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| 00:02.32 | Mongo44 | Win95, you can get it for $15. I did. |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | Mongo44: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:04.20 | basketball | boooo windoes |
| 00:04.31 | abrotman | basketball: this is #debian, we'll recommend Debian |
| 00:04.44 | basketball | i am currently using ubuntu |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | basketball: Debian seems like a fun OS |
| 00:05.06 | njaard | I'm trying to find a very small panel and taskbar kind of thing |
| 00:05.10 | basketball | abrotman, persuade me why i should use debian |
| 00:05.14 | njaard | like xfce, but smaller. any recommendations? |
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| 00:05.28 | Mongo44 | Yeah I just unpacked a tar.xz and I don't know how to open it. I guess I will search for a run command. |
| 00:05.29 | njaard | (fewer dependencies) |
| 00:05.30 | sysvalve | !troll |
| 00:05.30 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 00:05.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell basketball about why debian |
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| 00:08.58 | abrotman | basketball: anything else? |
| 00:09.06 | basketball | abrotman, ytou tell me not a bot |
| 00:09.26 | abrotman | basketball: Do you have a specific question? |
| 00:09.35 | themill | basketball: the bot summarises it quite well and provides lots of information. |
| 00:10.01 | sysvalve | yawns |
| 00:10.32 | basketball | yes debian vs ubuntu |
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| 00:11.36 | abrotman | basketball: Do you have a specific question about Debian? We don't do comparisons here. |
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| 00:12.57 | Mongo44 | I need a command to run a file. |
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| 00:13.53 | xbr3031 | abrotman, what's your affiliation with debian? you're on here helping people a lot |
| 00:14.11 | Mongo44 | After I make sure it works I would also like to place a shortcut under applications. |
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| 00:15.14 | abrotman | xbr3031: Affiliation? Besides being here? |
| 00:15.32 | abrotman | hides from themill |
| 00:15.59 | xbr3031 | i mean are you associated with the debian project in any capacity, or are you just a helpful person who is on irc a lot? |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | xbr3031: The latter I suppose. Though, it's been requested that I become a non-uploader many times |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | non-uploading DD |
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| 00:18.31 | xbr3031 | cool. just curious |
| 00:18.35 | Mongo44 | This is the contents of the files I extracted. http://paste.debian.net/90871/ |
| 00:18.44 | xbr3031 | you've helped me before and i appreciated it |
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| 00:19.17 | abrotman | xbr3031: I help lots of people .. I think :) |
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| 00:21.28 | toastyde2th | does anyone have a really good overview of ldap/pam? I've got a directory server up, but I do not understand a god damn thing about creating new user accounts, and I don't know what is required to start storing user accounts other than changing pam/nss |
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| 00:22.03 | toastyde2th | everything I find is some very specific list of directions and that's not what i'm looking for, I'm trying to understand the steps, not just be told what the steps are |
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| 00:22.42 | jhutchins_wk | Mongo44: You are not in Windows any more. |
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| 00:23.19 | Mongo44 | I know that haven't been for almost two years. |
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| 00:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | Mongo44: Then why do you think there must be a binary in the archive? |
| 00:23.50 | jetscreamer | you compile that i think, Mongo44 |
| 00:23.59 | jetscreamer | enjoy |
| 00:24.04 | jhutchins_wk | Mongo44: You need to read the instructions on the site where you got the archive. |
| 00:24.20 | jetscreamer | not understanding why you don't just do a backport |
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| 00:24.53 | abrotman | toastyde2th: the docs are pretty lacking. But ISTR they're fairly cross-platform, so things documented for RHEL should work on Debian |
| 00:25.40 | jhutchins_wk | !build |
| 00:25.41 | jetscreamer | yeh ldap is ldap is my understanding |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | well, it's more about the magic of merging LDAP and PAM |
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| 00:27.07 | abrotman | (mixed in with nsswitch.conf and all that fun stuff) |
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| 00:28.46 | toastyde2th | abrotman, the issue i'm running into is that I don't know what the documentation is actually asking me to do - it's just a bunch of undocumented steps insofar as i've seen |
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| 00:29.19 | toastyde2th | like what kind of object am I creating and why, and why do different tutorials have me create different kinds of objects for the same task, etc |
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| 00:29.51 | toastyde2th | there's probably a book on this |
| 00:30.14 | jhutchins_wk | !compile |
| 00:30.14 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | oh, you might want to ask the ldap channel |
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| 00:30.43 | toastyde2th | oh snap |
| 00:30.47 | toastyde2th | ldap channel! |
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| 00:30.55 | toastyde2th | ty |
| 00:31.12 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | toastyde2th: also, the Oreilly LDAP book is better than average |
| 00:31.22 | jhutchins_wk | toastyde2th: THere are so many possible ways to do things with ldap, documentation almost universally sucks. |
| 00:31.57 | toastyde2th | i may be coming at this from the wrong angle then, I probably need to focus more on the nss/pam side |
| 00:31.59 | A|an | Is there a way to list installed software that isn't debian packaged software...for instance, installed software like bitcoin? |
| 00:31.59 | toastyde2th | and see what that requires |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell A|an about cruft |
| 00:33.22 | A|an | thanks |
| 00:33.32 | sysvalve | dpkg: tell me about cruft |
| 00:33.34 | sysvalve | :) |
| 00:33.40 | somiaj | sysvalve: /msg dpkg cruft |
| 00:34.08 | sysvalve | somiaj: yeah, I just wanted to use the more human version :P |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sysvalve about selftell |
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| 00:35.18 | somiaj | A|an: in general debian packages should only be using /usr as their software root. Additional software should adhear to using places like /usr/local, /opt (some use this) and $HOME for userspecific software is good place to put non debian stuff. This doesn't mean that all non-debian software is put there of course. |
| 00:35.21 | sysvalve | ah I see |
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| 00:35.44 | sysvalve | got it, thanks :) |
| 00:35.52 | somiaj | sysvalve: You get the exact same info from my command with out extra noise in the channel. Just though I let ya know you can get factoids from dpkg directly (though I belive he only repsons to people in channels with him) |
| 00:36.44 | sysvalve | somiaj: yes, I knew about the direct message. Just wanted to test if it would work with 'me' instead of a nickname |
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| 00:37.23 | sysvalve | thank you anyway. Proof made and I won't do it anymore |
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| 00:37.47 | somiaj | sysvalve: oh yea didn't think of it that way. ;) |
| 00:38.06 | A|an | somiaj: I plan to reinstall / on a Corsair SSD and have decided not to use something like clonzilla, but simply reinstall/rebuild my installation (as big a nightmare as that will be!), and was wondering about how to keep up with all the minutiae I've installed |
| 00:38.30 | A|an | thanks |
| 00:39.07 | somiaj | A|an: what kinda software do you install, stuff you compile from soruce? You may want to look at teh package stow as it can manage all that stuff for you in /usr/local |
| 00:39.52 | A|an | yes, for instance, i built the latest version of bitcoin, since the binary of this latest version was flakey |
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| 00:40.20 | somiaj | A|an: this way /usr contains all the debian packaged softate, /usr/local contains all stuff you compile from source and actually manages it so you can easily remove it, list it (not all source isntalls are nice) |
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| 00:40.24 | A|an | too, obsure stuff that debian hasn't packages...not a lot, but i want to keep up with it |
| 00:40.40 | A|an | okay, great |
| 00:41.08 | A|an | just as long as i get close...if i don't miss it, i don't need it, right? ;) |
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| 00:41.33 | somiaj | A|an: well I'm more conserend about your reinstall. Perfect time to use learn to use stow |
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| 00:41.45 | A|an | stow? |
| 00:41.48 | somiaj | A|an: and giving you a way to better manage this additional software |
| 00:41.58 | somiaj | A|an: it is a debian package to manage source installs in /usr/local as I was saying. |
| 00:42.01 | abrotman | thought checkinstall was the way |
| 00:42.10 | A|an | yes! sounds great |
| 00:42.30 | A|an | I'll take a look at it |
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| 00:42.37 | Mongo44 | Maybe I will try to compile this later. What is the command for installing Warzone 2100 with backports? |
| 00:42.53 | somiaj | or listen to abrotman and use checkinstall. Stow was the one I was poinsted to |
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| 00:45.27 | A|an | somiaj: GNU Stow...yes, that's what i had in mind...thanks a lot! |
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| 00:51.44 | A|an | somaiaj: yanno, i've used checkinstall in the past and forgotten about it. that's an example of why i'd like to keep up with stuff. |
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| 00:55.51 | okee | Is there an Adobe Reader Package installer in the stable repo? I don't see it. I have a number of readers installed, but a pdf isn't opening up on a banking website. |
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| 00:57.12 | abrotman | okee: the actual Adobe package? or any PDF reader? |
| 00:57.31 | seeker61 | what is the command line for install without framebuffers |
| 00:59.01 | okee | I was referring to the actual adobe package. Adobe does have a pdf reader, but I am wondering if just changing my settings would get one that is working. I have many readers installed -- including Okular, MuPDF reader, etc. Some work with some sites, while others work with others. I am using Chromium, which doesn't allow PDF's to read online by default. So that might contribute to the problem as well. |
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| 01:00.57 | Mongo44 | Well I think it is quite conspicuous that I got a bit of learning to do. |
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| 01:28.18 | sandman13 | is it possible to update KDE from 4.8 to 4.11 in debian7 stable? |
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| 01:33.30 | abrotman | sandman13: not really in any easy way |
| 01:35.05 | sandman13 | abrotman: tell me might use it later or in future |
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| 01:36.47 | ctmjr | kde 4.11 is in jessie so when jessie, goes to stable it will be there |
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| 01:41.01 | sandman13 | ctmjr: when will that happen? |
| 01:41.26 | movrax | sandman13: you can use a dirty solution and force install it from experimental |
| 01:41.32 | movrax | I did that with XFCE on wheezy |
| 01:41.45 | movrax | but rather using experimental I went with testing |
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| 01:43.21 | sandman13 | movrax: i am thinking of that too but wonder if i will get updates from testing |
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| 01:44.53 | abrotman | movrax: do NOT recommend that |
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| 01:45.00 | abrotman | sandman13: please do'nt dothat, your system will likely break |
| 01:45.22 | sandman13 | abrotman: guess i have to wait for jesse to release |
| 01:46.31 | ctmjr | sandman13: I have no idea they have not set a release date. |
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| 01:48.00 | ctmjr | but wheezy is not even a year old |
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| 01:51.35 | sandman13 | means i have to wait 2 more years |
| 01:51.38 | sandman13 | feeling annoyed |
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| 01:53.34 | BradGillap | Is there a version of debian desktop with less built in applications? |
| 01:54.10 | ctmjr | maybe a little over a year it averages every two years then wheezy will have support for another year |
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| 01:55.44 | CygniX | which package provides 'dovecot-share-folder.conf' ? |
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| 01:56.37 | abrotman | BradGillap: remove the ones you don't want |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell CygniX about apt-file |
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| 01:57.26 | CygniX | abrotman: is that going to help with telling which package provides that config file? |
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| 02:00.32 | CygniX | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:05.58 | JoshuaP | if i made a cluster using erlang riak software can i have the cluster run regular applications with it? like each node gets an even % of the processing? if not, could a beowulf cluster handle this task? |
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| 02:16.41 | mcurran | I have a running install of debian testing, which I upgraded to sid, so now it's jessie/sid. And my sound is all choppy. I thought at first it was just my flashplayer buffer or something, but playing audio with vlc creates the same stuttering/choppy playback. Does anyone have any suggestions for that. |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | Use stable |
| 02:17.27 | mcurran | Also, today's upgrade (libcups, cups, and some more) killed my gnome-shell, I'm still trying to figure that out, but I get the Oh no, something went wrong again. even when disabling all extensions |
| 02:17.38 | mcurran | come abrotman, we've been over this |
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| 02:18.09 | mcurran | I like to fix crap |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | then fix it, don't ask us to fix it for you |
| 02:18.36 | mcurran | why did i know you were going to say that |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | You set yourself up for it |
| 02:18.46 | mcurran | what are you working on tonight |
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| 02:20.26 | abrotman | Watching you fix your own problems that you created by using testing/unstable |
| 02:21.03 | mcurran | i got a phone screen tomorrow for a jr. level linux admin. position, however the guy i'll be speaking with has a ph.d and knows his stuff (especially with secured money transfers with mobile devices and new tech. somehow) so I kinda gotta figure out how they secure that stuff, so I can relate my network security hobby with what he does, ya know... |
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| 02:21.34 | abrotman | and you need sound for this? |
| 02:21.40 | mcurran | yes |
| 02:21.53 | mcurran | because background buckethead music is critical for this endeavor |
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| 02:22.49 | abrotman | Not getting hired .. |
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| 02:22.52 | mcurran | first i'll need a working desktop env. (shouldn't have rebooted - god knows why gcc and cups would 'f' up my shell) |
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| 02:23.09 | mdel | because unstable |
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| 02:23.33 | mcurran | yeah, looks like i'll be studying with winblows 8 tonight |
| 02:23.41 | mdel | it's literally called exactly the behavior you are describing |
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| 02:24.15 | mcurran | yeah, well gnome-shell 3.8 doesn't sound too unstable to me, hardly cutting edge |
| 02:24.47 | mcurran | i would like to contribute someday, and you ain't gonna learn as much working in stable |
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| 02:45.00 | bttr | so i checked lxde |
| 02:45.06 | bttr | its 10 times better than kde |
| 02:45.15 | bttr | 2 times smaller memory usage |
| 02:45.26 | bttr | and has ability to iconize taskbar items and combine them |
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| 02:45.49 | bttr | and its 2 times faster |
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| 02:47.37 | abrotman | 2x smaller memory usage? |
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| 02:49.30 | bttr | abrotman, yes |
| 02:49.49 | bttr | and everything is so fast, moving windows, opening file manager |
| 02:49.54 | bttr | why do people use kde? |
| 02:51.45 | ctmjr | because they like it? |
| 02:51.54 | bttr | how to make file operations like rename etc. when im in file chooser dialog? (upload in firefox) |
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| 02:52.07 | bttr | ctmjr, or they are forced to kde? like i was? |
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| 02:52.28 | bttr | kde was default on OS i used |
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| 03:13.25 | PurpleDog | I'm generating a self-signed ssl certificate on my home server running Debian 7 - for common name, should I use my external IP address or the server's local IP address? |
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| 03:13.44 | lstefani | hello. how i can change a file with drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody nobody to drwxr-xr-x 5 root root? ok i run chown root:root file_name, but not work |
| 03:15.37 | tekkbuzz | lstefani: you have to be root to change to root, try using sudo |
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| 03:16.21 | lstefani | hello tekkbuzz thanks. but i try but not work |
| 03:16.54 | tekkbuzz | lstefani: what does whoami say? |
| 03:17.37 | lstefani | i have root. whoami return 'root' |
| 03:18.23 | tekkbuzz | then you should be able to change ownership to whomever you want. |
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| 03:19.21 | lstefani | yep. but it doesn't work |
| 03:20.46 | lstefani | [root@server 000]# ls -l |
| 03:20.51 | lstefani | drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody nobody 4096 Mar 28 06:58 129 |
| 03:20.51 | lstefani | [root@server 000]# chown root:root 129/ |
| 03:20.51 | lstefani | [root@server 000]# ls -l |
| 03:20.51 | lstefani | drwxr-xr-x 5 nobody nobody 4096 Mar 28 06:58 129 |
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| 03:21.01 | lstefani | see? |
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| 03:24.01 | tekkbuzz | try it without the trailing / |
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| 03:26.11 | lstefani | tekkbuzz: thanks. but my problem are other. i found this, http://reyansh-netapp.blogspot.com.br/2013/05/nfsv4-mounts-show-file-owners-as-root.html 'cause i'm running NFS, and i solve my problem with that |
| 03:26.57 | tekkbuzz | ah ok, good. |
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| 03:27.48 | dizzylizzy | in upgrading my laptop (wheezy) to jessie, I've been reduced to 256 colors in Xorg |
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| 03:34.30 | willwh | dizzylizzy: you sorted? |
| 03:34.50 | willwh | I don't run debian with guis, so I can't help really |
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| 03:36.24 | dizzylizzy | :-/ something tells me I should just buy a new laptop. This one is a powerpc iBook g4 from 2005 |
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| 03:38.31 | mcurran | put mavericks on it |
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| 03:39.15 | dizzylizzy | :-/ is that an OS X thing? |
| 03:39.22 | dizzylizzy | this computer hasn't run OS X in 8 years |
| 03:39.27 | mcurran | strange how they released mavericks free w/ all those yuppies and people who don't know any better, whom they coulda made millions off of |
| 03:39.44 | dizzylizzy | s/free/gratis/ |
| 03:41.21 | mcurran | is there any need to be running multiarch archlinux? Is google-earth and the others up to date yet? |
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| 03:43.40 | dizzylizzy | you might want to ask in #archlinux |
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| 03:44.22 | willwh | dizzylizzy: buy a new laptop |
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| 03:45.08 | willwh | I just got an i5 / 6gb ram for about 500 |
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| 03:45.19 | willwh | will throw an ssd in it soon |
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| 03:52.57 | Henry151 | hello there folks |
| 03:53.02 | Henry151 | I |
| 03:53.43 | Henry151 | I've got some bizarre problems with gnome where certain characters aren't rendering |
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| 03:54.15 | dizzylizzy | willwh: does the wifi work with free software drivers? if so what model did you buy? |
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| 03:55.16 | dizzylizzy | right now i'm looking to buy a gluglug (shop.gluglug.co.uk) but even though that hardware is well known as super durable and long-lasting, it is sitll 8 years old |
| 03:55.54 | WormFood | How do I change my window manager with xfce4? I've followed all the official debian docs, and nothing works. update-alternatives --config x-window-manager shows my window manager of choice as my selection, but it does not execute. |
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| 03:58.40 | willwh | dizzylizzy: just a cheap acer, it has an atheros chipset card |
| 03:58.51 | dizzylizzy | atheros is well-supported, right? |
| 03:58.52 | WormFood | so it seems that debian is simply busted, when it comes to changing the window manager...why does this shit not work? |
| 03:59.06 | dizzylizzy | WormFood: define simply busted, what is it you're trying to do |
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| 03:59.11 | somiaj | WormFood: the alternatives just sets the default wm if it isn't set elsewhere. When you load up xfce4 from your display manager it then loads the window manager. You will need to ask people who know xfce4 or look up how to configure which wm it uses. |
| 03:59.22 | somiaj | WormFood: or is it you want to run another window manager and not run xfce4? |
| 03:59.23 | dizzylizzy | oh i didn't see the above thing |
| 03:59.24 | dizzylizzy | sorry |
| 03:59.25 | WormFood | I've already said, I just want to change the damn window manager, and not have my settings lost next time I update |
| 04:00.10 | WormFood | it's really frustrating, when I spend hours on this, trying to do it the "debian way", and it simply does not work at all |
| 04:00.26 | somiaj | WormFood: there are many thigns that could mean, do you want to only run that window manager, or do you want to run it inside of xfce (with all of its extra stuff)? |
| 04:00.52 | somiaj | WormFood: if you want to change the window manager xfce runs you need to use xfce to configure this. this link may help http://askubuntu.com/questions/143376/how-to-change-xfce4-default-window-manager |
| 04:01.00 | WormFood | I want to change my window manager. xfwm is crap for me. |
| 04:01.23 | somiaj | WormFood: if you want to load x with a different window manager, you can do this with .xsession, or select a different session to load when you log in via your display manager. |
| 04:01.34 | WormFood | I don't use a display manager |
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| 04:02.09 | WormFood | I login from the console, then launch X from there. I don't like graphical logins. (because I'm not always in graphical mode) |
| 04:02.13 | somiaj | WormFood: so you use .xsession with startx. You can change your $HOME/.xsession adn tell it exactly what to launch at startup. Again it will be different if you want to run the wm alone or inside of xfce |
| 04:03.10 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.41 | somiaj | WormFood: and keeping complainig won't get you help either. do you have a $HOME/.xsession or $HOME/.xinitrc file? if so what is in it? |
| 04:04.10 | WormFood | somiaj, if you read the debian docs, they'll tell you that if you use .xinitrc it will break other things. |
| 04:04.56 | themill | WormFood: well done on not actually answering the question. we will now not answer your questions for a while. |
| 04:04.59 | WormFood | I have not added it to my .xsession file, because I shouldn't need to. I should be able to tell xfce what window manager I want to use, and it should use it. I shouldn't have to launch xfce manually with .xsession |
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| 04:05.05 | Henry151 | I want to completely remove my display manager... |
| 04:05.08 | somiaj | WormFood: Yes I know that, but I do know that if you have an .xinitrc file and run startx it will get honored and making sure you either don't have it or know what is in there. Again answer my question do you have either of those files? And if so what is in them? |
| 04:05.29 | somiaj | Henry151: do you want to disable the one you have installed on boot, or remove the softare completely? |
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| 04:05.51 | WormFood | somiaj, nope, I'm not using either .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 04:05.53 | Henry151 | somiaj: disable |
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| 04:06.31 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 04:06.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 04:06.56 | somiaj | Henry151: ^^, the echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager will disable them, the remove command removes the software |
| 04:08.13 | Henry151 | somiaj: thanks |
| 04:08.17 | somiaj | WormFood: okay, put this line 'exec /path/to/desired/wm' in .xsession, when you run startx it will launch that window manager. Again if you want to change xfce4's default wm, then you need to follow that page I linked. It has some suggestions, though I like the one that has 0 votes. |
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| 04:09.29 | `ryban | bye guys :) |
| 04:09.34 | WormFood | somiaj, unfortunately, I've already done the one with zero votes, and it didn't work (but I didn't edit the xml file directly, I used the commandline tool designed for it). I will double check and make sure that file actually changed (even tho the tool shows it did change) |
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| 04:09.49 | andry | why did i not switch to syslog-ng before? :P cool replacement |
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| 04:10.09 | Henry151 | is there any way to copy and paste from irssi? |
| 04:10.36 | somiaj | Henry151: Assuming you are in X, the default (includign terminals) is select will copy and middle mouse button will paste |
| 04:11.03 | Henry151 | i am outside of x |
| 04:11.09 | somiaj | Henry151: so just slect what you want to copy, and hit the middle mouse button in the window you awnt to paste it into. Turns out this copy/paste buffere is different than the ctrl-C/ctrl-V one |
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| 04:11.23 | WormFood | yeah, it changed my user's configuration properly, as expected, but still not using it. I don't have a clue why. |
| 04:11.28 | Henry151 | I have no mouse :/ |
| 04:11.29 | somiaj | Henry151: ahh, in that case there is a mouse program called gpm that gives you a mouse in a console with the same functionality |
| 04:11.38 | Henry151 | aha! |
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| 04:12.29 | mingar | hi what kernel does debian carry ? in 7.4 ? |
| 04:12.29 | snardbafulador | I keep getting this weird popup every time I try to install wine |
| 04:12.33 | snardbafulador | then my computer crashed |
| 04:12.34 | snardbafulador | http://i.imgur.com/eizzhMx.jpg |
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| 04:12.45 | mingar | hm |
| 04:12.56 | andry | thank you |
| 04:13.01 | average | hello abrotman |
| 04:13.06 | average | abrotman: I just wanted to say hi :) |
| 04:13.10 | abrotman | hi? |
| 04:13.40 | somiaj | mingar: default is 3.2 with full security patches. Newer kernels are proivded via wheezy-backports and you can get 3.13 from there. |
| 04:14.03 | Henry151 | so right clicking adds it to the clipboard with gpm? |
| 04:14.35 | Henry151 | aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slimaptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim |
| 04:14.38 | somiaj | Henry151: it probably uses it's own clipboard (seperate from X). But yes you can select/paste with middle mouse button in consoles with gpm |
| 04:14.54 | somiaj | Henry151: if you run things inside of screen, screen also has ways to copy/paste with out the use of a mouse |
| 04:15.32 | WormFood | screen is awesome! If you don't know about screen, invest a little bit of time to learn it. It's worth it. |
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| 04:16.46 | WormFood | screen will also let you share the same session between users, so it can also be an effective way to show someone how to do something from the command line. |
| 04:17.01 | mingar | what is the debian command to do a full system update? apt-get upgrade -y? |
| 04:17.17 | centrx | This bumblebee thing doesn't seem to work very well |
| 04:17.31 | Henry151 | screen, eh? have to check that out |
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| 04:17.39 | centrx | mingar, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:17.59 | WormFood | Henry151, there are just a few commands you need to learn to effectively use it...you don't have to learn much. |
| 04:18.10 | Henry151 | is there any way to browse the web from within a terminal? |
| 04:18.14 | WormFood | links |
| 04:18.25 | WormFood | lynx too, but links is better I feel |
| 04:19.08 | mingar | ah ok thx |
| 04:19.13 | mingar | is iceWM available? |
| 04:19.17 | somiaj | mingar: upgrade will only install packages that do not require removing or installing additional packages. dist-upgrade will upgrade everything it can (but can also be more destructive). I woudln't have the -y there, it is nice to glance over the list before hitting 'y' |
| 04:19.18 | mingar | I love icewm |
| 04:19.24 | somiaj | ,v icewm |
| 04:19.26 | judd | Package: icewm on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.7~pre2-1; wheezy: 1.3.7-4; jessie: 1.3.7-5; sid: 1.3.7-5 |
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| 04:19.32 | mingar | amd64 |
| 04:19.36 | mingar | but its there eh |
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| 04:19.38 | mingar | cool |
| 04:19.43 | mingar | ok |
| 04:19.44 | somiaj | it will be tyhere, i386 is the default judd searches though |
| 04:19.47 | WormFood | mingar, I use sawfish. It's light and fast, and has the functions I use |
| 04:19.49 | mingar | will skip the y |
| 04:19.55 | mingar | I love iceWM |
| 04:19.56 | mingar | :) |
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| 04:19.59 | average | abrotman: how are you ? |
| 04:20.00 | mingar | even more than jwm |
| 04:20.06 | average | abrotman: everything going well ? |
| 04:20.28 | Henry151 | *joins the abrotman fan club* |
| 04:20.31 | somiaj | average: You should /j #debian-offtopic for those questions |
| 04:20.44 | centrx | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". |
| 04:20.49 | average | somiaj: I switched to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:21.07 | WormFood | I don't care which WM I use, I just want to have my clicks and key bindings acting the same. I've gotten rather used to how I configure my system, and if I can't get my regular stuff (like right clicking on a window border, to raise/lower it), I'm not comfortable |
| 04:21.39 | somiaj | centrx: what video card? You can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what xorg detected and what drivers it loaded |
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| 04:23.24 | centrx | somiaj, Yeah, it's because of this bumblebee thing with primusrun. If I send the display output to display :8, the program works on that display, but I can't see any of it because I'm on display :0 |
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| 04:24.02 | centrx | So bumblebee is able to load the driver, but it loads it on display :8, as it's configured to do, but I only have one monitor, which is on display :8 |
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| 04:24.17 | somiaj | centrx: ahh yea, I don't think I'll be of much help. I have avoided those types of systems |
| 04:24.42 | centrx | Yeah normally I don't even use 3D |
| 04:24.45 | centrx | but I wanted to try out steam |
| 04:24.58 | nikomo | It's there an utility that's supposed to switch between the cards |
| 04:25.35 | somiaj | nikomo: that is what he is using, bumblebee and primus |
| 04:25.42 | centrx | Yeah, I thought it was called bbswitch, but I can't find any executables for bbswitch |
| 04:26.21 | Henry151 | perhaps i missed the answer to my previous question, or maybe it just went unnoticed--is it possible to browse the web from a terminal without running X? |
| 04:26.24 | nikomo | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch |
| 04:26.36 | nikomo | Henry151: In a limited fashion, yes, with links etc. |
| 04:26.47 | nikomo | Links as in the program named links |
| 04:26.50 | Henry151 | aha! |
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| 04:26.56 | Henry151 | so i did miss the answer previously |
| 04:27.15 | Henry151 | i was trying to use curl just now but it wasn't really working so well |
| 04:27.17 | Henry151 | :D |
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| 04:27.33 | nikomo | If you're just trying to download a single file, curl and wget are pretty much the go-to options |
| 04:27.46 | nikomo | But if you need to actually interact with a webpage, links is probably the safest bet |
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| 04:28.14 | Henry151 | basically i can't get gnome and X working properly, and i've been trying for so long that i have given up and just removed them and i'm going to use this as a good excuse to become more effective with a terminal |
| 04:28.30 | centrx | Henry151, w3m is another advanced one that supports frames |
| 04:28.45 | nikomo | What was your problem with GNOME and X? |
| 04:28.58 | centrx | Henry151, lynx is the original classic, but less advanced than w3m and links |
| 04:29.26 | nikomo | links isn't going to do anything more sophisticated than richard stallman's homepage, really, so you're going to want to get X working in about, oh, 30 minutes |
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| 04:30.04 | average | hello, can I get some feedback on my Mutt setup here ? or should I head to #mutt ? This is my current setup https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/7/74/Average-mail-diagram.png |
| 04:30.55 | nikomo | centrx: what happens if you try and run an application with optirun, when using bumblebee? |
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| 04:31.38 | Henry151 | nikomo: i'm not sure what was causing the issues, something with the graphics card or video drivers or something i think |
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| 04:31.51 | nikomo | Apparently bumblebee renders the frames on the nvidia card on a separate x server and then transports them to the x server running on DISPLAY:= |
| 04:31.55 | nikomo | :0* |
| 04:31.55 | Henry151 | my fonts weren't display properly, certain letters just being blocks |
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| 04:32.09 | nikomo | That's probably just missing fonts Henry151 |
| 04:32.21 | centrx | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". |
| 04:32.22 | centrx | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 04:33.12 | nikomo | That's from running an application with optirun? |
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| 04:33.33 | nikomo | I think that's missing drivers for the Intel card, that's my best bet |
| 04:33.39 | Henry151 | it was also giving flashing blue things and going from normal zoom to zoomed way in and back and stuff |
| 04:33.42 | Henry151 | and glitching about |
| 04:34.06 | nikomo | Henry151: What GPU do you have? If you don't know, run lspci and look at the output, it's listed there |
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| 04:34.44 | centrx | That's an interesting idea |
| 04:34.47 | nikomo | But the blocks sound like missing fonts, I still get those on my Arch Linux laptop for Korean and Japanese characters, haven't bothered hunting down a font for them |
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| 04:35.16 | Henry151 | would that be a geforce go 6150? |
| 04:35.31 | nikomo | Yeah |
| 04:35.32 | dbb0 | rm is telling me it cannot remove things because they are directories even though i ran it with -rf |
| 04:35.34 | somiaj | Henry151: yes that is a graphics card. (: |
| 04:35.47 | Henry151 | yay! |
| 04:35.53 | dbb0 | it is a dir on an NTFS usb hdd |
| 04:36.25 | somiaj | dbb0: have you installed ntfs-3g? The default ntfs driver disables write support. |
| 04:36.25 | nikomo | dbb0: Are you sure your user has the rights to delete content from the drive? NTFS can be a dick |
| 04:36.27 | Henry151 | i'm sorry i reflexively play stupid to get more help, it's habitual and wrong, i must stop it |
| 04:36.29 | nikomo | And that |
| 04:36.33 | WormFood | dbb0, are you able to delete files ok? |
| 04:36.41 | dbb0 | nikomo: it was run as root |
| 04:36.50 | nikomo | It's probably ntfs-3g then |
| 04:37.13 | dbb0 | WormFood: yes |
| 04:37.33 | WormFood | it sounds to me like maybe you have some file system corruption |
| 04:37.36 | somiaj | Henry151: it is an older nvidia card, so you can use the free nouveau driver or the non-free nvidia-legacy drivers. |
| 04:37.59 | Henry151 | let's see |
| 04:38.03 | nikomo | Henry151: you wouldn't happen to have tried to install any drivers from nvidia's website, have you |
| 04:38.21 | dbb0 | WormFood: i had some mount issues. i ran ntfsfix which was successful, then i installed the latests ntfs-3g from source and didn't have any more trouble until now |
| 04:38.28 | nikomo | That's a really old graphics card, so it's probably covered under their legacy drivers, and I've never heard of anyone having a good experience with those |
| 04:38.31 | Henry151 | i don't think i made that mistake on this particular machine |
| 04:38.50 | somiaj | nikomo: they work just like the normal dkms ones now, just need to get the correct package. |
| 04:39.26 | dbb0 | WormFood: i had some mount issues. i ran ntfsfix which was successful, then i installed the latests ntfs-3g from source and didn't have any more trouble until now |
| 04:39.32 | nikomo | ... Wait, is there a chance you'd need the firmware package when using that GPU |
| 04:39.34 | somiaj | Henry151: if you don't want full 3d support the nouveau drivers should work fine for X with that card. I forget if you have to modify your boot kernel parameters to get the kvm driver for nouveau to load at boot. |
| 04:39.59 | Henry151 | hmm |
| 04:40.01 | mns | what package has the set of tools that helps you determine which debian repository is closer to you network wise ? |
| 04:40.02 | somiaj | yea you'll most likey need linux-firmware-nonfree (I belive that is where they are put I know the radeon firmware is there) |
| 04:40.55 | Henry151 | interesting note: i had another of the same laptop (hp tx2500) and i had kali linux on there, and it installed with functioning drivers right off |
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| 04:41.24 | nikomo | mns: if you just put to cdn.debian.net, it automatically redirects you to the best nearest one, at least it does for me |
| 04:41.28 | nikomo | point to* |
| 04:41.46 | Henry151 | and kali being based on debian, i somehow figured this would work out-of-box too :/ wishful thinking |
| 04:42.31 | nikomo | Kali is Debian-based, but it's really, really heavily modified |
| 04:42.35 | dbb0 | when I try to delete what's left in nautilus i get this error message: |
| 04:42.41 | dbb0 | Error when getting information for file '/media/mybook/rsync/dbb/.weechat/alias.conf': Input/output error |
| 04:42.55 | Henry151 | hm |
| 04:43.13 | dbb0 | `file` says the same thing |
| 04:43.18 | dbb0 | should i try remounting? |
| 04:43.31 | mns | nikomo: so I can use cdn.debian.net in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:43.32 | nikomo | It's NTFS, you should try throwing it out the window |
| 04:43.38 | nikomo | mns: yeah, that's what I do |
| 04:43.52 | Henry151 | it's funny, i've been using kali as my main operating system on multiple machines for a while, now, but i was told that this was a bad practice, that i should use kali only for specific tasks and run something else, like debian, as my main workstation OS |
| 04:43.57 | dbb0 | nikomo: unfortunately this is the only option i have for backups atm |
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| 04:44.06 | WormFood | NTFS = Nice Try File System |
| 04:44.08 | somiaj | Henry151: debian gives a lot of freedom and choice and doesn't automatically do a lot of things (like put non-free drivers on your system). So you need to kind alearn how to do a little leg work because of the freedom and choice debian gievs. |
| 04:44.12 | Henry151 | so now i've been trying to install debian for ages, on three different computers, and i've had the worst luck |
| 04:44.55 | Henry151 | but yes somiaj, i appreciate the beauty of debian |
| 04:44.59 | somiaj | Henry151: the sad part is a lot of modern hardawre require some non-free drivers to work. Debian will not install these by default which makes a bit of a learning curve compared to other things. (: |
| 04:45.02 | nikomo | dbb0: remount, unplug and plug back in, restart. Windows filesystem, might as well try the Windows approaches |
| 04:45.02 | mns | nikomo: thanks. will try it. |
| 04:45.02 | WormFood | Henry151, how are you installing? I always do a net install, and it always works flawlessly (with some rare exceptions) |
| 04:45.14 | Henry151 | i've actually wanted to run debian for several years now, and i've had a couple successful systems for a minute here or there |
| 04:45.25 | Henry151 | this intall was from "cd 1" |
| 04:45.35 | Henry151 | but i think i'll start over with a net install |
| 04:45.52 | nikomo | I keep distro-hopping, longest I managed to stay on Debian on a non-server machine was 2 months |
| 04:45.54 | WormFood | try the net install. You can get a minimal CD image, that will install just the very basics from CD, and everything else over the net |
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| 04:46.11 | somiaj | Henry151: cd1 or netinstall will give you the same base system. |
| 04:46.26 | somiaj | Henry151: so I wouldn't download netinstall if you have a cd1 handy |
| 04:46.35 | WormFood | I agree with somiaj |
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| 04:49.12 | mns | I've been running debian since last century and have not had problems at all. but then I'm willing to forego things like heavy graphics because I dont need them nor do I want them. :) |
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| 04:50.48 | somiaj | mns: I've been gaming on debian sid since about 2004, it has been a fun experience. Learn a llot |
| 04:50.51 | Aeiri | mns: you havent had a single problem with software that operates the core of your computer in the last 14+ years? are you insane? |
| 04:52.29 | nikomo | I've been a Windows user my entire life because of games, but lately I've been spending more time on my Linux laptop than my Windows desktop. With "lately" starting last summer |
| 04:52.39 | mns | Aeiri: I've had hardware failure and stupid user misconfiguring something, but no, I've not had problems other than those sort of things with Debian. |
| 04:53.21 | nikomo | I wish I could be a smug bastard and say I'm using Linux more nowadays because of some political reasoning (Snowden would probably be a good one nowadays), but honestly, it's mostly because it actually just works |
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| 04:53.38 | mns | somiaj: I'm not much of a gamer and I dont care for desktops. plain old X11 and jwm or stumpwm and I'm all set. |
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| 04:53.57 | somiaj | nikomo: I use it because of the control and speed I have. People who use my computer always comment on how fast it is. (: |
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| 04:54.12 | somiaj | mns: fvwm here, been good and solid for me for almost 15 years |
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| 04:55.07 | mns | somiaj: yup used that as well, way back when. and vtwm was my default till about 4-5 years ago. |
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| 04:55.37 | Henry151 | laptop ran out of battery |
| 04:55.57 | nikomo | Batteries, nature's way of saying "playtime's over" |
| 04:56.07 | Henry151 | so educate me folks, how do i manage my wireless networking from a terminal? |
| 04:56.16 | mns | hmmm trying to do "aptitude safe-upgrade" and am getting the following: E: Can't find a source to download version '3.13.5-1' of 'linux-image-3.13-1-powerpc-smp:powerpc' |
| 04:56.18 | nikomo | I used wifi-menu when I had to |
| 04:56.21 | somiaj | Henry151: I use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:56.38 | mns | Henry151: use the wicd-curses interface |
| 04:56.54 | nikomo | You now have 3 options |
| 04:57.06 | Henry151 | three different answers! how would you go about using /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:58.06 | somiaj | Henry151: you can put an alias there, usually a few lines, http://paste.debian.net/90888/, and then you can bring up/down that network by 'ifup wlan0=home' |
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| 04:58.37 | somiaj | that is for wpa networks, wep networks you need to use wireless-essid and wireless-key |
| 04:58.45 | mns | Henry151: or just wicd-curses :) |
| 05:00.13 | Henry151 | mns: this whole /etc/network/interfaces thing sounds like a learning experience, and i came here for a learning experience. I will also check out wicd-curses and wifi-menu |
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| 05:00.57 | mns | Henry151: debian is a learning experience for sure. |
| 05:00.58 | somiaj | Henry151: wicd-curses just uses wicd (very similar to network-manager) to do the job. It is just a curses interface insteaed of an xorg interface, but similar idea |
| 05:01.36 | Henry151 | i can just sorta see that this whole operating system has a beautiful logic and structure to it and i want to get it more deeply and see the patterns so that i can figure things out myself |
| 05:01.59 | Henry151 | the whole directory structure and stuff |
| 05:02.01 | Henry151 | i want to get it. |
| 05:03.11 | nikomo | I'm coming up on a decade of Linux usage, the best part about the directory structure is how damn fast it is to work with, once you get used to it |
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| 05:03.54 | nikomo | Heh, almost a decade of usage isn't that bad from someone who's only existed for 2 decades, right? |
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| 05:04.07 | somiaj | nikomo: until gconf came around and tryied to rebuild teh registery. I like text files myself. (: |
| 05:04.27 | somiaj | also avoid software with xml config files |
| 05:04.28 | nikomo | I seem to be configuring everything with text files still |
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| 05:05.50 | somiaj | nikomo: I always like the saying that the good thing about X is multiple xterms |
| 05:05.51 | nikomo | The part that slightly surprised me was when every config-related in systemd was in plaintext .conf files, my arch laptop runs systemd 212 and I just finished setting up all the important service stuff |
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| 05:06.23 | nikomo | After all the yelling about binary logs and stuff, I was expecting something more annoying |
| 05:06.43 | nikomo | And journalctl still spits out regular plaintext, so that's fun |
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| 05:07.39 | somiaj | nikomo: I like that most software now uses the conffile.d/ directory method so you can split thigns up with even more files. so nice (: |
| 05:07.54 | nikomo | Aye, that's also nice |
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| 05:08.17 | nikomo | Especially since you end up having a program.conf and program.d/, so tab complete stops at program. so you can then c tab or d tab |
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| 05:15.39 | Erin123456 | hello |
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| 05:15.47 | Erin123456 | hey peeps |
| 05:16.01 | Erin123456 | I bought a zotac to be my desktop and run my hdtv ... |
| 05:16.10 | Erin123456 | I am running into issues with my videocard |
| 05:16.36 | Erin123456 | i am using a Intel Mobile Celeron 857 |
| 05:17.22 | Erin123456 | I found out it dosnt support 3d video or graphics. so does this mean i am screwed? my hdtv is going to look like crap forever until i get a new video card? |
| 05:18.49 | somiaj | Erin123456: Are you wanting to play 3d games on this? If so then yes, if you are wanting to just watch movies and view video and the like it should be fine. |
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| 05:19.27 | Erin123456 | well i am trying to find a proepr how to on the xorg and driver install cause it install nvidia crap and cant use that |
| 05:19.44 | Erin123456 | when i do a glxinfo i get no rendering and xbmc wont come up that is a must |
| 05:19.56 | somiaj | Erin123456: what is 'it' and why did it install nvidia crap? debian doesn't install nvidia anything by default. |
| 05:20.33 | somiaj | Erin123456: the intel drivers should be included by default on debian, and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell us what sort of things it detected when it ran. |
| 05:20.39 | Erin123456 | well, it was my puppet client i installed i think, i can remove em but i need a proper how to on the install of the intel stuff, I've only worked with nvidia video cards |
| 05:20.55 | Erin123456 | yeah, i'll have to get on in the morning to show u |
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| 05:22.37 | somiaj | Erin123456: there are no seperate non-free intel drivers. The intell drivers are in the main system and should already be installed. The module is includeded in the kernel on the machine, and there is an xserver-xorg-video-intel package |
| 05:22.51 | Erin123456 | ok |
| 05:23.01 | somiaj | Erin123456: that should be all you need. You shoudln't need any xorg.conf files at all, and then look at the output of the log file to see what it detected and if it loaded the intel drivers or not. |
| 05:23.01 | Erin123456 | thats cool alot easier, |
| 05:23.26 | Erin123456 | true that is how its suppose to work... |
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| 05:28.33 | Erin123456 | do i need to load modules or anything? dri isnt going to work right? |
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| 05:30.31 | somiaj | Erin123456: again they should be loaded automatically (to my knowledge). But only after reading the log file can you see if they were or not |
| 05:30.33 | Henry151 | so i want to do a netinst |
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| 05:30.52 | Erin123456 | ok |
| 05:31.02 | Henry151 | but i also want to read about the directory structure in debian and why it's structured that way |
| 05:31.10 | somiaj | Henry151: if you want to use wireless y ou may want the nonfree images (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
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| 05:31.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Henry151 about fhs |
| 05:31.37 | nikomo | Henry151: might want to start off with googling "linux directory structure", the structure isn't debian-specific |
| 05:31.44 | somiaj | Erin123456: But yes there is a module that needs to be loaded as well. It just comes with the kernel and doesn't need to be compiled as a sperate package. |
| 05:32.02 | nikomo | Henry151: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 05:32.09 | Erin123456 | ok |
| 05:32.22 | Henry151 | thanks guys |
| 05:32.22 | somiaj | Henry151: Some of the structore was due to the small size of floppy disks back in the day. (: |
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| 05:32.52 | Henry151 | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.htmlhttp://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 05:36.31 | dontknow | how can i use terminal in expert install mode? |
| 05:36.59 | dontknow | i want to mount a luks partition |
| 05:37.30 | OpenTokix | dontknow: alt + f2 |
| 05:37.40 | dontknow | OpenTokix, ok let me try |
| 05:37.56 | OpenTokix | dontknow: alt + f4 for install log tail |
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| 05:40.09 | dontknow | OpenTokix, it doesn't give me list of partitions when i use lsblk? |
| 05:40.20 | dontknow | what command should i use? |
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| 05:41.42 | OpenTokix | dontknow: hmm, it is a busybox shell that is very basic |
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| 05:42.02 | OpenTokix | you might be able to use fdisk -l /dev/foo to see what partition is your desired partition |
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| 05:42.51 | dontknow | OpenTokix, i want to connect a real terminal. i mean i also need to mount lvm encrypted luks partition but it doesn't have cryptsetup command! |
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| 05:44.45 | no_gravity | Good Morning! What is this line in iptables doing? 1 fail2ban-ssh tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
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| 05:45.01 | OpenTokix | dontknow: What is it you want to do, are you installing or are you using the installer as a livecd to access the encrypted partition? |
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| 05:45.45 | OpenTokix | no_gravity: it is a special chain for fail2ban that will drop ips in a blackhole after configured number of failed attempts |
| 05:46.09 | dontknow | OpenTokix, i want to install debian on already prepared luks lvm partition. but first i have to mount it |
| 05:46.14 | themill | no_gravity: you should see elsewhere in your output a Chain: fail2ban-ssh |
| 05:46.28 | no_gravity | OpenTokix, themill: yes, i see that chain |
| 05:46.40 | no_gravity | it contains this: 1 RETURN all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 05:46.55 | no_gravity | so a chain is like a group of rules? |
| 05:46.59 | OpenTokix | dontknow: ok, have never done that so I will not be of much help for you, sorry |
| 05:47.12 | dontknow | ok. thanks anyway |
| 05:47.24 | OpenTokix | dontknow: btw, how far are you in to the installation? |
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| 05:47.53 | OpenTokix | dontknow: afaik there is a option for "setup up encrypted lvm" in the partition-steop |
| 05:47.57 | OpenTokix | step |
| 05:49.16 | bobfox | OpenTokix: there is, yes. |
| 05:49.22 | dontknow | OpenTokix, ok. nevermind. it looks like i have to create it again |
| 05:49.59 | dontknow | but i would like to know how to enter real terminal in installation mode |
| 05:50.26 | OpenTokix | dontknow: there aint one, since its a busybox running |
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| 05:51.21 | dontknow | damn |
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| 06:17.11 | jeka | hi, anybody can help me to build package ? |
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| 06:18.11 | spinningcompass | jeka: Are you rebuilding a Debian package from a repository, or are you building a package for a program or service that isn’t in a repository yet? |
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| 06:19.50 | jaami | hi, needed to make bootable usb with super grub2 but only menu is shown when made usb bootable with unetbootin. what else is possible to recover grub2 |
| 06:20.28 | jaami | before making usbbootable i formated usb to fat32 |
| 06:20.55 | mcurran | aaahhhhhh! |
| 06:20.56 | jaami | look like unetbootin is not working |
| 06:21.05 | mcurran | on windows or linux |
| 06:21.12 | jaami | on windows |
| 06:21.16 | mcurran | wasn't working for me on linux either |
| 06:21.29 | mcurran | use lili (linux live usb creator) i'm using it right now. |
| 06:21.38 | jaami | hmm, what is alternative to unetbootin on windows |
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| 06:21.46 | mcurran | look up |
| 06:21.47 | jaami | oh ok, thankx |
| 06:21.49 | mcurran | i just said |
| 06:21.58 | jaami | yes, sorry just checked |
| 06:22.01 | ruben23 | hi guys any help when i run /usr/sbin/iptables ruless --> it says no directory..? how do i run the path for iptables in debian server..? |
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| 06:22.15 | mcurran | kinda big for a simple iso to usb copier, but hey, it works |
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| 06:22.55 | mcurran | maybe use mlocate? > locate iptables |
| 06:23.12 | mcurran | works like a charm for me usually |
| 06:23.30 | mcurran | never really looked into using find, doesn't work like locate for some reason |
| 06:23.43 | jeka | hi, http://pastebin.ru/LzdhXVks any body can help ? |
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| 06:24.43 | ruben23 | mcurran: i foudn many iptables where do i choose teh rightr one..? |
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| 06:25.58 | babilen | jaami: What do you want to boot? |
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| 06:26.38 | babilen | ruben23: /sbin/iptables |
| 06:27.34 | jaami | hi babilen , lost grub2 few weeks ago and used super grub on usb to boot into debian but later formatted usb now trying to maake it again. babilen i think i should recover grub2 instead of booting system from usb. what should i do for that to work? |
| 06:28.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaami -about fixmbr |
| 06:28.17 | jaami | ahh, thanks :) forgot |
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| 06:28.48 | babilen | np |
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| 07:04.59 | mingar | ok men |
| 07:05.11 | mingar | apt-get install xorg right? |
| 07:05.20 | mingar | then just .xinitrc with exec icewm |
| 07:05.22 | mingar | and boom |
| 07:05.24 | mingar | startx and go |
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| 07:05.34 | mingar | assuming I installed icewm that is |
| 07:05.46 | mingar | I was listening to some stallman and damnit |
| 07:05.53 | mingar | I might go back to linux desktop |
| 07:06.03 | mingar | esp his bit about skypw being buggers |
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| 07:14.16 | babilen | mingar: No, don't use .xinitrc -- First it is not the right choice on Debian (you want ~/.xsession) and secondly I wouldn't recommend to use it at all, but to use a DM such as gdm3, kdm or lightdm as startx will, if you don't take care, not initialise services such as dbus, consolekit, logind, ... correctly. |
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| 07:15.23 | rryoumaa | what does xsession do that xinitrc does not? |
| 07:15.44 | babilen | dpkg: .xinitrc |
| 07:15.44 | dpkg | The optional customisation script ~/.xinitrc is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1). |
| 07:15.57 | rryoumaa | i found that all of the dms had accessibiilty or various issues |
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| 07:16.58 | babilen | I've been led to believe that gdm3 is a reasonably choice if you rely on text-to-speech systems or braille readers |
| 07:17.25 | rryoumaa | it is not obvious how to make them use very large fonts |
| 07:17.32 | rryoumaa | or deal with very low resolution displays |
| 07:17.37 | babilen | But then, not being blind myself, I have no personal experience with that. Also "various" issues is hard to deal with. |
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| 07:18.03 | rryoumaa | babilen: just saying i had various other issues, not intended as a bug report :) |
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| 07:19.47 | babilen | rryoumaa: Well, as always: There are certainly various considerations that have to be taken into account when you are recommending a technical solution for a user. In particular to a disabled one, but then non-disabled users are, AFAICT, the more frequently encountered case and I can assure you that the problems they run into due to wrongly initialised dbus sessions, for example, far outweighs the problems. |
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| 07:20.40 | rryoumaa | good to know |
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| 07:23.45 | mingar | waaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
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| 07:24.35 | mingar | ok .xsession it is |
| 07:24.38 | mingar | I use icewm |
| 07:24.39 | mingar | wow |
| 07:24.48 | mingar | never knew .xinitrc would messwith hald or dbus |
| 07:24.51 | mingar | wild |
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| 07:24.58 | babilen | mingar: Okay, take care to initialise the aforementioned services correctly. |
| 07:25.24 | mingar | dont they get inited by the box when it comes up??? |
| 07:25.28 | babilen | No |
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| 07:25.30 | mingar | hald esp |
| 07:25.34 | mingar | really |
| 07:25.39 | mingar | woa |
| 07:25.46 | babilen | hald is horribly outdated and I never referred to that. |
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| 07:26.15 | babilen | mingar: And please try to use punctuation characters and write complete sentences. "woa" simply doesn't add anything to the discussion ;) |
| 07:26.16 | mingar | such as dbus, consolekit, logind, ... correctly |
| 07:26.18 | mingar | ah ok |
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| 07:26.30 | mingar | What is consolekit again? |
| 07:26.37 | mingar | I am not sure I use it... |
| 07:26.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell mingar about consolekit |
| 07:26.45 | babilen | :( |
| 07:26.51 | mingar | I use freebsd debian archlinux redhat netbsd openbsd |
| 07:27.01 | mingar | .xinitrc has always served me well |
| 07:27.05 | babilen | mingar: Google it, there are wonderful Wikipedia articles about all of these. |
| 07:27.26 | mingar | ok I thought you might word an answer in 4 words for me |
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| 07:27.32 | cjbayliss | mingar: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ |
| 07:28.20 | babilen | mingar: Well, a bunch of services these days rely on correct information about the user who is using them and offer certain services based on, for example, wether the user is sitting in front of the computer (i.e. the session is local) or logged in from a remote location. |
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| 07:28.52 | mingar | ok arch is on systemd already |
| 07:29.07 | mingar | and ubuntu I never had probelm with .xinitrc workds like a charm |
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| 07:29.26 | babilen | mingar: Services such as consolekit and, increasingly and more correctly, logind provide these and tools such as, but not nearly limited to, network-manager, shutdown, ... simply don't work well if any of these are not configured correctly. |
| 07:29.37 | mingar | ok |
| 07:29.39 | brontosaurusrex | mingar, still in use in debian stable http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ |
| 07:29.48 | mingar | I am wreastling with the getting rid of windows |
| 07:29.54 | mingar | gosh I lose games and skype |
| 07:29.54 | xhc_[slovakia] | hi .. ftp has a iddle time of inactivity ..ok.. how to exit thae program? typing exit, bye doesnt run... it hangs |
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| 07:30.09 | mingar | but I get up to date programming tools |
| 07:30.12 | mingar | :) |
| 07:30.25 | mingar | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:30.59 | babilen | mingar: As display managers such as gdm3 initialise these correctly I tend to recommend them (also because there were bugs in ck-launch-session and related tools) to most users as I want our users to use their system to their full potential. |
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| 07:31.13 | mingar | is gdm3 installed by default? |
| 07:31.21 | brontosaurusrex | actually i manage to break my install that way, backports were pinned stupidly high ... |
| 07:31.24 | babilen | mingar: And then: How often don't you start Xorg when you use your computer and why don't you simply use a display manager? |
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| 07:31.37 | mingar | i login on terminal |
| 07:31.43 | mingar | then hit ./s |
| 07:31.50 | mingar | whhich is script for starx |
| 07:31.52 | mingar | boom |
| 07:31.54 | mingar | icewm opens |
| 07:31.57 | mingar | open xterm |
| 07:31.58 | mingar | ./f |
| 07:32.00 | babilen | mingar: So, why not start it automatically? |
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| 07:32.06 | mingar | which opens deluge firefox pidgin vlc |
| 07:32.13 | babilen | mingar: Please don't use the enter key in lieu of punctuation. |
| 07:32.17 | mingar | cuz its cmoplication i dont wana bother to learn |
| 07:32.24 | mingar | and sometimes I dont want to start that way |
| 07:32.36 | mingar | I start same way on liek 5 os |
| 07:32.44 | mingar | no ROI |
| 07:32.47 | babilen | There is nothing to learn, but then: It's your system, I am merely giving advice. If you are happy I am happy and we can move on. |
| 07:33.06 | mingar | hm |
| 07:33.07 | mingar | ok |
| 07:33.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell mingar -about enter |
| 07:33.14 | mingar | will look into if I ever get bored |
| 07:33.15 | mingar | now |
| 07:33.34 | mingar | if I run apt get system-upgrade what kernel will I get if I have 7.4? amd64? |
| 07:33.54 | mingar | apt-get system-update? |
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| 07:33.56 | mingar | I forget |
| 07:33.57 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-amd64 --arch=amd64 |
| 07:33.58 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.13+56~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.13+56; sid: 3.13+56 |
| 07:34.17 | mingar | 7.4 is sid? |
| 07:34.23 | babilen | mingar: And you might want to read: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 07:34.24 | mingar | 3.13 is nice n recent |
| 07:34.30 | mingar | oh jesus |
| 07:34.54 | babilen | mingar: Please elaborate (on a single line, seriously!) |
| 07:36.13 | mingar | Once I install ubuntu, I run apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y |
| 07:36.21 | mingar | now earlier someone said not to do that |
| 07:36.29 | mingar | but the docs seems to say its ok |
| 07:36.51 | mingar | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html#sect.apt-upgrade |
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| 07:37.25 | Dirkson | Hi all. During boot debian's screen goes all wide. On my particular hardware, this causes problems - Any way to stop it? |
| 07:37.29 | babilen | mingar: Well, firstly: -y doesn't make sense for "apt-get update" and I wouldn't install anything without taking a look at it first, so I'd personally not use "-y" with upgrade. You will, in some cases, also require "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 07:38.45 | mingar | but not ona new install of 7.4 |
| 07:38.46 | mingar | ok |
| 07:38.47 | mingar | !! |
| 07:38.47 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 07:38.52 | mingar | Now I am getting somewhere. |
| 07:39.11 | mingar | why DO people have so much problem with not tolerating liek 30 word lines? |
| 07:39.16 | babilen | mingar: Seriously, stop hitting enter that excessively please. |
| 07:39.17 | mingar | I hate 30 word lines |
| 07:39.29 | mingar | I will but please tell me why its a problem |
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| 07:40.25 | babilen | mingar: It makes it hard to follow, unnecessarily increases the length of the scrollback, makes it hard to keep other issues/msg from other users on the screen and is, quite frankly, a very puerile way to write. |
| 07:41.38 | OpenTokix | I had to google puerile =) |
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| 07:41.54 | mingar | babilen: are you from uk? |
| 07:42.10 | jaami | hybrid image is not burning on usb. i have tried unetbootin, lili and other . the image is here http://www.supergrubdisk.org/category/download/supergrub2diskdownload/super-grub2-disk-stable/ |
| 07:42.39 | mingar | I couldnt disagree more but I dont wana be hit by op hammer so I will play it your way, you know magazines have only liek 7 words to a line because its less eye work to move down then way over to right? |
| 07:43.01 | babilen | mingar: No, I am from Germany and English is not my mother tongue. I have, however, spend some time in the UK. But this is not really on-topic in here, but would be better suited for #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:43.26 | mingar | Ah a hyper finicky european, I should have known. |
| 07:43.57 | babilen | mingar: There is no need for comments like that either. |
| 07:44.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell jaami -about usb install |
| 07:44.26 | mingar | finicky is a less powerful word than purile |
| 07:44.43 | mingar | so is bossy |
| 07:44.46 | jaami | :) thanks |
| 07:44.52 | babilen | jaami: Which operating system are you using to create the image? |
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| 07:45.00 | babilem | ok |
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| 07:46.13 | wols | must be sunday already with the morons out there :( |
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| 07:46.44 | jelly-home | Eternal Sunday of the selfimportant mind |
| 07:49.46 | jaami | babilen, im using 2008R2 server |
| 07:50.07 | babilen | jaami: Is that MS Windows? |
| 07:50.15 | jaami | yes, babilen |
| 07:50.40 | wols | jaami: then use win32diskimager for the debian install media, or use YUMI for a debian live cd |
| 07:50.44 | babilen | jaami: In that case use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write our hybrid images please. |
| 07:51.03 | wols | jaami: and don't use a supergrub medium to fix your grub |
| 07:51.04 | jaami | alright, itry |
| 07:51.21 | jaami | oh ok, then what i should use to boot into debian? |
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| 07:51.32 | babilen | jaami: Do you require firmware for your hardware, do you know if and if so which desktop environment you want to install? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 07:52.16 | wols | jaami: you boot into debian and then reinstall normal grub basically |
| 07:52.34 | jaami | yes, i need formware, deboan gnome is what i want and i have working internet connection |
| 07:52.45 | babilen | jaami: You can use either the installer (if you have that ready) or any other live cd. There is a Debian live CD (http://live.debian.net/) or GRML http://grml.org/ if you are looking for a nice live CD |
| 07:52.51 | wols | babilen: from the log, he wants to (re)install grub. not install debian |
| 07:53.02 | wols | 08:27 < jaami> hi babilen , lost grub2 few weeks ago and used super grub on usb to boot into debian but later formatted usb now trying to maake it again. babilen i think i should recover grub2 instead of booting system from usb. what should i do for that to work? |
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| 07:53.45 | jaami | yes, babilen wols is right |
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| 07:54.18 | babilen | jaami: Yes, and I already gave you the fixmbr factoid :) |
| 07:54.30 | jaami | yes :) |
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| 07:54.42 | wols | jaami: and to get a debian bootable medium on your usb stick, use win32diskimager |
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| 07:54.46 | jaami | i cannot boot into debian right now |
| 07:54.50 | babilen | jaami: Sorry for reverting to the "jaami wants to install" stage, but the recent discussion somehow obscured your legitimate support request. |
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| 07:55.26 | wols | jaami: what debian or what livecd do you have downloaded and available? |
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| 07:56.19 | jaami | i am in the imression that i will be able to recover grub2 after i can boot system indebian, and for that i need something like super grub2 or live debian cd |
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| 07:57.11 | jaami | i am planing to install debian on one other system and for that i will need debian on my usb |
| 07:57.47 | jaami | so, i need to recover grub2 on my laptop and need debian on my usb to install debian on one other system |
| 07:58.57 | jaami | babilen, i think i was able to explain issue correctly. please guide me if i am wrong |
| 07:59.02 | wols | jaami: get YUMI http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ and a debian live cd image of your choice. firmware or not is irrelevant there |
| 07:59.15 | jaami | right |
| 07:59.35 | jaami | let me do it, i will be back |
| 07:59.38 | wols | jaami: 32 bit or 64bit? |
| 07:59.46 | jaami | 64bit |
| 07:59.51 | wols | then get a 64bit debian live cd |
| 08:00.15 | jaami | ok |
| 08:00.42 | wols | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 08:01.34 | jaami | oh ok, i came back for this :) |
| 08:02.06 | wols | and in the livecd, you follow the fixmbr factoid you already got |
| 08:02.19 | jaami | right |
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| 08:06.03 | Leoneof | hi, how to tell reprepro to remove older versions of packages? |
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| 08:16.00 | CygniX | is this /etc/hosts settings oK.? [127.0.0.1 mx.domain.com myhost localhost] [192.168.1.101 mx.domain.com mx.domain] |
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| 08:19.47 | mihalybak | I one of my Activities are being opened with an Intent, which method should I override to catch that Intent? |
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| 08:20.12 | babilen | mihalybak: You are aware that this is #debian aren't you? |
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| 08:20.18 | mihalybak | sorry wrong tab :) |
| 08:20.23 | oskie | CygniX: normally you don't have "mx.domain.com" for 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:20.24 | babilen | thought so :) |
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| 08:23.31 | CygniX | oskie: any suggestion? |
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| 08:26.17 | unfoobar | Hi, How do I specify a specific Debian mirror to fetch from when running apt-get? |
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| 08:27.12 | cjbayliss | unfoobar: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 08:27.50 | unfoobar | oh perfect thanks cjbayliss |
| 08:27.55 | peterrooney | unfoobar: list it, and only it, in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then, run apt-get update. |
| 08:28.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell unfoobar about wheezy sources.list |
| 08:28.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell unfoobar about http.debian.net |
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| 08:36.36 | CygniX | when i run hostname -i, should it return localhost of public ip? |
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| 08:38.37 | gr33n7007h | it should return internal ip |
| 08:39.22 | CygniX | it's returning public ip |
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| 08:40.11 | SynrG | depends on what you have in /etc/hosts |
| 08:41.03 | CygniX | trying to install iredmail, it seems to be working, but i suspect my hostname configuration is incorrect |
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| 08:41.49 | sandman13 | is grub1.99 normal in debian? |
| 08:41.53 | sandman13 | debian7 |
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| 08:44.20 | wols | sandman13: yes |
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| 08:44.27 | wols | ,v grub-pc |
| 08:44.28 | judd | Package: grub-pc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; jessie: 2.00-22; sid: 2.02~beta2-8 |
| 08:45.11 | sandman13 | wols: does upgrading grub1.99 to grub2 causes issues? |
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| 08:45.40 | SynrG | that's not an upgrade |
| 08:46.04 | SynrG | sandman13: take a look at the grub2 package description: apt-cache show grub2 |
| 08:46.13 | sandman13 | wait |
| 08:46.30 | jeka | anybody can help me with route for ipsec ? |
| 08:46.33 | Twinkletoes | I use fail2ban for postfix and ssh, and it works well. I now would like to block IPs by country though. Is there any software to do that, in conjunction with iptables? |
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| 08:47.28 | SynrG | !anyone |
| 08:47.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 08:47.39 | sandman13 | SynrG: that means the version i am using is same as that of grub2 |
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| 08:47.49 | wols | sandman13: grub1.99 is grub2 |
| 08:48.01 | SynrG | sandman13: it means 'grub2' doesn't exist. it's merely a metapackage that depends on grub 1.99 |
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| 08:49.20 | SynrG | i.e read that as "grub-pc, formerly known as grub2" |
| 08:49.42 | sandman13 | wols: grub looks boring with blue background and white text is there a way to change that? |
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| 08:51.52 | jeka | 10.10.3.1 from server |
| 08:52.10 | sandman13 | SynrG: thanks |
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| 09:04.32 | wols | sandman13: stuff like http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/Grub2_theme_tutorial which was a single google away |
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| 09:13.31 | shomon_ | hi, is there a guide to tuning debian so php goes a bit faster? |
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| 09:25.54 | ftc- | it's not really a debian specific topic |
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| 09:26.14 | ftc- | better off just reading general guides on the subject |
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| 09:31.21 | petn-randall | shomon_: You can use mpm-prefork, use fastcgi, then several of the caching services that are compatible with PHP, etc. |
| 09:33.27 | ftc- | yeah caching is the main thing... if you use varnish you can prevent php being executed at all, mostly useful for non-session/login pages |
| 09:34.15 | ftc- | i'm about to build some sites that will serve everything from cdn and do all user-specific stuff using ajax calls |
| 09:34.52 | n3232323322 | happily, I'm on #debian. |
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| 09:37.06 | n3232323322 | ftc- : how long have you been using Debian? |
| 09:37.25 | ftc- | since about 1988 or so |
| 09:37.31 | ftc- | 1998 i mean |
| 09:37.32 | n3232323322 | what |
| 09:37.34 | n3232323322 | oh |
| 09:37.35 | n3232323322 | :D |
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| 09:41.27 | NiLon | 1988 would be hardcore :D |
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| 09:43.03 | ftc- | heh yep, especially seeing it started in 1993 |
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| 09:55.23 | SanchoPensa | hey there folks! |
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| 09:56.22 | SanchoPensa | i am trying to chose a locale for the calender in KDE but i can't puck anything there... do i have to install some sort of locale pack for the calender, in order to be able to pick any but us-american holidays...? |
| 09:56.38 | SanchoPensa | pick! :D |
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| 09:57.21 | jaami | hi, i am trying to boot debian live into recovery mode with alt+f2 but i got no recovery mode anywhere during boot. is it because i made live usb with yumi? |
| 09:57.53 | shomon_ | thanks for that reply before petn-randall and ftc |
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| 09:57.56 | shomon_ | :) |
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| 09:58.50 | jaami | i dont know how to boot into recovery mode while booting from a debain live usb. plz tell me how i can do that |
| 09:59.36 | jaami | i pressed alt f2 many time but could not stop actual live boot on recovery prompt |
| 10:01.21 | SanchoPensa | babilen: r u there m8? |
| 10:02.08 | jaami | sancho do you know how to boot into recovery mode? |
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| 10:02.37 | SanchoPensa | jaami: frankly spoken i don't even quite know what that is in debian... |
| 10:03.11 | SanchoPensa | jaami: what is it actually that you are trying to accomplish? |
| 10:03.34 | jaami | SanchoPensa, dont tell me if you do t want to but dont tell me lies |
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| 10:03.47 | SanchoPensa | ?!? |
| 10:04.12 | babilen | SanchoPensa: yes? |
| 10:04.14 | jaami | i think you know how to boot debian into recovery mode |
| 10:04.23 | SanchoPensa | jaami: describe you problem please, whats the recovery mode for? |
| 10:04.41 | SanchoPensa | babilen: hah! :) could you help me with a problem pls? |
| 10:05.08 | SanchoPensa | babilen: i would like to set a locale in kde's taskbar calender but i can't piuck anything there |
| 10:05.17 | SanchoPensa | do i need some locale pack for theat...? |
| 10:05.30 | babilen | SanchoPensa: No, I am busy with something else. I would appreciate it a lot if you wouldn't highlight me needlessly and you would also do me a favour if you were to use proper English when you are talking to me. |
| 10:05.44 | babilen | That being said: I also couldn't care less about KDE, so ... |
| 10:06.08 | SanchoPensa | babilen: wow... someone's i a good mood today, huh... |
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| 10:06.57 | wols | jaami: which debian medium did you use for your booting? |
| 10:06.58 | babilen | jaami: You just boot the live CD, you don't boot into recovery mode (that is installer specific). Once the live CD / USB is running you can setup the chroot (by mounting what is needed) and then chroot into your installation. |
| 10:07.56 | babilen | SanchoPensa: No, I just don't like being interrupted. Please be considerate with your highlights and it is considered to be rude/bad form to single out certain people in a channel. Ask your question and whoever is there (and willing to support users at that time) will answer. |
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| 10:09.46 | SanchoPensa | babilen: geez, man, as you could probably figured out from our last encounter, i am a noob to this community, and i don't know anybody else here yet, but you were a competent sourdce of information the other day, so wtf is the crime in naturally referring to you again when i am in need again? |
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| 10:10.19 | SanchoPensa | i mean sorry that i interrupted you with something, but where i come from ppls tend to not response when they are busy... ;) |
| 10:10.37 | babilen | SanchoPensa: Which is exactly why I told you that I am busy ;) |
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| 10:11.23 | babilen | Anyway, lets move on. Good luck with your problem (you might want to ask in a KDE channel too, see http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels) |
| 10:11.32 | SanchoPensa | yeah... whatever... then go on doing what you'r e supposed to do, and don't bother about me no more, dude! |
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| 10:12.01 | SanchoPensa | babilen: yeah, thanks, i found it meanwhile and i did ask... silent as a tomb... |
| 10:12.20 | SanchoPensa | but as said, don't bother... |
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| 10:13.37 | okdas | Hey, debi. :) Something strange happened to my server today. All binaries has been lost. For example, if I execute cp, I have response like "/usr/bin/cp not found", but if I wrote "/usr/bin/c" and press tab cp is exists. :O What may it be? |
| 10:14.11 | okdas | That happaned with ALL binaries, so ssh not working too :) |
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| 10:14.57 | wols | okdas: a library which all these binaries need is not there. without the lib, it won't work. what did you do to cause this problem? e.g. did you apt-get install something? |
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| 10:16.09 | jhw | okdas: show us the output of "echo $PATH" |
| 10:16.34 | jhw | ah, forget that |
| 10:16.34 | ChrisH | okdas: please paste on paste.debian.net: ls -ld / /usr/ /usr/bin/ /usr/bin/cp ; ldd /usr/bin/cp |
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| 10:16.58 | wols | ChrisH: let's hope ldd actually works :) |
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| 10:17.31 | okdas | wols: nope. :) apt-get didn't exist too. |
| 10:17.35 | ChrisH | wols: on my box: ldd /usr/bin/ldd showes not a dynamic executable |
| 10:17.59 | jeka | Big-Blue button? :) |
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| 10:21.39 | okdas | ChrisH jhw actually I already began reinstallation. But "ls" and "exho" doesn't exists too, i tried. :) |
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| 10:23.02 | ChrisH | okdas: that sounds like the fastest way |
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| 10:25.13 | Dudytz | hi all .. I have my custom patch in a debian package (gnucash), with custom preinst to divert a file of another package (a xml: /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_4217.xml) to add a new line ... this line is added after the dpkg-divert in the preinst via sed command ... this is a good approach or exist another "standard" way to do this? |
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| 10:34.47 | Big-Blue | jeka, what? ^^ |
| 10:35.07 | glycol | hi all, any ideas why "lspci | grep VGA" nor "xrandr --listproviders" doesn't list my haswell igp? |
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| 10:36.22 | musca | glycol: lspci | grep -i VGA |
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| 10:38.20 | glycol | musca: still not there, i can't find it even if i just do lspci and search for it manually |
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| 10:40.04 | musca | glycol: well. similar here, my hardware has intel vga, but the vendor does disable it in the bios. |
| 10:40.40 | glycol | wow... |
| 10:40.58 | wols | glycol: please pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" to a pastebin |
| 10:41.22 | wols | and for haswell IGPs you should use basically jessie, since wheezy doesn't have drivers new enough for it |
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| 10:41.42 | glycol | wols: im on jessie |
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| 10:41.51 | wols | then show us the output of the command please |
| 10:42.06 | wols | and tell us what mainboard you have |
| 10:42.19 | wols | and which CPU |
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| 10:43.05 | Dudytz | hi all .. I have my custom patch in a debian package (gnucash), with custom preinst to divert a file of another package (a xml: /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_4217.xml) to add a new line ... this line is added after the dpkg-divert in the preinst via sed command ... this is a good approach or exist another "standard" way to do this? |
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| 10:43.25 | glycol | gigabyte h87-tn, i5-5670, paste: http://pastebin.com/4u5iU8Uv |
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| 10:43.52 | glycol | (don't ask how i managed to put a 150W GPU in a 25W slot.. :D) |
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| 10:44.17 | glycol | i5-4670* |
| 10:44.31 | jaami | gparted shows my ext4 partition for debian that i want to recover and for that i gave command in terminal to mount the partition as mount /dev/sda1/mnt but got error can't find /dev/sda1/mnt in /etc/mtab. system is booted from debian live cd |
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| 10:45.01 | jaami | i am sorry, actually i am not recovering the partition but i am recovering grub2 |
| 10:45.09 | wols | glycol: must be a BIOS setting then |
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| 10:45.54 | wols | and how do you have a gtx660 in this mainboard with PCIe X4? |
| 10:46.19 | glycol | ;) |
| 10:46.21 | glycol | it fits. |
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| 10:47.33 | glycol | on a serious note, the connector on its right-end is open so a larger card can fit in, |
| 10:49.15 | glycol | last time i checked there is no bios settings for the igp but ill check again, brb |
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| 10:56.46 | sandman13 | when i execute update-grub i get this error: /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme.save: 17: /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme.save: q#: not found |
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| 10:58.30 | wols | so you edited the files badly and it errors. fix the errors you made |
| 10:59.05 | sandman13 | ah found it wrote 'q' before # |
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| 11:00.29 | sandman13 | "# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License" this is in the original 05_debian_theme and "q# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License" this on the .save |
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| 11:02.29 | sandman13 | done fixed it |
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| 11:06.42 | glycol | so there is no setting for the igp in the bios |
| 11:07.50 | wols | glycol: and /proc/cpuinfo shows a 4670, not a xeon e3-1230v3 or such? |
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| 11:08.40 | glycol | its a 4670 |
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| 11:09.37 | glycol | ill try plugging in a monitor into the mobo video outputs in a few mins |
| 11:10.05 | wols | do this and boot from it too for it to recognize it |
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| 11:12.23 | monkwitdafunk | which gui frontend is available in debian7.4.0 dvd1? gui frontend to netfilter |
| 11:13.12 | wols | !tell monkwitdafunk about cd content |
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| 11:14.27 | `ryban | back :) |
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| 11:19.14 | kombi | If it really can't be avoided, how/where to best install non-deb software? |
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| 11:21.52 | glycol | ...i only get video out from the mobo connectors if i remove the gpu |
| 11:22.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell kombi -about usrlocal |
| 11:22.11 | wols | kombi: /opt or /usr/local. there are things to help you with that like stow |
| 11:22.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell kombi -about stow |
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| 11:22.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell kombi -about stow usage |
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| 11:23.10 | kombi | babilen, wols: thank you! |
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| 11:26.14 | bragh | isn't the convention something like: if it can be installed from source, /usr/local. if it's closed source (vendor-based), then it's /opt |
| 11:26.22 | glycol | lspci now outputs intel corp. xeon e3-1200 v3/4th gen core processor integrated graphics controller |
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| 11:28.00 | ksk | hey guys. if i have some partitions on a disk already but still free space left, can i tell parteds "start" to just begin after the last setup partition? (i could probably say "18.6G" in that case - but is that accurate?) |
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| 11:31.08 | wols | ksk: you just create a partition. gparted will not create a partition where it would overwrite another one |
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| 11:32.36 | sedokun | ksk: you can resize created one (but you have to remove/move all partitions following the one You're resizing) |
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| 11:33.32 | ksk | so i just hit enter if it asks for "start"? |
| 11:33.49 | ksk | and it will put it right after the latest already setup partition? |
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| 11:42.24 | sedokun | ksk: 'start' promt requires input (in megabytes '1024' or in gigs '1GB'), you can view all patritions by 'p' command |
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| 11:43.17 | sedokun | ksk: as well as END input (haven't tried to bypass this settings) |
| 11:43.26 | ksk | sorry i dont get you. i start parted, select my disk. type in "mkpart" so it asks for start - my question is if i can specify this starting value as "just where the last partition ends" |
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| 11:43.54 | WormFood | what is the preferred input method (for typing "crazy" languages, like found in Asia) in wheezy? |
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| 11:44.39 | ksk | nevermind. i just used the gigabyte vales, seems to work.. |
| 11:44.50 | ksk | thanks for your time. |
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| 11:45.31 | sedokun | ksk: check this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-HperfrLk |
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| 11:46.12 | sedokun | ksk: 1:35 or so |
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| 11:49.46 | sedokun | WormFood: im not sure, but seems like there is no IME by default |
| 11:50.27 | sedokun | WormFood: some users recommend 'mozc' |
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| 11:50.41 | WormFood | I used to use scim in the past |
| 11:51.10 | WormFood | but there is something else preferred in squeeze, and I'm drawing a blank, can't remember the name of it. |
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| 11:55.54 | sedokun | WormFood: Anthy maybe |
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| 11:58.28 | WormFood | S-ed, anthy is for typing Japanese, it appears. I need to type Chinese. |
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| 12:04.08 | S-ed | WormFood: for chinese you need SCIM (Pinyin if required) |
| 12:04.14 | WormFood | fcitx |
| 12:04.23 | WormFood | that is what I was looking for |
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| 12:04.39 | WormFood | I use pinyin, but I also want it to be able to use wubi |
| 12:04.52 | WormFood | since that is what some of my Cantonese friends use |
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| 12:06.56 | WormFood | the other name I was looking for, was "ibus", which for some reason does not seem to work with firefox. |
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| 12:08.42 | S-ed | WormFood: yep seems like there some changes been made in ibus and it's not working with ff under some oses |
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| 12:09.37 | WormFood | yeah, I'm *not* installing ibus again. |
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| 12:10.00 | WormFood | geez, I've only been typing Chinese for a little over 6 years now, and already on my 3rd different ime |
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| 12:12.43 | e-yns | hi, i have an issue on debian 5, ssh works fine locally but not working remotly. its waiting not showing password prompt. how can i fix this ? |
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| 12:13.19 | oskie | this may seem noob, but at what load average is an 8 core server "fully utilized"? 8.0? |
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| 12:14.54 | CybDev | loadavg is a poor metric for judging utilization tbh |
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| 12:18.32 | oskie | CybDev: but there isn't really any other linux CPU metric. if you want cpu % you'd have to monitor every second, because the kernel does not collect % used by itself (but it does with load average) |
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| 12:22.56 | WormFood | did the xfce4 userbase grow a lot, when gnome 2 was dropped in favor of gnome 3? |
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| 12:24.47 | WormFood | it seems I'm missing some icon theme or something. I'm trying to configure fcitx, but I can't because every single button just has a little red x in it. What package do I need to install, to make my buttons work properly? |
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| 12:25.20 | S-ed | e-yns: r u using ssh $remote_user@$remote_host or keys? |
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| 12:26.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell S-ed about wud |
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| 12:27.40 | S-ed | haha, nice bot =) |
| 12:27.56 | e-yns | S-ed: its my debug values : debug2: we sent a keyboard-interactive packet, wait for reply |
| 12:28.23 | istok | I was a silly bugger and did a chmod 700 /var/www/* |
| 12:28.31 | e-yns | PasswordAuth disabled |
| 12:28.33 | istok | now my sites are borked |
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| 12:28.54 | istok | tried resetting everything, still no luck |
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| 12:29.07 | istok | gone from a 403/404 to 500 |
| 12:29.11 | nikomo | I think I complained about my rtl8188ce here earlier when someone asked about wifi adapters. I take it all back, it's my bloody router that's faulty |
| 12:29.35 | nikomo | A week of struggling with the drivers, and it's the router |
| 12:29.52 | WormFood | nikomo, I hate it when that happens |
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| 12:30.05 | vali | hy guys, I'm trying to install the latest kernel in debian wheezy. I added the backports into sources and trying to install 3.13.0 but it fails and complains about initramfs |
| 12:30.07 | vali | any ideas ? |
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| 12:30.35 | WormFood | did you install initramfs-tools? |
| 12:30.46 | wols | vali: pastebin the actual output |
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| 12:31.38 | vali | wols,WormFood -> http://nopaste.info/a6fc0ef603.html |
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| 12:33.22 | WormFood | you need to upgrade initramfs-tools package |
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| 12:33.50 | monkwitdafunk | can synaptic use the 7.4.0 dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3 for installing packages? |
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| 12:33.58 | atannus | Morning. I can't get Jessie to remember my screen layout. (nvidia drivers) |
| 12:34.00 | vali | WormFood how ? |
| 12:34.08 | WormFood | yeah, trying to do this type of thing, can cause this type of problem. You install program A, and it requires program B at a specific version, but you can't upgrade B, becaues C depends on that version...what to do? upgrade everything? |
| 12:34.19 | nikomo | yup, that version is from stable and not backports |
| 12:34.30 | wols | vali: same way you install the kernel from backports. the new initramfs-tools is in backports too |
| 12:34.37 | atannus | I'm sure I've properly written to xorg.conf, but it still does not boot to the correct layout. |
| 12:34.39 | wols | you can install them both in the same apt-get line |
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| 12:34.47 | WormFood | and hope nothing else requires a lower version of initramfs-tools |
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| 12:35.04 | WormFood | yeah, what wols said is right...that is probably the easiest way |
| 12:35.07 | wols | atannus: nvidia-settings can do it automatically IIRC |
| 12:35.13 | nikomo | out of curiosity, anyone else compile their own kernels? |
| 12:35.19 | WormFood | I do, sometimes |
| 12:35.35 | nikomo | Linux Iris 3.14.0-nikomo #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Mar 31 20:38:55 EEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:35.41 | WormFood | I used to compile my own kernel all the time, but I don't feel it is required anymore, with computers as fast as they are today |
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| 12:35.52 | OpenTokix | nikomo: in production, never; privatly, sometimes for shits and giggles |
| 12:35.58 | atannus | wols, tried through that too, and it does not work. |
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| 12:36.07 | WormFood | I think the last time I compiled my kernel from source, was to play around with some new feature they added to the newest kernel, a few years ago. |
| 12:36.08 | e-yns | S-ed: server log is : fatal ssh timeout before authentication |
| 12:36.18 | nikomo | I'm using Arch so I figured I might as well go full rice |
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| 12:36.23 | vali | ok |
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| 12:36.29 | atannus | wols, user, sudo, even copying xorg.xonf from nvidia-settings and writing it to xorg.conf.d manually. |
| 12:36.34 | vali | thank you for the help guys |
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| 12:38.35 | S-ed | e-yns: yep, in most cases latency is fatal but there should be something like 600 seconds so it's not the clue |
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| 12:39.02 | e-yns | S-ed: yes LoginGraceTime 600 |
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| 12:40.21 | S-ed | e-yns: is there something like "debug1: Trying private key" in log? |
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| 12:41.13 | e-yns | S-ed: problem solved thx for help. problem couses our hosts.deny,allow file |
| 12:41.24 | irgendwer4711 | hi, how to force apt-get to do upgrade and take maintainer config file? |
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| 12:41.28 | S-ed | e-yns: >_< |
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| 12:43.17 | themill | dpkg: tell irgendwer4711 about confnew |
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| 12:44.54 | sharmane | hello im need help sending files on my computer using blueman on xfce i cannot send or browse the files of my cellphone please help !!!! |
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| 12:51.00 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104899/make-apt-get-or-aptitude-run-with-y-but-not-prompt-for-replacement-of-configu |
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| 12:55.33 | S-ed | sharmane: make sure Device visibility and File Receiving (Object Push) are enabled |
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| 12:57.58 | sharmane | its enabled |
| 12:58.12 | sharmane | what i need to do? |
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| 12:58.54 | sharmane | S-ed what i need to do? |
| 12:59.04 | sharmane | its enabled? |
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| 13:03.33 | S-ed | sharmane: here http://askubuntu.com/questions/90619/browsing-files-via-bluetooth-doesnt-work |
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| 13:23.37 | congzhang | why fsck does not check my hard disk even unconditional power loss? that means the disk data is safe for used? |
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| 13:27.43 | nikomo | I'm fairly sure that the journalling in ext3 and 4, and newer filesystems means you don't have to check the entire filesystem after something like a power loss |
| 13:27.49 | nikomo | so yeah, it's safe |
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| 13:46.21 | irgendwer4711 | S-ed: It is recommeded to install blind? |
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| 13:48.48 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: dunno =/ but even with manual package selection it could be difficult to customize setup...anyways you'll need to 'edit' it later |
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| 13:49.28 | irgendwer4711 | hm okay, how to install an old debian for update testing? |
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| 13:51.59 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: You'll need an cd image |
| 13:52.13 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: http://ftp.riken.go.jp/pub/Linux/debian/debian-cdimage/archive/ |
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| 13:53.11 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: after minor install You can configure /etc/apt/sources.list for use old repo |
| 13:53.39 | irgendwer4711 | without security fixes? |
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| 13:55.44 | linedash | <S-ed> irgendwer4711: after minor install You can configure /etc/apt/sources.list for use old repo |
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| 13:55.52 | linedash | the key for the old repos is dead |
| 13:55.58 | linedash | I'm yet to figure out a way around that problem |
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| 13:56.36 | congzhang | nikomo: so the fsck by mount count option can be ignore? |
| 13:56.41 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: it'll be use only packages included in build...but if you need to install sec features you can configure repo to use new one and make update (im not sure about compatability) |
| 13:57.28 | S-ed | irgendwer4711: you can use Synaptic Package Manager to define those |
| 13:57.58 | angs | I use debian 7.3 and 3.13.1 kernel. when I plug a usb dongle , I get millions of such output "[ 7726.950000] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 12 using ci_hdrc". Any idea what could be the problem? |
| 13:58.33 | congzhang | nikomo: is there a refrenence? |
| 13:59.53 | irgendwer4711 | I try |
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| 14:03.10 | S-ed | angs: [ 7726.950000] - just a timestamp, if there is an error it may cycle mount procedure and increase *device number* infinitely |
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| 14:03.14 | ChrisH | angs: not enough power from the internal USB Hub? can you check with an powered USB Hub? |
| 14:03.19 | irgendwer4711 | linedash: which is the path for old repo |
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| 14:04.53 | S-ed | linedash: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:05.05 | linedash | S-ed, doesn't fix the problem |
| 14:05.17 | angs | ChrisH, I have been using it fine lately. I have just recompiled the kernel and build the debian, now it outputs that error |
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| 14:13.00 | S-ed | linedash: try to change gpg server and recieve keys |
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| 14:13.52 | linedash | S-ed, already tried all of that - best I can tell, it's simply not possible any more |
| 14:14.04 | linedash | plenty of people discussing how to get around the problem but nobody has found a working solution |
| 14:14.05 | ChrisH | angs: no line containing refused? |
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| 14:14.43 | S-ed | linedash: oh, ok...i haven't such problem...yet -_- |
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| 14:35.39 | WormFood | anyone know where my evolution configuration files are? I thought I had copied them over from my old installation, but it seems the new evolution didn't pick 'em up, so I'm assuming I didn't get it all. (I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy) |
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| 14:43.41 | kriskropd | i have debian installed on an old dell inspirion machine and for some reason the ethernet loses connectivity every once in awhile - how do i get the network interface to restart? I've tried 'sudo service networking restart' and ifconfig eth0 down and then up - but it still doesnt want to converse with the network it's wired to |
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| 14:45.02 | kriskropd | how strange, i plugged it in a different port in the linksys switch and it worked again ._. |
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| 14:45.20 | kriskropd | maybe i have a faulty switch, disregard my inquiry unless you feel like entertaining me about a step I'm un-aware of |
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| 14:51.48 | petn-randall | kriskropd: If it happens again, check with mii-tool or ethtool if you still have link-level connectivity. It could be a faulty switch, or a cable not certified for those link speeds (e.g. Cat5 cable and trying to use 1000BaseT). |
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| 14:52.06 | ment0s | hello |
| 14:52.34 | petn-randall | Hi ment0s. |
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| 14:53.31 | ment0s | im trying to add a policy to polkit but I cannot find a /etc/polkit-1/rules.d folder. there is only one available in /usr/share. Could some one tell me if this is by design or my fault ? im running a sid |
| 14:54.23 | kriskropd | petn-randall: it is a cat5 on a 100baseTx-FD - mii-tool says the link is okay |
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| 14:55.36 | petn-randall | ment0s: sid is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. See you there! |
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| 14:57.24 | ment0s | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 15:35.30 | andry | ,v php5 |
| 15:35.32 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; jessie: 5.5.9+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.10+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~alpha3+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:41.38 | antithesis | I've disabled my DM and I use startx to start X. However, anyone can switch to tty1 now and press <C-c> to kill the session. What can I do about this? |
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| 15:41.47 | andry | ,v linus |
| 15:41.48 | judd | No package named 'linus' was found in i386. |
| 15:41.49 | andry | ,v linux |
| 15:41.50 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in i386. |
| 15:41.54 | andry | ,v linux-image |
| 15:41.55 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 15:41.57 | andry | ... |
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| 15:42.14 | LtL | andry: would you mind using /msg judd for this |
| 15:42.22 | andry | no problem |
| 15:42.30 | LtL | thanks :) |
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| 15:43.15 | tekkbuzz | antithesis: would adding & disown to startx help you? |
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| 15:44.57 | antithesis | tekkbuzz: not really satisfactory. They could still just do pkill X in that terminal |
| 15:45.32 | antithesis | In Arch if I started X inside tty1 |
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| 15:45.37 | tekkbuzz | antithesis: you could do that in any terminal anyways. |
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| 15:45.42 | antithesis | It would load the X server inside tty1 |
| 15:46.15 | antithesis | Though I don't know how it achieves that. Does anyone know how I can do that? |
| 15:46.16 | tekkbuzz | antithesis: no it wouldn't that's why disown detaches it. |
| 15:46.28 | antithesis | tekkbuzz: that's why I use slock |
| 15:47.12 | antithesis | But pkill X would destroy it even if it's detached |
| 15:47.44 | tekkbuzz | antithesis: it would if you used a dm too. |
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| 15:52.00 | petn-randall | antithesis: Why don't you just use a display manager? It fixes all the problems you mentioned. |
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| 15:53.05 | tekkbuzz | petn-randall: he said above he disabled his display manager. |
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| 15:54.12 | petn-randall | tekkbuzz: I read that, I just don't see what would warrant that. |
| 15:54.24 | tekkbuzz | ahh, okay |
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| 15:56.17 | tekkbuzz | speaking of display managers, does anyone know how to log into a display manager over a remote connection using ssh? |
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| 15:57.50 | tekkbuzz | If I reboot a machine I can't relog that person back into their own display. |
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| 15:58.08 | antithesis | kthx adding && logout fixes it |
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| 15:59.19 | petn-randall | antithesis: Not if the X crashes. |
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| 15:59.27 | petn-randall | antithesis: Or returns anything else than 0. |
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| 16:00.38 | jason_ | hey folks, im trying to install mysql-workbench on debian but it doesn't want to install for some reason |
| 16:00.42 | jason_ | anyone else had an issue with this? |
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| 16:00.55 | duper | tekkbuzz: i would imagine that you would be prevented from doing that if you didn't reboot, but just restarted the X server. |
| 16:01.08 | duper | jason_: error? |
| 16:01.14 | somiaj | jason_: and this 'some reason' is, what errors are you getting when you try to install the package? |
| 16:01.18 | Nik05 | jason_ gods dont exist so please give us more info |
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| 16:02.13 | antithesis | petn-randall: yeah, but it usually doesn't |
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| 16:04.44 | tekkbuzz | duper: thanks, I'll try that next time, I have the need. |
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| 16:06.19 | tekkbuzz | I would still like to log in a user to the dm after a reboot though. |
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| 16:07.22 | kalhartt | is there a trick to installing multiarch -dev packages? ex. I need libsdl1.2-dev:amd64 and :i386 but they conflict because of included header files and docs |
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| 16:08.56 | jelly | kalhartt: many -dev packages are not multiarch ready. Best to use separate chroots to build stuff |
| 16:09.41 | repxl | please can anyone help me i have setup my msmtp-mta on my public server the same way i did on local on local it works and public it didn't i have a feeling its because of user groups ... :/ i dont know what to do now |
| 16:09.44 | kalhartt | mm thanks jelly |
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| 16:10.06 | somiaj | kalhartt: there is a package called pbuilder that automates the creating a chroot to build a package in. |
| 16:11.05 | kalhartt | somiaj: oh? I've heard of cowbuilder and pbuilder but wanted to try multiarching first |
| 16:11.21 | kalhartt | I'll try this |
| 16:12.13 | petn-randall | kalhartt: pbuilder or it's siblings are the preferred way to build things, since this makes sure you have a clean build environment. |
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| 16:12.33 | repxl | msmtp: server message: 534 5.7.14 54 gz1sm34022052wib.14 - gsmtp msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /etc/msmtprc) |
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| 16:13.30 | irgendwer4711 | another question, wil be every securitiy upgrade non-interactive? I mean, no question about to overwrite a config file ...? |
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| 16:14.20 | somiaj | kalhartt: I belive multiarch needs to mature a bit more and still may not allow this with multiple header files. If you have multiple headers I don't think there is a clear way to know which ones you want during the build so it is just best to use a clean build enviorment that only has the tools for the arch you want. |
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| 16:16.03 | jhutchins_wk | irgendwer4711: Debian does intelligent handling of config files. It will generally not overwrite a config file that has been modified. |
| 16:16.31 | irgendwer4711 | jhutchins_wk: but ask for it? |
| 16:16.43 | jhutchins_wk | irgendwer4711: Not in most cases. |
| 16:16.49 | daemonkeeper | Generally is an understatement. |
| 16:16.52 | daemonkeeper | It never does. |
| 16:17.15 | irgendwer4711 | daemonkeeper: does not what? |
| 16:17.31 | daemonkeeper | Overwrite conffiles (unless you use --force) |
| 16:17.38 | jhutchins_wk | irgendwer4711: I know of no cases where it will overwrite. |
| 16:17.42 | kalhartt | somiaj: that makes sense, I'll go the pbuilder route. I wonder how multiarch will resolve this |
| 16:17.44 | irgendwer4711 | but asked for overwrite or keep own version |
| 16:17.54 | kalhartt | maybe share header files and only conflict if checksums differ? |
| 16:17.54 | jhutchins_wk | irgendwer4711: No, it doesn't ask. |
| 16:18.00 | daemonkeeper | That's not dpkg, that's ucf. |
| 16:18.11 | daemonkeeper | Which are technically not conffiles. |
| 16:18.13 | irgendwer4711 | jhutchins_wk: but I saw a lo of dialogs |
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| 16:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | irgendwer4711: When you did what? |
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| 16:20.17 | irgendwer4711 | jhutchins_wk: apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:22.27 | daemonkeeper | You both confuse two things here, configuration files and conffiles. Latter is a special type of file handles by dpkg which is never overwritten or restored unless you force dpkg to do. That being said, not every configuration file is a conffile. Some of them are modified by postinst scripts, in which case a policy compliant behavior is achieved by using ucf. That one may prompt and offer a 3-way-merge amongst other options. |
| 16:23.39 | stew | unmodified conffiles will be upgraded by dpkg though |
| 16:23.45 | irgendwer4711 | daemonkeeper: I mean the prompt one |
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| 16:24.23 | irgendwer4711 | are every securirty upgrades (not bugfices) promptless? |
| 16:24.45 | daemonkeeper | irgendwer4711: man ucf.conf. |
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| 16:28.10 | irgendwer4711 | do not answered my question |
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| 16:30.45 | irgendwer4711 | somebody told, security upgrade wouldnt ask for interaction |
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| 16:36.03 | somiaj | irgendwer4711: well apt will prompt you if you want to actully install that, but you can override that with a '-y' in teh command. For the most part it shouldn't be asking you config questions during the upgrade, but I'm unsure if there are any exceptions to this. |
| 16:37.03 | irgendwer4711 | somiaj: -y only overwrites apt-get question for starting install. |
| 16:37.56 | irgendwer4711 | somiaj: apache2 and mysql upgrades ask very often |
| 16:38.21 | daemonkeeper | apache for sure never asks. |
| 16:39.04 | somiaj | irgendwer4711: http://serverfault.com/questions/48724/100-non-interactive-debian-dist-upgrade -- that may help you. |
| 16:39.07 | irgendwer4711 | daemonkeeper: I mean phpmyadmin package |
| 16:39.12 | daemonkeeper | That may be. |
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| 16:39.55 | irgendwer4711 | somiaj: I know noninteractive upgrades. but there are cases that would kill the maschine. wg forcing overwrite config files |
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| 16:40.40 | somiaj | well according to the self claimed debian dev packages that do that have a release critical bug. |
| 16:41.19 | irgendwer4711 | what do you mean? |
| 16:42.12 | somiaj | security updates should not be changing config files as they should be the same version using the same config file. |
| 16:42.27 | somiaj | (well same version + security patch of course) |
| 16:42.42 | irgendwer4711 | where did you find this info? |
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| 16:48.18 | duper | irgendwer4711: overwriting a config file would do nothing unless a process restarts or the hangup signal (SIGHUP) goes out. |
| 16:48.18 | irgendwer4711 | somiaj: which has a critical bug? |
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| 16:48.31 | irgendwer4711 | I know |
| 16:48.41 | duper | k:) |
| 16:48.47 | irgendwer4711 | but dpkg sometimes reloads |
| 16:48.57 | somiaj | irgendwer4711: you are running debian stable correct? |
| 16:49.18 | waqstar | How can I check when a bash script was last executed? |
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| 16:49.32 | irgendwer4711 | stable |
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| 16:49.49 | duper | well in that case the developer should script a fallback case into the package if the config file breaks something |
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| 16:50.00 | duper | err.. new config file |
| 16:50.14 | irgendwer4711 | dpkg asks for action |
| 16:50.14 | dpkg | irgendwer4711: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:50.42 | duper | dpkg -h |
| 16:50.43 | dpkg | duper: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 16:53.58 | somiaj | irgendwer4711: are you sing any wheezy-backports or third party repos on your system? |
| 16:54.07 | irgendwer4711 | no |
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| 16:54.32 | somiaj | well security updates should not be changing the config file. |
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| 16:55.19 | irgendwer4711 | or asking for it? |
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| 16:57.50 | duper | somiaj: what if the security vulnerbility is due to deployment misconfiguration? |
| 16:58.22 | duper | issackelly: how do u like irccloud? |
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| 16:58.45 | issackelly | duper: It works really well for me, though I figure I'll eventually move to self-hosted + subway |
| 16:58.50 | child | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.06 | duper | issackelly: subway? |
| 16:59.19 | issackelly | subway is a web based client |
| 16:59.32 | issackelly | https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway |
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| 16:59.52 | duper | JavaScript BNC.. interesting.. |
| 16:59.54 | issackelly | duper: I'll probably setup znc + subway on my server, I'm slowly...very slowly moving off of cloud services |
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| 17:00.31 | issackelly | but it's perfect for me because my job is multi-location, so paying somebody else for the bouncer right now works |
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| 17:00.41 | duper | i'm using irssi still.. is the only client i know of that doesn't crash from ircfuzz.c |
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| 17:01.38 | issackelly | I've got a question about routing in debian. I detailed it here but they decided I wan't a professional (maybe the raspberry pi) http://serverfault.com/questions/585725/routing-all-internet-traffic-to-one-interface-in-debain Basically I think I need to force all DNS through one interface |
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| 17:03.13 | issackelly | I've got a local network over lan and a wifi network that connects to a LTE connection at a remote location. |
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| 17:03.53 | issackelly | sometimes DNS starts getting routed to the local gateway, usually after several hours of good operation |
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| 17:14.19 | Guest75380 | Is there a debian repo for hp printer? |
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| 17:15.15 | GNU\colossus | Guest75380, what are you missing? |
| 17:15.54 | Guest75380 | hp printer drivers |
| 17:15.58 | Guest75380 | repo? debian? |
| 17:17.40 | mtn | Guest75380: did you install hplip from the debian repos? |
| 17:18.07 | Guest75380 | mtn mhh no i downloaded it external |
| 17:18.25 | Guest75380 | but if theres a repo than u will go with that :D |
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| 17:18.27 | mtn | Guest75380: that has the hp printer drivers and is in the debian repos |
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| 17:19.20 | Guest75380 | lol it says its already to the newest version |
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| 17:20.22 | Guest75380 | ok got it |
| 17:20.28 | dizzylizzy | is there a better way to do this? "for file in *.wav; do opusenc $file $(basename -s wav $file)opus; done" or is that exactly the way to do it |
| 17:20.33 | dizzylizzy | the whole basename thing |
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| 17:21.11 | AJ_Z0 | Is there a better simple CPU+memory+disk performance benchmaking tool than sysbench? I'm only looking for some simple number to compare before and after my Debian 7 VM moves from one platform to another. There is no application on it. |
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| 17:23.31 | AJ_Z0 | dizzylizzy: If opusenc doesn't handle file names and extensions, then that way looks as good as any |
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| 17:25.43 | dizzylizzy | AJ_Z0: all right |
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| 17:25.57 | dizzylizzy | maybe I should try to submit a patch so that it totally does support it like oggenc does, oggenc *.flac |
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| 17:46.33 | techhnyne | im a 1st time linux user can someone help me with why myphpadmin is not working |
| 17:46.55 | techhnyne | i followed this guide and everything works up to step 7 http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-apache2-with-php5-and-mysql-support-on-debian-wheezy |
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| 17:49.18 | dbb0 | would it be a terrible idea to symlink /tmp to another partition? |
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| 17:51.42 | S-ed | dbb0: nope, its ok |
| 17:52.02 | S-ed | dbb0: just modify fstab |
| 17:52.17 | jelly-home | dbb0: it's probably a bit nicer to use a bind-mount or a proper mountpoint |
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| 17:53.01 | dbb0 | i mean symlink it to a dir on an existing partition |
| 17:53.22 | dbb0 | like `rm -rf /tmp; ln -s /home/tmp /tmp` or so |
| 17:53.30 | dizzylizzy | Oh my gosh I love the shell so much... just deleted ten folders called 01, 02, 03, etc, by typing "rmdir ??" |
| 17:53.39 | jelly-home | dbb0: that won't fare well if there are services running |
| 17:54.21 | dbb0 | jelly-home: which services might be actively rw in /tmp that i should stop? |
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| 17:54.34 | jelly-home | dbb0: lsof -n |grep /tmp |
| 17:54.49 | jelly-home | dbb0: to be safe, just go to single-user mode |
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| 17:55.11 | dbb0 | or maybe do it from a liveOS? |
| 17:55.29 | jelly-home | dbb0: I have no idea what's going to break if /home is a separate mountpoint that doesn't get mounted early on |
| 17:55.38 | dbb0 | i have to boot knoppix to repart my drive anyway |
| 17:56.05 | jelly-home | dbb0: consider using tmpfs for /tmp instead if you have enough RAM |
| 17:56.15 | dbb0 | hmm. maybe i should just give tmp its own part then |
| 17:56.28 | jelly-home | that's a good idea as well |
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| 17:56.36 | imdea | Hi one question, I've a user "roberto" in my machine and want that it be able to do "sudo su - fyf" and execute commands as that user without entering a password, I have edited as root the /etc/sudoers file using visudo and added this: http://paste.debian.net/91019/ but if I'm root and switch to this user as: sudo su - roberto and then do sudo su - fyf it asks me for a password, any ideas? |
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| 17:57.09 | jelly-home | dbb0: except it's saner to use LVM instead of partitions which can't be resized easily |
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| 17:57.15 | dbb0 | i'm somewhat concerned about burning dvds, but i think most apps will let you choose a dir for tmp storage |
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| 18:00.20 | pentiumone133 | hey everyone, i did a physical to virtual migration of a debian machine i have, but it wont boot up as a VM. ive booted to rescue mode and managed to mount the root filesystem and reinstall grub hoping that would fix it but it hasnt. does debian have a way to do a kind of repair install or something? |
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| 18:00.55 | dbb0 | jelly-home: is it still ill-advised to put root in lvm? |
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| 18:02.58 | jelly-home | dbb0: it _usually_ worrks, but the conservative approach is to have a separate partition for /boot only, and a huge one (or a second disk) for LVM |
| 18:03.01 | dizzylizzy | root's fine in lvm but /boot can't be, that's all |
| 18:03.17 | jelly-home | even /boot can be with grub2 |
| 18:03.34 | jelly-home | other boot loaders will have a problem with that tho |
| 18:03.36 | SynrG | dizzylizzy: nice. overkill for your case, i'm sure, but i offer the more accurate: find . -maxdepth 1 -regex '\./[0-9][0-9]' -exec rmdir \{\} \; |
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| 18:04.21 | dizzylizzy | \{\} looks weird to me, i've always just used '{}; |
| 18:04.24 | stew | in zsh: rmdir <00-99>*/ |
| 18:04.26 | dizzylizzy | whoops, I mean '{}' |
| 18:04.34 | SynrG | yes, well, that too :) |
| 18:04.41 | SynrG | zsh is for the weak :) |
| 18:04.48 | dizzylizzy | i keep meaning to try zsh... it's bash compatible right? |
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| 18:05.21 | SynrG | the pain means you're learning! |
| 18:05.25 | SynrG | ;) |
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| 18:05.59 | SynrG | stew: but seriously, that's cool. i should do zsh |
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| 18:06.04 | stew | zsh and bash are both sh compatible and they both have lots of stuff in common on top and both have lots of stuff that the other doesn't. if you are used to bash or zsh you can switch to the other without being totally lost or even noticing right away |
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| 18:07.12 | SynrG | gnu find has a truckload of -regextype, too. one of those has got to support [0-9]{2} ... |
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| 18:07.27 | SynrG | that's when i got bored and just pasted my solution :) |
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| 18:09.12 | dbb0 | jelly-home: what about creating a root partition and keeping boot there, then putting usr, var, tmp, and home in lvm? |
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| 18:09.36 | jelly-home | dbb0: how large is your disk usage total? |
| 18:10.19 | dbb0 | http://paste.debian.net/91028/ |
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| 18:10.42 | dbb0 | BUT right now half the disk is windows |
| 18:10.44 | jelly-home | dbb0: so why would you separate /var and /usr? |
| 18:11.03 | jelly-home | dbb0: what's wrong with currect setup? |
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| 18:11.17 | dbb0 | correct setup? |
| 18:11.19 | jelly-home | it's sane enough, / and /home |
| 18:11.24 | jelly-home | current* |
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| 18:12.11 | jelly-home | dbb0: if this is a workstation or similar single-user machine, this is good enough |
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| 18:13.00 | jelly-home | sure / might grow to need more than 15GB in time, but that might take years |
| 18:13.31 | jelly-home | don't slice it to bits without good reason |
| 18:13.58 | dbb0 | i install a lot of games, that's why i want /usr separate |
| 18:14.25 | dbb0 | i had to make /usr/games a symlink to /home/games once because I ran out of space |
| 18:14.51 | dbb0 | not that concerned about var |
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| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | just use lvm and grow / if needed |
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| 18:15.45 | dbb0 | jelly-home: you mean make a boot part then put / and /home in the lvm? |
| 18:15.55 | dbb0 | i plan on using grub2 exclusively |
| 18:15.57 | jelly-home | was not aware that many large games were actually packaged to eat up tens of GB |
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| 18:16.04 | jelly-home | dbb0: yes |
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| 18:16.27 | jelly-home | /boot separately, swap and / and /home as LVs |
| 18:17.09 | Shro | I'm running debian on a low spec modern laptop. After a hard drive fail, I am using a usb flash drive to hold everything. Some performance issues, mostly do do with the journaling for ext4. Any suggestions to speed up a flash disk install? |
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| 18:18.00 | dbb0 | jelly-home: can you set up lvm with gparted? or anything else included with knoppix |
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| 18:18.34 | jelly-home | dbb0: I have no idea. gparted used to be buggy back when I used it. |
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| 18:19.48 | dbb0 | i guess i can go ahead and make the partitions with it then set up the lvm by hand |
| 18:20.17 | jelly-home | nod |
| 18:20.47 | jelly-home | what did you use to backup the current filesystem? |
| 18:21.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | It's jelly-home !!! |
| 18:21.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | howdy! |
| 18:21.42 | jelly-home | It is I, LeClerc |
| 18:22.03 | Shro | anyone here boot from a usb stick? (hopeful) |
| 18:22.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 18:22.09 | dbb0 | i made a tar of my home (with the -p flag) and copied it to a usb drive and also another computer |
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| 18:22.32 | dbb0 | i don't care about anything else because this is a recent install |
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| 18:23.29 | dbb0 | i've done virtually no configuration whatsoever. i just regretted not wiping windows since i never use it and have it on the other computer |
| 18:23.30 | techhnyne | im using sshuttle how to i kill all the sshuttle pcids |
| 18:24.00 | dbb0 | techhnyne: ps -e | grep sshuttle |
| 18:24.28 | dbb0 | techhnyne: kill PID |
| 18:24.48 | dbb0 | techhnyne: or perhaps, killall sshuttle |
| 18:25.06 | techhnyne | says no preccess found |
| 18:25.13 | techhnyne | though its still running |
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| 18:26.38 | dbb0 | techhnyne: sometimes a program will show up as "python" or so if it's run through an interpreter, but don't go killing random processes |
| 18:26.51 | dbb0 | paste your output of ps -e |
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| 18:27.22 | techhnyne | ps -e | grep sshuttle did not return anything |
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| 18:27.54 | dbb0 | techhnyne: just paste the output of "ps -e" |
| 18:28.04 | dbb0 | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:28.29 | dbb0 | sshuttle appears to be a python program so that's probably what it is. |
| 18:28.42 | techhnyne | http://paste.debian.net/91034/ |
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| 18:29.25 | techhnyne | im just learning ii installed debian-mint yesterday my 1st linux box |
| 18:30.22 | dbb0 | what other python programs are you running? |
| 18:30.46 | dbb0 | and how did you launch sshuttle? |
| 18:31.16 | dbb0 | my guess is that it's either 10489 or 10490 |
| 18:31.27 | dbb0 | i'd recommend filing an issue on github |
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| 18:32.34 | techhnyne | 1sec |
| 18:33.02 | techhnyne | sshuttle -Hr user@web.com:22 0/0 |
| 18:33.06 | techhnyne | was my command |
| 18:33.12 | dbb0 | 10491 is the ssh process so that's got to be it |
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| 18:33.37 | dbb0 | 10489 10490 10491 |
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| 18:33.59 | techhnyne | ok lemme try |
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| 18:37.30 | techhnyne | got it thankx |
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| 18:39.27 | dbb0 | here goes nothing |
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| 18:48.18 | A|an | Is there a way to use du to identify the largest installed software? |
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| 18:48.35 | A|an | (my / is at 0% space) |
| 18:48.49 | A|an | (something's gotta go) |
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| 18:49.04 | centrx | A|an, du |sort -g |
| 18:49.05 | dondelelcaro | Alula: dpigs will do it, for one. |
| 18:49.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell Alula -about sort by size |
| 18:50.01 | dondelelcaro | Alula: or you can use that aptitude command line |
| 18:50.28 | A|an | Is it possible for /tmp to turn malignant, and get bizarrely huge? |
| 18:50.28 | centrx | A|an, ^ |
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| 18:50.42 | A|an | thanks |
| 18:50.49 | dondelelcaro | Alula: sorry; meant that for A|an. |
| 18:51.17 | dondelelcaro | A|an: pretty much anything can create files in /tmp, so yes. |
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| 18:51.37 | A|an | are they not flushed periodically? |
| 18:51.45 | dondelelcaro | A|an: when you reboot, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 18:51.59 | A|an | okay |
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| 18:53.47 | A|an | how to you get du |sort -g to display a page at a time? du |sort -g | less doesn't seem to work |
| 18:54.29 | cheetah2 | anyone know why changing resolv.conf isnt changing my dns? need parental control for my kids. |
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| 18:54.59 | mekon | A|an: working for me |
| 18:55.19 | mekon | du | sort -g | less |
| 18:55.27 | A|an | hmm...okay |
| 18:56.13 | A|an | the screen went black...i've really let my system get away from me, maintenance-wise |
| 18:56.35 | mekon | A|an: i have debian 8 |
| 18:56.42 | cheetah2 | i put the file static but it doesnt seem to work |
| 18:56.47 | centrx | A|an, Just delete something quick |
| 18:56.57 | centrx | A|an, like delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:57.00 | A|an | what's that? wheezy's 7, isn't it? |
| 18:57.26 | A|an | centrx: okay (great idea) |
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| 18:57.30 | centrx | Debian 8/testing/jessie is a development distribution |
| 18:57.30 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 18:57.34 | mekon | A|an: debian 8 is much better |
| 18:57.37 | A|an | oh, yeah |
| 18:57.47 | A|an | really? is it stable, seeming? |
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| 18:58.17 | mekon | A|an: more stable then ubuntu |
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| 18:59.49 | Aeiri | PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
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| 18:59.58 | Aeiri | yet firefox is playing youtube videos just fine |
| 19:00.09 | Aeiri | mplayer/mpv/vlc/mpg123 cant play mp3s |
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| 19:00.37 | Rug | I have a question about VLAN's and Debian. I need to assign 20 different IP's & MAC addys to a NIC. Does each VLAN need to be unique? |
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| 19:02.28 | Rug | In SELinux it looks like: eth1:1 eth1:2 ...etc.. But the wiki says to use VLAN1, VLAN2, in /etc/networking/interfaces... I need them all to be in the same subnet, so they need to be able to 'see' each other. That implies to me that they should all be VLAN1 |
| 19:02.31 | mekon | Aeiri: meybe you should add user to group audio |
| 19:02.38 | A|an | "the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives" no wonder! |
| 19:02.58 | mekon | Aeiri: usermod -a -G audio,video username |
| 19:03.00 | Aeiri | mekon: im a member of audio, pulse, and pulse-access... i might also point out that i closed alsamixer and tried to reopen it and it is hanging as well |
| 19:03.08 | Aeiri | i wonder if it was a pulse upgrade that went bad |
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| 19:03.25 | Rug | but pulseaudio is all bad! |
| 19:03.27 | Rug | =) |
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| 19:04.15 | Aeiri | pulseaudio is the absolute best audio server ive ever used.... that being said it still sucks donkey balls |
| 19:04.50 | A|an | centrx: doing that bought some space...thanks for the tip |
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| 19:05.31 | A|an | I'm just on the cusp of building another system anyway |
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| 19:08.55 | jhutchins_wk | A|an: If you partitioned, take careful note of where the space got used up, and consider 1 partition + swap. |
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| 19:10.54 | A|an | I have two partitions: / and /home...and I set / to 15 GB...or 20...I just remember thinking, That's plenty! Evidently, not |
| 19:11.26 | jhutchins_wk | A|an: Partitioning means you will run out of space on one filesystem while there is still plenty of space on another. |
| 19:11.32 | centrx | A|an, What was taking up the space |
| 19:11.36 | jhutchins_wk | A|an: It's a coralary of Murphy's Law. |
| 19:11.43 | xico | hi. i cannot remember the name of this website having a lot of .deb binaries from the debian repositories. any idea? (i am looking for something not anymore in /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 19:12.18 | jhutchins_wk | xico: Why not get them from the debian repositories? |
| 19:12.53 | A|an | In my new system I'm installing a Crucial M500 SSD and use two 2TB western digitals as storage |
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| 19:13.05 | mekon | xingu: apt-cache search |
| 19:13.25 | A|an | this is the mobo i have my eye on: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132028 |
| 19:13.33 | A|an | mini-ITX |
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| 19:14.17 | A|an | I'm trying to pick out a haswell cpu, now |
| 19:15.10 | A|an | i'm more into using a computer instead of building them, so...the process is tedious-maximus |
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| 19:16.25 | A|an | gtg, take care...and thanks! |
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| 19:21.57 | jhutchins_wk | A|an: I tend to get refurbs from MicroCenter. |
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| 19:26.52 | techhnyne | how can i reinstall/configure mysql cause i forgot to write down the pass i used |
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| 19:28.10 | krystian442 | hello |
| 19:28.23 | nkuttler | techhnyne: try https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 19:29.10 | techhnyne | ty |
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| 19:30.45 | krystian442 | i've just installed debian 7, I've got wifi card ralin rt3060 i've downloaded rt2800pci.deb and installed drivers and reboot machine. now I can see wifi networks from my area, but when I try to connect to ecrypted network (WPA2) and i've pass good password my gdm3 wireless network aut can not connect to network, what should I do? |
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| 19:36.29 | Rug | krystian442: I've had issues where some programs can't connect correctly. (a) try a different program like wicd or (b) try from the command line |
| 19:36.32 | LtL | krystian442: this may help, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wpasupplicant |
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| 19:38.20 | ixela | are there any more indepth guides to partman preseeds than whats given in the debian-installer source? |
| 19:39.02 | ixela | I find that its more confusing than it is explanatory |
| 19:40.19 | techhnyne | anyone can help i need to restart mysql wit these flags /etc/init.d/mysqld start |
| 19:40.20 | techhnyne | oops |
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| 19:40.30 | techhnyne | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.38 | techhnyne | i add that at the end? |
| 19:40.47 | ixela | no, it most likely won't care |
| 19:40.54 | techhnyne | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.55 | ixela | you'll need to modify /etc/init.d/mysqld directly |
| 19:41.20 | ixela | or maybe through an environment variable |
| 19:41.44 | techhnyne | im trying to change forgotten root pw |
| 19:42.02 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: This is presumably a one-time thing to hack the root pasword. Just run mysqld directly instead of using the init script. |
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| 19:42.07 | ixela | then just run mysqld directly |
| 19:42.15 | ixela | what jhutchins_wk said |
| 19:42.24 | techhnyne | im sorry i just installed linux today im so noob |
| 19:42.25 | jhutchins_wk | what ixela said |
| 19:42.53 | techhnyne | how do i do that though |
| 19:43.00 | LtL | techhnyne: sudo passwd root (provided you have sudo rights) |
| 19:43.10 | mekon | techhnyne: u can try command mysql_secure_installation |
| 19:43.21 | mekon | it can ask for changing password |
| 19:43.22 | techhnyne | i have sudo rights |
| 19:43.22 | somiaj | LtL: that won't change the root MySQL password though. |
| 19:43.23 | S-ed | is that possible to clean up debian to make it machine 'targeted'? |
| 19:43.39 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: WHat guide are you following? |
| 19:43.47 | LtL | somiaj: oh my mistake, thought they meant system pass |
| 19:43.50 | techhnyne | https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 19:43.57 | kunwon1 | snardbafulators is a spammer, pasting links to underage porn |
| 19:44.42 | jhutchins_wk | This one's pretty explicit: http://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password |
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| 19:45.33 | ixela | S-ed: what do you mean targeted |
| 19:45.34 | somiaj | kunwon1: it is not on topic to discuss that here. Can you send me a /msg. |
| 19:45.47 | techhnyne | great thanks |
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| 19:46.01 | kunwon1 | somiaj: there's no discussion, i just wanted to make people aware. and no. |
| 19:46.42 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: Although under the Linux section, step 5 says to read the file you created with mysqld-safe, which also works. |
| 19:46.59 | S-ed | ixela: eg clan all unnecessary drivers (actually on install stage you can choose 'generic' or 'targeted' setup) |
| 19:47.07 | S-ed | *clean |
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| 19:48.36 | cybrNaut | alt-tab no longer cycles all windows.. just all programs. is there a way to cycle through the windows within a program (without using alt-tab-down)? |
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| 19:49.07 | techhnyne | ok i have problem |
| 19:49.09 | jhutchins_wk | cybrNaut: Often Ctrl-PageUp |
| 19:49.44 | techhnyne | not sure i did it right |
| 19:50.10 | techhnyne | mysql> update user set Password=SQLp@5sd('new-password') where user='root'; |
| 19:50.11 | techhnyne | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '@55w0rd('new-password') where user='root'' at line 1 |
| 19:50.11 | techhnyne | mysql> flush privileges; |
| 19:50.11 | techhnyne | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
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| 19:50.17 | cybrNaut | jhutchins_wk: that's app-specific it seems, and i think only when you have /tabs/ within a single window |
| 19:50.25 | cybrNaut | yikes |
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| 19:50.44 | techhnyne | wtf this gay chat kicks for 3 line flood |
| 19:50.45 | cybrNaut | techhnyne: you need to learn about pastebin |
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| 19:51.01 | techhnyne | it was only 3 lines |
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| 19:51.35 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: The problem is that PASSWORD is a function that encodes the plain text you supply in the parentheses. |
| 19:52.20 | babilen | techhnyne: Seriosuly, that is no way to complain about it and you really shoouldn't paste into any channel like that but use a pastebin. Please refrain from insulting and belittling comments like that and do not discriminate people based on their sexual orientation, gender or so. |
| 19:52.43 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: so update user set password=PASSWORD('SQLp@5sd') where user='root'; |
| 19:53.09 | jhutchins_wk | techhnyne: Case sensitive for the field you are updating, sorry, that is Password. |
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| 19:53.28 | jhutchins_wk | Password=PASSWORD('foo') |
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| 19:55.02 | crumb | hey |
| 19:55.13 | crumb | i removed upstart and installed sysvinit |
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| 19:55.23 | crumb | but after i installed sysvinit i got.. .init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl |
| 19:55.31 | S-ed | omg -_- just installed one more debian and put 'Minion' as machine name and forgot about it...boot propmt - "Minion login: _" |
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| 19:56.15 | crumb | i keep getting.. .init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl .init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl .init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl |
| 19:56.18 | jhutchins_wk | crumb: Can we assume that this was NOT on stable? |
| 19:56.30 | MrNutz | Hi there |
| 19:56.34 | crumb | cat /etc/debian_version 7.4 |
| 19:56.54 | crumb | when i tried to boot up last time i couldn't log in |
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| 19:57.23 | techhnyne_ | hey |
| 19:57.25 | ixela | good luck. I've never tried to switch init systems on a live box before |
| 19:57.25 | techhnyne_ | ok |
| 19:57.32 | glycol | is there any chance of enabling an intel igp after the bios disables it at boot when it detects a dedicated gpu? the bios doesn't provide any settings related to graphics |
| 19:57.48 | techhnyne_ | jholden_away: i was muted on other name for flood |
| 19:57.58 | techhnyne_ | jhutchins_wk: |
| 19:58.00 | babilen | techhnyne: Yes, please do not evade bans. |
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| 19:58.16 | duper | crumb, it kinda looks like something could be wrong with the kernel or your initscripts that's hosing the system before the login processes start |
| 19:58.28 | techhnyne_ | look at this prick its a fuckin chatroom get real |
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| 19:58.35 | duper | crumb: try booting into singleuser mode so u can fix whatever it is |
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| 19:59.22 | crumb | duper: i'm on an unmanaged openvz |
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| 20:00.11 | Han | the login on my system is very slow. Apparently pam is having trouble over something, but I can't figure out what. How can I enable debugging with pam? |
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| 20:00.38 | ixela | Han: are you doing authentication against an ldap server or some other external auth source? |
| 20:00.46 | ixela | or is this local only |
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| 20:01.03 | Han | Just local. |
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| 20:02.07 | jhutchins_wk | Han: How are you logging in? Console or DM? What release is this? |
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| 20:02.37 | Han | It's a fresh jessy install. I didn't have to enable debugging in syslog. I touched /etc/pam_debug and added debug at the end of lines in /etc/pam.d |
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| 20:03.18 | Han | jhutchins_wk, I get a 20 second delay with any login. ssh, su, sudo, etc. |
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| 20:04.55 | jhutchins_wk | Han: rdns |
| 20:05.29 | Dudytz | hi all I have a question related to debian packing (preinst and package diversion) ... this is the correct channel to dev questions? |
| 20:06.00 | centrx | Dudytz, You may have better luck in #debian-mentors on OFTC. |
| 20:06.13 | jhutchins_wk | Han: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/slow-ssh |
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| 20:07.18 | Han | jhutchins_wk, that would not affect su or the other logins. Also I disabled dns checking for ssh and it didn't help. |
| 20:07.56 | Dudytz | centrx: thank you! |
| 20:08.33 | sergiodj | hi there. I want to mount my encrypted lvm partitions while I'm on the installer, so that I can make it use them for / and /home. I can't find where to do this, and I don't seem to have crytosetup also... any tips? |
| 20:09.25 | MrNutz | should we consider that an udev "problem" can be asked on this channel ? ;= |
| 20:09.34 | Dudytz | centrx: the channel do not exists anymore: "This channel is no longer officially on freenode and has been forwarded to an 'about' channel" ... do you know another place to packing related questions? |
| 20:10.39 | jhutchins_wk | Dudytz: Re-read centrx' message. |
| 20:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: Ask. As long as you're civil the worst we can do is say no. |
| 20:11.19 | MrNutz | thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 20:11.48 | eb0t | hey i cant find midnight commander |
| 20:11.51 | eb0t | any ideas |
| 20:12.01 | jhutchins_wk | !any ideas |
| 20:12.01 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:12.09 | Dudytz | jhutchins_wk: LoL .. you are right :-s ... sorry |
| 20:12.17 | Juzzy | apt-get install mc ? |
| 20:12.24 | MrNutz | I'm using two USB devices (one 3G modem and one GPS receiver) |
| 20:12.34 | Juzzy | eb0t --^ |
| 20:12.37 | Han | jhutchins_wk, I think I just saw the light: apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u) |
| 20:12.41 | MrNutz | all this devices works well |
| 20:12.47 | eb0t | ah its just mc |
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| 20:12.51 | eb0t | thanks ill try it |
| 20:13.13 | Juzzy | I can't recall how many times I typo'd mc instead of 'mv' |
| 20:13.30 | Juzzy | and was stuck in some broken ass term that wouldn't let me escape mc |
| 20:13.30 | eb0t | thanks we are in business |
| 20:13.43 | MrNutz | the modem's node is @ /dev/ttyUSB(n) /dev/ttyUSB(n+1) and /dev/ttyUSB(n+2) |
| 20:13.48 | Han | Juzzy, esc 0 |
| 20:13.59 | Juzzy | assuming esc was mapped |
| 20:14.10 | MrNutz | and the GPS is @ /dev/ttyUSB(n') |
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| 20:14.32 | Juzzy | ctrl+z was my friend. : |
| 20:14.55 | jhutchins_wk | Juzzy: You could disable/remove/rename mc |
| 20:14.57 | MrNutz | My problem is when I cold start the system, the modem starts @ ttyUSB0 |
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| 20:15.24 | MrNutz | When I hot start the system (after a reboot), the GPS takes the ttyUSB0 node..... |
| 20:15.29 | Juzzy | jhutchins_wk: true, this was early days, I don't think I have any systems with it even installed anymore |
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| 20:15.58 | MrNutz | So.... I've been in deep in udev configuraiton in order to force device naming by device properties matching... |
| 20:15.58 | Dudytz | hi all ... I need a custom version of gnucash package, I need a package diversion to add a line to a xml (/var/lib/xml/iso-codes/iso_4217.xml) ... is a good approach to do the diversion in preinst and duplicate the original file, and "sed" it to add the line? I don't want to add this file in my package, but only add this new line |
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| 20:16.04 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: At this point you can hopefully see the advantages of using punctuation instead of carriage returns when posting here. |
| 20:16.06 | Juzzy | early days being 1996-2k era for me :/ |
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| 20:16.33 | MrNutz | jhutchins_wk : Okay, i'll consider that poinjt carefully |
| 20:16.34 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: Anyway, look at the "persistent" rules in the udev stack (locate persistent) and see if you can base something off of them. |
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| 20:17.21 | jaimef | apt-cache search postgresql-client yields postgresql-client-9.3 however apt-get -q -y install postgresql-client=9.3 yields E: Version '9.3' for 'postgresql-client' was not found. |
| 20:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: I'm sure it's documented somewhere on the 'net - but I'm also sure the documentation is vague, obsure, and hard to find. |
| 20:17.54 | MrNutz | jhutchins_wk : 100% right : IU've made a persistant rule in order to have a kind of static naming. But |
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| 20:20.53 | MrNutz | The persistant rules seems to work well, but the 'bug' resides in the fact that the 3G modem have 3 nodes... I get /dev/ttyGPS (for my GPS obvioulsy) and I get only one /dev/ttyMODEM node, not the two others... |
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| 20:30.37 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: Sorry, no clue how to assign multiple nodes with one rule. |
| 20:30.54 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: Perhaps a careful study of dmesg would help... |
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| 20:32.09 | MrNutz | jhutchins_wk : in fact I think I've miss-explained the problem |
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| 20:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: I think I understand it, but I think my knowledge of the situation is inadequate. |
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| 20:38.28 | MrNutz | With a standard udev rule, I've got my 3 nodes. But the node numbering depends of the initial ttyUSBxx value. This behaviour doesn't fills my requirement as the device name can vary, I need my device to always have the same name. So, I've made a script that counts (and return) the number of times it has been called, in order to have a consistant device numbering (eg. ttyMODEM0, 1, 2). Udev |
| 20:38.29 | MrNutz | rules allows to call an external program or script and using the output of this called part to name the device. And so... when using this trick I only have one device node, named ttyMODEM2 (so the script seems to work) :( |
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| 20:40.15 | MrNutz | jhutchins_wk : doesn't matter, thank you very much anyway ! |
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| 20:41.40 | MrNutz | Maybe I can re-post my question (without carriage return) tomorrow :) |
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| 20:43.59 | jhutchins_wk | MrNutz: Hah. Good idea. Maybe a little earlier when the EU is still awake. |
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| 20:46.13 | Han | jhutchins_wk, I recall havin a powerloss during an upgrade. I used dpkg -S $(sudo find /etc -type f -empty) to find all packages with broken config files. |
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| 20:46.15 | fishcooker | should i chose debian desktop environment when installing from cdimage? |
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| 20:46.44 | shawnbon206 | DEBIAN 4 LYFE |
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| 20:48.33 | jhutchins_wk | fishcooker: Pretty much depends on what you want when you're done. |
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| 20:51.18 | fishcooker | its 3 times i fail install debian jhutchins_wk |
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| 20:51.33 | fishcooker | fail on software selection |
| 20:51.51 | fishcooker | how to look the log apt |
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| 20:54.52 | fishcooker | as far i know i should load external iwl from backport; 4965 card |
| 20:55.06 | fishcooker | and it works |
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| 20:58.14 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 20:58.17 | TheWarden | I |
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| 20:58.53 | TheWarden | I'm trying to make an init sript and for some reason the pid file that is being produce is always one number behind what the actual process ID is. How can I fix this? |
| 20:59.01 | TheWarden | I have start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo -m --pidfile /var/run/fbi.pid --exec /usr/bin/fbi -- -T 1 -noverbose -a /etc/splash.png |
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| 21:02.56 | lauri | Hello |
| 21:03.12 | lauri | what's the status of Qt5 in Jessie? |
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| 21:03.16 | JasonWoof | I'm getting: module-bluetooth-device.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when I try to get A2DP mode on my headset |
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| 21:04.03 | TheWarden | it appears that fbi (linux framebuffer imageviewer) starts a process but then forks to another. However I'm not positive. |
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| 21:04.49 | JasonWoof | (this is on sid after upgrading pulseaudio to 5.0 from the normal repos). I notice that the pulseaudio-module-bluetooth does not include module-bluetooth-device.so, but does include module-bluez[45]-device.so |
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| 21:06.13 | JasonWoof | I also sometimes get this: bluetoothd[25985]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+CSRSF=0,0,0,0,0,7 |
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| 21:07.54 | JasonWoof | I've done lots of fiddling, and was occasionally able to get my headset to work for a minute or two, but then it would crap out |
| 21:08.03 | jhutchins_wk | fishcooker: Well, good instinct to think of trying a smaller install, but the first thing to suspect is a bad iso image or bad disk/usb burn. |
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| 21:09.03 | jhutchins_wk | fishcooker: You should be able to find some additional info by pressing Alt-F1 - F4 and looking at the consoles there. I'm not sure how much diagnostic tools are available. |
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| 21:09.37 | fishcooker | actually this is weird |
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| 21:10.17 | fishcooker | why this installer always complain about downloading a file failed |
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| 21:10.49 | fishcooker | i've just chect that pinging to those mirror is fine on other consoles that you said |
| 21:11.03 | fishcooker | jhutchins_wk: |
| 21:11.26 | fishcooker | change other official mirror still wih an error message |
| 21:11.36 | TheWarden | There must be some way of doing this right? I suppose after I start the application I could manually search for the process and then save the process ID into the pid file manually. Just doesn't seem right doing that. |
| 21:11.50 | fishcooker | is it problem to install kernel i686-pae rather than amd64? |
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| 21:12.20 | jelly-home | fishcooker: no, you can grab the other later |
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| 21:14.46 | fishcooker | there is unexpected error here |
| 21:15.23 | fishcooker | command not eecuted debconf-apt-progress.... |
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| 21:15.50 | holycow | hi all |
| 21:16.10 | holycow | does anyone know if gopenvpn has any debian repos out there? |
| 21:16.19 | holycow | anyone interested in compiling it for us and generating a package? |
| 21:16.22 | holycow | i am willing to pay |
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| 21:17.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell holycow -about rfp |
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| 21:17.40 | TheWarden | argh, so frustrating. I can't seem to find much on this topic search online. must be not searching for the right thing. |
| 21:18.02 | crumb | what package contains the shutdown/reboot/poweroff utilities? |
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| 21:22.05 | qman__ | holycow: if you use network manager, you may be interested in network-manager-openvpn |
| 21:22.18 | TheWarden | I've read that one needs to have -m or --make-pidfile and then have -b or -background however I've tried this and it still doesn't have the correct pid within the pid file. |
| 21:22.23 | jhutchins_wk | crumb: dpkg -S `which shutdown` |
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| 21:23.27 | qman__ | holycow: it does basically the same thing but is network manager integrated and in the debian repositories |
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| 21:25.06 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone knows any way to autostart service when they fails? |
| 21:25.07 | abailarri | For example mysql or postfix? |
| 21:25.33 | cafuego | Fix the problem that caused them to fail, so they stop failing. |
| 21:25.42 | crumb | jhutchins_wk: that doesn't help since i don't have shutdown |
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| 21:26.13 | cafuego | crumb: packages.debian.org -> search for /sbin/shutdown |
| 21:26.18 | TheWarden | well I have no idea I just removed -m and ran pidof fbi > /var/run/fbi.pid to solve the problem. |
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| 21:26.23 | TheWarden | seems wrong but no clue. |
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| 21:26.26 | Shro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.27 | cafuego | crumb: a local alternatice would be apt-file, then apt-file search |
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| 21:27.20 | crumb | i don't have apt-file either |
| 21:27.37 | crumb | i tried apt-cache search |
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| 21:34.04 | rryoumaa | what does apt-mark do that aptitude un/markauto doesn't? |
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| 21:40.30 | fishcooker | on my installation jhutchins_wk there is segmentation fault here when doing debconf-copydb |
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| 21:44.41 | ske14 | Hi friends, I'm trying to install haXe 3 onto Debian 7, but I cannot. I don't want to use Jessie yet, but is this the only solution? |
| 21:44.58 | ske14 | haXe is not a package for Debian 7 yet |
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| 21:45.47 | centrx | dpkg: tell ske14 about ssb |
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| 21:46.31 | Luxxor | Anyone here that knows why i can't set my Gopath ? I try to use "Export GOPATH=$HOME/GO" but it doesnt work. I have also tried "export GOPATH='$HOME/go'" but nothing works :( |
| 21:47.40 | glycol | ske14: try "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/eyecreate/haxe/ubuntu precise main" ? |
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| 21:48.15 | neo1691 | I am not able to start nm-applet even though the service NetworkManager is running. Any help? |
| 21:48.19 | ske14 | glycol: would this make my system unstable? I was warned not to |
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| 21:48.41 | centrx | Installing from the Ubuntu repository seems likely to cause problems. |
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| 21:49.11 | bazhang | and a PPA yet |
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| 21:49.48 | ske14 | From what I remember, there is a package in Jessi for haXe. Could I somehow get that package without breaking my system? Thank you. |
| 21:49.48 | bazhang | it's marginal for ubuntu, and a super bad idea for debian |
| 21:50.03 | glycol | so what? it's not like he's installing systemd from there |
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| 21:50.28 | bazhang | best to stick to debian repos |
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| 21:50.50 | centrx | ske14, Did you see the message from dpkg? |
| 21:51.14 | ske14 | centrx: no, I looked up ssb though, got some information that way |
| 21:51.29 | glycol | debian doesn't have haxe yet, i had more problem the nvidia drivers from the deb repo than with every external repo combined |
| 21:51.33 | centrx | !ssb |
| 21:51.34 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:52.03 | glycol | problems* |
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| 21:52.43 | centrx | glycol, haxe is in unstable |
| 21:52.49 | ske14 | Thanks, I'm looking at backports. |
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| 21:53.20 | glycol | backports doesnt have haxe (https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&searchon=names&keywords=haxe) |
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| 21:53.32 | SuckAWein | , |
| 21:53.38 | SuckAWein | oh wow my quiet was removed |
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| 21:53.46 | SuckAWein | guess all that annoying in #freenode paid off haha |
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| 21:55.41 | SuckAWein | are there any ops here? |
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| 21:55.51 | SuckAWein | i just want to know why i was quieted. |
| 21:55.58 | SuckAWein | for nearly a month |
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| 21:56.37 | SuckAWein | hello?? |
| 21:56.41 | SuckAWein | hello??????????????? |
| 21:56.52 | shawnbon206 | now we know why |
| 21:56.53 | centrx | I think I know why you were quieted. |
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| 21:57.02 | shawnbon206 | rofl |
| 21:57.37 | SuckAWein | none of you are ops so please kindly close your fucking mouths :] |
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| 21:58.18 | shawnbon206 | ok. sorry. |
| 21:58.34 | shawnbon206 | how about you centrx you sorry? |
| 21:58.43 | centrx | Sorry Mr Wein |
| 21:59.03 | SuckAWein | you guys are annoying sons of bitches |
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| 21:59.08 | SuckAWein | i told you to shut the fuck up. |
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| 21:59.20 | cafuego | !ops abuse SuckAWein |
| 21:59.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: cafuego complains about: abuse SuckAWein |
| 21:59.26 | SuckAWein | ? |
| 21:59.32 | SuckAWein | why did you call ops? |
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| 21:59.55 | centrx | Weren't you looking for ops? |
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| 22:00.09 | SuckAWein | yes but not for some dickweed to tattle on me |
| 22:00.27 | Metaleer | It is pretty obvious at this point why your original mute was placed. |
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| 22:00.32 | luxxor | Anyone here that knows how to fix the GOPATH in debian? :( it doesn't get changed for me |
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| 22:00.38 | cafuego | That's why. |
| 22:00.53 | cafuego | thanks themill |
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| 22:18.41 | politrix | if I have an aes driver (not aesni) in /proc/crypto, that means I have aes encryption hw acceleration, right? |
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| 22:19.33 | wols | politrix: no. what cpu do you have? |
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| 22:20.00 | politrix | core 2 duo l9400 |
| 22:20.18 | wols | you have no hw acceleration |
| 22:20.30 | politrix | ahh for shame.. |
| 22:21.22 | politrix | how much overhead does software have? would I see a significant change in performance / battery life? |
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| 22:22.04 | cafuego | depends on what you're encrypting eh |
| 22:22.08 | wols | performance: yes. battery life: probably |
| 22:22.24 | movrax | politrix: not much overall for a regular use tbh |
| 22:22.30 | politrix | was thinking full disk encryption |
| 22:22.36 | cafuego | half a small file every 2 days, maybe not so much. |
| 22:22.45 | cafuego | politrix: Easily offset by using an SSD. |
| 22:23.01 | glycol1 | politrix: im sure there are benchmarks available for that |
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| 22:23.50 | cafuego | politrix: you'd get some overhead on i/o but if you're not processing video or large images, how much data would you write, really? |
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| 22:24.19 | politrix | cafuego: i/o overhead isn't a huge deal to me. Guess I'm more concerned with cpu overhead |
| 22:25.13 | cafuego | politrix: are you able to try it out and discard the idea if battery life becomes too short? |
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| 22:25.25 | cafuego | and/or too much hot or cpu fan whine? |
| 22:25.43 | politrix | yeah, I may just have to test |
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| 22:26.16 | politrix | thinking about it, though. My daily use doesn't write to the disk a ton. Especially not when using battery |
| 22:26.22 | politrix | so maybe it's negligable |
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| 22:29.16 | Larissa | hi o/ |
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| 22:32.34 | movrax | politrix: I was using full disk encryption with aes-xts-plain64 512 on C2D T7700 (no support for AES-NI) and the time on the battery was practically the same |
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| 22:33.56 | movrax | well maybe not exactly 100% the same |
| 22:34.07 | movrax | but the hit on the battery life was so small that it didn't really matter |
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| 22:42.44 | politrix | movrax: thanks, that's good to know |
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| 22:53.33 | eb0t | hey im using gnome and cant find out how to set vlc as my default media player |
| 22:53.36 | eb0t | any ideas |
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| 22:55.02 | glycol1 | eb0t: system settings > about(?) > default applications |
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| 22:55.14 | eb0t | thanks glycol1 |
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| 22:58.50 | NoirX | hi |
| 22:59.04 | k4tZz | Hello NoirX |
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| 22:59.35 | asterismo | hi people |
| 22:59.55 | asterismo | i'm having trouble configuring a debian irc server with ircd-irc2 with stunnel4 |
| 22:59.56 | glycol1 | its "details", not "about" |
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| 23:00.11 | NoirX | firestart firewall starts automatically when debian is starting, how to disable auto starting, i havent chkcfg |
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| 23:00.33 | duper` | asterismo: and? |
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| 23:00.45 | asterismo | stunnel4 does not work |
| 23:00.57 | asterismo | and i cannot tunnel to the irc server on port 7000 |
| 23:01.09 | asterismo | irc server is set to 6667 port and 7000 for ssl |
| 23:01.25 | duper` | is your stunnel config file setup properly |
| 23:01.39 | asterismo | is there a special trick there? there is almost nothing on the web for ircd-irc2 plus stunnel4 |
| 23:01.54 | asterismo | maybe not, i do not know |
| 23:01.59 | asterismo | wait |
| 23:02.14 | duper` | have you thought about using socat instead? |
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| 23:03.14 | asterismo | http://pastebin.com/jC8i72vV |
| 23:03.15 | duper` | or perhaps an ircd that wraps socket connections in ssl streams natively |
| 23:03.53 | asterismo | ircd-irc2 does nt support SSL natively |
| 23:03.58 | duper` | asterismo: it looks like the kernel hasn't freed access to that TCP port yet |
| 23:04.03 | duper` | or there could be another process using |
| 23:04.04 | asterismo | but i found it can be tunneled using stunnel |
| 23:04.07 | duper` | fuser -n tcp 7000 |
| 23:04.30 | asterismo | that command is permanent? |
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| 23:04.39 | duper` | no, it's passive. |
| 23:04.51 | asterismo | it gives me the same error |
| 23:04.59 | asterismo | that is the error |
| 23:05.06 | asterismo | my stunnel.con is this |
| 23:05.07 | duper` | is there anything listening on that port |
| 23:05.09 | asterismo | wait |
| 23:05.10 | duper` | did you try connecting to it |
| 23:05.46 | asterismo | http://pastebin.com/uDh5mwT8 |
| 23:05.58 | asterismo | i can connect to irc server on port 6667 as usual |
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| 23:06.14 | asterismo | but irssi says connection lost, whe i try port 7000 |
| 23:06.32 | asterismo | check out my stunnel.conf, maybe there is something wrong |
| 23:06.37 | asterismo | i don't know |
| 23:06.53 | asterismo | i didn't find any example of my case out there |
| 23:06.57 | duper` | you can't use the same PEM file for CAfile, cert and key. generate a proper root certificate signing request with OpenSSL |
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| 23:07.23 | asterismo | what about commenting it? the CA |
| 23:07.35 | asterismo | because i do not have a certificate signed by an authority |
| 23:07.43 | duper` | u can try it, but i think it's needed |
| 23:07.51 | duper` | that's why you self-sign it. |
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| 23:07.59 | duper` | openssl allows you to act as your own CA |
| 23:08.34 | duper` | or you can use openca.org if you want the full benefits of PKI |
| 23:08.42 | asterismo | i have 3 files, the .crt, the .key and the .pem that i generated concatenating the crt and key file |
| 23:08.45 | asterismo | is that? |
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| 23:09.22 | duper` | i don't know, doubt it. |
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| 23:09.40 | asterismo | it's the same way i generated the certificate for ejabberd server |
| 23:09.51 | asterismo | openssl genrsa ... bla |
| 23:09.59 | asterismo | and then openssl -req |
| 23:10.26 | asterismo | but i think the errors are no related to certificates, right? |
| 23:10.51 | asterismo | do you see anything wrong in the stunnel.conf file other than the CA thing? |
| 23:11.31 | cafuego | You don't need a commercial CA, but you do need *a* CA so you can sign all the endpoint certs with the same CA cert. |
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| 23:11.43 | cafuego | Install `tinyca' to make that process less painful. |
| 23:11.45 | duper` | i think you also need to set client = yes in stunnel.conf |
| 23:12.12 | asterismo | cafuego, is there any tutorial for that CA signing thing? |
| 23:12.18 | duper` | you might be able to get away with removing the CA related vars from the config file, not sure.. |
| 23:12.31 | cafuego | asterismo: There are lots, but I suggest using tinyca. |
| 23:13.13 | cafuego | Oh, and make sure your CA certificate doesn't expire next year ;-) |
| 23:13.17 | duper` | https://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt |
| 23:13.34 | cafuego | judd: v tinyca |
| 23:13.35 | judd | Package: tinyca on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.5-3; wheezy: 0.7.5-4; jessie: 0.7.5-5; sid: 0.7.5-5 |
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| 23:14.02 | asterismo | i managed to get rid of the certificate error, i use the same certificate and it gives no error |
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| 23:14.23 | asterismo | see |
| 23:14.25 | asterismo | http://pastebin.com/VCt5EA3k |
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| 23:14.58 | asterismo | the first error in the output is: Error binding service [irc] to 0.0.0.0:7000 |
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| 23:15.16 | duper` | you need to pay attention to error messages like this, too: Insecure file permissions on /etc/ircd/irc-oalm.pem |
| 23:15.27 | nikitis | Question. I'm stuck on debian squeeze on my VPS. I've now come to a point where I need to upgrade due to lack of packaging. Is there a way I can do this install remotely on the VPS? |
| 23:15.46 | asterismo | duper`, do i need to chmod it? |
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| 23:16.39 | asterismo | duper`, at least it says: Certificate loaded |
| 23:17.12 | asterismo | maybe i need to configure ircd-irc2 to run on both ports 6667 and 7000? |
| 23:17.47 | duper` | no. |
| 23:18.09 | duper` | but i would make sure you don't have any P:lines for TCP port 7000 already |
| 23:18.19 | duper` | since it looks like something is already listening on there |
| 23:18.50 | cafuego | Check with netstat |
| 23:19.11 | asterismo | duper`, P::::6667: |
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| 23:19.29 | asterismo | cafuego, netstat? |
| 23:19.35 | asterismo | just like that? |
| 23:19.40 | duper` | fuser -n tcp 7000 |
| 23:20.12 | duper` | asterismo: do you have multiple copies of stunnel running or something? |
| 23:20.20 | asterismo | no |
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| 23:20.35 | asterismo | 7000/tcp: 1874 3514 |
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| 23:21.39 | asterismo | netstat | grep 7000 |
| 23:21.41 | asterismo | gives me |
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| 23:22.03 | asterismo | unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 1617000 |
| 23:22.07 | asterismo | that's it |
| 23:22.14 | asterismo | i give up |
| 23:22.34 | duper` | okay, fuser says you have two processes listening on port 7000 already |
| 23:22.53 | asterismo | how can i get the name of those processes? |
| 23:22.55 | duper` | so you need to figure out why PID 1874 and 3514 are doing that |
| 23:23.07 | asterismo | ps aux= |
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| 23:23.42 | asterismo | it says stunnel on both |
| 23:23.44 | asterismo | damn |
| 23:23.55 | duper` | told you |
| 23:24.06 | duper` | killall -TERM stunnel |
| 23:25.01 | glycol | any ideas why i get this? http://i.imgur.com/v1R0PxN.png e2fsprogs is at v1.42 |
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| 23:26.08 | asterismo | duper`, now it does not give me errors when starting, but i cannot connect to irc server on port 7000 |
| 23:26.08 | glycol | this is gparted on jessie after i do right-click > information |
| 23:27.21 | duper` | glycol: you might need to re-create the sdc1 device file with /dev/MAKEDEV or mknod |
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| 23:27.28 | duper` | if it doesn't exist |
| 23:27.47 | FreezingCold | Is there a good crash course in Debian packaging? I'm coming from Arch Linux |
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| 23:28.15 | duper` | if it does, then either there isn't a filesystem on that partition or the filesystem header is corrupt |
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| 23:28.32 | zykotick9 | !tell FreezingCold about nmg |
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| 23:28.41 | FreezingCold | nmg? |
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| 23:28.57 | zykotick9 | FreezingCold: check for a PM from dpkg |
| 23:29.17 | FreezingCold | ah thanks I didn't see it, I'm in +100 channels |
| 23:29.27 | duper` | FreezingCold: https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial |
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| 23:30.05 | cruz__ | Is there any way to make a user account without root access with IPMI or some other sort of program? |
| 23:30.42 | jhutchins | cruz__: sudo? |
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| 23:32.29 | glycol | duper: there is a single ext4 partiton (sdc1) that mounts properly, fsck -f didn't this issue |
| 23:32.36 | glycol | didn't solve* |
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| 23:34.06 | duper` | you could try debugfs maybe |
| 23:34.21 | jhutchins | glycol: What are the symptoms? |
| 23:35.22 | glycol | i get this in gparted: http://i.imgur.com/v1R0PxN.png, i don't want this somehow to become a bigger problem later |
| 23:35.58 | jhutchins | glycol: Describe it for me, I'm text-only here. |
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| 23:37.35 | glycol | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/NVay2KuL i get this if i right-click on /dev/sdc1 > information in gparted |
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| 23:38.35 | glycol | /dev/sdc1 is the only ext4 partition on that drive |
| 23:40.25 | jhutchins | glycol: Why do you think fsck didn't do anything? What command did you use? What did it respond with? |
| 23:41.50 | TheWarden | good night |
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| 23:43.47 | glycol | because that message in gparted didn't go away and fsck didn't say anything special |
| 23:44.26 | glycol | i did fsck -f /dev/sdc |
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| 23:45.33 | glycol | and i got pass 1: .... \n pass 2..... pass5 \n /dev/sdc: 339495/61054976 files (0.4% non-contiguous), 59630405/244190646 blocks |
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| 23:46.26 | duper` | so you did /dev/sdc and not /dev/sdc1 then? |
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| 23:46.47 | glycol | yes |
| 23:47.26 | glycol | for sdc1 i get: fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdc1 \n Possibly non-existent device? |
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| 23:51.59 | jhutchins | glycol: sdc1 does not contain a valid filesystem. |
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| 23:52.24 | jhutchins | glycol: I asked you to describe the parted error. |
| 23:52.42 | glycol | but it still mounts |
| 23:52.56 | jhutchins | glycol: Can you see data on it? |
| 23:53.13 | glycol | yes, i was using it this way for at least a month |
| 23:53.13 | jhutchins | glycol: What kind of device is it? |
| 23:53.24 | jhutchins | glycol: Why did you stop? |
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| 23:54.02 | glycol | i mean im still using, it's a 1tb sshd |
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| 23:57.48 | jhutchins | giggles uncontrolably. |
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| 23:58.53 | jhutchins | glycol: smartmontools probably won't work on it. |
| 23:59.19 | Vasistha | I would like an action to be triggered by umount. any idea how to script this? |
| 23:59.42 | jhutchins | glycol: If it still mounts, reads and writes, press on and ignore the errors. Just remember that anything on flash or ssd that you don't have an external copy of does not actually belong to you, but to the gods. |
