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| 00:10.16 | BackEndCoder | hi guys |
| 00:10.26 | BackEndCoder | i am getting segmentation faults and bus errors |
| 00:10.35 | BackEndCoder | my dmseg is telling me drive fails |
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| 00:10.49 | BackEndCoder | a reboot will fix it.. but it just comes back after a while |
| 00:10.56 | BackEndCoder | what commands should i use to fix it ? |
| 00:10.58 | somiaj | BackEndCoder: sounds like you need a new hd, I would hope you backup everything as soon as possible |
| 00:11.11 | somiaj | if the drive is going, it is hardware, and you need to replace it |
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| 00:11.23 | BackEndCoder | is this a bad sector issue? can i scan and stop them from being used? |
| 00:12.02 | shawnbon206 | no, thats a myth |
| 00:12.10 | somiaj | BackEndCoder: just get a new hdd |
| 00:12.14 | shingouz | BackEndCoder: nope. a drive is dying. when the drive finally dies, you will be out of your data |
| 00:12.42 | BackEndCoder | so its a case of grabbing what i can, and running |
| 00:12.49 | shawnbon206 | yep |
| 00:12.49 | BackEndCoder | then telling the isp to put a new harddrive in it |
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| 00:13.05 | BackEndCoder | wish there was a way to gain me a few days |
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| 00:13.31 | shawnbon206 | make a deal with the devil |
| 00:13.47 | BackEndCoder | ok, so best way to backup ? :D |
| 00:13.54 | BackEndCoder | wouldn't mind the whole thing |
| 00:14.00 | BackEndCoder | i have other servers i can send it too |
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| 00:14.37 | BackEndCoder | and if i delete bul;l data i don't want.. does this put more strain on the drive? i don't want to risk losing the good stuff |
| 00:15.34 | shingouz | !tell BackEndCoder about backup |
| 00:15.38 | BackEndCoder | i'm thinking sftp as root, and pull everything out i can ? :D |
| 00:15.41 | BackEndCoder | thanks :) |
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| 00:18.32 | somiaj | BackEndCoder: besides maybe backing up /etc and /var and a package list I woudln't worry about backing up the software (you can download that from debian servers on the new hd), worry mostly about usere data |
| 00:18.50 | somiaj | and /var might not need completely backed up, there is just sometimes stuff there you may want. |
| 00:19.28 | BackEndCoder | yeah /var is important to me :) |
| 00:19.39 | BackEndCoder | /var/www is about 234gig |
| 00:19.51 | BackEndCoder | i'm going to get ftpin :D |
| 00:19.52 | shawnbon206 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-tar-command-through-network-over-ssh-session/ |
| 00:19.59 | BackEndCoder | nice find |
| 00:21.14 | shawnbon206 | oi my head |
| 00:21.22 | shawnbon206 | no sleep and too much coffee |
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| 00:30.57 | squisher | so I've been running into these rcu_stall errors that seem to happen just before the machine freezes up. Does anyone have a clue how to debug that? |
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| 00:33.47 | squisher | for example: INFO: rcu_bh detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: { 2} (detected by 0, t=42067 jiffies) |
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| 00:41.51 | asterismo | hi people, how do i enable port 3142 for a client to use apt-cacher on iptables? |
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| 00:47.37 | Juzzy | are you asking for a rule to allow outbound connections to port 3142? |
| 00:47.52 | Juzzy | or inbound connections to port 3142? |
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| 01:20.20 | sdegutis | Hey there. |
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| 01:20.30 | sdegutis | I'm pretty lost. |
| 01:21.14 | ScottG489 | How do I set an environment variable for a ui application? I tried .profile without any luck |
| 01:22.11 | sdegutis | Sometimes when I boot up, I get a blank screen shortly before the prompt.. my research lead me to believe I needed to set the KMS properly, but further research suggests that Intel i915 driver is already loaded and KMS is already configured properly for me in the linux kernel by default. |
| 01:22.16 | sdegutis | So I'm basically just really confused and lost. |
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| 01:24.11 | somiaj | ScottG489: if you use bash, $HOME/.bashrc |
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| 01:24.38 | somiaj | ScottG489: or $HOME/.bash_profile (bash does not read .profile if other things exist) |
| 01:24.42 | sdegutis | lsmod confirms that I am using i915 for video. |
| 01:24.44 | ScottG489 | somiaj: I'm not running it myself |
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| 01:24.58 | ScottG489 | It's i3-sensible-terminal if you're familiar |
| 01:25.12 | somiaj | ScottG489: the terminal is different thatn shell, you are most likely using bash. |
| 01:25.42 | somiaj | ScottG489: note if you just need to set an enviorment variable for that paticular program, you can run the program like 'VAR=foo program_command' |
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| 01:58.23 | fangfufu | okay |
| 01:58.30 | fangfufu | so i submitted further information about a bug |
| 01:58.34 | fangfufu | and it says the following: |
| 01:58.42 | fangfufu | Your message has not been forwarded to the package maintainers or |
| 01:58.43 | fangfufu | other interested parties; you should ensure that the developers are |
| 01:58.45 | fangfufu | aware of the problem you have entered into the system - preferably |
| 01:58.46 | fangfufu | quoting the Bug reference number, #742239. |
| 01:59.01 | fangfufu | Should I inform the package maintainer separately? |
| 01:59.04 | fangfufu | or should I leave it? |
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| 02:06.35 | fangfufu | is anyone here? |
| 02:07.21 | LtL | fangfufu: leave it |
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| 02:07.39 | fangfufu | thanks, LtL. |
| 02:07.46 | LtL | welcome |
| 02:08.06 | mcurran | anyone here using gnome-shell 3.10 or newer? |
| 02:09.20 | LtL | judd: bug 742239 |
| 02:09.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/742239 in transmission-daemon (open): «Transmission-daemon segfault due to libgnutls.so»; severity: grave; opened: 2014-03-21; last modified: 2014-03-21. |
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| 02:10.43 | asterismo | hey guys |
| 02:10.52 | average | hey asterismo |
| 02:10.56 | asterismo | i copied through SSH a bunch of *.debs in the /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages |
| 02:10.57 | average | asterismo: what's new ? |
| 02:11.12 | asterismo | but it is not using those packages |
| 02:11.23 | average | asterismo: you mean /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 02:11.24 | asterismo | is there anyway to rebuild the packages index? |
| 02:11.32 | asterismo | i'm using apt-cacher |
| 02:11.36 | average | ah |
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| 02:11.42 | average | hmm, I have no idea about apt-cacher |
| 02:11.53 | average | abrotman might know |
| 02:11.58 | asterismo | so i added them up in the /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages |
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| 02:12.32 | average | asterismo: can you explain shortly what is apt-cacher ? sorry, I've never used it before |
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| 02:13.15 | asterismo | is like a proxy that caches the apt-get packages to a local repository and then the other machines do not have to re-download from the www |
| 02:13.22 | asterismo | just the local server |
| 02:13.52 | average | asterismo: oh I see, but that overlaps a bit with /var/cache/apt/archives/ right ? |
| 02:14.20 | asterismo | you can import those |
| 02:14.40 | asterismo | but the local cache of the cacher is /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages |
| 02:14.44 | asterismo | i dunno |
| 02:14.58 | ProfessorBacon | anyone familiar with the oauth pam module? |
| 02:14.59 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 02:16.07 | average | asterismo: apt-cache gencaches ? |
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| 02:16.25 | average | asterismo: and then apt-cache dumpavail to see if the packages have entered the cache of apt-cacher ? |
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| 02:17.41 | asterismo | mmm |
| 02:18.01 | asterismo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.06 | asterismo | had to CTRL+C it |
| 02:18.23 | average | asterismo: I just read apt-cache --help and pointed you to those two options |
| 02:18.29 | average | unfortunately I have not used them myself |
| 02:18.42 | average | but from what I understand, they should solve your problem |
| 02:18.55 | mcurran | how come on every boot there is a directory created in /media with my username and then adds auto or manually mounted volumes to my subdirectory (uid-name)? this is not identified in fstab, since I like to create a directory for each partition myself. |
| 02:19.22 | average | mcurran: do you have any removable media connected to your machine ? |
| 02:19.35 | mcurran | so each boot will create a mcurran folder in media and then the UDF within there |
| 02:19.36 | mcurran | yes |
| 02:19.46 | average | mcurran: I believe that answers your question |
| 02:19.56 | mcurran | okay so it's just for removable media |
| 02:20.03 | average | I believe so, yes |
| 02:20.22 | mcurran | i thought there was some other file somewhere doing this as a similar to fstab |
| 02:20.32 | mcurran | probably is right |
| 02:20.59 | mcurran | anyways, if it's only removable media, i would like them to mount right in /media, but I can live with it. thanks |
| 02:21.00 | average | mcurran: this is related to udev/udisks , those are responsible for mounting things on-the-fly like that afaik |
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| 02:22.04 | larks | hey |
| 02:22.19 | average | yes larks |
| 02:22.34 | larks | I'm going to encrypt my home dir on my laptop on a fresh install, should I just go ahead and encrypt everything? |
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| 02:23.18 | average | larks: you seem to have some doubts about it. what are those doubts ? |
| 02:23.57 | larks | just curious if it's worth encrypting the OS |
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| 02:24.02 | larks | vs just the home dir |
| 02:24.40 | average | larks: it makes sense from a certain perspective. for example, your swap might persist data you want to be hidden .. |
| 02:24.55 | average | larks: there are also other places which might contain things you are not directly aware of |
| 02:25.06 | average | larks: from that point of view, yes, it makes sense encrypting everything |
| 02:25.07 | larks | etc and var I know |
| 02:25.10 | chiluk | so how does one add comments to debian bugs without getting spam? I'd like to reply to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681210 with a debdiff, but I don't want to expose my e-mail. |
| 02:25.15 | average | larks: but be aware that there is a performance overhead |
| 02:25.35 | average | chiluk: have an e-mail just for that ? |
| 02:25.57 | centrx | chiluk, There doesn't seem to be much spam coming from it, and it is all caught by spam filters on my e-mail service. |
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| 02:26.26 | average | chiluk: http://mailinator.com/ provides throw-away e-mail accounts, but then you'll have to check the bugs manually periodically, instead of receiving updates through e-mail |
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| 02:31.13 | pimpim | hy any tutorial for better fonts in xfce? |
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| 02:33.35 | buribux | hi |
| 02:34.22 | average | buribux: hi |
| 02:34.26 | GJdan | Hello |
| 02:34.32 | average | Hello |
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| 02:35.33 | buribux | unofficial channel? |
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| 02:37.13 | mcurran | anyone happen to know where you can clear your empathy account information |
| 02:37.34 | pimpim | anyone knows good tutorial to make better fonts in xfce? |
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| 02:37.45 | buribux | what is diference between freenode channel x oftc channel? |
| 02:39.24 | LtL | buribux: OFTC is technially the 'official' channel but the difference in consequential. |
| 02:39.47 | LtL | *inconsequential |
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| 02:44.26 | Pucilowski | I'd like to assign colours to hostnames in my terminal so that user@local is painted one colour, and user@remote is different. What's the easiest terminal with which to acheive this? |
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| 02:46.29 | average | Pucilowski: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
| 02:46.46 | average | Pucilowski: perhaps read this, and read how to change colors from it |
| 02:47.10 | average | Pucilowski: http://bashrcgenerator.com/ |
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| 02:47.29 | average | Pucilowski: http://bashrcgenerator.com/ |
| 02:47.37 | average | Pucilowski: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4138025/827519 |
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| 02:47.46 | Pucilowski | Thank you |
| 02:48.42 | average | Pucilowski: maybe the section on Colorization here http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/ |
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| 02:54.50 | ScottG489 | I'm not sure I'm understanding how pinning works. I have the following in my preferences: "Package: vim Pin: release a=sid Pin-Priority: 1000" I would think this would cause vim to install from sid when I ran 'aptitude install sid' but it still appears to be installing from wheezy. It will only install from sid if I do 'aptitude install vim/sid' |
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| 03:00.03 | tapout | 2 servers. /home/jeff/* on both. I want to compute md5 recursively and compute which files aren't the same. Any ideas what app does this? |
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| 03:01.19 | tapout | hrmm, maybe cksfv |
| 03:01.30 | themill | ScottG489: check the output of "apt-cache policy vim; apt-cache policy". You'll see that the a= is wrong. |
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| 03:07.34 | ScottG489 | themill: ok interesting thanks. I'm not sure exactly how it's wrong though |
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| 03:11.36 | ScottG489 | themill: What should the a= be? |
| 03:12.30 | ScottG489 | wait, should it be a=unstable? |
| 03:12.42 | ScottG489 | I thought sid and unstable were the same...? |
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| 03:19.21 | somiaj | ScottG489: unstable is a link to sid. But I think you need to be consistant with your sources.list file. Do you sid or unstable there? |
| 03:19.51 | jsliver | https://twitter.com/mdx_jsilver/status/451550189749149696 https://twitter.com/mdx_jsilver/status/451551169442107392 retweet favorite plz |
| 03:19.57 | ScottG489 | Using unstable, stable, etc seems to be providing the results I'm expecting |
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| 03:24.30 | somiaj | ScottG489: in your sources.list you should really use 'wheezy' over 'stable'. Also mixing binaries from stable with binaries from unstable is very bad juju and a way to break your system. |
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| 03:27.17 | narcarsiss | Hello Fellow Debian Power Users. I have a Wonderful Question for you today as Googles is Being stupid ands not Answering me. Can i Update a linux DVD to pre Install/load the Latest Kernel 3.14 and ATI Drivers, also etc.. |
| 03:27.25 | ScottG489 | somiaj: Isn't that the whole point of pinning? |
| 03:27.27 | themill | somiaj: the contents of the Release file for the distribution determine what a=, n= etc are. |
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| 03:27.47 | themill | ScottG489: ^^ |
| 03:27.48 | ScottG489 | somiaj: Also I am using wheezy, sid, etc in my sources.list |
| 03:27.55 | ScottG489 | Which is why I was confused |
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| 03:28.14 | somiaj | themill: ahh thanks for the info. |
| 03:28.27 | themill | (that was actually ETAB) |
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| 03:28.47 | themill | ScottG489: that's unlikely to end well... rm can delete your entire system but it's probably not what you want; pinning can help you make a big mess, but that's probably not what you want. |
| 03:28.48 | somiaj | ScottG489: pinning has it's uses. It is not ment to mix stable and unstable (it actually really isn't ment to mix debian distributions). |
| 03:29.28 | ScottG489 | That's exactly how I have heard it described |
| 03:29.52 | somiaj | ScottG489: look at 'apt-cache policy libc6' notice how you have the unstable libc6 libary. This is a very core libary that most things on your system depend on. There is no way of knowing how a stable binary is going to react with this unstable libary. |
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| 03:30.14 | somiaj | over time more core sid libaries will sneak in and it may work, and one day it won't. We do not support mixing in this way. |
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| 03:31.50 | ct0 | anyone had an idea why my my wireless networking abilities get disabled after my laptop suspends? |
| 03:31.56 | ScottG489 | To be fair, I've been told by everyone here that if I ran sid eventually my machine would go to hell also and that's never happened to me. |
| 03:32.04 | somiaj | ScottG489: pinning allows you to do things that can break your system. Doesn't mean that is how it should be used. You need to learn about backports and make your own. |
| 03:32.36 | somiaj | ScottG489: I have used sid as my main desktop for over 10 years. I have had to fix lots of bugs int hat time. |
| 03:32.49 | ScottG489 | Let me ask you this. Would I be safer just running sid outright or should I run stable and pin certain non-core programs (such as my browser, text editor)? |
| 03:33.04 | somiaj | ct0: sometimes modules don't come back correctly. I personally shutdown my wireless connenction then bring it back up when I suspend |
| 03:33.26 | somiaj | ScottG489: it would be better for you to fully run sid and not pin like you are doing. |
| 03:33.27 | ScottG489 | Because I've been told the former is safer by many people in this channel before. That's why I decided to take this route |
| 03:33.38 | somiaj | ScottG489: the option that I suggest (unless you want the fun of running sid) is build backports. |
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| 03:33.57 | ct0 | somiaj, this is what i get back "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill" |
| 03:34.16 | ScottG489 | somiaj: Yeah I have a few packages backported but that doesn't seem to completely do the job |
| 03:34.20 | somiaj | ScottG489: yea mixing is just bad advise, there are to many unknowns that could one day be bad. At least running sid if y ou run across a bug you ahve a supported system and the bts to work with. |
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| 03:34.49 | somiaj | ct0: you could have a hardware or software kill switch. Hardware will beo n the laptop itself, software you can use the command 'rfkill' to turn on/off |
| 03:35.28 | ScottG489 | somiaj: ok thaks |
| 03:35.57 | ScottG489 | somiaj: As a side question, is there a way to uninstall packages on my system of which nothing depends on them anymore? |
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| 03:36.04 | Mad7Scientist | jhutchins, I finally got it to work. I just set the first sector to 64 and set the heads to 255 and sectors to 63 and the correct cylinders in fdisk before making the partition. For some reason it was all crazy and fdisk was coming up with different values for the geometry after making a partition during the same boot up session |
| 03:36.26 | somiaj | ScottG489: apt-get autoremove will do that for packages with the autoflag. The program deborphan will search your install for libs that don't have anything depending on them |
| 03:36.41 | somiaj | ScottG489: you can also use deborphan to list all packages that nothing depnds on them (youg et lots of binaries with this too) |
| 03:36.58 | Mad7Scientist | ct0, I wash to just completely remove all that garbage that makes it so you can't even create a 5ghz ad-hoc network! |
| 03:37.42 | ct0 | somiaj, i used rfkill list and it says nothing is blocked |
| 03:37.43 | Mad7Scientist | anyway, do you have a switch or an Fn+key combination to turn wireless on/off? Also, often the BIOS will have an option for the wireless state: On/Previous/Off/Disabled |
| 03:38.17 | ScottG489 | somiaj: I'm confused as to why when I purge vim it doesn't remove it's dependencies... |
| 03:38.21 | ct0 | Mad7Scientist, i do, and have toggled all of them, the network is disabled right when it suspends and then doesnt come back up |
| 03:38.58 | somiaj | ScottG489: nothing depends on vim, so there is nothign to remove |
| 03:39.01 | Mad7Scientist | could be a bug |
| 03:39.20 | somiaj | ct0: have you trund to modprove -r module && modprobe module |
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| 03:39.30 | somiaj | where module is the wifi module, they sometimes get stuck/buggy after a suspend |
| 03:39.40 | ct0 | im running sid... |
| 03:39.42 | ct0 | could be |
| 03:39.52 | ct0 | it was working before a recent update |
| 03:40.02 | ScottG489 | somiaj: Ah, it looks like vim dependencies lost their auto-installed status somehow |
| 03:40.20 | ScottG489 | like vim-common and vim-runtime |
| 03:40.44 | somiaj | ScottG489: are you using aptitude or apt-get |
| 03:41.10 | ScottG489 | aptitude |
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| 03:41.20 | somiaj | ScottG489: apt-get won't remove them by default whiel aptitude will. apt-get you ahve to run an additional command. And yes sometimes things use their autoflag. I get that a lot in sid because I have to manually fix things which takes it away. |
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| 03:42.48 | ScottG489 | Ah interesting. I thought apt-get did that automatically also. |
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| 03:43.05 | ScottG489 | Isn't aptitude the recommended package manager these days? |
| 03:43.10 | somiaj | ScottG489: nope you have to run 'apt-get autoremove' after |
| 03:43.36 | somiaj | ScottG489: depends. /msg dpkg why apt-get, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not apt-get, /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 03:43.56 | ScottG489 | dpkg has all the answers |
| 03:43.56 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ScottG489 |
| 03:44.04 | somiaj | ScottG489: summary. They do things differently. In upgrades (espically release upgrades) sometimes one works better than the other. Some release suggested apt-get for the upgrade, some aptitude |
| 03:44.11 | ScottG489 | lmao |
| 03:44.22 | ScottG489 | is that an easter egg? |
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| 03:44.53 | somiaj | nope, they are things like apt-get moo |
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| 03:46.30 | ct0 | somiaj, so upon further inspection rfkill shoes no hard or soft blocks on wifi |
| 03:47.03 | somiaj | ct0: then I don't see why it is complaining about it. It could be the module as I suggested, did your remove it and reload it? |
| 03:47.15 | ScottG489 | Haha "there are no easter eggs in this progra" |
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| 03:47.20 | ScottG489 | I was refering to dpkg though |
| 03:47.32 | ct0 | somiaj, can you clarify that process? |
| 03:47.55 | somiaj | ScottG489: aptitude -v moo, aptitude -v -v moo, and keep going |
| 03:48.09 | somiaj | ct0: determine the module name, 'lsmod' may help or dmesg grep wlan0 |
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| 03:48.20 | somiaj | ct0: modprobe -r modulename |
| 03:48.24 | somiaj | ct0: modprobe modulename |
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| 03:49.09 | ScottG489 | I'm sure I've been down that road at least once beore in my life |
| 03:49.29 | ScottG489 | Do you know about sl or bb? |
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| 03:50.00 | Sansone | hi |
| 03:50.00 | Sansone | how can i schedule a single crontab event for a particular date? |
| 03:50.23 | average | Sansone: crontab -e ? |
| 03:51.47 | ct0 | somiaj, iwl3945 is my wlan0 |
| 03:52.09 | somiaj | ct0: so then run the commands to remove it |
| 03:52.41 | andry | Sansone, you can set it to run once a year at this date .. and maybe just add a line that removes this cronjob after run |
| 03:52.52 | ct0 | modprobe not found? do i need to get this? |
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| 03:53.10 | somiaj | ct0: have to be root or use sudo |
| 03:53.16 | somiaj | ct0: it just is not in your users path |
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| 03:53.52 | ct0 | okasy |
| 03:53.55 | ct0 | ran that |
| 03:54.05 | ct0 | and then did sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:54.21 | ct0 | and nothing happened to the networking icon, nothing changed |
| 03:54.38 | somiaj | ct0: networking icon? Do you use network manager? |
| 03:54.45 | ct0 | i have it on |
| 03:54.52 | ct0 | meaning i use network manager |
| 03:55.30 | somiaj | ct0: to configure the wlan0 you need to do more than just bring it up. Don't mix manual control and network-manager. pick one |
| 03:55.42 | somiaj | ct0: just to be safe, I would bring wlan0 down, then restart network-manager |
| 03:56.10 | ct0 | network manager is unresponsive |
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| 03:56.22 | Rusty1 | has rfkill list wifi been tried (late to the thread)? |
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| 03:56.52 | ct0 | not hard or soft blocked Rusty1 |
| 03:57.32 | andry | sometimes you need a special modprobe option to enable it .. though it seems not to be blocked by a killswitch |
| 03:57.34 | somiaj | Rusty1: he says it happens after a suspend, we tried rfkill. I was just suggesting reloading the module/network manager over rebooting. |
| 03:57.56 | ct0 | a reboot fixes it right away |
| 03:58.06 | ct0 | but kind of defeats the purpose |
| 03:58.09 | somiaj | ct0: reloading the module should be equivlant to a reboot. |
| 03:58.13 | ct0 | something changed in a recent update |
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| 03:58.25 | somiaj | ct0: what version of debian do you run? |
| 03:58.29 | ct0 | sid |
| 03:59.11 | somiaj | ahh fun, well I would track down what package you think caused the problem. You can downgrade to see if it really is a version difference, and then submit a bug |
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| 03:59.48 | somiaj | but on my laptop my wifi module is crapy realtek that afer a suspend I sometimes need to remove and reload it to get it to work. |
| 03:59.49 | ct0 | i cant be the only one experiancing this |
| 04:00.20 | andry | ct0, you can also add the module (i think its name was iwl3945?) to suspend modules, like echo "SUSPEND_MODULES="iwl3945" > /etc/pm/config.d/config |
| 04:01.15 | andry | oh, bad syntax ;P but you know what i mean |
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| 04:02.13 | andry | echo 'SUSPEND_MODULES="iwl3945"' > /etc/pm/config.d/config .... |
| 04:02.29 | ct0 | should iwl3945 be used by something when i do lsmod ? |
| 04:02.56 | somiaj | ct0: yes it oculd be that is the chipset and not driver |
| 04:03.34 | somiaj | if you don't see it, look at the output of dmesg | tail after you try to load it with 'modprobe iwl3945' |
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| 04:05.18 | ct0 | i dont see wlan0 when i do dmesg | tail |
| 04:05.26 | Rusty1 | is iwl3945 in lsmod when the device is working ? |
| 04:05.38 | Rusty1 | prior to suspend |
| 04:05.44 | ct0 | im not sure |
| 04:05.52 | ct0 | its there now and not being used by anything |
| 04:06.07 | somiaj | ct0: can you tell us what chipset your card is running so we can give you more accurate info. 'lspci -v' should list it |
| 04:06.11 | ct0 | the iwl3945 is an intel wifi card that is very common |
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| 04:06.25 | somiaj | ct0: if it is in the list it is loaded. |
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| 04:06.37 | andry | so right now it is not working, right? |
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| 04:06.41 | andry | but loaded |
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| 04:07.07 | V^V | Hey! What does Debian use as installer? |
| 04:07.14 | andry | and it is working again if you do this? modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945 |
| 04:07.22 | somiaj | V^V: debian-installer |
| 04:07.24 | Rusty1 | aye, but is that in fact what is the driver when it works, and is it being reloaded (or something else) on resume |
| 04:07.45 | somiaj | V^V: you can also install with debootstrap if you want to do it more manually |
| 04:07.46 | ct0 | intel pro/wireless 3945, kernel driver iwl3945 |
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| 04:08.04 | andry | then add the line i wrote above for the pm-utils |
| 04:08.13 | andry | echo bla > /etc/pm.d blabla |
| 04:08.54 | V^V | somiaj: yah, ty. I just wanted to take a look at teh source code :0 |
| 04:08.56 | V^V | :) |
| 04:10.04 | somiaj | V^V: I think you can get it, it is called debian-installer, and I can look up a irc channel on oftc.net for it if you want |
| 04:10.35 | V^V | somiaj: got it: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut I thought youo used some sort of anaconda |
| 04:10.43 | AmonX | What is a good way to sync files between Windows and Debian (in a dual boot set up), I was going to just create an exfat or fat32 partition and have everything stored there but remembered the differences in EOL. Google suggested unison but that is online only and also suggested a bunch of cloud services |
| 04:11.11 | andry | < kernel upgrade, brb |
| 04:11.14 | ct0 | andry, i doesnt restart |
| 04:11.36 | somiaj | AmonX: exfat seems to be realtively little support. fat32 would be the easiset, but you can use ntfs with ntfs-3g. You can also install an ext2/3/4 driver in windows. |
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| 04:12.00 | andry | done. |
| 04:12.10 | somiaj | AmonX: you could also use some inetnet server to sync to like (dropox like) |
| 04:12.38 | V^V | AmonX: just a regular ntfs partition imho |
| 04:13.05 | V^V | you can also use truecrypt |
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| 04:14.51 | sdegutis | Okay, as long as this laptop boots into X, it's fine. |
| 04:15.05 | V^V | AmonX: you couold also share an VM to boot from one to other machine |
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| 04:16.40 | AmonX | what would be a good way to deal with the EOL differences... what I am trying to do is sync my chat logs and settings between windows and debian |
| 04:17.36 | AmonX | For mainly just pidgin and xchat |
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| 04:18.05 | V^V | those are your options |
| 04:18.13 | andry | https://github.com/hollow/inosync < very cool for syncing on inotify |
| 04:18.57 | V^V | AmonX: I don't think that what you want to do is a very good idea anyway |
| 04:19.27 | V^V | Windows reading and writing directly on your Linux filesystems... I don't know you but that makes me nervous |
| 04:20.57 | AmonX | yeah i know which is why I though of some syncing tool but a lot seem to be cloud like in nature or require booth to be online |
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| 04:22.37 | AmonX | well thank you for your ideas :) |
| 04:23.00 | V^V | AmonX: You could make an script to copy your Linux settings to some Windows dir where your pidgin settings are |
| 04:23.22 | V^V | and then to have these files copied back when starting the app under Linux |
| 04:23.26 | andry | AmonX, i like to live dangerous :D no, i never had problems with that -so far- |
| 04:23.37 | andry | ly |
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| 04:30.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
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| 04:37.29 | AmonX | ownCloud may work hmmm |
| 04:38.19 | andry | i would go for inosync |
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| 04:40.06 | AmonX | But for windows? |
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| 04:41.47 | shawnbon206 | beep boop |
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| 04:41.52 | shawnbon206 | beep bap |
| 04:42.04 | andry | you can mount the configuration in linux and keep using windows as always |
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| 04:42.11 | andry | configuration directory* |
| 04:43.13 | andry | then you dont even need inosync, just mount it and use it as your config dir in linux |
| 04:43.32 | andry | (guess you speak of a dual boot system?) |
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| 04:44.29 | AmonX | That was the quick and dirty solution but wont handle the EOL differences |
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| 04:48.58 | V^V | AmonX: EOL isn't going to change regardless of whatever you use to sync |
| 04:49.04 | V^V | that's something else |
| 04:49.31 | AmonX | i was just wondering if there was a solution out there that handles that :) |
| 04:50.07 | andry | can linux handle the windows eol? |
| 04:50.18 | V^V | you coould write a shell that converts the file to Win EOL and maybe a dat under windows but honestly dont think that wouold be necessary |
| 04:50.25 | V^V | yea |
| 04:51.02 | andry | right, you can use "unix2dos" at shutdown :P but thats a dirty workaround |
| 04:51.21 | V^V | but we are talkingg of pidgin and xchat, the eol is superflous to those apps |
| 04:51.35 | V^V | gtk will handle it whichever way |
| 04:52.21 | shawnbon206 | still like ubuntu or fedora better than mint for winXP refugees. not for myself but for recommending to my friends and family |
| 04:52.36 | AmonX | Those were the first things that came to mind :) |
| 04:52.56 | shawnbon206 | not for me, i use debian |
| 04:53.17 | shawnbon206 | and fedora ;) |
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| 04:53.47 | AmonX | My first Linux distro was Corel Linux which was based on slink... finally got around to using a more up to date distro :) |
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| 04:56.27 | AmonX | I was also hoping to sync more like firefox bookmarks/history/etc |
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| 05:03.07 | shawnbon206 | i put ubuntu on my old iMac and gave it to my gf and she likes it. and to be honest when i am using it i cant find anything I dislike about it other than the minor things which are canceled by something else |
| 05:03.21 | shawnbon206 | still debian is easier to maintain for me |
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| 05:19.07 | andry | ,v inosync |
| 05:19.08 | judd | Package: inosync on i386 -- jessie: 0.2.1-1; sid: 0.2.1-1; squeeze: 0.2.1-1; wheezy: 0.2.1-1 |
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| 05:36.17 | monkwitdafunk | Hi debian channel. I am preparing to use dselect to install packages downloaded by synaptic |
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| 05:41.58 | V^V | good for you |
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| 05:43.11 | average | yeah monkwitdafunk , V^V is right, good for you :) |
| 05:43.49 | monkwitdafunk | Thanks. Manually running dpkg seemed so labourous |
| 05:44.20 | monkwitdafunk | Maybe i can find a way to run a shell script from dselect |
| 05:45.26 | themill | or you could tell us what you're actually trying to do |
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| 05:47.57 | monkwitdafunk | I am using knoppix and i want to usr synaptic and dselect |
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| 05:49.32 | themill | well knoppix support is in #knoppix, but I doubt they're any better at mind reading |
| 05:49.43 | average | hah |
| 05:51.12 | monkwitdafunk | I know. The distro still uses the debian repositories |
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| 05:52.40 | monkwitdafunk | I noticed that gnome disk utility stopped working recently in knoppix 7.2.0. i do not know how i can start with bug tracking |
| 05:52.54 | themill | wrong channel? |
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| 05:55.04 | monkwitdafunk | Ok |
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| 05:55.30 | n3232323322 | o/ |
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| 06:52.11 | monkwitdafunk | Has anyone studied the d-link patch set? is the patch set programmed over debian? |
| 06:53.18 | average | monkwitdafunk: what are you talking about ? |
| 06:53.22 | average | d-link patch set.. |
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| 06:54.59 | wols_ | monkwitdafunk: patch set for what exactly? d-link doesn't make any chipsets you need drivers for |
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| 06:55.17 | monkwitdafunk | I use d-link because the devices i use seem friendly to the enviroment. I also noticed t uses gpl lisenced software |
| 06:55.19 | nashant | Hey guys |
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| 06:56.49 | nashant | I've noticed that my whole ui is unresponsive until the wifi connects, I suspect this is because of the online accounts |
| 06:56.55 | nashant | Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 06:57.16 | wols_ | what online accounts? |
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| 06:58.30 | monkwitdafunk | I guess d-link relys on kernel.org providing low print hardware |
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| 06:59.06 | average | monkwitdafunk: what are you talking about ? |
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| 06:59.37 | osmo_SMS | hello |
| 06:59.40 | osmo_SMS | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libauthen-pam-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 libio-pty-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.14.2 |
| 06:59.42 | osmo_SMS | some help? |
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| 07:00.07 | wols_ | !tell osmo_SMS about bat |
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| 07:04.20 | osmo_SMS | ok... |
| 07:04.21 | osmo_SMS | http://paste.debian.net/91344/ |
| 07:04.22 | osmo_SMS | ? |
| 07:04.24 | JIV | Hey when i use: "ssh -R 19999:localhost:22 user@server" how can i change bind address on remote server? |
| 07:04.51 | JIV | i tried "ssh -R *:19999:localhost:22 user@server" but still on remote binds to 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:05.02 | nashant | wols_: My gmail accounts that I get notifications about |
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| 07:06.08 | wols_ | ,v perl |
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| 07:06.10 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u1; jessie: 5.18.2-2+b1; sid: 5.18.2-2+b1 |
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| 07:07.49 | wols_ | osmo_SMS: there is no perlapi package in wheezy... maybe recreate the package |
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| 07:08.07 | osmo_SMS | Debian GNU/Linux 7.4 (wheezy) Release: 7.4 Codename: wheezy |
| 07:08.13 | osmo_SMS | my vers |
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| 07:08.37 | osmo_SMS | badly |
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| 07:10.13 | osmo_SMS | wols_: maybe can u tell how i can start to recreate the package? |
| 07:10.14 | archangel-amael | osmo_SMS: It's generally best to keep the Kali Linux questions in #kali-linux |
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| 07:11.11 | osmo_SMS | sorry, but is a question about Debian GNU/Linux 7.4 (wheezy) |
| 07:11.27 | osmo_SMS | there i miss the window |
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| 07:13.01 | wols_ | apt-get build-dep <package> apt-get source <package>, edit the debian/rules file to not needing perlapi and then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:13.22 | wols_ | archangel-amael: how do you know he'S using kali? |
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| 07:15.41 | isodude | Hi, does anyone have an idea to why an x540 adapter would be identified with 4294967295 Mbps full duplex. ? This is in a 802.3ad layer3+4 bonding setup |
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| 07:17.07 | archangel-amael | wols_: The same question being asked in other channels. But it appears to be a mistake. So My apologies to osmo_SMS |
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| 07:18.43 | osmo_SMS | wols_: http://s18.postimg.org/amfuwclax/kali.jpg |
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| 07:19.38 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 07:19.39 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 07:19.41 | wols_ | just fyi :) |
| 07:20.13 | osmo_SMS | then i should install centos? |
| 07:20.25 | osmo_SMS | i need a webinterface |
| 07:21.09 | wols_ | using webmin is bad, no matter the distro |
| 07:21.17 | wols_ | !tell osmo_SMS about free whcp |
| 07:21.44 | osmo_SMS | thanks, already visit that link |
| 07:21.54 | osmo_SMS | still don't know what to choise :) |
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| 07:22.08 | wols_ | best would be simply ssh |
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| 07:22.50 | osmo_SMS | maybe. i still want a web :) |
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| 07:32.33 | MotherOfRoot | hey |
| 07:33.25 | MotherOfRoot | how could I establih a traditionnal ssh with my ssh server ? |
| 07:33.34 | colo-work | "traditional ssh"? |
| 07:33.43 | MotherOfRoot | and how to make a ssh server ? |
| 07:33.52 | colo-work | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 07:34.13 | MotherOfRoot | thx and after that where is my server ? |
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| 07:35.53 | bouche_y | is your server located home or somewhere over the internet ? |
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| 07:36.43 | MotherOfRoot | i think its at home |
| 07:37.11 | MotherOfRoot | i understand nothing to ssh server |
| 07:37.23 | MotherOfRoot | do i need a physical server ? |
| 07:37.46 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.30 | andry | user_, do you also need to print the table tag? |
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| 07:40.46 | user_ | thats not important |
| 07:41.04 | user_ | i just need to remove the data from it |
| 07:41.26 | user_ | the empty table wont hurt much if left or i can remove with another method |
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| 07:44.05 | rryoumaa | html2 |
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| 07:44.20 | rryoumaa | is often useful |
| 07:44.29 | andry | something like "awk '/<table>/,/<\/table>/' yourfile" ? |
| 07:44.51 | user_ | thats the inverse f that i want |
| 07:44.55 | user_ | of* |
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| 07:46.15 | user_ | source.file, remove <table> anything KEYWORD anything </table> > destination.file |
| 07:46.30 | user_ | thats what i am trying to do, i just need proper syntax |
| 07:47.07 | andry | ah okay |
| 07:47.07 | andry | sec |
| 07:47.41 | osmo_SMS | ok, last question -> http://paste.debian.net/91356/ :) |
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| 07:48.07 | andry | user_, you can use this awk regex and grep -v it to a new file: |
| 07:48.33 | osmo_SMS | some1 pls? |
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| 07:48.48 | andry | arr second |
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| 07:49.08 | joj | user_: Python's beautifulsoup would be your safest solution as HTML is not safe to parse with just regexes… |
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| 07:49.45 | user_ | i know there are better methods, but i have to work with this. |
| 07:50.34 | user_ | the awk command above will return ALL tables, not ones only with the keyword |
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| 07:56.44 | joltcan | user_: I really second joj's comment, doing this with awk will just take longer time and be error-prone if something changes in the html code |
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| 07:58.25 | rryoumaa | joj: that is an html parser? |
| 07:59.10 | user_ | i know, i have to do it this way. bash only, with only default installed |
| 07:59.22 | joltcan | user_: ah :) |
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| 08:00.38 | cusco | hi... |
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| 08:01.42 | joj | rryoumaa: beautifulsoup is a module built around a XML parser (you can choose from 2 different ones) that provides a mapping of the HTML structure to Python objects. It does its best to sanitize the HTML/XML and produces a best-effort-solution. It is designed to easily navigate and manipulate the object tree and is very widely used and well documented, so I kinda thought: use this instead. |
| 08:01.58 | cusco | I just placed a 4TB disk in a machine .. in cfdisk I create a new partition table, with 4000787.03 MB, write, close open cfdisk again and only a 1801763.78 MB partition is created |
| 08:02.01 | cusco | why? |
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| 08:02.37 | digdilem | cfdisk can't handle very large partitions |
| 08:02.53 | digdilem | see http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fdisk-unable-to-create-partition-greater-2tb.html |
| 08:03.01 | rryoumaa | joj: makes sense |
| 08:03.08 | joj | cusco: the size limit for DOS style partition tables is 2TB AFAIK. You have to use GPT style partition tables for this. |
| 08:03.09 | cusco | ow.. |
| 08:03.12 | cusco | should I use partman ? |
| 08:03.34 | joltcan | cusco: parted, gparted or so could do it |
| 08:03.38 | cusco | that |
| 08:03.41 | cusco | I meant parted |
| 08:03.43 | cusco | right |
| 08:03.43 | joltcan | (I haven't used partman) |
| 08:03.47 | rryoumaa | can gdisk? |
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| 08:04.06 | cusco | now.. any cli front end for parted? like there is cfdisk for fdisk? :p |
| 08:04.12 | rryoumaa | cgdisk* |
| 08:04.24 | cusco | nvm I'll go with parted |
| 08:04.24 | rryoumaa | cusco: ^ |
| 08:04.36 | joltcan | cusco: it's pretty easy to do with parted as well, since it's only one disk it shouldn't be to hard |
| 08:05.17 | rryoumaa | cgdisk worked for me |
| 08:06.05 | joltcan | don't even find that command |
| 08:06.27 | osmo_SMS | hey, some1 can help me to fix this: http://paste.debian.net/91356/ |
| 08:06.29 | osmo_SMS | thanks |
| 08:06.35 | rryoumaa | apt-file can find it |
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| 08:07.47 | joltcan | rryoumaa: right, the packet is gdisk |
| 08:07.52 | joltcan | thanks for the tip |
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| 08:08.43 | joltcan | cusco: so try gdisk/cgdisk |
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| 08:11.41 | z8z | fdisk is too old now and a new code refactoring is being make at the moment to update it to the latest technologies |
| 08:11.49 | z8z | being made |
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| 08:15.54 | wols_ | ,v libapt-pkg-perl |
| 08:15.55 | judd | Package: libapt-pkg-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.24+b1; wheezy: 0.1.26+b1; jessie: 0.1.29+b1; sid: 0.1.29+b1 |
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| 08:16.02 | wols_ | osmo_SMS: can you show us your sources.list? |
| 08:16.14 | osmo_SMS | yes |
| 08:16.19 | osmo_SMS | sec |
| 08:16.22 | wols_ | osmo_SMS: and do not message people unasked :) |
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| 08:18.53 | osmo_SMS | http://paste.debian.net/91361/ |
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| 08:19.46 | osmo_SMS | ah sorry |
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| 08:21.26 | osmo_SMS | http://paste.debian.net/91362/ |
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| 08:24.04 | petn-randall | Is there an easy way to let someone watch over a 'screen' session, and the watching person automatically switches to the same window every time I change it? |
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| 08:25.03 | joj | petn-randall: http://aperiodic.net/screen/multiuser |
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| 08:25.27 | jesther | petn-randall: I doubt it. |
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| 08:27.20 | cusco | thank you joltcan rryoumaa |
| 08:28.07 | jesther | Ah yes of course. |
| 08:28.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell osmo_SMS -about dotdeb |
| 08:28.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell osmo_SMS -about bat |
| 08:29.17 | babilen | osmo_SMS: There is little we can do without seeing the policy for all involved packages. It looks as if one of your third-party packages/repositories broke the packaging system which, as you surely understand, cannot be supported by us. |
| 08:29.53 | osmo_SMS | babilen: i will change soon debian to centos |
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| 08:31.16 | babilen | osmo_SMS: I don't see how that helps us to resolve your issue, but okay. I wish you all the best in RPM land! |
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| 08:46.25 | yezariael | hey all. I would like to limit a process' RAM usage, but it should be allowed to use swap space as much as it wants. is that possible? |
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| 08:47.37 | petn-randall | joj: Do have an idea how to make the session "follow"? I've got the other person on my screen session, but if I change to another screen, the person doesn't automatically change to my current one. |
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| 08:48.43 | joj | joj: sorry, no, I'm a tmux user. |
| 08:48.58 | petn-randall | s/joj/petn-randall/ |
| 08:49.00 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 08:49.16 | joj | petn-randall: just wanted to fix that. But that's how it is. |
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| 08:54.46 | zafu | wtf, I get "MAKEDEV not installed, skipping device node creation" when installing fuse ? |
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| 08:57.57 | jelly | zafu: this is normal. fuse package still has provisions to run on systems with a static /dev directory, what you're seeing is an attempt to use that bit of code |
| 08:58.25 | zafu | but I'm running udev, how is it confused? |
| 08:59.02 | jelly | it does not check whether you're using udev or not and tried to create the node anyway |
| 08:59.03 | petn-randall | zafu: It's not. It's merely giving feedback that you're not using MAKEDEV. |
| 08:59.31 | jelly | zafu: it's a cosmetic bug |
| 08:59.33 | zafu | ah right |
| 08:59.45 | zafu | thanks |
| 09:00.12 | jelly | arguably it ought to just keep quiet on an udev system |
| 09:00.35 | jelly | udev's been the norm since at least Debian 5 |
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| 09:21.13 | mexx | Hello |
| 09:22.19 | average | hi mexx , what's new ? |
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| 09:24.45 | mexx | I'm experiencing some hangs at boot and shutdown under wheezy during the alsa-utils script when it calls alsactl store or restore with a sound card identified as "Intel CougarPoint HDMI". I have to send the SIGINT signal using Ctrl+Sys key combination so that the system will boot. Once it has started, issuing the very same alsactl commands will work flawlessly. What could cause this ? |
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| 09:40.07 | ChrisH | Is there a way to confirm which module is attached to usb 046a:000 (expected usbhid) |
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| 09:43.52 | emss | mexx ChrisH try `dmesg' |
| 09:44.03 | emss | ChrisH |
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| 09:46.07 | emss | ChrisH `lspci -v' |
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| 09:48.32 | ChrisH | emss: none of both state usbhid (they indicate it, but I do not see the module name) lsusb -s 002:006 -v see http://paste.debian.net/91381/ |
| 09:48.34 | Shadur | ARGH. I'm working with mpm_itk and for some reason it's not honoring AssignUserID -- php scripts run as the file owner rather than the assigned ID. Apache claims the syntax is okay, and mpm_itk_module /is/ in the list (and it's the only MPM in the list) when I check for it. What could I be doing wrong? |
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| 09:50.06 | Shadur | ... In fact, just using the standard ---default debian vhost, assignuserid www-data www-data, then creating a php file owned by root in /var/www containing "<?php print get_current_user()' ?>" returns 'root'. |
| 09:50.12 | Shadur | Er, 000-default |
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| 09:50.36 | Shadur | So either I've found a serious security bug or I'm missing something basic. |
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| 09:51.27 | emss | ChrisH try with only `lspci -v' |
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| 09:56.25 | ChrisH | emss: there I see "Kernel driver in use" but the keyboard is USB attached not PCI attached and does not show up here. |
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| 10:00.22 | themill | ChrisH: poking around in /sys/bus/usb/ for long enough normally tells you |
| 10:01.00 | ChrisH | themill: I hoped to get around that... then test-rebooting might be faster :) |
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| 10:03.37 | ChrisH | ls -rtl /sys/bus/usb/ ; then ls -l last-two-entries/driver confirmed usbhid |
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| 10:07.19 | emss | ChrisH `lsusb -t' |
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| 10:12.57 | nyuu | I'm installing debian, is there any sort of rule of thumb for what version of stable/testing/unstable/experimental you should use? |
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| 10:13.09 | nyuu | I know that experimental is "do you like fixing stuff?" |
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| 10:13.45 | Anuska | Hi, what version of kernel have now debian? |
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| 10:17.35 | nkuttler | nyuu: stable |
| 10:17.46 | nyuu | which version of debian are you asking about, anuska? |
| 10:18.02 | Anuska | i want to install debian |
| 10:18.06 | nyuu | nkuttler: When would you use unstable or testing? |
| 10:18.08 | Anuska | for desktop |
| 10:18.16 | nkuttler | nyuu: if you havet to ask, never |
| 10:18.37 | Anuska | i have ubuntu installed, but the firefox crashed a lot of time |
| 10:18.44 | Anuska | and i want to install debian |
| 10:18.45 | nkuttler | Anuska: stable has 3.2.0 |
| 10:19.00 | Anuska | in ubuntu i have 3.13.0-21 |
| 10:19.05 | nkuttler | Anuska: so? |
| 10:19.20 | gcbirzan | linux-image-3.14-rc7-amd64 - Linux 3.14-rc7 for 64-bit PCs |
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| 10:19.44 | nyuu | nkuttler: When would you use unstable or testing? |
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| 10:19.59 | nkuttler | nyuu: if i had to ask, never |
| 10:19.59 | nyuu | Seriously, don't just say "if you have to ask, never". |
| 10:20.01 | Anuska | what is the best way? |
| 10:20.25 | nyuu | nkuttler: I'm trying to LEARN, here, not decide whether or not to use it. |
| 10:20.26 | nkuttler | nyuu: no, seriously, install stable. learn about debian. when you know the basics decide if you want something different |
| 10:20.55 | Anuska | in ubuntu |
| 10:20.56 | gcbirzan | I've even had testing break horribly on upgrade, so |
| 10:21.01 | Anuska | i have some problem with vmware |
| 10:21.03 | nkuttler | nyuu: if you don't care AT ALL if the box works or not, you can go testing/sid |
| 10:21.14 | gcbirzan | unless you're confident enough to be able to fix it, I would stay away from it |
| 10:21.30 | nyuu | nkuttler: what's the difference between testing and unstable, then? |
| 10:21.38 | nkuttler | nyuu: they break differently |
| 10:22.00 | nkuttler | !tell nyuu about testing |
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| 10:22.02 | nkuttler | !tell nyuu about sid |
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| 10:22.59 | Anuska | :( |
| 10:23.03 | Anuska | what i need to do |
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| 10:23.18 | nkuttler | Anuska: if you need help with ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:23.21 | petn-randall | Anuska: Neither Ubuntu nor vmware are supported in Debian. If you have a Debian-related question though, feel free to ask. |
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| 10:23.28 | emss | Anuska try the live cd for debian |
| 10:24.03 | Anuska | yes |
| 10:24.13 | Anuska | i have first debian on my computer |
| 10:24.19 | Anuska | i formast and install ubuntu |
| 10:24.29 | Anuska | and have the same problem with vmware.. not run |
| 10:25.25 | Anuska | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.4-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 10:25.34 | emss | Anuska try running it from a terminal and see what happens |
| 10:25.55 | Anuska | this is the iso no? |
| 10:26.19 | Nik05 | well thats the one with live and gnome on it |
| 10:26.37 | Anuska | I want to install him |
| 10:26.43 | Anuska | Classic Gnome |
| 10:26.50 | Anuska | is the best :) |
| 10:26.50 | Nik05 | if you dont need live and dont need the hole gnome stuff, you can also use a netinstall |
| 10:27.12 | Anuska | this is the least debian? |
| 10:27.46 | rvdv | Seems there is need for gnome stuff ,,, this is the latest "stable" |
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| 10:28.25 | rvdv | burn on CD or write to USB and try |
| 10:28.36 | Anuska | yes that i do now |
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| 10:28.53 | Anuska | like more debian |
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| 10:29.57 | ChrisH | emss: hmm... you are right. I tried that and overlooked the driver= Part. Thanks! |
| 10:30.54 | nyuu | so, I think I understand: Experimental is a testbed, stuff in there may never reach unstable/testing/stable. Unstable is for stuff that's here to stay, but buggy, Stable is meant to be the end of the line, and there shouldn't be bugs to patch in stable in the first place (?). What's the difference between Unstable/Testing? Is it "Unstable=big bugs, Testing = small/hard-to-notice bugs"? |
| 10:31.41 | nkuttler | nyuu: you haven't read the wiki page yet |
| 10:32.05 | nyuu | nkuttler: I did, unless you're talking about a specific page? |
| 10:32.16 | emss | nyuu they do not all get security updates |
| 10:32.27 | nkuttler | nyuu: well then you should know how packages enter testing, that's the difference |
| 10:32.28 | nyuu | security updates? |
| 10:32.48 | nkuttler | what happens because of that is never the same, breakage is always new, unexpected fun |
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| 10:34.34 | Anuska | Do not reboot linux ! DO LOVE WITH HIM. |
| 10:34.44 | Anuska | First ! |
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| 10:43.39 | nyuu | What's the actual definition of "rolling release", or more specifically, when they say "Ubuntu isn't a rolling release", what's the difference? Is it just that Ubuntu releases the vast majority of its packages all in one bunch, whereas Debian releases them more spread out? Or have I missed something? |
| 10:44.07 | bazhang | get the new all the time |
| 10:44.16 | bazhang | like ARCH |
| 10:44.43 | nyuu | With a rolling release, barring crashes, when would you need to restart? Do you need to restart the computer to update the kernel? |
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| 10:45.37 | bazhang | never found out, ARCH crashed too much for me |
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| 10:46.13 | mexx | bye |
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| 10:46.27 | Procy0n | nyuu, of course |
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| 10:47.18 | nkuttler | nyuu: debian doesn't have a rolling release, you should ask a distro who does |
| 10:47.44 | bazhang | #archlinux would be a good place to ask nyuu |
| 10:47.48 | nyuu | nkuttler: WHAT? |
| 10:47.59 | nyuu | Debian doesn't have a rolling release? |
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| 10:48.20 | nkuttler | !tell nyuu about rolling |
| 10:48.23 | nyuu | I thought it did, but Ubuntu didn't. |
| 10:49.54 | babilen | nyuu: Use tools such as checkrestart on Debian to decide which services/processes to restart and if you have to reboot. Kernel updates are one of the occasions when a reboot is necessary. |
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| 10:50.44 | nyuu | babilen: What other occasions usually require a restart? I'm guessing Xorg/Weston, is that right? |
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| 10:51.03 | babilen | libc6 comes to mind |
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| 10:51.29 | nkuttler | nyuu: for xorg/weston reloading kernel modules might be necessary |
| 10:51.37 | babilen | Xorg wouldn't necessarily require a restart |
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| 10:51.45 | nkuttler | though then you probably got a new kernel.. |
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| 10:52.58 | babilen | And there is nothing bad about restarting your personal system often to ensure: 1. That all processes are using current libraries and 2. The system boots without problems -- *especially* if you track testing or unstable. |
| 10:53.46 | nyuu | babilen: I just like the idea of never having to restart my computer. |
| 10:54.24 | babilen | nyuu: Why? |
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| 10:54.59 | nyuu | babilen: I hate waiting for it to boot up, I hate having to close and re-open stuff, especially firefox with multiple windows open. |
| 10:55.06 | babilen | I mean, sure .. it would be nice to never have to, but it's not particularly harrowing either |
| 10:56.07 | nyuu | This probably won't make sense out of context: how many debian developers would be running Stable? |
| 10:56.27 | babilen | My system reboots in a few seconds and I've never felt especially inconvenienced that I have to reboot once in a while after upgrading the system. And I can make informed decisions about this by using checkrestart .. |
| 10:57.56 | nyuu | babilen: Currently using W7 on my laptop and have been for the last few years, due to BIOS password. I've only switched to Linux since I got my own desktop a few months ago. I said "I like the idea", although mostly I'm just confused because I've seen "debian is rolling release" repeatedly. |
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| 10:59.03 | BradPJ | nyuu: Rolling release means that you never have to reinstall the desktop. Stable is NOT rolling. Sid/Unstable and Jessie/Testing are rolling release. |
| 10:59.24 | wols_ | debian is not really a rolling release |
| 10:59.27 | nyuu | BradPJ: That makes more sense. |
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| 11:00.24 | babilen | It doesn't make sense to discuss this without defining "rolling release" as there are many different senses in which this word can be used. (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release ) |
| 11:00.47 | nyuu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release#Debian-related more specifically. |
| 11:01.54 | babilen | "stable" is, by virtue of it "not changing", definitely not rolling and neither testing nor unstable are releases. As testing (and by extension also sid) are cyclicly frozen and are also not considered to be "releases" it wouldn't be correct to call them that |
| 11:02.02 | nyuu | Most of what I know about debian comes from one guy, who happens to be a debian developer. This explains why he was somehow running a more recent kernel version (3.13?) than Ubuntu, I think - if debian developers usually run unstable/testing on their main desktop. |
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| 11:03.07 | babilen | If, however, you only care about "is changing" then, yes, testing and unstable are that. Everybody should keep in mind that "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" and that it has *nothing* to do with "usable" or "bug free" |
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| 11:04.21 | nyuu | Dammit, I just want kernel version 3.13 and more recent mesa versions, without breaking away from the repository. |
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| 11:04.34 | cff | Why is cacert.org CA root ceritificate NOT included in Debian anymore? |
| 11:04.47 | BradPJ | nyuu: Custom kernels are very easy to do, you could get 3.14 if you wanted, without any repository changes. |
| 11:04.49 | nkuttler | nyuu: why do you need a newer kernel? there are backports, and a kernel is simple enough to build |
| 11:04.50 | babilen | nyuu: Debian also offers backports of commonly used packages so that it is easy for users to, say, upgrade Iceweasel (from http://mozilla.debian.net ) or the kernel to a new version |
| 11:05.16 | jelly | cff: https://lwn.net/Articles/590879/ |
| 11:05.20 | babilen | 3.13 is in backports, but so far I haven't really seen a problem we are trying to solve ;) |
| 11:05.25 | wols_ | nyuu: kernel is never a problem, wheezy-backports even has 3.13. new mesa however is |
| 11:05.56 | wols_ | nyuu: so what do you need a new mesa for? |
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| 11:07.46 | nyuu | wols_: Graphics card. AFAIK, all the newer radeon stuff is being released for the later mesa versions (not too sure of this, I'm a bit out of my depth here), and my graphics card is ~5 months old (R9 270X, was first released Oct 2013) |
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| 11:08.40 | wols_ | your r9-270x is almost 2 years olt |
| 11:08.42 | myfriend | Where can I find the plugins directory for google chrome on debian |
| 11:08.46 | myfriend | I need to install flash |
| 11:08.52 | wols_ | it's the same chip as a 7870 |
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| 11:09.23 | nyuu | wols_; You'd think it has the same support, but it doesn't. |
| 11:09.28 | BradPJ | myfriend: Have you installed google chrome, or chromium? |
| 11:09.41 | myfriend | BradPJ, chromium |
| 11:09.58 | babilen | myfriend: You can either install flashplugin-nonfree or pepperflashplugin-nonfree if you want to install flash on Debian. The latter is in wheezy-backports/contrib and the former in main/contrib |
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| 11:10.36 | BradPJ | myfriend: Ah right, Google chrome comes with flash in-built. You can get that version in chromium using pepperflash which is up to date. Not sure how to install, haven't installed that in Debian. |
| 11:10.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell myfriend about flash |
| 11:10.51 | myfriend | babilen, I can't find that package |
| 11:11.11 | babilen | BradPJ: You just install the pepperflashplugin-nonfree which will download Chrome, extract pepperflash and sets it up for chromium. |
| 11:11.15 | jelly | dpkg: cacert is also these certificates were removed from Debian in March 2014 due to #718434, see https://lwn.net/Articles/590879/ article for a decent explanation |
| 11:11.16 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 11:11.16 | babilen | myfriend: Which package? |
| 11:11.33 | myfriend | apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 11:12.40 | BradPJ | babilen: Thanks, I don't actually have any need for flash in Debian, I only use it in a virtual machine, my host has flash. Thanks though, was unaware it was in the repos |
| 11:12.41 | babilen | myfriend: yes, you have to enable backports for it. Use a sources.list such as (or exactly!) : http://paste.debian.net/91392 and run "apt-get update" -- then install it with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree" |
| 11:13.05 | babilen | myfriend: Which is why I mentioned that it is in backports/contrib |
| 11:13.13 | nyuu | I'm working off stuff my debian-developer said (ubuntu takes snapshot of debian when it releases a new version, but the snapshot can be 6 months out of date, compared to debian - debian is more up to date than ubuntu, but debian will be way less user-friendly than ubuntu/mint if you haven't used linux before) |
| 11:14.29 | BradPJ | nyuu: Ubuntu LTS uses a Debian Testing snapshot and Ubuntu normal releases use a Debian Unstable I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The newest version of Ubuntu generally always has newer packages than the current Debian Stable. |
| 11:14.42 | nyuu | debian-developer friend*. Basically, I'm just assuming he knows what he's talking about, and hoping everything works out while I fumble my way through. Also, asking newbie questions on IRC helps. |
| 11:14.42 | nkuttler | nyuu: it sounds like your developer friend wanted you to install testing/unstable.. |
| 11:15.12 | nkuttler | nyuu: you should probably ask him to install debian on your box.. #debian really only supports stable |
| 11:15.45 | nkuttler | nyuu: there is #debian-next on the oftc irc network though for testing/sid support |
| 11:15.53 | nyuu | nkuttler: And you think that would be a bad idea? I don't think he actually recommended I install debian, in fact we were specifically avoiding it (on a related note, fuck Realtek with a stick) |
| 11:16.23 | BradPJ | nyuu: How new are you to Linux? Will this be your first install? |
| 11:16.31 | nkuttler | nyuu: well, it depends on your card. i'd expect it to be usable on stable |
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| 11:16.41 | nyuu | nkuttler: Just to clarify, "and you think that would be a bad idea" was meant to be a question, not a challenge/slap-in-face. |
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| 11:16.54 | nkuttler | nyuu: if you want stuff like dual head, 3d acceleration or such, it might get trickier |
| 11:17.00 | wols_ | nyuu: what PCI ID does your videocard have? |
| 11:17.34 | wols_ | the only thing you'd want 3.13 is for power saving in 2D mode with radeon. install fglrx and it's no issue for example |
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| 11:18.13 | nyuu | BradPJ: I know what lspci and grep is, I'm having trouble with partitioning, and I'm mostly looking into debian because Mint crashed and won't boot for no apparent reason, and I wanted to install debian at some point anyway. |
| 11:19.10 | BradPJ | nyuu: For now I think I would recommend Stable over testing/unstable, testing/unstable are a lot more open to problems since the software is always undergoing change, and of course testing. |
| 11:19.39 | BradPJ | nyuu: Saying that, experiencing problems could help you learn a lot more about Linux very quickly. |
| 11:19.43 | nyuu | Come to think of it: There's something called S3TC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Texture_Compression ) that's half of the problem with running anything on my graphics cards - how would I find out if Debian supports that? |
| 11:20.03 | BradPJ | nyuu: At the end of the day it is your personal choice which version to run, just be aware of the potential issues with each. |
| 11:20.17 | spinningcompass | After a wifi connection is configured via NetworkManager, will the connection be initiated at boot-up, or must I do it manually after entering the GUI (GNOME)? |
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| 11:20.34 | nyuu | BradPJ: That's half of the reason why I wanted to install debian. The other half being newer packages, running faster, and not being Ubuntu. |
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| 11:22.00 | BradPJ | nyuu: Nothing wrong with Ubuntu to be honest, but since you are against that I won't go there. Debian Stable will NOT give you the newer packages you are after, so testing may be the best option for you. As long as you aware of potential breakage. |
| 11:23.25 | nyuu | BradPJ: "Nothing wrong with Ubuntu" - Except Unity, perhaps. Not a fan of Unity. I'm not particularly against it, debian just seemed to be more of an attractive choice because hey, newer kernel is shiny. |
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| 11:23.44 | nyuu | If I were to go with Testing, how often would I expect it to break? |
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| 11:24.55 | nyuu | how often should* |
| 11:25.14 | nyuu | like, daily? |
| 11:25.36 | BradPJ | nyuu: Generally not often. Any big issues will normally be found in Unstable. Most likely you won't encounter any issues. It is just possible is all. I'm running Arch Linux as my host which normally has the newest packages. In ~1 Year I've had no issues. Testing I am running in a VM (not for that long however) and have seen no issues. |
| 11:25.39 | nyuu | more when I do stuff other than use firefox? Every time I get a new package? |
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| 11:26.38 | nyuu | How much newer are the packages in Testing? |
| 11:26.46 | nyuu | Wait, let me google that |
| 11:27.11 | shingouz | nyuu: to be on the safe side, install apt-listbugs and read the incoming bugreports before actually confirming the install. |
| 11:27.21 | nkuttler | nyuu: if you don't need the box for work testing is fine |
| 11:28.25 | nyuu | !tell nyuu about help |
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| 11:32.04 | nyuu | any recommendations on what DE to use? |
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| 11:32.35 | nyuu | recommendations = opinions, so there are no wrong answers except "KDE". |
| 11:32.48 | nyuu | ...and KDE isn't a wrong answer either |
| 11:33.07 | shingouz | nyuu: whatever you feel like. including KDE |
| 11:33.34 | nyuu | shingouz: Only ever used KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon, and Unity.' |
| 11:33.39 | wols_ | !start a DE war |
| 11:33.39 | dpkg | KDE sucks! |
| 11:33.48 | wols_ | see? dpkg agrees |
| 11:34.18 | wols_ | nyuu: debian is agnostic and you can install all of them at the same time provided you have the space |
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| 11:35.41 | nyuu | wols_: Except Cinnamon. Also, LMDE seems to break on my computer. So does just about everything but Kali Linux though, come to think of it. |
| 11:36.09 | nyuu | And Mint. Mint runs okay, but no USB2. Still haven't worked out why. |
| 11:36.20 | shingouz | this is not kali... :p |
| 11:36.30 | nyuu | what's not Kali? |
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| 11:36.56 | SynrG | shingouz: read the backlog for context |
| 11:36.57 | shingouz | debian |
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| 11:37.29 | nyuu | I found the name hilarious (http://spelunky.wikia.com/wiki/Altar), given that it's for penetration testing. |
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| 11:38.31 | grok | nyuu, i used the old lmde for a long time, but switched to debian when the new lmde came out, for the reasons you mention. debian wheezy (stable) has been a very nice experience. just my 2cents. |
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| 11:39.43 | doebi | where do screenshots of gnome-screenshots saved? i cant find them in ~/Pictures/ |
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| 11:40.51 | dadrian | hello, im getting this error "RewriteMap: file for map myquery not found:/etc/apache2/dbd:SELEC... " when i try to use RewriteMap with apache tho mod_dbd and rewrite mods are loaded, am i missing a package ? |
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| 11:41.57 | Leoneof | how to tell reprepro to remove old versions of packages? |
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| 11:42.13 | Anuska | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 11:42.13 | Anuska | Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE |
| 11:42.13 | Anuska | library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated |
| 11:42.13 | Anuska | FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at |
| 11:42.13 | Anuska | http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 11:42.22 | Anuska | sorry |
| 11:42.35 | Anuska | http://paste.debian.net/91397/ |
| 11:42.53 | nyuu | there's also dpaste.com |
| 11:43.12 | Anuska | need to add in fstab no? |
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| 11:45.17 | joltcan | Anuska: you can if you want to. Maybe you want to read more at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G |
| 11:45.31 | nyuu | does debian come with a DE by default? |
| 11:45.40 | joltcan | nyuu: What is a DE? |
| 11:45.53 | nyuu | joltcan: Desktop environment. |
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| 11:46.18 | joltcan | nyuu: you can select one at installation |
| 11:47.05 | nyuu | I'm running debian live. Come to think of it, I don't know how to install it. brb. |
| 11:47.27 | joltcan | nyuu: xfce might be installed by default |
| 11:47.52 | SynrG | nyuu: yes. gnome3 |
| 11:48.05 | wols_ | nyuu: at the end of the installatin, debian runs a small program called "tasksel". there you can choose to install a DE: which DE is installed there depends on the installmedium you chose. gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, all exist |
| 11:48.16 | SynrG | nyuu: however, there are different ones available from the netinst. you can just select which one you want. |
| 11:48.35 | wols_ | or you don't install any of them there and install stuff later |
| 11:48.50 | wols_ | and you can always run tasksel again too if you really want that |
| 11:48.57 | SynrG | there's a menu advanced boot options for the netinst, i think? i forget. |
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| 11:49.07 | SynrG | !install xfce |
| 11:49.07 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 11:49.14 | SynrG | yeah. like that :) |
| 11:49.59 | chagall | eix |
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| 11:53.33 | abailarri | Hello. I have a vps server with postfix and dovecot and misterously, not works. I not recibe any email and I can't send. I'm seeing the logs and are empty |
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| 11:54.24 | joltcan | abailarri: you can probably start by doing a dpkg-reconfigure postfix and see if it is configured to receive mail |
| 11:54.45 | abailarri | joltcan, yesterday the email works fine |
| 11:54.50 | abailarri | Today, no |
| 11:55.32 | joltcan | abailarri: Ah, sounds like the domain name might be your issue then. Does the MX record point to the correct host? |
| 11:55.42 | abailarri | yes |
| 11:55.56 | joltcan | abailarri: does postfix listen to the correct port? Can you telnet to port 25 and send an email manually? |
| 11:56.00 | abailarri | I have working with this email some days |
| 11:56.06 | abailarri | about 20 days working fine |
| 11:56.27 | joltcan | abailarri: http://drewsymo.com/2013/11/how-to-telnet-to-an-smtp-server-with-examples/ |
| 11:56.46 | abailarri | joltcan, I do nmap and I see the 25 port opened |
| 11:57.14 | joltcan | abailarri: try and send an email via telnet to verify that postfix works |
| 11:58.46 | joltcan | abailarri: you don't need to do the login part, just try EHLO foo, then continue at MAIL FROM |
| 11:58.57 | nyuu | would it be possible to use a livebooted debian stable to troubleshoot my non-booting Mint? |
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| 11:59.37 | joltcan | abailarri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTP#SMTP_transport_example |
| 12:00.18 | nyuu | ...actually, that's more of a "how", I guess. Does liveboot even have a filesystem? Surely it wouldn't be related to Mint's. |
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| 12:00.43 | joltcan | nyuu: I guess it will just use part of memory as filesystem, so you could still mount your regular drive someplace |
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| 12:00.58 | abailarri | joltcan, when says EHLO drew, what is drew? |
| 12:01.01 | joltcan | and chroot /someplace and then use the command |
| 12:01.08 | joltcan | abailarri: just a name, say anything |
| 12:01.24 | joltcan | abailarri: or look at the wikipedia link instead |
| 12:02.18 | grok | nyuu, or just use a live mint if you're more familiar with that. |
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| 12:03.55 | petn-randall | abailarri: What does the postfix log say? You'll surely have the error messages in there. |
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| 12:05.10 | abailarri | petn-randall, the postfix logs are mail.log, mail.err? |
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| 12:05.19 | abailarri | Because I have this los empty |
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| 12:06.24 | grok | nyuu, and if your booting problems are grub related, you might want to have a look at this: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/245 |
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| 12:09.47 | abailarri | joltcan, the EHLO drew, the drew is the server host? |
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| 12:11.29 | joltcan | abailarri: do "telnet localhost 25" on the server, type "EHLO abailarri", then "MAIL FROM: <abailarri@test.com>" etc |
| 12:11.29 | abhvym | hello |
| 12:11.59 | abhvym | i try to modify custome debian iso using debian live tool on your webiset. i installed apt-get install xorg but i do not have /etc/xorg.conf |
| 12:12.12 | abhvym | it says its using /usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 12:12.17 | abhvym | but there is also no xorg.conf |
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| 12:12.21 | abhvym | how do i set it? |
| 12:12.22 | abhvym | help |
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| 12:12.50 | petn-randall | abailarri: Yes. |
| 12:12.54 | Brigo | abhvym, normally it is not needed. |
| 12:13.06 | Brigo | abhvym, if you want it, you can create it. |
| 12:13.24 | abhvym | Brigo, i need to disable screen saver and screen auto blanking. howtos on net says i need to do it in xorg.conf |
| 12:13.35 | abailarri | ok. Now, I need to put the command AUTH LOGIN? |
| 12:13.42 | abhvym | Brigo, if i create it manually will X know to pick it up? |
| 12:13.48 | joltcan | abailarri: no, skip that, jump to MAIL FROM |
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| 12:14.04 | petn-randall | coughs and points to 'swaks'. |
| 12:14.08 | Brigo | abhvym, if you create it in the correct place, yes. |
| 12:14.21 | abhvym | brightkill, /etc/xorg.conf |
| 12:14.22 | abhvym | ? |
| 12:14.38 | abhvym | Brigo, ^ |
| 12:15.36 | Brigo | for example, but man xorg.conf will show you a lot more if you need them. |
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| 12:16.28 | abhvym | ok |
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| 12:17.28 | abailarri | joltcan, I don't understat this: |
| 12:17.34 | abailarri | To signify that you have finished writing the email body, enter a** single period .** on a** single line**, and hit enter. |
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| 12:18.24 | joltcan | abailarri: just do that. type "." and press enter |
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| 12:20.42 | petn-randall | abailarri, joltcan, don't use telnet, use swaks for this. And the *first* thing should be checking the log file. |
| 12:21.17 | abailarri | petn-randall, my mail logs file are empty! |
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| 12:24.17 | abailarri | petn-randall, I stopped amavis service and now I can send mail |
| 12:24.21 | abailarri | but not recibe |
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| 12:26.50 | petn-randall | abailarri: Then find out why postfix doesn't log anything at all. Is it running? |
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| 12:27.07 | abailarri | petn-randall, yes postfix is running |
| 12:27.17 | abailarri | I started and restarted many times manually |
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| 12:27.31 | abailarri | yesterday all works fine |
| 12:27.36 | abailarri | today not works any |
| 12:28.00 | joltcan | abailarri: don't you have anything in the logs now? |
| 12:28.45 | abailarri | no |
| 12:28.46 | petn-randall | abailarri: You already said that, I know. Is rsyslog running? |
| 12:29.58 | abailarri | petn-randall, yes |
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| 12:31.53 | BeWilled | Hi, something really weird just happened. I was extracting something to my USB memory, and all of the sudden the transfer progress bar reduced its constant speed followed by a system crash. When booting back up, my laptop's touchpad stopped working (currently on debian jessie) |
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| 12:34.45 | Anuska | :(( |
| 12:34.49 | Anuska | vmware not work in debian |
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| 12:35.11 | linuxthefish | why is mysql start thing bugged? |
| 12:35.18 | linuxthefish | do i need report bug or already done? |
| 12:35.43 | linuxthefish | [FAIL] Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 12:35.44 | linuxthefish | [ ok ] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running. |
| 12:36.40 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Sounds like to changed the MySQL user, so the init script can't shut down the MySQL server. |
| 12:36.46 | petn-randall | s/to/you/ |
| 12:37.07 | viscera | is that even debian? |
| 12:37.11 | linuxthefish | when i do killall mysqld i can start again |
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| 12:37.17 | Anuska | :(( |
| 12:37.18 | linuxthefish | yes debian, debian 7... |
| 12:37.36 | linuxthefish | [ ok ] Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 12:37.36 | linuxthefish | [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 12:37.38 | themill | you'd need to check the logs to find out why it failed. |
| 12:37.40 | linuxthefish | and all log empty |
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| 12:38.10 | mazzanet | syslog? |
| 12:38.29 | linuxthefish | i'll try, but also in when i installed mysql it said this: |
| 12:38.29 | linuxthefish | 140403 14:27:09 InnoDB: Error: io_setup() failed with EAGAIN after 5 attempts. |
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| 12:40.33 | Anuska | http://askubuntu.com/questions/442750/starting-mysql-database-server-mysqld-failed-debian |
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| 12:41.16 | Anuska | ups wrong link |
| 12:41.29 | linuxthefish | wait nvm it's started now :D |
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| 12:41.40 | linuxthefish | idk what went wrong, but it's still got error but working |
| 12:41.41 | linuxthefish | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 12:41.55 | Anuska | >> http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=529 |
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| 12:43.33 | linuxthefish | can i put root details into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ? |
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| 12:44.32 | Fuorilegge | hi. i have 1 question about adduser and useradd. i have noticed if I create an user with adduser he can receive mail, if i create it with useradd postfix doesn't recognized him (even if CREATE_MAIL_SPOOL=yes) |
| 12:44.54 | linuxthefish | ok root fixed :D thanks all |
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| 12:45.13 | Fuorilegge | there's a way to let an user create with useradd to receive mail? |
| 12:45.19 | bouche_y | Fuorilegge: mail group ? |
| 12:46.14 | Fuorilegge | bouche_y: i have already some users not in mail group that can receive mails |
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| 12:47.07 | bouche_y | hum ok |
| 12:47.14 | bouche_y | do you really have to use useradd ? |
| 12:47.21 | abailarri | petn-randall, If I not have any message in the mail logs, what can I do? First I need to see the logs to resolve the email problem |
| 12:47.34 | musca | Fuorilegge: adduser uses useradd to create the user, so useradd is the lowlevel tool. |
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| 12:48.49 | Fuorilegge | bouche_y: i'm running a php script to create user (ok, not one of the best idea but i'm doing it) and with useradd i can specify -p inside the command to create password, wmeanwhile adduser ask the password to be insert by shell... |
| 12:49.02 | Fuorilegge | maybe i should study how let adduser work from php |
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| 12:50.39 | Fuorilegge | if anyone knows how to do this... :) |
| 12:50.54 | gudron | hey guys; this is more of a general linux question but i`m not sure where to ask it anywhere. i`m working with ipv6 link local addresses and when i ssh i add the %eth0 to the address, but not all programs support that; is there any way to specify for a link local address which interface it can be found on directly? |
| 12:51.56 | gudron | so that whenever a specific fe80:... address is used, the program knows to use eth0 directly? |
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| 12:52.43 | bouche_y | Fuorilegge: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94060/run-adduser-non-interactively |
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| 12:58.43 | Fuorilegge | bouche_y: yes this is interesting, but i need a password on users... so if I run passwd username i have still to insert the password (twitce). there is no way to let useradd the way is meant to be (create users that can read mail) |
| 12:58.56 | Fuorilegge | ? |
| 12:59.08 | Fuorilegge | (sorry for my bad english, it's not my first language) |
| 12:59.09 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have a dynamic libraries question. The system is linux. I have an application that opens a shared library and run some functions from it. How can I from the shared library figure out what version of the application is calling me? I have control of the source of the library and some version of the application. |
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| 13:02.31 | redShadow | hi! ..which network configurator do you use, on laptops..? |
| 13:03.17 | redShadow | I'm currently using wicd, but it is giving me random issues on jessie.. |
| 13:03.48 | redShadow | like, failing to configure wired network or randomly failing to connect to wifi, with no apparent reason.. |
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| 13:04.33 | redShadow | (I just had to configure eth0 manually...) |
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| 13:05.18 | somiaj | redShadow: I use /etc/network/interfaces for all my network configuration and don't use a network-manager |
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| 13:05.42 | somiaj | redShadow: that beign said, you did say you are running jessie, if it is really doing what you say it is doing, that sounds like a bug. Maybe check the bts and see if others have ran across that issue |
| 13:05.52 | redShadow | somiaj: yeah, but what about laptops? I constantly need to switch network configuration, using interfaces is a pain.. |
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| 13:06.21 | redShadow | ('f course on servers I use interfaces..) |
| 13:06.58 | redShadow | somiaj: might be, the most annoying thing is I'm not able to get any detailed information on what exactly is failing.. I just get timeouts |
| 13:07.03 | GuestO1102 | can sb tell me how i can delete repos from apt-get?? |
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| 13:07.28 | somiaj | redShadow: you can use alais names. 'ifup wlan0=home', 'ifup wlan0=work', 'ifup wlan0=friends_house' I use stuff like that. |
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| 13:08.00 | somiaj | GuestO1102: why do you want to do that? What repos were you adding that you don't want any more. Anyways this is all controled via the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 13:08.35 | somiaj | redShadow: so I only have to add a new alias for a new network the first time. Once I do that the info stays in my interfaces file for the next time I need it |
| 13:08.39 | redShadow | somiaj: didn't know about that, yeah, it might be a way, though it would still require adding interfaces configuration each time I want to connect to a new network.. |
| 13:09.57 | somiaj | redShadow: I would look at how to debug wicd, you know it does have very detail logs. see if those help. |
| 13:10.26 | redShadow | somiaj: nothing interesting in the logs, it just seems to wait forever until it gets timed out.. |
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| 13:10.34 | redShadow | :( |
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| 13:10.59 | redShadow | I'm not even 100% sure it's wicd to blame, might be something else as well.. |
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| 13:11.27 | somiaj | redShadow: sure it is a wicd problem and not flaky wireless card drivers (the realtek drivers on my card are crap and I still to this day cannot connect to large open networks with multiple ap's -- the wireless card itself won't stay assoicated) |
| 13:11.28 | GuestO1102 | somiaj: its the http://suwako.nomanga.net/debian/ repos it failed to fetch some files i need to install... but this repo isnt in sources.list anymore.. but it grabs the old repos :/ |
| 13:11.49 | redShadow | (to make things more difficult, I have a bunch of bridge / virtual interfaces too, which might be causing issues.. although on wheezy everything worked just fine) |
| 13:11.55 | somiaj | GuestO1102: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- you can put single file sources in that dir. Maybe some package you isntalled added that. |
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| 13:12.23 | GuestO1102 | somiaj: k ill have a look |
| 13:12.28 | somiaj | GuestO1102: and just a warning, be very careful about adding third party repos -- many places don't manage them well enough and you can hose your system. |
| 13:12.28 | ciaobello | hello, i installed the base system with the network iso. Now i would like to add a dhcp and create a pxe server. Just i dont finde any packages. I guess i have to add a repo. is there a simple way to do it? or cann i display all repos to choose/add one |
| 13:12.44 | somiaj | !tell ciaobello about sources.list |
| 13:13.03 | redShadow | somiaj: I have an intel centrino ultimate-n, usually they work fine.. |
| 13:13.19 | somiaj | ciaobello: it could be you need to add some firmware or what not to bring up your network first. You may have to use a usb stick to copy those files over |
| 13:13.21 | redShadow | and, I had no issues w/ wheezy |
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| 13:14.21 | redShadow | the only network I've never been able to connect to is one using a !@#$%^ m$-based "enterprise" authentication thing |
| 13:14.34 | ciaobello | i do have a virtualbox with network ... i can ping and see other server in the internet |
| 13:14.39 | redShadow | but even people using windows has problems connecting to that network, so.. |
| 13:14.56 | somiaj | redShadow: yea intel cards are a different beast. Well you do use a testing distribution. Try to debug the issue. Figure out is it firmware package, the kernel version, etc causing you this issue. Or it could be the wicd package. |
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| 13:15.06 | ciaobello | btw somiaj thx |
| 13:15.29 | somiaj | ciaobello: ahh in that case, yea that sources.list factoid tells you what to add to set up the repos |
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| 13:16.15 | redShadow | somiaj: yeah, btw I'm still using wheezy kernel as I didn't manage to get nvidia drivers working on the new one as well.. |
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| 13:16.47 | redShadow | stupid nvidia is the only thing still having compatibility issues on newer thinkpads |
| 13:17.05 | somiaj | redShadow: that could be your problem right there too. Try to run the jessie kernel and debug your nvidia issue (nvidia installs just fine for me here on sid and its been a while since it hasn't worked) |
| 13:17.11 | redShadow | everything else seems to work just fine (ok, I never tried fingerprint or color sensor..) |
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| 13:17.49 | redShadow | somiaj: it installs fine, etc. but then Xorg hangs with a "card not found" error, IIRC.. |
| 13:17.52 | somiaj | redShadow: is this one of those strange dual video card machines that has intel + nvidia on it? |
| 13:18.05 | redShadow | somiaj: yeah, I disabled the intel part from the bios |
| 13:18.09 | somiaj | redShadow: or do you have an older nvidia card? |
| 13:18.11 | redShadow | otherwise nothing will work |
| 13:18.28 | redShadow | somiaj: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] (rev a1) |
| 13:18.32 | redShadow | brand new hotness ;) |
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| 13:19.06 | somiaj | well I'd try to debug the issue too. again the joys of new hardware and a testing distribution. It may require work. I have no experience with such hardware as I avoid it. |
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| 13:19.36 | somiaj | there is also #debian-next or irc.oftc.net for help more for testing/unstable. |
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| 13:21.40 | somiaj | redShadow: and if you are feeling really wild, there is primus and bumblebee to allow the switching of the graphics drivers. (: |
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| 13:30.15 | Leoneof | i have local repo, how to remove old versions of packages? |
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| 13:31.59 | redShadow | somiaj: I don't trust that stuff, especially since I saw the "rm -rf /usr/ share/something" bug, a while ago..... |
| 13:32.25 | redShadow | (yeah, there was a script running that command, with path with a space in it!!) |
| 13:33.14 | redShadow | and anyways, I have a thinkpad with extended battery, I don't need to powersave :P |
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| 13:34.41 | petn-randall | redShadow: You can never be too happy about battery life :) |
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| 13:43.26 | aztequemedia | good morning |
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| 13:44.24 | zorael | Is there any way to tell *why* apt wants to remove something? dpkg --get-selections show the packages in question as installed |
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| 13:44.55 | zorael | aptitude doesn't want to remove them, just apt |
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| 13:46.24 | aztequemedia | i install a new minimal install debian , i saw it install 2 versions of python, 2 version of gcc .. is there a reason ? |
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| 13:47.58 | aztequemedia | i used apt not aptitude, but aptitude use apt doesn't it? |
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| 13:49.05 | zebulon | someone has some advice to optimize web server to reduce time for loading a googlemap ? |
| 13:49.13 | OpenTokix | aztequemedia: aptitude is a frontend for dpkg, like apt-get |
| 13:49.54 | js1 | 9quit |
| 13:50.16 | aztequemedia | openTokix : thanks for the information |
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| 13:52.47 | aztequemedia | where can i find the package list of a minimal install? |
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| 13:54.15 | themill | there is no definitive list as different packages get installed depending on your system |
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| 13:54.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell aztequemedia -about standard |
| 13:55.09 | babilen | aztequemedia: That might help, but what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:55.26 | aztequemedia | i want to install a minimun debian |
| 13:55.50 | aztequemedia | i do it in a virtual machine it run well |
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| 13:56.51 | aztequemedia | but i notice during the install , the system install 2 version of gcc, 2 version of python ... |
| 13:57.04 | babilen | aztequemedia: Why would you need a package list for that? Just don't install anything you don't want to install (I would, however, recommend to install the standard task) |
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| 13:57.27 | beerr | debian is done after they implemented SELinux |
| 13:57.35 | aztequemedia | i install the standard task to have minimum |
| 13:58.03 | aztequemedia | i installed debian 7.4 |
| 13:58.21 | babilen | aztequemedia: Okay, so what's the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
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| 13:58.38 | zykotick9 | babilen: i'm just curious, do you happen to know why there isn't a "task-standard" (or am i blind?) like the the other task-* packages? |
| 13:58.45 | babilen | aztequemedia: And you should only end up with py2.7 (for example) |
| 13:58.52 | themill | and no gcc |
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| 13:59.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell zykotick9 about standard |
| 13:59.05 | themill | zykotick9: it's implemented using priorities instead |
| 13:59.12 | babilen | zykotick9: It's in terms of priorities |
| 13:59.14 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks |
| 13:59.22 | babilen | slow babilen is slow |
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| 13:59.36 | zykotick9 | babilen: thanks as well... even if seconds to slow ;) |
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| 13:59.46 | babilen | but but but ... i got you the factoid! |
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| 14:00.16 | zykotick9 | babilen: technically, my question came after reading <standard> which was posted previously ;) |
| 14:00.23 | babilen | aztequemedia: Could you run "aptitude why python2.6" (assuming that is the other version) and the same for the gcc package and paste the output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:00.24 | sephioh | hi. i want to monitor my network traffic and keep my reports for a year. also, i want a way to see which service is using more network. somebody can point me a tool for use this? i have a firewall with debian wheezy. |
| 14:00.42 | babilen | zykotick9: NOOOOO! *laugh* |
| 14:00.51 | aztequemedia | i want to uninstall package not required |
| 14:01.05 | aztequemedia | like gcc i don't used |
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| 14:01.44 | wols_ | just do it then. there is a list of packages. you can after that install the standard task without recommends maybe. that should take less |
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| 14:02.01 | babilen | aztequemedia: Okay, so lets figure out how/why you installed them. Could you paste the requested output please? |
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| 14:02.23 | wols_ | but for such minimal installs, I wouldn't get the standard task at all and disable recommends forever and simply install what I want when I want it |
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| 14:03.35 | babilen | wols_: There quite often isn't the need for "such minimal installs, but lets wait for some atual output |
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| 14:03.59 | wols_ | babilen: he wants it. so he gets it |
| 14:04.08 | wols_ | if he wants to be minimal, that#s the way to do it |
| 14:04.18 | babilen | sure |
| 14:04.30 | Devastator | removing gcc is not the best thing to do imho |
| 14:05.03 | osmo_SMS | you can remove. don't worry :) |
| 14:05.12 | zykotick9 | aztequemedia: not sure how minimal you are going, but IMO if you're planning on installing and DE environment, disabling recommends will be a major "up hill battle" |
| 14:05.19 | babilen | aztequemedia: Could you please show us the output of "aptitude why gcc" and "aptitude why python2.6" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:05.29 | zykotick9 | s/and DE/any DE/ |
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| 14:05.51 | babilen | (assuming it is py2.6 that you are complaining about) |
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| 14:06.36 | osmo_SMS | man, if u want to run minimal use this: mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 |
| 14:06.40 | babilen | aztequemedia: Are you still there? |
| 14:07.22 | aztequemedia | babilen : english isn't my natural langauge |
| 14:07.26 | m57 | question: is debian doing something weird with its arp table caching as I cannot seem to scan /17 network without flooding the arp table |
| 14:07.35 | babilen | aztequemedia: Okay, would you prefer a different language? |
| 14:07.45 | aztequemedia | it take me some time to good understanding |
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| 14:07.58 | m57 | anyone know about this |
| 14:08.10 | osmo_SMS | aztequemedia: from? |
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| 14:08.30 | babilen | aztequemedia: Okay, please run "aptitude why gcc" and "aptitude why python2.6" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:09.07 | alami | i want to install dahdi on debian 7.4, http://pastebin.com/3DgrcWQA |
| 14:09.15 | aztequemedia | i'm french and i am now in Québec canada |
| 14:09.22 | zykotick9 | babilen: just want to point out, gcc is NOT in the standard tasksel... (you're probably aware already) |
| 14:09.53 | babilen | zykotick9: yes, that is why I want to check why it was installed |
| 14:09.57 | themill | a dkms package could drag it in, however |
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| 14:10.11 | alami | babilen:i have also install dahbi-linux package, should i remove it? |
| 14:10.23 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 14:10.24 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 14:10.41 | aztequemedia | babilen: what is paste.debian.net |
| 14:10.55 | babilen | aztequemedia: A website we use to share the output of commands |
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| 14:11.19 | aztequemedia | babilen ok |
| 14:11.26 | babilen | judd: v dahdi-linux |
| 14:11.27 | judd | Package: dahdi-linux on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.3.0.1+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1:2.6.1+dfsg2-1; jessie: 1:2.7.0.1~dfsg-1; sid: 1:2.7.0.1~dfsg-1 |
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| 14:11.59 | babilen | alami: Why aren't you happy with ^^^ |
| 14:13.06 | alami | babilen: because it doesn't run a module that i need |
| 14:13.16 | alami | so i want to install the new version from source |
| 14:13.20 | babilen | alami: So you require a newer version? |
| 14:13.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell alami -about stow usage |
| 14:13.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell alami -about stow |
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| 14:14.08 | babilen | alami: use stow to manage that installation *and* make sure to install the right build depdencies. You tried to install a number of non-existant packages before .. where did you get that list? |
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| 14:14.27 | alami | babilen: have you see that http://pastebin.com/3DgrcWQA |
| 14:15.17 | alami | babilen: from here http://kb.digium.com/articles/Installation/Installing-DAHDI |
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| 14:18.43 | babilen | alami: yes, I did see that which is why I said you tried to install a number of packages that do not exist in Debian. That second website is obviously wrong for Debian. |
| 14:18.55 | obesd | Hi, does Debian require working 2D acceleration to use Kernel Modesetting to display Xorg ? |
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| 14:20.51 | alami | babilen: i need to install this http://downloads.asterisk.org/pub/telephony/dahdi-linux-complete/dahdi-linux-complete-current.tar.gz |
| 14:21.01 | alami | but i get this as error http://pastebin.com/P4nf8kD6 |
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| 14:23.34 | Brigo | alami the probles is clear: You do not appear to have the sources for the 3.2.0-4-686-pae kernel installed. |
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| 14:24.49 | alami | i don't understand this error, no name of package to install |
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| 14:26.44 | babilen | alami: Install headers for your kernel (e.g. linux-headers-amd64 (if you use that architecture) |
| 14:26.55 | babilen | ah |
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| 14:27.31 | babilen | alami: You want linux-headers-686-pae as you are running the 32bit version. |
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| 14:27.39 | babilen | err |
| 14:28.09 | alami | babilen: okay thanks a lot :-) |
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| 14:39.57 | tim_flatus | throws flowers at anyone who has had anything to do with developing the debian installer. |
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| 14:41.21 | tim_flatus | I just put a live iso on a usb and did the fastest install ever. Thanks. I don't have any questions it all works perfectly, easily and intuitively. |
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| 14:42.15 | abrotman | tim_flatus: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if you want to thank the right group :) |
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| 14:42.40 | tim_flatus | abrotman: :-) |
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| 14:43.44 | tim_flatus | This totally takes the um, oh, er out of doing random installs |
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| 14:56.59 | nmschulte | I'm having trouble finding the answer: What is the process to recommend (or even... do myself) a piece of software for inclusion in debian's main repository? |
| 14:58.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell nmschulte -about rfp |
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| 14:59.26 | nmschulte | dpkg is so useful... when you know what to ask for. Thanks babilen; that's perfect. |
| 14:59.27 | dpkg | nmschulte: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 14:59.46 | babilen | heh |
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| 15:00.47 | nmschulte | I'll toss it out there: anyone else using Clevo (or their downstream vendors; e.g. Sager) with Debian and want a way to control their keyboard backlight and "airplane mode"? |
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| 15:01.30 | nmschulte | I found two different GPL'd drivers that do such, but neither are in Debian: tuxedo-wmi and clevo_wmi (there was an older clevo_laptop, but that's for different hardware). |
| 15:01.54 | nmschulte | tuxedo-wmi is actually written by Christoph Jaeger (christophjaeger@linux.com), so that's curious. |
| 15:01.59 | Guest90255 | hello to everyone, I'm learning how aptitude works when thee are problems, I'm having 6 suggests, so I push the e key to examine and the waht should I do? |
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| 15:02.25 | Guest90255 | I can keep the packages or install the suggested but.. how do I do it? |
| 15:02.33 | nmschulte | you press the other keys |
| 15:02.36 | nmschulte | ! to apply I htink |
| 15:02.53 | nmschulte | Guest90255: You're in interactive aptitude I assume? |
| 15:03.11 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, yes I am, not cli, but interactive |
| 15:03.36 | Guest90255 | I don't know how to interpret the suggestions nor how can I make one or other |
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| 15:03.58 | nmschulte | I see. there should be a red bar at the bottom telling you what keys do what; is that true? |
| 15:04.38 | nmschulte | You can go forward/backward through the suggested fixes, to find the suitable one. Or you can just try to resolve it manually, by holding/keeping/installing/upgrading/removing the various packages. |
| 15:05.09 | nmschulte | apt-get seems to be "smarter" in some situations about what to suggest (or at least, the order of suggestions), so it's sometimes useful to compare the two |
| 15:05.10 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, e: examine, !apply .: next and ,: previous but I don't undrstand what make it (I understand English and I understand what it means, but not what it makes to what package in the upper list of aptitude) |
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| 15:05.28 | nmschulte | Guest90255: I see. The top pane will tell you what it's going to do. |
| 15:05.50 | Guest90255 | nsmthe to panel shows me a list of packges telling me wahts going to do with them |
| 15:05.51 | nmschulte | if you scroll up and down in that top pane, the bottom pane tells you what you need to do to that package to resolve the issue. |
| 15:05.59 | Guest90255 | aha, that's right |
| 15:06.13 | nmschulte | And if you type !, it will automatically do the suggestion there. |
| 15:06.32 | nmschulte | '.' gets you the next recommendation, and ',' gets you the prior. |
| 15:06.34 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, there is to that package, not the complete list, right? |
| 15:06.50 | nmschulte | '!' will do the complete list |
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| 15:07.16 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, ah ok ! the complete list, . the actual position on the list and , the previous I uderstand |
| 15:07.22 | nmschulte | nope nope |
| 15:07.28 | nmschulte | . makes a new complete list |
| 15:07.33 | Guest90255 | ah wrong then |
| 15:07.34 | nmschulte | and , makes a new complete list |
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| 15:07.46 | nmschulte | you can't partially accept a suggested fix |
| 15:07.52 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, ah ok, let's call it new suggestions |
| 15:07.56 | nmschulte | Okay. |
| 15:07.56 | Guest90255 | ok |
| 15:08.15 | Guest90255 | it is a global fix, so it suggests me way to fix it, until I find some of it satisfactory and push ! |
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| 15:08.20 | Guest90255 | is that right? |
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| 15:08.26 | nmschulte | Guest90255: correct! |
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| 15:09.03 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, oh man I was always afraid of doing anythinng there because I was not understanding waht was goinf there with that panes (they were pain panes hehe) |
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| 15:10.02 | nmschulte | Guest90255: I went through the same thing, learning how to use aptitude. Interactive aptitude is my goto now; I really like it, though I wish there was a way to switch between aptitude's and apt-get's suggestion systems. |
| 15:10.02 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, is thre something else to know about that window? or nothing else? |
| 15:10.21 | nmschulte | Not that I'm aware of, no; nothing else to know about that window. |
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| 15:11.19 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, now I understand hot to use that windows, but there is still one thing that I don't udnerstand about what it says, can I ask you a little bit more please? |
| 15:11.40 | nmschulte | of course |
| 15:11.50 | Guest90255 | nms thanks |
| 15:11.52 | Guest90255 | it is easy |
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| 15:13.06 | Guest90255 | in the upper pane it says "keep the following packages at their current version" but in the lower pane it says two options, cancel installation or install wahtevr it be.. nothing about keeping, so I don't udnerstand what it is really doing... |
| 15:14.43 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, in the upper pane it says "keep the following packages at their current version" but in the lower pane it says two options, cancel installation or install wahtevr it be.. nothing about keeping, so I don't udnerstand what it is really doing... |
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| 15:15.10 | sdf10809 | query nyov |
| 15:15.17 | sdf10809 | oops |
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| 15:32.57 | nyov | who dare summons me? |
| 15:33.00 | nyov | :D |
| 15:33.04 | nmschulte | Guest90255: sorry, working. |
| 15:33.08 | terminalmage | Is there a way to target a specific APT source? From what I've been able to read, an APT source adds the package to a release, so the only way I've been able to figure out to do this so far is to use "-o APT::Default-Release=precise" and then target the specific version provided by the APT source I want. |
| 15:33.16 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, no problem |
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| 15:33.38 | nmschulte | Guest90255: I think the lower pane is talking about a different package, right? |
| 15:33.45 | nmschulte | Guest90255: can you paste the view? |
| 15:33.49 | nmschulte | (not here obviously...) |
| 15:34.12 | N34lO | hi, can some one explain why "host node2" works but "ping node2" gives me a "unknown host" |
| 15:34.16 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, ah no, becuase I was satisfied with yor explanation and then I pressed the ! key hehe :( |
| 15:34.35 | N34lO | sry, ping6 node2 |
| 15:34.45 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, I am afraid of being a little impatient |
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| 15:35.29 | nyov | N34lO: does 'host -6' work? |
| 15:35.31 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 15:35.51 | asterismo | is there anyway to enable chanserv and nickserv services in ircd-hybrid in debian 7??? |
| 15:35.59 | Parabola | i'm getting frequent page allocation failure messages in my logs |
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| 15:36.11 | Parabola | and i cannot find anything on google as far as resolution goes |
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| 15:36.54 | nmschulte | Guest90255: http://oi58.tinypic.com/2dwajbt.jpg |
| 15:37.23 | Parabola | Mem: 7903 7716 187 0 27 346 |
| 15:37.26 | nmschulte | I tried to rmeove 'acpi-fakekey' package, and that came up with a dependency issue, and this is what the screen shows. |
| 15:37.32 | Parabola | however theres over 5gigs of free swap |
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| 15:38.04 | asterismo | i installed an IRC server using ircd-hybrid and it seems i cannot register channels or nicks, it seems that chanserv and nickserv are missing |
| 15:38.06 | asterismo | anyone? |
| 15:38.24 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, yes, somethig like that, but in the upper pane it showed me kep, and in the lower it said cancel or install... so... I get confused about waht was doing to do |
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| 15:38.47 | N34lO | nyov: yes, and it only does -6 ;) - is a ipv6 only server |
| 15:38.58 | nmschulte | Guest90255: I'm not sure: I can't recall ever seeing that before, but I don't pay much attention after I resolve things. |
| 15:39.36 | nyov | N34lO: well I would have guessed you got ipv6 resolution over ipv4 transport |
| 15:39.59 | Guest90255 | nmschulte, that's waht happened to me when you xapined me how was working aptitude, I started to roll the solutions, selectd one that satisfied me and pushed ! :D |
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| 15:40.45 | nyov | N34lO: i suppose then you have a DNS entry for the host (host lookup), but the server doesn't respond to icmp pings, maybe because of a firewall |
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| 15:42.45 | nmschulte | :) |
| 15:43.21 | asterismo | hybserv? |
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| 15:44.00 | nmschulte | asterismo: I'm not sure that all ircd implementations come with channel services features. |
| 15:44.56 | asterismo | there are some tutorials using hybserv but it is not in debian repos |
| 15:44.57 | nyov | N34lO: actually i'm wrong, sorry. can't say why ping can't resolve the ip for you |
| 15:45.17 | nmschulte | I've used ircd-ratbox before, and it worked well enough. |
| 15:45.47 | asterismo | and there are some liinks to sourceforge, but they are all dead |
| 15:45.50 | asterismo | dead links |
| 15:45.55 | asterismo | so i cannot compile it |
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| 15:47.44 | imdea | Hi one question, I've just done this command: 'dpkg -l | grep apache2' in my debian machine and was wondering what does this 'A' letter mean on this entry? i A apache2.2-bin |
| 15:48.18 | Nik05 | imdea it means that its automatically installed |
| 15:48.34 | N34lO | nyov: hm... i just added the entry to the /etc/hosts, then it works ... but it should be using dns >.< ... don't like having to edit multible places for that |
| 15:48.36 | imdea | Nik05, thanks. |
| 15:48.39 | Anuska | Hi, what permision is this -rw-r--r-- ? in chmod |
| 15:49.02 | Nik05 | its -rw-r--r-- |
| 15:49.19 | Anuska | but in chmod 0000 ? |
| 15:49.21 | Anuska | what is it |
| 15:49.26 | Anuska | 655 |
| 15:49.27 | LtL | Anuska: 0644 |
| 15:49.31 | Anuska | thanks |
| 15:49.34 | LtL | np |
| 15:49.35 | Nik05 | rw for user, r for group, r for other |
| 15:49.46 | imdea | other question, is there a way to see what process in a system is eating the memory? I've a debian machine which runs some stuff and if I restart it in very short time I see that almost all the memory has been used but when I do for instance top I don't see any process that is actively taking this memory.. any ideas? |
| 15:49.52 | Anuska | yes Nik05 but i forrgon |
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| 15:50.23 | Nik05 | imdea top, htop, etc |
| 15:50.56 | imdea | Nik05, no but those will give me the actual situation. I've already executed top and don't see any process that is right now eating the memory |
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| 15:51.28 | Nik05 | imdea how do you know all memory is taken? |
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| 15:51.55 | imdea | Nik05, becase I can see it in top and htop. |
| 15:52.27 | Nik05 | probably buffers |
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| 15:52.30 | wonderworld | imdea: top and htop tell you which process consumes the memory. check the %MEM column |
| 15:52.39 | imdea | Mem: 3840448k total, 3785068k used, 55380k free, 87596k buffers |
| 15:53.01 | imdea | it seems that only like 88Mb on buffers + 55Mb of free memory |
| 15:53.19 | hesco | if a kill command is successful, what should its return value be? |
| 15:54.00 | ChrisH | hesco: a kill command is successful if the signal was send. |
| 15:54.30 | wnkz_ | imdea: ps axo ruser,%mem,comm,pid,euser | sort -nr | head -n 10 |
| 15:55.07 | Nik05 | imdea with top you should see how much processes use |
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| 15:55.20 | wnkz_ | imdea: will show you the 10 most memory consuming processes |
| 15:55.34 | imdea | wnkz, http://paste.debian.net/91482/ |
| 15:55.48 | Anuska | what is the best way to install apache+mysql+php+phpmyadmin? |
| 15:55.48 | imdea | yes but that's at the exact time I run that. |
| 15:55.52 | Nik05 | imdea when you start top, press >, it will sort %MEM column |
| 15:55.56 | hesco | ChrisH: My puppet run gives me back: Error: /bin/bash /home/hesco/tfc/prod/tfc-mojo/script/deploy_tfc_mojo.sh c3748aa prod returned instead of one of [0]; and the last command thrown by the set +x shows me: + /bin/kill 7018. That pid no longer exists in the process table. |
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| 15:56.46 | wonderworld | Anuska: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server phpmyadmin |
| 15:57.16 | wonderworld | top |
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| 15:57.21 | Anuska | yes |
| 15:57.23 | hesco | so I assume the kill worked, except that the script keeps feeling with a 1 |
| 15:57.42 | imdea | Nik05, curious thing is that I see a lot of apache2 process there.. |
| 15:57.44 | Anuska | wonderworld, i need to do some configuration ? |
| 15:57.52 | Anuska | to work php with apache? |
| 15:57.56 | imdea | with percenatge of %1.3 |
| 15:57.58 | Anuska | next when in install |
| 15:58.03 | wonderworld | Anuska: no, will work out of the box |
| 15:58.13 | Anuska | thanks |
| 15:58.24 | Nik05 | wnkz_ that will first sort the user... |
| 15:58.43 | Nik05 | imdea guess its apache2 then :P |
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| 15:59.31 | wnkz_ | Nik05: there should not be UIDs here though ... |
| 15:59.56 | jhutchins | !lamp |
| 15:59.56 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp, or http://geek-and-poke.com/geekandpoke/2013/6/15/the-geekpoke-old-chestnut-of-the-week |
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| 16:00.14 | Anuska | yes |
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| 16:00.27 | imdea | Nik05, stupid question if I see a lot of lines with the same process and the mem column says 1.2% is that _all_ apache2 packages are taking 1.2% of the total memory or that each of them are taking that? |
| 16:01.48 | Nik05 | with top i guess its per processes, with htop i dont know (i think it also shows threads) |
| 16:02.11 | Nik05 | yes htop is strange :p |
| 16:02.21 | imdea | Nik05, in my case I have apache2-mpm-worker which is supposed to use threads, so each line of top would be 0.4% of the total memory? |
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| 16:05.12 | turtlehat | hello i have set up wvdial to use a phone modem over usb connection and i get a connection and i can ping various ips over ppp0. i however cant make any tcp or udp connection |
| 16:05.32 | turtlehat | it seems.. |
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| 16:05.50 | wnkz_ | imdea: each apache thread have it's own memory consumption, depending on what "tasks" they do, for example if a thread executes a huge PHP script it'll likely consume more memory |
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| 16:06.59 | imdea | wnkz, I see.. and do you know whether is there a way so I can see a "summary" of how much memory all the apache2 threads are using? |
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| 16:07.14 | diafygi | Hello, why don't the AMIs listed on https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Wheezy match the AMIs in the CloudFormation Template on that same page? |
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| 16:09.13 | boy7711 | http://xxxfullmoviesinhd.blogspot.com/2014/04/list-of-best-movies.html |
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| 16:09.25 | wnkz_ | imdea: maybe try to run this if you have python insyalled: https://raw.github.com/pixelb/ps_mem/master/ps_mem.py |
| 16:10.22 | Nik05 | oh and wnkz_ you can also use --sort in ps ;) |
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| 16:11.30 | f31n | i've got a maybe strange issue, i've got for my system a new mainboard, and changed it, now my raid isn't recogniesd any more, mdadm -A -scan -v finds no recogniseable superblocks, i guess thats because of when i created the raid i created gpt partitions - thats because the raid is totally bigger than 3tb and i was told that mdadm wasn't able to work on bigger raids than 2,5gb back then when i created the raid - do you have any suggestions |
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| 16:11.45 | wnkz_ | Nik05: haha, indeed, you apparently can use [+|-]key |
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| 16:11.59 | Nik05 | --sort=-%mem |
| 16:12.19 | wnkz_ | should re-read some man pages |
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| 16:14.05 | Nik05 | imdea ps ax --sort=%mem (put a - before %mem to decrease sort) |
| 16:15.09 | Nik05 | hm no idea what u does in ps, just formatting? Then imdea do ps aux --sort=%mem, 4th collumn is mem usage |
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| 16:18.07 | imdea | Ok I'll check this a bit further |
| 16:18.15 | imdea | thanks Nik05 and wnkz_ ! |
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| 16:20.17 | mitc0185 | hey what's the best mail/calendar solution these days. Is it still Evolution? |
| 16:20.20 | mitc0185 | for desktop |
| 16:22.03 | tim_flatus | rm -rf Windows - the joy! |
| 16:22.15 | petn-randall | !best |
| 16:22.15 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 16:22.52 | petn-randall | mitc0185: some people say 'mutt'. |
| 16:23.12 | LtL | mitc0185: i like evolution, ten years now.. oh and led zeppelin ;) |
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| 16:30.48 | jelly | petn-randall: mutt hass no callendar |
| 16:32.12 | jelly | thunderbird+lightning? |
| 16:32.38 | hesco | . |
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| 16:33.59 | nmschulte | Does anyone else have issues with GNOME 3's "switch windows" shortcut only working for the first press (thus allowing only switching between the two most recently focused applications...) |
| 16:34.07 | tim_flatus | jelly: jelly frightening ... |
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| 16:35.22 | tim_flatus | I have issues with GNOME3 :) does that help? |
| 16:35.43 | nmschulte | It seems it's only an issue if I bind it to alt+tab; alt+q works fine. |
| 16:35.45 | tim_flatus | I found moving to XFCE fixed it. :p |
| 16:36.05 | nmschulte | tim_flatus: I actually just switched back to G3 from XFCE |
| 16:36.09 | daswort | preseed question: is it → d-i passwd/user-password "password" "insecure" or "password insecure", is insecure the option you have to answer with no/yes if your password is to short? |
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| 16:36.29 | nmschulte | I got a new laptop (which I use for work as well), and I use external monitors. |
| 16:36.45 | nmschulte | I was upset that XFCE has no good display config support. |
| 16:37.08 | nmschulte | And I'm too lazy to make a script to poke xrandr, so I just installed G3. |
| 16:37.13 | nmschulte | :( |
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| 16:41.08 | vanessa | hallo |
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| 16:42.45 | f31n | nmschulte: you tried lxde? |
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| 16:43.50 | nmschulte | f31n: I have not, but I was eyeing it at one point. |
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| 16:45.50 | f31n | my best desicion ever, i was like you xfce lack of external monitors g3 sux, so i need a solution - :) |
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| 16:47.16 | nmschulte | I'm going to give G3 a shot again, but if the gnome-tweak-tool doesn't start working soon (I'm on sid), then I may give LXDE a go. |
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| 16:47.35 | nmschulte | IT WORKS! |
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| 16:53.25 | BAMbanda | I'm trying to get openbox working on my debian |
| 16:53.37 | BAMbanda | I installed xdm as well, this is on my macbook pro 2009 edition |
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| 16:53.50 | BAMbanda | I erased osx completely, all debian |
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| 16:54.24 | BAMbanda | when I try to launch openbox, i get some display error...do I need to install any display drivers before hand? |
| 16:55.11 | somiaj | BAMbanda: you have to launch openbox from within your xserver |
| 16:55.41 | somiaj | BAMbanda: so you need to put the command to launch open box into your .xsession file, 'exec /path/to/openbox/command' then run startx |
| 16:55.49 | somiaj | BAMbanda: or you could use a display manager, such as lightdm |
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| 17:04.02 | bodeezl | howdy folks! im having a little tit bit of a sound issue, i can hear it! but only if i turn it to the volume level of "dear god why" which is pretty dam loud! now i know the first thing you might be thinking is, this dumbby didnt check his volume setting! well they are all at max on alsamixer and the desktop icon |
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| 17:05.51 | capt_cosmo | hi, TL;DR: I'm looking for a recommendation of an opensc-compatible smartcard(_ideally_ > 2048bit rsa, no java cards). I already own a GnuPG Smartcard and an appropriate reader, but I'd like to use VPN & local authentication (via pkcs#11). I checked out the compatible smartcards on the opensc-page, but I'm struggling to find appropriate webshops (europe) that offer these cards. any suggestions? |
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| 17:07.08 | somiaj | capt_cosmo: #debian is probbaly not the best place for that question. (: |
| 17:07.21 | bertrik | is debian unstable broken for anyone else? NetworkManager was segfaulting for me, alt-tab no longer works, and graphics corruption in the login screen |
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| 17:07.48 | otyugh | Woooooops. I did a "dd if=file of=/dev/sdd". I don't know what sdd is. Just know it can"t be wrote to more than 80Mo because I can't write more on it and get a error message. But what the hell is /dev/sdd ? I had nothing here, gparted says :! |
| 17:08.15 | somiaj | bodeezl: what sound card is this? Could it be you overlooked pcm or maybe are adjusting the volume levels of the wrong card? 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
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| 17:09.11 | Brigo | otyugh, fdisk /dev/sdd |
| 17:09.15 | somiaj | otyugh: /dev/sdd would be the fourth hardrive type device you have installed. If you don't have that many isntalled there probabaly isn't anything there. Does demsg help you identify what the actual device you want to write to is? |
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| 17:09.59 | capt_cosmo | somiaj: I know, sorry :( Any suggestions besides #opensc? |
| 17:10.06 | BeWilled | Hello, I moved and resized my linux partition to make more space with gparted. Now boot process crashes. Any ideas? |
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| 17:10.51 | somiaj | capt_cosmo: maybe ##hardware |
| 17:10.56 | bodeezl | somiaj, 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic |
| 17:10.57 | bodeezl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.57 | bodeezl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.57 | bodeezl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.06 | bodeezl | woops |
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| 17:11.16 | Brigo | XD |
| 17:11.17 | Kiril | hello guys |
| 17:11.23 | capt_cosmo | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:11.26 | somiaj | bodeezl: well I do see at least two sound cards. |
| 17:11.32 | Kiril | someone could you tell is it avaible that package and what's the name it |
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| 17:11.39 | Kiril | ERROR: GeoIP method set to binary file lookup but Geo::IP::PurePerl module NOT FOUND |
| 17:11.49 | bodeezl | im using the onboard not the hdmi sound |
| 17:12.14 | bodeezl | trying to use * |
| 17:12.46 | somiaj | bodeezl: well you know you can hit f6 in alsamixer and switch sound cards? Maybe go turn up the volume with the other cards. Also are you running pulseaudio or something else |
| 17:12.53 | somiaj | bodeezl: another idea is what are you using to test your sound? |
| 17:13.13 | bodeezl | youtube x; |
| 17:13.31 | bodeezl | i did try to switch sound cards the other card didnt have any volume options |
| 17:13.35 | somiaj | Kiril: that looks like a perl module, apt-cache search for it. Not all perl modules are available as debian packages and you'll have to go get it from CPAN. Debian does ahve a tool to package modules from CPAN though for y ou. |
| 17:13.52 | somiaj | ahh yea, hdmi doesn't usually have a volume option, what software are you using to test your sound? |
| 17:14.01 | bodeezl | chrome, |
| 17:14.12 | somiaj | so like youtube or somehting? |
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| 17:14.18 | bodeezl | yes |
| 17:14.23 | bodeezl | sorry thought i said youtube |
| 17:14.25 | somiaj | software itself also has a volume bar on it. |
| 17:14.41 | bodeezl | yes ive checked both of those i will try two different sources |
| 17:14.43 | somiaj | I know youtube has its own volume bar. (again I'm just running though ideas, can't really think of what it coudl be) |
| 17:15.02 | otyugh | pulseaudio ? |
| 17:15.13 | bodeezl | pandora is same |
| 17:15.19 | somiaj | Kiril: I do see a package libgeo-ip-perl, I foudn this wiht 'apt-cache search geoip' |
| 17:15.22 | sdf10809 | is there a general off-topic chat room for linux on freenode? |
| 17:16.11 | bodeezl | otyugh, what do you mean ? |
| 17:16.13 | somiaj | sdf10809: #defoucs is like a genearl offtopic room for freenode, not sure if #linux has their own offtopic room though. |
| 17:16.35 | somiaj | bodeezl: dpkg -l | grep pulse or ps fax | grep pulse (are you using pulseaudio)? |
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| 17:17.08 | bodeezl | i believe its installed |
| 17:17.28 | sdf10809 | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:17.48 | somiaj | bodeezl: if you are use pulseaudio, you can try pavucontrol to control the volume levels/cards etc |
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| 17:25.12 | bodeezl | somiaj, i set that one and saved and even rebooted still same |
| 17:25.13 | bodeezl | ;s |
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| 17:29.44 | Kiril | play: Gadjo - It's Allright [03:39m/320kbps/44kHz] |
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| 17:30.33 | Kiril | somiaj, doesn't work |
| 17:30.48 | Kiril | i've already check that |
| 17:33.09 | bodeezl | lol |
| 17:33.29 | somiaj | Kiril: so you have that package installed and still getting the error about a missing perl libary? |
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| 17:35.52 | servidorv | hi guys, i have a question, i'm new to debian, and i want to know how to open ports, im runin a ruby script and i need to open ports 4567 |
| 17:35.53 | somiaj | Kiril: seems that package just supplies Geo::IP, and you need another moule |
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| 17:36.13 | somiaj | Kiril: http://search.cpan.org/~borisz/Geo-IP-PurePerl-1.25/lib/Geo/IP/PurePerl.pm -- there is the module on CPAN |
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| 17:36.33 | servidorv | i've been loocking on google but nothing, plus i cant seem to get it working |
| 17:36.48 | somiaj | servidorv: by default debian does not have a firewall or close ports. So it is up to the application to listen on that port |
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| 17:37.08 | somiaj | servidorv: I do not know ruby, so ask ruby people 'how do I make my ruby application listen on port 4567' for isntance |
| 17:37.21 | servidorv | well the app sais that is listening to port |
| 17:37.25 | servidorv | INFO WEBrick::HTTPServer#start: pid=19739 port=4567 |
| 17:37.35 | somiaj | servidorv: does 'netstat -a' agree with that? |
| 17:38.02 | somiaj | or netstat -a | grep 4567 -- do you see something listening on the port. And is it listeining on the port of localhost or your network ip? |
| 17:38.34 | woshty | How do I rebuild a package in i386 on amd? I am trying to build steam from sid on stable .. |
| 17:38.38 | servidorv | localhost |
| 17:38.40 | servidorv | deamn |
| 17:38.42 | servidorv | thank bro |
| 17:38.43 | servidorv | :) |
| 17:38.47 | servidorv | you have saved me :) |
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| 17:39.01 | somiaj | woshty: you need to build it inside a chroot. |
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| 17:39.22 | somiaj | woshty: so you need to use debootstrap to build a i386 chroot, then build it there with the instructions from /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:39.40 | somiaj | the package pbuilder automates some of this, but I have never used it so can't be much help with that |
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| 17:40.31 | woshty | somiaj: hmm, annoying. Thought there would be a nicer way with that multiarch stuff. Thx. |
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| 17:41.08 | somiaj | woshty: this is the nicer way. The problem with multiple libs and then multiple headers is configuring the software to compile against the right versions |
| 17:41.25 | somiaj | woshty: the nicest way to do this is ain a very clean chroot build enviorment. This ensures there is not complications in building the package. |
| 17:41.48 | somiaj | woshty: I have some instructions for doing this with wine I can share, you can at least see how to create the chroot, but you will want to build steam instead of wine in there. |
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| 17:42.33 | woshty | somiaj: Got a link? I am thinking about trying the precompiled version jessy first. |
| 17:43.10 | somiaj | woshty: do not do that, you will depend on jessies testing libs, and installing core libs from jessie in your stable system is bad bad juju |
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| 17:43.43 | woshty | somiaj: I was hoping it would not use that many libs being an evil closed source app |
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| 17:44.16 | somiaj | woshty: you can look at the depends if you really want |
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| 17:44.43 | somiaj | woshty: http://paste.debian.net/91498/ -- lines 1-20 create the chroot, the rest of the lines are instructions for making a wine package from upstream source |
| 17:44.51 | woshty | Thx |
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| 17:57.29 | no_libsoup_for_y | I have a Debian web server that I have no intention of ever running an IRC server on. Is it fine to leave the "irc" user intact, or is it safe to remove that user? |
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| 17:58.09 | petn-randall | no_libsoup_for_y: Since it's a system user, I recommend keeping it. You gain nothing by removing it. |
| 17:58.18 | no_libsoup_for_y | Sounds good, thanks. |
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| 17:58.43 | rryoumaa | no_libsoup_for_y: perhaps it is there because of a package yuou don't need? (long shot) |
| 17:59.06 | no_libsoup_for_y | It was there after installing the system |
| 17:59.14 | no_libsoup_for_y | A new 7.4 install, anyway |
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| 18:00.17 | somiaj | no_libsoup_for_y: its a nologin user so it should be just fine leaving it alone. Most likely if you don't have ircd installed that user really has no useful primissions. |
| 18:00.28 | no_libsoup_for_y | /etc/passwd implies it would be used for ircd, if it were installed |
| 18:00.41 | no_libsoup_for_y | And I don't plan on removing it per your earlier advice, so no worries |
| 18:01.46 | archangel-amael | Why keep it, if you will not be using it? |
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| 18:01.54 | no_libsoup_for_y | Oops, I feel dumb now, you're not petn-randall :x |
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| 18:02.14 | no_libsoup_for_y | archangel-amael: Per what petn said, "Since it's a system user, I recommend keeping it. You gain nothing by removing it." |
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| 18:02.36 | sML | Hi |
| 18:02.40 | no_libsoup_for_y | As well as what somiaj said (it being a nologin user with restricted permissions) |
| 18:02.42 | no_libsoup_for_y | Hi sML |
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| 18:03.28 | archangel-amael | no_libsoup_for_y: I guess. |
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| 18:03.53 | somiaj | no_libsoup_for_y: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html -- scroll down to 12.1.12 |
| 18:04.15 | no_libsoup_for_y | It also has a UID less than 100; correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all those reserved for Debian anyway? |
| 18:04.26 | no_libsoup_for_y | (except for 0) |
| 18:04.57 | somiaj | no_libsoup_for_y: read the docs I linked, they say you 'can' remove them, but more explain what they are |
| 18:05.07 | no_libsoup_for_y | Ah |
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| 18:05.14 | no_libsoup_for_y | Thanks |
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| 18:17.53 | Kuba | How come df reportts size 709G, used 685G, but avail 0? (ext4 over lvm, recdently resized) |
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| 18:18.31 | Kuba | I tried to increase the partition size even more, but avail stays at 0... |
| 18:18.43 | dondelelcaro | Kuba: reserved blocks, usually |
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| 18:18.57 | dondelelcaro | Kuba: you can alter that percentage with tune2fs |
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| 18:25.00 | Kuba | dondelelcaro: indeed, thank you |
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| 18:34.16 | eKyNoX | Hello everyones, I need a big service if someone feel to get into my problem. I am actually following this tutorial http://fds-team.de/cms/articles/2013-12/use-a-real-windows-7-partition-in-virtualbox-kvm-vmware-player-u.html to make my physical window partition work with vmware workstation 10. At step 4 (4. Installation of the Bootloader), because files was present on d: drive, when the tutorial was asking |
| 18:34.17 | eKyNoX | to set win uniqueid, I selected the wrong drive disk signature (gets d: uuid instead of c: which was the right to choose), now everytime I restart vm, it don't boot on cd, anyway the cd boot drive is set to my iso image but it don't boot on iso drive and launch my /dev/md0 anytime, no matter I recreate md0 from start. Now if someone got an idea to remove all work done and start again uuid setting process, and |
| 18:34.19 | eKyNoX | permit me to load cd drive for this, I will really love this. Thanks anyway. |
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| 18:43.55 | petn-randall | eKyNoX: You might have more luck asking in a vmware channel, this is #debian. |
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| 18:45.58 | eKyNoX | petn-randall: I understand, but the commands or workaround that will maybe resolve the problem (reseting from scratch /dev/md0) is about mdadm, a debian package. |
| 18:46.51 | eKyNoX | normally it boot on CD; why after having set wrong uuid, it do not boot on; and how to reset mdadm drive entirely ? |
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| 18:59.32 | jhutchins | eKyNoX: #vbox |
| 18:59.50 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 19:01.44 | woshty | somiaj: turns out, steam will not run unless I get libc 2.17 :/ The package is just a launcher for the installer. |
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| 19:01.50 | kale | i'm going for virtualization using debian as the first OS. But i am new to this and do not know which to pick, kvm or xen. any advice on this? |
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| 19:03.13 | woshty | kale: that mainly depends on what you want to do and what hardware you are on. "First OS" being the host OS? |
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| 19:04.35 | kale | woshty: yes, debian as host |
| 19:05.13 | kale | woshty: i guess i will only run linuxes on it |
| 19:05.34 | woshty | kale: and there is also virtualbox |
| 19:05.36 | kale | woshty: hardware is i7 12GB |
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| 19:05.46 | kale | woshty: ohh, no gui |
| 19:05.58 | woshty | it has headless mode |
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| 19:06.32 | kale | woshty: i am currently using virtualbox for a negativescanner, the windows inside it is very slow |
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| 19:06.46 | woshty | kale: but between xen and kvm I would pick kvm |
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| 19:07.30 | woshty | kale: kvm can run without (using) a virt extension in the cpu. It is really slow then. |
| 19:07.31 | kale | woshty: what are the reasons for that? is it faster/easier/ |
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| 19:08.12 | woshty | kale: I never liked xen :) |
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| 19:09.34 | kale | i have ordered a 4GB IDE flash module, i am planning to put the host os on this. would that be enough space for debian/kvm? (i have 6x2TB SATA in a raid10 for the virtual machines) |
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| 19:14.48 | ulipo1991 | Hi all |
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| 19:15.32 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm experiencing really low (1 MB/s) throughput with rsync on my LAN, and I have no idea why it's so slow. |
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| 19:16.43 | petn-randall | nmschulte: run 'atop' on both sides, I'm guessing it's tunneled through ssh and cpu bound. |
| 19:16.45 | nmschulte | Can anyone help me increase the throughput? Both machines are very capable 3rd/4th gen Intel Core CPUs with plenty of RAM and moderate disks, with typical installs of Debian (running sid, however, but I doubt that's the culprit), |
| 19:17.01 | nmschulte | petn-randall: htop shows low CPU usage; would atop show more info? |
| 19:17.05 | ulipo1991 | Hi all. I trying to install my Intel hd graphics on kali linux based on debian, i already read many forums but still can find a solution |
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| 19:17.24 | petn-randall | nmschulte: atop shows any limit in red, including i/o limit. |
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| 19:17.30 | syeekick | hey |
| 19:17.32 | syeekick | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8jtqkt59hdjkrf/IMG_20140403_200228.jpg |
| 19:17.37 | petn-randall | ulipo1991: kali is not supported here. |
| 19:17.37 | woshty | petn-randall: or it is running on a 10Mbit half-duplex due to cable issues |
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| 19:17.51 | petn-randall | woshty: Good point :) |
| 19:17.51 | syeekick | im stuck on this boot screen .. i tried gooogling it but to no avail |
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| 19:18.27 | petn-randall | syeekick: which release are you on? |
| 19:18.28 | nmschulte | Both are on LAN via 802.11n |
| 19:18.30 | jhutchins | kale: You cacn probably do a non-GUI system in 4GB, possible even full gnome. I'd go with 8G myself just to be safe, but 4... could be. |
| 19:18.41 | ulipo1991 | petn-randall: i know but as in the kali-linux there is no response i thought because is based on debian should work almost the same, right? |
| 19:18.43 | nmschulte | I suppose it could be a networking issue; any easy way to test throughput outside of rsync? |
| 19:18.48 | woshty | kale: Base install is about 800MB |
| 19:18.50 | syeekick | not sure |
| 19:18.56 | petn-randall | !tell ulipo1991 about based on |
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| 19:19.48 | ulipo1991 | petn-randall: sorry i still a newbie on linux, i barely have 3 weeks and i am having trouble with the intel graphics card |
| 19:19.49 | kale | woshty: i have debian netinst on a 512MB flash right now. uses 400megs. BUT when i ask it to use the online archives, then i run out of space. its wheezy. |
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| 19:20.24 | jhutchins | syeekick: Describe the screen for those of us who don't click on random images at work. |
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| 19:20.38 | praymann | @nmschulte "any easy way to test throughput outside of rsync?" I'm thinking iperf? |
| 19:20.48 | praymann | http://iperf.fr/ |
| 19:20.56 | nmschulte | praymann: I'll look into it, thanks! |
| 19:21.04 | praymann | np |
| 19:21.17 | ulipo1991 | ohh i see the msg |
| 19:21.20 | nmschulte | petn-randall: atop shows rsync as being nearly 100% DSK on both, but no red lines... |
| 19:21.22 | ulipo1991 | well thanks anyway |
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| 19:21.43 | woshty | kale: I have a few VMs with 1GB but doing updates or building kernel modules is cutting it close and a little annoying from time to time |
| 19:22.14 | petn-randall | nmschulte: Then I guess it's I/O bound ... many small files? Unusual filesystems? |
| 19:22.34 | nmschulte | ext4, currently a very large virtual machine file... |
| 19:22.45 | petn-randall | nmschulte: wifi will also give you slow I/O due to the high latency. |
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| 19:23.12 | nmschulte | petn-randall: Sure, but not 100x slower... |
| 19:23.25 | nmschulte | I wonder if there is lots of network interference causing issues. |
| 19:23.31 | nmschulte | praymann: iperf can tell me that? |
| 19:23.40 | datenritter | hi! i have a box here, where lo doesn't come up on boot. i have to manually run "ifconfig lo up". ("ifup lo" won't work, as lo is already configured...) any ideas what to check? |
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| 19:24.22 | datenritter | /etc/netork/interfaces contains: "auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback" |
| 19:25.16 | woshty | datenritter: other network interfaces? |
| 19:25.25 | datenritter | woshty: are all ok |
| 19:25.42 | woshty | datenritter: no clue then |
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| 19:26.21 | praymann | @nmschulte iperf will tell you network performance.. like throughput, packet loss, etc. |
| 19:26.26 | praymann | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/iperf-a-simple-but-powerful-tool-for-troubleshooting-networks/ |
| 19:27.03 | datenritter | woshty: ok... :-s |
| 19:27.15 | nmschulte | praymann: oh wow... I just switched to the other AP and now I'm getting 100+MB/s |
| 19:27.22 | nmschulte | Or at least I was briefly. |
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| 19:28.44 | syeekick | hey im back sorry just ried something with a reboot i tried: the command "pcscd" |
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| 19:29.48 | somiaj | woshty: Oh well, now you know. |
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| 19:30.44 | woshty | somiaj: Yeah, guess something like that .. which makes it strange to enforce i386 for a launcher .. instead of just setting some :i386 dependencies (if that would work) |
| 19:31.17 | woshty | "# This file does not exist. Please do not ask the Debian maintainer about it." .. lol |
| 19:31.46 | somiaj | woshty: You would need multiarch enabled to install those libaries anyways, so I think it is best so the easiest way to ensure that is make it an i386 package |
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| 19:32.14 | woshty | datenritter: I had a thought it might be udev-related .. did you modify anything there? |
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| 19:33.06 | woshty | somiaj: Yeah, you might be right .. but they do not check for the correct libc in the dependencies |
| 19:33.09 | TheAvatar | Anybody from Poland here? |
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| 19:34.01 | syeekick | could someone help me with my predicament please :) |
| 19:34.21 | syeekick | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8jtqkt59hdjkrf/IMG_20140403_200228.jpg |
| 19:34.25 | datenritter | woshty: erm... could be. |
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| 19:34.39 | somiaj | woshty: you could file a bug report. It is non-free and only in testing/unstable, maybe they would want to add that check. |
| 19:34.58 | datenritter | woshty: nothing about lo, though, IIRC. |
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| 19:35.48 | woshty | somiaj: for ppl like me trying to rebuild it on stable :) |
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| 19:37.43 | somiaj | woshty: wonder if you could run it in a chroot. Though not sure if the testing/unstable xorg libs would be compadable enough to display it on your stable xsession |
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| 19:42.05 | woshty | somiaj: Sounds like trouble, esp if testing changes somes libs |
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| 19:42.25 | nmschulte | praymann: definitely a networking issue; thanks! |
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| 19:42.41 | val_erie | I have debian wheezy and would like print few pages, but can not add a printer in system settings. The lsusb command shows the connected printer: Bus 005 Device 004: ID 03f0:5511 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet F300 series. Do I need to install anything? |
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| 19:43.11 | jhutchins | syeekick: I asked you to describe the image and never saw an answer. |
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| 19:43.21 | syeekick | okk |
| 19:43.22 | syeekick | erm |
| 19:43.29 | somiaj | val_erie: CUPS is what is used to configure. If you have cups installed use your webbrowser and goto localhost:631 -- from there you can configure printers too. |
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| 19:43.34 | syeekick | it says udevd[273]: specified group 'pcscd' unknown |
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| 19:43.47 | syeekick | its a boot screen error that lets me go no further |
| 19:44.35 | jhutchins | syeekick: Well, that's beyond the initial bootstrap and into system load. You said you didn't know what version you had? |
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| 19:44.56 | syeekick | no i dont know |
| 19:45.20 | eKyNoX | jhutchins: Thanks, I will try there. I agree my question is a lot related to #vbox. Anyway, I'll to ask them if I can't get myself sort out. Thanks again. |
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| 19:47.22 | jhutchins | syeekick: How long have you let it hang there? |
| 19:47.36 | jhutchins | eKyNoX: Good luck! |
| 19:47.56 | syeekick | 5 mins |
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| 19:48.41 | somiaj | syeekick: what version of debian? |
| 19:48.49 | syeekick | not sure |
| 19:49.11 | jhutchins | syeekick: That's an error with the software for a smartcard reader. |
| 19:49.23 | syeekick | thanks |
| 19:49.39 | jhutchins | syeekick: You're going to need some sort of live CD image to get around it and fix whatever you did. |
| 19:49.47 | syeekick | how does one rremove ccid? |
| 19:49.53 | syeekick | i can get into a recovery mode |
| 19:50.14 | somiaj | seems you have a udev rule that is wanting to use that group which doens't exist on your system. I would see what udev rule is requiring that group. |
| 19:50.19 | jhutchins | aptitude purge pcscd? |
| 19:50.38 | praymann | @nmschulte You're welcome! Glad I could recommend a tool for the job. |
| 19:51.27 | somiaj | also seems the pcscd group was removed from being used with the pscsd package, but thre are some udev rules that use it. |
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| 19:52.07 | somiaj | it seems libccid is the package that actually creates the udev rules needing that group. |
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| 19:52.38 | syeekick | roger that |
| 19:52.43 | syeekick | thanks |
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| 19:52.56 | syeekick | i done apt-get purge pcsd |
| 19:53.09 | jhutchins | Interesting, all the hits I get on this error are debian derivative distros, not debian. |
| 19:53.52 | somiaj | syeekick: get rid of libccid too, apt-get wont' take it out unless your run autoremove |
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| 19:54.03 | somiaj | jhutchins: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698535 |
| 19:54.14 | jhutchins | !kali |
| 19:54.14 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 19:54.17 | somiaj | jhutchins: though the bug isnt really related, it does explain where the udev rules are comming from. |
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| 19:54.42 | jhutchins | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.kali.org%2Fshowthread.php%3F18488-After-Install-Kali-Linux-1-0-4-64-Bit&ei=7Lo9U9nFB6bI2AX--YHgAw&usg=AFQjCNGYMILENjY83NMb20qL5yaGuhp09Q&bvm=bv.64125504,d.b2I |
| 19:54.51 | jhutchins | Sorry, stupid google. |
| 19:55.01 | jhutchins | https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?18488-After-Install-Kali-Linux-1-0-4-64-Bit |
| 19:55.17 | jhutchins | Known issue with kali, which is what syeekick is running. |
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| 19:55.33 | syeekick | yeah im sorry |
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| 19:55.39 | syeekick | but thank you greatly |
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| 19:55.58 | syeekick | i'll know for the future. I appreciate it guys |
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| 20:17.36 | agh_ | I successfully built a .deb package and it installs fine, but when I launch it it does not start. Here is the terminal log: http://paste.debian.net/91535/ |
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| 20:18.57 | agh_ | That's it, more info as needed |
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| 20:20.49 | somiaj | agh_: looks like you are missing the config file /etc/libuser.conf |
| 20:21.48 | somiaj | agh_: I also notice the errors are python related, could be you are missing some python module or there is something wrong with the python scripts you installed |
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| 20:23.08 | jhutchins | agh_: You're going to continue to run into problems like that until the system's totally b0rked. You can't use Ubuntu packages on Debian, and vice-versa. |
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| 20:23.40 | jhutchins | agh_: You may occasionally get away with it for a small, stand-alone package, but generally you'll have these problems. |
| 20:23.53 | somiaj | ahh didn't notice it was a ubuntu package. (: |
| 20:24.06 | jhutchins | agh_: Debian splits samba up differently, puts things in different places, and has a different approach to configuring it. |
| 20:24.46 | jhutchins | agh_: I would purge the package, then figure out how Debian does what you're trying to do, instead of trying to do the same thing Ubuntu does. |
| 20:24.55 | jhutchins | !samba |
| 20:24.55 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 20:25.08 | jhutchins | !swat |
| 20:25.08 | dpkg | The <Samba> Web Administration Tool (SWAT) allows administration of a Samba server via a web browser. SWAT is no longer actively maintained, its default configuration is not secure for use over an untrusted network, and is not suitable for use in conjunction with hand-edited smb.conf files. Upstream support for SWAT was removed at Samba 4.1.0. |
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| 20:25.57 | agh_ | Yep, but I thought verahill (who answered on the forum to the OP) had tried it |
| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | Which is really too bad, because it was an excellent system, and at one point it did interact just fine with hand-edited configs. |
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| 20:26.54 | agh_ | I'm not too technical an user, what would you suggest me to do? Ditch it all? |
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| 20:28.21 | jhutchins | agh_: No, samba's not that hard if you read the docs (and your Windows environment is not too complex.) |
| 20:29.14 | jhutchins | agh_: From the fact that dpkg didn't link to any Debian-specific documentation, I would expect it to be fairly standard Samba setup. |
| 20:29.31 | agh_ | No, I mean ditch system-config-samba and go with cli? |
| 20:30.07 | jhutchins | agh_: I share files with CIFS over my home network as a holdover from when I had a Windows network too, and because it has some features NFS has. I also run an office where the PDC is a Samba server and the workstations are mostly XP. |
| 20:30.17 | jhutchins | agh_: Yes, very much so. |
| 20:30.44 | agh_ | I think, will do. Thanks |
| 20:30.51 | jhutchins | agh_: Good luck! |
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| 20:38.47 | m8 | I can install from apt a previous linux kernel? |
| 20:38.57 | m8 | I've problems with 3.13 i want to roll back to 3.12 or 3.10 |
| 20:40.09 | centrx | m8, Your old kernel should already be installed? |
| 20:40.17 | centrx | m8, Select the old kernel at boot up in grub |
| 20:40.34 | m8 | centrx, is a new installation |
| 20:41.16 | tremon | !tell m8 -about snapshots |
| 20:41.27 | centrx | m8, How do you know it's a problem in the kernel and that an earlier kernel will have no problem? |
| 20:41.37 | m8 | centrx, it's for vmware tools |
| 20:41.58 | somiaj | m8: what version of debian do you run? |
| 20:42.05 | m8 | jessie |
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| 20:42.21 | m8 | somiaj, the fix is downgrade the kernel :| |
| 20:42.52 | somiaj | m8: snapshot.debian.org -- you can find old testing/unstable packages there |
| 20:43.00 | somiaj | or it may be .net I forget which one |
| 20:43.15 | m8 | somiaj, i've to add a source in sources.list? |
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| 20:44.07 | somiaj | m8: just download the .deb(s) you need and install them with dpkg -i would be my suggestion. I forget if they have a repo you can add to your sources |
| 20:44.37 | m8 | good |
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| 21:45.33 | Reelax | hi, i want to make the font larger in all windows. i user Gnome on Wheezy 7.4. |
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| 21:46.47 | mtn | Reelax: font settings are in gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 21:51.24 | Reelax | mtn: great thanks ! |
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| 22:22.55 | phillip__ | Question: Connect to server on gnome what program is it calling? |
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| 22:24.51 | YoungPadawan | nautilus i think |
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| 22:31.02 | lepon | how do I check for duplicate files on my drive, first by name AND ONLY THEN, WHEN NAME IS MATCHING by checksum? Did not find info about that on the internet. Thanks for suggestions |
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| 22:31.40 | lepon | (with minimalist command line tools, when possible) |
| 22:34.52 | peterrooney | lepon: your 'same name only' restriction has me wondering what you are really trying to do; fdupes should work quite well. if you're adamant about the names bit, fdupes --sameline and you may have to do some munging with awk or perl. |
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| 22:36.41 | deadmund | What is the current init system for debian testing? |
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| 22:36.59 | deadmund | please don't tell me it uses some combination of several |
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| 22:38.09 | centrx | deadmund, sysvinit |
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| 22:38.22 | deadmund | centrx: I see there is a lot of voting about moving to systemd ? |
| 22:38.31 | deadmund | centrx: what became of that? |
| 22:38.44 | vvor | apt-get install systemd |
| 22:38.56 | centrx | deadmund, Debian will be moving to systemd as the default, decided by the technical committee. |
| 22:39.08 | vvor | yep |
| 22:39.10 | deadmund | centrx: what's the timeline ? |
| 22:39.18 | centrx | deadmund, Currently any of them can be installed and apparently work fine. |
| 22:39.36 | deadmund | thanks :) |
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| 22:42.01 | peterrooney | That made me laugh out loud. |
| 22:42.16 | deadmund | ? |
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| 22:47.08 | shawnbon206 | deadmund backup first and try to install it |
| 22:47.22 | shawnbon206 | youre on jessie i presume ? |
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| 22:52.02 | deadmund | shawnbon206: Installing it now. Curious what the default init system is. I don't really plan on changing it. Someone said it was sysvinit |
| 22:52.11 | deadmund | but it will change to systemd some time |
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| 22:53.15 | shawnbon206 | i doubt it will change for existing installations just by dist-upgrade |
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| 22:53.30 | sumkindaseal | hi |
| 22:53.39 | sumkindaseal | can u help w openvpn client |
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| 22:54.48 | lepon | peterrooney: it looks like fdupes is primarily for checksum matching and byte-by-byte comparisons. Upon looking into its manpages, it doesn't look like fdupes is apt for looking for files with same name. Since all big files on my system which are duplicate have the same name, it's expedient to check names first to not have the checking last for hours computing any files' hashes |
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| 23:00.24 | peterrooney | lepon: file sizes are checked first, which saves a lot of time. |
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| 23:07.06 | wenshan | Debian is creating huge logs under /var/log, `sudo rmmod mei_me mei` can stop this, but the problem come back after restarting the system. |
| 23:07.40 | wenshan | OS: 3.10-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10.11-1 (2013-09-10) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:08.18 | tremon | 3.10? that hasn't been available in a while |
| 23:08.46 | petn-randall | wenshan: Doesn't look like a current Debian kernel to me. |
| 23:08.51 | tremon | even backports has 3.13 |
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| 23:10.27 | wenshan | hmm... seems I'm using a quite outdated debian, should I run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:10.46 | wenshan | except this issue it runs perfectly for me |
| 23:10.53 | petn-randall | wenshan: Depends on what release you're running currently. |
| 23:11.11 | petn-randall | wenshan: What does 'cat /etc/debian_version' give you? |
| 23:11.31 | wenshan | jessie/sid |
| 23:12.02 | petn-randall | wenshan: And what release name do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 23:12.50 | wenshan | "testing" |
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| 23:13.05 | wenshan | which is more "generic", I guess |
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| 23:13.43 | Kirito | Can I get the default configuration arguments for Debian's PHP? |
| 23:13.59 | Kirito | I can't seem to find a way to output the configuration arguments used from PHP itself |
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| 23:14.17 | petn-randall | wenshan: change that to 'jessie', otherwise you'll be in for a surprise in a year. |
| 23:14.22 | peterrooney | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:14.23 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.13+56~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.13+56; sid: 3.13+56 |
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| 23:15.03 | sdf10809 | wouldn't testing keep him on testing though and not shift him to stable? |
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| 23:15.34 | Kirito | I don't think you can even "shift" from testing to stable |
| 23:15.37 | Kirito | ever* |
| 23:16.12 | sdf10809 | well what happens if you have "jessie" in sources.list and then jessie goes stable in a year? |
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| 23:16.49 | Kirito | ...well, then I guess you'd be using stable? (Jessie isn't the permanent codename for unstable, right?) |
| 23:17.07 | sdf10809 | jessie is testing right now. sid is unstable |
| 23:17.10 | petn-randall | well, jessie would at some point be released, then you'll be running a stable system. If you keep 'testing' there, your system will be unusable after the release of jessie, when the libraries slowly trickle into testing and will break all kind of things. |
| 23:18.00 | centrx | That's a little excessive |
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| 23:18.04 | centrx | I always keep it on "testing" |
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| 23:18.35 | petn-randall | centrx: You do? Oh, wow. You must love the pain ;) |
| 23:18.36 | Kirito | Expecting jessie to go stable in a year, that sounds a little optimistic though >_< |
| 23:18.41 | Kirito | sid sure |
| 23:19.09 | sdf10809 | sid won't ever go stable. it's static. lol |
| 23:19.51 | Kirito | So sid is a permanent codename for unstable, but jessie isn't for testing? |
| 23:20.01 | petn-randall | Kirito: right. |
| 23:20.01 | dondelelcaro | Kirito: correct |
| 23:20.09 | Kirito | Okay, I got it now, thanks. |
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| 23:20.40 | Kirito | I had that completely backwards too |
| 23:20.49 | woshty | Can I somehow reinstall all packages that get install by build-dep package? |
| 23:21.00 | centrx | --reinstall |
| 23:21.22 | lepon | how unintuitive |
| 23:21.28 | wenshan | source.list is updated, what's now? apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:21.48 | sdf10809 | yes |
| 23:21.58 | sdf10809 | or dist-upgrade |
| 23:22.12 | petn-randall | wenshan: apt-get update first |
| 23:22.13 | woshty | centrx: where would I put that? |
| 23:22.39 | sdf10809 | oh ya, i took that comment to mean you had already run update |
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| 23:23.15 | centrx | woshty, probably apt-get build-dep --reinstall |
| 23:23.22 | lepon | I have used both apt-get and aptitude a lot and can say from experience that aptitude is MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT in solving dependency conflicts, etc. |
| 23:24.15 | woshty | centrx: no joy .. there is a reinstall command, but that is at the same lvl as build-dep and need packages as a parameter |
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| 23:24.48 | centrx | huh? |
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| 23:26.40 | woshty | centrx: ah, apt-get has a --reinstall. But it does not install anything with a build-dep |
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| 23:28.36 | highbass | hey guys... i have a wierd issue.. have an application that rights to /tmp directory... after a while the app fails saying /tmp is full... when i do a df -h or check mount i notice that /tmp is not a tmpfs or on a different mount... is there something else going on that i am missing with debian? |
| 23:28.41 | highbass | any ideas why t his might be? |
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| 23:30.39 | wenshan | oh, yes, it's a habit to run apt-get update after any changes to the source.list, I'm considering to add a hook to emacs to run that command :) |
| 23:31.35 | lepon | wenshan: what reason is there for not using aptitude? |
| 23:33.33 | wenshan | lepon: it requires typing a few more chars :P |
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| 23:34.41 | lepon | wenshan: really? I just type "apti" <tab> |
| 23:35.04 | woshty | lepon: does that work? running aptitude directly after changes to sources.list? at some point it certainly did not .. |
| 23:35.21 | lepon | but, seriously, why are most people still using apt-get since aptitude has been intelligent for years? |
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| 23:35.53 | centrx | lepon, It is just a different style |
| 23:35.54 | lepon | woshty: one should run "aptitude update" after chanaging /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:36.12 | lepon | centrx: you mean being old school and stuff? |
| 23:36.21 | lepon | or is there a sane reason? |
| 23:36.28 | lepon | :-) |
| 23:36.38 | woshty | I really liked dselect! |
| 23:37.25 | woshty | lepon: At some point that did not work properly, and many ppl still stick with calling apt-get update before running aptitude apparently |
| 23:37.31 | centrx | lepon, There is actually nothing inherently better about package installation or dependency resolution with aptitude vs apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:37.38 | wenshan | lepon: hmm, I think the main reason is I learned apt this way back years ago and it still works well in most scenarios |
| 23:38.33 | lepon | woshty, centrx, wenshan: I have used both apt-get and aptitude a lot and can say from experience that aptitude is MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT in solving dependency conflicts, etc. |
| 23:38.59 | lepon | have never had apt-get solve something that aptitude did not, but vice versa, a lot |
| 23:39.23 | centrx | lepon, I've never had apt-get not solve it |
| 23:39.51 | lepon | it works best when only using aptitude for database integrity |
| 23:40.14 | lepon | centrx: apt-get does not provide as good solutions as does aptitude |
| 23:40.26 | lepon | when having inherent dependency conflicts |
| 23:40.31 | deego | lepon: Do you know the aptitude equivalent of apt-get install --purge foo ? |
| 23:40.42 | deego | ^^ I've been looking for that for ages. |
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| 23:41.22 | centrx | They use the same code |
| 23:41.26 | lepon | deego: why not just "aptitude purge foo" ? |
| 23:41.50 | deego | lepon: look at the command. It's installing foo, not purging it. |
| 23:41.53 | lepon | deego: except if you find it stilysh to purge something within an install line |
| 23:41.56 | deego | --purge is for any incidental removes. |
| 23:42.05 | lepon | aah |
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| 23:43.48 | lepon | deego: since apt-get's manpage does only explain it along with "remove" I guess it's not intended to use it along with "install". In fact, what do you need that line for? |
| 23:44.23 | deego | lepon: To purge - instead of removing - any removes that apt-get (aptitude) causes. |
| 23:44.27 | deego | .. while upgrading. |
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| 23:45.22 | grok | asks patrick volkerding to revamp and modify the whole debian package mgmt system |
| 23:45.44 | lepon | deego: what about aptitude's --purge-unused ? |
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| 23:47.41 | deego | lepon: Yes, but that's a separate command, right? It purges /any/ unused packages, not /only/ the ones that are being currently removed during an upgrade. |
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| 23:48.45 | deego | I don't know why they never ported something as simple and useful as --purge to aptitude. :| |
| 23:48.56 | lepon | deego: what's the problem with it being a separate command? If it's that important it might be considerable to tell aptitude's devs this particular issue |
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| 23:50.20 | deego | lepon: Well, I don't see the equivalent. And, even if it is, it's more work that way. Keeping track of the 35 pkges that aptitude deinstalled, an trying to purge /only/ those. |
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| 23:52.02 | lepon | deego: why struggle purging only those? I usually just backup the configs of packages to purge in cases when I need them later. I find that more straightforward than keeping them along the configs of all the installed packages |
| 23:52.23 | lepon | ... and so just purge all packages to be removed |
| 23:52.27 | deego | lepon: Because deinstalling others rather than purging /may/ be useful on some systems. :) |
| 23:52.53 | deego | There's a reason deinstall is the default, after all :) |
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| 23:53.31 | woshty | On that topic .. apt-get source is what in aptitude? |
| 23:54.01 | lepon | woshty: you can keep using that since it doesn't change the APT database |
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| 23:54.25 | lepon | woshty: and so doesn't affect aptitude's consistency |
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| 23:54.54 | woshty | lepon: that makes thing complicated .. :) |
| 23:55.39 | lepon | woshty: since it doesn't install/remove/... anything, I don't find it complicated |
| 23:55.46 | deego | (There's "aptitude purge" but again, purge is not same as --purge.) |
| 23:56.07 | iceisfun | I am getting nouveau 0000:01:00.0: no native mode, forcing panel scaling |
| 23:56.13 | iceisfun | and my monitor is flickering on and off |
| 23:56.22 | iceisfun | how do i switch back to regular text mode |
| 23:56.24 | woshty | lepon: I hoped I could stop using apt-get altogether .. |
| 23:56.45 | deego | woshty: Same. I tried pretty hard to switch to aptitude. Could never make the switch. :) |
| 23:57.00 | shingouz | iceisfun: ctrl+alt+backspace should do it |
| 23:57.09 | iceisfun | how can i set it on boot though |
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| 23:57.14 | lepon | woshty, centrx, wenshan, deego: Usually, when I am about to remove packages, I first think about whether I am going need the configs of some of those packages (which is rarely the base), if yes back them up, and purge them all |
| 23:57.23 | iceisfun | i have a base 7.4 install with ssh server and base system |
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| 23:57.40 | shingouz | iceisfun: you mean you do not want to have your system boot into X? |
| 23:57.45 | iceisfun | i do not have X |
| 23:57.47 | vanila | will we be forced to use systemd from now on? |
| 23:57.51 | iceisfun | It is a weird console mode with small fonts |
| 23:58.01 | iceisfun | I want regular 80x25 console mode |
| 23:58.05 | deego | lepon: yeah, me too :) |
| 23:58.12 | lepon | deego, woshty: if it's only about aptitude not being named apt-get, the reason for not using it is insane :) |
| 23:58.38 | lepon | deego: if you do, you shouldn't have this "install --purge" issue altogether |
| 23:58.47 | deego | lepon: No, as I explanied, for me, it's about missing functionality. |
| 23:58.47 | shingouz | iceisfun: i believe you have a framebuffer console enabled in that case. check your grub configuration |
| 23:58.55 | woshty | lepon: I am contemplating not using aptitude anymore just to annoy you now ;) |
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| 23:59.03 | deego | <lepon> deego: if you do, you shouldn't have this "install --purge" issue altogether <<=== Well, I guess I work differently. LEt's agree to disagree. :) |
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