | neo1691 | dondelelcaro: Yes i3wm! Anyways thanks |
| 18:26.50 | paddy | potatoceleron: dont do it. you will hurt yourself |
| 18:27.01 | nonconvergent | ah, texlive-science |
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| 18:27.08 | potatoceleron | paddy: don't worry, i don't want to run it in irc. |
| 18:27.15 | nonconvergent | dondelelcaro: kpathesea? |
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| 18:27.28 | potatoceleron | was hoping to use it/hack it to work offline |
| 18:27.30 | paddy | the bot dpkg is patched. even tho the bot is hardly usable |
| 18:27.33 | dondelelcaro | nonconvergent: right; if you don't have root, stick it in something like ~/lib/temf/tex/latex, and then set TEXMFCONFIG=~/lib/texmf and TEXMFHOME=~/lib/texmf |
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| 18:27.51 | nonconvergent | I have root. |
| 18:27.53 | potatoceleron | paddy: patches are private eh? |
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| 18:28.02 | dondelelcaro | nonconvergent: then best to install the package if it exists |
| 18:28.11 | nonconvergent | dondelelcaro: But it's out of date. |
| 18:28.15 | potatoceleron | paddy: i'd be happy to just have the db of text responses. |
| 18:28.26 | nonconvergent | And I want the current features. |
| 18:28.35 | paddy | !factoids |
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| 18:28.35 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 18:28.43 | paddy | there :) |
| 18:28.53 | potatoceleron | sw.ee.t |
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| 18:29.48 | subz3r0 | never did a upgrade from version to version(stable) with debian. how does it work? |
| 18:29.56 | subz3r0 | like from v6 to v7? |
| 18:30.20 | subz3r0 | i guess i dont have to reinstall it? |
| 18:30.20 | subz3r0 | :> |
| 18:30.32 | centrx | dpkg: tell subz3r0 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:31.06 | cat_pants | tremon: Thanks! So I was told that the right way to install testing is via the stable installer. Is that incorrect? |
| 18:31.33 | jhutchins | subz3r0: It works pretty well as long as you've stuck to the official repositories. It's a good idea to do it fairly soon after the release, you don't want the old version to get too many layers old. |
| 18:31.35 | babilen | cat_pants: Neither, you should install stable first and take it from there. |
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| 18:31.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell cat_pants -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:32.36 | babilen | cat_pants: s/jessie/testing/ if you want that. You will, almost certainly, want to configure your system in such a way that you can pull packages from unstable too. See <tum> for details and please let us discuss further details in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:32.37 | cat_pants | I know how to do an upgrade from wheezy to jessie, but I'm trying to do an automated install via preseed |
| 18:32.38 | tremon | cat_pants: no, that's correct. But what you're doing requires an unattended upgrade from stable to testing, which means you not only have to preseed the installer, but also all questions that might get asked during the dist-upgrade |
| 18:33.13 | tremon | and since testing is very much a moving target, I doubt you'll get that working for more than a month before something breaks again |
| 18:33.22 | babilen | indeed |
| 18:33.24 | cat_pants | Ah, so it's not possible to do a preseeded install of testing? |
| 18:33.41 | tremon | I don't think it's easy to maintain |
| 18:33.58 | babilen | cat_pants: You *can* use try using the testing installer and preseed that. It might work or it might not. |
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| 18:34.42 | tremon | possible, maybe. But it will require ongoing maintenance |
| 18:35.03 | paddy | potatoceleron: btw - have you noticed there is free books in the debian archive? e.g. the "debian-handbook" |
| 18:35.23 | babilen | ... which is a wonderful book |
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| 18:36.11 | potatoceleron | paddy: i have the debian handbook on a variety of devices, but the snippets appear less daunting (i'd love to read the whole thing) |
| 18:36.49 | tremon | cat_pants: that's not to say that you shouldn't just try it -- just know what to expect :) |
| 18:36.50 | potatoceleron | i'm not sure 14mb of snippets actually is less daunting, but... |
| 18:37.27 | paddy | maybe we should compile a "Tips & Tricks" version of the database :o) |
| 18:37.33 | potatoceleron | only switched all his stuff to debian since wheezy |
| 18:37.37 | cat_pants | Understood. Thanks for the help folks! |
| 18:37.52 | paddy | nice |
| 18:37.54 | potatoceleron | paddy: if i weed through the archive i'll link to a copy of the weeded version |
| 18:38.20 | potatoceleron | i even have a pengpod running wheezy |
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| 18:38.49 | potatoceleron | though the touchscreen is really, really... |
| 18:38.59 | potatoceleron | has a mouse |
| 18:39.13 | LonelyDanbo | whew. Debian still somehow works. It caused those network hardware errors again and crashed when I tried to log out of root, but didn't stop Debian from starting up. |
| 18:39.32 | potatoceleron | LonelyDanbo: crashed? |
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| 18:39.49 | LonelyDanbo | it just froze. I don't even remember the text on the screen. |
| 18:39.54 | DammitJim | what does one call a server that sits in the middle of 2 servers so that one can transfer files from one to the other |
| 18:40.09 | DammitJim | by placing files into this server and retrieving them from the other |
| 18:40.12 | tremon | DammitJim: a srv in the middle? |
| 18:40.12 | DammitJim | staging? |
| 18:40.20 | potatoceleron | DammitJim: nfs? |
| 18:40.33 | DammitJim | I do wonder if I should have an nfs share |
| 18:40.35 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
| 18:40.41 | LonelyDanbo | so I hit ctrl-alt-del and it put out more text saying it was restarting. |
| 18:40.56 | potatoceleron | what's the new networked storage unit called |
| 18:41.08 | LonelyDanbo | but during installation of the drivers I got 8 varities about: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 18:41.16 | DammitJim | it's so that we can copy stuff from the production environment to test |
| 18:41.28 | DammitJim | but without moving stuff directly from one to the other |
| 18:41.38 | potatoceleron | DammitJim: network attached storage (nas) |
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| 18:41.52 | DammitJim | I guess this is more of a topology question |
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| 18:42.03 | DammitJim | not looking for the technology used, just what one calls a server like that :D |
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| 18:42.06 | AmbiguousOutlier | do i need to mount my drives in fstab before assemble using mdadm |
| 18:42.16 | tremon | DammitJim: a file server |
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| 18:43.04 | tremon | LonelyDanbo: there is a firmware-realtek package in non-free |
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| 18:43.53 | LonelyDanbo | and I needed to enable non-free repositories to install this... but will the error go away when I turn off the non-free repositories? :| |
| 18:44.03 | LonelyDanbo | or did it sneak in. |
| 18:44.44 | tremon | the error will go away when you have installed the firmware-realtek package. Whether you do that by enabling non-free or manually downloading that single package doesn't matter |
| 18:45.18 | tremon | but if you do not keep non-free in your sources.list, the package will obviously not receive any updates |
| 18:45.34 | LonelyDanbo | ... |
| 18:45.53 | LonelyDanbo | but it wasn't giving this problem before I enabled the non-free repository. |
| 18:46.53 | LonelyDanbo | maybe it's why my audio doesn't work by default either. :| |
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| 18:47.14 | tremon | it's not an error, it's a hint. It's possible (but I'm not sure) that the message is generated by the generic firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 18:58.45 | Knaldgas | Hmm, did a "aptitude full-upgrade" on my Squeeze, and when it came to mysqld I got: "/sbin/insserv: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" |
| 18:59.21 | Knaldgas | Any idea what happened, and how to recover? - I tried to "aptitude reinstall mysql-server" but same result |
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| 19:00.02 | jaybe | Knaldgas, if its ok to blow the previous installation away, you could try purging the previous mysql* packages and then attempt a clean install of mysql. |
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| 19:03.48 | Knaldgas | jaybe: Just tried, same result. Should add that multiple packages failed: "mysql-server-5.1 apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 php5 mysql-server apache2-mpm-prefork apache2" |
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| 19:04.38 | jaybe | Knaldgas, i'm not show how/why `insserv` is involved. seems unrelated to such efforts. perhaps take a look at the `insserv` package. |
| 19:04.42 | jaybe | s/show/sure/ |
| 19:05.19 | tremon | Knaldgas: do you get the same error running insserv -s or insserv -vn? |
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| 19:05.54 | tremon | looks like you have an error in one of your init scripts or the insserv config file |
| 19:07.32 | Knaldgas | tremon: DUH - "bash: /sbin/insserv: cannot execute binary file" |
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| 19:08.32 | tremon | that can't be good. can you still ldd /sbin/insserv, or at least file /sbin/insserv? |
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| 19:09.05 | Knaldgas | The first 2944 bytes of /sbin/insserv is zero |
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| 19:09.28 | Knaldgas | ldd /sbin/insserv -> not a dynamic executable |
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| 19:10.17 | tremon | yeah, that's not what it's supposed to be. If you have the insserv package still in /var/cache/apt, I'd manually reinstall it with dpkg |
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| 19:11.24 | Knaldgas | tremon: I've just reinstalled it with "aptitude reinstall insserv" and everything got solved :-) |
| 19:11.43 | Knaldgas | Any idea how that can happen? |
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| 19:13.04 | tremon | no. it's unlikely to be a kernel bug, but I can't image what would cause a binary to be half-filled with zeroes |
| 19:13.08 | tremon | ran fsck recently? |
| 19:13.14 | dondelelcaro | Knaldgas: that usually means that something bad happened to either your drive or the filesystem |
| 19:13.21 | jelly-home | or memory contents! |
| 19:13.26 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 19:13.54 | Knaldgas | *shiver* - Checking... |
| 19:14.01 | jelly-home | would run debsums to see if it's going to catch anything else that's broekn |
| 19:14.10 | tremon | good idea |
| 19:14.14 | dondelelcaro | though usually memory contents would be a single bit error |
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| 19:17.26 | jelly-home | 23*128 bytes is perhaps a weird number for a silent write corruption |
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| 19:18.02 | jelly-home | Knaldgas: ssd or hdd? |
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| 19:18.08 | Knaldgas | 8 major errors on RAID 1... |
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| 19:18.16 | Knaldgas | hdd |
| 19:18.22 | tremon | well at least it's raid1 |
| 19:18.53 | jelly-home | yeah, if two disks have different bits, how do you figure out which one is correct |
| 19:19.07 | Knaldgas | Well, apparently it didn't save this one, and how come it didn't put a mail to me... *ponder* |
| 19:19.11 | frostschutz | take every other bit of each |
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| 19:19.34 | Knaldgas | At least my production machine is running RAID 6 |
| 19:20.05 | jelly-home | The Ramans do everything in threes? |
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| 19:21.52 | Knaldgas | is feeling stupid! |
| 19:22.12 | Knaldgas | Major was the Major/minor number of the raid devices *blush* |
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| 19:23.28 | Knaldgas | debsums checked out fine |
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| 19:25.08 | Knaldgas | Can I run a file system check on a running XFS partition? |
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| 19:26.58 | Knaldgas | Anyway, I'll continue checking - Thanks a lot for your help all! |
| 19:28.02 | AmbiguousOutlier | fdisk is only allocating 2T to a 3T disk? |
| 19:28.13 | wols_ | Knaldgas: only if the filesystem is mounted read only |
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| 19:28.30 | wols_ | AmbiguousOutlier: you need GPT partition tables for 3TB disks |
| 19:28.35 | Knaldgas | No, it's RW |
| 19:28.42 | wols_ | Knaldgas: then you can't |
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| 19:28.53 | wols_ | unless you want to risk corruption and data loss |
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| 19:29.09 | Knaldgas | Hehe, that's exactly what I want to prevent :D |
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| 19:29.41 | AmbiguousOutlier | wols_: is that cli tool, i don't have a desktop |
| 19:29.59 | jelly-home | AmbiguousOutlier: parted. |
| 19:30.19 | jelly-home | AmbiguousOutlier: or use the whole disk for LVM or something else and don't partition it at all |
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| 19:30.46 | jelly-home | does not bother with partitions for storage disks, only the OS ones |
| 19:30.48 | jiku | hi. |
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| 19:30.56 | jiku | going to install debian after a very long time.. |
| 19:30.58 | jiku | https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 19:30.58 | AmbiguousOutlier | jelly-home: I want to use it in mdadm, do i not need to fdisk it all |
| 19:31.12 | jiku | it is not showing testing and unstable anymore.. |
| 19:31.15 | jelly-home | AmbiguousOutlier: what are you going to put on top of mdadm layer? |
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| 19:31.20 | jiku | how can i download them in DVD? |
| 19:31.38 | AmbiguousOutlier | jelly-home: raid0 then used as storage for media |
| 19:31.42 | centrx | dpkg: tell jiku about testing installer |
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| 19:31.59 | jelly-home | raid0 with consumer disks? |
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| 19:33.32 | jelly-home | I'd probably add a bunch of disks linearly into a lvm vg, unless I really really needed single-thread performance |
| 19:33.35 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I add GPIO support to a kernel? |
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| 19:34.25 | jelly-home | AmbiguousOutlier: how many disks? If they're all the same size, and you're not going to install OS or boot from them, you can use whole disks without partitions for md. |
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| 19:39.51 | horsik | guys what's the default font config in debian? |
| 19:40.12 | horsik | hinting, lcdfilter etc |
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| 19:42.34 | gnugnu9 | Why are there official debian packages using the version in its name? |
| 19:42.44 | gnugnu9 | E.g. ruby1.8, ruby1.9 |
| 19:42.57 | gnugnu9 | Shouldn't it be just one single package with multiple versions (1.8; 1.9)? |
| 19:44.37 | centrx | gnugnu9, You can't install multiple versions of the same package |
| 19:44.57 | centrx | gnugnu9, If you want both installed, the binaries and libraries need to be installed in different locations. |
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| 19:45.27 | gnugnu9 | centrx: so it is a limitation in debian packages? |
| 19:45.32 | jelly-home | centrx: or not have the same name, just like ruby1.8 and ruby1.9 |
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| 19:47.13 | centrx | gnugnu9, It doesn't seem like much of a limitation. It seems like it is by design |
| 19:47.24 | babilen | gnugnu9: In a way yes, but you have to communicate the fact that there are multiple concurrent versions (each with different versions) somehow. Using explicit names for these is simple and an obvious solution. |
| 19:47.50 | gnugnu9 | ah ok |
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| 19:48.12 | centrx | jelly-home, Yes, I think my previous reason was vacuous |
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| 19:51.54 | potatoceleron | prefers to not install 10 versions of something by default, although the option would be interesting |
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| 20:01.49 | cat_pants | Hi folks. Does anything know what the source directory becomes on an install if the install is from a usb drive? I'm trying to copy a tarball from what would be /cdrom, but assuming that with a usb stick install it will be called something different. |
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| 20:02.10 | cat_pants | ie, d-i preseed/late_command string tar xzf /cdrom/custom.tar.gz -C /target; |
| 20:02.26 | cat_pants | (Sorry, meant extract a tarball) |
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| 20:02.51 | Cylta | flashdrives usually are not mounted by default, so you need to mount it first, and you can choose any point |
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| 20:05.15 | Cylta | cat_pants: if you are already booted from usb, then it should be mounted.. check "mount" command to see all points |
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| 20:05.38 | cat_pants | How do I run a command while the installer is running? |
| 20:05.51 | cat_pants | (Testing install in virtualbox) |
| 20:06.13 | centrx | cat_pants, Change tty to another with Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 20:06.36 | centrx | cat_pants, Or in the non-graphic installer, just Alt-Left/Alt-Right |
| 20:06.43 | AmbiguousOutlier | jelly-home: thanks that worked :) |
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| 20:07.23 | AmbiguousOutlier | /dev/md0 6.0T 195M 5.7T 1% /mnt/md0 --- shouldn't these numbers add up? |
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| 20:07.33 | AmbiguousOutlier | df -H output |
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| 20:07.59 | petemc | AmbiguousOutlier: there can be reserved space |
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| 20:08.21 | AmbiguousOutlier | 300gb? I want it back |
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| 20:09.16 | petemc | AmbiguousOutlier: then read up on how to create whatever filesystem it is you're using without reserved space |
| 20:09.18 | cat_pants | Hmmm, doing that causes me to change ttys on my host, rather than my vm. |
| 20:09.25 | frostschutz | AmbiguousOutlier, 5% root reserve? |
| 20:09.48 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Look into tune2fs |
| 20:09.53 | cat_pants | #join virtualbox |
| 20:09.55 | AmbiguousOutlier | is it a good idea to keep reserve space on a file server? |
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| 20:10.15 | frostschutz | AmbiguousOutlier, only if root needs it |
| 20:10.27 | frostschutz | like, system partition, logfiles and stuff |
| 20:10.31 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Reserved space if meant for root so that you can still use the system even if some pesky process decided to fill all filesystems |
| 20:11.06 | frostschutz | services running as root that would fail with the disk full |
| 20:11.22 | AmbiguousOutlier | boot and os are on separate so root shouldn't interfere, cheers |
| 20:11.57 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: So, tune2fs it is |
| 20:12.29 | AmbiguousOutlier | tune2fs -m 0 /dev/md0 worked thank you |
| 20:12.52 | jhutchins | I had an oracle server hang on shutdown today when it's partition hit 100%. |
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| 20:13.13 | babilen | jhutchins: Did you burn it with fire? |
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| 20:13.27 | potatoceleron | live free or acle |
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| 20:13.59 | potatoceleron | wrong channel. |
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| 20:23.20 | AmbiguousOutlier | how do you restart jobs in debian? |
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| 20:23.32 | AmbiguousOutlier | restart smbd |
| 20:23.35 | centrx | AmbiguousOutlier, What do you mean by job |
| 20:23.51 | AmbiguousOutlier | centrx: samba |
| 20:24.15 | centrx | AmbiguousOutlier, smbd is a daemon/service, probably /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 20:34.54 | jhutchins | AmbiguousOutlier: service smbd start works too. |
| 20:35.16 | jhutchins | AmbiguousOutlier: Or restart |
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| 20:35.56 | jhutchins | AmbiguousOutlier: centrx is right though, it's samba, not smbd. |
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| 20:38.02 | AmbiguousOutlier | thanks, it's up and running now |
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| 20:40.49 | AmbiguousOutlier | what's a good way to sync two folders with a progress bar? rsync -P -av is what I'm currently doing |
| 20:40.59 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: that's pretty much what I use |
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| 20:41.24 | AmbiguousOutlier | i just don't know how much is done vs left |
| 20:41.27 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I fix " CAUTION: musb: Babble Interrupt Occurred" |
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| 20:44.24 | AmbiguousOutlier | what transfer speeds do people get from one server to another? I'm average 50MB/s |
| 20:44.46 | OpenTokix | AmbiguousOutlier: generally it is your disksubsystem that is the limiting factor |
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| 20:45.41 | paddy | i only get 15MB/s |
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| 20:47.31 | potatoceleron | paddy: i wish there was a cross between reddit, twitter and wikipedia, for documentation snippets |
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| 20:48.06 | paddy | potatoceleron: invent it :P |
| 20:48.06 | potatoceleron | thenyou could put answers in there, like dpkg has, improve them, and vote on which ones were well understood by users. |
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| 20:48.44 | paddy | or put the docs up on github and the like |
| 20:48.49 | potatoceleron | paddy: no problem, i can make a crappy one in python, starting with a flat "db" and upgrade to mysql that has more holes than swiss cheese |
| 20:49.07 | paddy | hehe |
| 20:49.13 | AmbiguousOutlier | 5 (TB) * 1024 * 1024 / 50 (MB/s) / 360 = 291 hours to back up my system? Is my maths right? |
| 20:49.13 | potatoceleron | github wouldn't let people click "this was easy to understand" |
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| 20:49.36 | potatoceleron | paddy: it's more of a thought than a plan, but as a thought i'm pretty fond of it |
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| 20:49.59 | paddy | AmbiguousOutlier: /3600 |
| 20:50.00 | potatoceleron | it's more an idea on how to take a LOT of snippets and figure out which ones help the community the most |
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| 20:50.13 | paddy | AmbiguousOutlier: not 360 |
| 20:50.20 | batfastad1 | Hi everyone. I've been running debian testing for the last week and happy with it. Just wondering though, is it possible to downgrade debian testing to wheey+backports? |
| 20:50.40 | AmbiguousOutlier | you are right, but still 30 hours! is that normal? |
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| 20:51.14 | paddy | AmbiguousOutlier: 5 terrabytes is quite much. picture it in CDROM images |
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| 20:51.41 | crculver | Is there a way to add a path to the $PATH variable that apt-get uses? |
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| 20:52.08 | AmbiguousOutlier | if my array breaks it's going to take ages to rebuild |
| 20:52.09 | crculver | (I've installed TeXLive manually, but when installing lilypond through apt-get, I need to point apt-get to the TeXLive directory so it can run some binaries there.) |
| 20:52.18 | paddy | potatoceleron: and if you build a community around it and add things like karma bonus, level raise, etc. it could become good fun |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | !ot |
| 20:52.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 20:53.08 | paddy | yes, sorry |
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| 20:54.10 | crculver | Exporting a new $PATH in bash doesn't seem to apply to apt-get |
| 20:54.19 | paddy | potatoceleron: come over to #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:54.34 | OpenTokix | crculver: are you using sudo for apt-get? |
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| 20:55.34 | crculver | OpenTokix: I've tried both sudo and logging in as root and then having root export a new PATH in bash before invoking apt-get. |
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| 20:55.49 | crculver | OpenTokix: Neither works. apt-get seems to work from a PATH set somewhere else than the current bash session |
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| 20:56.52 | OpenTokix | crculver: Can you pastebin your script? |
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| 21:00.44 | crculver | OpenTokix: Interesting, I seem to have solved this. While logged in as root, I was still prefixing the command with sudo out of force of habit. When I removed the sudo from the beginning of the apt-get command, the install went through fine. I'm not really sure why this is how it works. |
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| 21:04.39 | OpenTokix | crculver: it is because sudo replaces the path with a secure_path in the sudoersfile. - It is for exploiting reasons. - Even if you have a specific sudo command, if you could provide a carefully consturced path, you would look for the command that runs as root at the wrong place. |
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| 21:05.09 | OpenTokix | crculver: so if you add your path to secure_path in /etc/sudoers - you can run your script as a unpriviled user, with use superuser privs where needed. |
| 21:05.10 | AmbiguousOutlier | i can keep rsync -av -P output on the same line, rather than going through each file |
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| 21:05.30 | OpenTokix | AmbiguousOutlier: no, not that I know of |
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| 21:06.09 | crculver | OpenTokix: Thanks, I’ve learned something today. |
| 21:07.06 | OpenTokix | AmbiguousOutlier: you can try --info=progress2 - not sure what version that is in tho |
| 21:07.11 | OpenTokix | crculver: glad to help! |
| 21:08.04 | AmbiguousOutlier | OpenTokix: unknown option |
| 21:08.25 | OpenTokix | AmbiguousOutlier: yeah, justnotices |
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| 21:43.16 | fedorafox | is there anyway to execute a script that runs continuously after installing deb |
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| 21:43.41 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: cron... init.. at |
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| 21:43.50 | Tenkawa | quite a few ways |
| 21:43.55 | AmbiguousOutlier | what can i do to increase transfer speeds? |
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| 21:44.20 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: thats a "very" vague question |
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| 21:44.46 | petn-randall | AmbiguousOutlier: More pidgeons. |
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| 21:45.17 | petn-randall | We're talking about RFC 1149, right? |
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| 21:46.49 | fedorafox | tenkawa how would i go about doing this? in postinst? |
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| 21:47.20 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: do a man on "at" |
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| 21:47.26 | Tenkawa | that should be a good start |
| 21:47.28 | Tenkawa | or cron |
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| 21:49.07 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: let me know if thats not useful for your purpose |
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| 21:49.23 | AmbiguousOutlier | what can i do to increase transfer speeds between two servers, using rsync, drives are supposed to be 171MB/s but I'm getting 50MB/s I'm using cat6e cables with a gigabit switch |
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| 21:49.55 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: that seems like decent speed to me |
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| 21:50.19 | Tenkawa | drive speed and full io transfers aren't going to cooincide |
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| 21:50.35 | Tenkawa | theres a lot of variables and factors in there |
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| 21:50.45 | AmbiguousOutlier | Tenkawa: ok, i'm getting 83MB/s now |
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| 21:50.56 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Might want to play with SSH encryption settings .. but that doesn't sound too bad. |
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| 21:51.14 | Tenkawa | compression vs non compression will have mixed results too |
| 21:51.22 | babilen | indeed |
| 21:51.25 | AmbiguousOutlier | babilen: transfer is happen via mounted nfs drive |
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| 21:51.46 | Tenkawa | that addds even more io calls into the mix |
| 21:51.49 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Well, then obviously don't play with SSH encryption ;) |
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| 21:52.07 | babilen | But NFS is a hungry beast; |
| 21:52.11 | Tenkawa | oh yeah |
| 21:52.24 | AmbiguousOutlier | ssh pull/push better then nfs? |
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| 21:52.54 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Worth a try, use blowfish or something similar as "encryption" (if secure line) |
| 21:52.55 | Tenkawa | depends on workload/data |
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| 21:59.05 | fedorafox | Tenkawa i just keep getting "garbled time" |
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| 21:59.42 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: eh? |
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| 21:59.48 | Tenkawa | using what method? |
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| 22:00.37 | fedorafox | when i use bash vct.sh | at Tue Mar 11 17:56:41 EDT 2014 |
| 22:00.59 | Tenkawa | no I mean using at, cron, etc? |
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| 22:02.30 | jaami | hi, i want to know how i can monitor internet browsing on a small network of 10 computers. actually want to stop browsing for porn and want to display a notification of blocked contents page. how i do it on debian host? |
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| 22:02.49 | fedorafox | Tenkawa: the device im using doesnt have cron |
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| 22:03.23 | Tenkawa | well you could create a while loop in your rc.local |
| 22:03.27 | Tenkawa | (or install cron) |
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| 22:03.49 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: what kind of device is it if I can ask. |
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| 22:04.10 | fedorafox | jailbroken iphone 5c |
| 22:04.14 | Tenkawa | ahhhh |
| 22:04.14 | bobob | Hi, are the DVD images hybrid? Or is it just the CD or 'live' images? |
| 22:04.22 | AmbiguousOutlier | rsync -av -P 'ssh -p 49452' root@tomato:/mnt/cfs/movies/ /mnt/md0/movies/ |
| 22:04.25 | AmbiguousOutlier | Unexpected remote arg: root@tomato:/mnt/cfs/movies/ |
| 22:04.27 | AmbiguousOutlier | rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1232) [sender=3.0.9] |
| 22:04.34 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: isnt that still ios? |
| 22:05.24 | fedorafox | Tenkawa: it is ios |
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| 22:05.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell bobob about hybrid images |
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| 22:05.56 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: you should be able to just use rsync src:// dest:// |
| 22:06.10 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: well thats a completely different story |
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| 22:06.19 | jaami | i cannot stay connected on irc, that is why asking again for help , kindly give me some idea how to monitor internet browsing on debian and block some websites? |
| 22:06.20 | Tenkawa | I thought you were running debian |
| 22:06.24 | bobob | babilen: excellent, thanks :) |
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| 22:06.50 | Tenkawa | jaami: look up transparent content proxy I think |
| 22:06.57 | Tenkawa | or even non transarent |
| 22:07.05 | fedorafox | Tenkawa: its quite similar tho on cydia |
| 22:07.09 | Tenkawa | web proxy debian might be a good google/etc search |
| 22:07.13 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: umm no |
| 22:07.15 | AmbiguousOutlier | Tenkawa: I wanted to try using ssh so i need the server and i'm not on port 22 |
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| 22:07.22 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: Ahhhh |
| 22:07.25 | Tenkawa | just a sec |
| 22:07.33 | jaami | Tenkawa: proxy does that internet browsing or i can use proxy to get what i wan? |
| 22:07.35 | Tenkawa | let me give you the syntax for that |
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| 22:07.52 | Tenkawa | jaami: proxy to point your users to or route all gateway traffic through |
| 22:07.56 | potential | Hello, I have a question regarding Debian privacy. |
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| 22:08.06 | fedorafox | Tenkawa: ok |
| 22:08.24 | jaami | Tenkawa: ok, got idea. Thanks |
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| 22:09.01 | Tenkawa | fedorafox: ios is very modified and streamlined |
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| 22:10.36 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: trying to dig up where that setting is hiding |
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| 22:11.32 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: there we go |
| 22:11.47 | Tenkawa | export RSYNC_RSH="ssh -p your-port-number" |
| 22:11.53 | Tenkawa | export that variable first |
| 22:12.07 | babilen | Tenkawa, fedorafox: IOS is really not supported in here fwiw |
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| 22:12.27 | potential | I am seriously concerned about my private data being stolen, is there a way to assure the software I am using does not have a so called "back door" |
| 22:12.37 | potential | ? |
| 22:12.44 | Tenkawa | babilen: I know.. I was trying to gently point that out without me sounding too odd |
| 22:13.05 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: then your rsync src:// dest:// should use the corret port for ssh |
| 22:13.08 | cntrx | potential, You could run it in a virtual machine or chroot |
| 22:13.32 | jaami | hi babilen , is there any way to manage web browsing(monitoring /blocking) through a special app for this purpose on debian? |
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| 22:14.02 | AmbiguousOutlier | Tenkawa: aren't you a clever one |
| 22:14.09 | potential | cntrx, I see. |
| 22:14.21 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: I've found rsync to have a lot of flexibility when tweaked |
| 22:14.24 | jgrosman | Hi. Is it normal to have to manually install a Boot Bios Partition with GPT? |
| 22:14.46 | cntrx | potential, Or you could make sure you only install software from the Debian repository |
| 22:14.50 | Tenkawa | jgrosman: what architecture? |
| 22:14.51 | AmbiguousOutlier | Tenkawa: that has increased nfs @ 50-80MB/s to ssh @ 150mb/S |
| 22:14.59 | Tenkawa | cool |
| 22:15.10 | jgrosman | amd64 with EFI and dual boot windows |
| 22:15.11 | potential | cntrx, hmm, ok. |
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| 22:15.39 | Tenkawa | jgrosman: hmm .. I can only speak for ARM however my arm debian box only has a gpt kernel partition and root one |
| 22:15.46 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Which encryptions did you try? Mind benchmarking arcfour vs blowfish on SSH? |
| 22:16.03 | jgrosman | preinstalled, EFI partition preinstalled too. Impossible to boot on the installed debian, supergrubdisk allow me to boot on the installed debian but does not found any grub installed |
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| 22:16.09 | Tenkawa | babilen: sounds like AmbiguousOutlier is getting some really good speed now |
| 22:16.21 | babilen | Tenkawa: Sure, just curious |
| 22:16.26 | Tenkawa | babilen: ahh . |
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| 22:17.17 | potential | I know this question might be out of the Debian spectrum, but, Is there a way to tell what apps are violating privacy of their users? Like a blacklist of some sort? |
| 22:17.21 | Tenkawa | So.. Anyone using an Exynos Octa board for anything yet? |
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| 22:18.13 | AmbiguousOutlier | babilen: i can't see where the encryption settings are, i'm assuming somewhere in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:18.29 | aghilops | hi, I have to use some juniper vpn stuff that requires 32bit java :\ how would that be best accomplished on debian? Im terribly afraid Ill have to use the oracle one too |
| 22:19.04 | dondelelcaro | aghilops: in general, you can use multiarch to install whatever libraries you require |
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| 22:19.22 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: Just "-c blowfish" option for SSH |
| 22:19.32 | Tenkawa | is the ia32-libs package still around? |
| 22:19.45 | dondelelcaro | aghilops: if you also have to have a mix of 32 bit and 64bit binaries, though, you'll have to use a chroot (or install the binaries somewhere outside of the usual paths) |
| 22:19.48 | dondelelcaro | Tenkawa: no |
| 22:19.48 | Tenkawa | or was that ubuntu |
| 22:19.49 | mtn | potential: 1. what makes you think there are any? 2. have you tried using google or similar to get an answer to your questions? |
| 22:19.52 | Tenkawa | dondelelcaro: oh darn |
| 22:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Tenkawa: its' been totally replaced by multiarch |
| 22:19.54 | aghilops | doing "aptitude install openjdk-7-jre:i386" right now :) hoping this will work |
| 22:19.57 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 22:20.10 | Tenkawa | dondelelcaro: I run all ARM now so I havent been able to keep up |
| 22:20.13 | babilen | Tenkawa: It is a metapackage that pulls in everything and the kitchen sink |
| 22:20.17 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 22:20.29 | Tenkawa | figured that whats it would do if it replaced the old one |
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| 22:21.08 | AmbiguousOutlier | babilen: where abouts in my line should it go? rsync -av -P --stats -c blowfish rhys@tomato:/mnt/cfs/movies/ /mnt/md0/movies |
| 22:21.18 | aghilops | dondelelcaro: this would be the logical thing to do right? "aptitude install openjdk-7-jre:i386" and then update-java-alternatives |
| 22:21.20 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: in the rsync_rsh export |
| 22:21.38 | dondelelcaro | aghilops: yes, assuming you don't have openjdk-7-jre:amd64 installed |
| 22:22.19 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: that do it? |
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| 22:22.55 | aghilops | dondelelcaro: I do have openjdk-7-jre installed for 64bit. would that be bad? |
| 22:23.08 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: rsync --rsh="ssh -c blowfish" ... |
| 22:23.11 | dondelelcaro | aghilops: yeah, that's not going to work |
| 22:23.18 | AmbiguousOutlier | it worked, 120MB/s |
| 22:23.26 | Tenkawa | babilen: yeah thats another way too |
| 22:23.30 | Tenkawa | or even -e "blah" |
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| 22:24.17 | babilen | Tenkawa: If you already use the RSYNC_RSH export you should naturally set it there. I really wouldn't recommend to set options in both places (just confusing later) |
| 22:24.25 | Tenkawa | babilen: agreed |
| 22:24.43 | Tenkawa | since I was giving them to him with the export I just wanted to stay consistent |
| 22:24.55 | aghilops | dondelelcaro: ok, I fail to understand why though. If I choose the 32bit in update-alternatives |
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| 22:25.12 | aghilops | dondelelcaro: so if I uninstall my 64bit java, then things could work? |
| 22:25.29 | aghilops | that could explain the trouble I have had though |
| 22:25.34 | AmbiguousOutlier | babilen: what's the other encryption you'd like me to benchmark |
| 22:26.11 | AmbiguousOutlier | ssh seems to be more eratic, using the nfs mount seems a little more consistent |
| 22:26.22 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: arcfour |
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| 22:27.03 | Tenkawa | AmbiguousOutlier: thats due to the encryption mostly (the movement( |
| 22:27.20 | Tenkawa | some things will change more than others during the process |
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| 22:28.55 | aghilops | dondelelcaro: will it work if I install the older java version in 32-bit and keep the 64-bit newer version? removing my 64bit will remove lots and lots of packages that I do want to keep installed |
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| 22:29.55 | k0fee | how do you throttle an intel i7 sandybridge on a laptop, i've tried a couple of apps but doesn't seem to limit the cpu load from an app |
| 22:30.19 | AmbiguousOutlier | arcfour really slow 45MB/s and killing my resources |
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| 22:30.32 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. gotta run |
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| 22:31.09 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: interesting, I somehow remembered that it should be one of the fastest ciphers. Thanks for looking into it :) |
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| 22:31.31 | AmbiguousOutlier | I've only done quick 5 min tests of each |
| 22:31.41 | jgrosman | How can I install Boot Bios Partition on debian, after install. |
| 22:31.52 | AmbiguousOutlier | how do i remove encryption as it's on my local lan ki |
| 22:31.58 | AmbiguousOutlier | i don't really need it |
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| 22:32.08 | aghilops | k0fee: what do you want to throttle? |
| 22:32.44 | aghilops | clock down cpu to save battery? |
| 22:32.47 | k0fee | some kind of setting aghilops that limits the max load, from any application, i did a batch process earlier after 5 minutes the box shut down |
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| 22:33.14 | k0fee | maxed all cores, when i had a sata drive installed i think the sata acted as a "bottleneck" for the cpu, now ssd installed and wow |
| 22:33.49 | k0fee | if i could manually set the max allowable load don't know if saying that right, but say max out at 45% or little more |
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| 22:34.20 | aghilops | k0fee: cpufrequtils I think |
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| 22:35.06 | k0fee | i installed that tried it for some reason i couldn't get it to work, followed a couple tutorials and it says set to conservative right now actually |
| 22:35.31 | k0fee | if you have a link i will try it again of course, nothing to lose :) |
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| 22:36.46 | k0fee | when the computer is "idling" temp is at 41C hardly any load at all on the cores, when i run a batch process on something, just totally maxes out all cores |
| 22:36.56 | babilen | AmbiguousOutlier: You cannot with SSH, you would have to use rsyncd directly or RSH |
| 22:37.39 | frikinz | k0fee: is that an HP? (just a guess.. heating issues) |
| 22:37.45 | aghilops | k0fee: aptitude install cpufrequtils && man cpufreq-set #:) |
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| 22:38.22 | k0fee | yeah i pulled the i5 sandy out of it, put an i7 in, redid the thermalpaste stock was too much etc so average temp now is 39c |
| 22:38.34 | k0fee | 4430s with ssd/8gb ram wheezy |
| 22:38.45 | AmbiguousOutlier | with ssh i get really high rates up to 150MB/s for 10 mins then i drops and stays around 40MB/s |
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| 22:41.07 | k0fee | https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 22:41.43 | k0fee | followed that and rebooted, ran a batch process, same thing, so i did something wrong |
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| 22:43.03 | dondelelcaro | k0fee: uh... if running the cpus full out causes the box to shut down, you have a problem |
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| 22:43.22 | dondelelcaro | k0fee: but that said, you can set upper limits on the cpu frequency that can be used, which will help slightly |
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| 22:45.35 | k0fee | yeah when i ran a batch process, it just nailed all cores temp went high then it shut down |
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| 22:45.49 | k0fee | odd thing is, this only started happening after i installed the ssd drive |
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| 22:47.05 | dondelelcaro | k0fee: well, it's possible that whatever you were doing previously was IO bound, and now is CPU bound |
| 22:47.12 | dondelelcaro | but I can't say |
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| 22:47.20 | zykotick9 | k0fee: you have issues... "up 15 days, 4:47, 6 users, load average: 8.95, 8.77, 7.93 |
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| 22:48.25 | dondelelcaro | wait; this is a laptop? |
| 22:48.29 | k0fee | not sure if that info is accurate |
| 22:48.46 | WilliamDotSU | your task raped IO before |
| 22:48.54 | WilliamDotSU | now the IO limit is gone due to the SSD |
| 22:48.56 | frikinz | I had a laptop with a nice acpi and the kernel would throttle the cpu down when temperature was too high |
| 22:49.00 | aghilops | zykotick9: thats a pretty load average |
| 22:49.02 | WilliamDotSU | now it rapes CPU and your cooling is not sufficient |
| 22:49.02 | k0fee | no, not with the sata drive in |
| 22:49.24 | k0fee | that's what she used to do before i installed the ssd, so wondering what the heck i did there, coz the drive seems fine etc |
| 22:49.29 | k0fee | ran updates, upgrade |
| 22:49.30 | zykotick9 | WilliamDotSU: perhaps you're unfamiliar with that rape is... |
| 22:49.38 | WilliamDotSU | no |
| 22:49.43 | WilliamDotSU | the word fits in this context as slang |
| 22:49.56 | zykotick9 | WilliamDotSU: it's lame... |
| 22:49.57 | k0fee | totally happy with everything just noticed this today |
| 22:50.09 | WilliamDotSU | zykotick9: and why should i care about your opinion...? |
| 22:50.12 | dondelelcaro | k0fee: anyway, you might try installing thermald |
| 22:50.21 | dondelelcaro | WilliamDotSU: it's not appropriate to use in this channel. |
| 22:50.25 | centrx | zykotick9, Are you aware of the Unix command "kill" |
| 22:50.25 | k0fee | googling now appreciate it guys |
| 22:50.30 | WilliamDotSU | dondelelcaro: says who |
| 22:50.32 | WilliamDotSU | the rules dont list it |
| 22:50.37 | WilliamDotSU | its not profanit |
| 22:50.37 | WilliamDotSU | y |
| 22:50.38 | dondelelcaro | WilliamDotSU: I say... |
| 22:50.42 | zykotick9 | centrx: sure? why? |
| 22:50.55 | WilliamDotSU | and you are what? |
| 22:50.58 | WilliamDotSU | identify OP status |
| 22:51.07 | Metaleer | -ChanServ- 10 dondelelcaro +ARfiorstv [modified 3 years, 42 weeks, 2 days, 05:40:22 ago] |
| 22:51.07 | WilliamDotSU | else i just ignore what you tell me |
| 22:51.08 | Metaleer | ^ |
| 22:51.10 | dondelelcaro | WilliamDotSU: what does it matter? Please stop. |
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| 22:51.40 | WilliamDotSU | and guys still wonder why freenode gets ddos :) surprising |
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| 22:52.08 | frikinz | lame.. |
| 22:52.16 | frikinz | is that allowed? |
| 22:52.19 | frikinz | ... |
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| 22:52.31 | AmbiguousOutlier | does rsync look for the existing of a file without comparing size or mod date or anything? |
| 22:52.45 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: depends on the options you give rsync |
| 22:53.12 | AmbiguousOutlier | dondelelcaro: im using -av |
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| 22:53.48 | zykotick9 | AmbiguousOutlier: -u is update... something i always use with rsync |
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| 22:54.53 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: IIRC, that will check the file if the time and size do not match. |
| 22:55.53 | dondelelcaro | AmbiguousOutlier: but the manpage covers all of this, so you can read it. |
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| 22:56.16 | AmbiguousOutlier | reading it now :) |
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| 22:59.47 | WilliamDotSU | with a /15 IPs you dont run out. |
| 23:00.02 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 23:00.27 | abrotman | ban evasion .. I see |
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| 23:03.29 | k0fee | thought cpulimit might do it, nada, take a look in my bios see if i got a setting maybe when i put the ssd drive in i have to reset, coz none of my cores maxed out before the ssd |
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| 23:05.20 | cyber | hi |
| 23:05.25 | cyber | important call to arms |
| 23:05.27 | cyber | Whatever anyone else might say, Linux IS about choice. |
| 23:05.27 | cyber | Debian is the anti-redhat. Fuck systemd, please second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html |
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| 23:05.37 | cyber | please take the time to second Matt's proposal for GR |
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| 23:05.43 | centrx | The crazies are really coming out tonight |
| 23:06.34 | deepblue | it's shamefull that we have to use adobe flash player.what's the open source alternative? |
| 23:06.45 | abrotman | deepblue: gnash and lightspark |
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| 23:08.14 | deepblue | abrotman, sorry,i tried both but they didn't work |
| 23:08.22 | abrotman | deepblue: depends what oyu need them for. |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | deepblue: youtube? general web surfing? |
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| 23:09.27 | deepblue | abrotman, utube,yes |
| 23:09.32 | cat_pants | Hi folks, I'm trying to figure out where a usb drive gets mounted if it's the installation medium. (Generally a cd gets mounted to /cdrom) I'm in the installer, booted from a usb drive, and I got to shell, but mount -l doesn't work. Any ideas? Thanks! |
| 23:09.36 | k0fee | yeah think it's a weather change, folks are going nuts around my area, gonna stay inside, stick an egg on the processor later on :) |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | deepblue: generally, you can use html5 or gnash |
| 23:09.56 | cat_pants | nothing in /mnt or /media |
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| 23:10.38 | deepblue | abrotman, ok ,maybe html5 will do |
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| 23:11.10 | abrotman | deepblue: it works for about 95% of youtube I think |
| 23:11.12 | centrx | deepblue, For youtube, use youtube-dl or cclive |
| 23:11.31 | centrx | deepblue, or minitube |
| 23:11.40 | potatoceleron | minitube ftw |
| 23:11.52 | ytrezq | Hello, how I may use ld.bfd with gcc in debian? If I use the "-fuse-ld=bfd" gcc parameter. I got "/usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots". |
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| 23:12.19 | deepblue | abrotman, centrx ok,thanx |
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| 23:15.38 | potatoceleron | from the pov of channel moderation, one word upsets people more, and isn't needed to refer to a unix command |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | potatoceleron: wrong channel? |
| 23:16.09 | potatoceleron | philsophically though, it's ironic that we can talk about killing processes, but not... the other terminology |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | potatoceleron: perhaps you wanted to discuss this elsewhere, please don't discuss it here. |
| 23:16.30 | potatoceleron | abrotman: not trying to push my luck, just musing. |
| 23:16.41 | potatoceleron | abrotman: if it helps, i'm done mentioning it. |
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| 23:16.45 | abrotman | potatoceleron: we have a lovely place called #debian-offtopic for things like that :) |
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| 23:17.21 | potatoceleron | abrotman: i wish people said anything there. but point taken. |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | potatoceleron: they do .. |
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| 23:33.20 | cristiancv100 | hello |
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| 23:34.31 | cristiancv100 | please im testing to set up an ipsec server l2tp, and "ipsec verify" command show me this:Hardware random device check [N/A] |
| 23:34.31 | k0fee | here's my cpu info http://pastebin.com/WmfHd3j3 |
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| 23:34.39 | cristiancv100 | how can i solve it? |
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| 23:37.18 | k0fee | ran this no effect sudo cpufreq-set -u 1.5Ghz |
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| 23:37.59 | k0fee | that's actually what would work for me, to set an upper limit on it so it can't max out plus i don't have to do so for specific apps |
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| 23:42.40 | ytrezq | Again: how I may use ld.bfd with gcc in debian? If I use the "-fuse-ld=bfd" gcc parameter. I got "/usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots". |
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| 23:57.58 | bum | hello how i can look ipconfig on debian ? |
| 23:58.16 | centrx | bum, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:59.34 | bum | centrx its not a config file how i can open it ? |
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| 23:59.56 | centrx | bum, Generally /etc/network/interfaces |
