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| 00:00.35 | somiaj | it works both ways, if someone produces a useful DSFG tool that debian suers will want a matianer may bring it into debian. Ubuntu does develop a lot of these gui managers |
| 00:00.56 | debianewbie | wols_, when I execute update-manager it ask me the password for the administrator and then crashes |
| 00:01.15 | debianewbie | instead, if I launch it with sudo it doesn't ask me passwords and works |
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| 00:01.40 | debianewbie | I should file a bug report |
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| 00:01.41 | somiaj | debianewbie: there is a lot of cross over now, developement in ubuntu for some of their tools can sometimes be taken and used in debian. |
| 00:02.04 | somiaj | debianewbie: it might be that these issues are fixed in the newer version, I would check current bugreports first. |
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| 00:02.26 | somiaj | ,v update-notifier |
| 00:02.28 | judd | Package: update-notifier on i386 -- squeeze: 0.99.3debian8; wheezy: 0.99.3debian11; sid: 0.99.3debian11+perrm2+nmu1; jessie: 3.10.1-1; sid: 3.10.1-1 |
| 00:02.52 | debianewbie | somiaj, I have to say I didn't expect this from a stable release... I mean: if some software is bugged, it shouldn't be there at all in the stable branch |
| 00:03.04 | debianewbie | for critical bugs, of course |
| 00:03.27 | somiaj | debianewbie: this just means there were no critial bugs filed against it during the time of the release. |
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| 00:04.01 | debianewbie | so, somiaj, no one tried to execute an update manager with xfce during all the testing phase of wheezy!? |
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| 00:04.22 | debianewbie | it's very strange... |
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| 00:05.30 | debianewbie | I mean: these are just the critical bugs I'm not expecting to have in a stable branch of debian... |
| 00:06.06 | debianewbie | maybe at that time, all the debian testers used gnome or kde... |
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| 00:07.00 | debianewbie | hey, it's 2 days that I use debian stable and I found already 2 bugs |
| 00:07.43 | somiaj | debianewbie: this is a piece of software designed to work with gnome, how is it a rc bug that it doesn't work with xfce? |
| 00:08.00 | somiaj | I thought I inked you a bugreport eariler of it not working with xfce |
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| 00:08.48 | debianewbie | somiaj, so how I'm supposed to do in xfce to have automatic updates checks? |
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| 00:09.16 | centrx | Use cron-apt |
| 00:09.24 | debianewbie | and why the system permits to me to install a package it is not meaned to use with xfce too? |
| 00:09.51 | somiaj | debianewbie: well it did pull in some gnome dependencies too didn't it? You can install both gnome and xfce just fine |
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| 00:10.51 | debianewbie | somiaj, actually, I wanted to install update-notifier, and it installed update-manager-gnome too |
| 00:11.08 | centrx | debianewbie, Have you found any information about why it crashes? |
| 00:11.08 | debianewbie | centrx, what's cron-apt? |
| 00:11.29 | centrx | debianewbie, apt-cache show cron-apt |
| 00:11.52 | debianewbie | centrx, I'm afraid not... The process terminates without tell me nothing... |
| 00:12.04 | debianewbie | it works only with sudo |
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| 00:12.25 | debianewbie | sudo /usr/bin/update-manager |
| 00:12.41 | debianewbie | ^^this appear to work... |
| 00:13.05 | zykotick9 | debianewbie: you should be using gksudo with gui apps... |
| 00:13.19 | centrx | debianewbie, Makes sense. Are you sure it's crashing, not silently exiting because it requires root? |
| 00:13.39 | debianewbie | without sudo, it ask me the password, then the process terminates. I don't know if it really crashes, but it closes without tell me nothing |
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| 00:14.27 | debianewbie | zykotick9, in the terminal sudo works... Maybe gksudo is for launchers from the gui? |
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| 00:15.22 | zykotick9 | debianewbie: using sudo with GUI apps can lead to issues with ownership that can break your user account... |
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| 00:16.35 | debianewbie | zykotick9, I didn't know... I do always sudo with all, and until now I had no problems... |
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| 00:20.23 | debianewbie | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=104161 |
| 00:20.38 | debianewbie | ^^^here there is someone that talks of my problem |
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| 00:22.42 | debianewbie | should I reboot my debian after installing update-notifier to check if it reports the update notifications? For now I don't see nothing in the tray bar... |
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| 00:23.12 | debianewbie | but if I launch update-manager it detect some updates |
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| 00:26.24 | crn | debianewbie, on my system running update-manager from a user command prompt exits with the message that it can't load x11 front end. This is because update-manager runs with root permission. |
| 00:27.15 | debianewbie | crn, from a terminal of xfce, to me it works with sudo and gksudo |
| 00:27.27 | bato | howdy |
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| 00:29.16 | crn | debianewbie, same here. |
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| 00:29.59 | debianewbie | crn, do you use xfce? |
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| 00:30.23 | crn | debianewbie, no. gnu. |
| 00:30.42 | debianewbie | do you mean gnome? |
| 00:30.56 | crn | debianewbie, yes. sorry. |
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| 00:31.24 | debianewbie | so, if you launch update-manager without sudo or gksudo what happens? |
| 00:31.39 | debianewbie | to me it ask a password, then closes without tell me nothing... |
| 00:32.29 | bato | sooo |
| 00:32.38 | bato | anyone REALLy good with cron-apt? |
| 00:32.40 | crn | debianewbie, sudo exports the environment to root. this lets root open an xwindow. |
| 00:33.21 | debianewbie | crn, but can you execute it without sudo or gksudo? I mean just: /usr/bin/update-manager |
| 00:33.26 | wols_ | !tell bato about anyone |
| 00:33.56 | crn | debianewbie, when you give it the password without exporting the environment it dies because root cant normally open an xwindow from a terminal. |
| 00:34.49 | crn | debianewbie, if i just run update-manager it automatically gets root permissions but dies. |
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| 00:35.28 | crn | debianewbie, with a message that it cant open the x11 front end. |
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| 00:35.44 | debianewbie | so maybe the gnome icon launcher of update-manager does a gksudo on it before launching? |
| 00:36.02 | centrx | That's probably it |
| 00:36.06 | debianewbie | I tried to mod the launcher of update-manager in xfce, and with gksudo it works from the menu too |
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| 00:36.46 | crn | debianewbie, i don't know. I think years ago i let it give some management utilitie root automatically. |
| 00:37.00 | crn | utilities |
| 00:37.59 | debianewbie | so is there a problem in the package installer that doesn't do the right things when it executes in an xfce environment? |
| 00:38.16 | debianewbie | I mean the package installer for update-manager |
| 00:38.27 | debianewbie | sorry, it's update-manager-gnome |
| 00:38.57 | xSmurf | say, when building a package I'd like to include a bash file of common functions for pre/postinst/etc... but when dpkg installs a pkg the pwd is / so doing '. ./common' doesn't work... how can I go around this?? |
| 00:39.02 | crn | debianewbie, i don't know. here it's update-manager too, |
| 00:39.03 | centrx | Whatever handles the menu should use gksudo in its menu entry |
| 00:39.39 | debianewbie | centrx, and it's not the case, because the xfce menu entry didn't have the gksudo prefix... |
| 00:39.47 | debianewbie | I had to add it manually |
| 00:39.50 | debianewbie | to make it work |
| 00:40.22 | crn | maybe xfce has another method of exporting the environment. |
| 00:40.48 | crn | that you enable separtely |
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| 00:41.28 | debianewbie | so, who makes the package, should check that the package works on every desktop environment you can install in debian stable |
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| 00:42.40 | crn | they probably do. but there are lots of ways to install in the different guis |
| 00:42.41 | dondelelcaro | debianewbie: while that would be nice, it would take so much time as to be prohibitive |
| 00:42.56 | dondelelcaro | debianewbie: Developers do test their packages, but they can't possibly test them in all environments |
| 00:43.51 | centrx | debianewbie, update-manager has been removed from unstable, so it probably just should have been removed earlier before the wheezy release |
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| 00:44.18 | debianewbie | dondelelcaro, you are right, but the mantainer of the package on the stable branch of debian should ensure that it works on the supported environments |
| 00:44.24 | crn | i believe it. it was simpler when there were only command line utilities |
| 00:44.38 | crn | just kidding |
| 00:45.31 | dondelelcaro | debianewbie: Debian supports dozens of DEs, and not every maintainer runs every DE, and often not on stable, either. |
| 00:45.50 | dondelelcaro | debianewbie: we rely heavily on users to do the testing for Debian |
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| 00:46.38 | rjsalts | dondelelcaro: not to mention, that not every bug will be considered severe enough to prevent a package from making it into stable |
| 00:47.07 | debianewbie | dondelelcaro, I think the main DE that debian stable supports are KDE, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE. |
| 00:47.14 | debianewbie | so they are not "dozens" |
| 00:47.26 | crn | rjsalts, right. |
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| 00:47.33 | debianewbie | maybe I missed someone |
| 00:47.43 | debianewbie | but I don't think they are so much |
| 00:47.43 | nmschulte | I ran resize2fs on my file system, but I lost the output file size and now I don't know what to resize the partition to. |
| 00:47.50 | nmschulte | How can I determine the file system size? |
| 00:47.54 | centrx | debianewbie, Those are only the desktop environments. There are many other window managers as well. |
| 00:48.24 | centrx | debianewbie, Also you can make the same argument about every architecture |
| 00:48.40 | debianewbie | centrx, ok, but usually you stick with the default window manager of the desktop environment |
| 00:48.45 | centrx | debianewbie, Then the maintainer needs to test every four desktop environments on twelve architectures |
| 00:48.46 | nmschulte | I am an idiot. |
| 00:48.50 | nmschulte | I hope you all realize that. |
| 00:48.53 | centrx | debianewbie, I don't use a desktop environment at all |
| 00:49.07 | nmschulte | turns out resize2fs will tell you (derp!) |
| 00:49.26 | centrx | debianewbie, openbox, fluxbox, blackbox, AfterStep, WindowMaker, i3wm, awesome, etc. |
| 00:50.14 | crn | centrx, you're my kinda user. |
| 00:50.36 | centrx | crn, I use them all at once too |
| 00:50.58 | bato | Okay, so here it goes |
| 00:51.02 | debianewbie | centrx, what's the window manager of xfce? |
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| 00:51.13 | nmschulte | xfwm |
| 00:51.16 | bato | I configured cron-apt to download and install security updates |
| 00:51.25 | bato | download/simulate works just fine |
| 00:51.33 | bato | upgrade returns a dpkg error |
| 00:51.46 | nmschulte | I like to use it with compiz though |
| 00:51.59 | bato | running the command from the cron-apt log in an interactive shell works (and install ONLY the security packages) |
| 00:52.02 | debianewbie | anyway, when you install debian, in the advanced options you could choice between 4 desktop environment if I remember well |
| 00:52.28 | nmschulte | Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE |
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| 00:52.36 | crn | centrx, pretty good. I used to run a couple and use alt-shift Fxx to swithch. |
| 00:52.44 | nmschulte | LXDE may be incorrect, but that's what I recall |
| 00:53.15 | debianewbie | so, there are only 4 window managers to check from the package mantainers |
| 00:53.29 | centrx | Those are just the ones in the installer |
| 00:53.31 | debianewbie | because they are the preferred choices |
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| 00:53.53 | debianewbie | so, at least for those ones, I think debian stable should be "stable" |
| 00:54.01 | debianewbie | :) |
| 00:54.03 | bato | So yeah, anyone has any idea why upgrade -y/dist-upgrade -y returns "dpkg: error: need an action option" ? |
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| 00:55.32 | ageis | can we get openssl patch in sid too? |
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| 01:01.38 | centrx | ageis, http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssl/news/20140407T215106Z.html |
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| 01:04.16 | ageis | centrx: ha thats just a few mins ago huh? |
| 01:04.28 | centrx | It's a different time zone |
| 01:04.32 | centrx | Looks like it was 3 hours ago |
| 01:04.44 | centrx | ageis, It takes time for mirrors to propagate, etc. |
| 01:05.30 | ageis | ah im not getting it from ftp.us.debian.org atm - still on 1.0.1f |
| 01:05.49 | ageis | is there a main server? |
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| 01:06.37 | ageis | will try ftp.debian.org |
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| 01:07.48 | debianewbie | Theretically, do you think is more stable ubuntu LTS, or debian stable? Are they the same thing (as for stability and security I mean)? |
| 01:08.24 | debianewbie | Does Ubuntu LTS derives from Debian Stable? |
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| 01:09.04 | dondelelcaro | debianewbie: no, from unstable. |
| 01:09.16 | debianewbie | the LTS too? |
| 01:09.58 | debianewbie | Ubuntu 12.04 LTS has old packages too... |
| 01:10.25 | debianewbie | maybe a little more recent than debian 7 stable packages |
| 01:10.41 | centrx | Ubuntu 12.04 is very old |
| 01:10.51 | centrx | about two years older than Debian stable |
| 01:11.08 | debianewbie | ah, maybe you are right, I don't remember well |
| 01:11.26 | centrx | Ubuntu LTS is much longer term, and there's nearly a new release this month or so |
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| 01:12.31 | debianewbie | I think Ubuntu LTS has a 3 years life cycle |
| 01:12.45 | debianewbie | the 12.04 is an exception, with 5 years |
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| 01:16.25 | centrx | I see |
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| 01:17.00 | debianewbie | what's the usual debian stable life cycle? |
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| 01:18.59 | crn | debianewbie, i think i ran one version for four years with updates. |
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| 01:19.37 | crn | debianewbie, but that was awhile ago. |
| 01:20.39 | centrx | debianewbie, Usually new stable release every ~2 years, and 1+ years support of oldstable after the new stable release |
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| 01:22.10 | debianewbie | ok thanks... |
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| 01:49.56 | debianewbie | hi, I restarted my debian machine after installing update-notifier (and its related update-manager-gnome dependency) and the update notify has appeared in the top left area of the screen with a ballon message too |
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| 01:50.48 | debianewbie | so, the update notification system works in XFCE too. It's only the update-manager that doesn't work if you launch it manually without gksudo |
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| 01:52.01 | debianewbie | but you can easly solve this by modding its command in its icon launcher (within XFCE is very easy to make this) by prefixing gksudo before /usr/bin/update-manager |
| 01:52.43 | debianewbie | thanks to all the guys here for your suggestions |
| 01:52.47 | debianewbie | I filed a bug report too |
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| 01:53.54 | centrx | Sounds good |
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| 01:54.44 | debianewbie | ah, another bug: if you want to make the updates from the little icon that it's appeared in the top bar on the right, the update manager will not launch... |
| 01:54.54 | debianewbie | the usual gksudo problem... |
| 01:54.56 | debianewbie | :) |
| 01:55.33 | debianewbie | it asks you the password, then it closes |
| 01:55.44 | dvs | ...then I get it! |
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| 01:57.10 | M4dH4TT3r | hello I am looking at adding a startup script (sh) in Debian 6. What is the directory? /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 01:57.45 | bato | it is init.d, yes |
| 01:57.53 | M4dH4TT3r | thanks |
| 01:57.57 | bato | don't forget to run update-rc.d as well |
| 01:58.00 | dvs | M4dH4TT3r: there is already an rc.local you can use. |
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| 02:03.30 | wakd | hi, re debian-live@lists.debian.org mailing list, I want to download its archive for local use but I can't find how, there seems to be only this web interface https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/ |
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| 02:04.11 | M4dH4TT3r | dvs that is what I will do but is ../../ how you go up directories? |
| 02:04.29 | dvs | yes |
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| 02:05.07 | BlaDe^ | Hi all |
| 02:05.30 | BlaDe^ | Any ideas why apt-get update would throw me this? W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 02:05.34 | BlaDe^ | it only recently started happening |
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| 02:05.48 | BlaDe^ | I tried the CA mirror also, no luck |
| 02:06.43 | centrx | BlaDe^, Maybe the mirror is in the middle of updating? (pointing to http.debian.net helps against this) |
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| 02:08.06 | wakd | ... all the gnu lists allow this, also many mailman archives have this enabled. So is it not possible to debian mailing list in mbox format anywhere? |
| 02:08.23 | M4dH4TT3r | im just trying to add "./usr/local/src/noip-2.1.9-1/debian.noip2.sh start" to rc.local so would I need to add ../../? and where in this file would i put it? |
| 02:08.26 | BlaDe^ | centrx: deb http://http.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free ? |
| 02:08.48 | centrx | BlaDe^, Yes |
| 02:08.55 | centrx | dpkg: tell wakd about mailing lists |
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| 02:09.25 | BlaDe^ | centrx: still the same, W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 02:09.38 | BlaDe^ | centrx: any way i can debug which hash is failing? |
| 02:10.41 | centrx | BlaDe^, I don't know. Top two search results look helpful: https://www.google.com/search?q=apt%20hash%20sum%20mismatch |
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| 02:10.52 | BlaDe^ | found those, there's 2 pages of people saying they have the issue but no solutions |
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| 02:11.13 | BlaDe^ | ah actually i was looking at: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=111572 |
| 02:12.00 | centrx | BlaDe^, Did you empty the lists directory/create the partial directory ? |
| 02:12.16 | M4dH4TT3r | most i can figure is after ". /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 02:12.23 | M4dH4TT3r | " |
| 02:13.03 | BlaDe^ | centrx: yep just tried that, no bueno :( |
| 02:13.13 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, My /etc/rc.local has basically nothing in it. Why can't you add it there? |
| 02:13.59 | BlaDe^ | centrx: http://shutter.io/img/xvvkz9/raw -- i also tried making the partial folder with 755 again, didn't help |
| 02:14.36 | M4dH4TT3r | centrx pastebin.com/qEdaCKdc does this look right to you? |
| 02:15.18 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, That looks like a complete init script, not something for rc.local |
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| 02:15.56 | M4dH4TT3r | i just added the line i mentioned the rest was already there |
| 02:16.01 | centrx | BlaDe^, It looks like you are using both squeeze, and unstable, and some third-party repositories? Could be related to that? |
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| 02:16.29 | BlaDe^ | centrx: http://pastie.org/private/6traonquvqagowb5tqsow |
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| 02:16.30 | BlaDe^ | don't think so |
| 02:16.41 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, Oh, don't touch that, that is /etc/init.d/rc.local which calls /etc/rc.local |
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| 02:17.16 | metrix | how do I re-generate private keys? |
| 02:18.50 | centrx | metrix, "re"-generate private keys? I thought they were generated with ad-hoc random data? |
| 02:19.22 | m0rd3cai | they cant be, you have to create new keypair |
| 02:19.46 | M4dH4TT3r | pastebin.com/jU3FRY5s |
| 02:20.05 | M4dH4TT3r | hows that look? |
| 02:20.34 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, Seems reasonable |
| 02:20.41 | M4dH4TT3r | and what execution bit do i need to change to enable this? |
| 02:20.51 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, I would tend to prefer setting up a real daemon with /etc/init.d and update-rc.d, but this will probably work fine |
| 02:20.57 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, You want the .sh script to have chmod a+x |
| 02:20.59 | metrix | I apologize, I meant create a new pair. For SSH this should be on the client side, right? not the server side? |
| 02:21.04 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, Otherwise, rc.local should work as is |
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| 02:23.06 | metrix | ping centrx |
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| 02:24.35 | wakd | centrx, thank you for the factoid. Unclear why it says "see <gmane>". Bug #161440 surprises me :( Cheers. |
| 02:25.24 | centrx | wakd, You can type gmane to dpkg and he will give you another factoid about gmane, that is what the brackets in <gmane> means |
| 02:25.43 | centrx | wakd, Looks like the mailing lists are mirrored at gmane, and gmane provides export functionality |
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| 02:25.50 | M4dH4TT3r | ok perfect I rebooted and tried to start it and says its already running |
| 02:25.52 | technoid_ | Sorry to ask if this has been covered, but where can I get info about the OpenSSL heartbleed issue and if/when it is fixed? |
| 02:26.03 | n2diy | does squeeze use the same kernal as wheezy? I just did a fresh install of squeeze, and then an upgrade to wheezy, and uname -a is identical between them? |
| 02:26.10 | M4dH4TT3r | thanks ya'll |
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| 02:27.04 | centrx | technoid_, Usually it would be on the list at the frontpage of www.debian.org but it looks like it hasn't been updated yet |
| 02:27.13 | centrx | technoid_, You can see the Debian security advisory at https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00071.html |
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| 02:27.30 | technoid_ | ty |
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| 02:27.31 | centrx | technoid_, (You can also subscribe to that mailing list for e-mail notification of security updates in the future) |
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| 02:27.45 | Samantha | Hello! |
| 02:27.48 | technoid_ | yeah, starting to ask myself why I wasn't already subscribed |
| 02:27.52 | centrx | n2diy, Kernel upgrade requires reboot |
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| 02:28.03 | metrix | https://www.debian.org/security/ <-- it's there |
| 02:28.12 | Samantha | Hello??? |
| 02:28.16 | Samantha | Am I really unwanted..? |
| 02:28.20 | centrx | !hi |
| 02:28.20 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
| 02:28.34 | Samantha | dpkg |
| 02:28.40 | Samantha | Can you please say hello? |
| 02:28.44 | centrx | dpkg: tell Samantha about hello |
| 02:29.00 | Samantha | Tell me about hello |
| 02:29.04 | Samantha | you fucking cocksucker |
| 02:29.08 | M4dH4TT3r | ok when I did a make install for this it had me enter some settings and pick some options however i need to change one of those options how do i run through them again? |
| 02:29.25 | BlaDe^ | centrx: yeah nothing is working from google :( my other servers are updating just fine on unstable |
| 02:29.32 | centrx | !ops troll/spam |
| 02:29.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_: centrx complains about: troll/spam |
| 02:29.34 | dvs | ???? |
| 02:30.03 | gosx | so out of curiosity, how long does it a package take to get from incoming.debian.org to the mirrors? |
| 02:30.06 | gosx | typically |
| 02:30.12 | M4dH4TT3r | ok when I did a make install for this it had me enter some settings and pick some options however i need to change one of those options how do i run through them again? |
| 02:30.14 | wakd | centrx, re "gmane provides export functionality": I was unaware, I found it, will try it. Thank you! |
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| 02:31.50 | n2diy | centra, shutdown -r now should do that, no? |
| 02:32.14 | centrx | M4dH4TT3r, You could run make install again. Otherwise, you can change what's already installed |
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| 02:34.58 | nullbyte_ | how to make a experimental sources.llist? |
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| 02:36.04 | M4dH4TT3r | centrx tried that but didnt work (forgot to stop process first duh...) working now |
| 02:36.13 | centrx | nullbyte_, Add a new line with the version name changed to experimental |
| 02:36.28 | centrx | n2diy, Did you reboot with shutdown -r ? |
| 02:36.43 | n2diy | centra, shutdown -r now should do that, no? |
| 02:37.05 | n2diy | so yes, I did. |
| 02:37.24 | nullbyte_ | yes i know and i got aways not found IP |
| 02:37.25 | nullbyte_ | err |
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| 02:37.36 | nullbyte_ | for sid and unstable also |
| 02:37.50 | dvs | ... |
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| 02:38.21 | centrx | gosx, I don't know, but it sounds like if it is not a new package, it is merely verified that it came from a Debian Developer by an FTP Master before it is moved to the repository |
| 02:38.34 | centrx | gosx, Then other mirrors may be on different schedules/have different bandwidth to get the update |
| 02:38.56 | centrx | n2diy, How did you go about the upgrade? |
| 02:39.22 | centrx | nullbyte_, Paste your sources.list with experimental to paste.debian.net |
| 02:39.58 | n2diy | followed the directions here: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-squeeze-to-wheezy |
| 02:40.04 | wakd | centrx, it works, thanks again. |
| 02:40.59 | centrx | n2diy, What does uname -a say now in wheezy? |
| 02:41.04 | centrx | n2diy, Maybe you had a backported kernel in squeeze |
| 02:41.14 | centrx | ,kernels |
| 02:41.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-rc7-686-pae (3.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 02:42.16 | n2diy | centrx, Linux deb 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 23:00:18 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:43.11 | nullbyte_ | centrx: sorry I mean unstable, http://paste.debian.net/92351/ |
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| 02:44.05 | M4dH4TT3r | awesome working right now |
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| 02:44.33 | M4dH4TT3r | smoke than LAMP install ... |
| 02:44.45 | Bage1s | hi all. anyone know when openssl will be updated on apt? |
| 02:44.50 | centrx | n2diy, What packages are outputted if you run: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 02:44.50 | n2diy | centrx, could be on the backport, this is only my second Debian install, after years with Xubuntu, I'm just curious if the upgrade was successful, not in troubleshooting yet. |
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| 02:45.16 | centrx | n2diy, On vanilla wheezy you should be running kernel 3.2.54 |
| 02:45.44 | centrx | Bage1s, It is updated in stable, and it is already uploaded in unstable, so should be fairly quick in unstable. |
| 02:45.56 | Bage1s | centrx: thanks! |
| 02:46.28 | n2diy | centrx, ok, that's what I needed to know, thanks. |
| 02:46.29 | centrx | n2diy, If your sources.list is correct, and you run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade and let it finish, then you should be all upgraded. |
| 02:46.57 | centrx | n2diy, Possibly the new kernel package needs to be manually installed, possibly based on your old installation being in a certain state at the time you upgraded. |
| 02:47.54 | nullbyte_ | centrx: what can u tell |
| 02:48.21 | n2diy | centrx, I ran those commands one at a time, and had some odd results with the last two. Seemed like I was dumped into vi or nano, with a message about /tmp in the lower left of the screen, and I ctrl-c out of them. But no worries, I'll proceed with squeeze for now, thanks. |
| 02:48.28 | centrx | nullbyte_, I can tell that sources.list does not have the word "experimental" anywhere in it? :) |
| 02:48.58 | centrx | n2diy, Oh, well if you had some odd results you might want to see what they were. You could be in a half-upgraded broken state? |
| 02:49.09 | nullbyte_ | centrx: I mean i need unstable |
| 02:49.47 | n2diy | centrx, ok, then I'll re-install squeeze, this is a virgin install, nothing at risk except my time. |
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| 02:51.21 | centrx | nullbyte_, I don't understand |
| 02:51.38 | centrx | n2diy, Why not just install wheezy to start with? |
| 02:52.34 | n2diy | centrx, speaking of re-installing squeeze, I didn't have the option to select packages during the install, but I suspect that's because of the image I have on CD? Debian Live 6.05 Standard Squeeze? |
| 02:53.08 | wols | you can use tasksel to install tasks. no specific packages tho |
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| 02:53.24 | centrx | n2diy, I'm not sure about the Live installer, presumably it should ask you about packages to install (tasksel that is) |
| 02:53.57 | wols | live installer is simply a netinst basically IIRC |
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| 02:54.28 | n2diy | centrx, wols, ok, let me play, it is a test box, so I'm just learning as I go, thanks. |
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| 02:55.01 | wols | n2diy: get a debian wheezy live cd and install from that if you must. don't install squeeze |
| 02:55.53 | centrx | If you really want to play, install slink and try to upgrade all the way from slink to unstable |
| 02:57.27 | shingouz | centrx: doesn't that border on cruel? :p |
| 02:57.53 | wols | it builds characer |
| 02:57.55 | wols | +t |
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| 03:02.54 | ryonaloli | so... why isn't debian patched yet? |
| 03:03.09 | ryonaloli | gentoo did it hours ago :/ |
| 03:03.53 | wols | debian is too. https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 03:04.42 | ryonaloli | will the debian website and the debian repos (do they use tls?) revoke their private key and make a new one? |
| 03:05.19 | davros_ | I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I'm still on openssl 1.0.1e |
| 03:05.52 | themill | davros_: that's not the package version. |
| 03:06.22 | davros_ | themill: huh? |
| 03:06.40 | centrx | davros_, Debian backports security updates for most packages, not upgrading the entire version |
| 03:07.07 | themill | davros_: the package version is not 1.0.1e. It would be worth reading the DSA. |
| 03:07.30 | themill | 1.0.1e ≠ 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 03:09.00 | ryonaloli | themill: is that version safe against the bug? |
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| 03:09.43 | centrx | ryonaloli, https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00071.html |
| 03:10.02 | ryonaloli | sweet |
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| 03:11.51 | Bage1s | ryonaloli: I'm waiting too -_- |
| 03:12.57 | ryonaloli | Bage1s: wait, it isn't? idk what's happening |
| 03:13.20 | Bage1s | well, for me, openssl isn't updating with apt-get update / upgrade |
| 03:13.35 | davros_ | Sorry, I'm not very knowledgeable about linux - `openssl version` yields `OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013` - so is this version safe or not? |
| 03:13.38 | ryonaloli | mine upgraded but only to 1.0.1e (hopefully it's hte patched version) |
| 03:13.47 | Bage1s | davros_ it's not |
| 03:13.51 | ryonaloli | davros_: as themill said before it's not |
| 03:13.52 | themill | how about checking the package version |
| 03:14.09 | themill | you know, rather than guessing or wildly speculating... |
| 03:14.16 | centrx | dpkg -l openssl |
| 03:14.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching openssl |
| 03:14.36 | themill | libssl1.0.0 |
| 03:14.39 | davros_ | 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 03:15.22 | Bage1s | pretty sure you need 1.0.1g |
| 03:15.31 | themill | no. read the DSA. |
| 03:15.42 | Bage1s | my source: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt |
| 03:15.46 | themill | https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896 |
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| 03:16.15 | wols | Bage1s: these security advices are irrelevant for debian stable. security fixes are backported |
| 03:16.31 | wols | so you can't never check with upstream if your debian stable is secure |
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| 03:17.43 | centrx | Bage1s, The new version is in unstable now, may need to wait for your mirror to get it |
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| 03:17.57 | ryonaloli | ok my upgrade was 1.0.1e-2+deb7ue |
| 03:18.02 | ryonaloli | s/ue/u5 |
| 03:18.05 | atannus | Hi. I just ran an upgrade (Jessie). When I drag a window through the desktop it leaves a ghost-trail (à lá Win 3.11). Is the nvidia driver to blame? |
| 03:19.26 | Bage1s | centrx: so, sid only atm? |
| 03:19.41 | Bage1s | apologizes |
| 03:20.05 | centrx | Bage1s, What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 03:21.07 | Bage1s | centrx: 7.4 |
| 03:21.17 | wols | Bage1s: read the link themill pasted. there you see what versions of openssl you need |
| 03:21.28 | centrx | Bage1s, Okay, the security update for 7.4 has been available for hours |
| 03:21.40 | centrx | dpkg: tell Bage1s about security |
| 03:21.55 | wols | and for debian stable 7.4 it's 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
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| 03:22.14 | wols | Bage1s: you do not need, nor can you get 1.0.1g |
| 03:22.40 | ryonaloli | is 1.0.1f-1 vuln? |
| 03:22.43 | Bage1s | centrx: have it, thanks! :) |
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| 03:22.51 | wols | ryonaloli: yes |
| 03:23.08 | Bage1s | wols: I have "OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013" |
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| 03:23.11 | ryonaloli | hm, nothing dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade to that |
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| 03:23.24 | Bage1s | so, anything e is fine? |
| 03:23.28 | tempspace | Trying to figure out why I'm still vulnerable...installed 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 and restarted nginx and it still looks like I'm vulnerable |
| 03:23.37 | centrx | Bage1s, No, look at the package version you have installed: dpkg -l openssl |
| 03:23.37 | wols | Bage1s: check your debian package versin with dpkg -l, do not use the internal openssl version number |
| 03:23.40 | tempspace | wonder if nginx needs to be recompiled |
| 03:23.47 | wols | Bage1s: dpkg -l openssl|tail -1 |
| 03:23.49 | centrx | Bage1s, If it matches the version from the security update, then you are patched |
| 03:23.58 | centrx | s/update/advisory |
| 03:24.14 | Bage1s | cool, looks good |
| 03:24.16 | Bage1s | centrx++ |
| 03:24.17 | Bage1s | wols++ |
| 03:24.31 | davros_ | centrx && themill: thanks for the help, looks like I'm safe. |
| 03:24.37 | Bage1s | appreciate it, fellas. |
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| 03:25.06 | tempspace | On the latest systems openssl, will openssl version -a show the no heartbeat flag? |
| 03:25.18 | okee | where is mupdf located at? I want to use a different pdf reader than Ocular, for reading pdf in line in IceApe (Seamonkey Browser). |
| 03:25.43 | wols | okee: dpkg -L mupdf |grep bin/mupdf ? |
| 03:27.03 | tempspace | anybody know? |
| 03:27.19 | wols | my 1.0.1f doesn't show it |
| 03:27.43 | wols | ah, "openssl:Error: '-a' is an invalid command." |
| 03:27.59 | wols | tempspace: however, all debian branches are vulnerable. which is why there is a security advisory |
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| 03:28.31 | tempspace | wols: Right, but if I upgraded to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5, it should be resolved, right? |
| 03:28.33 | civillian | wols: aparently not oldstable |
| 03:28.43 | wols | ok, true that :) |
| 03:29.09 | wols | tempspace: yes. please read the advisories: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 03:29.09 | civillian | wols: memories of sarge saving me from the weak key bug :) |
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| 03:29.37 | hemite | I'm trying to use pbbuttonsd but service status pbbuttonsd says this is not a recognized daemon |
| 03:29.46 | tempspace | wols: I did |
| 03:30.58 | tempspace | I'm saying I've installed the latest advisory, but I can't tell for sure if the issue is fixed |
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| 03:34.35 | zh1 | how can i upgrade debian 7.4 to gnome 3.12? |
| 03:34.55 | tempspace | and it says it was "built on: Mon Mar 18 20:41:20 CET 2013" |
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| 03:35.13 | n2diy | I'm lost. I installed Squeeze on a laptop a friend gave me, no problems, but, no Xwindows. I just installed XFCE4, but startx results in command not found, did I miss something? |
| 03:35.35 | themill | tempspace: "it" |
| 03:35.45 | tempspace | 'openssl version -a' |
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| 03:36.11 | themill | tempspace: which version of the openssl package do you have installed? |
| 03:36.27 | tempspace | 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
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| 03:37.44 | centrx | tempspace, Then you are patched |
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| 03:39.33 | davros_ | on HN, someone commented, "Some apps have OpenSSL statically compiled into the binaries. Beware that what you think is fixed may not be." Can anyone comment on this? |
| 03:40.02 | zh1 | n2diy, u want really squeeze or last version wheezy? |
| 03:40.25 | wols | davros_: yes, statically compiled binaries will not be fixed by the openssl package update |
| 03:40.55 | wols | n2diy: what videocard is in this laptop and have you installed xorg? |
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| 03:41.35 | tempspace | centrx: I don't appear to be...I wonder if nginx needs to be rebuilt |
| 03:41.51 | n2diy | zhl, squeeze is all I have available at the moment, I'll upgrade later, thanks. |
| 03:42.01 | zh1 | n2diy, suggest you start a new install with right iso file and wm |
| 03:42.06 | centrx | tempspace, Maybe restart nginx? |
| 03:42.13 | tempspace | I did |
| 03:42.22 | n2diy | wols, not sure on the card, but I haven't installed xorg. |
| 03:42.22 | centrx | tempspace, Or nginx could have openssl compiled in, but I doubt it |
| 03:42.33 | centrx | tempspace, dpkg -l openssl actually outputs 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 as the version number? |
| 03:42.34 | wols | n2diy: you need to however |
| 03:42.43 | tempspace | centrx: yes |
| 03:42.49 | n2diy | zhl, no blank CD's here so have to play with what I have. |
| 03:42.54 | wols | centrx: if it did, there'd have to be a security advisory about it too |
| 03:42.59 | centrx | Yeah, exactly |
| 03:43.05 | n2diy | Installing xorg. |
| 03:43.18 | wols | tempspace: check yourself by running ldd on the nginx binaries |
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| 03:44.41 | zh1 | n2diy, you want xfce? |
| 03:44.45 | tempspace | wols: looks like it's linked |
| 03:45.37 | wols | tempspace: it obviously is. statically or dynamically? |
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| 03:46.13 | tempspace | wols: not sure, never used this before, libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f8884091000) |
| 03:46.35 | tempspace | wols: I'm assuming that's dynamic |
| 03:47.02 | n2diy | zhl, yes, I want xfce. |
| 03:47.42 | wols | n2diy: please start by installing wheezy directly |
| 03:47.45 | zh1 | n2diy, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install xorg xfce4 |
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| 03:48.19 | tempspace | I'm wondering how the issue was fixed, if they fixed the underlying problem or compiled it with OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS |
| 03:48.22 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> openssl: /msg dpkg dsa2896 | wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.4 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 03:48.37 | n2diy | wols, zhl, I don't want wheezy now, I want to get squeeze working, then I'll worry about upgrading. |
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| 03:49.09 | n2diy | zhl, i've tried that, no joy. |
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| 03:49.19 | n2diy | All I want to do is get X working. |
| 03:49.19 | zh1 | startx? |
| 03:49.38 | wols | n2diy: dpkg -l xorg | tail -1 |
| 03:49.40 | n2diy | zhl, command not found. |
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| 03:51.00 | okee | wols> Your suggested command for dpkg didn't do anything. |
| 03:51.05 | okee | dpkg -L mupdf |
| 03:51.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching mupdf |
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| 03:51.11 | leirbag_ | Hi, could anyone tell me a name channel for visual studio devs? |
| 03:51.24 | n2diy | wols, comand not found! tail isn't even installed? |
| 03:51.24 | okee | dpkg can't find anything for mupdf. |
| 03:51.25 | dpkg | okee: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:51.37 | zh1 | n2diy, did you install any window manager previosly? |
| 03:51.47 | centrx | leirbag_, Try #programming -- #windows-server -- #c -- #csharp -- or whatever the language name is |
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| 03:52.05 | leirbag_ | Thanks centrx |
| 03:52.19 | n2diy | zhl, no window manger gdm, xdm, xdm, virgin install, at the command prompt. |
| 03:52.32 | okee | dpkg Mupdf is a pdf reader. |
| 03:52.32 | dpkg | okay, okee |
| 03:52.58 | okee | /usr/bin/mupdf /usr/bin/X11/mupdf /usr/share/man/man1/mupdf.1.gz |
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| 03:53.03 | n2diy | Could 512m of ram be my problem? |
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| 03:53.40 | okee | what is the command for setting the pointer in the browser, so that a pdf can be read in the browser, using IceApe (Seamonkey), or IceWeasel (Firefox). |
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| 03:54.34 | centrx | n2diy, 512 is plenty |
| 03:55.21 | centrx | okee, That is usually called a MIME handler. I think there are some related packages for that. |
| 03:55.34 | centrx | okee, It could also just be a setting inside the particular app. That's a common thing |
| 03:55.47 | okee | yes there are, but windows stole my childhood, so I am playing a guessing game. |
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| 03:57.29 | okee | One of the things that would help me would be to find a pdf reader that allows me to copy text with the mouse. Looks like Ocular and MuPDF reader don't do this. This is a nice feature that is available in Windows. i think xournal allows this, but Xournal has issues. |
| 03:57.40 | okee | I was able to get MuPDF reader to open the file. |
| 03:58.36 | zh1 | okee cant you select text on pdf? |
| 03:58.52 | DHowett | silly question - is it possible to use both SLAAC and DHCPv6 on an ipv6 interface? w.r.t. /etc/network/interfaces, that is. |
| 03:59.16 | okee | zh1> Doesn't look like it. How would you recommend doing this? What programs do you use? Not all Linux pdf readers allow this. |
| 03:59.45 | zh1 | i just do a ctrl+c |
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| 04:00.17 | zh1 | or document viewer |
| 04:00.19 | peterrooney | okee: evince pdf reader |
| 04:01.18 | somiaj | DHowett: If you can do it from the command line you can set it up with the interfaces file |
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| 04:01.35 | somiaj | DHowett: note the solution could be use post/pre up/down scripts set in the interfaces file |
| 04:01.41 | zh1 | okee what window manager u have? |
| 04:01.59 | okee | Evince appers to select the text, but it completely blacks it out when it does this and you can't see a thing. How do I get rid of the blackout? |
| 04:02.20 | leirbag_ | in MS irc all the programmers wants money |
| 04:02.24 | okee | zh1> I am not sure. Xterm? |
| 04:02.32 | DHowett | somiaj: great; thanks! |
| 04:03.02 | zh1 | send a printscreen :) |
| 04:05.08 | zh1 | okee, http://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-reader/?license=free&platform=linux |
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| 04:06.24 | rryoumaa | okee: here too |
| 04:06.41 | zh1 | n2diy, do a apt-get install gdm too |
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| 04:07.32 | okee | evince will let you copy the document, as long as you don't mind the black highlighting. |
| 04:07.38 | okee | So it looks like it is Evince. |
| 04:07.55 | okee | There is something to be said for Chrome and Firefox, since you can read the document in the browser. |
| 04:09.04 | n2diy | zhl, gdm has no installation candidiate? |
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| 04:10.33 | wols | n2diy: then your sources.list is broken |
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| 04:10.42 | wols | or it's gdm3 that is the package name |
| 04:11.32 | deoxxa | i'm running jessie, and https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896 says that i should upgrade openssl to 1.0.1g-1, but that doesn't appear to exist anywhere yet. what should i do? |
| 04:11.54 | somiaj | deoxxa: since I just answered this, one suggestion is to install the version from sid |
| 04:12.12 | wols | somiaj: it's not in sid either :) |
| 04:12.20 | deoxxa | apologies, i wasn't in the channel at that point |
| 04:12.20 | somiaj | deoxxa: testing will not recive an update until this package filters though sid. At this moment installing these packages from sid on testing should be just fine. |
| 04:12.47 | wols | somiaj: can you link me to the file in sid? |
| 04:12.53 | deoxxa | should it not be in the debian-security repositories immediately? |
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| 04:13.22 | zh1 | n2diy, dont install gdm sorry i forgot it was xfce |
| 04:13.23 | n2diy | wols, ah yes!!! they are still set to wheezy, have to reset them to squeeze!!!!! |
| 04:13.32 | n2diy | thanks |
| 04:13.42 | somiaj | deoxxa: that is for wheezy and squeeze, testing/unstable get fixed the normal way by packages flowing into sid |
| 04:13.54 | wols | deoxxa: testing and unstable don't really have security repos. and in debian stable it's already available in the security repo. has been for hours |
| 04:14.07 | somiaj | wols: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openssl -- hmm, that says it has been built for some arches, but doesn't look like my mirror has it |
| 04:14.16 | deoxxa | noted |
| 04:14.20 | wols | somiaj: neither does mine :( |
| 04:14.25 | n2diy | zhl, xdm for xfce4 righ? |
| 04:14.30 | n2diy | right? |
| 04:14.48 | wols | somiaj: erm, the version needed is 1.0.1g. no arch has it so far |
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| 04:14.55 | centrx | deoxxa, In testing/jessie, you either need to wait up possibly two days for the fix to migrate from unstable to testing |
| 04:14.59 | somiaj | deoxxa: yea fixes for sid get uploaded the normal way. The package was uploadd but it still has to be built for all arches and then spread across the mirrors in the normal way all packages get added to sid. |
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| 04:15.22 | centrx | deoxxa, You could also potentially update openssl with the package in unstable |
| 04:15.46 | deoxxa | yep, that's what i've just done |
| 04:16.10 | deoxxa | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1g-1_amd64.deb this link is live - most of the mirrors are yet to have it |
| 04:16.20 | somiaj | deoxxa: make sure you have the correct version, as wols said some mirrors do not have it yet |
| 04:16.24 | deoxxa | yep |
| 04:16.28 | somiaj | wols: https://packages.debian.org/sid/openssl -- some have it |
| 04:16.41 | deoxxa | that's what i just noted :) |
| 04:17.21 | wols | somiaj: none do |
| 04:17.55 | somiaj | wols: on that page I see about 2/3 of the arches in the download section have 1.0.1g-1 as the version. |
| 04:18.13 | centrx | mirrors != archs |
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| 04:18.49 | wols | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/4iMheUo.jpg I don't |
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| 04:19.28 | deoxxa | wols: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1g-1_amd64.deb |
| 04:19.41 | deoxxa | (if you're looking for amd64) |
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| 04:20.20 | somiaj | wols: crazy, (: |
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| 04:21.17 | wols | ah, apt-get update downloads indexes again. maybe now it has propagated :) |
| 04:21.41 | wols | The following packages will be upgraded: openssl |
| 04:21.44 | Rusty1 | openssl: |
| 04:21.46 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.46 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.46 | wols | yay :) |
| 04:22.06 | somiaj | is this bug that bad, the ssl bug two days ago didn't get nearly this attention. |
| 04:23.01 | wols | reading out all process memory, 64kB at a time is really really bad. cause it can compromise your private keys |
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| 04:23.21 | deoxxa | somiaj: oh my yes, it's pretty much the end of the world as far as information leaks go |
| 04:23.27 | tempspace | I figured it out, apparently you don't just need to update openssl |
| 04:23.36 | tempspace | you need to update libssl1.0.0 as well |
| 04:24.26 | tempspace | no longer vulnerable once I installed the latest libssl1.0.0 and restarted nginx |
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| 04:28.15 | centrx | Binary: openssl, libssl1.0.0, libcrypto1.0.0-udeb, libssl-dev, libssl-doc, libssl1.0.0-dbg |
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| 04:50.24 | n2diy | reinstalling squeeze, messed up my sources list, or something? |
| 04:50.42 | somiaj | n2diy: if you are going to reinstall why not get wheezy? |
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| 04:52.47 | centrx | He's playing funtime |
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| 04:59.52 | scoofy | hello. anyone know how to install apache apxs? |
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| 05:01.52 | centrx | scoofy, apt-cache search apache apxs |
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| 05:05.20 | scoofy | and what to do if 'apt-cache search apxs' returns nothing |
| 05:06.24 | centrx | scoofy, On my system apxs2 is in apache2-dev, but I am running testing/jessie |
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| 05:07.36 | wols | scoofy: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=apxs&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 05:07.45 | scoofy | i installed apache2-threaded-dev, no change |
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| 05:08.56 | scoofy | hm, no, it actually installed with apache2-threaded-dev |
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| 05:11.06 | centrx | !bravo |
| 05:11.07 | dpkg | it has been said that bravo is italian word for good |
| 05:11.37 | scoofy | thanks |
| 05:12.40 | somiaj | scoofy: you can use apt-file to search for packages based on information of the files inside (or find out info about the files inside) |
| 05:13.36 | scoofy | good to know. |
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| 05:39.46 | tMH | hello everyone. |
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| 05:41.18 | tMH | ppl, I want to ask some q. 1 hour ago I made mistake, copy + pasted script path/scriptname into this scriptname. did run this one from root and encountered that system started to kill every process because of running the script in cycle. |
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| 05:41.52 | tMH | the question is - why system did not kill this script ps istead of killing almost every process running? |
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| 05:42.52 | centrx | tMH, You say this happened because of copying and pasting "script path/scriptname into this scriptname"? What does that mean |
| 05:43.00 | wols | since we don't know what your script did and why processes were killed, we cannot say |
| 05:43.07 | centrx | tMH, If you run something from root you have complete power over the system |
| 05:43.59 | tMH | centrx - it does mean this: /root/myscript.sh that contains /root/myscript.sh. |
| 05:44.18 | tMH | i.e., cycled run to be.. |
| 05:44.33 | tMH | wols: just re-run itself in cycle... |
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| 05:44.54 | wols | tMH: unless you tell us what the script actually does, we cannot help you |
| 05:46.06 | tMH | wols - man. it was supposed to run something else but instead copy&paste did not work well so I pasted /root/myscript.sh into this script.. once again, /root/myscript.sh contain just one string - /root/myscript.sh |
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| 05:47.03 | tMH | just interesting, can system be smart enough to kill cycled pses instead of killing apache, postgresql etc.. |
| 05:47.15 | rozie | tMH: read about oom (out of memory) killer and it's algorithm |
| 05:48.42 | tMH | rozie - thanks!:) |
| 05:48.45 | rozie | tMH: https://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
| 05:49.07 | rryoumaa | it always seemed to want to kill all the useful gui apps before it would kill the process that was taking up all the memory :) |
| 05:49.22 | tMH | seems like... |
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| 05:51.03 | tkl2 | Hi there |
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| 05:53.37 | M4dH4TT3r | upon trying some commands I am getting "unable to resolve host PHX1.340" |
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| 05:55.39 | tMH | ok, thanks everyone, be well |
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| 05:56.16 | rozie | algo is explained. gui apps are usualy non-root, so more likely to be killed |
| 05:57.01 | M4dH4TT3r | anyone knoow what this issue is? |
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| 05:57.14 | digdilem | oomkiller's algorithms to pick the app to kill are carefully chosen and expertly crafted to kill exactly the wrong process 94% of the time. |
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| 05:59.11 | n2diy | Hey got X and GDM3 working with XFCE4! Life is good! But... I installed Synaptic with apt-get, and it won't open from the menu>system>synaptic, I suspect a permission problem? |
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| 06:00.38 | M4dH4TT3r | like i was able to install openvpn but when i tried to "./vars" I got that error |
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| 06:01.09 | tkl2 | Hello guys |
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| 06:01.29 | M4dH4TT3r | hello |
| 06:01.32 | tkl2 | i want to integrate a patch into a Debian package. I have the patch and want to create the .deb file |
| 06:01.37 | M4dH4TT3r | bbl food |
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| 06:01.50 | tkl2 | is it enough to put the patch into /debian/patches??? |
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| 06:02.21 | centrx | tkl2, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
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| 06:03.38 | tkl2 | centrx: I read this, but didn´t find the answer |
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| 06:05.29 | centrx | tkl2, There might be something in https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html |
| 06:05.37 | centrx | tkl2, Otherwise, try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 06:08.28 | hyper_ch | good morning, what exactely is the EFI boot partition? |
| 06:08.53 | omi | 511 |
| 06:09.00 | omi | er |
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| 06:12.39 | centrx | hyper_ch, It is a crazy scheme to hook your OS into the BIOS |
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| 06:13.36 | hyper_ch | centrx: well, I setup a new server with 3 drives in raid one.... all but that efi boot partition I could setup in according raids... but if sda fails now, I can't boot from sdb.... is it sufficient to just dd the efi boot partition from sda to sdb and sdc? |
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| 06:24.43 | n2diy | Ok, now I'm annoyed. This box, my desktop, will open Synaptic from the XFCE menu, and prompt me for password, buy on my new box, I can't figure out how do get that to work? This desktop is 18 months old, and by install notes are vaporware. Any idea how I setup synaptic to launch from a users login? |
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| 06:25.38 | n2diy | Never mind, too many typos, time to sleep and try again in the morning, good night. |
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| 06:35.29 | hyper_ch | n2diy: I don't understand where the problem is |
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| 06:36.49 | n2diy | hyper_cf, I can launch synaptic from my menu on this desktop, which was setup 18 months ago. Today, I acquired a laptop, and can only launch synaptic from a terminal window as root. |
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| 07:18.53 | iAdam1n | Why do I get things like "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"? |
| 07:19.45 | themill | iAdam1n: because the locale your user is trying to use is not installed on the machine -- dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 07:20.39 | iAdam1n | -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 07:21.16 | themill | as root |
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| 07:22.13 | iAdam1n | How do I select one of the options? For example,, the configure all |
| 07:22.20 | iAdam1n | nvm |
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| 07:23.06 | iAdam1n | What should the default locale be? |
| 07:23.16 | iAdam1n | (it's asking me to select one) |
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| 07:24.15 | themill | iAdam1n: how do you normally log in to this machine? |
| 07:24.37 | iAdam1n | ssh |
| 07:24.47 | themill | doesn't matter much then as your ssh client qwill set it |
| 07:25.31 | themill | (but you may as well pick the one you want to be a default) |
| 07:25.53 | iAdam1n | ok |
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| 07:35.57 | iAdam1n | thanks |
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| 07:43.07 | duiv | while looking for a debian testing iso images, I noted that apparently the builds are stopped after 27th of januari: |
| 07:43.10 | duiv | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ia64/ |
| 07:43.19 | duiv | is this a known issue? |
| 07:43.31 | themill | duiv: you don't want ia64 |
| 07:43.50 | themill | (also, the testing installer is for testing the installer) |
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| 07:44.19 | duiv | ah, right. Sorry |
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| 07:46.14 | nullbyte_ | who can show me sources.list example with unstable + backports and iceweasel? |
| 07:46.19 | nullbyte_ | i can't make it |
| 07:46.37 | themill | unstable + backports makes no sense |
| 07:46.51 | nullbyte_ | there is no bp for unstable? |
| 07:48.14 | duiv | nullbyte_: is http://mozilla.debian.net/ not accurate? |
| 07:48.21 | nullbyte_ | yes |
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| 07:51.50 | dokma | my /etc/shells contains a bunch of shells that are not even installed on the system |
| 07:52.06 | nevyn | nullbyte_: where would such backports be from? |
| 07:52.17 | dokma | I presume I can remove all entries that represent not installed shells? |
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| 07:54.18 | duiv | "/ignore -channels * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS" |
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| 08:02.29 | Kumbusta_ | something is using all my disk space, how can I find out what is doing it in debian? |
| 08:02.32 | Kumbusta_ | SOme kind of disk overview |
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| 08:10.20 | nevyn | how much is all your disk space? |
| 08:10.35 | rdz | Kumbusta_, du -sch / |
| 08:10.44 | nevyn | |sort -n |
| 08:10.50 | rdz | :-) |
| 08:11.15 | dokma | I assume anything with a tilde at the end in /etc is safe to delete? |
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| 08:11.36 | nevyn | 'safe' is a very relative thing. |
| 08:11.51 | nevyn | given they were probably created for safety in the first place. |
| 08:12.04 | dokma | well perhaps move it to some location first and delete in a month or two... |
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| 08:13.07 | nevyn | ls -lrt /etc/*~ |
| 08:13.08 | DexterF | hi all |
| 08:13.16 | nevyn | see how old they are first? |
| 08:13.29 | DexterF | openssl in wheezy is affected, then? |
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| 08:14.04 | themill | DexterF: as per the DSA and /topic |
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| 08:14.32 | OpenTokix | DexterF: yes, but fixed if you upgrade |
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| 08:15.13 | absynth | morning, i have a weird issue with the latest openssl (which patches heartbleed) on my wheezy box |
| 08:15.15 | DexterF | themill: come again? |
| 08:15.41 | jelly | nevyn: apt gpg key store backups will get regenerated anyway, the rest is probably admin's fault |
| 08:15.44 | absynth | although the version is definitely the right one (1.0.1e-2+deb7u5), the machine is demonstrably still vulnerable |
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| 08:16.15 | nevyn | absynth: have you restarted everything that linked libssl? |
| 08:16.32 | themill | DexterF: you should be trusting official sources of information for such things, not random people on irc. |
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| 08:18.29 | nevyn | absynth: changing the lib on disk doesn't change the copy in memory |
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| 08:20.31 | absynth | nevyn: yep, i looked with lsof and killed everything |
| 08:20.39 | absynth | lsof -n |grep DEL or whatnot |
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| 08:21.07 | nevyn | does that work for code. |
| 08:21.34 | absynth | what do you mean? |
| 08:21.36 | nevyn | I guess because of anon mmap loading |
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| 08:22.08 | nevyn | sdoes an executable in core have to have the library file open |
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| 08:23.42 | absynth | yes, as far as i know it does |
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| 08:23.56 | absynth | doesn't matter though, since the file on disk is definitely the right one, and i restarted apache too, and it now has the right file open. still not fixed |
| 08:24.01 | absynth | and that's really really weird now |
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| 08:26.13 | linedash | So everyone patching heartbleed this morning? |
| 08:26.19 | linedash | critical openssl vuln for those who've not seen yet |
| 08:26.40 | nevyn | same as the apple one? |
| 08:26.47 | ksk | linedash: do you have a link to that vuln? |
| 08:26.48 | nevyn | and the gnutls one? |
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| 08:27.12 | linedash | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00071.html |
| 08:27.14 | DexterF | nevyn: gnuTLS not affected as far as I heard, but check the net |
| 08:27.16 | linedash | ) |
| 08:27.20 | linedash | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160 |
| 08:27.46 | ksk | thanks |
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| 08:30.02 | K-liend | anyone know a good/working twitter client for Debian 7 KDE ? |
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| 08:31.04 | emss | does kopete support twitter? |
| 08:31.06 | K-liend | Anyone know a good/working Twitter client for Debian 7 KDE ? |
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| 08:33.56 | emss | K-liend choqok |
| 08:34.15 | nevyn | DexterF: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0092 |
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| 08:35.26 | ksk | what was that tools/package name that tells me what services are using old version of a updated lib again? |
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| 08:35.56 | absynth | lsof? |
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| 08:36.03 | absynth | lsof -n |grep ssl | grep DEL |
| 08:36.15 | viscera | ksk: checkrestart wraps it |
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| 08:40.25 | nabblet | hi, my wlan get turned off by hw-swith after working for some time after a boot. any ideas? |
| 08:40.30 | nabblet | it's like something is seting the hw-switch to off after ~ 1 Minute. And it's not me |
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| 08:40.35 | ksk | absynth: viscera thanks! |
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| 08:41.40 | nabblet | by problem seems to be the same as this http://askubuntu.com/questions/404451/broadcom-4331-card-stop-works-with-radio-hardware-status-changed-to-disabled |
| 08:41.53 | LordDeath | after updating libssl and openssl how do I know which processes I have to restart? |
| 08:42.44 | nabblet | i also saw similar problem in the arch forum, but they solved it with a kernel downgrade to a kernel > 3.2 (3.2 is the one i am using) |
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| 08:44.35 | absynth | lsof -n |grep ssl | grep DEL |
| 08:44.40 | absynth | LordDeath |
| 08:44.55 | absynth | (can an op /topic this cmdline? will be asked a trillion times today) |
| 08:45.08 | LordDeath | :) |
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| 08:45.46 | spidernik | hi. I'm trying to preseed a RAID1+LVM+Crypto installation by using partman. It looks like partman can't achieve this combination. |
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| 08:46.55 | burso | hello, can someone help me? How I call similar function DoUpdate() from apt via libapt-pkg-dev |
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| 08:47.25 | burso | *similar function like DoUpdate |
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| 08:53.39 | DexterF | so... currently I'm looking to establish a linux platform for products in the company I work for, does someone have advice how to argue for linux still against the semi-tech-windows-fanbois? |
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| 08:54.48 | nkuttler | DexterF: platform for products? |
| 08:57.21 | spidernik | has anyone managed to achieve that via early command or something? |
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| 08:59.14 | jelly | DexterF: it depends on where you plan to use it, and who you're selling the idea to |
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| 08:59.48 | jelly | DexterF: also: not really a Debian-specific issue, unless you bumped into "no commercial supprt aieee" |
| 09:00.39 | jelly | DexterF: ##linux will gladly accept such a discussion tho, #debian-offtopic too but that channel is quite small |
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| 09:00.59 | DexterF | nkuttler: jelly selling the software, needs to run on something. now I was all "TCO" and " yay linux" and now the decision makers will be all "look at the ssl mess, let's talk quality" |
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| 09:02.02 | viscera | DexterF: Windows has security holes, too |
| 09:02.04 | nkuttler | DexterF: huh? |
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| 09:02.29 | jelly | yes. talk quality and time-to-fix and show them the time from when someone reports an issue to MS to when it gets fixed |
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| 09:04.22 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 09:04.34 | MaxFrames | what is the command to display the version of a currently installed package? |
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| 09:05.08 | ksk | MaxFrames: try apt-cache show $package -- or dpkg -l $package |
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| 09:06.22 | MaxFrames | ok thanks |
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| 09:06.49 | MaxFrames | (I'm safe from the heartbleed bug) :) |
| 09:06.59 | MaxFrames | openssl 0.9.8o |
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| 09:10.14 | Tlin | My debian says 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5, do I have the fix? |
| 09:10.24 | babilen | yes |
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| 09:10.42 | petern_ | openssl version -b |
| 09:10.50 | viscera | Tlin: front page of debian.org website has security information |
| 09:10.51 | daemonkeeper | Having an updated OpenSSL != fix. |
| 09:10.53 | babilen | dpkg: dsa2896 |
| 09:10.53 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'» |
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| 09:11.27 | babilen | Tlin: And you will still have to take care of *every* certificate, but please read http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 09:11.30 | absynth | i have a vulnerable 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 09:11.30 | absynth | and i have no idea why |
| 09:11.43 | viscera | daemonkeeper: how so? |
| 09:11.46 | babilen | absynth: What do you mean by that? |
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| 09:11.51 | viscera | daemonkeeper: because keys need a regen? |
| 09:12.00 | absynth | babilen: i have updated my wheezy to the new package, and it is definitely installed |
| 09:12.08 | daemonkeeper | Yes. You need a new certificate. |
| 09:12.13 | babilen | absynth: And? |
| 09:12.15 | absynth | i restarted apache, i checked with lsof -n if no process still owns the old ssl library |
| 09:12.23 | daemonkeeper | assume your existing one is leaked. |
| 09:12.25 | absynth | and the web server is definitely still vulnerable, i can see it leak info |
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| 09:13.21 | babilen | absynth: What does "checkrestart" give you (debian-goodies) ? What about "grep -l 'libssl.*deleted' /proc/*/maps | tr -cd 0-9\\n | xargs -r ps u" ? |
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| 09:13.52 | nabblet | hi, my wlan gets disabled by hw-switch as soon as i log in via gdm. as long as i ctrl+alt+f1 login in command line, wlan works fine |
| 09:15.08 | absynth | checkrestart gives me a couple of processes which need to be restarted |
| 09:15.10 | nabblet | i don't know how this can happen... |
| 09:15.14 | absynth | but none of them seems to be still using the old lib |
| 09:15.16 | Tlin | viscera, babilen: Thank you |
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| 09:15.30 | absynth | in fact, if i grep lsof -n for SSL, the new one shows up consistently |
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| 09:17.27 | gabrimonfa | Hi I'm using squeeze on a HP Proliant 180G6. HP warns to move from hpacucli to hpssa, that seems to be only available as rpm. I converted it to deb using alien. Does anyone moved to hpssa and has had any problem? |
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| 09:19.21 | jelly | gabrimonfa: hpssacli is pretty much the same tool |
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| 09:20.46 | jelly | still has ii hpacucli 9.40.1-1. HP Command Line Array Configuration Utility |
| 09:20.53 | jelly | on most machines |
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| 09:23.10 | benjick | So uhm about heartbleed, I messaged the bot, and I tried to update those two packages that came |
| 09:23.12 | gabrimonfa | jelly: thank you, apparently there is a local elevation of provilege with old tools http://alerts.hp.com/r?2.1.3KT.2ZR.15umte.KT3bA6..T.esjg.8QnG.bW89MQ%5f%5fDONWFTR0 |
| 09:23.32 | benjick | But the version is the same after apt-get update and apt-get install libssl1.0.0 openssl |
| 09:24.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell benjick -about bat |
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| 09:25.03 | jelly | gabrimonfa: I don't run their web service thingies... not sure how a binary that's not setuid could allow for privilege escalation |
| 09:26.04 | benjick | babilen: Thank you |
| 09:26.11 | benjick | Here is the full output I think http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c3a91918/ |
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| 09:28.31 | gabrimonfa | jelly: yes it's a bit strange. I'll try on a dev server before. thx |
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| 09:30.11 | jelly | gabrimonfa: most if not all the web-accessible services from the proliant support pack were full of holes, we do not use any of that stuff that runs as daemon and listens on some *:tcp port |
| 09:30.32 | jelly | shipped with horribly old thttpd and similar |
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| 09:34.33 | gabrimonfa | jelly: the same here, we just use only the hpacucli binary to manage the controller. If hpssa needs to be installed as a daemon (I'm not sure) it's better to use old hpacucli |
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