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| 00:00.31 | oliva | now I'm running a live to check problems with the fstab but I think this problem happens before since it can't find the root fs |
| 00:01.03 | sysvalve | maybe changed the UUID, I don't know |
| 00:01.16 | sysvalve | have you tried to just use /dev/mapper/whatever_ |
| 00:01.31 | sysvalve | instead of the UUID thingie? |
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| 00:02.51 | oliva | can I specify /dev/mapper/... in the boot menu? |
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| 00:06.24 | ProfOak_ | Hi all, I'm trying to install debian stable but the install pauses at hardware detection because the firware for my wifi is nonfree and not included in the debian install disc (iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode and iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode). So I search for the files but I don't know what to do from this webpage: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 00:07.23 | oliva | sysvalve: cool it worked ... but what the uuid is right? How can this happen? |
| 00:07.24 | ProfOak_ | Do I click the side bar `firmware-nonfree` or the package below that? How do I then place it on my usb drive, in the root? |
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| 00:09.57 | sysvalve | oliva: under certain circumstances UUID may change. Don't ask me what circumstances. I just have found myself in the situation |
| 00:10.13 | sysvalve | of course you can change a block device UUID |
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| 00:10.46 | oliva | sysvalve: the uuid is correct ... on oftc they say it's a know bug |
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| 00:11.39 | sysvalve | oh okay. So I've always prefered just to specify /dev paths |
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| 00:13.45 | oliva | sysvalve: I think the bug is this: 741342 |
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| 00:15.33 | sysvalve | ProfOak_: I think that you need to put the actual firmware ( iwlwifi-5000-{1..5}.ucode) files in the root of the usb stick |
| 00:15.40 | sysvalve | not the deb package |
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| 00:18.39 | sysvalve | oliva: ah I remember, I think that I stumbled upon this bug as well |
| 00:18.40 | ProfOak_ | sysvalve: The files have numbers after the .ucode bit. Should that matter? I've been trying to figure this out for a while now. Does the usb drive have to only have those files? |
| 00:19.09 | sysvalve | I'm not sure, but it seems that you need to copy all .ucode files |
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| 00:19.24 | ProfOak_ | all of them? Not just the two that I need? |
| 00:19.36 | sysvalve | ProfOak_: don't think so, just put the files in the root directory |
| 00:19.59 | sysvalve | ProfOak_: well, if you are sure that you just need those two, go ahead :) I'm just experience-guessing |
| 00:20.07 | ProfOak_ | I've been trying anything I could. |
| 00:20.18 | ProfOak_ | The installer told me those were the two files I needed, so I'm going off that |
| 00:20.54 | themill | You can just put the .deb there, you don't need to extract the firmware from it first. |
| 00:21.31 | sysvalve | themill: oh, that's nice! |
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| 00:21.42 | ProfOak_ | themill: I'm not sure where to get this deb file. I only see a tarbal https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 00:22.37 | oliva | sysvalve: :) |
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| 00:22.59 | themill | ProfOak_: the download link at the bottom |
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| 00:24.30 | ProfOak_ | awesome, thanks |
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| 00:27.21 | ProfOak_ | You have no idea how big of an obsticle that has been... and now I feel stupid. Thanks for your help guys. I'm finally going to be a debian user! |
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| 00:28.20 | oliva | sysvalve: thank you for your help |
| 00:28.59 | sysvalve | oliva: no problem :) |
| 00:28.59 | sacrelicious | hey all, I'm trying to load the new version of tails, based on debian 3.0.9 using a live usb i created using unetbootin. its stalling at the loading screen and will not load. |
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| 00:29.12 | sacrelicious | any idea whats going on? |
| 00:30.35 | centrx | Debian 3.0.9? |
| 00:31.01 | sacrelicious | uhh, wait, might have the version number wrong |
| 00:31.07 | centrx | dpkg: tell sacrelicious about unetbootin |
| 00:31.22 | themill | ProfOak_: no worries. btw there's actually a netinst iso that has the firmware on it already; /msg dpkg firmware image |
| 00:31.28 | centrx | dpkg: tell sacrelicious about tails |
| 00:32.08 | sacrelicious | thanks. |
| 00:32.18 | sacrelicious | any advice on another good live usb creator? |
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| 00:48.55 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I am wondering how I would check the port number for a given service running on a home server that I have setup. I have recently discovered Plex media server, I know its not suppored here Im not asking for support. I just need to know how to check which port a given service is assigned to or is using. |
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| 00:49.35 | SynrG | netstat -tl |
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| 00:50.42 | krooked | is there a way i can check if a web server is reachable via if statement? |
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| 00:51.51 | centrx | LinuxGuy2020, You could use lsof |
| 00:51.56 | centrx | LinuxGuy2020, or netstat |
| 00:52.09 | centrx | LinuxGuy2020, Or just look in the configuration file/default configuration for the program |
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| 00:54.20 | LinuxGuy2020 | centrx: Ok Ill try that thank you. |
| 00:54.21 | sysvalve | krooked: homework? |
| 00:55.07 | krooked | sysvalve: wrong channel my bad |
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| 01:03.26 | wat | what was the command to look up dns entreis by cmdline again |
| 01:03.29 | wat | i forgot |
| 01:03.31 | wat | something with a g i think |
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| 01:03.50 | centrx | wat, whois ? |
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| 01:03.55 | wat | no |
| 01:04.02 | wat | dns |
| 01:04.06 | sysvalve | dig |
| 01:04.10 | wat | tyvmmm |
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| 01:05.59 | Procy0n | "tyvmmm" is an abbreviation from "your time is cheap enough so you can google for me, but my time is too expensive to write a proper version of 'thank you'" |
| 01:08.03 | sysvalve | Procy0n: lol |
| 01:10.24 | Procy0n | :) |
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| 01:28.53 | schnickschnack | how can i restart alsa sound driver |
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| 01:39.54 | Joel | on wheezy when I plug in a thumb drive I get a dialog in X asking me where to mount it, how do I disable this dialog? |
| 01:40.12 | centrx | Joel, Sounds like something from Gnome? |
| 01:40.47 | Joel | centrx, could be |
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| 01:53.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | If im not running a web server but I have a service running that features a web interface it uses locahost:port. Where is localhost located on the filesystem? |
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| 01:55.33 | centrx | LinuxGuy2020, localhost is a hostname, not a file? |
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| 01:57.25 | Aeiri | LinuxGuy2020: /etc/hosts ? |
| 01:57.45 | LinuxGuy2020 | Well then my real question is why do I have to type in "192.168.1.100:ipaddress/web/index.html" rather than just "192.168.1.100:ipaddress". |
| 01:58.15 | sysvalve | LinuxGuy2020: I don't get your question, but 192.168.1.100 _is_ the IP address |
| 01:58.17 | LinuxGuy2020 | This is concerning plex media server. But Im assuming its how networking works on debian or something. |
| 01:58.25 | sysvalve | the thing after the colon is the port |
| 01:58.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | right |
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| 01:58.45 | sysvalve | but it's not debian. Not even linux |
| 01:58.52 | sysvalve | its just the TCP/IP standard |
| 01:59.07 | LinuxGuy2020 | Im not sure why the /web/index.html is needed. Is it just the way the app was made? |
| 01:59.22 | sysvalve | LinuxGuy2020: yes, it's the path to the index.html file |
| 01:59.27 | LinuxGuy2020 | ok |
| 01:59.29 | sysvalve | relative to the documentroot |
| 01:59.33 | LinuxGuy2020 | I see |
| 01:59.36 | sysvalve | but that depends on your web server configuration |
| 01:59.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | thank you |
| 01:59.49 | sysvalve | you could move index.html to the documentroot and just refer to it as /index.html |
| 02:00.28 | LinuxGuy2020 | Well see I have no clue where on the drive that file is located to do that. I figured localhost might have been a folder |
| 02:01.05 | sysvalve | LinuxGuy2020: it depends on the web server configuration, as I said before |
| 02:01.26 | LinuxGuy2020 | ok |
| 02:01.32 | sysvalve | localhost is just a fancy way to spell 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:01.43 | LinuxGuy2020 | oh ok |
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| 02:04.35 | ctmjr | plex runs on port 32400 |
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| 02:06.02 | datajunkie | Is it just me or did Debian get knocked back into the stone age (ie.... the 90tys) |
| 02:06.26 | ctmjr | so it would be ip:32400/manage and it is not a debian problem there is a #plex channel |
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| 02:08.37 | sysvalve | datajunkie: well, I don't recall if it was here or on OFTC, but someone asked before for compiz |
| 02:08.41 | sysvalve | so yes, we are going backwards in time |
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| 02:10.12 | datajunkie | Sometimes I really think it is time to make my own distro completely independant of other kernels just the raw linux kernal |
| 02:11.08 | datajunkie | Sysvalve I really feel like I am dealing with redhat 5 hahaha it is like the same problems |
| 02:11.19 | urn | okay what am I missing, `apt-get -t wheezy-backports upgrade iceweasel` wants to upgrade everything instead of just iceweasel. what do? |
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| 02:11.46 | datajunkie | LOL |
| 02:12.13 | centrx | urn, "everything"? |
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| 02:13.21 | urn | yes apt-get wants to upgrade a bunch of packages to backports like cmake, tar, tmux, etc. totally unrelated to iceweasel |
| 02:13.24 | datajunkie | sounds like -t is being ignorned |
| 02:13.28 | urn | ^ |
| 02:13.32 | Brigo | urn, what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:13.42 | datajunkie | generally apt seems to take update very seriously |
| 02:13.45 | urn | i'm trying to upgrade my iceweasel that is installed from backports |
| 02:14.33 | urn | but that's the only backports package I have installed and when I try to `-t wheezy-backports upgrade iceweasel` apt-get wants to upgrade all my non-backports packages to backports |
| 02:15.29 | Brigo | ,v iceweasel |
| 02:15.31 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.3.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; sid: 24.4.0esr-1; experimental: 28.0-1 |
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| 02:16.00 | Brigo | urn, what iceweasel version do you have? |
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| 02:16.22 | thoonai | heyho, I want to set up a traffic tracker which counts the traffic for every IP its communicating with |
| 02:16.25 | thoonai | any hints for good tools? |
| 02:17.14 | datajunkie | get etherape |
| 02:17.18 | Brigo | thoonai, iptraf may be? |
| 02:17.21 | datajunkie | wireshark |
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| 02:17.47 | datajunkie | tcpdump |
| 02:17.50 | urn | Brigo, 27.0.1-1~bpo70+1 |
| 02:17.53 | datajunkie | there are a tone |
| 02:18.04 | thoonai | ok |
| 02:18.13 | datajunkie | er ton |
| 02:18.13 | Brigo | urn, you can see, in wheezy yo have 24.3 |
| 02:18.28 | Brigo | urn, no more upgrade availables. |
| 02:18.36 | datajunkie | btw thooai tcpdump is default in debian it is already installed |
| 02:18.39 | datajunkie | or should be |
| 02:18.50 | urn | there is, it's a security patch I saw it on the mailing list |
| 02:19.21 | urn | and when I do `-t wheezy-backports install iceweasel` instead of upgrade it tells me iceweasel will be upgraded |
| 02:19.47 | urn | Brigo, ^ |
| 02:20.01 | Brigo | urn, it looks ok, what is the problem, then? |
| 02:20.40 | urn | confused about the command I guess. Upgrade doesn't respect `-t wheezy-backports` and I wanted to know if I was just doing it wrong and making a mistake... |
| 02:20.51 | xbr3031 | i'm trying to get the mouse acceleration on my laptop's touchpad to speed up. anyone know how i can do that? |
| 02:21.00 | xbr3031 | tried synclient |
| 02:21.40 | Brigo | urn, you can't upgrade backport, only intall them. |
| 02:22.17 | urn | Brigo, alrighty then! Didn't know that as I haven't messed with backports until now! |
| 02:22.22 | urn | thanks |
| 02:22.31 | Brigo | urn, np :) |
| 02:22.45 | thoonai | thanks |
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| 02:24.03 | thoonai | so I think I'll use either iptraf or tcpdum |
| 02:24.09 | thoonai | +p |
| 02:24.21 | datajunkie | :) |
| 02:25.43 | datajunkie | I actually have a question... It is about gnome 3 though... Is there a way of restarting a session without logging out? Like we use to do in windowmaker |
| 02:25.49 | thoonai | my server has a vpn relay function and I guess the 28GB traffic from thursday to friday are causes by that |
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| 02:27.38 | thoonai | normally I have about 2GB traffic/month and not ~30GB |
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| 02:28.07 | datajunkie | 0.o |
| 02:28.20 | datajunkie | logs |
| 02:28.23 | datajunkie | they do wonders |
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| 02:29.29 | urn | nethogs is also a handy tool. it breaks down traffic by process |
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| 02:31.43 | datajunkie | oh thanks urn |
| 02:32.01 | Joel | what/where does udisks-daemon get started? |
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| 02:34.25 | datajunkie | Hey urn this nethogs is awsome :D can you set it to a lan? |
| 02:35.21 | urn | datajunkie, np, it's one of those hidden gems :) and I think you can point it to an iface |
| 02:35.49 | Brigo | datajunkie, you must tell nethogs the interface |
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| 02:36.57 | esulu | hello all |
| 02:37.53 | esulu | i have one problem, i can't run the virtualbox in debian , i have the flowing error: kernel driver not install rc=-1908 debian |
| 02:38.00 | esulu | can you helping me please |
| 02:38.02 | esulu | ? |
| 02:38.36 | zinx | datajunkie: logs.. they're better than bad, they're good! |
| 02:38.39 | thoonai | iftop ignores upd traffic I think |
| 02:39.31 | centrx | esulu, apt-get install virtualbox-dkms |
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| 02:40.04 | thoonai | and iptraf won't show neither the vservers interface nor the vpn interface |
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| 02:41.06 | esulu | centrx: se it please http://paste.debian.net/88991/ |
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| 02:43.45 | centrx | esulu, What happens if you run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
| 02:44.58 | esulu | centrx: just the moment please i reboot my laptop and now it work |
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| 02:45.06 | esulu | thanks very much |
| 02:45.11 | centrx | Wonderful |
| 02:45.27 | gasull | How can I check if I have permissions in polkit to shutdown/reboot? When I click on the icons in the Xfce panel I get logged out instead. |
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| 03:35.05 | stealth- | hi everyone! I have a RAID array of external USB harddrives on a ubuntu machine, and I believe that MDRAID is incorrectly marking a disk as "failed" because the read timeout is too low for the USB drives to spin back up in time. Does anyone know how to raise this timeout value? |
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| 04:17.23 | IMM0rtalis | hi, anyone here who can help me with "Nameserver error. (ERROR: 106 Inconsistent set of nameserver IP addresses " ? :-( |
| 04:17.47 | centrx | IMM0rtalis, Look in your /etc/resolv.fon ? |
| 04:17.55 | centrx | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:18.18 | themill | twists centrx's keyboard slightly |
| 04:18.53 | centrx | sknaht |
| 04:19.42 | IMM0rtalis | i got there domain mydomain.de | search mydomain.de | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | and three nameserver with ips from extern nameservers |
| 04:19.57 | themill | please pastebin the actual file |
| 04:20.08 | IMM0rtalis | in flood? |
| 04:20.13 | themill | paste.debian.net |
| 04:21.29 | IMM0rtalis | http://paste.debian.net/88993 |
| 04:21.44 | centrx | That sure is a lot of nameservers |
| 04:22.01 | IMM0rtalis | 3 external nameserver |
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| 04:22.17 | IMM0rtalis | and ip6 |
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| 04:23.07 | themill | MAXNS=3 |
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| 04:23.40 | IMM0rtalis | but what are with the ip6-addresses? |
| 04:23.44 | themill | (there's also not really any point in having anything beyond 127.0.0.1) |
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| 04:24.38 | IMM0rtalis | this is the full response from denic: |
| 04:24.39 | IMM0rtalis | (ERROR: 106 Inconsistent set of nameserver IP addresses (NS, provided glues, determined glues) (ns1.mydomain.de, [/xxx.76.71.132, /xxxx:4f8:191:8483:0:0:0:2], [/xxx.76.71.132]) /Code: 319) |
| 04:24.55 | IMM0rtalis | i dont know whre the 3. one is coming from |
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| 04:26.26 | IMM0rtalis | http://paste.debian.net/88994/ |
| 04:28.48 | themill | IMM0rtalis: you've not included the IP addresses for those nameservers in your glue record |
| 04:29.42 | themill | (this is unrelated to your resolv.conf; but your resolv.conf makes no sense anyway) |
| 04:30.33 | IMM0rtalis | in the controlpanel of my serverprovider were just the nameservernames. and then there was the hint: if you add your own nameserver here and the domain of the nameserver in within the nameserver, please enter also ip... |
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| 04:31.06 | IMM0rtalis | my resolv.conf now just have 3 nameserverentries... the 127.0.0.1 one and an ip4 and ip6 one |
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| 04:32.38 | themill | IMM0rtalis: http://serverfault.com/questions/405150/why-is-denic-not-accepting-my-nameservers |
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| 04:33.55 | IMM0rtalis | i hadn realy understand the solution there |
| 04:34.25 | IMM0rtalis | my own nameserver has a AAAA record |
| 04:34.36 | IMM0rtalis | do the external nameserver also need these records? |
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| 04:38.46 | IMM0rtalis | is my ip6 in a wrong format? because at the "solution" you send me there is 2a00:1158:3::b6 , but denic responses 2a00:1158:3:0:0:0:0:b6 |
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| 04:46.12 | IMM0rtalis | :-/ |
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| 04:48.33 | themill | IMM0rtalis: the registrar needs to be told the IPs of your name servers so that they can tell others how to find them |
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| 05:24.58 | iamstupid | join #truthaboutwomen to have an honest discussion about women and we try to figure them out |
| 05:25.25 | average | iamstupid: can you please just.. |
| 05:25.31 | average | iamstupid: why are you in #debian anyway ? |
| 05:25.41 | iamstupid | because debian is the best operating system |
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| 05:25.51 | centrx | lol |
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| 05:26.04 | average | this is .. just .. completely surreal |
| 05:26.24 | average | iamstupid: dude, women are like men, they are people, what ... is #debian the new #feminism ? |
| 05:26.27 | average | what is this ? |
| 05:26.28 | iamstupid | who here agrees women are all prostitutes |
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| 05:26.41 | iamstupid | and girlfriends are overpriced prostitutes |
| 05:26.43 | average | someone please ban this complete retard |
| 05:26.44 | average | !ops |
| 05:26.45 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 05:26.46 | average | !op |
| 05:27.06 | iamstupid | how am i a complete retard? do you fail to see the correlation? are you blinded by your sheer idiocy? |
| 05:27.14 | average | !ops |
| 05:27.14 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 05:27.28 | namespace | What's the lightest window manager that isn't tiled? |
| 05:27.31 | average | !ops inappropriate language |
| 05:27.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: average complains about: inappropriate language |
| 05:27.41 | centrx | calm down |
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| 05:27.48 | iamstupid | your girlfriend expects you to "treat her well" that means buy her lavish gifts and in return she will have sex with you |
| 05:27.48 | centrx | iamstupid, This is off topic |
| 05:27.51 | joj | Good afternoon. For all Debian .de and .jp mirrors, I get since 24hrs the error Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch for all possible mirrors when trying to update APT for the sid suite. Only sid, experimental is fine. Soes somebody else see problems with the Unstable mirror? |
| 05:28.04 | centrx | namespace, openbox |
| 05:28.14 | centrx | namespace, That's the most popular light window manager |
| 05:28.15 | iamstupid | unless the girl is fat or ugly, then she'll gladly have sex with you because very few people want to |
| 05:28.53 | namespace | centrx: Popular isn't necessarily a consideration, but I'm going to assume that the performance gains of using something else aren't really worth it? I'm trying to run a single graphical application on thin clients. |
| 05:29.12 | namespace | So actualy usability beyond displaying that one window isn't a concern. |
| 05:29.18 | centrx | namespace, sorry by popular I just mean not derelict |
| 05:29.25 | namespace | centrx: Ah. |
| 05:29.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:29.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.177.95.243] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:29.25 | average | namespace: why not go for a tiling window manager ? |
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| 05:29.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:29.35 | average | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:29.49 | dondelelcaro | no problem; services was just really slow |
| 05:30.16 | centrx | namespace, I don't know if a tiling window manager is necessarily faster/less resource intensive |
| 05:30.17 | namespace | average: I guess I could, I think the people who are intended to use these might be freaked out by it though. |
| 05:30.38 | average | namespace: I recommend i3 , it's not a freaky thing, it's completely normal, no funky stuff |
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| 05:31.05 | dondelelcaro | namespace: or just awesome; if it's just running a single application, it's pretty easy to configure it to be maximized |
| 05:31.07 | average | namespace: if you have specific questions about it, you can ask and I'll do my best to give you an answer |
| 05:31.23 | centrx | namespace, I use openbox with fbpanel. openbox uses 10MB of RAM, fbpanel uses 10MB of RAM. |
| 05:32.20 | namespace | centrx: Thanks, openbox sounds good. Might look into awesome. |
| 05:32.58 | average | dondelelcaro: have you tried i3 ? how do you find it in comparison to i3 ? |
| 05:33.14 | average | there's a lot of tiling window managers these days. I started using them in 2009 or so.. |
| 05:33.19 | average | or 2010 I think |
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| 05:33.31 | average | but they're getting more and more popular |
| 05:33.49 | average | dwm, wmii, i3, awesome, ratpoison, xmonad etc etc etc |
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| 05:34.24 | centrx | IMM0rtalis, Why not use just one name server? :) |
| 05:34.24 | average | dondelelcaro: sorry, meant to ask awesome in comparison to i3 |
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| 05:35.59 | IMM0rtalis | centrx, you mean in resolv.conf? |
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| 05:36.16 | centrx | IMM0rtalis, Yeah, why do you have so many? |
| 05:36.41 | IMM0rtalis | it was already set by the debian-installscript by hetzner |
| 05:37.03 | IMM0rtalis | now i have just 3 there |
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| 05:37.16 | IMM0rtalis | 127.0.0.1 , one ip4 and one ip6 |
| 05:37.31 | IMM0rtalis | but i dont think this is the problem |
| 05:37.34 | average | IMM0rtalis: are you allowed to make custom debian images with your stuff on them(instead of hetzner stuff) on hetzner ? |
| 05:37.53 | namespace | I think openbox will work fine. Thanks guys. |
| 05:37.58 | IMM0rtalis | huh.. yeah, why not. this is a rootserver |
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| 05:38.27 | IMM0rtalis | but i installed over the hetzner-interface the minimal debian ... it was simle ;-) |
| 05:38.32 | IMM0rtalis | simple* |
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| 05:45.16 | IMM0rtalis | this is the zonees.conf http://paste.debian.net/88997/ |
| 05:47.02 | IMM0rtalis | this one the named.conf.options http://paste.debian.net/88998/ |
| 05:47.43 | IMM0rtalis | reply of denic: http://paste.debian.net/88999/ |
| 05:48.27 | IMM0rtalis | and finaly my zone-file: http://paste.debian.net/89000/ |
| 05:48.36 | IMM0rtalis | does anyone see my mistake? :-( |
| 05:49.50 | IMM0rtalis | centrx, now with all the information any idea? |
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| 06:22.10 | amir__ | hi |
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| 06:28.27 | one | What needs be to switch x / lightdm to another vt? |
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| 06:36.01 | MaDpOpPeT | Has anyone figured out how to actually install google chrome in any linux ever since this new version? |
| 06:36.27 | rozie | one: you mean another desktop (one of 2-4)? |
| 06:36.28 | average | MaDpOpPeT: stop using it |
| 06:36.31 | average | MaDpOpPeT: what for ? |
| 06:37.04 | average | MaDpOpPeT: you have plenty of equivalent choices: Firefox, dwb, uzbl, etc etc |
| 06:37.47 | Aeiri | MaDpOpPeT: chromium? |
| 06:38.39 | centrx | MaDpOpPeT, chromium is the Debian package for Chrome |
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| 06:38.45 | rozie | one: OK, I clearly misundersood your question |
| 06:38.55 | MaDpOpPeT | OHHHH thank you centrx |
| 06:39.02 | average | do not use chromium |
| 06:39.06 | rozie | chromium is not a chrome |
| 06:39.18 | centrx | average, Why are you saying this? |
| 06:39.22 | MaDpOpPeT | crap |
| 06:39.24 | MaDpOpPeT | LOL |
| 06:39.26 | MaDpOpPeT | why not |
| 06:39.28 | average | because I want to discourage use of Chrome/Chromium |
| 06:39.30 | centrx | chromium is the open-source version of Chrome |
| 06:39.32 | average | I believe it's full of malware |
| 06:39.40 | rozie | is's modified, open source version of chrome |
| 06:39.46 | MaDpOpPeT | I agree however to do what I do I need to be able to view youtube |
| 06:40.01 | centrx | average, The source code for chromium is available... |
| 06:40.02 | average | even Chromium ran multiple "CookieExperiments" and all sorts of CPU-intensive "Trials" on my machine |
| 06:40.09 | average | I do not trust Chromium or Chrome anymore |
| 06:40.10 | MaDpOpPeT | if you can come up with a good alturnitive from that douchbaggery on adobie and googles part let me know |
| 06:40.28 | average | MaDpOpPeT: I just gave you multiple alternatives |
| 06:40.32 | average | MaDpOpPeT: Firefox, dwb, uzbl |
| 06:41.03 | MaDpOpPeT | average the problem with at least firefox is that it uses adobie flash |
| 06:41.07 | MaDpOpPeT | er adobe |
| 06:41.17 | average | that's not a problem |
| 06:41.19 | Aeiri | MaDpOpPeT: so does chrome.. |
| 06:41.26 | MaDpOpPeT | and it is no longer supported via a dickish deal struct by google and them |
| 06:41.26 | average | if you want to use Adobe Flash, let noone stop you |
| 06:41.32 | average | but be warned, Adobe is full of malware |
| 06:41.36 | rozie | if you use flash, browser does not really matter |
| 06:41.39 | average | I have an alternative for that too |
| 06:41.45 | wols_ | and chromium probably doesn't use flash at all, cause the flash inside chrome is not free software afaik |
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| 06:42.18 | average | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper |
| 06:42.24 | MaDpOpPeT | Sadly the only reason I need chrome at all is youtube |
| 06:42.27 | rozie | chromium works with flash just fine |
| 06:42.29 | average | this Firefox extension allows you to download Youtube videos |
| 06:42.33 | average | and you can play them with a video player |
| 06:42.41 | average | MaDpOpPeT: then you don't need Chrome |
| 06:42.48 | rozie | average: very convinient |
| 06:42.59 | MaDpOpPeT | the key holders of that site have forced me into a solution to this problem after we as the linux commuity have supported adobe as much as they have supported us |
| 06:43.00 | average | rozie: yes, I'm a good guy, I want to suggest better alternatives |
| 06:43.00 | Aeiri | look |
| 06:43.05 | average | I hope MaDpOpPeT listens to me |
| 06:43.08 | Aeiri | use firefox, use the HTML5 version of youtube, problem solved |
| 06:43.17 | MaDpOpPeT | average ya that is called dwhelper |
| 06:43.24 | average | MaDpOpPeT: yes sir |
| 06:43.29 | average | MaDpOpPeT: have you tried it ? |
| 06:43.36 | rozie | it should mark videos for download, then email it. this would be even better |
| 06:43.51 | rozie | and even RMS could watch YT videos then... |
| 06:44.04 | Aeiri | https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 06:44.12 | MaDpOpPeT | Ok just so you know before you treat me like a noob.... I have been using *.nix since it was mainframe |
| 06:44.20 | average | rozie: Mozilla Firefox extensions are Javascript(mostly) , you can modify it to e-mail stuff to you if you want |
| 06:44.21 | MaDpOpPeT | I have been programming over 20 years |
| 06:44.25 | MaDpOpPeT | I know what I am doing |
| 06:44.28 | average | Aeiri: not all of youtube is HTML5, sadly |
| 06:44.37 | MaDpOpPeT | no need to treat me like I am making bad choices |
| 06:44.46 | average | Aeiri: however, the extension works on all of youtube |
| 06:44.50 | MaDpOpPeT | and to be honest I HATE CHROME |
| 06:44.54 | MaDpOpPeT | I HATE GOOGLe |
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| 06:45.07 | average | MaDpOpPeT: then do not use Chromium/Chrome |
| 06:45.14 | MaDpOpPeT | see the thing is that there are suggested extentionsni |
| 06:45.18 | MaDpOpPeT | but I can't find them |
| 06:45.24 | MaDpOpPeT | like flashreplacer |
| 06:45.24 | average | MaDpOpPeT: I suggested you the extension |
| 06:45.31 | average | MaDpOpPeT: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/ |
| 06:45.35 | average | you don't need flashreplacer |
| 06:45.36 | rozie | average: I know it's possible. but who would use it? |
| 06:45.43 | average | rozie: yourself, if you so need |
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| 06:45.55 | MaDpOpPeT | ok lets try it |
| 06:46.00 | MaDpOpPeT | what is the extention again? |
| 06:46.06 | rozie | you didn't get the point, sorry |
| 06:46.09 | MaDpOpPeT | the html5 one? |
| 06:46.18 | average | MaDpOpPeT: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/ |
| 06:46.21 | average | this is the last time I paste it |
| 06:46.23 | rozie | MaDpOpPeT: you don't need extension to use html5 |
| 06:46.34 | average | you don't even need HTML5 |
| 06:46.34 | rozie | just visit https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 06:46.43 | average | I already mentioned not all videos on youtube are HTML5 |
| 06:46.45 | rozie | but not all videos are avaliable |
| 06:46.49 | shawnbon206 | just use chrome |
| 06:46.50 | average | so the /html5 will not work for all the videos |
| 06:46.54 | rozie | especially the older one are missing |
| 06:46.56 | average | shawnbon206: no, chrome is bad for your health |
| 06:47.06 | MaDpOpPeT | trying it now |
| 06:47.15 | MaDpOpPeT | yes I know chrome is the devil |
| 06:47.15 | shawnbon206 | nu uh |
| 06:47.16 | MaDpOpPeT | brb |
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| 06:48.38 | shawnbon206 | youre going to reject modern technology you might as well do it right. check out w3m browser |
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| 06:48.54 | MaDpOpPeT | thank you |
| 06:48.56 | MaDpOpPeT | this works fine |
| 06:49.06 | MaDpOpPeT | I can remove that google crap now |
| 06:49.07 | MaDpOpPeT | :D |
| 06:49.10 | shawnbon206 | its like the 70's, only enhanced |
| 06:49.16 | clue_h | im using gnash until html5 is adopted which means forever |
| 06:49.22 | average | MaDpOpPeT: you are welcome |
| 06:50.10 | shawnbon206 | <-- pepperflash. just worksâ„¢. |
| 06:50.48 | MaDpOpPeT | for true solid browsers I go for lynx |
| 06:50.54 | MaDpOpPeT | oh crap I need to install that |
| 06:50.57 | clue_h | it's the same for chromium then? just use pepperflash? |
| 06:50.59 | MaDpOpPeT | forgot -_- |
| 06:51.18 | average | do not use pepperflash or gnash |
| 06:51.37 | average | they implement a proprietary technology called "Flash" |
| 06:51.41 | average | they are unhealthy |
| 06:51.46 | average | and even Apple dropped Flash |
| 06:51.55 | average | it's proprietary and harmful |
| 06:52.08 | clue_h | gnash works fine for me though |
| 06:52.10 | shawnbon206 | clue_h if you want to fix flash in chromium the easiest way is to copy pepperflash from chrome and copy it to the chromium dir |
| 06:52.26 | MaDpOpPeT | for browsing outside of the flashy new crap LYNX is the only browser worth a damn |
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| 06:52.49 | shawnbon206 | ok we get it. its non-free |
| 06:53.08 | average | let me expand on this |
| 06:53.17 | shawnbon206 | no |
| 06:53.18 | average | when running adobe flash, you do not know what you're running |
| 06:53.19 | shawnbon206 | drop it |
| 06:53.20 | clue_h | shawnbon206, might try that, i dont have any non-free things though |
| 06:53.29 | average | the same goes for chrome |
| 06:53.35 | average | and the same goes for google hangouts plugin |
| 06:53.46 | shawnbon206 | youre an extremist |
| 06:53.51 | average | I am not an extremist |
| 06:53.58 | shawnbon206 | lefty |
| 06:54.24 | rozie | not lefty. RMSy |
| 06:54.27 | average | shawnbon206: let's talk again when your machine gets infected with tons of malware ok ? |
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| 06:54.42 | these_eyes | Is there a way to change the vt X11 runs on? |
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| 06:56.36 | rozie | average: I hope you use DIY hardware and firmwares only. because, you know, there are some backdoors/bugs in firmware and chips |
| 06:57.00 | average | rozie: as I said, I'm not an extremist |
| 06:57.24 | rozie | let's talk again when your machine gets infected with tons of malware! |
| 06:57.27 | average | rozie: in as much as my tools/knowledge/skills allow me, I want to do all I can to not propagate/proliferate harm unto myself or others |
| 06:57.44 | MaDpOpPeT | Honestly as far as flash goes it needs to go away and allow for something new |
| 06:57.52 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 06:58.02 | MaDpOpPeT | html5 might do it but money trumps creativity in this world |
| 06:58.26 | clue_h | flash remains because drm does |
| 06:58.29 | rozie | I'd say that if you are really paranoid, you can use virtual machine for browsing the net. even with flash |
| 06:58.34 | shawnbon206 | average actually i agree with you, i dont use flash myself. you just dont need to be shoving your views down peoples throats in the support channel |
| 06:59.17 | MaDpOpPeT | are there any sandboxie programs that install on debian like sandboxie for winblows that is the best way to deal with it... just sadbox your browser |
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| 06:59.39 | MaDpOpPeT | and then you don't have to deal with a bloated ass vm |
| 06:59.52 | average | MaDpOpPeT: I have spent 3 days sandboxing chrome |
| 06:59.58 | average | MaDpOpPeT: it's very hard, and I give up |
| 07:00.08 | average | MaDpOpPeT: the problems came because it needs access to all sorts of stuff in /dev and /proc |
| 07:00.21 | average | MaDpOpPeT: I used chroot to create a sandbox for it |
| 07:00.27 | rozie | why sandboxing, not VM? |
| 07:00.31 | average | MaDpOpPeT: it needed access to /dev/snd for sound and a bunch of other stuff |
| 07:00.40 | average | rozie: that's what I eventually stuck with, a VM |
| 07:00.48 | average | it's the easiest way to sandbox chrome IMHO |
| 07:00.51 | shawnbon206 | do a chroot inside a vm |
| 07:02.10 | average | but even a sandbox does not offer complete isolation, there are ways to escape it |
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| 07:02.33 | rozie | shawnbon206: and grsec kernel in VM, of course? ;) |
| 07:02.46 | shawnbon206 | sure |
| 07:03.03 | shawnbon206 | thats what i do for redtube |
| 07:03.26 | MaDpOpPeT | OH CRAP |
| 07:03.34 | MaDpOpPeT | WHAT ABOUT MY PRON |
| 07:03.36 | MaDpOpPeT | lol |
| 07:04.16 | MaDpOpPeT | It is amazing how intrusive google is |
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| 07:09.27 | joj | MaDpOpPeT: shawnbon206: adding to the discussion: why do people still put up with streamed video in crappy flash players? Download it directly and watch it in mplayer, with vaapi/gl/xv/whatever kinds of acceleration. |
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| 07:10.58 | these_eyes | grsec ? |
| 07:13.27 | average | joj: the extension I suggested did exactly that, it downleded the video directly |
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| 08:00.18 | erm3nda | Q: Hi. I do make to the hostapd sources. I dont know where's the output file. What i have to do? thanks. |
| 08:00.24 | Naked_ | hello, I'm getting an error running apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 08:00.53 | Naked_ | removing /var/lib/apt/lists/* did not help, and there is no proxy that mangles files in between |
| 08:01.03 | Naked_ | (I hope, or all of Finland has it) |
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| 08:01.09 | somiaj | erm3nda: Where did you get these sources? Are you using debian sources or getting them from a thrid party? |
| 08:01.44 | Naked_ | the broken files are main/sources and main/i386-binary |
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| 08:02.14 | erm3nda | from here http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd |
| 08:02.14 | Naked_ | and my sources.list is simply: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 08:02.35 | erm3nda | anyway, if i do make from some package, wich is the suposed output file? |
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| 08:02.55 | erm3nda | Naked: did u clean apt cache? |
| 08:03.05 | somiaj | Naked_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15505775/debian-apt-packages-hash-sum-mismatch -- did you follow the instructions there? |
| 08:03.39 | wols_ | erm3nda: why didn't you install the debian hostapd package? |
| 08:03.53 | erm3nda | because a fail |
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| 08:04.23 | Naked_ | erm3nda: yes |
| 08:04.25 | Naked_ | somiaj: yes |
| 08:04.29 | erm3nda | i must compile by myself to enable driver nl80211 |
| 08:04.33 | alteregoa | why linux doesnt use the DRM by default? |
| 08:04.39 | erm3nda | y configure .config file |
| 08:04.42 | wols_ | Naked_: does the partial/ directory exist? |
| 08:05.05 | Naked_ | wols_: after an update, yes - after rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*, obviously no |
| 08:05.06 | wols_ | erm3nda: what "fail"? |
| 08:05.14 | erm3nda | i fix a lot of missing files and headers on system and do make again. dont know wheres the output file |
| 08:05.19 | erm3nda | is not a real fail |
| 08:05.34 | Naked_ | ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources.decomp.FAILED |
| 08:05.36 | erm3nda | debian package has not enabled driver for nl80211 driver |
| 08:05.52 | wols_ | erm3nda: your description is a total "fail" so far. why can't you install the debian hostapd package? and this time I expect a real and proper answer |
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| 08:06.32 | wols_ | erm3nda: hostapd is a user mode program. there is no driver there |
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| 08:06.35 | Naked_ | form release file: a792bf4446b4b430bdc57be6a33ba3bb 7072948 main/source/Sources.xz |
| 08:06.39 | erm3nda | man, read. I do but the nl80211 driver is not marked as enable on that package, and i need it. To get it i must compile from source |
| 08:06.44 | Naked_ | and from my filesystem: # md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources |
| 08:06.47 | Naked_ | a792bf4446b4b430bdc57be6a33ba3bb /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources |
| 08:07.27 | Naked_ | xz decompression does not give any errors |
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| 08:08.22 | Naked_ | does apt-get store the downloaded Release file somewhere on the filesystem? |
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| 08:09.11 | erm3nda | wols: are you sure? Next, we need to configure the hostapd build to enable nl80211 driver support. Take a look http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd |
| 08:09.20 | Naked_ | hmmh, obviously inside /var/lib/apt/lists, hm |
| 08:09.52 | Naked_ | yes, ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_InRelease is also correct |
| 08:10.15 | erm3nda | explicit: DRIVER SUPPORT. i dont tell you driver inside nor driver installation. anyway. I ask about make output. |
| 08:10.33 | wols_ | erm3nda: I am sure. and you didn't read your own link. "It is advisable to try your distributions version of hostapd before taking the time to compile and install your own copy. This will make future maintenance easier as you'll be able to use the init scripts shipped by the distro and hostapd will be updated by it as well. If your distribution ships 0.6.8 or later, " |
| 08:10.35 | erm3nda | i do make and cannot see where's the output. suggestion? |
| 08:10.57 | wols_ | erm3nda: the suggestion is you compiling your own hostapd and read your howto more |
| 08:11.03 | erm3nda | i tried 0.8.6 version |
| 08:11.18 | wols_ | there is no 0.8.6 version in debian |
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| 08:11.27 | wols_ | what debian version are you running exactly? |
| 08:11.38 | Naked_ | hmmh found this in one bug report "However, it seems the issue is caused |
| 08:11.39 | average | Naked_: maybe /var/cache/apt ? |
| 08:11.40 | Naked_ | by xz decompressor truncating the files" |
| 08:11.44 | erm3nda | Debian 7 wheezy armel |
| 08:11.57 | wols_ | ,v hostapd armel |
| 08:11.58 | judd | Package: hostapd on armel -- squeeze: 1:0.6.10-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:0.6.10-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1:1.0-3+b1; jessie: 1:1.1-1; sid: 1:1.1-1 |
| 08:12.08 | somiaj | erm3nda: google seems to suggest the version in debian (which is newer than 0.8.6) has that driver. One error that came up was there was an extra space in the config file causing the output to say 'no such driver', care to paste the output (and command you ran) that gives you the no such diver error on paste.debian.net |
| 08:12.10 | wols_ | then you have hostapd 1.0-3+b1 |
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| 08:13.28 | erm3nda | i use .config file using debconf file. did u say there's an error (extra space) on that file? |
| 08:13.41 | erm3nda | defconf sorry, a default file |
| 08:14.13 | Naked_ | I think I found the problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624122#131 |
| 08:14.18 | somiaj | erm3nda: no I said I saw one such user who that is an error, and it would be helpful if you gave us some actual output of the command you ran |
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| 08:14.23 | Naked_ | this is a bug in apt |
| 08:14.37 | wols_ | Naked_: welcome to sid |
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| 08:14.56 | erm3nda | the make output? or the output when i tried to install using apt? |
| 08:14.59 | average | welcome to software, even ! |
| 08:15.40 | clue_h | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.43 | somiaj | the output from trying to run the daemon |
| 08:15.56 | wols_ | erm3nda: did you ever try hostapd? and what exact error caused you to start compiling your own? we want to see this exact error |
| 08:16.01 | clue_h | on a debian system |
| 08:16.37 | Naked_ | wols_: I've been a sid user for more than 10 years :-) |
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| 08:18.06 | erm3nda | where i must past the code? |
| 08:18.25 | wols_ | !paste |
| 08:18.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:19.18 | erm3nda | here is http://paste.debian.net/89005/ |
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| 08:20.14 | wols_ | erm3nda: why do you have hostapd-0.6.8 which is not in debian? we want the error from the debian hostapd |
| 08:20.22 | erm3nda | so, i found a post about that, and tried to compile myself enabling nl82011 support. And NO, never used hostapd before :( |
| 08:20.35 | erm3nda | dont know |
| 08:20.50 | erm3nda | the output is from apt-get package, not the 0.8.6 |
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| 08:20.57 | erm3nda | i download 0.8.6 version later |
| 08:21.07 | wols_ | there is no "0.8.6". it does not exist! |
| 08:21.13 | erm3nda | 0.6.8 |
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| 08:21.33 | wols_ | and your paste clearly shows you are using 0.6.8 which is not in debian. please use the DEBIAN package and not some crap you downloaded on your own |
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| 08:22.03 | wols_ | also your paste showed it lacks the bridge utilties, which you need to have installed |
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| 08:22.16 | wols_ | read line 18 of your paste |
| 08:22.33 | erm3nda | i install using apt-get install hostapd, tried to use hostapd -dd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and didn't work |
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| 08:22.51 | erm3nda | even if i read it dont underntand |
| 08:23.01 | erm3nda | im not a power linux user :( |
| 08:23.27 | wols_ | you need to install bridge-utils |
| 08:23.30 | erm3nda | i do |
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| 08:24.01 | Naked_ | for anybody getting Hash Checksum Errors: place Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: "gz"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99disablelzma |
| 08:24.02 | erm3nda | apt-get install wireless-tools hostapd bridge-utils |
| 08:24.13 | Naked_ | remember to remove the file in a week or two when the bug has been fixed |
| 08:24.51 | wols_ | erm3nda: dpkg -l |grep bridge |
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| 08:27.50 | erm3nda | wols_: wait a bit, it's stucked at that command. It's a very slow system :D |
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| 08:29.46 | wols_ | yeah. armel :P |
| 08:29.58 | wols_ | is this a dockstar or a pogoplug? |
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| 08:32.24 | erm3nda | it's a wm8505 smarbook, the lowest one. 175bogomips (300mhz) 128ram using debian wheezy from sdcard |
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| 08:32.38 | erm3nda | 32€ :X |
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| 08:33.06 | erm3nda | is my learn station, and someday i will turn it on a smartplane fliying to the ground XD |
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| 08:34.04 | erm3nda | dpkg grep returns bridge-utils 1.5-6 |
| 08:34.04 | dpkg | erm3nda: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 08:35.30 | wols_ | so something in your hostapd config is probably wrong |
| 08:36.00 | wols_ | i also strongly suggest to set up static interfaces for the br0 bridged interface and your wlan and ethernet interface |
| 08:36.55 | erm3nda | i download a new source from debian packages |
| 08:36.58 | erm3nda | 0.6.10 |
| 08:37.01 | erm3nda | triying again |
| 08:37.19 | erm3nda | interface it's static defined |
| 08:37.29 | wols_ | the new sources are BAD. you are not supposed to download ANY source. none! nada! |
| 08:37.43 | erm3nda | so what i can do? |
| 08:37.53 | wols_ | debian wheezy comes with hostapd 1.0. that's what you are suppoesd to use and nothing else. no sources, no compiling |
| 08:38.00 | wols_ | I told you above what you should look at |
| 08:38.43 | erm3nda | you told me too much things XD sorry. |
| 08:38.52 | erm3nda | can you repeat me? |
| 08:39.17 | wols_ | your hostapd or your interfaces config is wrong most likely |
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| 08:39.45 | erm3nda | both wlan0 and eth0 works, i test it before |
| 08:40.02 | erm3nda | the hostapd i tried is the correct... downloaded using apt-get |
| 08:40.03 | wols_ | do you have a br0 in your interfaces file? |
| 08:40.07 | erm3nda | yes |
| 08:40.13 | erm3nda | i put it |
| 08:40.33 | wols_ | then I suggest do man hostapd and read about the debug messages |
| 08:40.35 | erm3nda | i can the link of the tutorial im following |
| 08:40.46 | erm3nda | i can past |
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| 08:42.26 | erm3nda | the new make verbose output it too diferent and clean than the other... waiting :D |
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| 08:42.52 | erm3nda | do yo haz ah solutiohn? XD |
| 08:43.31 | erm3nda | thank you for your help. it's very sad to know that i can do that on W7 wich a few clicks :( |
| 08:43.46 | erm3nda | "with a few" |
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| 08:47.00 | zezelle | bonjour |
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| 08:47.37 | wols_ | erm3nda: then run windows 7 on your ARM. good luck with that |
| 08:47.53 | wols_ | and why would you run "make"? |
| 08:47.58 | zezelle | francais |
| 08:48.03 | zezelle | le salon |
| 08:48.07 | wols_ | !fr |
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| 08:52.29 | erm3nda | erm3nda: then run windows 7 on your ARM. good luck with that : hahahahah SURE |
| 08:52.54 | erm3nda | i dont wanna run make, nor install nothing, nor get stucked at this... i wanna share internet between adapters |
| 08:53.05 | erm3nda | i follow a guide and get some erros... thats all... |
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| 08:53.46 | wols_ | and you've done nothing constructive so far to fix these errors. but you whined how much easier it all is on another OS. that really really makes us want to help you... |
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| 08:54.40 | erm3nda | first OF ALL. i ask where's the OUTPUT when i do make from a package |
| 08:54.48 | erm3nda | you say me ALL except that... |
| 08:54.52 | erm3nda | so, i ask again... |
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| 08:55.05 | erm3nda | Q: when i do a make from a source, where's the output? thanks |
| 08:55.27 | wols_ | that totally depends on the source |
| 08:55.37 | erm3nda | how can i check it? Makefile? |
| 08:55.41 | wols_ | you didn't "make from a package" but from source |
| 08:55.45 | wols_ | yes makefile usually |
| 08:55.45 | erm3nda | is the /build/ one ? |
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| 08:56.07 | erm3nda | there's are a common used path to do so? |
| 08:57.07 | wols_ | since compiling an old outdated hostapd source tarball will not fix your problem but make it worse, I will stop responding to that now |
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| 08:57.27 | erm3nda | hahaha |
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| 08:57.34 | wols_ | "helping" people to destroy they setup is not what this channel is for |
| 08:57.35 | erm3nda | dont understand you ... |
| 08:57.44 | erm3nda | im learning |
| 08:57.49 | erm3nda | that implies destroy |
| 08:57.54 | erm3nda | ¬¬ in my case |
| 08:58.04 | erm3nda | anyway, thank you |
| 08:58.19 | wols_ | there is a constructive way to do it, and there is a bad way to do that |
| 08:58.27 | erm3nda | i dont know that way |
| 08:59.25 | wols_ | yes,k I tried to show it to you, but I give up. I obviously didn't manage to teach you the right way for troubleshooting |
| 08:59.28 | erm3nda | you guys, experts, usually are more focused on thecnicism, and on your habits than the focus of the question. |
| 08:59.41 | erm3nda | anyway, i tell you again, thanks for your time |
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| 09:00.17 | erm3nda | how hard is to tell my where's the usually output of a make, or how to find it....? |
| 09:00.19 | wols_ | cause your question is utterly wrong. and when showed the right way you ignore it and complain. so what are we supposed to do? we can't force the horse to the water, we can only hand the water to it. if it refuses to drink... |
| 09:00.35 | erm3nda | you say me to use debian package |
| 09:00.40 | erm3nda | with i tried with no success... |
| 09:00.45 | erm3nda | dont? |
| 09:00.54 | wols_ | there is no "usual" output. and you simply look for a binary executable. executables have the executable bit set and ls --color shows them in bright colors too |
| 09:01.20 | erm3nda | interesting |
| 09:01.33 | erm3nda | so when i do a make, the output is a binary, not a deb package... |
| 09:01.39 | erm3nda | you can see im a totally noob |
| 09:01.41 | wols_ | you are compiling a many year old package when debian has a newer one that works. and 2nd the error you think is the error isn't. the only error in your paste is the bridge br0 one. the others all say "ignore that for now" |
| 09:02.06 | wols_ | when you do make, yes. debian packages aren't created with make but e.g. dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:02.40 | erm3nda | so, my next step is to try my new created file... try is free :) thanks |
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| 09:06.44 | erm3nda | okay, same error: add bridge br0: Package not installed. When i do grep on dpk -l i got bridge |
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| 09:06.53 | erm3nda | if i try ifup br0 same error |
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| 09:07.15 | erm3nda | isn't bridge installed? dpkg -l | grep bridge is telling a version :( |
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| 09:08.11 | wols_ | I told you to read the manpage of hostapd and use more debugging flags |
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| 09:11.58 | erm3nda | ok, thx |
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| 09:21.32 | erm3nda | seems like my kernel haven't bridge enabled. |
| 09:21.47 | OpenTokix | erm3nda: you probably need to install bridge-utils |
| 09:21.54 | erm3nda | can i route network adapters with iptables? |
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| 09:22.02 | erm3nda | i install bridge-utils |
| 09:22.13 | erm3nda | anyway returns packaged not installed |
| 09:22.13 | OpenTokix | erm3nda: you are not running stock kernel? |
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| 09:22.33 | erm3nda | im using a very rare and modified debian 7 armel |
| 09:22.39 | erm3nda | kernel says yus 3.0 |
| 09:22.43 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 09:23.03 | erm3nda | can i route network adapters with iptables? |
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| 09:23.17 | erm3nda | my goal is to share wifi internet to eth0 or other adapter |
| 09:23.31 | erm3nda | no real need of make a hostpot or something |
| 09:23.49 | OpenTokix | yes, you can do that with NAT I guess? |
| 09:24.27 | erm3nda | ok, must search, a read a bit about add route and maskerade... |
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| 09:33.47 | ectospasm | if you're not intimately familiar with writing iptables rulesets, I highly recommend Firewall Builder (fwbuilder in Debian repos). It helped tremendously |
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| 09:35.25 | rigo88 | hi. why am i unable to install a driver on cubian while it goes easy on "normal" minimal debian server? |
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| 09:35.46 | ectospasm | what is cubian? |
| 09:35.54 | ectospasm | !based on debian |
| 09:35.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 09:37.44 | jelly-home | rigo88: use #linux-sunxi for kernel issues on that board, but be aware that's a developer channel more than a user oriented one. You'll be expected to be able to crosscompile a kernel on your own. Use #cubian for issues with the install image and userspace. Use #cubieboard for questions about hardware and using linux on it. |
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| 09:39.13 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it's one of a few ready-made OS images for a specific arm board |
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| 09:39.48 | ectospasm | jelly-home: but is it Debian? |
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| 09:41.12 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it depends on your point of view... in context of this channel, it's a separate installer, a custom set of packages and additional custom configuration, so it's not debian but a derivative |
| 09:41.16 | erm3nda | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.22 | erm3nda | why use other "rare" distro? |
| 09:41.29 | erm3nda | you can downloa a minimal version of debian too |
| 09:41.35 | jelly-home | ectospasm: does it use only debian packaging and userspace? yes |
| 09:41.41 | erm3nda | enable a debian as a LAMP is so trivial |
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| 09:42.04 | erm3nda | using tasksel or even by hand... very few packages needed. |
| 09:42.20 | ectospasm | jelly-home: well, for the purposes of rigo88's question, it's not Debian then |
| 09:42.47 | jelly-home | which is why I suggested more appropriate places to ask that driver question, yes |
| 09:46.14 | rigo88 | erm3nda: yeah but i have a cubieboard. (and installing the liplian driver is not easy at all (for me. i get errormessages all the time, no clue which packages should be pre-installed before installing the driver) |
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| 09:48.34 | jelly-home | rigo88: you want to learn how to build your own kernel and integrate or patch with third-party drivers, on a PC. |
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| 10:01.44 | rigo88 | jelly-home: do i? or i wait 1 month until the tevii s662 will be integrated to a pre-built kernel... |
| 10:03.17 | jelly-home | rigo88: or pay someone to do it. In any case, it's an issue specific for the kernel component not provided by Debian, so best to ask elsewhere. |
| 10:04.49 | rigo88 | in example in the #cubian room? |
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| 10:05.52 | rigo88 | now i have to run. but /me troll will be back. :D |
| 10:05.57 | rigo88 | bye |
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| 10:52.38 | xtzgz | Hello! I use Debian Testing. When I insert any hotplug media - this includes sticks, android phone, cd/dvd, no option is given to mount the devices. IF the device was present AT BOOT time - then its visible for mounting. According to dmesg|tail kernel sees devices. But udisks --monitor does not show anything. If I run "sudo parted", then the devices suddenly appear. I have an impression its udev/udisks/dbus issue. I use XFCE, no GNOME or KD |
| 10:52.38 | xtzgz | E. My /etc/fstab contains just entries for root and swap partitions. |
| 10:53.35 | xtzgz | my question is if someone experienced similar issue. HAL is not installed. I use gamin for file monitoring. |
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| 10:57.43 | Brigo | xtzgz, did you seach in bug track? |
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| 10:59.49 | xtzgz | Brigo: several weeks behind, there was a bug in Debian packaging system itself that lead HAL to be installed into the system. I thought it was the case, so I removed it (confirmed it was there), but that just helped till reboot. If you claim its not a widely known issue then I will find and fill a bug report today. |
| 11:00.58 | xtzgz | Brigo: the problem is - I can't figure out against which package I should even search... |
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| 11:02.43 | aqib_ | i am going to download debian7.4 but i find there is amd64 only not x86_64 |
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| 11:03.13 | aqib_ | also there are DVD1 & DVD2 |
| 11:03.26 | aqib_ | whats the difference? |
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| 11:05.48 | xtzgz | aqib_: amd64 is x86_64. Amd invented x86_64. |
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| 11:06.18 | aqib_ | oh thanks |
| 11:07.13 | aqib_ | why there are 3 dvd in download |
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| 11:07.54 | aqib_ | for extra packages? |
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| 11:10.31 | MrFishfinger | aqib_: those are ALL the packages in the repo |
| 11:10.47 | MrFishfinger | aqib_: will you have Internet access during or after the install? |
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| 11:11.02 | MrFishfinger | Or is your Internet access at the install site particularly slow? |
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| 11:11.41 | aqib_ | ya i have |
| 11:12.03 | aqib_ | 60 kB/s speed |
| 11:12.44 | aqib_ | so those are neccessary to download |
| 11:12.52 | aqib_ | not* |
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| 12:25.57 | clue_h | lots of websites say different things on this, is iceweasel the same as firefox - ignoring the branding issue? |
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| 12:27.16 | nkuttler | clue_h: basically yes |
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| 12:27.21 | Nik05 | clue_h yes |
| 12:27.33 | nkuttler | !tell clue_h about iceweasel |
| 12:27.56 | Nik05 | automatic updates is disabled, and some little changes, like default search engine etc |
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| 12:28.38 | clue_h | thank you, it's just that some places say it is way behind, i read the debian wiki as well but etc |
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| 12:29.00 | Nik05 | clue_h what do you mean with way behind?? |
| 12:29.03 | clue_h | works great anyway and stable as expected |
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| 12:29.28 | Nik05 | 28 is in experimental, 24 has longtime support which is in testing |
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| 12:29.55 | Nik05 | and looks like 24 is also in stable |
| 12:30.05 | clue_h | that's the one i use |
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| 12:34.22 | edward | upstream is stored in git, no releases, what do i use for the version number, is there a convension? |
| 12:34.40 | edward | https://github.com/alfredodeza/khuno.vim <-- i'm thinking of packaging this vim script |
| 12:34.49 | Nik05 | edward you can use the date |
| 12:35.18 | edward | like this: 0.2014-03-17 ? |
| 12:35.30 | edward | 0.20140317 even |
| 12:35.41 | Nik05 | khuno-20140317 ? |
| 12:36.20 | edward | that makes sense |
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| 12:36.57 | xreal | Why the heck do I need x11 dependencies when compiling cairo? Debian's packages are getting too big for servers. |
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| 12:37.30 | ectospasm | cairo on a server? |
| 12:37.42 | ectospasm | cairo is an X11 thang, ain't it? |
| 12:37.44 | Nik05 | why would you even need cairo? |
| 12:38.02 | xreal | Nik05: rendering PDFs etc. |
| 12:38.26 | ectospasm | why not just libpdf and friends, or gs? |
| 12:38.29 | themill | xreal: and PDFs need information about fonts and layout. What do you think cairo provides? |
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| 12:38.41 | abrotman | xreal: do you know what cairo is? |
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| 12:39.05 | clue_h | graphics library |
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| 12:39.21 | xreal | themill: last time, I compiled it by hand, I didn't need any x11 dependencies. |
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| 12:39.50 | xreal | themill: it installes all the mesa stuff right now... I don't even have an activated gpu. |
| 12:40.09 | themill | why are you compiling stuff on a server in any case? |
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| 12:40.31 | xreal | themill: it's a dev server. |
| 12:40.51 | themill | and...? |
| 12:41.17 | themill | it's either for development in which case you should expect to need to install libraries for compiling stuff, or it's not. |
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| 12:41.46 | fd_df | hello |
| 12:41.50 | wuffi600 | when trying to boot from a partial LV i get errormessage "Refusing activation of partial LV lvroot. Use --partial to override." and it's dropping to (initramfs)-shell. There i can do a "vgchange -a y --partial", fine. But how can i continue booting? |
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| 13:15.20 | terfy | Hi all. I dont know if this is the right place.. Im looking for a theme editor for fluxbox. Does anyone know a good one ? |
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| 13:21.06 | terfy | anyone ? |
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| 13:21.31 | g00se | Got a dodgy optical drive here and trying to install Wheezy. What's the best way to minimize the impact of bad drive (no usb/net install possible) |
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| 13:22.59 | g00se | The owner won't thank me if i can't sort it out - XP has already been written over ;) |
| 13:23.26 | terfy | bommer ! :-( |
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| 13:25.31 | wols_ | g00se: why is no netinst possible? |
| 13:25.33 | clue_h | g00se, no usb ports? |
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| 13:25.46 | terfy | #flood https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 13:26.02 | terfy | I dont know.. maybe try PXE install ? |
| 13:26.14 | g00se | clue_h: bios too old |
| 13:26.16 | wuffi600 | Namarrgon: just exiting the shell works only if the first disk is the only accessable. if the other disk is the only accessable "superblock is not readable". the two halfs of the mirror seem to differ. why? |
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| 13:26.46 | g00se | wols_: netinst too problematic really |
| 13:26.53 | wols_ | why? |
| 13:26.57 | SirLagz | g00se: why is it too problematic ? |
| 13:27.13 | ompaul | goose ethernet wire deal with it ;-) it just works |
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| 13:27.25 | g00se | e.g. my router doesn't like to say no to dhcp |
| 13:27.40 | clue_h | g00se, use a different router |
| 13:28.02 | wols_ | you do not need a netwokr connection to install debian via netinst. none. but if you use one, you can either use static IPs or dhcp without a problem |
| 13:28.04 | clue_h | or manually enter settings for ip in setup |
| 13:28.43 | terfy | what about trying PXEboot |
| 13:29.01 | SirLagz | g00se: you could kick off a pxe boot with a pxe boot floppy |
| 13:29.24 | wols_ | or use plop for a bootloader, then you can install from a usb stick |
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| 13:29.54 | g00se | Hmm. Never heard of plop |
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| 13:30.34 | terfy | anyone know about a great theme editor for fluxbox ? |
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| 13:31.18 | g00se | wols_: You mean the distro called 'plop'? |
| 13:31.21 | sv2241 | I have mounted on a Ubuntu VM client a NFS share from a NAS server. On the client, I can only read/write from root, not from another Ubuntu account. What am i doing wrong? |
| 13:32.13 | clue_h | what would happen if you installed debian on a hd then moved the hd to a new system |
| 13:32.24 | clue_h | could he do that |
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| 13:33.06 | clue_h | and not use the targeted kernel options |
| 13:33.25 | wols_ | g00se: no the bootmanager called "plop" |
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| 13:33.35 | terfy | buy an used working laptop cheap, install debian !. done. |
| 13:33.44 | g00se | Ah ok |
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| 13:34.18 | wols_ | clue_h: it would work just fine. did that various times |
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| 13:34.47 | pupil | clue_h wols_ what about he device driver?? |
| 13:35.12 | pupil | what if the source machine and the target machine is using different hardware? |
| 13:35.22 | wols_ | pupil: irrelevnt for linux |
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| 13:36.22 | terfy | I'd like to see him change a preinstalled debian to another CPU arcitecture. |
| 13:37.02 | wols_ | define "cpu architecture" |
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| 13:37.38 | terfy | installing debian kernel on a x86 and moving the HDD to another |
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| 13:37.51 | clue_h | so if he moved the hd to an arm platform from intel? |
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| 13:40.21 | g00se | OK. Looks like i might be able to use Plop floppy + installer image on usb |
| 13:40.36 | SirLagz | g00se: how old is this computer ? |
| 13:40.54 | g00se | Out of interest, is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso also live as well as installer? |
| 13:41.00 | terfy | making a bootable USB stick is easy. |
| 13:41.11 | g00se | SirLagz: Well it's got a floppy drive ;) |
| 13:41.33 | clue_h | commadore 64? |
| 13:41.38 | terfy | hah |
| 13:41.39 | g00se | terfy: Not if your bios doesn't support it |
| 13:42.20 | terfy | g00se: Oh. |
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| 13:43.03 | terfy | what about the old floppy install ?.. I remember installing debian from 5 floppy disks many years ago, on a green/black screen laptop. |
| 13:45.29 | terfy | any of you use fluxbox ? |
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| 13:46.10 | clue_h | im on xfce is it like that? |
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| 13:50.13 | terfy | and fluxbox irc channel is kinda dead |
| 13:51.51 | terfy | g00se: found any solutions yet ? |
| 13:52.41 | ectospasm | fluxbox IIRC made it hard to tinker with it in a fast way, not like choosing a theme and seeing how you like it with a few clicks |
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| 13:52.53 | ectospasm | then again I use XMonad on all my Linux machines |
| 13:53.22 | terfy | XMonad. ok I dont know this one.. Im gonna check it out. |
| 13:53.56 | terfy | oh.. its another WM |
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| 13:54.23 | clue_h | I just had a look at XMonad i bet the memory footprint is very low, pretty good. |
| 13:55.15 | clue_h | '1000 lines of haskell' |
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| 13:58.27 | ectospasm | clue_h: the rub is, Haskell |
| 13:58.32 | terfy | I know fluxbox is pretty low too.. its super fast.. I bet XMonad is too... but anyway, I have 2 GB total RAM, and super speed vs another super speed shouldn't be much of a diff !? |
| 13:58.39 | ectospasm | don't do it unless you already know Haskell |
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| 14:08.31 | average | How, my question about offlineimap is that it's a bit slow. Currently I have many different folders and about 5-6 different mailboxes. I also notice a lot of the mails are duplicated on disk(I've made checksums and some of them turned to be duplicated 3-4 times). What could I do to make OfflineIMAP faster ? |
| 14:08.45 | average | s/^How// |
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| 14:09.18 | average | actually it's not a question, just as situation, and trying to improve on it somehow |
| 14:09.32 | ompaul | use thunderbird and the deduplicate plugin |
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| 14:09.52 | average | ompaul: can you expand on that, I'm not sure if I understand |
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| 14:09.58 | average | why should I use thunderbird ? |
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| 14:10.04 | average | aaaaa |
| 14:10.06 | average | I see |
| 14:10.14 | average | but, is that worth it ? I mean.. it's not right ? |
| 14:10.39 | average | because currently I've set up Mutt and OfflineIMAP and MSMTP and Notmuch, I'm not going to drop that and go for Thunderbird |
| 14:10.48 | jaybe | if it wasn't worth it, would it have been mentioned as a viable option? |
| 14:11.10 | jaybe | it's an option, ... a tool, ... to parse duplicates and manage htem. |
| 14:11.28 | justaguy | has just setup a debian mirror and submitted it |
| 14:11.39 | justaguy | oops wrong chan, should be in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:11.51 | average | I'm just a bit reluctant, I would like to continue using OfflineIMAP, so I hope someone else has a different oppinion, that doesn't include dropping my current setup, but instead, modifying it to make it faster |
| 14:12.10 | jaybe | no one said anything, except you, about dropping your 'current setup' |
| 14:12.30 | average | so I can still use thunderbird+offlineimap ? |
| 14:12.32 | ompaul | if imap it doesn't matter what you use to clean it up you want a solution I gave you one - |
| 14:12.38 | average | nice |
| 14:13.10 | jaybe | and if you want speed and manageability, i'd consider a local IMAP store. for example, with dovecot. |
| 14:13.11 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.32 | average | jaybe: you mean hosting my own mail server, right ? |
| 14:13.35 | ompaul | remarks something else in lieu |
| 14:13.38 | jaybe | average, no. i mean what i said. |
| 14:13.55 | average | everyone means what they said |
| 14:14.05 | average | but I don't get it, oh well.. I guess I'll have to read up |
| 14:14.10 | jaybe | dovecot is not a mail server. and i didn't say anything about a mail server. so, no, that's not what i meant. |
| 14:14.27 | ompaul | average: you might want to take on board that people may say exactly what they said - nothing more - nothing less - inferences are your own business - please don't infer anything by this comment either - |
| 14:14.56 | jaybe | ompaul, are you saying there's a football game on and there's bee pass interference?!? |
| 14:15.19 | ompaul | jaybe: good point, but no! |
| 14:15.23 | average | looks up dovecot |
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| 14:15.50 | average | "Dovecot is an open source IMAP and POP3 email server for Linux/UNIX-like systems, written with security primarily in mind" |
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| 14:15.57 | average | so it is an IMAP/POP3 server |
| 14:16.02 | average | now how does it fit into the picture ? |
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| 14:16.40 | ompaul | average: read into the margins what you want to :) you can pull and push and do all sorts of the crazy with imap but generally being somewhat sane with it is useful |
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| 14:16.44 | jaybe | average, i'm not going to say much more about it, as you can hopefully read/comprehend on your own without validation at every step and fact/detail. dovecot is an IMAP server that stores IMAP email, which are then accessible to email clients. |
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| 14:17.57 | kqr | if i accidentally managed to delete my crontab with `crontab -r` (r is awfully close to e!)... is there a way to restore it? |
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| 14:18.08 | average | ompaul jaybe : I'd like to thank you for your answers, I will go and research some more in order to clarify the many things that I don't understand by your proposed solution |
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| 14:18.17 | jaybe | average, i'll add a bit more. dovecot also indexes imap email, which can make searching and accessing very fast. |
| 14:18.21 | xand | kqr: restore from backup (the file is in /var/spool/cron) |
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| 14:19.16 | average | ompaul , jaybe I'll come back with notes from my "journey" |
| 14:19.18 | kqr | xand, can't find my users crontab there |
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| 14:19.50 | xand | kqr: that's because you deleted it. you need to restore it from backup. |
| 14:20.12 | kqr | ah right, i misunderstood what you said |
| 14:20.33 | kqr | my backup routine doesn't cover that directory, so i guess i have to create a new one |
| 14:20.37 | kqr | thanks! |
| 14:20.44 | ompaul | average: no, go and write a blog that is clear leaves nothing out, explains step by step the problem, what you used to solve it that would be more useful :) |
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| 14:21.02 | donpi | Hello everyone! How can I check which graphic driver my PC is using? |
| 14:21.06 | jaybe | ompaul, ++ |
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| 14:21.30 | nkuttler | donpi: grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:21.43 | ompaul | jaybe: I am incrementing already |
| 14:22.09 | jaybe | ompaul, heh excellent |
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| 14:22.20 | average | jaybe: about your remark earlier, I use notmuch for indexing e-mail. I am happy to hear dovecot does that too |
| 14:23.11 | average | I've got a Mutt+OfflineIMAP+MSMTP+Notmuch setup, but it takes quite a lot of tinkering to get it right.. |
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| 14:24.27 | donpi | nkuttler, thx! From the output http://pastebin.com/K1UMGa5d i guess the system is not using xf86-video-ati or fglrx. Am I right? |
| 14:24.31 | jaybe | been there; done that. indeed- fun, but cobbled and delicate and often frustrating. i find a local imap server/store and a gui client i prefer to work perfectly. |
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| 14:25.35 | jaybe | msmtp is fine and works when it's really needed in an environment. but, mutt can speak smtp and can perform tls/ssl these days so i just don't see the point of the pain and complexity and annoyingness. |
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| 14:27.54 | unb00t | I am an idiot and somehow deleted my /usr/bin/ directory during a package update, so now I have no dpkg or apt |
| 14:28.26 | jaybe | unb00t, that's horrible, bordering on hilarious, but not. |
| 14:28.27 | average | jaybe: From my readings, I was led to believe that mutt requires a separate SMTP client(the do-one-thing-and-do-it-awesome UNIX philosophy?). After trying msmtp I concluded that it's easy to set up and offers a certain degree of flexibility. I would have to say that currently I don't find Mutt's configuration very straight-forward although I was able to get what I want with it. |
| 14:28.50 | unb00t | I can login as root into bash shell, and I tried the 7.4 installation media |
| 14:28.58 | average | jaybe: most people setups I've read so far, have pretty much defered pieces of things away from Mutt, and used Mutt just for reading e-mail |
| 14:29.12 | unb00t | But its all deb files; Then I tried unzipping but I dont have unzip anymore either |
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| 14:30.21 | average | jaybe: the reason why I'm using msmtp in this particular case is that I want my passwords encrypted with GnuPG, and MSMTP offers an easy way of running stuff to get the password from GnuPG |
| 14:30.23 | jaybe | average, modern/recent mutt can speak smtp and perform tls/ssl with authentication. msmtp can do it too. shrug. to each their own. i connect directly to my internet mail server to send mail... because... i can. and that's all msmtp is going to do, ultimately, anyway. so why should i waste time configuring something that's going to connect to 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:30.25 | towo` | donpi, your system is using radeon |
| 14:30.47 | themill | unb00t: busybox dpkg-deb -x /path/to/dpkg.deb / |
| 14:31.02 | jaybe | unb00t, /usr/bin is going to have a *lot* of important things, such as wget, curl, etc. you should be able to restore from installation media however. |
| 14:31.09 | towo` | donpi, and that's why xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed, otherwise it would not load radeon |
| 14:31.27 | jaybe | average, that's a good/reasonable point, re: gnupg integration. |
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| 14:32.06 | jaybe | average, ... although... ssh-agent takes care of the same concept/approach if desired. |
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| 14:32.29 | average | jaybe: in which case, openssl should be used for decrypting ? |
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| 14:32.45 | jaybe | average, just different ways of authenticating |
| 14:32.55 | aguitel | are "mate desktop" stable in debian ? |
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| 14:33.36 | average | jaybe: I was thinking of using ssh-agent, as you say. But when I wanted to encrypt my passwords it became a bit of hassle of using OpenSSL and I ran short of patience in trying to do so |
| 14:33.50 | donpi | great, thx so much towo` |
| 14:33.56 | themill | unb00t: then do apt and aptitude; then do all the packages listed by 'aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p ~E' |
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| 14:35.54 | maroloccio | can i see the ttys black on white? |
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| 14:39.49 | g00se | terfy: Trying with netinst cd |
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| 14:58.42 | baos | how do I install firmware from the console during instalation? |
| 14:59.07 | baos | the auto detect feature doesn't work,, so I could just copy it somewhere else, manually type some commands |
| 14:59.44 | wols_ | !tell baos about firmware images |
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| 15:00.35 | baos | already got one of those |
| 15:00.39 | baos | doesn't have my firmware |
| 15:01.11 | baos | I have both a .deb package an a .fw file |
| 15:01.30 | baos | what is the command to manually load it? |
| 15:01.40 | wols_ | the firmware fw file goes into /lib/firmware/ |
| 15:02.06 | wols_ | and then it depends on the firmware/device and when its module gets loaded by the kernel |
| 15:02.12 | aguitel | are "mate desktop" stable in debian ? |
| 15:02.22 | wols_ | aguitel: mate is not in debian |
| 15:02.43 | baos | ok, it's there. how do I load it?\ |
| 15:02.55 | wols_ | baos: is the module that needs it already loaded by the kernel? |
| 15:03.43 | baos | debian live nonfree install image. don't know about modules. it's the ethernet driveer |
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| 15:06.03 | baos | manually up and down the install selections. still can't find itself\ |
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| 15:07.39 | baos | formated the usb stick a couple times as well. so I have no idea why it can't detect. how I wish I could just select it\ |
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| 15:09.18 | Irsis | morning |
| 15:09.30 | Irsis | What doeas $# means on bash? |
| 15:09.37 | Irsis | it' s just an variable with name #? |
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| 15:15.05 | jaybe | Irsis, http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_02.html # Expands to the number of positional parameters in decimal. |
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| 15:20.37 | average | has nftables reached mainstrea/adoption ? |
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| 15:20.45 | average | *mainstream |
| 15:20.49 | sdegutis | Anyone here using Debian on a retina Macbook Pro? |
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| 15:22.57 | cybrNaut | after upgrading to wheezy, the "sign in" button does not work with iceweasel on fatwallet.com |
| 15:23.11 | cybrNaut | at first i thought /noscript/ was disabling it, but the lynx browser logs in just fine (lynx does not support javascript) |
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| 15:23.16 | rmariotti | I'm installing debian 7.4 i386 on a VIA C3 samuel but after the bootloader the screen became black and I can't do nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 15:24.20 | cybrNaut | would someone using the noscript plugin and wheezy please try to sign in? |
| 15:24.33 | cybrNaut | (a fake account will do fine) |
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| 15:29.21 | GJdan | did I hear debian is switching to systemd? :D |
| 15:29.41 | veryape | gjdan: so they say |
| 15:30.01 | GJdan | by next release? |
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| 15:31.22 | average | GJdan: I heard things related to systemd too, but I find it hard to understand the consequences |
| 15:31.31 | average | GJdan: how would it affect things ? |
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| 15:32.05 | GJdan | not sure off hand :\ all the init scripts have to change that's all I know |
| 15:32.25 | GJdan | also depends if they adopt journalctl and netctl, no? |
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| 15:32.44 | sysvalve | hi |
| 15:32.44 | trewas | systemd supports ye olde style init scripts so nothing user-visible _has_ to change, because of systemd being the default |
| 15:32.56 | GJdan | ah cool :D |
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| 15:33.16 | GJdan | though also lame |
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| 15:33.51 | jelly-home | GJdan: you have to decide whether backward compatibility is lame, or backward incompatibility is lame; can't have both |
| 15:34.12 | GJdan | aye, it's cool, what's lame is taking advantage of it :P |
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| 15:43.02 | joj | I want to link to a single uncommon static library using "gcc *snip* -Wl,-Bstatic -luncommonlibrary". I get a linker error that libgcc_s.so cannot be found (it's in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8 on my system). Seems like this directory is not in the default linker search path. What is the Debian way to find this path programmatically in a Makefile? |
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| 15:43.23 | lorr | is anyone here good with troubleshooting audio / alsa problems? I'm having trouble getting hdmi audio going on my new system, and it seems like it might be an alsa problem? hdmi output seems to be the default "card", but i can't get anyh controls for it in alsamixer or xfce4-mixer, just a spdif toggle that doesn't seem to do much but mute. lspci -k and aplay -l outputs here: http://pastebin.com/UGrJkUrx |
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| 15:45.12 | lorr | oh yeah, wheezy, by the way, with backports 3.13 kernel |
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| 15:46.06 | lorr | radeon hdmi audio should be restored in 3.13, right? and just in case, i tried booting with radeon.audio=1 and it didn't make a difference |
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| 16:01.05 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 16:01.05 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 16:01.56 | jhutchins | Hm. There's something about selecting which device in alsa... |
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| 16:09.30 | Irsis | can I get some help with grep? I want to chech if in echo have word which starts with upper first char and some random next to it |
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| 16:10.54 | lorr | jhutchins: thanks. 1) i'm in there. 2) can't because there are no controls for the card in alsamixer. 3) fairly stock wheezy, so no pa installed. 4) yup, tv is on with volume up to a good level 5) nope: "aplay: main:682: audio open error: No such file or directory" 6) fairly stock wheezy |
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| 16:14.55 | joj | Irsis: echo $FOO | grep '\<[A-Z].' |
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| 16:17.21 | joj | Irsis: or grep '^[A-Z].' if you want to match the beginning of a line instead of a word within the line |
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| 16:56.36 | Artej | hi |
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| 17:01.31 | patsToms | Any ideas why this isn't working? echo "Word" | grep -q '[A-Z][a-z]*' || echo "got something" |
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| 17:05.44 | jordanm | patsToms: because it should match, and "go something" is only executed if it doesn't match |
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| 17:06.17 | jordanm | # grep -q '[A-Z][a-z]*' <<< "Word" && echo matched |
| 17:06.27 | jordanm | oh, this isn't #bash |
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| 17:09.47 | AnimalFarmPig | Hi. I'd like to run bcache on wheezy. It's in mainline kernel since 3.10, but wheezy is on 3.2. What would be the most correct way to run a newer kernel? |
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| 17:10.10 | AnimalFarmPig | just download and make-kpkg my own? |
| 17:10.51 | mtn | AnimalFarmPig: backports |
| 17:10.53 | lorr | there are versions of 3.12 and 3.13 versions in wheezy-backports |
| 17:11.01 | lorr | *kernels |
| 17:11.18 | AnimalFarmPig | I'm an idito. Thanks :D |
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| 17:32.39 | Aiena | Is there a channel where I can learn about packaging for debian ? |
| 17:33.20 | Aiena | I am buidling a package for several distro's on opn build service. I am familair with rpm's and have got the package building for fedora and Suse but I need to learn about debs |
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| 17:33.26 | Aiena | *open |
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| 17:37.54 | jerf | Hi everybody |
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| 17:41.55 | cybrNaut | nevermind.. got my answer |
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| 17:43.08 | ompaul | Aiena: maybe this is what you want http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
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| 17:45.47 | Aiena | ompaul thank you so much |
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| 17:47.22 | ompaul | Aiena: you're welcome |
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| 17:48.15 | Aiena | I am not so sure if it is useful at the moment but I will surely go through it. |
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| 17:49.31 | Bronze | Hi, How do i use the network manager to set my eth0 interface to a static IP address? Can't seem to get the dialog in the network settings menu to accept this idea. i can set the value but it won't let me save them |
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| 17:50.53 | petern_ | Bronze, did it prompt for privilege elevation? |
| 17:51.18 | petern_ | Hmm, actually it doesn't for me, but still works. Weird. |
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| 17:52.47 | FlowRiser | Bronze, find the config files for the networkmanager |
| 17:53.35 | FlowRiser | Bronze, they are in /etc/NetworkManager/ |
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| 17:54.35 | FlowRiser | make sure you do not have the dns set to dnsmasq, that is the most common reason setting static ip does not work |
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| 17:54.48 | klrr_ | what group should i add my user to to get usb perfimssions? |
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| 17:55.30 | wols_ | klrr_: I think plugdev |
| 17:55.35 | klrr_ | okey, thanks |
| 17:56.39 | klrr_ | what is the command to add a user to group? neither groupadd or addgroup seem to be available |
| 17:56.56 | wols_ | you are not root |
| 17:57.00 | FlowRiser | adduser #username #group |
| 17:57.23 | wols_ | one needs to be root for this one too, otherwise it's not in path |
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| 17:58.02 | FlowRiser | yes, that is true; Just open a root terminal klrr_ |
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| 17:58.08 | klrr_ | thanks |
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| 17:59.19 | klrr_ | wait, if i use adduser it wont create a new overriding account? |
| 17:59.47 | SynrG | overriding? |
| 18:00.01 | FlowRiser | no, either it will create a new user or (if the user exists) add him to the group |
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| 18:02.10 | klrr_ | i run this "usermod -a plugdev klrr" and it just displays the "--help" info |
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| 18:03.50 | SynrG | incorrect usage |
| 18:04.20 | sysvalve | klrr_: maybe you should read the help info :) |
| 18:04.26 | FlowRiser | yeah, klrr_ read the man page of usermod |
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| 18:04.52 | klrr_ | i forgot the -G |
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| 18:09.43 | sysvalve | klrr_: there you go. Usually when a program tells you to use the --help flag, it's because you got the parameters wrong |
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| 18:12.36 | mowcius | Hey all, I'm getting an error following my OMV install that I can't quite work out - permission issue as far as I can tell but wildly changing file permissions doesn't appear to be fixing the problem |
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| 18:12.56 | mowcius | "exception 'ErrorException' with message 'copy(/etc/openmediavault/config.xml.bak): failed to open stream: Permission denied' in /usr/share/php/openmediavault/config.inc:110 |
| 18:12.56 | mowcius | Stack trace:" |
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| 18:17.58 | mowcius | Doesn't matter, I think I figured it out - gave everyone full permissions and it's working so I'll work back from there |
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| 18:18.49 | SynrG | not a debian package, i assume |
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| 18:21.33 | LordDeath | transmission webui != transmission daemon, right? |
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| 18:25.53 | ScottG | I have a debian install cd here. How do I find out what version it has on it? |
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| 18:27.05 | SynrG | checksum? |
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| 18:27.25 | ScottG | ah here we go, the README.txt has it |
| 18:27.33 | SynrG | ah |
| 18:27.43 | ScottG | looks like it's 5.0.4 lenny |
| 18:27.59 | SynrG | ooold |
| 18:28.00 | ScottG | from 2010...? |
| 18:28.02 | ScottG | yeah srsly |
| 18:28.19 | SynrG | coaster |
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| 18:28.33 | deego | I probably still have potato floppies lying around.. |
| 18:28.42 | ScottG | SynrG: Can I still use this and just upgrade to a new version easily? Or should I just download a new version? |
| 18:29.00 | SynrG | download the new version |
| 18:29.04 | SynrG | faster |
| 18:29.39 | SynrG | you would need two upgrades |
| 18:29.50 | SynrG | you can't skip releases |
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| 18:30.20 | SynrG | download netinst |
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| 18:31.01 | SynrG | !netinst |
| 18:31.04 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 18:31.23 | salah | hey |
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| 18:43.25 | Bronze | FlowRiser: Thanks mate. on it. (woo! it has man pages! ) |
| 18:43.36 | alex88 | hi guys, having multiple interfaces I sometimes get default gateway on eth0 and sometimes on eth1 |
| 18:43.38 | salah | I'm having a problem with my graphical interface. Yesterday, I had upgrader to jessie (sid) version, when I finished installing it and I rebooted the machine, but after rebooting, it prompt me the login (tty1) no graphical interface on tt7, I tried to start it using startx command, but It wouldn't work. I check the log file Xorg.0.log, and it point to a missing driver fglrx (ati proprietary driver) which it was desinstalled durring the upgrade. I ... |
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| 18:43.44 | salah | ... check xorg.cong.d file and remove the config file related 20-fglrx.conf, restarted the machine and the graphical interface is working. However, it's proformances are very poor ( low resolution, very slow, ...). I tried to cearted a config file within xorg.conf.d (20-readon.conf) with manimaux requirment (Device section), but I restarted the machine, it doesn't works again. I would like to know if there an example of xorg.conf file to copy, or ... |
| 18:43.46 | ScottG | SynrG: Thanks. I might have found a newer one. GOnna check the version on this |
| 18:43.47 | alex88 | is there a way to use only eth0 dhcp gateway? |
| 18:43.50 | salah | ... there or configuration files to edit ? I don't wont to use to the proprietary driver (sorry If I worte a lot, I wonted to give as much information about the problem as I can) |
| 18:44.01 | alex88 | so use dhcp for eth1 but only for ip? |
| 18:44.19 | ScottG | SynrG: Jessie from 2013-05-23 |
| 18:45.17 | alex88 | In /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:45.40 | SynrG | ScottG: use wheezy |
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| 18:45.59 | SynrG | jessie is not yet released |
| 18:46.15 | ScottG | SynrG: Is Jessie testing? |
| 18:46.19 | ScottG | Testing is what I want |
| 18:46.19 | SynrG | yes |
| 18:46.39 | SynrG | ok. the installer is an alpha release |
| 18:46.45 | SynrG | may have bugs |
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| 18:47.16 | SynrG | install stable and upgrade if it doesn't work for you |
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| 18:48.13 | SynrG | also see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing support |
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| 18:48.39 | abrotman | !testing installer |
| 18:48.39 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:49.01 | SynrG | abrotman: well … |
| 18:49.08 | ScottG | oh intersting |
| 18:49.13 | abrotman | SynrG: ? |
| 18:49.18 | SynrG | technically there is now a release |
| 18:49.32 | abrotman | SynrG: it's an Alpha, and I'd say the above statement still holds |
| 18:49.43 | SynrG | fair point |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | it may or may not work. If you want to use jessie, install wheezy, then dist-upgrade to jessie |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | I think the current Alpha doesn't evne tell you if you're missing firmware |
| 18:50.24 | SynrG | for some very new hardware it may be easier |
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| 18:50.51 | abrotman | Sure, I understand that. |
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| 19:09.59 | kenro | How can I fix gtkg 1.0.1 deb sid so I can see see search returns? |
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| 19:11.28 | abrotman | kenro: did you look in the BTS? |
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| 19:14.18 | kenro | abrotman, Are you saying, maybe especially wit unstable, assume problems are bugs, not pebkac? |
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| 19:15.31 | centrx | kenro, If a person is using unstable, the user should be advanced enough that PEBKAC errors are unlikely |
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| 19:16.15 | kenro | good point |
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| 19:33.44 | CygniX | it is possible to add something like 'post-up route add 192.168.1.254 dev eth0' to initramfs ? |
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| 19:36.56 | CygniX | trying to setup early ssh with dropbear |
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| 19:37.35 | CygniX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.41 | neo1691 | Hi, I have exported PATH variable by putting 'export PATH=${PATH}:/home/neo1691/bin' in by .bashrc. However if I run this command 'tr '\0' '\n' </proc/$(pidof i3)/environ | grep PATH' I wont see my ~/bin folder in $PATH. Any idea why? |
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| 19:41.45 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Is anyone here familiar with gobi_loader? It just hangs forever when I run it manually (and it gets terminated when it runs automatically and hangs.) I CTRL-Ced the manual run under gdb and have a back-trace but there are almost no debugging symbols. |
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| 19:45.02 | CygniX | Is it possible to add 'post-up route' to initramfs? |
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| 19:48.50 | Pegasus_RPG | http://paste.debian.net/89129/ |
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| 19:49.42 | Pegasus_RPG | So my question is: how can I get it to work? |
| 19:49.53 | Pegasus_RPG | or at least, how can I find out why it's hanging? |
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| 19:56.11 | Chrys0pr1s3 | Hi, I'm running debian wheey and I'm having some problems with gnome. It started yesterday when nautilus changed it's appearance after resuming from standby: http://i.imgbox.com/iJ2J6TVO.png |
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| 19:56.54 | Stoemp | I'm trying to change my swappiness to 0 in Jessie. I understand from forums that swappiness is set in /etc/sysctl.conf but there is no line for swappiness in my file. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=112669&sid=0b18aad5407b58b4c0c5869a0bd3b364&p=534439#p534439 |
| 19:57.06 | Stoemp | Any ideas where to find it? |
| 19:57.11 | centrx | Chrys0pr1s3, Did you lose the window manager, is that the problem? |
| 19:57.33 | Chrys0pr1s3 | centrx: it's still works but it's ugly |
| 19:57.40 | centrx | Stoemp, Probably just add it to the file |
| 19:58.02 | petn-randall | Chrys0pr1s3: Does it persist when you restart? It just looks like you WM crashed. |
| 19:58.10 | petn-randall | *your |
| 19:58.16 | Stoemp | centrx, I've done that. Hopefully it works. :) |
| 19:58.27 | Stoemp | I want hibernation back :) |
| 19:59.01 | Chrys0pr1s3 | petn-randall: thanks for the tip, can't restart right now but that gives me hope |
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| 19:59.41 | Chrys0pr1s3 | the other problem is unrelated: when I uncomment "do not bell on tab-completion" on my inputrc, i can't type the "d" char on gnome-terminal |
| 20:00.50 | petn-randall | Chrys0pr1s3: Probably logging out and in again will be enough, or you could restart it by hand (don't know the details from the top of my head though). |
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| 20:03.28 | Chrys0pr1s3 | petn-randall: service gdm3 restart? |
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| 20:03.54 | ompaul | that's the same as logging out which is cleaner |
| 20:04.08 | petn-randall | Chrys0pr1s3: That would also work, but wouldn't cleanly log you out. |
| 20:04.33 | ompaul | you can in strange and unusual cases by forcing a restart of X kill programs as they try to do things and have bizarre side effects - better to log out correctly |
| 20:04.46 | neo1691 | Hello, I am having problems with the PATH variable, I have exported the PATH variable in the ~/.bashrc file, but somehow the PATH variable is available only when I start a terminal, not system wide. |
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| 20:05.17 | petn-randall | neo1691: The .bashrc in your home dir is only for you, not system-wide. |
| 20:05.48 | neo1691 | petn-randall: Some Idea what does this do -> `tr '\0' '\n' </proc/$(pidof i3)/environ | grep PATH` |
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| 20:06.09 | neo1691 | This is not showing up ~/bin as my PATH, in which I have a script which will be run by i3 |
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| 20:06.35 | neo1691 | and somehow its not working because that command shows a PATH variable which does not have my folder in it |
| 20:06.48 | ompaul | neo1691: system wide set in /etc/profile |
| 20:07.20 | ompaul | neo1691: also having your home folder on the path is an age old BAD IDEA(TM()) |
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| 20:08.10 | Chrys0pr1s3 | logging out solved the problem thanks |
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| 20:08.49 | neo1691 | ompaul: I keep some scripts in my ~/bin folder. Is that not nice? |
| 20:09.04 | ompaul | neo1691: if you want them for you only |
| 20:09.05 | petn-randall | neo1691: That command reads the environment from your i3 process, then changes all binary zeroes for carriage returns, and just spits out the line containing "PATH". |
| 20:09.40 | neo1691 | petn-randall: Yes and that line is showing me a PATH variable in which my ~/bin folder is not there |
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| 20:10.02 | neo1691 | and if I echo $PATH in a terminal the directory is there |
| 20:10.20 | neo1691 | ompaul: Ok! I want them for myself only |
| 20:10.35 | ompaul | neo1691: so if you have test users you don't want to use it |
| 20:10.39 | neo1691 | Will be a good idea to use /home/neo1691/bin in /etc/profile? |
| 20:11.02 | ompaul | no you add ~/bin/ |
| 20:11.12 | ompaul | that way any test users etc have it |
| 20:11.24 | ompaul | now please excuse me I have to do some stuff |
| 20:11.40 | neo1691 | Oh sure, cheers ! |
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| 20:20.08 | neo1691 | I am thinking of switching from bash to zsh, will #!/bin/sh work with zsh for my previous scripts |
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| 20:21.01 | petn-randall | neo1691: If you don't have any bashisms, yes. |
| 20:21.17 | neo1691 | what exactly is bashisms |
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| 20:22.18 | bigterd | anyone know where to find generic ready to boot img files for writing to pen drives? |
| 20:22.23 | bigterd | obviously debian based. |
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| 20:25.01 | nath_ | morning fellows, where do I report bugg, for kernel/driver related stuff (MIDI USB device) ?? |
| 20:25.24 | centrx | bugs.debian.org |
| 20:25.35 | nath_ | centrx: thx :-) |
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| 20:33.57 | rudi_s | neo1691: bashisms are bash-only syntax/functions. If you use #!/bin/sh then it should be a POSIX compatible shell script, not a bash script. |
| 20:34.25 | rudi_s | But your login shell has no effect on scripts at all. So if it worked before, it will after you switch to zsh. |
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| 20:35.21 | rudi_s | /bin/sh can be either bash (default in the past) or dash (new default). If your /bin/sh is still bash, it might fail on some systems or if you change the default. dash e.g. doesn't support [[ ... ]] and requires [ .. ] with slightly different semantics. |
| 20:36.09 | neo1691 | agreed, I have install the zsh shell, looking forward to set it as default! Thanks rudi_s |
| 20:36.45 | rudi_s | Use chsh, np |
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| 20:49.46 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool which lets me watch a remote apt repository for package changes. I don't want to add the repository to my sources.list, but still be notified when a given package changes, e.g. by running the program with cron. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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| 20:50.56 | abrotman | rudi_s: apt-watch ? |
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| 20:52.01 | kenro | Anyone ever have an incident where a shell command was missing from your computer? |
| 20:52.17 | ScottG | I accidentally marked a partition as part of an LVM group because that's how i had it set up before. but then the installer complained that there was no root partition. so then i removed the lvm group but when i try to write the partitioning to disk it says it wasn't to wipe the partitions....i screwd something up |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | a shell command? yes, many times |
| 20:52.45 | kenro | Trying to cmpile gtkg and cannot cd. |
| 20:52.46 | ScottG | I have some data on one of the partitions I don't want to clear. I should have backed it up but I've done this without problems many times before |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | kenro: cannot cd what? |
| 20:53.14 | ScottG | Now when I try to mount the partition it says 'mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | kenro: use a pastebin to show us, paste.debian.net |
| 20:53.33 | rudi_s | abrotman: I don't think so. It seems to be a gnome-wiki, I want a command line solution. And I don't want to perform any updates or update any local package lists. |
| 20:53.35 | ScottG | Is there a way I can recover the information on the partition? It was never cleared so it's still there |
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| 20:53.56 | abrotman | judd: info apt-watch |
| 20:53.58 | judd | Package apt-watch (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: Applet that monitors apt sources for upgrades (transitional package). Version: 0.4.0-2.1; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 29k; Homepage: http://nixnuts.net/apt-watch/ |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | oh .. applet |
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| 20:54.14 | abrotman | rudi_s: well, read the package decription, use clues to find other packages |
| 20:54.16 | kenro | abrotman, I just dl gtkg src and the working dir is denied me. |
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| 20:54.26 | abrotman | kenro: can't help with out a paste |
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| 20:54.53 | kenro | Wouldn't know where to look. |
| 20:55.04 | kenro | error log? |
| 20:55.10 | kenro | dmesg? |
| 20:55.15 | kenro | grr |
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| 20:55.44 | abrotman | kenro: cd <directory> && ls -al <directory> |
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| 20:57.21 | rudi_s | abrotman: I searched for (apt and watch) and for (apt and remote) and found nothing. Any idea what I could look for? |
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| 20:58.10 | doe1097 | guten abend |
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| 20:58.14 | alexandrite | Hello! |
| 20:58.27 | kenro | 89138 |
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| 20:58.49 | abrotman | kenro: is that a secret code? |
| 20:58.56 | abrotman | rudi_s: so maybe it doesn't exist .. |
| 20:59.06 | alexandrite | I'm trying to install the latest Debian alongside my Windows 8.1 installation, but I'm having trouble figuring it out. I did some research and I found out I needed to disable secure boot and I enabled legacy boot |
| 20:59.24 | rudi_s | abrotman: I guess so. But it looks like python-apt can be used to implement that. I'll have a look. Thanks. |
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| 20:59.38 | alexandrite | I managed to boot into the installation and I successfully installed Debian on an empty partition, but I don't know how to boot into it |
| 20:59.59 | kenro | not the right ref? |
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| 21:00.10 | abrotman | kenro: for a URL? |
| 21:00.14 | alexandrite | I checked the boot menu to see if there was anything about Debian in the legacy boot sub-menu but there wasn't.. |
| 21:00.45 | kenro | http://paste.debian.net/89138/ ? |
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| 21:01.09 | rudi_s | alexandrite: You have to install a boot loader and tell it about your installation (should happen by default in Debian's installer.) |
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| 21:01.29 | doe1097 | i have a question and i would be very pleased, if someone could give me a clue: i use a mail-hoster with limited space and i would like to download the mails which are older than a month to archivate them |
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| 21:02.11 | rudi_s | doe1097: getmail can do that for example. It supports downloading to a mailbox/maildir. |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | kenro: I gave you two commands .. only one is there |
| 21:02.55 | abrotman | kenro: you know that gtk-gnutella is already packaged in Debian, right? |
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| 21:03.17 | alexandrite_ | rudi_s: is there a stey-by-step guide somewhere on how to do that? |
| 21:03.43 | doe1097 | rudi_s so is it a server or a kind of daemon-client? |
| 21:03.51 | alexandrite_ | Oh, I forgot to mention but while I was installing, it said "No EFI partition was found" |
| 21:03.55 | rudi_s | doe1097: It's a client. It just downloads. |
| 21:04.03 | kenro | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/89142/ |
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| 21:04.15 | doe1097 | rudi_s: thanks for the hint - i'll get into it |
| 21:04.18 | rudi_s | alexandrite_: Oh, EFI. I've no idea about EFI. - But the Debian Manual should contain the instructions. |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | kenro: still NOT the command I gave you |
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| 21:04.41 | kenro | abrotman, I know that. My search return window is blank. |
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| 21:05.12 | abrotman | kenro: sorry, ls -ld <directory> |
| 21:05.18 | kenro | Did you specically want both as a string? |
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| 21:06.36 | rudi_s | doe1097: It's pretty simple, use a SimplePOP3SSLRetrieber (or IMAP if you use that) and specify the server,username,password and deliver to a Maildir or Mboxrd and tell getmail to delete the mails after some time, e.g. a week. Then it will remove older mails. |
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| 21:07.17 | rudi_s | doe1097: The documentation in /usr/share/doc/getmail4/configuration.txt.gz is pretty straight-forward. |
| 21:07.33 | kenro | http://paste.debian.net/89143/ |
| 21:07.51 | kenro | Wait. |
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| 21:08.06 | Derpadong | I have a atheros wireless card and a netgear router that im trying to connect to with wicd but it wont connect. It see's it but it just doesnt want to connect. Someone help me please. |
| 21:08.15 | kenro | Let me slow a bit... |
| 21:08.58 | kenro | you want ls -ld? |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | kenro: I suspect your user doesn't own the directory |
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| 21:10.48 | ScottG489 | I screwed up partitioning and now one of my partitions is lvm and when I try to mount it I get 'mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'. How can I recover the data on this partition? |
| 21:10.49 | doe1097 | rudi_s: i guess getmail is not what i'm searching for. i have a homeserver and want it to automatically download my mails and it should additionally delete all mails which are >30 days old on the server |
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| 21:11.27 | rudi_s | doe1097: Why not? That's exactly what getmail does. Fetch and optional delete mails. |
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| 21:11.31 | rudi_s | What exactly do you want? |
| 21:11.46 | kenro | perms are screwed up yes |
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| 21:13.14 | kenro | abrotman, I'll pastebin a screenshot? Show you what I'm trying to fix. |
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| 21:14.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:14.53 | kenro | abrotman, btw is ark supposed to change ownership when you de-arch? |
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| 21:16.10 | abrotman | kenro: i have no idea what you're using, but probably depends how you run it |
| 21:16.19 | doe1097 | rudi_s: can i run it as a daemon/service? |
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| 21:17.10 | kenro | abrotman, I got the src tarball as kenro, de-arch with arf as root |
| 21:17.24 | mtn | secret code |
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| 21:18.05 | abrotman | kenro: so don't do it as root |
| 21:18.14 | rudi_s | doe1097: Put it in a crontab with a lockfile? |
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| 21:18.43 | kenro | abrotman, axiomatic now? |
| 21:18.46 | rudi_s | You want to backup/prune a mailbox. Why do you need a daemon/service for that? Run it once a day and be done with it. |
| 21:18.53 | mintgreen | how to get ufs filesystem configured by debian? |
| 21:19.14 | nath | is there any security thread if my MAC address is included in a bug repotr? |
| 21:19.30 | nath | *report |
| 21:19.44 | abrotman | not really |
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| 21:20.07 | nath | but? |
| 21:20.11 | fritsch | no but |
| 21:20.15 | nath | ok |
| 21:20.18 | nath | thx |
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| 21:23.49 | kenro | abrotman, pebkac... familiarity with something, even experience, doesn't entail expertice |
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| 21:32.16 | kenro | Anyway, you may have know, and recalled, archiver changes ownership, but I didn't. Started late in life and was comp-less for a year. |
| 21:33.35 | doe1097 | rudi_s: i have a account and want to have access via imap for notebook, smartphine, tablet,... and one client should get the mails via pop3 and delete all messages which are older than 30 days |
| 21:34.03 | doe1097 | preferable once a month |
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| 21:34.54 | rudi_s | doe1097: Which is exactly what getmail does if you tell it to. Just run it once per day (if you want to always keep exactly 30 days mails) and tell it to delete mails older than one month. |
| 21:34.56 | doe1097 | so i mentioned that i could let my homeserver do this task for me :) |
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| 21:35.17 | rudi_s | doe1097: And why do you think getmail can't do this? |
| 21:36.08 | doe1097 | rudi_s: i understood getmail as normal client like TB or evolution |
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| 21:37.08 | rudi_s | doe1097: Oh sorry. When I said client, I meant it's a POP3/IMAP _client_. I'm only using CLI tools, so I didn't think about the other meanings of client. |
| 21:37.18 | rudi_s | getmail is CLI-based. |
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| 21:37.45 | rudi_s | So you can run it just fine from the server. |
| 21:37.54 | doe1097 | ah :) nice |
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| 21:38.13 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 21:38.15 | doe1097 | via console? |
| 21:38.34 | kenro | abrotman, Forget the screenshot. I'm compiling. |
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| 21:39.15 | doe1097 | probably as it is a CLI.. -.- |
| 21:39.25 | abrotman | kenro: Good to hear |
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| 21:39.48 | kenro | you make joke haha |
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| 21:41.40 | kenro | Would JesusChristVampireHunter(surelongnamebutamazingresults) fit the namespace? |
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| 21:42.04 | abrotman | kenro: I don't know, but such a lovely film |
| 21:43.03 | kenro | Oh? I hear it won the Big Turkey. |
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| 21:43.32 | abrotman | No idea what that is |
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| 21:43.56 | kenro | Golden Turkey Award, lfetime achievement thing. |
| 21:44.28 | abrotman | not helping .. anyway, not really related to Debian |
| 21:44.34 | abrotman | kenro: fit what namesspace? |
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| 21:45.12 | kenro | The space allowed by the server for lient nicks? |
| 21:45.23 | kenro | client nicks |
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| 21:49.20 | sadon | hi |
| 21:49.33 | sadon | how do i change to widescreen? |
| 21:49.34 | sadon | for debian? |
| 21:49.42 | sadon | i cant find it in system settings |
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| 22:00.28 | aleray | hi, what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get? Can I use both? Which one do you recommand and why? I'm using debian wheezy |
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| 22:01.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aleray about why aptitude |
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| 22:02.07 | SynrG | aleray: i don't recommend one. they're both good tools. they just happen to be good at different things. |
| 22:02.40 | SynrG | aleray: so, use both, and pretty soon you'll form your own opinion as to which one you like for which kinds of things. |
| 22:03.23 | aleray | SynrG, abrotman thanks. so no problem to mix both? I usually use aptidue but everyone on the web seems using apt-get |
| 22:03.31 | SynrG | no problem |
| 22:03.36 | aleray | ok thanks |
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| 22:04.00 | SynrG | aptitude is the "clever" package manager. apt-get just does what i want. |
| 22:04.29 | SynrG | aptitude's cleverness takes many different forms. some if it i appreciate, and some, not so much. |
| 22:04.46 | tytan | Is it about dependancys? |
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| 22:05.05 | SynrG | it has a different resolver, yes. and it tries to help you automatically sort out problems. |
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| 22:05.24 | SynrG | try it and see if you like it. it drives me nuts :) |
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| 22:05.39 | SynrG | if i only used stable, i might have a different experience / opinion on that. |
| 22:05.40 | tytan | "apt-get install -f" solves problems too, doesn't it? |
| 22:05.45 | SynrG | yes. |
| 22:05.51 | SynrG | but that's only semi-automatic |
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| 22:06.11 | SynrG | it works only one way. and if it doesn't work the way you want, you need to give it a list of things |
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| 22:12.15 | LinuxAdmin | hi guys |
| 22:12.44 | neo1691 | Is it true that kernel 3.2.4 doesn't have support to utilize all cpu cores? Should I upgrade my kernel from the backports? |
| 22:12.45 | LinuxAdmin | is there any docs about installing juju on debian? |
| 22:12.59 | centrx | neo1691, Where did you get that idea? |
| 22:13.26 | neo1691 | Someone on facebook :P |
| 22:13.37 | Sir_Designer | neo1691 sigh |
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| 22:14.29 | LinuxAdmin | have someone already installed juju on debian? can someone point me to some docs? |
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| 22:15.08 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/juju.html |
| 22:15.13 | abrotman | it's removed .. |
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| 22:16.03 | Aristide | o/ |
| 22:16.34 | neo1691 | Sir_Designer: So thats just a myth! |
| 22:16.57 | Sir_Designer | neo1691 well, that and a dose of chlamydia will get you a relationship.... |
| 22:17.07 | abrotman | neo1691: you're not using 3.2.4 |
| 22:17.14 | neo1691 | Ha Ha! |
| 22:17.24 | abrotman | neo1691: show us 'uname -a' |
| 22:17.35 | neo1691 | abrotman: uname -a says 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:17.48 | abrotman | neo1691: Does tha tlook like 3.2.4 ? |
| 22:18.16 | neo1691 | 3.2.54? or 3.2.0-4! Confused! |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | !kernel abi |
| 22:18.22 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 22:18.53 | neo1691 | Okay!! |
| 22:19.01 | neo1691 | So thats an ABI! |
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| 22:19.42 | neo1691 | I tried using zsh for the first time, failed miserably, unninstalled it soon! Phsst |
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| 22:22.02 | LinuxAdmin | Sir_Designer, on that link says: "This package is not part of any Debian distribution" |
| 22:22.46 | Sir_Designer | indeed it does. and t gives you the tortured recent history of its traveils. |
| 22:23.10 | LinuxAdmin | if I try apt-get install juju-core it can't find the package |
| 22:23.43 | LinuxAdmin | am I missing any repository |
| 22:23.44 | abrotman | LinuxAdmin: Yes, it was removed |
| 22:23.49 | abrotman | it's completely gone from Debian |
| 22:23.50 | Sir_Designer | unless you were to augment your repositiories so that it could find it :) |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: You wouldn't find it in Debian |
| 22:24.14 | Sir_Designer | did I say that? |
| 22:24.24 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: then what would you have LinuxAdmin do? |
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| 22:24.46 | Sir_Designer | hmmm.... if I really wanted it cleanly without breaking my host-on-metal debian.... |
| 22:24.57 | Sir_Designer | I would run another linux virutally and install it there. |
| 22:25.07 | LinuxAdmin | I've seen an amazing video about deploying openstack with juju, it's really exciting |
| 22:25.30 | LinuxAdmin | can I have anything similar? |
| 22:25.39 | LinuxAdmin | perhaps with puppet? |
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| 22:25.47 | abrotman | LinuxAdmin: probably ask the #openstack folks, they might know how to replace that |
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| 22:26.24 | LinuxAdmin | thanks abrotman, I'll ask there |
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| 22:27.22 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin and in case there is no one to ask and you have to have in in 2 hours and it is 2 am on a Sunday morning... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Juju |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | how does that help? |
| 22:27.48 | Sir_Designer | abrotman did I not already say? |
| 22:27.55 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: he asked how to get it running on Debian |
| 22:28.34 | Sir_Designer | abrotman and I suggested NOT running it on Debian DIRECTLY but still running it ...on Debian. as it were. Why are we having this conversation? |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | because you're not being helpful |
| 22:28.55 | centrx | That also makes no sense because if you were going to run it virtually, why would you run virtual Fedora instead of virtual Ubuntu the distro the package comes from |
| 22:29.04 | Sir_Designer | abrotman because you are being unhelpful your own special way? |
| 22:29.11 | abrotman | "How do I get foo running on Debian" "Run it on another OS" |
| 22:29.43 | abrotman | Brilliant .. |
| 22:30.05 | Sir_Designer | centrx I only linked the resource, leaving the decisions to the esteemed LinuxAdmin..... now, I can think off the top of my head of several reasons why not to run in in Ubuntu. But had you followed the link I gave, you would see it points to docs on ....Ubuntu! |
| 22:30.47 | centrx | Fedora doesn't even have a juju package apparently. The link is to a two-year old nearly empty wiki page. |
| 22:31.04 | Sir_Designer | abrotman you know, Debian is a tool, not a religion. I will run whatever on top of Debian if I need to. that does not change me into an unhelpful #debian participant. |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | unhelpful isn't the description I'd use .. |
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| 22:31.34 | Sir_Designer | centrx it happens to work wonderfully as micro-documentation. what else did you want, really? |
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| 22:32.26 | LinuxAdmin | it would be much helpful if the were debian specific |
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| 22:32.41 | Sir_Designer | well, we were. short answer you got, it is not in Debian, on purpose. |
| 22:33.10 | LinuxAdmin | I've already found similar unfo for ubuntu, but I prefer debian |
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| 22:33.44 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin Debian, you may already know, is far more conservative, codebase wise. |
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| 22:34.18 | abrotman | LinuxAdmin: feel free to use /ignore as you see fit .. |
| 22:34.34 | Sir_Designer | abrotman feel free not to be unfriendly |
| 22:34.47 | abrotman | I'm being friendly |
| 22:35.01 | LinuxAdmin | ok, anyway thanks for both for trying to help |
| 22:35.05 | Sir_Designer | yes, in a targeted way. I'll grant you that. :) |
| 22:35.17 | centrx | LinuxAdmin, You are on stable/wheezy? |
| 22:35.24 | abrotman | wonders where his bell went ... |
| 22:35.26 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin memento mori. always use the distro that fits. |
| 22:35.43 | LinuxAdmin | debian 7 |
| 22:36.15 | centrx | LinuxAdmin, You could try compiling juju with the sources from http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/juju |
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| 22:36.57 | LinuxAdmin | perhaps debian it's not the best distro for deploying openstack |
| 22:37.26 | LinuxAdmin | but I had bad experiences with ubuntu grub |
| 22:37.32 | SynrG | certainly you can run whatever you want. helping use "whatever you want" that's not debian is just OT for here, that's all. so to be helpful you could say "if you're interested, join me on #foo where i can help you with running that on Foo-OS" |
| 22:37.44 | abrotman | LinuxAdmin: there is a #debian-openstack on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:37.50 | abrotman | (about 30 people) |
| 22:37.54 | LinuxAdmin | I'll never install it again as a server |
| 22:38.34 | LinuxAdmin | thanks abrotman, I'll ask on that channel |
| 22:38.59 | jelly-home | LinuxAdmin: right, openstack is most definitely better supported with ubuntu |
| 22:39.14 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin at the risk of being ostracized by the local patriots, if I were serious about open stack deployment and did not want it seat of the pants way but in a nice, stable, certified (!) environment, I'd go with http://openstack.redhat.com/Main_Page |
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| 22:40.30 | LinuxAdmin | I want to avoid red hat |
| 22:40.40 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin ok. |
| 22:41.03 | LinuxAdmin | just because it's not free |
| 22:41.51 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin "In just a few short steps, you can transform any machine running Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS, Scientific Linux, or any other Red Hat Enterprise Linux based distribution into an OpenStack powerhouse." Surely f20 is free enough? Granted, the #fedora ppl are even nastier... :/ |
| 22:41.52 | schiz0id | What about CentOS ? |
| 22:41.59 | thekent | greetings debianites :-) |
| 22:42.08 | centrx | Sir_Designer, You must really like Red Hat |
| 22:42.17 | abrotman | notes this is #debian |
| 22:42.19 | Sir_Designer | centrx it works flawlessly in me world. |
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| 22:42.49 | thekent | am looking for some pointers, got a small issue with booting (after installing kernel 3.12 from backports). any takers??? |
| 22:43.05 | LinuxAdmin | I had the same problems with grub on CentOS |
| 22:43.18 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin how much time and RAM do you have? |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | thekent: need more information |
| 22:43.29 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:43.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:43.46 | thekent | ok abrotman. here goes ... |
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| 22:45.22 | LinuxAdmin | Sir_Designer, I've got 4Gb of RAM and a lot of time to experiences |
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| 22:46.04 | Sir_Designer | LinuxAdmin since we (you, actually; I am just trying to get you going) are bing off-topic, I suggest we move it to pm. |
| 22:46.17 | dexterp91 | Hi there, new Debian user here. How likely am I to annoy people with newbie questions? |
| 22:46.20 | thekent | am running wheezy 7.4, it was booting and running ok, until a few weeks ago when i install linux 3.12 from backports. now every time i reboot, i get the message "fsck died with exit status 8" and the boot stops at the maintenance shell login. |
| 22:46.27 | jelly-home | Sir_Designer: or #openstack |
| 22:46.28 | abrotman | dexterp91: won't know til you ask :) |
| 22:46.41 | abrotman | #openstack is a much better place for LinuxAdmin to get help |
| 22:46.57 | abrotman | thekent: what is special about your setup? |
| 22:47.03 | abrotman | thekent: does the old kenrel work? |
| 22:47.19 | LinuxAdmin | ok abrotman, I'll go there. thanks everybody |
| 22:47.34 | thekent | i searched the mail list archives and used google, couldn't find a good hit. |
| 22:48.12 | thekent | well, the old kernel now also drops to the same maintenance shell prompt. |
| 22:48.52 | SynrG | dexterp91: generally we don't eat newbies. bad for digestion. |
| 22:49.19 | abrotman | thekent: and at the maintenance shell, have you tried to run fsck ? |
| 22:49.40 | dexterp91 | So. I understand dependancies, and I understand apt. But what do you do when you try dpkg -I the newest funkiest beta of your favourite software, only to be told that it requires a dependacy. What happens when you go to Install the missing dependancy only to be told you are missing even more of them? How deep does it go? |
| 22:49.52 | thekent | yeah, i log in and run fsck just ok. but next reboot i get the same message. |
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| 22:49.59 | SynrG | dexterp91: yeah. don't do that. |
| 22:50.11 | SynrG | dexterp91: why would you dpkg -i anyway? |
| 22:50.34 | zinx | dexterp91: use aptitude install instead |
| 22:50.52 | zinx | dexterp91: also see: SNS |
| 22:50.58 | SynrG | dexterp91: if your "favourite sotware" isn't offering an apt repo, they are doing their users a huge disservice. |
| 22:51.18 | SynrG | dexterp91: this is a warning sign that you may not get the best support from them :/ |
| 22:51.28 | zinx | but they offer rpm, doesnt everyone use RHEL |
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| 22:51.50 | dexterp91 | I did try aptitude aswell. I'm not sure of the differences but I'll read up. |
| 22:51.56 | SynrG | dexterp91: maybe you could indicate which software you're trying to install, and we can help |
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| 22:52.35 | dexterp91 | The software I was trying to install was scribus 1.5 developmental. |
| 22:52.46 | jelly-home | dexterp91: you "dpkg -i foo.deb", when it fails you "apt-get -f install", if that fails as well you give up and realize the vendor does not support your distro (or at least not the release you have installed) |
| 22:53.00 | SynrG | ,v scribus |
| 22:53.01 | judd | Package: scribus on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.3.13.dfsg~svn20081228-2+b2; wheezy: 1.4.0.dfsg+r17300-1.1; jessie: 1.4.2.dfsg+r18267-1.1; sid: 1.4.2.dfsg+r18267-1.1 |
| 22:53.48 | dexterp91 | So generally it's a bad idea to try and work back installing every dependancy. I did think as much. |
| 22:54.45 | SynrG | dexterp91: so scribus claims the ubuntu ppa is for "Debian/Ubuntu" ... |
| 22:54.57 | SynrG | this is another warning sign |
| 22:55.46 | dexterp91 | I understand that Debian and Ubuntu are nowhere near the same when it comes down to it. |
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| 22:55.50 | SynrG | ah, my mistake. that was a separate link, *not* for debian |
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| 22:56.22 | SynrG | dexterp91: what they support for debian is here: |
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| 22:56.24 | SynrG | http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Debian |
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| 22:56.35 | thekent | abrotman: here's some info from my checkfs log |
| 22:56.36 | SynrG | dexterp91: what they support for ubuntu only is Development packages |
| 22:56.41 | thekent | Log of fsck -C -R -A -a |
| 22:56.41 | thekent | Thu Mar 20 07:10:57 2014 |
| 22:56.41 | thekent | fsck from util-linux 2.20.1 |
| 22:56.41 | thekent | /dev/sdb1: clean, 253/124928 files, 43155/499712 blocks |
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| 22:57.37 | dexterp91 | I came from ubuntu and wanted to get into the thick of it with debian. I wanted something pure & stable. |
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| 22:57.41 | SynrG | dexterp91: i see no indication they support using the ubuntu ppa on debian. |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | thekent: paste.debian.net please |
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| 22:58.05 | thekent | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.06 | SynrG | dexterp91: you could try the source pkg from the ubuntu ppa and build on debian. however, that may or may not require you change the deps to suit debian. |
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| 23:00.19 | dexterp91 | Regardless of where its built. It still requires the same set of dependancies? |
| 23:01.50 | dexterp91 | Changing deps is beyond me, but I feel I've learnt a bit more about what I can and can't do with a debian install. Thank you for the advice :) |
| 23:01.53 | jelly-home | dexterp91: dependencies of binary (.deb) packages may change depending on the build environment |
| 23:01.57 | SynrG | when it's built, the binary deps change |
| 23:02.01 | SynrG | often |
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| 23:03.11 | dexterp91 | Ahh. So building a package for one system can use deps found on the system? Wow. Thats pretty weird. |
| 23:03.19 | thekent | abrotman: here it is http://paste.debian.net/89160 |
| 23:04.06 | dexterp91 | I guess in ubuntu x dependancies are expected while in Debian others are? |
| 23:04.50 | SynrG | dexterp91: a package *should* be built against the libs for that distro. if you get a package built against libs ahead of it, the symbols may have changed ... |
| 23:05.07 | SynrG | dexterp91: so the build won't work. libraries change over time. |
| 23:05.31 | dexterp91 | Makes sense. |
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| 23:05.55 | SynrG | too old can be problematic too, because it may require a library with soname that's no longer in the distro. |
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| 23:07.01 | dexterp91 | Over the next week or so I'll try and build some software where a .deb is not available. I guess I could help by sharing some of those. |
| 23:07.47 | abrotman | Metaleer: see paste above for nick mangling :) |
| 23:08.04 | abrotman | thekent: same each time? |
| 23:08.13 | Metaleer | Heh. |
| 23:08.25 | thekent | yes, same message each reboot. |
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| 23:09.52 | abrotman | thekent: are those the options it said to use? |
| 23:10.00 | SynrG | dexterp91: sure. and if you succeed, the best way to share is to file an RFP or ITP (request for package or intent to package) against the wnpp |
| 23:10.03 | SynrG | !wnpp |
| 23:10.04 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 23:10.11 | thekent | yes |
| 23:10.44 | SynrG | dexterp91: there do exist some -unstable versions of packages in debian (e.g. wine-unstable for one) |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | thekent: try -r instead of -a |
| 23:11.37 | thekent | ok, will try that in a couple of days. thanks abrotman. |
| 23:11.48 | abrotman | thekent: also, maybe leave out the -R |
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| 23:12.28 | thekent | ok. |
| 23:13.09 | dexterp91 | I am aware of the unstable repo. Laughably way more stable than anything in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS |
| 23:13.47 | SynrG | dexterp91: i didn't mean that. |
| 23:14.33 | SynrG | dexterp91: it sometimes happens that users want pre-releases of packages. when there's sufficient demand and it's supportable, sometimes these enter the archive |
| 23:14.38 | SynrG | ,v wine-unstable |
| 23:14.39 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.7.14-4 |
| 23:14.43 | dexterp91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.46 | SynrG | yes |
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| 23:15.14 | SynrG | that being said, they may never achieve migration into testing, as they are pre-release quality ... |
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| 23:15.32 | pupil | hello, good morning |
| 23:15.44 | SynrG | but you might run a testing/unstable mix to be able to use them. |
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| 23:18.08 | dexterp91 | So before I ask this question I'll admit that I haven't googled it. Is there a website that is the place to get debs? Not that I prefer the offline install method. |
| 23:18.44 | SynrG | yeah, the debian archives :) |
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| 23:19.02 | SynrG | really, it is *so* expansive, it's your number one place to go |
| 23:19.19 | pupil | The following NEW packages will be installed: aisleriot{a} alacarte{a} apache2.2-bin{a} argyll{a} at-spi2-core{a} |
| 23:19.21 | SynrG | see http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:19.28 | pupil | what does {a} mean?? |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | auto |
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| 23:21.15 | pupil | abrotman: is what does that "auto" mean, and is there any other kind? |
| 23:21.16 | SynrG | you did not explicitly ask for it. it is remembered as auto-installed. it is subject to auto-removal later if nothing remains installed that depends on it. |
| 23:22.20 | SynrG | pupil: the opposite of auto-installed is manually installed |
| 23:22.41 | dexterp91 | Thank you for all of your help :D |
| 23:22.43 | SynrG | auto-installed packages are installed because they are dependencies of other packages you installed (either manually or auto) |
| 23:23.10 | pupil | when i google about it, i found {u} |
| 23:23.13 | SynrG | dexterp91: no problem. |
| 23:23.19 | pupil | what is that {u}? |
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| 23:25.08 | abrotman | isn't all of this in man aptitude? |
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| 23:25.53 | pupil | thanks abrotman, didn't think it's in there before |
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| 23:27.39 | neilthereildeil1 | hey guys |
| 23:27.46 | neilthereildeil1 | how can i find out which files a package includes? |
| 23:28.27 | nkuttler | neilthereildeil1: dpkg -L, if it's installed |
| 23:28.36 | nkuttler | !tell neilthereildeil1 about search |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell neilthereildeil1 about apt-file |
| 23:29.42 | SynrG | pupil: if not there, it may be in the user manual |
| 23:30.03 | SynrG | install aptitude-doc and see /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
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| 23:33.54 | oriz^ | hi everyone. I am trying to run cdebootstrap to install debian in a chroot environment and am getting a segfault when it starts "P: Extracting libc-bin"- anyone have any experience with this? |
| 23:34.54 | SynrG | why not debootstrap? and no. |
| 23:35.33 | oriz^ | i found a static binary for cdebootstrap i am using |
| 23:36.05 | pupil | thanks SynrG, i can't found it in man aptitude, i'll look in the aptitude-doc |
| 23:36.08 | SynrG | there's a very old bug #494575 about cdebootstrap segfaulting on an incomplete Release file |
| 23:36.09 | oriz^ | is debootstrap better? |
| 23:36.18 | SynrG | it's not better, it's just different. |
| 23:36.27 | SynrG | if one doesn't work for you, use the other? |
| 23:36.33 | SynrG | debootstrap is older, more established. |
| 23:36.59 | oriz^ | sounds good enough to me, i was just hoping it was a quick fix to get this working |
| 23:37.09 | oriz^ | trying to breathe new life into an antiquated boxee with a locked bootloader |
| 23:37.22 | linuxator | when i open web browser first time after turning on the cpmp,i;m asked to log in.how to overcome this? |
| 23:37.39 | SynrG | hmm. cdebootstrap is Priority: optional and debootstrap is Priority: extra, which suggests they have switched |
| 23:37.57 | linuxator | when i open web browser first time after turning on the cpmp,i;m asked to log in.how to deactivate this? |
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| 23:39.02 | oriz^ | SynrG: what command do you think that it's running to extract these packages? i couldnt find any instances of dpkg that it had already installed |
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| 23:39.13 | oriz^ | i was hoping to track down whats causing it to fial |
| 23:39.14 | oriz^ | fail |
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| 23:40.04 | p3rror | hello |
| 23:40.08 | SynrG | oriz^: the whole idea of debootstrap/cdebootstrap is they install a base system "from scratch" |
| 23:40.13 | p3rror | I have a web application |
| 23:40.22 | SynrG | i.e. without depending on other pre-existing debian components, like dpkg |
| 23:40.26 | p3rror | and for load balancing I thought to use DNS round robin |
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| 23:40.41 | p3rror | but the problem is when a server is down |
| 23:40.55 | p3rror | and still has an entry in DNS |
| 23:41.27 | oriz^ | kinda what i was thinking. but it does use wget and md5sum to download the packages. so the program is failing from within? |
| 23:41.28 | SynrG | oriz^: does it look like it might be http://bugs.debian.org/494575 ? |
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| 23:43.04 | oriz^ | SynrG: sorry i dont follow whats going on in that bug |
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| 23:44.20 | SynrG | oriz^: i guess it's possible to *make* a malformed Release file that otherwise would be handled fine by other tools |
| 23:44.28 | SynrG | but in the case of cdebootstrap it fails |
| 23:44.56 | SynrG | but i wouldn't expect that to happen if you're bootstrapping debian |
| 23:45.23 | SynrG | and i wouldn't expect it to die on libc-bin in any case |
| 23:45.27 | CygniX | is there a initramfs channel? |
| 23:45.28 | oriz^ | oooor ill just try debootstrap first. ok thanks for checking into to me ;) |
| 23:45.39 | SynrG | np |
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