| 00:00.08 | vsoftoiletpaper | I upgraded now from u5 to u6 |
| 00:00.10 | SynrG | then you can't be certain your system isn't ahead in quite a number of areas. |
| 00:00.16 | SynrG | you can't downgrade releases. |
| 00:00.23 | vsoftoiletpaper | and it worked fine without specifying the version |
| 00:00.41 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG I can't downgrade releases? what do you mean? |
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| 00:00.51 | SynrG | yeah. but downgrades require version#. so you dtook care of libssl1.0.0? |
| 00:01.11 | SynrG | i mean, if you had a sources.list that pointed at testing or unstable ... |
| 00:01.12 | SynrG | then upgraded |
| 00:01.14 | vsoftoiletpaper | I did sudo apt-get install openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 00:01.31 | SynrG | there's no going back from that kind of goof |
| 00:01.34 | vsoftoiletpaper | and apt-get said it would downgrade openssl |
| 00:01.49 | vsoftoiletpaper | and it did |
| 00:02.00 | SynrG | that's not what i meant. |
| 00:02.15 | SynrG | you can't downgrade from a partially-upgraded to jessie system back to stable |
| 00:02.19 | SynrG | and that sounds like what you had |
| 00:02.36 | SynrG | that sort of system is not supportable. |
| 00:02.53 | SynrG | anyway, didn't get an answer: did you do the same with libssl1.0.0? that's the important one |
| 00:03.02 | SynrG | if you didn't, you're still vulnerable |
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| 00:03.55 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 00:03.55 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:05.07 | SynrG | so yes, you may get no errors from an individual package downgrade, and with luck, it went well for you. but there's simply no way of knowing for certain. across a sufficiently large # of downgrades, so much doubt is introduced about the success of the downgrades, that the system is no longer supportable |
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| 00:05.56 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG unfortunately my arm cubieboard is a pain to configure |
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| 00:06.20 | vsoftoiletpaper | so I've since been avoiding to reinstall everything |
| 00:06.42 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG how can I check the version of libssl I have installed/ |
| 00:06.44 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: but this will be a pain for you and for people here trying to support you until you do. |
| 00:06.44 | vsoftoiletpaper | ? |
| 00:06.56 | SynrG | apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0 |
| 00:06.57 | vsoftoiletpaper | :( |
| 00:07.17 | vsoftoiletpaper | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.27 | SynrG | so again, same problem, and same solution. |
| 00:08.32 | centrx | Mysterious... |
| 00:08.39 | vsoftoiletpaper | :( |
| 00:08.46 | vsoftoiletpaper | I'm sad with my cubieboard |
| 00:08.50 | vsoftoiletpaper | it promissed a lot |
| 00:08.58 | vsoftoiletpaper | but didn't deliver on graphics |
| 00:09.05 | vsoftoiletpaper | because drivers are closed source |
| 00:09.15 | vsoftoiletpaper | and the guys don't get well together.. |
| 00:09.17 | SynrG | centrx: not really. it's straightforward. vsoftoiletpaper said the sources.list was different before (presumably contained 'testing' lines) so it got ahead of stable. |
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| 00:09.33 | SynrG | from which, as you know, there's no going back :p |
| 00:09.38 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG I think it had a sid line at some point |
| 00:09.44 | SynrG | or that |
| 00:09.47 | centrx | Someone else had this exact same issue with this exact same version of the openssl package |
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| 00:10.20 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: i cannot stress enough how unsupportable your system is in its current state, and that the only solution is to reinstall stable ... as painful as that may be |
| 00:10.23 | vsoftoiletpaper | I think it went well don't you? http://paste.debian.net/92837/ |
| 00:10.39 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG :( |
| 00:10.47 | vsoftoiletpaper | when I have courage and time |
| 00:11.15 | viccuad | vsoftoiletpaper: what do you use that system for? |
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| 00:11.24 | SynrG | yup, that went well |
| 00:11.26 | vsoftoiletpaper | viccuad mini server |
| 00:11.45 | viccuad | for what? :P |
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| 00:11.52 | vsoftoiletpaper | porn, mostly |
| 00:11.54 | viccuad | web server? |
| 00:12.02 | viccuad | NAS, then? |
| 00:12.04 | vsoftoiletpaper | :P kidding |
| 00:12.13 | vsoftoiletpaper | viccuad it has apache running |
| 00:12.22 | vsoftoiletpaper | transmission |
| 00:12.35 | viccuad | cool |
| 00:12.37 | viccuad | porn, then xD |
| 00:13.16 | vsoftoiletpaper | is has smb and nfs configured |
| 00:13.23 | vsoftoiletpaper | has ssh exposed |
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| 00:13.36 | vsoftoiletpaper | and port 80 with htaccess password |
| 00:13.44 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: let's take another hypothetical case ... |
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| 00:14.24 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: a critical service, or one or more of its dependencies, is now on some random version from sid 4 months ago ... |
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| 00:14.48 | SynrG | there is a security issue, but one of less high profile than this one. nevertheless, you're left vulnerable |
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| 00:14.55 | vsoftoiletpaper | :( |
| 00:14.58 | vsoftoiletpaper | :( |
| 00:15.00 | SynrG | because simply upgrading from security.debian.org doesn't do anything |
| 00:15.01 | vsoftoiletpaper | :( |
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| 00:15.04 | vsoftoiletpaper | ok |
| 00:15.09 | vsoftoiletpaper | you conviced me |
| 00:15.15 | vsoftoiletpaper | but you have to help me |
| 00:15.33 | vsoftoiletpaper | cause I don't want to loose my porno |
| 00:15.52 | SynrG | well, just backup all your data first. problem solved. |
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| 00:16.01 | SynrG | do a fresh install, restore data ... |
| 00:16.05 | SynrG | bam. you're done |
| 00:16.09 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG don't have another disk |
| 00:16.11 | viccuad | and configure everything again xD |
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| 00:16.17 | SynrG | and that ^ |
| 00:16.30 | vsoftoiletpaper | but I think I have the user folder in a separate partition |
| 00:16.40 | viccuad | I keep a private offline repo of my configs for cases like these |
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| 00:17.05 | acu | hey guys - did anyone use btrfs for a host and quests in a kvm / virt-manager qcow contest ? |
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| 00:17.19 | durango | Is there anyway to update just one package and its deps? |
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| 00:17.24 | durango | rather than everything that needs updating? |
| 00:17.29 | durango | o doesnt *need* but apt wants to? |
| 00:17.37 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG sda3 is my home right? http://paste.debian.net/92839/ |
| 00:17.58 | centrx | durango, apt-get install <one package> |
| 00:17.59 | viccuad | vsoftoiletpaper: yes |
| 00:18.24 | durango | ty |
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| 00:19.07 | durango | OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 (Library: OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014) <— is this heartbleed safe? |
| 00:19.27 | viccuad | !heartbleed |
| 00:19.28 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». See also http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 00:19.50 | themill | durango: you need to look at package versions not random output from who knows what that doesn't include the important information. |
| 00:19.53 | SynrG | durango: use the debian package versions for comparison. |
| 00:19.55 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG I was installing znc the other they, and someone in #znc said Version: 0.206-2 is vulnerable |
| 00:19.59 | vsoftoiletpaper | I should install 1.0.0 |
| 00:20.02 | vsoftoiletpaper | compile from source |
| 00:20.03 | themill | (that said, 1.0.1f would tend to say "no") |
| 00:20.09 | vsoftoiletpaper | he was in this channel |
| 00:20.16 | durango | Sycamore: yeah trying to figure out which version im currently on |
| 00:20.42 | durango | this is the output: https://gist.github.com/durango/4d7acee8f853bfa465b0 |
| 00:20.52 | vsoftoiletpaper | and there was disagreement regarding the patches which were applied or not |
| 00:21.08 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: vulnerable to what? |
| 00:21.10 | themill | durango: that's a very creative mess you have there |
| 00:21.31 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG multiple security holes according to him |
| 00:21.43 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: and gave a reference, which you copied down? |
| 00:21.47 | themill | vsoftoiletpaper: CVE numbers or it didn't happen |
| 00:21.55 | SynrG | exactly |
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| 00:22.14 | durango | themill: any suggestions on fixiing? |
| 00:22.21 | durango | im really just concerned about openssl and nginx |
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| 00:22.41 | themill | durango: that bit should be fine provided you've restarted the daemon |
| 00:23.02 | themill | dpkg: tell durango about not available |
| 00:23.20 | RLa | upgraded ssl packages today on wheezy, now i cannot login with ssh anymore |
| 00:23.21 | themill | durango: run that command from dpkg -- everything in that list is a problem you need to deal with |
| 00:23.27 | vsoftoiletpaper | [2014-04-05T17:10:11+0100] <vsoftoiletpaper> ZNC 0.206+deb2 - http://znc.in |
| 00:23.28 | vsoftoiletpaper | [2014-04-05T17:10:23+0100] <Nothing4You> You have some amazing exploits. Upgrade NOW! |
| 00:23.34 | durango | themill: so yeah I had this version, renewed a certificate, and heartbleed was still an issue :/ |
| 00:23.37 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG themill ^ |
| 00:23.45 | RLa | anyone else having the same issue? |
| 00:23.52 | SynrG | ,v znc |
| 00:23.53 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.2-3; sid: 1.2-3 |
| 00:24.18 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG the topic at #znc says: Debian oldstable? 0.092 is 3.5 years old! | Debian stable: 0.206 is 1.5 year old |
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| 00:25.13 | themill | vsoftoiletpaper: that doesn't actually say anything useful |
| 00:25.31 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: again, without CVE numbers for those vulnerabilities, we've got nothing to go on. |
| 00:25.43 | RLa | nvm, i had entered invisible character into my username |
| 00:25.44 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: age is not proof of an exploitable vulnerability |
| 00:26.05 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG it's possible that they were never filed, and still were fixed but the developers |
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| 00:26.11 | vsoftoiletpaper | by |
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| 00:26.42 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: then they've been irresponsible, and you should consider using alternative software whose maintainers don't screw over their users by concealing problems. |
| 00:26.48 | themill | I wouldn't go around believing everything some random person on irc says to you either |
| 00:27.03 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: i'm not saying that's the case ... |
| 00:27.25 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: at this point, we just have unsubstantiated rumours that there are security problems with the znc in debian stable. |
| 00:27.42 | vsoftoiletpaper | the admins of #znc must have something against those versions in order to place that on the channel topic |
| 00:28.06 | vsoftoiletpaper | Nothing4You you there? |
| 00:28.27 | themill | vsoftoiletpaper: it's not their latest and greatest. |
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| 00:32.11 | vsoftoiletpaper | themill SynrG what do you think of Arch? |
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| 00:33.12 | SynrG | vsoftoiletpaper: i don't |
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| 00:33.26 | vsoftoiletpaper | :) |
| 00:33.35 | SynrG | i respect their wiki authors, however. |
| 00:33.46 | SynrG | they've got some great stuff there |
| 00:34.17 | SynrG | in any case, it's OT for here |
| 00:34.18 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG do you think Arch stable is less secure then Debian stable? |
| 00:34.52 | centrx | Probably |
| 00:35.04 | SynrG | not for me to judge. find someone who knows both and has done an objective comparison. |
| 00:35.05 | centrx | Spammer: kolvos |
| 00:35.15 | SynrG | and good luck with that |
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| 00:39.32 | themill | centrx: hmm? |
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| 00:51.44 | ct0 | so im trying to install intel wifi firmware following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 00:52.02 | ct0 | but im running jessie, what do i have to change? |
| 00:52.21 | somiaj | probabaly nothing, it is mostly a package, install that package |
| 00:52.38 | somiaj | just install the jessie version, if you do not have online access you will have to download the firwmare from packages.debian.org |
| 00:52.43 | ct0 | it says not available, but referred to by another package |
| 00:53.08 | ct0 | hello somiaj |
| 00:53.11 | centrx | ct0, It's in non-free |
| 00:53.18 | somiaj | ct0: make sure you have non-free enabled in your sources.list liek that wiki says |
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| 00:55.03 | ct0 | do i have to add contrib and non-free to all the deb lines? |
| 00:55.09 | centrx | Yes |
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| 00:55.46 | zykotick9 | ct0: centrx "technically" i don't think so... but ct0 you might as well. |
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| 00:56.16 | ct0 | might as well |
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| 01:02.55 | ct0 | got it working thanks somiaj centrx zykotick9 |
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| 01:03.46 | vsoftoiletpaper | SynrG is it a bad idea to install this on my cubieboard instead of vanilla wheezy? http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php?topic=327.0 |
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| 01:11.22 | kruug | I cannot get my resolution larger than 1280x1024, but the monitor can support 1920x1080. How do I fix this? |
| 01:11.30 | kruug | Running Jessie with nouveau driver |
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| 01:15.21 | dn | Sorry if this is a very newbieish question, but I have never ran into a similar issue before: I have a dedicated server which I need to install debian on. I have to use the providers "image install script" which requires the image to be tar.gz, tar, tar.bz or tar.bz2. But I can only find .iso's on the debian sources. Can I download fx. the netinstall in .tar.gz instead of .iso anywhere? |
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| 01:15.54 | SynrG | kruug: teach it your monitor's specs via xorg.conf. apparently EDID fails |
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| 01:16.21 | hesperaux | is it possible to update apt for only a specific source? |
| 01:16.27 | SynrG | VertRefresh and HorizSync at least |
| 01:16.57 | kruug | SynrG: I don't have an xorg.conf |
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| 01:17.46 | themill | hesperaux: what are you *really* trying to do |
| 01:17.59 | SynrG | create one |
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| 01:18.18 | hesperaux | themill, trying to copy a custom repo source to /etc/sources.list.d/custom.list && apt-get update <only custom.list> |
| 01:18.31 | hesperaux | the idea being i don't want to force an apt update for all repos necessarily |
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| 01:18.47 | themill | hesperaux: apt only downloads new files if there's something to download |
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| 01:19.10 | hesperaux | bandwidth is not my concern |
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| 01:19.22 | hesperaux | updating available package versions is |
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| 01:19.46 | hesperaux | i'm wondering if it's possible to add a custom repository without changing the state of the rest of the system |
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| 01:20.26 | hesperaux | i concede that in some cases, the custom repo may require versions in apt that are not there if I did this |
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| 01:22.45 | themill | hesperaux: you might be able to monkey around with apt-cache gencaches to get that to work... but in general, you don't work with pending updates and you want to ensure that apt has a view of what's currently in the repo rather than what used to be in the repo. |
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| 01:25.39 | hesperaux | woah |
| 01:25.42 | hesperaux | is that a split? |
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| 01:25.46 | hesperaux | themill, you're probably right. I guess i'll just have to live with the possibility that installing this package may update other ones |
| 01:25.47 | hesperaux | trying to automate something with puppet - hence the desired granularity |
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| 01:33.18 | dn | Sorry if this is a very newbieish question, but I have never ran into a similar issue before: I have a dedicated server which I need to install debian on. I have to use the providers "image install script" which requires the image to be tar.gz, tar, tar.bz or tar.bz2. But I can only find .iso's on the debian sources. Can I download fx. the netinstall in .tar.gz instead of .iso anywhere? |
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| 01:39.19 | ct0 | somiaj centrx zykotick9 i installed the firmware for the wireless card, but now when i suspend networking is completely disabled |
| 01:39.51 | zykotick9 | ct0: i doubt that's _uncommon_. best of luck! |
| 01:40.02 | ct0 | lol |
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| 01:45.21 | linuxator | why is Debian bot pretty-customised like LMDE? |
| 01:45.32 | linuxator | why is Debian not pretty-customised like LMDE? |
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| 01:46.20 | themill | wallpapers don't feature very high in the debian social contract |
| 01:46.31 | zykotick9 | linuxator: perhaps debian's community values funtion over form? |
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| 01:46.57 | themill | I'm yet to meet anyone who doesn't change whatever defaults there are anyway |
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| 01:57.32 | cafuego | linuxator: To half of it, at least </boomtish> |
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| 02:14.23 | CdK1 | HI * |
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| 02:15.07 | CdK1 | any ideas how use mplayer with vaapi |
| 02:15.20 | CdK1 | I have a dual ati radeon with fglrx-driver |
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| 02:27.47 | weaseal | hey all, just performed a fresh debian install and it's failing to boot, sayinng "gave up waiting for root device" |
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| 02:32.01 | CdK1 | weaseal, control+c |
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| 02:32.08 | weaseal | :B |
| 02:32.14 | CdK1 | after logued and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:32.17 | CdK1 | on safe mode |
| 02:32.23 | CdK1 | wheezy? |
| 02:32.32 | weaseal | oh ok thanks CdK1 |
| 02:32.34 | weaseal | i will try it |
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| 02:32.47 | weaseal | i found this which agreed with you CdK1 http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/linux-troubleshooting/fixing-gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-error-in-debian/ |
| 02:32.51 | CdK1 | ok i have same problem and control+c jejeje |
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| 02:33.30 | CdK1 | nice |
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| 03:00.18 | mdim | maybe not the best channel - can someone point me to a relatively simple Linux character device driver? I am not looking for hello world drivers, but an actual piece of the kernel |
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| 03:27.54 | r3m | ,v openssl |
| 03:27.55 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 03:29.35 | ct0 | whats the best way to downgrade network-manager from jessie to wheezy? |
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| 03:33.08 | average_ | ct0: I just disable it :D |
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| 03:33.23 | ct0 | average_, what did that do for you? |
| 03:33.38 | average_ | ct0: I dunno, it's disabled, I don't like it |
| 03:33.40 | average_ | ct0: then I don't have to care very much. I use wicd for connecting to any network |
| 03:33.42 | ct0 | im having a problem with the newest version, and connecting to network when resuming |
| 03:33.59 | average_ | I recommend wicd, but that's just my personal opinion |
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| 03:34.20 | ct0 | ill cek it out |
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| 03:38.11 | somiaj | ct0: some drivers don't like to be suspended. You can do multiple things, one is you can bring your interface down before you suspend (that usually works) or you can actually remove the module before you suspend, there is ways to set this up automatically |
| 03:38.36 | ct0 | somiaj, hello, yes im looking at options |
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| 03:38.57 | ct0 | i actually think that the newest network manager version is giving me a problem and would like to downgrade and see |
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| 03:39.15 | somiaj | linuxator: debian gives people lots of choice, and in giving lots of freedom and choice, things are not set up for you, and you have to set it up yourself. |
| 03:39.47 | ct0 | i tired apt-get install networkmanager=0.9.4.0-10 and it was not found |
| 03:39.56 | somiaj | ct0: yea I use the interfaces file personally and then just 'ifdown wlan0' before I suspend |
| 03:40.03 | somiaj | ct0: what version of debian do y ou run? |
| 03:40.07 | ct0 | do i need to add a new server to the source list? |
| 03:40.12 | ct0 | im on jessie now |
| 03:40.21 | somiaj | you can get older versions from snapshot.debian.org |
| 03:40.36 | somiaj | you can install a sources there, I usualyl jsut download the debs |
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| 03:40.41 | ct0 | i was on wheezy then went to sid, then to testing, formetted and went to jessie |
| 03:41.29 | somiaj | ct0: again my suggestion is wheezy with backports to most. But if you enjoy fixing things as they break jessie or sid is a matter of choice, I prefer sid because it gets faster fixes (though more things break) |
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| 03:42.03 | ct0 | everything works fine, except auto connect on resume from suspend |
| 03:42.14 | ct0 | what is a backport? |
| 03:43.05 | somiaj | a backport will be a piece of newer software (usually) compiled aginst a stable base |
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| 03:43.33 | ct0 | oh i see |
| 03:43.39 | ct0 | so i found it on shapshot.debian |
| 03:43.44 | somiaj | this work sgood for small things, say you wanted a newer webbrwoser in your wheezy, you would comiple it against the libs in wheezy so you have a stable base system |
| 03:44.08 | ct0 | that seams like what i need |
| 03:44.23 | ct0 | is it possible to go from jessie to wheezy with backports? |
| 03:44.41 | ct0 | change sources and dist-upgrade? |
| 03:44.46 | somiaj | ct0: there is no way to downgrade |
| 03:44.59 | somiaj | (well there is no supported way, and most likely you dont' want to try) |
| 03:45.09 | ct0 | i see |
| 03:45.22 | ct0 | well i jsut wanted to try an older version of this network manager |
| 03:45.38 | somiaj | go for it, that is what snapshot.debian.org is for, and if you notice a difference file a bug |
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| 03:46.02 | ct0 | whats the best way, there is a ton of files here |
| 03:46.08 | ct0 | are these all dependencies? |
| 03:46.24 | somiaj | ct0: I don't know what you are looking at. But if you looked up network manager you whould see all versions ever in sid |
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| 03:46.52 | somiaj | they are probabaly all packages that were uploaded during that date range, but that is just a guess |
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| 03:47.40 | ct0 | gotcha |
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| 03:53.30 | ct0 | somiaj, so the older version will not be in jessie source list |
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| 03:55.00 | somiaj | ct0: nope once a new version is filtered down from sid they are removed from the mirrors |
| 03:55.35 | somiaj | jessie only contains one version of each package and is consntally being upgraded and fixed until it finally is frozen, bugs are squahsed and released |
| 03:55.51 | somiaj | ct0: make sure you have 'jessie' in your sources.list and not 'testing', else you may be in for a rude surprise on release week |
| 03:56.04 | ct0 | yeah its jessie |
| 03:56.13 | ct0 | maybe ill just wait a little while |
| 03:56.22 | ct0 | trying to move forward and not backward |
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| 03:58.20 | somiaj | anyways I think you configure pm-suspend you can write a script and put it in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ that will do things during the suspend |
| 03:58.28 | somiaj | one thing you could have it do is shutdown network-manager |
| 03:58.32 | somiaj | and then bring ti back up |
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| 03:58.57 | somiaj | when it awaks, and see if that keeps it from freaking out during the suspend process |
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| 04:11.08 | ct0 | thats why over my ability |
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| 05:03.18 | theaftermath | I am having a problem with my debian server. "ls" reports a directory that I cannot navigate into or delete. |
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| 05:03.55 | theaftermath | It is a regular folder that I created. cd reports the directory does not exist |
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| 05:04.37 | somiaj | theaftermath: can you give the output of ls -l /path/to/where/directory/lives (not the direcotry itslef) |
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| 05:05.15 | theaftermath | somiaj yes |
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| 05:05.49 | theaftermath | http://pastebin.com/rBrRZ8gq |
| 05:05.50 | theaftermath | somiaj |
| 05:06.09 | cooldharma06 | hi all..:) |
| 05:06.55 | z8z | i want to update a pc using debian without internet connection to firefox 24 but point release haven't been issued. How can i update only those packages carrying with pendrive without corrupting package database? |
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| 05:09.54 | magyar | I've updated my debian stable but after restarting apache it still shows as vulnerable. Why is that? |
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| 05:10.33 | magyar | this is regarding CVE-2014-0160 the openssl issue |
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| 05:12.19 | theaftermath | somiaj I found the problem.... It's one directory but my terminal made it look like two. thank you |
| 05:18.49 | Angelous | what's the latest stable release? |
| 05:18.57 | Angelous | still wheezy? |
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| 05:20.19 | viscera | Angelous: yes |
| 05:20.31 | Angelous | ty |
| 05:21.11 | weaseal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.19 | weaseal | this is all i have in /etc/exports : /usr/home/public 10.0.0.3(ro,sync,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) |
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| 05:21.33 | weaseal | both server and client are debian |
| 05:22.02 | weaseal | does anyone know what might be blocking it? |
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| 05:23.18 | weaseal | j #linux |
| 05:23.28 | weaseal | :B |
| 05:24.06 | somiaj | weaseal: that error sounds like your authentication info is wrong, or your not runing an nfs server to connect to |
| 05:24.33 | weaseal | somiaj: nfs is running on the host and afaik there's no authentication needed |
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| 05:27.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey |
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| 05:27.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am getting an annoying error with a package can somebody help me out? |
| 05:27.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://paste.debian.net/92863/ |
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| 05:27.50 | bodeezl | Eryn_1983_FL, do you have the security repository in the sources.list ? |
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| 05:28.34 | somiaj | weaseal: firewall? |
| 05:29.17 | weaseal | somiaj: maybe? how do i tell? |
| 05:29.34 | weaseal | i mean, not unless there's one enabled by default |
| 05:29.37 | weaseal | i havent set up one |
| 05:30.19 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: can you give me the output of apt-cache policy libjack-jackd2-0 |
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| 05:30.45 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: and what version of debian are you running |
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| 05:31.13 | somiaj | weaseal: there should not be one set up by default. Again something on the server is denying you. It could be a rejecting at the packet level such as a firewall or the port is closed |
| 05:31.23 | somiaj | weaseal: it could be the nfs server itself not liking you |
| 05:31.48 | somiaj | weaseal: on the server, 'netstat -a | grep LISTEN' is there any thing listeing on teh nfs port of the correct ip you are connecting to |
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| 05:32.13 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: I see how to fix your problem, but I want to trace down why the package has this problem in the first place |
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| 05:35.06 | weaseal | somiaj: tcp 0 0 *:nfs *:* LISTEN |
| 05:35.10 | weaseal | looks like yes |
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| 05:38.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:39.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | I will gladly help ya once second |
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| 05:40.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | sources.list.d/updates_debian.list:1:deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
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| 05:41.13 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: please put the whole out put at paste.debian.net of that command |
| 05:41.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/egQe |
| 05:41.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 05:42.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | somiaj: do you need all my sources? i got them all in seperate files in sources.list.d/ |
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| 05:43.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/YQgd |
| 05:45.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | if its any help my other boxes, all server via puppet with nearly identical sources, except for the multimedia ones for desktop stuff, all worked fine |
| 05:46.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am running wheezy FYI somiaj |
| 05:46.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/UBFY |
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| 05:48.11 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: I jsut wanted the output of 'apt-cache policy libjack-jackd2-0' |
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| 05:48.47 | somiaj | I am gonna make a guess it is the deb-multimedia.org package causing you rpbolems now that I see your sources, but again I need the output of that command |
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| 05:52.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:53.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://paste.debian.net/92864/ |
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| 05:54.31 | kailo | I'm considering installing a debian lamp stack on linode, but the recipe is only available for debian 7. Is it worth the trouble upgrading from 7 to 7.4 manually, or should I just install 7.4 and do lamp from scratch? |
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| 05:55.39 | OpenTokix | kailo: there should be no difference |
| 05:55.51 | OpenTokix | kailo: so install the 7, then do a upgrade |
| 05:55.58 | OpenTokix | kailo: and lamp-ahoy |
| 05:56.14 | kailo | kk I figured as much after seeing the release date for 7 |
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| 05:57.07 | OpenTokix | kailo: the minor versions are point relases with security and improvements, but will not break the distribution as such |
| 05:57.08 | lkthomas | hey guys, if my file system is dominated by 1024 and 2048 files, should I change blocksize to 1024 instead ? |
| 05:57.11 | OpenTokix | kailo: the power of debian |
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| 05:57.22 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: hmm strange it is a debian security package that has the error, wonder if it is due to some corruption on your end or a small bug in the package. Anyways here is the fix |
| 05:57.31 | OpenTokix | kailo: also, if you separate your application from your system, there should be no problem dist-upgrade your 7 to 8, when that happens. |
| 05:58.05 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: the error to look at is dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30139 package 'libjack-jackd2-0:amd64': `Conflicts' field, invalid package name ` |
| 05:58.17 | kailo | Yeah I'm not too concerned about that |
| 05:58.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:58.32 | z8z | i want to update a pc using debian without internet connection to firefox 24 but point release haven't been issued. How can i update only those packages carrying with pendrive without corrupting package database? |
| 05:58.49 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: so you will need to open up that file /var/lib/dpgk/status goto somewhere near line 30139 and look at the Conflicts filed for that libjack package, and give the output, lets see what in there is causing problems |
| 05:58.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:59.03 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: I would back up that file before you do any modifications to it first though |
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| 06:00.30 | somiaj | z8z: you can get the packages from packages.debian.org if you aren't worried about a man in the middle attack. (: |
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| 06:01.08 | petern_ | somiaj, Eryn_1983_FL: that error can happen if you have an old package from a previous debian version still installed |
| 06:01.49 | petern_ | somiaj, Eryn_1983_FL: (or a 3rd party package) |
| 06:01.55 | somiaj | acording to his apt-cache policy that is the only version installed, though it might be in a broken state |
| 06:02.12 | somiaj | petern_: my guess was something with the deb-multimedia repo he has |
| 06:02.27 | somiaj | or maybe puppetlabs |
| 06:03.06 | petern_ | also there should be backups of that file in /var/backups |
| 06:03.09 | somiaj | z8z: I think you need the iceweasel package nad the xurunner package. |
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| 06:04.02 | somiaj | so looks like the status file got corrupt somewhere in the middle of the install of that package and now it is in a strange state. |
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| 06:04.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://paste.debian.net/92865/ |
| 06:04.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 06:07.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | weird i opened it up and there was a question mark in front of the jackd2 in conflicts, the second one and i removed it and then it worked.. |
| 06:07.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | fml |
| 06:07.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | something simpl |
| 06:07.42 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: yea no clue how that file got corrupt, but that was what I was gonna suggest, move that strange character |
| 06:07.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i guess since this bug affected my ssh, i should redo all of my keys |
| 06:08.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | the one for ssl i mean not my sources issue |
| 06:08.37 | somiaj | I do not see that extra character in the actual package I downloaded, so something was corrupt when it wrote it to the status file. |
| 06:08.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
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| 06:09.02 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: That is the safe thing, I should do the same but for some reason not to worried on my desktop |
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| 06:09.13 | somiaj | mostly since my ssh port was not open to the internet |
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| 06:09.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | well they would be waiting a long time though fail2ban is set at like a week everytime you mess up |
| 06:09.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | guess the NSA has the time and money though.. |
| 06:10.04 | blast_hardcheese | woot, no longer vulnerable to heartbleed. |
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| 06:10.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 06:10.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | why exsactly did they name it that? |
| 06:10.34 | z8z | somiaj: yeah i know how to find the package but i was meaning how to install on a system without internet without corrupting the package database |
| 06:11.19 | somiaj | z8z: download the package and its depends (again I think it is only the xulrunner page) and install with dpkg -i |
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| 06:12.04 | somiaj | z8z: apt is just a front end to dpkg which does all the installing of packages, that will also figure out depends and download them for you. You just have to do this manually |
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| 06:22.30 | petern_ | blast_hardcheese, took you long enough :p |
| 06:23.52 | blast_hardcheese | petern_: Fortunately I don't have anything important on my server at all ;) |
| 06:24.28 | somiaj | freeloaders breaking the law are not intersted in your data but just your server (: |
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| 06:25.19 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: I thought heartbleed was a read-only vulnerability? The most valuable thing they could get from me would be my SSL privkey |
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| 06:40.41 | stuhilkra | hi, what' |
| 06:41.05 | stuhilkra | what's the default folder for mounting nfs folders? /media or /mnt ? |
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| 06:42.09 | ChrisH | stuhilkra: whereevetr you need it. /home can be a correct one |
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| 06:42.44 | stuhilkra | ChrisH: just read from the filesystem hirachy that mnt should be preferred since media is for removable devices |
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| 06:43.25 | stuhilkra | ChrisH: i know it's a bit pedantic but i am not staying long in this place and what to do things as standard as possible so that the enxt person has no WTF-experiencens |
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| 06:44.35 | stuhilkra | ChrisH: thank you for your concern |
| 06:45.25 | ChrisH | stuhilkra: well. There are diffent "standards" and if you work with differend unix'ish systems you will learn pretty fast to use df -h to see what is mounted where. The only tip I have is, do not mount nfs stuff drectly below / |
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| 06:48.24 | kailo | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 06:48.25 | kailo | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 06:48.36 | somiaj | kailo: did you run the command as root or with sudo? |
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| 06:48.39 | kailo | Can anyone think of a reason why this would continually occur? I have no other apt-get etc pocesses running |
| 06:48.41 | kailo | root. |
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| 06:49.07 | kailo | fresh install btw.. and I had to manually delete some /var dir just to set the date, too. |
| 06:49.30 | somiaj | wonder if something didn't cleanly quit and left a bad lock file. If you are positive you have no other instance of dpkg/apt running you could fix that. |
| 06:49.43 | kailo | how could I go about fixing it? |
| 06:50.20 | cyruz | rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock and try again xD |
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| 06:50.48 | somiaj | kailo: well look at the output of cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock and ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/lock (let me see the output of both of those at paste.debian.net |
| 06:51.14 | Zedarf | Stuhilkra you can start doing that as soon as you have an appropriate nick. Your name sounds like some dumb punjabi curry eating regard from India who drinks water from the Ganges riger |
| 06:51.21 | somiaj | cyruz: I think the file needs to stay there, just have no pid in it |
| 06:51.25 | Zedarf | river* |
| 06:51.37 | somiaj | unsure what would happen if it was deleted as it is on all my systems, just empty |
| 06:51.41 | Zedarf | Regard* |
| 06:51.51 | Zedarf | Retard* fucking phone |
| 06:52.23 | ChrisH | kailo: some automatic background upgrade chcker stuff stuff |
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| 06:52.56 | kailo | Ah, so after restarting the system and trying apt-get update again, it notified me that I needed to run dpkg --configure -a for the openssl fix |
| 06:53.09 | kailo | working now |
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| 07:01.50 | teotwaki | Hi, running debian wheezy (7.4), I upgraded my packages to protect against the heartbleed vulnerability, rebooted the server to be sure that the old openssl shared libraries were no longer in use, however it would appear my SSL stack is still vulnerable. |
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| 07:02.59 | ChrisH | teotwaki: why do you think its still vulnerable? |
| 07:03.34 | teotwaki | ChrisH: because filippo.io tells me it's still vulnerable |
| 07:04.17 | ChrisH | and how does they detect it? do you knwo? |
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| 07:06.01 | blast_hardcheese | teotwaki: Check out this: |
| 07:06.02 | teotwaki | ChrisH: from what I understand, they send a malformed heartbeat and extract some data |
| 07:06.05 | blast_hardcheese | !heartbleed |
| 07:06.06 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». See also http://heartbleed.com/ |
| 07:06.24 | blast_hardcheese | Run that aptitude command, it'll let you know what is still vulnerable |
| 07:06.58 | blast_hardcheese | My mistake was I was upgrading openssl without upgrading the library-- I thought they would upgrade together. |
| 07:07.16 | teotwaki | ah, so it's libssl. I ran apt-get upgrade -V, libssl wasn't kept back, so why didn't it upgrade? |
| 07:07.27 | blast_hardcheese | I can't tell you |
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| 07:08.52 | petern_ | And if you haven't rebooted... sudo grep -l 'libssl.*deleted' /proc/*/maps | tr -cd 0-9\\n | xargs -r ps u |
| 07:09.39 | teotwaki | petern_: I did reboot, and checked that command previously (though, just to quadruple check: the command returns nothing) |
| 07:09.53 | petern_ | And if you have mod_spdy installed... remove/update that. |
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| 07:10.33 | teotwaki | how would I go about getting the latest version of libssl? Should I wget them from s.d.o/pool and dpkg -i the packages? |
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| 07:11.01 | blast_hardcheese | teotwaki: Don't you have debian security sources? |
| 07:11.23 | teotwaki | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:11.27 | petern_ | apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:11.31 | teotwaki | that's what I have in my sources.list |
| 07:11.35 | petern_ | Is all you need to do. |
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| 07:11.57 | petern_ | update, rather. |
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| 07:12.18 | blast_hardcheese | teotwaki: Great, just apt-get update to get the latest definitions, then upgrade the libssl package |
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| 07:12.56 | blast_hardcheese | teotwaki: libssl1.0.0 should do the trick |
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| 07:13.25 | armin | o.O |
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| 07:13.45 | armin | Get:4 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main openssl amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 [700 kB] |
| 07:13.48 | armin | mh, again? |
| 07:13.52 | armin | what's the issue here? |
| 07:14.20 | blast_hardcheese | armin: 1.0.1e is vulnerable |
| 07:14.28 | blast_hardcheese | 1.0.1f+ is safe |
| 07:14.51 | petern_ | blast_hardcheese, rubbish. f is not safe. |
| 07:14.53 | armin | blast_hardcheese: well, no. 7u5 contained the bugfix for the heartbleed issue, but what''s 7u6 about? |
| 07:15.20 | petern_ | armin, u6 prompts to restart services. |
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| 07:15.30 | Zedarf | The best vulnerability is a reverse shell :) |
| 07:15.32 | armin | petern_: ah, then i'm safe. thank you. |
| 07:15.53 | Zedarf | Reverse shell over tcp using tls = win |
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| 07:16.14 | blast_hardcheese | petern_: Oh, whoops, g is safe |
| 07:16.20 | blast_hardcheese | sorry, my mistake |
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| 07:17.14 | petern_ | Best vulnerability is people trusting random other people on IRC instead of looking at appropriate places like security.debian.org |
| 07:17.39 | blast_hardcheese | petern_: Very true. Apparently I'm not capable of doing two things at the same time at midnight. |
| 07:18.21 | armin | petern_: while updating, i SEE that what you just told me is probably correct, and nobody ever said i'm not going to look at security.debian.org to double check. :) |
| 07:18.25 | blast_hardcheese | I just check aptitude changelog libssl1.0.0 and look for CVE-2014-0160. |
| 07:18.34 | armin | petern_: but, thanks. |
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| 07:26.03 | kailo | has anyone used linode's LAMP stackscript for debian 7.0 lately? |
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| 07:26.36 | kailo | It claimed to install through the dashboard, but I'm finding that none of the LAMP features are installed.. had to manually install apache and mysql |
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| 07:29.14 | babilen | kailo: #linode is almost certainly the channel you are looking for |
| 07:29.33 | kailo | eh, pinged there too.. but no luck |
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| 07:29.41 | teotwaki | what libssl version should I have if I were up to date? |
| 07:29.47 | kailo | figured I'd ask here since 99% of them seem to use ubuntu server |
| 07:30.32 | babilen | teotwaki: See "/topic" and ask our bot about <dsa2896> with "/msg dpkg dsa2896" please |
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| 07:30.39 | teotwaki | apologies |
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| 07:30.56 | babilen | np, it should be >= 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 btw |
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| 07:31.39 | babilen | teotwaki: Please keep in mind that you will have to revoke and replace certificates and also restart all affected services. |
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| 07:33.06 | Kingsy | anyone in here used w3m-img ? |
| 07:33.24 | z8z | babilen: so openssl 1.0.1e is no affected by the bug? |
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| 07:33.43 | babilen | z8z: The patched version in Debian is not |
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| 07:34.03 | teotwaki | babilen: I'm aware of that, but I'd rather ensure that everything is patched before deploying the new certs |
| 07:34.15 | z8z | babilen: you mean the last |
| 07:34.25 | z8z | babilen: issued yesterday |
| 07:34.28 | babilen | teotwaki: I'd recommend to either run "checkrestart" (from debian-goodies), "grep -l 'libssl.*deleted' /proc/*/maps" and restart processes/services that come up or reboot the box |
| 07:34.29 | teotwaki | babilen: and considering I've had a bit of trouble getting libssl to upgrade, just wanted a reality check. Thanks. |
| 07:34.41 | teotwaki | babilen: yeah just did a reboot again |
| 07:34.46 | babilen | z8z: I am referring to versions >= 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 07:34.58 | babilen | teotwaki: What kind of trouble? |
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| 07:36.17 | z8z | babilen: is that named 1.0.1f? |
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| 07:36.30 | themill | z8z: no |
| 07:36.31 | Kingsy | surely ssh -X user@server.com then w3m-img http://www.google.com should show an image, it doesnt |
| 07:36.37 | babilen | It is not, the OpenSSL version is 1.0.1e |
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| 07:36.55 | z8z | babilen: so just a patch from debian team for the same version? |
| 07:36.57 | themill | z8z: it might be worth re-reading the DSA. |
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| 07:37.22 | themill | Kingsy: what actually happens? |
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| 07:37.35 | Kingsy | themill: w3m-img loads but without images |
| 07:37.40 | babilen | themill: What was that nice factoid double about that? One was "debian revision", but the name for the "we patch things" one eludes me right now. |
| 07:37.51 | themill | !security backports |
| 07:37.51 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>. |
| 07:37.56 | babilen | that's the one :) |
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| 07:38.49 | Zedarf | SSL IS STUPID SHIT LAYER SECURITY. IT WAS CREATED BY A BUNCH OF FUCKHEADS WHO THOUGHT SENDING A PRIVATE KEY THROUGH THE WIRE IS A GREAT IDEA |
| 07:39.03 | z8z | Zedarf: ROFL |
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| 07:39.58 | themill | same people who invented the caps lock, I guess. |
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| 07:40.35 | z8z | themill: ROFL * 2 |
| 07:40.41 | Zedarf | Yes themill, but caps lock makes for stronger passwords |
| 07:41.09 | z8z | Zedarf: I have to kind of agree with you :D |
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| 07:41.55 | Zedarf | But stronger passwords don't matter when your security consists of SSL encryption that can be factorized in the matter of minutes |
| 07:42.07 | themill | wrong channel? |
| 07:42.56 | z8z | themill: well that's the main topics of these days in every channel i guess |
| 07:43.11 | themill | no, this channel is for debian user support. |
| 07:43.59 | z8z | themill: users just upgraded ssl in their debian distro and asking about that topic |
| 07:44.14 | themill | that's not the same as discussing SSL. |
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| 07:44.48 | z8z | themill: sometimes IT problems are connected and can't jump from channel to channel to complete a conversation |
| 07:45.19 | themill | perhaps you were looking for #openssl. |
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| 07:45.51 | Zedarf | Sometimes there is a hiccup on the wire that causes a transmission to be sent to the wrong channel |
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| 07:45.58 | jelly-home | there's a perfectly fine #debian-offtopic for people that want to continue a rational discussion, instead of pretending to discuss ssl by using keywords, and not showing any actual understanding |
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| 07:48.18 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 07:48.44 | ShapeShifter499 | should I worry about the heartbleed bug while running debian as a server? |
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| 07:48.54 | babilen | ShapeShifter499: /topic |
| 07:49.00 | xar- | if you care about security, probably |
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| 07:49.17 | tonythomas | I am getting dependency clashes on installing mysql on giving aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client |
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| 07:49.40 | tonythomas | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NQOTLjIN |
| 07:49.42 | ShapeShifter499 | I only use my server for printer and file sharing (files shared over ssh) |
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| 07:50.01 | tonythomas | can someone look into the same and get me sorted out ? |
| 07:50.16 | petern_ | You've mixed ubuntu and wheezy repos? |
| 07:50.26 | jelly-home | tonythomas: the system seems to be mixing ubuntu and debian packages |
| 07:50.27 | tonythomas | petern_: I dont know how that happened |
| 07:50.34 | tonythomas | how to get me out ? |
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| 07:51.15 | tonythomas | I had added this into my /etc/apt/sources.list deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal main universe |
| 07:51.22 | tonythomas | is it causing the problem / |
| 07:51.23 | tonythomas | ? |
| 07:51.27 | petern_ | 08:50 < tonythomas> petern_: I dont know how that happened |
| 07:51.33 | petern_ | so you do know how it happened. |
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| 07:51.46 | z8z | themill: if i download a package from debian archive and install on a pc without internet it causes some problem to the package manager database? |
| 07:51.57 | petern_ | And yes, it is causing the problem. |
| 07:52.01 | tonythomas | petern_: ok. once I remove that, and do apt-get update ? |
| 07:52.02 | themill | z8z: that rather depends |
| 07:52.04 | tonythomas | will fix it ? |
| 07:52.11 | jelly-home | tonythomas: yes, and this installation is beyond easy repair |
| 07:52.30 | tonythomas | jelly-home: thats sad |
| 07:52.34 | tonythomas | I have commented the line |
| 07:52.35 | petern_ | Yes, update. Depending on what you've installed since adding that line, you may still be screwed though. |
| 07:52.36 | jelly-home | tonythomas: it won't fix the current mess, as you already have system components from ubuntu |
| 07:52.42 | z8z | themill: means? |
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| 07:52.51 | tonythomas | jelly-home: is there a way to remove them all ? |
| 07:52.55 | jelly-home | tonythomas: reinstall |
| 07:53.00 | themill | z8z: ask a non-specific question, get a non-specific answer. |
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| 07:53.05 | tonythomas | jelly-home: :o Thatas the only way ? |
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| 07:53.09 | why-hello | hello |
| 07:53.21 | why-hello | can someone walk me thru adding a repo? |
| 07:53.27 | jelly-home | tonythomas: the only sane way with your level of knowledge and free support here, yes |
| 07:53.35 | why-hello | I am modify /etc/apt/sources.list and not sure i am doing right |
| 07:53.44 | viscera | why would debian-backports have both 3.12 and 3.13? |
| 07:53.50 | tonythomas | jelly-home: ok |
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| 07:54.12 | z8z | themill: how i can be more specific than that? You know.... download a more recent package bring with a pendrive to other pc and double click to install |
| 07:54.26 | themill | z8z: you could be specific about the package. |
| 07:54.54 | jelly-home | tonythomas: in the future, avoid adding repositories unless you're certain they contain packages made EXACTLY for the debian release you installed |
| 07:54.56 | Kingsy | oh, w3m-img doesnt even work locally in a xterm... is there something else you need to install along with the w3m-img package? |
| 07:54.58 | why-hello | http://swi-prolog.org/build/Debian.html trying to install swi-prolog latest :) |
| 07:55.05 | why-hello | hm |
| 07:55.10 | why-hello | ok |
| 07:55.15 | tonythomas | jelly-home: ok |
| 07:55.17 | jelly-home | ,v swi-prolog |
| 07:55.17 | z8z | themill: iceweasel 24... but i don't understand why should make the difference depending on the package |
| 07:55.18 | judd | Package: swi-prolog on i386 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.10.4-5; jessie: 6.6.0-2; sid: 6.6.4-2 |
| 07:55.52 | teotwaki | babilen: openssl was at the correct version after a regular apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, however libssl version wouldn't budge. Running apt-get upgrade -V didn't show libssl as being kept back. I manually pulled the package from security.debian.org, and dpkg -i'd it. Seems AOK now. |
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| 07:56.31 | themill | z8z: if you download some random package from sid and install it on your wheezy system it might work out or it might not. If you download only the iceweasel package and not its other xulrunner* etc dependencies it probably won't work out. |
| 07:57.07 | themill | z8z: you're asking me to do the dependency resolution that apt would do for you without telling me which set of dependencies to check. That's not really very easy to do. |
| 07:57.11 | themill | dpkg: tell z8z about apt-offline |
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| 07:57.51 | why-hello | ok avoiding adding repo, and using the long manual dependency list, which I think does work in the end |
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| 07:58.18 | jelly-home | why-hello: you may be able to build a backported 6.6.4 or 6.6.0 (and libunwind8-dev) using the recipe from /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 07:58.24 | why-hello | what do you guys use to program websites? |
| 07:58.36 | z8z | themill: ok so next question is... how can i download entire package list in a folder and go to that pc and update? |
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| 07:58.54 | themill | z8z: what dpkg said. |
| 07:58.58 | z8z | themill: can't use dvds 'cause 7.5 will be released later |
| 07:59.05 | z8z | themill: nothing :D |
| 07:59.12 | why-hello | billy zane lol what a tranny that guy was |
| 07:59.15 | z8z | themill: didn't work |
| 07:59.32 | z8z | ah ok |
| 07:59.58 | why-hello | whats the fastest mirror in los angeles? |
| 08:00.08 | why-hello | is there some like find me a fast mirror app? |
| 08:01.58 | z8z | themill: it's doesn't explain how to create local mirror package list and carry with harddrive to a pc and upgrade |
| 08:02.39 | themill | z8z: follow the other references then |
| 08:03.07 | themill | including the previous section that of the apt-offline manual |
| 08:03.38 | Kingsy | if I want to using X11 forwarding do I need to install the entire xorg package in debian? |
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| 08:03.57 | Kingsy | atm $DISPLAY is just blank |
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| 08:04.36 | themill | Kingsy: just the xauth package (which should have been installed by default) |
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| 08:06.17 | Kingsy | themill: ok, that wasnt installed, just installed it now, echo $DISPLAY still returns blank |
| 08:06.48 | themill | you'd need to reconnect |
| 08:07.23 | tonythomas | jelly-home: downgraded all the ubuntu packages, now running lamp server smoothly |
| 08:07.24 | tonythomas | ;) |
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| 08:08.18 | lxsameer | hey guys, I install a testing debian, but all of my ssl certs in my browser is untrusted, is it because heartbleed vuln ? |
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| 08:15.08 | Kingsy | themill: great, do I need to make an .Xauthority does not exist |
| 08:15.35 | Kingsy | oops, anyway, I get that error when logging in, do I need to copy that file into my home dir from somewhere? |
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| 08:18.02 | Kingsy | looks like it went away after the first login perhaps it created one |
| 08:18.23 | Lachezar | Hey all... Having problems adding security.debian.org to apt sources: http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 08:18.36 | Kingsy | yay, it works |
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| 08:19.19 | Lachezar | As instructed in /etc/apt/sources.d/wheezy-security.list I have: deb http://security.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 08:19.48 | Lachezar | s/sources.d/sources.list.d/ |
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| 08:20.11 | finga | what does the cronjob 'command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1' do? |
| 08:20.33 | why-hello | who knows! |
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| 08:21.23 | ido370 | To create a daily record of sar activities |
| 08:21.37 | Lachezar | finga: checks if debian-sa1 exists, and runs it with "1 1" as parameters. |
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| 08:23.30 | Lachezar | found a typo. Silly him. |
| 08:23.56 | finga | Lachezar: thx!! |
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| 08:28.06 | z8z | apt-mirror can be used to mirror any ftp basically? |
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| 08:31.14 | rgr | basically? |
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| 08:33.12 | z8z | rgr: it mirror any ftp website? or has specific functions for debian ftps? |
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| 08:33.20 | rgr | Its to do with mirroring apt repos localls regardless of the protocol. So no not ftp basically. |
| 08:33.24 | rgr | locally |
| 08:33.31 | rgr | ftp website? |
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| 08:33.39 | rgr | What is it you want to do? |
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| 08:37.53 | z8z | just curious if it would be able to mirror a random ftp dirstruct same way it does with debian ftp mirrors |
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| 08:46.25 | ryonaloli | if i have a server that's been prepared and installed already, is there a way to set up encryption on the disk on the fly? |
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| 08:50.31 | ChrisH | ryonaloli: none that I am aware of. |
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| 08:51.00 | ryonaloli | then what's the best way to convert it to using encrypted / (or maybe just encrypted /var) with minimum downtime? |
| 08:51.59 | osmo_SMS | hello guys, are some1 from here who use webmin? |
| 08:52.08 | osmo_SMS | i used only whm, today i installed for first time webmin, and i have problems to make dns... some1 from here can help me, or give me a good tutorial, already i try from 2 sources 'n failed.. ? thanks |
| 08:52.28 | wols | !webmin |
| 08:52.29 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 08:53.27 | osmo_SMS | i didnt find other free whcp for alternatives... |
| 08:53.32 | wols | osmo_SMS: are you asking about your own DNS server? |
| 08:53.46 | osmo_SMS | yes. about my own dns from server |
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| 08:54.03 | wols | not "own dns from server". do you want to host your own DNS server and if so: why? |
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| 08:55.12 | osmo_SMS | i want to setup dns because i have to host ~50domains |
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| 08:56.35 | SynrG | using mainstream tools like bind directly via cmdline will put you in a much better position for: a) acquiring a skill that will serve you well anywhere b) receiving support |
| 08:57.19 | SynrG | and if you're not used to command line interfaces and are an admin with any significant responsibilities, start now |
| 08:58.02 | petern_ | I must admit, I use a web control panel to manage my domains. But I wrote it. |
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| 08:58.38 | jelly | osmo_SMS: you can easily manage 50 domains dns data via registrar's DNS tools. Saner registrars have APIs to automate things. |
| 08:58.48 | file-exists-p | what is rootfs? How comes I see two volume (one rootfs and one ext4) mounted on / ? |
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| 08:59.44 | osmo_SMS | not rlly, my registrar domain suck a bit.... have a old panel |
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| 09:00.17 | wols | file-exists-p: initrd remnant https://wiki.debian.org/rootfs |
| 09:00.33 | file-exists-p | ah |
| 09:00.51 | file-exists-p | so it allows out-dated process/programs to access / through it? |
| 09:00.56 | file-exists-p | or something along this line? |
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| 09:02.40 | wols | no. initrd is nothing outdated. it's a remnant of your boot process |
| 09:02.44 | file-exists-p | ah |
| 09:02.46 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 09:03.17 | file-exists-p | remnant as in "10s ago" not "10 years ago" :) |
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| 09:04.38 | DotHack | mornin! |
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| 09:10.48 | ectospasm | o/ |
| 09:11.04 | joltcan | \o |
| 09:11.16 | Koma | \o/ |
| 09:11.29 | jelly | file-exists-p: artifact, if you want. Userspace tools may hide it some day. |
| 09:11.40 | waqstar | o|o |
| 09:11.50 | Koma | http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/creative/animations/macarena.html <- |
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| 09:16.14 | Weetos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.18 | ryonaloli | is there a way to tell a debian server with an encrypted disk to write the key to /boot, then reboot and use the key before deleting it? |
| 09:23.03 | hoxu | ryonaloli, why not use something like dropbear to access the server while it's rebooting and input the password manually? |
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| 09:23.34 | ryonaloli | hoxu: for servers that need to reboot when i'm not around |
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| 09:25.57 | r15 | hi #Debian |
| 09:26.20 | gXen | I have never installed SSL certificates... how do I install it? I have one from a CA |
| 09:26.26 | wols | what is the point if the encryped disk has the password in the clear in your initrd? defeats the point |
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| 09:27.51 | ryonaloli | wols: the password would be wiped upon rebooting. as far as i can see the only the that can go wrong is if the reboot fails, and it's left with an unencrypted keyfile on /boot (unless it's set to reboot a second time upon failure, wipe the keyfile, and shutdown again) |
| 09:28.24 | r15 | i am not able to perform upgrade of my debian machine, => https://dpaste.de/ncQh |
| 09:28.28 | hoxu | ryonaloli, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
| 09:28.53 | ryonaloli | hoxu: a remote server that might need to reboot without me there to give it the key |
| 09:28.56 | r15 | tried apt-get -f install however getting few errors with libc6 |
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| 09:29.45 | r15 | issue with upgrade the C library.. |
| 09:29.46 | fuegosza | hi from spain |
| 09:29.57 | fuegosza | any one help me please??? |
| 09:30.11 | fuegosza | i need activate all log on debian |
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| 09:30.48 | wols | !es |
| 09:30.50 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 09:30.53 | fuegosza | i have config the standar log but not retrieve anything |
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| 09:31.07 | hoxu | ryonaloli, then there is no point to keep the disk encrypted |
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| 09:31.29 | wols | r15: check where this /lib/ld-2.11.3.so comes from. looks like a leftover from an old debian installation |
| 09:31.56 | wols | squeeze probably |
| 09:32.13 | r15 | fuegosza: ps -ef | grep rsyslogd |
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| 09:32.25 | ryonaloli | hoxu: the point would be to prevent if from being shut down then have the disk imaged |
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| 09:32.26 | r15 | do you see a process? |
| 09:32.28 | rvgate | anyone? |
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| 09:32.42 | rvgate | oops... wc |
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| 09:32.59 | naquad | people, is there any openssl update for wheezy? from what i see there's only 1.0.1e-3 and it is vulnerable :( |
| 09:33.10 | r15 | wols:dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/ld-2.11.3.so |
| 09:33.21 | petern_ | naquad, see topic |
| 09:33.33 | naquad | thanks |
| 09:33.39 | wols | naquad: there is. which debian package do you have installed? debian wheezy is stable, it will always be 1.0.1e |
| 09:34.10 | r15 | trying manually removing confilict files. |
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| 09:34.50 | naquad | wols, 1.0.1e-3 |
| 09:34.55 | SynrG | naquad: your system is screwed |
| 09:35.00 | SynrG | naquad: you are not running stable |
| 09:35.02 | r15 | fuegosza: check you have enough free space under /var and ensure rsyslogd is running. |
| 09:35.04 | wols | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:35.05 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 09:35.06 | SynrG | we've seen this before |
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| 09:35.23 | SynrG | naquad: sounds like you've mixed in testing or unstable at some point |
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| 09:35.44 | SynrG | naquad: -3 is a months old version from testing/unstable and is vulnerable |
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| 09:36.13 | naquad | and 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6? is it vulnerable? |
| 09:36.25 | SynrG | naquad: you would need to *downgrade* by explicitly installing apt-get install openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 libssl1.0.0=1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 09:36.30 | SynrG | no |
| 09:36.48 | jelly | I wonder if aptitude has an incantation to install source(foo)=version |
| 09:36.52 | SynrG | but your system in its current state, with random things mixed in from testing/unstable, is *not* stable, and not safe to run |
| 09:37.11 | SynrG | (as is aptly illustrated by this one case) |
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| 09:37.30 | SynrG | ... pun intended |
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| 09:39.42 | naquad | SynrG, thanks for the command, it helped indeed. i know i have an issue with the system, but can't reinstall it completely and i don't know any way to safely downgrade packages :( |
| 09:39.47 | naquad | *all packages |
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| 09:40.40 | SynrG | naquad: right. well, until you do reinstall, your system isn't really supportable |
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| 09:43.10 | abhvym | i am facing can not install grub to /target issuen while installing debian 7 lxde |
| 09:43.12 | abhvym | 64 bit |
| 09:43.12 | abhvym | help |
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| 09:44.04 | SynrG | that's not really much to go on. specific error message? |
| 09:44.28 | SynrG | abhvym: how did you copy the install image to the install media? |
| 09:44.35 | SynrG | abhvym: and which image are you using? |
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| 09:44.41 | abhvym | SynrG, dd |
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| 09:45.36 | abhvym | SynrG, shall i give you photo? it says error while installing grub to /target. if there is any other error why would i hide it? i came here to get help or to waste time? |
| 09:46.12 | SynrG | abhvym: defensive much? i just said it wasn't much to go on. and the syslog for the install would contain more details. |
| 09:46.15 | rgr | whats the name of the gnome volume applet for running in the systray? I know for NM its nm-applet but I cant find the name of one for Gnome (I'm not using gnome-panel, rather stalonetray in an xmonad setup). To my eternal shame I havent manged to google it. |
| 09:46.25 | SynrG | abhvym: also, which image? it is relevant |
| 09:46.39 | abhvym | SynrG, debian lxde 7 wheezy 64 bit |
| 09:46.42 | LinAck | abhvym, I don't know if this would help you but I had the same error when using btrfs, but I reinstalled with ext4 and it worked. I don't know why but it worked for me. |
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| 09:46.57 | abhvym | LinAck, i am not using btrfs. only ext4 |
| 09:46.58 | SynrG | abhvym: the debian-installer image or live image? |
| 09:47.12 | abhvym | debian live cd |
| 09:47.35 | SynrG | abhvym: using the "Install" boot option or installer launcher from the desktop? |
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| 09:48.14 | abhvym | SynrG, from the deskto |
| 09:48.15 | abhvym | p |
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| 09:48.38 | SynrG | abhvym: yeah, that's why i asked. i've heard of problems with that but have never been able to isolate it |
| 09:48.52 | abhvym | SynrG, how to solve it? |
| 09:48.54 | SynrG | abhvym: something to do with multiple usb devices perhaps? anyway, boot "Install" from the boot menu |
| 09:49.02 | SynrG | it will go better for you |
| 09:49.35 | abhvym | SynrG, you mean i have to type "boot install" at the boot prompt? |
| 09:49.39 | SynrG | no |
| 09:49.49 | SynrG | there is a boot menu. "Install" is one of your options |
| 09:49.52 | abhvym | ok. got it. yeah |
| 09:49.52 | SynrG | select it and press enter |
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| 10:03.29 | spyder | can anyone help me setup sql-ledger |
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| 10:05.20 | spyder | can anyone suggest a inventory management software? |
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| 10:06.32 | z8z | spyder: what do you mean? |
| 10:06.52 | z8z | spyder: like stock management? |
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| 10:14.10 | spyder | z8z: yes |
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| 10:16.07 | z8z | spyder: Never found a good one and that's why i made one myself |
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| 10:17.04 | spyder | z8z: i basically want to maintain inventory of my electronics parts just for my personal use |
| 10:17.34 | spyder | can you suggest any will do a sufficient job until i am able to make one? |
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| 10:18.46 | z8z | spyder: really i couldn't find anyone which was good at all |
| 10:18.57 | z8z | spyder: lack of features all the time |
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| 10:19.51 | z8z | spyder: no box managements and tagging of products or no unlimited pictures for the same product and so on |
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| 10:22.05 | spyder | z8z: ok |
| 10:22.16 | spyder | thanks for help |
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| 10:23.57 | Sbroker` | shhhh.... |
| 10:24.22 | z8z | spyder: I'm evaluating to release mine undel GPL so if you wait you'll be able to use it soon |
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| 10:27.30 | NuxRo | Hi. How do I completely "silence" apt/dpkg? I do not want any dialogues, pop-up ncurses windows or anything else (it's breaking some automated builds). Tried DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but the libssl install package still triggers a "pop-up" window |
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| 10:32.00 | SynrG | NuxRo: missing "-y" |
| 10:32.47 | ectospasm | does -y prevent the popups? I don't remember (I haven't used -y in so long...) |
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| 10:33.09 | SynrG | pretty sure as long as every debconf q has a default, this works |
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| 10:33.56 | SynrG | i think in some corner cases this may fail (e.g. fglrx-driver forcing user interaction if the platform lacks the hardware ... which breaks flgrx-targeted builds in chroot) |
| 10:33.58 | SynrG | :p |
| 10:33.59 | spyder | z8z: how soon? |
| 10:34.08 | SynrG | that shouldn't be the case here though |
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| 10:34.26 | gregor2 | can annyone help me installing teamspeak3 so that it starts automatically at boot |
| 10:34.35 | SynrG | NuxRo: if that's insufficient, i guess you'll have to preseed the answers it want |
| 10:34.38 | SynrG | wants* |
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| 10:34.47 | z8z | spyder: maybe 1 month |
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| 10:35.27 | gregor2 | there are files called ts3server_startscript.sh and ts3server_minimal_runscript.sh |
| 10:36.35 | spyder | z8z: ok |
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| 10:37.33 | SynrG | gregor2: without actually seeing the scripts, it's hard to advise (and make sure the license actually allows you to share them ...) |
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| 10:38.22 | SynrG | gregor2: if neither of these looks more-or-less like the scripts already in your /etc/init.d/ then you need a proper init script (i.e. starts with a comment header with standard LSB headers specifying init dependencies) |
| 10:39.35 | SynrG | gregor2: the *best* solution is to have the vendor actually provide an init script suitable for use on Debian and derivs. well, the *best* *best* solution is that they release their software under a free license so we can take care of that ourselves :) |
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| 10:40.33 | SynrG | gregor2: you'll understand if we collectively don't jump for joy spending our volunteer time on filling in for the deficiencies of a non-free upstream's support for Debian :p |
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| 10:41.44 | gregor2 | how can i difine a script that it automatically gets executed at boot? |
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| 10:42.24 | SynrG | gregor2: examine the other /etc/init.d/ scripts. you need something similar. as i said before (if it was you who asked this before ... i forget) start-stop-daemon has a --chuid option that can help. |
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| 10:43.04 | nf7 | Is anyone running a more recent version of GNOME on Debian? It comes with 3.4 but the latest stable release is 3.12. |
| 10:43.27 | SynrG | gregor2: not having seen these scripts the init script you'll write could be: 1) based on their 'start' script 2) written from scratch completely replacing their 'start' script or 3) just calls their 'start' script. i can't tell which. |
| 10:43.41 | gregor2 | http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads |
| 10:43.52 | gregor2 | here is the whole download with the scripts! |
| 10:44.03 | SynrG | gregor2: sorry, i'm not clicking through their agreement to download non-free software i don't want to use |
| 10:44.05 | petern_ | Their start script just sets up environment variables (to use the locally duplicated libraries) and then runs it. |
| 10:44.45 | SynrG | this is truly their problem to fix. if they're going to be assholes about sharing their code, i can't see how they expect the free software community to help |
| 10:45.03 | gregor2 | why not? |
| 10:45.29 | SynrG | you don't see any problem with them not paying me to support their commercial product that lines their own pockets? |
| 10:45.35 | petern_ | Oh, actually one is roughly an initscript, though it doesn't have the right headers and uses none of the niceities that the proper scripts do. |
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| 10:45.52 | SynrG | petern_: so possibly my '1)' above |
| 10:46.12 | SynrG | good, because that's the easiest case to solve. |
| 10:46.17 | bezaban | cve lookup CVE-2013-4449 |
| 10:46.29 | SynrG | gregor2: don't get me wrong. people here may be able/willing to help. just don't expect it. |
| 10:46.30 | gregor2 | and how can i autostart that now? |
| 10:46.35 | SynrG | gah |
| 10:46.50 | SynrG | sick ... and not enjoying it. sorry if i've come across as cranky |
| 10:46.56 | jelly | bezaban: you forgot "/msg dpkg " in front! |
| 10:47.12 | bezaban | jelly: yes, sorry. wrong window |
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| 10:47.14 | SynrG | gregor2: in any case, it looks like petern_ may be willing to go further with this with you. good luck |
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| 10:47.50 | gregor2 | petern how? |
| 10:48.13 | SynrG | gregor2: and just to be clear, i'm venting at teamspeak, not you. you may have valid reasons to use this non-free software and can't use free alternatives ... |
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| 10:48.26 | SynrG | gregor2: i would encourage you *if you can* to use free alternatives, because we can actually support you. |
| 10:48.31 | SynrG | gregor2: but understand if you can't |
| 10:48.48 | petern_ | Mumble/Murmur works pretty well. |
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| 10:48.54 | gregor2 | i could use teamspeak 2 |
| 10:49.02 | gregor2 | its in the package list of debian |
| 10:49.11 | gregor2 | but i want to use ts3 |
| 10:49.17 | bezaban | unpatched remote openldap crash |
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| 10:51.07 | spyder | z8z: can you give me a pre-release version? |
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| 11:00.41 | spyder | can anyone help me install partkeepr? |
| 11:01.15 | SynrG | what is it? i don't see it in debian. |
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| 11:01.43 | spyder | Its no in the debian package system |
| 11:01.59 | spyder | its an inventory management software |
| 11:02.05 | wols | state your actual problem |
| 11:02.08 | SynrG | so what's your specific problem? |
| 11:02.20 | SynrG | i assume they have docs on how to install. follow them. |
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| 11:03.00 | spyder | the docs want me to install nodejs and npm which are not available in debian repository |
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| 11:03.29 | SynrG | spyder: i think with wheezy you're out of luck. i believe nodejs is in backports but npm is not |
| 11:03.34 | SynrG | ,v nodejs |
| 11:03.35 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.10.26~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.26~dfsg1-1 |
| 11:03.39 | SynrG | ,v npm |
| 11:03.40 | judd | Package: npm on i386 -- jessie: 1.4.4+ds-1; sid: 1.4.4+ds-1 |
| 11:03.48 | SynrG | if it *really* requires npm ... |
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| 11:03.57 | SynrG | you could ask them if a non-npm install is possible. |
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| 11:05.16 | SynrG | spyder: as i understand it, npm is a nodejs package manager. theoretically you could install nodejs stuff without it ... |
| 11:05.31 | petern_ | I'm generous, I just looked at it. There are installation instructions in there, and it doesn't seem to involve node or npm at all. PHP and Java. |
| 11:05.33 | SynrG | spyder: i am no nodejs expert, however, so couldn't say how :/ |
| 11:05.34 | spyder | SynrG: ok |
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| 11:05.45 | SynrG | petern_: really? how strange ... |
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| 11:06.19 | SynrG | spyder: where are you getting this information? URL please? |
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| 11:07.40 | spyder | https://github.com/partkeepr/PartKeepr/blob/master/documentation/developer/INSTALL-UBUNTU |
| 11:07.53 | spyder | petern_: how?? |
| 11:07.56 | armin | when updating libssl, apache is not in the list of services to be restarted, though lsof shows it uses /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 - anyone an idea why? |
| 11:08.03 | petern_ | Hmm, okay, sorry, missed that bit. |
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| 11:09.07 | petern_ | armin, restart it manually |
| 11:09.22 | ksk | regarding that "services that need a restart" - hwo do i automate such a upgrade? (tell apt to just do it, but not ask me) |
| 11:09.39 | armin | petern_: that's a solution, i wanted to know the cause though. |
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| 11:09.50 | SynrG | spyder: to support those install instructions, you would need to be running testing, not stable. please ask upstream if it's possible to install without npm. |
| 11:10.08 | SynrG | spyder: as i said, you *could* install the nodejs from wheezy-backports. but there is no wheezy-backports npm. |
| 11:10.19 | SynrG | spyder: so those instructions aren't going to work. |
| 11:11.05 | petern_ | ksk, -y? |
| 11:11.17 | SynrG | ,v node-jslint |
| 11:11.19 | judd | No package named 'node-jslint' was found in i386. |
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| 11:11.59 | ksk | petern_: no :) |
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| 11:12.27 | SynrG | spyder: it seems to only need npm for node-jslint. it's possibly you could get it to work by installing the nodejs from wheezy-backports and the node-jslint from source |
| 11:12.34 | gregor2 | petern_ how can i run teamspeak automatically? |
| 11:12.43 | ectospasm | I want to read the security bulletin for openssl (which I just upgraded on this system). Where in my filesystem might I find that? |
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| 11:13.09 | wols | ectospasm: nowhere. it's on https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 11:13.23 | spyder | it states that to install normally point browser to setup/ of the extracted sources but it does nothing can anyone help me there? |
| 11:13.23 | wols | there might be a changelog somewhere which mentions the CVE |
| 11:13.41 | wols | spyder: where have you extracted it to? |
| 11:13.45 | armin | petern_: anyways, to me it seems like the upgrade script there simply won't detect apache2 at all, and i'm not the only one experiencing this. |
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| 11:14.46 | petern_ | that's correct. i don't know why, maybe it's a mistake. |
| 11:14.54 | petern_ | it misses postgresql as well |
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| 11:15.25 | spyder | wols: right now it is in my Downloads directory |
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| 11:15.43 | curfont | Hey, which version of openssl is patched for heartbleed? I just updated it and it shows as openssl_1.0.1e-2+deb7u4_amd64 |
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| 11:15.51 | curfont | But I don't think this is patched? |
| 11:15.57 | SynrG | curfont: your sources.list is wrong. no, it is not |
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| 11:16.04 | SynrG | curfont: you need a line for security |
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| 11:16.23 | curfont | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 11:16.25 | curfont | I have this |
| 11:16.33 | curfont | maybe its the order? |
| 11:16.45 | curfont | should the security be first in the list? |
| 11:16.49 | ectospasm | curfont: did you aptitude update? |
| 11:17.00 | ectospasm | order shouldn't matter |
| 11:17.08 | curfont | I think I did, let me try again |
| 11:17.52 | curfont | thanks ectospasm, I must have forgot, its getting openssl_1.0.1e-2+deb7u6_amd64 now |
| 11:17.52 | SynrG | curfont: or your pinning is hosed. if you still can't get it to work, at paste.debian.net let's see your 'apt-cache policy' output, please. |
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| 11:17.56 | curfont | Thats the correct one? |
| 11:17.57 | SynrG | oh, good |
| 11:17.58 | SynrG | yes |
| 11:18.02 | curfont | Thanks! |
| 11:18.10 | SynrG | not just openssl |
| 11:18.13 | SynrG | libssl1.0.0 |
| 11:18.16 | SynrG | that's the important one |
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| 11:18.58 | curfont | Ah, also curl I see |
| 11:19.01 | curfont | Which uses it |
| 11:19.04 | ectospasm | the Debian security advisory is light on details about the existing private keys. |
| 11:19.11 | linedash | don't forget, once you've updated it |
| 11:19.20 | linedash | grep -l 'libssl.*deleted' /proc/*/maps | tr -cd 0-9\\n | xargs -r ps u |
| 11:19.21 | linedash | run that |
| 11:19.31 | linedash | to make sure you've restarted all processes still using the old library |
| 11:19.33 | petern_ | Pretty sure curl is an old security update... |
| 11:19.39 | petern_ | *older |
| 11:19.47 | curfont | maybe |
| 11:20.06 | curfont | linedash: whats that for? |
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| 11:20.28 | SynrG | to locate any services that use the library you upgraded. |
| 11:20.30 | linedash | it finds any references to processes still using the deleted version of libssl |
| 11:20.33 | SynrG | they are vulnerable until restarted |
| 11:20.41 | SynrG | processes* is more correct, yes :) |
| 11:20.47 | linedash | yup; restart any processes listed |
| 11:20.49 | curfont | debian is forcing me to reboot everything :P |
| 11:20.58 | linedash | rebooting works :> |
| 11:21.00 | SynrG | curfont: the problem is 'everything' |
| 11:21.13 | SynrG | the method used to come up with that list is not exhaustive |
| 11:21.21 | curfont | oh |
| 11:21.23 | abhvym | SynrG, it worked. thanks. |
| 11:21.29 | SynrG | abhvym: excellent! |
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| 11:21.54 | curfont | great, why did it leave apache2 out of the reboot list |
| 11:21.58 | curfont | thats the most important one |
| 11:22.01 | SynrG | yeah, why? :) |
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| 11:24.14 | wols | spyder: to be available via a browser, it needs to be accessible under a webserver DocumentRoot |
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| 11:26.09 | spyder | wols: done it, sorry was my mistake |
| 11:26.19 | spyder | how to get GD library for php |
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| 11:28.02 | SynrG | spyder: apt-get install php5-gd |
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| 11:28.53 | spyder | SynrG: thanks |
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| 11:32.19 | curfont | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.23 | curfont | I think I need to reboot for real |
| 11:32.39 | petern_ | Somewhat. |
| 11:33.06 | ectospasm | Well, is ksplice still non-free for Debian? |
| 11:33.15 | ectospasm | free as in beer, that is |
| 11:33.20 | petern_ | You are running a box that's been upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy without rebooting? |
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| 11:34.45 | petern_ | And possibly never rebooted during Squeeze's life... |
| 11:35.16 | ectospasm | sounds like a recipe for disaster |
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| 11:36.18 | spyder | how to make a dir in /var/www writeable by webserver? |
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| 11:36.42 | petern_ | Speaking of which.. |
| 11:37.16 | OpenTokix | spyder: sudo -u www-data mkdir -m 755 /var/www/foo |
| 11:37.17 | curfont | petern_: yes |
| 11:37.18 | curfont | :P |
| 11:37.34 | SynrG | OpenTokix: wrong |
| 11:37.43 | OpenTokix | SynrG: meh, yeah ;) |
| 11:37.44 | spyder | OpenTokix: thanks |
| 11:37.44 | OpenTokix | damn |
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| 11:38.47 | SynrG | OpenTokix: going to correct yourself then? i was graciously allowing you the opportunity :) |
| 11:38.56 | OpenTokix | SynrG: working on it, but please do |
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| 11:39.37 | SynrG | spyder: to make it writable by www-data group, you need 775, not 755 |
| 11:40.03 | SynrG | spyder: if the directory already exists and is owned by www-data, chmod 775 /var/www/foo |
| 11:40.07 | LordDoskias | i want to install the debian wheezy gcc 4.6 armel toolchain, but i'm running ubuntu 12.04, can i use the default packages from emdebian? |
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| 11:40.47 | OpenTokix | SynrG: the rights is correct, he wanted it writable for the webserver, and that command should give it owner www-data, but that would work to ofc. - but my sudo-command didnt work |
| 11:40.57 | petn-randall | LordDoskias: You can create a chroot and install the debian toolchain in there. 'debootstrap' might be the tool of choice for that job. |
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| 11:41.08 | bartzy | Hello |
| 11:41.09 | spyder | SynrG: so i should do chown www-data:root /var/www/foo |
| 11:41.19 | bartzy | I started getting man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct, everywhere on my wheezy machine |
| 11:41.21 | spyder | and chmod 775 /var/www/foo |
| 11:41.38 | OpenTokix | spyder: other way around, root:www-data |
| 11:41.39 | SynrG | spyder: other way around, root:www-data (nothing wrong with www-data:www-data either) |
| 11:41.40 | bartzy | I don’t get how to solve it. dpkg-reconfigure locales don’t do it. |
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| 11:42.26 | jelly | bartzy: what does "locale -a" everywhere say? |
| 11:42.30 | drasko | Hi all, I am getting the apt-get error like this: http://pastebin.com/5MVNMxDk |
| 11:42.31 | LordDoskias | petn-randall, ideally i'd like to do something like: apt-get install gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi and then i get : The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:42.32 | LordDoskias | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.35 | spyder | SynrG: i did that but still getting this error |
| 11:42.38 | drasko | Any ideas? |
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| 11:42.45 | spyder | /var/www/partkeepr-0.1.9/data is not writable. |
| 11:42.47 | spyder | Please adjust the filesystem permissions so that your webserver can write into that directory. |
| 11:42.53 | LordDoskias | gcc-4.8-base-armel-cross is nowhere to be found, there have been other people also complainig about that |
| 11:43.02 | jelly | bartzy: sorry, I meant to ask for jsut "locale" |
| 11:43.20 | bartzy | jelly: http://cl.ly/text/3n0g2d2K2q2d |
| 11:43.30 | bartzy | that was not pasted well |
| 11:43.31 | bartzy | sec |
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| 11:43.57 | spyder | plz can anyone help? |
| 11:43.58 | bartzy | jelly: http://pastebin.com/C3AuFULp |
| 11:44.17 | SynrG | spyder: ls -l /var/www/partkeepr-0.1.9/data |
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| 11:44.26 | jelly | bartzy: alright, and just locale? |
| 11:44.49 | bartzy | jelly: http://pastebin.com/v9a27uLt |
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| 11:45.09 | SynrG | spyder: pardon, ls -dl /var/www/partkeepr-0.1.9/data would be better. |
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| 11:45.31 | bartzy | jelly: It’s the LC_CTYPE, right? Should be en_GB.UTF-8 ? |
| 11:45.34 | bartzy | and not just UTF-8 ? |
| 11:45.36 | jelly | bartzy: I bet that LC_CTYPE of just UTF-8 is the culprit |
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| 11:45.58 | spyder | ok |
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| 11:46.18 | bartzy | jelly: Where did it come from though ? |
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| 11:46.21 | SynrG | spyder: did you spot/fix your own problem or do you still need help with the permissions/ownership? |
| 11:46.41 | bartzy | jelly: Can it be because I connect via SSH from OSX? I don’t remember it happening when I was connecting from linux. |
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| 11:47.12 | drasko | Hi all, I am getting the apt-get error like this: http://pastebin.com/5MVNMxDk |
| 11:47.14 | drasko | Any ideas? |
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| 11:47.23 | spyder | SynrG: fixed the problem |
| 11:47.25 | jelly | bartzy: if it is set to that in your local OSX shell, yes. Debian's openssh-server accepts LC_* stuff given by ssh client |
| 11:47.34 | jelly | by default |
| 11:47.41 | bartzy | jelly: :o |
| 11:47.45 | SynrG | spyder: super. |
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| 11:47.56 | bartzy | jelly: So I need to mess up my local OSX to make the SSH sessino work ? |
| 11:47.59 | SynrG | spyder: on to the next problem? ... ;) |
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| 11:48.30 | SynrG | ,v texlive-omega |
| 11:48.33 | judd | Package: texlive-omega on i386 -- squeeze: 2009-11+squeeze1; wheezy: 2012.20120611-5; jessie: 2013.20140314-1; sid: 2013.20140408-1 |
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| 11:48.56 | SynrG | drasko: a) jessie support is on #debian-next b) looks like a packaging 'oops' probably soon to be fixed |
| 11:48.58 | jelly | bartzy: why? Just make sure ssh client uses the right enviroment. Might be as easy as running it with LC_CTYPE unset, eg. "LC_CTYPE= ssh user@foo" |
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| 11:49.39 | jelly | bartzy: or make sure en_GB.UTF-8 is working on the client machine and use that there as well |
| 11:49.49 | SynrG | drasko: c) if you're confident the file being overwritten won't matter you could dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/texlive-omega_2013.20140314-1_all.deb ... or else you could wait for a new upload with fixed package (and you can check for a bug on it & file one if not one already) |
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| 11:50.23 | SynrG | drasko: any time you resort to --force-* you're intentionally 'damaging' packages :p |
| 11:50.26 | bartzy | jelly: How do I override a SendEnv setting from /etc/ssh_config, in ~/.ssh/config ? |
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| 11:50.32 | SynrG | drasko: you have been warned |
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| 11:51.10 | SynrG | drasko: oh, #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net, by the way |
| 11:51.20 | bartzy | jelly: nevermind. |
| 11:51.24 | jelly | bartzy: I did not find a way to take stuff OUT of SendEnv once it was there, and had to comment out the global setting |
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| 11:51.27 | bartzy | jelly: What should be my locale though? POSIX is fine ? |
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| 11:51.45 | jelly | bartzy: that depends on how you want the apps to behave |
| 11:52.01 | jelly | (that's what locale settings are for) |
| 11:52.10 | bartzy | jelly: If I commend out SendEnv LC_* in OSX’s /etc/ssh_config, then the locale inside debian (after ssh) is POSIX. But on a linux ssh client, it’s en_GB.UTF-8 (checked with “locale” on the ssh terminal) |
| 11:53.04 | bartzy | jelly: What is a POSIX locale? I don’t think I really care how apps in my shell behave |
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| 11:54.16 | jelly | bartzy: "POSIX" is the default setting, as if no locale was set. eg. for collation, it uses ASCII order, for messages and date formats the builtin English, etc |
| 11:54.43 | bartzy | jelly: OK, and generally modern servers, set their locale to a UTF locale or POSIX is fine ? |
| 11:54.53 | bartzy | For example a standard install |
| 11:55.18 | jelly | bartzy: POSIX is the safest option |
| 11:55.30 | bartzy | jelly: Which means ? |
| 11:55.46 | bartzy | jelly: Does it have any impact on anything other than the shell ? |
| 11:56.09 | bartzy | I mean, will a DB program (MySQL, MongoDB) take LC_* env variables and save data like that or something? I guess not right ? |
| 11:56.33 | jelly | bartzy: sure. GNU grep will be a lot slower with a UTF-8 locale compared to C (POSIX) locale |
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| 11:57.05 | bartzy | jelly: Why is that? I guess I don’t understand what locale does. Can you explain or provide a link ? :| |
| 11:57.06 | jelly | there are other situations, /usr/bin/mysql client is one of the tools that will be affected as well |
| 11:57.21 | bartzy | So everything console-related |
| 11:57.34 | jelly | bartzy: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Locales.html |
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| 11:59.54 | jelly | in case of grep, it has to deal with characters that may take more than one byte in UTF-8. In POSIX locale, it assumes ASCII encoding where one character is always exactly one byte, so more optimizations are possible |
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| 12:01.19 | bartzy | but how does that work. All these binaries just use an internalization library that takes note of the LC_* vars ? |
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| 12:01.25 | bartzy | and acts upon text it is given ? |
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| 12:03.01 | jelly | that is one part of it, yes |
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| 12:06.20 | Arafangion | What's a good, quick, LVM tutorial for the guy who really doesn't want to bother with it? (I badly need to give /var and / considerably more space) |
| 12:06.40 | Arafangion | I don't think this is in the debian manual. |
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| 12:07.24 | markotitel | I have issued apt-get remove --purge mysql*, and installed mysql-server again. When I log in mysql I still see old grants. How to completely clear mysql. Debian 7.4 |
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| 12:08.28 | wols | !tell markotitel about confmiss |
| 12:08.40 | m_e | hey guys, does anyone know how to figure out where my openssl key is located ^^ |
| 12:08.40 | wols | markotitel: and delete all mysql files in /var |
| 12:09.03 | wols | m_e: key for what? openssl is simply a library. nothing to do with keys for applications |
| 12:09.17 | petn-randall | LordDoskias: Sounds like an Ubuntu problem that we can do little about. |
| 12:10.00 | Arafangion | I thought the thing to do here, with openssl, was to upgrade it, and discard all the old keys? |
| 12:10.02 | markotitel | wols, confmiss will remove all grants and users? Or just /var/mysql |
| 12:10.08 | m_e | wols: well i am using apache with a secure https connection. which is using openssl i assume. |
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| 12:10.41 | m_e | wols: now i would like to generate a new key without changing my whole configuration. so basically i just want to create a new key on the same location where the old was. |
| 12:10.49 | m_e | wols: i thought i would use openssl to generate that new key. |
| 12:12.00 | wols | m_e: key for WHAT? |
| 12:12.09 | wols | openssl has 0 keys. |
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| 12:13.49 | wols | m_e: https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 12:14.24 | Arafangion | This talk is making me think I should update my openssl. |
| 12:14.56 | wols | if you haven't, it's high time Arafangion |
| 12:15.11 | m_e | Arafangion: if you have an openssl version from the last 2 years than you should because of the heartbleed bug. |
| 12:15.32 | m_e | wols: thank you |
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| 12:16.49 | Arafangion | Indeed. |
| 12:17.12 | jelly | m_e: not really last two years for Debian, wheezy and newer only |
| 12:17.18 | jelly | squeeze machines are quite safe |
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| 12:33.54 | ice9 | I'm on ubuntu and want to chroot into debain, binding dev/ dev/pts/ proc are enough? |
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| 12:34.37 | wols | ice9: chroot for what purpose? |
| 12:34.53 | ice9 | wols: rebuild the initramfs because I'm unable to boot |
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| 12:35.37 | Nik05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.38 | Faitlapoule | hello |
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| 12:36.02 | Nik05 | hello Faitlapoule |
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| 12:36.23 | Faitlapoule | how to test my apache server ? (i am newbie) |
| 12:37.25 | gregor2 | how can i make a script getting started automatically at boot? |
| 12:37.49 | ice9 | I binded sys dev dev/pts proc but after chrooting I run uname -a and get the kernel for the host system |
| 12:37.54 | jelly | ice9: you'll need /sys for the grub bits |
| 12:38.06 | jelly | ice9: that's not a problem |
| 12:38.13 | Faitlapoule | if i try just the localhost (http://localhost) my web page is blank |
| 12:38.20 | ice9 | jelly so how can I verify that I'm in the chroot env? |
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| 12:38.35 | Faitlapoule | but webmin is ok |
| 12:38.56 | jelly | ice9: a variety of ways, eg. lsb_release -a |
| 12:39.19 | Faitlapoule | please help me my backuppc server is down |
| 12:40.22 | jelly | ice9: or any other thing that's different in the chroot and outside. Check versions of lib6 or dpkg packages, for example. Check some file in /etc like issue or sources.list |
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| 12:42.30 | sontek | Is there a way to check what date a package was installed? |
| 12:42.52 | SynrG | ice9: and if it helps stay unconfused, inside a debian chroot you can put a string in /etc/debian_chroot that will be sucked into your PS1 |
| 12:43.01 | SynrG | (sid)root@lear:/# cat etc/debian_chroot |
| 12:43.01 | SynrG | sid |
| 12:43.38 | SynrG | (useful if the chroot is *only* going to be used as a chroot, not a real system) |
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| 12:52.05 | ice9 | if deleted initramfs image by mistake how to recreate it? |
| 12:52.41 | ksk | ice9: dpkg-reconfigure $kernelpackage should do the trick |
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| 13:04.48 | ice9 | when I mount fat partition I get this error: IO charset iso8859-1 not found, do I need to recompile the kernel or what? |
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| 13:05.11 | DarsVaeda_away | hi I used the automated process to setup partitions on my initial installation which setup the /tmp partition to 350MB but now I need 380MB -.- what can I do? |
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| 13:08.47 | musca | ice9: can't you use some UTF-8 encoding? |
| 13:08.53 | musca | !iso8859 |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | ISO8859-1 (and similar) are legacy encodings. Use <UTF-8> instead. Ask me about <compose key>. |
| 13:08.58 | ice9 | musca: not working too |
| 13:09.20 | ice9 | mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8 /dev/sdb1 /media |
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| 13:11.16 | sussudio | why is debian suggesting a reboot after updating openssl? what good could that possibly do? |
| 13:12.24 | qwyeth | sussudio: it's the simplest way to make goddamn sure all services have restarted and are using the new code |
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| 13:13.25 | sussudio | you mean the 3 services it already restarted during upgrade? |
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| 13:14.53 | themill | sussudio: well that list accidentally misses apache and there are likely to be lots of others that are missed (look at the output of checkrestart, for instance) |
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| 13:16.27 | themill | for instance, checkrestart indicates a further 13 processes (some user processes that don't have init scripts so were never going to appear in that debconf prompt) that want restarting on this machine |
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| 13:19.20 | spyder | what are SMD's ?? |
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| 13:20.46 | sussudio | nobody mentioned SMDs. |
| 13:21.02 | dontknow | i am confused about updating the debian. should i use "aptitude safe-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade"? |
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| 13:22.56 | themill | dontknow: depends what your goal is and what the upgrade is. |
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| 13:23.26 | dontknow | themill, could you elaborate |
| 13:23.44 | themill | the man page covers the differences better than I can ehre |
| 13:23.49 | themill | dpkg: tell dontknow about full-upgrade |
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| 13:26.23 | dontknow | themill, so it is best to always run "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 13:26.25 | qwyeth | aptitude safe-upgrade is the aptitude equivalent of apt-get -u update, which updates all currently installed packages. aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalenet of apt-get dist-upgrade. Source: http://bit.ly/1hkDImm |
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| 13:27.15 | themill | dontknow: aptitude handles large upgrades quite poorly |
| 13:27.32 | dontknow | qwyeth, so normally people always run "apt-get -u update"? |
| 13:27.45 | qwyeth | dontknow: You need to put actual thought into *why* you're upgrading. Is it because you want all the new features? (Are you sure? what if it breaks something?) Is it because there are security fixes? (Are you sure? What it breaks something?) |
| 13:27.47 | themill | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 13:28.00 | dontknow | themill, but wiki says it is new interface and doesn't need to use old apt-get anymore |
| 13:28.12 | themill | eh? |
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| 13:28.30 | qwyeth | Is this a desktop office rig? A gaming machine running gnome and steam and wine? Is it a server for development? A server that needs to always stay running and not have things break? |
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| 13:28.54 | dontknow | themill, qwyeth what command you use always? |
| 13:28.54 | qwyeth | dontknow: the fact that this is not obvious is why we sysadmins have jobs. |
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| 13:29.24 | qwyeth | dontknow: No. There is no command that I use always. I use the one that is the most appropriate given the circumstances and my reason for upgrading. |
| 13:29.52 | qwyeth | dontknow: If you tell me what you're upgrading and why you're upgrading it I will help you. |
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| 13:30.28 | dontknow | qwyeth, it is regular desktop pc. so i just want it to keep updated |
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| 13:30.35 | dontknow | but using stable |
| 13:30.48 | dontknow | because debian suggest stable |
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| 13:31.51 | dontknow | qwyeth, so what upgrade command is appropriate for me? |
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| 13:34.00 | qwyeth | dontknow: use aptitude full-upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:34.09 | qwyeth | dontknow: but also don't run stable next time you choose an OS |
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| 13:34.33 | dontknow | qwyeth, ok. but why shouldn't i choose stable? |
| 13:34.36 | sussudio | told my brother to install debian on his vps. ignored me, installed centos because "everyone told me so". now he wants me to help him "because all linux is just basically the same". i hung up the phone. |
| 13:35.21 | qwyeth | dontknow: because you're not running a machine that must critically never ever break ever. instead you're running a personal machine where you probably want nice things. Stable is holding you back. |
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| 13:37.46 | petern_ | Eh, stable's a good desktop OS. |
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| 13:39.20 | dontknow | is it ok to install icon packages prepared for ubuntu? |
| 13:39.32 | zykotick9 | qwyeth: _personally_ i consider testing/sid a downgrade from stable YMMV |
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| 13:41.52 | qwyeth | zykotick9: if I can't get a user to articulate why he's upgrading but he's insistent on doing it anyway, then I will assume he wants new shinies. Personally I run gentoo on my desktop because I <3 bleeding edge |
| 13:42.03 | qwyeth | (heartbleed-ing edge) |
| 13:42.05 | qwyeth | <.< |
| 13:42.21 | Arafangion | Nothing wrong with new shinies. :) |
| 13:42.30 | petern_ | -funroll-loops |
| 13:42.32 | Arafangion | (Unless it's a mission-critical system) |
| 13:42.59 | qwyeth | This system is critical to my mission of obtaining new shinies. |
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| 13:43.34 | Arafangion | Frankly, I tended to run debian stable on my personal, non-critical system, because I am too busy to fix it all the time |
| 13:43.49 | Arafangion | (Now running jessie, though) |
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| 13:44.14 | petern_ | I have a jessie VM if I really need something. |
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| 13:45.12 | Arafangion | At home, running a VM suddenly feels like a waste of time. |
| 13:45.28 | Arafangion | is chaotically busy these days. Preparring for a wedding and all that. |
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| 13:47.57 | Asenar | Hi, I installed by mistake "apt-get install go2", which seems have replaced the cd command … and after removal, cd output is "bash: go2: command not found". Can you help me to recover cd ? |
| 13:49.15 | Asenar | whereis cd doesnt find it, neither which |
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| 13:49.30 | petern_ | Try hash -r |
| 13:49.53 | spyder | how to start sql-ledger? |
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| 13:50.59 | Asenar | no output with hash -r |
| 13:51.08 | Asenar | hash -r cd |
| 13:51.42 | Asenar | and hash -r blabla gives "not found" so I suppose it's found somewhere ... |
| 13:51.56 | Asenar | additional info: as root, cd still works |
| 13:52.44 | Arafangion | Asenar: Isn't "cd" an argument to hash, there? |
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| 13:53.27 | shellox | hi |
| 13:53.40 | Asenar | I don't now that command, but 'hash -r cd' didn't shown anything |
| 13:54.25 | shellox | I've updated squeeze already, but the latest openssl version I can get is OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 13:54.49 | themill | shellox: 1.0.1e isn't in squeeze at all; you should be looking at package versions not other random output |
| 13:54.51 | shellox | but on the heartbleed website it says "OpenSSL 1.0.1 through 1.0.1f (inclusive) are vulnerable" |
| 13:55.24 | shellox | themill: my fault |
| 13:55.26 | shellox | wheezy.. |
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| 13:55.40 | themill | you should be looking at package versions not other random output |
| 13:55.51 | shellox | 7.4 |
| 13:56.04 | shellox | themill: Version: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 13:56.10 | themill | which is the fixed version |
| 13:56.18 | shellox | so the fix was backported? |
| 13:56.23 | themill | always |
| 13:56.30 | shellox | I see |
| 13:56.38 | themill | make sure you've restarted everything that is using libssl though (or reboot) |
| 13:56.50 | shellox | i did |
| 13:56.59 | shellox | i checked with the heartbleed scanner tool as well |
| 13:57.04 | shellox | looks all fine |
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| 13:59.18 | fmost | hello |
| 13:59.28 | Asenar | Arafangion, no cd wasn't present, but if I run ls, dir or ps I see them |
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| 14:00.00 | fmost | is there any significant difference between selecting a desktop installation in tasksel, and downloading the whole list of packages that it would select and install everything with an apt-get command? |
| 14:00.28 | fmost | i am asking because i plan to install everything except gnome, but didn't want to miss on some configuration that tasksel might do |
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| 14:01.03 | themill | fmost: tasksel just tells apt to install packages |
| 14:01.07 | fmost | in particular i plan to sobstitute gnome with mate |
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| 14:01.31 | fmost | good, so apt will take care of setting sensible dafault config |
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| 14:02.32 | shellox_ | themill: did you do a rekey before of a ssl cert? |
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| 14:09.33 | mullman | Hi all. I'm running Wheezy and have updated my openssl to 1.0.1e2+deb7u6 and have run the Heartbleed checker from FiloSottile, and I'm still vulnerible. What can I do here? |
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| 14:10.18 | tomodachi | mullman: did you restart services using openssl?! |
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| 14:10.32 | mullman | I did. I even went so far as to reboot |
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| 14:10.58 | mullman | when I run openssl version -b I get a build date from february |
| 14:10.59 | Zzeiss | What's the "I'm asking for help so I need to do these things first" help to ask for? |
| 14:11.14 | mullman | built on: Sat Feb 1 22:14:33 UTC 2014 |
| 14:11.26 | themill | mullman: you need to check package versions not other random data |
| 14:11.42 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: That question doesn't make sense... :/ |
| 14:11.47 | themill | (and those package versions will tell you that you should upgrade) |
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| 14:11.59 | themill | dpkg: tell mullman about dsa2896 |
| 14:11.59 | mullman | I followed the info from here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160 |
| 14:12.25 | mullman | I'm on the latest from security.debian.org/wheezy |
| 14:12.30 | themill | clearly not |
| 14:12.48 | themill | please read what dpkg said |
| 14:12.55 | mullman | :/etc/apt# dpkg -l|grep openssl |
| 14:12.55 | mullman | ii libgnutls-openssl27:amd64 2.12.20-7 amd64 GNU TLS library - OpenSSL wrapper |
| 14:12.58 | mullman | ii openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 amd64 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools |
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| 14:13.20 | themill | please read what dpkg said. openssl ≠libssl1.0.0 |
| 14:13.22 | Zzeiss | Arafangion: whenever I ask a quesiton, I get a blurb from a bot that says "do this so we can help you" which is mostly log file stuff. But now I need it and can't find it. |
| 14:13.49 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: That question makes sense now. :) |
| 14:14.18 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: Perhaps /msg dpkg ask |
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| 14:14.35 | mullman | I did read it, and I followed the directions on bug#743883 |
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| 14:15.04 | mullman | I'm running 7u6, which is labeled as not vulnerable, according to debian, but I am still vulnerable |
| 14:15.10 | themill | mullman: no... really. read what dpkg told you. |
| 14:15.19 | themill | you're not looking at the right packages |
| 14:15.39 | Zzeiss | (okay, trying again, yes I know there's a protocol for getting the logfiles but I don't know how to ask dpkg for what I should do) |
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| 14:16.54 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: "the" logfiles? |
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| 14:18.15 | Zzeiss | Anyway (yes, I know I should have log files etc ready)... "I'm having trouble updating for Heartbleed. I put in "ftp.debian.us.org" into /etc/apt/sources.list and commented out the others. Doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't get me 1.0.1g or any other openSSL library that fixes Heartbleed. |
| 14:18.19 | mullman | okay, so it wasn't the openssl that needed to be updated, it was libssl. gotcha, that's all you needed to say, thanks |
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| 14:18.50 | themill | did |
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| 14:19.09 | bin_sh | Zzeiss: openssl version --a |
| 14:19.11 | bin_sh | post thjat here |
| 14:19.18 | IT_Sean | Stop being pricks |
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| 14:19.34 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: Showing the sources.list, and hte output of those commands, should probably be enough, sounds like you're getting specific help now, though :) |
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| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | root@baltar:~# openssl version -a |
| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 |
| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | built on: Mon Jan 6 18:08:07 UTC 2014 |
| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | platform: debian-amd64 |
| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | options: bn(64,64) rc4(16x,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) blowfish(idx) |
| 14:19.50 | Zzeiss | compiler: gcc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -m64 -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIO -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wl,-z,relro -Wa,--noexecstack -Wall -DMD32_REG_T=int -DOPENSSL_IA32_SSE2 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT5 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_GF2m -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM -DBSAES_ASM -DWHIRLPOOL_ASM |
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| 14:20.38 | Zzeiss | And perhaps I should have done #flood |
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| 14:20.55 | themill | Zzeiss: paste.debian.net |
| 14:21.02 | Arafangion | Zzeiss: Or use paste.debian.net, however bin_sh probably assumed that you'd just show the 'OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014' line. |
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| 14:21.47 | Zzeiss | http://paste.debian.net/92949/ |
| 14:22.38 | Zzeiss | As you can see, it's 1.0.1f. Which is still vulnerable. |
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| 14:23.11 | average | I have 1.0.1g-2 , am I vulnerable ? |
| 14:23.16 | SirLagz | is there any reason to *not* install 64bit Debian ? |
| 14:23.18 | themill | average: read the DSA |
| 14:23.24 | average | should I get the latest openssl codebase and make packages myself ? |
| 14:23.28 | average | themill: link pls ? |
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| 14:23.33 | themill | average: /topic |
| 14:24.38 | SirLagz | or would it be bad if I installed 64bit debian on an older machine with only 1.5GB of RAM ? |
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| 14:24.44 | vt0r | average: You are fine with 1.0.1g-2 |
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| 14:25.09 | dokma | vim - editor for kids |
| 14:25.53 | Zzeiss | Anyway, any ideas why apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade don't get me a new non-bleed OpenSSL? |
| 14:25.55 | vt0r | dokma: What kind of kids do you have? |
| 14:26.08 | dokma | virtual ones |
| 14:26.08 | nkuttler | vt0r: please don't feed it |
| 14:26.13 | vt0r | Roger |
| 14:26.19 | themill | dpkg: tell Zzeiss about bat |
| 14:26.21 | nkuttler | Zzeiss: apt-cache policy openssl |
| 14:26.48 | nkuttler | Zzeiss: and use a pastebin this time |
| 14:26.49 | average | vt0r: thanks. and the libssl1.0.0 package version 1.0.1f-1 is newer than 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 ( which is marked as vulnerable by dsa2896 . so that's ok too right ? I'm on jessie. I have libssl1.0.0 version 1.0.1f-1 |
| 14:27.20 | nkuttler | bin_sh: and please don't tell people to paste multi-line stuff in here. you saw what happened |
| 14:27.44 | themill | average: the dsa explicitly tells you which version you need for jessie |
| 14:27.57 | SynrG | average: version#s are not comparable between releases where security is concerned. each release must patch the version *in that release* |
| 14:28.28 | SynrG | average: i.e. "newer" is not "patched" |
| 14:28.38 | vt0r | average: Incorrect. Though the 1.0.1e version itself is vulnerable, the latest stable version is 1.0.1e with security patches merged in. Bug notification says "fixed 743883 + 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5" |
| 14:28.41 | Arafangion | As for openssl's statement, it's: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt But distros can patch their versions themselves, as SynrG pointed out. |
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| 14:29.30 | Zzeiss | OK, here's the openSSL fail-to-update info as requested by dpkg: |
| 14:29.34 | Zzeiss | http://paste.debian.net/92950/ |
| 14:29.36 | average | vt0r: shouldn't 1.0.1f-1 be newer than 1.0.1e and thus the patch be present in the newer version ? sorry if I mess this up, I should read up more on it |
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| 14:30.01 | themill | average: please read the dsa... it covers this quite clearly |
| 14:30.02 | jelly | average: it's not newer, it's older but the package version is higher. |
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| 14:30.22 | vt0r | Stable freezes on certain versions that are shown to be stable. The only upgrades done are patches for security and stability, but the version number may remain the same, average |
| 14:30.29 | average | ok, I'll go read the dsa, if you'd like to recommend more reading please let me know |
| 14:30.46 | average | themill: I've read the dsa but it was quite short, and since I'm not very bright today.. |
| 14:30.50 | vt0r | If you have 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5, you're patched and running the latest version available for stable. Ignore the 1.0.1e part |
| 14:31.05 | vt0r | The patch version is the part that matters |
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| 14:31.42 | themill | average: short is good. «For the testing distribution (jessie), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1g-1.» |
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| 14:33.38 | vt0r | Looks like the latest for wheezy is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 now. I think that's the same minor patch they did between 1.0.1g-1 and 1.0.1g-2 (seems like it was just the restart dialog that changed there). |
| 14:33.51 | average | ok, so this is about openssl. what about libssl ? |
| 14:33.52 | Zzeiss | Hmmm... a related question then. If I was going to install 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 by name, how would I say that? "apt-get install openssl-1.0.1e-2+deb7u5" ? Because that (as written) doesn't work. |
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| 14:33.58 | average | is libssl vunerable too ? |
| 14:34.16 | vt0r | average: libssl will update at the same time as openssl |
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| 14:34.38 | estrid | hello. |
| 14:35.03 | jelly | average: libssl1.0.0 is a binary package that gets built from openssl source. They're the same thing. |
| 14:35.04 | vt0r | (If openssl updated, libssl did as well - it's a dependency) |
| 14:35.07 | Zzeiss | Anyway, any ideas on why openssl won't update as in: http://paste.debian.net/92950/ |
| 14:35.19 | themill | average: both the dsa and dpkg covered that point too |
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| 14:35.35 | themill | Zzeiss: have a look at your output there |
| 14:35.37 | jelly | vt0r: that's unfortunately incorrect |
| 14:35.42 | petern_ | Zzeiss, because wheezy doesn't have 1.0.1f-1 |
| 14:35.49 | spyder | how to remove datafiles left by postgresql? |
| 14:35.57 | vt0r | jelly: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/openssl |
| 14:36.05 | petern_ | Zzeiss, you have an old version from jessie or somesuch |
| 14:36.06 | vt0r | It's most definitely correct. Please check facts |
| 14:36.21 | estrid | i'd like to block all incoming network traffic on my laptop when i'm connected to a wireless network that isn't on a short list of approved networks. what would be the best way of doing this? does iptables have any matching rules for the current essid, or can i configure network-manager to do it, or something else? |
| 14:36.22 | vt0r | Notice the line that says "dep: libssl1.0.0" |
| 14:36.29 | A|an | Forgive the stupidness, but...in a dual boot configuration, is each installation completely segregated, that is, one can't access the other, from a security standpoint? |
| 14:36.44 | petern_ | A|an, no |
| 14:36.51 | Arafangion | vt0r: So as long as that dependency is still satisfied, it *won't* be upgraded? |
| 14:36.58 | jelly | vt0r: that versioned dependency is NOT strict enough to ensure libssl1.0.0 gets upgraded |
| 14:36.59 | A|an | no, they |
| 14:37.06 | A|an | 're not segreated completely? |
| 14:37.07 | Zzeiss | Ah, OK. What would the package be then? |
| 14:37.09 | estrid | A|an: any of the systems can access all the available partitions. |
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| 14:37.27 | estrid | A|an: you'll need disk encryption if you want to prevent that. |
| 14:37.29 | A|an | that's what I thought...just wanted confirmation |
| 14:37.34 | themill | vt0r: you'll notice that 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 > 1.0.1 though. |
| 14:37.35 | vt0r | Ah you're right. I just noticed the >= 1.0.1 part |
| 14:37.37 | jelly | vt0r: it ought to be libssl1.0.0 (>=1.0.1e-2+deb7u5) and not just libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) |
| 14:38.03 | vt0r | Yeah it should definitely have a stricter version dep. |
| 14:38.25 | Zzeiss | petern_: because I'm getting "couldn't find any package..." for deb7e6. |
| 14:38.46 | vt0r | Zzeiss: Are you on stable or testing? |
| 14:38.51 | themill | Zzeiss: you don't have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
| 14:38.53 | Zzeiss | Stable wheezy. |
| 14:38.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Zzeiss about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:39.05 | vt0r | When did you install openssl from testing? |
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| 14:39.15 | themill | Zzeiss: that you've got other random packages that are newer than wheezy is a problem here... |
| 14:39.16 | estrid | A|an: if you want to have a system that is completely unavailable to your 'normal' system, consider running tails from a usb stick. |
| 14:39.18 | vt0r | 1.0.1f has never been available in stable that I'm aware of |
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| 14:40.51 | A|an | yes...i've gotten a new ssd, to migrate my installation to, and i was *briefly* considering setting up a dual boot configuration, since--and this my sound crazy--i intend to use it mostly as / |
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| 14:41.16 | Arafangion | A|an: Doesn't sound crazy at all, helps ensure a fast boot, at the very least. |
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| 14:41.37 | A|an | and that would leave a lot of extra space...it's a 120GB...and I was/am considering creating a small parition... |
| 14:41.40 | A|an | yes |
| 14:41.47 | petern_ | remember to put /tmp in ram, heh |
| 14:41.47 | A|an | but...120GB?! |
| 14:41.53 | A|an | that's a lot-ish |
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| 14:42.03 | A|an | it will be lightening fast, though |
| 14:42.08 | Arafangion | A|an: Difficult to get a laptop with less than that, these days. :) |
| 14:42.17 | Arafangion | A|an: Depends on the firmware. |
| 14:42.25 | Arafangion | (And apparently, it all depends on the firmware) |
| 14:42.28 | vt0r | Zzeiss: You have a few options to fix this, but the best bet is to downgrade openssl to the latest available stable. I have no idea how you managed to install the testing version in stable, but I assume you probably upgraded other things to do it. So if that breaks everything, you should get the latest testing version and at least upgrade it. |
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| 14:42.58 | vt0r | Makes sense to fix the broken state of apt though, so the stable downgrade option is preferred to ensure you get updates in the future |
| 14:43.02 | A|an | i'm piecemealing a completely new system...i have my eye on an asus z86 miniITX mobo |
| 14:43.23 | A|an | a few clicks back from the absolute latest...it's from last year |
| 14:43.30 | A|an | nicccceee board |
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| 14:44.19 | A|an | anyway, thanks |
| 14:44.53 | A|an | (that's Z87, btw) |
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| 14:45.27 | Frederick | guys where can i get the debian 7.2 iso cd? |
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| 14:46.18 | nkuttler | !tell Frederick about archive |
| 14:46.41 | themill | dpkg: tell Frederick about cd archive |
| 14:47.52 | Frederick | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.2.0/i386/iso-dvd/ has no content |
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| 14:49.32 | A|an | estrid: Is tails reliable? (never used it) |
| 14:49.48 | A|an | i mean...really stable |
| 14:49.58 | themill | Frederick: it's only the jigdo and hashes that are kept. BTW why do you specifically want 7.2? |
| 14:50.02 | estrid | A|an: probably as reliable as anything else. it's based on debian oldstable. |
| 14:50.08 | A|an | ah |
| 14:50.09 | A|an | great |
| 14:50.30 | Frederick | themill: I have a web application I need to install which is so broken that only runs prioperly on 7.2 |
| 14:50.53 | themill | Frederick: that's very very broken, given how little changes between 7.2 and the current wheezy |
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| 14:51.19 | themill | (which is, after all, security updates) |
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| 14:52.08 | Frederick | themill: welcome for the free software projects of the public sector |
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| 14:55.49 | Zzeiss | themill: updated my sources list as remcommended by the dpkg bot info, but it still doesn't give me a new SSL. (it did update my time zone info... so it did somehting!) |
| 14:56.15 | themill | Zzeiss: you still need to downgrade the packages you've picked up from somewhere else. |
| 14:56.19 | themill | dpkg: tell Zzeiss about not available |
| 14:56.26 | themill | Zzeiss: that output would be good to see |
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| 14:56.36 | themill | Frederick: no, that's bad even for that scenario.... |
| 14:57.06 | KaaK_ | I'm running through an apache2 access log, and seeing very obvious evidence of someone/some-script probing around for vulnerabilities. Any thoughts on combating this? |
| 14:57.16 | KaaK_ | The requests all originate from the same IP |
| 14:57.16 | Zzeiss | themill: it's about twenty pages. :-( |
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| 14:58.30 | petern_ | KaaK_, firewall it |
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| 14:59.23 | Brigo | KaaK_, try fail2band, or sshguard. |
| 14:59.25 | KaaK_ | petern_, firewall is pretty broad, could you point me in the direction of something a bit more specific? |
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| 14:59.53 | petern_ | fail2ban would be worth investigating. |
| 14:59.57 | Zzeiss | themill: it actually overflowed paste.debian.org. (> 150 Kbytes).... probably every package on the system. Then again, this sys. was updated from an early wheezy test release so there's probably a mess o' crap still floating around. |
| 15:00.00 | petern_ | but no, firewall is pretty specific |
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| 15:00.50 | KaaK_ | Brigo, thanks! |
| 15:01.03 | themill | Zzeiss: starting off as a pre-release wheezy shouldn't cause problems there |
| 15:01.11 | Brigo | KaaK_, np |
| 15:01.16 | themill | Zzeiss: have you run apt-get update after changing your sources.list |
| 15:02.30 | Zzeiss | I did/ |
| 15:02.37 | Zzeiss | themill: I did. |
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| 15:06.05 | petern_ | Heh, nice, Debian 3.0's on the archives :p |
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| 15:07.33 | wonko | wonko@debtest:~$ ping6 fe80::222:bdff:fe16:2942 |
| 15:07.33 | wonko | connect: Invalid argument |
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| 15:07.40 | wonko | uhm, huh? |
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| 15:09.03 | Zzeiss | themill: so any idea how to get this thing to update? |
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| 15:09.41 | themill | if you've got that many non-wheezy packages on your machine, then either reinstall or upgrade to jessie |
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| 15:11.56 | Zzeiss | themill: hmmm.... upgrade to jessie is sounding better and better. |
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| 15:18.44 | Brigo | spyder, did you remove it? |
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| 15:25.59 | DammitJim | I have an SSD and a regular HDD |
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| 15:26.22 | DammitJim | The regular HDD is the main hard drive (where the OS is) |
| 15:26.28 | DammitJim | I am going to put VMs on the SSD |
| 15:26.33 | melt7777 | brand new netinst of jessie with xorg, fluxbox, build-essential, and headers. can't compile video driver, getting the following screenshot, i think i'm missing a package... anyone? http://i.imgur.com/WAO9AfY.png |
| 15:26.39 | DammitJim | would it be faster if I had the main OS on the SSD or does that not matter? |
| 15:26.52 | melt7777 | DammitJim, i run my OS and VMs from the SSD its much faster |
| 15:27.08 | DammitJim | like an order magnitude faster than the OS on a regular HDD? |
| 15:28.10 | melt7777 | um yea of course, what else do you think SSD is for |
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| 15:29.15 | DammitJim | I would think it is faster for the host machine, but not for the VM |
| 15:29.24 | DammitJim | at least not an order magnitude faster |
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| 15:30.19 | petern_ | Maybe you should benchmark it. |
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| 15:30.24 | melt7777 | a guest accesses a disk same as a host, in fact, since it's just a loop file on a disk there's a performance difference tere, which is magnfied by the speed of the hard disk |
| 15:30.25 | litb | hello all |
| 15:30.31 | melt7777 | Yea let us know what u find out |
| 15:30.33 | litb | debian suddenly removed all my KDE packages |
| 15:30.43 | litb | if i try to reinstall them, it shouts "E: Package 'kdebase' has no installation candidate" |
| 15:30.45 | melt7777 | litb not the auto uninstall mystery |
| 15:30.48 | litb | what's wrong with this? |
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| 15:30.59 | melt7777 | litb check /etc/apt/sources.list , do apt-get update |
| 15:31.09 | litb | well what I did was "apt-get install openjdk-7-jre:i386 libgif4:i386 libgnome2-0:i386 libgnomevfs2-0:i386" |
| 15:31.22 | litb | because I wanted the 32bit binaries of java |
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| 15:31.44 | litb | but then it removed all my KDE binaries aswell (i should have looked more closely what it wanted to do!) |
| 15:31.54 | litb | and now I can't reinstall them.. what's wrong with this? |
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| 15:38.10 | SynrG | litb: remove the stuff that forced the removal of kde? |
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| 15:38.37 | SynrG | litb: kde-land has no multiarch support apparently |
| 15:38.40 | litb | SynrG, why does it remove KDE?` |
| 15:38.43 | SynrG | litb: so you're SOL if you need it |
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| 15:38.54 | SynrG | litb: decide which you want more: KDE or multiarch |
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| 15:39.30 | litb | Sycamore, can't i have both java32bit and java64bit ? |
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| 15:39.52 | SynrG | java 32 bit, java 64 bit, kde. pick two. |
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| 15:40.16 | SynrG | (actually depending on your architecture that may not strictly be true :) |
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| 15:40.42 | SynrG | litb: anyway, as for 'why', the short answer is 'because of conflicting packages' |
| 15:40.52 | litb | SynrG, i don't understand this. why can't all of three live together? |
| 15:41.15 | litb | if arbitrary two of the three could live together, then why can't three of them. |
| 15:41.20 | litb | i simply don't get it |
| 15:41.48 | SynrG | litb: prior to multiarch there was no way to put the versions of libraries needed by one architecture in a separate place. wheezy does not *100%* support multiarch ... each package needs to be modified to support it. |
| 15:42.03 | SynrG | litb: that's a *huge* job, only partially completed in wheezy (and not even fully realized in jessie) |
| 15:42.20 | litb | ohh |
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| 15:42.36 | litb | that'S sad. i need a program that is 32bit and uses java to be able to run on my 64bit machine |
| 15:42.45 | litb | so i thought i would simply install the 32bit java stuff |
| 15:42.51 | SynrG | litb: you may be able to do that. just not alongside kde, apparently :p |
| 15:43.00 | SynrG | you could potentially run it in a chroot |
| 15:43.11 | SynrG | or in a VM |
| 15:44.11 | qsuscs | when i install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth, bt is completely broken (e.g. hcitool dev does not show any device, though rfkill and lsusb clearly do) http://pastie.org/private/xskvtfx2lvth1487fzmmsa |
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| 15:51.45 | litb | SynrG, i searched the wheezy package database and "kdebase" certainly does not exist |
| 15:52.03 | litb | apt-get says "Package kdebase is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 15:52.08 | SynrG | it's virtual |
| 15:52.13 | SynrG | some package Provides: kdebase |
| 15:52.19 | SynrG | apt-cache showpkg kdebase |
| 15:52.57 | SynrG | huh, nothing Provides it anymore? |
| 15:53.07 | litb | SynrG, how can i see what packages it installed automatically when i installed the java32bit, so that i can now remove them? |
| 15:53.22 | litb | ah that's the output i see aswell |
| 15:53.44 | estrid | litb: if they were installed automatically they should be uninstalled by 'apt-get autoremove' once you've removed the packages that depended on them. |
| 15:53.53 | SynrG | litb: so, no big deal. they just split it. the package system knows about it because in prior releases it exists, and there are some packages with Conflitcs: or so |
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| 15:54.09 | SynrG | litb: why were you looking at kdebase anyway? |
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| 15:54.39 | SynrG | litb: as for 'what did i just do' (with apt, aptitude, dpkg) you can find stuff in /var/log |
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| 15:54.56 | litb | SynrG, i did have a kde installation before. then i tried to install some 32bit java app, and apt-get automatically removed most of my KDE packages |
| 15:55.18 | SynrG | /var/log/dpkg* /var/log/apt/* /var/log/aptitude/* i mean |
| 15:55.19 | litb | apparently because they seem to refer to some non-existing virtual package "kdebase" (?) |
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| 15:55.41 | SynrG | litb: well, we would need to see the actual log |
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| 15:58.20 | litb | SynrG, OK i got it to work.. for some reason "kdebase" was in the command line list of packages to reinstall (i guess i copy pasted it from the removed packages list) |
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| 15:58.32 | litb | i removed it.. now it accepts to reinstall them |
| 15:58.37 | ksk | hey. my debian package always contained some files installed via the "install" file. i would like to remove some of these files now in a newer package version. is there a builtin mechanism or will i have to use scripting? |
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| 15:59.29 | SynrG | litb: ah. strange. maybe some transitional package you never removed that was in a prior release? |
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| 15:59.52 | SynrG | litb: if so, that was *supposed* to be removed :) |
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| 16:00.16 | SynrG | ,v kdebase |
| 16:00.17 | judd | Package: kdebase on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 16:00.20 | litb | SynrG, yeah, i used squeeze before on the system |
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| 16:01.07 | litb | looks like an arch user surprised by the automatic "abilities" of apt-get |
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| 16:01.38 | SynrG | litb: if that was still really there, maybe there's something still wrong? let's see your 'apt-cache policy' output at paste.debian.net please |
| 16:01.48 | litb | good that this is not my private machine.. not sure what crap I did to my system now :D |
| 16:02.11 | SynrG | sounds like either a) didn't update the box in a looong time or b) crappy pinning |
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| 16:02.25 | litb | SynrG, i haven't updated for something like a year |
| 16:02.59 | SynrG | well, still. the squeeze package isn't a transitional package, and there is no transitional package in wheezy ... |
| 16:03.05 | litb | SynrG, i need to wait until it gives me konsole back :p |
| 16:03.13 | SynrG | i would've thought the initial install of kde on wheezy would get rid of it |
| 16:03.25 | litb | ah i see. weird |
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| 16:05.15 | melt7777 | can i install the fglrx from wheezy-backports on jessie and expect it might work? :) |
| 16:05.38 | SynrG | as much as you can expect any package in backports to work. sure. |
| 16:05.44 | melt7777 | hehe |
| 16:05.46 | SynrG | or else there's really no point in putting it there ... |
| 16:05.48 | melt7777 | it works on wheezy |
| 16:05.56 | SynrG | ah. 'on jessie' |
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| 16:06.25 | SynrG | generally mixing releases is not advisable but for isolated cases it might be possible. what are you trying to solve? |
| 16:06.41 | melt7777 | well i am unable to compile my own [patched] driver on jessie as i get the following screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/WAO9AfY.png I believe I am just missing a package or libarary. |
| 16:06.53 | SynrG | i mean, in the case of a jessie system, where the latest and greatest fails, you might sometimes need to fall back to an earlier version to get working again |
| 16:07.02 | melt7777 | this is when running the amd-install.pl --arguments --buildpkg Debian/testing |
| 16:07.04 | SynrG | it's not a great *long-term* situation to be in |
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| 16:07.17 | SynrG | but as a short-term thing that may or may not work, why not? |
| 16:07.23 | melt7777 | synrg we need the capabilities in the newer release... |
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| 16:07.49 | SynrG | the minute you mentioned fglrx, however, i started losing interest :p |
| 16:07.56 | melt7777 | to solve issues that we're having in the wheezy release |
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| 16:08.16 | melt7777 | why pray tell, would that indicate something that you dislike? :) |
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| 16:08.56 | SynrG | non-free. my only radeon system works fine on the free driver ... finding it hard to care :) |
| 16:09.07 | melt7777 | ahh yes |
| 16:09.08 | SynrG | (mind you, with non-free firmware. but is 'more free' anyway) |
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| 16:09.40 | melt7777 | i still haven't figured out why people care about that |
| 16:10.00 | SynrG | because we absolutely cannot support stuff we're not allowed to change? |
| 16:10.06 | SynrG | every problem has to be punted back upstream |
| 16:10.11 | SynrG | this is a shitty thing to do to users |
| 16:10.13 | melt7777 | ahhh ok |
| 16:10.16 | SynrG | and not something i want to suffer. |
| 16:10.42 | GuestO1102 | Hey fellas, is anyone familiar with eclipse?? is it possible to use openjdk7 to run it? |
| 16:10.49 | melt7777 | i thought it was just licensing, i didnt consider the changing part |
| 16:11.06 | SynrG | yup. read our social contract. it's not about licenses ... it's about freedom :) |
| 16:11.20 | SynrG | http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 16:12.00 | SynrG | ok. gotta get stuff done. i'm out |
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| 16:12.31 | melt7777 | nice. thx syn |
| 16:12.32 | kazu | Can you open ext4-formatted USB drives in Windows XP? |
| 16:12.51 | melt7777 | lol XP time to upgrade man |
| 16:13.13 | kazu | dude, i got a fuckin' presentation at this shitty conference tomorrow |
| 16:13.16 | kazu | they use XP to display |
| 16:13.20 | kazu | so i gotta know |
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| 16:13.33 | melt7777 | Nope |
| 16:14.13 | GuestO1102 | wtf r u about xp |
| 16:14.40 | SynrG | kazu: possibly? each fs type is a superset of the previous one. i think you can mount ext4 as ext2 ... |
| 16:14.58 | SynrG | kazu: i wouldn't trust any data to it except mounted read-only (and that may be all there is out there anyway) |
| 16:15.28 | kazu | SynrG: the real question I am trying to ask is; can you open USB drives that are formatted as ext4 on Windows XP? |
| 16:15.29 | GuestO1102 | has anyone eclipse in here running? |
| 16:15.35 | SynrG | kazu: not natively, of course. but i fuzzily recall there is some windows ext2 implementation. |
| 16:15.38 | kazu | and if theres a need for a driver, will windows automatically download? |
| 16:15.47 | SynrG | i doubt if it would automatically download |
| 16:16.01 | kazu | well I'll check it out, thanks synrg |
| 16:16.04 | mtn | kazu: why not ask on a windows channel? |
| 16:16.09 | GuestO1102 | SynrG: man its a question u can easily google |
| 16:16.16 | kazu | im asking on #windows, mtn |
| 16:16.21 | kazu | they didn't help |
| 16:16.29 | GuestO1102 | google |
| 16:16.32 | mtn | looks around, nope not windows here |
| 16:16.36 | SynrG | kazu: i can't vouch for this: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
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| 16:16.47 | SynrG | if it destroys your data or burns down your house, don't blame me |
| 16:16.54 | diamonds | wondering why this: http://hastebin.com/raw/sapesuluvi doesn't have npm bundled |
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| 16:17.13 | SynrG | kazu: and yes, just google for it. that's what i did :p |
| 16:17.13 | diamonds | has been bundled since v.6 or something |
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| 16:17.52 | SynrG | diamonds: accident of timing? nodejs support when wheezy first released was immature |
| 16:18.10 | SynrG | so only nodejs itself had been packaged. jessie has npm |
| 16:18.13 | SynrG | ,v npm |
| 16:18.14 | judd | Package: npm on i386 -- jessie: 1.4.4+ds-1; sid: 1.4.4+ds-1 |
| 16:18.32 | diamonds | ty SynrG |
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| 16:18.52 | SynrG | and now i'm really out :) |
| 16:19.02 | SynrG | (am a sucker for desperate cases apparently :) |
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| 16:34.26 | galex-713 | How can I cut a piece of video with avconv? |
| 16:34.35 | galex-713 | Cut in the sense of removing |
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| 16:36.13 | nell | http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ |
| 16:36.47 | nell | This is worrying me, is there a recommended guide to hardening my OS? |
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| 16:38.45 | jelly | nell: that blog isn't very credible |
| 16:38.48 | mtn | nell: you should be fine if you don't connect to the internet ;) |
| 16:39.01 | SynrG | if we could harness the power of FUD, the world's energy problems would be solved forever |
| 16:39.18 | nell | jelly i'm watching the Q&A from the conference |
| 16:39.23 | nell | it was just published a few days ago |
| 16:39.38 | comradekingu | The power of FUD compells you |
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| 16:42.03 | DrFoo | I've noticed that debian has released several minor versions, now upto 7.4.... are those installed with updates, or with a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:42.21 | GuestO1102 | f java its totally nuts |
| 16:42.28 | GuestO1102 | imo |
| 16:43.37 | gswain_ | im sure this has been covered lots over the last 2 days but will we be getting a patched openssl in 7.4? |
| 16:43.52 | SynrG | topic |
| 16:43.54 | jelly | gswain_: did you read the topic |
| 16:44.26 | gswain_ | its gibberish |
| 16:44.45 | SynrG | do what it says: |
| 16:44.51 | jelly | DrFoo: yes, you get point releases automatically with dist-upgrade |
| 16:45.05 | SynrG | /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
| 16:45.46 | gswain_ | I did what it says ^^ |
| 16:45.54 | gswain_ | just says you guys backport |
| 16:45.55 | SynrG | and? |
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| 16:47.43 | SynrG | gswain_: did you read the DSA, link included in that factoid? |
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| 16:47.53 | SynrG | it directly answers |
| 16:47.57 | gswain_ | bah ok i get it now |
| 16:48.12 | gswain_ | looks like im at 7u6 and its patched |
| 16:48.28 | SynrG | best to take that stuff from an authoritative source, not irc :-) |
| 16:48.34 | SynrG | yup |
| 16:49.01 | gswain_ | installed today network install so of course i didnt see anything in an apt-get update for it ;p |
| 16:49.06 | gswain_ | no I get ya |
| 16:49.10 | gswain_ | thanks for the help |
| 16:49.13 | SynrG | np |
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| 16:58.03 | nikit | hello, i got debian 7.4 and write to usb, and boot it but when i enter on graphic install or install didnt work, what should i do? |
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| 16:58.24 | ksk | hey again.. i removed some files and dirs from a debian package (by removing them from install file) - dpkg does not seem to care to remove these files but tries to remove the directories which results in "not empty" error message - am i doing it wrong? |
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| 16:58.41 | Aeiri | nikit: any errors? |
| 16:58.56 | ksk | nikit: afaik there are some safe modes, maybe try them. |
| 16:59.27 | wols | nikit: which "debian 7.4" did you get? |
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| 16:59.48 | nikit | sry, minus pm |
| 17:00.06 | nikit | see i got debian 7.4 then i write it on usb boot |
| 17:00.17 | somiaj | nikit: how did you write this to the usb? |
| 17:00.18 | wols | which "debian 7.4" did you get exactly? |
| 17:00.33 | nikit | after boot my usb, debian is commin up and i press on install but just refresh it and didnt work |
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| 17:00.43 | nikit | with YUMI |
| 17:01.00 | somiaj | ksk: what do you mean by removing files from a debian package, did you recompile a debian package with less files in it? |
| 17:01.02 | wols | nikit: so yoiu chose a debian live cd? |
| 17:01.16 | somiaj | nikit: YUMI sounds like some program that will not work |
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| 17:01.32 | nikit | somiaj: so what should i do? |
| 17:01.43 | somiaj | nikit: the debian .iso images are hybrid and designed to be bootable. Lots of software likes to add bootable info to it, you need to use a direct data copy to the usb stick |
| 17:01.46 | somiaj | nikit: is this in widnwos? |
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| 17:01.52 | nikit | debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 17:02.13 | wols | nikit: that cannot work. YUMI only works for debian live CDs |
| 17:02.26 | somiaj | !tell nikit about usb install |
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| 17:02.48 | somiaj | nikit: read that factoid it suggests using a small program win32imagewritter or somethign like that which will write the image correctly |
| 17:02.51 | ksk | somiaj: i want to remove files that were provided in an earlier version of that package ( so i removed them and bumped the version) |
| 17:03.11 | somiaj | nikit: http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 17:03.15 | wols | ksk: you simply install the new package version. the files will automatically be removed |
| 17:03.23 | nikit | somiaj: very thank you |
| 17:03.37 | wols | nikit: win32diskimager will destroy all other data on your usb stick |
| 17:03.46 | somiaj | ksk: dpkg takes care of that, you shouldn't manually remove any files (except config files) that debian packages put on your system |
| 17:04.06 | wols | not even config files. you should use purge with apt/dpkg instead |
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| 17:04.30 | somiaj | ksk: the 'directory not empty' message is just a common warning because multiple packages could put files in a directory or even the user iteslf could put extra stuff there and dpkg will not delete data it dit not put there. |
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| 17:05.07 | ksk | somiaj: wols. yes but the package put them files there (and does not longer in the recent version) so im wondering why it does not remove them |
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| 17:05.30 | jaggz | okay.. what's the debian-proper way to address the Heartbleed OpenSSL bug? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed_bug |
| 17:05.38 | somiaj | wols: I was more thinking in terms of if you had a config file (maybe a config snippit you didn't need) and removed it for the config (not for purging the configs). |
| 17:05.51 | petern_ | jaggz, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:05.57 | somiaj | jaggz: if you run stable, upgrade your system. Security is taking care of you |
| 17:06.00 | petern_ | See /topic. |
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| 17:06.01 | ksk | somiaj: thats exactly what im doing / want to do |
| 17:06.14 | ksk | removing some now not longer need configfiles in a subdirectory |
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| 17:06.50 | jaggz | I'm at 7.1 |
| 17:06.55 | somiaj | jaggz: if you run jessie/sid, this fix was pushed though into their repos fairly quickly, but don't expect security in those version s of debian |
| 17:07.11 | somiaj | jaggz: well you should add security repos to your sources.list and upgrade fully to 7.4 + current security fixes. |
| 17:07.29 | DrFoo | jelly: Do i get point upgrades with just regular updates? |
| 17:07.41 | somiaj | DrFoo: yes, that is all a point release is |
| 17:07.53 | jaggz | I do have security.debian.org wheezy/updates main in my sources |
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| 17:08.10 | somiaj | DrFoo: everyting form security and wheezy-updates (maybe some extra stuff) |
| 17:08.22 | jelly | DrFoo: since a dist-upgrade is what your regular updates probably ought to run, then yes |
| 17:08.34 | somiaj | DrFoo: so if you regurally upgrade with those two repos you probabaly have very little that comes in with the poitn release |
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| 17:08.46 | somiaj | jaggz: then just upgrade your system it will have the security fixes |
| 17:09.07 | petern_ | And all the other security fixes you missed by not having the security repo in there. |
| 17:09.12 | DrFoo | So squeeze only went to 6.0.9 and wheezy is at 7.4 already? |
| 17:09.13 | petern_ | Oh you do. |
| 17:09.15 | jaggz | how can I see a release date on a package? |
| 17:09.21 | petern_ | Well, you need to update && upgrade |
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| 17:10.23 | jelly | DrFoo: the numbering changed, that third number in squeeze was equivalent to the second number in wheezy |
| 17:10.30 | petn-randall | jaggz: Every package, once installed has a changelog in /usr/share/doc/<name_of_package>/changelog.Debian(.gz) where you can check the creation date. |
| 17:11.15 | jaggz | thanks a lot |
| 17:12.13 | somiaj | ksk: are these config files that got changed? But for normal files a normal upgrade will remove the uneeded files that are no longer in the next package. If this isn't happening sounds like you confused dpkg with your mangining of files. |
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| 17:12.59 | jaggz | I need to subscribe to an alerts mailing list to draw my attention to these things |
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| 17:14.10 | somiaj | jaggz: there are also tools that can do unatended upgrades. For a stable system this is fine and I think to some a standard pratice. |
| 17:14.16 | DrFoo | Grub got wiped out on my system. Is grub-install normally installed on debian? I can't find it when I mount via live cd |
| 17:14.21 | somiaj | i.e. upgrade your system everynight |
| 17:14.42 | somiaj | DrFoo: did you chroot into your install with everyting mounted correctly? |
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| 17:14.55 | jaggz | my upgrades kill my config files.. I have to manually reconfigure things all the time |
| 17:15.04 | DrFoo | jomiaj: yes, and I used bind with sys, dev, and proc |
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| 17:15.06 | jaggz | I wish there were a good solution for that (is there?) |
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| 17:15.16 | DrFoo | somiaj ^^ |
| 17:15.20 | somiaj | DrFoo: it is part of the grub2-common package, you do have that installed (it should be) |
| 17:15.29 | stew | jaggz: file bugs, any package that overwrites your config files, is RC buggy |
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| 17:15.51 | Some_Person | How do I stop 'cp' when it's in progress? Ctrl-C didn't do anything |
| 17:16.23 | centrx | Press it again |
| 17:16.26 | somiaj | jaggz: that should not happen, debconf keeps track of when users modify config files and won't change them. (at least within a stable release). I do see sometimes in a dist-upgrade from one release to another it will put the new one there if asked and make the old on a .old config file |
| 17:16.33 | Some_Person | I've pressed it numerous times |
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| 17:16.55 | somiaj | Some_Person: you could try to kill the process from another terminal by it's pid |
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| 17:17.12 | Some_Person | 'killall cp' didn't work |
| 17:17.19 | DrFoo | I think the files got wiped out. Someone told me to follow a web site... it may have destroyed everything. So I wanted to use my deb 6 install dvd to basically chroot into it and apt-get reinstall grub2-common |
| 17:17.27 | somiaj | Some_Person: look up the actuall process id with something like 'ps fax' |
| 17:17.30 | DrFoo | Will that work even though it's deb 7? |
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| 17:17.34 | DrFoo | somiaj ^^ |
| 17:17.59 | jaggz | well, I do have to manually fix them.. it lets me know. Perhaps it's only happened on dist-upgrades. If I notice it on anything other than dist-upgrade I should file a report? |
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| 17:18.34 | Some_Person | 'kill 8852' didn't work either (got the id from 'ps fax') |
| 17:18.43 | somiaj | DrFoo: there is very little differecen between 7.0 and 7.4 (cept for fixes), so yea once you have chrooted intot he system and have internet connenction on it, just run thigns normall, apt-get install whatever |
| 17:18.57 | somiaj | Some_Person: kill -9 8852 -- again if that doesn't work, it is stuck in a defunct state. |
| 17:19.10 | DrFoo | somiaj: my concern is the rescue disk is deb 6 and my install is deb 7 |
| 17:19.11 | somiaj | also maek sure you have the right permissions to kill this file (i.e. are the owner or do it as root) |
| 17:19.16 | Some_Person | somiaj: Thanks, that worked |
| 17:19.45 | somiaj | DrFoo: that should be fine, once you chroot into the system you are completely with in the deb 7 enviorment. The only issue is if you need some kernel feature the older deb6 kernel doesn't have. |
| 17:19.53 | somiaj | DrFoo: I cannot think of anything in this case, so it should work. |
| 17:20.02 | jaggz | man.. my webserver keys were also compromised?? |
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| 17:20.14 | jaggz | vulnerable, I mean |
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| 17:20.16 | somiaj | jaggz: that is the only safe assumption. |
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| 17:20.25 | somiaj | jaggz: until you get the fix installed, yes |
| 17:21.05 | jaggz | man.. they could have installed all sorts of backdoor stuff in my system.. is there a tool which looks at installed files and compares checksums? |
| 17:21.24 | jaggz | with what "should be" from the packages (through the web, not local copies of the packages) |
| 17:22.30 | somiaj | jaggz: debsum will check the md5sums of everyting installed by dpkg |
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| 17:22.43 | somiaj | jaggz: there are also various tools for looking for rootkits and the like |
| 17:23.10 | somiaj | jaggz: but if you feel you have been comprimised a reinstall is the only real way to be forsure. But those tools I mentioned do check most things |
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| 17:24.00 | somiaj | jaggz: sorry package name is 'debsums' |
| 17:24.43 | somiaj | though I guess that compares against your local md5sum cache, someone could have modified that. |
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| 17:31.13 | jaggz | is ssh vulnerable too? http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/ won't test my server port (says it's not a TLS handshake) |
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| 17:31.35 | wols | correct |
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| 17:32.04 | jaggz | badly phrased question on my part. correct that ssh is not TLS? |
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| 17:36.08 | wols | hearbeat is only an extension for TLS, SSH doesn't do TLS |
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| 17:36.18 | SynrG | jaggz: correct that it is not vulnerable, due to not being TLS, and therefore having no heartbeat. |
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| 17:36.55 | SynrG | jaggz: /win 16 |
| 17:37.03 | SynrG | bah, typo. sorry |
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| 17:38.03 | petn-randall | spots another irssi user. |
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| 17:38.33 | RoyK | has a bad hearbeat and can't hear what wols is saying ;) |
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| 17:40.06 | jaggz | I wonder if talktatone (some service that does google voice on the ipad) is safe.. they say "RECORDING" when on the phone |
| 17:40.08 | wols | better than having a bleeding heart RoyK |
| 17:41.07 | RoyK | wols: yeah ;) |
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| 17:45.06 | jaggz | if I enter a password for my SSL key (during the CSR generation), I'll need to enter it each time my server comes up huh? |
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| 17:47.12 | SM0TVI | Question: Does anyone have recommendations for software, preferrably with a GUI, which can be used to roll your own .deb's? |
| 17:47.46 | galex-713 | Hello, how can I remove a part of a video with avconv? |
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| 17:48.42 | kruug | How can I tell if I'm using `system-config-firewall`? |
| 17:48.45 | average | SM0TVI: I don't know how to answer your question. But the thing that comes closest(that I know of) is called fpm https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
| 17:49.10 | SM0TVI | average: Checking it out... |
| 17:49.15 | jaggz | galex-713: sorry, i mostly only use ffmpeg, and I have to read its manpage each time .. to remove PART I'd have to extract the first part and the later part and join them, as far as I know. |
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| 17:49.33 | galex-713 | jaggz: argh… |
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| 17:49.55 | wols | ,v system-config-firewall |
| 17:49.56 | judd | No package named 'system-config-firewall' was found in i386. |
| 17:50.07 | wols | kruug: if that is a package, you can't use it since it doesn't exist |
| 17:50.30 | jaggz | you can probably do it in one stream though.. (cmd for-first-part; cmd for-last-part) | cmd to-assemble |
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| 17:52.08 | hans_henrik | i wanna complain about nginx debian repo, not sure if i should do it here or #nginx |
| 17:52.13 | average | SM0TVI: fpm is not GUI btw, but it simplifies things a lot. However, my personal preference is to follow the Debian Maintainer's Guide and make packages as described there. |
| 17:52.25 | average | SM0TVI: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.pdf https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 17:52.49 | hans_henrik | whatever idiot is making the -stable debian packages for nginx.org repo, should check his confs... on the latest stable, it completely ignores sites-enabled, and only load conf.d/*.conf , which contains a default.conf , which is a copy of sites-enabled/default x.x |
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| 17:54.04 | average | hans_henrik: open a bug, send a patch .. you know how these things go, right ? |
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| 17:56.09 | SynrG | SM0TVI: the author baldly states "I have no interest in Debian policy and RedHat packaging guidelines - I have interest in my group's own style culture and have a very strong interest in getting work done." This is unfortunate since the bulk of policy is there to ensure debian packages 'just work' |
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| 17:57.02 | SynrG | SM0TVI: to be sure, there are a few 'debian-specific' concerns, but in the end, just tossing out the whole policy document on the basis of being interested in getting work done shows extraordinary contempt for the quality Debian tries to ensure in their packages. |
| 17:57.32 | SynrG | SM0TVI: if you want shitty packages that blow up your system in the middle of a crisis, feel free to ignore any or all of policy when you build them :) |
| 17:57.56 | SynrG | average: ^^ and since you suggested it |
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| 17:58.43 | average | SynrG: he asked for a GUI. My preference and personal recommendation is that he build packages as described in Debian Maintainer's Guide. I do not support fpm. But it was the closest to what he asked for afaik. |
| 17:59.15 | SM0TVI | SynrG: I will immerse myself in the manuals - basically what I want to do is to roll a set of .debs for software packages for local network use. |
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| 18:03.05 | SynrG | SM0TVI: if you value 'what does everyone else do' at all, i don't know anyone who uses a GUI |
| 18:03.47 | SM0TVI | SynrG: And I suspect I can automate the process to level of some script on my own. |
| 18:03.50 | SynrG | SM0TVI: that has a bearing on the kind of support you can get for the tools you choose |
| 18:03.53 | SM0TVI | to a level* |
| 18:04.06 | SynrG | probably commandline tools will serve you better |
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| 18:04.32 | SM0TVI | SynrG: These are not hard packages with lots of dependencies. |
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| 18:04.38 | SynrG | SM0TVI: i'm not damning fpm. i was just taken aback a bit by their attitude. |
| 18:04.56 | SynrG | didn't speak well for their understanding of debian and for me, cast some doubt as to the quality of the tools |
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| 18:05.25 | SynrG | but, ... try it and see :) maybe it's all that and a slice of bread |
| 18:05.48 | SynrG | ultimately, what makes good packages is not good tools so much as intelligent maintainers. |
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| 18:06.42 | average | SynrG is right |
| 18:06.55 | SynrG | SM0TVI: 'a lot of deps' is not what makes packages hard. 'lack of conformance to standard build toolchains or improper use of the same' probably is |
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| 18:07.32 | A|an | Does anyone have an opinion about setting up a new installation using the logical volume manager? More to the point: has anyone encountered any severe regrets by doing so? |
| 18:07.35 | SynrG | along with 'less than sane upstream release process', and so on |
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| 18:08.18 | average | A|an: maybe play a lot with LVM in a VM and when you feel confident, use it ? no idea, I don't use it atm |
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| 18:09.48 | A|an | i keep coming across mention of it, about setting up a new drive for installation and i'm curious if it's stable...if it works really well, it would be the way to go |
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| 18:10.00 | somiaj | A|an: I see it as a choice of what you like. LVM has it's advantages, but if you don't need any of them it is an additional layer between you and your data. |
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| 18:10.30 | A|an | well, for instance, on my current harddrive, i've fun out of room (somehow!) on / |
| 18:10.37 | somiaj | it is stable and it works well (many do use it on large production machines), my personal opinion (though don't take it for much) is dont' use it unless you need its additional features. |
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| 18:10.40 | A|an | and i think i assigned something like 20GB for it |
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| 18:11.02 | A|an | fun=run |
| 18:11.05 | somiaj | A|an: do you just have lots of old .deb files floating around, look at 'du -h /var/cache/apt/archives' |
| 18:11.20 | A|an | i got rid of them already |
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| 18:11.33 | somiaj | and yes begin able to easiely resize partitions is one of the features of LVM you may want to use |
| 18:11.40 | A|an | (i really don't get it, but i do have lots of software installed) |
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| 18:12.15 | A|an | somiaj: yes, i could "slide" the size up right now; i have plenty of disc space availalbe otherwise |
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| 18:13.11 | A|an | somiaj: and i *did* have a surprising amount of old deb files in archives |
| 18:13.25 | somiaj | A|an: well you can try to find where the data is being used, if it is in /usr then yes it is just data from packages, 'du -h /usr' |
| 18:13.28 | A|an | i think it was, like, 2.5 gigs |
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| 18:14.28 | somiaj | A|an: these are suggestions for your current system, but if you are wanting to switch to LVM to avoid this issue in the future, it is a useful tool. Note you should do as suggested, play with it in a vm, learn how it works and get use to the extra layer you have to use to get to your data (this will be important if you have to recover your system for some reason) |
| 18:14.33 | kruug | I created a new user with the command `adduser --system --disabled-login username`. How do I run a program as that user? |
| 18:15.09 | somiaj | kruug: various ways, just because you disabled logon you can still su that user as root, and then use that to run programs as that user |
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| 18:15.40 | kruug | somiaj: when I do `su - username`, it never switches to that user |
| 18:15.42 | A|an | somiaj: yes, possible need to recover is what spooks me; exactly how easy is that accomplished |
| 18:15.45 | kruug | I'm currently as root |
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| 18:16.30 | somiaj | kruug: try 'su username' |
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| 18:16.41 | kruug | somiaj: nothing |
| 18:16.43 | somiaj | kruug: of if you just want to run a program as that user name, try 'su -c "command"' username |
| 18:17.05 | stakewinner00 | What about "http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/" ? Is true? |
| 18:17.09 | kruug | nothing |
| 18:17.15 | somiaj | A|an: I have chosen not to use lvm as I am not in a place I want it's additional features. But really just requires having the lvm info backedup |
| 18:17.18 | A|an | du -h /usr -> 9.4G |
| 18:17.26 | A|an | THAT'S a bunch |
| 18:17.43 | somiaj | A|an: but it isn't 20Gig, so you have 10G being used elsewhere, try to track it down, what about 'du -h /var' |
| 18:17.43 | A|an | no wonder |
| 18:17.57 | A|an | it could be that i assigned 15 |
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| 18:18.19 | A|an | which makes sense explaining what's happening |
| 18:18.27 | A|an | 15G should be plenty |
| 18:18.40 | A|an | but it's not (for me, evidently) |
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| 18:19.02 | somiaj | A|an: again depends on ussage, but I would try to track down where that data is being used |
| 18:19.11 | A|an | i bought a 120G Crucial M500 SSD |
| 18:19.21 | A|an | intend to use it to install / on |
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| 18:19.38 | k1k3 | stakewinner00: kaker |
| 18:19.52 | A|an | that's what i'll do |
| 18:20.13 | A|an | does it seem unusual to you, using that much space? |
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| 18:21.05 | somiaj | kruug: ahh here it is in the man page, '--disabled-login option, the account will be created but disabled until a password is set' I don't think that is what you wanted. (: |
| 18:21.15 | stakewinner00 | k1k3: LOL, shut up. |
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| 18:21.38 | k1k3 | whats up stakewinner00 |
| 18:21.40 | k1k3 | xD |
| 18:22.08 | somiaj | A|an: depends on what you want to do with the system and ify ou have other paritions. |
| 18:22.40 | somiaj | A|an: but it looks like you need about 15gigs for the software on your system (this includes log files, place for packages to down load (provided you apt-get clean regurally) and the likes |
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| 18:23.05 | somiaj | A|an: then after that you need user data, and maybe data for any other thigns you might run (like webpage data, mail, etc) |
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| 18:23.51 | A|an | i only have / and /home |
| 18:23.52 | somiaj | A|an: on my ssd I did 30Gig for / and put the reston at /home cause it is a desktop I don't need data elsewhere on my system. Other designs put stuff in /var or /opt, etc |
| 18:24.08 | somiaj | A|an: and i use way less software than you, only 5gigs on my root partion at the moment |
| 18:24.42 | A|an | yes, well, if i come across something interesting (enough) i'll install it |
| 18:24.57 | A|an | i don't play games, either |
| 18:25.20 | somiaj | as for LVM it could be a fun learning experience, and give you more freedom to change things if you need to, just read up on it first |
| 18:25.32 | A|an | so, on my SSD, would you recommend / and either /var or /opt, as the other parition? |
| 18:25.38 | somiaj | A|an: I install all my games and user software in /home (my big partition) |
| 18:25.38 | kruug | hmmm... somiaj I did `passwd user` and set a password, but I still can't `su - user` |
| 18:26.27 | kruug | but, I got it working with sudo! |
| 18:26.55 | A|an | or maybe /usr |
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| 18:27.19 | somiaj | A|an: depends on your setup |
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| 18:27.36 | A|an | yes, well, i'll figure it out...thanks a lot |
| 18:27.40 | somiaj | A|an: what you use the system for and how you want to orginze your data. /var is usally wher eserver data goes, logs, webpages, mail, etc |
| 18:27.51 | somiaj | A|an: /usr is where your programs should be isntalled |
| 18:28.10 | somiaj | A|an: some software uses /opt as a place to put stuff that is not from your distribution |
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| 18:28.47 | somiaj | kruug: I see what is going on, look at /etc/passwd, when you set up the user it gave the shell /bin/false (which just terminates and logs out), maybe you wanted /usr/sbin/nologin instead |
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| 18:29.17 | somiaj | kruug: that is what most my non longin users seem to use, (though some do use /bin/false) |
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| 18:29.58 | kruug | thanks for the assistance somiaj! |
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| 18:31.25 | somiaj | A|an: for a home desktop/latop system I just suggest two partitions / and /home, and think the more advance setups of partitioning everyting is better used in a server enviorment or more advanced/specialized setups. |
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| 18:35.25 | A|an | somiaj: i might do 40G for / and 80G for /home...then I have two 2TB hard drives as additional storage, too. |
| 18:35.44 | A|an | (one my formal installation disc) |
| 18:35.52 | A|an | former |
| 18:36.34 | A|an | that's what i'll do, in fact |
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| 18:37.49 | A|an | (actually, one it 2TB, the other 1TB) |
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| 18:38.09 | A|an | anyway, thanks for the help/insight |
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| 18:43.49 | isco | Hi |
| 18:43.57 | isco | 5on5 sv off? Spanish |
| 18:44.08 | isco | cs go |
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| 18:44.31 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:44.31 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 18:44.49 | isco | This channel is for CS GO? |
| 18:46.03 | Brigo | isco, no, is liux |
| 18:47.01 | isco | You know what it is the channel of CS GO, brother? |
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| 18:47.14 | hans_henrik | chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www; chmod -R 770 /var/www; sudo -u www-data ls /var/www |
| 18:47.15 | hans_henrik | ls: cannot open directory /var/www: Permission denied |
| 18:47.23 | centrx | isco, What is CS GO? |
| 18:47.49 | tengri | centrx: i think its the newest cs game |
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| 18:47.57 | isco | counter srike; global offensive |
| 18:48.11 | isco | It's for search matchmaking |
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| 18:48.26 | stew | hans_henrik: check the permissions of /var and / ; but why would you want to have www-data own any files? |
| 18:48.26 | centrx | isco, Like a dating site? |
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| 18:49.09 | isco | Not hahaha, it's a game of PC |
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| 18:49.40 | tengri | isco: i dont think there is a irc channel for that game on freenode, you may be better off checking places like quakenet |
| 18:49.40 | hans_henrik | stew, www-data user is for nginx. i need nginx to have read access to /var/www .. and i wouldn't mind if it had write access either |
| 18:50.14 | stew | hans_henrik: yes, www-data is generally created so that it WON'T have write access to the stuff it is serving |
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| 18:50.48 | somiaj | hans_henrik: it probabaly shouldn't ahve write access except in very special directories (usually image/file upload directories for special webpages) |
| 18:51.34 | somiaj | now if you want to restrict read access to everyone (that is usually the default for /var/www) you can give teh group www-data read access and then put all those files into the group www-data |
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| 18:57.53 | A|an | Just reading through the "Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA" article...interesting. Recommends building your own kernel for "and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)." God! Shoot me! |
| 18:58.53 | A|an | I used to attempt that, when I first started playing with linux, building my own kernel....it's thorny (for me, anyway) |
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| 18:59.43 | Brigo | A|an, https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/454261872704094208 |
| 18:59.44 | A|an | (well, i'd get it done, and then, there you are, with everything else to attach...god!) |
| 19:00.03 | hans_henrik | somiaj, ................ |
| 19:00.03 | hans_henrik | . |
| 19:00.07 | hans_henrik | ............................................................................................................. |
| 19:00.12 | hans_henrik | wrong person |
| 19:00.42 | hans_henrik | can he prove that NSA did anything with the binary release of the debians kernels? |
| 19:00.45 | Brigo | start with a compiled one, like debian one's and make your customization. It will be easier |
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| 19:02.36 | A|an | he, or rather "he", does have a point about screwing up the memory space for private keys |
| 19:02.43 | A|an | kinda...bizarre |
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| 19:03.14 | A|an | makes one wonder |
| 19:04.11 | A|an | did any one listen to the video? |
| 19:04.31 | A|an | i dl'd it, but haven't listened, yet |
| 19:04.42 | Brigo | not me, not really interested. |
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| 19:05.14 | A|an | well, i am; it's good to try to stay ahead of the curve |
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| 19:07.58 | A|an | brigo: "It will be easier" oh, yeah...i remember when you only had xterm, and to correct a mistype, you had to delete the entry to the mistake point and retype...THAT only was enough to drive you wild! |
| 19:08.10 | A|an | only=alone |
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| 19:08.20 | tremon | ahead of what curve would that be? fafaics, there's no value to being aware of speculation if you don't have the ability know more/do anything about it |
| 19:08.33 | Brigo | A|an, XD |
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| 19:08.45 | tremon | (ability equates to time dedication here, not theoreticalities) |
| 19:09.25 | DasEi | I'm playing with my VM's and on a wheezy one the command lsb-release doesn't work anymore, though apt tells me it's installed, what could that be ? |
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| 19:09.50 | A|an | tremon: complacency is not good |
| 19:10.03 | A|an | first cousin with apthey |
| 19:10.09 | A|an | apathey |
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| 19:10.18 | A|an | apathy |
| 19:10.36 | tremon | DasEi: doesn't work? as in, command not found? Or empty output? |
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| 19:10.53 | DasEi | tremon: command not found |
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| 19:11.27 | tremon | the command is lsb_release. Did you try with _ or - ? |
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| 19:11.44 | somiaj | DasEi: is it lsb-release or lsb_release |
| 19:12.08 | somiaj | DasEi: /usr/bin/lsb_release -- from dpkg -L lsb-release package |
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| 19:12.55 | DasEi | tremon , saomja: lsb-release_a ,lsb_release -a and with no option in both hyphens, same effect |
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| 19:13.52 | DasEi | somiaj: the latter , to show codename of distro |
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| 19:14.18 | A|an | Brigo: as the first commenter said, "...sure anyone can update code, but so can anyone review it" There probably will need to be much closer review |
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| 19:14.45 | somiaj | DasEi: dpkg -L lsb-release -- what is the output of that? You can put it at paste.debian.net |
| 19:14.45 | A|an | Need to have you C chops up to snuff |
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| 19:15.22 | tremon | DasEi: lsb_release is a python module. Did you remove python? |
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| 19:16.04 | maex_ | hallo |
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| 19:16.20 | DasEi | tremon: http://pastebin.de/117479 |
| 19:16.20 | maex_ | guten abend aus österreich |
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| 19:16.30 | centrx | !de |
| 19:16.31 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:16.52 | DasEi | maex, löle, IRC dt.? #debian-de |
| 19:17.03 | somiaj | DasEi: try the full path, /usr/bin/lsb_release -a |
| 19:17.16 | somiaj | if that works something is wrong with your $PATH, echo $PATH |
| 19:17.19 | DasEi | err #debian.de, maex |
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| 19:18.33 | DasEi | somiaj: thx, that works, will rechecheck path (which I didn't until now, shall be able to fix it myself) thanks again |
| 19:19.53 | tremon | A|an: I didn't imply either. Being aware of where you place your trust (and how far that trust goes) is not the same as forfeiting your trust. My only point was that following unsubstantiated speculation isn't "being ahead" on any curve |
| 19:20.07 | DasEi | strange, /usr/bin is listed, well least know where too look further, else I'll be back, thx again , somiaj |
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| 19:20.31 | somiaj | DasEi: which lsb_release |
| 19:20.46 | DasEi | somiaj: wheezy |
| 19:21.01 | tremon | DasEi: no, run the command 'which lsb_release' ;) |
| 19:21.03 | somiaj | DasEi: no run that command, if /usr/bin is in your path but lsb_release is not working, something is wrong |
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| 19:21.39 | harovali | in dnsmasq, there is an option to set the ip address of the local ethernet NIC ? |
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| 19:21.50 | DasEi | somiaj: as should be : /usr/bin/lsb_release |
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| 19:22.25 | somiaj | DasEi: and again 'lsb_release -a' is not workign while '/usr/bin/lsb_release -a' is? Just double check, maybe logout/in as something is funky but I can't guess what |
| 19:23.02 | tremon | harovali: man dnsmasq, listen-address |
| 19:23.25 | harovali | tremon: thanks |
| 19:24.21 | DasEi | somiaj: wtf ?? well sorry my expression, no it works as usual again, so also without pass, I just rescrolled my history, no type before -strange friut, but does as expected now - magic |
| 19:24.34 | DasEi | pass=path |
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| 19:25.26 | somiaj | DasEi: well i saw you type lsb_release-a and not lsb_release -a into irc, maybe it is just that. |
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| 19:26.17 | DasEi | somiaj: so it's solved by whatever now, thank you again, but no typo in my history, well ask how, not why, all back to normal |
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| 19:27.31 | DammitJim | what is the difference between sftp and scp? |
| 19:27.41 | DammitJim | is there such a thing as a config for sftp in debian? |
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| 19:28.55 | somiaj | DammitJim: afiak one is an actual standard while one is not, so scp may not work from openssl to some closed ssl ssh server, while sftp standard will (i.e. there is a difference in how it actually copies the files) |
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| 19:29.12 | DammitJim | oh wow |
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| 19:29.43 | somiaj | DammitJim: http://superuser.com/questions/134901/whats-the-difference-between-scp-and-sftp -- seems there is other stuff as well |
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| 19:29.56 | somiaj | but yea I have heard that scp may not work if you wanted to scp to a non openssl ssh server |
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| 19:31.44 | [A3G1S] | Hey guys, I have 2 statuc IP on my server, and I have 2 users on the server, is it possible that I can assign 1 IP per user ? |
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| 19:32.23 | DasEi | DammitJim: I like rsync best for such purposes |
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| 19:32.50 | A|an | tremon: i used curve as a turn of phrase...i'm still using debian, of course, this revelation simply twinked by perception...i'd recommend reading through the ariticle and its links...rather intersting...you recall that snowden stated that googgle, ms, apple, facefbook, they all comply instantly with the nsa, only twitter evidently telling them that, without a warrant, they could take a hike |
| 19:32.51 | DammitJim | DasEi, I prefer many other things, but this is something someone else is doing in my corporation while dealing with a client |
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| 19:32.59 | somiaj | [A3G1S]: first I dont' think you can assign two ips to teh same interface (you will need to set up some virtuial interfaces) unless you have two seperate network interfaces |
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| 19:33.04 | DasEi | DammitJim: ic |
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| 19:33.15 | DammitJim | now I don't even know how to figure out what service is the one running sftp or what configuration file to look at |
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| 19:33.26 | [A3G1S] | I've already setup eth0:1 on the server somiaj |
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| 19:33.32 | DammitJim | apparently when they connect with sftp, they are directed to a default folder and stuff like that |
| 19:33.36 | [A3G1S] | another interface is eth0 |
| 19:33.44 | somiaj | [A3G1S]: so I would look at how to configure which network interface a users users, trying some googlefoo here |
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| 19:34.03 | tremon | there is no reason to use virtual interfaces. you can use ip addr add as many times as you want |
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| 19:36.46 | A|an | tremon: for example, some good insight from the comments in one of the links: "Another thing that would have prevented this is excessively redundant bounds-checking, i.e. at each time-of-use there is a bounds-check first for everything that has bounds. I do that sometimes, because the slow-down is small." |
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| 19:37.17 | A|an | if one wanted to be completely obsessvie, one could do that, then recompile...it would be nightmareish, but..... |
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| 19:37.29 | [A3G1S] | somiaj do you have any good link for this ? |
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| 19:38.02 | somiaj | [A3G1S]: havn't found anything useful. Maybe ask in #networking (or is it ##networking) |
| 19:38.14 | [A3G1S] | cool |
| 19:38.20 | tremon | A|an: double emphasis on your last comment. And none of that is new, see phk's talk at fosdem for more inspiration |
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| 19:38.34 | somiaj | [A3G1S]: I know that many servers do this and configure which process listens on what ip and the likes, but not sure on the details. It sounds doable (I think) but no clue how |
| 19:38.45 | syntaxx | not debian specific, but anyone know how can i identify which usb device is connected to the pci bus? lspci shows my pci and lsusb shows the usb but i am not sure which usb is connected to the usb controller shown in lspci |
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| 19:39.32 | [A3G1S] | thanks somiaj, I am going to try my luck in ##networking |
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| 19:40.22 | tremon | actually, that talk was both witty and insightful. Highly recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQoAYRKqhg |
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| 19:42.06 | jaggz | Google says these services were affected by heartbleed: "Search, Gmail, YouTube, Wallet, Play, Apps and App Engine were affected" |
| 19:42.18 | centrx | Never heard of those |
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| 19:43.31 | abrotman | also not relevant here |
| 19:43.36 | DammitJim | if I usermod -g sftpusers myself |
| 19:43.51 | DammitJim | why don't I see an entry in the sftpusers line in /etc/group? |
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| 19:44.36 | somiaj | DammitJim: you want -G not -g, look at the manpage |
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| 19:44.57 | somiaj | DammitJim: you want to addyourself to a group, not set your default group on login (next tim you login you will now be username.sftusers as your username.group) |
| 19:45.56 | DammitJim | I'm setting this up for someone else |
| 19:46.10 | DammitJim | they told me to look at how this geb2b user is setup |
| 19:46.25 | DammitJim | and geb2b has the primary group as 521 which is sftpusers group |
| 19:46.27 | DammitJim | that's why I used -g |
| 19:46.45 | somiaj | so that is your primary group not a group you are in |
| 19:46.51 | DammitJim | oh |
| 19:47.03 | DammitJim | how do I make myself be in the sftpusers grouop? |
| 19:47.07 | DammitJim | group* |
| 19:47.10 | DammitJim | -G? |
| 19:47.12 | somiaj | use -G or adduser username group |
| 19:47.28 | somiaj | now since it is your primary grou pit is the same as being in that group |
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| 19:47.57 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 19:48.04 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 19:48.48 | somiaj | DammitJim: maybe I sould have said 'effectivally the same' since you ddi notice a slight difference |
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| 19:50.03 | DammitJim | thank yuou sir |
| 19:50.10 | somiaj | DammitJim: though this also means that all files you create will be username.sftusers, you may want to change your primary group back |
| 19:50.19 | somiaj | DammitJim: which by default is the same as your username |
| 19:50.38 | DammitJim | yeah |
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| 20:02.06 | mad_hatter | what's the difference between like md5 hash and aes encryption? |
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| 20:03.31 | centrx | mad_hatter, MD5 is a hash function |
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| 20:03.50 | mad_hatter | whats the difference |
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| 20:04.25 | wols | with AES you can get the cleartext back. with a hash you can't |
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| 20:05.46 | mad_hatter | are they both froms of encyrption? |
| 20:06.16 | xvikvi | md5 is a hash , aes is encryption |
| 20:06.36 | mad_hatter | well i guess the better question is are they meant to accomplish the same goal |
| 20:06.42 | mad_hatter | where would you use md5 instead of aes |
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| 20:07.05 | centrx | mad_hatter, It should be fairly obvious from reading about it |
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| 20:13.55 | kingsley | Does Debian suggest what to do about heartbleed? If so, where? |
| 20:14.23 | DammitJim | if I want to edit a user to have /sbin/nologin |
| 20:14.25 | melt7777 | mad_hatter, hash is a one way street that scrambles something into a code only, the other one scrambles something to be unscrambled back later |
| 20:14.30 | DammitJim | can I do that directly on the /etc/passwd file? |
| 20:14.32 | pankid | I have a server which wont recognize the fact that I am using an ssh key. I used ssh-copy-id user@server.com and successfully copied the key into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. I have set the permissions in ~/.ssh to chmod 700 and the authorized_keys to chmod 600. anyone have any other troubleshooting tips I could try? |
| 20:14.50 | abrotman | kingsley: /topic |
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| 20:27.31 | jaggz | somiaj: debsums.. thanks :) |
| 20:27.43 | betz | Hey. I just installed debian. There is no xorg.conf. Can i lookup what the current used settings are? I need to alter something, but don't know what is the current 'secion screen'. |
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| 20:29.00 | centrx | betz, "X -configure" will make an xorg.conf file that should match the current settings |
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| 20:29.50 | betz | centrx: thanks |
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| 20:31.43 | petern_ | Do you need an xorg.conf? |
| 20:31.52 | betz | yes |
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| 20:34.04 | jaggz | debsums: no md5sums for binutils |
| 20:34.07 | jaggz | oh.. that's nice. |
| 20:34.25 | jaggz | (should remove sarcasm from.. me.) |
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| 20:35.03 | jaggz | why are there no md5sums for the binutils package? |
| 20:36.15 | jaggz | oh.. spamcop's rbl was blocking a family member's gmails from going through.. that's "nice" too. |
| 20:36.23 | jaggz | couldn't get mom's email |
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| 20:37.00 | sysvalve | jaggz: spamcop did list gmail addresses? |
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| 20:37.26 | jaggz | didn't look at their list itself, just saw the bounce she showed me that said spamcop wasn't letting it through |
| 20:37.39 | CdK1 | Hi all, I have ati radeon dual graphics in wheezy with fglrx |
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| 20:46.14 | Vasco86 | hello |
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| 20:48.33 | somiaj | betz: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log it tells everything xorg detects and tries as it loads |
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| 20:50.41 | somiaj | betz: you should probabaly only put into xorg.conf things that xorg dosen't detect correctly, and you only need to add enough info to tell xorg what to do, you can do these in config snippets via /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 20:54.03 | betz | somiaj: this is what i am trying to do: http://www.piratepad.be/p/touchscreen |
| 20:54.35 | betz | but it doesnt find "Screen[0]" |
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| 20:55.36 | betz | and when doing X —configure i receive an error telling me "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" |
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| 21:01.55 | multi_io | lol, an update of initramfs-tools produced to totally broken (i.e. unbootable) initrd image here, which overwrote the perfectly working one from the previously installed version |
| 21:02.45 | multi_io | and I noticed it half a year later when I rebooted the machine (which was yesterday) :-P |
| 21:03.27 | multi_io | the broken images didn't contain the ext3 kernel modules (for mounting the root fs) |
| 21:03.33 | multi_io | how can that even happen? |
| 21:03.45 | multi_io | *broken image |
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| 21:12.38 | SpeakerToMeat | I'll try asking here, jic someone has run into this as well. |
| 21:12.45 | SpeakerToMeat | Ok, i have a very odd trouble in sane in gnome 3 in debian wheezy.... many times, when I open sane, if I open the preview window, the window looks well, but the window contents are not visible,a nd if I traverse it with the mouse I get a corrupted content only along the top (horizontal) and left (vertical) borders...... it doesnt matters if I close and open sane again, it always happens.... and thus I can't set the scan area in preview. |
| 21:12.51 | SpeakerToMeat | this is what it looks like http://imgur.com/AzA5M0Q |
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| 21:15.49 | kmyst | ok probably a stupid question but is there a way to determine all section names a particular apt repository has? |
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| 21:16.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i swap this back to amd64 ? dpkg --remove-architecture i386 |
| 21:16.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i wa trying to install wine and it wants the i386 version, and it said to add an arch, and now i get i386 packages.. how do i remove this? i cam just going to reboot to windows and use it there.. |
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| 21:18.08 | centrx | Eryn_1983_FL, Does that dpkg remove-architecture not work? |
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| 21:36.55 | redteam316 | hey all. I'm the developer for Embroidermodder 2. We are running a Kickstarter campaign for it and Linux is a first class citizen. One of our backers posted to slashdot about it so if you think this is cool, please upvote it: http://slashdot.org/submission/3478011/open-source-embroidermodder-goes-where-no-embroiderer-has-gone-before |
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| 21:38.05 | peterS | redteam316: this is not the place for advertising or shilling, thanks |
| 21:39.02 | linux2 | I'm attempting to install a update of a package and I'm getting the following error "su: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session". I've tracked it down using Google to being an issue with PAM. Any ideas on where I might want to look? I checked /etc/pam.d/su and everything looks alright in there. PAM radius is installed, not sure if that would make any difference? |
| 21:39.32 | redteam316 | peterS: I'm not trying to be rude. sorry about that. |
| 21:39.33 | peterS | linux2: the most useful thing you can tell us is exactly what package you're updating |
| 21:40.05 | linux2 | peterS: it's Opsview. It's from their own repository. |
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| 21:40.41 | peterS | ah - I was going to say - I don't imagine most debian packages would use 'su' at all in their preinst / postinst scripts |
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| 21:40.57 | peterS | anyway you can see what it's trying to do by reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/opsview.postinst or similar files |
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| 21:44.01 | peterS | linux2: I wouldn't be surprised if a pam radius module were involved. that's not exactly the most common configuration. but best to figure out what the package installer is trying to do, by reading those files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 21:47.28 | linux2 | peterS: ok thanks. Maybe I'll just have to find out how to temporarily disable pam radius to complete the install if needed |
| 21:48.02 | peterS | linux2: indeed - if you need to it's a matter of commenting stuff out in /etc/pam.conf or /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 21:48.28 | peterS | or perhaps one or more of the /etc/pam.d/common-* files |
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| 21:51.22 | linux2 | peterS: it's a start anyways. I was just looking for a little advice on where to look before I started poking around too much further. Thank you again for your input :) |
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| 21:54.23 | elichai2 | hey |
| 21:54.36 | elichai2 | can someone please help me with repartitioning |
| 21:54.38 | elichai2 | ? |
| 21:55.30 | sdf10809 | what do you want to do? |
| 21:56.00 | elichai2 | i have an NTFS partition with 50GB free and i want to resize it and create ext4 partition with 36GB |
| 21:56.48 | mtn | elichai2: a live disk and gparted: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html |
| 21:56.57 | elichai2 | why live disk? |
| 21:57.03 | elichai2 | i have debian :) |
| 21:57.15 | elichai2 | (on other partition) |
| 21:57.16 | sdf10809 | because it needs to be unmounted |
| 21:57.20 | sdf10809 | i think |
| 21:57.25 | mtn | elichai2: you can't resize a mounted partition. so if it isn't moutned, go right ahead and use gparted |
| 21:57.29 | elichai2 | i can umount it |
| 21:57.44 | elichai2 | but gparted giving me an error about NTFS |
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| 21:58.02 | sdf10809 | you may need for format the free space first |
| 21:58.14 | sdf10809 | in ext4 |
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| 21:58.41 | elichai2 | ok |
| 21:58.56 | elichai2 | only if my data on the NTFS partition won't get hurt :) |
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| 21:59.07 | mtn | elichai2: of course you have backups ;) |
| 21:59.10 | tremon | data on backups generally doesn't get hurt |
| 21:59.29 | elichai2 | see: http://picpaste.com/2014.04.11_005902-4fHzg256.png |
| 21:59.35 | sdf10809 | don't play with gparted unless it's backed up |
| 21:59.43 | elichai2 | mtn: i have to backup my NTFS partition?! |
| 21:59.55 | mtn | elichai2: do you want your data safe or not? |
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| 22:00.16 | sdf10809 | if it's the same physical device i would say you should |
| 22:00.24 | mtn | elichai2: no, you don't have to |
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| 22:00.58 | elichai2 | i want it safe but if it's most likely won't delete it i'm ok :) |
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| 22:02.02 | tremon | elichai2: it most likely won't delete, but ntfs is proprietary technology so we can't guarantee microsoft software can still read the disk after resizing |
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| 22:02.12 | elichai2 | ok.... |
| 22:02.18 | elichai2 | but how can i resize it? |
| 22:02.45 | tremon | there is ntfsresize in the ntfsprogs package iirc |
| 22:02.52 | mtn | elichai2: how about reading the link I gave you? |
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| 22:03.22 | elichai2 | mtn: you saw the picture i posted here? |
| 22:04.21 | mtn | elichai2: sorry, missed it. it says plainly there is a problem with the windows partition |
| 22:04.31 | mtn | elichai2: and what to do about it ;) |
| 22:04.35 | elichai2 | so i must run chkdsk /f ? |
| 22:04.55 | elichai2 | ok, so i'm going into windows again... :( Bye! |
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| 22:05.37 | sdf10809 | windows actually makes is very easy to resize a partition |
| 22:05.40 | puff | I'm running debian squeeze. It says here the "oldstable" version of debian squeeze is not vulnerable to heartbleed. How do I ascertain if I'm running "oldstable"? |
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| 22:06.10 | mtn | puff: squeeze is old stable |
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| 22:06.35 | sdf10809 | i don't think the version in debian 6 was vulnerable to begin with but i might be wrong |
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| 22:07.12 | teraflops | puff: cat /etc/debian_version? |
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| 22:08.13 | donvito | */1 * * * * pgrep oscam > /dev/null || /var/etc/oscam |
| 22:08.16 | donvito | if i remove */1 |
| 22:08.21 | donvito | what crontab does? |
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| 22:09.01 | puff | teraflops: 6.0. |
| 22:09.19 | teraflops | olsdtable as mtn said |
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| 22:09.40 | puff | teraflops, mnt: thanks. |
| 22:09.45 | teraflops | yw |
| 22:09.47 | sergiodj | donvito: if you remove it cron will complain that it cannot parse the file correctly |
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| 22:11.34 | Anuska | Hi, how i disable hibernate in debian? |
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| 22:14.02 | peterS | puff: more complete answer: 'dpkg -l libssl1.0.0'. If that says the package doesn't exist, like it did not exist in debian 6, then you're not vulnerable |
| 22:14.05 | mtn | Anuska: not sure that makes sense. you have to tell the computer to hibernate. maybe you mean something else? |
| 22:14.26 | somiaj | Anuska: I think you want to keep pm-utils installed but disable it automaticcally hibernating when you close the lid or after a set period of time? |
| 22:14.43 | peterS | puff: well unless you're running some non-free software on debian that comes with its own bundled openssl library statically linked into the application. (I won't name names but I saw exactly this yesterday. :/) |
| 22:14.53 | Anuska | i want to delete hibernate/suspend on debian |
| 22:15.11 | tremon | peterS: you mean like google's mod_spdy? |
| 22:15.25 | peterS | tremon: I said I wasn't naming names. but anyway no that's not the one I mean (: |
| 22:15.28 | leonlemouton | learn french : http://forge.info.univ-angers.fr/~gh/index.html :-) |
| 22:15.43 | Anuska | mtn, somiaj : How To Completely Disable Hibernation / Suspend ? |
| 22:15.55 | tremon | peterS: you weren't. But I see no problems in pointing out which software needs patching urgently |
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| 22:16.08 | mtn | Anuska: don't know and don't know why you would want to. just don't use it. |
| 22:16.18 | peterS | tremon: sure |
| 22:16.34 | somiaj | multi_io: what version of debian do you run? |
| 22:16.48 | peterS | leonlemouton: link spam is offtopic here, please don't |
| 22:17.33 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: you might have to remove all i386 packages first, dpkg -l | grep ":i386" |
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| 22:18.30 | grin | um, hello. |
| 22:18.31 | leonlemouton | ok peterS |
| 22:18.40 | Linuxator | why isn't Debian pretty -customised as LMDE? |
| 22:18.45 | grin | do I observe right that cdn.araki.net aka cdn.debian.net is dead? |
| 22:18.51 | somiaj | Anuska: again I don't think you want to do that. You need to identify what is calling your computer to hibernate, and disable it from telling your computer to do so |
| 22:19.00 | grin | nameservers give nxdomain |
| 22:19.11 | peterS | grin: ask downforeveryoneorjustme.com I guess |
| 22:19.14 | somiaj | Anuska: if it is a timer, modify the settings of your de/timer software. If it is when you close your laptop lid, you will have to modify acpi events based on the button of th elid being pushed, etc |
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| 22:19.25 | mtn | Linuxator: it will be if you make it pretty ;) |
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| 22:20.13 | somiaj | Linuxator: debian gives you the choice/freedom to do a lmost more tham lmde, part of being nice and pretty is forcing people to use paticular software with a paticular config. Debian gives you the freedom to choose which also means you need to configure more things yourself. |
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| 22:20.27 | grin | peterS, do you check what you advice? |
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| 22:20.39 | nf7 | Thinking about switching to Ubuntu to try out the new version. But I like Debian a lot... At it's heart, are Debian and Ubuntu essentially the same, but Debian is minimalist, as opposed to Ubuntu which is feature packed? Are there any major differences? |
| 22:21.12 | peterS | grin: I didn't say I had checked it. I said that's a way to answer your question. I may have typoed the domain name ("down for everyone or just me? dot com"), let me check |
| 22:21.22 | somiaj | nf7: actually at their heart there are lots of core differences between the two. That is where most the difference is. In terms of policy, software available, and how it is configured. |
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| 22:21.42 | esulu | can you help me to install java in debian please |
| 22:21.43 | grin | peterS, it is not a website, and this site checks websites. |
| 22:21.44 | esulu | ? |
| 22:22.02 | nf7 | somiaj: Could you explain a few of them to me? If you don't mind |
| 22:22.06 | somiaj | nf7: so with the choice of distro you get the support community, managment and policy of what goes where, along with the selection of software available. |
| 22:22.13 | SerajewelKS | what would cause smem to output nothing, even when run as root? |
| 22:22.15 | squisher | nf7, don't get too hung up on the "new version" of ubuntu. Try it if you are unsatisfied with debian, or try it if you would like to use unity (which is, afaik, not available for debian) |
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| 22:22.37 | grin | peterS, and I'm pretty sure it's down, but I guess wrong place, nobody admin here. |
| 22:22.56 | peterS | grin: guess I'm not familiar with it then, I thought it served apt repositories via http, so I figured a site checker that uses http might check it |
| 22:23.10 | grin | peterS, okay thanks. |
| 22:23.16 | somiaj | nf7: I don't use ubuntu enough to have exact differences. The core difference is enough that many times when tyring to help someone here and we find out they are running ubuntu the thing we suggest which would have worked in debian did not work in ubuntu. |
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| 22:24.20 | somiaj | nf7: so the core, policy, packages, and philolsphy is the big difference. At the top level, libeoffice and debian is ery similar to libreoffice on ubuntu, but that is because it is libreoffice in both cases. |
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| 22:26.04 | elichai2 | So i guess my windows is dead |
| 22:26.24 | nf7 | somiaj: Ok I see. I like Debian because it is very stable, but I noticed that a lot of the software packages available for it are very old compared to other Linux distro's, and thus I've been having to build the ones that I need from source. It's not a big deal, but it's always nice to be on the edge. Of course it wouldn't be as stable as Debian though! |
| 22:26.28 | elichai2 | I tried to repartioned it from windows and it had a problem |
| 22:26.41 | elichai2 | Any why to run chkdsk from linux? |
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| 22:27.55 | somiaj | nf7: and you loose this wonderful debian support community. Though backports are a good way to run some software newer. In many cases you might find you only need a few pieces here and there (at least that is my experience). The core I just need to be stable |
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| 22:29.32 | mtn | elichai2: so windows won't boot anymore? |
| 22:29.35 | Doyle | Hey. Do you need all 3 DVD iso's to install debian-7.4.0amd64? |
| 22:29.42 | elichai2 | Yep |
| 22:29.49 | elichai2 | I get this damn error |
| 22:29.59 | elichai2 | (Windows 8) |
| 22:30.06 | elichai2 | *8.1 |
| 22:30.21 | mtn | elichai2: then you should go to a windows channel and see if they can help |
| 22:30.23 | elichai2 | Opsss wrong channel lok |
| 22:30.27 | elichai2 | Lol |
| 22:30.38 | mtn | Doyle: no |
| 22:30.52 | elichai2 | Ohh its not wrong channel |
| 22:31.08 | elichai2 | I cant run cmd commands from linux? |
| 22:31.10 | Doyle | mtn: What are disks 2 and 3? |
| 22:31.18 | elichai2 | (Hate IRC on android) |
| 22:31.27 | mtn | Doyle: more stuff. I always use the netinstall myself. |
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| 22:31.30 | peterS | Doyle: software. more software. and more software. all of it also available for download at install time. |
| 22:31.45 | elichai2 | Doyle. Disks 2 and 3 are with less ordinary pakcages |
| 22:32.20 | DrFoo | Does the CD installer have the rescue mode on it? |
| 22:32.30 | Doyle | Great, thanks. I'm from the days when Great Planes software installed off 7 disks, and wanted them to be inserted in a weird order, then reinserted in another weird order just to be installed... |
| 22:32.33 | DrFoo | as opposed to the DVD installer |
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| 22:33.17 | peterS | yeah there was a time when software came on physical media. these days you just get your computer up to the point of being on the internet and then download whatever you don't have |
| 22:33.37 | peterS | this works (and has pretty much always worked this way) just fine in Debian. most people just get the ~ 200 MB 'netinst' CD |
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| 22:34.17 | Doyle | I'll go with that then. Thanks |
| 22:34.44 | peterS | the DVD and Bluray images are really just special cases, for situations where you won't have decent connectivity, or you have a lot of computers to install and don't have an easy means to set up a local caching proxy |
| 22:35.38 | sdf10809 | i'm considering using a bluetooth mouse with debian but are any of you who are security conscious aware of any security vulnerabilities that can be associated with using bluetooth? |
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| 22:36.21 | peterS | sdf10809: aside from an attacker 10 meters away tracing all your mouse movements? 'cause that would be pretty trivial. But at some point it's almost as easy to point a camera at your monitor. |
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| 22:37.51 | sdf10809 | peterS: trivial how. with some sort of antenna? |
| 22:38.13 | nf7 | sdf10809: What could they possibly do with your mouse movements? |
| 22:38.35 | sdf10809 | nf7, nothing that i know of with mouse movements. bluetooth keyboard would be another story |
| 22:38.39 | sakang | Doyle: 16mb netboot is more than enough to install debian if you want more control |
| 22:38.45 | peterS | nf7: indeed, compared to pointing a camera at your monitor, 'watching' your moves and clicks has much more limited value |
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| 22:39.00 | peterS | nf7: they might be able to learn your strengths and weaknesses as a Minesweeper aficionado though |
| 22:41.04 | sdf10809 | peterS: so the antenna would pick up a bluetooth transmission and do what with it, map it out on the creep's screen or something? |
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| 22:41.16 | nf7 | I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard... I wonder how secure it is |
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| 22:41.54 | peterS | nf7: so long as you never type passwords with it....? |
| 22:42.15 | nf7 | peterS: Hahah, well apparently it's quite secure |
| 22:42.31 | ProfessorBacon | except when it comes to pattern analysis |
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| 22:42.34 | ProfessorBacon | kidding. |
| 22:42.46 | nf7 | Bluetooth in general is, apparently the cheaper wireless devices that use 2.4 receivers are less so, but I have no idea |
| 22:43.04 | peterS | does bluetooth have a security layer? though even if so, mouse movements would be pretty hard to mask, as the fact and timing of an event is a large percentage of the information |
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| 22:43.46 | peterS | the mouse would have to send quite a bit of null data to mask the existence and timing of the real movements |
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| 22:45.01 | sdf10809 | appartently there are attacks against bluetooth, so don't be too sure nf7 |
| 22:45.02 | nf7 | You know those SSH key creators that tell you to move your mouse randomly around the screen to generate random numbers? You see where I'm going with this but it's not plausable at all. |
| 22:45.07 | sdf10809 | bluejacking, bluesnarfing |
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| 22:46.01 | peterS | well and the 'entropy pool counter' idea in /dev/random is pretty screwy and always has been |
| 22:47.28 | peterS | rather than estimate the bits that have flowed in and out and keep a sum of "how much is left", what you really want is to make sure to have enough randomness seeded _once_, then after that it doesn't matter how much data flows in or out of the pool |
| 22:49.19 | peterS | I mean you could insist on a periodic 'rekeying' of the random pool with X number of random bits in a lump sum, to limit the damage in case the PRNG itself isn't secure ... but it's still not like the water level in a pool |
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| 22:51.27 | sdf10809 | well it sounds like a mouse is probably the safest bluetooth device you can use |
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| 22:52.25 | tremon | aiui, the prng itself isn't secure (because its algorithm is known). The only unknown variable is its initial state. perturbing the prng state every X bits makes sense |
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| 23:04.43 | iSudo_ | hello all |
| 23:05.06 | mtn | iSudo_: this channel won't support kali either ;) |
| 23:05.09 | iSudo_ | can anyone offer a hand with an issue i'm having with a debian based distro |
| 23:06.59 | iSudo_ | (startx:2709) failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager connection ":1.7" is not allowed to own the service org.gnome.DisplayManager due to security policies in the configuration file |
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| 23:07.13 | iSudo_ | how do I fix that |
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| 23:09.12 | squisher | haha, persistent :D |
| 23:09.22 | mtn | heh |
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| 23:10.22 | cafuego | Update the policies in the configuration file. |
| 23:10.37 | cafuego | I'd have thought that was obvious. |
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| 23:15.22 | Stanto | I had squid installed, under squeeze, and I thought I had uninstalled it, so I go to upgrade to wheezy and I run aptitude, press 'g' to sort out packages, and it decides that it wants to bring back squid from the dead and re-install it and its packages. How can I make sure that squid is removed and gone and won't come back ? |
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| 23:18.34 | Anuska | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi=off apm=off" in /etc/default/grub ... to disable hibernate in debian |
| 23:18.41 | Anuska | ? |
| 23:19.13 | DrFoo | how do I display all the startup warnings? |
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| 23:22.20 | leonlemouton | DrFoo : /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:24.02 | stew | DrFoo: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 23:29.45 | Anuska | i need to put GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi=off apm=off" in /etc/default/grub ... to disable hibernate in debian |
| 23:29.58 | Anuska | ? |
| 23:31.48 | DrFoo | Does anyone use pwmcontrol for your fans? |
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| 23:35.44 | chocolate | How to solve this issue http://pastebin.com/8JpjRRLr ? |
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| 23:40.00 | DrFoo | I cannot log into gnome with any user. I can only log in from TTY. I want to reinstall gnome (on wheezy), what package is this? |
| 23:41.05 | leonlemouton | DrFoo : https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 23:44.29 | somiaj | DrFoo: I would be a bit clear, you cannot log into your gnome session via gdm3? (the dislay manager might have bad configurations) |
| 23:44.38 | somiaj | DrFoo: or are you using another displaymanager? |
| 23:44.43 | DrFoo | leonlemouton: Is this still accurate given that gnome changed significantly in 7? |
| 23:45.14 | chocolate | Could someone help me with it http://pastebin.com/8JpjRRLr |
| 23:45.18 | chocolate | ?? |
| 23:45.23 | somiaj | the packages names are still the same, they are just newer versions sot he gnome meta package will install all of gnomes compoenents DrFoo |
| 23:45.45 | DrFoo | somiaj: happened after update. I believe it's gdm3.. how can i tell? It hangs and tells me there a serious error and then logs me out. I go back to the login screen |
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| 23:46.09 | somiaj | DrFoo: most likely is it gdm3, I would look at the log files for gdm3 |
| 23:46.32 | somiaj | DrFoo: are you running debian 7 wheezy, this is a very strange thing to happen after an upgrade if so. Or are you running jessie or worst case scenerio are you mixing repos |
| 23:47.53 | DrFoo | somiaj: I had previously upgraded with only minor issues. Then one day, I updated my packages and lost gnome login to my primary user. I created a test user and could login fine into gnome... then after another update I lost all gnome logins... just tty now... |
| 23:48.18 | DrFoo | yes gdm3 |
| 23:49.12 | leonlemouton | chocolate : http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_aircrack&DokuWiki=c5ac143d7d8fcdc1aad60eb43364b50d |
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| 23:49.18 | DrFoo | I hate to complain (but I will :) ) Deb 7 doesn't seem as solid as 6 was.... I'm having lots of issues after regular updates.... losing gnome, lost grub on the last update via tty |
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| 23:50.18 | DrFoo | I'm a late adopter and prefer stabilily to new features. |
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| 23:50.57 | chocolate | leonlemounton I did friend... Not working |
| 23:51.09 | somiaj | DrFoo: would you please put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net -- I do agree, this should not happen in Deb 7, and I will try to help you track down the issue. |
| 23:51.40 | somiaj | chocolate: I see an xy-problem here, so lets get some background info. What piece of hardware are you trying to get to work in debian and what version of debian? |
| 23:52.18 | DrFoo | somiaj: what's the command line web browser? |
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| 23:52.31 | leonlemouton | chocolate :http://askubuntu.com/questions/142007/cant-install-aircrack-ng |
| 23:52.34 | chocolate | Its chrooted Debian wheezy over android |
| 23:52.45 | chocolate | somiaj |
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| 23:53.01 | chocolate | Galaxy s4 |
| 23:53.19 | gregor2 | do you like pokemon? |
| 23:54.42 | somiaj | chocolate: ahh, yea sounds like lots of layers and I'm not familr with the arm port of debian at all. |
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| 23:56.18 | somiaj | chocolate: nto sure why you are getting errors instead of warnings but that is what looks like is going on |
| 23:56.25 | leonlemouton | In the aircrack-ng-1.1 directory there is a file called common.mak |
| 23:56.29 | somiaj | chocolate: even line 36 says all awrnings are being ttreated as errors |
| 23:56.54 | leonlemouton | Delete the -Werror variable, so that the line now looks like the following. Save and exit. |
| 23:57.10 | somiaj | DrFoo: you can use pastebinit if you want to just upload the output from a console |
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| 23:57.57 | chocolate | So what to do? |
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| 23:59.30 | nf7 | I've installed a new version of Emacs that I built from source. How do I remove the old Emacs 23 that comes with Debian? |
| 23:59.32 | somiaj | chocolate: seems leonlemouton has a suggestion, the code is set to error out on those warrings. It might be done for a very paticular reason and thus saying something isn't correct in your setup, but his suggestion is to modify the code to not error out on warings |
| 23:59.48 | somiaj | nf7: apt-get remove package |
