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| 00:00.58 | doublehp | Brigo: pyneibourhood can list servers and shared folders, but can not see the content of shares |
| 00:01.17 | DANtheBEASTman | is there a better way than chmod 775 every file? |
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| 00:01.59 | dondelelcaro | DANtheBEASTman: yes. |
| 00:02.18 | DANtheBEASTman | i'm all ears |
| 00:02.18 | dondelelcaro | DANtheBEASTman: you should either have php scripts running as a different user who can read those files, or give the web server the ability to read them. |
| 00:02.24 | Brigo | doublehp, i dont know, but in the package description talks about "mount monitor" so i think it espect you mount the shares. |
| 00:02.54 | dondelelcaro | DANtheBEASTman: having php scripts run as a different user is generally the prefered method unless you only are serving a single site |
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| 00:04.04 | doublehp | Brigo: if can not mount them itself, what's the use ? |
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| 00:04.30 | Brigo | you can access them like a normal directory. |
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| 00:05.09 | doublehp | can't any tool mount them for me ??? |
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| 00:07.04 | Brigo | doublehp, i dont know, sorry. |
| 00:07.36 | doublehp | why did they remove xsmbrowser ... |
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| 00:12.51 | doublehp | so few people ever browse Windows networks from Linux ? |
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| 00:13.27 | cafuego | a what network? |
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| 00:13.50 | microsoftlessjon | ircs://debian/ ircs://Debian/ ircs://flood/ irc://debian/ http://www.debian.org |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | doublehp: lots of people |
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| 00:15.49 | doublehp | abrotman: with which app ? |
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| 00:18.08 | abrotman | doublehp: there are many, perhaps you could give more details? |
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| 00:20.30 | doublehp | abrotman: not have 500M of deps. xmsbrowser is deprecated. pyNeiborhood can list servers, but does not mount, thus i can not see the content of shares |
| 00:22.11 | petn-randall | doublehp: Use something that builds on gvfs, like thunar, nautilus or ... (what ever the file browser is called in KDE). |
| 00:22.15 | doublehp | abrotman: i have Windows XP in virtualbox, but, tonight, it decided to not discover my LAN. (ok, this one has 10GB of deps ^^ ) |
| 00:22.44 | Brigo | doublehp, i think it can show shares. |
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| 00:22.53 | doublehp | petn-randall: I use E, i used to love Konqueror, but now it sux. Never used Gnome in my life |
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| 00:23.15 | centrx | doublehp, apt-cache search samba client shows smb2www - web interface |
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| 00:24.30 | Brigo | doublehp, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=888674 |
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| 00:26.01 | doublehp | brigo I *did* install gksu, so there should not be any issue around sudo |
| 00:26.12 | doublehp | brigo i did not get any gksu popup |
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| 00:28.56 | abrotman | doublehp: So you need something to browse a Windows system because Windows won't talk to your LAN/ |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:29.32 | Brigo | doublehp, i was talking about pyneiborhood, not gksudo. |
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| 00:29.53 | doublehp | it's 6-7 years xsmbrowser is broken for me, and I need a new GUI to browse the network ... for general purpose, and daily use. Both Windows and Samba servers |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | doublehp: so smb4k is bad because it's KDE-based? |
| 00:30.37 | doublehp | Brigo: your tuto is outdated; my interface is completely different from what they explain |
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| 00:31.09 | doublehp | abrotman: I am updating some deps for smb4k - may take a few days |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | what? |
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| 00:32.08 | abrotman | it's a binary package |
| 00:34.02 | doublehp | abrotman: my debian is short of space; large packages are to be installed on my gentoo; and this is PITA. Small packages are first tried in Debian |
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| 00:40.54 | doublehp | centrx: https://ftp.samba.org/pub/samba/smb2www/ ... I had not used Netscape since I was at school in 1999 ... the uninstalled it in 2001 |
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| 00:40.59 | MarlboroBox | hueee |
| 00:41.12 | xparanoik | ? |
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| 00:44.00 | doublehp | centrx: I don't understand how to configure/use it. Package did not create the cgi subdir in /var/www ... and does not provide any CGI template |
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| 00:44.37 | abrotman | I'm sure it has documentation |
| 00:45.24 | centrx | I never stopped using Netscape... |
| 00:45.34 | skytrash | boom |
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| 00:45.54 | skytrash | communicator |
| 00:46.10 | dvs | Mosaic! |
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| 00:46.25 | doublehp | centrx: I can't even remember if Netscape was installed on the Win NT4 or Sun Solaris machines |
| 00:46.33 | skytrash | on a brand new 14.4 |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | hi, #debian here |
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| 00:49.36 | kdworak | Can anyone tell me why du -a is giving me directories and du -ah is giving me files in K? this is the full command im running. du -a --exclude=/proc /*|sort -n|tail -5 |
| 00:49.41 | kdworak | doing this on a centos server |
| 00:49.45 | kdworak | vm |
| 00:50.06 | sysvalve | kdworak: why wouldn't you ask in #centos, or similar? |
| 00:50.30 | doublehp | kdworak: check your aliases |
| 00:50.38 | kdworak | im running irssi, so dont have a full list of rooms, thought it would be ok here |
| 00:50.42 | abrotman | no, really, ask #centos or ##linux |
| 00:51.04 | kdworak | cant talk in linux for some reason, says cannot send to channel or something |
| 00:51.12 | kdworak | doublehp: will do |
| 00:51.14 | doublehp | kdworak: -h giving K sounds fine to me |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | you have to register, /msg nickserv help |
| 00:51.32 | centrx | "man du" shows these arguments are giving the expected results... |
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| 00:51.38 | abrotman | or go help him in #centos |
| 00:51.49 | kdworak | do i need to register while in #linux? |
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| 00:51.53 | kdworak | obviously i can talk here |
| 00:52.24 | centrx | kdworak, Different channels have different settings. |
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| 00:58.56 | xparanoik | how could I recover a session that was disconnected but still running? |
| 00:59.07 | xparanoik | from pts/3 go back to pts/2 |
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| 01:34.39 | crumb | how do i stop upstart-socket-bridge |
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| 01:38.50 | centrx | crumb, What is that? |
| 01:39.07 | crumb | you tell me, it's running in my debian setup |
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| 01:40.24 | centrx | crumb, uninstall upstart, install sysvinit ? |
| 01:41.57 | cafuego | crumb: You want to stop processes without knowing what they are? |
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| 01:42.15 | cafuego | 'kswapd' is using a bunch of cpu too ;-P |
| 01:42.37 | crumb | cafuego: i don't have this dangling poop on any other distro |
| 01:42.55 | cafuego | the question is its own answer. how zen. |
| 01:42.56 | dvs | they have the whole pile! |
| 01:43.35 | crumb | ok so is it safe to kill upstart-socket-bridge |
| 01:43.40 | centrx | crumb, It's not from Debian either unless you chose to install upstart or are actually using Ubuntu |
| 01:43.55 | crumb | i'm not running ubuntu |
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| 01:44.19 | cafuego | Are you running sid? |
| 01:44.38 | crumb | 7.1 |
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| 01:51.18 | cafuego | and what does dpkg -S upstart-socket-bridge say about the package it's from? |
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| 02:04.50 | JoshuaP | if im running a 64-bit system, would it be a bad idea to remove everything that is :i386? |
| 02:05.42 | somiaj | JoshuaP: you can run 32bit binaries on a 64 bit system and need those i386 libaries to do so. |
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| 02:05.58 | somiaj | JoshuaP: provided you don't need any 32bit binaries or do't have any third party ones you like to run (such as skype) you can remove them |
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| 02:06.12 | JoshuaP | ah |
| 02:06.45 | centrx | I don't have any i386 packages on my amd64 system |
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| 02:10.35 | converge | where do people use to buy 1U servers ? |
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| 02:15.10 | doublehp | converge: ? |
| 02:15.25 | doublehp | Apple have some |
| 02:15.45 | converge | doublehp: I wanna know where is a nice place to buy 1U servers |
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| 02:16.12 | doublehp | Dell also should have some dell.com |
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| 02:16.41 | doublehp | 1U is deprecated; people now use slicable servers |
| 02:17.34 | somiaj | converge: not really on topic for #debian |
| 02:17.39 | doublehp | 4U or 6U servers may be more powerfull than 4x1U ... |
| 02:18.25 | converge | doublehp: Im looking for something a bit better than tower server, isnt 1U enought ? |
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| 02:19.50 | doublehp | converge: really depends on what you do with it: storage, computing, web server, simulation, CAD ... in some cases PS3 does better than any 1U ... |
| 02:20.50 | doublehp | rendering, vectorial computing ... 1U will for sure use more electric power !!! |
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| 02:23.06 | converge | doublehp: I need 2ghz, 8gb ram, 500gb disk for a web server (magento, wordpress, small private php system), mysql, email server (50 accounts), file server and run openerp with postgresql with 3 or 4 vm's (kvm) |
| 02:23.07 | doublehp | 1U are very noisy, and use power. They are usually more reliable on long term, have better fans; but, as they use more power, they don't last as good as smaller machine on a given UPS. |
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| 02:25.21 | natan | show |
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| 02:25.27 | dvs | hide |
| 02:25.56 | converge | doublehp: after 1U, what's the next choice ? (thinking about price) |
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| 02:26.48 | pozican | Can anyone more familiar with opengl, mesa, video card drivers help me understand what is holding me back as far as the 'shading language version' - http://bpaste.net/show/OMiCvHGLV4pBpnzvmmXD/ |
| 02:27.18 | pozican | Trying to figure out if I need to jump ship to closed drivers, or just start compiling newer versions of mesa |
| 02:27.52 | Plazma | so is it possible to map ctrl+alt to Mod4/(windows key) in xmodmap or something? on a thinkpad that doesn't hav ea windows key and i wanted to use it as a modifier to navigate a tiling wm |
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| 02:28.33 | doublehp | converge: I designed my own desktop 3y ago, for 800ยค, and it was way more powerfull than what you ask for : AMD64 quad 3G, 2G, 2T, Gigabit, 3DVI+3VGA... I am surprised you can't find what you need today ... |
| 02:29.01 | juboba | hey, I'm trying to install some packages and I'm getting: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 02:29.01 | juboba | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 02:29.01 | juboba | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 02:29.01 | juboba | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 02:29.01 | juboba | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
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| 02:29.17 | juboba | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.19 | juboba | E: Broken packages |
| 02:29.21 | juboba | sorry |
| 02:29.56 | juboba | I'm getting this: http://paste.debian.net/89638/ |
| 02:30.15 | juboba | what happened with my apt? |
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| 02:30.40 | converge | doublehp: I did the same some years ago, it's a tower server, but I dont wanna have lot of tower servers, just wanna have two small 1U or 2U servers pretty with path panel on a rack |
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| 02:32.20 | dvs | juboba: owncloud is not a Debian package. |
| 02:32.34 | juboba | dvs I know |
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| 02:32.45 | doublehp | converge: is your company out of space ? 1U is noisy (and this matters to me - really). Rather than space or price, you should rather spend time thinking about redundancy, and backups |
| 02:34.00 | converge | doublehp: why out of space? sure, that's a good point about redundancy and backups, that's why I need one more server |
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| 02:45.58 | juboba | dvs, can this be because I need to upgrade my packages? |
| 02:46.33 | juboba | according to owncloud this package is intended for debian 6, which I have |
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| 02:47.57 | dvs | juboba: It means that Debian 6 has moved to archive.debian.org |
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| 02:48.57 | juboba | should I change the apt/sources to that address? |
| 02:49.04 | dvs | yes |
| 02:49.48 | juboba | so if I had ftp.cl.debian.org -> ? |
| 02:50.35 | NotJimCarrey | can someone help me out with my wifi? when i run "ifup wlan0", i get "modprobe: FATAL: Module p80211 not found." running kernel 3.13-1-amd64, and ar9285 chipset. p80211.ko is not in any of my /lib/module/ directories |
| 02:50.58 | NotJimCarrey | was working before reboot |
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| 02:51.02 | dvs | juboba: archive.debian.org |
| 02:51.17 | juboba | uhm ok |
| 02:52.01 | dvs | juboba: Oops, what is in the sources.list now? |
| 02:52.19 | dvs | it should say "squeeze" and not "stable" |
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| 03:08.40 | beLiefs | Anyone who's on have any experience with old radeon video cards and the open source ati driver? I'm having a problem with 3D. glxgears works fine, but glxinfo gives error. 3d seems to work, but is hilariously slow. |
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| 03:11.34 | NotJimCarrey | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 03:13.38 | Loudergood | beLiefs: how old are we talking about? |
| 03:13.57 | beLiefs | radeon 7500 pci: rv200 |
| 03:14.21 | beLiefs | as far as I can tell it's still supported by xorg |
| 03:14.34 | Loudergood | have you installed the firmware? |
| 03:14.46 | beLiefs | yes the non-free |
| 03:15.27 | beLiefs | dmesg shows the firmware loading |
| 03:16.38 | beLiefs | I would chalk it up to my old hardware being too old, but I glxinfo | grep render gives this: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
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| 03:19.36 | Loudergood | hmm...I wonder if there isn't another driver installed |
| 03:20.09 | beLiefs | this board does have a nvidia chipset and onboard video, but it's disabled |
| 03:20.23 | beLiefs | I did apt-get purge nvidia* though |
| 03:21.32 | Loudergood | did you clear out the xorg.conf? |
| 03:22.20 | beLiefs | don't have one |
| 03:22.50 | Loudergood | alright, how does the Xorg.0.log look? |
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| 03:23.56 | beLiefs | no errors, [ 16.170] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized radeon |
| 03:29.47 | Loudergood | hmm, I'm stumped |
| 03:29.58 | beLiefs | me too lol. been at it on and off for a week |
| 03:30.26 | Loudergood | I've heard proprietary drivers can mess up mesa? have you tried reinstalling it? |
| 03:30.58 | beLiefs | yeah, I think it was an arch guide i saw that in. had to adapt a lot over, but I think I got it right |
| 03:31.57 | beLiefs | I do remember apt-get removing and apt-get installing a lot of xorg and mesa stuff though. Sorry, it's kind of a blur |
| 03:32.39 | beLiefs | running sid and xfce if that matters at all |
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| 03:33.39 | Loudergood | hmm...only other weird thing I can suggest is to try booting without kms |
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| 03:34.45 | beLiefs | is that just nomodeset in kernel params? |
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| 03:35.02 | Loudergood | yeah |
| 03:35.30 | beLiefs | ok I will try. Thank you for your time. It's much appreciated :) |
| 03:35.39 | Loudergood | I had a laptop with Radeon 7500, but it was 4-5 years ago, no problem |
| 03:35.55 | beLiefs | yeah same here |
| 03:36.08 | beLiefs | Have a thinkpad t41 that runs fine with mobile 7500 |
| 03:36.16 | beLiefs | only difference is that is agp, this is pci |
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| 03:37.39 | fordcars_deb | I had a radeon too |
| 03:37.43 | fordcars_deb | *Have |
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| 03:45.32 | Loudergood | that's the one I had |
| 03:45.52 | Loudergood | this desktop has a 6950 now, feels like overkill since I don't really game anymore |
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| 03:47.40 | beLiefs | right on. Same here. Hard to justify new hardware when not gaming and running linux, but this card lags on the Huntercoin game lol. Flash or any kind of video makes the system unresponsive |
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| 03:48.36 | Loudergood | yeah, I've been trying to remove flash from my life too, but it's so pervasive still |
| 03:48.49 | beLiefs | Would just use the onboard, but I want 2 heads, and the onboard makes the system reboot when memory gets full before swapping |
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| 03:50.47 | beLiefs | I hear ya. I'm so excited for the Maker Movement and crypto currency. Seems like a lot more people going open source :D |
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| 04:09.56 | JoshuaP | how do i set system locale? |
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| 04:12.07 | beLiefs | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 04:13.32 | JoshuaP | thanks |
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| 04:14.11 | beLiefs | :) |
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| 05:00.22 | gamma4 | so im having an issue in which at random times when accessing the file manager from the app's menue, i will get kicked out and go back to the login screen |
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| 05:01.13 | gamma4 | specifically under a light load |
| 05:01.33 | gamma4 | any help would be great, is there a way i can take a log or something to see whats breaking? |
| 05:02.57 | centrx | gamma4, What desktop environment? |
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| 05:03.16 | gamma4 | xfce 4.8 |
| 05:03.48 | gamma4 | centrx, i just updated it today, using sid repositories, but this too unstable |
| 05:04.07 | gamma4 | thunar is my file manager |
| 05:05.13 | centrx | gamma4, Did this happen before you updated? |
| 05:05.19 | gamma4 | no |
| 05:05.30 | gamma4 | i had a basic installation |
| 05:05.35 | centrx | gamma4, Have you checked the list of bugs for the XFCE packages? |
| 05:05.54 | gamma4 | that i have not done |
| 05:06.08 | centrx | It looks like 4.10 is in sid, not 4.8? |
| 05:06.33 | gamma4 | so maybe it didnt fully update? |
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| 05:06.47 | gamma4 | when i go to " about xfce" it says 4.8 |
| 05:07.04 | centrx | Sounds like it didn't, 4.8 is in wheezy/stable |
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| 05:07.26 | beLiefs | running sid here and about xfce gives 4.10 |
| 05:07.38 | centrx | (Note: If you are an expert with these sorts of things, I recommend you at least follow testing instead of unstable) |
| 05:07.43 | centrx | *not an expert |
| 05:07.57 | gamma4 | maybe i didnt update my computer properly |
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| 05:08.18 | beLiefs | apt sources.list has only one line for sid? |
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| 05:09.05 | gamma4 | im not sure |
| 05:09.30 | beLiefs | as root in terminal: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:10.52 | gamma4 | http://pastebin.com/VNF5W21z |
| 05:11.55 | gamma4 | one sec thats not all of it |
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| 05:12.13 | gamma4 | this is all of it |
| 05:12.14 | gamma4 | http://pastebin.com/uYsbPery |
| 05:12.21 | beLiefs | mine has only 1 line: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:12.40 | beLiefs | you are pulling sources from multiple versions |
| 05:13.09 | gamma4 | welp if i edit it to only have that line, can i update and upgrade and fix any errors with my versions? |
| 05:13.17 | beLiefs | in theory |
| 05:14.17 | gamma4 | okay |
| 05:14.19 | gamma4 | ill try that |
| 05:14.21 | gamma4 | adding one line |
| 05:14.40 | beLiefs | hold on, I'll grab you the link I followed for my sid upgrade just in case |
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| 05:16.03 | gamma4 | perfect |
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| 05:17.40 | gamma4 | apt-get update seams nicer |
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| 05:18.07 | beLiefs | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ |
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| 05:18.56 | beLiefs | I skipped testing and went straight from Wheezy to Sid, but it was on a clean netinst |
| 05:18.58 | beLiefs | ymmv |
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| 05:20.20 | gamma4 | apt-get -u dist-upgrade did it |
| 05:20.38 | gamma4 | getting the new packages, lets hope that fixes the instability |
| 05:20.53 | centrx | doesn't think this is going to end well |
| 05:21.22 | beLiefs | agrees, but hopes for the best |
| 05:22.43 | centrx | gamma4, You should really use testing if you're not familiar with basic Debian system administration |
| 05:22.54 | centrx | gamma4, Or stick with stable |
| 05:22.59 | beLiefs | ^ |
| 05:23.23 | gamma4 | thanks |
| 05:23.41 | gamma4 | its not my daily driver so i dont mind learning how to fix |
| 05:23.49 | gamma4 | gives me purpose! |
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| 05:24.44 | beLiefs | I hear you, but honestly to proper way to fix it is to pick oldstable, stable, testing, or sid; and stick with it. Mixing them is very complicated stuff even for advanced users |
| 05:24.53 | beLiefs | the proper way* |
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| 05:25.53 | centrx | Looks like you had experimental mixed in there too |
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| 05:37.33 | gamma4 | no youre right i mixed a bunch of repositories and got burned |
| 05:37.40 | gamma4 | learned my lesson and deleted all but one |
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| 05:37.47 | gamma4 | i had a bunch mixed up! |
| 05:38.01 | centrx | How's it going |
| 05:38.07 | gamma4 | xfce is a 4.10 now |
| 05:39.20 | beLiefs | cool, hopefully it will work better for you now :) |
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| 05:41.10 | gamma4 | i tihnk it will! |
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| 05:42.23 | gamma4 | apt-get is awesome |
| 05:43.08 | beLiefs | indeed. apt is a wonderful package manager. |
| 05:43.14 | beLiefs | super cow powers are nice too |
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| 05:43.59 | centrx | dpkg: moo |
| 05:43.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 05:44.29 | beLiefs | lol |
| 05:44.56 | gamma4 | lol |
| 05:45.14 | gamma4 | is there any way to make my terminal have color? |
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| 05:45.51 | beLiefs | edit -> preferences |
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| 05:48.48 | gamma4 | nice |
| 05:48.51 | gamma4 | found that |
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| 05:50.41 | gamma4 | last question, in windows 7 if i drag a window to the far edge left or right, the window will fill half of the screen horizonally from top to bottom, i cant for the lift of my figure out how to do that in xfce |
| 05:50.51 | gamma4 | i turned off wrapping and it doenst do a thing |
| 05:51.11 | beLiefs | no help from me there. last time I used windows was xp |
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| 05:52.23 | beLiefs | are you talking about tiling windows? |
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| 06:06.42 | gamma4 | yes i guess tiling windows beLiefs |
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| 06:09.41 | beLiefs | personally I just use "window snapping" to other windows and borders (main menu -> settings -> advanced) |
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| 06:10.03 | beLiefs | oops main -> settings -> window manager -> advanced |
| 06:10.25 | beLiefs | but in the window manager under keyboard it gives options for tiling with keyboard shortcuts |
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| 06:12.25 | gamma4 | this would make the window half the size and snap tothe top and botom as well |
| 06:12.38 | gamma4 | nise when doing side by side reading and transcribing |
| 06:13.28 | beLiefs | try "Tile window to the top" and "Tile window to the bottom" under keyboard in window manager |
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| 06:14.50 | beLiefs | that's about the closest native functionality to what you're looking for I think |
| 06:15.11 | beLiefs | if it's not good enough you'll probably need to find a package that does what you're looking for |
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| 06:23.47 | mkattam | I am running debian on parallels onto of mac. What do I need to do to set it up to do local web dev stuff. right now ifconfig is showing 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:25.20 | wols | mkattam: probably bridged networking on the host side. what does "ifconfig -a" show? |
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| 06:26.53 | mkattam | ifconfig -a on debian shows inet adde:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
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| 06:28.33 | wols | I want to know what interfaces it shows. not which IPs |
| 06:28.38 | wols | !paste |
| 06:28.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:29.58 | mkattam | etho0 and lo? |
| 06:30.14 | mkattam | Sorry, total N00b here. |
| 06:30.44 | wols | eth0 is good. as root, run "dhclient eth0" |
| 06:31.24 | mkattam | ok. done. |
| 06:31.46 | wols | run ifconfig -a again and check if you have an IP for eth0 now. if so, which one |
| 06:32.37 | mkattam | interesting. it now show ip for ethos of 10.211.55.19 |
| 06:33.32 | wols | mkattam: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:33.42 | wols | now that you have internet in the VM you can paste it |
| 06:34.08 | wols | tho, for using debian as a webserver you need probably bridged networking. no other way to access it usually (but you can try this IP of course) |
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| 06:36.23 | themill | if it's only local development stuff then the VM's NAT'd IP is probably sufficient |
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| 06:38.14 | wols | themill: many (most) VM sofrware won't allow access via NAT |
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| 06:38.52 | mkattam | so now when I paste http://127.0.0.1 into safari it says 'It Works!' but pasting http://10.211.55.19 says it can't connect to the server. On the other hand a ping on mac terminal shows a connection. |
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| 06:39.10 | themill | wols: every one I've ever used does. Can't talk about parallels though. |
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| 06:39.23 | wols | see above. and vbox certainly doesn't either |
| 06:39.48 | themill | in vbox you just have to derestrict the NAT |
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| 06:40.46 | wols | none will cause the VM software creates a NAT. I just looked. now vbox has a "port forwarding" button. earlier versions it didn't so it wouldn't work. now with portforarding it can |
| 06:41.57 | mkattam | so now when I paste http://127.0.0.1 into safari it says 'It Works!' but pasting http://10.211.55.19 says it can't connect to the server. On the other hand a ping on mac terminal shows a connection. |
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| 06:42.49 | wols | and what does your apache access.log say when it shows you "it works"? |
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| 06:44.18 | mkattam | apache.log? It just say on safari with big letters 'it works!' I don't see any other info |
| 06:44.29 | mkattam | this is for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:45.03 | wols | your debian has a /var/log/apache2/access.log |
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| 06:47.33 | technoid_ | If localhost (127.0.0.1) in safari says "It Works!", sounds like it is a webserver running on your mac |
| 06:47.35 | themill | mkattam: can you pastebin the entire contents of the apache "It works" page? |
| 06:48.09 | themill | tries to remember if it contains the server signature |
| 06:48.31 | themill | I don't think it does any more, does it? |
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| 06:49.49 | themill | technoid_: that's my guess too, unless some port forwarding from :80 into the vm has already been done |
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| 06:50.47 | technoid_ | true |
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| 06:51.23 | io | i want to devlop a .deb package suggest me the good book |
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| 06:52.04 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest7735 about nmg |
| 06:52.23 | Guest7735 | what is nmg i dont know |
| 06:52.52 | themill | what dpkg said. |
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| 06:53.10 | zenlunatic | io https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial |
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| 06:54.53 | Guest7735 | ok thanks can i devlop a java app and insert into .deb file |
| 06:55.36 | themill | sure. If you have an ant build.xml then it's quite easy to do. |
| 06:56.00 | Guest7735 | i want to download The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques |
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| 06:56.11 | Guest7735 | is there any link freely downloadable |
| 06:56.40 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest7735 about debiansystem |
| 06:56.57 | Guest7735 | i am a begginer man |
| 06:57.08 | Guest7735 | thats why iam asking the books |
| 06:57.08 | themill | it's pretty out of date though. You might like to look at the newer Debian Handbook. /msg dpkg debian-handbook |
| 06:57.22 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest7735 about debian-handbook |
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| 06:58.57 | Guest7735 | i want to download that book freely |
| 06:59.11 | themill | so do so. |
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| 07:06.07 | needhelp_ | Hello guys |
| 07:06.16 | needhelp_ | Can someone help me with debian pxe |
| 07:06.27 | needhelp_ | Its already running |
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| 07:06.58 | needhelp_ | I need a boot image instead of the boot lines |
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| 07:10.34 | needhelp_ | anyone???? |
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| 07:11.31 | needhelp_ | please help me guys |
| 07:13.10 | needhelp_ | someone??? |
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| 07:15.19 | centrx | needhelp_, You should post more information about it and then wait for a response |
| 07:15.30 | needhelp_ | Okay |
| 07:15.56 | needhelp_ | I am booting debian over the network using pxelinux |
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| 07:16.43 | needhelp_ | When the thinclients boot up there is no loading screen or an image |
| 07:17.01 | needhelp_ | I would like to change this to an image or something |
| 07:17.13 | needhelp_ | Can someone help me with this? |
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| 07:19.23 | needhelp_ | Is this enough information?? |
| 07:19.44 | centrx | needhelp_, I don't know anything about PXE myself. There might be someone else awake here who does. |
| 07:20.02 | needhelp_ | Ahh oke |
| 07:20.04 | centrx | needhelp_, You might have to wait until America/Europe daytime. Currently, it's basically night time. |
| 07:20.14 | needhelp_ | Im in europe |
| 07:20.36 | centrx | I know, it's probably 8AM or 9AM |
| 07:20.36 | needhelp_ | And its half past 8 here in the morning :p |
| 07:20.46 | needhelp_ | yes it is |
| 07:20.53 | centrx | right, most people aren't active IRC at that hour |
| 07:21.04 | needhelp_ | okay |
| 07:21.15 | needhelp_ | I will wait for a couple of hours |
| 07:23.00 | centrx | needhelp_, It looks like the channel is most active between 14:00 and 03:00 CET |
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| 07:23.37 | needhelp_ | okay |
| 07:23.42 | centrx | needhelp_, Least active from 04:00 to 11:00 CET |
| 07:23.44 | centrx | needhelp_, http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian.html |
| 07:23.45 | needhelp_ | thank you! |
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| 07:43.09 | needhelp_ | Can someone help me with debian pxe?? |
| 07:43.30 | borgu | morning |
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| 07:43.39 | needhelp_ | moring |
| 07:43.53 | needhelp_ | do you know something about pxe? |
| 07:43.58 | borgu | what is debian pxe? |
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| 07:44.25 | needhelp_ | I mean distributing debian over the network |
| 07:44.29 | needhelp_ | with pxe |
| 07:44.44 | borgu | oh that thing |
| 07:44.54 | borgu | sorry no |
| 07:45.03 | needhelp_ | haha nederlander ofniet? |
| 07:45.32 | needhelp_ | borgu you are dutch right? |
| 07:45.48 | borgu | nope, lithuanian :D |
| 07:46.12 | borgu | i've hear about it, read wikipedia page, but thats about it, sorry mate |
| 07:46.19 | needhelp_ | ow oke |
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| 07:46.29 | needhelp_ | okay man |
| 07:46.34 | needhelp_ | I already did that |
| 07:46.46 | needhelp_ | My pxe is already working |
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| 07:47.07 | needhelp_ | I need to change the boot text into a loading screen or an logo |
| 07:47.17 | needhelp_ | Can someone help me with that? |
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| 07:52.17 | needhelp_ | Can someone help me with pxe? |
| 07:52.53 | needhelp_ | I want to make a loading screen for the pxe clients instead of the bootcode |
| 07:53.01 | needhelp_ | Anyone online?? |
| 07:53.07 | bazhang | yes |
| 07:53.13 | bazhang | be patient |
| 07:53.59 | needhelp_ | do you know something about pxe? |
| 07:54.21 | bazhang | its working? |
| 07:54.25 | needhelp_ | yes |
| 07:54.33 | bazhang | so whats the problem |
| 07:54.41 | needhelp_ | But i need a graphical boot |
| 07:54.52 | needhelp_ | Its for school bussiness |
| 07:55.07 | needhelp_ | They dont want to see the bootmessages |
| 07:55.17 | bazhang | a "splash" screen? |
| 07:55.23 | needhelp_ | yes |
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| 07:55.32 | needhelp_ | or just an image |
| 07:55.43 | bazhang | did you install one? |
| 07:55.52 | needhelp_ | I tried plymouth |
| 07:56.00 | needhelp_ | But thats not for pxelinux |
| 07:56.06 | bazhang | for debian? |
| 07:56.07 | needhelp_ | That wasnt working for me |
| 07:56.16 | needhelp_ | Yes its debian |
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| 07:57.46 | needhelp_ | you know how to that? |
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| 08:00.08 | needhelp_ | bazhang? |
| 08:00.14 | bazhang | what exactly was not working |
| 08:00.41 | needhelp_ | It just displayed the boot lines |
| 08:00.51 | needhelp_ | Instead of the plymouth theme |
| 08:01.10 | needhelp_ | But they told me it was a issue with grub |
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| 08:01.20 | needhelp_ | because pxe doesnt use grub |
| 08:01.47 | bazhang | who is 'they' |
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| 08:02.18 | needhelp_ | The reactors of a tutorial |
| 08:02.26 | needhelp_ | And i googled for it |
| 08:02.46 | needhelp_ | Is there no alternative for plymouth? |
| 08:04.24 | needhelp_ | Did you ever made something like this? |
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| 08:05.44 | needhelp_ | bazhang? |
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| 08:08.21 | bazhang | needhelp_, I was just checking for help with that on line, you seem to be in a rush, however |
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| 08:08.40 | needhelp_ | okay srry |
| 08:09.02 | needhelp_ | But I am actually looking for a week for a solution |
| 08:09.12 | needhelp_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.06 | bazhang | in the 30 seconds since you last asked? no |
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| 08:14.53 | needhelp_ | I will wait @bazhang |
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| 08:15.37 | bazhang | needhelp_, you realize, pinging me every single minute , slows down my search, right? |
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| 08:15.58 | bazhang | come back when you have more time. |
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| 08:16.53 | needhelp_ | I have enough time |
| 08:16.57 | needhelp_ | I said sorry |
| 08:17.01 | needhelp_ | I will wait |
| 08:17.11 | needhelp_ | Today i have until 4 o clock |
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| 08:25.47 | needhelp_ | bazhang do you still want to help me? |
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| 08:28.37 | needpxehelp | goodmorning guys |
| 08:28.48 | needpxehelp | Can someone help me with PXE? |
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| 08:29.32 | needpxehelp | I am using thinclients, they are already booting over pxe and everything works fine, I only would like to hide the bootmessages. |
| 08:29.41 | wols | rejoining won't help :) |
| 08:29.49 | babilen | needpxehelp: There really is no point in just re-joining and then not even asking a question |
| 08:29.59 | wols | and why doesn't "quiet" work? |
| 08:30.01 | needpxehelp | This is done by a "splashscreen" |
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| 08:30.35 | needpxehelp | I dont know about the quiet |
| 08:30.47 | wols | then actually state your real problem and don't tell us you want to "hide bootmessages". cause that's not what you want |
| 08:31.07 | needpxehelp | I am using this system on a school |
| 08:31.09 | wols | add the kernelparameter "quiet", which prevents the kernel to spew out all those ugly messages |
| 08:31.18 | wols | we don't care where you use it. we only care if you use debian or not |
| 08:31.34 | needpxehelp | yes i use debian |
| 08:31.35 | babilen | And also be specific about which boot messages you want to hide (bios splash screen, PXE discovery, kernel boot sequence, init running, ...) |
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| 08:32.40 | needpxehelp | When my thinclient starts up, it looks for the pxeconfig, after that there are a lot of messages green, orange I would like to hide them |
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| 08:33.18 | babilen | needpxehelp: What have you tried so far? |
| 08:33.29 | needpxehelp | I tried plymouth |
| 08:33.39 | needpxehelp | And also another tutorial |
| 08:33.47 | needpxehelp | Wait I will post the link |
| 08:33.48 | babilen | How? And what was the outcome? "another tutorial" ? |
| 08:34.20 | needpxehelp | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=PXE_Splash |
| 08:34.28 | needpxehelp | It just didnt work |
| 08:34.42 | needpxehelp | Still the messages |
| 08:34.57 | babilen | Anyway, I have other things to do right now, but please read: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and http://mattgemmell.com/what-have-you-tried/ to learn how to use support channels such as this one more effectively |
| 08:35.03 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 08:35.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:35.10 | Kingsy | guys, I am installing debian, and it gives you an option of using an encrpyted LVM, what does this mean> |
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| 08:36.07 | babilen | Kingsy: It means that it setups LVM (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux) ) with luks/cryptsetup/dm-crypt encrypted partitions |
| 08:36.27 | babilen | Kingsy: That is, IIRC, also discussed in the install guide |
| 08:36.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about ig |
| 08:36.40 | needpxehelp | no one wants to help me? |
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| 08:36.58 | jimcooncat | Kingsy: LVM is another layer in file management that allow you to easily resize partitions and take real snapshots. |
| 08:37.19 | Kingsy | babilen: does that mean that the partitions are encrypted? so if the drive is removed it will be unreadable? |
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| 08:38.00 | babilen | needpxehelp: That tutorial (the last one is ancient) and you still haven't answered the question "How?" and "It just didnt work" is not nearly precise enough. |
| 08:38.02 | sandman | i am a beginner at linux and i installed debian everything went fine but when i try to use the 'sudo' command it says 'username is not in sudoers' |
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| 08:38.51 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: can you pastebin the messages? we may be able to figure out what generates them... it could be several different processes. |
| 08:38.54 | wols | sandman: have you set a root password when you installed debian? |
| 08:39.02 | babilen | Kingsy: You can naturally read it on a different system. But if you hold the harddisk in your hands that will be tricky .. the data is simply encrypted with a key and everybody who has physical access to the device, the necessary hardware to connect it *and* the passphrase can decrypt the data. |
| 08:39.11 | sandman | wols: yes |
| 08:39.21 | needpxehelp | babilen |
| 08:39.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell sandman -about sudoers |
| 08:39.29 | SynrG | sandman: guess you didn't read the fine print, then :) |
| 08:40.00 | needpxehelp | I did everything in the tutorial, than i started up a thinclient and there were no changes |
| 08:40.23 | babilen | sandman: You, naturally, have to install "sudo" first for that to work. Become root with "su -" (give your root password) and then install sudo with "apt-get install sudo" |
| 08:40.31 | wols | sandman: that's why sudo was not set up. you need to do it manually then |
| 08:40.35 | needpxehelp | @jimcooncat it are the standard boot messages which i want to hide |
| 08:40.37 | SynrG | sandman: if you set the root password during install, you are not automatically added to sudoers. if you leave it blank, you are. however, you can fix that afterwards, as per the factoid dpkg bot sent you |
| 08:40.52 | sandman | babilen: i have the package installed |
| 08:41.01 | Kingsy | babilen: sounds cool! I will give it a shot, I assume the installation of an encrypted LVM is kinda seemless |
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| 08:41.03 | babilen | needpxehelp: That tutorial is ancient, I wouldn't expect it to work at all. More interesting is your plymouth approach and you simply don't provide enough information to help you. At all. |
| 08:41.04 | Kingsy | I will give it a shot |
| 08:41.23 | needpxehelp | @babilen |
| 08:41.26 | babilen | sandman: So, add yourself to the sudo group and relogin (as our bot told you in private |
| 08:41.41 | needpxehelp | plymouth doesnt work because you have to update grub |
| 08:41.42 | babilen | needpxehelp: This also isn't twatter and you don't need to prefix names with @ |
| 08:41.43 | sandman | okay babilen |
| 08:41.53 | babilen | needpxehelp: Please elaborate |
| 08:42.22 | needpxehelp | pxe doesnt use grub, so i cant update it and plymouth doesnt work |
| 08:42.31 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: ok, scrolling back through the chat I don't find the original tutorial you used, please put it up so I can see |
| 08:42.56 | jimcooncat | nothing is standard when it comes to pxe tutorials |
| 08:43.30 | needpxehelp | okay jimcooncat i will look it up and paste it here |
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| 08:43.33 | needpxehelp | wait a sec |
| 08:45.30 | needpxehelp | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62417 jimcooncat |
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| 08:46.48 | needpxehelp | I also tried this http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=PXE_Splash |
| 08:46.52 | sandman | thanks it worked now |
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| 08:55.04 | sandman | do i have to install extra packages inorder to install KDE |
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| 08:56.59 | SynrG | !tell sandman about install kde |
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| 08:57.41 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: do the messages show before the splash screen, or on the splash screen after it's started? |
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| 09:02.29 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a config file somewhere where I can ban an ip from accessing any ports and leave a reminder for myself like "92.243.15.26 // constantly tries to access random http urls" ? |
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| 09:03.50 | sandman | Synr6: which one to install kde-full or kde-standard? |
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| 09:04.58 | needpxehelp | jimcooncat the messages are shown after the thinclient has loaded the pxelinux.cf |
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| 09:05.26 | needpxehelp | until the system is booted up |
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| 09:06.07 | andry | no_gravity, why not just use iptables? |
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| 09:06.24 | andry | like iptables -I INPUT -s 123.123.123.123 -p all -j DROP |
| 09:06.25 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: let me rephrase. Do the messages show on a plain console before any kind of graphical output? Or does it show a splash screen first? |
| 09:06.28 | babilen | sandman: I'd start with either kde-plasma-desktop or kde-standard, but it is really up to you. You can always install packages you are missing later |
| 09:06.46 | no_gravity | andry: i cannot leave a comment for myself then, right? because i will have forgotten tomorrow why i banned this ip and will wonder what the iptable entry means. |
| 09:07.06 | needpxehelp | I am using debian and there is no splash screen |
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| 09:07.26 | sandman | babilen: i decided to go with kde-standard |
| 09:07.26 | needpxehelp | I just want to hide the messages which are displayed when i boot up a thin client |
| 09:07.34 | andry | no_gravity, you can setup a script with a comment above it :) |
| 09:07.48 | needpxehelp | They are displayed until the system has booted up |
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| 09:08.01 | jimcooncat | any graphics show? |
| 09:08.19 | needpxehelp | no |
| 09:08.24 | needpxehelp | only textmessages |
| 09:08.39 | needpxehelp | With green and orange things |
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| 09:08.55 | jimcooncat | so plymouth isn't doing anything then. what green and orange things? |
| 09:09.15 | no_gravity | andry: what do you mean? |
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| 09:10.21 | needpxehelp | the ok messages |
| 09:10.24 | jimcooncat | is getting frustrated because I can't find docs on plymouth |
| 09:11.29 | needpxehelp | http://i.imgur.com/ei4DWe8.jpg this green messages |
| 09:11.43 | needpxehelp | I want to hide them or show an image instead |
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| 09:16.35 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: it looks as if uvesafb isn't working, it's not starting a framebuffer to display the graphic that would hide these messages |
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| 09:17.13 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: the uvesafb might not be supported in the kernel that pxe is loading |
| 09:17.19 | needpxehelp | hmm okay |
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| 09:17.48 | jimcooncat | you might need a different method than plymouth |
| 09:17.58 | needpxehelp | do you know how i can fix that? |
| 09:18.20 | needpxehelp | Yes, do you have any ideas? |
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| 09:20.16 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: looking... |
| 09:20.38 | needpxehelp | okay |
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| 09:20.51 | needpxehelp | I hope so |
| 09:20.52 | needpxehelp | Maybe you can find more than me |
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| 09:26.07 | Kingsy | babilen: you there? |
| 09:26.15 | babilen | Kingsy: what? |
| 09:26.45 | Kingsy | babilen: I have my drives setup on raid, however during the debian installation it sees the drives as two seperate SCSI drives.. |
| 09:26.53 | Kingsy | not on RAID drive.. why? |
| 09:26.56 | Kingsy | one* |
| 09:26.57 | babilen | Kingsy: Ask the channel |
| 09:27.09 | Kingsy | oh sorry |
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| 09:27.22 | Kingsy | I just spoke to you before.. my bad will do |
| 09:27.28 | OpenTokix | dpkg: tell Kingsy about fakeraid |
| 09:28.24 | Kingsy | OpenTokix: so debian doesnt support the motherboards RAID controller? |
| 09:28.52 | OpenTokix | Kingsy: No, the mothoboards raid controller is not a raidcontroller, its more or less a sticker on the box. |
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| 09:29.14 | Kingsy | crap seriously? |
| 09:29.35 | OpenTokix | Kingsy: yes |
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| 09:30.48 | Kingsy | OpenTokix: so the only option is to turn it off? |
| 09:30.58 | OpenTokix | Kingsy: yes, and use software raid |
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| 09:39.08 | needpxehelp | jimcooncat did you already found something?? |
| 09:39.39 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: I gotta admit I'm striking out so far. |
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| 09:40.14 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: you're loading Arch linux, right? |
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| 09:40.51 | bcd87 | hi guys, does anyone know when squeeze is EOL? I can't find an official post anywhere :) |
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| 09:43.36 | needpxehelp | jimcooncat its a i386 architecture |
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| 09:44.03 | wols | bcd87: not decided yet. it will be supported at least until may. but it may get longer support if enough peopple volunteer for it |
| 09:44.16 | bcd87 | thanks wols |
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| 09:44.38 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: yes, but your screenshot shows and Arch linux boot sequence... if that's what you're doing this article may help you quiet the messages: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Silent_boot |
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| 09:45.03 | needpxehelp | no that image was just to show you the green message things |
| 09:45.15 | needpxehelp | I am using i386 |
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| 09:45.57 | needpxehelp | I dont use syslinux its pxelinux |
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| 09:48.04 | jimcooncat | needpxehelp: sorry, I gave this my best shot; not enough info from you and my research skills are sucking this morning. |
| 09:50.53 | m1zar | when I boot my system, Debian is first unencrypting my LUKS-drive, then use LVM to gain access to my root-LV and then Debian can be loaded correctly. How is that achieved? Are the required modules integrated in the kernel, or in that initrd ?? how does that work? |
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| 09:54.56 | jelly | m1zar: kernel drivers for crypto and device-mapper (both lvm and luks use it), and userspace support for luks (cryptsetup binary) and lvm are part of initrd image |
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| 09:59.44 | jelly | m1zar: you could look at contents of cryptsetup and lvm packages to see which parts are initramfs related, eg. /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/cryptroot |
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| 10:04.05 | m1zar | jelly: that means, if no valid initrd image is there, I couldn'n boot my system? is initrd all the time necessary for the system to work correctly? |
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| 10:05.21 | Shadur | m1zar: If your kernel was compiled to use one, then yes, you need one. |
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| 10:06.09 | Shadur | Or if your kernel has all the drivers needed to mount the /real/ root disk compiled into the kernel rather than as modules, you can skip the initrd. |
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| 10:08.55 | lauri | Good day |
| 10:09.01 | lauri | I am attempting to recompile nginx on Debian |
| 10:09.22 | lauri | dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
| 10:09.29 | lauri | that's what I get without specific error |
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| 10:10.00 | babilen | lauri: Put all your commands and their output in a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. Also let us know *why* you recompile nginx. |
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| 10:11.38 | lauri | babilen: I can upload it in few minutes but as I said there is no errors besides the fakeroot one, I need to recompile it to have push stream module on armel/armhf. Dotdeb has the module but no armel/armhf support. Compiling dotdeb's package results in the same error. Tried 1.4.7 and 1.4.6 both. I consider myself experienced but I can't figure out what's going on. |
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| 10:13.56 | lauri | babilen: the point is that doing apt-get source nginx and dpkg-buildpackage fails |
| 10:14.13 | lauri | babilen: and I am curious how that hasn't happened to anyone else |
| 10:14.40 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 10:14.58 | colo-work | maybe it's because you are special :) |
| 10:15.06 | colo-work | (we all are, in a way!) |
| 10:15.43 | babilen | lauri: I have no idea about their packaging and there is little I can do without seeing actual output. My basic intention was to help you to help yourself by asking a better question that contains the information needed helpers in this channel would need to investigate the problem. |
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| 10:17.36 | Kingsy | ok, I have just used the software raid. can someone just confirm for my peice of mind --> P8Z77-V ASUS, that motherboard is using fakeRAID? |
| 10:17.48 | Kingsy | all references in the manual refer to it as a RAID controller. |
| 10:18.35 | SynrG | i don't care what the motherboard is. if there's raid on the motherboard, it's 99.9% positively fakeraid |
| 10:18.58 | Kingsy | curious, how do you tell the difference? |
| 10:19.01 | SynrG | proper raid controllers are on cards. if your raid controller go south, it needs to be replacable |
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| 10:19.56 | SynrG | fakeraid implementations are half-ass implementations integrated onto motherboards. ignore them and use software raid instead. |
| 10:21.23 | armin | hi, any hint how to run a custom command when closing the lid of my laptop? i'm using i3 with xscreensaver as a screen locker, but when re-opening the lid after a suspend state, my screen isn't locked, so i would like to manually implement a workaround that runs xscreensaver-command --lock as the logged in X-user (display :0 is fine with me) when closing the lid. any help much appreciated. |
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| 10:22.39 | needHelp_ | hey guys, how can i change the file/folder permissions from drwsrwsrwx to drwxrwxrwx |
| 10:23.14 | needHelp_ | i want to get rid of the "s" in the permissions |
| 10:24.50 | pl | chmod 777 <file> |
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| 10:25.17 | needHelp_ | yo, i tried that |
| 10:25.30 | needHelp_ | sets it to the drwsrwsrwx perm |
| 10:25.36 | adc | armin: I'm running the same setup as you. I'm not at my laptop right now, but I think I modified a file called /etc/acpi/lid.sh to launch a custom command when the lid is closed |
| 10:25.39 | needHelp_ | i wanna get rid of the s |
| 10:26.00 | adc | armin: i think pm-suspend is the default command |
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| 10:27.41 | pl | needHelp_, chmod o-s <dir> |
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| 10:27.44 | pl | and then chmod g-s <dir> |
| 10:28.00 | pl | sorry |
| 10:28.05 | pl | u-s, not o-s |
| 10:28.45 | pl | (man chmod, last paragraph of DESCRIPTION) |
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| 10:31.10 | SynrG | Kingsy: real raid is expensive. any 'integrated' hardware raid (not fakeraid) would tend to look like this, and would only be found on a server motherboard: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/servers/raid/integrated-raid-module-rms25cb-rmt3cb.html ... note it is a replacable component in "1U mezzanine" form factor, not built directly into the mb |
| 10:32.12 | nevyn | Kingsy: it's fakeRAID |
| 10:32.14 | nevyn | well. |
| 10:32.22 | nevyn | you could use dmraid with it. |
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| 10:32.27 | nevyn | depending on if it's supported |
| 10:32.43 | nevyn | this does give you one useful thing. (and drawbacks but one useful thing) |
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| 10:33.02 | needHelp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.05 | needHelp_ | pl: |
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| 10:34.07 | SynrG | nevyn: that 'one useful thing' is ... ? |
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| 10:34.19 | nevyn | boot support. |
| 10:34.33 | SynrG | exactly how useful is that? |
| 10:34.41 | nevyn | marginal |
| 10:35.00 | SynrG | last time i ran software raid, i just installed grub into both drives :p |
| 10:35.13 | nevyn | yep. |
| 10:35.31 | nevyn | what bios dievice is the drive after the first drive goes by-by |
| 10:35.38 | nevyn | (pc bios sucks) |
| 10:35.47 | SynrG | seems hardly worth the risk of 'if my motherboard dies, kiss my data goodbye unless i replace the mb' |
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| 10:36.34 | nevyn | so your grub config with hd1 baked in is wrong if the bios re-enumerates the disk to hd0 |
| 10:36.38 | nevyn | but it's marginal |
| 10:36.42 | nevyn | as I say |
| 10:36.50 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 10:37.09 | petn-randall | needpxehelp: Your /tmp folder should be the only directory with those file permissions. Everything else is asking for trouble. |
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| 10:37.33 | nevyn | SynrG: about the only useful thing these controllers do is insulate you from that problem if you use dmraid |
| 10:38.26 | nevyn | so you can have a more seemless recovery scenario. but then you have to worry about the controller failing monitoring and reporting etc etc |
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| 10:38.51 | petn-randall | nevyn: HW RAID does have it's merits. Don't get me wrong, I favour dmraid. But if you use HW RAID the controller knows more about the RAID and can use the writeback cache more efficiently. |
| 10:39.09 | mrtnt | gdm-guest-session package installed a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00_handle_guest_session script to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ directory. It contains following content: http://paste.debian.net/89663 I understand that GDMSESSION variable will get a new value once the "-guest-restricted" part is stripped off. However, I do not understand the next if statement.. How could the GDMSESSION variable have the "guest-restricted" value? |
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| 10:40.09 | nevyn | petn-randall: so any controller with a battery backed writeback cache isn't fakeraid |
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| 10:40.15 | nevyn | which is what we're discussing here. |
| 10:40.45 | petn-randall | nevyn: I agree. Though nowadays the have ZMCP, not a BBU. |
| 10:40.48 | nevyn | I don't think any of the dmraid supported systems have write cache |
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| 10:41.14 | nevyn | ZMCP? |
| 10:41.16 | kkkware_ | ๏ผnicklist screen |
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| 10:42.08 | kaddy_ | anybody familiar with adding old snapshots to sources.list and installing packages from it? |
| 10:42.26 | wols | kaddy_: why not just download the .deb and dpkg -i it? |
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| 10:42.46 | petn-randall | nevyn: Zero maintenance cache protection. It's a few fat condensators and flash the size of the writeback cache. |
| 10:43.10 | nevyn | capacitors? |
| 10:43.41 | kaddy_ | wols, hhmmm, perhaps that would be an option.... I was following the instructions on http://snapshot.debian.org/ instead.... i'll see if I can find the package i'm after |
| 10:44.05 | wols | if you need big multipackage things like xorg this doesn't work too well |
| 10:44.22 | wols | kaddy_: I suggest you learn how to use irc and never start questions with "anyone". ask your real question instead |
| 10:45.01 | petn-randall | nevyn: Ehm, yes, capacitors. I'm germanizing again /o\. Has the advantage that you don't have a LiPo that can go bad, and the flash lasts a lot longer than the BBU in case of a power outage. |
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| 10:46.26 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 10:47.04 | nevyn | petn-randall: I'm sure your english > my german ;) |
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| 10:48.44 | kaddy_ | wols, get real |
| 10:49.25 | kaddy_ | wols, are you the debian irc channel nazi? |
| 10:49.29 | kaddy_ | ;) |
| 10:50.30 | malinus | Hello. I'm trying to install debain on my server/htpc, but I can't really find any cli-netowrk manager |
| 10:50.58 | malinus | Because I don't really want to bother with having a DE/WM |
| 10:52.53 | kaddy_ | malinus, you could just use "ifconfig <interface> up and then "dhcpcd <interface> to connect |
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| 10:54.57 | musca | !interfaces |
| 10:54.57 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 10:59.28 | malinus | I see, thanks |
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| 11:00.26 | musca | !wicd |
| 11:00.26 | dpkg | Wireless Interface Connection Daemon (wicd) is a wired and <wireless connection manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. See also <netdev>. |
| 11:00.30 | musca | wicd-cli - wired and wireless network manager - scriptable console client |
| 11:00.30 | musca | wicd-curses - wired and wireless network manager - Curses client |
| 11:00.32 | deferi | Hi my X is broken so how i can boot without autostarting X/kdm? |
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| 11:02.15 | colo-work | append "single" to the kernel command line |
| 11:02.22 | colo-work | at your bootloader's interactive prompt/menu |
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| 11:02.42 | OpenTokix | colo-work: I tought you told him how his kernel would reflect his life. |
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| 11:03.20 | deferi | colo-work: X still starts even when im using single parameter? |
| 11:03.30 | SynrG | deferi: see 'recovery mode' grub menu entries, which do exactly that (boot single) |
| 11:03.43 | SynrG | hm |
| 11:03.47 | deferi | I tried recovery mode but X still starts? :S |
| 11:03.57 | SynrG | append init=/bin/bash |
| 11:04.05 | deferi | then i have only read access to / |
| 11:04.13 | SynrG | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 11:05.21 | sandman | why startx is not working? |
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| 11:06.10 | salah | sandman: check the log file /var/log/xorg.0.log |
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| 11:06.40 | salah | to have an idea about what is not working correctly |
| 11:07.10 | SynrG | deferi: you could do the following, only replace step 5 with whatever recovery operation you need to do: |
| 11:07.13 | SynrG | !i forgot root password |
| 11:07.14 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 11:07.16 | wols | sandman: paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file into a pastebin |
| 11:07.19 | SynrG | er, step 4, i mean |
| 11:07.42 | petn-randall | kaddy_: I agree with wols that questions starting with 'has anyone ...' are quite unspecific, I would have used nicer words to tell you how to do it better. |
| 11:08.21 | malinus | where exactly is the iso http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 11:08.29 | sandman | salah wols no such directory or files |
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| 11:08.44 | malinus | I can't believe that it's hidden so well :) |
| 11:08.51 | wols | sandman: that's not possible when you ran startx. what is the output of startx then? |
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| 11:09.31 | wols | malinus: you are in the totally wrong place |
| 11:09.48 | sandman | wols command not found btw i chose text mode |
| 11:10.10 | wols | sandman: then you haven't installed xorg. apt-get install xorg |
| 11:10.18 | malinus | wolfmitchell, this is the initial url: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ from where I logically go to cdrom (because they didn't place the img in the root directory). |
| 11:10.27 | sandman | silly me |
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| 11:10.28 | malinus | for whatever reason |
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| 11:10.58 | wols | malinus: you look in the totally wrong place. https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 11:11.14 | wols | malinus: this is the "installer" the software. not the ISO with the installer on it |
| 11:11.15 | malinus | wols, I'm looking where the download link took me. |
| 11:11.21 | wols | malinus: which link? |
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| 11:11.55 | wols | malinus: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:11.59 | malinus | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ on http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
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| 11:12.47 | sandman | wols: the package is installing btw what happens if you are installing debian and power suddenly goes off on your computer? do i have to start the installation again |
| 11:13.02 | wols | malinus: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ but that is only marginally smaller than the normal netinst of 270MB where you do not need a internet connection |
| 11:13.06 | sandman | done |
| 11:13.16 | malinus | oh thanks wols |
| 11:13.24 | wols | sandman: yes, but anything already downloaded doesn't need to be downloaded again |
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| 11:14.25 | sandman | wols: you mean package download process will be resumed from where it was and rest will have to be done again? |
| 11:14.37 | kaddy_ | petn-randall, I'm not too worried what your "opinions" are |
| 11:14.43 | m1zar | how can I configure Edge-Snapping in KDE ? |
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| 11:15.21 | SynrG | deferi: one question, though. you said you tried recovery mode. did it not ask you to enter the root password for maintenance? if you do that (instead of ctrl-d to continue) then it should drop you to a shell prompt and not start X |
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| 11:17.03 | wols | sandman: package download or installation would resume, yes. anything that has already been done doesn't need to be done again, yes |
| 11:18.19 | Kingsy | hrm, so I have debian installed with software RAID running, how can I confirm its working? |
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| 11:18.25 | m1zar1 | and how can I check for sure, which Desktop Environment I am actually using? is that displayed somewhere? I cannot see the differences betweend several DEs yet, because I am new to Linux |
| 11:18.41 | SynrG | Kingsy: df |
| 11:18.46 | SynrG | it should show md0 or so |
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| 11:20.11 | deferi | SynrG: thank you mount -o remount,rw / worked :) |
| 11:20.15 | Kingsy | SynrG: it does, but I am getting emails --> http://pastie.org/8966951 |
| 11:20.42 | SynrG | deferi: and my question about seeing that prompt at boot in recovery mode? |
| 11:20.46 | SynrG | deferi: i'm really curious ... |
| 11:21.13 | Kingsy | SynrG: the contents of df are --> http://pastie.org/8966954 <-- under the email I get |
| 11:21.32 | deferi | SynrG: yes i entered passwd but it still started X :S |
| 11:21.49 | SynrG | deferi: you should be immediately dropped to a shell prompt at this point |
| 11:22.02 | SynrG | did you enter it correctly? |
| 11:22.37 | SynrG | deferi: sure. 'degraded array' just means it has to sync the drives now |
| 11:22.39 | Kingsy | how come df does not show md1 or 2 for example? those are swap and / |
| 11:22.40 | SynrG | that will take a while |
| 11:22.49 | Kingsy | md0 is boot |
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| 11:23.00 | Kingsy | md3 is /home which is there |
| 11:23.03 | SynrG | swap never appears in df. it's not mounted |
| 11:23.34 | Kingsy | SynrG: why would that be? I set it up int he installer |
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| 11:23.43 | Kingsy | exactly the same as I did with boot and /home and / |
| 11:23.53 | Kingsy | apart from I selected swap as the partition type |
| 11:24.16 | SynrG | it's not a filesystem |
| 11:24.31 | Kingsy | oh, you mean swap isnt supposed to appear in df |
| 11:24.32 | Kingsy | got ya |
| 11:25.18 | SynrG | cat /proc/swaps |
| 11:25.24 | Kingsy | SynrG: what about / the os root, how come I cant see md2 in df? |
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| 11:26.18 | SynrG | because you haven't set up grub to use it i guess? |
| 11:27.04 | SynrG | oh |
| 11:27.08 | SynrG | it's there. just by symlink |
| 11:27.16 | SynrG | e.g. |
| 11:27.17 | SynrG | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 10 11:32 /dev/disk/by-uuid/684abcf6-24f4-49a8-9308-83e073ce018d -> ../../md0 |
| 11:27.32 | Kingsy | hmmm how should I proceed? |
| 11:27.50 | SynrG | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/e2effeb7-e71e-4113-936d-d32e9485eb60 |
| 11:28.03 | SynrG | points at md2 and this is normal |
| 11:28.44 | Kingsy | ah yeah --> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 25 11:12 /dev/disk/by-uuid/e2effeb7-e71e-4113-936d-d32e9485eb60 -> ../../md2 |
| 11:28.50 | Kingsy | so its working perfectly? |
| 11:30.15 | SynrG | Kingsy: yes. also, e.g. mdadm /dev/md2 |
| 11:30.21 | SynrG | or mdadm --detail /dev/md2 |
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| 11:30.44 | Kingsy | -bash: mdadm: command not found |
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| 11:30.55 | SynrG | as root, naturally |
| 11:31.18 | Kingsy | SynrG: why in df is it pointing to that symlink? why not just point it to /dev/md2 directly? |
| 11:31.46 | SynrG | because raid arrays might be enumerated differently after a hardware change |
| 11:32.05 | SynrG | !tell kingsy about uuid |
| 11:32.10 | Kingsy | got ya |
| 11:32.22 | Kingsy | finally, what does it mean by --> A DegradedArray event had been detected on md device /dev/md/1. ? |
| 11:32.34 | SynrG | this is the normal state of affairs at the beginning |
| 11:32.47 | SynrG | the install is performed to *one* drive. then the raid array starts degraded |
| 11:32.55 | SynrG | but raid synchronizes the drive |
| 11:33.07 | SynrG | your performance will suffer during this time |
| 11:33.19 | SynrG | when it is done syncing, it will no longer show as degraded. |
| 11:33.33 | Kingsy | ah, so its syncing in the background right now |
| 11:34.41 | Kingsy | SynrG: is there a way of getting an updated progress state of how far its through the sync? cat /proc/mdstat still says 3.2% |
| 11:34.52 | Kingsy | exactly the same as it was when it was first booted |
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| 11:35.32 | SynrG | i'm done. heading to work |
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| 11:36.32 | SynrG | maybe someone else knows. or maybe it's just very slow |
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| 11:36.58 | SynrG | later |
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| 11:39.44 | malinus | I'm trying to set up the "expert installation" with my wireless router. Neverless even though I've tried about 20 times, and quadra-checked both the SSID and the password with 3 other devices, I get the "Failure of key exchange and association". Any ideas what I can do from here? |
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| 11:40.28 | wols | yes. tell us what wlan chip your PC has |
| 11:40.43 | malinus | so it could be a driver problem? |
| 11:40.52 | malinus | even though it finds the SSID's just fine? |
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| 11:40.55 | wols | probably a firmware problem. please answer the question |
| 11:41.18 | malinus | let me check |
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| 11:42.23 | moldy | hi |
| 11:42.46 | moldy | what is the normal/recommended way to enable non-root users to mount usb flash drives (testing/kde)? |
| 11:43.53 | malinus | wols, okay found it. netowrk controller: Aetheros communication inc. AR928X wireless netowrk adapter (PCI-express) |
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| 11:44.33 | themill | moldy: are you in the plugdev group? |
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| 11:44.47 | malinus | wols, I can install using the ethernet. I just want to be sure it works after the installation. |
| 11:45.08 | moldy | themill: yep. |
| 11:45.20 | wols | malinus: what PCI ID does it have? |
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| 11:45.23 | moldy | themill: kde shows the usb drive correctly, but it's r/o |
| 11:45.26 | themill | that should be sufficient |
| 11:45.35 | themill | is the drive listed in fstab? |
| 11:45.56 | moldy | themill: i think so. /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 11:46.04 | moldy | themill: /dev/sdb2 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:46.29 | wols | malinus: another thing you might want to check is if MAC filtering is enabled on your router. the chip itsel is supported by debian out of the box https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 11:46.45 | themill | moldy: so if you list it in fstab, kde's tools won't touch it |
| 11:47.07 | moldy | themill: no idea how it got into fstab, tobe honest |
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| 11:47.28 | malinus | wols, it isn't. Even if it was, it would work, because this laptop was working fine with wireless using ubuntu 20min ago. the PCI ID is: 05:00.0 |
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| 11:48.47 | ecadre | Does anyone have incron working on Jessie? It just doesn't seem to work here. |
| 11:49.23 | malinus | wols, well dang. it works now. I didn't even change the SSID/password. I just tried one more time and it worked. |
| 11:49.34 | malinus | wols, haha, computer.... |
| 11:49.59 | malinus | wols, idk. if running lspci somehow woke it up or w/e. this is pure magic |
| 11:50.53 | wols | malinus: what you wrote above is no PCI ID btw. 16ec:1033 is a PCI ID |
| 11:51.17 | ecadre | incrond is running, but nothing seems to happen. |
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| 11:51.31 | moldy | themill: removed it from fstab and rebootet, still r/o |
| 11:51.52 | themill | moldy: how are you mounting it? |
| 11:51.55 | moldy | maybe autofs is intefering |
| 11:52.03 | moldy | themill: i'm not, i just lick on it in dolphin |
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| 11:52.48 | moldy | ahem, i mean i "click" on it ;) |
| 11:53.04 | pupil | hello good evening |
| 11:53.55 | pupil | i have problem with wifi broadcom bcm43142 |
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| 11:54.18 | pupil | the wifi interface is not detected in network manager |
| 11:54.31 | pupil | but lspci detect it |
| 11:55.03 | pupil | how to activate the wifi iinterface from network manager?? |
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| 11:55.42 | ChrisH | pupil: does ifconfig -a show it? is anything related to bcm in dmesg visible? |
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| 11:57.25 | pupil | no |
| 11:57.57 | pupil | ChrisH: ifconfig -a only detect eth0 interface (and lo) |
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| 11:58.56 | pupil | the laptop is dell inspiron 3421 |
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| 11:59.26 | babilen | dpkg: bcm43142 |
| 11:59.26 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged in Debian <testing> as broadcom-sta). |
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| 12:00.14 | pupil | babilen: yes, it is somehow join with bluetooth |
| 12:00.24 | pupil | babilen: so i should install broadcom-sta? |
| 12:00.26 | babilen | I am, as of now, not 100% sure how accurate that information is, but you will definitely need a newer kernel + firmware if support has been added for that device recently. |
| 12:00.44 | babilen | pupil: Well, you would also need a newer broadcom-sta version than the one in wheezy |
| 12:01.03 | pupil | the laptop is curently using backports |
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| 12:01.23 | pupil | should i "upgrade" it to testing? |
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| 12:02.18 | babilen | pupil: That would be an option, one second please |
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| 12:02.49 | babilen | pupil: The pciid of the device is 14e4:4365 ? (cf. "lspci -nn|grep -i network") |
| 12:03.06 | ChrisH | pupil: if the interface shows up in ifconfig -a NM will also be able to handle it. |
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| 12:03.45 | malinus | ehm, I can choose between the "linux-image-amd64" and "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64". Shouldn't this be the same kernel? |
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| 12:05.07 | babilen | malinus: They are different packages. The former is a metapackage that simply depends on linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 at the moment. But that dependency might change in the future and you would therefore get kernel upgrades whereas you would stay on linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 forever if you install that. |
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| 12:05.27 | malinus | thanks you very much babilen |
| 12:05.53 | babilen | malinus: I would, generally speaking, recommend to install linux-image-amd64 rather than linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 12:06.43 | malinus | yeah makes sense |
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| 12:13.25 | malinus | what kind of software will get installed if I choose to install the "laptop" |
| 12:13.49 | themill | !laptop task |
| 12:13.49 | dpkg | Laptop task packages for Debian 7 "Wheezy": acpid, acpi, acpi-support, anacron, avahi-autoipd, bluetooth, pcmciautils, pm-utils, powertop, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, Ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 12:14.34 | malinus | themill, any ideas if any of those require any kind of DE? |
| 12:14.54 | AimHere | Most of them don't |
| 12:15.21 | malinus | do any of them? |
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| 12:15.27 | AimHere | Not sure |
| 12:15.39 | malinus | I guess I'll rather skip it then |
| 12:15.48 | AimHere | Why? |
| 12:16.04 | malinus | AimHere, I don't want to risk it installs a DE |
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| 12:16.30 | AimHere | Command line only install on a laptop? Funky. |
| 12:16.39 | themill | why would laptop task install a desktop environment? |
| 12:16.46 | nkuttler | malinus: just don't use tasksel, and install the task later |
| 12:16.55 | nkuttler | malinus: but yeah, doesn't look like it |
| 12:16.57 | malinus | AimHere, a cheap ghetto-server :) |
| 12:16.57 | AimHere | Just take a note of the packages, and manually install them and cancel the ones that have DE dependencies |
| 12:17.31 | themill | packages don't just accidentally depend on a desktop environment... |
| 12:18.02 | nkuttler | not yet.. |
| 12:18.21 | malinus | :) |
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| 12:18.38 | fgs | hi. anyone that knows dak? |
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| 12:18.58 | malinus | AimHere, a laptop can be a pretty energy-efficient and extremly cheap (if not free), home-server. |
| 12:19.04 | themill | fgs: ask your real question (the answer is probably no) |
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| 12:19.40 | fgs | i've removed a package via dak rm but the data in the db is still there |
| 12:20.20 | fgs | so when I process a new package I get ...source.changes is already known |
| 12:20.33 | fgs | I can see the reference is still in the db and the insert fails with duplicate key |
| 12:21.11 | fgs | since the dak documentation is close to non-existent I have no idea what I'm doing wrong and/or how to fix it |
| 12:22.21 | fgs | short of switching to mini-dak any deb maintainers around? |
| 12:23.03 | themill | fgs: there's only about 6 people who ever use dak; you'll find them in #debian-ftp on OFTC |
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| 12:23.28 | fgs | thanks. I will check there |
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| 12:25.02 | TheKnight_ | hi there |
| 12:25.46 | TheKnight_ | i can't find tor button for iceweasel in debian wheezy anymore. what happened?Is there any substitutive tool? |
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| 12:26.25 | ChrisH | TheKnight_: button? |
| 12:26.51 | themill | TheKnight_: you probably need to get it from mozilla addons |
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| 12:28.26 | TheKnight_ | ChrisH, themill no, there was a tor button package in debian, it was not an iceweasel addon |
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| 12:29.24 | themill | well, it was an iceweasel addon that was in a package... feel free to call it whatever you like |
| 12:30.20 | themill | You've already established that it's no longer available (which is correct, it isn't) so I'm offering you a plan B. |
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| 12:30.38 | babilen | TheKnight_: fwiw, tor strongly recommends to use tor-browser |
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| 12:32.10 | TheKnight_ | themill, i was not polemize with your suggestions.. ;) however i checked in addons and there's not anything similar...dunno why...however it's not a so dramatic problem...;) |
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| 12:32.28 | TheKnight_ | babilen, thanks for suggestion...is tor-browser in repos? |
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| 12:33.37 | ChrisH | TheKnight_: are you looking for https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/foxtor/?src=search |
| 12:34.11 | babilen | TheKnight_: Don't think so, it is a self-contained download |
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| 12:37.27 | pocahantass | tes la ? |
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| 12:38.22 | pocahantass | la ? |
| 12:38.48 | themill | !fr |
| 12:38.48 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 12:39.02 | pocahantass | dรฉsolรฉe .... |
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| 12:39.15 | Linux_vista1 | c'est bon ^ |
| 12:39.29 | schreber | is there a how-to available for making a debian server into an AD (lamp, lemp, etc.)? |
| 12:39.36 | pocahantass | c'est toi ? |
| 12:39.37 | pocahantass | ^ |
| 12:39.39 | Linux_vista1 | oui^ |
| 12:39.40 | pocahantass | http://www.leboncoin.fr/emploi/634746377.htm?ca=18_s |
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| 12:39.56 | Linux_vista1 | merci |
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| 12:40.11 | themill | Linux_vista, pocahantass: wrong channel. |
| 12:40.35 | pocahantass | wrong channel ? |
| 12:40.39 | pocahantass | what's this N |
| 12:40.42 | pocahantass | ? |
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| 12:41.06 | Linux_vista1 | lol |
| 12:41.10 | JIV | Can someone help me fix this : bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: No such file or directory --> was trying switch to 64b |
| 12:41.21 | themill | JIV: "switch"? |
| 12:41.45 | JIV | themill: swtich? |
| 12:41.57 | themill | that's what you said... |
| 12:42.06 | JIV | yes ditch 32b and move to 64b |
| 12:42.26 | themill | what are you actually doing? |
| 12:42.29 | JIV | i installed 64b packages before installing kernel :/ |
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| 12:42.56 | JIV | 1. dpkg --add-architecture amd64 |
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| 12:43.13 | JIV | then apt-get install dpkg:amd64 -- now its broke :/ |
| 12:43.21 | themill | yeah, that's not going to work |
| 12:43.35 | JIV | is there a way how to fix this? |
| 12:43.47 | themill | You need to do a lot of very hard work to change from i386 to amd64 on an existing installationg. |
| 12:44.25 | JIV | its not so hard if i didnt forget to switch kernel first |
| 12:44.53 | themill | um.., that wouldn't be step 3 even if you had installed a kernel |
| 12:45.14 | JIV | ok so how can i install dpkg 32b back? |
| 12:45.24 | themill | JIV: aptitude download dpkg:i386; busybox dpkg-deb -x dpkg*_i386.deb / |
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| 12:46.10 | JIV | dpkg-deb: applet not found |
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| 12:46.28 | themill | which version of debian is this? |
| 12:46.36 | JIV | 7.2 |
| 12:47.14 | themill | hmm... that applet's only in busybox-static. |
| 12:47.14 | malinus | Why isn't /sbin/ added to path after a default debain installation :V |
| 12:47.31 | themill | malinus: because the normal user doesn't need things in it |
| 12:47.49 | malinus | I see |
| 12:47.54 | themill | JIV: you'll have to ar x dpkg*_deb; and then untar the data.tar.* |
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| 12:52.23 | malinus | I did a installation where the wizard told me it would be best to not allow root login, and have a normal user that could simply use sudo. I figured it would still actually allow me to change to the root user, but no. So now I'm not really able to do any administartive work required. Any ideas? |
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| 12:53.14 | JIV | themill: bash: ar: command not found |
| 12:53.31 | themill | malinus: you can just use sudo. If you want, change the root password and you can su -. |
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| 12:54.10 | malinus | themill, how would I change the root password? |
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| 12:54.56 | malinus | themill, oh. nvm. I can do sudo -i |
| 12:54.58 | wols | malinus: sudo passwd root |
| 12:55.17 | themill | JIV: just copying /usr/bin/dpkg from another machine should work. |
| 12:55.47 | JIV | themill: oki |
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| 12:56.39 | themill | JIV: or better, /usr/bin/dpkg-deb and then use it to extract dpkg. Or busybox from the busybox-static package |
| 12:56.44 | no_gravity | Good Afternoon from Germany |
| 12:56.58 | no_gravity | did anybody here bought an usb-stick lately? |
| 12:57.07 | malinus | wols, after installation, when I'm doing iwlist scan, I get the "wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down". any ideas? |
| 12:57.15 | abrotman | no_gravity: Please don't take annoying polls, ask your real question |
| 12:57.43 | JIV | themill: maybe all dpkg-* ? |
| 12:58.20 | themill | JIV: dpkg-deb should be enough to extract the package |
| 12:58.24 | wols | malinus: ifconfig wlan0 up ? |
| 12:59.01 | no_gravity | abrotman: its not really a debian question. i made a map of flashdrives today because i wanted to see all flash drives sorted by prize and size. now i wonder if that thing would be useful to others as well. |
| 12:59.14 | malinus | wols, thanks |
| 12:59.33 | JIV | themill: ok, now what?> |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | no_gravity: seriously? wtf .. use #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:59.48 | themill | JIV: dpkg-deb dpkg*_i386.deb / |
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| 13:00.07 | no_gravity | abrotman: well, no prob. just was looking for other tech people. if its too off-topic, ok. |
| 13:00.55 | JIV | themill: dpkg-deb: error: need an action option -- should i add -x ? |
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| 13:01.23 | themill | err yes, -x |
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| 13:02.14 | JIV | themill: ok its done, now i have it fixed? |
| 13:02.32 | themill | yeah, try it out. apt-get install sl |
| 13:03.31 | JIV | themill: still smnth wrong :/ http://pastebin.com/BfuiAvKg |
| 13:03.57 | JIV | themill: should i do what it says? |
| 13:04.16 | themill | JIV: ahh... you should "dpkg -i dpkg*_i386.deb" so that your new dpkg is both unpacked and installed |
| 13:04.24 | JIV | oki |
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| 13:04.41 | themill | (yes, apt would probably do that too, but you can do it manually easily enough) |
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| 13:05.32 | JIV | one more left: libc6:amd64 : Depends: libc-bin:amd64 (= 2.13-38+deb7u1) but it is not installable |
| 13:05.42 | JIV | i did install it after add arch 64b |
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| 13:06.04 | JIV | shouled i do -- apt-get -f install? |
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| 13:06.54 | danols_work | is emdebian dead ? |
| 13:07.33 | themill | JIV: what did you do earlier with libc6*? |
| 13:07.41 | themill | libc* |
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| 13:08.17 | JIV | themill: i installed it, anyway -f option fixed it. Now im installing linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:08.24 | JIV | themill: thx 4 help |
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| 13:09.00 | JIV | themill: btw is this guide http://blog.manty.net/2013/04/migrating-from-32-to-64-bits-going-from.html correct? |
| 13:09.02 | themill | JIV: you might want to do some more reading and planning and perhaps try this out in a disposable VM. It's not nearly as easy as you think |
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| 13:09.46 | themill | no, that guide is full of crap |
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| 13:10.12 | JIV | themill: its not production :) |
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| 13:10.33 | JIV | themill: oh, do u have some better one? |
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| 13:10.35 | themill | well you wanted to recover that installation rather than just blowing it away and starting again |
| 13:11.10 | themill | JIV: it's not a 100% robust approach but, with some assembly required, does work: http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/crossgrading |
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| 13:12.28 | cRat | morning chaps |
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| 13:13.19 | JIV | themill: ok thx, i will let you know if i got some errors :)) |
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| 13:14.25 | SynrG | Kingsy: i suspect that was only updated at the time the raid array was last assembled |
| 13:14.29 | cRat | I'm running Debian 7.4 and have gnome3 as my desktop...trying it out. Been running openbox. the only gripe that I have so far is that the freaking brightness changes at random times. Mostly, when I have it set to 100% about 15 minutes will pass, i switch to another brower window...bam brightness goes down a bout 20% |
| 13:14.40 | cRat | have you guys ran into that ? |
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| 13:15.26 | SynrG | cRat: not since i changed my settings to not do that, no |
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| 13:15.53 | cRat | got to love irc...always never a full answer |
| 13:15.57 | SynrG | cRat: i no longer remember the exact click-path to it (my only remaining gnome3 systems i could check are now on jessie/sid's version) |
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| 13:16.07 | SynrG | i would tell you *if* i knew |
| 13:16.11 | SynrG | not trying to jerk you around |
| 13:16.14 | cRat | i know man |
| 13:16.17 | cRat | thanks tho |
| 13:16.25 | SynrG | i happen to know that one went through a reorg |
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| 13:16.47 | cRat | I've actually gone through everything I know within gnome, but it wont stick |
| 13:16.48 | SynrG | cRat: so wait, gnome3 + openbox? |
| 13:16.52 | cRat | pain in the arse |
| 13:17.00 | cRat | no just gnome3 |
| 13:17.00 | SynrG | i'm confused |
| 13:17.03 | SynrG | ah. |
| 13:17.07 | cRat | openbox is fine |
| 13:17.12 | cRat | works like a charm |
| 13:17.34 | SynrG | so, Settings > something to do with screen lock ... |
| 13:17.38 | SynrG | is my hazy recollection |
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| 13:17.52 | SynrG | that, and/or Power |
| 13:17.53 | cRat | yeah I can set that, but it's almost completely ignored |
| 13:18.02 | cRat | definitely strange |
| 13:18.16 | SynrG | it's a slow fade back, hm? |
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| 13:18.33 | SynrG | if so, that's definitely gnome kicking in and doing it |
| 13:18.54 | cRat | no worries mate...yeah I'll keep poking around on forums to see if anyone has a fix |
| 13:19.26 | SynrG | oh, hmm. i do have this other wheezy system with gnome3 .... sec |
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| 13:22.42 | SynrG | cRat: try dconf-editor |
| 13:22.58 | cRat | ok I'll give that a try |
| 13:23.16 | SynrG | org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power |
| 13:23.34 | SynrG | uncheck idle-dim-ac and/or idle-dim-battery |
| 13:23.47 | SynrG | and/or change idle-brightness ... |
| 13:23.55 | SynrG | and/or change idle-dim-time |
| 13:23.58 | malinus | okay I finally realized that iwconfig is not able to connect tot wpa2 router |
| 13:24.11 | malinus | so what now :)? |
| 13:24.17 | SynrG | cRat: man. it was so long ago i changed that, i totally forgot :) |
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| 13:26.06 | Aut0Exec | someone please help me with https://github.com/dlundquist/sniproxy . I'm follow the instructions for debian but the dpkg-buildpackage part fails |
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| 13:27.54 | SynrG | Aut0Exec: fails how? explodes? sets the cat on fire? |
| 13:28.00 | Aut0Exec | heh |
| 13:28.02 | themill | meow |
| 13:28.05 | Aut0Exec | hold on let me give you the exact error |
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| 13:30.15 | Aut0Exec | ls |
| 13:30.25 | Aut0Exec | SynrG: http://pastebin.com/hZX6WAbM |
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| 13:33.45 | SynrG | Aut0Exec: ask upstream if it is buildable on your release (wheezy?) |
| 13:34.27 | Aut0Exec | yeah sheezy |
| 13:34.35 | Aut0Exec | wheezy lol |
| 13:34.37 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 13:35.25 | SynrG | Aut0Exec: build deps are: |
| 13:35.26 | SynrG | Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 8.0.0), dh-autoreconf, autotools-dev, pkg-config, libev-dev (>= 4.0), libpcre3-dev |
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| 13:35.39 | SynrG | they have not specified many versions there. there may be some lower limit |
| 13:35.50 | SynrG | ,v autotools-dev |
| 13:35.51 | judd | Package: autotools-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 20100122.1; wheezy: 20120608.1; jessie: 20130810.1; sid: 20130810.1 |
| 13:35.57 | SynrG | or some such |
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| 13:36.36 | themill | it doesn't build in sid either |
| 13:36.43 | SynrG | great |
| 13:36.52 | SynrG | so, this is upstream's problem to fix |
| 13:36.59 | Aut0Exec | oh |
| 13:37.02 | Aut0Exec | :( |
| 13:37.06 | Aut0Exec | sux |
| 13:37.11 | SynrG | if you know what you're doing you *might* be able to figure it out on your own ... and send them a patch .. |
| 13:37.18 | SynrG | if not, you're at their mercy to fix it |
| 13:37.23 | Aut0Exec | yeah |
| 13:37.25 | Aut0Exec | latter |
| 13:37.28 | Aut0Exec | lol |
| 13:37.32 | themill | fun with autotools |
| 13:37.37 | Aut0Exec | heh |
| 13:37.40 | Aut0Exec | thank you guys so much |
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| 13:37.44 | Aut0Exec | very helpful |
| 13:37.44 | SynrG | np. good luck |
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| 13:40.37 | marz | I'm having problems with my Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 wireless driver, my WiFi is so slow. Tried some of the suggested steps from other sites, still doesn't work. |
| 13:42.04 | wols | !tell marz about bcm4313 |
| 13:42.06 | SynrG | piece of carp |
| 13:42.15 | wols | the broadcom proprietary driver could be faster |
| 13:42.35 | marz | wols: How do I go about doing it? |
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| 13:43.01 | wols | marz: you start reading what dpkg messaged you |
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| 13:43.16 | wols | !tell marz about wl |
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| 13:46.12 | luminoso | hello all . i was following this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-configure-automatic-updates-on-debian-squeeze but it looks like mine is tottaly diffrente. i dont have the "-security" but "stable" and "stable-updates" |
| 13:46.20 | luminoso | how do i know which is the right one? |
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| 13:52.14 | wols | !tell luminoso about squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:55.13 | malinus | I've installed xbmc on a "headless" debain installation (no DE/WM). and now it's telling me that it was unable to open display and it needs hardware accelareted openGL rendering, and that I should install the appropriate graphics drivers. Any ideas? |
| 13:55.28 | marz | wols: I already did https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211, wifi still very weak unlike windows |
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| 13:58.20 | wols | marz: and I explicitly made dpkg to tell you about the wl driver however |
| 13:58.52 | marz | wols: I'm sorry I'm totally new to all of this, does it mean that this will not get better? |
| 13:58.57 | SynrG | malinus: i'm not sure what 'headless xbmc' would actually look like ... :) |
| 13:59.08 | wols | I means you should use the wl driver as I told you |
| 13:59.09 | SynrG | is puzzled at the use of the word 'headless' here |
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| 13:59.26 | malinus | SynrG, well I would imagine I would just install X and it would run trough it? |
| 13:59.37 | malinus | SynrG, I actually thought it would be a dependencie |
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| 13:59.46 | wols | malinus: what videocard do you have? and this time I want the PCI id. (lspci -nn) |
| 14:00.01 | wols | malinus: yes. you need to install xorg if you want a GUI |
| 14:00.02 | SynrG | malinus: no, X doesn't need to be a dependency of an X client |
| 14:00.11 | SynrG | malinus: e.g. ssh -X myserver xbmc |
| 14:00.17 | SynrG | now, that would *suck* ... |
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| 14:00.31 | SynrG | but this illustrates why an X server isn't a dep |
| 14:00.40 | malinus | SynrG, good point |
| 14:00.43 | wols | SynrG: he meant without when he referred to headless it seems |
| 14:00.51 | wols | *without a DE |
| 14:01.01 | SynrG | yes. that's not a "normal" meaning for headless |
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| 14:01.09 | malinus | I know, my bad |
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| 14:01.22 | malinus | I meant to write "headless" (no DE/WM) |
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| 14:01.38 | SynrG | or just say "no DE/WM" and that is clearer |
| 14:01.49 | marz | I'm getting error installing virtual box |
| 14:01.53 | marz | It says The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (3.11-2-amd64) or it failed to load. |
| 14:01.53 | SynrG | anyway, install xorg, or some minimal subset of it for your hardware. |
| 14:01.56 | wols | malinus: headless generally means without a monitor and graphics card |
| 14:02.21 | wols | marz: which debian is this? |
| 14:02.26 | wols | ,kernels |
| 14:02.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.6-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 14:02.50 | marz | wols: 3.11-2-amd64 |
| 14:02.51 | malinus | SynrG, so just xorg? |
| 14:03.02 | wols | malinus: that is a kernel version. it's not debian |
| 14:03.07 | wols | marz: ^ |
| 14:03.14 | wols | marz: just xorg yes |
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| 14:03.27 | SynrG | malinus: that should do it. you might want xinit, too |
| 14:03.47 | wols | SynrG: xorg gets him all that. metapackage |
| 14:03.54 | wols | it's a minimal X11 |
| 14:04.12 | SynrG | wols: ah, i was forgetting in my own unbundled install i did not use the metapackage |
| 14:04.13 | marz | wols: what? |
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| 14:04.55 | wols | marz: get a proper kernel for your debian. if you run debian at all. |
| 14:05.12 | wols | marz: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 14:05.24 | SynrG | apt-get install --without-recommends xinit xserver-xorg-video-$foo xserver-xorg-input-evdev xfonts-base |
| 14:05.27 | SynrG | or so :) |
| 14:05.40 | SynrG | that's about as minimal as you can go |
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| 14:06.05 | marz | wols: When i type in that command, it shows "ii libc6:amd64 2.17-97 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
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| 14:06.13 | wols | which you shouldn't do if you want xbmc. you want apt-get installx org |
| 14:06.19 | wols | which you shouldn't do if you want xbmc. you want apt-get install xorg |
| 14:06.26 | wols | ,v libc6 |
| 14:06.28 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-4; sid: 2.18-4 |
| 14:06.37 | wols | marz: you lack a dist-upgrade |
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| 14:07.04 | marz | wols: Actually this distro is linux mint, hehehe it's the new LMDE. hehe |
| 14:07.05 | SynrG | i guess it needs at least libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri too? anyway, do what wols advises. i was just remembering why i thought xinit needed to be installed separately |
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| 14:07.39 | SynrG | !lmde |
| 14:07.41 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 14:07.41 | themill | marz: you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org then, not #debian |
| 14:07.51 | marz | themill: I'm sorry |
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| 14:10.36 | malinus | wols, SynrG nope. Still error, even with xorg installed |
| 14:10.50 | wols | malinus: I asked for your videocard. I won't ask again |
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| 14:11.53 | SynrG | malinus: you can't just start xbmc from the console, you know. it needs to be invoked when you start X ... |
| 14:12.01 | redShadow | ..anybody still experiencing this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707201 on jessie? |
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| 14:12.23 | redShadow | I just upgraded, and had to unmount cgroups in order to be able to run (kvm) vms.. |
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| 14:12.41 | redShadow | I'm not using cgroup ATM, but it's annoying. |
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| 14:13.12 | SynrG | malinus: plus what wols said: |
| 14:13.14 | SynrG | 10:59 < wols> malinus: what videocard do you have? and this time I want the PCI id. (lspci -nn) |
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| 14:13.33 | SynrG | or specifically: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 14:14.01 | SynrG | the interesting part is the [####:####] at the end of that line |
| 14:14.44 | malinus | SynrG, wols: [Radeon HD 5000M Series] [1002:68c1]. It's a switchable thingie |
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| 14:15.37 | wols | shit. switchable is bad. what notebook is it? |
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| 14:17.13 | malinus | wols, I know. it's acer aspire 3820tg. It worked fine with ubuntu though. I have it set to "discrete" under graphic mode in bios. |
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| 14:18.40 | deferi | X has always 100% cpu usage whats wrong? http://pastebin.com/wZBDSi2D |
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| 14:18.57 | SynrG | wols: gotta go. over to you :) |
| 14:19.04 | SynrG | malinus: good luck |
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| 14:19.46 | malinus | thanks |
| 14:19.59 | malinus | SynrG, one more thing |
| 14:20.05 | malinus | :) |
| 14:20.16 | malinus | SynrG, so how would I make it launch xbmc in xorg? |
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| 14:25.34 | malinus | wols, when I currently startx it changes resolution, I can see the promt in left upper corner, but I can't write anything in it |
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| 14:26.44 | wols | malinus: there should be no prompt. there should be a mouse cursor however |
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| 14:27.42 | wols | malinus: create a ~/.xinitrc file and put xbmc there |
| 14:27.49 | wols | then xbmc should start when your X starts |
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| 14:31.23 | malinus | wols, that works just fine, thank you very very much |
| 14:31.28 | mo1991 | on my drupal 7 install, I am getting an error that ffmpeg is not installed - even though it is installed. Using debian wheezy. any drupal guys around? |
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| 14:32.15 | xeon123 | I am trying to install moreutils in debian 6, and I get this error: moreutils : Depends: libipc-run-perl but it is not going to be installed. How can I install moreutils? |
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| 14:35.28 | HDRDan | How do I install Java 7 JRE on a Deb box? |
| 14:35.31 | HDRDan | apt-get install default-jre is 6. |
| 14:35.37 | HDRDan | and I'm not having that... lol |
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| 14:36.08 | miss0r | HDRDan, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-debian.html |
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| 14:36.57 | wols | ,v libipc-run-perl |
| 14:36.58 | judd | Package: libipc-run-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.89-1; jessie: 0.92-1; sid: 0.92-1; wheezy: 0.92-1 |
| 14:37.12 | wols | xeon123: where is this moreutils package from? |
| 14:37.23 | HDRDan | miss0r, thanks./ |
| 14:37.40 | musca | !java-package |
| 14:37.40 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
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| 14:38.49 | xeon123 | wols: It is in the debian tools. |
| 14:38.58 | xeon123 | wols: debian packages |
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| 14:39.55 | nine-tails | hello... would anyone be kind enough to provide me their /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:39.57 | wols | xeon123: apt-get install moreutils libipc-run-perl |
| 14:40.12 | wols | nine-tails: man interfaces has nice examples. what is your actual problem? |
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| 14:40.25 | musca | HDRDan: miss0r: installing from PPA is clearly bad advice |
| 14:40.27 | nine-tails | wols: my roommate destroyed his file |
| 14:40.42 | nine-tails | wols: now he's searching for some "default example" |
| 14:40.55 | wols | nine-tails: does he use network-manager for assigning IPs to his ethernet or wlan? |
| 14:40.59 | nine-tails | wols: is there a chance you could pastevin yours ? |
| 14:41.00 | xeon123 | wols: with this command "apt-get install moreutils libipc-run-perl libio-pty-perl perlapi-5.14.2", I get "perl-base 5.14.2-21+deb7u1 [Not candidate version]" |
| 14:41.03 | miss0r | musca, Why would you say that? |
| 14:41.15 | HDRDan | Yeah, why? |
| 14:41.16 | HDRDan | tXD |
| 14:41.23 | HDRDan | Unsafe? |
| 14:41.26 | HDRDan | I doubt it. |
| 14:41.35 | HDRDan | hugs musca |
| 14:41.37 | wols | HDRDan: you doubt wrong |
| 14:41.38 | wols | !ppa |
| 14:41.38 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 14:41.39 | HDRDan | It's okay, buddy. |
| 14:41.46 | nine-tails | wols: can you pastebin yours ? |
| 14:42.00 | HDRDan | I'll use all the PPA's I want. |
| 14:42.07 | musca | !why not use a ppa |
| 14:42.07 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
| 14:42.12 | HDRDan | It's not like I'm TOP SKERTZ OVUR HER |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell musca about bottell |
| 14:42.20 | wols | using PPAs is fine. telling other people to use PPAs in debian is however not. so please don't do it |
| 14:42.30 | HDRDan | Debian==Ubuntu |
| 14:42.34 | HDRDan | :) |
| 14:42.36 | miss0r | HDRDan, noone is telling you that you can't, they are advising against it. |
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| 14:42.42 | wols | HDRDan: and that's where you are totally wrong and ignroant |
| 14:42.48 | abrotman | Good thing he left, I was about to force him |
| 14:42.50 | miss0r | I made mine work using that guide. |
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| 14:44.36 | JaneSmith | !package recompile |
| 14:44.36 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 14:53.37 | andry | just bought a sitecom wifi router and guess what ... it used minidlnad as dlna server :) open source everywhere.. |
| 14:53.42 | andry | uses |
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| 15:22.59 | doublehp | to get a very quick live CD, is knoppix still the best choice ? |
| 15:23.37 | wols | debian live is the best choice obviously :) |
| 15:23.50 | wols | just take whatever you are comofortable with and that is not too old |
| 15:24.13 | doublehp | any that have a working SMB browser ... |
| 15:24.55 | wols | it's just that #debian is the wrong place to ask which disotro/CD to use... |
| 15:25.02 | SynrG | you can check the contents of the debian live CDs in .packages files alongside the images themselves |
| 15:25.15 | SynrG | and confirm if our images contain what you want |
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| 15:30.46 | doublehp | is there a live online server for PXE boot ? so that my DHCP server can directly state the NEXT-SERVER as an online IP |
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| 15:34.36 | Leoneof | hi, i cannot find ia32-libs package for Debian Jessie |
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| 15:36.35 | babilen | Leoneof: Install whatever you need directly and ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net about jessie/unstable related problems |
| 15:36.40 | SynrG | Leoneof: first, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support; second, that's correct, there isn't. ia32-libs is the old, pre-multiarch-support way and so it has been removed |
| 15:36.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Leoneof -about multiarch |
| 15:36.58 | SynrG | hmm. is there an echo in here? |
| 15:37.03 | babilen | heh |
| 15:37.06 | SynrG | gets lunch |
| 15:37.15 | Leoneof | babilen: thanks :) |
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| 15:38.25 | Leoneof | SynrG: thanks :) |
| 15:38.38 | Blakney | I guess it's normal if downloading an update just stops - http.debian.net wheezy main amd64 does not seem to be available atm |
| 15:39.22 | Blakney | at least not for me... |
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| 15:40.14 | babilen | Blakney: Check the actual mirror behind it. You can then wait for it to be noticed/fixed or change your mirror |
| 15:40.28 | SynrG | http.debian.net is an http redirector |
| 15:40.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell Blakney -about which http.debian.net |
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| 15:42.16 | Blakney | SynrG babilen ok, thank you |
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| 15:48.08 | Mongo44 | Anyone have any success with Netflix. I may just install a cheap Windows OS for it. |
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| 16:10.25 | Spr1ng | Is there a way to make the default built in mail handler use an ISP SMTP smarthost to relay system generated mail instead of using DNS MX lookups and sending direct to the recipients mail host? |
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| 16:12.02 | jelly | Spr1ng: uh, there is no default built-in. |
| 16:12.47 | Spr1ng | im sure there is but i probably have the terminology wrong. i can send "mail -s blah blah" from a system. |
| 16:13.01 | Spr1ng | That uses dns mx lookups and sends mail direct correct? |
| 16:13.33 | jelly | Spr1ng: mail command uses /usr/sbin/sendmail for actual submission. What does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say? |
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| 16:13.57 | Spr1ng | postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:14.24 | jelly | Spr1ng: are you sure this is Debian? postfix wouldn't be the default option. |
| 16:14.48 | Spr1ng | It's proxmox, but debian based. Unless proxmox devs change the default mta |
| 16:15.00 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 16:15.00 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 16:16.07 | jelly | Spr1ng: if this _were_ debian, you'd be able to set "relayhost" in postfix configuration or use "dpkg-reconfigure postfix". I don't know whether this would break your derivative OS, ask the right vendor. |
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| 16:16.32 | Spr1ng | alright thanks |
| 16:16.47 | N34lO | hi, when will jessie be released? or better sayed when will squeeze support be dropped |
| 16:19.10 | jhutchins | N34lO: Debian does not release according to a schedule. |
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| 16:20.10 | jelly | N34lO: the last couple releases have had support for oldstable end a year after the new release got out. That'd be May 2014 for squeeze. |
| 16:20.15 | jelly | !release history |
| 16:20.16 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 16:21.20 | Leoneof | is there any option in apt-mirror or reprepro to NOT download *-dbg_* files? |
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| 16:23.04 | N34lO | jelli, ah ok - thanks, so better not build on squeeze then (I need PHP 5.3 support) |
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| 16:23.34 | N34lO | and how far is jessie currently? - think you want to switch to systemd(?) how far is that until now? |
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| 16:30.15 | jelly | it's hard to eevn try to guess about jessie |
| 16:30.19 | jelly | !jessie pool 1 |
| 16:30.19 | dpkg | ! gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babฤซlen=2015-05-23 themรญll=2015-06-23 abrotman=2015-07-24 |
| 16:30.32 | jelly | N34lO: signs point to 2015 |
| 16:30.46 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:30.50 | jelly | HAI |
| 16:31.05 | abrotman | can't remember why he picked that day .. |
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| 16:31.15 | jelly | you forgot an accent in the highlight evader |
| 16:31.29 | abrotman | but apparently I should change it to 23rd of July |
| 16:32.03 | jelly | dpkg: jessie pool 1 =~ s/abrotman=2015-07-24/abrรถtman=2015-07-24 jelly=2016-01-01/ |
| 16:32.04 | dpkg | OK, jelly |
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| 16:32.24 | jelly | oh, sorry |
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| 16:32.56 | jelly | dpkg: jessie pool 1 =~ s/abrรถtman=2015-07-24 jelly=2016-01-01/abrรถtman=2015-07-23 jellรฟ=2016-01-01/ |
| 16:32.56 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 16:33.02 | jelly | better? |
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| 16:44.22 | malinus | I have xbmc and xorg installed on debain. But I have some problems with resolution/scaling. When the resolution is 1920x1080, the xbmc is only partiacly visible in the left upper corner. I'm not sure if this is a debain, xorg or xbmc problem. |
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| 16:52.32 | gloomery | how to properly export aufs via nfs? |
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| 16:53.11 | jelly | gloomery: you probably Just Can't |
| 16:53.50 | Brigo | malinus, can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? |
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| 16:54.02 | jelly | gloomery: the manual page says you can tho, have you read it? http://aufs.sourceforge.net/aufs3/man.html#Exporting Aufs via NFS |
| 16:54.11 | ctmjr | malinus: does the rest of your desktop look ok and other apps like web browsers |
| 16:54.15 | jelly | http://aufs.sourceforge.net/aufs3/man.html#Exporting%20Aufs%20via%20NFS |
| 16:54.31 | gloomery | yes, i read it, and tries fsid=0 and crossmnt |
| 16:54.39 | gloomery | that does not help |
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| 16:55.39 | malinus | ctmjr, I have no desktop |
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| 16:56.30 | jelly | gloomery: note that debian uses initramfs. I have no idea whether the relevant caveat applies. |
| 16:57.17 | malinus | Brigo, http://hastebin.com/raw/vabavesiho |
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| 16:58.09 | gloomery | orginally my problem posted here: http://www.reddit.com/r/BAMT/comments/215lpd/nfs_boot_problem/ |
| 16:59.01 | malinus | ctmjr, so I can't really tell you. I don't have any other applications using X |
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| 17:00.42 | Brigo | malinus, you could install someone, only for testing ... The log looks good, but you have not direct rendering, it could be the problem, but i am not sure. |
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| 17:02.41 | nell | im doing a debian minimal install |
| 17:02.42 | jhutchins | malinus: #xbmc |
| 17:02.50 | nell | is it more secure to separate /home /usr /var and /tmp |
| 17:02.58 | jhutchins | nell: No. |
| 17:03.10 | nell | what about /home |
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| 17:03.29 | abrotman | nell: it's far more practical. If you needed to do a reinstall, you don't have to obliterate /home/ |
| 17:03.32 | Mongo44 | What is the command for installing the latest version of Wine available in Wheezy bacports. |
| 17:03.38 | jhutchins | nell: My advice is until you know how you will use the system and where you will accumulate data, use a single partition + swap. |
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| 17:04.08 | jhutchins | nell: Otherewise you're pretty much guaranteed to run out of space on one partition when there's plenty on another. |
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| 17:04.16 | jelly | introduces jhutchins to lvm |
| 17:04.18 | nell | jhutchins: why can't I repartition if I choose encrypted luks? |
| 17:04.23 | jhutchins | nell: There are no real security issues related to partitioning, espicially on a single-user system. |
| 17:04.57 | abrotman | jelly: jhutchins believes that LVM is unstable and useless. Where have you been? |
| 17:05.03 | abrotman | He also has wired his house with 10base-2 |
| 17:05.08 | jhutchins | nell: You can always repartition because you will keep good backups. This will help when luks fails as well. |
| 17:05.11 | jelly | nell: I agree with jhutchins assessment tho for different reasons. |
| 17:05.21 | jelly | :-) |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly | to find out whether a setting is "more secure", you need to know the kind of attack you're protecting from |
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| 17:06.43 | abrotman | tries to telnet to jelly |
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| 17:07.42 | rescat | test |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | .. |
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| 17:09.44 | rescat | I did an install of debian and allowed it to create a separate partition for /home. Sadly, this is causing major problems because apt-get can't install anything since it says /root is out of space. I tried chroot to /home but got errors. |
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| 17:10.12 | abrotman | rescat: how small is / ? |
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| 17:10.30 | rescat | abrotman: / has 10gb 0% full, /home has 300GB free. I |
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| 17:10.40 | rescat | i meant 0% free |
| 17:10.50 | abrotman | rescat: is this a desktop ? |
| 17:10.58 | rescat | abrotman: laptop, yes |
| 17:11.15 | nell | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.18 | abrotman | rescat: did you use LVM when you installed? |
| 17:11.24 | rescat | abrotman: yes |
| 17:11.29 | abrotman | rescat: so you can resize |
| 17:11.46 | rescat | abrotman: i tried gparted but it wouldn't let me |
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| 17:12.05 | rescat | abrotman: i've currently run rescatux the live CD maybe i can resize with that |
| 17:12.25 | abrotman | is pretty sure gparted isn't the way to do that |
| 17:12.39 | rescat | what's the best way to resize? |
| 17:13.05 | jhutchins | rescat: backup, repartition, restore. |
| 17:13.24 | rescat | jhutchins: what tool should I use to repartition? |
| 17:13.32 | rescat | do you just mean reinstall? |
| 17:13.51 | jhutchins | rescat: No, just restore your backup. |
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| 17:14.07 | abrotman | he has LVM, why should he reinstall? |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | rescat: please ignore jhutchins |
| 17:14.15 | granny | nell, if you use encrypted partitions you should encrypt the swap area too |
| 17:14.22 | rescat | abrotman: ok |
| 17:14.33 | jhutchins | rescat: I'd just use a live CD and rsync myself, but you should have regular backups already. |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | rescat: articles like this, http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/resize-your-disks-on-the-fly-with-lvm google "resize LVM" You should be able to do this, and it's good learning |
| 17:15.07 | rescat | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:15.49 | abrotman | rescat: LVM is made to be expanded and shrunk .. that's the idea of the tool |
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| 17:24.20 | jelly | resc...eh |
| 17:24.51 | abrotman | gones! |
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| 17:30.20 | malinus | jhutchins, I'm pretty sure this is a problem with either xorg or debain and not xbmc |
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| 17:32.17 | engla | how sad that sagemath is not in debian. what's the best way to install it? |
| 17:32.27 | abrotman | engla: file an RFP |
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| 17:33.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell engla about rfp |
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| 17:34.58 | engla | thanks. there is already some tracking of the issue https://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/Sage |
| 17:35.12 | engla | I'm wondering if anyone would say how they installed it (customly) |
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| 17:49.29 | engla | upstream sagemath tarball ships a non-gc'd .git directory.. wtf |
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| 18:01.10 | mcurran | I seems a lot cleaner to me to have the extensions folder symlinked from it's system default directory "/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions" to the user directory "/home/<user>/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/" and then give user permissions to the native directory so that firefox/nightly has permission to edit/install extensions... why duplicate, just security? |
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| 18:02.47 | mcurran | otherwise, it just seems messy to me, but that just could be my nature from running as root for so many year in a pentest env. Anyways I couldn't find a cleaner solution to getting extensions working. not sure what the user themes extension does... |
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| 18:04.09 | mcurran | I'm still using gnome-shell 3.8.4, so maybe all my broken functionalities have been fixed in newer releases. Is there a way to pull it using debian unstable? |
| 18:05.20 | mcurran | Is upstream equal to experimental repos? |
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| 18:08.38 | sysvalve | hi |
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| 18:15.26 | malinus | I would really love to use my [Radeon HD 5000M Series] [1002:68c1] with the bios "switchable" setting, so my cpu doesn't run at 80% when x is running. The problem is, that I can't use any other visual output the vga. But when launching (startx) I get the "warning: output HDMI1 not found; ignoring". any ideas? |
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| 18:16.05 | wols | malinus: do you ues the external video output? |
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| 18:16.28 | wols | they often are only connected to one of the builtin videocard and not the other. especially on consumer stuff like acer |
| 18:17.10 | wols | and what is causing your CPU to go to 80% with xorg running? which process? |
| 18:17.45 | wols | it does get hotter since the hd5000m will need some poewr, but the cpu load is something totally different and has nothing to do with that |
| 18:17.49 | wols | ,pciid 1002:68c1 |
| 18:17.50 | judd | [1002:68c1] is 'Madison [Mobility Radeon HD 5650/5750 / 6530M/6550M]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:68c1 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 18:18.37 | wols | malinus: this is a radeon which might want non-free firmware. also use the fglrx driver, it's much MUCH better at powersaving |
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| 18:20.56 | nbits | i think switcheroo doesnt work with closed firmware |
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| 18:22.11 | DANtheBEASTman | so I just enabled wheezy-backports, and after apt-pinning them to 100, it wants to upgrade packages that I've installed/compiled my own versions of |
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| 18:22.50 | wols | DANtheBEASTman: you are not supposed to pin anything in backports |
| 18:22.53 | DANtheBEASTman | like I built and compiled tmux and vim and installed debs from their website, and if I enable backports it wants to upgrade them |
| 18:23.01 | wols | nbits: it does |
| 18:23.03 | DANtheBEASTman | *installed debs for weechat |
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| 18:23.40 | DANtheBEASTman | wols: I didn't pin anything until I noticed it wants to upgrade my custom packages |
| 18:23.44 | wols | DANtheBEASTman: that can't be. if you enable backports properly, the only way to get a backport is with -t wheezy-backports |
| 18:24.15 | DANtheBEASTman | how do I enable backports properly then? I just added the line my sources.list is there more to it? |
| 18:24.34 | malinus | wols, when it's set to "switchable" in bios, everything works with VGA (xorg, while booting, terminal and xbmc), but nothing ever displays over hdmi. When set to "descrete" hdmi works just fine, but I have 80% cpu usage and the fans going crazy when xorg+xbmc is running. |
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| 18:25.09 | wols | malinus: what process is using 80%? |
| 18:25.18 | malinus | wols, xorg |
| 18:25.22 | wols | and have you installed the firmware (non-free) I told you about? |
| 18:25.30 | malinus | no, I'm looking at that now |
| 18:25.54 | wols | or have you tried fglrx (which has much better power saving for radeons), alternatively, use kernel 3.13 from backports where the free radeon driver got a bit of that powersaving too |
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| 18:26.31 | malinus | wols, so just the fglrx-driver package? |
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| 18:26.50 | n-st | how can i find out when apt's package index was last updated? |
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| 18:27.07 | wols | !tell malinus about fglrx |
| 18:27.16 | wols | nbits: check the dates of the package files |
| 18:28.10 | wols | nbits: ls -al /var/cache/apt I think |
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| 18:29.41 | n-st | wols: thanks |
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| 18:30.24 | granny | Is it safe to install oh-my-zsh and use it as root? I would like to have identical shell experience in both unprivileged and privileged user. |
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| 18:33.01 | nbl | Hey =) |
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| 18:34.56 | malinus | wols, I've installed it and set it up, but hdmi still shows nothing |
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| 18:35.19 | wols | hdmi is only attached to the radeon |
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| 18:35.36 | wols | or to the intel. either way, only one of them can ues the hdmi and not the other |
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| 18:36.44 | malinus | wols, what would you suggest then? |
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| 18:37.08 | wols | the hdmi out works when you use the radeon, right? |
| 18:37.53 | malinus | wols, when the settings is to "descrete", so I think so? |
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| 18:38.31 | jelly-home | granny: I've been using zsh for some 18 years now, have taken a look at oh-my-zsh and wouldn't say its ability to inject code in your shell environment and accept code from lots of people is safe for anyone |
| 18:39.06 | wols | malinus: yes, discrete means the radeon. so you gotta use the radeon. install fglrx and use it |
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| 18:39.45 | malinus | wols, I still have some problems. because I can't use any resolution higher then the laptops screen resolution then. |
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| 18:41.41 | wols | malinus: try fglrx-control, you might be able to change it |
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| 18:44.13 | m0rd3cai | any have an issue with wheezy 7 where ROOT can log in just fine but normal usrs (uid 1001 and 1002) login will accept pwd, screen goes black, flashes a few lines of CLI on the screen and goes right back to login screen. failed pwd displays wrong pwd prompt so i know pwd is correct. |
| 18:44.45 | sysvalve | m0rd3cai: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 18:45.18 | jhutchins | m0rd3cai: That's often caused by incorrect ownership/permissions on files in $HOME. |
| 18:45.34 | jhutchins | m0rd3cai: Which is usually caused by running GUI programs as root. |
| 18:46.34 | malinus | wols, I've installed thed fglrx-control package, but there is no binary with that name :V |
| 18:46.49 | wols | dpkg -L fglrx-control|grep bin |
| 18:46.49 | dpkg | ii fglrx-control|grep bin 3.9-12.1 wols's private gamp collection |
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| 18:48.15 | RoyK | hm. trying to use nb_NO.utf8 l10n, but seems I'm missing something. this is a server, no gui, and I tried to install task-norwegian, but no luck so far: -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (nb_NO.utf8): No such file or directory |
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| 18:49.46 | malinus | wols, I don't have any binary with that name :/ |
| 18:49.48 | Pendrag0n | So I need to connect two servers, I was going to go between the extra NIC's with a cross over cable, but one of them doesn't have a second nic. I have a USB to LAN tid-bit, and I was going to use that, I am wondering then if I need to make a cross over cable, or if i can use a strait cat-5 and just flip it in the software? |
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| 18:50.24 | m0rd3cai | thanks jhutchins and sysvalve, i shall investigate |
| 18:50.34 | RoyK | Pendrag0n: no need for a crossover cable with gigabit and modern 100Mbps stuff |
| 18:50.43 | jelly-home | RoyK: dpkg-reconfigure locales, and select it |
| 18:50.54 | Pendrag0n | okay cool, so I don't have to make a cross over. |
| 18:51.00 | jelly-home | RoyK: (nb_NO.UTF-8 is the same thing) |
| 18:51.07 | Pendrag0n | thanks RoyK |
| 18:51.40 | jelly-home | ,v task-norwegian |
| 18:51.41 | judd | Package: task-norwegian on i386 -- wheezy: 3.14.1; jessie: 3.20; sid: 3.20 |
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| 18:52.36 | Blakney | I followed the steps here, in order to install the nvidia driver: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
| 18:53.08 | Blakney | I noticed that there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder |
| 18:53.19 | Procy0n | does anyone have any idea why this happens and how to fix it permamently? http://www.cheesed-off.com/311_lenovo-t520-unresponsive-touchpad-in-debian-wheezy/ |
| 18:53.27 | RoyK | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 18:54.04 | Blakney | Is it correct to use /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d instead? |
| 18:54.11 | RoyK | jelly-home: I know - just forgot to build those |
| 18:54.13 | m0rd3cai | http://pastebin.com/H5eXhFnn <---auth.log file... |
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| 18:54.28 | jelly-home | Blakney: nope, create the one under /etc if you need it |
| 18:54.31 | m0rd3cai | it fails when binding to port 22.... i do have open-ssh |
| 18:54.44 | Blakney | jelly-home I see, thank you |
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| 18:55.36 | m0rd3cai | Does that mean that SSHD is crashing X? |
| 18:55.58 | m0rd3cai | "debian sshd[114569] fatal:Cannot bind to any address" |
| 18:56.10 | m0rd3cai | thats the very end of my auth.log |
| 18:56.18 | ctmjr | Blakney: read the configuration part of the wiki |
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| 18:57.34 | Blakney | ctmjr Ok, thx, I'm following exactly the steps there |
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| 18:58.07 | jelly-home | m0rd3cai: not really. It typically means someone tried to start a new sshd service when one was running already. |
| 18:58.20 | m0rd3cai | crap... lol |
| 18:58.41 | m0rd3cai | where would i find the log for the x session that fails when i attempt to log in |
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| 18:59.10 | jelly-home | some of it will be in your $HOME/.xsession-errors, m0rd3cai |
| 18:59.38 | jelly-home | the X server part will be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar |
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| 19:00.08 | jelly-home | when X server restarts, that log gets rotated to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 19:04.29 | m0rd3cai | ok.... |
| 19:04.47 | m0rd3cai | so in theory if i log out, log in with normal user, it fails, then login with root, it SHOULD be the log.old right? |
| 19:05.08 | jhutchins | m0rd3cai: Are you logging in to a GUI as root? |
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| 19:07.24 | bt6 | For some reason the "1" character isn't showing on my computer. Is there a way to refresh my display/fonts to fix this without restarting the computer? |
| 19:07.36 | malinus | wols, pls help me. I really have no idea what to do now. I keep trying different stuff, and googling for a long time now. But I'm stuck. |
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| 19:08.06 | malinus | wols, I can't figure out how to get xorg to run at other resolution, fglrx or not |
| 19:08.40 | m0rd3cai | hutchins: root has no issue, my 2 other "normal" accts 1001 and 1002 uid cant. |
| 19:08.53 | m0rd3cai | x seems to restart back to login screen after accepting pwd |
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| 19:11.33 | wols | malinus: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:12.22 | wols | and the xrandr -q output |
| 19:13.13 | jelly-home | m0rd3cai: log in as user, fail, go to console and log in there _then_ inspect .old |
| 19:13.27 | m0rd3cai | what kills x? alt-ctrl-bkspce? |
| 19:13.30 | malinus | wols, http://paste.debian.net/89754/ (xorg.0.log) |
| 19:13.33 | m0rd3cai | i cant remember.... |
| 19:13.45 | jelly-home | m0rd3cai: that key combo is disabled by default these days |
| 19:14.32 | m0rd3cai | hrm. |
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| 19:15.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell m0rd3cai about dontzap |
| 19:15.46 | rozie | malinus: what resolution do you want to run? do you want it to run on external monitor? |
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| 19:15.52 | rozie | I'd try xrandr --auto |
| 19:16.10 | wols | malinus: amdcccle should let your set up the screens as you want them. probably they are in "clone"mode by default |
| 19:16.14 | m0rd3cai | dontzap? |
| 19:16.19 | sysvalve | jelly-home: did you fight with dpkg? doesn't seem to talk to you :P |
| 19:16.25 | m0rd3cai | lol |
| 19:16.48 | malinus | rozie, I want 1920x1080, the screen is broken, so I just want extrnal via hdmi |
| 19:17.22 | malinus | rozie, wols running xrandr just tells me that it can't open display. I'm not sure when I should run that? |
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| 19:17.48 | wols | you need to run it inside X |
| 19:17.53 | wols | in a xterm |
| 19:18.04 | jelly-home | sysvalve: I didn't ask it to talk to me, but mordecai. In private. |
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| 19:18.14 | malinus | oh |
| 19:18.24 | m0rd3cai | oh im getting some 1on1 time with dpkg lol |
| 19:18.53 | sysvalve | jelly-home: ah okay. So, my joke backfired, I fear. It's sad. |
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| 19:21.29 | malinus | wols, rozie I've started x with xvt. But I'm not able to input anything |
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| 19:21.40 | malinus | so I'm not able to do xrandr |
| 19:21.46 | m0rd3cai | well i did dpkg-reconfigure and setxkbmap, both worked but i cant killl x from login screen. i have to be logged in and x automiticaly restarts |
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| 19:22.22 | m0rd3cai | i have to login to root to kill and x just restarts.... |
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| 19:22.48 | wols | malinus: what is xvt? simply put "xterm&" as the first line of your .xinitrc for example |
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| 19:23.45 | mcurran | anyone have a suggestion on upgrading to gnome 3.10, should i pull repo experimental in debian, or try to build? |
| 19:24.01 | Blakney | ctmjr jelly-home Thanks a lot! After creating the directory and 20-nvidia.conf it gave me first a "no screens found" message. After changing nouveau to nvidia in Xorg.conf it does work now. |
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| 19:24.36 | fishsponge | hello! the font has just changed on the "Home" screen in kmymoney... do you know how to change it? |
| 19:24.38 | mcurran | use proprietary driver with latest patch. that's what i got. the nouveau driver has a huge memory leak |
| 19:24.42 | jelly-home | Blakney: the idea is not to have an xorg.conf at all, then the small snippet gets to be active |
| 19:25.04 | wols | malinus: your problem is a bad setting in amdcccle. you need to disable "mirror" so it let you choose different resolutions for both screens |
| 19:25.22 | mcurran | or runaway process. I had two dual core xeons running at constant 98% at idle with gnome-shell and nouveou (gtx660) |
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| 19:27.19 | Blakney | jelly-home I'm afraid I do not get it... Do you mean to delete "Section "Device"" in Xorg.conf? Or is there anything I could do to improve the system after the prop driver? Btw I just noticed that it takes 55 MB more of the memory now... |
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| 19:28.34 | jelly-home | Blakney: the whole file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you might not need it at all. |
| 19:28.43 | Blakney | ....and I have to say that the colors are much more vivid now |
| 19:29.13 | Blakney | jelly-home Might? Should I give it a try to rename it to .backup and reboot? |
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| 19:29.47 | jelly-home | Blakney: sure, but no need to reboot, just log off the current session |
| 19:29.52 | mcurran | are you still using X? do you guys happen to know if it's still possible to build compiz functionality on gnome fallback "classic" mode? |
| 19:29.58 | toketin | hi, i can't understood why my debian system doesn't enable the wifi connection, it works only if i leave the ethernet plugged in |
| 19:30.05 | jelly-home | mcurran: "still?" |
| 19:30.09 | mcurran | yeah |
| 19:30.23 | jelly-home | as if there's a viable alternative? |
| 19:30.26 | mcurran | i remember trying with mate-desktop and it broke with the latest packages |
| 19:30.29 | centrx | toketin, Do you have a wireless driver installed? |
| 19:30.47 | toketin | centrx: of course, it works if i leave the eth cable plugged in |
| 19:30.51 | mcurran | i know, i want to go back, but last time i tried i couldn't get compiz and x to work with gnome2/mate |
| 19:30.54 | jelly-home | a dekstop with wayland is years away |
| 19:31.03 | toketin | if i unplug ethernet cable, the wifi doesn't work anymore |
| 19:31.05 | mcurran | true |
| 19:31.15 | toketin | i've aleady installed "ifplugd" daemon |
| 19:31.16 | mcurran | what do you start off with? |
| 19:31.18 | mcurran | gnome2 |
| 19:31.38 | jelly-home | mcurran: all of gnome, mate, kde, what have you run on X |
| 19:31.39 | centrx | toketin, How do you know you are using the wireless network card and not the wired network card when the cable is plugged in? |
| 19:31.41 | mcurran | I was thinking of trying to build it withing gnome-shell and have the fallback mode work with compiz and also have gnome-shell as an alternative |
| 19:31.52 | mcurran | it would be a big waste of space but that's what I want |
| 19:32.08 | mcurran | all of them jelly-home |
| 19:32.19 | toketin | centrx: by logging into my board with ssh and the static IP of wlan0 |
| 19:32.32 | mcurran | i was just saying, that if i was gonna try this time around, attempt fallback instead of mate-desktop as base |
| 19:32.51 | jelly-home | mcurran: that runs on top of X as well |
| 19:32.58 | centrx | Strange |
| 19:33.02 | jelly-home | THERE IS NO ESCAPE |
| 19:33.06 | mcurran | i know but the compositor is different |
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| 19:33.30 | mcurran | i'm just asking what you have as a base, or did you never upgrade gnome |
| 19:33.46 | jelly-home | well, we're all still using X |
| 19:33.53 | Blakney | jelly-home Indeed, I renamed xorg.conf and it still runs like a charm. Thanks a lot! |
| 19:34.13 | malinus | wols, I thought I had it, but now. I've started amdcccle with x (when root), but whenever I press apply or ok to make the changes X seems to crash (segfoult). |
| 19:34.35 | mcurran | I'm running gnome-shell garbage, that can't even handle a desktop background with directories at the same time, yet gnome-devs say it's better! |
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| 19:35.41 | malinus | wols, I'm so close now |
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| 19:39.10 | esulu | hello how can i install jabber |
| 19:39.13 | esulu | ? |
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| 19:39.42 | malinus | wols, well the changes in amdcccle are not saved for some reason :V |
| 19:39.47 | esulu | can you please give me the how-to for do it, if you have? |
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| 19:39.55 | tomodachi | esulu: do you mena a client , or do you mean a server? |
| 19:40.04 | esulu | client |
| 19:40.07 | esulu | tomodachi: |
| 19:40.24 | tomodachi | esulu: there are many jabber clients for linux i prefer pidgin |
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| 19:40.31 | tomodachi | you can find it in your debian repository |
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| 19:41.03 | esulu | yes good tomodachi thanks |
| 19:41.11 | tomodachi | youre welcome |
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| 19:44.04 | esulu | tomodachi: sorry |
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| 19:44.26 | esulu | can i contact you for one minut in private |
| 19:44.35 | esulu | one thing private i must give you |
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| 19:44.42 | esulu | can i? |
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| 19:46.53 | tempspace | I submitted a bug report about a year ago and no action has been taken on it. I'm very much interested in working with some expert kernel people to try and figure it out. Anybody know the best place to start? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=715269 |
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| 19:48.07 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:48.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.6-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 19:49.23 | esulu | how can i open the account in jabber ? |
| 19:49.40 | esulu | i install pidgin on debian tomodachi |
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| 19:49.46 | esulu | can you help me |
| 19:49.50 | DammitJim | .kernels |
| 19:50.12 | skytrash | register |
| 19:50.14 | DammitJim | ugh, why doesn't it respond to me like it does to jhutchins |
| 19:50.18 | DammitJim | oh |
| 19:50.22 | DammitJim | I need to be registered? |
| 19:50.33 | skytrash | jabber.at |
| 19:50.37 | sysvalve | DammitJim: maybe using !? |
| 19:50.40 | sysvalve | !kernels |
| 19:50.47 | sysvalve | nope. |
| 19:50.47 | centrx | judd is comma |
| 19:50.48 | centrx | ,kernels |
| 19:50.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.6-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 19:50.55 | ctmjr | you trigger it with , not . |
| 19:50.57 | sysvalve | yeah thanks |
| 19:51.01 | DammitJim | oh, I only did "." |
| 19:51.06 | DammitJim | ,kernels |
| 19:51.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.6-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 19:51.09 | DammitJim | woohoo |
| 19:51.10 | DammitJim | love it |
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| 19:55.16 | tempspace | Has anybody else experienced systems with higher load on a 3.2+ kernel than the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 19:55.25 | lokai | my dockerfile freezes during build at different spots every time I run it, what could be going on? |
| 19:55.47 | lokai | the RUN command that is freezes at is always unkillable, too. |
| 19:56.18 | jelly-home | tempspace: higher numbers, yes, but ability to perform and crunch data not diminished |
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| 19:57.48 | tempspace | jelly-home: I have higher numbers and at high loads it is not able to perform as well as 2.6.32, though at our "normal" load, requests on 3.2+ kernels are actually a few ms faster |
| 19:59.39 | jelly-home | and I presume you've also upgraded userspace from debian 6 to 7? |
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| 20:00.15 | tempspace | jelly-home: no, I'm on squeeze, I can reproduce with the 3.2 kernel from backports |
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| 20:01.10 | jelly-home | oh, that's interesting. You could file a bug for the kernel package if you're interested in tracking and figuring out the regression |
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| 20:01.45 | jelly-home | (be prepared to build vanilla kernels and do bisection) |
| 20:02.18 | tempspace | Yeah, I did that last year and got no where. Was hoping a kernel person was lurking here :) |
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| 20:02.32 | tempspace | I'll make a new bug report for backports kernel |
| 20:03.16 | jelly-home | tempspace: yeah, not really.... and even #debian-kernel over of oftc will probably suggest investigating with upstream |
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| 20:37.32 | malinus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.32 | drwahl | malinus: do you have xforwarding enabled? |
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| 20:38.34 | sysvalve | malinus: using the user that owns the display or using the xhost tool |
| 20:38.50 | sysvalve | or that, enable xforwarding |
| 20:39.00 | Quicken2K | I did apt-get install kde-full and it won't install it because of missing deps how do I force it to pull the missing deps? |
| 20:39.15 | sysvalve | Quicken2K: apt-get update |
| 20:39.17 | malinus | sysvalve, I don't want to forward X. I want it to be launched on the local machine |
| 20:39.21 | sysvalve | and apt-get -f install |
| 20:39.36 | sysvalve | malinus: you are saying that you are sshing |
| 20:39.56 | sysvalve | so it implies remote host (even if it's localhost, that's remote) |
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| 20:40.13 | Quicken2K | that's a package refresh isn't it? |
| 20:40.17 | malinus | sysvalve, I am, that's because I don't have a keyboard to the machine. I still want to launch X though, on the machine itself. |
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| 20:40.50 | sysvalve | malinus: do you want to launc the X server on a remote machine? |
| 20:40.54 | sysvalve | *launch |
| 20:40.55 | malinus | yes |
| 20:41.00 | malinus | sysvalve, I should be able to do something like DISPLAY:=0 startx . or something similar? |
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| 20:41.38 | sysvalve | malinus: I don't think so, since you don't have a display yet when starting startx |
| 20:41.41 | sysvalve | but I'm not sure |
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| 20:41.59 | malinus | sysvalve, any ide ahow to do it then? |
| 20:42.23 | sysvalve | maybe it's some env variable that is telling the X server that you are not actually local |
| 20:42.42 | sysvalve | maybe just setting DISPLAY=:0.0 before startx will work |
| 20:43.34 | Gregor2 | can someone tell me how to config vsftpd? |
| 20:43.40 | Gregor2 | i want to make virtual users! |
| 20:44.36 | wols | malinus: remote X is not what you want. have you tried to su to root in your ssh session and then run it? |
| 20:44.43 | wols | run startx that is |
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| 20:46.08 | malinus | wols, I want to run it as the user I'm logged in as. I would rather not start it as root if that is possible. I know that remote X is not what I want, I simply want to start x on the machine. |
| 20:46.44 | wols | run as root for testing purposes |
| 20:47.16 | malinus | wols, that's funky. It starts just fine |
| 20:47.35 | wols | so it's a permissions problem of your user and not some inherent ssh restriction |
| 20:47.37 | sysvalve | Gregor2: you can find a lot of tutorial/guides googling. I promise |
| 20:47.41 | wols | run id as your normal user |
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| 20:48.08 | Gregor2 | but it isnt working for me |
| 20:48.30 | sysvalve | Gregor2: then you are doing it wrong |
| 20:48.42 | malinus | wols, uid=1000(malinus) gid=1000(malinus) groups=1000(malinus),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(netdev),105(scanner),114(bluetooth) |
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| 20:48.53 | sysvalve | maybe it would help if you pasted your configuration and your exact problem, and work from there |
| 20:49.02 | sysvalve | I don't think asking for guides here is the correct place |
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| 20:49.32 | Gregor2 | listen=YES |
| 20:49.33 | Gregor2 | anonymous_enable=NO |
| 20:49.33 | Gregor2 | local_enable=YES |
| 20:49.33 | Gregor2 | guest_enable=YES |
| 20:49.33 | Gregor2 | virtual_use_local_privs=YES |
| 20:49.33 | Gregor2 | local_root=/var/www/files/ftp |
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| 20:49.38 | malinus | sysvalve, I guess you are right, this is a more general ssh/linux administartion problem. Sorry. |
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| 20:49.49 | Gregor2 | this is the config |
| 20:50.23 | mcurran | anybody here know how to enable desktop icons w/ gnome-shell managing the desktop (3.8.4)? |
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| 20:51.14 | sysvalve | malinus: I was talking to Gregor2 :) |
| 20:51.44 | malinus | sysvalve, forget I've said anything ;) |
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| 20:53.02 | Gregor2 | and i make a file with command |
| 20:53.38 | Gregor2 | htpasswd filename username password |
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| 20:54.02 | mcurran | I don't know why I prefer to build all my applications from source, because it really takes up a lot of space installing build-deps |
| 20:54.26 | mcurran | would you save all that space installing the package maintained version? |
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| 20:57.22 | malinus | wols, The only thing that's changed when I connect through SSH is that your terminal permissions are set by sshd instead of logind. why would X ever care about the permissions of the terminal the command originated from? |
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| 21:00.47 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 21:00.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:04.19 | jhutchins | malinus: SO you want to go old school, log in as a user then launch X, rather than use a DM to log you in and launch the session as the current model does. |
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| 21:05.42 | malinus | jhutchins, exactly! I didn't install any DM because I only need X to play videos, so I don't need all the other bloat. And it works just fine with root, no idea why not wuth the user |
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| 21:05.59 | DammitJim | is there wayland client on wheezy? |
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| 21:11.47 | Blakney | Shouldnt't there be an .xsession file in /home/user/? I have only .xsession-errors... |
| 21:13.07 | babilen | Blakney: no, not needed |
| 21:13.39 | malinus | jhutchins, so any ideas? |
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| 21:13.59 | Blakney | babilen Does it make sense to create it for those two lines, in case I have different values? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Configuration |
| 21:14.15 | Blakney | For Iceweasel/Icedove |
| 21:14.54 | Blakney | I do have different values, 0-4 and 1 |
| 21:15.21 | toketin | samba is installed in my Debian system, but smbpasswd doesn't exisist :/ |
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| 21:16.30 | amaldo | toketin, Do you have the package "samba-common-bin" installed? It should be in there. |
| 21:16.33 | babilen | Blakney: ~/.xsession and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf referenced on that wiki are two entirely different things. All you need if you want to use the nvidia driver is https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
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| 21:17.53 | jhutchins | malinus: What happens if you just run X? |
| 21:18.52 | toketin | amaldo: i've fixed with pdbedit -a -u user |
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| 21:19.40 | malinus | jhutchins, if I do sudo -i to become root - it does what I expect. It starts X! If I do it as the user, I get that permissio nerror |
| 21:20.21 | amaldo | toketin, nice, I had not seen that tool before. |
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| 21:20.58 | toketin | amaldo: yes, i've read it under Arch Wiki |
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| 21:21.38 | Blakney | babilen Yes, thank you, those steps were completed. The nvidia driver works as it should. According to the site above those lines would make some improvement but I guess I do not really need that step. |
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| 21:22.17 | babilen | Blakney: You can add them to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf if you want to. (or not if you don't) |
| 21:22.22 | amaldo | toketin, I'm just surprised that you have no /usr/bin/smbpasswd. At least on my machine, it is inside samba-common-bin, which is a dependency of the 'samba' package. |
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| 21:22.37 | DUKENUKEM | hey guys im trying to run a binary that requires libstdc++.so.6 and libgcc_s.so.1. `ldd' says that it cant find those shared objects even though they are in /lib and /usr/lib. I have also checked permissions on the said shared libs and they are good, and these shared libs arent missing any deps either. what gives? anything else I should check to see why it cant load these shared objs? |
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| 21:23.15 | toketin | amaldo: i've installe dnow samba-common-bin |
| 21:23.21 | Blakney | babilen Ok, I see, thanks. As I have Icedove, maybe I will give it a try. |
| 21:23.22 | amaldo | toketin, actually, it is a dependency in sid, not in wheezy. That is probably the reason. |
| 21:23.33 | toketin | ok thanks! |
| 21:23.39 | jhutchins | malinus: Do you get the permission error from X, or from startx? |
| 21:23.42 | m0rd3cai | DUKNUKEM: sounds like symlink issue. |
| 21:23.53 | toketin | with apt-get how can i check the package's version installed? |
| 21:24.07 | toketin | i know less apt-get, i'm an Arch fan :D |
| 21:24.32 | DUKENUKEM | m0rd3cai: i have checked that the symlinks are valid |
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| 21:24.43 | DUKENUKEM | m0rd3cai: they point to actual files |
| 21:24.53 | DUKENUKEM | m0rd3cai: i can run ldd on the shared libs and all of their deps check out |
| 21:24.55 | DUKENUKEM | also |
| 21:25.02 | m0rd3cai | then im not too sure |
| 21:25.20 | amaldo | toketin, dpkg -s samba |grep Version |
| 21:25.26 | m0rd3cai | lol somewhatB of a noob |
| 21:25.35 | m0rd3cai | lol somewhat of a noob * |
| 21:25.55 | malinus | jhutchins, for both |
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| 21:26.15 | toketin | amaldo: with "pacman -Q samba" is more intuitive lol |
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| 21:28.05 | jhutchins | malinus: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/faq/xserver-common.html |
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| 21:28.48 | jhutchins | amaldo: dpkg -l samba? |
| 21:29.45 | amaldo | jhutchins, yep, that's nicer |
| 21:29.46 | malinus | jhutchins, nope. |
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| 21:30.12 | jhutchins | amaldo: That does require root, while -s appears not to. |
| 21:30.25 | malinus | jhutchins, again. this is only trough ssh, so that doesn't have anything to do with that issue |
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| 21:30.49 | jhutchins | malinus: You're starting X through ssh? |
| 21:30.56 | amaldo | toketin, if you are wondering about how stuff works in Debian, I find this book to be a pretty good reference: http://debian-handbook.info/get/#english |
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| 21:32.02 | amaldo | jhutchins, 'dpkg -l' works here without being root. |
| 21:32.22 | malinus | jhutchins, I'm trying. Same issue when I'm in tmux/screen. No idea what is going on lol. |
| 21:32.39 | malinus | gj debian ;P |
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| 21:34.08 | jhutchins | malinus: You're not going to get things to launch with screen or tmux afik. |
| 21:34.45 | jhutchins | malinus: You're kind of implying (but not really saying) "Yes", so I'll proceed with the assumption that you're trying to use X applications remotely. |
| 21:35.15 | jhutchins | malinus: What is the system you are connecting remotely _from_ running? |
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| 21:36.26 | malinus | jhutchins, I'm just saying, it's the same thing trugh screen/tmux as when trying to launch it trough ssh. And I'm not trying to run any X applications remotly, I'm trying to *launch* X locally from a remote machine (trough ssh). |
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| 21:37.37 | kdog | doh! Sorry |
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| 21:37.50 | jhutchins | malinus: What is the system you are connecting remotely _from_ running? |
| 21:38.03 | jhutchins | malinus: If you won't answer my questions it's going to be hard to help you. |
| 21:38.25 | jhutchins | malinus: Presumably, the goal of running X is to run X applications. |
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| 21:39.18 | malinus | jhutchins, sorry. I'm trying stuff. It shouldn't matter what system it is, because I just want to launch X. And no I don't want to launch any applications. I just want to launch X on the local machine :). I'm running trough a other debain box |
| 21:39.22 | malinus | currently |
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| 21:40.26 | malinus | jhutchins, I think the answer to my question was your link actually. but I "dpkg-reconfigure: command not found" |
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| 21:41.02 | malinus | nvm |
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| 21:41.33 | jhutchins | malinus: As root. |
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| 21:41.58 | malinus | jhutchins, yeah exactly. that was the issue. thank you very much for the link |
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| 21:42.24 | jhutchins | malinus: The relevance of the question is that you have to be running a local Xserver in order for this to work. With debian you (presumably) are. |
| 21:42.42 | jhutchins | malinus: If you're running Windows, there are ways... |
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| 21:43.16 | jhutchins | malinus: In any case: You'll find it much more efficient to run individual applications over X forwarding through ssh than to try to run the whole desktop. |
| 21:43.18 | malinus | jhutchins, it kinda irritates me that anyone can run X now though. I wish I could just add a "xserv" group or whatever. |
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| 21:44.54 | kdog | Is there are more current or actively developed intrusion detection system than aide for wheezy? |
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| 21:45.13 | jhutchins | malinus: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 21:45.42 | malinus | jhutchins, that's what I'm trying to avoid. but okay ; |
| 21:45.52 | malinus | jhutchins, thanks again for the previous link though. |
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| 21:46.44 | Blakney | babilen I put those two lines in 20-nvidia.conf but it gave me an error message and did not go to X. Somehow it does not seem to work that way |
| 21:46.47 | jhutchins | malinus: For individual applications, remember to background them with & |
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| 21:47.29 | jhutchins | malinus: You can set up some symlinks and bash aliases to make it easier. |
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| 21:47.41 | jhutchins | malinus: Oh, and you mentioned video: how are you going to get audio? |
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| 21:48.04 | babilen | Blakney: I have no idea which two lines you are referring to |
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| 21:48.21 | malinus | jhutchins, already have pulseaduio running and working |
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| 21:48.34 | Blakney | babilen https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Configuration - in case of different values |
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| 21:49.20 | babilen | Blakney: You probably want to read the nvidia driver manpage. That website is not maintained by anyone I know. |
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| 21:51.18 | DUKENUKEM | m0rd3cai: it was a 32 bit binary and i only had 64 bit libs installed. for future reference if someone else asks :P |
| 21:51.21 | Blakney | babilen I see, I'll try, thx. |
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| 21:51.57 | babilen | Blakney: And it strikes me as highly irregular to add commands like to that ~/.xsession. In particular if you use a display manager ... no idea what that person was thinking, but you should put more thought into it than randomly copying configuration stanzas from the web ;) |
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| 21:52.19 | Denommus | in which package will I find xdg-mime? |
| 21:52.32 | babilen | Blakney: I was, just to state that clearly, referring to adding options to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 21:52.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Denommus -about apt-file |
| 21:52.59 | Denommus | babilen: I'm not in the computer in question, I'm trying to remotely help a friend |
| 21:53.03 | babilen | dpkg: apt-file search -x "bin/xdg-mime$" |
| 21:53.03 | dpkg | babilen: i don't know |
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| 21:53.47 | babilen | Denommus: Use the judd bot then. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for documentation. You can also search on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 21:54.05 | jhutchins | Denommus: xdg-utils |
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| 21:54.13 | jhutchins | It's in /usr/bin/ |
| 21:54.19 | babilen | Denommus: IRC is really not a sensible choice as search engine, even though it seems to possess a certain intelligence |
| 21:54.37 | babilen | ;) |
| 21:55.04 | Denommus | well, that's the problem, xdg-utils is installed, but he can't find xdg-mime. Probably he is doing something wrong |
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| 21:55.16 | babilen | Denommus: So you can use, say, "/msg judd file bin/xdg-mime" to answer that question and others like it yourself next time. |
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| 21:55.27 | babilen | Denommus: Is that person using Debian? |
| 21:55.41 | Denommus | babilen: yes, I installed it to him myself |
| 21:56.08 | babilen | Denommus: Then ask him to come here so we can all help to fix that particular problem rather than acting as second level support :) |
| 21:56.28 | Blakney | babilen I do not have that .xsession file, only .xsession-errors. It works fine atm, so I'll leave as it is after all. |
| 21:56.38 | Denommus | babilen: I'll soon try it, thanks for being so helpful |
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| 22:04.30 | amaldo | damn. |
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| 22:07.10 | piousminion_ | How large is a minimum install of debian these days? |
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| 22:12.04 | centrx | piousminion_, What are you looking for? |
| 22:12.45 | piousminion_ | centrx: nginx, php, and bind on a 1g volume. |
| 22:12.58 | themill | piousminion_: that's not exactly a minimum install. |
| 22:13.27 | piousminion_ | themill: I never claimed it was. What I asked and what was asked of me are two different things. :P |
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| 22:14.27 | themill | except that minimal install is a poorly defined concept |
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| 22:15.17 | piousminion_ | themill: That isn't true. Minimal install is what you get when you select no additional packages in the installer. |
| 22:15.28 | piousminion_ | i.e. The base system. |
| 22:15.33 | centrx | piousminion_, It seems like it would be tight. Is 1GB the space available for everything that would be on the machine, or just /usr/ (installed binaries and libraries) |
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| 22:15.43 | themill | that's not the base system. And you can make the installation smaller than that. |
| 22:16.05 | piousminion_ | centrx: The entire storage is 1g. |
| 22:16.17 | piousminion_ | themill: What "is" the base system if not that? |
| 22:16.28 | themill | piousminion_: many will tell you it includes the standard task. |
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| 22:17.09 | themill | a unix machine without less? inconceivable. |
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| 22:17.27 | themill | !minimal install |
| 22:17.29 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 22:18.33 | themill | isn't sure if he really believes some of those numbers |
| 22:18.39 | centrx | piousminion_, I doubt 1GB is enough for /usr/, /var/, and /lib/ but you can try. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en has 1GB as minimium requirement for a No-Desktop install |
| 22:18.56 | centrx | df |
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| 22:31.39 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm just curious if there is any plan to drop the i386 port of Debian. |
| 22:31.47 | centrx | Nope |
| 22:32.10 | centrx | There are even people trying to revive the m68k port |
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| 22:32.25 | Pegasus_RPG | heh cool |
| 22:32.52 | engla | what kind of computers would use the m68k port |
| 22:32.55 | engla | realistically |
| 22:32.56 | Pegasus_RPG | So it's good to know that the oldest reasonable systems will still be supported by my favorite OS :) |
| 22:32.57 | centrx | Old Macs |
| 22:33.10 | engla | oh neat, nothing newer? |
| 22:33.35 | centrx | "Current releases of the m68k kernel are stable on the Amiga, Atari, many Apple Macintosh models, and several VMEbus single-board computers from BVM, Motorola and Tadpole. In addition, ports are underway (with varying levels of progress) to the HP 9000/300 series, the NeXT workstation (black hardware), the Q40 and Q60, and Sun 3 series workstations." - http://www.linux-m68k.org/ |
| 22:33.35 | Pegasus_RPG | Yes, I imagine since OS X no longer supports PPC, those with such Macs will flock to Linux when they need newer applications |
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| 22:34.59 | centrx | engla, m68k is 1979-1995 |
| 22:35.41 | engla | I learned C on a 68030 mac :(. but I figured there would need to be better 68k machines to support debian |
| 22:35.45 | engla | to be meaningful |
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| 22:37.11 | centrx | engla, It was removed in lenny/5.0/2009, but there are several mentions in various Debian places that "There's now an effort to revive this port." Probably won't be very successful |
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| 22:51.31 | jhutchins | The problem with discontinued hardware is as time passes there's less of it around, and less incentive to port to it, and people just move on. |
| 22:52.14 | jhutchins | The Cassio Casiopea was a great little platform and would have done great with a small linux port, but it faded before the project was finished. |
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| 22:54.25 | centrx | Yeah, even the Alpha port is removed |
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| 22:57.29 | norberhuis | Hey, does iwconfig essid "essid" set my essid for mode Master aswell? |
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| 23:19.36 | viccuad | hi, I don't know what happened but I have a borked python install it seems. If I try "guake", it says "Import error: No module named pygtk", although "whereis pygtk" says /usr/share/pygtk :( . Anybody has any idea of where I should look into? thanks in advance |
| 23:20.13 | dragonfly | viccuad: 'which pygtk' |
| 23:21.13 | viccuad | oh, not found |
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| 23:21.21 | viccuad | so it isnt in the path, then? |
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| 23:23.06 | engla | viccuad: do you see any helpful errors from this command? python -c "import pygtk; pygtk.require('2.0'); import gtk" |
| 23:23.13 | asterismo | hi people |
| 23:23.33 | engla | viccuad: when successful it is silent and exits |
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| 23:23.39 | asterismo | i need help in configuring a dual CRT monitor display with NVidia GeForce 8400 using the VGA and DVI plugs |
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| 23:24.03 | viccuad | engla: it says Import error: No module named pygtk |
| 23:24.12 | viccuad | quite weird that it cannot find it |
| 23:24.42 | engla | well pygtk is not a central piece of python, might be you just have to install the right package |
| 23:25.12 | dragonfly | engla: which package provides it? |
| 23:25.19 | viccuad | the thing is it has been working since ever. and weirdly it has stop working |
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| 23:26.25 | engla | apparently python-gobject-2 on my system (jessie) |
| 23:26.56 | viccuad | does it appear on your computers if you try which pygtk? |
| 23:27.22 | viccuad | I mean, pygtk is a python module, maybe it does not appear normally? |
| 23:27.23 | engla | only /usr/share/pygtk but I don't think which is useful for python modules |
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| 23:27.55 | viccuad | mmmm |
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| 23:28.11 | viccuad | I think it has to be with python2 vs 3, and the paths |
| 23:28.26 | viccuad | or /usr/bin/python and what it is linked to |
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| 23:30.51 | viccuad | could anyone tell me where do their /usr/bin/python links? run: ls -la /usr/bin/python |
| 23:31.00 | viccuad | on a Debian testing |
| 23:33.12 | viccuad | arg, I may have changed the link /usr/bin/python by hand the other day :O |
| 23:33.24 | viccuad | but I don't know how to fix it anyways |
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| 23:34.40 | themill | /usr/bin/python must be a symlink to python2.7 |
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| 23:35.23 | viccuad | themill: thx |
| 23:35.46 | viccuad | I'm ashamed, I have touched the /usr/bin/python by hand, that was all :( |
| 23:35.51 | viccuad | thx guys |
| 23:36.20 | themill | no worries. If you want python3, run "python3" or use '#!/usr/bin/oython3". Debian didn't try to break the world like arch did. |
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