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| 00:00.17 | AndreeeCZ | i have split the drive into two parts, installed win7 on one of them (all that was done with the windows installer) |
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| 00:00.43 | AndreeeCZ | now debian installer sees one disk and claims that its all free |
| 00:01.25 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: try booting to a livecd/shell and take a look at the partition table through fdisk |
| 00:02.11 | average | kdog: pm-ed you |
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| 00:06.10 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, give us the output of the command fdisk -l |
| 00:06.24 | echo083 | Aeiri, if i can give my idea ;) |
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| 00:06.36 | Aeiri | echo083: thats waht i was getting at yeah :) |
| 00:06.41 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, the wheels have been set into a different motion, alas |
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| 00:07.02 | AndreeeCZ | my friend is doing this (his firsst time installing any kind of linux) |
| 00:07.10 | AndreeeCZ | he decided to format it with a debian installer |
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| 00:07.20 | AndreeeCZ | then install win on one of the partitions |
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| 00:07.25 | AndreeeCZ | then debian on the other |
| 00:07.26 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, maybe he could start with ubuntu or mandriva (don't remember the new name) |
| 00:07.38 | glassresistor | made the mistake of getting a nexus 4 phone with kitkat and now need mtp working |
| 00:07.52 | Aeiri | mageia |
| 00:08.08 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, he set his mind onto debian |
| 00:08.20 | glassresistor | using wheezy and sid backports anyone know the best version for mtp |
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| 00:08.30 | glassresistor | since its now working now but was at one point |
| 00:08.46 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, ok ok it was just an opinion if he absolutely wants to install it without deleting windows data we need to have the result of fdisk -l |
| 00:09.32 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, sure. that windows install was a fresh install from half an hour ago, so no valuable data there (see what i did there?) |
| 00:09.55 | AndreeeCZ | ahaha i made myself laugh |
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| 00:10.15 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, i've just caught the talk when you were asked to boot from a rescue cd sorry |
| 00:10.30 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, np :) |
| 00:10.41 | AndreeeCZ | :( did anyone get my joke?? |
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| 00:10.48 | josvuk | how to read smart values from the hd? |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | smartctl? |
| 00:11.13 | AndreeeCZ | ok guys so things have taken a whole different path |
| 00:11.21 | AndreeeCZ | he's now clean installing debian |
| 00:11.27 | AndreeeCZ | then he wants to install windows |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | wrong order |
| 00:11.36 | AndreeeCZ | how would he then repair the bootloader? |
| 00:11.48 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, abrotman is right |
| 00:11.48 | AndreeeCZ | would the usual methods work? |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | yes, bu tthat's the hard way |
| 00:12.05 | AndreeeCZ | i know |
| 00:12.07 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, you need windows on the first partition after linux install will erase the boot sector |
| 00:12.19 | Brody | Thankyou all for the tips today. I really appreciate it. gn |
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| 00:12.41 | jetscreamer | easiest to just give it it's own hd |
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| 00:12.55 | AndreeeCZ | but i will be able to bring it back with grub-install, correct? |
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| 00:13.12 | jetscreamer | research that first, but yes |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | You don't need windows on the first partition |
| 00:13.32 | AndreeeCZ | Imagine for any reason you have any other OS installed next to Debian. And for any reason you need to reinstall it because is really broken. Again, imagine that OS has a crappy installation and overwrites the disk MBR or GPT to own the full computer. What's next? Reinstall Debian? No. |
| 00:13.35 | AndreeeCZ | hahaha |
| 00:14.19 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, sorry but all this mess is windows fault as he doesn't allow windows partition to be anywhere on the disk |
| 00:14.35 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, i know. |
| 00:15.00 | AndreeeCZ | im not even a debian user :) im just here to spam you for help with debian stuff |
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| 00:21.01 | Aeiri | mageia |
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| 00:21.18 | average | Aeiri: what about it ? |
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| 00:24.43 | Aeiri | average: wrong window... |
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| 00:38.39 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, ping |
| 00:38.47 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, yes ? |
| 00:38.49 | AndreeeCZ | selected disk is of the dpt partitionstyle cannot install windows |
| 00:39.03 | AndreeeCZ | i presume i need to make the partitions mbr-style? |
| 00:39.19 | AndreeeCZ | can the debian installer do that? |
| 00:39.59 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, you shouldn't worry about partition style once windows is installed he made a partition style which will be compatible with debian installer |
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| 00:40.09 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, which windows did you install ? |
| 00:40.13 | AndreeeCZ | 7 |
| 00:40.22 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, it should be fine |
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| 00:40.37 | AndreeeCZ | so, echo083, he should divide the disk in the windows installer or use it whole? |
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| 00:41.08 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, it's your responsability during windows installation to give the amount of memory you want |
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| 00:41.42 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, so i should partition it in the windows installer, correct? |
| 00:41.46 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, if you leave windows defaults it will take all the available memory |
| 00:41.52 | echo083 | yes in windows installer |
| 00:41.56 | AndreeeCZ | ok |
| 00:41.57 | echo083 | it's the simplest |
| 00:42.25 | echo083 | remove all the data from the disk install windows and be sure not to use the whole disk after start debian installer and let him detect the remaining memory |
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| 00:43.21 | echo083 | let the default choice for disk partitioning about other debian option installer just select your language and almost always ENTER key |
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| 00:44.31 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, let me split it into two problems |
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| 00:44.43 | echo083 | if you want |
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| 00:45.25 | AndreeeCZ | first, he runs the window installer, in which he splits the drive into two: |
| 00:45.28 | AndreeeCZ | one - ntfs |
| 00:45.35 | AndreeeCZ | second - empty space. ? |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 00:46.25 | AndreeeCZ | right. i will get back to once this is done |
| 00:46.42 | AndreeeCZ | i havent been running dualboot nor messing with my partitions for a long time |
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| 01:01.12 | zeroemission | how to add a next group to my user? |
| 01:01.31 | dvs | what's a "next group"? |
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| 01:02.07 | zeroemission | dvs i have already like git:git and i want to assign a next group to git user like git:www-data but also keep the git group like 2 groups if its possible |
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| 01:03.05 | dvs | zeroemission: gpasswd -a <user> <group> |
| 01:04.56 | zeroemission | dvs this will add another group to the user yes? |
| 01:05.04 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:05.14 | dvs | that's what you asked |
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| 01:05.49 | rryoumaa | is that better than adduser? |
| 01:05.55 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, i was on the phone sorry sorry |
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| 01:06.01 | dvs | Just different |
| 01:06.14 | AndreeeCZ | echo083, np, i didnt query anything :) |
| 01:06.21 | echo083 | AndreeeCZ, ok good |
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| 01:10.21 | zeroemission | dvs ok no works and if i want to remove all groups and add just one primary group ? |
| 01:10.33 | zeroemission | dvs i mean it no works for my git im doing the command worked |
| 01:10.35 | dvs | zeroemission: log out and back in again |
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| 01:15.04 | zeroemission | dvs i was not logged i did it from root |
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| 01:16.54 | dvs | zeroemission: Then how do you know it didn't work? |
| 01:17.28 | zeroemission | dvs don't need be the group primary ? or there is not primary and seconadry group assignment on linux |
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| 01:18.10 | dvs | zeroemission: There is a primary and secondary groups but it doesn't have to be your primary group to use a group. |
| 01:18.19 | skytrash | lsof -i -n -P |
| 01:18.22 | skytrash | damn it |
| 01:18.26 | dvs | !! |
| 01:18.26 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 01:18.44 | skytrash | bash |
| 01:18.47 | zeroemission | dvs you are a bit familiar with git ? |
| 01:18.54 | dvs | nope |
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| 01:23.04 | Abbott | is rename a python script or a perl script |
| 01:23.32 | Abbott | it's a perl script |
| 01:23.53 | Abbott | why wouldn't this math operation work as a single command |
| 01:23.54 | Abbott | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5245087/math-operations-in-regex |
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| 01:24.15 | socomm | Abbott: wrong channel |
| 01:24.27 | zeroemission | dvs i getting this problem error: hooks/post-receive no such file or directory (i created post-receive on windows and uploaded it to linux by ftp) can this be the problem ? |
| 01:24.30 | socomm | Abbott: /j #regex |
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| 01:24.36 | zeroemission | dvs http://oi58.tinypic.com/289lhye.jpg |
| 01:24.49 | socomm | zeroemission: /j #git |
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| 01:25.28 | zeroemission | socomm but what i wanna ask is when i created a file with windows and uploaded it on unix by ftp can it be possible that unix don't see it ? |
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| 01:25.37 | Abbott | i didn't know there was a regex channel |
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| 01:26.07 | socomm | zeroemission: huh |
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| 01:26.16 | dvs | Abbott: s/not there isn't/yes, there is/g |
| 01:26.17 | SynrG | bah. i think i burnt up my last remaining agp vid card :p |
| 01:26.37 | SynrG | hate it when that happens. :( |
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| 01:26.44 | socomm | SynrG: you think? toss it in the oven and be certain |
| 01:26.50 | AndreeeCZ | oveeen |
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| 01:27.09 | SynrG | well, random segfaults ... |
| 01:27.27 | SynrG | pulled the vid card. back to onboard video (intel 865G! uggh) |
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| 01:27.31 | SynrG | no crashes yet |
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| 01:28.12 | SirLagz | SynrG: you can still buy agp cards lol |
| 01:28.17 | SynrG | oops, spoke too soon |
| 01:28.22 | Abbott | lol very nice dvs |
| 01:28.22 | SynrG | crashed |
| 01:28.35 | SirLagz | RAM ? HDD ? |
| 01:28.53 | SynrG | well, i either burnt up the motherboard, or the cpu, or ... |
| 01:29.01 | dvs | your house! |
| 01:29.15 | SirLagz | HDD can make segfaults |
| 01:29.17 | SynrG | no idea. when i looked inside the CPU was *horribly* choked with dust |
| 01:29.24 | SirLagz | lol |
| 01:29.27 | SynrG | i cleared that out but i think the damage was done already |
| 01:29.29 | SirLagz | sounds like mine |
| 01:29.44 | AndreeeCZ | does anyone in here run a system without a DE? |
| 01:29.46 | SynrG | i probably baked it for good. |
| 01:29.47 | AndreeeCZ | just pure WM ? |
| 01:29.58 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: i used to |
| 01:30.00 | alad | <- openbox |
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| 01:30.10 | AndreeeCZ | SirLagz, what wm? |
| 01:30.16 | SirLagz | flux here haha. or Enlightenment |
| 01:30.19 | SynrG | sort of. lxde minus pcmanfm, minus xscreensaver ... |
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| 01:31.06 | Dry_Lips | Sometimes this error randomly shows up... --> kernel:[44161.363567] journal commit I/O error |
| 01:31.20 | Dry_Lips | Is this an error related to the storage? |
| 01:31.27 | CissWit | AndreeeCZ: yes, xmonad here. |
| 01:31.31 | SynrG | basically this is just openbox and lxpanel run inside lxsession. |
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| 01:31.43 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: seems likely |
| 01:32.01 | Dry_Lips | abrotman: I've got an SSD, any idea about what the culprit could be? |
| 01:32.28 | AndreeeCZ | interesting, i didnt know there was so many people doing this |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | Dry_Lips: reseat the cables? run some tests? |
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| 01:32.58 | Dry_Lips | abrotman: I guess I could try... Thanks man! |
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| 01:33.43 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: its lighter than running a full de |
| 01:34.06 | alad | read: less bugs |
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| 01:34.47 | SynrG | AndreeeCZ: i would happily run more, but the netbook only has 2G, and my preferred web browser and email client together hoark up half of that ... |
| 01:35.07 | SynrG | so to get anything like reasonable performance out of it, i have had to cut back on non-essentials |
| 01:35.11 | AndreeeCZ | SirLagz, yeah i know. I try to have a reasonably light system myself (400mb after boot). But i like all the settings managers and notification daemons |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | SynrG: Stop running Outlook via Wine for your Email client :) |
| 01:35.24 | SynrG | abrotman: :p |
| 01:35.31 | SynrG | no, but icedove, which is almost as bad :/ |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | via IMAP or POP ? |
| 01:35.41 | SynrG | with plugins up to the eyeballs |
| 01:35.45 | SynrG | imap |
| 01:35.51 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: im the same haha |
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| 01:35.55 | AndreeeCZ | i run a sculped version of xfce - only a bit of panel for the tray and clock, battery manager, notification manager, SynrG , SirLagz |
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| 01:36.12 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: same here :D |
| 01:36.17 | AndreeeCZ | haha nice :) |
| 01:36.20 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: on my gaming rig anyway |
| 01:36.31 | SirLagz | openbox on my eeePC 701 |
| 01:36.32 | SynrG | oh yeah, and no NM, nor wicd ... using wpa_cli |
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| 01:36.45 | SirLagz | i use ethernet. :P |
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| 01:36.51 | SirLagz | but still no NM |
| 01:37.06 | SynrG | SirLagz: *still* got a 701 in service? nice. my daughter does. my second one is out of service though. can't be bothered to get a replacement poewr adaptor after the last one died |
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| 01:37.14 | AndreeeCZ | well but then i have compiz on top of all that :D |
| 01:37.14 | SynrG | poewr* |
| 01:37.16 | SynrG | power* |
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| 01:37.30 | SynrG | bah. when backups are running, transposition errors galore. |
| 01:37.49 | SynrG | oh well. this is a sign ... time for bed |
| 01:37.51 | SynrG | gnite |
| 01:38.17 | SirLagz | SynrG: night |
| 01:38.19 | AndreeeCZ | SynrG, nite! |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | SynrG: COME BACK! |
| 01:38.34 | SirLagz | lol |
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| 02:13.53 | tidux | pulseaudio is broken in sid as of today |
| 02:14.07 | tidux | it's like I'm really back in 2008 |
| 02:14.33 | SirLagz | good thing I don't use pulseaudio :D |
| 02:14.40 | abrotman | broken how? |
| 02:14.45 | tidux | zero sound |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | tidux: 'groups' |
| 02:15.05 | tidux | dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev roccat |
| 02:15.14 | tidux | as well as the group for my user |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | tidux: you're not in the right groups I don' tthink |
| 02:15.58 | tidux | that changed |
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| 02:16.03 | tidux | I had pulseaudio working until like |
| 02:16.05 | tidux | yesterday |
| 02:16.21 | zeroemission | properly setup means, the gitlab user should have redis command "redis-cli" in PATH. |
| 02:16.28 | zeroemission | what does this mean ? how i can set this to my user |
| 02:16.30 | tidux | if pulseaudio changed then dpkg should really have displayed a message |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | tidux: something changed recently, see there is now a pulse and pulseuesr group ? |
| 02:17.09 | tidux | no |
| 02:17.14 | tidux | I have a pulse user |
| 02:17.19 | tidux | and pulse and pulse-access groups |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:17.34 | tidux | and the init script still has the old per-user mode |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | sorry, pulse-access, not pulseuser |
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| 02:17.41 | abrotman | tidux: okay, good luck |
| 02:17.43 | tidux | do I need to run it systemwide again? |
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| 02:18.20 | abrotman | I tried to help, you didn't want any .. Good luck |
| 02:19.29 | tidux | ಠ_ಠ |
| 02:19.32 | tidux | I never said that |
| 02:19.42 | tidux | are you an asshole or just retarded? |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | You just kept arguing with me. |
| 02:22.01 | AndreeeCZ | is gparted included in debian livecd? |
| 02:22.20 | SirLagz | AndreeeCZ: don't think so. You can always apt-get install it though |
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| 02:50.17 | zeroemission | should not be the usr/share/nginx/html folder owned as www-data ? hmmm it's root:root |
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| 02:50.42 | abrotman | zeroemission: i owuld imagine that' snot the document root ? |
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| 02:51.04 | zeroemission | abrotman yes its the website document root |
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| 02:51.40 | Aeiri | wow i went shopping, played some video games, and you two are still going strong :) |
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| 02:53.20 | themill | zeroemission: that docroot should be changed anyway, but why should it be owned by www-data? |
| 02:54.02 | zeroemission | themill idk i don't have a nginx user i see only www-data |
| 02:55.05 | zeroemission | also when i create a new user it has access to redis-cli ? |
| 02:55.35 | Aeiri | i dont think you want the nginx user having write access to its document root anyway, just certain directories for logs or uploaded files or what have you, depending on what you are using nginx for |
| 02:55.50 | themill | zeroemission: the web server only needs permission to read files not write them. The default permissions of root:root 0644 is fine for that. |
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| 02:56.22 | themill | If you want to configure other things to be able to write to the filesystem, then you need to configure things to allow them to write to the filesystem. |
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| 02:57.14 | zeroemission | themill you are familiar with git ? |
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| 02:57.53 | Aeiri | zeroemission: with what you are doing, do you want these users to solely have git access or do they need ssh access too? |
| 02:58.35 | ffog | is it possible to install part of a package? for instance xfce4-goodies includes things i don't want, but what is included isn't available as their own packages |
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| 02:58.57 | themill | zeroemission: just ask your question |
| 02:59.06 | zeroemission | Aeiri, themill i found this problem "no such file or directory" http://oi58.tinypic.com/289lhye.jpg it basically hooks the repo and checkouts it inside the html folder i found something here https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/issues/331 they say something about bin/redis-cli ... |
| 03:00.15 | Aeiri | zeroemission: that just means there is no post-receive hook... it still pushed everything just fine |
| 03:00.57 | zeroemission | Aeiri ye but the post-receive hook is there .... i created it on windows and put it inside the repo |
| 03:01.25 | zeroemission | Aeiri i using also a cutom user i called him "git" |
| 03:02.19 | Aeiri | zeroemission: check the permissions on that file then |
| 03:02.34 | tidux | alright, I managed to track down my problem with sound |
| 03:02.39 | Aeiri | ls -l .git/hooks/post-receive |
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| 03:02.43 | tidux | pulseaudio is refusing to see my onboard sound as a sink |
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| 03:03.53 | tidux | I know the hardware works because if I purge pulseaudio I get sound again |
| 03:03.59 | Aeiri | those redis things have nothing to do with git btw... ive setup git repos on solaris and had to compile it and all deps from scratch.. it doesnt need it, i have a feeling that has to do with that specific project that the thread is posted on |
| 03:04.02 | tidux | but there's some applications I use that need pulseaudio |
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| 03:05.11 | zeroemission | Aeiri 755 i created that file on windows and uploaded it also the ownership is correct git:git |
| 03:05.52 | Aeiri | zeroemission: and your remote looks like ssh://git@remote.com/whateverrepo ? |
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| 03:06.02 | themill | zeroemission: perhaps you could pastebin that file and also show us the output of "file .git/hooks/post-receive" |
| 03:06.50 | Aeiri | zeroemission: and the contents of post-receive if you dont mind, it might be executing and IT might be causing that error |
| 03:07.20 | zeroemission | Aeiri themill like this guys ? http://pastebin.com/H45fNm0y |
| 03:08.18 | Aeiri | zeroemission: thats what i want, but themill wants you to execute "file post-receive" which will tell you about what type of file it is |
| 03:08.53 | zeroemission | themill how i can execute it in linux ? and should i do it from root or the owner ? |
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| 03:09.13 | aaa | im trying to record sound and display with avconv but it does not record my sound. Anyone with a script? this is one of the lines i tried http://pastebin.com/mdPyfUZd |
| 03:09.24 | themill | any user should be fine. |
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| 03:10.02 | Aeiri | woo |
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| 03:10.19 | zeroemission | themill but sry i don't know how to show you the output you mean like nano it from linux ? |
| 03:10.43 | themill | zeroemission: the command is "file". "file .git/hooks/post-receive" |
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| 03:11.37 | zeroemission | themill http://pastie.org/8952365 |
| 03:12.01 | themill | zeroemission: that's got good old fashioned dos line endings. It needs to be unix line endings. |
| 03:12.06 | themill | dpkg: tell zeroemission about dos2unix |
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| 03:12.14 | AndreeeCZ | guys |
| 03:12.16 | AndreeeCZ | http://pastie.org/8952364 |
| 03:12.24 | AndreeeCZ | this was made with win7 installer |
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| 03:12.31 | zeroemission | themill o.O can this be because i created this file on windows ? :D |
| 03:12.48 | themill | yes, that was the hint that made me want to see the output of file ;) |
| 03:13.18 | AndreeeCZ | http://pastie.org/8952269 |
| 03:13.33 | AndreeeCZ | what do i do now? |
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| 03:19.55 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: im no windows expert, but can windows even read GPT partition tables? |
| 03:20.13 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, windows made this partitioning |
| 03:20.18 | Aeiri | oh okay |
| 03:20.47 | AndreeeCZ | any ideas? |
| 03:20.50 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: on which drive? |
| 03:20.59 | AndreeeCZ | what on which drive? |
| 03:21.12 | Aeiri | well that output has two drives on it |
| 03:21.21 | Aeiri | which one is the one windows installed to |
| 03:21.38 | Aeiri | i think /dev/sda but i cant tell, the other one is FAT32 for some reason |
| 03:21.52 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, i would say it's the usb install drive |
| 03:22.22 | AndreeeCZ | yup, that is correct |
| 03:22.33 | Aeiri | okay so you have two partitions |
| 03:22.40 | Aeiri | one looks suspiciously small |
| 03:23.48 | Aeiri | okay i dont think you created a partition to put debian on from the looks of it |
| 03:24.07 | Aeiri | that first one looks like maybe ~120 MB, that cant be an entire windows install |
| 03:24.35 | AndreeeCZ | yes, one is 25, the other 155 |
| 03:24.47 | AndreeeCZ | gb |
| 03:25.06 | Aeiri | oh okay |
| 03:25.11 | Aeiri | my math is wrong then |
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| 03:26.25 | Aeiri | erm... i actually cant seem to see HOW my math is wrong actually |
| 03:26.40 | Aeiri | the ratio of blocks between the two partitions is huge |
| 03:26.47 | Aeiri | or tiny, rather |
| 03:26.52 | AndreeeCZ | now i cannot check it |
| 03:27.14 | AndreeeCZ | i know that when win was installed, this was the way partitions were parted (25 and 155) |
| 03:27.27 | AndreeeCZ | there's something very wrong here |
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| 03:27.48 | tidux | why would PulseAudio not recognize my onboard sound card? |
| 03:27.56 | Aeiri | was windows the 155? |
| 03:27.58 | tidux | and why would it attempting to play sound through HDMI fail so utterly? |
| 03:28.24 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: if windows was the 155, then the 25 might be unallocated |
| 03:28.31 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: and everything is fine |
| 03:28.40 | AndreeeCZ | that might be correct |
| 03:29.22 | Aeiri | tidux: my last laptop i have a .asoundrc that works for HDMI, my current laptop absolutely refuses to play audio through HDMI |
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| 03:30.16 | squisher | tidux, you should try direct alsa access first then, check out for example speaker-test (on the cli) |
| 03:30.28 | Aeiri | tidux: basically it was simple: http://pastebin.com/icEVTzTP; change the card # and device # and it will work |
| 03:30.40 | tidux | HDMI doesn't work with alsa or pulse |
| 03:30.51 | tidux | and starting in the past 24 hours I can't get pulse to play out of my onboard sound |
| 03:30.56 | tidux | which means I can't use headphones |
| 03:31.17 | tidux | how do I force pulseaudio to ignore HDMI and recognize the analog out? |
| 03:31.28 | tidux | also that pastebin is a 404 |
| 03:31.49 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: say yes this is a GPT partition table because we have confirmed that with your gparted output |
| 03:31.58 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: you are fine |
| 03:32.01 | tidux | oh I see, removing the semicolon at the end makes it a valid URL |
| 03:32.05 | peet | @tidux you can select which sound card you want to use in alsamixer |
| 03:32.13 | tidux | that generally has no effect |
| 03:32.29 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, then i am presented with unallocated space in gparted :( |
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| 03:33.00 | Aeiri | tidux: i have tried specifying directly to the card and device from various programs and not gotten it to work without that |
| 03:33.17 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: so allocate it for debian |
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| 03:33.36 | Aeiri | tidux: but that irrelevant now that your onboard sound is busted |
| 03:33.42 | AndreeeCZ | but then i kill the win partition, Aeiri |
| 03:33.45 | tidux | it's not busted, it works with ALSA! |
| 03:34.10 | tidux | this is just pulseaudio being a giant sack of shit again |
| 03:34.14 | peet | @tidux, after select it , i used to reboot to get it work! |
| 03:34.22 | tidux | that doesn't work either |
| 03:34.23 | tidux | I've tried |
| 03:34.35 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, which i would like to keep |
| 03:34.36 | Aeiri | tidux: why do all of these audio servers have to be such a pain in the ass? jesus |
| 03:34.47 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: you mean one 180GB pile of unallocated space? |
| 03:34.48 | tidux | it's because the OEMs are fucking horrible people |
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| 03:35.15 | Aeiri | tidux: but alsa tends to work just fine, its the audio servers that all fuck up |
| 03:35.23 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, yes, (167) |
| 03:35.26 | zeroemission | themill, Aeiri ok i fixed the previous problem and now i get http://oi59.tinypic.com/2i0g7t5.jpg so to be clear i created a new user git:git but my /usr/share/nginx/html is root:root when i was installing nginx i installed from root user so it's default .. hmm |
| 03:35.34 | Aeiri | tidux: well not historically, 15 years ago alsa was shit |
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| 03:37.02 | Aeiri | zeroemission: okay first off, permissions are more than just who owns it, the mode is important too... second, if root:root owns it then your checkout -f isnt going to be able to write to the directory |
| 03:37.40 | Aeiri | zeroemission: im actually not quite sure what you are doing to be honest, are you trying to set up a git repo to push to your live webserver? |
| 03:38.03 | zeroemission | Aeiri yep |
| 03:38.18 | zeroemission | Aeiri i trying to do this http://toroid.org/ams/git-website-howto |
| 03:38.27 | Aeiri | well first chown to git:git and 0700 on the directory and that should help |
| 03:38.38 | zeroemission | Aeiri but i created also a user git:git i readed its good to have a separate user for it |
| 03:39.08 | Aeiri | you should also change the user to have their shell be git-shell for security |
| 03:39.48 | zeroemission | Aeiri you mean my html folder to chown to git:git and 700 permission ? |
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| 03:40.00 | Aeiri | yes |
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| 03:43.14 | tidux | so that asoundrc did nothing |
| 03:43.46 | Aeiri | your issue is clearly with pulseaudio so yeah |
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| 03:46.43 | Aeiri | holy shit thats some serious organ playing at 2:14 |
| 03:46.57 | Aeiri | i suck at multiple windows |
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| 03:47.45 | AndreeeCZ | i hate windows, just hate. Sometimes i dont give a fuck but sometime it's just pure hatred. |
| 03:48.20 | AndreeeCZ | especially when i have to deal with them :( |
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| 03:50.01 | tidux | hmm |
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| 03:50.38 | tidux | so pavucontrol shows my analog card in the "Configuration" tab |
| 03:50.47 | tidux | but it doesn't show up in the "Output Devices" tab |
| 03:52.34 | Aeiri | tidux: when did this all happen? |
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| 03:53.02 | tidux | this happened sometime in the past day |
| 03:53.15 | tidux | yesterday and the day before, all the way back to when I built the damn PC, pulseaudio worked fine |
| 03:53.20 | tidux | with zero effort on my part |
| 03:53.37 | tidux | this HAS to be a Debian problem, because nothing else has changed |
| 03:53.40 | squisher | tidux, maybe consider purging pulseaudio, clearing ~/.pulse, and starting over with a clean slate? |
| 03:53.45 | tidux | I've done that |
| 03:53.49 | tidux | at least THREE TIMES |
| 03:53.50 | tidux | no dice |
| 03:53.50 | Aeiri | tidux: HDMI worked before too? |
| 03:53.52 | tidux | no |
| 03:53.59 | tidux | HDMI never worked but I had an analog output for that |
| 03:54.11 | Aeiri | try booting to a live cd and make sure your sound card is actually working |
| 03:54.12 | tidux | HDMI still doesn't work |
| 03:54.31 | tidux | I've said that it works fine with ALSA tonight |
| 03:54.37 | tidux | I've said that two or three times in fact |
| 03:54.46 | Aeiri | oh right |
| 03:54.47 | tidux | no need to boot to a live CD |
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| 03:57.06 | squisher | tidux, did you play with pacmd? Does list-sinks show something? |
| 03:58.02 | tidux | it shows me my HDMI |
| 03:58.06 | tidux | which has never worked |
| 03:58.21 | zeroemission | Aeiri for permission 700 to user git:git i can use something like "chmod 700 git:git /usr/share/nginx/html" or should i use it like "sudo -u git:git chmod 700 /usr/share/nginx/html" |
| 03:58.37 | tidux | it does not list my analog soundcard as a sink |
| 03:58.40 | tidux | which is complete bullshit |
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| 03:59.27 | tidux | aplay -l shows two cards |
| 03:59.29 | Aeiri | zeroemission: `sudo chmod 700 blah; sudo chown git:git blah` |
| 03:59.39 | tidux | card 0 is my onboard |
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| 03:59.58 | zeroemission | Aeiri ok thx |
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| 04:02.21 | squisher | tidux, have you checked syslog for any errors? |
| 04:03.13 | tidux | no errors |
| 04:03.31 | tidux | pacmd list-cards shows both cards, so PulseAudio is *detecting* the card |
| 04:03.36 | tidux | it just doesn't recognize it as a sink |
| 04:03.38 | tidux | stupid pulseaudio |
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| 04:04.19 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, i have converted that to gpt using gdisk |
| 04:04.30 | AndreeeCZ | now i only have one entry: /dev/sda1 1 351651887 175825943+ ee GPT |
| 04:04.38 | garrison | I following the debian testing (jessie) distribution. A few weeks ago after an update, the behavior of X.org changed such that if I plug it a monitor, it automatically enables it and resizes my desktop accordingly. I would like to disable this and go back to the manual configuration so that my screens are instead mirrored. I believe this is being done within X.org itself, as I use a very minimal awesomewm setup. Does anyone have any ideas wha |
| 04:04.38 | garrison | t might have changed? |
| 04:04.53 | squisher | tidux, you should kill pulseaudio, and restart it in a shell with -vv --log-target=syserr and see if that gives you a hint |
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| 04:06.19 | tidux | holy fucking wall of text |
| 04:07.01 | squisher | you can retry with only -v (instead of -vv) first. I've never done this before, so no clue what to look for. But feel free to pastebin it |
| 04:07.20 | zeroemission | Aeiri everything is now owned by git:git and now i get a forbidden 403 header when i want to run my website |
| 04:07.58 | Aeiri | zeroemission: oh right nginx is using www-data, right? |
| 04:08.20 | Aeiri | zeroemission: chown git:www-data blah; chmod 750 blah |
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| 04:10.36 | zeroemission | Aeiri i can run chmod 750 from root ? should i not run it as git ? |
| 04:12.02 | Aeiri | zeroemission: it doesnt really matter, but the chown will have to be root because you cant pass group ownership on to some other group as a user |
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| 04:15.08 | Aeiri | where in il? |
| 04:15.27 | Aeiri | god dammit i really need to just stop using split windows in irssi |
| 04:17.47 | Rusty1 | e pluribus tmux |
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| 04:21.21 | el_mose | hi - does anyone have a development server running debian? what packages do you have installed? |
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| 04:22.57 | centrx | el_mose, For what? |
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| 04:23.18 | LtL | Rusty1: what does tmux have to do with irssi? |
| 04:25.53 | el_mose | centrx: for web development, e.g. an environment to host version control, web server, before putting it all on a vps |
| 04:26.33 | centrx | Okay, use git for version control, choose your web server, choose your development language(s)? |
| 04:26.37 | dren | i think you just answered your own question |
| 04:26.46 | el_mose | centrx: sorry, I just installed debian, and learnt the file stuctures, I'm at a loss now |
| 04:26.55 | el_mose | that's it? |
| 04:27.05 | dren | use aptitude to install the packages and it should get the dependencies |
| 04:27.17 | Rusty1 | LtL: as opposed to split screen irssi, a keystroke saved pehaps |
| 04:27.21 | centrx | el_mose, If that's what you want, that's what you get: apt-get install git apache2 ruby |
| 04:27.33 | centrx | el_mose, apache might have some special packages to choose between |
| 04:27.41 | centrx | el_mose, Or you might use another web server like nginx |
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| 04:29.11 | LtL | Rusty1: tmux or screen doesn't make any difference running irssi here, irssi still acts the same using split windows |
| 04:29.22 | el_mose | wow |
| 04:30.26 | centrx | Welcome to Uni |
| 04:30.26 | el_mose | I want to ask what it all connects, or clicks, but i don't think it's appropriate here |
| 04:30.27 | centrx | Unix |
| 04:30.49 | el_mose | yea, I've been reading the manual |
| 04:30.59 | el_mose | and learning about the file structure |
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| 04:31.50 | el_mose | had a hard time figuring out that /usr/ means usrs on the system, and not the usr on the machine |
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| 04:32.38 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 04:32.56 | centrx | el_mose, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEROOTFILESYSTEM |
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| 04:33.39 | el_mose | yep, I also read that |
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| 04:34.13 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm running debian wheezy and just mounted a remote hard drive using "sshfs root@remote-ip:/path/to/dir /path/to/mount -o uid=(my user id)" and pcmanfm can't access the mounted location, any ideas why? |
| 04:34.41 | wols | can a xterm in this session access it? |
| 04:34.46 | el_mose | centrx: thanks a lot |
| 04:35.14 | centrx | You are welcome |
| 04:35.24 | el_mose | git, nginx, and language environments - got it |
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| 04:36.21 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: me? yes lxterminal can access the mounted locations as root |
| 04:36.46 | ShapeShifter499 | I have lxde as my de |
| 04:36.49 | wols | not as root. as the same user as pcmanfm |
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| 04:37.05 | mikodo | Finally, I am going to make my next "every day' install be "Debian Testing". Not Xubuntu. I want to dual-boot it with others, like another "Testing" to well, .. "test' with, and "Stable", just to try. How can I keep my everyday install "Testing" the install having the grub2 that the system boots from and not any others? (So that the copy of GRUB2 stored in its partition would be designated by the MBR as the master bootloader for all |
| 04:37.05 | mikodo | Operating Systems on the entire computer) |
| 04:37.12 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: I get a permission denied |
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| 04:37.28 | wols | ShapeShifter499: and that's your problem now check the permissions and why it doesn't allow you |
| 04:37.57 | wols | mikodo: put the master grub into the MBR |
| 04:38.11 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, why don't you run sshfs as the user? |
| 04:38.26 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: it has my users permissions |
| 04:38.35 | shawnbon206 | who dare ping me! |
| 04:38.44 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/88644/ |
| 04:38.55 | mikodo | wols, thank you. What should I google for, to read up on that |
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| 04:39.35 | shawnbon206 | thank you wols, thank you squisher. yes, i meant it. |
| 04:39.59 | shawnbon206 | just feelin sentimental |
| 04:40.08 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: I'm a noob and I don't think the remote hard drives has my normal user's permissions on that server |
| 04:40.20 | ShapeShifter499 | I could remount it I suppose |
| 04:40.23 | ShapeShifter499 | hang on |
| 04:40.25 | mikodo | wols, I'll try "master grub2 in the MBR ... Thanks |
| 04:40.26 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, that doesn't matter at all |
| 04:40.37 | ShapeShifter499 | huh? |
| 04:40.55 | wols | mikodo: simply installe one grub into MBR and the others into a partition |
| 04:41.11 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: what's the problem then? It should have my local user's permissions, yet I can't access anything using non-root tools |
| 04:41.15 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, you log into the remote machine as root (something that's probably not ideal, but different story). It doesn't matter whether you _also_ run as root on your local machine, you can as well use a user account |
| 04:41.21 | wols | nothing complicated required. a single grub might even work for all debian installations |
| 04:41.32 | tidux | I reinstalled pulseaudio after blowing out the conigs |
| 04:41.33 | tidux | *configs |
| 04:41.38 | tidux | now I have this new and exciting error |
| 04:41.39 | tidux | jon@sharlin:~$ pulseaudio --start |
| 04:41.39 | tidux | N: [pulseaudio] main.c: User-configured server at {139755237461bdbcd0490e0c52c8adbd}unix:/run/user/1000/pulse/native, which appears to be local. Probing deeper. |
| 04:41.40 | tidux | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
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| 04:41.56 | shawnbon206 | owned |
| 04:42.04 | tidux | that was three lines |
| 04:42.10 | tidux | I thought the limit was five? |
| 04:42.13 | mikodo | wols, cool, the installer for Debian allows for that? I have used that process with Ubuntu. Thanks! |
| 04:42.21 | wols | yes it does |
| 04:42.52 | squisher | tidux, did you log everything out and log back in? may reboot to make sure nothing is left from before? |
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| 04:44.51 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: ok I have to add my user to fuse? "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" |
| 04:45.27 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, yes |
| 04:45.39 | squisher | adduser $(whoami) fuse |
| 04:46.11 | squisher | well, throw a sudo in front of that... otherwise it doesn't make much sense ;-) |
| 04:46.28 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: root is already apart of fuse group right? |
| 04:46.54 | squisher | root has permissions anyway, yes: see ls -l /dev/fuse |
| 04:47.00 | tidux | lightdm was doing weird things |
| 04:47.01 | tidux | rebooting |
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| 04:47.43 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: I added my user at the root prompt with "adduser lance fuse" and nothing, I still get the permissions error |
| 04:48.31 | tidux | hm |
| 04:48.32 | tidux | no |
| 04:48.35 | tidux | daemon startup still failed |
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| 04:49.21 | mikodo | :-) |
| 04:49.32 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, you need to log out completely and back in |
| 04:49.44 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: I thought that brb |
| 04:49.48 | squisher | unfortunately group membership won't be reflected otherwise |
| 04:50.06 | tidux | god fucking dammit |
| 04:50.10 | tidux | now I'm back to square one |
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| 04:50.26 | tidux | fuck Lennart Poettering and every stupid piece of software he ever wrote |
| 04:50.31 | tidux | I wish his mother had killed him as a child |
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| 04:50.51 | squisher | tidux, seriously, calm down |
| 04:51.40 | squisher | specially because you have choices: you can simply remove pulseaudio and use just alsa |
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| 04:51.51 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: there we go |
| 04:52.07 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: how secure is this btw? |
| 04:52.37 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, pretty secure... it is ssh. Only "open" part afaik are other local users in the fuse group |
| 04:53.01 | ShapeShifter499 | I should probably remount the remote as a normal user so I don't have to ssh(fs) as root to remote mount those hard drives |
| 04:53.07 | squisher | so as long as you're the only physical users, it's about as good as it gets |
| 04:53.17 | squisher | yes |
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| 04:53.33 | tidux | squisher: except that a few programs I use don't WORK with just ALSA |
| 04:53.42 | tidux | so I can either give up on them entirely or try fixing this |
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| 04:54.35 | ShapeShifter499 | squisher: this is a server I own (just a old netbook on my lan) do I have any security issues mounting as non-root? |
| 04:54.36 | squisher | tidux, your choice. I'm not always happy with pulseaudio, but no reason to damn a person that gave you software for free. |
| 04:55.36 | squisher | ShapeShifter499, you have less security issues if you don't ssh in as root if you don't have to... you still need to mount everything on that server as root, but you can give a user permission to use the disks |
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| 04:57.48 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, ping |
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| 05:00.05 | voldial | How do I log each process that starts on a (sysV) system along with it's args? I started the acct service, and dump-acct /var/account/pacct gives me a list of processes but no args. |
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| 05:03.25 | dooglus_ | hi. I just installed the xfce stable debian release, but would now like to add a few gnome packages. I'm not finding them in the repositories - what do I need to do? |
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| 05:03.51 | dooglus_ | I get "E: Unable to locate package gnome-themes-extras |
| 05:03.53 | dooglus_ | " |
| 05:04.28 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: pong |
| 05:04.39 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, i have came across this |
| 05:04.46 | AndreeeCZ | If you are going to dual boot with Windows 7, don't copy the iso onto the USB stick. The Debian installer running from the USB stick boots in EFI mode. Your Windows 7 system was most likely installed in BIOS mode. As a result, the Debian installer may not detect the Windows 7 partitions. You may not be able to boot into Windows 7 if you run the Linux installer from the USB stick. |
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| 05:05.37 | Aeiri | ive never owned an EFI machine yet so i havent encountered that stuff |
| 05:05.50 | Aeiri | wait |
| 05:05.55 | Aeiri | i did debug an EFI machine once |
| 05:06.08 | Aeiri | i was able to read the hard drive just fine |
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| 05:06.29 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, well you are lucky |
| 05:06.42 | AndreeeCZ | one hour ago, i wanted to hang myself |
| 05:06.43 | Aeiri | i dont think EFI has anything to do with partitioning |
| 05:06.53 | AndreeeCZ | gpt/mbr ? |
| 05:07.37 | Aeiri | oh was it the bootloader i bet |
| 05:07.53 | Aeiri | aparently they create a system partition and that was what that tiny 120MB partition was |
| 05:08.00 | Aeiri | the bootloader for EFI shit |
| 05:08.09 | Aeiri | interesting |
| 05:09.56 | AndreeeCZ | i dont know yet |
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| 05:13.54 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, win7 install done |
| 05:14.00 | AndreeeCZ | now pray |
| 05:14.12 | Aeiri | k |
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| 05:14.32 | codesoup | dooglus_, have you done apt-get update |
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| 05:23.31 | Juzzy | is there a cli tool to probe my monitor for xorg.conf? |
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| 05:24.00 | Juzzy | whatever happened to XConfigurator |
| 05:24.01 | Juzzy | :( |
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| 05:26.56 | wols | you shouldn't need to do this. what monitor is this? ancient 14" multisync CRT? |
| 05:27.34 | pl_ | How was it GREAT to get rid of xorg.conf |
| 05:27.46 | wols | no one got rid of it |
| 05:28.23 | ShapeShifter499 | ok so I'm trying to setup my server to automount two hard drives at boot. In fstab should I add uid=1000 (my non-root user)? |
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| 05:29.56 | pl_ | wols, I don't have it and it has been like this for years |
| 05:29.57 | diogenes__ | Alright...which ISO should I download for an Intel Core2 Duo? |
| 05:30.12 | pl_ | amd64 |
| 05:30.41 | wols | you can easily create your own xorg.conf and it will be used. also for years |
| 05:30.52 | wols | if you have a proprietary driver you even must have one |
| 05:31.00 | wols | diogenes__: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 05:31.21 | diogenes__ | A Gig. Small Dell laptop. |
| 05:31.33 | wols | then get i386 |
| 05:31.52 | diogenes__ | Thought amd64 was only for AMD Processors. |
| 05:31.53 | pl_ | wols, right, but most of the time you don't need to have one. And if you do it's normally without those Modeline lines |
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| 05:32.40 | wols | diogenes__: no it's for amd and intel. just like i386 is for amd and intel. but you have a low amount of RAM, so amd64 would run but not give you much benefit at all. i386 is more suited with 1GB of RAM |
| 05:32.49 | pl_ | diogenes__, no, it's just the amd came first. |
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| 05:33.51 | AndreeeCZ | Aeiri, ping |
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| 05:34.04 | floatingpoint | hey where are debian's apt pins configured? |
| 05:34.16 | diogenes__ | Heh...so either one should work. I will be adding more RAM. |
| 05:34.42 | pl_ | wols, but what about features like the NX bit? |
| 05:35.00 | pl_ | can the i386 kernel use them? |
| 05:35.16 | pl_ | or the intel virtualization stuff |
| 05:35.29 | diogenes__ | AMD64 works on a Core2 Duo? |
| 05:35.40 | pl_ | diogenes__, yes. |
| 05:35.54 | Juzzy | wols, this is a blackbox linux box, i have a new LED monitor plugged up to it but the old config has a generic monitor |
| 05:36.00 | Aeiri | AndreeeCZ: pong |
| 05:36.10 | Juzzy | I just want to prove my minitor to add the details to the xorg.conf |
| 05:36.14 | AndreeeCZ | so, no luck again. Same result as before |
| 05:36.26 | AndreeeCZ | it must be the efi boot to usb |
| 05:37.00 | Aeiri | yeah... |
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| 05:41.09 | floatingpoint | how would I add an oldstable line to my sources.list file |
| 05:43.35 | wols | Juzzy: so this isn't a debian installation? |
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| 05:43.59 | wols | Juzzy: pastebin your Xorg.0.log please |
| 05:45.39 | stew | floatingpoint: man sources.list ; you should just be able to edit your sources.list and copy a deb line but change the distribution from something like "wheezy" to "oldstable" |
| 05:45.58 | floatingpoint | ok |
| 05:46.10 | floatingpoint | is it preferred to have wheezy instead of stable in sources? |
| 05:46.14 | stew | floatingpoint: apt pins are configured in apt.preferences, see man apt-preferences |
| 05:46.18 | stew | floatingpoint: YES |
| 05:46.28 | floatingpoint | why |
| 05:46.32 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I think I have everything working now |
| 05:47.18 | stew | "stable" is somehting that will change sometime in the future, when it does change, you should be following chapter 4 of the jessy release notes to upgrade from wheezy to jessy, not just have it randomly switch behind your back and good luck with whatever happens on your next install/upgrade |
| 05:47.34 | floatingpoint | stew ok, i figured |
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| 05:53.18 | floatingpoint | wtf does htis mean Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences, no Package header |
| 05:54.31 | ShapeShifter499 | if my non-root user is already apart of the fuse group why can't I umount something I already mounted under the same non-root user? |
| 05:54.33 | BenNZ | floatingpoint: put your /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences file on dpaste.com |
| 05:54.58 | BenNZ | ShapeShifter499: are you using fusermount -u /path/to/mountpoint ? |
| 05:55.02 | floatingpoint | BenNZ http://dpaste.com/1746959/ |
| 05:55.24 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: no I'm sshfs mounting a remote hard drive that is connected to a server in my lan |
| 05:55.43 | floatingpoint | did i fat-finger something? |
| 05:56.19 | themill | floatingpoint: which release of debian is this? |
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| 05:56.27 | floatingpoint | themill wheezy |
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| 05:56.35 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: sshfs non-root@192.168.1.1:/media/usb0 /media/sshfs1 -o uid=1000 |
| 05:57.03 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: also running the sshfs command as non-root |
| 05:57.04 | BenNZ | ShapeShifter499: does fusermount -u /media/sshfs1 unmount it ? |
| 05:57.40 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: yes that seems to have done it |
| 05:57.46 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: why is that? |
| 05:57.54 | floatingpoint | themill BenNZ figured it out |
| 05:58.00 | floatingpoint | there was a space before Package |
| 05:58.02 | floatingpoint | damnit |
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| 05:58.30 | BenNZ | floatingpoint: beat me to it |
| 05:58.37 | floatingpoint | :) |
| 05:58.58 | floatingpoint | trying to upgrade my system as much as possible |
| 05:59.14 | floatingpoint | pinning a package to a specific release still updates the package, right? |
| 05:59.50 | BenNZ | floatingpoint: depends on the preferences file |
| 05:59.57 | floatingpoint | how about mine? |
| 06:00.08 | themill | floatingpoint: you're only going to get updates for oldstable for another couple of months according to the current plans. |
| 06:00.14 | floatingpoint | I basically need to stay with php5.3 |
| 06:00.23 | floatingpoint | (I know this is a problem) |
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| 06:01.07 | themill | floatingpoint: yes, it's not a sustainable situation. You either need to rewrite your php in whatever dialect of php is supported in wheezy or rewrite your php in something less insane. |
| 06:01.20 | BenNZ | floatingpoint: you can choose not to install a later version of those packages but this could cause headaches later on |
| 06:01.35 | floatingpoint | yeah, I know. unfortunately, we're talking druapl 6 here |
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| 06:01.46 | floatingpoint | I'm waiting for drupal8, and then php5.5 it is |
| 06:01.47 | themill | floatingpoint: upgrading to a newer drupal is not an option? |
| 06:02.10 | floatingpoint | this is also sort of a hobby for me at the moment, so time is limited |
| 06:02.16 | floatingpoint | it's hughley annoying |
| 06:02.39 | themill | (drupal7 supports php5.4 which is in wheezy) |
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| 06:02.56 | floatingpoint | yeah I'm aware |
| 06:03.09 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: do you know why I have to use "fusermount -u" instead of plan old "umount" to unmount a mounted directory? |
| 06:03.14 | floatingpoint | the time necessary to upgrade is non-trivial (likely a few hundred hours) |
| 06:03.43 | stew | a few hundred hours? |
| 06:03.55 | floatingpoint | yeah |
| 06:03.55 | BenNZ | ShapeShifter499: umount requires root access, whereas fusermount requires fuse group access |
| 06:04.03 | floatingpoint | lots and lots of custom modules |
| 06:04.04 | stew | sounds like a poor choice for a platform then |
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| 06:04.28 | floatingpoint | I agree. if only I knew 5 years ago what I know now |
| 06:04.34 | ShapeShifter499 | BenNZ: ah ok |
| 06:04.35 | themill | memo to self: run and hide if someone suggests drupal |
| 06:05.01 | floatingpoint | the upgrade wouldn't be bad if we weren't dealing with such a large site + had a dedicated dev team |
| 06:05.04 | floatingpoint | but this is a hobby |
| 06:05.55 | stew | its probably one of the more sane php frameworks as well |
| 06:06.15 | floatingpoint | nodejs is just as bad (if not worse) though |
| 06:06.30 | floatingpoint | this is just the name of the game I guess |
| 06:07.05 | stew | i head nodejs is what you use when you want to run "close to the metal" |
| 06:07.20 | floatingpoint | wut |
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| 06:07.34 | stew | yes, google "nodejs" and "close to the metal" |
| 06:07.37 | floatingpoint | wait, joke right? |
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| 06:08.40 | stew | floatingpoint: i think it is a joke, but if you google that you will find people that thing it isn't a joke |
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| 06:09.05 | floatingpoint | don't get me wrong, javascript is super fast these days, but uh, it's no c |
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| 06:09.18 | stew | not as big of a joke as php, in general, but still a pretty good joke |
| 06:09.36 | floatingpoint | i hate php so much |
| 06:10.25 | floatingpoint | hm |
| 06:10.26 | stew | have you seen the "fractal of bad design" writeup? |
| 06:10.39 | floatingpoint | looks like the pin worked though. time to an upgrade on production! |
| 06:10.42 | floatingpoint | heyooooo |
| 06:10.44 | stew | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
| 06:10.55 | stew | i read this when I want to feel better about myself |
| 06:10.58 | floatingpoint | i'll give it a read in a little bit |
| 06:11.10 | floatingpoint | i need to do like 10 things right now |
| 06:11.22 | stew | i'm married to a PHP programmer btw. I think she is doing it just as some 15 year long elaborate troll though |
| 06:11.30 | floatingpoint | lololol |
| 06:11.41 | floatingpoint | what's she do? |
| 06:12.45 | stew | mostly e-commerce, some general "linux system administration" |
| 06:12.52 | floatingpoint | word |
| 06:13.17 | floatingpoint | how can I tell what version a specific package will be upgraded to if i do apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:13.42 | stew | "apt-get -s upgrade" is --simulate |
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| 06:14.33 | stew | you can also "apt-cache policy packagname" |
| 06:14.34 | floatingpoint | ah ok |
| 06:14.37 | floatingpoint | well |
| 06:14.39 | floatingpoint | here we go |
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| 06:16.19 | dagerik | time (cp large-file /mnt/usb/; sync) and then dividing file size by time, gives a somewhat correct writing speed. im getting 5,5 MB/s on this old usb drive here. |
| 06:16.37 | dagerik | is there a better way to measure usb write speed? |
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| 06:17.43 | floatingpoint | please cross your fingers + play to the based god for me |
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| 06:29.05 | floatingpoint | well, that was painless |
| 06:29.13 | floatingpoint | thanks for the help folks |
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| 06:30.06 | Omilun | hello |
| 06:30.31 | Omilun | i need sudo on terminal how can i use sudo ? |
| 06:30.56 | Sir_Designer | add yourself as a superuser to /etc/sudoers |
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| 06:32.10 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: how? |
| 06:32.21 | Sir_Designer | su - |
| 06:32.28 | Sir_Designer | enter superuser password |
| 06:32.38 | Sir_Designer | vi /etc/sudoers |
| 06:32.50 | Sir_Designer | follow the format in the file |
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| 06:33.57 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: ok thx but how save and change it? |
| 06:34.16 | Sir_Designer | :wq (inside vi) |
| 06:35.21 | Omilun | i dont know that |
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| 06:39.33 | shellox | what's version number Version: 4:3.4.11.1-2 for humans? |
| 06:39.42 | shellox | 3.4.11.1 ? |
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| 06:42.12 | themill | shellox: depends what information the human is interested in |
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| 06:44.58 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: ok learn vi |
| 06:45.09 | Sir_Designer | or emacs |
| 06:45.12 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: but this file readonly |
| 06:45.23 | themill | use visudo, not vi /etc/sudoers |
| 06:45.28 | Sir_Designer | you have to be root, i told you |
| 06:45.43 | themill | !visudo |
| 06:45.43 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: im in su |
| 06:45.44 | dpkg | visudo is, like, how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
| 06:46.04 | themill | Omilun: also, all you need to do is "adduser yourusername sudo" |
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| 06:46.11 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: root@Omilun:/home/omilun# |
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| 06:47.45 | Sir_Designer | <themill> Omilun: also, all you need to do is "adduser yourusername sudo" <-- thanks. |
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| 06:48.58 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: so its not perfect id |
| 06:49.03 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: thx |
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| 07:13.49 | tapout | debian_version = 6 has ... php5-suhosin ... debian_version = 7 ... does not have the package, why is that? |
| 07:13.56 | Omilun | Sir_Designer: #adduser omilun sudo ---> The user `omilun' is already a member of `sudo'. |
| 07:13.56 | Omilun | ... i do it but not change shell said im not sudoer :( |
| 07:14.50 | Aeiri | check visudo to see if group sudo is set up right |
| 07:15.50 | themill | Omilun: did you log out and log back in again after adding yourself to that group? |
| 07:16.16 | themill | !suhosin |
| 07:16.17 | dpkg | Suhosin is a protection system for <PHP>. The PHP patch was disabled at php5 5.3.9-4, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00079.html for rationale. The PHP extension (php5-suhosin package) is not available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" due to bug #675312. For squeeze->wheezy upgrades, run «dpkg --purge php5-suhosin» to remove /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini (see §4.5 of the <wheezy release notes>). |
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| 07:16.27 | Omilun | need logout? themill |
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| 07:17.19 | tapout | themill, thank you. |
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| 07:20.21 | blast_hardcheese | I'm running mdadm (raid6 over 5 drives, 9tb space) + lvm2 with ext4 partitions on jessie. Somehow, after about a week and a half of not being used, the performance on this machine has dropped to unusable levels. |
| 07:20.52 | blast_hardcheese | A simple test of running 'time for F in {0..100}; do echo "Hey$F" | tee someFile2-$F; done; time sync', |
| 07:21.23 | blast_hardcheese | the loop completes in between 7 and 15 seconds, the sync completes in anywhere from 10 to 45 seconds |
| 07:22.30 | blast_hardcheese | I changed my mount options to attempt to troubleshoot this, but it didn't make much of a difference-- I changed the value of "stripe" to 640, as per the manpage's suggestion given my RAID setup, and disabled atime and diratime |
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| 07:52.55 | blast_hardcheese | ugh, `time sync` takes 8 seconds after deleting 200 very small files |
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| 07:53.40 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, even worse, `time sync` took 12.5 seconds after _nothing_ changed |
| 07:54.03 | blast_hardcheese | This is a headless box, there are very few processes running on it |
| 07:54.41 | jelly-home | blast_hardcheese: "noatime" implies "nodiratime", there's no need to use both |
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| 07:57.12 | blast_hardcheese | jelly-home: Gotcha |
| 07:57.26 | blast_hardcheese | It took 4 seconds to 'vim /etc/fstab' |
| 07:57.47 | blast_hardcheese | 5 seconds to write after making the change |
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| 08:00.19 | nell | http://paste.debian.net/88655/ how do I find out what these link to? |
| 08:00.24 | nell | before i remove something important |
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| 08:08.49 | blast_hardcheese | nell: I'd find /usr/local -type f -perm +111, testing what things in there are linked to each of the libraries in there |
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| 08:11.10 | FuuqUmiist | does debian make a separate home and root partition by default? |
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| 08:12.03 | blast_hardcheese | FuuqUmiist: It has a couple modes of operation. Partitioning doesn't happen by default, you are given options |
| 08:12.24 | blast_hardcheese | It presents "all files in one partition", and automatically splitting out certain partitions |
| 08:12.30 | blast_hardcheese | I don't remember if home is part of that list or not |
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| 08:13.25 | factor | when I try to mount a debian iso cdrom I cant get the packages most of the structure seems fine, what woudl be the issue mount path/to/iso1.iso /media/iso1 -oloop |
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| 08:14.29 | nkuttler | factor: command + error? |
| 08:14.57 | factor | should it be -o loop |
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| 08:17.00 | blast_hardcheese | nell: Something like this: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2014-03-20/testlink.sh |
| 08:17.26 | blast_hardcheese | although I don't have anything on my local machine that I can test that with |
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| 08:19.35 | MotherOfRoot | hey guys |
| 08:19.53 | MotherOfRoot | how to execute it : ssh -l userDistant serveurSSH |
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| 08:20.25 | nkuttler | MotherOfRoot: what do you mean? just type the command |
| 08:20.42 | MotherOfRoot | It tell me "not found" |
| 08:20.47 | MotherOfRoot | im noob :( |
| 08:20.49 | nkuttler | what not found? |
| 08:21.19 | Pocahantass | "ssh : could not resolve hostname serveurSSH: Name or service not known |
| 08:21.21 | MotherOfRoot | yes that it |
| 08:21.38 | nkuttler | MotherOfRoot: well, use the real server, and the real username as well |
| 08:22.15 | MotherOfRoot | Ah thanks ! |
| 08:22.18 | Pocahantass | yes thkx |
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| 08:23.12 | blast_hardcheese | MotherOfRoot, Pocahantass: Are you guys working on some kind of competition or something? |
| 08:23.59 | Pocahantass | yes it's class |
| 08:24.07 | MotherOfRoot | yes |
| 08:24.11 | MotherOfRoot | but we are bad |
| 08:24.22 | Pocahantass | so i'm little lost... i don't know what it's my serveursssh |
| 08:24.23 | Pocahantass | ... |
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| 08:24.33 | Pocahantass | sshserver* |
| 08:24.48 | jelly-home | Pocahantass: it's a placeholder for an actual serveur |
| 08:25.04 | nkuttler | Pocahantass: well talk to a network admin, or supervisor |
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| 08:25.19 | MotherOfRoot | how to know this place ? It's in another Computer ? |
| 08:25.38 | nkuttler | MotherOfRoot: who gave you this command? |
| 08:25.57 | MotherOfRoot | I found it alone |
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| 08:26.19 | MotherOfRoot | we need to create tunnel |
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| 08:26.34 | nkuttler | what kind of tunnel? |
| 08:26.51 | MotherOfRoot | tunnel with redirection of local port |
| 08:27.10 | nkuttler | MotherOfRoot: yeah.. so you need a remote host you can ssh into to set up the forwarding |
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| 08:27.33 | MotherOfRoot | Ok thx and how tio have this host ? |
| 08:28.05 | nkuttler | maybe you want to install a few virtual machines and network them... |
| 08:28.14 | Pocahantass | I am lost I have to establish a connection SSh traditional with my server SSH. Only, I don't know my server shh.. |
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| 08:28.27 | MotherOfRoot | ok thx im gonna try |
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| 08:29.41 | Pocahantass | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.56 | Pocahantass | help please |
| 08:30.59 | Pocahantass | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.13 | Pocahantass | how do this . |
| 08:31.16 | Pocahantass | ? |
| 08:31.19 | LaptopBrain | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ttf-mscorefonts-installer <-- i can't find this package with apt. any ideas why not? |
| 08:31.25 | LaptopBrain | apt-cache finds nothing like it |
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| 08:31.45 | Pocahantass | apt-cache |
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| 08:32.19 | relaxed | LaptopBrain: you may need "non-free contrib" in your sources.list |
| 08:32.31 | relaxed | if you already don't |
| 08:32.44 | Pocahantass | i dont know how do a ssh server |
| 08:33.01 | Procy0n | Pocahantass, take that discussion somewhere else – or rather, do your own homework. Don |
| 08:33.05 | Procy0n | 't flood the channel |
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| 08:33.15 | LaptopBrain | thanks relaxed i'll try that |
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| 08:33.20 | abhvym | hello |
| 08:33.34 | abhvym | i am creating custome live debian. how do i set it to autologin? |
| 08:33.50 | Pocahantass | fuck... |
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| 08:34.03 | Pocahantass | it's really big shit |
| 08:34.32 | Pocahantass | you send me to somewhere else also that i need help ;) |
| 08:34.42 | Pocahantass | fuck you .. i go windows |
| 08:34.46 | relaxed | abhvym: probably through whichever login manager you're using. Lightdm, gdm3 |
| 08:35.29 | relaxed | abhvym: are you using live-build ? |
| 08:35.33 | SynrG | abhvym: using live-build? autologin is the default |
| 08:35.49 | abhvym | relaxed, debootstrap |
| 08:35.49 | abhvym | i followed this guide http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/ |
| 08:36.12 | SynrG | consider using live-build. see http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 08:36.30 | abhvym | ok. i will have to start agin. its just a autologin? |
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| 08:37.15 | SynrG | abhvym: i quote from this guide "If you are wondering why I did not use live-build I will say that I fought with live-build 3.0~a24-1ubuntu32.5 for several evenings before I admitted defeat." |
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| 08:37.21 | relaxed | abhvym: yes, live-build automates all of this. Do yourself a favor and use it instead. |
| 08:37.24 | SynrG | the reason for this user's failure is that version is total crap |
| 08:37.30 | SynrG | the one in debian is good |
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| 08:37.47 | UrMother | hi |
| 08:38.00 | abhvym | :-( |
| 08:38.05 | UrMother | how do you do to established an server ssh ? |
| 08:38.06 | MotherOfRoot | hi |
| 08:38.10 | abhvym | okey. |
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| 08:38.27 | abhvym | UrMother, instal openssh server and openssh client |
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| 08:38.38 | UrMother | tkx |
| 08:38.42 | SynrG | abhvym: also, the author of this article is building on ubuntu, but probably wasn't aware the debian wheezy version works just fine on ubuntu. |
| 08:39.02 | abhvym | ok |
| 08:39.26 | SynrG | abhvym: for more help with live-build, join us at #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net |
| 08:39.38 | JaneSmith | I need some advice, what VPS should I pick OpenVZ, Xen or KVM? (simple web, jabber, mail) |
| 08:39.39 | abhvym | okies. |
| 08:40.19 | abhvym | SynrG, and to use live-build i will have to be inside debian same architecture? |
| 08:40.23 | SynrG | JaneSmith: the one that offers you the best service for the lowest price? :) |
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| 08:40.39 | SynrG | JaneSmith: not sure why the underlying technology matters ... |
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| 08:41.11 | relaxed | KVM has worked well for me in the past. |
| 08:41.15 | SynrG | abhvym: no. you can build i386 images on amd64 systems |
| 08:41.15 | themill | JaneSmith: openvz is a dead end so I wouldn't pick that one |
| 08:41.40 | abhvym | SynrG, ok. but can i do debian live-build from ubuntu? |
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| 08:42.02 | SynrG | abhvym: yes. that's what i said above. |
| 08:42.12 | SynrG | < SynrG> abhvym: also, the author of this article is building on ubuntu, but probably wasn't aware the debian wheezy version works just fine on ubuntu. |
| 08:42.13 | Selfarian | hi |
| 08:42.22 | Selfarian | is it somehow possible, to find out, how a file was created? |
| 08:42.49 | abhvym | ok |
| 08:43.00 | abhvym | Selfarian, define how |
| 08:43.17 | SynrG | abhvym: just remember when building a wheezy image to override the defaults which are set to your own distro/release: |
| 08:43.33 | LaptopBrain | thanks relaxed, it was hidden under non-free |
| 08:43.33 | abhvym | ok |
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| 08:43.44 | SynrG | abhvym: mkdir mylive && cd mylive && lb config --mode debian --distribution wheezy && sudo live-build |
| 08:43.55 | SynrG | abhvym: ^^ a complete recipe to build a base wheezy imge. |
| 08:43.58 | SynrG | image* |
| 08:44.15 | themill | LaptopBrain: contrib, actually |
| 08:44.23 | Selfarian | i have an php script, which i think was created by an security hole in an cms, but i don't really know. I want to know, if it's possible, to find out, if the file was created by an ssh user, or if it was created by the way above... or sth else |
| 08:44.37 | SynrG | abhvym: but do install the *wheezy* live-build from http://packages.debian.org/live-build not the crappy one in ubuntu. |
| 08:44.56 | abhvym | ok. got it. |
| 08:46.27 | SynrG | Selfarian: you might be able to find out by monitoring file changes *when* it happens but i don't think you can after the fact unless the way it was created leaves some clues (e.g. something distinctive about its metadata or contents) |
| 08:46.56 | Selfarian | okay |
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| 08:47.36 | Selfarian | but... if it was an ssh user, there should be a log in /var/log/auth.log, right? |
| 08:47.43 | MotherOfRoot | heyy$ |
| 08:48.14 | SynrG | Selfarian: there are other circumstantial pieces of evidence you might use like that, yes. |
| 08:48.30 | Selfarian | okay |
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| 08:49.00 | SynrG | Selfarian: the whole topic of forensics is rather broad and hard to cover here in the abstract. are you talking about the compromise of a debian system? |
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| 08:50.32 | Selfarian | yes |
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| 08:53.15 | Selfarian | is it possible to view all files of a directory, which are changed or created in a specific timeslot? |
| 08:53.47 | blast_hardcheese | Selfarian: check out "find" |
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| 08:57.16 | Selfarian | thank you |
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| 09:17.23 | war9407 | EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL needed I guess |
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| 09:49.34 | josvuk | disk utility shows smart values , but smartctl is not installed. |
| 09:49.44 | josvuk | How is this possible? |
| 09:50.03 | colo-work | it probably has its own implementation of the smart protocol? |
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| 09:58.17 | abhvym | how do i recreate the hybrid iso after a made changes using live-build tool? |
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| 10:01.37 | berceanu | how can i convert a djvu file to pdf in debian? |
| 10:02.04 | rainEF | hi, i wanna begin use debian distrubution, is there a good begginer guide for me? |
| 10:02.18 | berceanu | i remember there was djvu2pdf but i cant find it |
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| 10:04.14 | blast_hardcheese | berceanu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=djvu2pdf%20debian suggests a debian package available via the authors |
| 10:04.27 | blast_hardcheese | Searching the debian package repo found nothing, https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=djvu2pdf&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 10:06.36 | berceanu | blast_hardcheese: yes, so, any other suggestions? |
| 10:07.45 | relaxed | berceanu: install djview4; open and export to pdf |
| 10:07.52 | blast_hardcheese | berceanu: Read the first thing I said...? |
| 10:08.09 | Brigo | rainEF, http://debian.org/doc/ |
| 10:08.22 | abhvym | how do i recreate the hybrid iso after a made changes using live-build tool? |
| 10:08.23 | blast_hardcheese | relaxed's solution seems better though, since it doesn't involve installing random debs from the net |
| 10:08.30 | Brigo | berceanu, there is a pdf2djvu ... |
| 10:08.48 | rainEF | Brigo,thank u |
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| 10:09.17 | Brigo | rainEF, np |
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| 10:09.50 | babilen | rainEF: http://debian-handbook.info/ is excellent |
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| 10:12.15 | abhvym | how do i recreate the hybrid iso after a made changes using live-build tool? |
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| 10:12.20 | berceanu | relaxed: blast_hardcheese: ty! |
| 10:12.40 | abhvym | ld build just pullls data from internet. how do i build iso of my changes ? |
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| 10:14.49 | relaxed | abhvym: read the guide at the live-build website |
| 10:15.06 | pranix | hello |
| 10:15.07 | abhvym | relaxed, it talk about running ld build. that command pulls everything from internet |
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| 10:16.06 | relaxed | abhvym: I'm guessing there's a way to have it pull from a cd, although I've never tried that. |
| 10:16.32 | abhvym | i dont want it to pull from cd. i am making changes such as install custome software etc. i want it to include that. |
| 10:16.54 | relaxed | abhvym: that's all cover in the guide. rtfm |
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| 10:17.03 | abhvym | lmrtfm |
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| 10:21.09 | Zitter | Hi, when I pm-suspend CPU fan doesn't stop. Any hint on how to solve it? I'm googling with no success :/ |
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| 10:22.16 | future28 | Hey there. I am using wheezy currently and it has been nice to me for the better part of my Debian life. It looks as if my HDD is failing. I get odd errors on boot 50% of the time and fsck runs. I have encrypted the volume and it is ext4. Can I simply clone the entire fs onto another HDD and swap it out without changing anything? |
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| 10:23.06 | lorenzo | future28, if you get read errors you're going to get them on the clone too |
| 10:23.09 | lorenzo | if data is already corrupted |
| 10:23.19 | Brigo | futex, do you have backups? |
| 10:23.30 | lorenzo | you should have backed it up before :> |
| 10:23.48 | future28 | lorenzo - If I do a repair on the faulty stuff on the new HDD, it wont recur though right? |
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| 10:24.03 | future28 | I do have a backup of 1 week before bad things started happening so I am quite alright |
| 10:24.09 | lorenzo | I doubt you can generate information out of nowhere |
| 10:24.33 | future28 | Lorenzo - No data has been lost (yet) - It's been succesfully repaired AFAIK each time. |
| 10:24.48 | lorenzo | then it should work, if you can get a working image out of it |
| 10:24.57 | lorenzo | without errors on the next fsck if the drive is new |
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| 10:25.09 | future28 | I'm using it right now if that helps |
| 10:25.45 | lorenzo | I'm not sure about badblocks behaviour though, but bad block table should be on the drive |
| 10:26.02 | future28 | Okay cool - Does anyone have a suggestion as to what program I should use to do the clone? Estimated timing? It's a 750 GB drive which is about 40 % full |
| 10:26.46 | Brigo | future28, fi you are using wheezy, reinstall in the new disk, and use this one like bakcup |
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| 10:26.53 | Brigo | s/if/if |
| 10:27.41 | future28 | Brigo: You mean to install Wheezy from scratch and just copy the neccesary data back? |
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| 10:27.58 | Brigo | you can get the list of installed packages with dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:28.09 | Brigo | future28, yes, mainly in /home |
| 10:28.19 | future28 | Ah, so then I can just reinstall the packages like that? |
| 10:28.26 | Brigo | yes |
| 10:28.33 | future28 | Nice. I back up /etc /home and all of my configuration files |
| 10:28.39 | future28 | Once a week onto a local server |
| 10:28.58 | Brigo | very good, backup too dpkg --get-selections :) |
| 10:29.07 | Brigo | output, i mind :) |
| 10:29.07 | future28 | I'll do so now, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 10:29.19 | Brigo | np :) |
| 10:29.30 | future28 | Is there a simple way to use the output file to get the packages again? I guess I shall look at the output first |
| 10:30.13 | future28 | Bah I hope so, 2213 packages :s |
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| 10:31.49 | Brigo | future28, dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 |
| 10:32.06 | Brigo | future28, to get only the names. |
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| 10:32.37 | Brigo | and for installing apt-get install $(cat <filename.lst>) |
| 10:32.49 | Brigo | future28, dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 > filename.lst |
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| 10:34.23 | babilen | dpkg: aptitude clone |
| 10:34.24 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 10:34.55 | babilen | future28, Brigo: ^^^ that keeps the information about manually/automatically installed packages |
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| 10:39.24 | skulk | hi guys. Debian install on ASUS N76VM works great. But no wireless Centrino N-2230 detected. i used the debian-live-7.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso file to install from USB. i was sure that most common wireless drivers was included in Debian. |
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| 10:41.04 | wols | skulk: you need the non-free intel firmware |
| 10:41.09 | wols | !tell skulk about iwlwifi |
| 10:42.47 | skulk | how much does it cost ? |
| 10:42.48 | skulk | :D |
| 10:43.02 | skulk | i will check out iwlifi |
| 10:43.20 | skulk | or iwlwifi.. what ever site loads the best |
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| 10:44.54 | babilen | skulk: It is "non-free" in the sense of the DFSG (cf. https://www.debian.org/social_contract) -- I would also generally recommend to use a standard install image for installing Debian and not the live ones, but that shouldn't be the issue here. |
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| 10:46.03 | skulk | babilen: thx.. i was just trying to be funny.. or atleast witty with my remark |
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| 10:46.10 | babilen | skulk: A suitable sources.list for you would look like http://paste.debian.net/88679 and you can then run "apt-get update" and install the firmware with "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi". Don't forget to cycle the module. |
| 10:46.27 | babilen | skulk: Ack, sorry for being serious ;) |
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| 10:55.11 | Brigo | future28, are you still there? |
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| 10:56.13 | Brigo | babilen, thanks for infomation about aptitude clone, new for me :) |
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| 10:57.24 | babilen | Brigo: You are welcome :) |
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| 10:58.41 | foobar29999 | help |
| 10:59.05 | future28 | Brigo: Hi just studying |
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| 10:59.15 | future28 | Thanks babilen |
| 10:59.45 | Brigo | ah, i wondering if you have read the babilen post, buy i see you did it :) |
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| 11:11.39 | cheater_1 | hi |
| 11:11.49 | cheater_1 | what is the relationship between debian wheezy and debian 6.0.7? |
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| 11:12.56 | relaxed | cheater_1: debian 6 is squeeze, the older stable release |
| 11:13.04 | cheater_1 | thanks |
| 11:13.10 | cheater_1 | wheezy is kinda-sorta 7, rght? |
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| 11:13.52 | relaxed | yes, wheezy is at 7.4. It's the current stable release. |
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| 11:41.22 | elichai2 | hi |
| 11:41.38 | elichai2 | i want to create a customized debian iso |
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| 11:41.47 | elichai2 | i went to this site: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD#Option_1:_Using_debmirror |
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| 11:42.13 | elichai2 | but the problem is that the link "available from alioth." is not exist |
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| 11:43.57 | elichai2 | any one? |
| 11:44.04 | elichai2 | someone ever customized a debian cd? |
| 11:44.14 | cromag | you should wait inhere for smoe time |
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| 11:44.30 | cromag | not alot of talk today.. :) |
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| 11:52.15 | mav | any hints/clues would be appreciated: http://paste.debian.net/88681/ machine spams that ~ 20 times and crashes after. happens like once every 2~ weeks now |
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| 11:55.13 | mav | squeeze machine.. it does ha-nfs on drbd/corosync/pacemaker |
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| 11:55.17 | spacedust | hi |
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| 11:55.54 | spacedust | i recently downloaded the lxde iso installer of debian 7 , and id like to use it from USB, but it cant find the cd, i tryed mounting the live media (/dev/sdb3) at the installer using the shell , but i couldnt |
| 11:56.01 | spacedust | could anyone help me with this ? |
| 11:56.12 | spacedust | i know i can dd the image, but i dont want to use it that way |
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| 11:57.13 | SynrG | spacedust: why? |
| 11:57.22 | SynrG | spacedust: if you're using unetbootin, don't |
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| 11:57.37 | spacedust | SynrG: is this question really relevant ? i have a dosen of answers why, no i dont use unetbootin |
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| 11:57.48 | spacedust | SynrG: i boot many live medias from the same usb, made manually |
| 11:58.08 | SynrG | yes, it's relevant. you have a problem using a non-standard method. the standard method works fine. |
| 11:58.11 | spacedust | SynrG: ubuntu and some others , i had to manually change the kernel parameters , but in the end it did work |
| 11:58.28 | spacedust | SynrG: ah i see, well its not very far from the standard method :) |
| 11:58.54 | SynrG | details, then: "i tryed mounting the live media (/dev/sdb3) at the installer using the shell , but i couldnt" |
| 11:58.55 | spacedust | SynrG: my only question is , why can't i mount /dev/sdb3 to /cdrom at the installer shell |
| 11:59.07 | dskfl | hi, i added a new group with groupadd -p 123 something as root, then with my normal user i did newgrp something and it's asking for a password , but it's not accepting 123 |
| 11:59.07 | spacedust | it sayd directory not found at least so i recall |
| 11:59.14 | SynrG | precisely |
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| 11:59.38 | SynrG | exact error output helps us give you exact answers. if you want vague answers, give us vague output ;) |
| 11:59.38 | spacedust | SynrG: but what is it that it cannot find ? the /cdrom directory is there i created it |
| 12:00.06 | spacedust | SynrG: i can reboot and come back with the exact message, but id rather discuss it a bit maybe and try to reboot then jus tto reboot for that message |
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| 12:00.34 | SynrG | we can speculate based on your hazy memory of the message, or we can cut to the chase and solve the problem with exact output |
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| 12:00.43 | spacedust | SynrG: okay brb in couple minutes |
| 12:00.55 | spacedust | ill come back with the exact message |
| 12:01.08 | spacedust | SynrG: do you know what fs types the installer supports ? |
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| 12:01.18 | spacedust | im using ext2, that could be the problem, maybe it just supports vfat ? |
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| 12:02.43 | SynrG | dskfl: i'm not sure if this is exactly your problem but the user's group membership is established at login. so if you didn't logout and login again after adding the user to the group, it will still not be in it |
| 12:03.04 | dskfl | i see |
| 12:03.06 | dskfl | thanks |
| 12:04.33 | elichai2 | someone ever customized a debian cd? |
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| 12:05.20 | OpenTokix | elichai2: Define customize? |
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| 12:08.11 | elichai2 | OpenTokix: put only the packages i want |
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| 12:08.17 | SynrG | elichai2: if you're talking about live images, yes. use live-build. |
| 12:08.25 | elichai2 | (add some of my own packages and remove all the others) |
| 12:08.33 | elichai2 | but it must be all offline |
| 12:08.35 | OpenTokix | elichai2: you can use preseed |
| 12:08.43 | elichai2 | whats preseed? |
| 12:08.50 | SynrG | for an installer, right. look in the Debian installation guide appendix on presseding |
| 12:08.58 | OpenTokix | elichai2: I have done that, it is quite a speedbump in the beginning, but when you done it once its pretty easy |
| 12:08.58 | SynrG | preseeding* |
| 12:09.05 | OpenTokix | elichai2: what SynrG said |
| 12:09.09 | SynrG | !preseed |
| 12:09.09 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 12:09.37 | SynrG | elichai2: the beauty of that is you don't need to modify the CD. just provide the preseed file |
| 12:09.59 | OpenTokix | SynrG: he has to build the CD, if its offline |
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| 12:10.10 | OpenTokix | or I guess easier to do it from a usbdrive or such |
| 12:10.11 | SynrG | OpenTokix: not if he has the full CD set |
| 12:10.19 | SynrG | just take the DVD-1 image or so |
| 12:10.47 | SynrG | provide it with your preseed.cfg and bam, custom install offline of just the packages you want. |
| 12:10.57 | elichai2 | OpenTokix: i will do it on usbdrive |
| 12:11.00 | OpenTokix | yeah, but he has to add it to the cd |
| 12:11.17 | SynrG | sure. but that's trivial. it's not like the horrendous "CD remastering" instructions all over the place |
| 12:11.18 | elichai2 | SynrG: i want that my CD will contain only specific packages |
| 12:11.21 | elichai2 | nothing else |
| 12:11.49 | SynrG | that's a bit tricker, but doable. |
| 12:12.22 | SynrG | !custom cd |
| 12:12.22 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
| 12:12.30 | SynrG | well, that's for netinst ... |
| 12:12.41 | elichai2 | :( |
| 12:12.50 | elichai2 | i guess simple-cdd won't help me here |
| 12:13.11 | SynrG | i am not so sure |
| 12:13.21 | SynrG | the factoid *claims* to be about netinst |
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| 12:14.56 | elichai2 | SynrG: maybe this can do what i need?: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 12:16.02 | SynrG | elichai2: i think simple-cdd may do it. why do you think it won't? |
| 12:16.26 | elichai2 | SynrG: cause i need to add an package from out of debian repos |
| 12:16.30 | SynrG | elichai2: also, it is supported on #debian-custom (though it's very small and people are very slow to respond) |
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| 12:17.55 | SynrG | elichai2: another option is to use live-build to build a custom live image and include --debian-installer live |
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| 12:18.50 | xreal | How can I figure out in which packages a special build header is? |
| 12:18.52 | SynrG | elichai2: this includes a complete debian-installer and boot option for "Install", which works just like a regular installer, except instead of the normal debian bootstrap, it uses the contents of the squashfs on the image. |
| 12:19.29 | SynrG | elichai2: instead of using preseed to make your package selection, you just alter the package list used to build the live image. |
| 12:19.40 | SynrG | elichai2: live-build supports inclusion of third-party repos |
| 12:20.09 | SynrG | elichai2: live-build also supports inclusion of individual .deb files, but including a third-party repo is the recommended way |
| 12:20.16 | dskfl | SynrG, well i found what was really happening. If you add a group with "groupadd -p 123 test" you can't use newgrp test because the password 123 won't work. It should be encrypted in /etc/gshadow but it's plain text. So you need to use gpasswd test and set the password, then it will work. Again inspecting /etc/gshadow shows that the password, this time is encrypted. |
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| 12:20.38 | SynrG | dskfl: aha. |
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| 12:21.02 | SynrG | dskfl: makes sense. i tend not to put passwords on the cmdline as that exposes it |
| 12:21.22 | SynrG | dskfl: anyone on the same machine could use 'ps' at the time the command is run to see it :p |
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| 12:21.57 | dskfl | SynrG, then why does groupadd has a password option if it's useless |
| 12:22.09 | SynrG | dskfl: it's not useless. it just needs to be used with care. |
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| 12:22.44 | dskfl | SynrG, like do i need to encrypt myself the password before |
| 12:22.56 | SynrG | e.g. offline, with /etc/nologin present, etc. |
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| 12:23.11 | dskfl | well |
| 12:23.37 | SynrG | arguably exposing the encrypted password is not a very high risk :) |
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| 12:23.49 | SynrG | but there is such a thing as a brute-force password cracker |
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| 12:25.13 | abrotman | SynrG: If you know of such things, the NSA might want to talk to you .. |
| 12:25.16 | SynrG | dskfl: hmm. i just read the man page and it more or less said what i just did :) |
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| 12:25.21 | elichai2 | SynrG: but the problem is i don't want the Unnecessary packages in the iso file, cause i will install it on a flash drive |
| 12:25.31 | AndreeeCZ | hi guys. anyone could help me with this? |
| 12:25.33 | AndreeeCZ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=112705 |
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| 12:25.39 | AndreeeCZ | pls |
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| 12:25.42 | abrotman | elichai2: install the extra packages or install the ISO? |
| 12:25.47 | SynrG | elichai2: i don't know what you mean by "the unnecessary packages" |
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| 12:26.20 | SynrG | elichai2: are you talking about an actual installer or *just a CD with a bunch of debs*? |
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| 12:27.03 | SynrG | elichai2: i think we all assumed you meant "an installer that includes only my selected debs" (which of course would contain a whole base debian system as well) |
| 12:27.06 | Spl0it_S4in7 | Hello , I am unable to update pakage list not able to wget anything |
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| 12:28.10 | SynrG | Spl0it_S4in7: on debian? and we need error output, if any, and at least the command(s) you're trying to execute. |
| 12:28.34 | Spl0it_S4in7 | When i try to apt-get update |
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| 12:28.51 | Spl0it_S4in7 | it's stuck at 100% [Waiting for headers] |
| 12:29.05 | Spl0it_S4in7 | and when i wget speed is --.- Kbps |
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| 12:29.35 | bitch | hey bitch |
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| 12:29.58 | Spl0it_S4in7 | what can be causing that? |
| 12:30.26 | elichai2 | SynrG: yeah that what i meant :) an install the includes only my selected debs |
| 12:30.59 | SynrG | elichai2: live-build configured with an installer gives you that. what "unnecessary packages" are you worried about? |
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| 12:32.38 | elichai2 | SynrG: i don't want the end iso to be a GB, it shoudn't be more than 300-400MB |
| 12:32.41 | SynrG | elichai2: 'mkdir mylive && lb config --debian-installer live && sudo lb build' builds you a base system with minimal additional packages to set up the live environment. you just need to add your package list to that before you lb build, and you're all set. see http://live.debian.net/manual |
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| 12:32.56 | SynrG | elichai2: what gave you the impression this would make it a GB? |
| 12:33.42 | Spl0it_S4in7 | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 12:33.42 | Spl0it_S4in7 | Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream] |
| 12:33.42 | Spl0it_S4in7 | Saving to: ‘100MB-atlanta.bin’ |
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| 12:34.07 | abrotman | cute .. |
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| 12:34.46 | Spl0it_S4in7 | ouch :P |
| 12:35.03 | abrotman | Spl0it_S4in7: just hit ctrl-c, try again |
| 12:35.13 | abrotman | Spl0it_S4in7: if it persists, try another mirror, like http.debian.net |
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| 12:36.00 | Spl0it_S4in7 | [application/octet-stream] |
| 12:36.00 | Spl0it_S4in7 | Saving to: ‘100MB-atlanta.bin’ |
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| 12:36.12 | Spl0it_S4in7 | while wgetting |
| 12:36.39 | Mikaela | What are you wgetting? |
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| 12:37.17 | Spl0it_S4in7 | https://www.linode.com/speedtest/ |
| 12:37.26 | SynrG | elichai2: i left out one step: 'mkdir mylive && cd mylive && lb config --debian-installer live && sudo lb build' sorry :) |
| 12:37.46 | elichai2 | SynrG: cause full CD is 700MB, and i will add some packages of my own, and it will be on an live installer = 1GB :) |
| 12:37.49 | SynrG | elichai2: the manual contains examples. an installer is one of those examples |
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| 12:38.10 | SynrG | elichai2: ok. well 'full CD' is not the default |
| 12:38.11 | elichai2 | ok, i will try :) |
| 12:38.16 | SynrG | a base system is |
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| 12:38.20 | SynrG | that's considerably smaller |
| 12:38.49 | elichai2 | SynrG: so just to run these commands? |
| 12:38.49 | SynrG | elichai2: once you do a simple base image build, then you can read the manual about how to add a 3rd party repo, etc. |
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| 12:39.15 | SynrG | elichai2: yes. you need the live-build package for this. also at #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net we can provide more support. |
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| 12:39.41 | SynrG | elichai2: reading the manual (i linked before) is highly recommended. i tried to make it reasonably newbie-friendly :) |
| 12:40.04 | elichai2 | SynrG: lb: command not found lol |
| 12:40.20 | SynrG | elichai2: as i said, you need to install the live-build package for this. |
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| 12:40.44 | elichai2 | opss lol thanks |
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| 12:47.24 | tkl2 | Hi |
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| 12:47.56 | tkl2 | after upgrading Wheezy to the new Kernel from the backports (3.13) X won´t start with the Nvidia driver... |
| 12:48.03 | tkl2 | Any solutions to that yet? |
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| 12:52.25 | spacedust | SynrG: hi , i checked the exact message, it says no such device :( |
| 12:52.48 | spacedust | i think the node is not created well |
| 12:53.01 | spacedust | it also shows me that i have /dev/sda7 which is not true ! |
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| 12:54.11 | fact | how to build vlc source it always says ffmpeg error could not find ffmpeg/libavcodec.h |
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| 12:55.20 | jdabinett | fact: have you installed the deps? |
| 12:55.28 | jdabinett | libav-tools prob missing |
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| 12:56.30 | themill | fact: what makes you want to build vlc? |
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| 12:58.07 | relaxed | tkl2: there's an ignoreabi nvidia option you can put in your xorg.conf. that might get you by. |
| 12:59.13 | Brigo | tkl2, are the xorg driver and the kernel driver installed for new kernel? |
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| 13:02.28 | fact | what libraries i have to load to compile vlc sucessfully? |
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| 13:03.00 | themill | fact: what makes you want to build vlc? |
| 13:03.59 | fact | i want to build the tarball that came with a linux cd. |
| 13:04.27 | Brigo | fact, but why? you can install it easely from debian repos |
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| 13:07.28 | tkl2 | Brigo: Yes |
| 13:07.42 | tkl2 | I have had a xorg.conf |
| 13:07.48 | tkl2 | for my dual monitor setu |
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| 13:08.13 | tkl2 | Brigo: From the backports nvidia-kernel-3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 13:08.57 | engblom | I have created a simple repository which will be used inside of a locked down network. I have not made it signed and if just possible I would want to avoid that extra work each time I upload something there. Is there a way to make apt-get to ignore the fact the packages are not signed? |
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| 13:09.56 | engblom | I want it to work with unattended upgrades |
| 13:10.26 | themill | dpkg: tell fact about build-deps |
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| 13:10.40 | themill | fact: you've got a lot of work ahead of you to make it compile. |
| 13:10.50 | Brigo | tkl2, i am not asking you about xorg.conf i am asking about ndivia module and xorg nvidia driver. |
| 13:11.41 | tkl2 | Brigo: nvidia-driver 319, and so on installed from backports |
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| 13:12.19 | tkl2 | Brigo: as well as xserver-xorg-nvidia 319 from abckports |
| 13:12.52 | Brigo | tkl2, ok so you can find nvidia driver when you make lsmod |
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| 13:13.16 | tkl2 | no |
| 13:13.34 | tkl2 | not now, because it won´t load. |
| 13:13.56 | Brigo | so you have not nvidia driver for your kernel. |
| 13:14.12 | tkl2 | I have moved the xorg.conf in order to get it work again in some way. Now im using nouveau |
| 13:14.17 | tkl2 | right |
| 13:14.44 | tkl2 | Brigo: I think it´s just missing in wheezy-backports at all. |
| 13:15.02 | Brigo | tkl2, why dont you build the nvidia driver from nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 13:15.14 | tkl2 | Brigo: never done that before |
| 13:15.18 | Brigo | is an automatic driver builder |
| 13:15.19 | tkl2 | How to do that? |
| 13:15.24 | Brigo | install it |
| 13:15.52 | tkl2 | The package is installed |
| 13:15.52 | Brigo | it will intall dkms like dependecies, may be the kernel sources and headers and compile it. |
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| 13:16.07 | Brigo | so you need to buil id |
| 13:16.09 | Brigo | man dkms |
| 13:16.13 | Brigo | i must go, sorry |
| 13:16.25 | Brigo | it* |
| 13:16.28 | tkl2 | How to start the build process? |
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| 13:16.33 | Brigo | man dkms |
| 13:16.41 | tkl2 | very funny... |
| 13:16.42 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone has used dnssec to sign domain. I signed one domain bur says that is expires on 4 weeks, and I want to know how update |
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| 13:18.50 | elichai2 | hi |
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| 13:19.13 | elichai2 | SynrG: i've got another problem |
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| 13:19.27 | elichai2 | one of the packages i want to install are installable only through pip |
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| 13:19.40 | elichai2 | so how can i pre install them on my iso image? |
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| 13:20.57 | elichai2 | SynrG: btw, the live -build just finished downloading |
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| 13:22.22 | spacedust | SynrG: are you around ? |
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| 13:22.41 | spacedust | who was i talking with the debian installer mount issue ? :) was it not SynrG ? :) sorry then |
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| 13:25.48 | elichai2 | !seen SynrG |
| 13:25.48 | dpkg | synrg is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 45m 28s, last said: 'elichai2: as i said, you need to install the live-build package for this.'. |
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| 13:26.47 | rneese | good morning all and how are we doing this am |
| 13:26.49 | rneese | ? |
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| 13:27.20 | rneese | I have a issue I am working on I cant find a answer to you all might help |
| 13:27.34 | rneese | we have a application that genrated a sqlite3 db |
| 13:28.24 | rneese | but 2 applicatins need to access the db fine. But when the 2nd app tries to connect it gets adbh handler error |
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| 13:29.14 | average | hi |
| 13:29.16 | average | "Usage of debsums instead of debcheckroot is strongly discouraged because it uses locally stored md5sums which can be modified by an attacker along with the files themselves" |
| 13:29.19 | average | is this accurate ? |
| 13:29.30 | average | in which case, do we have debcheckroot packaged somewhere ? |
| 13:29.39 | average | (that quote is from http://www.elstel.org/debcheckroot/ ) |
| 13:30.02 | average | is there an equivalent to debcheckroot ? |
| 13:30.07 | average | for Debian |
| 13:30.46 | themill | debsums is not designed as a security checker |
| 13:31.12 | average | themill: that's unfortunately how I use it, as a security checker |
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| 13:31.23 | average | themill: may I ask what I should be using for security checks ? |
| 13:31.32 | average | chkrootkit , rkhunter ? |
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| 13:33.48 | gasull | How can I check if I have permissions in polkit to shutdown/reboot? When I click on the icons in the Xfce panel I get logged out instead. |
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| 13:36.58 | tkl2 | Anyone who can tell me how to get nvidia with kernel 3.13 from backports working? |
| 13:36.59 | average | themill: ? |
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| 13:37.34 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 13:37.34 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:37.54 | SynrG | spacedust: it was me. i haven't time to continue with it at this moment. gotta work |
| 13:38.15 | SynrG | others here are just as capable as i am to help, however. |
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| 13:38.25 | tkl2 | jhutchins: I have installed it as decribed |
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| 13:38.33 | tkl2 | Everything comes from the Backports |
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| 13:38.56 | tkl2 | I can even build the dkms module with dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 13:39.00 | tkl2 | But it wont work |
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| 13:39.20 | tkl2 | dmesg = nvidia: Unknown symbol acpi_os_wait_events_complete (err 0) |
| 13:39.33 | tkl2 | !nvidia dkms |
| 13:39.33 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 13:39.38 | aemquo | If the jessie alpha installer has been released, does that mean packages going into jessie are frozen? |
| 13:40.17 | petn-randall | aemquo: No. |
| 13:40.34 | aemquo | Why is the alpha Jessie installer released so early |
| 13:40.36 | stew | aemquo: not for months: https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html |
| 13:40.37 | aemquo | ? |
| 13:40.39 | tkl2 | jhutchins: So the whole setup workes until the update from 3.12 to 3.13 |
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| 13:41.24 | petn-randall | aemquo: The installer and the jessie release are two different things. And it's an *alpha*, so nothing even remotely close to a release. |
| 13:41.40 | aemquo | I see |
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| 13:42.43 | petn-randall | aemquo: Which is also why you should not use the testing installer to install testing. :) |
| 13:42.46 | petn-randall | !testing installer |
| 13:42.46 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:43.02 | aemquo | I see |
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| 13:56.02 | DexterF | greetings |
| 13:56.25 | DexterF | who calls the execution of ~/.config/autostart/* ? |
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| 13:56.53 | DexterF | will those be executed even when I only start X with a terminal? |
| 13:56.53 | tkl2 | So is there any chacne for me as User of Wheezy to get nvidia working again? |
| 13:57.34 | asterismo | hi people |
| 13:57.52 | abailarri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.04 | asterismo | is there any server forum platform like ubuntu forums to install in debian 7 server with apache? |
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| 14:00.57 | themill | asterismo: you just install the packages you want |
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| 14:01.34 | asterismo | but i do not know any forum platform |
| 14:01.50 | asterismo | maybe there is one in the repos |
| 14:02.45 | asterismo | we want to build a site with an interfase similar to ubuntu-forums, with user profiles, threads... it's for astronomy professional and amateur |
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| 14:03.16 | asterismo | we already have a eJabberd and IRCd servers in Debian 7 along with Apache, FTP and stuff |
| 14:03.17 | blut_ | baby: why? |
| 14:03.18 | baby | holy crap how ot JUMP out of VIM i just can't use CTRL+ C no works .. |
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| 14:03.30 | asterismo | we wanted to install a web forum application |
| 14:03.37 | asterismo | any ideas? |
| 14:03.55 | joaocfernandes | baby, :q! |
| 14:04.10 | Brigo | asterismo, i know phpbb3 |
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| 14:05.25 | asterismo | Brigo, thanks man |
| 14:05.38 | asterismo | do you have it running? or just know about it? |
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| 14:07.39 | Brigo | i play a bit with it some years ago, but not much. I cant say much about it. |
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| 14:11.14 | average | themill: ? |
| 14:11.54 | themill | average: yes |
| 14:12.05 | themill | ? |
| 14:12.09 | average | 15:30 < themill> debsums is not designed as a security checker |
| 14:12.15 | average | 15:30 < average> themill: that's unfortunately how I use it, as a security checker |
| 14:12.18 | average | 15:30 < average> themill: may I ask what I should be using for security checks ? |
| 14:12.18 | average | 15:31 < average> chkrootkit , rkhunter ? |
| 14:12.23 | average | themill: ^^ |
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| 14:12.56 | themill | any or all of the above. Using debsums doesn't hurt either |
| 14:13.33 | average | themill: ok, there's one more thing called snort, have you used that ? |
| 14:13.40 | average | sorry let me rephrase |
| 14:13.43 | average | what can I use snort for ? |
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| 14:23.04 | rneese | morning again |
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| 14:23.08 | rneese | ok |
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| 14:24.00 | rneese | when using a flat file db like sqlite an you need to diff apps to have access to this singular flatfile db how do you set the corrct permissions |
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| 14:24.20 | mischief | hi! |
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| 14:24.36 | rneese | in the group file I added user1 to grou2 and user2 to group 1 |
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| 14:24.41 | josvuk | apt can access the debian archive in a variety of ways. one of them is filesystem. Where can i download the archive and store it in the filesystem? |
| 14:24.42 | apt | josvuk: that's too long |
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| 14:24.52 | mischief | i'm trying to do a preseed install with virt-install, but the vm just shuts off after the kernel messages finish. |
| 14:24.56 | rneese | wich if correct shoudl allow it to have access to each other files correct |
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| 14:25.13 | josvuk | apt |
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| 14:25.36 | mischief | my virt-install script is http://sprunge.us/hdLg and i can give my debian preseed.cfg if need be |
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| 14:26.29 | mischief | the last thing i see on the console is http://sprunge.us/NaZd but then the vm shuts off instead of running the debian installer |
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| 14:27.31 | rneese | but I get dbh errors when trying to access the db and it says the db is read only |
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| 14:30.21 | spacedust | SynrG: i fixed it, i formated the /dev/sdb3 to fat16 and then it worked, now im using debian 7 lxde |
| 14:30.29 | rneese | 2014-03-20 14:29:51.294767 [ERR] switch_core_sqldb.c:586 NATIVE SQL ERR [unable to open database file] |
| 14:30.42 | spacedust | SynrG: but i cant find ondemand governor, i mean its not available i cant set it, just powersave and performance |
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| 14:31.20 | spacedust | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors also lists these two |
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| 14:31.56 | spacedust | driver is intel_pstate and i have a i3 processor |
| 14:32.11 | rneese | 2014-03-20 14:31:49.494773 [ERR] freeswitch_lua.cpp:446 DBH NOT Connected. |
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| 14:32.30 | spacedust | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:32.30 | spacedust | jessie/sid |
| 14:32.38 | spacedust | hmmm :) okay well i missed that :P |
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| 14:33.19 | MrAlexandro | hi. how do i enable display x per user |
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| 14:34.14 | MrAlexandro | my user www-data gets message Unable to access the X Display, is $DISPLAY set properly. i have x over ssh and i have x as my normal user |
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| 14:34.27 | mischief | why would you use x as www-data |
| 14:34.38 | rneese | www-data should not get x |
| 14:34.50 | rneese | www-data is the web server user |
| 14:34.53 | SynrG | spacedust: got the wrong image? |
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| 14:35.21 | MrAlexandro | mischief rneese : single time use for setting up dropbox, what config file can i set it up in. do i have to create a bashrc ? |
| 14:35.32 | MrAlexandro | i will revoke priveledge afterwards |
| 14:35.52 | rneese | i have never used dropbox |
| 14:36.01 | spacedust | SynrG: probably yes :)) |
| 14:36.12 | spacedust | SynrG: i have a problem with my laptops fan constantly being on |
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| 14:36.34 | spacedust | SynrG: i use other distros also and windows and the fan is silent , off most of hte time |
| 14:36.42 | rneese | spacedust, clean it out with a vacumme |
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| 14:36.55 | rneese | and get a under the laptop fan |
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| 14:38.50 | spacedust | rneese: it doesnt has any problem :) |
| 14:39.01 | veryape | spacedust: if you have dual gpu cards maybe it always uses the more power consuming one in linux? do you throttle the cpu after need? |
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| 14:39.25 | spacedust | apt-get install i8kutils for the win :D |
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| 14:39.31 | spacedust | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727629 |
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| 14:39.37 | spacedust | fan quite :D |
| 14:40.17 | veryape | spacedust: i would check on the arch wiki for how to save battery time, what consumes electricity also gives away heat |
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| 14:41.01 | rneese | I have found the 3 things in a laptop that give off heat cpu/gpu/charging battery |
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| 14:41.24 | rneese | did you enable a cpu heat monitor |
| 14:41.31 | rneese | to control the fam |
| 14:41.39 | ArtVandalae | I'm currently on Wheezy. My laptop has an Optimus setup (Nvidia + Intel graphics). In Linux Kernel 3.12, there's been work to get Optimus to "work". Does anyone know if I can simply install Kernel 3.12 (from backports) to take advantage of these features, or is it most likely that X.org also needs to be updated? |
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| 14:42.20 | veryape | yeah, i disabled my dads nvidia gpu so he only uses the intel one, his battery life nearly doubled and the fan stays quiet at all times |
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| 14:43.57 | rneese | but now back to my issue at hand |
| 14:44.13 | rneese | how to allow 2 applications to have access to 1 flat file db |
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| 14:44.28 | rneese | when they are run as 2 diff users |
| 14:44.35 | spacedust | but not sure do i have to configure this i8k fan controller now or it will work automagically ? |
| 14:44.48 | Omilun | hello and happy Persian new year :D |
| 14:44.50 | mischief | rneese: use a group |
| 14:44.55 | rneese | I did |
| 14:44.56 | spacedust | rneese: i didnt enable any cpu heat monitor, how do i do that ? |
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| 14:45.25 | Omilun | how can i change grub img and edit ? |
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| 14:45.35 | rneese | I added www-data to freeswitch in the /etc/group file and I added freeswitch to the www-data group in the group file |
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| 14:45.49 | rneese | but I still get a error |
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| 14:46.24 | dub_ | I installed gnuradio through apt-get and it failed at the end of the installation so i removed it now apt-get tells me this "1 not fully installed or removed" how do i get rid of this ? |
| 14:46.28 | linuxac | hi |
| 14:46.30 | harrison | why should a husk have flashing lights? |
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| 14:46.35 | harrison | because it is an emergent seed vehicle |
| 14:46.39 | rneese | http://pastebin.ca/2668179 |
| 14:46.53 | rneese | apt-get autoremove |
| 14:47.05 | rneese | dub_ |
| 14:47.07 | linuxac | how to auto login ? |
| 14:47.13 | dub_ | rneese: did not work |
| 14:47.20 | dub_ | gives me the same problem. |
| 14:47.22 | rneese | aptitude autoremove |
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| 14:47.49 | MrAlexandro | rneese: wether you have used dropbox or not is irrelevant with regards to the question, i figured it out however. copy .Xauthority temporarily to the user then su then perform the one time setup, then delete xauthority. |
| 14:47.57 | linuxac | هل يوجد أحد يتحدث عربي؟ |
| 14:48.54 | linuxac | how to auto login ? |
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| 14:49.13 | rneese | your not making sense linuxac |
| 14:49.29 | spacedust | hmm the right fan now stays at -1 .... why ? |
| 14:49.32 | rneese | you need to make a longer sentance explaing what your trying to login to |
| 14:49.34 | spacedust | and cant set it to anything |
| 14:49.54 | dub_ | rneese: aptitude does not have autoremove? |
| 14:49.54 | rneese | if its a shell you cant |
| 14:50.39 | rneese | aptitude purge |
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| 14:50.52 | rneese | you can do a aptitude -h and read the commands |
| 14:50.54 | dub_ | i have tried that also :( |
| 14:51.06 | dub_ | err not the last one |
| 14:51.39 | makkan | you can actually autologin to a shell, not saying that it is secure but you can. |
| 14:52.26 | rneese | linuxac do not pm people with out asking |
| 14:52.29 | rneese | it is rude |
| 14:52.30 | elichai2 | hey |
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| 14:52.43 | elichai2 | which package handle the interfaces? (eth0,wlan0 etc.) |
| 14:52.46 | linuxac | ok |
| 14:52.59 | rneese | and I dont understand the language tour typing |
| 14:53.09 | linuxac | i need auto login |
| 14:53.21 | rneese | type in english 99%9 of allusers here understand english |
| 14:53.26 | rneese | for what |
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| 14:53.33 | rneese | gui/shell |
| 14:53.40 | rneese | your not giving enough info |
| 14:53.52 | rneese | learn to phrase your question better |
| 14:54.11 | rneese | http://pastebin.ca/2668179 |
| 14:54.18 | rneese | this is my error I am fighting |
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| 14:55.22 | SynrG | elichai2: /win 9 |
| 14:55.32 | rneese | www-data:x:33:freeswitch |
| 14:55.33 | SynrG | oops, typo |
| 14:55.43 | makkan | linuxac: do you understand what rneese asked you? |
| 14:55.46 | rneese | freeswitch:x:999:www-data |
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| 14:56.14 | linuxac | I do not want to request a pass when login |
| 14:56.15 | rneese | in the /etc group file but why is it failing to have access to the db file |
| 14:56.26 | rneese | on a gui or a shell or what |
| 14:56.40 | rneese | linuxac your not giving enough info |
| 14:57.03 | linuxac | I use Google Translate |
| 14:57.19 | rneese | your still not answering the question |
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| 14:58.30 | linuxac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.46 | rneese | I give I think its a bot fucking around |
| 14:59.19 | makkan | linuxac: are you working in terminal/console/cli or do you use a window system? |
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| 14:59.37 | linuxac | terminal |
| 14:59.48 | makkan | linuxac: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html |
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| 15:00.13 | AccessDenied | hi |
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| 15:00.25 | AccessDenied | can i install debian-7.4.0-i386-netinst without an internet connection |
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| 15:00.35 | AccessDenied | does it works just like that? |
| 15:00.38 | makkan | linuxac: I've used method 1 in that link and it works like a charm. |
| 15:00.43 | rneese | you cant |
| 15:00.59 | themill | AccessDenied: the installation will complete, but it won't install very much. |
| 15:01.05 | AccessDenied | so means another installer is required |
| 15:01.08 | rneese | you need to dl the dvd if you want to install offline |
| 15:01.11 | Artemis3 | AccessDenied, unless you have your own mirror in your LAN ;) |
| 15:01.18 | AccessDenied | dvd? |
| 15:01.18 | themill | rneese: that's not true |
| 15:01.30 | rneese | well he could use the cd |
| 15:01.31 | dub_ | rneese: http://pastebin.com/zmc7SL3e :( |
| 15:01.45 | AccessDenied | so what is dvd when if i download from a mirror sites? |
| 15:01.54 | linuxac | makkan thanks |
| 15:02.00 | linuxac | i will try |
| 15:02.07 | AccessDenied | do it have other than .iso file |
| 15:02.09 | makkan | linuxac: no problem, good luck |
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| 15:02.14 | themill | AccessDenied: unless you want a truly tiny installation, you need to download packages at some stage, either prior to installation or during installation. |
| 15:02.20 | rneese | dub_, are you root or sudo or su to install things |
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| 15:02.47 | themill | dpkg: tell AccessDenied about install debian |
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| 15:02.53 | AccessDenied | themill: ok proper installation which is which i shud to go first on installing debian |
| 15:03.02 | dub_ | rneese: sudo |
| 15:03.08 | AccessDenied | i mean burn it into cd |
| 15:03.20 | AccessDenied | den just do like windows 7 installer |
| 15:03.43 | rneese | you looking for a basic install AccessDenied or you looking for a full x and everything install |
| 15:03.52 | AccessDenied | load cd it on cd tray and just run pr click and maybe in debian need to prompt some commands |
| 15:04.05 | AccessDenied | ya full and everything is rite there |
| 15:04.16 | AccessDenied | libre or open office |
| 15:04.21 | rneese | 1 min |
| 15:04.34 | AccessDenied | do it have codec for playing a full extension media files? |
| 15:04.45 | AccessDenied | with the full debian installer? |
| 15:04.54 | rneese | there is a full dvd in the dir |
| 15:04.56 | rneese | 1 min |
| 15:05.05 | AccessDenied | OMG ...sound pretty hard |
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| 15:05.49 | themill | AccessDenied: in what way does that sound harder than using a cd image? |
| 15:06.22 | AccessDenied | themill: nothing its okay |
| 15:06.35 | AccessDenied | just confused which is which the right installer |
| 15:06.56 | AccessDenied | i mean which provides the link with the installer that i wanted |
| 15:07.17 | AccessDenied | and yeah maybe i need to read of the RTFM |
| 15:07.31 | AccessDenied | lol |
| 15:07.42 | linuxac | how to install Protocol List in empathy?? |
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| 15:08.06 | sempire | AccessDenied : you can |
| 15:08.07 | linuxac | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.11 | AccessDenied | ok dpkg thanks |
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| 15:08.34 | Artemis3 | AccessDenied, imo isos are a waste of time, i only do netinstall and let it pull what it needs |
| 15:08.45 | makkan | linuxac: sorry don' |
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| 15:09.09 | AccessDenied | ok thanks everyone for the very kind of you |
| 15:09.12 | AccessDenied | nice yeah |
| 15:09.14 | makkan | linuxac: know anything about empathy. But if you're goint to use empathy you are using a gui and then there is a better way to achieve autologin |
| 15:09.15 | sempire | netinstall have necessery file for a proper install, very minimal install but fonctionnal |
| 15:09.37 | sempire | without network ;) |
| 15:09.56 | Artemis3 | AccessDenied, and if you have a lan you can make an apt-mirror or apt-cache-ng server :) |
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| 15:10.00 | rneese | bbiab |
| 15:10.51 | AccessDenied | Artemis3: thanks |
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| 15:13.32 | Artemis3 | AccessDenied, apt-cacher-ng is like magic, use it! |
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| 15:15.19 | colo-work | it's very unreliable in my experience |
| 15:15.28 | colo-work | I use approx instead now; but I'm not overly happy with that either |
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| 15:16.44 | linuxac | I tried the first method |
| 15:16.44 | linuxac | But failed ... for auto login |
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| 15:17.42 | makkan | linuxac: what failed... |
| 15:18.48 | linuxac | Does not login directly |
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| 15:19.28 | linuxac | Asks Password |
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| 15:19.50 | makkan | linuxac: did you replace YOUR_USER_NAME with your username? |
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| 15:20.20 | malik | i am using wheezy/armel. i am looking at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python2.7 and i see that there is no security update yet. will this come or is armel somehow "deprecated" or whatever? |
| 15:20.45 | linuxac | ok |
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| 15:21.24 | linuxac | I'll do :) |
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| 15:22.17 | makkan | linuxac: do that and it will probably work better. I guess you will run in to these sort of problems when you use google translate |
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| 15:35.42 | linuxac | edit .bash_profile >> how??? |
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| 15:36.46 | mischief | an editor |
| 15:37.33 | linuxac | with gconf?? |
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| 15:38.23 | linuxac | how in termenal> |
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| 15:40.04 | linuxac | edit .bash_profile >> how??? |
| 15:40.12 | BradPJ | linuxac: .bash_profile is just a text file stored in your home directory, any text editor can edit the file |
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| 15:40.46 | linuxac | BradPJ > ok |
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| 15:44.02 | linuxac | BradPJ > thanks |
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| 15:50.46 | pgb | Hi |
| 15:51.15 | BradPJ | linuxac: No problem |
| 15:51.57 | pgb | I install debian unstable in my computer using a ati 777o an I try install a flgrx drivers, but now my screen is black with a cursor flashlight in lest corner. |
| 15:52.10 | pgb | plz, How I can fix this? |
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| 15:53.26 | pgb | opsss,,, left corner |
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| 15:54.15 | okee | Occassionally my password access doesn't work when accessing other drives. Any one else have this problem? I am running the latest Debian stable. |
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| 16:32.02 | regreddit | what in debian wheezy automatically mounts a usb harddrive i plugin and how does it know to mount it to /media/backup and show that mount point in Thunar? I'm trying to configure the mount options, but dont know where it is. its not in fstab |
| 16:32.03 | xeon123 | I have java installed in debian 7 and it is running, but the chrome isn't get the plugin. Does anyone know how to make google chrome use java? |
| 16:32.32 | regreddit | and /etc/udev/rules.d is nearly empty |
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| 16:32.53 | mtn | xeon123: you need icedtea to be installed |
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| 16:33.50 | regreddit | less /etc/PackageKit/ |
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| 16:34.09 | regreddit | sorry, PolicyKit is non existsent |
| 16:34.23 | regreddit | which is one place that i read that may control it |
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| 16:44.27 | mentor | It's only anonymous userspace pages that can get swapped out right? |
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| 16:47.09 | mms_ | how do I install using netinstall iso but using company captive portal |
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| 16:48.03 | mms_ | I have to first launch browser to google where it redirects to internal site to authenticate then I get internet going |
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| 17:01.58 | rhizome | surprisingly elusive, how can i hotkey a screenshot in a way that doesn't close context menus? |
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| 17:03.40 | rhizome | regreddit: probably start here: https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount |
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| 17:26.11 | xdexter | When I go to mount a share via CIFS, I get this warning: http://pastebin.com/H8mMZu7z, however the share is mounted and entries are added in mtab. I can also use the share. |
| 17:26.38 | xdexter | somedoby help me? |
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| 17:35.56 | blippo | hi, I have wheezy well installed (from cdrom #1) and the installation process is over. How can I install now software from the second cdrom? |
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| 17:36.27 | holden87 | blippo: Why don't you install what you need from synaptic? |
| 17:36.32 | holden87 | Over the internet. |
| 17:36.51 | Leoneof | hi, my external hdd is mounted to /media/$USER/hdd instead of /media/hdd, how to fix it? |
| 17:37.38 | blippo | holden87: does your answer imply that what I asked it's not possible? |
| 17:38.22 | holden87 | blippo: No, not at all, just thought it might be easier for you to tick everything you need in synaptic and let it do it's thing. |
| 17:40.43 | blippo | holden87: ok, I asked because during the installation process the installer didn't let me eject cd1, so I only could do my work with cd1 |
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| 17:41.34 | holden87 | Which cd did you install? Which d. environment blippo: ? |
| 17:42.12 | regreddit | i get this many times a day requiring REIUSB reboots: INFO: task BrowserBlocking:32664 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 17:42.32 | regreddit | im getting ready to do it right now, since my machine is effectively locked up |
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| 17:43.09 | rahul__ | Hii all |
| 17:43.36 | clue_h | blippo, commenting out the lines beginning with 'deb cdrom' in /etc/apt/sources.list will let you then install things from the net using debian mirrors |
| 17:43.48 | clue_h | if i am interpreting your issue right |
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| 17:44.35 | rahul__ | I want to record audio via my BT headset over raaspbian, it is streaming music fine.. But is not recording via arecord. help please |
| 17:44.58 | xdexter | When I go to mount a share via CIFS, I get this warning: http://pastebin.com/H8mMZu7z, however the share is mounted and entries are added in mtab. I can also use the share. |
| 17:45.07 | xdexter | somebody help me? |
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| 17:46.09 | blippo | holden, I don't know what is a "d. environment" but I got my system from cd1 of debian 7.4 |
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| 17:47.46 | blippo | clue_h: my question is how to continue debian installation with cd2 once you have your system up and running, i.e. without relying on the debian installer (but I think that is a quite stupid question :) |
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| 17:48.17 | holden87 | blippo: desktop environment. do youhave a graphical environment? |
| 17:48.23 | mtn | blippo: add disk two to your sources.list |
| 17:48.34 | holden87 | I mean, Xfce, Gnome, KDe...? |
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| 17:49.30 | blippo | mtn: and what do I have to do once I add cd2 to sources.list? |
| 17:49.49 | mtn | blippo: install software using synaptic, apt-get or aptitude |
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| 17:50.36 | blippo | mtn, ok but what software the installer would have suggested me to install? |
| 17:50.40 | mtn | blippo: after refreshing or updating, of course, so it sees the new source. |
| 17:51.02 | mtn | blippo: no idea what you mean by that |
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| 17:53.04 | holden87 | blippo, could you go to your desktop, and post the screenshot here, please |
| 17:53.32 | blippo | holden, I don't have a window manager |
| 17:53.37 | blippo | only X server |
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| 17:55.12 | josvuk | apt time |
| 17:55.12 | apt | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2014.03.20 17:55:12 GMT) |
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| 17:56.15 | josvuk | apt weather macmurdo |
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| 17:57.50 | LordDeath | did jessie change something with these kernel headers? |
| 17:57.52 | blippo | mtn, if you insert cd 2 during a "normal" installation, the installer (I guess) picks the right software from that cd and installs it. Is it right? |
| 17:57.59 | LordDeath | I need them for the VMware tools |
| 17:58.15 | wols | !tell LordDeath about errors |
| 17:58.22 | LordDeath | and now apt-get tells me that linux-headers-686-pae is not needed anymore |
| 17:58.33 | mtn | blippo: don't think so, as far as I know the installer only needs disk one. |
| 17:58.45 | folivora | How I can print all lines after 1st with awk ( ignore the first line ) |
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| 17:58.58 | paradigmarson | Hello. I use midnight commander and want to change the keybinding for command-line completion from Alt-tab to something else, so my window manager doesn't steal the key sequence. |
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| 17:59.48 | blippo | mtn, ok, I thought that it would have countinued.. |
| 18:00.09 | mtn | blippo: what are you missing? did the installer fail? what error message? |
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| 18:00.28 | paradigmarson | So I edited ~/.config/mc/mc.keymap, but to no avail. http://pastebin.com/ahYKcNnw |
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| 18:00.50 | blippo | mtn, no fail, everything is fine. The strange thing is that gnome didn't get installed |
| 18:00.56 | paradigmarson | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:01.24 | mtn | blippo: you probably didn't choose the desktop task during install. go ahead and install it now. |
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| 18:02.31 | blippo | yes, I remember that it was starred.. btw: how can I go ahead now? adding cd2 to sources.list? (no internet for now for me) |
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| 18:03.43 | mtn | blippo: I don't know if disk 2 has what you need, but yes, add it to your sources, as I said. |
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| 18:05.33 | blippo | mtn, thanks !! |
| 18:05.35 | blippo | quit |
| 18:06.30 | eipieqng1 | I am a frustarted newbie. Can I get a straight answer. How does one tell which DNS server is configured / being used for majority when one does a host lookup |
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| 18:07.26 | centrx | eipieqng1, /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 18:08.02 | eipieqng1 | thanks centrx, I have read that this somehow is depreciated? |
| 18:08.22 | centrx | eipieqng1, I doubt it |
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| 18:08.25 | centrx | eipieqng1, Where did you read that? |
| 18:09.05 | eipieqng1 | hmm, I want to say the internet but I knwo you want a URL. Give me a second to see if I can fidn it in my hundreds of tabs/ history |
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| 18:10.24 | centrx | eipieqng1, You might be thinking of /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 18:11.00 | eipieqng1 | Maybe. If I remeber this is not the way to configure interfaces |
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| 18:11.20 | eipieqng1 | thast in /etc/network/interfaces ....? |
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| 18:11.42 | aberrant | hi all |
| 18:11.44 | centrx | eipieqng1, man host says host uses /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:12.17 | wols | eipieqng1: it is not deprecated, and never was. sometimes depending on your setup it can be /etc/resolvconf/ also you can set the resolv.conf value via /etc/network/interfaces if you want |
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| 18:12.31 | wols | but the system uses resolv.conf if you look up an IP |
| 18:12.35 | eipieqng1 | nice |
| 18:12.41 | aberrant | I'm using https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging to try to create a package that installs a root certificate into /etc/ssl/certs. I'm pretty sure my debian/rules file needs to be changed, but I'm not quite sure what to put in there. |
| 18:12.42 | eipieqng1 | thank you for being a voice of clearity |
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| 18:12.55 | centrx | aberrant, Try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 18:13.05 | aberrant | centrx: thanks. What's OFTC? |
| 18:13.13 | centrx | aberrant, OFTC is another IRC network |
| 18:13.25 | aberrant | got a server addr? |
| 18:13.30 | centrx | aberrant, irc.oftc.net |
| 18:13.33 | aberrant | thanks :) |
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| 18:18.00 | tytan | Debian 8 RC1 released? :) |
| 18:18.42 | centrx | It will be a while |
| 18:18.47 | centrx | Why do you ask? |
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| 18:22.54 | aberrant | centrx: #debian-mentors seems to be asleep :) |
| 18:23.07 | centrx | aberrant, It happens |
| 18:23.12 | aberrant | heh. |
| 18:23.36 | centrx | aberrant, You could try #debian-devel but they might get annoyed at you |
| 18:23.39 | aberrant | would you mind helping me with this? It shouldn't be that complicated, I don't think. |
| 18:23.57 | aberrant | hm. I'd rather not annoy anyone (deliberately) |
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| 18:24.06 | centrx | I don't know about the debian/rules file |
| 18:24.11 | aberrant | ah, ok |
| 18:24.20 | aberrant | The room "#debian-devel" on "irc.freenode.net" is invite only. |
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| 18:24.39 | centrx | aberrant, That's also on OFTC |
| 18:24.44 | aberrant | ah, will try there too |
| 18:24.53 | aberrant | wonder if freenode has #debian-mentors |
| 18:24.58 | centrx | aberrant, All the Debian channels are on OFTC. |
| 18:25.12 | centrx | aberrant, #debian is on both networks and the Freenode #debian is more popular |
| 18:25.20 | aberrant | gotcha |
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| 18:29.27 | tytan | centrx: I heared about it at work. |
| 18:30.03 | centrx | tytan, They might have been referring to the Installer Alpha 1 release |
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| 18:31.00 | tytan | centrx: I saw you yesterday ^^ I remember you |
| 18:31.11 | centrx | Thank you. I remember you. |
| 18:31.43 | tytan | I still have the problem with my resolution in non GUI mode. :/ |
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| 18:34.46 | tytan | I wonder how much RAM Debian 8 will require in a Netinstall without X |
| 18:35.03 | centrx | Didn't we already go over this? |
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| 18:37.15 | josvuk | hm, I think debian is only a starter distribution |
| 18:37.36 | jbroome | They're all starter distros, it just depends on how much work the user wants to put in |
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| 18:41.37 | tytan | We talked about Debian 7.4 and 32MB of RAM a couple of days ago. Now I have 96MB of R~AM (wow so much RAM xD) and just wonder if I could use Debian 8 because it supports my architecture. |
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| 18:42.55 | centrx | tytan, I doubt the hardware requirements have changed much |
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| 18:43.21 | tytan | centrx: is there some documentation? |
| 18:43.44 | centrx | tytan, Do you have stable/7.4 installed right now? |
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| 18:44.28 | ompaul | tytan: the official way to run testing is to install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 18:44.42 | ompaul | tytan: having of course a firm grasp of realityh |
| 18:44.48 | ompaul | helps |
| 18:45.09 | centrx | ? |
| 18:46.13 | tytan | I have stable 7.4 installed |
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| 18:46.48 | tytan | ompaul: I don't get what you want to say... |
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| 18:48.10 | centrx | dpkg: tell tytan about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:48.18 | abrotman | bah, spelled it wrong |
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| 18:48.47 | abrotman | elichai2: can you speak now? |
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| 18:49.05 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 18:51.20 | regreddit | what would a very high frequency of hung tasks mean? INFO: task Chrome_SyncThre:32672 blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 18:51.27 | regreddit | a bad kernel, or a bad app? |
| 18:51.51 | regreddit | it seems to generally revolve around chrome, which i install from google's repo |
| 18:51.54 | jhutchins | regreddit: Could be bad hardware. |
| 18:51.56 | tytan | dpkg told me about upgrading to jessie. But if I just wanted to try out if it works on this computer I wouldn't have asked what Debian 8 requires ^^ |
| 18:51.56 | dpkg | tytan: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 18:52.07 | regreddit | and i run a very current mainline stable kernel |
| 18:52.45 | mtn | tytan: debian 8 is not released, so I imagine there are no docs for it yet. so, try it and see? |
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| 18:53.32 | regreddit | jhutchins: could bad hardware = mis-configured custom kernel? |
| 18:53.43 | jhutchins | tytan: Who is it you expect to have that information? |
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| 18:54.10 | jhutchins | regreddit: Failing hard disk blocking I/O, bad NIC... Too little information so far. |
| 18:54.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai22 about root |
| 18:54.46 | tytan | O.k. I just like to know if my 233MHz iMac G3 with 96MB of RAM will be able to run Debian 8 |
| 18:55.02 | tytan | jhutchins: Maybe a developer or someone very interested :D |
| 18:55.21 | jhutchins | tytan: That would be you. |
| 18:55.39 | regreddit | yeah, i'm not sure of what other diagnostics to run - i ran fsck on all my drives |
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| 18:56.10 | regreddit | tytan: IMO, it really depends on what you expect that dinosaur of a computer to actually provide you |
| 18:56.15 | jhutchins | tytan: You could go through the kernel.org mailing lists and see if there's any significant change in RAM requirements for the current series of kernels. I would think it would be fairly consistent within 3.xx. |
| 18:56.48 | jhutchins | regreddit: iostat (from sysstat), smartmond... |
| 18:56.56 | tytan | jhutchins: perhaps theres someone running an unreasonable old machine as I do who knows it. I will consider it. thanks |
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| 18:57.15 | regreddit | the linux kernel is built for many different low memory embedded platforms, so it's not unreasonable to expect it do at least run |
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| 18:57.19 | jhutchins | regreddit: The problem is we don't have any info here on diagnosing problems with chrome, since it's not a debian product. |
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| 18:57.50 | jhutchins | tytan: That would be you. |
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| 18:58.31 | regreddit | tytan: TIAS is the rule for thses kinds of things - burn a live cd and boot it (will an iMac G3 boot from CD?) |
| 18:58.32 | jhutchins | tytan: Seriously: The best way to find out is to try it - I'd do it as a dual-boot so you can still use it if it doesn't work - then you can be the one who knows how to answer the question. You are, after all, the one with the hardware. |
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| 18:59.19 | canddice | Hi. I'm having trouble with Debian on my server. Suddenly, today, my SSH server is very slow: it takes 2 minutes to open a webpage (sometimes doesn't open anything). |
| 18:59.35 | canddice | I tried restarting SSHd, and also restarted the whole server. But the problem is the same. |
| 18:59.43 | jhutchins | tytan: That is in fact the ONLY way this stuff works: YOU have the hardware, YOU have the question, YOU are the one who can find the answer. |
| 19:00.06 | jbroome | canddice: i'm not sure what the two have to do with each other. are you proxying your web browsing through another server by ssh? |
| 19:00.12 | tytan | seems logical to me |
| 19:00.17 | jhutchins | canddice: What does ssh have to do with opening web pages? |
| 19:00.25 | canddice | yes, proxying |
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| 19:00.41 | regreddit | canddice, can your server resolve host names ok? |
| 19:00.43 | jhutchins | canddice: Could be a DNS issue. |
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| 19:01.04 | regreddit | ssh to your server, then do host gogole.com |
| 19:01.05 | canddice | sorry, how could i check the dns? |
| 19:01.11 | regreddit | ssh to your server, then do host google.com |
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| 19:01.19 | jhutchins | canddice: Have you checked for packet errors? Errors in the logs or dmesg? Have you run any speed tests on the inbound or outbound connections? |
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| 19:01.44 | canddice | jhutchins: no, i have not done any of that yet |
| 19:01.53 | mancha | Hello. anyone here running mutt-patched (with sidebar)? |
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| 19:02.52 | canddice | regreddit: it seems the dns is fine, i got google's IP |
| 19:04.06 | canddice | browsing over ssh is still super slow though |
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| 19:04.23 | canddice | even connecting to the server over ssh is slow (the characters appear slowly on the terminal sometimes) |
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| 19:05.01 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:05.40 | badseed | http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Movie-Fan-Murdered-Disagreement-Over-300-Rise-An-Empire-42169.html |
| 19:05.54 | badseed | err sorry |
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| 19:07.02 | regreddit | sounds liek a network io error - does dmesg report any errors? |
| 19:07.39 | canddice | but, non-SSH stuff seems at normal speed |
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| 19:09.57 | canddice | "demsg - command not found" |
| 19:10.06 | canddice | oops |
| 19:10.08 | regreddit | dmesg |
| 19:10.36 | regreddit | just look at th elast few lines of that output for any errors |
| 19:10.37 | canddice | a lot of into |
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| 19:12.10 | canddice | a few errors: http://pastebin.com/5ujuY9ar |
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| 19:12.50 | regreddit | sorry, cant look now, have to reboot - i am also having OS issues today :( |
| 19:12.59 | regreddit | hung processes |
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| 19:13.03 | canddice | no prob |
| 19:13.41 | canddice | i'll do what i always do when i run into troubles: reformat :D |
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| 19:15.00 | dskfl | hi, can i run sg group_name program without a password? |
| 19:16.30 | canddice | and no packet errors |
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| 19:19.40 | KaaK | can someone help me understand the difference between 'ssh user@host -- "/remote/command remote_arg"' and 'ssh -t user@host -- "/remote/command remote_arg"'. I understand that the -t forces allocation of a tty on the remote, but I don't understand how/why that would be needed. |
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| 19:20.34 | KaaK | Ive got a command that hangs on remote execution, and after some googeling, many answers simple state 'allocate a tty on the remote' but don't go about explain how one would come to this conclusion when debugging remote ssh execution |
| 19:20.44 | tytan | Is there a difference between "shutdown -h now" and "halt"? |
| 19:21.15 | blast_hardcheese | KaaK: If the command blocks until it gets a TTY (or without a TTY)? |
| 19:21.44 | centrx | tytan, Not any practical difference |
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| 19:22.28 | blast_hardcheese | I think things like curses applications need a TTY to function; if the author assumed everyone would have a TTY, they could not add appropriate fallbacks |
| 19:22.41 | tytan | So just as "shutdown -r now" and "reboot" do the same in the end? |
| 19:22.54 | KaaK | blast_hardcheese, the remote command is a python script that simply uses 'print' to report its output |
| 19:23.42 | Brigo | tytan, no, reboot halts and then boots the sytem. shutdown only halts it. |
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| 19:24.16 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo: shutdown -r restarts the system |
| 19:24.33 | Brigo | really? |
| 19:24.43 | Brigo | so i sorry :) |
| 19:24.43 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 19:24.54 | blast_hardcheese | 'sok, he quit anyway |
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| 19:25.27 | corsu | Working on a HOWTO related to Shorewall and Debian. http://pastebin.com/HSnJpR3f Do you see any mistakes or corrections that should be made to the howto? |
| 19:26.05 | Brigo | yes, i read the man page. I forgot it, now i always use halt , but in the olds times there was only shutdown available :) |
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| 19:26.39 | corsu | and also does some distros now use reboot just to reboot the kernel and not the whole machine. |
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| 19:27.08 | corsu | I think even debian does that on some systems....? |
| 19:27.26 | blast_hardcheese | "reboot the kernel"? |
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| 19:27.34 | blast_hardcheese | like kexec? |
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| 19:27.47 | tylerjd | Maybe you're thinking for ksplice? |
| 19:28.02 | corsu | I dont know hoe deep the kernel reboot goes, but it skips the bios and the boot manager |
| 19:28.10 | tylerjd | Though rebooting... that doesn't exist with ksplice |
| 19:28.19 | blast_hardcheese | I would think ksplice would have a different command for splicing |
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| 19:28.52 | Brigo | corsu, i has never used shorewall, but your howto looks very good :) |
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| 19:31.07 | corsu | Brigo: Thanks, I also got help from p0g0 He made the good layout and improved the text.. |
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| 19:31.34 | corsu | I would like to hear from someone with experience from ULOG/NFLOG that is the information related to that is correct. |
| 19:32.18 | corsu | and also other improments/corrections |
| 19:33.39 | blast_hardcheese | Neat-o: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2014-03-20/graph/graph.html |
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| 19:34.15 | blast_hardcheese | Average throughput spikes for my raid6 given different stripe_cache_size values |
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| 19:38.49 | oliva | hi there ... do I need to "access to * by * read" for ldap authentication? |
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| 19:40.03 | GNU\colossus | oliva, no |
| 19:40.12 | centrx | ? |
| 19:40.22 | GNU\colossus | there's the "authenticate" privilege as well, for instance |
| 19:43.05 | oliva | access to * by users read ? |
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| 19:50.24 | ik | Hi friends, I remember reading a comment somewhere a few weeks ago that said the Debian archive servers used some kind of hardware random number generator as an entropy source (b/c headless, /dev/random, etc). But I can't find that anymore. |
| 19:50.29 | ik | Does anyone know? |
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| 19:54.58 | mahone | Hello |
| 19:55.03 | mahone | I need help! |
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| 19:56.15 | centrx | Ahoy |
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| 19:57.09 | mtn | mahone: so ask already |
| 19:57.27 | mahone | Ok.. I use Fedora on the laptop |
| 19:57.37 | mahone | and i have a second monitor |
| 19:57.53 | mtn | !enter |
| 19:57.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:57.55 | mahone | can i use the second monitor with the separate workspace? |
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| 19:58.25 | mtn | mahone: this isn't the fedora channel |
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| 19:59.09 | centrx | heh |
| 19:59.18 | shawnbon206 | how hard would it to make a decent debian chroot under RHEL? would selinux get in the way? |
| 19:59.31 | mahone | Ehh... ok ! sorry |
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| 20:01.26 | tremon | shawnbon206: yes it would. although you'd probably not notice it if your user is unconfined, and you don't run services inside the chroot |
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| 20:03.05 | tremon | shawnbon206: but be careful to not label any files inside the chroot, or you'll run into issues when program transition into their confined domains |
| 20:03.39 | shawnbon206 | label? |
| 20:03.56 | tremon | chcon, restorecon and the like |
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| 20:05.25 | shawnbon206 | oh yes :) |
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| 20:06.37 | rneese | afternoon |
| 20:06.41 | rneese | this day sucks |
| 20:06.44 | rneese | man |
| 20:07.03 | rneese | to many issues for a thursday |
| 20:07.39 | blast_hardcheese | I'm getting about 3mb/s throughput on my RAID6, despite having tuned stripe_cache_size (and gotten 100mb/s in my automated tests that I did overnight) |
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| 20:08.16 | tremon | random access or streaming writes? |
| 20:08.17 | blast_hardcheese | hdparm -t /dev/sdX for disks in my raid pull down 160mb/s |
| 20:08.33 | blast_hardcheese | tremon: aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 20:08.35 | Fusl | blast_hardcheese: hdparm -Tt --direct /dev/sdX |
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| 20:09.01 | Fusl | blast_hardcheese: also benchmark with bonnie++ |
| 20:09.01 | tremon | blast_hardcheese: oh, that's to be expected. dpkg fsyncs about 4x on every package upgrade |
| 20:09.38 | blast_hardcheese | tremon: same with `docker run`, logging in via ssh, and catting files. |
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| 20:09.49 | gcbirzan | hdparm is a _terrible_ benchmark |
| 20:09.55 | gcbirzan | If you want a proper one, use fio |
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| 20:10.29 | tremon | besides, for raid6, every write requires at least two disk reads which may not be in cache. don't expect high iops with raid6 |
| 20:10.40 | gcbirzan | depends on the size of the write |
| 20:11.02 | blast_hardcheese | This machine was super zippy two weeks ago when I first built it, but it sat idle for a week and a half |
| 20:11.21 | gcbirzan | yeah, that's not what made it slow. |
| 20:11.44 | blast_hardcheese | right, but my point is I didn't do anything to it |
| 20:12.07 | blast_hardcheese | I'm running 5 disks in a mdadm RAID6, lvm2 ontop of that, ext4 on all partitions |
| 20:12.07 | tremon | gcbirzan: you mean, if the write spans multiple full blocks that happen to be in the same stripe, it's less than two, and if the write spans multiple full blocks that are not in the same stripe, it's more? |
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| 20:12.32 | tremon | ;) |
| 20:13.18 | gcbirzan | tremon: I mean that if you write the full block, you don't need to read it |
| 20:13.56 | tremon | gcbirzan: if you write a full block, you still have to recalculate (read&write) two parity blocks |
| 20:14.08 | gcbirzan | tremon: you are writing the full block, so you don't need to read it |
| 20:15.34 | blast_hardcheese | http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2014-03-20/dmesg.log just in case this is helpful |
| 20:15.38 | tremon | you still need either the unmodified full block or the parity block in memory, don't you? |
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| 20:16.17 | gcbirzan | tremon: you don't need any of it. if you are writing a full block (n-2 * stripe size), you can calculate the parity and just overwrite stuff |
| 20:16.24 | gcbirzan | tremon: anything except that and, yes, you are screwed |
| 20:16.37 | tremon | ah, you mean writing the full stripe |
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| 20:18.04 | tremon | bah. terminology. I meant block as in single-disk chunk size, not full-stripe block ;) |
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| 20:20.07 | blast_hardcheese | another test I did was to remove a couple hundred small files, then I ran time sync afterwards. That took 30 seconds, but I don't have anything to compare against |
| 20:21.16 | blast_hardcheese | Well, I have another machine running raid5 with 3 disks, sync on that takes less than a quarter of a second even though it's running 6 kvm machines |
| 20:21.39 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: What kind of controller do you have? |
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| 20:22.17 | tremon | blast_hardcheese: this is probably a server so it doesn't matter as much, but you're missing the radeon firmware |
| 20:22.18 | mogunus | Hi, how can I figure out how mig my filesystem's cache can possibly get? |
| 20:22.23 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I don't have pciutils installed |
| 20:22.27 | blast_hardcheese | give me a second |
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| 20:22.42 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: Just the on-motherboard SATA? |
| 20:22.47 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: Yes |
| 20:22.49 | wols | mogunus: the RAM that is not currently used by programs is your cache |
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| 20:22.51 | tremon | blast_hardcheese: btw did you notice the hung task message in dmesg? |
| 20:22.55 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: How many disks? |
| 20:22.55 | blast_hardcheese | I did |
| 20:23.04 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: 5 |
| 20:23.07 | blast_hardcheese | 3TB each |
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| 20:24.13 | mogunus | wols: the entire thing? everything? |
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| 20:24.18 | blast_hardcheese | split into three partitions: 1mb for bios_grub, 200mb for /boot, the rest is raid6 |
| 20:24.26 | blast_hardcheese | @ jhutchins |
| 20:24.27 | tremon | your controller seems off. the kernel is flipping the write cache |
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| 20:24.42 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: We have a pretty good bunch of techies in our LUG (the guy who wrote wireshark was in for a while), and we did a survey, which concluded that unless you spend about $350 for a real RAID controller with CPU and RAM, and have at least 5 devices for RAID 5, you can not expect to see any performance improvement from RAID. |
| 20:25.02 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: We didn't discuss RAID6, but some principles remain the same. |
| 20:25.15 | neo1691 | I just need to run checkinstall instead of make install! Thats it? Or do I need to setup something? |
| 20:25.28 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I don't care about performance improvement, this is largely because I don't want to lose any more data |
| 20:25.30 | tremon | neo1691: checkinstall will ask you |
| 20:25.33 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: The speed improvements you get form the RAID architecture are offset by the fact that the CPU has to handle the RAID load and can't do other tasks as quickly. |
| 20:25.36 | neo1691 | tremon: Thanks! |
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| 20:26.11 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: RAID is not about data integrity, it is about availability. Integrity is handled by good backups. |
| 20:26.23 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I just want reasonable throughput. 3mb/s is completely garbage. At this point I'd be happy with 75 mb/s, which is less than half of the speed of each disk |
| 20:27.06 | phantomcircuit | im trying to install a gcc cross compiler for arm using emdebian |
| 20:27.12 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: I thought RAID5/6 was about not experiencing sudden and catastrophic downtime when something fails? |
| 20:27.17 | phantomcircuit | i keep getting dependency errors though |
| 20:27.46 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: Right. Availability, not loss prevention. |
| 20:27.47 | phantomcircuit | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nbcBKXFk |
| 20:27.48 | tremon | blast_hardcheese: I'd guess your disks don't do 75MB/s on random writes either |
| 20:28.13 | blast_hardcheese | tremon: I'm going to install fio and test that |
| 20:28.26 | blast_hardcheese | still waiting for 10 packages to be upgraded |
| 20:28.27 | mogunus | Is there a proc or something that I can write to that reflects that policy? |
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| 20:28.34 | blast_hardcheese | I started it about 30 minutes ago now |
| 20:28.43 | mogunus | Like, is there a way to calculate how much of my ram can be used for the file cache? |
| 20:29.01 | tremon | mogunus: that's easy. 100% |
| 20:29.12 | jhutchins | mogunus: "Linux Memory Management" in Google. |
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| 20:30.54 | josvuk | where is the pool in the net? |
| 20:31.18 | josvuk | I can't find it |
| 20:31.21 | blast_hardcheese | resists the urge to say "On the roof" |
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| 20:31.34 | phantomcircuit | nvm figured it out |
| 20:31.46 | jhutchins | I could never get my net to hold a pool, it just leaked out right through the mesh. |
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| 20:32.08 | neo1691 | tremon: Just checkinstall automatically installs the .deb it creates or do I need to explicitly install the deb file? |
| 20:32.10 | tremon | your mesh wasn't tight enough |
| 20:32.13 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: what is the underlying hardware for this raid array? |
| 20:32.37 | blast_hardcheese | dondelelcaro: Whatever's on my motherboard-- I don't have the specs handy, and I'm waiting for an extrordinarily slow safe-upgrade to finish |
| 20:32.52 | tremon | neo1691: iirc, it should install it automatically. check with dpkg -l, otherwise install it with dpkg -i |
| 20:32.58 | blast_hardcheese | extraordinarily, I should say. |
| 20:32.58 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: Is this a server or a desktop? |
| 20:33.01 | neo1691 | Ok thanks |
| 20:33.02 | blast_hardcheese | Server |
| 20:33.24 | blast_hardcheese | Well, desktop hardware, not used as a desktop. |
| 20:33.27 | jhutchins | blast_hardcheese: Supermicro? Dell? IBM? |
| 20:33.28 | blast_hardcheese | consumer-grade stuff. |
| 20:34.04 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: See above-- It's not server-grade hardware. |
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| 20:35.03 | jhutchins | There's a debate going around now on whether the performance hit you get when you're rebuilding an array isn't just as bad as actual downtime to restore a backup. |
| 20:35.25 | blast_hardcheese | Unfortunately now I've run up against my time barrier, gotta put on my taxi cab hat and drive people around. |
| 20:35.31 | tremon | hopes the disk at least have tler |
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| 20:35.58 | jhutchins | Until I started my current job a couple of years ago, I had seen significantly more failed controllers than failed drives, and very few successful recoveries. |
| 20:36.34 | blast_hardcheese | I'll be back later, I appreciate the help |
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| 20:36.54 | mogunus | Hmm so does /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes apply to memory used by the page cache or just memory claimed by a process |
| 20:37.10 | jhutchins | mogunus: "Linux Memory Management" in Google. |
| 20:38.19 | tremon | mogunus: neither, it's for the dirty buffer. and what jh said |
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| 20:39.04 | jhutchins | mogunus: Not to be snobs or anything, it's a complex subject and not really on topic for #debian. |
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| 20:40.01 | mogunus | jhutchins: I've been googling that, and the results aren't very helpful. |
| 20:40.07 | jhutchins | !free ram |
| 20:40.07 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:40.21 | tremon | mogunus: try "linux vm tuning" or vmstat |
| 20:40.44 | jhutchins | mogunus: The other answer is "Don't worry about, it works just fine like it is". |
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| 20:44.08 | josvuk | found the pool and my desired package gcc |
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| 20:44.59 | josvuk | now it is a line depends with a lot other packages in the controls file .... |
| 20:45.30 | josvuk | does thsi mean i have to install all the depends first before installing gcc ? |
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| 20:46.42 | toketin | hi, i can't get wifi connection working using this simple schema for /etc/network/interfaces: http://dpaste.com/1748379/ |
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| 20:47.58 | SebastianJose_XD | #canaima-social |
| 20:47.59 | SebastianJose_XD | hola |
| 20:47.59 | SebastianJose_XD | hell |
| 20:48.01 | SebastianJose_XD | holaa |
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| 20:48.21 | ompaul | !es |
| 20:48.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 20:50.38 | average | hey hey |
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| 20:50.48 | mancha | hi. any mutt users in the house? |
| 20:50.51 | average | I've just set up a firewall with iptables |
| 20:50.58 | average | mancha: I use mutt |
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| 20:51.13 | calisto | any install debian on a tablet, know any tutorial? |
| 20:51.14 | babilen | mancha: Try #mutt |
| 20:51.16 | mancha | average: do you use the sidebar patch? (ie mutt-patch)? |
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| 20:51.30 | babilen | mancha: If you have a question you should just ask it. |
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| 20:51.34 | chris349 | In my system both vim and vi lead to /usr/bin/vim.tiny, but when I run the command vi it has bugs the vim command does not. Normally I copy vim to vi but this is not working. |
| 20:51.35 | mancha | babilen: this is more a debian-specific question (due to 3rd party patching) |
| 20:51.43 | average | mancha: I have for a while, but then I went back to vanilla mutt |
| 20:51.48 | babilen | hasn't seen a question |
| 20:51.51 | SebastianJose_XD | webo |
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| 20:52.15 | babilen | SebastianJose_XD: This is a technical support channel for Debian users. Please take Spanish chat somewhere else |
| 20:52.17 | tremon | chris349: vim runs in vi-compatible mode if you start it as vi |
| 20:52.25 | average | hm |
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| 20:52.43 | average | mancha: but what's your question ? |
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| 20:52.56 | mancha | OK, when i use the sidebar version and i have non-zero pager_index_lines, and i scroll inside a message with wrapped lines, the sidebar delimiter bar gets f*cked |
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| 20:53.26 | mancha | so you have the sidebar on the left, the message index up top (on the right) and the email on the bottom (on the right) |
| 20:53.35 | babilen | mancha: fucked how? How could I reproduce that? |
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| 20:54.13 | mancha | http://i2.wp.com/vk-personal.thoughtvine.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mutt.png |
| 20:54.15 | babilen | mancha: That's exactly the setup I use (from what I understand) -- It works perfectly fine. |
| 20:54.18 | mancha | this is how it will look. |
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| 20:54.27 | babilen | yeah, exactly |
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| 20:55.00 | mancha | ok, if the total window width (minus sidebard width) is smaller than the email lines you'll get it wrapped |
| 20:55.13 | mancha | with a "+" unless you disable wrap marks. |
| 20:55.21 | babilen | exactly, works fine here |
| 20:55.25 | average | mancha: my advice is don't use sidebar, it sucks |
| 20:55.31 | average | mancha: sidebar doesn't really give you much |
| 20:55.39 | mancha | either way, with or without wrap marks, if you "space" scroll down the email and then "-" scroll back up |
| 20:55.39 | average | mancha: you can get all the functionality from vanilla mutt |
| 20:55.47 | mancha | it messes up the sidebar vertical divider |
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| 20:56.32 | babilen | mancha: I can reproduce that, did you check if that bug has been filed? |
| 20:56.33 | mancha | babilen: so you need your window such that the email is wrapping and long enoguh so you can <space> and "-" forward and backward in it |
| 20:56.44 | babilen | done, reproduced |
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| 20:57.03 | mancha | babilen: i have not yet filed because i wanted to make sure it wasn't my own fuckup. |
| 20:57.17 | shostopper | q |
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| 20:57.50 | shostopper | hello all |
| 20:57.55 | babilen | mancha: I see the same behaviour. Or rather: When I do that lines are missing in sidebar and the divider next to the + (i.e. wrapped lines) is missing |
| 20:58.06 | babilen | shostopper: Hello, what can we do for you? |
| 20:58.32 | babilen | mancha: I have to blame my contacts for sending me properly wrapper mails most of the time :) |
| 20:58.37 | Tenkawa | Anyone running debian-arm and doing any kind of virtualization? |
| 20:58.38 | mancha | babilen: yes, and it actually messes up more than that. if you colorize your headers for example and they wrap, then you get that bg color in the sidebar |
| 20:59.24 | babilen | mancha: I don't use bg colours apart for dividers and "frames" so I cannot check that easily, but I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 20:59.25 | average | mancha: why do you use the sidebar really ? |
| 20:59.29 | mancha | babilen: thanks for confirming. i will file now. |
| 20:59.46 | shawnbon206 | babilen thats that white priviledge i keep being told about ;) |
| 20:59.48 | mancha | avergae, can you pastebin a .muttrc which has equivalent functionality? |
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| 21:00.05 | babilen | mancha: IIRC there was a nicer sidebar ... mutt-patched should see some love IMHO. I'd also like to see this question in #mutt as they might know of good alternatives. |
| 21:00.18 | average | mancha: equivalent to what ? |
| 21:00.38 | babilen | mancha: Mind joining me in #mutt with the same question? |
| 21:00.40 | average | mancha: press y in mutt and you see all the mailboxes |
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| 21:00.55 | average | mancha: sidebar does that for you but it creates more problems than it solves |
| 21:01.07 | average | + as I understand it, sidebar isn't even part of mutt, it's a 3rd party patch |
| 21:01.19 | babilen | It is, yes |
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| 21:02.15 | average | babilen: who are you banning ? |
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| 21:02.36 | babilen | average: Read your backlog (hint: Spanish) |
| 21:02.52 | shostopper | babilen: I'm just here to learn anything of interest |
| 21:02.54 | babilen | average: I don't see how that is relevant to our current discussion though |
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| 21:03.33 | shawnbon206 | thats not a ban, its a muzzle |
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| 21:03.43 | mancha | babilen: OK, I am joining now. |
| 21:04.06 | mancha | I'm there now. But is something like sidebar (which is not mainlined) supported there? |
| 21:04.10 | average | babilen: it's not relevant, I was just curious |
| 21:04.13 | babilen | shostopper: Sure, keep in mind though that this is a technical support and that the primary (some would argue: only) function is to help people in need. Ask a question pertaining to the topic of Debian or observe. Enjoy your stay! If you'd like to chat consider joining us in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:04.21 | average | mancha: you might get better support for Mutt on their mailing list |
| 21:04.50 | shostopper | babilen: ok |
| 21:04.51 | average | mancha: mind you, I have used sidebar extensively and it did require me going through their mailing list, pulling patches made by people, applying them to the Mutt codebase and building my own mutt with sidebar, and then it worked OK |
| 21:05.13 | average | mancha: but you will waste lots of time doing that. That's why I recommended that you give up on sidebar |
| 21:05.43 | mancha | average: yes i've gathered your advice is to drop sidebar. i've heard it and have decided to not follow it :) |
| 21:05.56 | average | hah :) ok |
| 21:05.59 | shawnbon206 | one one thing before i end my OT outbursts. thank you for your help babilen .. even though you may have not directly helped me but i think i am speaking for everyone :) |
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| 21:06.04 | mancha | i prefer to dig into the source and figure out which move() wasn't patched with a +sidebarwidth |
| 21:06.33 | mancha | before getting into that i wanted to see if it could be reproduced (which babilen graciously did) |
| 21:06.47 | average | mancha: you can pull their mailing list archives and search for the right patch, and you can do that in Mutt (while using their buggy Sidebar, hah !) |
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| 21:07.13 | mancha | average: there's no fix. |
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| 21:07.35 | average | mancha: there are many sidebar fixes, a lot of ppl complain about it, you're not the only one |
| 21:07.36 | babilen | mancha: All the best! I am sure that a patch would be much appreciated. (let me know if you don't get it accepted in Debian) |
| 21:07.39 | mancha | i used both debian's sidebar patch(es) and the latest monolithic sidebar patch 20130219 |
| 21:07.44 | babilen | shawnbon206: sure, ta! |
| 21:08.09 | mancha | babilen: are you a dev (or active maintainer) of something? |
| 21:08.17 | babilen | nods |
| 21:08.22 | mancha | of? |
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| 21:08.43 | babilen | mancha: Primarily Clojure related things (and I have to get some work done soon) |
| 21:08.59 | mancha | babilen: ok thanks. (and thanks to you too average) |
| 21:09.08 | mancha | i will report back if i find the flaw and fix it. |
| 21:09.10 | average | mancha: you are most welcome sir |
| 21:09.21 | mancha | cheers fellas. |
| 21:09.22 | babilen | mancha: Good hunting! :D |
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| 21:17.54 | elichai2 | hi |
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| 21:18.21 | elichai2 | my laptop got stuck, so i forced it to reboot and when it's load these things happened: |
| 21:18.40 | elichai2 | 1. the X server didn't run, so i needed to manualy run it |
| 21:19.04 | elichai2 | 2. i got a lot of errors like: http://pastebin.com/9fFB9Qps (and the same thing for sudo group) |
| 21:19.39 | elichai2 | 3. a lot of settings reseted, like wallpaper(changed to completely black) |
| 21:20.21 | elichai2 | and that's it for now :) |
| 21:20.39 | elichai2 | so any idea why it's happened/how to fix it |
| 21:21.45 | centrx | !enter |
| 21:21.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 21:25.01 | average | is it possible to get some particular packets into USERSPACE and store them ? |
| 21:25.15 | average | for example I know iptables has something called "QUERY" that gets packets in userspace |
| 21:25.21 | elichai2 | ok :) |
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| 21:25.32 | average | I would be interested in getting some of them in USERSPACE and analyzing them later |
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| 21:25.58 | ompaul | average: none specific question gets some really specific answers - you have to but you need root to tee them off the main stream |
| 21:25.59 | elichai2 | (just wanted to create multiple lines (as far as i know '\n' or <br> dosen't work here)) |
| 21:26.13 | kdog | average: take a look at wireshark |
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| 21:26.45 | ompaul | elichai2: 1) stuff . 2) more stuff . 3) even more stuff. and so on is a much venerated solution in this place |
| 21:27.07 | elichai2 | ompaul: what do you mean? |
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| 21:28.05 | average | kdog: I'm afraid wireshark is a bit of a convoluted solution, I like the fact that it's GUI, but after I identify the characteristics of those packets I'd like to do as ompaul says in order to not need wireshark |
| 21:28.18 | kdog | elichai2: I think he means use that format instead of multiple lines |
| 21:28.20 | average | so I'll use wireshark at first, just to understand which packets I need |
| 21:28.30 | average | but afterwards I'd like to use ompaul 's idea |
| 21:28.42 | average | ompaul: is there some place where I could read a small example of this ? |
| 21:28.50 | ompaul | don't use enter - use 1 2 3 4 and keep typing until you are done, btw note that wicd seems to installed in a funny way because you shouldn't have to do anything it should automatically allow your user to connect - and it the fault message says add user to a group so how did you install wicd |
| 21:29.24 | elichai2 | kdog: ompaul: ohhh, ok i don't mind, i just thought it will be more readable |
| 21:29.28 | ompaul | average: find out about tcpdump but it is good to actually do things like grep what you want or grep -v what you don't want |
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| 21:29.45 | ompaul | elichai2: maybe but we don't like the noise of a scrolling screen without good need |
| 21:29.52 | elichai2 | ompaul: it's all worked before the computer stucked :( , when it's stucked i reastarted it and then everything started |
| 21:30.29 | ompaul | elichai2: what changed that stopped X from working ... something apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade might fix perhaps? |
| 21:30.52 | elichai2 | ompaul: i mean, i was in that group, and i was in sudors group too, but something happend this is the problem |
| 21:30.58 | average | ompaul: you mean ngrep ? |
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| 21:31.13 | average | meh, grep works too |
| 21:31.13 | elichai2 | ompaul: perhaps... i did upgraded the kernel today |
| 21:31.23 | Azrael_- | got a strange situation. running debian wheezy xen and also wheezy ad vm. in the host i get full speed (117mb/s) in the vm i only get 17mb/s. tried a centos-machine and got full speed there. any idea what this could be? |
| 21:31.34 | elichai2 | (and never shut the laptop down before it's got stuck) |
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| 21:32.37 | ompaul | average: none specific questions get the answers that work best for them ;-) |
| 21:33.06 | average | ompaul: is your name murphy ? |
| 21:33.16 | average | cause you sound a lot like him |
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| 21:37.12 | elichai2 | so? no one knows? |
| 21:37.32 | elichai2 | i need to just reconfigure everything and pray it won't happen again? |
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| 21:38.21 | centrx | elichai2, It sounds like a hardware error if that's actually what happened |
| 21:38.23 | ompaul | elichai2: you didn't say how you reconfigured X if you had proprietary graphics or what else you did - I upgraded a kernel means something specific, how did you, have you tried dropping back a kernel lots of these things come to mind |
| 21:39.29 | elichai2 | i upgraded my kernel through 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade' and my default Xserver is powered by LightDM>>fluxbox |
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| 21:40.04 | elichai2 | and i think maybe the problem with the X server is about LightDM, maybe it's not compatible with kernel 3.13? |
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| 21:43.15 | elichai2 | so? can the kernel upgrade reseted all my settings?(groups etc.) |
| 21:43.28 | cynfor | I am mounting an internal ext4 partition using udisks. Would doing it using mount or fstab have any advantages over udisks (mounted using fuse )? |
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| 21:49.27 | ompaul | elichai2: so did you try to use the older kernel |
| 21:49.38 | elichai2 | ompaul: yep, same thing |
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| 21:49.51 | elichai2 | (i think it's reseted the actual settings file) |
| 21:50.00 | ompaul | elichai2: have you broken your video settings ... |
| 21:50.15 | elichai2 | ompaul: what do you mean? |
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| 21:50.44 | ompaul | elichai2: did you previously run binary blobs for your video card? |
| 21:51.57 | elichai2 | ompaul: i don't know what that means so i guess not |
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| 21:52.13 | ompaul | elichai2: nvidia drivers ati drivers |
| 21:52.24 | elichai2 | ohhh nop |
| 21:52.42 | elichai2 | never installed (it's a laptop with built in intel graphic card) |
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| 21:53.09 | ompaul | elichai2: try installing xdm / kdm and a couple of other desktops - maybe you installed more than you wanted - I've no idea |
| 21:53.14 | ompaul | elichai2: I'm off |
| 21:53.54 | elichai2 | :( |
| 21:54.01 | elichai2 | any one here expert in DM? |
| 21:54.59 | tremon | dungeon mastering? |
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| 21:55.28 | elichai2 | no Display Manager |
| 21:55.38 | elichai2 | any one here expert in: 'Display Manager'? |
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| 21:58.00 | tremon | reading the backlog, I'm guessing you need more of a backup expert. You had a hard lockup and after that, some settings were different/reverted? |
| 21:58.18 | elichai2 | tremon: no, i think i figured out what's the problem |
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| 22:00.04 | elichai2 | what i think is the problem is: I use lightdm as my DM, i upgraded my kernel to 3.13 and lightdm dosen't support it, so when i turned my computer on it didn't run, so i needed to manually run 'startx' and when i did it, there weren't any DM to proccess the group permissions, so it's said like i'm not in any group |
| 22:01.22 | tremon | what's the problem with lightdm and 3.13? I'm running that combination on two of my machines |
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| 22:02.16 | elichai2 | tremon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1283826 |
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| 22:02.33 | elichai2 | i had the same problem when i was in ubuntu and then i just install gdm |
| 22:02.52 | elichai2 | and now that it's happening again i relaize that maybe this is the problem |
| 22:03.58 | tremon | ok, thx for the pointer. I'll keep an eye out, but so far things are working fine for me |
| 22:04.27 | elichai2 | :( |
| 22:04.38 | elichai2 | what's the exact package name of ur kernel? |
| 22:05.16 | tremon | 3.13-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.13.5-1 (2014-03-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:05.36 | elichai2 | on both? |
| 22:05.56 | tremon | can't check the other right now, but it's a similar and up-to-date jessie install |
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| 22:06.09 | elichai2 | mine is linux-image-686-pae (3.13+56~bpo70+1) |
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| 22:06.14 | elichai2 | wheezy install |
| 22:06.26 | tremon | ah wheezy+backports |
| 22:06.45 | tremon | I'd automatically assumed jessie since you said 3.13, hadn't considered bpo |
| 22:06.55 | elichai2 | yeah |
| 22:07.00 | elichai2 | *3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
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| 22:07.20 | elichai2 | jessie is the testing version? |
| 22:07.34 | tremon | in that case, my lightdm version is 1.8.8-1. That's a lot newer than stable |
| 22:07.40 | tremon | yes jessie is testing |
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| 22:08.13 | tremon | you can request/attempt a backport of lightdm |
| 22:08.20 | elichai2 | i'll try |
| 22:08.27 | elichai2 | how can i check my lightdm version? |
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| 22:08.45 | tremon | ,checkbackport lightdm |
| 22:08.47 | judd | Backporting package lightdm in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
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| 22:09.16 | tremon | elichai2: either dpkg -l $pkg, or apt-cache policy $pkg |
| 22:09.45 | elichai2 | ammm.... i got 3 packages |
| 22:10.06 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/ZJJVnXt8 |
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| 22:10.49 | tremon | strictly speaking, you have none. They all have status rc, meaning not-installed |
| 22:11.22 | elichai2 | ?! |
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| 22:11.56 | tremon | I can't tell you how or why, but that's what your paste shows |
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| 22:12.17 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/86XzyVha |
| 22:12.23 | tremon | the top two are from the same source package so you get one for free. lightdm-gtk-greeter needs to be backported separately |
| 22:13.09 | elichai2 | thats weird: http://pastebin.com/JtefwmPL |
| 22:13.25 | tremon | files in /etc/ (conffiles) remain until you purge a package (rc means removed but not purged) |
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| 22:13.55 | elichai2 | tremon: i've got an idea |
| 22:14.04 | elichai2 | there is a log file for apt-get? |
| 22:14.05 | tremon | elichai2: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy, and apt-cache policy lightdm consolekit? |
| 22:14.16 | tremon | elichai2: yes, /var/log/dpkg.log (and similar for apt) |
| 22:14.36 | elichai2 | i need to check something and then i will post what you asked fo |
| 22:14.38 | elichai2 | *for |
| 22:14.40 | tremon | /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 22:17.13 | elichai2 | found it! |
| 22:17.21 | elichai2 | look at this: (earlier today) |
| 22:17.24 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/vB3KbPpi |
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| 22:17.56 | elichai2 | why?!?! |
| 22:18.23 | tremon | oof. you shouldn't fully dist-upgrade to backports, it's meant to be used for only cherry-picking the things you need |
| 22:19.22 | tremon | elichai2: can't give you a definite answer, but some backports packages might have conflicted |
| 22:19.39 | elichai2 | :( |
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| 22:19.56 | tremon | I'm guessing that libsystemd-login0 conflicted with consolekit |
| 22:20.02 | elichai2 | so, lets forget about why it's removed it, and focus about how to reinstall it |
| 22:20.20 | elichai2 | tremon: so it's removed lightdm?! |
| 22:21.02 | tremon | yes, line 5. Remove: [..] lightdm:i386 (1.2.2-4) [..] . And you said Y (probably) |
| 22:21.29 | elichai2 | yeah i know it removed it lol |
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| 22:21.41 | elichai2 | i just asked if because of the conflict it's removed it |
| 22:21.59 | elichai2 | but as a said '[00:19] <elichai2> so, lets forget about why it's removed it, and focus about how to reinstall it' |
| 22:22.08 | tremon | that's an informed guess, I haven't checked the package dependencies |
| 22:22.22 | tremon | at this point, I would probably use the hammer called aptitude |
| 22:22.26 | elichai2 | this is my problem now: http://pastebin.com/JtefwmPL |
| 22:22.46 | elichai2 | i'll try |
| 22:23.12 | tremon | if you haven't installed it yet, do that first. Then, aptitude -s install lightdm and cycle through some of the aptitude suggestions (keep saying N if it wants to remove many packages) |
| 22:23.31 | elichai2 | WTF?! http://pastebin.com/ashMmt2d |
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| 22:24.24 | tremon | ah, the culprit is udev. Another branch of the systemd cabal. But I shouldn't say that |
| 22:24.52 | elichai2 | tremon: what do you mean? |
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| 22:25.06 | elichai2 | and why it's want to remove half of my system? |
| 22:25.10 | tremon | elichai2: just ignore that |
| 22:25.16 | tremon | elichai2: yes, aptitude's default response to package conflicts is to nuke your system from orbit and let you rebuild the pieces |
| 22:25.31 | tremon | keep saying N, eventually aptitude will start to suggest saner alternatives |
| 22:25.39 | tremon | I did call it a hammer, didn't I? ;) |
| 22:25.48 | elichai2 | lol |
| 22:26.02 | elichai2 | the alternatives are involved with not installing lightdm |
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| 22:27.49 | tremon | probably the solution is to force a downgrade of udev to the non-backports version. You can try aptitude -s install udev/stable, see where that gets you |
| 22:28.31 | tremon | normally, this is where we suggest a reinstall |
| 22:29.00 | elichai2 | just did it :) |
| 22:29.09 | elichai2 | now i'l try the lightdm thing again |
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| 22:29.27 | elichai2 | same thing :( |
| 22:29.54 | tremon | also with the same message udev: breaks consolekit? |
| 22:30.14 | elichai2 | you asking? idk |
| 22:30.29 | tremon | it was on line 11 of your previous paste |
| 22:30.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | I use the Deb-Multimedia repository, I know its not supported here and I'm not looking for support, I just have a few odd questions. I have always disabled the repository after installing the packages I wanted so I would avoid upgrading any other packages with unsupported ones. Is there really any danger in leaving it enabled and going ahead and upgrading the packages from there. Or is it one of those try at your own risk things? |
| 22:31.23 | elichai2 | tremon: yeah but i don't know what exactly broke consolekit |
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| 22:31.36 | elichai2 | to try just downgrading everything i upgraded in that paste? |
| 22:31.47 | tremon | elichai2: sadly, neither do I. Guessing is all I can do |
| 22:32.36 | tremon | !tell elichai2 about partial downgrade |
| 22:32.47 | elichai2 | ? |
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| 22:32.53 | tremon | see pm from dpkg |
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| 22:33.26 | tremon | LinuxGuy2020: the risk with leaving it installed isn't with the packages you already have from deb-multimedia, but with other packages you don't intend to get from there |
| 22:33.38 | elichai2 | change the sources.list to what? |
| 22:34.11 | tremon | elichai2: in your case, you don't have to change it. That refers to if you accidentally changed your sources.list to e.g. testing |
| 22:35.06 | tremon | LinuxGuy2020: unless you employ repository pinning, apt will consider dmm's repository to be of equal priority. And since dmm used to bump its package epochs, the dmm versions would always appear newer |
| 22:35.37 | Blakney | Could someone pls. shed some light? I followed this guide after a wheezy 3.9 install: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/03/15/howto-autologin-into-your-linux-system-without-xdm-gdm-kdm-etc/ I did only follow the suggestion regarding libpam-ck-connector from here regarding PolicyKit: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce The autologin seems to be fine. Can I leave the current xfce-login-configuration as it is or is there something to worry beca |
| 22:35.37 | Blakney | use of PolicyKit/ConsoleKit? |
| 22:35.40 | tremon | so keeping it enabled and running an apt upgrade will pull in more of deb-multimedia than you probably want |
| 22:36.37 | tremon | elichai2: you can also ignore step d) in there, you didn't upgrade libc6 |
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| 22:36.46 | elichai2 | tremon: found: ' udev : Breaks: consolekit (< 0.4.6-1) but 0.4.5-3.1 is to be installed.' |
| 22:36.51 | silentf0x | where can i find the deb source list mirrors? |
| 22:36.52 | tremon | Blakney: what worries are you expecting? |
| 22:36.55 | silentf0x | ?deb |
| 22:36.59 | silentf0x | ? deb |
| 22:37.04 | silentf0x | fail lol |
| 22:37.13 | tremon | !tell silentf0x -about mirrors |
| 22:37.32 | LinuxGuy2020 | tremon: You mean like upgrading an official supported debian package on the system with one from Deb Multimedia and not meaning to? Thats what I was thinking as well if thats what you mean. The only risks I can see are risking stability/reliablilty, maybe some conflicting versions or something Im not sure. |
| 22:37.36 | tremon | silentf0x: (almost) every mirror has both packages and sources |
| 22:38.08 | silentf0x | thanks |
| 22:38.19 | tremon | LinuxGuy2020: yes, and the risk that even if debian starts shipping newer versions than dmm, you will be stuck with dmm's version |
| 22:38.41 | LinuxGuy2020 | tremon: Oh ok I see. Good point. |
| 22:38.51 | elichai2 | tremon: so? any idea? |
| 22:39.01 | silentf0x | deb ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free |
| 22:39.04 | silentf0x | that didnt work :( |
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| 22:39.19 | tremon | elichai2: sry, from here on I'm out of suggestions. |
| 22:39.28 | silentf0x | fixed it lol |
| 22:39.36 | Blakney | tremon I had a log-in issue one time: It just stopped before X, saying xinit lost connection to X server. After konsole-login xfce did ONLY start as root after startx. |
| 22:39.46 | zh1 | evening, could anyone point me the correct sources list? |
| 22:39.47 | tremon | silentf0x: do you want a deb-src line? |
| 22:40.00 | tremon | !tell zh1 -about wheezy sources.list |
| 22:40.00 | silentf0x | no i needed deb http:// :P |
| 22:40.07 | elichai2 | tremon: even that i found aptitude told me it's udev fault? |
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| 22:40.42 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is there any known plan for the next Debian release to officially include MATE desktop environment? |
| 22:41.17 | tremon | elichai2: yes, we already knew that. it's from your earlier paste. But you have since downgraded udev to the version from stable instead of backports, so if it's still giving you that message the cause must be somewhere else |
| 22:41.27 | elichai2 | tremon: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1154917.html any chance that udev=consolekit? |
| 22:41.32 | zh1 | i made this one http://paste.debian.net/88790/ is it ok? |
| 22:41.50 | centrx | LinuxGuy2020, Seems to be already in the testing version of the next release, mate-desktop |
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| 22:42.39 | elichai2 | tremon: because in my paste, i installed ' libudev1' and not upgraded it |
| 22:43.19 | LinuxGuy2020 | centrx: Oh cool.Thanks |
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| 22:43.34 | tremon | elichai2: udev and consolekit really are separate packages. maybe try force-installing both at the same time (e.g. aptitude install consolekit/stable udev/stable) |
| 22:44.04 | tremon | zh1: lose line 18 |
| 22:44.04 | elichai2 | btw, when i do what dpkg told me, i see no 'udev' in broken packages |
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| 22:44.50 | bitvilag | hey everyone |
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| 22:45.20 | bitvilag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.36 | zh1 | tremon and the rest is ok? |
| 22:45.59 | tremon | yes, that's fine |
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| 22:47.47 | elichai2 | tremon: fixed it!!!!!!!!1 |
| 22:48.49 | tremon | yay! how'd you do it? |
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| 22:49.05 | elichai2 | tremon: idk that will sound really wierd |
| 22:49.12 | elichai2 | i redowngraded it |
| 22:49.45 | elichai2 | (it = udev) |
| 22:50.13 | tremon | good. does that mean lightdm now installs fine? |
| 22:50.30 | elichai2 | yep installed without removing anything :) |
| 22:51.00 | tremon | good |
| 22:51.29 | elichai2 | tremon: btw, u said something about removing package without purging it |
| 22:51.35 | elichai2 | how can i purge all removed packages? |
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| 22:52.14 | tremon | easiest way is aptitude purge ~c (~c is a search term, meaning "all packages with only configuration files left) |
| 22:52.54 | elichai2 | no way with apt-get? (idk like aptitude very much, as you said it's a "hummer") |
| 22:53.00 | tremon | the alternative is parsing the output of dpkg -la and feeding that to apt-get purge |
| 22:53.32 | elichai2 | ok, i will use aptitude :) |
| 22:53.51 | elichai2 | thats ok? http://pastebin.com/U8pvrKa2 |
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| 22:54.10 | tremon | aptitude can be a handful, but in cases with conflicts it still beats apt-get. The latter gives up at the first sign of trouble |
| 22:54.27 | tremon | yes, that's fine |
| 22:54.53 | tremon | if you want to be doubly sure, run dpkg -la|grep ^rc in another terminal and compare the lists |
| 22:55.59 | elichai2 | tremon: thank you so much! |
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| 22:56.23 | tremon | yw |
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| 22:58.18 | abailarri | Hello. Can anyone give me any advice on which is the best option to securize a mail server with postfix and dovecot installed? |
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| 22:59.23 | elichai22 | the user works now perfectly! |
| 22:59.26 | elichai22 | thank you very very much |
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| 23:00.57 | elichai2 | now when everything is fine, i have another question: :) |
| 23:01.07 | bitvilag | TJ i sent u pm because its hard to follow here |
| 23:01.09 | elichai2 | anyone knows how to port this into debian? http://debian-art.org/content/show.php/Xenatt+Evolution+Green+?content=104047&PHPSESSID=pxnddeyjvgyysfv |
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| 23:09.57 | jhutchins | elichai2: What do you mean "port this into debian"? |
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| 23:13.27 | jbroome | since it's on debian-art.org, i'm pretty sure it's already debian-ready |
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| 23:19.01 | robotboy | Hi I need help got openvpn as installed, need disable logging but don't know how |
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| 23:19.51 | average | robotboy: /etc/openvpn ? |
| 23:20.01 | robotboy | No, its not same average |
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| 23:20.32 | robotboy | the config location is /usr/local/openvpn_as |
| 23:20.42 | robotboy | and its using logdba tool |
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| 23:21.16 | robotboy | any way to disable logging ? |
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| 23:22.01 | robotboy | and the conf just shows: # log DB log_db=sqlite:///~/db/log.db |
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| 23:23.39 | robotboy | anyone ? |
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| 23:24.12 | squisher | robotboy, /usr/local/openvpn_as doesn't sound like you're using the packaged version of openvpn |
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| 23:24.50 | robotboy | @squisher i use the Openvpn Access Server |
| 23:24.54 | jbroome | THere's also #Openvpn |
| 23:25.16 | robotboy | @jbroome its saying that I am banned, never have been on there channel |
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| 23:25.35 | jbroome | robotboy: ah, they ban the web client |
| 23:25.45 | jbroome | sorry 'bout that |
| 23:26.14 | robotboy | @jbroome nothing mate, any help ? |
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| 23:27.36 | robotboy | I added to OpenVPN Access server Advanced config site log /dev/nullstatus /dev/null but dont work... Any idea guys ? |
| 23:27.37 | jbroome | No clue |
| 23:29.30 | robotboy | Can anyone ask for me on the openvpn channel |
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| 23:29.59 | jbroome | robotboy: you're in luck. there's #openvpn-as, without that ban |
| 23:30.12 | robotboy | @jbroome i try, thanks mate |
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| 23:33.04 | squisher | robotboy, you may also try to register your nic, that could possibly help to get into #openvpn |
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| 23:34.13 | jbroome | no. no it won't |
| 23:34.27 | jbroome | Ban against *!*@gateway/web/freenode/* matches robotboy!51afc671@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.175.198.113 |
| 23:35.00 | squisher | jbroome, but doesn't that change if you register? |
| 23:35.12 | jbroome | No. |
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| 23:35.27 | squisher | ah, my bad, thanks for the info |
| 23:35.28 | jbroome | You're still on the webchat client. but now you're identified and on the webchat client |
| 23:36.34 | robotboy | ok so now i registered |
| 23:37.15 | jbroome | robotboy: which has nothing to do with why you can't get in #openvpn. and they'd probably tell you to go to #openvpn-as anyway |
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| 23:37.37 | robotboy | @jbroome openvpn-as seems pretty dead so I will wait... |
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| 23:39.55 | elichai2 | btw, what are the default groups normal users need to be in? (my user groups reseted :( ) |
| 23:40.08 | elichai2 | can someone here just run 'groups yourusername' |
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| 23:40.23 | robotboy | groups robotboy |
| 23:40.31 | elichai2 | lol |
| 23:40.33 | robotboy | lol |
| 23:40.35 | elichai2 | in ur terminal |
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| 23:40.52 | robotboy | my terminal is at 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:41.28 | robotboy | Good Luck, I'm Behind 7 Proxies XD |
| 23:41.40 | elichai2 | robotboy: so? |
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| 23:41.48 | elichai2 | and why the fuck 7?! |
| 23:42.00 | robotboy | lol chill just joking |
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| 23:42.31 | elichai2 | can u? |
| 23:42.39 | elichai2 | it's a simple command... |
| 23:42.59 | robotboy | i use web client lol |
| 23:43.52 | elichai2 | try |
| 23:44.49 | elichai2 | anyone else? |
| 23:44.50 | robotboy | Its stupid like I would tell you run :(){ :|: & };: |
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| 23:46.01 | nkuttler | robotboy: BAD idea.. |
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| 23:46.13 | robotboy | nkuttler I know lol |
| 23:46.34 | nkuttler | robotboy: no, pasting the command here |
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| 23:47.10 | robotboy | lol easy to protect... sudoedit /etc/security/limits.conf * hard nproc 800 |
| 23:47.28 | nkuttler | !ops robotboy :(){ :|: & };: |
| 23:47.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: robotboy :(){ :|: & };: |
| 23:47.41 | robotboy | lol |
| 23:47.59 | shawnbon206 | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Switching_Connections can someone help me with this? i want ifup wlan0 ifdown eth0. i dont really know what to put next, all the examples i have found on the net are for wifi roaming. it would be useful for me if it defaulted to the eth0 and if thats down then use wlan0 |
| 23:48.06 | shawnbon206 | or vice versa, doesnt matter |
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| 23:48.20 | themill | robotboy: that's quite in appropriate |
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| 23:48.31 | FoShizz | Hello! |
| 23:48.46 | FoShizz | How would I give a user permission to use screen? |
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| 23:49.06 | nkuttler | FoShizz: /usr/bin/screen ? |
| 23:49.56 | FoShizz | Do I just chmod it? |
| 23:50.07 | FoShizz | with rwx |
| 23:50.09 | nkuttler | FoShizz: you shouldn't have to. why can't they use it? |
| 23:50.26 | shawnbon206 | i just installed screen here from apt-get and its working for my users |
| 23:50.31 | FoShizz | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
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| 23:51.31 | FoShizz | Any ideas? |
| 23:51.53 | nkuttler | FoShizz: you used su/sudo or somesuch? |
| 23:52.15 | FoShizz | no |
| 23:52.34 | FoShizz | However, when I - su (user name) screen (command) |
| 23:52.37 | FoShizz | it gives me |
| 23:52.42 | FoShizz | screen: 2: screen: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:53.14 | nkuttler | FoShizz: hm? how exactly were you trying to run screen? |
| 23:53.24 | cafuego | use the actual username and no brackets |
| 23:53.39 | cafuego | not for the command either |
| 23:53.45 | FoShizz | I used the actual username, just for example |
| 23:53.49 | themill | nkuttler: thanks, btw. |
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| 23:54.03 | nkuttler | themill: sorry for repeating it btw :) |
| 23:54.12 | FoShizz | ran screen as - screen programname |
| 23:56.02 | FoShizz | What does this mean? |
| 23:56.04 | FoShizz | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
| 23:58.02 | jelly-home | FoShizz: it means you can't run screen when you're a different user from the one controling (and owning) the terminal |
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| 23:58.37 | FoShizz | How do I run multiple terminals? |
| 23:58.48 | FoShizz | Or is that not the solution? |
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| 23:59.45 | FoShizz | chmod o+rw /dev/pts/2 |
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| 23:59.51 | FoShizz | Would do it? |
