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| 00:37.28 | somiaj | you can also check dmesg and everything to make sure all the usb devices are correctly detected and getting assigned |
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| 00:37.29 | somiaj | unless the file system was changed (formattted/deleted) teh uuids will not change |
| 00:37.29 | Pendrag0n | true that |
| 00:37.29 | Pendrag0n | let me tail the dmesg in another window as well |
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| 00:37.29 | somiaj | lsusb |
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| 00:37.29 | somiaj | well at boot it may be more near the top, unless you are plugging/unplugging so you can see if there is an error loading the device |
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| 00:44.10 | Pendrag0n | about to, bb in 2 |
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| 00:44.58 | Pendrag0n | not good, pre unplug, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 14 11:16 a5488e90-8a09-4f05-822e-3ccaf0d09b71 -> ../../sdb1 was there, after I unplugged them both, that isn't there, oddly, that isn't the UUID from /etc/fstab for the mounting of either of them before the reboot...... |
| 00:45.03 | Pendrag0n | okay, this doesn't make sense. I pugged one back in. I don't show any difference from when it was all unplugged, not in "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" not in "blkid" and not in "lsusb" as if it were not just plugged in, yet no messages in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 00:47.08 | somiaj | dmesg will show logs if it is plugged in |
| 00:47.20 | somiaj | it could be the usb port is bad, try another. Could be the usb wire is bad |
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| 00:48.31 | somiaj | but I think you found your bad device, now figure out what is bad about it (: |
| 00:48.43 | Pendrag0n | Okay, when I plugged the silver one in I see it now, I know that it's new assignment is /dev/sdc1 and it's UUID is a5488e90-8a09-4f05-822e-3ccaf0d09b71 oddly enough, prior to reboot, it's UUID was 7210defa-bfbd-4c27-bbbf-b68ab48213a8 |
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| 00:49.33 | Pendrag0n | when I plugged the black one in, it was not recognized, and worse, there are no messages in /var/log/dmesg I would think that the wire is broken and it doesn't even know it was plugged in, but the light is on on the HD, so I know it is plugged in.... |
| 00:49.57 | somiaj | what is 'it's', /dev/sdc1, if so yes that is why we suggest using uuids, they are a property of the file system not what the os calls the device |
| 00:50.00 | Pendrag0n | so one, something funky is up with the silver one, the UUID has changed, and 2, the black one is not reconized at all.... any ideas? |
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| 00:50.44 | Pendrag0n | (root@pluto)-(/data)-(08:46 PM Fri Mar 14)-> |
| 00:50.44 | Pendrag0n | (5 files, 28Kb)--> blkid |
| 00:50.44 | Pendrag0n | /dev/sdc1: UUID="a5488e90-8a09-4f05-822e-3ccaf0d09b71" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" |
| 00:50.56 | Pendrag0n | That is the silver one |
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| 00:51.09 | bilgepump2 | I'm not sure how to phrase this in google... but the Activities->Applications list truncates text too early and I can't read any of the program names. How do I adjust this limit or change the list format? |
| 00:51.26 | somiaj | Unless you did something with the file system, (like remake it, force the uuid to change), the uuid did not chage. As to why your device is not working, maybe the hd just went bad. They do that and the chipsets on the usb drive cannot get info from the disk and just gets locked and never reports itself. |
| 00:51.30 | james0r2 | can't figure out why synaptic won't play nicely with my gtk theme. http://imagebin.org/299405 |
| 00:51.43 | Pendrag0n | I am going to try to unplug the black one in, re run the command to make sure it is the black one that is sdc1, and not the silver, once I am sure, I have the new UUID for silver nailed down. Next I have to figure out what happened to the black one, why it isn't reconized. |
| 00:51.48 | somiaj | bilgepump2: what desktop enviorment/window manager |
| 00:51.51 | james0r2 | got all the engines installed, copied themes to root dir andall |
| 00:51.52 | Pendrag0n | we did update the kernel |
| 00:52.33 | somiaj | Pendrag0n: the name /dev/sdc will change, they just assign them in order, if you unplug /dev/sdc, then the next drive you plug in that gets detected will be assigned that device node, despite which one it is |
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| 00:52.43 | Pendrag0n | somiaj, the devices are brand new. |
| 00:53.12 | somiaj | if you plug in the device and you get dmesg dosn't tell you anything about it, something is wrong with hardware. |
| 00:53.58 | somiaj | james0r2: it isn't a gtk2 vs gtk3 issue or something like that with your theme? |
| 00:54.49 | somiaj | james0r2: though I woudl suggest if synamptic is the only 'bad window', just use aptitude instead |
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| 02:33.13 | initself | anyone know how to get rid of this file at the command line? |
| 02:33.14 | initself | -rw-r--r-- 1 mike users 1191 Mar 14 19:21 ?<F12> |
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| 02:33.59 | centrx | initself, Use backslashes and tab-completion ? |
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| 02:54.07 | alanjf | somiaj: I found that setting the res in /etc/default/grub |
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| 02:54.39 | alanjf | somiaj: I found that setting the res in /etc/default/grub ( GRUB_GFXMODE=... and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=...) does the trick. |
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| 02:56.03 | alanjf | somiaj: So the resolution is the same at boot time right from the get go when the grub menu loads and gdm appears to use that. |
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| 03:09.48 | vhadil_ | How to change password, please don't use rescue cd |
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| 03:10.12 | vhadil_ | I use Debian 7 |
| 03:11.11 | centrx | vhadil_, passwd |
| 03:11.44 | vhadil_ | I can't login :D, forget |
| 03:13.48 | centrx | vhadil_, You forget the root password and no user account on the system has sudo access? |
| 03:14.08 | vhadil_ | Exactly |
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| 03:15.33 | centrx | vhadil_, Then you need to boot from external media |
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| 03:19.12 | themill | or edit the bootloader |
| 03:19.16 | themill | dpkg: tell vhadil_ about ifrp |
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| 03:23.38 | vhadil_ | I use this http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/root.htm |
| 03:23.59 | vhadil_ | But lilo, and I use grub |
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| 03:28.03 | vhadil_ | themill: thanks |
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| 03:44.22 | gnutun | hello, i'm getting "err" lines when i apt-get update ... is there a log file i can look in to get more info on the cause of the error? |
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| 03:45.28 | centrx | gnutun, /var/log/apt/, but usually it provides the necessary info on the terminal |
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| 03:46.29 | towski_ | when a deb fails to install due to dependencies |
| 03:46.37 | towski_ | how do I revert that |
| 03:47.03 | gnutun | centrx, i'm setting up a private repo that it's failing on, so it's my fault, but there's no message (just a blank line) after each error; it actually errors three times on the same file, and on the fourth try it succeeds |
| 03:47.07 | centrx | towski_, It should fail before anything was installed |
| 03:48.30 | towski_ | centrx: it output dependency problems prevent configuration |
| 03:48.36 | towski_ | and dpkg --list shows the new version |
| 03:48.56 | centrx | towski_, Can you use paste.debian.net to show the message? |
| 03:49.48 | towski_ | centrx: here is the apt-get output: http://paste.debian.net/87750/ |
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| 03:50.03 | centrx | gnutun, If this is actually a dpkg error, you can use dpkg's powerful debug options to show more information |
| 03:50.04 | towski_ | I did an apt-get update to try and install a newer version of libtasn1-3 |
| 03:50.33 | towski_ | when I try and do sudo apt-get -f install to uninstall the package |
| 03:50.41 | themill | towski_: which release of debian is this? |
| 03:51.13 | towski_ | jessie |
| 03:51.21 | towski_ | it tries to remove a bunch of stuff like gdm3 |
| 03:51.34 | towski_ | whenever something seems to go wrong it always tries to remove gdm3 plus other packages |
| 03:51.34 | themill | towski_: libimobiledevice4 in jessie doesn't have that dependency |
| 03:51.55 | towski_ | themill: I tried to install an outside .deb |
| 03:52.08 | themill | "don't do that then" |
| 03:52.54 | towski_ | heh :) |
| 03:53.02 | towski_ | yeah I know |
| 03:53.20 | themill | you probably need to dpkg -r libimobiledevice4; apt-get -f install libimobiledevice4 |
| 03:53.34 | towski_ | cool let me try that |
| 03:54.33 | gnutun | centrx, i think its apt (rather than dpkg) ... the apt-get update output is here: http://paste.debian.net/87751/ |
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| 03:54.51 | gnutun | (forgive me for asking #debian for apt help for an ubuntu machine) |
| 03:55.12 | fog | when i'm viewing files in thunar or xfe etc, sorting by date modified seems to actually sort by date created... |
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| 03:56.23 | towski_ | it's amazing how all those apt-get suggestions just disappear |
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| 03:56.43 | towski_ | it's scary when it's like I want to remove 100 package and install 300 |
| 03:57.26 | towski_ | i am always tempted to say OK |
| 04:00.04 | gnutun | centrx, ah, figured it out, apt looks for compressed index files in the order: bz2 xz lzma gz, and i only had gz populated |
| 04:00.16 | gnutun | btw apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update is a godsend for debugging |
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| 04:10.31 | towski_ | instead of libtasn1-3, jessie has libtasn1-3-bin and libtasn1-3-dev |
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| 04:10.46 | towski_ | but my system still had libtasn1-3, maybe because I upgraded from stable |
| 04:11.04 | towski_ | not sure why I'm asking, I'll just try and remove them anyway |
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| 04:13.03 | scottj | Are there any ready built systems that people recommend for managing the configuration on their personal development machine? like if I edit /etc/environment or /etc/security/limits.conf or install an apt package, how should I record that so when I reinstall I can replay those actions? Should I create those files in a git repo and write some rake script that installs them, or is there something really nice already built for this? |
| 04:13.07 | towski_ | hm it seems like a lot of packages are still dependent on that package |
| 04:13.14 | towski_ | even though it's not in jessie anymore hm |
| 04:13.38 | scottj | ops, kickban wakus-on, its a spam bot |
| 04:13.41 | themill | towski_: the sover in the library package will be updated each time the library changes its API in certain ways; look at the dependencies of libimobiledevice4 in jessie and you'll see the current sover |
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| 04:15.25 | themill | removes hat before fatfingering any other modes |
| 04:15.33 | themill | thanks, scottj |
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| 04:17.27 | themill | scottj: etckeeper is handy for recording what and why you have changed things; that's not quite the same though. |
| 04:17.32 | Extensa5630 | what happened |
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| 05:10.49 | Pendrag0n | other than using up arrow to search through bash history, I've seen friends in front of their terminals type something in, to allow them to search quickly through their history for a specific command. Pretend I've typed in grep ten times throughout the day. |
| 05:11.42 | Pendrag0n | it would be a way of quickly cycling through those grep commands to find the one you used before that you wanted to use again. |
| 05:11.47 | Pendrag0n | does anyone here know that shortcut? |
| 05:13.08 | bo` | something to do with tab ... id like to know this too |
| 05:13.12 | littlebe1r | Pendrag0n: history 25 |
| 05:14.46 | bo` | you'd type grep then press tab to cycle through all the grep's you've done recently |
| 05:15.02 | bo` | i read about this but idk how to do it |
| 05:16.42 | littlebe1r | i personally use history and then use !388 to repeat that command |
| 05:17.09 | littlebe1r | replace 388 with the number |
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| 05:18.15 | potatoceleron | history | grep string-to-look-for |
| 05:18.52 | potatoceleron | Pendrag0n: you can also ctrl-r to search that way |
| 05:20.59 | bo` | potatoceleron: thanks. cntrl r is what i was thinking of. |
| 05:21.48 | potatoceleron | :) |
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| 05:51.24 | Arafangion | So... In the "personal cloud space", is ownCloud the only real winner? (Just asking if there are alternatives that can be recommended) |
| 05:51.43 | Arafangion | I'd like to sync my files more-or-less automatically between my various computers and devices. |
| 05:52.38 | potatoceleron | you couldn't setup rsync to do that? |
| 05:53.07 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: I would if i could. :/ |
| 05:53.32 | Arafangion | (Doesn't seem simple on android, for instance) |
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| 05:53.48 | potatoceleron | i'm not well versed in rsync, but if i have to set something up by reading documentation, i prefer to work with basic commands vs giant suites |
| 05:54.20 | potatoceleron | yeah, i'm pretty disappointed with trying to get android to play nicely with real computers |
| 05:54.24 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: Likewise, but I don't know of a good rsync client for android. Plus, rsync is one-way. |
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| 05:54.28 | potatoceleron | it's not worth the bother for me |
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| 05:55.02 | potatoceleron | yeah, i think there's an owncloud client for android, isn't there? |
| 05:55.09 | potatoceleron | which you probably know-- i'm asking |
| 05:55.10 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: I would like a unison port with a nice UI, though, but I haven't found one. Thus, I'm considering the various 'personal cloud' offerings. bittorrent sync, but apparently that has adds, owncloud, etcetera. |
| 05:55.27 | Arafangion | Yeah, there is. Not sure if I have to buy the client, but if it's $1 or something, it would be worht it. |
| 05:55.29 | potatoceleron | ads suck for sure |
| 05:55.50 | potatoceleron | i think owncloud is free software, i'd be surprised if the client cost anything |
| 05:56.08 | Arafangion | Considered dropbox, even, but I'm trying to move my files to places where I own them - don't like to give everything I have to corporations. |
| 05:56.20 | Arafangion | Well, developing for apple devices is not free. |
| 05:56.33 | potatoceleron | apple or android? |
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| 05:56.41 | Arafangion | I have android, my fiance has apple. :) |
| 05:57.08 | potatoceleron | nonetheless, i believe owncloud is free software. i'd be surprised if they started charging for any client on any platform |
| 05:57.29 | potatoceleron | even if no donations means they'd have to stop supporting ios. |
| 05:57.53 | Arafangion | ios is an expensive platform to support for free. |
| 05:58.08 | potatoceleron | they'd need a kickstarter or something. |
| 05:58.30 | Arafangion | Doesn't seem right. |
| 05:58.59 | potatoceleron | they use agpl3... |
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| 05:59.32 | Arafangion | Anyway, it's $0.99 on the ios, which is very reasonable. You'd need 100 users just to break even, without even considering equipment costs, data costs, or dev or business overheads. |
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| 06:00.26 | potatoceleron | yeah i just found it on the app store. |
| 06:00.34 | potatoceleron | surprising. |
| 06:01.08 | Arafangion | I see owncloud is free for the F-Droid app store on the android, which is a very comparable cost. :) |
| 06:01.24 | potatoceleron | this is where the confusion started |
| 06:01.25 | Arafangion | (I don't think there is a cost in putting apps on the F-Droid store) |
| 06:01.41 | Arafangion | Yeah? |
| 06:01.44 | scottj | Arafangion: isn't it just $99 per developer, not per app? presumably the developer pays that for some other app they develop, so it's free for owncloud. |
| 06:02.08 | potatoceleron | scottj: 99 cents |
| 06:02.25 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: No, scottj is right, it's a per-dev charge, per year. |
| 06:02.46 | potatoceleron | weird. it said $0.99 on the app store page |
| 06:02.54 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: For *users*. |
| 06:02.57 | scottj | potatoceleron: this was in reference to breaking even. |
| 06:02.58 | potatoceleron | right |
| 06:03.04 | potatoceleron | gotcha now |
| 06:03.34 | scottj | Arafangion: I was going to recommend unison, but yeah, it's not automatic nor is it apparently supported on android. |
| 06:03.55 | Arafangion | scottj: Unison support on the ipad is bound to be even worse. :/ |
| 06:04.45 | Arafangion | I'm settig up ownCloud, seems to be a bit "heavy" for what I want, though. Meh. |
| 06:05.34 | Arafangion | At least, once jessie finally updates... |
| 06:06.52 | Arafangion | scottj: I do consider ios to be a particularly expensive platform to enter, though. |
| 06:07.06 | Arafangion | It's not like you can just grab a compiler and dev for it. |
| 06:07.35 | potatoceleron | closed egosystems |
| 06:07.43 | scottj | Arafangion: well, like I said the person who develops the owncloud client might very well do iOS for their job so their employer bought them a macbook pro and a dev license. |
| 06:08.31 | potatoceleron | in the future you'll be able to get a license to turn your macbook on |
| 06:08.40 | scottj | Arafangion: but I agree, for a kid or developing world or casual contributer it could be expensive |
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| 06:09.10 | potatoceleron | but it'll be cheap, the only important part is that it can be revoked if you violate the tos |
| 06:09.29 | Arafangion | scottj: That's very true, that said, you still need to have the certificates, and I don't know if most companies allow their devs to use their certificates for random applications that they don't own. |
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| 06:11.54 | scottj | Arafangion: I'm not really familiar with iOS. Also, a lot of full-time iOS people have several apps on the side of their own. Maybe the $99 can be split between those apps that they do own. |
| 06:13.44 | Arafangion | scottj: It's been at few years since I last did ios dev, someone else managed the certificates for me, so maybe you're right. |
| 06:15.09 | Arafangion | really should upgrade his jessie system more often. |
| 06:15.33 | potatoceleron | yeah you don't want to fall behind and end up with testing or stable :) |
| 06:15.56 | Arafangion | No, I'm perfectly happy for my jessie system to become 'stable'. |
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| 06:17.00 | potatoceleron | it's funny, i just remembered we are BOTH running jessie,and that it is testing |
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| 06:17.34 | potatoceleron | it started as wheezy, and i always think of it as wheezy. plus i install wheezy a LOT |
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| 06:18.03 | centrx | Next version is called Zurg :P |
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| 06:19.00 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: That's why I don't refer to my installation as "testing" or "stable", as there becomes a point when, suddenly, quite suddenly, an aptitude upgrade completely reinstalls your system. |
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| 06:20.05 | potatoceleron | well noted. |
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| 06:21.09 | Arafangion | One thing I wish, was that I could remove the server requirement... If there are two devices already connected to the same 'folder', they should be able to sync without a server. |
| 06:21.12 | Arafangion | Ie, directly. |
| 06:21.22 | centrx | What's a folder |
| 06:22.08 | scottj | Arafangion: bittorrent sync |
| 06:22.44 | Arafangion | centrx: Lets suppose I create a 'My Photos' folder wherein I put all my images. Typically such a folder needs to live on a server somewhere (ie, in "the cloud"). I'd like the devices to be able to sync if they happen to be on the same subnet. |
| 06:23.04 | centrx | What's a folder? |
| 06:23.07 | scottj | although actually I think the current implementation of btsync uses their central server for some stuff |
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| 06:23.56 | Arafangion | scottj: Yeah, I'd prefer to have some minimal dependence on such a server, but it's difficuldt to avoid one entirely for cross subnet syncs. |
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| 06:24.31 | Arafangion | centrx: If "folder" confuses you, please feel free to use the term "bag of holding". |
| 06:25.18 | potatoceleron | giggles |
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| 06:26.03 | Arafangion | *sigh*. Run out of space in /var |
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| 06:28.27 | Arafangion | should find out how to re-adjust his partition scheme, and put /var/cache/apt somewhere more sensible. |
| 06:29.00 | potatoceleron | i don't know if it's a "good idea" ara, but i've done that very thing before, with one simple symlink |
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| 06:29.15 | centrx | connect your bags with a string |
| 06:29.34 | potatoceleron | transfer them with an african swallow |
| 06:29.44 | Arafangion | centrx++ |
| 06:30.10 | potatoceleron | i wouldn't do it on a production system, but a symlink moves apt's package cache pretty reliably |
| 06:30.42 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: It should be a fairly simple matter to modify the partitions. |
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| 06:31.53 | potatoceleron | sure, but when i was done i put the path back the normal way, that was amusing |
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| 06:33.25 | Arafangion | Anyway, wiping my apt cache fixed it, most of the .deb's are out of date anywya. |
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| 06:36.39 | babilen | Arafangion: Might want to take discussions like this to #debian-offtopic in the future as they aren't really a support issue |
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| 06:37.18 | Arafangion | babilen: True, I should join that channel by default, come to think of it. |
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| 06:38.35 | potatoceleron | df -h | sed "s/Filesystem/Bag\ of\ holding/g" |
| 06:41.13 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: df -h | sed 's/Filesystem /Bag Of Holding/g' |
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| 06:41.37 | potatoceleron | thanks. i thought that might help, but i didn't want to push my luck posting more than one version |
| 06:41.52 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: Note: single-quotes, and double-quoted strings are interpreted differently by bash. |
| 06:42.22 | potatoceleron | those too. i almost always use double, but i'm vaguely familiar with the alternatives |
| 06:42.47 | Arafangion | potatoceleron: If in doubt, use single-quotes, you will have fewer surprises. |
| 06:43.09 | Arafangion | (More interpolation and substitions in the double-quoted strings) |
| 06:43.16 | potatoceleron | that won't work. only time i'm in doubt is when it's not working :) |
| 06:43.30 | Arafangion | Haha. I'm off for food. |
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| 07:19.43 | mikodo | Hey! I am seriously considering changing from Xubuntu LTS to Debian Stable. I am a casual user! Does "Stable" upgrade successfully, when a new one is available. I am tired of 'buntu's always changing. Ubuntu dist upgrades almost always seem to break something. So, how *well* does Debian Stable's apt-get upgrade work? I don't use any propriety drivers, and just have one desktop, with no other OS's. |
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| 07:21.15 | dotDeb | mikodo debian is rolling release so software is updated continually rather than at version upgrades |
| 07:21.47 | dotDeb | mikodo also, debian is very conservative when it comes to accepting newer versions of packages as stable, and I haven't had anything break for me |
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| 07:21.59 | Some_Person | dotDeb: Err... stable isn't updated continuously |
| 07:22.07 | dotDeb | some_person really o.O |
| 07:22.16 | mikodo | dotDeb, Thx. Still needs updating tho |
| 07:22.26 | dotDeb | some_person i thought that was the definition of rolling release |
| 07:22.34 | Some_Person | dotDeb: stable isn't a rolling release |
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| 07:22.46 | dotDeb | some_person oh what for some reason I thought it was |
| 07:22.57 | Some_Person | unstable is, but stable isn't |
| 07:22.58 | dotDeb | mikodo some_person i stand corrected. |
| 07:23.02 | dotDeb | some_person got it |
| 07:23.18 | dotDeb | also mikodo are you positive you're not using wireless drivers? |
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| 07:23.37 | mikodo | dotDeb, no wifi |
| 07:23.54 | dotDeb | mikodo ah :) |
| 07:24.51 | towski_ | Uhoh: Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0:i386 (2.38.2-5) ... Segmentation fault |
| 07:24.58 | towski_ | hopefully that only affects i386 |
| 07:25.06 | babilen | mikodo: Debian is known for putting a lot of work into making sure that you can update between releases. The process is documnted in the release notes for each release and you could read them for wheezy (current stable) at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html but the basic procedure is to change your sources.list and then upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 07:25.14 | towski_ | maybe this dist-upgrade wasn't such a great idea |
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| 07:25.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell towski_ -about bat |
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| 07:26.05 | babilen | towski_: And please take it to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you are tracking testing or unstable. If you just wanted to inform us, but don't require help that is fine too. |
| 07:26.08 | mikodo | babilen, I'll read that. Thanks. I thought that process was not needed for stable tho |
| 07:26.19 | babilen | mikodo: What process exactly? |
| 07:26.55 | mikodo | babilen, changes sources before upgrading |
| 07:27.37 | towski_ | babilen: thanks. I am using testing, although #debian-next is invite only. this is the first dist-upgrade I've done in a while |
| 07:27.49 | babilen | mikodo: Well, we have to differentiate between upgrading the same release and upgrading to a new release. You naturally don't have to edit your sources.list for the former, but if you want to upgrade to the next release you have to make that change explicitly. |
| 07:28.24 | mikodo | babilen, Oh Okay! I need to read more then. Thank you. |
| 07:28.29 | babilen | towski_: The channel is, with the rest of the official Debian channels, on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) =not here on freenode |
| 07:29.40 | babilen | mikodo: Upgrades to the stable release (i.e. those that fix security or grave bugs) rarely, if ever, break your system. It essentially boils down to running apt-get upgrade and/or apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 07:30.45 | mikodo | babilen,Aah, That's what I thought. Good to know about the stability of the updating process |
| 07:30.48 | babilen | mikodo: Upgrading between releases naturally implies more work as you will install completely new versions of software with, for example, new dependencies, new configuration files. Some packages might even have been removed. |
| 07:30.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell mikodo -about stable |
| 07:31.17 | HD|Laptop | hey |
| 07:31.23 | HD|Laptop | anyone here who knows a bit of LDAP? |
| 07:31.36 | HD|Laptop | After a systems upgrade users can no longer login via ssh |
| 07:31.52 | HD|Laptop | auth.log shows "failed password for foobar" |
| 07:31.54 | babilen | mikodo: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" and has very little to do with "working" or "bug free". That doesn't mean that not a lot of work if being put into assuring that too, but stable just means that you won't run into surprises. |
| 07:32.09 | babilen | HD|Laptop: "a systems upgrade" ? |
| 07:32.23 | HD|Laptop | apt-get upgrade |
| 07:32.29 | HD|Laptop | getent shadow shows marco_ldap:*:15105:::::: |
| 07:32.40 | babilen | HD|Laptop: What did you upgrade exactly? |
| 07:33.06 | HD|Laptop | everything, dont remember the details, it was two weeks ago. I just noticed that the ftp and ssh login doesnt work |
| 07:33.35 | HD|Laptop | I guess that something borked on the access rights, the LDAP server was not upgraded |
| 07:33.55 | HD|Laptop | all ldap objects have the shadowAccount objectclass |
| 07:34.18 | babilen | HD|Laptop: Well, take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log and provide information about the rest of your system. You might also want to consider taking it to a more LDAP specific channel such as #ldap which is probably full of people eager to debug this |
| 07:34.33 | HD|Laptop | ah ok |
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| 07:34.55 | blubberdiblub | HD|Laptop, maybe also throw in the content of your /etc/nsswitch.conf file |
| 07:34.56 | mikodo | babilen, I am in my 60's, new to computers, and just want to be able to upgrade to the newest "Stable", without to much trouble and merrily go on my way. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 07:35.57 | HD|Laptop | blubberdiblub: passwd,shadow and group have "files ldap" |
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| 07:36.51 | babilen | mikodo: Sounds as if Debian stable releases would suit you well. It's just that you will have to upgrade every, say, three years as we only support releases for up to a year after the next one has been released. That process can be a bit more involved, but is also well tested. There are, however, problems that might happen. You have fewer problems the "more normal" your setup is typically though |
| 07:37.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell mikodo -about install debian |
| 07:37.22 | blubberdiblub | HD|Laptop, also check if the ldap-related pam files are installed and configured properly |
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| 07:38.11 | babilen | mikodo: You can (and should) ask our bot about all the things in <...> as they'll contain relevant information. I would recommend to use the <netinstall> image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmare image) if you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
| 07:38.48 | HD|Laptop | blubberdiblub: they look all like when I set up that system and like another working system... same for the access rights |
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| 07:39.12 | HD|Laptop | someone please remind me to back up /etc before upgrading in future |
| 07:39.20 | mikodo | babilen, I have the connections in Canada, and will look into the netinstall |
| 07:40.09 | mikodo | dpkg: debian install |
| 07:40.10 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 07:40.42 | babilen | HD|Laptop: Is it a problem to paste your logs and additional information on, say, http://paste.debian.net ? Bits you want to include comprise your sources.list and ldap related configuration. |
| 07:40.49 | mikodo | dpkg <netinst> |
| 07:40.49 | dpkg | mikodo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:41.16 | babilen | mikodo: You can ask the bot yourself. It should have sent you a message in private earlier, but you can do "/msg dpkg netinst" (remove the < and >) |
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| 07:42.22 | babilen | mikodo: Ask if about <firmware image> which will get you a link to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 07:43.25 | mikodo | babilen, Thanks, I didn't know to look for a PM |
| 07:43.34 | HD|Laptop | babilen: depends on which log you want (i'll just censor the IP addrs)... what do you need? |
| 07:43.36 | mikodo | babilen, it is there |
| 07:45.58 | babilen | HD|Laptop: I quite specifically mentioned /var/log/apt/history.log before, but I will now have some coffee first.. include your sources.list, LDAP configuration and ldap related logs. Also tell people what you have done so far to debug the problem and what the result of that. |
| 07:47.13 | HD|Laptop | babilen: well no luck at all for the apt history, looks like I killed off /var/log/* for a cleanup. |
| 07:47.53 | HD|Laptop | babilen: sources.list at http://paste.debian.net/87754/ |
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| 07:49.22 | HD|Laptop | babilen: pam.d/common-account http:http://paste.debian.net/87755/, common-auth http://paste.debian.net/87756/ common-password http://paste.debian.net/87757/ common-session http://paste.debian.net/87758/ |
| 07:50.06 | HD|Laptop | babilen: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf http://paste.debian.net/87760/ |
| 07:50.41 | babilen | HD|Laptop: You really shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list but always the exact name of the release to prevent unpleasant surprises. And it is perfectly fine to put it all into a single pastebin. |
| 07:50.49 | babilen | So, coffee .. |
| 07:50.52 | babilen | waves |
| 07:51.21 | HD|Laptop | problem #1 was that logins did not work and that su -l USERNAME made shells with "I have no name" as username. A bit of googling told me that access rights were broken, a chmod 644 /etc/libnss-ldap.conf |
| 07:51.31 | HD|Laptop | remedied that and su-login worked again |
| 07:51.53 | HD|Laptop | now, only ssh login is still broken with aforementioned messages |
| 07:52.11 | babilen | HD|Laptop: I am under the impression that you unsuccessfully upgraded a lenny box to squeeze/wheezy whatever. But who knows? What does /etc/debian_version give you? What about "dpkg -l libc6" ? ... |
| 07:52.54 | HD|Laptop | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/87761/ |
| 07:52.55 | babilen | But then you might have commented those stable links ages ago .. *shrug* |
| 07:53.08 | babilen | bbl |
| 07:53.10 | HD|Laptop | oh, I did not touch that sources list since years |
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| 07:57.13 | HD|Laptop | and I, maybe, should reboot that system. Maybe it's just as with WIndows, but I hate to lose 300d uptime. |
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| 08:06.26 | rhizome | what is the relationship between alsa and pulseaudio? my impression was that PA sat on top of Alsa, but now i'm not so sure. |
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| 08:08.44 | ksuhku | rhizome, that's correct I believe |
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| 08:10.40 | wols | everyone sound sits on top of alsa. alsa is the kernel infrastructure for sound (except OSS) |
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| 08:10.46 | wols | *everything sound |
| 08:10.56 | rhizome | and alsa is always one-at-a-time? |
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| 08:12.24 | jpw | alsa is one at a time yes, consider using jack if you want to get around this limitation. |
| 08:13.01 | rhizome | just trying to straighten out alsa and pulseaudio once and for all |
| 08:13.52 | jpw | rhizome: good luck. |
| 08:14.06 | rhizome | yes, it may not occur tonight exactly |
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| 08:17.46 | petern_ | Bah, Wheezy stuck on an iceweasel update. Doing a dist-upgrade shows it will... remove systemd-sysv. Uh... |
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| 08:18.52 | rhizome | go hardcore or go home |
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| 08:19.42 | jpw | ^ |
| 08:20.17 | petern_ | And yes, PA sits on top of ALSA, unless you're doing Bluetooth. |
| 08:21.30 | petern_ | Alsa hw: will expose whatever the hardware's capable of, including hardware mixing. |
| 08:21.41 | towski_ | ug my dist-upgrade broke everything and I had to restore from backup |
| 08:22.08 | petern_ | And then Alsa also has dmix which is software mixing in userspace. This is set up by default. |
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| 08:24.48 | blubberdiblub | rhizome, when you don't have a trivial setup, alsa may be harder to configure, but it's not necessarily "one-at-a-time" (as petern_ points out), depending on how it is configured |
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| 08:29.21 | petern_ | basically if you're just using a desktop, PA's usually the way to go now |
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| 08:29.50 | petern_ | it had a bad rep when ubuntu implemented it way too early, but this isn't ubuntu |
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| 08:32.09 | HD|Laptop | babilen: rebooted the server, nothing changed... |
| 08:32.24 | babilen | okay |
| 08:33.04 | HD|Laptop | apt-get upgrade shows nothing to do except php5, xorg and gtk being kept back |
| 08:33.23 | HD|Laptop | (which is intentional, at least for php5, and I dont give a ... about the rest) |
| 08:33.30 | HD|Laptop | error messages are still the same |
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| 08:37.01 | LonelyDanbo | Sorry to ask here, but between Arch and OpenSUSE, which one is easier to get running and install Wine on? (Debian is just shitting the bed on this one and I can't deal with the complications.) |
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| 08:37.46 | LonelyDanbo | (not to mention it doesn't like my onboard sound by default and I still don't have access to mixer volume controls for it even after a fix got it working.) |
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| 08:39.03 | babilen | LonelyDanbo: Ask them or ##linux? |
| 08:39.13 | LonelyDanbo | I asked in #winehq but it's really late and the one guy who replied hasn't used either. |
| 08:39.43 | LonelyDanbo | babilen, ah, thanks. My stupid brain thought "no, that's not a good idea. Ask here instead!" |
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| 08:42.35 | Rahul21 | hello |
| 08:43.15 | LonelyDanbo | oh goddamnit. nickserv requires an email address now? spynet in mah IRC. |
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| 08:43.57 | Rahul21 | Could anyone help me please http://imgur.com/xPktN0W |
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| 08:44.50 | Rahul21 | Rahul21: I can't install anything now, I get an error "Fatal error: can't close Unified_cpp_content_base_src5.o: No space left on device" |
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| 08:47.36 | LonelyDanbo | I don't know much about partitions. |
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| 08:48.23 | Arafangion | I'm naively installing owncloud in debian, however I'm confused. How is localhost/owncloud being directed to whatever the location of owncloud? It's configured in sites-available, but I don't see where it's referenced in sites-enabled? |
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| 08:50.27 | Arafangion | Rather, it's in conf-available, but it's not explicitly *enabled* as far as I can tell, by default. Yet the site apparently exists. |
| 08:52.47 | rhizome | blubberdiblub: my twist is that i only use a usb soundcard |
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| 08:53.01 | rhizome | it's default, and the only card listed in aplay -l |
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| 08:55.44 | xbytemx | Rahul21: df -h what says? |
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| 09:01.13 | SURKITZ | Hi All, I'm still having trouble after like 4 days now trying to install an NetGear WNDA3200 (Atheros) USB wireless WiFi adapter on Debian Raspbian Wheezy 3.10.254, can anyone help please?? thanks :) Here is a link to my config dumps and logs to help illustrate my technical issue: http://pastebin.com/Em5ejiwU |
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| 09:05.33 | lorenzo | hi! |
| 09:05.44 | lorenzo | I have a problem with Debian on a 667 MHz PIII machine |
| 09:05.56 | lorenzo | shutdown doesn't work, it's like in Windows 95 |
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| 09:06.03 | lorenzo | when I turn it off, the power supply remains on |
| 09:06.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell SURKITZ -about raspbian |
| 09:06.18 | lorenzo | and I have to turn the machine off manually by pressing the button |
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| 09:06.26 | lorenzo | it's an ATX power supply, this shouldn't happen |
| 09:07.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell SURKITZ -about ar7010 |
| 09:07.24 | babilen | SURKITZ: But take it to #raspbian please |
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| 09:07.44 | Sbroker | Hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 09:08.36 | SURKITZ | thanks man |
| 09:08.53 | babilen | Sbroker: This is neither a chat nor a Spanish speaking channel. |
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| 09:09.11 | babilen | SURKITZ: All the best |
| 09:09.34 | Sbroker | allwats the same song... |
| 09:09.44 | Sbroker | *allways |
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| 09:13.09 | SURKITZ | babilen I tried that but no joy |
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| 09:18.12 | gxt | hi |
| 09:18.57 | gxt | when will gnu/hurd be released for public to use like to install on a computer? |
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| 09:19.59 | gxt | hi assurbanipal |
| 09:20.10 | gxt | hi ghostlines |
| 09:20.32 | nkuttler | gxt: when it's ready, and sooner if you help |
| 09:20.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell gxt -about hurd |
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| 09:21.01 | babilen | gxt: It will be a while, but ask in the hurd channel for additional information. |
| 09:21.11 | babilen | (#debian-hurd that is) |
| 09:21.12 | gxt | which de they r gonna ship? |
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| 09:21.45 | gxt | kde or xfce or stock gnome |
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| 09:22.01 | gxt | ok thanks |
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| 09:35.15 | SURKITZ | Do you know how I can list installed wifi drivers installed and how I can remove them please babilen? |
| 09:36.05 | wols | SURK/lastlog SURKITZ |
| 09:37.11 | SURKITZ | SURK/lastlog SURKITZ |
| 09:37.14 | SURKITZ | ? |
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| 09:39.55 | wols | SURKITZ: your interfaces file looks wrong. "iface wlan0 inet manual" "manual" there is no valid afaik. you should use "static" |
| 09:40.08 | wols | SURKITZ: but better yet, you should follow https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK for your interfaces file |
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| 09:40.45 | babilen | ... #raspbian |
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| 09:42.30 | wols | or that |
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| 09:59.47 | Roberth1990 | hi, if I install testing and want to use systemd, how do I go forward? |
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| 10:00.42 | Roberth1990 | uhm sorry |
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| 10:08.21 | EvilDMP | I've run the installer of the live CD - debian-live-7.4-i386-standard.iso - on a netbook, but although it completes the process apparently normally, it leaves it with what appears to be a minimal installation - without even networking enabled |
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| 10:08.53 | EvilDMP | it doesn't seem to ask at any point what I want installed |
| 10:09.03 | EvilDMP | should it not? |
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| 10:26.01 | Cyb3rAssasin | Currently have a P4 4gb Ram setup for a Debian Server. Should I replace it with a BeagleBone Black or leave it as is? |
| 10:26.17 | Cyb3rAssasin | Thinking power consumption mother than anything. |
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| 10:40.13 | the8thbit | I used ssh-copy-id to add my public key to my ssh server on my other machine. It asked me for the machines password, and then added it, now I can ssh from this machine. However, couldn't someone else do the same thing from their client if they know the password? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of using keys? Or can I prevent other clients from adding their keys somehow? |
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| 10:43.07 | dutchfish | the8thbit, they must have any means already to access that machine over ssh. This is granted or denied depending what root configured. |
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| 10:44.02 | babilen | the8thbit: The sensible thing to do is to disable password based logins; You do, however, need a way to get your key to the remote host in the first place. |
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| 10:45.00 | babilen | the8thbit: But then, if somebody has access already they have access already. Who do you refer to by "other clients" ? I mean they can add keys to accounts they have access to. If they have access in the first place is a different question. |
| 10:45.02 | the8thbit | babilen: I already did transfer my key, I just have to make sure that the machine is only accessible if the connecting machine has my key |
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| 10:46.26 | Arafangion | If I install an apache-based framework in debian, such as owncloud, is there any setup I should also do (because it isn't working by default) |
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| 10:46.36 | babilen | the8thbit: Only allow key based logins in /etc/ssh/sshd_config then |
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| 10:48.51 | the8thbit | babilen: wait, if I have key AND pass authentication turned on, will it force the user to provide a key AND a password, or will it allow access with a key OR password? |
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| 10:49.45 | dutchfish | Arafangion, it prolly chokes on not having the right apache2 modules like php and and an db like sqllite or mysql (see apache2 modules) |
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| 10:49.52 | babilen | the8thbit: It's either |
| 10:50.01 | the8thbit | babilen: Ahhh, now it all makes sense |
| 10:50.04 | the8thbit | thanks |
| 10:50.10 | babilen | the8thbit: If you want them to have a password then hand out keys with passphrases |
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| 10:50.25 | babilen | (and disable password based logins) |
| 10:51.09 | dutchfish | Arafangion, its latest edition also suggets clamav |
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| 10:52.35 | babilen | the8thbit: Do you have other users on that box? A typical thing to do is to channel all keys through the administrator (or provision them with salt or so) and to disallow password based logins. If you want to make sure that users only use keys with proper passphrases you would have to generate the keys for them and transmit them to the users in a secure manner. |
| 10:53.07 | the8thbit | babilen: When I forward ports to allow for ssh from outside of the network, I have to explicitly state which machines to forward ssh connection to, right? So I would only be making the ONE machine accessible from outside, and not EVERY machine on the network, right? |
| 10:53.20 | the8thbit | (of course you could ssh into this one machine and then jump to others) |
| 10:53.35 | the8thbit | babilen: I'll be the only user probably |
| 10:53.40 | the8thbit | well the only remote user |
| 10:53.48 | babilen | the8thbit: "yes" but that really depends on how you configure that forwarding. ##networking is a great place to discuss the details of that. |
| 10:54.05 | the8thbit | babilen: thanks, I'll pop in there |
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| 10:56.24 | babilen | the8thbit: Okay, then make sure your key is there. Try using it ("ssh -vvvvv" should give more information) and then disable password based logins. You probably also want to disable root logins. You are looking for UsePam=no, PasswordAuthentication=no and +PermitRootLogin=no btw |
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| 10:57.20 | the8thbit | babilen: What does UsePam do? |
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| 10:57.57 | the8thbit | also, if I disable root logins, will I be able to get root access after I'm logged in? |
| 10:58.07 | Tenkawa | the8thbit: enables the use of PAM based authentication |
| 10:58.22 | Tenkawa | babilen: right> |
| 10:58.23 | Tenkawa | er |
| 10:58.24 | Tenkawa | ? |
| 10:58.32 | the8thbit | Tenkawa: Like, the cooking spray? |
| 10:58.34 | dutchfish | !pam |
| 10:58.34 | dpkg | pam is, like, the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://web.archive.org/web/20110721105843/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide: http://web.archive.org/web/20110613030734/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
| 10:59.11 | Tenkawa | dutchfish: thanks |
| 10:59.15 | dutchfish | yw |
| 10:59.21 | Tenkawa | (still 90% asleep) |
| 10:59.45 | dutchfish | the8thbit, if you want to restrict local access too place that box in a DMZ zone, and configure your firewall accordingly |
| 11:00.58 | the8thbit | dutchfish: thanks. So is PAM what gnu/linux uses for local authentication? |
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| 11:01.17 | dutchfish | the8thbit, yes, sortoff but delv einto the docs |
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| 11:01.35 | dutchfish | the8thbit, its a topic of its own |
| 11:01.40 | the8thbit | dutchfish: yep, I'm skimming them a bit atm |
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| 11:02.02 | the8thbit | will read more when I have more time/I'm more awake |
| 11:02.25 | dutchfish | have fun |
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| 11:05.22 | the8thbit | hmm, right now I have firefox set up to send me to a random wikipedia page when I open a new tab. It would be interesting to set it up so that it sends me to a random man page half the time as well... |
| 11:05.51 | dutchfish | the8thbit, add more start pages |
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| 11:06.11 | nest0r | the8thbit: very nice idea! |
| 11:06.15 | dutchfish | the8thbit, or script a local start page |
| 11:06.23 | the8thbit | dutchfish: yeah, but that only gives me a random page each time I start ff, not each time I open a tab |
| 11:06.24 | dutchfish | the8thbit, i exactly did that |
| 11:06.29 | Tenkawa | man pages?? you mean there's actually documentation for this stuff???? |
| 11:06.32 | Tenkawa | (j/k) |
| 11:06.47 | the8thbit | but yeah, it would be trivial, just an idea that popped into my head just now |
| 11:07.06 | dutchfish | hands the8thbit an icecream |
| 11:07.23 | the8thbit | I just ate an ice cream |
| 11:07.28 | the8thbit | what are you trying to do, kill me |
| 11:08.22 | dutchfish | no ;) |
| 11:08.38 | babilen | *wink* |
| 11:08.55 | Tenkawa | could eat a few quarts of ice cream right now |
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| 11:10.34 | Tenkawa | cheers all.. time to get the days events started. |
| 11:10.41 | the8thbit | bye |
| 11:10.44 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm trying to install a deb file with dpkg but it keeps encountering errors because neccessary dependencies are not installed. I just installed them with apt-get and I keep getting the errors |
| 11:10.45 | the8thbit | oh, he's already gone |
| 11:10.50 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I fix this? |
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| 11:11.33 | Brigo | bl4ckdu5t, you need to install the dependecies |
| 11:11.36 | bl4ckdu5t | I tried apt-get -f install if it will fix the issue but it just deletes the deb file that didn't install properly |
| 11:11.41 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: Could you provide more details? What are you installing? You can typically install missing dependencies of broken (i.e. those with missing dependencies) packages with "apt-get -f install" |
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| 11:11.43 | bl4ckdu5t | Brigo: I did |
| 11:11.56 | Brigo | bl4ckdu5t, what are you trying to install? |
| 11:12.02 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: Paste your exact commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 11:12.15 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm installing pen from http://www.pencil-animation.org/index.php?id=Download |
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| 11:19.10 | repxl | hey i added 2 deb links http://www.dotdeb.org/2013/06/20/php-5-5-0-is-out-and-available-for-debian-7-0-wheezy/ and tryed to apt-get update it says Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy-php55 Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E9C74FEEA2098A6E |
| 11:19.53 | Arafangion | Ok, I think my issue was selinux, is this part of debian stable, or only testing? |
| 11:20.56 | repxl | why i get this message |
| 11:21.24 | bl4ckdu5t | babilen, Brigo here's my paste http://paste.debian.net/87772/ |
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| 11:24.13 | repxl | anyone can help me get php 5.5 |
| 11:24.28 | repxl | i need it however i don't care about security its a development machine |
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| 11:25.12 | the8thbit | setting up ssh to a machine running no-ip makes me feel like a character from Hackers |
| 11:25.14 | repxl | i really need it because my production is on hold now by a linux issue .. |
| 11:25.22 | the8thbit | I just need to remember not to set 'god' as my root password |
| 11:25.34 | Sbroker | [[[eir]]] it wasnt neccesary lol |
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| 11:26.54 | benediktXVII | Hello everybody. I need help with an issue I am having with my debian installation. When I installed Debian I chose to partition the disk with the standard 10G for the sys partition. It ran full, now I freed 40G from my home partition and want to add them to my sys partition. I booted with the GParted live cd, but I can not add the 40G which is free to my sys partition because it is a daughter partition of my home partition. |
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| 11:32.41 | Brigo | bl4ckdu5t, are you using testing or stable? |
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| 11:33.27 | repxl | why i see my uninstalled packages dpkg-query -l |
| 11:33.35 | repxl | i just unintalled php-pfm |
| 11:33.39 | repxl | and its showing in installed |
| 11:33.45 | repxl | i need to run apt-get update or what |
| 11:34.03 | repxl | hm |
| 11:34.06 | Brigo | benediktXVII, can you paste the output of fdisk -l on paste.debian.net? |
| 11:34.15 | bl4ckdu5t | Brigo: stable I guess |
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| 11:34.46 | bigterd | is it possible to re-align my partitions after array has been created? (obviousily data on it) |
| 11:34.58 | bigterd | i think i made a mistake. reshape is ungodly slow |
| 11:35.09 | SSbroker | repxl: be a man and use unstable!! xD |
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| 11:35.33 | repxl | SSbroker can you help me with my problem ? |
| 11:35.48 | benediktXVII | Brigo, I am on my wifes computer because I can not connect to the net with mine since I am on the live cd. I will try to type it manually. |
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| 11:36.15 | SSbroker | whats your problem? |
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| 11:36.24 | repxl | i uninstalled php-pfm and it's still showing under dpkg-query -l that it's installed |
| 11:36.30 | repxl | SSbroker wrote above now |
| 11:36.52 | SSbroker | testing ? |
| 11:36.57 | repxl | ? |
| 11:37.07 | SSbroker | unstable or testing ? |
| 11:37.11 | SSbroker | or wh |
| 11:37.12 | repxl | stable |
| 11:37.14 | repxl | wh |
| 11:37.16 | repxl | backward |
| 11:37.17 | Brigo | bl4ckdu5t, the problem is that you are tring to install a ubunt package on debian. Sometimes it is ok, but not this time. The package libming0, for example is not in debian. |
| 11:37.32 | SSbroker | apt-get remove |
| 11:37.39 | repxl | yes i removed |
| 11:37.40 | Brigo | benediktXVII, or a picture can be ok too |
| 11:37.42 | bigterd | hm, any mdadm guru's handy? |
| 11:37.52 | SSbroker | next apt-get autoremove |
| 11:37.54 | SSbroker | and purge |
| 11:37.57 | SSbroker | apt-get purge |
| 11:38.22 | benediktXVII | ok I take a pic with phone |
| 11:39.17 | repxl | SSbroker no way haha it's still showing there man what a crap |
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| 11:40.22 | repxl | so im very happy guys now that i removed php5-fpm and now it's still there cool story |
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| 11:40.34 | Brigo | repxl, can you paste the output of dpk-query? |
| 11:40.37 | repxl | this debian works like a charm for me |
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| 11:41.00 | repxl | Brigo y w8 |
| 11:41.40 | repxl | http://pastie.org/8923020 |
| 11:42.10 | repxl | Brigo i have done apt-get remove php5-pfm php5-common and than apt-get autoremove and apt-get purge |
| 11:42.16 | repxl | Brigo it's still there. |
| 11:42.28 | Brigo | repxl, this is normal output |
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| 11:43.27 | Brigo | the rc in the start of the line means the package are removed (r) and the configuration ramains (c) see the head of your own paste |
| 11:43.39 | repxl | Brigo on debian wiki it says dpkg-query -l List all packages installed |
| 11:43.48 | repxl | Brigo but php5 is no longer installed |
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| 11:44.01 | Brigo | repxl, yes, and the removed too. |
| 11:44.25 | j0lz | Brigo, you can use alien to make a package for ubuntu from another .deb or .rpm |
| 11:44.25 | repxl | Brigo and is there a command for only installed |
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| 11:45.24 | Brigo | repxl, is so i don't know, but you can dpkg-query -l |grep ^ii |
| 11:46.00 | Brigo | j0lz, we already have a ubuntu package, we need a debian package. |
| 11:46.01 | repxl | ah ii means installed |
| 11:46.11 | j0lz | I would try a apt-get --purge remove php5* |
| 11:46.28 | Brigo | repxl, or see the manpage man dpkg-query |
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| 11:46.50 | j0lz | Brigo, ok then install alien on debian and make a debian package from the ubuntu package |
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| 11:47.48 | Brigo | j0lz, no way, the dependecies of package not in debian will remains |
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| 11:49.15 | j0lz | Brigo, ok i concur |
| 11:49.51 | j0lz | to get a list of installed packages do dpkg --get-selections installed-packages <-- i think thats it |
| 11:50.21 | j0lz | then you have a list of only installed called installed-packages |
| 11:50.34 | Brigo | j0lz, yes, (tell repxl not me) :-) |
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| 11:51.44 | benediktXVII | Brigo, I couldn't paste the pictures on debian paste, so I put them here: http://ubuntuone.com/39cVw4TMkhjvVw9zjS2wy7 |
| 11:51.54 | j0lz | Brigo, this is correct syntax dpkg --get-selections > installed-packages |
| 11:52.04 | benediktXVII | and here: http://ubuntuone.com/7N1C1l2WiEeRjZD9qgDnup |
| 11:52.44 | Brigo | j0lz, i just tryied: you get not installed packages too :-/ |
| 11:53.24 | j0lz | Brigo, umm nope pretty sure you only get what is installed |
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| 11:55.04 | Brigo | j0lz, http://pastebin.com/cNN7waAA |
| 11:55.28 | Brigo | benediktXVII, still downloading ... |
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| 11:57.14 | j0lz | Brigo, what is the output of ls /etc/php5/ |
| 11:57.26 | Brigo | benediktXVII, ok, and see and do you want to add sda7 to sda1? |
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| 11:57.57 | Brigo | j0lz, no such dir on my system |
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| 11:59.20 | j0lz | repxl, there is no php-pfm on that list either installed or deinstalled |
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| 12:01.20 | benediktXVII | yes |
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| 12:02.02 | benediktXVII | I want to add sda7 to sda1 |
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| 12:03.56 | Brigo | benediktXVII, the problem is thath the free space shoul be contiguos to the partition you want extend |
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| 12:04.30 | benediktXVII | can I move the free space ? |
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| 12:05.55 | Brigo | benediktXVII, no , if you want to extend sda1 you must resize the start of sda2 |
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| 12:06.05 | benediktXVII | ok |
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| 12:15.49 | arvy | Hello, I have a problem when I wake up my laptop from sleep it takes a lot of time to reconnect to internet Eth or Wifi. I had this issue on Win7, I have it on Debian wheezy KDE, I want to know some console tools or something to diagnose where is the issue. |
| 12:16.23 | SirLagz | arvy: have you checked the logs ? dmesg for example |
| 12:16.31 | arvy | When I do service networking restart it sometimes reconnects imediately, but not always |
| 12:16.44 | arvy | no I didn't. what to check exactly? |
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| 12:21.37 | Brigo | arvy, search for you ethernet name (usually eth0) |
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| 12:21.58 | arvy | ok, I will try to take laptop to sleep and wake it up and get info from dmesg | grep eth0 command then |
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| 12:24.50 | benediktXVII | ok, it worked Brigo, thanks a lot. I am extending the partition right now, it's going to take about 8 hours. :) |
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| 12:26.01 | benediktXVII | Have a nice day. |
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| 12:28.28 | arvy | brigo: here is my dmesg log http://paste.debian.net/87781/ but this time it connected in about 15-20 seconds. Today I saw reconnecting to internet few minutes and nothing until I restarted networking service |
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| 12:41.03 | Brigo | arvy, are you still there? |
| 12:41.10 | arvy | yes |
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| 12:42.18 | Brigo | arvy, paste /var/log/syslog and do not grep it, please. |
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| 12:42.35 | repxl | ooooo this dota 2 shit :D |
| 12:42.44 | repxl | they raped me totaly now |
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| 12:44.27 | Brigo | !tell repxl offtopic |
| 12:44.49 | Brigo | !tell repxl about offtopic |
| 12:45.05 | joycee | is this steamOS? |
| 12:45.16 | arvy | brigo: /var/log/syslog here: http://paste.debian.net/87782/ |
| 12:45.17 | abrotman | Doesn't matter |
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| 12:49.17 | repxl | im doing this http://www.dotdeb.org/2013/06/20/php-5-5-0-is-out-and-available-for-debian-7-0-wheezy/ but how i know when i do apt-get install php5-fpm that it's get from this website |
| 12:49.35 | repxl | because i have also backpack deb included which has also a php5-pfm |
| 12:49.59 | abrotman | repxl: do not use dotdeb, they're broken |
| 12:50.13 | repxl | abrotman do you know other, |
| 12:50.14 | repxl | ? |
| 12:50.35 | Brigo | arvy, can you stop networkmanager and try to reconect withouth it? |
| 12:50.42 | abrotman | repxl: That's not a question .. I'm telling you not to use DotDeb packages. They usually break your system |
| 12:51.00 | abrotman | repxl: I can definitely tell you they're not supported here. |
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| 12:51.37 | repxl | abrotman but i need at least php 5.5.0 so what should i do now bro ? |
| 12:51.48 | abrotman | repxl: start with not calling me bro .. |
| 12:52.02 | abrotman | repxl: If you have a problem with dotdeb packages, ask them for support. |
| 12:52.48 | repxl | abrotman you are very helpfull you say me they are broken but you don't give me a suggestion what else is not broken thanks. |
| 12:53.41 | abrotman | repxl: Either use them or don't, they're not supported here. I'd suggest altering the PHP to work on the packages already in Wheezy |
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| 12:54.32 | repxl | abrotman so i should stop my development now untill debian makes "secured php" ? |
| 12:54.41 | repxl | abrotman nice plan... |
| 12:55.52 | Brigo | repxl, you can upgrade to testing and try to get support on debian-next |
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| 12:56.07 | arvy | brigo: I did what you asked. sorry, I don't know how to reduce syslog output, so I put it all again :/ http://paste.debian.net/87784/ |
| 12:56.07 | Brigo | in oftc |
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| 12:56.43 | Brigo | arvy, networkmanager is still working |
| 12:57.04 | Brigo | try stopping it with service networkmanager stop |
| 12:57.09 | abrotman | repxl: Uhm, the PHP in wheezy is already secure |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | Brigo: that's a *horrible* suggestion |
| 12:57.30 | Brigo | abrotman, why? :-) |
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| 12:57.36 | repxl | yes why ? |
| 12:57.37 | abrotman | Brigo: are you that dense? |
| 12:57.41 | arvy | Brigo: no, it shows X sign where Eth0 connection used to be in system tray next to the clock |
| 12:58.02 | abrotman | Brigo: there is *no* security support for testing |
| 12:58.14 | rneese | mornign |
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| 12:58.21 | Brigo | arvy, logs that you paste show networmanager still working ... so wrong logs or networkmanager is still working |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | repxl: Why do you think the packages in Wheezy have security issues resolved by 5.5.x ? |
| 12:58.42 | repxl | abrotman wheezy last version is 5.4 someting |
| 12:58.50 | Brigo | i guess repxl know it |
| 12:58.54 | abrotman | repxl: so What? |
| 12:59.06 | Brigo | -v php5 |
| 12:59.11 | Brigo | ,v php5 |
| 12:59.12 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; jessie: 5.5.9+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.9+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~alpha2+dfsg-1 |
| 12:59.12 | abrotman | repxl: Should I repeat the question again? Do you understnad how Debian security support works? |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | Brigo: please stop, you'r enot helping |
| 12:59.22 | repxl | abrotman so i need 5.5.0 i don't know what you mean by security issues but im using debian for development only i connect to my nginx webserver |
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| 12:59.37 | arvy | brigo: I executed sudo service network-manager stop and it replied, that: network manager already stopped. |
| 12:59.39 | repxl | abrotman live i got a centos with last software |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | repxl: 08:54 < repxl > abrotman so i should stop my development now untill debian makes "secured php" ? |
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| 13:00.02 | abrotman | what does "secured php" mean? |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | security patches? |
| 13:00.15 | rneese | for what |
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| 13:00.28 | Brigo | arvy, ah, ok, sorry, then i need you stop you ethernet connection and reenable it |
| 13:00.48 | Brigo | with ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 may be |
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| 13:00.53 | repxl | abrotman i just need that php 5.5.0 works i don't care about security its a development server |
| 13:01.00 | Brigo | and then paste the logs |
| 13:01.10 | abrotman | repxl: then use dotdeb, good luck, they're not supported here. |
| 13:01.24 | themill | repxl: if you're developing, what is the software going to be deployed on? |
| 13:01.26 | repxl | abrotman i was think security means that it will not work ... |
| 13:01.43 | abrotman | repxl: that doesn't make sense |
| 13:01.44 | repxl | themill the software is gonna run on centOS last software |
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| 13:01.54 | abrotman | repxl: so why not develop on CentOS? |
| 13:02.06 | themill | repxl: so develop on centos then. There's no sense in having the development and production being different |
| 13:02.13 | arvy | brigo: sudo ifdown eth0 results in this: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured . how can I restart it then? |
| 13:02.27 | repxl | abrotman i had issues with setup network with virtual box debian was easier but the software on the other sides is "you see how it is " |
| 13:02.28 | Brigo | arvy, ifup eth0 :) |
| 13:02.50 | repxl | abrotman live my network was setup itself on digitalocean so i had not problem on live |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | repxl: using a different OS for development and production is asking for trouble. |
| 13:03.11 | arvy | brigo: now i get this sudo ifup eth0 ---> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
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| 13:03.38 | abrotman | arvy: is eth0 defined in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 13:03.40 | Brigo | arvy, the we need to know if there is a dhclient running ... try pgrep -l dhclient |
| 13:04.37 | rneese | mornign |
| 13:05.07 | repxl | abrotman why ? nginx works php too |
| 13:05.09 | arvy | brigo: wow, it is not in interfaces file, just lo interface there :/ I am surprised |
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| 13:05.35 | Brigo | arvy, no, is the use when networkmanager manages connections. |
| 13:05.49 | repxl | i would switch to debian on live too but i can't since 5.5.0 is NOT SECURE ! |
| 13:05.52 | arvy | brigo: pgrep -l dhclient ---> 8338 dhclient |
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| 13:06.06 | Brigo | so kill it |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | repxl: why isn't it secure? |
| 13:06.32 | rneese | morning having a issue with usb wifi adapters |
| 13:06.37 | rneese | http://pastebin.ca/2662653 |
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| 13:07.31 | abrotman | rneese: dmesg | grep wlan |
| 13:07.44 | Brigo | rneese, is there a wlan0 in cat /proc/net/dev? |
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| 13:07.59 | arvy | brigo: did this: sudo kill 8338 . so what I did with this command? :D my ip is managed by dhcp server on the router :/ |
| 13:08.03 | Brigo | arvy kill 8338 and pgrep -l dhclient again |
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| 13:08.25 | Brigo | arvy, yes, but we need to launc our own dhclient process. |
| 13:08.25 | rneese | no it made it wlan1 |
| 13:08.26 | rneese | om |
| 13:08.32 | Brigo | lauch* |
| 13:08.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rneese about 70 |
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| 13:09.10 | arvy | brigo: pgrep -l dhclient returned nothing. it's killed |
| 13:09.15 | rneese | got it |
| 13:09.19 | rneese | thanks |
| 13:09.30 | rneese | it made it wlan1 nto wlan0 wich is od |
| 13:09.31 | Brigo | then dhclient eth0 |
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| 13:09.44 | Brigo | arvy, then dhclient eth0 |
| 13:10.04 | Brigo | arvy, and let's see if now it connect better or not |
| 13:10.18 | arvy | brigo: sudo dhclient eth0 ---> RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
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| 13:10.26 | rneese | now have to figure out the wpa issue |
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| 13:11.12 | Brigo | arvy, damn :) you have to delete, then, /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases |
| 13:11.26 | Brigo | arvy, not that, sorry. |
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| 13:13.09 | arvy | brigo: /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases i found this file, maybe this one :/ |
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| 13:13.31 | Brigo | arvy, no, it should be a .lock or so. |
| 13:14.02 | Brigo | arvy, try in /var/lock |
| 13:14.04 | arvy | brigo: dhclient-41a4f568-8e29-42a7-aeee-ea1d0165dc70-eth0.lease this one maybe, it is in the same folder |
| 13:14.33 | Brigo | you can delete safely, but i think that is not the problem. |
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| 13:14.50 | arvy | brigo: /var/lock is empty, I searched with ls -a |
| 13:14.53 | Brigo | the problem is a lock file to avoid duplicate dhclients on same inteface |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | blinks .. |
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| 13:16.06 | Brigo | arvy, try dhclient eth0 -r |
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| 13:18.32 | rneese | [ 3634.130000] wlan1: associating with AP with corrupt beacon |
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| 13:20.31 | arvy | brigo: lost my coonection now :D on my phone now |
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| 13:20.58 | Brigo | arvy :) |
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| 13:21.54 | no_gravity | Hello! I have a file that shows permissions, user, group time all as "?" when I ls the directory. when i try to remove it, i get "input/output error". How would you go about this? |
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| 13:23.41 | Brigo | arvy, did you see my last comment? try dhclient eth0 -r |
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| 13:24.07 | Brigo | no_gravity, it looks like a disk problem |
| 13:24.17 | Brigo | data lost. |
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| 13:24.25 | Brigo | do you have any backup? |
| 13:24.48 | no_gravity | Brigo: yes, i have backups |
| 13:24.57 | no_gravity | Brigo: trying to e2fsck the device now. |
| 13:24.59 | Brigo | nice :) |
| 13:25.14 | no_gravity | Brigo: how will i know which files are corrupted or lost? |
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| 13:26.07 | Brigo | did you install smartmontools? |
| 13:26.13 | Brigo | no_gravity, it is uneasy. |
| 13:26.28 | no_gravity | Brigo: smarmontools? never heard about it |
| 13:26.33 | Brigo | no_gravity, that is why i asked about backup |
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| 13:26.50 | Brigo | a software the monitor disk . |
| 13:27.21 | Brigo | install it and usr smartctl to query disk. or install the graphic frontend. I must go now, sorry |
| 13:27.28 | Brigo | arvy_, i must go now, sorry |
| 13:27.34 | no_gravity | Brigo: ok. thanks. |
| 13:27.51 | arvy_ | brigo:sudo dhclient eth0 this got back my connection and here is the log after that, if needed http://paste.debian.net/87794/ |
| 13:29.12 | arvy_ | Brigo: thanks for help. :) |
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| 13:30.46 | twanny796 | trying to install qemu with apt-get install qemu, getting this error -> The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:30.46 | twanny796 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.46 | twanny796 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 13:34.10 | joycee | twanny796: ask #kali |
| 13:34.11 | abrotman | twanny796: You should use hte kali support channel |
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| 13:34.29 | joycee | i beat you to it abrotman :) |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | I don't care? |
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| 13:36.24 | Jevermeister | hi. currently using 3rd party repositories for a monitoring system. however these repos also provided newer revisions of php. i would like to switch to another repo which just hosts the 3rd party repository. what will happen if i update my sources.list and do a apt-get update? |
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| 13:37.12 | Jevermeister | i think it's not a major php release difference, just minor - so i should be able to keep the configuration files. |
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| 13:37.41 | abrotman | Jevermeister: so it overwrote the official packages? |
| 13:37.46 | Jevermeister | yep |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | so, there wouldn't be security support for those packages .. Personally, I'd try to get the official ones back in place |
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| 13:38.51 | Jevermeister | yep. that's what im trying to. so if i remove the 3rd party repo and do an apt-get update, the official ones will be installed again? |
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| 13:39.48 | abrotman | no, you'll have to explicitly install those versions |
| 13:39.54 | abrotman | possibly force a downgrade |
| 13:40.26 | Jevermeister | okay. i'll try |
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| 13:51.09 | Brigo | arvy_, are you still there? |
| 13:51.23 | arvy_ | brigo: yes |
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| 13:52.10 | Brigo | arvy_, did you try to reconect several times? |
| 13:52.48 | arvy_ | Brigo: no, I will try now |
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| 13:53.24 | Brigo | if without networkmanager the connections go well the problem should be networkmanager. |
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| 13:55.30 | repxl | so how i know which php5.fpm i install |
| 13:55.44 | repxl | i got 2 deb both has php5-fpm |
| 13:55.53 | repxl | how i know which i install |
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| 13:56.19 | arvy_ | Brigo: I sleep/wake up my laptop two times. Reconnection is instant, Skype now doesn't show reconnecting logo, it's green after login both times. it's magic :D |
| 13:57.13 | Brigo | so networmanager issue. You can remove networkmanager or restart it and try to deal with the problem |
| 13:57.17 | abrotman | repxl: look at the version of the package and which comes from which repo |
| 13:57.23 | repxl | abrotman |
| 13:57.33 | abrotman | repxl |
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| 13:57.56 | repxl | ok so when i do install php5-fpm there should be 2 repos listed than ? |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | I didn't say that |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | repxl: again, your dev box should use CentOS |
| 13:58.34 | arvy_ | Brigo: no, nevermind the network manager, I love the speed of reconnecting more than network manager GUI. |
| 13:59.09 | Brigo | so remove it with apt-get remove network-manager or so |
| 13:59.52 | abrotman | You don't need to remove it, just disable it. |
| 14:00.02 | abrotman | or tell it not to manage your interfaces |
| 14:00.03 | repxl | abrotman many things should be and they aren't ... i will do debian live later when jessie come out |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | repxl: Okay |
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| 14:01.16 | arvy_ | Abrotman: why I should disable rather than remove it? :/ |
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| 14:01.40 | abrotman | if it becomes installed again later, you'll have the same problem. Learn how to configure it correctly |
| 14:02.14 | arvy_ | abrotman: you got the point here, I lookup for info then |
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| 14:03.40 | Brigo | arvy_, good luck :-) |
| 14:03.58 | j0lz | i want to ssh into a debian vbox machine from windows but both have different lan subnets how should i proceed? |
| 14:04.23 | arvy_ | brigo: thanks for help. It makes huge difference now :) |
| 14:04.37 | Brigo | you are wellcome :) |
| 14:04.57 | j0lz | windows 192.168.2.x and the debian vm 10.0.2.x |
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| 14:05.24 | arvy_ | Brigo: So all the network management, wlan, eth and everything else will be done through /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:05.41 | Brigo | arvy_, or network-manager, yes. |
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| 14:07.37 | Brigo | you can easily add a line from your eth0 card like iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:07.44 | checkout3 | Hi |
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| 14:08.46 | Brigo | arvy_, the proble is the wireless connection. Without networkmanager deal with password is a problem. |
| 14:08.46 | checkout3 | I have a problem with PPTP server. I hosted PPTP on vps and i connect from my pc to this vpn and it gets a local ip. This pc have host sshd, when i try connect to local ip ssh it gets timeout. |
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| 14:10.23 | arvy_ | Brigo: for Wifi I should use wpa_supplicant I guess. |
| 14:10.41 | liske1 | checkout3 maybe problem is a in vpn configuration search dhcp configuration for vpn in vps server... |
| 14:11.00 | arvy_ | Brigo: for now I don't need Wifi, but I never know when it will be needed |
| 14:11.04 | Brigo | arvy_, yes, but you will need a configurtaion for each ap |
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| 14:11.15 | checkout3 | liske1: pc gets good ip, but it not foward the ssh port. |
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| 14:11.44 | Brigo | checkout3, is forwarding habilited? |
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| 14:12.11 | checkout3 | Brigo: i don't know what habilited mean |
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| 14:12.26 | Brigo | checkout3, enable, sorry |
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| 14:12.48 | checkout3 | Brigo: i dont know how the enable |
| 14:12.54 | checkout3 | how to* |
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| 14:12.56 | arvy_ | Brigo: I remember having first time user problems with wpa_supplicant few months ago, I think I could make it work more easily now |
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| 14:13.35 | pav5088 | I've been happily using gnash+firefox forever to access youtube, but now I can only use gnash+chromium... is anyone having similar issues? |
| 14:13.58 | Brigo | checkout3, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:14.10 | Brigo | checkout3, if 0 is disable, if 1 is enable |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | pav5088: meaning it doesn't work? or it's slow? |
| 14:14.29 | Brigo | arvy_, ok, then :) |
| 14:14.29 | neo1691 | I want to know is there any utility like htop which tells you the temperature of your laptop |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | neo1691: lm-sensors |
| 14:14.41 | Brigo | arvy_, you can try too wicd, and alternative to networkmanager. |
| 14:14.45 | pav5088 | abrotman, meaning it doesn't work... ie. I hit play, it it just blanks and does nothing. |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | pav5088: run it from the console, look for errors |
| 14:15.22 | neo1691 | Yes lm-sensors are installed but I don't know how to start them, can't seem to work from the term |
| 14:15.43 | neo1691 | both from root and non-root |
| 14:15.53 | Brigo | neo1691, sensors |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | did you run 'sensors' ? |
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| 14:16.03 | neo1691 | got it |
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| 14:17.06 | repxl | Finally my latest php works ! yeah i can start coding |
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| 14:17.16 | neo1691 | can someone look and my laptops temperature and tell me if its normal or not http://paste.debian.net/87831/ |
| 14:17.20 | Brigo | repxl, nice |
| 14:17.22 | repxl | it was a fukin drama :D |
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| 14:17.48 | abrotman | PEBKAC |
| 14:18.00 | Brigo | neo1691, i think they are ok |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | neo1691: you'd have to check the specs for your CPU |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | neo1691: that implies they're fine, but only the specs know for sure |
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| 14:22.20 | zykotick9 | neo1691: a lot lower then mine, but i have load of 10+ 24/7 basically http://paste.debian.net/87837/ <- it's a netbook, acting as a server |
| 14:22.47 | Zharf | what command are you using for that info |
| 14:22.56 | abrotman | sensors ... |
| 14:23.12 | Zharf | I always just use acpi -V ;) |
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| 14:24.15 | j0lz | can i add a second device in network/interfaces like eth1 |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:25.32 | OpenTokix | j0lz: do you want to add an extra ip, or a whole other interface?? |
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| 14:26.31 | j0lz | OpenTokix, i just want to ssh into a vbox which has different lan address so i was thinking i could add an eth1 or something with the 192.168.2.x address |
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| 14:27.26 | Brigo | J0hnD0h, vbox = virtualbox? |
| 14:27.29 | zykotick9 | j0lz: your vbox is currently using NAT, if you want to get access from the outside world, change your vbox network settings - #vbox might be able to help with that. |
| 14:27.45 | rgammans | jOlz: are you try to ssh from host to guest? or something more complex. |
| 14:28.48 | j0lz | zykotick9, it's on the same machine its just the host is 192.168.2.x and the machine is 10.0.3.x |
| 14:29.07 | zykotick9 | j0lz: that 10.0.x.x is vbox NAT... |
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| 14:29.57 | j0lz | zykotick9, i suppose i could try putting something in hosts |
| 14:30.41 | zykotick9 | j0lz: to allow connections from the outside, to your VM, you need to change how your VM is networking... again #vbox might be able to help with this. |
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| 14:31.23 | arvy_ | brigo: I don't understand one thing. If I unistalled network-manager completely, where is my network config now, /etc/network/interfaces contains just lo interface. But ifconfig shows eth0, lo and eth0 working fine :/ |
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| 14:31.55 | zykotick9 | arvy_: add eth0 settings to your interfaces file... you need to set it up. |
| 14:31.56 | j0lz | zykotick9, i don't understand what you mean by outside ... i am connected here right now |
| 14:32.07 | Brigo | arvy_, becuase you configured them already. Try to reboot and see :) |
| 14:32.20 | j0lz | my vbox is using the same router and internet connection |
| 14:32.20 | rgammans | j0lz - If ping the debian box from the windows doesn't work got to #vbox, If I've understood you env correctly. It's a windows/Vbox issue. Nothing you can do the debian setup will help. You need to change the vbox or windows setting. |
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| 14:33.47 | arvy_ | brigo: yes, I restarted network, and it works fine. But why /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't have eth0 configs?? |
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| 14:34.17 | Brigo | arvy_, i dont know. :-m |
| 14:34.18 | arvy_ | Brigo: where are eth0 configs then? I don't understand that part :/ |
| 14:34.31 | arvy_ | brigo: interesting :) |
| 14:34.45 | Brigo | arvy_, well may be we can see the logs. |
| 14:34.46 | kbr | part |
| 14:34.55 | SURKITZ | Hi All, I'm having trouble trying to install an NetGear WNDA3200 (Atheros) USB wireless WiFi adapter |
| 14:34.56 | zykotick9 | arvy_: you need to manually add the settings to interfaces... |
| 14:35.01 | kbr | lol |
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| 14:35.11 | SURKITZ | http://pastebin.com/Em5ejiwU |
| 14:35.34 | SURKITZ | Thats my OLD config setup, now I have a fresh image to play with on another sd card |
| 14:35.57 | arvy_ | zykotick9: ok, but why eth0 works fine now, when it is not defined in /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 14:36.12 | SURKITZ | Can anyone help? so far I have failed, tried googleing, forums, wiki, but no joy |
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| 14:36.31 | arvy_ | zykotick9: how it works, how does it know settings for eth0 when they are not configured :/ |
| 14:36.33 | zykotick9 | arvy_: N-M is probably still managing it? or you've manually used ifconfig/ip to temporarily set it up? |
| 14:36.39 | Brigo | SURKITZ, the wifi looks good. |
| 14:37.10 | Brigo | SURKITZ, what the problem? |
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| 14:37.28 | SURKITZ | Im told that you cant have both together because eth will always override wlan |
| 14:37.36 | arvy_ | zykotick9:network-maneger is unistalled, I will install wicd-kde soon. but out of curiosity I just want to know, what is managing my eth0 settings now. :D |
| 14:37.37 | babilen | SURKITZ: I already told you that raspbian is not supported here |
| 14:37.54 | SURKITZ | sorry |
| 14:38.03 | SURKITZ | just still having problems |
| 14:38.44 | SURKITZ | 4 days I been trying to fix this, 4 days! Ive exhausted all resources, google, forums, wiki, etc.. |
| 14:39.43 | babilen | SURKITZ: So ask in #raspbian. This channel quite intentionally only supports Debian |
| 14:39.53 | SURKITZ | its not like ive sat on me bum and naff all like, ive tried for soooo many hours, theres so many geeks here that are super clever but none can help |
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| 14:41.06 | babilen | SURKITZ: I am sorry and I can understand your frustration, but you'd be well advised to start in the right channel. There is also a very active ##linux channel if #raspbian can't help. Some of the most active people in #debian are also in #raspbian so please accept our channel policy. Thank you. |
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| 14:41.59 | SURKITZ | ok sorry and thanks |
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| 14:42.28 | SURKITZ | I'm guessing your knowledge is limited too, sorry for asking just curious? |
| 14:42.52 | SURKITZ | ill give them another try |
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| 14:54.38 | arvy | Brigo: I installed wicd-kde and it does take noticeable amount of time to reconnect (~5-10 seconds) but I can wait that much, for the convenience with wifi network management via GUI I think |
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| 14:59.56 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I wrote a script that updates my TFTP server with the latest Debian netboot and packs in a couple other packages (like xfsprogs.) Right now, the script has hard-coded version numbers of the debian packages it downloads. |
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| 15:00.17 | Pegasus_RPG | How can I get it to dynamically use whatever version is in current stable? |
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| 15:01.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Put another way, how can I find the current stable version number of a given package? |
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| 15:01.27 | Pegasus_RPG | e.g. '3.1.7+b1' for xfsprogs |
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| 15:12.56 | muculus | I need a consultation, We have data center in IRAN, and we want to allocate some resources(some servers) to contribute some open source projects, for example we want to provide a debian repository with dak, php package and documentation mirror. I want your suggestion that what else project is good to contribute this way? |
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| 15:13.56 | monkwitdafunk | you may be missing packages when upgrading a linux box with the packages that are newer. does that sound right? |
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| 15:15.00 | monkwitdafunk | Pegasus_RPG, are you using synaptic package manager? what other software outside of repositories? |
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| 15:15.54 | monkwitdafunk | hi muculus |
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| 15:16.14 | muculus | monkwitdafunk: hi |
| 15:16.23 | zophy | muculus, hi |
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| 15:17.19 | muculus | zophy: hi |
| 15:17.30 | monkwitdafunk | i think the right hardware for the sell price and full duplex point to point ethernet |
| 15:18.31 | monkwitdafunk | why not dedicate your network using refurbished hardware |
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| 15:20.25 | muculus | monkwitdafunk: zophy : only hi? |
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| 15:20.58 | monkwitdafunk | muculus, sorry. just have old hardware that uses the bittorrent protocol |
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| 15:21.27 | Pegasus_RPG | monkwitdafunk: no, just wget |
| 15:21.57 | Pegasus_RPG | and the packages I'm using are in the repos, they just aren't normally part of the netboot initrd |
| 15:22.21 | monkwitdafunk | what commands after wget? |
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| 15:23.09 | komugi | url for the file you want to get |
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| 15:24.13 | monkwitdafunk | do you need to change runlevels Pegasus_RPG ? |
| 15:24.37 | Pegasus_RPG | no, I'm preparing a netboot image |
| 15:25.17 | monkwitdafunk | i get confused what a netboot image is. a netboot image is not for pxe booting correct? |
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| 15:26.19 | monkwitdafunk | but the operating systems resources are still over a network from a thin client |
| 15:26.26 | Pegasus_RPG | monkwitdafunk: my wget is wget -nv -N http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfsprogs/xfsprogs_3.1.7+b1_$1.deb |
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| 15:26.38 | Pegasus_RPG | ($1 is currently the arch e.g. amd64) |
| 15:26.49 | monkwitdafunk | oh. i have your answer |
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| 15:27.04 | Pegasus_RPG | I basically want to auto-detect the '3.1.7+b1' part |
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| 15:27.43 | monkwitdafunk | use your web search engine to find the link from packages.debian.org to download from your web browser, sudo dpkg -i the package |
| 15:27.43 | Pegasus_RPG | I suppose I could just grab the latest in the repo, but it would be nice to grab whatever's latest in _stable_ instead of just in the dir |
| 15:28.00 | wols | Pegasus_RPG: apg-cache search xfsprogs |grep Version |
| 15:28.01 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh I know how to do it manually, I just want to automate it |
| 15:28.04 | monkwitdafunk | you may have to install as a tarball |
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| 15:29.02 | Pegasus_RPG | wols: oh good idea, except my apt-cache search doesn't return version #s |
| 15:29.08 | monkwitdafunk | generate a package download script. automate downloads. dpkg to install entire filesystem with packages |
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| 15:29.37 | wols | Pegasus_RPG: it does. I just told you. a little more sed and it certainly will |
| 15:30.06 | Pegasus_RPG | no I mean 'apt-cache search xfsprogs' just returns lines like: xfsprogs - Utilities for managing the XFS filesystem |
| 15:30.09 | repxl | remember me option is just a hash created from user and password that is stored into a cookie ? and into db and it's checked when the page loads if the hash equals with db and it's log you in automatically |
| 15:30.12 | wols | Pegasus_RPG: no it does not |
| 15:30.13 | repxl | ? |
| 15:30.23 | wols | Pegasus_RPG: at least not when you use it the way I showed you |
| 15:30.24 | repxl | oh wrong channel |
| 15:30.36 | Pegasus_RPG | is using Stable's apt-cache if that matters |
| 15:30.52 | wols | it doesn't matter. apt-cache SHOW shows you a version number |
| 15:31.21 | Pegasus_RPG | wols: oh perfect that works, thank you!! |
| 15:31.29 | monkwitdafunk | Pegasus_RPG, are you setting up a ready to go thin client? |
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| 15:46.10 | arvy | OK, so I try to install Bluetooth on my Debian Wheezy KDE and here is what happens http://paste.debian.net/87846/ it says it will install it but remove 21 packages. Last time a few days ago, I accidentaly removed whole KDE DE packages! no kidding |
| 15:46.30 | arvy | Is it save to install now, and have these 21 packages removed? |
| 15:47.01 | arvy | *Last time a few days ago, while installing a package I accidentaly removed whole KDE DE packages! |
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| 15:47.43 | wols | arvy: doesn't look like anything important |
| 15:49.40 | martin-_-_ | greetings, since 2 weeks or so my debian sid doesn't use the fan at my notebook. |
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| 15:54.51 | arvy | wols: ok, but I'm still cautious. why it has to delete these packages, what if I need them. for example usb-modeswitch or modemmanager or anything else in the list :/ |
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| 15:55.48 | wols | cause there is a conflict somewhere |
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| 15:55.57 | alanjf | Ok, I've run into an odd problem. I'm trying ot install MATE and I'm seeing "mate-menus : Depends: python:any (>= 2.7)" but apt-get says "python is already the newest version." when I try to install python, and dpkg -l python says I have "2.7.3-4+deb7u1", so I'm rather confused and Google hasn't helped. |
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| 15:56.37 | Sbroker | Hi from Spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 15:58.43 | blubberdiblub | alanjf, what's the actual error message when you try to install mate? |
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| 16:10.17 | alanjf | blubberdiblub: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b82a8f59/ |
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| 16:22.27 | alanjf | Any ideas? |
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| 16:22.43 | socomm | ideas on what? |
| 16:22.58 | alanjf | ""Ok, I've run into an odd problem. I'm trying ot install MATE and I'm seeing "mate-menus : Depends: python:any (>= 2.7)" but apt-get says "python is already the newest version." when I try to install python, and dpkg -l python says I have "2.7.3-4+deb7u1", so I'm rather confused and Google hasn't helped."" |
| 16:23.07 | alanjf | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b82a8f59/ |
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| 16:23.37 | socomm | alanjf: have you tried cinnamon? |
| 16:23.59 | socomm | alanjf: in my experience MATE is more resource heavy than cinnamon |
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| 16:24.36 | wols | ,v mate-menus |
| 16:24.38 | judd | Package: mate-menus on i386 -- jessie: 1.6.0-1; sid: 1.8.0-1 |
| 16:25.26 | wols | alanjf: you seem to mix non-debian with debian |
| 16:25.57 | alanjf | wols: I've been only installing Wheezy packages though. |
| 16:26.04 | alanjf | I found this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce5ed72c/ |
| 16:26.16 | wols | ,v mate-desktop-environment |
| 16:26.18 | judd | No package named 'mate-desktop-environment' was found in i386. |
| 16:26.26 | wols | so this doesn't look like debian at all |
| 16:26.38 | ompaul | ,v libfontconfig1 |
| 16:26.40 | judd | Package: libfontconfig1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.8.0-2.1; wheezy: 2.9.0-7.1; jessie: 2.11.0-2; sid: 2.11.0-5 |
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| 16:26.59 | wols | alanjf: apt-cache policy |
| 16:27.04 | ompaul | !bat |
| 16:27.04 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:27.05 | alanjf | http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 16:27.12 | alanjf | I'm using that repo for MATE |
| 16:27.19 | alanjf | I mean what's described there |
| 16:27.22 | ompaul | alanjf: that's not debian |
| 16:27.29 | socomm | alanjf: isn't mate in the default debian repos? |
| 16:27.31 | alanjf | IT describes exactly for wheezy |
| 16:27.33 | wols | then I suggest to ask them, why their stuff doesn't install on wheezy. and frm the versions it requres, it looks like it doesn't work on wheezy |
| 16:27.48 | ompaul | ,v mate |
| 16:27.49 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 16:27.54 | ompaul | wopps |
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| 16:27.58 | alanjf | ,v ^mate |
| 16:27.59 | ompaul | there ain't one |
| 16:28.00 | judd | No package named '^mate' was found in i386. |
| 16:28.14 | ompaul | alanjf: for wheezy and from wheezy are not the same thing |
| 16:28.19 | blubberdiblub | ,v mate-desktop |
| 16:28.20 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- jessie: 1.6.2-1; sid: 1.8.0+dfsg1-3 |
| 16:28.28 | ompaul | so there ain't one |
| 16:28.37 | alanjf | ,v mate-core |
| 16:28.38 | judd | No package named 'mate-core' was found in i386. |
| 16:28.39 | socomm | I guess not. |
| 16:28.49 | ompaul | alanjf: so talk to the mate people |
| 16:28.58 | ompaul | their problem not debian's |
| 16:29.11 | ompaul | mate for wheezy does not exist inside debian |
| 16:29.21 | socomm | alanjf: yes, its the package maintainers problem |
| 16:29.28 | socomm | alanjf: you'll need to talk to them, this might be ab ug |
| 16:30.06 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, since yesterday's updates on my amd64 jessie (testing) tab auto-completion for bash is not working properly :/ |
| 16:30.21 | socomm | ToApolytoXaos: what changed? |
| 16:30.33 | ToApolytoXaos | for example, when i try to auto complete a string within double quotes is not doing anything |
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| 16:31.20 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: apt-cache policy bash-completion gives you want? |
| 16:31.30 | ompaul | s/want/what/g |
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| 16:31.42 | alanjf | ompaul: but everything I've found online says it should work, that I shouldn't be getting those errors, but nontheless it seems to want a newer libfontconfig1, libpango-1.0-0, libpangocairo-1.0-0, and libpangoft2-1.0-0 libs |
| 16:31.43 | ToApolytoXaos | let me check |
| 16:31.44 | alanjf | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce5ed72c/ |
| 16:31.55 | ompaul | alanjf: are you still here? |
| 16:31.59 | alanjf | ? |
| 16:32.11 | ompaul | alanjf: we told you this is not a debian problem |
| 16:32.17 | alanjf | Please see that link and read what I wrote. |
| 16:32.27 | ompaul | alanjf: they made the package, there is no mate for debian |
| 16:32.33 | alanjf | Well, actually it kind of is. It's just that wheezy is using older versions of those libs |
| 16:32.37 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/87852/ |
| 16:32.46 | ompaul | alanjf: eh NO |
| 16:33.17 | alanjf | ompaul: Well, there have been third party debs and repos for a long time, this isn't anything new. |
| 16:33.39 | alanjf | I can't believe I'm the first person to ask about this sort of thing. |
| 16:33.40 | ompaul | alanjf: and when they don't work we have no idea how they built them |
| 16:33.48 | mtn | alanjf: and they have never been supported here in this channel |
| 16:33.48 | ompaul | and when they work |
| 16:33.51 | ompaul | we still don't know |
| 16:33.58 | ompaul | alanjf: it is like the following |
| 16:34.01 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 16:34.01 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:34.16 | ompaul | alanjf: just a slightly different version |
| 16:34.24 | ompaul | alanjf: asking does not change the reality |
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| 16:34.45 | alanjf | ompaul: My I am using the DEbian distro, Wheezy 7.4, right from the DVDs (3 set) |
| 16:34.48 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: so, I'm running SID that that version sits in here quite nicely so something else is the problem |
| 16:34.54 | alanjf | (installed from that is.) |
| 16:35.05 | ompaul | alanjf: and you didn't stick with debian software from those DVDs |
| 16:35.18 | ompaul | alanjf: what part of Not Made Here doesn't stick |
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| 16:35.39 | alanjf | ompaul: So I'm only allowed to use what Debian provides? |
| 16:35.39 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 16:35.39 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 16:36.00 | ompaul | alanjf: no, but if you use other stuff please ask those people what they did wrong. |
| 16:36.26 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, OK thanks. can you please open your terminal as a normal user and press tab twice and tell me if it gives you an error? |
| 16:36.29 | ompaul | we do debian support, we don't support ubuntu gnentoo |
| 16:36.46 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: I tested it before I made the claim ;-) |
| 16:37.02 | alanjf | ompaul: I know and I understand that. All I'm saying is all the searching indicates that it should be working. I guess the MATE repo maintainers updated their packages to require some newer libs than what Wheezy comes with. |
| 16:37.20 | alanjf | ompaul: Again, I do understand that. |
| 16:37.22 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, :/ i'm not the only one that deals this issue |
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| 16:37.44 | socomm | alanjf: there is a #mate channel |
| 16:37.45 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1203124.html |
| 16:37.56 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: do the following please, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:38.05 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: no pinning allowed |
| 16:38.18 | ToApolytoXaos | i did so already |
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| 16:38.58 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: please provide all your /etc/sources/apt files contents let's start there |
| 16:39.00 | ompaul | thahnks |
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| 16:39.18 | Z_God | I'm trying to build a debian package, but I'm having trouble with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 16:39.24 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 16:39.25 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 16:39.35 | grache28 | hi - there's no ifconfig in debian 6 - is there an easy way to see my ip? |
| 16:39.38 | Z_God | it says it sees missing files, but when I look at the mentioned directory, they are actually there |
| 16:39.53 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, contents of all apt files or ...? |
| 16:39.56 | Z_God | anyone any idea how dpkg-buildpackage looks for its files? |
| 16:40.15 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: sorry I'll be more specific, sources.list files |
| 16:40.20 | ToApolytoXaos | ah ok |
| 16:40.31 | dutchfish | grache28, are you root while casting ifconfig? |
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| 16:40.51 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/87854/ |
| 16:41.02 | dutchfish | grache28, (or sudoer) |
| 16:41.03 | zykotick9 | grache28: fyi, /sbin/ifconfig might work for ya as regular user. |
| 16:41.10 | grache28 | ahh |
| 16:41.12 | grache28 | jas |
| 16:41.26 | socomm | grache28: 'ip addr' |
| 16:41.41 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: do you intend to make your box stable jessie at some stage? |
| 16:41.49 | ToApolytoXaos | nope |
| 16:42.03 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: so get rid of the lines named |
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| 16:42.12 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: so get rid of the lines named jessie |
| 16:42.27 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: so I have no idea what that mate stuff does to your debian |
| 16:42.57 | ToApolytoXaos | it's for mate desktop until the teams fully move its packages to debian repositories |
| 16:42.58 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: as you may have seen from my interaction with alanjf that applies to your box |
| 16:43.16 | ToApolytoXaos | no, i haven't paid much attention to others' conversations |
| 16:43.20 | dutchfish | mumbles there is no bug in debian stable bashcompletion, but there is one/was in testing/sid |
| 16:43.32 | ompaul | dutchfish: not here there ain't |
| 16:43.44 | ompaul | has run sid for many years |
| 16:43.55 | ompaul | I never seem to get this problem |
| 16:44.34 | anonnumberanon | What does it mean when the icon of an .ISO image suddenly shows a little red X on it? |
| 16:44.43 | dutchfish | only on play newly opened console, not kde's/gnome's version of it |
| 16:44.45 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, maybe i should reinstall it? |
| 16:44.50 | ToApolytoXaos | this way it could fix some issues? |
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| 16:46.00 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: the official way to install is to do stable, and then apt-get dist-upgrade to right now, having done that you remove -updates and security repos - don't involve outside influences |
| 16:46.14 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: that's if you feel comfortable with testing |
| 16:46.16 | ToApolytoXaos | i removed them as soon as you suggested |
| 16:46.57 | alanjf | Could someone please explain what the difference between GNOME and "GNOME Classic" is, because thye both look the same to me when I login using each. |
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| 16:47.31 | ToApolytoXaos | alanjf, it's simple; your system does not support hardware acceleration and drops to classic by default |
| 16:47.44 | ToApolytoXaos | else, you would have a desktop looking like a smartphone UI |
| 16:47.49 | socomm | alanjf: I'd wager a guess that gnome classic does without hardware acceleration |
| 16:48.02 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, a red X can apear when it was formerly loop mounted and the mount broke, there are others as well all involving errors inside the iso mostly |
| 16:48.07 | alanjf | ToApolytoXaos: Ah |
| 16:48.51 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: if you have several issues sometimes a clean restart with your home backed up is the best way to go forward, I don't know if you have other stuff sitting in there - but I doubt it. |
| 16:48.55 | alanjf | ToApolytoXaos: wait, 3D acceration is /required/ for a /more simple/ "cell phone" UI ? |
| 16:49.02 | alanjf | s/cell phone/smartphone/ |
| 16:49.16 | anonnumberanon | Are you implying ISOs can be modified? I have been running it as live CD inside Virtual Box dutchfish . |
| 16:49.18 | socomm | alanjf: what does smartphone have to do with gnome? |
| 16:49.30 | ToApolytoXaos | alanjf: ask Gnome, not me lol |
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| 16:49.57 | socomm | anonnumberanon: an 'X' means the ISO is unmounted, or missing |
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| 16:50.06 | ToApolytoXaos | alanjf, i use XFCE 4.10 and Mint; i'm quite pleased to be honest |
| 16:50.08 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, i am implying nothing, just telling you what could be the issue involved. Others are HD defects or defects of the FS |
| 16:50.35 | alanjf | socomm: I was referring to "<ToApolytoXaos> else, you would have a desktop looking like a smartphone UI" |
| 16:50.46 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: that's not debian same rules apply it's not going to get you a working debian system we don't know what the delta is |
| 16:50.46 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, an ISO can be altered only on reconstruct normally |
| 16:51.13 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, md5sum is your friend |
| 16:51.22 | ompaul | dutchfish: no it's my friend ;-) |
| 16:51.29 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 16:51.31 | ompaul | hides again |
| 16:51.38 | anonnumberanon | ompaul, stand down! |
| 16:51.58 | ompaul | wow an order |
| 16:52.28 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, what delta? |
| 16:52.42 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: the delta between mint and debian |
| 16:52.56 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: if there wasn't one there would be no mint |
| 16:52.56 | ToApolytoXaos | sorry i'm not following you |
| 16:53.09 | ompaul | <ToApolytoXaos> alanjf, i use XFCE 4.10 and Mint; i'm quite pleased to be honest |
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| 16:53.16 | anonnumberanon | dutchfish, you're right I should have done md5sum. |
| 16:53.30 | anonnumberanon | I'm not comfortable with those operations yet. |
| 16:53.31 | ToApolytoXaos | i meant switching from one to another based on desire |
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| 16:53.49 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, also check syslog for that kind of errors or FS errors on boot |
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| 16:54.57 | zykotick9 | anonnumberanon: i'd check the permission/ownership of that iso file (to start with) |
| 16:55.13 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: ah |
| 16:55.43 | anonnumberanon | Okay thanks I'll write up a self-request to learn those things. |
| 16:56.21 | anonnumberanon | Gonna be doing a bunch of shell scripting self-ed today so I'll include that. |
| 16:56.28 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: (back up your date) get the netinstall stable wire up the box and do a base install (not a desktop), dist-upgrade to testing, then install task-select and the install a desktop after that install read about it first |
| 16:56.44 | dutchfish | anonnumberanon, thats the spirit, good luck |
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| 16:57.28 | anonnumberanon | thanks dutchfish |
| 16:57.29 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, lol |
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| 16:57.39 | ToApolytoXaos | and all this fuss for bash-completion? |
| 16:57.43 | ompaul | s/date/data |
| 16:57.49 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: you asked about a reinstall |
| 16:57.54 | ToApolytoXaos | nope |
| 16:58.14 | ToApolytoXaos | to reinstall bash-completion, not the entire system |
| 16:58.14 | ompaul | [15/03/14 16:44:44] <ToApolytoXaos> ompaul, maybe i should reinstall it? |
| 16:58.21 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: you could do that |
| 16:58.23 | ompaul | :) |
| 16:58.25 | ToApolytoXaos | i did so |
| 16:58.30 | ToApolytoXaos | now it partially works |
| 16:58.42 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: you could dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:58.44 | ToApolytoXaos | it accepts tabs, but not with double quoted strings |
| 16:58.52 | ToApolytoXaos | oh i forgot about it |
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| 16:59.24 | alanjf | ToApolytoXaos: " <ToApolytoXaos> alanjf, i use XFCE 4.10 and Mint; i'm quite pleased to be honest " <-- I just installed xfce4 package and logged into it, I am liking it so far :) |
| 16:59.25 | ToApolytoXaos | ompaul, "bash: words: bad array subscript" |
| 16:59.40 | alanjf | ToApolytoXaos: I also understand there are many plugins for it make it very customizable. |
| 17:00.00 | ToApolytoXaos | alanjf, yes |
| 17:00.24 | ToApolytoXaos | did you install task-xfce-desktop? |
| 17:00.39 | ToApolytoXaos | if not, you should have done so in the first place to install the plugins you need |
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| 17:01.10 | ompaul | ToApolytoXaos: that is something like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16120155/bad-array-subscript |
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| 17:03.27 | alanjf | ToApolytoXaos: I'm installing task-xfce-desktop now |
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| 17:04.14 | houn_ | huh. X isn't starting today. |
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| 17:09.09 | houn | Huh. Evidentally I am bad at debian. |
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| 17:09.19 | houn | Somehow I apt autoremoved X? |
| 17:11.54 | ompaul | houn: what did you apt? |
| 17:12.00 | ompaul | i.e. what command |
| 17:12.12 | houn | I'm not sure, since it was a few days ago. |
| 17:12.20 | houn | I rebooted, and X was... gone. |
| 17:12.47 | houn | apt-get upgrade whined about a huge list of packages with unmet dependancies, had to start a -f to get things installing. |
| 17:12.52 | houn | *shrug* |
| 17:13.07 | houn | I probably messed up when I stepped up to jessie. |
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| 17:13.49 | jhutchins | houn: Possibly. |
| 17:14.16 | houn | Ok. |
| 17:14.21 | jhutchins | houn: Sounds like you're headed in the right direction. THat's testing. |
| 17:14.24 | houn | Now that is a sad square face. |
| 17:14.28 | ompaul | houn: start with this, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:14.40 | houn | "Oh no! Something has gone wrong." |
| 17:14.50 | houn | Yeah, ok, but what, sad screen box man? |
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| 17:15.13 | ompaul | houn: when that is running, please paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.debian.net |
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| 17:17.42 | houn | What does the "oh no" scrren? GDM? |
| 17:18.14 | wols | I don't know any "oh no" screen with sad faces at all. this sounds more like Apple OSX |
| 17:18.18 | houn | Yeah, that's gdm3 |
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| 17:19.24 | ompaul | houn: did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:19.31 | ompaul | yes / no / maybe? |
| 17:19.49 | houn | ompaul: Sorry, got distracted by the sad gdm error face. |
| 17:19.57 | houn | I just started the dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:20.21 | ompaul | houn: reboot after it |
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| 17:21.05 | houn | Yeah, it's upgrading a great many things. |
| 17:21.12 | houn | Though I ran this once already... |
| 17:21.15 | houn | hrm. |
| 17:22.30 | ompaul | houn: you most likely ran upgrade |
| 17:22.36 | jhutchins | houn: I'm not tracking testing, but it's not uncommon for a lot of the packages in it to change over time. If you don't do regular updates, you could face a lot at once. |
| 17:22.39 | ompaul | not dist-upgrade (that's my best guess) |
| 17:22.57 | houn | I distinctly remember running both. |
| 17:22.58 | jhutchins | houn: On the other hand, if you do upgrade regularly, you'll catch more of the broken packages. |
| 17:23.13 | houn | jhutchins: The install is like, 4 days old. :D |
| 17:23.32 | ompaul | houn: I guess you didn't do it the "right" way |
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| 17:23.43 | ompaul | houn: did you start with a stable install |
| 17:23.54 | houn | Yeah, I did a netinstall of wheezy. |
| 17:23.58 | jhutchins | Well, I've been running xfce for over a year now, I just did task-xfce-desktop on three different systems and got a LOT of packages. |
| 17:25.09 | houn | Done, reboot, gdm3'sssss cute little "something has gone wrong" is back, lol |
| 17:25.17 | houn | It really is mac-like. |
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| 17:25.50 | ompaul | houn: and do it one more time |
| 17:26.17 | ompaul | houn: until it doesn't upgrade / install anything |
| 17:26.24 | houn | Nothing to upgrade. HUGE autoremove list. |
| 17:26.28 | ompaul | do it |
| 17:26.34 | ompaul | they are packages from stable |
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| 17:27.30 | ompaul | houn: you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed y/n |
| 17:28.28 | houn | I'll check. |
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| 17:28.40 | houn | If you still wanted my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/87859/ |
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| 17:29.16 | ompaul | houn: do you intend on the box being "stable" jessie |
| 17:29.54 | houn | I have no intention, I'm just playing with it. |
| 17:30.03 | houn | Learning a new distro and all. |
| 17:30.53 | ompaul | houn: ok, some clues, there is a channel called #debian-next on OFTC - for those on testing / sid it is useful |
| 17:30.53 | houn | No, there is no firmware-linux-nonfree installed. |
| 17:31.25 | ompaul | houn: I add it by default to all installs I do these days (sadly) |
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| 17:32.20 | houn | ompaul: This is running in a VM; I'd hope I don't need non-free drivers for that. |
| 17:32.51 | mtn | houn: maybe you don't have 3d turned on in the vm |
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| 17:33.00 | ompaul | mtn: +1 |
| 17:33.07 | morato | +fuck you |
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| 17:33.51 | houn | Ok, xdm works. |
| 17:34.00 | houn | So it's purely gdm3 that's broken. |
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| 17:34.12 | ompaul | morato: how would we have known you cared |
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| 17:35.26 | wols | houn: which VM software? |
| 17:35.39 | houn | Virtualbox. |
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| 17:37.42 | morato | :ompaul sorry |
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| 17:47.49 | alanjf | Does anyone know where I can find fonts.cache-1 in debian wheezy? I don't see it anywhere under /usr/share/fonts |
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| 17:49.20 | alanjf | I'm trying to follow this guide, http://www.aboutlinux.info/2005/12/adding-windows-fonts-in-linux.html, but I don't get fonts.cache-1 ? |
| 17:50.47 | mtn | alanjf: the wiki might be helpful: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 17:55.02 | alanjf | mtn: Thanks. |
| 17:55.17 | mtn | alanjf: there is a windows font installer in the repos, too. yw |
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| 18:07.05 | alanjf | mtn: I know but I have many non-stock fonts on a windows machine that I wanted to import and I've succedded. |
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| 18:07.18 | alanjf | Now if I can figure out how to turn off anti-aliasing on certain fonts. |
| 18:07.22 | mtn | alanjf: nice that it worked |
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| 18:12.54 | jhutchins | In xfce (wheezy) I seem to have lost my start menu. How do I get it back? There's nothing likely under the "add items" menu. |
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| 18:13.40 | petar | i'm moving an old lenny installation to a new box and would like to install a recent kernel in order to get usb3 working for example.. what would be the efficient way to do that? |
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| 18:14.38 | wols | petar: tricky. udev might prevent a newer kernel |
| 18:14.55 | petar | wols: right you are.. hmm |
| 18:15.13 | petar | lenny was at 2.6.26.. thats really old |
| 18:15.40 | wols | there is a lenny 2.6.32 backports kernel |
| 18:15.46 | wols | http://archive.debian.net/lenny-backports/kernel/ |
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| 18:16.18 | jhutchins | I think 2.6.32 is what RHEL is running these days, so old is relative. |
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| 18:17.05 | petar | .31 got usb3 so .32 seems fine |
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| 18:18.20 | petar | thanks wols jhutchins |
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| 18:20.14 | petar | when was PAE made default in x86 kernels btw? |
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| 18:21.22 | Nik05 | The Linux kernel includes full PAE mode support starting with version 2.3.23, |
| 18:21.31 | Nik05 | - Wikipedia |
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| 18:22.42 | petar | thanks Nik05 but i was rather asking if the default debian kernel-image has PAE enabled |
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| 18:23.59 | Nik05 | what is the default debian kernel-image? |
| 18:24.15 | wols | ,kernels |
| 18:24.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc5-686-pae (3.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 18:24.17 | Nik05 | there is linux-image-486, 686 and 686-pae |
| 18:24.34 | petar | ah |
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| 18:24.57 | wols | Nik05: depends on what CPU you have. 486 is used for installation and the lowest common denominator. but if you have a more modern CPU, more modern than a pentium pro from 1995 you shouls use 686 |
| 18:25.21 | Nik05 | i know, i was just mentioning "default" kernels |
| 18:25.47 | wols | you asked a question. at least writings ending with "?" are questions in most places |
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| 18:26.27 | Nik05 | wols it was a question to petar, what he meant with default linux image |
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| 18:29.06 | petar | wols, archive seems to have .32-686-bigmem, joy |
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| 18:35.41 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:35.45 | Nik05 | hi |
| 18:36.08 | johnfg | I've had and used the lucida font pkg for some years over different debian versions. |
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| 18:36.39 | johnfg | It's installed for use with TeX/LaTeX now. But I'm not sure how to make it available for libreoffice. |
| 18:36.54 | johnfg | s/it/them/ |
| 18:37.09 | wols | ttf-mscorefonts-installer should do it |
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| 18:38.55 | johnfg | wols: So besides that pkg, which I'm installing, I'll use it to install my lucida ttf files, yes? |
| 18:40.12 | wols | yes it's an installer for the free to use MS fonts |
| 18:40.21 | johnfg | wols: As debconf is asking about where the directory is that holds the MS fonts, is there a standard recommended directory? |
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| 18:43.07 | wols | some X directory, but I dunno which offhand. yes it's standardized |
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| 18:53.42 | johnfg | wols: What do I have to do to make libreoffice see the MS ttf fonts that were just installed? |
| 18:53.45 | monsune | would you happen to know if 100mbit cisco firewall makes any sense? i mean can it protect the machine behind it against ddos attack that is stronger than 100mbit? or 100mbit means that anything over 100mbit would exhaust the fw and make the server unresponsive? |
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| 18:58.16 | kj4 | monsune 100mb would be it max theoretical throughput- which doesn't related to ddos |
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| 19:00.22 | romel | hello. is there any way to get uid/gid mapping work in debian ? |
| 19:03.34 | monsune | kj4 i'm still trying to understand that |
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| 19:07.11 | kj4 | monsune the 100MB refers to the max that it can pass- has nothing to do with what it will drop. |
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| 19:07.26 | monsune | kj4 did you mean that a hw fw can stop attacks bigger than 100mbit? |
| 19:07.41 | monsune | a 100mbit hw fw i mean |
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| 19:08.33 | monsune | like it can "pass tru" the data from/to server not faster than 100mbit but still can drop more? |
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| 19:14.25 | kj4 | monusune, correct- but its not configured to drop any packets destined for your webserver under normal circumstances. You can create rules to block the IP's that you find the ddos coming from, but the size of today's typical ddos typically don't allow that to be practical |
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| 19:17.37 | monsune | kj4 and what would happen in a typical scenerio of e.g. 10gbit udp flood? |
| 19:18.13 | monsune | would such fw handle that for me? just trying to estimate if cisco ASA would be any help |
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| 19:21.54 | jhutchins | monsune: What is the bandwidth of your uplink? |
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| 19:25.12 | kj4 | monsune, nope- won't help. Your ISP is going to nullroute you pretty quickly anyway. Check out cloudflare |
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| 19:26.55 | monsune | jhutchins my machine has 400mbit uplink |
| 19:28.00 | monsune | kj4 the ISP has a vacuum system... the thing is that it won't trigger in real time so i'm looking for a solution to stop the attack until ISP's anti-ddos kicks in |
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| 19:28.43 | monsune | they offer cisco ASA but i'm just not sure if it will be of any help while it is costly |
| 19:29.11 | monsune | and this isn't about webhosting so CF won't help |
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| 19:31.45 | kj4 | monsune: ok |
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| 19:32.05 | jhutchins | monsune: So you probably need a 1G unit - I don't think there's anything between 100M and 1G. |
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| 19:33.57 | kj4 | monsune: sounds like HA is your main concern, second internet provider in the budget? |
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| 19:34.20 | SURKITZ | Hey Babilen |
| 19:34.25 | SURKITZ | Great News! |
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| 19:34.28 | SURKITZ | :) |
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| 19:34.47 | jhutchins | monsune: With Cisco you do pay a permium for the name, but it's good hardware. |
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| 19:36.26 | jhutchins | Hey, there's one for $42K. |
| 19:36.49 | jhutchins | Fortinet - there's another for $78K. |
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| 19:38.59 | jhutchins | monsune: Looks like Juniper has some affordable units. |
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| 19:48.03 | neo1691 | Hi,I need to "xrdb .Xresources" everytime I reboot my laptop. It never used to happen before, I made some changes to my Xresources and it started happening. Here is my .Xresources http://paste.debian.net/87922/ |
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| 19:48.29 | jhutchins | neo1691: What release? |
| 19:48.38 | neo1691 | debian 7 wheezy 64 bit |
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| 19:53.20 | sssilver | Hey guys... env |grep PATH has /usr/local/lib in it, and libgphoto2.so.6 is in there, but when I run gphoto2, it says error while loading shared libraries: libgphoto2.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Can anyone help? Thanks! |
| 19:54.36 | alanjf | Ok why exactly are there no firefox or thunderbird packages in the debian repos? |
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| 19:54.48 | alanjf | Seems to be a glaring omition |
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| 19:55.12 | zykotick9 | !tell alanjf about why iceweasel |
| 19:55.12 | centrx | alanjf, They are renamed for licensing reasons. "iceweasel" and "icedove" |
| 19:55.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell alanjf about iceweasel |
| 19:55.42 | alanjf | zykotick9: I know about iceweasel, but I also want to install the genuine firefox and thunderbird programs. |
| 19:55.50 | babilen | alanjf: You probably want to install a new version from http://mozilla.debian.net if you are on wheezy |
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| 19:56.06 | alanjf | yes I'm on 7.4 |
| 19:56.08 | babilen | alanjf: icweasel *is* firefox (modulo the name) |
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| 19:56.51 | alanjf | centrx: for licensing reasons? I've never heard of any other distro renaming them. What licesning could possible call for a rename? I mean wtf. |
| 19:57.17 | babilen | alanjf: It is discussed on wikipedia among a lot of other places. |
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| 19:58.28 | alanjf | Seems rather silly to me. Everywhere else it's known as firefox and thunderbird. All that this is good for is causing unnecessary fragmentation and confusion, if aeveral forums I've hit via google are any indication. |
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| 19:59.57 | tremon | alanjf: it's not licensing, it's trademark. Mozilla won't allow debian to maintain its own security releases and still call it firefox |
| 20:00.01 | Brigo | sssilver, man ldcofig |
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| 20:00.04 | Brigo | sssilver, man ldconfig |
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| 20:01.42 | centrx | alanjf, You should be annoyed at Mozilla for using dumb trademark terms no one else does |
| 20:02.10 | TuxFighter | Hi, is there any way to swap/invert audiochannels via a script or GUI, when using my TV for video output ? the corresponding chip is an internal soundchip (intel-hd). |
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| 20:03.15 | SURKITZ | Hey Babilen ? |
| 20:03.21 | alanjf | tremon: I'm not sure I understand. Mozilla doesn't want distros to distribute security patches/updates ? |
| 20:04.26 | alanjf | I thought Mozilla would want to work with as many as possible to make things as security and stable as possible, no? Seems like pointless squabbaling. |
| 20:05.13 | dondelelcaro | alanjf: it's basically the same thing, it just has a different name |
| 20:05.47 | centrx | alanjf, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ |
| 20:05.56 | tremon | alanjf: https://lwn.net/Articles/118268/ -- and yes, Mozilla doesn't want distro's to apply non-mozilla approved (security) patches |
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| 20:12.39 | babilen | SURKITZ: Yes? |
| 20:12.51 | SURKITZ | I fixed it! :) |
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| 20:13.05 | SURKITZ | I have the solution to share too |
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| 20:13.56 | SURKITZ | Its a solution someone else documented and it works 100% every time, I tested it over and over blowing away sd cards one after another and it worked |
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| 20:14.05 | babilen | SURKITZ: Yes, but this is still a #raspbian issue ;) -- You are really insisting on using #debian. But well, shoot now, but take future questions to #raspbian and keep them there. (seriously) |
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| 20:14.30 | SURKITZ | I think it would be a good idea if you stuck it on your forums maybe |
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| 20:15.11 | jeffno | anybody running Wine on unstable? |
| 20:15.16 | SURKITZ | I will do I just wanted to let you know too |
| 20:15.31 | SURKITZ | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TZUCrLX5VnlHDCmrMFW7jj5hiED7FkMchHHUmzaXwfs/edit |
| 20:15.51 | SURKITZ | That was the guide I followed and it worked just for a heads up on it |
| 20:15.55 | babilen | SURKITZ: I am on #raspbian too, but seriously. Take it there. Please. |
| 20:16.31 | SURKITZ | but thank you for your help though earlier, appreciate it very much, your a good soldier, thanks :) |
| 20:16.32 | Ryan52 | I've observed a case where a reported filesystem's usage is far greater than that reported by df, and I presume this is due to files which were deleted on disk but are still open by some running process. Does anybody have any idea what these are called (so I can form a proper google) or the general process to debug such an issue? I'm sure it's a bug in something, I just need to figure out how to investigate what. |
| 20:16.40 | SURKITZ | ok sorry will do |
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| 20:18.13 | trampel | Ryan52: perhaps: man lsof ? |
| 20:19.38 | Ryan52 | trampel: I'll look over it again, I didn't see an option the first time but you're right, it's gotta be in there.. thanks. |
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| 20:20.50 | trampel | Ryan52: hope it helps. try piping lsof output to grep to winnow down the suspects |
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| 20:25.07 | peter123_ | I'm using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage to create a simple package with one script destined for /usr/bin/hello but the final .deb file does not contain this script. Why? |
| 20:25.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell peter123_ -about mentors |
| 20:25.36 | babilen | peter123_: Make sure it is listed in debian/PKG.install |
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| 20:26.04 | peter123_ | babilen: What about "mentors"? |
| 20:26.06 | babilen | peter123_: Also read "man 1 dh_install" and ask further questions in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net please |
| 20:26.12 | Ryan52 | trampel: oh wow, yeah I forgot that the normal output would actually list them with (deleted) by it, thanks for the hint. There's a lot of moving parts on this server, so a quick skim didn't easily reveal that, but I found all the problems now! :) |
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| 20:26.18 | babilen | peter123_: Read the private message our bot send you in private |
| 20:26.28 | babilen | (uuh, so private) |
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| 20:28.46 | trampel | Ryan52: probably some multi-threaded virtual java web database server process ... it usually is [wink] |
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| 20:37.37 | peter123_ | babilen: there doesn't seem to be anyone active in debian-mentors |
| 20:37.40 | slidesinger-ss | Working my way through the manpage for synaptics trying to figure out which parameter(s) will completely disable all scroll, tap, and drag functions, if someone knows what they are. |
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| 20:39.01 | babilen | peter123_: and my advice doesnt help either? |
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| 20:39.51 | peter123_ | I can see the note about package.install in man 1 dh_install but adding the wildcard to this file doesn't seem to make the package build properly |
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| 20:45.46 | dokma | Can anyone tell me why this install won't boot: http://pastebin.com/3XFqZWhE |
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| 20:46.06 | dokma | It's Debian stable on a Kimsufi machine with debootstrap on LVM on RAID 1 |
| 20:46.26 | dokma | the entire install is on pastebin |
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| 20:46.41 | dokma | any additional info will I gladly provide |
| 20:46.53 | dokma | I've been struggling with this machine for the past week |
| 20:46.53 | ttyS1 | How can I remove a user from being listed by the GDM3 greeter ? I edited /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and enabled: IncludeAll = false Include = user but the user still shows in the login screen |
| 20:46.56 | dokma | nothing I put on it boots |
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| 20:51.39 | dokma | any smart ideas how to detect why a remote server won't boot |
| 20:51.53 | dokma | I don't think it get's to mounting file systems so nothing in logs... |
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| 20:55.36 | Sbroker | Hi from spain julandrones anglo hablantes |
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| 20:57.53 | Brigo | dokma, bootlogd? |
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| 20:58.15 | dokma | Brigo, I think that goes into play only after disks are mounted |
| 20:58.22 | babilen | Sbroker: This is still an English speaking channel. And there is no need to repeat this every single day. If you require help then ask a question. If not then remain silent. Thank you .. chat and socialising happens in #debian-offtopic and not in the main support channel. |
| 20:58.31 | Brigo | dokma, yes, sorry. |
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| 20:59.09 | Brigo | dokma, so you cant configure it? |
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| 20:59.40 | dokma | well so far I've done several deboostrap installs on LVM on RAID 1 |
| 20:59.43 | dokma | and none booted |
| 20:59.59 | dokma | I've even done one on plain partitions and not even that booted |
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| 21:01.03 | Brigo | dokma, do you know in which step fails? |
| 21:01.26 | dokma | well... there's my problem |
| 21:01.32 | dokma | the machine is in a datacenter in France |
| 21:01.34 | Brigo | i see :-m |
| 21:01.35 | dokma | I'm in Croatia |
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| 21:01.53 | jmcnaught | dokma: erros starting on line 1225 of your paste might be relevant |
| 21:01.58 | Konata | does anyone here use the dalhousie university deb mirror? |
| 21:02.01 | Brigo | dokma, can you access other computer in the datacenter? |
| 21:02.20 | Brigo | paste? what paste? |
| 21:02.28 | dokma | jmcnaught, that's just missing locale config |
| 21:02.33 | dokma | I've fixed that afterwards |
| 21:02.40 | dokma | but it should not inhibit the boot |
| 21:02.56 | jmcnaught | dokma: sorry 1231 about installing grub to partitionless disk |
| 21:02.56 | dokma | Brigo, this is the pastebin of the entire install http://pastebin.com/3XFqZWhE |
| 21:03.21 | dokma | jmcnaught, that one was because I've selected sda sdb and md0 for grub installation |
| 21:03.34 | dokma | the md0 caused the error |
| 21:03.42 | dokma | but grub installs just fine on sda and sdb |
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| 21:03.55 | dokma | I can recheck that one though since it is relevant |
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| 21:04.00 | Brigo | dokma, i asking for the machine to send the logs via network. |
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| 21:04.17 | dokma | Brigo, how do you mean? |
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| 21:04.47 | Brigo | system can log via network to other system |
| 21:05.13 | Brigo | so you can see something |
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| 21:05.35 | dokma | Brigo, during grub stage? |
| 21:05.41 | dokma | that would be awesome!!! |
| 21:06.02 | Brigo | i am not sure about grub, but initramfs stage may be ... |
| 21:06.55 | dokma | let me google that |
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| 21:07.04 | dokma | you got any pointers on that? |
| 21:07.41 | slidesinger-ss | Seems like all the docs I can find online are all about ENABLING the tap, scroll, and drag functions. Quite frankly, my problem is that those features keep interfering with my typing ability, which is poor enough as it is. I catch it with the edge of my palm or my thumb and suddenly on a completely different place in the document or spreadsheet that I'm working on. Does anyone know which parameter(s) I need to turn off? |
| 21:09.02 | DrPossum | while i agree with her message, i don't agree with the presentation |
| 21:09.10 | DrPossum | sorry, mt |
| 21:09.25 | slidesinger-ss | Not only that, but the option = boolean stuff in the manpage, I get errors for "off" "false" and "0" when I put it into the synaptics.conf file, killing X |
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| 21:10.16 | Brigo | dokma, rsyslog can do it |
| 21:10.20 | trampel | slidesinger-ss: perhaps: synclient -l ? |
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| 21:12.22 | slidesinger-ss | trampel: Thanks.... that at least lets me know what parameters are enabled on this stupid thing. |
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| 21:13.10 | trampel | slidesinger-ss: then try: synclient TouchpadOff=1 |
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| 21:15.26 | Brigo | dokma bootlogd kept logs in memory until the disk is accesible. |
| 21:15.48 | Brigo | dokma, so if you mount discks you will get logs |
| 21:16.14 | dokma | I've found something about early ssh |
| 21:16.20 | dokma | where you can ssh into initramfs |
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| 21:19.00 | Brigo | dokma, mmm, interesting |
| 21:19.26 | dokma | I might be able to set that up and see where it stops |
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| 21:20.22 | slidesinger-ss | trampel: That does turn it on and off, the whole touchpad. I'm just trying to turn off scrolling. |
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| 21:23.25 | trampel | slidesinger-ss: possibly some combination of synclient VertEdgeScroll=0 HorizEdgeScroll=0 and/or other *Scroll parameters unknown (to me) |
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| 21:26.11 | slidesinger-ss | trampel: Playing around with it now. This will certainly help with the figuring out bit. Once I have the parameters, it will be a piece of cake to add to synaptics.conf |
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| 21:27.18 | trampel | slidesinger-ss: also there is the option of placing a toggle on the touchpad disable via some unused keyboard key. cf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Software_toggle |
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| 21:30.04 | Quantum` | I have a real bad problem with all the pythons on my system. |
| 21:30.26 | Quantum` | I cannot install or remove python3-dbus. |
| 21:30.46 | Quantum` | And I can't remove most of the other python packages due to apt errors. |
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| 21:31.01 | Quantum` | I can't --reinstall. |
| 21:31.10 | slidesinger-ss | trampel: An interesting idea. Might do something like that for when I patch in a mouse. |
| 21:31.24 | Quantum` | Things somehow got really fscked up on this month's dist-upgrade. |
| 21:31.37 | slidesinger-ss | trampel: Thank you for your help. |
| 21:31.43 | Quantum` | Anyone else seen this? |
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| 21:31.59 | centrx | Quantum`, Confucius say, "Error message give more info than a thousand chats in IRC" |
| 21:31.59 | trampel | slidesinger-ss: hope it's useful |
| 21:32.18 | slidesinger-ss | Looks like it should be from what I'm doing so far. |
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| 21:33.02 | Quantum` | Here goes: https://pastee.org/q48zg |
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| 21:35.04 | Quantum` | What a freaking mess. Looks like I have to start all over. |
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| 21:36.12 | centrx | Quantum`, Try running dpkg --configure -a |
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| 21:36.37 | centrx | Quantum`, or dpkg --configure python3 |
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| 21:37.04 | Quantum` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.07 | gnugnu9 | How can I force csplit to output the files into a specific directory?: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/csplit.1.html |
| 21:37.10 | gnugnu9 | Is there a way? |
| 21:37.13 | gnugnu9 | (Except changing the cwd of course) |
| 21:37.28 | centrx | Quantum`, Try configuring that one :) |
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| 21:38.30 | Quantum` | A festivus of errors: https://pastee.org/bgauw |
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| 21:39.29 | Quantum` | https://pastee.org/v987v |
| 21:41.03 | Quantum` | Apparently there's no such thing as py3compile, and apt-cache can't find it either. |
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| 21:43.25 | Loudergood | Quantum`: it appears that it is supposed to be part of python3-minimal |
| 21:43.35 | Loudergood | using apt-file search |
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| 21:44.26 | ||oop | +----++++++++++++++- |
| 21:44.41 | Quantum` | ... which it won't let me install or deinstall. (first link) |
| 21:45.31 | Quantum` | Boy, Debian really screwed me somehow. |
| 21:45.38 | BugBite | in python3-defaults ? |
| 21:46.24 | BugBite | was my best guess |
| 21:46.29 | Quantum` | It can't find python3-defaults |
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| 21:49.16 | Quantum` | Looks like I'm completely fucked and have to start all over again. |
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| 21:49.26 | Quantum` | New install. Three days. |
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| 21:51.30 | centrx | Quantum`, What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 21:51.47 | Quantum` | Testing |
| 21:52.10 | Quantum` | Have for 16 years. |
| 21:52.35 | babilen | impossible |
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| 21:53.28 | rook2pawn | So setting up a 750 GB encrypted partition in the latest wheezy install was really bad experience |
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| 21:53.54 | rook2pawn | it took almost a full 2 days before i could continue the installation |
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| 21:56.33 | BugBite | Last guess python3-py |
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| 21:59.04 | Quantum` | BugBite: Lots of packages under that. |
| 21:59.23 | Blakney | rook2pawn Yeah, I had that too... it takes its time... Speaking of encrypted partitions: Do you get that "fail" line at shutdown as well? |
| 21:59.43 | Quantum` | I also get "python-dbus is in a bad inconsistent state. Please reinstall before deinstall." Unfortunately, I can't do either. |
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| 22:03.55 | dokma | jmcnaught, managed to boot my Kimsufi dedicated box after all |
| 22:04.24 | dokma | seems to have been a non existent link /dev/md/0 -> /dev/md0 which prevent update-initramfs to do it's job... |
| 22:04.54 | rook2pawn | Blakney: No, i didn't get any failure message on shutdown. but i heard that other installations don't force you to wait during installation and do the random filling during offtime |
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| 22:06.17 | zykotick9 | Blakney: i get some "fail" on my shutdown (with encrypted lvm)... i haven't really looked into it TBO |
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| 22:10.18 | jmcnaught | dokma: glad it worked :) |
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| 22:11.39 | Blakney | zykotick9 Yes, with encrypted lvm - it's kind of an old bug as I read. I was wondering that someone mentioned in a thread that it was fixed but it's still there |
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| 22:14.48 | Blakney | rook2pawn I had an encrypted lvm opensuse install a while ago and indeed cannot remember of waiting that long. |
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| 22:18.52 | Blakney | zykotick9 Found it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575652 This was the thread I mentioned |
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| 22:21.04 | neo1691 | Hello! I am having to manually xrdb .Xresources everytime I boot debian wheezy. I just changed my colorscheme! They were working perfectly a few moments ago. And I also made some changes in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to set xsession to i3. I followed this guide https://faq.i3wm.org/question/2483/howto-debian-wheezy-lightdm-i3/ |
| 22:21.13 | neo1691 | I have also reverted all changes I did according to that guide but still not helping |
| 22:21.26 | zykotick9 | Blakney: thanks |
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| 22:24.40 | gentoomen | DOes anyone here know how to set up mpdviz? |
| 22:25.36 | gentoomen | pls |
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| 22:31.09 | ttyS1 | any one knows if this bug has been fixed ? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688741 |
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| 22:32.03 | ttyS1 | I'm trying to have control of what users are displayed at the login screen but I'm not able to. Is there a work around for this ? |
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| 22:38.07 | zykotick9 | ttyS1: as a work around, isn't it possible to disable the list entirely - have the old-school, type your username sorta thing? /me thinks the user list is a security issue |
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| 22:42.40 | ttyS1 | zykotick9: yes that looks like my only option. but i thought it would be a lot easier for people not too experienced with computers to use the list. Like my grandma for example :) |
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| 22:45.49 | zykotick9 | ttyS1: TBO i haven't used a dm in a while. but i remember disabling the list in gdm when i was using it. have you looked at the other dm options, perhaps a different one has the options you seek? best of luck. |
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| 22:50.47 | iqualfragile | What the fuck, gdm just printed http://bpaste.net/show/VM7CPCrjnZEnUI05ycqT/ a milion times (well, fills about 18 GB, which is/was the space i had left on my home) into ~/.cache/gdm/session.log |
| 22:50.53 | iqualfragile | who should get spanked for this? |
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| 22:51.03 | beli | ttyS1: what uid do your users have? >500 or >1000? |
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| 23:00.11 | rook2pawn | oh, i just wanted to share with you guys http://curl-paste.com which lets you upload texts < 100kb from curl so you don't have to use a web interface to paste and share |
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| 23:00.37 | rook2pawn | specifically because yesterday i was on #xmonad and had no working browser, but needed to share my xmonad.hs file |
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| 23:01.02 | wols | !nopaste |
| 23:01.02 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 23:01.36 | ttyS1 | beli: 1000 |
| 23:01.46 | rook2pawn | ahh, that's pretty cool too |
| 23:01.48 | babilen | rook2pawn: There are many cli based pastebins. No need to spam that page. sprunge.us is an old one and there are plenty of cli tutorials. nopaste among them. |
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| 23:02.04 | beli | ttyS1: move them to lower ids to hide them automagically |
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| 23:02.38 | beli | ttyS1: usermod -u 999 usertohide |
| 23:02.47 | ttyS1 | beli: hum interesting, I'll try that thank you |
| 23:04.51 | beli | ttyS1: guess it's lower than 1000 for debian based systems and <=500 for redhat....but it might be distro specific. also check /etc/gdm/gdm.schema and watch out for the [greeter] tag |
| 23:04.53 | zykotick9 | beli: that is a neat user trick... clever |
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| 23:06.00 | beli | zykotick9: gdm is known to be buggy when it comes to the custom config |
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| 23:06.42 | ttyS1 | beli, yes that works just fine, Thanks a lot. would that affect any capabilities of the user ? |
| 23:07.44 | beli | ttyS1: well...the uids <1000 are reserved for system accounts. but afaik it is just conceptional and has no further meaning |
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| 23:11.08 | ttyS1 | beli: great thank you :) |
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| 23:11.41 | beli | ttyS1: you are welcome |
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| 23:14.50 | jhutchins | You do need to be careful changing uids for existing accounts in case they own files, or mail spools. |
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| 23:15.52 | zinx | uid 0 has meaning on most systems (beyond what the userspace allows it) |
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| 23:16.17 | rook2pawn | babilen:installing a program to do this seems bad |
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| 23:16.46 | rook2pawn | and sprunge has non-standard syntax and requires you to look it up |
| 23:16.59 | jhutchins | !pastebinit |
| 23:16.59 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 23:18.41 | beli | jhutchins: usermod is fine for anything inside home and mail spools...other files might need some chown ;) |
| 23:19.29 | jhutchins | beli: Just something to be aware of. |
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| 23:20.48 | rook2pawn | jhutchins: curl is on everything |
| 23:21.10 | themill | actually, it's not. |
| 23:21.14 | jhutchins | It can give you the opportunity to use some of the options on "find". |
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| 23:22.29 | rook2pawn | i just dont get why you want to install a system specific program or install anything that normally comes on most UNIX distributions since time immemorial |
| 23:23.07 | jhutchins | rook2pawn: So you don't have to use some wierd service most people haven't heard of for one thing. |
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| 23:23.42 | jhutchins | rook2pawn: I mean, nice, you've found yet another method to do something. There are usually lots of different ways to do things in Linux. |
| 23:23.53 | babilen | rook2pawn: It really isn't important now, is it? There are many ways and many tools. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. So, lets move on please and we can all use the tools that are most appropriate in a given situation. |
| 23:23.54 | rook2pawn | its not a linux solution |
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| 23:24.02 | jhutchins | rook2pawn: Niether is curl. |
| 23:24.02 | themill | rook2pawn: your assumption that curl is on everything is wrong; one hour life for pastes is also too short to be useful most of the time. Thanks anyway. |
| 23:24.46 | thomaschaaf | hey I am currently playing with the 3.12 kernel from wheezy-backports. Now I am getting the output "early console in decompress_kernel".. is seems to have been added here: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=134274660809120 is there a way to hide the output? |
| 23:24.47 | rook2pawn | that's just something i chose; no reason why i cant change it |
| 23:25.12 | rook2pawn | curl is installed in alot more distributions as part of the basic distribution im pretty sure of |
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| 23:25.28 | jhutchins | rook2pawn: Also, different distributions have different cultures and different ways to do support, pastebins are hardly universal. |
| 23:25.28 | themill | rook2pawn: it's not part of the default debian installation, and this is #debian. |
| 23:25.35 | babilen | rook2pawn: Please move on. This is not related to Debian and borders on spam, so please ... |
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| 23:26.58 | themill | rook2pawn: make it so that it trivially works with wget and I'll be much more interested :) |
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| 23:27.43 | babilen | (and please ask for opinions in #debian-offtopic) |
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| 23:28.42 | thomaschaaf | are questions regarding backports better in debian-next? |
| 23:28.52 | beli | ;) |
| 23:29.04 | centrx | thomaschaaf, Sometimes |
| 23:29.09 | babilen | thomaschaaf: Backports are meant to be used on stable so they are perfectly on-topic here. |
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| 23:42.27 | ffog | i just installed debian on a panasonic t8 with touchscreen. the touch works but it need calibration. i'm not familiar with how the touchscreen is setup or how to calibrate it? |
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| 23:44.26 | ffog | its just slightly off |
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| 23:48.18 | Blakney | hmm... libcrypt-dh-perl is on one of the dvd images. Do I see it correctly that it's supposed to be on the update dvd? |
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| 23:49.49 | Blakney | I mean for amd64. I'm just asking because it was not available on the dvd 1-3 imgs |
| 23:50.08 | anton02 | why is the latest version of reaver here from 2012? http://code.google.com/p/reaver-wps/downloads/list |
| 23:50.38 | centrx | Blakney, Huh? First you say its on the DVD but then it's not? |
| 23:50.41 | centrx | anton02, Because it is? |
| 23:51.23 | anton02 | centrx: i see, i see |
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| 23:51.50 | Blakney | centrx I searched for the package online - it says it's on one of the dvds. |
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| 23:52.13 | centrx | Blakney, I think the update DVDs only contain updates |
| 23:52.30 | centrx | Not sure why they are there though |
| 23:53.07 | Blakney | centrx Ok. It's weird though that it was not available after mounting the dvds and making them available via sources.list |
| 23:53.34 | SynrG | Blakney: and performing apt-get update? |
| 23:53.50 | Blakney | SynrG yes |
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| 23:54.40 | Blakney | I found e.g libcrypt-blowfish-perl or libcrypt-openssl-bignum-perl but not the one above |
| 23:54.49 | zykotick9 | can't imagine using debian without a network... <- it actually frightens me a bit to think about... |
| 23:55.06 | centrx | Blakney, Are you sure the package you want was ever updated after the stable release? |
| 23:55.13 | Blakney | zykotick9 Actually it's really great and works like a charm |
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| 23:55.48 | zykotick9 | Blakney: i am glad debian provides the dvd sets... but what a pain ;) |
| 23:56.16 | Blakney | centrx I do not know whether it was updated. All I know is that it was not available from the 1-3 dvd imgs |
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| 23:57.12 | zykotick9 | Blakney: are you sure you didn't see it included in the update images? i've never been clear on their usage/purpose, but i've seen the torrents |
| 23:58.16 | SynrG | Blakney: "one of the dvds". did you pay attention to which? |
| 23:58.23 | SynrG | http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 23:58.29 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.40 | SynrG | debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-5 |
| 23:58.49 | SynrG | ^^ obviously not 1 through 3 |
| 23:59.14 | zykotick9 | SynrG: the +3 DVDs need to be jigdo'ed rather then torrented i believe |
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| 23:59.29 | SynrG | mhm |
| 23:59.45 | SynrG | zykotick9: er, no |
| 23:59.55 | SynrG | that also gives a direct link to dvd-5 |