| 00:00.33 | shingouz | !tell iceisfun about fb |
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| 00:01.02 | shingouz | iceisfun: see what dpkg tells you. there seem to be some pretty good pointers |
| 00:01.04 | lepon | woshty: what is astonishing me is that plenty of people in fact don't make the switch for just that reason: being accustomed to writing "apt-get" instead of "aptitude" |
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| 00:01.23 | iceisfun | shingouz: thanks |
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| 00:02.08 | shingouz | lepon: let it be already. you use aptitude, some use apt-get, some work with dpkg and then there are a few who want to run redhat. |
| 00:02.09 | jvelasquez | hi. I'm writting a little script for /etc/init.d, a little python daemon, what's a good way that I could Shut it down, or get it's pid? |
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| 00:04.32 | iceisfun | ok I don't have a menu.lst on 7.4 |
| 00:04.40 | iceisfun | not in /etc or /boot |
| 00:04.53 | dvs | /boot/grub? |
| 00:05.01 | iceisfun | find /boot -name menu.lst |
| 00:05.02 | woshty | jvelasquez: there is start-stop-daemon .. |
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| 00:06.16 | woshty | .. but I never used it |
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| 00:09.38 | lepon | I know of the existence of people who want to use redhat only in theory |
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| 00:11.34 | nmschulte | Which package do I want to install (on amd64 port) to get x86 runtime support for C and C++ code? |
| 00:11.59 | nmschulte | I've got libc6-i386:amd64, but I need 32-bit libstdc++; not sure which package is best to pull that in. |
| 00:12.33 | Kirito | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4756491 :l |
| 00:12.39 | Kirito | What's my best option here? |
| 00:12.47 | YoungPadawan | nmschulte: multiarch |
| 00:13.04 | Kirito | backports..? |
| 00:14.04 | YoungPadawan | Kirito: sure seems that way |
| 00:14.10 | Kirito | Nevermind, libgd2 doesn't seem to be in wheezy-backpots |
| 00:14.22 | Kirito | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&keywords=libgd2 |
| 00:14.27 | YoungPadawan | you can go for apt pinning |
| 00:14.37 | YoungPadawan | with jessie on that package |
| 00:14.51 | nmschulte | YoungPadawan: I run sid. :) |
| 00:14.57 | Kirito | Yeah, that was my second thought, it's possibly dangerous to be doing that though, isn't it? |
| 00:15.03 | Kirito | Probably not for libgd I guess |
| 00:15.26 | YoungPadawan | nmschulte: i was talking to Kirito |
| 00:15.52 | YoungPadawan | Kirito: it depends on the libs depends |
| 00:15.58 | Kirito | Then again I don't even know if I really need or use gd anyways |
| 00:16.04 | Kirito | I try and use imagemagick wherever I can |
| 00:16.11 | YoungPadawan | Kirito: graphics manipulation |
| 00:16.11 | Kirito | So maybe I can do without |
| 00:16.24 | nmschulte | YoungPadawan: ah yes, sorry. There is no multiarch package in sid, only multiarch-support, which I have (and multiarch-support:i386) |
| 00:17.05 | Kirito | Yeah, I know what gd is. I'm just not entirely sure if any applications I use require it, I don't think they do, I use imagemagick for pretty much everything. Guess I'll find out first |
| 00:17.49 | YoungPadawan | nmschulte: do you have these? lib32asound2 ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk |
| 00:18.28 | YoungPadawan | nmschulte: and have you done: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 00:19.13 | nmschulte | I have done the latter, and the former packages don't exist in sid:amd64. |
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| 00:19.20 | YoungPadawan | i actually installed skype a few day's ago and had to do this because they don't have any amd64 packages |
| 00:19.36 | nmschulte | Perhaps I should ask in #debian-next... I didn't realize things had changed so much from stable. |
| 00:19.56 | YoungPadawan | :) |
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| 00:20.07 | nmschulte | I have to install the packages by hand (I need lib32stdc++6 on amd64), but the binaries execute, so things are working. |
| 00:20.56 | nmschulte | I was just hoping there was a package (like libc6-i386:amd64) which included the bits for g++ and other common libs (like libz/zlib). |
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| 00:22.06 | YoungPadawan | there should be some simple way to do it, but i'm not aware of it |
| 00:22.27 | babilen | , |
| 00:22.33 | YoungPadawan | i have learned something curious with you today :) |
| 00:23.00 | babilen | Kirito: Please don't mix releases, you can backport packages that you want from jessie/sid yourself if their build depdencies can be satisfied |
| 00:23.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kirito -about ssb |
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| 00:26.47 | YoungPadawan | babilen: cool, havent ever done that |
| 00:27.03 | YoungPadawan | never needed, lol |
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| 00:27.50 | YoungPadawan | babilen: and if the package build dependencies can't be satisfied? |
| 00:28.09 | YoungPadawan | in fact... what does that mean |
| 00:28.56 | somiaj | you may need to backport some of the build dependencies first, or it just may not be software compadable with stable |
| 00:29.09 | lepon | babilen: when writing "ssb" to the bot dpkg, it just answers with instructions, without telling what ssb is about |
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| 00:29.27 | YoungPadawan | lepon: it's pretty clear, lol |
| 00:29.32 | Kirito | Now imap is complaining, bah. "configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check your c-client installation." |
| 00:29.46 | lepon | YoungPadawan: it's not good style anyway |
| 00:30.31 | Kirito | /usr/lib/libc-client.a is there. Not sure why it can't find it. |
| 00:31.06 | YoungPadawan | Kirito: maybe you need to improve your ./configure switches |
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| 00:31.45 | Kirito | YoungPadawan, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4756578 are my configure arguments |
| 00:32.19 | YoungPadawan | when you make ./configure --help does it states how to pass library paths? |
| 00:32.22 | Kirito | Do I need to add /usr/lib to my libdir paths..? I wouldn't think I'd need to |
| 00:32.27 | Kirito | I guess I should try before asking |
| 00:32.58 | YoungPadawan | sometimes there are diferent switches for specific libraries |
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| 00:34.12 | Kirito | I have --with-imap=shared,/usr - which is what Debian's stock build uses |
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| 00:34.54 | YoungPadawan | ldconfig |
| 00:34.59 | YoungPadawan | and try again |
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| 00:36.19 | Kirito | No go. |
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| 00:36.27 | Kirito | http://askubuntu.com/a/259279 This is the ugly answer that I was hoping to avoid |
| 00:36.47 | Kirito | Seems to be the case with Debian though |
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| 00:39.26 | Kirito | Well, even symlinking /usr/lib/libc-client.a to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu doesn't fix it |
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| 00:40.56 | dondelelcaro | Kirito: why aren't you just using the debian package and backporting it? |
| 00:41.09 | Kirito | php5.5 |
| 00:41.24 | dondelelcaro | Kirito: php5.5 is in jessie and unstable. |
| 00:41.24 | jelly-home | ,v php5 |
| 00:41.25 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; jessie: 5.5.10+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.10+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~alpha3+dfsg-1 |
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| 00:42.52 | Kirito | It was also the appeal of keeping it stripped down to an install that only builds what I need into it, but considering it's mostly all shared libraries I doubt it's going to make any difference in overhead anyways. |
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| 00:44.03 | stf | hi i using lxde with debian, and want to configure xrdp the way, that i can continue a session which are stop by sitting directly before the machine. Is it possible and if, how? |
| 00:44.09 | dooglus | hi. I'm trying to install debian on a new laptop from a USB stick. when I boot, it takes me to a GNU GRUB command line prompt |
| 00:44.31 | dooglus | "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported" etc. is this a problem? |
| 00:45.16 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: usually, yes. But you can probably still boot and fix the problem |
| 00:45.46 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: can you help me through it somehow please? |
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| 00:46.20 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: the channel probably can; you'll have to give the error message that you're getting above that and explain in more detail |
| 00:46.21 | dooglus | dondelelcaro: the BIOS only has UEFI mode. I had to turn off secure boot before it would boot at all |
| 00:46.33 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: are you booting off of the usb stick? or have you already installed? |
| 00:46.54 | dooglus | there's no error message. it's just a black screen, white text, with 'GNU GRUB version 1.909-27+deb7u2' at the top |
| 00:47.00 | dooglus | I'm booting off the USB stick |
| 00:47.08 | dooglus | I made it from a .iso file using unetbootin |
| 00:47.38 | dvs | and it worked!?! |
| 00:47.55 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: yeah, unetbootin causes all sorts of problems, unfortunately |
| 00:47.59 | dooglus | dvs: ... and when I boot from it, I get a grub> prompt |
| 00:48.13 | dooglus | is there a better way to make a bootable usb stick? |
| 00:48.15 | dvs | no surprise here |
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| 00:48.25 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: use win32bootimager instead; it should work better |
| 00:48.32 | dondelelcaro | s/boot/disk/ |
| 00:48.36 | dvs | win32diskimager! |
| 00:48.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell dooglus -about win32diskimager |
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| 00:49.01 | Devastator | fyi, rufus always worked for me |
| 00:49.18 | dooglus | it's a windows program? |
| 00:49.27 | Devastator | yep |
| 00:49.39 | Devastator | can I paste the link? |
| 00:49.54 | dooglus | I have it |
| 00:50.07 | dooglus | but I don't have windows, other than a copy on this new laptop |
| 00:50.21 | dondelelcaro | well, if you have linux, use dd |
| 00:50.22 | dooglus | I didn't boot it - I expect it's going to ask me to agree to a bunch of unreasonable terms before I can run it |
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| 00:50.38 | dooglus | just dd the .iso onto /dev/sdb? or /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:50.39 | dondelelcaro | or cat |
| 00:50.47 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: onto /dev/sdb |
| 00:50.51 | dooglus | ok thanks. |
| 00:51.10 | YoungPadawan | dooglus: if that's the case, justctrl+shift+F3 |
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| 00:51.29 | YoungPadawan | it will get you into audit mode |
| 00:51.41 | YoungPadawan | and bypass oobe |
| 00:51.52 | YoungPadawan | so you don't need to accept nothing |
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| 00:52.08 | YoungPadawan | and you will get a fully working OS |
| 00:52.16 | YoungPadawan | just don't let it lock the screen |
| 00:52.40 | dooglus | so "cat debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb" should suffice? |
| 00:53.31 | YoungPadawan | dooglus: sorry, i didn't realised you had access to another linux box |
| 00:53.38 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: yes |
| 00:53.47 | dooglus | any need to sync or something after? |
| 00:53.49 | dvs | followed by sync |
| 00:53.56 | dooglus | k :) |
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| 00:54.23 | dooglus | I'm worried it's an issue with the BIOS on the new laptop, but I'll try this |
| 00:54.24 | dooglus | thanks |
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| 00:56.12 | dondelelcaro | it could be, but unetbootin has been known to cause all kinds of problems |
| 00:56.13 | dooglus | that worked. thanks guys! I never had trouble with unetbootin before, so assumed (wrongly) it was the BIOS' fault |
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| 01:17.55 | bananapie | I just installed Debian Wheezy 7.4 on my laptop. When I play a movie with mplayer, sometimes audio works, sometimes not. WHich log file might tell me what is going on ? |
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| 01:20.50 | centrx | bananapie, run mplayer with -v ? |
| 01:20.54 | centrx | bananapie, --verbose |
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| 01:22.17 | centrx | bananapie, Also try mplayer2 and vlc, see if they produce audio output |
| 01:22.23 | bananapie | ok |
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| 01:32.51 | d00t | does anyone here carry a knife with them regularily ? |
| 01:33.41 | buu | what |
| 01:34.00 | buu | That may win an award for the most random question in a while |
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| 01:34.06 | dvs | does for Windows users. |
| 01:34.10 | centrx | ,v knife |
| 01:34.11 | judd | No package named 'knife' was found in i386. |
| 01:35.07 | d00t | http://www.nestle.com/Media/NewsAndFeatures/Nestle-launches-BabyNes-first-comprehensive-nutrition-system-for-babies-Switzerland |
| 01:35.10 | d00t | oops |
| 01:35.11 | d00t | wrong window |
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| 01:35.46 | d00t | so how do i get debian into my computer? |
| 01:36.19 | ctmjr | with a knife? |
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| 01:36.34 | tekkbuzz | d00t: or a hammer and chisel. |
| 01:36.45 | d00t | which one requires less drilling? |
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| 01:37.17 | tekkbuzz | no drilling required! |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 01:45.30 | dooglus | so the installation finished, it told me to remove the installation media and hit return. I did that, and got a screen full of white noise, rapidly updating. I power cycled, then it booted to a black screen with flashing cursor. X.log.0 tells me it couldn't find a working display |
| 01:45.58 | dooglus | "screen(s) fouind but none have a usable configuration" :( |
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| 01:47.23 | dooglus | my next step would be to make an ubuntu bootable USB stick and see if that supports the hardware - but I'm sad to boot ubuntu |
| 01:47.44 | dooglus | it's Intel on-board video, so I'm surprised it doesn't work out the box |
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| 01:53.41 | nmschulte | Does anyone play League of Legends on Debian? |
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| 02:07.35 | Artemis3 | nmschulte, why bother with wine apps when there are native HoN and Dota2 clients? |
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| 02:08.51 | rednovae | i am trying to install debian 7.4.0 on a new machine. i get an error "no common cd-rom drive was detected". |
| 02:09.05 | rednovae | i am currently trying to mount the usb drive as /cdrom |
| 02:09.16 | themill | how did you prepare the usb drive? |
| 02:09.35 | rednovae | dd if=debian-stuff.iso of=/dev/sdUSB |
| 02:09.37 | rednovae | bs=4M |
| 02:09.59 | themill | boo :( I was hoping I'd just get to blame unetbootin |
| 02:10.18 | Artemis3 | try unetbootin, you might be surprised :) |
| 02:10.43 | rednovae | i also tried unetbootin, same problem |
| 02:10.46 | rednovae | i'll give it another go |
| 02:10.50 | Artemis3 | nah |
| 02:11.05 | themill | unetbootin is the usual cause of that error |
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| 02:11.18 | Artemis3 | if both methods fail there is something else |
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| 02:12.03 | rednovae | i'll just see if i can pxe boot it |
| 02:12.21 | Artemis3 | oh lol if you don't mind setting that up of course it works :) |
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| 02:13.16 | rednovae | yeah, running out of options |
| 02:13.30 | nmschulte | Artemis3: Because there is no native LoL client? |
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| 02:13.54 | nmschulte | I'm going to have a tough time convincing friends to stop playing LoL and to play HoN and Dota2 instead... |
| 02:14.09 | nmschulte | Playing with friends basically trumps the DFSG, unfortunately. |
| 02:14.18 | nmschulte | Otherwise there's not really any point in playing... |
| 02:15.08 | Artemis3 | rednovae, which iso did you try? |
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| 02:16.23 | rednovae | debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 02:17.31 | dooglus | I tried using dd with the ubuntu iso. it wouldn't boot. I tried unetbooting, it gave me a grub> prompt. now I'm downloading a debian live iso |
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| 02:18.03 | Artemis3 | well these should work with dd |
| 02:18.36 | dooglus | should "debian-live-7.4-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso" work with dd? |
| 02:18.49 | Artemis3 | yes |
| 02:19.22 | zykotick9 | dooglus: are you _sure_ it's a amd64 CPU? |
| 02:19.27 | nmschulte | Not all machines support booting hybrid-iso though |
| 02:19.27 | dooglus | and would you expect debian 7.4 to support Intel onboard graphics out of the box? |
| 02:19.38 | nmschulte | dooglus: certainly |
| 02:19.50 | dooglus | typing 'arch' says x86_64 |
| 02:19.55 | dooglus | so I guess so |
| 02:20.36 | dooglus | lspci tells me VGA compatible controller: Inter ValleyView Gen7 (rev 0c) |
| 02:20.48 | dooglus | Intel* |
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| 02:21.09 | zykotick9 | dooglus: have you tried "nomodeset"? |
| 02:21.40 | dooglus | nope |
| 02:21.44 | dooglus | where do I type that? |
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| 02:22.27 | Artemis3 | if you are getting the grub menu i don't think its a problem with either dding or unetbootin |
| 02:22.28 | zykotick9 | at grub use "e" to edit, add "nomodeset" to the kernel line, then ctrl+x to boot (confirm that, it should say) |
| 02:23.03 | nmschulte | Artemis3: agreed |
| 02:23.17 | Artemis3 | ie the image is booting properly, but later the kernel doesnt like your drive, i think i have seen that error before but can't remember well |
| 02:23.20 | nmschulte | I think grub is i386 code though, right? |
| 02:23.31 | nmschulte | so it's possible the disk is for the wrong architecture, but grub plays nice? |
| 02:23.33 | nmschulte | not sure |
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| 02:24.09 | Artemis3 | well the wrong architecture usually just hangs there heh |
| 02:25.35 | dooglus | I add nomodeset to the kernel line, hit control-x, and it puts an 'x' after 'nomodeset', like I wasn't holding ctrl |
| 02:25.43 | dooglus | no the keyboard isn't working either... |
| 02:25.48 | nmschulte | Might be worth trying the testing/alpha/beta debian installer builds instead? |
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| 02:26.05 | nmschulte | dooglus: you on a laptop? |
| 02:26.10 | dooglus | F10 does the same though, so I tried that |
| 02:26.12 | nmschulte | my Clevo P150SM does the same |
| 02:26.15 | dooglus | ^x to F10 to boot |
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| 02:26.58 | dooglus | it's a laptop, yes |
| 02:27.13 | dooglus | it still boots to a flashing white underline cursor only |
| 02:27.26 | nmschulte | What is the laptop? |
| 02:27.48 | nmschulte | Are you trying to do Optimus/Enduro? |
| 02:27.50 | dooglus | it's an acer aspire e1-510-4413 |
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| 02:28.03 | dooglus | I'm just trying to install debian |
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| 02:28.06 | dooglus | nothing fancy |
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| 02:28.22 | neomatrixx | Guys, can somebody help me? |
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| 02:30.13 | neomatrixx | I'm on a old hardware and want to install Debian but my pendrive is only 2gb so i can't install trough the ISO, there is another way? |
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| 02:30.24 | neomatrixx | I just want to make a clean install with xfce4 |
| 02:30.48 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: ahhh the cd1 images (and netinst) are smaller then 2GB... |
| 02:31.17 | neomatrixx | What is the difference between CD1-5? |
| 02:32.27 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: chances are, cd1 is 99.99% all you need (UNLESS you don't have the internet!) |
| 02:32.57 | neomatrixx | It's my first time on Debian, i come from Ubuntu/Crunchbang/Elementary |
| 02:33.08 | neomatrixx | is hard to install XFCE4 and the default repositories |
| 02:33.11 | neomatrixx | to install my other apps |
| 02:33.30 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: personally, if you have interenet (ethernet) during install, i'd use netinst YMMV. enjoy debian! |
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| 02:34.16 | neomatrixx | netinstall is trough command line? |
| 02:34.24 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 02:34.39 | zykotick9 | actually, it MAY even have a gui? |
| 02:34.58 | neomatrixx | i'm not very familiar with linux command line |
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| 02:35.06 | neomatrixx | only apt-get and those basic comands |
| 02:35.24 | zykotick9 | "graphical install" i seem to remember seeing ;) but i _always_ use the ncruses based install (it's not hard)... |
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| 02:36.17 | neomatrixx | debian command install is like arch linux? |
| 02:37.23 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: i wouldn't know - but i _highly_ doubt it! blue screens with menus (arrows+tab+space to navigate) |
| 02:37.38 | themill | If you can hit enter 13 times, you can install debian using the text mode installer. |
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| 02:38.04 | zykotick9 | themill: EXCPET for the confirm on partitioning! |
| 02:38.14 | neomatrixx | partitioning sucks |
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| 02:38.28 | neomatrixx | i'm used to windows c/ d/ ntfs - enter - done |
| 02:38.38 | neomatrixx | in linux i have to create, home, swap and root, right? |
| 02:38.40 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: it CAN be automatic with d-i |
| 02:39.46 | neomatrixx | graphics install seems easier, there is an option for xfce4? |
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| 02:40.18 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: probably, but i'd install a base system, reboot into it - then aptitude install what i actually wanted YMMV |
| 02:40.56 | neomatrixx | base system includes a desktop environment? |
| 02:41.06 | neomatrixx | and basic apps |
| 02:41.34 | rednovae | maybe this helps with my issue about no common cd-rom drive was detected |
| 02:41.38 | rednovae | there's only sda in /dev |
| 02:41.42 | rednovae | no sda2 or sda5 |
| 02:41.53 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: what i'm suggesting would involve "unchecking" desktop environment during the initial install (what you have to figure out, is how to select xfce desktop there - and i don't know how, sorry) |
| 02:42.17 | neomatrixx | that's okay, thanks for the help |
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| 02:43.00 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: i'm 90% sure there is a debian-xfce cd1 install image |
| 02:43.52 | neomatrixx | i'll look for it, if i messed up everything i'll search for a debian-based distro |
| 02:44.03 | zykotick9 | !tell neomatrixx about install xfce |
| 02:44.38 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: looks like you can do it from the netinst pretty easily :) |
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| 02:48.22 | neomatrixx | i found it on debian ftp |
| 02:48.24 | neomatrixx | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 02:50.14 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: did you see that PM from dpkg? it explains the various methods very well - anything you seed from dpkg in <these> you can "/msg dpkg these" to see more... |
| 02:50.30 | rednovae | ok, now i get missing firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw . this is the only NIC on this machine |
| 02:50.52 | rednovae | oh nevermind |
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| 02:51.20 | dvs | jessie firmware? |
| 02:51.24 | zykotick9 | rednovae: NOTE i was dealing with an rtl wireless today - the required firmware is in non-free in my case :( |
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| 02:51.52 | neomatrixx | zykotick9: sorry, it's my first time using irc, i'm not even using a client, just a web-based irc room. |
| 02:52.16 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: oh, i'll post it public then... sorry channel. |
| 02:52.26 | zykotick9 | !install xfce |
| 02:52.27 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 02:53.23 | neomatrixx | Oh, that's great! Solved my problems, thank you very much! **thank you too, dpkg** |
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| 02:55.01 | dooglus | I copied the debian-live ISO to a USB stick, tried booting from it, but it just booted the hdd install :( |
| 02:55.08 | dooglus | I'm having to luck at all here |
| 02:55.11 | dooglus | no* |
| 02:55.32 | neomatrixx | dooglus: use unetbootin, worked for me |
| 02:55.36 | zykotick9 | dooglus: does your system have a boot selection option? |
| 02:55.56 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: unetbootin is a BAD suggestion 99.9% of the time! dooglus |
| 02:56.04 | dvs | dooglus: How did you copy it to a flash drive? |
| 02:56.32 | zykotick9 | does have a 0.1% use case! my asus m3a32-mvp. |
| 02:57.01 | neomatrixx | zykotick9: why unetbootin is a bad suggestion? |
| 02:57.30 | dooglus | zykotick9: yes. good idea. F12 |
| 02:57.35 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: it like to be unable to find a cd... (and other errors) <- unetbootin i mean! |
| 02:57.45 | dooglus | I'm mostly using 'cat' to copy it, then sync |
| 02:57.55 | dvs | that'll work. |
| 02:58.05 | zykotick9 | dooglus: i like cat or cp better then dd myself |
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| 02:58.27 | neomatrixx | zykotick9 |
| 02:58.28 | neomatrixx | zykotick9: do you know any other software that does the same thing but better? |
| 02:59.02 | dooglus | F12 worked - it's booting a ubuntu 13.10 image now - I wanted to see if that supports the graphics hardware |
| 02:59.29 | zykotick9 | neomatrixx: if windows/mac = NO ("I" don't). if the media is hybrid cd/usb, then cat or cp is what "i" use... |
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| 02:59.48 | dooglus | ubuntu boots to a black screen - no flashing cursor |
| 03:00.09 | neomatrixx | dooglus: are you on a ubuntu 13 live cd right now? can you test something for me? |
| 03:00.10 | zykotick9 | _certainly_ doesn't care what ubuntu does... |
| 03:00.25 | dooglus | I am neo, but it's just black. ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing |
| 03:01.45 | neomatrixx | dooglus: oh... on my ubuntu live usb i can't install anything i type "sudo apt-get install appname" but nothing happen, just a bunch of errors |
| 03:02.10 | dooglus | we're going to get into trouble if we talk about this here :) |
| 03:02.56 | neomatrixx | oh yeah, i forgott this is #debian haha |
| 03:03.50 | dooglus | omg. adding nomodeset to the kernel options gets me a splash screen! |
| 03:04.03 | dooglus | ... then black |
| 03:06.06 | zykotick9 | dooglus: try removing "quiet" or anything else, from kernel options. you didn't happen to use encrypted-lvm did you (might be waiting for password input)? |
| 03:07.06 | zykotick9 | dooglus: keep nomodest though, if it got you further! |
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| 03:13.25 | nmschulte | I receive this libGL error when running wine: libGL error: dlopen /usr/local/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/local/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) |
| 03:14.04 | nmschulte | I've built mesa and dri from source, hence the /usr/local, but I'm running a 32-bit Windows application from wine32 on the amd64 port. |
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| 03:14.23 | nmschulte | How do I go about resolving this issue? I don't think it's as simple as building mesa and dri for x86... |
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| 03:20.40 | Loudergood | !multilib |
| 03:20.50 | Loudergood | !install multilib |
| 03:21.05 | Loudergood | !install multiarch |
| 03:21.29 | Loudergood | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 03:22.11 | nmschulte | Bleh... that sounds difficult |
| 03:22.54 | Loudergood | it's not any harder than building |
| 03:23.06 | nmschulte | Alright then, I'll look into it. |
| 03:23.16 | nmschulte | I need to build a dpkg deb now to use that though, right? |
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| 03:24.44 | nmschulte | Wait a minute, I think I've done all of this before, playing with ldconfig and everything. |
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| 03:25.28 | nmschulte | Loudergood: Do you think it would be simpler to just build the dpkg like the maintainer does, but using the newer src? |
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| 03:26.41 | Loudergood | no you shouldn't have to |
| 03:27.19 | Loudergood | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 03:28.45 | nmschulte | What might happen if I install the :i386 xorg-xserver-video-intel driver? |
| 03:29.00 | Loudergood | it will pull in the dependencies as well |
| 03:29.14 | nmschulte | alongside my custom (and patched in via LD_PRELOAD, LIBGL_* and xorg.conf ModulePath config? |
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| 03:32.48 | nmschulte | Loudergood: Thanks, I should be able to take it from here. I forgot that I had done this in the past actually: I remember following a guide for building mesa w/ multiarch on debian. |
| 03:33.10 | Loudergood | Glad I could help |
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| 03:36.11 | nmschulte | For anyone curious/following along... http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo/ |
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| 04:31.20 | cypherman | hi people, is it possible to allow ping to a server on port 22 for ssh, that is running fail2ban? because since i installed that daemon, i cannot ping anymore |
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| 04:34.46 | cypherman | anyone? |
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| 04:37.58 | civillian | cypherman: ping doesn't have anything to do with ports |
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| 04:53.08 | simonlnu | Hi |
| 04:53.15 | rednovae | i have debian installed as a server. as the OS starts up the screen goes blank |
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| 04:54.54 | simonlnu | You installed a GUI I bet. |
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| 04:56.34 | rene_ | does anyone know how to sync an iphone into a lubuntu system? |
| 04:56.54 | themill | rene_: #ubuntu might |
| 04:57.11 | simonlnu | Not debian, ask #ubuntu. |
| 04:57.23 | rene_ | ok sorry |
| 04:57.45 | rene_ | i thought ubuntu was to debian as lubuntu was to ubuntu |
| 04:59.02 | rednovae | simon1nu sure didn't |
| 04:59.12 | rednovae | it seems like it happens when it tries to autoadjust teh resolution of the monitor |
| 04:59.18 | rednovae | from the default vga stuff |
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| 05:19.23 | Drenferalis | Trying to get boot-repair working on debian/ubuntu and the package isn't being found even after adding the repo. |
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| 05:20.40 | Drenferalis | Trying to get boot-repair working on debian/ubuntu and the package isn't being found even after adding the repo. |
| 05:20.47 | Drenferalis | woops bad copypasta |
| 05:22.02 | dooglus | hi guys. I was here a couple of hours ago trying to get debian to work with the Intel "ValleyView" video hardware. it turned out I needed the 3.12 kernel. what version is in the stable release? |
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| 05:46.54 | muhoo | has anyone built a debian wheezy package with znc with sasl support so i can fucking connect to freenode with it? |
| 05:47.16 | muhoo | it seems bizarre to ship a znc in debian that can't connect to #debian in freenode :-/ |
| 05:49.04 | themill | muhoo: sasl isn't required on freenode so it's not true that znc in debian is unable to connect to freenode; znc is quite backportable and the newer versions certainly support sasl. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:49.26 | muhoo | from many ip ranges, sasl is indeed required on freenode. |
| 05:50.02 | themill | s/many/some/, yes |
| 05:50.17 | muhoo | but it seems sasl.so is in znc-extra in ubuntu, so i'll use that if i can |
| 05:50.34 | muhoo | sadly, not in wheezy |
| 05:51.52 | themill | ,find /usr/lib/znc/saslauth.so |
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| 05:51.57 | judd | Search for /usr/lib/znc/saslauth.so in wheezy/i386: znc-extra: usr/lib/znc/saslauth.so |
| 05:51.58 | Tomek78 | hi |
| 05:52.50 | Tomek78 | how to change modern black gnome with big icons to classic style? |
| 05:52.53 | muhoo | no, that's saslauth |
| 05:52.55 | muhoo | that's not sasl |
| 05:53.03 | themill | ah, yeah |
| 05:53.16 | muhoo | saslauth is for users connecting to znc. sasl is for connecting to freenode et al. but no prob, i'll use the foreign package |
| 05:53.25 | muhoo | thx |
| 05:53.31 | themill | istr znc in wheezy predates znc growing sasl support; just backport the package |
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| 06:12.26 | average | what would you use in order to create images from the commandline, just like you create graphs with graphviz ? |
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| 06:12.40 | average | what I mean is, graphviz is awesome in that it offers you a DSL to describe graphs |
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| 06:13.04 | average | what could I use to create images in general, also using a DSL. what would be in your opinion a good tool for that ? |
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| 06:14.32 | average | it seems like http://glx.sourceforge.net/ would be pretty good for this |
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| 06:17.39 | testhelp | ubuntu has xorg edgers, steamos is debian + x/driver updates... does debian have a repo for the latest drivers and x? |
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| 06:17.52 | testhelp | a stable extension, not unstable itself |
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| 07:00.12 | alusion | if I want windows/linux compatibility with removable media |
| 07:00.16 | alusion | is fat32 a good choice |
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| 07:58.13 | alket | Hi, I was looking on debian site and couldn't find debian kde 7.4 ? could someone point me to torrent ? Thank you very much. |
| 07:58.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell alket about install kde |
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| 07:59.53 | alket | thank you babilen |
| 07:59.55 | babilen | alket: Which open up the possibility to use a netinst image (e.g. the one with firmware) or you can grab KDE CD1 from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ -- torrents are to be found in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 08:00.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell alket -about firmware image |
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| 08:01.44 | alket | babilen, many thanks |
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| 08:09.10 | zafu | hi, when I use /etc/network/interfaces with a "iface br0 inet dhcp" definition a br0 gets created but eth0 also gets the same address, and network access dies after a minute known issue? |
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| 08:13.46 | jelly | zafu: what's the full stanza for your br0? |
| 08:14.13 | jelly | in fact, show the whole file in a pastebin |
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| 08:39.43 | zafu | jelly: http://pastebin.com/64YDJHGb |
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| 08:40.52 | jelly | zafu: bridge_ports all? |
| 08:41.22 | zafu | I should add it? |
| 08:42.11 | jelly | zafu: I mean, is there a reason you did not explicitely specify which eth* devices belong to the bridge? |
| 08:42.22 | zafu | no |
| 08:42.33 | zafu | I only have one eth |
| 08:43.05 | jelly | zafu: did you disable/comment out eth0 configuration completely when br0 was active? |
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| 08:43.18 | zafu | ah, now it seems to work |
| 08:43.49 | zafu | I commented the eth0 stanza and used bridge_ports all |
| 08:43.52 | zafu | thanks |
| 08:44.14 | jelly | right, the member device _must not_ be configured |
| 08:44.19 | zafu | back to experimenting with some kvm's (they need br0) :) |
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| 08:44.51 | jelly | zafu: make sure there is no leftover dhcp client process running on eth0 anyway |
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| 08:45.25 | zafu | wise, but no leftovers |
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| 08:54.56 | xwalk | I was attempting to install nvidia-settings on Wheezy, but discovered that installing that would uninstall the 334 drivers I manually installed. Every time I install another application or do anything regarding apt-get, an uninstall script is run and tries to uninstall my current nvidia drivers. Is this something I need to tackle with apt-get or dpkg? |
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| 08:56.32 | SynrG | so i guess you haven't removed the half-installed nvidia-settings and now the desired state is now set to remove |
| 08:57.20 | xwalk | I was thinking it was a half-installation problem, but I wasn't sure. |
| 08:57.28 | SynrG | dpkg -l | grep ^r |
| 08:57.28 | dpkg | ii | grep ^r 1.8-15 synrg's private stamp collection |
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| 09:11.24 | xwalk | The "sudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove nvidia-settings" command returns a message stating that nvidia-settings isn't even installed, yet I'm getting the uninstall script to run every package installation. |
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| 09:12.10 | SynrG | xwalk: what's the state of the drivers, though? |
| 09:12.23 | SynrG | they may have been put in a 'remove' state |
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| 09:12.33 | SynrG | also, force shouldn't have been needed here |
| 09:12.45 | SynrG | force is a last resort when things are truly messed up |
| 09:12.56 | shawnbon206 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlwrbcczfudhl4x/Screenshot%20from%202014-04-04%2001%3A57%3A36.png |
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| 09:13.18 | phorce1 | Has *anyone* with dual monitors successfully upgraded from from squeeze to wheezy *including* xorg without having to completely wipe one's /home/user and set up xorg from scratch? This is a machine I work at daily so losing all of the menus and panels I've been using for years is not an option. Neither is spending several days trying to rebuild without being able to do any productive work. |
| 09:13.30 | babilen | shawnbon206: Yes? |
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| 09:13.59 | xwalk | SynrG: The stae for the nvidia-installer-cleanup package is iF. |
| 09:14.00 | shawnbon206 | sorry, wrong buffer |
| 09:14.02 | xwalk | state* |
| 09:14.13 | tremon | phorce1: you have xorg configuration under /home? |
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| 09:14.18 | SynrG | phorce1: gnome? sounds like a gnome issue, not an xorg issue. |
| 09:14.32 | tremon | ah |
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| 09:15.10 | SynrG | phorce1: gnome3 is a radical departure from gnome2 |
| 09:15.22 | phorce1 | xwalk: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ---- there's a package that removes nvidia stuff but I can't recall the name. It is *obvious* in the list though. dpkg --purge that package. |
| 09:15.40 | SynrG | how are 'menus and panels' an xorg issue? |
| 09:15.53 | SynrG | or did you just throw that in to confuse us? :) |
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| 09:16.06 | phorce1 | SynrG: yes, gnome. You know, the default desktop for a squeeze install. |
| 09:16.22 | xwalk | phorce1: nvidia-installer-cleanup. That was the target I was looking for. Thank you. |
| 09:16.27 | SynrG | phorce1: ok. i can't assume that. anyway, what's the actual problem? |
| 09:17.56 | SynrG | phorce1: i have heard you express what you're worried about, but not what actions you've performed, expectations, and result |
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| 09:19.57 | phorce1 | xorg/gnome won't run cleanly after upgrade. keeps duplicating entries on panels each time I log in. And the panels aren't actually "there" (eg. They can't be edited with a right click to remove the duplicates). The only way to somewhat solve this is to start with a completely empty /home/user. I've picked through trying to remove just .config-type directories but haven't hit on the right combination. |
| 09:20.42 | SynrG | xwalk: apt-get install should be sufficient to tell apt "no, i really want this installed" (for anything it wants to remove). although, that also will set the state to "manual" if it was formerly "auto" ... in the case of dpkg's "desired state", that can be queried with "dpkg --get-selections" (produces a lot of output; you'll want to grep it for stuff) and set with "dpkg --set-selections" (reads a bunch of lines of input from stdin: packagename ... |
| 09:20.48 | SynrG | ... desiredstate) |
| 09:21.02 | SynrG | xwalk: it's unclear to me which state is set |
| 09:21.35 | SynrG | xwalk: that's why i wanted you to do the "dpkg -l | grep ^r" or probably better "dpkg -l | grep ^ri" which shows things desired to remove but currently installed. |
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| 09:22.46 | SynrG | phorce1: you say panels. so you're using gnome classic? |
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| 09:23.29 | SynrG | phorce1: in gnome 3.2 gnome classic is seriously under-featured ... i gave up on using that anywhere, and settled on an alternative desktop for systems that couldn't run gnome-shell. |
| 09:23.42 | SynrG | xfce, lxde, kde ... |
| 09:23.46 | phorce1 | SynrG: the nvidia-installer-cleanup package I helped him find and purge stays in an "installed but not configured" state until it is manually purged ... I went through that also while upgrading. |
| 09:24.08 | SynrG | i see |
| 09:24.26 | SynrG | i missed that he already had the golden answer :( |
| 09:24.29 | SynrG | thanks |
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| 09:25.55 | SynrG | phorce1: is your graphics chipset incapable of running gnome-shell, or do you just prefer not to run it? (or am i confused and you really are running gnome-shell?) |
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| 09:26.18 | phorce1 | SynrG: I tried loading both Gnome and Gnome-Classic. Both broke. I've been googling trying to find out if anyone has written a guide as to which config files from /home/user need to be removed but no luck so far. |
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| 09:26.53 | SynrG | gnome3 moves away from text files to hold configs and uses dconf (see dconf-editor) |
| 09:27.17 | SynrG | maybe something screwed up in the gsettings-to-dconf migration |
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| 09:28.32 | phorce1 | I have an nVidia 520GX. There may still be driver issues there because when I try "Gnome" it does give me an error about Gnome3 failing due to graphics not being up to par. The card should handle it though. |
| 09:28.47 | SynrG | phorce1: tbh, with all my gnome3 installations, i just treated it as a clean slate and started populating the favourites manually |
| 09:28.59 | SynrG | ahh |
| 09:29.11 | slawekebi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.15 | SynrG | sec |
| 09:30.12 | phorce1 | SynrG: at home, on a machine I didn't need to use daily, I gave up after about 6 or 8 hours and did a clean install and switched to XFCE and lightdm in the process. |
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| 09:30.51 | SynrG | phorce1: in any case, if you get gnome-shell working (which is almost certainly a driver issue) your panels won't be there because it has no panels |
| 09:30.58 | woshty | How do I do a "make clean" the debian way after a failed run of dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 09:31.21 | SynrG | phorce1: there's a whole manual configuration process you'll need to go through there |
| 09:31.41 | SynrG | it took me a while to get things back to a fully usable state for me :/ |
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| 09:34.26 | phorce1 | SynrG: so, nothing resembling gnome-panel? Those top/bottom bars are pretty much required for the screen/desktop switching and prograam starting/closing I do all day. Sounds like I'll have to rebuild with XFCE here also. {sigh} Are the developers actively TRYING to be like M$FT? |
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| 09:35.41 | SynrG | phorce1: there are panels, but they're ... different |
| 09:36.03 | SynrG | phorce1: i don't think you'll like it |
| 09:36.33 | SynrG | i did manage to happily use "evil status icon forever" to relocate some things that are minimized to tray to the top panel ... |
| 09:36.45 | SynrG | as for launchers, they are put in a side panel |
| 09:37.00 | SynrG | you *might* find third-party extensions to make things look the way you like. but don't count on it |
| 09:37.08 | SynrG | and in any case, it's going to be a long, painful process. |
| 09:37.18 | phorce1 | I don't do side panels |
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| 09:38.04 | SynrG | right. if you're seriously dependent on configurable top/bottom panels, you want xfce or kde |
| 09:38.43 | SynrG | what is that card? i don't know what a 520GX is |
| 09:38.50 | SynrG | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 09:39.06 | SynrG | i was starting to look into that but couldn't find it in the README |
| 09:39.15 | SynrG | (and that's for a *sid* system) |
| 09:39.33 | phorce1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1040] (rev a1) |
| 09:39.44 | SynrG | ,pciid [10de:1040] |
| 09:39.45 | judd | [10de:1040] is 'GF119 [GeForce GT 520]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1040 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:39.58 | SynrG | ah, just GT 520, which is supported in the non-free driver as well |
| 09:40.23 | phorce1 | I got a letter wrong ... oops |
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| 09:40.26 | SynrG | you probably want the non-free driver for good performance. |
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| 09:40.57 | abhvym | do i have to do something extra to enable rc.enable in order to enable it in debian? |
| 09:41.04 | abhvym | it says enable execution bit? what is it? |
| 09:41.10 | SynrG | !nvidia dkms |
| 09:41.10 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 09:41.31 | phorce1 | I always use the non-free driver because nVidia is pretty good about adding tweals and speed enhancements with regular updates |
| 09:41.39 | tremon | abhvym: what's rc.enable? |
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| 09:42.16 | SynrG | i know rc.local ... but ... yes, like tremon i'm confused :) |
| 09:42.27 | abhvym | tremon, rc.local |
| 09:42.40 | SynrG | what do you mean by "enable rc.local"? |
| 09:42.51 | tremon | rc.local should already be there, and is "enabled" by default |
| 09:42.52 | SynrG | rc.local "just works" |
| 09:43.13 | SynrG | abhvym: maybe you can back up and say, in terms of end-user observable behaviours, what you want to accomplish ... |
| 09:43.37 | tremon | I'll settle for admin-observable behaviour ;) |
| 09:43.46 | abhvym | SynrG, tremon i am creating custome debian live iso. inside this iso if i manually do moun /dev/sda2 /mnt it works. but same do not work from the rc.local |
| 09:43.58 | abhvym | mount* |
| 09:44.30 | SynrG | abhvym: a) using live-build? b) if not, why not? c) if not, i can't really help, but i'm an expert with live-build (and that is supported on #debian-live) |
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| 09:45.13 | abhvym | SynrG, i went to live-build downloaded the binary hybrid iso it gave me and then i modified that only. |
| 09:45.30 | SynrG | you are modifying the iso? gaaah |
| 09:45.34 | SynrG | don't do that |
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| 09:45.52 | SynrG | remastering sucks. just build it properly to begin with |
| 09:45.57 | abhvym | i need a custome live iso. this is not for installation purpose. only live image. |
| 09:45.59 | SynrG | http://live.debian.net/manual/stable |
| 09:46.04 | tremon | I'd add set -x ; exec 2>&1 ; exec > /tmp/rc.trace to rc.local if you want to test what it does. But hard-coding /dev/sda2 is basically a hail-mary ;) |
| 09:46.14 | SynrG | so? see live-manual. that's how to make custom live ISOs |
| 09:46.18 | SynrG | i *will* not help with remastering |
| 09:46.32 | SynrG | it's a waste of time |
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| 09:49.18 | SynrG | abhvym: here's a nice loaded gun with the safety off. you may have more luck with that if your goal is really to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 09:49.44 | abhvym | ?? |
| 09:49.47 | abhvym | where is |
| 09:49.52 | tremon | abhvym: does rc.local do what it's expected to do when you run it manually? |
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| 09:51.13 | abhvym | tremon, yes |
| 09:51.14 | SynrG | i need an actual problem statement. |
| 09:51.28 | SynrG | "i want a live image that is exactly like ___, except it also does ___." or so |
| 09:51.38 | abhvym | tremon, it even mounts to /mnt if i run /etc/rc.locla manually. |
| 09:51.46 | tremon | SynrG: that's a goal, not a problem statement |
| 09:51.50 | abhvym | SynrG, "Custom" live cd |
| 09:52.15 | abhvym | tremon, but when i boot from the pen drive i do not have mounted to /mnt. |
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| 09:52.41 | SynrG | tremon: hair spittting. i need to know what he needs. :p |
| 09:52.43 | dokma | how do I list only packages that have been chosen as opposed to installed as a dependency? |
| 09:53.23 | SynrG | abhvym: by telling me you want a "Custom" live cd, you've told me *zero* about what you are actually trying to accomplish |
| 09:53.26 | SynrG | i give up |
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| 09:53.46 | abhvym | tremon, i have sda1 and sda2 on the pen drive. sda1 has live iso burned to it. sda2 has configuration data. so when pen drive boot i expert it to mount sda2 to /mnt |
| 09:53.58 | tremon | abhvym: make sure you have a start symlink in your runlevel to rc.local |
| 09:54.00 | abhvym | SynrG, ^ that is my goal |
| 09:54.08 | abhvym | tremon, what is start symlink? |
| 09:54.16 | SynrG | abhvym: and http://live.debian.net/manual/stable is *how to reach that goal* |
| 09:54.53 | tremon | it's a symlink that looks like /etc/rc?.d/Snn* |
| 09:55.06 | tremon | and links to /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 09:55.17 | SynrG | but it's a buttload of reading. i thought maybe you'd appreciate some guidance (i.e. quick howto, based on what you say you want to do) |
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| 09:56.17 | SynrG | abhvym: mkdir mylive ; lb config ; <some additional configuration goes here> ; sudo lb build |
| 09:56.20 | SynrG | ^^ that's basically how |
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| 09:56.33 | SynrG | er, sorry, one step missing |
| 09:56.40 | SynrG | abhvym: mkdir mylive ; cd mylive ; lb config ; <some additional configuration goes here> ; sudo lb build |
| 09:57.03 | abhvym | SynrG, i have got the current binary hybrid that exact same way only |
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| 09:57.28 | abhvym | SynrG, i am not looking answer for how to build live iso |
| 09:57.31 | SynrG | but customizing the iso that way is unsupported (and not really supportable in any meaningful way) |
| 09:58.02 | SynrG | fine. if you want to hack it that way, be my guest. it's an awful approach |
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| 09:59.08 | abhvym | tremon, when i run update-rc.d rc.local defaults it tells me update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match rc.local Default-Stop values (none) |
| 09:59.15 | abhvym | do i have to enalbe runlevel somewher? |
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| 10:00.18 | tremon | that's because rc.local doesn't have LSB header information, I wouldn't use defaults but 2-5 |
| 10:00.53 | abhvym | ok |
| 10:01.49 | abhvym | tremon, does debian uses upstart? any other way to load scripts after boot ? |
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| 10:02.32 | tremon | debian can use upstart, but doesn't by default. The other way to load scripts is to use cron |
| 10:02.50 | tremon | I think anacron has an @reboot timespec (at least fcron did) |
| 10:02.54 | abhvym | ox |
| 10:02.58 | abhvym | ok |
| 10:04.20 | brontosaurusrex | do i need to understand "drivers" to add some scaling math to curves baked from sound, or ....? |
| 10:05.56 | brontosaurusrex | ups, wrong channel ... |
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| 10:14.30 | bezaban | ,v saltstack |
| 10:14.32 | judd | No package named 'saltstack' was found in i386. |
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| 10:17.44 | petn-randall | ,v salt-master |
| 10:17.46 | judd | Package: salt-master on i386 -- squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.15.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.16.4-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.17.5+ds-1; sid: 2014.1.1+ds-1 |
| 10:17.50 | petn-randall | bezaban: ^^^ |
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| 10:18.58 | bezaban | yeah, thanks :) |
| 10:19.08 | babilen | bezaban: "/msg judd v salt-master" :) |
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| 10:19.38 | bezaban | babilen: yeah, I found it in query with ,v salt-minon after the first error |
| 10:19.44 | bezaban | just a lazy way of opening a query <.< |
| 10:19.52 | babilen | ack |
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| 10:56.48 | monkwitdafunk | Hi channel. I need help on the dvd's available using bittorrent. Can i use dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3 with synaptic or does it have to be the upgrade |
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| 10:58.03 | babilen | monkwitdafunk: Yes, and https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
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| 10:58.16 | monkwitdafunk | Ok |
| 10:59.54 | babilen | monkwitdafunk: Also look into "man 8 apt-cdrom" |
| 11:00.56 | indieross | i'm building up a new rig on newegg and i've got a few questions if anybody can advise me... |
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| 11:01.16 | indieross | i'm getting mini atx boad with 6 sata ports which will all be used for 20TB (6x4TB for /home) storage pool. I'm thinking about getting a usb 3.0 to sata 6 converter ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0YM0X90971 ) for my ssd (/boot and /root) and then plugging that directly into the usb 3 header on the mobo. do you guys see any problems with this or know of any issues ill run into such as performance degradation? |
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| 11:06.06 | frostschutz | indieross, does the board have a free pci-e? In that case I'd get a sata controller (asmedia 160x or similar, about $15) |
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| 11:06.47 | indieross | i was really trying to put in a graphics card to the pcie clot |
| 11:06.50 | indieross | slot |
| 11:07.38 | indieross | and there was no esata port on the back of the mobo i was scoping out |
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| 11:08.59 | agh_ | hello. I installed the package nautilus-share, the one that adds sharing options in nautilus, but when I share a folder it returns an error message: |
| 11:09.01 | agh_ | 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. The connection was refused. Maybe smbd is not running. |
| 11:09.06 | frostschutz | indieross, and $50 for usb3 to sata adapter is extremely overpriced, if you don't find any cheaper bare adapters, just get an enclosure they start at like $15 as well... |
| 11:10.11 | agh_ | I added myself to the group sambashare but it didn't change anything |
| 11:10.53 | indieross | frostschutz, i found the same one for 20-30 on a few different sites, i just like linking to newegg |
| 11:11.51 | agh_ | I executed with a root terminal "service samba start" |
| 11:12.51 | agh_ | here's the log: http://paste.debian.net/91629/ |
| 11:12.52 | monkwitdafunk | Get faceplate sheilds to protect your usb outlet |
| 11:14.02 | agh_ | sorry, that was service samba restart |
| 11:14.17 | indieross | frostschutz, if i went the the usb 3 route do you think i would be able to get the full goodput of the ssd drive (550MBps read and 480 write) |
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| 11:16.21 | agh_ | It seems that smdb is actually not started: service samba status [ ok ] nmbd is running. [FAIL] smbd is not running ... failed! |
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| 11:17.06 | agh_ | but how do I start it? |
| 11:17.46 | joltcan | agh_: read the log and see what breaks? Might be that there is a process running already but it's dead |
| 11:17.57 | Walex | indieross: not with USB3. |
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| 11:19.03 | agh_ | joltcat: could you please guide me through? I just don't know what to do, thanks |
| 11:20.52 | joltcan | agh_: service samba stop, then use "ps aux|grep mbd" and see if something is still running |
| 11:21.01 | Nurbs | Is it possible to create a minus sign (U+2212) using the english us international keyboard layout? |
| 11:22.11 | agh_ | root 4547 0.0 0.0 7836 876 pts/1 S+ 13:21 0:00 grep mdb |
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| 11:22.31 | indieross | and then for the raid im not sure what to go with... mdadm or btrfsraid for a raid5 |
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| 11:24.12 | agh_ | sorry, that was mdb |
| 11:24.13 | agh_ | root 4552 0.0 0.0 7836 876 pts/1 S+ 13:24 0:00 grep mbd |
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| 11:27.14 | aguitel | hopw remove whole gnome ? |
| 11:27.20 | frostschutz | indieross, for ssd, the access time is usually more important than throughput really. usb3 might work okay for that, never tested it myself. for the raid, I prefer mdadm |
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| 11:29.19 | indieross | frostschutz, mdadm with btrfs as the fs perhaps? |
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| 11:31.37 | tremon | that's silly. btrfs has its own multi-device layer, I wouldn't put mdadm underneath it |
| 11:31.38 | indieross | the drive will be mainly used for vm's and multimedia storage |
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| 11:32.27 | indieross | tremon https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices |
| 11:32.33 | indieross | that looks cool |
| 11:34.01 | tremon | be aware that debian's tools (most notably, initramfs-tools) have no support for btrfs yet, so if you have multiple btrfs devices on different controllers, only one of the required drivers might end up in the initramfs |
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| 11:34.53 | indieross | tremon, i'd be using fedora |
| 11:35.51 | frostschutz | I'm still not convinced that reinventing wheels (mdadm, lvm) in a filesystem is such a great idea. Good luck with it in any case |
| 11:36.01 | agh_ | Seems I can't start smbd, don't know why |
| 11:36.12 | indieross | frostschutz, how do you feel about zfs? |
| 11:36.56 | tremon | fyi, we have #debian-offtopic for non-debian support questions |
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| 11:41.41 | indieross | i'd be using the raid for vm's and multimedia hosting. would anybody recommend anything else besides btrfs |
| 11:41.46 | linux_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.37 | is3nov | Will nftables be the default firewall in Jessie? |
| 11:43.48 | tremon | nftables isn't a firewall, it's a low-level management tool |
| 11:44.26 | is3nov | Right, it replaces iptables/etc |
| 11:44.29 | tremon | has nftables seen a release yet? I thought it was still a concept only |
| 11:44.38 | is3nov | http://netfilter.org/projects/nftables/ |
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| 11:45.21 | tremon | well, "currently under development" doesn't sound like it's going to be in the next debian stable, let alone be the default |
| 11:45.55 | is3nov | Heh, still 7 months until freeze |
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| 11:48.30 | tremon | I wouldn't hold your breath. nftables has had 1 release, with a version number suggesting pre-0.1 |
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| 11:49.35 | tremon | but you can always step up as maintainer. libmnl has already been packaged, so you'd be maintaining only 3 packages |
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| 11:51.08 | ea | Hello, I have a "dual" boot system with windows 7 and Debian Jessie. Just now I have got a LSI Perc 4dc RAID card with one 140gb 10k hdd attached to it. How would you suggest for me to use this new resource? I was thinking of backup storage to keep all important data copies because I think U320 scsi hard disks are more reliable than anything else on the market. What do you think? |
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| 11:51.54 | is3nov | ea, Why jessie? |
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| 11:54.01 | ea | is3nov, I like testing stuff and do bug reports... :P |
| 11:54.09 | is3nov | Ah |
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| 11:57.06 | Twinkletoes | Does anyone here use ConfigServer Security and Firewall, and if so, which file do I change to alter the *default* OUTPUT policy... csf.pl? |
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| 11:59.04 | millz0r | hi |
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| 11:59.40 | millz0r | got a question about .deb packages - I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build a Django app, however alot of files get excluded from the .deb package, namely all my static html files |
| 11:59.47 | millz0r | is there a way to include them into the .deb? |
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| 12:03.39 | woshty | millz0r: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#install |
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| 12:04.34 | agh_ | ok, i repeat |
| 12:04.37 | agh_ | hello. I installed the package nautilus-share, the one that adds sharing options in nautilus, but when I share a folder it returns an error message: [13:09] <agh_> 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. The connection was refused. Maybe smbd is not running. |
| 12:04.55 | agh_ | I added myself to the group sambashare but it didn't change anything |
| 12:05.38 | agh_ | i tried with a root terminal service samba start |
| 12:05.56 | agh_ | [ ok ] Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd. |
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| 12:06.11 | agh_ | after which i typed service samba status |
| 12:06.15 | millz0r | woshty: many thanks, thats probably what I need |
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| 12:06.25 | agh_ | [ ok ] nmbd is running. [FAIL] smbd is not running ... failed! |
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| 12:06.49 | darklight_ | what's the current kernel revision for wheezy? |
| 12:06.49 | agh_ | thus, i apparently need to find a way to start smbd |
| 12:06.50 | movrax | agh_: check /var/log/samba/smbd.log |
| 12:07.59 | woshty | millz0r: I am at the trail and error level in package building, but I think I included a custom config this way once |
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| 12:08.28 | movrax | agh_: does is say something about guest account? |
| 12:08.29 | woshty | darklight_: 3.2.5x or 3.13 with bpo |
| 12:08.46 | darklight_ | woshty, could you tell me if it's >=3.2.55 ? |
| 12:09.11 | agh_ | movrax: I dont' have this file at all |
| 12:09.45 | woshty | darklight_: 54 it says here |
| 12:09.58 | woshty | 54-2 |
| 12:10.08 | petn-randall | agh_: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy samba'? → http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:10.51 | Deele | what does "ip r d <ip>" do? |
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| 12:11.25 | jpw | Deele: deletes the specified address/range from the routing table |
| 12:11.30 | agh_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/91639/ |
| 12:11.49 | Deele | jpw does it accept empty <ip>? |
| 12:12.39 | tremon | Deele: man ip-route |
| 12:12.52 | petn-randall | Deele: with 'ip' you can shorten every parameter as long as it's still unambiguous. It's 'ip route del <ip>'. And what jpw said. |
| 12:13.05 | jpw | Deele: if i did ` ip r d 10.10.10.0/24` it would delete the correspinding record from the routing table and instead the route would be sent to the default gateway |
| 12:13.07 | m0rd3cai | petn-randall: smb output ---> http://paste.debian.net/91641/ |
| 12:13.44 | Deele | I just did "ip r d" command, because "paste" function in ssh did not work correctly and it just sent three "enter" keystrokes, and now, I can't connect to server |
| 12:13.54 | linedash | :> |
| 12:14.20 | movrax | agh_: can you paste your /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 12:14.30 | petn-randall | m0rd3cai: I don't recall asking you for it. |
| 12:14.53 | linedash | Deele, you're screwed :) |
| 12:14.58 | jpw | Deele: then you've probably delted a necessary route. easiest fix would probably be to reboot the box. |
| 12:14.59 | linedash | you need physical access or a kvm to fix it |
| 12:15.15 | linedash | or a reboot if you have someone who can kick it, indeed |
| 12:15.21 | Deele | damn... |
| 12:15.25 | petn-randall | ouch D: |
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| 12:16.39 | jpw | Deele: pro-tip think twice about changing network configuration remotely. it's all too easy to lock yourself out of a box. |
| 12:16.52 | agh_ | movrax: that's it http://paste.debian.net/91642/ |
| 12:17.03 | tremon | also, don't paste into a root terminal |
| 12:17.13 | jpw | ^ |
| 12:17.19 | jpw | sound advice |
| 12:17.46 | Deele | yeah, will know in future... from experience |
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| 12:18.07 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, i need to rebuild package with certain ./configure params, i know i can get source using apt-get source "package" and then rebuild it with apt-get --build source "package", but what about build parameters? |
| 12:18.19 | Deele | by the way, if someone gets banned from server for wrong logins, is it possible to unban that ip through webmin? |
| 12:18.22 | themill | jpw: lies! none of us would ever have done that. not even last night... |
| 12:18.42 | Deele | themill lol |
| 12:18.46 | themill | dpkg: tell DarkKnightCZ about package recompile |
| 12:19.11 | tremon | DarkKnightCZ: most likely, you need to edit debian/rules (or debian/control, I forget which) |
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| 12:19.41 | DarkKnightCZ | themill, tremon: nice ,thanks |
| 12:19.56 | jpw | Deele: if you use fail2ban the ban should expire after a short amount of time. |
| 12:20.28 | Deele | jpw, another admin installed server, how do I "detect" what it is using to ban? |
| 12:21.19 | tremon | by reading the system documentation ;) |
| 12:21.49 | Deele | is there a ton ways to ip ban someone out there? |
| 12:22.12 | movrax | agh_: try to change "guest account = smbguest" to "guest account = nobody" |
| 12:22.18 | movrax | and try to restart the service to see if it works |
| 12:22.44 | movrax | it looks like your problem might be related to the guest account |
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| 12:23.20 | tremon | Deele: any admin could have written their own script, but fail2ban is the most likely if it's ip-level blocking |
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| 12:25.03 | agh_ | movrax: It worked like a charm! Thanks, by the way, do you know what was happening? |
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| 12:28.40 | movrax | agh_: you probably don't have a user account named "smbguest" so it failed to create a guest account linked to that user |
| 12:29.04 | agh_ | Got it, thanks again |
| 12:29.05 | movrax | and that's why smbd was failing to start with the error you've described above |
| 12:29.29 | movrax | if you want guest support you'll have to supply appropriate user account for that |
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| 12:35.46 | ea | Hi again. My scsi device attached to lsi perc 4/dc support hotplug. How do I properly stop the scsi hard disk and unplug it from the system? |
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| 12:38.17 | tremon | ea: just unmount all partitions |
| 12:38.47 | ea | tremon, what about spinning the disk down? it is a 10k scsi device... |
| 12:39.10 | ea | p.s. it does not have any partitions just yet |
| 12:40.36 | tremon | I'm not sure linux can power it down, if it does, I'd expect a node to show up in sysfs (/sys/block/sdN/) |
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| 12:41.33 | tremon | maybe hdparm can force a sleep mode |
| 12:42.21 | scriptiee | got a Intel i210 gigabit NIC and it's not recognised by debian 7.4 during the intallation, any once came accross that and managed to solve it? |
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| 12:44.17 | bezaban | tremon: I think unmount it and hdparm -Y |
| 12:44.33 | tremon | ea: ^^ |
| 12:45.01 | ea | hparm does not recognise it at all.. I think the LSI megaraid controller is the culprit :) |
| 12:45.26 | bezaban | oh. might be able to do it in /proc somehow |
| 12:45.28 | ea | the linux does not even see the hard disk itself behind the controller... :/ |
| 12:45.52 | bezaban | but you'd need to be able to reference it, which is a problem if linux can't see the drive |
| 12:46.15 | ea | yes. /dev/sda is megaraid, not the scsi disk behind the megaraid |
| 12:46.21 | bezaban | right |
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| 12:47.08 | rozie | ea: raid controllers have management software |
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| 12:49.20 | abrotman | ea: if it supports hotplug, you don't stop it.. that's the point of .. 'hot' ? |
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| 12:50.21 | abrotman | looks at bezaban and tremon quizzically .. |
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| 12:54.04 | ea | I see! :) |
| 12:54.05 | ea | thanks! |
| 12:54.19 | bezaban | well you'd want to make sure it is spun down |
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| 12:54.36 | abrotman | no, you don't |
| 12:54.41 | ea | it comes in a tray originally, but I see the tray is nothing special |
| 12:54.42 | abrotman | it doens't make a difference |
| 12:54.49 | abrotman | have any of you actually used a hwraid controller? |
| 12:54.52 | bezaban | ok, just me being overly careful then |
| 12:55.11 | ea | it is sca80 disk, so definitely a hotplug from dell poweredge 6850 |
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| 12:55.40 | saivert | whoaw these debian networking scripts are crap. |
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| 12:55.50 | abrotman | ea: the drive is marked dead, right? so the hwraid controller is compensating for hte dead drive already, right? You have a replacement drive, right? |
| 12:55.52 | saivert | shut off IPv6 on my interfaces for no good reason |
| 12:56.12 | saivert | also unable to grab DHCP lease for my bridge device. working fine on eth0 though |
| 12:56.32 | saivert | I looked through the bash scripts too and they still use the antiquated ifconfig and brctl commands too |
| 12:56.38 | bezaban | I always make sure drives are out and off, granted I don't replace them more than a few times a year |
| 12:56.48 | abrotman | ea: I used hwraid with SCSI for many years .. you pull the drive, put the replacement in. The hwraid controller will then begin rebuilding the new drive |
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| 12:56.54 | saivert | or does everyone use Network-Manager even on headless servers? |
| 12:56.56 | abrotman | bezaban: So you haven't used hwraid then? |
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| 12:57.03 | ea | abrotman, no. the drive is OK. no partitions nothing.. i am just thinking should I hotplug it or not :D |
| 12:57.07 | bezaban | abrotman: I have |
| 12:57.07 | ea | never done that :D |
| 12:57.19 | abrotman | ea: why are you trying to remove it if it's okay? |
| 12:57.36 | ea | curiosity is taking over :( |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | ea: just pull it out. You'll be fine |
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| 12:58.00 | ea | anyway... i need to play with couple of jumpers there so I think power off is necessary. |
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| 12:58.11 | abrotman | ea: side note, make sure your hwraid card firmware is up to date, etc |
| 12:58.19 | ea | thanks! |
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| 12:58.46 | abrotman | power it down .. wtf |
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| 13:12.00 | shibly | Hi, how can i remove icon of a program from Applications menu ? |
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| 13:12.56 | abrotman | besides uninstalling the app ? |
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| 13:14.41 | m0rd3cai | shibly - unders settings there's an option to edit entries in the menus |
| 13:16.09 | shibly | abrotman: It is netbeans.sh |
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| 13:47.20 | aiRness | Hello. What would be the best way to handle the same package for different environments? For example, having foo.production.deb, foo.staging.deb and foo.dev.deb on the same repo. Is that a good policy to have? |
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| 13:48.02 | godev | hi, i think i've a problem with initramfs at any time i am installing a package |
| 13:48.03 | godev | http://paste.debian.net/plain/91670 |
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| 13:53.46 | agh_ | hello. I followed the howto at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=60620 to create samba shares from within nautilus but I can't see the shares on the network |
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| 13:54.01 | aiRness | or should I use different componontes on the sources.list? |
| 13:55.38 | agh_ | Specifically, I installed nautilus-share, I addem myself to the sambashare group |
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| 13:56.03 | agh_ | I edited /etc/samba/smb.conf as suggested in the howto |
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| 13:56.25 | woshty | How much will I break if I repackage mesa-common from sid for stable? |
| 13:56.32 | abailarri | Hello. Anyone know where to change max execution time of mod_fcgid? |
| 13:56.38 | agh_ | and I changed the permissions for /var/lib/samba/usershares |
| 13:57.22 | agh_ | I rebooted and I now can make a share using nautilus/right click sharing options |
| 13:57.34 | agh_ | but these shares won't show up in the network |
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| 13:58.10 | justaguy | don't mind me just needing this line for another channel |
| 13:58.11 | justaguy | !sns |
| 13:58.11 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 13:58.54 | zykotick9 | justaguy: you can use "/msg dpkg sns" to get factoids privately |
| 13:59.01 | justaguy | zykotick9: thanks! |
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| 13:59.08 | tremon | aiRness: I would look to set up different suites, e.g. wheezy/prod, wheezy/test, wheezy/dev |
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| 14:00.59 | woshty | nvm mind .. |
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| 14:15.21 | aiRness | is FPM recommended for packaging? https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
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| 14:17.23 | helphelp | how can I install skype on debian? |
| 14:17.27 | helphelp | there is no x64 arhitecture |
| 14:17.59 | centrx | helphelp, Install the i386 libraries? |
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| 14:19.01 | helphelp | ok |
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| 14:21.17 | micw | hi |
| 14:21.27 | theBat | Hello |
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| 14:21.37 | Jagst3r21 | does debian have a software center? |
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| 14:21.45 | micw | i try to automount a disk image that is located on another auto-mounted directory which fails |
| 14:21.53 | theBat | Jagst3r21: Software center? |
| 14:21.58 | micw | this should already be fixed (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626473) |
| 14:22.04 | helphelp | Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20140208-13:47]/dists |
| 14:22.08 | Jagst3r21 | theBat yes... |
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| 14:22.14 | helphelp | centrx: ? |
| 14:22.16 | micw | but it does not seem to work on wheezy (autofs 5.0.7-3) |
| 14:22.26 | theBat | Jagst3r21: What do you mean by that? |
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| 14:22.34 | helphelp | i cant use apt-get from network or what? |
| 14:22.43 | Jagst3r21 | like you know how Ubuntu has a software center |
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| 14:22.55 | Jagst3r21 | maybe that is just for user friendliness though |
| 14:23.11 | theBat | Jagst3r21: Oh... Like a library of available software? |
| 14:23.19 | Jagst3r21 | theBat yes :) |
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| 14:23.41 | micw | should i simply report a bug (as regression to 626473)? |
| 14:23.45 | centrx | helphelp, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 14:23.52 | theBat | Jagst3r21: Hmm... Try the synaptic package manager. That should be what you're looking for. |
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| 14:24.09 | Jagst3r21 | theBat thank you, i am new to debian so forgive me |
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| 14:24.27 | helphelp | I run sudo apt-get update and I got that... |
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| 14:24.39 | theBat | Jagst3r21: That's quite alright. Glad to see more people using Debian instead of Ubuntu :) |
| 14:25.09 | Jagst3r21 | theBat ubuntu is nice but has too much input from Canonical |
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| 14:26.04 | micw | is there a (safe) way to install exactly one package from unstable on stable? |
| 14:26.04 | theBat | Jagst3r21: and other commercial actors, like the Amazon search thing. |
| 14:26.10 | Jagst3r21 | yep |
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| 14:27.30 | jelly | micw: in general, no. read about backporting the package from its sources: /msg dpkg backport, there's a recipe at /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:28.27 | micw | jelly, thank you. backporting is a good idea. can i install it somehow (to check if my bug is fixed) and then switch back to stable? |
| 14:28.40 | micw | the package is "autofs" - should not have too much dependencies |
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| 14:29.54 | jelly | micw: not in a safe way |
| 14:30.34 | petern_ | 15:25 < Jagst3r21> theBat ubuntu is nice but has too much input from Canonical |
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| 14:30.45 | petern_ | Jagst3r21, that's a bit like saying Windows has too much input from Microsoft. |
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| 14:31.34 | Jagst3r21 | theBat now I got it working fine with a live cd on my old windows machine, but to get a live version on my retina macbook, is that impossible? |
| 14:31.44 | micw | i see, thank you |
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| 14:32.03 | theBat | Jagst3r21: Can be a hassle, but not impossible. |
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| 14:32.17 | Jagst3r21 | is there such a thing as a live USB? |
| 14:33.30 | SynrG | Jagst3r21: yes |
| 14:33.43 | SynrG | Jagst3r21: by default, the ISOs work on USB because they're hybrid. |
| 14:33.52 | Jagst3r21 | ohh |
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| 14:33.59 | SynrG | just "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" |
| 14:34.11 | SynrG | (e.g. /dev/sdc but check this carefully!) |
| 14:34.12 | theBat | No, use the dd command |
| 14:34.17 | SynrG | no, use cp |
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| 14:34.22 | doiwhf | need some help please. after a dist-upgrade last night i get a blck screen after grub. if I go into ttyl1 and do startx i get the 'oh no something went wrong' screen. I'm using Deian Jessie |
| 14:34.26 | SynrG | there's no benefit whatsoever to using dd |
| 14:34.40 | SynrG | it has more complex syntax and if you don't choose blocksize properly, inefficient |
| 14:35.05 | SynrG | i know you've seen "use dd" everywhere, but it's just plain stupid |
| 14:35.34 | Juzzy | if you use copy make sure you run 'sync' |
| 14:35.37 | Juzzy | cp* |
| 14:35.43 | Juzzy | dd does not require it |
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| 14:36.21 | Jeroi | hello |
| 14:36.34 | Jeroi | I need to communicate with php to debian |
| 14:36.37 | Jeroi | from apache |
| 14:36.51 | Juzzy | ok |
| 14:36.56 | Jeroi | how ever dmesg seemst to tell my arduino to be ttyACM0 |
| 14:37.21 | SynrG | Juzzy: citation |
| 14:37.23 | Jeroi | and I spesify /dev/ttyACM0 for the port and php says not valid |
| 14:37.49 | Jeroi | what to do? |
| 14:38.00 | Juzzy | /dev/ is a device and ports are a network protocol |
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| 14:38.21 | Jeroi | how to find correct port? |
| 14:39.16 | Jagst3r21 | and is using Jessie safe for work or is is really unstable |
| 14:39.26 | jhutchins | SynrG: cp will not create a bootable device, it will store the iso file on the drive. |
| 14:39.53 | jhutchins | Jagst3r21: cat or dd are what you need, not cp. |
| 14:39.56 | Juzzy | SynrG: sunce your google is broken: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 14:40.01 | SynrG | jhutchins: again wrong |
| 14:40.02 | Juzzy | since |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | jhutchins: he's copying to the device, not hte filesystem. You're wrong |
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| 14:40.35 | SynrG | Juzzy: my google isn't broken. the citation i need is for "dd doesn't need it" |
| 14:40.35 | jhutchins | SynrG: No, cp will not create a bootable device, it will copy the iso file to the filesystem, rather than create a bootable filesystem. |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | jhutchins: read what he wrote again. You're still wrong. |
| 14:40.52 | SynrG | Juzzy: and thanks for reminding us to sync. |
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| 14:40.58 | SynrG | that part, at least is true |
| 14:41.01 | jhutchins | !usb |
| 14:41.01 | dpkg | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 14:41.12 | SynrG | sooo much misinformation :( |
| 14:41.20 | jhutchins | SynrG: If you read the Install Guide, you will see that it recommends cat or dd. |
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| 14:41.23 | abrotman | SynrG: you missed the guys earlier that said you had to power down a drive to hotswap |
| 14:41.24 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 14:41.25 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
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| 14:41.33 | abrotman | jhutchins: you're still wrong .. |
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| 14:41.55 | jhutchins | SynrG: cp is a file-level utility, while dd is block-level and writes directly to the device, not to the filesystem. |
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| 14:42.08 | babilen | everything is a file |
| 14:42.09 | SynrG | jhutchins: in unix "everything is a file" |
| 14:42.16 | SynrG | jinx! |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | jhutchins: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en Read this .. You're still wrong. You were told multiple times. |
| 14:43.11 | ctmjr | doiwhf: bacause your using jessie you can get support in #debian-next on the oftc network |
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| 14:43.33 | SynrG | Juzzy: and sorry for not being more specific about the part i wanted a citation for, but i googled for about 2m before asking for a citation ... |
| 14:44.24 | doiwhf | ctmjr: ok thanks |
| 14:44.41 | Juzzy | SynrG: you're right: dd bs=1M count=256 if=/dev/zero of=test |
| 14:44.42 | Juzzy | The default behaviour of dd is to not “sync” (i.e. not ask the OS to completely write the data to disk before dd exiting). The above command will just commit your 128 MB of data into a RAM buffer (write cache) – this will be really fast and it will show you the hugely inflated benchmark result right away. However, the server in the background is still busy, continuing to write out data |
| 14:44.42 | Juzzy | from the RAM cache to disk. |
| 14:44.57 | Juzzy | https://romanrm.net/dd-benchmark |
| 14:45.15 | Juzzy | do use oflag=<some version of sync> to do it automatically |
| 14:45.21 | SynrG | yeah |
| 14:45.29 | SynrG | but nobody gets all the dd options right ... |
| 14:45.32 | Juzzy | I thought if block device was the output it would sync |
| 14:45.35 | SynrG | cp is so much simpler :) |
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| 14:46.03 | Juzzy | dd_rescue is nice though :p |
| 14:46.07 | SynrG | oh, and pro tip: for modern desktops typically you are granted access to write to removable devices *as user* |
| 14:46.12 | SynrG | so don't use root for this! |
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| 14:46.21 | SynrG | decreases the chance of you hosing the wrong device |
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| 15:05.39 | Walex | usually use 'dd conv=fsync' or 'dd oflag=direct', they have very different effects, but both measure the time to write to the storage device. |
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| 15:10.01 | helphelp | I have a serious question |
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| 15:10.20 | SynrG | !ask |
| 15:10.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:10.30 | helphelp | I bought a brand new PC with i7-4770K and 2x4 DDR on 2440MHZ and it works SLOW on debian x64 |
| 15:10.57 | helphelp | How come and is my GPU set on debian by default? I can't believe my i7 goes this slow, its slower than a dual core on 2.7GHz I had on my old PC |
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| 15:12.28 | helphelp | help? |
| 15:12.40 | mtn | is that triple help? |
| 15:12.41 | jpw | helphelp: what's running slow? disk access, 3d rendering, what exactly? |
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| 15:13.10 | helphelp | jpw: web browsing |
| 15:13.13 | helphelp | opening new tabs |
| 15:13.24 | andry | thats all the information we need. :D |
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| 15:13.53 | ChrisH | helphelp: atop installed? |
| 15:13.59 | helphelp | no |
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| 15:14.03 | SynrG | free -m |
| 15:14.08 | helphelp | I paid a lot of money for this configuration |
| 15:14.19 | str3 | started getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" today |
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| 15:14.25 | str3 | on everything |
| 15:14.28 | str3 | just me? |
| 15:14.29 | SynrG | helphelp: debian wheezy? |
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| 15:14.34 | helphelp | free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 7890 1275 6615 0 41 663 -/+ buffers/cache: 570 7320 |
| 15:14.36 | jpw | str3: apt-get install debian-keyring |
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| 15:14.42 | str3 | has there been a change? |
| 15:14.43 | helphelp | SynrG: yes |
| 15:14.52 | helphelp | even this chat lags a bit wtf |
| 15:14.57 | jpw | and let us know if you still get the error |
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| 15:14.58 | helphelp | is my GPU on? |
| 15:15.12 | str3 | jpw: did the signatures get changed on jessie? |
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| 15:15.20 | str3 | id like to rule out dns poisoning first |
| 15:15.23 | SynrG | the buffers / cached is super low |
| 15:15.37 | helphelp | why is that? |
| 15:15.42 | helphelp | do I need to lower clock on my ram? |
| 15:15.46 | andry | helphelp, run this please: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' |
| 15:15.48 | helphelp | its 2440MHz |
| 15:15.57 | jpw | str3: sorry that was an off the cuff response. I assumed you were an amatuer. lets have a look. |
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| 15:16.12 | str3 | jpw: rofl |
| 15:16.12 | SynrG | i mean, the use minus buffers/cache is low. so not running out of ram |
| 15:16.21 | helphelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.52 | andry | empty output? |
| 15:17.00 | helphelp | yes |
| 15:17.02 | helphelp | lol |
| 15:17.04 | jpw | str3: last updated 3/3/14 |
| 15:17.06 | SynrG | you could just say that rather than giving us badly wrapped output |
| 15:17.16 | SynrG | please use paste.debian.net instead of dodging line restrictions by mangling it |
| 15:17.18 | andry | maybe he is running vesa fallback |
| 15:17.24 | str3 | jpw: hmm |
| 15:17.32 | str3 | i guess so, then |
| 15:17.37 | tremon | helphelp: you may need to install both X and the kernel from backports, not sure how much Intel gfx support you get from a 2+ year old kernel |
| 15:17.38 | str3 | i might have been |
| 15:17.48 | SynrG | helphelp: andry's guess of VESA is reasonable. at paste.debian.net let's see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:17.52 | str3 | overriding this warning before... give me a minute |
| 15:17.58 | Jeroi | does ttyACM0 acces to serial? |
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| 15:18.04 | helphelp | tremon: http://pastebin.com/rRScDHms |
| 15:18.06 | Jeroi | I mean www-data |
| 15:18.10 | helphelp | is my GPU amd radeon good? |
| 15:18.17 | helphelp | I buy all the best and I get a slow pc |
| 15:18.21 | helphelp | bought* |
| 15:18.22 | andry | i have the same cpu running via i915 on kernel 3.13 .. but i run into problems with the old 3.2.x kernel, too |
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| 15:18.42 | helphelp | is my motherboard a problem? |
| 15:18.59 | tremon | ah, HD8000 series. Yes that definitely requires newer X. and firmware-linux-nonfree, but I'm assuming that's already there |
| 15:19.05 | helphelp | even on grub loader it gets little slow |
| 15:19.16 | helphelp | ah upon installation I had a missing firmware |
| 15:19.17 | helphelp | for something |
| 15:19.23 | andry | yes, the atheros lan |
| 15:19.27 | andry | i guess |
| 15:19.38 | jpw | str3: these are what ftp.uk.debian.org and security.debian.org resolve to for me https://paste.debian.net/91702/ |
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| 15:19.46 | cumerc | hi guys |
| 15:19.48 | ChrisH | helphelp: you are running pretty new HW with stable, thats the problem. Solution: get a kernel from backports and it should be solved. |
| 15:19.56 | cumerc | does any of you use qgis? |
| 15:19.57 | cumerc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.58 | helphelp | ChrisH: how? |
| 15:20.02 | andry | ,somemagicword kernel-backport :P |
| 15:20.06 | tremon | !tell helphelp -about backports |
| 15:20.09 | andry | :) |
| 15:20.15 | str3 | jpw: debian.net is giving me an invalid ssl cert |
| 15:20.19 | str3 | this looks bad |
| 15:20.56 | helphelp | apt-get install kernel-backport ? |
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| 15:21.27 | tremon | helphelp: check the message you got from dpkg, or read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:21.30 | centrx | dpkg: tell helphelp about wheezy-backports |
| 15:21.37 | str3 | let me check the ips |
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| 15:21.38 | zykotick9 | str3: is it really debian.NET you want? vs. debian.ORG. or do you mean http.debian.net? |
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| 15:22.06 | ChrisH | str3: the cert is for debian.org and not debian.net |
| 15:22.29 | str3 | ChrisH: it's complaining about the issuer though |
| 15:22.34 | helphelp | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org |
| 15:22.40 | str3 | jpw: resolves to the same as yours |
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| 15:22.43 | helphelp | ftp.us.debian? |
| 15:22.45 | str3 | can you do .de? |
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| 15:23.08 | tremon | helphelp: I'd just use http.debian.net, but yes, ftp.us.debian.org works fine |
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| 15:23.31 | jpw | str3: 141.76.2.4 |
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| 15:23.51 | helphelp | where to check is it wheezy or |
| 15:23.52 | helphelp | not |
| 15:23.52 | str3 | same |
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| 15:24.07 | andry | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 15:24.20 | andry | i am on trusty tahr for testing, but thats right, isnt it? |
| 15:24.24 | tremon | helphelp: note that the instructions mention squeeze-backports. Obviously you want apt-get -t wheezy-backports.... -- not squeeze |
| 15:24.26 | ChrisH | str3: https://www.debian.net offers a cert with CN: debian.org https://www.denian.org offers the same one |
| 15:24.37 | helphelp | cat /etc/debian_version 7.4 |
| 15:24.44 | andry | wheezy |
| 15:24.47 | str3 | ChrisH: *now* i'm getting invalid domain |
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| 15:24.52 | str3 | before i was seeing untrusted issuer |
| 15:25.22 | ChrisH | str3: maybe someone is working on the server |
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| 15:26.16 | helphelp | ok now apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 15:26.18 | helphelp | what package? |
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| 15:26.22 | str3 | jpw: apt-get update seems to have resolved it |
| 15:26.30 | helphelp | sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports |
| 15:26.33 | helphelp | is that all? |
| 15:26.43 | helphelp | I run apt-get update yes |
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| 15:26.44 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 15:26.44 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 15:26.53 | SynrG | helphelp: ^^ |
| 15:27.07 | andry | "-t" defines that you want to download a package from a different branch |
| 15:27.17 | andry | so you need an "install" parameter |
| 15:27.27 | andry | apt-get -t some-branch install apackage |
| 15:27.32 | helphelp | I dont have linux image |
| 15:27.35 | tremon | helphelp: read the section "Install a package from backports" from the link I gave you |
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| 15:30.11 | tremon | you want to at least install both xorg-server and linux-image-amd64 from backports, and probably also firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:30.34 | helphelp | can you give me commands please? |
| 15:30.41 | petern_ | Is it possible to switch to nouveau with nvidia's drivers still installed? |
| 15:30.42 | helphelp | I am afraid I got screwed and my PC not works |
| 15:30.53 | petern_ | Just want to test things. |
| 15:31.03 | SynrG | tremon: xorg-server is in backports? |
| 15:31.26 | tremon | hmm, I had assumed it was. Let's check |
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| 15:32.02 | tremon | it's xserver-xorg and it isn't :( |
| 15:32.03 | SynrG | helphelp: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:32.18 | zykotick9 | petern_: something to keep in mind / remember, proprietary nvidia blacklists the nouveau kernel module... best of luck. |
| 15:32.24 | sandman13 | i want updates for the desktop environment(KDE) and browser(Iceweasel) on Debian 7 stable? is there a way to do that w/o switching to testing? |
| 15:32.42 | helphelp | E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:32.42 | tremon | SynrG: thx |
| 15:32.47 | petern_ | zykotick9, yes, I know, hence wondering if there's a "debian" way to undo that without uninstalling. |
| 15:32.52 | andry | at least for iceweasel there is a mozilla repository |
| 15:32.54 | SynrG | helphelp: you need to enable non-free in your sources.list then. |
| 15:32.54 | andry | @ sandman13 |
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| 15:33.05 | centrx | sandman13, iceweasel is already updated |
| 15:33.11 | andry | http://mozilla.debian.net/ sandman13 |
| 15:33.15 | petern_ | zykotick9, the blacklist is in an alternatives, so... |
| 15:33.19 | zykotick9 | petern_: sure, just edit the file (sorry i forget which one...) |
| 15:33.19 | SynrG | helphelp: find where it has "main" and change to "main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:33.21 | helphelp | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 15:33.27 | helphelp | ah k |
| 15:33.34 | SynrG | then apt-get update |
| 15:33.38 | SynrG | then redo the install |
| 15:34.21 | zykotick9 | helphelp: say goodbye to freedom :( but with ATI, i think it's pretty much _required_ :( |
| 15:34.21 | SynrG | helphelp: you likely want "main contrib non-free" for the other deb lines too |
| 15:34.24 | helphelp | yes installing |
| 15:34.27 | SynrG | yes |
| 15:34.27 | sandman13 | andry, centrx: what about desktop environment |
| 15:34.38 | helphelp | ok |
| 15:35.02 | helphelp | will this solve my slowness? |
| 15:35.08 | SynrG | maybe? |
| 15:35.10 | helphelp | I never thought I would say i7 is slow on 3.9GHz |
| 15:35.11 | petern_ | Meh, I'll purge it all. |
| 15:35.24 | SynrG | helphelp: problem: *new* hardware, *old* release |
| 15:35.26 | helphelp | SynrG: what if not, what if my mb is bad |
| 15:35.47 | SynrG | helphelp: it's likely not that |
| 15:35.56 | helphelp | whats the tool in linux to list my configuration |
| 15:35.56 | andry | sandman13, im not sure. i wouldnt install a whole DE via backports :/ if you want new packages and not stable, you may want to use jessie |
| 15:35.58 | SynrG | helphelp: but if it is, that's what warranties are for |
| 15:36.00 | helphelp | so I can show you what I run on |
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| 15:36.15 | zykotick9 | helphelp: i'm guessing the ATI graphics where your issue... which should soon be corrected. |
| 15:36.22 | sandman13 | andry: i suck at bug tracking and fixing |
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| 15:36.51 | helphelp | ok installling apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:36.59 | helphelp | hope so it will fix it |
| 15:37.03 | helphelp | if not I am calling pc center |
| 15:37.26 | SynrG | if it doesn't fix it, you should bring us the details and we can help *before* calling pc center |
| 15:37.30 | helphelp | over $1000 for a PC slower than a PC from 10 years old |
| 15:37.51 | helphelp | what kind of details? |
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| 15:38.20 | SynrG | /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be a logical place to start. |
| 15:38.30 | SynrG | let's cross that bridge when we get to it ok? |
| 15:38.33 | andry | im not sure, but the amd drivers need a rather new X, dont they? |
| 15:38.43 | tremon | include dmesg output |
| 15:39.03 | SynrG | helphelp: if the kernel upgrade alone doesn't fix it, it may not be possible to support your hardware on wheezy. |
| 15:39.17 | SynrG | helphelp: might have to go to jessie, and that brings with it a whole host of different concerns. |
| 15:39.44 | SynrG | helphelp: but ... no point in contemplating that until *after* we see what the kernel upgrade did |
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| 15:40.03 | helphelp | SynrG: http://pastebin.com/vu6phCrd |
| 15:40.05 | tremon | I'd recommend the catalyst drivers before upgrading to jessie in this case |
| 15:40.05 | andry | i think the kernel upgrade uses at least the open source amd driver, and not vesa :) |
| 15:40.09 | helphelp | my cpu have haswell bridge |
| 15:40.41 | helphelp | is that firmware missing normal? |
| 15:40.41 | tremon | helphelp: is your monitor connected to the amd graphics card or intel onboard video? |
| 15:40.44 | SynrG | helphelp: don't worry about those warnings for now |
| 15:40.59 | helphelp | tremon: gpu |
| 15:41.02 | helphelp | not intels one |
| 15:41.22 | Artemis3 | helphelp, is it really slower than a p4? i could trade it with you :) |
| 15:41.29 | tremon | good |
| 15:41.39 | helphelp | do i need to reboot now? |
| 15:41.54 | SynrG | if the kernel install is finished. yes |
| 15:42.00 | helphelp | kernel? |
| 15:42.05 | helphelp | I just run one command u gave me |
| 15:42.06 | SynrG | linux-image is the kernel |
| 15:42.26 | SynrG | yes. you installed it. and the firmware. if that's finished, you should reboot next. |
| 15:42.56 | str3 | jpw: i've traced my apt logs, nothing suspiscious, rkhunter reports no changes other than ifupdown which got migrated down to testing yesterday |
| 15:42.57 | str3 | should be ok |
| 15:43.07 | SynrG | not looking good for potential jessie user. hoping this fixes it ... or fglrx ... |
| 15:43.10 | str3 | i just needed an update i guess ;) |
| 15:43.24 | andry | :) |
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| 15:44.15 | str3 | thanks :-) |
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| 15:45.01 | petern_ | Hmm, nouveau working but no glx :S |
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| 15:45.24 | petern_ | or dri or whatever it is. |
| 15:45.25 | jpw | str3: that's good perhaps you last updated during a key transition. |
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| 15:46.31 | helphelp | ok |
| 15:46.35 | helphelp | now I feel the full power of i7 |
| 15:46.39 | helphelp | works mega giga fast |
| 15:46.51 | helphelp | however I had to switch my dvi from AMD radeon to intel's GPU |
| 15:46.54 | wols | helphelp: please don#t write such nonsense |
| 15:46.57 | helphelp | after I installed those driver |
| 15:47.11 | helphelp | how can I check which GPU Im currently using? |
| 15:47.34 | wols | glxinfo |
| 15:47.50 | helphelp | Kernel driver in use: i915 Kernel driver in use: radeon |
| 15:48.24 | petern_ | Oh... 3d is working, but gnome is in fallback mode. |
| 15:48.41 | andry | vesa is fallback, i915 is the hd4600 chip of the 4770 |
| 15:48.42 | petern_ | Hmm, maybe it's software 3D :S |
| 15:49.04 | helphelp | I dont get it, what was wrong with my amd radeon r7? |
| 15:49.05 | helphelp | I am now on integrated intels gpu |
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| 15:50.14 | wols | helphelp: where is your monitor connected to? |
| 15:50.24 | helphelp | to intels gpu |
| 15:50.31 | wols | then this is what you use |
| 15:50.42 | wols | use your r7's output instead |
| 15:50.42 | helphelp | yes when I switch to amd radeon r7 |
| 15:50.45 | helphelp | I get very slow linx. |
| 15:51.01 | helphelp | when I was here without driver, it was very slow. |
| 15:51.20 | wols | then get the firmware for it. or install fglrx |
| 15:51.24 | helphelp | ? |
| 15:52.27 | helphelp | I cant change resolution |
| 15:52.38 | helphelp | when I put it in r7 it wont show picture. |
| 15:52.59 | andry | guys, i think i will go buy a graphics card :P i used intel graphics for the past years, which should i prefer, nvidia or amd? .. taking about nonfree drivers |
| 15:53.02 | andry | +l |
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| 15:54.35 | tremon | you're asking this on a channel that supports none of the proprietary drivers, what answer are you expecting to get? |
| 15:55.03 | andry | "nvidia delivers the more stable drivers on linux at this moment" |
| 15:55.14 | tremon | well no need to ask then |
| 15:55.16 | helphelp | what are you telling me? |
| 15:55.25 | helphelp | There is no option to use my new pc on linux, but to switch on windows or mac? |
| 15:55.33 | helphelp | I cant use slow PC |
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| 15:56.20 | andry | rolls his eyes |
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| 15:57.05 | petern_ | Hmm, should full GNome 3 work with Nouveau? |
| 15:57.12 | petern_ | Fallback mode is ... not nice :( |
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| 15:59.22 | tremon | andry: not trying to be glib (it comes natural to me), but the open radeon driver is more mature than nouveau mainly to amd being the better citizen. For opinions on the proprietary drivers, ##linux would be a better venue |
| 15:59.46 | andry | thanks ;) |
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| 16:00.14 | tremon | actually, any distro channel other than #debian would be better for that ;) |
| 16:00.22 | ToTheInternet | df -h tells me, that the space used on /home is 100%. the size of /home is 51G, of which 48G are used. where did the missing 3G go? |
| 16:00.35 | andry | yes, thats true |
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| 16:01.01 | tremon | ToTheInternet: filesystem overhead probably. Also, df never was very good at maths |
| 16:01.28 | gjvc | ToTheInternet: do you have lots of small files? |
| 16:01.34 | ToTheInternet | tremon: 3G filesystem overhead? i have been using linux for a long time and this is the first time this has happened. |
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| 16:01.54 | ToTheInternet | gjvc: not really. the usual stuff you would put into your /home dir. some small files, some big files |
| 16:02.04 | andry | tremon, you say/think the open radeon driver is the better of both? :O |
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| 16:02.27 | abrotman | petern_: I think it depends which version of gnome3 you have |
| 16:03.15 | petern_ | Err... Wheezy's. |
| 16:03.20 | ToTheInternet | gjvc: the filesystem is ext4 over lvm2 over dm-crypt on a SSD, if that matters |
| 16:03.23 | petern_ | Although I'm using a backport kernel. |
| 16:03.42 | petern_ | glxinfo claims direct rendering. |
| 16:03.56 | tremon | andry: I'm saying that I prefer amd's PR strategy over nvidia's or intel's. I don't use any high-end cards so I am fine with the open drivers |
| 16:05.00 | andry | well, im not going to play games or something .. i just want my cpu to relax :) (+ a little more ram), i could go for the open drivers, too |
| 16:05.10 | andry | i think |
| 16:05.43 | tremon | ToTheInternet: to check overhead, do tune2fs -l /dev/mapper/your_home_lv | grep ^Inode. Inode count * Inode size gives you a rough fs overhead estimate |
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| 16:07.29 | ToTheInternet | tremon: 855 million |
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| 16:08.07 | tremon | that's the result of the multiplication, or that's the inode count? |
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| 16:08.18 | ToTheInternet | tremon: result of the multiplication |
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| 16:09.56 | tremon | ok, that's roughly 850MB overhead. Not 3G, but it's still quite large. Note that tune2fs can also show both total block count and free block count, if you want to verify those results with df |
| 16:10.10 | tremon | one block is usually 4kB |
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| 16:14.16 | ToTheInternet | tremon: says 3,991,869 free blocks.. times 4 kB I get 15,9G... that can't be right |
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| 16:15.16 | tremon | that doesn't sound right, no. What's the free inode count? |
| 16:15.50 | ToTheInternet | tremon: 3,278,335 free inodes |
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| 16:16.15 | tremon | what's the reserved block count? |
| 16:16.22 | zykotick9 | tremon: just want to make 1 comment re ati/nvidia. thanks to nouveau, nvidia can be used without non-free firmware, ati cannot :( personally i think that's a compelling reason to chose nvidia. |
| 16:16.28 | helphelp | is my mb killing performance http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4515#ov ? |
| 16:16.43 | petern_ | gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
| 16:16.44 | petern_ | :S |
| 16:16.46 | ToTheInternet | tremon: 668466 |
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| 16:17.49 | ToTheInternet | tremon: this is the output of the command http://paste2.org/aDzmV3LV |
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| 16:18.17 | tremon | zykotick9: true, but it's thanks to nouveau, not thanks to nvidia. You could of course argue that nvidia's stance fostered a healthier reverse engineering climate. It might be reason to use nvidia cards, but not a reason to give them my money |
| 16:18.43 | tremon | ToTheInternet: yeah, giving all the output would be easier ;) |
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| 16:19.58 | helphelp | can someone help me how to switch to the driver and my GPU amd radeon r7? |
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| 16:20.29 | tremon | helphelp: install the fglrx-driver package |
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| 16:20.35 | helphelp | I have this GPU http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/graphics-cards/1305007/amd-radeon-r7-250 which I want to work with my i7 cpu...? |
| 16:20.39 | helphelp | ok thanks |
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| 16:21.01 | helphelp | 360MB ugh |
| 16:21.30 | ToTheInternet | tremon: i was thinking maybe it has to do with TRIM not working, since it is a SSD.. i followed this http://blog.neutrino.es/2013/howto-properly-activate-trim-for-your-ssd-on-linux-fstrim-lvm-and-dmcrypt/ |
| 16:21.56 | tremon | ToTheInternet: none of that would suggest "disk full" to me. In fact, going by "free blocks / block count" you would have 30% free space |
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| 16:22.25 | tremon | ToTheInternet: dm-crypt does not pass through trim commands |
| 16:22.47 | tremon | it's because marking sectors as unused leaks information about the disk data structures |
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| 16:23.07 | helphelp | tremon: when I install it, how to switch from integrated to the r7 gpu? |
| 16:23.13 | ToTheInternet | tremon: i think it is possible to tell it to. there are several tutorials, and yes, it does leak information, but this is a calculated security risk i want to take |
| 16:23.21 | helphelp | there is process, or I just simply move cable to the gpu? |
| 16:23.36 | tremon | helphelp: simply move the cable (and reboot, for good measure) |
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| 16:24.39 | tremon | ToTheInternet: ah, luks option. thx, didn't know that |
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| 16:25.58 | ToTheInternet | tremon: there is a stack overflow thread regarding the tutorial above. people there suggest different methods to test whether TRIM actually works. I tried it back when I installed the filesystem and it seemed like it didn't work.. i just remember this now |
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| 16:26.04 | ToTheInternet | tremon: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85865/trim-with-lvm-and-dm-crypt |
| 16:26.30 | starbuck | hi, could someone tell me what is the standard SQL database that gets installed when you choose SQL SERVER at a fresh installation? |
| 16:26.37 | tremon | theoretically though, trim has nothing to do with free space handling at the OS level. It's mainly for wear-leveling inside the ssd |
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| 16:27.36 | tremon | starbuck: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/task-database-server -- it's postgres |
| 16:28.25 | starbuck | thx tremon |
| 16:28.30 | helphelp | tremon: I have issue with my sound driver on mb, its a little bt distorted when Im on max volume |
| 16:28.38 | helphelp | on my old asus all was fine |
| 16:28.43 | helphelp | is there any tweaking for that? |
| 16:28.54 | tremon | helphelp: don't put it on max volume? |
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| 16:29.14 | helphelp | I put it on max volume on asus mb |
| 16:29.15 | helphelp | all was fine |
| 16:29.18 | helphelp | no distortion |
| 16:29.47 | petern_ | pulseaudio lets you overdrive outputs in some cases. |
| 16:29.58 | tremon | maybe you can use a soldering iron to put your old mobo's sound chip on the new mb |
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| 16:30.13 | helphelp | ? |
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| 16:30.35 | starbuck | lol |
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| 16:31.24 | tremon | helphelp: really, there's nothing we can do about your mb distorting sound at max volume. It's unlikely to be a software issue |
| 16:31.42 | helphelp | :( |
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| 16:35.23 | petern_ | abrotman, woe is me, I think my GPU is too new :( |
| 16:35.58 | abrotman | petern_: for nouveau? |
| 16:36.02 | petern_ | Yeah :( |
| 16:36.11 | abrotman | quite likely |
| 16:36.23 | petern_ | This is an NVE0, Xorg.0.log only mentions up to NVC0. |
| 16:36.38 | abrotman | petern_: wheezy? |
| 16:36.41 | petern_ | Yes. |
| 16:36.51 | abrotman | look for a backport, or use hte nvidia binary stuff |
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| 16:37.16 | petern_ | Yeah, the binary driver is a fail with an RT kernel. |
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| 16:37.37 | abrotman | oh, yay binary crap ;) |
| 16:37.51 | abrotman | petern_: is this for a server or workstation? Is jessie an option ? |
| 16:38.05 | petern_ | 3.2-rt is not so bad, 3.12-rt + binary driver == cpu core hard lockup! |
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| 16:38.58 | petern_ | Desktop but I do some thing that needs to target Wheezy on it. |
| 16:39.08 | petern_ | s/thing/programming stuff/ |
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| 16:39.26 | abrotman | can you use a chroot for that ? |
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| 16:39.34 | petern_ | Possibly. |
| 16:39.35 | petern_ | Hmm. |
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| 16:40.02 | abrotman | your decision, just offering an alternative |
| 16:40.43 | helphelp | so to install pulseaudio? |
| 16:40.52 | helphelp | status info etc |
| 16:40.53 | helphelp | also how can I check xorg |
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| 16:41.44 | micw | i try to fix a bug in apackage (it's simply a wrong configure option). where can i see/change the options of a package that are passed to configure? |
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| 16:42.50 | petn-randall | micw: Assuming you have the source package from Debian, check out debian/rules. |
| 16:43.09 | micw | petn-randall, thank you! |
| 16:43.25 | petn-randall | micw: You're welcome! |
| 16:43.41 | micw | what is the best way to bug-report such? |
| 16:43.45 | micw | a diff? |
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| 16:44.06 | centrx | micw, Submitting patches is good |
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| 16:50.58 | helphelp | tremon: sudo aticonfig --initial |
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| 16:51.06 | helphelp | I need to run that or just to reboot? |
| 16:51.37 | tremon | I don't know. I think you should run it before reboot |
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| 16:52.26 | helphelp | ok done |
| 16:52.31 | helphelp | Uninitialised file found, configuring. Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saving back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0 |
| 16:52.37 | helphelp | do I need to conf xorg.conf now or is it good by default? |
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| 16:53.15 | tremon | I don't know. Read it and see if you want to add stuff |
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| 17:02.56 | qu | KDE takes forever on the K after I log in. |
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| 17:06.44 | helphelp | tremon: its still slow when Im on my gpu |
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| 17:06.53 | helphelp | integrated gpu works fine and fast but r7 not. |
| 17:07.22 | helphelp | lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' Kernel driver in use: i915 |
| 17:07.35 | helphelp | Im on r7 GPU |
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| 17:08.47 | helphelp | what to do next? |
| 17:10.58 | helphelp | .......? |
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| 17:11.35 | nickoe | Is there a tool to create debian changelogs from bzr like there is for git? |
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| 17:12.32 | SynrG | helphelp: patience |
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| 17:12.41 | gswain | I am installing wheezy with the graphical installer and created a raid set, when I partition it it wont let me specify the size of the partition so that I can get swap on there too? How can I do that? |
| 17:12.51 | helphelp | SynrG: ok what now |
| 17:13.06 | SynrG | i don't know. i'm just catching up the backlog |
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| 17:14.43 | SynrG | helphelp: how do you switch GPUs on a system like that? i know about bumblebee for hybrid nvidia/intel systems. i am not familiar with radeon/intel though |
| 17:15.10 | helphelp | I just put DVI cable from one switch to another |
| 17:15.21 | qu | Looks like KDE is busted. |
| 17:15.23 | SynrG | i see. so this is just a 2nd card, not a hybrid? |
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| 17:15.50 | helphelp | no |
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| 17:16.16 | SynrG | have we seen a /var/log/Xorg.0.log from you from after you did aticonfig and restarted X on the ATI card? |
| 17:16.21 | SynrG | that would be the next place to look |
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| 17:17.29 | micw | # |
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| 17:18.03 | SynrG | helphelp: it's unclear to me what you've done. did you install fglrx? if so, i didn't see any evidence of that in the irc log |
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| 17:20.18 | mns | what is the equivalent of /sbin/consoletype under debian ? I can't seem to find it on packages.debian.org and apparently some CorpIT script at work requires it. |
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| 17:23.03 | petn-randall | mns: You can use 'apt-file search /sbin/consoletype' to check it. But there is no such thing in Debian. |
| 17:23.22 | petn-randall | mns: I'm guessing the package is super old? |
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| 17:23.58 | mns | petn-randall: more than likely yes |
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| 17:26.06 | Walex | mns: what does 'consoletype' do? |
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| 17:28.02 | saivert | but seriously. should I ditch /etc/init.d/networking and friends and just install network-manager? I can't seem to get the classic debian networking scripts to behave. |
| 17:28.25 | petern_ | Depends what you need to do... |
| 17:28.32 | petern_ | On a desktop system, certainly why not. |
| 17:28.39 | saivert | This is a headless server |
| 17:28.48 | gswain | is there any reason why i cant partition a raidset in the installer? |
| 17:29.07 | gswain | it only seems to want to partition the whole thing |
| 17:29.12 | saivert | with a bridge device for sharing network with linux containers |
| 17:29.21 | gswain | and I really want to put my swap on it too |
| 17:29.27 | gswain | ive never ran into this before |
| 17:29.38 | gswain | would the text installer work better? |
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| 17:30.22 | somiaj | saivert: I like using the interfaces file (which is what /etc/init.d/networking uses). For a headless server I would just figure out how to set up the interfaces file correctly so the bridge works. |
| 17:30.30 | mns | Walex: haven't any idea, but from looking at it seems to be used to set a variable called CONSOLETYPE to see if its "serial" or whatever other values consoletype provides |
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| 17:30.44 | somiaj | gswain: there are differences and the text installer could work better. Best bet would be use the 'expert' installer (which is also text) |
| 17:31.12 | somiaj | gswain: for your paticular issue I cannot say if it is a limitation of the graphical installer or not, just that the expert installer gives you far more tools (: |
| 17:31.15 | petern_ | saivert, ok, don't use network-manager for that. |
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| 17:31.29 | petern_ | There should be no problem with /etc/network/interfaces on Wheezy. |
| 17:31.33 | gswain | kk thanks :-) |
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| 17:35.44 | saivert | http://paste.debian.net/91720/ |
| 17:36.30 | saivert | I also tried using dhcp on the bridge interface and it said it aquired a lease but it didn't set the address configuration. Manually running dhclient br0 works |
| 17:36.43 | saivert | and I can't get static configuration to work either |
| 17:36.57 | kremlin | I'm worried about the future of our solid, stable, reliable distribution. That systemd guy was banned from the kernel development process because he doesn't fix his code. I've been very reluctant to give systemd mindshare because it didn't provide an equivalent feature set to what it's trying to replace, being that I value my working system. This development of kernel banned puts me in the position of second, third, fourth, fif |
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| 17:37.20 | saivert | adn despite having inet6 stanzas there the scripts automatically disabled ipv6 on it. had to reenable using sysctl |
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| 17:38.46 | helphelp | when r7 gpu is on even grub loader is slow, while on integrated intels hd4600 gpu everything is fast |
| 17:39.18 | helphelp | Scyte: |
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| 17:39.47 | helphelp | ,,what todo |
| 17:39.47 | somiaj | kremlin: you got cut off, but this probabaly isn't the best place to argue the decision that systemd is going to be the default in jessie. This was a heated debate and I think you can go look at mailing list archives and the likes to see the reasoning behind the change. I haven't kept up to date on it, but I belive one of the biggest key points was to have a single uniform init system for package managers to write scripts for. |
| 17:39.48 | Dagger | saivert: I'm not sure having two bridge configs for the same interface is supposed to work. it may be interpreted as two bridges with the same name (and that's definitely not supposed to work) |
| 17:40.00 | Dagger | try just not having an inet6 stanza for the interface |
| 17:40.03 | helphelp | and can someone copy me advices from before |
| 17:40.15 | helphelp | is my gpu bad or what?\ |
| 17:40.18 | saivert | okay but how do you even configura dual-stack then? |
| 17:40.22 | saivert | *configure |
| 17:40.29 | helphelp | please help me |
| 17:40.30 | somiaj | kremlin: as to why systemd over alternatives, I think it was a very close vote and systemd was the one that barely won. |
| 17:40.51 | Dagger | by having a `iface br0 inet6` stanza without bridge_*, I guess? |
| 17:41.16 | Dagger | but if all you want is SLAAC, then you don't need to do anything, so long as the interface is up (and you haven't disabled SLAAC) you'll get it |
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| 17:41.46 | saivert | yeah. I would be tempted to just sidestep it all and do a full manual configuration. but I'll try this first |
| 17:42.23 | gswain | even text mode does not want to let me partition the raid, basically I can only create one partition and it uses up the whole raid device (I cant specify a size) Can anyone please help? |
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| 17:42.37 | helphelp | tremon: |
| 17:43.03 | petern_ | kremlin, don't give it mind share then, keep using sysvinit. |
| 17:43.24 | SynrG | helphelp: i already said |
| 17:43.55 | SynrG | 14:16 < SynrG> have we seen a /var/log/Xorg.0.log from you from after you did aticonfig and restarted X on the ATI card? |
| 17:43.55 | SynrG | 14:18 < SynrG> helphelp: it's unclear to me what you've done. did you install fglrx? if so, i didn't see any evidence of that in the irc log |
| 17:43.55 | petern_ | saivert, so... what doesn't work with your paste? ipv6? |
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| 17:44.59 | wdonkey | Hello ! im verry excited, i just got my hard drives from the mail !!! |
| 17:45.00 | saivert | nice. works fine now. |
| 17:45.12 | saivert | guess two occurences of the bridge_ lines throws it off |
| 17:45.13 | wdonkey | i want to build a headless debian samba home fileserver |
| 17:45.18 | saivert | would be nice with a syntax checker |
| 17:45.19 | petern_ | Ok. Yes. |
| 17:45.22 | wdonkey | what format should i format the hard drives ? |
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| 17:46.10 | saivert | but those scripts could do with a makeover anyways. instead of arguing over sysvinit and systemd, you could focus attention on other important stuff |
| 17:46.17 | saivert | they don't use iptools2 binaries |
| 17:46.22 | petern_ | Why? They work. |
| 17:46.22 | kremlin | Yeah, I don't want to try to argue the merits, I just wanted to put my voice out there that I'm concerned as a debian user. I'm hoping for the best and will keep with Debian either way. |
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| 17:46.34 | saivert | they use ifconfig and brctl. which are deprecated |
| 17:46.58 | aliver | Just installed a new debian 7.4 box. I'm having a really weird issue. The ssh client appears to be malfunctioning. I can ping/netcat/telnet to port 22 to the target server but ssh times out on connect(). It's also double wierd because when i run tcpdump, I never even see a syn packet when I kick off ssh. However, if I use netcat, I see it every time. |
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| 17:47.07 | aliver | Any ideas what could be biting me here folks? |
| 17:47.19 | aliver | Googing for "ssh connection timed out" gets me a whole lot of unrelated stuff. |
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| 17:47.31 | aliver | Also, I have no iptables rules at all. |
| 17:47.38 | helphelp | SynrG: http://pastebin.com/fihJAaS5 |
| 17:48.03 | petern_ | saivert, ifup/ifdown use the ip command, I believe. |
| 17:48.12 | somiaj | kremlin: afaik sysvinit will still be supported in jessie, so hopefully with another few years hopefully systemd will mature. At least that is my hope. |
| 17:48.39 | petern_ | saivert, there's no instance of ifconfig/brctl in my /etc/init.d/* |
| 17:48.51 | helphelp | fglrx-driver is already the newest version. |
| 17:48.56 | somiaj | aliver: ssh -vvv foo@host -- do you get anyuseful info from that? |
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| 17:49.19 | helphelp | maybe I should disable integrated GPU in mb's bios SynrG ? |
| 17:49.22 | SynrG | helphelp: the backtrace at line 578 is concerning |
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| 17:49.27 | SynrG | helphelp: i don't think so. |
| 17:49.59 | helphelp | what with it |
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| 17:50.23 | SynrG | you get: |
| 17:50.25 | SynrG | [ 131.349] [mi] EQ overflowing. Additional events will be discarded until existing events are processed. |
| 17:50.30 | SynrG | and then lots of additional messages like: |
| 17:50.34 | saivert | it was /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/bridge |
| 17:50.35 | SynrG | [ 131.535] [mi] EQ overflow continuing. 100 events have been dropped. |
| 17:50.41 | saivert | part of bridge-utils |
| 17:50.46 | petern_ | saivert, ah fair enough. |
| 17:50.53 | SynrG | i've not seen that before. looks like problems, though. would have to look up those errors |
| 17:50.59 | helphelp | how to fix it what to do |
| 17:51.05 | SynrG | patience |
| 17:51.13 | petern_ | What is meant to be used instead of brctl? |
| 17:51.18 | saivert | and that script also contains code that disabled ipv6 for some reason |
| 17:51.19 | SynrG | i just said: i'll have to look up those errors. |
| 17:51.48 | saivert | petern_: ip link add br0 type bridge |
| 17:52.38 | saivert | and to enslave an interface: ip link set dev eth0 master br0 |
| 17:52.47 | gswain | multiple partitions on a raidset in the installer -- any way to do it? |
| 17:52.55 | SynrG | helphelp: hmm. those errors relate to your input device(s) i.e. mouse/keyboard |
| 17:53.03 | tremon | appears to be a cpu-related problem rather than gpu. I can find those backtraces with either ami, ati or nvidia cards |
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| 17:53.06 | SynrG | i don't know if that's related to your poor performance or not. |
| 17:53.10 | helphelp | ?? |
| 17:53.20 | saivert | thanks for the help anyways |
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| 17:53.31 | SynrG | i'm still looking into it. but it's odd that it relates to input & not GPU as i had thought |
| 17:53.32 | linuxthefish | which is good download for debian on desktop? :S |
| 17:53.40 | linuxthefish | i need blu-ray disk? |
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| 17:53.52 | SynrG | tremon: did you see that paste? (singling you out because you participated in helping helphelp earlier) |
| 17:54.05 | tremon | yes, it's what I was responding to. sry |
| 17:54.10 | petern_ | saivert, I guess "if it works, don't fix it" |
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| 17:54.12 | tremon | could have made that clearer |
| 17:54.21 | pederindi | Hey, How to generate sources.list as it did in installation of Debian? When you say you don't have internet, no sources.list generated. But there is an application that do that in installation, so it's possible (you have to select your region, and the server) |
| 17:54.25 | SynrG | tremon: ok. did you see evdev is in the traceback? |
| 17:54.28 | rhy | Anyone know how to install dell wireless 1540 drivers? |
| 17:54.38 | helphelp | what should i do |
| 17:54.43 | rhy | I've been googling, but no luck so far. |
| 17:54.54 | SynrG | helphelp: be patient, please, while we discuss your case. |
| 17:55.05 | SynrG | helphelp: pinging us constantly "what should i do?" isn't helping us concentrate |
| 17:55.25 | linuxthefish | what is netinstall and dvd? |
| 17:55.34 | helphelp | ok can u pm me |
| 17:55.42 | helphelp | ill be off for a 15-20min |
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| 17:56.55 | somiaj | linuxthefish: netinstall is a small install image that only contains a debian base system (very minimial system but fully functional) that then uses the network to install all adiditonal packages. |
| 17:56.59 | tremon | SynrG, helphelp: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57679 is a similar bugreport for radeon. Also with evdev in the backtrace, but the bug was still accepted. I think evdev is not involved |
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| 17:57.12 | SynrG | hmm |
| 17:57.15 | linuxthefish | somiaj which one is good for basic desktop? :S |
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| 17:57.22 | SynrG | so just happens to be in the event loop when it happens? |
| 17:57.34 | somiaj | linuxthefish: the dvd will be a much bigger image, and will contain more stuff on the install medium. |
| 17:57.44 | linuxthefish | so use this? |
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| 17:57.51 | gswain | can i be because im using the netinstall i cant partition my raid set? |
| 17:57.57 | somiaj | linuxthefish: the only difference is do you have a copy of the packages you want to install on a large dvd or get them all from the internet |
| 17:58.06 | linuxthefish | WTF 5 DVD's just to install debian... |
| 17:58.19 | gswain | i just want to have 3 partitions /boot / and swap |
| 17:58.30 | somiaj | linuxthefish: the biggest issue with the netinstall is many wireless cards require non-free firmware so it is suggested you use a wired connenction or an unoffical firmware image |
| 17:58.32 | gswain | there has got to be a way to partition this |
| 17:58.38 | somiaj | !tell linuxthefish about firmware image |
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| 17:59.35 | tremon | SynrG: so far, I can find bugreports for all kinds of hardware (amd fusion, core i7, haswell graphics, nvidia, radeon). No useful pattern or resolution |
| 17:59.40 | SynrG | tremon: so: |
| 17:59.42 | SynrG | Option "ColorTiling2D" "false" |
| 17:59.48 | somiaj | gswain: the debian installer is the same on the netinstall or the larger cd's or dvd. I don't know enough about raid to even diagonse your issue. maybe someone else does. |
| 18:00.01 | tremon | might work, but it's likely a radeon-specific option that won't work for fglrx |
| 18:00.02 | SynrG | tremon: if i don't catch him when he returns, can you followup? |
| 18:00.09 | SynrG | ahh |
| 18:00.11 | SynrG | crap :/ |
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| 18:00.20 | tremon | possibly, but I'll be offline in about an hour too |
| 18:00.24 | somiaj | gswain: it seems strange to me that you cannot partition it like that. That is a common setup. (: |
| 18:00.36 | SynrG | i don't think glamor is an option |
| 18:00.41 | SynrG | well, he said 15-20m |
| 18:00.46 | gswain | yea i know thats what makes it so frustrating :( |
| 18:00.59 | SynrG | i'll try to keep my eyes open :) |
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| 18:01.41 | SynrG | more importantly, i have to keep up with some work stuff :/ |
| 18:02.02 | somiaj | gswain: here are some alternative options. 1) have you tried to hit ctrl-alt-f2 and see if you can do the partitioning manually? 2) download a live image (such as live.debian.net) and set up the raid and partition it with full toolset. Then just select the already partition (and maybe even file systems made) during the install. |
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| 18:02.19 | tremon | SynrG: shoo. make money first :) |
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| 18:03.19 | somiaj | linuxthefish: 5 dvd's contain every debain package out there, you probabaly only need a small portion of those. The netinstall will work, the dvds are only if you want a phiscal copy of the software on a dvd. Most likely you will only need dvd1 |
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| 18:04.03 | somiaj | linuxthefish: my suggestion is use the non-free firmware iamge I had the bot tell you about. |
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| 18:31.17 | SynrG | helphelp: so whenever you're ready to resume, tremon and i found and interesting bug report relating to your problem. there's a workaround in it too, but probably only applicable to the free radeon driver, so we would have to figure something out for you if you are going to continue to use fglrx. |
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| 18:41.43 | `ryban | Greetings! |
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| 18:44.23 | shawnbon206 | if a system is not resuming from sleep (sleep of death), can someone please give me a hint as to where i should look to resolve this? |
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| 18:45.34 | nkuttler | shawnbon206: does this happen repeatedly? check the logs.. do you just get a fresh reboot or what happens? |
| 18:45.34 | g0d | hello my dick is not working lol |
| 18:45.41 | g0d | nkuttler: fuck u lol |
| 18:45.45 | nkuttler | !ops g0d trolling |
| 18:45.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: nkuttler complains about: g0d trolling |
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| 18:46.08 | ScottE | shawnbon206: /var/log/pm-* and other logs is where I start |
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| 18:46.33 | LtL | shawnbon206: first thing i would ponder is lack of swap |
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| 18:47.27 | shawnbon206 | nkuttler no, black screen, backlight wont even come on, must hold power button for 10 seconds to force power off |
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| 18:48.58 | g10h4ck | hi all! |
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| 18:49.12 | g10h4ck | someone using my user on a server lauched the command byobu |
| 18:49.23 | g10h4ck | now when i launch tmux byobu is launched... |
| 18:49.31 | g10h4ck | how to disable this overriding ? |
| 18:49.44 | g10h4ck | there is nothing on my .bash_rc and similar... |
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| 18:52.00 | SynrG | g10h4ck: "someone" how? did you look away and they typed it at an unattended session you had logged in? |
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| 18:52.49 | g10h4ck | the administrator runned it by sudo -s myuser |
| 18:52.50 | SynrG | g10h4ck: and is this on debian? |
| 18:52.56 | g10h4ck | yes it is on debia |
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| 18:53.24 | Nik05 | g10h4ck byobu-config? |
| 18:53.29 | shawnbon206 | too much l33t in the channel right now |
| 18:53.40 | g10h4ck | well i just wanna tmux don't be overridden |
| 18:53.47 | g10h4ck | why and how it overridden it ? |
| 18:53.51 | Nik05 | and g10h4ck is it in /etc/profile.d? |
| 18:53.52 | SynrG | byobu: /etc/profile.d/Z97-byobu.sh |
| 18:53.59 | Nik05 | i was first SynrG :D |
| 18:54.11 | sandman13 | why does paste.debian.net says this: Your ip (110.34.0.243) is listed on http://www.projecthoneypot.org/. If this was a false positive please contact the admin? |
| 18:54.28 | g10h4ck | thanks i'll try them! |
| 18:54.34 | kirkland | g10h4ck: you need to 'tmux kill-server' |
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| 18:54.51 | Nik05 | sandman13 maybe your ip was in a botnet |
| 18:55.27 | Nik05 | yep looks like it sandman13 |
| 18:56.02 | sandman13 | Nik05 does it have to do something with OS? |
| 18:56.12 | sandman13 | or it is the problem of the isp |
| 18:56.24 | g10h4ck | thanks kirkland it worked :) |
| 18:56.38 | kirkland | g10h4ck: np |
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| 18:56.57 | Nik05 | if you have a dynamic ip, and you didnt have this ip before, ask your isp to change your ip. otherwise stop spamming or get out of a botnet |
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| 18:58.07 | sandman13 | Nik05: i have dynamic IP |
| 18:58.18 | Nik05 | then ask your isp |
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| 18:59.40 | Nik05 | sandman13 but what i can see is that it has been used for spamming multiple times, even yesterday so maybe you are in a botnet or spamming yourself |
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| 19:00.56 | sandman13 | Nik05: spamming myself? how? btw let's move this discussion to offtopic |
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| 19:06.42 | basiclaser | how to correctly burn windows 8 from debian. help preez :) |
| 19:07.12 | petern_ | Get matches, light match, apply flame to Windows. |
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| 19:09.13 | mentor | basiclaser: The same as any optical disk image? |
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| 19:10.12 | eduhat | I just installed wheezy and had to configure the apt-sources manually. I've used ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org. For some reason it is taking forever to connect to each domain, once it connects it runs as normal. |
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| 19:11.05 | eduhat | It will sit at [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org ...] for a couple minutes then finally download the software etc. |
| 19:11.27 | mentor | eduhat: Slow DNS lookup probably. Possibly IPv6 |
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| 19:11.52 | eduhat | I'm thinking IPv6 though I didn't enable it in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 19:12.45 | eslo | eduhat: Slow DNS maybe, try using http.debian.net instead of ftp.us.debian.org, leave security.debian.org as is. |
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| 19:13.07 | mentor | eduhat: That may not stop link-local addresses getting assigend |
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| 19:14.30 | eduhat | Yes that works a lot better. |
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| 19:15.10 | eslo | eduhat: http.debian.net? |
| 19:15.26 | mentor | eduhat: Different mirror? |
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| 19:19.09 | eduhat | yes, http.debian.net |
| 19:19.30 | eduhat | does http.debain.net throttle? |
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| 19:21.53 | eslo | eduhat: Not sure what throttle means. http.debian.net is a "frontend" to redirect you to the closest mirror based on your IP. |
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| 19:22.25 | eduhat | eslo: if it does that, then that works. Throttle as in have a cap on the download speeds. |
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| 19:23.41 | eslo | eduhat: Ok, I see. Backend servers are based on official debian mirrors. If the closest mirror have throttle, it will throttle. |
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| 19:24.22 | eduhat | eslo: Ok, thanks for your help. |
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| 19:26.59 | Moho | Hello ! |
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| 19:42.13 | linuxthefish | somiaj you are lier |
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| 19:42.20 | linuxthefish | rt2860.bin is not on that cd! :( |
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| 19:42.26 | linuxthefish | and can't download |
| 19:43.22 | SynrG | not on the firmware image? |
| 19:43.42 | linuxthefish | no... |
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| 19:44.18 | SynrG | and before you go calling people liars, you should at least extend them the benefit of the doubt that perhaps they are simply mistaken. it's not nice |
| 19:44.39 | linuxthefish | no on debian website :( |
| 19:46.12 | linuxthefish | wtf no PPPoE concentrator |
| 19:46.43 | SynrG | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.4.0/amd64/list-cd/firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.list.gz |
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| 19:46.57 | SynrG | i grep that list and find firmware-ralink is in it |
| 19:47.00 | nmschulte | Is there a way to keep a PCI device from being... utilized by the system? |
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| 19:47.20 | SynrG | and then i apt-file list firmware-ralink: |
| 19:47.22 | SynrG | firmware-ralink: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin |
| 19:47.22 | linuxthefish | SynrG but it's not |
| 19:47.31 | SynrG | so the list lies? |
| 19:47.32 | linuxthefish | it ask me to put on other drive |
| 19:47.33 | nmschulte | Essentially, I want to remove the card (a discrete gpu) from my laptop, without actually removing the card. I want to keep DRM from trying to initialize the device. |
| 19:47.53 | SynrG | linuxthefish: you're sure you got the right image? let's see the URL for the image you used |
| 19:47.58 | linuxthefish | firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:48.09 | linuxthefish | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.4.0/amd64/list-cd/firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.list.gz |
| 19:48.20 | linuxthefish | wait |
| 19:48.26 | linuxthefish | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 19:49.01 | linuxthefish | if i select no dont use bin it says can't connect to the wireless network anyway |
| 19:49.09 | SynrG | well, that's certainly the same image that the list.gz i linked refers to |
| 19:49.36 | linuxthefish | april fool change image? :/ |
| 19:49.59 | SynrG | no. if you look in the /pool for that image it should contain firmware-ralink*.deb |
| 19:50.06 | SynrG | i'll fetch and examine myself. hold |
| 19:50.41 | linuxthefish | D:\pool\non-free\f\firmware-nonfree\firmware-qlogic_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb\ |
| 19:50.46 | linuxthefish | yes SynrG it has :S |
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| 19:51.22 | SynrG | eta ~2m |
| 19:51.31 | SynrG | firmware-qlogic? |
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| 19:51.37 | SynrG | firmware-ralink is what you're looking for |
| 19:51.40 | linuxthefish | yes |
| 19:51.41 | linuxthefish | oh |
| 19:51.44 | SynrG | and you can do: dpkg -c |
| 19:51.47 | SynrG | it will list the contents |
| 19:52.01 | linuxthefish | D:\pool\non-free\f\firmware-nonfree\firmware-ralink_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb\ |
| 19:52.08 | linuxthefish | i'm on windows :/ |
| 19:52.11 | SynrG | right. do dpkg -c firmware-ralink_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
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| 19:52.23 | SynrG | well, in any case, unless apt-file list is lying to me ... |
| 19:52.41 | SynrG | that file contains the necessary firmware blob |
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| 19:53.01 | linuxthefish | it says here on the install list The missing firmware files are: rt2860.bin |
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| 19:53.23 | Nik05 | firmware-ralink: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin |
| 19:53.30 | Nik05 | thats what i get too SynrG |
| 19:54.00 | SynrG | -rw-r--r-- root/root 8192 2013-01-06 00:19 ./lib/firmware/rt2860.bin |
| 19:54.18 | SynrG | that's directly from examining the package on the iso |
| 19:54.25 | SynrG | i think you own somiaj an apology |
| 19:54.29 | SynrG | owe* |
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| 19:54.39 | linuxthefish | in console he says "/dev/.udev/firmware-missing does not exist, skipping" |
| 19:54.51 | linuxthefish | somiaj sorry but debian lies now :S |
| 19:54.55 | SynrG | haha |
| 19:55.18 | SynrG | well, i'm sure the error message is correct. it just doesn't mean what you think it means :p |
| 19:55.29 | SynrG | so now we have to find out why it "lies" |
| 19:55.44 | linuxthefish | hardware is bad with Debian? |
| 19:56.56 | Nothing4You | hi there, i'm having dependency issues on wheezy, any ideas? http://ix.io/bug |
| 19:57.04 | SynrG | linuxthefish: how did you prepare the installer media? |
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| 19:57.27 | linuxthefish | write to USB with program called rufus |
| 19:57.28 | SynrG | linuxthefish: somehow the installer can't find the firmware. maybe the installer media was written in some "strange" way so it can't find it? |
| 19:57.32 | SynrG | gahh |
| 19:57.48 | SynrG | if rufus doesn't just do a byte-by-byte copy ... |
| 19:58.01 | SynrG | but tries something "clever" to make it bootable ... |
| 19:58.07 | SynrG | that could be your whole problem. |
| 19:58.17 | linuxthefish | oh |
| 19:58.24 | linuxthefish | i just copy all the files over? |
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| 20:00.38 | SynrG | linuxthefish: no. and sorry, life here ... |
| 20:00.45 | linuxthefish | :( |
| 20:01.08 | SynrG | i have a program in mind |
| 20:01.23 | SynrG | this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 20:01.29 | SynrG | highly recommended |
| 20:01.41 | SynrG | *just* does a raw disk image copy |
| 20:02.45 | linuxthefish | yey thanks, i already have this on my computer for raspberry pi i'll try :D |
| 20:02.45 | SynrG | avoid rufus, unetbootin, etc. for debian iso images. they're totally not necessary because debian makes hybrid ISO images directly writable to USB without conversion |
| 20:02.47 | linuxthefish | cheers |
| 20:02.51 | linuxthefish | oh |
| 20:02.51 | SynrG | plus they trash the installer |
| 20:02.56 | SynrG | as you found out the hard way :) |
| 20:03.01 | linuxthefish | sorry :( |
| 20:03.07 | SynrG | it's ok |
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| 20:03.17 | SynrG | now i know one more thing to warn users off of :) |
| 20:03.21 | SynrG | had never heard of rufus |
| 20:03.29 | SynrG | so, win/win |
| 20:03.31 | SynrG | good luck |
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| 20:04.35 | linuxthefish | O.O the screen is correct resolution now :D |
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| 20:08.04 | linuxthefish | oh well, debian still broken :( |
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| 20:08.46 | sabotender | any recommendations for remote desktop that 'just works' under debian? |
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| 20:11.02 | dizzylizzy | Hi, I'm using Debian wheezy and am trying to backport a package for myself. I ran "dget -x http://address-of-dsc-file" and it failed on GPG verification... I ran "gpg --recv-keys KEY_ID" for the specified key, and it imported it, but it still fails as key not found |
| 20:11.08 | dizzylizzy | Do I have to add it to a different keyring? |
| 20:12.03 | dizzylizzy | I'd rather do that than use "dget -u" to ignore the authentication step |
| 20:12.04 | linuxthefish | sabotender x2go :D |
| 20:12.05 | nkuttler | what's dget? |
| 20:12.20 | dizzylizzy | it's a devscripts program that downloads debian source and binary packages |
| 20:12.27 | babilen | nkuttler: grab devscripts, "man dget" |
| 20:12.39 | nkuttler | my apt-file doesn't know about it.. |
| 20:12.39 | Nothing4You | i'm having dependency issues on wheezy, with py2.7{,-dev}, any ideas? http://ix.io/bug |
| 20:12.43 | babilen | Many goodies in there (in debian-goodies too) |
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| 20:13.20 | babilen | Nothing4You: First and foremost: Don't use "stable" in your sources.list -- it'll cause you pain later. |
| 20:13.25 | nkuttler | babilen: i'm mostly content. not much building left to do.. except for pillow |
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| 20:13.47 | nkuttler | reminds, me, need to fix my ssmtp setup and send out that bug report.. |
| 20:14.02 | Nothing4You | babilen: why would it? i do want to upgrade those systems when there is a new stable |
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| 20:14.18 | babilen | Nothing4You: Mind throwing in the "apt-cache policy python2.7-dev python2.7 libpython2.7" output? |
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| 20:14.54 | Nothing4You | babilen: http://ix.io/buk |
| 20:15.11 | babilen | Nothing4You: Yes, but you want to do that in a controlled manner by following the instructions in the release notes (cf. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html for wheezy) |
| 20:15.12 | dizzylizzy | god, piping into |column -t is amazing |
| 20:15.36 | dizzylizzy | especially with things like "aptitude versions packagename|column -t" |
| 20:15.49 | babilen | Nothing4You: "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 20:15.54 | sabotender | linuxthefish: can x2go control an active desktop that is being used locally? |
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| 20:16.17 | Nothing4You | babilen: gives the same output as a normal `apt-get upgrade` |
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| 20:17.41 | babilen | Nothing4You: Did you do anything strange in the past? Does "aptitude install python2.7-dev" come up with sensible actions? In the end you really just have to install that package, but I wonder how you managed to upgrade them independently. |
| 20:18.13 | Nothing4You | babilen: i don't have aptitude installed, i might accidently have only upgraded it partially because running out of space |
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| 20:18.29 | Nothing4You | that was the only strange thing on that system |
| 20:18.52 | sabotender | ugh. that doesnt seem easy to install at all |
| 20:18.59 | babilen | Nothing4You: That is what happened then. Why don't you have aptitude? It is a very useful tool and would come in quite handy right now. What does "dpkg -a --configure" give you? |
| 20:19.10 | sabotender | x2go is out |
| 20:19.24 | Nothing4You | babilen: it's a _real_ minimal image |
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| 20:20.12 | ScottE | sabotender: xrdp? |
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| 20:20.18 | Nothing4You | ok, so i did a `dpkg -a --configure`: http://ix.io/bul |
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| 20:21.41 | babilen | Nothing4You: Well, that was definitely a good thing to do, but I don't quite understand why apt-get is still behaving that way. What is the policy right now? Does "apt-get -f install", "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" show anything of interest? |
| 20:21.45 | multi_io | can you do something like dpkg --get-selections on machine1, dpkg --set-selections / aptitude upgrade on machine2, while also transferring the "automatic" flags of the packages? |
| 20:22.38 | Nothing4You | babilen: didn't try -f yet, enforcing such stuff isn't always the best idea to "try" first |
| 20:22.55 | jordanm | Nothing4You: apt-get install python2.7-dev=2.7.3-6+deb7u2 |
| 20:23.01 | jordanm | Nothing4You: -f is "fix", not "force" |
| 20:23.09 | sabotender | ScottE: maybe. im trying to find step by step install instructions now |
| 20:23.17 | Nothing4You | jordanm: ah, good to know, thanks |
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| 20:23.38 | Nothing4You | after `apt-get -f install` it's fixed |
| 20:23.47 | Nothing4You | i guess i should have tried that first then :P |
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| 20:24.14 | Nothing4You | thanks babilen, jordanm |
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| 20:24.50 | granny | Where can I find the log of this IRC channel? |
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| 20:25.10 | babilen | Nothing4You: "-f" just fixes unsatisfied dependencies. Keep in mind to run a "dpkg -a --configure" (run configure steps for pending packages) and "apt-get -f install" are good steps to run if an upgrade was stopped for whatever reason. |
| 20:25.17 | helphelp | SynrG: any update? |
| 20:25.24 | jordanm | !tell granny about irclog |
| 20:26.21 | SynrG | helphelp: we found a bug resembling yours and workaround for the bug, but applicable to the free radeon driver, not the non-free fglrx. there might be some fglrx workaround. we just didn't look any further: |
| 20:26.28 | granny | jordanm, thanks |
| 20:26.34 | SynrG | 14:56 < tremon> SynrG, helphelp: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57679 is a similar bugreport for radeon. Also with evdev in |
| 20:26.37 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.54 | helphelp | so wat to do now? |
| 20:27.12 | SynrG | well, we could try uninstalling the fglrx (and undoing the xorg.conf you made) |
| 20:27.14 | helphelp | Ill switch to ubuntu while this resolve, whats ETA? |
| 20:27.37 | SynrG | the install just the non-free firmware for radeon. then make an xorg.conf that has the workaround in it. |
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| 20:27.41 | SynrG | then* |
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| 20:27.59 | SynrG | this is the workaround: |
| 20:28.01 | SynrG | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57679#c3 |
| 20:28.03 | helphelp | what to do? |
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| 20:29.12 | SynrG | well, since it's going to be hand-holding all the way, it might be simpler for me to research if there's a similar workaround for fglrx |
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| 20:30.33 | helphelp | SynrG: --enable-glamor ? |
| 20:30.48 | SynrG | helphelp: no. ColorTiling2D |
| 20:30.50 | helphelp | will my GPU work on ubuntu? |
| 20:31.02 | SynrG | that's not a topic for this channel |
| 20:31.10 | Luxxi | ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:31.18 | SynrG | helphelp: can you show us your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please? |
| 20:31.42 | SynrG | helphelp: from what i've read elsewhere, ColorTiling2D option might be applicable also to fglrx. |
| 20:31.53 | SynrG | helphelp: i would like to see the one aticonfig generated for you |
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| 20:34.30 | helphelp | SynrG: http://pastebin.com/44QQqbxE |
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| 20:37.15 | SynrG | helphelp: well, i can't find any ColorTiling2D in the fglrx man page, so i don't think the workaround in that bug (which is, after all, on radeon) applies to you. |
| 20:37.27 | helphelp | ok ;[ |
| 20:38.30 | SynrG | we could, as i said, try to make it work with the free radeon driver. |
| 20:38.55 | SynrG | but your hardware may be too new for the one in wheezy. |
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| 20:39.54 | sabotender | ScottE: you are awesome. that was so easy to get working |
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| 20:40.45 | sabotender | windows remote desktop connected to it without a problem. gnome3 had to start in fallback mode, but it still works a peach |
| 20:40.59 | sabotender | now I can disconnect this monitor and put away the keyboard |
| 20:41.06 | ScottE | sabotender: glad it worked for you! |
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| 20:42.36 | SynrG | helphelp: i'm broadening my bug search to find fglrx bugs that match your report |
| 20:42.41 | SynrG | will take time |
| 20:42.47 | helphelp | ok |
| 20:42.52 | helphelp | ill come back here soon |
| 20:42.58 | helphelp | thanks for help good bye |
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| 20:44.12 | SynrG | k. later |
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| 20:51.43 | multi_io | I want to create a tar archive that retains uids (numerically), gids (numerically), permission bits, and symlinks. Is this the default when running as root, with --numeric-owner? |
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| 20:52.49 | sabotender | how do i install missing firmware AFTER installation? |
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| 20:53.38 | sabotender | all im getting are articles that explain how to do it during the os install |
| 20:53.46 | dondelelcaro | sabotender: you just install the appropriate firmware package |
| 20:54.06 | sabotender | dondelelcaro: all i have here is a .bin file |
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| 20:55.02 | sabotender | its for my wireless pci card |
| 20:55.16 | babilen | sabotender: No, you would typically install the firmware package in question from the repositories (e.g. firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-iwlwifi, ...) |
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| 20:55.33 | sabotender | huh |
| 20:55.45 | sabotender | i got this from the manufacturers website |
| 20:56.05 | sabotender | it has a ralink chipset |
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| 20:56.37 | dondelelcaro | sabotender: you probably want the firmware-ralink package, then. |
| 20:58.00 | babilen | sabotender: For that use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/91750/, run "apt-get update" and then install the package. |
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| 20:59.44 | sabotender | im not sure what that means |
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| 21:00.07 | babilen | sabotender: Which part exactly? |
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| 21:01.50 | sabotender | im trying to figure out how to add a repository because it was unable to lcate a package 'firmware-ralink' |
| 21:01.59 | SynrG | sigh. for helphelp there is: http://devgurus.amd.com/message/1296326#1296326 but he's gone now (and the article isn't much help: a) doesn't exactly match the reported conditions for crash, or the symptoms, though the error messages match, and b) is not answered and therefore is not much use |
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| 21:02.14 | SynrG | mind-dumping it here in case he returns. |
| 21:02.16 | babilen | sabotender: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html as that should clarify the usage of the packaging system on Debian. The sources.list I pasted is essentially a complete and perfectly fine definition for the repositories from which you can install software. |
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| 21:02.51 | babilen | sabotender: So, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it looks like the one I pasted, then run "apt-get update" and then install the package with "apt-get install firmware-ralink" |
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| 21:03.18 | babilen | sabotender: It might also make sense to show us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" first so we can check if you need anything else for that card. |
| 21:04.04 | sabotender | looks like synaptic is what i need to use to add repositories in a gui environment |
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| 21:07.08 | SynrG | sabotender: i don't know about 'need'. anyone can open a terminal in a gui environment too :) |
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| 21:16.07 | sabotender | ill never understand that crap. ill just manually download the deb package from the net and install manually |
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| 21:20.54 | phaer | Is there a way to use ldd on a 32-bit executable using a 64-bit system without installing it in a chroot? |
| 21:21.13 | sabotender | see? instead of mucking with repositories, installing it manually did the job a peach |
| 21:21.23 | sabotender | smiles |
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| 21:23.53 | babilen | sabotender: You *have* to be able to edit your sources.list if you ever want to run Debian. There are easy editors such as gedit (which you can run with "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list") or nano ("nano -W /etc/apt/sources.list") ... |
| 21:24.33 | babilen | sabotender: If everything else fails you could use synaptic to do that, but that isn't really necessary. But if you find it easier and better then, by all means, use that! |
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| 21:27.51 | sabotender | I honestly can't be bothered. its too much of a hassle to install software in that fashion. all that crap should have been enabled by default |
| 21:30.30 | granny | sabotender: repositories also help you to keep the package up to date |
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| 21:35.33 | babilen | sabotender: They would be if you configured it that way during the installation (and had been online then) -- But then, if you can't be bothered to work even a little bit on your system ... |
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| 21:38.25 | sanchez_ | How do I restart my vnc if im logged in via ssh? |
| 21:38.37 | sanchez_ | When I remote connect the screen is completely black... |
| 21:38.39 | viccuad | sabotender: I can power off my computer with a hammer, and I don't do it. |
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| 21:42.54 | sanchez_ | vino-preferences didn't seem to do anything |
| 21:42.59 | sanchez_ | im logged in via ssh |
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| 21:44.52 | sanchez_ | got it sorry =[ |
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| 22:06.06 | Kazlock | What release should I use for x86_64 architecture? |
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| 22:06.24 | bazhang | amd64 |
| 22:06.36 | Kazlock | okay ty |
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| 22:07.09 | Kazlock | That's confusing because my processor is an i3 |
| 22:07.23 | Kazlock | not amd |
| 22:07.27 | Kazlock | i probably sound dumb though |
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| 22:08.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kazlock about why amd64 |
| 22:08.24 | babilen | Kazlock: Well, i386 runs on AMD processors too :) |
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| 22:08.45 | bazhang | i3 is intel |
| 22:09.00 | bazhang | a la i3, i5, i7 |
| 22:09.07 | Kazlock | right |
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| 22:26.58 | sdf10809 | how does that work? asked dpkg but don't understand how a core i3 processor is amd64 |
| 22:28.03 | bazhang | is it 64 bit? |
| 22:28.05 | dondelelcaro | sdf10809: amd64 is the name of the emt64 architecture in Debian. |
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| 22:28.26 | bazhang | amd was simply the first to tm it |
| 22:28.39 | dondelelcaro | sdf10809: because AMD came out with the instruction set and produced the first chips; Intel at that time was doing IA64. |
| 22:29.00 | sdf10809 | ok, so amd called it amd64 |
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| 22:29.15 | sdf10809 | now intel has to live with that? |
| 22:29.28 | dondelelcaro | sdf10809: no, that's why intel called it emt64. |
| 22:29.30 | wols | amd has to live with "i386" for far longer... |
| 22:29.46 | sdf10809 | i know but linux distros go by amd's name |
| 22:29.57 | sdf10809 | because they were first, right |
| 22:30.41 | dondelelcaro | sdf10809: yes. The official name is x86-64, but that wasn't the standardized name for the instruction set until a bit later. regardless, it's just a name. |
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| 22:30.55 | sdf10809 | ok |
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| 22:32.48 | Geo | Hi, I just replaced all my RAID disks with larger disks- I'd like to now grow the RAID to use the available space. I see several different methods online; what do you suggest? |
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| 22:38.07 | icefuzion | My crunchbang is starting in commandline mode, when I do ctrl-alt-F7 it just shows a blinking line. Same thing when I try to start lightdm. Any help? |
| 22:38.42 | SynrG | !crunchbang |
| 22:38.42 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 23:02.45 | linuxthefish | hi, what's the package called to compile stuff with glib? |
| 23:04.31 | centrx | linuxthefish, apt-cache search glib dev |
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| 23:04.59 | linuxthefish | cheers, i was just searching for glib |
| 23:05.57 | average | linuxthefish: maybe libglib2.0-dev |
| 23:06.02 | linuxthefish | is there a way to install all packages listed in apt-cache search? |
| 23:06.21 | average | linuxthefish: which apt-cache search is that ? |
| 23:06.33 | linuxthefish | <centrx> linuxthefish, apt-cache search glib dev |
| 23:06.58 | centrx | linuxthefish, You don't want to install all those packages, you want to find the one package you want |
| 23:07.28 | linuxthefish | anyway that package worked, thnks |
| 23:07.43 | average | linuxthefish: apt-cache search "glib.*dev$" | perl -ane 'print "$F[0]\n";' | xargs sudo aptitude install ? |
| 23:08.06 | SynrG | in other words, there's always a way :) |
| 23:08.13 | average | SynrG: :) |
| 23:08.20 | SynrG | but yes, finding out the right thing to do is far more important |
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| 23:09.56 | linuxthefish | apt-get install * |
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| 23:31.39 | Geo | Hi, I just replaced all my RAID disks with larger disks- I'd like to now grow the RAID to use the available space. I see several different methods online; what do you suggest? |
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| 23:34.36 | Drenferalis | Having an issue with multiple taskbars and app menu's after editing xorg to use an nvidia driver. |
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| 23:36.45 | multi_io | I want to reinstall all packages, which is to say, rewrite/overwrite their binary files without touching or changing config files. is that possible? |
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| 23:37.28 | somiaj | Drenferalis: Can you clarify please. Are you having visual artificts so you see things out of sync and double, or for some reason is your window manager/desktop enviorment giving you two task bars and you can click on each sepertally? |
| 23:37.33 | somiaj | multi_io: yes but why would you want to do such a thing? |
| 23:38.20 | Drenferalis | somiaj: An additional taskbar and app menu everytime gnome-panel starts. |
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| 23:39.20 | Drenferalis | pkill gnome-panel adds another too, im up to 6 of them |
| 23:39.23 | multi_io | somiaj: because is did a quite brute-force tar c / scp /tar x of all binaries and package metadata files from one system to another, and I'm not sure all binaries were written correctly |
| 23:39.55 | multi_io | (the target system was a running system, not a mounted volume of a non-running system) |
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| 23:40.34 | somiaj | Drenferalis: this sounds like a configuration issue or issue with gnome, I don't see why it would be related to the video driver you use. One quick suggestion. Can you maybe create a new user and see if that user has the same problem? (want to see if it is a system wide thing or something with the paticualr user you are using) |
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| 23:40.42 | somiaj | multi_io: look at the package debsums |
| 23:41.09 | somiaj | multi_io: that will verify and tell you what ones don't match or are corrupt |
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| 23:41.12 | Drenferalis | somiaj: I'd love to make a new user and log into it but unfortunately my mouse went out after the thrid replication. |
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| 23:41.40 | somiaj | multi_io: there is a --reinstall option for both apt-get and aptitude and many ways to get the full list |
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| 23:42.08 | petn-randall | Geo: I haven't done this yet, but what are the options you've read about? |
| 23:42.09 | somiaj | multi_io: you may also want to look at /msg dpkg clone (and notice the instructions for using aptitude to clone so you keep track of the auto flag info, the --reinstall option will overwrite the autoflag if it is set |
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| 23:42.25 | somiaj | Drenferalis: what version of debian are you running? Sounds like something is gon very haywire |
| 23:42.31 | petn-randall | Geo: I'm assuming you have a RAID with mdadm? |
| 23:42.47 | somiaj | Drenferalis: my suggestion here would be hit ctrl-alt-f1, open up a console and kill everything related to x including stoping your display manager and then restart it |
| 23:43.19 | multi_io | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 23:45.57 | agh_ | hello. I'm using system-config-samba (a tool originally packaged for ubuntu I recompiled on debian following instructions at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=103852 ) to create shares but the point is that sometimes I can see the shares, most of the time I can't. Even when I can see the names of the shared folders, I can't access them (tried with both Nautilus/Network and Iceweasel) What could be the problem? |
| 23:47.52 | somiaj | agh_: I thought we suggested you don't use a ubuntu utility (there could be some differences between samba). Setting up a samba share in teh config file isn't to difficult and that is what would be better supported here |
| 23:48.06 | somiaj | agh_: we are not going to make assumptions about how this unknown tool is setting up these shares. |
| 23:48.39 | somiaj | agh_: when you can't see the shares is the samba service running? Have you tried smbclient to see if you can see the shares from the command line? |
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| 23:49.55 | agh_ | somiaj: well, what you say is right, but it is also true that before posting I had once success in sharing a folder containg files and all was right. but i couldn't replicate this later. Anyway the samba service is running |
| 23:51.52 | ShapeShifter499 | hi guys |
| 23:51.55 | somiaj | agh_: well I would try to track down the difference between when you can see the shares and when you can't. Again you will get far more info using the config file than some tool. And for the most part we will not support using a ubuntu tool for this. |
| 23:52.04 | ShapeShifter499 | is clamav the best there is for linux? |
| 23:52.12 | petn-randall | !best |
| 23:52.12 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:52.31 | somiaj | agh_: does restarting samba do anything? Do the log files of samba or on your system say anything that could be relevent? |
| 23:52.39 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: what is your goal of av in linux? |
| 23:52.43 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm thinking of setting this up on my debian file + print server |
| 23:52.59 | ShapeShifter499 | I mean is clamav the best anti virus I can get for linux |
| 23:53.29 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: what is your goal with using this AV? Are you trying to protect your linux system from virus, if so you have other issues to worry about on linux |
| 23:53.44 | ShapeShifter499 | somiaj: I'm just making sure I plug any holes |
| 23:53.50 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: I use to use clamav to scan windows harddrives for virus, it seemed adaquate for that method. |
| 23:53.53 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: To find Windows virii? It's the only open-source solutions, but if you care about AV, there are several other anti-virus scanner that run under Linux. |
| 23:54.10 | petn-randall | s/solutions/solution/ |
| 23:54.13 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: I don't think that is what you want then. |
| 23:54.23 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall: so clamav isn't for linux based viruses? |
| 23:54.38 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: *which* Linux based viruses? |
| 23:54.51 | viccuad | linux based viruses? xD |
| 23:55.04 | viccuad | you have some rootkits, and that's all |
| 23:55.23 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall: I have no idea yet. I just want to make sure I plug any potential holes I have |
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| 23:55.45 | petn-randall | Well, you also have viruses, but the whole malware lists fits on a single, small Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware |
| 23:56.37 | mo1991 | anyone help me with steam? Error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: |
| 23:56.37 | mo1991 | libc.so.6 |
| 23:56.39 | ShapeShifter499 | I have iptables (v4 and v6) up to block everything the system itself did not initiate except port 22 and ports required for shared cups printing |
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| 23:56.40 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: Of all 15 viruses known to Linux, none affect a current Debian. |
| 23:56.44 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: linux has differetn security concerns. A lot will do with what sort of servers are you running and are usually dealt with differentally tahn running a virus scanner. |
| 23:57.14 | mo1991 | Steam plays works OK with portal, doesn't work with star conflict due to this error it seems Error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: |
| 23:57.16 | mo1991 | libc.so.6 |
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| 23:57.43 | viccuad | mo1991: you need to use multiarch, to have the 32bit libraries and so |
| 23:57.47 | mo1991 | using the steam-debian package. Steam works fine just not this nely downloaded games |
| 23:57.53 | mo1991 | viccuad - did that |
| 23:57.55 | viccuad | it is explained in the debian wiki page |
| 23:57.58 | mo1991 | steam works fine to play portal |
| 23:58.17 | ShapeShifter499 | somiaj: my only servers on my lan have ssh and cups right now. Any file backups or sharing is done over ssh (rsync, sshfs, etc.) |
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| 23:58.24 | petn-randall | mo1991: if you're running jessie/sid, it's supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:58.25 | mo1991 | just doesn't work with the new game called star conflict - |
| 23:58.34 | mo1991 | running debian wheezy |
| 23:58.34 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: then you should be fine, espcially if you are extra paranoid with iptables firewall. |
| 23:59.07 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: just run debian stable and keep up to date on your security updates and you'll be fine. |
| 23:59.10 | petn-randall | mo1991: steam isn't even in wheezy last time I checked, does it even fit the specs? |
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| 23:59.15 | mo1991 | strange, everything in steam works fine. |
| 23:59.28 | mo1991 | petn-randall - there is a specific debian-steam package for wheezy |
