| 00:00.03 | petn-randall | mo1991: Nope. Did you install the version from jessie on wheezy? |
| 00:00.06 | mo1991 | not in the repo though. It's what some people on here have recommended and works fine other than with this new game. Portal plays fine |
| 00:00.14 | mo1991 | no, I installed the version for wheezy |
| 00:00.28 | ShapeShifter499 | somiaj: I'll also add clamav to my servers just to make sure I didn't pickup a infected file that got backed up |
| 00:00.29 | mo1991 | along with all the i386 files from wheezy. |
| 00:00.33 | viccuad | mo1991: debian wiki says you need jessie, and it isn't in wheezy: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 00:01.05 | mo1991 | viccuad - https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
| 00:01.25 | viccuad | mo1991: I use steam package in jessie and it works with my 97 games |
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| 00:01.44 | viccuad | maybe you should try the debian "maintained" package |
| 00:02.02 | viccuad | do you really need wheezy? |
| 00:02.15 | mo1991 | viccuad - I couldn't get the deb from jessie to install in wheezy |
| 00:02.40 | viccuad | well, that's normal, the deb from jessie takes into account the dependencies it needs |
| 00:02.43 | mo1991 | yes I absolutely need wheezy - jessie is much too unstable / changing for my needs. I run servers |
| 00:03.04 | viccuad | which possibly aren't matched in wheezy |
| 00:03.06 | viccuad | then.. |
| 00:03.34 | viccuad | you should think if it's a good idea to run steam in an OS tailored for servers |
| 00:03.37 | mo1991 | doing some research, it looks like the package from git stores the libc6.so file in a seperate folder |
| 00:04.11 | mo1991 | viccuad - I'm really not sure what your talking about. I've run steam on debian wheezy for some time now. All games work fine except for this one particular game |
| 00:05.03 | viccuad | but do you recognize that wheezy does not have the dependences for it and you are just using a hack with that github repo, don't you? |
| 00:05.08 | somiaj | ShapeShifter499: that would be useful if you share files with windows users and could at least help catch things on your network. |
| 00:05.36 | viccuad | ShapeShifter499: if you are going to have ssh open, remember to not use passwords and use keys, etc |
| 00:05.47 | mo1991 | viccuad - yes - that is what has been recommended in this debian channel many times for us "stable" users |
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| 00:05.57 | mo1991 | and it works fine |
| 00:06.05 | viccuad | but not for that game |
| 00:06.09 | mo1991 | just this one game must be looking for the files differently |
| 00:06.25 | viccuad | try to preload the libc6 then? |
| 00:06.37 | agh_ | somiaj: I am sure the samba service is running, I think the shared folders can be accessed after some time I change a setting in that tool, and here's the output of smbclient: http://paste.debian.net/91767/ |
| 00:06.39 | mo1991 | viccuad - I realize what you are saying, it is a hacked steam - but it's our best option for now it seems |
| 00:06.58 | viccuad | or run steam on console, and try to debug when that game fails, and where is it looking for the lib, and make a link? |
| 00:07.22 | agh_ | It shows that the shares are visible, but still I can't access their content |
| 00:07.52 | viccuad | mo1991: I'm without clues, more than using PRELOAD or debugging steam |
| 00:07.52 | mo1991 | viccuad - looking at the git repo - it seems that they include their own Ubuntu's libc6 deb package, saved in /usr/lib/steam |
| 00:08.11 | mo1991 | I think your right it has something to do with creating proper shortcuts, etc. |
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| 00:09.14 | mo1991 | I need to investigate how the git package is "sideloading" this updated version of libc6.so (2.15 I think) while the wheezy system is using 2.13 |
| 00:09.41 | ShapeShifter499 | viccuad: alright |
| 00:10.07 | mo1991 | this seems to be the error the game is giving. Strange that other games have worked fine for a long time tho. |
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| 00:10.37 | viccuad | maybe the game doesn't use the path and it is hardcoded, and it fails. who knows. |
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| 00:11.08 | mo1991 | and still do - it seems steam does require these "ubuntu" updated libs which is what is loaded by the git steam package does, but this game only can't find em. |
| 00:11.41 | mo1991 | good point viccuad. Its a fairly new linux release called star conflict. |
| 00:12.20 | petn-randall | ShapeShifter499: I can personally say that we got rid of clamav at my company because we ended up having > 95% false positives. |
| 00:12.38 | mo1991 | viccuad - how would I PRELOAD the correct libc6.so? meaning what is proper syntax for preload command? |
| 00:12.57 | mo1991 | PRELOAD = FILENAME |
| 00:12.59 | nf7 | I can change the brightness of my system on the Debian lock screen in 8 increments (no visual feedback other than the brightness change), but once I'm on the desktop, I can only change it in 5 increments (and the apple-esque visual feedback appears). Is there any way I can get it so that the desktop will also allow me the greater range of brightness levels? |
| 00:13.02 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 00:13.39 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall: really? hmm |
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| 00:14.07 | ShapeShifter499 | petn-randall: what should I do to ensure I don't have windows virus files floating around my server? |
| 00:14.27 | viccuad | mo1991: LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/my/lib.so /bin/binary |
| 00:14.36 | viccuad | mo1991: google it, it's going to be easier |
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| 00:15.32 | mo1991 | cool - thx viccuad |
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| 00:15.55 | viccuad | mo1991: anyway, maybe that could fix the libc6 issue. but if the game does not know where are the libs, maybe it will fail in another lib |
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| 00:17.41 | Kazlock | silly question - I'm installing debian right now and I'm having trouble loading some firmware its asking for. I have the correct package, but my flash drive is write-only while it contains the .iso so I can't just stick it in there |
| 00:17.50 | Kazlock | read only* |
| 00:18.03 | multi_io | somiaj: ..so, how would I reinstall a package (its binary files) without changing its auto flag? |
| 00:18.08 | dvs | Kazlock: get the firmware installer |
| 00:18.16 | agh_ | here's my http://paste.debian.net/91768/ It says I share Downloads and Music, I can't access them though (Nautilus: Unable to mount location Failed to mount Windows share) |
| 00:18.26 | agh_ | my smb.conf |
| 00:18.30 | wols | Kazlock: the usb stick is using FAT. you can copy it onto the stick, yes. or you can download a installer image with firmware |
| 00:18.36 | wols | !tell Kazlock about firmware images |
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| 00:19.43 | Kazlock | Okay I'll look into the firmware installer, thanks. |
| 00:20.06 | Kazlock | The main problem though is that I can't put anything other than the debian iso on the flash drive |
| 00:20.16 | mo1991 | viccuad - after messing around with it, it has nothing to do with the libraries it seems. I was getting that error from trying from command running steam command as opposed to steam-debian which uses the newer libraries automatically |
| 00:20.42 | mo1991 | viccuad - it may be that this game just doesn't work yet in steam properly as it was just released, dunno |
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| 00:22.25 | dvs | Kazlock: The other way would be to create a second, empty partition and put the firmware onto that. |
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| 00:23.15 | viccuad | mo1991: so you have 2 packages installed, steam for jessie and steam-debian? |
| 00:23.39 | mo1991 | no, I just have the version for git installed. It's just one .deb file |
| 00:23.47 | viccuad | aah, ok |
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| 00:24.25 | mo1991 | it is hacked though. it includes a steam, and a steam-debian command. steam-debian is I imagine just the steam command pointed to the libc6.so files that are the updated rather than standard wheezy files |
| 00:24.35 | viccuad | cool |
| 00:24.41 | mo1991 | googling how to debug a steam program, do you know how? |
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| 00:24.55 | mo1991 | when I run the game nothing happens. Even if I run it at command prompt. |
| 00:24.55 | viccuad | so, one should always use steam-debian, and not steam command |
| 00:25.13 | mo1991 | perhaps this game just doesn't work right yet on linux |
| 00:25.26 | mo1991 | viccuad - correct about the steam-debian command |
| 00:25.28 | viccuad | I used to run steam on a terminal, and use some flags maybe? |
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| 00:27.57 | agh_ | Shouldn't this smb.conf http://paste.debian.net/91768/ mean that I share Downloads and Music correctly? Well, I can see the folders' names but I can't access their content |
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| 00:29.19 | nf7 | When is the new version of Debian coming out? |
| 00:29.25 | Geo | Hi, I just replaced all my RAID disks with larger disks (still paritioned to the original size though)- I'd like to now grow the RAID to use the available space. I see several different methods online; what do you suggest? |
| 00:29.26 | dvs | !wwjr |
| 00:29.26 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
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| 00:30.32 | nf7 | ok thanks |
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| 00:30.42 | viccuad | !jessie pool 1 |
| 00:30.42 | dpkg | ! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23 |
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| 00:32.22 | mo1991 | !jessie pool 1 |
| 00:32.22 | dpkg | ! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23 |
| 00:33.07 | mo1991 | :) that's hilarious |
| 00:33.56 | nf7 | Will it be necessary to do a completely new reinstall for the new version of Debian? |
| 00:33.58 | PadawanLearner | ? |
| 00:34.13 | centrx | nf7, No |
| 00:34.17 | mo1991 | nf7 - no |
| 00:34.30 | nf7 | excellent |
| 00:34.33 | dvs | maybe |
| 00:34.46 | dvs | ...oh wait... no |
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| 00:37.26 | nf7 | excellent |
| 00:37.40 | PadawanLearner | !jessie |
| 00:37.40 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 00:38.16 | PadawanLearner | !jessie pool |
| 00:38.16 | dpkg | See <jessie pool 1> for bets placed on when Jessie will release. To add one, ask me about <jessie bet>. |
| 00:38.25 | PadawanLearner | LOL |
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| 00:46.47 | krooked | when running dpkg i keep getting error 27, bundles not found |
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| 00:49.01 | krooked | any thoughts on this? ive been trying to fix it for about a week now |
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| 00:52.01 | fdr | Hi all |
| 00:52.04 | fdr | I do have s stupied question... |
| 00:52.45 | fdr | I just installed wheezy with KDE . I'll configured it to a friend of mine. But, it seems I can't find a way to enable .deb installs from dolphin (double click) |
| 00:53.09 | fdr | It seems it does not work out of the box... I cant find anything about that at debian wiki, or google |
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| 00:55.04 | james0r2 | fdr, i ran into the same thing on kde on a recent install. using gdebi-gtk worked for me though. |
| 00:55.27 | zophy | if i overwrite a file with a link.. is there anyway i can recover the file ? |
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| 00:56.41 | fdr | james0r2, there is qapt too.. But, why is that missing from default install ? |
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| 01:09.18 | CygniX | is there any redundancy here? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/50f868b6 |
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| 01:09.57 | phy1729 | CygniX: pipe it through sort |
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| 01:11.23 | phy1729 | honestly you should just have a default deny ruleset and then you don't need that |
| 01:11.54 | CygniX | hmmm, the idea is attempt to block port scanners |
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| 01:12.36 | phy1729 | default deny just does that better |
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| 01:16.10 | CygniX | phy1729: here is the full table http://paste.debian.net/plainh/c64a2533 |
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| 01:17.55 | phy1729 | CygniX: you'd have to put the block of flag rules before all the other rules if you want it to be effective |
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| 01:18.43 | phy1729 | or you could just do --tcp-flags SYN,ACK SYN -m state --state NEW on all of them |
| 01:18.54 | fdr | james0r2, it did enable it... do you know why is it not installed by default ? |
| 01:20.08 | CygniX | phy1729: thanks, let me test it |
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| 01:21.15 | james0r2 | fdr, yeah i'm not sure. didn't check to see if a bug was reported. |
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| 01:24.05 | tharkun | CygniX: paste the output of iptables-save it is a satandard output that makes life easier to read. |
| 01:24.19 | Geo | What tool can I use to expand a partition to fill the remainder of the disk, without losing data? Is it possible to use fdisk? |
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| 01:24.37 | CygniX | tharkun: you mean iptables -nL ? |
| 01:24.48 | tharkun | nope iptables-save |
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| 01:27.07 | tharkun | CygniX: anyway dports is also your friend and you might as well as someone suggested block the malformed packetes first. |
| 01:27.45 | tharkun | BTW you might also take a look at the iptables module recent. It hass quite some nice capabilities you might enjoy |
| 01:27.53 | CygniX | tharkun: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/31974249/ |
| 01:29.11 | tharkun | CygniX: Line 21 I would move to position #1 it usually makes it run faster. |
| 01:29.49 | tharkun | and line 22 would be #2 ;P |
| 01:30.17 | tharkun | No use making 20 comparisons when you have a state machine running allready |
| 01:30.23 | CygniX | tharkun: line 21 was #1 before I pasted the other lines over it |
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| 01:30.58 | tharkun | CygniX: A matter of taste. |
| 01:31.21 | CygniX | I am going to edit it to reflect your suggestiong |
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| 01:33.51 | CygniX | I believe it's working, thanks phy1729, tharkun |
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| 01:34.16 | tharkun | CygniX: Above all remember that whatever you do is you own responsability. You can read suggestions but you should do as you see fit and above all what makes you sleep soundly. |
| 01:34.37 | tharkun | Specially regarding iptables and security |
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| 01:35.47 | CygniX | tharkun: I a novice with iptables so, all suggestion are fully appreciated |
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| 01:36.54 | tharkun | CygniX: Study them *BEFORE* you implement them. |
| 01:37.27 | CygniX | yep, I won't do anything without first asking questions |
| 01:37.29 | tharkun | iptables is a straight forward tool that is indeed easy to use. |
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| 01:38.50 | JasonWoof | chromium won't send a "POST" on this extremely simple form (with no javascript.) https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Version 33.0.1750.152 Debian jessie/sid (256984) |
| 01:38.56 | JasonWoof | I disabled greasemonkey and everything |
| 01:39.46 | JasonWoof | can anybody reproduce this? Any idea why this is happening? |
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| 01:40.32 | JasonWoof | it works fine in iceweasel, and I tried editing the source to remove the "id" attributes from the "form" and "input" elements (because they didn't match the "name" attributes) |
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| 01:40.53 | JasonWoof | it still (according to the inspector) uses the "GET" method, and doesn't pass any query args |
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| 01:50.08 | fdr | james0r2, yeah, I ll check, and report it otherwise . tks for your help :) |
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| 02:19.16 | bePolite | I am trying to install postfix on my server from here |
| 02:19.17 | bePolite | https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
| 02:19.26 | bePolite | I've done apt-get install postfix |
| 02:19.38 | bePolite | but The postconf package isn't installed |
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| 02:19.41 | bePolite | any help? |
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| 02:26.45 | centrx | bePolite, What package is postconf supposed to be in? |
| 02:27.15 | centrx | bePolite, If you did apt-get install postfix, postconf should be available to the root user. |
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| 02:28.24 | bePolite | centrx: I did |
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| 02:29.12 | bePolite | but apt-get install postfix |
| 02:29.12 | bePolite | but I didn't get postconf |
| 02:29.44 | centrx | Are you logged in as root? |
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| 02:30.55 | centrx | bePolite, https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=postconf&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 02:33.17 | bePolite | centrx: ok thanks |
| 02:33.22 | bePolite | It worked now |
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| 02:40.27 | xbr568 | the other day i set up the open source wl driver for my wifi and got it working. since then i updated my kernel from wheezy-backports. now when i call modprone wl, i get FATAL: Module wl not found. |
| 02:40.41 | xbr568 | and the steps i took to get it in the first place don't work |
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| 02:41.25 | xbr568 | https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 02:46.40 | xbr568 | does anyone know what might have happened to it? |
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| 02:59.34 | Pegasus_RPG | Which package has the samba tool "net" in it? |
| 03:01.36 | Pegasus_RPG | as in "net ads join" ? |
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| 03:01.53 | kenrestivo | aah, cool. backport from jessie to wheezy and znc works swimmingly. |
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| 03:04.23 | Pegasus_RPG | found it... samba-common-bin |
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| 03:23.48 | nmschulte | Hi all. My GNOME 3 (Debian Sid) isn't automounting USB and CDs/DVDs/BDs; is this intended? |
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| 03:29.22 | Th0masR0ss | nmschulte: you should try #debian-next on oftc, but I don't know if sid is supported at all |
| 03:29.45 | DrakkenWarr | agreed, sid is testing |
| 03:30.04 | nmschulte | Ignore the part about sid: you all on GNOME on Stable; do you get automounting in GNOME? |
| 03:30.08 | Th0masR0ss | sid is unstable, jessie is testing |
| 03:30.10 | DrakkenWarr | meaning you should read update warnings before runnning any sort of update, and things will break on a regular basis |
| 03:30.26 | DrakkenWarr | there ya go thanks TH0 |
| 03:31.02 | DrakkenWarr | xfce here, but usb will auto mount for me |
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| 03:34.57 | HappyNewYear13 | who is here a webmaster? |
| 03:35.22 | dondelelcaro | HappyNewYear13: what's your question? |
| 03:35.29 | monkwitdafunk | I have one |
| 03:36.06 | HappyNewYear13 | if some person is is ip blocked, what will they see in their browser? an error message or some looping trying to connect, connect, etc. |
| 03:36.15 | monkwitdafunk | Is dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3 the entire set for gnu lisenced software? |
| 03:36.22 | dondelelcaro | HappyNewYear13: depends how you're blocking the IP |
| 03:36.41 | HappyNewYear13 | dondelelcaro, if looping then...? |
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| 03:37.22 | HappyNewYear13 | dondelelcaro, the webmaster said, let them keep trying or something? |
| 03:37.29 | dondelelcaro | HappyNewYear13: they may return a 403, or they may just drop packets from that machine |
| 03:37.40 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: that has all of the binary packages, yes. |
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| 03:38.07 | DrakkenWarr | if configured correctly to block the address, it should silently drop the packets and return nothing. |
| 03:38.08 | monkwitdafunk | Is dvd4 non gnu lisenced? |
| 03:38.15 | HappyNewYear13 | dondelelcaro, i see. thank you. i thought that second choice wasnt possible |
| 03:38.30 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: there isn't a fourth dvd for amd64, anyway |
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| 03:38.53 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: and we don't distribute images of non-free and contrib software |
| 03:39.01 | DrakkenWarr | it all depends on the routing and hardware between who is trying to access the IP and what is at the destination end |
| 03:39.35 | DrakkenWarr | and of course how the ACL is setup etc |
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| 03:39.52 | monkwitdafunk | So dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3 for amd64 wheezy is the whole entire set |
| 03:39.53 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: and they're not just GNU licensed; they're any software which meets the DFSG and the requirements to be released in the current stable release |
| 03:39.58 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: yes |
| 03:40.10 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: of binary packages for amd64, yes. |
| 03:40.17 | Guest22988 | Hello, I am having a few issues with graphics drivers on Debian based distributions. My laptop uses integrated graphics (Intel and AMD). The model of the AMD is: radeon HD 7550M. You can find more information on http://pastebin.com/ZNYfNKsv as well as information regarding the particular error that I am getting. The opensource (xorg) drivers don't work very well with my Samsung Ultrabook and I have idle temperatures ranging from 85ºC to 95ºC as well as 30 |
| 03:40.17 | Guest22988 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.18 | Guest22988 | allation of Linux Mint ( I only reinstalled the root partition, since my "/home", "/boot" and swap are on different partitions) and everything was going fine. After a few reboots I then started having problems with X. It is now impossible to start X (with "startx" ) or any Desktop Environment, though the "tty". Assistance is appreciated. More information about the error can be found at http://pastebin.com/ZNYfNKsv, which I posted before. |
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| 03:41.03 | somiaj | Guest22988: we do not support debian based distrubtions here. Use the support for the distrubtion you choose to use. |
| 03:41.07 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 03:41.07 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:41.14 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: actually, scratch that... I was only looking at the torrents; there are 10 DVDs, actually. |
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| 03:41.56 | monkwitdafunk | I am guessing the torrents are more closer to being gnu lisenced |
| 03:42.05 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: no, they're just the most popular software |
| 03:42.08 | Guest22988 | somiaj: I get the same errors under Debian. Only the part about "additional driver application" doesn't exist in Debian. |
| 03:42.18 | dondelelcaro | monkwitdafunk: in general, the DVDs are ordered by popularity |
| 03:42.57 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. Thanks dondelecaro |
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| 03:43.26 | monkwitdafunk | !cd-image |
| 03:43.36 | Guest22988 | somiaj: Nonetheless, I have already gone through Mint's IRC and documentation and there is little to expect from what I got. Would there be anywhere else to look for assistance? |
| 03:43.48 | nmschulte | HappyNewYear13: the second option probably isn't possible with most web server software; I don't know that I can configure Apache to completely ignore IP addresses. |
| 03:44.16 | DrakkenWarr | you can with a firewall or a switch nmschulte |
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| 03:44.30 | nmschulte | Right, but that's not the web server doing it. |
| 03:44.35 | HappyNewYear13 | nmschulte, interesting. thank you |
| 03:44.36 | DrakkenWarr | agreed |
| 03:44.41 | DrakkenWarr | just a thought |
| 03:44.50 | nmschulte | Yeah, I was just clarifying for his sake. |
| 03:45.05 | DrakkenWarr | fair enough, guess I was over thinking the issue :D |
| 03:45.15 | somiaj | Guest22988: There is #linux for general linux support. But unless you are actually trying to debug this issue on debian please use the comunity with mint if that is your prefered distrubtion. |
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| 03:46.01 | Guest22988 | somiaj: Thank you. I will be going now. |
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| 03:47.46 | monkwitdafunk | i am guessing that debian just does not stick to one kernel throughout the lifetime of wheezy eh |
| 03:49.20 | bazhang | there are backports iirc |
| 03:49.23 | somiaj | monkwitdafunk: yes it does, the life time of wheezy the default and suggested kernel to use will be 3.2+security fixes by the security team. |
| 03:49.57 | somiaj | monkwitdafunk: to help support people who need a newer kernel for newer hardware, there is an additional one provided by backports. But it does not have the security or the testing the main wheezy one does. |
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| 03:50.34 | Colloguy | hello, is there a way I can replicate the Compiz Expo plugin functionality in jessie? |
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| 03:50.59 | bazhang | using gnome-shell extension |
| 03:51.01 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. I have the mcgraw hill book on linux administration which is a beginners guide. There is a lot more stuff in it than sybex lpic-1 |
| 03:51.01 | Colloguy | without using compiz, that is (which isn't in the repo and appears to be dying anyway) |
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| 03:52.02 | monkwitdafunk | Colloguy. I see compiz in htop. I do not think it is dying |
| 03:52.10 | somiaj | Colloguy: yea compiz was removed from teh repo due to lack of support for it and all the bugs it generated. I think you are pretty much on your own if you want to use it. You might be able to build it on jessie and install it in /usr/local from source, but I woudln't know. |
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| 03:52.51 | monkwitdafunk | Sorry. My experiences were with ubuntu |
| 03:52.54 | DrakkenWarr | jessy is getting into muddy ground if this your main linux box |
| 03:53.09 | DrakkenWarr | I would not suggest that unless you have a test box to play with |
| 03:53.21 | somiaj | monkwitdafunk: the debian package just wasn't updated, got outdated and was buggy. During the release of wheezy it was jsut easier to pull it. |
| 03:53.42 | monkwitdafunk | Ok |
| 03:53.42 | Colloguy | is there an option for xfce users? :) (This is more of a convenience thing, as I'm not absolutely attached to xfce, I just happen to have xfce customized the way I like) |
| 03:54.25 | DrakkenWarr | While I use XFCE, I have not used compiz on my install ever, so I can tell you vanilla XFCE is great |
| 03:55.07 | somiaj | Colloguy: if all it is, is an additional plugin, I think compling the upstream source would be your best and only option if you truely wanted it. Though you may want to ask compiz users if any of them have done such a thing on debian. |
| 03:55.26 | DrakkenWarr | ^^ |
| 03:55.26 | Colloguy | I loved compiz, but apparently it is going to be superseded by built-in wayland functionality |
| 03:55.32 | bazhang | gnome-shell has an extension for it |
| 03:55.36 | Colloguy | actually, I jsut like the functionality, I don't care where it comes from |
| 03:55.46 | nmschulte | Compiz becomes obsolete with Wayland. |
| 03:55.56 | nmschulte | That's why they're working on Wayland. |
| 03:56.09 | nmschulte | It's magic sauce hot stuff. |
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| 03:57.38 | Colloguy | I'll try gnome on another install then, thanks all. |
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| 03:59.37 | nmschulte | Hi all, I have a really weird artifacting on the screen of my new laptop, and I need an opinion on whether or not you think it's hardware related. |
| 03:59.54 | nmschulte | http://oi59.tinypic.com/anlslk.jpg http://oi61.tinypic.com/zmgxnq.jpg http://oi61.tinypic.com/2qm2bli.jpg |
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| 04:00.25 | magyar | hi, anyway I can concatenate two mp4 files in jessie? |
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| 04:01.03 | nmschulte | Those images show the artifacting. Whenever there is contrasting text (and I assume just contrast in general, but that's more subtle), I get artifacting across the screen. It will move with the window holding the text as well. |
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| 04:02.12 | nmschulte | magyar: mencoder, ffmpeg |
| 04:02.38 | magyar | nmschulte: thanks |
| 04:04.43 | Colloguy | hey, is it possible to install GNOME without the extra stuff in gnome-core (like the disk usage analyzer, cd burner, contacts app, etc...)? |
| 04:04.58 | nmschulte | Yes, but you need to manually choose which packages you want. |
| 04:05.40 | nmschulte | GNOME is installed via a dependency tree with what's called a "task" at the top of it. Pulling in the single task package gets you all of the rest of GNOME as dependencies. |
| 04:06.02 | nmschulte | Things are typically categorized in the packaging system, so you won't be able to leverage it if you want to use it to trim things down. |
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| 04:06.42 | nmschulte | (you would have to take/leave whole like applications; however the packagers decided to organize things, which is probably not conducive to what you're after) |
| 04:06.52 | Colloguy | so after I install the task, I am free to trim it down |
| 04:07.07 | nmschulte | This is true. |
| 04:07.48 | nmschulte | Though you will need to be careful as the package manager will try to resolve broken dependencies |
| 04:09.42 | wakd | I'm an encryption newbie, I want to make a small flashdrive to hold gpg and password database, so used mostly ro. Automount hopefully. I'm reading https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_removable_disk_encryption_with_dm_crypt_luks |
| 04:09.46 | wakd | The example there runs badblocks first. Is this required for flash or better to skip that? |
| 04:09.52 | Colloguy | okay, I guess that's good enough for me. (Would prefer a gnome-core-core though.) Thanks! |
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| 04:22.32 | bubchi89 | am i correct in thinking that it's desirable to keep pm-suspend root-only (or at least elevated privileges), but still allow suspending "without elevated privileges" if someone presses... the power button? |
| 04:22.44 | bubchi89 | if so... how do i accomplish that |
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| 04:27.37 | phantomcircuit | [3982738.154431] deluged[23353]: segfault at 7fad7b3c2d80 ip 00007fad7848f61e sp 00007fad75ddfcc0 error 4 in libcrypto.so.1.0.0[7fad783ee000+1b7000] |
| 04:27.38 | phantomcircuit | :( |
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| 04:31.01 | nmschulte | phantomcircuit: sad day. |
| 04:31.33 | nmschulte | Oh that was only deluge though, not so bad. |
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| 04:33.39 | phantomcircuit | nmschulte, i have to keep it in cron |
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| 04:33.43 | phantomcircuit | it's stupid annoying |
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| 04:34.21 | nmschulte | File a bug report! |
| 04:37.13 | magyar | nmschulte: I manged to join the files but they are 500MB in size, how can I make it smaller for someone to be able to stream if from a weblink? like a small flash or something |
| 04:38.35 | mo1991 | colloguy - you can install compiz via debian snapshot |
| 04:38.50 | nmschulte | magyar: you can use mencoder and ffmpeg (libav is the packaged fork in debian) to re-encode the video. you can use a more efficient codec to keep the same quality with smaller size, or sacrafice quality for size, or both. |
| 04:39.04 | nmschulte | as far as converting that into shockwave flash, I don't know. |
| 04:39.16 | nmschulte | some http servers support streaming of video content, that might be worth looking at |
| 04:39.20 | mo1991 | colloguy - add this repository deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20130815T034749Z/ sid main |
| 04:39.25 | magyar | nmschulte: perfect, thanks again |
| 04:39.27 | mo1991 | then install compiz |
| 04:39.38 | nmschulte | otherwise, I think you'll need a media server to do that; I think vlc has some hosting features if this is temporary |
| 04:39.48 | mo1991 | works fine. very stable. old version but works great with wheezy xfce 4 |
| 04:40.18 | mo1991 | you can also add emerald .74 version i think .deb files to make windows look nicer. |
| 04:40.18 | Colloguy | oh interesting mo1991 --- thanks! |
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| 04:40.59 | mo1991 | it's basically the same old .84 version you had with squeeze, but works with newer debian. just make sure you only install compiz and nothing else to keep your "stable" install in tact |
| 04:41.32 | mo1991 | so add that repository, install compiz, then remove it. |
| 04:41.37 | Colloguy | okay, I'll check it out, thank you |
| 04:42.17 | mo1991 | it drove me crazy not having compiz in wheezy as well, as I'm used to using it for productivity and don't like change :) |
| 04:43.18 | mo1991 | you'll have to search for emearld .74 debs on google tho - they are not in that repo - think its two ubunto debs |
| 04:43.19 | Colloguy | yeah, I can't live without expose/workspace switching/hot corners |
| 04:43.53 | mo1991 | all very stable - very old versions. I found all of the .9xxx versions to be buggy / unstable |
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| 04:45.54 | Colloguy | shoulda told me yesterday, by now I've replicated expose / hot corners using other packages already |
| 04:46.28 | Colloguy | only workspace switching is left |
| 04:46.33 | Colloguy | I'm slightly hesitant about installing compiz just for that though |
| 04:47.54 | mo1991 | well, you have the option. I use have compiz running the cube on 4 seperate monitors (in 4 different rooms) so I have 16 workstations - all very stable with wheezy |
| 04:47.54 | Colloguy | (maybe I shoulda went for gnome instead of a lightweight environment like xfce) |
| 04:48.52 | mo1991 | i find xfce + compiz to be much better than gnome, but again, I dont' like the gnome 3 changes. Anything that I can't easily open 2 terminals next to each other by clicking the terminal icon twice annoys me |
| 04:49.43 | Colloguy | never understood the cube thing ... I just come from os x |
| 04:50.15 | phy1729 | Colloguy: as evidenced by your nick ;) |
| 04:50.53 | mo1991 | same as workspace switcher except it looks like a cube when you move them. I use middle mouse button to rotate cube - the cube just make it easier for me to visually see what I have on each workspace. without it, I always am trying to figure out where everything is. |
| 04:51.19 | mo1991 | makes it easy one handed operation to see everything that's open on all workspaces |
| 04:51.59 | Colloguy | it seems like I'm pulling in a lot of gnome dependencies when I install things like libreoffice and brightside -- so I think I maybe should have started with gnome in the first place |
| 04:52.23 | Colloguy | but I use rcirc.el |
| 04:52.39 | Colloguy | oh, okay -- I never tried it, sounds neat |
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| 04:53.17 | mo1991 | for debian install , installing gnome first and then adding xfce is easier, as even though I never use gnome, most of the apps I use are installed with gnome during initial install |
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| 04:54.05 | mo1991 | installing just xfce doesn't install the most common apps, you have to install them later. Installing gnome and then xfce you have pretty much all the main stuff without any efffort. |
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| 04:54.27 | mo1991 | all you need to add to gnome standard install is apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
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| 04:56.51 | Colloguy | oh I know -- no wireless monitor, terminal doesn't support drag and drop, no pdf viewer |
| 04:56.51 | Colloguy | but I wanted a minimal system so I started from there |
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| 04:57.51 | Colloguy | anyhoo, thanks for the tips -- gotta go! |
| 04:57.58 | Colloguy | :P |
| 04:58.28 | JasonWoof | I use spectrwm with a few patches |
| 04:59.10 | JasonWoof | I have 13 workspaces (one for each of the top row except backspace). I have typical workspaces for many programs, so I know where to look for most programs |
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| 05:01.20 | JasonWoof | 1: chromium, canto, 4: aptitude, 5: gimp, 6: mutt, 7: iceweasel, 9: cmus, transmission, 10 pidgin, 11: daemons (fetchmail, etc) 12: video games, 13: misc long-running things that I'll probably want to shut off later |
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| 05:02.14 | JasonWoof | 2: more space for terminals when working on something not web-based, 3: libre-office, inkscape, evince, etc |
| 05:02.32 | JasonWoof | 2 and 3 are pretty "whatever" scratch space |
| 05:03.28 | nmschulte | Neat! I use gnome-shell with dual monitors (with workspaces spanned across both) and dynamic workspaces. Works well, but is a PITA to navigate as the keyboard shortcuts are all goofed. |
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| 05:03.51 | JasonWoof | yeah, I'm really picky about having good keyboard shortcuts |
| 05:04.16 | JasonWoof | I turned my capslock into super, and have lots of window/workspace switching/manipulations with that modifier |
| 05:04.22 | nmschulte | They just simply aren't working for me for some reason |
| 05:05.15 | JasonWoof | I don't have two monitors, but I get the impression that most WM have issues with that |
| 05:05.42 | nmschulte | That's interesting. I've never had an issue with Gnome 2, Gnome 3, or XFCE 4. |
| 05:05.46 | JasonWoof | I've thought about multiple monitors, but I decided it's just as good to hit a key to switch than to turn my head :) |
| 05:06.18 | nmschulte | I prefer to glance: works great for referencing docs while coding. |
| 05:06.30 | nmschulte | Also necessary for debugging applications. |
| 05:06.42 | JasonWoof | I've just read lots of stuff about people complaining that windows opened on the wrong monitor, that they had trouble getting the task bar on the correct monitor (or on both), and I've read READMEs of some WM saying that unlike WM x they support multiple monitors well |
| 05:07.17 | nmschulte | Yeah, I never ran into those issues; things worked well for me. |
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| 05:07.28 | JasonWoof | I have auto-tiling, so usually my code and graphics (be they web browser docs or the app I'm working on) side-by-side on the same monitor |
| 05:07.39 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: cool |
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| 05:08.04 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: sounds like you've been using pretty mainstream WMs |
| 05:08.13 | JasonWoof | that might be why they usually work :) |
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| 05:08.53 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: I find that even 1080 isn't quite enough for me to do that: I usually have vim open with at least two paned buffers while editing. |
| 05:09.03 | nmschulte | For sure, that could be. |
| 05:09.08 | bubchi89 | i use i3 wm and am pretty content. but i jsut heard someone say they prefer "bspwm" more |
| 05:09.19 | bubchi89 | not sure why, it seems like i3 wm is more featureful while being easier to use to boot |
| 05:09.20 | nmschulte | I am about to switch to a tiling WM I think, like ie-wm or xmoonads. |
| 05:09.28 | nmschulte | s/ie/i3/ |
| 05:09.38 | bubchi89 | i3 is good because it's the only wm i tried that has defaults that were sane |
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| 05:09.50 | nmschulte | bubchi89: does i3 have any issues with multiple monitors? |
| 05:09.50 | bubchi89 | i'm sure a to nof other ones are great. after you twiddle configs for a week |
| 05:10.12 | bubchi89 | haha unfortunately i can't give you my own anecdotal evidence, but there is a full section on it in the user documentation |
| 05:10.13 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: yeah, tiling WM usually come with horrid defaults. what's up with that? |
| 05:10.15 | bubchi89 | so i'd imagine it's okay |
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| 05:10.23 | bubchi89 | i haven't bought a second monitor... can't pick one |
| 05:10.40 | JasonWoof | I used xmonad for a while. it was really difficult to configure |
| 05:10.53 | bubchi89 | i tried for about 20 minutes and then i had class so i gave up on it and went back to fluxbox |
| 05:11.04 | JasonWoof | seemed like most things were possible, but it took hours to figure out each one. and in the end it seemed like what I wanted was not possible |
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| 05:11.05 | bubchi89 | in those 20 minutes i had some terminal emulators open and youtube. it was really hard to get there lol |
| 05:11.09 | nmschulte | I think "wm configuration profiles" should be part of mainstream WMs, just like when you play Halo and want to choose between the default or boxer controller profile (all of the others are insane; ignore them). |
| 05:11.22 | nmschulte | So you could configure it, and popular ones would be included in a chooser out of the box. |
| 05:11.31 | bubchi89 | mm you pretty much have that option with github lol |
| 05:11.35 | bubchi89 | everyone puts their configs on there |
| 05:11.40 | bubchi89 | mine is, but i'm not proud enough of it to share :P |
| 05:11.40 | JasonWoof | I'm very happy with spectrwm |
| 05:11.48 | nmschulte | This is true, but not everyone is a developer... |
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| 05:11.51 | JasonWoof | though I did make a patch for it, and LordReg made me another |
| 05:11.56 | bubchi89 | you can copy paste the file :) |
| 05:12.00 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: spectrwm is a tiling or windowing wm? |
| 05:12.07 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: tiling |
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| 05:12.52 | nmschulte | bubchi89: My parents wouldn't understand that they need to configure their UI shell by editing a text file... |
| 05:13.18 | bubchi89 | oh lol well i wouldn't suggest using a special window manager for most people... |
| 05:13.23 | JasonWoof | I think it's valuable to have both of these: 1) no matter what, when you close a window, you know ahead of time (without needing knowledge about what order they opened) which window will get focus after it closes. and 2) when I open a window, and then close it (without moving anything around, switching focus, etc) focus goes back to the window that had focus before I opened the window |
| 05:13.28 | Kazlock | Just got a fresh install of debian on my laptop and I was expecting to see a gui desktop but its just the command line and I'm confused lol |
| 05:13.38 | nmschulte | I was thinking this would apply to GNOME 3 as well. |
| 05:13.41 | bubchi89 | huh? a fresh install of debian should probably have GNOME installed |
| 05:13.53 | nmschulte | half of these alt+super+tab+` key combos are just dumb |
| 05:14.07 | Kazlock | It might, but maybe I need to enable it or something |
| 05:14.07 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: that's interesting but i'm not sure that would be hugely useful for me |
| 05:14.11 | bubchi89 | how often do you open/close windows? |
| 05:14.16 | JasonWoof | I find it shoking how few WM make both of those criteria possible |
| 05:14.17 | nmschulte | Yes, I was talking about the feature where WMs allow you to choose from a set of wm config profiles. |
| 05:14.28 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: lots |
| 05:14.36 | JasonWoof | I open and close terminals a lot |
| 05:14.37 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: special WMs are for power-user |
| 05:14.43 | bubchi89 | they're often meant for keyboard based flows... not mouse |
| 05:14.55 | bubchi89 | hence i wouldn't suggest them to a person who wants to just use the mouse |
| 05:15.12 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: ah interesting. i'll skim spectrwm at some point |
| 05:15.16 | JasonWoof | yeah, the time savings are mostly that you don't have to fiddle with the mouse |
| 05:15.32 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: it doesn't do that by default, but at my nudging, they made it so you can configure it that way |
| 05:15.33 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: here's the section: http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#multi_monitor |
| 05:15.34 | nmschulte | bubchi89: sorry, I thought this: < bubchi89> huh? a fresh install of debian should probably have GNOME installed |
| 05:15.38 | nmschulte | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.02 | bubchi89 | oh hehe |
| 05:16.28 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: I think it's these two: focus_close_wrap = 0 spawn_position = next |
| 05:16.31 | nmschulte | I agree, I'm not going to suggest xmonads to my dad for checking email, but the keyboard shortcut defaults in GNOME 3 are a bit silly IMO (but others like them). A nice feature would be to distribute popular configs and allow selection via GUI. |
| 05:16.40 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: one thing that was huge for me, was how i use alt + hjkl to swap to a target window instead of alt+tab |
| 05:16.51 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: yeah, I do that |
| 05:16.51 | bubchi89 | i thought alt+tab was the pinnacle of efficiency for switching windows... then alt + hjkl blew my mind |
| 05:17.01 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: hehe :) |
| 05:17.02 | nmschulte | bubchi89: orly... I'll have to give it a go. |
| 05:17.05 | bubchi89 | and i3 supports tabbing/stacking windows. so you still use 95% of your screen retail |
| 05:17.29 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: I have my "left" binding go all the way to the left-most window, and my "right" key go one step clockwise. then up/down switches workspaces |
| 05:17.58 | nmschulte | I just recently discovered ^w+hjklHJKL (and t!) in vim... |
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| 05:18.04 | JasonWoof | the cool thing about having "left" go all the way left is that I can switch to any window position without first checking what currently has focus |
| 05:18.18 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: hm interesting system |
| 05:18.42 | JasonWoof | vim has so many hidden depths it's nuts. I recently discovered that you can enable tab completion in insert mode |
| 05:18.43 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: that's a good call. i3 colors the title bar and provides a border. but i made the border super thin because i care about single pixels lol. i sometimes lose track of what i'm focused on |
| 05:18.56 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: Haha, that's what I use ctrl+t for in vim (with NerdTree); go left, then go on. |
| 05:18.58 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: probably with a plugin |
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| 05:19.16 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: ^w isn't just vim. in fact i wouldn't use it in vim |
| 05:19.24 | bubchi89 | i should figure out where exactly ^w comes from |
| 05:19.34 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: yeah, I did that. Then I had lots of errors where I didn't check, and thought a different window had focus. This is part of what made me feel it was important that the focus switching when opening/closing was consistent/predictable |
| 05:19.41 | nmschulte | bubchi89: how would you change panes in vim then> |
| 05:20.01 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: it doesn't happen _that_ often for me. because i'm usually typing or doing something actively in the active window |
| 05:20.01 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: LordReg made a patch for spectrwm that makes it so it can (with the help of xcompmgr) make all non-focused windows translucent |
| 05:20.08 | bubchi89 | but i haven't done real work in this wm yet. just casual stuff |
| 05:20.20 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: yeah that's a good call i think |
| 05:20.21 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: so now I don't have borders at all, and I rarely try to type into a non-focused window because I can see the desktop picture through it |
| 05:20.32 | Kazlock | trying to install the gui and it says it can't find the package gnome or something |
| 05:20.36 | bubchi89 | i wouldn't want the browser to be super transparent though |
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| 05:20.50 | nmschulte | I think I might make a modification on JasonWoof's idea if I use a tiling wm: have a special stroke that goes upper left (or center, just somehwere known), that I can use when I forget where I am. |
| 05:20.52 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: ? i thought you meant ^w to delete word |
| 05:21.02 | bubchi89 | oh i didn't read your full line |
| 05:21.18 | nmschulte | ah |
| 05:21.50 | bubchi89 | hm interesting, i hadn't heard of 't' before |
| 05:22.16 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: I use it all the time. super-left for the left window. super-left-right for the top/right window. super-left-right-right for the 2nd window down on the right |
| 05:22.20 | bubchi89 | i used 'f' |
| 05:22.21 | nmschulte | ^t goes upper left I think; it's like JasonWoof's "go home" shortcut |
| 05:22.38 | bubchi89 | i didn't know 'f' took a count |
| 05:22.45 | bubchi89 | wait i totally knew 't', i only use it for ct/dt though |
| 05:22.47 | bubchi89 | lol |
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| 05:23.07 | bubchi89 | dt/df ct/cf da/di are great |
| 05:23.27 | bubchi89 | oh i thought you meant 't' == "till" lol |
| 05:23.28 | nmschulte | bubchi89: I meant ^w+t |
| 05:24.19 | nmschulte | ^w+hjkl and ^w+t manipulate window focus in vim, and ^w+HJKL manipulate window placement in vim |
| 05:24.21 | JasonWoof | I don't use fancy commands for deleting in vim. just x, dd then visual mode |
| 05:24.38 | bubchi89 | you should use di and da. those are huge |
| 05:24.43 | nmschulte | well, it's really d<movement>, and once you know the <movement>s, you're all set |
| 05:24.56 | rryoumaa | switching windows typically means switching from or to a window where i use only the mouse. so a keyboard-only wm offers no advantage that overrides both or mouse wm |
| 05:25.07 | phy1729 | wait are y'all talking about vim? |
| 05:25.16 | bubchi89 | rryoumaa: install vimperator/pentadactyl, problem solved? :) |
| 05:25.18 | nmschulte | nah, we're done now |
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| 05:25.39 | phy1729 | oh I was going suggest moving to #vim it's right over <<< there |
| 05:25.40 | JasonWoof | lol |
| 05:26.08 | rryoumaa | typically, i run gui browser, gui torrent, and emacs. i could run conkeror or whatever it's called (kinda like vimperator maybe) but i don't want everythign to be mouse. |
| 05:26.09 | bubchi89 | i've been there. they are scary and write vimL |
| 05:26.10 | rryoumaa | i mean kb |
| 05:26.17 | rryoumaa | all full screen |
| 05:26.19 | nmschulte | phy1729: now we're discussing emacs... |
| 05:26.28 | phy1729 | bubchi89: I promise not to be scary :) |
| 05:26.34 | bubchi89 | lol |
| 05:26.53 | bubchi89 | i'm just joking. it was very intimidating though because there were only like 20 people there and they clearly were doing crazy things in vim |
| 05:26.58 | nmschulte | Is anyone running GNOME 3? What does your 'Switch applications' keyboard shortcut do? |
| 05:27.42 | bubchi89 | rryoumaa: i really appreciate the cli that pentadactyl offers in a browser because i don't need to switch to 'gui' mode when i use a browser now. that's just me though. i do still browse leaned back in my chair with a mouse often |
| 05:27.48 | nmschulte | On mine, it only allows me to switch "once" (until I depress alt and do it again), which brings me back to the last focused app, which means I can only switch two apps. |
| 05:27.56 | bubchi89 | gui mode being a mental thing |
| 05:28.24 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: that sounds like a bug? you can't tap tab? |
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| 05:29.19 | JasonWoof | I use a tampermonkey script so I can follow links in chromium with the keyboard easily: https://gitorious.org/jasonwoof/userscripts/source/ed41a1794bddae541f6a8c0424f07c825e79d863:numbered_links.user.js#bypass=true |
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| 05:29.51 | JasonWoof | not sure if that version works |
| 05:29.56 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: yep that's what vimperator/pentadactyl/chromium all do (and conkerer?) |
| 05:29.59 | JasonWoof | and it binds ctrl-C which is stupid |
| 05:30.08 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: cool |
| 05:30.29 | JasonWoof | I like having my own because I tweak it occasionally |
| 05:31.03 | bubchi89 | but it's more than that imo. it's "sweet. now i have bookmarks and can use them from a cli" "oh now i can use those clever 'w [wikipedia article name]' and 'd [word i don't know]' shortcuts in a unified interface instead of dumping them in... the address bar?" |
| 05:31.22 | JasonWoof | semi-recently I bound ESC to blur the focused input element, which basically puts me in "normal" mode |
| 05:31.32 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: yeah it's nice having simplicity. right now there's some issue where i can't get pentadactyl to _actually ignore a keystroke_ which breaks one site at least |
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| 05:31.59 | bubchi89 | but i don't know how i'd fix it. i'd need to learn their codebase |
| 05:32.04 | bubchi89 | which is feasible, i'm just terrible |
| 05:32.07 | nmschulte | bubchi89: correct |
| 05:32.11 | JasonWoof | heh |
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| 05:32.25 | JasonWoof | yeah, I ignore key presses (except for esc) when there's an active input element |
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| 05:33.04 | JasonWoof | I'm somewhat limited in what I can do from tampermonkey, but the numbered links thing works on the vast majority of sites |
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| 05:33.11 | bubchi89 | how do you type into an input DOM element if you ignore all keys? |
| 05:33.13 | JasonWoof | some sites manage to steal my key presses |
| 05:33.35 | bubchi89 | yep, struggle of functioning on the javascript level instead of something more low level :P |
| 05:33.38 | nmschulte | bubchi89: erm... that was in reply to your comment about tab tab being a bug... |
| 05:33.55 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: I mean my numbered links plugin doesn't steal keypress events if there's a keyboard focus on an input element (it lets them bubble to the input element) |
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| 05:34.16 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: oh hehe |
| 05:34.34 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: oh right. man i'm getting tired |
| 05:34.38 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: and I added a binding that when I pres ESC, it unfocuses the active (keyboard focused) element |
| 05:35.03 | JasonWoof | habituation is important |
| 05:35.15 | JasonWoof | I wish more interface designers spent more time thinking about that |
| 05:35.16 | bubchi89 | yep that's cool |
| 05:35.22 | bubchi89 | ? not sure what you mean |
| 05:35.50 | JasonWoof | for little (very quick) things you do a billion times, it's sometimes more important whether you need to give it your attention, than how few keystrokes it is |
| 05:36.17 | JasonWoof | eg it's faster for me to hit super-left-right to get to the top/right window than it is for me to see which window has focus, and press super-right or whatever |
| 05:36.42 | JasonWoof | and it's much worse for my concentration/focus to have to go check what state my WM is in |
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| 05:36.54 | bubchi89 | sounds like the real optimal solution is to add #ing to each wnidow |
| 05:37.03 | JasonWoof | they say if you try to hold more than 7-ish things in your attention at once, one of them falls out |
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| 05:37.09 | bubchi89 | then you can do something like 'alt+w #' and it will jump to that window |
| 05:37.39 | bubchi89 | pentadactyl has tab #ing. i actually swap between tabs _a lot_ with 'b#' for the #th tab |
| 05:37.42 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: I don't think it matters so much what keystrokes it is, as long as it's consistent, you'll habituate to it, and you can stop paying attention to the state of your computer and focus on your work |
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| 05:38.16 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: i understand. i just disagree a bit with the system you have in place. because it seems like there's gotta be something more direct than memorizing 'press this to jump all the way to the left. then go clockwise' |
| 05:38.27 | bubchi89 | my internet keeps dropping, not sure if that went through |
| 05:38.35 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: does pentadactyl re-number all the tabs when you get more than 10 (so they are all two digits) or is there some other scheme to make it so it's easy to get to the 1-digit tabs? |
| 05:38.47 | bubchi89 | nah it's multi digit at that point. but i _really_ try to avoid it |
| 05:38.54 | bubchi89 | because then you have too many tabs :) |
| 05:39.03 | bubchi89 | i just create a separate window, and put tabs there |
| 05:39.04 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: your brain learns the pattern, you don't have to work at it. |
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| 05:39.24 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: you just do it, and after a while you don't think about it anymore. It's like driving. At first you have to pay attention to everything |
| 05:39.36 | JasonWoof | and after some years, you can accidentally drive home when you meant to go elsewhere |
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| 05:39.43 | bubchi89 | that's funny because i hate driving. mostly because i never got used to it. :P |
| 05:39.53 | bubchi89 | and probably never will. i just walk everywhere. it's great |
| 05:40.01 | JasonWoof | walking is nice |
| 05:40.05 | JasonWoof | I bike mostly |
| 05:40.09 | nmschulte | So, my laptop has this "\ and |" key to the right of the spacebar, as well as in its regular place between backspace and enter. |
| 05:40.18 | nmschulte | But, when I press it, I get < and >. |
| 05:40.21 | bubchi89 | haha i was being sarcastic mostly. it's dumb that i can't like... buy lots of groceries. becuse how am i going to carry them home? :P |
| 05:40.32 | JasonWoof | but I just moved closer to town, so walking is now more practical. We should be getting more warmer (nice) weather any day now |
| 05:40.36 | nmschulte | As well, when I'm in Grub, my left CTRL key doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? |
| 05:40.51 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: uh what haha. use xev to figure out what keycodes are sent for those keys? |
| 05:41.00 | nmschulte | I did, it's sending < and > |
| 05:41.00 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: nice |
| 05:41.13 | nmschulte | What's below xev? |
| 05:41.17 | bubchi89 | are < and > keysyms? |
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| 05:41.28 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: a few years ago we signed up for Boston Organics which dropped off a box of veggies (and fruit I think) on our porch every week. Was awesome to not have to carry them. |
| 05:41.53 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: lately, I shop more frequently, and just stuff what room is left in my little backpack whenever I'm passing by the store |
| 05:41.53 | nmschulte | Well, it's not that, but it's whatever keysym that pressing the normal < and > send. |
| 05:41.59 | JasonWoof | well, some of the times I'm passing it |
| 05:42.04 | bubchi89 | amazon does the food service. i should probably consider it more seriously |
| 05:42.05 | nmschulte | It sends the same keysym, as far as xev could tell. |
| 05:42.13 | bubchi89 | but i just joined a company that provides free lunch/dinner. so i'm gonna do that instead :P |
| 05:42.39 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: nice! |
| 05:42.45 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: i think xev is a very simple app on top of like... the keybaord driver for your kernel |
| 05:42.49 | JasonWoof | I've got a little shelf+bag on my bike too, that helps |
| 05:42.56 | bubchi89 | i can't imagine the kernel is transforming those keypresses at all |
| 05:43.09 | JasonWoof | xev is an x11 program |
| 05:43.17 | nmschulte | Yeah, right? xev is pretty low level. I wonder how I am going to configure this... |
| 05:43.39 | JasonWoof | I think xev just uses xlib and printf |
| 05:43.45 | bubchi89 | man i don't understand X at all. why are key presses going through the X server? |
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| 05:44.05 | nmschulte | That's how they're fed to the x clients. |
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| 05:44.12 | nmschulte | They don't have to, they go else where also. |
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| 05:44.57 | JasonWoof | xorg grabs the keyboard when you switch to it's VT |
| 05:45.14 | JasonWoof | then it can do nice stuff like let you set the key repeat rate/delay |
| 05:45.18 | bubchi89 | oh right |
| 05:46.04 | JasonWoof | I've got several calls to xset and xmodmap in a script that runs automatically after I startx |
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| 05:47.10 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: how do things like curses work in xterms then? |
| 05:47.29 | nmschulte | does curses connect to x somehow? |
| 05:47.39 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: x grabs the key event, sends it to xterm, which sends it to your curses program |
| 05:47.47 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: no |
| 05:47.51 | nmschulte | via what mechanism>?' |
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| 05:48.37 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: curses reads stdin just like any other terminal program |
| 05:48.52 | JasonWoof | and there's some fnctls on /dev/ttyx or something |
| 05:49.00 | nmschulte | I see. I thought there was a way to hook it at a lower level. |
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| 05:49.30 | JasonWoof | I think the fnctls or whatever they're called let you find out the dimensions of the terminal and such |
| 05:49.40 | JasonWoof | and I think they work fine in the linux console too |
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| 05:51.17 | nmschulte | http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/8265/8265_03.jpg -- bubchi89, see to the immediate right of the spacebar? |
| 05:51.39 | nmschulte | I think this is the goofiest layout I've used; super key is ultra hard to hit. |
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| 05:51.52 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: that sucks. do you hit that key by accident? |
| 05:52.15 | JasonWoof | I've got 3 modifier/etc keys to the right of my space bar that I never use |
| 05:52.18 | JasonWoof | never bothered me |
| 05:52.23 | JasonWoof | not even sure which ones they are |
| 05:52.30 | JasonWoof | probably alt, menu and super |
| 05:52.36 | JasonWoof | I know one of them is super, but I forget which |
| 05:52.38 | nmschulte | Well, I don't, but it's really close to my right thumb. But, I don't use that for space anyway I see now, so I suppose it's okay. |
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| 05:53.30 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: the wear spot on my space bar doesn't extend past the middle of my M key |
| 05:53.59 | nmschulte | That's right where the spacebar stops and the other key starts for me |
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| 05:54.36 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: yeah, I see. very odd, but when I type I don't think I'd hit the part to the right of the M |
| 05:54.46 | JasonWoof | or... I mean the part that should be to the right of the M key |
| 05:54.55 | nmschulte | If I can find out how, I can map it to space if I want. |
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| 05:55.17 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: at least your backspace key is in the right place. I can't stand keyboards that put \| where the left half of backspace should be |
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| 05:55.26 | nmschulte | agreed! |
| 05:55.33 | nmschulte | look at the right shift key though... |
| 05:55.54 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: You should be able to remap it with xmodmap -e "keycode xx = yy" |
| 05:55.58 | nmschulte | I've had the laptop since monday, and I've gotten used to the shorter shift already, but it was annoying (and still is sometimes). |
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| 05:56.16 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: it emits the same keycodes as the < and > keys... so those would be remapped as well |
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| 05:57.15 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: run xev and check. they keycode is supposed to be for the key, not for the character it produces |
| 05:57.32 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: one sec trying to help someone |
| 05:57.42 | bubchi89 | that layout is weird though |
| 05:57.49 | bubchi89 | although i saw an iso layout and that was also trippy |
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| 05:58.27 | JasonWoof | yeah, I've got two keys that both produce Super_L, and xev shows different keycodes for them |
| 05:59.20 | nmschulte | bubchi89: Oh yes! I see it now, thank you both! |
| 05:59.39 | nmschulte | they are different keycodes, but the textual identifier is the same. |
| 06:00.03 | nmschulte | oh, that's just the name of the keysym, the keycode is unique |
| 06:00.16 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: good, that means you can re-bind it with xmodmap as in my example above |
| 06:00.31 | bubchi89 | nmschulte: yep that's why i mentioned that. guess i wasn't clear |
| 06:03.37 | JasonWoof | nmschulte: so in this example: xmodmap -e "keycode xx = yy" xx is the keycode from xev, and yy is the keysym you want it to be bound to. The keysym names are in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h just remove the "XK_" prefix |
| 06:03.55 | nmschulte | bubchi89: No, you were, I was just confident I read it properly. |
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| 06:07.06 | Psy-Q | i've installed the latest iceweasel the way mozilla.debian.net recommends (by adding unstable and experimental), but i recently did an apt-get dist-upgrade simply out of routine and now it upgraded my system to unstable (i think?). is there any way i can get back to testing without a reinstall? |
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| 06:08.54 | somiaj | Psy-Q: yes sounds like you missread your system, as that was a good way to brek a stable system was add unstable repos. (: |
| 06:09.35 | somiaj | Psy-Q: note testing gets packages filtered in from sid, so if you just remove the sid and experimental sources and wait, over time the versions you have will eventally get replaced with newer versions as the packages work their way though sid into testing |
| 06:09.45 | somiaj | Psy-Q: you may have some undesired bugs to fix during this transition, but it should work |
| 06:09.49 | Psy-Q | somiaj: ah, great! that'd be good enough |
| 06:10.07 | somiaj | Psy-Q: this process of waiting could take a month or more |
| 06:10.17 | iqualfragile | if you replace "testing" by "jessie" and wait even longer you will end up with a stable |
| 06:10.26 | Psy-Q | thanks :) so if i want to stay on the safe side, can i keep experimental and sid enabled, iceweasel installed from -t experimental and just not do any dist-upgrades when there are many held back packages? |
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| 06:10.54 | Psy-Q | i only did the dist-upgrades because i saw a ton of held back packages and my usual reflex (from using testing) is to do a dist-upgrade when there's too many piling up |
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| 06:12.27 | Psy-Q | what's funny is that i barely had any problems even with unstable :) |
| 06:12.38 | somiaj | Psy-Q: yea you should be fine, provided you can deal with any bugs along the way. If you are wanting newer package than are in testing as in you dno't want to wait for things to filter in though sid and you like the idea of experimential packge, you may find running sid more to your liking |
| 06:13.25 | Psy-Q | somiaj: hmm, that's also an idea... a workmate is on sid on his laptop and it seems to work for him |
| 06:13.27 | somiaj | Psy-Q: I have ran unstable for 10+ years, things break, you will find bugs during upgrades. apt-listbugs can help you avoid some. |
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| 06:14.13 | somiaj | Psy-Q: testing and unstable each have those problems. Testing has sid as a buffer zone so most major bugs get caught (but then due to how mass packages like gnome/kde/etc jump into testing all at once at times testing gets it's own unique bugs) |
| 06:14.29 | Psy-Q | ooh, i didn't know apt-listbugs. it looks sexy |
| 06:15.00 | somiaj | Psy-Q: sid gets far faster fixes, while testing fixes take a while as they ahve to filter in though sid. So I kind see it as a wash in what sort of buggyness you ahve to deal with. So I say pick the one y ou like better |
| 06:15.23 | somiaj | Psy-Q: but unless you plan to stabalize with jessie and want to keep running bleeding edge debian you may find sid to your liking. |
| 06:16.12 | somiaj | Psy-Q: one other word of advise I use on sid. I run apt-get upgrade first, then run apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 06:16.35 | somiaj | Psy-Q: that way it is a smaller set of packages being ungraded when you allow apt to start adding/removing packages and can make narrowing down bugs easier. |
| 06:16.53 | Psy-Q | okay! thanks a lot for the hints |
| 06:17.41 | Psy-Q | i may switch to sid, my laptop has a weird optimus/nvidia graphics card and it seems newish kernels and especially the latest versions of bumblebee/optimus handle it better than what's in testing or stable |
| 06:18.04 | Psy-Q | i've been running testing to have something like a rolling distribution, but it seems sid could be closer to what i want :) |
| 06:19.26 | nmschulte | sid is basically a rolling debian, for sure. |
| 06:20.02 | rryoumaa | which is more secure in practice? |
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| 06:20.12 | nmschulte | I run sid on my personal gear, and sometimes I run testing on in-house servers, otherwise I try to stick to stable. |
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| 06:20.20 | nmschulte | well, stable with backports. |
| 06:20.30 | nmschulte | rryoumaa: secure? testing |
| 06:20.35 | nmschulte | It receives security updates. |
| 06:20.46 | rryoumaa | i thought they stopped those |
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| 06:20.54 | nmschulte | Oh, perhaps. |
| 06:21.02 | nmschulte | I've been on sid for a while now. |
| 06:21.18 | rryoumaa | maybe they started them again |
| 06:21.20 | somiaj | rryoumaa: debian stable is the most secure. The other two are not releases but mearly places for new software to be put. sid is the first place software goes in debian (except in rare cases), and it filters into testing after so long with no grave bugs |
| 06:21.29 | Kazlock | My fresh install of debian has no gui, is it because I didn't have a network mirror? When I try to apt-install gnome it says there is no package by that name |
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| 06:21.40 | Kazlock | apt-get install* |
| 06:21.45 | somiaj | nmschulte: actually sid would have faster security updates becase they ahve to go though sid first. It is rare a security udpate is applyed directly to testing. |
| 06:22.04 | somiaj | !tell Kazlock about souces.list |
| 06:22.26 | wols_ | !tell kazlock about wheezy sources.list |
| 06:22.27 | rryoumaa | Kazlock: was it netinst? |
| 06:22.35 | nmschulte | somiaj: In that regard, certainly; but there are less likely to be security vulnerabilities in testing than sid, and I think that's the difference. |
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| 06:22.40 | wols_ | !tell kazlock about install gnome |
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| 06:22.54 | wols_ | nmschulte: why would that be? |
| 06:23.07 | nmschulte | s/less likely/less likely to be known/ |
| 06:23.15 | wols_ | there are probably more bugs in sid due to less testing, but vulnerabilities are different |
| 06:23.22 | nmschulte | we can't worry about what no-one knows about... |
| 06:23.28 | nmschulte | (for the sake of this argument, that is) |
| 06:24.02 | somiaj | nmschulte: I think you are meaning bugs. When a security vul is found it usually effects even stable. The fix is applyed to stable and usually a new version is uploaded to sid with the fix. Testing has to wait for the fix |
| 06:24.06 | rryoumaa | sounds like there is no strong consensus on which is more secure in practice between testing and unstable |
| 06:24.07 | nmschulte | zero-days affect both sid and testing, and if testing receives security updates, it will get it rather shortly after sid |
| 06:24.08 | Kazlock | what is !tell? and thanks I think sources.list should be where my problem is |
| 06:24.22 | somiaj | Kazlock: you should have gotten a message from a bot telling you some info I wanted you to know |
| 06:24.27 | nmschulte | somiaj: sid receives new, untested code very often |
| 06:24.31 | Kazlock | oh I see, thanks |
| 06:24.39 | somiaj | !tell Kazlock about sources.list |
| 06:24.42 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: how exactly are you supposed to find the write keysym in that header lol |
| 06:24.46 | bubchi89 | there's 2.5k +? |
| 06:25.21 | Psy-Q | whoa, unstable seems to pull in systemd? that'll be an adventure |
| 06:25.28 | nmschulte | testing doesn't receive code changes like that, so it's therefore less likely to have security vulnerabilities (Because it doesn't have a chance of receiving new ones as often as sid). |
| 06:25.34 | somiaj | nmschulte: correct that is the trade off. But bugs and security holes in testing are not fixed in a timely manner. |
| 06:25.51 | nmschulte | right right, go for stable. |
| 06:25.55 | somiaj | Psy-Q: that is gonna be the new default, though I think you can still choose to run sysvinit if you choose. |
| 06:26.27 | nmschulte | my systemd keeps complaining that I'm not running nss-myhostname... I don't understand! |
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| 06:26.56 | JasonWoof | bubchi89: you guess the name and do a search.... ie /XK_Space |
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| 06:27.16 | Psy-Q | somiaj: oh, but does that mean the existing sysv-based init scripts will continue to work under systemd? i'm sure not all package maintainers have upgraded theirs to systemd yet? |
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| 06:27.56 | somiaj | Psy-Q: I belive the plan is to have systemd be the default but still support sysvinit and have scripts that work for either. |
| 06:27.57 | nmschulte | I haven't run into any real systemd issues so far (that I'm aware of... maybe I have!). |
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| 06:28.14 | Psy-Q | somiaj: cool :D |
| 06:28.16 | somiaj | Psy-Q: but I think there is still a few things to settle with this before the next release. |
| 06:28.32 | Psy-Q | wow, amazing. there's really systemd on this thing now |
| 06:28.43 | somiaj | Psy-Q: I'm unsure if they will need seperate scripts or the script can detect what is needed. |
| 06:28.46 | Psy-Q | the decision is barely a few weeks old! |
| 06:29.05 | somiaj | Psy-Q: systemd has been in debian for a while since wheezy, though they called it a tech preview then |
| 06:29.11 | Psy-Q | aaah, okay |
| 06:29.28 | Psy-Q | that would've been one efficient hackathon if they'd done all this in just these few weeks |
| 06:29.32 | bubchi89 | JasonWoof: fair enough :P |
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| 06:33.48 | Psy-Q | i'll reboot just to see how systemd fares :) |
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| 06:36.59 | Psy-Q | nice! |
| 06:37.16 | Psy-Q | the only issue was that it tried to automount some sshfs filesystems during boot. i put noauto there and now everything works |
| 06:38.12 | Psy-Q | and booting takes about 5 seconds |
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| 06:43.15 | JasonWoof | Psy-Q: cool :) |
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| 07:13.45 | netmask | Hi guys , how to delet a route rule that has flag UG ? or its getway is * |
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| 08:00.09 | voxadam | I'm looking for a way to keep apprised of newly updated packages on a sid machine of mine. I know that cron-apt exists but if I remember correctly it automatically updates, I simply want an 'apt-get update' done and then have a list of installed packages that have upgrade canidates emailed to me. Does such a thing exist? |
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| 08:04.35 | babilen | voxadam: Cron apt default to simply updating and downloading of candidates - but you could write your own cron job that essentially performs an update and then mails you the output of "aptitude search ~U" |
| 08:04.46 | babilen | s/Cron/cron-apt/ |
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| 08:05.07 | CygniX | apart from line 40, is there any other change that is require for this iptables to be compatible with ip6tables http://paste.debian.net/hidden/70907a40/ |
| 08:05.27 | babilen | CygniX: ##netfilter |
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| 08:06.16 | CygniX | babilen: there are like 3 people there |
| 08:06.42 | babilen | CygniX: Oh, it's #netfilter, sorry |
| 08:07.15 | CygniX | i figured there was an extra #, thanks |
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| 08:08.36 | babilen | CygniX: ## denote non-official (as in not run by the project that is being supported) channels. I simply had it confused with ##networking which is another place you might want to take it to. I don't quite see much in you paste, but can't make a definite statement. |
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| 08:10.05 | CygniX | babilen: am not sure about line 40, if it's supposed to be ipv6-icmp |
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| 08:17.42 | PadawanLearner | Good morning campers! |
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| 08:19.38 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 08:20.40 | rindolf | https://www.facebook.com/groups/linux.il/permalink/614513761968550/ - here someone asks in Hebrew about wine on x86-64 Debian requiring various .so files from i386-linux-gnu (32-bit). Is there any way to install them on Debian x86-64? |
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| 08:25.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell rindolf -about multiarch |
| 08:27.21 | babilen | judd: depends wine |
| 08:27.22 | judd | Package wine in wheezy/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, wine-bin (>= 1.4.1-4) | wine64-bin (>= 1.4.1-4). |
| 08:27.50 | babilen | judd: depends wine --arch amd64 |
| 08:27.51 | judd | Package wine in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: wine-bin (>= 1.4.1-4) | wine64-bin (>= 1.4.1-4). |
| 08:31.38 | rindolf | babilen: thanks. |
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| 08:50.04 | Shuriken_deb | buenos dias |
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| 09:07.50 | nkuttler | hrm, so i'm getting "Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 500 Invalid header" which is kinda odd as it's a 404. and why would apt not look for Packages.gz/bz2 which are both there? |
| 09:08.40 | Linuxator | how to change a user's ID? |
| 09:09.13 | CygniX | Linuxator: do you mean create a new id? |
| 09:09.24 | CygniX | or rename an existing id? |
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| 09:10.18 | Linuxator | CygniX: rename existing one |
| 09:10.32 | CygniX | see man usermod |
| 09:11.10 | nkuttler | oh, now a new error... 502 connection closed.. |
| 09:11.11 | CygniX | but the simple command is something like 'usermod -l newuser olduser' |
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| 09:12.15 | CygniX | Linuxator: you will have to change the user home directory too |
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| 09:18.08 | nkuttler | seems like an apt-cacher-ng bug.. |
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| 09:30.26 | babinlonston | Hi all , Now i have a VPS, and i need to access that VPS using a pem file , what are the steps i need to do ? if some one need to login to my vps they need to use my pem file, how can i create it and configure |
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| 09:32.45 | CygniX | babinlonston: do you mean ssh? |
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| 09:33.11 | babinlonston | CygniX: yes for ssh |
| 09:34.12 | CygniX | if you are talking about certificate, can't help you there, but an help with you putting your public key in the remote system so you wont need to use a password |
| 09:34.49 | babinlonston | CygniX: yes you wright but i need to use it as pem file |
| 09:35.28 | nkuttler | babinlonston: who told you you need to use a pem file? |
| 09:36.14 | babinlonston | I have used it before , like ssh -i my_server.pem and something , forgot it |
| 09:36.25 | nkuttler | babinlonston: so just do that |
| 09:36.52 | babinlonston | Don't know how to , so what asking here |
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| 09:37.35 | nkuttler | babinlonston: why don't you try the command you just pasted? |
| 09:37.49 | tremon | methinks the .pem is a red herring. ssh doesn't do client certificates, at least not with -i |
| 09:38.04 | tremon | just generate an identity file with ssh-keygen, then use ssh-copy-id |
| 09:38.11 | CygniX | babinlonston: from your personal computer, you can run for example 'ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096' |
| 09:38.37 | babinlonston | CygniX: tnx u , but i know this |
| 09:38.53 | CygniX | now, if you want it to be a pem file, add -t file.pem |
| 09:39.01 | babinlonston | I'm looking smiliar to this http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/AccessingInstancesLinux.html |
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| 09:39.31 | CygniX | babinlonston: it does not have to be a pem file |
| 09:40.00 | babinlonston | ok |
| 09:40.04 | CygniX | the naming is irrelevant |
| 09:40.26 | tremon | CygniX: read man ssh-keygen, section CERTIFICATES |
| 09:40.58 | SynrG | and you said "if some one need to login to my vps they need to use my pem file". you should not have multiple people logging in with the same identity. |
| 09:41.20 | SynrG | each identity should be only held by the person who uses it. |
| 09:41.20 | CygniX | tremon: me or babinlonston? |
| 09:41.37 | tremon | oops. babinlonston I meant |
| 09:41.48 | babinlonston | SynrG yes , but i used it before , while client used too |
| 09:42.30 | SynrG | babinlonston: but then you and your client should each have your own identity (see ssh-keygen) and the account or accounts they need to login to on the VPS should authorize both identities |
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| 09:43.28 | babinlonston | ok let me have a look into man |
| 09:43.31 | SynrG | and as tremon said, see also ssh-copy-id |
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| 10:07.11 | Cazzano | hey, I have a general question on debian for older people with no experience with computers and stuff. |
| 10:08.06 | Cazzano | would it be possible to trap them within their user environment so they dont pretty much feel like windows xp? |
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| 10:10.54 | nkuttler | Cazzano: what? |
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| 10:11.17 | Cazzano | nkuttler hm? |
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| 10:12.08 | nkuttler | Cazzano: can you reprase your question? not at all sure what it is |
| 10:12.12 | wols_ | Cazzano: not totally. it is still different |
| 10:12.31 | wols_ | nkuttler: he wants to use debian as a XP replacement where nothing changes from XP if at all possible |
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| 10:13.04 | nkuttler | wols_: that doesn't seem to make much sense. they don't feel like windows xp, but they have no experience, so they don't know xp.. huh? |
| 10:13.07 | Cazzano | my parents can barely handle windows xp but they want another OS running (security reasons). So I want to give them an user acc with a simple environment. I think they would get confused with all the posibilities of debian. |
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| 10:14.12 | nkuttler | Cazzano: what do they use their computer for? |
| 10:14.20 | Cazzano | On xp they have a browser, a mail program and a text program. and they put everything in a small folder and that's it. |
| 10:14.43 | wols_ | Cazzano: it very much depends what programs they've used so far. e.g. there is no internet explorer, no MS office, no special program that came with their digicam |
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| 10:14.50 | wols_ | the OS itself isn't that much of a big deal |
| 10:14.52 | Cazzano | nkuttler mostly onlinebanking, a bit shopping or writing/printing a text and that's it. |
| 10:15.16 | wols_ | onlinebanking can be tricky if they use a card reader with display (as they should) |
| 10:15.21 | Cazzano | they dont even own a digicam... :D |
| 10:15.21 | wols_ | printer might be different too |
| 10:15.36 | nkuttler | Cazzano: well, you can customize any desktop environment |
| 10:15.45 | Cazzano | what should change when they have a card reader? |
| 10:15.47 | nkuttler | sounds like you just want a theme |
| 10:16.08 | nkuttler | Cazzano: do they have one? |
| 10:16.27 | Cazzano | I mean..of course they have a scanning tool which they could put at the screen and the thing scans all etc..but since they are still using a crt monitor the scanner wont work. |
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| 10:18.32 | wols_ | Cazzano: the program for the reader. maybe there is no driver for it, etc. |
| 10:18.39 | Cazzano2 | they just own a printer-scanner-combination which they hardly use at all |
| 10:18.52 | Cazzano2 | they have no reader |
| 10:18.55 | wols_ | that's anotehr thing. many of thoes all in one crap doesn't work well either |
| 10:19.24 | wols_ | if the yhave no reader, they probably don't care about their banking and their money. the reader (with a display) is a must for secure online banking |
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| 10:19.36 | Cazzano2 | really? I thought the era of missing printer and wifi support on linux is gone? |
| 10:20.03 | wols_ | printer is no problem. the printer+scanner however is. that is proprietary crap |
| 10:20.13 | Cazzano2 | wols_ that's a scanning reader. totally independent from the computer itself |
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| 10:20.38 | wols_ | ah so a scanner and a printer. 2 devices not all in one |
| 10:20.52 | Cazzano2 | I think we both missunderstood :D |
| 10:21.05 | Cazzano2 | they have a all in one device for scanning and printing |
| 10:21.21 | wols_ | and that is the crap part. the all in one often have problems. mainly with scanning |
| 10:21.28 | Cazzano2 | and they also have a small scanning tool for onlinebanking. but that works indepentend |
| 10:21.35 | wols_ | scanning tool? |
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| 10:22.48 | Cazzano2 | yes. You get like a bar code and put the camera of the tool at your screen and then the tools displays the tan you have to enter |
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| 10:23.27 | nkuttler | Cazzano2: that should work the same with debian |
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| 10:23.47 | Cazzano2 | jup. pretty sure |
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| 10:24.51 | Cazzano2 | I'm more concerned about the desktop environment. I guess I kind of need a modified lxde in which most of the programs and options, rightclick stuff and so on is missing |
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| 10:25.07 | Sbroker` | hi from Spain |
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| 10:26.43 | Cazzano2 | And I have no idea about maintenance :/ |
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| 10:27.11 | nkuttler | Cazzano2: if you install the debian you will be their support person |
| 10:27.22 | nkuttler | them |
| 10:27.47 | Cazzano2 | I'm already there windows support person... -.- |
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| 10:28.06 | nkuttler | ugh.. |
| 10:28.13 | Cazzano2 | their* |
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| 10:29.46 | Lucky_Red | > Purchase Windows license |
| 10:29.51 | Lucky_Red | > Never use MS support |
| 10:29.58 | Lucky_Red | Good customers. |
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| 10:34.31 | Utente | hi guys I just got a new t440s and it has a regular 256gb ssd and a separate m2 16gb ssd. I would like to install debian on the m2 and use the regular ssd as /home. Do you think it is a good idea? Or it is better to use only the intel 840 for everything? I just want to understand what to do with the 16gb m2 disk :) |
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| 10:35.28 | johnny_|_ | Hi. I entered wrong shell as root and now I cannot switch user to root :). What is the easiest way to correct that? When su (with and w/o combination of flags) I get "Cannot execute /usr/local/bin/zsh". Because of course zsh is not there. |
| 10:35.38 | wols_ | check how fast the m2 disk is. usually the smaller a SSD is, the slower they are |
| 10:36.00 | Utente | wols_, yes I'm trying to figure it out |
| 10:36.09 | wols_ | johnny_|_: sudo bash? su bash? |
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| 10:36.36 | johnny_|_ | oh and my user is not in sodoers :( |
| 10:36.43 | wols_ | use su |
| 10:36.49 | johnny_|_ | well i did |
| 10:36.53 | wols_ | sorry, su -c bash |
| 10:37.19 | wols_ | if that doesn't work: boot a livecd and change it in your /etc/passewd |
| 10:37.29 | Utente | on the lenovo user guide it is suggested to use it only as cache |
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| 10:37.42 | johnny_|_ | wols_: su -c bash gives same error, I tried that but thanks for help. |
| 10:37.52 | wols_ | Utente: that's what it was put in for of course. but you replaced the HDD with your evo |
| 10:38.10 | Utente | wols_, no I already had it inside |
| 10:38.12 | johnny_|_ | well yes, I guess there is no other way than manualy edit shell |
| 10:38.34 | Utente | wols_, anyway what do you suggest to use that disk for? swap? I already have 8gb or ram... |
| 10:38.52 | nkuttler | johnny_|_: su -s |
| 10:39.32 | Utente | wols_, just because I don't want to waste 16 gigs :) |
| 10:39.36 | johnny_|_ | nkuttler: no go, already tried that but thank you |
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| 10:39.58 | nkuttler | johnny_|_: which command did you type, and which error did you get? |
| 10:40.22 | johnny_|_ | nkuttler "su -s bash" gives Cannot execute /usr/local/bin/zsh: No such file or directory |
| 10:40.51 | nkuttler | johnny_|_: use an absolute path |
| 10:41.04 | johnny_|_ | because I blindly typed: chsh -s /usr/local/bin/zsh |
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| 10:41.29 | johnny_|_ | nkuttler: no, same error |
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| 10:42.11 | johnny_|_ | I tried to trick him by putting symlink in /usr/local/bin/zsh but I don't have permission :) oh joy |
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| 10:43.59 | wols_ | Utente: you will probably notice no difference to the 840 evo when you put / on it |
| 10:44.35 | Utente | ok so I'll do everything on the evo :) |
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| 10:49.24 | jelly-home | johnny_|_: eh, boot a livecd, mount and fix things |
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| 10:53.13 | johnny_|_ | jelly-home: easier way: grub 'e' init=/bin/bash ctrl+x remount, edit reset and voila |
| 10:54.21 | jelly-home | sure |
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| 10:57.37 | tumi_ | Why doesnt opengl work on debian? I have ATI Proprietary drivers installed and HD 6950 |
| 10:57.52 | tumi_ | need i install some packages to get it working? |
| 11:00.10 | wols_ | tumi_: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:00.33 | tumi_ | okay |
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| 11:02.00 | is3nov | Anyone know where I can find the org.apache.mina Java package? |
| 11:02.20 | tumi_ | wols_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7207195/ |
| 11:02.22 | is3nov | I've installed libmina-java but that doesnt seem to provide it |
| 11:02.23 | tumi_ | here it is |
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| 11:03.03 | tumi_ | I tried to install PSX emulator, it works great if I am fullscreen, but not in windowed mode, same applies to other emulators |
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| 11:03.35 | tumi_ | but if I set it to use xvideo it works |
| 11:03.41 | tumi_ | so the problem must be in opengl |
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| 11:03.50 | wols_ | tumi_: looks alright to me. |
| 11:03.59 | tumi_ | hmmh |
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| 11:04.18 | tumi_ | is there anyway i could test if opengl works |
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| 11:04.21 | tumi_ | any command or program? |
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| 11:05.40 | amigamagic | hi, I'm trying debian 7 stable on a vmware machine |
| 11:05.59 | amigamagic | 3d acceleration didn't worked and I could not have gnome 3 |
| 11:06.18 | amigamagic | but I solved with this: http://slackadmin.blogspot.it/2013/09/how-to-have-debian-71-working-with-3d.html |
| 11:07.13 | amigamagic | the problem is: now the update manager will always ask me to install an updated vga driver that, actually, is the older one that doesn't work with 3d acceleration... |
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| 11:09.56 | amigamagic | maybe installing debian 7 stable on a vmware machine was not the right thing to do... What do you think? |
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| 11:12.27 | rindolf | amigamagic: hi. |
| 11:12.42 | amigamagic | rindolf, hi |
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| 11:12.56 | rindolf | amigamagic: did you install 7.3? |
| 11:13.22 | amigamagic | no, 7.4.0-amd64-netinst |
| 11:13.23 | wols_ | !tell amigamagic about equivs |
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| 11:13.59 | amigamagic | sorry guys I'm new to debian world |
| 11:14.09 | amigamagic | and this is the first time I try this distro |
| 11:14.35 | tumi_ | kk |
| 11:14.40 | tumi_ | why you use vmware, why not virtualbox |
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| 11:14.51 | tumi_ | amigamagic |
| 11:14.57 | amigamagic | tumi_, because with virtualbox 3d acceleration doesn't work with Windows 8 host |
| 11:15.02 | tumi_ | kk |
| 11:15.04 | amigamagic | and linux guest |
| 11:15.11 | tumi_ | okay |
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| 11:16.13 | amigamagic | I really don't understand what "wols_" tried to tell me |
| 11:16.13 | rindolf | amigamagic: I see - https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ |
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| 11:16.22 | rindolf | dpkg: equivs |
| 11:16.23 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 11:16.25 | wols_ | alleyoopster: dpkg sent you a message |
| 11:16.52 | rindolf | wols_: it's amigamagic |
| 11:17.54 | amigamagic | to make vmware vga work in debian 7.4 stable I had to do this: |
| 11:17.58 | amigamagic | sudo apt-get install libxatracker-dev |
| 11:18.02 | amigamagic | sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 11:18.05 | amigamagic | apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-vmware -b |
| 11:18.09 | amigamagic | sudo dpkg -i xserver*deb |
| 11:18.18 | amigamagic | ...and that's all |
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| 11:18.46 | amigamagic | but now there is the problem that update manager will report an update available |
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| 11:19.41 | amigamagic | the update is: xserver-xorg-video-vmware-1:12.0.2-1+b1 (64-bit) |
| 11:19.58 | amigamagic | but if I install it, it will disable 3d acceleration in vmware guest |
| 11:20.39 | amigamagic | after that I have to do "sudo dpkg -i xserver*deb" to reinstall the modded driver above |
| 11:20.47 | amigamagic | to make 3d acceleration work again |
| 11:21.28 | wols_ | amigamagic: so you installed an older package from repos? |
| 11:21.50 | wols_ | or did you do a backport? what exact version of the xserver-xorg-video-vmware did you install? |
| 11:21.54 | amigamagic | wols_, no, you can read above the steps I have done |
| 11:22.05 | wols_ | please answer my question |
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| 11:23.00 | amigamagic | wols_, I don't know how to answer your question but you can see the commands I wrote above? (sudo apt-get install libxatracker-dev....) |
| 11:23.19 | wols_ | amigamagic: show us the version of xserver-xorg-video-vmware you have installed. dpkg -l is the command |
| 11:23.36 | wols_ | the one that is working with 3D acceleration of course |
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| 11:24.26 | amigamagic | mmmh... should I grep the result? There are many xorg video drivers there... |
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| 11:24.57 | n^izzo | hey all |
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| 11:25.04 | amigamagic | xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:12.0.2-1 |
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| 11:25.35 | n^izzo | I have downloaded jdk-7u4-linux-x64.tar.gz and uncompressed it now where do I put the files |
| 11:25.36 | wols_ | amigamagic: and where did you get this package from? frm which repo? |
| 11:26.05 | amigamagic | wols_, I don't know, I write following commands: |
| 11:26.08 | amigamagic | sudo apt-get install libxatracker-dev |
| 11:26.11 | amigamagic | sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 11:26.16 | amigamagic | apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-vmware -b |
| 11:26.20 | amigamagic | sudo dpkg -i xserver*deb |
| 11:26.20 | petern_ | He built it. |
| 11:26.20 | abrotman | n^izzo: java is already packaged in Debian |
| 11:26.22 | wols_ | that is not a repository |
| 11:26.49 | n^izzo | <wols_> it comes from the main repo |
| 11:26.59 | amigamagic | I have not modded the repositories, so they should be the default ones |
| 11:27.00 | n^izzo | wols_, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
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| 11:27.20 | wols_ | if it comes from the main repo, he'd have the same package as the main repo. but he doesn't. ergo: different repo. QED |
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| 11:27.24 | n^izzo | abrotman, I need the oricle java |
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| 11:28.02 | petern_ | Yeah, it should be the same package. Maybe it's being built differently for some reason? |
| 11:28.27 | N34lO | hm... iptables >1.4.18 in backports would be great ^^ |
| 11:28.31 | abrotman | why? what's wrong with openjdk |
| 11:28.34 | wols_ | petern_: then apt/dpkg would have a bug. while possible it's very unlikely |
| 11:28.35 | abrotman | N34lO: so make one |
| 11:28.48 | wols_ | !tell n^izzo about java-package |
| 11:28.49 | amigamagic | petern_, actually I think the suggested version in the repos is different |
| 11:29.13 | amigamagic | because it has a +b1 after the version number |
| 11:29.42 | n^izzo | abrotman, because my app needs it |
| 11:29.42 | amigamagic | the update manager suggest me to install 1:12.0.2-1+b1 version |
| 11:29.57 | amigamagic | but my builded version is just 1:12.0.2-1 |
| 11:30.08 | amigamagic | so it thinks they are different? |
| 11:30.17 | abrotman | n^izzo: and it can't use openjdk? |
| 11:30.19 | n^izzo | abrotman, I would not go through the trouble if I could just go normaly |
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| 11:30.22 | amigamagic | what that "+b1" stands for? |
| 11:30.25 | abrotman | n^izzo: then use java-package |
| 11:30.58 | amigamagic | and why the manually builded version hasn't the "+b1" after its version number? |
| 11:31.22 | n^izzo | abrotman, i get this when I try and install "E: Unable to locate package java-package" |
| 11:31.50 | wols_ | n^izzo: please read the message from dpkg again |
| 11:32.35 | amigamagic | anyway it's a problem you could reproduce easly: install debian 7.4 stable inside a vmware virtual machine, and try to rebuild the xserver-xorg-video-vmware package as I have done and you will see my problem... |
| 11:32.45 | N34lO | abrotman: how make? |
| 11:32.51 | Nik05 | n^izzo its in contrib |
| 11:33.13 | n^izzo | how do I define what repo to use |
| 11:33.23 | n^izzo | I'm used to pacman |
| 11:33.28 | wols_ | !tell n^izzo about contrib |
| 11:33.33 | Nik05 | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:34.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell N34lO about ssb |
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| 11:35.45 | n^izzo | wols_, I still don't understand |
| 11:36.03 | wols_ | n^izzo: then read the debian handbook and learn? |
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| 11:36.29 | amigamagic | wols_, you have suggestions for my problem? There is something I could try? |
| 11:38.09 | wols_ | amigamagic: several. edit the source beforehand to change the versioning, put the package on hold, etc |
| 11:38.38 | wols_ | but I still don't know where you got your source from. apt-cache policy should tell you |
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| 11:39.40 | amigamagic | wols_, I'm a totaly noob on those things... Can give me some hints? |
| 11:39.56 | amigamagic | my source are from original stable repositories |
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| 11:41.17 | amigamagic | the only thing is that I installed vmware-tools... I don't know if that changes something... |
| 11:41.44 | amigamagic | but without vmware-tools, vmware-player cannot activate 3d acceleration in the guest |
| 11:41.51 | amigamagic | among other things... |
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| 11:43.49 | tumi_ | How can i make iceweasel use Dolphin as default file manager instead of nautilus? using KDE |
| 11:44.00 | tumi_ | there seems not to be any option on iceweasel settings for it |
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| 11:48.53 | amigamagic | what means: "I'd recommend placing a hold on the xserver-xorg-video-vmware package to prevent it being overwritten accidentally." ? An user suggest this... |
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| 11:57.28 | rindolf | tumi_: hi. |
| 11:57.34 | rindolf | tumi_: I think I did it once. |
| 11:57.37 | tumi_ | how? |
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| 11:57.59 | tumi_ | iceweasel isn't a KDE application so I think it does some problems |
| 11:58.26 | wols_ | !tell amigamagic about hold |
| 11:59.12 | rindolf | tumi_: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/410863-Dolphin-as-file-manager-for-firefox - see this. |
| 11:59.36 | tumi_ | okay thanks |
| 11:59.43 | tumi_ | lets see if it helps |
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| 12:01.15 | amigamagic | wols_, do you know why the default vmware driver installed in debian doesn't allow 3d acceleration? |
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| 12:01.54 | tumi_ | shit |
| 12:02.06 | tumi_ | there is no such a line in mimeinfo.cache |
| 12:02.29 | tumi_ | that should have 'x-directory/gnome-default-handler=nautilus-folder-handler-desktop' |
| 12:02.37 | amigamagic | from this link: http://slackadmin.blogspot.it/2013/09/how-to-have-debian-71-working-with-3d.html it results: This happens because the video driver vmwgfx in debian 7.1 and used by vmware has not been compiled with 3D acceleration enabled (see /var/log/Xorg.0.log file). |
| 12:02.37 | tumi_ | lets see if it works if i add one |
| 12:03.01 | amigamagic | so, why it's not compiled with 3d acceleration enabled? It's a bug? |
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| 12:03.28 | rindolf | tumi_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2495/how-can-i-get-firefox-to-use-dolphin-instead-of-nautilus - this is better. |
| 12:03.34 | tumi_ | okay i'll try it |
| 12:03.40 | tumi_ | that opensuse did not help at all |
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| 12:04.27 | tumi_ | ah it is in other folder in debian distros |
| 12:04.30 | tumi_ | let's see |
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| 12:06.18 | tumi_ | rindolf: neither that did help |
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| 12:07.34 | rindolf | tumi_: OK, did you try restarting iceweasel? |
| 12:08.17 | amigamagic | nice... I placed an hold on my vga package and tried to update it... It has been updated!! So that 'hold' doesn't work... |
| 12:08.21 | amigamagic | :( |
| 12:08.41 | amigamagic | I tried with "sudo echo xserver-xorg-video-vmware hold|dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 12:09.14 | amigamagic | but after that the update manager installed the update without warnings... |
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| 12:10.48 | tumi_ | rindolf: yes i did |
| 12:10.51 | tumi_ | no effect |
| 12:11.01 | tumi_ | it still uses nautilus |
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| 12:17.51 | rindolf | tumi_: editing /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache worked for me here. |
| 12:18.09 | rindolf | tumi_: even without restarting Iceweasel/firefox. |
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| 12:18.51 | tumi_ | rindolf: what did you edit there |
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| 12:20.26 | rindolf | tumi_: the inode/directory entry. |
| 12:21.26 | tumi_ | now iceweasel doesnt open file manager at all |
| 12:21.32 | tumi_ | could you paste me your whole line |
| 12:21.39 | tumi_ | so i can see if i have a typo on there |
| 12:21.47 | tumi_ | the inode/directory |
| 12:22.25 | tumi_ | rindolf |
| 12:23.06 | tumi_ | iceweasel still opens nautilus even after editing the mimeinfo.cache |
| 12:23.07 | rindolf | tumi_: I have inode/directory=kde4-kfmclient_dir.desktop;kde4-gwenview.desktop;kde4-dolphin.desktop;pcmanfm.desktop;enlightenment_filemanager.desktop; |
| 12:23.16 | tumi_ | okay |
| 12:23.24 | tumi_ | thanks |
| 12:23.32 | rindolf | tumi_: you're welcome . |
| 12:24.10 | tumi_ | Well i have the same row |
| 12:24.17 | tumi_ | except after enlightenment |
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| 12:24.39 | tumi_ | replacing "kde4-kfmclient_dir.desktop" with "kde4-dolphin.desktop" doesn't help |
| 12:24.59 | tumi_ | shit |
| 12:25.08 | tumi_ | i don't have a symlink on the applications folder, that may be the problemk |
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| 12:26.05 | tumi_ | No, rindolf it still doesn't work.. :/ |
| 12:26.10 | tumi_ | nautilus is still used |
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| 12:29.33 | nmschulte | JasonWoof: do you play league of legends? |
| 12:29.37 | rindolf | tumi_: do you have something in ~/.local/share/applications? |
| 12:29.47 | rindolf | tumi_: can you try in a new UNIX user account? |
| 12:30.20 | tumi_ | well.. |
| 12:30.49 | tumi_ | yes there is mimeapps.list , mimeinfo.cache |
| 12:31.00 | tumi_ | i'll check what is in there |
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| 12:31.26 | rindolf | tumi_: OK. |
| 12:32.27 | tumi_ | rindolf: didn't help, i edited dolphin there too |
| 12:32.30 | tumi_ | still opens nautilus |
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| 12:32.58 | rindolf | tumi_: OK. |
| 12:32.58 | tumi_ | fuck this crappy debian... going to install slackware next to avoid these stupid simple problems |
| 12:33.05 | rindolf | tumi_: can you try in a new user? |
| 12:33.13 | tumi_ | that is not possible |
| 12:33.20 | rindolf | tumi_: why not? |
| 12:33.24 | rindolf | tumi_: you have root. |
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| 12:33.33 | rindolf | tumi_: you can create a new user. |
| 12:33.36 | tumi_ | or you mean to start iceweasel as root or? |
| 12:33.36 | tumi_ | what |
| 12:33.50 | tumi_ | ah |
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| 12:33.59 | rindolf | tumi_: no, create a new UNIX user account. su or sudo to it and start firefox as that. |
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| 12:34.07 | tumi_ | how? |
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| 12:35.17 | tumi_ | hmm |
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| 12:36.27 | rindolf | tumi_: how to do what? |
| 12:36.41 | tumi_ | i creeated another user |
| 12:36.48 | rindolf | tumi_: OK. |
| 12:36.54 | tumi_ | cannot open iceweasel because Error: no display specified |
| 12:37.10 | tumi_ | i tried to open it from command line |
| 12:37.13 | tumi_ | not possible |
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| 12:38.02 | rindolf | tumi_: try running xhost + |
| 12:38.07 | rindolf | tumi_: temporarily. |
| 12:38.29 | rindolf | tumi_: and then run firefox again. |
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| 12:39.38 | tumi_ | rindolf: I started another x-session and logged as the user to it |
| 12:39.49 | tumi_ | i was able to open iceweasel, but it still uses nautilus |
| 12:39.57 | rindolf | tumi_: ah, I see. |
| 12:40.06 | jelly-home | rindolf: itym sux or gksudo |
| 12:40.15 | rindolf | jelly-home: mean what? |
| 12:40.50 | tumi_ | seems that it's easier just to deal with that fucking nautilus... |
| 12:41.06 | tumi_ | the only problem with it is that it doesn't support fish:// bookmarks |
| 12:41.12 | tumi_ | that dolphin does |
| 12:41.17 | linuxthefish | ??? |
| 12:41.26 | linuxthefish | fish supported everywhere |
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| 12:41.47 | tumi_ | really? |
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| 12:42.22 | tumi_ | nice. My debian doesn't even have the package nautilus installed |
| 12:42.27 | tumi_ | how in fuck does iceweasel use it then? |
| 12:42.36 | tumi_ | if it doesnt even exist |
| 12:42.37 | jetscreamer | naughty lust |
| 12:42.38 | rindolf | tumi_: maybe try http://superuser.com/questions/376107/how-change-the-default-desktop-manager-in-debian |
| 12:43.11 | babilen | rindolf: "xhost +" is horribly insecure and jelly-home is suggesting saner alternatives. |
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| 12:43.23 | tumi_ | rindolf: yes it is KDM |
| 12:43.24 | rindolf | babilen: OK, it's just a temporary measure. |
| 12:43.25 | tumi_ | as it has to be |
| 12:43.32 | tumi_ | I don't want gnome |
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| 12:43.56 | babilen | rindolf: It would just be a shame if people learn "xhost + solves my problem" |
| 12:43.56 | jetscreamer | it's controlled by /etc/X11/default-display-manager iirc, least it used to be |
| 12:43.57 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 12:44.03 | jelly-home | rindolf: meaning you won't be able to run an X app as another user if you use just su or sudo |
| 12:44.06 | rindolf | babilen: it will be gone after you logout of X. |
| 12:44.54 | rindolf | Ah, I see - it's desktop manager - not file manager. I misread. |
| 12:44.58 | tumi_ | Nautilus just must be integrated into iceweasel somehow... since there is no nautilus installed on my debian |
| 12:45.20 | jetscreamer | what about nautilus-somethingelse though |
| 12:45.26 | abrotman | tumi_: maybe show is a screenshot? |
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| 12:45.36 | abrotman | show us |
| 12:45.46 | tumi_ | of that file manager which iceweasel uses? |
| 12:45.47 | jetscreamer | oh yeah delayed reaction |
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| 12:45.56 | jetscreamer | !worship abrotman |
| 12:45.56 | dpkg | kneels before abrotman. "I'm not worthy!" |
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| 12:46.49 | tumi_ | abrotman: http://tumii.kapsi.fi/img/albums/sht/0002.png |
| 12:47.04 | zinx | tumi_: probably uses gvfs or something |
| 12:47.25 | tumi_ | hmmh |
| 12:47.28 | jetscreamer | well that's gtk afaict so maybe |
| 12:48.16 | abrotman | that's not nautilus |
| 12:48.20 | tumi_ | what is it then.. |
| 12:48.31 | tumi_ | some kind of crap |
| 12:48.33 | tumi_ | :D |
| 12:48.44 | abrotman | gtk file chooser |
| 12:48.50 | zinx | yeah |
| 12:48.56 | tumi_ | ah |
| 12:48.59 | tumi_ | sorry for mistake then |
| 12:49.04 | abrotman | and I doubt you can change that. |
| 12:49.10 | zinx | i don't |
| 12:49.19 | zinx | due to some stupidity during gnome 2.x :P |
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| 12:49.33 | zinx | (there were a number of file dialog replacers) |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | well, it's the file selector that IW chose, not a gnome2 problem |
| 12:49.40 | zinx | yeah |
| 12:50.00 | tumi_ | but can I change it somehow |
| 12:50.14 | tumi_ | konqueror doesn't open that, it uses its own file manager |
| 12:50.16 | zinx | probably not easily in 3.x |
| 12:50.19 | rindolf | tumi_: can you try "open containing folder". |
| 12:50.21 | zinx | konqueror is KDE |
| 12:50.22 | rindolf | ? |
| 12:50.26 | tumi_ | yes |
| 12:50.30 | zinx | it probably uses the standard Qt file dialog. |
| 12:50.41 | abrotman | konq is a different application, and not gtk based |
| 12:50.46 | tumi_ | yes i know |
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| 12:50.55 | rindolf | tumi_: I recall a way to get Firefox/Iceweaswel to use the KDE File Open Dialogue. |
| 12:51.12 | tumi_ | how |
| 12:51.17 | abrotman | ask google |
| 12:51.36 | tumi_ | google hasn't helped me... I have been trying to change it for a few days |
| 12:51.37 | jetscreamer | why do you care? is it messing up or just an eye candy/ purist thing? |
| 12:51.40 | jiku | i was looking for a way.. where server sends mail to admin when someone does remote login to the server.. |
| 12:51.49 | abrotman | tumi_: you're asking for a very obscure (and IMO, silly) thing |
| 12:51.52 | jiku | i was able to do this but can't get the IP address of the remote user.. |
| 12:51.53 | tumi_ | jetscreamer: because that file manager doesnt have my fish:// addresses listed on the bookmarks |
| 12:51.55 | jetscreamer | maybe now that you can google the correct search terms though |
| 12:51.59 | jiku | any idea how to capture the IP ? |
| 12:52.23 | jiku | *remote login i meant via ssh. |
| 12:52.24 | tumi_ | abrotman: well, then I must deal with that file manager if it is impossible to change |
| 12:52.44 | tumi_ | I didn't ask your opinion is it stupid or not, I asked if it is possible to do |
| 12:52.46 | jetscreamer | at worst you could recompile iceweasel maybe |
| 12:52.47 | rindolf | tumi_: http://www.maketecheasier.com/5-firefox-add-ons-for-better-kde-integration/ - maybe see this. |
| 12:52.48 | abrotman | It's not a file manager |
| 12:53.00 | jetscreamer | hey wow can we ban him now? |
| 12:53.33 | tumi_ | hmmh |
| 12:53.33 | abrotman | tumi_: http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+change+file+selector+gtk |
| 12:53.39 | htop | hello, i've copied debian live CD to an usb stick. how can i remount, to have write access on the usb drive? (is this possible?) |
| 12:53.42 | abrotman | tumi_: Tons of hits, good luck |
| 12:53.51 | jetscreamer | you forgot to use lmgtfy |
| 12:53.53 | tumi_ | I have googled it for a few days now |
| 12:53.56 | zinx | htop: probably not in the way you want |
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| 12:54.17 | tumi_ | And i am not allowed to ask it on IRC after I have tried to fix it by myself with google for a few days? |
| 12:54.17 | zinx | htop: you can create another partition on it, though |
| 12:54.23 | tumi_ | Well, ban me then. Good bye |
| 12:54.28 | jetscreamer | you're so polite |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | tumi_: I just gave you multiple links, have you read them yet? |
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| 12:54.39 | tumi_ | abrotman: every single link you have posted here now |
| 12:54.41 | tumi_ | even that google |
| 12:54.45 | htop | ok, but i can't alter the system on the usb stick or? |
| 12:54.53 | tumi_ | but I have read like all pages |
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| 12:55.13 | abrotman | that's odd, because many of them say "Solved" |
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| 12:55.16 | zinx | abrotman: http://www.uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2014/04/npr-april-fools-day-prank-facebook/ |
| 12:55.27 | rindolf | tumi_: it's not called a file manager - it's a file picker or file chooser or file open dialogue or whatever - and it's not nautilus. |
| 12:55.32 | tumi_ | okay |
| 12:55.39 | paulk-aldrin | hi, I'd like unzip to extract a directory and its sub-directories from a zip file. I used unzip archive.zip folder/* but it only matches the files inside folder and not the sub-folders. How can I get it to extract the sub-folders of folder/ too? |
| 12:55.41 | tumi_ | well, Can i change the file picker then? |
| 12:55.43 | abrotman | zinx: wrong channel |
| 12:55.45 | tumi_ | Can i now get advice |
| 12:55.48 | jetscreamer | -->maybe now that you can google the correct search terms though |
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| 12:55.52 | tumi_ | okayy |
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| 12:55.58 | zinx | abrotman: relevant, but yes you are correct :P |
| 12:56.24 | abrotman | tumi_: Go back to google, use the correct terms this time. Read a few of them. You're not the first person to want to do this. Others have resolved your "issue" |
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| 12:57.03 | jetscreamer | ok that's my dose of drama for the day |
| 12:57.13 | jetscreamer | crawls back in the hole |
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| 12:57.42 | jetscreamer | upload not finished, i'll crawl back later |
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| 13:03.11 | sandman13 | if we consider distros derived from debian, which one implemented debian well? |
| 13:03.30 | nevyn | debian |
| 13:03.46 | sandman13 | apart from debian |
| 13:03.47 | wols_ | sandman13: this is the wrong channel for this. ask ##linux |
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| 13:04.20 | jetscreamer | it's the well part. |
| 13:04.41 | sandman13 | okay wols |
| 13:04.57 | wols_ | no. it's the "derived" part. we don't care about derived but only actual, real debian. everything else is OT |
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| 13:05.38 | jetscreamer | exactly. |
| 13:06.19 | nevyn | so any distro that isn't debian can't implement debian by definition |
| 13:06.23 | jetscreamer | what is the url, ah... sandman13 distrowatch maybe |
| 13:06.28 | nevyn | this was my pithy point |
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| 13:12.09 | jetscreamer | 60m@50kbsUp==tehsuck |
| 13:13.33 | htop | mhm, when i want a writeable usb stick, is it possible to install debian directly on that usb stick? or are there any other problems ? |
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| 13:14.13 | abrotman | htop: That is something people do, yes |
| 13:14.18 | wols_ | htop: it is possible. the usb stick will wear out fast however, since the flash on them is of bad quality |
| 13:15.00 | htop | mhm ok. well, it may be better to install it on a usb hard drive instead... |
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| 13:16.37 | amigamagic | Ok guys now the "hold" mode works... I figured out... You had to run the command "echo "xserver-xorg-video-vmware hold"|dpkg --set-selections" from a root command line. Sudo doesn't work for it. You have to be "root" user to make it work... |
| 13:16.56 | amigamagic | Now that package is blocked in the update manager |
| 13:17.03 | wols_ | or you need to write your sudo line in a proper way for shell redirection |
| 13:17.27 | jetscreamer | great minds |
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| 13:18.29 | themill | !sudo redirection |
| 13:18.29 | dpkg | <sudo> can run a command as root but what is a "command"? "sudo foo > /etc/bar" will give you "-bash: /etc/bar: Permission denied". Your shell splits "sudo foo > /etc/bar" into "run the command sudo with the argument foo" and then "stick the output into /etc/bar"; it's your own shell (not sudo!) that will create /etc/bar and it doesn't have permission to do so. Use «su -», «sudo -i», «foo | sudo tee /etc/bar». |
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| 13:20.05 | amigamagic | ok wols_, thanks for the info |
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| 13:50.25 | melt7777 | is there a way to force xorg to output the same content to all displays without a change to xorg.conf? |
| 13:50.46 | abrotman | use xrandr |
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| 14:04.11 | footempnym | hi, is there a way to keep nc listening on a port after the first incoming connection has been closed by remote host? |
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| 14:06.31 | xauth | footempnym: just run it in a loop? |
| 14:08.03 | footempnym | xauth: like "while true do; nc...; done" hmm, nice idea, thx :D |
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| 14:19.33 | zthus | Hey everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble with my second display - it seems to refresh too slowly (once every 2-5seconds), and I can't find a proper solution with google. I'm assuming its a mixture of my monitors refresh rate & graphic drivers. It's a clean install of Debian, so I'm not sure how to proceed, suggestions? |
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| 14:20.14 | nickoe | zthus: What connections and what driver? |
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| 14:20.57 | zthus | nickoe: The linux x64 driver from AMD, and what do you mean with connections? |
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| 14:21.19 | nickoe | VGA, HDMI or DVI |
| 14:21.22 | zthus | nickoe: The file installed was " amd-catalyst-13.12-linux-x86.x86_64.run" |
| 14:21.37 | zthus | VGA (monitor) to DVI-D (gfx card/computer) |
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| 14:23.47 | nickoe | I don't really know, but you could possily try the open source driver |
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| 14:24.25 | wols_ | zthus: we do not support that .run package from amd. it does bad things to your debian. ask ##ati I think |
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| 14:25.07 | zthus | wols_: Do you have any alternatives? |
| 14:26.18 | wols_ | zthus: the fglrx in debian non-free. or the by default used radeon driver |
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| 15:23.16 | wadnit | Hey guys, I recently started a vpn company, I was wondering how I could disable all the linux log files cause it is using way to much hard drive space |
| 15:23.48 | linuxthefish | o |
| 15:24.06 | frostschutz | wadnit, while [ 1 ] rm logfile |
| 15:24.25 | wadnit | frostschutz, No option to disable the logging at boot? |
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| 15:33.18 | hcmch | hi who can help me |
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| 15:34.02 | mtn | !ask |
| 15:34.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:37.54 | hcmch | why there are two file size in windows "size and size in the disk" but debian there is one size |
| 15:37.54 | hcmch | ?? |
| 15:38.49 | hoxu | hcmch, on "debian" (eg. ext2-4) there are two sizes, see man ls, -s option |
| 15:39.39 | agh_ | hi all. I'm trying to configure network shares using nautilus-share. I installed it along with samba, and now I can access password-less, guest shares |
| 15:39.46 | hcmch | hoxu: why in an other destro like ubuntu there is one |
| 15:40.17 | agh_ | But when I deselect the option allow guest access, I can't access the shares because I',m asked for a password I did not set. |
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| 15:40.55 | agh_ | I tried nothing, my user password, but no |
| 15:41.02 | hoxu | hcmch, you are most likely speaking of some UI utility, not how things are actually on filesystem level. Again, I refer you to ls -s for checking the allocated size |
| 15:41.31 | agh_ | How do I know the password then? |
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| 15:44.55 | somiaj | agh_: do you use the same username/password as your standard debian user when you try to access teh shares with the password? |
| 15:46.01 | agh_ | I'm running a live for some testing, so i use user/live as username/password |
| 15:47.00 | somiaj | agh_: you reset the user password to live? |
| 15:47.30 | agh_ | this should be the default, no? |
| 15:48.19 | agh_ | anyway I even tried on an installed system where I entered my password |
| 15:48.29 | agh_ | and it didn't work |
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| 15:49.05 | vxnuke | test |
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| 15:49.25 | somiaj | agh_: the default password on the live systems has changed. the debian ones jsut give you sudo privlages and you should use them to set the password to something you know |
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| 15:50.25 | vxnuke | so you want to change password for username? |
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| 15:50.32 | vxnuke | or for root? |
| 15:51.05 | somiaj | vxnuke: it was a live system, just saying that I don't know what the default password maybe, so he should set it. (: |
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| 15:51.34 | somiaj | I guess he would need sudo passwd user -- though mayb the username is debian on debian live images. It has changed a few times |
| 15:52.41 | agh_ | ok, so I opened System settings/ User accounts and I clicked on my users' password, Action "set a password now" and I put Current password "live" and a new password but I can't click on change |
| 15:53.05 | agh_ | of course I typed it again in confirm |
| 15:53.07 | somiaj | because I don't htink your current password is live, hence why I'm suggestion you use sudo to set it |
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| 15:53.24 | agh_ | when the screen locks I can unlock it by typing live |
| 15:54.02 | vxnuke | you can use sudo su passwd to set root password |
| 15:54.17 | somiaj | hmm, that is strange. what happens if you just type 'su - user' into a terminal, it should ask for a password does live work there? |
| 15:55.06 | agh_ | yes |
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| 15:57.31 | somiaj | agh_: do you mind put a copy of your /etc/samba/smb.conf file at paste.debian.net? |
| 15:57.37 | vxnuke | anyone here know much about asterisk or sip? |
| 15:58.06 | deviant | anyone noticed recent openssh-server package updates from 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4 to 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5? I have checked debian package changelogs on debian.org as well as official packages version on debian repos and nothing was mentioned about the 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5 release |
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| 15:58.54 | somiaj | deviant: I just got an email from the DSA about a secuirty update in openssh |
| 15:59.06 | deviant | oh. what's is the problem? |
| 15:59.24 | deviant | has it been hacked or it's official release from debian security team? |
| 15:59.44 | deviant | can you paste it somewhere on pastebin? |
| 15:59.59 | agh_ | paste.debian.net/91875 |
| 16:00.28 | agh_ | but it seems it's just a sample |
| 16:00.31 | somiaj | deviant: its an offical release from debian security deviant. I guess the webpage hasn't updated as I can't get you a webpage link of the announcment |
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| 16:00.49 | vxnuke | I know asterisk can run send a call to sip softphone. Want I want to do is setup a dialup server to listen on a com port and receive a call from asterix |
| 16:00.49 | vxnuke | I know asterisk can run send a call to sip softphone. Want I want to do is setup a dialup server to listen on a com port and receive a call from asterisk |
| 16:00.50 | agh_ | the shares made with nautilus-share do not require root access |
| 16:01.02 | agh_ | so it can't edit this file i think |
| 16:01.06 | deviant | somiaj: any change you could paste the content of that email to pastebin? or debian paste, please? |
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| 16:01.35 | deviant | chance* |
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| 16:02.18 | somiaj | deviant: http://paste.debian.net/91877/ |
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| 16:02.31 | vxnuke | what do you think my chances are of being able to do this? |
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| 16:03.56 | deviant | ty somiaj |
| 16:04.08 | vxnuke | I get error ##linux :Cannot send to channel when i try to talk on ##linux do i need to register or something? |
| 16:04.45 | somiaj | vxnuke: some channels do require you need to register, I would not know if ##linux is one of them |
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| 16:05.28 | vxnuke | somiaj: Ok just i'm new to this irc stuff |
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| 16:06.06 | petn-randall | vxnuke: No problem, we all started out that way. :) |
| 16:06.32 | agh_ | seems that the config for nautilus share is at /var/lib/samba/usershares |
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| 16:08.40 | agh_ | http://paste.debian.net/91880 is my /var/lib/samba/usershares/pictures |
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| 16:09.22 | somiaj | agh_: try this command, 'sudo pdbedit -w -L' -- that should list your current samba users |
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| 16:11.13 | agh_ | somiaj: no output, it just returns |
| 16:11.15 | boudiccas | how do i change the permissions of an external card to be writable by everybody please? |
| 16:11.27 | somiaj | agh_: okay that is what I thought, one second |
| 16:11.55 | somiaj | agh_: sudo pdbedit -a -u user (where user is the user name you wish to add to samba) |
| 16:12.03 | somiaj | agh_: this has to be a username on your system |
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| 16:12.23 | vsoftoiletpaper | [17:09:35] <Nothing4You> vsoftoiletpaper: znc version? |
| 16:12.26 | boudiccas | for external card read external drive |
| 16:12.47 | Nothing4You | vsoftoiletpaper: it's because of debian stable, versions don't really get updated there |
| 16:12.55 | vsoftoiletpaper | [17:10:11] <vsoftoiletpaper> ZNC 0.206+deb2 - http://znc.in |
| 16:12.57 | vsoftoiletpaper | [17:10:23] <Nothing4You> You have some amazing exploits. Upgrade NOW! |
| 16:12.59 | vsoftoiletpaper | this is from the #ZNC channel |
| 16:13.24 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper: debian security backports patches to fix the debian version. |
| 16:13.53 | vsoftoiletpaper | that is what I supposed, but Nothing4You disagrees? |
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| 16:14.46 | agh_ | it works |
| 16:15.00 | Nothing4You | not all security patches are getting backported to debian stable |
| 16:15.00 | agh_ | I don't understand why is this setting needed |
| 16:15.14 | agh_ | it's not made automatically |
| 16:15.36 | somiaj | agh_: It is just a default, seems that by default not all users are made into samba users (this is probabaly best because there are a lot of login users) |
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| 16:15.45 | somiaj | agh_: what this means is you have to manually add the users to be samba users |
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| 16:15.58 | somiaj | agh_: sorry a lot of nonlogin users |
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| 16:16.12 | oo_miguel | I use trayer as system-tray and wonder if I can hide a specific tray-icon (skype in my case) |
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| 16:18.04 | boudiccas | how can i make an external drive writable by all? its formatted vfat and is the sd card of my mobile |
| 16:18.24 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper, Nothing4You: If that is the case you might want to look at the bug reports and report a bug. The debian security team is usually fairly good at this. |
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| 16:19.46 | melt7777 | abrotman, xrandr --auto command did not do anything as far as outputting from the other video cards. the goal is to have the xorg displaying out via all gpu's if possible |
| 16:20.29 | SynrG | boudiccas: automounted? |
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| 16:20.56 | melt7777 | i'm in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
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| 16:21.33 | boudiccas | SynrG; no, mounted with jmtpfs |
| 16:22.16 | boudiccas | SynrG; jmtpfs /media/galaxy |
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| 16:25.28 | SynrG | boudiccas: does /etc/fuse.conf have user_allow_other? |
| 16:26.02 | SynrG | if so, a user can use "allow_other" when mounting fuse filesystems |
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| 16:26.56 | boudiccas | SynrG; yes, but i've been trying to cp stuff to it but its silently refusing it, no reason given why not |
| 16:28.14 | melt7777 | i believe what i am asking is, can i have xorg outputting to all gpu's and allow monitor hot plugging to any one of them? I cannot find the answer on google, wiki, or the above wiki link, although there is a monitor hotplug link at the end of that page that is broken sadly |
| 16:28.19 | SynrG | i can't find the jmtpfs man page at manpages.d.o |
| 16:28.26 | SynrG | shrugs |
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| 16:29.08 | boudiccas | SynrG; its a new thing not long in testing |
| 16:29.19 | SynrG | i tried searching in testing/unstable |
| 16:29.23 | boudiccas | i'm looking at man page atm |
| 16:29.25 | SynrG | maybe manpages is just behind |
| 16:29.48 | SynrG | ah: |
| 16:29.51 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.10 | SynrG | boudiccas: that is what i had hoped. so my impulse to check mount.fuse was correct :) |
| 16:30.16 | boudiccas | yes, i've just read that too, so i'll have a play with it after tea |
| 16:30.37 | SynrG | k. well, good luck |
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| 16:30.47 | boudiccas | SynrG; thanks |
| 16:31.04 | SynrG | thankf for pointing me at jmtpfs. looks interesting |
| 16:31.08 | SynrG | thanks* |
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| 16:31.32 | boudiccas | SynrG; its good but it still has some rough corners atm |
| 16:31.55 | boudiccas | SynrG; like you cant use obnam with it, and rsync is patchy too |
| 16:32.11 | SynrG | i've been using PTP and gphoto2 |
| 16:32.41 | SynrG | and, hmm ... mtp-tools |
| 16:33.05 | SynrG | but, feels clunky vs. a filesystem |
| 16:33.11 | boudiccas | SynrG; i always have a read of the fortnightly debian newsletter, and have a look at the new packages that it mentions, thats where i learnt about jmtpfs |
| 16:33.17 | SynrG | ahh |
| 16:33.24 | SynrG | somehow missed that one :) |
| 16:33.55 | SynrG | "fortnightly?" sounds awkward. i just call it dwn :) |
| 16:34.23 | boudiccas | i read it through gmane, and there it seems to be fortnightly |
| 16:34.53 | SynrG | (yes, technically 'dpn' but that just sounds strange to me ... being married to a knitter ...) |
| 16:35.06 | boudiccas | ;) |
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| 17:13.59 | Roland- | hello, is there a way to get a list of packages, tree like with dependencies? |
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| 17:14.44 | SynrG | yes. but it's huge |
| 17:15.17 | Roland- | installed packages I mean |
| 17:15.21 | Roland- | sorry |
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| 17:15.47 | SynrG | see apt-rdepends |
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| 17:16.53 | SynrG | it would be a graph, though, not a tree (unless you accept that the deps are replicated in the tree every time they recur across all packages ... i.e. huge) |
| 17:18.19 | Roland- | well I need to see which packages are not used or needed at all. |
| 17:18.45 | Nik05 | when sending a bug report can put X-Debbugs-Cc on the first line or does it need to be in the header? |
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| 17:30.43 | solrize | so is there a repeatable way to find out what package some command is in? like it took me a while to figure out that to run "dig" i had to install "dnsutils" (or maybe it was "dnstools"). aptitude search didn't find it |
| 17:31.08 | hoxu | solrize, apt-file search bin/dig |
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| 17:31.28 | solrize | thanks, hmm |
| 17:31.42 | solrize | first have to install apt-file ;) |
| 17:32.53 | solrize | ah, neat |
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| 17:37.18 | wols_ | solrize: packages.debian.org does it without installing anything |
| 17:37.48 | solrize | ic, thanks |
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| 17:38.22 | alfredo | help please with libreoffice impress |
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| 17:38.41 | solrize | i installed apt-file and it's nice... i remember when the 17mb used by the cache was a lot of disk space, but even on my little vps these days it's no big deal |
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| 17:47.13 | bdak | i pay for phpbb style help. i messed up my style now i need to fix it :) /msg me |
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| 17:57.31 | HappyNewYear13 | maybe thid is a difficult question, but which debian version should i install on a machine that can handle only up to ubuntu 12.04? |
| 17:58.08 | digdilem | um, not sure it matters. what software you install does |
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| 17:58.45 | HappyNewYear13 | digdilem, it's an old pc, and ubuntu 12.10 became so demanding on resources |
| 17:59.07 | digdilem | i get that, but it won't be ubuntu, it'll be the window manager, or something else I imagine? |
| 17:59.09 | HappyNewYear13 | digdilem, actually a not so old laptop couldnt handle 12.10 either |
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| 18:00.16 | HappyNewYear13 | digdilem, then which debian version is the lighter, considering the new ones? |
| 18:00.22 | HappyNewYear13 | or should i go for the latest release? |
| 18:00.39 | HappyNewYear13 | is debian lighter compared to the new ubuntu? |
| 18:00.45 | mtn | HappyNewYear13: latest release with a simple windowmanager will probably work fine |
| 18:00.53 | wols_ | HappyNewYear13: you should install debian stable. always, no matter what |
| 18:01.04 | digdilem | agree with that |
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| 18:01.17 | HappyNewYear13 | ok, thank you friends digastricus mtn wols_ |
| 18:01.23 | wols_ | HappyNewYear13: debian is very configurable. it can run much "lighter" than ubuntu or a lot heavier |
| 18:01.33 | HappyNewYear13 | oki |
| 18:02.26 | wols_ | HappyNewYear13: use the lxde installmedium and not gnome3. you are probably RAM starved |
| 18:02.45 | HappyNewYear13 | thank you wols_ |
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| 18:17.17 | boodie | OK, I'm back : noe I booted in 3.2.0-4-amd64 ... should I eliminate the higher kernel installed through backports? |
| 18:18.30 | wols_ | if you don't want it anymore, sure |
| 18:19.22 | boodie | Ok, what's the best way to do it? |
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| 18:19.40 | wols_ | you remove it with apt-get remove or dpkg remove. like any other package |
| 18:19.51 | boodie | I would hash out the backports in sources.list too |
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| 18:20.32 | wols_ | you can let them stay in. nothing will ever be installed from backports unless you explicitly request it with -t backports |
| 18:21.23 | ompaul | wols_: I gave that advice about an hour ago on oftc |
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| 18:21.53 | boodie | Ok I have 12 packages + 1 kernel in aptitude, blocked |
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| 18:22.07 | wols_ | boodie: what command did you run? |
| 18:22.17 | wols_ | and what is the output of "dpkg -l |grep linux-image"? |
| 18:22.34 | boodie | I was advised to remove the backported kernel, in order to clean up the system |
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| 18:23.10 | wols_ | that's not what I asked. please answer the actual questions |
| 18:23.27 | wols_ | boodie: and what kernel are you running right now (uname -a) |
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| 18:23.55 | boodie | Linux vladi 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:24.03 | linuxthefish | :O |
| 18:24.43 | boodie | dpkg -l |grep linux-image : http://paste.debian.net/91910/ |
| 18:24.43 | dpkg | ii |grep linux-image : http://paste.debian.net/91910/ 1.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:25.43 | boodie | sorry. dpkg -l |grep linux-image : http://paste.debian.net/91910/ |
| 18:25.56 | wols_ | boodie: so simply remove linux-image-3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 18:26.06 | wols_ | the others are already removed (you can purge if you want) |
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| 18:26.29 | somiaj | boodie: you switched networks on your reboot, think you almost got it all straightend out. (: |
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| 18:29.54 | boodie | It asks me to re-run the boot loader, what does it mean? |
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| 18:31.52 | somiaj | boodie: I think it does that automatically if you have grub, you should be fine |
| 18:32.35 | boodie | Now, I am told I don't need to remove backports ... |
| 18:32.49 | somiaj | boodie: they are nice to have |
| 18:32.57 | boodie | ok |
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| 18:33.03 | somiaj | boodie: but only use them if you need them |
| 18:33.14 | boodie | thanks then, I'll reboot once more |
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| 18:33.27 | somiaj | boodie: shouldn't be needed |
| 18:33.52 | somiaj | boodie: now it is your choice if you want to use nouveau or non-free nvidia. |
| 18:34.14 | boodie | what do you think? |
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| 18:43.42 | somiaj | boodie: your choice, I would say use nouveau if everything isnow working for ya |
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| 18:54.43 | tbx1024 | i have a macbook pro 7,1 running in CSM mode, and my SD card reader is not working, it shows up on lsusb, but dmesg log doesnt show anything when i plug in a card |
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| 18:55.13 | tbx1024 | on the wiki it says it's supported with the usb-storage driver, which is loaded when checking the output of lsmod |
| 18:55.46 | tbx1024 | it physically works though, as it works with OSX |
| 18:56.19 | wols_ | tbx1024: google the USB ID |
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| 18:57.48 | tbx1024 | wols_ " doesn't give anything unfortunately, everyone seems to have a working setup. the same USB ID is listed on the wiki, and they say it works |
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| 18:58.08 | tbx1024 | wols_ : and it doesn't for me |
| 18:58.11 | tbx1024 | :( |
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| 18:59.00 | wols_ | what is the USB ID? |
| 18:59.21 | tbx1024 | ID 05ac:8403 Apple, Inc. Internal Memory Card Reader |
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| 18:59.49 | boodie | ok, now the kernel is 3.2.0-4, how to load the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:00.02 | zinx | tbx1024: is there any output in dmesg when you insert the card? |
| 19:00.13 | tbx1024 | zinx: no output |
| 19:00.36 | zinx | tbx1024: hmm, would either have to be a hardware issue w/ card detect, or software issue in initializing card detect support |
| 19:00.48 | tbx1024 | zinx: it works with MacOSX |
| 19:01.07 | tbx1024 | zinx: it's more of a software issue, but i find it strange that i am the only one to have the problem |
| 19:01.09 | zinx | tbx1024: right, but those are the possibilities given what's happening |
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| 19:01.24 | tbx1024 | i would suspect a bad confguration somewhere :/ |
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| 19:01.33 | zinx | tbx1024: there's no configuration for that. |
| 19:01.50 | tbx1024 | actually if there's no dmesg output you're right |
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| 19:02.02 | boodie | somiaj: in order to set X to use the nvidia drivers, what shouyld I do? |
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| 19:03.23 | tbx1024 | !tell boodie about nvidia |
| 19:04.23 | boodie | !tell boodie about nvidia dkms |
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| 19:05.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell boodie -about selftell |
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| 19:05.15 | monsune | hello dudes |
| 19:05.15 | tbx1024 | !tell boodie about dpkgbot |
| 19:05.39 | monsune | may i please ask you if it's better to buy radeon of nvidia for debian desktop? |
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| 19:05.44 | monsune | or* |
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| 19:06.01 | ompaul | monsune: intel |
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| 19:06.07 | wols_ | monsune: you need to state that you must use the proprietary drivers |
| 19:06.10 | tbx1024 | monsune: i had a very good experience with nvidia |
| 19:06.11 | ompaul | monsune: no driver issues |
| 19:06.42 | ompaul | as long as you buy blobby hardware they will make it |
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| 19:07.18 | ompaul | then when it doesn't work report the bug in the first instance to the person you see in the mirror first thing in the morning |
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| 19:34.54 | AbsoluteBuffoon | good evening |
| 19:35.34 | nickoe | hellpo |
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| 19:38.53 | monsune | thank you tbx1024 and ompaul |
| 19:39.12 | monsune | i'm sorry for the late reply but i was chatting in the other chan with The Wols |
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| 19:47.05 | shawnbon206 | da fuq my battery dropped by 1/3rd before i even left the house today |
| 19:47.20 | shawnbon206 | hey guys, what would be the smartest way to share a music folder for streaming over ethernet or vpn? ftp? most important client is a debian machine with rhythmbox |
| 19:47.32 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: Did you catch it in time? |
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| 19:47.48 | shawnbon206 | sorry that battery thing was for another channel |
| 19:47.49 | tbx1024 | shawnbon206 : sshfs? |
| 19:48.11 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: NFS/cifs or sshfs. FTP doesn't work well with streaming. |
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| 19:51.26 | shawnbon206 | hmm isnt there other things like dlna for example? i guess CIFS is the best bet for compatibility with mobile devices, but they are an afterthought and theres no windows clients |
| 19:52.23 | shawnbon206 | looking at DAAP too |
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| 19:54.14 | tbx1024 | shawnbon206: maybe a DLNA server? |
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| 19:55.14 | tremon | dlna uses local multicast addresses for discovery. I don't think it works over the internet |
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| 19:56.20 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: DLNA would also be an option, but IIRC it only works well on the local LAN, so you'd need to set up your VPN to work on the Ethernet level ("tap"). |
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| 19:58.24 | shawnbon206 | looks like rhythmbox supports DAAP |
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| 20:08.11 | kale | how do i get debian to unlock my encrypted partition automatically when booting? and then mount the lvm's inside? |
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| 20:10.23 | tremon | kale: read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz, in particular the keyscript sections |
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| 20:10.52 | petn-randall | kale: You can set it up, but that would kind of defeat the encryption. |
| 20:11.14 | kale | petn-randall: i want the key on an attached usb-storage device |
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| 20:19.10 | petn-randall | kale: Makes sense. Just make sure to have a backup of the key, or a password as fallback. |
| 20:20.21 | kale | petn-randall: initially i started using encryption because i had to send in a drive for "repair", or i would not get a new drive. |
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| 20:21.26 | kale | reading the file suggested, it sounds like everything is unlocked in the initramfs. my root is unencrypted, so I have no use for that right now. |
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| 20:23.59 | tremon | kale: oh, if your / is not encrypted, you only need the passdev section |
| 20:24.28 | kale | tremon: will crypttab be used before fstab? |
| 20:24.54 | kale | tremon: i have lvm on crypt on raid |
| 20:25.33 | tremon | yes, I think so. I have a separate luks container for my data, and it gets unlocked by the system itself without issue |
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| 20:26.00 | kale | tremon: sounds like wat i want |
| 20:26.22 | tremon | difference is that I'm using keyscript_derived, but that shouldn't matter |
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| 20:27.22 | kale | are options optional? |
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| 20:28.30 | tremon | not with passdev. the minimum you need is keyscript=passdev |
| 20:28.45 | kale | ok, lets see what happens |
| 20:28.57 | tremon | I have luks there as well, but I think that's implied |
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| 20:32.46 | kale | i have this: md0_crypt /dev/md0 /root/keyfile keyscript=passdev |
| 20:33.19 | kale | but it does not show up in /dev/mapper |
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| 20:34.17 | tremon | that won't work, 'The "key" part of /etc/crypttab will be interpreted as <device>:<path>[:<timeout>]' |
| 20:35.11 | tremon | so you need at least to provide a device path followed by a colon |
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| 20:37.14 | tremon | if you simply want to use a static keyfile, keyscript=/bin/cat would suffice I think |
| 20:37.48 | kale | tremon: interesting, i tried /dev/vg_flash/root:/root/keyfile |
| 20:39.20 | tremon | that should work |
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| 20:40.55 | tremon | although man crypttab says "at minimum, [options] should contain either luks, tcrypt or cipher...", so luks may not be optional |
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| 20:41.49 | kale | hmm, now trying this: md0_crypt /dev/md0 /dev/mapper/vg_flash-root:/root/keyfile luks,keyscript=passdev |
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| 20:43.15 | tremon | how are you trying it? with cryptdisks_start, right? |
| 20:43.53 | kale | i do not know what cryptdisks_start is |
| 20:44.13 | tremon | what are you running to test it then? |
| 20:44.25 | kale | just a reboot |
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| 20:45.32 | kale | allright, since / is already we cannot mount it again |
| 20:46.04 | tremon | no that should be fine. passdev can detect if it's already mounted, and double-mounting works fine |
| 20:46.23 | kale | Failed to mount /dev/mapper/vg_flash-root |
| 20:46.47 | kale | /dev/mapper/vg_flash-root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
| 20:47.27 | tremon | hmm, that's not what I would expect |
| 20:47.34 | kale | but thats running cryptodisks_early |
| 20:47.59 | tremon | btw you can test it without rebooting. Just run cryptdisks_stop md0_crypt (after unmounting and vgchange -an). To test, simply run cryptdisks_start md0_crypt again |
| 20:48.25 | kale | tremon: yes, thanks |
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| 20:49.19 | Reelax | in Gnome can i a move an open window to another panel ? |
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| 20:49.33 | Reelax | workspace i mean. |
| 20:51.09 | mreq | I tried debian-testing for the first time after 3yrs @ ubuntu and am displeased. The font rendering is horrible and my laptop uses so much power (16W instead of ubuntish 13W). Did your transition go well? |
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| 20:51.25 | mreq | I mean I installed tlp, cpufreq and yet, the power drain :x |
| 20:51.40 | kale | mreq: take a look at powertop |
| 20:51.54 | mreq | kale: that's what I used for measuring the power |
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| 20:52.19 | kale | mreq: did you get any suggestions as what to do about power consumption? |
| 20:53.07 | mreq | kale: I didn't look well enough, true. I always thought that the good/bad togglables were temporary only. |
| 20:53.19 | wols_ | mreq: what cpu and what videocard(s) do you have? |
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| 20:54.11 | mreq | wols_: sony vaio Z21V9E - Intel Core i7 2620M - Intel HD Graphics 3000 |
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| 20:54.35 | mreq | now sitting @ xubuntu; but the rolling release is tempting :) |
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| 20:56.11 | xauth | HI all. Computer does not boot. I've managed the following message from the boot sequence: "rootfs image is not initramfs (uncompression error); looks like an initrd". According to my copy of kernel sources, this means that the gzip'ed cpio initramfs is not valid. However, using abootimg, gunzip, cpio, I can unpack it cleanly. What could I try next? |
| 20:58.02 | wols_ | reinstall your kernel, it will recreate the initrd |
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| 20:59.08 | kale | tremon: i ended up with: md0_crypt /dev/md0 none luks,keyscript=/root/keyscript |
| 20:59.54 | tremon | and /root/keyscript does an echo or cat to stdout then, I assume? |
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| 21:00.23 | kale | tremon: exactly, i will find aout what to do about the usb stuff later, thanks |
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| 21:02.12 | takis | hi all |
| 21:02.19 | Guest59495 | linux newbie |
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| 21:02.33 | Guest59495 | installed debian |
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| 21:02.45 | wols_ | !enter |
| 21:02.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:02.46 | Guest59495 | and run into trouble with realtek 8192e |
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| 21:03.15 | Guest59495 | however installed firmware using aptitude |
| 21:03.25 | Guest59495 | and system identified driver |
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| 21:03.35 | Guest59495 | however I have encountered a new issue |
| 21:03.47 | arthefact | hello all |
| 21:04.02 | Guest59495 | growing latency times! |
| 21:04.09 | Guest59495 | or latencies! |
| 21:04.20 | Guest59495 | I dont know how to proceed |
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| 21:04.46 | Guest59495 | anyone to shed some light into growning latencies? |
| 21:05.05 | arthefact | can i know why xvidcap is no more include in debian wheezy repositories ? |
| 21:05.27 | kale | Guest59495: how do you find out what the latency is? |
| 21:05.31 | arthefact | i miss this software |
| 21:05.37 | zinx | arthefact: generally because the debian package was not maintained |
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| 21:05.47 | Guest59495 | I checked online and found one command vstats or something |
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| 21:06.30 | Guest59495 | ran the command and when pinged to google observed growing latencies outofthe blue |
| 21:06.47 | aaaa^freelance | is there any repository of newer versions of packages for wheezy ? |
| 21:07.14 | kale | Guest59495: do you know what the command was? |
| 21:07.17 | petn-randall | Guest59495: That might be completely unrelated to your network card. |
| 21:07.36 | tremon | !tell aaaa^freelance -about wheezy backports |
| 21:08.12 | petn-randall | !ops check #debian-offtopic please |
| 21:08.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: petn-randall complains about: check #debian-offtopic please |
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| 21:10.53 | Guest59495 | kale: dont remember the actual command because I did it last week |
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| 21:11.29 | Guest59495 | petn-randall: yes, I did some basic search on the web ad couldnt resolve it on my own so that's why I am here |
| 21:12.12 | kale | Guest59495: will pinging your routers inside IP give you growing latencies? |
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| 21:15.06 | xauth | wols_: The boot image can already be extracted correctly. From #ac100, looks like the problem is in the boot loader. Thanks anyway. |
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| 21:15.55 | petn-randall | takis1: It's better to ping a device on your LAN, increasing latency towards the internet could simply be a download picking up on speed. |
| 21:16.57 | petn-randall | takis1: You can also check some parameters of your card by issuing 'ethtool eth0', and 'ifconfig eth0', assuming eth0 is the card in question. |
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| 21:20.53 | zapotah | most applications work far better on debian than on any other platform, but authenticating to active directory with proper access control seems like nigh impossible to make work properly and reliably without adding tons of unnecessary daemons and non-native functionality |
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| 21:21.00 | takis1 | kale: when pinging my router times start at .61 and withing a minute goes to .66, is this normal? |
| 21:21.19 | kale | takis1: its fine |
| 21:21.46 | dokma | funny, in aptitude package libcompress-raw-zlib-perl lists amavisd-new as a package that depends on it. however package amavisd-new does not concur with that. |
| 21:21.53 | dokma | can anyone verify this for wheezy |
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| 21:22.01 | zapotah | on centos its extremely straightforward and quite frankly easy to configure without adding nearly any overhead |
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| 21:23.20 | zapotah | but due to policy it is necessary to authenticate and authorize all producton machines from ad and there is an app that is unsupported on anything else than ubuntu and debian |
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| 21:23.57 | petn-randall | dokma: It actually does, it's an "or" dependency: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amavisd-new |
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| 21:24.33 | petn-randall | zapotah: Do you have a support question? |
| 21:24.45 | dokma | petn-randall, ahhhh... I see |
| 21:24.46 | dokma | thanks |
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| 21:25.30 | takis1 | petn-randall: where do you want me to paste output from ifconfig |
| 21:25.54 | takis1 | petn-randall: ethtool doesnt seem to work |
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| 21:26.06 | zapotah | petn-randall: i would more like a way to do ad authentication in a way that doesnt add tons of overhead and would be consistent in group naming across the domain even on linux machines |
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| 21:26.36 | zapotah | the version of winbind on debian fails to create a working keytab to use with a ws2012r2 domain |
| 21:26.49 | xfgxfgxfg | can anyone tell me what desktop environment this is? http://debian-art.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/143387-2.jpg |
| 21:28.07 | zapotah | i tried to use sssd and manual creation of a kerberos keytab for the machine in question but that failed for some reason as well to properly authenticate users. |
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| 21:28.38 | petn-randall | xfgxfgxfg: On first look this looks like a heaviliy modified KDE. |
| 21:28.38 | zapotah | this is wheezy i am talking about |
| 21:29.01 | xfgxfgxfg | thanks petn-randall |
| 21:29.06 | petn-randall | takis1: You might need to install ethtool first, you can paste it all to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:29.50 | zapotah | we need to use ws2012r2 due to using system center and 2012 r2 is really the first actually working version for our use scenario on the ws side |
| 21:30.05 | petn-randall | zapotah: So are you trying to do kerberos auth or ldap auth against the AD? |
| 21:30.46 | zapotah | petn-randall: trying to use kerberos auth and use the machine keytab to do GSSAPI sasl ldap bind for authorization |
| 21:31.11 | zapotah | if debian only had sssd >=1.9.0 this would not be an issue |
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| 21:31.25 | zapotah | and a bit newer version of winbind |
| 21:31.54 | zapotah | with the versions of centos 6.5 everything just works out of the box |
| 21:32.14 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport sssd |
| 21:32.27 | mcurran | is there a command that shows the gcc version that was used for compiling the kernel you're running, or the target kernel. |
| 21:32.32 | zapotah | no backports for debian for sssd |
| 21:32.41 | judd | Backporting package sssd in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libcmocka-dev. |
| 21:32.58 | zapotah | there is an ubuntu ppa but im not convinced it will work |
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| 21:33.09 | zapotah | also the testing repo version does not work with wheezy |
| 21:33.12 | petn-randall | zapotah: No, you can't mix Ubuntu PPAs with Debian. |
| 21:33.18 | zapotah | petn-randall: i know |
| 21:33.53 | zapotah | jessie version is somehow compiled against some version of some package that is very much incompatible with wheezy |
| 21:33.55 | takis1 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/91952/ |
| 21:34.14 | dutchfish | mcurran, cat /proc/version (of running kernel) |
| 21:34.16 | zapotah | could be any package out of nearly a hundred |
| 21:34.17 | petn-randall | zapotah: You could backport it yourself, you'd just need to also backport libcmocka-dev, according to judd. |
| 21:34.34 | petn-randall | !tell zapotah about ssb |
| 21:34.56 | petn-randall | zapotah: Replace 'sid' with 'jessie' in that instruction. |
| 21:35.05 | zapotah | petn-randall: i would if i were comfortable enough with working with debs |
| 21:35.13 | takis1 | petn-randall: any ideas? |
| 21:36.12 | petn-randall | takis1: Looks all fine to me, and since you don't see any increasing latency going to your router, your problem lies elsewhere, not your Ethernet card. |
| 21:36.43 | zapotah | i banged my head on the wall for nearly 8hrs and tried five different approaches during the day to create the template for future provisioning to have a ready-made template for debian |
| 21:37.08 | zapotah | this will be for a production system so custom package management sounds somewhat questionable |
| 21:37.09 | takis1 | petn-randall: goodnews! the bad news is that I dont know how to proceed from this point onwards |
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| 21:38.49 | takis1 | petn-randall: the issue that I have is that webpages load up fast withing the first minute |
| 21:38.53 | takis1 | or so |
| 21:38.57 | zapotah | especially since i will most certainly not be working there after a year or so and i have serious doubts about my follower having the ability to maintain anything related to linux |
| 21:39.28 | zapotah | (its a ms house through and through with the occasional requirement for linux systems) |
| 21:39.43 | takis1 | but shortly after it's crawling... I mean dead slow to the point that it loads forever (it doesnt timeout immediately) |
| 21:39.46 | zapotah | or more like the rare requirement |
| 21:39.51 | mcurran | dutchfish, if i'm currently using gcc (custom/git build) "which gcc = /usr/local/bin/gcc" and I cannot run a make uninstall in that source branch, should I just delete /usr/local/bin/gcc and rebuild n' install it, then make uninstall thet latest release" or whatever. I wanna install cuda-toolkit and it needs to use matching repo 3.8.2 and that's in /usr/bin, is there a way to just declare that so that it doesn't use newer deps from /usr/local/bin |
| 21:39.51 | mcurran | or custom build... |
| 21:40.45 | dutchfish | mcurran, i dunno, i always install kernel as debian package which i build |
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| 21:41.22 | mcurran | yeah, i know, but that |
| 21:41.26 | mcurran | s different |
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| 21:41.56 | mcurran | some things like module related stuff needs to be built with the same compiler that was used to build the current kernel |
| 21:42.07 | dutchfish | mcurran, it boils down to this, if your install makes a mess and you didnt log it, you have to clean out by hand |
| 21:42.08 | mcurran | so in my case gcc is not pointing to that one |
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| 21:42.29 | mcurran | I know i'm avoiding that by finding the answer to my question. |
| 21:43.02 | mcurran | i want gcc 4.8.2 and only 4.8.2 related tools that gcc uses when compiling this tool for a my gpu |
| 21:43.08 | dutchfish | mcurran, others might now, sorry i dont |
| 21:43.14 | dutchfish | s/now/know |
| 21:43.34 | mcurran | I already have it pointing to that gcc, but I'm not sure if gcc's tools it might call will be from the newer install gcc, and mess sh*t up |
| 21:43.49 | mcurran | cool, okay |
| 21:44.08 | dutchfish | mcurran, 'which gcc'is what is used if you make is correct |
| 21:44.13 | mcurran | i know it's as simple as setting the compiler for the build with something like GCC=/usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:44.19 | petn-randall | takis1: Can you run 'ping -i 5 -c 180 8.8.8.8' and paste the whole output when it's done in 15 minutes? If this problem goes away from rebooting, do that before running the command. |
| 21:44.37 | petn-randall | zapotah: Sorry, I can't help you with that one. I know to little about AD. |
| 21:45.14 | zapotah | perhaps i will just bang my head on it on tuesday a bit more and see if the backported winbind version works better and doesnt install the entire domain controller suite with it |
| 21:45.48 | zapotah | im fairly sure that everything will work after the machine gets a proper keytab file |
| 21:46.12 | zapotah | its just a pita to create it manually and really not an option to use on a template |
| 21:46.53 | dutchfish | mcurran, you can however alter the symplink gcc |
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| 21:47.01 | dutchfish | symlink* |
| 21:47.26 | dutchfish | mcurran, just for this occasion, if you have doubts about that particular build |
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| 21:48.18 | zapotah | petn-randall: but thanks for the support. I guess im mostly just frustrated at how much work ive put into this without seeing any real progress. |
| 21:48.27 | zapotah | i will find a way |
| 21:50.20 | dutchfish | mcurran, if you are really keen, you do this kind of 'special' builds in a virtual build envirenment, like i do |
| 21:50.42 | zapotah | or in the worst case scenario i will wait for ubuntu 14.04 on the 17th and test stuff with that |
| 21:50.48 | dutchfish | mcurran, and wrap it up in a debian package |
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| 22:00.23 | petn-randall | !tell thepreacher -about bat |
| 22:00.47 | petn-randall | thepreacher: There's a handful of commands the bot asked you to paste us, so we can debug the issue. |
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| 22:17.47 | flakedump | Hello, I cannot get Bluetooth running. I can find the device with lsusb but its not detected with hciconfig. i have the bluetooth package installed as well as bluez. Any tips? |
| 22:18.01 | flakedump | debian wheezy |
| 22:18.56 | mentor | flakedump: kernel modules loaded? rfkill? |
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| 22:20.19 | flakedump | i have the bluetooth and rfcomm module loaded. what is rfkill? |
| 22:21.54 | Frogging101 | Does Debian Wheezy clear the /tmp directory periodically without being rebooted? |
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| 22:23.55 | digdilem | isn't that dangerous? |
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| 22:24.14 | centrx | Frogging101, Use the tmpreaper program |
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| 22:24.48 | Frogging101 | centrx: I'll take a look at that |
| 22:24.52 | petn-randall | digdilem: In what way? |
| 22:25.10 | Frogging101 | digdilem: I don't imagine so, as long as it doesn't clear any active files |
| 22:25.12 | digdilem | nm, i see it's configurable to only kill files that haven't been accessed |
| 22:25.37 | digdilem | (recently) |
| 22:26.16 | petn-randall | Usually temp files only get written once and seeked a little. As long as the program keep the temp file open, it doesn't matter if it gets "deleted", since the filesystem only rids the file when the last file descriptor is closed. |
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| 22:26.53 | digdilem | i know. i was thinking it was dangerous to blindly delete files that may still be in use |
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| 22:34.11 | rryoumaa | it's usually best to honor TMP TEMP TMPDIR |
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| 22:36.50 | flakedump | what should i do? i cant get Bluetooth running, it wont find a hci0 device. the device is listed in lsusb but not hciconfig |
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| 22:43.13 | takis1 | petn-randall: hi there got the stats you asked for Re loading speed issue/timeout |
| 22:43.23 | takis1 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/91965/ |
| 22:43.59 | petn-randall | flakedump: And if you run 'hcitool dev' as root? |
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| 22:44.17 | petn-randall | takis1: I don't see anything you described, everything seems fine and constant. |
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| 22:45.01 | takis1 | petn-randall: there is something wrong with iceweasel then? |
| 22:46.09 | takis1 | petn-randall: the first and second pages load up really fast but speed drops and timesout |
| 22:46.18 | flakedump | petn-randall: it shows no devices |
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| 22:46.29 | takis1 | petn-randall: for instance while running your test the irc page timedout |
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| 22:47.14 | petn-randall | takis1: It's not related to you internet connection then. Could be DNS issues, or simply the web page. |
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| 22:47.53 | takis1 | petn-randall: fyi while on wired network no issues at all! |
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| 22:48.56 | takis1 | petn-randall: when I switch to wireless it's superfast for the first minute or so and then deteriorates |
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| 22:49.55 | petn-randall | takis1: That's an important info! So was the test result on wifi or on ethernet? |
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| 22:49.59 | takis1 | petn-randall: if I switch off and on wireless from netmanager (again) superfast for the first minute or so and then dead slow shortly after |
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| 22:50.09 | takis1 | test result on wifi |
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| 22:51.04 | takis1 | petn-randall: test result on wifi - bear in mind that wireless is ok on my phone - could stream videos with no issues at all - that's why I suspect there is an issue there |
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| 22:52.46 | petn-randall | takis1: does 'ifconfig wlan0' (wlan0 should be your wifi device) show anything interesting? -> http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:55.03 | takis1 | petn-randall: linux newbie here so dont know, have a look http://paste.debian.net/91952/ |
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| 22:55.48 | petn-randall | takis1: Your ethernet is fine, that's why I'm asking for the wifi connection. |
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| 22:56.10 | Phoness | i got this in pm |
| 22:56.13 | Phoness | [17:44] <Pricey> Lots of "people" seem to complain about very specific ops from very specific channels in very specific ways. |
| 22:56.15 | Phoness | [17:49] <Phoness> so |
| 22:56.18 | Phoness | [17:49] <Phoness> what that means is |
| 22:56.25 | Phoness | [17:49] <Phoness> that these OPs are a problem |
| 22:56.28 | Phoness | [17:50] <Pricey> That is indeed one possibility. |
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| 22:56.40 | Phoness | hahahah Metaleer , not even stuff like you |
| 22:56.42 | Phoness | hahahahahahah |
| 22:56.55 | petn-randall | !ops Phoness |
| 22:56.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: petn-randall complains about: Phoness |
| 22:57.08 | Phoness | petn-randall: go suck a dick |
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| 22:58.11 | takis1 | petn-randall: shame on me! I oversaw it - here's the wifi http://paste.debian.net/91969/ |
| 22:58.34 | A|an | Does anyone here use debrootcheck? ( http://www.elstel.org/debcheckroot/ ) |
| 22:58.54 | A|an | make that debcheckroot |
| 22:59.06 | A|an | ? |
| 22:59.19 | petn-randall | takis1: Don't see any frame drops or similar, how is the output of 'iwconfig' (notice the W)? |
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| 23:03.38 | takis1 | petn-randall: have a look http://paste.debian.net/91971/ |
| 23:04.21 | petn-randall | takis1: You're operating an open wifi access point? |
| 23:04.36 | takis1 | petn-randall: no |
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| 23:05.11 | petn-randall | !rtl8192E |
| 23:05.11 | dpkg | r8192_pci (renamed to r8192e_pci at Linux 2.6.34) is a module produced by the rtl8192e staging driver, supporting the Realtek RTL8192E 802.11 draft-n PCIe chipset (PCI ID 10ec:8192). Enabled in Debian Linux images for x86 architectures only. Firmware is required (RTL8192E/{boot,data,main}.img), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Some PCI ID 10ec:8192 devices are RTL8192SE-based, see <rtl8192se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 23:05.34 | petn-randall | !tell takis1 about realtek firmware |
| 23:05.45 | petn-randall | takis1: Check if you have the firmware installed, it might be the issue. |
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| 23:06.04 | takis1 | petn-randall: how? |
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| 23:06.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o SynrG] by SynrG |
| 23:06.16 | SynrG | hmm |
| 23:06.27 | petn-randall | SynrG: A little to slow this time ;) |
| 23:06.31 | petn-randall | too even |
| 23:06.46 | SynrG | and not wholly familiar with the tools |
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| 23:07.25 | petn-randall | takis1: Check what the bot sent you. You have to have 'firmware-realtek' installed in the end. |
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| 23:07.37 | takis1 | petn-randall: oh! sorry |
| 23:07.59 | takis1 | petn-randall: yes I did install this with aptitude before coming to IRC |
| 23:08.29 | takis1 | petn-randall: it helped to identify the card but it's not the solution |
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| 23:09.33 | takis1 | petn-randall: as far as I remember I installed version 0.36 |
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| 23:11.09 | petn-randall | takis1: You could try the firmware-realtek from backports, it's worth a try. |
| 23:11.24 | takis1 | petn-randall: backports? |
| 23:11.57 | takis1 | petn-randall: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek |
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| 23:18.32 | yolo_ | hello |
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| 23:18.56 | yolo_ | hey guys, why does google have soo much servers ? what is the purpose of the server ? |
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| 23:19.30 | centrx | yolo_, To run their software? |
| 23:19.45 | yolo_ | what sofware ? |
| 23:20.06 | centrx | The search engine and all the Google apps |
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| 23:23.05 | shawnbon206 | yolo_ lol |
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| 23:23.36 | yolo_ | centrx, aren't the google apps sitting on some webpages waiting to be downloaded |
| 23:23.48 | yolo_ | shawnbon206, what's so funny ? |
| 23:23.56 | centrx | yolo_, Where are these web pages located? |
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| 23:24.12 | yolo_ | ....hmmm |
| 23:24.13 | kale | yolo_: i guess those webpages are stored on a webserver |
| 23:24.14 | yolo_ | i see |
| 23:25.00 | shawnbon206 | yolo_ you might think about gettng a network+ exam prep book |
| 23:25.38 | yolo_ | shawnbon206, i might know more than you think... |
| 23:25.59 | yolo_ | maybe i might have been expecting different answer ? |
| 23:26.17 | shawnbon206 | why dont you think i gave you good advice? |
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| 23:27.21 | petn-randall | takis1: Yes, but don't download it from the website, enable that package repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 23:27.21 | yolo_ | so guys, |
| 23:27.40 | takis1 | petn-randall: what do I replace http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org |
| 23:28.12 | petn-randall | yolo_: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 23:28.18 | takis1 | petn-randall: with? if I am in the uk? free.hands.com? |
| 23:28.48 | petn-randall | !tell takis1 -about wheezy-backports |
| 23:29.03 | petn-randall | takis1: dpkg should have sent you the details. |
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| 23:30.36 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 23:31.01 | lenswipe | having some issues playing dvds on debian, i have libdvdread4 and libdvdcss2 installed but VLC, mplayer and/or xbmc are still failing to read the disk |
| 23:31.04 | asterismo | hi guys |
| 23:31.24 | asterismo | does anybody knows why apache2 does not show my favicon.ico in the Iceweasel? |
| 23:31.30 | kale | lenswipe: is decss missing? |
| 23:31.55 | petn-randall | lenswipe: Where did you get the packages from? |
| 23:32.08 | takis1 | petn-randall: thanks - I updates the sources.list and ran apt-get update? next, I did apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 23:32.29 | lenswipe | kale, no idea - how do i check |
| 23:32.32 | lenswipe | petn-randall, apt-et |
| 23:32.32 | takis1 | petn-randall: is this all I need for the backport? |
| 23:32.35 | petn-randall | asterismo: Does your website ship it under http://<yoursite>/favicon.ico ? |
| 23:32.35 | mentor | asterismo: Because that's not how you create an icon for a web page |
| 23:32.36 | lenswipe | petn-randall, apt-get* |
| 23:32.49 | mentor | asterismo: Add an appropriate <link> element to the html instead |
| 23:32.58 | petn-randall | takis1: To install the backport, yes. |
| 23:33.27 | petn-randall | takis1: Oh wait, you probably need to do 'apt-get install firmware-realtek/wheezy-backports', since it won't install it automatically. |
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| 23:35.04 | yolo_ | hey guys, if google had about 100000 people accessing their webpage a day, what id the minimum servers they would need ? |
| 23:35.16 | yolo_ | approximately |
| 23:35.19 | kale | 1 |
| 23:35.19 | takis1 | petn-randall: ok I did that |
| 23:35.38 | lenswipe | can someone help me with my DVD problem? |
| 23:35.40 | lenswipe | having some issues playing dvds on debian, i have libdvdread4 and libdvdcss2 installed but VLC, mplayer and/or xbmc are still failing to read the disk |
| 23:35.49 | takis1 | petn-randall: should I reboot? |
| 23:35.50 | superstraw | yolo_: depends on the servers |
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| 23:36.04 | kale | yolo_: there are 86400 seconds, a slow webser can hnadle a request each second |
| 23:36.10 | mentor | yolo_: Depends on what the web pages actually *did* |
| 23:36.25 | takis1 | petn-randall: sorry - Release 'wheezy-backports' for 'firmware-realtek' was not found |
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| 23:37.21 | kale | lenswipe: do you get somethign like this "No css library available. " |
| 23:37.32 | yolo_ | mentor, a google search engine for example |
| 23:38.16 | takis1 | petn-randall: checked with aptitude and have firmware-realtek 0.36+wheezy.1 |
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| 23:38.24 | lenswipe | kale VLC tells me the equivalent of 404 - not found when i point it at /dev/sr0 |
| 23:38.38 | lenswipe | Playback failure: |
| 23:38.38 | lenswipe | DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/sr0". |
| 23:38.38 | lenswipe | Your input can't be opened: |
| 23:38.38 | lenswipe | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'. Check the log for details. |
| 23:38.39 | *** kick/#debian [lenswipe!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 23:38.41 | mentor | yolo_: OK, so are you including the web crawling in that? |
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| 23:38.47 | lenswipe | oops |
| 23:38.58 | yolo_ | yes |
| 23:39.15 | kale | lenswipe: could you run "mplayer dvd://" and see if it gives you a message about css |
| 23:39.45 | lenswipe | okay |
| 23:39.46 | mentor | yolo_: So how often are you crawling the web? |
| 23:40.09 | lenswipe | kale, yea it does |
| 23:40.16 | lenswipe | kale, but i have libdvdcss2 installed |
| 23:40.40 | yolo_ | i don't crawl the web |
| 23:41.10 | yolo_ | i just want to know the least server it would require a search engine to for 100000 requests |
| 23:41.16 | yolo_ | a day |
| 23:41.19 | kale | lenswipe: less distributions including Debian do not distribute libdvdcss. |
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| 23:42.28 | mentor | sniffs yolo_ for troll notes |
| 23:42.38 | yolo_ | not trolling |
| 23:43.20 | takis1 | petn-randall: any thoughts to share? |
| 23:43.27 | yolo_ | i should probably ask some computer science teacher |
| 23:43.31 | lenswipe | hands yolo_ an air freshner "Its your armpits dude.." |
| 23:43.38 | mentor | yolo_: Your questions are too poorly defined to answer. |
| 23:43.40 | lenswipe | that's what he can smell |
| 23:43.51 | lenswipe | kale, is there a non-free repo i can get it from? |
| 23:43.55 | kale | yolo_: if you go to google and search, it will reply how long the search took. there are 86400 seconds each day. from that you could do the math. but you question is very vaguely phrased. the simple answer to your question would be 42 |
| 23:44.57 | kale | lenswipe: well when i used "potato" christian marillat had a mplayer repository. i do not know if that applies anymore |
| 23:46.04 | centrx | lenswipe, libdvdread4: "libdvdcss needs to be installed from third-party repositories (see README.css)" |
| 23:46.45 | lenswipe | centrx, whereis README.css? |
| 23:46.47 | mentor | yolo_: For example, I would suggest that a single webserver simply serving the content "WOOF" in each request could easily do 100,000 requests a day |
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| 23:47.18 | centrx | lenswipe, Probably /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4 |
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| 23:48.08 | lenswipe | ty |
| 23:49.05 | petn-randall | takis1: Does 'apt-get update' throw an error? Like, that it doesn't find a site? |
| 23:49.17 | lenswipe | centrx, thank you |
| 23:50.18 | takis1 | petn-randall: no - Fetched 636 kB in 2s (307 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done |
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| 23:50.59 | petn-randall | takis1: 'apt-cache policy firmware-realtek', does it also list a version 0.41? |
| 23:51.10 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, how can i monitor wicth file(s) a process is opening or try'ing to open? |
| 23:51.12 | petn-randall | takis1: 0.41~bpo70+1 to be exact. |
| 23:52.07 | takis1 | petn-randall: nop, it's 0.36+wheezy.1 |
| 23:52.30 | petn-randall | Krigsforbryter: 'strace -ff -e open <program>' would be a start, check the man page for details. |
| 23:52.33 | CygniX | which package provides rcpbind and rpc.statd? |
| 23:52.43 | petn-randall | takis1: Can you paste your sources.list, please? |
| 23:52.47 | CygniX | need to remove them |
| 23:52.54 | lenswipe | centrx, I found a link to this: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html in there |
| 23:53.18 | petn-randall | CygniX: 'dpkg -S `which rpcbind`' |
| 23:53.21 | centrx | lenswipe, Seems good |
| 23:53.28 | takis1 | petn-randall: have tried this and failed http://paste.debian.net/91977/ |
| 23:53.30 | lenswipe | centrx, the problem is that libdvdcss isn't appearing in apt |
| 23:53.33 | lenswipe | i can't apt-get it |
| 23:53.51 | centrx | Did you run apt-get update? |
| 23:53.53 | lenswipe | yes |
| 23:54.06 | CygniX | petn-randall: thanks, but it only tells me the location of the bin |
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| 23:54.51 | takis1 | petn-randall: sources.list http://paste.debian.net/91978/ |
| 23:55.03 | lenswipe | centrx, there we go -that's it now |
| 23:55.04 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 23:55.14 | CygniX | nevermind, i was trying to remove rcpbind instead of rpcbind :P |
| 23:56.01 | lenswipe | so guys...I'm still having problems with playing DVDs |
| 23:56.09 | lenswipe | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd (No medium found) |
| 23:56.10 | lenswipe | No stream found to handle url dvd:// |
| 23:56.48 | takis1 | petn-randall: any other info required? |
| 23:57.07 | centrx | lenswipe, Is there a DVD in the drive? |
| 23:57.21 | lenswipe | yes. |
| 23:57.53 | superstraw | lenswipe: have you made an iso of the dvd on your drive and try that? |
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| 23:58.17 | lenswipe | superstraw, how would that help? |
| 23:59.19 | superstraw | might not be the dvdcss but something physical? |
| 23:59.43 | lenswipe | superstraw, i say again..how would making an ISO of the DVD help |
| 23:59.54 | lenswipe | "My drive can't read my DVD so I'll just the same drive to make an ISO" |
