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| 00:07.43 | jhutchins | Or, just, you know, go with jessie. |
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| 00:11.08 | centrx | Or, just, you know, go with experimental |
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| 00:13.14 | Milezteg | Q: Running Deb 7.4 Wheezy. I need to upgrade to Apache 2.2.25 via apt. I'm currently running Apache/2.2.22 as that seems to be the latest version in /stable. Is this the command I should use to upgrade Apache? --> apt-get install apache/unstable |
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| 00:14.28 | centrx | Milezteg, Why do you want to upgrade to 2.2.25 ? |
| 00:14.46 | Milezteg | We need to maintain PCI compliance on this machine |
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| 00:15.06 | Milezteg | right now it is reporting vulnerabilities with 2.2.22 |
| 00:15.52 | shawnbon206 | jhutchins on jessie already |
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| 00:16.10 | centrx | Milezteg, The security vulnerabilities are backported to 2.2.22 in stable. |
| 00:16.35 | centrx | Milezteg, So even if the version number is listed as "vulnerable", the vulnerabilities are fixed in the Debian package. |
| 00:17.07 | cafuego | Milezteg: Check the changelogs in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 00:19.08 | dvs | Milezteg: And make sure you have security.debian.org as part of your repo list. |
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| 00:38.54 | shawnbon206 | what is #debian-mentors ? |
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| 00:39.29 | centrx | shawnbon206, It is a channel mainly for New Maintainers and Sponsored Maintainers |
| 00:39.43 | shawnbon206 | ah. ty |
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| 00:40.04 | centrx | shawnbon206, #debian-devel is for Debian development too, but less friendly to newcomers |
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| 00:48.48 | Yukiteru | hi |
| 00:49.56 | shawnbon206 | nods |
| 00:50.09 | Yukiteru | i'm using debian jessie and now mesa 10 it's in jessie |
| 00:50.55 | Yukiteru | anybody test nouveau + mesa10 in a nvidia 6150 nforce 430 IGP |
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| 00:51.00 | Milezteg | centrx: Sorry got a phone call. Thanks for the response? Also checked and I do have: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main in sources. I checked changelog on the local machine and found all vulns PCI scan reported in there aside from 1. Nice! So I guess I can assume all the other vulns have been patched on my Apache install? |
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| 01:09.20 | centrx | Milezteg, Hi |
| 01:09.46 | Milezteg | hey sorry =) |
| 01:10.07 | Milezteg | so if they're showing in /usr/share/doc/apache2/changelog.Debian they have already been patched? |
| 01:10.24 | centrx | Yes |
| 01:10.58 | Milezteg | well that's a relief?really appreciate your help =) |
| 01:11.09 | centrx | You are welcome |
| 01:11.18 | dvs | !next |
| 01:11.18 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 01:12.13 | mar4 | hi |
| 01:12.33 | mar4 | im trying to do some forwarding but it does not work. |
| 01:13.20 | mar4 | i have two vms. both have an internal nic with a given network to commincate. the second vm has a second nic which uses nat |
| 01:14.17 | mar4 | so i tried to enable forwarding on the second vm "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 01:14.38 | mar4 | but when i try to ping anything from the first vm nothing happens |
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| 01:17.27 | mar4 | any suggestions? :) |
| 01:18.12 | Aeiri | what vm software? what guest OS? what host OS? |
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| 01:18.34 | mar4 | Aeiri: virtualbox, debian 7, debian 7 |
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| 01:19.13 | mar4 | vm-1 has one nic (internal), vm-2 has two nics (one internal one nat to the host) |
| 01:19.43 | mar4 | ping from vm-1 to vm-2 to the internal nic of vm-2 works |
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| 01:24.13 | cafuego | mar4: Did you tell the first VM to route through the second vm? |
| 01:24.55 | mar4 | i gave him vm-2 as gateway(the internal nic of vm-2) |
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| 01:26.35 | mar4 | i have two routing entries on vm-1 |
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| 01:27.07 | mar4 | destination: 0.0.0.0 router: 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:27.12 | mar4 | and |
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| 01:51.15 | dgriffi | I want to have postfix logs to report "<timestamp> sleepy.foo.com ..." instead of "<timestamp> sleepy ...". Should I be monkeying with Postfix or Syslog? |
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| 02:05.58 | vook | What would be a safe and efficient way to perform a diff of sorts between two directories, each with 154GB of data and hundreds of thousands of files? Would 'rsync -nav --delete' be appropriate? |
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| 02:06.30 | VsioZashibis | hi, can someone please help me find a good guide for init scripts for debian 7 ? |
| 02:09.14 | themill | vook: depends on what information you actually want and what level of certainty you want. If you're happy to rely on datestamps, then a find with appropriate printf and sort would be enough. Otherwise, I might be tempted to use either unison or git-annex, particularly if I was going to want to keep them synchronised in the long run |
| 02:09.39 | Aeiri | Aeiri: apt-get install mplayer2 |
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| 03:03.41 | Sidnicious | Hey all. I run Debian 7. I like Upstart and I want to use it for some job management because of its supervision features. Is there a way I can install it alongside sysvinit? |
| 03:03.54 | Sidnicious | i.e. just use it for a couple of my own jobs |
| 03:04.34 | themill | not easily. You can, however, use systemd quite easily in wheezy |
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| 03:07.45 | Sidnicious | themill: Hokay. I’m not as familiar w/ systemd, let me poke around at it. Thanks! |
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| 03:09.14 | Sidnicious | Same question, I guess: can I use it for a couple of jobs without replacing sysvinit? |
| 03:09.15 | themill | Sidnicious: (you probably want the version of systemd that's in wheezy-backports; /msg dpkg wheezy-backports) |
| 03:09.34 | vectory | has sshd any standard safeguards against brood force pw trial and error attempts? |
| 03:09.47 | themill | Sidnicious: you'd just replace sysvinit with systemd -- systemd will run init scripts for you. |
| 03:09.51 | vectory | *i.e. exponentially increasing cool off or such |
| 03:09.54 | Sidnicious | ah. |
| 03:10.08 | themill | vectory: fail2ban or denyhosts or iptables rules are the normal ways of doing that |
| 03:10.38 | vectory | fail2ban was the name i was looking for, thx |
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| 03:11.15 | vectory | but since it was open unknowingly for a few weeks, its not installed by openssh package, i guess |
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| 03:12.16 | themill | not by default, no. If you don't have incredibly weak passwords, none of these brute force approaches are going to get anywhere anyway so things like fail2ban mostly just help reduce the noise in your logs |
| 03:13.31 | vectory | well, it has a one or two second limit at least i hope |
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| 03:19.40 | VsioZashibis | with this method of adding proceses to rin in /etc/init.d do they run as any particular user ? |
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| 03:23.05 | centrx | Aeiri, the whole libav vs ffmpeg is annoying |
| 03:23.29 | jaybe | vectory, an elegant solution is iptables along with ipset, which combines the two. i.e. 10 connections to SSH within 60 seconds gets the IP added to the 'temp ban' ipset list which removes the IP after X hours, etc. |
| 03:23.39 | centrx | VsioZashibis, Which method is that? I think init scripts run as root by default |
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| 03:27.30 | Jagst3r15 | can you preview debian from a live cd? |
| 03:27.47 | Jagst3r15 | sorry i mean from a usb |
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| 03:29.47 | themill | Jagst3r15: sure, live.debian.net has downloads |
| 03:30.57 | Jagst3r15 | themill which one for 64 bit? |
| 03:31.05 | Jagst3r15 | amd64? |
| 03:31.09 | themill | ye |
| 03:31.10 | themill | s |
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| 03:31.35 | Jagst3r15 | themill and in the folder iso-hybrid/ right? |
| 03:32.36 | themill | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 03:34.11 | Jagst3r15 | themill I just download it and put it on the usb and then I can boot to it at startup? I am on a mac |
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| 03:35.11 | themill | you don't just "put it on the usb" you have to overwrite the device |
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| 03:36.37 | jaybe | Jagst3r15, you'll be much better off using virtualization with a mac versus attempting to native boot with the mac EFI |
| 03:36.56 | Jagst3r15 | like a vm? jaybe |
| 03:37.10 | jaybe | Jagst3r15, yes; virtualization/vm |
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| 03:37.17 | Jagst3r15 | o ok |
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| 03:42.40 | Rusty1 | exit |
| 03:42.51 | shawnbon206 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.56 | shawnbon206 | :D |
| 03:43.17 | Rusty1 | wrong window , sry |
| 03:44.03 | shawnbon206 | thats ok this looks like su to me too sometimes |
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| 03:45.29 | locked | I am trying to install MS Office 2010, but wine starts to bug out about 55% of the way in. Here is the output when I run setup.exe with wine: http://pastebin.com/m8bKF81h Could anyone help? Thanks |
| 03:46.31 | centrx | locked, Did you check the compatibility for MS Office 2010 on the WINE website? |
| 03:47.14 | locked | Yes, people have installed it before |
| 03:47.26 | themill | on what version of wine? |
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| 03:48.10 | locked | 1.6 - 1.7.15 |
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| 03:51.24 | locked | Or maybe I should just figure out how to configure libreoffice to match word |
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| 04:05.39 | Mikicacarica | MUST SEE ---> http://interesting-animals.com/kitten-meets-hedgehog-2 |
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| 04:13.57 | kom | I have a fresh debian install. I want to install my custom package that depends on an earlier version of php (not the candidate version). I have the custom package depends (= php-olderversion), but it will not install because the candidate is newer than the version my package specifies. Is there a way to get around this? Pinning seems to have no effect |
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| 04:20.39 | centrx | kom It is really a bad idea to use old versions of PHP... |
| 04:20.42 | centrx | (security) |
| 04:21.23 | Loudergood | I'm not clear if korn is trying to install an older version of php, or trying to ignore the dependency |
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| 04:23.39 | unclezipper | I need to build an internal mail server for a company which only delivers mail locally, will allow users to connect with IMAP, and only allow TLS-secured communication with clients. This could scale to hundreds or even 1,000+ users. I've never had to work with mail software and reading about it all is giving me a headache... What software would the knowledgeable people of #debian recommend? |
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| 04:24.04 | hemimaniac | ignoring my guess,, people get giddy onb a friday night when terminal starts to hurl extra lines back |
| 04:24.10 | kom | centrx: irrelevant |
| 04:25.28 | centrx | kom, Update your package to use a newer version of PHP. |
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| 04:25.57 | cast | unclezipper: this is the little bit i know about mail...1: avoid anything involving sendmail. 2: exim seems to be the standard debian MTA, i notice wiki.debian.org/exim mentions TLS and IMAP |
| 04:29.19 | unclezipper | cast: From the bits I could comprehend, I gathered that sendmail is a bit... dated. I was considering exim, but the software config files are enormous and confusing... I can't seem to find anything about black/whitelisting. Does anyone know anything about this, or virtual users? I fear I may be in over my head |
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| 04:37.02 | melt7777 | postfix |
| 04:37.27 | melt7777 | maybe zimbra? |
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| 05:05.15 | average | hey |
| 05:05.20 | average | is rpcbind something safe to use ? |
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| 05:10.09 | centrx | average, I think it might be notoriously insecure |
| 05:10.42 | vectory | does that matter if it doesn't face the public? depends on the server content |
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| 05:13.40 | average | centrx: what is it used for usually ? |
| 05:13.45 | wols | NFS |
| 05:13.55 | average | ok |
| 05:14.05 | average | should I allow it on -i lo and -o lo ? |
| 05:14.18 | wols | are you using NFS? |
| 05:14.22 | average | I am not, sir |
| 05:14.37 | wols | there is no need to "sir" anyone. we 're not in the army |
| 05:14.51 | average | I did not use it with that intention |
| 05:14.53 | average | I am using Debian jessie on my laptop |
| 05:15.05 | average | I'm just trying to get rid of unuseful things |
| 05:15.05 | wols | then why do you have it installed in the first place? typically rpcbind isn't very useful if it can only acces loopback |
| 05:15.21 | average | I didn't install it |
| 05:15.24 | wols | try to uninstall it and check what it takes with it |
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| 05:15.29 | average | maybe some package brought it ? |
| 05:15.49 | average | I will try to uninstall it |
| 05:16.14 | average | nfs-common brought it |
| 05:16.35 | average | and nfs-common can be removed without problem |
| 05:16.44 | average | I wonder how it got on my system (maybe it was part of my install) |
| 05:17.01 | wols | most probably a recommends. they are crappy this way |
| 05:17.14 | themill | nfs-common is part of the standard install, yes |
| 05:17.27 | average | themill: is that a good idea though ? |
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| 05:19.09 | average | well, anyway, I removed it, and I'm adding notes to my big checklist called "Securing Debian" |
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| 05:19.40 | average | since I always forget things, and I cannot count on myself to remember them |
| 05:19.40 | ghking | hello everyone! |
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| 05:27.08 | average | may I paste just 2 lines ? |
| 05:27.31 | average | I just msg-ed dpkg and it told me I am allowed to paste 2 lines |
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| 05:27.39 | average | so I shall paste exactly 2 lines, if that's ok |
| 05:27.40 | average | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 6973 2729/exim4 |
| 05:27.43 | average | tcp6 0 0 ::1:25 :::* LISTEN 0 6974 2729/exim4 |
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| 05:28.29 | average | so it's listening on loopback on 25, that's cool hmm |
| 05:29.41 | andry | local delivery |
| 05:29.54 | andry | for cron and stuff |
| 05:30.02 | shawnbon206 | omg flooding |
| 05:30.07 | andry | :D |
| 05:30.15 | shawnbon206 | my internet choked for a second |
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| 05:58.52 | andry | stupid groups .. is there no way to reload group memberships while logged in? |
| 05:58.58 | andry | without login out and in again |
| 05:59.05 | andry | (desktop) |
| 05:59.20 | andry | ops, logout and login |
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| 06:14.50 | shawnbon206 | other than your face, dont think so |
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| 06:19.35 | andry | didnt use kvm in a while, it really really improved over the time! :) |
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| 06:32.43 | bullgard4 | 'man ps': "Option '-w': Wide output." What is »wide output«? |
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| 06:34.13 | andry | bullgard4, it adds line breaks in small windows |
| 06:34.30 | andry | try "ps aux" in a small terminal window |
| 06:34.32 | andry | then ps auxw |
| 06:37.15 | bullgard4 | andry: Ah! It adds a word wrap to a long output line instead of cutting at the given breadth end. - Thank you for your help. |
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| 06:46.24 | andry | :) |
| 06:46.27 | andry | ,dpkg -v samba |
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| 06:49.54 | pankgeorg | Good morning everyone! I have a problem with sceen brightness, it changes without my control. Is there a way to force lock it? |
| 06:50.00 | cluelessperson | So I asked her if she would like something, and she said "absolutely yes" |
| 06:50.27 | cluelessperson | she says "wait, how expensive are they?" |
| 06:50.38 | cluelessperson | didn't know, said I didn't mind |
| 06:50.57 | cluelessperson | a few days later, I told her they were $75 and she said don't spend that on her, too expensive. |
| 06:51.19 | cluelessperson | I don't want to shower her with gifts or anything, just do nice things for her. |
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| 06:52.09 | andry | nice to know, cluelessperson |
| 06:52.25 | cluelessperson | loll |
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| 07:13.02 | pankgeorg | Anyone has any idea for a brightness problem? |
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| 07:14.21 | s7pn1 | pankgeorg, I think some debian based distrubutions have problems with brightness after coming back from hibernating |
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| 07:16.19 | ui | when i press sudo nautilus its asking password |
| 07:16.39 | ui | i want to give the password with shell script how to do that |
| 07:16.40 | ui | ? |
| 07:17.11 | ui | so i need not to give the password from the shell always |
| 07:17.21 | ui | how to do that |
| 07:17.50 | andry | you can manage that with sudo, too |
| 07:18.12 | ui | i didnt get u sir |
| 07:18.33 | ui | i want to give the password directly from sh file like this echo "password" | sudo nautilus |
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| 07:19.49 | andry | username ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/nautilus |
| 07:19.52 | andry | in /etc/sudoers |
| 07:20.01 | andry | that never asks for the password for nautilus |
| 07:20.07 | s7pn1 | ui, you can allow this specific command to be run without a password by adjusting the sudoers file. thats what andry tries to explain |
| 07:20.20 | andry | (hope the syntax is corret :P ) |
| 07:20.34 | s7pn1 | yep |
| 07:20.37 | ui | how to do that |
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| 07:20.53 | ui | ok if having password cant we do that |
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| 07:21.06 | andry | you can use expect, too |
| 07:21.14 | andry | ,dpkg expect |
| 07:21.19 | andry | :P |
| 07:21.28 | s7pn1 | hehe |
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| 07:21.55 | andry | but i do not recommend to write your password plain text in a script |
| 07:22.15 | aqib | how to insatll packages from DVD2 i burned DVD2 to pendrive |
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| 07:22.19 | ui | there is no worry about that password |
| 07:22.26 | ui | we all doing this for practice |
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| 07:23.02 | andry | echo password | sudo -S command |
| 07:23.06 | ui | so without expect software cant we do it |
| 07:23.08 | andry | -S for stdin |
| 07:23.13 | andry | works, too |
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| 07:24.28 | ui | give the command please |
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| 07:25.26 | ui | sudo -S "password" nautilus |
| 07:25.26 | ui | is it correct |
| 07:25.27 | andry | echo yourpassword | sudo -S /usr/bin/nautilus |
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| 07:26.05 | andry | but you should use gksudo |
| 07:26.16 | ui | thanku its working |
| 07:26.23 | ui | why gksudo |
| 07:26.32 | andry | meh, gksu does not support stdin |
| 07:26.47 | andry | forget about it. :D |
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| 07:30.42 | aqib | how can i install packages from DVD2 |
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| 07:31.36 | centrx | aqib, Add the DVD to your sources.list according to the example of the first DVD that is already listed there |
| 07:31.37 | andry | aqib, you can add "deb file:/path/to/dvd2 jessie main" to sources.list |
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| 07:32.53 | andry | replace jessie with your branch, sorry |
| 07:32.58 | andry | i am so used to jessie :P |
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| 07:34.39 | aqib | i burned DVD2 to usb how can i add thtat to source list? |
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| 07:35.36 | andry | you need to know its mount point |
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| 07:37.45 | andry | you can see the path of the mount point in thunar or nautilus or whatever file manager you use |
| 07:37.56 | andry | or "cat /etc/mtab" |
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| 07:46.59 | emss | is http://www.debian.org/ down? |
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| 07:47.54 | s7pn1 | just "mount" on the bash displays all mountpoints |
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| 07:48.21 | s7pn1 | emss: no |
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| 07:48.58 | emss | it's not loading here |
| 07:49.11 | Narwhaal | hi, is there any way (with apt-get build-dep) to install 32bit dependencies on a 64bit machine ? |
| 07:49.20 | Blue1 | sure |
| 07:49.29 | Narwhaal | I tried apt -b wine:i386 |
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| 07:49.33 | Blue1 | hang on |
| 07:49.37 | Narwhaal | (apt-get build-dep wine:i386) |
| 07:49.44 | Blue1 | did you add the archetecture |
| 07:49.47 | Narwhaal | yes |
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| 07:50.13 | s7pn1 | emss: traceroute it ;) |
| 07:50.33 | Narwhaal | I can install 32bit deps independent of build-dep (install command) but I don |
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| 07:50.45 | Narwhaal | 't want to re-type all the dependencies |
| 07:51.01 | Blue1 | the directions (albeit for skype) shows how to add the 386 architecture |
| 07:51.03 | Blue1 | http://pkill-9.com/to-install-skype-64-bit-debian-wheezy/ |
| 07:51.24 | Narwhaal | that's not build-dep |
| 07:51.27 | Blue1 | you need the ia32 libs |
| 07:51.43 | Narwhaal | I don't want to run a program, I want to compile |
| 07:51.50 | Narwhaal | and yes, I have that already |
| 07:52.03 | Blue1 | what programme are you trying to compile? |
| 07:52.06 | Narwhaal | wine |
| 07:52.13 | Narwhaal | 1.7.2x |
| 07:52.18 | Blue1 | ahh |
| 07:52.26 | Blue1 | yeah that's the latest and greatest |
| 07:52.32 | s7pn1 | agree |
| 07:52.36 | Narwhaal | lol |
| 07:52.46 | Narwhaal | I have them working on Ubuntu 11.xx - 14.04 |
| 07:52.54 | Blue1 | yup I have 1.4 installed |
| 07:53.02 | Narwhaal | but I'm frustrated with manually typing the deps .. |
| 07:53.23 | s7pn1 | Narwhaal, but I suppose you don't wanna compile all the dependencies? ;) |
| 07:53.31 | Blue1 | I have not tried compiling the latest wine. |
| 07:53.44 | Narwhaal | s7pn1, I want most, at least |
| 07:53.51 | Narwhaal | not SSL and other crap stuff |
| 07:54.24 | Narwhaal | well, other unneeded crap |
| 07:54.26 | z8z | How is raspbian being optimized exactly? |
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| 07:55.22 | Narwhaal | shouldn't you ask in the rasbian channel ? |
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| 07:55.38 | s7pn1 | Narwhaal: so, auto-apt is no option for you, I guess |
| 07:55.50 | Narwhaal | s7pn1, what's auto-apt |
| 07:56.07 | s7pn1 | http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=auto-apt&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+Sid&format=html&locale=en |
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| 07:57.11 | s7pn1 | I thought compiling within an auto-apt environment could be a good idea. never tried it though |
| 07:57.22 | Narwhaal | hm |
| 07:57.32 | Narwhaal | never heard of this auto-apt before |
| 07:57.52 | s7pn1 | I used it, but not for compiling |
| 07:57.54 | z8z | Narwhaal: didn't know it was existing ... thanks for the info then! |
| 07:58.02 | Narwhaal | np z8z |
| 07:58.33 | Narwhaal | s7pn1, doesn't look like auto-apt has build-dep 64->32 on it |
| 07:59.09 | Narwhaal | actually it looks just like it installs for your arch |
| 07:59.15 | Blue1 | yup I didn't know about auto-apt either - nice |
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| 08:00.20 | s7pn1 | oh. well. yes, seems just like that. |
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| 08:00.33 | Narwhaal | I think I'll then just write a script for i |
| 08:00.34 | Narwhaal | it * |
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| 08:04.05 | Blue1 | if you get wine to compile correctly, let us know how you did it please. http://www.pkill-9.com is me. -- rest well. |
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| 08:04.36 | Narwhaal | Blue1, I can do it |
| 08:04.49 | Narwhaal | I just need deps, with gcc4.8 (<3) |
| 08:05.03 | Narwhaal | oh I'm making this crappy script, http://pastebin.com/kEXRJesB |
| 08:05.18 | Narwhaal | feel free to see it lol |
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| 08:23.15 | aqib | can i directly install packages from dvd2.iso ? |
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| 08:30.09 | Narwhaal | Blue1, http://pastebin.com/Lvg7ftYc <= seems to work |
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| 08:31.46 | babilen | bullgard4: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 08:33.30 | babilen | bullgard4: Hmm? |
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| 08:35.41 | Narwhaal | lol why quiet ? |
| 08:35.56 | babilen | Narwhaal: Move on, nothing to see here. |
| 08:36.19 | Narwhaal | okie lol |
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| 08:40.14 | bullgard4 | babilen: I am trying to gain my knowledge about speech-dispatcher to use it more intelligently. |
| 08:40.48 | llutz | bullgard4: 0200 because there is nothing to read https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt |
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| 08:42.30 | babilen | bullgard4: Seriously, read a book on Linux programming if you are interested in this. It has been repeatedly been made clear to you that this is not your personal Linux tutoring group, but a channel focussed on solving specific technical problems pertaining to *Debian*. |
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| 09:33.25 | uy | sir i want to design a binary challenge to my friend |
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| 09:34.02 | uy | i will provide him a system having user1 and user2 |
| 09:34.17 | uy | i created a binary in user1 |
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| 09:34.28 | uy | with chmod u+s linuxbin |
| 09:34.38 | uy | when i moved this file to user2 |
| 09:34.52 | uy | my friend has to change the environment variable |
| 09:35.01 | uy | then he can read a file in user1 |
| 09:35.07 | uy | so how to do that |
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| 09:36.45 | average | uy: who are you addressing with "sir" ? |
| 09:37.02 | uy | iam a student |
| 09:37.06 | average | uy: so ? |
| 09:37.15 | uy | iam more intrested in linux |
| 09:37.21 | uy | security |
| 09:37.23 | average | so what does "sir" have to do with it ? |
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| 09:37.43 | uy | no iam respecting |
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| 09:39.08 | uy | sir please help me |
| 09:39.24 | average | uy: can you post your question in the debian-users mailing list ? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
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| 09:39.45 | uy | ok |
| 09:39.59 | jelly-home | it sounds like homework, really |
| 09:40.08 | average | jelly-home: it is homework |
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| 09:40.17 | average | uy wants us to do his homework because he's busy |
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| 09:41.15 | uy | its not any homework sir |
| 09:41.26 | uy | its just my curiosity |
| 09:41.29 | uy | to learn |
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| 09:41.57 | average | uy: so post it to the debian-users mailing list, and maybe someone will answer there |
| 09:42.19 | average | if it's such a big curiosity, you will have the patience to get it answered |
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| 09:43.00 | s7pn1 | what is that? student-bashing? |
| 09:44.14 | average | but let me get this right |
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| 09:44.28 | average | you want to make a challenge, you know the exact scenario and what needs to happen |
| 09:44.34 | average | but you don't know how to actually make it |
| 09:44.39 | average | how is that a challenge ? |
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| 09:45.01 | average | when you make a challenge, you're the one knowing everything, and you're giving it to someone else so he can figure it out |
| 09:45.10 | average | it seems that roles have been exchanged here |
| 09:45.18 | average | you are the one who doesn't know it and has to figure it out |
| 09:45.24 | average | and there is someone who knows it and gave it to you |
| 09:45.50 | average | so you are the actual friend, this is a challenge for you, posed by someone who knows the answer which is most likely not your friend, but your professor |
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| 09:46.15 | average | uy: ^^ |
| 09:46.25 | bazhang | occam's homework |
| 09:46.42 | uy | sir |
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| 09:48.10 | average | uy: dude just drop it ok? it's obviously homework. Explain what you tried so far, and if someone knows an answer they'll tell you |
| 09:48.27 | uy | i tried this |
| 09:48.40 | uy | that i have a root user and user1 and user2 |
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| 09:48.56 | uy | i created a binary file in user1 with setuid permissions |
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| 09:49.39 | uy | and i login with root and i moved the created bin file to user2 |
| 09:49.46 | uy | but when i login into user2 |
| 09:50.05 | uy | and i changed the environment varible to /user2/file1 |
| 09:50.10 | uy | with export command |
| 09:50.15 | uy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.19 | uy | but its not working |
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| 09:50.56 | uy | sorry not /user2/file1 its /user1/file1 |
| 09:51.17 | average | uy: man whoami |
| 09:51.36 | uy | ok user1=team user2=RGUKT |
| 09:51.49 | average | uy: if[[$HARDCODED_VALUE -eq `whoami`]]; echo "pass"; else fail fi; |
| 09:51.51 | average | something like that |
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| 09:52.11 | average | Rajiv Gandhi University of Knowledge Technologies |
| 09:52.19 | average | uy: is that your college ? |
| 09:52.22 | average | or university |
| 09:52.26 | uy | no sir |
| 09:52.36 | uy | just a name |
| 09:52.42 | average | uy: :)) |
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| 09:53.00 | average | uy: did you read what I wrote above, about `whoami` and the other stuff ? |
| 09:53.11 | uy | ya |
| 09:53.18 | uy | it tells which user iam |
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| 09:56.11 | uy | for this i got -rwsrwxr-x 1 team team 4662 a.out |
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| 09:56.23 | ffog | when you run lsof, isn't it supposed to stay open and continue showing you open files? |
| 09:56.26 | zx522 | does debian have hibernation? |
| 09:56.34 | uy | the above output came in team user |
| 09:56.52 | uy | but when i moved this file to RGUKT user |
| 09:56.57 | uy | i got this permission |
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| 09:58.28 | average | uy: can you post all of this to the debian-user mailing list ? |
| 09:58.44 | uy | ok sir |
| 09:58.48 | zx522 | does debian have HIBERNATION? |
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| 10:00.50 | average | zx522: only in winter. maybe suspend ? /etc/acpi/sleep_suspend.sh |
| 10:01.05 | zx522 | winter? |
| 10:01.12 | average | it was a joke |
| 10:01.22 | average | s/in/during/ |
| 10:01.23 | average | meh |
| 10:01.31 | cybrNaut | why does aptitude give this? => "W: Did not understand pin type 0.9.0~pre1-1" |
| 10:01.44 | cybrNaut | what's wrong with pinning to version 0.9.0~pre1-1? |
| 10:02.16 | zx522 | windows can be hibernate out-of-the-box easily |
| 10:02.34 | average | zx522: so ? |
| 10:02.40 | zx522 | can linux too? |
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| 10:03.16 | average | zx522: man pm-hibernate |
| 10:03.36 | lord4163 | zx522: yes, on some computers it refuses |
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| 10:04.36 | average | zx522: lord4163 is right. to find out if your hardware is supported on your version of debian for hiberante/suspent, man pm-is-supported |
| 10:05.05 | zx522 | nah, ill just use windows |
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| 10:06.00 | average | zx522: ok :) |
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| 10:07.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning great guys :) ! |
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| 10:10.27 | uy | i have given my email in mailing list |
| 10:10.34 | uy | but after procedure is gibberish |
| 10:10.44 | uy | i cant understood |
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| 10:12.35 | average | uy: learn how to use a mailing list |
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| 10:14.43 | uy | i will explain here only my problem please listen |
| 10:15.09 | uy | rgukt and team are the userlist |
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| 10:15.16 | uy | rgukt cannot read team files |
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| 10:15.21 | uy | so what i do is |
| 10:15.32 | uy | i created a bin file in team |
| 10:15.40 | uy | with the permissions |
| 10:16.14 | uy | -rwsrwxr-x 1 team team 4662 binfile |
| 10:16.32 | uy | i moved this file to rgukt with root permission |
| 10:16.44 | uy | so now when i login to rgukt |
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| 10:17.03 | uy | and when i exported the environment variable as /home/team/ |
| 10:17.12 | uy | and when i run the bin file |
| 10:17.15 | andry | hm. mozilla made a huge step forward with v29 |
| 10:17.27 | uy | it is saying that permission deniend |
| 10:18.14 | uy | rgukt user :uid=500(rgukt) gid=500 group=rgukt |
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| 10:18.44 | uy | team uid=501(team) gid=501 groups=501 |
| 10:19.06 | uy | <average> |
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| 10:20.25 | uy | sir> |
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| 10:21.39 | andry | :| uid 500 + 501? |
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| 10:22.01 | uy | 1001 |
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| 10:22.54 | uy | is that correct |
| 10:23.38 | uy | sir |
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| 10:25.12 | uy | sir tell me after what i have to do |
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| 10:26.53 | uy | i hope u understand the problem |
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| 10:27.20 | andry | sorry, im a bit busy throwing birds at pigs at the moment |
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| 10:45.32 | Re[m] | Hi. Do you know guys if i can install debian on a SSD M.2 U110 16Go ? I got some problems with it, the main is "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sdb' failed. This is a fatal error.", and i don't know how to fix this, and don't find anything on google |
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| 10:45.53 | Re[m] | sda* sorry |
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| 10:46.59 | aqib | i added DVD2 with apt-cdrom add now what ? |
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| 10:58.14 | andry | Re[m], did you boot via efi? |
| 10:58.39 | andry | you can disable secure boot in your bios, maybe thats why it refuses to install grub |
| 10:58.45 | Re[m] | andry No via Legacy, efi boot on the sda disk which as w8 installed on |
| 10:59.39 | Re[m] | You mean efi or uefi ? |
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| 11:07.22 | sysvalve | hi |
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| 11:11.32 | andry | sorry im not good at this uefi stuff, need more time to get into it .. but are you sure you bootet the installer as legacy? |
| 11:11.35 | andry | ed |
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| 11:12.22 | Re[m] | Yes i'm sure, to boot on the live cd is turn from uefi to legacy, if not it doesn't detect my live cd and directly boot to w8 |
| 11:12.30 | Re[m] | i turn* |
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| 11:13.48 | jiku | hi guys.. |
| 11:14.00 | jiku | out of the topic of discussion, but badly need a suggestion.. |
| 11:14.04 | andry | hm :/ sorry, no idea then .. you didnt switch tty to see the full error? |
| 11:14.16 | jiku | my /boot is messed up and gone practically.. |
| 11:14.29 | jiku | now my UEFI is not enabling to log into the bios setup screen |
| 11:14.40 | jiku | i need to change to legacy. any idea how to acheive this.. |
| 11:14.45 | jiku | im using fujitsu lifebook laptop. |
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| 11:16.47 | Re[m] | andry: No i didn't, what is tty ? In fact it looks like grub fails to install itself on sda, and i install debian on sdb, it's probably normal if it tries to install on sda but i really don't know, and don't understand the topics talking about this |
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| 11:18.57 | Re[m] | jiku: In the bios there is an option to change it, in boot options, for me it's right under the menu which allow to set boot order |
| 11:20.55 | jiku | worst thing is, i can't even log into the bios.. so i can't change it to legacy from BIOS.. |
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| 11:21.52 | bytefire | how do you set up DHCP server on debian? |
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| 11:23.55 | Norbertos | Hi there ! |
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| 11:26.42 | Norbertos | If I delete an existing LVM+dm-crypt,LUKS partition and I create another one with another passphrase, is it safe ? The file's traces will be random data because of the previous encryption, aren't they ? |
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| 11:48.08 | markus_ | I need to unpack a zip file in my debian package after install |
| 11:48.30 | markus_ | Can somebody give me a hint how to achieve this |
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| 11:48.33 | markus_ | ? |
| 11:48.51 | markus_ | My rules file is really simple. just copied binary files around |
| 11:50.49 | abrotman | why not have the contents of the zip file be part of the actual package? |
| 11:54.01 | markus_ | abrotman: right. trying that |
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| 11:57.43 | doebi | shockwave keeps on crashing in my chromium when wathcing yt vids as soon as it gets to display the ad.. any ideas why? |
| 11:58.04 | SynrG | uh, shockwave? |
| 11:58.28 | SynrG | *confused* |
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| 11:59.11 | Guest77325 | http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/galahad1st for all you online gamers out there, if you didn't already, use this link to register on MerkatGlory a free2play financial strategy game where virtual currency can be converted into real money. It starts out slow but in time you can turn a good profit |
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| 12:00.07 | SynrG | doebi: flashplugin-nonfree maybe? (Adobe Flash Player)? |
| 12:00.19 | SynrG | otherwise, i have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 12:01.23 | doebi | SynrG: well course its flash, but chromium keeps pointing out 'shockwave flash has crashed' |
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| 12:02.24 | abrotman | doebi: how did you install flash? |
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| 12:03.45 | SynrG | hmmm |
| 12:03.46 | SynrG | http://www.howtogeek.com/103292/how-to-fix-shockwave-flash-crashes-in-google-chrome/ |
| 12:03.56 | doebi | abrotman: honestly, cant remember |
| 12:04.27 | SynrG | i'm not endorsing any solutions on this page ... |
| 12:04.33 | SynrG | but does that fit your problem? |
| 12:05.41 | ShapeShifter499 | is there anyone here that can help out with "lil debi" on android? when I ssh into my chroot debian install from a different machine anything I want to install via apt-get does fine but when I try to apt-get on the tablet itself dpkg complains it can't find ldconfig |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | doebi: have you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" lately? |
| 12:05.56 | ShapeShifter499 | apt-get does fine but when I try to apt-get on the tablet itself dpkg complains it can't find ldconfig |
| 12:05.57 | ShapeShifter499 | [04:43] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know why this is happening? |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: This channel is for Debian support. |
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| 12:06.12 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: I'm trying to get a debian chroot |
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| 12:07.37 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: seems like there is #guardianproject |
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| 12:08.11 | SynrG | ShapeShifter499: need a factoid for this? |
| 12:08.14 | SynrG | argh |
| 12:08.20 | SynrG | abrotman: need a factoid for this? |
| 12:08.26 | SynrG | ShapeShifter499: sorry, not intended for you :) |
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| 12:09.02 | abrotman | SynrG: First time I've heard of this project/Android app |
| 12:09.34 | ShapeShifter499 | no one wants to answer me in #guardianproject |
| 12:09.37 | themill | it comes up ever few days |
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| 12:09.52 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: Okay, that's still the channel for support |
| 12:10.24 | doebi | SynrG: disabling chromes internal flash, fixes yt but all other video players using flash dont work anymore |
| 12:10.30 | doebi | abrotman: no, should i? |
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| 12:11.56 | SynrG | doebi: you could install the adobe flash plugin from debian non-free repo |
| 12:12.04 | SynrG | or is that no longer supported in chromium? |
| 12:12.30 | SynrG | doebi: abrotman's advice would be *if* you run the adobe plugin |
| 12:12.35 | SynrG | which apparently you don't |
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| 12:13.11 | abrotman | doebi: see if it's installed, try to run that command |
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| 12:22.48 | congzhang | hi anyone use uim-fep? |
| 12:23.12 | congzhang | especial who use cjk language. |
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| 12:45.07 | aphorise | I have a > net_command in rc.local thats suppose to fire up - but I think its getting some sort of momentory dhs issue? |
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| 12:45.30 | aphorise | When I run it a 2nd time its ok but immediately it unable to resolve url |
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| 12:46.18 | aphorise | Can any1 help? - I have resolv.conf set & generally network works fine - just rc.local issue |
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| 13:05.51 | AndreeeCZ | hello peeps! |
| 13:06.51 | AndreeeCZ | why does iceweasel peak to 80% cpu when idling on facebook? |
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| 13:08.33 | AndreeeCZ | wheezy |
| 13:08.35 | cek | hey guys, how do you tell telnet not to send on enter but wait till I fill everything and only then send all that in 1 packet? |
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| 13:10.52 | musca | cek: it doesn't send on enter, it sends every single keystroke. |
| 13:11.17 | cek | it depends on mode, but how do I switch it to mode where *I* define the "send" key? |
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| 13:14.28 | xunil | Is it possible - without sudo - to allow a non-root user reloading/restating a service (e.g. apache2)? |
| 13:15.22 | themill | you could make an suid wrapper, I guess... but using the exact tool that was designed for the job sounds more sensible |
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| 13:18.56 | nkuttler | xunil: if you haven't read it yet, see man 5 sudoers. sudo can be configured to allow only specific commands |
| 13:20.29 | xunil | themill / nkuttler: Due to technical reasons (lxc container) sudo can't be used. |
| 13:21.12 | musca | cek: i see charactermode and linemode listed in the man page. And linemode has options. |
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| 13:21.50 | cek | you are not helping |
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| 13:23.06 | shawnbon206 | ShapeShifter499 are you on kitkat? |
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| 13:23.45 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: no |
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| 13:24.20 | shawnbon206 | tried "linux deploy" from the android store? |
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| 13:26.55 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: no |
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| 13:27.05 | shawnbon206 | guess you dont want help, nevermind |
| 13:27.13 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: huh? |
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| 13:27.39 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: what is the difference over lil debi? |
| 13:28.16 | doublehp | how do i set up my box (resolv.conf or nsswitch) to specify a given DNS-IP for a specific domain, without installing bind on my desktop ? use case: I am at home, I have 3 VPN, each network has it's own local domain, it's possible to define route to networks, and I want the equivalent for domains. /etc/hosts out of order. |
| 13:28.48 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: I just don't want to go through everything again only to get the same results |
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| 13:29.24 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: this is not topical for #debian, please go to the appropriate channel |
| 13:29.50 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: is there a debian chroot channel? |
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| 13:30.19 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: use the channel for the app you use, this isn't it |
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| 13:30.35 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: you're not having a problem with Debian per se .. you're using a broken android app |
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| 13:33.49 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: ok but I've tried a couple and haven't been able to run much without errors. I haven't tried "Linux deploy" yet as shawnbon206 suggested. I'll see how that goes |
| 13:34.03 | shawnbon206 | shhh |
| 13:34.11 | aphorise | My command on rc.local fires up but its not able to resolve DNS - if I run it a 2nd time it works |
| 13:34.15 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: what? |
| 13:34.15 | aphorise | What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: That does not make this the appropriate place to ask |
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| 13:37.06 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman: alright |
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| 13:37.20 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ShapeShifter499 about they don't know |
| 13:37.50 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: I understand you're trying to get a Debian chroot, but it seems like it's the app that's broken, not a Debian problem that I can tell ? |
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| 13:57.23 | shawnbon206 | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'they dont know'. |
| 13:57.26 | shawnbon206 | ??? |
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| 13:58.53 | cybrNaut | aptitude gives => "W: Did not understand pin type 0.9.0~pre1-1" what's wrong with pinning version 0.9.0~pre1-1? |
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| 14:00.21 | Omar___ | MARK WEISBROT IS A DIRTY JEWISH RAT !!!! DEATH TO JEWS !!! |
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| 14:03.13 | SynrG | shawnbon206: because you didn't type the factoid name properly? punctuation |
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| 14:23.18 | n-st | is there a way to execute a command when the standby state of a hard-disk changes (i.e. it spins up or powers down)? |
| 14:23.47 | mcurran | I just got a bunch of 3.12 sections of gnome-shell 3.12, using debian sid. Ya think if I pull from the experimental it would be a maybe to get a full 3.10 working desktop env.? |
| 14:24.38 | jhutchins | mcurran: So by replacing "broken" with "even more broken", you're hoping to get stable? |
| 14:25.00 | mcurran | no, everything is fine |
| 14:25.07 | mcurran | not broken |
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| 14:26.11 | mcurran | Is it possible to make a snaphot of my system now, and then upgrade, but if it breaks revert? |
| 14:27.59 | wols | mcurran: your debian is totally broken. just cause you haven't seen the breaks yet, doesn't mean they are not there |
| 14:28.05 | jaybe | of course it's possible. it's called a backup. :) |
| 14:28.31 | wols | but the time to make a backup is long gone in the past. right now the only thing you can do is reinstall |
| 14:28.49 | mcurran | yeah, but anything more simple like write down the upgrdaing packages, then if I cannot boot into desktop, remove them from recovery shell and ... |
| 14:29.14 | jaybe | mcurran, sure; write them down |
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| 14:29.55 | wols | there is no need to write the down: debian logs this automatically. but it doesn't help: you cannot downgrade |
| 14:29.59 | wols | !downgrade |
| 14:29.59 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:30.19 | mcurran | I want real answers jaybe, u sure? |
| 14:30.48 | mcurran | otherwise I get disable nicks' machines who say rm -r * n' shit |
| 14:31.03 | jaybe | mcurran, am i sure about what? i am sure you can write down package names that have been upgraded, to educate yourself and make notes/logs. that doesn't mean you can roll back or fix the choice to break your system. |
| 14:31.26 | jaybe | i am not sure, at all, what you just attempted to say |
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| 14:31.57 | mcurran | no I was just trying to see if you were being sarcastic, i agree that's how I would like to do it. but sometimes apt acts up and will not let you just remove said packages and restore |
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| 14:32.49 | jaybe | mcurran, ideally, one would take a snapshot/image/backup of a system in fine/reasonable/expected condition. then, perform some odd tasks/upgrades to test/experiment. if it failed, then you'd be in a position to roll back if needed. |
| 14:33.25 | mcurran | yeah, okay, like a snapshot, not a full systemc clone/backup. What's a good snapshot tool? |
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| 14:33.33 | wols | LVM |
| 14:33.45 | dstolfa | hey guys has anyone managed to put enlightenment, any version on wheezy 7.4? |
| 14:33.54 | dstolfa | testing is offering some wild solutions where it wants to remove 700+ packages |
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| 14:34.00 | mcurran | My best scenario right now would be to build a new custom kernel and revert to it if I kill my current |
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| 14:34.18 | jaybe | another approach is to use isolations such as jails/chroot, etc. to experiment with changes outside of the main system. and or virtualization, etc. |
| 14:34.50 | mcurran | nah |
| 14:35.04 | jaybe | building and trying a custom kernel is not really the same scenario as using apt to upgrade to unstable and experimental packages and state. a kernel can simply be disabled and reverted to an old, working version. different scenario. |
| 14:35.05 | wols | ,v e17 |
| 14:35.06 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.17.3-3; sid: 0.17.3-3 |
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| 14:35.28 | mcurran | plus they have no access to hardware, which I need because I'll be working with gnome-shell which uses nvidia proprietary driver. |
| 14:35.37 | mcurran | 3d acceleration n' what not |
| 14:35.43 | dstolfa | wols: how'd you put it up? |
| 14:35.57 | wols | mcurran: nvidia drivers are not needed |
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| 14:36.26 | dstolfa | wols: i've tried through testing with aptitude, it just offered pretty much complete removal, on the other hand, trying to compile it told me it was missing dependencies, but i wasn't told which |
| 14:36.31 | mcurran | jaybe: no i am using a custom kernel, i can pull todays branch build it and then upgrade on the standing branch and if it breaks, boot into the new |
| 14:36.56 | wols | dstolfa: you actually installed e17 from testing? |
| 14:37.05 | shawnbon206 | mcurran you want to use 3.10,or 3.12? i used 3.12 on a live cd, it crashed within minutes. had to hard reboot the computer |
| 14:37.14 | mcurran | nvidia drivers are needed for gnome-shell to function properly with a gtx660. or vesa. nouveau has a massive runnaway process |
| 14:37.15 | dstolfa | wols: nope, i tried to, but i wasn't going to apply the solution with 732 removals |
| 14:37.25 | mcurran | i want 3.10. |
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| 14:37.45 | mcurran | half the deps for gnome-shell 3.12 just pulled in, but I'm on 3.8.4 |
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| 14:38.52 | mcurran | like libmutter and a lot of other required stuff, just not sure if they're backwards compatible with some being 3.8.4, and they're usually not. but since I pulled in a few 3.12's, then I'm thinking righ tnow might be a good time to try |
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| 14:40.40 | mcurran | anyways, i'll be back. I wanna check out the new gnome tweak tool i just pulled in and see if it lets me have icons on the desktop w/ a background. |
| 14:41.12 | mcurran | right now if i want folders/icons on the desktop it switches to nautilus to handle desktop, but for some reason nautilus cannot have a background |
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| 14:45.06 | linuxthefish | why does iptables always clear banned ip? :S |
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| 14:46.26 | Marqin | is it normal that with 236 days uptime and swapinnes 60 72% of swap(5gb) is used? |
| 14:47.07 | wols | linuxthefish: are you using fail2ban? |
| 14:47.16 | linuxthefish | no |
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| 14:48.24 | jaybe | linuxthefish, using ipset along with it? |
| 14:48.44 | linuxthefish | no :( |
| 14:48.46 | linuxthefish | blank debian |
| 14:49.13 | jaybe | linuxthefish, does this happen upon reboot? or just randomonly? |
| 14:49.24 | linuxthefish | randomly every few mins |
| 14:49.49 | linuxthefish | unless there is some hacker |
| 14:49.54 | jaybe | linuxthefish, that's extremely odd and would concern me |
| 14:51.25 | shingouz | linuxthefish: care to give a bit more information on what you are actually running? otherwise we will just conclude that the behavior is normal and let it be |
| 14:51.50 | linuxthefish | it's a blank debian install on VPS with gameserver and nginx running as non root |
| 14:52.10 | linuxthefish | and i do iptables -A INPUT -s 149.200.0.0/16 -j DROP |
| 14:52.29 | linuxthefish | and check it's there with iptables --list, and when i check again in a few mins it's gone and the connection is back |
| 14:52.37 | jaybe | linuxthefish, that is not normal behavior, so something is amuck |
| 14:53.23 | linuxthefish | i reboot server and see, thanks :( |
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| 14:55.32 | linuxthefish | network-manager causes this? |
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| 15:05.23 | e-anima | hmm anyone using wheezy with phpmyadmin. i am confused because i have icons+text inside the tables (meaning edit, delete etc). in squeeze there was only icons (making the table smaller) |
| 15:08.36 | e-anima | got it. the ui has settings |
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| 15:17.09 | mimoo | hey guys, I can't run any aptitude commands |
| 15:17.15 | mimoo | I get an error with aptlistchanges |
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| 15:17.24 | mimoo | anyone knows what I could do? |
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| 15:17.38 | mimoo | note: i can't use ssh anymore |
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| 15:19.02 | abrotman | which problem should we fix first? |
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| 15:19.38 | tux_ | hi guys, i am trying to install a tp-link tl821nv3, should ar9170, but I cant get it loaded via modprobe and ifconfig isnt showing wlan0 |
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| 15:26.06 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm tryna use subversion and I'm on gnome |
| 15:26.25 | bl4ckdu5t | when I did 'apt-cache search svn' I found just kde-svn |
| 15:26.53 | bl4ckdu5t | what package contains the gnome svn |
| 15:28.13 | shingouz | bl4ckdu5t: search for subversion instead, you will see a lot of stuff being spit out |
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| 15:29.11 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks shingouz |
| 15:29.30 | bl4ckdu5t | I've been trying to remember the name of this popular package manager |
| 15:29.34 | bl4ckdu5t | I can't remember it |
| 15:29.44 | bl4ckdu5t | I have it installed though |
| 15:29.54 | bl4ckdu5t | Not aptitude, not apt |
| 15:30.10 | bl4ckdu5t | I just can't get to it b'cos I can't remember its name |
| 15:30.26 | bl4ckdu5t | do you have an idea of what I'm tallking about |
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| 15:30.43 | bl4ckdu5t | oh synaptic |
| 15:31.24 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm forgetting things a lot these days |
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| 15:32.21 | wols | tux_: what is the USB or PCI ID? |
| 15:32.36 | wols | tux_: and have you installed the non-free firmware for the AR9170? |
| 15:33.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell tux_ -about ar9170 |
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| 15:41.21 | bl4ckdu5t | when I run a program installed but available to root only, how can I make it return a message that I don't have permission to use the program rather than unrecognized program which makes me feel it's not installed |
| 15:42.04 | cybrNaut | the debian installer apparently puts this line in /etc/hosts => "::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback" |
| 15:42.16 | cybrNaut | is that important? seems to cause problems and i'm tempted to remove it |
| 15:42.27 | Nik05 | bl4ckdu5t put /sbin in your path? |
| 15:42.49 | shingouz | bl4ckdu5t: if you refer to something like ifconfig, you can run it without root privileges, you just need to use the full path. if the program requires the root permissions, it will barf |
| 15:42.50 | Nik05 | and /usr/sbin. THen you probably get some error |
| 15:43.32 | bl4ckdu5t | shingouz: ifconfig also says command not found |
| 15:43.41 | Nik05 | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:43.43 | bl4ckdu5t | -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 15:43.50 | bl4ckdu5t | oh ok |
| 15:43.52 | Nik05 | yes we know bl4ckdu5t |
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| 15:44.05 | bl4ckdu5t | ok better |
| 15:44.09 | Nik05 | if you dont want to type the full path you can add /sbin and /usr/sbin to your PATH |
| 15:44.11 | abrotman | cybrNaut: what sort of problems? |
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| 15:44.37 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks Nik05 |
| 15:44.56 | bl4ckdu5t | Another problem I have is the 'delete' button that never works |
| 15:45.17 | Nik05 | bl4ckdu5t you can probably put PATH="/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH" in .profile or something |
| 15:45.17 | cybrNaut | abrotman: tclcurl gives "Trying ::1...connection refused" then "Trying 127.0.0.1... connected" |
| 15:45.22 | bl4ckdu5t | why do I have to drag stuff into my trash to have them deleted when I can just hit a delete button |
| 15:45.28 | Nik05 | bl4ckdu5t which delete button? |
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| 15:45.43 | cybrNaut | abrotman: i also get a warning from a security tool |
| 15:45.46 | bl4ckdu5t | The delete button on my keyboard |
| 15:45.54 | Nik05 | oh you mean in a file manager? |
| 15:45.58 | bl4ckdu5t | shift+delete works fine to delete permanently |
| 15:45.59 | bl4ckdu5t | yea |
| 15:46.03 | bl4ckdu5t | on nautilus |
| 15:46.11 | Nik05 | then i have no idea |
| 15:46.39 | bl4ckdu5t | you don't use GUI much |
| 15:46.41 | bl4ckdu5t | cool |
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| 15:47.05 | abrotman | cybrNaut: pastebin the complete contents of your /etc/hosts |
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| 15:49.31 | bl4ckdu5t | Nik05: here's what my .profile looks like http://paste.debian.net/90373/ . I don't want to mess things up |
| 15:49.44 | bl4ckdu5t | where exactly should it be |
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| 15:50.08 | bl4ckdu5t | can I put it in the conditional block where $PATH is or outside the block |
| 15:50.29 | wubic | my screen is dimming back and forth, what part of the system is controlling it ? |
| 15:50.34 | bl4ckdu5t | or before every other statement |
| 15:50.44 | Nik05 | bl4ckdu5t just put PATH="/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH" at the end. you can always remove it if you fuck something up :) |
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| 15:52.15 | bl4ckdu5t | Nik05: I just did that and I still get the 'not found' |
| 15:52.33 | Nik05 | you probably need to relogin |
| 15:52.44 | Nik05 | or maybe first try to open a new termina |
| 15:53.24 | Nik05 | or type export PATH="/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH" in your terminal |
| 15:53.49 | cybrNaut | abrotman: http://slexy.org/view/s2lHem0lfC |
| 15:54.05 | bl4ckdu5t | ok it's all fine now Nik05 |
| 15:54.07 | bl4ckdu5t | thanks |
| 15:54.42 | bl4ckdu5t | there are still some programs I may not want regular users to use besides root |
| 15:54.57 | bl4ckdu5t | I hope this doesn't give all users access to all commands? |
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| 15:55.31 | Nik05 | no this will not give extra access, just a shortcut |
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| 15:56.20 | bl4ckdu5t | I can undo it just by commenting out the line on the .profile I guess |
| 15:56.47 | bl4ckdu5t | with the export, I fear it may require more to undo |
| 15:57.03 | Nik05 | no that will go away after a relogin |
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| 15:57.25 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks a lot Nik05 |
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| 15:59.34 | cybrNaut | abrotman: this warning also appears in the event logs => "postfix/smtpd[2538]: warning: hostname localhost does not resolve to address ::1: No address associated with hostname" |
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| 16:04.48 | abrotman | cybrNaut: huh? if you 'host ::1' does it say anything ? or the inverse? |
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| 16:05.51 | cybrNaut | abrotman: that comes back as => "1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa domain name pointer localhost." |
| 16:06.24 | abrotman | and 'host localhost' ? |
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| 16:06.45 | sandman13 | i have downloaded the iso for netinstall, does mounting it on the usb stick using unetbootin makes it usable? |
| 16:06.49 | cybrNaut | that comes back as "localhost has address 127.0.0.1" |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | sandman13: do not use unetbootin |
| 16:07.08 | abrotman | it's a broken pile of crap |
| 16:07.26 | abrotman | cybrNaut: hrm, mine gives both addresses |
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| 16:07.51 | sandman13 | LiLi Linux Live USB creator? abrotman |
| 16:08.04 | abrotman | sandman13: win32diskwriter |
| 16:08.11 | abrotman | erm .. win32diskimager |
| 16:08.14 | abrotman | whatever it's called |
| 16:08.49 | cybrNaut | sandman13: you can simply dd the iso image to the USB drive.. it's a hybrid ISO |
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| 16:09.55 | sandman13 | that's not the problem, i will make one but will it work? will i be able to install debian using USB? |
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| 16:11.21 | cybrNaut | sandman13: yes, you can boot a netinst usb drive and use it to install debian.. that's the whole point. |
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| 16:11.43 | sandman13 | cybrNaut: thanks |
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| 16:11.58 | sandman13 | and abrotman too |
| 16:12.30 | cybrNaut | sandman13: preparing the usb drive is a matter of running: dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
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| 16:12.46 | cybrNaut | (assuming /dev/sdb is where your usb drive is mounted) |
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| 16:12.59 | sandman13 | hmm |
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| 16:25.54 | wonderworld | do i have to reload spamassassin after changes in user_prefs ? |
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| 16:30.29 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 16:30.29 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 16:32.26 | Sara | you guys need to smile more! http://adf.ly/hy2dF |
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| 16:33.20 | ttyS1 | I'm trying to add another search engine to chromium on wheezy, why does it restrict me from removing Google and adding the new search engine ? |
| 16:33.58 | ttyS1 | ok never mind I got it. |
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| 16:38.12 | permalac | excuse me but I think I have a silly question. Is there any way to know if I need an update or not? I'm on 6.0.5 and have ISPconfig installed 3.0.4.6 , and I don't know if I should update debian or isp first . |
| 16:38.33 | permalac | I know that I have one month more to move to 7 , so I would like to be updated on everything before doing so. |
| 16:38.39 | permalac | any advice ? |
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| 16:39.31 | wols | update for what? |
| 16:39.37 | socomm | permalac: 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 16:39.54 | permalac | directly to 7 ? |
| 16:40.05 | socomm | hold on maybe I misread that |
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| 16:40.18 | wols | !tell permalac about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:42.05 | permalac | wols, I'm completely amazed. :O |
| 16:42.07 | permalac | :D |
| 16:42.09 | permalac | thanks |
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| 16:42.53 | wols | read the release notes for wheezy! |
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| 16:46.52 | dstolfa | has anyone managed to get e17/e18 on debian? |
| 16:47.00 | dstolfa | i'm on wheezy 7.4 |
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| 16:47.08 | wols | yes, it's on jessie |
| 16:47.19 | dstolfa | wols: it freezes my X from time to time, doesn't work properly |
| 16:47.34 | wols | maybe that's why it's in jessie... |
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| 16:48.15 | dstolfa | wols: perhaps, but i honestly doubt that there's no solution |
| 16:48.38 | ompaul | dstolfa: and perhaps, but I honestly don't have faith that it will run on wheezy. |
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| 16:49.56 | ompaul | ,v e17 |
| 16:49.57 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.17.3-3; sid: 0.17.3-3 |
| 16:50.03 | ompaul | ,v e16 |
| 16:50.04 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
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| 16:50.20 | ompaul | so there you go - something about wheezy it doesn't like |
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| 16:53.41 | JaneSmith | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 17:00.13 | mcurran | is there a permissions/security reason why bash sets /usr/local/bin to take preference over /usr/bin as root, and the other way around for regular user? |
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| 17:01.07 | mcurran | like for instance if I compile from source but want firefox's plugin to use and encoder located in /usr/local/bin, then I should have to either put a symlink to /usr/bin, or run firefox as root, or change the bash rules |
| 17:02.10 | mcurran | typically if you compile your own programs, you put the executables in /usr/local/bin, but if you have a package maintained version of the same package, in /usr/bin, then the plugin running as normal user will use package maintainer's |
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| 17:03.08 | mcurran | I guess what I'm asking, is there a security risk to allow the normal user to have /usr/local/bin take precedence over /usr/bin. |
| 17:03.15 | petn-randall | mcurran: Your PATH is probably set differently in ~/.bashrc. It /usr/local/* usually always has precedence over the others. |
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| 17:04.22 | mcurran | only for root |
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| 17:04.32 | mcurran | or I could be wrong |
| 17:04.56 | mcurran | maybe globally, but the user's .bashrc |
| 17:05.39 | mcurran | Is there a way to get more colors in bash, other than yellow, white, blue, gray |
| 17:05.43 | mcurran | purple |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:05.58 | mcurran | is it a third-party app? |
| 17:06.05 | abrotman | did you read the bash docs? |
| 17:06.05 | mcurran | package |
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| 17:06.11 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 17:06.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:06.23 | mcurran | not entirely i don't understand it all, so it's like reading but not |
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| 17:06.46 | mcurran | i thought of those after |
| 17:07.17 | alami | hello, if i install a package from source with ./configure && make && make install |
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| 17:07.27 | alami | how can i reinstall it |
| 17:07.30 | abrotman | same way |
| 17:07.49 | alami | i don't need to remove or desinstall anything? |
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| 17:08.04 | alami | i mean unistall |
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| 17:09.52 | abrotman | alami: look at the make file, it may have that ability. Otherwise, look to see where it installs files |
| 17:10.17 | alami | abrotman: and then? |
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| 17:11.06 | alami | abrotman: if i run only at the source file the same thing ./configure && make && make install |
| 17:11.09 | alami | what will happend? |
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| 17:13.32 | __alex | i want to add certain parameters to ./configure during packaging, how to? somewhere in debian/rules? |
| 17:13.54 | shibboleth | __alex, run ./configure --help |
| 17:14.02 | shibboleth | ah, my bad |
| 17:14.11 | shibboleth | source packages, right? |
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| 17:14.40 | __alex | shibboleth: yup |
| 17:15.01 | __alex | erm |
| 17:15.07 | shibboleth | __alex, linuxinnovations.blogspot.com/.../recompile-debian-packages-with.html |
| 17:15.30 | shibboleth | __alex, ask.debian.net/.../how-do-i-rebuild-a-debian-package-with-custom- configuration-options |
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| 17:16.00 | shibboleth | http://ask.debian.net/questions/how-do-i-rebuild-a-debian-package-with-custom-configuration-options |
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| 17:19.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell __alex -about package recompile |
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| 17:21.05 | petn-randall | alami: It's up to the author of that software. "make" just runs the Makefile that the author provides, which can do anything. |
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| 17:25.57 | __alex | shibboleth: thx |
| 17:26.01 | __alex | babilen: thx |
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| 17:32.01 | JaneSmith | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 17:32.03 | xreal | apt-get wants to remove option/not needed packages, but I want to keep them. Can I do this with apt or only with dpkg ? |
| 17:32.13 | JaneSmith | i think this is broken |
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| 17:32.58 | wols | xreal: you can |
| 17:33.11 | xreal | wols: --nodeps ? |
| 17:33.25 | wols | no |
| 17:33.40 | wols | just dpkg -r or purge the packages you don't want |
| 17:33.52 | xreal | wols: does dpkg work with pipe ? |
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| 17:34.08 | xreal | dpkg --list | grep -i 3.13 | awk '{print $2}' | dpkg --purge |
| 17:34.08 | dpkg | xreal: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 17:36.02 | xreal | ./dpkg --list | grep -i 3.13 | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
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| 17:58.35 | elichai2 | there is any light video player? |
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| 18:02.33 | Guest47094 | hello all - how i can install tor browser , am on wheezy |
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| 18:03.30 | s7pn1 | use proxychains & start it with "proxychains yourbrowser" |
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| 18:04.00 | zykotick9 | Guest47094: TBO, tor-browser is the only out-of-debian-repo program i use... i just drop it into /opt (then delete the sub-folder when updates appear) |
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| 18:05.32 | zykotick9 | Guest47094: sorry just to be clear, i create a /opt/tor directory, and extract the i686 or amd64 into that tor directory |
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| 18:06.12 | Guest47094 | zykotick9, then |
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| 18:07.47 | zykotick9 | Guest47094: "then" what? i have a script in my ~/bin directory called, tor-browser.sh that points to the executable in /opt/tor/start-tor-browser <- or whatever it's really called. |
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| 18:08.40 | Guest47094 | zykotick9, tks , done- cya |
| 18:08.58 | elichai2 | hi |
| 18:09.00 | elichai2 | ntpdate: command not found |
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| 18:09.07 | elichai2 | why i get this error? |
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| 18:10.38 | trampel | elichai2: i presume because that package is not installed. perhaps: sudo apt-get install ntpdate ? |
| 18:12.01 | Guest47094 | trampel, yr assumbance is right |
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| 18:16.14 | elichai2 | yeah lol i thought installing ntp will install this too |
| 18:16.18 | elichai2 | i guess i was wrong |
| 18:16.28 | elichai2 | now i have another error "NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
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| 18:18.14 | zykotick9 | elichai2: probably because you have the ntp service running... you're not suppose to use ntpdate at the same time as ntp |
| 18:19.24 | trampel | elichai2: sudo service ntp stop ...then you may run ntpdate (maybe) |
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| 18:20.22 | elichai2 | zykotick9: thanks |
| 18:20.26 | elichai2 | last thing :) |
| 18:20.28 | elichai2 | no servers can be used, exiting |
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| 18:21.01 | trampel | elichai2: however "service" maybe debian dist specific. stopping the ntp daemon was what i should've typed |
| 18:21.18 | elichai2 | trampel: no... stop ntp did it |
| 18:21.25 | elichai2 | but now i get "no servers can be used, exiting" |
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| 18:21.47 | basiclaser | hey guys, i want to make an 'app' patch that i can share amongst linux/debian/ubuntu users which will perform mathematical operations on the displayed system time, without effecting the underlying system clocks dependencies. Just augmenting the visual widget |
| 18:22.32 | trampel | elichai2: if you give it a specific service, like: ntpdate 0.us.pool.ntp.org does that seem to work? |
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| 18:23.16 | elichai2 | trampel: it does but i can't update it without an server adress? |
| 18:23.20 | elichai2 | *address |
| 18:23.47 | elichai2 | i added servers into /etc/ntp.conf and |
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| 18:24.05 | elichai2 | /etc/default/ntpdate |
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| 18:24.59 | trampel | elichai2: i don't believe ntpdate uses any configure files in general (and not ntp.conf in specific) |
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| 18:26.03 | elichai2 | trampel: https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime |
| 18:26.05 | trampel | elichai2: it might be worthy reading ntpdate's man page, or failing that: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/ntpdate.html |
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| 18:26.52 | elichai2 | read the link i posted please :) |
| 18:27.13 | trampel | elichai2: i'm not the questioner. i'm the fecklessly hint provider |
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| 18:27.39 | trampel | (and i'm not even that) |
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| 18:30.07 | elichai2 | trampel: lol but that what they saying to do :( |
| 18:30.11 | elichai2 | so i'm a bit confused |
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| 18:32.20 | trampel | elichai2: i'm sure i don't know that "they" are any more accurate that ntpdate's own man page, which lists only /etc/inet/ntp.keys as a configuration file. man pages are your best friends. |
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| 18:41.46 | ctmjr | how far off is your date/time you should be able to change the servers in /etc/ntp.conf ntp normaly does not require user interactions it just does it's thing |
| 18:44.05 | elichai2 | ctmjr: it was a hour back because of the time change |
| 18:44.13 | elichai2 | (we changed to summber time) |
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| 18:45.15 | no_gravity | whats the best way to run a certain task once a minute? |
| 18:45.21 | jhutchins | elichai2: The ntp client has the same capabilities as ntpdate now, and ntpdate is essentially deprecated. |
| 18:46.25 | jhutchins | elichai2: I've always specified a server for ntpdate, I didn't know about the defaults configuration. |
| 18:47.03 | jhutchins | elichai2: By default, ntpd as configured by Debian will do a forced update when it is started, and I believe the default servers are the ntp pool. |
| 18:47.18 | trampel | i suppose i'd feel differently if i were running a critical server, but honestly an occasional 'rdate ...' is sufficent for such as me |
| 18:48.45 | jhutchins | trampel: ntpd is nice because it's set-and-forget. |
| 18:49.20 | jhutchins | elichai2: Your clock shouldn't need to change for DST, that should be handled by your localle, and the clock should be UCT. |
| 18:49.24 | trampel | absolutely. but i think i "set and forgot" a cron job to run rdate about five years ago |
| 18:50.19 | trampel | and currently ... [checking] ... i'm about two seconds from a tier one time server [shrug] |
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| 18:53.02 | trampel | (and gawd knows how much delay there is in a comcrapstic TCP packet in my location) |
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| 18:53.57 | jhutchins | Interesting. My ntp servers seem to have been set by dhcpcd. |
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| 18:54.36 | __infinity | hello |
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| 18:55.49 | __infinity | dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:55.51 | dpkg | __infinity: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:55.51 | no_gravity | reading up on cron... do i really have to use crontab -e or can i simply edit some file with vim? |
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| 18:56.17 | jhutchins | trampel: ntpdate-debian uses the config in /etc/default/ntpdate - regular ntpdate does not. |
| 18:56.45 | __infinity | ^ what should i do? google is not helping |
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| 18:56.58 | trampel | no_gravity: doesn't "crontab -e" pick whatever editor you choose when you submit "crontab -e"? |
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| 18:57.40 | ctmjr | __infinity: what are you trying to do |
| 18:58.00 | elichai2 | what this means: "Too many levels of symbolic links" |
| 18:58.04 | no_gravity | trampel: i dont understand that question. it started nano and opened some file in /tmp/ |
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| 18:58.10 | elichai2 | i get it when i run ln |
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| 18:58.24 | Quantum` | I'm trying to adapt Fedora's mariadb.service to Debian. |
| 18:58.24 | Quantum` | Starts the database server just fine, but it can't stop it. |
| 18:58.24 | Quantum` | Something must be wrong with my rinky-dink script. https://pastee.org/nsms8 |
| 18:58.41 | __infinity | ctmjr: can use apt-get install, tzdata giving error everytime |
| 18:58.49 | trampel | no_gravity: quoting the man page (i'm on a real man page gospel here today): "The -e option is used to edit the current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variables." |
| 18:58.59 | __infinity | *cant |
| 18:59.48 | no_gravity | trampel: so how do i set those variables? |
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| 19:00.33 | jhutchins | __infinity: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 19:00.46 | ctmjr | __infinity: paste the errors you get when trying to install it |
| 19:01.08 | trampel | no_gravity: in your .bashrc for example but you could just try it out as a one shot with something like: VISUAL=vim crontab -e |
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| 19:01.34 | ctmjr | jhutchins: he already said |
| 19:01.42 | no_gravity | why cant i just vim /some/where/cron.conf - wouldnt that be the easiest thing? |
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| 19:02.49 | jhutchins | no_gravity: crontab -e does sanity checking so you don't b0rk the system. |
| 19:02.50 | __infinity | apt-get install swig |
| 19:02.53 | trampel | no_gravity: what's your cron daemon doing while you edit that file? (for example) will the cron daemon reread your updated efforts? what if someone else on your system is doing the same thing? |
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| 19:03.08 | jhutchins | !timezone |
| 19:03.08 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 19:03.54 | no_gravity | trampel: while im editing the file the deamo wont see the changes |
| 19:04.16 | trampel | no_gravity: i admire your certainty about that. |
| 19:04.19 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Yes, there is a file you can edit, if you've already created it with crontab -e. |
| 19:04.29 | is3nov | Any reason why my laptop screen will just go off for some reason, and moving the mouse re awakens it. I do not have any energy saving options on, no screen saver, and I have xset -dpms. A reboot usually fixes it and it won't do it again for a while..? Sometimes it doesn't happen at all. Very strange. |
| 19:04.38 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Otherwise, you have to create it with correct ownership and permissions. |
| 19:04.45 | jhutchins | no_gravity: What is it you're trying to do? |
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| 19:05.13 | no_gravity | jhutchins: run a command every minute |
| 19:05.17 | Quantum` | No one runs mysql with systemd. |
| 19:05.38 | shawnbon206 | nobody? |
| 19:05.47 | jhutchins | no_gravity: A scheduled command is pretty much a given if you're asking about cron. What kind of a command? As a user or as the system? |
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| 19:06.41 | jhutchins | shawnbon206: I would think nobody. The start-stop overhead is too much. |
| 19:06.47 | no_gravity | jhutchins: wget http://myhost/maintenance.php |
| 19:06.58 | no_gravity | jhutchins: doesnt matter who fires it |
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| 19:07.34 | jhutchins | no_gravity: You're sure you want a one-minute interval? |
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| 19:07.40 | __infinity2 | back |
| 19:07.44 | VoidWhisperer | Is there any easy way to automatically get GNU screen to log to a file? |
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| 19:07.50 | VoidWhisperer | at a specific flush interval |
| 19:07.52 | no_gravity | jhutchins: yes |
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| 19:08.04 | jhutchins | VoidWhisperer: Several. To the manpage, Batman! |
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| 19:08.46 | jhutchins | no_gravity: It would not be inappropriate to put it in /etc/crontab then. Make sure you undestand the different syntax from a user crontab. |
| 19:08.48 | no_gravity | jhutchins: guess this will be the command: wget -qO- http://myhost/maintenance.php &> /dev/null |
| 19:08.52 | __infinity2 | jhutchins: i lost connection after paste |
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| 19:09.10 | xuigenerix | One question: anyone around here has installed TISEAN? |
| 19:09.24 | jhutchins | !tell no_gravity about timezone |
| 19:09.50 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Whoops, nevermind that message from dpkg. |
| 19:09.58 | no_gravity | jhutchins: hmmm... so should i edit /etc/crontab or use crontab -e? |
| 19:10.03 | jhutchins | !tell __infinity2 about timezone |
| 19:10.49 | jhutchins | no_gravity: You should probably scan the manpages - they're good ones - but crontab -e edits the current user's crontab, /etc/crontab is the system crontab. |
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| 19:11.25 | no_gravity | jhutchins: guess i will edit /etc/crontab sounds the easiest |
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| 19:12.01 | __infinity2 | jhutchins: thanks, because yesterday i set in .bashrc this: TZ="/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Prague" |
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| 19:12.39 | jhutchins | __infinity2: Not a recommended method. |
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| 19:13.25 | VoidWhisperer | jhutchins: Nothing in there that can do it automatically unless I'm blind. |
| 19:13.36 | VoidWhisperer | Most of it requires manual user input |
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| 19:15.43 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: read about what -L does |
| 19:16.07 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home that allows me to turn log on. Not set the flush time, nor the filename |
| 19:16.08 | __infinity2 | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:16.39 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: I don't think the output's buffered at all, is it? |
| 19:16.53 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home it is |
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| 19:17.17 | VoidWhisperer | that, and I still need to make sure it logs to something other than screenlog.xyz |
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| 19:17.59 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: which debian release and screen version are you using? |
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| 19:19.49 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: ... because the one in wheezy has screenrc commands for exactly the flush interval and the log file template format. |
| 19:20.10 | VoidWhisperer | Debian 7 and whatever the most recent version of screen. |
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| 19:20.41 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: and you haven't found "logfile" in the manual to be sufficient? |
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| 19:20.56 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home: I was assuming it had to be put in by hand |
| 19:21.16 | VoidWhisperer | screenrc doesn't work very well as it's a very variable logfile name.. |
| 19:21.19 | jelly-home | into your screenrc, once, yes. |
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| 19:22.49 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home: again, screenrc. won't. work. I'm working on something where I'm not sure what the log file name will have to be before hand. |
| 19:24.43 | VoidWhisperer | hence why I need to be able to set it on the fly. |
| 19:24.48 | jelly-home | ah, sorry, I didn't see that requirement before |
| 19:25.22 | VoidWhisperer | :/ |
| 19:25.30 | jelly-home | was commenting on <VoidWhisperer> Is there any easy way to automatically get GNU screen to log to a file? <VoidWhisperer> at a specific flush interval |
| 19:25.44 | VoidWhisperer | Yes, I missed out the fact that i don't know the log file name before hand |
| 19:25.45 | VoidWhisperer | lol |
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| 19:26.41 | Quantum` | I'm trying to adapt Fedora's mariadb.service to Debian. |
| 19:26.41 | Quantum` | Starts the database server just fine, but it can't stop it. |
| 19:26.41 | Quantum` | Something must be wrong with my rinky-dink script. https://pastee.org/nsms8 |
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| 19:27.15 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: you're probably left to abusing screen -X feature, then |
| 19:27.45 | centrx | Quantum`, What is "mariadb.service"? |
| 19:27.53 | jelly-home | Quantum`: this on wheezy? |
| 19:28.18 | Quantum` | Jessie. Maria is taking the place of mysql. |
| 19:28.35 | jelly-home | Quantum`: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask, then |
| 19:28.42 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 19:28.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 19:28.55 | Quantum` | O |
| 19:29.22 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home: What would I have to send to the screen to do that though.. |
| 19:29.38 | Quantum` | OFTC is much better anyway. There's a Tor hidden service. Thanks. |
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| 19:29.56 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: probably the commands to set logfile and other relevant tunables |
| 19:30.15 | Reelax | SynrG - Debian : you dont web/network programming with c++/Qt ? |
| 19:30.15 | shawnbon206 | Quantum` can you explain the start/stop overhead you were referring to? i couldnt find anything online |
| 19:30.16 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home: Yes, but using -X by default sends it to whatever the screen is runing |
| 19:30.28 | VoidWhisperer | running* Not the screen itself |
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| 19:30.35 | shawnbon206 | just a little bit more descript |
| 19:30.38 | shawnbon206 | :D |
| 19:30.59 | iLogic | hey guys, i'm getting frequent crash alerts as an orange icon with a "!" showing up on the bottom of screen that simply disappears when I click it, it's pratically a fresh install (7.4) do you have any clues? |
| 19:31.04 | SynrG | Reelax: with Qt, not at all. with c++? a bit at work, but not very much of that. |
| 19:31.42 | SynrG | Reelax: i can't claim to have much of a working knowledge there. just enough to patch other people's code, but almost no knowledge of idioms and the expansive libraries |
| 19:32.03 | shawnbon206 | ilogic thats the crash reporter if it isn't affecting your desktop in any other way then just ignore it |
| 19:32.09 | Quantum` | shawnbon206: What stop/start overhead? |
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| 19:32.25 | SynrG | mostly i try to avoid it :P |
| 19:32.42 | iLogic | shawnbon206: it isn't.. can I disable it instead? |
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| 19:33.07 | Reelax | i.c |
| 19:33.09 | Quantum` | jelly-home: I seem to be pre-banned from #debian-next... |
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| 19:33.32 | iLogic | is it that Apport thing? |
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| 19:34.08 | jelly-home | Quantum`: on OFTC, not here |
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| 19:34.24 | Quantum` | Ik. |
| 19:34.48 | Quantum` | #debian-next: Cannot join channel (+b) |
| 19:35.08 | jelly-home | Quantum`: are you registered and identified? |
| 19:35.30 | __infinity | so i uninstalled tzdata and everything is working fine, only my timezone is wrong |
| 19:35.38 | Quantum` | N, but I can get in #debian-systemd there just fine. |
| 19:35.50 | jelly-home | Quantum`: there's a ban on *!*@*.tor-irc.oftc.net |
| 19:36.02 | Quantum` | And not being registered is different than +b. |
| 19:36.15 | Quantum` | O, that could be it. |
| 19:36.35 | Quantum` | Why only on -next tho? |
| 19:36.53 | jelly-home | no fucking clue |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | Quantum`: too many spammers. |
| 19:37.25 | centrx | Quantum`, Anyway, the usual answer is: Backport it from testing/unstable. MariaDB is already in Debian - in the development distributions |
| 19:37.28 | Quantum` | Well, -systemd is more appropriate for me anyway, although nobody's home. |
| 19:37.29 | centrx | dpkg: tell Quantum` about ssb |
| 19:37.48 | abrotman | you waited five minutes ... |
| 19:37.51 | Quantum` | centre there is no .service file there. |
| 19:38.08 | centrx | I thought he was leaving to go to #debian-next |
| 19:38.42 | Quantum` | Yea, I can't go to next because Tor is pre-banned. |
| 19:38.51 | jelly-home | Quantum`: did you register and identify? |
| 19:38.53 | abrotman | centrx: he's refusing to register with nickserv apparently |
| 19:39.02 | Quantum` | jelly-home: N. |
| 19:39.19 | jelly-home | why not? |
| 19:39.24 | centrx | With a name like Quantum... |
| 19:39.32 | Quantum` | I could register but I'm not going to. Not worth it. |
| 19:39.44 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 19:39.49 | jelly-home | !next |
| 19:39.49 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have them stuffed! |
| 19:40.02 | Quantum` | Yeah, I've been Quantum for >10 years, long before the En Ess Aye program. |
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| 19:40.16 | abrotman | could help, but not going to. not worth it. |
| 19:40.27 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 19:42.11 | Quantum` | won't share my New Science with abrotman then... |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | Don't care |
| 19:42.45 | Quantum` | Well, you got me there. |
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| 19:44.34 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: -X doesn't send to whatever screen's running. That'd be -X stuff ... |
| 19:44.54 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: and that "stuff" is actually a command for screen itself. |
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| 19:45.15 | Quantum` | Hm, there're no backports for Jessie. |
| 19:45.21 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home: I just tried screen -r [screename] -X colon "logfile filename testname^M" |
| 19:45.24 | VoidWhisperer | it didn't do anything |
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| 19:45.53 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: I think you want screen ... -X logfile 'testname' |
| 19:46.18 | VoidWhisperer | still no new log file appearing :/ |
| 19:46.46 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: of course, that only sets the log file. It doesn't start logging. |
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| 19:47.01 | VoidWhisperer | jelly-home The screen is already set with logging on. |
| 19:47.17 | jelly-home | VoidWhisperer: then you have to stop and start it anew, I guess |
| 19:48.09 | Ty_LL | Looks like I'm experencing a DOS attack. syslog is full of TCP: drop open request from u.x.y.z/vvvv Anyone fimiliar with the type of attack? |
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| 19:49.04 | abrotman | Ty_LL: talk to your hosting provider |
| 19:49.19 | shawnbon206 | Quantum` you can easily back port from sid with a fee commands |
| 19:49.27 | shawnbon206 | s/fee/few |
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| 19:49.55 | shawnbon206 | you just have to add deb-src for sid to your sources.list |
| 19:50.52 | Quantum` | shawnbon206: Got it now. Just some string-mangling. |
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| 19:51.38 | jelly-home | Quantum`: why do people use mariadb instead of percona? |
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| 19:52.09 | Quantum` | Idk percona. Maybe not drop-in compatible. |
| 19:52.10 | jelly-home | (ignoring the more obvious question of why any kind of mysql at all) |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's the better question |
| 19:52.35 | jelly-home | it's not just drop in, they also make their own, quite decent, .debs |
| 19:52.53 | Quantum` | I'm a fan of nosql myself... but that's way too an advanced concept for most. |
| 19:53.05 | jelly-home | key:value is advanced? :-) |
| 19:53.16 | Quantum` | OO is advanced. |
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| 19:56.14 | centrx | I always assumed Percona had non-free components |
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| 19:57.44 | jelly-home | the worst thing about them is their product is called "percona server", so you have percona-server-server packages, percona-server-client, libperconaserverclient18, etc |
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| 19:59.16 | Quantum` | Nosql supports not only key-value stores, but document store, BigTable, and graph databases. Fully SQL-compatible. |
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| 20:01.58 | mcurran | If you pull a package from the experimental repo, will it also install all it's deps from experimental repo? |
| 20:02.18 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 20:02.24 | jetscreamer | if you have to ask... |
| 20:02.57 | xreal | Debian Linux Kernel Handbook is confusing me. I've downloaded linux_3.13.5 source from Wheezy Backports and unpacked it using dpkg-source -x. Which step is correct now? 4.2.3 to apply patches or 4.5? There's no correct definition of the term 'Debian kernel source'. |
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| 20:03.44 | andry | hi folks |
| 20:04.11 | Quantum` | xreal: There's a readme. Always best to use the "Debian Way". |
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| 20:04.30 | andry | i wonder why often the logout in xfce does not work ... i have to click logout twice, anyone else experienced that? |
| 20:04.47 | jelly-home | except with them kernel building there's 2-3 "debian ways" by now |
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| 20:05.06 | xreal | Quantum`: So the 'Debian Linux Kernel Handbook' should be ignored? |
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| 20:06.03 | jelly-home | xreal: what did the beautiful people in #debian-kernel (oftc) say? |
| 20:06.24 | xreal | jelly-home: ah, good idea to ask in there. |
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| 20:06.49 | xreal | jelly-home: but for real... all the docs are confusing. Ubuntu docs are even worser :) |
| 20:06.59 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 20:07.03 | basiclaser | chaps if i wanted to go about modifying/replacing the time element in my menubar, how would i do that? is that controlled by the windows manager, menubar manager, OS or what? :) |
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| 20:07.18 | xreal | jelly-home: nod like ing nodding? |
| 20:07.44 | jelly-home | xreal: whatever I choose to do, I'm never sure whether I end up with a correct and complete copy of headers in .debs |
| 20:08.48 | xreal | jelly-home: at the end, for dsc-based sources, dpkg-buildpackage is the best solution, but it takes ages... |
| 20:09.26 | jelly-home | yeah... I usually don't want to build two dozen flavors :-) |
| 20:10.03 | xreal | jelly-home: you know what? I'll do a series with all possible combinations, measure times and post it anywhere. |
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| 20:10.17 | xreal | somewhere* |
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| 20:11.03 | repxl | can anyone help me setup a mail server so i can use it with php's mail function ? i have never do this on debian |
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| 20:11.31 | centrx | repxl, If it's something simple, you probably want to use exim |
| 20:11.41 | jelly-home | s/want/don't want/ |
| 20:11.41 | centrx | repxl, exim (exim4) is the default mail server on Debian |
| 20:11.55 | centrx | repxl, For further information, talk to jelly-home |
| 20:12.03 | abrotman | files a bug with ctte to have them change that :) |
| 20:12.05 | repxl | centrx default that means its allready installed ? |
| 20:12.11 | jelly-home | repxl: does the machine only have to send mail outside, and no local delivery? |
| 20:12.28 | repxl | jelly-home only outside no local delivery yes |
| 20:12.32 | abrotman | Shuld it go through a smarthost perhaps? |
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| 20:13.16 | repxl | jelly-home i need to send verifications emails to my users thats all ;) |
| 20:13.19 | jelly-home | repxl: install a small mta like msmtp-mta, or nullmailer, or ssmtp, that only knows how to forward all mail to your ISP's mail server (a "smarthost" in Sendmail-speak) |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | (or your own real Mail server) |
| 20:14.01 | repxl | jelly-home huh hosting ? :P |
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| 20:14.37 | jelly-home | repxl: does your service provider provide a mail server? |
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| 20:15.05 | repxl | jelly-home i don't know im at digital ocean |
| 20:15.11 | jelly-home | repxl: ask them. |
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| 20:15.52 | repxl | jelly-home i tought i just add the sendmail path to php.ini and BOOM i can send emails to users but this mail seems to be more complicated as i tought |
| 20:16.16 | jelly-home | indeed. |
| 20:16.31 | jetscreamer | you have to tell it your mail server's name and stuff dude |
| 20:16.43 | jelly-home | you don't want to manage a mail server if you don't absolutely have to |
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| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | repxl: if you have an eg. gmail account, you can configure msmtp-mta to use that |
| 20:19.42 | repxl | jelly-home ye i have |
| 20:20.10 | mcurran | anybody here know how to use grep to filter by multiple units instead of any? like with aptitude search, you could do: sudo aptitude search gtk | grep '(3|dev)' but that shows everything with 3 and dev for gtk, i want it to be only gtk packages with both 3 and dev |
| 20:20.48 | SynrG | mcurran: i pipe it through grep twice |
| 20:22.08 | mcurran | i know haha |
| 20:22.23 | mcurran | I know it's possible, but I think egrep can help instead |
| 20:22.59 | mcurran | maybe i should ask in #bash? probably quicker to read egrep --help/man |
| 20:23.30 | jelly-home | probably quicker not to bother at all |
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| 20:23.42 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.02 | jelly-home | since the first grep already reads all the files and returns a limited (likely much smaller) set of matching lines, the overhead of using a second pipe and grep process is probably negligible |
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| 20:27.17 | mcurran | SynrG I already knew the solution you provided before I asked, so obviously it's not a solution |
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| 20:27.59 | SynrG | mcurran: it's a solution to all but an *intellectual* challenge |
| 20:27.59 | mcurran | that's like saying there's a free taxi for the ten mile walk, but hey I'd rather walk then walk to the taxi |
| 20:28.07 | SynrG | so i think yes, it is a solution |
| 20:28.17 | mcurran | okay |
| 20:28.18 | SynrG | there's no practical reason you can't use it |
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| 20:28.26 | mcurran | knowledge kid |
| 20:28.29 | jelly-home | mcurran: the argument here is we don't think it's ten miles. |
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| 20:29.19 | mcurran | it's convenient for when you have several like 10 or things, instead of piping grep ten times. it was important enough for devs to create egrep |
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| 20:29.23 | jelly-home | thus it's not worth to pursue this particular exercise in this particular case |
| 20:29.49 | mcurran | I'll google, thanks for your opinions... ... |
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| 20:30.16 | mcurran | love it when people answer a question with a question totally irrelevant |
| 20:31.02 | centrx | mcurran, You can learn about regular expressions. It is useful knowledge. |
| 20:31.19 | centrx | mcurran, I have always found it simpler to pipe it through grep multiple times (and I already know regex anyway) |
| 20:31.34 | centrx | s/and I/even though I/ |
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| 20:31.46 | repxl | jelly-home so which is the easier msmtp-mta, nullmailer or ssmtp ? |
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| 20:32.18 | jelly-home | repxl: I haven't tried msmtp-mta, but it seems to be the current recommended null client over on #postfix channel |
| 20:32.36 | mcurran | yes, I was trying to learn some regex, because I need to be a lot better at bash tools |
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| 20:33.01 | lorenzosu | Hi all does anyone know of a graphical login manager which will enable to display an image/icon instead of user name? |
| 20:33.04 | jelly-home | repxl: nullmailer is a-ok, I use it for chroots now. I moved away from ssmtp but don't remember the exact reason |
| 20:33.20 | abrotman | lorenzosu: gdm3 |
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| 20:33.31 | lorenzosu | abrotman: ok thanks. |
| 20:34.16 | lorenzosu | Any other apart from gdm3? |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | what's wrong with gdm3? |
| 20:35.36 | jelly-home | frivolous setting of nondefault xauth file! |
| 20:35.56 | abrotman | lorenzosu: supposedly KDM can as well |
| 20:36.10 | lorenzosu | nothing really... but installing it even with -no-install-recommends will pull ~100 Mb worth of packages :) |
| 20:36.29 | abrotman | lorenzosu: you want fancy icons, you pay the price! |
| 20:37.12 | lorenzosu | abrotman: it's not about fanciness, but about accessibilities... As surprising as it may seem some users may have difficulty/problems with reading text |
| 20:37.26 | lorenzosu | addaitech: personally I'm really happy with slim |
| 20:37.28 | lorenzosu | :) |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | isn't sure addaitech cares .. |
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| 20:38.07 | SynrG | lightdm is themable. not sure what version this applies to: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Changing_your_avatar |
| 20:38.22 | lorenzosu | wops |
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| 20:38.51 | abrotman | SynrG: I thought it was , but the package descriptoin is awful, so I oculdn't verify |
| 20:38.53 | lorenzosu | SynrG: yes. was exactly looking at the lightDM page right now. |
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| 20:39.02 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 20:40.40 | lorenzosu | Guess I'll try lightDM and one of its greeters and see if something usable comes out |
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| 20:43.47 | musca | mcurran: grep -P 'one|two|three' yourfile , but believe me it's more joy to find it the manpage |
| 20:43.53 | repxl | jelly-home on one tuto it says here i find the config file sudo nano /etc/msmtprc but this dir or file not exists on my system can i check where the config is on debian ? |
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| 20:46.15 | jelly-home | repxl: at installation time, did you get the "Create a system wide configuration file?" question? |
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| 20:49.05 | xreal | jelly-home: all of the channels on OFTC seem to be dead. Many bots in there, no humans. |
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| 20:51.16 | jelly-home | xreal: it's weekend, people spend time with families. Be patient. |
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| 20:56.09 | abrotman | or just try it and see |
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| 20:57.18 | jelly-home | oh I believe him -kernel is quiet, without even trying |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | i know |
| 20:57.39 | repxl | jelly-home ok it works i did gmail now , you mentioned if my digital ocean is also a mail provider yes i found out it is what are the benefits ? so i can use my own domain so people see my domain who is sending emails ? |
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| 20:58.25 | jelly-home | repxl: your provider might allow you to set arbitrary envelope-from and From: header. Google will not. |
| 20:58.39 | jelly-home | so yeah |
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| 21:01.46 | repxl | jelly-home oh digital ocean has not mail server they told me i have to setup my own mail server on my vm :/ so i stick with gmail i think... |
| 21:02.09 | pronto_ | how does one rice? |
| 21:03.03 | jelly-home | pronto_: do you have a Debian support question? |
| 21:03.41 | pronto_ | I'd like to know how to customise to my liking |
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| 21:09.27 | jelly-home | pronto_: huge? I don't use Gnome, I have no idea what it looks like by default. |
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| 21:11.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: I do, and I still don't know what he's talking about |
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| 21:11.45 | pronto_ | jelly-home: what is gnome, and what are alternatives, what are the pros and cons? im new |
| 21:13.03 | abrotman | suspects jelly-home has fallen for a frappe |
| 21:13.31 | centrx | Is this the kind of frappe that lives under a bridge? |
| 21:13.45 | jelly-home | wonders whether abrotman just called him fat |
| 21:14.01 | centrx | wonders who is wearing a hat |
| 21:14.44 | jelly-home | pronto_: what did you mean by "rice" |
| 21:15.18 | jelly-home | !next |
| 21:15.19 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have them stuffed! |
| 21:15.23 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 21:15.29 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal next |
| 21:15.29 | dpkg | "next" is "<reply>see customer" |
| 21:15.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal customer |
| 21:15.34 | dpkg | "customer" is "<REPLY> Another happy customer leaves the building.||<reply> A satisfied customer? We should have them stuffed!||<reply>NEXT PLEASE!||<action>rattles the #debian tip jar (http://www.debian.org/donations)" |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: seemed a bit trollish,no? |
| 21:16.18 | jelly-home | yes, but one never knows |
| 21:17.16 | mo1991 | I am getting static trough the vlc player only when using HDMI output of my nvidia card. It is only in VLC all other programs play find. There is a workaround to put tsched=0 into the pulse config, and this does fix sound in vlc with hdmi, but kills sound in other sound cards. Can anyone help |
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| 21:19.27 | mo1991 | it appears that some cards work well with tsched off and some only work with it on. is there a way to turn this off /on for each card? The default.pa in /etc/pulse/defaults.pa file allows for tsched=) command but this makes all soundcards default to this |
| 21:19.37 | mo1991 | it seems tsched is a module that is either loaded or no |
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| 21:26.31 | repxl | can anyone read my configs from remote ? |
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| 21:26.42 | repxl | im a self admin only root exists only root handles |
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| 21:27.22 | Nik05 | right... |
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| 21:28.37 | average | repxl: that depends on how you configure your debian machine I guess.. |
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| 21:32.05 | Natio | Hi guys |
| 21:32.20 | Natio | Whats the command to see successful and failed Telnet attempts in debian 7? |
| 21:32.35 | Natio | Or which directory is the log file hiding in? :) |
| 21:32.40 | centrx | Natio, It would be recorded in /var/log |
| 21:32.54 | centrx | Natio, (Note: Don't use telnet for remote access, it is insecure) |
| 21:32.55 | Natio | I'm there centrx, whats the name of the log file m8? |
| 21:32.58 | teraflops | /var/log/auth.log i guess centrx |
| 21:33.02 | centrx | ^ |
| 21:33.08 | Natio | I just checked, it aint |
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| 21:33.32 | centrx | That seems highly unlikely that /var/log/auth.log would be missing |
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| 21:34.25 | Natio | Im sorry, the auth file is there, but the IP's aint there |
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| 21:42.38 | abrotman | Natio: telnet? really? |
| 21:43.15 | Natio | abrotman, i'm testing if my proxy server is working correctly, by attempting to connect to my own machine with telnet |
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| 21:44.40 | centrx | Wow the Debian Administrator's Handbook is really well written. Who is responsible for that |
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| 21:45.11 | abrotman | centrx: did you check the title page? |
| 21:45.21 | centrx | ^ this guy's smart |
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| 21:46.28 | Roland- | hello. I am having an huge issue here. I have an image file, qemu image that has 17 GB in sizem and I try to copy it, here is what happens: https://dpaste.de/Na9i |
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| 21:47.36 | centrx | Roland-, Is it being copied from one filesystem to another? |
| 21:48.01 | Roland- | two different partition but but it's the same fs |
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| 21:51.27 | centrx | Roland-, Very strange. It could be because it is a VM so the system might be confused about its "real" size"? Seems unlikely though |
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| 21:58.21 | shawnbon206 | question: at the very least my users .bashrc should check for and run (if exists) /etc/bashrc ? |
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| 22:02.29 | eb0t | what is cheese called on debian |
| 22:02.36 | abrotman | cheese |
| 22:02.43 | centrx | shawnbon206, I thought login was responsible for that? |
| 22:02.48 | eb0t | h aha ok i havent got it then |
| 22:02.52 | eb0t | cool abrotman |
| 22:02.55 | abrotman | so install it? |
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| 22:04.36 | shawnbon206 | centrx http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/sample-bashrc.html on the first page "source global definitions" |
| 22:06.22 | shawnbon206 | i was thinking about putting that in /etc/skel and all my preexisting users and then making all changes globally |
| 22:07.07 | shawnbon206 | sorry.. i guess i answered my own question |
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| 22:07.10 | shawnbon206 | :) |
| 22:07.17 | centrx | Good work team |
| 22:07.17 | socomm | shawnbon206: .bash_profile can do that, .bashrc is for something else |
| 22:07.22 | eb0t | cheese seems to record a bit slow ...any ideas |
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| 22:07.32 | centrx | eb0t, Add mayonaise? |
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| 22:08.03 | eb0t | dont know if there is a way to speed up frame capture or something |
| 22:08.25 | socomm | eb0t: get faster computer |
| 22:08.49 | eb0t | is there anyone here that knows about cheese |
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| 22:08.58 | abrotman | eb0t: polls suck |
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| 22:09.14 | eb0t | framee capture seems a bit slow abrotman |
| 22:09.22 | abrotman | eb0t: compared to what? |
| 22:09.25 | centrx | eb0t, Everything I know about cheese I learned from you. |
| 22:09.41 | eb0t | compared to using it on my laptop which is a much slower computer |
| 22:09.53 | eb0t | so i think it must be some config problem |
| 22:09.58 | eb0t | not sure where to start |
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| 22:10.51 | eb0t | other than that ill just spend a good while messing with all the config and see what happens |
| 22:10.52 | abrotman | reading the docs |
| 22:10.55 | eb0t | thanks anyway |
| 22:10.59 | SynrG | so use mencoder or something |
| 22:11.07 | eb0t | mencoder |
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| 22:11.15 | eb0t | thanks never heard of it but i will try |
| 22:11.22 | SynrG | i've been really unhappy with cheese performance on underpowered systems :p |
| 22:11.34 | SynrG | eb0t: it's not going to give you the nice visual feedback of cheese |
| 22:11.56 | SynrG | mencoder == mplayer encoder |
| 22:12.02 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 22:12.08 | eb0t | thanks ill try it |
| 22:13.13 | SynrG | could use mplayer with --capture or so |
| 22:13.43 | SynrG | mencoder cuts it back to the bare essentials. just capturing the stream. |
| 22:14.02 | SynrG | so if you're really suffering performancewise, it's a decent choice |
| 22:14.30 | eb0t | perfect |
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| 22:15.04 | eb0t | my other linux on my pc is real lightweight so maybe that is why it performs better than my debian |
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| 22:16.00 | SynrG | eb0t: vlc can do captures, too |
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| 22:16.11 | eb0t | yes i just read that |
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| 22:16.24 | eb0t | ill try all of them thanks SynrG |
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| 22:16.38 | SynrG | mplayer tv:// or vlc v4l:// |
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| 22:16.49 | SynrG | (just as a quick test of the camera) |
| 22:16.57 | SynrG | and then the various options for captures for each. check the doc |
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| 22:17.12 | eb0t | nice |
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| 22:19.29 | eb0t | wow those commands are pretty amazing...just kicked off each player |
| 22:19.31 | eb0t | thanks |
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| 22:23.45 | asterismo | hi people, is there any free skin for roundcube? because in every place it say it's free and then they charge a fee, so is not free at all |
| 22:24.03 | asterismo | if anyone knows some good free skin, please tell me |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | asterismo: there's a roundcube channel, probably ask them |
| 22:26.24 | asterismo | ok |
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| 22:43.14 | coolhp | Hello everyone, I am trying to configure racoon to initiate an ESP tunnel between my debian server and a remote server of unknown type. I'm having some difficulties getting phase 1 to start and I believe it is because I am either missconfiguring raccon, ipsec-tools or missrouting something. |
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| 22:43.33 | coolhp | If anyone has had any experience with racoon and ESP tunnels, I'd greatly appreciate the help. |
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| 22:46.21 | shawnbon206 | hey. i made an arbitrary user to make content for my /var/www, is it okay to specify /var/www as its home dir in /etc/passwd file? i want it to be the default directory for sftp |
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| 22:52.31 | average | does anyone know of anything out there capable of doing a readable graphviz/diagram of the iptables rules ? |
| 22:52.59 | average | I tried this one, but I can't say I understood the output http://ruined.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:53.25 | average | the image they have there looks nice, but for my firewall rules, it looked .. completely unreadable http://ruined.sourceforge.net/quick-demo.png |
| 22:53.39 | average | not because I have complicated rules, just because I just could not understand what the diagram was saying |
| 22:53.53 | average | I understand my firewall rules btw |
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| 23:03.46 | argi | ! |
| 23:04.03 | SynrG | coolhp: while i have no experience in that area, it's generally easier for people to answer if you give at least enough info about what you're doing, what results you expected and what you're seeing instead to give some kind of helpful answer |
| 23:04.14 | SynrG | !ask |
| 23:04.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:04.49 | coolhp | Thx SynrG. I'm going to try to document my question a bit further. |
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| 23:06.00 | anonnumberanon | Would it be a mistake to install Debian on my Raspberry Pi? They have Raspbian which should be very straight forward but I am turned off by the fact that it isn't actually Debian. |
| 23:06.39 | SynrG | !rpi |
| 23:06.40 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:07.02 | mimoo | guys |
| 23:07.09 | mimoo | I typed $bind ls = ls --color |
| 23:07.10 | mimoo | in my terminal |
| 23:07.14 | SynrG | anonnumberanon: based on that description, i guess it depends on how much you'd miss that hardware floating point unit :/ |
| 23:07.14 | mimoo | now I can't type the "l" letter |
| 23:07.20 | mimoo | any idea ? |
| 23:07.34 | NetEcho | Hi folks I've installed pastebinit but it doesn't seem to generate a pastebin entry when using the paste.debian defaults but if I specify -b http://paste.ubuntu.com it works, wondering if anyone has found a fix for this or knows how to change the defaults for it? |
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| 23:08.34 | anonnumberanon | SynrG, I don't know what it is and I will look it up but if that means I will use more power for it then it would be definitely bad. |
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| 23:09.51 | SynrG | anonnumberanon: it kinda depends on what jobs you have in mind for the rpi |
| 23:10.23 | SynrG | some computational jobs require floating point. many don't |
| 23:10.33 | anonnumberanon | I bought it for its GPIO to interface with electronics. |
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| 23:11.19 | SynrG | you may not miss it, then |
| 23:12.01 | |meta| | hola all i have what prolly is a simple question for you but between me google and debian dox i cant figure out the solution |
| 23:12.23 | SynrG | anonnumberanon: a lot of embedded platforms lack FPUs |
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| 23:13.21 | abrotman | NetEcho: I think this is in the BTS |
| 23:13.56 | |meta| | on a fresh install of debian im getting a GLIBC2.15 not present error |
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| 23:14.08 | |meta| | and i did do the build essentials |
| 23:14.20 | |meta| | basically its an irc box |
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| 23:14.41 | |meta| | threw up the ircd fine but on running services i get this happyness |
| 23:14.49 | |meta| | ./services: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./services) |
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| 23:15.08 | |meta| | im thinkin services cant see the 32 bit version or something |
| 23:15.15 | |meta| | tbh im unsure |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | when running what? |
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| 23:18.01 | |meta| | anope |
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| 23:18.15 | |meta| | im srsly confused |
| 23:18.17 | |meta| | lol |
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| 23:18.23 | SynrG | |meta|: that would tend to happen on a binary build that is not for your release |
| 23:18.26 | |meta| | this makes no sense |
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| 23:18.38 | |meta| | ahh now that makes sense |
| 23:18.56 | SynrG | what's anope and where did you get it? |
| 23:19.06 | |meta| | anope is like atheme |
| 23:19.13 | SynrG | this helps me not one whit |
| 23:19.14 | |meta| | another flavor of irc services |
| 23:19.26 | SynrG | details. we thrive on details |
| 23:19.27 | |meta| | it is a flavor of irc services |
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| 23:19.36 | |meta| | well you are on freenode atm |
| 23:19.44 | |meta| | they use atheme services |
| 23:19.59 | |meta| | anope is just a different form of those services |
| 23:20.01 | SynrG | i don't need you to *describe* it. i need a link. where did you get it from? which file? |
| 23:20.03 | NetEcho | abrotman bts? |
| 23:20.09 | |meta| | oh |
| 23:20.11 | |meta| | anope.org |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | NetEcho: bugs.debian.org |
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| 23:20.18 | |meta| | version 1.8.8 |
| 23:20.30 | NetEcho | abrotman thank you I will search for it |
| 23:20.41 | NetEcho | wow anope is still around? |
| 23:21.13 | |meta| | anope isnt goin anywhere m8 |
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| 23:21.15 | |meta| | hehe |
| 23:21.17 | NetEcho | has flashbacks to his old irc network |
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| 23:21.36 | |meta| | especially considering their chanserv and nickserv now have cpanel control for all users |
| 23:21.39 | |meta| | oper or not |
| 23:21.42 | |meta| | hehe |
| 23:21.50 | NetEcho | I remember when anope first came out lol ah the days of running unrealircd 1.x with epona services |
| 23:22.00 | NetEcho | wha??? |
| 23:22.01 | NetEcho | wow |
| 23:22.31 | SynrG | |meta|: on what system did you build it, then? |
| 23:22.39 | NetEcho | these days all I use IRC for is opensource support heh |
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| 23:23.50 | |meta| | Linux irc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 UTC 2013 x86_64 |
| 23:23.54 | |meta| | Debian |
| 23:24.09 | |meta| | the OS is only a few hrs old |
| 23:24.10 | NetEcho | nice |
| 23:24.21 | |meta| | had to make it proper b4 i did the irc stuff |
| 23:24.35 | NetEcho | howcome you're running 2.6? |
| 23:24.36 | |meta| | i think its calling for a 32 bit lib |
| 23:24.42 | NetEcho | Linux Triangulum 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:24.43 | |meta| | yet its a 64bit os |
| 23:24.59 | |meta| | hrm |
| 23:25.09 | SynrG | |meta|: that kernel version is consistent with squeeze ... |
| 23:25.09 | |meta| | thats what hetzner threw on there |
| 23:25.12 | |meta| | :x |
| 23:25.14 | SynrG | which is oldstable |
| 23:25.18 | |meta| | o joy |
| 23:25.21 | |meta| | :/ |
| 23:25.24 | NetEcho | no problems with it tho |
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| 23:25.47 | NetEcho | if it's working may as well leave it |
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| 23:26.04 | SynrG | NetEcho: well, he wouldn't be here if it were working ... ;) |
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| 23:26.28 | SynrG | i honestly don't know if the libc thing could be relate to that |
| 23:26.34 | ZitZ | what determines the permissions on usb event devices when they are plugged in |
| 23:26.38 | NetEcho | SynrG good point lol |
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| 23:26.56 | ZitZ | udev? |
| 23:27.09 | abrotman | so much enter ... |
| 23:27.12 | NetEcho | so far I've had good luck with my last few debian deployments (knock on wood) |
| 23:27.13 | |meta| | screw it |
| 23:27.24 | SynrG | |meta|: is that the only third-party component on this system? is the rest all debian? |
| 23:27.25 | |meta| | ima have hetzner update that shit |
| 23:27.26 | NetEcho | |meta| what kind of issues are you having? |
| 23:27.33 | |meta| | i pay enuff for the damn rack |
| 23:27.44 | SynrG | 20:14 < |meta|> ./services: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./services) |
| 23:27.47 | NetEcho | |meta| if you have root access you can do the upgrade |
| 23:27.50 | SynrG | NetEcho: ^^ |
| 23:27.56 | NetEcho | hmm |
| 23:27.59 | |meta| | ofc i have root |
| 23:28.04 | |meta| | sec |
| 23:28.13 | |meta| | i have a whole rack though |
| 23:28.15 | |meta| | lol |
| 23:28.20 | |meta| | 8 blades |
| 23:28.34 | |meta| | brb |
| 23:28.38 | NetEcho | |meta| if you want to upgrade you should read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 23:28.43 | SynrG | ,v libc6 |
| 23:28.45 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-4; sid: 2.18-4 |
| 23:28.53 | SynrG | 2.15 is not even in wheezy :/ |
| 23:29.22 | NetEcho | heh he'll have to manually compile it |
| 23:29.33 | SynrG | no. something smells wrong |
| 23:29.42 | SynrG | mixing binary components from different releases was my first guess |
| 23:29.49 | NetEcho | |meta| did you compile anope from source? |
| 23:29.55 | SynrG | if not this anope thing, then something else |
| 23:30.12 | NetEcho | SynrG I wonder if he used a poorly built .deb file to install |
| 23:30.49 | NetEcho | has flashbacks to trying to use utorrent's .deb packages and running into tons of those errors |
| 23:30.57 | SynrG | he pointed me at anope.org. that pointed me back to sf.net. i saw nothing there but source pkg |
| 23:31.09 | NetEcho | hmm |
| 23:31.26 | |meta| | sok guys sorry i bugged ya i see what its doin |
| 23:31.28 | SynrG | i'm done making guesses until he returns and explains what he did :) |
| 23:31.30 | NetEcho | what about symlinking it? |
| 23:31.39 | |meta| | its goin after a 32 lib on a 64 bit os |
| 23:31.53 | SynrG | but "it" is what? |
| 23:31.57 | |meta| | inshort i just called the DC their upgrading the whole rack |
| 23:32.06 | |meta| | sorry i wasted yer time |
| 23:32.07 | |meta| | :x |
| 23:32.34 | |meta| | it is the anope version im told |
| 23:32.54 | |meta| | either way though im glad you pointed out the version i had was old |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | please stop hitting enter |
| 23:33.11 | |meta| | ahh this is that sort of chan heh |
| 23:33.13 | |meta| | pz |
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| 23:33.44 | NetEcho | |meta| this is an official support channel |
| 23:33.47 | |meta| | SynrG hit me up in pm if you need a free vps screw the rest of the stuck ups |
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| 23:34.28 | abrotman | thank goodness .. |
| 23:34.34 | NetEcho | agreed |
| 23:35.14 | ZitZ | i have two debian sid systems. When I plug a joystick into one, the permissions are 0644, on the other it is 0600 i think. Any ideas what one has that the other doesn't. There are no different udev rules. |
| 23:35.28 | Leoneof | anyone knows about how to use reprepro? |
| 23:35.45 | abrotman | !ask |
| 23:35.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:38.11 | Leoneof | i have installed reprepro, and i don't know what to do with conf |
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| 23:38.58 | philipp__ | hi, im having a problem with openvpn. when i am connected my internet is VERY slow and i dont know what could cause that... |
| 23:40.34 | crane | hi, i'm trying to figure out what's the purpose of all vs default in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf. i found this http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123606366021995&w=2 but now i'm confused about what he means with and/or/whatever. can someone explain me this more briefly? |
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| 23:41.07 | SynrG | Leoneof: help us out here. we have no idea what you're trying to do or where you're stuck. |
| 23:42.06 | chomwitt | why debian installer sees my hard disk as SCSI ? |
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| 23:42.51 | SynrG | chomwitt: for years ide has been layered by the linux kernel on top of a virtual scsi layer |
| 23:43.06 | SynrG | chomwitt: been hiding under a rock? :) |
| 23:43.10 | Leoneof | SynrG: when i run "reprepro -V update jessie", i get this message "Cannot find definition of upgrade-rule 'debian' for distribution 'jessie'!" |
| 23:44.01 | klide_ | hi people. what is the best way to allow access to a block device over a network? |
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| 23:44.50 | centrx | klide_, Depends on what you're doing with it, and do you mean the actual block device? |
| 23:45.11 | SynrG | Leoneof: so, share your configuration? |
| 23:45.20 | SynrG | Leoneof: maybe we can spot the problem |
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| 23:45.47 | Leoneof | SynrG: sure, wait.. |
| 23:45.50 | klide_ | centrx: yes, the block device. i have a computer which i'd like to backup the data from the other computers i own using rsync, but i don't want that computer to ever have access to the data unencrypted |
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| 23:46.25 | chomwitt | SynrG: thanks! :-) |
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| 23:47.13 | LV-426 | klide_, check out the nbd-server package & http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:49.11 | klide_ | LV-426: ok, i will, ty |
| 23:49.14 | NetEcho | ,v transmission |
| 23:49.15 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu1; jessie: 2.82-1.1; sid: 2.82-1.1 |
| 23:49.19 | Leoneof | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/plain/90498 |
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| 23:51.28 | klide_ | LV-426: that program looks like it must be installed on the clients. i need to modify only the server |
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| 23:55.18 | klide_ | the drive for backup on my remote computer is encrypted with luks, so i want to be able to cryptsetup luksOpen from another remote computer so i can then use rsync. but i won't be able to install anything extra on the client computers |
| 23:55.28 | SynrG | Leoneof: i don't know reprepro, but are you sure that should be "Update: jessie"? |
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| 23:55.32 | SynrG | read the doc |
| 23:55.44 | SynrG | i suspect that provides linkage to what's in the "updates" file |
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| 23:59.48 | SynrG | Leoneof: yeah, checked the man page at manpages.debian.net. in conf/updates: |
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