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| 00:04.01 | Aristide | Hi ! |
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| 00:04.54 | Aristide | I try to get write and read authorisation in FAT32 partition with FSTAB |
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| 00:06.08 | SynrG | !user accessible ntfs |
| 00:06.09 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 00:06.28 | SynrG | ah, fat32 ... |
| 00:06.34 | SynrG | something similar? :) |
| 00:06.57 | pupil | something wring with fat? :) |
| 00:07.08 | SynrG | actually, normally fat filesystems can be automounted and the user has read/write |
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| 00:07.35 | abrotman | might the mount point perms |
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| 00:09.47 | SynrG | ah, there is a separate factoid: |
| 00:09.50 | SynrG | !vfat rw |
| 00:09.52 | bt6 | For some reason the "1" character isn't showing on my computer. Is there a way to refresh my display/fonts to fix this without restarting the computer? |
| 00:10.05 | SynrG | if i don't typo it :) |
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| 00:10.08 | SynrG | !vfatrw |
| 00:10.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 00:10.40 | SynrG | Aristide: check this out ^^ |
| 00:11.30 | Aristide | Hm . xD |
| 00:11.32 | Aristide | Ok than |
| 00:11.36 | Aristide | thank * |
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| 00:15.41 | xreal | Could anyone try this on Wheezy please? "wget --no-check-certificate https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/raw/develop/virtualenv.py" => I'm getting a TLS error. |
| 00:15.44 | Aristide | Thank its work on my OLINUXINO (debian) <3 |
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| 00:16.11 | centrx | xreal, Works for me |
| 00:16.25 | nick[0] | hey, does anyone here have experience with provisioning LVM2 snapshots? |
| 00:16.45 | xreal | centrx: I'm getting GnuTLS: A TLS warning alert has been received. and SSL connection can't be established. |
| 00:17.06 | xreal | centrx: GNU Wget 1.13.4 |
| 00:17.20 | centrx | xreal, Actually I'm not on wheezy... |
| 00:17.34 | centrx | GNU Wget 1.15 built on linux-gnu. |
| 00:17.54 | centrx | xreal, Is your system all updated? |
| 00:18.00 | xreal | centrx: 1 sec |
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| 00:18.16 | xreal | centrx: yep |
| 00:18.37 | xreal | this one works: https://raw.github.com/pypa/virtualenv/develop/virtualenv.py |
| 00:18.55 | xreal | seems like a WGET bug when redirecting HTTPS links?! |
| 00:19.13 | xreal | let me try cURL |
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| 00:19.49 | centrx | xreal, There is a related bug at bugs.debian.org/wget |
| 00:20.04 | xreal | yep, it's a WGET bug. cURL works |
| 00:20.11 | xreal | centrx: oh, thanks |
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| 00:20.58 | flewp | hi, perhaps not the best place to ask (but I dunno where else to ask) but how can I resize default font of urxvt? |
| 00:21.04 | flewp | also which setting to be exact, I think it's URxvt.font: xft:monaco:size=10 but I want the default to be changed not monaco |
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| 00:22.02 | xreal | centrx: the bug is there since 06 Sep 2012 ... |
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| 00:22.10 | abrotman | flewp: did you try like ctrl-right click ? |
| 00:22.19 | centrx | xreal, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=738625 |
| 00:22.23 | monsune | would you happen to know what tool can i use to organize my knew knowledge? i'm studying some new stuff and i need to write down lots of things and be able to easily access/search tru it and also edit/expand.. simple txt files aren't enough anymore |
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| 00:22.52 | xreal | centrx: fixed in 1.14 |
| 00:23.04 | xreal | needs to backport wget... |
| 00:23.24 | xreal | IMHO, wget is an important tool. This *needs* priority handling. |
| 00:23.38 | monsune | yes it seems quite important :) |
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| 00:23.46 | monsune | and what's actually wrong with the wget? |
| 00:23.52 | flewp | abrotman: it pops up a kind of window which says "Convert Selection" |
| 00:23.52 | SynrG | monsune: there are 'personal wiki' packages ... several different ones |
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| 00:24.09 | xreal | monsune: SSL problems when website is redirected somehow (don't know exactly) |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | flewp: maybe alt or shift? can't recall |
| 00:24.15 | monsune | hm |
| 00:24.33 | monsune | SynrG so you suggest to just use a private wiki for that? |
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| 00:24.49 | monsune | xreal indeed i had that with wget before and never sorted out the issue |
| 00:25.03 | monsune | thought it was a server's fault |
| 00:25.04 | SynrG | monsune: personally i just use a big pile of txt files :) |
| 00:25.11 | SynrG | that, and vim-outliner |
| 00:25.20 | SynrG | *occasionally* some freemind mindmaps |
| 00:25.22 | monsune | SynrG i did so... until i can't even find the right txt file anymore when i need it |
| 00:25.37 | SynrG | that's simply an indexing problem |
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| 00:25.45 | monsune | freemind mindmaps you say |
| 00:26.02 | flewp | abrotman: nope, not even combos of those keys |
| 00:26.07 | monsune | SynrG well i could actually kill for a nice mysql frontend for all this stuff.. and wiki might be it |
| 00:26.29 | monsune | i need to organize links, personal notes, tuts, etc. |
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| 00:26.54 | monsune | i have everyting written down, bookmarked etc.. the problem is that i can't find it when i need it |
| 00:26.56 | SynrG | there are a boatload of wikis in debian. i can't specifically recommend one over the others :/ |
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| 00:28.43 | SynrG | all the cool kids use ikiwiki, though ;) |
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| 00:29.42 | monsune | ikiwiki ;) |
| 00:30.12 | flewp | abrotman: ok, what font would you recommend? I now have this one and it's pretty clear but it's a bit hard to read text to - http://imgur.com/1oubw2t |
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| 00:32.21 | abrotman | font looks fine to me ? |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | maybe just make it larger |
| 00:32.30 | flewp | yeah :p |
| 00:33.05 | flewp | I kind of like the ubuntu one, it's a bit easier for the eyes |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | I have no idea what that might be |
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| 00:38.43 | monsune | SynrG just discovered Scapple |
| 00:38.56 | neilthereildeil1 | hey guys |
| 00:39.09 | neilthereildeil1 | i have a debian machine thats offline |
| 00:39.16 | neilthereildeil1 | how can i install libyajl on it? |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | apt-zip |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | or apt-offline |
| 00:40.09 | neilthereildeil1 | hmm i dont have either of thsoe... |
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| 00:40.21 | abrotman | you use them on computers that have internet |
| 00:40.35 | neilthereildeil1 | can i just download the package on an online computer and copy it via a removeable drive? |
| 00:40.40 | SynrG | maybe |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | you can |
| 00:40.44 | SynrG | it depends |
| 00:40.56 | SynrG | if it has no deps, or deps already installed on the system, that's fine. |
| 00:41.06 | themill | ,depends libyajl2 |
| 00:41.07 | judd | Package libyajl2 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4),multiarch-support. |
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| 00:41.22 | neilthereildeil1 | yea so the offline system was installed from the minimal debian amd64 iso |
| 00:41.23 | SynrG | should be ok |
| 00:42.07 | nick[0] | I have a two spindle, two vg LVM setup. Is it ok to put the snapshot from vg1 on vg2? I'm using an lv on vg2 to hold snapraid parity for an lv on vg1. So, vg1 is read-heavy and vg2 is write-heavy. |
| 00:42.30 | neilthereildeil1 | if i put the debian full installation amd64 DVD into the offline machine, can i somehow install it from there? |
| 00:44.35 | SynrG | again, it depends. which DVD? |
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| 00:45.12 | CarlFK | how do I find what package supplies libfaac? |
| 00:45.13 | SynrG | see http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 00:45.22 | SynrG | ^^ for neilthereildeil1 |
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| 00:45.27 | nick[0] | (oh, I mean provision the snapshot on vg2, when it's an LVM snapshot of vg1) |
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| 00:46.18 | neilthereildeil1 | oh i just installed apt-offline from the connected machine |
| 00:46.21 | SynrG | ,v libfaac0 |
| 00:46.22 | judd | Package: libfaac0 on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 1.28-0.3; jessie/non-free: 1.28-6; sid/non-free: 1.28-6; jessie-multimedia: 1:1.28-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:1.28-dmo3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.28-dmo3 |
| 00:46.24 | CarlFK | I enabled non-free, apt-get update.. but apt-file search libfaac-dev ... nothing |
| 00:46.31 | neilthereildeil1 | now how do i get lib yajl and all its deps? |
| 00:46.32 | CarlFK | judd: thanks |
| 00:46.43 | neilthereildeil1 | root@home:~# apt-offline get libyajl |
| 00:46.43 | neilthereildeil1 | ERROR: File not present. Check path. |
| 00:47.21 | CarlFK | or I guess SynrG.. thanks |
| 00:47.33 | SynrG | CarlFK: yes. judd's just a bot :) |
| 00:47.45 | SynrG | bots need love too, though |
| 00:47.48 | neilthereildeil1 | the ofline machione says i need shared lib libyajl.so.2 |
| 00:47.55 | judd | feels mildly insulated |
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| 00:48.25 | SynrG | hugs judd |
| 00:49.18 | monsune | Scrivener |
| 00:49.21 | neilthereildeil1 | any idea how to download it? |
| 00:49.26 | Joel | is there something like xdialog that comes with debian? |
| 00:49.26 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: what arch, which debian version? |
| 00:49.46 | SynrG | Joel: yes |
| 00:50.18 | neilthereildeil1 | debian-7.4.0-amd64 |
| 00:50.21 | SynrG | Joel: zenity |
| 00:50.56 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: eg: go to packages.debian.org, scroll down, search for libyajl.so.2 for you chosen version, click on the package name, scroll down, select arch, select mirror |
| 00:51.04 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: eg: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/yajl/libyajl2_2.0.4-2_armel.deb |
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| 00:51.32 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: (for wheezy) |
| 00:51.39 | monsune | i recently gave a kfree debian a go... it's amazing |
| 00:52.02 | monsune | and you can even use real PF there :) |
| 00:52.04 | Joel | SynrG, thanks |
| 00:52.21 | SynrG | np |
| 00:52.34 | neilthereildeil1 | nick[0]: thanks. do u know how to do it through apt-offline (incase it pull in deps?) |
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| 00:53.12 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: sorry, I've never used apt-offline. Have you read the manpage and the /usr/share/doc/apt-offline* documentation |
| 00:53.18 | nick[0] | ? |
| 00:53.20 | neilthereildeil1 | yea |
| 00:53.24 | neilthereildeil1 | and i tried the command |
| 00:53.27 | neilthereildeil1 | but it doesnt seem to work |
| 00:53.30 | neilthereildeil1 | it says filenot present |
| 00:53.36 | neilthereildeil1 | maybe im searching for the wrong file? |
| 00:53.41 | neilthereildeil1 | i seached for libyajl |
| 00:53.52 | monsune | SynrG seriously... have a look at Scrivener :) just my 3 cents to that previous subject |
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| 00:54.13 | SynrG | monsune: not in debian, though, right? |
| 00:54.18 | SynrG | i've heard of it |
| 00:54.34 | monsune | SynrG i will try wine and there are some notes on linux version too on their page |
| 00:55.05 | SynrG | if you hate freedom |
| 00:55.21 | SynrG | oops, did i say that out loud? i meant to just think it. |
| 00:55.27 | monsune | ha ha |
| 00:55.42 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: are you using apt-offline to search for the file? |
| 00:55.48 | monsune | haters gonna hate ;) |
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| 00:55.57 | neilthereildeil1 | yea |
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| 00:56.18 | neilthereildeil1 | ok i just took the file u piointed me to |
| 00:56.24 | neilthereildeil1 | how can i install a file on the local disjk? |
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| 00:57.13 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: dpkg -i ./filename |
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| 01:00.46 | neilthereildeil1 | ok i fixed that |
| 01:00.50 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: (if you have a network connected debian system, you can search for a library with its package system instead of the webpage. I'm pretty sure you need to install a package before you can use dpkg to search for what it provides. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/equivalent-of-rpm-qf-command/ and then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Use_apt-offline |
| 01:00.50 | neilthereildeil1 | now xl info doesnt work |
| 01:01.02 | neilthereildeil1 | it seems the xen build process is broken |
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| 01:05.23 | neilthereildeil1 | how do i get libxc to compile? |
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| 01:09.46 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: that depends on a lot of things... Personally I'd be inclined to first try backporting libxc from sid. First try dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxc/libxc_2.0.3-1.dsc && cd libxc* && apt-get install gfortran-dev gfortran && fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
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| 01:10.13 | neilthereildeil1 | nick[0]: it should be in the 4.4 tree, right? |
| 01:10.21 | neilthereildeil1 | im trynna just compile everything i need here |
| 01:10.27 | nick[0] | neilthereildeil1: 4.4 tree? |
| 01:10.31 | neilthereildeil1 | but i need to figure out how to get it to compile |
| 01:10.41 | neilthereildeil1 | oh shoot wrong window |
| 01:10.49 | neilthereildeil1 | sry :) |
| 01:10.58 | nick[0] | np ;-) |
| 01:11.24 | nick[0] | so...does anyone here have experience with LVM? |
| 01:11.52 | SynrG | !anyone |
| 01:11.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:12.10 | neilthereildeil1 | nope, sorry :( |
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| 01:13.00 | frostschutz | nick[0], I think it has to be the same vg, but this is a tias question |
| 01:13.12 | nick[0] | frostschutz: tias? |
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| 01:15.02 | nick[0] | SynrG: scroll up to see my question. Would you prefer that I re-ask? It's ~4 lines long. |
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| 01:17.47 | nick[0] | frostschutz: the logic is that because a snapshot uses hardlinks, and hardlinks cannot cross file-system boundaries, therefor the "hardlink" mechanism in LVM cannot cross vg boundaries? |
| 01:18.11 | SynrG | nick[0]: took me a while to find. if your question is lost in the scoll and an appropriate amount of time has passed, yes, it's appropriate to reask |
| 01:18.26 | SynrG | and no, i don't know the answer :/ |
| 01:19.13 | frostschutz | nick[0], lvm deals with block devices, not file systems. no hardlinks. |
| 01:19.33 | nick[0] | SynrG: Thanks for the clarification. Bummer :-| |
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| 01:20.38 | frostschutz | nick[0], I haven't used snapshots much, it may just as well work - but I just think the whats-where mapping stays in a single vg, so - just try it and see for yourself |
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| 01:22.24 | nick[0] | frostschutz: yeah, I didn't think so either...I think it was an arch-linux doc that said "hard-links". I wonder what they mean... I roughly understand how inodes work, but the block-level is voodoo to me (which is why I've been very resistant to switching to LVM...but now I need to be able to freeze a file-system for backup purposes) |
| 01:23.36 | nick[0] | frostschutz: ok, maybe I'll try making a VG out of a sparse file to test this. I haven't actually converted the second spindle to LVM yet. ;-) |
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| 01:32.56 | nick[0] | frostschutz: ahhh... While dd'ing that sparse file I was reading the tldp snapshots_backup.hml howto, and found that yes, traditional LVM snapshot depend on having unallocated space in the vg that one wishes to snapshot! So, the only way I could do that with a sparse file or second spindle would be to add that device to vg1. |
| 01:33.53 | nick[0] | unfortunately, because of the *voodoo block mapping* some of the data from my lv on vg1 would end up on the that newly allocated space, wouldn't it? |
| 01:34.14 | nick[0] | rather than just the snapshot. Yeah? |
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| 01:43.23 | nick[0] | ah... I finally found the answer in RHEL documentation. "the origin volume must be in the same volume group as the snapshot volume" (LVM Administrator Guide) |
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| 01:54.29 | roboman2444 | ok, so i need to have a very slim debian environment for a pentium mmx processor with 32 megs of ram |
| 01:54.36 | roboman2444 | no ui is needed |
| 01:54.44 | roboman2444 | what is the best way to go about this? |
| 01:54.56 | roboman2444 | oh, but i would like an X environment |
| 01:55.47 | SynrG | install base (deselect desktop) and xorg and a wm after |
| 01:56.21 | SynrG | 32m is tiny … |
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| 01:56.31 | roboman2444 | that installs a BUNCH of crap i dont need |
| 01:56.46 | SynrG | deselect standard |
| 01:56.50 | roboman2444 | Ah thanks |
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| 01:57.04 | crafty1 | I personally like i3 as my window manager |
| 01:57.06 | roboman2444 | i just need enough to get apt working |
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| 01:57.55 | roboman2444 | probably gonna go with dwm if i do decide to install X... but i would need to manually install everything, since i dont want all those random packages for random drivers installed |
| 01:58.03 | roboman2444 | like r128 and radeon |
| 01:58.27 | crafty1 | I used to use dwm i3 is like dwm +1 |
| 01:58.37 | roboman2444 | one thing debian apt isnt good at is installing just enough to work |
| 01:59.05 | SynrG | you can install just the x stuff you need, yes |
| 01:59.18 | SynrG | with apt |
| 01:59.47 | themill | (note that having skipped 'standard task', you'll find yourself manually installing many of those things) |
| 01:59.55 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 02:00.17 | roboman2444 | i just assumed --no-install-recommends or whatever that switch was caused apt to try and get as little as possible |
| 02:00.33 | roboman2444 | but apt still liked to install random crap in there... i DONT need gtk on a server |
| 02:00.52 | themill | it would be easier if you were to show real output and shout less. |
| 02:00.59 | SynrG | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Software/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 02:01.25 | SynrG | that's eeepc-specific but you get the idea |
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| 02:02.27 | roboman2444 | thanks |
| 02:02.47 | SynrG | dated too … |
| 02:03.12 | SynrG | evdev supersedes mouse and kbd |
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| 02:05.04 | ldnblk | hello there, I have modules that I have to load manually on boot up, is there a config file that I can put them in so that they load automatically on start up ? |
| 02:06.20 | SynrG | vbox? should "just work" |
| 02:06.38 | SynrG | there's an init script that does those |
| 02:08.05 | ldnblk | SynG: unfortunately it does not work, I am using 4.3.8 and not the version that came with wheezy which did do it automatically. |
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| 02:09.41 | SynrG | in any case that's supported on #vbox not here |
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| 02:19.21 | CygniX | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.21 | SynrG | update-initramfs -u to restore |
| 02:20.42 | CygniX | SynrG: does not help |
| 02:21.02 | SynrG | error output? |
| 02:21.10 | CygniX | nope |
| 02:21.14 | un214 | touch the file and try again |
| 02:21.31 | SynrG | not your most recent kernel perhaps! |
| 02:21.38 | SynrG | ?* |
| 02:21.58 | un214 | update-initramfs -u won't create it if it doesn't exist |
| 02:22.01 | CygniX | here is how it happened 'update-initramfs -d -k all' |
| 02:22.13 | SynrG | ah |
| 02:22.52 | CygniX | so am i screwed? |
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| 02:23.06 | SynrG | what un214 suggested |
| 02:23.13 | SynrG | touch the file |
| 02:24.36 | CygniX | un214, SynrG thanks |
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| 02:24.52 | ori | hello. the package 'libmemcached10' conflicts with 'libmemcached6', although there is no principled reason for the conflict: they are made up of different files, and can coexist. this has already been fixed upstream by the package maintainer, but for complicated reasons I can't upgrade. How can I install 'libmemcached6' without apt forcing the removal of libmemcached10, and ideally without having the conflict reported to me every time |
| 02:24.52 | ori | I run apt? |
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| 02:25.37 | un214 | use ar to unpack the .dpkg file and do tar -zxf data.tar.gz in / |
| 02:25.56 | un214 | there's gotta be a better way but this will work |
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| 02:26.07 | un214 | assuming they don't actually conflict |
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| 02:26.13 | ori | they don't |
| 02:26.18 | ori | un214: but I actually need to be able to install another package that depends on libmemcached6 |
| 02:26.31 | ori | if i install it in the way you suggest, would apt know that it is installed? |
| 02:26.44 | tycel | I'm having trouble locating the openssl prefix to install a php program called stomp, any chance someone can point me to where apt-get installs it? /, /usr, and /usr/local doesn't work. |
| 02:27.14 | ori | this is the debian bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700091 ("libmemcached10: conflicts with older versions of libmemcached are unnecessary and make backports overly complicated") |
| 02:27.45 | un214 | ori: I have a solution for that too |
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| 02:28.06 | ori | un214: .... :) |
| 02:28.19 | un214 | pull apt-holepunch from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625801 |
| 02:28.48 | un214 | apt-holepunch packagename resolves packagename w/o installing any files |
| 02:28.57 | un214 | I use it to exclude components from metapackages |
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| 02:31.27 | ori | hm. i wonder if there's a similar hack i could do to make apt think that libmemcached10 does not conflict with libmemcached6 (as indeed it does not, and as the upstream package now delcares) |
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| 02:32.41 | un214 | ori: in that case, unpack the .dpkg with ar, edit the metadata, repackage with ar, and install |
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| 02:51.00 | tmberg | Howdy! How do i remove a package that debian consider as "no longer required"? Which is very wrong. https://privatepaste.com/b455ac0758 |
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| 02:53.26 | un214 | apt-get autoremove removes it |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | it tells you |
| 02:53.39 | un214 | apt-get install xxx sets it to remain |
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| 02:55.32 | tmberg | I want to keep it offcourse. |
| 02:56.19 | tmberg | Must be due to the fact that there existed 2 versions of nsd for some time. |
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| 02:56.46 | northerly | Can anyone explain to me what's required in order to enable hardware accelerated video decoding? I have a new low power system I'm going to be using as an HTPC, and while I could care less about 3D performance on it, hardware decoding is essential. It's not something I've really paid attention to before, so I don't know much of anything about it. I've got AMD video, so do I need fglrx to get hardware decoding, or can radeon do |
| 02:57.28 | northerly | libraries, or will everything be good to go with the right driver? (I have Wheezy installed with a backported 3.13 kernel) |
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| 03:00.31 | ice9 | Debian installer didn't recognize my hdd that is encrypted with Ubuntu! |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | the HDD or the partitions? |
| 03:01.30 | ice9 | the partitions, right |
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| 03:12.09 | jetscreamer | northerly: try asking in #radeon maybe |
| 03:12.23 | jetscreamer | knows nothing |
| 03:13.09 | northerly | ok, thanks |
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| 03:15.58 | northerly | bleh, can't talk in there. maybe requires registration, though it doesn't say it... if anyone happens to know in here, i'd appreciate if they could still answer. seems like something that a lot of people would already know about? |
| 03:16.40 | jetscreamer | yeah they do i'm sure, i'm nvidia so... |
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| 03:18.00 | northerly | i'm sure it' s pretty different, but do you know how to enable it with an nvidia card? is it just the proper driver, or do you need to pull in or set up extra stuff manually? |
| 03:18.20 | jetscreamer | the noveau just works it seems |
| 03:18.46 | northerly | do you know if you have any vdpau stuff installed? |
| 03:18.47 | jetscreamer | i used to do the proprietary all the time, but no need, works out of the box |
| 03:19.11 | jetscreamer | no i don't and that box isn't running atm |
| 03:19.12 | northerly | and you're confident it's using hardware acceleration? |
| 03:19.18 | jetscreamer | yeah i know it is |
| 03:19.29 | northerly | ok, nice |
| 03:20.11 | northerly | mine isn't, out of the box, with radeon |
| 03:20.12 | jetscreamer | the difference between the nv and the noveau is readily apparent |
| 03:20.30 | jetscreamer | you may need fglrx i have no idea |
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| 03:21.13 | northerly | I really prefer sticking to open drivers when I can, but for this machine to be at all functional, it needs hardware acceleration |
| 03:22.48 | northerly | and even if i just installed fglrx, i don't know if that's all that's necessary, so i'd rather know what's involved, if i even need fglrx, etc |
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| 03:25.26 | northerly | ooh, #xbmc. maybe that will be a good place to ask |
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| 03:28.52 | Aeiri | i just installed debian raw on a nvidia laptop that is kind of old.. nouveau didnt work at all, adding "contrib non-free" to sources and installing nvidia-driver, running nvidia-xconfig, everything worked just fine |
| 03:29.30 | Aeiri | northerly: fglrx i think is in non-free too but i could be wrong... ive avoided ATI cards for a long time due to their horrible drivers in the past |
| 03:30.51 | northerly | yeah, it's non-free. and yeah, i'd prefer the free drivers. apparently radeon is really starting to make some progress towards catching up to fglrx, too. Some, anyway. |
| 03:31.25 | northerly | and do you think you got hardward acceleration witn nvidia-driver that you weren't getting with nouveau, or just better general performance? |
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| 03:38.47 | bicgena | My laptop display no longer goes to to sleep despite having it set to go to sleep about after 5 minutes of inactivity in GNOME power manager. May someone please help me troubleshoot this issue? |
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| 03:49.19 | MaDpOpPeT | ummm bicgena |
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| 03:49.32 | MaDpOpPeT | isn't that a gnome issue and did it actually ever work |
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| 03:52.04 | qtbchin | has anyone used ddrescue? How can I focus it to rescue only the first 100GB out of a 650GB damaged HD? I already have made the first pass through the whole hd saved to an IMG file but not it is splitting blocks and trying to rescue data at 500gb.. waste of time |
| 03:52.42 | qtbchin | ..but now** it is splitting blocks... |
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| 03:55.54 | northerly | qtbchin: looks like --size : https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html |
| 03:56.22 | northerly | assuming you do actually mean gddrescue or whatever the package is for the gnu version |
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| 03:58.15 | qtbchin | northerly: i must have looked at that manual at least 6 times and still missed this. you're golden, thank you! |
| 03:58.38 | qtbchin | ill give it a try right now |
| 03:58.39 | styler_ | i am trying to run debian-cd i get this error- which_deb: can't find binary file(s) for debootstrap in wheezy any ideas? |
| 03:58.52 | northerly | no problem, good luck with the recovery |
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| 04:01.01 | qtbchin | thanks, first time trying it on a pogoplug with archlinux. im a newbie to linux in general, so it's been interesting so far |
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| 04:02.10 | northerly | yeah, there's always SOMETHING to learn :) |
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| 04:45.29 | northerly | Does anyone know how to enable hardware accelerated video decoding with AMD graphics? |
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| 04:47.20 | DrakkenWarr | northerly, there are packages for AMD that are complied for linux akin the ATi Cataylst Control Center. I would start with a web search for your card and drivers |
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| 04:48.46 | northerly | DrakkenWarr: So do I need to use fglrx to get hardware acceleration, radeon can't do it? And do you know if anything else is necessary, or just switching the driver? Do I need to manually install any other libs or intermediaries? |
| 04:51.00 | DrakkenWarr | fglrx will give you baseline acceleration I do know that. Aside from that. I know AMD has a precompiled linux software suite for most cards that are a year-ish old. |
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| 04:51.20 | DrakkenWarr | It takes a bit of digging, but it is there. I have run both AMD and ATi cards in recent years |
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| 04:51.34 | roboman2444 | heh |
| 04:51.50 | roboman2444 | i dont have enough memory to load the 3.13-1-686 pae initrd |
| 04:52.11 | roboman2444 | (trying to load this on a pentium mmx with 32mb of ram) |
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| 04:52.33 | DrakkenWarr | holy hell man! that is an old computer |
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| 04:52.58 | roboman2444 | yeup |
| 04:53.03 | roboman2444 | trying to do it for kicks |
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| 04:53.23 | roboman2444 | anyway, does anyone have a link to a pentium mmx compat vmlinuz and initrd? |
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| 04:53.25 | DrakkenWarr | that's awesome |
| 04:53.30 | northerly | DrakkenWarr: Ok, thanks. I'll try looking into that, too. |
| 04:54.08 | DrakkenWarr | nw northerly. Like I said, I have done both recently and it's pretty easy once you find what you need. It can be a bit frustrating at first |
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| 04:56.04 | northerly | i've been googling the hell out of it, and am really not getting anywhere aside from learning a bunch of new acronyms (VAAPI, VDPAU, libva, XVBA.......and still not knowing what to do with them :/ |
| 04:57.09 | DrakkenWarr | http://support.amd.com/en-us/download |
| 04:57.11 | DrakkenWarr | have you tried here? |
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| 05:00.41 | northerly | i did see that, but it was unclear to me if the proprietary driver enables hardware decoding in and of itself, or if it needs other things in place. and maybe if it needs other things in place, my radeon driver could also do it if i figure out what else needs to be there. (i'd rather stick with the free driver, and 3d performance, etc is unimportant to me, really just accelerating videos for this machine) |
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| 05:02.16 | DrakkenWarr | If you want to stick to free when it comes to acceleration? Good luck. Know what card you have, pull the driver stack the GUI interface that comes with it and be done. |
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| 05:03.55 | northerly | yeah, there's probably something to that, as long is it does get me acceleration. thanks for the advice |
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| 05:04.33 | DrakkenWarr | no worries man. I can commend the want for pure open. but when it comes to video? Atm? you are not going to get it. |
| 05:04.40 | DrakkenWarr | Running a blended system is your best bet for now |
| 05:05.04 | northerly | alright |
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| 05:19.24 | linux_ | wow |
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| 05:20.02 | linux_ | any fluxbox or lxde users here? |
| 05:20.31 | roboman2444 | lxde here |
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| 05:20.55 | linux_ | I just a fresh base intall on a powerpc and am now trying to get lxde or fluxbox up and running |
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| 05:22.27 | linux_ | roboman2444: I am used to the 'buntu' versions (mint), so this is a different way of setting up |
| 05:23.03 | roboman2444 | apt-get install xserver-xorg slim lxde |
| 05:23.06 | roboman2444 | should do the trick |
| 05:23.55 | peterrooney | linux_: what did you try, and what result did you get different from your expectation? |
| 05:24.31 | linux_ | roboman2444: I am in the process now of installing a full lxde - I hope, lots of downloading going on. |
| 05:24.39 | dcmg | linux_: # apt-get install fluxbox xorg alsa then as normal user: $ startx |
| 05:24.49 | dcmg | probably should # alsactl init |
| 05:25.53 | linux_ | dcmg: whish I had found you earlier. PowerPCs also have their own unique set of quirks to deal with as well. |
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| 05:26.13 | dcmg | linux_: yeah i stopped hanging out here a long time ago |
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| 05:26.26 | dcmg | but decided to pop in for a bit |
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| 05:26.34 | themill | you might want to just install the task-lxde-desktop package |
| 05:27.03 | linux_ | peterrooney: I am used to the mint versions, where you download the full ISO and go, though I also use bodhilinux (based on enlightenment) so its not so full, |
| 05:27.05 | Sir_Designer | abrotman btw, you know how much help our LinuxAdmin got on #openstack? |
| 05:27.25 | linux_ | themill: what is the task-lxde-desktop? |
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| 05:28.56 | themill | ,i task-lxde-desktop |
| 05:28.58 | judd | Package task-lxde-desktop (tasks, optional) in wheezy/i386: LXDE desktop environment. Version: 3.14.1; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 21k |
| 05:29.12 | themill | linux_: all packages have a description. apt-cache show $package |
| 05:30.02 | linux_ | well, I seem to be doing absolutely everything backwards today.... |
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| 05:32.17 | linux_ | themill: that might be a tad heavy for an old iMac G4 with libreoffice .... |
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| 05:33.43 | centrx | linux_, Don't use the task metapackage then |
| 05:33.48 | centrx | linux_, Or use openbox instead of LXDE entirely |
| 05:35.23 | linux_ | centrx: you sound just like someone I talked to earlier.... hmmmm.. |
| 05:36.05 | linux_ | done with my download, time to test. |
| 05:36.16 | linux_ | Thanks for all the great suggestions |
| 05:36.19 | linux_ | exit |
| 05:36.23 | roboman2444 | reboot |
| 05:36.29 | roboman2444 | slim should show up |
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| 05:51.22 | shawnbon206 | slim rom? |
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| 05:52.52 | toastydeath | hey, does anyone know of a guide or list of best practices for provisioning servers quickly - I'm aware of chef/puppet/etc, but I am also vaguely aware of using things like aufs to do automated deployments |
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| 05:57.40 | toastydeath | the problem I keep running into is I find a lot of references for using pxe/aufs/all kinds of other approaches |
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| 05:57.59 | toastydeath | but nobody seems to have written their approach up in depth, just vague hand waving |
| 05:58.22 | shawnbon206 | thats linux |
| 05:58.26 | shawnbon206 | ^^ |
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| 05:58.57 | Sir_Designer | toastydeath I am sure people who got it to happen for real are behind corporate intranets or erm in smart school district central offices. :) |
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| 05:59.41 | subscope | . |
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| 06:03.15 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, what's the purpose of the servers? Serve web traffic (e.g. Apache), or something else? |
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| 06:04.08 | toastydeath | genralized hosted vm environment, a lot of it is web traffic but not all |
| 06:04.43 | toastydeath | *generalized |
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| 06:05.35 | toastydeath | currently most of the servers are windows machines running whatever it is, with long-ish lead times and growing maintanance costs |
| 06:05.43 | toastydeath | ~200ish vms |
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| 06:06.31 | toastydeath | focusing on the web stack is fine because that's a lot of the business |
| 06:06.32 | bullgard4 | What is the most often used hex editor that Wheezy offers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_hex_editors |
| 06:06.51 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, I'd look at something like this: https://library.linode.com/beginners-guide and this: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles?filter=popular |
| 06:06.55 | wols | !tell bullgard4 about popcon |
| 06:07.39 | toastydeath | ArtVandalae, not really what i'm looking for - i'm the linux guy in the shop |
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| 06:08.00 | toastydeath | what i'm trying to figure out are best practices for rapidly provisioning new servers |
| 06:08.06 | toastydeath | based on a standard template |
| 06:08.32 | toastydeath | should i be really looking for something like chef/puppet and ignoring other options |
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| 06:09.35 | wols | you still want pxe, to easily boot from. it's not a "provisioning" tool |
| 06:09.47 | toastydeath | some of our customers have throughput problems where they've got four VMs and because their software is stupid, can't handle more than 20 connections or whatever - so I'd like to be able to handle a situation where I can set up a new customer rapidly with a new VM environment, and then also accomodate customers who need another 4-8 vms |
| 06:09.59 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, ah okay. So, are you looking for a guide on how to do: PXE (cobbler) -> CMS (Puppet/Chef/Ansible/Salt), or are you more looking for a TODO list of things you should do: e.g. 1. lock down iptables, 2. install these packages 3. create these users, etc. |
| 06:10.04 | toastydeath | and i don't know what the best practices are in that space |
| 06:10.37 | toastydeath | the former - looking at _potentially_ pxe and definitely some form of cms |
| 06:11.22 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, ah okay. I'm employed in this space. I use PXE -> Ansible. I use cobbler for both Debian machines (preseed) and Red Hat (kickstarter). Then I preconfigure the machines to a "standard" using Ansible. I have recipes for these things if you're interested |
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| 06:12.20 | toastydeath | no, that's useful enough on its own |
| 06:12.40 | toastydeath | configuration doesn't bother me, but not having a plan i know is sound going into it is what holds me back |
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| 06:13.30 | toastydeath | what do you like about ansible vs others |
| 06:13.56 | ArtVandalae | Ansible is clientless. i.e. you don't need anything on the client machine, other than a way to SSH in |
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| 06:15.11 | toastydeath | awesome |
| 06:15.41 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, it's pretty simple to learn Ansible too. Plus people are sharing "recipes" on Ansible galaxy: https://galaxy.ansible.com/ |
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| 06:16.28 | ArtVandalae | One thing to note: Debian (stable) doesn't have cobbler (PXE server) in its repos. While PXE isn't "hard", it can be a pain in the ass. So I recommend using cobbler. Have a look at Ubuntu or CentOS/RHEL for cobbler server. |
| 06:16.47 | toastydeath | i've set up pxe in a windows environment before |
| 06:16.54 | toastydeath | in a shop that ran netware |
| 06:17.05 | ArtVandalae | ah alright. So you shouldn't hopefully have too much trouble then :) |
| 06:17.34 | toastydeath | my major concern is that I have a lot of things to check off and do that I've never done before, so having simple tools is nice |
| 06:17.39 | toastydeath | never set up kerberos/ldap on linux before, etc |
| 06:17.52 | toastydeath | that's not entirely true, i installed ldap once but that was it |
| 06:18.03 | ArtVandalae | toastydeath, do you have a kerb/ldap server, e.g. ActiveDirectory? Or are you looking to set that up from scratch too? |
| 06:18.13 | toastydeath | trying to not use anything windows |
| 06:18.24 | ArtVandalae | For Kerb/LDAP, I recommend you have a look at freeipa.org |
| 06:18.48 | toastydeath | we do have tons of domain controllers but I don't want to connect this environment to the other one |
| 06:18.51 | ArtVandalae | Very simple to install and use. Unfortunately it's not in the Debian repos. You'll have to go to CentOS land for that. |
| 06:19.17 | ArtVandalae | (however you can set up Debian/Ubuntu as clients to FreeIPA, pretty easily) |
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| 06:20.00 | toastydeath | I could be shooting myself in the foot but i'm a lot more comfortable building and configuring a set of tools on debian than i am using redhat |
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| 06:20.20 | toastydeath | mostly because i never use redhat for anything and it's just different enough that it's a pain in the ass |
| 06:20.51 | ArtVandalae | yeah, Debian is great. Unfortunately Corporate shops love, love, love Red Hat |
| 06:20.57 | toastydeath | for sure |
| 06:21.01 | Aeiri | ArtVandalae: what are the benefits of using ansible over just writing your own scripts? |
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| 06:21.23 | toastydeath | i'm getting sent to redhat training, but i am partial to debian for purely philosophical reasons |
| 06:21.33 | shawnbon206 | i use both |
| 06:21.53 | shawnbon206 | i dont have a favorite |
| 06:21.55 | Aeiri | i use both too |
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| 06:22.44 | shawnbon206 | i use debian or fbsd on my servers and fedora on my workstation |
| 06:22.50 | ArtVandalae | Aeiri, just a higher level of abstraction. You can say: - user: name=bob , and that'll create a user on Debian, CentOS, *BSD, etc. Whereas with scripts you have to worry about all the logic |
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| 06:23.08 | shawnbon206 | i guess i have more installs of fbsd tho |
| 06:23.23 | Aeiri | ArtVandalae: isnt that what LDAP is for? |
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| 06:24.37 | ArtVandalae | Aeiri, the user management was just an example :) Ansible provides modules for a lot of things: http://docs.ansible.com/modules_by_category.html |
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| 06:28.43 | foober | I'm trying to build something in C which uses malloc(), when I run the make I get the message "/usr/bin/ld: ../logging/logging.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `malloc@@GLIBC_2.2.5' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC"; strange thing is when I try to build a hello-world thing that just mallocs and frees, it works with a warning |
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| 06:29.22 | foober | could it be I have the wrong compiler? |
| 06:29.58 | shawnbon206 | yay |
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| 06:35.51 | ArtVandalae | foober, what flags are you compiling with? Paste in pastebin |
| 06:36.21 | foober | there are so many.... |
| 06:37.04 | foober | what if the thing I'm compiling says it wants to be compiled 32bit and the compilers are 64? |
| 06:37.38 | foober | how can I tell if my compliers are 32 or 64? |
| 06:38.32 | foober | well singular, compiler, I guess... I don';t think I have g++ installed |
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| 06:43.32 | MaDpOpPeT | hello is anyone using openbox in debain is is stable... I had some run ins with previously |
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| 06:49.02 | centrx | Yes |
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| 07:03.58 | foober | ArtVandalae, http://pastie.org/8960611 |
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| 07:08.19 | afsal | help |
| 07:08.20 | afsal | how to use Indian language in terminal |
| 07:09.20 | nkn__ | Hey guys, How can I get the same lintian warnings which are showing in the mentors.debian.net? When I run lintian locally, it shows few of them but not all of them which mentors.debian.net shows. Any idea what lintian command that they are using? |
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| 07:10.09 | nkn__ | afsal, there is a bug in VTE which hasn't fixed yet. So proper support on terminal is not yet done. I guess KDEs terminal has support though.. |
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| 07:10.14 | foober | maybe there are parameters that mentors uses |
| 07:11.02 | nkn__ | foober, yeah. any idea how to get those? so it is easy to run locally and fix everything at one shot rather than uploading each time |
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| 07:11.31 | foober | you'd have to ask them what they use |
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| 07:25.36 | afsal | dpkg vte |
| 07:25.36 | dpkg | afsal: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:26.29 | xbr3031 | do all machines need to have swap, regardless of how much RAM you have? |
| 07:29.16 | OpenTokix | xbr3031: no, but it is recommended |
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| 07:30.52 | wols | !tell afsal about locale |
| 07:31.33 | afsal | wols: what? |
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| 07:33.45 | wols | afsal: dpkg sent you a message, please read it |
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| 07:37.36 | afsal | wols: ok :) |
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| 07:39.44 | c0n | after a recent dist-upgrade on debian testing, my mate desktop tries to assume two interface themes at once |
| 07:39.47 | afsal | which is the best email client software |
| 07:39.47 | c0n | Oo |
| 07:40.02 | c0n | trying to switch every milli second |
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| 07:42.48 | wols | !tell afsal about best |
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| 07:45.04 | afsal | ok sorry, then which email client will you prefer |
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| 07:46.05 | Aeiri | afsal: you ask as if you are designing your desktop for our use... are we getting VNC access or something? :D |
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| 07:46.46 | afsal | ok : |
| 07:47.32 | afsal | why showing 'Unavailable' under my username? |
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| 07:51.53 | WormFood | this has got to be one of the oddest problems I've encountered in a while. I decided to hibernate my system, because I needed to turn it off, to work on the UPS, and now that I've resumed, it has somehow decided to remount the root file system as read only, and it won't let me remount it as read/write....anyone have any ideas what the hell is going on and how to fix it? |
| 07:54.45 | wols | typically this happens if you have errors in your filesystem. run fsck on it |
| 07:55.07 | nkn__ | afsal, I use thunderbird happily |
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| 07:55.45 | nkn__ | foober, Figured it out. Need to set the profile. I am on Ubuntu. So by default it picks up Ubuntu. Need to explicitly say the profile to be Debian |
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| 08:39.45 | DigiDaz | Good morning all. I'm trying to achieve the followin and hope someone can help. I'm currently running debian headless on an arm device. The image is stored on an SD card. The first partition is /boot and is fat, the second partition is ext4. I would like to somehow have /etc/network/interfaces read another file like for example /boot/ip.txt that can contain the IP, subnet mask etc. How is the best way to achieve this? |
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| 08:44.05 | wols | DigiDaz: use a script. you can call scripts from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:44.10 | ArtVandalae | DigiDaz, what are you trying to do? The easiest way to do it, would probably be write a shell script |
| 08:44.14 | wols | DigiDaz: pre-up.d and the like |
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| 08:45.47 | DigiDaz | Thanks for the answers, I'm writing the image to an SD card, its for a headless PBX so the first partition is readable in windows via the same card reader the image is written in. I want users to be able to edit the file with their network information. |
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| 08:47.50 | DigiDaz | I did see something for ubuntu where you could add a line "source /boot/ip.txt" that would include the file but that doesn't seem to work in Debian. Looks like I need to Google around pre-up.d then. Thanks! |
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| 09:04.51 | touki | Hi guys. Trying tu use vnc with multiple users on a debian server. From the vnc client I only have the gnome for the :1 session not for the rest. Any idea? Should I start gnome for every user linked to every session ? |
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| 09:07.13 | dutchfish | touki, as far as i know, vnserver needs a line like this VNCSERVERS="1:vncuser1 2:vncuser2 3:vncuser3" iow one for every user |
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| 09:08.38 | DigiDaz | wols and ArtVandalae, thanks guys, working perfectly! |
| 09:08.45 | touki | dutchfish: in fact i'm able to connect through the session, mouse is working not keyboard and I have no gnome session on it. |
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| 09:10.12 | dutchfish | touki, no idea, but maybe check this link out, specially in regards to stuff like iptables and the setup part http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-101-easy-vnc-server-setup/ |
| 09:11.31 | touki | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 09:15.38 | artifex93 | Guys what happened to the 'xinstallerx' live cd installer? I see a lot of links but none of them are valid anymore. I'd like install my live cd to system and that seemed like an easy enough way. |
| 09:17.02 | dutchfish | artifex93, https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 09:18.41 | dutchfish | artifex93, also http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 09:24.34 | dutchfish | artifex93, rem xinstallerx was never part of debian but some private repo back then for lenny http://nrvwebsolutions.com/repos/xinstallerx/debian/ it doesnt seam to excist anymore |
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| 09:27.10 | dutchfish | artifex93, but you could go (not recomended) the dbootstrap route from live cd |
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| 09:32.08 | artifex93 | livebuild was giving some problems, so I made a live cd using debootstrat and squashfs. I just wanted to know if there was an easy enough way to install the live cd. So live build is the only safe option huh |
| 09:32.28 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 09:32.33 | dutchfish | !live |
| 09:32.34 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 09:33.10 | artifex93 | Thanks a lot dutchfish |
| 09:33.16 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 09:36.18 | dutchfish | artifex93, oh one more thing, if you still encounter problems building your own, ask #debian-live |
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| 09:37.11 | artifex93 | no one seems to be there |
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| 09:37.47 | dutchfish | you have to have a bit of patience, next best thing, ask it in the mailinglist |
| 09:38.26 | dutchfish | good luck |
| 09:39.23 | artifex93 | hey np, Thanks for you help! |
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| 09:39.52 | dutchfish | just for the record its #debian-live at OFTC |
| 09:40.12 | bullgard4 | What is the file ~/.environment for? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/02/msg00767.html |
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| 09:42.44 | dutchfish | bullgard4, apt-file search '.environment' |
| 09:43.10 | dutchfish | bullgard4, some packages use it |
| 09:43.29 | tremon | bullgard4: have you read the mail that your link is a reply to? |
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| 09:46.07 | babilen | bullgard4: What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:47.05 | bullgard4 | babilen: I am trying to help a guy in another channel. |
| 09:47.17 | bullgard4 | tremon: yes. |
| 09:48.36 | babilen | bullgard4: Then please do that. This isn't second level support. Please also keep in mind that people here are volunteers and that the general idea of this channel is to help people to achieve some goal or solve an *actual* technical problem they encountered. It is neither an educational tool nor something to rely on when you support somebody else somewhere. |
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| 09:50.21 | bullgard4 | babilen: Please keep in mind that I am a volunteer. |
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| 09:51.26 | babilen | bullgard4: Please try to understand what I said, think about its ramifications and act accordingly. I have no intentions to discuss this further in here. If you have problems to understand something I said or are unsure about channel policy feel free to /msg me. |
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| 09:51.52 | bullgard4 | babilen: I read you message and found out that it is unfriendly. |
| 09:52.19 | rue_more | I have errors that are annoying me, I'd like suggestions on how to clear them up |
| 09:52.28 | babilen | bullgard4: Please move on. |
| 09:52.31 | rue_more | dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 13495 package 'epic4-help': |
| 09:52.31 | rue_more | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.31 | dpkg | rue_more: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:52.49 | rue_more | thats all the detail there is bot |
| 09:54.04 | babilen | rue_more: Sounds as if you available file is borked, could you paste that section? Where is epic4-help from (apt-cache policy epic4-help) as that version isn't in any release at the moment. |
| 09:54.38 | rue_more | k, one min |
| 09:54.51 | babilen | (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 09:56.45 | rue_more | http://paste.debian.net/89192/ |
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| 09:57.36 | babilen | rue_more: Yeah, that version number if certainly broken -- you forgot to include the output of "apt-cache policy epic4-help" in there. Mind adding it? |
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| 09:57.51 | rue_more | I have time to play along |
| 09:58.08 | nourno | what's the package for Ralink Wlan card? Used to be rt2500 for mine but seems not available anymore. |
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| 09:58.38 | babilen | nourno: pci? |
| 09:58.42 | megal0maniac_afk | rue_more: Oh hi. Fancy running into you here |
| 09:58.49 | nourno | yeah. |
| 09:59.01 | rue_more | http://paste.debian.net/89193/ |
| 09:59.09 | babilen | nourno: Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
| 09:59.25 | nourno | ok, hang on. |
| 09:59.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell rue_more -about avaialable |
| 10:00.09 | rue_more | .. it didn't |
| 10:00.10 | nourno | babilen: 01:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2500 Wireless 802.11bg [1814:0201] (rev 01) |
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| 10:00.32 | babilen | rue_more: That pre2.003-3 version is ancient and you don't have the package installed anyway ... Backup that file and regenerate it by following the instuctions our bot just sent you. |
| 10:00.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell nourno -about rt2500 |
| 10:01.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell rue_more -about available |
| 10:01.13 | babilen | rue_more: (it helps to spell things correctly) |
| 10:01.57 | rue_more | :0 thanks |
| 10:01.59 | rue_more | :) |
| 10:02.01 | babilen | nourno: And what do you mean by "not available anymore" -- what happened in the interim? Which kernel are you using? |
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| 10:04.13 | nourno | babilen: Jessie does not recognise its existence. maybe hw failure.want to reinstall software to confirm. don't quite understand what dpkg says. does it mean there is no oackage? |
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| 10:06.53 | nourno | babilen: when isssue command 'ifconfig wlan0 up', i get 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error' |
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| 10:07.45 | rue_more | should I be concerned that the new available file is 30x larger than the old one? |
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| 10:09.19 | nourno | dpkg firmware-ralink |
| 10:09.19 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, nourno |
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| 10:10.27 | rue_more | sweet, no more annoying errors |
| 10:10.37 | wols | ,v firmware-ralink |
| 10:10.38 | judd | Package: firmware-ralink on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.41; sid/non-free: 0.41 |
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| 10:16.39 | nourno | dpkg: tell nourno -about firmware-ralink |
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| 10:21.51 | wols | !tell nourno about selftell |
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| 10:51.16 | giorgiodinapoli | hi |
| 10:51.20 | giorgiodinapoli | question |
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| 10:51.38 | giorgiodinapoli | is it possible to chroot a user in his home directory?= |
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| 10:51.51 | giorgiodinapoli | i expect this as a basic feature |
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| 10:52.03 | giorgiodinapoli | but all docu is only about sftp :( |
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| 10:52.16 | wols | only if your user has every binary in his home directory. why would you want to do that? |
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| 10:52.43 | giorgiodinapoli | i want to hold auto ssh connections |
| 10:52.46 | giorgiodinapoli | on one server |
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| 10:52.49 | giorgiodinapoli | and backup files there |
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| 10:53.00 | giorgiodinapoli | but i dont want that user a can read data of userr b |
| 10:53.00 | babilen_ | dpkg: enter |
| 10:53.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 10:53.16 | giorgiodinapoli | ;)) |
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| 10:54.02 | giorgiodinapoli | i think its normal that a user is not able to view all other users data !"? |
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| 10:56.40 | tytan | I installed Crunchbang Linux on an old Laptop with 512MB of RAM. I upgraed to 2GB of RAM. Now when I try to boot it fails. "uncompression error --- System halted" :( |
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| 10:57.15 | SynrG | !crunchbang |
| 10:57.15 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 10:58.23 | tytan | Well it fails at loading the kernel which s prettymuch the same in #! and Wheezy ^^' |
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| 11:35.47 | sianios | hello, where can I see log files of my commands that I entered in terminal? except from history command, because only the last 1000 commands show up |
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| 11:37.31 | ompaul | sianios: what your history has is what you have, unless you are looking for your apt history which is in it's own log file, or su - an auth file |
| 11:37.49 | ompaul | sianios: what are you trying to remember |
| 11:38.01 | ompaul | what sphere of endevour |
| 11:38.22 | ompaul | endeavour |
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| 11:38.55 | Alula | Where do I report bugs for mozilla repo? |
| 11:38.59 | Alula | (iceweasel) |
| 11:39.05 | sianios | ompaul, I am searching for a command that I used months ago and dint note it down, anws thanks i will try find my command from the internet |
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| 11:39.28 | ompaul | sianios: what did it do, someone here might know |
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| 11:42.18 | themill | Alula: bugs against the repo or bugs against packages in it? |
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| 11:43.14 | Alula | themill: Packages |
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| 11:44.18 | themill | Alula: I would assume the pkg-mozilla-maintainers mailing list |
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| 11:50.52 | dutchfish | sianios, should be in your .history file, if you didnt rince it |
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| 11:53.46 | marsupapu | Hello. I installed wheezy with no qui and then MATE from their repo. I'd like to have a login manager of some kind, as now I have to login to terminal and use "startx" every time. How do I do this? |
| 11:54.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell marsupapu about dm |
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| 11:56.13 | marsupapu | I tried to install GDM, but it said there is no such package. It gave me two packages to replace it, but teir installation would have removed mate-desktop-environment |
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| 11:58.17 | wols | marsupapu: the message gave you many alternatives to gdm |
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| 11:59.07 | abrotman | marsupapu: it's gdm3 in wheezy |
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| 12:00.46 | marsupapu | Thank you! |
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| 12:04.39 | sandman13 | is it true that the size of debian is around 12gb? |
| 12:04.46 | abrotman | which size? |
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| 12:05.22 | abrotman | sandman13: installed size? server size? desktop size? package size? |
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| 12:06.54 | sandman13 | abrotman: this:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:07.00 | sandman13 | i see three isos |
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| 12:07.29 | abrotman | sandman13: you don't need all three |
| 12:07.48 | abrotman | sandman13: if your installation target has broadband, we'd recommend the netinst (a 200MB image) |
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| 12:08.26 | sandman13 | abrotman: my internet connection is slow the max speed i can get is 500KBps |
| 12:08.40 | abrotman | sandman13: that's not very slow .. that's more than sufficient for using the netinst |
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| 12:09.11 | sandman13 | and i am installing it on vmware says 3hrs remaining |
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| 12:09.29 | abrotman | and? that's not horrible. Go watch a movie |
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| 12:09.51 | abrotman | It sounds like you installed the Desktop task, so it's installing a lot of packages |
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| 12:10.45 | sandman13 | yeah i chose that |
| 12:10.56 | abrotman | sandman13: the netinst is the most efficient way. YOu're not downloading 12GB of packages now, downloading 12GB of DVDs would be a waste |
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| 12:11.28 | sandman13 | those three dvd contain only packages? |
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| 12:12.18 | abrotman | yes, but far more than you're downloading now |
| 12:14.16 | sandman13 | what does Desktop task installs? Desktop Environment? |
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| 12:17.47 | wols | sandman13: tasksel --help and you can find out yourself |
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| 12:18.06 | sandman13 | okay |
| 12:19.03 | sandman13 | how well does debian go with beginners? |
| 12:19.13 | babilen_ | sandman13: We eat them |
| 12:19.17 | abrotman | sandman13: it was my first distro .. 15 years ago |
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| 12:19.21 | abrotman | cries .. |
| 12:19.29 | babilen | consoles abrotman |
| 12:19.42 | sandman13 | what? |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | sandman13: My first distro was Debian. I started using it about 15 years ago, back when things were "harder" |
| 12:20.31 | llutz | "bo" was much more fun than jessie ever will be |
| 12:20.37 | babilen | sandman13: It's a fine distribution with excellent documentation, but not a "do what I mean" one. Read http://debian-handbook.info/ and give it a try. I, for one, find the stability, predictability and outstanding community support (mailing lists, IRC, user groups, ...) to be a strong argument in favour of it. |
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| 12:21.29 | jelly-home | llutz: libc migration kind of fun? |
| 12:21.55 | llutz | jelly-home: all sorts of fun, newer stuff tend "just to work", boring |
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| 12:22.44 | sandman13 | ubuntu is based on debian will i feel the difference if i install ubuntu? |
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| 12:23.39 | wols | ubuntu might be based on debian but has less and less in common with it. it's quite different, yes |
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| 12:26.04 | sandman13 | wols: the only thing i know is: they have same package manager what are the other differences? |
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| 12:28.45 | wols | too many to list |
| 12:29.06 | abrotman | and not really a topic for this channel. If you're curious, try them both. |
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| 12:39.18 | mapo | hi |
| 12:39.41 | mapo | after updating my testing/unstable system, it doesn't boot any longer |
| 12:40.05 | mapo | the kernel gets laoded but it can't find the root filesystem, which is on a lvm |
| 12:40.21 | mapo | however the swap partition - also on lvm - is found |
| 12:40.46 | mapo | if I boot with the netinst image in resue mode I can enter in the root partition |
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| 12:41.05 | mapo | can someone help me with this problem? |
| 12:41.31 | Thraul | this is why i dont like / on LVM only use LVM for /home or data. |
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| 12:41.52 | Thraul | um have you looked at the grub.cfg and see what its trying to boot? |
| 12:42.08 | Thraul | maybe the UUID got screwed? |
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| 12:43.27 | themill | ,bug 741342 |
| 12:43.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/741342 in grub2-common (open, patch): «/usr/sbin/update-grub: update-grub writes root=UUID= to grub.cfg for LVM2, renders machine unbootable»; severity: critical; opened: 2014-03-11; last modified: 2014-03-17. |
| 12:43.56 | Thraul | thanks themill i new there was something around about that issue |
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| 12:52.40 | mapo | themill, judd: thanks, this seems exactly my problem |
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| 12:56.36 | berceanu | is debian vim compiled without python support? :echo has('python') returns 0 in my vim |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | judd: depends vim-nox --release wheezy |
| 12:57.47 | judd | Package vim-nox in wheezy/i386 -- depends: vim-common (= 2:7.3.547-7), vim-runtime (= 2:7.3.547-7), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.11), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), liblua5.1-0, libperl5.14 (>= 5.14.2), libpython2.7 (>= 2.7), libruby1.9.1 (>= 1.9.2.0), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libtinfo5, tcl8.5 (>= 8.5.0). |
| 12:57.55 | abrotman | not sure if that's definitive |
| 12:58.31 | tremon | berceanu: mine does have it. Check if you have vim-tiny or vim-nox (or vim-gtk) installed |
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| 13:00.22 | berceanu | tremon: i have vim and vim-common |
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| 13:00.53 | berceanu | tremon: and none of the others installed |
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| 13:03.30 | tremon | well whaddaya know, we have four vim flavours in debian. Yes, it appears the plain vim package lacks python support |
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| 13:03.58 | tremon | berceanu: try install vim-nox |
| 13:04.16 | berceanu | tremon: i installed vim-gnome and that seemed to fix the prob ;) |
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| 13:04.39 | tremon | that works too :) |
| 13:04.40 | nkuttler | berceanu: you probably had vim-tiny |
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| 13:05.10 | berceanu | nkuttler: that also showed as not-installed |
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| 13:07.35 | lapache | Hello, why 'git clone http://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-javascript/jquery-coolfieldset.git' don't works ? |
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| 13:09.01 | nkuttler | lapache: have you read the error? |
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| 13:11.00 | lapache | nkuttler: yup but my explorer show me that it exists ... no ? |
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| 13:11.31 | themill | lapache: you want git://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-javascript/jquery-coolfieldset.git/ |
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| 13:25.57 | lapache | themill: sorry was this which didnt works :'git clone http://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-javascript/jquery-coolfieldset.git' |
| 13:26.13 | lapache | themill: and thank you |
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| 13:34.24 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 13:37.47 | spyder | how can i install youtube-dl in wheezy |
| 13:37.57 | spyder | i am not able to find the package? |
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| 13:38.04 | abrotman | judd: versions youtube-dl |
| 13:38.05 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | guess it's gone |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | spyder: there are similar apps IIRC |
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| 13:38.42 | abrotman | spyder: apt-cache search youtube |
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| 13:40.48 | scoopex | spyder: a good frontend for finding packages for files/tools is packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com - use the second search form and enter the name/path of the file.... |
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| 13:41.21 | abrotman | scoopex: which would only tellhim the package isn't in Debian |
| 13:41.25 | abrotman | or in Wheezy rather |
| 13:41.57 | wuffi600 | I'm on whezzy amd64 and using and using apt-sources-line "deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org proposed-updates/wheezy main". "http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/proposed-updates/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages" exists but i have got error "W: Conflicting distribution: http://deb.torproject.org proposed-updates/wheezy Release (expected proposed-updates but got proposed-updates/wheezy)". why? |
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| 13:45.01 | abrotman | wuffi600: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 13:49.24 | wuffi600 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/89211/ |
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| 13:52.57 | touki | What's the best way to install numpy 1.7 on debian wheezy ? |
| 13:53.14 | touki | I need it rather than 1.6 |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | wuffi600: ugh, i'd probably just comment it out. Otherwise, try a space instead of the / (also, there are a few tor channels on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 13:54.11 | wols | touki: use pip? |
| 13:54.22 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 13:54.32 | wuffi600 | abrotman: thanks for your tiem |
| 13:54.44 | wols | looks around confused. did I say something? |
| 13:55.17 | touki | wols: yep, that I was thinking. |
| 13:55.22 | wuffi600 | abrotman: thank you |
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| 13:56.23 | themill | touki: you'd need to install it inside a virtualenv to not accidentally break other things. |
| 13:56.44 | themill | touki: btw what specifically do you need from 1.7? |
| 13:56.48 | touki | themill: yep, I guess it's the best. |
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| 13:57.05 | touki | I coded something earlier that used few things on 1.7 |
| 13:57.30 | touki | I went back on wheezy and I prefer update thant to rewrite the code |
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| 13:58.35 | touki | I went back on wheezy and I prefer update thant to rewrite the code. |
| 13:58.42 | touki | Is it possible to downgrade using pip? |
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| 13:58.51 | touki | [for other packages purposes] |
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| 14:00.54 | dvs | touki: what do you mean by "went back on wheezy"? |
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| 14:04.45 | woshty | What packages do I need so automatic module building will work for a new kernel image? |
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| 14:05.30 | dvs | woshty: build-essentail and linux-headers for starters. |
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| 14:05.40 | woshty | dvs: kbuild? |
| 14:05.48 | dvs | never used it |
| 14:06.00 | ix22600 | Hi All, I have openvpn daemon running on a linux box. I would like to ask you if you could help me with some iptable advice. I want to be able, after connected to vpn, to access subnets from another interface on the server .. I tried masquerading it, but it does not work. I took a look at tcpdump, and traffic is going out when I'm sending, but nothing comes back |
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| 14:06.47 | ezze | the acces server? or the community version? |
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| 14:07.10 | woshty | dvs: It is so nice if it works :) |
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| 14:10.25 | spyder | how do i uninstall package? |
| 14:10.27 | rfree | lol who written this https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd - way to be objective |
| 14:10.43 | rfree | "It replaces the venerable SysV init with a clean and efficient design, and brings a stream of" |
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| 14:10.58 | themill | rfree: wrong channel? |
| 14:11.10 | rfree | themill: which channel then? |
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| 14:11.42 | themill | /dev/null probably has the most people interested in it |
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| 14:13.03 | rfree | I thought some people would be interested in heaving debian wiki as neutral source. well, if not.. |
| 14:13.59 | themill | rfree: perhaps you should read the context of those pages. They are designed as advocacy. |
| 14:14.29 | wols | rfree: "This page documents the position statement of those who think that Debian should adopt systemd as the default init system. " |
| 14:14.34 | wols | first line of the page |
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| 14:14.55 | touki | dvs: nothing related. I completely reisntalled the whole system, but previously I coded on a system having installed >1.6 numpy |
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| 14:15.44 | rfree | ok |
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| 14:26.02 | average | I have a cronjob set up by a packaget that's in /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 14:26.08 | average | I'd like to move it to /etc/cron.weekly/ |
| 14:26.15 | average | what's the proper way of doing that ? |
| 14:26.23 | average | I imagine if I just move it, it's not the Debian way |
| 14:26.26 | average | how would you do that ? |
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| 14:28.06 | dvs | average: is it part of a package? |
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| 14:29.13 | boodie | Hi: a couple of days ago I had a problem with X, occurred after the installation of the latest kernel for stable ... (3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64). People in this channel were very helpful, thanks again. |
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| 14:29.57 | dvs | is not sure how to handle a compliment!!!! |
| 14:30.05 | boodie | Now, how could I report on the problem, as I assume that some packages were not installed correctly? |
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| 14:30.38 | Zambezi | Any suggestion for a time calculator? Adding hh:mm:ss.xx (xx hundred of a second). I'm clue less. |
| 14:31.53 | boodie | In particular, the nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 14:32.34 | boodie | Which I had to uninstall, in order for X to work, with nouveau |
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| 14:34.14 | joj | Zambezi: you can use the regular date command! date -d -30days; date -d +52min; date -d +386days5min |
| 14:35.05 | joj | Zambezi: see the man page for units and more details |
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| 14:42.22 | ix22600 | Hi All, I have openvpn daemon running on a linux box. I would like to ask you if you could help me with some iptable advice. I want to be able, after connected to vpn, to access subnets from another interface on the server .. I tried masquerading it, but it does not work. I took a look at tcpdump, and traffic is going out when I'm sending, but nothing comes back |
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| 14:45.31 | average | dvs: yes |
| 14:47.11 | dvs | average: the package should be changed if you want to move those files. So, the simple answer is no. |
| 14:48.03 | ice9 | Debian installer couldn't recognize my HDD partitions that is created by Ubuntu and it's encrypted lvm |
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| 14:49.40 | average | ice9: friendly advice, do not use Ubuntu ever |
| 14:50.10 | average | ice9: go back to a Ubuntu machine, mount, recover data, and transfer it to the Debian machine |
| 14:50.22 | ice9 | average: why don't use ubuntu? |
| 14:50.43 | ix22600 | and you want to install debian on the same lvm partition as ubuntu? |
| 14:50.44 | average | ice9: because it's a slimy ball of keyloggers/malware/spyware ? |
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| 14:51.11 | average | ice9: https://fixubuntu.com/ |
| 14:51.33 | ice9 | average: yeah but if you disabled or uninstalled the applications that use the web services then you are fine right? |
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| 14:52.01 | average | ice9: there are a lot of them, trust me, you won't be able to find all of them |
| 14:52.13 | ice9 | average: the main advantage of Ubuntu is that it will just work on laptops, but when I booted in Debian it was asking to provide the firmware of ethernet, wifi |
| 14:52.21 | average | ice9: without a lot of wasted effort |
| 14:52.33 | ice9 | average: anyway I need Debian because it's more stable so I'm thinking of the migration |
| 14:52.43 | average | ice9: then identify the drivers you need from Ubuntu, and use those on Debian |
| 14:52.57 | ice9 | average: where can I find these firmwares in Ubuntu? |
| 14:53.13 | average | ice9: lsmod |
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| 14:53.55 | average | ice9: find out which of those is the driver you need, find package that contains, then go back to Debian and use that one. when I do this sort of thing I usually need 2 machines. One for reading stuff on forums/mailing-lists, and the other one which I'm trying to fix |
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| 14:54.25 | wols | !firmware images |
| 14:54.25 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 14:54.57 | average | ice9: wols suggestion about finding the driver is better, listen to him |
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| 14:55.10 | average | >> ice9: wols suggestion about finding the driver is better, listen to him |
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| 14:55.29 | average | 10:54 < wols> !firmware images |
| 14:55.29 | average | 10:54 < dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 14:57.58 | tj__ | is there anybody here who uses ratpoison on a basic debian install? |
| 14:58.11 | wols | tj__: ask your real question |
| 14:58.28 | cybrNaut- | spyder: i discovered the same problem today (youtube-dl not in wheezy). what did you end up doing? |
| 14:58.47 | spyder | cybrNaut-: using cclive for now |
| 14:58.56 | ice9 | is this cd enough to install the whole system debian-7.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
| 14:59.09 | ice9 | and does it support EFI? |
| 14:59.19 | cybrNaut- | btw, pwsafe and irssi-otr-plugin was also dropped from wheezy |
| 14:59.20 | average | ice9: yes and yes |
| 14:59.21 | cybrNaut- | i hate these surprises |
| 14:59.27 | wols | ice9: yes. anything else you need will be downloaded from internet repos |
| 14:59.35 | wols | ice9: but for a normal, basic install it's enough |
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| 15:00.11 | cybrNaut- | spyder: thanks |
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| 15:01.39 | naquad | hi |
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| 15:02.42 | cybrNaut- | spyder: did you find out what reason youtube-dl was dropped? It stopped working at one point when youtube updated their website, but has its own update mechanism. I wonder if someone dropped it not knowing that it needs to self-update internally |
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| 15:03.12 | naquad | i've got something odd going on with libncurses5-dev: https://gist.github.com/naquad/b01552c4189cbd116056 - i've got all repos = wheezy and thats the first time i see such issue. any ideas how do i fix that? |
| 15:03.33 | spyder | cybrNaut-: I do not know about the reason they dropped it |
| 15:03.54 | nkuttler | ,v libtinfo5 |
| 15:03.55 | judd | Package: libtinfo5 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.9-10; jessie: 5.9+20140118-1; sid: 5.9+20140118-1 |
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| 15:04.13 | cybrNaut- | it's often poorly documented why things get dropped.. a bit maddening |
| 15:04.22 | nkuttler | naquad: apt-cache policy libtinfo5 |
| 15:04.39 | ice9 | in Debian stable, are the applications very outdated than other distros? |
| 15:04.56 | nkuttler | ice9: no, sometimes a bit |
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| 15:05.34 | cybrNaut- | ice9: yes, it's inherent in being stable |
| 15:05.48 | ice9 | now I got a yes and a no :) |
| 15:06.04 | e-anima | hi all. i updated my debian apt-get update and then upgrade. unfortunately nothing is working anymore. i got only a console login. no boot to gnome. so i did aptitude install gnome-desktop. now i get this: http://i.imgur.com/NjEIECV.png |
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| 15:06.15 | e-anima | any idea how i can fix this? |
| 15:06.22 | cybrNaut- | ice9: it varies from one app to the next.. so expect mixed replies |
| 15:06.47 | ice9 | anyway I will give it a shot, I don't have another pc so see on debian next time ;) |
| 15:06.49 | nkuttler | e-anima: um, did you upgrade to testing or something? |
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| 15:07.27 | cybrNaut- | ice9: the primary criticism of debian is usually the age of versions |
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| 15:07.59 | cybrNaut- | ice9: if you really want bleeding edge stuff, gentoo is a good choice |
| 15:08.44 | e-anima | nkuttler i just dud apt-get update and upgrade |
| 15:08.46 | ice9 | cybrNaut-: it takes ages to download applications and compile in Gentoo, I'm on slow connection |
| 15:08.49 | e-anima | i am checking my sources |
| 15:09.00 | e-anima | ok i cant. because error screen |
| 15:09.04 | e-anima | puh |
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| 15:09.17 | nkuttler | e-anima: ctrl-alt-f1, f7 to get back |
| 15:10.43 | e-anima | my sources: http://i.imgur.com/w6NwyDr.png |
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| 15:11.21 | nkuttler | e-anima: you have a squeezy/wheezy mix. very bad |
| 15:11.28 | nkuttler | squeeze even |
| 15:11.32 | naquad | nkuttler, mmm i see two versions of libtinfo5 which there's only one libncurses5-dev |
| 15:11.46 | nkuttler | naquad: paste.debian.net the output |
| 15:11.46 | e-anima | oh shit |
| 15:12.02 | e-anima | i can not remember i edited and mixed this |
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| 15:12.28 | naquad | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/89222/ |
| 15:12.30 | e-anima | suggestions to fix this? |
| 15:12.31 | nkuttler | e-anima: you should probably complete the upgrade to wheezy, but no idea if that causes the problem.. |
| 15:12.42 | e-anima | how? |
| 15:13.04 | nkuttler | !tell e-anima about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:13.23 | ix22600 | can anyone help with a iptables advice? |
| 15:13.44 | nkuttler | naquad: well, you have local packages that are newer than what's in wheezy |
| 15:14.00 | nkuttler | naquad: you most likely were running testing at some point and tried to downgrade to stable? |
| 15:14.06 | naquad | but how the hell did i get them? 0o i've installed everything from repo |
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| 15:14.17 | naquad | and no, because this is a server i didn't go to testing/unstable |
| 15:14.21 | nkuttler | naquad: show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:14.27 | nkuttler | naquad: well, the signs are clear |
| 15:14.35 | cybrNaut- | judd: versions grub |
| 15:14.37 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64 |
| 15:14.40 | e-anima | so if i understand that right i may have causes debin to try to update ti 7.0 but i did not do dist-upgrade |
| 15:14.46 | Zambezi | joj: Seems to be tricky. Haven't used regular expression but I can't trust a site which often is offline. For example 00:34:47.2 + 00:10:45.5 equals 00:45:32.7 but manually takes alot of time. |
| 15:14.47 | nkuttler | ,v libtinfo5 |
| 15:14.48 | cybrNaut- | judd: versions grub2 |
| 15:14.48 | judd | Package: libtinfo5 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.9-10; jessie: 5.9+20140118-1; sid: 5.9+20140118-1 |
| 15:14.49 | judd | Package: grub2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; jessie: 2.00-22; sid: 2.02~beta2-7 |
| 15:14.50 | naquad | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/89223/ |
| 15:14.54 | ix22600 | i want to allow access from vpn interface to kvm br interface. (running 7.4) |
| 15:14.59 | e-anima | where in my sources can i see wheezy |
| 15:15.04 | e-anima | i only see squeeze |
| 15:15.07 | e-anima | i dont get it |
| 15:15.18 | nkuttler | e-anima: stable == wheezy |
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| 15:15.36 | e-anima | ah ok but i thought only dist-upgrade would do that |
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| 15:16.09 | nkuttler | e-anima: right, you have a partial upgrade now |
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| 15:17.48 | e-anima | just so that i understand. the moment a new version comes out STABLE chances. so if a new debian gets out, from that moment on i should exclude that entry or i screw my system when using upgrade/update? |
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| 15:18.36 | e-anima | just so that i dont make this mistake again. |
| 15:18.38 | nkuttler | e-anima: you should never use "stable" to begin with |
| 15:18.41 | nerder | hello everybody, my pc randomly shuts down, there is any log that i can check for try to understand the causes? any logs or something? |
| 15:18.52 | e-anima | ok thx that is a good point |
| 15:19.03 | e-anima | so only sources with specified versions |
| 15:19.36 | nerder | uname -a : 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:20.28 | nkuttler | nerder: is it a proper shutdown or does it just die? |
| 15:20.54 | nerder | nkuttler, it die when i'm browsing for instance |
| 15:21.27 | nkuttler | naquad: btw, install apt-show-versions and grep for testing/unstable |
| 15:21.37 | nkuttler | nerder: sounds like a hardware problem to me |
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| 15:22.12 | nerder | nkuttler, probably it is, i'm in the same opinion |
| 15:22.22 | naquad | nkuttler, both greps are empty :\ |
| 15:22.43 | nerder | nkuttler, that's why if i can check some logs i can understand what is broken |
| 15:22.52 | nkuttler | naquad: can you paste the entire output? |
| 15:22.56 | naquad | but there are lots of packages like "newer than in archive" |
| 15:23.21 | nkuttler | naquad: yeah, you were running > stable at some point in the past |
| 15:23.26 | naquad | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/89224/ |
| 15:23.41 | nkuttler | ,v libc6 |
| 15:23.42 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-4; sid: 2.18-4 |
| 15:23.57 | nkuttler | naquad: definitely not wheezy |
| 15:24.17 | nkuttler | naquad: reinstall time i guess.. |
| 15:24.21 | naquad | hell... |
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| 15:24.31 | nerder | ahah |
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| 15:24.40 | nkuttler | naquad: is it a server, workstation, random box? |
| 15:24.49 | naquad | nkuttler, vps |
| 15:24.55 | naquad | it was managed for quiet some time |
| 15:24.59 | nkuttler | hah |
| 15:25.02 | nkuttler | mismanaged |
| 15:25.15 | nkuttler | and people pay for such services. sigh |
| 15:25.18 | naquad | then i've cancelled service because they've constantly caused problems with site |
| 15:25.26 | nkuttler | naquad: i can tell.. |
| 15:25.50 | naquad | nkuttler, you know what |
| 15:25.52 | nkuttler | "oh there's a problem. let's upgrade to the latest packages to fix it!1" |
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| 15:26.03 | naquad | nkuttler, i'm looking at it and it looks it is wheezy |
| 15:26.04 | naquad | but |
| 15:26.11 | naquad | they've grabbed some packages from ubuntu :( |
| 15:26.13 | naquad | ugly f* |
| 15:26.22 | nkuttler | naquad: ah, that could be i guess |
| 15:26.32 | average | hey |
| 15:26.35 | average | if I lost my gpg key, how can I revoke it |
| 15:26.38 | average | ? |
| 15:26.41 | naquad | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ncurses/5.9+20130608-1ubuntu1 |
| 15:26.46 | nkuttler | average: did you create a revocation cert? |
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| 15:26.56 | average | nkuttler: I don't think so |
| 15:27.05 | nkuttler | average: then you can't really |
| 15:27.10 | average | nkuttler: that sucks |
| 15:27.15 | average | nkuttler: so what do I do now ? |
| 15:27.35 | nkuttler | average: tell everybody you know to use the new one, which has a revocation cert and times out? |
| 15:28.04 | average | times out ? |
| 15:28.07 | average | what do you mean times out ? |
| 15:28.37 | nkuttler | average: i meant expires |
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| 15:31.12 | naquad | is there some tool to set specific packages priority/ |
| 15:31.13 | naquad | ? |
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| 15:31.47 | nkuttler | !tell naquad about downgrade |
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| 15:32.16 | nkuttler | average: well just stop using it. what's the big deal anyway, did you lose your private key? |
| 15:32.26 | nkuttler | average: and please keep it in the channel |
| 15:32.39 | average | I didn't lose my private key |
| 15:32.47 | average | I just reinstalled the system at some point |
| 15:32.49 | average | and just forgot |
| 15:32.52 | average | and it's gone now |
| 15:33.15 | average | how can I just remove it from pgp.mit.edu or.. something |
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| 15:33.47 | nkuttler | average: i don't know that much about gpg, but i think key servers exchange keys. so even removing it from there wouldn't do much |
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| 15:34.19 | average | I see |
| 15:34.37 | s0m3b0dy | Hello, I was just wondering how I would recover logs through recovery mode on my server |
| 15:34.55 | s0m3b0dy | Suddenly SSH and most other services stopped working, so I'd like to know what happened |
| 15:35.01 | average | s0m3b0dy: zip -r logs.zip /var/log |
| 15:35.09 | nkuttler | average: but ask the #gnupg people |
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| 15:35.34 | s0m3b0dy | average: where would the logs.zip be? |
| 15:36.09 | wols | in . |
| 15:36.13 | average | indeed |
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| 15:36.18 | s0m3b0dy | not there :/ |
| 15:36.34 | average | s0m3b0dy: I don't understand you, be more clear |
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| 15:36.54 | s0m3b0dy | average: The log zip file is not there |
| 15:36.57 | tycel | I'm having trouble with my cron and not entirely sure what to do: Subject: Cron <root@makoto> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -ignore_readdir_race -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) ! -execdir fuser -s {} 2>/dev/null \; -delete |
| 15:37.06 | tycel | I get that email about every hour. |
| 15:37.26 | s0m3b0dy | tycel: what is your cron? |
| 15:38.02 | tycel | s0m3b0dy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron <- best description. |
| 15:38.10 | average | s0m3b0dy: you have to create it |
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| 15:38.14 | average | 11:35 < average> s0m3b0dy: zip -r logs.zip /var/log |
| 15:38.22 | average | s0m3b0dy: have you read what I wrote ? |
| 15:38.24 | s0m3b0dy | tycel: I know what a cron is, but what is YOUR cron? The one you are trying to install |
| 15:38.37 | s0m3b0dy | average: Yes, I cannot find the logs.zip file |
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| 15:38.47 | naquad | nkuttler, i've managed to apt-get download 5.9-10 (wheezy version) and then dpkg -i, thans for help :) |
| 15:38.47 | average | s0m3b0dy: zip -r /tmp/logs.zip /var/log |
| 15:38.53 | average | s0m3b0dy: they will be in /tmp |
| 15:39.04 | s0m3b0dy | oh |
| 15:39.05 | s0m3b0dy | thanks :D |
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| 15:39.20 | s0m3b0dy | average: not there either |
| 15:39.33 | average | I don't believe you s0m3b0dy |
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| 15:39.59 | s0m3b0dy | average: http://gyazo.com/edcd98dc64b0236ba3d523d0187fefd1 |
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| 15:40.01 | tycel | I have cron installed, but this is the message it keeps sending me. |
| 15:40.02 | nkuttler | naquad: keep in mind that your system is completely broken, even if you managed to install that package.. |
| 15:40.04 | tycel | ^^; |
| 15:40.39 | average | s0m3b0dy: did you run the zip command ? |
| 15:40.43 | average | s0m3b0dy: you did not, did you ? |
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| 15:41.23 | average | s0m3b0dy: what does ls /var/log tell you ? |
| 15:41.32 | average | s0m3b0dy: paste the full thing, the output of each of your commands |
| 15:42.20 | s0m3b0dy | average: http://gyazo.com/a162dde7243f2a60338f164b64dfac94 |
| 15:43.19 | average | s0m3b0dy: tar -zcvf /tmp/logs.tar.gz /var/logs |
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| 15:44.10 | average | s0m3b0dy: that worked ? |
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| 15:45.01 | s0m3b0dy | average: http://gyazo.com/e82ff8d30625ad8aa730984a6fe30e0e |
| 15:45.02 | s0m3b0dy | nopw |
| 15:45.05 | s0m3b0dy | nope * |
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| 15:53.53 | s0m3b0dy | average: you here? |
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| 15:58.38 | average | s0m3b0dy: on some machine with public ip do the following => netcat -l -p 3000 > /tmp/logs-from-the-server.tar |
| 15:59.02 | s0m3b0dy | average: I think the tar file is empty |
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| 15:59.27 | average | on the machine where the logs are do tar -cOvf - /var/logs | nc the-public-ip 3000 |
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| 16:00.17 | average | this will transfer the files over from one machine to the other without hitting the disk(the disk on the machine with the logs) |
| 16:00.40 | average | of course, if your firewall is set up a certain way, this won't work |
| 16:00.41 | s0m3b0dy | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 16:00.55 | average | s0m3b0dy: ok, I give up, good luck ! |
| 16:01.04 | s0m3b0dy | thanks mate |
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| 16:07.58 | new299 | Hi all, I'm lookinf for a bare debian system (i.e. no Android chroot) with a captouch display (like a phone) and OpenGL. Does anyone know of such a thing? |
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| 16:09.56 | s0m3b0dy | new299: you mean like Debian? |
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| 16:10.40 | new299 | s0m3b0dy: i'm looking for hardware running debian with a captouch display yes. |
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| 16:11.02 | s0m3b0dy | new299: So you don't want to install the debian yourself? |
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| 16:12.30 | new299 | s0m3b0dy: I'm fine with doing that if it's relatively straightforward. |
| 16:13.14 | s0m3b0dy | new299: So what is your question? |
| 16:13.28 | average | new299: nokia n900 ? |
| 16:13.46 | new299 | average: not captouch. |
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| 16:14.23 | new299 | s0m3b0dy: the question is do you know of a hardware platform that supports debian with opengl natively and has a captouch display. |
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| 16:14.49 | s0m3b0dy | new299: nope, but Im sure Google does |
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| 16:15.09 | s0m3b0dy | new299: This isn't really a hardware discussion channel, it's a Debian support channel |
| 16:15.13 | average | s0m3b0dy: yeah but that's not an answer |
| 16:15.25 | average | s0m3b0dy: listen, if you don't know how to answer something, you don't need to |
| 16:15.37 | average | s0m3b0dy: you can stay in your corner, and not talk |
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| 16:16.56 | average | new299: by captouch do you mean touchscreen ? |
| 16:17.02 | average | new299: or is there a difference ? |
| 16:17.18 | average | new299: what devices have you seen so far that have captouch, can you give some examples ? this term is rather new to me |
| 16:17.39 | mtn | there is a hardware channel, you know |
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| 16:18.45 | new299 | average: capacitive touch. or "multitouch". Most phones (aside from the n900) use it. i.e. Nexus series etc. |
| 16:19.55 | new299 | mtn: thanks, what's the hardware channel I just did a quick google and couldn't find it. |
| 16:20.22 | Mikaela | new299: ##hardware or something, I think. |
| 16:20.26 | Mikaela | new299: /msg alis help list |
| 16:20.48 | average | new299: http://cryptojedi.org/misc/nexuss-debian.shtml |
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| 16:23.34 | new299 | average: thanks, yes I've been taking a look at that. That's about running debian in a chroot. Generally running using the Android kernel has a bunch of issues becuase of their BOINC C library |
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| 16:27.06 | average | new299: why don't you get one of these, and use Sailfish OS ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS#Devices_running_Sailfish_OS |
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| 16:30.34 | average | new299: also, mobile phones usually don't have straight debian on them, but rather some derivative(?) or just some custom linux distro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mobile_operating_systems |
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| 16:30.46 | LV-426 | Hello channel! I'm stuck with a broken initramfs image, generated by initramfs-tools v0.115. Right after (successful) raid array initialization, it hangs for a few seconds then states: 'alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx does not exist' |
| 16:30.51 | average | new299: I'm not sure if putting vanilla debian on it makes sense, since it's a very specialized platform.. |
| 16:31.00 | new299 | average: hmm I might chase them up thanks. |
| 16:31.01 | LV-426 | All I then need to do to recover is issue 'vgchange -a y', mount the root FS and exit. |
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| 16:31.32 | LV-426 | I suspect the swap lvm partition, since it is the only one present under /dev/mapper before issuing the vgchange command, though I can't back this with any error/warning... any suggestion? |
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| 16:31.45 | new299 | average: well I actually want to do direct programming against the captouch display/openGL so I'm really looking for a platform just to hack around with. |
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| 16:32.49 | zerodrama | is there a way to make it so video modules aren't loaded when booting the rescue option |
| 16:33.25 | zerodrama | installing a new video card can cause blank screen |
| 16:33.44 | zerodrama | i can use init=/bin/bash |
| 16:34.04 | zerodrama | but it's a pain |
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| 16:40.18 | joj | zerodrama: you could create a custom grub entry with additional options on the kernel command line in the format yourmodule.blacklist=yes |
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| 16:45.56 | joj | LV-426: does specifying the rootfs in the format root=/dev/mapper/vgroup/volume (ie. without using UUIDs) help? After this solution was hinted in a forum somewhere I went to disable UUID's in grub: /ect/default/grub; add the line GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID="true" and regenerate grub.cfg - and subsequent reboots are fine |
| 16:46.31 | joj | LV-426: oh sorry, should be /dev/mapper/vgroup-volume of course |
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| 16:47.03 | joj | LV-426: and /etc/default grub. God I should get some sleep. |
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| 16:50.50 | LV-426 | joj, I suspect I'll hit the same error only rewritten for /dev/mapper/vg-... as /dev/mapper fails to populate, but it's worth a second check |
| 16:50.57 | LV-426 | I'll go eat & post back, thanks. |
| 16:51.13 | joj | LV-426: ok |
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| 17:20.19 | howcanthisbe | can anyone tell me if it's possible to install VideoReDo in debian? |
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| 17:20.51 | howcanthisbe | i'm at the point where i've installed it in wine but it needs directx i think |
| 17:21.17 | SynrG | what does the winehq db say? this is really a question for them |
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| 17:21.52 | howcanthisbe | it's got an entry on it and it says i have to install a bunch of things and directx is one of them |
| 17:21.54 | SynrG | !wine |
| 17:21.55 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 17:22.07 | SynrG | ah. well, there's winetricks for that |
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| 17:22.31 | howcanthisbe | ah i heardo of that but i'm a complete newb |
| 17:22.47 | SynrG | ,winetricks |
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| 17:22.53 | SynrG | ,v winetricks |
| 17:22.55 | judd | Package: winetricks on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib: 0.0+20140115+svn1086-1; sid/contrib: 0.0+20140115+svn1086-1 |
| 17:23.03 | howcanthisbe | i've goodled some stuff but i'm really unsure |
| 17:23.05 | SynrG | install that. read the doc. use it |
| 17:23.17 | howcanthisbe | thank you |
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| 17:24.29 | howcanthisbe | is that installed through symbian or apt-get install or something, sorry the whole thing is new to me? sorry I'll google |
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| 17:34.35 | ignucious | is there a way yet to connect an iphone with ios7 via usb cable to Debian |
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| 17:37.57 | monsune | how to check qemu version? i |
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| 17:39.41 | SynrG | howcanthisbe: if by symbian you mean synaptic, yes, you can install it that way. or just: apt-get install winetricks |
| 17:40.02 | monsune | what is winetricks good for? |
| 17:40.14 | SynrG | howcanthisbe: however, it's in 'contrib', so you need to include that in your /etc/apt/sources.list for that to work |
| 17:40.29 | SynrG | !contrib |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 17:40.59 | SynrG | monsune: managing installation of dependencies for applications you want to run in wine |
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| 17:41.09 | SynrG | dlls and the like |
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| 17:41.37 | SynrG | also, apt-cache show winetricks |
| 17:41.39 | SynrG | :p |
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| 17:46.50 | stoutbox | Howdy fellers |
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| 17:49.43 | ignucious | so one can't connect an ios7 device to a Debian system? |
| 17:50.51 | stoutbox | I don't know if many people that hang out in the #Debian-next channel would even know. I don't think that the average testing/sid user uses ios devices. :\ |
| 17:51.26 | stoutbox | I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't, Apple goes out of their way to make sure you can only access their stuff on certain, select, systems. |
| 17:52.03 | ignucious | stoutbox: yeah I've had it for a while and rarely use it but I would like to listen to music on the go |
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| 17:52.50 | stoutbox | I bought an ARchos box for that. 250 gig hard drive, and old as hell, built like a brick. Mounts as an external HD, because, well, it is an exteral HD. |
| 17:53.22 | stoutbox | Apparently you can hook it up in Ubuntu 13.whatever, so I imagine you can hook it up in Debian, too |
| 17:53.32 | stoutbox | there's nothing special about Ubuntu... |
| 17:54.04 | ignucious | aight |
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| 17:56.31 | [sr] | hi |
| 17:57.06 | [sr] | i have a wierd problem, cant login in one machine locally, error is: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_selinux.so): /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1: undefined symbol: pcre_free_study |
| 17:57.24 | [sr] | already updated all selinux and pam modules, and same thing, ideas? |
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| 17:58.01 | owen1 | how to display what fonts i am currently using |
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| 17:58.34 | jhutchins | [sr]: What release? |
| 17:59.06 | [sr] | jhutchins: on sid , continuing to update stuff as i need |
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| 18:00.05 | stoutbox | owen1: fonts are stored in your .fonts directory, or in /usr/share/fonts\ |
| 18:00.26 | stoutbox | They're split up in /usr/share/fonts into different varieties, but you can see what you have installed. |
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| 18:03.30 | owen1 | stoutbox: cool. i see 5 folders in /user/share/fonts: cmap, opentype, truetype, type1 and X11 |
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| 18:03.38 | owen1 | what font i am currently using? |
| 18:03.50 | stoutbox | I don't understand the question. |
| 18:04.11 | jhutchins | owen1: What desktop? Which release? |
| 18:04.12 | owen1 | right now my terminal is using one of those fonts |
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| 18:04.25 | stoutbox | owen1: oh, what terminal are you using? |
| 18:04.26 | andry | hi, anyone else on testing/sid having the "bad array subscript" bug in bash with auto-complete? |
| 18:04.29 | owen1 | xterm |
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| 18:04.46 | owen1 | Linux laptop 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:05.27 | owen1 | i thought there is a command that will display the currently fonts used. |
| 18:05.38 | stoutbox | not that I know of. |
| 18:05.40 | owen1 | google didn't provide anything meaningful |
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| 18:05.56 | stoutbox | ls ~/.fonts |
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| 18:06.06 | stoutbox | that'll do custom ones |
| 18:06.26 | stoutbox | ls /usr/share/fonts/*/* |
| 18:06.28 | owen1 | stoutbox: i don't have .fonts |
| 18:06.29 | stoutbox | that'll do the other ones |
| 18:07.08 | stoutbox | thats fine, you can make one if you'd like. That's where you store user-fonts. |
| 18:07.11 | owen1 | i got A LOT of files inside /user/share/fonts |
| 18:07.13 | jhutchins | stoutbox: He's not asking which fonts are available, he's asking what's set. |
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| 18:07.23 | owen1 | yup |
| 18:07.24 | andry | can someone write my name please? :P |
| 18:07.29 | owen1 | andry: hi |
| 18:07.32 | stoutbox | andry: |
| 18:07.47 | andry | thanks |
| 18:07.57 | owen1 | in my .Xdefaults i see: |
| 18:07.58 | owen1 | xterm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono Book |
| 18:08.00 | owen1 | xterm*faceNameDoublesize: WenQuanYi Zen Hei Mono |
| 18:08.16 | owen1 | and xterm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono Book |
| 18:08.44 | andry | can you write it again? .. :) |
| 18:08.49 | owen1 | andry: yo |
| 18:08.56 | andry | thanks, works |
| 18:09.03 | owen1 | andry: what did u test? |
| 18:09.08 | andry | highlighting in pidgin |
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| 18:09.42 | jhutchins | owen1: Ctrl-RightMouse |
| 18:09.43 | owen1 | next time u can just open a new channel, #testing-foo and mention yourself |
| 18:09.58 | andry | i need it minimized |
| 18:10.42 | owen1 | jhutchins: interesting. i see list of 15 items and some of them are checked. |
| 18:11.07 | owen1 | truetype fonts are checked |
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| 18:11.50 | jhutchins | owen1: http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html |
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| 18:12.31 | jhutchins | lj foo |
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| 18:13.17 | owen1 | jhutchins: thanks! it might answer another question i have with xterm - copy paste using the keyboard |
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| 18:14.03 | jhutchins | owen1: Arch has some good docs as well: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xterm#VT_Fonts_menu |
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| 18:17.15 | owen1 | jhutchins: omg. insert+shift is pasting! |
| 18:17.55 | DemonKnight | owen1: so does a right click |
| 18:18.03 | andry | or ctrl+shift+v |
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| 18:18.34 | owen1 | right click or ctrl+shift+v does nothing on mine |
| 18:19.18 | andry | which terminal? :P |
| 18:19.27 | SynrG | a) on xterm, ctrl-shift-v does nothing |
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| 18:19.36 | andry | ok. xterm. |
| 18:19.38 | SynrG | b) on xterm, middle-click pastes, not right-click |
| 18:19.45 | owen1 | yup |
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| 18:21.44 | kdeder | does anyone here own a gtx650 or 750? |
| 18:21.48 | owen1 | is there a way to immitate mac and allow alt+left mouse click to open a url, but WITHOUT copying it into the clipboard? just by hovering over it? |
| 18:22.31 | owen1 | right now i use this - *VT100*translations: #override Meta <Btn1Up>: exec-formatted("x-www-browser '%t'", PRIMARY) |
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| 18:22.48 | owen1 | (in .Xdefaults) but it require marking the url before alt+click |
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| 18:26.30 | shibboleth | i prevented x from autostarting by setting grub_cmdline_linux_default to "text", how do i now start x manually? |
| 18:26.37 | jhutchins | owen1: That's probably up to the window manager/desktop environment. |
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| 18:26.46 | shibboleth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.52 | shibboleth | complains |
| 18:26.55 | owen1 | jhutchins: i use i3 |
| 18:26.57 | jhutchins | shibboleth: Yup. |
| 18:26.58 | e-anima | with wheezy it doesnt seem to be so easy anmore to make the viirtual box guest addions work and habe ful lscreen. i run debian inside virtual box. any ideas? |
| 18:27.08 | jhutchins | shibboleth: Don't autostart gdm instead. |
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| 18:27.40 | shibboleth | jhutchins, so /etc/init.d/gdm3 disable instead? |
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| 18:28.25 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | Guys I have a VERY weird behavior |
| 18:28.26 | jhutchins | shibboleth: Using something like rcconf |
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| 18:28.41 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | maybe someone can point me in the right direction |
| 18:28.56 | shibboleth | jhutchins, i meant update-rc.d gdm3 disable |
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| 18:30.28 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | I have a keyboard which works fine (tested on another PC), however in debian if I press AltGr + ' (Italian keyboard) I obtain => ` (no issue right now). If I do the same with ì or è or + I get a "slow down" (I have to press the buttons 2-3 times to obtain the other character), I obtain ~, [, ] (without commas). So I have no idea what's causing this "slowdown" |
| 18:31.40 | cnodell | I have to ask you experienced Linux administrators: How often do you really use commands like 'join', 'paste', 'split', 'fmt', 'cut' and the like? In my very limited experience administering Linux servers, I rarely use such commands but the LPIC-1 test prep material I am studying insists that such commands are invaluable to proper administration of Linux systems... |
| 18:31.41 | Fire-Dragon-DoL | I have no idea where to look for =\ |
| 18:32.50 | e-anima | if i type sh BirtualBoxLinux....run enter nothing hapnnes |
| 18:32.51 | stoutbox | cnodell: I don't. |
| 18:33.16 | SynrG | cnodell: that's a very traditionalist view |
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| 18:33.58 | SynrG | it's not unreasonable to expect students to know them, however. |
| 18:34.04 | stoutbox | cnodell: it's just another tool in the toolbox. When you're a real live sysadmin, you can do whatever you want that works |
| 18:34.47 | SynrG | cnodell: of those, cut would be the one i use the most often |
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| 18:35.17 | jhutchins | cnodell: I use them a lot in preparing reports that show what's been done with systems, or in surveying systems to see which are running what programs, things like that. |
| 18:35.21 | SynrG | but i find myself reaching for awk or perl for a lot of things those single-purpose commands do |
| 18:36.08 | cnodell | I certainly think they are invaluable when it comes to writing shell scripts but I tend to script most things in python... |
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| 18:36.40 | jhutchins | cnodell: Python's nice, but not universally available. Bash is pretty universal. |
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| 18:37.33 | cnodell | So I guess a follow up question would be: Do you guys see these text processing commands used much outside of scripts? |
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| 18:38.35 | jhutchins | cnodell: Depends on what you consider a script. I use one-liners a log. |
| 18:38.36 | cnodell | jhutchins: While I have yet to come across a linux system lacking python (outside of custom assembled, bare bones systems), I totaly agree. |
| 18:38.39 | jhutchins | s/log/lot/ |
| 18:40.02 | stoutbox | If I am doing anything in a text file, I use less to view, grep to simply echo a portion, or vi/m to edit it. |
| 18:40.20 | stoutbox | I rarely do anything else. |
| 18:40.34 | cnodell | jhutchins: I am betting some of your one liners look pretty script-like to someone with my experience! |
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| 18:41.22 | cnodell | stoutbix: pretty much the same with me. I tend to use wc and cat fairly often as well. |
| 18:41.39 | cnodell | sorry, stoutbox! |
| 18:41.52 | jelly-home | cnodell: one-liner may be more complex than a script, but the difference is in usage -- one liners are often written for some ad-hoc purpose |
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| 18:43.07 | eeelumbella | Hi! I just installed wheezy netinstall and it won't boot |
| 18:43.27 | jhutchins | On the other hand, if I come up with a particularly good one, I'll save it to a file and make a script out of it, or just use it as an example. |
| 18:43.41 | eeelumbella | I get "error: file `/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod´ not found." |
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| 18:43.55 | cnodell | Makes sense. Thanks all for the input! |
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| 18:44.13 | eeelumbella | I tried super grub disk to reinstall grub but it didn't work. Any ideas? |
| 18:44.27 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 18:44.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 18:44.47 | stoutbox | why? |
| 18:45.01 | stoutbox | whoops, missed the rest of the convo |
| 18:45.03 | stoutbox | disregard |
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| 18:46.04 | eeelumbella | jhutchins: i will try that, thanks! |
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| 18:50.01 | WormFood | every time I try to run grub-install, I get a ton of write errors. I've checked and double checked everything, and there is nothing wrong with the drive. Windows runs fine from the same drive. Linux is installed, and I get no errors. I only get errors with grub-install. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:53.47 | WormFood | interestingly enough, if I let it ride through all the write errors, grub-install reports no errors when it finishes. |
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| 19:34.46 | monsune | how do you find a package within installed ones? |
| 19:35.11 | monsune | i mean apt-cache search but for local installed packages |
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| 19:35.41 | babilen | monsune: "aptitude search '~i~nFOO'" would work, grep in the output of "dpkg -l", ... |
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| 19:36.10 | balor | I've just built my first .deb using dpkg-buildpackage. Does .deb have the concept of a source .deb like .rpm has a .srpm? |
| 19:36.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell monsune -about aptitude search |
| 19:36.39 | babilen | balor: It does, yes |
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| 19:37.37 | balor | babilen, ah thanks. I see the .changes file now. |
| 19:37.43 | monsune | many thanks babilen |
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| 19:39.17 | AndreeeCZ | hi guys, what's that thing with firefox and debian? |
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| 19:39.39 | Toofle | you mean the copyright? |
| 19:39.40 | AndreeeCZ | isn't there just usual firefox firefox package? |
| 19:39.55 | AndreeeCZ | Toofle, i see, could you point me to some reading? |
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| 19:40.13 | babilen | balor: You should have a .changes, .dsc, diff.gz and the .orig.tar.{gz,xz,..} |
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| 19:40.50 | monsune | babilen dpkg -S rocked my nutz btw :) |
| 19:40.52 | Toofle | what are you interested in AndreeeCZ |
| 19:41.19 | AndreeeCZ | Toofle, 1. why there isnt a pure firefox package in debian, how do i get ff/iw to work with adblock and others |
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| 19:41.55 | balor | babilen, I have. thanks. |
| 19:41.58 | no_libsoup_for_y | How do I configure apt to prompt me even when there's only one package selected for installation? I tried explicitly setting APT::Get::Assume-Yes to false, but I guess that's not the setting I'm looking for since it hasn't had any effect. |
| 19:42.22 | babilen | monsune: That doesn't search packages, but their content. apt-file is an alternative that doedn't only work on installed files. You should have told me what you were actually trying to achieve. |
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| 19:42.43 | Toofle | Because firefox is copyrighted, we use iceweasel instead |
| 19:42.59 | Toofle | AndreeeCZ, itś the same as firefox. totally, and you can also add extension to it |
| 19:43.44 | babilen | AndreeeCZ: You might want to take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net if you want the latest release and/or beta versions (different release channels such as aurora, beta, ...) |
| 19:44.10 | AndreeeCZ | Toofle, babilen got ya, thanks guys |
| 19:44.16 | no_libsoup_for_y | I think there are a few Debian-specific changes (only regarding updates), but other than that, Iceweasel is just Firefox with a different logo and name. |
| 19:44.22 | Toofle | You're welcome |
| 19:44.26 | monsune | babilen that's what i really meant.. never thought that such thing exists and it is very handy |
| 19:45.00 | babilen | AndreeeCZ: You Iceweasel/FF have a concept of Add-Ons/Plugins that you can install. You should find it somewhere under "Preferences" and you can install them from there. Let me know if you have problems to find it as I can check the exact location. |
| 19:45.28 | monsune | babilen would you know if there is also a tool that allows to browse apt repository in the same way as dpkg -S does for local packages? |
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| 19:45.49 | babilen | monsune: You should *always* tell helpers what you really want .. how else could they help you? I mean if you ask for something but aren't actually interested in the answer then why ask? ;) |
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| 19:45.51 | SynrG | Toofle, AndreeeCZ: copyright isn't the problem. trademark is. |
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| 19:46.09 | babilen | monsune: Yes, I already told you. It is "apt-file" |
| 19:46.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell monsune about apt-file |
| 19:46.29 | Toofle | SynrG, that's the one :) thank you |
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| 19:46.33 | SynrG | i know it sounds the same, but they are covered by different laws and have different implications for inclusion in debian |
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| 19:46.45 | monsune | babilen i have a heavy cold and can't think well today... in fact i wanted dpkg -l at first but i discovered dpkg -S when playing with it and just wanted to share my joy :) |
| 19:47.02 | babilen | monsune: Great, have fun and enjoy apt-file |
| 19:47.35 | monsune | babilen so apt-file = dpkg -S but for remote packages? that's one of the best things i discovered this year ;) thanks so much |
| 19:48.17 | babilen | monsune: Well, rather "all packages" as opposed to "only installed ones", but yeah |
| 19:48.48 | no_libsoup_for_y | Gah, I could've sworn I solved this years ago :s |
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| 19:50.03 | monsune | babilen did you mean all as in local but not installed? |
| 19:50.35 | babilen | monsune: No, as in all packages in archive/available from the repositories you have configured |
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| 19:50.57 | babilen | in *the archive naturally |
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| 19:52.32 | monsune | babilen so is there a difference between apt-file search and dpkg -S then? |
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| 19:53.50 | babilen | monsune: Yes, the latter only searches installed packages |
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| 19:58.32 | monsune | babilen thank you once again, i just read you wrong before |
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| 20:06.22 | cybrNaut- | if I have to recompile a package, should I block all future updates? |
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| 20:07.11 | cybrNaut- | otherwise, upgrades will overwrite the installed version with a binary one.. correct? |
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| 20:13.12 | centrx | cybrNaut-, I suppose. Why are you compiling it? |
| 20:13.41 | cybrNaut- | centrx: lirc does not know my hardware |
| 20:14.11 | cybrNaut- | strangely, i did not have to do anything special with the compilation.. no code changed. |
| 20:14.31 | cybrNaut- | just had to recompile, and then the hardware driver was found |
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| 20:16.57 | baronKupen | I'm unable to login to my Debian system after uninstalling kerberos. I currently have an active terminal open as root into this system. Can anyone in here assist? |
| 20:17.22 | etran | hello, does Debian come with a bittorrent client? |
| 20:17.29 | SynrG | several |
| 20:17.47 | etran | i want to make sure i dont already have a client before i install one |
| 20:18.11 | cybrNaut- | etran: wheezy comes with Transmission |
| 20:18.17 | SynrG | gnome's default client is transmission-gtk |
| 20:18.23 | SynrG | or you can use any of the alternatives |
| 20:18.24 | blz37 | is gradle broken in unstable ? |
| 20:18.34 | etran | i am on xfce, maybe it does not come with one? |
| 20:19.01 | SynrG | etran: personally i prefer using transgui and running a transmission server |
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| 20:19.42 | SynrG | no idea what xfce includes |
| 20:20.11 | SynrG | if there's no menu entry for one under 'Internet' or so, i suppose it's likely there isn't |
| 20:20.42 | etran | OK. I'll install transmission, thanks |
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| 20:21.18 | SynrG | etran: the advantage to running a server is you can use it to mediate all torrent requests from any device in your home network |
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| 20:22.23 | etran | SynrG: the server downloads the torrent on behalf of the client? |
| 20:22.26 | SynrG | transmission-daemon has a web interface, but it's kind of limited compared to transgui |
| 20:22.29 | SynrG | yes |
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| 20:22.45 | SynrG | and i have a couple of android clients that talk to that |
| 20:23.11 | SynrG | tunnelled home over a connectbot tunnel so i don't have to expose that port |
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| 20:30.28 | ffog | I read that Xorg should be on tty7, but it appears on tty8. Any insight? |
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| 20:32.31 | somiaj | ffog: many things effect that. By default tty1-6 are consoles and xorg takes the first free one. This can be changed in many ways including configureing the dm to specificy which one to be on |
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| 20:35.40 | jhutchins | ffog: Is that a problem? |
| 20:35.56 | jhutchins | ffog: Do you have a regular tty on 7? |
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| 20:37.02 | SynrG | ffog: it might happen that X is started before the previous one is terminated. might happen after something crashed Xorg, for example, or in normal circumstances if you just 'switch user' |
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| 20:39.11 | ffog | yes that's what happened |
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| 20:39.16 | ffog | okl thanks |
| 20:39.23 | ffog | i had to kill xorg the other day |
| 20:39.40 | SlashLife | Morning. |
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| 20:39.43 | SlashLife | Where would you usually put firewall / traffic shaping scripts to have their rules loaded automatically? |
| 20:40.11 | Reelax | Hi, how can i create macros in Debian ? Such as move mouse, click this position, enter text etc ? |
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| 20:41.46 | SerajewelKS | i just installed jessie on my system. install went without a hitch. when booting into the new system, the entire thing freezes at "waiting for /dev to be fully populated." i can ctrl+alt+del to reboot, but other than that the system is unresponsive. HD light is off. |
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| 20:42.01 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure how to go about diagnosing this |
| 20:43.30 | fjsa | I installed GNOME via "apt-get install gdm3 gnome-terminal synaptic" to avoid lots of bloat; my problem is that I cannot find any themes even though i manually install packages later on |
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| 20:44.55 | jhutchins | !iptables |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 20:45.30 | SerajewelKS | i have the same problem (boot stuck at "waiting for /dev to be fully populated") when using jessie-based live cds |
| 20:45.45 | SlashLife | jhutchins: Thanks. :) |
| 20:45.47 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: A firewall can't really protect the system it's on, only systems downstram of it. All packets are received by the kernel to determine what should be done with them. |
| 20:46.01 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: wrong guy |
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| 20:46.11 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Yep. |
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| 20:52.56 | somiaj | Reelax: Depends, isolate where you want this macro. Do you want a shell script (something that works in a shell/terminal) or something that works in X, if so that will be dependent on the window manager/desktop you use. |
| 20:53.29 | somiaj | Reelax: for exmple if you are running gnome and want mouse/key bindings, look up 'debian mouse bindings gnome' or something like that in google (: |
| 20:54.09 | endogen | I installed Debian 7.(x?) on a new machine. The disk configuration was that it had a small /boot partition(ext4) at the beginning of the disk(sda1) and a luks encrypted volume on sda5, and within that encrypted volume was an LVM group with root, home, and swap volumes. When I start my machine it tries to open up the LVM volumes first - but can't find them, of course, since they are unencrypted. But when I try to decrypt them it says one of |
| 20:54.37 | endogen | I am on the Live-CD portion of the disc I installed from. I am going to see how to use luks from here and open sda5 |
| 20:54.49 | endogen | I am certain I have the right passphrase |
| 20:55.08 | SynrG | your first statement was truncated due to hitting max length |
| 20:55.16 | endogen | Damn. Where does it stop? |
| 20:55.19 | SynrG | we saw "But when I try to decrypt them it says one of" |
| 20:55.31 | endogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.33 | endogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.39 | endogen | Stupid ncurses thing |
| 20:56.51 | SynrG | endogen: for irssi there is splitlong.pl |
| 20:57.02 | endogen | Oh, thank you. |
| 20:57.04 | SynrG | in irssi-scripts |
| 20:57.15 | SynrG | just autoload it |
| 20:57.52 | endogen | This dmesg is enormous. I saw when I booted this livecd that it was not able to load crypto_luks .deb or whatever. man -k luks or crypt doesn't return anything, so I don't think I have the software to try and open it. |
| 20:57.58 | SynrG | as for your luks issue, sorry, i'm lacking in experience there. |
| 20:58.08 | endogen | :[ |
| 20:58.11 | baronKupen | anyone want to help my PAM issue :-)? |
| 20:58.27 | endogen | baronKupen: install bsdauth |
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| 20:59.02 | AndreeeCZ | whats the printscreen button name? |
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| 20:59.43 | jhutchins | endogen: Pipe dmesg through less. Lets you scroll and search. |
| 20:59.48 | SynrG | AndreeeCZ: the keysym? Print |
| 21:00.00 | AndreeeCZ | SynrG, thank you |
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| 21:00.20 | baronKupen | endogen: there is no package of that name on wheezy |
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| 21:01.48 | jhutchins | baronKupen: Reinstall kerberos. |
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| 21:01.59 | endogen | Juzzy: Regardless I can't find the error message I saw while booting up. |
| 21:02.25 | endogen | baronKupen: I wasn't a package but some kind of kernel module. I didn't write it down. |
| 21:02.48 | endogen | Basically I don't have tools to work against my real problem - that LVM is trying to be loaded before the LUKS volume is decrypted. |
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| 21:02.54 | baronKupen | jhutchins: I'm not interested in using kerberos. I don't want to deal with it anymore. I want things to go back to what they were before I installed Kerberos. |
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| 21:03.04 | endogen | But also that my crypto volume doesn't accept the proper password |
| 21:03.12 | endogen | "Are you sure it is the proper password?" |
| 21:03.22 | endogen | Well, if it comes down to that I will have to reinstall. |
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| 21:03.34 | jhutchins | baronKupen: You'll have to undo whatever else you did to enable it then. |
| 21:04.11 | baronKupen | jhutchins: I don't know what I did to cause this in the first place. I have root access right now, why can't I fix it without having to install kerberos again? |
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| 21:04.48 | jhutchins | baronKupen: I don't know. I don't know what you did either, and I have less chance of figuring it out. |
| 21:05.19 | jhutchins | endogen: Sometimes the pause key works during boot. |
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| 21:05.54 | endogen | jhutchins: I don't have a pause key on my keyboard |
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| 21:06.31 | jhutchins | endogen: This won't be one of those times then. |
| 21:07.34 | jhutchins | endogen: I guess the deal is that if it were easy to get around a missing/mistaken/mistyped/corrupt password, encryption wouldn't be much good. |
| 21:07.41 | Reelax | somiaj: i wanna enter the values in a text file, and want the script move mouse , enter a variable value into each textbox, scoll mouse. |
| 21:08.03 | Reelax | somiaj: so if its silightly programmable , it'd be cool |
| 21:08.54 | endogen | jhutchins: I think it is a misconfiguration. Even if I did not have the correct password memorized, it should not be trying to look for LVM volumes right at boot - it should know that I have to type in a password to open up the crypto volume. |
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| 21:10.42 | xreal | I've compiled optional libraries to /opt/myapp/lib ... how do I insert them to the system correctly? Add the path to LD_CONFIG_PATH or symlink to /usr/lib, like stow does? |
| 21:10.50 | SerajewelKS | apologies for the potato... jessie freezes at this point during boot, right after an install (which had no issues): https://www.dropbox.com/sc/dk1lmoxfv5k2zax/OtJS--jEgi |
| 21:11.12 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure how to diagnose this issue. i've tried disabling nouveau and that doesn't seem to help. |
| 21:11.49 | SerajewelKS | squeeze boots without issue |
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| 21:13.19 | tytan | When I upgrade my Notebook to 2GB of RAM it can't decompress the kernel :( |
| 21:13.30 | SerajewelKS | i suppose i should use #debian-next on OFTC... |
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| 21:14.04 | jhutchins | tytan: Downgrade, verfy that the new ram is the problem. Swap. |
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| 21:14.47 | tytan | jhutchins: O.k. done. The RAM seems to be fine |
| 21:14.48 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: You'll find more of the people there are familiar with jessie, yes. |
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| 21:15.09 | jhutchins | tytan: So it boots fine with either module, just not with both? |
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| 21:15.32 | SynrG | SerajewelKS: possibly, yes |
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| 21:17.28 | tytan | jhutchins: 1 256MB fine. 2 256MB fine. 1 1GB fail. 2 1GB fail. 1 256MB + 1 1GB fine. |
| 21:17.46 | tytan | It sais it can't decompress the kernel |
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| 21:18.23 | zinx | tytan: some boards don't support 2GB, though i'd run a memory tester of some sort |
| 21:18.47 | zinx | tytan: note that different speeds/brands of ram can sometimes cause issues as well (not supposed to, but it can) |
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| 21:20.13 | tytan | It's an Acer Travelmate 4050 and I bought 2X 1GB PC2700 DDR 333MHz |
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| 21:20.25 | zinx | run memtest86+ |
| 21:20.58 | jhutchins | tytan: Motherboard memory limit? |
| 21:21.06 | tytan | 2GB |
| 21:21.55 | jhutchins | Wierdthough, 1 1G fail. |
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| 21:21.56 | zinx | also note that the processor on that needs PC3200 |
| 21:22.44 | zinx | (you can get anything 3200 or higher, but PC2700 is probably not going to work, or work poorly, as it's doing for you) |
| 21:22.48 | tytan | The original memory is also PC2700 |
| 21:22.53 | zinx | oh? |
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| 21:24.47 | zinx | maybe they had some that would run higher than rated, that's not uncommon |
| 21:24.56 | zinx | i can't recommend anything less than PC3200 for it, though :/ |
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| 21:25.51 | tytan | When I enter the BIOS it tells me to have "Extended Memory = 2031MB" when the new RAM is installed |
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| 21:26.32 | zinx | hmm 855GME itself is spec'd for 333MHz |
| 21:26.39 | zinx | tytan: yes, it's supposed to |
| 21:27.07 | zinx | tytan: run memtest86+ |
| 21:27.19 | tytan | freezes |
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| 21:27.50 | babilen | tytan: Same result with both 1G modules? |
| 21:27.53 | zinx | tytan: return ram for a refund. you can run it with 256MB+1GB in the system if you want, but it will likely freeze as soon as it touches the 1GB prortion. |
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| 21:29.31 | muhbb | Hi guys. The battery indicator (xfce-power-manager) is always showing discharging 100%... been using the thing for an hour now so it should be at 70% or so. Anyone got a idea why this is not working? |
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| 21:30.46 | tytan | :( |
| 21:31.16 | Aeiri | muhbb: maybe you have an awesome battery! |
| 21:32.07 | Aeiri | muhbb: try `acpi` in terminal, it should report what ACPI thinks your battery is at |
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| 21:33.19 | muhbb | acpi is also showing 100% discharing, i should note that in the xfce-power-manager it shows the right model (sony blabla) and all. |
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| 21:52.00 | endogen | I have an encrypted system with ext2 as the filesystem for /boot. I'm worried if there is a power issue or otherwise that /boot may become corrupted and so my keys. Are my fears valid? I will probably may a backup of the keys anyways. |
| 21:52.30 | endogen | Can I upgrade an ext2 partition to an ext4? I'm on Debian 7, and I don't know if I can boot from an ext2 partition. |
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| 21:53.18 | IMM0rtalis | hi@all |
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| 21:54.14 | IMM0rtalis | anyone here with knwoledge of postfix and mail delivery-problems? i can send mails but i cannot receive them :-/ |
| 21:54.34 | IMM0rtalis | and there is nothing in my logs |
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| 21:58.09 | somiaj | IMM0rtalis: could it be your isp? |
| 21:58.22 | LV-426 | for anyone interested, seems like there's an open bug related to my initramfs issue - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616689 |
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| 22:00.34 | endogen | IMM0rtalis: Can you set your PTR records? |
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| 22:15.09 | e-anima | i want to remove the gnome games with synaptic. if i chose to deinstall it say...To be removed GNOME |
| 22:15.16 | e-anima | i dontwant to remove gnome only the games |
| 22:15.40 | cybrNaut- | trying to "pin" a version, by updating /etc/apt/preferences. It seems to be ignored |
| 22:15.50 | zinx | e-anima: 'gnome' is a meta-package that includes all of gnome |
| 22:15.56 | cybrNaut- | why might /etc/apt/preferences be ignored? |
| 22:16.08 | e-anima | so i cant deintsall the games? |
| 22:16.26 | cybrNaut- | i gave the version that's installed (after running aptitude show <package>) |
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| 22:17.58 | tytan | I read the responses on amazon. other people have the same issue with their memory :( |
| 22:18.26 | e-anima | zinx so i cant install the games? |
| 22:18.32 | e-anima | deinstall i mean |
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| 22:20.24 | zinx | e-anima: you can, and that will remove the gnome meta-package. you just need to not uninstall the other things the gnome meta-package depends on |
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| 22:23.24 | e-anima | zinx thank you |
| 22:24.00 | Strath | I am having a dificult time replacing the boot drive on my system, the system was built in 2010, it is using grub, partitioned new drive and rsync'd old drive to new drive under live usb. can not get grub to install on new drive says i'm missing a "BIOS Boot partition", old drive never had one, i've been banging my head against google for the better part of 5 hours, how do i need to set up the new drives partitions to work (non EFI MB) |
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| 22:26.33 | cybrNaut- | can i count on "aptitude versions '~i<package name>'" to give me the currently installed version, which can then be pinned? |
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| 22:30.34 | endogen | I installed Debian 7 on an SSD. Does Debian 7 mkfs to the alignment of the SSD's blocksize, or do I have to specify that with an offset or whatever? |
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| 22:34.25 | Abbott | when you execute cmd1 | cmd2 does it execute them sequentially or at the same time |
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| 22:36.39 | gnugnu9 | So there is an internal, isolated network and their peers should be able to ntp. |
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| 22:36.46 | gnugnu9 | Is there an ntp server for Debian wheezy? |
| 22:36.54 | gnugnu9 | there is a ntp client, I need a ntp server |
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| 22:41.48 | themill | gnugnu9: that's in the ntp package (ntpd is both client and server) |
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| 22:45.31 | gnugnu9 | themill: is there a nice tutorial? |
| 22:46.02 | gnugnu9 | themill: because the one I found either describe how to configure the _client_ to use local ntp server or do some stupid cron stuff. |
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| 22:46.40 | robshack21 | wikileaks.org |
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| 22:48.08 | gnugnu9 | ? |
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| 22:50.01 | tytan | I'm on Debian 6. How do I upgrade from Terminal to Debian 7? Is there something like "apt-get dist-upgrade" for this process? |
| 22:50.09 | robshack21 | wikileaks.org |
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| 22:51.56 | SynrG | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:51.56 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 22:53.12 | robshack21 | wikileaks.org |
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| 22:54.14 | tytan | robshack21: what about it? |
| 22:54.33 | tytan | dpkg is kinda creepy |
| 22:54.33 | dpkg | tytan: i haven't a clue |
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| 22:58.07 | tytan | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 22:58.07 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 22:58.55 | tytan | dpkg: what's the meaning of life? |
| 22:58.57 | dpkg | tytan: are you using Windows? |
| 22:59.01 | SynrG | please don't play with the bot. yes it is. you can privately message it for more info |
| 22:59.24 | tytan | SynrG: O.k. :D Sorry |
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| 23:00.06 | tytan | But what do you mean by playing with it? Is it capable of learning? |
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| 23:00.58 | SynrG | it is. we use the public messages here to help with support |
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| 23:01.39 | SynrG | but if you are helping yourself, message the bot instead |
| 23:01.45 | tytan | So it really is a tool ... cool ^_^ |
| 23:01.54 | SynrG | yup |
| 23:02.12 | John_P_ | could anyone help me to get squid in transparent mode to work without loosing https support ? ( CONNECT ) |
| 23:02.14 | IMM0rtalis | endogen: what are PTR-records? do you mean the zonefile? |
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| 23:02.25 | IMM0rtalis | endogen: what are PTR-records? do you mean the zonefile? http://paste.debian.net/89366/ |
| 23:02.33 | shibboleth | Does anyone know how to disable search/indexing in gnome/wheezy? |
| 23:02.58 | IMM0rtalis | i can send but not receive mails :-/ |
| 23:03.05 | shibboleth | I *hate it* when vendors are forcing search/indexing down our throats |
| 23:04.15 | John_P_ | Squid Acces-LOG said: "1395613339.555 1 192.168.1.1 NONE/409 3830 CONNECT www.google.com:443 - HIER_NONE/- text/html" |
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| 23:12.25 | IMM0rtalis | can anyone pls help me with my zonefile? i get status: SERVFAIL :-/ paste.debian.net/89366 |
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| 23:14.54 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 23:15.10 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Are you asking about mail or about DNS? |
| 23:15.44 | jhutchins | shibboleth: Yeah, really hate what kde did. I stopped using it. |
| 23:15.48 | IMM0rtalis | both.. i tried the mailproblem and now i got status: SERVFAIL when i type "dig webvation.de" |
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| 23:16.07 | shibboleth | jhutchins, gnome |
| 23:16.13 | IMM0rtalis | but with dig @localhost dig webvation.de it seems fine |
| 23:16.31 | scooty_puff | what is a good dxf viewer for debian? |
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| 23:18.28 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: I get a good response when I dig webvation.de |
| 23:18.36 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: There is no MX record. |
| 23:18.37 | IMM0rtalis | hmm update-problem? |
| 23:18.50 | IMM0rtalis | no mx record? :-/ |
| 23:18.54 | IMM0rtalis | but there should be one |
| 23:19.56 | IMM0rtalis | my serv-hostname is BGstyleSrv01.webvation.de but i want receive mails with mail.webvation.de |
| 23:20.00 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Are you updating ns1.first-ns.de? |
| 23:20.35 | IMM0rtalis | ns1.first-ns.de is a nameserv provided by hetzner.de .. how should i update their nameserver? |
| 23:21.19 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: You'll have to contact them. |
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| 23:21.42 | jhutchins | You are correct though that ns1.webvation.de is not working. |
| 23:21.49 | jhutchins | !dns |
| 23:22.15 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: now it isn't working for you either? |
| 23:22.43 | IMM0rtalis | any idea whats wrong with my zonefile? paste.debian.net/89366 |
| 23:22.45 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
| 23:22.57 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: I've never worked with ipv6 in bind. |
| 23:23.45 | IMM0rtalis | the nameserver worked already. but not the mailreceiving. |
| 23:23.46 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Any errors in the logs? |
| 23:24.18 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: You don't have a public MX record at this time. Which do you want to work on, mail, or dns? |
| 23:24.42 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: You have ttl defined twice |
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| 23:25.03 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: first dns, i think this is more important |
| 23:25.08 | IMM0rtalis | one error maybe: zone webvation.de/IN: journal rollforward failed: journal out of sync with zone |
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| 23:25.31 | AndreeeCZ | hi. Whats the jackd2 package in debian? |
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| 23:26.13 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: What dns server are you running? |
| 23:26.31 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: bind9 |
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| 23:29.57 | jhutchins | It could be something in your .conf, but try: stop bind, increment the serial number, start bind, check for errors. |
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| 23:32.34 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: i stopped bind, removed the jnl-files, increased the serial and now this error is gone, but now i see: zone webvation.de/IN: mail.webvation.de/MX 'BGstyleSrv01.webvation.de' has no address records (A or AAAA) |
| 23:32.58 | IMM0rtalis | i think i need an entyr for BGstyleSrv01.webvation.de |
| 23:33.03 | IMM0rtalis | the hostname of the server |
| 23:33.10 | dmi3on | ati driver is installed and working, truetype fonts are also installed everything is good, except reading hearts my eyes :(((, i cant figure out whats wrong its almost like double image |
| 23:33.26 | dmi3on | any one has any suggestions ? |
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| 23:33.39 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Only if you want to address it that way, but I think the MX entry is incorrect. |
| 23:34.03 | dmi3on | i am not kind new this is first time like this issues i have, i have fedora on laptop and its all fine |
| 23:34.18 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: lines 22/23 do not look right to me. |
| 23:34.38 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: i will that BGstyleSrv01 is the servers name, but i want the mails go through mail.webvation.de |
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| 23:35.12 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: what do you think i should insert there? |
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| 23:36.05 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: you need an A record for mail, and an MX record that points to mail.webvation.de |
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| 23:36.44 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: you mean change line 23 to "MX 10 mail.webvation.de" ? |
| 23:37.39 | jhutchins | No, line 23 is incorrect there. |
| 23:38.05 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: remove the whole line? |
| 23:38.08 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: line 15 is the mx record. |
| 23:38.34 | jhutchins | If anything, 23 should be the AAAA for mail. |
| 23:38.51 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: line 24 is for AAAA |
| 23:39.20 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Right, so 23 delete. |
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| 23:40.12 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: ok, well, no more log-errors so far |
| 23:40.49 | shibboleth | is it debian customization or does gnome 3 really not have screensavers? |
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| 23:41.35 | shibboleth | i cant find a way of changing it, there is squat about screensavers in settings |
| 23:41.36 | IMM0rtalis | but with mxtoolbox.com i still get "smtpbgstylesrv01.webvation.de Failed To Connect" and "smtpbgstylesrv01.webvation.de IP Resolution Error" |
| 23:41.48 | jhutchins | Still not getting MX. |
| 23:41.51 | fhdrin | your right, maybe use xscreensaver?? |
| 23:42.07 | shibboleth | fhdrin, say what? |
| 23:42.22 | shibboleth | there is even a process called "gnome-screensaver" running |
| 23:42.26 | fhdrin | gnome3 doesn't have any screensaver that i know of |
| 23:42.28 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: I need to run an errand, read the docs I linked above and I'll be back later. There may be others who can help while I'm gone. |
| 23:42.47 | federica | ciao |
| 23:42.52 | federica | !lista |
| 23:42.54 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: I'm not getting the servfail. |
| 23:42.54 | fhdrin | yeah, but not the full-featured screensaver we're thinking of. i like xscreensaver. |
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| 23:43.32 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: hmm.. ok, thx so far, but i don't think there is anyone on for this problem xD |
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| 23:44.28 | windowser | hi |
| 23:44.40 | crafty1 | shibboleth: gnome screensaver is basically just to lock the screen |
| 23:44.48 | windowser | why does kwrite use 20MB of ram... notepad on windows uses 2MB |
| 23:44.57 | crafty1 | shibboleth: apt-get install xscreensaver and remove the other |
| 23:45.19 | windowser | i mean some instances of kwrite use 2-5MB, but the one with 25-40 KILOBYTES of text is using 20MB of ram |
| 23:45.27 | viscera | windowser: kwrite is a lot more powerful than notepad, for a start |
| 23:45.31 | crafty1 | shibboleth: I generally write a small bash script to lock then drag to desktop |
| 23:45.32 | raspix | k545 |
| 23:45.45 | windowser | viscera, i dont deny it isnt, but still dont see justification of that ram usage |
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| 23:46.04 | viscera | windowser: you can probably connect a debugger and see what's being used... shrug |
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| 23:46.21 | windowser | so is wordpad more powerful than notepad, yet wordpad uses 2.5MB |
| 23:46.42 | windowser | viscera, thats not good idea.. im out of memory, using swap file.. |
| 23:46.50 | windowser | i better not run another program |
| 23:47.16 | windowser | and im running in VM and reading/writing to swap at speed of 5-10MB/s... |
| 23:47.28 | crafty1 | shibboleth: btw one you have xscreensaver the command is xscreensaver-command -lock |
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| 23:48.25 | dupi | Im missing a folder i dont know the name of, http://pastebin.com/ZJ6wYD3a how do i fix this? :( |
| 23:48.47 | shibboleth | ok, so to make this clear: debian and gnome didnt really think anyone would ever need a screensaver? |
| 23:48.53 | IMM0rtalis | anyone here with a good knowledge in dns-zonefiles? |
| 23:49.01 | shibboleth | because there is no settings for it, anywhere |
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| 23:49.03 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 23:49.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:49.09 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, sure, I do |
| 23:49.27 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, i seem to be *totally* outsmarted by frakking gnome though |
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| 23:50.20 | endogen | When I plugged in my AC adapter my system froze. This made me very sad. How do I find out why this happened? |
| 23:50.20 | shibboleth | crafty1, come again? |
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| 23:50.50 | shibboleth | crafty1, i have to manually start the screensaver, there is no setting in gnome to automate/time it? |
| 23:50.53 | crafty1 | shibboleth: I also dislike gnome and KDE screensaver. Replace it with Xscreensaver apt-get install xscreensaver |
| 23:51.27 | crafty1 | There should be a way to autostart scripts on startup or login |
| 23:51.32 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: this is my zonefile, my servers-hostname is BGstyleSrv01.webvation.de ... i dont get a mx-record :-/ http://paste.debian.net/89370/ |
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| 23:52.27 | crafty1 | In KDE I search for autostart in the "start menu", because yes otherwise you must start the daemon manually. Gnome should have something similar. I also place a script on the desktop to lock quickly |
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| 23:53.13 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, you cannot resolve mail.webvation.de? |
| 23:53.59 | shibboleth | crafty1, im not talking about a script to start the screensaver, is there really no frakking way of making gnome start screensaver Y after X minutes? |
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| 23:54.47 | somiaj | shibboleth: there is, look up 'gnome autostart application' in google. I don't use gnome so I can't tell you the suggested way, but I think it is making a .desktop or similar file and putting it in an autostart dir |
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| 23:55.02 | crafty1 | Again, yes what somiaj the DE has a built in method |
| 23:55.04 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: i think i can, with "dig mail.webvation.de" i get NOERROR and good A-records and with "dig mx mail.webvation.de" i get mx-records |
| 23:55.43 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: but i think the mailserver is still not available |
| 23:55.45 | crafty1 | My script explanation was just a shortcut for not having to run xscreensaver-command -lock everytime I want to lock. I can just click an icon. |
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| 23:56.08 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, i can look up mx pointers for webvation just fine? |
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| 23:56.39 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: could it be more a postfix-problem? |
| 23:57.06 | shibboleth | crafty1/somiaj: to be clear, i am not looking for anything to do with scripts. is there really no GUI way of enabling and/or changing screensavers in gnome 3? |
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| 23:57.25 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, what is your main problem anyway? |
| 23:58.14 | crafty1 | For the third time yes. I guess Im confusing you by adding more on. Gnome should have some sort of autorun. |
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| 23:58.52 | shibboleth | crafty1, it does |
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| 23:59.44 | crafty1 | Yeah, I mean I'm currently not using X but if it's anything like KDE you should be able to add an app to be run at login/startup. Add xscreensaver. |
