| 00:00.14 | superstraw | if you can make an iso, then you can read the dvd and your media players are borked |
| 00:00.21 | superstraw | if not... |
| 00:00.40 | superstraw | country code set of the drive? |
| 00:00.46 | superstraw | country code for the dvd? |
| 00:00.49 | lenswipe | its a brittish drive |
| 00:00.51 | lenswipe | and a brittish DVD |
| 00:01.11 | lenswipe | im about 5 minutes from torrenting it |
| 00:01.13 | takis1 | petn-randall: any thoughts as to what the issue is? |
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| 00:02.48 | lenswipe | superstraw, according to terminal: [0x7f5ee8001c38] dvdread demux error: DVDRead cannot open source: /dev/dvd |
| 00:03.11 | kale | lenswipe: can you do "dd if=/dev/dvd of=/dev/null" ? |
| 00:03.52 | lenswipe | kale, dd: opening `/dev/dvd': No medium found |
| 00:04.03 | kale | lenswipe: is a dvd inserted? |
| 00:04.05 | petn-randall | takis1: I see it. You're missing 'contrib non-free' after the main, in the last line. |
| 00:04.07 | lenswipe | kale, yes |
| 00:04.14 | lenswipe | kale, it also says that about /dev/sr0 too |
| 00:04.15 | lenswipe | >: { |
| 00:04.18 | kale | lenswipe: the the drive cannot read the dvd |
| 00:04.37 | lenswipe | so the drive is toast? |
| 00:04.45 | mtn | lenswipe: are you sure libdvdcss is properly installed? |
| 00:04.53 | lenswipe | apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 00:04.54 | mtn | lenswipe: does the drive work for data disks? |
| 00:04.54 | kale | or the dvd is toast |
| 00:04.59 | lenswipe | mtn, yep and Audio CDs |
| 00:05.07 | mtn | lenswipe: ok, so the drive is ok |
| 00:05.10 | Krigsforbryter | petn-randall: tnx for the help, i have come one step forward now :) |
| 00:05.37 | lenswipe | ima try it with an audio CD |
| 00:05.51 | kale | lenswipe: please another dvd or a data cd |
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| 00:06.31 | lenswipe | kale, i tried an audio CD and it shows the correct number of tracks but refuses to actually play the *#%$ing thing |
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| 00:07.19 | takis1 | petn-randall: thanks - do I need to reboot for the firmware changes to come into play? |
| 00:07.38 | lenswipe | kale, well i put a data disk in and it didn't automount |
| 00:07.46 | petn-randall | takis1: It's the easiest way, yes. The other option is to take down the interface, unload and reload the module. |
| 00:07.55 | takis1 | petn-randall: firmware-realtek: Installed: 0.41~bpo70+1 |
| 00:08.04 | takis1 | will reboot and let you know |
| 00:08.19 | petn-randall | takis1: ok, in a bit. |
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| 00:11.03 | lenswipe | kale, looks like the drive is toast :? |
| 00:11.04 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 00:11.37 | lenswipe | kale, if i swap the drive out will it detect the new drive when I reboot? |
| 00:12.03 | kale | lenswipe: you should be able to clean the drive by loosening only a few screws |
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| 00:13.18 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 00:13.23 | lenswipe | brb |
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| 00:16.28 | takis1_ | petn-randall: rebooted the machine... no luck... |
| 00:16.58 | takis1_ | petn-randall: as before, fast in the first minute or so and then drops... |
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| 00:18.06 | petn-randall | takis1_: Does this problem also occur on other wifi networks? |
| 00:18.29 | petn-randall | takis1_: Just trying to make sure it isn't your wifi AP that's broken ... |
| 00:19.01 | takis1_ | petn-randall: since I couldnt get my home network to work I refrained from taking it out to test so havent tried |
| 00:19.34 | takis1_ | petn-randall: no free wifi withing range though |
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| 00:21.54 | takis1_ | petn-randall: for the record I have superfast wifi on my phone from same router |
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| 00:22.18 | takis1_ | petn-randall: and so has my wife |
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| 00:22.44 | takis1_ | petn-randall: which makes me think that it's not the router |
| 00:23.58 | takis1_ | petn-randall: dont know where to look or what to do.... |
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| 00:24.16 | lenswipe | kale, swapped the drive - that fixed it |
| 00:24.21 | lenswipe | looks like a dead drive, hehj |
| 00:24.24 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 00:24.31 | takis1_ | petn-randall: you are my last resort - if not successful, I d have to return back to windows which I hate... |
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| 00:26.00 | petn-randall | takis1_: So did the wifi card work fine under windows? |
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| 00:26.42 | takis1_ | petn-randall: hate to admit but yes |
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| 00:27.12 | petn-randall | takis1_: No problem, I'm just trying to narrow the problem down by asking those questions ... |
| 00:27.19 | takis1_ | petn-randall: syre |
| 00:27.21 | takis1_ | sure |
| 00:27.27 | takis1_ | petn-randall: sure |
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| 00:30.21 | kale | takis1_: could you paste the lspci line for that card? |
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| 00:32.23 | takis1_ | kale: is this what you are after? 05:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8192E/RTL8192SE Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 00:32.35 | kale | takis1_: yep |
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| 00:32.52 | takis1_ | kale: anything else? |
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| 00:34.28 | somiaj | takis1_: to add to the cooks, dpkg -l | grep firmware-realtek, do you have the firmware for that card installed? |
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| 00:35.57 | takis1_ | somiaj: yes, I did this with petn-randall, ii firmware-realtek 0.41~bpo70+1 all Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters |
| 00:36.27 | somiaj | takis1_: and you reloaded the wifi module (rebooted) after isntalling that? |
| 00:36.42 | takis1_ | somiaj: correct |
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| 00:37.57 | somiaj | takis1_: just acuse I came late to the conversation, what are you using to configure your wifi card? |
| 00:38.56 | takis1_ | somiaj: not following... linux newbie here |
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| 00:39.23 | takis1_ | somiaj: network manager |
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| 00:39.31 | takis1_ | somiaj: ? |
| 00:40.46 | takis1_ | somiaj: and the wifi key printed on router - does this answer your question? |
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| 00:41.37 | dgriffi | does anyone have any hints on how to use the terminus font with xterm and have unicode characters show up correctly? |
| 00:41.40 | somiaj | takis1_: yea network-manager was what I was looking for. Just one more thing to check, grep wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces, you do not have mention of your wireless card in that file do you? (assuming it is wlan0) |
| 00:42.01 | petn-randall | somiaj: To recap, his wifi is showing timeouts after a few minutes of usage, in http/irc, etc. But a long running ping showed no packet drops or higher round trip times. |
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| 00:42.54 | somiaj | petn-randall: I'd like to blame realtek drivers. But I have had bad experience with them. |
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| 00:44.09 | takis1_ | somiaj: I ran your command however nothing returned in the terminal window |
| 00:45.06 | somiaj | takis1_: that is a good sign. My reltex card (itsn't the same as yours though but I belive we both use the 8192 module) has strange issues too. It will onlly connect to some networks not others. I bought a cheap use wifi dongle that works better to fix the problem. |
| 00:45.12 | petn-randall | somiaj: I'll take a nap, need to catch some sleep. I've run out of ideas, I hope you may have some fresh ideas. |
| 00:45.34 | somiaj | petn-randall: I don't think so, I assume you went though all teh basics already |
| 00:45.46 | somiaj | espcailly if it is a strange issue with packets as he is partilly connencted |
| 00:46.24 | dgriffi | anyone? |
| 00:46.28 | takis1_ | petn-randall: thanks mate |
| 00:46.38 | takis1_ | petn-randall: have a good one |
| 00:46.46 | petn-randall | takis1_: Sorry I wasn't of any better help. See you. |
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| 00:47.32 | takis1_ | somiaj: which one to buy to make sure that it works with linux |
| 00:49.05 | somiaj | takis1_: I would get the name of the card and do some research with google first. Mine was a linksys dongle. |
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| 00:49.35 | takis1_ | somiaj: which card? |
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| 00:52.40 | somiaj | takis1_: the one I got was the linksys wusb100 |
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| 00:53.08 | takis1_ | ok thanks |
| 00:53.17 | takis1_ | good night people |
| 00:53.28 | somiaj | takis1_: but others will work. I woudl jsut do some research first |
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| 01:05.26 | dgriffi | what channel would have people who know something about debugging X11 font problems? I tried #xorg and all I got was someone who knows that Terminus is a font. |
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| 01:06.30 | centrx | That's a start |
| 01:08.41 | petemc | (s)he's not wrong |
| 01:08.45 | dgriffi | but not very helpful |
| 01:08.59 | kale | i just installed terminus :-) |
| 01:09.35 | petemc | some people prefer 'typeface' |
| 01:09.51 | dgriffi | kale: did you get it to work properly? |
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| 01:10.09 | centrx | Yes, good point. Terminus is a typeface, not a font. |
| 01:10.10 | kale | dgriffi: porperly enough for me |
| 01:10.18 | centrx | #debian wins again |
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| 01:11.02 | kale | dgriffi: perhaps you should tell what the problem is |
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| 01:11.53 | dgriffi | kale: I get the letter 'n' printed instead of unicode characters |
| 01:12.22 | kale | dgriffi: terminus is not unicode ... |
| 01:12.50 | dgriffi | which then means that terminus is infuriating to use with GCC |
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| 01:12.59 | dgriffi | gcc emits unicode when complaining about stuff |
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| 01:13.17 | kale | dgriffi: then use a unicode font |
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| 01:14.53 | dgriffi | this is an example of what I mean: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-Untitled_Window-2-lWi7dBOb.png |
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| 01:16.32 | kale | what happens if you do "LC_ALL=C make" |
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| 01:48.45 | zr0 | is there a debian wheezy repository for handbrake? |
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| 01:50.19 | centrx | zr0, handbrake does not seem to be in wheezy-backports. You could do a simple source backport of it yourself. |
| 01:50.23 | centrx | dpkg: tell zr0 about ssb |
| 01:50.30 | nkuttler | ,v handbrake |
| 01:50.31 | judd | Package: handbrake on i386 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; jessie: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9; experimental: 0.9.9+svn6032+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.9-dmo9; sid-multimedia: 1:0.9.9-dmo9 |
| 01:50.58 | centrx | Looks like it is in "wheezy-multimedia" |
| 01:51.09 | nkuttler | i'm surprised judd searches that.. |
| 01:51.16 | nkuttler | !multimedia |
| 01:51.16 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 01:51.56 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport handbrake |
| 01:51.57 | judd | Backporting package handbrake in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 01:52.26 | nkuttler | zr0: i'd probably build my own backport.. |
| 01:52.33 | nkuttler | zr0: /msg dpkg ssbp for instructions |
| 01:53.05 | themill | nkuttler: it's on my todo list to stop judd displaying that information by default |
| 01:53.11 | nkuttler | themill: ;) |
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| 01:54.21 | zr0 | hmm, so all the dependencies are in wheezy backports, but an actual handbrake pkg in backports doesn't exist? |
| 01:54.45 | themill | yes |
| 01:55.25 | nkuttler | does one have to be a dd to contribute a backport? |
| 01:55.34 | nkuttler | i'm really annoyed by the lack of pillow |
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| 01:56.06 | zr0 | if i add wheezy backports, will it install over existing packages, or alongside existing packages? |
| 01:56.07 | centrx | has four pillows |
| 01:56.10 | nkuttler | will have to set up a build box before the end of the month |
| 01:56.21 | centrx | zr0, over |
| 01:56.26 | zr0 | hmm |
| 01:56.27 | nkuttler | zr0: by default no backported packages get installed |
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| 01:56.47 | centrx | Yes, that might be what you meant ^ |
| 01:56.50 | nkuttler | zr0: if you install a backport, yes, over the stable one |
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| 01:57.23 | zr0 | bummer |
| 01:57.34 | zr0 | but i guess that makes sense |
| 01:57.48 | kurukururisk | anyone know why dragging objects around (Scroll bars, window headers etc.) requires a longer click before moving the touchpad? |
| 01:58.01 | nkuttler | zr0: i don't think you need backports of build-deps though, do you? |
| 01:58.12 | kurukururisk | if I click, then drag the object won't move |
| 01:58.20 | themill | nkuttler: pillow for py2 or py3? |
| 01:58.25 | nkuttler | themill: py2 |
| 01:58.27 | kurukururisk | but if I click, hold for about 1s and then move it moves around |
| 01:58.38 | themill | nkuttler: python-imaging isn't enough for you? |
| 01:58.46 | kurukururisk | doesn't sound like much but it's a little distracting with scroll bars in particular |
| 01:58.53 | themill | has been going through the same process |
| 01:59.00 | kurukururisk | It might be an openbox exclusive problem, haven't tested it on GNOME yet |
| 01:59.01 | nkuttler | ,v python-imaging |
| 01:59.03 | judd | Package: python-imaging on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.7-2; wheezy: 1.1.7-4; jessie: 2.3.0-2; sid: 2.3.0-2 |
| 01:59.10 | nkuttler | themill: nope |
| 01:59.50 | themill | nkuttler: yeah, lack of python3-pil in wheezy was annoying me the other day too. |
| 02:00.26 | themill | trouble is, it's a long way from being a simple backport |
| 02:00.54 | nkuttler | themill: oh, it is? i compile it with pip all the time |
| 02:01.09 | nkuttler | i guess i'll see when i retire the squeeze boxes.. |
| 02:01.10 | themill | nkuttler: pip ≠ debian package |
| 02:01.17 | nkuttler | obviously |
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| 02:02.12 | themill | yes, it's easily done with pip; it's not easily done with the debian packaging because the debian packaging has to remain internally consistent across releases, support upgrades etc. All the things that you get to ignore with pip |
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| 02:03.00 | nkuttler | meh, don't even have my build vm around any more or i'd just test it |
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| 02:13.18 | techtick | sorry how was the name, of debian-security? |
| 02:13.27 | nmschulte | Hi all. For some reason the Xorg process that is run as root is ignoring my settings in /etc/environment. |
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| 02:14.38 | techtick | nmschulte: is it your process, or a connected one |
| 02:14.39 | nmschulte | I am setting LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH to use my custom built DRI and Mesa, but only the root Xorg process uses the one in /usr/lib rather than /usr/local like all of the userspace processes. |
| 02:15.07 | nmschulte | techtick: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 02:15.33 | techtick | some hitchhicke xorg processes, thats what i asked. |
| 02:16.14 | nmschulte | what is "some" here? |
| 02:16.58 | techtick | no at all, sorry, was just asking is it your process, normaly xorg does run in usermode or |
| 02:18.04 | zinx | nmschulte: the x.org process started by init scripts doesn't use /etc/environment |
| 02:18.24 | zinx | nmschulte: all the display managers in debian get started from init scripts |
| 02:18.55 | nmschulte | zinx: Alright. How would I effect this change then? |
| 02:20.01 | nmschulte | zinx: and why do the other processes find the right i915/i965_dri.so without the need for LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH settting, but the root X.org does not? |
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| 02:20.31 | techtick | nmschulte: ok, i mostly use the preinstalled xorg configs, so many settings, just when changing to gpu i fiddle arround. i had problems with hitchhiked ones, so i allways just ask is this my process and config, or some injected one. sorry for interruption:) |
| 02:21.19 | nmschulte | techtick: Ah, I see. Yeah, I don't know if that is what's going on here. |
| 02:23.23 | techtick | why i am here, i am looking for some programm that helps me to find some device i cant realy locate. so it must be some that scans for changes in memory, bios or irqs. any suggestions? |
| 02:24.47 | zr0 | ok, i see on debian.org that there's a handbrake source package in sid, but when i had the deb-src line to my source.list and do an update i can't find the package in synaptic or aptitude |
| 02:24.57 | zr0 | s/had/add |
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| 02:25.50 | themill | zr0: aptitude and synaptic are only telling you about binary packages not source packages. |
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| 02:26.01 | centrx | zr0, Look at the instructions from dpkg. Instead of using the aptitude/synaptic UI, use the command line commands |
| 02:26.08 | zr0 | ok |
| 02:26.11 | zr0 | thanks |
| 02:26.12 | techtick | zr0: is it found with apt-get, not all servers have same package list.. |
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| 02:27.18 | mentor | source packages are different from binary packages |
| 02:27.35 | zr0 | i understand that |
| 02:27.43 | techtick | zr0: if you can download the package, other way is to install it by file. |
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| 02:28.15 | mentor | "apt-get source" is the command to get source packages, for example |
| 02:28.33 | zr0 | so if i just install the handbrake source pkg in sid, the package system is smart enough to link in packages from backports when i try to build it? |
| 02:29.03 | mentor | No |
| 02:29.33 | mentor | If you want to download a source package from a different release, you have to specify |
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| 02:29.44 | techtick | zr0: when, backports in source list maybe, its some issue of dependencies |
| 02:30.00 | mentor | If you want to build for a different release, you'll probably want to do it in a chroot with pbuild or such like |
| 02:30.01 | themill | techtick: no, you're confusing the issue here |
| 02:30.14 | zr0 | right, because i'm assuming a lot of the dependencies won't be in stable, they'll be in backports |
| 02:30.27 | themill | zr0: btw, you don't install a source package, you just download it to the current directory. |
| 02:30.49 | zr0 | you have to build it somehow, right? |
| 02:30.52 | techtick | well lol, handbreack sid, its an old release... |
| 02:30.55 | themill | zr0: as judd said, some of the build-dependencies are in wheezy while some are in wheezy-backports. They are all satisfied already. |
| 02:30.55 | zr0 | build it and then install it? |
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| 02:31.14 | mentor | You may have to manually go and find build dependencies if you want to backport a package |
| 02:31.29 | mentor | It may not be possible |
| 02:31.36 | themill | mentor: except we know that it is here |
| 02:32.03 | mentor | (in general) |
| 02:32.19 | themill | zr0: follow the instructions from dpkg: /msg dpkg ssb; check which packages you need for build-dependencies: /msg judd checkbackport handbrake --verbose |
| 02:32.30 | zr0 | themill: ok |
| 02:33.27 | techtick | please, i am looking for some programm that helps me to find some device i cant realy locate. i tried modeprobe, so it must be some that scans for changes in memory, bios or irqs. any suggestions? |
| 02:33.59 | themill | techtick: hwinfo |
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| 02:34.26 | techtick | zr0: may i ask what handbrake is for? |
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| 02:34.56 | zr0 | video transcoding |
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| 02:36.31 | techtick | themill: thx, but i did not find it that way. i know there are some programms bruteforcing hw addresses trying out hardware and results of settings, so i looking for some like this. |
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| 02:37.39 | techtick | zr0: thx, just used commandline tools for this yet. |
| 02:38.08 | zr0 | so, for my understanding, when i do aptitude build-dep xyz and it says there's a laundry list of dependencies that are going to be built, if one of those packages is newer than the existing stable package, the stable package would be uninstalled? or would the new one exist along with the old one? |
| 02:39.09 | themill | zr0: build-dep isn't going to build the new dependencies, it's going to install the binary packages. Yes, it will upgrade the packages if needed. |
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| 02:39.23 | themill | You can only have one version of any package installed at the same time. |
| 02:39.27 | zr0 | ok |
| 02:39.44 | themill | techtick: perhaps you could tell us what you're really trying to do here. |
| 02:40.06 | zr0 | man, i think i'd rather keep all the stable versions of these packages.. |
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| 02:40.50 | centrx | zr0, The dependencies will still be the stable versions |
| 02:41.00 | themill | or from backports |
| 02:41.13 | zr0 | oh |
| 02:41.15 | centrx | zr0, Possibly a few from backports, but those are pretty safe |
| 02:41.42 | techtick | themill: i am not try to do here, i got some security issue with hardware, i try to find out the buggi hardware, i just figured out some hardware address but this on windows. seams some driver is using this and exploiting my system |
| 02:41.59 | zr0 | ok, great.. so it won't search sid for dependencies if it can satisfy them in stable or backports |
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| 02:42.43 | centrx | zr0, It won't search sid for dependencies at all, as long as only the deb-src points to sid/unstable |
| 02:42.56 | zr0 | centrx: got it, thanks |
| 02:43.11 | themill | techtick: I'm completely unable to work out what you're actually asking. |
| 02:44.16 | techtick | themill: i got some hardware, i dont use, but it is used somehow and bugging my system, i try to find and disable it. |
| 02:44.54 | themill | "some hardware" |
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| 02:45.12 | zr0 | heh, i think there's a language barrier going on |
| 02:45.25 | themill | yeah, I don't think that's helping |
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| 02:46.07 | techtick | themill: i am not sure, is it the hybrid network card, the graphic card, the soundcard or some hidden wireless or bluetooth. soo looking for a solution, tried much can tell you |
| 02:48.13 | techtick | themill: for example if you develop a new driver, how you find out how to programm it, the hardware addresses, irqs and memory.. |
| 02:48.43 | zr0 | techtick: datasheet |
| 02:49.16 | techtick | zr0: well i asked the hardware producers, no comment so far, so i need a reverse engineering idea |
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| 02:49.54 | themill | If you asked them "something is bugging my machine and I don't know what please send me data" I'm not surprised you didn't get an answer. |
| 02:50.03 | zr0 | heh |
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| 02:51.02 | techtick | lol, yeah... got no answer, tried realy |
| 02:52.02 | techtick | so i look for some monitoring or scan software checking devices and depending changes |
| 02:52.19 | zr0 | so when i aptitude build-dep, i'm getting: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libavformat-dev : Depends: libavutil-dev (= 6:0.8.10-1) but 6:9.10-1~bpo70+1 is installed. |
| 02:52.25 | zr0 | and so on for three pkgs |
| 02:52.43 | themill | (and the use of "bugged"/"bugging" in en_FR and en_DE to mean "buggy" doesn't help this) |
| 02:52.55 | zr0 | so aptitude suggests keeping the packages at the current version, but then handbrake won't build |
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| 02:53.23 | themill | zr0: you'd probably need to tell aptitude to install those packages from backports explicitly. aptitude -t wheezy-backports install libavformat-dev libavutil-dev (and probably some more) |
| 02:54.04 | themill | zr0: aptitude upgrade -t wheezy-backports '?source-package(libav)' might help. |
| 02:54.25 | zr0 | hmm |
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| 02:55.12 | zr0 | am i reading this right, the version i have installed is newer than what handbrake needs? |
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| 02:55.31 | techtick | themill: dont think this where the words i used.. they got me but did not help, and i fight arround with unwanted connection even not using internet... |
| 02:56.37 | themill | zr0: you already have some libav* things from backports but you need to install more -- you need to install them from backports too to keep apt happy |
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| 02:58.49 | zr0 | gottcha |
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| 02:59.55 | techtick | zr0: compiled code depends on versions, so a new version is not satisfying the dependency, so you need the old version lib. one way is to get a package with the old version, an other is compile it(but this result in mostly in more dependencies to resolve) |
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| 03:00.21 | iceroot_ | my system (stable) is telling me there is a new openssh-server but https://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/updates/main/o/openssh/openssh_6.0p1-4+deb7u1/changelog is showing 404 |
| 03:00.46 | techtick | zr0: thats why backports exist :) |
| 03:00.51 | iceroot_ | apt-cache policy is showing this 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1 0 |
| 03:00.51 | iceroot_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.12 | themill | iceroot_: read the DSA for it or use apt-listchanges to show you the changelog at upgrade time |
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| 03:01.21 | iceroot_ | why is there no changelog? and i did not receive a security mailing list mail |
| 03:01.28 | iceroot_ | themill: there was no DSA |
| 03:01.43 | themill | there was |
| 03:01.52 | iceroot_ | hm, then i was not reading my mails carefully |
| 03:02.04 | themill | [DSA 2894-1] openssh security update |
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| 03:02.16 | iceroot_ | [SECURITY] [DSA 2894-1] openssh security update |
| 03:02.22 | iceroot_ | yes, sorry, my fault |
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| 03:02.58 | themill | and yes, changelogs for security updates aren't available on the website. nfc why but it's bloody annoying and apparently difficult to fix or something :( |
| 03:03.24 | iceroot_ | themill: then "apt-get changelog" is buggy i guess |
| 03:03.36 | iceroot_ | themill: it will result in 404 by using that link i provided |
| 03:04.22 | themill | well apt-get changelog is looking where it is supposed to look, it's not buggy, there's just no data there |
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| 03:04.30 | jiohdi | what does it mean[besides the obvious] when upgrade says the following packages have been kept back? why is it telling me this? |
| 03:05.10 | themill | !kept back |
| 03:05.10 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 03:06.13 | iceroot_ | themill: so if i got it correct, changelogs for security goes somewhere else and apt-get changelog is looking for the normal repo |
| 03:07.10 | iceroot_ | hm but the url shows the name "updates" and apt-cache policy is showing me that openssh-server is in "updates" 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages |
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| 03:10.41 | iceroot_ | ok and one other question, why does my ssh-connection survive that dist-upgrade when openssh-server is restarted? is my current ssh-connection still using the old and buggy version until i close my ssh-connection and use a new one? |
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| 03:11.24 | themill | yes |
| 03:12.15 | iceroot_ | ok, thank you |
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| 03:15.31 | sandman13 | how stable is debian testing compared to other distros like Ubuntu or Mint? |
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| 03:16.16 | techtick | lol, its in testing find out |
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| 03:17.09 | sandman13 | techtick: how to upgrade? in vm i tried updating sources.list -> replace all wheezy with jesse but that didn't work |
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| 03:18.57 | techtick | sandman13: did jesse use the same path, check for the sourcelist for jesse |
| 03:19.44 | iceroot_ | sandman13: jessie not jesse |
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| 03:20.15 | techtick | just can tell, replacing for different releases does not work always. |
| 03:20.33 | sandman13 | iceroot: i think i misspelled cD |
| 03:20.59 | techtick | sandman13: by the way distupgrade works mostly fine, but i prefere a new install |
| 03:21.52 | sandman13 | i was trying apt-pinning earlier today but i have a doubt does apt-pinning support 'upgrade' option? i tried but it didn't work |
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| 03:22.53 | techtick | sandman13: is this new, never heard of |
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| 03:24.54 | techtick | is there already a straight and secure way for ipv6 |
| 03:25.05 | sandman13 | techtick: let me provide you the link |
| 03:25.49 | techtick | sandman13: got now browser thx;) i use apt-get, old fashiond |
| 03:28.04 | sandman13 | techtick: is debian stable for server only? please clearify me because of this i am thinking of switching to Kubuntu |
| 03:28.27 | themill | sandman13: all my machines run debian stable |
| 03:28.33 | zr0 | i think i've got a circular dependency going on |
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| 03:29.44 | techtick | sandman13: lol, well stable is ment for all kind of installations, as this is linux, some config is always needed, like firewall and disabling services. Well you cant compare usermanagement of ubuntu and well server dont needs kde |
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| 03:31.17 | sandman13 | techtick: i am using Debian Stable for my laptop too but I want new KDE from testing but I am failing to do this |
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| 03:33.01 | nkuttler | sandman13: i run stable on all machines i use for work. the fun boxes get testing or sid |
| 03:33.05 | techtick | sandman13: wich stable.. well its a lot hard work to make a system run with so many packages, there is always some reconfig needed when you build from sources, so its a tuff job to do so |
| 03:34.51 | techtick | nkuttler: right way to do so. |
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| 03:36.19 | sandman13 | techtick: i have only one laptop so running sid won't be an option |
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| 03:37.29 | techtick | sandman13: well i dont use sid anymore, you can use more linux systems on one machine, but you need to config grup and do kernels and different partitions |
| 03:37.33 | nkuttler | sandman13: what's the problem with wheezy actually |
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| 03:38.33 | sandman13 | nkuttler: KDE4.8 i want KDE 4.10 |
| 03:39.12 | techtick | i thought sid is older |
| 03:40.14 | nkuttler | sandman13: that's not really a problem. if you want to run the latest shiny stuff, yeah, debian may not be for you |
| 03:40.30 | nkuttler | in my experience testing was still more stable than, say, ubuntu though |
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| 03:41.25 | techtick | nkuttler: not realy true, because most develop on debian, so there is mostly a deb package available, sure debian is more focused on gnome |
| 03:42.06 | nkuttler | techtick: it sounds like you think ubuntu/ppa and stuff |
| 03:42.11 | techtick | dont compare distros its a fault to do so |
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| 03:43.41 | techtick | well i dont use ubuntu for some reasons, it started as customiced debian, and sure its done for the masses because it looks fancy, but i dont need a fancy os for work |
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| 03:46.13 | Catalinc | hello, can somebody explain me why after reboot i can't login to ssh, the ssh works i type the login username and no password field shows. the icons stays stuck |
| 03:46.53 | nkuttler | Catalinc: what do you mean? graphical login? |
| 03:47.02 | nkuttler | Catalinc: what does that have to do with ssh? |
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| 03:47.58 | nkuttler | Catalinc: if you mean that you can log in remotely but not locally, try a different dm, or startx from console. which debian release is that anyway? |
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| 03:50.29 | Catalinc | nkuttler i am connecting via ssh |
| 03:50.39 | Catalinc | and the screen stays stuck |
| 03:51.07 | techtick | catalinc: is connection established, is there disconnect? |
| 03:51.11 | nkuttler | Catalinc: well, ssh -vvv, and on the server turn up the debug level |
| 03:51.20 | Catalinc | i managed it |
| 03:51.32 | Catalinc | i did a reboot on the server |
| 03:51.35 | Catalinc | physical |
| 03:51.37 | Catalinc | and now works.. |
| 03:52.04 | techtick | should not do a difference, maybe id did not shutdown correcly |
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| 03:54.08 | techtick | catalin: many ips you got from many subnets... |
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| 03:57.02 | techtick | someone from outer swiss, i look for some server the more far the best, swiss net is a shame |
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| 04:02.12 | zr0 | lovely, sid handbrake package doesn't even build.. i guess that would be unstable technically |
| 04:02.34 | techtick | so still securety issues, some expert available |
| 04:02.52 | techtick | zr0: lol, guess some libs just needs to downgrade |
| 04:03.19 | zr0 | ../make/include/main.defs:111: ../contrib/yasm/module.defs: No such file or directory |
| 04:04.05 | techtick | zr0: from source packages or sources |
| 04:04.20 | zr0 | source package |
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| 04:05.31 | techtick | well, hard to figure out from here, did you try the original sources |
| 04:05.52 | techtick | 213: oh a 213 ip, reserved for future use:) |
| 04:05.57 | zr0 | just: aptitude -b source handbrake |
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| 04:06.45 | techtick | zr0: why is this so important to use, what you like to do |
| 04:06.58 | zr0 | heh |
| 04:07.21 | techtick | well i tried to install xbitch, she was not there |
| 04:07.27 | techtick | lol |
| 04:08.18 | techtick | some kind hard, with all this repositories not all at same state |
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| 04:10.04 | techtick | the best repository i ever seen, was having all kind a girly name packages, oh throw away i need to work, not to play |
| 04:11.56 | techtick | guess some missed the scence of relayable software and hardware |
| 04:13.03 | themill | techtick: please try to stay on-topic in #debian. |
| 04:13.27 | Rusty1 | </yawn> |
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| 04:13.53 | techtick | themill: sorry, this was realy happening, hacked domains, ip spoofing... |
| 04:14.38 | nkuttler | techtick: we have #debian-offtopic for non-support stuff |
| 04:14.55 | techtick | well i got my own mirror because of this |
| 04:14.56 | themill | zr0: looks like you need to backport yasm too |
| 04:15.04 | zr0 | just figured that out |
| 04:15.30 | techtick | realy need this hardware problem solved, best is i dont start with bugreporting.. |
| 04:17.01 | techtick | use debian now since version 2, and i did translation for the wiki some time, i serious in computing |
| 04:18.38 | zr0 | hmm, yasm 1.2 is in sid |
| 04:18.56 | techtick | sounds like assembler |
| 04:19.01 | zr0 | yeah |
| 04:19.15 | zr0 | actually, it's in testing |
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| 04:19.20 | zr0 | and sid |
| 04:19.51 | zr0 | but looks like not very many dependencies |
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| 04:20.26 | techtick | well maybe it comes with gcc |
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| 04:20.56 | zr0 | yikes, i spoke too soon |
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| 04:21.46 | techtick | now i wonder what you need assembler code for ;) |
| 04:22.19 | zr0 | well it's gotta be part of the handbrake source |
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| 04:22.44 | zr0 | wow, 1GB worth of dependencies for yasm 1.2 |
| 04:22.56 | techtick | for building? |
| 04:23.01 | zr0 | yeah |
| 04:23.19 | themill | I assume that will be for building its documentation |
| 04:23.37 | zr0 | it's all over the place |
| 04:23.47 | zr0 | but yeah, a lot of texlive pkgs |
| 04:23.54 | themill | courtesy of xmlto. |
| 04:24.13 | techtick | well did my last assembler coding when i was 16, since 386 its a little pain and i prefere c |
| 04:24.23 | zr0 | this is kind of what i thought would happen |
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| 04:25.37 | zr0 | themill: is it easy to reverse all of this if i want to? |
| 04:25.51 | zr0 | i.e. uninstall all these backport packages |
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| 04:26.55 | themill | you'll only have two backported packages at the end |
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| 04:28.16 | zr0 | well, and the backported dependencies of those |
| 04:28.59 | zr0 | hmm, yasm actually looks kinda cool |
| 04:30.01 | zr0 | crap, now i'm running low on disk space on root |
| 04:30.46 | techtick | copy where you got space and softlink |
| 04:31.46 | zr0 | is there a way to flush the apt cache? |
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| 04:32.01 | fhdrin | /var/cache ? |
| 04:32.13 | zr0 | yeah, /var/cache/apt in particular |
| 04:32.25 | themill | zr0: apt-get clean |
| 04:32.47 | fhdrin | does that command get rid of packages not installed? |
| 04:33.02 | zr0 | yeah, probably |
| 04:33.03 | fhdrin | i.e. old |
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| 04:33.14 | themill | it gets rid of all cached .debs |
| 04:33.44 | zr0 | there we go, much better |
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| 04:35.44 | techtick | p00gz: do you got a well working ipv6 config |
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| 04:47.57 | addaitech | not sure if this is the right place to ask about this, but is there a solution for fixing gmail hanging when logging into it from chrome? |
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| 04:49.41 | techtick | addaitech: how come, just with chrome? |
| 04:50.08 | wols | you should ask google: gmail and chrome are theirs. and there is no chrome in debian |
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| 04:52.33 | addaitech | its doing it in iceweasel and firefox as well |
| 04:52.44 | zr0 | themill: to install these packages after they've been built is it just: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 04:52.47 | zr0 | ? |
| 04:52.56 | themill | yes |
| 04:53.05 | techtick | addaitech: ask google lol, check if this happens with other browsers, check ip and dns, check if its a proxy |
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| 04:53.58 | addaitech | i did check other browsers, and no proxy settings, dont get whats going on ;\ |
| 04:54.03 | addaitech | does google have a channel on here? |
| 04:54.32 | techtick | adaitech: a proxy can run on port 80 as well... think about it |
| 04:56.37 | addaitech | hrm just loaded fine in firefox |
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| 05:01.20 | somiaj | addaitech: do you mean firefox or iceweasel? Also are you using google-chrome or chorimum? |
| 05:01.39 | addaitech | firefox and google-chrome |
| 05:02.07 | wols | I suggest you try with software provided by debian next time |
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| 05:04.17 | somiaj | addaitech: it could be you did something unexpected to your system depending on how you insatlled that software. It makes it hard for us to understand what coudl be causing you such problems. (: |
| 05:04.28 | somiaj | ,v chromium |
| 05:04.30 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 33.0.1750.152-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 33.0.1750.152-1~deb7u1; jessie: 33.0.1750.152-1; sid: 33.0.1750.152-1 |
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| 05:05.10 | somiaj | addaitech: you can get a recent chromium from wheezy-security of version 33 and a recent iceweasel (24esr as well). If you need newer than version 24, mozilla.debian.net provides the latest packges |
| 05:05.24 | ZitZ | hey, i think i disabled the grub screen, now i want to get into single user mode and I don't know how |
| 05:05.42 | ZitZ | and I can't boot into the OS to do it, otherwise I would |
| 05:05.49 | somiaj | addaitech: but at this point depending on how you installed those two pieces of software you coudl have did some unknown changes to your system. |
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| 05:06.25 | addaitech | havent updated chrome in ages, it just started doing it today |
| 05:06.37 | addaitech | maybe its something with sid |
| 05:06.42 | somiaj | ZitZ: do you even get a grub boot screen you can open a grub console? |
| 05:06.42 | zr0 | blech, i give up |
| 05:06.52 | techtick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.15 | somiaj | ZitZ: a live cd image or using the resuce feature of the debian installer images could help you recover your grub. |
| 05:07.23 | ZitZ | somiaj: i can try pressing c, but it goes right into starting the ramdisk |
| 05:08.07 | techtick | ouch |
| 05:08.11 | somiaj | ZitZ: if there is not time to get into the grub console to change boot paramaters a live cd would probabaly be the best bet. |
| 05:08.28 | ZitZ | somiaj: yeah, i'm pulling out a rescue usb right now, hopefully i have one that is i386 |
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| 05:09.05 | somiaj | ZitZ: does the processor you are using rung amd64 (cause you can work in a i386 userland/chrrot just fine) |
| 05:09.16 | techtick | Zitz: because i386 supports usb boot? |
| 05:10.09 | ZitZ | techtick: some do, i'm not even sure this old thing does. I hope so because I'm lazy. lol |
| 05:10.27 | techtick | Zitz: hope is your computer lol |
| 05:10.43 | ZitZ | yeah, it does i'm in a live cd now |
| 05:11.55 | ZitZ | i was just being lazy, i tried pressing c and e to get into grub somehow, but it just kept booting the kernel. |
| 05:12.04 | zr0 | so how do i roll back all of the backported packages i've installed? |
| 05:12.06 | ZitZ | wondering if anyone else had another idea |
| 05:12.19 | somiaj | zr0: you will have to manually downgrade them one at a time |
| 05:12.26 | somiaj | !tell zr0 about downgrade |
| 05:12.40 | techtick | ZitZ: there are other ways but i better dont tell;) |
| 05:12.46 | zr0 | lovely |
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| 05:17.50 | techtick | anyone ipv6, got some issues i did not resolve yet |
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| 05:22.19 | addaitech | techtick: what the issues? |
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| 05:22.44 | techtick | addaitech: you forgot to change profile |
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| 05:23.12 | techtick | addaitech: first of all how come ipv6 is enabled for interfaces but not configured |
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| 05:24.38 | techtick | addaitech: second is configuration issues and services using ipv6 |
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| 05:27.13 | techtick | well ipv6 is a big security issue |
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| 05:28.38 | techtick | more worse is the ipv6toipv4 translation!!! |
| 05:28.55 | themill | dpkg: tell techtick about ask |
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| 05:32.12 | techtick | askew: i have the problem to get the right configuration for ipv6. other question is how to disable all ipv6 right. |
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| 05:33.29 | themill | "I have a problem" is not what dpkg suggested... |
| 05:35.11 | techtick | themill: tell the right dokumentation for ipv6, the todays documentoin is tell many ways but not a clear way how to do. 1. solution disabling all ipv6, second solution doing ipv6 in a save way. (for my sell i did a firewall and tried o disable all) |
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| 05:36.19 | GTRsdk | My mail server went down... When I just ran 'telnet localhost 25' and tried to send a message, I got 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfs3656Dmf005227 (bfcommit, uid=0, gid=116): No such file or directory |
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| 05:36.40 | themill | dpkg: tell techtick about noipv6 |
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| 05:37.24 | mintled | HTML5, better or worse for your privacy? |
| 05:37.49 | techtick | thx, this helped. |
| 05:38.00 | nkuttler | mintled: do you have any debian-related questions? |
| 05:38.30 | techtick | mintled: HTML5 is not topic of debian... its just a standard, a greater set of tags, nothing more |
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| 05:39.19 | themill | just like ipv6... |
| 05:40.19 | mintled | I am getting conflicting information on it, I am by no means familiar with HTML5 that much. But if it is not appropriate to discuss it here, please let me know what you think is a good channel for that |
| 05:40.44 | bazhang | ##security |
| 05:41.02 | techtick | themill: cant compare!ipv6 is changing hole connectifity and security |
| 05:41.39 | mintled | How do you get t ##security on xchat? thanks |
| 05:42.00 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.07 | mintled | Thanks |
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| 05:42.47 | techtick | mintled: as HTML5 is a standard but not all browsers support the standards its a little difficult |
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| 05:43.57 | themill | techtick: not really. Perhaps you have specific questions and then people can answer them... until that time, you're not going to get very far. |
| 05:44.08 | themill | GTRsdk: what MTA are you using? |
| 05:45.01 | techtick | themill: dont like to bother, stay cool |
| 05:45.23 | GTRsdk | themill: Citadel |
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| 05:48.39 | themill | GTRsdk: egads. It sounds like it's struggling to save the message in a temporary location -- no idea where citadel wants to do that or at what stage (receipt, spam/virus scanning, delivery to the user, ...). First thing to do would be to make sure you've got free disk space on the machine. |
| 05:49.17 | GTRsdk | according to Solus, the machine is only using about 55% of the disk |
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| 05:53.12 | techtick | GTRsdk: did you check mail logs, maybe its telling if path write able or username problem. |
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| 05:54.09 | themill | GTRsdk: I wouldn't trust some random web panel to report these sorts of details, and I'd be looking at the MTA's logs to find out more. |
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| 06:05.38 | mintled | I got booted from Ubunto. Those intolerant jerks |
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| 06:16.16 | GTRsdk | I need to get email up ASAP, so I'm considering going ot postfix+dovecot+roundcube |
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| 06:17.18 | themill | mintled: perhaps you should stick to on-topic things? |
| 06:17.19 | GTRsdk | but shoudl I be able to do that without a reinstall/redeploy of the system |
| 06:18.56 | GTRsdk | ? |
| 06:19.09 | GTRsdk | or do I have to reinstall the whole system? |
| 06:19.17 | techtick | normaly not |
| 06:19.27 | techtick | never heard of roundcube so... |
| 06:19.56 | themill | GTRsdk: migrating mail from one setup to another can be a pain. Also is this actually a debian system or is it SolusOS? |
| 06:20.26 | GTRsdk | Debian system |
| 06:20.37 | GTRsdk | my VPS host does SolusVM for their control panel |
| 06:22.13 | techtick | migration can be pain, if you just like to setup, just deinstall and wipeout configs |
| 06:23.34 | techtick | SolusVM tell |
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| 06:24.27 | GTRsdk | SolusVM... this http://www.solusvm.com/ |
| 06:24.39 | techtick | oh thx |
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| 06:28.03 | techtick | vms are good solution for bringing servers in a clear state |
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| 06:31.15 | GTRsdk | I'm wondering if I should actually just install on another machine and point mail to that and call it a night, as I know that there will be many emails that the system will be hit with |
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| 06:31.30 | GTRsdk | as Citadel has been down for about 16 hours |
| 06:31.41 | techtick | ouch |
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| 06:32.02 | techtick | best for this is doing 2 servers with same config, so you can balance |
| 06:33.14 | techtick | you got mx record, so you can do a fast setup and point mails till its solved |
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| 06:34.27 | techtick | best is having such things in your own dns server, for responding quick to issues |
| 06:35.16 | techtick | or config a round ribbon |
| 06:36.17 | GTRsdk | How exactly would the 2 servers work as far as redundancy goes though and yet still have the data? |
| 06:36.40 | GTRsdk | because wouldn't logging in if someone had a new acccount, only work on the first server? |
| 06:37.51 | techtick | dont know how the setup is and for what, so depends, you can have a shared pool for data or you do a master slave setup |
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| 06:40.05 | techtick | one setup is with two servers for access and a pool or database server, the other is keeping both servers in sync |
| 06:42.12 | techtick | keeping servers in sync is a it task not that easy to solve in some cases, depends on load |
| 06:43.29 | techtick | or you just use the master and syc the slave and switch back to slave if master crashes |
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| 06:45.14 | techtick | well for example google uses many frontend server vms, feeding a datapool, so when vm gest attackt they just shutdown and start a fresh vm |
| 06:46.10 | techtick | needs a configuration with two networkcards for a save way, not supported by all vm solutions |
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| 06:50.07 | techtick | well there are fake google frontends too, by the way |
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| 06:52.06 | techtick | well internet is liquid data there is no garanty |
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| 06:53.46 | techtick | its a hard one to get it up and right |
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| 07:24.10 | haridas | Hi, I was checking the version of the ruby interpreter on jessie https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&searchon=names&keywords=ruby1.9 - The package name showing ruby1.9.1 but actually on the description it's ruby1.9.3 . Is this normal ? |
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| 07:27.46 | techtick | and what does installation tell |
| 07:28.50 | haridas | techtick: Same, the package name is ruby1.9.1 , but if you check ruby --version will get versioin as 1.9.3 |
| 07:30.17 | techtick | so maybe package name is kept for compatebility, or they still on work, migrating it. does a ruby 1.9.3 on ruby site exist? |
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| 07:31.45 | techtick | did no ruby coding for long, one big implementation step was 1.8 to 1.9 |
| 07:32.09 | haridas | techtick: Yeah, old stable version is the 1.9.3, and current stable version is Ruby-2.1.1, So I think you are right, so it's under migration process. |
| 07:32.36 | techtick | lol |
| 07:32.54 | techtick | maybe backcheck how it is on wheezy |
| 07:34.29 | techtick | i dont got all package lists of this thousand packages in mind. sorry |
| 07:34.49 | haridas | techtick: Hmm.. on wheezy also named it same way, version is 1.9.3 but package name is ruby-1.9.1 |
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| 07:35.13 | haridas | techtick: I think there might be some reason to keep it this way ?? |
| 07:35.37 | techtick | yes could be compatebility |
| 07:35.49 | FreddyFlatFoot | " Ruby uses two parallel versioning schemes: the `Ruby library compatibility version' (1.9.1 for this package), which is |
| 07:35.50 | FreddyFlatFoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:36.21 | FreddyFlatFoot | sorry |
| 07:36.22 | techtick | lol |
| 07:36.28 | FreddyFlatFoot | try to be helpful... |
| 07:36.28 | babilen | FreddyFlatFlood |
| 07:36.33 | FreddyFlatFoot | lol |
| 07:36.51 | babilen | Sure, just remember to not paste more than two lines at the same time :D |
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| 07:37.11 | FreddyFlatFoot | fyi that text came from running "$ aptitude show ruby1.9.3" in wheezy |
| 07:37.20 | techtick | well flooding looks a bit different too |
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| 07:37.29 | FreddyFlatFoot | I thought it was going to be one line, but I copy/pasted from terminal :O sorry |
| 07:37.36 | babilen | np |
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| 07:40.00 | haridas | FreddyFlatFoot: Hmm.. the dev package for the ruby is - "ruby1.9.1-dev" .. |
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| 07:41.02 | FreddyFlatFoot | in wheezy there is also a "ruby1.9.1" package, which aptitude informs me is veresion 1.9.3 |
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| 07:41.38 | FreddyFlatFoot | I don't really know what any of this means, but I had a wheezy console up so figured I'd provide some info for whoever was asking about this (wasn't me) |
| 07:41.49 | haridas | FreddyFlatFoot: Yeah, I saw that.. confusing for freshers :) |
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| 07:57.56 | BCMM | i've just upgraded the kernel on a wheezy machine (2.6 to 3.2). it's working fine except that the graphics driver (intel) now thinks there is an imaginary DVI monitor plugged in as well as the real VGA monitor. it thinks the imaginary monitor only supports 1024x768, so when it defaults to clone mode, the real monitor doesn't come up at default resolution |
| 07:58.19 | BCMM | what's the cleanest way to permanently disable a "monitor"? |
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| 08:06.16 | eptalon | heyas |
| 08:06.54 | eptalon | where do I find java 8 in debian (sid/experimental)? |
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| 08:12.15 | babilen | eptalon: The release from the 18th of last month has not yet been packaged - you could build it yourself or install Oracle's version with java-package. |
| 08:12.38 | eptalon | babilen: you have a link? |
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| 08:12.40 | jelly-home | is openjdk8 out at all? |
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| 08:13.11 | eptalon | jelly-home: Oracle released a version like two weeks ago |
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| 08:13.27 | eptalon | jelly-home: which is the official java8 |
| 08:14.12 | jelly-home | so... no separate openjdk and oracle jdk tarballs any more? Nice |
| 08:14.14 | eptalon | jelly-home: Since I have a project where I often use anon iner classes, I thought about switching to java8 |
| 08:14.45 | eptalon | jelly-home: OpenJDK has been the reference implementation for java7 as well. |
| 08:15.23 | eptalon | So unless you need PKI-realted functionality, no reason to get the Oracle version. |
| 08:15.50 | babilen | eptalon: For build instructions or java-package? |
| 08:15.51 | eptalon | Same, btw. for JavaFX, which is not in OpenJDK, I think. |
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| 08:16.36 | eptalon | babilen: I guess I can apt-get install java-package, so probably build instructions |
| 08:16.57 | babilen | eptalon: .oO( google "openjdk 8 build" ) |
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| 08:18.16 | eptalon | jelly-home: So I guess, for 90% of the users, OpenJDK will do just fine. |
| 08:18.49 | martin3z | firefox slow down for me whet i load page with flash, i use flashplugin-nonfree. any ideas how to speed up, or other fast web browser in repo? i use jessie |
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| 08:21.31 | jelly-home | ah, changelog for java-package (0.53) mentions java 8 tarball support |
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| 08:23.04 | martin3z | i google about 10 browsers for debian. don't know what to choose. i need _very_ lightweight one. what u recommend? |
| 08:23.25 | wols | dillo |
| 08:23.35 | martin3z | it uspports flash? |
| 08:23.42 | wols | martin3z: what hardware (cpu+ram)? |
| 08:23.53 | FreddyFlatFoot | I tried to make my eth0 static IP and now eth0 doesn't come up at all. What log files can I look in to see what's wrong? |
| 08:23.56 | wols | there is no lightweight browser that suppports flash. and flash isn't lightweight either |
| 08:24.12 | martin3z | uh, how to check cpu+ram? |
| 08:24.17 | wols | FreddyFlatFoot: how did you set the static ip? |
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| 08:24.38 | FreddyFlatFoot | wols: I edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:24.43 | eptalon | martin3z: Personally I use Firefox and Chrome, but I don't know whether they are very lightweighz |
| 08:24.45 | FreddyFlatFoot | I just did it on another machine the same way and it worked there |
| 08:24.50 | wols | FreddyFlatFoot: then pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please |
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| 08:26.36 | martin3z | ok i try dillo then, better than slowing down, heavy iceweasel, and more convenient than w3m, thanks |
| 08:27.12 | petern_ | Heh, both Firefox and Chrome started off as lightweight alternatives... not so much now though. |
| 08:27.45 | wols | lightweight alternative compared to what? |
| 08:28.04 | BCMM | mozilla suite, in Fx's case |
| 08:28.11 | FreddyFlatFoot | wols: Ah - I fixed it. Apparently regular lines can't include trailing #comments |
| 08:28.21 | martin3z | i tried arora before also, and chrome, both was too slow, hanging sometimes |
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| 08:28.38 | Anuska | Hey, how shutdown hibernate in debian? |
| 08:28.50 | Anuska | drunks & linux |
| 08:29.01 | wols | Anuska: shutdown or hibernate or prevent from hibernating. your question is not clear |
| 08:29.08 | BCMM | i switched from moz suite to firefox because it didn't use all my ram. 10 years late, firefox often uses too much of my ram |
| 08:29.49 | Anuska | wols, becouse i am a little drunk :P:P |
| 08:30.18 | mintled | Deutsch Frauen |
| 08:30.22 | Anuska | i have opened a lot of brwoser in my debian, and i want to disable the hibernate |
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| 08:30.41 | Anuska | becouse i think the computer enter in hibernate and the browser not refreshed anymore |
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| 08:31.09 | FreddyFlatFoot | you mean "how do you disable hibernate" ? |
| 08:32.15 | Anuska | YES |
| 08:32.34 | Anuska | girls & alchools |
| 08:32.54 | Anuska | please |
| 08:33.38 | eptalon | is out of alcohol, and has all the girls stowed away... |
| 08:34.59 | Anuska | eptalon, you wanna die alone? |
| 08:35.05 | Anuska | in darkness? |
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| 08:35.28 | Anuska | the girls are the light of man. |
| 08:35.49 | Anuska | the boys are in the darkness without gils |
| 08:35.56 | Anuska | girls* |
| 08:36.44 | jelly-home | don't drink and irc, they said |
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| 08:37.13 | Anuska | i like irc |
| 08:37.17 | Anuska | asl plz :) |
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| 08:37.52 | martin3z | dillo is amazingly fast, but just styles are messed |
| 08:38.28 | Anuska | time to sleep |
| 08:38.39 | Anuska | cya boys. |
| 08:39.20 | Anuska | DRINK ALCHOOL AND DO LOVE ! DO NOT USED DRUGS |
| 08:39.21 | miss0r | This happens all the time when I log on - the good company goes bye bye |
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| 08:41.02 | babilen | Anuska: Please, take it elsewhere (I'd suggest bed) and keep in mind that working on anything is much easier sober. |
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| 08:42.57 | martin3z | q |
| 08:43.08 | martin3z | sorry |
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| 08:44.32 | martin3z | i need to change sth in pdf, which is a scan. do you know any tools from repo to do it? |
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| 08:45.49 | Omilun | hellw |
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| 08:46.27 | wols | scans are probably simply images inside a pdf. not really editable then. I suggest to extract all pictures from the pdf, edit them, and then create a new pdf from that |
| 08:46.48 | wols | pdf2html can extract them |
| 08:46.57 | martin3z | ok, thx i try |
| 08:47.03 | wols | if you have actual text in a pdf you can use inkscape |
| 08:47.32 | Omilun | ex me i have a q ... how can i make a shortcut from Mozilla Thunderbird ? |
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| 08:48.45 | Omilun | i can ron only on my shell |
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| 08:49.23 | Omilun | run * |
| 08:49.48 | Ast001 | hello is there some manual how to chroot from knoppix to Debian system I need to fix grub boot loader. |
| 08:50.11 | Ast001 | attempt to do so gave me chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 08:50.44 | jelly-home | Ast001: make sure you're not booting a 32bit kernel and trying to chroot into a 64bit installation, that won't work |
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| 08:51.36 | Ast001 | system is amd64 on Debian on Knoppix I don't know |
| 08:51.44 | jelly-home | Ast001: what does uname -a say? |
| 08:51.48 | Omilun | [Tristan]: hello can u help me? |
| 08:52.22 | Ast001 | inux Microknoppix 3.6.11 #12 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 20 04:04:10 CET 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:52.35 | jelly-home | Ast001: see that i686 bit? That means 32bit. |
| 08:52.42 | martin3z | ok, so how now i can make pdf from many png files? |
| 08:52.53 | Ast001 | how can I boot from live cd and chroot on Debian 64 bit ? |
| 08:53.02 | jelly-home | get a 64bit livecd |
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| 08:53.20 | wols | jelly-home: would booting from a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland work too? |
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| 08:53.58 | jelly-home | wols: if the 64bit kernel also has 32bit support, yes. That feature is usually enabled. |
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| 08:54.26 | jelly-home | oh, I misread |
| 08:54.33 | jelly-home | wols: just "yes" |
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| 08:55.15 | Ast001 | but on knoppix web site i just can see version not arhitecture. |
| 08:55.28 | Ast001 | does debian have live cd for 64 bit ? |
| 08:55.36 | wols | !live |
| 08:55.37 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:55.39 | wols | yes it does |
| 08:56.46 | jelly-home | http://grml.org/ is a pretty nice live image for rescue purposes |
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| 08:59.14 | Ast001 | ok thanks |
| 08:59.17 | Omilun | any body help me? |
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| 09:08.46 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 09:08.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:10.04 | wols | Omilun: it depends on your desktop environment. and why can't you use debian icedove? |
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| 09:11.32 | babilen | wols: That would be too easy as it would be well integrated to begin with! ;) |
| 09:11.40 | Omilun | wols: i like original thunderbirds |
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| 09:12.17 | babilen | Omilun: Icedove *is* Thunderbird just like Iceweasel *is* Firefox -- The main difference is that the Debian packages are well integrated with the rest of the system. |
| 09:12.21 | jelly-home | Omilun: make a .desktop file like /usr/share/applications/icedove.desktop and put the correct path into the Exec line |
| 09:12.23 | Omilun | wols: i use google-chrome and firefox too but |
| 09:12.37 | Omilun | babilen: i know |
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| 09:13.20 | babilen | Omilun: So you have to options now: You can either provide the integration for Tunderbird yourself (as indicated by jelly-home) or you could use the Icedove package provided by Debian. (slightly?) Newer versions can be found on http://mozilla.debian.net if that is the real problem |
| 09:13.45 | Omilun | jelly-home: i need use only thunderbird shortcut ... icedove is good but i like thunderbird :D |
| 09:14.18 | jelly-home | Omilun: sure. Make a copy of that text file and adapt its contents. |
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| 09:14.24 | babilen | Omilun: Yes, so create a .desktop file for it. jelly-home is simply suggesting to base your thunderbird one on the icedove one shipped by Debian |
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| 09:15.10 | jelly-home | put it into... /usr/local/share/applications/ maybe? I've never tried doing this. |
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| 09:15.32 | Omilun | jelly-home & babilen : i need macke a short cut on my app list |
| 09:15.39 | babilen | Omilun: You might also want to ask thunderbird upstream as they might have a .desktop file already |
| 09:15.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell Omilun -about thunderbird |
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| 09:16.30 | jelly-home | Omilun: and the .desktop file is how an application menu entry and a shortcut looks like, on the filesystem |
| 09:17.03 | babilen | Omilun: But then, use icedove and iceweasel and be done with it |
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| 09:17.25 | Omilun | jelly-home & babilen : lol ok thx men |
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| 09:25.52 | Omilun | dpkg: lol on thunderbird chanl have any usr :D only debian user ... i love debian's user |
| 09:25.53 | dpkg | Omilun: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request |
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| 09:37.58 | V^V | dpkg: tell me something that I don't know |
| 09:38.17 | V^V | dpkg: heh |
| 09:38.18 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
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| 09:38.48 | babilen | V^V: Please don't play with the bot |
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| 09:41.49 | Sbroker` | Hi from Spain |
| 09:42.04 | babilen | ... |
| 09:42.24 | Sbroker` | .... |
| 09:42.36 | babilen | Sbroker`: Just do this in #debian-offtopic and everybody is happy and nobody has to check the channel because it became active for no good reason. |
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| 09:43.14 | Sbroker` | the next time I ll join to the channel in silence... |
| 09:43.20 | Sbroker` | better ? |
| 09:43.47 | babilen | yes, much! :) |
| 09:44.50 | Sbroker` | the first channel where is prohibited greet |
| 09:45.03 | Sbroker` | in the history or irc... |
| 09:45.24 | Sbroker` | *of |
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| 09:46.14 | rgr | its not prohibites. |
| 09:46.57 | themill | Sbroker`: it's about the signal:noise. Perhaps you could take that into account before you continue to ramble |
| 09:47.13 | V^V | #occupy-#debian for that |
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| 09:48.01 | V^V | anyway... I was going to ask, how do you check the integrity of all installed files with dpkg/apt ? |
| 09:48.08 | V^V | cant find that |
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| 09:48.23 | Sbroker` | Noise? in the irc? I dont understand... |
| 09:48.28 | themill | dpkg: tell V^V about debsums |
| 09:48.31 | V^V | (guess I wasn't going to ask but "asked" instead) |
| 09:49.20 | V^V | themill: ty |
| 09:49.35 | rgr | Sbroker: just nod and agree. Some people are in charge... |
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| 09:50.38 | V^V | another question... if some pkg has a bugged post-install script and bugs apt, can apt be forced to remove the package with no complains at all? |
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| 09:51.14 | themill | V^V: irc doesn't do hypothetical cases very well |
| 09:51.23 | V^V | last time I used debian like 4 years ago, a haskell pkg was bugged and I just couldnt get it fixed |
| 09:51.39 | V^V | themill: name it "case scenario" |
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| 09:52.01 | jpw | cannot reproduce |
| 09:52.04 | Sbroker` | In Spain greeting is a good education standar when un join to a place... |
| 09:52.40 | Sbroker` | but ,not problem never more |
| 09:52.42 | themill | V^V: "it depends" is as good as you're going to get unless we've got something specific to debug |
| 09:52.49 | V^V | beecause that is the only thing that keeps me from using debian distros |
| 09:53.14 | V^V | themill: I have given an specific example |
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| 09:53.36 | V^V | and I am not playing rude nor being trollinsh. I am asking a question |
| 09:53.50 | themill | V^V: that's not a specific example -- can you show me the apt output? can you pastebin the maintainer scripts for me? |
| 09:54.19 | themill | V^V: it's always possible to fix this but exactly how depends on the specific situation. Come here and ask if this ever happens with debian. |
| 09:54.49 | V^V | I guess that the answer then is not |
| 09:55.05 | themill | the answer is "it depends". I'm not sure how else to express that. |
| 09:55.08 | jpw | V^V: The point is that if there is a bug then it needs to be fixed and it starts with a bug report or a chat on IRC. this needs to be handled case by case. |
| 09:55.45 | jpw | There is no magic apt-fix command. |
| 09:55.46 | V^V | but let me ask: Can I force dpkg/apt to 'force uninstall' a pkg which pre and post install are bugged? |
| 09:55.57 | themill | V^V: "it depends". |
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| 09:57.32 | V^V | then the answer is NO. Since equo, rpm, pacman and portage CAN, then I will check Debian again in the next year to see if that is finally implemented and maybe install Debian again, that, aside from that, is usually a very good distro. |
| 09:57.37 | V^V | Thank you for the info. |
| 09:58.38 | themill | V^V: no, your interpretation is incorrect, but have fun |
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| 10:00.14 | jpw | V^V: I giess the way to force uninstallation would be "dpkg -L pkgname | xargs rm -rf" but that would be a silly thing to do. |
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| 10:13.16 | Norbertos | Hi there ! |
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| 10:18.10 | Sbroker` | Norbertos, shhhhh dont make noise... |
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| 10:20.27 | amigamagic | hi, someone knows how to mount "automatically" a cdrom in xfce from debian jessie ? |
| 10:20.36 | coreb1te | hi everyone! |
| 10:20.38 | amigamagic | in gnome it is automounted... Can i do that in xfce too? |
| 10:20.58 | Norbertos | May I ask how many passes does "badblocks" use ? I executed "badblocks -c 10240 -wsv /dev/sda". This is my current progress: http://paste.debian.net/plain/92011 |
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| 10:21.35 | Norbertos | amigamagic: I'd use /etc/fstab to do this. |
| 10:23.06 | amigamagic | Norbertos, I have this in the fstab: /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9600 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 10:23.16 | Norbertos | If one want to surely set an automount, keyboard shortcuts, etc. then "low level" methods are great. I mean, it's not always the best idea to let the DE do these things. |
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| 10:24.26 | Norbertos | amigamagic: AFAIK writing "auto" to the options will mount it automatically at boot time. Anyway, it's a perfect line ! Just replace noauto with auto. |
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| 10:24.39 | amigamagic | I'm used to gnome, so when I insert a cd/dvd it automountes it and will display a link to it somewhere, so that I could easly browse its content |
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| 10:25.10 | amigamagic | this means that in the gnome debian that row is set at "auto" in fstab? |
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| 10:27.03 | amigamagic | I don't want to automount the cd only at boot time... I would want to mount a cd when I insert it in the cd-tray... |
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| 10:27.29 | Norbertos | amigamagic: I don't know exactly, though it will mount at boot. It means, when you "ls -a /media/cdrom0" you will see it's contents, or if you do "thunar /media/cdrom0" it opens thunar at the location. If there isn't any "link" on the left pane in Thunar, you can easily add a GTK bookmark. This can be done by navigating to /media, then drag&drop "cdrom0" to the left pane. |
| 10:28.19 | amigamagic | Norbertos, what happens then if I insert the cd after some time? (not at boot time) |
| 10:28.28 | Norbertos | amigamagic: Oh, sorry I misunderstood you. :) Well, I guess Thunar do some kind of automounting check it's settings. :) |
| 10:28.38 | Norbertos | Well, I don't know. :S |
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| 10:30.08 | movrax | amigamagic: you can use udev for that |
| 10:30.18 | movrax | to detect disc insertion and do a proper mount |
| 10:30.23 | movrax | and the same thing on eject |
| 10:30.26 | movrax | but unmount it |
| 10:30.46 | amigamagic | the funny thing is that I have a "Floppy Disk" icon on the desktop... Who uses floppy disks today? :D |
| 10:31.14 | movrax | amigamagic: not the best example out there, however it should give you the idea -> http://privatepaste.com/192f0cb41f |
| 10:31.18 | amigamagic | If I right-click on the floppy icon, there is the option to "mount" the volume |
| 10:31.32 | amigamagic | so there should be something like that for the cd/dvd too, I thought... |
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| 10:31.59 | amigamagic | movrax, thanks for the link |
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| 10:32.24 | amigamagic | but I would like to know if it's normal that in xfce cd/dvd are not automounted when you insert them |
| 10:32.30 | hyper_ch | Hi there, I just tried setting up a new computer with 2x 4TB in Raid1... the problem is that the installer complained about no EFI partition. I did create a 100mb partition on both disks for biosgrub and when I reboot now, the computer goes straight into bios |
| 10:32.33 | amigamagic | or it is a problem related to debian jessie |
| 10:34.17 | amigamagic | if I remember right, in xubuntu (that uses xfce too as default DE) the cd/dvd are automounted... So it's a debian issue? |
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| 10:39.29 | movrax | amigamagic: if you're using thunar there are actually 4 boolean settings in Settings -> Settings Editor under "thunar-volman" |
| 10:39.47 | movrax | two of them seem to be related to automount, automount-drives and automount-media |
| 10:40.08 | movrax | you could try those |
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| 10:40.37 | movrax | sadly I don't have any dvd/cd drives connected so I can't confirm if it works |
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| 10:44.12 | fol_tempus | hyper_ch: generally speaking, you could just use a 1MB "bios_grub"-flagged partition; just make sure that such partition is at the beginning of the disk(s) for potential compatibility issues |
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| 10:44.31 | hyper_ch | fol_tempus: that's what I did |
| 10:44.36 | hyper_ch | I gave it 100mb |
| 10:45.01 | BenNZ | hi having trouble with crontab , my crontab im trying to setup is 42 22 * * * /home/ben/.bin/notify-cook , that script runs notify-send -t 0 -i /home/ben/Pictures/rest.jpg "Time To" "Start Cooking" fine when i start it from terminal but not as a cron job , anyone know what im doing wrong |
| 10:45.04 | fol_tempus | that's more than enough |
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| 10:45.13 | hyper_ch | no working |
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| 10:45.45 | BenNZ | oops i mean i can run /home/ben/.bin/notify-cook from terminal successfully |
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| 10:47.01 | amigamagic | movrax, you are right, the options were all disabled |
| 10:47.20 | amigamagic | but now I have enabled and nothing happens... I have to reboot? |
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| 10:49.34 | amigamagic | AFter rebooting, now appear to works... I wonder why those option were disabled... All the other DE enable them by default... |
| 10:49.50 | amigamagic | I see the cd icon on the desktop |
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| 10:55.28 | aiRness | Hello. Is this way for creating debian packages recommended? https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
| 10:55.44 | amigamagic | but, it doesn't work well, because if I don't insert the cd at boot time, its icon will not display on the desktop |
| 10:55.50 | amigamagic | so it's a bug of debian jessie |
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| 10:56.12 | nkuttler | aiRness: no |
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| 10:56.50 | aiRness | nkuttler: can you please if you have time explain briefly the reasons? |
| 10:57.09 | aiRness | because I need to create either my own script which will follow the debian standards or fpm |
| 10:57.28 | nkuttler | aiRness: debian has it's own tools to build packages |
| 10:57.50 | aiRness | nkuttler: yes I'm aware of that, I'm asking about the differences |
| 10:58.02 | aiRness | why this is not recommended |
| 10:58.13 | aiRness | I've never used it |
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| 10:59.22 | amigamagic | Generally speaking I like gnome, but debian stable has an old gnome version (3.4) that I don't like. Debian jessie comes with XFCE as a default DE, but that is much more minimal (and bad configurated) than XFCE in other distro... Maybe debian team should reconsider the XFCE choice for next debian? |
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| 11:01.24 | hyper_ch | fol_tempus: looks like I don't have to create the bios grub partitions but efi partitins instead |
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| 11:02.02 | nkuttler | amigamagic: it's called testing for a reason |
| 11:02.29 | amigamagic | The strange thing on the auto-mount problem is that if you launch XFburn, you will see the cd icon on the desktop. So, as a workaround, you have to launch XFburn if you want to mount the cdrom from the DE |
| 11:02.55 | qsuscs | does testing already use systemd by default? |
| 11:03.10 | nkuttler | qsuscs: no |
| 11:03.17 | aiRness | so basically what I don't like about fpm is the treatment of the control file |
| 11:03.34 | aiRness | but can somebody explain with arguments why "external" tools are not recommended? |
| 11:03.51 | amigamagic | nkuttler, I know that it's testing, but this shouldn't mean that the system should be so messed up... I mean, many guys told me that debian unstable is pretty much usable for desktop users, so I thought "testing" was much better |
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| 11:04.18 | nkuttler | amigamagic: obviously many guys lied to yo |
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| 11:04.19 | qsuscs | hmm, systemd has a automount feature, i've never used it, but i think it could do that |
| 11:04.48 | nkuttler | qsuscs: what do you mean? |
| 11:04.50 | amigamagic | nkuttler, yes this should be the case :D |
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| 11:05.01 | qsuscs | different guys have different definitions of "usable"… i mean, i use gentoo unstable on my workstation, it's prefectly okay for me |
| 11:05.20 | aiRness | amigamagic: actually I'm using unstable on my desktop for over 10 years |
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| 11:05.45 | amigamagic | when I think of "usable", I think that the system should be usable by not much experienced guys without problems |
| 11:06.05 | amigamagic | and this is not the case with the actual debian testing |
| 11:06.25 | qsuscs | nkuttler: i've never used, so i don't know what it's capable of, but maybe it could help in that case… but as testing still comes with sysv by default, it doesn't matter anyway |
| 11:06.31 | aiRness | amigamagic: it is usable. |
| 11:06.43 | amigamagic | maybe I would be luckier with the unstable... :D |
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| 11:08.31 | amigamagic | the stable debian was ok, but it lacks some recent drivers for some vga and the gnome 3.4 has many usability problems for me. I wanted to try gnome 3.8 so I installed the debian jessie but... It has XFCE as default DE... :D |
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| 11:08.50 | nkuttler | amigamagic: if you want gnome just install it.. |
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| 11:09.41 | amigamagic | nkuttler, I know, it was the curiosity of understanding why that damned cd icon didn't display on the XFCE desktop... :) |
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| 11:10.03 | fol_tempus | hyper_ch: eh, EF02 != EF00 - I hope you got it working now |
| 11:10.14 | nkuttler | amigamagic: if you want help with testing, #debian-next @ oftc is a support channel |
| 11:10.35 | yottanami | I have Sid on my machine, I want dist-upgrade and I got this error : http://dpaste.com/1772211/ so I use apt-get install -f and I got this error http://dpaste.com/1772212/ I also tried to remvo /var/cache/apt/archives/python-setuptools_3.4.1-1_all.deb but I got error yet |
| 11:10.39 | amigamagic | nkuttler, ok thanks :) |
| 11:10.56 | hyper_ch | fol_tempus: I have no idea what that is, sorry |
| 11:11.09 | hyper_ch | all that efi/uefi should just die IMHO |
| 11:11.24 | qsuscs | all that bios should just die. |
| 11:11.27 | amigamagic | nkuttler, I cannot join that channel... You must be invited... :( |
| 11:11.37 | nkuttler | amigamagic: on the oftc irc network |
| 11:11.47 | amigamagic | ah, sorry |
| 11:11.47 | nkuttler | yottanami: yes, that's a known bug in sid |
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| 11:12.30 | nkuttler | yottanami: if you run sid, at least install apt-listbugs |
| 11:13.07 | yottanami | nkuttler: Is anyway to help to fix bug ? |
| 11:13.20 | nkuttler | yottanami: dpkg --force-help |
| 11:13.58 | nkuttler | yottanami: other than that, wait for a new upload of either setuptools or pyaudio.. |
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| 11:14.55 | yottanami | nkuttler: tnx |
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| 11:22.50 | jubo2 | any suggestions what to use for httpd access.log analysis-'n-summary ? |
| 11:22.54 | yottanami | nkuttler: How can I install apt-listbugs ? "E: Package 'apt-listbugs' has no installation candidate" |
| 11:23.12 | jubo2 | used analog but it's a nightmare to configure |
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| 11:23.53 | Brigo | ,v apt-listbugs |
| 11:23.54 | judd | Package: apt-listbugs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.3; wheezy: 0.1.8+deb7u1; jessie: 0.1.12; sid: 0.1.12 |
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| 11:27.44 | jelly-home | yottanami: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:27.55 | jelly-home | oh, sid |
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| 11:29.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell yottanami about force overwrite |
| 11:29.25 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell yottanami about debian-next |
| 11:30.01 | yottanami | jelly-home: SId |
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| 11:32.10 | Nik05 | how do you correctly reply to a bug report when the maintainer asks somethign? do i also need to send it to the maintainer or just to the bug mail adres? |
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| 11:36.27 | babilen | Nik05: Send it to the bug |
| 11:37.03 | horsik | so i found an old crappy mp3 player and i wonder how to mount it |
| 11:37.05 | horsik | http://pastebin.com/ABuN26XG |
| 11:37.11 | horsik | whatever partition i try gives me this |
| 11:37.15 | horsik | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 11:37.26 | Nik05 | horsik mount /dev/sdb |
| 11:38.09 | Nik05 | it probably doesnt have a partitions, the filesystem is on the hole device |
| 11:38.50 | horsik | Nik05: it works |
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| 11:39.04 | horsik | well that fdisk report was really confusing |
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| 11:39.15 | horsik | so what filesystem does it use? |
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| 11:40.25 | takis1 | hi all, got a timeout issue - wifi ok for the first minute or so but deteriorates shorty after |
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| 11:41.07 | Nik05 | horsik: "This doesn't look like a partition table". Well if its already mounted, just type mount and you can probably see what filesystme it has |
| 11:41.08 | takis1 | got a realtek 8192 backport firmware |
| 11:41.37 | Nik05 | thanks babilen |
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| 11:43.10 | takis1 | realtek firware 0.41 |
| 11:43.32 | horsik | Nik05: fat16 as expected |
| 11:43.35 | average | how much does a symbolic link weigh ? |
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| 11:44.39 | takis1 | any thoughts as to why pages time out? |
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| 11:45.31 | sandman13 | is 'upgrade' option supported in apt-pinning? |
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| 11:49.23 | takis1 | anyone to advise on wifi timeout |
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| 11:56.52 | takis1 | anyone to advise on wifi timeout |
| 11:56.55 | takis1 | ? |
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| 11:57.16 | zir0faive | average: I'd say 1 disk block |
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| 11:57.32 | Nik05 | takis1 sorry no idea |
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| 11:58.25 | hyper_ch | fol_tempus: that fixed it |
| 11:58.36 | takis1 | Nik05: no prob nik05 |
| 11:59.27 | takis1 | anyone else to advise on wifi timeout plz? |
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| 12:01.16 | zir0faive | takis1: you may want to be a tad more specific |
| 12:01.20 | SynrG | takis1: using which encryption? |
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| 12:03.58 | relipse | do you guys know hwo to set up linux to use smtp for defautl mail() functionality? i can't remember where that is set up |
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| 12:07.25 | hyper_ch | lol, I just failed so hard: apt-get install dropbox busybear .... how could I mix them up :) |
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| 12:07.57 | relipse | where would i find my mail() configuration files |
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| 12:10.55 | tbx1024 | relipse: /etc/mail/ ? |
| 12:11.13 | relipse | how do i grep all files in there |
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| 12:11.49 | nkuttler | relipse: what do you mean by mail() ? |
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| 12:13.05 | relipse | a while ago i configured php mail() to automatically use SMTP |
| 12:13.27 | relipse | but then i accidentally forgot my password |
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| 12:13.37 | relipse | so i changed it and now all my mail() no longer works |
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| 12:14.39 | takis1 | zirOfaive: on wired network all well - when on wifi all well for the first min or so - then deteriorates and times out - realtek 8192 -firmware-realtek from backports 4.01 |
| 12:14.56 | takis1 | SynrG: WPA-PSK |
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| 12:17.30 | takis1 | zir0faive: do you need more info? |
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| 12:18.33 | takis1 | SynrG: any thoughts? |
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| 12:19.23 | scape_ | Hello, I'm trying to build urho3d which is a 3d engine. It wants 32bit c++ files (like c++config.h) but seems to look in to /usr/include/c++/4.8/bits instead of /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/c++/... |
| 12:19.42 | scape_ | I'm not sure how to fix this, here is a more detailed post on my issue: https://github.com/urho3d/Urho3D/issues/297 |
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| 12:20.30 | scape_ | apparently this builds on ubuntu, but I cannot seem to get it to build on debian :-\ |
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| 12:21.26 | tbx1024 | scape_ : make a symlink? |
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| 12:21.42 | SynrG | takis1: using backports kernel or just backports firmware? |
| 12:22.32 | scape_ | tbx1024: the 64bit file already exists, I wouldn't want to overwrite it with the 32bit symlink right? |
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| 12:23.26 | SynrG | takis1: any dmesg output relating to your wireless interface? (commonly, wlan0) |
| 12:23.34 | takis1 | SynrG: newbie here - have a look on my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/91978 |
| 12:23.46 | takis1 | SynrG: I think only firmware |
| 12:23.46 | Brigo | scape_, i think makefile can be edited for lib searching dirs. |
| 12:23.48 | SynrG | takis1: that doesn't tell me anything |
| 12:23.53 | SynrG | takis1: uname -a |
| 12:23.55 | tbx1024 | scape_: true |
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| 12:24.40 | tbx1024 | scape_ : is there a configure script? |
| 12:24.43 | takis1 | SynrG: sorry - newbie here - Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:25.06 | scape_ | ok, i'll open it up. it actually gets generated from running cmake on the source, which I cloned and hope to keep up to date |
| 12:25.21 | SynrG | takis1: so no, you are not using the backports kernel. you might try it. just apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-686-pae |
| 12:25.34 | scape_ | not that I see :-\ |
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| 12:26.29 | Brigo | scape_, so try cmake or config ... |
| 12:26.37 | takis1 | SynrG: thanks - do you want me to run a new command before a reboot? |
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| 12:27.05 | scape_ | thanks, I'll take a closer look |
| 12:27.18 | SynrG | takis1: nope. just reboot and try the new kernel |
| 12:27.26 | Brigo | scape in some place it has to say compiler where to find the libs. Found it and configure it properly. |
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| 12:34.46 | takis1 | SynrG: no luck |
| 12:34.46 | takis1 | SynrG: same behaviour |
| 12:34.46 | takis1 | SynrG: just spotted that on iceweasel tabs the loading logo |
| 12:35.02 | takis1 | SynrG: spins anticlockwise |
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| 12:35.10 | takis1 | after a few secs |
| 12:35.21 | colonolGron | is there a way to manage ssh connections, and maybe also samba? |
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| 12:36.45 | takis1 | SynrG: as if it is waiting for something |
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| 12:37.50 | akp | hey, what is the name of the kernel for debian that has CONFIG_HZ=1000? |
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| 12:47.48 | SynrG | takis1: uname -a again (just to show the kernel upgrade was successful) |
| 12:48.12 | takis1 | Linux debian 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.13.7-1~bpo70+1 (2014-03-29) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:48.16 | SynrG | akp: is there one? i thought NOHZ was default |
| 12:48.24 | takis1 | SynrG: Linux debian 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.13.7-1~bpo70+1 (2014-03-29) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:48.38 | akp | SynrG: i have no clue, thats why i am asking =) i think there used to be |
| 12:48.41 | spinus | Hi |
| 12:48.48 | akp | a 1000hz kernel, but i dont rememer |
| 12:48.50 | SynrG | takis1: yeah. that's fine. and apt-cache policy firmware-ralink & show the Installed version, please |
| 12:49.07 | SynrG | akp: i'm thinking no. |
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| 12:49.35 | SynrG | akp: why? doesn't NOHZ work for you? |
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| 12:50.08 | takis1 | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/92031/ |
| 12:50.21 | akp | i'm using some VoIP stuff on top, last i checked i needed to use 1000hz for them |
| 12:50.31 | SynrG | takis1: i thought you said you had firmware-ralink ... |
| 12:50.37 | akp | but things might have changed from when i was doing it in the past to now |
| 12:50.40 | takis1 | SynrG: realtek |
| 12:50.47 | SynrG | takis1: then correct my mistake. duh :) |
| 12:50.53 | SynrG | takis1: don't just blindly type |
| 12:51.25 | SynrG | takis1: just remember, you may be a newbie, but *you* are the expert on what you have on your system. |
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| 12:51.39 | SynrG | and helpers can make mistakes |
| 12:51.41 | jiohdi | how do I switch back from nvidia to the standard debian x? |
| 12:51.43 | takis1 | SynrG: appreciated - http://paste.debian.net/92032/ |
| 12:52.05 | SynrG | takis1: looks good. now is wlan0 your wireless interface? if so, dmesg |grep wlan0 |
| 12:52.28 | SynrG | if you don't know, then: |
| 12:52.34 | SynrG | /sbin/iwconfig |
| 12:52.35 | takis1 | SynrG: no, I am on wired at the moment - otherwise it disconnects |
| 12:53.11 | SynrG | takis1: i will need to see dmesg output for when you are on wireless, for the wireless interface, please (which you can see using iwconfig) |
| 12:53.17 | takis1 | SynrG: however, I can switch on wireless to run the command |
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| 12:53.30 | SynrG | some machines have wireless as eth1, for example. |
| 12:53.38 | spinus | Can anyone has maybe experience with ipsec using racoon, racoon-tool, setkey? |
| 12:53.54 | SynrG | in which case i would want to see this instead: dmesg | grep eth1 |
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| 12:54.24 | SynrG | takis1: in 10 minutes i'm heading out. maybe sooner |
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| 12:54.36 | SynrG | others here will be able to help |
| 12:54.54 | akp | SynrG: how can i grab the source for my current kernel? i tried linux-image-$(uname -r) but that seems to pull from SVN |
| 12:55.19 | takis1 | SynrG: noooooooooooooooooooo, you are my last resort |
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| 12:55.46 | SynrG | akp: i don't understand why VoIP would need 1000hz |
| 12:55.49 | takis1 | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/92033/ |
| 12:56.08 | SynrG | akp: it's generally not recommended for users to build kernels from source |
| 12:56.19 | SynrG | if you do, you should have a Really Good Reason |
| 12:56.21 | wols | !tell takis1 about kernel handbook |
| 12:56.31 | wols | SynrG: "because I can" ? |
| 12:56.35 | SynrG | :p |
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| 12:56.37 | akp | 1000hz is neet for handling voice and RTP streams |
| 12:56.50 | akp | if a call is being bridged together or transcoded |
| 12:56.54 | wols | akp: read the kernel handbook |
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| 12:57.40 | SynrG | akp: somewhere i read "nohz=off" is a boot parameter ... |
| 12:57.47 | akp | wols: i want the sources for the kernel that is already on the machine, not a newer one. its not a question of how to compile the kernel |
| 12:58.03 | SynrG | however: |
| 12:58.04 | SynrG | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
| 12:58.06 | SynrG | :p |
| 12:58.11 | akp | SynrG: then i would be using a 250hz kern. i need to either find a 1000hz kernel |
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| 12:58.19 | SynrG | so sad |
| 12:58.21 | takis1 | SynrG: any thoughts on what's wrong? |
| 12:58.33 | wols | akp: and which kernel is this? |
| 12:58.39 | SynrG | takis1: physically close to the AP? |
| 12:58.42 | akp | or rebuild it for the version that is on my machine which is 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:58.46 | takis1 | SynrG: yeap |
| 12:58.51 | SynrG | takis1: got any RF interference in the room? (running microwave, etc.) |
| 12:59.04 | takis1 | SynrG: no! just a sofa! :) |
| 12:59.09 | SynrG | takis1: got any other wireless devices on the network? do they connect OK? |
| 12:59.13 | wols | akp: that is what you get with apt-get source. and the kernel handbook tells you how to do it. so go and read it |
| 12:59.14 | akp | linux-3.2.54 is what i get when i do a apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 12:59.22 | SynrG | takis1: got neighbours with very "loud" competing wifi networks? |
| 12:59.27 | takis1 | SynrG: yes, 2 android phones + 1 tablet - all ok |
| 12:59.33 | akp | wols: well that is not the kernel i am getting. |
| 12:59.41 | SynrG | takis1: is this an internal wifi or external? |
| 12:59.41 | wols | ,kernels |
| 12:59.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 13:00.05 | wols | akp: it is. read the line from judd carefully. 3.2.54-2 is the current debian stable kernel |
| 13:00.27 | SynrG | takis1: less than 5 minutes until i disappear ... |
| 13:00.36 | wols | it just has the package version of 3.2.0-4 |
| 13:00.40 | akp | then i am confused. why is uname -r returning 3.2.0-4 |
| 13:00.56 | akp | hmm ok i guess. |
| 13:00.59 | SynrG | akp: that's correct .debian version# is not upstream point release version# |
| 13:01.53 | SynrG | the -4 is the ABI version#. 3.2.0 is the major version# only (in jessie this is solved by dropping the now useless minor version#) |
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| 13:02.32 | SynrG | takis1: ... |
| 13:03.06 | SynrG | takis1: if external, try a different USB port |
| 13:03.15 | akp | ok, thanks guys. |
| 13:03.18 | relipse | i set up php's default mail() function to use SMTP, then i changed my password and now it is broken? I can't figure out where to change the password back |
| 13:03.24 | SynrG | takis1: if internal, and you've ever opened your system up before, you may have bumped the antenna loose |
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| 13:04.41 | takis1 | SynrG: problem is that I am running out of ideas |
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| 13:04.51 | SynrG | takis1: well, check physical connections |
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| 13:04.57 | SynrG | different USB port. check antenna connection |
| 13:05.03 | takis1 | SynrG: dont know how to proceed - on wire all well |
| 13:05.08 | SynrG | (first applies to external only) |
| 13:05.15 | takis1 | SynrG: on android phones all well |
| 13:05.21 | SynrG | could be power management on wifi screwing up |
| 13:05.23 | SynrG | i have to go now |
| 13:05.24 | SynrG | bye |
| 13:05.31 | takis1 | SynrG: chhers |
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| 13:05.49 | takis1 | anyone to help with wifi issues |
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| 13:06.09 | takis1 | anyone to help with wifi issues- times out after a min or so |
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| 13:13.28 | Alula | Hey guys, got a Ralink 3290 in my HP Envy 17 laptop (running jessie). It was working fine until I ran the last aptitude upgrade & rebooted but now doesn't come up at boot. When I try to manually put the device up, I get this: RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error |
| 13:13.53 | Alula | (That's running sudo ip link set wlan0 up) |
| 13:14.06 | Alula | The driver is rt2800pci -- any ideas? |
| 13:14.41 | wols | check iwconfig output |
| 13:15.50 | Alula | wols: http://paste2.org/2A3kZkJF |
| 13:16.25 | takis1 | wols: can you shed some light on my wifi issue as well? Synrg |
| 13:16.37 | takis1 | wols: can you shed some light on my wifi issue as well? SynrG left |
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| 13:19.58 | Alula | wols: Sadly Greek to me, wifi isn't an area of expertise. |
| 13:20.32 | Alula | 07:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
| 13:20.38 | Alula | That's lspci output |
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| 14:29.23 | Alula | Have done a bit more delving into this wifi issue (RT3290) -- got a lot more diagnostic information but still no closer to getting it working. Any ideas? http://paste2.org/m4s8AMG4 |
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| 15:03.31 | xreal | Can I install a package without ONE recommended one? |
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| 15:04.02 | xreal | davfs2 wants libneon27-gnutls, but I want libneon27 :) |
| 15:04.09 | movrax | xreal: apt-get --no-install-recommends ... ? |
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| 15:04.36 | xreal | movrax: But I want all dependencies, but not this one. |
| 15:04.41 | movrax | ah |
| 15:04.48 | tremon | the other option is to use equivs to create a "fake" libneon27-gnutls package |
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| 15:05.18 | xreal | libneon27-gnutls doesn't have NTLM, libneon27 does .) |
| 15:05.34 | xreal | trmon: does equivs also work for Ubuntu? Is it the same systhematic? |
| 15:05.50 | xreal | tremon: sorry, this was for you :) |
| 15:05.52 | nkuttler | xreal: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:05.58 | jelly-home | ,depends davfs2 |
| 15:05.58 | judd | Package davfs2 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), libneon27-gnutls, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, adduser. |
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| 15:06.02 | jelly-home | huh |
| 15:06.08 | xreal | nkuttler: I'm writting a Howto for debian, but I want to test it in ubuntu, too :) |
| 15:06.25 | xreal | okay, let me try equivs |
| 15:06.35 | nkuttler | xreal: still, we don't know what ubuntu does with equivs |
| 15:06.39 | jelly-home | xreal: that _is_ an unusual dependency esp. if it works with the ssl build |
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| 15:07.04 | xreal | jelly-home: NTLM was removed, because it's not GPL compatible. |
| 15:07.09 | xreal | jelly-home: NTLM was reverse engineering. |
| 15:07.28 | xreal | So, all Microsoft IIS can't be reached by WebDAV :) |
| 15:07.34 | jelly-home | Samba has NTLM auth. |
| 15:07.41 | tremon | xreal: I don't know what ubuntu may or may not have changed with equivs. It should still be available, but certain details could be different |
| 15:07.52 | jelly-home | xreal: Samba is GPLv3 now. So who's crazy. |
| 15:07.57 | xreal | jelly-home: it also uses the reversed Engineed thing. |
| 15:08.10 | xreal | jelly-home: I think, it uses OpenSSL like libneon. |
| 15:08.22 | xreal | jelly-home: OpenSSL has the reversed thing. |
| 15:08.42 | xreal | jelly-home: libneon27-gnutls uses... GNU SSL/TLS without NTLM :( |
| 15:08.46 | jelly-home | xreal: I mean, why would ntlm be removed for _that_ reason |
| 15:09.04 | xreal | jelly-home: I've read that some months ago and got angry for that reason :) |
| 15:09.05 | jelly-home | failing to have an openssl exception would be a valid reason tho |
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| 15:09.25 | xreal | tremon: equivs looks pretty hard for beginners :( |
| 15:09.45 | xreal | Does "aptitude" support "all dependencies, BUT..." ? |
| 15:10.09 | xreal | ohhh, I've got a mad idea! |
| 15:10.10 | wols | xreal: no |
| 15:10.11 | abrotman | equivs is easy |
| 15:10.15 | tremon | sort of, I guess. what aptitude install davfs2 libneon27_ do ? |
| 15:10.20 | xreal | abrotman: Yeah, for guys like us... |
| 15:10.44 | xreal | tremon: libneon27_gnutls has priority. When both are installed, GnuTLS is used. |
| 15:10.44 | jelly-home | xreal: ah yes. davfs2 is GPLv2 without an exception about linking with openssl |
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| 15:11.01 | xreal | Let me explain my idea: |
| 15:11.35 | xreal | I'll install davfs2 with libneon27-gnutls and libneon27 (OpenSSL). Then I'll uninstall libneon27-gnutls without uninstalling davfs2 dependency. Should this work? |
| 15:11.41 | xreal | could* |
| 15:11.54 | jelly-home | xreal: so there. Either rebuild davfs2 yourself, or poke upstream to update their licensing and provide an explicit exception for openssl |
| 15:11.59 | tremon | that's not what I meant. Aptitude has suffix directives. "aptitude install libneon27_" will attempt to purge it, not install it |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | wonders who 'us' is .. |
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| 15:12.22 | xreal | tremon: Sorry, ah okay. |
| 15:12.23 | tremon | you probably want : instead though, see the man page |
| 15:12.23 | jelly-home | xreal: it wouldn't work unless you tampered with davfs2 control file |
| 15:12.32 | xreal | abrotman: People, who are more advanced than standard users. |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | That includes you? |
| 15:12.46 | xreal | jelly-home: I've built it for myself last time, but I think, there is a workaround. |
| 15:12.52 | xreal | abrotman: stop this please, thanks. |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | is confused |
| 15:13.11 | jelly-home | xreal: I don't think there is one that lets you use davfs2 binary package from the distro without any change |
| 15:13.28 | xreal | jelly-home: let me play around, I'll report soon |
| 15:13.29 | jelly-home | well, maybe equivs but you already know about that |
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| 15:17.30 | Alula | Wrote up my RT3290 issues: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=113228 - Hope someone has an idea :) |
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| 15:18.56 | xreal | got it working! |
| 15:19.35 | xreal | I've removed "libneon27-gnutls" using dpkg and created a symlink fron libneon27.so to libneon27-gnutls.so27 |
| 15:19.43 | xreal | mad and bad |
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| 15:21.28 | jelly-home | apt will complain about that next time you try to install something |
| 15:22.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: nah, this is advanced, you wouldn't understand |
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| 15:24.21 | jelly-home | advanced? |
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| 15:24.39 | jelly-home | editing /var/lib/dpkg/status in place is fun! |
| 15:24.53 | danlamanna | installing using "use entire disk and setup encrypted LVM" - disk has currently been going on erasing data for a few hours and is maybe 20% done. is this typical? |
| 15:25.21 | tremon | it's filling the entire disk with random data |
| 15:25.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: I guess you propose to let xreal realize the consequences on his own and learn from the mistakes |
| 15:25.38 | abrotman | learn? |
| 15:25.45 | zykotick9 | danlamanna: yes. took me 24 hours for a 200GB drive... |
| 15:25.49 | jelly-home | s/learn from/make/ ? |
| 15:25.56 | danlamanna | zykotick9: ah ok, thanks :) |
| 15:26.45 | wols | jelly-home: the problem is when he realizes them, he will be back with them... |
| 15:27.00 | jelly-home | wols: but _I_ won't |
| 15:27.10 | xreal | jelly-home: Is rebuilding the package using libneon27 (OpenSSL) "illegal"? |
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| 15:27.37 | jelly-home | xreal: no, you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't redistribute the results |
| 15:27.54 | xreal | jelly-home: actually, we wanted to redistribute it on the university's website :( |
| 15:28.20 | xreal | Seems like equivs is the only way... |
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| 15:28.39 | jelly-home | xreal: do this as an official uni. policy and, make sure noone outside it can access your repo, and declare this "internal use" |
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| 15:28.53 | jelly-home | whistles innocently |
| 15:29.07 | abrotman | 15 minutes ago .. |
| 15:29.20 | xreal | I am really angry about the admins using Microsoft IIS. |
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| 15:29.35 | abrotman | tell them about it |
| 15:29.47 | xreal | abrotman: They know the problems. But they've got a contract with all universities here... |
| 15:29.59 | jelly-home | it's not their fault. You're the one using deficient open source software! |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | xreal: guess you'll just have to deal with it |
| 15:30.03 | xreal | the new admins are microsoft professionals, they don't know Linux. |
| 15:30.56 | xreal | jelly-home: would it be a legit way to use a fake package from equvs? |
| 15:31.01 | xreal | equivs |
| 15:31.24 | xreal | or can't it actually do, what I need ? |
| 15:31.24 | abrotman | You sohuld tell them why IIS is not a good solution |
| 15:31.55 | xreal | abrotman: the whole infrastructure is built on MS products. They don't want to spent money on switching back to unix. |
| 15:32.01 | xreal | spend* |
| 15:32.13 | abrotman | Then I guess you're screwed. Not sure why you're messing with Linux. |
| 15:32.56 | xreal | abrotman: Windows can't run on my router :D |
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| 15:33.33 | abrotman | Are you sure? you probably haven't tried hard enough |
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| 15:33.50 | xreal | abrotman: I don't even know, where to insert the CD. |
| 15:34.01 | xreal | abrotman: it doesn't have a slot for it :( |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | Doesn't need a CD anymore .. freaking kids |
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| 15:36.22 | wols | xreal: you can install windows from USB sticks now. and modern router have usb ports. win! |
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| 15:38.27 | zinx | wols: wow, easy upgrade to an enterprise level router! |
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| 15:42.08 | enoch | hi all |
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| 15:42.19 | enoch | i successfully installed debian on a powerpc mac g5 |
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| 15:43.09 | abrotman | dpkg: applaud enoch |
| 15:43.09 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, enoch |
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| 15:44.21 | enoch | it seems to work, but there is a problem with xorg ( i think ), i don't see the video output and i can't switch the tty. |
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| 15:44.44 | enoch | how to avoid xorg start at boot? |
| 15:44.53 | wols | !nodm |
| 15:44.53 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 15:45.40 | enoch | can't switch console, it doesn't work |
| 15:46.07 | wols | then boot via rescue or live cd and do what dpkg wrote above |
| 15:46.18 | enoch | ok |
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| 15:46.50 | grok | so if i do that i'll boot to a text console? |
| 15:47.13 | tremon | booting with "text" on the kernel command line might also work, at least both gdm and kdm used to listen to it |
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| 15:56.31 | pablo | hello guys, is it recommended to include my video driver in the initramfs? |
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| 15:57.05 | zinx | pablo: only if it's the one for the framebuffer/fbcon.. |
| 15:57.30 | enoch | echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager not working |
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| 16:03.07 | wols | enoch: is it X you have problems with or the framebuffer? |
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| 16:03.47 | enoch | wols, maybe it is the framebuffer |
| 16:04.49 | enoch | so? |
| 16:06.00 | grok | yeh, just appending "text" to the kernel command line was all it took to boot straight to a console. on wheezy. |
| 16:06.04 | wols | vga=normal nomodeset as a kernelparameter |
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| 16:08.14 | enoch | mhhh the complete line? |
| 16:08.30 | wols | no. we cannot tell you the complete line for obvious reasons |
| 16:08.58 | enoch | yes, but what is the parameters order? |
| 16:09.18 | wols | irrelevant |
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| 16:12.17 | enoch | and the parameters? |
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| 16:13.03 | wols | I just gave you them above |
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| 16:15.39 | phil5354 | I want to try compiz, but the debian wiki only has info on how to install on debian squeeze |
| 16:16.06 | phil5354 | do I just ignore and proceed as usual? |
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| 16:16.11 | abrotman | because compiz is dead and shouldn't be used |
| 16:17.08 | mtn | phil5354: if you want all that eye candy, just use kde |
| 16:17.32 | phil5354 | got it. |
| 16:17.44 | gizeig | mtn: what if one wants all that eye candy but not a fully fledged desktop env.? |
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| 16:17.56 | mtn | gizeig: beats me |
| 16:18.02 | phil5354 | I want 'some' eyecandy while retaining some minimalism |
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| 16:18.16 | gizeig | phil5354: then KDE is probably not for you :-) |
| 16:18.25 | Alula | compiz and minimalism don't really go together |
| 16:18.38 | socomm | phil5354: look at something like openbox |
| 16:18.39 | abrotman | phil5354: there really isn't a minimalist compositing WM |
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| 16:18.57 | socomm | phil5354: KDE, well most modern DEs are a bit on the bloated side nowadays |
| 16:18.59 | gizeig | Alula: why? one can just wish eyecandy without all the stuff that a full desktop environment provides |
| 16:19.28 | gizeig | phil5354: I am using openbox, it's nice, but it doesn't feature 3d stuff afaik |
| 16:19.28 | Alula | openbox has compositing IIRC |
| 16:19.32 | socomm | phil5354: I'm using cinnamon, which I think is the best DE at staying out fo your way |
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| 16:19.41 | abrotman | socomm: that's not what he's asking for |
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| 16:20.06 | socomm | abrotman: pardon? |
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| 16:20.44 | gizeig | socomm: he asked for eye candy and minimalism, not a full desktop environment that takes lots of resources and is unintuitive |
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| 16:20.59 | gizeig | *like all gnome-based environments |
| 16:21.22 | Alula | openbox is the best compromise of both imo |
| 16:21.26 | gizeig | ^^ |
| 16:21.26 | Alula | But it's not a good compromise |
| 16:21.29 | abrotman | openbox isn't compositing |
| 16:21.29 | socomm | I see, I guess openbox would probably best |
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| 16:21.52 | socomm | question is, do you *need* a compositing WM? |
| 16:22.11 | Alula | Use xcompmgr and it is |
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| 16:25.54 | Alula | phil5354: Install xcompmgr and run xcompmgr -cfF -t-5 -l-6 -r5 -o.55 -D3 & |
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| 16:26.58 | nplus | Quick question... I'm working on setting up a mail server for 2 domains at home. One thing that I'm not completely clear on is what the domain name/FQDN should be for the mail server. Do I make the domain name something simple for within my network or do I set it to one of the domains that I'm hosting? |
| 16:27.34 | abrotman | Your ISP allows mail hosting at home? |
| 16:27.51 | nplus | As far as I know |
| 16:27.57 | socomm | nplus: uh, you'd have to setup MX records for both domains |
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| 16:28.20 | nplus | I guess I'll find out soon :) but my brother with the same ISP has his mail server running |
| 16:28.27 | socomm | nplus: obviously those MX records should point to the same IP, and you'll need to have your mail server configured properly |
| 16:28.27 | abrotman | which ISP is this? |
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| 16:28.40 | abrotman | socomm: you're still not answering his question .. |
| 16:28.49 | xreal | jelly-home: it's caused of GPL: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533058 |
| 16:28.57 | nplus | socomm: Yep, I've got that part done. I meant the domain setting on debian itself |
| 16:29.00 | socomm | abrotman: do I know you? |
| 16:29.07 | abrotman | Do you have to? |
| 16:29.09 | socomm | abrotman: it seems everytime I'm on here you're on my case |
| 16:29.21 | jelly-home | xreal: that makes sense. |
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| 16:29.24 | nplus | abrotman: Shaw |
| 16:29.25 | abrotman | socomm: He asked what hostname to give the server, not how to setup MX records |
| 16:29.39 | xreal | jelly-home: I'm sad that you can't switch the libraries :( |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | nplus: which mail server are you using? |
| 16:30.19 | nplus | abrotman: postfix |
| 16:30.33 | jelly-home | xreal: you'll have to file a bug to link back with openssl due to missing functionality |
| 16:30.41 | abrotman | nplus: and you're trying to figure out which name to give it in the configuration file? |
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| 16:31.04 | jelly-home | xreal: or not... #668968 |
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| 16:31.51 | nplus | abrotman: Yeah, well that and the machine's domain name ( hostname -f ) |
| 16:32.48 | jelly-home | xreal: Me Too additions to bug reports are usually frowned upon, but you might want to add your users at the university suffer because of this |
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| 16:33.38 | xreal | jelly-home: good idea. But for a quick solution, I need to build my own package. How should I name a backport from testing to wheezy and mark it "internal" only? davfs2_1.4.7~bpo70+1 |
| 16:34.08 | abrotman | nplus: that name is only used when doing the HELO to the other system AFAIK |
| 16:34.26 | nplus | hmm ok |
| 16:34.31 | nplus | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:34.55 | pablo | zinx: why only if it is the one for the framebuffer= |
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| 16:36.05 | jelly-home | xreal: no idea... davfs2_1.4.7~bpo70+1.xreal.1 ? |
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| 16:39.42 | xreal | jelly-home: if there appears a real davfs2_1.4.7~bpo70+1, will mine be replaced? |
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| 16:40.34 | jelly-home | xreal: put it on hold if you're scared of that |
| 16:41.07 | xreal | jelly-home: isn't this a security risk? |
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| 16:41.27 | jelly-home | xreal: do you prefer losing security or losing functionality? |
| 16:41.49 | jelly-home | every single custom build is a security risk |
| 16:41.51 | xreal | jelly-home: that's a really hard question. |
| 16:42.20 | xreal | jelly-home: actually, building it again libneon with OpenSSL isn't that bad concerning security. |
| 16:42.34 | xreal | against* |
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| 16:43.23 | jelly-home | xreal: regard the next step in package lifecycle management -- what happens when there's a security fix in bpo? |
| 16:43.34 | jelly-home | or in debian |
| 16:44.06 | xreal | jelly-home: Since I'm going to be the provider of the modified package, I could be sued for it. |
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| 16:44.18 | xreal | maintainer *and* provider |
| 16:44.33 | chrisoprase | Hi, I'd like to install the build dependencies for a project, but apt-get build-dep doesn't accept the source directory as an argument. Is there an alternative |
| 16:44.44 | jelly-home | xreal: do you want to keep your version not held, and get overwritten by the bpo one (losing functionality), or do you want to hold it (losing security fixed until you release the fixed build yourself)? |
| 16:45.05 | wols | chrisoprase: apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 16:45.07 | xreal | jelly-home: I understand this point. I think, I need to write a disclaimer, telling the user about this problem. |
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| 16:45.22 | xreal | jelly-home: [x] download only if you understand |
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| 16:46.05 | jelly-home | xreal: scroll down to the bottom of GPL |
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| 16:46.30 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.39 | xreal | jelly-home: uhm yeah, but since I'm going to break GPL :) |
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| 16:47.14 | jelly-home | xreal: you're not distributing outside your institution. |
| 16:47.33 | xreal | jelly-home: I hope, nobody will spread it. |
| 16:47.45 | jelly-home | xreal: don't hope, ensure. |
| 16:47.57 | xreal | jelly-home: >= 30.000 students and workers, who have access to it |
| 16:48.00 | chrisoprase | wols: Problem is, if I give the package name, apt wants to install libc6>2.14, which isn't available for wheezy. But the package is suppose to compile with libc=2.13 according to DEPENDS |
| 16:48.22 | jelly-home | xreal: then it's going to be one of them that would violate GPL, not you |
| 16:48.41 | xreal | jelly-home: Shall I supply a DEB or patch file for official download? |
| 16:48.56 | jelly-home | whatever you prefer |
| 16:48.57 | enoch | wols, booted :D, but starting gdm i only see a purple cursor |
| 16:49.30 | SynrG | chrisoprase: which package? |
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| 16:49.51 | chrisoprase | SynrG: it's deluge |
| 16:50.03 | SynrG | ,v deluge |
| 16:50.04 | judd | Package: deluge on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; jessie: 1.3.6-1.1; sid: 1.3.6-1.1 |
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| 16:50.42 | SynrG | chrisoprase: attempting a backport? |
| 16:50.59 | chrisoprase | SynrG: yes |
| 16:51.15 | chrisoprase | I'm using the version from git |
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| 16:52.24 | socomm | chrisoprase: what are the benefits of building your own deluge? are you trying to access new feature or need bugfix? |
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| 16:53.07 | chrisoprase | SynrG: According to depends, it should compile with libtorrent >= 0.14, but apt wants to install libtorrent-rasterbar7, which requires libc6>2.14 |
| 16:53.46 | SynrG | chrisoprase: so backport the lib too |
| 16:53.49 | chrisoprase | socomm: trying to access features |
| 16:54.06 | wols | ,v libtorrent |
| 16:54.07 | judd | No package named 'libtorrent' was found in i386. |
| 16:54.26 | chrisoprase | ,v libtorrent-rasterbar7 |
| 16:54.27 | judd | Package: libtorrent-rasterbar7 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.13-1; sid: 0.16.13-1 |
| 16:54.34 | chrisoprase | ,v libtorrent-rasterbar6 |
| 16:54.35 | judd | Package: libtorrent-rasterbar6 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.15.10-1+b1 |
| 16:54.54 | SynrG | ah. only in jessie |
| 16:55.10 | chrisoprase | I'll try building with 6 and see how it goes |
| 16:55.16 | SynrG | maybe |
| 16:55.17 | xreal | jelly-home: What do you think about this? davfs2_1.4.7~bpo70+1-openssl ? |
| 16:55.21 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport deluge |
| 16:55.22 | judd | Backporting package deluge in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 16:55.30 | jelly-home | looks fine to me! |
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| 16:56.13 | chrisoprase | ,v libc6 |
| 16:56.13 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-4; sid: 2.18-4 |
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| 16:57.32 | jelly-home | xreal: tired of considering tiny details like that |
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| 17:01.54 | chrisoprase | SynrG: build worked, I was confusing build dependencies and run dependcies. won't be able to run it without backporting libc6 though |
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| 17:04.22 | jelly-home | xreal: I put .jelly.0 in mine so it's very clear who's responsible |
| 17:04.40 | xreal | jelly-home: I thought, that's waht the changelog is fore. |
| 17:05.23 | jelly-home | changelog complex, dpkg -l|grep jelly easy |
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| 17:18.00 | enoch | mhhh how to switch tty if the keyboard is not recognized by xorg? |
| 17:18.37 | SynrG | chrisoprase: there's a conflict between one of your deps and older libc6? |
| 17:18.40 | Nik05 | Alt+SysRq+R ? |
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| 17:20.45 | chrisoprase | SynrG: yes, according to apt, but I'm making sure by actually running and see wnat happens |
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| 17:20.48 | enoch | perfect, and how to make xorg use vga driver? |
| 17:21.03 | enoch | im on last debian release |
| 17:21.13 | jelly-home | enoch: chvt 1 (or whatever vt number), as root |
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| 17:21.42 | xreal | Is this okay? http://pastie.org/private/3ctl7xd2xiqjuibcqyq7sa @jelly-home |
| 17:21.46 | jelly-home | (that was for the previous question) |
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| 17:22.27 | jelly-home | xreal: looks fine to me |
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| 17:23.05 | xreal | jelly-home: need to figure out, how to do cross-compilations |
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| 17:23.49 | SynrG | chrisoprase: i mean, what was the conflict? |
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| 17:25.04 | enoch | how to force xorg using vesa driver? |
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| 17:26.08 | SynrG | chrisoprase: did the substitution of libtorrent-rasterbar6 for libtorrent-rasterbar7 work? (i.e. did you substitute that in the debian/control file everywhere it is mentioned?) |
| 17:26.44 | SynrG | chrisoprase: i thought it was only dragging in libc6 from wheezy due to that. not an explicit Conflicts with an earlier version of libc6 |
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| 17:27.32 | SynrG | enoch: depends on the chipset. sometimes booting with 'nomodeset' can force Xorg to fall back to VESA, where the driver that would've been loaded instead requires KMS to operate |
| 17:27.33 | chrisoprase | SynrG: I'll try that |
| 17:27.51 | wols | SynrG: I told him ot use nomodeset 2 hours ago. no clue if he did |
| 17:28.03 | SynrG | ah |
| 17:28.39 | xreal | Is there an online service to do cross building? :D |
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| 17:30.47 | enoch | SynrG, so maybe that my xorg is not working cause im booting with "nomodeset" ? |
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| 17:36.04 | SynrG | enoch: if your graphics chipset requires KMS, booting with nomodeset will make the driver for it not work, correct. but in that case, you should be forced back to the vesa driver, i think |
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| 17:36.11 | SynrG | and you would see that in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:36.50 | SynrG | enoch: but i did not read the backlog, so i can't say for certain what your problem is. |
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| 17:37.03 | gizeig | when having a virtual disk image in use within a VM for read and write operations, is it problematic to mount and use this same image in readonly mode? |
| 17:37.15 | gizeig | *I mean on the host? |
| 17:37.58 | SynrG | enoch: ah. powerpc mac g5 ... dunno. that's old stuff. maybe the powerpc folks have a better idea what's up? |
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| 17:39.27 | SynrG | enoch: have you seen #debianppc about this? might have to be patient and wait a while for someone to answer ... |
| 17:39.32 | SynrG | or else ask on their mailing list |
| 17:39.38 | xreal | Cross-Compiling is a very hard thing as it seems... |
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| 17:43.35 | klrr_ | anyone know of a debian package of teamspeak 3 client for sid? |
| 17:43.53 | klrr_ | cant seem to find one on google, and the official binary doesnt find the correct libs even though i have them installed |
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| 17:45.11 | petn-randall | klrr_: sid is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:46.08 | klrr_ | okey |
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| 18:00.48 | aberlin | Hello, Im using an manual for cups, just need cupsctl --remote-printers to activate automatic discovery, but it seems like this is not possible anymore (https://discussions.apple.com/message/19202043#19202043)), Any workarounds? |
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| 18:02.21 | somiaj | aberlin: man cupsctl I don't see a --remote-printers option |
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| 18:03.10 | somiaj | also that seems like an osX issue, and their cups may have modifications that ours does not have |
| 18:03.13 | xreal | Anyone in here with a working toolchain to do cross-compilations of a small package? |
| 18:03.26 | abrotman | xreal: please ask your real question |
| 18:03.33 | MO_Handes | I see this message installing virtualbox on jessie: http://paste.debian.net/92066/ and there is no /dev/vboxdrv nor /etc/init.d/vboxdrv and no module named vboxdrv. what to do? |
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| 18:03.51 | xreal | abrotman: That's my real question: Could anyone with a working toolchain to do cross-compilation compile a small package for me? |
| 18:04.00 | abrotman | why can't you create one yourself? |
| 18:04.19 | enoch | is it possible to install nvidia proprietary driver on powerpc? 0000:f0:10.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 Ultra] (rev a1) |
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| 18:04.46 | xreal | abrotman: I've done some reading but it seems _very_ complicated. |
| 18:05.02 | abrotman | seems like a good time to learn |
| 18:05.08 | chrisoprase | SynrG: I was complicating things, no changes were necessary |
| 18:05.46 | mtn | MO_Handes: it looks like you don't have the kernel headers installed |
| 18:05.52 | xreal | abrotman: I think, I'll never need it again :D |
| 18:06.02 | aberlin | yes, this was a feature, to enable other linux computers to autodetect the Printserver, its not in the newer versions see the link (https://discussions.apple.com/message/19202043#19202043) |
| 18:06.10 | somiaj | enoch: that card isn't even supported by modern nvidia drivers. I would just use nouveau. You can add teh non-free repo and see if any of the legacy drivers are in the powerpc repo, but my guess si they aren't. |
| 18:06.17 | Caleb-- | hi. i'm trying to build a kernel in preparation to learning how to build kernel modules (i'm reading the LDD3 book). |
| 18:07.06 | Caleb-- | the book says i should probably have the sources built at /usr/src/linux-x.y.z |
| 18:07.24 | somiaj | enoch: yea none of the legacy drivers are in the ppc arch either. |
| 18:07.31 | enoch | somiaj, they aren't, nouveau driver isn't working good. I have no 3d acceleration and i see half screen without characters |
| 18:07.31 | aberlin | i just wonder if there is an alternative way, i want to enable other printers in the network to automatical find the cups server |
| 18:07.45 | xparanoik | has anyone successfully used google authenticator as a second step to acess a box over ssh? i'd be interested in knowing if it is reliable in case someone has it setup and working |
| 18:07.55 | somiaj | enoch: do you ahve linux-firmware-nonfree installed? The nouevau drivers still use some nonfree firmware for 3d support I thoguht. |
| 18:08.04 | Caleb-- | the thing is, being at /usr/src requires me to become root in order to build the kernel. is that fine? |
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| 18:08.30 | Caleb-- | the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel instructs me to use apt-get source and then use some "fakeroot" commands in order to build the kernel itself |
| 18:08.31 | enoch | no, i'll try. Im new to debian sorry |
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| 18:08.41 | somiaj | Caleb--: the location you build isn't that important but I woudln't build it as root. |
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| 18:08.53 | somiaj | Caleb--: note this is debian so the instructions there may not be useful for a debian system |
| 18:09.02 | enoch | no package named linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 18:09.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell enoch about non-free |
| 18:09.22 | enoch | i know what non-free is |
| 18:09.49 | enoch | and i enabled non-free and contrib in the sources.list, but i can't find this package |
| 18:09.54 | Caleb-- | somiaj, is it best practice to have the kernel sources in /usr/src/linux-x.y.z? |
| 18:09.58 | zerodrama | so i have a server with multiple accounts and each account has multiple domains and each domain has multiple users |
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| 18:10.25 | zerodrama | is there anyway to get dovecot and postfix to not get confused |
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| 18:10.52 | abrotman | enoch: did you aptitude update after altering your sources? |
| 18:10.59 | SynrG | enoch. did you apt-get update after adding non-free? |
| 18:11.08 | SynrG | jinx |
| 18:11.10 | somiaj | Caleb--: ls -ld /usr/src -- if that isn't owned by root.src you can chmod to change that, then add your user ro the src group and he can build under that tree if he wants |
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| 18:11.21 | enoch | sure |
| 18:11.42 | SynrG | let's see your apt-cache policy please |
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| 18:11.51 | somiaj | Caleb--: third party modules when building usually look at /usr/src/linux for the source code for the kernel, and that can be a link to the actual source code. It is up to you if you use that directory |
| 18:12.01 | somiaj | enoch: sorry my mistake, it is firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:12.01 | Caleb-- | i see |
| 18:12.08 | SynrG | ahj |
| 18:12.27 | enoch | http://pastebin.com/vmRTTAVa |
| 18:12.29 | Caleb-- | i'll be building my own module, so i guess i could just keep the kernel sources in my homedir and put a symlink under /usr/src? |
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| 18:13.04 | enoch | found, rebooting |
| 18:13.05 | somiaj | Caleb--: I would only add the link if you have to, most source you can specificy where the kernel tree is |
| 18:13.12 | Caleb-- | ok |
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| 18:13.42 | somiaj | Caleb--: I think yyou will need fakeroot and some debian apcakge utils, and modern kernels havea 'make deb-pkg' option |
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| 18:14.55 | xreal | Could anyone with a working toolchain to do cross-compilation compile a small package for me? |
| 18:15.05 | abrotman | create one yourself |
| 18:15.28 | mtn | xreal: 1481 people say "no" |
| 18:15.58 | xreal | mtn: I always knew, abrotman is a group of people... |
| 18:16.24 | jelly-home | xreal: would be abrotmen in that case |
| 18:16.37 | xreal | jelly-home: typo perhaps? |
| 18:16.48 | somiaj | hmm, looks like I was mistaken, doesn't nouveau need a nonfree firmware blob (like the radeon driver?) It doesn't appear to be in the firmware-nonfree-linux package as far as I can tell. |
| 18:16.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: humor fail .. |
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| 18:17.18 | abrotman | somiaj: no, it doesn't. But it's not as well done as radeon AIUI |
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| 18:19.22 | Caleb-- | somiaj, thanks for your help. |
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| 18:20.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 18:20.51 | somiaj | abrotman: ahh seems they suggest you extract the firmware directally from the non-free blob. Seems nouveau still has a way to go. |
| 18:21.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: we are so sad |
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| 18:21.21 | abrotman | somiaj: ah, good to know, i think |
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| 18:25.16 | nkuttler | meh. what did i do to break my vim color scheme on all boxes :| |
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| 18:31.54 | nkuttler | what should i use to limit the number of bytes/chars a program outputs? i just want to set a max length to some random output i get |
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| 18:33.59 | somiaj | nkuttler: how are you creating random output? I was thinking with dd you could write a set length of /dev/random to a file. |
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| 18:34.30 | nkuttler | somiaj: i use openssl rand -base64 but want to filter some chars to create simple mobile-friendly passwords |
| 18:35.10 | nkuttler | oh well, maybe i should just use pwgen in this case.. |
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| 18:35.35 | somiaj | nkuttler: it seems you can state the size of the rand with that command |
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| 18:35.42 | somiaj | nkuttler: openssl rand -base65 N |
| 18:35.47 | nkuttler | somiaj: yeah, but the filtering is the problem |
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| 18:36.09 | nkuttler | as the output is random i don't really know how much is removed, but i think i'll just go with pwgen |
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| 18:36.42 | somiaj | nkuttler: I personally use keepassx, it not only stores my passwords for me, has a generator in it |
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| 18:37.31 | nkuttler | somiaj: i'm pretty sure i tried that at some point and didn't like it :) |
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| 18:38.53 | repxl | how to update my already installed packages? |
| 18:39.09 | nkuttler | repxl: apt-get update + upgrade? |
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| 18:42.03 | enoch | mhhh installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but nothing changed |
| 18:43.57 | SynrG | enoch: so to review: you have a powerpc mac g5, radeon (?) card, wheezy (?), boots to black screen. |
| 18:44.11 | abrotman | thinks this sounds familiar :) |
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| 18:45.14 | somiaj | enoch: yea that was my mistake, I was thinking nouveau put the firmware like radeon. I did a bit of reading and it says you don't really need firmware for your card, the nouveau 3d support is just still fairly new |
| 18:45.15 | nkuttler | enoch: what did you expect to change? |
| 18:45.23 | nkuttler | oh, nm |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | somiaj: and limited |
| 18:45.46 | SynrG | enoch: maybe it is doing output to the wrong port? |
| 18:45.53 | SynrG | enoch: is this booting from grub or yaboot? |
| 18:45.54 | nkuttler | just install the evil binary driver. works for me |
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| 18:46.06 | enoch | SynerG, i have a power mac g5, Geforce FX 5200 ultra, wheezy. It boots but i have no 3d acceleration and the video card is bad supported overall: i don't see the fonts in half screen. |
| 18:46.14 | somiaj | nkuttler: he is on ppc with an old card, not sure there are non-free blobs for that. Debian doens't provide any |
| 18:46.15 | SynrG | oh, nvidia, k |
| 18:46.21 | SynrG | 3d accel, ahh |
| 18:46.45 | SynrG | so on nouveau, then? |
| 18:46.53 | enoch | yes, im using nouveau :D |
| 18:46.59 | enoch | i want to use this powermac g5 as a media center :P |
| 18:47.09 | SynrG | enoch: so i think you need the non-free legacy package for that or so |
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| 18:47.51 | somiaj | SynrG: I looked and couldn't find any -legacy packages for nvidia on ppc arch |
| 18:47.55 | SynrG | gahhh |
| 18:48.13 | SynrG | bend over :p |
| 18:48.39 | enoch | what non-free legacy package?? nvidia proprietary driver or nv ?? |
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| 18:48.57 | SynrG | proprietary. and according to somiaj it doesn't exist. i don't doubt him |
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| 18:49.12 | somiaj | I coudln't find on on packages.debian.org |
| 18:49.17 | SynrG | ancient hardware. non-free. non-standard architecture |
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| 18:49.23 | SynrG | i think you lose |
| 18:49.23 | somiaj | enoch: what does apt-cache search nvidia give you? Do you see any legacy packages I coudl have msised |
| 18:49.39 | Catalinc | root@proxmox03:~/test# ./pve-upgrade-2.3-to-3.0 |
| 18:49.39 | Catalinc | Can't locate File/Basename.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./pve-upgrade-2.3-to-3.0 line 15. |
| 18:49.47 | Catalinc | can someone tell me what's the problem? |
| 18:50.08 | repxl | why geoip can't get my city? |
| 18:50.18 | petn-randall | Catalinc: You're missing that perl module. |
| 18:50.22 | enoch | somiaj, nope |
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| 18:51.33 | SynrG | Catalinc: you're using a frigging ancient perl :p |
| 18:51.43 | SynrG | Catalinc: what debian release are you on? |
| 18:51.50 | antranigv | INFO #linux.am |
| 18:51.56 | enoch | maybe i can change the videocard? i can buy an old ATI |
| 18:52.03 | antranigv | sorry, ) wrong tab ) |
| 18:52.31 | SynrG | ,v perl |
| 18:52.32 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u1; jessie: 5.18.2-2+b1; sid: 5.18.2-2+b1 |
| 18:52.47 | SynrG | Catalinc: you're on squeeze still? |
| 18:53.03 | SynrG | Catalinc: maybe you would be better off on wheezy ... |
| 18:53.34 | petn-randall | SynrG: I wouldn't call squeeze "ancient" ... :) |
| 18:53.56 | SynrG | petn-randall: well |
| 18:54.06 | SynrG | and it's on proxmox. so this is some proxmox upgrade thing? |
| 18:54.21 | SynrG | not familiar with that environment |
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| 18:54.43 | nkuttler | repxl: your db is outdated or incomplete |
| 18:54.46 | petn-randall | !proxmox |
| 18:54.46 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 18:54.58 | petn-randall | SynrG: Good point. |
| 18:55.43 | Catalinc | can soneone tell me why if i apg-get upgrade -f install i get the error /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.3.3-3_amd64.deb |
| 18:55.50 | SynrG | Catalinc: no |
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| 18:56.12 | SynrG | Catalinc: this channel is for debian support. please see the link above for proxmox support. |
| 18:56.50 | Catalinc | ok thanks |
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| 19:02.44 | converge | there isn't #debian-mentors channel in freenode ? |
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| 19:03.33 | nkuttler | converge: the official channels are all on oftc |
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| 19:04.17 | war9407 | # /usr/sbin/sshd -t |
| 19:04.18 | war9407 | OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000004f, you have 1000106f |
| 19:04.21 | war9407 | What is the fix? Debian testing. |
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| 19:04.48 | abrotman | did you look in the BTS? |
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| 19:07.14 | converge | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 19:08.42 | war9407 | ran apt-get dist-upgrade then ssh stopped woring, pinning it for now |
| 19:08.48 | war9407 | (downgraded back to older ver) |
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| 19:18.34 | nkuttler | war9407: ssh stopped working? what? |
| 19:19.50 | war9407 | During an apt-get dist-upgrade I could no longer SSH into the box (new SSH connections) |
| 19:19.56 | war9407 | I tried to restart SSH and: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000004f, you have 1000106f |
| 19:20.04 | war9407 | Backed down the SSH/OpenSSL and its ok now. |
| 19:20.38 | jelly-home | war9407: upgrade from what to what? |
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| 19:21.14 | nkuttler | war9407: which command gave you that error? |
| 19:21.53 | jelly-home | war9407: it sounds like some binary dependency got missed, hopefully that will be fixed before jessie. Did you check BTS? |
| 19:22.08 | war9407 | jelly-home: 0.98-e to the latest (*-testing) |
| 19:22.20 | war9407 | nkuttler: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:22.26 | war9407 | ill chech bts, thanks |
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| 19:22.35 | jelly-home | war9407: 0.98-e of what? |
| 19:22.54 | nkuttler | that sounds like it shouldn't make it into testing |
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| 19:28.52 | xbr1084 | does anyone know why i can modprobe a module in kernel 3.2 but after getting 3.13 from backports, it says module not found? in3.2 it still works |
| 19:29.12 | abrotman | might help if you tell us which module |
| 19:29.23 | xbr1084 | it is wl, the wireless driver |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | not "the" .. |
| 19:30.07 | jelly-home | xbr1084: is "wl" the actual module name? |
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| 19:30.16 | abrotman | xbr1084: did you build the module for 3.13? |
| 19:30.17 | xbr1084 | BCM4313 |
| 19:30.25 | jelly-home | never heard of that one |
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| 19:30.36 | jelly-home | !BCM4313 |
| 19:30.36 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
| 19:30.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: broadcom-sta |
| 19:31.30 | xbr1084 | i i followed these instructions which got it working on kernel 3.2 https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:31.45 | abrotman | xbr1084: and did you build it for 3.13? |
| 19:32.04 | xbr1084 | well i followed the same instructions again after i got 3.13. is that what you mean? |
| 19:32.34 | jelly-home | xbr1084: did they result in a successful build? |
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| 19:33.12 | xbr1084 | these was a message, i'm going to run it again a post a paste so you can see what it looks like |
| 19:33.20 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 19:33.34 | jelly-home | perhaps just dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms might be enough |
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| 19:36.09 | xbr1084 | ok. in the meantime here's the paste. there's an error towards the end. http://paste.debian.net/92087/ |
| 19:36.42 | jelly-home | xbr1084: lines 33-34 say the build was not successful |
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| 19:37.53 | jelly-home | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 19:37.54 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.141-1; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.141-1 |
| 19:38.13 | jelly-home | might have to backport that package as well |
| 19:38.13 | Catalinc | can someone tell me why do i get this error when i apt-get -f install "/var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.3.3-3_amd64.de" |
| 19:38.44 | jelly-home | Catalinc: that's not legal syntax. What is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 19:38.57 | xbr1084 | jelly-home, apt-cache policy doesn't show the package being in backports. |
| 19:39.02 | jelly-home | Catalinc: are you still running Proxmox? |
| 19:39.19 | Catalinc | jelly-home yes i'm desperate |
| 19:39.20 | Catalinc | .. |
| 19:39.36 | jelly-home | xbr1084: I'm thinking you might have to do the backporting on your own. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:39.53 | abrotman | Catalinc: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support or ask ##linux |
| 19:40.12 | Catalinc | ok thanks |
| 19:40.25 | jelly-home | Catalinc: well, ask your vendor. We cannot know what are all the things the Proxmox people have changed to make their installation fail |
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| 19:40.40 | xbr1084 | jelly-home, thank you. i will follow those instructions and get the source from sid |
| 19:40.57 | xbr1084 | i don't even know why i need 3.13. i guess i could just stick with 3.2 also |
| 19:41.12 | jelly-home | xbr1084: if things work with 3.2, stay there |
| 19:41.25 | jelly-home | ,depends broadcom-sta-dkms --release sid |
| 19:41.26 | judd | Package broadcom-sta-dkms in sid/i386 -- depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0). |
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| 19:42.18 | jelly-home | xbr1084: this seems to be an exceptional case where you might download the sid package from packages.debian.org very, VERY carefully and install it with dpkg |
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| 19:42.22 | xbr1084 | i have dkms 2.2 |
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| 19:42.36 | jelly-home | this is otherwise not a good idea, but it might work here |
| 19:42.39 | zophy | ,depends diapers |
| 19:42.40 | judd | No package named 'diapers' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 19:42.47 | xbr1084 | jelly-home thanks |
| 19:42.59 | jelly-home | zophy: do you have a debian support question? |
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| 19:44.06 | abrotman | zophy: Please try to be more helpful in the future. You seem to keep having an issue. |
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| 19:47.17 | xbr1084 | i've decided to just stick with 3.2. i really didn't have a reason for getting the newer kernel other than it was available |
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| 19:48.32 | jelly-home | well. Be reminded of |
| 19:48.33 | jelly-home | !sns |
| 19:48.34 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 19:49.09 | xbr1084 | lol |
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| 19:50.07 | Metaleer | XD |
| 19:50.24 | zinx | <- sid 4 lyfe, what good is a computer if it doesn't give you a good mental workout every now and then |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | a functional piece of equipment? :) |
| 19:51.23 | xbr1084 | i have enough mental exercise every day and don't need one when i'm on the computer too |
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| 19:52.11 | zinx | abrotman: bah, functional equipment is overrated, just look at Apple's products, not a functional one among them |
| 19:52.23 | abrotman | zinx: Sadly, I'm well aware |
| 19:52.35 | zinx | ;-) |
| 19:52.54 | zinx | (was actually trying to make sure people realise sid PROBABLY isn't the distribution for them) |
| 19:53.30 | xbr1084 | off topic but i spent some time in #mac trying to get some help for a friend's computer, and they were busy bashing linux because osx gives "freedom from choice" and a perfect setup that people don't need to modify and customize before they can use |
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| 20:02.27 | Catalinc | can you please check this error http://pastebin.com/wdAAhUyg |
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| 20:03.25 | abrotman | Catalinc: This channel does not support proxmox, we've been over this. |
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| 20:17.49 | elichai2 | openoffice vs. libreoffice |
| 20:18.16 | jelly-home | elichai2: no |
| 20:18.24 | elichai2 | jelly-home: ? |
| 20:18.30 | elichai2 | lol |
| 20:19.25 | elichai2 | what better? |
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| 20:20.25 | elichai2 | jelly-home: so? |
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| 20:20.31 | centrx | !polls |
| 20:20.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 20:20.37 | elichai2 | jelly-home: ohhh just saw it |
| 20:20.54 | elichai2 | centrx: i want to know what to install.... |
| 20:21.06 | tremon | both install the same thing |
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| 20:21.45 | jelly-home | elichai2: it's a non-question in Debian, which has been shipping the precursor to libreoffice for a long time as "openoffice.org" |
| 20:21.46 | centrx | elichai2, libreoffice is newer. openoffice is dropped in testing/unstable |
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| 20:22.46 | elichai2 | ok thanks! |
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| 20:38.30 | jdoles | How do I build a piece of softwaree which has a debian subdirectory? |
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| 20:38.58 | jdoles | It seems to contain all kinds of dependency information; if it would just install all those dependencies, I would already be happy. |
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| 20:39.41 | centrx | jdoles, Use dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 20:40.09 | centrx | jdoles, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
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| 20:40.37 | jdoles | centrx: yeah, I already did it. |
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| 20:40.51 | jdoles | centrx: except the package does not work, because it depends on something which does not exist. |
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| 20:41.30 | centrx | jdoles, What package is this? Where did you get it? |
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| 20:42.06 | jdoles | centrx: not really important. The real problem I am trying to solve is being able to record any Flash video from any website. |
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| 20:46.20 | petn-randall | jdoles: we already have packages for that ... youtube-dl, get-flash-videos, etc. ... |
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| 20:49.27 | jdoles | petn-randall: yeah... and those don't work. |
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| 20:49.48 | jdoles | petn-randall: get-flash-videos doesn't build (and also talks about specific URL support) |
| 20:50.01 | jdoles | petn-randall: youtube-dl also requires specific URL support, which does not exist. |
| 20:50.11 | jdoles | petn-randall: as such, your use of ... is rather premature. |
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| 20:50.31 | jdoles | petn-randall: you should consider changing your communication style, because it makes you look like an ass. |
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| 20:53.08 | zykotick9 | jdoles: when you point a finger at someone else, 3 are pointing back at you... in this case, deserved. |
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| 20:54.03 | jdoles | zykotick9: I don't see any fingers pointing, but perhaps that's because I have those people on ignoree. |
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| 20:54.28 | jdoles | zykotick9: and, it would be helpful if you would be able to construct any kind of actual argument. |
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| 20:55.19 | jdoles | zykotick9: I clearly presented why I think petn-randall is an ass. You should also try constructing a valid argument some day; just because some random collection of atoms (people) think this is the case, doesn't make it sensible. |
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| 20:55.53 | petn-randall | !ops jdoles |
| 20:55.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: petn-randall complains about: jdoles |
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| 20:56.22 | romain_ | Hi guys, is it ok to post my little gnome/suspend problem here? |
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| 20:56.42 | jdoles | romain_: yeah, but you shouldn't expect to get actual help. |
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| 20:57.09 | centrx | romain_, It's okay. You might have more success in #gnome though |
| 20:57.10 | romain_ | jdoles: Why that? Well let's try anyway. |
| 20:57.23 | babilen | jdoles: Seriosuly, there is no need for that nor for calling people names. |
| 20:57.24 | jimbooo5 | hey y'all, i've been running linux mint 13 maya and have been reading a lot about debian and am wondering if I am ready to make the switch. anyone feel like answering a few questions about debian? thanks in advance!! |
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| 20:57.34 | centrx | romain_, jdoles is just a troll |
| 20:57.37 | centrx | jimbooo5, Ask away |
| 20:57.46 | jimbooo5 | thanks |
| 20:57.54 | petn-randall | romain_: Feel free to ask away. you are running Debian wheezy? |
| 20:58.19 | romain_ | I just upgraded from wheezy to testing (jessie) |
| 20:58.39 | romain_ | My suspend button (fn+f1) doesn't work anymore but pm-suspend works great |
| 20:58.42 | petn-randall | romain_: Ah, in that case you'll get support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. |
| 20:59.25 | petn-randall | romain_: I'm there, too, so we can continue in that channel. |
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| 21:00.15 | romain_ | okey, I also guess it's a gnome related problem. When I choose suspend by clicking in the gnome menu it works great too |
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| 21:00.59 | romain_ | But when I use my suspend or power button the screen the turn of but that's all |
| 21:01.21 | jimbooo5 | I'm thinking that I should start with wheexy 7.4 to get a feel for debian, but want to be sure that I have the linux knowledge necessary to use debian. I started in ubnutu about 4 years ago(switched to mint last year), so i feel comfortable with linux, repositories, packages, and VERY BASIC terminal commands. But will i need more than that to use debian stable? |
| 21:01.21 | romain_ | both are set to 'suspend' in gnome dconf |
| 21:01.37 | babilen | romain_: I would recommend to switch to systemd (or at least trying it by booting with "init=/bin/systemd" on the kernel command line) |
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| 21:04.04 | romain_ | jimbooo5: To me, the switch from ubuntu to debian was really easy. I think you shouldn't hesitate. |
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| 21:05.21 | romain_ | jimbooo5: Sure you will encounter some issues mostly due to some libc version compatibility in 7.4 but most of ubuntu soft works great |
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| 21:06.06 | hast` | anyone have problem with debain gnome 3 for multiple monitors? |
| 21:06.30 | jimbooo5 | my understanding is that Debian stable won't require constant maintenience(of course there will be SOME), but will I need to be very familiar with terminal, beyond copying and pasting out of forums? that's kinda the level I am at |
| 21:06.39 | romain_ | hast`: no, what kind of problem? |
| 21:06.49 | petn-randall | Hi hast`, it's better to describe your actual problem, that way we can fix it easier. |
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| 21:08.09 | hast` | nevermind i think it's my laptop |
| 21:08.11 | hast` | :P |
| 21:08.25 | hast` | sometimes the screen go black by itself |
| 21:09.01 | romain_ | jimbooo5: Actual maintenance nos really since once it works, debian is very stable. Has less bug than ubuntu |
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| 21:10.32 | romain_ | jimbooo5: I was saying that you will probably encounter in debian if you want lastest releases of softwares |
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| 21:13.04 | jimbooo5 | romain_: ok, I feeling pretty good about this, but i just wanted to ask actual users what they thought after I read the FAQs online. When the FAQs say the stable version uses older software, they mean 1-2 years old at most right--nothing that would cause compatibilty problems for viewing content online for example, right I don't care if my software is the latest version, I just want it to work well but not be too old so that it do |
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| 21:16.11 | centrx | jimbooo5, Yes, the software in current Debian stable is mostly versions from the eight months preceding the release on May 2013. |
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| 21:16.42 | centrx | jimbooo5, Browsers are actually more recent versions. E.g. Firefox (iceweasel) is the long-term support release from September 2013 |
| 21:17.06 | phil5354 | as a newbie, how can I start cleaning out packages that I don't need? |
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| 21:17.23 | phil5354 | It's difficult as I do not know what every package does |
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| 21:17.56 | centrx | phil5354, apt-get autoremove and deborphan are tools for that, but it requires some knowledge or investigation to determine whether you really want to remove a certain package |
| 21:18.24 | romain_ | phil5354: Why do you need to clean ou packages that you don't need? |
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| 21:18.50 | centrx | phil5354, Generally, it's not a problem to have more packages installed than you need. Maybe if you have unnecessary services/daemons running in the background, uninstall those |
| 21:19.02 | hast` | any chrome user? does anyone encounter some kind of memory leak from chrome? my chrome sometimes makes my debian very slow / cluttered after i left it for hours (chrome still running in background) |
| 21:19.06 | jimbooo5 | this is sounding great!! thanks!! i was also curious about how difficult it will be to set up debian stable with respect to getting drivers--i'm used to the mint/ubuntu out-of-the-box mentality. I know I can follow a how-to online and punch in commands if need-be, will that be enough to use debian stable. I know it gets a lot trickier with sid, but in stable its not too complicated, right? |
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| 21:20.02 | hast` | i prefer chrome over iceweasel |
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| 21:21.22 | romain_ | jimbooo5: I find Debian 7.4 kind of out-of-the-box too since it's a pretty recent release most driver are included |
| 21:21.36 | jackbrown | is there anyone able to watch this video in full screen mode ? http://www.iene.mediaset.it/puntate/2014/03/26/viviani-alimentazione-e-tumori_8468.shtml ??????? |
| 21:22.08 | romain_ | hast`: I use chromium, I never has special memory leak with it, I don't know |
| 21:22.38 | hast` | whats the difference chromium and chrome |
| 21:22.39 | socomm | jackbrown: I don't know if I'm brave enough to click on that link |
| 21:23.02 | hast` | i installed it from google chrome website |
| 21:23.03 | socomm | hast`: chromium is beta version of chrome, or soemthing to that affect |
| 21:23.17 | jackbrown | socomm: ? |
| 21:23.30 | petn-randall | jackbrown: I don't see a full screen button with that video. |
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| 21:23.49 | jackbrown | petn-randall: same here thanks |
| 21:23.51 | socomm | jackbrown: lol, I like how you cross posted on #linux too |
| 21:24.42 | hast` | i think it's because i use too much background apps on chrome |
| 21:24.58 | socomm | hast`: isn't there a chrome channel on this network? |
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| 21:25.04 | jackbrown | socomm: srry |
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| 21:25.06 | hast` | dunno |
| 21:25.27 | hast` | never been into specific chrome channel |
| 21:25.40 | petn-randall | !tell hast` -about chromium |
| 21:25.42 | socomm | hast`: there seems to be a #chromium channel here |
| 21:26.28 | hast` | gonna try that one |
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| 21:27.11 | centrx | hast`, Uninstall the software from Google, and install the software from Debian: chromium |
| 21:27.35 | hast` | seems like a graveyard over there |
| 21:28.23 | jimbooo5 | romain_: Well this all sounds good and is exactly what I was expecting/hoping for. like i said before--im not completely useless when it comes to linux, but I am by no means an expert. Debian stable sounds PERFECT for me. Another reason I like debian is the vast community along with mountains of info online to help me solve problems in the future. |
| 21:28.23 | babilen | hast`: Grab pepperflashplugin-nonfree if you want Chrome's flash integrated in chromium |
| 21:28.50 | babilen | hast`: We can, as you can surely imagine, not really support software not packaged in Debian |
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| 21:29.35 | hast` | how do i reply to specific chat here? |
| 21:30.17 | centrx | hast`, Type the person's nick and use tab completion |
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| 21:30.30 | hast` | centrx: thanks |
| 21:30.49 | petn-randall | hast`: It's custom to include the name of the person, so their IRC client highlights that line. Also what centrx said. |
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| 21:32.00 | hast` | petn-randall: my first day on irc :-) |
| 21:32.15 | petn-randall | hast`: No problem, we all started out like that :) |
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| 21:32.46 | jimbooo5 | petn-randall: so is your name highlighted when I do it like this? |
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| 21:33.01 | hast` | not really |
| 21:33.21 | hast` | petn-randall: no, it seems like you're talking to somebody else :-) |
| 21:33.37 | petn-randall | jimbooo5: Yes, my IRC client does that for me. The whole line is then in bright yellow. |
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| 21:34.25 | hast` | petn-randall: on my client it's only highlighted the name |
| 21:34.38 | hast` | petn-randall: what kind of client you're using? |
| 21:35.15 | petn-randall | hast`: irssi |
| 21:35.59 | hast` | petn-randall: ah i'm from inside emacs ERC |
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| 21:36.45 | jimbooo5 | petn-randall: mine only does the name too--as long as you can see it clearly. I really appreciate the help too. Im looking forward to my new, and hopefully, best distro yet! |
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| 21:36.51 | k^ | is it possible to see how many traffic gone through a specific interface (eth0) since i booted it up the first time? |
| 21:37.03 | k^ | since i installed it |
| 21:37.26 | centrx | k^, ifconfig |
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| 21:40.32 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 21:40.53 | jimbooo5 | I've read online that some people think debian testing(jessie) is more stable than other distro's stable release. Is that a fair claim? also, since ubuntu and mint are based off debian testing(not stable), will i therefore be able to use debian testing in a similar way? |
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| 21:41.36 | johnfg | just ran into a (sort of) gimp problem. I was going to print an image with gutenprint, but the dialog page is bigger than my laptop screen, and there's no was to resize it smaller, or get to the actual print button! |
| 21:41.39 | centrx | jimbooo5, Start with stable, you can always upgrade to testing later. |
| 21:41.44 | Nik05 | jimbooo5 ubuntu and mint arent based off testing |
| 21:41.52 | johnfg | Any ideas? |
| 21:42.16 | Nik05 | mint is based on ubuntum and ubuntu was/is half based on debian or something (no idea how that works) |
| 21:42.45 | Nik05 | there is Mint Debian though, which is based on Debian |
| 21:42.46 | centrx | Ubuntu and LMDE are both based on testing/unstable |
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| 21:43.11 | jimbooo5 | nik05: oh, i thought i had read that somewhere--maybe what im thinking of is that LMDE(mint debian) is based off of debian testing? ill defer to the experts here though. . . |
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| 21:43.35 | jimbooo5 | nik05: oh you just said that |
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| 21:45.15 | jimbooo5 | Either way i think i will start with debian 7.4, get used to debian and go from there. One day I would like to know more about my machine and OS and debian seems like a good way to make baby-steps toward that goal. . . |
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| 21:51.36 | jimbooo5 | I can't remember the name of the program now, but someone was talking about a program that checks all debian packages for bugs before you install them. This is only necessary for testing and sid, but not needed for stable. I know this sounds bad, but I should be safe "blindly" updating my system when updates come through without going through each package, right? the same thing goes for upgrading from wheezy to stable jessie, doe |
| 21:52.07 | k^ | <centrx> k^, ifconfig < his shows just the traffic since the last reboot, thats not what i want |
| 21:52.13 | wols | apt-listbugs |
| 21:52.24 | jimbooo5 | yes--that was it |
| 21:52.40 | jimbooo5 | wols: should i be using that with debian stable? |
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| 21:52.56 | wols | if you want to you can |
| 21:52.58 | centrx | jimbooo5, Stable updates are very safe. Testing updates are automatically verified as having no reported critical bugs |
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| 21:54.34 | jimbooo5 | ok, so i wont need to do that while using stable. . . i will keep it mind and start practicing with it though--it can't be a BAD habit to have. . . |
| 21:55.09 | zr0 | i can't chgrp or chown a file on an nfs mount because the server doesn't know the uid/gid.. how do i configure the server nfs to store the ids directly? |
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| 21:55.22 | jimbooo5 | thanks again to everyone who is helping me out--i wish I had some more interesting/challenging questions for you. . .maybe one day |
| 21:55.24 | centrx | jimbooo5, The default configuration for apt-listbugs is probably to report bugs in unstable, not stable |
| 21:56.35 | jimbooo5 | centrix: ahh, i see. i have much to learn about this. I'll jump into debian stable in a few days, then go slowly from there. . . |
| 22:03.55 | jimbooo5 | i need to go eat. . . THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help. I couldn't find all the answers i needed before, but now i feel very confidnet about debian. maybe i just overthought this whole thing. I look forward to joinng your community. thanks again for your patience and clear answers. |
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| 22:06.14 | SrvK | How can I get an amd radeon r9 270x to run fast on debian stable? |
| 22:07.23 | wols | you backport fglrx |
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| 22:32.29 | VsioZashibis | hi all. aptitude search iostat does not find anything. help please ? |
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| 22:36.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell VsioZashibis about apt-file |
| 22:36.17 | centrx | VsioZashibis, Seems unlikely, what about apt-cache search iostat ? It's in package named sysstat |
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| 22:36.54 | babilen | VsioZashibis: apt-file search -x "bin/iostat$" |
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| 22:37.59 | HiDeHo | hi all what up today. |
| 22:38.11 | johnfg | I just have a totally weird thing going on. My website, for some unknown reason, is going to the router, instead of opening the home page. |
| 22:38.34 | HiDeHo | just wanting to know what the best base version of a net install is to get |
| 22:38.37 | johnfg | Is there some kind of an update that changed a network file? |
| 22:38.58 | HiDeHo | there are several bases of debian available |
| 22:39.15 | VsioZashibis | thanks, apt-cache search iostat |
| 22:39.16 | VsioZashibis | worked |
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| 22:41.25 | centrx | HiDeHo, What different versions are you referring to? |
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| 22:42.25 | HiDeHo | centrx: with debian there are different base os version current, stable, testing etc etc |
| 22:42.59 | HiDeHo | centrx: they are all the bass os versions of debian am i right. |
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| 22:43.27 | centrx | HiDeHo, Get stable. Stable is the released, stable version. |
| 22:43.45 | HiDeHo | ok what are the other versions for then |
| 22:45.25 | centrx | HiDeHo, Testing and Unstable are development/bleeding edge versions. https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#view |
| 22:46.22 | HiDeHo | right i understand like ubuntu and mint main versions vrs Long Term Support |
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| 22:46.36 | HiDeHo | thanks. |
| 22:47.27 | HiDeHo | i also thought that debian had a rolling release too |
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| 22:47.37 | jiohdi | why would aptitude install -f try to install nvidia after I purged it? |
| 22:47.48 | cafuego | jiohdi: somehting depends on it |
| 22:48.05 | jiohdi | cafuego, how do I find out what/ |
| 22:48.07 | jiohdi | ? |
| 22:49.08 | centrx | HiDeHo, Some people use Testing as a rolling release |
| 22:49.24 | HiDeHo | centrx: do you know about rolling release of debian |
| 22:49.29 | HiDeHo | oh ok thanks |
| 22:49.50 | jiohdi | linuxmint debian addition is a rolling release of debian sort of |
| 22:50.17 | HiDeHo | centrx: so whats teh difference between testing and unstable then |
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| 22:50.21 | jiohdi | its mostly debian with a few mint extras |
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| 22:51.11 | jiohdi | testing is like alpha and beta for the next release, most of the stuff is supposed to work but no one is sure until people TEST the whole |
| 22:51.27 | jiohdi | things do not always get along in the field |
| 22:51.32 | jiohdi | even if they work individually |
| 22:51.51 | HiDeHo | jiohdi: have you used Linux mint Debian at all |
| 22:51.53 | jiohdi | when they get enough of the bugs out they call it the new name officially |
| 22:51.53 | centrx | HiDeHo, Generally, packages are migrated from unstable automatically after they meet certain criteria. |
| 22:52.17 | jiohdi | HiDeHo, yes, but never liked it, always had hickups and stalls and complete lock ups |
| 22:52.44 | jiohdi | I have not used it in over a year so it may be better now |
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| 22:53.20 | HiDeHo | jiohdi: i have heard that debian testing is more stable than linux mint debian. maybe it has something to do with it using Mint Desktop Masnager over the default debian one |
| 22:53.56 | jiohdi | yes mint uses some of their own stuff which is not considered stable by debian |
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| 22:54.38 | HiDeHo | jiohdi: that stuff is stable in the main mint version it just does not like to run on debian much. |
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| 22:55.41 | jiohdi | like every computer set of packages bugs will be found, sometimes soon sometimes later, but eventually they all have bugs |
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| 22:55.57 | jiohdi | bbl |
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| 22:56.32 | mcurran | anybody here know if it should be safe to use the webupd8team repo in debian? I know it's for ubuntu, but I'd like to get their pidgin integration into gnome3. Just wondering if anybody here has tried of if I should stick to the source packages. |
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| 22:58.40 | xrcl567 | i have a bit of a mysterious issue where my space bar doesn't insert a space 20% of the time i press. it doesn't do this in windows so i don't think it is bad hardware. |
| 22:59.32 | mo1991 | mcurran - I have backported a package or two from that repo - I would recommend backporting the source from the repo rather than installing binaries, as these were typically built with different versions of libc6, etc |
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| 23:00.13 | mo1991 | you can use /msg dpkg simple sid backports for instructions - obviously use the webupd8 source line rather than the sid source line |
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| 23:02.45 | mcurran | mo1991, what do you mean by backporting? just adding the repo temporarily and targeting the package with apt, then removing? |
| 23:03.06 | mcurran | oh, sorry didn't see your second reply |
| 23:03.07 | mcurran | sorry |
| 23:03.09 | mcurran | thank you |
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| 23:03.57 | mo1991 | mcurran - it means recompiling the source packages with the debian versions of libc6, etc so that the packages are "built" to be used with debian stable |
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| 23:04.23 | mcurran | ah, okay. what have you grabbed from them? |
| 23:04.30 | mo1991 | as opposed to just installing the binary .deb files. instead you recompile the source to make your own ".deb" file that is fit for debian stable |
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| 23:04.52 | mo1991 | grab them from the ubuntu 12.04 repo of webupd8 |
| 23:04.55 | mcurran | I'm looking for a nice dock too, was wondering if there's a way to make dockey look nice in gnome3, on the bottom, instead of on the right. |
| 23:05.27 | mo1991 | mcurran, I'm sure there is a way to do that, but I don't use gnome 3. xfce for me |
| 23:05.33 | mcurran | cool, thank you. I usually build all my packages from source, so basically it would be the same to grab the source packages and build and install |
| 23:05.48 | mcurran | do you have compiz still working? |
| 23:05.50 | mo1991 | yes, just using the ubuntu source rather than debian's source |
| 23:05.54 | mo1991 | yes |
| 23:05.59 | mcurran | nice |
| 23:06.04 | mo1991 | i use compiz form debian snapshot. |
| 23:06.17 | mo1991 | the old .8 version before it left the debian repo |
| 23:06.39 | mo1991 | adding this repo # deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20130815T034749Z/ sid main |
| 23:06.41 | mcurran | i was thinking of trying to get compiz running on gnome classic, so I have both. because I was gonna do a separate install of arch for compiz but... |
| 23:06.56 | mcurran | I use jessie/sid, with mostly unstable |
| 23:07.09 | mo1991 | will get you compiz - just make sure you only install compiz and then disable. Google debian snapshots for a howto on installing stuff from snapshot |
| 23:07.11 | mcurran | so that works i guess |
| 23:07.29 | mcurran | k, thank you. |
| 23:07.34 | mo1991 | ya, I use wheezy / stable and compiz works fine with it |
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| 23:08.22 | mo1991 | although i do use emerald version .72 to make windows look nicer. you can find .deb files for emerald .72 by googling - some old ubuntu version i think |
| 23:08.44 | mcurran | yeah, i was thinking it might be possible to have compiz with gnome-classic from gdm, but i guess you're right, it would probably be work to pick the compositor and everything when I want to switch back to gnome 3, thought maybe i could configure the script so it was a simple pick on the gdm screen at login |
| 23:10.12 | mcurran | i don't know why gnome insists on removing everything before a replacement is ready. Maybe the code is cleaner and more efficient, but maybe the whole world doesn't want to wait fifteen years until something equal to compiz gets coded. seems like they just threw away all those years of joint/work |
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| 23:11.05 | mo1991 | there is a mate repo for debian - that compiz would work with - mate is basically old gnome 2 with some updates |
| 23:11.24 | mo1991 | i don't think compiz will work proper with gnome 3 |
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| 23:15.02 | HiDeHo | mcurran: i would not trust using ubuntu repos in debian. although ubuntu was first built on a debian os usually apps are not compatible. cauld even break your debian os doing that |
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| 23:16.01 | HiDeHo | compiz works with gnome 3 in ubuntu really well. |
| 23:16.29 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - i agree with you in principal, but as long as you compile the code yourself and install only the deb you have "backported" - it's shouldn't break your system as it can easily be removed - and won't pull the other dependancies from ubuntu repo |
| 23:17.06 | mo1991 | pulling dependancies from ubuntu or any other depo is bad news - aka mixing distributions - even stable with testing, etc |
| 23:17.12 | HiDeHo | mo1991: then if the person knows how to do it and understands teh risks then its ok to try |
| 23:17.26 | HiDeHo | yes |
| 23:17.44 | mo1991 | to me as long as they compile it from source - rather than install with apt - as that can easily pull a bunch of dependancies |
| 23:18.05 | mo1991 | this at least minimizes the risks |
| 23:18.41 | HiDeHo | there are apps that can convert .rpm to .deb etc which can work to a degree but also not guaranteed. it always paies to get teh source code and compile from scratch |
| 23:19.11 | mo1991 | personally I do everything in my power to use "stable" only - and have just a few "backported" packages that I compile to get a few things not included in wheezy |
| 23:20.07 | mo1991 | most things can be gotten from backporting from testing or unstable. only a very few things, like minitube latest version for example, that webupd8 has that debian doesn't yet |
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| 23:20.23 | HiDeHo | yea i got an old ;aptop the other day with xp on it. going to install a debian net install and what i need. it be my first debian os. as i have used mint, ubuntu and mint-debian i have an idea of what apps i like. |
| 23:20.32 | HiDeHo | and i prefer xfce which is good |
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| 23:21.16 | mo1991 | i'd start with debian stable. much more stable than any ewbuntu or mint stuff |
| 23:21.22 | HiDeHo | that laptop has 512mb ram will debian run on that ok ' |
| 23:21.43 | HiDeHo | well mint is more stable than ubuntu |
| 23:21.43 | mo1991 | it will run. won't be a speed racer but it should run |
| 23:22.01 | mo1991 | eh, mint is ubuntu really, unless you use lmde |
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| 23:22.09 | HiDeHo | cool when i find my other laptop ram i will see if it is the same type and get more. |
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| 23:23.12 | HiDeHo | no mint is not ubuntu really at all. it includes by default many thing that ubuntu will not. ubuntu only uses unity now. and there are other ubuntu based version with different desktops |
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| 23:23.40 | HiDeHo | again mint is built on ubuntu but its removed from it. although it uses the exact same repos. |
| 23:23.50 | mo1991 | of course, but the base system of mint is using ubuntu packages |
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| 23:23.57 | HiDeHo | mint has ben my main linux os for a long while |
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| 23:24.21 | HiDeHo | unlike debian and ubuntu |
| 23:24.22 | mo1991 | they add their own "mate" build or Cinnimon build, but under the hood mint uses ubuntu packages for most things |
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| 23:24.36 | HiDeHo | yes i know but its not ubunjtu |
| 23:24.41 | mo1991 | don't get me wrong, I like mint, It was just not stable enough for me |
| 23:24.57 | HiDeHo | mo1991: in what way ' |
| 23:25.01 | chrisoprase | Hi, I was attempting to backport qbittorrent for wheezy, using pbuilder with arch=amd64, and I got the following error related to debian rules: https://gist.github.com/oljcvw/5fcbd72d039bfb749d65 |
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| 23:25.33 | chrisoprase | Any idea it it's a problem on my end, or if I should file a bug? |
| 23:25.37 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - there were bugs in some of the ubuntu packages that never got fixed. Even in the LTS version |
| 23:25.52 | mo1991 | I run a lot of things tho - and small bugs annoy me |
| 23:26.21 | HiDeHo | i hav enever found any bugs in lts and lts is my main mint os |
| 23:26.33 | mo1991 | mint is the equivalent of testing/sid - imo - the LTS versions is better but still based off debian "testing" which I also find too unstable for my use |
| 23:26.44 | centrx | chrisoprase, Does it work with a regular build not in pbuilder? |
| 23:26.52 | mo1991 | yes, I have found bugs in LTS, which is basically ubuntu 12.04 packages |
| 23:27.05 | mo1991 | I'm running servers and things also tho, not just a desktop |
| 23:27.14 | chrisoprase | centrx: that's what I tried first, the error was exactly the same |
| 23:27.17 | tremon | chrisoprase: that's not a debian/rules failure though. Either the compiler or one of the libraries has changed |
| 23:27.22 | zykotick9 | mo1991: you do realize this is not ubuntu/mint support right? why discuss it here? |
| 23:27.31 | mo1991 | fair enough |
| 23:27.53 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.20 | chrisoprase | tremon: so where do I go from there? |
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| 23:31.13 | tremon | chrisoprase: inspect the code, see if you can identify the line that caused the error and why. Then ask the developers if it's a known issue. You may have to cherry-pick some patches, but at this point that's just guessing |
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| 23:33.49 | ct0 | is there any information available on downgrading from sid to stable? |
| 23:34.05 | tremon | only the installation guide |
| 23:35.03 | tremon | although, if you're willing to wait a year, then start tracking jessie now and you will have migrated from sid to stable in about 14 months or so |
| 23:35.45 | ct0 | tremon, talking to me? |
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| 23:35.52 | tremon | yes |
| 23:36.05 | petn-randall | !downgrading |
| 23:36.05 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:36.17 | petn-randall | ct0: ^^^ |
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| 23:36.48 | petn-randall | ct0: You can downgrade a few packaged and fix any fallout, but I'd reinstall before you start doing that for all packages. |
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| 23:37.11 | ct0 | i see |
| 23:37.19 | ct0 | maybe a parcial downgrad is what im looking for |
| 23:37.31 | ct0 | *partial |
| 23:37.33 | HiDeHo | mo1991: i am going to follow this tutorial and go from there |
| 23:37.38 | HiDeHo | http://sneekygeekers.com/2014/04/01/how-to-install-debian-using-netinstall-media/ |
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| 23:37.44 | petn-randall | ct0: So you're running sid and you've hit a bug? |
| 23:38.12 | ct0 | petn-randall, yes, i believe that there is a problem with network manager after my computer wakes from a suspend |
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| 23:39.36 | ct0 | something gets stuck in disabled mode and will not restart, but im new to linux and more likely do not know all the tricks |
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| 23:40.44 | tremon | ct0: note that "partial downgrade" implies that you're running stable, but it's been contaminated with a few packages from sid and you want to remove those packages |
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| 23:41.01 | tremon | it's not possible to run sid, but then downgrade a few packages to stable |
| 23:41.02 | HiDeHo | mo1991: here are the specks HP Compaq nx9000, Celeron Mobile 2.4GHz, 512MB DDR RAM, 40G HDD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW, 14.1" SCREEN, |
| 23:41.15 | HiDeHo | is this a 64 or 32 bit |
| 23:41.48 | critter | Hi, wich windows software should I use to create debian usb bootable? |
| 23:41.58 | HiDeHo | critt |
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| 23:42.09 | HiDeHo | critter: unetbootin |
| 23:42.11 | ct0 | tremon, so what are my options? reinstall to stable because i know that works? submit a bug report ( something i've never done), or find a particular package and reinstall an alternate, or the unnknown? |
| 23:42.20 | HiDeHo | its available on windows and linux |
| 23:42.29 | tremon | HiDeHo: that's almost impossible to know, Intel has used the celeron name for too many different cpu lines. I'd use the 32-bit version though, you're unlikely to benefit much from going 64-bit |
| 23:42.55 | dvs | critter: NO, win32diskimager |
| 23:42.57 | HiDeHo | why is that tremon |
| 23:42.59 | critter | HiDeHo, I remember some on this channel talking against unetbootin, something about iso format, cant remember |
| 23:43.07 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo: fyi, suggesting unetbootin might not be the best... unetbootin is KNOWN to cause problems with debian ISOs |
| 23:43.09 | HiDeHo | if i have a 64 bit pc i always go 64bit os |
| 23:43.22 | critter | dvs that was the one! |
| 23:43.32 | critter | HiDeHo, dvs: thx!!! |
| 23:43.40 | dvs | no prob |
| 23:43.41 | HiDeHo | Zyferus: ok well it works for all iso's i have tried. |
| 23:43.49 | tremon | ct0: yes, pretty much. I can't think of more options right now. But I don't use network-manager, maybe others have more suggestions |
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| 23:45.03 | HiDeHo | tremon: why did you recomend 32 bit |
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| 23:45.19 | HiDeHo | critter: no probs |
| 23:45.22 | plasma__ | when I install the wine package (wine 1.6.2-8, wine64, libwine:amd64) and try to run /usr/bin/wine, I get the following error: |
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| 23:45.24 | plasma__ | unable to find wine executable: the wine32 package probably needs to be installed. |
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| 23:45.29 | tremon | HiDeHo: you mean, other than "you're unlikely to benefit much from going 64-bit"? |
| 23:45.49 | plasma__ | sorry, though I was in #debian-next |
| 23:46.07 | HiDeHo | yes if it was a 64 bit computer why would i not benifit from using a 64 bit os |
| 23:46.08 | tremon | plasma__: most likely, you need to dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 23:46.26 | plasma__ | tremon: I tried that, but it didn't affect anything, even after apt-get update, apt-get install wine32. however I'm on Jessie and I think I'm in the wrong room |
| 23:46.29 | HiDeHo | plasma__: how did you install wine |
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| 23:46.42 | tremon | plasma__: iirc, you need wine:i386 not wine32 |
| 23:46.42 | ct0 | thanks tremon |
| 23:47.19 | plasma__ | HiDeHo: just sudo apt-get install wine |
| 23:47.41 | tremon | HiDeHo: because intel's earlier 64-bit implementations were rubbish (not really, but they had developed their own em64t and lost out to amd's instruction set. So intel had to catchup) |
| 23:47.42 | plasma__ | tremon: I can try apt-get install wine:i386 |
| 23:48.32 | tremon | HiDeHo: and 64-bit executables are larger than their 32-bit equivalents. Since you're not swimming in plenty of RAM, smaller binaries may be a good thing |
| 23:48.54 | HiDeHo | tremon: i see so early 64boit computers are beter to run 32 bit os great thanks |
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| 23:49.53 | tremon | pretty much yes :) |
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| 23:51.43 | plasma__ | tremon: that worked, thanks |
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