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| 00:43.38 | xplat | how can i check if security.debian.org has patched heartbleed and replaced its cert yet? |
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| 00:44.34 | civillian | !tell xplat about dsa2896 |
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| 00:46.53 | xplat | civillian: oh, hm, the package signing key wouldn't be compromised even if the server's ssl key was, would it? |
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| 00:47.49 | xplat | thanks; you're a much better teddy bear than the guys in that other channel, though i don't know why. |
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| 00:51.17 | anao | hi@all is a ext4 filesystem specialist online? |
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| 00:51.50 | SynrG | !ask |
| 00:51.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:52.03 | SynrG | and goodnight. desperately need sleep |
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| 00:53.18 | tkf | hi, i'm running jessie alpha 1. when i reboot my machine, my root crontab entries vanish. what am i missing here? |
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| 00:55.41 | Nidhoggr | I have wheezy i386 and am wondering if anyone knows of a mirror that has the new openssl binary. I am using the US mirror default addresses and still get package compiled in January. |
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| 00:56.49 | civillian | Nidhoggr: compile date isn't a good indicator |
| 00:56.57 | kruug | I'm running into an issue reconfiguring a legacy nVidia card. Using nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, when I attempt to nvidia-settings or nvidia-xconfig, I get the error: The control display is undefined. |
| 00:57.01 | kruug | How can I correct this? |
| 00:57.14 | civillian | Nidhoggr: mirrors won't have security updates for stable (wheezy), that's what security.debian.org is for |
| 00:57.35 | Nidhoggr | I have security in my list of sources |
| 00:57.58 | civillian | Nidhoggr: run 'apt-cache policy openssl' and check which versions are installed / candidate |
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| 00:59.46 | Nidhoggr | shows the one installed is different than the one on security but is the same as 'candidate' |
| 01:00.51 | civillian | Nidhoggr: if installed == candidate, then you're up to date according to your sources/pinning config |
| 01:01.16 | civillian | which version does it display? |
| 01:01.34 | Nidhoggr | 1.0.1f-1 |
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| 01:02.16 | civillian | Nidhoggr: wheezy candidate should be 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 01:02.31 | civillian | Nidhoggr: are you sure you're running wheezy? |
| 01:02.51 | themill | Nidhoggr: 1.0.1f is not wheezy. perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0 libc6 dpkg" |
| 01:02.53 | Nidhoggr | I should be. that's what cd I installed from. I may have pasted a bad source list. :( |
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| 01:03.51 | Nidhoggr | /etc/debian_version says jessie |
| 01:04.09 | Nidhoggr | no wonder. |
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| 01:15.30 | Pendrag0n | okay here is a very hard question for me to wrap my head around. I use the gnu tool "screen" allot, always. When I "echo $WINDOW" it tells me which window of my screen I am in currently (I am saying this because a .vimrc script I wrote, depends on the current window Id.) Well when I su to root, the WINDOW variable from my user's environment, I found does get copied into root's environment, (which it does on CentOS) apparentl |
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| 01:15.46 | Pendrag0n | that the environmental variable "WINDOW" get's copied into root's environment? |
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| 01:15.52 | zacts | lo |
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| 01:17.19 | peterrooney | Pendrag0n: try "su -" instead |
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| 01:17.48 | Pendrag0n | I did peterooney |
| 01:18.10 | Pendrag0n | oh holy hell, peter, if you are the same peter I am remembering you and I talked allot about 3 or 4 years ago |
| 01:18.14 | Pendrag0n | long time no see |
| 01:18.15 | themill | Pendrag0n: your question was cut off btw |
| 01:18.20 | Pendrag0n | oh? |
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| 01:18.52 | civillian | Pendrag0n: leaving out screen, when I su to root (with or without -) the WINDOW variable _doesn't_ get transferred |
| 01:18.54 | Pendrag0n | okay, basically, when I su (by any means) to root, I need an environment variable "WINDOW" copied from whichever user is current, into roots environment |
| 01:19.27 | kruug | when I run `Xorg -configure` I get: Number of screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed. |
| 01:19.29 | kruug | How would I fix that? |
| 01:19.35 | Pendrag0n | civillian, me either, that's my problem, I know it did when I wrote this command, on my CentOS server, but I found it doesn't on my debian server. |
| 01:19.48 | civillian | Pendrag0n: you said "I found does get copied into root's environment, |
| 01:20.08 | Pendrag0n | oh, typo |
| 01:20.09 | Pendrag0n | sorry |
| 01:20.17 | Pendrag0n | I need it to get copied into root's environment |
| 01:20.20 | Pendrag0n | it is not |
| 01:20.53 | Pendrag0n | are there perhaps some type of /etc/environmental_settings file? That I can setup what gets cloned from one user's environment to another? |
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| 01:25.02 | Pendrag0n | wow, this is really bothering me. I need to figure out how to force a single variable, to be copied from one users environment to another when using su, but I can't. |
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| 01:26.14 | themill | if you want that sort of configurability, you'd use sudo |
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| 01:30.28 | civillian | Pendrag0n: are you using sudo? |
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| 01:33.41 | Pendrag0n | civillian, yes, sometimes, but I just found another weird hitch, I can "as myself" echo $WINDOW, and it prints out the window number correctly, |
| 01:34.02 | Pendrag0n | never mind |
| 01:34.04 | Pendrag0n | hmm |
| 01:34.06 | civillian | Pendrag0n: when I use sudo, $WINDOW doesn't come through |
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| 01:34.49 | Pendrag0n | I know |
| 01:34.54 | Pendrag0n | that is my problem |
| 01:35.15 | Pendrag0n | even if I use the -m flag, which should copy my environment, it copies everything EXCEPT for the window |
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| 01:36.21 | civillian | Pendrag0n: are you using 'su -m' or 'su - -m'? |
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| 01:37.50 | Pendrag0n | tried both |
| 01:37.56 | Pendrag0n | and both with sudo in front of them |
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| 01:40.27 | Vasistha | Running amd64, I want to use debootstrap to create an i386 installation. Which of the many deboostrap packages will I need? |
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| 01:42.39 | Coolman3 | hi |
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| 01:47.03 | wcfields | Anyone ever worked with Layer 7 Technologies? I have a potential job doing high-level support and I just want to know what world of hell I might be getting into. |
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| 01:49.17 | codepython777 | how do i fix this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7224401/ (apt-get update output) |
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| 01:53.05 | Vasistha | I'm not sure, but do you have debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 01:53.46 | codepython777 | Vasistha: ii debian-archive-keyring 2012.4 all GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 01:54.15 | Vasistha | that's good... and the other? |
| 01:54.20 | codepython777 | nope |
| 01:55.33 | codepython777 | Vasistha: just installed it , and that fixed it! |
| 01:55.38 | Vasistha | great! |
| 01:56.56 | Vasistha | wcfields: maybe try asking during US business hours |
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| 01:57.45 | wcfields | Vasistha: Ha, yeah. I work PST until 7:30p ... |
| 01:57.53 | jlkinsel | hey guys - should openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 on Wheezy be patched for heartbleed? It's still failing tests... |
| 01:58.21 | Vasistha | wcfields: yeah being in California we kinda get the short end of the stick eh? |
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| 01:58.52 | wcfields | Yeah, pretyt much it's early/late for all things |
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| 01:59.24 | Vasistha | jlkinsel: are you sure you restarted all the relevant services? It should automatically happen as part of the upgrade process but....? |
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| 02:00.20 | jlkinsel | i'm not doing apt-get upgrade, but apt-get install openssl. yeah, restarted apache2 after |
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| 02:01.08 | themill | jlkinsel: openssl is not the library -- you should be using apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:02.56 | jlkinsel | aah my bad - libssl1.0.0 |
| 02:03.29 | jlkinsel | themill: I appreciate what you're saying, but these are production systems and I'm not going to upgrade a bunch of other stuff without testing |
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| 02:03.44 | themill | well those upgrades should have been applied months ago |
| 02:03.47 | jlkinsel | more importantly, I'm about to tell a bunch of folks to upgrade a bunch of stuff I haven't tested |
| 02:04.24 | themill | just because this security update made it to /. doesn't mean the other ones are ignorable forever |
| 02:04.34 | jlkinsel | completely agree. |
| 02:04.41 | themill | happy testing :) |
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| 02:04.58 | jlkinsel | :) libssl is what I needed - thanks a ton!! |
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| 02:11.49 | vimel | quick update to a security flaw. good stuff. https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896 |
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| 02:37.11 | Vasistha | Running amd64, I want to use debootstrap to create an i386 installation. Which of the many deboostrap packages will I need? |
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| 02:37.57 | abrotman | the many? |
| 02:38.18 | chrisoprase | Hi, after the latest update to openssh this config entry no longer works: LocalCommand /usr/bin/irssi-fnotify --start %r@%h |
| 02:40.01 | sssslang | Will wheezy get updates against openssl's bug(heartbleed)? I cannot find latest version of libssl1.0.0 in the wheezy-updates repo. |
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| 02:40.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: cdebootstrap, cdebootstrap-static, debootstrap, vmdebootstrap, and :i386 versions of each |
| 02:40.35 | dvs | sssslang: it already has |
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| 02:40.52 | Voss | Which gnome version are most of you running on Wheezy? |
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| 02:41.31 | sssslang | dvs: in which version? 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6? |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | Vasistha: they have descriptions to read .. |
| 02:41.45 | jiohdi | gnome is a bit to bloated for my tastes... I use lxde |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | sssslang: /topic |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | Voss: Wheezy comes with one versoin |
| 02:42.22 | Voss | abrotman I haven't used it in such a long time so forgive me for my ignorance |
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| 02:44.17 | ryonaloli | iin debian stable (7.4), is it safe to set a daily cron job to do "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade", or are there any precautions i should take? |
| 02:44.26 | sssslang | dvs: Sorry, I didn't see there. Thank you very much! |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | ryonaloli: use apticron or cron-apt |
| 02:44.53 | Dan39 | should these new openssl packages be on most mirrors by now? just ran update/upgrade on ftp.fr.debian.org and my openssl package shows 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4. seems old <_< |
| 02:45.23 | ryonaloli | i have cron-apt installed but it seems quite complicated when all i want is automatic upgrading (i don't need mail to be sent, or anything else like that) |
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| 02:46.04 | abrotman | Dan39: /topic .. you need a security mirror |
| 02:46.04 | themill | Dan39: security updates are in the security updates repository |
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| 02:46.25 | Dan39 | like |
| 02:46.26 | Dan39 | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 02:46.27 | Dan39 | ? |
| 02:46.32 | Dan39 | cuz i have that in there already |
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| 02:46.59 | abrotman | Dan39: and you did your aptitude update? |
| 02:47.37 | jiohdi | debian-next says invite only, how do you get one of those? |
| 02:47.45 | Dan39 | yes |
| 02:47.53 | Dan39 | abrotman: did update and dist-upgrade |
| 02:47.56 | centrx | jiohdi, The #debian-next channel is on OFTC |
| 02:48.05 | Dan39 | still on OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 02:48.10 | jiohdi | what is OFTC? |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | jiohdi: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:48.16 | Dan39 | another irc network |
| 02:48.52 | Dan39 | abrotman: i have multiple boxes i just updated/upgraded and started recompiling things and then half done noticed the openssl is still 11 Feb :| |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | Dan39: so check the mirror |
| 02:49.37 | jiohdi | thx |
| 02:50.27 | stew | Dan39: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0" in a paste somewhere |
| 02:51.37 | Dan39 | hmm |
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| 02:51.45 | Dan39 | the system needs to be rebooted for this to take affect? |
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| 02:52.07 | Dan39 | libssl1.0.0: |
| 02:52.08 | Dan39 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:53.16 | abrotman | Dan39: seems okay? |
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| 02:54.18 | Dan39 | http://paste.debian.net/92607/ |
| 02:54.47 | themill | right, nothing to do |
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| 02:55.00 | Dan39 | o guess im getting confused between libssl and openssl |
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| 02:55.29 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 02:55.46 | Dan39 | o wait |
| 02:56.08 | Dan39 | yea sorry didnt read everything properly <_< |
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| 02:56.38 | stew | waves to themill and abrotman howdy strangers |
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| 03:05.52 | krooked_ | when installing a deb file i get subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 |
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| 03:06.09 | krooked_ | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 03:11.01 | Dan39 | krooked_: sure the file is complete? |
| 03:11.22 | sbtre944 | hi i wanted to know if i'm protected from heartbleed. i have openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 03:11.47 | Dan39 | sbtre944: yes |
| 03:11.49 | themill | sbtre944: openssl ≠ libssl1.0.1 |
| 03:11.57 | themill | or libssl1.0.0 |
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| 03:13.12 | Dan39 | well id say its safe to assume if his openssl version is most recent, then his libssl is also? :P |
| 03:13.26 | themill | Dan39: no, actually |
| 03:16.02 | civillian | there is a perl/nmap script around which says I'm still vulnerable after upgrading to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
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| 03:16.34 | civillian | shakes fist |
| 03:16.50 | cesurasean1 | how does one become a package "maintainer", or help to fix bugs for debian code? |
| 03:16.58 | cesurasean1 | i need a hobby. |
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| 03:18.42 | petern_ | cesurasean1, find bugs and fix them, I guess |
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| 03:19.14 | cesurasean1 | petern_how does one become a package maintainer? |
| 03:19.33 | cesurasean1 | petern_, how does one become a package maintainer? |
| 03:19.41 | centrx | dpkg, tell cesurasean1 about nmg |
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| 03:19.44 | cesurasean1 | fight for it? |
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| 03:20.07 | somiaj | cesurasean1: http://mentors.debian.net/ -- I think you start by finding a mentor of sorts |
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| 03:20.32 | themill | cesurasean1: you start by sending patches to bugs.debian.org |
| 03:21.07 | cesurasean1 | so, in theory, i can make my own package, and add it to debian, yeah? |
| 03:21.37 | cesurasean1 | become my own package manager? no? |
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| 03:21.41 | koanhead | cesurasean1: first you make your own packages |
| 03:21.59 | koanhead | then you get a sponsor for uploads |
| 03:22.04 | somiaj | cesurasean1: check out that link, you have to find sponsor, that is a good place to start reading about the process. |
| 03:22.05 | cesurasean1 | where is the value for that? |
| 03:22.16 | koanhead | then yr sponsor yells at you cause your packages aren't good, so you get a mentor |
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| 03:22.27 | koanhead | then you get upload privs and become a Developer |
| 03:22.33 | koanhead | then profit |
| 03:22.46 | cesurasean1 | so developers are paid? |
| 03:22.50 | koanhead | is still working on step 0 |
| 03:22.58 | marratj | Hello, I'm trying to install r-base-dev package but i'm getting a lot of dependencies errors. i've aready use apt-get -f install but i cant resolves that dependencies. Can anyone help me? |
| 03:23.14 | petern_ | cesurasean1, no |
| 03:23.21 | koanhead | paid by their employers, not by debian |
| 03:23.30 | somiaj | marratj: where did you get this r-base-dev package and how are you trying to install it? |
| 03:23.32 | cesurasean1 | i see. |
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| 03:23.41 | koanhead | if you are a Debian Dev then there are several companies that will want to know you |
| 03:23.44 | cesurasean1 | the privilege of saying you are a debian developer. |
| 03:23.52 | petern_ | that's just a phrase... 1) do something 2) ... 3) profit! |
| 03:24.05 | cesurasean1 | interesting. |
| 03:24.15 | pav5088 | Hi... I want to backup a directory to DVD, and it will span multiple disks. Is there software which will do this optimally automatically? |
| 03:24.17 | somiaj | southpark underpants gnomes if you want the source. |
| 03:25.10 | krooked_ | Dan39: yes everything is there |
| 03:25.19 | krooked_ | it only recently started happening |
| 03:25.34 | pav5088 | I need this to be accessible for someone on Windows also. I don't need compression (it's files rescued from a video recorder, so it's not very compressible. |
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| 03:26.36 | relaxed | pav5088: `tar` and `split` will do it, or maybe just the latter |
| 03:27.00 | somiaj | pav5088: there is a program called dar that looks like it can be used in both linux and windows |
| 03:28.01 | somiaj | but my suggestion was tar and split, but in that case you ahve to put all the dvd's file backtogether before you can untar it which might not be the best option if y ou just need something off of dvd 5 fo 12 |
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| 03:28.53 | marratj | somiaj: I need to install r-base-dev because i'm installing packages of R programing language. I'm using apt-get install r-base-dev r-base. The r-base I installed without problems. I added this deb http://cran-r.c3sl.ufpr.br/bin/linux/debian wheezy-cran3/ in sourcelist |
| 03:31.04 | somiaj | marratj: and you are running a wheezy system? What sort of depends errors do you get when you try to apt-get install r-base-dev, care to paste the whole output at paste.debian.net |
| 03:31.28 | somiaj | but sounds like the repo you are using was not built well enough, and if they have confcliting depends in their packages not much we can do |
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| 03:40.28 | marratj | somiaj: paste.debian.net/92611 it's a wheezy system |
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| 03:42.13 | civillian | go get github.com/FiloSottile/Heartbleed |
| 03:42.23 | civillian | and that was a fail |
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| 03:43.26 | civillian | marratj: did you keep the old deb lines in your sources.list? |
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| 03:44.52 | engla_ | why does the jessie network-manager upgrade install systemd? |
| 03:46.00 | themill | engla_: because network-manager requires logind |
| 03:46.03 | marratj | civillian: Yes I did. paste.debian.net/92612 |
| 03:46.41 | ryonaloli | how do i recursively change permissions in a directory but keep folders +x and files -x? |
| 03:46.57 | engla_ | themill: does it need to boot with systemd? |
| 03:47.14 | themill | engla_: I don't believe so |
| 03:47.23 | engla_ | ok |
| 03:47.27 | themill | (not yet, at least) |
| 03:47.41 | centrx | ryonaloli, Don't change the executable bit? |
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| 03:47.59 | centrx | ryonaloli, e.g. chmod a+rw |
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| 03:48.52 | ryonaloli | centrx: oh, i'm an idiot then. i'm too use to using numeric modes :/ |
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| 03:51.23 | somiaj | marratj: hmm seems strange it is not automatically installing those packages for ya, you can apt-get install build-essential g++ gfortran -- and so on just fine? |
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| 03:52.47 | somiaj | marratj: deb-multimedia has been known to cause troubles and you really shouldn't need it in wheezy and onward. |
| 03:54.52 | marratj | somiaj: I've already tried by this way but I get more dependencies problems.. It's a infinit loop hehehe http://paste.debian.net/92615/ |
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| 03:55.49 | marratj | somiaj: Should be any thing wrong with my debian installation? |
| 03:55.58 | somiaj | marratj: yea one of those repos is confusing apt. You are gonn have to track things down. |
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| 03:56.13 | somiaj | marratj: what does apt-cache policy libc6-dev output? |
| 03:56.14 | civillian | marratj: try taking out the new repo and re-run apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:56.48 | somiaj | it also says you have broken packages, what does apt-get -f install do if you try to fix them? again some output would help us try to think what is going on |
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| 04:01.44 | marratj | somiaj: paste.debian.net/92616 |
| 04:02.11 | marratj | civillian: I get problems with libc6-dev dependence |
| 04:03.00 | krooked_ | ok re-installing dpkg through homebrew on mac is broken and sucks, but on macports YAY it fixed the problem and works |
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| 04:05.26 | themill | krooked_: btw this channel is for debian support not generic "I broke dpkg on my atari" support. There's nothing we can do to help with non-debian packages |
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| 04:06.25 | somiaj | marratj: you have confused apt, does aptitdue work any better? |
| 04:06.57 | somiaj | marratj: I can't tell what the problem is, those are some strange errors, lets keep working to the lowest level. What errors do you get when you install libc6-dev |
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| 04:08.14 | Rusty1 | perhaps an apt-get clean and apt-get update first? |
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| 04:11.18 | somiaj | Rusty1: don't see why clean would do anything, though I htink we had him remove some repos |
| 04:11.29 | somiaj | marratj: I would remove your deb-multimedia repo and apt-get update |
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| 04:11.40 | marratj | somiaj: with aptitude worked properly. I |
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| 04:11.51 | Rusty1 | a little housekeeping |
| 04:11.57 | marratj | somia: i removed deb-multimedia |
| 04:12.00 | hero | I updated my openssl to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 and generated new csr and rekeyed my ssl certificate. I can see the new certificate but it is still vulnerable to heartbleed bug. Is this the fixed version of openssl? Am I missing out on some steps? |
| 04:12.17 | bodeezl | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.20 | bodeezl | rofl sry |
| 04:12.28 | somiaj | marratj: Yea apt got confused, not sure why or what it was. |
| 04:12.37 | themill | hero: did you actually upgrade libssl1.0.0 too? Did you restart the daemons? |
| 04:12.52 | marratj | somiaj: Could I reinstall apt-get? . Is it possible? |
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| 04:14.38 | hero | themill: libssl1.0.0 isn't updated. Doing that now and checking. Thanks. |
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| 04:14.45 | somiaj | marratj: that woudln't change anything. There is somethign in all those repos that is confusing its logic, again I'm not sure what. |
| 04:15.02 | themill | hero: sounds like you want apt-get upgrade. |
| 04:15.32 | somiaj | marratj: in this case you are just lucky aptitudes logic was able to resolve the problems in your repos |
| 04:15.40 | centrx | I am kind of surprised libssl1.0.0 was not mentioned in the security advisory |
| 04:15.59 | themill | it is |
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| 04:16.26 | themill | «All users are urged to upgrade their openssl packages (especially libssl1.0.0) and restart applications as soon as possible.» |
| 04:16.39 | centrx | Yeah looks like I missed it |
| 04:17.31 | centrx | Still it expects all kinds of users to know how to check what binaries are related to the openssl source package |
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| 04:17.46 | themill | apt-get upgrade... |
| 04:17.47 | centrx | Although I guess if just doing normal upgrade with security.d.o it doesn't matter |
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| 04:19.21 | hero | themill: yes, I was holding off to finish this first then update rest of the system. |
| 04:19.37 | hero | themill: do I have to generate the csr again? |
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| 04:23.13 | marratj | somiaj: Ok, Thanks |
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| 04:23.54 | n3232323322 | oh, hello there! |
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| 04:34.46 | hesperaux | I'm sure everyone's talking about this constantly. I just read the info from dpkg in the topic about the openssl issue. Could someone clarify that the u6 version of openssl on wheezy has been patched for the overrun? I'm unsure because the version is still technically one of the vulnerable ones according to heartbleed.com |
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| 04:35.35 | hesperaux | i just pulled in an update from security.debian.org and i thought it might be a patch, but it wasn't obvious to me |
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| 04:36.19 | themill | ,v libssl1.0.0 --release wheezy-security |
| 04:36.20 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 04:36.30 | themill | hesperaux: ^^ that version is fine and also passes the heartbleed tests |
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| 04:38.37 | hesperaux | w00t! thanks themill |
| 04:38.40 | hesperaux | and thank you debian |
| 04:39.19 | centrx | hesperaux, Debian backports most security fixes to stable, instead of making a potentially destabilizing version change |
| 04:39.20 | themill | (the corollary being, that if you're not passing heartbleed tests, you've not updated correctly) |
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| 04:39.43 | hesperaux | centrx, i know that is typically done; wasn't sure in this case |
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| 04:41.39 | AztequeMedia | hi, i tried fbpanel fbpanel in openbox but nothing work. Can you give me a debug method ? |
| 04:42.22 | centrx | AztequeMedia, uh what? |
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| 04:42.32 | centrx | AztequeMedia, What does "nothing worked" mean? |
| 04:43.10 | AztequeMedia | the window of open box work , but fbpanel print nothing |
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| 04:44.47 | centrx | AztequeMedia, fbpanel should be a panel at the bottom of the screen? |
| 04:45.10 | centrx | AztequeMedia, You may want to add fbpanel& to your ~/.xinitrc file |
| 04:45.20 | centrx | fbpanel& |
| 04:45.21 | centrx | exec openbox |
| 04:45.26 | centrx | Those are my last two lines in ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:46.19 | AztequeMedia | yes i put fbpanel & in /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart |
| 04:46.23 | hesperaux | noob question - on one of my machines (I just spun up a wheezy vm) I cannot update openssl to that which is provided by security.debian.org (I only have 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4). What am I missing? |
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| 04:46.43 | hesperaux | it's using the same mirrors as my other server which has the fix |
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| 04:47.36 | somiaj | hesperaux: what does apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0 say, if you don't see the fixed version from the security repo, you need to modify your sources.list and/or run apt-get update |
| 04:48.05 | hesperaux | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.13 | hesperaux | and that is the only entry in the version table |
| 04:48.39 | hesperaux | i've ran update several times, and i've tried adding security.debian.org to the mirrorlist, but i've just learned that's not correct |
| 04:48.58 | somiaj | !sources.list |
| 04:48.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 04:49.28 | hesperaux | huh. |
| 04:49.48 | somiaj | if you don't see the security sources in apt-cache policy, you there is somethign wrong with your sources.list. YOu can put it at paste.debian.net if y ou want us to look it over |
| 04:49.59 | hesperaux | let me check it out |
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| 04:50.12 | hesperaux | cuz by that rational (unless i glazed over it) my other server should not have received the fix |
| 04:50.30 | hesperaux | i'm a derpface |
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| 04:50.39 | hesperaux | it's right here in my other apt sources.list. Sorry about that |
| 04:50.45 | wols_ | somiaj: apt-cache policy shows us them all. in the installation, they could be scattered over several files |
| 04:51.00 | somiaj | wols_: yea I always forget about that (: |
| 04:51.41 | hesperaux | excellent. I pulled in the update. thanks again for sorting me out |
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| 04:55.50 | AztequeMedia | i tried xfce4-panel before and it worked |
| 04:56.17 | AztequeMedia | just log out don't work |
| 04:56.30 | AztequeMedia | so i tried fbpanel |
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| 05:06.45 | AztequeMedia | is someone use fbpanel with openbox ? |
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| 05:07.47 | somiaj | AztequeMedia: what about fbpanel isn't working? |
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| 05:09.34 | AztequeMedia | no |
| 05:09.44 | AztequeMedia | nothing is display |
| 05:10.28 | somiaj | look at $HOME/.xsession-errors or the output of when you run fbpanel, error messages are very useful |
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| 06:03.55 | rascal999 | I was testing my install for openssl heartbleed bug (CVE-2014-0160) and my box was vulnerable until I upgraded, which installed (among other packages) OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013. According to https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt 1.0.1e should still be vulnerable to heartbleed, why does this not appear to be the case? |
| 06:04.37 | harmaahylje | debian has a fixed package of that version |
| 06:04.39 | rascal999 | have used two different sources to check the bug, both reported vulnerable until I upgraded, then none reported |
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| 06:04.45 | themill | !security backports |
| 06:04.45 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>. |
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| 06:04.57 | hyper_ch | hi there, I'm trying to update my system and I have problems: http://paste.debian.net/92628/ |
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| 06:05.29 | harmaahylje | rascal999: remember to restart all services using openssl |
| 06:05.35 | themill | hyper_ch: do you have a funny path missing /usr/sbin? |
| 06:05.43 | rascal999 | harmaahylje: does that include ssh? |
| 06:06.08 | OperaGhostkv | wow ...you guys are still not over with openssl |
| 06:06.09 | harmaahylje | rascal999: maybe it is easier to reboot, if that is possible, then you make sure everything restarts |
| 06:06.52 | rascal999 | OperaGhostkv: it's a little confusing that 1.0.1e addresses the issue in debian, when it is supposed to be vulnerable |
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| 06:07.13 | OperaGhostkv | everyone is talking abt openssl |
| 06:07.16 | rascal999 | apparently debian backports, although this isn't made clear by looking at the version |
| 06:07.24 | rascal999 | OperaGhostkv: it's a rather serious issue |
| 06:07.46 | OperaGhostkv | i think it is a yes |
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| 06:08.09 | themill | rascal999: the version is not "1.0.1e" it is "1.0.1e-2+deb7u6". Looking at version numbers only has never been a good way of checking if something is fixed or not |
| 06:08.20 | rascal999 | themill: evidently |
| 06:08.35 | hesperaux | oh, so that's what the +deb means |
| 06:08.48 | themill | !debian revision |
| 06:08.49 | dpkg | debian revision is, like, a number added to the package number to show that the Debian maintainers for the package have had a number of attempts at the packaging. The Debian revision is the string after the last - in the version (1.2.3-5 has a Debian revision of 5) and will also indicate a security update (e.g.1+squeeze2) or an NMU. Ask me about <nmu> <binnmu> <compare versions> <version epoch>, or see section 5.6.12 of <policy>. |
| 06:09.05 | rascal999 | if you do openssl version you don't get the +deb stuff, which perhaps isn't great. |
| 06:10.23 | harmaahylje | rascal999: you can check the installed package information though |
| 06:10.23 | themill | "openssl version" is just telling you what openssl.org called it when they created the tarball a couple of years ago. |
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| 06:10.53 | rascal999 | OperaGhostkv: https://twitter.com/markloman/status/453502888447586304 |
| 06:10.54 | babilen | rascal999: No, it simply doesn't make sense to define security in terms of program versions, but to say explicitly which problems are present (or absent) -- A common problem when looking at certain certifications |
| 06:12.03 | rascal999 | babilen: when a security patch is released you don't think the program version should change to reflect this? |
| 06:12.26 | themill | rascal999: unless you want to represent the version as a bitmask, ... |
| 06:12.29 | rascal999 | harmaahylje: it seems I'm going to have to rely on the package manager for version info |
| 06:12.47 | themill | rascal999: yes, you should rely on the package manager to tell you what versions of the packages you have installed. |
| 06:13.03 | babilen | rascal999: Well it does, but I don't think that the upstream code should be patched to display the Debian version. |
| 06:13.09 | babilen | s/does/is |
| 06:13.46 | themill | rascal999: there may be any number of other programs that would break if debian changed the output of "openssl version" by adding in extra digits or something. They might be things in debian or they might be your own scripts.... it's not good to start changing the output of version strings like that |
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| 06:14.30 | harmaahylje | rascal999: I wonder why that tweeter had to publish that information, maybe he could have warned about logging in instead of revealing the whole problem. |
| 06:14.31 | rascal999 | themill: i don't think having inaccurate version numbers is any better |
| 06:14.43 | themill | rascal999: but that is the version number of the upstream code. |
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| 06:14.54 | themill | rascal999: (for instance, changing /etc/debian_version last year to reflect an update to wheezy went and broke the postgresql packages) |
| 06:14.59 | babilen | It's not inaccurate .. you are running that version with backported fixes. |
| 06:15.38 | rascal999 | babilen: yes, but this is only made clear by interrogating the package manager |
| 06:15.41 | themill | rascal999: the summary is that there is no "right thing" to do here. changing it will break things, not changing it will confuse people. |
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| 06:16.12 | themill | rascal999: the correct way of finding out what versions of the packages you have is to ask the package manager. That does sound like a fairly reasonable thing to do in any case... |
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| 06:17.07 | babilen | And if you want to check for the presence of a vulnerability you should check for that. :) |
| 06:17.09 | rascal999 | themill: agreed, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the package is tainted and not made obvious |
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| 06:18.02 | babilen | rascal999: A lot of packages are tainted in that way. Adaptations of upstream software to, well, the Debian system constitutes a lot of the work being done by Debian. |
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| 06:18.52 | babilen | These changes/patches are not limited to security fixes either |
| 06:19.26 | rascal999 | yeah there's no silver bullet here, i think if i were working on a project i'd have a flag which i'd ask the distro's to set if they feel the need to 'adapt' the code |
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| 06:19.41 | OperaGhostkv | It should be ok if you update your debian system ,but maybe some mirrors need a little time to sync |
| 06:20.04 | jj5 | hello. I'm new do Debian. I've installed Eclipse which I'm hoping to use as my IDE, particularly for PHP projects, but also C/C++. There is a KDE widget for listing and running Konsole Profiles. Basically it lists profiles in alphabetical order and you can click on a profile name to launch that Konsole profile. I'd like to change this behavior so that users can sort their profiles arbitrarily, and I need some help figuring out how to do that... can |
| 06:20.05 | jj5 | anyone help me? |
| 06:20.14 | rascal999 | OperaGhostkv: a fix has been available for at least 20 hours afaik |
| 06:20.22 | babilen | longer |
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| 06:20.43 | rascal999 | babilen: i'd imagine so, but i only updated yesterday |
| 06:21.04 | babilen | sure |
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| 06:22.01 | OperaGhostkv | yeah ...but you know some mirrors only sync once in 24hours |
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| 06:22.29 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 06:22.29 | rascal999 | harmaahylje: i wouldn't say Mark's tweet was irresponsible, it just adds some weight to his claim |
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| 06:43.38 | n0buddy | !de |
| 06:43.38 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 06:45.08 | aum | is unstable exposed to the heartbleed ssl vulnerability? |
| 06:45.44 | harmaahylje | aum: /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
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| 07:13.20 | darkmutt | hi guys, a quick and simple question for You, after deleting the log files as to see a clean state what should i do to make debian log things again? |
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| 07:26.41 | abhvym | hi while trying to do make i am getting this errormake: *** /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. which package shall i install+ |
| 07:26.42 | abhvym | ? |
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| 07:27.09 | rozie | abhvym: what are you trying to make? |
| 07:27.14 | abhvym | rozie, wifi driver |
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| 07:27.33 | rozie | problably you don't have kernel headers installed for your kernel |
| 07:27.42 | rozie | (or there's a bug in makefile) |
| 07:27.54 | Doge_Funnie | Hi do I have to revoke my SSL cert or just re-key it? I need another opinion (this is rekeying http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/4976/rekeying-an-ssl-certificate ) |
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| 07:28.22 | abhvym | rozie, how do i install kernerl headers? |
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| 07:32.04 | absynth | Doge_Funnie: rekey is sufficient |
| 07:32.08 | absynth | or wait |
| 07:32.11 | absynth | no it's not |
| 07:32.22 | Doge_Funnie | o_0 |
| 07:32.33 | absynth | if someone stole the key at some point in time - they can MITM you |
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| 07:32.55 | absynth | and unless your cert is revoked, they will be able to do suo until it expires |
| 07:33.16 | Doge_Funnie | alright. I have to advice someone that has an e-commerce site |
| 07:33.20 | Doge_Funnie | advise |
| 07:33.21 | Doge_Funnie | * |
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| 07:45.37 | gXen | I upgraded my openssl to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 but my website still shows I am vulnerable when I use this test: http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/ |
| 07:45.44 | gXen | any idea what I should do? |
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| 07:48.12 | hoxu | !tell gXen about checkrestart |
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| 07:49.15 | gXen | hoxu: I rebooted the server |
| 07:49.58 | themill | gXen: openssl ≠ libssl1.0.0 |
| 07:50.18 | themill | (you probably want apt-get upgrade) |
| 07:50.58 | Axcer | Hey guys. I have a problem with mtp-tools under crunchbang. I am trying to connect my android-tab (Galaxy Tab 3 7") and it is recognized but fails to connect. Is there a better tool? |
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| 07:51.29 | gXen | themill: I did apt-get upgrade, but after that I did apt-get install openssl. I dont want to upgrade other packages in fear it will break my production server |
| 07:51.43 | themill | you shouldn't have any other packages outstanding |
| 07:51.55 | gXen | themill: when upgrading everything, it broke my dev server |
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| 07:52.06 | themill | just because the other upgrades didn't make it to slashdot doesn't mean they shouldn't be applied |
| 07:52.27 | gXen | some stuff break if i upgrade all |
| 07:52.37 | themill | it shouldn't unless you're doing insane things |
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| 07:52.52 | gXen | eg: sql 4.11 hashing breaks for example |
| 07:53.01 | talin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.31 | themill | gXen: "sql 4.11"? |
| 07:54.11 | themill | libsmokeqtsql4-3 ? version 4.11 is not in wheezy at all. |
| 07:57.18 | jelly | themill: I blame the DSA losing those ugly lists of each-and-every-binary-package and "package" prominently when it means "source package" |
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| 07:58.12 | talin | apt-get install openssl, "openssl is already the latest version" |
| 07:58.17 | talin | i am running debian 7.0 |
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| 07:58.42 | jelly | talin: All users are urged to upgrade their openssl packages (especially libssl1.0.0) and restart applications as soon as possible. |
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| 07:59.14 | jelly | talin: libssl1.0.0 is the important one |
| 08:01.13 | talin | jelly: ah, okay. i tried apt-get install libssl |
| 08:02.12 | babilen | talin: Just install *all* available updates (apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 08:02.31 | talin | babilen: sounds scary. this server is in production |
| 08:02.38 | talin | babilen: i can do that during the weekend |
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| 08:03.05 | babilen | talin: Mind pasting the output of "aptitude search '~U'" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 08:04.14 | talin | babilen: sure. http://paste.debian.net/92640/ |
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| 08:05.09 | gXen | themill: yeah, they changed the hashing algorithm as of mysql 4.1.1, i think a 16bit to 64bit hash value, making future version of mysql backwards incompatible... or something like that |
| 08:05.24 | gXen | anyway, upgrading libssl1.0.0 did the job |
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| 08:07.40 | blaubarschbube | hi. i need a hint how to manually produce any rsyslog message |
| 08:07.46 | babilen | talin: You want, at least, tzdata and I wouldn't expect any of those to be tricky. file is "Fix regression introduced in DSA-2873-1. Closes: #742262, #742265" (same for libmagic), python fixes "installation of modules in python2.7-minimal", ... (and so on) |
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| 08:09.49 | talin | babilen: but how would i upgrade them? apt-get install libssl for example doesn't work |
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| 08:11.49 | jelly | talin: again, it's called exactly libssl1.0.0 |
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| 08:12.11 | talin | libssl1.0.0 is already the newest version. |
| 08:12.19 | talin | that's what it says |
| 08:12.37 | talin | `openssl version` says: OpenSSL 1.0.1e |
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| 08:12.44 | talin | and that is an affected version, as far as i know |
| 08:12.51 | Phil-Work | talin, which Debian version are you on? |
| 08:12.54 | talin | 7.0 |
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| 08:13.04 | jelly | talin: if you can confirm that package is at 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 version, that's it for apt |
| 08:13.39 | Phil-Work | talin, Debian have patched the package rather than changed to another version |
| 08:13.42 | talin | libssh1.0.0: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 |
| 08:13.52 | talin | openssl: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 |
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| 08:14.11 | jelly | talin: show your /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste |
| 08:14.13 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:14.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:14.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell talin about wheezy sources.list |
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| 08:14.32 | gXen | talin, you should apt-get install libssl1.0.0. The version number willl stay the same, but it will upgrade libssl1.0.0 |
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| 08:14.54 | gXen | (after you've done apt-get update ofc) |
| 08:14.57 | talin | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/92646/ |
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| 08:16.04 | jelly | talin: that seems reasonable. Now pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0" and "apt-cache policy" after doing an "apt-get update" |
| 08:16.13 | mihalybak | If I have a debian server with ssh enabled, is it affected by they http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed_bug#Heartbleed_bug ?? ssh uses openssl does it not? |
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| 08:16.36 | vapula | hi, how do I solve the heartbleed issue with apache2 on wheezy ? upgrading openssl to amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 does not seem to cut it |
| 08:16.39 | jelly | mihalybak: ssh does not use TLS and is not affected |
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| 08:17.04 | gXen | vapula: also do apt-get install libssl1.0.0 |
| 08:17.17 | vapula | gXen: great, thanks, I suspected something like that |
| 08:17.18 | jelly | gXen: uh, he just said he did that |
| 08:17.26 | jelly | oh |
| 08:17.37 | mihalybak | jelly: oh okey thats good, so it mostly affects if you have a https server? |
| 08:17.41 | jelly | can't read |
| 08:17.57 | jelly | mihalybak: or any other service using SSL/TLS |
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| 08:18.25 | mihalybak | jelly: what would by default use ssl/tls? |
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| 08:19.13 | sandman13 | is downgrading from testing to wheezy possible |
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| 08:19.23 | jelly | mihalybak: what exposed services do you have? |
| 08:19.36 | jelly | sandman13: in general, no |
| 08:19.50 | talin | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/92649/ |
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| 08:19.53 | sandman13 | jelly: in general? |
| 08:19.58 | mihalybak | ssh/sftp and web some with https |
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| 08:20.47 | jelly | talin: it looks as if you have not run "aptitude install libssl1.0.0" or "apt-get install libssl1.0.0" yet |
| 08:21.08 | Tonler | I get the following error "W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553" how can I fix this? |
| 08:21.33 | babilen | talin: And you would install all upgradable packages with "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" (the latter is probably not needed) |
| 08:21.40 | jelly | sandman13: if you only upgraded a single package, there's some possibility of going back with relative ease |
| 08:22.10 | sandman13 | jelly: i was trying apt-pinning on my debian stable vm |
| 08:22.26 | jelly | sandman13: restore from backups. |
| 08:22.50 | sandman13 | don't have backups jelly |
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| 08:22.54 | jelly | sandman13: do not mix stable with anything newer (not made specifically for stable) in future |
| 08:23.12 | Vasistha | Tonler: check if you have both debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 08:23.23 | jelly | sandman13: why not? VMs are easy to clone |
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| 08:23.46 | sandman13 | jelly: i didn't think of that earlier so |
| 08:23.47 | Tonler | Vasistha: I do now |
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| 08:24.04 | Tonler | Vasistha: thank you |
| 08:24.28 | Vasistha | Tonler: np |
| 08:24.38 | vapula | gXen: works, thanks ! |
| 08:24.53 | jelly | sandman13: are you willing to pay an expert to downgrade packages on that system? How important is it? |
| 08:25.02 | gXen | vapula: your welcome |
| 08:25.12 | sandman13 | jelly: i planning to reinstall |
| 08:25.35 | Tonler | I get the following error when I do yum update http://pastebin.com/kMeLK8Vy how can I reoslve it? |
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| 08:26.14 | jelly | sandman13: ok, that's the easiest option |
| 08:26.22 | Vasistha | Tonler: maybe ask #redhat or something |
| 08:26.40 | Tonler | whoops I thought I was in the rhel |
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| 08:31.42 | btwe | Hi all, I need solution for netinstaller (from stable) to not use http (port 80) How can I configure it to use ftp, e.g. ? |
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| 08:33.15 | babilen | btwe: You can configure the mirrors being used in the expert install (haven't used anything but in ages so not sure if you can also configure that in the non-expert) |
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| 08:36.25 | depesz | how can I make apt-get upgrade not upgrade certain packages? i created /etc/apt/preferences file ( https://depesz.privatepaste.com/34e8bc7526 ) but it seems to be ignored |
| 08:36.52 | btwe | babilen, the standard non-expert version just allows to use http. will try the expert version. thx |
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| 08:47.54 | petern_ | gXen, mysql 4.1.1 ... on wheezy ... but that's... ancient. |
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| 08:53.01 | btwe | babilen, great. expert mode enables selection of protocol type. I could use ftp there, but not for the debian security repository. |
| 08:53.12 | btwe | babilen, there it sill only tries http |
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| 08:53.26 | babilen | btwe: Can't you edit that list manually too? |
| 08:53.31 | btwe | babilen, I skipped that by now. hopefully my heart will not bleed :/ |
| 08:53.40 | babilen | hasn't used anything but http(s) in a while :) |
| 08:53.45 | babilen | heh |
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| 08:54.20 | babilen | It will, but just install the updates as soon as the system is up and running (and you shouldn't have exposed services anyway) |
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| 08:55.02 | btwe | babilen, yes, will do so, thanks |
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| 08:57.06 | talin | jelly: thank you. what about "openssl" itself, not the libssl? |
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| 08:57.31 | talin | apt-get install openssl seems to work as well now |
| 08:57.38 | talin | i guess it was the apt-get update that was missing? |
| 08:57.45 | babilen | It was, yes |
| 08:57.53 | talin | thanks a lot for the help guys :-) |
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| 08:58.53 | petern_ | And really, do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:59.01 | babilen | talin: I would still recommend to install all upgrades (in due course, but ASAP) |
| 08:59.26 | talin | babilen: okay. i will do that as soon as i can. it's normally a smooth process, or does it require a lot of fixing by hand? |
| 09:00.23 | babilen | talin: It should be as smooth a process as is necessary. You will sometimes have to restart services in order for them to load new libraries (like libssl1.0.0), but that will not be done automatically/without your consent. |
| 09:00.53 | talin | babilen: sounds great |
| 09:01.36 | talin | the next step, i suppose, is to regenerate keys issued by SSL? |
| 09:01.43 | babilen | talin: You can also run "checkrestart" (from debian-goodies) which will list all running processes that are using old libraries and the init scripts and commands to restart them. |
| 09:01.55 | babilen | talin: Do not forget to revoke certs |
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| 09:02.39 | martinus__ | hi there , what means the (!) on the command line prompt after issuing update-rc.d ? |
| 09:03.09 | babilen | martinus__: Which command line? |
| 09:03.14 | martinus__ | root sheel |
| 09:03.30 | babilen | martinus__: Mine doesn't show that? Are you referring to output of a command you ran? |
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| 09:04.14 | mi11k1 | is there anybody alive and awake? |
| 09:04.17 | martinus__ | it has started to display like this : (!) root@... # after updating a startup script with update-rc.d |
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| 09:04.37 | babilen | martinus__: Could you paste your exact commands and their entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:04.57 | babilen | martinus__: And why do you use update-rc.d ? |
| 09:05.14 | martinus__ | to remove symlink in /etc/rcX.d ? |
| 09:05.27 | babilen | martinus__: What are you really trying to do? |
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| 09:05.54 | martinus__ | okay I want to remove a service init script from the starting sequence |
| 09:06.17 | babilen | martinus__: You want to disable a service? |
| 09:06.29 | martinus__ | yes |
| 09:06.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell martinus__ -about disable service |
| 09:07.08 | babilen | martinus__: So, but now back to your original question: Could you paste your commands and their output? |
| 09:07.19 | martinus__ | yes I doing it now |
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| 09:08.02 | martinus__ | here it is http://paste.debian.net/92656/ |
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| 09:09.26 | babilen | martinus__: I have no idea. Does it stay there when you issue other commands? |
| 09:09.47 | martinus__ | yes |
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| 09:13.08 | martinus__ | dpkg told me 'Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead.' , this is what I did btw |
| 09:13.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, martinus__ |
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| 09:15.25 | babilen | martinus__: Yes, I had no idea what you did as you had not yet pasted your command and its output. I am also not sure what that "(!)" is there ... :-/ |
| 09:15.45 | martinus__ | I have !! <martinus__> here it is http://paste.debian.net/92656/ |
| 09:16.07 | petern_ | Had not, at the time. |
| 09:16.19 | babilen | martinus__: Do you have anything fancy in your PS1? Might be that it indicates that the exit code of a command wasn't 0, but then that should change with subsequent commands. |
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| 09:16.42 | martinus__ | OKAY thanks I got it |
| 09:16.51 | martinus__ | it is because of etckeeper..... |
| 09:16.59 | martinus__ | forgot it was installed oon tthis box |
| 09:17.13 | babilen | And git in PS1? |
| 09:17.52 | martinus__ | # echo $PS1 |
| 09:17.53 | martinus__ | \[\e[1;31m\]$(etckeeper_unclean)\[\0 |
| 09:17.59 | martinus__ | thank you babilen |
| 09:18.08 | babilen | There you go then |
| 09:18.25 | martinus__ | doing the commit removes the mark |
| 09:18.50 | martinus__ | this seems a new feature of etckeeper btw |
| 09:18.51 | babilen | martinus__: I like "$(__git_ps1 "(%s)")" in my PS1 |
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| 09:19.51 | babilen | (and spaces around \w for easier selection of cwd for copy and pasting with a mouse) |
| 09:20.13 | babilen | will never go back to not having a space left and right of w :) |
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| 09:20.48 | martinus__ | babilen, what is $(__git_ps1 "(%s)") exactly ? |
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| 09:23.11 | babilen | martinus__: It shows information about git repositories ... let me find the documentation for it. But then, change into a git repo and run "__git_ps1" (you need to have bash-completion installed for that) |
| 09:25.47 | babilen | martinus__: http://paste.debian.net/92659/ is what I use - but where was that documented again? |
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| 09:26.58 | babilen | martinus__: Read /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt |
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| 09:27.02 | martinus__ | " where was that documented again?" it is the magic of linux |
| 09:27.06 | babilen | heh |
| 09:27.16 | martinus__ | babilen, thanks |
| 09:27.40 | babilen | adds that information to his configuration file |
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| 09:28.09 | sussudio | how do i replace a string in one of dpkg's factoids again? |
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| 09:29.25 | Vasistha | sussudio: something like: no, foo is bar |
| 09:29.37 | sussudio | hrm... |
| 09:29.45 | Vasistha | maybe I don't recall correctly |
| 09:29.50 | themill | sussudio: or just ask |
| 09:30.04 | sussudio | ask what |
| 09:30.16 | Vasistha | well that requires remembering which factoid has the info, which is not necessarily any easier |
| 09:30.17 | themill | for it to be updated -- just make the suggestino |
| 09:30.23 | sussudio | !debstats |
| 09:30.24 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian freenode) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
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| 09:30.41 | sussudio | someone replace http://debstats.dontexist.org/ with http://debstats.mooo.com/ |
| 09:30.49 | themill | sure, will do, thanks |
| 09:30.50 | sussudio | since dyndns is stopping their free service. |
| 09:31.19 | themill | is the other URL fine? |
| 09:31.22 | sussudio | yes |
| 09:31.33 | sussudio | i created it yesterday on afraid.org |
| 09:31.58 | themill | dnoe |
| 09:32.20 | sussudio | k |
| 09:32.51 | themill | sussudio: btw do you have historical data in db or flatfile form? or only the html output? |
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| 09:33.06 | petern_ | 67Most active nicks by hours < does SynrG ever sleep? :D |
| 09:33.11 | sussudio | just eggdrop logs |
| 09:33.12 | petern_ | -67 |
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| 09:33.29 | themill | sussudio: I was wondering about doing something for https://contributors.debian.org/ |
| 09:33.46 | sussudio | i should really back them up, but none of the usb sticks seem to work properly with an old usb 1.1 port. |
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| 09:34.32 | sussudio | i don't want my real name up anywhere. |
| 09:34.37 | SynrG | petern_: humm. well ... |
| 09:34.53 | themill | sussudio: that's not an issue |
| 09:35.02 | SynrG | petern_: i'm on the far east coast of north america. and am an early riser ... i do, however, sleep :) |
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| 09:35.12 | themill | sussudio: the data only gets gobbled if people "claim" it to associate it with themselves |
| 09:35.14 | sussudio | logs go back to january 21, 2003. i think i had a disk crash before that. |
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| 09:36.17 | sussudio | hm only 887MB.. most of it is gzipped, though. |
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| 09:36.46 | themill | sussudio: /msg ? |
| 09:36.55 | sussudio | umm ok |
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| 09:39.12 | SynrG | petern_: the colored bar hour ranges are too large to be able to drop one bar completely to indicate sleep. i.e. for active users whose sleep periods are misaligned with the boundaries, you'll never see one whole missing bar which you might otherwise take to indicate 'sleep' |
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| 09:39.38 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 09:39.42 | SynrG | if they were 3 hours instead of six, you would see that :) |
| 09:39.46 | cousin_luigi | How do I add a module to the initramfs? |
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| 09:42.29 | SynrG | petern_: so analyzing the freenode graph: user1 sleeps during blue+green. user2 sleeps during red+blue. user3 sleeps during green. user4 sleeps during yellow. user5 sleeps during red+blue, etc. |
| 09:43.35 | petern_ | :-) |
| 09:43.43 | SynrG | feel free to file a pisg wishlist |
| 09:44.00 | SynrG | "we need to know when users sleep, otherwise we worry for their health too much, and that keeps us up nights ..." |
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| 09:46.43 | dinduks | Hi. Is it possible to know with which parameters was a package `./configure`d? |
| 09:47.33 | dinduks | I use a debian package for a software, now I want to built it from source but keep using the same directories (source, doc, etc.) as the debian package. |
| 09:47.34 | themill | dinduks: you need to look at either the build log or the debian/rules file from the source package |
| 09:49.01 | josvuk | how to start xterm in fullscreen automatically? from inside .xinitrc doesn't work as expected. |
| 09:49.34 | SynrG | josvuk: X clients may hint to the WM how to arrange the window ... |
| 09:49.40 | SynrG | josvuk: if your wm hasn't started yet ... |
| 09:49.47 | SynrG | the hint can't be communicated |
| 09:50.18 | SynrG | josvuk: what's the WM? if it has its own autostart, use it. |
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| 09:50.34 | SynrG | josvuk: if not, you could delay the start with sleep or so :) |
| 09:50.38 | dinduks | themill: Where can I find these? I used `apt-get source` to download the source (but I find only… the sources), and with `aptitude download` the find the ready-to-install files only. |
| 09:51.01 | josvuk | the wm is gnome does it has autostart? |
| 09:51.08 | dinduks | s/the/I |
| 09:51.24 | petern_ | dinduks, yes, apt-get source. There'll be a debian/ directory in the source that controls it all. |
| 09:51.39 | SynrG | josvuk: yes. it obeys ~/.config/autostart where you can put .desktop files (or symlinks to them) |
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| 09:52.40 | dinduks | petern_: Indeed, I had to look more carefully. I'll check that out, thanks! |
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| 09:53.27 | SynrG | josvuk: if you want to do it the 'gnome way' then run gnome-session-properties |
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| 09:54.37 | themill | dinduks: btw you may well be better off modifying the debian package and rebuilding it rather than building directly from source |
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| 09:54.49 | cast | anyone know of comparisons between debian and red hat security teams in terms of vuln. response? |
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| 09:56.17 | themill | cast: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/04/08/9 |
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| 09:58.54 | cast | [i ask because there's often an implicit assumption that since red hat involves paid employees they'll be faster/better, which naturally i find...suspicious logic] |
| 10:00.46 | josvuk | SynrG: o.k thx hm why is there no man gnome? |
| 10:01.47 | dinduks | themill: Why is that? |
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| 10:02.50 | themill | dinduks: because you can make your modifications without confusing apt as to what is installed and you shouldn't need to make many changes |
| 10:03.05 | cast | themill: interesting link |
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| 10:04.09 | dinduks | themill: Okay. So I wouldn't even have to `aptitude remove` it before, right? |
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| 10:05.35 | themill | dinduks: correct, you just install the packages you've made after building them |
| 10:05.41 | themill | dpkg: tell dinduks about package recompile |
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| 10:06.48 | dinduks | wow :'( |
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| 10:07.23 | HisaoNakai | o/ I'm getting this message from apt-cache - E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 10:07.31 | x86_128 | hi |
| 10:07.37 | x86_128 | about the network install of Debian |
| 10:07.56 | x86_128 | do i end up with a console interface instead of the complete one i get from a full CD? |
| 10:08.22 | x86_128 | and... |
| 10:08.30 | ido370 | no, you can select what you want to download, so also GUI |
| 10:08.31 | x86_128 | can i choose my desktop environment of my choice? |
| 10:08.34 | themill | dinduks: you've already done most of those steps |
| 10:08.35 | x86_128 | ah |
| 10:09.19 | x86_128 | so, it's like full, but it gets most stuff from internet? |
| 10:09.27 | zetheroo | regarding the Heatbleed bug in OpenSSL - when will version 1.0.1g of OpenSSL be available in the stable repos? |
| 10:09.33 | ido370 | yes |
| 10:09.47 | themill | zetheroo: when jessie releases -- over a year |
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| 10:10.10 | zetheroo | themill: your kidding right!? :D |
| 10:10.10 | ido370 | For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5. |
| 10:10.26 | themill | zetheroo: not at all, debian tries hard not to break your existing installation by randomly upgrading libraries like that |
| 10:10.39 | x86_128 | i see... another question: if debian 8, 9, 10 comes and I use the Network install CD of today's age. Will it install debian 7 or latest? |
| 10:10.42 | ido370 | http://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2896 |
| 10:10.47 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: i think that's fairly self-explanatory ... don't you? |
| 10:11.05 | zetheroo | ido370: ok thanks! I just did an update and it grabbed a newer version of OpenSSL ... I hope that's the one |
| 10:11.10 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: if you have 'jessie' instead, make jessie the default release in your apt.conf |
| 10:11.11 | themill | HisaoNakai: also, default-release in a config file is rarely what you actually want |
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| 10:12.07 | zetheroo | I checked the version of OpenSSL before and after the update and both times it gives "1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013" |
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| 10:12.10 | zetheroo | :P |
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| 10:12.25 | SynrG | themill: no? this is what the tum factoid recommends. so if you think otherwise ... |
| 10:12.33 | x86_128 | well |
| 10:12.36 | x86_128 | i gues s7 |
| 10:12.38 | themill | zetheroo: that's not the package version and the package you want to upgrade is libssl1.0.0 not openssl. |
| 10:12.48 | x86_128 | is 7.4 the final of debian '7' series? |
| 10:12.50 | HisaoNakai | themill: I followed instructions from dpkg on 'tum' |
| 10:12.52 | themill | SynrG: yeah, I've been intending to come up with a sensible way of fixing that |
| 10:13.15 | themill | SynrG, HisaoNakai: writing a proper pinning stanza or two is the right way of doing it |
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| 10:13.29 | ido370 | All users are urged to upgrade their openssl packages (especially libssl1.0.0) it says |
| 10:13.30 | HisaoNakai | SynrG: I've used 'testing' and 'unstable' in my sources.list, not jessie/sid... |
| 10:13.43 | zetheroo | themill: well I just did "apt-get upgrade" so it took whatever there was ... how do I know if I am using the fixed version ? |
| 10:13.45 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: and you did 'apt-get update' after making the change? |
| 10:13.57 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: apt doesn't know about it until you do. |
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| 10:14.10 | themill | zetheroo: you look at the version of the package you have installed. |
| 10:14.29 | HisaoNakai | SynrG: I ran aptitude... o.o' |
| 10:14.50 | zetheroo | themill: the following packages will be updated: libssl1.0.0 openssh-client openssh-server openssl |
| 10:15.00 | themill | sounds like a good plan |
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| 10:15.11 | koollman | hi. I'm trying to find wether a bug is open on wheezy regarding troubles with update-initramfs and a noexec /var/tmp . I found 688794 mostly about /tmp noexec, but I wonder if it should be added in the same bugs or a new one |
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| 10:15.40 | koollman | (the effect is more subtle for /var/tmp, it is a warning, but the initramfs is mostly useless after it... won't boot) |
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| 10:16.34 | zetheroo | how to I check the version of a package I have currently installed on the system? |
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| 10:17.19 | koollman | zetheroo: dpkg -l openssl |
| 10:17.22 | rascal999 | zetheroo: don't rely on openssl version, debian taint packages and they have backported the openssl package |
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| 10:17.59 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: beats me. personally, i don't use Default-Release because i run either stable or unstable. |
| 10:18.11 | zetheroo | ii openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb amd64 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary |
| 10:18.13 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: and themill proposed a better way to do it anyway |
| 10:18.36 | zetheroo | So is that the version which is fixed? |
| 10:18.47 | koollman | hmm. dpkg -l will truncate version first... not good enough then :) |
| 10:18.48 | themill | zetheroo: apt-cache policy $package |
| 10:19.05 | koollman | zetheroo: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (and use apt-cache policy to check,then) |
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| 10:19.54 | zetheroo | http://paste.debian.net/92672/ |
| 10:19.58 | zetheroo | does that look good? |
| 10:20.10 | x86_128 | is 7.4 the final of debian '7' series? |
| 10:20.17 | SynrG | x86_128: no |
| 10:20.26 | SynrG | x86_128: there will be more ... |
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| 10:20.39 | HisaoNakai | SynrG: Apparently apt-get update != aptitude update in this regard. Ran the former, apt-cache works now. Thanks n_n |
| 10:20.43 | SynrG | x86_128: but if you mean 'is 7.4 the *current* of debian 7, yes.' |
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| 10:20.55 | SynrG | HisaoNakai: interesting |
| 10:21.16 | x86_128 | and if there is more... can i update my system without installing ? |
| 10:21.22 | SynrG | yes. |
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| 10:21.43 | SynrG | you can always do that, whether it is new point releases or new releases. |
| 10:21.55 | SynrG | e.g. |
| 10:22.00 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 10:22.01 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
| 10:22.03 | zetheroo | themill: is this good? http://paste.debian.net/92672/ |
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| 10:22.21 | themill | zetheroo: look at the Installed line. Compare it with the DSA. |
| 10:22.25 | SynrG | x86_128: not that i'm recommending that (as it is not released yet). but you would do that when jessie becomes the next 'stable'. |
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| 10:23.06 | zetheroo | themill: the "DSA"? |
| 10:23.16 | SynrG | x86_128: well, the exact steps are different for stable->stable upgrade (you wouldn't remove the updates and backports lines) |
| 10:23.23 | zetheroo | themill: I thought this is just a matter of updating a package ... :P |
| 10:23.32 | ido370 | Debian Security Advisory |
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| 10:23.43 | ido370 | the page i posted before |
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| 10:24.03 | zetheroo | ok |
| 10:24.38 | SynrG | (also see channel topic :) |
| 10:25.06 | zetheroo | So I have a version of this package which is newer than the version stated in the DSA as having been "fixed" |
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| 10:25.13 | x86_128 | thx |
| 10:25.19 | zetheroo | !? |
| 10:25.21 | linuxthefish | is there any easy way to pipe all email to PHP in debian? |
| 10:25.33 | peterS | zetheroo: zless /usr/share/doc/libssl1.0.0/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 10:26.08 | zetheroo | ido370: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 is newer than 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 ... right!? |
| 10:26.19 | peterS | zetheroo: zless /usr/share/doc/libssl1.0.0/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 10:26.31 | themill | zetheroo: yes, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 is newer than 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 10:26.40 | ido370 | yes :S |
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| 10:26.45 | SynrG | and neither version is vulnerable |
| 10:26.51 | zetheroo | gr8 |
| 10:26.52 | themill | zetheroo: and yes, it is just a matter of updating the package, but you asked "how do I know if it is fixed" |
| 10:27.04 | zetheroo | themill: yes, thanks! :) |
| 10:27.29 | zetheroo | peterS: thanks - that's cool! |
| 10:27.48 | SynrG | and libssl1.0.0? |
| 10:28.02 | peterS | although really "how do I know if it is fixed" is not just dpkg -l. as with many library package updates, system services can continue to use the old copy of the library long after the new one has been installed |
| 10:28.14 | SynrG | openssl != libssl1.0.0 |
| 10:28.18 | SynrG | and it doesn't have a versioned depends |
| 10:28.57 | SynrG | normally just 'apt-get update' (provided you have a security line in your sources.list) fixes you up |
| 10:29.05 | SynrG | upgrade*** |
| 10:29.24 | themill | zetheroo: indeed, as peterS says, you also need to restart any daemons using the library (and rebooting is the simplest way of doing that) |
| 10:29.25 | workingcats | peterS, theres a tool to check for this for debian isnt there? |
| 10:29.35 | themill | workingcats: checkrestart |
| 10:29.40 | workingcats | check%something that escapes.. that's the one |
| 10:29.41 | workingcats | tyvm |
| 10:29.53 | SynrG | themill: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 has a postinst that will prompt you to restart services |
| 10:30.06 | peterS | right, it's in the 'debian-goodies' package, which I don't know how many systems have that installed |
| 10:30.08 | themill | SynrG: except for all the ones it misses |
| 10:30.14 | themill | like apache2 |
| 10:30.16 | SynrG | ah |
| 10:30.21 | SynrG | damn |
| 10:30.37 | SynrG | such an obvious oversight. why? |
| 10:30.54 | absynth | it doesn't miss apache2 |
| 10:30.58 | peterS | SynrG: yeah it was 1 for 2 on the system I last upgraded. it wanted to restart ssh (fine, but irrelevant in the present case as ssh was not affected by the bug) and some daemon that might have mattered - but it missed apache2, which was what I really cared about |
| 10:31.03 | zetheroo | themill: sure, rebooting now |
| 10:31.34 | themill | SynrG: apache2.2-common in wheezy vs apache2-common in sid; it's a "common package list" not a "walk /proc to find everything that is missing" tool |
| 10:31.46 | SynrG | hmph |
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| 10:35.32 | peterS | if you don't have checkrestart it's not hard to do a fair approximation: sudo grep libssl.*deleted /proc/*/maps | awk -F/ '{print $3}' | sort -u | xargs ps |
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| 10:36.22 | nf7 | Does anyone use a better file manager than nautilus? Does anything more similar to Finder in OSX exist? |
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| 10:36.56 | peterS | or to be slightly more specific: sudo fgrep 'libssl.so.1.0.0 (deleted)' /proc/*/maps | awk -F/ '{print $3}' | sort -u | xargs ps |
| 10:36.59 | ido370 | thunar? |
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| 10:38.10 | nf7 | ido370: Let me check it out. |
| 10:38.15 | nf7 | ido370: What do you use? |
| 10:38.17 | dgeary2 | when is the openssl package which is patched for heartbleed expected to be available in one of the wheezy stable repositories? |
| 10:38.35 | ido370 | i am using thunar :) |
| 10:38.48 | peterS | dgeary2: eh? it was released yesterday, read about it on security.debian.org |
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| 10:39.26 | colo-work | libssl1.0.0 contains this shared object: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openssl-1.0.0/engines/libgmp.so - however, openssl reports "invalid engine" when I try to use gmp as its engine (via `openssl speed -engine gmp`, for example) |
| 10:39.29 | colo-work | why? |
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| 10:42.01 | peterS | colo-work: my copy of openssl gives some debug info to answer the question: it can't load libgmp.so because "undefined symbol: bind_engine" |
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| 10:43.37 | dontknow | i have netinstall installation stuff. i want to install debian using advanced installer. but fist i want to use command line and set up partitions and after that start advanced installer using a command like "advanced-install" or whatever. is it possible? |
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| 10:44.00 | colo-work | peterS, mine can't load because it doesn't find the .so |
| 10:44.19 | dgeary2 | peterS, my sources.list refers to wheezy, wheezy-updates, wheezy-proposed-updates, and wheezy-backports and an 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' does not show openssl update available. i have openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 currently installed. |
| 10:44.46 | peterS | dgeary2: oh, read the front page of security.debian.org then, it suggests the correct apt source line for the security repository |
| 10:45.12 | dgeary2 | peterS, i am blind. thank you. |
| 10:45.22 | peterS | as for when the fixed packages will be copied from the security repository to proposed-updates, I don't know how often that is done |
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| 10:45.52 | petern_ | Running without security updates is a good way of not getting security updates. |
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| 10:46.02 | ksk | hey. is it possible to protect an internal (debian)repo with a password somehow? |
| 10:46.34 | peterS | ksk: sure. put 'deb http://user:password@internal.dns.name/....' in sources.list |
| 10:46.51 | ksk | peterS: ah okay. thx |
| 10:47.02 | peterS | ksk: and serve the repository with a web server that uses basic auth (don't know offhand if other auth schemes are supported by apt) |
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| 10:47.40 | peterS | ksk: also, fair warning, it won't work with apt-cacher-ng, don't know about other proxies |
| 10:49.22 | absynth | with apng, you could just give the repo a really, really cryptic url |
| 10:49.25 | absynth | that is hard to guess |
| 10:49.26 | peterS | ksk: (if you want to use a proxy for some but not all sources.list entries, you can do this in apt.conf: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://my.proxy.server:8080"; Acquire::http::Proxy::my.internal.apt.server DIRECT; |
| 10:49.28 | norberhuis | What is your opinion on ccrypt? |
| 10:49.31 | absynth | such as md5("username:password") |
| 10:49.53 | peterS | absynth: ^^^^ |
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| 10:50.32 | absynth | yes? |
| 10:50.57 | peterS | absynth: just pointing at how you can use a proxy server but not for the specific source that has a user+password. given that this is likely to be on your internal LAN anyway, it's a good solution. |
| 10:51.06 | absynth | yeah |
| 10:51.41 | peterS | and yes I knew this offhand because I've had to solve this exact problem (: |
| 10:51.44 | LordDeath | did Debian release another *ssl update with additional checks for running daemons? |
| 10:52.04 | LordDeath | today's update just asked me to restart postfix, fetchmail and sshd |
| 10:52.11 | absynth | yes |
| 10:52.19 | absynth | that's the ...u6 package for openssl and libssl |
| 10:52.31 | absynth | the u5 package of yesterday failed to check for restart |
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| 10:52.43 | linuxthefish | is debian6 still ok? |
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| 10:52.44 | peterS | yes. sshd is a false positive - it uses the library, but the specific vulnerability that was patched did not affect ssh |
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| 10:53.12 | LordDeath | will the u6 update get an other security advisory? |
| 10:53.18 | SynrG | linuxthefish: squeeze is ok. uses an ancient implementation of openssl that doesn't support the affected protocols. |
| 10:53.24 | peterS | no, it already got a separate email to the debian security list |
| 10:53.39 | SynrG | linuxthefish: read the DSA itself. it says this |
| 10:53.52 | linuxthefish | is it ok to use overall? |
| 10:54.11 | babilen | linuxthefish: Right now? Yes. |
| 10:54.16 | SynrG | squeeze? well, TLS 1.0 is weaker than TLS 1.2, so i don't recommend it for production servers |
| 10:54.31 | peterS | debian 6 is just as safe with security updates as Windows XP |
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| 10:54.46 | linuxthefish | my VPS provider dosn't support debian 7 :/ |
| 10:54.53 | SynrG | sad for you |
| 10:55.00 | cast | get a new VPS provider :\ |
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| 10:55.02 | SynrG | it's as safe as it can be, then, given that constraint |
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| 10:55.24 | SynrG | read up on TLS if you want to know the actual risks |
| 10:55.30 | peterS | actually maybe Debian 6 is less safe than Windows XP. security support has been missing for much longer. |
| 10:55.49 | cast | also, on setting up PFS with openssl :) |
| 10:55.52 | SynrG | peterS: security support 'missing'? huh? |
| 10:56.27 | peterS | SynrG: oh yeah, if you're living in a debian world maybe you didn't hear that Windows XP reached end of support life yesterday. it was big news in other IT circles. |
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| 10:56.40 | SynrG | peterS: no, i know about that. |
| 10:56.55 | peterS | Debian 6 reached its end of life, what was it, a month ago? |
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| 10:58.07 | babilen | peterS: I don't think that qualifies for "much longer" -- i mean arguably "one day" is infinitely longer than "still supported" but still :) |
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| 10:59.12 | peterS | babilen: I just mean a month or two is much longer than a day. anyway, with everyone going crazy about how Windows XP has to go away NOW NOW NOW because it's suddenly so much worse than it was yesterday ... it all seemed a bit surreal to me. I mean we have a lot of squeeze installs at my work place and nobody freaked out about those. |
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| 10:59.48 | Baah | hi |
| 10:59.49 | babilen | peterS: squeeze is still supported |
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| 11:00.16 | linuxthefish | until how long? |
| 11:00.20 | babilen | peterS: And might be for some time to come: http://bits.debian.org/2014/03/working-on-squeeze-lts.html |
| 11:00.22 | linuxthefish | i need debian 7 :( |
| 11:00.22 | themill | another month unless the long term support plan works out |
| 11:00.27 | babilen | linuxthefish: At least until May |
| 11:00.30 | peterS | did I get my timeline wrong? I thought it had gone EOL already |
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| 11:00.32 | SynrG | peterS: i don't see that it's not supported. example: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2894 |
| 11:00.33 | linuxthefish | thank you |
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| 11:00.50 | linuxthefish | also debian6 is the only one with old php lol |
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| 11:01.30 | SynrG | linuxthefish: and this is a *good* thing? |
| 11:01.30 | themill | linuxthefish: you need to either fix your php or fix the project by rewriting in something less insane |
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| 11:01.47 | SynrG | srsly |
| 11:01.57 | linuxthefish | it's some PHP software and developer dosn't want to rewrite |
| 11:01.58 | linuxthefish | sorry |
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| 11:02.30 | themill | If a php developer doesn't want to maintain their code responsibly then that's just another reason to run away from it as fast as you can |
| 11:02.41 | linuxthefish | o |
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| 11:02.57 | babilen | It's *always* PHP. I sometimes think that PHP upstream does it on purpose and is simply addicted to sysadmin tears (/me ships himself off to offtopic now) |
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| 11:03.42 | themill | linuxthefish: I'm fully aware that's easier said than done, but running code that no-one is going to take some responsibility for isn't good. Given the normal quality of php code, it will need maintenance... |
| 11:03.50 | babilen | But then, if even upstream EOLed versions and developers still insist that they need that particular X.Y.Z.A version then something is seriously wrong. |
| 11:04.08 | daniel-s_ | Hi there. I have recently acquired a problem. All networking on my laptop turns off about 5 mins into being turned on. |
| 11:04.14 | daniel-s_ | Is this a common bug? |
| 11:04.19 | nkuttler | daniel-s_: no |
| 11:04.27 | themill | daniel-s_: do you suddenly find your productivity improve? |
| 11:04.52 | daniel-s_ | themill: Still doesn't count as a feature. |
| 11:05.00 | gele | daniel-s: all networking? even wired? |
| 11:05.03 | themill | :) |
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| 11:05.20 | daniel-s_ | gele: I think so, just from looking at network manager, but I haven't tested it. |
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| 11:05.32 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: have you tried offering that developer.. money? |
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| 11:05.47 | absynth | i guess it#s some crappy gallery script or "cms" :D |
| 11:05.51 | linuxthefish | nkuttler i alreasy pay |
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| 11:06.11 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: i guess it sounds like it's not enough |
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| 11:06.20 | linuxthefish | :( |
| 11:06.35 | themill | sounds like a business model |
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| 11:06.59 | nkuttler | i have written some php code i absolutely don't want to touch any more, unless paid loads of money |
| 11:07.11 | themill | *snap* |
| 11:07.22 | SynrG | we moved this to OT? *blink* ... |
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| 11:07.53 | nkuttler | SynrG: still about solutions for a technical problem |
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| 11:09.47 | Baah | Hi ! i try to start a systemd service after network is up. I've done the common way http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ but still doesn't work. Any idea ? |
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| 11:10.22 | nkuttler | !tell Baah about errors |
| 11:11.38 | Baah | my service write the ip address of eth0 in file. but it's started before etho is up |
| 11:11.53 | Baah | no error |
| 11:12.36 | linuxthefish | is there a debian mailing list? |
| 11:12.48 | Nik05 | yes |
| 11:12.57 | linuxthefish | i need to signup immedietly |
| 11:13.09 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: there are many |
| 11:13.18 | linuxthefish | any that send emails |
| 11:13.27 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: many |
| 11:13.39 | nkuttler | !tell linuxthefish about mailing lists |
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| 11:14.30 | linuxthefish | thanks |
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| 11:15.36 | linuxthefish | yey thanks |
| 11:15.37 | linuxthefish | it works |
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| 11:16.20 | linuxthefish | debhelper why you do this |
| 11:17.09 | nkuttler | linuxthefish: it's a security thing |
| 11:17.15 | linuxthefish | O.o |
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| 11:18.12 | babilen | And debhelper is a bot |
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| 11:19.32 | Baah | no one knows systemd ? |
| 11:20.01 | ido370 | what´s to know about? :) |
| 11:20.18 | nkuttler | Baah: i know it's not production ready yet |
| 11:20.58 | themill | there's lots of people using it but probably haven't looked at that sort of thing yet |
| 11:20.58 | ido370 | technology preview stuff ;) |
| 11:21.18 | themill | Baah: you might want to tell us which version of systemd you're using |
| 11:22.07 | themill | (and also pastebin the service file) |
| 11:22.34 | Baah | version 44 |
| 11:23.24 | themill | That's running a long way behind the current state of the art and may well not match the documentation. A newer version is in wheezy-backports. |
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| 11:25.33 | Baah | http://pastebin.com/kAdjQPgB |
| 11:25.59 | Baah | i am on raspbian on raspberry pi |
| 11:26.08 | petern_ | Heh, I installed systemd and systemd-sysv at some point, but something must have put sysvinit back... |
| 11:26.26 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 11:26.27 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 11:26.56 | rozie | and don't use systemd ;) |
| 11:27.25 | jpw | ooh controversial. |
| 11:27.44 | Baah | and i did a mistake in my pastebin the .sh filname dont match but mine yes |
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| 11:28.40 | Baah | but THE USE of systemd is the same on debian and raspian no ? |
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| 11:29.21 | jpw | yes but no the implemtation could be different. |
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| 11:29.45 | jpw | as the bot suggests head over to #raspbian they will be happy to help. |
| 11:29.46 | SynrG | Baah: please don't argue why we have chosen to only support debian, and use the support channel for your distribution. thanks |
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| 11:30.13 | themill | Baah: and we'd recommend that you upgrade to a newer version but I don't know if that is possible with raspbian -- please ask #raspbian for raspbian support. |
| 11:30.27 | Baah | kk ty |
| 11:30.31 | SynrG | np. good luck |
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| 11:41.07 | ksk | is there some way to remotly check if a server is vuln to the recent opensslbug easily? eg id like to know if my remote access card is affected |
| 11:41.39 | samskiter | filippo.io/Heartbleed ? |
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| 11:42.52 | bezaban | openssl version |
| 11:43.20 | samskiter | yea thats a better solution :P |
| 11:43.49 | ksk | i dont have access to a unrestricted shell to do that on the RAC ( if thats what you are suggesting) |
| 11:43.51 | SynrG | better how? |
| 11:44.02 | SynrG | knowing your openssl version does not prove you're not vulnerable |
| 11:44.14 | themill | bezaban, samskiter: no that's checking the wrong thing in the wrong package. |
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| 11:44.23 | SynrG | !dsa2896 |
| 11:44.23 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». Users of jessie will need to manually grab updated packages from sid. See also http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 11:44.49 | peterS | huh, why does the bot not just say 'dpkg -l libssl1.0.0|cat' |
| 11:44.58 | peterS | the aptitude versions thing seems a lot more complicated |
| 11:44.59 | themill | dpkg, dsa2896 =~ s/Users of jessie will need to manually grab updated packages from sid. // |
| 11:44.59 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 11:45.10 | SynrG | it's not quite that simple either |
| 11:45.26 | themill | peterS: because libssl 1.0.0 is not the only package that wants upgrading |
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| 11:45.42 | SynrG | peterS: the actual instructions say to check everything with the *source* package openssl |
| 11:45.43 | bezaban | ah right |
| 11:45.43 | peterS | themill: huh? what other packages are affected by dsa 2896? |
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| 11:46.21 | themill | peterS: I wouldn't want to have version skew between libssl1.0.0 and the rest of the packages there. They may or may not be affected by heatbeat, but I wouldn't trust them. |
| 11:46.34 | themill | ,binaries openssl |
| 11:46.35 | rozie | SynrG: AFAIK if they were built proper way, they should use openssl in system, not it's own implemetntation... |
| 11:46.35 | judd | Source openssl in wheezy: Binaries: libssl-doc, openssl, libssl-dev, libssl1.0.0, libssl1.0.0-dbg |
| 11:46.35 | kensanata | Do I just follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys after upgrading? |
| 11:47.01 | SynrG | rozie: eh? this was not my point |
| 11:47.08 | peterS | I would. it's clear the openssl package is not affected, and libssl-dev is tightly tied to its underlying library package (most such -dev packages are, or should be). |
| 11:47.13 | SynrG | rozie: the source package openssl builds multiple debs |
| 11:47.34 | peterS | so yeah, libssl1.0.0 is the one you need to care about |
| 11:47.44 | SynrG | peterS: valid point. it's just about good housekeeping |
| 11:47.48 | samskiter | so, we just ran an update on Debian Wheezy to fix the open SSL bug and now getting “waiting for root filesystem” and got chucked to the initramfs command line. seems im looking at some grub configuration problem. everything is specified by UUID in the grub config but i cant seem to find one of the UUIDs doing blkid. is the UUID in: “linux /vmlinuz-XXXXX root=UUID=XXXXX ro” a partition UUID? if so, how do i list my partition U |
| 11:47.51 | themill | peterS: if nothing other than because there's enough misinformation out there that people should check the version of their openssl package which is plain wrong. |
| 11:48.21 | rozie | samskiter: blkid |
| 11:48.44 | samskiter | rozie: in that case the UUID simply doesn’t exist. how could this happen? I didnt configure this server in the first place |
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| 11:49.26 | ivee | ohai |
| 11:49.27 | rozie | samskiter: ask one, who configured it |
| 11:49.28 | ivee | So erm... |
| 11:49.32 | themill | peterS: that command is also partly to prod people into understanding that they need to upgrade things other than the "openssl" package -- we've had dozens of people today who have *only* upgraded that package and are then complaining that the fix is not correct. |
| 11:49.52 | peterS | themill: be that as it may, 'aptitude versions' is not going to tell you about how to restart the services you missed |
| 11:49.56 | ivee | When /sys/bus/platform/devices/coretemp.0/temp2_crit_alarm changes to 1 what happens? Is that what halts the system when the CPU hits critical temp? |
| 11:50.10 | themill | peterS: you could add "and reboot the bloody thing" to the end ;) |
| 11:50.18 | samskiter | rozie: not possible unfortunately. would some kernel update cause some UUID mismatch along the way? |
| 11:50.21 | samskiter | could* |
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| 11:50.27 | rozie | samskiter: or just set up new system and restore data from backup |
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| 11:50.54 | rozie | samskiter: no, never seen such a problem with kernel update. not even on testing/unstable |
| 11:51.12 | peterS | I'd say more likely than a uuid mismatch is a lack of a driver such that the disk your root filesystem is on is itself not seen by the kernel |
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| 11:51.41 | rozie | samskiter: you can play with grub-update and assing UUID to partition |
| 11:51.45 | rozie | may work |
| 11:51.52 | samskiter | rozie: & peterS: that seems more likely. we cant mnt the device from initramfs |
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| 11:52.08 | samskiter | (should we be able to?) |
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| 11:52.39 | peterS | yeah 'mount' in initramfs should work more or less the same as it works on the live system |
| 11:52.55 | ivee | When /sys/bus/platform/devices/coretemp.0/temp2_crit_alarm changes to 1 what happens? Is that what halts the system when the CPU hits critical temp? |
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| 11:53.08 | samskiter | right. so thats the next line of enquiry. am i better hitting another IRC channel to continue this? |
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| 11:53.44 | samskiter | getting a “failed :no such device” error |
| 11:54.22 | peterS | samskiter: what I would do at this point is boot the debian wheezy install CD in 'rescue mode', let it detect disks and filesystems, find your root filesystem, mount it, then go into a chroot environment |
| 11:54.25 | HiDeHo | hi all i am doing a debian net install i am jst wanting to know what desktop does it install by default |
| 11:54.39 | peterS | and there, try 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-{something}' |
| 11:55.04 | peterS | which regenerates the initramfs (the linux kernel package in question depends on your installation, use 'dpkg -l linux-image\*' to see them) |
| 11:55.05 | jpw | HiDeHo: Gnome |
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| 11:55.34 | somiaj | HiDeHo: at the end of installing the base system it reboots and gives you an option to select various tasks to install. If you select desktop enviorment it is gnome, but I belive you can go into submenus and select otehr de's there. |
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| 11:56.07 | themill | HiDeHo: you can select a range of DEs from the initial boot screen |
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| 11:56.46 | HiDeHo | i am in the software selection it has desktop environment option but not what desktop |
| 11:57.02 | samskiter | peterS: thanks for the advice… might be back in a while |
| 11:57.21 | HiDeHo | i am still on the cd doing the initial install now |
| 11:57.28 | somiaj | HiDeHo: that is gnome, I think you have to find a submenu of somesorts to get other choices. |
| 11:57.56 | somiaj | HiDeHo: you can also not select any DE, and then use apt to install exctally what you want after the base system is installed |
| 11:58.12 | ivee | :/ |
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| 12:00.56 | HiDeHo | yea |
| 12:01.24 | HiDeHo | this is mainly to set up a server but i need a gui to operate it as i dot know gui that well |
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| 12:03.09 | HiDeHo | so i an use "sudo apt-get install kde" later on |
| 12:03.22 | themill | dpkg: tell HiDeHo about install kde |
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| 12:05.00 | samskiter | peterS: yea, just noticed “module ehci-hcd not found in modules.dep” |
| 12:05.09 | samskiter | looks like something driver related…. |
| 12:05.30 | peterS | well that's USB 2.0, which is unlikely to be related to your root filesystem |
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| 12:05.36 | peterS | I mean unless your disks really are USB |
| 12:05.56 | peterS | but that error may point to other problems |
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| 12:06.36 | HiDeHo | themill: oops my bad i wanted xfce not kde |
| 12:06.42 | HiDeHo | kde is too bloted |
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| 12:07.56 | samskiter | yes. seems fair. the errors just above are “/dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxx does not exist.” |
| 12:08.27 | beardy | Please don't run KDE on your server.. *goes crying in the corner* |
| 12:09.06 | HiDeHo | i will use xfce if anything on this |
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| 12:09.44 | abrotman | waves at stew, go sox! |
| 12:09.49 | peterS | samskiter: try things like 'cat /proc/partitions' to determine whether your expected disk even shows up at all |
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| 12:13.44 | samskiter | peterS: blkid doesnt show the UUID in question. /proc/partitions shows a bunch of sdXY. i dont know what sdXY it should be at. |
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| 12:15.51 | ivee | When /sys/bus/platform/devices/coretemp.0/temp2_crit_alarm changes to 1 what happens? Is that what halts the system when the CPU hits critical temp? |
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| 12:23.24 | HiDeHo | hi all i am just running first time install of debian cli. how do i make the login prompt bigger its so small adn not easily to read |
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| 12:27.00 | hero | HiDeHo: if I am not wrong, GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub is what you need to adjust. |
| 12:27.03 | andreicek | hi guys, is anyone interested in a cupon for unixstickers.com I got it and won't use it |
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| 12:29.31 | beardy | HiDeHo: 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' as root |
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| 12:29.40 | HiDeHo | hero: this is not for grub its for the cli login prompt |
| 12:30.20 | beardy | HiDeHo: So you have to manage to login first, and run that.. |
| 12:30.54 | HiDeHo | thanks beardy |
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| 12:33.00 | beardy | HiDeHo: I like TerminusBold 12x24 personally, on my box attached to my tv. Experiment :) |
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| 12:44.58 | ivee | Why is this not working? |
| 12:45.10 | ivee | sar | mail -s 'CPU Usage Report for host 10.1.1.2' example@example.com |
| 12:45.27 | ivee | It works when I pipe echo "test" |
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| 12:47.55 | ivee | I need a response pls! |
| 12:47.57 | ivee | :/ |
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| 12:49.05 | jelly | ivee: does sar on its own work? |
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| 12:50.22 | ivee | jelly: Yes |
| 12:50.50 | petern_ | Can you describe "not working"? |
| 12:51.20 | ivee | petern_: it's simple |
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| 12:51.24 | ivee | it's not doing anything |
| 12:51.26 | ivee | at all |
| 12:52.20 | ChrisH | ivee: does sar > /tmp/test work? |
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| 12:53.06 | ivee | Yep |
| 12:53.07 | ivee | s98259@felicia ~ % cat /tmp/test |
| 12:53.10 | ivee | Linux 3.13-1-686-pae (felicia.openpathway.net) 09/04/14 _i686_ (2 CPU) |
| 12:53.11 | samskiter | does set root= followed by search —set=root cause “root” to be set twice? |
| 12:53.21 | samskiter | (in grub) |
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| 12:54.10 | samskiter | i.e. is the first call to “set root=“ redundant if following by a “search —set=root” |
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| 12:55.00 | ChrisH | ivee: just an idea: sar | cat - | mail -s 'CPU Usage Report for host 10.1.1.2' example@example.com |
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| 12:55.33 | ivee | ChrisH: tried already, didn't work |
| 12:55.51 | ChrisH | ivee: then I am donw with my ideas. |
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| 12:56.24 | ivee | :/ |
| 12:56.28 | abrotman | ivee: no output at all? or garbled? |
| 12:56.32 | ivee | no |
| 12:56.35 | ivee | no output |
| 12:56.48 | ivee | shoots her system |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | ivee: redirect all output to that .. |
| 12:56.59 | ivee | abrotman: To what and how? |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
| 12:58.32 | abrotman | Just a thought |
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| 13:02.29 | NetScr1be | good morning |
| 13:03.17 | NetScr1be | trying to install debian on a Sony Vaio laptop using netinst iso via USB |
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| 13:03.30 | NetScr1be | it fails to find cdrom |
| 13:03.36 | NetScr1be | drop to shell |
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| 13:03.49 | zykotick9 | NetScr1be: did you use unetbootin to create the USB? |
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| 13:04.06 | NetScr1be | mount /dev/sdb cdrom fails with no such file/directory |
| 13:04.19 | somiaj | NetScr1be: answer zykotick9 question, how did you create your usb device? |
| 13:04.26 | NetScr1be | no used universal usb installer |
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| 13:04.49 | somiaj | debian's images are already bootable and lots of these tools mess with that causing problems |
| 13:04.57 | ChrisH | NetScr1be: what is "universal usb installer" somehting other then cp or dd ? |
| 13:04.58 | somiaj | !tell NetScr1be about usb install |
| 13:05.24 | NetScr1be | ChrisH it's a Windows utility |
| 13:05.38 | somiaj | NetScr1be: that factoid I sent you has a link for a win32 image writer that will work. You need something that does a byte per byte copy (not try to make it bootable iteslf) |
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| 13:06.35 | NetScr1be | I might be a dumbass |
| 13:07.04 | NetScr1be | I used that method to install for this laptop and it worked fine |
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| 13:07.39 | somiaj | NetScr1be: no this is a common issue. Debian images are designed to be bootable from cdrom or usb. Lots of tools don't expect this mess with the image when putting it on the usb stick. Hence you should use the suggest win32 image writter I linked you. |
| 13:07.43 | NetScr1be | but I haven't tried creating the the USB install using this laptop (i.e. from Debian) |
| 13:08.06 | NetScr1be | will try somiaj - thanks everyone |
| 13:08.19 | NetScr1be | stay tuned for results |
| 13:09.11 | ivee | this is annoying |
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| 13:11.36 | ivee | right so sar > /tmp/sar redirects to stdout, right? which means that < /tmp/sar would redirect to stdin. I am not sure how to implement this in my sendmail script. :/ |
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| 13:16.10 | iAdam1n | How do I set a user password? I can login as root to do it |
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| 13:16.45 | iAdam1n | nvm |
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| 13:20.55 | ChrisH | ivee: sar > /tmp/sar ; mailx -s "XXX" user@domain < tmp/sar |
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| 13:22.01 | ivee | ChrisH: I already tried that, it's not working |
| 13:22.21 | ivee | I can send an email by piping the echo command so I know the MTA works fine |
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| 13:24.26 | ChrisH | ivee: show the script on paste.debian.net |
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| 13:26.41 | ivee | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/dGJsBQHT |
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| 13:35.33 | ChrisH | ivee: No one here will look into pastebin.com ... Plese use paste.debian.net |
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| 13:37.45 | ivee | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/92708/ |
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| 13:39.36 | slooth | Hello, I am using debian - jessie and I can't install cairo-dock (after apt-get update and upgrade): http://pastebin.com/LxZkVSdh |
| 13:39.39 | slooth | What should I do? |
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| 13:41.03 | ivee | Why do men always have their hands down their pants? |
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| 13:41.10 | ivee | are they worried their dick is gonna drop off? |
| 13:41.15 | ivee | checking to see if it's still there? |
| 13:41.22 | ivee | playing with it? smelling their fingers? |
| 13:41.39 | ivee | wrong channel |
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| 13:41.45 | ivee | my apologies |
| 13:41.47 | ioudas2 | Does anyone have any experience with 802.11 states and linux(debian)/meru controllers? I have a rtl 8192cu chipset which keeps dropping from meru AP's during no movement. The devices initate a deauth frame, drop wireless and then reconnect after bouncing around 5 ap's. regardless of how close they are to the AP. According to the meru logs that is. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 13:42.44 | ChrisH | ivee: put that into a file and test it. paste the output again. http://paste.debian.net/92711/ |
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| 13:44.23 | ivee | ChrisH: Didn't work also it can't be outputting to the TTY because I am going to be using this with crontab. |
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| 13:45.56 | ivee | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/92712/ |
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| 13:50.53 | ChrisH | ivee: line 49 is strange |
| 13:51.29 | ChrisH | ivee: You are mentioning cron here for the first time! cron make everyhing different |
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| 13:54.20 | ivee | ChrisH: oh |
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| 13:56.13 | sha0 | should i use apt-get or aptitude ? |
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| 13:56.34 | jelly | sha0: for daily usage, aptitude |
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| 13:59.40 | ring3 | aptitude will install 1 packet and apt-get will install 50 packets |
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| 14:00.11 | SynrG | ring3: depends on what you asked it to do. what were the two commands? |
| 14:00.18 | petn-randall | ring3: If you do what? |
| 14:00.36 | ring3 | i did an update on apt-get and aptitude |
| 14:00.48 | ring3 | and then installing de ssl lib |
| 14:00.48 | SynrG | update doesn't upgrade anything |
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| 14:00.59 | ring3 | apt-get says to change kernel, and aptitdue no |
| 14:01.19 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:01.22 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:01.24 | SynrG | yes. exactly :) |
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| 14:01.57 | petn-randall | ring3: ^^^ Could you please provide the commands and their pastes? |
| 14:02.19 | T60 | HEllo, I am having a double capslock problem. HOw can I stop it? THe capslock is slow to turn off, so the first two letters of a sentence become capitalized. DOes DEbian have an issue with this? |
| 14:03.06 | SynrG | sounds like something is getting hammered with events and losing some |
| 14:03.25 | SynrG | check the logs? dmesg? /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 14:03.40 | SynrG | does it happen only in X, or in console too? |
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| 14:04.32 | jelly | T60: do you really use caps lock to capitalize first letters of sentences, and not shift? |
| 14:04.55 | T60 | How I didn't know you could do that, but shift has the same problem I think, let me check |
| 14:04.58 | T60 | wow* |
| 14:05.05 | jelly | blinks |
| 14:05.29 | gabedain | T60: Do you happen to have a non-English keyboard? This only seems to happen with non-English layouts. |
| 14:05.30 | T60 | I heard of people using shift and caplocks at the same time, but not shift alone |
| 14:05.49 | T60 | gabedain: I'm using an ENglish keyboard |
| 14:05.58 | T60 | ^it happens with shift |
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| 14:06.20 | jpw | is the keyboard wire |
| 14:06.24 | jpw | wireless? |
| 14:06.36 | T60 | No, I'm just using my T60 alone |
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| 14:07.49 | SynrG | and did you check any of the things i suggested checking? |
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| 14:08.04 | T60 | Synrg: SOrry, what did you want me to look for in dmseg |
| 14:08.12 | SynrG | look for any issues with evdev, for example |
| 14:08.15 | SynrG | or 'events' |
| 14:08.18 | SynrG | or 'input' |
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| 14:08.44 | T60 | I will do that |
| 14:08.56 | ioudas2 | Does anyone have any experience with 802.11 states and linux(debian)/meru controllers? I have a rtl 8192cu chipset which keeps dropping from meru AP's during no movement. The devices initate a deauth frame, drop wireless and then reconnect after bouncing around 5 ap's. regardless of how close they are to the AP. According to the meru logs that is. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 14:11.27 | T60 | SYnrG: THere was nothing about event and inputs |
| 14:11.39 | T60 | SynrG: |
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| 14:12.09 | T60 | going into var logs |
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| 14:13.08 | gabedain | T60: You might want to look at these bug reports: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27903 and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56491. It seems that Xorg has been patched to fix this error, but the following patch to fix the keymap still needs to be applied: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=69187. |
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| 14:14.10 | T60 | FOrgive my incompetence, but how would I patch XOrg? |
| 14:14.44 | SynrG | you wouldn't |
| 14:14.54 | gabedain | T60: well... This is a patch for the sources, so you would have to download the current source from the repository, apply the patch, and then compile it. So yeah, as SynrG said, you wouldn't. |
| 14:14.55 | SynrG | just the keymap |
| 14:15.18 | SynrG | well, no, there's nothing there you can do. |
| 14:15.26 | SynrG | any debian bug to xref this i wonder? |
| 14:16.04 | babilen | is sure the Xorg pkg team would appreciate a report with the aforementioned references |
| 14:16.16 | average | SynrG: xmodmap you mean ? |
| 14:16.31 | T60 | DO you think that changing the OS will fix my issue? |
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| 14:17.21 | SynrG | average: mean by which statement? i was mistaken |
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| 14:18.10 | average | 17:15 < SynrG> just the keymap |
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| 14:18.41 | SynrG | average: don't know what i was thinking. just a misreading of the bug. there's nothing the user can do |
| 14:19.29 | T60 | I cannot locate where I can patch XOrg |
| 14:19.42 | gabedain | T60: It seems like a problem with Xorg, not your OS, so as long as you are using Xorg, this might still be a problem for you. |
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| 14:19.48 | DrFoo | I can't boot to my Debian 7 machine. Grub can't find a file... and I'm in grub rescue. |
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| 14:20.12 | T60 | ;~; |
| 14:20.33 | gabedain | T60: Do you have any other keyboards to test this with? |
| 14:20.57 | gabedain | T60: nevermind, just realised you're on a laptop. |
| 14:21.17 | ChrisH | ivee: quick fix: replace all binary names with there absolue path. But it should work first. |
| 14:21.24 | T60 | yes, i'll test it rightnow |
| 14:21.24 | T60 | oh, ok |
| 14:21.54 | gabedain | T60: It's worth a try, if you have one handy. To try to isolate the problem. |
| 14:22.12 | samskiter | about to boot into a live rescue image for debian in order to fix a bad boot after upgrade (seems that some partitions are not found when booting). what is the best approach to use here? |
| 14:22.35 | ivee | ChrisH: on the script you gave me? |
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| 14:23.51 | gabedain | DrFoo: what is the error from Grub? |
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| 14:25.35 | T60 | Wow, ok so I don't know if it is because this Keyboard is old or something, but I don't have an issue with this spare keybord. Test |
| 14:25.55 | T60 | So I guess I'll have to carry a spare keyboard for the rest of my life |
| 14:26.11 | gabedain | T60: Yeah, it seems to only be a problem with certain keyboards. |
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| 14:26.32 | T60 | But the strange thing is, when I was testing with a life usb this wasn't an issue |
| 14:26.47 | SynrG | of debian? |
| 14:27.13 | T60 | CRunchabng and debian |
| 14:27.17 | ivee | ChrisH: Not working still |
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| 14:27.26 | SynrG | well, crunchbang we can't say anything about ... |
| 14:27.27 | T60 | and actually this keybard still does the Double caps lock |
| 14:27.32 | SynrG | ah. |
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| 14:27.56 | SynrG | live image of debian wheezy, then? |
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| 14:28.03 | T60 | the effect has lessened, because the caplocks is so much further apart, so i just press with more force and with more time |
| 14:28.24 | T60 | BUt on my laptop keyoard since the keys are really close together the caps lock affect is more emphasized |
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| 14:28.41 | T60 | Yeah i think wheezy with gnome |
| 14:28.57 | T60 | THinkpad < spare keyboard test |
| 14:29.14 | ChrisH | ivee: yes. and replace the mail line with: cat /tmp/sar | mailx -v -s "test" user@domain and rerun from commandline and paste the content once more |
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| 14:30.46 | ivee | mailx: invalid option -- 'v' |
| 14:30.50 | ivee | sigh |
| 14:30.50 | gabedain | T60: Ok, let's try just one more thing then. Just to make sure this is a problem with XOrg, you should try to reproduce the bug in the console. |
| 14:31.12 | T60 | that's cntrl alt f2 right or something like that |
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| 14:31.32 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 14:31.33 | gabedain | T60: Yeah, so hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, try it out, then come back with Ctrl+Alt+F7 |
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| 14:32.20 | T60 | yeah it doesn't happen in Xorg |
| 14:32.24 | T60 | i mean in sonsole |
| 14:32.28 | ivee | smashes her head against a flamin wall |
| 14:32.40 | gabedain | T60: yeah ok, so it seems like you have that bug for sure. |
| 14:32.49 | gabedain | T60: just curious, what version of XOrg are you running? |
| 14:33.17 | TheWarden | I'm trying to automate my installation of Debian using the preseed file. Now I have it working, however I'm trying to get the installer to prompt for the hostname at install. I've commented out the netcfg entries and all it does is prompt for which NIC to use. Nothing more. |
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| 14:33.41 | TheWarden | Is it not possible to prompt for the hostname at installation using the preseed file? Here is my current preseed file, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ee80b6d2708752cb8768. |
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| 14:34.02 | gabedain | T60: (apt-show-versions xorg) |
| 14:34.12 | ivee | throws tables and chairs in a rage of anger |
| 14:34.18 | babilen | ivee: Please don't |
| 14:34.22 | ivee | babilen: ? |
| 14:34.32 | ivee | I've been at this issue for hours |
| 14:34.35 | samskiter | how do i go about fixing a system with a bad boot. im about to boot into a live usb. i have problems with the partition not being found possibly due to a module missing (ext3 shows up but ext2 doesnt in lsmod and the drive is ext) |
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| 14:34.43 | babilen | ivee: Please don't throw tables and chairs -- and also don't complain about it. |
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| 14:35.16 | gabedain | samskiter: you might want to chroot into your current build in order to install any missing modules. |
| 14:35.23 | TheWarden | I can't seem to find any documentation on this or explanation. I've searched and searched and have come up empty. I suppose I could do the hostname change after the install but it would be preferred to be prompted at install if at all possible. |
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| 14:36.27 | ChrisH | ivee: show us lsb_release -a and dpkg -l \*mail\* on paste.debian.net |
| 14:36.29 | Sbroker` | .... shhh |
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| 14:36.51 | ivee | zsh: command not found: lsb_release |
| 14:36.53 | DrFoo | gabedain: File not found |
| 14:36.56 | icesword | hello test |
| 14:37.11 | icesword | anyone see me |
| 14:37.12 | gabedain | DrFoo: did it say which file? Or is that all it said? |
| 14:37.24 | samskiter | gabedain: so mount sda1 and then chroot to the mount point? |
| 14:37.32 | SynrG | ivee: apt-get install lsb-release |
| 14:37.35 | ivee | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/92718/ |
| 14:37.39 | gabedain | samskiter: that's what I would do, yeah. |
| 14:37.44 | DrFoo | gabedain: that's it error: file not found. |
| 14:37.56 | icesword | is it ok i just troll a little bit? |
| 14:37.59 | DrFoo | gabedain: then it enters rescue mode |
| 14:38.00 | gabedain | DrFoo: huh. Let me have a look. |
| 14:38.03 | jelly | icesword: no |
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| 14:38.18 | icesword | jelly just one |
| 14:38.21 | samskiter | gabedain: is there any way to debug what modules i need and ensure im definitely fixing the right thing? am i bettter running a general purpose grub fixer? |
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| 14:38.49 | ivee | http://paste.debian.net/92721/ |
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| 14:39.07 | SynrG | ivee: i guess you never installed 'standard'? |
| 14:39.17 | SynrG | nothing wrong with that, but things we expect to be there aren't |
| 14:39.18 | ivee | SynrG: standard what? |
| 14:39.26 | SynrG | the 'standard' task when you installed debian |
| 14:39.26 | T60 | sorry gabedain, I have class now, I guess I'll have to live withthis for one more day |
| 14:39.35 | ivee | ... |
| 14:39.38 | ivee | is confused |
| 14:39.50 | ivee | what task? |
| 14:40.10 | icesword | ivee i seem to know you |
| 14:40.18 | ivee | icesword: From where? |
| 14:40.19 | SynrG | ivee: during the package selection part of installing debian, there are some checkboxes for tasks (collections of related software). one is 'standard' and it is checked by default |
| 14:40.31 | icesword | #defocus |
| 14:40.33 | ivee | oh |
| 14:40.47 | ivee | SynrG: Now what? |
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| 14:41.16 | icesword | in which a channel bazhang likes to be a dog … |
| 14:41.21 | ChrisH | ivee: I use bsd-mailx for mailing from Commandline and I would give that package a try. And it looks like you are using jessie or sid. For the record, here is only stable support. |
| 14:41.39 | ivee | icesword: bazhang is a knobhead |
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| 14:41.48 | ivee | but this is #debian |
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| 14:42.08 | ivee | we should get back on topic |
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| 14:42.10 | ivee | what?! |
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| 14:42.40 | gabedain | DrFoo: you might want to try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187862/after-update-get-error-file-not-found-followed-by-grub-rescue |
| 14:43.07 | gabedain | samskiter: You might also want to try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187862/after-update-get-error-file-not-found-followed-by-grub-rescue |
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| 14:43.32 | tempspace | Is there a way to get logging around whenever a sysctl limit is hit on the entire system? |
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| 14:43.57 | DrFoo | gabedian: Is that cool to do on Debian? |
| 14:43.58 | samskiter | gabedain: i was getting thrown to initramfs |
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| 14:44.45 | gabedain | DrFoo: Yeah, same thing. |
| 14:45.06 | Zzeiss | My debian laptop (wheezy) doesn't seem to want to upgrade to the new SSL (heartbleed fix) .debs . Is there any way to force it? |
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| 14:45.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell Zzeiss -about bat |
| 14:46.19 | babilen | Zzeiss: Show us your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0" after running "apt-get update" please |
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| 14:46.32 | gabedain | samskiter: what do you mean, did you end up at the grub> prompt? |
| 14:47.05 | samskiter | no i ended up at initramfs prompt |
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| 14:48.14 | hoj | hello. |
| 14:48.41 | hoj | is there a 'standard' or 'recommended' build system for writing c++ software on debian? |
| 14:48.56 | ChrisH | vim && make |
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| 14:49.03 | ChrisH | SCNR |
| 14:49.11 | HiDeHo | man this bites |
| 14:49.31 | gabedain | samskiter: it could be a lot of things, I would say the best thing for now would be to chroot in and poke around, see what's broken and what's not. |
| 14:49.36 | HiDeHo | i am using a newish debian net install with xfce. i cant get on the internet in xfce. |
| 14:49.37 | ido370 | sublime && make ? |
| 14:49.52 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 14:49.52 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 14:49.54 | hoj | are the autotools considered to be the 'standard' build system? |
| 14:49.56 | HiDeHo | i can install things from cli |
| 14:49.56 | beardy | HiDeHo: ^^^ |
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| 14:50.05 | gabedain | samskiter: it could be anything from a missing module to a corrupted HDD. |
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| 14:50.33 | HiDeHo | beardy: thanks i was wanting a xfce gui cant see anything |
| 14:50.39 | beardy | HiDeHo: Hmm well if you could install, then please tell what you are doing in xfce that is not working exactly? |
| 14:50.44 | samskiter | gabedain: its a total mess yea. i cant even get a liveUSB working now…. unetbootin doesnt have any tricks to it does it? |
| 14:51.17 | ChrisH | samskiter: unetbootin has tricks to fail it! |
| 14:51.20 | HiDeHo | iceweasel cant access internet |
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| 14:51.43 | beardy | HiDeHo: Can you open an xterm and run 'ping 8.8.8.8'? |
| 14:51.44 | HiDeHo | there is no network in settings to connect |
| 14:51.58 | gabedain | samskiter: dunno, never used it |
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| 14:52.16 | beardy | HiDeHo: xterm/a terminal (there is a default temrinal icon at the bottom IIRC) |
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| 14:52.23 | HiDeHo | net unreachable |
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| 14:53.14 | babilen | Zzeiss: ping? |
| 14:53.38 | HiDeHo | yes i ran the ping you asked for |
| 14:53.43 | HiDeHo | here we go again |
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| 14:54.20 | HiDeHo | babilen: any ideas. |
| 14:54.22 | beardy | HiDeHo: Which ip-address says net unreachable? |
| 14:54.35 | HiDeHo | the one you said to ping ^ |
| 14:54.42 | HiDeHo | 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:54.53 | ido370 | ifconfig says all ok? |
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| 14:55.14 | mc_fail | hi guys, does openssl heartbleed fixed in new openssl package for 7.2? |
| 14:55.17 | babilen | HiDeHo: About what? |
| 14:55.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell mc_fail about dsa2896 |
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| 14:56.03 | TheWarden | Is there anyone that can direct me to figuring this problem out of not prompting for a hostname at install time using a preseed file, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ee80b6d2708752cb8768? |
| 14:56.13 | Zzeiss | babilen: gotta run to Japanese class. Fix this later. :) |
| 14:56.16 | Zzeiss | Thanks! |
| 14:56.20 | HiDeHo | any ideas what i can do to get internet access |
| 14:56.28 | andry | HiDeHo: apt-get install pastebinit && ifconfig > netwoaaak && cat /etc/resolv.conf >> netwoaaak && lsusb >> netwoaaak && lsusb >> netwoaaak && lspci >> netwoaaak && dmesg | tail -n 200 >> netwoaaak && cat /var/log/syslog >> netwoaaak && pastebinit netwoaaak |
| 14:56.30 | ido370 | hideho: ifconfig? |
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| 14:56.55 | HiDeHo | andy pastbinit wont help i cant get online |
| 14:57.02 | andry | oh. yes :'D |
| 14:57.06 | HiDeHo | i was going to set up a small sever os here |
| 14:57.09 | andry | but you can save it and upload it |
| 14:57.22 | HiDeHo | no |
| 14:57.39 | andry | is there a em0, eth0, whatever0 except for "lo" in ifconfig? |
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| 14:58.01 | surial | How can I tell apt-get that some unmet dependency is, in fact, met? Permanently. |
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| 14:58.13 | ido370 | surial: -f? |
| 14:58.19 | surial | no, that doesn't make anything permanent. |
| 14:58.20 | HiDeHo | this is weird as when i was in the cli i could aptitude install apps fine |
| 14:58.27 | surial | I want 'apt-get upgrade' for example to not complain. at all. ever again. |
| 14:58.31 | surial | at least, not for this missing dep. |
| 14:58.53 | beardy | HiDeHo: 'ifconfig eth0' what does the second line say? |
| 14:58.56 | HiDeHo | andry: i ran ifconfig and got eth0 there |
| 14:58.59 | themill | surial: you install the package. |
| 14:59.04 | surial | no, that is not possible. |
| 14:59.19 | ido370 | surial: --nodeps ? |
| 14:59.21 | andry | "ip a s" ? any ip? do you use static ip or dhcp? |
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| 14:59.28 | tkl2 | Hi there, |
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| 14:59.37 | themill | surial: perhaps you could help us understand what it is you're trying to achieve here |
| 14:59.38 | jelly | surial: then you install a pretend one, /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 14:59.53 | surial | ido370: But all these are ways to temporarily fix things. I want to fix things permanently. Surely apt-get has a DB somewhere of installed deps. I want to add this dep without installing it. I know what I' doing, at least as far as this dep is concerned. The dep itself is a buggy requirement. |
| 14:59.54 | themill | but that won't work if there are versioned dependencies |
| 14:59.57 | tkl2 | i have a ready to use patch for the Debian kernel which i would like to test and use, but i have no idea how to integrate it with quilt |
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| 15:00.10 | surial | I can also UNinstall the thing that needs this dep and then REinstall it such that it thinks it doesn't actually need that dep (it doesn't). |
| 15:00.16 | tkl2 | Anyone around who can tell me? |
| 15:00.17 | jelly | surial: apt does not work if dpkg's state is not all nice and clear, dependencies resolved |
| 15:00.25 | surial | jelly: Exactly. |
| 15:00.29 | surial | Which is why I want to get back to the all nice and clear state. |
| 15:00.30 | HiDeHo | andry inet addr:192.168.1.109 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
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| 15:01.08 | jelly | surial: what actual packages are you talking about? |
| 15:01.16 | beardy | HiDeHo: Can you login to your gateway/router/modem and check that it has connectivity to the Internet? |
| 15:01.17 | andry | HiDeHo, and "ip route"? |
| 15:01.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell surial about bat |
| 15:01.32 | beardy | after answering andry. |
| 15:01.35 | surial | jelly: openjdk-7-jdk. |
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| 15:02.14 | surial | it is dependent on openjdk-7-jre. But that is false. as in, nope, you don't need that at all. Installing openjdk-7-jre anyway just to fulfill this requirement is a bad idea, because that is dependent on all of X. This is a headless server. |
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| 15:02.43 | ido370 | surial: number 9: http://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies |
| 15:02.54 | andry | i run into a strange behavior with dual booting once .. when i restarted from windows to debian, there was no network connection .. i had to fully shutdown the computer and unplug the computer ... then start into debian .. where ethernet then worked :| very strange |
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| 15:02.58 | HiDeHo | beardy: well am i on the internet now talking to you on this computer. nope i am not in the internet now am i. so the modem/router must not be connecting ay |
| 15:03.20 | surial | ido370: This looks useful. Thanks! |
| 15:03.21 | themill | surial: it would help if you were more precise about what you are actually trying to do here. Precisely which packages are involved? |
| 15:03.27 | beardy | Oh, oh, be like that you twat. Ok. |
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| 15:04.01 | HiDeHo | sorry now the keyboard wont work mouse pointer moves but cant click things either. |
| 15:04.08 | surial | themill: openjdk-7-jdk is installed but with --nodeps, because it has a dependency on openjdk-7-jre. This dependency is problematic: (A) it is not actually needed, and (B) openjdk-7-jre is not installable on a headless server. I wish openjdk-7-jre-headless was an alternative way to fix it, but it isn't. This is a bug in ubuntu which nobody wants to fix. Unfortunately. |
| 15:04.12 | petern_ | surial, there's a headless version of jre you can install |
| 15:04.12 | andry | doesnt sound healthy |
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| 15:04.29 | HiDeHo | beardy: sorry to offend its just obvious i am online now ay |
| 15:04.30 | surial | themill: So, I want to make apt-get act as if openjdk-7-jdk has all deps met. Permanently. |
| 15:04.35 | petern_ | surial, bug in ubuntu? so... |
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| 15:04.51 | HiDeHo | its ok i need a break from the computer i think |
| 15:04.52 | surial | petern_: I know, but they aren't helping either. I knew I should have just stuck with debian on my servers :( |
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| 15:05.09 | surial | petern_: And, yes, there's a headless version, but this doesn't count as fulfilling the dep. |
| 15:05.09 | mns | I keep seeing the following error when doing an upgrade and dont know what is wrong or how to get around it: http://paste.debian.net/92728/ |
| 15:05.15 | HiDeHo | beardy: its not you its just me overworked on this debian install its blowing my head away |
| 15:05.17 | deni | babilen: the systemd-sysv doesn't actually remove init does it? that needs to be done manully right? |
| 15:05.41 | babilen | deni: You don't have to |
| 15:05.55 | themill | surial: I hate to think how openjdk-7-jdk works without the jre. It might actually do things but it's going to be horribly confused. (and yes, you want #ubuntu) |
| 15:06.00 | petern_ | -no-install-recommends cuts down on the massive list of dependencies |
| 15:06.01 | HiDeHo | think i will come back another time and try to get elp thansk for all so far. at least we know its not conecting |
| 15:06.07 | petern_ | but hey this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 15:06.08 | surial | themill: It works just fine with openjdk-7-jre-headless. |
| 15:06.12 | surial | which is installed. |
| 15:06.14 | beardy | HiDeHo: Well. You could be on another connection and so on.. yes, let's take a break. Try a complete reboot and replug of the cable. |
| 15:06.22 | surial | Unfortunately, the package definition doesn't seem to acknowledge the fact that this works perfectly swell. |
| 15:06.55 | deni | babilen: yeah but if i remove it then systemctl won't have to do stuff like synchronize disable/enable with sysvinit |
| 15:06.56 | surial | That's teh bug, by the way: The dep should say that openjdk-7-jre-headless is also sufficient. |
| 15:06.57 | themill | surial: the bits you have tested work perfectly. The entire jdk does not. |
| 15:06.59 | HiDeHo | beardy: good idea be back when i have a clear head |
| 15:07.00 | deni | via update-rcd |
| 15:07.03 | deni | babilen: correct? |
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| 15:07.29 | petern_ | deni, yes, installing systemd-sys _does_ remove sysvinit. |
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| 15:07.47 | petern_ | deni, however, I did that a while ago, and I seem to have sysvinit reinstalled again... |
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| 15:08.02 | surial | themill: Okay, we can either say that openjdk-7-jdk should be updated to not require whatever needs a GUI (I can't see anything; in particular, visualvm is NOT in this package at all...), or an openjdk-7-jdk-headless should be created. Either way, running a JDK on a server is something tons of people are doing. And is my current issue. |
| 15:08.18 | surial | If I have some time I'll look into fixing the package or creating the openjdk-7-jdk-headless one. |
| 15:08.19 | gabedain | surial: could you create a dummy package and make apt pull from it locally? |
| 15:08.27 | surial | But for now I need this server fixed ASAP so I can update OpenSSL. |
| 15:08.38 | petern_ | servers generally shouldn't have build environments on them, for what it's worth. |
| 15:08.40 | surial | gabedain: That's an option. |
| 15:08.44 | surial | petern_: Of course they should. |
| 15:08.47 | surial | petern_: CI server... |
| 15:08.50 | petern_ | Unless it's a build server, I suppose. |
| 15:08.51 | petern_ | :) |
| 15:08.53 | babilen | deni: What are you trying to achieve? Are you running systemd already and what do you mean by "remove sysvinit" exactly? systemd-sysv has the corresponding Breaks:/Conflicts: it needs already |
| 15:08.55 | gabedain | surial: http://linuxconfig.org/easy-way-to-create-a-debian-package-and-local-package-repository and http://people.debian.org/~calvin/unofficial/ will help then. |
| 15:08.55 | surial | petern_: JSP. |
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| 15:09.25 | surial | petern_: template engine. Plugin engine using multiprocess (multiple VMs), and with the need to instrument the child processes. Need I go on? |
| 15:09.34 | petern_ | Install: sysvinit:amd64 (2.88dsf-41+deb7u1, automatic) |
| 15:09.36 | surial | gabedain: Thank you :) |
| 15:09.48 | petern_ | Wish I knew what did that :S |
| 15:09.51 | gabedain | surial: no worries mate. |
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| 15:10.20 | deni | petern_: babilen if it removes it then i don't know how i have it installed again. specifically i'm running systemd and i want to avoid the "Synchronizing state" part here: http://pastebin.com/EUMigjCZ |
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| 15:10.32 | HiDeHo | beardy: it looks like its trying to use another ip address. than the one it should be though. |
| 15:10.49 | HiDeHo | the ip address here is 10.1.1.1 |
| 15:10.53 | HiDeHo | or 10.1.1.2 |
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| 15:12.02 | HiDeHo | its strange that the xfce gui does not have an network setting to use either. |
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| 15:12.38 | beardy | HiDeHo: Are the machine you're sitting on and your server connected to the same network? Sounds like the server has gotten its adres from a different dhcp server? |
| 15:12.48 | petern_ | deni, sysvinit keeps getting reinstalled for me, still investigating what's doing that |
| 15:12.48 | ido370 | hideho: sudo apt-get install wicd |
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| 15:13.10 | deni | petern_: tnx. do share when you find out |
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| 15:13.40 | HiDeHo | yes they are actually the new server pc is cable aand this is wifi |
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| 15:14.00 | ido370 | iwconfig? |
| 15:14.11 | HiDeHo | ido370: who are you talking to |
| 15:14.21 | ido370 | hideho: you |
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| 15:14.34 | beardy | HiDeHo: Ah ok.. but it seems that your wifi and cabled network is separated then, if you only have one "gateway"/access point? |
| 15:14.40 | HiDeHo | ido370: i cant even get on the internet on that computer after installing xfce |
| 15:15.15 | ido370 | hideho: i asked for ifconfig earlier, but now i rewad that its wifi, so iwconfig gives some info perhaps? |
| 15:15.35 | HiDeHo | yes i have a 2nd wifi router conected to this setup it gives this better than the default wifi in teh isp modem |
| 15:15.51 | HiDeHo | its not wifi shesh |
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| 15:15.56 | beardy | HiDeHo: When you installed, did you use a cable all the time? Run 'iwconfig' please, as said, so we can determine if the server has a wifi nic. |
| 15:16.00 | beardy | And remain calm. |
| 15:16.03 | HiDeHo | ido370: i am on 2 computers. |
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| 15:16.08 | HiDeHo | yes |
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| 15:16.19 | average | HiDeHo: are you using WPA ? WPA2 ? |
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| 15:16.32 | average | HiDeHo: actually that doesn't matter.. |
| 15:16.45 | HiDeHo | comand not found |
| 15:16.51 | HiDeHo | cant run if the comand is not there |
| 15:16.53 | average | HiDeHo: did you check iwlist scanning wlan0 ? are you able to see your wireless router ? |
| 15:17.00 | average | do that as root |
| 15:17.11 | HiDeHo | average: its not a wifi conection |
| 15:17.15 | average | is your wireless interface up ? as beardy asked above.. |
| 15:17.22 | HiDeHo | not on the pc i am trying to get access to internet |
| 15:17.34 | HiDeHo | here we go again nobody listening |
| 15:17.39 | beardy | average: He doesn't have a wifi nic in the "server" he is installing. |
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| 15:17.49 | average | I just read what beardy wrote and thought it was wifi.. |
| 15:17.54 | HiDeHo | i said the debian os i am setting up as a server does not have or use wifi |
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| 15:18.13 | HiDeHo | its this laptop i am on that does |
| 15:18.13 | beardy | HiDeHo: We are, but it gets a bit fuzzy when multiple people try to help. I guess you are newq to IRC. |
| 15:18.41 | HiDeHo | lol you think so. well if you like to think i am new to irc its ok i will let you lol |
| 15:18.47 | beardy | HiDeHo: Connect the calbe to the same device that does your wifi. |
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| 15:19.02 | HiDeHo | ok hold on one moment |
| 15:19.16 | average | beardy: what is a "calbe" ? |
| 15:19.24 | beardy | average: Figure it out. |
| 15:19.47 | HiDeHo | oh my gosh that works wow |
| 15:19.51 | HiDeHo | thanks man |
| 15:20.06 | HiDeHo | thats new to me usually i can use the other modem to get access |
| 15:20.17 | beardy | HiDeHo: Yes. If you want to use the previous one, disable the dhcp server in it, make it a "bridge", a switch. |
| 15:20.23 | HiDeHo | all fixed now thanks to all there |
| 15:20.38 | HiDeHo | well this never happened before |
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| 15:20.57 | beardy | HiDeHo: You double-NAT:ed your "server". |
| 15:20.59 | HiDeHo | i could conect to the main modem/router adn be fine |
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| 15:21.08 | HiDeHo | ay really how |
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| 15:22.18 | beardy | Or.. they confused each other both trying to serve DHCP to you.. so perhaps you got a 10.x.x.x adress when you installed, but this time not. |
| 15:22.46 | HiDeHo | the main modem/router is isp i have to use that to get internet. i just set my old modem up as a wifi bridge as it has better wifi conection. usually i could plug the other computers into the isp modem and be find too just not today |
| 15:23.19 | HiDeHo | its ok could also just need to reboot both devices and it may fix things |
| 15:23.26 | HiDeHo | cool anyway thanks for helping all |
| 15:23.36 | ZIPY | hi, how do i change overscan of my hdmi monitor, i tried it with fglrx controlcenter, but it will reset after reboot |
| 15:23.59 | beardy | HiDeHo: Hmm ok.. but maybe there still is a dhcp server active in your "old modem", atleast on the "cable ports"? |
| 15:24.20 | HiDeHo | yes there should be |
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| 15:25.11 | HiDeHo | the other wifi modem does not do dhcp normally it just handles the wifi and sends it to the isp modem |
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| 15:26.12 | beardy | HiDeHo: Well, if you really are bridging the wifi, your wireless clients will get their adress from the "ISP router", but your cabled devices would get one from the "old modem", which might not work if "old modem" does not route properly, while it's bridging.. leave it as it is now or look into that later. |
| 15:26.52 | niteye | exists there software for debian which can attempt to restore a mysteriously disappeared partition table, or as many files as possible from FAT32 partition ? |
| 15:27.22 | HiDeHo | i always plug other computers into the isp modem and it used to work untill today with debian. |
| 15:27.30 | HiDeHo | maybe its debain os that is diferent |
| 15:28.10 | beardy | I don't think so.. but as long as it works now. Get on with the fun things. |
| 15:28.33 | HiDeHo | niteye: there is. i forget what it is called atm. |
| 15:28.54 | beardy | !testdisk |
| 15:29.05 | dpkg | TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk See also <photorec>. |
| 15:29.05 | niteye | HiDeHo, shall i hypnotize you to make you remember? :D |
| 15:29.17 | beardy | niteye: the above is for you |
| 15:29.25 | niteye | yep i'm a slow typer |
| 15:29.26 | niteye | thanks !! |
| 15:29.39 | HiDeHo | niteye: there are os that have testdisk and other recovery tools in them too |
| 15:30.26 | niteye | i'm on debian :-), but it's in the repo with apt-get so it's all good, lets hope it saves the day |
| 15:31.24 | beardy | niteye: You can "/msg dpkg <factoidname>" sounds like photorec might be worth a read too. |
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| 15:31.45 | HiDeHo | is there a lighter de than xfce i wonder. i know some wm may seem lighter but they usually still rely on a de to run |
| 15:32.25 | niteye | lxde is lighter than xfce i think |
| 15:32.30 | HiDeHo | anyone know the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
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| 15:33.00 | HiDeHo | niteye: i thought lxde and xfce where about the same |
| 15:33.01 | niteye | the debian wiki says apt-get everywhere so i use that |
| 15:33.04 | beardy | Window managers without the things that makes desktop environments.. desktop environments are lighter of course. But no.. I don't think there is any lighter thing that can be considered a "de" no. |
| 15:33.12 | beardy | I disagree with niteye on that. |
| 15:33.44 | niteye | well if xfce is the same as lxde or even lighter, so much the better because it's what i use :-) |
| 15:34.10 | niteye | lighter ones i know are fluxbox and icewm but they're way below the spectrum as in that you won't even be having any desktop icosn |
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| 15:34.48 | beardy | HiDeHo: The difference is in how some of the dependency resolving is done. The main difference is that aptitude has a nice interactive text "graphical" interface. |
| 15:34.57 | HiDeHo | bearly um say openbox it is nice light and fast but it still depends on lots of gnome to run from memory (my memory may be a bit lost though) |
| 15:34.59 | bin_sh | Hello, I'm trying to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and i'm getting this error: http://www.fpaste.org/92909/57442139/ |
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| 15:35.18 | bin_sh | How can I fix this, it's happening on 2 of my debian servers |
| 15:35.44 | beardy | HiDeHo: Both have been the recommended tool through the years. I prefer aptitude. I think apt-get might be back as the recommended one in wheezy. |
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| 15:36.53 | HiDeHo | bin_sh: do you have another app open like the package manager that may be causing conflicts. |
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| 15:37.14 | bin_sh | no |
| 15:37.18 | bin_sh | it's a headless server |
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| 15:37.33 | HiDeHo | oh i cant help with that |
| 15:37.36 | niteye | well testdisk seems to have done wonders so cheers !!!!! |
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| 15:37.45 | bin_sh | HiDeHo: did you read the paste... |
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| 15:37.55 | squidly | running the installer is there A way I can blacklist a module or install a non-free software? |
| 15:38.27 | HiDeHo | bin_sh: maybe the servers are down and cant find the address atm |
| 15:38.50 | beardy | bin_sh: Do you use IPv6? |
| 15:38.53 | HiDeHo | bin_sh: i did and it looked similar to when i had package manager running ad tried to install something in the terminal pok |
| 15:38.57 | bin_sh | beardy: yea |
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| 15:40.07 | beardy | bin_sh: Well, it says 404.. have you tried another mirror? |
| 15:40.08 | HiDeHo | ok all thanks for your helping me sort things out atm |
| 15:40.09 | nyuszika7h | how can I make cronjobs still work for users with expired passwords who haven't logged in yet? |
| 15:40.21 | nyuszika7h | since the expiration that is |
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| 15:41.01 | bin_sh | beardy: is there a list of ipv6 mirrors i should try? |
| 15:41.30 | bin_sh | also i thought it was in /etc/mirrorlist |
| 15:41.33 | bin_sh | but i dont even have that |
| 15:41.40 | beardy | bin_sh: Not that I know. Just take the mirror closest to you. |
| 15:42.15 | beardy | https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:42.32 | gabedain | bin_sh: all mirrors on https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full are IPv6 |
| 15:42.45 | bin_sh | thanks gabedain |
| 15:43.04 | gabedain | bin_sh: (as far as I know) |
| 15:43.08 | bin_sh | which file should i edit, the one in usr/lib or the one in var/lib |
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| 15:43.27 | Dagger | shouldn't you be using security.debian.org for debian-security? |
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| 15:43.52 | bin_sh | Dagger: idk this is just the default that the vps came with tbh. i havent touched the mirrorlist on these boxes |
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| 15:44.19 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 15:44.20 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:44.33 | beardy | Squeeze eh.. |
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| 15:45.28 | beardy | bin_sh: Maybe you should consider upgrading your box to the current stable too. |
| 15:45.41 | beardy | bin_sh: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:45.47 | bin_sh | beardy: i dont think so |
| 15:45.53 | bin_sh | too much work |
| 15:46.20 | SynrG | bin_sh: if the purpose is to fix heartbleed, squeeze libssl isn't vulnerable as it is too old to do TLS 1.1 and 1.2 which support heartbeat. |
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| 15:46.39 | SynrG | on the other hand, being up to date is always a good thing :) |
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| 15:46.58 | bin_sh | SynrG: nah it's to do an update, i already checked and my openssl isn't vulnerable |
| 15:47.07 | SynrG | nods |
| 15:47.09 | bin_sh | havent updated these servers in forever to be honest |
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| 15:47.18 | bin_sh | i GUESS i could do a distupgrade |
| 15:47.24 | Bage1s | SynrG I'm connected on my telegram -> IRC client, and it runs JUST FINE thanks |
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| 15:47.33 | Bage1s | stop |
| 15:47.37 | gabedain | bin_sh: it's really not much work to upgrade. just change sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:47.48 | SynrG | Bage1s: -> ot? :) |
| 15:47.50 | bin_sh | gabedain: wait really? |
| 15:48.09 | beardy | bin_sh: Well, first, read what Dagger said, that's the main issue. |
| 15:48.13 | petern_ | It's simple but not something you want to do a production server in the middle of the day... |
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| 15:49.18 | Dagger | if you're on an OpenVZ-based container you might want to avoid updating like that though |
| 15:49.25 | tkl2 | Anyone who can tell me how to add a patch to the Debian kernel? |
| 15:49.26 | beardy | bin_sh: You still need to update your squeeze properly before upgrading that. |
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| 15:49.41 | bin_sh | beardy: no i know |
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| 15:49.49 | bin_sh | but i didn't realize doing a distupgrade was that easy |
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| 15:50.28 | Dagger | (OpenVZ containers will share page cache between containers for identical files, but that only works if you haven't changed the files in question... and the host may not have enough memory to handle the extra page cache requirements if you do) |
| 15:50.31 | bin_sh | petern_: it's not a production server, really. it's just running an IRCd |
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| 15:50.48 | beardy | bin_sh: Oh.. well it is, but there might be some small issues (read changelog carefully), and if you have old configs of things that have very changed things in new versions ther emight be some handwork, but yes, usually it is very easy. |
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| 15:50.53 | petn-randall | Is IP over Avian Carriers also affected by the heartbleed bug? I'm asking since I'm running it on Debian. |
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| 15:51.21 | bin_sh | beardy: might be something to do this weekend then. |
| 15:51.29 | jelly | dpkg: slap petn-randall |
| 15:51.29 | petern_ | Yes, remember to get transfusions when they get back. |
| 15:51.30 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across petn-randall's face |
| 15:51.54 | beardy | petn-randall: Of course, it runs on top of IP, all IP on top of whichever layer 2 protocol is affected. |
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| 15:52.23 | Dixi | This might come off wrong hehe, but does anyone here knows where you can buy synflood/ddos tests ? |
| 15:52.33 | bin_sh | okay, so beardy &| gabedain/anyone else which mirrorlist should i update, the one is var or usr? |
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| 15:52.39 | petn-randall | Dixi: buy? Just do them yourself. |
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| 15:53.00 | Dixi | petn-randall: I cant. our mitigation appliance sits infront of our firewall |
| 15:53.11 | Dixi | And its out of our internal network |
| 15:53.20 | Dixi | But, Id like to buy a ddos test attack |
| 15:53.35 | Dixi | to see if it can actually handle, what its supposed to handle :) |
| 15:53.37 | bin_sh | Dixi: pm me |
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| 15:53.58 | petn-randall | D: |
| 15:54.01 | beardy | bin_sh: Neither.. you should change your /etc/apt/sources.list to use "http://security.debian.org/" for your "squeeze/updates" line. |
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| 15:54.29 | bin_sh | ahhh thanks beardy. it's a bit different from arch i guess |
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| 15:55.48 | gabedain | bin_sh: this http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ might help if you are new to debian. |
| 15:56.12 | bin_sh | gabedain: not exactly new, but i usually just set my stuff up and then leave it in all honesty |
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| 15:56.33 | gabedain | bin_sh: fair enough |
| 15:56.46 | bin_sh | i'm a pretty casual user |
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| 15:56.59 | bin_sh | i run arch on my laptops, and then i have 1 centOS server and 4 debian servers |
| 15:57.21 | ronin_ | hi, does anybody here have solid experience with d-i partman preseed files? |
| 15:57.40 | gabedain | gotta go, good night all |
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| 16:03.30 | beardy | petn-randall: But.. I guess you should worry more about the next bird flu mutation. |
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| 16:08.11 | petn-randall | I already renewed their keychains, they were getting a little rusty. |
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| 16:08.26 | DammitJim | is the openssl heartbleed vulnerability fixed in 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6? |
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| 16:08.42 | petn-randall | DammitJim: What does the changelog say? |
| 16:09.42 | DammitJim | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1e-2+deb7u6_changelog |
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| 16:09.47 | DammitJim | Not Found! |
| 16:09.52 | Dagger | it was supposed to be fixed in -2+deb7u5, so unless they unfixed it... |
| 16:09.56 | rozie | petn-randall: there's no changelog |
| 16:10.02 | asarch | I am trying to install the libpadre-plugin-html-perl package, however, aptitude says: "libpadre-plugin-xml-perl : Depends: padre-plugin-api-0 which is a virtual package." and if I try to install padre-plugin-api-0 I get: "padre-plugin-api-0" exists in the package database, but it is not a real package and no package provides it." |
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| 16:10.10 | rozie | DammitJim: short answer: yes it's fixed |
| 16:10.17 | DammitJim | thank you! |
| 16:10.20 | asarch | What can I do in order to get libpadre-plugin-html-perl? |
| 16:10.24 | petn-randall | rozie: There is one in /usr/share/doc/openssl/. |
| 16:10.27 | samskiter | trying to make a liveusb - do i need to partition/format the usb stick before running ‘dd’ ? |
| 16:10.34 | DammitJim | how can I query the system to know what services need to be restarted that use openssl? |
| 16:10.37 | Walex | DammitJim: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00071.html |
| 16:10.53 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 16:10.58 | rozie | petn-randall: well, wajig changelog shows nothing, there's no changelog file in DEBIAN in .deb file |
| 16:11.37 | petn-randall | samskiter: No, the dd will overwrite everything, though I recommend using cp instead since it sets the blocksize for writing automatically. |
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| 16:12.20 | samskiter | thanks petn |
| 16:12.29 | rozie | but I have another question: how about Debian Wheezy and Suhosin patch for PHP? was it removed (there is php5-suhosin in unstable) or is it patched by default as said on https://wiki.debian.org/PHP? |
| 16:12.33 | petn-randall | DammitJim, rozie, install the newest update, then read the changelog in /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz. |
| 16:12.41 | rozie | "As of version 5.2.4-1 the suhosin patch is enabled by default in Debian PHP5 packages." |
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| 16:17.16 | vsoftoiletpaper | so, does -2+deb7u5 heartbleed or not? |
| 16:17.34 | SynrG | !heartbleed |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». See also http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 16:17.47 | SynrG | no, it does not. and you can read the dsp to confirm |
| 16:17.51 | SynrG | dsa* |
| 16:18.30 | DrFoo | what should be in the grub directory |
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| 16:21.59 | DrFoo | OK, I think I understand what's happening... grub got corrupted / updated and it can't read the LVM parition |
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| 16:23.04 | DrFoo | the files in the boot directory seem in tact |
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| 16:23.20 | DrFoo | Yet I can't get grub to find them... |
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| 16:26.12 | DrFoo | when I ls in grub rescue I see things such as (hd0,msdos1). I don't see this in any of the online help pages I'm reading, they have entries like (hd0,1)... not sure if that has something to do with it. |
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| 16:28.15 | mtn | DrFoo: maybe this will help: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 16:31.05 | _FBi | Q: I just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -- Does this fix the OpenSSL exploit? |
| 16:31.24 | petn-randall | !tell _FBi -about heartbleed |
| 16:31.31 | _FBi | thanks |
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| 16:32.58 | AimHere | petn-randall, don't tell HIM, he's the FBI. He'll use it to spy on Amazon.com for the NSA |
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| 16:37.00 | _FBi | For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5. |
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| 16:38.02 | _FBi | Setting up openssl (1.0.1e-2+deb7u6) ... |
| 16:38.03 | _FBi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.26 | _FBi | can I safely assume u6 > u5 ? |
| 16:39.21 | _FBi | and that I'm secure? |
| 16:39.35 | wols_ | yes |
| 16:39.38 | Brigo | _FBi, yes. |
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| 16:43.01 | _FBi | thanks |
| 16:43.16 | _FBi | scary bug :S |
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| 16:46.06 | Dixi | petn-randall: ddos/udp ssyn tests done :) |
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| 16:46.37 | Dixi | petern_: that was for you :P |
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| 16:46.47 | Dixi | thanks for leading me on :D |
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| 16:52.33 | samskiter | im not able to make a boot from a rescue liveusb. can anyone help me troubleshoot please? |
| 16:53.21 | SynrG | samskiter: which image? |
| 16:53.32 | samskiter | $ sudo dd if=debian-live-7.4-amd64-rescue.iso of=/dev/disk1 bs=4m |
| 16:53.46 | SynrG | what's the problem? |
| 16:53.49 | samskiter | my bios settings may be at fault |
| 16:54.06 | SynrG | what is /dev/disk1 ? |
| 16:54.08 | wols_ | why /dev/disk1? |
| 16:54.09 | samskiter | my bios order is 1: usb key 2: usb fdc 3: usb hdd |
| 16:54.25 | samskiter | SynrG: this was ona mac to create the image |
| 16:54.28 | samskiter | the usb hdd is recognised |
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| 16:54.49 | samskiter | but after i boot and it gets pas bios i just geta black screen |
| 16:54.49 | SynrG | samskiter: is that a whole disk device node, or a partition? i can't tell |
| 16:54.58 | samskiter | SynrG: its a whole disk |
| 16:55.03 | SynrG | did you 'sync' after the dd? |
| 16:55.07 | samskiter | yes |
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| 16:55.24 | SynrG | does it boot on any other (non-mac) hardware? |
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| 16:55.44 | samskiter | this is not a mac i am trying to boot it on |
| 16:55.58 | SynrG | i see |
| 16:56.00 | samskiter | booting on a rack server |
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| 16:56.24 | SynrG | same question, then. does it boot on any other hardware? :) |
| 16:56.25 | DrFoo | If I want to check the filesystem on an LVM root partition, do I just do ckfs /dev/VOLUME/ |
| 16:56.27 | samskiter | yea, just a black screen and the usb light isn’t flashing |
| 16:56.40 | samskiter | uno momento… |
| 16:57.28 | SynrG | samskiter: it's possible the BIOS hates the hybrid image. but such BIOSes are rare |
| 16:57.37 | samskiter | SynrG: yes it does boot |
| 16:57.58 | samskiter | (on another machine |
| 16:58.00 | SynrG | samskiter: on other hardware? ok. then probably your BIOS hates hybrid images |
| 16:58.03 | samskiter | ok |
| 16:58.09 | SynrG | samskiter: you could also test with the netinst image |
| 16:58.12 | samskiter | well i can pull the HDD out and fix it on this machine i suppose |
| 16:58.15 | SynrG | it's hybrid, too. |
| 16:58.28 | SynrG | or you could build your own usb-hdd image |
| 16:58.53 | somiaj | if you can pull out the hdd, might as well just use debootstrap if you are up for that method. |
| 16:59.06 | SynrG | jussec, i think there's something the team was working on that may help ... |
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| 17:01.18 | SynrG | humm. not exactly what i thought it was. this is what i had in mind: http://install.live-systems.org/ but is unreleased and not focused exactly on this issue. |
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| 17:01.32 | samskiter | SynrG: right, i have a terminal. how do i fix up this disk. my original error was “Gave up waiting for root device” |
| 17:01.43 | samskiter | its something to do with not finding the UUID |
| 17:01.47 | petn-randall | deboostrap++ :) |
| 17:01.57 | petn-randall | debootstrap++ even |
| 17:02.03 | SynrG | samskiter: i wrote here about tearing apart the hybrid iso to write to USB: |
| 17:02.04 | SynrG | http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 17:02.29 | SynrG | samskiter: leave off the 'enable persistence' step |
| 17:02.45 | samskiter | SynrG: i have the liveusb booted on another machine and the bad HDD plugged in so i should be fine from there |
| 17:02.56 | SynrG | ok. good luck |
| 17:03.21 | SynrG | the tutorial is maybe a bit wordier than it needs to be. it boils down to a short, simple list of steps if you ever need such a thing :) |
| 17:03.28 | samskiter | or rather, i shouldn’t need any more live-usb help for now, but i still need to fix the grub setup. is there a tool for such things? |
| 17:03.43 | samskiter | (will check the tutorial out if i need to get this going on the server too) |
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| 17:04.16 | SynrG | well ... |
| 17:04.20 | SynrG | !tell samskiter about fixmbr |
| 17:04.23 | SynrG | any help? |
| 17:04.32 | SuperNil | <3 dpkg bot |
| 17:04.38 | samskiter | waiting for info |
| 17:04.52 | SuperNil | i ALWAYS forget the update sources.list and process. he is my savior |
| 17:05.09 | SynrG | samskiter: in another info |
| 17:05.09 | SynrG | window* |
| 17:05.15 | SynrG | argh. words. how do they work. |
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| 17:05.55 | samskiter | hahah. thanks. before i start, can i check you think doing that is sane based on the error i was getting: |
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| 17:06.19 | samskiter | “Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxx-xxx-xxx-xxxx does not exist! Dropping to a shell!" |
| 17:06.35 | samskiter | (where xxxxxxx is spec’d in grub) |
| 17:06.38 | SynrG | could be a drive swap? |
| 17:06.48 | DrFoo | I can't launch a shell on my root parition in rescue mode... do i need to do anything special? |
| 17:06.51 | SynrG | sounds like you just need to manually edit root= |
| 17:07.04 | samskiter | well root= is done in a search for another uuid |
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| 17:07.25 | samskiter | so a drive swap wouldn’t cover that am i right? |
| 17:07.38 | somiaj | samskiter: you need to fix grub to use the correct uuid of your root partition |
| 17:07.51 | somiaj | if you can chroot into the install 'update-grub' should do it |
| 17:07.58 | SynrG | yup |
| 17:08.07 | SynrG | sounds like grub is installed to the mbr just fine |
| 17:08.12 | SynrG | so the instructions dpkg bot sent don't apply |
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| 17:08.26 | SynrG | it's just your grub configuration that needs updating |
| 17:08.37 | samskiter | ok. so mount the drive? (as per the dpkg bot) and then chroot and then run update-grub? |
| 17:08.43 | SynrG | yup |
| 17:08.55 | SynrG | humm |
| 17:09.07 | SynrG | might need to bind-mount /dev, /sys, /proc |
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| 17:09.32 | SynrG | !bind mount |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 17:09.33 | samskiter | errr does the target of the mount matter? |
| 17:09.45 | SynrG | not particularly. can be /mnt |
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| 17:09.59 | somiaj | samskiter: any directory is fine |
| 17:10.13 | SynrG | mount /dev/whatever /mnt && mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys ... etc. |
| 17:10.38 | mtn | DrFoo: not sure what you mean. when you boot in rescue mode, did you log in as root? |
| 17:10.58 | samskiter | ahh ok. my “whatever” is also unclear. sda, sda1 or sda2 |
| 17:11.03 | SynrG | samskiter: repeat for /dev and /proc. this is to make those three accessible inside the chroot |
| 17:11.19 | samskiter | problem with having UUIDs to work with on this is i dont know what sdax they represent |
| 17:11.28 | SynrG | possibly /dev/sda1 if you put the root partition first |
| 17:11.39 | SynrG | you can mount and examine |
| 17:11.40 | somiaj | samskiter: you can use various tools to print them out |
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| 17:11.52 | SynrG | blkid, etc. |
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| 17:11.59 | sexblond | Do you like my tits? -> http://www.SweetEmmy.com/?id=245350 |
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| 17:12.00 | DrFoo | mtn: no It's a rescue util that allowed me to choose a root parition (in this case LVM) and then it asks if I want a shell in the installer env or the root partition env |
| 17:12.02 | somiaj | samskiter: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid is what I like, and blkid is good too |
| 17:12.04 | samskiter | somiaj: blkid doesnt report anything with the same uuid as my grub has |
| 17:12.04 | sexblond | Do you like my tits? -> http://www.SweetEmmy.com/?id=245350 |
| 17:12.18 | somiaj | samskiter: yea my guess is your grub has some uuid that is not correct |
| 17:12.19 | DrFoo | mtn: I do have root priveledges in the installer |
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| 17:12.31 | samskiter | somiaj: how did it get like this? slightly worrying? |
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| 17:12.37 | DrFoo | mtn: I can't get a shell to launch from the root partition |
| 17:12.41 | SuperNil | i need help updating my keyring .. im on an old system that was basically left alone for a while and needs upgrading dpkg bot have something relevant? |
| 17:12.44 | samskiter | i mean i did do a big update |
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| 17:13.17 | samskiter | we just ran a sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:13.27 | samskiter | but it mayyyyy have upgraded the kernel (not sure) |
| 17:13.35 | mtn | DrFoo: might be easier to use the debian installer booting into rescue mode |
| 17:13.36 | samskiter | stillm for a UUID to vanish seems suspicious no? |
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| 17:13.50 | DrFoo | mtn: that's what I did |
| 17:13.58 | somiaj | samskiter: I can't pretend to guess, uuid's should not change unless you change the actual file system. So I have no clue where it got that uuid from. You could mount all your curret file systems and make sure the actual partition is being detected by your system. |
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| 17:14.32 | SynrG | samskiter: when was it last booted? and how many people have root on it? |
| 17:14.43 | mtn | DrFoo: you said it was a resuce util, not the installer and resuce mode: <DrFoo> mtn: no It's a rescue util |
| 17:14.44 | SynrG | could've been an unrelated problem caused some other time |
| 17:14.47 | SynrG | only discovered on the reboot |
| 17:14.58 | DrFoo | mtn: my bad. sorry |
| 17:14.59 | samskiter | SynrG: thats possible actually. no idea when the last boot was |
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| 17:15.16 | SynrG | samskiter: as they've said, sounds unlikely the upgrade caused it |
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| 17:15.21 | samskiter | ok |
| 17:15.29 | mtn | DrFoo: then why are you trying to launch a shell, since you are already in one? |
| 17:15.54 | mtn | DrFoo: if you want to edit something, just open nano filename |
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| 17:16.05 | samskiter | the grub seems very strange too. it has set root=‘(hd0,msdos1)’ followed by search -blah=stuff —set=root xxx-xxx-xxxx |
| 17:16.15 | SynrG | samskiter: fairly normal |
| 17:16.16 | samskiter | wouldnt the search overwrite the ‘set’ ? |
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| 17:16.56 | samskiter | dont they both set the ‘root’ environment variable ? |
| 17:16.57 | DrFoo | mtn: after I choose rescue mode... it gives me options to select a root partition and then either open a shell in the install environment (rescue mode) or open a shell in the root partition... |
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| 17:17.17 | SynrG | samskiter: i think it still needs the search because until it gets the specific boot clauses, grub wants some idea of where things are. |
| 17:17.38 | samskiter | hmm ok.... |
| 17:18.00 | SynrG | when you get dropped to shell, maybe the earlier clause just orients grub so you can explore ... |
| 17:18.05 | SynrG | can't say for sure without checking doc |
| 17:18.09 | SynrG | but mine looks this way too |
| 17:18.14 | samskiter | ok |
| 17:18.48 | SynrG | oh! |
| 17:18.50 | SynrG | ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ### |
| 17:19.01 | SynrG | samskiter: duh. so it just needs to know where to get the grub theme from |
| 17:19.02 | samskiter | ok so /dev/sdb1 shows LABEL=“Debian Wheezy 20140209-15:16” TYPE=“iso9660” is that the live USB? |
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| 17:19.13 | SynrG | this makes sense :) |
| 17:19.22 | samskiter | wait huh what? |
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| 17:19.43 | SynrG | samskiter: there are repeated clauses in there for each /etc/grub.d/whatever |
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| 17:19.55 | SynrG | some of it is redundant. but this is just due to the modular nature of the config |
| 17:19.59 | samskiter | in your grub? |
| 17:20.09 | SynrG | yes. which is fairly standard, as i said |
| 17:20.27 | SynrG | wheezy system. nothing fancy |
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| 17:21.03 | N4Y_webchat | hi there, i'm having an issue with my apt |
| 17:21.11 | samskiter | ok. then sda1 shows a UUID followed by type=“ext2” and sda2 shows a UUID and TYPE=“LVM2_member" |
| 17:21.14 | SynrG | samskiter: and yes, that's the live USB |
| 17:21.14 | N4Y_webchat | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 17:21.20 | SynrG | (sdb1) |
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| 17:22.17 | N4Y_webchat | details: https://gist.github.com/Nothing4You/3c4bd5672f9dc8e41d05 |
| 17:22.26 | somiaj | N4Y_webchat: do you care to paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net? |
| 17:22.37 | N4Y_webchat | somiaj: it's included in the gist |
| 17:22.37 | samskiter | SynrG: so hopefully the sda1 is the right partition to mount and chroot |
| 17:22.45 | N4Y_webchat | there is nothing in sources.list.d |
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| 17:23.44 | somiaj | N4Y_webchat: yea I don't see why it is wanting to use https, I don't have an https method anywhere. I do notice you have some extra and uneeded repos |
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| 17:24.04 | somiaj | N4Y_webchat: testing does not have security so I would comment out those, I would comment out your duplicate repos, and i would use the word 'jessie' isntead of 'testing' |
| 17:24.52 | N4Y_webchat | can't even `apt-get update` |
| 17:24.55 | somiaj | N4Y_webchat: You could look at 'apt-cache policy locate' and see which repo it is comming from and I'm unsure why it is requing https over http |
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| 17:25.13 | SynrG | some proxy screwing you over? |
| 17:25.26 | somiaj | or could it be he has a 'use ssl' setting in his apt config somewhere? |
| 17:25.30 | N4Y_webchat | ugh weird |
| 17:25.34 | SynrG | or that |
| 17:25.41 | N4Y_webchat | just tried apt-get update again, and it suddenly worked this time |
| 17:25.42 | SynrG | any /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
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| 17:25.54 | SynrG | congratulations |
| 17:26.04 | sbuddht | whats the difference between the 222mb minimal network install CD image (debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso) and the 25mb tiny network install CD image (mini.iso)? |
| 17:26.18 | SynrG | samskiter: hopefully :) |
| 17:26.29 | SynrG | samskiter: you'll find out soon enough, by direct examination |
| 17:26.30 | N4Y_webchat | weird things |
| 17:26.38 | somiaj | sbuddht: I wouldn't suggest either of those unless you have no choice but use that minimial of a install medium |
| 17:26.49 | sbuddht | somiaj: why? |
| 17:26.55 | samskiter | SynrG: all /mnt contains after mounting is grub stuff i think. images and such like |
| 17:26.57 | somiaj | sbuddht: oh wait that is the netinstall, I would suggest that one |
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| 17:27.04 | samskiter | there is no /mnt/sys |
| 17:27.10 | SynrG | samskiter: looks like your /boot partition |
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| 17:27.30 | SynrG | probably root is on lvm |
| 17:27.43 | sbuddht | somiaj: the 222mb is the "Small CDs" one, the other is the "Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc.": https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:27.47 | samskiter | ok. from what i read LVM has something to do with raid? |
| 17:27.49 | somiaj | sbuddht: the netinstall contains a fully functional base system on it that does not need the internet to work, so even if your internet card is not detected, you can install a fully functional base system from the netinstall and then from that functional system get things to work and install software |
| 17:27.50 | SynrG | how to assemble lvm from rescue media, i don't know. i don't use it |
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| 17:28.10 | SynrG | samskiter: not really. |
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| 17:28.19 | N4Y_webchat | did `apt-get update`, then `cat /etc/apt/sources.list`, then another `apt-get update` and it suddenly worked https://gist.github.com/Nothing4You/302de6b6b93fe3d55a6a |
| 17:28.20 | sbuddht | somiaj: but it will install an outdated base system then? |
| 17:28.22 | SynrG | !lvm |
| 17:28.22 | somiaj | sbuddht: that is for people who need a fully minimal system, it only contains enough info to boot and then get on the network. I would only suggest it if you are in a case where you cannot use the netinstall |
| 17:28.23 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:28.23 | N4Y_webchat | installing locate also worked now |
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| 17:28.55 | sbuddht | somiaj: i strongly favor installing all packages up to date from the internet |
| 17:29.01 | somiaj | sbuddht: it will install the 7.4 base, once you connect to the internet you can get all secuirty and updates (really there are not that many thigns that get updated in wheezy, lots of security, ocsaionally bug fixes) |
| 17:29.09 | SynrG | samskiter: you can query the dpkg bot about those other topics |
| 17:29.35 | sbuddht | somiaj: mmh well it sucks that the really tiny one seems less maintained because installing outdated stuff sucks :| |
| 17:29.43 | somiaj | sbuddht: you will be able to do that either way. Having a more functional base install to me is more useful than ensuring that all these base packages are upto date. Most of them are anyways. |
| 17:29.44 | N4Y_webchat | then i'm having another issue |
| 17:30.19 | sbuddht | somiaj: thanks anyway :) |
| 17:30.24 | somiaj | sbuddht: the minimial one is totally based on the mirror you want to use, I have never actually used it as it probabaly needs speical mirrors to get the base system. |
| 17:30.29 | N4Y_webchat | i don't seem to be able to include ssl3.h for some reason i don't understand: https://gist.github.com/Nothing4You/976c46084185b8533309 |
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| 17:30.46 | samskiter | SynrG: ok ill ask a bit more |
| 17:30.57 | ZIPY | hey, does someone know how to adjust the time format ? i want to add Day, Date and Seconds |
| 17:31.04 | sbuddht | somiaj: i've used it like 10 times over the past few years, always worked. i just started wondering why there even still is a larger one advertised |
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| 17:31.38 | sbuddht | somiaj: IMHO there should only be 2 images, one which contains everything, and one which contains only the absolute minimal amount of stuff needed to download everything else from the net |
| 17:31.54 | DoctorWedgeworth | Can anyone help explain weird behaviour for apt-get? If I have a package (libmysqlclient18) which is being held back (because mariadb-server depends on it, but /etc/apt/sources.list.d/percona.list brings in a new version). If I run apt-get dist-upgrade it's not upgraded. If I run apt-get dist-upgrade -o "Dir::Etc::SourceList=/dev/null", it is |
| 17:32.02 | sbuddht | somiaj: having a medium sized one which contains some stuff only is confusing and half baked |
| 17:32.24 | somiaj | sbuddht: I personally like having a base system on my install media. and in debian 'having everything' is a huge amount of stuff as almost everyone only uses a small amount of the debian packages available. |
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| 17:34.00 | somiaj | the main install media is the netinstall (minimial) and then either cd's or dvd images. |
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| 17:34.16 | somiaj | the netboot and business cd are extra stuff for special situations. Use them if you like |
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| 17:35.13 | sbuddht | somiaj: well my point is that the netinst minimal constains more stuff than needed to download everything else from the network, which IMHO is an arbitrary choice. the image should either contain only stuff needed to download all other stuff from the net, or everything and not download anything at all. shipping some outdated packages even though they are not needed doesn't make sense |
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| 17:35.56 | SynrG | the rationale is one way or the other you *do* need what's in netinst, so why not include it? it all has to be downloaded somehow ... |
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| 17:36.14 | SynrG | and there are cases where the network simply breaks when using netinst |
| 17:36.24 | SynrG | at least you can install a base system and then recover from that |
| 17:36.39 | SynrG | so it's "minimal" (fsvo of "minimal") |
| 17:36.45 | SynrG | smaller than that is possible, but less usable |
| 17:36.51 | somiaj | and they are not outdated, I just think the name netinstall is missleading. It is similar to say centos 'minimial' install |
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| 17:38.05 | somiaj | I think the kernel would be the most likely package to have secuirty fixes (and maybe feature updates), but the business cd is gonna have that same kernel. |
| 17:38.10 | SynrG | optimizing for smaller media sizes just isn't an interesting problem anymore :p |
| 17:38.23 | SynrG | (usb makes it largely irrelevant) |
| 17:38.34 | N4Y_webchat | g2g now, will ask again later |
| 17:38.36 | SuperNil | is etch able to be upgraded ? this box aparently wasn't receiving updates, trying to get a valid gpg key |
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| 17:38.50 | somiaj | SuperNil: you have to go one release at a time |
| 17:38.57 | SuperNil | im trying.. but i have invalid keys. |
| 17:39.00 | somiaj | SuperNil: so it would be etch -> squeeze(?) and then to wheezy |
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| 17:39.04 | SynrG | N4Y_webchat: just need the -dev package |
| 17:39.27 | SuperNil | i got that info from dpkg bot.. but im looking on how to manually update the keys ala bad/invalid old signatures |
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| 17:40.08 | somiaj | SuperNil: you will have to go /msg dpkg etch->lenny, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:40.26 | somiaj | SuperNil: etch and lenny are only on archive.debian. (think it is net might be org) |
| 17:40.33 | somiaj | they are not on the offical mirrors any more |
| 17:41.05 | SuperNil | ... im trying to do apt-get update after putting the archive urls in there.. and the key is to old .. wont update.. i have done this ages ago but forget |
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| 17:42.14 | DrFoo | Are the deb 7 and deb 6 install cds different, or does it just pull the latest from the net? |
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| 17:42.41 | tremon | DoctorWedgeworth: apt assigns package priorities based on the repository they're coming from. See apt-cache policy to check, but my guess is that running with a null sources.list makes apt consider all packages local (i.e. of equal priority) |
| 17:42.50 | somiaj | SuperNil: man apt-key |
| 17:42.51 | SynrG | DrFoo: they are different. different kernels, for starters |
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| 17:43.09 | SynrG | DrFoo: but yes, each one is, itself, built from the release it supports, and so has different components |
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| 17:43.32 | somiaj | SuperNil: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt might help |
| 17:43.33 | SuperNil | ty somiaj i will look. |
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| 17:43.38 | DrFoo | SynrG: is the rescue mode compatible? I only have a deb 6 dvd and have a deb 7 install |
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| 17:43.51 | deanrock0 | hi, what's the best way to install python3.3 on wheezy? |
| 17:43.51 | SynrG | DrFoo: "it depends"? |
| 17:44.00 | DoctorWedgeworth | tremon, it does it with any non-existant package list, do you tihnk it's a bug? |
| 17:44.10 | DoctorWedgeworth | shouldn't it not do anything at all with a null repo list? |
| 17:44.11 | T60 | DOes anyone know of a distro that doesn't use X? I keep getting a caplocks problem. |
| 17:44.11 | SynrG | DrFoo: it's certainly within the realm of the possible that it could work ... |
| 17:44.28 | SynrG | DrFoo: but equally possible your deb7 system was built in some way the deb6 rescue doesn't recognize |
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| 17:44.58 | somiaj | DrFoo: It would depend on if the kernel supports your hardware and the like you need to recover. But if so you could use that to create a chroot enviorment to fix things, but the kernel may be lacking features (I think squeeze was new enough for udev and most important things) |
| 17:45.10 | SynrG | T60: debian can work without X |
| 17:45.29 | somiaj | though I wouldn't use the rescue feature, I would just load up the installer, load the installer components and drop to a shell, do the rest manually |
| 17:45.31 | tremon | DoctorWedgeworth: probably not if the new packages have already been downloaded. If it's a bug, it's probably no more than wishlist priority since there isn't really a usecase for running apt without any sources |
| 17:45.32 | DrFoo | SynrG: I'm in the rescue mode with a shell running in the installer env. I tried to run a shell on my installed system via ./sh but it gives errors. |
| 17:45.34 | T60 | What would the alternative be? |
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| 17:45.38 | SynrG | T60: i think you misunderstood our earlier advice. it was perhaps a bit tongue-in-cheek? desktop users typically can't avoid using X |
| 17:45.55 | SynrG | T60: without X you just have a text-only console |
| 17:45.56 | somiaj | DrFoo: what sort of errors? |
| 17:46.29 | DrFoo | somiaj: syntax errors... |
| 17:46.29 | DrFoo | which seems odd |
| 17:46.36 | SuperNil | is there a command to for certain verify which version of debian im running ? i have some keys in here for lenny yet this thing claims 4.0 /etc/debian_version |
| 17:46.40 | T60 | So am I left with this issue FOREVER |
| 17:46.47 | DrFoo | I'm wondering if that's why grub is not able to boot |
| 17:47.04 | SuperNil | 'capslock problem' lol wtf. |
| 17:47.11 | SynrG | T60: no. just until the fix we found for you makes it into a version of Xorg you use. |
| 17:47.26 | somiaj | SuperNil: 4.0 is etch |
| 17:47.29 | T60 | How does one update xorg completely? |
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| 17:48.02 | somiaj | SuperNil: though that file isn't the best way to verrify, depends on what packages you actually ahve installed, there is a tool lsb-release that scans more of your system |
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| 17:48.21 | SynrG | T60: generally one doesn't. in stable releases, the same Xorg is used until the next release (in debian this is at about 2 year intervals) unless a backport is available. but no backport is available at this time for xorg for debian 7. |
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| 17:48.50 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg |
| 17:48.51 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; sid: 1:7.7+7 |
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| 17:49.09 | T60 | I guess I will use Capslock or Shift really slowly, so I don't mess up. |
| 17:49.15 | somiaj | T60: they did backport a version in squeeze a bit late in its life, but there is no guarntee they will repeate that in wheezy. |
| 17:49.19 | DoctorWedgeworth | tremon, it says the package is on hold even if I'm only using the sources.list (the percona source bringing it in is in sources.list.d). I had a bug in a script I'm trying to isolate now which I'm guessing didn't specify the sources.list correctly, but as a result of the two it ended up removing mariadb from a production server |
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| 17:50.16 | somiaj | though I think we have an xy-problem here. What is this 'caps lock' problem you run into, and why do you think it is your version of X that is the problem? |
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| 17:51.03 | somiaj | maybe something is changing your xmodmap |
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| 17:51.13 | SynrG | somiaj: see about 3.5 hours ago |
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| 17:51.21 | SynrG | somiaj: no, nothing like that |
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| 17:52.39 | SynrG | somiaj: background: http://paste.debian.net/92764/ |
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| 17:55.05 | somiaj | SynrG: intersting bug |
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| 17:55.27 | somiaj | was gonna suggest just map shift to his capslock key |
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| 17:55.45 | tremon | DoctorWedgeworth: I'm not exactly sure how SourceList and SourceParts are supposed to work together. It's conceivable that if you null SourceList, apt may still continue reading the SourceParts from sources.list.d. Try it with apt-cache |
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| 18:14.03 | Intii | Hey all, I've followed the ISPMail tutorials to successfully setup an e-mail server but I'm having one issue which I can't seem to figure out. I want to have roundcube be on the "root" of my server instead of /roundcube |
| 18:14.06 | Intii | How could I do that? |
| 18:14.36 | SuperNil | setup alias perhaps for apache |
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| 18:15.17 | somiaj | Intii: sounds like you want a chroot? (note they are not that secure if someone gets root access they can break out of it) |
| 18:15.43 | Intii | somiaj: No not a chroot |
| 18:15.47 | petemc | Intii: there should be an example apache config that caters for that |
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| 18:15.50 | somiaj | Intii: though I have no idea what /roundcube directory would be, is this a directory you wanted to chroot your mailserver into. |
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| 18:15.58 | Intii | I want to be able to access roundcube by going to mail.mydomain.com instead of mail.mydomain.com/roundcube |
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| 18:16.28 | somiaj | Intii: oh didn't think of a webserver being there. Sure you can set DocumentRoot in the apache.conf files for that domainname |
| 18:16.30 | petemc | Intii: in the absence of an example config, all you really need to change is DocumentRoot |
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| 18:17.21 | somiaj | or you can write a ModRewrite but setting DocumentRoot is probabaly what you want here. |
| 18:17.55 | SuperNil | fuk fixing this thing, its getting reloaded. lol |
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| 18:20.08 | somiaj | SuperNil: it is probabaly time, etch is quite old (: |
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| 18:20.47 | Intii | petemc: the default site config? |
| 18:20.54 | Intii | The roundcube config has some other stuff in there too |
| 18:21.00 | Intii | I just don't know what to bring over |
| 18:21.57 | somiaj | Intii: you have root acces to this machine you are hosting on? If so /etc/apche2 contains the config info, you just need to modify the config to change the DocumentRoot |
| 18:22.12 | petemc | Intii: if thats all you're running apache for, you can rename the current default and copy the roundcube config to default |
| 18:22.15 | somiaj | Intii: if you do not have root access to modify the apache config files you can do this with ModRewrite, but this is more an #apache config issue than anything. |
| 18:22.30 | Intii | I have full root access |
| 18:23.18 | somiaj | Intii: in /etc/apache2/sites-available is where you can set up the various sites you are hosting |
| 18:24.09 | somiaj | Intii: as petemc says if you are not servering anything else on that webserver just modify the 000-default.conf file, if you are serveing multiple things (say more than just the mail.foo.com) you will need to configure the DocumentRoot for that paticular domain. |
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| 18:24.57 | Intii | This server is just gonna host roundcube |
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| 18:25.11 | Intii | So I'll modify the 000-default |
| 18:25.18 | somiaj | and restart apache afterwards |
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| 18:30.26 | average | is it possible to make Mutt scroll up periodically so as to see the latest messages in the current folder ? |
| 18:30.48 | average | I'm sorry if I'm a bit offtopic |
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| 18:32.58 | petemc | when i used mutt i used to press $ every so often |
| 18:33.04 | babilen | average: There is a perfectly fine #mutt channel and I am not sure what you want, but it wouldn't do that on its own |
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| 18:38.20 | uffs | how do i setup redmine on a subdomain with apache? |
| 18:38.29 | uffs | i have installed redmine-sqlite from the package |
| 18:38.36 | uffs | i use this instruction |
| 18:38.37 | uffs | http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_using_Debian_package |
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| 18:38.51 | uffs | and configuration file similar to this one |
| 18:38.53 | uffs | http://blog.justin.kelly.org.au/sub-domain-setup-for-redmine-modpassenger/ |
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| 18:39.54 | somiaj | uffs: look at /etc/apache2/sites-available and set up one for this subdomain |
| 18:40.17 | somiaj | uffs: that is a directory of sites. Then link it to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and restart apache to take effect. |
| 18:40.20 | uffs | somiaj: already done |
| 18:40.30 | uffs | apache restarted and reloaded without errors |
| 18:40.36 | uffs | nothing in the logs |
| 18:40.38 | somiaj | then make sure your dns knows what ip to point to and you should be fine |
| 18:40.44 | dontknow | i installed ffmpeg codec, vlc, ffmpegthumbnailer but i can't get video thumbnails in thunar. do you think i should install some other packages? |
| 18:40.47 | uffs | hmm |
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| 18:40.56 | somiaj | you may have to go add that subdomain to your dns |
| 18:41.05 | uffs | somiaj: yeah that makes sense |
| 18:42.48 | somiaj | uffs: if you just wanted to check the apache config, you can add that subdomain to your /etc/hosts file |
| 18:43.02 | somiaj | on the machine you are running y our browser on |
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| 18:46.09 | average | petemc: thanks |
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| 18:46.59 | samskiter | SynrG: are you still here? i just followed your instructions to make a non hybrid usb and its not booting :9 |
| 18:47.00 | samskiter | :( |
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| 18:48.17 | dontknow | anyone here uses xfce4 and get video thumbnails? |
| 18:48.25 | somiaj | samskiter: well if you can pull the hdd, do a manual install with debootstrap from a functioning machine. |
| 18:48.49 | samskiter | i have a functioning machine running kubuntu |
| 18:49.03 | samskiter | so thats what i set the usb up with |
| 18:49.18 | somiaj | samskiter: you can run deboostrap from most *nix oses just fine. |
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| 18:49.44 | somiaj | samskiter: does this machine have efi boot? |
| 18:50.03 | samskiter | ermmm how do i tell? |
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| 18:50.52 | somiaj | samskiter: it is the modern replacement to bios, so it will be a modern machine. Go look in your settings for uefi of your bios. the wheezy images do have efi boot, but secure mode has to be disabled, or they also boot in legacy mode |
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| 18:51.13 | somiaj | but in the past few years they have become far more common |
| 18:51.14 | samskiter | hmmmm |
| 18:51.36 | samskiter | i *did* turno n legacy usb earlier |
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| 18:51.50 | somiaj | that is different |
| 18:51.52 | samskiter | but that was to get me past a hang after the memory check |
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| 18:52.15 | somiaj | is this a laptop, if so which one? |
| 18:52.20 | samskiter | no its a rack server |
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| 18:52.40 | samskiter | phoenix trustedcore server apparently |
| 18:52.41 | samskiter | :S |
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| 18:54.32 | somiaj | samskiter: well I was just checking one more thing. I'm unsure how many rack servers are using uefi. If you are up for the work, running debootstrap from another machine with the hdd will put a minimial base system on it. Then you can chroot into it and make it bootable, maybe install some additional software. |
| 18:54.53 | somiaj | move the hd over and boot it |
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| 18:55.52 | samskiter | ahh i see. does that not mess up the partitions? im quite worried about messing with the HDD because after i ran some LVM commands on it with it plugged into another machine it showed errors about missing other physical devices |
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| 18:56.11 | samskiter | ie i think theres something with raid or partitions going on across multiple physical devices? |
| 18:56.34 | galex-713 | Hello, how can I cut some video using avconv? I want to remove the last seconds of some video |
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| 18:57.34 | somiaj | samskiter: you would want to move the whole lvm setup over. Maybe in that case use debootstrap to install a small system on a non lvm hd, boot that up and then install again on the lvm setup. |
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| 18:58.01 | somiaj | samskiter: you could also do this on a usb, and see if it will boot a normal grub on a usb drive |
| 18:58.04 | samskiter | yes. does it work on a usb stick? |
| 18:58.11 | samskiter | ahhh ok that might be best |
| 18:58.25 | somiaj | samskiter: again these are just ideas, I'm not sure what the actual best solution for you would be. |
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| 18:59.09 | samskiter | thanks |
| 18:59.21 | samskiter | i just need something bootable with basic tools i suppose |
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| 19:00.00 | samskiter | current plan is to get booted onto this and mount the LVM, then chroot and run a grub-update |
| 19:00.11 | samskiter | although everything after the first step i still dont know how to do haha |
| 19:00.14 | somiaj | samskiter: do you know of any live images that boot on this system? Is it just the debian's hybrid iso's the bios doesn't like? |
| 19:00.32 | somiaj | oh it has a running system, you are trying to recover...:/ |
| 19:01.18 | somiaj | the chroot fix should work from any linux live system that can reconize the lvm and has a modern enough kernel |
| 19:01.19 | samskiter | yes, the backstory is after update and reboot it seems the UUID in the grub setup doesnt match any partition uuid |
| 19:01.39 | samskiter | ok so does arch have a usb-hdd image maybe? |
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| 19:01.49 | somiaj | I don't know |
| 19:02.16 | somiaj | samskiter: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/oldstable/ -- oldstable use to have them, probablay still there |
| 19:02.23 | somiaj | I'd grab the rescue image |
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| 19:02.49 | somiaj | samskiter: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/oldstable/amd64/usb-hdd/debian-live-6.0.9-amd64-rescue.img |
| 19:02.55 | somiaj | assuming you wanted amd64 |
| 19:02.56 | samskiter | thanks |
| 19:02.58 | samskiter | yea thats fine |
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| 19:06.05 | _-_-_-_- | Hey all |
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| 19:07.05 | _-_-_-_- | I've gone and haphazardly pulled off an apt-get dist-upgrade to patch the heartbleed bug, and have left myself in a bit of a sticky position where it's stalled at trying to remove a package that i really don't think I want to remove |
| 19:07.22 | erickr | Hi, Can I encrypt and send a file securely to another user, if I have their id_rsa.pub file? |
| 19:07.43 | _-_-_-_- | apt now won't budge unless i apt-get -f install |
| 19:08.04 | SynrG | !bat |
| 19:08.04 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:08.24 | _-_-_-_- | and wants to remove something which gets updated by its own tricky mechanism (omd -- detailed here http://mathias-kettner.de/checkmk_install_with_omd.html ) |
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| 19:08.33 | _-_-_-_- | thanks SynrG will paste |
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| 19:09.41 | somiaj | _-_-_-_-: what version of debian? Can you share your sources.list, sounds like you are mixing things. |
| 19:09.54 | SynrG | indeed |
| 19:10.11 | SynrG | anyway, all will be plain with apt-cache policy |
| 19:10.16 | _-_-_-_- | http://paste.debian.net/92781/ |
| 19:10.37 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: the other info too, please. |
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| 19:10.47 | _-_-_-_- | one moment |
| 19:11.13 | dontknow | how can i get video thumbnails in thunar on xfce4? |
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| 19:11.17 | somiaj | looks like he manually installed this omd-0.56 deb, and the current upgrade breaks the depends on it. |
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| 19:12.03 | _-_-_-_- | this is debian testing, and output of apt-cache policy\: http://paste.debian.net/92783/ |
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| 19:12.46 | _-_-_-_- | it's also gone and messed up apache to the point of not starting but i'm guessing this conflict may be what I want to resolve firstly |
| 19:12.48 | SynrG | testing? |
| 19:12.53 | SynrG | unstable |
| 19:12.58 | _-_-_-_- | unstable sorry |
| 19:13.08 | SynrG | with some old squeeze/wheezy crap in there too |
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| 19:13.27 | _-_-_-_- | yeah it seems like a mess indeed |
| 19:13.29 | ompaul | that is a mess |
| 19:13.35 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: you can't mix stable and unstable. you can't mix oldstable + stable + unstable ... |
| 19:13.35 | xunil | SynrG: Well, the 'old squeeze' crap isn't affected by Heartblead bug at least :) |
| 19:13.36 | _-_-_-_- | haha beat you to it |
| 19:13.42 | ompaul | kill all non sid and stable |
| 19:13.58 | somiaj | and squeeze backports (: |
| 19:14.02 | xunil | So Heartblead also affects Debian Wheezy, is there already an upgrade for OpenSSL? |
| 19:14.03 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade do it from a terminal while not logged in |
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| 19:14.32 | _-_-_-_- | ompaul: that's what got me into this mess in the first place |
| 19:14.33 | t_dot_zilla | how do you check your debian package of openssl to see if it has been patched? |
| 19:14.34 | SynrG | ompaul: if it takes out omd, ask them to kindly support your release. |
| 19:14.37 | _-_-_-_- | of course |
| 19:14.39 | ompaul | xunil: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <<<< if you are on stable |
| 19:14.41 | SynrG | er, _-_-_-_- |
| 19:14.47 | SynrG | sorry. sick. |
| 19:14.49 | somiaj | _-_-_-_-: as for that third party deb you installed, you will have to talk to the people who made it about its depends. But first you should run a clean version of debian. |
| 19:14.51 | SynrG | shouldn't even be using irc :P |
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| 19:15.15 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: be very wary of *any* vendor who says "supports Debian" and no mention of which release(s) |
| 19:15.22 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: sounds like they are clueless |
| 19:15.28 | ompaul | SynrG: :) |
| 19:15.41 | somiaj | yea maybe he added sid sources for one package, and now is trying to dist-upgrade to it. You should decide if you want to run stable or unstable. You might be able to fix this to run unstable, but will probably have to reinstall to run stable. |
| 19:15.42 | _-_-_-_- | hey isn't my choices or implementation here |
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| 19:16.01 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: you could perhaps run omd in a chroot of a supported release ... |
| 19:16.02 | _-_-_-_- | i'd never in my right mind set things up like this, clearly I see the source of the insanity now |
| 19:16.05 | somiaj | _-_-_-_-:^^ |
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| 19:16.16 | _-_-_-_- | this is going to be fun to clean up pretty much |
| 19:16.19 | SynrG | yup |
| 19:16.22 | SynrG | fsvo "fun" |
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| 19:17.02 | _-_-_-_- | there's going to be the guy who set this up in the first place coming in on shift in 50mins or so and i just know he's going to call me an idiot |
| 19:18.32 | SynrG | _-_-_-_-: "Certainty of death, small chance of success =- what are we waiting for?" |
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| 19:20.20 | ompaul | _-_-_-_-: so here is the deal - you can do nothing, do what I suggest, restore from backups, something else |
| 19:21.06 | _-_-_-_- | ompaul: so kill all non sid and squeeze backports |
| 19:21.16 | somiaj | I say make it someone elses problem, sounds like 50mins is all you have to do is wait. |
| 19:21.27 | somiaj | running an unstable server is just bad bad juju in the first place. (: |
| 19:21.40 | _-_-_-_- | and apt-get update && dist-upgrade |
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| 19:22.06 | _-_-_-_- | yeah that's my opinion too, somiaj -- still, i'll catch the blame for it, peter's principle in full effect |
| 19:22.35 | _-_-_-_- | this guy doesn't seem to get how backports are supposed to be managed via stable |
| 19:22.56 | dontknow | SynrG, do you know how to get video thumbnails in thunar on xfce4? |
| 19:22.59 | ompaul | _-_-_-_-: all that is not sid - you can't get back if you did a partial dist-upgrade |
| 19:23.08 | ompaul | unless you want to spend the next 8 hours at it |
| 19:23.25 | _-_-_-_- | why would that take 8 hours |
| 19:23.26 | SynrG | dontknow: no, but if you hum a few bars, i can fake it |
| 19:23.30 | ompaul | well I say can't - downgrades are not supported |
| 19:23.46 | ompaul | _-_-_-_-: time to parse what was upgraded restore it andyou only get back to where you were |
| 19:23.56 | ompaul | interesting |
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| 19:24.30 | _-_-_-_- | i think best course of action would honestly be to just back up configurations that can be ported to a fresh install of this admin thing |
| 19:24.31 | SynrG | dontknow: *either* there's a file size limit, *or* a 'remote filesystem' limit, *or* some missing package that does the thumbnailing. take your pick (or some mix of all 3 :) |
| 19:24.42 | ompaul | squeeze squeeze-backports wheezy unstable |
| 19:24.48 | ompaul | _-_-_-_-: ^^ |
| 19:25.26 | ompaul | _-_-_-_-: are you also doing multiarch? |
| 19:25.41 | t_dot_zilla | did debian wheezy push the patched version of openssl yet? |
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| 19:26.08 | _-_-_-_- | there an easy way to tell which packages came from which wonky repos? |
| 19:26.11 | ompaul | t_dot_zilla: on the servers that worked yes - we don't know of any that didn't |
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| 19:26.30 | t_dot_zilla | the servers that worked? |
| 19:26.39 | _-_-_-_- | don't think this is multiarch |
| 19:26.48 | _-_-_-_- | dpkg -l | grep 386 isnt turning up anything |
| 19:26.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep 386 isnt turning up anything |
| 19:26.48 | t_dot_zilla | i did apt-get upgrade yesterday and noticed openssl was upgraded |
| 19:26.57 | ompaul | t_dot_zilla: have you done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 19:27.01 | ross` | OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010 |
| 19:27.02 | SynrG | dontknow: do you have xfce4-goodies installed? |
| 19:27.03 | t_dot_zilla | yes |
| 19:27.09 | ross` | Do i have the heartblood vulnerabilitty |
| 19:27.13 | ross` | running lenny |
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| 19:27.32 | ompaul | ross`: you don't have security and there are other issues but not heartbeat |
| 19:27.41 | dontknow | SynrG, i solved the issue by installing tumbler-plugins-extra. thanks |
| 19:27.53 | SynrG | yeah |
| 19:27.57 | ompaul | t_dot_zilla: if on stable and you did that you are ok |
| 19:28.05 | SynrG | dontknow: package description of goodies says it isn't included because it's dependency-heavy |
| 19:28.10 | SynrG | just noticed |
| 19:28.11 | t_dot_zilla | cool |
| 19:28.12 | Zzeiss | does Wheezy have a heartbleed patch out yet? apt-get update & apt-get install openssl says it's at most recent, which is 1.0.1e which is vulnerable. |
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| 19:28.34 | ompaul | Zzeiss: go look at the secyrity part of the web site and compare version numbers |
| 19:28.42 | SynrG | Zzeiss: see channel topic |
| 19:28.42 | xar- | do any of you google at all? |
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| 19:28.58 | xar- | lol |
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| 19:29.10 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.43 | samskiter | i simply cannot get a server to boot from usb. does anyone have any hints/pointers for stuff is should look for in my BIOS settings. currently it gets past the bios load then just shows a blank screen |
| 19:29.44 | Zzeiss | well I guess not. |
| 19:29.53 | babilen | Zzeiss: Please also provide the information I asked for earlier |
| 19:30.14 | babilen | Zzeiss: The answer is "yes", but check the DSA please :) |
| 19:30.22 | SynrG | samskiter: tried a different media? not the live rescue? |
| 19:30.45 | SynrG | samskiter: maybe vga=# to force a video mode ... |
| 19:30.46 | samskiter | SynrG: ive been trying oldstable usb-hdd |
| 19:30.47 | Owner | ompaul, thanks |
| 19:30.51 | SynrG | samskiter: ugh |
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| 19:31.03 | samskiter | SynrG: i know :( |
| 19:31.07 | SynrG | samskiter: the rescue image, though? |
| 19:31.11 | samskiter | yes |
| 19:31.29 | SynrG | samskiter: it's possible live is broken for you and the breakage started at oldstable ... tried a non-live? |
| 19:31.34 | SynrG | samskiter: like the netinst |
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| 19:31.51 | samskiter | no. not come across these variants before |
| 19:32.05 | SynrG | samskiter: that would divide between "live images are broken" and "i just can't get anything to boot" |
| 19:32.29 | samskiter | ok so im looking for debian netinst usb image? |
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| 19:33.00 | SynrG | samskiter: just the hybrid iso. i think we've shown it's not usb-hdd vs. hybrid iso that's the issue. |
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| 19:33.14 | SynrG | samskiter: as i said before, BIOSes that can't handle hybrid are rare |
| 19:33.29 | samskiter | ok |
| 19:33.43 | SynrG | !tell samskiter about netinst |
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| 19:34.03 | SynrG | if *that* fails, we have something strange |
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| 19:34.41 | samskiter | SynrG: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso is this what im looking for? and i just cp it onto the usb stick as usual/ |
| 19:34.50 | diamonds | added chrome sources but can't find google-chrome-stable |
| 19:34.57 | diamonds | is there a step required after adding something to sources.list? |
| 19:35.07 | SynrG | samskiter: exactly |
| 19:35.17 | diamonds | :q:q |
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| 19:35.31 | petern_ | not "as usual" |
| 19:35.38 | samskiter | SynrG: also, is it worth trying the vga=#option you are talking about? |
| 19:35.42 | petern_ | cp it onto the device, not a filesystem on a partition on the device. |
| 19:35.45 | samskiter | (where is that option set? ) |
| 19:35.47 | Guest54378 | how can i get a list of executable files (binaries?) installed by package P? |
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| 19:36.04 | SynrG | petern_: we've been at this for a while. i think he has that part ok |
| 19:36.13 | samskiter | :P |
| 19:36.22 | SynrG | samskiter: uh, if you don't get a boot prompt of any kind ... |
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| 19:36.28 | SynrG | samskiter: kinda hard to do :( |
| 19:36.34 | diamonds | sorry not in vim :( figured it out |
| 19:36.46 | samskiter | SynrG: nope. bios -> black screen. ok ill get this thing onto the usb and see whats up |
| 19:36.47 | petern_ | ok :) |
| 19:37.37 | SynrG | samskiter: i don't know much about server BIOSes. i know in some PC BIOSes there are confusing options for booting from USB sometimes ... |
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| 19:37.50 | SynrG | samskiter: because "removable media" might seem reasonable, but isn't actually it. |
| 19:38.04 | SynrG | samskiter: are you pressing some key to bring up a devices menu and then selecting the USB? |
| 19:38.13 | samskiter | no im setting a boot order |
| 19:38.18 | samskiter | and setting the usb above the hdd |
| 19:38.27 | SynrG | samskiter: and what is "USB" described as, exactly? |
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| 19:38.40 | samskiter | hang on |
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| 19:38.46 | samskiter | *smashes f2* |
| 19:38.54 | SynrG | :) not too violently |
| 19:39.21 | samskiter | i can assure you that this system’s ram has been THOROUGHLY checked today. starting to tire of the wait on *every* boot |
| 19:39.30 | Zzeiss | babilen: I'm working it. /etc/apt/sources.list wasn't in good shape. That didn't help. |
| 19:39.39 | SynrG | haha |
| 19:39.42 | samskiter | so it shows as a “USB HDD: corsairblahblahblah” |
| 19:39.46 | SynrG | samskiter: no way to skip that? with esc or so? |
| 19:39.50 | samskiter | nope |
| 19:39.55 | samskiter | :) |
| 19:39.56 | SynrG | ok, so that sounds perfectly reasonable |
| 19:40.06 | samskiter | ok |
| 19:40.11 | SynrG | in old PC-based BIOSes you might see USB floppy or some madness |
| 19:40.19 | Guest54378 | after i install package P, how can i list the "programs" installed by it? |
| 19:40.22 | SynrG | which is *not* suitable. and then have to actually go into the "hdd" menu |
| 19:40.23 | samskiter | yes, it seems reasonanly sane |
| 19:40.31 | samskiter | bah |
| 19:40.32 | samskiter | ok |
| 19:41.01 | SynrG | samskiter: but if it specifically mentions the corsair, it's probably ok (unless you have a *second* non-functional USB hiding in a port somewhere and you didn't notice?) |
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| 19:41.52 | SynrG | that would be embarrassing for you, so i hope it's not that ... ;) |
| 19:42.08 | samskiter | no no its not there now its out |
| 19:42.09 | samskiter | haha |
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| 19:43.09 | SynrG | so to sum up, we've a) proven you master the images fine, as they boot on other machines b) tried two different live images ... always booting to black screen & cursor ... |
| 19:43.23 | SynrG | and c) want to try netinst to see if it's just live that hates you or all images. |
| 19:43.58 | samskiter | yes |
| 19:44.16 | samskiter | i also tried your method of creating a persistent usb (without the persistent step) |
| 19:44.25 | samskiter | and tried an old usb-hdd image |
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| 19:44.44 | SynrG | ah, and that too. right. |
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| 19:44.52 | SynrG | (so all helpers are brought up to speed :) |
| 19:45.24 | SynrG | samskiter: btw, if you *don't* boot from USB, does it boot to black screen + cursor too? |
| 19:45.25 | samskiter | haha. thanks. the server itself ive had to set an option “legacy USB support” to even get past bios with the usb boot order set" |
| 19:45.45 | SynrG | wow |
| 19:45.48 | samskiter | if i dont boot from usb i get a boot up and all sorts of fails from the bad hdd |
| 19:45.54 | SynrG | guh |
| 19:46.04 | SynrG | i wonder if the live enumerates all of the hdds and craps out in the process |
| 19:46.07 | samskiter | i guess i could remove the hdd from the boot order and see what it does by default |
| 19:46.11 | tremon | Guest54378: "program" isn't really a well-defined term. Are you looking for binaries to run from the command line, or are you searching in some graphical menu? |
| 19:46.15 | SynrG | but that doesn't explain the *utter* lack of output |
| 19:46.22 | samskiter | yea not even a cursor |
| 19:46.24 | samskiter | :( |
| 19:46.28 | SynrG | i'm suspecting the netinst will fail too |
| 19:46.33 | SynrG | and that will tell us it just hates all USB |
| 19:46.42 | SynrG | (well, all debian ones) |
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| 19:46.52 | samskiter | ok |
| 19:46.55 | samskiter | here we gooooo |
| 19:47.14 | samskiter | (stupid sysadmin had to go to australia the week the largest internet security bug ever is found) |
| 19:47.23 | SynrG | lovely |
| 19:47.38 | tremon | samskiter: have you tried the usual approaches, like adding noacpi, noapic, verbose on the kernel command line? |
| 19:47.47 | SynrG | tremon: no boot prompt |
| 19:47.52 | samskiter | yup, black screen again |
| 19:47.52 | SynrG | tremon: pay attention :) |
| 19:47.55 | samskiter | haha |
| 19:48.00 | SynrG | tremon: BIOS -> black screen + cursor |
| 19:48.15 | tremon | ah, I missed that. I read it as boot prompt => black screen |
| 19:48.20 | SynrG | newp |
| 19:48.32 | samskiter | nono not even a cursor |
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| 19:48.44 | SynrG | options? removal of failing drive from the server? |
| 19:48.58 | samskiter | ok ill do that |
| 19:49.14 | tremon | oh well nevermind then. Does your usb disk have external power? I have some systems fail to boot because the usb hub was underpowered |
| 19:49.16 | samskiter | i bet this is some super horrible bios |
| 19:49.18 | SynrG | samskiter: can it boot without it? |
| 19:49.21 | tremon | *seen |
| 19:49.43 | samskiter | hang on. one at a time. trying with hdd removed |
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| 19:51.03 | samskiter | (there are others but ive just pulled the main one out |
| 19:51.08 | samskiter | sma eblack screen |
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| 19:51.25 | samskiter | same* |
| 19:52.04 | samskiter | im stumped |
| 19:52.07 | samskiter | maybe ill pull all the drives |
| 19:52.31 | xunil | So OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 is vulnerable to Heartblead? |
| 19:52.41 | xunil | *Heartbleed |
| 19:52.49 | SynrG | samskiter: other boot options? optical media? |
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| 19:53.16 | SynrG | xunil: a) compare *debian* version#, and b) yes |
| 19:53.27 | samskiter | SynrG: ill have to have a look round for something |
| 19:53.40 | samskiter | hmmmm maybe i could pull a hdd out of my laptop and use that in a spare slot |
| 19:53.58 | SynrG | xunil: you need to know the debian version# to be sure, though |
| 19:54.10 | SynrG | !tell xunil about dsa2896 |
| 19:54.20 | SynrG | samskiter: sounds reasonable |
| 19:54.38 | Doge_Funnie | My post: http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/22mstg/only_one_rackspace_smtp_server_vulnerable_to/ |
| 19:54.42 | xunil | so there is no upgrade for Debian Wheezy yet? |
| 19:55.13 | SynrG | xunil: yes there is. did you read and do the factoid i sent? |
| 19:55.30 | samskiter | YESSSSSSSSSS |
| 19:55.35 | samskiter | ok so yes its crapping out |
| 19:55.45 | samskiter | can i hot plug hdds? :P |
| 19:55.54 | SynrG | haha. no. you really shouldn't. |
| 19:56.02 | samskiter | :’( |
| 19:56.05 | SynrG | not unless it's USB |
| 19:56.13 | samskiter | no |
| 19:56.15 | samskiter | crap |
| 19:56.18 | samskiter | so i know the prioblem |
| 19:56.20 | samskiter | how do i fix it |
| 19:56.35 | xunil | SynrG: yes |
| 19:56.41 | SynrG | xunil: then what's the confusion? |
| 19:56.48 | SynrG | xunil: *if* the debian version# is ok, you're saef. |
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| 19:56.57 | SynrG | xunil: if it isn't, your apt sources are screwed |
| 19:57.04 | SynrG | safe* |
| 19:57.23 | _-_-_-_- | anyone have any advice as to how i may be able feed a list of all installed package names to apt-cache policy and then grep around to sort out this mess of a mixture of what's installed from squeeze-backports, what's installed via stable, and what's installed via unstable? |
| 19:57.26 | xunil | aptitude shows me for package openssl: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 19:57.32 | tremon | samskiter: sata is supposed to be hot-pluggable by spec. I wouldn't count on it actually working if your mainboard is cheap |
| 19:57.35 | SynrG | xunil: and libssl1.0.0 too? |
| 19:57.45 | SynrG | xunil: then you're patched. did you restart all services? |
| 19:57.55 | SynrG | xunil: also recycle your keys |
| 19:58.07 | tremon | _-_-_-_-: apt-show-versions |
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| 19:58.24 | samskiter | tremon: hmm ok. so maybe now i could do an experiment on another machine and work out which of the 3 hard drives causes the usb to crap out |
| 19:58.40 | SynrG | tremon: i've seen it fail to enumerate the drives again too many times :p |
| 19:58.48 | samskiter | i presume its bios independent if we have summised that the liveusb is crapping out |
| 19:58.48 | Joel | I've got a package of type all, it's in a repo, and It's showing up in packages.gz marked as all, but an apt-get/apt-cache search isn't showing the package, thoughts on what the hell I should look at? |
| 19:59.02 | samskiter | due to hdds…. |
| 19:59.08 | SynrG | tremon: removal of a drive, no problem. insertion of a new one ... :) |
| 19:59.10 | _-_-_-_- | thanks tremon |
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| 19:59.29 | samskiter | because i booted the liveusb on another machine earlier with 1 of the 3 drives plugged into that machine |
| 19:59.36 | samskiter | so presumably another one is making it crap out |
| 19:59.39 | SynrG | samskiter: so it is the BIOS doing roll call that fails? |
| 19:59.57 | SynrG | seems like it, anyway |
| 20:00.21 | SynrG | i'm out. going to play with the kids |
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| 20:00.28 | DrFoo | what mods do i need to load to boot deb 7 via grub rescue |
| 20:00.34 | samskiter | well thanks very much SynrG youve been a great help |
| 20:00.42 | SynrG | np. interesting case. |
| 20:00.52 | samskiter | 9pm and counting here in the uk.... |
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| 20:01.01 | samskiter | time to try various combos of drives |
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| 20:07.41 | diamonds | I have a "half-installed" firefox I can't seem to finish installing or remove |
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| 20:08.31 | centrx | diamonds, How is it "half-installed"? |
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| 20:09.03 | RoyK | diamonds: dpkg --configure -a # ? |
| 20:09.39 | diamonds | RoyK, no output |
| 20:10.11 | RoyK | diamonds: then how is it "half-installed", as centrx said? |
| 20:10.14 | diamonds | entdpkg: error processing package firefox-mozilla-build (--configure): |
| 20:10.25 | diamonds | package firefox-mozilla-build is not ready for configuration |
| 20:10.35 | diamonds | cannot configure (current status `half-installed') |
| 20:10.48 | diamonds | idk I've never heard of such a concept before |
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| 20:10.58 | centrx | It's kind of like half-uninstalled |
| 20:11.03 | diamonds | nods |
| 20:11.05 | diamonds | precisely |
| 20:11.20 | diamonds | dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:11.20 | dpkg | diamonds: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 20:16.46 | diamonds | trying this now: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/155840-solved-half-installed-package-night-mare.html |
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| 20:17.40 | diamonds | dat worked :) |
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| 20:25.20 | Gregor2 | how can i reset all settings of xchat? |
| 20:26.21 | format_c | Gregor2, cd ~; rm -R .xchat2 |
| 20:26.26 | atannus | Gregor2, try moving .xchat2 from your home dir to another dir... (if it works, you can delete it then...) |
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| 20:27.37 | Gregor2 | ok bey |
| 20:27.39 | Gregor2 | by |
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| 20:29.35 | xunil | SynrG: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 20:29.45 | xunil | SynrG: for libssl1.0.0 |
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| 20:37.38 | Joel | apt-get update isn't pulling in a /var/lib/apt/lists for the all architecture type, thoughts on how I can troubleshoot? |
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| 20:44.49 | somiaj | Joel: what do you mean? it should only pull in lists for aches you have enabled, dpkg --print-architecture and dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
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| 20:47.45 | Thaxll | Hi, is there a way to ignore dns servers from dhcp in the /etc/network/interfaces? I know that one from redhat but can't find anything in debian like...? |
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| 20:50.00 | esto | Thaxll: modify the dhclient.conf |
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| 20:51.50 | Thaxll | esto: right, I guess removing domain-name-servers from the request! thank you very much =p |
| 20:52.06 | somiaj | or install a package like openresolv that manages your resolve.conf file, you can override dns servers with that as well |
| 20:53.03 | Thaxll | brb testing and rebooting |
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| 21:10.55 | olimpico | Can someone please invite me to the #debian-next channel? It seems to be invite only |
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| 21:11.17 | olimpico | I'm using Debian Jessie 64 bit with LXDE |
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| 21:12.28 | viccuad | olimpico: isn't #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on freenode? |
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| 21:13.26 | Cork | is there a way to get cron to run the jobs at utc without switching the entire system to utc? |
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| 21:13.38 | olimpico | viccuad, I though there were two, like there are to of #debina |
| 21:13.44 | olimpico | #debian |
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| 21:14.38 | viccuad | olimpico: mmm doesn't seem so, https://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
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| 21:14.46 | MeanEYE | Okay folks, am on Debian Testing, and todays update broke so many things that it hurts. Are there any known issues at the moment? |
| 21:15.13 | MeanEYE | Related to networking. When I close lid on my laptop, wifi gets disabled and I can't enable it again. |
| 21:15.20 | MeanEYE | Also GSM modem is not present. |
| 21:15.41 | olimpico | I'm using Jessie 64 bit, just switched to systemd, everything seems to work fine except for my the fact that the NFS mounts defined in /etc/fstab are not mounting. Any suggestions? |
| 21:15.42 | viccuad | MeanEYE: I got that too |
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| 21:15.57 | viccuad | today or yesterday, the wifi issue |
| 21:15.58 | MeanEYE | viccuad, From recent updates? |
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| 21:16.01 | MeanEYE | Damn it. |
| 21:16.03 | viccuad | well |
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| 21:16.27 | MeanEYE | viccuad, Did you find a solution to the problem |
| 21:16.28 | MeanEYE | ? |
| 21:17.04 | viccuad | MeanEYE: I thought it was when suspending, and I tried again like 2 hours ago, and I couldn't reproduce it. But now that I think about it, I didn't put the lid down when suspending |
| 21:17.25 | viccuad | and if I do it now, I will get disconnected from irc and downloads I'm downloading (without wget..) |
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| 21:17.49 | viccuad | so, do you care to wait some min, and I will try to reproduce it again? |
| 21:17.52 | MeanEYE | viccuad, I don't know if my laptop tries and fails to go to suspend. I had it configure not to do anything. |
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| 21:18.30 | MeanEYE | viccuad, Don't interrupt your workflow, this is just annoying. |
| 21:18.34 | kurukururisk | How do I get GTK3 themes working? Seems like they don't work if you install openbox and use lxappearance to apply them. |
| 21:18.40 | kurukururisk | I'm using wheezy 7.4 |
| 21:19.02 | viccuad | MeanEYE: mine suspends correctly, and when coming back again, I the wlan0 interface was down |
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| 21:19.29 | viccuad | didn't try to do "ip link dev wlan0 up" or smth like that, I was in a hurry that moment |
| 21:19.50 | MeanEYE | viccuad, Do you happen to know why modemmanager was conflicting with network manager. |
| 21:20.01 | viccuad | MeanEYE: no |
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| 21:20.07 | MeanEYE | I don't use GSM all that much, but removing something that worked perfectly, was kind of stupid. |
| 21:20.08 | movrax | Cork: you can use TZ variable, put TZ=<timezone> e.g. TZ=UTC before the task in your crontab file |
| 21:20.21 | viccuad | but hey, that happened like 1-2 days ago, didnt it happen? |
| 21:20.44 | Cork | movrax: that only affects the timezone of the programs started by cron, not the sheduling |
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| 21:21.02 | MeanEYE | viccuad, I don't update every day, so I can't be sure when that happened. I just know that my apt wanted to remove either desktop or modemmanager. And that's when things started going south. |
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| 21:21.57 | viccuad | MeanEYE: should modemmanager be instaled by default? I don't if I should have it or not (I don't use GSM) |
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| 21:22.27 | MeanEYE | No idea, I didn't install it. |
| 21:22.37 | kurukururisk | I'm using wheezy 7.4 |
| 21:22.42 | kurukururisk | How do I get GTK3 themes working? Seems like they don't work if you install openbox and use lxappearance to apply them. |
| 21:23.09 | MeanEYE | kurukururisk, LXDE and Xfce use GTK2, so their tool only sets those themes. |
| 21:23.27 | MeanEYE | kurukururisk, in order to set gtk3 theme, you would need gnome-settings-daemon running or something of that sort. |
| 21:23.28 | viccuad | MeanEYE: I have it installed. I see it when I do: dpkg --get-selections | grep modemmanager |
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| 21:24.46 | MeanEYE | viccuad, It conflicted yesterday... and now not sure what to do. |
| 21:24.49 | MeanEYE | things are just not working. |
| 21:25.29 | viccuad | MeanEYE: gimme 10 mins, I'm having another conversation on irc, and then I would try to reproduce it again |
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| 21:25.36 | MeanEYE | Okay |
| 21:25.50 | Cork | movrax: found a way to get it working by adding a wrapper in sbin :/ |
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| 21:26.07 | Cork | TZ=Etc/UTC cron-org $@ |
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| 21:28.06 | kdog | viccuad: MeanEYE I saw this happen the other day. modemmanager conflicted with network-manager and this killed my networking config.Then, yesterday modemmanager was shown as needed by network-manager and now my machine is back to normal |
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| 21:28.56 | MeanEYE | kdog, weird, mine didn't require modemmanager... and even though I do have it installed now, my GSM is still missing. |
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| 21:30.09 | viccuad | kdog, MeanEYE : that seems to what happened by my side: I have it failing since the 7th (hearthbleed day xD) and saw it this afternoon, and then I updated, arrived home, and seemed normal |
| 21:30.18 | viccuad | MeanEYE: have you restarted/logged out? |
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| 21:30.51 | MeanEYE | viccuad, like 20 times. At first I thought it was something I have configured for power management. But when I removed those options I saw that it wasnt. |
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| 21:31.14 | viccuad | MeanEYE: ok, I'm gonna try to reproduce, with lid, and later with suspend |
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| 21:32.06 | jmsfontes | hi |
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| 21:33.02 | MeanEYE | viccuad, Thanks. Not sure how that will help. |
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| 21:35.26 | viccuad | hi again |
| 21:35.29 | MeanEYE | viccuad, I guess you reproduced it :P |
| 21:35.35 | viccuad | yes.. |
| 21:35.53 | viccuad | im on my mobile phone irc client |
| 21:36.41 | MeanEYE | Okay, comforting to know am not the only one. |
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| 21:37.18 | viccuad | I can reproduce it just closing the lid, on battery or not (so not laptop-mode-tools problem) |
| 21:37.44 | viccuad | I'm going to try locking it with ctrl+alt+L |
| 21:38.05 | viccuad | MeanEYE, are you on gnome3? |
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| 21:38.23 | MeanEYE | viccuad, kinda-sorta. Am using i3 with gnome-session in background. |
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| 21:38.36 | viccuad | also, I can't get wlan0 up using ip command :/ |
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| 21:38.52 | MeanEYE | Kernel wasn't updated right? |
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| 21:39.42 | viccuad | agh, no idea. does anyone know how to see a list of last updated packages? |
| 21:40.19 | dondelelcaro | viccuad: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:40.53 | viccuad | dondelelcaro many thanks |
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| 21:44.33 | viccuad | MeanEYE, if i lock it with ctrl+alt+L instead of closing the lid, it's fine |
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| 21:45.17 | viccuad | i can only reproduce it when closing the lid (i have it set up to do nothing when closing the lid) |
| 21:45.58 | MeanEYE | hm |
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| 21:47.13 | viccuad | the modemmanager thing hhappened to me 8-4-2014, says logs. it says: half configured modemmanager |
| 21:47.42 | viccuad | no kernel updates in this time for me |
| 21:48.19 | MeanEYE | I don't remember kernel updates either. |
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| 21:49.51 | viccuad | this saddens me a lot :(.. it's like going years to the past |
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| 21:50.12 | MeanEYE | Yup. |
| 21:50.20 | MeanEYE | I love going to meetings and restarting my computer every time. |
| 21:50.42 | viccuad | you can do it, just keep the lid open xD |
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| 21:51.22 | viccuad | I have unnisntalled modemmanager and it keeps ocurring when I close the lid |
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| 21:51.59 | kdog | viccuad: can you dpkg-reconfigure modemmanager? |
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| 21:52.36 | viccuad | kdog I'm going to reinstall and reconfigure to see, thanka for the idea |
| 21:52.44 | kdog | viccuad: at this point I suppose you could purge the package (blowing away all the configs) and re-install |
| 21:53.05 | diamonds | does gnome actually want me to "swipe" up on my screen to unlock? |
| 21:53.10 | diamonds | does not understand |
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| 21:53.29 | kdog | diamonds: you can just start typing your password and hit enter |
| 21:53.37 | viccuad | diamonds, click, or press space, or enter, or use the arrowa |
| 21:53.42 | diamonds | ah ty |
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| 21:54.30 | MeanEYE | Is there, perhaps, a chance for me to use gnome-shell with custom window manager, like we were able to in the old days? |
| 21:54.31 | diamonds | ah just typing does work thanks :) |
| 21:55.02 | zinx | MeanEYE: gnome-shell /is/ a window manager |
| 21:55.13 | MeanEYE | zinx, I know, among other things. |
| 21:55.19 | kdog | diamonds: I bet that doesn't work if there is more than one user, but I haven't tried it :-) |
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| 21:55.56 | diamonds | mmm. anyway it's not immedately obvious to me. viccuad simply clicking does not work fwiw |
| 21:56.06 | diamonds | s/it's/it wasn't/ |
| 21:56.47 | viccuad | diamonds I have several users, I press enter to select mine, which is the first, i thought clicking would work |
| 21:57.11 | diamonds | viccuad, click & drag up (approximating a swipe) works |
| 21:57.31 | viccuad | I suppose MeanEYE has tried somethinf |
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| 21:58.06 | viccuad | kdog , purgin modemmanager and reinstalling, or reconfiguring did nothing :( |
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| 21:58.52 | viccuad | maybe is network-manager, but I'm afraid of doing a purge or a reconfigure, will I loose passwords, etc? |
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| 22:00.36 | meaneye | Okay, found a half-assed solution. If I put my laptop to suspend before closing the lid, restoring works properly. |
| 22:00.48 | viccuad | oh |
| 22:00.52 | viccuad | hehehe |
| 22:01.04 | meaneye | Not good, but I'll live until this gets fixed. |
| 22:01.08 | meaneye | Really don't want to go back to Ubuntu. |
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| 22:01.33 | viccuad | I would love to open a bug report for this |
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| 22:01.49 | meaneye | If I can help, let me know. |
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| 22:02.04 | viccuad | at least for a +1, y suppose |
| 22:02.11 | meaneye | Okay. |
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| 22:03.36 | viccuad | meaneye , i did a dpkg-reconfigure modem-manager, and it keeps happening |
| 22:03.42 | meaneye | Same with me. |
| 22:03.52 | meaneye | I did reconfigure for network-manager as well. |
| 22:04.01 | viccuad | but you can get it to working after opening the lid and doing a reconfigure again |
| 22:04.37 | viccuad | i couldn't get it to work by ip link dev wlan0 up |
| 22:04.56 | meaneye | I didn't try reconfigure after resume. |
| 22:05.07 | meaneye | I just suspended manually, instead of closing the lid. |
| 22:05.18 | meaneye | So some trigger on lid-close is messing things up. |
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| 22:06.15 | viccuad | going to open the bug report |
| 22:06.22 | meaneye | Hm, I wonder if I start a session without gnome-settings... will this happen. |
| 22:06.23 | meaneye | Brb. |
| 22:06.33 | viccuad | k |
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| 22:10.34 | kurukururisk | uigh |
| 22:10.36 | kurukururisk | fucking hell |
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| 22:11.03 | kurukururisk | openbox is using a combination of no gtk themes, a gtk theme I set days ago and the one I'm trying to set now |
| 22:11.15 | kurukururisk | not to mention the icons I replaced for nm-applet aren't working |
| 22:11.20 | kurukururisk | I'm still getting the old ones |
| 22:11.30 | meaneye | kurukururisk, I don't know if you got my reply. |
| 22:11.44 | meaneye | viccuad, restarting network-manager service works. |
| 22:11.54 | kurukururisk | I did, but it turns out that GTK3 themes just look terrible and I can't use them |
| 22:11.59 | meaneye | o-0 |
| 22:12.03 | meaneye | By terrible you mean what? |
| 22:12.19 | kurukururisk | half the windows don't actually have the theme applied to them |
| 22:12.25 | kurukururisk | the wallpaper randomly changes |
| 22:12.31 | kurukururisk | it's a mess |
| 22:12.37 | meaneye | Can you share a screen shot? |
| 22:12.41 | kurukururisk | I wish I could just start over |
| 22:12.46 | kurukururisk | I don't really feel like it to be honest |
| 22:12.54 | meaneye | Okay then. |
| 22:13.05 | kurukururisk | I didn't want to spend my evening trying to make debian not look like a piece of shit |
| 22:13.10 | viccuad_ | meaneye: there's already a buf filled for this! |
| 22:13.21 | viccuad_ | bug 744007 : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=744007 |
| 22:13.21 | meaneye | Ahaha. |
| 22:13.29 | viccuad_ | I love Debian! |
| 22:13.47 | viccuad_ | lesson learned: first go to look at the bugs |
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| 22:14.48 | meaneye | viccuad, do you have a link where I can leave my reply? |
| 22:15.26 | viccuad_ | meaneye: I'm looking on how to reply to it, and I'm somewhat clueless |
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| 22:15.37 | viccuad_ | I have reportbug package installed |
| 22:15.54 | viccuad_ | I was using that to fill a bug, and I found that bug report on that |
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| 22:16.24 | meaneye | Looks like mailing list only. |
| 22:16.34 | viccuad_ | maybe going further on that app you can reply to an existent bug, dunno. I'm trying. Also, I don't want to make another bug for this using that app |
| 22:18.23 | diamonds | makes me wonder... |
| 22:18.47 | diamonds | what % of debian desktop boxes do you reckon run with multiple human users? |
| 22:19.02 | viccuad_ | meaneye: seems one can add a message sending a mail? |
| 22:19.19 | diamonds | utter speculation ofc... just thinking about how this used to be a crucial/central feature & now it's not used on probably >50% of boxen |
| 22:19.20 | meaneye | I suppose. |
| 22:19.43 | viccuad_ | meaneye: yes. Also, in the bug page: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=744007 there is a "reply" button |
| 22:19.48 | diamonds | I mean obv. root/humanuser1/othersystemusers. but multiple human users |
| 22:20.00 | viccuad_ | it opens my mail program (thunderbid) for it |
| 22:20.38 | meaneye | viccuad, Yeah, email only it seems. |
| 22:20.47 | meaneye | Am not worried, means someone else reported this already. |
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| 22:20.56 | meaneye | It's a regression, so it should be fixed fairly fast. |
| 22:21.19 | viccuad_ | gonna send a reply here, anyways xD |
| 22:21.40 | viccuad_ | I feel important that way |
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| 22:24.31 | meaneye | Well, it's a relief that I know how to mitigate this problem. |
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| 22:29.48 | wcfields | Asked this yesterday, but anyone ever worked with CA Layer 7 OSI API management? I have a potential support job and I want to know what layer of hell I might be walking into. |
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| 22:30.24 | bodeezl | the 7th layer of hell |
| 22:30.54 | viccuad | meaneye: there it is, with your workaround published :) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=744007 . My first bug! |
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| 22:32.15 | NuxRo | hi guys, during apt-get install the system is presenting all sorts of ncurses windows with questions. I want them gone, there was some environment variable or smth like this, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 22:32.28 | meaneye | Thanks :D for the credits but not all that needed :P |
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| 22:34.54 | jmsfontes1 | m |
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| 22:36.59 | srge | I'm running a teamspeak server which I would like to start automatically on boot. But I need it to start under user "ts3". I have found a few ways to do this on various forums, none of which seems to be the "right" way as they require creation of new files, changes to runlevel etc. What would be a/the good way to do this? |
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| 22:39.09 | SynrG | srge: wrap it in an init script with proper LSB header to indicate start/stop dependencies |
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| 22:39.48 | SynrG | srge: use start-stop-daemon to start it, specifying appropriate options depending on whether it creates its own pid for you or you have to create one, launch it into the background, etc. |
| 22:40.45 | kurukururisk | jesus christ what has become of linux |
| 22:40.51 | kurukururisk | gnome 3 is awful |
| 22:41.15 | SynrG | srge: e.g. start-stop-daemon has a --chuid option that changes userid to the specified username before starting |
| 22:41.24 | diamonds | kurukururisk, don't say that!! you MUST use gnome 3 with debian- there are literally no other options! |
| 22:41.39 | kurukururisk | openbox is just being a cunt |
| 22:41.39 | diamonds | that's the one shortcoming of linux... not enough DE choices... :( |
| 22:41.51 | kurukururisk | KDE is dead in the water |
| 22:42.00 | diamonds | use xfce & shut up? ;) |
| 22:42.15 | diamonds | anyway what's wrong with openbox |
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| 22:42.41 | viccuad | or lxde? |
| 22:42.49 | kurukururisk | xfce doesn't seem to have done much since 5 years ago |
| 22:42.49 | somiaj | kurukururisk: please what your language, also debian gives you lots of options to what you want for your xorg. If you liked gnome2 you may want to look into mate. |
| 22:42.56 | somiaj | s/what/watch/ |
| 22:43.12 | somiaj | note mate isn't in wheezy, but I think will be in jessie |
| 22:43.39 | srge | SynrG: I think it's a init script itself. When I start it, i need to run "./ts3server_startscript.sh start". |
| 22:43.46 | diamonds | "I'm kurukururisk and I am full of vague criticisms" :D |
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| 22:44.06 | srge | SynrG: Unless I misunderstand what a init script is. |
| 22:44.16 | kurukururisk | okay diamonds, we all know you are the debian master |
| 22:44.23 | kurukururisk | well done |
| 22:44.26 | kurukururisk | you've won the game |
| 22:44.32 | diamonds | kurukururisk, no, just saying "there are plenty of options" I actually suck at linux :p |
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| 22:44.43 | SynrG | srge: an init script follows a certain standard api and is started by 'init' when the system boots |
| 22:44.46 | diamonds | I'm here to beg for help configuring apt-get XD |
| 22:44.55 | kurukururisk | and here I was thinking you were just trolling IRC for fun and profit |
| 22:45.36 | diamonds | kurukururisk, give xfce4 a whirl. Debian jessie. I ~think~ you'll like what you see ;) |
| 22:45.42 | diamonds | esp. with tiling enabled |
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| 22:50.18 | kurukururisk | right now I would just like a clean looking WM that looks good and just works and gives easy access to the terminal |
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| 22:50.34 | kurukururisk | instead of having to worry about gtk2 and 3 conflicting constantly |
| 22:50.51 | kurukururisk | And some windows looking great while others look like Windows 95 |
| 22:51.11 | viccuad | gnome3? |
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| 22:51.19 | kurukururisk | gnome 3 is terrible |
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| 22:52.36 | viccuad | have you tried with extensions? |
| 22:52.54 | kurukururisk | yes, if anything they just seem to overcomplicate matters |
| 22:54.21 | viccuad | well, you could always make your own WM |
| 22:54.28 | kurukururisk | seems like there's no middle ground between fiddling endlessly with .conf files or having big stupid overblown buttons that don't allow you to configure anything |
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| 22:55.02 | kurukururisk | gnome2 was good but we should be past that now |
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| 22:55.18 | viccuad | lxde maybe is the most close to that |
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| 22:55.42 | viccuad | use docks, etc |
| 22:56.01 | diamonds | kurukururisk, xfce & openbox both strike that balance imo |
| 22:56.04 | viccuad | also, remember gnome-shell themes |
| 22:56.23 | viccuad | and if you know css, you can just make yours |
| 22:56.25 | diamonds | openbox is extremely configurable but ships with reasonable defaults, printed right on the desktop (via a "widget" or w/e) |
| 22:56.32 | kurukururisk | how is openbox NOT fiddling endlessly with .conf files? |
| 22:56.50 | diamonds | it ships with reasonable defaults.... |
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| 22:56.54 | kurukururisk | Hardly |
| 22:57.01 | kurukururisk | they look like they're from 1998 |
| 22:57.17 | viccuad | then, crunchbang? |
| 22:57.24 | kurukururisk | Openbox isn't really the problem |
| 22:57.33 | kurukururisk | it normally comes down to gtk |
| 22:57.38 | upasana | Hi all! |
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| 22:57.48 | upasana | I'm trying to install emacs24 on my debian system, but getting the following : https://gist.github.com/Sweet-kid/259784582de9cd0a0f05 |
| 22:58.08 | upasana | Can anyone please help me with it? Thanks. |
| 22:58.19 | kurukururisk | trying to find a gtk theme that matches an ob theme is nigh impossible, let alone finding one that actually plays nicely with everything else |
| 22:58.33 | xSmurf | anyone can point me to documentation on how dpkg is bootstrapped during the installation process? I'm wondering how does one "dpkg -i dpkg" |
| 22:58.55 | kurukururisk | crunchbang is a distro, viccuad |
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| 22:59.17 | viccuad | kurukururisk: I know, but maybe it has saner defaults for you |
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| 22:59.31 | kurukururisk | If I wanted a different distro I would have installed it, I'm fine with debian |
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| 22:59.42 | kurukururisk | I have crunchbang on an EeePC |
| 23:00.33 | kurukururisk | I don't mind installing new themes but I'm literally on my 3rd evening of messing around and more stuff is breaking |
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| 23:01.33 | kurukururisk | At this rate I'm going to have to do a completely clean install just to get Nautilus in gksudo mode to realize that I stopped using Flatt red days ago |
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| 23:03.16 | kurukururisk | You'd think a default debian install wouldn't have such glaring errors right off the bat |
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| 23:15.13 | xSmurf | anyone? anyone? Bueller? |
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| 23:16.34 | samskiter | SynrG: you about? we fixed it! |
| 23:16.39 | SynrG | great! |
| 23:16.56 | samskiter | my housemate came to the office and l33ted it |
| 23:17.04 | SynrG | heh |
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| 23:17.56 | samskiter | so the cause was that grub devicemap file references disks by name |
| 23:18.02 | samskiter | we replaced a disk a few months back |
| 23:18.10 | SynrG | ah |
| 23:18.10 | vr4679 | ciao |
| 23:18.15 | samskiter | and an update-grub doesnt regenerate the map |
| 23:18.24 | SynrG | yeah |
| 23:18.25 | samskiter | so the update-grub failed during the debian update |
| 23:18.37 | samskiter | and led to this horrible boot-up situation |
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| 23:18.42 | SynrG | but nobody noticed |
| 23:18.48 | Some_Person | Does anyone know how to get Plymouth working properly in VirtualBox? |
| 23:19.04 | Some_Person | I've done it before (even have a VM here with it working) but don't remember how |
| 23:19.14 | samskiter | well yea presumably it failed and was hidden by lot of other output |
| 23:19.15 | samskiter | my friends summary: |
| 23:19.16 | samskiter | changed hard disk + deficiencies in update-grub tool -> broke update-grub -> failed to update grub config -> failed linux boot. update-grub run during 'apt-get upgrade' broke boot. |
| 23:19.38 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: why would you care? ... best of luck regardless. |
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| 23:20.00 | Some_Person | zykotick9: That's quite an odd response... |
| 23:20.11 | samskiter | its a bit weird that it exposed itself as a problem in LVM at initramfs but something uuid related going wrong |
| 23:20.16 | SynrG | samskiter: wish i had thought of it. i knew that about devices.map. it's in my office notes for disk swaps |
| 23:20.38 | samskiter | well i didnt mention the disk swap as such |
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| 23:21.11 | samskiter | to get the damn thing booted from initramfs we did lvm vgchange -ay then exited and it finished the boot |
| 23:21.19 | samskiter | so we never needed (or solved) the liveusb problem |
| 23:21.46 | samskiter | from the booted situation and running update-grub we got errors and eventually hunted down the device map and regen’d it |
| 23:22.11 | SynrG | ya |
| 23:22.30 | samskiter | its weird that the step missing to boot ( lvm vgchange -ay) was caused by a badly formed grub cfg :s |
| 23:23.13 | samskiter | anyway, just a big thanks for all your help and hope the eventual answer can go in the bank and maybe help you or someone else out down the line :) |
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| 23:23.40 | SynrG | no problem |
| 23:23.55 | SynrG | wish i knew more about lvm. something i have to play with sometime |
| 23:24.19 | SynrG | will remember grub-mkdevicemap for next time :) |
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| 23:24.46 | samskiter | yes, and apparently worth deleting the old one before running it] |
| 23:25.51 | xSmurf | you know you're doing something right when you segfault dpkg ;P |
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| 23:30.58 | zykotick9 | s/right/wrong/ IMO |
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| 23:31.31 | Algebr | Where does gnome hold those icons that come up when you do alt-tab? I want to replace the crappy low res emacs one with a better one. |
| 23:32.15 | Algebr | oh, perhaps its in /usr/share/app-install |
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| 23:44.36 | kenrestivo | hmm, openssl with heartbleed fix is still not in security repo for wheezy yet? |
| 23:45.37 | kenrestivo | ah, nm. 1.0.1e-2 seems to have it |
| 23:45.50 | kenrestivo | docs i've seen said to use version g not e, but ok |
| 23:46.11 | Algebr | Theres quite a few options in /usr/share/icons/hicolor, anyone know which one is used when doing alt-tab? |
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| 23:46.40 | SynrG | !heartbleed |
| 23:46.40 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». See also http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 23:46.55 | SynrG | oh well |
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| 23:48.47 | vsoftoiletpaper | so 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 is safe? |
| 23:48.52 | vsoftoiletpaper | what about 1.0.1e-3? |
| 23:48.53 | SynrG | yes |
| 23:48.57 | SynrG | no |
| 23:49.04 | SynrG | wait |
| 23:49.07 | SynrG | what? |
| 23:49.20 | SynrG | i don't know of a -3 :) |
| 23:49.48 | SynrG | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 23:49.50 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 23:50.39 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: you're postulating a hypothetical 1.0.1e-3? i doubt if there will ever be one. but that is > 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 so would be safe |
| 23:50.40 | themill | there was a 1.0.1e-3 but that's an historical version from 4 months ago |
| 23:50.52 | SynrG | what? |
| 23:51.01 | SynrG | but that doesn't upgrade ... |
| 23:51.24 | SynrG | ohhh, in jessie or so :p |
| 23:51.30 | vsoftoiletpaper | I had that installed for some reason |
| 23:51.38 | SynrG | you're not on stable? |
| 23:52.09 | SynrG | if it's a four-month-old, never-been released version, it's obviously vulnerable |
| 23:52.30 | themill | yes |
| 23:53.16 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: care to share 'apt-cache policy' output at paste.debian.net? |
| 23:53.57 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: you're either running an extremely out of date testing release (in which case you should use the version for testing, not for stable) ... or else something is screwed up in your policy. |
| 23:54.16 | themill | or just asking silly questions |
| 23:54.30 | SynrG | 20:51 < vsoftoiletpaper> I had that installed for some reason |
| 23:54.35 | SynrG | ^^ that would suggest otherwise |
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| 23:57.28 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG http://paste.debian.net/92835/ |
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| 23:58.39 | SynrG | k, sec |
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| 23:59.35 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: strange. don't know how you would have that version unless you manually installed it (or had a different sources.list at the time) |
| 23:59.47 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG the later |