| 00:01.03 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - as a side note I'd upgrade your ram if you can - cheap now days - it will run better with 1 gb ram and based on your spects you can probably update to a gig at least |
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| 00:04.56 | GJdan | Does debian have any plans of adopting mariadb instead of, or as well as mysql? |
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| 00:10.03 | HiDeHo | monot cheep at all more expensive than modern ram. trust me. anyway i do have some old laptop ram here when i find it i will see if its better |
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| 00:11.39 | petn-randall | GJdan: MariaDB is packaged in jessie, so it will likely be in the next release. |
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| 00:22.07 | StrangeCharm | I'm using Stable. I just installed the hibernate package (v 2.0+15+g88d54a8-1 ). Do I need to reboot before I can use it, or should it work immediately? |
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| 00:27.00 | izumi | Hello, new here and just one question: How can I get a full list of unstable(sid)-package marked as [ essential ] on packages.debian.org ? (e.g. "base-files" & "perl-base" & "base-passwd";these packages's page on packages.debian.org has a "[essential]" suffix after headline.) Try to google but seems no result... |
| 00:27.21 | themill | aptitude search ~E |
| 00:27.51 | izumi | OK:) |
| 00:28.04 | themill | (note that apt adds itself into that list out of self importance) |
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| 00:30.12 | HiDeHo | darn it all i have just got a debian net install cd. the cd will not respong to the keyboard so i cant instal the os. i tested it on another computer and it works fine. |
| 00:30.19 | HiDeHo | any ideas |
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| 00:31.31 | HiDeHo | is there anything i can do |
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| 00:31.47 | HiDeHo | mo1991: are you still around |
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| 00:32.54 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 00:33.12 | Gregor2 | can annyone tell me how to reset the settings of xchat? |
| 00:33.30 | HiDeHo | what settings exactly |
| 00:33.38 | Gregor2 | colours and |
| 00:33.44 | Gregor2 | basically everythin |
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| 00:34.08 | Gregor2 | i reinstalled it but that doesnt works! |
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| 00:34.35 | HiDeHo | dont know about that but if you find the xchat folder in ~/ then you may be able to delete that then on next boot it should be fine |
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| 00:35.09 | HiDeHo | Gregor2: you first need to run sudo apt-get purge xchat |
| 00:35.12 | HiDeHo | then reinstall |
| 00:35.40 | Gregor2 | really |
| 00:35.51 | Gregor2 | what exactly does that command? |
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| 00:36.10 | themill | there's no need to purge or even reinstall the package |
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| 00:37.21 | themill | Gregor2: from memory, there's an ~/.xchat2 directory that has the user's configuration |
| 00:37.55 | Gregor2 | i clicked remove completly on synaptic! |
| 00:38.04 | Gregor2 | is that the same as purge? |
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| 00:39.39 | Gregor2 | but why dont the file gets deleted if i uninstall the package? |
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| 00:40.10 | Brigo | Gregor2, if you like files deleted then you need to purge packages. |
| 00:40.28 | themill | Gregor2: files inside a user's home directory are never touched by the package management system. |
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| 00:40.49 | Gregor2 | isnt that the same as clicking delete completly in synaptic? |
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| 00:41.09 | danlamanna | so encrypted lvm setup is telling me it "fails to mount /boot as type ext2", i get rid of /boot to try and keep everything on / - and it complains about not having a /boot |
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| 00:49.32 | grifx | Hello |
| 00:49.38 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - if possible connect an external keyboard for install - I've had this issue before. Should work fine once it's installed, but may need to use external keyboard to get it installed |
| 00:49.55 | grifx | I am on ubuntu, I would like to set a Environment variable permanently |
| 00:50.14 | grifx | I wich folder should I do that ? |
| 00:50.19 | grifx | In wich |
| 00:50.23 | cafuego | grifx: you're on the wrong channel. |
| 00:50.26 | cafuego | this is #debian |
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| 00:50.35 | grifx | ok i am on debian |
| 00:50.55 | grifx | Where should I set the environment variable ? |
| 00:51.15 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - not sure what that is, perhaps installer uses an older kernel - but I've seen this before and using an external wired keyboard for install should solve the issue |
| 00:52.18 | cafuego | grifx: Same file you edit when switching from ubuntu to debian in 5 seconds. |
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| 00:52.50 | jiohdi | I just tried upgrading to the 3.13 kernel but things keep locking up, any suggestions, everything still works using the 3.2 |
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| 00:54.32 | grifx | cafuego, I have a lot of machine |
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| 00:54.43 | grifx | I just want to know where to put that |
| 00:57.07 | mo1991 | jiohdi - why did you upgrade the kernel? Stable kernel is 3.2 |
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| 00:57.55 | mo1991 | if it works I'd stick to 3.2 - only upgrade if you really need to. |
| 00:58.26 | mo1991 | are you upgrading the kernel from backports? |
| 01:00.09 | jiohdi | someone suggested here earlier, thought it would be the better kernel overall... so I guess I will stick with 3.2 |
| 01:00.23 | jiohdi | it was from backport |
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| 01:01.24 | mo1991 | IMHO - sticking with the "stable" kernel is a good idea unless you have hardware that you really need the newer kernel. Stable kernel will get security updates, etc whereas backports will not i believe |
| 01:01.37 | monkwitdafunk | 7.4.0 wheezy has a kernel upgrade from 7.3.0? |
| 01:02.03 | mo1991 | i try to always stick to "stable" packages as these are the best supported ones unless absolutely needed |
| 01:02.39 | monkwitdafunk | my amd fusion loves the higher kernel of the 3.x.x |
| 01:02.50 | mo1991 | debian does not upgrade things "just to be new" Newer does not always mean better |
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| 01:03.08 | HiDeHo | has anyone had any trouble with keyboard not working in live media |
| 01:03.26 | HiDeHo | i cant install debain netinstall on my old laptop |
| 01:03.28 | mo1991 | HiDeHo see my previous comments |
| 01:03.31 | jiohdi | new kernel often means better hardware support |
| 01:03.39 | HiDeHo | oh sorry mo1991 |
| 01:03.55 | mo1991 | try external wired keyboard for install |
| 01:04.10 | HiDeHo | mo1991: tried external keybard and not working either |
| 01:04.13 | mo1991 | hopefully you have one around |
| 01:04.26 | mo1991 | did you boot up with external keyboard? |
| 01:04.41 | monkwitdafunk | Proprietary patch setting uses 2.x.x kernels |
| 01:05.00 | HiDeHo | yet both keyboards can access the bios and work in the xp os on it |
| 01:05.17 | HiDeHo | this laptop sux |
| 01:05.28 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - also what do you mean by live media? Id try the standard net install debian stable cd |
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| 01:06.03 | HiDeHo | mo1991: its just this one laptop the same cd works ok on another |
| 01:06.30 | monkwitdafunk | How is nasa doing with debian? |
| 01:06.38 | HiDeHo | mo1991: oh brother live media means the iso that is burnt to cd or on a usb |
| 01:06.49 | HiDeHo | mo1991: i have that |
| 01:06.52 | HiDeHo | this is what i tried. |
| 01:07.12 | mo1991 | one thing about old computers - typically they are pretty well supported via linux |
| 01:07.47 | mo1991 | I thought you mean a live boot cd - there are some hybrids out there that boot to a live os |
| 01:07.49 | HiDeHo | mo1991: live media is a common general term meaning an operating system run from cd or usb that is used for testing or installing. |
| 01:07.52 | monkwitdafunk | Basic input and output will give you the option to boot from dvd |
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| 01:08.52 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - anyway, in my experience live cd means that the cd boots a useable os from the cd, as opposed to a install cd. |
| 01:09.05 | mo1991 | was just checking you were using the standard net install cd |
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| 01:09.43 | HiDeHo | ok i understand |
| 01:09.49 | HiDeHo | yes i am |
| 01:10.09 | HiDeHo | i have tried 2 versions of the stable net install with different kernels and still nothing |
| 01:10.19 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - so if you reboot with the external wired keyboard plugged in and boot from the net install cd you still have no keyboard? |
| 01:10.27 | HiDeHo | igot a net install and a mini install |
| 01:10.50 | HiDeHo | its blooming frakking shite atm |
| 01:10.53 | mo1991 | and you are using the "stable" net install? |
| 01:11.01 | HiDeHo | oh well i may have to try another os on this |
| 01:11.48 | mo1991 | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 01:12.01 | mo1991 | meaning the "stable " net install cd from this page? |
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| 01:13.39 | HiDeHo | i have tried the net install from debain site and http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 01:14.54 | mo1991 | HiDeHo - I'd try the official one from the debian site as above |
| 01:14.54 | HiDeHo | mo1991: the difference is the netinstall has the core files whereas the mini iso doesnt |
| 01:15.04 | HiDeHo | mo1991: listen to me |
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| 01:15.12 | mo1991 | dunno, I"ve never done the mini - but I'd guess yes |
| 01:15.43 | HiDeHo | i have tried the one from the debian site what you say is official, and the mini install as mentioned above. ok to eliminate kernel problems |
| 01:15.44 | mo1991 | the "core" files could easily be your keyboard drivers |
| 01:16.22 | HiDeHo | so both versions dont work. is there a net install that uses an older kernet |
| 01:16.29 | HiDeHo | * kernel |
| 01:17.39 | mo1991 | HiDeHo, I am suggesting you boot the net install disc from the debian site. With an external keyboard attached. Have you done this? |
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| 01:18.28 | HiDeHo | mo1991: you dont listen do you. i already answered that and said that i have. and both keyboards will get me into bios. just not in the cd. |
| 01:19.08 | mo1991 | HiDeHo, I was just checking. as for listening, me ma always told me i didn't listen |
| 01:19.40 | mo1991 | I am trying to help you. if my help annoys you, well then, I can stop :) |
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| 01:28.00 | HiDeHo | mo1991: its not you its just i dont like repeating my self to often thats all |
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| 01:29.58 | HiDeHo | mo1991: i appricate your help. |
| 01:30.16 | HiDeHo | i think somehow now that the cd may be freesing somehow. both version i got |
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| 01:32.37 | HiDeHo | knows that mo1991 is a nice helpful guy. |
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| 01:37.56 | organmeat | I keep trying to install tor |
| 01:38.02 | organmeat | and i get this weird bash error |
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| 01:38.11 | organmeat | in my terminal with a bunch of gobbledy gook |
| 01:38.13 | organmeat | what does this mean? |
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| 01:38.27 | organmeat | http://imgur.com/feq03xk |
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| 01:39.32 | danlamanna | can anyone assist me with this disk configuration http://imgur.com/rVeiIQb giving me a "attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in lvm vg athos, lv bootfs at /boot failed" |
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| 01:44.42 | centrx | somiaj, Thanks |
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| 01:52.14 | nullbyte_ | why debian uses outdated packages |
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| 01:52.24 | FungiFox | stable you mean? |
| 01:52.34 | nullbyte_ | the newest one are more stable |
| 01:52.39 | nullbyte_ | stable rel yes |
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| 01:54.03 | centrx | nullbyte_, The released stable distribution of Debian only updates packages between major releases for security fixes and core usability fixes. |
| 01:54.11 | FungiFox | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 01:54.17 | FungiFox | is that what you are looking for? |
| 01:54.22 | danlamanna | i wonder why partition manager doesn't have the bootable flag option.. |
| 01:54.50 | LtL | danlamanna: because it's not needed |
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| 01:55.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nullbyte_ about meaning of stable |
| 01:57.11 | danlamanna | then i'm out of ideas :-/ |
| 01:57.59 | centrx | dpkg: love |
| 01:57.59 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
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| 02:07.31 | niriven | Hi, I am trying the installation images for testing / jessie with non-free firmware. When booting the image though, it does not seem to find the firmware for my intel wireless card. Stable (7.4) does. Am i missing something here? |
| 02:08.09 | somiaj | niriven: using the testing installer is not teh suggested way to install testing. |
| 02:08.12 | centrx | dpkg, tell niriven about testing installer |
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| 02:08.31 | somiaj | niriven: install a stable base system, dist-upgrade to testing. |
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| 02:08.52 | niriven | fair enough |
| 02:09.05 | niriven | thank you |
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| 03:10.29 | xchg | hi, how to I make the changes made to the limit.conf take effect on current shell? |
| 03:10.56 | centrx | xchg, Might have to re-login |
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| 03:31.58 | WalterN | how do I install bison 2 on debian testing? (bison 3 seems to have issues) |
| 03:32.51 | centrx | WalterN, You could try source-porting it from the wheezy source. |
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| 03:33.25 | WalterN | centrx: grabbing the source from wheezy and compiling it? |
| 03:33.40 | centrx | dpkg: tell WalterN about ssb |
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| 03:34.17 | centrx | WalterN, Follow those instructions from dpkg, except change the sources to sid, and ignore the parts about backports. |
| 03:34.20 | somiaj | ,v bison2 |
| 03:34.22 | judd | No package named 'bison2' was found in i386. |
| 03:34.27 | centrx | WalterN, Or change it from sid to wheezy, rather |
| 03:35.38 | somiaj | looks like besides for the libbison-dev dependency, they are all >= requirements. There is a chance the bniary packages in squeeze will just work |
| 03:35.57 | centrx | ,v bison |
| 03:35.58 | judd | Package: bison on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.4.1.dfsg-3; wheezy: 1:2.5.dfsg-2.1; jessie: 2:3.0.2.dfsg-2; sid: 2:3.0.2.dfsg-2 |
| 03:36.05 | somiaj | just don't add squeeze to your sources.list, but you may be able to get away with just installing the wheezy version in jessie |
| 03:36.19 | somiaj | but I would check teh bug reports, and see why the version in wheezy isn't working for you |
| 03:37.18 | WalterN | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=167276 basically that issue |
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| 03:39.26 | centrx | Interesting |
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| 03:43.10 | WalterN | can I tweak the control file so it does not depend on a specific version of libbison-dev? |
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| 03:44.11 | centrx | So you're going to use the newer version of libbison-dev? |
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| 03:44.27 | WalterN | I guess... unless thats a bad idea |
| 03:45.03 | centrx | It seems like it might be incompatible - that's why there is the dependency. Might it mean libbison-dev is useless? |
| 03:45.48 | WalterN | so I should try to install the libbson-dev 2.5 too? |
| 03:45.58 | centrx | Presumably |
| 03:46.04 | centrx | Or uninstall it entirely |
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| 03:48.22 | WalterN | hmm, libbson isnt installed, and apt-cache search is not showing any results |
| 03:49.11 | WalterN | oh derp |
| 03:49.19 | WalterN | my spelling sucks though |
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| 03:51.46 | WalterN | alright, installed bison 2.5 without problems, lets see if that fixes my problem |
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| 03:56.11 | WalterN | yup, seems to work |
| 03:56.18 | WalterN | thanks guys |
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| 04:13.44 | nycjv321 | hi all what does the error mean in this gist? https://gist.github.com/nycjv321/05a3187a359b3ba44356 |
| 04:14.15 | nycjv321 | I can't seem to upgrade dpkg |
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| 05:12.43 | fishcooker | i've just migrated from ubu* to debian.. i had encrypted home directory on previous installation how to decrypt those home partition? |
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| 05:17.52 | musca | hello fishcooker |
| 05:17.57 | musca | !dm-crypt |
| 05:17.57 | dpkg | dm-crypt is a Linux kernel subsystem providing a cryptographic device-mapper target, which enables filesystem encryption in files, partitions, whole disks, logical and software RAID volumes. dm-crypt is the successor of <cryptoloop> and uses the Crypto API cryptography framework. The cryptsetup and cryptmount utilites are in the cryptsetup package. http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
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| 05:20.19 | fritz | hi,Do anyone known why debian7 allways close wlan itself when running? |
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| 05:23.28 | abhvym | how do i make debian live iso not ask me remove pen drive and press enter ? on each shutdown and reboot |
| 05:24.23 | musca | Hello fritz, not perfectly clear what the problem is ... please provide more details. |
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| 05:25.42 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 05:26.05 | [gnubie] | i'm wondering if it's possible to have an i/o scheduler for the elevator parameter be done on a partition specific. is it possible? |
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| 05:28.15 | [gnubie] | basically, my wheezy system will be running on a sata disk on module (flash) which i plan to use "noop" scheduler whereas my hardware raid 6 block device will use "deadline" scheduler. is it possible? |
| 05:28.32 | musca | abhvym: there is an irc channel specializing on debian live. It's called #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
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| 05:30.23 | fritz | in the last 4 months,when i used wlan0 to get access the intenet,i find that it allways can't cennect after ifup wlan0.at first,it's seams that the signle of the offer is not so well. |
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| 05:31.32 | fritz | but i get changed another one these days,the problem did not removded. |
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| 05:31.47 | fritz | so i get help. |
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| 05:32.56 | abhvym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.20 | fritz | Sorry Musca,my English is not so well. |
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| 05:33.58 | somiaj | abhvym: oftc is the offical debian irc network, so yes |
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| 05:34.09 | somiaj | abhvym: though this channel on freenode is still here too if you prefer. |
| 05:34.14 | abhvym | ok |
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| 05:35.33 | somiaj | fritz: do you have network-manager or wicd running/installed? Or using /etc/network/interfaces to manage your device? |
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| 05:36.45 | sm2 | I installed debian on a new server today, after grub, screen goes black and stays there, I never get a console. Did I miss something? |
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| 05:38.22 | fritz | i used /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:40.31 | somiaj | fritz: have you looked at what iwlist wlan0 scan says about the strenght of the signal you have? |
| 05:40.41 | fritz | i have used /etc/network/interfaces to manage my device and it worked well last year. |
| 05:41.04 | somiaj | fritz: I prefer it myself, I was just making sure you were not mixing things. |
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| 06:01.59 | zerodrama | what's the proper way to install the android sdk? |
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| 06:02.42 | centrx | zerodrama, Probably in /usr/local/ or ~/local/ |
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| 06:03.47 | zerodrama | so the android-tools is not the sdk? |
| 06:06.29 | centrx | zerodrama, I think packages like android-tools-* androidsdk-* are tools for working android and the sdk, not the sdk itself. |
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| 06:08.06 | andry | ,v docker.io |
| 06:08.07 | judd | Package: docker.io on i386 -- jessie: 0.9.0+dfsg1-1; sid: 0.9.1~dfsg1-1 |
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| 06:08.17 | andry | thank you, judd :* |
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| 06:08.48 | judd | no worries, andry |
| 06:08.52 | centrx | zerodrama, Looks like the android sdk itself may be non-free |
| 06:08.53 | andry | :D |
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| 06:28.36 | vlt | Hello. Because it’s early in the morning and the -r key is located too close to the -e key I accidentally my whole crontab. Any idea whether there is a backup file torestore the last crontab from? |
| 06:29.11 | centrx | vlt, Some file named /etc/crontab.* |
| 06:29.13 | centrx | ? |
| 06:29.32 | jelly-home | vlt: there is not. Use your normal backups if you have any. |
| 06:29.38 | gcbirzan | You have a -e key? Amazing! :P |
| 06:29.50 | OpenTokix | gcbirzan: Its the pro part of a apple keyboard |
| 06:29.59 | gcbirzan | But, no, unfortunately, there's no backup, unless your editor is set to make one |
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| 06:30.01 | OpenTokix | fn + e == -e |
| 06:30.07 | OpenTokix | ;) |
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| 06:30.22 | jelly-home | OpenTokix: solution: fn = -2e |
| 06:30.29 | OpenTokix | ^5 |
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| 06:31.59 | vlt | gcbirzan: Yes, next to my -r key :-D |
| 06:32.17 | jelly-home | OpenTokix: -32e⁵? |
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| 06:33.24 | civillian | does anyone know if ldapsearch (jessie) supports SHA512? |
| 06:33.35 | gcbirzan | vlt: Either way, the files are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/, if you have separate backups. :P |
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| 06:53.18 | fishcooker | hello musca thanks for your attention.. this automated util would be a great solution here |
| 06:53.20 | fishcooker | http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html |
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| 07:47.19 | Baah | hi |
| 07:48.12 | centrx | !hi |
| 07:48.13 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
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| 07:53.56 | Baah | is there a way to have a static local domain name with a dynamic IP for my raspberry ? |
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| 07:54.49 | shingouz | Baah: get a domain name and use a dynamic dns. |
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| 07:55.59 | somiaj | Baah: there are various places that give you free dyns for a subdomain you might be able to find on google. |
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| 07:56.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Baah about no-ip |
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| 07:58.39 | Baah | ty |
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| 08:22.58 | viscera | is there a way to get debian netinst to NOT wipe my /home drive for a LUKS+LVM setup? |
| 08:23.08 | viscera | ie. using debian-installer |
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| 08:24.24 | viscera | ie. sda1(/boot);sda5(LUKS(LVM(root,swap,home))) |
| 08:25.03 | viscera | last time i tried, i seem to recall it wanting to write LVM changes to disk, which dropped the home LV. that was with the manual partitioning option in d-i |
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| 08:35.08 | milligan | Is there any way to check which file a PID is running? I.e I have a PID that's a perl program, started by www-data and it's listening to port 80. I'd like to see which script www-data ran to create this listener. (Yes, a box has been hacked) |
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| 08:39.33 | holgersson | Hi all together/Good Morning [UGT]! |
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| 08:40.12 | SynrG | milligan: ps up # |
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| 08:41.09 | milligan | SynrG, only shows the "command" .. which doesn't indicate which file has been run |
| 08:44.32 | holgersson | Would you advise Debian at a Desktop PC/Notebook for someone else (non-Linux-User, more WinXP), if there wouldn't be a Linux user most times - or should I search other Distros? I ask with main view at stability (with auto-updates/upgrades), security and simple usability. [Sorry if my English is too bad.] |
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| 08:46.05 | SynrG | milligan: hm. there's lsof. but amongst the numerous options and format specifiers with ps, there must be a way :p |
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| 08:47.03 | holgersson | SynrG: Is there a backlog of your discussion? :) |
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| 08:48.01 | SynrG | holgersson: 05:35 < milligan> Is there any way to check which file a PID is running? I.e I have a PID that's a perl program, started by www-data and it's listening to port 80. I'd like to see which script www-data ran to create this listener. (Yes, a box has been hacked) |
| 08:48.14 | holgersson | SynrG: thx. |
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| 08:49.37 | holgersson | milligan: What's about netstat? |
| 08:50.17 | SynrG | holgersson: would i advise Debian? I advise users use an OS for which they can get support. if they are comfortable interacting with the Debian community, they will do well. if you are part of the Debian community and are their support, and they are comfortable getting it from you, that's a good start. :) |
| 08:50.49 | SynrG | support trumps all the other factors |
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| 08:51.58 | SynrG | e.g. i've supported a guy who is a pastor & teacher (decided non-technical!) desktop user who also has a hobby doing australian football (compiling scores using Staroffice/Openoffice/Libreoffice) since before kde officially entered debian on kde ... |
| 08:52.04 | SynrG | decidedly* |
| 08:52.30 | SynrG | he's also from out of town. i only see him maybe once or twice a year. the rest of support is done via phone. |
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| 08:53.35 | holgersson | SynrG: Well, I'd guess those users just use an e-mail client, a webbrowser and maybe some VPN client of university stuff. I just heard some guys talking about having to switch from XP to whatever, so I thought of offer them installing a stable linux distro, which need less by-hand administration. |
| 08:53.36 | SynrG | i've guided him through hardware purchases, recovery after power failure, interoperability with his wife's office windows systems, etc. |
| 08:53.51 | SynrG | typical end-user stuff |
| 08:53.56 | holgersson | mh |
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| 08:54.08 | Anuska | Hi, i have a little problem, i use icewesel like browser, and i have 8gb ram on this machine ! i run 8 browser how put to give refreshed every 15seconds or 20seconds... i i close the monitor and i return in 6 hours... the linux interface is blocked... i connot do anything , for resolve this i need to open putty and kill the icewesel.. how i fix this problem? |
| 08:54.37 | SynrG | holgersson: he has been on stable all this time. and largely trouble-free. certainly less hassle than supporting him on XP would be :p |
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| 08:55.42 | SynrG | holgersson: i think debian's support community is unparalleled, making it eminently suitable for desktop users. |
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| 08:57.13 | holgersson | SynrG: Yeah, I heard that (last 'debianoid' contact of mine was German ubuntu community about...4 years ago). |
| 08:57.31 | holgersson | SynrG: Do you think it would be a horrible idea to upgrade(!) automatically packages? |
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| 08:57.39 | SynrG | holgersson: yes |
| 08:57.58 | SynrG | holgersson: on the other hand, you don't want upgrades to lapse ... |
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| 08:58.11 | SynrG | holgersson: so, after each point release, *schedule* upgrades with the users |
| 08:58.38 | SynrG | automatic upgrades mean some day you will have a 'surprise' at the most inopportune time :( |
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| 08:59.13 | holgersson | SynrG: When you say point release, you mean these great 'version bumps'? lenny, squeeze, wheezy? |
| 08:59.16 | SynrG | the user should always have a choice *not* to upgrade at the scheduled time. you can semi-automate it, but the user needs to be able to opt out |
| 08:59.37 | SynrG | for those, i would do an in person support call, no. i mean the minure version bumps |
| 08:59.38 | holgersson | SynrG: That's sound akzeptable. |
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| 08:59.55 | SynrG | debian 7.4 -> 7.5 |
| 09:00.11 | SynrG | minor* |
| 09:00.20 | SynrG | good grief, what's happening to my typing this morning |
| 09:00.24 | SynrG | goes to start coffee |
| 09:01.27 | holgersson | SynrG: Kk. I run personally Rolling Release Distros (arch and gentoo), which need much interaktion I can't expect from a not-unixer. I just hoped debian wouldn't cook with water, too :P |
| 09:01.39 | Walex | Anuska: don't do that. |
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| 09:03.03 | Anuska | what? |
| 09:03.09 | Anuska | do not open browser? |
| 09:04.06 | holgersson | SynrG: Well, thank you so far. I think I'll just _ask_ that specific person I have in mind, and watch what will happen ;) Have a nice day! |
| 09:04.16 | Walex | Anuska: don't get the pages to refresh. You risk triggering all sorts of leaks and bugs. |
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| 09:04.21 | SynrG | holgersson: good luck |
| 09:04.56 | Walex | holgersson: running security upgrades automatically is as a rule quite safe. |
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| 09:05.10 | Anuska | Walex, but the webpages use js + frames to do that, is a graphic website with information in real time |
| 09:05.11 | Anuska | :( |
| 09:05.39 | Walex | holgersson: also Debian only updates "stable" distros for either bug fixes or security fixes. So in almost every case automatic updating of non security packages is quite safe too. |
| 09:05.46 | holgersson | Walex: Do they come with some sort of 'other priority'? |
| 09:06.16 | Walex | holgersson: yes, security updates can be updated distinctly from the others. |
| 09:06.18 | holgersson | Walex: Well, it's odd that you and SynrG say nearly exactly the opposite xD |
| 09:06.30 | SynrG | Anuska: watch with top the memory usage over time before the browser finally needs to be killed |
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| 09:06.40 | Walex | holgersson: he may be tracking the 'testing' or 'unstable' archives... |
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| 09:06.51 | Anuska | yes the browser used a lot of memory |
| 09:07.02 | Walex | holgersson: note that when a daemon's package is updated, Debian policy is to restart the daemon automatically. |
| 09:07.07 | Anuska | this is the problem no? the browser crashed becouse the memory |
| 09:07.08 | holgersson | Walex, SynrG: I think I'll try out upgrading security stuff automatically and the rest by user-question. |
| 09:07.16 | holgersson | thx you two! |
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| 09:07.20 | Walex | holgersson: that is a very common policy. |
| 09:07.35 | Anuska | but first ... all worked good ! now i reinstall the debian and... i have this problem |
| 09:08.50 | SynrG | Walex, holgersson: admittedly most of my systems are not stable, and i don't support many stable users. |
| 09:09.43 | holgersson | SynrG: That corrects the image(?) of Debian in my head xD |
| 09:09.47 | SynrG | holgersson: so, take it from people who have more experience supporting stable users what to do there. personally i prefer to never do any automatic upgrades, even on stable. a more hands-on approach ... but i understand users may forget to do upgrades if it isn't automatic |
| 09:09.56 | SynrG | holgersson: and if they do, that puts them in a bad way |
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| 09:10.12 | Walex | Anuska: those web sites are more or less designed to cause trouble with browsers. |
| 09:10.30 | Anuska | understand |
| 09:11.14 | Walex | Anuska: and browsers are huge and buggy. You may be luckier with Chromium, which runs each page in its own process which gets killed if it gets too big. |
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| 09:11.18 | RoyK | I don't get it. my server is spending time swapping long before it's used its memory. setting vm.swappiness=1 "fixed" it, but it'd be nice if linux were a wee bit smarter |
| 09:11.35 | Walex | Anuska: also most likely your problem is that swapping happens and freezes your system. Like <RoyK>/ |
| 09:11.43 | lnxuser34 | hello, i'm interesting in buying a new laptop which will be my main pc and debian single boot. For some gaming and use of hdmi/video editing/encoding, is nvidia still the only option graphic card-wise? if so, anybody knows the current status with this optimus thing? (bumblebee, primus etc) thanks in advance |
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| 09:12.12 | Anuska | thanks Walex i will try chrome |
| 09:12.16 | Walex | RoyK: Linux kernel designers are too smart to read 30-40 years worth of compuer science research on things like memory and storage management. |
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| 09:12.34 | holgersson | SynrG: That's exactly 'my' problem. I would go crazy on automatisms (I even run my wpa_supplicant by hand 'cause all managers are odd in some way), other users just want to have a fully functioning system. |
| 09:12.46 | RoyK | lnxuser34: this is a server running munin, and at most it's using ~300MB out of 1GB |
| 09:13.00 | RoyK | erm |
| 09:13.04 | RoyK | that one was for Walex |
| 09:13.09 | RoyK | Walex: huh? |
| 09:14.03 | Walex | RoyK: Linix developers are too smart to read stuff, that's for dumb people who don't know better. |
| 09:15.02 | Walex | RoyK: also the bast majority of Linux developers now have very, very well paid jobs where they have very large systems that never have capacity problems. if they do, they just get more RAM or faster CPU or faster SSDs. |
| 09:15.15 | SynrG | holgersson: by default, the user will be prompted that there are new updates available. so long as they don't ignore that prompting, they'll be fine. |
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| 09:15.24 | SynrG | holgersson: to me, that's not "automatic upgrades". |
| 09:15.29 | holgersson | lnxuser34: I _hear_ always that optimus would be crazy, 'cause the nvidia would seem to be always on, not really out of power. As I said, I _hear_ this; personally I've no experience with that. |
| 09:15.37 | Walex | RoyK: so if you want *your* Linux to behave somewhat reasonably, you have to figure out workarounds yourself. |
| 09:16.01 | SynrG | holgersson: at least if an upgrade goes south, there's a chance the problem they experience that day will be connected in their mind with the upgrade, and so will report that back to me. |
| 09:16.16 | SynrG | with fully automatic upgrades, it wouldn't be |
| 09:16.17 | Walex | RoyK: or ask here more detailed questions :-) |
| 09:16.32 | holgersson | SynrG: To me neither, but I know some LMDE-users (AFAIR based on debian testing) that broke their system by non?-updating. Don't know really, but that was very odd. |
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| 09:16.58 | Walex | lnxuser34: depends on how much you want to beg for trouble. |
| 09:17.04 | SynrG | holgersson: hmm. well, like i said, i defer to those who support more stable users than i do :) maybe automatic is better |
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| 09:17.26 | holgersson | SynrG: That's what I think for _these_ guys 'n girls. |
| 09:17.40 | Walex | lnxuser34: if you want to beg for trouble often and hard, switching GPUs is a very good way to achieve that. |
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| 09:22.03 | lnxuser34 | tnx Walex , holgersson, If i were to use the onboard intel all week long and just switch to nvidia for a 3hour saturday gaming session, should i expect trouble or is that sthing easily configured which wouldn't yield critical problems? |
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| 09:22.15 | xreal | There's a nice Ubuntu image, which is optimized for use in Docker (own init system etc.). Does anyone know, if there's anything equal for Debian? |
| 09:22.56 | Walex | lnxuser34: it would probably be better/cheaper to buy an intel-only laptop and a separate gaming mini PC.... :-) |
| 09:23.35 | lnxuser34 | hm, never even considered that to be honest |
| 09:23.39 | holgersson | lnxuser34: I write here from a Thinkpad T500 with onboard-Intel and AMD-GPU. I have support for both GPUs in my system (configs, drivers, kernel) and just boot with one or the other activated in my BIOS. |
| 09:24.23 | holgersson | lnxuser34: However, I'm in trouble that my digital output (DVI) does only work with that ATI GPU, consider looking for that at your preferred laptops :) |
| 09:24.27 | Walex | lnxuser34: SteamBox when it comes out? You get much better/lighter laptops if you go for a non-gaming one. |
| 09:25.25 | Walex | lnxuser34: else rebooting like <holgersson> does is fairly safe. Switching without rebooting is possible, but risky and probably Debian 'stable' does not support it. |
| 09:25.25 | lnxuser34 | ok, i think you gave me enough to keep googling on the right track, thanks again for your time |
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| 09:26.13 | holgersson | lnxuser34: you're welcome :) |
| 09:26.30 | DotHack | when adding a filesystem in fstab, should i use /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname or just /dev/vgname/lvname and why? |
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| 09:32.08 | Walex | the second is shorter |
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| 09:32.26 | Walex | DotHack: also note that there is the *third* option, '/dev/mdN' |
| 09:32.57 | DotHack | Walex: you mean dm-N ? |
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| 09:33.55 | Omilun | hello |
| 09:34.28 | Walex | DotHack: yes... |
| 09:35.08 | Walex | DotHack: that's even shorter, but it is not guaranteed to be the same 'N' every time in *some* cases. |
| 09:36.07 | DotHack | Walex: ok so there is no difference between /dev/mapper/vg-lv and /dev/vg/lv except for the length of the string. |
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| 09:36.41 | Omilun | i need help for play avi format on vlc on debian ... i plaid my video on vlc and play only sound and said [VLC does not support the audio or video format "tsc2". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.] how can i play my video? simple:https://www.dropbox.com/s/ussx83kiuhy99iq/07.avi.rar |
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| 09:40.07 | holgersson | uff, an avi.rar? |
| 09:40.40 | Procy0n | MUST... COMPRESS... EVERYTHING |
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| 09:41.29 | Omilun | anybody help me? |
| 09:42.20 | holgersson | Omilun: Either you find the codec or you might re-encode it to something better readable. |
| 09:42.37 | holgersson | Omilun: ffmpeg/libav (with avconf) might be your friends. |
| 09:43.29 | Omilun | holgersson: thx ur help ... but i find this problem and i can not fix it |
| 09:43.47 | Omilun | holgersson: i find this for vlc? ffmpeg/libav |
| 09:43.58 | zykotick9 | s/avconf/avconv/ |
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| 09:44.31 | trewas | Omilun: works in mplayer with "Selected video codec: [fftscc2] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg TechSmith Camtasia Screen Codec 2)", quite weird that vlc is missing it |
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| 09:45.18 | Omilun | trewas: i have smplayer how can i use this codec? |
| 09:45.24 | holgersson | Omilun: ffmpeg and libav are similar projects which offer a bunch of encoding/decoding softwares. You search more likely for that codec |
| 09:45.33 | holgersson | zykotick9: thanks, my fault :) |
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| 09:46.27 | trewas | Omilun: mplayer selects the codec automatically, if it knows it |
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| 09:47.32 | Omilun | trewas: mplayer can not play my video i chek it and i dont know how can i install codec on it |
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| 09:48.49 | Omilun | holgersson: thx but i can not fix it :( |
| 09:48.53 | holgersson | this very old thread implies that ffmpeg contains that video: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/62383-tscc-codec-debian.html |
| 09:49.05 | holgersson | s/video/codec/ |
| 09:49.07 | Omilun | holgersson: ooo thx |
| 09:49.22 | trewas | Omilun: ffmpeg is compiled with mplayer so I don't think that can be added later without compiling mplayer (or getting another pre-compiled version which has it), I have some quite old self-compiled version so cannot help much more |
| 09:49.22 | Omilun | holgersson: i chek it now |
| 09:49.23 | holgersson | Omilun: I don't know if it works! |
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| 09:50.10 | holgersson | Omilun: Anyway, installing ffmpeg from repo, testing and eventually removing it after that won't hurt anyone, I'd guess. |
| 09:50.17 | Omilun | trewas: thx man |
| 09:51.00 | Omilun | holgersson: i installed ffmpeg : apt-get install ffmpeg |
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| 09:57.53 | voxadam | Where do most people mount network shares that are "permanently" mounted network shares? /mnt/ doesn't seem right, /media/ doesn't seem correct. |
| 09:58.19 | omg123 | hello |
| 09:58.43 | holgersson | voxadam: What about a separate user, e.g. share, and then a dir in /home (e.g. /home/share/)? |
| 09:58.48 | holgersson | omg123: Hi! |
| 09:59.15 | omg123 | i have an old debian distribution which seems is no longer supported (lenny). i am trying to install packages with apt-get and i get 404 not found for some of the dependencies. what is the workaround for this problem ? |
| 09:59.37 | babilen | omg123: Upgrade your box! |
| 09:59.44 | omg123 | that is a bit tricky |
| 09:59.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell omg123 about lenny |
| 09:59.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell omg123 about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:00.06 | ompaul | babilen: he was told on oftc |
| 10:00.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell omg123 about lenny sources.list |
| 10:00.08 | omg123 | it's a data-logger, ARM based system etc. not a normal pc |
| 10:00.28 | babilen | omg123: Why are you cross-posting? |
| 10:00.46 | omg123 | playing with IRC :-) |
| 10:00.51 | omg123 | it's been years |
| 10:00.55 | ompaul | that gets you no help |
| 10:02.13 | voxadam | holgersson: So you create a seperate user? I'm looking to mount "media" direcories; music, and video. |
| 10:02.20 | babilen | omg123: Well, if it is a normal Debian (which is the only distribution we support in here) an upgrade *should* work. lenny really isn't supported anymore, but getting packages from the archive (as indicated on OFTC already and detailed in one of the messages our bot sent you) should allow you to install packages. |
| 10:02.23 | omg123 | the msg from dpkg is excellent, thank you very much |
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| 10:03.25 | holgersson | voxadam: Five of the ten times I tried to configure a running samba share I created a separate user, yes ;) |
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| 10:04.34 | holgersson | babilen: Beside topic: Are there other official debians beside stable/unstable/testing? |
| 10:05.46 | babilen | holgersson: That's all the same distribution (namely Debian) and there is the experimental suite and, naturally, all historical releases. I was rather referring to Debian as opposed to distributions that are based on Debian (and not a pure blend) |
| 10:05.47 | average | holgersson: there are forks I would imagine... |
| 10:05.51 | Walex | holgersson: neither 'unstable' nor 'testing' are "official". They are just random collections of packages. |
| 10:06.34 | Walex | holgersson: the "official" Debians are 'stable' and 'oldstable', I would think. |
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| 10:07.28 | holgersson | interesting to hear, thx. |
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| 10:07.31 | Walex | holgersson: arguably the GNU Hurd variant and the BSD variant at also sort of semi-official though. |
| 10:07.39 | holgersson | xD |
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| 10:11.09 | Kim-en | hello |
| 10:11.43 | Kim-en | is there a guid for installing debian in uefi |
| 10:12.00 | babilen | All suites are official (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable and experimental), but not all are releases. They are, however, Debian and supported by us, whereas derivatives (e.g. Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang, ...) are not Debian and not supported. |
| 10:12.10 | average | Kim-en: I think debian jessie comes with uefi by default |
| 10:12.14 | babilen | Kim-en: "Just do it" is the general way :) |
| 10:12.22 | Kim-en | hehe thanks |
| 10:13.16 | average | holgersson: so you have a problem configuring samba, is that what you're saying ? |
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| 10:13.59 | babilen | Kim-en: The installers since wheezy support uefi natively and there is little you have to do. If you decide to partition the disk yourself I would recommend to start off with the "Guided partitioning" and let that create partitions for EFI/BIOS boot and then change the scheme for / (or /home) as the tool chooses to create the partitions rather small |
| 10:14.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kim-en -about install debian |
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| 10:14.29 | Kim-en | after much back and forth i decided that debian is the distro for me |
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| 10:14.36 | average | holgersson: I would look at samba puppet manifests that other people have made. https://github.com/kumina/puppet-generic/blob/master/gen_samba/manifests/init.pp https://github.com/ajjahn/puppet-samba |
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| 10:14.47 | holgersson | average: Nooo ;) To be honest, all tries were 10minute-ones, and they weren't at Debian, so I won't ask here. |
| 10:15.12 | holgersson | average: but thanks for the links! |
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| 10:27.42 | sandman13 | do i have to mount the DVD(blank) using terminal or is there another way? I am using Debian 7 Stable with KDE |
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| 10:31.51 | Brigo | sandman13, why would you want to mount a blank DVD? |
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| 10:33.27 | average | he probably wants to burn stuff on it |
| 10:33.36 | average | sandman13: use k3b if you want to write stuff on it |
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| 10:39.52 | sandman13 | Brigo: burnning (average is right) openSUSE |
| 10:40.41 | Brigo | sandman13, so follow average indications, and if you prefer gnome, try brasero. |
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| 10:41.58 | sandman13 | okay, Brigo i will follow average's instruction |
| 10:42.48 | sandman13 | btw if i had to do it using cli, say in server where there is no gui, i would have to mount the DVD and then use dd command? |
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| 10:49.36 | Brigo | sandman13, this will not work. |
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| 10:50.11 | sandman13 | why Brigo? is there a way around then? |
| 10:50.25 | Brigo | sandman13, try to install bashburn or cdrskin. |
| 10:50.48 | Brigo | i has never used them, but i think i will be your best aproach. |
| 10:50.58 | Brigo | i has never used them, but i think them will be your best aproach. |
| 10:51.23 | sandman13 | i'll remember it for future use |
| 10:51.41 | petn-randall | sandman13: With an empty DVD there's no filesystem to mount, and dd won't work because it's not like a block device that you can freely write on. |
| 10:52.29 | sandman13 | got it petn-randall |
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| 11:20.26 | threestrikes | I'm using the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure to update my video driver but after install and reboot I only get a blinking curser on a black screen. |
| 11:21.09 | threestrikes | I think it has to do with the config file because when I rename it everything goes back to normal |
| 11:22.08 | bouche_y | can you do "lspci | grep VGA" and tell me what is the name of your video card ? |
| 11:22.39 | threestrikes | sure I've done that it's a GTX 650 |
| 11:24.11 | threestrikes | http://pastebin.com/7QTrq017 |
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| 11:24.21 | threestrikes | that is the config file |
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| 11:25.11 | bouche_y | Can you do "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" and tell us what's the version of your packet ? :) |
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| 11:26.24 | threestrikes | http://pastebin.com/7QTrq017 |
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| 11:27.15 | bertodsera | hi all! I am making a debian package to deliver a python app. I was wondering whether forcing a compileall in the postinstall phase is or isn't the best practice for this? Couldn't google out anything about this. |
| 11:27.32 | sandman13 | is there a way to update KDE without moving to testing in Debian Stable? |
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| 11:29.36 | bouche_y | threestrikes: ok so you have the correct version for your card. |
| 11:29.50 | bouche_y | can you do "tac /var/Xorg/tac /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:29.55 | bouche_y | oups |
| 11:29.57 | threestrikes | I figured it's something simple I'm missing |
| 11:30.04 | threestrikes | ok I'll get it one sec |
| 11:30.07 | bouche_y | "tac /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and paste it |
| 11:30.09 | bouche_y | np |
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| 11:32.54 | threestrikes | http://pastebin.com/7QTrq017 |
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| 11:34.31 | bouche_y | hum well that's the log with the nouveau driver. Can you boot with the non-functionnal driver, copy the Xorg.0.log somewhere and post it to us then ? |
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| 11:35.11 | threestrikes | yes I can do that |
| 11:35.15 | threestrikes | brb |
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| 11:42.27 | flip214 | Hi. I tried a debootstrap on amd64, for a foreign sparc chroot. But the (qemu-sparc-static run) debootstrap second-stage hangs, after printing "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 210" |
| 11:42.38 | flip214 | (which is fadvise64 if I looked correctly). |
| 11:42.43 | flip214 | does that work for anybody else? |
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| 11:43.03 | flip214 | # debootstrap --foreign --arch sparc sid . http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 11:43.21 | flip214 | # DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBCONF_NONINTERACTIVE_SEEN=true LC_ALL=C LANGUAGE=C LANG=C chroot . /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage |
| 11:43.30 | flip214 | the first command runs through, the second hangs. |
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| 11:44.30 | babilen | .oO( if only people would stop using ftp.debian.org ) |
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| 11:44.48 | babilen | flip214: Can't comment on the sparc issue though |
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| 11:45.21 | babilen | There is #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) though |
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| 11:48.04 | threestrikes | Here is the log http://pastebin.com/PAC2Pu69 |
| 11:48.22 | flip214 | babilen: I'm using my local mirror, that's just anonymized ;) |
| 11:48.35 | flip214 | and I don't think the sparc people will be using qemu-sparc-static ... |
| 11:48.43 | babilen | flip214: They might?! |
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| 11:50.31 | flip214 | why should they? They're on bare metal, no emulation needed. But ok, I'll try there, too. |
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| 11:55.11 | bouche_y | threestrikes: try this |
| 11:55.13 | bouche_y | http://pastebin.com/pTERrX9y |
| 11:55.22 | sandman13 | if i switch my sources to that of jessie, run apt-get update and run dist-upgrade but cancel the process, then revert to wheezy what will happen to the downloaded packages |
| 11:55.29 | jelly | flip214: you probably want to emulate a sparc64 cpu, not a 32bit one |
| 11:55.36 | sandman13 | they are not installed yet |
| 11:55.41 | bouche_y | and check the line 109 and 110 of your pastebin they say it all |
| 11:55.48 | flip214 | jelly: /bin/bash in the chroot says sparc32 |
| 11:55.55 | flip214 | (that is, "file" says that=) |
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| 11:56.14 | flip214 | and shouldn't binfmt/qemu do that automatically, depending on the fileformat? |
| 11:57.36 | jelly | flip214: while the userspace is _mostly_ 32bit, it expects to be running on 64bit cpus only |
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| 11:59.18 | flip214 | I've got an amd64, and copied /usr/bin/qemu-sparc*-static into the chroot |
| 11:59.31 | flip214 | so I wouldn't know what would fail here |
| 11:59.41 | jelly | flip214: I'm _guessing_ something, ld.so, glibc, I have no idea, might want to use sparc64 fucntionality |
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| 12:00.23 | jelly | has given up on sparc years ago and might be talking crap |
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| 12:02.59 | mepl | quick one, ^4500[0-9]$ is equal to 45000 - 45009 ? |
| 12:03.04 | As001 | Hello, I have problem with debian server with ext4 filesystem. It has md raid 1. on iotop I can see be/3 root ... 70% [jbd2/md2-8]. Do you know how can I fix this abnormal using of my hard disk which cause load on server ? On ext3 I have never this problem. |
| 12:04.07 | As001 | I tried to mount with barrier=0,commit=120 that calmed down disks on other servers but on this particular it does not help. |
| 12:04.24 | jelly | mepl: yus. There's a #Regex channel too. |
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| 12:06.12 | mepl | jelly: just one last. What would 45000 - 45099 be then? |
| 12:06.17 | mepl | [00-90]$? |
| 12:06.28 | mepl | I do not wish it to exclude a zero or anything |
| 12:07.05 | average | ^45\d{3}$ |
| 12:07.19 | average | or alternatively ^45[0-9]{3}$ |
| 12:07.29 | mepl | ehm, why is that so different from [0-9]$? |
| 12:07.38 | mepl | I need a standard |
| 12:08.14 | sandman13 | can anyone link me to a good guide about apt-pinning? |
| 12:08.42 | babilen | mepl: #regex please, this really isn't a Debian issue |
| 12:08.46 | average | mepl: mepl http://www.regexper.com/#\d%24 |
| 12:08.59 | average | mepl: http://www.regexper.com/#45\d{3}%24 |
| 12:09.41 | babilen | ... |
| 12:10.04 | average | I agree with babilen |
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| 12:16.44 | surf | hi guys I'm trying to figure out how to suspend without a swap partition... I have 16gb of ram and I don't want to create a swap partition but what if I need to suspend (no hibernate)? |
| 12:17.21 | threestrikes | bouche_y: are those single quotations? |
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| 12:20.06 | abrotman | surf: create a swapfile ? |
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| 12:20.28 | surf | abrotman, I'm trying to figure out how to set a suspend to ram |
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| 12:20.55 | abrotman | so you want 's2ram' ? |
| 12:21.34 | surf | abrotman, ok I'll have a look at it. Can I change the default gnome behaviour to use s2ram? |
| 12:21.44 | threestrikes | tried to install nvidia-current and got this http://pastebin.com/PAC2Pu69 |
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| 12:21.56 | abrotman | surf: FIIK, never tried. |
| 12:22.49 | tak30 | surf: When you suspend your machine, allways use the ram |
| 12:23.18 | surf | tak30, ok that was my doubt. So I shouldn't do anything more right? |
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| 12:23.45 | tak30 | but if you hibernate your machine, data goes to HDD and the machine poweroff |
| 12:23.52 | tak30 | yes |
| 12:24.06 | surf | tak30, ok thanks, I never hibernate. Thx guys |
| 12:24.30 | andry | a bit off topic .. but is there a chance to convert a .docx to .opensomething with proper formating? |
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| 12:25.42 | themill | andry: depends on the document; libreoffice often does ok |
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| 12:33.08 | As001 | I don't know how 26.64 K/s can be 67% of disk io. This iotop line shows jbd2 is doing some unncecessary things with hard disk. 538 be/3 root 0.00 B/s 26.64 K/s 0.00 % 66.90 % [jbd2/md2-8] |
| 12:33.38 | As001 | or I am reading it wrong |
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| 12:34.40 | As001 | it never goes under 60% |
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| 12:37.34 | tak30 | As001: In my machine arround 3% |
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| 12:40.47 | RoyK | As001: pastebin /proc/mdstat, please |
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| 12:43.18 | As001 | ok |
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| 12:45.31 | As001 | http://tny.cz/987592b8 |
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| 12:46.24 | RoyK | As001: hm... how is the current i/o? |
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| 12:46.34 | RoyK | if you have sysstat installed, check with sar -b |
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| 12:47.12 | As001 | http://tny.cz/442f467c |
| 12:47.21 | As001 | thats iotop output |
| 12:47.55 | RoyK | 23705 be/4 root 0.00 B/s 131.09 K/s 0.00 % 21.21 % asterisk |
| 12:47.55 | As001 | I have no sar command what to install to get it ? |
| 12:48.02 | RoyK | iotop works too |
| 12:48.14 | RoyK | but what is asterisk doing? recording calls? |
| 12:48.17 | As001 | yes asterisk knows to write but why jbd2 60% ? |
| 12:48.42 | RoyK | iirc that's the journal process, part of the writing |
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| 12:49.01 | As001 | yes it is doing recording of calls |
| 12:49.35 | As001 | thats why I am worried because it needs 20-30% if jbd2 takes 70% I could have problems |
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| 12:50.19 | As001 | I didn't have that on ext3 which is also jurnaling fs. |
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| 12:53.59 | RoyK | As001: sorry - dunno |
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| 13:23.45 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:23.46 | dpkg | <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
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| 13:24.00 | Gregor2 | hi |
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| 13:24.22 | Gregor2 | when comes debian ? |
| 13:24.29 | Gregor2 | when comes debian 8? |
| 13:24.59 | babilen | yay! |
| 13:25.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gregor2 about wwjr |
| 13:25.24 | Gregor2 | Whats that? |
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| 13:26.09 | tkl2 | Hi there |
| 13:26.20 | tkl2 | i have a problem with a Debian server in a DMZ. |
| 13:27.02 | tkl2 | I cant get any connection to the internet. But the GW is correctly set |
| 13:27.20 | OpenTokix | tkl2: can you ping the inside of the gw, and the outside of the gw? |
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| 13:27.38 | tkl2 | I can ping the GW |
| 13:27.44 | OpenTokix | tkl2: both outside and inside? |
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| 13:28.00 | tkl2 | ssh through the sserver is possible |
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| 13:28.04 | tkl2 | ping is blocked |
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| 13:28.19 | pfote | that wasnt his question |
| 13:28.20 | tkl2 | oh wait no its not |
| 13:28.23 | tkl2 | but its working |
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| 13:28.45 | tkl2 | I can ping the GW from the server and i can ping the server itself from the internal network |
| 13:28.46 | OpenTokix | tkl2: My guess is that the return traffic get lost somehow |
| 13:29.01 | tkl2 | I cannot ping google from the server |
| 13:29.04 | OpenTokix | tkl2: and if you ping the gw's default gw? |
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| 13:29.19 | OpenTokix | tkl2: is your gw a linux-box to? |
| 13:29.25 | tkl2 | OpenTokix: Thats working |
| 13:29.31 | tkl2 | Ipfire |
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| 13:29.59 | zafu | hi, what is the best pdf viewer? (I have strange chars on my easyjet boarding passes with evince) |
| 13:30.33 | tkl2 | http://nopaste.info/97ed7946c8.html <-interfaces |
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| 13:30.41 | Gregor2 | adobe acrobat? |
| 13:31.03 | OpenTokix | tkl2: Run tcpdump on the gws internal interface 192.168.50.1 I guess, and then try pinging ping.sunet.se |
| 13:31.05 | zafu | can't find an acroread package |
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| 13:31.40 | tkl2 | i should run tcpdump on the Ipfire? |
| 13:31.55 | OpenTokix | tkl2: yes |
| 13:32.01 | OpenTokix | tkl2: so you see how the traffic flows |
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| 13:32.09 | zafu | ok found |
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| 13:33.46 | tkl2 | ok |
| 13:33.47 | tkl2 | wait |
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| 13:34.20 | OpenTokix | tkl2: I am guiding your to learning how you troubleshoot networking issues, not solving your particular problem. - In case yo uwonder why is so general |
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| 13:35.34 | tkl2 | OpenTokix *THUMBS UP* |
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| 13:36.54 | OpenTokix | tkl2: tcpdump -i eth1 -n host 192.168.50.xx where xx is the ip of the internal host |
| 13:37.08 | tkl2 | OpenTokix |
| 13:37.13 | OpenTokix | tcpdump -n -i eth1 host 192.168.50.10 for instance |
| 13:37.19 | tkl2 | OpenTokix Got it allready |
| 13:37.25 | OpenTokix | tkl2: ok =) |
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| 13:39.02 | tkl2 | OpenTokix it sseems that he has wrong settings for the "search" term in the resolv.conf |
| 13:39.17 | OpenTokix | tkl2: there you go =) |
| 13:39.31 | TheWarden | Hello |
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| 13:39.56 | tkl2 | But what to put in?? I would leave it blank |
| 13:40.17 | OpenTokix | tkl2: remove the line |
| 13:40.19 | OpenTokix | for search |
| 13:41.03 | TheWarden | What is the best method to disable root account? I've reading doing "sudo passwd -l root" and also I've read doing it like so "usermod -p '!' root" |
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| 13:41.18 | TheWarden | which is best or does it matter? |
| 13:41.35 | tkl2 | 192.168.50.2.37421 > google-public-dns-a.google.com.domain: 21484+ A? google.de. (27) |
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| 13:42.07 | TheWarden | It's my understanding that this doesn't truly disable the account but rather provides an invalid password that can't be matched and therefore will not allow login. |
| 13:42.34 | TheWarden | what sudo to be only used and not have access to the root account for security and accountability. |
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| 13:44.34 | tkl2 | OpenTokix for me it seems like he sends the request but thae answer isn´t coming |
| 13:45.09 | OpenTokix | tkl2: yes, then the traffic gets lost, if you run the tcpdump on the outside on the gw instead? |
| 13:45.19 | OpenTokix | you will probably see "who has" messages from your gw |
| 13:45.36 | tkl2 | hmh from the server? |
| 13:46.11 | OpenTokix | tkl2: you have: client - inside-gw|outside-gw - isp-gw |
| 13:46.32 | tkl2 | tcpdump extinterface |
| 13:46.33 | OpenTokix | tkl2: if you run tcpdump on outside-gw you will probably see the isp-gw asking "who has" for your internal ip |
| 13:46.34 | tkl2 | ? |
| 13:46.37 | OpenTokix | yes |
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| 13:47.37 | tkl2 | oh dear a lot of traffic |
| 13:48.03 | OpenTokix | tkl2: yes, as the "host" - for the host your a ping:ing |
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| 13:49.11 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
| 13:49.12 | blaubarschbube | hi. can anybody give me a hint how to get a intel ethernet card i217 working with wheezy? |
| 13:50.15 | SynrG | please provide pciid, i.e. let's see: lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet |
| 13:50.17 | tkl2 | OpenTokix i have to close a few conenctions |
| 13:50.20 | tkl2 | its too fast |
| 13:50.30 | OpenTokix | tkl2: =) |
| 13:51.36 | blaubarschbube | SynrG, sry, i dont mean the i217 but the i210 |
| 13:51.38 | blaubarschbube | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1533] (rev 03) |
| 13:51.53 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:1533 |
| 13:51.54 | judd | [8086:1533] is 'I210 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1533 |
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| 13:52.35 | SynrG | hmm, so |
| 13:52.44 | babilen | checks modinfo on 3.13 |
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| 13:53.23 | babilen | nope |
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| 13:54.07 | babilen | judd: bug #714122 |
| 13:54.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714122 in linux (open): «linux: backport of intel/igb driver»; severity: important; opened: 2013-06-25; last modified: 2013-07-19. |
| 13:54.15 | tkl2 | OpenTokix i would say that there is no request at all from the server on that interface |
| 13:54.20 | blaubarschbube | i had that problem som months ago, and also found a solution, but i forgot |
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| 13:56.35 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 13:57.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell blaubarschbube -about bdo kernel |
| 13:57.25 | babilen | blaubarschbube: Could you try the 3.13 kernel? |
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| 13:59.03 | babilen | blaubarschbube: Once you've rebooted run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" and show me the output. Also include "ip a", "ip link set eth0 up" in your output please |
| 13:59.12 | blaubarschbube | babilen, not instantly. atm i am runnig 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 14:00.03 | blaubarschbube | babilen, i can not reboot, its a production server and its live. i already have the first ethernet dev running and want to setup the second for redundancy |
| 14:00.04 | tkl2 | OpenTokix: Suggestions? |
| 14:00.20 | OpenTokix | tkl2: Not of the top of my head |
| 14:00.24 | babilen | blaubarschbube: different chipsets? |
| 14:01.05 | blaubarschbube | yes, lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet gives following |
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| 14:01.17 | blaubarschbube | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM [8086:153a] (rev 04) |
| 14:01.18 | blaubarschbube | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1533] (rev 03) |
| 14:01.28 | babilen | Ah, those are different chips |
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| 14:07.09 | Spuzz | Sweet jesus that was a pain to do |
| 14:07.26 | Spuzz | and now I think my graphics card overheated |
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| 14:10.43 | Spuzz | oh lord why is the sound so choppy a 1.8Ghz PPC G5 shouldn't be this ba |
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| 14:13.32 | colo-work | Spuzz, acording to my experience, yes, it should |
| 14:13.50 | Spuzz | haha it's choking on youtube |
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| 14:13.59 | Spuzz | which is weird my iMac G3 seems fine |
| 14:14.00 | colo-work | get anythink X86-based that's currently on the market, and it will totally blow away that glorious, but ancient machine. |
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| 14:14.03 | colo-work | literally anything |
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| 14:14.36 | Spuzz | youtube.com |
| 14:14.40 | Spuzz | whoops wrong keyboard |
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| 14:16.22 | Spuzz | hmm maybe KDE is a bit too beefy of a DM to use? |
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| 14:17.02 | elichai2 | hi |
| 14:17.08 | elichai2 | how can i install mozplugger in wheezy? |
| 14:17.11 | elichai2 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mozplugger |
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| 14:20.04 | basiclaser | /j #android |
| 14:20.09 | basiclaser | o dear |
| 14:20.11 | Spuzz | I'm trying to supe up my mom's rather ancient iMac haha |
| 14:20.31 | Spuzz | If not I'll just giver my old work thinkpad |
| 14:20.39 | Spuzz | I just want to tinker for a bit though |
| 14:21.28 | rgr | thinkpads are very debian friendly generally. but dont expect some sort of super whizz bang performance. |
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| 14:22.45 | Walex | elichai2: why every would you want to use 'mozplugger'? Isn't it deprecated since the second punic war? |
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| 14:23.56 | elichai2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.03 | elichai2 | what should i download? |
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| 14:24.41 | Spuzz | LXDE runs wayyy better |
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| 14:25.49 | Walex | elichai2: that should happen automagically via 'xdg-open'. |
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| 14:27.18 | Jeroi | Can many porgrams run same serial line in debian? |
| 14:27.32 | Spuzz | yeeep, the video card is toast, lots of weird lines and stuff |
| 14:27.34 | Spuzz | Damn |
| 14:27.42 | Jeroi | ie if I use Screen to screen serial connection to look what my programs communcation |
| 14:27.46 | Spuzz | Oh well, this thing needs a new logic board anyway |
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| 14:27.49 | Walex | elichai2: having a look myself anyhow |
| 14:28.17 | undead_rattler | Jeroi: as far as I know, only one program can utilize a serial connection at a time - otherwise there'd be crosstalk between applications. |
| 14:28.37 | elichai2 | Walex: what do u mean? |
| 14:28.45 | Jeroi | ok |
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| 14:29.21 | Jeroi | serial php class checks wtaher serial is availble in order to continua and has this problem if screenin was on the php serial could not use the serial |
| 14:29.41 | Jeroi | this is the reason why I asked |
| 14:30.01 | Walex | elichai2: BTW for Chromium this page recommends to download and recycle the Chrome plugins: http://askubuntu.com/questions/348339/how-to-open-pdf-files-directly-in-chromium-browser-and-run-faster-downloads-from |
| 14:30.37 | Walex | elichai2: the standard way to "open" a file of unknown content is the command 'xdg-open', and you can set in most browser which command is used to open a file. |
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| 14:32.43 | elichai2 | yeah but i want to open these file inside my browser |
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| 14:32.59 | Walex | elichai2: reusing the Chrome plugins is also recommended here: https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium |
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| 14:33.28 | elichai2 | and i don't want to install Google Chrome |
| 14:33.28 | Walex | elichai2: if you are really into hacking you can install 'mozplugger' as you wanted. |
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| 14:33.50 | Walex | elichai2: you can download the Chrome '.deb' and unpack it in a temp directory. |
| 14:34.09 | elichai2 | Walex: what better? install sid/jessie/squeeze or just look for a tar.gz? |
| 14:34.32 | elichai2 | (i meant which ver. of mozplugger) |
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| 14:35.52 | Walex | elichai2: the difficulty is that the Firefox/Iceweasel internal API is not entirely stable... |
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| 14:36.17 | Walex | elichai2: but it turns out that the web search "debian mozplugger wheezy" points at... |
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| 14:36.37 | Walex | elichai2: https://launchpad.net/debian/wheezy/+source/mozplugger/1.14.5-1 |
| 14:36.56 | Walex | https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/mozplugge |
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| 14:44.12 | elichai2 | Walex: how can i download from there? |
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| 14:49.23 | Sbroker` | elichai2, what do you want download ? |
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| 14:52.57 | Walex | elichai2: it is a '.deb' repository... |
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| 14:53.23 | elichai2 | ohhh to add it into my repositories? (and then install through apt-get?) |
| 14:54.03 | babilen | elichai2: You might want to take a look at the postinst of pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:55.05 | dontknow | why does iceweasel addons even old in stable? for example the current version of noscript is 2.6.8.19. but in stable repo it is "xul-ext-noscript (2.1.4-1)" |
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| 14:55.43 | Walex | dontknow: 'stable' means "stable" :-) |
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| 14:56.04 | dontknow | Walex, the version in repo contains noscript security fixes? |
| 14:56.19 | babilen | dontknow: "stable" means "not changing" in the context of Debian and nothing else |
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| 14:56.42 | babilen | dontknow: You should, however, be able to install it from upstream just fine and you can get new IW version from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:56.51 | Walex | dontknow: maybe... It ought to. But generally 'stable' means "after release it won't be updated". |
| 14:56.57 | dontknow | babilen, ok but does it contain current security fixes? |
| 14:57.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell dontknow about stable |
| 14:57.08 | babilen | dontknow: sure |
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| 14:58.17 | babilen | dontknow: It's just a common misconception that "stable" means "working" or "bug free" or so. I mean it is definitely very important goal to insure that too before the release, but "stable" just means "won't change, so relax and install the updates" |
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| 14:59.05 | Walex | elichai2: that repo distributes _source_ packages, you can then build a local package for 7/Wheezy. There are a few HOWTOs on how to do this, and it is easy. |
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| 15:00.00 | dontknow | babilen, so is it secure to use iceweasel with stable noscript? |
| 15:01.04 | babilen | dontknow: No idea, but I would hope so. I typically don't use any of the xul-ext-* packages, but simply grab a new IW version from http://mozilla.debian.net and then install extensions from https://addons.mozilla.org |
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| 15:01.42 | Walex | babilen: I do the same, but I feel bad about it as it is a betrayal of the packaging system. Oh well. |
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| 15:02.30 | babilen | Most xul-ext-* should be constantly updated via http://mozilla.debian.net or wheezy-updates probably. |
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| 15:21.05 | neo1691 | I have installed the stable version of ncmpcpp on debian wheezy stable,I would like to know if anyone faces problem fetching the lyrics from ncmpcpp |
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| 15:22.51 | nullby7e | which one haves latest packages, testing or unstable? |
| 15:23.36 | totte | nullby7e: Unstable, usually. |
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| 15:27.21 | arzer | what filesystem is recommended nowadays for usb-sticks shared between windows, mac and Linux PCs? |
| 15:27.36 | jordanm | fat32 |
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| 15:28.38 | SynrG | until you need to ferry >4G files between them |
| 15:29.23 | arzer | jordanm, SynrG: how to accomplish fat32 since mkfs.fat32 doesn't exist? |
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| 15:29.31 | nullby7e | from where cna i download unstable |
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| 15:29.53 | SynrG | dosfstools |
| 15:30.42 | petn-randall | neo1691: Please don't crosspost. You already got a response in the other channel. |
| 15:31.00 | SynrG | arzer: mkfs.vfat will handle whatever you want. see man page |
| 15:31.20 | arzer | SynrG: it's called mkfs.vfat and mkfs.msdos... how intuitive to know what it's about... |
| 15:31.21 | SynrG | arzer: see -F or let it decide |
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| 15:31.35 | arzer | SynrG: thanks |
| 15:31.51 | SynrG | arzer: well, it's just about fat size. should there really be that much namespace pollution for what's essentially just *one* of the many filesystem attributes? :) |
| 15:32.15 | arzer | SynrG: I remember having once a stick formatted with mkfs.vfat (without further args) and a random windows7 machine couldn't detect it and wanted to format the stick |
| 15:32.21 | SynrG | there's no benefit to choosing the wrong fat size, so i just let it decide |
| 15:32.42 | SynrG | (except in very specific corner use cases ... sounds like you might have hit one? ...) |
| 15:32.55 | arzer | SynrG: it then worked with mkfs.msdos |
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| 15:33.26 | SynrG | strange. maybe some other issue? no 'sync' before pulling the USB? |
| 15:33.35 | arzer | SynrG: I always do that |
| 15:33.55 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 15:34.21 | nullby7e | is there a available unstable ISO for download? |
| 15:34.30 | arzer | SynrG: I mean I always sync before pulling sticks |
| 15:34.33 | nullby7e | or only testing and stable are ready for download? |
| 15:34.45 | SynrG | arzer: yeah. so i can't really say *what* you hit there. but sounds odd |
| 15:35.23 | SynrG | arzer: i mean, certain non-upgradable embedded firmwares are fussy about fat size (cameras and the like) but ... |
| 15:35.28 | SynrG | on windows it should've been fine |
| 15:35.53 | arzer | SynrG: the foremost thing that screws me are these unintuitive names like mkfs.vfat instead of something like mkfs.fat32 and the like... |
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| 15:36.12 | mtn | nullby7e: the proper way to get to testing or unstable is to install stable and then dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.22 | SynrG | arzer: see my comment about fat size being an arbitrary attribute of filesystem rather than a distinct filesystem type |
| 15:36.39 | nullby7e | mtn: does debian creates experimental or unstables iso images? |
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| 15:36.53 | mtn | nullby7e: no, as I said, install stable, etc. |
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| 15:37.12 | nullby7e | mtn: .. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 15:37.27 | mtn | nullby7e: yes, I know. that is for testing the installer |
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| 15:37.36 | arzer | nullby7e: testing images are created but they are not recommended for installing a production system since the installer might not be stable. So better upgrade from wheezy |
| 15:37.54 | arzer | SynrG: how should I decide a good fat size? |
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| 15:38.41 | debianewbie | I have to say, testing and unstable are only for testers and expert users... I had many problems with both so I'm back to stable |
| 15:38.41 | wols_ | arzer: you run mkfs.vfat and don't care about it |
| 15:38.45 | SynrG | arzer: as i said, 'mkfs.vfat' will decide for you |
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| 15:39.21 | SynrG | arzer: too big is inefficient on small filesystems. too small simply *won't work* on large filesystem.s |
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| 15:40.21 | arzer | SynrG: okay, I just hope that such a problem like when the win7 machine couldn't read the fs created with mkfs.vfat won't happen again |
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| 15:40.44 | gele | hello! |
| 15:41.18 | debianewbie | I'm now on debian 7 stable with xfce and it's very light and stable. A screenshot from my desktop: http://picpaste.com/pics/desktop-W5mkkFKe.1396885166.jpg |
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| 15:41.57 | gele | i use mdns to resolve names on my local network - laptop1.local, backup.local etc. is there any way to configure the name resolution system so that it adds the '.local' automatically when the name to look up is only a single name without any dots, so i can write e.g. 'ssh laptop' instead of 'ssh laptop.local'? |
| 15:42.19 | arzer | debianewbie: good choice :) Debian 7 with xfce is indeed lightweight and features a full desktop environment |
| 15:42.36 | gele | (without adding the ip addresses in /etc/hosts, that doesn't scale very well) |
| 15:43.04 | debianewbie | yes arzer, the only thing I don't like in xfce is that you cannot drag and drop an icon from the applications menu to the bar |
| 15:43.30 | debianewbie | in gnome classic (not the visionary gnome 3) you could do that |
| 15:43.43 | gele | debianewbie: i can do that in xfce. i just tried it. |
| 15:43.59 | debianewbie | gele, what xfce are you using? |
| 15:44.09 | gele | the current one in wheezy. |
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| 15:44.35 | ice9 | installer is not detecting my wireless or ethernet cards |
| 15:44.47 | debianewbie | gele you can drag an item from the applications menu to the top bar or bottom bar? |
| 15:44.54 | ovidiu-florin | the debian installer sees my flash drive as /dev/sda and the hdd as /dev/sdb. So it tryes to install GRUB on /dev/sda |
| 15:45.01 | ovidiu-florin | how can I change this? |
| 15:45.14 | ovidiu-florin | I'm at the step when it asks me to install GRUB |
| 15:45.32 | gele | debianewbie: i only have one bar, but yes. i just drag a meny entry, drop it in the bar, and it creates a launcher for that entry. |
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| 15:45.48 | mtn | ice9: have you checked out the debian networking wiki? |
| 15:46.25 | ice9 | mtn: no will check it, also installer is not detecting my encrypted hdd, it see just a linux parition |
| 15:46.32 | debianewbie | mmmh... sorry guys, now it works for me too... It was that I didn't wait too much after pressing the mouse button on an item, so I couldn't drag it |
| 15:46.38 | debianewbie | thank you gele :) |
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| 15:47.14 | Ru891 | Is there a way just to output ascii string matches > 3 characters in an hex file. So just the human readable parts of a hex file. grep -a would show just everything, of course |
| 15:47.33 | gele | Ru891: 'strings' |
| 15:47.48 | gele | it's in text-utils i think, should be installed by default. |
| 15:48.29 | DammitJim | if I have 2 nameservers configured on a network configuration |
| 15:48.34 | gele | oh no, it's in binutils. |
| 15:48.48 | debianewbie | gele, I have to say, I like this xfce more and more |
| 15:49.31 | Ru891 | gele: thanks a lot! |
| 15:49.36 | gele | debianewbie: yes, it's very nice. recent kdes aren't bad either, but xfce runs better on small cheap machines. |
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| 15:51.03 | ovidiu-florin | please someone |
| 15:52.08 | Ru891 | gele: sorry for the stupid question, can I use this on command line? Seems to be no executable binary, right? |
| 15:52.58 | Ru891 | gele: never mind. I'm stipid. It's the string command |
| 15:53.05 | gele | Ru891: 'strings -3 filename' |
| 15:53.40 | blaubarschbube | ovidiu-florin, sure you didnt install debian on sda? |
| 15:53.45 | debianewbie | gele, recently I tried KDE, but that 'plasma environment' is a little too complex for me. Maybe I should give it another chance. Gnome 3 is too bloated, memory hungry, newbie-user-tablet oriented. Ubuntu Unity is nearly the same thing with different colors and icons. And I don't know for much time gnome-classic or gnome-fallback will be supported, so I think XFCE is the right choice for who want a more classic but co |
| 15:53.45 | debianewbie | mplete and efficient desktop experience. |
| 15:53.46 | dontknow | babilen, Walex the last change of the stable noscript was 2011!!! |
| 15:54.01 | Ru891 | gele: thank you |
| 15:54.04 | ovidiu-florin | blaubarschbube: I haven't installed anything yet |
| 15:54.19 | ovidiu-florin | sda is my flash drive and sdb is my hdd |
| 15:54.27 | ovidiu-florin | I'm in the install proces right now |
| 15:54.45 | dontknow | debian suggests using stable for stability and security. but how about this noscript example? |
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| 15:55.07 | DammitJim | should the second nameserver be used automatically when the first is not available? |
| 15:55.18 | dontknow | could someone explain this to me? |
| 15:56.01 | dontknow | how come the stable version of noscript addon would be secure? |
| 15:56.14 | dontknow | if the latest change was 2011 |
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| 15:56.37 | jelly | dontknow: it wouldn't. Get it from upstream. |
| 15:56.50 | debianewbie | dontknow I don't know noscript, but generally speaking, if its package is in the stable repository, then it's considered to be stable... |
| 15:56.58 | dontknow | jelly, i checked it from there http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-noscript/ |
| 15:57.14 | debianewbie | so it should not have critical security problems, I think... |
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| 15:57.37 | jelly | dontknow: that place has 2.6.8.19, which is not from 2011 |
| 15:57.44 | blaubarschbube | ovidiu-florin, ah, sry, thought grub gets installed after installation. but maybe you can boot a live system and then run grub-install |
| 15:58.12 | dontknow | jelly, but stable only provides 2.1.4-1 |
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| 15:58.52 | gele | can i configure my system to look up hostnames without a domain (e.g. 'laptop1') as if they were in the MDNS domain (e.g. 'laptop1.local') ? |
| 15:58.53 | jelly | dontknow: file a RC bug to get it removed from the release. |
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| 15:59.18 | dontknow | jelly, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xul-ext-noscript |
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| 15:59.56 | jelly | dontknow: you found a bug! Please go file it into BTS if it bothers you. |
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| 16:00.22 | debianewbie | dontknow, if you think that release in stable repository has security problems, then you should report this to the debian security team |
| 16:00.43 | Walex | gele: yes! |
| 16:01.00 | blaubarschbube | gele, /etc/hosts |
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| 16:01.22 | Walex | blaubarschbube: that's overkill. |
| 16:02.08 | gele | blaubarschbube: wouldn't that mean writing a separate line for every host in that file on every host? |
| 16:02.12 | gele | Walex: how? |
| 16:02.31 | blaubarschbube | gele, yes, youre right |
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| 16:04.16 | Walex | gele: depends a bit on which resolver/DNS server you use, but usually you just change the options in '/etc/resolv.conf' or similar. |
| 16:04.30 | Walex | gele: the option 'ndots' and the 'search' directive. |
| 16:04.42 | Walex | gele: in 'man resolv.conf' |
| 16:04.49 | dontknow | jelly, i don't have debian installed right now |
| 16:04.59 | gele | ah. my resolv.conf just has the ISP name servers, and says 'generated by networkmanager'. |
| 16:05.01 | Walex | gele: also look at 'resolvconf' if that's what you are using. |
| 16:05.39 | jelly | dontknow: so what are you waiting for! |
| 16:05.46 | dontknow | lol |
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| 16:09.12 | nabblet | hi, i am running debian stable. when i start octave it seemed to hang (didn't see prompt). Then i started 'octave --debug' and it spammed my terminal with debug messages running on until i ctrl+c. i don't think this is wanted behaviour. can someone confirm? |
| 16:09.20 | dontknow | i would like someone who uses pure stable to check iceweasel addons section what version noscript shows |
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| 16:10.15 | nabblet | also system usage skyrockets |
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| 16:10.51 | nabblet | now it is "calm" |
| 16:10.51 | m0rd3cai | dontknow: clarify "pure stable" |
| 16:11.05 | nabblet | Reducing stack by rule 2 (line 549): $1 = nterm function_file () |
| 16:11.05 | nabblet | Stack now 0 |
| 16:11.19 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, i mean who uses stable iceweasel and xul-noscript addon |
| 16:11.32 | dontknow | from stable repo not backports |
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| 16:12.11 | dontknow | *xul-ext-noscript |
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| 16:12.31 | m0rd3cai | um... i use Noscript in Iceweasel, not sure about xul-ext-noscript. |
| 16:12.51 | m0rd3cai | http://noscript.net |
| 16:12.54 | m0rd3cai | is that the same? |
| 16:13.21 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, could you remove noscript in iceweasel and install xul-ext-noscript please? |
| 16:13.26 | jelly | m0rd3cai: it is. |
| 16:13.29 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, yes |
| 16:13.48 | LaunchDirector | hey, after i close a python program it doesnt register any other command, what can i do to fix it, this happened since today |
| 16:13.48 | m0rd3cai | my version is 2.6.8.19 |
| 16:14.02 | LaunchDirector | im using byoby-screen |
| 16:14.10 | LaunchDirector | if that has any effect |
| 16:14.17 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, yes. but it looks like you installed from mozilla |
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| 16:14.25 | jelly | dontknow: anyone sane gets their extensions using mozilla's update method |
| 16:14.28 | LaunchDirector | i have to kill the window and make a new one everytime i close the script |
| 16:14.38 | jelly | dontknow: iceweasel allows for that |
| 16:14.40 | m0rd3cai | not to sound stupid, whats the difference in mozilla addon install vs what you mean? |
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| 16:14.53 | RoyK | kmk: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/sys/kern/bus_if.m' <-- where can I find this? |
| 16:15.34 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, i would like to check something dude. just remove noscript in iceweasel and install xul-ext-noscript. wouldn't take 30 sec. |
| 16:15.47 | m0rd3cai | im doing it, i was just curious, damn |
| 16:15.53 | mms_ | I have removed few init, sysmap etc files from /boot and done update-grub which shows rebuild menu with just two entries for 486 but on reboot old entries for 686 still show up. any clue why grub is not using updated menu lst ? |
| 16:16.02 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, thanks :) |
| 16:16.07 | m0rd3cai | yeH. |
| 16:16.19 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, now what version shows? |
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| 16:16.56 | m0rd3cai | i dont see xul-ext-noscript |
| 16:17.07 | m0rd3cai | if i dont add it through iceweasel, where do i get addon from? |
| 16:17.15 | m0rd3cai | its not found in addon search |
| 16:17.35 | Nik05 | its in the debian repository |
| 16:17.37 | m0rd3cai | apt-get... |
| 16:17.40 | m0rd3cai | just found it |
| 16:18.00 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, could you tell me what version it is now? |
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| 16:18.13 | dontknow | in iceweasel addons section |
| 16:18.28 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, dude! |
| 16:18.35 | m0rd3cai | ya know what fuck it |
| 16:18.43 | m0rd3cai | your gonna be a pushy asshole forget it. |
| 16:18.45 | LaunchDirector | how can i kill a specific program i launched? for example if i do "python script.py" i need to do "kill python script" ? |
| 16:19.11 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, ? is it 2.1.4-1? |
| 16:19.30 | m0rd3cai-away | go be a prick to someone. |
| 16:19.32 | dontknow | damn! |
| 16:19.32 | m0rd3cai-away | else* |
| 16:19.54 | ksk | LaunchDirector: the safest practical approach would be: take a look at the running processes (eg pstree -p) and issue a kill command to the specific python process (eg kill -15 1234) |
| 16:19.54 | dontknow | m0rd3cai-away, you got me wrong man |
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| 16:20.30 | ksk | LaunchDirector: also, if you have no other python processes running (just the one you started) you could issue a "killall python" which should kill all python processes (you can not match on "script" though) |
| 16:20.41 | dontknow | m0rd3cai-away, could you please tell me the version? it is sure old from the current one but it is stable |
| 16:20.52 | ksk | LaunchDirector: you probably want to read something about linux process managment ;) |
| 16:20.54 | dontknow | m0rd3cai-away, but i am wondering its exact version |
| 16:21.19 | dontknow | what the hack man |
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| 16:21.56 | LaunchDirector | ksk: im running multiple scipts at the time how do i identify which was the latest one i ran |
| 16:21.57 | dontknow | you think i am going to ridicule you by get installed old version? |
| 16:22.09 | FaTony | what's modemmanager and why is it trying to uninstall network-manager? |
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| 16:22.49 | LaunchDirector | ksk: because if i do ctrl+c it kinda crashes the program, this used to work but now it freezez the window so i need to kill the window and make a new one |
| 16:22.56 | dontknow | jelly, have you seen the conversation lol |
| 16:23.45 | mjt | is there any webcam app on linux (debian wheezy) which actually works? :) |
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| 16:24.09 | nullbyte_ | how can i make experimental sources.list with backports line also? |
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| 16:26.00 | LaunchDirector | ksk: its out i figured out, ps aux | grep python |
| 16:26.03 | LaunchDirector | shows everything |
| 16:26.09 | LaunchDirector | thanks tough |
| 16:26.17 | wols_ | nullbyte_: why would you do that? a bit nonsensical |
| 16:26.19 | mtn | mjt: did you try cheese? |
| 16:26.39 | mjt | $ cheese |
| 16:26.43 | mjt | ** (cheese:6970): CRITICAL **: cheese_camera_device_get_uuid: assertion `CHEESE_IS_CAMERA_DEVICE (device)' failed |
| 16:26.46 | mjt | Segmentation fault |
| 16:26.59 | mjt | mtn: yes i did ^^ |
| 16:27.08 | wols_ | mjt: /dev/video* exists? |
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| 16:27.23 | mjt | crw-rw---T+ 1 root video 81, 0 Apr 6 23:38 /dev/video0 |
| 16:27.23 | mjt | crw-rw---T+ 1 root video 81, 3 Apr 7 20:20 /dev/video1 |
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| 16:28.10 | mjt | (i'm in group video btw) |
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| 16:31.32 | dontknow | could someone who uses stable install xul-ext-noscript and tell me the version of noscript by looking inside iceweasel's addon page? |
| 16:31.56 | mjt | /dev/video0 is a tv tuner, and cheese tries to use it as a web-cam (which it isn't), and segfaults. |
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| 16:32.24 | mjt | if i rmmod tvtuner driver, so /dev/video0 is gone, cheese works |
| 16:32.39 | m0rd3cai-away | dontknow: its 2.6.8.14. next time you ask sometime to do something for you of their own time, dont rush people. its fucking rude. |
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| 16:33.45 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, you use stable and no backport? |
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| 16:34.58 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, well i asked politely |
| 16:35.40 | m0rd3cai | correction. 2.1.4-1_all.deb |
| 16:36.06 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, but what does it say in addons page in iceweasel? |
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| 16:36.50 | nullbyte_ | experimental how? |
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| 16:38.01 | dontknow | m0rd3cai, you are the one who pricking around, aren't you |
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| 16:38.31 | jelly-home | dontknow: try to be polite. You're not even using Debian nor planning to, from what we can see. |
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| 16:38.47 | m0rd3cai | jelly-home: ive ignored him. my convo with him is done. |
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| 16:39.07 | jelly-home | nod |
| 16:39.28 | m0rd3cai | :-/ |
| 16:40.16 | dontknow | jelly-home, i am planning to! 2) that guy is just stalling me |
| 16:41.07 | dontknow | is it too hard to install that and say the version number? |
| 16:41.15 | jelly-home | dontknow: why would one do that? |
| 16:41.31 | jelly-home | everyone installs extensions via mozilla's system |
| 16:41.35 | dontknow | to help me for good |
| 16:41.43 | jelly-home | dontknow: help you do what? |
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| 16:42.20 | jelly-home | extraordinary requests require extraordinary reasons |
| 16:42.28 | dontknow | jelly-home, maybe everyone install it from mozilla but it is also in stable repo so it is part of the debian |
| 16:42.39 | jelly-home | dontknow: it's part of debian, so what? |
| 16:42.45 | jelly-home | dontknow: what is your goal? |
| 16:42.53 | grok | dontknow, i have debian stable wheezy, iceweasel, and the xul version of noscript from the repo installed. |
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| 16:43.27 | dontknow | grok, could you tell me the version of noscript by checking in iceweasel addon section |
| 16:43.33 | grok | no |
| 16:43.43 | dontknow | grok, why? |
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| 16:43.48 | mtn | haha |
| 16:44.00 | jelly-home | dontknow: we've already established it was old and buggy and ought to be removed from the repo. What else do you want to know, and why? |
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| 16:44.53 | dontknow | jelly-home, if it is that old, it contradicts what debian says |
| 16:44.55 | Walex | gele: probably you can tell NetworkManager to edit 'resolv.conf' the way you want |
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| 16:45.05 | jelly-home | dontknow: it's a bug. Please report it. |
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| 16:45.28 | jelly-home | dontknow: Debian has bugs! OMFG |
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| 16:46.21 | jelly-home | users find them, report it, and sometimes they get fixed |
| 16:46.44 | dontknow | jelly-home, also the reason that i asked to someone check in iceweasels addon page is that i didn't exactly get the abi system or whatever. so i also assume that it may be not old. so i ask for confirmation |
| 16:47.25 | jelly-home | dontknow: it's old. |
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| 16:48.51 | m0rd3cai | smh.... |
| 16:49.01 | dontknow | jelly-home, it is from 2011. and no one report bug? are you saying this? |
| 16:49.31 | dontknow | the exact version number is 2.1.4? |
| 16:49.33 | jelly-home | dontknow: did you report the bug? |
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| 16:50.26 | dontknow | jelly-home, it would be ridiculous to report bug whithout knowing the exact version |
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| 16:50.50 | dontknow | jelly-home, and also i have no debian installed yet, remember? |
| 16:50.58 | jelly-home | dontknow: what are you waiting for? |
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| 16:51.07 | dontknow | jelly-home, checking |
| 16:51.31 | dontknow | checking if it worths or not |
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| 16:52.09 | osfd_ | does that make sense to have a firewall on a debian personnal computer ? |
| 16:52.11 | osfd_ | PLEASE |
| 16:52.16 | m0rd3cai | yes.... |
| 16:52.19 | osfd_ | sorry, please |
| 16:52.21 | m0rd3cai | and also on your router |
| 16:52.47 | jelly-home | dontknow: sorry, I don't feel it's worth repeating what's said already. Have a nice day. |
| 16:52.48 | mtn | osfd_: not if you have a router with a builtin firewall, which is most of them |
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| 16:53.09 | osfd_ | mtn: I have an internet box |
| 16:53.26 | osfd_ | I guess this is what plays the role of router here |
| 16:53.27 | jelly-home | osfd_: if you ever connect the machine to a public network, or an untrusted one, then yes. |
| 16:53.29 | mtn | osfd_: I have no idea what an internet box is. does it have a firewall? |
| 16:53.44 | jelly-home | osfd_: eg. someone else's wireless |
| 16:53.58 | osfd_ | mtn: http://www.free.fr/adsl/ |
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| 16:54.27 | dontknow | osfd_, install ufw |
| 16:54.30 | osfd_ | so you advise me to have some firewall software, in case I have to connect on a public network |
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| 16:54.58 | dontknow | use these commands "sudo ufw default deny" and "sudo ufw enable" |
| 16:55.02 | jelly-home | osfd_: that's a sane approarch, yes. |
| 16:56.24 | osfd_ | the debian wiki does not talk about ufw on the firewall page |
| 16:56.51 | dontknow | osfd_, debian wiki sucks |
| 16:57.02 | osfd_ | :/ |
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| 16:57.28 | jelly-home | osfd_: then again, dontknow does not even have Debian installed, so take his advice with precaution |
| 16:57.30 | dontknow | osfd_, with those command you block incoming connection and only allow outgoing |
| 16:58.00 | osfd_ | hhmm, ok |
| 16:58.19 | dontknow | suit yourself. |
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| 17:10.53 | dontknow | jelly-home, are you going to fill a noscript bug report? |
| 17:11.46 | dontknow | jelly-home, you are claiming it is old. and you are using debian. so shouldn't you report a bug? |
| 17:12.23 | SynrG | generally people who don't use things shouldn't file bugs on them. |
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| 17:13.33 | SynrG | also http://bugs.debian.org/xul-ext-noscript pretty much confirms "it's old, has bugs, and you're probably better off with the one from mozilla :p" |
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| 17:14.35 | dontknow | SynrG, why is it still in stable repo then? |
| 17:14.51 | m0rd3cai | SynrG: :-) |
| 17:14.54 | workingcats | hi, i'm trying to set the time on a debian7 machine using NTP. i installed ntp and ntpdate, set our LAN's server in /etc/ntp.conf, ran /etc/init.d/ntpd restart, but it doesnt seem to be changing the time |
| 17:14.59 | SynrG | the version in stable has no release-critical bugs |
| 17:14.59 | workingcats | any hints? |
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| 17:16.56 | dontknow | SynrG, being less secure doesn't mean release-critical? |
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| 17:17.49 | mtn | dontknow: you are being silly. all software has some bugs. |
| 17:17.49 | dontknow | beside the iceweasel in stable doesn't support tls 2.0. how come it comply with debian? |
| 17:18.20 | dontknow | mtn, i didn't say they had not |
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| 17:18.36 | mtn | dontknow: then I think the conversation shoud be over, don't you? |
| 17:18.36 | dontknow | they didn't* |
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| 17:19.27 | dontknow | mtn, no |
| 17:19.38 | dontknow | explain this to me |
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| 17:19.45 | mtn | ok, another troll added to my ignore list. |
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| 17:20.22 | [ElChapo] | hi |
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| 17:21.06 | workingcats | oh. never mind my problem, it seems i was merely insufficiently patient |
| 17:21.08 | m0rd3cai | mtn: had to do the same about 20 minutes ago. hes ridiculous |
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| 17:22.56 | RoyK | workingcats: if you're as impatient next time also, just stop ntp and run ntpdate <server> and restart ntp |
| 17:23.49 | workingcats | RoyK, yeah i did that on anotehr one but then i was worried that i didn't really know if it was actually working or not. but clearly it is :) |
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| 17:24.28 | RoyK | workingcats: munin is fine for monitoring stuff, also ntp |
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| 17:25.26 | workingcats | munin looks nice too |
| 17:25.51 | workingcats | but i'll be busy for about 7 millenia putting everything we have into salt and upgrading to supported versions :/ |
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| 17:26.19 | workingcats | but hometime now.. i'll probably be back in about an hour asking more silly questions ;) |
| 17:26.32 | RoyK | workingcats: yeah, but I guess graphite is a wee bit better. scales better, has better graphs, and you can also use munin plugins |
| 17:26.33 | SynrG | dontknow: re 'less secure', don't know what you're talking about. if there's a specific bug that makes it unsuitable for inclusion in debian, it should be patched or removed, but i haven't seen any such bug filed. and such a bug should be filed by someone who can confirm the bug. |
| 17:26.57 | RoyK | workingcats: and since there are >1000 munin plugins, that's a Good Thing(tm) |
| 17:27.08 | nullbyte_ | experimental=sid? |
| 17:27.09 | workingcats | SynrG, i think he's talking about TLS2 support missing from debian's version |
| 17:27.19 | SynrG | dontknow: so far as i can see from my irc log, you tried debian, didn't like it, and gave up on it ... 5 days ago. |
| 17:27.26 | SynrG | so i don't know what we're still talking about |
| 17:27.46 | dontknow | SynrG, i may give a second change |
| 17:28.17 | dontknow | chance* |
| 17:28.20 | SynrG | i can't see that not having TLS2 support would make it unsuitable for inclusion in debian |
| 17:28.22 | workingcats | RoyK, well we have a homemade monitoring system that is quite good (most importantly, battle-tested and configured on all critical things) but i'm already on the lookout for a replacement for that, too |
| 17:28.28 | workingcats | and yeah that support is very nice ^^ |
| 17:28.31 | SynrG | sounds like a wishlist bug for me |
| 17:28.38 | SynrG | s/for/to/ |
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| 17:29.02 | workingcats | hrm also i just noticed. there doesn't seem to be a TLS2 |
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| 17:29.41 | RoyK | workingcats: we use different monitoring systems, just because they mostly overlap. currently using munin for the graphing stuff, but will probably move to graphite some time soon |
| 17:30.00 | RoyK | I just setup munin because it's simple to install... |
| 17:30.01 | workingcats | RoyK, yeah we're gonna start like that, too *sigh* |
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| 17:30.19 | workingcats | but first salt. that's gonna save me so much time. not to mention all the hair |
| 17:30.21 | ice9 | how to install debian on existing encrypted lvm? |
| 17:30.33 | workingcats | right, brb |
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| 17:31.16 | nullbyte_ | err jessie/iceweasel-release Not found on apt-get update |
| 17:31.19 | dontknow | SynrG, is it ok to use iceweasel and xul-ext-noscript from stable? and it is better than using backported ones? |
| 17:31.22 | nullbyte_ | for mozilla |
| 17:31.46 | SynrG | dontknow: if we were talking about something for which you could cite a security advisory ... that would be serious. |
| 17:31.48 | waqstar | In a bash script, would wget http://192.168.1.21/$file/$file.txt work? Can i use variable names like this? |
| 17:32.53 | dontknow | SynrG, no |
| 17:32.53 | SynrG | dontknow: are you asking me as a security expert? because i'm not one. :/ |
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| 17:33.11 | undead_rattler | waqstar: it should work, yes. |
| 17:33.15 | SynrG | dontknow: assess the risk yourself and make a decision. |
| 17:33.36 | dontknow | SynrG, i am trying to understand debian |
| 17:33.41 | SynrG | ndontknow: personally, i use a much more recent iceweasel |
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| 17:33.51 | workingcats | dontknow, there is no TLS 2.0 |
| 17:33.52 | SynrG | pardon the nick typo. |
| 17:34.28 | SynrG | dontknow: it's not a problem i've ever had to solve, sorry. i use stable only on servers. |
| 17:34.49 | workingcats | there's the (thoroughly discredited) SSL 2.0, and the current version of TLS which is 1.2. if you want that run a sufficiently recent iceweasel, i really dont see anyone backporting that kinda stuff |
| 17:34.50 | SynrG | but that's just me. not general advice. i'm a debian developer, so need to run development stuff |
| 17:35.08 | dontknow | workingcats, sorry 1.2 |
| 17:35.09 | workingcats | in FF i think it became active by default with 27 or 28 |
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| 17:35.57 | SynrG | ,v xul-ext-noscript |
| 17:35.59 | judd | Package: xul-ext-noscript on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.9.69-1; wheezy: 2.1.4-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.8.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.6.8.19-1; sid: 2.6.8.19-1 |
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| 17:36.23 | SynrG | ,v iceweasel |
| 17:36.24 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 24.4.0esr-1; sid: 24.4.0esr-1; experimental: 28.0-1 |
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| 17:36.44 | dontknow | workingcats, yes. but in 24.4 it is not |
| 17:38.26 | SynrG | there is #740539 and it is marked as resolved but not closed |
| 17:39.16 | SynrG | it is fixed in backports. if you use the wheezy-security version of iceweasel it looks like you need the backports for noscript |
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| 17:39.45 | SynrG | unless a version enters the next point release, the version in stable is a candidate for removal |
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| 17:40.12 | SynrG | dontknow: so you asked why it isn't removed? it certainly looks like it's in danger of being removed unless this is resolved with an upload. |
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| 17:42.07 | dontknow | SynrG, what is #740539? |
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| 17:44.24 | peterrooney | ,bug 740539 |
| 17:44.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/740539 in xul-ext-noscript (open): «xul-ext-noscript: Version 2.1.4-1 does not work with iceweasel 24+»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-03-02; last modified: 2014-03-08. |
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| 17:45.42 | nullbyte_ | how ca n i add mozi |
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| 17:48.21 | kanliot | i think i found a bug. when i do" df -h /dev/sda1" on wheezy i get 10M available |
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| 17:49.09 | SynrG | kanliot: that's reasonable |
| 17:49.35 | dontknow | peterrooney, SynrG i see but it is only because noscript doesn't work with iceweasel, not because it is security issue |
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| 17:49.46 | SynrG | kanliot: the question you asked was "please tell me how much disk space is available on the filesystem on which /dev/sda1 resides" |
| 17:49.51 | SynrG | kanliot: that filesystem is /dev |
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| 17:50.11 | SynrG | kanliot: i think you've just asked the wrong question :) what are you trying to determine? |
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| 17:50.26 | kanliot | so it's returning the info for /dev and not /dev/sda1 |
| 17:50.27 | kanliot | right? |
| 17:50.53 | SynrG | peterrooney: well, if the software doesn't work at all, it's not a security issue is it? :) can't run it ... no security problem |
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| 17:51.04 | SynrG | er, s/peterrooney/dontknow/ sorry |
| 17:51.36 | SynrG | kanliot: no. it's returning the info for /dev/sda1, but not the info that you thought it would return. |
| 17:51.46 | SynrG | kanliot: again, please tell me what you're trying to determine. |
| 17:52.04 | SynrG | kanliot: 'sda1' is a device node. it is not a filesystem. |
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| 17:52.16 | kanliot | hm |
| 17:52.18 | SynrG | kanliot: it is in /dev, which is a 'udev' filesystem |
| 17:52.54 | kanliot | ok ne. |
| 17:52.54 | kanliot | <SynrG> kanliot: 'sda1' is a device node. it is not a filesystem. << --- i like that answer |
| 17:52.55 | kanliot | tyvm |
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| 17:54.03 | SynrG | kanliot: depending on what filesystem is *on* sda1, you might find "df /" gives you what you really want to know |
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| 17:54.36 | SynrG | (if there is a filesystem on /dev/sda1 at all ... i have no way of knowing this :) |
| 17:54.54 | kanliot | a pleasure getting such a precise answer :) |
| 17:55.01 | dontknow | SynrG, you can say it just doesn't compatible with. i think security and compatibility is not same |
| 17:55.32 | dontknow | it just isn't compatible* |
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| 18:03.41 | sm2 | has anyone seen an issue with 7.4 where after boot, there is no console, just a blank screen? |
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| 18:05.27 | SynrG | dontknow: you're the one who suggested there was a "less secure" version in stable. i just don't know where that came from. then you talked about missing TLS ... but i didn't see any security advisory, so i assume that's just a wishlist ... so yes, the version in stable has no security problem that i know of at this time. but it is in danger of removal unless the incompatibility with the incoming new version in wheezy-security replaces the old ... |
| 18:05.33 | SynrG | ... version from 7.4. |
| 18:05.46 | SynrG | sorry if that's a bit scattered. juggling this and work :) |
| 18:06.37 | jelly-home | SynrG: noscript itself being a security-related tool, any version but the very latest has security issues |
| 18:06.41 | SynrG | dontknow: in summary: there's no security problem with xul-ext-nopaste. however, there is a compatilibty problem, so until that's resolved, use the one in backports, or don't use it at all until either someone makes an upload fixing the problem, or it is removed. |
| 18:06.54 | kyle__ | Is there a way to see what an individual processe's ioload is? I'm using atsar for data collection at the moment, and it gives me nice aggregate data, but now I've got to drill down to what's eating up my io..and it doesn't provide that. |
| 18:07.31 | sm2 | iotop would work for short term |
| 18:07.34 | SynrG | jelly-home: but again, as i said before, if someone knows of specific security issues, they should file a bug (and that person should be a debian user) |
| 18:07.44 | SynrG | jelly-home: you've asserted there are ... maybe you want to file? |
| 18:08.06 | jelly-home | sure, or use the extension from mozilla like any sane person |
| 18:08.13 | kyle__ | blnks |
| 18:08.24 | jelly-home | I don't use debian's packaging for firefox extensions. |
| 18:08.25 | kyle__ | iotop. HOly hell how did I not know about this before. |
| 18:08.32 | sm2 | :) |
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| 18:08.58 | SynrG | jelly-home: that, of course, is a personal policy and does not represent any official debian policy |
| 18:09.06 | sm2 | has anyone seen an issue with 7.4 where after boot, there is no console, just a blank screen? it happens in single and multi user mode, brand new install |
| 18:09.27 | dontknow | jelly-home, ^ that was my point |
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| 18:09.33 | dontknow | also |
| 18:09.46 | jelly-home | dontknow: yes, I said that two hours ago. |
| 18:09.49 | SynrG | jelly-home: if you think "no sane person" should run xul-ext-nopaste, you should file an RC bug with justification for its removal |
| 18:10.10 | SynrG | er, xul-ext-noscript |
| 18:10.11 | SynrG | pardon |
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| 18:10.29 | jelly-home | SynrG: I don't care about it enough, and suggested dontknow to do it since he seemed to care. |
| 18:11.09 | jelly-home | personally I think the packaging is actively harmful, that whoever packaged it is aware of that, and that it betrays a larger problem |
| 18:11.32 | SynrG | sigh |
| 18:11.41 | grok | lol |
| 18:11.42 | kyle__ | sm2: Thank you so much. |
| 18:11.54 | SynrG | so you care enough to ask people to install non-debian software, but not enough to help debian improve the state of affairs |
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| 18:12.04 | sm2 | kyle__: :) |
| 18:12.04 | SynrG | jelly-home: pardon me, but i found that profoundly discouraging |
| 18:12.15 | SynrG | s/found/find/ |
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| 18:12.39 | jelly-home | SynrG: I avoid debian politics as much as possible. |
| 18:12.46 | dontknow | SynrG, i am telling this from the beggining |
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| 18:13.10 | dontknow | debian suggest its stable packages for better security and stability |
| 18:13.10 | SynrG | dontknow: you would have more leverage as a debian user to help. as i said, i don't use this software and have no complaint :/ |
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| 18:13.35 | nabblet | sm2: just to get my level of question right - how experienced are you with linux or debian? |
| 18:13.36 | SynrG | dontknow: in *general* that is true. you've hit a corner of debian where there are unaddressed issues |
| 18:14.01 | jelly-home | SynrG: so yeah, I could file RC bugs for removing noscript and obsolete iceweasel from stable, request putting ESR in -updates, but... people who do that work already know all that. |
| 18:14.21 | SynrG | jelly-home: where 24.0 is obsolete? |
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| 18:14.29 | jelly-home | 24 is esr, that's fine |
| 18:14.35 | SynrG | ,v iceweasel |
| 18:14.36 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 24.4.0esr-1; sid: 24.4.0esr-1; experimental: 28.0-1 |
| 18:14.40 | monkwitdafunk | gnu linux has many general purpose uses |
| 18:14.56 | jelly-home | SynrG: sudden breakout of common sense! |
| 18:15.02 | SynrG | jelly-home: am i wrong that wheezy-security version will be the new version in 7.5 solving *that* problem? |
| 18:15.15 | jelly-home | hopefully yes |
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| 18:15.23 | jelly-home | I mean, you're not wrong |
| 18:15.23 | SynrG | jelly-home: that will force the removal of xul-ext-noscript without a new upload |
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| 18:15.42 | SynrG | so *either* in 7.5 it is fixed with a new xul-ext-noscript *or* it gets removed. |
| 18:15.44 | dontknow | SynrG, but pepople uses 7.4 now |
| 18:15.50 | jelly-home | ormerely make it uninstallable, which os good enough |
| 18:16.08 | KaaK | I'm packaging a small python (strictly 2.6 and higher) application using debhelper, and despite having a 'X-Python-version: >= 2.6' stanza in the control file, it is still symlinking things into '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/' |
| 18:16.08 | jelly-home | dontknow: people also have security repo enabled by default |
| 18:16.21 | SynrG | dontknow: you've discovered the type of "propagation delay" that makes transitions tricky ... |
| 18:16.40 | jelly-home | dontknow: this is exactly what the security repo is used for |
| 18:16.49 | dontknow | jelly-home, so if someone install xul-ext-noscript, they get the corrected version? |
| 18:17.00 | jelly-home | dontknow: nope, since there is none |
| 18:17.14 | SynrG | one package is uploaded that has whole new dependencies, forcing changes to other packages ... only it isn't discovered until people using *both* packages discover the descrepancy ... |
| 18:17.21 | SynrG | by that time, the point release has come and gone |
| 18:17.36 | SynrG | so we end up with a bug in the current point release. *hopefully* fixed by next one |
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| 18:17.57 | SynrG | discrepancy* |
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| 18:18.12 | KaaK | Any python packagers in here that can point me in the right direction? |
| 18:18.23 | SynrG | dontknow: if you think that's messy, try running testing :) |
| 18:18.30 | jelly-home | this particular extension seems to be only useful online. I do not think Debian users profit from it being packaged at all, and it'd be better if they got it using mozilla's extension installation process |
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| 18:18.48 | dontknow | SynrG, when will 7.5 released? |
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| 18:18.54 | SynrG | dontknow: "soon" |
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| 18:19.53 | dontknow | jelly-home, it has advantage of enabling on every user |
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| 18:20.00 | nabblet | i think that an interesting issue in general (might be a bit ot now) - but is there some kind of policy for software that brings it's own "package managemeent" - like firefox extension, or python's pip... |
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| 18:20.06 | somiaj | This upgrading the version of webbrowsers in debian security (iceweasel and chormium I know are effected) is actually quite a new change in how debian security handels things. I would expect a little bit of time to fix some other issues with this change. |
| 18:20.51 | jelly-home | dontknow: how many users do you have on machines with browsers installed? |
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| 18:21.18 | jelly-home | dontknow: is it a practical advantage for you, or just theorerical? |
| 18:21.29 | SynrG | dontknow: barring unforeseen circumstances, April 26th |
| 18:21.44 | somiaj | dontknow: btw, if you add wheezy-updates (along with security) to your sources.list you will get most the updates that will be put into 7.5 anyways, the actual release is just a small thing. |
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| 18:22.17 | SynrG | with the caveat that "things could still change" |
| 18:22.38 | dontknow | jelly-home, it has advantages for every user or one user with multiple iceweasel profile etc.. |
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| 18:24.14 | jelly-home | dontknow: I'd look into using mdn for the time being, then |
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| 18:24.30 | jelly-home | (those mozilla.debian.net repos) |
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| 18:26.34 | dontknow | jelly-home, i already know that. but you doesn't see the point |
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| 18:28.46 | dontknow | even that bug was filled 36 days ago |
| 18:28.48 | jelly-home | dontknow: I take a pragmatic approach and set up things so they work. Whether they come from Debian itself, from an associated repo, or from Mozilla, I find much less important. |
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| 18:29.39 | dontknow | before that it was a version from 2011 |
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| 18:29.59 | jelly-home | dontknow: if Debian has a fucking old version, I'll first suggest getting the updated version from Mozilla because that's what I do on my systems, and it works with minimum annoyance. |
| 18:30.02 | dontknow | without modified ever since |
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| 18:30.33 | dontknow | jelly-home, but debian says, get it from official debian repos |
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| 18:30.47 | jelly-home | dontknow: they do. |
| 18:30.54 | dontknow | says don't install from outside |
| 18:31.03 | jelly-home | dontknow: they do NOT say that. |
| 18:31.21 | jelly-home | dontknow: they say Debian is a Universal Operating System. |
| 18:31.39 | jelly-home | dontknow: Operating System has a purpose -- to run software you need. |
| 18:31.53 | jelly-home | dontknow: that includes software outside the OS. |
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| 18:31.59 | doc-donkey | do you always do as your mama tells you ?? |
| 18:32.22 | dontknow | jelly-home, says install software from official repos, suggests using stable. |
| 18:32.28 | SynrG | dontknow: here's the thing. if you ask debian support for help, they will help with what debian supports ... which is what comes from debian. |
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| 18:32.36 | SynrG | dontknow: obviously we can't recommend what we don't support. |
| 18:32.46 | jelly-home | dontknow: that's only second to it being an Operating System :-) |
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| 18:33.12 | SynrG | dontknow: also, if there are things that are unsuitable to be in debian, we ask to file release critical bugs ... |
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| 18:33.27 | SynrG | dontknow: that *has been done* in this case (but maybe not for the reason you initially thought) |
| 18:33.36 | SynrG | dontknow: and it *will be solved* (very soon!) |
| 18:33.58 | SynrG | dontknow: so what's the remaining issue here to discuss? |
| 18:34.13 | centrx | What is the problem? |
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| 18:36.00 | dontknow | SynrG, but it reported 36 days ago |
| 18:36.09 | SynrG | centrx: dontknow strives to understand how an ancient version of xul-ext-noscript survives in the repo for so long without being addressed in a prior point release (i think). and now that a bug is filed about the incompatibility, why there is still no new version for stable (other than backports) ~ 1 month later |
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| 18:36.21 | nullbyte_ | jessie and mozilla how |
| 18:36.28 | jelly-home | dontknow: eh, some bugs take YEARS |
| 18:36.32 | SynrG | dontknow: and? it is 'resolved' in testing & backports. |
| 18:37.06 | SynrG | dontknow: so i think perhaps the urgency to push a new version for the next point release is something some people who could probably do something about this probably don't feel ... |
| 18:37.15 | SynrG | dontknow: should we resort to torture? :) |
| 18:37.16 | centrx | What's wrong with the older version? |
| 18:37.16 | dontknow | SynrG, yes i mean it should be like 2.1.4-256 considering it is from 2011 |
| 18:37.23 | centrx | It looks like there is a backport anyway? |
| 18:37.45 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 18:37.47 | centrx | dontknow, wheezy has 2.1.4, and wheezy-backports has 2.6.8.4. What's the problem? |
| 18:38.01 | jelly-home | SynrG: I fear that's the wrong problem to solve. Bumping the version of noscript for an update won't change the fact it's going to be outdated two weeks hence |
| 18:38.03 | SynrG | centrx: incoming version in wheezy-security will break xul-ext-noscript and without a new upload to stable-updates, it's going to be removed in the next point release. |
| 18:38.06 | asterismo | is there anyway to get chanserv and nick serv run in ircd-hybrid server? |
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| 18:38.23 | SynrG | centrx: nobody has made that upload ... apparently. |
| 18:38.32 | jelly-home | SynrG: just like the one in bpo is outdated :-| |
| 18:38.34 | asterismo | there are a couple ubuntu tutorials on how to install hybserv but there is not suck package for debian 7 |
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| 18:40.08 | doc-donkey | whats included in the predefined collections of softwares ? |
| 18:40.21 | SynrG | jelly-home: i don't think your contribution to the discussion is helping dontknow understand "how does debian work?" :) |
| 18:40.30 | jelly-home | heheh |
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| 18:40.51 | jelly-home | sometimes it doesn't... it's still the best platform and I love it dearly |
| 18:40.55 | SynrG | dontknow: unless you find it somehow satisfying to realize "we are still working things out, and don't have it all 100% right after all these years" |
| 18:41.04 | dontknow | if you check http://noscript.net/changelog you understand what i mean |
| 18:41.09 | SynrG | dontknow: it's a matter for me of "the devil you know" |
| 18:41.19 | jelly-home | ^^ THIS |
| 18:41.21 | SynrG | dontknow: i know it's not perfect. but the alternatives give me horrors |
| 18:41.33 | jelly-home | we have bugs in stable. They are KNOWN |
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| 18:42.28 | SynrG | dontknow, jelly-home: ahh. *if* i cared about this software i would probably file an RC "not suitable to be included in stable; ever." |
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| 18:42.47 | SynrG | looks like a candidate for volatile |
| 18:42.48 | jelly-home | nod. it's like clamav |
| 18:43.03 | SynrG | dontknow: and some packages *have* received that treatment |
| 18:43.09 | SynrG | so it's not futile to complain |
| 18:43.18 | jelly-home | there are hundreds of tiny rules in noscript, and it gets updates all the time |
| 18:43.22 | SynrG | it just won't get attention until people wise up and notice. |
| 18:44.06 | SynrG | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:44.07 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
| 18:44.12 | SynrG | ^^ another prime exemple |
| 18:44.14 | SynrG | example* |
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| 18:44.21 | jelly-home | dontknow: so, UNTIL it gets removed, it's best to ignore that package in stable and pretend it does not exist |
| 18:44.29 | SynrG | nods |
| 18:44.38 | sdf10809 | why does debian even mess around with firefox extensions? |
| 18:44.39 | SynrG | agree 100% |
| 18:44.54 | jelly-home | someone is invariably going to ask why foo is not in debian, then |
| 18:44.56 | zinx | sdf10809: security stuff, sometimes |
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| 18:45.11 | dontknow | for example isn't it a issue where v 2.6.5.7 changelog states "[XSS] Removed host redirection chance on XSS-vulnerable pages (thanks Masato Kinugawa for reporting)" |
| 18:45.22 | jelly-home | and receive a slap with a virtual fish |
| 18:45.29 | zinx | sdf10809: also issues with update mechanisms - installing the debian package gets it to all users, installing it yourself does not |
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| 18:46.22 | dontknow | and stable 2.4.1 hasn't that issue fixed |
| 18:46.24 | sdf10809 | zinx, but everyone picks and chooses what extensions they want. why would you ship anything to all users by default? |
| 18:46.25 | zinx | why is judd still using squeeze-backports, instead of wheezy-backports |
| 18:46.30 | SynrG | zinx: there are ways around that |
| 18:46.45 | SynrG | zinx: there is a site-wide place to put plugins that is *not* via debian packages |
| 18:46.52 | zinx | sdf10809: certain extensions may be desirable to include by default... noscript is certainly one of them |
| 18:46.54 | jelly-home | sdf10809: some of those are handy to get installed even on an offline machine, or as dontknow noticed, be immediately available for all users |
| 18:47.06 | zinx | SynrG: right, but it requires extra steps and root access to do that ;) |
| 18:47.12 | SynrG | yup :) |
| 18:47.24 | SynrG | but multiuser setups require slightly more admin smarts anyway |
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| 18:47.41 | sdf10809 | i installed iceweasel from debian-mozilla and did not notice any extensions bundled with it by default |
| 18:47.48 | zinx | i have several users for each of my personalities |
| 18:48.16 | zinx | sdf10809: it doesn't come with any bundled, they are available as separate packages |
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| 18:50.08 | dontknow | zinx, are you using stable xul-ext-noscript? |
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| 18:50.50 | zinx | dontknow: i run sid, i don't recommend you run sid |
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| 18:51.08 | dontknow | zinx, yes. debian recommends stable |
| 18:51.15 | jelly-home | dontknow: please do NOT use stable xul-ext-noscript. |
| 18:51.38 | arzer | jelly-home: why? I am using that... |
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| 18:52.04 | zinx | dontknow: fwiw i do use xul-ext-noscript from sid :) |
| 18:52.19 | dontknow | zinx, yes sorry. |
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| 18:52.28 | arzer | zinx: does it work with iceweasel from stable? |
| 18:52.37 | zinx | arzer: no |
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| 18:53.14 | jelly-home | arzer: NoScript gets updates with fixes for new browser issues and new workarounds for specific sites on a weekly to bi-weekly basis |
| 18:53.15 | dontknow | stable one doesn't work wit iceweasel 24. |
| 18:53.17 | zinx | arzer: if you need new noscript, either install from backports, or if that's not new enough, uninstall the debian package and install it from mozilla's extensions page |
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| 18:53.33 | jelly-home | arzer: it's like having three year old antivirus definitions |
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| 18:54.08 | dontknow | zinx, but it defat the purpose. because it is in stable repo and debian suggest use its packages |
| 18:54.37 | zinx | arzer: most packages you shouldn't install directly from the vendor (you should use debian package), but firefox/iceweasel extensions are minimal impact since they install to your user's directory, which is not something debian's package system manages really |
| 18:55.06 | arzer | zinx: when I install via APT it is usually system-wide, isn't it? |
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| 18:55.15 | zinx | arzer: basically, if it wants root to install, you should definitely use debian's packages |
| 18:55.16 | sdf10809 | or you can add the debian mozilla line to your sources.list and get the current release of iceweasel |
| 18:55.32 | zinx | arzer: it's always system-wide |
| 18:55.35 | arzer | jelly-home: what about iceweasel and noscript from stable-backports; now it is the same as in unstable, is this always the case? |
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| 18:55.39 | dontknow | sdf10809, yes but debian suggest stable one |
| 18:56.08 | sdf10809 | it is stable. wheezy-backports |
| 18:56.10 | zinx | arzer: all users don't have to use it, but it's installed such that they can (assuming they have correct privs if the app has more restrictions on who can run it) |
| 18:56.40 | jelly-home | arzer: backports typically track testing |
| 18:56.46 | dontknow | dontknow, but it is not defined in repo by default |
| 18:56.48 | arzer | zinx: usually, when it is installed, it is activated on all accounts by default, which I find good in this case |
| 18:56.48 | zinx | backports is usually ok |
| 18:56.58 | zinx | as long as you only install what you actually need from it |
| 18:57.12 | arzer | jelly-home: so what do you do and advise? chrooting? |
| 18:57.53 | zinx | arzer: yes, but when it's not an option to install via debian package, and it's a single user system pretty much, installing for that user is ok :/ |
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| 18:58.32 | jelly-home | arzer: what I personally do is get and upgrade extensions from mozilla |
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| 18:58.51 | jelly-home | yes, it has to be done per profile and per user |
| 18:59.12 | jelly-home | otoh, it's done automatically after they're installed for the first time |
| 18:59.18 | arzer | jelly-home: not a nice option for critical plugins such as adblock and noscript :( |
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| 18:59.33 | jelly-home | arzer: it's a very nice option in that it's bloody fastest |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | arzer: sometimes I install noscript from noscript site, but mozilla catches up in around a week |
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| 19:02.33 | dontknow | it doesn't fit the debian policy including an addon from 2011 without adding security fixes |
| 19:02.51 | dontknow | and noscript is not something that you can ignore |
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| 19:04.01 | dontknow | but debian says, security and stability is important for them |
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| 19:04.52 | dontknow | but it looks like the packager only attends when it doesn't work |
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| 19:05.32 | neuroserpens | LoL |
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| 19:07.16 | neuroserpens | I proudly announce I will soon be a proud member of the proud Debian community. Proudly migrating from Arch because Valve has proudly based its proud SteamOS on Debian. |
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| 19:07.31 | johnnyfive | Proudly |
| 19:07.42 | neuroserpens | Exactly |
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| 19:11.29 | dontknow | i am going to report debian to un human rights commitee |
| 19:11.34 | dontknow | :p |
| 19:11.38 | ompaul | dontknow: happy trolling elsewhere |
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| 19:13.48 | dontknow | ompaul, you think i am trolling? |
| 19:14.06 | ompaul | installs an /ignore against that bug |
| 19:14.06 | SynrG | dontknow: news flash. unless *somebody* files an RC bug, many problems don't get attended to. so this is not a lack of "debian caring". it's a lack of *anyone* caring. |
| 19:14.35 | SynrG | dontknow: tell me why, since 2011, nobody cared to file an RC bug about it? nobody seems to notice the problem but you :) |
| 19:15.09 | SynrG | dontknow: the nice thing about debian is it is designed to take care of problems it knows about. and that, it does, very well! |
| 19:15.15 | dontknow | SynrG, because it was working? |
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| 19:15.42 | dontknow | SynrG, noscript is something that can be ignored? |
| 19:16.18 | SynrG | dontknow: who is doing the ignoring? being a community supported distro means the *community* owns the problem. |
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| 19:16.31 | dontknow | SynrG, package maintainer |
| 19:16.33 | SynrG | nobody in the community thought it was worth addressing until it broke. |
| 19:17.07 | SynrG | sorry. bzzt. maintainers are volunteers with lives. there's absolutely no way to guarantee that 100% of maintainers live up to your exacting standards ... |
| 19:17.21 | SynrG | *without* filing bugs to tell them "please, there's a problem here you don't know about, fix it!" |
| 19:17.46 | sdf10809 | this topic just doesn't want to die |
| 19:18.01 | sdf10809 | file a bug or don't, come on |
| 19:18.10 | Procy0n | so... should I just put all of you in ignore, or will you be stopping this retarded argument? |
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| 19:19.03 | dontknow | SynrG, so everyone was fine with unexpected redirections etc.. |
| 19:19.14 | SynrG | apparently yes. |
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| 19:19.49 | SynrG | and i've worn out everyone's patience by continuing to engage you on this topic, so ... bye |
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| 19:20.06 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 19:20.07 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 19:21.42 | neuroserpens | dpkg: We can't make jokes here? :( |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | neuroserpens: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 19:22.03 | dontknow | i don't think it was off topic |
| 19:22.25 | neuroserpens | dpkg: What? Why did you send me that link? |
| 19:22.26 | dpkg | neuroserpens: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:22.28 | dontknow | anyways. i think you got my point |
| 19:22.44 | mjt | neuroserpens: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:22.45 | dontknow | first you people ridiculed me. but i was right |
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| 19:22.56 | neuroserpens | mjt: ROFL!!!!!! |
| 19:22.58 | mjt | !bot |
| 19:22.59 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:23.16 | nkuttler | dontknow: if you have a debian support question, ask it. if not, move on |
| 19:23.18 | neuroserpens | dpkg: You suck. xD |
| 19:23.19 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 19:23.26 | nkuttler | neuroserpens: and no bot abuse, thanks |
| 19:23.39 | neuroserpens | nkuttler: lmfao... just once... I promise xD |
| 19:24.00 | stew | neuroserpens: feel free to send her private messages instead then |
| 19:24.17 | neuroserpens | stew: How do I do that? o,O |
| 19:24.19 | neuroserpens | is a noob |
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| 19:24.25 | neuroserpens | No wait... |
| 19:24.29 | neuroserpens | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.31 | stew | yes |
| 19:24.39 | neuroserpens | Oh right. I just remembered xD |
| 19:24.46 | dontknow | nkuttler, i told all |
| 19:24.48 | mjt | /msg dpkg whatever |
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| 19:25.26 | neuroserpens | ROFL THIS BOT IS THE FUNNIEST BOT EVER |
| 19:26.02 | neuroserpens | is laughing so hard he is gonna die! |
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| 19:35.45 | doc-donkey | whats the easy way to connect a headless brand new debian installation to the great internets ? |
| 19:36.06 | jordanm | dhcp |
| 19:36.18 | doc-donkey | i mean wirelessly |
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| 19:36.53 | doc-donkey | with step by step instructions |
| 19:36.57 | doc-donkey | and easyness |
| 19:37.06 | ompaul | doc-donkey: is it currently headless? |
| 19:37.12 | jordanm | there is no easiness for wireless + headless |
| 19:37.31 | doc-donkey | yes, no head that i can see |
| 19:37.49 | ompaul | so how do you know it is debian? |
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| 19:38.53 | doc-donkey | well, unless its all a big lie, im not too wrong in assuming i just installed debian |
| 19:39.13 | ompaul | so you installed it you had a monitor and keyboard attached etc |
| 19:39.28 | doc-donkey | yes, everything is still connected |
| 19:39.32 | ompaul | you had and wired? |
| 19:39.37 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.41 | doc-donkey | no |
| 19:39.49 | ompaul | any networking attached at all? |
| 19:39.54 | doc-donkey | no |
| 19:40.05 | doc-donkey | i should have heh |
| 19:40.12 | ompaul | it would have been useful |
| 19:40.28 | doc-donkey | during the installation the system would have ran test and installed what i needed from there |
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| 19:40.49 | doc-donkey | unfortunately, no wire runs from here to there |
| 19:40.50 | ompaul | it would most likely cost you less time if you would stick a bit of wire in the back of it to set it up |
| 19:40.57 | ompaul | lift carry move |
| 19:41.01 | ompaul | seriously |
| 19:41.03 | ompaul | you want easy |
| 19:41.10 | doc-donkey | yup i can see that now |
| 19:41.12 | ompaul | cos there is no easy the other way |
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| 19:41.27 | ompaul | !tell doc-donkey about wireless |
| 19:41.28 | doc-donkey | alright |
| 19:41.34 | doc-donkey | no need |
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| 19:41.39 | ompaul | doc-donkey: read what the bot sez |
| 19:41.49 | doc-donkey | okido |
| 19:42.03 | doc-donkey | so, i should perform a brand new clean installation should i ? |
| 19:43.23 | Andymeows | Hello, I've got a system that I just converted to vm, but it looks like grub was lost. I've got lvm setup with a logical root and logical swap. I'm not sure if there was a logical /boot that got lost. Can anyone help with grub-install? |
| 19:43.34 | ompaul | doc-donkey: depends what did you use to do this install |
| 19:43.43 | ompaul | doc-donkey: which install version |
| 19:43.53 | doc-donkey | ompaul, usb stick 7.4 dvd 1 |
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| 19:44.08 | doc-donkey | i had the option but i ignored everything internet |
| 19:44.16 | ompaul | doc-donkey: much of a muchness but |
| 19:44.28 | ompaul | I'd be inclined to do it all from scratch if you are not used to debian and installing |
| 19:44.41 | ompaul | if you knew enough you wouldn't be here ;-) |
| 19:44.49 | doc-donkey | ompaul, alright |
| 19:44.56 | doc-donkey | cant say i didnt try |
| 19:45.13 | stew | do you have a punch card reader and a dot matrix printer? |
| 19:45.18 | ice9 | how to install debian on existing encrypted lvm disk? |
| 19:45.31 | ompaul | I can't say that, but I can say you could try other things seriously installs with wires in are the easiest |
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| 19:46.01 | ompaul | ice9: you don't you install it and let it encrypt it unless you stick in a vm on the other |
| 19:46.04 | nkuttler | ice9: i guess you'd have to mount it manually during install |
| 19:46.22 | nkuttler | ompaul: can't he just mount it to /target ? |
| 19:46.23 | ompaul | nkuttler: where be keys? |
| 19:46.23 | doc-donkey | ompaul, heres my goal : i want a home fileserver on which the gui is only called upon when i feel like it (via startx) |
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| 19:46.46 | ompaul | doc-donkey: wander over to the modem plug in for an hour and be happier |
| 19:47.02 | nkuttler | ompaul: keys to do what? decrypt it? |
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| 19:47.07 | nkuttler | you don't have to use key files |
| 19:47.10 | ice9 | nkuttler: I booted from the live cd but there is cryptsetup command in the terminal, I unlocked it from Disks app, then I wan't able to mount it, it couldn't identify the lvm |
| 19:47.26 | doc-donkey | ompaul, what way would you go : install with a gui then find the way to keep it from starting automaticly, or do a headless clean install then add the gui after ? |
| 19:47.29 | nkuttler | ice9: ah |
| 19:47.33 | ompaul | doc-donkey: I wouldn't bother about keeping the gui off |
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| 19:47.52 | doc-donkey | ompaul, : why so ? |
| 19:47.52 | ompaul | doc-donkey: the clock cycles are not that expensive |
| 19:48.09 | ompaul | if you intend to use X later |
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| 19:48.21 | ompaul | doc-donkey: you said easy |
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| 19:48.49 | doc-donkey | i said easy because i know you guys can come up with the hard way, hehe |
| 19:49.14 | ompaul | doc-donkey: I've given you the easiest |
| 19:49.14 | doc-donkey | what if i realy want to keep the gui off, is there any easy way ? |
| 19:49.21 | doc-donkey | yes, thanks |
| 19:49.33 | ompaul | don't install it until you have the base install done |
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| 19:49.47 | ompaul | then configure the box while attached to the wire |
| 19:50.05 | ompaul | then wander off and position it on the wireless |
| 19:50.13 | ompaul | once you have all packages installed |
| 19:50.40 | ompaul | you could service xdm stop assuming xdm you might have gdm or kdm but it would be on on reastart |
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| 19:50.54 | ompaul | you could apt-get remove kdm or gdm3 or whatever it is |
| 19:51.16 | doc-donkey | ok |
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| 19:51.30 | somiaj | !tell doc-donkey about nodm |
| 19:51.42 | prompt32 | i want to reset the grub2 on my boot sector, but grub-install don't do it ??? , (somehow grub ask for a device that dont exists (UUID), and listing my disks in reverse order (in grub rescue)). Can someone help me with this ? |
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| 19:51.54 | somiaj | doc-donkey: there is a config option you can use in that factoid that disables all dms if they are installed or not. |
| 19:52.25 | doc-donkey | so once im there i should search for nodm ? |
| 19:52.57 | somiaj | prompt32: try update-grub, that should update the grub files that are read. all the grub-install does is put the info in a paticular part of the hd |
| 19:53.06 | somiaj | doc-donkey: dpkg should have sent you a factoid, read it. (: |
| 19:53.26 | doc-donkey | thanks somiaj |
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| 19:54.21 | prompt32 | somiaj, my config works ok, but the grub looks in a device dont exist |
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| 19:55.19 | somiaj | prompt32: I understand, look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- this is where the boot tells the kernel what device to use as root |
| 19:56.16 | somiaj | prompt32: you need to update that config file update-grub |
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| 19:56.19 | doc-donkey | you guys are great, thanks somiaj and ompaul for taking your time to help me on my endeavors |
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| 20:02.39 | TheWarden | Is it possible at all to mount ext4 on a ext3 file system? The server I have setup is ext3 and the USB stick I have is ext4. |
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| 20:03.01 | TheWarden | I'm just wanting to modify a file on the USB stick. |
| 20:03.04 | Spec | TheWarden: yes. |
| 20:03.21 | TheWarden | Spec: Okay, how can I do it then? I've read that its not possible. |
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| 20:03.31 | Spec | why wouldn't it be? |
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| 20:03.43 | TheWarden | no idea, just says so on here https://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 |
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| 20:04.07 | TheWarden | I guess this is applied to older OSs then Squeeze. |
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| 20:04.12 | TheWarden | mmm |
| 20:04.19 | Spec | that means you can't mount ext4 as ext3 |
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| 20:04.36 | ice9 | how to mount encrypted lvm manually in the livecd? |
| 20:04.43 | Spec | TheWarden: just plug in the usb stick and mount it ;) |
| 20:04.57 | TheWarden | Spec: trying to thus far its not working. |
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| 20:05.09 | Spec | TheWarden: what does it tell you when you plug in? (what does the bottom of dmesg say?) |
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| 20:07.03 | TheWarden | [ 4004.377438] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 20:07.51 | TheWarden | In X Window it says "Unable to mount deb-amd64-7.4.0 not authorized". |
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| 20:08.47 | TheWarden | the kernel has support for ext4 as I verified by doing grep ext4 /proc/filesystems |
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| 20:09.53 | TheWarden | Spec: [ 4195.301081] EXT4-fs (sdg1): bad geometry: block count 1953792 exceeds size of device (1861120 blocks) |
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| 20:10.27 | TheWarden | Spec: mmm that message appeard when trying to doing sudo mount -t /dev/sdg1 /mnt/usb |
| 20:10.27 | Spec | TheWarden: sudo mkdir /media/sdg1; sudo mount /dev/sdg1 /media/sdg1 |
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| 20:10.33 | Spec | TheWarden: '-t' wants the argument of 'ext4' probably |
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| 20:10.48 | Spec | TheWarden: or just omit it |
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| 20:10.50 | TheWarden | Spec: ops sorry I meant to type -t ext4 in there |
| 20:10.55 | TheWarden | Spec: I tried omitting |
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| 20:11.16 | TheWarden | Spec: I already have /mnt/usb/ why make another place in /media/? |
| 20:11.18 | Spec | TheWarden: oh, bad geometry, i see. you sure it's a good disk? |
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| 20:11.48 | TheWarden | Spec: well I just formatted it and set it up. I guess it could have gone bad. mmm maybe have to rebuild it again dang it. |
| 20:12.55 | Spec | TheWarden: you could try running fsck.ext4 on it, i'm not sure what would cause bad geometry though. |
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| 20:13.27 | squisher | TheWarden, maybe you have one of those fake usb sticks which report 4G but only have 1G chips in them ;-) |
| 20:13.58 | TheWarden | Spec: mm okay... |
| 20:14.10 | TheWarden | squisher: I have 8GB sticks, Sandisk brand. |
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| 20:14.42 | Spec | TheWarden: fwiw, i usually use vfat on usb sticks unless i have a reason not to :p |
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| 20:15.02 | TheWarden | Spec: oh, well I suppose I could do that. |
| 20:15.05 | _2_jessica | Hi |
| 20:15.15 | prompt32 | somiaj, nothing happens this way, the boot proccess never reach this point, when i farce it through grub rescue commands, works just fine ! |
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| 20:15.29 | ske14 | If I install Jessie, must I reinstall once it becomes LTS? |
| 20:15.31 | TheWarden | Spec: I just figured it would only be used in linux so why not and before I was using ext3. |
| 20:15.54 | Spec | TheWarden: i'd try the fsck.ext4 first and see what it says |
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| 20:16.01 | somiaj | ske14: do you plan to stabalize with jessie or do you want to keep running testing? |
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| 20:16.35 | ske14 | somiaj: I would like to stabilize it. |
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| 20:17.08 | somiaj | ske14: make sure in your sources.list you use the word 'jessie' and do not use the word 'testing' |
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| 20:17.15 | TheWarden | Spec: mm didn't help. |
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| 20:17.26 | ske14 | somiaj: That is it? |
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| 20:17.36 | somiaj | ske14: if so as jessie freezes and then stabalizes you will keep running the jessie version and will not need to do anything except wait |
| 20:17.39 | somiaj | ske14: correct |
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| 20:18.03 | ske14 | somiaj: Does Jessie get the same security updates as Wheezy? |
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| 20:18.17 | somiaj | ske14: in general even if you did not want to stay with jessie when it becomes stable, still use 'jessie' over testing, the first few weeks of testing is very very bad |
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| 20:18.30 | somiaj | ske14: jessie recives no security updates right now (They filter in though sid and take a while) |
| 20:18.50 | nmschulte | I'm looking to resize a root (/) mounted ext4 file system (live resize); gparted doesn't seem to allow me to change the size (when run with gksudo), what else can I try? resize2fs safe? |
| 20:18.52 | somiaj | ske14: as jessie gets close to release the security team will set up then start providing security updates via secuirty.debian.org sources |
| 20:19.06 | ske14 | somiaj: I never understood that. Wheezy is more secure than Jessie then? |
| 20:19.13 | somiaj | ske14: way more secure |
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| 20:19.41 | somiaj | ske14: testing is mearly a preview of the next debain. Once this preview gets close to being released (and is frozen) security starts to support it |
| 20:19.46 | ske14 | somiaj: Do you personally use Wheezy for that reason? Or is Jessie just slightly insecure? |
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| 20:20.03 | somiaj | ske14: I personally run wheezy on my work laptop and sid (unstable) on my home desktop. |
| 20:20.04 | nmschulte | testing is still generally more stable than unstable (except for that brief transition period mentioned above). |
| 20:20.08 | nmschulte | and generally more secure, IMO. |
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| 20:20.24 | somiaj | testing is more stable, unstable gets faster fixes and this includes security9~ |
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| 20:20.33 | ske14 | somiaj: Would it be possible to install Wheezy and Jessi on the same computer? |
| 20:20.44 | nmschulte | I've been running unstable on nearly everything for a couple of years now (note, not of this is critical hardware, just personal workstations and other misc. servers). |
| 20:21.22 | somiaj | ske14: you can dual boot them just like any two oses, or run one in a virtual machine |
| 20:21.33 | ske14 | somiaj: Thank you. :) |
| 20:21.37 | somiaj | ske14: if you only want cli stuff from jessie you can build a jessie chroot inside of wheezy. |
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| 20:21.59 | nmschulte | somiaj: But, unstable also receives unchecked code: there is potential for unknown new security flaws to be introduced: these won't make their way to testing until much later, where there's a chance they'll be caught (and then you have security-updates to cover). |
| 20:22.00 | ske14 | somiaj: That's different from backporting? |
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| 20:22.42 | nmschulte | ske14: Backporting is when newer code (than when stable was "released") is packaged up to work with the dependencies on stable. |
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| 20:22.52 | nmschulte | So you get newer version of software, on the older stable release. |
| 20:23.08 | nmschulte | I think there are some caveats (like no security updates, or different guarantees?); not sure. |
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| 20:23.59 | somiaj | wheezy-backports gets some security updates, though this is left at the whim of the dev who backports it |
| 20:24.14 | somiaj | so yea anything you backport don't expect security support on |
| 20:24.51 | mattl | I just installed jessie via the testing GNOME ISO... I was offline at the time, and now I have network access configured and a mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list but yet apt-cache search emacs returns only one result, so I'm guessing its still under the assumption I have only local media to install from? |
| 20:25.15 | somiaj | !tell mattl about sources.list |
| 20:25.32 | somiaj | of course update the name to 'jessie' instead of 'wheezy', also no security repo for jessie |
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| 20:26.18 | mattl | somiaj: i uncommented the lines are were in there by default, let try a brand new file. |
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| 20:27.03 | somiaj | mattl: run apt-get update after you change the file |
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| 20:27.27 | mattl | yep. did that. one sec, trying a new file. |
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| 20:28.10 | mattl | somiaj: okay, i see the problem. i had jessie-updates and jessie-backports but no jessie. |
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| 20:32.10 | ScottSteiner- | how can i generate /var/lib/dpkg/status if it's been corrupted/deleted? |
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| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: there are backups, /var/lib/dpkg/status.old, and copies in /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
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| 20:36.26 | jelly-home | -old not .old, sorry |
| 20:36.31 | daemonkeeper | However, that file is not supposed to go corrupt unless someone edits it by hand ... |
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| 20:37.44 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: or dpkg changes how it works and starts complaining about stuff that did not bother it before |
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| 20:38.02 | ScottSteiner- | jelly-home: restored a backup from there and still no luck |
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| 20:38.32 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: no luck trying to do what, and failing with what result? |
| 20:38.38 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 20:38.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:38.41 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 20:38.47 | ScottSteiner- | http://pastie.org/pastes/9001615/text |
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| 20:39.09 | asterismo | hey people |
| 20:39.23 | ScottSteiner- | the depends line for that package appears to be valid |
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| 20:39.31 | asterismo | is there anyway to get chanserv and nickserv on ircd-hybrid in debian7? |
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| 20:40.11 | ScottSteiner- | http://pastie.org/pastes/9001619/text |
| 20:40.19 | ScottSteiner- | the package's entry^ |
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| 20:40.52 | ponyofdeath | hi, i have a local mirror with debmirror but I am not syncing the i386 stuff. Any ideas how i can via sources.list disable apt trying to get i386 packages? |
| 20:40.56 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: which debian release is this? |
| 20:40.58 | Metaleer | asterismo: I am guessing it's best to read the docs of the services package you're using, or consult their help channel/forum. I am guessing Anope, Epona, IRC Services, Atheme may have slightly different ways to install, and you'll have to configure your ircd differently. |
| 20:41.46 | ScottSteiner- | jelly-home: testing, installed on amd64 |
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| 20:42.02 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: it seems to be a mess of at least two separate packages. |
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| 20:43.09 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: line 11 seems to be missing two \n before "Package: libkrb5-26-heimdal" |
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| 20:45.06 | jelly-home | judd: depends libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 --release jessie --arch amd64 |
| 20:45.07 | judd | Package libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.32), libgstreamer1.0-0 (>= 1.2.0), liborc-0.4-0 (>= 1:0.4.18), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), iso-codes,multiarch-support. |
| 20:45.56 | jelly-home | ScottSteiner-: the entry for Package: libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 seems to have been cut in half. See if you can find a backup where it looks saner |
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| 21:06.15 | ice9 | installer requests this firmware "iwlwifi-135-5.ucode" but I can't find it on Ubuntu there is on ly iwlwifi-135-6.ucode |
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| 21:06.46 | mtn | ice9: us debian folk don't have it for ubuntu ;) |
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| 21:11.06 | asterismo | hi |
| 21:11.14 | vvor | hi |
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| 21:11.38 | asterismo | is it possible to install hybserv2 (available in Jessie) with an unmet dependency? |
| 21:11.44 | asterismo | in debian 7 wheezy? |
| 21:11.45 | asterismo | libc6 (>= 2.15) |
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| 21:11.57 | asterismo | wheezy has libc6 2.13 |
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| 21:12.10 | centrx | asterismo, Is there a backport for it in wheezy-backports? |
| 21:12.20 | asterismo | mmm |
| 21:12.32 | centrx | asterismo, I don't see any package called hybserv2 in any version of Debian? |
| 21:12.36 | asterismo | how can in check that without enabling backport sources? |
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| 21:12.57 | asterismo | http://pkgs.org/debian-jessie/debian-main-i386/hybserv_1.9.5-1_i386.deb.html |
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| 21:13.55 | centrx | asterismo, So it is actually called hybserv? |
| 21:14.00 | asterismo | hybserv2 is a rebuild of the unmantained package hybserv in previous debian versions |
| 21:14.06 | asterismo | i think |
| 21:14.07 | asterismo | yes |
| 21:14.09 | asterismo | sorry |
| 21:14.24 | asterismo | is it in the backports? |
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| 21:14.27 | centrx | hybserv2 is totally different from the link you gave |
| 21:14.39 | centrx | asterismo, Use packages.debian.org/hybserv |
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| 21:14.55 | centrx | asterismo, If it is not in backports, you can source-backport it yourself pretty easily |
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| 21:14.59 | centrx | dpkg: tell asterismo about ssb |
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| 21:16.38 | asterismo | so, centrx what you are telling me is that the package is not in the backports? but the source code is? |
| 21:16.47 | asterismo | so i have to build it? |
| 21:16.52 | asterismo | is that right? |
| 21:17.09 | centrx | The source code is in testing/unstable |
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| 21:17.40 | centrx | So build the package from there on your existing system |
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| 21:19.30 | asterismo | i'm running a server with debian 7 wheezy, do i have to add the backport line? is hybserv in the backports? or i just have to add the sid source line? |
| 21:19.49 | asterismo | but i have to add onlñy the deb-src line right? |
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| 21:20.10 | centrx | I don't see what the difficulty is. You have all the information in front of you. |
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| 21:20.48 | asterismo | yes |
| 21:20.56 | asterismo | but the libc6 dependency will be met? |
| 21:21.16 | asterismo | i mean, it appears to depend upon libc6 > 2.15 |
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| 21:21.22 | asterismo | so in wheezy i have 2.13 |
| 21:21.39 | centrx | That is a dependency of the already-built binary package. You are going to build a new binary package. |
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| 21:21.55 | centrx | Using the version of libc6 on your machine. |
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| 21:31.09 | ice9 | what is the equivalent command to ifconfig in debian? |
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| 21:31.17 | Brigo | ifconfig |
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| 21:31.38 | bertrik_ | you have to run it as root |
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| 21:32.16 | peterS | well, you don't really have to run it as root, but it isn't in the default user path |
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| 21:32.23 | peterS | to run it as non-root just give it a full path /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:32.48 | peterS | alternatively, learn the 'ip' tool, which gives the same info and more if you know what to ask it for. 'ip a' is the common use case. |
| 21:33.20 | bertrik | thanks, didn't know that |
| 21:34.00 | peterS | the other ip subcommands I use a lot are 'ip link' (some of the same info as 'ip a') and 'ip route' (much like 'route' or 'netstat -rn') |
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| 21:35.13 | doc-donkey | im trying to ssh myself, but i get a no route to host reply, can it be because i have two debian machine under different domain name ? |
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| 21:39.20 | jubo2 | Shukran, Shukran FLOSS devels |
| 21:39.34 | jubo2 | ar."shukran" == en."thanks" |
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| 21:40.15 | jubo2 | now I would like to bitch about KDE hanging and lagging on me with 80-90% of CPU idle and no SWAP in use |
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| 21:40.45 | haasn | How do I get openssl v1.0.1g on jessie? |
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| 21:41.45 | antiwire | hey guys, anyone in the house who knows a thing or two about Vservers running on Lenny? In this paste, I am trying to figure out why the person who configured this only put the drop rules in the output table. This interfaces file came from the Vserver host and there are a few Vservers on that host which have IPs in that 10.4.1.X subnet. http://pastebin.com/Vp6GQ09T |
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| 21:42.23 | centrx | haasn, Presumably 1.0.1g was uploaded to unstable today, or will be uploaded there soon |
| 21:42.47 | centrx | haasn, At that point, you can install the package from unstable, or wait two days or possibly less for it to be migrated to testing |
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| 21:44.12 | petern_ | 1.0.1f in sid still |
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| 21:45.20 | teraflop | heartbleed? |
| 21:45.22 | teraflop | uhm |
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| 21:46.45 | haasn | centrx: in the meantime, is it possible to build my own version of the package with OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS enabled? |
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| 21:47.52 | centrx | haasn, Yes, download the source with apt-get source, probably change the debian/rules file, then use dpkg-buildpackage/see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
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| 21:52.59 | Tagor | Could someone help me with installing ATI Radeon display drivers? I've been trying for hours without luck. I have a HD 8000 GPU and tried installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon and AMD catalyst (several versions including BETA). All I get after rebooting is a black screen. I'm using gnome 3, in XFCE it was working fine |
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| 21:54.07 | Tagor | I'm on Debian jessie |
| 21:55.49 | bdak | i have a phpbb issue, please if you know phpbb coding/style good. feel free to msg me |
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| 21:56.30 | bdak | i have a phpbb issue, if you know phpbb coding/style good. please feel free to msg me |
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| 21:57.09 | Tagor | bdak: this is debian not phpbb |
| 21:57.24 | bdak | Tagor i know i just say |
| 21:57.47 | bdak | because nobody answers in the phpbb channel :/ |
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| 22:10.06 | NetScr1be | I solved the annoying 'unable to load from CD-rom' error during the install from USB but.. |
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| 22:10.42 | NetScr1be | The package manager configuration failed so I have a (functional but) partially-installed system |
| 22:11.05 | NetScr1be | I have this crazy idea I can edit the install script |
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| 22:11.35 | NetScr1be | Anyone got any experience/wisdom on this? |
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| 22:17.40 | NetScr1be | I solved the annoying 'unable to load from CD-rom' error during the install from USB but.. |
| 22:17.48 | NetScr1be | The package manager configuration failed so I have a (functional but) partially-installed system ... |
| 22:17.59 | NetScr1be | I have this crazy idea I can edit the install script ... |
| 22:18.04 | NetScr1be | Anyone got any experience/wisdom on this? |
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| 22:24.55 | CygniX | I am getting the following cluebringer error upon statup " [CBPOLICYD] WARNING: Failed to connect to database: Error connecting to database: FATAL: the database system is starting up" and I when I check /etc/rc*.d i notice postfix and postfix-cluebringer are listed first |
| 22:25.23 | CygniX | could that be the reason, and if so, can I just rename the files? |
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| 22:26.08 | CygniX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.01 | vsoftoiletpaper | hello |
| 22:32.13 | vsoftoiletpaper | how do I check my version of openssl? |
| 22:32.28 | alloyed | apt-cache show openssl |
| 22:32.40 | civillian | 'openssl version' |
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| 22:34.01 | vsoftoiletpaper | Version: 1.0.1e-3 |
| 22:34.08 | vsoftoiletpaper | is it vulnerable? |
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| 22:35.15 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Are you actually on sparc64 unstable? |
| 22:35.27 | vsoftoiletpaper | no |
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| 22:35.31 | squisher | VsioZashibis, what distro are you using? |
| 22:35.35 | squisher | ^ sorry |
| 22:35.40 | squisher | vsoftoiletpaper, ^ |
| 22:35.42 | vsoftoiletpaper | OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 22:35.51 | vsoftoiletpaper | debian wheezy |
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| 22:36.14 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Why do you think you are on version 1.0.1e-3 ? |
| 22:36.19 | squisher | vsoftoiletpaper, then probably yes, what does 'dpkg -l openssl' say? |
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| 22:36.43 | vsoftoiletpaper | centrx tell me https://dpaste.de/gZJW |
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| 22:37.06 | vsoftoiletpaper | ii openssl 1.0.1e-3 armhf Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools |
| 22:37.11 | vsoftoiletpaper | squisher ^ |
| 22:37.28 | debianewbie | hi, I'm currently using xfce on debian 7 wheezy, but I think that there are no notifier for updates... I checked with synaptic and there are some upgrades available, but I have not seen no notify for the upgrade... With gnome desktop environment a notify will display when there is an upgrade... Isn't there something like that in xfce too? |
| 22:37.42 | cromag | os, is the openssl patched ? |
| 22:37.44 | cromag | so* |
| 22:37.57 | cromag | in stable that is |
| 22:38.12 | squisher | vsoftoiletpaper, that version doesn't show up in the official repositories... where did you install it from? |
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| 22:39.08 | vsoftoiletpaper | squisher I think I had my sources.list messed up once with sid repos |
| 22:40.03 | somiaj | that sounds like a way to mess things up, it could be a lot of work to undo the damage that causes too. |
| 22:40.03 | vsoftoiletpaper | sources.list: https://dpaste.de/5gHp |
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| 22:40.20 | debianewbie | noone uses xfce? |
| 22:40.37 | somiaj | debianewbie: many use xfce, but you should ask a real question |
| 22:40.49 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Could be from that last backports |
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| 22:40.58 | debianewbie | somiaj, sorry for my bad english |
| 22:41.02 | cromag | is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 patched towards the leak issue ? |
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| 22:41.30 | squisher | somiaj, he did |
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| 22:41.32 | somiaj | debianewbie: missed your original question, I am not aware of any such addon, but maybe goole can help. |
| 22:41.34 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Otherwise, you may want to "downgrade" to the openssl version in the official security.debian.org package |
| 22:41.56 | squisher | debianewbie, I'd just use the gnome notifier to be honest, I think that's what ubuntu does (/me checks) |
| 22:42.11 | vsoftoiletpaper | centrx is that secure? |
| 22:42.17 | debianewbie | squisher, I'm not using ubuntu |
| 22:42.24 | squisher | debianewbie, I know |
| 22:42.30 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Downgrades are not supported, but it should work fine. |
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| 22:42.46 | vsoftoiletpaper | centrx I mean, the version in security.debian.org |
| 22:42.48 | centrx | cromag, That's what the security advisory says. |
| 22:43.06 | squisher | debianewbie, I'd recommend update-notifier |
| 22:43.07 | cromag | centrx: debians advisory ? |
| 22:43.16 | debianewbie | but I tried to insall updates-manager-gnome and it doesn't do nothing |
| 22:43.18 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Yes, openssl is patched in Debian with a security update |
| 22:43.37 | vsoftoiletpaper | so how do I downgrade? |
| 22:43.39 | cromag | ah thanks |
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| 22:43.46 | somiaj | debianewbie: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=710565 -- seems it is a known issue, not sure if there is a known solution. |
| 22:43.48 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, The problem on your system is you have a "newer" version of openssl from somewhere, which would not naturally be overridden |
| 22:43.49 | cromag | i'll let cron-apt do the work then |
| 22:43.54 | julioh | Hi |
| 22:44.07 | centrx | vsoftoiletpaper, Probably use apt-get install --force or dpkg --force- or something |
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| 22:44.15 | cromag | are there some testing procedures using nmap or similar for this somehow ? |
| 22:44.22 | somiaj | someone in that bugreport said they had sucess getting to work in xfce, but I think as it stands in wheezy it might only work in gnome. |
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| 22:46.27 | squisher | somiaj, that bug doesn't seem to affect stable though |
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| 22:46.34 | somiaj | debianewbie: the package in debian is update-notifier but it seems to have some issue where it may only work in gnome. |
| 22:46.46 | debianewbie | somiaj, yes I think so |
| 22:46.53 | somiaj | ,v update-notifier |
| 22:46.54 | judd | Package: update-notifier on i386 -- squeeze: 0.99.3debian8; wheezy: 0.99.3debian11; sid: 0.99.3debian11+perrm2+nmu1; jessie: 3.10.1-1; sid: 3.10.1-1 |
| 22:47.08 | debianewbie | I tried to install update-manager-gnome and this install update-notifier |
| 22:47.29 | debianewbie | then I have an update manager in the system menu |
| 22:47.40 | debianewbie | but then I launch it... it crashes! |
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| 22:48.21 | somiaj | debianewbie: you want the update-notifier package. The dates are very close to the wheezy release, the wheezy package might just work. |
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| 22:49.02 | somiaj | debianewbie: you probabaly need to run gnome to get update-manager-gnome to work, I'd stick to the update-notifier package |
| 22:49.22 | debianewbie | now I try to install only update-notifier and see what happens... |
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| 22:51.18 | debianewbie | update-notifier depends from update-manager-gnome... :( |
| 22:51.46 | debianewbie | and I don't think I can install it without its dipendences... |
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| 22:54.37 | Paulseven | hello all |
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| 23:03.22 | subleq | i'm not getting the openssl fix with an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:03.32 | subleq | is there something else i have to do, or do mirrors take a while to update or something? |
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| 23:04.00 | ice9 | can anyone please paste the wheezy apt mirrors because I forgot to select them during installation |
| 23:04.25 | centrx | dpkg: tell subleq about security |
| 23:04.34 | centrx | dpkg: tell ice9 about sources |
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| 23:04.59 | subleq | centrx: isn't that in the default sources.list? |
| 23:05.19 | centrx | subleq, It should be, but have you checked? |
| 23:05.41 | asterismo | centrx, i managed to get build the hybserv in debian and installed it |
| 23:05.43 | centrx | subleq, Check the file, and are you using stable? |
| 23:05.47 | asterismo | but it is not working |
| 23:05.50 | subleq | centrx: i did, i have 'deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main' |
| 23:06.39 | centrx | subleq, Okay, if you are using testing/jessie it does not have the security update yet. |
| 23:07.01 | Paulseven | I must install apt-get install nvidia-glx , but I have error |
| 23:07.22 | centrx | subleq, https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 23:07.31 | centrx | Paulseven, What is the error? |
| 23:07.38 | ice9 | how to enable autocompletion in apt-get? |
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| 23:08.19 | Paulseven | centrx, I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: |
| 23:08.19 | Paulseven | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.19 | Paulseven | E: Impossibile correggere i problemi, ci sono pacchetti danneggiati bloccati |
| 23:08.56 | Paulseven | impossible correct problems, some packet are locket |
| 23:09.00 | debianewbie | Paulseven you have some blocked packets |
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| 23:09.23 | debianewbie | you could easly check them within synaptics |
| 23:09.57 | centrx | ice9, Auto-completion is probably part of bash, a bash rules file for apt somewhere |
| 23:09.58 | Paulseven | debianewbie, what mean block packets ? I must not use synaptic 'cause Xorg don't go |
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| 23:10.35 | ice9 | I installed Debian on along with Ubuntu sharing same home partition, theme is broken! |
| 23:10.45 | Paulseven | I'm connect from virtual console alt+ctrl+F1 |
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| 23:11.28 | peterrooney | ice9: that's going to burn you if different versions of programs share configuration locations but not configuration formats. |
| 23:12.06 | ice9 | peterrooney: so how can I have both ubuntu and debian? |
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| 23:13.44 | debianewbie | Paulseven, you could do something like: echo "package_name install" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
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| 23:13.52 | debianewbie | where package_name is the locked package |
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| 23:14.35 | subleq | centrx: got it, thanks |
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| 23:16.46 | peterrooney | ice9: either by not sharing /home or by expecting data corruption on a regular basis. or maybe by using different login names for each system. |
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| 23:25.45 | Paulseven | I try to repair it with the install dvd image |
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| 23:26.29 | Paulseven | I'm connect with a little netbook to the desktop with nvidia video card, thanks to all |
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| 23:43.19 | vsoftoiletpaper | centrx $ sudo apt-get install openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 23:43.32 | vsoftoiletpaper | apt-get seems to support this |
| 23:44.16 | vsoftoiletpaper | worked fine https://dpaste.de/wnNc |
| 23:45.26 | jubo2 | top and iotop showing no problems, still serious hanging og the KDE GUI |
| 23:45.41 | jubo2 | any ideas would be appreciated |
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| 23:46.03 | jubo2 | and thanks for the wonderful world of 'sudo aptitude install this that' |
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| 23:51.09 | jubo2 | In the age of Debian GNU/Linux, virtualization, up to cloud level the acquisition of small-scale computing resources is a walk in the park |
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| 23:52.51 | jubo2 | I pay 25€ / month for 4GB, 2 cores and 150GB |
| 23:53.36 | jubo2 | if it were not for Linuxen we'd all be paying minimum of 100€ / server in fees to M$FT |
| 23:54.06 | jubo2 | does the FLOSS dance |
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| 23:54.22 | jubo2 | Free, Libre and Open Source Software |
| 23:54.38 | debianewbie | I'm managed in someway to make the update-manager work in xfce |
| 23:54.50 | debianewbie | but... there are still problems |
| 23:55.02 | somiaj | debianewbie: woot! (: |
| 23:55.08 | jubo2 | you guys hear about that DIMM-formfactor Rasperry Pi system that can be interacted with with the DIMM pins ? |
| 23:55.13 | debianewbie | at first, /usr/bin/update-manager doesn't work if you don't "sudo" it |
| 23:55.23 | debianewbie | and this is very strange |
| 23:55.44 | wols_ | jubo2: this is a debian support channel, not a social channel. please respect that |
| 23:55.55 | debianewbie | because the update-manager should be launched by any user with administrative rights |
| 23:55.58 | somiaj | jubo2: #debian-offtopic (: |
| 23:56.07 | jubo2 | wols_: yeah.. sure can take it there |
| 23:56.46 | debianewbie | if you launch from the application menu, it doesn't do nothing, because you have not 'sudoed' it |
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| 23:57.06 | jubo2 | I gotta get that gdb installed so we can get to the core of this mysterious lagginess |
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| 23:58.12 | debianewbie | but the very very strange thing is that when you open the update-manager and click on "Settings"... You will see this funny phrase in the updates tab: "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version".... :D :D :D |
| 23:58.34 | somiaj | debianewbie: sudo is the standard way to give a user administrative rights, (: |
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| 23:58.53 | debianewbie | somiaj, update-manager should run without sudo |
| 23:59.05 | wols_ | only if it's suid root |
| 23:59.25 | somiaj | debianewbie: file a bug report. I would agree that a notifier shouldn't need root privlages to run, but an update-manager should have root privlages to run |
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| 23:59.46 | debianewbie | I didn't know that debian take some software from Ubuntu... |
| 23:59.51 | somiaj | the funny thing is probabaly because this package was adopted from ubuntu and wasn't completely cleaned up from that. |
| 23:59.53 | debianewbie | I thought it was the contrary |
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