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| 00:05.51 | kdog | Dirkson: I piped the apt-rdepends output through less and then recursively searched my way back up the chain. The libwayland-client0 dependency works its way up through gpg to libgmime which notmuch depends on. |
| 00:07.12 | kdog | Dirkson: thanks for that. I didn't know apt-rdepends existed and now I do. I wish there was an option to just show the links from libwayland-client0 to notmuch-vim. That would be cool. Anyone know of a tool that will do that? |
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| 00:07.51 | kdog | thinks these "notmuch" packages aren't really "not much" :-/ |
| 00:07.51 | terminusbound | uber.com/invite/vkjaj <--- FREE $20 CREDIT for Uber(Taxi Service) that you can use anytime, in case you havent signed up yet. |
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| 00:16.50 | anigma_ | I'm trying to remove apache2, but for some reason apt-get wants to install lighttpd instead? How do I make this not happen? |
| 00:17.18 | Zitter | hi, I've used cfidsk to write a partition (it was "free space"), that now -in cfdisk interface- appears to named "sda3". Well, /dev/sda3 doesn't exist and mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda3 fails. Any hint? |
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| 00:18.17 | mynam | Zitter, What do you see when you run fdisk -l ? |
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| 00:19.27 | Zitter | this: http://paste.debian.net/87400/ |
| 00:20.22 | mynam | Zitter, Ok, what partitions do you see in /dev ? |
| 00:21.20 | Zitter | sda sda1 sda2 sda5 |
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| 00:23.59 | mynam | Have you tried to delete the partition and recreate it? |
| 00:24.05 | Zitter | ok, after a reboot /dev/sda3 appeared |
| 00:24.09 | mynam | Nice |
| 00:24.14 | Zitter | :) |
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| 00:24.30 | mynam | No idea why cfdisk wasn't playing nice. Never done that to me.... |
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| 00:24.54 | Zitter | well, I'm doing inside virtualbox. Could be that? |
| 00:25.06 | mynam | Possibly. |
| 00:25.45 | aberlin | can i copy an normal partion into my lvm in this way: " dd if=/dev/$oldPartiton of=/dev/$myLvm-name/lvm-debian " ? |
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| 00:26.42 | mynam | aberlin, Are the partitions the same size or is the source smaller? |
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| 00:30.03 | aberlin | mynam: i have not create the lv , but there is still lots of space in the volume-group, should i crate just exactly the same size? |
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| 00:31.14 | mynam | aberlin, When you use DD to copy entire disks the of= needs to be larger than if= otherwise it can't hold everything. You need to create it either the same size or larger. If larger you will need to extend the partition. |
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| 00:31.44 | mynam | If you are just trying to copy files I'd recommend creating the LV, formatting it, and use rsync. |
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| 00:34.13 | doebi | got a vpn, which assigns me a 10.20.x.x ip, on that interface i want to connect to a maschine in 10.22. but i get a timeoute, do i have to add route for 10.22.x.x? |
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| 00:35.02 | mynam | doebi, You have to enable IPv4 forwarding on the machine that connects to the VPN. |
| 00:35.11 | mynam | Also how is everything connected? |
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| 00:35.20 | aberlin | mynam: actually i try to put my whole debian from an normal partition into a lv |
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| 00:36.16 | doebi | mynam: what ya mean with connected? i have my server connected to my universitys net, which gives my server a 10.20.40.x ip |
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| 00:36.18 | kdog | anigma_: apt-get doesn't tell you what is depending on apache2? Some package that is intalled needs a webserver. Could it be one of the packages starting in "task"? |
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| 00:36.39 | doebi | and i want to connect to another server in my unix net on 10.22.20.x |
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| 00:37.11 | mynam | doebi, Ok, is the machine on 10.22.20.x local to your server? |
| 00:37.29 | doebi | nope, my server is at home |
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| 00:37.30 | mynam | aberlin, Here is a tutorial on migrating a root partition to LVM: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/upgraderoottolvm.html |
| 00:38.04 | doebi | i want to tell my server to connect to 10.22. using the vpn |
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| 00:38.29 | mynam | So the machine is external to your network? |
| 00:38.32 | doebi | yep |
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| 00:38.57 | mynam | Do you know if the VPN server is able to route to it or know of a device that can? |
| 00:39.17 | aberlin | mynam : thanks, i will check this |
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| 00:40.02 | mynam | doebi, You can try adding a static route to the machine on the router to the remote IP of the VPN. |
| 00:40.09 | doebi | well i guess the vpn server must be able to route to it, since we are told to connect to that machine using vpn, all i need to do is tell my server to use the tun0 interface to connect to subnet 10.22.x.x |
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| 00:40.31 | doebi | mynam: yeah thats waht i am thinking of, just i dunno the syntax of route add ... |
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| 00:42.34 | mynam | ip route add 10.22.0.0/24 via <IP OF VPN REMOTE> |
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| 00:45.40 | mynam | doebi, Forgot to add your name: ip route add 10.22.0.0/24 via <IP OF VPN REMOTE> |
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| 00:46.27 | doebi | mynam: well thanks, i saw it and added it, but still get timepouts on pings |
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| 00:46.59 | doebi | hmm traceroute tells me that it uses the wrong interface |
| 00:47.49 | mynam | add "dev tun0" to the end. |
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| 00:48.31 | mynam | Or whatever the name of the iface is. |
| 00:49.20 | doebi | hmm it actually lists the right interface |
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| 00:50.55 | doebi | so weird... |
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| 00:51.15 | mynam | Still can't ping it? |
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| 00:52.06 | doebi | lol |
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| 00:52.14 | doebi | now added route for the exact ip |
| 00:52.18 | doebi | now it works :) |
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| 00:52.30 | doebi | mynam: thx :) |
| 00:52.32 | mynam | Hmm. |
| 00:52.36 | mynam | Glad it works. |
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| 00:53.15 | mynam | doebi, Anytime. Makes me wonder how they have the namespace and routing setup on their end. |
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| 01:04.55 | doebi | mynam: yeah dunno, this shit of routing happens when u give back your class A net of 'real' ips... |
| 01:05.11 | mynam | HAHA! |
| 01:05.22 | mynam | It starts to get expensive. |
| 01:05.32 | doebi | well u know. back in the days... |
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| 01:05.46 | doebi | and i dont get why we dont push ipv6 more.. |
| 01:05.52 | doebi | things would be so much easier |
| 01:05.54 | mynam | Tell these big companies to stop hording. |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | People do |
| 01:06.03 | doebi | abrotman: MORE! |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | mynam: it's not about big companies or not .. stop clinging to v4 .. |
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| 01:06.19 | dvs | slinks away |
| 01:06.22 | mynam | Problem with v6 is a lot of the equipment being used is antiquated. |
| 01:06.24 | mynam | haha |
| 01:06.28 | mynam | Leave my v4 alone. |
| 01:06.31 | mynam | My v4. |
| 01:06.37 | jhutchins | doebi: ipv6 doesn't work. |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | mynam: So upgrade it. Stop being a luddite |
| 01:06.45 | abrotman | jhutchins: that's a pile of nonsense. |
| 01:06.46 | mynam | Haha. |
| 01:06.59 | doebi | lol sry for staring such a discu |
| 01:07.40 | mynam | I'm v6 capable. Been bugging my ISP to find out when they are going to start introducing 6. |
| 01:07.59 | jhutchins | I have very real ipv6 from google fiber, and it is very limited. |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | mns: comcast6.net |
| 01:08.00 | mynam | My edge runs Debian 7. |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | mynam: |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | mynam: you have the same ISP I do, I have v6 |
| 01:08.18 | mynam | Really? |
| 01:08.21 | mynam | What state are you in? |
| 01:08.36 | mynam | I want dual homed. |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | mynam: your ISP is probably one of the leading IPv6 deployers in the US for Residential IPv6 |
| 01:10.14 | mynam | I piggy back off HE for v6. Works ok, would rather to not have to tunnel it. |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | mynam: If your modem is old, you may need to upgrade it. |
| 01:10.50 | mynam | Honestly I have no idea how old it is. I've only lived here a couple months. |
| 01:11.01 | abrotman | mynam: comcast6.net ;) |
| 01:11.20 | grok | .oO(epeen-babble) |
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| 01:12.21 | Mardus | Hi there. What's the best channel for mobile phone development? |
| 01:12.33 | mynam | Wall dang. It's not friendly with v6. |
| 01:12.42 | centrx | Mardus, On Debian? |
| 01:13.01 | Mardus | centrx, No I mean IRC channel. |
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| 01:13.20 | centrx | Mardus, Probably #android or something |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | Mardus: perhaps ask #defocus where to go .. /msg alis list *mobile* |
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| 01:15.04 | abrotman | mynam: your CMTS? |
| 01:15.04 | Mardus | abrotman: Thanks, but the list featured channels with useful names, but a small number of users. |
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| 01:15.17 | abrotman | Mardus: That might be the case on this network |
| 01:15.51 | Mardus | abrotman: pity. I was looking for a specific website that showed screen cellphone makes and models inside different screen resolutions all in one page. |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | Mardus: so ask one of those channels perhaps .. this clearly isn't the place |
| 01:16.33 | Mardus | abrotman: mhm. But thanks anyway. |
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| 01:17.17 | mynam | abrotman, Yup. I've got a cisco around here somewhere... |
| 01:17.25 | mynam | I think a motorola too. |
| 01:17.35 | mynam | Too many boxes of random stuff. |
| 01:18.07 | abrotman | mynam: I was asking if your CMTS was capable |
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| 01:18.23 | mynam | No it's not. |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | Then not much you can do |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | well, nothing really |
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| 01:20.00 | mynam | It's not really that critical for me right now. Tunnel is working fine, don't really use it for much. |
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| 01:20.32 | dotDeb | will the debian installer ask me if i want to format the whole drive and give debian the whole drive? |
| 01:20.44 | dvs | yes |
| 01:20.51 | dotDeb | dvs ok cool |
| 01:21.03 | dotDeb | dvs how user friendly is the graphical installer? |
| 01:21.13 | dotDeb | dvs also, does installing from a live usb require an active internet connection? |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dotDeb about ig |
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| 01:21.59 | dvs | meh, I use the text installer so I don't know about the GUI specifically. And you can get an USB installer that doesn't use the Internet. |
| 01:22.14 | dotDeb | dvs but the live usb specifically? |
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| 01:22.23 | SweeeX | http://tickets.tomorrowland2014.eu/?ref=3451 Please click the link and help me win a free tomorrowland ticket. |
| 01:22.24 | dotDeb | dvs i have ethernet access i just am curious if i will need it |
| 01:22.34 | dotDeb | dvs because i need to download drivers for the wireless separately |
| 01:22.40 | mynam | abrotman, Comcast only issues out one v6 addr. That sucks. |
| 01:22.47 | dvs | dotDeb: Never used the live image to install Debian. |
| 01:22.53 | dotDeb | dvs really, why? |
| 01:23.07 | dvs | dotDeb: The normal installer works fine for me. |
| 01:23.18 | dotDeb | dvs okay but why shouldn't i use a live image? |
| 01:23.42 | dvs | dotDeb: You can use it but most people use the normal installer. |
| 01:23.48 | dotDeb | dvs what's the difference? |
| 01:23.54 | dotDeb | dvs and is the normal installer bootable? |
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| 01:24.28 | dvs | dotDeb: The normal installer is bootable. And I've never use the live image to install so I can't say. |
| 01:24.33 | jhutchins | dotDeb: Would it be useful if it werent? |
| 01:24.46 | dotDeb | dvs oh i see you said "never used", i thought you said "never use" |
| 01:25.00 | dotDeb | jhutchins no, that was a dumb question indeed |
| 01:25.42 | bo1 | dotDeb, fyi last time i installed debian without internet it left my network unconfigured, and i didnt know how to configure it, so i had to reisntall w/ internet |
| 01:26.00 | dotDeb | bo1 ok, ill install with ethernet |
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| 01:26.48 | mynam | I've had luck with setting up the manual config for networking when I don't have a connection. Just have to edit the config file. |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | mynam: no, that's not true, you get a /64 |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | (which I have some issue with, but bleh) |
| 01:27.42 | dotDeb | but would the live usb work for formatting the drive and installing debian over everything? |
| 01:28.02 | mynam | They need to update their FAQ then... |
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| 01:28.39 | bo1 | dotDeb, i believe it will work equally well as long as you have internet |
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| 01:28.52 | abrotman | mynam: or you misinterpreted? |
| 01:29.04 | mynam | Maybe, I have my moments... |
| 01:29.13 | mynam | I'll call them. |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | mynam: URL? |
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| 01:29.46 | mynam | abrotman, http://comcast6.net/index.php/ipv6-deployment-faq |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | mynam: actually, let's continue in #debian-offtopic if you don't mind |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | mynam: this isn't truly Debian related .. and I'm sure others are growing weary :) |
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| 01:30.32 | dotDeb | bo1 ok |
| 01:30.34 | dotDeb | hanks |
| 01:30.36 | dotDeb | *t |
| 01:30.59 | bo1 | good luck :) |
| 01:30.59 | mynam | Good idea. |
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| 01:32.26 | _1_Ruben | Ola emma |
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| 01:46.28 | ffog | i don't see compiz in my apt-cache search, am i missing a repository? |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | nope, long gone |
| 01:46.52 | ffog | is compiz a goner? |
| 01:47.02 | rryoumaa | ffog: unfortunately it's not part of debian any more. the part i wanted was the flexible zooming. |
| 01:47.17 | ffog | i just wanted to check it out, i hadn't used it in years |
| 01:47.19 | centrx | ffog, Last release of compiz was three years ago apparently |
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| 01:47.23 | ffog | ohh |
| 01:47.25 | centrx | ffog, So it's probably the same :) |
| 01:47.33 | ffog | is there anything similar? all i remember is the wiggly windows |
| 01:47.40 | ffog | which are....... not necessary |
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| 01:52.47 | houn | Hello, #debian |
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| 01:53.34 | mynam | Hey houn |
| 01:55.01 | houn | I'm trying to install wheezy into a VM, and it's failing on "Select and install software" |
| 01:55.12 | houn | Anything obvious or known? |
| 01:55.19 | houn | (I'm googlin') |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | need an error |
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| 01:56.02 | mynam | What kind of host? |
| 01:57.18 | houn | Netinstall, non-graphical. Looks like an "unexpected error": "command no executed: 'sh -c debcong-apt-progress..." |
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| 01:57.46 | houn | Oh, it's a Virtualbox VM, 64bit |
| 01:57.55 | houn | Debian(64) selected. |
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| 02:00.11 | Dirkson | kdog_away: Glad to have helped! Just learned about it myself. I definitely didn't understand your explanation of what's going on, though : ( |
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| 02:01.10 | houn | Well, now it's erroring that "apt-install or in-target is already running." |
| 02:02.30 | dimitry7 | hey guys! what is the option to reduce the initial scheduling time in nagios?? |
| 02:02.30 | houn | Oh, going back to "install the base system", it's saying now that packages.gz was corrupt. |
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| 02:03.10 | mynam | houn, Does the ISO hash match? |
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| 02:07.33 | houn | mynam: I thought so, was going to double-check, and I can't find the md5sum for this iso now... |
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| 02:09.00 | mynam | houn, Get a new copy off debian.org. |
| 02:09.00 | Goodbox | Hi channel. houn have you checked the image checksum ? For my part, I generated a jessie iso for my box which must uses a bnx2 networking driver. (I mounted the last testing iso, added the bnx2 nonfree package in pool/main/f/firmware-nonfree, symlinked it in the firmware dir, before genisoimage btw) Maybe I missed something at this moment, like generating a new initcpio. During the installation, "lspci -v" shows me the recognized controller which use |
| 02:09.45 | houn | mynam: I found it, it's correct. |
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| 02:10.33 | Dirkson | Hey all. "apt-get install notmuch-vim" wants to pull in "libcups2" and "libwayland-client0", among other crazy choices. HOWEVER, "apt-rdepends notmuch-vim" doesn't mention either of these packages in the slightest. What's going on? |
| 02:10.51 | houn | using debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso, obtained via official torrent |
| 02:10.52 | Dirkson | And, possibly more specifically, is there any way of stopping it? : ) |
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| 02:11.41 | mynam | Dirkson, Do you have unmet depends? |
| 02:11.55 | Dirkson | mynam: Not that I'm aware of? How would I tell? |
| 02:12.05 | mynam | Dirkson, apt-get -f install |
| 02:12.25 | Dirkson | mynam: Gotcha. None. |
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| 02:13.00 | mynam | Goodbox, Is the driver not working? |
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| 02:14.52 | Goodbox | mynam: Not really :/ I have IP, gateway, netmask configured, but ping does not work and DC dhcp server is unreachable. |
| 02:15.07 | tekzilla | trying to build squid, it wants libcompat, cannot find a debian package though |
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| 02:16.55 | mynam | Goodbox, Might be able to try the firmware-bnx2 package if you have another computer to download it with. |
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| 02:19.13 | houn | Just starting over with the graphical installer. |
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| 02:19.38 | Goodbox | damnit b4ckdoors in broadcom systems, I got a nearby box in the same DC, or I can boot on a "rescue" system which have a working package. I maybe should proceed with a debootsrap. |
| 02:21.04 | n0man | Do I need anything other than build-essential to compile trivial C files, such as "hello world"? |
| 02:21.57 | Goodbox | n0man: you just need cc and ld program provided in the build-essential package. |
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| 02:22.29 | n0man | Goodbox: I ask because I have build-essential installed, and can't do that:-P |
| 02:22.42 | n0man | http://pastie.org/private/uigcbpelf6tp91gmne4sqa |
| 02:22.47 | mynam | n0man, Have you tried gcc? |
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| 02:22.55 | Goodbox | n0man: You should read your compiler documentation. |
| 02:23.21 | n0man | Goodbox: as in "man gcc'? |
| 02:25.45 | mynam | I can confirm the code works. |
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| 02:26.19 | SenseFromNonsens | How do I configure ACPI(?) to use intel_backlight instead of acpi_video0? Fn+left/right is received as BRTDN/BRTUP, but following only the values of intel_acpi0 is altered, which yields no actual alteration in screen brightness, only alteration of values in intel_backlight does so. In other words: how do I properly map Fn-keys to altering values intel_backlight/backlight? (I have written the shell script; just need to map it to Fn keys) |
| 02:26.20 | n0man | Thanks mynam |
| 02:26.35 | n0man | I was pretty sure though;-) |
| 02:27.15 | n0man | It's been a long time since I've installed Debian, but any other time, it was as simple as "apt-get install build-essential", then dev environment is good to go |
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| 02:30.45 | mynam | Brb, gotta put my kid to bed. |
| 02:30.57 | Goodbox | n0man: I never see that, have you tried to build an object before linking it to the libc ? |
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| 02:31.16 | Goodbox | bye mynam ! |
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| 02:32.30 | Goodbox | mynam: uh sorry misunderstood, I'm a english novice |
| 02:32.49 | n0man | Goodbox: it's a compiler error, not a linker one. (same error with gcc -c) |
| 02:33.05 | Goodbox | ( mynam the sentence was simple, but my read was so quick ) |
| 02:33.26 | Goodbox | n0man: have you try with another compiler suite ? |
| 02:33.42 | Goodbox | n0man: such as tcc or clang ? |
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| 02:36.49 | Goodbox | n0man: Are you sure that's a linking problem ? Maybe your libc is broken :[ |
| 02:37.28 | Goodbox | +isn't |
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| 02:38.01 | n0man | Heh |
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| 02:38.42 | dotDeb | is it possible to make a zip of the whole home directory? |
| 02:39.03 | Goodbox | sure ! |
| 02:39.13 | dotDeb | goodbox: ok, ill try it |
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| 02:39.27 | n0man | I'm sure - the error would not specify a source file if it was a linker error. The complaint would instead be about the objects. But also, I saw the same error with "gcc -c". |
| 02:40.12 | dotDeb | goodbox should i use nautilus or tar? |
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| 02:40.47 | tjfontain | "If you don't like it, that's tough. Its time for you to switch to FreeBSD then. There is absolutely a need for fast booting in the Linux eco system." |
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| 02:40.51 | tjfontain | -Systemd fuck: We must leave linux if we don't like systemd. Fight this. Please Second this proposal: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00000.html |
| 02:40.54 | tjfontain | Vote against systemd. |
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| 02:41.07 | Goodbox | dotDeb: if you would make a zip compressed archive you should use a zip program not a file manager or a archiver |
| 02:41.16 | dotDeb | tjfontain what's systemd |
| 02:41.18 | dotDeb | goodbox ah ok |
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| 02:42.01 | Goodbox | dotDeb: however I recommend you to make a compressed tarball |
| 02:42.15 | dotDeb | goodbox how? |
| 02:42.24 | dotDeb | goodbox do i just select ".tar" in archive manager? |
| 02:43.06 | Goodbox | dotDeb: simply log as root and tar cfvz /home_bkp.tgz /home |
| 02:43.42 | dotDeb | goodbox ah ok |
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| 02:44.19 | dotDeb | goodbox how long will this take for ~20gb |
| 02:44.28 | nonconvergent | ~version libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 02:44.36 | nonconvergent | ,v? |
| 02:44.51 | Goodbox | dotDeb: it depends on your io disks speed and your core speed. |
| 02:45.07 | dotDeb | goodbox i have a decent i7 |
| 02:45.28 | nonconvergent | Aww hell. |
| 02:45.30 | LtL | v, libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 02:45.37 | nonconvergent | I see it now. |
| 02:45.44 | nonconvergent | That's what I was afraid of. |
| 02:45.49 | LtL | ,v libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 02:45.50 | judd | Package: libgl1-nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 331.49-1; sid/non-free: 331.49-1 |
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| 02:46.08 | Goodbox | then with a 7200 rpm sata II and a sigle 3Ghz one of your i7 core, between ten to twenty minutes maybe. |
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| 02:46.19 | dotDeb | goodbox it's an SSD too :D |
| 02:46.47 | n0man | Just tried with a fresh Ubuntu server VM, works fine, grumble. |
| 02:47.06 | IO-Mind | dotDeb, just ls -l to see the file size of the archive currently and you should be able to make your own estimations |
| 02:47.14 | Goodbox | dotDeb: then a little bit less but you shoul not uses compressions algorythm of the GNU tar version, try pigz instead. |
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| 02:47.41 | Goodbox | dotDeb: only if you have five minutes to win |
| 02:47.45 | dotDeb | IO-Mind indeed, my apologies for dumb questions |
| 02:47.54 | dotDeb | goodbox oh, but i already started using tar |
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| 02:49.17 | henry_ | hey folks |
| 02:49.34 | henry_ | I'm trying to make a USB thumb-drive installer |
| 02:49.40 | houn | Oh |
| 02:49.52 | houn | It's failing because there's no space left on /target |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell henry_ about win32diskimager |
| 02:49.57 | houn | Which I assume is the future root |
| 02:49.58 | henry_ | I was dd'ing the netinst iso onto the usb |
| 02:50.34 | henry_ | well houn, i'm running debian right now, so i don't need dpkg to tell me about win32 disk imager |
| 02:50.38 | henry_ | but thanks |
| 02:50.51 | nonconvergent | I was trying to setup a jessie chroot on on wheezy but it looks like the nvidia versions don't match. |
| 02:50.53 | houn | Oh, no. |
| 02:50.54 | houn | Not you. |
| 02:50.55 | houn | Me. |
| 02:50.57 | houn | That's my problem. |
| 02:51.08 | houn | I just figured my problem out. :D |
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| 02:51.17 | henry_ | oh wait, that was abrotman telling me about something and i thought it was you |
| 02:51.19 | henry_ | nevermind |
| 02:51.20 | houn | Also, I didn't say that. |
| 02:51.46 | houn | Also also... I got nothin'. |
| 02:51.55 | houn | Don't let installer set up your partitions, I guess. |
| 02:51.58 | henry_ | so... anyway, now that we're through all that confusion |
| 02:51.59 | frostschutz | henry_, I use grub and the netboot/debian-installer/.../linux,initrd |
| 02:52.36 | henry_ | frostschutz: i almost understand what you are telling me, please elaborate a tiny bit more |
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| 02:53.33 | henry_ | what i keep getting is when i boot from my netinst usb media, it says it can't find the "release file" on the "cd" |
| 02:53.44 | henry_ | after choosing keyboard layout and stuff |
| 02:53.58 | henry_ | i had this same problem my first time around and somehow i figured it out but i can't remember how |
| 02:54.20 | frostschutz | the cd expects a cd |
| 02:55.23 | frostschutz | henry_, and I have a grub stick with a dozen live iso anyway, so... this is what I use for debian netinst http://bpaste.net/show/188266/ |
| 02:55.25 | houn | What's the going size for / these days? |
| 02:55.41 | houn | The 2.7G that the installer chose was too small. |
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| 02:57.10 | cypherman | hi people, i need to increase the number of ttys |
| 02:57.25 | IO-Mind | anyone got some ideas for me how I can/should map keys, preferably Fn+Left/Right, to increasing/decreasing values in /sys/class/backlights/intel_backlight/brightness ? (Currently Fn-keys alters values in .../backlights/acpi_video0/brightness which does not alter actual screen brightness) |
| 02:57.35 | henry_ | frostschutz: i'm so jealous... I wanna make a grubstick now |
| 02:57.37 | cypherman | is it possible? say have 11 ttys and the ctrl+alt+F12 the gui? |
| 02:57.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | or just use screen? |
| 02:57.50 | cypherman | abrotman: how? |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | cypherman: /etc/inittab |
| 02:58.23 | henry_ | i hadn't even realized what a "tty" was and how to switch between them until earlier this week |
| 02:58.26 | henry_ | so exciting |
| 02:58.30 | henry_ | very cool |
| 02:58.45 | cypherman | just that? i already edited the /etc/defaults/console-setup to have [1-11] but nothing happened |
| 02:59.02 | tomodachi | IO-Mind: make a script that increases the value by one, then bind a key to launch that script (xmodmap) |
| 02:59.10 | tomodachi | xmodmap |
| 02:59.14 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: Can I recommand you the nice sxhkd program ? There is some other olders X keybind catchers implementations like xmodmap |
| 02:59.18 | henry_ | so maybe instead of trying to reinstall debian here i should just try to fix my screwed-up video drivers and stuff |
| 02:59.36 | houn | Awesome. The installer didn't install everything. |
| 02:59.59 | houn | I swear, I'm cursed. I can't just install a distro; I always have to fiddle and clean up after a broken installer. *sigh* |
| 03:00.40 | IO-Mind | thanks to both of you, tomodachi and Goodbox, I'll check it out. will I be able to launch scripts with su privileges through xmodmap, though? |
| 03:01.03 | henry_ | i've got a radeon hd3850, and first i installed fglrx-legacy-drivers but that didn't work right so i downloaded the drivers from AMD and followed some instructions about changing linux headers and stuff and installed them and that didn't work so i went back to fglrx and now... I can't seem to open "system settings" and i can't seem to find "display settings" anywhere... so i figured i should just do a nice fresh install |
| 03:01.20 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: Yes you can add a sudo or pam rule :) |
| 03:01.29 | IO-Mind | thanks :) |
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| 03:01.42 | cypherman | abrotman: but doi have to skip the tty7 or the gui will use the first free tty? |
| 03:01.43 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: However, I guess there is much simpler ways |
| 03:01.59 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: what are those? |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | cypherman: it has documentation, I'm sure you'll want to read it before messing iwth such an important file |
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| 03:02.44 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: prehaps using xbacklight behind a xmodmap or sxhkd |
| 03:02.51 | henry_ | frostschutz: that paste you showed me with configurations for grub |
| 03:03.03 | henry_ | where does that configuration file go? |
| 03:03.11 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: ok, thanks again, I'll look this up. |
| 03:04.15 | henry_ | ah it looks like i'm asking stupid questions again |
| 03:04.21 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: I believe that xbacklight is a kind of brighntess emulation, not the sysfs class control |
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| 03:04.47 | frostschutz | henry_, you could put those files on your /boot and load it directly from the grub shell, and thus even forgo the usb stick, but you'd not be able to boot it any more once your fresh install overwrites things |
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| 03:08.04 | Goodbox | for my bnx2 problem, I just see that the DC rescue system does not have *bnx2 package. I'm painfully going to reupload/boot my modified netinstall iso over my asymetric internet access, in order to see what I can modprobe during the install process... |
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| 03:09.38 | henry_ | frostschutz: hmm. How do i put grub on a USB stick? I just tried "apt-get install grub sdc" but apparently that's not how you do it because it didn't work :D |
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| 03:14.04 | Goodbox | henry_: sdc isn't a package… |
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| 03:14.25 | henry_ | that's what it told me! |
| 03:14.35 | henry_ | i'm laughing at myself too, it's ok |
| 03:14.42 | bazhang | did you mean 'grub-install' ? |
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| 03:14.55 | henry_ | i was hoping that would somehow make it install grub to sdc |
| 03:15.05 | henry_ | hey bazhang i think you hit the nail on the head |
| 03:15.26 | bazhang | the grub wiki is pretty clear about this, also #grub |
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| 03:15.52 | henry_ | hmm |
| 03:16.02 | henry_ | i'm getting "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `sdc'." |
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| 03:16.13 | henry_ | maybe i need to tell it /dev/sdc |
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| 03:17.00 | Goodbox | henry_: you should have your partition set up on the usb stick, and install the bootloader using a grub-install program understandable device path |
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| 03:17.17 | Goodbox | henry_: such as /dev/sdc yes |
| 03:17.40 | henry_ | thanks |
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| 03:18.00 | weNeedHelp | Imaginative. Unpretentious. A gadget. The Kidnap Rescue Mission.Please feel free to watch it, we NEED your "LIKE"ssS for the video @ |
| 03:18.00 | weNeedHelp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDW1F_wjvBk |
| 03:18.00 | weNeedHelp | A million thanks for your HELP and Have a Nice Day! :) |
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| 03:18.33 | weNeedHelp | #flood Imaginative. Unpretentious. A gadget. The Kidnap Rescue Mission.Please feel free to watch it, we NEED your "LIKE"ssS for the video @ |
| 03:18.33 | weNeedHelp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDW1F_wjvBk |
| 03:18.33 | weNeedHelp | A million thanks for your HELP and Have a Nice Day! :) |
| 03:18.53 | Goodbox | #damnedbots |
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| 03:20.19 | henry_ | Goodbox: sorry to trouble you, probably almost as annoying as the bots--but, could you tell me (pretty please) exactly how i need to partition my USB stick? |
| 03:20.58 | henry_ | i'm not sure how big i should make the partitions, whether they should be fat16 or fat32 or ext2 or ext4 or whether i need to set boot flags or anything |
| 03:22.06 | Goodbox | henry_: as you need your space went to be ! for a usb be key, I personnally will using a sigle partition formated in ext4 |
| 03:22.33 | Goodbox | (I have no ideas if my sentence was correct) |
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| 03:22.51 | Goodbox | single* |
| 03:23.17 | bullgard4 | How long does Rhythmbox keep a directory in the (intelligent) playlist »Recently Added«? (In Banshee it is one week.) |
| 03:24.08 | henry_ | frostschutz: i'm trying to make a grubstick to use as a debian installer. so, partition USB drive into two partitions, one for grub and one for the debian iso? |
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| 03:25.01 | Goodbox | henry_: uuh, are you trying to create a debian usb installer or a persistant live-usb N |
| 03:25.03 | asterismo | is it possible to autologin all TTYs? |
| 03:25.04 | Goodbox | ? * |
| 03:25.13 | henry_ | debian usb installer |
| 03:25.31 | Goodbox | henry_: just use the dd program to copy the iso to your usb key… |
| 03:25.32 | frostschutz | henry_, there is no iso. sorry, if you're not familiar with grub, maybe it is not the simplest method |
| 03:25.54 | asterismo | abrotman, ? |
| 03:26.26 | Goodbox | asterismo: it's possible, but there is no sence to do that |
| 03:26.37 | henry_ | goodbox: that was exactly what i was trying to do but it wasn't working out so well |
| 03:27.07 | asterismo | the thing is that my netbook requires 3 passwords to boot up, so it's pretty secure, the bios passwd, the hard drive and the encrypted LVM |
| 03:27.29 | Goodbox | henry_: that's maybe you misunderstood what you was attempting to do |
| 03:27.39 | asterismo | so i would like to boot up with all ttys logged in to not write the password and username 4, 5 or 6 times |
| 03:27.51 | Goodbox | henry_: or maybe your bios does not support usb boot |
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| 03:28.22 | Goodbox | asterismo: that a quite useless to proceed like that |
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| 03:28.39 | henry_ | neither are the case! I dd'd the netinst iso to the thumbdrive and installed debian on this system, that's how i got to where i am now, talking to you |
| 03:28.42 | Goodbox | asterismo: use a terminal multiplexer instead. |
| 03:28.47 | henry_ | now i'm trying to do it over again |
| 03:28.54 | asterismo | Goodbox, i would like to use mutt, weechat, htop... all in ttys, not X |
| 03:29.05 | Goodbox | asterismo: ... |
| 03:29.09 | asterismo | i use terminator in X |
| 03:29.21 | asterismo | but this is for ttys |
| 03:29.43 | Goodbox | asterismo: first termiminater is the more bloated vte I ever see, twice, you dont need to use X |
| 03:29.44 | henry_ | and when i start going through the install process, after i choose languages and keyboard zones and such, it says "cannot find release files" |
| 03:29.55 | Goodbox | asterismo: a terminal multiplexer does not require X |
| 03:29.56 | henry_ | so i figured maybe my usb key was corrupted or the iso was or something |
| 03:30.01 | asterismo | Goodbox, i'm listening... |
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| 03:31.01 | asterismo | Goodbox, i enjoy the Ctrl+Alt+Fn shortcuts, but the fact that i have to login every time... |
| 03:31.05 | asterismo | what do you suggest= |
| 03:31.07 | asterismo | ? |
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| 03:31.44 | Goodbox | asterismo: install the terminal multiplexer of your choice and configure it as your convinence. |
| 03:32.29 | asterismo | what terminal multiplexer would you recommend? |
| 03:32.50 | Goodbox | asterismo: For my part I'm using tmux. |
| 03:33.31 | bazhang | http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:33.36 | bazhang | asterismo, ^ |
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| 03:34.44 | henry_ | frostschutz: I'm not all that familiar with grub really, but if you give me some simple directions and i follow them and it works, i'll make my desktop background a big splash that says "ALL HAIL frostschutz!" |
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| 03:35.00 | henry_ | and leave it that way forever. |
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| 03:35.31 | Goodbox | asterismo: you even have the ability to use it directly after the login, on your in vain secured box (you dont uses a crypted fs, then everybody can read your data on your disk) |
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| 03:36.17 | Goodbox | henry_: after writing the iso on your key, does the usb was booting ? |
| 03:36.39 | henry_ | yes |
| 03:36.52 | henry_ | but during the install, it can't find the "release files" |
| 03:36.56 | Goodbox | asterismo: use * please excuse my bad english. |
| 03:37.28 | bazhang | https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html henry_ |
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| 03:44.32 | ice9 | does debian use apparmor or selinux? |
| 03:45.01 | Goodbox | ice9: not by default, you can install it ! |
| 03:45.18 | ice9 | Goodbox: debian doesn't use any of them by default? |
| 03:45.36 | Goodbox | ice9: not any |
| 03:46.25 | ice9 | but what's the wisdom behind that? |
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| 03:48.21 | Goodbox | ice9: maybe beacause that's useless without computing need of groups and process isolations like that |
| 03:49.56 | bazhang | https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowTo ice9 |
| 03:50.05 | ice9 | Goodbox: in Ubuntu there are updates for apps and kernel very frequently, how is it in Debian? |
| 03:50.48 | Goodbox | ice9: debian does not follow Canonical's choices for the main stable release. |
| 03:50.58 | centrx | ice9, Depends on which version of Debian you are using |
| 03:51.01 | Goodbox | ice9: uses testing or unstable instead. |
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| 03:52.24 | Goodbox | use * doh I really need a lot of training |
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| 03:58.36 | ice9 | which desktop env does the cd image contain? |
| 03:58.55 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I want to run a copy of a debian running system on QEMU or vbox, I'm going to make the copy with dd, which is "better"' |
| 03:58.58 | bazhang | the net install? |
| 03:59.05 | Goodbox | ice9: it depends of the image you choose. |
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| 03:59.21 | ice9 | Goodbox: the stable one |
| 03:59.33 | ice9 | Goodbox: amd64 |
| 03:59.42 | Goodbox | ice9: there is many images of the stable one |
| 03:59.58 | Goodbox | ice9: the cdrom brings gnome |
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| 04:00.34 | Goodbox | ice9: I believe that the dvd brings kde, xfce, gnome and lxde, but I'm not sure |
| 04:00.44 | centrx | ice9, The CD images contain all the desktop environments |
| 04:01.00 | centrx | ice9, All the major ones fit on DVD #1 |
| 04:01.20 | ice9 | centrx: why there are my CD and DVD images? |
| 04:01.41 | ice9 | and how can I know what's on each |
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| 04:02.00 | Goodbox | ice9: by reading the official wiki |
| 04:02.03 | peterrooney | ice9: because in theory, someone may want to do an install on a desert island with no network connection. |
| 04:02.13 | Goodbox | Resilience: between qemu and vbox ? |
| 04:02.26 | centrx | ice9, There is a list somewhere, but you are probably better off just using the net install, which downloads the packages you want as needed |
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| 04:02.42 | Resilience | Goodbox, yes |
| 04:03.23 | Goodbox | Resilience: for my part I'm working with qemu and kvm, if you like clickables interfaces, vbox is a kind of qemu fronted. |
| 04:03.45 | Goodbox | frontend * |
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| 04:03.59 | ice9 | does Debian support EFI booting? |
| 04:04.40 | Resilience | Goodbox, I remember having worked with qemu and dd'ed images and everything was fine (but the networking I think) |
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| 04:06.00 | Goodbox | Resilience: I relies my vm's network through a libvirt managed bridge, however you just be able to use the user net |
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| 04:06.44 | Resilience | Goodbox, so I think that both qemu and vbox are the same... does vbox work with dd'ed images? |
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| 04:07.55 | Goodbox | Resilience: I can't give you a response, due I almost never use vbox |
| 04:08.29 | Goodbox | Resilience: I know that vbox uses a lot of qemu parts, then it's possibly yes |
| 04:08.44 | bazhang | http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ see Errata ice9 |
| 04:08.49 | Resilience | Goodbox, but qemu does work with dd'ed images? right? |
| 04:08.53 | WormFood | the networking not working has nothing to do with vbox, or dd....it has to do with udev |
| 04:08.58 | Goodbox | Resilience: sure ! |
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| 04:09.37 | Resilience | Goodbox, right.. do you think making dd images from a running system iis "all right"? or there will be too many errors? |
| 04:10.05 | Goodbox | Resilience: you might prefer using qemu-img tools for handling your snapshots |
| 04:10.06 | WormFood | delete or edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules before you make your image, and networking should work. |
| 04:10.17 | Goodbox | * 's |
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| 04:11.45 | Resilience | Goodbox, the problem is that I want to make a copy of a desktop to a laptop, and I have no way to phisically mount the hd of the desktop on the laptop, so I wanted to make the dd image through the network... |
| 04:12.56 | Goodbox | Resilience: just (s)cp your disk image |
| 04:13.36 | ice9 | what's the debian-update iso? |
| 04:13.50 | Resilience | Goodbox, scp? I was thinking of using nc or ssh... http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-remote-mirroring-using-nc-and-dd |
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| 04:14.51 | WormFood | dd if=/dev/sda | nc -q 1 remote_machine.com 1234....and on the remote machine, nc -l -p 1234 |dd>/dev/sda.....bonus, do from another window --> while (killall -SIGUSR1 dd) ; do sleep 30s ; done ....and dd will print out how much it has processed |
| 04:15.03 | Goodbox | Resilience: that's not really the best way for virtualisation… you can use a network fs like sshfs or nfs |
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| 04:15.21 | LtL | ice9: its point release update that you can just as easily get off the net if you installed anything less than 7.4 |
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| 04:15.45 | LoneStar99 | howdy folks |
| 04:15.57 | Goodbox | Resilience: but you talking about making a copy, not a network replication |
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| 04:16.01 | Resilience | Goodbox, why not? I want to reformat the desktop, but I want to be sure that I have saved all the information, so for being sure I'm going to take a virtuslized snapshot in case I forget something... |
| 04:17.08 | LoneStar99 | anyone here know how I can refresh my chrooted account so that uid and gid are replaced by user name and groups instead of numbers? |
| 04:17.16 | Goodbox | oh, my apologies, I misunderstood, you want install your vm to the laptop hard disk. Then WormFood's way is kind ! |
| 04:17.33 | Resilience | Goodbox, desktop(hd) ->nc/ssh------->laptop(dd'ed image) -> qemu so I have my backup copy and I can retrieve anything I have forgotten |
| 04:18.06 | Resilience | Goodbox, yes, it is for a gome suystem, and is a kind of dirty back up, for if I forgot to save something from the deskyop (mails, pictures, whatever) |
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| 04:18.58 | henry_ | anybody tell me how to change the system time from the terminal? |
| 04:19.15 | Resilience | Henry151, you can check hwclock |
| 04:19.19 | henry_ | or better yet, set it to automatically get time from a timeserver |
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| 04:19.24 | henry_ | Thanks Resilience |
| 04:19.28 | Resilience | henry_,, you can check hwclock |
| 04:19.48 | henry_ | I'm actually Henry151, funny enough |
| 04:19.50 | Resilience | henry_, ntp server apt-cache search ntp |
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| 04:20.40 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: isn't clear, users and group databases uses uid and gid correspondences, are you talking about using only names ? |
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| 04:21.08 | Goodbox | henry_: or juste the date command |
| 04:21.15 | Goodbox | -e |
| 04:21.35 | WormFood | ntpdate is better, if you don't want to run ntpd |
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| 04:21.46 | LoneStar99 | Goodbox: for example in my chrooted account ls -l produces -> drwxr-xr-x 5 502 504 4096 Mar 12 05:21 pub |
| 04:22.01 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: what about id |
| 04:22.04 | LoneStar99 | 502 is user and 504 is group |
| 04:22.16 | henry_ | I don't know what i did to this computer but it won't let me change the date and time |
| 04:22.40 | bazhang | groundhog day |
| 04:23.06 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: how has you created the user and group ? |
| 04:23.23 | Goodbox | -has, sorry, really. |
| 04:23.28 | LoneStar99 | have copied /etc/passwd to chroot account but uid and gid are still not being associated with user and group name |
| 04:23.42 | LoneStar99 | Goodbox: created using root |
| 04:23.54 | Resilience | Goodbox, so if I understand you, my way is right for make this dirty trick, right? |
| 04:23.59 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: that is a quite dirty, recreate your users and groups |
| 04:24.08 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: inside the chroot |
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| 04:24.22 | LoneStar99 | goodbox yeap dirty |
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| 04:24.44 | henry_ | So, new question. What's the easiest way to completely re-install debian from a computer with a network connection? |
| 04:24.47 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: and you probably have to replace the /etc/passwd in the chroot by a clean one |
| 04:25.05 | henry_ | is there some magic "re-install button" or command that i'm not aware of? |
| 04:25.12 | Goodbox | henry_: by running the debian installer |
| 04:25.18 | LoneStar99 | Goodbox: ok what is the first step i should take? |
| 04:25.20 | WormFood | henry_, that depends on your definition of "easiest". I personally find the easiest way for me, is with a network install (boot over the network, and install over the network) |
| 04:25.23 | bazhang | depends on your level of competence really |
| 04:25.32 | bazhang | net install is fairly painless |
| 04:25.58 | WormFood | it's less than painless...it's a breeze |
| 04:26.08 | bazhang | for you |
| 04:26.14 | henry_ | net install, here we go |
| 04:26.15 | WormFood | it wasn't for you? |
| 04:26.17 | Goodbox | LoneStar99: backup your chrooted work, redebootsrap |
| 04:26.41 | bazhang | well, I've been using Linux for nearly a decade, so ofc yes |
| 04:26.51 | WormFood | henry_, the hardest part will be getting the network all setup....but if you happen to have that already done, then adding a netboot is easy....if you don't have a netboot setup, it can be a pain. |
| 04:26.52 | LoneStar99 | Goodbox: ok let me try that |
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| 04:27.16 | henry_ | hm |
| 04:27.16 | WormFood | bazhang, I've been using linux for almost 20 years ;) Started in '95 |
| 04:27.20 | henry_ | ok wormfood |
| 04:27.27 | Resilience | WormFood, I think that editing the -udev rules can be done in the dd'ed image, right? |
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| 04:27.57 | WormFood | sure Resilience, however, I recommend you remove that file out of that directory, so it can be recreated. |
| 04:28.26 | WormFood | don't rename it, or it will still be processed...I forget what exactly it looks for, but you can change whatever it looks for to make it not process that rule |
| 04:29.03 | Resilience | WormFood, so I dd-ed the image to the laptop, run qemu img, delete the udev rules file and restart the qemu image, can it be done so? |
| 04:29.04 | henry_ | the machine i'm using to talk to you folks on IRC is the machine in question... i have it connected to the internet, but somehow i imagine that by "getting the network all setup" you mean more than that |
| 04:29.27 | henry_ | i'll go read stuff and leave you folks alone until i get frustrated again and come back to ask more silly questions |
| 04:29.56 | WormFood | yes Resilience, that should work to make your network not give problems |
| 04:30.15 | Resilience | WormFood, thanks man :) |
| 04:30.19 | WormFood | OR...after you boot, edit that file, and then you can move the same image back and forth between those 2 machines, and it will work |
| 04:30.41 | Resilience | WormFood, thanks |
| 04:30.43 | WormFood | actually, there are several ways to work around that problem |
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| 04:31.00 | Goodbox | WormFood: did you know a way to bring a nonfree (bnx2) driver in install process ? (For the moment I recreated a jessie netinst iso which contain the appropriated package in pool/f/firmware-nonfree symlinked in the firmare dir, driver is marked as used by the kernel, however the interface is recognized correctly, but does not work at all) |
| 04:31.13 | Goodbox | contains* |
| 04:32.08 | WormFood | what is happening is udev is assigning your "new" ethernet interface to the name eth1...which you don't have configured....so you can edit /etc/network/interfaces, and add eth1....but I feel the easiest way to delete or edit udev rules to make eth0 the same on both machines |
| 04:32.12 | Goodbox | WormFood: sorry for my bad painful problem :/ |
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| 04:33.16 | WormFood | Goodbox, I don't understand exactly what your problem is. Once the firmware files are in the proper directory, it should automatically load them. |
| 04:34.02 | WormFood | what I like to do, is to boot knoppix, and "steal" their firmware directory, because it seems to work with everything. |
| 04:34.41 | Goodbox | WormFood: Okay, I'm goind to reload the install process through the idrac in order to investigate |
| 04:34.44 | Goodbox | *g |
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| 04:37.45 | WormFood | anyone have any ideas why my sata3 drives are always configured as sata2? I know my hardware and drives all support sata3. |
| 04:38.29 | Goodbox | WormFood: I just put the bnx2 firmaware package inside the pool tree and linked it to firmware, let me retry, it would take long time since I must uploading the modified netinst img |
| 04:38.36 | WormFood | and whenever I hot-add a drive, it *never* configures itself as sata3, even if it does when I boot (I'm having this problem with multiple machines) |
| 04:38.53 | WormFood | good luck with it Goodbox ;) |
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| 04:52.30 | henry_ | i'm reading about the gnu hurd |
| 04:52.48 | henry_ | sounds like the holy grail of operating systems |
| 04:53.25 | bazhang | s/grail/nightmare/ |
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| 04:54.27 | dioz | bazzy! |
| 04:54.31 | dioz | bazhang: |
| 04:54.34 | bazhang | hi |
| 04:54.37 | dioz | hi 2 u bb!!! |
| 04:54.38 | Goodbox | bazhang: +1 |
| 04:55.13 | dioz | i run hurd in a vm |
| 04:55.27 | henry_ | i'm jealous |
| 04:55.32 | Goodbox | dioz: with which userland ? |
| 04:55.47 | bazhang | debian has a hurd iirc |
| 04:56.01 | henry_ | ye[ |
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| 04:56.04 | henry_ | yep* |
| 04:57.13 | dioz | why you so interested in my systems bro? |
| 04:57.32 | henry_ | so how long have y'all been hanging out in #debian? |
| 04:57.40 | dioz | this isn't a off topic chat |
| 04:57.44 | dioz | you'll get in shit here |
| 04:57.55 | dioz | they'll ask you to take it to ##debian-offtopic or something |
| 04:57.59 | dioz | ffreenode is anal like that |
| 04:58.06 | henry_ | true that |
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| 04:58.45 | henry_ | back on topic: i'm debating with myself on whether it's going to be harder to reinstall debian or try to fix whatever i screwed up on this install of it |
| 04:59.03 | dioz | lemme know who wins |
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| 04:59.17 | henry_ | sure. I'm betting on henry. |
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| 04:59.38 | Goodbox | dioz: uh for some reasons. First I find that the mach mk has really long responses times compared to Tanenbaum's first unix-like implementation, Twice i tested hurd with the debian userland, it was unusable. |
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| 05:00.06 | napalm_christ | thinks r |
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| 05:00.30 | henry_ | napalm_christ: I forget how to make things display that way in IRC |
| 05:01.42 | dioz | Goodbox: what do you mean unstable? |
| 05:01.47 | dioz | in what way? |
| 05:01.49 | napalm_christ | thinks ubuntu and suse are the best distros for servers. |
| 05:02.23 | napalm_christ | thinks mint is the best destro for client. |
| 05:02.29 | henry_ | so, when i ran a debian live from a usb key, and there was a debian installer in the menu i clicked on and ran to install debian--i'm wondering, is there a way to just download that installer and run it to re-install debian? |
| 05:03.28 | dioz | from within the operating system on the hard drive with the partition for the filesystem you're installing the system on? |
| 05:04.18 | dioz | i imagine at some point in time you'd have to reboot to accomplish that |
| 05:04.20 | henry_ | yes and no... preferably yes, but i have another hard-drive i could use instead |
| 05:04.26 | Goodbox | dioz: just after the installation was done, I tried to update the package's cache and installing links... Impossible, I dont remember why. Since I never tried again :/ |
| 05:04.55 | dioz | did you run it in a vm or on bare metal or something? |
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| 05:05.23 | Goodbox | dioz: :p unfortunally, on a physical box |
| 05:05.50 | Goodbox | dioz: I guess that was the principal sources of all the problems |
| 05:05.55 | Goodbox | s |
| 05:06.22 | dioz | i couldn't tell you |
| 05:06.37 | dioz | i don't read minds very well |
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| 05:07.28 | napalm_christ | thinks fedora is the worst distro. |
| 05:07.58 | Goodbox | henry_: you was telling previously that your usb was booting, when the installation were stopped ? |
| 05:08.30 | henry_ | yes, couldn't find the "release files" |
| 05:09.21 | Goodbox | henry_: with the image copied with dd on your key ? |
| 05:09.44 | napalm_christ | thinks rhel is the best distro because its helpline support is the best. |
| 05:10.05 | Goodbox | ^^ |
| 05:10.11 | dioz | specifically with dd ? |
| 05:10.11 | henry_ | i downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso , I dd 'd it to the usb key, i booted from the usb key, i hit "install," I chose my keyboard layout and language, and then it gave me a message to the effect of "couldn't find release files" |
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| 05:10.44 | Goodbox | henry_: did you synced the disks before unplugging the key ? |
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| 05:11.00 | henry_ | "dd if=debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst.iso of=sdc bs512k" after checking with gparted to be sure that sdc was the 4gb usb key |
| 05:11.12 | henry_ | didn't sync the disk, not sure what that is |
| 05:11.12 | dioz | release files as in repos? |
| 05:11.12 | Goodbox | o.o |
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| 05:11.41 | Goodbox | henry_: if you missed the correct device path, that's normal |
| 05:11.58 | henry_ | ah no that was a typo just now |
| 05:12.03 | henry_ | /dev/sdc |
| 05:12.06 | dioz | what was the specific error you got? |
| 05:12.10 | dioz | specfically |
| 05:12.13 | Goodbox | henry_: then you synced ? |
| 05:12.35 | Goodbox | okay |
| 05:12.43 | Goodbox | sorry, i didn't |
| 05:12.44 | henry_ | I'd have to run it again to know, but I recall the error said "release files" and that they were missing and that they were supposed to be on a cd |
| 05:13.03 | Goodbox | henry_: what about the checksum ? |
| 05:13.12 | dioz | are you in windows or something? |
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| 05:13.21 | henry_ | didn't check the checksum, though i did try it three times over, with two different usb keys |
| 05:13.24 | henry_ | i'm in debian now |
| 05:13.35 | henry_ | i installed this system by making a live usb, because i had the same error |
| 05:13.38 | dioz | the debian system you're having issues with? |
| 05:13.43 | henry_ | yes |
| 05:14.01 | dioz | is this when you run apt-get update upgrade? |
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| 05:14.09 | Goodbox | henry_: can you do a du -h *netinst.iso ? |
| 05:14.15 | henry_ | no update upgrade works fine |
| 05:14.37 | henry_ | du -h *netinst.iso ? what will that do? unfamiliar with the du command |
| 05:14.49 | Goodbox | disk usage |
| 05:14.57 | Goodbox | in order to see its size |
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| 05:15.12 | Goodbox | maybe it miss some bytes |
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| 05:15.34 | henry_ | 278M |
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| 05:16.03 | LtL | henry_: its foolish not to check hash checksums on your install image and the burned image before you even attempt installation. |
| 05:16.04 | Goodbox | seem correct, however du gives you an average size |
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| 05:16.28 | dioz | i don't check checksums very often |
| 05:16.55 | napalm_christ | henry_: download the iso with a brodband connection and burn it by nero |
| 05:17.02 | dioz | burn it with the neros |
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| 05:17.08 | LtL | dioz: for the time it takes its cheap insurance |
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| 05:17.56 | dioz | i mean out of the 1000's of files i have downloaded |
| 05:18.08 | henry_ | I had this same problem when i first went to install debian on this computer, so instead of downloading the netinst image, I downloaded the live iso, and that worked fine. However, when I ran the debian installer from within the live debian usb system, I got an error about it being missing something (possibly also "release files"? can't remember) but i skipped the installation step and kept going |
| 05:18.14 | henry_ | my system worked |
| 05:18.17 | henry_ | it works still |
| 05:18.18 | dioz | during my internet career i think i've had maybe 7 bad checksums and that's because i was using torrents or nntp |
| 05:19.00 | henry_ | but i screwed up my drivers and stuff now and i want a nice fresh clean new install |
| 05:19.09 | henry_ | i downloaded the iso's with wget |
| 05:19.14 | henry_ | they're tiny |
| 05:19.17 | henry_ | i'm on broadband |
| 05:19.31 | henry_ | it's not lightning fast but it's fast enough |
| 05:19.49 | napalm_christ | henry_: use idm. |
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| 05:20.00 | dioz | use unetbootin |
| 05:20.36 | henry_ | are you guys yanking my chain or are these serious suggestions? and what's idm? |
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| 05:20.58 | henry_ | just checking because sarcasm is hard to catch on the internet when you're as thick as i am |
| 05:21.01 | dioz | i don't even know entirely what your specific question is |
| 05:21.08 | henry_ | ha |
| 05:21.14 | henry_ | i guess i have two questions |
| 05:21.25 | Goodbox | discovers new expressions =) |
| 05:21.35 | dioz | the one with the random error message you can't be very specific about |
| 05:21.41 | henry_ | one: Why am i getting this weird error about missing release files every time I use the netinst iso image? |
| 05:21.42 | henry_ | yep |
| 05:21.57 | bazhang | pastebin the error |
| 05:22.00 | dioz | and the one about installing from within the operating system itself using a command |
| 05:22.09 | dioz | some simple method |
| 05:22.14 | henry_ | and two: how can i really easily re-install debian some other way besides this darned netinst iso |
| 05:22.16 | henry_ | yes |
| 05:22.20 | dioz | yah i figured those are your two questions |
| 05:22.20 | henry_ | you win on both counts |
| 05:22.33 | dioz | i'll let bazhang take this one |
| 05:22.34 | henry_ | i will pastebin the error. be back shortly. |
| 05:22.39 | dioz | night time for me sry =/ |
| 05:22.46 | henry_ | thanks for your help! |
| 05:22.51 | henry_ | I <3 #debian |
| 05:23.11 | henry_ | (no sarcasm) |
| 05:23.37 | henry_ | you guys have been here for me while i struggle to install debian since 2002 :D |
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| 05:24.00 | Goodbox | –night' dioz |
| 05:24.23 | dioz | no |
| 05:24.25 | henry_ | I'm persistent, even though i've yet to have a functional debian system for more than a couple days at a time after 12 years of trying. be right back with an error message pastebin |
| 05:24.30 | LtL | henry_: cd1 has worked for me for ten years. |
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| 05:24.43 | henry_ | cd1? |
| 05:24.58 | LtL | henry_: thats all you need |
| 05:24.59 | dioz | when you talk about linux you don't talk about it like you talk about windows |
| 05:25.02 | dioz | for starters |
| 05:25.12 | dioz | linux is a kernel and you have a userland with all your "apps" on top of that |
| 05:25.32 | dioz | wget is a specific app |
| 05:25.42 | dioz | you have specific graphical user environments |
| 05:25.44 | bazhang | app... |
| 05:25.50 | dioz | you have specific tools to accomplish specific tasks |
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| 05:26.03 | dioz | don't think about instlaling debian like installing windows |
| 05:27.03 | dioz | and just like windows you have specific places the executables are stored |
| 05:27.05 | Lewoco | Why is the default umask 022 even though each user has their own private group? |
| 05:27.11 | dioz | and specific places the configuration files are stored |
| 05:27.19 | dioz | and specific places log files are even stores |
| 05:27.30 | henry_ | i love the beauty of the system |
| 05:27.32 | henry_ | i can see it |
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| 05:27.59 | dioz | it's all just ones and zeros |
| 05:28.05 | dioz | HAHAHAHA |
| 05:28.10 | dioz | okay bye |
| 05:28.16 | henry_ | everything is a file :) that had me grinning for weeks and shaking my head |
| 05:28.18 | henry_ | good night |
| 05:28.19 | bazhang | bye |
| 05:28.57 | henry_ | f0r3v3r\ |
| 05:29.30 | henry_ | that was definitely meant for another window |
| 05:30.01 | LtL | yeah #AOL |
| 05:32.03 | Goodbox | henry_: prehaps you should try installing an other unix-like open-source user-desktop oriented system which loves you a little bit more, twelve years of trying, seem fruscating :/ |
| 05:32.13 | Goodbox | to * |
| 05:32.45 | Goodbox | hit his-self |
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| 05:33.46 | Goodbox | uh and sh*t is "himself" |
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| 05:36.01 | okee | Can someone tell me a command for changing the pin order, so that I can access a package from the testing track, when I normally use unstable? I realize the command is deprecated, but I would like to use it anyway. |
| 05:36.41 | bazhang | apt-pinning? |
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| 05:37.57 | henry_ | LtL: I just realized what you said right as my computer was going into reboot |
| 05:38.06 | henry_ | cd 1 of the main installer is all i need? |
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| 05:41.04 | houn | Hey, I got an install to work. Wooo! |
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| 05:41.38 | LtL | henry_: yes cd1 and a wired ethernet connection is handy. |
| 05:42.29 | henry_ | wow |
| 05:42.30 | henry_ | done |
| 05:42.32 | henry_ | that is it |
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| 05:43.05 | henry_ | i remember now, i went through that whole same song and dance like 5 years ago on one of my old laptops. Then I didn't have a wired connection, and gave up. |
| 05:43.19 | henry_ | this time it will be easy and awesome |
| 05:43.20 | MasterFocus | anyone heard about the problematic qf9700 driver? (usb-ethernet adapter) |
| 05:44.55 | MasterFocus | I'm trying to compile this driver under Debian Wheezy but it's absolutely impossible |
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| 05:45.46 | Goodbox | where the compilation fails MasterFocus ? |
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| 05:46.33 | MasterFocus | unkown field 'ndo_set_multicast_list' specified in initializer |
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| 05:47.03 | MasterFocus | that's the error. then I only see 2 warnings (on the same line) |
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| 05:47.42 | Goodbox | MasterFocus: maybe a default option which require a missed dep ? |
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| 05:48.04 | MasterFocus | not sure. I installed "linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae" |
| 05:48.10 | MasterFocus | and all dependencies |
| 05:48.40 | Goodbox | MasterFocus: okay :/ |
| 05:48.48 | MasterFocus | you may find some people struggling with this qf9700 if you google it |
| 05:49.04 | MasterFocus | I tried the 2.6.37 version, the 2.6.32 |
| 05:49.15 | MasterFocus | mixed some source files... nothing seems to work |
| 05:51.16 | MasterFocus | :( |
| 05:51.59 | bazhang | mixed sources from differing releases? |
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| 05:52.31 | MasterFocus | I don't even know anymore lol |
| 05:52.44 | bazhang | pastebin your sources.list |
| 05:53.00 | MasterFocus | no, not that sources |
| 05:53.09 | MasterFocus | the source code for compiling the qf9700 driver |
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| 05:53.25 | Goodbox | MasterFocus: I guess you don't found any bin or src deb... |
| 05:53.38 | MasterFocus | won't* ? |
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| 05:54.08 | Goodbox | you are right, sorry |
| 05:54.15 | Goodbox | thx * |
| 05:54.39 | MasterFocus | I've extensively googled about qf9700 and debian |
| 05:54.48 | MasterFocus | looks like one guy was able to make it work under Debian squeeze |
| 05:54.54 | bazhang | http://mquin.livejournal.com/178482.html |
| 05:54.59 | MasterFocus | yes, that link |
| 05:55.02 | bazhang | he's staff here |
| 05:55.05 | MasterFocus | won't even open it, I know what that is |
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| 05:55.34 | bazhang | you're welcome |
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| 05:55.41 | MasterFocus | :) |
| 05:55.53 | MasterFocus | again, that "ndo_set_multicast_list" field seems to be the problem |
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| 05:56.07 | MasterFocus | :/ |
| 05:56.10 | bazhang | you have it well in hand. |
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| 06:17.27 | funyun | hi. i accidentally deleted /etc/network/interfaces. is there any command i can use to check what was in that file since i haven't rebooted yet and changes have not taken affect? |
| 06:18.57 | MasterFocus | Goodbox, bazhang: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=285251 |
| 06:19.29 | MasterFocus | no errors so far, but I already restarted the machine and ifconfig doesn't show anything but local loopback |
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| 06:23.31 | wols | funyun:not really. what network interfaces do you have? and what do you use to configure the network normally? |
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| 06:23.45 | wols | e.g. is networkmanager running and used to configure your network? |
| 06:24.28 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: xmodmap doesn't seem to me to map keys to commands; rather just map keys, so I tried xbindkeys instead. xbindkeys does the binding correctly, but it fails to execute my bash scripts with sudo privileges :( it's slightly odd, as the xbindkeys-config ran as regular user is able to execute the scripts (using the "Run Action" button), but a key-combination does nothing with sudo attached to it.. |
| 06:24.45 | funyun | wols: its on a dedicated server i'm renting from OVH. so it came set up. i was following a guide but i forgot to save the info before i replaced the file |
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| 06:27.51 | shingouz | funyun: i would personally just check what you have with ifconfig -a, route and possibly iwconfig, then manually create a new file. the fileformat is not very difficult even to hack together manually |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | funyun: here's my [default] file |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | # The loopback network interface |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | auto lo |
| 06:27.55 | IO-Mind | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 06:29.10 | IO-Mind | in case everything wasn't pasted; http://paste.debian.net/87412/ |
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| 06:32.27 | funyun | shingouz: ifconfig: command not found iwconfig: command not found |
| 06:32.37 | funyun | IO-Mind: is that from an OVH server? |
| 06:32.48 | shingouz | funyun: are you root when you do that? |
| 06:32.59 | funyun | oh no, sorry |
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| 06:33.31 | shingouz | funyun: you can use those even as non-root by giving the full path, btw |
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| 06:34.51 | funyun | shingouz: iwconfig: command not found even with root |
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| 06:35.06 | wols | funyun: you have no wlan. please read docs before you blindly use programs |
| 06:35.25 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: have you tried by adding a nopasswd rule to the sudoers ? |
| 06:35.48 | somiaj | funyun: install wireless-tools |
| 06:36.41 | funyun | shingouz: can you help me edit the file correctly with the info from those commands? |
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| 06:37.57 | shingouz | funyun: did you read what i asked dpkg to tell you? all the necessary information sits there already... |
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| 06:38.35 | shingouz | funyun: paste the output of ifconfig -a somewhere, lets start from there |
| 06:39.09 | alanjf | I installed 7.4 Wheezy, am wanting to install kde, tried `aptitude install kde-desktop` but it doesn't seem to be able to find it |
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| 06:39.31 | wols | alanjf: what is the output? |
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| 06:39.54 | alanjf | Couldn't find package "kde-desktop", and more than 40 |
| 06:39.54 | wols | !tell alanjf about install kde |
| 06:40.05 | funyun | shingouz: http://pastebin.com/PS1piVSu |
| 06:40.22 | alanjf | Thanks |
| 06:41.05 | alanjf | Dum question perhaps, but are kde-plasma-* for plasma monitors? |
| 06:41.25 | alanjf | Err, maybe not, seeing as one for netbooks... |
| 06:41.28 | wols | no. plasma is the name of a part of kde |
| 06:41.35 | alanjf | 3D stuff? |
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| 06:43.10 | IO-Mind | funyun: no it wasn't from a OVH server. here's a dump of my dedicated server's default /etc/network/interfaces file (removed three first bytes of addr) |
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| 06:43.24 | IO-Mind | funyun: http://paste.debian.net/87413/ |
| 06:43.26 | shingouz | funyun: you do seem to have your work for the following week nicely cut out. i have no idea if these are set up with dhcp or as static, but every single interface needs to have its own stanza in the file |
| 06:43.42 | wols | shingouz: what is "asot"? |
| 06:43.55 | wols | and the tun for example doesn't need anything |
| 06:44.05 | shingouz | wols: not a clue |
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| 06:44.25 | funyun | shingouz: so this is going to be difficult to fix? if so, i'll just start from scratch.. |
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| 06:44.36 | MasterFocus | Goodbox, bazhang: working now. dhclient eth0 did the job. |
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| 06:44.52 | Goodbox | MasterFocus: wow, nice =) |
| 06:45.19 | MasterFocus | restarted the machine, had to dhclient eth0 again |
| 06:45.34 | shingouz | funyun: what i am saying is that it can be done, just that it will take some serious time. if you do not have anything running on the thing yet, and you can do a reinstall, go for the reinstall |
| 06:45.38 | MasterFocus | gotta configure that to work automatically |
| 06:45.52 | wols | MasterFocus: man interfaces |
| 06:45.54 | funyun | okay. thanks |
| 06:45.57 | MasterFocus | but having the internet connection is already awesome. |
| 06:46.03 | MasterFocus | wols: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 06:46.25 | MasterFocus | grab that URL for future reference in case anyone comes mad about qf9700 |
| 06:46.27 | MasterFocus | cya |
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| 07:08.51 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: first attempt at a NOPASSWD entry resulted in a corrupt sudo entry.. trying again :p |
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| 07:10.35 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: is the syntax correct and the file edited with visudo ? |
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| 07:14.32 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: don't know about the syntax. Googling and just copying other's examples (which as mentioned corrupted the sudo entry for my user)... not too much information about this entry. but yeah, I used visudo |
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| 07:17.27 | luminous | if you want a package that is only availble in sid/jessie.. is it possible to add that apt repo for ONLY that package? |
| 07:18.12 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: do I modify a duplicate of my user's entry or do I modify the one and only entry? |
| 07:18.53 | us`0gb | luminous: Add the sid/jessie repo, then pin it at some low value, such as 10. |
| 07:19.13 | us`0gb | Though you should sii if it's in backports first. |
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| 07:19.33 | luminous | us`0gb: ok, thanks! |
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| 07:21.27 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: put your script(s) in /usr/local/bin/ as you implemented it, like bctl-inc , bctl-dec or bctl -i , bctl -d . After that, uses "Cmnd_Alias bctl = /usr/local/bin/bctl -i, /usr/local/bin/bctl -d" and append somewhere bctl ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 07:22.25 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: useful when you must allow specific users or groups to run programs as root |
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| 07:23.46 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: dont forget to backup /etc/sudoers before modifying it :) |
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| 07:26.52 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: and then, if your script work as root, just add a sxhkd entry like "ctrl + alt + {up,down} \n sudo bctl {-i,-d}" as your convinence. |
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| 07:38.03 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: meh |
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| 07:40.26 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: I know, sudoers is a quite obscure the first time :p |
| 07:40.55 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: there is probably more simple ways to do that, why do not try with your acpi ? |
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| 07:41.33 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: this all seems overly complicated. install an app whose name yields 500 search engine results from github, add NOPASSWD entries in sudoers with a syntax as you presented it seems questionable to me (isn't the 'bctl' part of the example where username should be inserted?), all to change Fn+Left/Right to make a simple int value modification of intel_backlight/brightness rather than acpi_video/brightness |
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| 07:42.51 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: let me write a litte exemple for you |
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| 07:46.02 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: shouldn't there be a keymap config file in Debian to begin with for it to be able to config the functions of the various keys on my keyboard? can't I just modify that config file, rather than installing new applications, possibly being required to run as a daemon in the background, just over-complicating thngs? |
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| 07:49.00 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: or even simpler/better, if I could find and modify the file/value that is ultimately resulting in BrightnessUp/Down altering the values of the wrong device |
| 07:50.12 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: about sudoers: http://bpaste.net/raw/MKIczudE4mZQ4tyIcpsn/ |
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| 07:52.16 | Goodbox | IO-Mind: yes directly in the X config, you can determine key gestures |
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| 07:56.40 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: thanks for the example. there's no entries for 'acpi_video0' in /etc/X11. searching the entire hdd now |
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| 08:14.00 | IO-Mind | Goodbox: what if I remove the devices or/and create symlinks to intel_backlight devices instead? good idea or no? :D |
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| 08:15.12 | Goodbox | uhh, then if you can remove it, they will be recreated :p |
| 08:15.28 | Goodbox | you can symlink |
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| 08:22.58 | paddy | debian, the universal operating system ... is working too well. we are out of customers :P |
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| 08:37.28 | aberlin | hi, i want to copy my debian from an normal partition into my a lv of my vg in the LVM, will this way do? (pasted into flood) |
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| 08:42.46 | BenNZ | aberlin: as far as im aware /boot needs to be outside the lvm , but other then that i cant see the problem , you will need to update your config to match tho |
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| 08:45.32 | aberlin | BenNZ: thanks, i already got this tip http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/upgraderoottolvm.html, i just need some modifications to match my case |
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| 08:50.09 | well_laid_lawn | you are writing to the same file |
| 08:51.30 | finga | well_laid_lawn: like in an loop? is there a neat way to do it? |
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| 08:54.43 | well_laid_lawn | write your change to a different file then move that file to webmin.list |
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| 08:55.17 | mepl | I've copied a bash script http://pastebin.com/5BKpRkgK but when I run it I get unifi.sh: 9: .: unifi_sh_api: not found |
| 08:55.27 | mepl | I've placed the unifi_sh_api in the same folder as the script |
| 08:55.35 | finga | well_laid_lawn, thx thats what i did. it seems to me to be dirty but i can't think of something better^^ |
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| 09:12.14 | jelly-home | finga: either use -i option for gnu sed, or a temporary file and nv |
| 09:12.23 | jelly-home | mv |
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| 09:13.25 | jelly-home | (sed -i does pretty much the same thing, behind your back) |
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| 09:24.53 | CptTrouble | dpkg: tell CptTrouble about luks |
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| 09:25.07 | nkuttler | !tell CptTrouble about selftell |
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| 09:25.31 | CptTrouble | nkuttler: :> |
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| 09:26.04 | CptTrouble | !tell me about luks |
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| 09:26.28 | paddy | CptTrouble: you can query with dpkg and ask it out |
| 09:26.29 | shingouz | CptTrouble: you can also /msg dpkg luks |
| 09:26.41 | paddy | shingouz: :) |
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| 09:26.49 | CptTrouble | thanks :) |
| 09:27.06 | CptTrouble | just searchin for a good howto/totorial about luks encryption ;) |
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| 09:27.25 | CptTrouble | luks -> lvm, not lvm -> luks :> |
| 09:28.05 | paddy | CptTrouble: just out of curiosity: why the other way around? |
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| 09:28.34 | CptTrouble | paddy? |
| 09:28.36 | Dinux | because it can |
| 09:28.51 | paddy | yeah, but is there no rationale? |
| 09:28.52 | CptTrouble | you mean why i wont use lvm -> luks? |
| 09:28.57 | paddy | yes |
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| 09:29.26 | CptTrouble | if im right, i will have more benefits of using this way. read it somewhere |
| 09:30.02 | Dinux | can unlock one volume at a time |
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| 09:30.20 | CptTrouble | you can use the benefits of a lvm. like enlarge the lvm |
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| 09:31.09 | CptTrouble | with the other method you cannot assign more space to the lvm... but correct me if im wrong |
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| 10:12.20 | halt | Hi all, i found one dependency error on one pacakage, but not sure how to resolve it. the package is the puppet, in the current stable version 2.7.23 and in the stable version of ruby is 1.9.3 BUT based on the official puppet doc this versions are incompatible http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/platforms.html#ruby-versions |
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| 10:14.29 | halt | I mean i could just install the 1.8.7 which is supported and also avaible in the repo, but this is a dependecy bug, and have to fixed, who to i should report this ? |
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| 10:32.13 | dodol1 | hi everyone.... |
| 10:32.15 | dodol1 | :D |
| 10:32.45 | dodol1 | someon can help me to compile kernel 3.12 in debian ?? |
| 10:32.52 | petern_ | Hmm, what've I done. When using xdg-open, it more often than not opens a nautilus window of the directory containing the file, instead of loading the file directly... |
| 10:32.54 | dodol1 | im new in linux |
| 10:33.17 | jpw | halt, i've just looked at puppet package on my wheezy box. the dependecy line is this: Depends: puppet-common (= 2.7.23-1~deb7u3), ruby1.8 |
| 10:33.40 | jpw | halt, what version of debian are you on? |
| 10:34.20 | dodol1 | wheezy |
| 10:34.33 | jpw | dodol1: then why do you want to compile the kernel? what new feature do you need? |
| 10:35.09 | dodol1 | my bluetooth not working in 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:35.12 | halt | jpw: as I wrote stable, but the issue is not about the the 1.8 doe snot work, it's about the if you have 1.9 installed then it's already not working |
| 10:35.46 | jpw | halt, i see so it's a package conflict not a dependency issue |
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| 10:36.41 | jpw | dodol1: define "not working" do you see it listed if you run `lsusb`? |
| 10:36.48 | halt | dodol1: I'm not recommend to complie your kernel even if you are a professional, not talking about a beginer, if you what to have more recent kernel use additional repo, or jessie |
| 10:37.22 | paddy | dodol1: i would install the backports repository and use their kernel |
| 10:37.24 | paddy | !backports |
| 10:37.25 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:37.41 | halt | jpw: right that's more describe the issue, i did not fraze it like that first since i still was debugging it |
| 10:37.44 | paddy | !debian-backports |
| 10:37.45 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 10:38.39 | halt | dodol1: in case you have something what you want to keep on the current version ( for any reseason ) then look after the package pinning as well |
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| 10:39.04 | dodol1 | Jpw. when my laptop boot i see loading text "BT no found feature in this kernel" |
| 10:39.07 | halt | jpw: do you think so i have to report this conflict to the package maintainer ? |
| 10:39.54 | jpw | halt: it's not a bug unfortunatly |
| 10:39.55 | paddy | suggesting to use jessie versus using a custom kernel is a bit strange, IMHO |
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| 10:40.48 | jpw | halt, at least I don't think it is. I'm trying to reproduce this end. |
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| 10:41.11 | jpw | halt: so what did you do? Instally the package 'ruby' then try and install 'puppet' |
| 10:41.35 | halt | jpw: install the 1.9 version of ruby and then lets try to run fucter for example |
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| 10:43.29 | jpw | halt: on a more personal note this is the exact reason I steer clear from ruby |
| 10:43.35 | halt | ther eis one error about the icov or something let me find it again just a sec |
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| 10:44.23 | jpw | have you got the command? |
| 10:44.50 | jpw | dodol1: just a thought, try installing the package called 'firmware-linux-nonfree' |
| 10:45.05 | dodol1 | ok i try now... |
| 10:45.12 | dodol1 | thanks jpw |
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| 10:46.14 | jpw | dodol1: np, you may need to add "non-free contrib" to your line on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:46.41 | halt | jpw: /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rubygems/custom_require.rb:36:in `require': iconv will be deprecated in the future, use String#encode instead. |
| 10:46.42 | halt | and etc |
| 10:47.28 | dodol1 | give me the link Jpw |
| 10:47.55 | jpw | halt, what command did you use to show that error? |
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| 10:48.10 | halt | jpw: facter |
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| 10:48.16 | Elwood | gg |
| 10:48.17 | Elwood | dfg |
| 10:48.20 | Elwood | hello |
| 10:48.24 | jpw | dodol1: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 10:48.24 | Elwood | i need help |
| 10:48.25 | Elwood | bash basics |
| 10:48.28 | Elwood | can someone help me? |
| 10:48.40 | dodol1 | okay thank jpw |
| 10:48.42 | dodol1 | :D |
| 10:48.47 | Elwood | i give 100$ for help |
| 10:49.03 | rozie | Elwood: use Google first |
| 10:49.05 | Elwood | i need to write a script which reads interactive lines until it stopped by typing "stop". the read datas should be translated in capitals. |
| 10:49.10 | Elwood | i give 100$ bro |
| 10:49.22 | jpw | halt, right i see the issue |
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| 10:49.49 | jpw | to fix run this command: update-alternatives --config ruby - and set 1.8 as the default version. |
| 10:51.27 | dodol1 | ada orang indonesia kah? :D |
| 10:51.28 | paddy | Elwood: drop the money thing and ask in #bash |
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| 10:52.26 | jpw | halt: however, this command will alter the system default aka /usr/bin/ruby. If you need specific ruby scripts to run with a different version of ruby you need to update the sha-bang to point to either /usr/bin/ruby1.8 or /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 |
| 10:52.47 | rozie | Elwood: perl -e 'while (<>) { exit 0 if /^stop$/; print $_}' |
| 10:53.12 | lapache | Hello , when i run make-jpkg on jre7u45 i have this : Detected Debian build architecture: amd64\nDetected Debian GNU type: x86_64-linux-gnu and No matching plugin was found. Can you help me building oracle java package ? |
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| 10:53.26 | rozie | Elwood: perl -e 'while (<>) { exit 0 if /^stop$/; $a=uc($_); print $a}' |
| 10:53.33 | rozie | with uppercase ;) |
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| 10:56.25 | rozie | didn't want 100$ nor any money, but not even "thanks"? where are you going, world? |
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| 10:57.25 | jelly | rozie: now do it in awk! |
| 10:57.50 | babilen | how awkward |
| 10:57.51 | halt | jpw: i can live without the 1.9 so it's fine for me, i think baou thtis as resolved but it's resolved for only me |
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| 10:58.18 | rozie | jelly: I'm fine with Perl |
| 10:58.59 | jelly | rozie: ok, now do it with perl -n ! |
| 10:59.01 | jelly | hides |
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| 10:59.57 | jelly | sorry, -p fits this purpose ideally |
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| 11:00.27 | Solution-X | rozie- if you want a "thanks" you have to pay them 1 satoshi to prove whoyou are so they know who to say thanks to...some new reddit rule i guess |
| 11:00.28 | Solution-X | :-P |
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| 11:03.54 | jelly | Solution-X: thankfully this isn't reddit |
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| 11:04.05 | rozie | jelly: perl -ne 'exit 0 if /^stop$/; $a=uc($_); print $a' that's easy ;P |
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| 11:05.20 | rozie | jelly: perl -pe 'exit 0 if /^stop$/; $_=uc($_)' even ;) |
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| 11:05.54 | jelly | /^stop$/&&exit saves whitespace and lives |
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| 11:06.10 | aberlin | How can I use lsof to find out which processes use some device? -- i want to umount sda5 |
| 11:06.47 | jelly | aberlin: a dirty way is to lsof -n | grep /mount/point |
| 11:07.03 | jpw | that's the only way isn't it? |
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| 11:07.16 | jpw | at least it's the way I've always done it. |
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| 11:08.28 | Brigo | aberlin, lsof /dev/cdrom |
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| 11:09.58 | aberlin | Bringo: some kind of erreor :lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs |
| 11:10.15 | jelly | aberlin: it's a warning, not an error. |
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| 11:10.49 | Brigo | aberlin, are you root? |
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| 11:11.03 | aberlin | yes |
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| 11:11.08 | jelly | wonders what kind of Debian system puts gnome-vfs FUSE stuff under /run/user/uid |
| 11:11.50 | jelly | aberlin: you can safely ignore that one, fuse doesn't allow root to access another user's namespace (by default) |
| 11:12.12 | jelly | aberlin: which debian release is this? |
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| 11:14.48 | aberlin | im on an fedora, moving debian from normal partition into LVM, get no output with lsof -n | grep /debian and lsof /dev/sda but umount /dev/sda5 umount: /debian: target is busy. |
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| 11:15.18 | jelly | aberlin: you need to get rid of any other mountpoints under /debian as well |
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| 11:15.51 | jelly | stuff like bind-mount to /debian/sys /debian/proc etc. will not show in lsof |
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| 11:16.19 | jelly | aberlin: they will however be visible in /proc/mounts outside the chroot |
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| 11:23.27 | aberlin | thanks, worked for me (lsof still don't works as expected, but its maybe an fedora problem) |
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| 12:24.23 | Sirmimer | Hi :) I am new to redhat 6.4. With my current setup there is an awfull feature i'd like to change, but i'm not sure how to change it. When i move my mouse to the top right corner, redhat gives me a view of all current windows open. I'd like this feature to be disabled. Can anyone help me? |
| 12:24.56 | jelly | Sirmimer: the people in #rhel channel might |
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| 12:25.03 | TJ- | Sirmimer: Not in #debian :) You'd need to ask in 'rhel |
| 12:25.04 | napalm_christ | ask in redhat channel |
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| 12:27.28 | Sirmimer | gosh darn it. I'll have to remember my /auth password :p |
| 12:27.36 | Sirmimer | thx though |
| 12:27.38 | abrotman | Sirmimer: you can try ##linux |
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| 12:31.00 | elichai2 | elichai2 | i have dual-boot OS and one of them are stored on an encrypted partition, and i tried to upgrade grub to grub2 and i │ alex88 |
| 12:31.02 | elichai2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.42 | elichai2 | *i have dual-boot OS and one of them are stored on an encrypted partition, and i tried to upgrade grub to grub2 and i get this error: "grub failed to install to the following devices: "/dev/dm-2"" |
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| 12:32.41 | napalm_christ | which distro are you booting ? |
| 12:32.44 | elichai2 | Debian |
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| 12:34.49 | nkuttler | elichai2: which command did you use? |
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| 12:35.23 | elichai2 | sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc |
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| 12:35.55 | elichai2 | tried sudo upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 12:35.58 | elichai2 | too |
| 12:36.01 | nkuttler | elichai2: first of all, do you have a rescue/grub boot device? |
| 12:36.37 | elichai2 | thats the thing, i'm afraid i destroied it when i tried to upgrade |
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| 12:36.55 | nkuttler | elichai2: well then you should download some image you can burn or put on an usb stick first |
| 12:37.05 | nkuttler | i like supergrub a bit |
| 12:37.12 | elichai2 | what do u mean? |
| 12:37.24 | nkuttler | elichai2: you want to make sure you have a backup method of booting your box |
| 12:37.33 | elichai2 | ok |
| 12:38.10 | elichai2 | i see only super grub2 |
| 12:38.29 | kbr | Hi. I have a notebook with an intel/nvidia optimus configuration and when I try to play audio over HDMI the sound is pitched by 20% and display stutters after a while. This happens both on nouveau and nvidia drivers, but not on windows |
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| 12:38.37 | nkuttler | elichai2: well anything grub will do |
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| 12:39.07 | elichai2 | i don't need Rescatux right? |
| 12:39.42 | nkuttler | never heard of that |
| 12:39.55 | elichai2 | in supergrub site lol |
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| 12:41.46 | elichai2 | i can't manage to install it on my pendrive |
| 12:41.55 | elichai2 | their site is sucks |
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| 12:50.08 | elichai2 | ok i installed, now what? |
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| 12:52.21 | markotitel | what actually is nametype "-n ZONE" in dnssec-keygen what are dofferences between ZONE HOST and USER |
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| 12:53.47 | nkuttler | elichai2: i'd use grub-install to install it manually |
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| 12:57.27 | elichai2 | nkuttler: what do you mean? |
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| 12:57.46 | nkuttler | elichai2: that i'd run grub-install? |
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| 12:59.57 | elichai2 | nkuttler: where to run it? |
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| 13:03.45 | Homere | hello |
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| 13:04.57 | Homere | Do we have an official EOL for Debian 6.x Squeeze ? it should be 4th may |
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| 13:09.46 | themill | Homere: perhaps longer if people step up to do longer term security work |
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| 13:12.25 | Homere | themill: ok, I was thinking of this reason. The EOL announcement is usually made 2 months before. |
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| 13:12.49 | Homere | register_globals doesn't want to die |
| 13:12.56 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] What does mean the string »ca:12345:« in /etc/inittab: "# What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now"? |
| 13:13.35 | wols | when you press c-a-d in any runlevel there, you get the command at the end run |
| 13:13.58 | jpw | ^ |
| 13:14.28 | bullgard4 | Thank you. |
| 13:15.03 | likevinyl | morning |
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| 13:19.49 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:20.47 | ^Kronos^ | hello |
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| 13:22.33 | paddy | :-) |
| 13:23.55 | napalm_christ | what language can i use for visual programming in debian. |
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| 13:24.32 | mynam | napalm_christ, What language do you want to use? |
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| 13:25.06 | mynam | napalm_christ, There are many languages that have GTK and QT hooks. |
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| 13:25.16 | jpw | napalm_christ: visual programming like 'pure-data' or visual programming as in GUI's, or visual programming as in opengl? |
| 13:25.27 | napalm_christ | gui. |
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| 13:26.26 | napalm_christ | front end programming like vb in windows. |
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| 13:26.38 | napalm_christ | sorry vb.net. |
| 13:26.47 | jpw | shudders |
| 13:27.05 | mynam | napalm_christ, Pick a language and look into GTK or QT. Also depends on what platform you want to build it for. |
| 13:28.01 | napalm_christ | ok i use kde. |
| 13:28.20 | mynam | I'd look into QT then. |
| 13:28.29 | napalm_christ | as my graphics platform. |
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| 13:29.29 | mynam | What language do you want? |
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| 13:30.00 | napalm_christ | basic |
| 13:30.14 | napalm_christ | just like vb. |
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| 13:31.11 | paddy | monodevelop? |
| 13:31.12 | napalm_christ | i also know c. |
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| 13:31.28 | jpw | napalm_christ: visual basic is windows only tech you know that right? |
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| 13:32.04 | paddy | http://www.mono-project.com/VisualBasic.NET_support |
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| 13:32.13 | jpw | sure mono exists but it suffers being far too out of date to be useful and only uses a subset of the .net api |
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| 13:33.26 | napalm_christ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.16 | paddy | there are too many ways to mention just the right one for you |
| 13:34.20 | jpw | napalm_christ: i suggest python, it's simple, classy and well supported. |
| 13:35.02 | mynam | napalm_christ, Try a few and see which you like best. There are a bunch available. Work calls, gotta run. |
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| 13:35.28 | mynam | I prefer Python but back it up with C and or C++. |
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| 13:36.12 | napalm_christ | then what are the ide available for making gui based application in python in linux? |
| 13:36.37 | napalm_christ | for kde ofcourse |
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| 13:37.04 | CissWit | napalm_christ: use qt if it is for kde |
| 13:37.06 | mapps | hmm why is my debian install failijng scanning atp mirror and fails yet my nets working |
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| 13:38.46 | mynam | napalm_christ, There are also a ton of IDEs. I prefer Eclipse for Java, NetBeans for PHP, C, C++, and Ninja IDE for Python. |
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| 13:39.11 | paddy | PIDA |
| 13:39.24 | mynam | Have a great day everyone. I've got to run off to work. |
| 13:39.34 | paddy | mynam: have a good one |
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| 13:40.44 | paddy | greets Mikaela |
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| 13:41.26 | jpw | has anyone else got silly lag at the moment, 49 seconds here... |
| 13:41.29 | Mikaela | Hi |
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| 13:41.50 | babilen | paddy: Mind keeping it a bit more on-topic in here? |
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| 13:42.42 | paddy | babilen: yes, i do mind since this was a greeting. you can eat yourself if you want to disallow greetings on an idle channel |
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| 13:43.59 | stf | hey guyz, what kind of error in crontab executed script forces cron to send mails? |
| 13:44.20 | babilen | paddy: Please try to stay on-topic in here and to also be courteous to other people in the channel. Comments such as "you can eat yourself" are not appropriate. Please observer proper behaviour in the channel and behave better in the future. |
| 13:44.33 | stf | do i have only to pipe anerror to standard output? |
| 13:44.39 | jpw | stf: the output of all crons is automatically sent to root. |
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| 13:45.06 | jpw | stf: regardless if it was an error or not. |
| 13:45.21 | jpw | although i know it catches stdout i'm not sure if it catches stderr. |
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| 13:47.01 | stf | jpw: does cron this which each cronjob? Because there is on script, which causes mails by cron, which are undeliverable |
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| 13:47.19 | Guest58406 | . |
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| 13:48.14 | jpw | does cron this which each cronjob? - can you rephrase that |
| 13:48.15 | tapio__ | Struggling with a webserver that for some reason (suspecting clamav) gets a really high page cache resulting in the OOM killing killing mysql. Any way to adjust the maximum ammount of allowed page cache? Any other suggestions? |
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| 13:50.05 | wols | page cache? |
| 13:50.11 | wols | what pages are cached? |
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| 13:51.14 | tapio__ | wols: files i guess, probably opened by clamAV at night. |
| 13:51.29 | klrr | anyone got kniw how to get h.264 html5 videos work in firefox? gnash doesnt work on youtube |
| 13:51.36 | klrr | s/kniw/know |
| 13:51.41 | stf | jpw: cron is configured instead of sending to root@localhost to root@<nameofthemachin>.tld, but what confusing me, is that i have two cronjobs, and only the one which is running twice an hour cannot be delivered |
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| 13:51.49 | wols | tapio__: that makes no sense |
| 13:51.59 | wols | tapio__: and why is clamav running? |
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| 13:52.54 | tapio__ | wols: The clam part is just a suspicion. Checking for viruses I guess. Shared webhosting platform |
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| 13:53.39 | tapio__ | wols: Maybe im not making any sence, but "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" keeps the OOM from killing mysql every couple of days. |
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| 13:53.57 | jpw | stf: ok that's fine. have you looked at the error in /var/log/mail.log? |
| 13:54.06 | jpw | to see why it can not be sent |
| 13:54.36 | jpw | klrr: it's not supported only webm is supported |
| 13:54.55 | klrr | jpw: okey, no way to work around it? |
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| 13:55.57 | stf | jpw: hm, wait i see sth. it seems the problem ist not the sending, it is the receiving..., there is another machine, which delivers the mails to the others |
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| 13:56.26 | stf | and it seems that its cannot deliver this mails back, realy confusing |
| 13:56.47 | jpw | well not *only* webm there's a couple of other formats too. There's not any way to get H.264 working on FF but it is getting implemented slowly. See http://caniuse.com/#search=h.264 for full details |
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| 13:57.12 | klrr | okey |
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| 13:57.38 | klrr | bit unfourtunate since i would not prefer installing flash :x, but i guess there's patenting issues or something |
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| 14:00.00 | jpw | klrr: i know that feeling. i've resisted installing flash for about 3 years now :( |
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| 14:20.12 | BackEndCoder_ | ok so i have a dual boot windows7/debian laptop. and i messed up the network/interfaces so now it hangs on boot |
| 14:20.38 | BackEndCoder_ | i have installed a debian vm inside windows 7 (virualbox) to allow me to read the linux partition LVM |
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| 14:21.04 | jpw | BackEndCoder_: how did you mess up the network interfaces? |
| 14:21.04 | BackEndCoder_ | i can see the phyical drive, but lvm can't find the volume groups |
| 14:21.33 | BackEndCoder_ | both eth1 and wlan1 do a dhcp on boot |
| 14:21.43 | BackEndCoder_ | eth1 says its waiting for something |
| 14:21.54 | BackEndCoder_ | it waits for over 10 mins |
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| 14:22.21 | jpw | oh I see, so it's not hanging indefinetly just waiting for a DHCP timeout? |
| 14:22.23 | BackEndCoder_ | so i wanna get into the lvm to change back my network/interfaces to hopefully boot my dual boot |
| 14:22.36 | BackEndCoder_ | it seems to be indefinate |
| 14:22.40 | BackEndCoder_ | i havn't seen it time out |
| 14:22.57 | BackEndCoder_ | i gave it a long time |
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| 14:23.15 | jpw | DHCP usually times out after about 2 minutes. |
| 14:23.44 | BackEndCoder_ | the dhcp stuff for wlan1 was finished.. but then it said it was waiting for eth1 before it would continue |
| 14:23.47 | jpw | and I think it's forked on boot so it shouldn't hang at all. |
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| 14:24.26 | BackEndCoder_ | ok so you are sujesting before messing around with these lvm mounts. check again to make sure it does hang |
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| 14:24.36 | BackEndCoder_ | as if i can wait it out, i can just correct it on the machines |
| 14:24.58 | BackEndCoder_ | i will reboot and give it 10 mins on its own |
| 14:25.14 | petn-randall | BackEndCoder_: virtualbox will give each network device a different MAC than the "real" interface, and because of that you'll get a different interface name. |
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| 14:25.46 | BackEndCoder_ | this is lvm related |
| 14:25.47 | BackEndCoder_ | not networking |
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| 14:25.54 | BackEndCoder_ | i just need to edit the drive |
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| 14:27.06 | jpw | BackEndCoder: try booting in to restore mode from a live CD? |
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| 14:27.28 | jpw | alternatively, do you have a single user mode in your grub config? |
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| 14:30.41 | abrotman | jpw: btw, it's "!ops <complaint>" |
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| 14:30.51 | abrotman | the 's' is important |
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| 14:31.17 | jpw | thanks :) |
| 14:31.23 | jpw | i couldn't remember. |
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| 14:33.26 | converge | is there some ftp server that it's fast and easy to setup ? |
| 14:33.53 | jpw | converge: my preference is VSFTPD. |
| 14:34.45 | redguy | hi, is there a way to download a source package that is in NEW queue? |
| 14:35.00 | converge | jpw: ill try that, thank you! |
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| 14:39.55 | BackEndCoder | ok so single user mode will hang just the same |
| 14:39.57 | BackEndCoder | there is no timeout |
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| 14:40.10 | BackEndCoder | eth1 is waiting for NFS mounts (warning) |
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| 14:40.23 | BackEndCoder | so i need to get inside that lvm |
| 14:40.32 | BackEndCoder | i see to be missing the volume groups ?? |
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| 14:41.23 | BackEndCoder | but i can see the linux lvm partition under fdisk -l |
| 14:41.46 | BackEndCoder | there is no option of a live cd or recovery mode |
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| 14:48.15 | BackEndCoder | i think i'm looking for a command like vgcreate that doesn't overwrite anything |
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| 14:49.24 | ice9 | the 64bit installation cd has grub-efi for 64bit only, my old mac it 64bit system but has 32bit EFI so it can't boot, in Ubuntu it support both, so how do I boot it? |
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| 15:02.58 | lorenzo | hi! |
| 15:03.02 | lorenzo | is there a way to make debian see ISA devices? |
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| 15:05.10 | SPF | lorenzo: good question. I don't think so, but there might be some tools that have some tricks |
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| 15:06.20 | wols | lorenzo: it can only work with isapnp. if the card doesn't support PNP, then you have to actually know IRQs and ports. |
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| 15:07.11 | cff | Why after installing multiarch in debian, when I try to install a package I get both versions installed (32 bit and 64 bit)? I want only the 64 bit |
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| 15:07.39 | lorenzo | oh I see |
| 15:07.44 | lorenzo | uhm, launching modprobe snd-sb16 |
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| 15:07.49 | lorenzo | makes the card work fine |
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| 15:07.58 | lorenzo | how can I set it to auto load on reboot? |
| 15:07.58 | klrr__ | are there no zlib-dev packages? |
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| 15:08.24 | klrr__ | nvm |
| 15:09.16 | ko_lo | o/ |
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| 15:09.59 | ko_lo | I'm trying to install a oracle-xe under debian wheezy, I got an error about shared memory, any idea on how to solve it, |
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| 15:13.26 | nabblet | hi, i messed up with my grapics driver (changed it from intel to vesa) and now i am on command line. how can i undo it? i saw some info mentioning the command "switch-video-driver" but i can not locate it. |
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| 15:15.01 | cff | I do: apt-get install package this install both amd64 and i386 |
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| 15:15.07 | cff | *installs |
| 15:15.10 | cff | Why? |
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| 15:15.48 | LonelyDanbo | how do I mount a USB drive really quickly? I'm in a hurry. |
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| 15:16.17 | Rockj | How may I get a coredump from a failing pam module which segfaults? (libpam-yubico) Ive tried changing security limits.conf so it always dumps a core and updated 'echo '/tmp/core_%e.%p' | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern' to ensure it is always saved to /tmp/ |
| 15:16.26 | LonelyDanbo | I installed usbmount and pmount and hal and nothing's happening. |
| 15:16.37 | Rockj | but I dont get any coredumps when I try to do sudo -i and the module is segfaulting |
| 15:17.05 | petern_ | mount /dev/sdwhatever1 /some/mount/point |
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| 15:17.42 | j0lz | ipv6 anyone ? |
| 15:17.45 | LonelyDanbo | what do you mean some mount point? |
| 15:17.53 | petern_ | Whatever path you chose. |
| 15:17.54 | LonelyDanbo | I'm not familiar with what are valid mount points |
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| 15:18.13 | j0lz | LonelyDanbo, just make one up like /myusb |
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| 15:18.29 | LonelyDanbo | crap. I gotta make a dir huh? |
| 15:18.30 | petern_ | Yeah, just make a directory, and use that. |
| 15:18.33 | jimmypw | use /mnt |
| 15:18.39 | jimmypw | it's already there |
| 15:18.55 | LonelyDanbo | god damnit. dir is write-protected |
| 15:19.07 | mongaj_ | sudo |
| 15:19.12 | LonelyDanbo | I did |
| 15:19.29 | j0lz | then sudo mkdir -p /mnt/myusp or something |
| 15:19.42 | j0lz | b* |
| 15:20.07 | somiaj | If the filesystem is vfat/ntfs, try mount /dev/sd.. /mnt -o uid=username |
| 15:20.19 | LonelyDanbo | ... ... /dev/sdc1 is write-protected. oh. not the folder. the USB stick. |
| 15:20.28 | somiaj | then the user username can read/write as if it was her filesystem |
| 15:20.45 | j0lz | safe removal from windoze is good |
| 15:21.40 | cent4urus | life is too short to safe removal :D |
| 15:21.48 | LonelyDanbo | why does gedit have such a hard time loading a .json file? uhg. I need to get these bookmarks. T_T |
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| 15:22.31 | LonelyDanbo | god damnit. |
| 15:22.39 | LonelyDanbo | I hate my life. |
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| 15:24.01 | petern_ | It's probably all one line, heh |
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| 15:24.17 | nabblet | hi, i messed up with my grapics driver (changed it from intel to vesa) and now i am on command line. how can i undo it? i saw some info mentioning the command "switch-video-driver" but i can not locate it. |
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| 15:24.40 | nabblet | inci -G gives me "driver: vesa" |
| 15:24.47 | nabblet | how can i set to intel? |
| 15:24.51 | nabblet | *inxi |
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| 15:25.33 | LonelyDanbo | thanks for the help. sorry I'm so... me. |
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| 15:27.04 | cent4urus | nabblet: look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:27.41 | cent4urus | nabblet: cd /etc/X11/ ; Xorg -configure |
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| 15:27.54 | cent4urus | this will reconfigure all your x server |
| 15:27.58 | j0lz | ok - i am just going to fire away with my ipv6 questions |
| 15:27.58 | cent4urus | then startx |
| 15:28.47 | j0lz | my router has ravd and my isp gives me a prefix and so on |
| 15:29.09 | j0lz | now .. my router has a static ipv6 lan address |
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| 15:30.05 | j0lz | when on my debian servers in /etc/network/interfaces I put that lan address as the ipv6 gateway and all works but my question is ... |
| 15:30.28 | j0lz | is that the correct ipv6 gateway address or should i be doing something else |
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| 15:31.14 | Dagger | you should be running radvd to configure that automatically |
| 15:31.35 | j0lz | Dagger, its in the router |
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| 15:33.30 | nabblet | cent4urus: i get errors for -configure . let me google |
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| 15:34.09 | Alexej_ | Hi |
| 15:34.27 | nabblet | cent4urus: hm, i als get a list of drivers. how can i select the driver to be used. i used a GUI tool to change it from intel to vesa -> that made me command line only so i can not undo it |
| 15:34.32 | Alexej_ | I have questin, where is libnss-mysql in Debian Wheezy ? |
| 15:34.32 | cent4urus | ipv6 at router and all deb boxes are ipv4? or also ipv6? |
| 15:34.50 | shingouz | !tell nabblet about configure x |
| 15:35.05 | j0lz | cent4urus, both |
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| 15:35.29 | cent4urus | shingouz: thank you |
| 15:35.35 | Alexej_ | PACKAGE libnss-mysql - DEBAIN Wheezy, what happened? |
| 15:35.43 | j0lz | cent4urus, so my ipv4 gateway is 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:35.59 | Brigo | ,v libnss-mysql |
| 15:36.00 | judd | Package: libnss-mysql on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0-4+b1 |
| 15:36.15 | j0lz | and my dns-nameservers are 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 |
| 15:36.23 | nabblet | cent4urus: your hint gave me xorg.conf and shingouz made me edit it. thank you both. i change the line "driver" in xorg to intel (from vesa) and after reboot it works again :) |
| 15:36.34 | Alexej_ | Brigo: but Wheezy |
| 15:36.35 | nabblet | thank you two a lot. i wasted already more than 1 hour on this |
| 15:36.39 | cent4urus | when you configure ipv6 the hosts multicasts the network to find the router... |
| 15:36.44 | Brigo | Alexej_, libnss-mysql-bg |
| 15:36.45 | Alexej_ | I am doing new install of server |
| 15:36.56 | Alexej_ | Brigo: it is absolutely differennt thing |
| 15:37.00 | cent4urus | i think that's the reason to work ok... |
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| 15:37.17 | Alexej_ | Brigo: it does not use configuration |
| 15:37.17 | Brigo | what is libnss-mysql? |
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| 15:37.27 | Alexej_ | Brigo: it means write everything by yourself |
| 15:37.39 | cent4urus | and probably it's a normal behavior (i think.. i am not a specialist) |
| 15:37.40 | j0lz | cent4urus, would i just be better not to put an ipv6 gateway ? |
| 15:37.41 | cent4urus | :) |
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| 15:38.15 | cent4urus | try the two ways.. |
| 15:38.21 | Alexej_ | Brigo: it should work the together with unix authentification |
| 15:38.28 | j0lz | cent4urus, they both work |
| 15:39.03 | Alexej_ | Brigo: the "NEW" package should also, but it took me 1 day to realize, it is absolutely different package, and one I used before, was deleted forever |
| 15:39.16 | Alexej_ | Kind a disapointed |
| 15:39.33 | Alexej_ | This was reason why I went to Debian from Arch and Gentoo |
| 15:39.39 | cent4urus | did you read this? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
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| 15:40.10 | j0lz | Alexej_, if you are desperate then knock back your sources then install it and change back your sources then upgrade |
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| 15:40.42 | Alexej_ | j0lz: I tried such stuff before, |
| 15:40.52 | Alexej_ | it ended up with unupgradable debian |
| 15:40.57 | cent4urus | they're using gateways.. and if it's a far away site.. you can have problems NOT setting the gateway.. |
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| 15:41.03 | Alexej_ | It is exactly reason why i had to install new one |
| 15:41.04 | Dagger | j0lz: maybe I'm misinterpreting the question, but, as in v4, you're best off relying on automatic configuration in v6 (which means sending RAs with SLAAC enabled, to get the address and default router configured automatically) |
| 15:41.44 | Alexej_ | My question is , if it is normal even in Debian, to screw up working configurations ? |
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| 15:43.01 | luky_ | ciao a tutti |
| 15:43.03 | j0lz | Dagger, these are servers and need a static IP so what I do is bring up the box with inet6 auto to get an ipv6 address then I grab that via ifconfig and put it static in interfaces |
| 15:43.08 | luky_ | !list |
| 15:43.09 | dpkg | luky_: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:43.33 | BackEndCoder | hello is it possible to recover lvm local volumes that already exsist ? |
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| 15:44.33 | Dagger | j0lz: personally I rely on autoconf then too. the address will stay the same provided the MAC address doesn't change |
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| 15:46.14 | j0lz | Dagger, ok I was thinking that too. Just to complicate things I am using lxc containers which handles alot of the network configurations outside the vm but .. again I need to put something for the ipv6 gateway |
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| 15:46.43 | Dagger | j0lz: you can set net.ipv6.conf.<ifname>.autoconf = 0 to disable configuring an address from RAs, while still configuring the router address automatically... or you can just have two addresses (the SLAAC one plus a static one) |
| 15:47.22 | Dagger | ah, LXC might complicate things, since LXC containers aren't real machines |
| 15:47.43 | j0lz | Dagger, how do I do the latter - I used to have 2 ipv6 scope global addresses |
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| 15:48.02 | Sbroker | Hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantesv |
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| 15:48.17 | j0lz | Dagger, no its okay - you have made me think it out I know what to do |
| 15:49.10 | Dagger | (if you absolutely have to configure a static address for the gateway: you can use any address assigned to the client-facing interface on the router, so either the fe80::blah address or the public address will work) |
| 15:50.01 | j0lz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.50 | Dagger | j0lz: if you're running LXC on the router... then I'm not entirely sure :/ |
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| 15:51.28 | hydruid | I'm new to debian, have a few servers running it now. Shouldn't /etc/issue.net show Debian GNU/Linux 7.4 now that I've fully updated instead of just: Debian GNU/Linux 7 |
| 15:51.45 | Dagger | normally you'd have, say, eth0 connected to your LAN, eth1 connected to your ISP, and any servers would be on the LAN (and thus use eth0's address as their default gateway) |
| 15:52.08 | Dagger | I'm not familiar with LXC so I don't know how it sets networking up |
| 15:52.45 | jpw | hydruid: lsb_release -a |
| 15:53.04 | hydruid | jpw: ty |
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| 15:54.30 | j0lz | well .. the router has ppp0 i think I then have a debian box with br0 bridged to eth0 on that box |
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| 15:55.03 | j0lz | so all the debian containers run on that bridge |
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| 15:55.19 | afidegnum | hi, is there a way to have an exception in linux? |
| 15:56.07 | afidegnum | i.e rm * ./ will remove all files from the current directory, but I want to remove all but leave the file named demo.txt in hte directory |
| 15:56.14 | afidegnum | any hint? |
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| 15:56.47 | jpw | find ./ ! -name demo.txt -exec rm {} \; |
| 15:57.01 | jpw | find ./ ! -name demo.txt -type f -exec rm {} \; |
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| 15:59.20 | j0lz | how do I find out maximum information about my routers ip addresses from a server |
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| 16:00.26 | cybrNaut | j0lz: there are free services you can subscribe to that will e-mail you when your IP is blacklisted, or removed from a blacklist |
| 16:01.15 | j0lz | cybrNaut, why woukd I need that? |
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| 16:01.43 | j0lz | I recall someone trying to scam me from baracuda networks |
| 16:01.49 | cybrNaut | j0lz: you asked for "maximum information"... pretty vague, but that's one way to get some of the info |
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| 16:02.25 | j0lz | cybrNaut, I meant using sipcalc or something |
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| 16:12.21 | CaptainJS | exit |
| 16:12.25 | CaptainJS | exit |
| 16:12.28 | CaptainJS | dammit |
| 16:12.30 | CaptainJS | sorry |
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| 16:24.53 | afidegnum | jpw: thanks |
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| 16:34.13 | afidegnum | how do I find the disk total used and free space? |
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| 16:36.50 | LtL | afidegnum: df -h |
| 16:37.03 | afidegnum | thx |
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| 16:37.12 | LtL | welcome afidegnum |
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| 16:40.13 | gnugnu9 | Is there a nice tool which can provide different preseed.cfg for different mac addresses? I could put something together by myself but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. |
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| 16:51.02 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: probably not. i also think you underestimate the effort. preseed files are very poorly documented, non-intuitive, and you'll probably struggle to get support |
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| 16:51.36 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: But what would be the alternative to a preseed file for an unattended debian setup on baremetal? |
| 16:51.49 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: most of my preseed questions get no answer in here.. (fyi, ##linux has more preseed knowledge for some reason) |
| 16:51.52 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: I got a working preseed file and now I want to add some variations, mostly the hostname |
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| 16:52.30 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: well simple search and replacements of things like hostnames is no problem.. you can do taht with a sed script |
| 16:52.53 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: but if you try to remove a line, it gets very ugly |
| 16:53.07 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: so there are no tools for such a task, mac-address based preseed, yet? |
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| 16:53.17 | gnugnu9 | theforeman doesn't support preseeds yet as far as I can see. |
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| 16:53.53 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: i don't see the connection to mac address.. is the mac address in the file? |
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| 16:55.00 | Sbroker | re |
| 16:55.26 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: i don't see my mac address in my preseed file (which was generated from "debconf-get-selections" |
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| 16:59.02 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: different hostsshould get different preseeds, they are differentiated by their mac address. |
| 16:59.16 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: ok, the ip address could be used, too. But I find it more unreliable. |
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| 17:01.13 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: sounds like you would want the preseed file grabbed from the network then.. the server giving the preseed file could send whatever file is appropriate for the host making the request |
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| 17:01.33 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: yes, and I look for a tool which does this mapping. |
| 17:02.15 | cybrNaut | gnugnu9: the smarts would have to be in the web server.. i don't know of any existing tools |
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| 17:02.55 | gnugnu9 | cybrNaut: ok, so there aren't tools for this yet |
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| 17:03.07 | cybrNaut | not that i know of |
| 17:03.24 | boudiccas | atm, i have to sign each and every email before it is sent, otherwise it just hangs about doing nowt. i have it setup properly in clawsmail, so its obviusly in pgp/pinentry/don't know, and i don't know what to google for! any ideas please? |
| 17:03.30 | cybrNaut | but shouldn't be too hard to do it |
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| 17:05.33 | jhutchins | gnugnu9: You can do this with a PXE system that selects the boot environment by MAC address, but it's as much if not more work than manually doing the installation on each system. |
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| 17:06.18 | gnugnu9 | jhutchins: yes, it is booted over pxe |
| 17:06.24 | gnugnu9 | jhutchins: it is assigned a host name by dhcpd |
| 17:06.30 | gnugnu9 | jhutchins: but the preseed uses its own hostname |
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| 17:08.44 | xreal | Can I install Debian on a mdadm-raid from live DVD ? |
| 17:08.49 | xreal | (via debootstab) |
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| 17:09.35 | CptCoffee | hi, question: I got two shortcuts (debian, xfce), one for Super_L alone, and another which is a combination <Super>e. Obviously in case I hit super+e only the action for the latter should fire - yet also the Super_L action fires in case I enter the combination.. :( Any ideas? |
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| 17:11.54 | petn-randall | CptCoffee: If you hold super_L, does the action get executed, too? Or only when you release it? |
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| 17:12.41 | malcom2073 | When using debuild (or pdebuild/pbuilder) to compile a package for debian, what sets the output filename? I am trying to script the process, but I'm not sure the best way to tell what the output filename will wind up being. |
| 17:13.10 | dioz | so how is the weather? |
| 17:13.13 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: the action fires onMouseDown for Super_L - if with a slight delay |
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| 17:13.23 | dioz | is the weather good? |
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| 17:13.46 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: ... yeah, so it doesnt wait/fire onMouseRelease... that might be the problem, hu? |
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| 17:13.56 | petn-randall | dioz: That's better suited for #debian-offtopic. |
| 17:14.00 | dioz | naw |
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| 17:14.41 | dioz | the weather here is way better than it has been for the last week or two |
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| 17:14.49 | petn-randall | CptCoffee: Yes, that's what I'm guessing. It fire the action "on press", not "on release", so you won't be able to have such overlapping shortcuts. |
| 17:14.51 | dioz | it was -50 celcius 2 weeks ago for about 3 days |
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| 17:15.00 | kmcelroy1 | that cold? |
| 17:15.01 | dioz | now it's around 0 |
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| 17:15.30 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: great! now what...? :) |
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| 17:18.52 | petn-randall | CptCoffee: Did it work in earlier releases? I'm just guessing that it won't work how you expect it "by design". |
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| 17:19.27 | dioz | what do you guys think is the best kind of knife blade? bowie? tanto? serated? speer-point? |
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| 17:19.32 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: *grml... refining my google search with trigger-behaviour of the mouse didnt get me anything further... :| |
| 17:19.35 | dioz | i guess it would depend on what it's being used for |
| 17:19.50 | dioz | the best kind of knife for stabbing |
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| 17:20.10 | OpenTokix | for i in `seq -w 1 100`; do ssh root@dc3-web$i reboot; done |
| 17:20.19 | OpenTokix | wrong window =) |
| 17:20.20 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: uhm - can't remember what the last time/version of debian was I've used and how the behaviour was there.... I just switched back to debian coming from ubuntu :) |
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| 17:20.30 | petn-randall | dioz: This is a Debian support channel. Please try to keep on-topic. For everything else there's #debian-offtopic. |
| 17:20.37 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: also first time xfce user :) |
| 17:20.43 | dioz | petn-randall: i don't understand |
| 17:21.19 | dioz | your chats aren't specifically related to debian |
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| 17:21.26 | dioz | so please take your chats to ##debian-offtopic |
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| 17:22.15 | CptCoffee | petn-randall: but IMHO this looks like a pretty silly design-flaw/oversight (shortcuts should fire onMouseRelease, not onMouseDown), so I'm a little surprised I didnt find anything in this respect... :/ |
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| 17:24.38 | petn-randall | dioz: Debian's xfce is on-topic, weather or knives isn't. Do you have a support question? |
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| 17:25.32 | dioz | not for you |
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| 17:26.05 | dioz | your support lacks luster |
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| 17:27.54 | bazhang | dioz, seriously? |
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| 17:28.46 | bazhang | #debian-offtopic dioz |
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| 17:29.26 | CptCoffee | did I just write onMouseDown/-Release? :s That was supposed to be onKeyDown/onKeyRelease. Sorry. |
| 17:29.42 | dioz | bazhang what do you mean? |
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| 17:30.07 | bazhang | dioz, knives and weather there, xfce support on debian here |
| 17:30.16 | dioz | someone already said that |
| 17:30.21 | dioz | i told them i didn't care |
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| 17:30.27 | dioz | and their support lacks luster |
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| 17:30.32 | centrx | !ops troll |
| 17:30.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: centrx complains about: troll |
| 17:30.34 | bazhang | helpers here do care |
| 17:30.42 | bazhang | so please desist |
| 17:31.03 | dioz | desist what? it's a completely reasonable question |
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| 17:31.23 | CuteAlien | Hi. For some reason Gwenview and Okular both don't like my tga's. Having to open gimp each time is annoying - can someone recommend another image-viewer for me to install that works well with tga? |
| 17:31.36 | dioz | that would be off topic CuteAlien |
| 17:31.38 | abrotman | dioz: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:31.46 | CuteAlien | dioz, well - it's about Debian... |
| 17:31.48 | bazhang | dioz, its NOT offtopic |
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| 17:32.06 | bazhang | sorry |
| 17:32.07 | abrotman | or that ... |
| 17:32.29 | bazhang | CuteAlien, are those comic archives? |
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| 17:32.48 | CptCoffee | are you guys some weird hidden-markov-model based bots or what? :D |
| 17:32.58 | bazhang | not all o f us |
| 17:32.58 | CuteAlien | bazhang, no - tga is just a simple image format (using it in a game I'm working at) |
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| 17:33.03 | CptCoffee | hahaha |
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| 17:33.57 | dondelelcaro | CuteAlien: I would expect that display (in imagemagick), and probably feh; would work, but other than that, I don't have any good suggestions |
| 17:34.09 | CuteAlien | dondelelcaro, thx, will try |
| 17:34.22 | dondelelcaro | CuteAlien: I personally haven't worked with TGA, though |
| 17:34.26 | bazhang | targa it seems |
| 17:35.00 | jelly | gliv seems to open at least some .tga files |
| 17:35.20 | jelly | surprised xv does not |
| 17:36.06 | bazhang | xzgv seems to |
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| 17:36.35 | CuteAlien | display and gliv both works nice - thanks again. |
| 17:36.39 | dondelelcaro | yeah; feh, works too |
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| 17:37.25 | CuteAlien | yeah - feh and xzgv also do it :-) |
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| 17:38.05 | bazhang | is xzgv in debian repos? |
| 17:38.06 | dondelelcaro | cool; I prefer feh to display, but I haven't actually used wzgv or gliv |
| 17:38.31 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions xzgv |
| 17:38.37 | judd | Package: xzgv on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9+svn40-1; wheezy: 0.9+svn40-1; jessie: 0.9.1-3; sid: 0.9.1-3 |
| 17:38.42 | bazhang | oh nice |
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| 17:38.48 | bazhang | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 17:44.51 | CuteAlien | xzgv drops out again (fails with alpha's). Other 3 better. |
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| 17:55.05 | petern_ | Hmm, what's the magic word to have /tmp be a tmpfs? |
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| 17:56.17 | ectospasm | petern_: see man mount |
| 17:56.31 | ectospasm | you'll need to mount a tmpfs volume to /tmp |
| 17:56.35 | petern_ | I have RAMTMP=yes in /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 17:56.46 | ectospasm | that's not enough |
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| 17:57.06 | OpenTokix | petern_: add it to your fstab and just mount? =) |
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| 17:57.19 | ectospasm | OpenTokix: or mount -a |
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| 17:57.49 | OpenTokix | yeah |
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| 17:59.57 | petern_ | Probably not a good idea while a load of stuff is using it. |
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| 18:00.27 | Reelax1 | i installed vnc4server it's running. I cannot access the server from the LAN laptopç |
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| 18:00.50 | OpenTokix | petern_: well, not that sensetive usually - but depends on applications |
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| 18:01.15 | malcom2073 | When using debuild (or pdebuild/pbuilder) to compile a package for debian, what sets the output filename? I am trying to script the process, but I'm not sure the best way to tell what the output filename will wind up being. |
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| 18:01.49 | petern_ | # mount /tmp as a tmpfs. Defaults to no; set to yes to enable (/tmp |
| 18:01.50 | petern_ | # will be part of the root filesystem if disabled). |
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| 18:02.07 | petern_ | So what's the point of RAMTMP if it doesn't do it? :S |
| 18:02.16 | petern_ | Or maybe it did at some point and no longer does. Hmm. |
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| 18:03.01 | Reelax1 | i installed vnc4server and it's running. I cannot access the server from the LAN laptop. Error : connection to host XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX was closed. |
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| 18:05.25 | CuteAlien | dondelelcaro, feh works far better than I had hoped for. Fantastic tool! |
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| 18:06.38 | Routh | Anyone here have experience with APF firewall or can point me to a channel that supports it? |
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| 18:09.01 | malcom2073 | So it looks like the filename is coming from the changelog file, trying to figure out how to use git-dch to generate a proper changelog from a git log now, dch works for creating a bogus changefile at least so I can use dch to manually set the output filename |
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| 18:19.48 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 18:24.49 | malcom2073 | Excellent, that works. script to remove the old changelog give a version string/file name to dch to create a new empty one, then run pdebuild, presto I get the file output I expected. |
| 18:24.59 | frusif | move down |
| 18:25.10 | malcom2073 | It's be much easier to have pdebuild just take a filename... probably much harder internally though heh |
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| 18:41.54 | asd__ | top |
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| 18:44.49 | GarethTheGreat | anyone got recommendations for a high-performance SOCKS+HTTP proxy that'd be suitable for a bunch of apt clients and generic internet traffic? |
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| 18:46.08 | dotDeb | my switch to debian from ubuntu was successful!! |
| 18:46.37 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:46.42 | xparanoik | hooray |
| 18:46.47 | dotDeb | :D |
| 18:46.50 | dotDeb | xfce is awesome |
| 18:47.04 | dotDeb | it's ugly at first but once you customize it, it's great |
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| 18:47.17 | wfq | does anyone know how I can tell make-jpkg to use a temporary folder another one that is not tmp? Unfortunately tmp is smaller than what is required to build a java deb package! |
| 18:47.30 | GarethTheGreat | i prefer icewm |
| 18:47.34 | GarethTheGreat | or twm |
| 18:47.49 | GarethTheGreat | yes, i actually use twm sometimes |
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| 18:48.50 | moonte | hi, can somebody help my to encrypt AES using mixcolumn? |
| 18:49.25 | buu | wfq: set the tmpdir env? |
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| 18:49.43 | wfq | buu that is a good one. thanks |
| 18:50.18 | buu | or chroot! |
| 18:50.40 | mo1991 | dotDeb - congrads |
| 18:50.51 | dotDeb | mo1991 :) |
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| 18:51.21 | Guest49835 | setup raspian as a dumb terminal... |
| 18:51.24 | Guest49835 | works great!! |
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| 18:51.45 | wfq | buu that worked. Thanks |
| 18:52.03 | nmschulte | I'm setting up a split DNS configuration and I have a couple of questions. Since we've got a DNS server, should we make the servers doing the configuration our public nameservers as well, or should we continue to use the registrar provisions for that? |
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| 18:52.37 | nmschulte | Beyond that, how should these DNS server hosts' DNS configurations ("resolv.conf configurations") be setup? |
| 18:52.41 | mo1991 | and yes Xfce is ugly at first - but you can make it pretty :) Personally I use compiz from the snapshot of debian unstable (make sure you only install just the compiz packages and nothing else to mess up your "stable" environment) and Emerald .72 to make XFCE a little more modern looking. XFCE is fast, stable and much less annoying than gnome 3 imo |
| 18:52.49 | mo1991 | dotDeb above |
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| 18:53.19 | dotDeb | mo1991 I used the "dusk" theme which i really like and then i added transparency |
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| 18:55.49 | mo1991 | compiz is of course totally unnecessary - I also use dusk theme - easier on the eyes imo |
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| 18:57.36 | dotDeb | mo1991 yea it was the best theme out of the defaults IMO |
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| 18:59.23 | mo1991 | well cheers on your new debian box - did you go with wheezy? |
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| 19:00.42 | dotDeb | mo1991 yep! |
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| 19:14.17 | Reelax | someone please help me with vnc. i cant connect it from same PC and LAN laptop. http://i.imgur.com/HMX0EPC.png |
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| 19:14.48 | Reelax | error page : http://i.imgur.com/WlaOl1q.png |
| 19:15.01 | mo1991 | good deal - wheezy is very stable - and if you do really need a newer program or two you can either get it from backports or backport it yourself which is really pretty easy |
| 19:15.13 | mo1991 | dotDeb - above |
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| 19:15.39 | dotDeb | mo1991 indeed :) |
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| 19:17.41 | sudormrf | hey guys, this may be a stupid question, but how can I change my login screen wallpaper through dconf-editor? |
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| 19:20.03 | dotDeb | ow my ears.. does anyone know how to turn off the thing where if you try to backspace and there is nothing left to backspace it beeps really loud? |
| 19:20.15 | dotDeb | RIP headphone users |
| 19:20.20 | jelly-home | !nobeep |
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| 19:20.31 | jelly-home | !beep |
| 19:20.31 | dpkg | i heard beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 19:20.52 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 19:20.56 | jelly-home | !bell |
| 19:20.57 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
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| 19:21.05 | ksalman | can i not install multiple local packages with dpkg with one dpkg command like "dpkg --install package1 package2 package3"? I get the pre-dependancy problem: "package2 pre-depends on package1, package1 is unpacked but has never been configured" |
| 19:21.09 | jelly-home | dotDeb: that thing ther. |
| 19:21.16 | ksalman | or should i just run dpkg command for each package? |
| 19:21.25 | dotDeb | jelly-home :D thanks that worked! |
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| 19:22.29 | Guest49835 | reelax don't run under 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:22.35 | vimel | nice ty i disabled the bell too :D |
| 19:22.47 | Guest49835 | that won't allow connection through the network. |
| 19:22.54 | dotDeb | is there any reason why the debian archive manager might be taking eons to decompress a 50mb zip? |
| 19:23.01 | Guest49835 | and local console display is :0 |
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| 19:27.22 | Guest49835 | you also need to run vnc as the user that owns the display. |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | ksalman: dpkg can't deal with pre-depends in this case; do package1 first |
| 19:27.52 | ksalman | hm |
| 19:27.53 | dotDeb | does debian have a "software and sources" dialog like ubuntu does? |
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| 19:28.11 | jelly-home | ksalman: or see if "apt-get -f install" is needed to grab some _more_ dependencies |
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| 19:28.54 | ksalman | jelly-home: i don't need to grab any more dependencies, i get the error because package1 is installed but not configured yet, and i install package2 |
| 19:29.10 | ksalman | doing separate dpkg install for package1 first and then for package2 woudl certainly fix the problem |
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| 19:29.24 | ksalman | i think 'dpkg --configure -a' might fix this.. |
| 19:29.54 | jelly-home | ksalman: show the actual command and its full output, please |
| 19:29.59 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 19:30.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:30.04 | dotDeb | is there any way to scan mirrors to find out which is the fastest? as in ubuntu? |
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| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | dotDeb: well, if you use http.debian.net, the redirector there is supposed to pick a geographically close and up-to-date mirror |
| 19:31.12 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell dotDeb about hdn |
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| 19:31.52 | dotDeb | jelly-home ok cool, and is there a UI for switching sources or do i need to edit sources.list? |
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| 19:33.14 | jelly-home | dotDeb: I don't know of a sane UI, sorry |
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| 19:33.30 | dotDeb | jelly-home, ok |
| 19:33.37 | sudormrf | can anyone help me change my login screen wallpaper using dconf-editor? |
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| 19:37.32 | mo1991 | dotDeb - synaptic is able to enable / disable repositories, but I would agree with jelly-home that it's a lot easier to just gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:38.27 | dotDeb | mo1991 got it |
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| 19:45.14 | TuxFighter | Hi, did anyone expierenced some problems in wheezy with fail2ban and the mail notification on Bans. Because it won´t work on two machines for me. |
| 19:45.49 | TuxFighter | Only the Ban notification won´t work. So I receiving Start and Stop Mails. |
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| 19:55.39 | ice9 | I got old 64bit mac intel with 32bit EFI firmware, Debian installer 64bit cd only grub-efi 64bit, how can I boot it on my machine? |
| 19:56.15 | jelly-home | you probably can't? |
| 19:56.26 | bhuddah | maybe with bootcamp? |
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| 19:57.52 | ice9 | bhuddah: no I don't have osx, currently I'm on ubuntu 64bit because they support both archs |
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| 20:02.31 | bhuddah | ice9: afaik osx is free now. so you can just use the built in restore methods and continue from there if you like |
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| 20:14.34 | Sivik | anyone know how to get libquazip.so.1 instaleld on debian? |
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| 20:14.49 | Sivik | without compiling it manually |
| 20:14.52 | Sivik | Is there a repo with it in it |
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| 20:15.18 | centrx | Sivik, Search at packages.debian.org or install apt-file |
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| 20:15.41 | Sivik | centrx, the version in the repos is .0 not .1 and thats what i'm finding in packages.debian.org |
| 20:15.50 | Sivik | I need libquazip.so.1 and not libquazip.so.0 |
| 20:16.15 | jpw | Sivik: freemedforms-libs |
| 20:16.18 | centrx | Sivik, That's not what I see at packages.debian.org |
| 20:16.19 | jelly-home | Sivik: what do you need it for? |
| 20:16.27 | Sivik | team speak 3 |
| 20:16.37 | Sivik | centrx: I'm not finding it in packages.debian.org |
| 20:16.42 | abrotman | Sivik: use apt-file |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sivik about apt-file |
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| 20:17.09 | jelly-home | Sivik: if you can't find it on packages.d.o or with apt-file, it's not available for your release |
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| 20:17.41 | centrx | It's there |
| 20:17.43 | centrx | And...it's gone |
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| 20:27.02 | eristisk | I have a very annoying problem on my ASUS Zenbook Prime where when the battery level hits 5%, it tells me it will sleep in 30 seconds, but then it tries and never can fully sleep. |
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| 20:27.13 | eristisk | It wakes back up again automatically as soon as it seems like it went to sleep |
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| 20:27.38 | eristisk | Then it tries sleeping again, wakes up again, sleeps, etc. until the battery hits 0% and I lose all open documents, etc. |
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| 20:29.01 | Divayth | Hello, I asked about this a few days ago but since I still cannot fix it, here it is again: I seem to have lost control over my .ssh folder. ls and getfacl both report that the folder is owned by me and that I have rwx permissions, but neither as myself nor as root can I edit the folder or its contents, but I can read them. It always fails with "Permission and trying to use chmod or chown on the folder fails with "Operation not permit |
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| 20:29.11 | Divayth | I am in recovery mode right now and I still get the same errors. |
| 20:29.33 | centrx | Divayth, What does ls -l show for this file |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | would suspect filesystem errors |
| 20:30.10 | abrotman | Divayth: what does lsattr say ? |
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| 20:31.22 | Divayth | if i run ls -al in the parent folder (my home folder) it says drwx------ 3 e e .ssh (e is my username) centrx |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | Divayth: lsattr |
| 20:32.08 | abrotman | also, you may want to check the actual files themselves |
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| 20:32.34 | Divayth | abrotman: ----i---------e-- .ssh |
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| 20:33.45 | Divayth | the i tag seems to mean immutable |
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| 20:34.07 | abrotman | Divayth: +i is bad, very bad |
| 20:34.11 | abrotman | not sure what +e is |
| 20:34.32 | Divayth | can you tell me why +i is bad abrotman? |
| 20:34.41 | Divayth | i dont know how it got set |
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| 20:35.00 | Divayth | of course i dont want it to be immutable |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | Immutable means no changes, I don't know how it got set either |
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| 20:37.17 | Divayth | Thanks for your help. I unset +i with chattr and it seems to work now. I might try investigating how it got set. |
| 20:37.32 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 20:40.50 | kdog | abrotman: How come Divayth's ls -al output doesn't show a date? due to rescue mode? the immutable thing? |
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| 20:41.10 | abrotman | maybe he just didn't paste it ? |
| 20:41.30 | Divayth | as I said I was typing that in recovery mode and Im acessing irc from a different computer |
| 20:41.32 | Divayth | so i retyped it |
| 20:41.34 | Divayth | and skipped that |
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| 20:42.26 | Divayth | i might not have copied the correct number of "-" too :) |
| 20:42.27 | centrx | Divayth, I would just delete the directory and let ssh re-create it, unless you have something special in there |
| 20:42.29 | kdog | Divayth: Oh, OK. I think that "3" indicates that there a directory inside .ssh. Is that correct? |
| 20:42.47 | abrotman | centrx: I wouldn't |
| 20:43.00 | Divayth | well I have my private key and authorized keys |
| 20:43.16 | Divayth | and since unsetting +i worked , ill leave it as that |
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| 20:49.07 | sudormrf | can anyone help me change my login screen wallpaper with dconf-editor? |
| 20:49.28 | viccuad | hi, is there any info of how Debian builds its images, security wise? Is Debian following a methodology? or are they built by a DD and that's all? |
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| 20:50.05 | three_legs | any way to replace libjpeg8 with libturbojpeg |
| 20:50.23 | three_legs | libjpeg is causing alot of problems for me |
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| 20:55.08 | kyle__ | I'm trying to move my install to a new system, and having trouble re-installing grub. What I did was add a new drive as a pv, extended my vg, moved the extents to the new pv, shut down, and installed it in a new machine. I thought I could just re-install grub after that, but it's choking every time. |
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| 20:56.29 | kyle__ | Same thing if I try sda or sdb on the new system. http://paste.lisp.org/display/141629 |
| 20:56.53 | three_legs | kyle__: i recomend http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/ |
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| 20:57.38 | kyle__ | three_legs: I tried that. From a live-ubuntu usb stick I have. It hangs on os-prober. Just spins there for over an hour. |
| 20:57.57 | kyle__ | using boot-repair after moving the drive was my initial plan actually. |
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| 20:58.44 | three_legs | erm |
| 20:59.02 | three_legs | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 20:59.15 | three_legs | have you tried that ? |
| 20:59.36 | kyle__ | three_legs: Nope. Willing to try though :) |
| 21:00.20 | three_legs | kyle__: it's pretty super :D |
| 21:00.44 | kyle__ | Well, it does have super in it's name... would be false advertising otehrwise... |
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| 21:01.39 | holycow | hi guys |
| 21:01.51 | holycow | does anyone know what session manager xfce4 uses? |
| 21:01.55 | kyle__ | holy cow. |
| 21:01.57 | three_legs | soo noone knows how to replace libjpeg with libjpeg turbo ? |
| 21:02.07 | kyle__ | three_legs: I thought they could coexist? |
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| 21:02.18 | Guest47630 | xfce4-session is installed but there doesn't seem to be anythgin in init.d for it to generate a login screen |
| 21:02.21 | Guest47630 | anyone know? |
| 21:02.56 | TJ- | kyle__: where does /boot/ live on the cloned system? separate partition/LV or in the rootfs ? |
| 21:03.00 | Guest47630 | i can install gdm3 but that seems pointless |
| 21:03.07 | three_legs | kyle__: i thought so too however i'm getting problems when i try and build something that requires libjpegturbo |
| 21:03.08 | kyle__ | Guest47630: you're looking for lightdm xdm gdm kdm. |
| 21:03.28 | Guest47630 | kyle__: so xfce does not have its own session manager? |
| 21:03.29 | kyle__ | TJ-: On it's own LV |
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| 21:03.42 | kyle__ | Guest47630: I thought it used one of the other ones. |
| 21:03.43 | TJ- | kyle__: Have the UUIDs changed? |
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| 21:03.55 | kyle__ | TJ-: Yes. I'm sure they have. |
| 21:03.59 | Guest47630 | kyle__: *nod*, it sure is starting to look like it |
| 21:04.23 | kyle__ | three_legs: pastebin the ./configure or build error,. |
| 21:04.59 | TJ- | kyle__: I'm not clear on precisely how you are installing GRUB? Are you trying to do it from a live ISO session using a chroot into the new cloned installation? |
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| 21:06.04 | kyle__ | TJ-: Exactly. Since boot-repair just spun it's wheels, I booted off of an ubuntu usb stick (tried boot repair again in there), then gave up and chrooted in and tried dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc --reinstall |
| 21:06.40 | kyle__ | Errr... actually apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc, but that's probably besides the point. |
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| 21:07.06 | TJ- | kyle__: Did you mount the /boot/ LV before or *after* you did "chroot /target/" ? |
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| 21:07.25 | kyle__ | TJ-: Before... |
| 21:07.28 | three_legs | kyle__: there is no error it just skips libjpeg turbo alltogether |
| 21:07.28 | TJ- | kyle__: I've been caught by that when I've forgotten to mount the /boot/ file-system after entering the chroot |
| 21:07.40 | kyle__ | TJ-: I mounted the root, then boot, then dev then proc and sys bind mounted, then chrooted. |
| 21:07.48 | kyle__ | O_o after? |
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| 21:08.05 | TJ- | kyle__: If you do it *before* the chroot fixups mean the mounts are inconsistent in the chroot and grub-install gets confused |
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| 21:08.45 | TJ- | kyle__: You have to do it in the order the initrd would do it ... /boot/ is usually mounted from /etc/fstab which gives a clue it should be later not sooner :) |
| 21:08.49 | kyle__ | Humm. Same issue mounting it after the chroot |
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| 21:09.54 | kyle__ | going to try supergrubdisk now. |
| 21:10.20 | TJ- | kyle__: So you've done "mount /dev/VG/rootfs /target; mount -t proc proc /target/proc; mount -t sysfs sysfs /target/sys; mount -t devtmpfs udev /target/dev; mount -t devpts devpts /target/dev/pts; chroot /target" ? |
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| 21:11.18 | nonconvergent | How to see what apt is currently recommending that I can autoremove? |
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| 21:11.25 | nonconvergent | show, not do. |
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| 21:11.41 | TJ- | kyle__: You may need to adjust chroot grub's /boot/grub/device.map (or create one) whilst working from the live ISO |
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| 21:12.06 | TJ- | nonconvergent: "--simulate" |
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| 21:16.15 | kyle__ | TJ-: Humm. supergrubrescue requeris you know grub, doesn't it? |
| 21:17.04 | TJ- | kyle__: I've never been that desperate :) I always work from my USB toolkit in these situations |
| 21:17.17 | kyle__ | hehe. |
| 21:18.23 | TJ- | kyle__: I'm surprised you had an issue; I've got into the habit of doing complex grub installs (including LUKS encrypted /boot/ file-system) via chroot and never had a problem except when I mounted chroot FS's other than rootfs before entering the chroot |
| 21:19.10 | TJ- | kyle__: and I usually debug the issues by adding "set -x" to the top of the grub shell scripts that are run, to pin down the cause of the issue |
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| 21:21.09 | nmschulte | Do you all put the FQDN in /etc/hostname, or do you let the resolver handle the domainname part of the hostname? |
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| 21:21.20 | kyle__ | weeps. I miss lilo |
| 21:22.22 | dondelelcaro | nmschulte: the resolver will resolve the FQDN. Only the hostname goes there |
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| 21:23.20 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: did you use pvmove? have you rerun grub-install on the device? |
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| 21:23.44 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: is this a GPT? can you boot using the usb key's grub install? (Or some other device which has grub)? |
| 21:23.59 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: when you boot off of the new drive, do you see grub at all? |
| 21:24.14 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: I used pvmove, moved the new disk to the new system, and the lvs are there with the data. I'm trying to re-install grub via chroot from a live usb stick. |
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| 21:24.28 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: It's not GPT, it's the whole disk as a pv for lvm2 |
| 21:24.49 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: OK, so you have an MSDOS partition map, right? |
| 21:25.03 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: no. The whole disk is a physical volume. |
| 21:25.10 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: uh... that's not going to work |
| 21:25.44 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: It works. grub2 supports booting on an lv, without a partition table. |
| 21:25.49 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: you have to have somewhere for grub to install its bootloader, and if you make the whole disk a physical volume, it can't stick the initial bootloader anywhere |
| 21:25.53 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: it can't |
| 21:25.56 | nmschulte | dondelelcaro: It doesn't have to work that way, according to the man page for hostname. That is the recommended way then? |
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| 21:26.02 | TJ- | haha! |
| 21:26.04 | dondelelcaro | nmschulte: yes, that's the recommended way |
| 21:26.24 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: there has to be some place on the disk for the bootloader to go, and that's generally incompatible with using the entire drive as a pv |
| 21:26.37 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: grub can *boot* that device, but it can't have the bootloader installed on it |
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| 21:27.03 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: That's how the previous sytem I was using was setup. |
| 21:27.18 | dondelelcaro | kyle__: unlikely; you almost certainly had a partition table |
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| 21:27.43 | dondelelcaro | or alternatively, you had enough free space at the start of the PV that it didn't matter that grub (or lilo or whatever) shoved its bits there |
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| 21:31.42 | TJ- | kyle__: grub-pc has to put the master boot record in sector 0 of the boot device. If you've got a while-disk PV without a partition table, then you'll need to force grub-install if you want it to write to the PV. |
| 21:31.50 | TJ- | s/while/whole/ |
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| 21:31.59 | elichai | hi |
| 21:32.09 | kyle__ | Humm. that should jsut be grub-install --force, I thought... |
| 21:32.11 | elichai | which screenLocker\Saver is recommend? |
| 21:32.41 | TJ- | kyle__: LVM leaves sector 0 empty for just such issues, so you're OK to do it - but you have to clue grub-pc in that that is what you explicitly intend |
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| 21:33.18 | dondelelcaro | ah, cool; I didn't realize that LVM left the first sector empty |
| 21:33.36 | kyle__ | TJ-: How do you clue it in? |
| 21:33.36 | elichai | any one? |
| 21:34.01 | elichai | hello? |
| 21:34.06 | dondelelcaro | elichai: usually the one that comes with your desktop. If you don't have one, I use xlock or xscreensaver. |
| 21:34.15 | kyle__ | elichai: whichever one you like? I like xlock-more |
| 21:34.26 | dondelelcaro | err, xautolock, rather. |
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| 21:34.40 | elichai | the thing is i installed clean debian |
| 21:34.43 | dondelelcaro | elichai: and please be patient when asking questions here; we'll eventually get to it |
| 21:34.44 | kyle__ | elichai: There's even a dr who one, but you have to provide your own bitmaps if you want it to look like the Tom-Baker opening |
| 21:34.47 | elichai | so nothing cames with it :) |
| 21:35.03 | elichai | i want the lightest one |
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| 21:35.47 | dondelelcaro | elichai: then that's probably xautolock or xlockmore |
| 21:36.16 | elichai | dondelelcaro: kk thanks! |
| 21:37.14 | elichai | i've got another problem |
| 21:37.24 | elichai | i'm trying to isntall pulseaudio and i get this error: |
| 21:37.27 | elichai | http://pastebin.com/xnw2tNMn |
| 21:38.28 | dondelelcaro | elichai: what is the output of apt-cache policy pulseaudio libpulse0; ? |
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| 21:40.47 | elichai | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/D37Lzjcb |
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| 21:43.00 | dondelelcaro | elichai: OK. You've installed something from backports which requires libpulse0 4.0-6 |
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| 21:43.29 | dondelelcaro | elichai: so you'll have to go apt-get install pulseaudio/wheezy-backports; to install it |
| 21:43.42 | dondelelcaro | elichai: aptitude install pulseuadio; would also eventually give you that as a solution too. |
| 21:43.44 | kyle__ | OK. I"ve wasted too much time on this. I'm shuffling around lvs again, and going to just re-install clean, and move my important lvs & files back. |
| 21:44.18 | kyle__ | thinks pulseaudio is rarely the solution, unless you're looking for an excuse to kill yourself. |
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| 21:47.09 | elichai | dondelelcaro: when i tried to install through aptitude it didn't worked too |
| 21:47.12 | elichai | but thatnks! |
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| 21:47.36 | elichai | dondelelcaro: so it's not auto installing from my backports? |
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| 21:49.19 | viccuad | hi, is there documentation about how Debian builds its images, security wise? (non-networked machines, pgp signed, etc) |
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| 21:50.06 | abrotman | which images? the packages? or hte ISOs? |
| 21:50.30 | viccuad | the ISOs, the ISOs |
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| 21:50.51 | TJ- | kyle__: sorry, am away making dinner. You'd need to custom-run "grub-bios-setup" with appropriate options |
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| 21:51.27 | xand | non-networked machines aren't very useful. |
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| 21:51.47 | kyle__ | TJ-: That's ok. I can't quite make out the right settings |
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| 21:52.11 | viccuad | I'm aware of this, but it isn't what I mean: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
| 21:52.15 | TJ- | kyle__: It's an unusual bootable setup |
| 21:52.29 | dondelelcaro | elichai: it will work, but it won't be the first solution |
| 21:52.34 | kyle__ | TJ-: I seem to be attracted to that... bad habbit |
| 21:53.03 | viccuad | xand: so, Debian justs takes all the package sources, builds them, and packages them? |
| 21:53.37 | viccuad | non-networked machines should help to assure that noone is tampering with the build. |
| 21:53.55 | TJ- | viccuad: is this what you want? http://live.debian.net/ |
| 21:54.20 | elichai | when i did pulseaudio/wheezy-backports it's worked, but my question now is why it's not auto downloading from backports?! |
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| 21:55.02 | dondelelcaro | elichai: because backports is never automatically installed from |
| 21:55.13 | dondelelcaro | elichai: you have to specifically install packages from it |
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| 21:57.13 | elichai | too bad |
| 21:57.29 | elichai | but how i can know if it exist in backports or not? |
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| 21:58.01 | cafuego | backports has a search |
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| 21:59.40 | viccuad | thx TJ- , I wasn't aware of that page. My question is what process does Debian follow for building the images. I suppose they use live.debian project to build the release images, but do they take extra steps on it? |
| 21:59.43 | Brigo | elichai, apt-cache search list backports if you have sources.lst configured. |
| 21:59.45 | elichai | cafuego: yeah but it's means everything i'm installing i need to first search if it's exist in backports?! |
| 22:00.05 | aLmostHumAn | hi all |
| 22:00.10 | dondelelcaro | elichai: no |
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| 22:00.16 | dondelelcaro | elichai: in general, you should just install from stable |
| 22:00.47 | dondelelcaro | elichai: it's just that for whatever reason, you installed something from backports, and thus, you had an upgraded version of libpulse0 which was only compatible with the version of pulseaudio in backports. |
| 22:01.01 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: which release images? |
| 22:01.33 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: the live CDs are built by debian-live, but the installer images are built by the cd scripts |
| 22:01.38 | elichai | ok |
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| 22:01.40 | elichai | thanks! |
| 22:01.43 | viccuad | both |
| 22:01.53 | elichai | now i'm trying to make xautolock work lol |
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| 22:02.06 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: well, they're totally distinct, and don't have anything to do with eachother |
| 22:02.29 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: true, I'm aware of that |
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| 22:03.29 | Guest47630 | thanks for your help all |
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| 22:03.34 | viccuad | the thing is: I want to learn about Debian images building process, to see how/which is more secure from tampering |
| 22:03.36 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: the ISOs themselves just contain the installer and a collection of deb packages. You can verify the hashes of the packages against the Packages file which is hashed and that hash is then signed by a PGP in the keyring |
| 22:04.05 | elichai | how can i immediately lock with xautolock? |
| 22:04.11 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: the packages are built on a buildd network or sometimes by individual developers, who then sign the packages and upload them to Debian |
| 22:04.16 | dondelelcaro | elichai: xautolock -locknow; |
| 22:04.28 | dondelelcaro | elichai: man xautolock; for details |
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| 22:04.51 | elichai | dondelelcaro: yeah i tried to read it |
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| 22:05.06 | elichai | dondelelcaro: not working... "No process with PID 22632, or the process is owned by another user." |
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| 22:05.52 | dondelelcaro | elichai: did you start xautolock? are you running xautolock -locknow; as your user? |
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| 22:06.15 | elichai | how can i start it? |
| 22:06.45 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: thx, that sheds some light on it for me. What about the Kernel, is just another package, isn't it? |
| 22:06.51 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: yes |
| 22:07.17 | elichai | forget about it i managed to install and use XscreenSaver |
| 22:07.21 | elichai | i will just use it |
| 22:07.24 | elichai | thanks! |
| 22:08.04 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: basically, the known vectors for attacks are someone could muck with the source, the buildd, or the compiler, or the kernel/debian installer which is unpackaged installed on the CD |
| 22:08.38 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: both the buildd and the machine which actually builds the images are network accessible, and the source and compiler are obvious vectors which are difficult to verify |
| 22:09.57 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: what about someone compromising a DD machine that builds a package used by root, so that package compromises the ISO when executed? |
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| 22:10.46 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: none of the packages are run by root |
| 22:11.10 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: but presumably, you could have someone compromise a DD machine and the binary built (or the source), yes. |
| 22:11.24 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: this is basically the same as someone compromising the upstream developers |
| 22:11.49 | dondelelcaro | it's unlikely, but there is evidence that it may have happened in the past |
| 22:11.57 | dondelelcaro | (not with Debian, but with other projects) |
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| 22:14.13 | viccuad | shouldn't the binaries for the ISOS be built in a "controlled" machine, from the upstream sources? or does it seem like too much work for what it gives? |
| 22:14.15 | dondelelcaro | (the one major case I can think of in Debian is where the upstream developer trojanned the package; this was eventually found) |
| 22:14.26 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: in general, the binaries are. |
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| 22:14.53 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: however, DDs are currently able to upload packages built on their own machines instead of controlled machines... there's an effort now to stop that |
| 22:15.09 | viccuad | I'm happy to hear that |
| 22:15.43 | dondelelcaro | that will probably happen sometime in the next year; there are some technical reasons why it's not trivial |
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| 22:16.56 | dondelelcaro | there's also some effort to make reproducible binaries, but that's a *much* *much* harder problem |
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| 22:18.41 | viccuad | dondelelcaro: many thanks, you have made me see it quite well :) |
| 22:18.47 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: no problem |
| 22:19.05 | ksuhku | viccuad, are you aware of the debian/openssl incident? |
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| 22:19.13 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: in general, this is an area where Debian tries to do the right thing; it's just difficult in all cases. |
| 22:19.32 | viccuad | the tampering with the random generator? yes |
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| 22:20.05 | ksuhku | that's the biggest cockup I know of |
| 22:20.26 | viccuad | Debian is awesome, you guys do quite well |
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| 22:21.01 | dondelelcaro | if you really want to know about it, see this talk: http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2008/debconf8/high/649_Predictable_PRNG_in_the_Vulnerable_Debian_OpenSSL_Package.ogg |
| 22:21.43 | dondelelcaro | ah, sorry; here's the actual talk: http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2008/debconf8/high/648_Predictable_PRNG_in_the_Vulnerable_Debian_OpenSSL_Package.ogg |
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| 22:22.36 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: Heh. My wife's work is still running an ubuntu server that inherited that openssl vuln. |
| 22:23.27 | dondelelcaro | uh... they should really fix that |
| 22:24.10 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: She's told them that. The guy who used to be their web-developer used to also be the cheif-cook and bottle washer, and setup some horrendiously overcomplex system on that box that manages provisioning. |
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| 22:24.54 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: They don't want to change it, because they'd have to either pay someone else to build a new one, or somehow find him, and pay him to move it. |
| 22:25.01 | viccuad | quite a guy, he seems |
| 22:25.05 | kyle__ | nods |
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| 22:25.33 | kyle__ | viccuad: He was actually an OK guy. Met him at a few parties before he moved away...but not much of a software-engineer or sysadmin. |
| 22:25.50 | dondelelcaro | there's really no reason not to install the updated openssh packages, though... but whatever works |
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| 22:26.57 | kyle__ | dondelelcaro: Before my wife took over the linux admin part, someone tried updating the system. They weren't very good, and it had to be restored from tape. There's been a ban on updating it. I think it's hilarious. |
| 22:28.06 | xparanoik | does anyone know how exactly the aws ec2 security group feature pushes open/closed ports to iptables inside debian wheezy ami? |
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| 22:29.14 | kyle__ | xparanoik: I used to know. It was covered pretty well in one of the openstack documents. But it's been too long for me to recall clearly. |
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| 22:40.16 | xparanoik | dang, box froze and had to reboot. kyle__ remember if there's a name for that feature so i can google it? |
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| 22:41.55 | kyle__ | xparanoik: I really don't, but I remember that all being documented in the openstack stuff. We used it for a while, but went back to proxmox-ve, because it fit our usage better. |
| 22:42.47 | kyle__ | Does wheezy default to networkmanager for network configuration only if you install the desktop? |
| 22:43.13 | xparanoik | i guess so, since it is not running right now on a fresh install on ec2 |
| 22:43.45 | kyle__ | OK. THat's what I"ll have to do next time. minimal install, then add the rest. I shouldn't dislike nm as much as I do. |
| 22:43.48 | kyle__ | But I do. |
| 22:43.52 | xparanoik | thanks kyle__ i will look into openstack docs |
| 22:44.12 | xparanoik | i don't like it either. |
| 22:44.53 | kyle__ | NP. OpenStack seems to be the best documented of all of the ec2 & ec2 like systems. |
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| 22:53.17 | xparanoik | kyle__ since openstack came up.. any experience with cloudstack or would you bother to compare both? |
| 22:53.47 | kyle__ | I've never tried cloudstack, sorry. I tried ec2, ecualyptus (sorry my spelling sucks today), and openstack. |
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| 22:54.28 | kyle__ | eucalyptus was basically over-corperateized cumbersome clone of ec2. Openstack was pretty slick and ran better on the same hardware. |
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| 22:56.47 | xparanoik | kyle__ by ec2 you mean through aws? |
| 22:57.18 | kyle__ | Yeah. From a client end, they all worked pretty much the same. NEver got to actually administer the back end of ec2/aws of course ;) |
| 22:57.44 | xparanoik | for a sec i thought it was opensource, haha |
| 22:58.32 | xparanoik | i got cloudstack running on a small setup right now, as a sandbox, works pretty well, but every now and then I have to clear some rows in the mysql database to fix a glitch or two |
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| 22:59.14 | xparanoik | and it's not so smart when it comes to dependencies, such as deleting storage before deleting a vm, etc etc.. can't wait to try openstack tho |
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| 22:59.35 | kyle__ | openstack is pretty stable. At least in my experience. |
| 23:00.22 | BackEndCoder | hi, i'm getting if-up.d/mountnfs[wlan1]: waiting for interface eth1 before doing NFS mounts (warning) |
| 23:00.31 | BackEndCoder | the box hangs on boot with the message |
| 23:00.39 | xparanoik | how does it treat resources? cloudstack has this zone>pod>cluster topology |
| 23:00.47 | BackEndCoder | i think i know how to fix it, but i can't get into the box to change the config |
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| 23:00.53 | kyle__ | BackEndCoder: put a noauto, or bg in the fstab for your nfs mount |
| 23:01.10 | BackEndCoder | and how do i do this if i can't boot ? |
| 23:01.24 | kyle__ | xparanoik: I recall it just being zones, but like I said, it's been a while. |
| 23:01.31 | kyle__ | BackEndCoder: boot into single user mode. |
| 23:01.40 | BackEndCoder | single user mode also halts with the same error |
| 23:01.51 | xparanoik | ok |
| 23:02.42 | BackEndCoder | i have built a vm in virualbox to try and mount my lvm partition as a phyical drive to the vm |
| 23:02.45 | BackEndCoder | so i can edit the configs |
| 23:02.53 | BackEndCoder | but it can;'t find any volume groups |
| 23:03.43 | kyle__ | BackEndCoder: pvcyange -ay and vgchange -ay to see the volume groups. |
| 23:03.59 | BackEndCoder | No Volume Groups Found ^^ |
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| 23:04.26 | BackEndCoder | the lvm is on sdb6 |
| 23:04.37 | kyle__ | Hrumm. |
| 23:05.06 | BackEndCoder | all google advice believed that No Volumes Found was not the answer to have# |
| 23:05.15 | kyle__ | BackEndCoder: I"d like to help, because I'm a big lvm fan, but it's quittin time, and I need to meet my fam for dinner. Sorry :/ |
| 23:05.23 | BackEndCoder | all pvs etc commands all expeted myself to get the vlume name result |
| 23:05.24 | BackEndCoder | but no |
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| 23:05.35 | BackEndCoder | np |
| 23:05.37 | kyle__ | BackEndCoder: it's not the answer to have. vgchange -ay should have helped. Seriously. Sorry |
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| 23:26.29 | houn | Ok, so. I've got me a Wheezy set up. |
| 23:26.34 | houn | What should I do next? |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | install the utilities you need? |
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| 23:27.09 | Tenkawa | houn: depends on what you want to use it for |
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| 23:27.19 | Tenkawa | abrotman: hey.. long time no talk |
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| 23:28.05 | Tenkawa | starts wondering how debian will run on an exynos 5 octa... |
| 23:28.19 | Tenkawa | hopes to find out |
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| 23:30.14 | houn | I... don't actually know what I want to do with it. |
| 23:30.31 | Tenkawa | actually hopes the new AMD soc arm boards are decent when they come out |
| 23:30.52 | Tenkawa | houn: heheh I hear ya |
| 23:32.01 | Tenkawa | tries to find new things to do with all of his bbb's and rpi's constantly |
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| 23:32.35 | houn | I guess I could set up my mpd stream again. |
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| 23:34.03 | houn | It's not the most convenient way of streaming music to my phone, but it's free. |
| 23:34.10 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
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| 23:34.14 | asterismo | hi guys is it possible to change the tty of the X gui from Ctrl+Alt+F7 to F12?? |
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| 23:36.05 | abrotman | Tenkawa: hiya |
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| 23:36.20 | Tenkawa | abrotman: so whats new in the debian world? |
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| 23:37.44 | dotDeb | i switched to the "dusk" theme in debian and now some boxes in firefox have white text on a white background? |
| 23:37.46 | dotDeb | how to fix? |
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| 23:39.16 | houn | dotDeb: 1. Switch to a different GTK theme, or 2. install a firefox theme that overrides it, or 3. hack the theme to make it better. |
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| 23:39.28 | dotDeb | houn i see, thanks |
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| 23:39.53 | houn | I know what I'll do. I'll upgrade to Testing. For kicks. |
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| 23:39.57 | abrotman | Tenkawa: my laptop is sluggish, and I'm not sure why :) |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | isn't sure if something is turned off, or on, or missing, or installed .. |
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| 23:40.32 | abrotman | or maybe it's just time for a new laptop :) |
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| 23:42.45 | Tenkawa | abrotman: heh.. I bought a chromebook |
| 23:42.45 | Tenkawa | been my fav notebook yet |
| 23:42.45 | Tenkawa | got it running debian and slackware |
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| 23:44.10 | dotDeb | wait, are there no mirrors for the security repositories? they are acting really slow for me for some reason |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | dotDeb: for what? wheezy? |
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| 23:45.18 | abrotman | there are, but better to use the main name |
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| 23:45.36 | dotDeb | abrotman yea |
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| 23:45.49 | dotDeb | abrotman is it safe to use html.debian.net for the others? |
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| 23:47.15 | dotDeb | abrotman sorry, http.debian.net |
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| 23:47.43 | dotDeb | is that redirector, http.debian.net, good to use? |
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| 23:50.19 | dotDeb | also, how do i install from backports? |
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| 23:51.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell dotDeb about wheezy-backports |
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| 23:51.44 | dotDeb | babilen i already did all that but i don't see the backport in synaptic |
| 23:51.45 | babilen | dpkg: and then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ..." |
| 23:51.46 | dpkg | babilen: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:52.13 | babilen | dpkg: Did you run "apt-get update" ? |
| 23:52.15 | dpkg | babilen: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | dotDeb: yes |
| 23:52.20 | babilen | argh |
| 23:52.22 | dotDeb | abrotman cool thanks |
| 23:52.33 | dotDeb | babilen ah thanks |
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| 23:53.06 | babilen | dotDeb: Did you run apt-get update? I'm not using synaptic at all and am not sure how to get it to work with backports. I'm sure it's possible somehow, but I simply use apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:53.54 | dotDeb | babilen i just did it from terminal instead |
| 23:53.56 | dotDeb | thx |
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| 23:58.29 | dotDeb | wow, wheezy-backports is very slow |
| 23:59.07 | dotDeb | right now at least |
