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| 00:05.49 | jhutchins | dotDeb: What kind of speed? |
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| 00:07.09 | dotDeb | jhutchins <100kB/s |
| 00:07.19 | centrx | I didn't know wheezy-backports was only on one server. |
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| 00:07.35 | dotDeb | centrx i'm not sure if it is, but i didn't see mirrors |
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| 00:08.13 | centrx | dotDeb, What server are you using? |
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| 00:10.32 | dotDeb | centrx *facepalm* |
| 00:10.38 | dotDeb | centrx the german server. |
| 00:10.44 | dotDeb | centrx and i'm in the U.S. |
| 00:10.50 | dotDeb | hahahahahaha |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | the backports are on every mirror |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | or should be |
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| 00:12.21 | dioz | ha |
| 00:13.11 | dotDeb | abrotman ah good point |
| 00:14.09 | Goodbox | o/ |
| 00:14.18 | dioz | what's the difference between echo and echo -n? |
| 00:14.21 | dotDeb | ah much better |
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| 00:15.09 | Goodbox | dioz: -n does not <lf> |
| 00:15.24 | Goodbox | you have to write the carriage return |
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| 00:15.31 | dioz | what's the difference between su and su - ? |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | dioz: read the man pages |
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| 00:15.52 | dioz | if you don't know the answer it's okay abrotman |
| 00:15.57 | abrotman | dioz: these are elementary questions |
| 00:15.57 | dioz | leave it for others to answer |
| 00:16.01 | Goodbox | oww, please use su - always instead su if you want to login to root |
| 00:16.05 | Goodbox | yes |
| 00:16.07 | Goodbox | really |
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| 00:19.20 | Goodbox | abrotman: Sorry for responding to dumbies… i'll take care. |
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| 00:20.04 | afuentes | after upgrading i get "shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl" |
| 00:20.24 | afuentes | im running in openvz container |
| 00:20.42 | afuentes | googling pretty much get i shouldnt had upgraded |
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| 00:25.41 | afuentes | the openvz template fix is to prevent sysvinit to upgrade :( |
| 00:25.42 | centrx | afuentes, What did you upgrade? |
| 00:25.42 | afuentes | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:25.45 | afuentes | do i have to remade all the work on that vm and pin sysvinit before upgrade? :( |
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| 00:26.26 | afuentes | another suggestion i found is to to reinstall upstart https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/07/msg01278.html |
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| 00:26.57 | afuentes | but apt-get asked me to type do as i say... which is scary to say the least |
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| 00:27.03 | abrotman | uh ... |
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| 00:27.34 | abrotman | afuentes: maybe you should pastebin what it's askign you to do instead of an email from 9 months ago |
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| 00:28.44 | afuentes | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/87603/ |
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| 00:29.00 | afuentes | and go back to tty |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | that's not what I aasked for .. but okay |
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| 00:29.28 | afuentes | oh, sorry |
| 00:29.58 | afuentes | http://paste.debian.net/87604/ |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | afuentes: why do you want upstart? |
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| 00:31.40 | afuentes | abrotman, that 9 old month mail suggest as fix to reinstall upstart :( |
| 00:31.58 | afuentes | the other fixes i can find is to avoid upgrading |
| 00:32.13 | afuentes | which is kinda late already :( |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | fix of what? |
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| 00:33.49 | afuentes | of my first paste... i cant poweroff, or reboot machine. if i hard reboot it wont start again (or so i have read of the bug) |
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| 00:39.34 | afuentes | okay, since is unlikely that anybody knows how to fix this... ill reask my question. is it safe to reinstall upstart in wheezy? |
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| 00:39.50 | abrotman | afuentes: why do you want upstart? |
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| 00:40.28 | afuentes | its my only clue to fix my current issue |
| 00:40.32 | afuentes | i have* |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | which is? |
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| 00:40.50 | afuentes | i cant reboot or restart |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | because you installed upstart? or before this? |
| 00:41.18 | afuentes | the upgrade removed upstart |
| 00:41.32 | afuentes | (apt-get dist-upgrade on wheezy) |
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| 00:42.14 | afuentes | i didnt manually installed upstart or anything... just used the openvz debian 7 template |
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| 00:43.26 | afuentes | googling the issue the only fix i can find is not to had upgraded... which i cant revert now... a guy (the mail from d-u that pasted) suggest to reinstall upstart again as a fix |
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| 00:44.00 | afuentes | and so, does anybody know if is safe to reinstall upstart? |
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| 00:54.36 | afuentes | it worked! |
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| 00:55.13 | dvs | !beer afuentes |
| 00:55.14 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for afuentes |
| 00:55.15 | afuentes | reinstalling upstart thats it |
| 00:55.16 | afuentes | and machine rebooted fine :D |
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| 00:56.16 | afuentes | phew |
| 00:56.19 | afuentes | that was a close one |
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| 01:02.09 | afuentes | thanks dvs, i would had definetly need one if it didnt work :D |
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| 01:02.22 | dvs | !coffee afuentes |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Colombian for afuentes, courtesy of dvs |
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| 01:08.13 | afuentes | its kinda late in here but okay... i never turn down coffee either :D |
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| 01:13.24 | asterismo | hi people |
| 01:13.32 | asterismo | how do i enable scrollback in tty mode? |
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| 01:14.59 | abrotman | asterismo: it's already enabled unless you've done something |
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| 01:15.40 | asterismo | and how do i scrollback?? |
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| 01:16.04 | shingouz | asterismo: shift+pgup |
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| 01:16.24 | asterismo | shingouz, ;) thanks man |
| 01:16.32 | asterismo | gotcha! |
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| 01:17.04 | asterismo | can i change the default tty for Z gui? say, Ctrl+Alt+F7 change to Ctrl+Alt+F12?? |
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| 01:17.15 | asterismo | and have all ttys from 1 to 11? |
| 01:17.28 | afuentes | ctrl shift pgup |
| 01:17.28 | afuentes | sorry, shift pgup |
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| 01:18.11 | dvs | asterismo: You would just have to add the extra terminals to do that. |
| 01:18.31 | afuentes | asterismo, /etc/fstab add more tty entries |
| 01:18.34 | asterismo | i already added more terminals (up to tty12) |
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| 01:18.42 | asterismo | but the 7 is the x gui |
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| 01:18.53 | abrotman | asterismo: /etc/inittab |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | afuentes: incorrect |
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| 01:19.06 | asterismo | yes, i did that |
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| 01:19.22 | asterismo | but the tty7is used by the x server |
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| 01:19.32 | asterismo | i would like to change it to tty12 |
| 01:19.44 | asterismo | so i use CTRL+ALT+F12 |
| 01:19.48 | asterismo | for the X server |
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| 01:19.56 | abrotman | asterismo: /etc/inittab |
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| 01:20.43 | dvs | abrotman: sooooooo, what are you saying? ;-) |
| 01:20.48 | afuentes | whats incorrect? |
| 01:21.02 | asterismo | it's /etc/inittab |
| 01:21.08 | asterismo | not /etc/fstab |
| 01:21.14 | asterismo | that is for filesystems |
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| 01:22.44 | asterismo | so? |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:22.53 | asterismo | tty7? |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | asterismo: you've been given the answer twice now .. |
| 01:23.07 | asterismo | it's like i have X server in the middle of my ttys |
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| 01:24.01 | asterismo | abrotman, /etc/inittab that is for enabling more ttys |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | asterismo: or look in /etc/X11/ |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | gives up |
| 01:24.13 | asterismo | no for change the tty7 to tty12 |
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| 01:29.10 | asterismo | can i disable the startx at login? |
| 01:29.35 | nkuttler | !tell asterismo about nodm |
| 01:30.06 | nkuttler | asterismo: um, wait, what? |
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| 01:30.24 | asterismo | the thing is that i would like to launch X server with the XFCE desktop in certain ocassions, since most of the apps i use are in terminal |
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| 01:30.36 | asterismo | so i want to prevent the system of loading all the desktop |
| 01:30.54 | DasEi | VERSION Purple IRC |
| 01:30.59 | asterismo | but still want to have the option to launch it from a tty if i want |
| 01:31.03 | asterismo | can i do that? |
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| 01:31.11 | nkuttler | see what the bot just told you |
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| 01:34.32 | asterismo | echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 01:34.47 | asterismo | but that file says "/usr/bin/lightdm" |
| 01:34.52 | asterismo | but that file says "/usr/sbin/lightdm" |
| 01:34.54 | asterismo | sorry |
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| 01:35.09 | dvs | yeah.... so? |
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| 01:35.48 | shingouz | asterismo: for a more permanent solution, just remove the display manager, that echo-thingie disables it temporarily |
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| 01:37.09 | asterismo | but i do not want to uninstall it, just want to be able to launch it manually |
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| 01:37.32 | dvs | asterismo: Uninstallig the display manager does not disable X. |
| 01:37.58 | asterismo | but i cannot go back to normality |
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| 01:38.08 | asterismo | just want to revent it to executing automatically |
| 01:38.13 | asterismo | there is a big difference |
| 01:38.16 | dvs | gives u |
| 01:38.18 | dvs | p |
| 01:38.19 | asterismo | i do not want o uninstall anything |
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| 01:39.12 | shingouz | asterismo: if you uninstall the dm, you will have a system that does not start X at startup. you start the x with startx from a tty. just like you said you would like to do |
| 01:39.21 | dvs | !ops <Horace_Dennis_Al> is spamming |
| 01:39.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: dvs complains about: <Horace_Dennis_Al> is spamming |
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| 01:40.00 | asterismo | shingouz, but can i later hit the logout button from XFCE and go to the user login screen then? |
| 01:40.03 | asterismo | i guess not |
| 01:40.08 | seeker62 | is irc freenode having issues tonight? |
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| 01:40.44 | shingouz | asterismo: no. you will end up in the tty. if you want a graphical login, you will automatically start X every time |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | seeker62: ask #freenode |
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| 01:41.11 | abrotman | dvs: who ? |
| 01:41.43 | dvs | Horace_Dennis_Al |
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| 01:41.54 | abrotman | dvs: not in this channel? |
| 01:42.06 | dvs | in private |
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| 01:42.21 | abrotman | dvs: I can't fix your PMs, and he's not in this channel .. |
| 01:42.31 | dvs | ok |
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| 01:43.14 | mynam | Evening. |
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| 01:59.00 | asterismo | is there anyway to control brightness and other laptop stuff in a pure terminal way? |
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| 02:03.51 | asterismo | It seems that uninstalling lightdm desables some power-manager features like brigthness control and suspend function, once i launch X with startx i cannot longer suspend the machine or change brightness |
| 02:04.01 | asterismo | this is an issue for me right now |
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| 02:09.03 | intx | for some reason debian isn't archiving log files, my /var/log dir is 1.9G |
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| 02:10.20 | cntrx | intx uh, /var/log contains the archives |
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| 02:10.43 | cntrx | intx, Although that seems like a big directory size, but what is in it? |
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| 02:10.48 | seeker61 | using nvidia drivers for gdm3 where is screen resolution set on wheezy |
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| 02:12.00 | intx | something is definitely wrong, syslog.0 and user.log.0 have't been touched since 2010 |
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| 02:12.18 | centrx | intx, Fine time to notice... |
| 02:12.23 | intx | haha |
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| 02:12.35 | centrx | intx, Are you also using a version of Debian version from 2010? |
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| 02:13.12 | intx | 6.0.1 |
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| 02:13.40 | centrx | intx, March 19th, 2011 |
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| 02:14.33 | intx | I haven't bothered upgrading because it usually breaks things :) |
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| 02:16.09 | centrx | intx, You should at least do the security updates... |
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| 02:20.23 | Mardus | Hi, abrotman |
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| 02:21.33 | Mardus | I went to a different location and found the site I was looking for from my bookmarks. |
| 02:21.49 | nkuttler | !ops unsolicited sexual pms from Horace_Dennis_Al |
| 02:21.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: unsolicited sexual pms from Horace_Dennis_Al |
| 02:22.12 | dvs | see? |
| 02:22.41 | nkuttler | and yes, certainly in channel |
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| 02:22.57 | nkuttler | sorry, i missed that you were already talking about it |
| 02:23.01 | Mardus | Wow, bras for men from Texas, USA |
| 02:23.17 | Mardus | Who would have known. |
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| 02:25.35 | Mardus | How to search for a channel of which name I only know a part? |
| 02:25.43 | nkuttler | Mardus: /msg alis help list |
| 02:25.54 | nkuttler | Mardus: see also #freenode for help with the network |
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| 02:26.15 | Mardus | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 02:28.41 | abrotman | Mardus: ? |
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| 02:29.52 | asterismo | abrotman, i uninstalled lightdm, but when i startx, i have no brightness control and cannot suspend... |
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| 02:32.10 | OneBraveHog | 16x4a_0005 <- bird says too damned many leaves on the tree. |
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| 02:32.25 | kminooie | is there a separate room for apt issues? |
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| 02:32.55 | Mardus | kminooie: I think debian is fine. |
| 02:33.06 | kminooie | ok thanks |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | kminooie: are you using Debian? |
| 02:34.13 | kminooie | so I am stuck. while I was install a package, post script of another package that was being installed as part of dependencies failed. and now I am in limbo |
| 02:34.18 | Mardus | Horace_Dennis_Al is spamming again. |
| 02:34.20 | kminooie | yes I am using debian |
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| 02:34.38 | abrotman | Mardus: not from here, can't do anything about it |
| 02:34.42 | kminooie | aboman: yes I am using debian |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | kminooie: use paste.debian.net to show us |
| 02:35.09 | kminooie | ok 1 min |
| 02:35.10 | Mardus | abrotman: What do you mean with "not from here"? |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | Mardus: that user isn' tin this channel |
| 02:35.35 | Mardus | abromatn: Oh, ok. |
| 02:35.52 | Mardus | abrotman: * ^ |
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| 02:36.40 | asterismo | please someone help me |
| 02:37.19 | kminooie | http://paste.debian.net/87612/ |
| 02:39.03 | kminooie | asterismo: help you with what? |
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| 02:40.54 | asterismo | when i enable tty autologin and disable the lightdm display manager (for do it manually with startx when needed) i cannot suspend the laptop or have brightness control |
| 02:41.26 | centrx | kminooie, Maybe the backport is broken? Where are the packages from? |
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| 02:41.56 | kminooie | asterismo: sorry man I have nothing |
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| 02:43.21 | kminooie | centrx: these are openstack packages. they are not the issue. as part of post processing it was setting the database and I accidentally gave it the wrong credential so long story short scripts failed. and here we are |
| 02:43.28 | centrx | asterismo, Look up Debian Power Management |
| 02:43.35 | asterismo | kminooie, thanks anyway ;) |
| 02:43.43 | centrx | kminooie, You could uninstall them and start over? |
| 02:44.31 | kminooie | well lets see, but i don't think so because it says that they are not installed. |
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| 02:44.39 | asterismo | centrx, i think the issue was that i enable tty7 as an autologin terminal and the X gui started in tty12 |
| 02:45.00 | asterismo | but i turn back to normality and freed tty7 and now i can |
| 02:45.02 | asterismo | weird |
| 02:45.40 | asterismo | or maybe startx does not start power manager... |
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| 02:45.54 | kminooie | :) thank you |
| 02:47.16 | Mardus | Should the power manager be working separately instead of being invoked after startx?? |
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| 03:00.53 | dvs | sue him! |
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| 03:43.50 | goose | I'm trying to troubleshoot why nginx is not starting on boot on a fresh install of Wheezy |
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| 03:44.52 | smunguia | goose what do your logs show? |
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| 03:45.29 | goose | smunguia: nginx logs? nothing abnormal. if I grep /var/syslog for 'nginx' it doesn't return anything startup related, either. |
| 03:46.04 | goose | or are you referring to a different log file? |
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| 03:48.09 | goose | I've already tried "update-rc.d nginx defaults", and doing "ls /etc/rc*.d | grep nginx" shows that it does appear to have been updated by update-rc.d (or it has symlinks in those folders anyways) |
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| 03:48.41 | goose | and if I start the service manually, it runs fine, no config errors or anything. it just isn't starting on boot. |
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| 03:55.49 | wonderworld | how about ln -s /etc/init.d/nginx /etc/rc2.d/S99nginx ? |
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| 03:58.04 | goose | wonderworld: turns out nginx was failing to start because debian was starting it before iptables allocated my VPN's virtual interface, causing nginx to fail to launch because 10.8.0.1 was not available to bind to |
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| 04:03.42 | SerajewelKS | i just created a new volume (mkfs.ext4) and cp -a'd over the contents of another volume, and after doing so "fsck -f" reports "18.5% non-contiguous". am i misunderstanding something? shouldn't that be pretty close to 0? |
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| 04:04.36 | SerajewelKS | if not actually 0 |
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| 04:10.47 | Lewoco | Why has netbeans not been updated in years? Debian used to track upstream and then at version 7.0 they just stopped...? |
| 04:11.10 | Lewoco | Still has several maintainers according to the website. |
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| 04:13.11 | Rusty1 | !netbeans |
| 04:13.12 | dpkg | NetBeans is an open source, cross-platform Integrated Development Environment (IDE) written in <Java>. Not part of the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release due to bug #506294. http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansUserFAQ http://www.netbeans.org/ #netbeans on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:13.15 | wols_ | probably cause the license changed. similar to java: debian cannot distribute oracle java either. |
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| 04:15.54 | wols_ | ah, metbeans 7 is alread in main |
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| 04:26.30 | centrx | dpkg must have tons of old factoids |
| 04:26.30 | dpkg | centrx: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:26.50 | centrx | dpkg, You know what? F U. I am tired of your backtalk. |
| 04:26.50 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 04:32.56 | icedtea | how to get the source code of a package? |
| 04:33.08 | nkuttler | icedtea: apt-get source foo |
| 04:33.13 | nkuttler | icedtea: assuming you have deb-src lines |
| 04:33.42 | Lewoco | On testing, where is the default login umask set? |
| 04:34.54 | towski_ | i'm trying to force an executable to use a different shared library from the one listed in ldd |
| 04:35.11 | towski_ | but LD_PRELOAD isn't changing it |
| 04:35.12 | Lewoco | For some reason I'm getting 022, even though it's set to 002 in login.defs and commented out in /etc/profile. |
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| 04:35.27 | towski_ | nor is /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path |
| 04:35.53 | centrx | Lewoco, Check your home directory ~/.profile ? |
| 04:36.02 | centrx | Lewoco, Or another file in your home directory, like .bashrc |
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| 04:36.47 | dotDeb | my wifi breaks after a suspend, any potential reasons why? |
| 04:36.48 | Lewoco | centrx, Nope. |
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| 04:37.54 | centrx | Lewoco, grep -ri umask /etc |
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| 04:39.03 | centrx | Lewoco, Or, login.defs may be setting it, but you are using the old login process from before it was changed |
| 04:41.00 | Lewoco | centrx, Nah, I reboot. |
| 04:41.34 | Lewoco | centrx, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4580162 |
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| 04:42.06 | towski_ | how do I build libpng for 32 bit on a 62 bit machine |
| 04:43.36 | centrx | Lewoco, How are you determining that it is not working? |
| 04:43.50 | centrx | towski_, Try asking in #c |
| 04:43.51 | Lewoco | centrx, login and type umask |
| 04:43.58 | Lewoco | centrx, or ssh localhost umask |
| 04:45.07 | towski_ | yay I compiled it for 32 bit and it works |
| 04:45.59 | icedtea | anyone here have experience building debian packages? How do I get a udev rules files installed? |
| 04:46.18 | Lewoco | centrx, I realise I could probably force it to work by settings it in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile, but that wont have any affect unless I start a shell. |
| 04:46.36 | centrx | Lewoco, As opposed to...? |
| 04:47.02 | Lewoco | centrx, Any other process. For example (ssh localhost umask) |
| 04:47.04 | centrx | Lewoco, ssh still starts bash |
| 04:47.30 | Lewoco | centrx, What about rsync/git? |
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| 04:48.55 | centrx | Lewoco, Did you read the answer at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10220531/how-to-set-system-wide-umask ? |
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| 04:51.26 | Lewoco | centrx, Looks like I didn't have pam_umask.so in common-session. |
| 04:52.53 | Lewoco | centrx, I assumed pam was already set correctly because that's what the comment in /etc/profile says. |
| 04:53.34 | Lewoco | centrx, It works now. Thank you. |
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| 05:27.49 | Tomuxiz | The last flashplayer version is 11.2.202.346. My current is 11,2,202,341. I want to update to the latest, but update-flashplugin-nonfree not help. Also i try to reinstall it, still, got the same version. Can i update to the latest somehow ? |
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| 05:34.18 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 05:36.34 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler: i try, not helps. here http://paste.debian.net/87618/ |
| 05:36.49 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler you have the latest installed ? |
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| 05:50.19 | JasonWoof | my mutt aliases are expanding to: joe@example.com (joe shoe) |
| 05:50.45 | JasonWoof | instead of: joe shoe <joe@example.com> |
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| 05:51.06 | JasonWoof | in unstable, after the latest update |
| 05:51.25 | JasonWoof | this was a patch bump, not a new version of mutt |
| 05:51.32 | JasonWoof | so I don't think the alias file format should have changed |
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| 05:53.38 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] Synaptic > main window > (on the left:) 'package browser' lists the items »Cross Platform«, »Cross Platform (contrib)«, »Cross Platform (non free)«, ... What kind of »Platform« is meant here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform knows of at least 7 different computing platform categories. |
| 05:53.48 | JasonWoof | hmmm... man muttrc says that the "alias" command in your .muttrc can specify the email address + name in either of those formats |
| 05:53.50 | JasonWoof | guess I'll try the other |
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| 05:56.40 | JasonWoof | hmm, works fine with this syntax: alias js Joe Shmoe <joe@shmoe.com> |
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| 06:07.12 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: on idea. --install simply works for me |
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| 06:08.52 | vendiss | What strengthens the idea that the WiFi had a lot to do with the "conductivity" of my mattress was that - whenever I could manage to turn the router off - my bed seemed to basically return back to "normal". |
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| 06:11.38 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler: What is yours current version ? |
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| 06:13.01 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: 11.2.202.341 |
| 06:13.35 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: hrm, which debian release are you on? |
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| 06:17.40 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler: wheezy, you ? |
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| 06:18.20 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler: Can you try to update it and look if you got the newer version? |
| 06:21.54 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: there's some 404 during --install, i guess that's why it fails |
| 06:22.12 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: for me it seems to fall back to a cached version |
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| 06:23.15 | Tomuxiz | hkuttler: strange... im not getting any 404 ... |
| 06:23.22 | nkuttler | Tomuxiz: fwiw, http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
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| 06:26.06 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler:Yes i try manual install |
| 06:26.28 | Tomuxiz | nkuttler:thanks |
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| 06:51.58 | Lewoco | I have no idea what it is that I don't have permission to. How can I find out? |
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| 07:08.55 | danlamanna | i deleted my vlc executable after much frustration, apt-get removed/purged vlc. now after apt-get installing vlc... no binary gets added |
| 07:08.59 | danlamanna | any ideas? |
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| 07:13.54 | peterrooney | danlamanna: dpkg -L vlc | grep bin |
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| 07:14.22 | peterrooney | danlamanna: /usr/bin/vlc is actually in vlc-nox |
| 07:14.24 | danlamanna | peterrooney: only returns /usr/bin/qvlc and /usr/bin/svlc |
| 07:14.44 | danlamanna | peterrooney: and vlc-nox is already newest version |
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| 07:15.12 | syntaks | 'mornin folks |
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| 07:15.22 | peterrooney | since you manually deleted the executeable, I STRONGLY recommend apt-get --reinstall install vlc-nox |
| 07:16.00 | syntaks | i know this isn't the designated place to ask this, but is anyone awake and well-versed in the art of mysql triggers? |
| 07:16.06 | danlamanna | peterrooney: great success! thanks! I didn't know about the --reinstall flag |
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| 07:16.48 | syntaks | #mysql i had a negative response from an individual who thought i was some college kid trying to get homework done for 'em, but i've been coding 4 days and came across this trigger issue about 5 hours ago and still haven't tackled it |
| 07:16.57 | peterrooney | danlamanna: you're welcome. debian packaging has many nooks and crannies, but manually doing things is, um, extreme and likely to cause tears. |
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| 07:17.05 | syntaks | i need some sleep but i have to get this done |
| 07:17.32 | syntaks | i'd be most appreciative |
| 07:18.15 | syntaks | us debian folk are friendlier anyway :P |
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| 07:46.52 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] The command 'root@hostname:/home/username# ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.178.34/24' works all right. '~$ LANG=C man ifconfig': "OPTIONS > interface > … If your kernel supports alias interfaces, you can specify them with eth0:0 for the first alias of eth0. You can use them to assign a second address " Where can I find more information about alias interfaces? |
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| 07:48.32 | bullgard4 | s/alias/these alias/ |
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| 07:58.30 | petern_ | ectospasm, OpenTokix, turns out that that RAMTMP is ignored when using systemd |
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| 08:03.01 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a good utility to see how much network traffic is happening? |
| 08:03.45 | bhuddah | iptraf. |
| 08:03.59 | bullgard4 | no_gravity: There are several. What do you call "good"? |
| 08:04.01 | bhuddah | might be a bit overkill though. |
| 08:04.13 | no_gravity | bullgard4: something i already have would be nice. |
| 08:04.27 | no_gravity | bullgard4: so i can just type commandname in my terminal and see the traffic |
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| 08:04.50 | bhuddah | iftop... |
| 08:04.55 | bhuddah | there are endless possibilities. |
| 08:05.24 | no_gravity | bhuddah: neither have iptraf nor iftop |
| 08:05.31 | bhuddah | THEN INSTALL IT: |
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| 08:05.41 | bullgard4 | no_gravity: Please try '~$ sudo iftop'. |
| 08:05.42 | bhuddah | !installit |
| 08:05.42 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:06.07 | no_gravity | bhuddah: sure, i will if there are no tools i already have that show network traffic. |
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| 08:06.37 | bhuddah | so you want us to guess what is already installed on your box? |
| 08:06.48 | no_gravity | bhuddah: i like to use as few tools as possible |
| 08:06.59 | no_gravity | installed iftop now |
| 08:07.05 | no_gravity | it has the nicer name :) |
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| 08:07.28 | bhuddah | and it's the more basic application. probably suited for keeping a small footprint more than iptraf. |
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| 08:09.00 | no_gravity | bhuddah: what are the 3 numbers after each host? something like traffic in the last 5/10/30 seconds? |
| 08:09.38 | bhuddah | i think in out total. but just look at the manpage. haven't used the tool in ages. |
| 08:10.17 | bhuddah | ah, no. you are right. it's median values over some amount of time. |
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| 08:11.36 | no_gravity | bhuddah: yeah its 2,10 and 40 seconds |
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| 08:56.31 | somiaj | WormFood: what do you mean by a bash scrip beautifier? |
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| 08:57.41 | WormFood | somiaj, do you know about C source code beautifiers? |
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| 08:58.27 | WormFood | it just enforces a set of rules, mostly about the spacing, to help readability, like indenting blocks, and stuff like that. |
| 08:58.37 | petern_ | Write it properly first time :) |
| 08:58.45 | WormFood | it does not fix the code |
| 08:58.49 | WormFood | it is written properly |
| 08:58.59 | WormFood | I don't want to waste time formatting it, when I could be coding. |
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| 08:59.39 | WormFood | http://www.arachnoid.com/python/beautify_bash_program.html <-- here is an example of what I'm talking about (it's nice that their defaults, are what my defaults are) ;) |
| 09:00.27 | WormFood | actually, I need to tweak vim a bit, so it's autoindent feature will be more to my liking. That would help somewhat, but it isn't perfect. |
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| 09:19.59 | |ntegra| | can anyone skype for a minute so I can troubleshoot my webcamera? |
| 09:20.40 | theBat | |ntegra|: sure |
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| 09:21.13 | |ntegra| | cool! I'm laleia.clark@hotmail.com |
| 09:21.24 | |ntegra| | can you just call me? |
| 09:21.32 | theBat | Sure thing, just a minute |
| 09:22.18 | babilen | |ntegra|: I would *strongly* recommend to not hand out your personal data in a publicly logged (and attended) channel in the future. |
| 09:22.57 | |ntegra| | oh crap lol |
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| 09:23.31 | |ntegra| | kiaora from new zealand |
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| 09:24.09 | babilen | |ntegra|: Please take this off-topic chatter elsewhere. This is a technical support channel for Debian :) |
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| 09:56.32 | unknown_ | Hi, how to get autologin in debian wheezy |
| 09:57.22 | towo` | depends on you $DM |
| 09:57.33 | towo` | s/you/your |
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| 10:01.39 | talo | hi |
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| 10:04.23 | serban | hej, i have an external usb keyboard that has media keys; the damn 'fn' problem. My laptop keyboard works correctly(it also has fn), but my usb one doesn't. How can i disable(or permanently enable) the fn key? |
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| 10:08.56 | Brigo | serban, try this: http://superuser.com/questions/75817/two-keyboards-on-one-computer-when-i-write-with-a-i-want-a-us-keyboard-layout |
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| 10:22.42 | zeto28 | Question (wheezy): I have a meta-package "linux-image-686-pae" which is marked as automatically installed, but no other installed package predepends, depends, recommends or suggests (on) it. why is it not automatically removed by aptitude like any other automatically installed package on which nothing depends...? TIA. |
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| 10:23.27 | zeto28 | it's also not essential |
| 10:24.02 | towo` | this package is installed for automatic kernel-updates |
| 10:24.20 | towo` | without this package you would never get a updated kernel |
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| 10:25.41 | zeto28 | towo`: okay, but why is it treated differently from other packages? does aptitude/APT have special magic code that ensures it won't be automatically removed? |
| 10:25.45 | themill | zeto28: kernel packages are marked as being never autoremovable. See /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove |
| 10:26.35 | zeto28 | themill: thanks, exactly what I was looking for |
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| 10:54.49 | ExSquare | hi guys! I have a little question about tiger installed on debian. It shows me in the report warning number pass014w that some of my accounts are disabled (like root), but in fact they are not. They are fully operational. Is it a bug? |
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| 11:02.59 | future28 | Hey, has anyone had issues with scp, relating to mtu size on the network adapter? |
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| 11:03.10 | future28 | Also uploading to dropbox, etc |
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| 11:10.16 | Arr0way | guys, during an install debian installer has the default partition table laid out |
| 11:10.26 | Arr0way | for lvm |
| 11:10.40 | Arr0way | an i reset this |
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| 11:16.13 | Brigo | Arr0way, no, you have ot add this partition to a VG |
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| 11:22.00 | petn-randall | Arr0way: You're missing the actual question ... |
| 11:22.34 | ExSquare | hi guys! I have a little question about tiger installed on debian. It shows me in the report warning number pass014w that some of my accounts are disabled (like root), but in fact they are not. They are fully operational. Is it a bug? |
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| 11:25.10 | petn-randall | ExSquare: Disabling the password doesn't make the account unusable. You can still gain root via SSH keys or sudo, if that's what you have. Can you log in as root with a password? |
| 11:25.28 | petn-randall | ExSquare: P.S.: Don't forget the gals ;) |
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| 11:42.43 | no_gravity | Can I mount a blockdevice in a way, that all users have access to all files? |
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| 11:51.29 | Walex2 | no_gravity: you can't mount blockdevices, only the filetrees contained in them. |
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| 11:52.38 | Walex2 | no_gravity: is your question whether you can give default or enforce permissions? |
| 11:53.23 | no_gravity | Walex2: i think "chmod -R 0777 /mnt/point" will solve it. |
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| 11:53.46 | Walex2 | no_gravity: the question as I said whether you want to give *default* or *enforced* permissions. |
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| 11:54.35 | Walex2 | no_gravity: that gives *current* permissions, which is neither. New files might not be created with those permissions, and users can change permissions of existing files. |
| 11:55.13 | no_gravity | Walex2: yes, your right. |
| 11:55.27 | no_gravity | Walex2: would be better if new files also have full permissions for everybody. |
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| 11:56.39 | Walex2 | no_gravity: do you also want to prevent permissions being restricted? |
| 11:57.18 | no_gravity | Walex2: prevent who? |
| 11:57.43 | Walex2 | no_gravity: users who create new files own them, and then they can change the permissions later... |
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| 11:58.15 | Walex2 | no_gravity: anyhow, the discussion is "complicated". Your best option is to have a look at extended ACLs. |
| 11:58.18 | no_gravity | Walex2: yeah.. complicated. |
| 11:58.31 | no_gravity | Walex2: i will just live with the chmod 0777 for now |
| 11:58.43 | Walex2 | no_gravity: part of the reason is that POSIX says things work one way, and you want them to work another way... |
| 11:59.39 | Walex2 | no_gravity: http://jesin.tk/linux-acl-tutorial/ |
| 12:00.08 | Walex2 | https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_121/opensuse-security/cha.security.acls.html |
| 12:00.13 | Arr0way | guys I am trying to partition up a debian system at install time, i hit guided (mistake) and now it's created a default layout - I can't seem to delete the existing LV's it's created - is this possible? |
| 12:00.46 | Walex2 | Arr0way: everything is possible in that domain, the question is whether your system will still work afterwards. |
| 12:01.23 | Arr0way | Walex2: i dont need it to - i have not installed yet. |
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| 12:01.40 | Arr0way | i just need to wipe the disk clean |
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| 12:01.46 | Arr0way | i tried dropping to console |
| 12:02.01 | Arr0way | but limited tools there - can't fdisk etc |
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| 12:04.21 | Arr0way | pretty lame that there is no option to remove them |
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| 12:06.31 | Walex2 | Arr0way: 'dmsetup'? |
| 12:06.45 | Walex2 | Arr0way: or if you want a luxury comfort environment a liveCD? |
| 12:07.09 | shingouz | Arr0way: if you can find cat, why not fill the beginning of the drive with zeroes? that would result in a "fresh" drive |
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| 12:08.00 | Arr0way | shingouz: let me see if it has cat |
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| 12:11.39 | Arr0way | disks are called something funky as it's a hp server with a raid card. |
| 12:12.01 | Arr0way | no fdisk to do a fdisk -l |
| 12:12.07 | Arr0way | any other options |
| 12:12.18 | bhuddah | /dev/cciss/c(number)d(number) |
| 12:12.29 | Arr0way | the livecd has dd \o/ |
| 12:12.54 | Arr0way | what does cciss stand for ? |
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| 12:15.41 | shingouz | Arr0way: if you have the filesystem for the new debian install somewhere, mount and access that for the needed tools. i have not done a fresh install for a very long time, don't exactly remember where the things would sit (but they are there) |
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| 12:19.16 | shingouz | Arr0way: at least the busybox on my sid install has cat and dd. i believe the installer shell runs on busybox, everything should be there |
| 12:19.24 | Arr0way | shingouz: yeah |
| 12:19.36 | Arr0way | cat'ing over the disk now |
| 12:20.12 | shingouz | Arr0way: you only need to cat a little bit to zero the partition table, not the entire disk |
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| 12:20.42 | babilen | Arr0way: You should be able to remove them, but you have to enter "LVM edit mode" |
| 12:21.52 | Arr0way | shingouz: i figure |
| 12:22.01 | Arr0way | couple of minutes should suffice ? |
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| 12:22.47 | aLmostHumAn | what can I do on my debian vps? |
| 12:22.54 | shingouz | Arr0way: yes. after that a normal paritioning like a completely fresh drive is in order |
| 12:23.08 | Arr0way | i hope so |
| 12:23.16 | Arr0way | installer still shows old lv names |
| 12:23.35 | Arr0way | might need a reboto to re-read the partition table? |
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| 12:23.44 | aLmostHumAn | I already have a BNC, some py scripts, website and a game server |
| 12:23.54 | aLmostHumAn | and also ftp |
| 12:23.59 | Arr0way | aLmostHumAn: grats |
| 12:24.37 | Arr0way | cancel it and use the money to buy something else |
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| 12:24.49 | Arr0way | like sex , coffee, drugs or beer |
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| 12:24.57 | aLmostHumAn | lol I use it |
| 12:25.06 | aLmostHumAn | but I have so much RAM free |
| 12:25.14 | aLmostHumAn | and its the cheapest plan |
| 12:25.20 | aLmostHumAn | for 5 euro |
| 12:25.36 | shingouz | aLmostHumAn: if you have a problem with too much ram, build a fork bomb :P |
| 12:25.43 | aLmostHumAn | xD |
| 12:25.48 | markotitel | anyone installed coreos on libvirt host? Cant get metadata with authorized_keys to work cant login to coreos :) |
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| 12:26.38 | shingouz | markotitel: coreos? |
| 12:26.56 | markotitel | shingouz, yes |
| 12:27.04 | markotitel | http://coreos.com/docs/running-coreos/platforms/libvirt/ |
| 12:27.09 | jelly | aLmostHumAn: I have a vps for €2, 5 sounds expensive compared! |
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| 12:28.00 | jelly | it's a vpn/tunnel, proxy, and some of those things you mentioned |
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| 12:29.01 | shingouz | markotitel: if you are running that on debian, this should be the correct place to ask. if you are running coreos and need that to be configured, you really are better off asking the people who work with that one |
| 12:29.09 | aLmostHumAn | I have 1gb of RAM, 2ghz, 20mbit with no transfer limit and 10gb hdd |
| 12:29.13 | aLmostHumAn | ^^ |
| 12:29.55 | markotitel | shingouz, shucks I thought I am on coreos channel :) It is one line down :) |
| 12:30.06 | aLmostHumAn | Hmm maybe ill start a smtp server |
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| 12:30.44 | aLmostHumAn | idk how to configure it but there are tons of tutorials in the inet |
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| 12:31.34 | Arr0way | wahoo fresh disk \o/ |
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| 12:43.42 | tensorpudding | Is it possible to use wheezy-backports repositories in jessie? |
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| 12:44.39 | themill | tensorpudding: there's no point |
| 12:44.49 | themill | (also, there's no sane way of doing so) |
| 12:46.27 | tensorpudding | It'd be lovely if it did, I suppose, so I could get new iceweasel. |
| 12:46.45 | tensorpudding | At this point I'm thinking I'll just take the experimental package for the newest release and build it myself. |
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| 12:47.42 | shingouz | gets the feeling tensorpudding is going to have some problems with his system and will get to keep the pieces.. |
| 12:47.54 | themill | jessie and wheezy-backports have the same version of iceweasel; if you want newer for jessie, you need to grab it from experimental along with its direct dependencies. |
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| 12:49.21 | HD|Laptop | hi all |
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| 12:49.27 | SirLagz | hi |
| 12:49.27 | HD|Laptop | i have a server with LDAP auth |
| 12:49.38 | HD|Laptop | well so far so good, from one day to the other something is broken |
| 12:49.48 | ExSquare | hi guys! I have a little question about tiger installed on debian. It shows me in the report warning number pass014w that some of my accounts are disabled (like root), but in fact they are not. They are fully operational. Is it a bug? |
| 12:50.01 | HD|Laptop | for some reason I only get the UID displayed in ls -lah |
| 12:50.11 | ExSquare | the root password is not disabled |
| 12:50.19 | ExSquare | the root account is a standard account. I can log in locally or via ssh. |
| 12:50.20 | HD|Laptop | UID in "getent passwd" shows the user and uid |
| 12:50.30 | ExSquare | yet tiger still claims this account is disabled. |
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| 12:55.03 | tensorpudding | shingouz: My options for getting a version of iceweasel higher than 24 seem to be: break my system with experimental repositories, breaking my system by trying to build experimental packages on testing, or breaking my system trying to build upstream firefox |
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| 12:56.01 | shingouz | tensorpudding: you do run a very high risk of doing that, yes. it *can* be done, but not really a job for a novice |
| 12:56.20 | tensorpudding | But I don't think the second option is a huge problem, though. I have mucked with packaging before. |
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| 12:56.41 | shingouz | tensorpudding: in that case, go for it |
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| 12:59.40 | ExSquare | anyone familiar with tiger running on debian? |
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| 12:59.45 | lroe | Anyone know how to stop vlc from stopping my machine from going to screensaver? |
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| 13:01.06 | DammitJim | please don't bash me... what window manager should I use that is super stable? |
| 13:01.22 | DammitJim | and that is easy to configure shortcuts on |
| 13:01.36 | DammitJim | I'm running xfce but it is a pain in the bottom to configure and their channel isn't very helpful |
| 13:01.50 | Beluki | lroe: tools, preferences, video: disable screensaver. |
| 13:01.57 | HD|Laptop | hmm... solved the UID/GID mapping in ls -lah |
| 13:02.02 | HD|Laptop | but still I cannot login |
| 13:02.02 | lroe | Beluki, cli option? |
| 13:02.11 | HD|Laptop | auth.log says cannot get shadow information |
| 13:02.17 | HD|Laptop | getent shadow shows the ldap users |
| 13:02.19 | HD|Laptop | like marco_ldap:*:15105:::::: |
| 13:02.23 | lroe | Beluki, and no, I *want* my machine to go to screensaver |
| 13:02.25 | HD|Laptop | what the ...? |
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| 13:02.53 | Beluki | lroe: --no-disable-screensaver | --disable-screensaver, according to https://wiki.videolan.org/VLC-0-9-x_command-line_help/ |
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| 13:04.40 | arubi | hi all, how can I properly shutdown a headless machine without sudo? I also have physical access to this machine |
| 13:05.04 | shingouz | arubi: go root and do the shutdown? |
| 13:05.32 | shingouz | ...over ssh, or something, of course... |
| 13:05.40 | arubi | shingouz, I'm connected via ssh, I have no password for root |
| 13:05.43 | arubi | or sudo |
| 13:05.50 | arubi | ssh using keys |
| 13:05.50 | blue_sky | arubi: shutdown requires root privs, normal user can't do it |
| 13:06.13 | arubi | blue_sky, is there a way to do it properly if I have physical access? |
| 13:06.25 | arubi | It's a headless laptop |
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| 13:06.37 | blue_sky | arubi: only if you have the root password or are in the sudoers file |
| 13:07.01 | blue_sky | headless laptop?! the mind boggles |
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| 13:07.07 | arubi | I am in the sudoers file, today I logged in and either I completely forgot the password |
| 13:07.08 | shingouz | arubi: the only proper way is to get the root acccess or sudo access. other than that a hammer, perhaps? |
| 13:07.24 | arubi | or somehow someone changed it |
| 13:07.26 | shingouz | arubi: it should ask your own password in that case |
| 13:07.28 | blue_sky | let the battery go flat, that'll shut it down |
| 13:07.30 | arubi | blue_sky, it serves a purpose |
| 13:07.40 | arubi | hmm you're right |
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| 13:08.10 | blue_sky | arubi: as shingouz says, sudo should ask for *your* password, not root's |
| 13:08.19 | arubi | shingouz, it's my own password, and root's that I don't seem to "remember" correctly |
| 13:08.37 | arubi | that's what's weird about it... and the machine only accepts connections on ssh, with my key |
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| 13:09.45 | blue_sky | arubi: connect an external screen, hard shutdown, boot with a bootable *nix cd/dvd, reset the passwords, fsck the HD, reboot |
| 13:09.51 | shingouz | arubi: you need your own password if you are in sudoers. the root passord is irrelevant in that case. if you have completely forgot all passwords, you have your work cut out for you as the box is headless |
| 13:10.29 | blue_sky | would need chroot to re-set the password once booted from other media |
| 13:10.32 | arubi | blue_sky, I know how to re set the passwords, no problem, I was just curious about the proper way to shut down |
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| 13:10.48 | shingouz | hammer :P |
| 13:10.55 | arubi | shingouz, :) |
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| 13:10.59 | blue_sky | arubi: as we keep saying, as root or with sudo, there is no other proper way |
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| 13:11.36 | arubi | blue_sky, you suggested letting the battery go flat, that'll make the machine turn off properly right? |
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| 13:12.01 | arubi | It won't just suddenly turn off |
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| 13:12.05 | shingouz | arubi: no, it will shut down. no cleanly, but it will shsut down |
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| 13:12.30 | blue_sky | arubi: not necessarily, depends how it's set up, it might just die in the middle of writing to disk and then you have a whole heap of fun |
| 13:12.50 | shingouz | arubi: you could also conceivably use the magic sysrq key. at least you can make it sync and unmount before you yank the plug |
| 13:12.54 | arubi | :(.. will REISUB work ? |
| 13:13.23 | arubi | yea, so sysrq + SUB, is that enough? |
| 13:14.04 | shingouz | arubi: i seem to remember that B reboots the system. after you have synced and umounted the thing, i see no objection to just pulling the plug |
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| 13:14.57 | arubi | shingouz, yep, I'll reboot to single user, or to a live os. |
| 13:15.13 | arubi | trying now. thanks for the input! |
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| 13:38.49 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. with the latest amd64 testing updates, autocompletion for bash does not work. this is what i get upon <tab> press: bash: words: bad array subscript bash: words: bad array subscript |
| 13:39.06 | bhuddah | !testing |
| 13:39.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 13:40.40 | james0r2 | always had an easy time with my intel integrated graphics with linux, thinking about buying an Nvidia GeForce 210. Are finding the right drivers a big issue nowadays ? |
| 13:41.44 | ToApolytoXaos | james0r2, since i have purchased a motherboard that comes with intel chipset, i have found my peace. nvidia was driving crazy for ages with its drivers |
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| 13:45.11 | james0r2 | yeah seeing others moaning about their graphics driver issues makes me feel lucky my setup was so easy. but i don't get much performances from the onboard graphics |
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| 13:47.49 | Beluki | james0r2: about the nvidia, are you going to use it for gaming? |
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| 13:49.53 | james0r2 | Beluki, only OpenArena :) |
| 13:50.30 | james0r2 | I have a celeron processor in this machine and when i play the nicer bluray stuff i get some flickering. thinking maybe it'll help that too |
| 13:50.59 | Beluki | james0r2: if you only care about relatively-old games (that is, you don't need Crysis-like performance) I would recommend an old nvidia card, such as 8600GT or 9600GT + the nouveau driver. |
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| 13:51.23 | Beluki | It just works, out of the box and the performance is more than enough for say OpenArena, Quake, etc |
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| 13:51.42 | james0r2 | Beluki, arethose models still sold? or only second hand? |
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| 13:51.57 | james0r2 | i'm in Vietnam and i don't have a lot of access to second hand stuff |
| 13:52.34 | Beluki | james0r2: dunno. Mine died two months ago. :( |
| 13:52.45 | DammitJim | I have an interesting situation and I don't know if I have missed something in my server configuration |
| 13:53.04 | DammitJim | I have code that authenticates a user against a Windows domain to connect to a samba share on a windows machine |
| 13:53.38 | DammitJim | I was doing maintenance on the Domain Controller and even though I have a secondary DC, when I rebooted the PDC Emulator, the code threw an exception saying there was a bad username/password |
| 13:53.53 | DammitJim | is there something I need to set up on the linux server to tell it to go to the other DC? |
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| 13:58.35 | maxorator | how can I find which debian version has a specific library version in its repository? |
| 13:58.56 | maxorator | basically, I want to find the latest debian version that still has glibc 2.4 |
| 13:59.21 | mtn | http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:59.37 | klrr | okey, i just understood that ubuntu patches cario and freetype to get nice font rendering, so i looked around how to get better rendering in debian and stumbled across this customization: https://gist.github.com/klrr/b4fcd7eb43eef083d243 , i barely see any effect though, so is it just that it doesnt change much or is it that the config is placed somewhere else? |
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| 14:00.51 | maxorator | mtn, for glibc it only finds doc packages, and even for those only pretty recent versions (when I select "any" under distributions) |
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| 14:05.13 | mtn | maxorator: I guess you didn't try google, either? google: debian glibc 2.4 |
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| 14:07.01 | maxorator | mtn, I don't want to google for a while every time I need info for a packge, so I was wondering if there was some easy way to check this |
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| 14:07.38 | themill | maxorator: what are you really trying to do here? (other than re-implement apt) |
| 14:07.44 | mtn | maxorator: ok, but those two sound easy to me ;) |
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| 14:09.25 | maxorator | themill, when I know a package name (or a part of it) of a version that is no longer in the repositories of the latest stable, I want to find the highest version that still has that package in its repositories |
| 14:10.21 | maxorator | I could do it with apt if I changed the sources list to an older version, apt update, search, if fail, change sources list to an even older version, apt update, search, rinse and repeat |
| 14:10.21 | themill | except that's a different question to what you asked before |
| 14:10.25 | maxorator | not a very simple way |
| 14:10.44 | themill | (and doesn't explain why you'd want that information) |
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| 14:10.50 | maxorator | the only difference is that earlier I didn't specifically say "latest" |
| 14:11.28 | themill | libc6 is in all debian releases in the last 15ish years. You don't need to search for a "latest" release that still has that package. |
| 14:11.31 | maxorator | because of backwards compatibility, I need to make a build VM that has every library at the lowest version that we support in our binaries |
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| 14:11.52 | cnnx | how can I disable X from starting at boot |
| 14:11.57 | cnnx | i want just the console login: prompt |
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| 14:12.06 | maxorator | themill, I said glibc-2.4, not libc6 |
| 14:12.28 | Brigo | cnnx, you can remove the display manager |
| 14:12.43 | cnnx | Brigo: do I remove that from the run levels? |
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| 14:12.47 | cnnx | im used to gentoo with rc-update |
| 14:12.59 | themill | maxorator: there is no glibc-2.4 package anywhere in debian and never has been. There was a glibc source package once upon a time. |
| 14:13.04 | themill | dpkg: tell cnnx about nodm |
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| 14:13.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell cnnx -about disable service |
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| 14:13.39 | converge | does someone knows why is it happening with the pvcreate command ? http://cl.ly/image/363c181J3l0a |
| 14:13.49 | _mel_ | i have a nfs question. does the nfs client use memory buffers for caching or only the nfs server? |
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| 14:14.51 | maxorator | themill, well, I don't know the package name, but the objective is that when I do "objdump" on my compiled binary, it wouldn't refer to anything newer than glibc-2.4 |
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| 14:15.49 | themill | Are you really aiming for compatibility with 7 year old releases? |
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| 14:17.03 | themill | maxorator: you could try grabbing the packages directly from snapshot.debian.org but you're going to have a hell of a time getting a consistent set of packages installed from there if you want to pick and choose versions. |
| 14:17.04 | maxorator | themill, we have customers for whom the thing blows up for this reason, so yes, I do |
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| 14:17.34 | themill | You'd be better off replicating their system than trying to cobble together some approximation to it. |
| 14:17.56 | maxorator | themill, really my questions boils down to whether I should make a debian 4 or debian 5 VM for this |
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| 14:19.10 | Arr0way | anyone in here installed grub onto a HP server - /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
| 14:19.13 | Arr0way | ? |
| 14:19.16 | maxorator | themill, it's unfeasible for us to manually build a special version for every client |
| 14:19.20 | Arr0way | failing to boot for me all the time. |
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| 14:19.32 | Arr0way | when i do mbr install. |
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| 14:20.01 | EvilDMP | what architecture is an Intel Atom-based Eee PC? |
| 14:20.03 | themill | maxorator: I think you'll find that no debian release shipped with glibc 2.4, actually. |
| 14:20.05 | bhuddah | Arr0way: i'm running this here on an hp server. |
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| 14:20.09 | EvilDMP | is it i386? |
| 14:20.43 | Arr0way | bhuddah: how did you install grub |
| 14:20.47 | houn | EvilDMP: Which atom? |
| 14:21.00 | houn | I think they're all 86x64 |
| 14:21.06 | houn | Mine is, at least. |
| 14:21.08 | EvilDMP | houn: CPUN20, 1.6GHz |
| 14:21.24 | bhuddah | Arr0way: i think i put in a cd and did a normal install. i don't remember problems. |
| 14:21.38 | bhuddah | now.. i installed via iLO. i don't have a cd drive. |
| 14:21.39 | Arr0way | bhuddah: damn - i cant get it to boot |
| 14:21.51 | EvilDMP | houn: so which of theones listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ would it be? |
| 14:22.02 | themill | maxorator: (4.0 etch had 2.3.6; 5.0 lenny had 2.7 -- do you really statically link everything in this binary?) |
| 14:22.08 | Arr0way | windows was booting on it before ok. |
| 14:22.10 | bhuddah | did you try the netinstall cd with the nonfree firmware? maybe that works... Arr0way |
| 14:22.51 | bhuddah | Arr0way: what type of server is it? |
| 14:23.03 | Brigo | converge, may be the filter in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf |
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| 14:23.20 | Arr0way | HP Proliant D630 |
| 14:23.33 | maxorator | themill, I guess older is fine too in my case, so I could take etch then |
| 14:23.34 | houn | EvilDMP: I don't know an Atom n20 |
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| 14:23.58 | houn | But 1.6GHz means it's probably a pineview or diamondville, which is 64-bit |
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| 14:24.07 | bhuddah | Arr0way: i don't recognize that name... |
| 14:24.47 | EvilDMP | houn: darn, I mistyped: N270 |
| 14:24.54 | themill | maxorator: and every other library you will link against has API and soname stability since then? |
| 14:25.02 | klrr | what file do you configure font rendering? what is its location+ |
| 14:25.41 | houn | EvilDMP: Oh, ok, the 270 is a Diamondville single core, does not support x64 |
| 14:25.45 | houn | You want i386 |
| 14:25.57 | houn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors |
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| 14:26.05 | EvilDMP | thanks houn |
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| 14:26.31 | houn | No problem. |
| 14:26.48 | houn | I'm running chat on my atom n450 netbook ;-) |
| 14:27.11 | converge | Brigo: do u know what filter can I use to accepet /dev/sda3 ? |
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| 14:28.00 | Brigo | converge, what filter are you using? |
| 14:28.18 | converge | filter = [ "a/.*/" ] # By default we accept every block device: |
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| 14:29.24 | maxorator | themill, every library we use is a part of libc really |
| 14:30.02 | Brigo | converge, are you sure there are no uncoment lines under? |
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| 14:31.11 | converge | Brigo: yes.. |
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| 14:32.24 | waqstar | Which desktop environment do you think is the fastest for a small netbook with an atom processor, I have gnome on it but its very sluggish with that |
| 14:32.24 | Brigo | so the problem should not be the filter ... :-m, and i dont know what the problem are, sorry. |
| 14:32.42 | ksuhku | waqstar, lxde |
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| 14:33.32 | houn | waqstar: I've had luck with XFCE, but if you want REALLY lightweight, don't go "desktop", go "window manager". Openbox is good. |
| 14:33.46 | houn | Or one of the tiling, like Awesome or dwm. |
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| 14:34.02 | houn | (I suddenly realized I have no idea if these are in debian) |
| 14:34.48 | houn | These are all in debian. |
| 14:34.50 | waqstar | kl, its for my younger brother, hes 10 so need the usual tools (browser, file manager) |
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| 14:35.09 | houn | Then yeah, try XFCE or LXDE |
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| 14:36.31 | waqstar | houn, whats the difference between window manager and DE? ive never used a gui myself ::/ |
| 14:37.03 | houn | Window Manager manages windows. |
| 14:37.04 | klrr | waqstar: DE is usually a complete GUI environment , while a window manager is simply a program managing your windows in X |
| 14:37.22 | houn | ...klrr is faster than I, and completely correct! |
| 14:38.03 | waqstar | thanks :) |
| 14:38.56 | waqstar | ill put either xfce or lxde. Depending on which he likes the look of lol |
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| 14:44.34 | cnnx | how can I have debian use my laptops full screen in console mode? right now its using big fonts, i want higher resolution |
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| 14:44.45 | cnnx | do I need to recompile the kernel with the right FB module? |
| 14:45.40 | bhuddah | cnnx: have you read https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting ? |
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| 14:46.48 | cnnx | bhuddah: no |
| 14:46.58 | asido | how can I perform `apt-file search <some file>` on installed packages only? |
| 14:47.14 | cnnx | bhuddah: ty |
| 14:49.02 | Brigo | asido, dpkg -S |
| 14:49.10 | bhuddah | cnnx: i hope that helps. |
| 14:49.18 | cnnx | bhuddah: i have none of those video cards |
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| 14:49.24 | cnnx | bullgard4: its a 14 year old laptop |
| 14:49.32 | ksuhku | asido, and if you're going to do that often, check out dlocate |
| 14:49.33 | cnnx | bhuddah: without X on it |
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| 14:49.47 | bhuddah | cnnx: good. then you can probably try to just set a different vga mode on boot time. |
| 14:49.54 | cnnx | bhuddah: doesnt show how |
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| 14:50.32 | cnnx | you mean in grub? |
| 14:50.44 | cnnx | while it boots add vga=791 or something? |
| 14:51.06 | asido | Brigo, ksuhku: thanks |
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| 14:51.31 | Brigo | asido, np :) |
| 14:51.42 | bhuddah | cnnx: i think so. (been a while i did that last) |
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| 14:57.46 | zykotick9 | cnnx: technically, vga= lines are deprecated at this point (it might still work BTW). sidenote, are you using propritary nvidia (or perhaps ATI) drivers, if so, they typically break console resolution. |
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| 14:58.10 | cnnx | zykotick9: im not using any recent video GPU |
| 14:58.18 | cnnx | its a trident cyber 9525 chipset |
| 14:58.24 | cnnx | on a toshiba 2715xdvd |
| 14:58.33 | cnnx | using grub2 trying to figure out where to put vga= |
| 14:58.53 | bhuddah | ha! grub2... config line.. different stuff. |
| 14:59.08 | bhuddah | http://jasenux.blogspot.de/2013/06/configure-framebuffer-console-for.html |
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| 14:59.34 | bhuddah | i was trapped in the old machine -> old os loop with my brain -.- |
| 14:59.37 | zykotick9 | cnnx: i'd recommend you just test it first, using "e" at the grub line to temporarily edit it first, to confirm it works. |
| 14:59.49 | cnnx | zykotick9: i did that nothing happenned |
| 14:59.54 | cnnx | like it didnt recognize vga= parm |
| 15:00.00 | sudormrf | hi guys, can anyone help me change my login wallpaper? |
| 15:00.19 | sudormrf | I tried with dconf-editor, but it didn't work. |
| 15:00.28 | sudormrf | or I did it wrong |
| 15:00.31 | zykotick9 | cnnx: as i said, vga= is deprecated... but that's probably not the issue... with trident video, i have no idea sorry. best of luck. |
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| 15:01.56 | Brigo | sudormrf, i think you can configure it at login time in system menu configuration (or somethin like it) |
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| 15:03.06 | abailarri | Hello. I'm trying to install a SSL certificate on debian apache, but I don't hace any .key file. Only I hace the .pem, .crt, and CA files. Is necesary the .key file? |
| 15:03.43 | houn | abailarri: yes. |
| 15:03.50 | sudormrf | Brigo: I am using gnome fallback, so the option is not there :(. |
| 15:04.16 | Brigo | try in general gnome configuration |
| 15:04.35 | Brigo | or you can try to edit /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf |
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| 15:05.09 | abailarri | houn, but hen I created the .pem file to send to the CA signers, it creates only a mydomain.com.pem and mydomain.com.csr files. Any .key |
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| 15:07.15 | cnnx | the graphical part updated to the higher resolution but the console still has big fonts |
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| 15:09.45 | Brigo | cnnx, did you try dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup? |
| 15:09.55 | cnnx | Brigo: no |
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| 15:10.58 | Brigo | give it a chance :-) |
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| 15:14.35 | Blakney | I'm trying to accomplish this: http://home.avvanta.com/~rwkramer/exhdrepo.html I suspect that the content of sources.list I made is not correct. |
| 15:14.57 | Blakney | Here it is: http://pastebin.com/HRu2J4LV If I run repo.sh it does mount all the three dvds |
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| 15:15.09 | houn | abailarri: You don't send a pem file to be signed, you send a csr |
| 15:15.17 | Blakney | *repo-up.sh |
| 15:15.40 | cnnx | i guess i jsut want my console to look like systemrescue cd |
| 15:15.43 | cnnx | when it boots |
| 15:15.45 | cnnx | its really nice |
| 15:15.51 | cnnx | very native |
| 15:15.52 | Blakney | If I run apt-get install it just does not see the repo |
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| 15:15.59 | houn | abailarri: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:16.20 | sudormrf | can someone help me change my login background in gnome fallback? |
| 15:16.20 | abailarri | install a ssl certificate but I don't have .key file |
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| 15:16.32 | abailarri | only have .pem and the CA files |
| 15:17.20 | houn | Where did you get them? |
| 15:18.07 | Blakney | Does someone maybe have an idea how to change sources.list, so I can use the mounted isos as local repo? |
| 15:18.30 | abailarri | houn, what do you mean? |
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| 15:18.47 | houn | abailarri: Where did you get the pem and ca files? |
| 15:19.04 | abailarri | with this: http://systemadmin.es/2012/01/generar-un-fichero-csr-peticion-de-firmado |
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| 15:20.25 | houn | abailarri: Oh. You generated your key and encapsulated it in the pem file. |
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| 15:20.46 | abailarri | houn, it means that the key is inside pem? |
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| 15:21.31 | houn | abailarri: Yeah. Pem is a container. |
| 15:21.48 | abailarri | ok thanks |
| 15:21.50 | abailarri | I try |
| 15:22.13 | houn | abailarri: just open it up in a text editor, you'll see BEGIN PRIVATE KEY and END PRIOVATE KEY |
| 15:22.36 | Pendrag0n1 | Gentlemen, I need to bypass googling something this time. I know i could find this on my own, but I have to leave for an interview, in which I will log back into this machine and show off some work. my usb drives became disconnected. I need to figure out which /dev/sd..xxx points to which device by UUID so that I can remount them with cryptmount |
| 15:22.40 | abailarri | ok I see |
| 15:22.41 | Pendrag0n1 | I have like 2 minutes |
| 15:23.30 | module000 | Pendrag0n1: like with `blkid`? |
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| 15:23.36 | ixela | off the top of my head, I don't know. blkid? |
| 15:23.48 | ixela | look in /sys/ ? |
| 15:23.50 | Pendrag0n1 | thanks |
| 15:24.15 | Blakney | Btw repo-up.sh and repo-down-sh seem to work as after "up" and mounting the three icons appear on the desktop and after "repo-down" they disappear. |
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| 15:26.49 | ixela | Pendrag0n1: if its unmounted but still connected its easier |
| 15:27.00 | ixela | Pendrag0n1: if its unmounted, disconnected, reconnected, not as sure |
| 15:27.25 | ixela | some info may be contained in dmesg about it |
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| 15:31.40 | ksk | hey. is it possible to add nonfree firmware directly to the install media? or do i have to put it on a second usbstick? ist there a faqtoid? |
| 15:31.58 | abailarri | houn, I installed the CA certificate, but when I acces to de https domain, it return the not trusted connection |
| 15:32.02 | abailarri | I need to do anymore? |
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| 15:33.39 | houn | abailarri: Did you get it signed by a trusted authority? |
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| 15:33.51 | abailarri | yes |
| 15:33.57 | abailarri | I payed for it |
| 15:34.15 | houn | What's the site? |
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| 15:35.02 | zykotick9 | !tell ksk about firmware images |
| 15:35.25 | TJ- | abailarri: does the user agent contain the CA's root and intermediate certificates? |
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| 15:35.58 | Blakney | Hmm, it turns out it does work, only apt-get needed an update... |
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| 15:36.09 | houn | abailarri: If the site is public, can I take a look? |
| 15:36.26 | abailarri | the CA signers send me a PositiveSSL.crt and AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt |
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| 15:36.28 | zykotick9 | ksk: perhaps see <firmware installer> as well. |
| 15:36.31 | abailarri | I need to put two? |
| 15:36.49 | abailarri | sorry |
| 15:36.53 | abailarri | send me 3 fils |
| 15:36.58 | abailarri | PositiveSSL.crt and AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt |
| 15:36.59 | abailarri | and |
| 15:37.03 | abailarri | mydomain.crt |
| 15:37.24 | ksk | zykotick9: thanks! |
| 15:37.27 | abailarri | in the vhost config file I added the mydomain.crt and PositiveSSL.crt |
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| 15:37.39 | abailarri | but the AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt I not added |
| 15:37.46 | abailarri | is necessary to add? |
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| 15:39.13 | houn | abailarri: probably. I'm not sure if it's a chain or not, though. |
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| 15:39.49 | houn | Does the CA have a FAQ or hot-to? |
| 15:39.53 | houn | *how-to? |
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| 15:40.17 | Sbroker | Hi from Spain julandrones anglohablantes |
| 15:40.19 | abailarri | I searching for it |
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| 15:42.52 | TJ- | abailarri: I think this might help: https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=1209 |
| 15:43.11 | abailarri | I'm looking this |
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| 15:44.27 | TJ- | abailarri: there's a better guide, albeit showing how to install the bundle into node.js, here: http://qugstart.com/blog/node-js/install-comodo-positivessl-certificate-with-node-js/ |
| 15:44.58 | TJ- | abailarri: the key part you need is "cat PositiveSSLCA2.crt AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt > mydomain.ca-bundle" and then ensuring apache knows about that, as per the other instructions |
| 15:45.40 | abailarri | ok I try |
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| 15:54.36 | abailarri | TJ-, I followe the gide, but when I restarted apache I get this error: |
| 15:54.37 | abailarri | Restarting web server: apache2[Fri Mar 14 16:54:03 2014] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 443, the first has precedence |
| 15:54.37 | abailarri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.54 | abailarri | TJ-, solved |
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| 15:56.01 | abailarri | Now the certificate works! |
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| 16:00.16 | alucas__ | .. and alas, I've managed to find my way into the debian chatroom. All hope is lost! |
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| 16:01.20 | alucas__ | http://ft.trillian.im/9f8234a59eef6fa82401c7d6cea833ded19c27f5/6o4sHtwOklauhJOfrp7Ui6dvK7XIf.jpgAnyone have any thoughts on how to make a menu like this after you login? |
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| 16:02.35 | alucas__ | I'm making a new squid instance and would like a menu after login that would have options for people who aren't really nix savvy. |
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| 16:07.11 | luminous | hello! if you use .deb to package an app with arbitrary files in arbitrary locations, and you upgrade from one version to another, does apt remove the files that are not included in the new version, but were installed (and still unmodified) from the original? |
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| 16:12.24 | viccuad | doesn't apt just unninstall the package, leave the configs, and install it again? |
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| 16:21.15 | somiaj | luminous: it would be dpkg (not apt) that does that, but afaik as long as it is not a config file (or a directory with other files in it form other pakcages/sources) it should remove any files in the old version that are not present in the new version. |
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| 16:22.51 | luminous | somiaj: and a file is a 'config file' if it is in /etc? |
| 16:23.20 | somiaj | that is where most go, I think it is more a flag in the control package of the file. |
| 16:23.49 | Okee | Is there a way to configure the sources.list, so that stable is updated, without tying stable to wheezy? My thinking on this is that the sources.list would need to be modified, every time the distro name changes, while a source tied to stable may not. How would I do this? |
| 16:24.03 | somiaj | from the man page (though there is a warning this may not be complet enough for full understanding), if you do 'man dpkg' and then search for --install it gives a list of steps that go though |
| 16:24.06 | luminous | somiaj: ok, thanks! |
| 16:24.12 | Okee | Looks like my communication got cut off, so I will resend it. |
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| 16:24.24 | luminous | somiaj: I will dig there, yes |
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| 16:24.49 | somiaj | one is run teh prerm script of the old package, and another is backup all the old files (so they can be recovered if there is an error)..so my guess is it moves all the old files to a temp place before it unpacks the new files so stuff is removed..again config files are dealt with differently. |
| 16:25.01 | Okee | Is there a way to configure the sources.list, so that it updates stable, as opposed to the name of the stable distribution? Currently stable is called Wheezy, but I want to avoid changing the sources.list every time the name of stable changes. |
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| 16:25.16 | DoctorD90 | hello! how can i NON-interactly change layout of keybord? (if is possible) |
| 16:25.17 | somiaj | luminous: seems they do stuff in parallel. |
| 16:25.27 | viccuad | Okee: just change the name of the stable distribution to stable |
| 16:25.30 | DoctorD90 | to a predefined lang |
| 16:25.31 | viccuad | "stable" |
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| 16:25.39 | viccuad | instead of "jessie" |
| 16:25.42 | somiaj | Okee: that is a very bad idea, but yes you can use 'stable' as the codename over 'wheezy' |
| 16:25.57 | Okee | somiaj> Why is it a bad idea? |
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| 16:26.08 | viccuad | yep, why is it? |
| 16:26.15 | somiaj | Okee: upgrade from one stable to another stable are not always simple and it is always suggested you read the release notes so you don't mess up your system doing the upgrade. |
| 16:26.19 | luminous | somiaj: yea, this will be fun |
| 16:26.35 | viccuad | mmmkay, true |
| 16:26.53 | somiaj | Okee: also the current stable becomes oldstable and is fully supported for up to a year, so you don't loose anything by waiting until you have the time and are ready for an upgrade. |
| 16:27.49 | somiaj | Okee: i.e. wanting to do a simple security upgrade (which you may do regurally or in scripts) could cause huge problems the day of the release if you haven't prepared/backuped for a full upgrade from one stable to the next |
| 16:27.55 | Okee | Is there a way to add a package with a lower pin order, so that unstable is able to access packages from testing or stable? Supposedly this command was deprecated, but a number of people indicate it still works, and can be quite useful. |
| 16:28.14 | DoctorD90 | someone know how change layout of keyboard from commandline, with a non-interactive command? |
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| 16:29.30 | somiaj | Okee: You should not mix packages from one version of debian to another. This can cause lots of problems. That being said, since unstable packages are newer than stable (and always will be) this is not a pinning issue because unstable packages are always installed by default due to newer version. If you want to hold one package back as a testing (or stable) version, /msg dpkg hold |
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| 16:30.34 | Okee | somiaj> Backing up is always a good idea, but how would using stable affect my ability to update the security fixes. |
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| 16:31.16 | somiaj | Okee: the day that jessie becomes stable, when you 'apt-get upgrade' to get your security fixes, it will pull in part of jessie, which could result in a lot fo work and a broken system. |
| 16:31.55 | somiaj | that is why it is suggested you use the offical code name 'wheezy' then on the day you want to upgrade, change 'wheezy' to 'jessie' and follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. |
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| 16:35.14 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.14 | Okee | * dpkg picks seems to indicate a method of holding back the upgrade of a package, but what would be the command for upgrading the package that is held back? /msg dpkg hold doesn't appear to offer a complete solution. |
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| 16:36.44 | somiaj | Okee: why is a package being kept back? If it is being held, remove the hold, if it is being kept back because of pinning you should be very careful what you are mixing and doing. |
| 16:37.12 | somiaj | Okee: what is it you really want to do, again mixing versions of debian is a very bad idea |
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| 16:38.14 | karika200 | hi |
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| 16:38.39 | jelly | Okee: how did you hold it? |
| 16:39.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell Okee about unhold |
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| 16:41.21 | karika200 | I'm running a debian as a KVM guest. I have a 8G sized 'raw' disk with virtio-blk storage engine. When I resized the disk to 16G qemu-img did it successfully but in the guest I can see still a 8G disk... |
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| 16:41.32 | karika200 | how can i force linux to rescan the disks |
| 16:41.36 | karika200 | +? |
| 16:41.43 | petern_ | you need to repartition it |
| 16:41.53 | karika200 | yes, but in cfdisk it's still 8G |
| 16:41.55 | jelly | karika200: echo 1 > /sys/block/sdwhatever/device/rescan |
| 16:42.19 | Okee | jelly> dpkg indicates that the hold command is 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections. The unhold command takes things in the other directions, but neither command provides direction on how to update the package that is not upgraded. Although mixing distros is bad, in one case I found it recently helpful with a program that was a bit too old under wheezy. |
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| 16:42.29 | somiaj | you will probabaly have to resize the partition then resize the filesystem. |
| 16:43.00 | somiaj | Okee: if you need a newer version of software on wheezy, use a backport, if a backport is not made for you, make your own. |
| 16:43.02 | karika200 | jelly, there's no rescan :/ |
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| 16:43.33 | karika200 | somiaj, but my disks size is still 8G according to cfdisk |
| 16:43.48 | Okee | somiaj> What about reducing or increasing the pin order? Would someone be able to share with me what the command is for increasing the pin order? |
| 16:43.50 | somiaj | Okee: if you just blindy install newer software on wheezy from jessie or sid, then you have a world of hurt. |
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| 16:44.36 | Okee | somiaj> Why is a backport better than increasing the pin order? |
| 16:44.41 | somiaj | Okee: no I'm not going to give you commands that could break your system worse than you probably already did. I would uninstall/downgrade any package you installed from jessie/sid in wheezy (most likely you have upgraded libc6 and some core libaries which is why we tell people not to do this) and create a proper backport. |
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| 16:45.15 | somiaj | because you most likely have upgraded your core libaries that most packages use. Using an unstable set of core libaries can cause all sorts of bugs with your software and make your system no longer stable. |
| 16:45.26 | jelly | karika200: really? what _is_ there in ls -la /sys/block/.../device/ then? |
| 16:46.01 | jelly | Okee: once you unhold it, the normal upgrade process will work |
| 16:46.39 | petern_ | jelly, no rescan with virt-io devices it seems |
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| 16:46.57 | petern_ | At least no rescan under /sys/block/vda/device/ |
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| 16:47.09 | jelly | petern_: that seems counterproductive |
| 16:47.17 | somiaj | jelly: I think he has some pinning issue and is mixing wheezy/jessie, not sure what he is doing but it is probably more than a package is being held back. |
| 16:47.20 | karika200 | jelly, http://pastebin.com/a47gemaE |
| 16:47.48 | Okee | somiaj> Isn't a backport effectively porting a package with a higher pin order? |
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| 16:49.03 | Okee | Changing the pin order was deprecated, so I am just trying to understand the mechanics of why. Am I correct that the backport preserves the libraries from the current authorized version, while changing pin order doesn't? |
| 16:49.04 | jelly | karika200: oh, that does not look like a scsi device at all. Perhaps virtio has some other api to activate a size change, but I don't know not of it |
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| 16:49.42 | karika200 | jelly, yes, it isn't scsi... ok, thanks, i'm search for that api |
| 16:49.50 | jelly | Okee: pinning is not a good defense against screwing up a stable + testing mix |
| 16:50.33 | jelly | Okee: backports are built with libraries from stable (mostly), yes |
| 16:50.41 | Okee | jelly> How is pinning different than backports? |
| 16:51.28 | jelly | Okee: pinning changes what apt considers as installable candidate. Backports are packages that are actually built for a specific release. |
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| 16:51.30 | petern_ | backport packages are *designed* for that |
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| 16:52.14 | jelly | Okee: pinning doesn't change packages. They still come from testing or whatnot, and are still as problematic to mix in with stable |
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| 16:53.22 | zykotick9 | Okee: (my opinion only) but mixing binary repos is a terrible idea... why do it? if you want testing packages, track testing for everything. if you want a stable system, use stable (and use backports and/or <SSB> for a couple of packages only!). best of luck, <frankendebian> seems like a poor choice... |
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| 16:54.11 | Okee | zykotick9> For us newbies, please explain what you mean by SSB? |
| 16:54.23 | zykotick9 | !tell Okee about ssb |
| 16:55.47 | zykotick9 | Okee: but <ssb> should only be used for an exception! like if you have 1 or 2 packages you need updated versions for, or to get 1 or 2 packages not available in stable (DOESN'T work for everything!) |
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| 16:59.23 | acu | !paste |
| 16:59.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:00.29 | Okee | I looked up SSB with dpkg, and not sure if I understand what I am seeing. Are lines starting with deb-src automatically SID? |
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| 17:01.48 | zykotick9 | Okee: no, you will by default probably see a deb-src for each repo you use. you need to add a new line with deb-src for sid. again - this really isn't an "ideal" strategy. |
| 17:01.50 | somiaj | Okee: no deb-src is the 'source code' of the packages, as opposed to the 'binary version' |
| 17:02.13 | somiaj | Okee: binary packages are already compiled and liked to very specific version of libaries (the ones in wheezy for instance) |
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| 17:02.54 | somiaj | Okee: the source code is the code that makes the binary package, so you need the deb-src line for what ever version of the package you want (all debian versions have deb-src lines) to compile the software against the libaries on your machine |
| 17:03.10 | Okee | zykotick9> I don't have SID in my sources.list file, and have gone out of my way to avoid it -- at least on this computer. My other computer is different. |
| 17:03.39 | Okee | somiaj> thanks. |
| 17:03.46 | zykotick9 | Okee: to backport yourself, you need a sid SOURCE (deb-src) line - this is not binary repo! |
| 17:04.24 | zykotick9 | !tell Okee about sns |
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| 17:06.43 | CarlFK | I am looking for a debian vagrant box. I am pretty sure I found one hosted on a debian.org domain about 5 weeks ago, but can't find it now. Anyone know of such a thing ? |
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| 17:07.23 | threexk | hello. Is there a reason to use LPR over IPP, or vice versa? |
| 17:07.52 | threexk | Both will work, I think. Not sure which to choose. |
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| 17:09.37 | centrx | threexk, Isn't CUPS the standard printing system now? |
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| 17:10.23 | threexk | I think I am using CUPS, but it supports both the IPP and LPR protocols. |
| 17:10.25 | Okee | zykotick9> Is there anything that looks like SID http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dead5205/ |
| 17:10.32 | DoctorD90 | sorry, someone know how to change keyboard layout from commandline? with a non-interactive command? |
| 17:10.34 | threexk | I'll try #CUPS |
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| 17:11.09 | jdabinett | DoctorD90: setxkbmap |
| 17:11.34 | jdabinett | what do you mean by non-interactive? |
| 17:11.42 | jdabinett | it takes arguments, if that's what you mean |
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| 17:12.24 | Blakney | Hmm, since there is PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" in the file .profile, putting filename.sh script in /home/bin does make it executable only by typing "filename"? |
| 17:12.51 | DoctorD90 | for example, to change timezone, i can run a command, and appear the list of timezone, and i have to select 1. if i add arguments,it auto set timezone. |
| 17:12.53 | zykotick9 | Okee: you need something like "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main" |
| 17:13.17 | zykotick9 | Okee: you also need backports first! |
| 17:13.24 | DoctorD90 | has setxkbmap arguments to auto set italian layout? |
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| 17:13.32 | jdabinett | DoctorD90: setxkbmap it |
| 17:13.34 | jdabinett | i presume |
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| 17:14.11 | zykotick9 | !tell Okee about debian-backports |
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| 17:15.08 | DoctorD90 | ah...easy....thx :) ...and to change os enviorement lang? |
| 17:15.09 | zykotick9 | Okee: good luck... what is it you want to update exactly? i hope it's not a low level library or something! |
| 17:15.41 | Brigo | Blakney, no, only filename, without extension |
| 17:15.42 | jdabinett | !tell DoctorD90 about locale |
| 17:16.32 | Okee | zykotick9> Ok, so backports needs to be the first thing in the sources.list |
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| 17:17.17 | abrotman | Okee: no, doesn't matter |
| 17:17.17 | zykotick9 | Okee: the order in sources.list doesn't really matter. you just need to add backports to yours. |
| 17:17.20 | Blakney | Brigo Yes, that's what I mean - I tried that (put filename.sh in /home/bin) - but somehow it does not execute by typing filename. Only after cd /home/bin and ./filename.sh |
| 17:17.41 | Okee | zykotick9> When you say backports, what exactly are you referring to? |
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| 17:18.11 | zykotick9 | Okee: see the messages from dpkg i've sent, or "/msg dpkg backports" |
| 17:18.11 | Brigo | Blakney, if the files calls filename.sh, it executes writing filename.sh. |
| 17:18.56 | Brigo | Blakney, if you want to execut it writing filename, you have to rename it to filename. (Or create a link) |
| 17:19.17 | Blakney | Brigo Trying filename.sh gives me command not found |
| 17:19.38 | zykotick9 | Blakney: ./filename.sh |
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| 17:19.50 | Brigo | Blakney, so it is not in path |
| 17:20.09 | Brigo | Blakney, env|grep PATH |
| 17:20.39 | Blakney | Brigo No, somehow it's not in the path - maybe I should check /etc/profile? |
| 17:21.04 | Brigo | if you only change the PATH in .profile you will need to exit and login again to execute .profile |
| 17:21.31 | Brigo | or export PATH yourself now with export PATH="/sbin....." |
| 17:21.32 | zykotick9 | Blakney: if you have a ~/bin directory, it's in you path by default (and a handy spot for personal scripts). sidenote you'd need to logout/backin, if it's not already created. |
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| 17:23.27 | Blakney | Brigo Ok, I see, thanks. Somehow it was just not in the path... |
| 17:23.33 | zykotick9 | Blakney: sidenote2 your file.sh needs to be marked executable as well |
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| 17:25.37 | Blakney | zykotick9 Yes, thx. It was indeed executable and working fine, I just wanted to put in the PATH, in order to be able to start it from anywhere |
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| 17:31.00 | DoctorD90 | jdabinett: sorry, to change debian user interface lang? how have i to do? |
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| 17:32.26 | centrx | DoctorD90, "user interface lang"? |
| 17:32.53 | Krampus | If I want to disable a package from being built by the autobuilder, will setting "architecture" to "none" in the control file do it? Or is there a more proper way? |
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| 17:34.10 | centrx | Krampus, Try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 17:35.05 | Krampus | centrx: k. |
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| 17:37.11 | RickyB98 | what are the ports i should open on my router to allow mails to arrive to my debian machine that has exim4 as mta? |
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| 17:37.34 | Tenkawa | RickyB98: 25 |
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| 17:38.36 | Tenkawa | I "think" thats all still however don't quote me |
| 17:38.42 | xand | yes, just tcp 25 |
| 17:38.52 | IRCMonkey | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 17:38.56 | RickyB98 | okay, thanks :-) |
| 17:38.59 | Tenkawa | xand: I wasnt sure if the submit port needed to be open |
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| 17:39.11 | Tenkawa | didnt think so though |
| 17:39.17 | xand | Tenkawa: not for other MTAs to deliver mail to you |
| 17:39.27 | Tenkawa | xand: yeah.. thats what I thought |
| 17:39.31 | IRCMonkey | funyun has left freenode (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 17:39.38 | Tenkawa | I'm a bit rusty on smtp |
| 17:39.44 | IRCMonkey | maddogie has left freenode (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 17:39.49 | DoctorD90 | yes 25.... centrx , yes, user interface language |
| 17:40.09 | IRCMonkey | I'm a bit rusty on smtp |
| 17:40.15 | centrx | DoctorD90, What do you mean by that? |
| 17:40.22 | Tenkawa | oh good grief... |
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| 17:40.30 | IRCMonkey | ctp has left freenode (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 17:40.40 | Tenkawa | please tell me that thing isnt going to continue to repear |
| 17:40.41 | littlebear | xand: wasn't it 587 nowdays? |
| 17:40.44 | RickyB98 | hi DoctorD90 :-) |
| 17:40.44 | Tenkawa | er repeat |
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| 17:41.31 | xand | littlebear: that's not end users to use |
| 17:41.33 | xand | er |
| 17:41.33 | Tenkawa | littlebear: 587 is submission port.. not smtp |
| 17:41.38 | xand | littlebear: that's for end users to use |
| 17:41.39 | Tenkawa | internalto the mta |
| 17:41.44 | xand | littlebear: to send email, rather than to receive it |
| 17:41.48 | IRCMonkey | littlebear: that's for end users to use |
| 17:42.03 | xand | someone get rid of IRCMonkey please |
| 17:42.07 | littlebear | xand: ah , thanks. I always thought they now encrypt email |
| 17:42.09 | Tenkawa | please |
| 17:42.20 | Tenkawa | littlebear: it still gets received on port 25 |
| 17:42.28 | littlebear | xand: hence the assumption 25 is for unencrypted and some other for encrypted |
| 17:42.32 | IRCMonkey | littlebear: it still gets received on port 25 |
| 17:42.45 | xand | littlebear: you can use encrypted over port 25, with STARTTLS. same for 587. |
| 17:42.56 | IRCMonkey | littlebear: you can use encrypted over port 25, with STARTTLS. same for 587. |
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| 17:43.10 | Tenkawa | let me go stop by #staff |
| 17:43.12 | Tenkawa | brb |
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| 17:43.28 | IRCMonkey | brb |
| 17:43.35 | littlebear | xand: yup, I have the unencrypted on 25, been using it for few years now but residential network is flunky at best |
| 17:43.46 | IRCMonkey | xand: yup, I have the unencrypted on 25, been using it for few years now but residential network is flunky at best |
| 17:43.47 | RickyB98 | seems like mails are not arriving... |
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| 17:43.56 | RickyB98 | neither i get a delivery failure message |
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| 17:44.06 | littlebear | RickyB98: you have to have you're ISP enable the port |
| 17:44.07 | RickyB98 | tried IP and hostname |
| 17:44.22 | DoctorD90 | centrx: i get menu in english . i would get them in my native language |
| 17:44.26 | boudiccas | what is this IRCMonkey ? copying people joining is not on! |
| 17:44.29 | littlebear | RickyB98: try sending it via local IP ie 192.x.x or 10.x.x , if it works then blame ISP |
| 17:44.32 | IRCMonkey | tried IP and hostname |
| 17:44.58 | RickyB98 | tried public ip, ofc, coz i thought that my mail provider wouldn't have a dns record for my hostname |
| 17:45.00 | ToBeFree | !ops |
| 17:45.01 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 17:45.50 | RickyB98 | correct me if i'm mistaken: |
| 17:45.52 | littlebear | RickyB98: you can add the local IP to /etc/hosts and then send email to your domain and that overrides the DNS |
| 17:46.02 | Tenkawa | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 17:46.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tenkawa complains about: $problem |
| 17:46.06 | RickyB98 | littlebear, i use a webmail |
| 17:46.09 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 17:46.15 | RickyB98 | correct me if i'm mistaken: |
| 17:46.18 | Tenkawa | dpkg: ops repeat/spambot IRCMonkey |
| 17:46.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tenkawa complains about: repeat/spambot IRCMonkey |
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| 17:46.24 | centrx | DoctorD90, https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 17:46.25 | ToBeFree | Tenkawa: !ops already does that on #antispammeta |
| 17:46.26 | ToBeFree | ^^ |
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| 17:46.39 | RickyB98 | i should open port 25 on the router and set exim4 correctly for "internet site" use |
| 17:46.43 | RickyB98 | and it should work |
| 17:46.57 | Tenkawa | ToBeFree: oh ok.. thought it still wanted a comment on the actual problem |
| 17:46.58 | RickyB98 | then send a mail to username@hostname and that should let my email arrive, right? |
| 17:47.15 | Tenkawa | RickyB98: do you have a MX record setup too? |
| 17:47.19 | RickyB98 | i use dyndns |
| 17:47.27 | Tenkawa | you still need MX |
| 17:47.29 | littlebear | RickyB98: you have to have a DNS MX record |
| 17:47.35 | RickyB98 | what's that? |
| 17:47.39 | Tenkawa | sendmail uses that MX record to get the A record |
| 17:47.41 | wols_ | RickyB98: most sites won't accept mail from you since you are in a dialup IP range |
| 17:47.42 | littlebear | RickyB98: ie, in domain registrar manager set MX to your IP |
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| 17:47.57 | wols_ | Tenkawa: a MX record is not needed. only if it differs from the A record |
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| 17:48.12 | littlebear | wols_: are you sure? |
| 17:48.18 | Tenkawa | wols_: actually by RFC standard and most setups I think that is not correct |
| 17:48.30 | RickyB98 | i don't think that's needed though... |
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| 17:49.00 | Tenkawa | if you do not have "a" mx record the record call at least by sendmail should fail |
| 17:49.24 | RickyB98 | Tenkawa, even if i sent my email to an ip address? |
| 17:49.39 | RickyB98 | such as the machine's public ip address? |
| 17:49.42 | Tenkawa | RickyB98: that requires a different send syntax |
| 17:49.43 | wols_ | RickyB98: and many provides don't allow inbound (or outbound) mail either |
| 17:49.52 | Tenkawa | agrees with wols_ on that one |
| 17:50.10 | littlebear | RickyB98: to check your email record, do this in terminal: nslookup -type=mx *YOURIP* |
| 17:50.22 | Tenkawa | umm no.. |
| 17:50.23 | RickyB98 | strange i don't get a delivery failure message though... |
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| 17:50.29 | Tenkawa | RickyB98: what do you get? |
| 17:50.32 | DoctorD90 | thanks centrx, i will look for its manpage later, thanks |
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| 17:51.03 | RickyB98 | w8.. |
| 17:51.19 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 17:51.20 | littlebear | RickyB98: wait, correction, it should be your domain name as oppose to your ip |
| 17:51.22 | RickyB98 | ** server can't find 121.170.53.151.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN |
| 17:51.25 | RickyB98 | ah lol |
| 17:51.44 | Tenkawa | unless your ISP is sneaky like mine and assigns bogus mx records for the individual ips |
| 17:51.56 | littlebear | Tenkawa: they do that? |
| 17:51.56 | RickyB98 | pastebinning it |
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| 17:52.06 | Tenkawa | littlebear: yeah... just looked mine up... |
| 17:52.18 | abrotman | did it go away? |
| 17:52.19 | Tenkawa | it actually has a real name attached to the mx record |
| 17:52.23 | abrotman | apparently so |
| 17:52.32 | RickyB98 | http://pastebin.com/tPz0MxQe |
| 17:53.13 | Tenkawa | littlebear: wow it even matches its A record.. guess they aren't being as ,mean as they couldve |
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| 17:53.53 | RickyB98 | Tenkawa, what? |
| 17:54.00 | Tenkawa | its about 60 characters long though |
| 17:54.09 | Tenkawa | RickyB98: my A/MX/etc records for my ip |
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| 17:54.20 | littlebear | RickyB98: this shows that you need to setup a MX record, I don't know if DYNDNS supports it, |
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| 17:54.46 | RickyB98 | hmm... |
| 17:55.43 | littlebear | RickyB98: if not, setup your own dns server using bind9 |
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| 17:57.02 | RickyB98 | littlebear, how can i make outlook's dns look into my own dns server? |
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| 17:57.10 | RickyB98 | i guess i js can't |
| 17:57.29 | littlebear | RickyB98: you can setup the entire thing, it just takes a bit time |
| 17:57.46 | RickyB98 | could you link me a well-done guide, please? |
| 17:57.55 | RickyB98 | DoctorD90, how's it going? ^^ |
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| 17:58.20 | littlebear | RickyB98: when you register the domain, they give you nameserver settings, change it to your IP, run DNS on your own IP, then add MX record to your own IP and you can retrieve email |
| 17:58.32 | littlebear | RickyB98: let me google to see if there is a quick setup |
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| 17:59.20 | RickyB98 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.59 | Tenkawa | cheers all .. gotta run |
| 18:00.06 | RickyB98 | cya Tenkawa :-) |
| 18:00.13 | littlebear | RickyB98: for example, when you write in terminal: whois *domain* it will says the name servers |
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| 18:00.32 | littlebear | RickyB98: the name servers = DNS |
| 18:00.50 | RickyB98 | rickyb98@dhcppc3:~$ whois rickyb98.dyndns.org |
| 18:00.50 | RickyB98 | NOT FOUND |
| 18:00.52 | RickyB98 | oh cool xD |
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| 18:01.36 | xparanoik | can anyone suggest a security audit tool like rkhunter? |
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| 18:01.54 | RickyB98 | xparanoik, rkhunter :-) |
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| 18:03.40 | mad | I just installed mailman |
| 18:03.48 | xparanoik | besides that one i guess |
| 18:03.56 | mad | Found /etc/apache/conf.d/mailman which sets mailman-specific aliases and configs. |
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| 18:04.10 | mad | These are enable for *every* vhost, right? |
| 18:04.28 | mtn | xparanoik: Wouldn't it be cool if someone came up with a way to search for information on the internet? |
| 18:04.41 | littlebear | mtn: it's called search engine |
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| 18:04.55 | mtn | littlebear: really? wow, thanks! |
| 18:05.01 | mad | I want to run mailman over lists.mydomain.com, and I configured my own vhost lists.mydomain.com - but deleting the conf.d/mailman file seems not very clean. How is this supposed to work in debian? |
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| 18:05.42 | RickyB98 | littlebear, found it? |
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| 18:06.33 | littlebear | RickyB98: http://www.petenetlive.com/KB/Article/0000567.htm |
| 18:07.04 | RickyB98 | guess this is for windows.. |
| 18:07.10 | RickyB98 | anything for debian? |
| 18:07.38 | littlebear | RickyB98: http://www.howtoforge.com/multiserver-setup-with-dedicated-web-email-dns-and-mysql-database-servers-on-debian-squeeze-with-ispconfig-3 |
| 18:07.47 | xparanoik | no shit... |
| 18:07.54 | littlebear | RickyB98: but ispconfig is overkill |
| 18:07.58 | xparanoik | i asked for a suggestion, not a list of possibilities |
| 18:08.10 | littlebear | RickyB98: try http://www.pontikis.net/blog/debian-wheezy-web-server-setup |
| 18:08.37 | littlebear | RickyB98: wait, nvm that's for web servers |
| 18:08.44 | RickyB98 | lol |
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| 18:09.12 | littlebear | RickyB98: I use to have a tutorial that I personally wrote after countless hours of frustration, but I forgot a payment and the server provider deleted my data |
| 18:09.28 | RickyB98 | looks difficult to do.. and still i don't understand this dns record concept... |
| 18:09.38 | RickyB98 | lol |
| 18:10.04 | littlebear | RickyB98: https://wiki.debian.org/DNS |
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| 18:10.44 | RickyB98 | i gotta learn that... |
| 18:10.53 | RickyB98 | xD i really don't understand how that works.. |
| 18:10.54 | RickyB98 | i mean. |
| 18:11.15 | RickyB98 | if i have my own dns records, and i use my own dns server, how can i reach strange website of which i don't have dns records? |
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| 18:11.53 | RickyB98 | other thing, if i run my own dns server, why should other dnses care about mine? :P |
| 18:12.00 | RickyB98 | there are soooo many things i wanna understand... |
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| 18:12.47 | CarlFK | RickyB98: so that you can resolve your names from anywhere on the net |
| 18:13.10 | wols_ | your dns server needs to be marked "authoritative" for your domain. and with your dyndns, you cannot run your own domain server, you probably have a dynamic IP |
| 18:13.11 | CarlFK | RickyB98: doesn't mean you want to, but if you did, that would be why. |
| 18:13.11 | RickyB98 | CarlFK, but only if i config MY dns server on pc's settings... |
| 18:13.44 | RickyB98 | yup, i do.. |
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| 18:18.25 | Ritzton | hello |
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| 18:22.04 | littlebear | RickyB98: internet needs 2 bidirectional DNS, one to look up other people's server like facebook or google, and one for your own domain |
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| 18:23.59 | littlebear | wols_: has to be authoritative? I'm using nonauthoritative and never had a problem |
| 18:25.21 | mad | Why does debian configure mailman via /etc/apache/conf.d/mailman ? It causes mailman to be active for everyone vhost |
| 18:25.37 | kung_fu_mike | Hey everyone, I am running testing and went to run dist-upgrade today. My root partition was too low on space to take kernel 3.13, so it failed in funky spot. I figured I would just go remove my 3.11 kernel, cause I don't need it anymore, but it appears that, now that 3.13 is flagged for install, I get an unmet dependancy error and can't get apt-get to remove it. I cold just manually delete the kernel and modules, but I was hoping to discover the exact a |
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| 18:27.35 | kung_fu_mike | So end goal here is I would like to have the command: |
| 18:27.36 | kung_fu_mike | apt-get remove linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 |
| 18:27.36 | kung_fu_mike | Succeed |
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| 18:30.18 | cat_pants | How do I see what packages have been pulled from testing? I'm sure there is a web page that has that info, but I can't seem to find it. Thanks! |
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| 18:30.37 | kdog | kung_fu_mike: I'd try to releive the low space before trying the rest. What other partitions do you have? |
| 18:31.45 | kung_fu_mike | kdog: /usr /home /tmp /var |
| 18:31.57 | kung_fu_mike | I don't really have a space issue per-se |
| 18:32.06 | kung_fu_mike | I could copy and link all sorts of stuff |
| 18:32.36 | kdog | kung_fu_mike: that's where I was heading |
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| 18:33.47 | kung_fu_mike | kdog: yup, totally easy. Also I could just blow away the kernel manually to free up the space too. I was more just curious about any apt-get magic to put myself back in a state where it could uninstall the kernel. |
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| 18:35.11 | kdog | kung_fu_mike: I've been right where you are and I ended up doing the linking thing. Letting apt finish everything that it needed and then, iirc, I was able to remove what I needed and put back the linked files. |
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| 18:36.53 | kung_fu_mike | kdog: right on, I will probably end up going that way in the next few mins, but might make a forum post to see if there is another way. Just trying to upgrade my apt-fu |
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| 18:37.35 | kdog | kung_fu_mike: And I thought I was being all smart with all those partitions. Now I'm back to / and /home and that's it. I've played with LVM but disk space is cheap and for me LVM isn't worth the hassle. |
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| 18:39.08 | wols_ | littlebear: if you want to use your own DNS server to be the one that resolves your domain, then yes it obviously has to be authoritative |
| 18:39.11 | kdog | kung_fu_mike: let us know what you find out. |
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| 18:44.13 | littlebear | wols_: hm. Im pretty sure mine isn't authoritative |
| 18:44.58 | littlebear | wols_: oh haha, nvm I got it |
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| 18:45.23 | littlebear | wols_: I just didn't understand the definition of authoritative and been using it |
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| 18:48.37 | jhutchins | littlebear: The concept is useful when you have one primary DNS for a domain, and there are secondary/backup servers that transfer the master lists from the authoratative server. |
| 18:49.21 | jhutchins | littlebear: When you update the serial number of a file and reload it, the authoratative server notifies subordinate servers that a new file is available. |
| 18:50.01 | jhutchins | littlebear: If you had a public DNS server for your domain, you would have a secondary one on a seperate physical network as backup. |
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| 18:51.15 | jhutchins | littlebear: If you are Microsoft, you cut corners and put them both on the same subnet. Then, when that router goes down, the entire microsoft.com domain is unreachable! |
| 18:51.55 | Alucas | kinit: Cannot find KDC for requested realm while getting initial credentials , I'm getting this and the KDC is resolvable... wtf? |
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| 18:57.16 | kaltorak | #pingall echo |
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| 19:00.32 | SURKITZ | Is there anyone here has a super understanding of installing WUFU USB adapters in Wheezy please? |
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| 19:01.45 | SURKITZ | ill even share a smoke if anyone can help? |
| 19:01.48 | SURKITZ | thanks |
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| 19:07.28 | cnodell | Is there a command that a normal user can run to see if there are any updates available? |
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| 19:08.10 | cnodell | I am not seeing anything in the man pages and a google search has not proven fruitful yet... |
| 19:08.25 | centrx | cnodell, There may be a fancy way to do it, but the simple way to do it would require that root has run apt-get update since the updates became available. |
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| 19:12.05 | cnodell | centrx: That is what I keep coming to as well. I figure there must be something though or all, after all there are gui update notifiers... |
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| 19:13.01 | centrx | cnodell, GUI notifiers might use suid |
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| 19:13.56 | centrx | cnodell, Anyway, it is feasible without privileges because an unprivileged user has access to /var/lib/dpkg/status and can download the package lists from a mirror, and compare |
| 19:14.31 | centrx | cnodell, But I don't know of a quick existing tool |
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| 19:18.11 | cnodell | centrix: thanks. I will look into what you mentioned so far! |
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| 19:34.27 | akaseki | hi |
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| 19:46.27 | alanjf | Hi. I'm trying to install build-essentials but I'm getting these errors, and I can't figure out why and I cna't find anything useful via Google. |
| 19:46.28 | alanjf | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5e586a07/ |
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| 19:47.09 | alanjf | This is on a fairly new Wheezy 7.4 system where I've been testing out different desktop environments. |
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| 19:47.17 | alanjf | I'm not sure why I can't install this. |
| 19:47.26 | centrx | alanjf, It looks like you are mixing different versions of Debian? |
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| 19:48.05 | alanjf | centrx: I don't see how? Like I said this is a rather fresh (2 day old) Wheezy install right from the offical i386 DVDs |
| 19:48.23 | centrx | alanjf, What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 19:49.32 | alanjf | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8bb63734/ |
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| 19:51.20 | centrx | alanjf, Okay, so those unstable lines means you are pulling from unstable, which is a different "release" of Debian |
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| 19:51.42 | centrx | alanjf, If you mix them, you will get a potentially unstable, semi-broken system |
| 19:52.02 | alanjf | centrx: I did setup /etc/apt/preferences though, stable as 700 and unstable as 600 |
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| 19:52.16 | alanjf | So it should not have been pulling from unstable |
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| 19:52.52 | alanjf | I only added the unstable to so I could try cinnamon (which I found freezes as soon as I click anywhere) |
| 19:53.37 | centrx | alanjf, Right, so when you installed cinnamon you probably pulled in a bunch of dependencies for it from unstable |
| 19:53.52 | centrx | alanjf, Including libc6 2.18-4 |
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| 19:53.59 | alanjf | errm |
| 19:54.06 | centrx | alanjf, So you probably effectively "upgraded" your system to unstable |
| 19:54.12 | alanjf | Anyway to revert? |
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| 19:54.29 | centrx | alanjf, Not in any safe way |
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| 19:54.55 | centrx | alanjf, Your best bet is to either track testing from now on (and fully upgrade to testing), or reinstall |
| 19:55.08 | alanjf | ok |
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| 19:57.40 | alanjf | centrx: Wait a second, I haven't rebooted the system at all, so libc 2.18 hasn't been applied yet right? Can't I just prevent it from being applied? |
| 19:57.57 | Brigo | alanjf, thanks for playing, better luck next time :) |
| 19:58.04 | alanjf | ? |
| 19:58.07 | centrx | alanjf, Upgrading in Debian does not require rebooting (except upgrading the kernel) |
| 19:58.23 | centrx | alanjf, An upgrade is immediate |
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| 19:58.56 | centrx | alanjf, You could try downgrading all the upgraded packages, but this may be time-consuming and downgrades are not supported so it is unreliable |
| 20:00.05 | alanjf | Ok, but why does it say " libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38+deb7u1) but 2.18-4 is to be installed " "to be installed", which suggestions it has not been applied yet? |
| 20:00.06 | Brigo | alanjf, reinstall is not too dificult, pick a list of installed packages with dpkg --get-selection >> file.txt, make a backup of your home dir and may be /etc and go |
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| 20:00.46 | Brigo | then you can restore any files you will need an reinstall exactly the packages you have installed . |
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| 20:01.36 | alanjf | Ok thanks. |
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| 20:20.22 | derceto | man i cant catch a break anywhere |
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| 20:20.59 | derceto | i was banned on efnets deb chan for advertising......yet.......i was idling |
| 20:21.45 | derceto | i wnt for help.......didnt even get to ask my question |
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| 20:24.24 | MrAlexandro | I installed KDE and reconfigured some package automatically that asked me wich one i wanted to use default(gdm or kdm) however now i have to startx to get to the gui, i switched back to gdm in default-dekstop-environment |
| 20:24.51 | MrAlexandro | but still the same. How can i now get kde or gnome3 to successfully start automatically |
| 20:25.36 | derceto | hmmmmm |
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| 20:25.51 | derceto | isnt it in init.rd |
| 20:26.03 | MrAlexandro | will try ;) |
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| 20:26.25 | derceto | its been a LONG time since i had to set that up manually since most distros ask during install, or you have to edit a file manually |
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| 20:26.46 | derceto | forgive me if my info is wrong |
| 20:26.59 | derceto | back then we had to login in term and use startx |
| 20:27.08 | MrAlexandro | derceto: thanks for input, your info will at least be worth trying out :) |
| 20:27.18 | derceto | i think it is init |
| 20:27.33 | derceto | my problem is ATI hdmi |
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| 20:27.53 | derceto | no sound.....video on my 40 inch looks like crap |
| 20:28.03 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: check the file /etc/X11/default-display-mananger |
| 20:28.08 | derceto | hdmi plays sound SO fast |
| 20:28.20 | derceto | thats an idea |
| 20:28.33 | derceto | they might have changed it over |
| 20:28.37 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: thanks but that is the file i have tried to configure. i use full path to the gdm or kdm |
| 20:28.58 | MrAlexandro | but none of them start up automatically anymore |
| 20:29.03 | kdog | MrAlexandro: by "reconfigure' do you mean running "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3"? |
| 20:29.09 | derceto | i remember init being very short 1 liner |
| 20:29.30 | derceto | i know there is an easier way in GUI |
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| 20:29.49 | derceto | but i was a slackware user so most of what was done was in VI |
| 20:30.05 | MrAlexandro | kdog: no it was during installation of kde however it lookied like a dpkg gui. i will try gnomes own one. thanks ;) |
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| 20:30.20 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: ls /etc/rc2.d/ do you see a link to kdm or gdm in there? |
| 20:30.27 | derceto | nobody uses icebox/blackice etc anymore? |
| 20:30.33 | MrAlexandro | kdog: Yes! i got the same question now! i am now choosing back to gnome to see if it will work |
| 20:30.40 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: do the links start with an 'S' or an 'K' |
| 20:30.52 | derceto | im a *cough* kali user.....and gnome i like |
| 20:31.01 | kdog | MrAlexandro: substitute whatever kde's manager is (kdm?) |
| 20:31.08 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: i will check for symbolic link right away |
| 20:31.24 | derceto | you guys are so much smarter at nix than i am;\ |
| 20:31.37 | derceto | i cant even solve a stupid ATI/AMD driver problem |
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| 20:31.47 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: that dpkg-reconfigure should set up all the files correctly, I was just going though the possibilities |
| 20:31.59 | derceto | been to 5 channels on diff networks and they ban me |
| 20:32.22 | derceto | explain exactly what you want to do |
| 20:32.32 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: S21gdm3 -> ../init.d/gdm3 |
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| 20:32.44 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: S21kdm -> ../init.d/kdm |
| 20:32.48 | MrAlexandro | to links |
| 20:32.53 | MrAlexandro | 2 environments |
| 20:33.00 | derceto | just.....switch GUI and have it run auto/login auto....or not login auto....matters not to me |
| 20:33.02 | MrAlexandro | both linked under rc.d |
| 20:33.08 | derceto | rc.d |
| 20:33.15 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: okay that looks good, that /etc/X11/default-display-manager should agree with the one you want to launch, I wonder if the dpkg-reconfigure script set that up correctly. |
| 20:33.25 | derceto | another file i havent touched since my college days |
| 20:33.41 | derceto | somiaj |
| 20:33.44 | kdog | wonders if you can even have both at the same time.... for mulitple consoles I guess |
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| 20:33.52 | derceto | you are bringing back knowledge i forgot thanks |
| 20:33.56 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: i will get answer in 2 secons ;) |
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| 20:34.12 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: you don't need to reboot, just after you logout of X |
| 20:34.21 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: run /etc/init.d/gdm3 start -- see if that starts gdm3 for you |
| 20:34.22 | SURKITZ | anyone here have knowledge of installing usb wireless wifi adapters? |
| 20:34.31 | derceto | how do you logout of X in a distro like kali and get back in? |
| 20:34.41 | derceto | ummmm |
| 20:34.46 | derceto | i do to a point |
| 20:34.55 | MrAlexandro | somiaj: ok nice tip! that way i can check if both start correctly |
| 20:35.05 | derceto | query me |
| 20:35.16 | somiaj | derceto: this is #debian, but my guess is like any other distro, it depends on your wm/de |
| 20:35.19 | derceto | i was just reading up on that today for like 4 hours |
| 20:35.29 | SURKITZ | maybe kill the process derceto |
| 20:35.31 | derceto | well kali is debian based so |
| 20:35.34 | SURKITZ | ok |
| 20:35.36 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: yea it will at least show you if there is errors in the start up script, may not show you why the start up script was not running at boot |
| 20:35.39 | SURKITZ | il msg you |
| 20:35.43 | derceto | every pkg etc i use is debian |
| 20:35.51 | somiaj | derceto: based on debian is still not debian, /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 20:36.04 | derceto | sometimes i can modify slack source to work some things out but |
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| 20:36.49 | derceto | dpkg is a live person? |
| 20:36.50 | dpkg | derceto: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:37.02 | derceto | be with u in a sec SUR |
| 20:37.10 | derceto | rtmf? |
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| 20:37.22 | somiaj | derceto: no a bot, that is just a factoid listing why we do not support based on debian distro's in #debian. |
| 20:37.33 | somiaj | derceto: if you are not running debian you are in the wrong channel for support. |
| 20:37.44 | derceto | guess debianbased like ubuntu you hate huh |
| 20:37.49 | derceto | crap i said the U word |
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| 20:39.02 | kdog | derceto: no, not hate. It's just that you'll get better support from a channel where people run that distro |
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| 20:39.16 | derceto | im banned from them pricks chan |
| 20:39.22 | mtn | I wonder why |
| 20:39.31 | derceto | i ask too many questions |
| 20:39.39 | derceto | i try to LEARN |
| 20:39.54 | derceto | not like they write books on kali |
| 20:40.04 | salope | which distro |
| 20:40.20 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, after my reboot my debian booted into the gui(gnome3) can i /etc/init.d/gdm stop to get out of x ? :D |
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| 20:40.28 | xand | !based on debian |
| 20:40.28 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:40.37 | xand | derceto: read that. |
| 20:40.42 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, i want to test kde |
| 20:40.50 | MrAlexandro | to verify it works properly as well |
| 20:41.03 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: I wouldn't use that to log out of X, but once you log out of X and are at the gdm login screen, hit ctrl-alt-f1 and you can stop it from the console |
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| 20:41.19 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: I do not know what that would do if you had a xsession launched from gdm running when you stop the display manager |
| 20:41.39 | MrAlexandro | :) |
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| 20:41.45 | kdog | derceto: If I were you I would learn on something other than Kali. Kali only adds tools that are way beyond basic. |
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| 20:42.02 | Martyn | Good afternoon |
| 20:42.11 | salope | Hello sir. |
| 20:42.12 | Martyn | Is there a dedicated channel for Debian developers? |
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| 20:42.37 | somiaj | Martyn: irc.oftc.net is the offical debian irc network (not freenode). On that network are tons of channels of all types for debians |
| 20:42.39 | Martyn | I have a question about using dpkg-buildpackage .. I need to deactivate a single test that's going haywire |
| 20:42.51 | Martyn | somaij : Thanks :) |
| 20:42.54 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, ok your ctrl-alt-f1 worked. i am in console now. now it is safe to /etc/intit.d/gdm stop ? |
| 20:42.58 | Martyn | What channel on that network? |
| 20:43.00 | somiaj | Martyn: I think #debian-mentors is a good channel for new package managers (if that is what you have questions for), but you may want to find a specific channel for what you want |
| 20:43.04 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: correct |
| 20:43.33 | somiaj | Martyn: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ -- list of channels on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:43.53 | Martyn | got it :) |
| 20:43.55 | Martyn | thanks again |
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| 21:09.07 | dwada | my notebook doesn't work with gpt partition table, will it work with encrypted lvm ? |
| 21:09.40 | dwada | rephrase: if i use default lvm encrypted partitioning scheme in debian install what partition table is used? |
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| 21:09.53 | Okitain | dwada: it can. Look at the manuals. |
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| 21:10.07 | Okitain | And /boot should be separate, of course. |
| 21:10.32 | Okitain | But basically as long as you can boot GRUB, it should be able to be sorted out. |
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| 21:12.40 | derceto | i need help with ATI/AMD hdmi |
| 21:12.55 | derceto | 200000 google pages are useless |
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| 21:15.04 | mtn | derceto: are you on debian now? which release? |
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| 21:28.13 | horsik | hi |
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| 21:28.53 | horsik | i installed package vim-gocomplete but any of the plugins doesn't seem to work |
| 21:29.24 | horsik | even though they're in /usr/share/vim |
| 21:29.54 | k-man | whats the gnome packages that notifies you and offers to install updates? |
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| 21:31.31 | SURKITZ | Hi All, I'm having trouble trying to install an NetGear WNDA3200 (Atheros) USB wireless WiFi adapter on Debian Raspbian Wheezy 3.10.254, can anyone help please, thanks :) |
| 21:31.54 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, i did /etc/init.d/kdm start. it starts up but i have never gotten into the gui of kde. |
| 21:32.22 | k-man | SURKITZ, what trouble are you having? |
| 21:32.51 | SURKITZ | I can get it detected but not functioning |
| 21:33.04 | SURKITZ | Ill hook up a pastebin |
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| 21:34.20 | SURKITZ | http://pastebin.com/6pcCqxLk |
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| 21:34.35 | SURKITZ | You see it detects it in lsusb |
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| 21:35.55 | k-man | do you have the atheros firmware installed? |
| 21:36.00 | SURKITZ | http://pastebin.com/X7mF9fjg |
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| 21:36.10 | k-man | SURKITZ, paste the output of dmesg also |
| 21:36.14 | SURKITZ | Thats a better link, shows you the config etc |
| 21:37.09 | SURKITZ | I think I have the Atheros FW installed, let me try and find the command to check |
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| 21:41.49 | k-man | SURKITZ, also, paste the output of this command: dpkg-query -l | grep firmware |
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| 21:43.13 | SURKITZ | ok man will do |
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| 21:43.56 | kdog | k-man: "aptitude search gnome | grep update" ;-) |
| 21:44.14 | SURKITZ | unknown option -1 gonna checkout commands |
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| 21:44.42 | SURKITZ | it was an l my bad |
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| 21:48.49 | SURKITZ | <k-man> - http://pastebin.com/gb28jXRL |
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| 21:52.14 | kdog | SURKITZ: so, you've got the atheros firmware installed, dmesg is detecting the device. Does lsmod show the module being loaded? |
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| 21:56.47 | SURKITZ | dunno lemme ceck kdog thanks for helping man |
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| 21:58.26 | kdog | SURKITZ: I just put a USB ethernet dongle on a netbook and once the module was loaded, BAM, ifup just brought the interface right up. |
| 21:59.59 | SURKITZ | <kdog> http://pastebin.com/VYpwRfaJ |
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| 22:01.52 | SURKITZ | I broke IFup thats another story, I need to fix that |
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| 22:03.32 | funyun | hi. can anyone help me configure nginx on debian for http streaming? |
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| 22:04.13 | SURKITZ | <kdog> cool, I just wish it was that easy for me man |
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| 22:26.17 | EvilDMP | I've just got Debian installed on an Asus Eee PC netbook; however there were some glitches during the process, and it boots only to a command prompt, not the desktop environment I was expecting |
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| 22:26.37 | centrx | EvilDMP, What desktop environment did you want to use? |
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| 22:26.56 | EvilDMP | centrx: I was just going to try the default |
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| 22:27.22 | centrx | EvilDMP, Try: apt-get install gdm |
| 22:27.24 | Procy0n | also, this guy is flooding the same stuff every day: < Sbroker> Hi from Spain julandrones anglohablante |
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| 22:27.34 | EvilDMP | I don't have much experience with all these Linux desktop flavours, I manage all my servers from the command line |
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| 22:27.57 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: what do you mean? When you login with kdm you end up in gnome or some other wm/de? or kdm never actually starts and gives you a login screen? |
| 22:28.01 | centrx | EvilDMP, But you would like this desktop to boot into Gnome? |
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| 22:28.27 | centrx | EvilDMP, Personally, I would recommend XFCE or LXDE, much more lightweight and fast |
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| 22:28.43 | EvilDMP | centrx: into a desktop environment yes - as for which one, I really don't mind too much |
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| 22:29.09 | EvilDMP | the more Macintosh-ish it looks and feels the better |
| 22:29.20 | EvilDMP | or rather the less like Windows XP... |
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| 22:30.00 | EvilDMP | is a puny Atom processor likely to struggle with Gnome? |
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| 22:30.21 | centrx | EvilDMP, I would think so, yes |
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| 22:31.54 | EvilDMP | centrx: I'll try XFCE and if that seems slow I will try LXDE |
| 22:32.15 | centrx | EvilDMP, Personally I use openbox with fbpanel, that is even more lightweight |
| 22:32.32 | EvilDMP | grr, I always forget that Debian doesn't provide sudo by default |
| 22:32.39 | EvilDMP | that is annoying! |
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| 22:35.20 | somiaj | EvilDMP: sudo is not an standard or higher (essential package). So it won't be included in a minimial install. I thought it was brought in by default with most de's though. |
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| 22:39.51 | karmine | hey |
| 22:40.01 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: oh wait, the method of starting kdm with '/etc/init.d/kdm start' will fail if kdm is not listed as your default display manager in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, the start up scripts check that file so they know if they should actually start the display manager ot not (This keeps multiple dms from starting) |
| 22:40.02 | karmine | ops |
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| 22:40.37 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, i noticed, but thanks :D |
| 22:41.19 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, got it working but it is not more stable than gnome. i am running around 12 vms in debian, ubuntu, windows etc. i am experimenting with the gui of the debian ones as i find debian to be the most stable vm linux distro |
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| 22:41.56 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, but after getting the gnome3 could not start message to many times i compiled grafics drivers and unity destroyed gnome3 |
| 22:42.10 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: debian also provides xfce, lxde and tons of window managers if you want a more minilistic graphical enviorment. I use fvwm myself. |
| 22:42.27 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, yes! i am about to try xfce, just read alot about it ! :D:D |
| 22:43.22 | somiaj | xfce seems to be quite popular lately. Its been years since I've heard about wms being popular, seems more and more people are prefering de's instead of building their own with a wm + extra tools |
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| 22:44.28 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, do you think i need to build vmtools for the new desktop environment(like a reinstall)? |
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| 22:44.48 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, i meant reinstall for the new dekstop envirment :D |
| 22:44.55 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: I haven't messed with vms that much, no need for me. (: |
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| 22:45.06 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: oh no, you don't have to do any reinstall of debian for a new desktop enviorment |
| 22:45.19 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: just install it, if you are worried about space, uninstall gnome/kde first |
| 22:45.48 | somiaj | debian packages can nicely live side by side, if you install xfce and have gnome installed it just takes up disk space is all |
| 22:45.49 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, gotcha, i have linux this semester but in my bachelor we are primarely using windows, so i have to use a vm environment. I meant a reinstall of just the vmware tools package not the entire os :D |
| 22:46.04 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, ok gotcha |
| 22:46.05 | karmine | fuck that |
| 22:46.06 | EvilDMP | well I don't know what got installed onto that thing, but it doesn't even seem to have its networking working! |
| 22:46.26 | karmine | when i was in college we were lucky to have 256mb HD's |
| 22:46.31 | somiaj | MrAlexandro: you shoudln't have to reinstall it, unless you need to change the current one. |
| 22:46.37 | EvilDMP | not even a ping to the router |
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| 22:47.20 | somiaj | EvilDMP: did you check the output if ip or ifconfig -a |
| 22:47.24 | somiaj | sorry just ifconfig |
| 22:47.24 | dotDeb | somiaj xfce is very customizable though |
| 22:47.55 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, i am hoping that it will greet me with minimal ui and smoooth performance :D |
| 22:48.38 | dotDeb | mralexandro it's really ugly at first but there are some awesome themes and transparency customizations that makes it look really modern |
| 22:48.48 | somiaj | dotDeb: I'm sure, but I'm to use to fvwm customizability, I haven't fond that anywhere else. (: |
| 22:48.56 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, awesome! |
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| 22:49.23 | dotDeb | mralexandro are you just installing linux or is this a distro hop? |
| 22:49.24 | EvilDMP | somiaj: did I mention that ifconfig doesn't seem to be installed either? |
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| 22:49.44 | EvilDMP | ip is there, though I don't know how to drive it |
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| 22:50.26 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, I have been using linux for webservers and web services for a long time hopping trough debian, ubuntu, slackware and opensuse |
| 22:50.36 | somiaj | EvilDMP: ifconfig I belive is a core package, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:50.46 | dotDeb | mralexandro ah, cool |
| 22:50.56 | somiaj | EvilDMP: what installer did you use for debian, and did you just install a minimial enviorment |
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| 22:51.09 | somiaj | I really need to learn ip, I mainly use ifconfig cause I know it, and it is still around (: |
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| 22:51.52 | EvilDMP | somiaj: well, that works, but no IP address from the router |
| 22:52.06 | EvilDMP | the installer had some issues |
| 22:52.26 | EvilDMP | and I think failed to install ALL THE THINGS |
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| 22:52.46 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, but it was now when we started using it this semester in school that i caught all the basics :D:D What i am trying to say is I do not have that much knowledge, but have used it for being free, well documented solutions. Now i can actually understand a little bit more. like why i do ln -s files to activate modules, why i need to configure resolc.conf etc etc :D |
| 22:52.49 | somiaj | EvilDMP: things to look for. 1) /sbin/ifocnfig -a -- do you see your card there, if not it isn't loaded. 2) lspci -- do you see your card there, can you figure out what chipset it uses. Most likely you are missing firmware and need non-free firmware to continue |
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| 22:53.26 | somiaj | EvilDMP: my guess is you need non-free firmware for your card, and since it was missing from the start you weren't able to get anything downloaded from the internet and are using a netinstall image. |
| 22:53.30 | dotDeb | mralexandro do you mean free as in gratis or free as in libre? :P |
| 22:53.33 | somiaj | EvilDMP: does that sounds about right? |
| 22:53.42 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, most deg libre!! |
| 22:53.50 | MrAlexandro | deg = alias |
| 22:53.54 | MrAlexandro | for def |
| 22:53.56 | MrAlexandro | ;) |
| 22:54.06 | dotDeb | mralexandro :) |
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| 22:54.36 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, the first session was about Creative commons, open source, git hub freedom etc etc :D |
| 22:54.40 | atari314 | Took me a month to complete this, but it's finally finished: [HOWTO] Absolute minimal debian install (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=111588), I can rest now :) |
| 22:54.54 | EvilDMP | somiaj: yes could be |
| 22:55.02 | dotDeb | mralexandro first session? not sure what you mean by that |
| 22:55.06 | somiaj | EvilDMP: do you want to try to fix this install or just start over? |
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| 22:55.20 | EvilDMP | happy to start over from scratch |
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| 22:55.41 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, i meant first lesson(class/school/instruction) in linux this semester |
| 22:55.57 | EvilDMP | however now that I have trashed the Windows XP that was on there, I will need to do it with a USB flash drive, and didn't have much luck with that |
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| 22:56.10 | dotDeb | mralexandro ahh, i see. are you in computer science? |
| 22:56.18 | somiaj | !tell EvilDMP firmware images |
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| 22:56.26 | EvilDMP | (I created the flash drive image with Mac OS X on a FAT32 partition) |
| 22:56.31 | somiaj | !tell EvilDMP about firmware images |
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| 22:56.38 | EvilDMP | those bots |
| 22:56.49 | EvilDMP | either ignoring or rebelling |
| 22:56.51 | somiaj | EvilDMP: follow that link, it gives you instructions on how to download a netinstall with non-free firmware images. |
| 22:56.52 | EvilDMP | worse than teenagers |
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| 22:57.13 | Gunman1982 | EvilDMP at least bots don't talk back |
| 22:57.19 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, that might be the term used elsewhere. here it is just defines as an bachelor in information technologies with networking as the special focus |
| 22:57.33 | somiaj | EvilDMP: provided your network card is supported but requires non-free firmware (quite common) those images should allow you to do a full netinstall and install everything from the start like you want to. |
| 22:57.39 | dotDeb | mralexandro ah IT, cool cool |
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| 22:57.42 | EvilDMP | yes |
| 22:58.09 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: Are you logged in as root? |
| 22:58.22 | EvilDMP | jhutchins: I was |
| 22:58.40 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, it is amazing, too much windows, but this semester is awesome. we have 2.5 years out of three with windows, active directory, esxi, visual studio, exhange, sharepoint etc... and just 0.5 year(one semester) with linux |
| 22:58.47 | dotDeb | somiaj if evilDMP's wireless adapter needs non-free firmware, just have him/her use a wired connection |
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| 22:58.51 | jhutchins | Ok, that should have sbin in it's path, but your install could, as you suspect, be incomplete (as opposed to merely minimal). |
| 22:59.10 | dotDeb | mralexandro ah i see |
| 22:59.16 | vook | it sounds like base.tgz didn't install completely |
| 22:59.17 | EvilDMP | dotDeb: not going to help if the ethernet hardware is also lacking a driver |
| 22:59.25 | dotDeb | evilDMP ahhhh |
| 22:59.28 | dotDeb | evilDMP hrm |
| 22:59.29 | EvilDMP | i've added myself to so=udoers anyway! |
| 22:59.38 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: You should be able to run lspci -nn and see what your network hardware is, and with the eight character IP we can ask judd what driver and firmware it needs. |
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| 23:00.19 | Gunman1982 | if its wireless it might be under lsusb instead of lspci |
| 23:00.37 | EvilDMP | it's an Atheros board, 1969:1062 |
| 23:00.40 | jhutchins | Gunman1982: Usually not if it's built in. |
| 23:00.50 | EvilDMP | that's the ethernet |
| 23:00.52 | jhutchins | ,pciid 1969:1062 |
| 23:00.54 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'atl1c' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
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| 23:01.18 | thaicares | ittttttttttttttttttttttttttttts funny I'm having a wifi isssssssssssue |
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| 23:01.44 | thaicares | and I think it is starrrrrrting to burn up cpu |
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| 23:02.18 | thaicares | which I think is the reason for the exxxxxxxcess letters |
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| 23:03.42 | thaicares | I'm thinking maybe it is a ucode issue? I saw something about that on some gentoo forums and my dmesg seams to hint at it as well http://pastebin.com/E69mvS6v |
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| 23:04.01 | EvilDMP | I am trying again, this time using unetbootin - maybe it will do a better job of creating the USB boot drive than me |
| 23:04.08 | thaicares | btw I just hit the wifi switch and the computer sped up and no excess letters either!!! |
| 23:04.27 | somiaj | EvilDMP: no, unetbootin seems to butcher debian images, and is not suggested |
| 23:04.35 | somiaj | !unetbootin |
| 23:04.36 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 23:05.01 | EvilDMP | ah |
| 23:05.13 | EvilDMP | however, I also tried doing it manually |
| 23:05.19 | thaicares | fedora image writer? |
| 23:05.24 | jhutchins | is still not convinced that the unetbootin problems aren't user error, but has no evidence either way. |
| 23:05.27 | thaicares | command line? |
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| 23:06.31 | DoctorD90 | guys, i understand that, instead to navigate trougth menu, till LANGUAGE AND REGION (or similar) to change default system language, i can use locale, but what option of it? |
| 23:06.35 | themill | jhutchins: the cd team recommended against using unetbootin because it breaks the images. |
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| 23:08.00 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, xfce doesnt show up in either dpkg-reconfigure kde or gdm3. i do not find it in the xcfe documentation, but do you know the path to put in default-desktop-envirnment(/etc/X11) or what package to reconfigure to get it booting as default? |
| 23:08.22 | EvilDMP | create a FAT5 flash drive partition, download the iso, use dd if=input_file of=output_file |
| 23:08.34 | EvilDMP | but that fails to boot the device |
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| 23:10.01 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, cant even find a link when ls -l /etc/rc2.d |
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| 23:11.40 | MrAlexandro | somiaj, hmm looks like i need to manyally install x manager (xdm) |
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| 23:13.48 | thaicares | how do I get rid of a possible ucode issue I'm having with iwlwifi |
| 23:13.50 | thaicares | ??? |
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| 23:14.14 | thaicares | here is the dmesg which leads me to believe there is a ucode issue http://pastebin.com/E69mvS6v |
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| 23:15.21 | thaicares | Debian Jessie if that helps anyone.... |
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| 23:19.00 | jhutchins | thaicares: jessie is still testing, so not working is pretty normal. |
| 23:19.41 | thaicares | jhutchins I have very few issues... and all of them have happened in stable as well as a few other non-deb distros!!! |
| 23:20.01 | thaicares | I think it is a driver issue... |
| 23:20.12 | MrAlexandro | dotDeb, did you install xcfe when installing debian (from image) or did you add it additionally? |
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| 23:20.24 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: When you apply an image to a USB drive, it overwrites the filesystem, so partitioning and formatting it is wasted. |
| 23:21.09 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: The format is dd if=whatsit.iso of=/dev/sda - not sda1 (your device may differ). |
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| 23:21.59 | jhutchins | thaicares: Which suggests hardware as opposed to software. |
| 23:22.26 | alanjf | Is there a difference between |
| 23:22.31 | alanjf | deb[-src] http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates [...] |
| 23:22.33 | alanjf | and |
| 23:22.36 | alanjf | deb[-src] http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy [...] ? |
| 23:23.35 | alanjf | The former appears to be the default in /etc/apt/sources.list on a new Wheezy (7.4 in my case) install. The latter is what I see in a lot of pasted debian sources.list on the web. |
| 23:24.08 | tremon | alanjf: you want both (and yes, there is a difference) |
| 23:24.38 | jhutchins | !wheezy sources.list |
| 23:24.39 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 23:25.32 | jhutchins | alanjf: Yeah, security gets the security updates, if there's something more urgent than a regular package it'll show up there first. |
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| 23:27.33 | jhutchins | thaicares: Does the phrase "Failed to load firmware chunk!" suggest anything to you? |
| 23:27.33 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 23:27.33 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 23:27.43 | alanjf | jhutchins: Many thanks. I wonder why that isn't the default (only the security is thereby the default along with the cdrom entry.) |
| 23:28.28 | jhutchins | alanjf: Kinda depends on how you do the install, but Debian tends to let you take care of more of the details. |
| 23:28.59 | themill | alanjf: you'd have a correctly populated sources.list if you had a network connection at install time |
| 23:29.12 | babilen | alanjf: And please don't use ftp.debian.org but a local mirror or http.debian.net which will automatically select a close one |
| 23:29.49 | alanjf | jhutchins: I just did the normal "graphical" install option, it never asked me how I wanted to setup apt or anything like that. |
| 23:30.17 | alanjf | jhutchins: and might I ask what is wrong with ftp.debian.org ? |
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| 23:31.11 | jhutchins | alanjf: I think that address does not get automatic geoip-based distribution, so it all hits the one server, tending to make it slow for everybody. |
| 23:31.50 | alanjf | Ah, figured that might be it. Not sure why they didn't do that for ftp like they did for http, as it's done in DNS isn't it? |
| 23:31.59 | jhutchins | alanjf: Note that dpkg's list uses the http.debian address which does get distributed. |
| 23:32.16 | jhutchins | alanjf: Notice that it's part of the server name, not protocol. |
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| 23:32.40 | alanjf | I'll use http (actually I've set my sources.list exactly as you suggested. Thanks.) |
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| 23:33.13 | alanjf | jhutchins: That was my point, ftp.debian.org and http.debian.org are just dns records. |
| 23:33.20 | EvilDMP | jhutchins: just trying dd if=/Users/daniele/Desktop/debian-live-7.4-i386-standard.iso of=/dev/disk3 instead of disk3s1 |
| 23:33.36 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: That's the right way! |
| 23:33.45 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: Good luck! |
| 23:33.46 | alanjf | EvilDMP: Are you making a bootable USB drive by any chance? |
| 23:33.53 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: Did you check the md5sum of the iso? |
| 23:34.06 | EvilDMP | alanjf: trying to |
| 23:34.13 | EvilDMP | jhutchins: no |
| 23:34.17 | themill | jhutchins: http.d.n is doing it at the protocol level, not at the dns leve. |
| 23:34.23 | alanjf | I'd like to do this with the 3 install DVDs |
| 23:34.42 | themill | alanjf: note that it's http.debian.NET not .ORG |
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| 23:34.49 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: Usually worth while. It'll only be wrong if you don't check it first. |
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| 23:35.10 | alanjf | themill: Ah, you're right (I think I glanced at security.debian.org, which IS .org for some reason) |
| 23:35.19 | jhutchins | alanjf: Start with just the first image and see if that doesn't get you the full system. |
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| 23:36.46 | jhutchins | EvilDMP: Just out of curiosity, when you're done with the dd, do an md5sum on the device. Reports vary as to whether that matches like the discs do if the drive is a different size. |
| 23:36.57 | EvilDMP | will do |
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| 23:37.20 | jhutchins | I need to test that, but my wife is on a trip and has forgotten where she put the spare flash drives. |
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| 23:38.36 | themill | !check iso image |
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| 23:39.03 | thaicares | jhutchins failed to load firmware chunk does suggest that something didn't load... however I am not familiar enough to know where the issue begins... |
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| 23:39.48 | jhutchins | thaicares: Did you see what dpkg posted about firmware at :27? |
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| 23:40.12 | thaicares | I guess I have some reading to do :D |
| 23:40.22 | jhutchins | thaicares: It's not that bad. |
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| 23:40.47 | jhutchins | thaicares: It's just that dpkg always gets the details right, and I don't. |
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| 23:41.21 | thaicares | jhutchins ok I will trust you |
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| 23:45.26 | NaturalMess | how do i install KDE for debian? |
| 23:45.42 | dvs | !install kde |
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| 23:48.57 | thaicares | jhutchins your help has been awesome but dpkg wasn't successful |
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| 23:49.32 | thaicares | I followed some links but I'm assuming I followed the wrong ones because I couldn't find any helpful information |
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| 23:53.54 | EvilDMP | jhutchins: how long does it take to calculate an md5? |
| 23:54.12 | EvilDMP | ah, not so long |
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