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| 00:00.20 | nf7 | somiaj: I do that, but the program is still there. |
| 00:00.43 | somiaj | nf7: here is some advise for doing such a thing. 1) make sure you install compiled stuff in /usr/local (not /usr) or $HOME. 2) make sure you have some way in place to manage this software, 'stow' is a good example of such a tool. 3) if you have other packages that depend on emacs might want to look at the 'equivs' package |
| 00:01.08 | nf7 | ok |
| 00:01.13 | gregor2 | man |
| 00:01.13 | nf7 | thank you |
| 00:01.13 | somiaj | nf7: what do you mean still there? Did you remove all emacs packages that are related to that? Or when you type in 'which emacs' you keep getting the debian binary |
| 00:01.17 | cast | i second the stow recommendation |
| 00:01.31 | gregor2 | how can i run a .sh script on boot? |
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| 00:01.46 | somiaj | gregor2: very simple way, cron @reboot option |
| 00:02.01 | gregor2 | how? |
| 00:02.09 | gregor2 | what should i do? |
| 00:02.16 | somiaj | gregor2: another way use /etc/rc.local, the more sophosicated way is confgure your init system correctly (wheezy this is /etc/init.d/ scripts) though in jessie this will change to systemd |
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| 00:02.23 | somiaj | gregor2: what kinda of script is this? |
| 00:02.29 | nf7 | somiaj: which emacs gives me the one that I built, but emacs23 still appears in my applications list in gnome |
| 00:02.34 | nf7 | somiaj: and it still opens |
| 00:02.47 | somiaj | nf7: dpkg -l | grep emacs, do you have additional emacs packages intsalled? |
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| 00:02.58 | DrFoo | somiaj: I'm in a bit of a rut... I can't seem to connect to the internet on the machine... ugh |
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| 00:03.31 | nf7 | somiaj: Five packages appear, so I need to remove these individually as well? |
| 00:03.34 | somiaj | DrFoo: no problem, again you could try to --reinstall gdm3 maybe purge it first then reinstall so it brings back the default config. I just wanted to make sure you had everything nice and clean before helping. |
| 00:03.50 | somiaj | nf7: yea most likely the emacs was just a meta package that pulled the others in |
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| 00:03.55 | somiaj | nf7: does apt-get autoremove take them out? |
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| 00:04.01 | DrFoo | somiaj: I mean I have NO internet connectivity... can't even resinstall |
| 00:04.06 | nf7 | somiaj: No it doesn't |
| 00:04.15 | nf7 | somiaj: Doing them all individually, one moment |
| 00:04.25 | somiaj | nf7: that will work, they just weren't marked as autoinstalled apcakges |
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| 00:05.05 | somiaj | DrFoo: /sbin/ifconfig -- that should show you what devices are configured. Do you use network manager to configure your connenctions? If so they may not start until you load x, why not just login as your normal user and run 'startx' does that work? |
| 00:05.11 | gregor2 | but it is a standalone folder! |
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| 00:05.36 | gregor2 | i think if i move the script out of it, it wont work annymore! |
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| 00:05.47 | DrFoo | somiaj: I used to have internet... lol... startx doesn't work |
| 00:05.56 | somiaj | gregor2: that link you sent didn't work, I don't ened the script, I need 'what does that script do' |
| 00:06.09 | nf7 | somiaj: Is there a command to get rid of all unneeded packages system wide, or is that autoremove? |
| 00:06.13 | leonlemouton | chocolate : 64 or 32 bits? |
| 00:06.31 | gregor2 | the link isnt working? |
| 00:06.34 | leonlemouton | gcc -g -W -Wall -Werror -O3 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_REVISION=0 -fPIC -I.. -c -o linux.o linux.c |
| 00:06.41 | somiaj | DrFoo: does it error out? If so what errors. Sounds like you have something really messing up your system. I do not nkow what. here is a guess, do you use non-free drivers and a backported kernel. I.e. do you use nvidia and kernel 3-13 (dpkg -l | grep linux-image) |
| 00:06.50 | somiaj | gregor2: nope |
| 00:07.02 | somiaj | gregor2: again jsut a quick sentance, what does this script do? |
| 00:07.42 | gregor2 | i dont know axactly what it does! |
| 00:08.19 | somiaj | gregor2: sounds like a bad thing to want to run at boot to me then |
| 00:08.21 | gregor2 | i dont wrote it myself and i dont know annything about python! |
| 00:08.38 | gregor2 | why? |
| 00:08.53 | chocolate | leonlemounon: it's actually armv71 arch |
| 00:08.54 | gregor2 | i want that the server gets started at boot |
| 00:09.05 | gregor2 | like the http and ftp server to! |
| 00:09.52 | somiaj | gregor2: just bad pratice. You should write a proper init.d service to load/unload this, but if you want quick dirty fixes here two are |
| 00:10.13 | somiaj | gregor2: 1) run crontab -e and put an '@reboot /path/to/script' line that will run that script when cron starts |
| 00:10.55 | somiaj | gregor2: 2) open the file /etc/rc.local. Put in a single line that says 'python /path/to/script' or '/path/to/script' if it already executable |
| 00:11.06 | somiaj | gregor2: in either case that script will be run when your system starts |
| 00:11.17 | somiaj | gregor2: since you do not know what it does this is very dangerous unless you really trust the source |
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| 00:13.14 | somiaj | DrFoo: check two things for me, 1) uname -a (does this say kernel 3.13) and 2) do you use the non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 00:13.24 | leonlemouton | chocolate : this link help you ? : http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?t=321834&page=4 |
| 00:13.26 | DrFoo | somiaj: ah! I moved this PC. It has static IP, it's a dns issue |
| 00:13.37 | DrFoo | I can ping opendns servers |
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| 00:15.56 | DrFoo | somiaj: looks like network manager is running it now. Was that always the case? |
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| 00:16.16 | Swabby | Is there anything special you have to do in order to enable telnet on Debian 7? |
| 00:16.25 | somiaj | DrFoo: the network-manager server runs at startup, though I thought user defined stuff didn't run until the client was loaded |
| 00:16.38 | DrFoo | Swabby: you might have to install the package |
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| 00:16.43 | somiaj | Swabby: two or from? One would be install a telnet server, and that is a bad bad security hole, use ssh |
| 00:17.08 | somiaj | Swabby: if you just need to use telnet to test something, I like netcat as a simpler feature myself |
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| 00:17.18 | Swabby | somiaj: two.. i'm actually running a legacy BBS using dosemu |
| 00:17.23 | Swabby | there's literally nothing else on the box... |
| 00:17.37 | Swabby | i have a script that will start the BBS... but for some weird reason after installing the package it won't answer telnet requests. |
| 00:17.39 | chocolate | I even cannot install leonlemounton |
| 00:17.40 | DrFoo | somiaj: How can I set my dns servsers |
| 00:17.49 | somiaj | DrFoo: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:18.02 | somiaj | note somethings will overwrite that file on the fly such as network-manager |
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| 00:18.44 | somiaj | Swabby: you can use netstat to see if anything is listening on the port and if listening on the localhost or actualy internet ip |
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| 00:19.08 | leonlemouton | DrFoo : http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm |
| 00:19.12 | Lady_Aleena | Does Debian have a way to make drive instant available so when I insert a floppy disk, iomega disk, cd, or dvd, or plug in a usb drive I don't have to worry about mounting them? |
| 00:19.33 | Lady_Aleena | s/instant/instantly/; |
| 00:19.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: there are various tools that can automount things for you. I belive the major DE's include this by default. |
| 00:20.03 | somiaj | LordDeath: I don't think floppy disk will fit in this category, but I don't think they know when you plug things in. Now sd cards, cd drives, usb thumb dirves, etc will |
| 00:20.23 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I just tried to use a 3.5" floppy, and I inserted it, navigated to /media/floppy/ and nothing was there. |
| 00:20.48 | chocolate | leonlemounton: any other suggestion? |
| 00:20.50 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea floppy drives devices do not know when you put something in, so there is no way to trigger the automount, you'll have to manually mount them |
| 00:21.06 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: at least I have never seen or heard of floppy drives (if anyone still uses them) that do that |
| 00:21.17 | Lady_Aleena | Windows knew, so why doesn't Debian know? |
| 00:21.45 | somiaj | Windows doesn't know, windows just sets tries to read from the drive when you click on A: |
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| 00:22.17 | somiaj | I think there are some programst hat do that, if you try to goto a directory it will try something. I am not intersted in such thigns so I don't rember the name of the software |
| 00:22.19 | Lady_Aleena | So why didn't Debian try to read it when I clicked on /media/floppy/ |
| 00:22.22 | somiaj | so yes this method is possible |
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| 00:23.44 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: my personall suggestion is if you don't have an entry for your floppy in /etc/fstab (you migth have one already) set it up so any user can use it |
| 00:23.56 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: then any user can mount the floppy with one command, 'mount /media/floppy' done |
| 00:24.16 | somiaj | I'm sorry I cannot rember the name of the software that would try to do this if you try to read that directory |
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| 00:25.01 | Lady_Aleena | I have /etc/fstab.d/ |
| 00:25.16 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have /etc/fstab/ |
| 00:25.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: look in /etc/fstab.d directory do you see anything talking about a floppy drive |
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| 00:25.55 | Lady_Aleena | Nothing is in there. |
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| 00:26.26 | Lady_Aleena | Is fstab a file or directory? |
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| 00:26.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /etc/fstab is a file, /etc/fstab.d/ is a directory that you can put fstab info into multiple files |
| 00:26.54 | Lady_Aleena | I have a fstab file. |
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| 00:27.49 | mabo1 | I have a python query, anyone able to help? |
| 00:28.13 | leonlemouton | chocolate : RTFM ... |
| 00:28.16 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: okay open up that file as root, do y ou see a line like this |
| 00:28.21 | leonlemouton | good night |
| 00:28.22 | ctmjr | someone in #python might |
| 00:28.40 | mabo1 | ok |
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| 00:28.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,users 0 0 |
| 00:29.00 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: if you see one it was added for you, if you do not see one, add that line to the end of that file |
| 00:29.05 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/93051/ is my fstab. |
| 00:29.41 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea what I thought it is there, okay as any user run 'mount /media/floppy' and it will mount it and then 'umount /media/floppy' when you are done |
| 00:30.22 | DrFoo | somiaj: Network manager keeps overwriting my resolve.conf with 192.168.1.1 which is wrong |
| 00:30.44 | DrFoo | I really am beginning to hate deb 7 |
| 00:30.55 | Lady_Aleena | mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device |
| 00:31.07 | somiaj | DrFoo: that is network-manager, I don't use it. Again answer two questions I gave you a while ago |
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| 00:31.25 | somiaj | DrFoo: uname -a (are you running the 3.13 backported kernel) 2) do you use non-free nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:32.27 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: okay lets see if we can figure out where your floppy is located at, 'dmesg | grep fd' do you see any of those lines mention your floppy drive |
| 00:32.44 | DrFoo | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:32.48 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: is this a usb external floppy drive |
| 00:32.48 | DrFoo | somiaj ^^ |
| 00:33.01 | Lady_Aleena | [118889.992029] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 00:33.04 | somiaj | DrFoo: nope my guess is not your issue |
| 00:33.20 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: hmm that is sounding like a bad floppy disk |
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| 00:33.25 | somiaj | or drive |
| 00:33.25 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I will let you finish up with DrFoo. |
| 00:33.26 | DrFoo | what's the difference between the first version number and the scond? Somiaj |
| 00:33.53 | DrFoo | Lady_aleena: Thank you, that is kind of you |
| 00:33.59 | somiaj | DrFoo: 3.2 is the branch of the kernel, as it gets security patches and the likes (small fixes) the minor versino goes up |
| 00:34.29 | DrFoo | somiaj: how do i find out about the drivers? |
| 00:34.32 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but I/O errors are usually sign of bad hardware or a floppy disk. |
| 00:34.43 | somiaj | DrFoo: dpkg -l | grep nvidia -- see any nvidia packages. |
| 00:35.02 | Lady_Aleena | goes quiet. |
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| 00:36.14 | DrFoo | somiaj: no nvidia divers.. I believe it has an nvidia card though |
| 00:36.27 | somiaj | DrFoo: I'm courious about if you were using non-free drivers. |
| 00:36.36 | DrFoo | somiaj: How do I set the dns with network manager |
| 00:36.54 | somiaj | DrFoo: okay ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- do you have any config files for xorg there? |
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| 00:38.30 | somiaj | DrFoo: looks like 'nmcli' will be a command line client you can confgure network manager with, read it's manpage, I don't use the tool myself. |
| 00:40.06 | DrFoo | somiaj: no xorg files in X11 |
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| 00:42.38 | unclezipper | Hey #debian |
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| 00:43.15 | jason__ | is there a way to install .rpm in debian |
| 00:43.17 | jason__ | ? |
| 00:43.23 | unclezipper | These appear to be some sort of add-on cards for industrial computers... Anybody have any clues? http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/HS-774.HTM |
| 00:43.54 | unclezipper | jason__, look up alien |
| 00:44.26 | jason__ | unclezipper, i did that |
| 00:44.32 | jason__ | and i converted it to .deb |
| 00:44.41 | jason__ | then dpkg -i .deb file |
| 00:44.44 | jason__ | problem is it doesn't run |
| 00:44.58 | jason__ | it fails when i try to run it |
| 00:45.05 | unclezipper | What did you try to install and how are you invoking it |
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| 00:46.13 | Reelax | i set static DNS in resolv.conf but it changes when i restart the network . |
| 00:46.49 | jason__ | unclezipper, I tried to install NetExtender SonicWall client |
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| 00:47.08 | jason__ | after I installed it with dpkg |
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| 00:47.18 | jason__ | it shows up in the applications tab |
| 00:47.25 | jason__ | and I just click on it like i would any other application |
| 00:47.31 | Reelax | what should i do so it's fixed always ? |
| 00:47.48 | zykotick9 | Reelax: do you use N-M? |
| 00:47.56 | Reelax | yes |
| 00:48.09 | unclezipper | jason__: do a dpkg-query -L <package> |
| 00:48.10 | themill | Reelax: with dhcp or a static ip? |
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| 00:48.26 | somiaj | DrFoo: well I would like to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when you ran startx, oh wait you should also stop your display manager, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop |
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| 00:48.36 | unclezipper | That will list all the files installed with the package. Double check and be sure that the shortcut in your menu points to a valid file |
| 00:48.42 | somiaj | DrFoo: after you do that run startx as your normal user |
| 00:48.48 | jason__ | The error I get is that there was a 'problem loading the JNI library and it tellls me that I should reinstall net extender and make sure i have a compatible version of java installed. at least 1.4 or higher, which shouldn't be happenig as i have 1.6 already installed |
| 00:49.12 | DrFoo | somiaj: I need to get my dns set... it was so easy before... now it's a pain |
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| 00:49.31 | Lady_Aleena | goes afk for a few moments. |
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| 00:50.32 | jason__ | unclezipper, it says that the package is not installed |
| 00:50.35 | jason__ | which is odd |
| 00:50.45 | ice9 | I'm used to Ubuntu and new to Debian and I need to understand the paradigm behind "stable" and how things get tested and why it's takes long time to releases upgrades? |
| 00:51.34 | unclezipper | jason__, Hm... Might be that the program is expecting some of its dependencies in a Redhat-specific location |
| 00:52.23 | unclezipper | I don't know what to tell you about the package not being installed, according to dpkg-query... Try installing it again, to be sure? |
| 00:52.33 | jason__ | ive done it twice |
| 00:52.44 | jason__ | I don't get any errors or anything when i dpkg -i it |
| 00:52.53 | Reelax | themill: i use DHCP for my IP |
| 00:53.43 | unclezipper | jason__, I'm clueless |
| 00:53.44 | themill | Reelax: so you need to either configure your dhcp server to send the dns servers that you want, or configure your dhcp client to ignore the dhcp server and use other servers instead. |
| 00:53.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Reelax about override dns |
| 00:54.05 | unclezipper | Sorry. That's about as much as I can tell you without being there |
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| 00:56.17 | Reelax | themill: i wanna override the dns in my debian box (personal PC) |
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| 00:56.57 | unclezipper | ice9: Think of it like a multi-stage water filter |
| 00:57.40 | ice9 | unclezipper: but it takes too long time, now there is linux version 3.14 and wheezy is using 3.2 |
| 00:57.57 | ice9 | unclezipper: I assume this the same issue for applications too |
| 00:58.37 | unclezipper | ice9: Debian wants to make sure that its main release is very stable because, not only is it a good idea, but it's the base for alot of other distros. From Sid(unstable), to Jessie(Testing) different kernel versions, application and software libraries and other various odds and ends are tried out |
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| 00:59.37 | unclezipper | ice9: It's not so much about staying up to date, it's about developing an extremely stable system. That takes alot of time and testing |
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| 01:00.31 | unclezipper | You can get Debian Jessie if you want a newer kernel and, perhaps, other software at the expense of having a slightly less stable system. Personally though, I've never had a problem with Jessie |
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| 01:00.49 | somiaj | DrFoo: I'm not finding a clear way to modify the dns via network managers command 'nmcli', 'nmcli con mod connenction_name ipv4.dns "8.8.8.8"' is the closest I can find, but I wouldn't know what your connenction_name is |
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| 01:01.38 | ice9 | unclezipper: what about a bug like the heartbleed it was there for more than 2 years and nobody knows, so only debian get testing for stability and not security issues? |
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| 01:02.32 | unclezipper | ice9: Some things just slip through the cracks, nothing is perfect and Debian is no exception |
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| 01:04.16 | somiaj | DrFoo: nmcli con list -- that should list all your connenctions |
| 01:04.21 | rhodric_ | ice9: When security issues are found in the stable distribution they are fixed; however, just because there are issues (this goes for any software) doesn't mean they are publicly known. |
| 01:04.43 | unclezipper | That's a risk you take with any OS |
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| 01:06.09 | ice9 | so now sid is under testing, how long it supposed to take for testing until it released as stable? |
| 01:06.29 | dvs | ice9: sid is never testing |
| 01:06.31 | unclezipper | As rhodric_ said, security issues aren't taken lightly. Lots of important services trust Debian to be secure and reliable. When Heartbleed was announced, a fix was in the repos the next morning(or sooner, but that's when I noticed it) |
| 01:06.53 | rhodric_ | Sid is always unstable |
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| 01:07.02 | ice9 | unclezipper: yeah fix was very fast |
| 01:07.10 | unclezipper | Jessie is testing... And I hate that I can't give a better answer than this, but it will take as long as it takes |
| 01:07.17 | ice9 | jessie yes |
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| 01:07.19 | rhodric_ | but eventually Jessie will move to stable and we'll get a new testing name |
| 01:07.56 | ice9 | so when Debian moves a version from testing to stable does that mean there is no open bugs at all for that version? |
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| 01:10.01 | somiaj | ice9: release-critical bugs only |
| 01:10.09 | somiaj | ice9: and that are reported at that time |
| 01:11.01 | DrFoo | I need to set my DNS via /etc/network/interfaces Can someone show me their listing? |
| 01:11.36 | rhodric_ | If you are interested in development or the development cycle you may be interested in checking out the developer reference on the Debian site. There's lots of good information: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.html |
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| 01:16.29 | icewewe | What's the correct procedure to have the changelog for a package updated? should I open a bug? |
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| 01:16.58 | somiaj | DrFoo: http://paste.debian.net/93055/ -- that is mysetup, then I manually edit my /etc/resolv.conf file. If you want to set it with the interfaces file you will need an additional package like openresolv |
| 01:17.01 | martianlobster | I am trying to get a dlink deb-e100 to work with debian. I did the modprobe usbnet; modprobe asix; and I can see the device with dmesg. Can someone tell me how to configure /etc/network/interfaces? So far google isn't my friend. |
| 01:17.28 | somiaj | DrFoo: if you stop network-manager it will not overwrite your settings in the resolv.conf file |
| 01:17.32 | icewewe | martianlobster: are you trying to configure it for dynamic or static? |
| 01:17.48 | DrFoo | somiaj: How do I stop it.. it's awful |
| 01:18.00 | DrFoo | debian is not keeping things simple |
| 01:18.06 | martianlobster | icewewe: I would prefer static, but I would settle for dynamic |
| 01:18.27 | DrFoo | 7 is a trainwreck |
| 01:19.06 | icewewe | martianlobster: I sent you some PMs, not sure if you got them or not |
| 01:19.21 | icewewe | martianlobster: that's the config I use on my debian box for a static address |
| 01:19.24 | martianlobster | ok I say them |
| 01:19.58 | martianlobster | I have 3 onboard nic's which seem to be broken, eth0 -> eth2 |
| 01:20.16 | martianlobster | So I guess I should configure the deb-e100 as eth3 |
| 01:20.29 | icewewe | martianlobster: do they work with a liveCD? ie., are you sure it isn't a module/firmware issue? |
| 01:20.31 | DrFoo | Surely someone who's using deb 7 as a server knows how to set the dns from a command line.. |
| 01:20.36 | icewewe | martianlobster: you can use udev rules to rename interfaces |
| 01:20.56 | martianlobster | icewewe: I think the nic chips are defective |
| 01:21.02 | martianlobster | they were working a week ago |
| 01:21.11 | martianlobster | then the broke after I moved the machine |
| 01:21.20 | martianlobster | they were always flakey |
| 01:21.23 | icewewe | martianlobster: I'll shoot you a udev rule you can use to renumber interfaces |
| 01:21.30 | martianlobster | only worked with certain cables, and certain switches |
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| 01:22.23 | icewewe | martianlobster: if you install that as a udev rule then the deb-e100 should always show up as eth0 |
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| 01:23.20 | martianlobster | how do I get the hardware address for the usb stick? |
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| 01:23.43 | icewewe | martianlobster: if it's plugged in right now use ifconfig or 'ip addr show' |
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| 01:26.04 | martianlobster | icewewe: hmmm, it just magically started working |
| 01:26.10 | martianlobster | I didn't do anything |
| 01:26.15 | martianlobster | I was sitting here typing |
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| 01:26.32 | martianlobster | lol |
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| 01:26.47 | b0t | Hello, I'm trying for hours with irc bot in unreal, I can not fix this error |
| 01:26.47 | martianlobster | the tech gods have a strange sense of humor |
| 01:26.50 | icewewe | martianlobster: are these onboard NICs or cards? |
| 01:26.57 | icewewe | martianlobster: sounds like you need to do some hardware debugging |
| 01:27.03 | b0t | Hello, I'm trying for hours with irc bot in unreal, I can not fix this error ---_> https://dpaste.de/AJRS |
| 01:27.05 | martianlobster | I have 3 busted onboard nics |
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| 01:27.23 | icewewe | martianlobster: what motherboard do you have that has 3 onboard NICs? |
| 01:27.44 | Release_ | hi all we are trying to install neostats on a debian box and gettin same error on perl missing while we installed it |
| 01:27.45 | Release_ | https://dpaste.de/AJRS |
| 01:27.52 | Release_ | this is a paste of error |
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| 01:29.25 | b0t | anybody here? |
| 01:29.57 | somiaj | DrFoo: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop like any other serveice |
| 01:30.09 | icewewe | b0t: it's a public IRC channel, slow response times and/or being completely ignored is par for the course |
| 01:30.47 | b0t | ok im wait |
| 01:30.49 | b0t | thank |
| 01:31.05 | icewewe | Release_: the file libneostats.so doesn't contain a reference to SSLv2_client_method which is required |
| 01:31.25 | Release_ | ssl is installed icewewe |
| 01:31.27 | icewewe | Release_: so you need to either recomiple the library to include SSLv2 support (which honestly is so deprecated I wouldn't even bother) |
| 01:31.38 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 01:31.52 | icewewe | Release_: yeah, the error is that ../lib/.libs/libneostats.so doesn't contain a reference to SSLv2_client_method |
| 01:32.06 | martianlobster | icewewe: sorry for the long delays |
| 01:32.12 | Release_ | hm is there a workaround ? |
| 01:32.16 | martianlobster | my computer is on the otherside of the house |
| 01:32.18 | icewewe | Release_: so, either recompile that library to include support for SSLv2, or as I was going to say, see if you can compile it with TLS support anyway because SSLv2 is deprecated |
| 01:32.22 | icewewe | martianlobster: that's fine |
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| 01:32.37 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 01:32.41 | icewewe | Release_: yes, the workaround is to recompile libneostats.so with SSLv2 support, or to disable SSLv2 support entirely |
| 01:32.57 | icewewe | Release_: I have never worked with this software before though, so I cannot tell you how to do that |
| 01:33.02 | icewewe | Release_: it's probably in the configure options |
| 01:33.13 | Release_ | ok ill look at it |
| 01:33.18 | martianlobster | icewewe: it is an asus |
| 01:33.24 | martianlobster | I can't find the model number |
| 01:33.26 | martianlobster | hold on |
| 01:33.40 | icewewe | martianlobster: huh, I've seen high-end Asus boards with two NICs but three, that's new |
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| 01:34.34 | martianlobster | icewewe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132003 |
| 01:35.04 | martianlobster | icewewe: the nics are crap |
| 01:35.09 | martianlobster | fussy as heck |
| 01:35.13 | martianlobster | never worked well |
| 01:35.15 | icewewe | martianlobster: looks new enough to still be under warranty, maybe |
| 01:35.26 | martianlobster | it is probably |
| 01:35.27 | icewewe | martianlobster: Asus has a pretty long warranty on motherboards, or at least they used to |
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| 01:35.35 | martianlobster | I am sue it i |
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| 01:35.43 | martianlobster | but I can't make do without this server |
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| 01:35.57 | martianlobster | can they send me a new one while I use the old one?LOL |
| 01:35.58 | icewewe | martianlobster: understood, sucks a bunch though |
| 01:36.07 | martianlobster | oh ye, this sucks bigtime |
| 01:36.09 | martianlobster | lol |
| 01:37.02 | martianlobster | I should p;robably contant newegg or asus, and ask about a replacement |
| 01:37.20 | icewewe | martianlobster: definitely |
| 01:37.20 | martianlobster | maybe they would be decent, and send me one, while I use the partially working one |
| 01:37.53 | icewewe | martianlobster: I think Asus might have an advance replacement RMA program where you exchange your CC info for the promise you'll send them back the defective one |
| 01:38.11 | unclezipper | Rolling again... any of you guys know if this could be used in a desktop? http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/HS-774.HTM |
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| 01:38.17 | icewewe | martianlobster: seagate, wd, et al have the same thing, they charge you $10 for prepaid shipping back |
| 01:38.29 | martianlobster | $10 is no big deal |
| 01:38.37 | martianlobster | the specs say dual nics |
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| 01:38.47 | martianlobster | but there are 3 nic ports on the board |
| 01:38.49 | martianlobster | LOL |
| 01:39.06 | icewewe | unclezipper: maybe? you could ask their CSRs if it can be used standalone |
| 01:40.05 | icewewe | unclezipper: any particular reason you want that over say, this? http://compulab.co.il/products/sbcs/sbc-ipc/ |
| 01:40.15 | DrFoo | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/93057/ |
| 01:40.17 | unclezipper | icewewe: I was trying to not wait until the morning :P |
| 01:41.06 | unclezipper | icewewe: Just the convenience of already having an enclosure with HDD bays that it will look nice in |
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| 01:41.35 | unclezipper | Plus, who would think to look inside of your computer for a second computer |
| 01:41.46 | icewewe | unclezipper: that thing is going to be a pain to mount IMO |
| 01:42.20 | icewewe | unclezipper: I personally own a SBC-IPC so I could answer any questions if you're interested |
| 01:42.28 | icewewe | unclezipper: (am not totally unbiased in recommending it) |
| 01:42.34 | unclezipper | icewewe: Yeah... it does look a little bulky, doesn't it |
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| 01:43.06 | DrFoo | somaij: IM me if you want me to do anything more, I'm going to step away and get some food. |
| 01:43.10 | icewewe | unclezipper: they're pretty much the same dimensions, I don't think you can get it much smaller than that |
| 01:43.14 | DrFoo | somiaj: Thank you for all your help! |
| 01:43.20 | icewewe | unclezipper: unless you pick up a NUC |
| 01:43.27 | icewewe | unclezipper: but IIRC those don't have many SATA connections |
| 01:43.38 | unclezipper | Ah, that would be a no-go |
| 01:44.06 | unclezipper | Here, I'll message you... don't want to end up hijacking the channel |
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| 01:45.54 | somiaj | DrFoo: just hilight my name in the channel when you get back, sorry network-manager is a pain, but when ya get back maybe someone can look at your Xorg.0.conf log and figure out why it isn't loading |
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| 01:46.28 | DrFoo | somiaj: will do, thanks again |
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| 01:48.35 | jarkko_ | guys i got .log file, can i easily remove lines from the file using grep? |
| 01:48.48 | jarkko_ | the log is so huge that i want to remove lines |
| 01:48.51 | dvs | jarkko_: grep [-v |
| 01:48.58 | dvs | jarkko_: grep -v |
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| 02:01.41 | T60p | > DOes anyone know how to fix this? THe first two letters of every sentence I type come out as capitalized because XOrg is slow to turn the capslock off. Does anyone know which version of Debian has this problem? I think maybe I got a bad Live USB, I tested the usb I used to install my OS on this machine on another computer and I still get the same capslock error. |
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| 02:02.51 | somiaj | T60p: you'll have to see what version that bug is fixed in xorg and most likely wait for that version to get into debian |
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| 02:03.56 | somiaj | T60p: do you happen to have that bugreport from xorg about this still (the link) |
| 02:04.14 | T60p | somiaj: I am on X.Org X Server 1.12.4 |
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| 02:04.39 | T60p | somiaj: I don't have the link on me, but I'll go look for it |
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| 02:05.37 | T60p | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27903 |
| 02:05.41 | Reelax | themill: i asked how to use static DNS in my debian box, you answered "you need to use static dns in your system " ! |
| 02:05.44 | T60p | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56491 |
| 02:06.08 | themill | Reelax: no, I told you how to configure it... |
| 02:06.24 | T60p | People have told me that I cannot do anything about this |
| 02:06.28 | themill | [10:53] <themill> Reelax: so you need to either configure your dhcp server to send the dns servers that you want, or configure your dhcp client to ignore the dhcp server and use other servers instead. |
| 02:07.06 | Reelax | "or configure your dhcp client to ignore the dhcp server and use other servers instead." this is what i need, but how ? |
| 02:07.36 | Reelax | i already edit resolv.conf and it rolls back after i restart N-M |
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| 02:08.02 | Reelax | the default debian program visible on the top right on the desktop |
| 02:11.16 | T60p | somiaj: I left the two possible links above. |
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| 02:12.00 | somiaj | T60p: yea looking at them, (: I have to be really realy qucik between hitting caps lock and hitting a key for it to effect me, as if I am almost hitting the keys at the same time. |
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| 02:13.11 | T60p | somiaj: Forgive my incompetance, but how are you testing the bug? |
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| 02:13.17 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 02:13.38 | somiaj | T60p: trying to type with using my Caps Lock Key |
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| 02:13.47 | themill | Reelax: what dpkg told you |
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| 02:13.55 | themill | editing resolv.conf is not the way to do this |
| 02:14.01 | johnfg | I was gonna play Captain American dvd, but the system isn't recognizing it. I was hoping to use movie player. |
| 02:14.04 | T60p | somiaj: BUt how did you apply the bug to your system? |
| 02:14.08 | johnfg | Any ideas what I can do? |
| 02:14.22 | somiaj | T60p: I didn't apply it to my system, I was trying to see if it was in my system. |
| 02:14.23 | T60p | WIndows: This, GNU/Linux: THis |
| 02:14.36 | T60p | Oh |
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| 02:15.29 | somiaj | T60p: looks like there is a fix in that bugreport you linked me for version 1.12 |
| 02:15.36 | somiaj | T60p: you just need to modify your keymap |
| 02:15.48 | T60p | How would I do that |
| 02:15.52 | Reelax | themill: can you say it again ? |
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| 02:17.30 | somiaj | T60p: see comment #27 and comment #36 |
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| 02:18.01 | T60p | somiaj: sorry for which link? |
| 02:18.18 | Reelax | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.42 | somiaj | T60p: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27903#c27 |
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| 02:19.31 | T60p | somiaj: Alright, I hope I don't break anything |
| 02:20.01 | somiaj | T60p: this only effects your session, you first make a config file, you will then need to load tha config file each time you load x |
| 02:20.10 | somiaj | T60p: so if it doens't work, you can just restart x |
| 02:20.16 | somiaj | well breaks anything to badly |
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| 02:21.20 | T60p | I can't run: edit my_xkbmap, output is: unknown mime-type then it says no "edit" mailcap rules |
| 02:21.56 | somiaj | Reelax: what do you mean by DNS, the nameserver you are using or the a static ip value for your network card so the dns resolves to the correct ip? |
| 02:22.22 | somiaj | T60p: because you dont' want to use the command edit, he means use your faviorte text editor, such as vim or nano |
| 02:22.32 | T60p | oh, thanks |
| 02:22.59 | Reelax | somiaj: ip address of the DNS servers , like google 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:24.21 | somiaj | Reelax: I belive you can configure network-manager to use a set DNS setting over getting it form dhcp. |
| 02:24.44 | somiaj | Reelax: another method is configure dhclient to use a paticular DNS or not request one, you can do that in the dhclient config file |
| 02:25.12 | somiaj | Reelax: or y ou could install some package like openresolv and use it to manager your resolv.conf file again you would have to configure it to use a specific nameserver ip |
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| 02:26.08 | T60p | Ha! Yes! It's been fixed. Testing This This This This |
| 02:26.18 | T60p | AaAaAaAaAaAa |
| 02:26.56 | somiaj | T60p: you will have to reload that every time you run X, since you have the keyboard map, just need to run 'xkbcomp my_xkbmap $DISPLAY' automatically when you run X |
| 02:27.20 | T60p | So should I add that to autostart.sh |
| 02:28.52 | somiaj | the method will depend on your de and how you run X, but if that is a script that is run by that, then sure |
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| 02:29.02 | somiaj | I don't know such a script autostart.sh |
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| 02:31.49 | Reelax | somiaj: it was in a weird place unline DNS settings in windows :P |
| 02:31.57 | Reelax | i got it now :) |
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| 02:32.20 | T60p | somiaj: do you know of any other methods |
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| 02:32.57 | somiaj | T60p: it depends on how you run your xsession. That script sounds promising if you are using a major DE and that is it's strat up script (I don't use them so I don't really know) |
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| 02:33.28 | somiaj | T60p: what de/wm do you use and how to you load X (from a display manager or startx) |
| 02:34.15 | T60p | wait sorry, brb |
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| 02:35.34 | zophy | is the heartbleed bug a real thing ? |
| 02:35.46 | ProfessorBacon | yes. |
| 02:35.51 | dvs | stels zophy's password |
| 02:35.55 | ProfessorBacon | see?? |
| 02:35.58 | zophy | shooot |
| 02:37.00 | zophy | i hope the expose of my poverty doesn't cause the collapse of civilatsion as we know it |
| 02:37.25 | zophy | 'cause it's big enough to do it |
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| 02:38.34 | T60p | somiaj: Could you please throw me that command again? |
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| 02:40.14 | chocolate | How to install wireless tools on Debian text mode |
| 02:40.42 | chocolate | Nevermind |
| 02:40.44 | chocolate | Hahaha |
| 02:40.46 | dvs | ,v wicd |
| 02:40.47 | judd | Package: wicd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.7.2.4-4; jessie: 1.7.2.4-4.1; sid: 1.7.2.4-4.1 |
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| 02:42.11 | T60p | somiaj: nvm got it |
| 02:42.23 | zophy | how much poverty would it take to destroy our planet ? |
| 02:42.25 | zophy | wait, this is #debian |
| 02:42.25 | zophy | sorry for the digression :) |
| 02:42.26 | zophy | is there a debian bugtrack about heartbleed ? |
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| 02:51.26 | T60p | somiaj: thanks for helping me out, I just have to figure out a way to fix this everytime I boot up. For some reason I have to go through all three of the steps. I can't just run that last command or else THis will happen |
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| 03:09.31 | abrotman | josvuk: use alis to figure that out |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | josvuk: /msg alis help |
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| 03:11.57 | vl4kn0 | Hi, I'd like to try debian xfce live cd, but my wifi is not working. I tried installing firmware-iwlwifi and modprobing the module, then restarting both networking and network-manager services yet I can't get the wifi working. Any ideas? |
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| 03:16.13 | somiaj | vl4kn0: lets see if you loaded the firmware correctly, 'dmesg | grep firmware' or '/sbin/ifconfig -a' |
| 03:16.23 | somiaj | vl4kn0: do you see that the firmware loaded and a name for your wireless device? |
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| 03:17.07 | vl4kn0 | somiaj: let me reboot again since I'm not currently in the debian |
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| 03:20.58 | vl4kn0 | okay, I'm on the livecd, I installed firmware-iwlwifi and modprobed the iwlwifi module. what to do now? |
| 03:21.08 | Reelax | themill: sorry i didnt notice dpkg message :((( Thanks ! |
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| 03:24.58 | somiaj | vl4kn0: now we need to configure your network, lets frist see if the module loaded corerctly |
| 03:25.11 | somiaj | vl4kn0: 'dmesg | tail' -- that should be your last actions, do you see the device loading the firmware |
| 03:25.30 | somiaj | vl4kn0: '/sbin/ifconfig -a' do you see the device listed there, most common is to call it 'wlan0' |
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| 03:27.46 | vl4kn0 | somiaj: somehow it started working, I rmmoded iwlwifi and modprobed it again and now it works |
| 03:28.29 | DrFoo | somiaj: I'm back, if you're still free |
| 03:28.57 | somiaj | vl4kn0: good to hear |
| 03:29.06 | mach | I just made a backup of my database |
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| 03:29.17 | somiaj | DrFoo: so do the following, '/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop' stop your display manager, then run 'startx' |
| 03:29.20 | mach | is it just coincidental that it is the exact same size as the one from January? |
| 03:29.27 | vl4kn0 | somiaj: thanks anyway, I might be back when I decide to install debian and the wifi will not work |
| 03:29.33 | mach | I guess I could run a diff to this 18GB DBs? |
| 03:29.47 | somiaj | vl4kn0: once you realize you need that non-free firmware package it should all work just fine |
| 03:30.03 | mach | lol... I got a "memory exhausted" |
| 03:30.11 | somiaj | mach: maybe md5sum so you don't actually have to compare the two files insides, just the sum |
| 03:30.26 | mach | that's what I was doing and it was taking forever |
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| 03:31.14 | somiaj | yea gonna be a long sum on 18gigs |
| 03:31.18 | mach | lol |
| 03:31.27 | mach | my son can add faster than that ;) |
| 03:31.46 | DrFoo | somiaj: well I did it as root (mistakenly), and it worked. When I do that with my user, I get "Oh No! Something has gone wrong." |
| 03:32.12 | somiaj | DrFoo: create a dummy usern 'adduser testuser' and then try to do it as that user, lets see if it just something wonky with your user config |
| 03:32.58 | DrFoo | somiaj: Just a little background.... I did that before and the test user worked, but then got corrupted on a future update. |
| 03:33.11 | DrFoo | somiaj: I'll try another test user |
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| 03:35.30 | DrFoo | somiaj: Yes, test2 works |
| 03:35.40 | melt7777 | try sha256 sum might be faster |
| 03:36.27 | DrFoo | somiaj: Even test1 works.... just my main user is broken |
| 03:36.34 | somiaj | DrFoo: so something is corrupting your files in /home -- I don't see how this is related to upgrades but to something the running system is doing. |
| 03:36.59 | somiaj | DrFoo: what desktop is this? You could just move the config files in your main users directory somewhereelse and reconfigure |
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| 03:37.44 | DrFoo | somiaj: I was running gnome fallback, but after the corruption I tried gnome 3/shell |
| 03:38.36 | DrFoo | somiaj: what files would prevent me from establishing a login? |
| 03:39.01 | somiaj | DrFoo: anyways on your test user since you have xorg up and running on a test user, can you just give me the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 03:43.16 | DrFoo | somiaj: test user: http://paste.debian.net/93073/ |
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| 03:46.42 | melt7777 | rawburt i drink a lot to forget all the memories |
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| 03:47.13 | somiaj | DrFoo: You do have more than just debian sources in there, I am not familar with them but they can effect your upgrades (espically when one is pinned so high) |
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| 03:48.00 | somiaj | DrFoo: but I do not see why upgrades of any types are corrupting user files, if you use gnome, I think there are directories lke $HOME/.gnome -- you can move them to say $HOME/.gnome-bak |
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| 03:49.38 | DrFoo | somiaj: here is another paste of my real user I think the first one I have was sudo, so root |
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| 03:49.50 | DrFoo | 93074 debian pastebin |
| 03:50.22 | arrith | is there a standard way to have different 'views' of a directory, basically excluding certain files and directories? this is to provide different virtual machines guests different files, some of them shared |
| 03:50.33 | somiaj | DrFoo: seems there a bunch of config directories gnome uses, http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults - that has a list of the hidden directories in $HOME to move as a backup and then see if that fixes your problem |
| 03:51.19 | somiaj | DrFoo: that command shoudl give the same output with all users (unless you change your sources and run apt-get update) |
| 03:52.01 | DrFoo | somiaj: OK, I'll give this a try tomorrow. It's late here and I have an early morning. Thanks again for your help |
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| 03:56.33 | Swabby | somiaj: you were helping with telnet earlier. i did a netstat -a and it doesn't show telnet is listening. Any ideas what may be causing it not to start? |
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| 03:57.48 | okee | Is this in the repos? http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/download2013.html Or the backports? I am having trouble finding it. |
| 03:58.10 | somiaj | Swabby: you were using some strange telnet program inside a dosemmu? |
| 03:59.15 | Swabby | somiaj: yeah |
| 03:59.21 | centrx | okee, Seems like it's not |
| 03:59.32 | Swabby | somiaj: it denies the connection like it's not even running though. |
| 03:59.51 | Swabby | somiaj: is there a decent log file to review for something like that? |
| 04:00.01 | okee | centrx> I would like to see it added to the Debian distribution. There is no tax software currently offered, which seems like a shortcoming. |
| 04:00.11 | somiaj | Swabby: if you do not have anything listening on the port then you have to figure out why the telnet server you are trying to run isn't working. I have no thoughts as it is inside dosemu |
| 04:00.45 | somiaj | okee: they way debian is released I don't think a useful version will be available. |
| 04:01.00 | somiaj | okee: for example to have gotten that into wheezy it would have had to been ready a few years ago. (: |
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| 04:01.19 | DrakkenWarr | swabby you could run a wireshark trap to see if telnet traffic is being passed when you start the program |
| 04:01.34 | Swabby | ssomiaj: do you think i would be better trying to get it to actually get to a login prompt first via telnet? |
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| 04:02.05 | okee | somiaj> I don't agree, and a testing version could be added or something for backports. |
| 04:02.10 | Swabby | DrakkenWarr: true..that seems like alot of effort though..i'm probably doing something stupid |
| 04:02.13 | somiaj | Swabby: I really don't understand yourset up enough to know what would be the best course of action. |
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| 04:02.35 | DrakkenWarr | You could find out pretty fast if you where, and wireshark traps are a freakin easy way to figure that out |
| 04:03.08 | Swabby | once telnetd is installed shouldn't it start answering connections immediately after inetd is restarted or? |
| 04:03.13 | centrx | okee, You can open RFP (Request for Package) or make a package yourself and find a sponsor/developer to hand it off to |
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| 04:03.45 | somiaj | okee: you can try to find a matianer to support such a package, I just dont' think the release cycle would effictivally make that useful, and as is you can just download that .tar.gz and run it form your $HOME dir |
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| 04:05.00 | okee | somiaj> I am reluctant to download things that don't come from the repos, backports, or at least a certification from someone that has tested it. Open Tax Solvers seems like a reasonable package to ad to the repos. |
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| 04:07.05 | somiaj | okee: then your options are package it yourself and find a sponsor or a debian matianer who would want to package it. I woudln't know much about either. |
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| 04:10.17 | Swabby | somiaj: I'm using a script like this for the incoming telnet sessions....the interesting thing however is i'm not even sure it's the right file for this system because it didn't exist after installing telnet... |
| 04:10.18 | Swabby | http://pastebin.com/uTj0x0kR |
| 04:10.31 | Swabby | i put this in /etc/xinetd.d |
| 04:11.12 | somiaj | Swabby: telnet is just the client, you need to install a server (though I thought your server was some dosemmu app) |
| 04:12.21 | somiaj | Swabby: telnetd is the mane of the etlnet server package |
| 04:12.55 | Swabby | somiaj: telnetd is installed, shouldn't it answer requests and provide a login prompt by default? |
| 04:13.24 | somiaj | Swabby: I would think so, ps fax, do you see the service telnetd running? |
| 04:14.37 | Swabby | checking now |
| 04:14.44 | Swabby | here's my other script..this is suppose to "start" the session |
| 04:14.45 | Swabby | http://pastebin.com/8ya2j5JS |
| 04:15.07 | Swabby | telnetd is not running |
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| 04:16.03 | somiaj | Swabby: /etc/init.d/telnetd start -- does that start it? |
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| 04:16.30 | Swabby | file's not there. |
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| 04:19.47 | somiaj | Swabby: hmm, well the binary is called in.telnetd maybe /usr/share/doc/telnetd will say how to set it up. you could also just try to run /usr/sbin/in.telnetd directly and see if it just runs. I haven't used a telnet server in years |
| 04:19.59 | Swabby | i'm running apt-get upgrade..looks like i'm missing some packages. |
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| 04:32.29 | x86_128 | how do i avoid risking my system when updating from stable (7.x) -> stable (8.x) if it comes the time. |
| 04:32.32 | x86_128 | when* |
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| 04:34.05 | centrx | x86_128, Make a backup of important files. That's always the way to avoid risk |
| 04:34.18 | centrx | x86_128, Otherwise, it should just work fairly flawlessly |
| 04:35.16 | somiaj | x86_128: make sure you have 'wheezy' in your sources.list and not 'stable' which is what is suggested |
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| 04:35.59 | somiaj | that way it won't automatically upgrade and you can upgrade when you have the time and after you read the release notes |
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| 05:29.44 | chocolate | I have chrooted Debian inside android and installed aircrack, but it doesn't mount the interface wlan0 on monitor mode... I guess because driver issue, if I am right, how to install the wireless card bcm4334 of my phone on my debian system? e |
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| 05:35.31 | z8z | what apt-mirror provides better than normal ftp copy of a debian packare repository folders? |
| 05:35.38 | z8z | *package |
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| 05:39.27 | jelly-home | chocolate: build the driver for your non-debian-provided kernel, you'll have to acquire the headers matching the exact build |
| 05:43.21 | jelly-home | chocolate: however, building stuff for android kernels is not really a debian-related issue, you might have more luck in an android-related channel |
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| 05:48.22 | chocolate | Okay thx |
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| 06:34.10 | ivanshmakov | BTW, is there some list of Debian packages depending on libssl1.0.0 /and/ vulnerable to the heartbleed bug because of that? |
| 06:34.16 | rigo | hi. tightvncserver does not start at boot. im not sure there is a difference between debian and ubuntu in this case. but i followed this guide. to be more specific i created the chmod +x /etc/init.d/vncserver file and paste contents from the "guide" worked before on ubuntu |
| 06:34.18 | rigo | http://askubuntu.com/questions/120973/how-do-i-start-vnc-server-on-boot |
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| 06:34.50 | rigo | i just dont know where i can find the logfile i need |
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| 06:37.01 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/kasubuhese.pl hello, i am having a problem where when i close the lid to my laptop or leave it for an extended period of time, network-manager says all the network interfaces are unmanaged until i restart the network-manager service. i found this error in /var/log/pm-powersave.log i think might be related, see hastebin |
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| 06:42.44 | rigo | if i do "service vncserver start" it starts. weird. |
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| 06:43.34 | shingouz | rigo: you need to tell the init system to actually run the file at boot, just having the script does nothing |
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| 06:44.07 | rigo | i tought (and it worked on other systems) the contents of the /etc/init.d starting automatically if theyre set to +x |
| 06:44.54 | shingouz | rigo: and i have noticed it is not so in debian |
| 06:45.07 | jelly-home | rigo: which other systems? SysVinit would not run those automatically unless linked in /etc/rc?.d/ with a S* name |
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| 06:45.41 | mepl | We updated openssl on our server the day of the Heartbeat discovery. Today we have yet another urgency 5 update to apply to openssl. What is the later for? |
| 06:45.58 | mepl | openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
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| 06:46.09 | rigo | i c. same on me :) where to tell the system to autostart the vnc? alldo im not sure i want to autostart it since this is a DNS320 nas. i dont want to waste resources if not neccesary.. |
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| 06:46.14 | jelly-home | mepl: aptitude changelog openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 |
| 06:46.36 | rigo | jelly-home: i used ubuntu as small homeserver before. |
| 06:47.08 | jelly-home | rigo: ubuntu uses a different init subsystem. |
| 06:47.14 | rigo | and since ubuntu is built on debian (you know what i mean) i tought it is mostly the same. |
| 06:47.18 | rigo | i see. thanks for the info |
| 06:47.32 | rigo | so how to start the picked service automatically? |
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| 06:47.42 | shingouz | !tell rigo about services |
| 06:47.50 | rigo | :D |
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| 06:49.31 | neo1691 | I want to create a virtual lab on debian so I can do socket programming in Java, what is the best way of doing it? |
| 06:51.08 | z8z | which is better to locally mirror the package repos? ftpsync or apt-mirror? |
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| 06:52.54 | rigo | shingouz: i dont see the connection between port numbers and startup services |
| 06:54.42 | shingouz | rigo: hmm... ditto... how to make the services run is still valid, though |
| 06:54.44 | voxadam | I just installed Wheezy XFCE on an old netbook that I had laying around. Everything installed and worked as expected until I decided to upgrade it to sid, and add the contrib and non-free sources. I ran "aptitude update" just fine but when I ran "aptitude upgrade" it spent a few hours (I think, I left it and went out) only for me to come back and see "open: 238377; closed: 486288; defer: 33; |
| 06:54.45 | voxadam | confict: 51" and then "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'/ what(): std::bad_aloc". I've never tried to do such a large upgrade on a box that only has a single core 1.6 GHz Atom with 2 GB of memory. What could be causing such a crash? |
| 06:57.13 | chocolate | How can I compile my own driver to bcm4334 chipset over Debian Arm kernel ? |
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| 06:59.40 | voxadam | Hmmm... apt-get returns quickly and starts processing the upgrades. There must be some issue with the way aptitude calculates the dependancy graph that apt-get doesn't suffer from. |
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| 07:01.58 | jelly-home | chocolate: didn't you say you were running an android kernel and debian in just a chroot? |
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| 07:08.09 | [A3G1S] | Hey guys How can I make all traffic for a linux user go through a specific network interface ? |
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| 07:08.36 | Colloguy | is there some textbook or notes that describes windowing systems (like X Windows, Wayland, whatever they use on OS X) in general (i.e. that makes some effort to call out common features)? |
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| 07:13.07 | Vasistha | I have two different installations on a bootable usb key: a 64-bit and a 32-bit. Is it a bad idea for them to share a /boot partition? |
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| 07:20.41 | lionrouge | Hi |
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| 07:21.43 | lionrouge | I put my debian system hdd from a system with 2 eth. ports to a system with only one |
| 07:21.49 | lionrouge | And it calls it eth2 |
| 07:21.58 | lionrouge | How to fix it? |
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| 07:22.55 | Vasistha | I read about this just yesterday, I'll see if I can find the reference to it |
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| 07:24.07 | lionrouge | Ok ) |
| 07:24.33 | AndChat|185600 | How can I compile my own driver to bcm4334 chipset over Debian arm kernel? |
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| 07:25.20 | Vasistha | lionrouge: well I didn't find the thing I read yet, but this looks pretty nice actually: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/air/wiki/LogicalInterfaceNames |
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| 07:25.55 | Vasistha | lionrouge: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ifrename |
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| 07:26.16 | lionrouge | Thanks |
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| 07:26.42 | Vasistha | lionrouge: or without that you can use udev rules. I think I must have been reading about udev when I found that tip. |
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| 07:33.29 | Vasistha | chocolate: do you have the kernel headers? you'll need those |
| 07:33.57 | Vasistha | chocolate: also, is this a cross-compilation, or are you using debian on the arm machine and compiling there? |
| 07:34.19 | chocolate | I have no clue about how to start it |
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| 07:34.58 | Vasistha | how to start what? |
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| 07:35.36 | chocolate | Its chrooted Debian over cyanogen in galaxy s3 |
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| 07:36.10 | chocolate | My efforts now are used to run aircrack |
| 07:36.34 | chocolate | But seems I need that driver with support for injection |
| 07:36.35 | Vasistha | I am guessing you probably want to do your compiling on your regular computer then, rather than trying to use your phone to compile sources |
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| 07:37.49 | Vasistha | so you got debian installed on your phone? I was looking at the guide for that, it looks pretty nifty, you can run a webserver or whatever, and, well, seems like you have some fun projects in the pipeline! |
| 07:38.22 | chocolate | I do |
| 07:38.31 | chocolate | Its working fine everything |
| 07:38.46 | chocolate | I just cannot use aircrack properly |
| 07:38.55 | chocolate | Because of that issue |
| 07:39.14 | JaneSmith | chocolate does yhe hardware support packet injection? |
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| 07:40.00 | chocolate | And if you want a good way for that lildebi is a great app to avoid doing by hands |
| 07:40.01 | jelly-home | the cyanogen people would probably know more about rebuilding drivers for their kernel |
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| 07:41.44 | chocolate | In my poor knowledge by some hours reading I think any hardware support injection if you modify the driver for that |
| 07:41.53 | chocolate | JaneSmith |
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| 07:45.09 | Lewoco | How can I search for all packages that depend (either directly or indirectly) on a particular package? |
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| 07:46.19 | Lewoco | It seems (aptitude ~Dfoo) will only match packages that are directly dependent on foo... |
| 07:46.36 | jelly-home | Lewoco: what's your goal? |
| 07:47.00 | Lewoco | jelly-home, I want to see all json library c++ libraries sorted by popularity. |
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| 07:49.11 | jelly-home | Lewoco: dunno, but popcon might be a different approach, it shows (self-reported) installations instead of dependencies |
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| 07:49.19 | jelly-home | !popcon |
| 07:49.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
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| 07:49.35 | Lewoco | jelly-home, The popularity thing is less important. |
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| 07:50.31 | Lewoco | jelly-home, I expect there will only be a few packages that match the requirements I listed so I can just inspect popularity manually. |
| 07:50.42 | jelly-home | and you're probably looking to make a dependency graph then; build-dependency, actually |
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| 07:55.57 | xtzgg | hello! How can I force active a systemd service? I have ssh daemon on server, that I want to be constantly running and monitoring |
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| 07:56.46 | xtzgg | systemctl status ssh says: ssh.service - OpenBSD Secure Shell server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) |
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| 07:58.45 | Lewoco | xtzgg, Isn't that what it usually does so long as the service is enabled and started? |
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| 07:59.27 | xtzgg | Lewoco: No, I supposed it does this, but no. This is systemd enabled machine. I have other with initv. Both testing. |
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| 07:59.58 | Lewoco | xtzgg, So it doesn't start sshd when your machine starts? |
| 08:00.12 | xtzgg | Lewoco: I did: sysctrl ssh enable and it didnt help. I tried to update-rc.d --force ssh enable 2 ..,3,4,5 |
| 08:00.33 | xtzgg | Lewoco: It seems to start, but then it goes inactive |
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| 08:00.56 | Lewoco | xtzgg, What makes you think it's a problem with systemd? Maybe it's just a problem with sshd? |
| 08:01.03 | xtzgg | Lewoco: when I try to shh from android, this machine eats connections. But sysv machine accepts them. |
| 08:01.14 | jelly-home | where does 1.56canaima1 version of popcon come from? http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 08:01.29 | xtzgg | Lewoco: the machines are similar configured, there is only a password promt, there is just a ip forwarding on router to each machine |
| 08:02.15 | jelly-home | xtzgg: use #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net for questions about testing, esp. if you get no answer here |
| 08:02.15 | Lewoco | xtzgg, What do you mean by eats connections? |
| 08:02.57 | xtzgg | Lewoco: it seems I must enable socket "systemctl enable sshd.socket"... perhaps it will work. The idea, is that systemd is socket activated - no socket, no activation. |
| 08:03.14 | xtzgg | Lewoco: connections are refused. |
| 08:03.22 | xtzgg | jelly-home: thanks, I will do it |
| 08:03.43 | xtzgg | well, here goes a reboot |
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| 08:07.34 | DimmuR | Hello! what's status of openssl in debian wheezy (in relation to heartbeat bug)? |
| 08:09.24 | harmaahylje | DimmuR: it is fixed |
| 08:09.44 | harmaahylje | just upgrade it and restart all services using it |
| 08:10.10 | harmaahylje | DimmuR: for more information do: /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
| 08:10.52 | DimmuR | I've done that but i thought it would be 1.0.1f (i have 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6) - thanks for info |
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| 08:12.29 | user999 | hi, i have 6 usb ports and i suspect that only 2 of them are usb2.0 and that the rest are 1.1. how can i find out which one's which? |
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| 08:13.18 | harmaahylje | DimmuR: deb7u6 is fixed one |
| 08:13.31 | aum | hi - probably way OT, but can someone please advise me how to install TeamViewer on debian unstable amd64? |
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| 08:14.18 | DimmuR | user999, check this out https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB |
| 08:15.13 | DimmuR | harmaahylje, that's great :) i've read that in dpkg so they don't change number when security fix applied |
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| 08:17.32 | Lewoco | user999, You could check your motherboard manual. |
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| 08:17.55 | Lewoco | user999, Or you could try plugging a usb2 device in and checking the logs. |
| 08:19.02 | harmaahylje | DimmuR: they do change the package version |
| 08:19.35 | user999 | DimmuR: thanks, i will try some thing from that site. :) |
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| 08:26.25 | ryonaloli | if i have an encrypted /, how can i get dropbear + busybox set up if my IP is dynamic? |
| 08:26.35 | ryonaloli | the guides i see require that i put my ip address in grub, but my ip changes |
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| 08:28.19 | harmaahylje | ryonaloli: does some dyndns service work? |
| 08:28.40 | ryonaloli | i'm not the only one who'll have access though |
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| 08:29.56 | harmaahylje | ryonaloli: does it have to be ip, or is url fine? Like ryanaloli.redirecttomyipbitch.com |
| 08:30.23 | ryonaloli | harmaahylje: what i mean is, i can't have anything point to my *own* ip |
| 08:30.47 | harmaahylje | why? |
| 08:30.48 | ryonaloli | the server has to be able to accept connection from any ip (although of course it should still ask for ssh password) |
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| 08:31.20 | harmaahylje | it wouldn't affect that at all |
| 08:31.26 | ryonaloli | what do you mean? |
| 08:31.34 | linuxthefish | .ask |
| 08:31.35 | linuxthefish | !ask |
| 08:31.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:31.40 | linuxthefish | n1 |
| 08:31.53 | linuxthefish | !smart questions |
| 08:31.53 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 08:31.53 | harmaahylje | a service that you update your ip to when it changes |
| 08:31.59 | ryonaloli | but not everyone can use that service |
| 08:32.18 | harmaahylje | they don't have to |
| 08:32.22 | ryonaloli | what i want to be able to do is, simply "ssh root@somesite.com", it asks for the ssh password, then when it logs in to the busybox/dropbear it should ask for the LUKS password, upon which it starts booting |
| 08:32.29 | ryonaloli | wait, then how can a service update to my IP? |
| 08:32.31 | harmaahylje | it just points ryonaloli.url.com to your ip |
| 08:32.40 | harmaahylje | your box sends it to it |
| 08:32.43 | ryonaloli | how would it know my ip if i don't modify anything on my computer? |
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| 08:33.54 | harmaahylje | ryonaloli: you install their software, which updates your ip to their service when it changes |
| 08:33.57 | harmaahylje | go google some |
| 08:34.04 | ryonaloli | yeah, that's the thing, i *can't* do that |
| 08:34.21 | ryonaloli | because i can't demand the rest of the admins of this server install dydns software |
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| 08:34.30 | harmaahylje | zzzz |
| 08:34.42 | harmaahylje | they dont need any |
| 08:35.04 | ryonaloli | wait, do you mean install their software to the *server*, or to my *client*? |
| 08:35.10 | ryonaloli | it's only my client which changes, the server is static |
| 08:35.37 | harmaahylje | well I have no idea what you are doing, just tried to come up with a solution to a ip address that changes |
| 08:36.11 | ryonaloli | the only ip address that's changing is the client's. my confusion is that all the guides i see require that i tell grub in the *server* what ip will be used to decrypt it |
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| 08:36.50 | harmaahylje | http://www.noip.com/ |
| 08:37.03 | ryonaloli | is this for the *server* or the *client*? |
| 08:37.13 | harmaahylje | it is for *anything* |
| 08:37.22 | harmaahylje | I will stop answering you, google it yourself |
| 08:37.30 | ryonaloli | omg, i don't think you are understanding what i'm asking |
| 08:37.35 | ryonaloli | my server already has a url |
| 08:37.57 | ryonaloli | i tried googling it, but i'm asking here because all the guides are assuming both the server AND the client have a static ip, or are on an intranet |
| 08:39.09 | ryonaloli | ugh, well if someone else can help without telling me to use something like noip when i already have a url that points to my site, please do, because i'm quite confused |
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| 08:39.29 | harmaahylje | PLEASE, read the information on the site |
| 08:39.40 | ryonaloli | alright, i'm reading |
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| 08:40.37 | harmaahylje | it can point to YOUR ip |
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| 08:41.07 | ryonaloli | but i said i am not able to install anything to my client. this must work on computers which do not have some custom client installed. |
| 08:41.29 | ryonaloli | i know what you're trying to say, but it's not just that my ip changes, it's that my entire computer changes |
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| 08:42.03 | ryonaloli | one day it might have to be booted using a client here, then the next day by a totally different computer that i cannot install any noip client on |
| 08:42.04 | harmaahylje | sounds like mission impossible |
| 08:42.21 | ryonaloli | so there's no way to tell the server's grub to accept connections from any ip? |
| 08:42.39 | harmaahylje | I don't know about that. |
| 08:42.59 | ryonaloli | oh |
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| 08:43.15 | ryonaloli | welp |
| 08:43.46 | ryonaloli | is there a way to boot into an unencrypted root, then use kexec or something to boot into the encrypted root? |
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| 08:46.24 | bttttdsad | openssl is dead |
| 08:46.26 | bttttdsad | so is linux |
| 08:46.33 | bttttdsad | i heard open source dosent have holes? |
| 08:46.54 | ryonaloli | bttttdsad: it has less holes, it's not perfect |
| 08:47.01 | ryonaloli | and linux is not dead, openssl is not linux |
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| 08:47.23 | bttttdsad | linux is dead because it uses NSA software like SELinux |
| 08:47.57 | ryonaloli | SELinux is option |
| 08:47.59 | ryonaloli | *optinal |
| 08:48.02 | ryonaloli | *optional |
| 08:48.32 | bttttdsad | then windows is same secure like linux. on windows also many things are optional |
| 08:48.42 | DimmuR | bttttdsad, just don't use linux, problem solved |
| 08:48.43 | ryonaloli | ok now i feel you're just trolling |
| 08:48.47 | bttttdsad | for example, win7 connects on every boot with microsoft - but you can disable it |
| 08:48.51 | ryonaloli | use whatever you want |
| 08:48.53 | jelly | ryonaloli: he is. Ignore him until ops deal with it. |
| 08:49.03 | bttttdsad | ryonaloli, i dont know what i want |
| 08:49.05 | jelly | other channels banned him already |
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| 08:49.14 | gour | morning |
| 08:49.50 | bttttdsad | why is linux used by 1% of people? its free and great |
| 08:51.03 | gour | in last few months i've tried using free/pc-bsd-10 and although i like several aspects like ZFS, PBIs etc. i'll probably go back to debian (sid) soon. being emerged in freebsd, i did not notice that debian is going to switch to systemd. is it already working or recommended to use it in sid? |
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| 08:51.43 | jelly | gour: it's a work in progress, try it and see (for sid) |
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| 08:55.57 | Twinkletoes | I'm using iperf (2.0.5-3) and wheezy, and when running iperf with the bidirectional parameter (-r), the bidirectional part doesn't work... it shows on the server side about a gazillion Bytes/sec for the reverse test, and nothing on the client. IS there a problem with this? |
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| 08:57.24 | jelly | Twinkletoes: have you checked for firewall issues? The server wants to connect back to client in the opposite direction. |
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| 08:57.58 | Twinkletoes | jelly: I can run the test both ways manually if I set them both up with iperf -s |
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| 09:02.25 | jelly | Twinkletoes: weird |
| 09:02.41 | Twinkletoes | jelly: let me paste the output |
| 09:02.58 | jelly | Twinkletoes: are both endpoints on wheezy? |
| 09:03.09 | Twinkletoes | jelly: yup |
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| 09:03.48 | Twinkletoes | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bd2b2dbc/ |
| 09:03.54 | Lachezar | Hey all... I have a Socks proxy via SSH tunnel, but I need to put a HTTP proxy on top. It has to be HTTP proxy. Please advise. |
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| 09:04.12 | Twinkletoes | jelly: The non-printable chars in the server output are correct - they're non-printable in my terminal, too |
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| 09:05.44 | jelly | Twinkletoes: works for me. Are you sure you don't have a NAT in between and traffic is routable from 192.168.7.250 back to 10.0.157.134? |
| 09:05.57 | jelly | or a firewall or something |
| 09:06.09 | Twinkletoes | jelly: In this setup, it's connecting over a vpn tunnel (openvpn access server) |
| 09:06.28 | Twinkletoes | jelly: this is the client, direct to the server |
| 09:06.37 | Twinkletoes | Hmm... I wonder if I specify the vpn interface on the server it might help |
| 09:06.38 | jelly | Twinkletoes: try running a simple listener on the client, eg nc -l -p 5001, and telnet from the server back to 10.0.157.134 5001 |
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| 09:07.24 | nglpx1 | hi |
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| 09:09.23 | cromag | how do i, via command line, check the common name on a certificate from a remote server ? |
| 09:09.27 | nglpx1 | is there a command to list opened files from a process appending new files while opened (like tail -f) |
| 09:09.52 | nglpx1 | ? |
| 09:10.07 | DimmuR | check lsof |
| 09:10.41 | nglpx1 | I have checked but it terminates after listing |
| 09:10.54 | Lachezar | cromag: man s_client |
| 09:10.57 | Twinkletoes | jelly: that telnet thing workes |
| 09:12.11 | jelly | Twinkletoes: hm. that's weird. Does the server have a different IP address accessible via vpn? |
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| 09:13.26 | nglpx1 | I think strace |
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| 09:13.49 | Anuska | Hi, anyone know this error in wine? err:module:import_dll Library WLDAP32.dll |
| 09:14.08 | Twinkletoes | jelly: server has eth: 192.168.7.0/24, as0t0: 10.0.157.0/25, as0t1: 10.0.157.128/25 |
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| 09:14.50 | petern_ | Anuska, might be relevant: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=109631 |
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| 09:15.14 | Lachezar | cromag: basically: openssl s_client -connect <server>:<port> |
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| 09:15.29 | petern_ | (Not directly, of course) |
| 09:15.48 | Anuska | thanks petern_ : E: Unable to locate package lib32-libldap |
| 09:15.56 | Anuska | is not in repo |
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| 09:16.13 | engblom | Why does apt-get install gdm3 pull in the whole gnome? It looks like some kind of one way dependency as purging gnome-session will not remove gdm3. |
| 09:16.24 | petern_ | libwine-ldap - Windows API implementation - LDAP module |
| 09:16.29 | petern_ | maybe that |
| 09:16.40 | jelly | Twinkletoes: those are networks. you ought to be able to connect to its IP in 10.0.157.128/25, this is the same segment that the client gets |
| 09:17.03 | engblom | I would need to install gdm3 with as few dependencies as possible |
| 09:17.17 | petern_ | apt-get install gdm3 --no-install-recommends |
| 09:17.37 | Anuska | let me try petern_ |
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| 09:25.34 | sheepman | so i update the ssl library via apt all installs but openssl reports an old version and I'm still vulnerable apparently? |
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| 09:25.47 | sheepman | wheezy |
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| 09:26.06 | Anuska | petern_, ia32-libs-dev : Depends: ia32-libs (= 20140131) but 1:0.4 is to be installed |
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| 09:30.38 | sheepman | ok i'm confused, i have the latest openssl deb file installed yet my openssl version reports as old? |
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| 09:33.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell sheepman -about dsa2896 |
| 09:33.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell sheepman -about security backports |
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| 09:35.15 | sheepman | babilen: ok fine but I'm still bleeding data, I've tested. |
| 09:35.18 | sheepman | :/ |
| 09:35.34 | babilen | sheepman: Did you restart all services that use the old library? |
| 09:35.42 | sheepman | rebooted the box |
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| 09:35.57 | sheepman | unless.... two secs |
| 09:36.13 | babilen | sheepman: Okay, please show me the output of "apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0" on http://paste.debian.net along with your sources.list please |
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| 09:37.13 | babilen | sheepman: And also include that of "checkrestart" and "grep -l 'libssl.*deleted' /proc/*/maps | tr -cd 0-9\\n | xargs -r ps u" please |
| 09:38.14 | sheepman | http://paste.debian.net/93114/ |
| 09:39.21 | babilen | sheepman: You have some random third-party version installed |
| 09:39.37 | sheepman | i do? |
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| 09:40.54 | sheepman | babilen: where are you seeing that? |
| 09:41.16 | babilen | sheepman: Yes, 1.0.1e-3 did come from somewhere and is not on the mirrors. The latest in Debian and the one you should have is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 -- but let me double-check that. |
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| 09:42.05 | babilen | sheepman: Which is also why it is not listed with any mirror and is therefore a local install. |
| 09:42.06 | sheepman | dpkg returns this: |
| 09:42.06 | dpkg | wish i knew, sheepman |
| 09:42.07 | sheepman | ii openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 amd64 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools |
| 09:42.19 | babilen | sheepman: I am talking about libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:42.23 | sheepman | oh |
| 09:42.47 | sheepman | ok i have two installed? |
| 09:43.07 | sheepman | let me remove one |
| 09:43.43 | babilen | libssl1.0.0 is the actual library and the one that has to be updated. You also want it to be 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 which is the current version on http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ |
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| 09:44.10 | sheepman | ok I'll figure it thanks very much for your time |
| 09:44.12 | Lachezar | babilen: do you have debian-security in apt.sources? |
| 09:44.13 | sheepman | :) |
| 09:44.15 | babilen | No, don't remove openssl. You have libssl1.0.0 1.0.1e-3 installed (which I have no idea where it came from) |
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| 09:44.24 | sheepman | I removed 0.9.8 something |
| 09:44.37 | sheepman | presumably thats safe? |
| 09:44.44 | Lachezar | sheepman: do you have debian-security in apt.sources? |
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| 09:44.51 | babilen | Lachezar: Check the paste |
| 09:44.58 | sheepman | ^^ |
| 09:45.11 | stc | hi guys |
| 09:45.30 | Lachezar | Ah. Sorry. I have it as a file in sources.list.d |
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| 09:46.25 | stc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.49 | babilen | sheepman: You must have installed libssl1.0.0 from a different release or something at one point (manually or whatever) -- We would have to take a look at your /var/log/apt/history.log* to figure out what you did to it. Either way you want libssl1.0.0 to be 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 which is the current, and fixed, version on the mirrors |
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| 09:47.46 | sheepman | the odd thing is that according to apt history it is installed |
| 09:47.48 | granny | One question, where can I find the installation ISO for Debian testing (jessie)? |
| 09:48.16 | zophy | when unix runs out of time does it overflow to zero ? |
| 09:48.32 | babilen | sheepman: It will also not be "upgraded" because the version you have installed (1.0.1e-3) is larger than the one you want 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 -- this would not have happened without some explicit action on the side of the administrator and *you* must have at one point installed this version (and thereby missed out on numerous updates for the version in wheezy) |
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| 09:48.39 | Anuska | Hi, i have debian on x64 and wine give me a error: err:module:import_dll Library WLDAP32.dll |
| 09:49.25 | sheepman | babilen: i get it, but im confused to how this might of happened. |
| 09:49.26 | babilen | sheepman: It is installed, you just must have downloaded a version from testing or unstable or from *ANYWHERE* and installed it manually (or by adding testing/unstable into your sources.list) -- suffice to say doing so is neither supported nor a good idea. |
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| 09:49.58 | babilen | *have |
| 09:50.03 | zafu | hi, is there a way to start the sshd daemon earlier in the boot sequence? |
| 09:50.19 | babilen | zafu: It should start at precisely the right moment |
| 09:50.34 | babilen | zafu: It is a bit like a wizard in that regard |
| 09:50.43 | OpenTokix | zafu: The earliest is as a post-up for your network interface, but I think it does right nwo. |
| 09:50.59 | babilen | It should™, yeah |
| 09:51.49 | zophy | you can start the daemon whenever you like, but it might fail |
| 09:52.20 | babilen | sheepman: I would advise you to figure out who did install that version in the past and cluebat them about mixing stable with testing/unstable. For now you should download the 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 libssl1.0.0 from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libssl1.0.0 and install it manually with "dpkg -i ..." |
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| 09:52.46 | babilen | zophy: Which is clearly what zafu would like to achieve :D |
| 09:52.49 | babilen | (but true) |
| 09:52.51 | azathoth99 | if my network drops, how do I tell dhcp to like try again in debian 7.4 amd64? |
| 09:53.00 | babilen | zafu: Why would you want that? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:53.19 | sheepman | babilen: this is odd - http://paste.debian.net/93120/ |
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| 09:53.30 | sheepman | babilen: does that not mean it came from ftp.uk.debian.org ? |
| 09:53.46 | zophy | boy am i ever glad i never use openssl nor any other security in my computing realm |
| 09:54.13 | zophy | having a security breach is bad |
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| 09:55.31 | azathoth99 | security! |
| 09:55.33 | azathoth99 | its pisser! |
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| 09:55.51 | zophy | but i do use 2's complement and some grey code |
| 09:56.00 | azathoth99 | on redhat I would go service network restart, what is the debian equiv? |
| 09:56.44 | zophy | /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 09:57.01 | sheepman | or service networking restart |
| 09:57.21 | azathoth99 | are u messing with me? |
| 09:57.26 | azathoth99 | ha!! |
| 09:57.32 | sheepman | although that is depreciated apparently |
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| 09:58.03 | azathoth99 | oh ho!! |
| 09:58.16 | azathoth99 | whats the new incantation oh phaaandall??? |
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| 09:58.59 | babilen | sheepman: No, it does not. It simply show all installed version and the respective checksums from the respective file it was found it. (which does not necessarily apply to that version/pkg) |
| 09:59.22 | sheepman | hmm |
| 09:59.25 | moty66 | is there anyway that I can update the libssl in ethc? |
| 09:59.35 | babilen | azathoth99: New incantation? |
| 09:59.35 | moty66 | etch* |
| 09:59.37 | zophy | we can't discuss intercontinnental thermonuclear missle launch codes in public chat |
| 09:59.50 | babilen | moty66: haha, good one |
| 09:59.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell moty66 -about etch |
| 10:00.00 | zophy | efnet has those channels |
| 10:00.00 | OpenTokix | zophy: joshua |
| 10:00.18 | jelly | how about a nice game of chess, instead |
| 10:01.00 | babilen | zophy: Please don't - you should be quite aware of the rules |
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| 10:01.44 | zophy | babilen, i have a question for you |
| 10:02.03 | Anuska | :( |
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| 10:02.19 | Anuska | Hi, i have debian on x64 and wine give me a error: err:module:import_dll Library WLDAP32.dll |
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| 10:02.24 | sheepman | babilen: manual install fixed it so thank you, I'll carry on the detective work :) |
| 10:02.25 | jelly | moty66: why? |
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| 10:02.50 | babilen | sheepman: I would check for packages from releases you shouldn't have or that are in some inconsistent state. |
| 10:02.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell sheepman about not available |
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| 10:03.09 | babilen | sheepman: Also use "debsums" and "aptitude search '~o'" |
| 10:03.11 | moty66 | jelly: I don't know how can do that without dist-ugrade |
| 10:03.17 | babilen | zophy: hm? |
| 10:03.18 | jelly | moty66: I mean, etch is horribly, horribly old, but it does not contain this particular bug |
| 10:03.35 | sheepman | babilen: ok thanks |
| 10:03.42 | moty66 | jelly: so my old old server is not bleeding? |
| 10:03.55 | babilen | moty66: You really shouldn't track etch (or lenny or (soon) squeeze) anymore. |
| 10:03.56 | zophy | when the unix time function runs out of time does it overflow to zero ? |
| 10:04.00 | jelly | moty66: no. It has other remotely explaoitable bugs, but not heartbleed. |
| 10:04.05 | azathoth99 | gnu chess was great at short games but ruffian would beat it in longer like 3min games |
| 10:04.09 | babilen | moty66: No, you don't have that particular bug, but a million othersw |
| 10:04.10 | azathoth99 | in sprint it was awesome |
| 10:04.16 | moty66 | hehehe :) |
| 10:04.17 | jelly | moty66: surely you feel much safer now. |
| 10:04.24 | moty66 | not really |
| 10:04.25 | azathoth99 | I mean what is the spell to restart network that is NOT deprecated? |
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| 10:04.37 | babilen | azathoth99: "service networking restart" |
| 10:04.39 | Anuska | anyone know: libwine : Depends: ia32-libs (>= 20101012) but it is not going to be installed ? |
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| 10:04.48 | azathoth99 | someone said thats deprecated! |
| 10:04.50 | babilen | azathoth99: Disregard that message, it is misleading. |
| 10:04.56 | azathoth99 | ah |
| 10:04.56 | Anuska | ia32-libs is already the newest version. |
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| 10:05.38 | azathoth99 | anyone here get www.aidaweb.si going on debian? |
| 10:05.45 | azathoth99 | I added the ia32-libs |
| 10:05.49 | azathoth99 | and still no go |
| 10:05.51 | babilen | azathoth99: The problem with it is that "restart" somewhat applies "works the same as before with new config", whereas not all interfaces that have been active before will be brought up again but only those with "auto IFACE" as "restart" essentially runs "ifdown -a" followed by "ifup -a" |
| 10:05.52 | azathoth99 | kinda pissing me off |
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| 10:06.27 | azathoth99 | babilen: so do you restart with the command u gave? |
| 10:07.28 | babilen | azathoth99: I use that command if what is does is what I want to achieve, yes. Most often I use "ifdown IFACE" and "ifup IFACE" explicitly, but "service networking restart" is perfectly fine to use *if you want to do what it does* |
| 10:07.34 | azathoth99 | thank posiedon anubis and hastur for the lemon snapple mmmm mmm!!! although it seems impervious to cooling by ice cubes, only the glass gets cold n wet, the snapple seems only semi cold :( |
| 10:07.55 | azathoth99 | well earlier my dhcp died |
| 10:07.59 | azathoth99 | and I had to reboot |
| 10:08.00 | babilen | azathoth99: And my English teacher was very adamant about the fact that it is "you" not "u" as we are, in fact, nor learning Dutch. ;) |
| 10:08.01 | azathoth99 | like a tool |
| 10:08.28 | azathoth99 | ah english teachers, they are so amusing |
| 10:08.31 | babilen | azathoth99: I think your earlier message was sent in the wrong channel. |
| 10:09.11 | azathoth99 | they love to skip jack vance, eric frank russel, and fritz leiber, and had me read garbage like jane eire and the old man and the sea |
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| 10:10.25 | zophy | At 15:30:08 UTC on Sun, 4 December 292,277,026,596, 64-bit versions of the Unix time stamp will cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 64-bit number. This is not anticipated to pose a problem, as this is considerably longer than the time it would take the Sun to theoretically expand to a red giant and swallow the Earth. |
| 10:10.53 | babilen | zophy: Do you require help with a specific problem pertaining to Debian? |
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| 10:11.31 | azathoth99 | I tried skype earlier and pulseaudio trickery but it wouldnt let my mic work, and I could only hear my bud |
| 10:11.34 | azathoth99 | so annoying |
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| 10:11.50 | azathoth99 | pulseaudio what a stak of crap |
| 10:11.57 | azathoth99 | stared whinig me to death had to boot it |
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| 10:12.48 | zophy | what is multi-arch ? |
| 10:13.06 | azathoth99 | i saw all these SIP alterantives to skype, but what does that mean for my bro whos a windows guy? how can he use this sip protocall app on windows? windows client ?? |
| 10:13.16 | azathoth99 | I added the i386 arch stuff |
| 10:13.24 | azathoth99 | skype stil wouldnt run me mic |
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| 10:16.08 | Anuska | zophy, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 10:20.09 | azathoth99 | i guess if linux could do free phone calls to windows, the CIA would send assassins |
| 10:20.36 | petern_ | Plenty of SIP clients on Windows, yes. |
| 10:21.14 | azathoth99 | how hard it sip setup? |
| 10:21.20 | azathoth99 | on debian? |
| 10:22.00 | petern_ | Client or server? |
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| 10:24.42 | azathoth99 | s |
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| 10:25.28 | azathoth99 | and then c |
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| 10:27.05 | RoyK | azathoth99: for server, you need a sip switch or something like asterisk |
| 10:27.36 | azathoth99 | aw crap |
| 10:27.55 | azathoth99 | so nothing can send audio from my pc to yours? |
| 10:27.58 | azathoth99 | :( |
| 10:28.06 | azathoth99 | like save audio file |
| 10:28.09 | azathoth99 | ftp it over |
| 10:28.14 | azathoth99 | lod it into VLC |
| 10:28.16 | azathoth99 | play it |
| 10:28.22 | azathoth99 | but also one after other very fast |
| 10:28.26 | RoyK | azathoth99: there are lots of ways to stream audio |
| 10:28.54 | RoyK | and by "sip switch", I mean some software |
| 10:29.07 | RoyK | kamilio is good |
| 10:29.25 | RoyK | or freeswitch |
| 10:29.35 | RoyK | or perhaps asterisk if you really want to do that to yourself |
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| 10:31.18 | azathoth99 | i dont know all that!! |
| 10:31.33 | RoyK | well, it's just a matter of learning ;) |
| 10:31.34 | azathoth99 | maybe I should ask smalltalk people to abstract it all into nice gui client I can use |
| 10:31.39 | azathoth99 | need some abstraction |
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| 10:31.59 | abhvym | h |
| 10:32.01 | abhvym | hi |
| 10:32.04 | azathoth99 | yeah but my buddy isa goon, he probly wont even install the windows client |
| 10:32.16 | azathoth99 | oow oow u should get windows back n use skype free |
| 10:32.22 | azathoth99 | what a goon!! |
| 10:32.29 | abhvym | when i create live lso using live build what steps i have to take to auto connect wifi on boot other than installing the driver and make it load at boot time? |
| 10:32.36 | Infitialis | hello, does debian have a version of KVM that supports rbd? I only got ubuntu results on rbd support |
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| 10:33.13 | azathoth99 | apache has virtual hosts which makes kvm not needed and kinda to me a cancer |
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| 10:33.19 | azathoth99 | (not to mention vmware) |
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| 10:41.18 | azathoth99 | raises defectors |
| 10:41.21 | azathoth99 | aggh |
| 10:41.27 | azathoth99 | raises deflectors |
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| 10:42.32 | azathoth99 | long range sensors detect cia activity, assasin dispatched to stop talk of skipping al virtualization and running things on riad 10 sas and a few big boxes, skipping SAN too, and bankrupting vmware and kvm and lxc and openvz in one swift blow! |
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| 10:45.48 | ratsupreme | Hi, openvpN is failing to start, but if i tail /var/log/syslog, I can't see the error because "Apr 11 10:43:49 localhost rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 3181 due to rate-limiting" |
| 10:45.56 | ratsupreme | So how am I supposed to find out error? |
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| 10:50.43 | somiaj | ratsupreme: http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/rate-limiting/ -- I foudn that, explains what that errors means |
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| 10:51.15 | azathoth99 | ISP are going nut to slow people from transferring files using the pipe they paid for |
| 10:51.18 | azathoth99 | it seems |
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| 10:52.37 | jelly | azathoth99: this isn't the place for random comments, but tech support. Try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 10:58.34 | ratsupreme | somiaj: thanks, I eventually figured it out |
| 10:58.46 | ratsupreme | somiaj: This thread helped http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/rsyslog/users/8513 |
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| 11:08.20 | Anuska | Hi, how i install the last version of wine in debian 64x? |
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| 11:09.05 | somiaj | Anuska: compile it yourself, one second |
| 11:09.33 | Anuska | yes, but i have a lot of problem with dependetes |
| 11:09.55 | somiaj | Anuska: what do you mean, did you try to install the lastest wine-unstable package on your stable system. That is not compiling it yourself. |
| 11:10.02 | somiaj | Anuska: http://paste.debian.net/93136/ |
| 11:10.17 | Anuska | wow |
| 11:10.19 | somiaj | that is a set of notes I created for how to comiple wine 1.6.x on wheezy, it should work with the 1.7.x branch too. |
| 11:10.19 | Anuska | let me try thanks |
| 11:10.25 | Anuska | :* |
| 11:10.45 | somiaj | it will build a single wine package for your system. It is what i use, hopefully it works for you |
| 11:11.34 | Anuska | i will come back with a feedback |
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| 11:15.42 | somiaj | Anuska: if you tried to install the wine-unstable debs for sid on your system (assuming wheezy) and got dependency issues, I would clean up that first (you shoudn't install .deb built for a different version tan you are running) |
| 11:16.34 | Anuska | yes |
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| 11:18.53 | regorianer | does anybody know why my script is getting a different pid than it is started. e.g. when i start the script via "perl script.pl & echo $! > /var/run/script.pid", the script.pid has a pid of x and the "ps | grep script" displays me a pid of x+2 or sometimes x+1 |
| 11:19.37 | NiLon | regorianer there is two pids, pid of script and pid of perl process |
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| 11:19.59 | regorianer | how can i change that ? i really need the pid of the starting command |
| 11:20.16 | regorianer | in this case the pid of the script i guess |
| 11:20.25 | NiLon | you mean pid of shell script or pid of perl script? |
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| 11:21.13 | Brigo | tell the script itself writes the pid file. |
| 11:21.20 | regorianer | well, i think it's the pid of the shell script, but indeed i dont really know exactly, i need to have the same numbers. i cannot watch my program status (if crashed or not) if the numbers arent equal |
| 11:23.15 | NiLon | regorianer well you could make more accurate grepping for pid |
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| 11:24.40 | NiLon | even better, grep by pid instead of name |
| 11:24.56 | NiLon | as name is vague |
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| 11:25.46 | ryonaloli | if i'm stuck in an initramfs prompt, how do i mount /dev/sda1? |
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| 11:26.17 | ryonaloli | i accidentally messed up the grub.cfg file, and when i do "ls /dev/sda1" it says it's present, but when i do "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" it says no such file or directory |
| 11:26.28 | tremon | ryonaloli: first, modprobe the filesystem type (e.g. modprobe ext4 |
| 11:26.28 | tremon | ) |
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| 11:26.37 | ryonaloli | ok |
| 11:26.52 | tremon | and you shoud mount -o ro, otherwise fsck can't run |
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| 11:27.00 | ryonaloli | i only need to rename grub.cfg |
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| 11:27.23 | ryonaloli | so i can reboot and it'll boot normally (i accidentally messed up grub.cfg so i'm moving the .bak file) |
| 11:27.42 | caraconan | Hi there. Trying to connect to internet through USB dongle, Vodafone Spain. I was able without a problem with nm-applet, but now every time that I want to connect I see a popup requesting a password, and I tried all the combinations without luck. Device id is 12d1:14cf Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. |
| 11:27.44 | regorianer | erm, cannot follow... what do you mean? i have a runit service (actually its not upstart or sysvinit) which checks my processes. as i start the run script with "perl script" which is getting a different pid, obviosly my runit service is restarting the process infintely although the process is running, just with a different pid |
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| 11:27.46 | caraconan | Any help will be welcomed. Thanks |
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| 11:30.00 | rozie | caraconan: can you try vwdial? |
| 11:30.16 | caraconan | rozie: if you provide some instruccionts sure |
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| 11:30.35 | Anuska | somiaj, is a problem in echo "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/wheezy main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:30.46 | rozie | and be careful about "password". are you sure it's not PIN? |
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| 11:31.31 | rozie | caraconan: it's wvdial (not vw). just install it and try to configure |
| 11:31.44 | caraconan | rozie: sure, since the box is different, no dots when I type, I also triedn PIN and PUK.... |
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| 11:31.58 | caraconan | rozie: installed. What to do next? |
| 11:32.05 | rozie | you will need some configuration regarding network access from your ISP |
| 11:32.09 | Anuska | somiaj, and >> remove all the lines from sources.list :P |
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| 11:32.49 | rozie | now you have to configure it. /etc/wvdial.conf |
| 11:32.59 | caraconan | ok |
| 11:33.12 | caraconan | Should I stop network-manager just in case? |
| 11:33.31 | dagon__ | I'm having some troubles with my beowulf-cluster, running mpich2, nfs-share and passwordless ssh. one node is really stubborn |
| 11:33.58 | dagon__ | Randomly it works, syncing with nfs |
| 11:34.44 | shingouz | caraconan: if you have the network manager running, it will probably want to overtake vwdial. disable if possible |
| 11:34.47 | rgr | if you manually configure via /etc/networking with networking scripts you cant use NM. |
| 11:35.21 | mjt | how to prevent automounting of just-inserted removable media in debian wheezy? Google shows quite some hits but all refer to older versions of gnome... |
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| 11:35.42 | caraconan | shingouz: thanks |
| 11:35.46 | caraconan | rozie: thanks |
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| 11:36.20 | dagon__ | what is wrong? it's using the same configs as the other nodes |
| 11:36.26 | caraconan | rozie: I will now try to dump the config from udevrules and modeswitch to that file |
| 11:36.36 | rgr | media__automount setting has changed? |
| 11:36.39 | caraconan | rozie: or there's a different approach? |
| 11:38.23 | shingouz | caraconan: man wvdialconf :) |
| 11:39.47 | shingouz | caraconan: if you need a blank password or username, you need to use '' not "" as the quotes or the system seems to barf |
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| 11:41.42 | shingouz | hmm... also, disable the pin on the sim. easier that way |
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| 11:43.10 | rgr | I wrote a little blog about that for a vodafone usb stick yonks ago. It was a nightmare of config hell. I'll see if I can find it. |
| 11:44.37 | caraconan | rozie: this is what happened so far: http://paste.debian.net/93142/ |
| 11:44.51 | caraconan | rozie: I already tried updating username and password |
| 11:45.07 | caraconan | shingouz: reading now your comment |
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| 11:46.48 | caraconan | shingouz: but not sure to understand: should I use or not a username/password? To be honest I don't remember my old nm-applet settings, since I just selected the already configured connection and voila |
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| 11:48.32 | shingouz | caraconan: i have no idea. the isp i use blank user/pass. i would add Stupid Mode = On and change the phone number to *99**1# |
| 11:49.28 | caraconan | shingouz: thanks, I'll search for my ISP and country to see if I find a working example. Thanks again |
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| 11:49.53 | caraconan | rgr: thanks, the think is that it was working before my last update |
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| 11:50.43 | M3mphiZ | Is there a Raspbian version available which does not use hard-float? |
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| 11:51.22 | Catalinc | can anyone tell me why i get this error when i try to upgrade -> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.3.3-3_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:51.32 | shingouz | caraconan: just check what your isp says about manually configuring windows/mac/android/anything. they give out the parameters for CGDCONT as the "ap" or somthing similar. you only need the ap and gateway plus knowledge about the user and pass |
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| 11:52.37 | caraconan | shingouz: I'll try that, but: a) I was able to connect without this information. Somehow network-manager set up automatically for me b) I really doubt that my ISP will be able to provide this advanced information |
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| 11:54.25 | shingouz | caraconan: it is there, you just have to do some serious browsing. one part from here, another from there but it is all there |
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| 11:55.09 | brontosaurusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.39 | shingouz | caraconan: network manager also sometimes automatically fails to work. i always go with wvdial, a lot easier |
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| 11:57.09 | caraconan | shingouz: ok thanks |
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| 12:02.29 | omega-rupaul | I have a wireless router than goes wireless to the cable company router, then I go hard wire from it to my 16g ram desktop |
| 12:02.33 | omega-rupaul | ;) |
| 12:02.37 | omega-rupaul | damnit im good |
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| 12:06.19 | mrtnt | Is it possible to bond interfaces with ifconfig or ip utility? |
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| 12:07.50 | joltcan | mrtnt: I think you have to use ifenslave |
| 12:07.56 | joltcan | mrtnt: https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
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| 12:10.22 | mrtnt | joltcan: ok.. I was hoping that once I had enabled bonding LKM, then it's possible to add interfaces into port-channel with ifconfig/ip utility. |
| 12:13.06 | petern_ | Also if you need permanent bonding, /etc/network/interfaces can handle that. |
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| 12:15.28 | elichai2 | hey |
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| 12:15.42 | elichai2 | my grub got curropted (grub rescue) |
| 12:15.45 | elichai2 | how can i fix it? |
| 12:16.13 | pupil | install new grub from liveCD |
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| 12:16.42 | elichai2 | ok, can i do it through ubuntu live cd? |
| 12:16.45 | elichai2 | (that what i have) |
| 12:17.00 | abrotman | has had much better luck with the supergrub disk |
| 12:17.12 | pupil | hem, i'm not so sure about that |
| 12:17.38 | abrotman | elichai2: yes, you can, it's not as straightforward IMO |
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| 12:17.51 | elichai2 | I have ubuntu boot recovery-disk too... |
| 12:17.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell elichai2 about fixgrub |
| 12:18.26 | elichai2 | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:18.34 | elichai2 | but which partition to mount? |
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| 12:18.40 | elichai2 | i have windows&Debian&Kali |
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| 12:19.04 | abrotman | how would we know ... |
| 12:19.19 | elichai2 | how can i know on which one? |
| 12:19.32 | elichai2 | most probably on the one i installed with it the grub? |
| 12:19.33 | abrotman | it's your system, you should know your partitions |
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| 12:20.15 | elichai2 | abrotman: i know my partitions: |
| 12:20.21 | elichai2 | 2 partitions for windows |
| 12:20.24 | elichai2 | 1 for kali |
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| 12:20.38 | elichai2 | and two for debian: 1./boot. 2. anything else-encrypted |
| 12:21.03 | abrotman | do you even know which OS controls your grub? |
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| 12:23.05 | elichai2 | i think debian(because i installed my grub from it) |
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| 12:24.53 | elichai2 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair will help in this case? |
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| 12:25.38 | abrotman | elichai2: try it and see? |
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| 12:26.30 | elichai2 | i |
| 12:26.38 | elichai2 | damn keyboard... |
| 12:26.46 | elichai2 | i'm booting into it in these moments |
| 12:26.58 | elichai2 | just wanted to know, maybe it will just hurt... |
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| 12:28.43 | elichai2 | let's see it say's it's fixed it...rebooting right now... |
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| 12:30.11 | dexterp91 | I'm not sure this is possible but. I have to dual boot my computer with Windoze for a college project, an issue I have is I need to buy a new graphics card (the onboard radeon that I have has broken drivers for Windows plus I need more grunt). I don't want debian to default to the Nvidia card that I'm buying. Is there anyway I can tell it to carry on using the radeon instead of the new PCIe Nvidia? |
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| 12:31.22 | abrotman | dexterp91: that may depend on your BIOS, it may disable the Radeon card as soon as it detects a card in your PCI slots |
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| 12:31.30 | abrotman | PCIe |
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| 12:32.10 | rozie | dexterp91: you want to disable it completely or just you want X to use radeon? |
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| 12:32.30 | tremon | dexterp91: if the bios does not automatically disable the on-board video when an external card is detected, you can just use an xorg.conf that hardcodes the driver to radeon |
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| 12:32.34 | rozie | abrotman: it should be configurable |
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| 12:32.55 | elichai2 | ohhh |
| 12:32.57 | elichai2 | crap |
| 12:32.58 | dexterp91 | damn it! I mean, I'm even using the term "dual boot" loosely, as I'll have it on an entirely different hard drives which I'll select with the bios. |
| 12:33.05 | abrotman | rozie: "should be" .. |
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| 12:33.08 | elichai2 | it's made it just boot to windows :( |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | dexterp91: are you going to switch cables when you boot Windows? |
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| 12:33.45 | dexterp91 | no, just select the 2nd hard drive from the boot menu |
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| 12:34.21 | abrotman | How many monitors do you have? |
| 12:34.35 | dexterp91 | One`monitor |
| 12:34.55 | abrotman | "Are you going to switch cables every time you want to boot windows?" |
| 12:35.05 | dexterp91 | The ATI driver is actually broken under windows and will not display anything over HDMI |
| 12:35.53 | dexterp91 | I'll have both ports DVI and HDMI hooked up to my monitor. |
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| 12:36.30 | abrotman | dexterp91: You tried the Windows Fglrx? (And asked #ati?) |
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| 12:37.01 | dexterp91 | yes, it's apparently just unsupported |
| 12:37.17 | dexterp91 | it's an A 3300 apu. |
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| 12:41.39 | ivanshmakov | Is it just me, or Xorg really gets SIGSEGV as soon as gv(1) is started? (xserver-xorg 1:7.7+3~deb7u1, xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:2.3.1-1+b1.) |
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| 12:41.59 | elichai2 | Kali is just a normal Debian, right? |
| 12:42.12 | elichai2 | i mean it will be ok to use kali to restore debian grub?" |
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| 12:42.27 | elichai2 | (because ubuntu recovery CD failed :( ) |
| 12:42.37 | abrotman | elichai2: Kali is absolutely not Debian |
| 12:42.58 | elichai2 | what do you mean? |
| 12:43.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell elichai2 about kali |
| 12:43.36 | elichai2 | yeah, but it's have the same grub version as debian? |
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| 12:43.48 | abrotman | NFC .. This is #debian, not #kalilinux |
| 12:43.59 | ivanshmakov | elichai2: Some 10 years ago, we’ve used floppies with GRUB (and nothing else) to restore GRUB. |
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| 12:44.15 | rozie | dexterp91: why you don't want debian to use nvidia card? |
| 12:44.31 | elichai2 | there is any debian live cd for a CD? |
| 12:44.37 | elichai2 | (less than 750MB) |
| 12:44.59 | dexterp91 | I'm incredibly happy with the os driver for my AMD card. Preference! |
| 12:45.00 | KBme | you can just chroot to your debian install from any live cd and update grub |
| 12:45.08 | abrotman | elichai2: the bot tells you about the rescue mode .. ask the bot about it "/msg dpkg rescue mode" |
| 12:45.09 | ivanshmakov | elichai2: Check Debian Live. |
| 12:45.15 | rozie | elichai2: if not, you can roll your own |
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| 12:46.14 | rozie | dexterp91: so I believe you just have to adjust xorg.conf |
| 12:46.21 | elichai2 | but the rescue CD is 760MB!!! |
| 12:46.26 | elichai2 | CD has only 700MB |
| 12:46.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell elichai2 about rescue mode |
| 12:47.00 | elichai2 | i already asked him... |
| 12:47.02 | abrotman | the rescue CD is not 760MB |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | that's CD1 of the Debian installer, you can use the netinst |
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| 12:47.49 | elichai2 | yes it is: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/?C=S;O=A |
| 12:48.08 | abrotman | that's the liveCD .. that's not what the bot told you .. |
| 12:48.24 | elichai2 | can i just get a download link please? |
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| 12:48.33 | abrotman | Get the netinst, it's about 250MB or so |
| 12:48.46 | abrotman | go to cdimage.debian.org |
| 12:48.58 | elichai2 | but it's an install! |
| 12:49.06 | elichai2 | i want to just rebuild my grub |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | No, it's not! |
| 12:49.25 | rozie | elichai2: just take a look on options there |
| 12:49.29 | abrotman | You've been given more than enough information, your job is to put that all together. I have little desire to spoonfeed you. |
| 12:49.37 | rozie | it's not only installer |
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| 12:49.55 | elichai2 | ok... |
| 12:49.58 | elichai2 | one last thing |
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| 12:50.09 | elichai2 | when i try running "sudo fdisk -l" i get: |
| 12:50.26 | elichai2 | "fdisk: Unable to seek on /dev/sda: Invaild argument" |
| 12:50.28 | abrotman | Running that where? On Debian that doesn't boot? |
| 12:50.38 | elichai2 | live cd... |
| 12:50.50 | petern_ | That might be a clue as to why it doesn't boot... |
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| 12:51.12 | rozie | and what is your /dev/sda when you boot livecd? |
| 12:51.35 | elichai2 | i think my HD |
| 12:51.45 | rozie | think again |
| 12:51.58 | elichai2 | ammm yes it is |
| 12:51.59 | rozie | or, better, check, not guess |
| 12:52.06 | elichai2 | (as i can see in lsblk) |
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| 12:53.34 | elichai2 | any idea? |
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| 12:59.33 | elichai2 | anyone here familiar with testdisk? |
| 12:59.51 | mrtnt | Is it somehow possible to add options(for example mode=4 to LKM bonding) to kernel modules? |
| 13:00.59 | petern_ | What is "LKM bonding"? |
| 13:01.05 | neal` | I've set up my mail system to have an encrypted home. I want the dovecot imapd server to only start after /home has been mounted. If I set enabled=0 in /etc/default/dovecot, I can't use /etc/init.d/dovecot start to start dovecot. Any thoughts on how to proceed? |
| 13:01.07 | snifsnaf | i'm having the strangest error with an init script. "services myservice start" works fine from commandline, update-rc.d scripts have been created, but the service (samba4) refuses to start on boot. |
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| 13:01.16 | snifsnaf | any ideas? |
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| 13:01.39 | mrtnt | petern_: loadable kernel module which supports NIC bonding(also known as etherchannel or port-channel) |
| 13:01.53 | petern_ | Uh... |
| 13:01.59 | petern_ | So you just mean bonding then, okay. |
| 13:02.26 | Brigo | elichai2, what is the problem? |
| 13:05.16 | petern_ | mrtnt, do you actually need to mess with the options there? |
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| 13:05.57 | azathoth99 | whats the biggest cpu count server you gents worked on? |
| 13:06.00 | petern_ | mrtnt, /etc/network/interfaces is the correct place to set up bonding on a Debian system, and all the options are available there. |
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| 13:07.28 | mrtnt | petern_: no. I need to load the bonding module with some specific options. How to specify those options? According to manual page of modproble, one should use <module>.<option> syntax, but this does not work. For example "modprobe -v bonding.mode=4" gives "FATAL: Module bonding.mode=4 not found.". |
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| 13:08.25 | tremon | mrtnt: see /etc/modprobe.d, and modprobe.conf |
| 13:08.55 | petern_ | http://paste.debian.net/93162/ < i.e. something like that |
| 13:09.11 | tremon | argh, the manual is also modprobe.d, not modprobe.conf |
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| 13:10.40 | petern_ | if you must force it, "options bonding mode=4" in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile |
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| 13:11.10 | tremon | mrtnt: the <module>.<option> syntax is for supplying options on the kernel command line |
| 13:11.24 | petern_ | But as it seems like you don't know what you're doing, you should probably do it the proper way like in my paste example. |
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| 13:12.26 | Anuska | somiaj, work your help :) now i install the software |
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| 13:23.25 | Anuska | somiaj, bleah... the same error |
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| 13:23.50 | ivanshmakov | Great. When I’m trying to mount an Ext3 filesystem from a read-only media, it tells me “error: write access unavailable, cannot proceed”. When I use -t ext2, it says “couldn’t mount because of unsupported optional features (4)”. |
| 13:24.09 | ivanshmakov | At last, with -t ext3 -o norecovery, it states: “no journal found. mounting ext3 over ext2?” |
| 13:24.17 | ivanshmakov | Any idea on how do I proceed from there? |
| 13:24.50 | ivanshmakov | (Copying the filesystem from the read-only media to a read-write one is not quite an appealing option.) |
| 13:25.52 | jelly | cow? |
| 13:25.58 | tremon | ivanshmakov: what are you trying to do |
| 13:25.59 | tremon | ? |
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| 13:26.20 | ivanshmakov | I’m trying to mount an (archive) filesystem from a read-only media. |
| 13:26.39 | jelly | ivanshmakov: something like http://sourceforge.net/projects/cowloop/ |
| 13:26.42 | Anuska | Any ideea how to fix err:module:import_dll Loading library WLDAP32.dll in debian? |
| 13:26.54 | ruukasu | is this vulnerable?: Installed: 1.0.1e-2+rvt+deb7u4 |
| 13:27.06 | ruukasu | I know 1.0.1e is vuln, but does the rvt or anything mean there's a patch? |
| 13:27.21 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Doesn’t seem to be in Debian; $ apt-cache search cowloop → (empty). |
| 13:27.29 | tremon | ivanshmakov: you've already tried the obvious mount -o ro, I assume? |
| 13:27.39 | themill | ruukasu: +rvt? where is that package from? |
| 13:27.40 | jelly | ruukasu: you'll have to ask whoever built that package |
| 13:27.58 | ruukasu | themill, raspbian |
| 13:28.13 | tremon | ruukasu: that's not a debian package. But the debian +deb7u4 package is vulnerable |
| 13:28.22 | jelly | ivanshmakov: nod. I did not say it was! |
| 13:28.22 | ivanshmakov | tremon: # mount -o ro -- /dev/ARCHIVE /mnt ; mount -o ro,noload -- /dev/ARCHIVE /mnt ; mount -t ext2 -o ro -- /dev/ARCHIVE /mnt ; — all of these fail. |
| 13:28.43 | themill | ruukasu: my guess would be that it is vulnerable, but you should be asking them, not us |
| 13:28.45 | ivanshmakov | jelly: For now, I’m looking for a pure-Debian solution. |
| 13:29.09 | jelly | ivanshmakov: do a pure-Debian bitwise copy to rw media, then |
| 13:29.11 | tremon | ivanshmakov: anything interesting in dmesg? Ext3 normally mounts journal-less filesystems fine |
| 13:29.16 | ivanshmakov | jelly: That being said, I could probably set up some CoW with plain # dmsetup. |
| 13:29.42 | jelly | probably |
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| 13:29.59 | ivanshmakov | tremon: “recovery required on readonly filesystem” and “error: write access unavailable, cannot proceed” for the first (-o ro) command. |
| 13:30.13 | jelly | is not acquainted with raw d-m features, but lvm obviously has working snapshots |
| 13:30.38 | ivanshmakov | tremon: My guess is that there /is/ a journal; it’s just read-only. (Along with the rest of the medium.) |
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| 13:31.07 | jelly | ivanshmakov: random google search says d-m can do it. http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/cowloop/devicemapper.html |
| 13:31.30 | tremon | I would be interested in seeing the output of fsck -n and tune2fs -l on that filesystem |
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| 13:31.56 | tdn | I have a computer that is out of reach from the house's wifi signal. But it is also impossible to run cable between the house's switch and the node. However, it *is* possible to run cable from one of my other hosts that uses wifi to connect to the house network and to the host that is out of wifi reach. So Can I use this to connect this node to the home network with a ethernet bridge somehow? If so, how do I do this? My network topology is in this diagram: http://i |
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| 13:32.25 | tdn | All hosts run Debian except 'pi', which is a raspberrypi and it runs raspbian. |
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| 13:32.42 | OpenTokix | tdn: short answer: yes, long answer, most cheap routers, can also act as extenders or birdges |
| 13:32.48 | melt7777 | tdn get a router that supports dd-wrt firmware and use it as a wireless bridge at the end point to receive wifi and give wired conncetions and wifi |
| 13:32.49 | frostschutz | ivanshmakov, nbd-(client/server) also has a copy-on-write mode |
| 13:32.52 | tremon | tdn: probably better to ask on #networking. You probably need wireless bridging aka wds aka 4addr mode |
| 13:33.12 | tdn | melt7777, I have a router with dd-wrt on it. |
| 13:33.20 | ivanshmakov | jelly: ACK, thanks for the pointer. |
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| 13:33.25 | melt7777 | tdn bridge mode then |
| 13:33.26 | tdn | OpenTokix, I cannot run cable from pi to router. |
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| 13:34.14 | tdn | melt7777, you mean to use my dd-wrt router to extend the range of the wifi signal? |
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| 13:35.19 | melt7777 | tdn Yes it can receive the range of the main wifi and repeat it in the other area, as well as offering wired conections i believe. go on the dd-wrt page as we are grossly off topic |
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| 13:35.36 | ivanshmakov | tremon: # e2fsck reports ‘Free blocks count wrong (469567, counted=4705). Free inodes count wrong (252271, counted=201464).’, which is mildly strange, but doesn’t look like a “grave” problem. |
| 13:35.56 | ivanshmakov | tremon: # tune2fs -l lists ‘has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file’ among the features. Or should I look for something else? |
| 13:35.57 | txomon|fon | Apr 11 15:35:22 rosita kernel: [961685.482781] gnome-shell[9912]: segfault at 58 ip 00007f700e9903ef sp 00007fff6929a840 error 4 in libgnome-shell.so[7f700e94b000+9b000] |
| 13:36.05 | txomon|fon | how may I report this ^ |
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| 13:36.37 | ice9 | using the debian live cd and after installation I mounted root and did chroot to it but when I run update-initramfs -u I get error that it's live and read only file system! |
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| 13:36.46 | tremon | ivanshmakov: no, that's what I was looking for. Specifically, the needs_recovery and has_journal flags. Did fsck mention anything about not finding the journal? |
| 13:36.48 | tdn | melt7777, ok, will look at that. However, I would prefer the ethernet bridge because then I do not have to have yet another device plugged in.... |
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| 13:37.02 | ivanshmakov | tremon: Nope. |
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| 13:37.55 | tremon | hmm. Then using something cow and performing recovery is probably your best option. I still think it's odd that the fs won't mount with -o norecovery, but have no other options for you |
| 13:38.02 | melt7777 | ok then u will have to use iptables to share the internet of the one machine's wlan0 over the eth0 |
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| 13:38.18 | melt7777 | tdn^ |
| 13:38.47 | Anuska | Hi, anyone know how to fix this: fixme:time:GetSystemTimes (0xa4e8d0,0xa4e8e8,0xa4e8e0): Stub! wine? |
| 13:39.20 | tdn | melt7777, ok, how is this done? I would like to avoid using NAT. Is that possible? So that I effectively merge the networks. This way, nodes on the wifi can still access the pi directly. |
| 13:39.34 | ivanshmakov | tremon: As per the error message (“no journal found. mounting ext3 over ext2?”), my guess is that the ‘norecovery’ logic was somehow broken. Will try CoW. Thanks. |
| 13:40.30 | melt7777 | tdn then you want to use a wireless bridge - that is going to be the best way. you have either NAT or a device to route - pick one |
| 13:40.43 | tdn | OK. |
| 13:40.54 | tdn | Thanks for clearing that up. |
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| 13:42.06 | ice9 | using the debian live cd and after installation I mounted root and did chroot to it but when I run update-initramfs -u I get error that it's live and read only file system! |
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| 13:43.16 | DrFoo | where do I uncheck Disable Touchpad When Typing in Gnome 3? |
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| 13:44.16 | dexterp91 | I'm eagerly awaiting gnome 3.12 on debian. Can't wait for Wayland. |
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| 13:45.15 | ice9 | dexterp91: when gnome 3.12 will be available in the repo? |
| 13:46.38 | Anuska | Hi, anyone know how to fix this: fixme:time:GetSystemTimes (0xa4e8d0,0xa4e8e8,0xa4e8e0): Stub! and fixme:ntdll:NtIsProcessInJob stub: in wine.... |
| 13:47.09 | dexterp91 | yeah, but I understand backporting can be a serious pain. |
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| 13:48.46 | ivanshmakov | (It worked. Naturally.) |
| 13:49.53 | melt7777 | ice9 u made an error in the chrooting process |
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| 14:02.36 | seeker62 | what is the least amount of ram needed to run wheezy |
| 14:03.14 | Dan39 | probably very little, like 128mb |
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| 14:03.15 | aysorth | 64mb? Probably less. |
| 14:03.36 | Dan39 | but yea even prolly less than 64mb |
| 14:03.43 | Dan39 | but you many need to adjust default |
| 14:03.59 | aysorth | I'm running nginx+mysql+php-fpm on ~100mb while idle |
| 14:04.02 | Dan39 | like disable some services |
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| 14:04.29 | Slagwag | anyone use .htaccess files on their debian web server? im wondering if it functions any differently then other distros because ... my site is on /var/www and if i copy the joomla .htaccess file over it does not seem to do jack |
| 14:04.44 | seeker62 | ok thanks guys. the reason i ask is i have loaded wheezy without framebuffers on a legacy computer that has 500 meg and after i type in my password and try to open application menu it crashes |
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| 14:05.31 | Dan39 | what DE? |
| 14:05.39 | Dan39 | 500meg is plenty lol |
| 14:05.44 | seeker62 | gnome |
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| 14:06.03 | Dan39 | years ago i ran debian KDE on 256mb with i think beryl even, and did fancy graphics n all |
| 14:06.04 | Dan39 | haha |
| 14:06.35 | Dan39 | but that was years ago, when the DEs were actually stable and good |
| 14:06.43 | Dan39 | now they have gone to shit |
| 14:07.22 | seeker62 | also trying to change resolution to 1280X760 or something like that and am not having much success |
| 14:07.38 | seeker62 | once this gets ironed out i will be up and running i believe |
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| 14:14.46 | lionrouge | hi ! |
| 14:15.11 | lionrouge | i need "mac" utility (Monkeys' audio) but can't find it in repo |
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| 14:16.12 | aysorth | lionrouge: google -> "monkeys audio debian" |
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| 14:17.10 | lionrouge | how to plug debian-multimedia repo? |
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| 14:18.07 | rgr | no they havent gone to shit. They have advanced with the time times and naturally need more resources. Want less? CUstomise your own from .xinitrc or use xfce or something in conjunction wiht xmonad. |
| 14:19.51 | aysorth | lionrouge: you can directly download and install with dpkg -i |
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| 14:22.41 | lionrouge | it needs libmac2 that is not in repos too |
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| 14:23.02 | lionrouge | i think i'll try to find another way |
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| 14:50.05 | jarray52 | When running the command `xrandr --output DFP2 --right-of DFP3`, I get the error message: `screen cannot be larger than 3520 x 1920 (desired size 4480 x 1600)` What determines the largest possible size of 3520 x 1920? Is this dependent on the graphics driver? |
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| 14:55.37 | petn-randall | jarray52: Yes, or the hardware. |
| 14:55.38 | armin | jarray52: probably the "Virtual" size. |
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| 14:56.07 | armin | jarray52: did you try setting the "Virtual" size manually in the Display subsection? |
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| 14:57.21 | ChrisH | I just about to finish a squeeze->wheezy upgrade and grub-install failed as follows: http://paste.debian.net/93183/ It looks like I overlook some obvious. :( |
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| 14:58.36 | jelly | ChrisH: you want to install grub onto /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, not /dev/md0 |
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| 15:00.29 | mjt | heck. how stupid grub is... :( |
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| 15:00.41 | estrid | hello. |
| 15:00.42 | ChrisH | jelly: as mentionend... something obvious. thanks. done. keep fingers crossed, remote booting |
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| 15:01.02 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
| 15:01.04 | frostschutz | aaand it's dead |
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| 15:04.03 | estrid | i'd like to have a 'virtual' network interface, let's call it 'safe0' that just pipes everything to wlan0 and which is only brought up when wlan0 is connected to a certain wireless network, so that i can configure various services such as ssh and avahi to only use 'safe0'. the end result should be that the ssh daemon is only accessible to other computers when i'm on that certain wireless network, and avahi should only publish services and ho |
| 15:04.03 | estrid | stnames on that network. not when i'm on a train or in a coffeeshop or whatever. |
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| 15:04.37 | estrid | any ideas on how to do this? can i use a vlan somehow? i'd prefer it to work with network-manager. |
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| 15:10.09 | ChrisH | jelly: all work done. 7.4 up and running |
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| 15:17.46 | jarray52 | petn-randall: I know the hardware can handle the 4480 x 1600 size since everything works fine with Windows, and I get the larger size. |
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| 15:18.16 | jarray52 | armin: setting the "Virtual" size manually requires the creation of my own xorg.conf, right? |
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| 15:26.02 | somiaj | Anuska: run apt-get -f install as I mention if you get depends errors. The nice thing is if you compiled the software in a wheezy chroot, wheezy can make the depends which will be nice |
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| 15:26.35 | Anuska | somiaj, thanks |
| 15:26.45 | Anuska | i run the program in terminal and i see a lot of fixme:time:GetSystemTimes and fixme:ntdll:NtIsProcessInJob |
| 15:26.52 | Anuska | but fixme:time:GetSystemTimes are a lot.. |
| 15:27.11 | Anuska | the program running but give a lot of this error |
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| 15:28.33 | somiaj | Anuska: now you are in a wine issue, this is all wine output. But yes it isn't uncommon for wine to spit out a lot of fixme warnings though the program usually runs fine |
| 15:28.51 | Anuska | thanks |
| 15:28.52 | somiaj | Anuska: check out winehq.org and teh appdatabase for tricks to get your paticular application to run if there are any issues with it |
| 15:29.02 | somiaj | Anuska: debian won't really support wine at all, but installing it sure. (: |
| 15:29.03 | Anuska | i see ia a pach to fix |
| 15:29.07 | Anuska | but not know how to put |
| 15:29.27 | somiaj | Anuska: you would have to apply the patch to the source and then recompile it with the same instructions I gave you |
| 15:29.38 | Anuska | thanks |
| 15:29.43 | Anuska | i will try |
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| 15:30.02 | somiaj | Anuska: again #winehq I belive is the channel on freenode is the place for wine questions. The instructions I gave you are just to give you a nice clean way to compile wine into a package so you can install/rmove it with dpkg |
| 15:30.21 | Anuska | i ask but not result :) |
| 15:30.25 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 15:30.49 | estrid | is there any way to get network-manager to use a different interface name when connecting to certain wireless networks? |
| 15:30.50 | somiaj | I find the appdatabase on winehq.org the best place to get info about how to get a paticular application to work in wine |
| 15:31.18 | estrid | for example wlan0.safe when connecting to my home network, and wlan0.unsafe everywhere else? |
| 15:31.30 | somiaj | estrid: like wlan1 instead of wlan0. Do you have multiple interfaces and if you are on this network connect with this interface, while if you are on this network, connect with this one? |
| 15:31.35 | somiaj | estrid: nope |
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| 15:31.56 | somiaj | estrid: the interface name is set by the kernel when the interface is loaded, this is not something that can be changed by nm |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | could be changed with udev rules though |
| 15:32.21 | estrid | somiaj: any other way to achieve that, maybe using vlans or something similar? |
| 15:32.22 | petn-randall | estrid: guessnet is able to identify certain networks (freely scriptable),and will also fire a script associated with that network. So all you'd need to do it write a script that enables it all and opens holes in your firewall for "home", and does that opposite when not "home". |
| 15:32.45 | Anuska | ;* somiaj |
| 15:32.59 | Anuska | time to relax now, SpA time :) |
| 15:33.04 | somiaj | estrid: we kinda see an xy problem here, what do you want to achive by having them use different names? |
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| 15:33.56 | estrid | somiaj: i want things like ssh, mdns and dns-sd to only be accessible on my home network, and they are configured on an interface-basis. |
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| 15:34.40 | estrid | petn-randall: thanks, i'll have a look at guessnet. |
| 15:34.51 | somiaj | estrid: then listen to petn-randall comment, I think that is more what you want to, change your firewall depending on the network you connect to |
| 15:35.01 | somiaj | estrid: you could also bring your ssh server up/down depending on the network you connect to |
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| 15:36.44 | estrid | somiaj: i'd like it to still be accessible over eth0, so i think the firewall method would be better. |
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| 15:37.22 | mrchris | Hi, I've run 'apt-get update' (first time in a while) but I get the message : 'W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1337087218 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA' What can I do? |
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| 15:37.58 | zykotick9 | mrchris: lenny??? |
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| 15:38.09 | somiaj | estrid: and if you tire of using network-manager, you could configure this with your /etc/network/interfaces file and add post up/down scripts instead of having to run another thing to pay attention, though iw onder if nm can do that directry |
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| 15:38.49 | estrid | somiaj: network-manager does have a directory to put hook scripts when interfaces are brought up or down, so it should be possible to get it to work automatically. |
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| 15:39.37 | somiaj | estrid: yea was just looking in google for that. (: |
| 15:39.51 | estrid | i think it even runs native ifup/down scripts. |
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| 15:40.44 | starsinmypockets | (debian 7, openssl 1.0.1e patched) |
| 15:41.11 | gregor2 | i cant set the time to be synced from the web |
| 15:41.11 | gregor2 | on gnome! |
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| 15:41.39 | somiaj | gregor2: install the ntpd package |
| 15:41.48 | gregor2 | oh |
| 15:42.04 | somiaj | it will just run in the background and keep your clocks synced |
| 15:42.15 | gregor2 | i need that for it? |
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| 15:43.45 | somiaj | gregor2: sorry my bad, the package is just ntp, you could get just an ntpclient such as ntpdate or some various other ntp cilents that can be run at a singel time and sync for that time, but an ntp daemon would probabaly be more recomeneded |
| 15:43.47 | gregor2 | and why isnt this function from the system settings working? |
| 15:43.58 | somiaj | looks like openntpd is another alternatnive, there are a few more in the archives. |
| 15:44.29 | gregor2 | ntp deamon? |
| 15:44.45 | somiaj | that is just a small program taht will run inthe background and keep your clocks synced with the internet |
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| 15:46.30 | somiaj | gregor2: I'm unsure here if it is an issue with gnome permissions not set up correctly because you need root permisions to change the clock, or they are not able to grab the internet time correctly. Installing the ntp package would jsut work and fix those issues. Myabe someone more familar with gnome will answer you too. (: |
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| 15:47.18 | b0t | -_- |
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| 15:48.53 | b0t | -____________________- |
| 15:49.57 | gregor2 | lol |
| 15:50.15 | b0t | i cant install kiwiirc on debian |
| 15:50.18 | b0t | any idea? |
| 15:50.23 | gregor2 | why such a long face b0t? |
| 15:50.44 | b0t | any problems |
| 15:51.01 | mtn | b0t: is it in the debian repos? |
| 15:51.03 | somiaj | b0t: I do not see any debian package for that software. Maybe say how you tried to install it and what sort of errors you get |
| 15:51.13 | b0t | no |
| 15:51.16 | b0t | mtn: no |
| 15:52.00 | gregor2 | and how can i sync the time with the web now? |
| 15:52.00 | b0t | http://www.sciuro.org/2014/01/install-kiwiirc-on-debian/ |
| 15:52.15 | somiaj | looks like it is some sort of webapp, this really isn't the best place to get support for that. |
| 15:52.21 | gregor2 | how can i start this deamon an....... |
| 15:52.22 | gregor2 | oh |
| 15:52.22 | somiaj | gregor2: did you install the ntp package? |
| 15:52.22 | gregor2 | thanks!! |
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| 15:52.33 | b0t | git clone https://github.com/prawnsalad/KiwiIRC.git && cd KiwiIRC |
| 15:52.36 | somiaj | gregor2: if so it should just be working and it will now keep your clock synced, you don't have to do anything more |
| 15:52.38 | petn-randall | gregor2: ntpd or ntpdate |
| 15:52.45 | gregor2 | yes now it worked! |
| 15:53.18 | gregor2 | ntp! |
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| 15:54.16 | gregor2 | there is no ntpd! |
| 15:54.17 | gregor2 | openntpd is there |
| 15:54.17 | gregor2 | i installed ntp! |
| 15:54.49 | gregor2 | works great |
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| 15:55.22 | somiaj | gregor2: ntpd came as a part of the ntp package. (: |
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| 15:56.06 | somiaj | b0t: unless you tell us what didn't work we can't do much. Though you will probabaly get better support by those who are more familar with that piece of web-software. |
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| 16:05.36 | gregor_ | now why? |
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| 16:10.07 | gregor2 | ok now im back |
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| 16:10.54 | gregor2 | now why cant you download those "wheezy/update" packages from ftp.at.debian.org? |
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| 16:16.52 | Slagwag | how do u verify, in debian, your openssl version |
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| 16:17.35 | Slagwag | duh |
| 16:17.36 | Slagwag | nm |
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| 16:19.19 | jelly | Slagwag: dpkg -l libssl1.0.0 is what you probably really want |
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| 16:21.00 | Slagwag | 1.0.1e-2+deb version |
| 16:21.01 | Slagwag | yay or nay? |
| 16:21.38 | Slagwag | oops i think that truncated - 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 |
| 16:21.43 | Slagwag | i think thats older |
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| 16:23.35 | estrid | hm. there's a man page for guessnet-scan in the guessnet package, but no program called guessnet-scan. |
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| 16:40.08 | JenniferB3 | if I install debian, what is the desktop environment ... gnome2/3 ? |
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| 16:40.31 | average | JenniferB3: the default one in jessies is XFCE |
| 16:40.56 | average | JenniferB3: I recommend you go with gnome2 if that's what you're used to. You can install whatever other desktop env after you have a basic install |
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| 16:41.10 | average | s/jessies/jessie/ |
| 16:41.23 | JenniferB3 | average: thanks, how is debian different from ubuntu .. in terms of software packages being available and such ? |
| 16:41.39 | JenniferB3 | stability? |
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| 16:42.26 | average | JenniferB3: Stability is great. It depends which of the Debians you want jessie/wheezy/sid (I will let others comment here, as they know better, but I think sid is the stable one). |
| 16:42.47 | jelly | blinks |
| 16:43.02 | ScottE | wheezy is stable |
| 16:43.08 | average | ScottE: thank you |
| 16:43.33 | jelly | JenniferB3: there is no gnome 2 in Debian 7, the current release, only Gnome 3 and it's the default desktop environment. There are others available. |
| 16:43.46 | average | JenniferB3: Ubuntu has more packages than Debian afaik. But lack of packages is not a problem from my usage of Debian so far |
| 16:44.17 | average | JenniferB3: isn't XFCE the default one ? |
| 16:44.18 | jelly | average: jessie is a work in progress and there's no way to know which DE will be default |
| 16:44.30 | average | ah sorry |
| 16:44.34 | average | jelly: isn't XFCE the default one ? |
| 16:44.59 | jelly | average: um, I just said Gnome 3 was the default. |
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| 16:45.03 | average | ah, ok |
| 16:45.12 | jelly | in Debian 7, codename wheezy that is. |
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| 16:45.41 | average | jelly: how does jessie evolve in comparison to wheezy/sid ? |
| 16:45.43 | JenniferB3 | Anyone running gnome3? how well/bad is it? |
| 16:47.08 | jelly | average: you can read a bit of explanation at https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 16:47.10 | JenniferB3 | From this menu: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ ... i can not see the sid/jessie/wheezy options you describe |
| 16:47.16 | average | jelly: thank you |
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| 16:47.29 | jelly | JenniferB3: "wheezy" is just a codename for Debian 7.x |
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| 16:48.10 | jelly | JenniferB3: those other things average mentioned, jessie and sid, are basically developer branches unfit for mere usage |
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| 16:48.31 | JenniferB3 | jelly: ook .. so I want to download an installation package |
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| 16:48.58 | JenniferB3 | i am thinking the full dvd ... the link I sent you contains an update torrent ... as well as cd 1 and 2 ... confused :S |
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| 16:49.21 | jelly | JenniferB3: if you have wired access at installation time, just grab the download image on www.debian.org main page |
| 16:49.35 | JenniferB3 | jelly: I dont |
| 16:49.50 | wols | JenniferB3: what wlan chip do you have? |
| 16:49.53 | jelly | JenniferB3: what kind of internet access do you have, then, wireless? |
| 16:50.07 | JenniferB3 | wireless probably |
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| 16:50.18 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 16:50.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 16:51.11 | jelly | JenniferB3: grab amd64 -> iso-cd -> that firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso thing, then |
| 16:51.27 | JenniferB3 | ook ... found it! |
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| 16:52.34 | jelly | JenniferB3: do you plan to burn it onto a dvd or cd, or use a usb stick instead? |
| 16:52.41 | JenniferB3 | will I live a happy life afterwards? In turns of configuration, support, software and so on ... also for instance, go to hibernate, suspend ... not always working with other distros ... i am on centos now, but it has been a bit of a pain ... and freezes sometimes ... |
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| 16:53.23 | JenniferB3 | usb would probably be best ... i have already burnt three dvds of ubuntu that all failed with nouvou driver divide by zero |
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| 16:54.16 | jelly | it's quite possible the same thing will happen here |
| 16:54.20 | DrFoo | Anyone else have issues with gnome "Oh no! Something has gone wrong." |
| 16:54.45 | JenniferB3 | how do I best place it on a usb that can be booted? i am on centos... |
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| 16:55.14 | average | JenniferB3: I believe you can just write it to /dev/sdb1 (if this is your USB) |
| 16:55.18 | average | JenniferB3: the .iso I mean |
| 16:55.19 | jelly | JenniferB3: figure out which /dev/sdX device your usb stick is, then just cp blah.iso /dev/sdX |
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| 16:55.27 | jelly | average: just sdb, no 1 |
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| 16:55.32 | average | jelly: correct |
| 16:55.58 | jelly | average: don't correct me, please, you've been consistently giving bad advice for the last 20 minutes |
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| 16:56.06 | JenniferB3 | jelly: ook .. i will try that once the download is complete ... wont that just drop the iso on the usb .. as a whole file? I believe it should be extracted onto the usb ... with several files .. |
| 16:56.16 | average | jelly: oh... ok |
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| 16:56.45 | jelly | JenniferB3: that's the way to do it, see install guide https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 16:57.18 | ice9 | I installed debian from live cd on existing luks lvm, I created the crypttab file and updated initramfs but I can't boot! |
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| 16:58.29 | JenniferB3 | with this netinstall .. will I get xfce or gnome3 ? |
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| 16:58.54 | jelly | JenniferB3: you will get gnome3 by default, but you can choose to install xfce if you wish |
| 16:58.56 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 16:58.57 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 16:59.19 | jelly | JenniferB3: note "using Debian-Installer" above |
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| 16:59.47 | JenniferB3 | I am using firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso ... so the default would be? :S |
| 16:59.57 | jelly | Gnome 3. |
| 17:00.17 | JenniferB3 | jelly: I hope it is good :D |
| 17:00.28 | jelly | I can't comment on that :-) |
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| 17:05.44 | JenniferB3 | I am filled with a happy feeling ... i have been trying to decided what distro I should switch to... ubuntu would be safest as it is most widely used .. but I hate unity and most time it just feels unstable .. i couldnt even get through the installer .. I could not a good way to start, broke even at the installation step .. was thinking of mint as well... but dont like the idea of a distro that is based on anopther distor that is based on another distor . |
| 17:05.45 | JenniferB3 | .. . somehow I remember that debian should have as much packages and softwares ... so now I think I might have made a good choice ... gnome3 might have matured a bit for me to actually like it ... and dont have to deal with unity's social crap integration ... holding my thumbs ... downloading still ... 70% |
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| 17:06.55 | wols | the gnome3 in debian is not a very new gnome3 however |
| 17:07.07 | JenniferB3 | wols: can one update? :D |
| 17:07.48 | `ryban | Greetings! :) |
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| 17:08.25 | JenniferB3 | Aloha :D |
| 17:08.41 | `ryban | hello JenniferB3 =) |
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| 17:09.17 | JenniferB3 | I am a bot. Ask me anything. |
| 17:09.42 | `ryban | haha :) nice |
| 17:09.59 | JenniferB3 | I know that is nice. What else is nice? |
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| 17:10.59 | edidas | guess who's back! |
| 17:11.06 | tamelxtech | me? |
| 17:11.09 | JenniferB3 | Arnold? |
| 17:11.15 | edidas | Close |
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| 17:11.54 | JenniferB3 | edidas is back? |
| 17:12.05 | edidas | Uhu |
| 17:12.17 | qu | Anyone know what the -modern- way is to blacklist a module? |
| 17:12.28 | edidas | modern? |
| 17:12.40 | Cyis | hmm... seems gpg isn't honoring my personal-*-preferences in my gpg.conf |
| 17:13.13 | qu | Putting a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ certainly doesn't work. |
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| 17:13.41 | qu | In fact it won't boot anymore. |
| 17:13.58 | Brigo | qu create /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf, and add a line like: blacklist arkfb |
| 17:14.03 | sdf10809 | qu, blacklist.conf works fine for me |
| 17:14.20 | mtn | qu: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 17:14.41 | qu | Brigo:, sdf10809, mtn I did. |
| 17:14.52 | mtn | qu: then I guess you did it wrong ;) |
| 17:15.00 | qu | But after I enter my LUKS disk password it doesn't move. |
| 17:15.04 | D-Boy | Hello, Since my begining with virtualization (proxmox openvz) I used to use x86 systems (debian wheezy) containers for all my services/dev machines, I'm wondering if i should use x64 systems for any new created containers ? or it doesn't really matter for web development mostly |
| 17:15.06 | Brigo | qu, it was an example |
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| 17:15.52 | qu | As the wiki says rename modprobe.conf as it interferes with the modprobe.d dir, I renamed /etc/modules, as that was the closest thing to it. |
| 17:17.34 | DrFoo | paste.debian.net/93223/ |
| 17:17.47 | DrFoo | My X server is crashing on login to gnome |
| 17:18.00 | petern_ | qu, but not the exact thing. |
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| 17:18.10 | qu | Now right before my LUKS password it says I have errors: modprobe bad line 3,7,8. |
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| 17:18.42 | qu | DrFoo: That's why I ask what is the -modern- way to blacklist, as opposed to what's in the fscking wiki. |
| 17:18.47 | petern_ | /etc/modules is a list of modules to load, modprobe.conf is an old file which was probably not there because modprobe.d/* replaces it |
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| 17:19.17 | DrFoo | qu: what? |
| 17:19.20 | qu | I need to blacklist the usb3 module. |
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| 17:20.06 | petern_ | https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting < that one? |
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| 17:20.26 | qu | petern_: Y. It doesn't work. |
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| 17:20.50 | qu | My system now does not boot and says there're modprobe errors on lines 3,7,8. |
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| 17:21.23 | petern_ | So what did you put? |
| 17:22.12 | qu | blacklist xhci_hcd, then depmod -ae and update-initramfs -u |
| 17:22.31 | qu | Now initramfs won't let me boot. |
| 17:22.54 | qu | ... even in single-user. |
| 17:23.14 | qu | It asks for the LUKS disk password, I enter it, and nothing. |
| 17:23.18 | qu | Locked up. |
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| 17:35.41 | sdf10809 | openssl patches need to be done on both ends, the client and the server for it to be safe, right? if we update openssl or the lib on our end and the webserver we're talking to hasn't updated theirs, then it won't help |
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| 17:40.34 | ivanshmakov | sdf10809: Indeed, I’d also like to see some more information on that. |
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| 17:45.03 | Guest77325 | http://www.goaltycoon.com/bestfootballgame/galahad1st use this link to register on GoalTycoon, a free2play football manager online game, manage your team, improve your players and tactics to advance the leagues, upgrade your club park, all in order to earn profits and the virtual currency can be converted into real money. Join now! It's free:> |
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| 17:48.33 | iateadonut | if you use keys not pwords, do you have to update all your keys because of the heartblled thing? |
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| 17:50.23 | ivanshmakov | iateadonut: Probably, if the /client/ is affected. Server has keys of its own (/etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key*), which, if affected, are to be regenerated. |
| 17:50.26 | jetole | Hey guys. I had to install a newer kernel on a old distro (3.2 kernel on lenny 5.0). When I run iptables, I get the error iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?). I ran insmod on that module and it's not in the lsmod output but iptables is still giving that error |
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| 17:50.34 | jetole | does anyone have any insight on why this is happening? |
| 17:51.07 | ivanshmakov | jetole: Because old iptables does not know how to “speak” to the new kernel? |
| 17:51.22 | somiaj | jetole: how did you install this kernel on lenny and why are you running an outdated system? (suggestion is upgrade to at least oldstable which is reaching it's eol anyways) |
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| 17:51.32 | jetole | ivanshmakov: actually I thought the same thing right after I asked |
| 17:52.07 | jetole | somiaj: not my system and lenny was a customer requirement for a custom application they developed |
| 17:52.08 | somiaj | I woudln't think the filter table was removed sounds like you misconfigured the kernel. |
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| 17:52.11 | ivanshmakov | jetole: I’ve seen an issue like this with aufs-tools from oldstable vs. the kernel from stable. |
| 17:52.33 | slaeshjag | Anyone have the path to the grub binary for UEFI booting? |
| 17:52.36 | somiaj | at least that would be my guess I think you ahve to select the filter table as a seperate option from including iptables support |
| 17:52.38 | jetole | ivanshmakov: no I think you're right. I just thought the same thing right after I asked. Looking into upgrading iptables now |
| 17:53.12 | somiaj | slaeshjag: what do you mean, talking about grub-efi or the path to grub on the efi partition? |
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| 17:53.35 | slaeshjag | somiaj: on efi partition |
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| 17:53.48 | ivanshmakov | jetole: Please note that upgrading even a single package between Debian usually leads to the major part of the system being upgraded just as well. |
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| 17:54.05 | jetole | ivanshmakov: right |
| 17:54.42 | somiaj | jetole: are you sure it is iptables that is the issue, if you tried ti inmod the filter table woudln't that module show up in lsmod? |
| 17:55.00 | ivanshmakov | jetole: Personally, I’d perhaps get a fresh install of Debian 7, /and/ clone the original system into a chroot or KVM environment there. |
| 17:55.04 | jetole | somiaj: I already said it did |
| 17:55.18 | jetole | ivanshmakov: would if I could |
| 17:55.21 | jetole | not my system |
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| 17:55.50 | ivanshmakov | (We actually did such things in “production”: our out-of-date binaries were living perfectly fine after being moved to chroots, KVMs, etc.) |
| 17:56.14 | jetole | ivanshmakov: I can suggest it |
| 17:56.52 | jetole | what's the command to install the system to a chroot? I've used something like that long long ago |
| 17:56.58 | ivanshmakov | jetole: An alternative would be to use a dedicated firewall (Debian, or perhaps even something like OpenWRT, etc.) |
| 17:57.17 | ivanshmakov | jetole: debootstrap(8). I have a more detailed instruction, but it’s in Russian. |
| 17:57.25 | jetole | ivanshmakov: nah. Again, not my system |
| 17:58.01 | jetole | no thats cool. I remember using debootstrap and couldn't remember the name. I can suggest something to the client but let me look at this a little and get a foothold first |
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| 18:00.28 | ivanshmakov | jetole: FWIW, https://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/Установка_Debian_без_D-I has an example # debootstrap command line. |
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| 18:03.06 | Bijan-E | hid3, any idea on this BUG https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1210734.html? (python) pip crashes with "ImportError: cannot import name IncompleteRead" error |
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| 18:03.25 | Bijan-E | hid3, sorry for wrong HL |
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| 18:03.48 | Bijan-E | hid3, any idea on this BUG https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1210734.html? (python) pip crashes with "ImportError: cannot import name IncompleteRead" error |
| 18:04.33 | Bijan-E | have trouble with xchat mentioning system |
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| 18:06.48 | jetole | ivanshmakov: thanks |
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| 18:12.58 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 18:13.24 | cousin_luigi | is trying to compile a custom kernel but there's a version mismatch with the changelog. What should he change if the error message is like this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/89302058/ ? |
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| 18:16.50 | DrFoo | somiaj: I was googling my gnome corruption issue and it seems somewhat common |
| 18:17.45 | DrFoo | somiaj: a google search for "debian oh no something has gone wrong" yields relevant results, but nothing that has solved my issue. |
| 18:18.00 | somiaj | DrFoo: yea it doesn't appear to be anything wrong with your debian install but your user gnome settings. |
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| 18:18.37 | somiaj | DrFoo: you could rest your settings is about all I know how to do, there are various hidden files in $HOME you should move to a back_up dir, and then it will load up with default settings |
| 18:19.02 | DrFoo | somiaj: I tried deleting all my gnome related files, hoping it would replace them |
| 18:19.08 | somiaj | DrFoo: I'm unsure what is causing the corruption, but no debian packages mess with $HOME, and your two third party sources I doubt do either. |
| 18:19.19 | SynrG | if you were looking for patterns matching *gnome* you are mistaken |
| 18:19.27 | somiaj | DrFoo: did you get that full list I linked you, it was a ubuntu list, but I bet the gnome directories are the same |
| 18:19.35 | SynrG | first of all, xdg stuff is in ~/.config |
| 18:19.43 | SynrG | second, gnome3 puts stuff in dconf |
| 18:19.49 | DrFoo | yes, there were quite a few files |
| 18:19.53 | DrFoo | somiaj ^ |
| 18:19.56 | somiaj | and .gconf .gconf2 and so forth |
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| 18:20.06 | SynrG | did you use any custom themes or plugins? |
| 18:20.12 | SynrG | that's the first on the "suspicious" list |
| 18:20.13 | DrFoo | somiaj: yes |
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| 18:20.59 | SynrG | somiaj: dunno how .gconf* figures into gnome3 after the gsettings merge |
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| 18:21.51 | SynrG | see ~/.config/dconf/user (not a text file!) |
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| 18:22.03 | SynrG | dconf-editor to view/modify |
| 18:22.04 | DrFoo | somiaj: Do you have any recommendations for what to do / where to go next? |
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| 18:22.28 | somiaj | SynrG: maybe the list I was looking at just had extra older stuff (not sure if it looks there for backwards compadability) |
| 18:22.53 | SynrG | maybe some legacy apps still use it |
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| 18:23.10 | somiaj | I don't actually use gnome so no real clue what is put where, it just keeps getting more complicated each time I look |
| 18:23.35 | somiaj | DrFoo: you could just start out with a clean $HOME as the don't want to hunt down which config is messing meup |
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| 18:24.07 | somiaj | DrFoo: mv /home/username /home/username-bak, mkdir /home/username, chown username.username /home/username |
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| 18:24.48 | SynrG | somiaj: e.g. i apparently still have an oldish 'meld' that uses it ... |
| 18:24.51 | somiaj | DrFoo: now you have a clean homedir for your user, he owns both username and username-bak and you can move your personal data to the new home dir. (this is taking a nuke to a fly approach but it will give you a clean settings in your $HOME dir) |
| 18:24.56 | SynrG | somiaj: everything else in ~/.gconf* looks old old old |
| 18:25.04 | SynrG | ,v meld |
| 18:25.05 | judd | Package: meld on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.2-2; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1; experimental: 3.11.0-1 |
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| 18:25.42 | SynrG | the meld in experimental Depends: dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend |
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| 18:26.03 | DrFoo | somiaj: I'll try that. I'm wondering if it's a permissions issue... |
| 18:26.08 | SynrG | the meld in wheezy/jessie/sid all depend only on gconf |
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| 18:55.26 | DrFoo | paste.debian.net/93239/ |
| 18:55.49 | DrFoo | What is happening? |
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| 19:01.50 | SyynrG | DrFoo: clutter blew up. Jessie? |
| 19:02.11 | SyynrG | I think it's proprietary driver related |
| 19:02.12 | DrFoo | SyynrG: No, dirty Wheezy. |
| 19:02.16 | SyynrG | Huh |
| 19:02.34 | SyynrG | Dirty? |
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| 19:03.05 | DrFoo | SyynrG: I miss squeeze. Rock solid.... wheezy has been a pain since I updated 9 mo ago |
| 19:03.17 | DrFoo | syynrG: a joke.... |
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| 19:04.17 | DrFoo | Syynrg: Do you have any idea what's happening? |
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| 19:05.02 | SynrG | DrFoo: other than clutter blowing up which i thought was a jessie-only/proprietary driver issue? no |
| 19:05.03 | DrFoo | The main symptom is I can't log into gnome and it gives the error "Oh no. Something has gone wrong." |
| 19:05.14 | DrFoo | just for this user |
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| 19:05.23 | DrFoo | SynrG: clutter? |
| 19:05.25 | SynrG | clean up whatever's doing clutter stuff? |
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| 19:05.58 | SynrG | (gnome-shell:4477): Clutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter: Failed to connected to any renderer: |
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| 19:06.01 | SynrG | XServer appears to lack required GLX 1.2 support |
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| 19:07.12 | SynrG | DrFoo: e.g. on a non-broken system: |
| 19:07.13 | SynrG | $ glxinfo | grep "GLX version" |
| 19:07.14 | SynrG | GLX version: 1.4 |
| 19:07.42 | SynrG | DrFoo: maybe do a non-gnome (or gnome classic) login and get the glxinfo output? |
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| 19:08.24 | SynrG | may be a false lead, however ... |
| 19:08.30 | SynrG | seems there are errors before that point |
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| 19:09.40 | DrFoo | SynrG: Would that affect all users? |
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| 19:09.49 | SynrG | DrFoo: what about tracker-miner? |
| 19:09.55 | SynrG | well, i would focus on your ~/.autostart |
| 19:10.20 | SynrG | pardon |
| 19:10.24 | SynrG | on your ~/.config/autostart |
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| 19:10.35 | SynrG | DrFoo: anything in there? |
| 19:11.18 | SynrG | DrFoo: i suspect the glx issue is simply "the session has been nuked, there's no glx to talk to anymore, oh my!" |
| 19:11.23 | DrFoo | No, I don't have a .autostart |
| 19:11.26 | SynrG | DrFoo: so a secondary effect of the real failure |
| 19:11.40 | SynrG | DrFoo: which i quickly corrected. reread above. |
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| 19:12.49 | SynrG | DrFoo: ~/.config/autostart (never rely on 47yo brain to recall obscure or even slightly disused filepaths :) |
| 19:12.57 | DrFoo | SynrG: What if I take a new user (working) and copy those files to this user, overwriting the core gnome files... |
| 19:13.08 | DrFoo | lol |
| 19:13.09 | SynrG | DrFoo: you still didn't answer me ... |
| 19:13.21 | SynrG | is ~/.config/autostart empty? |
| 19:13.32 | DrFoo | doesn't exist |
| 19:13.50 | SynrG | DrFoo: is there anything in /etc/xdg/autostart ? |
| 19:14.16 | SynrG | DrFoo: is there anything in ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session/ ? |
| 19:14.25 | SynrG | (the latter is probably more interesting since it is user-specific) |
| 19:14.47 | DrFoo | yes to /etc/xdg/autostart |
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| 19:15.24 | SynrG | unfortunately i think there are about a half dozen places you could potentially autostart things ... |
| 19:15.29 | SynrG | some of them holdovers from gnome2 |
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| 19:15.50 | SynrG | i believe i had a similar hunt when my dad made the gnome3 switch, but i no longer remember the details. |
| 19:15.53 | SynrG | too long ago. |
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| 19:17.41 | DrFoo | ok. I fat fingered the first thing. ~/.config/autostart just has gapcmon.desktop |
| 19:18.14 | DrFoo | There are no saved sessions in gnome-sessions |
| 19:18.25 | DrFoo | SynrG ^ |
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| 19:20.18 | SyynrG | DrFoo: re gapcmon.desktop ... what is its Exec= line? |
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| 19:21.04 | DrFoo | gapcmon |
| 19:21.12 | DrFoo | Its just a monitor for my ups |
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| 19:21.32 | SyynrG | DrFoo: considering problems show up with gapcmon at line 52 of your paste, long after the Fatal IO Error 11's start popping up in other things, i don't think that's the issue. |
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| 19:21.40 | SyynrG | but tracker-miner ... |
| 19:21.52 | DrFoo | what is that? |
| 19:21.55 | DrFoo | a package? |
| 19:21.58 | SyynrG | that tweaks my memory. but i can't remember how ... |
| 19:22.31 | SyynrG | have you looked at either of the tracker-miner-related logs in the error output you pasted? |
| 19:23.15 | SynrG | I'm vaguely recalling dad also had tracker-miner in there and may have been related to the problem at hand |
| 19:23.15 | DrFoo | Is that legit? It's a base class for data miners? |
| 19:23.21 | SynrG | it's legit |
| 19:24.03 | DrFoo | I'll check those logs now |
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| 19:25.13 | SynrG | DrFoo: i have such a log but it's very old. dates back to 2013 ... |
| 19:25.28 | SynrG | and yes, i have tracker-miner-fs installed on the system with that log |
| 19:25.44 | SynrG | (mind you, i may not have logged in there with gnome3 in a while, and it's sid, not wheezy ...) |
| 19:26.00 | SynrG | it's a desktop indexer thingy |
| 19:27.19 | DrFoo | ouch! |
| 19:27.45 | SynrG | you *may* not even want it :) |
| 19:27.59 | SynrG | but as i said, dunno if it actually was the problem or not. memory too hazy of the incident |
| 19:28.06 | SynrG | i *do* remember seeing it in dad's logs |
| 19:28.15 | DrFoo | I may have installed it.... I was looking for a Beagle like app at one point |
| 19:28.32 | DrFoo | almost the entire log is 1 error |
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| 19:29.06 | DrFoo | GLib-GIO-Critical **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection closed |
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| 19:29.21 | SynrG | well, may or may not be relevant. |
| 19:29.48 | SynrG | certainly if you don't use it, you can try removing it (well, provided it doesn't remove all of gnome or something ;) |
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| 19:35.56 | blockh34d | is anyone aware of how i could setup a debian running device to take data over the network from another machine and present it so the originating machine things the displaying machine is any other display device? suggested reading for this subject? Making a HMD, want to control it from remote machine |
| 19:36.11 | blockh34d | things the / thinks the |
| 19:36.34 | wols | blockh34d: remote X |
| 19:36.48 | blockh34d | ah through ssh eh |
| 19:36.58 | blockh34d | can that be used for opengl framebuffers? |
| 19:37.17 | blockh34d | that sounds a good idea i'll look into that |
| 19:37.27 | wols | probably not |
| 19:37.41 | wols | maybe in a fast LAN |
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| 19:38.08 | blockh34d | http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2522.jpg |
| 19:38.22 | blockh34d | hmm maybe something with LLVM? |
| 19:38.26 | ivanshmakov | blockh34d: I don’t know about framebuffers specifically, but at least /some/ OpenGL applications work just fine over $ ssh -X. |
| 19:38.56 | blockh34d | ivanshmakov: awesome thanks i'll have to look into that |
| 19:39.14 | blockh34d | ultimately i'd also like to transfer dual HD video streams to the same processing machine |
| 19:39.20 | blockh34d | i think my goals are unrealistic |
| 19:39.28 | blockh34d | but i'm happy with partial success for now |
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| 19:39.59 | wols | turbovnc/virtualgl |
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| 19:40.11 | wols | not unrealistic depending on the LAN you're in |
| 19:40.14 | blockh34d | notes it down |
| 19:40.19 | blockh34d | alos my outputs are super low res now |
| 19:40.27 | blockh34d | 640x240 would cover both of them |
| 19:40.36 | blockh34d | so i think that makes it maybe little more realistic |
| 19:40.53 | blockh34d | i'll look into those apps wols th anks |
| 19:42.19 | somiaj | I belive SPICE is also another method for network display devices. |
| 19:42.26 | blockh34d | it would really great if i could get that working over WIFI |
| 19:42.32 | blockh34d | oh great, thanks |
| 19:42.41 | blockh34d | but i think, baby steps |
| 19:42.50 | blockh34d | cable certainly faster so first, cable |
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| 19:43.46 | blockh34d | thnking about mmaking an open source HMD plan for people for AR/VR applications |
| 19:44.12 | blockh34d | and trying to develop the infrastructure code for developers to make little games/vr minecraft etc |
| 19:44.37 | blockh34d | seems kinda pointless with occulus rift on the way but i'm not 100% thrilled with rift |
| 19:44.48 | blockh34d | no AR, and i hate FB and always have |
| 19:45.07 | blockh34d | i think open hardware would be better |
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| 19:53.56 | Lady_Aleena | One of these days Debian will update and upgrade to where I can use it for serious applications. For now, all I can use it for is downloading email and talking on IRC. |
| 19:54.21 | Artemis3 | serious such as? |
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| 19:54.52 | Lady_Aleena | Artemis3, doing taxes in my browser. Apparently, IceWeasel doesn't like FreeFillableForms. |
| 19:55.19 | Lady_Aleena | I have to use Firefox for Windows to do taxes. |
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| 19:55.24 | Artemis3 | isn't that a browser issue then? how come the distro is at fault? can't you just use chrome or something? |
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| 19:56.05 | pankid | I am having an issue when I ssh into my server. I have an ssh key set up, but am still prompted for a password. When I run ssh with the -v flag I can see that ssh is checking the root .ssh directory instead of my users directory. Anyone know why this is and how I can get ssh to check my users directory? |
| 19:56.16 | Lady_Aleena | Artemis3, from what I have seen, Debian's software in the package manager is months if not years old, so recently technologies are lacking. |
| 19:56.49 | aysorth | pankid: check if you have the right permissions. |
| 19:57.21 | Artemis3 | Lady_Aleena, did you try the Firefox repository at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
| 19:57.22 | Lady_Aleena | s/recently/recent/ |
| 19:57.29 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that is changing. You can get newer iceweasle (Which is firefox) from mozilla.debian.net, and the security team is providing the version 24esr for wheezy as the security update. |
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| 19:58.04 | Lady_Aleena | Hubby is home, so I have to get going for a bit. (And I need to finish taxes in the living room.) |
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| 19:59.15 | pankid | I have run chmod 700 on my users .ssh directory and 600 on the authorized_keys file. I have also done chown -R on my users home directory |
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| 20:00.20 | somiaj | pankid: which user are you sshing as and are you sshing like 'ssh user@foo' -- is either of those root? |
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| 20:02.47 | pankid | I have been sshing in as root, because that is the only thing that will work with a key |
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| 20:03.04 | pankid | but I am trying to get another user I have made to work with a key so I can disable root access via ssh |
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| 20:07.28 | somiaj | pankid: it is going to look for the keys depending on the user you ssh as and the user you ssh to (afiak) |
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| 20:15.26 | mad_hatter | hey all im using sshfs to mount a remote filesystem to do my development locally instead of having to ssh into the box all the time. With sshfs, is the environment ported as well? |
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| 20:15.54 | Aeiri | mad_hatter: no, its just a filesystem mount through the SSH protocol |
| 20:16.26 | mad_hatter | so in your opinion |
| 20:16.33 | mad_hatter | what would be the best way to develop locally |
| 20:16.39 | Aeiri | well i was going to send to you first since i had lower ratings... but NOW ILL FUCKING DISAPPEAR!!! (lol joking) :P |
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| 21:08.27 | moha_hunt | hi, i'm using debian testing and since next gnome release is being pushed to testing things are a little weird, since 3 versions are installed, so I would like to know if there is an easy way to to keep just one version at a time and then upgrade when the next one is complete? |
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| 21:08.31 | g0d | sup |
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| 21:11.52 | Unode | Hi everyone, |
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| 21:12.34 | g0d | Hi Unode. |
| 21:12.38 | g0d | you seem very nice and respectful. |
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| 21:14.26 | Unode | I've been changing the UsePAM setting in sshd between yes and no and noticed a different login behavior with locked (! in /etc/shadow) vs nologin (* in /etc/shadow) users. |
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| 21:14.55 | Unode | In particular, when UsePAM is set to "no", a locked user is always denied even if public key authentication was setup by the user |
| 21:15.35 | Unode | however, when UsePAM is set to "yes", locked users are allowed to login as long as they have key authentication setup correctly |
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| 21:16.07 | Unode | As it stands, the "UsePAM no" behavior seems to make a lot more sense. |
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| 21:17.02 | Unode | Any clue if the "UsePAM yes" behavior is the expected? I find that in this situation I need to empty the user's authorized_keys file if I want to completely disable his access. |
| 21:17.25 | Unode | anyone? |
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| 21:18.12 | Unode | I'm testing this on wheezy by the way. |
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| 21:25.17 | nell | hey debian im doing a netinstall |
| 21:25.27 | nell | encrypting my volumes |
| 21:25.37 | nell | I'm wondering if I have to manually create a boot partition |
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| 21:47.31 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to set up Debian where I push the button to turn on my computer, walk away to get a glass of tea or go to the bathroom, and come back to see the desktop loaded? |
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| 21:48.15 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: are you using gnome? |
| 21:48.29 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, *sigh* No, KDE. |
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| 21:49.42 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: system settings -> login screen -> convenience -> auto-login |
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| 21:50.16 | zykotick9 | doesn't think auto-login is a good idea... or good policy. |
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| 21:50.42 | jordanm | if it's a desktop in your house, it's not a big deal |
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| 21:51.06 | jordanm | if someone has physical access they can access your files anyways assuming your drive is not encrypted |
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| 21:51.36 | Lady_Aleena | zykotick9 and jordanm, it is the computer in my house. The only other person in the house is my hubby. |
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| 21:52.25 | jordanm | yeah, definately a bad idea... the hubby might get unauthorized access to your vacation pics |
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| 21:52.51 | OperaGhostkv | If you have physical access .we can't stop them from reading our files whatever we do |
| 21:53.03 | Lady_Aleena | I tend to leave my computer running for extended amounts of time, so hubby can use it if he cares to learn how to. |
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| 21:54.00 | zykotick9 | OperaGhostkv: encrypted filesystems and turning the system off, are a good start. auto-login, exact opposite. |
| 21:54.35 | Lady_Aleena | Next, set up my computer to mount(?) floppies, CDs, DVDs, iOmegas, and USBs in the background. |
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| 21:54.58 | petern_ | iomegas :D |
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| 21:55.17 | Lady_Aleena | I want instant access to any source of files I insert into or connect to my computer. |
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| 21:55.28 | petern_ | That should just happen as long as you're in the right groups. |
| 21:55.35 | petern_ | Or at least, it does in Gnome. |
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| 21:56.00 | jordanm | my kde desktop has a popup for actions when I plug in a device |
| 21:56.08 | Lady_Aleena | petern_, I inserted a floppy the other day and went to /media/floppy, and it wasn't there. |
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| 21:56.35 | jordanm | I can't blame people for not designing modern desktops for easy floppy disk access |
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| 21:56.49 | petern_ | Yeah, I don't think floppy drives tended to have presence sensing. |
| 21:56.57 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, I have files on all kinds of devices. |
| 21:57.02 | petern_ | (Some did, but not a PC I don't think) |
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| 21:57.22 | peterrooney | what's a floppy drive? |
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| 21:57.35 | Lady_Aleena | I don't want to have to mount(?) anything ever again. I want it all automatic. |
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| 21:58.07 | petern_ | I don't think I've needed to manually mount anything for quite a few Debian versions. |
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| 21:58.40 | petern_ | I'd be surprised if KDE doesn't have automounting built in. |
| 21:58.41 | Lady_Aleena | petern_, I plug in a usb and I get an annoying popup. I want that popup to go away forever. |
| 21:58.44 | marchelly | Hi, when runnung rcconf there are empty descriptions in front of some service names. Why this happens? Is rcconf perl scrypt taking description from initscript's # Short-Description: or not? |
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| 21:59.05 | jordanm | Lady_Aleena: even without the popup it should auto mount when you click on the device in dolphin |
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| 21:59.25 | Lady_Aleena | jordanm, the floppy didn't show up in Dolphin either. |
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| 21:59.46 | jordanm | goes back to early floppy disk comment |
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| 22:00.31 | Lady_Aleena | However, it looks like marchelly has a more urgent matter. I will sit back until marchelly is done. |
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| 22:02.02 | marchelly | Lady_Aleena, it's sad but I'm not perl guru so didn't found the string it (rcconf) take description string from. |
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| 22:02.45 | Lady_Aleena | marchelly, I don't know anything when it comes to things like that. |
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| 22:03.27 | Anuska | Hi, i install apache2 and i have some problem with the permision: http://pastebin.com/vV1QD55N |
| 22:03.38 | Anuska | how i resolve the permision with chmod...? |
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| 22:05.03 | sylvesterTheCat | Anuska: which operation are you trying to execute? |
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| 22:05.16 | Anuska | to upload file in web |
| 22:05.19 | Anuska | and give me error |
| 22:05.31 | Anuska | webmail is a backup from the old debian |
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| 22:05.39 | marchelly | Anuska, cd <path to htdocs dir> and find . -type d -exec chmod 0775 {} \; && find . -type f -exec chmod 0664 {} \; and yes, you should be in this group |
| 22:05.55 | Anuska | yes i do that |
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| 22:07.22 | Anuska | hmm work |
| 22:07.27 | Anuska | let me send a email to see if work |
| 22:07.28 | Lady_Aleena | Is there an op here? mostafa_sedaghat is beginning to get on my nerves. |
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| 22:08.24 | Anuska | not work Warning: Failed to move file! |
| 22:08.32 | zophy | hi |
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| 22:09.05 | Anuska | marchelly, i think the problem is the user www-data |
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| 22:09.52 | zophy | there are a lot of www-data users |
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| 22:10.05 | marchelly | Anuska, chown -R root:www-data /path/to/your/htdocs |
| 22:10.05 | zophy | i hope the problem isn't too bad |
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| 22:11.09 | sylvesterTheCat | Anuska: after chown don't forget to "chmod 0775 /path/to/docs |
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| 22:11.26 | Anuska | find . -type d -exec chmod 0775 {} \; && find . -type f -exec chmod 0664 {} \; |
| 22:11.27 | Anuska | this |
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| 22:12.13 | marchelly | Anuska, yes, if you are already in your htdocs dir |
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| 22:12.20 | zophy | mostafa_.... uses a TD-W8901G |
| 22:12.22 | zophy | heh |
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| 22:12.36 | marchelly | cd /to/your/htdocs/ and then find... |
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| 22:12.54 | Anuska | Could not upload the file to /var/www/webmail/xxxx/afis_complet.jpg |
| 22:12.56 | Anuska | not work |
| 22:12.57 | Anuska | :( |
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| 22:13.46 | marchelly | Anuska, what do you mean apload? using ftp? |
| 22:13.52 | marchelly | *upload |
| 22:13.56 | Anuska | no |
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| 22:14.00 | Anuska | using cp from usb |
| 22:14.02 | Anuska | as root |
| 22:14.22 | Lady_Aleena | Op! |
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| 22:15.14 | marchelly | Anuska, what error you get when you are doing cp /mnt/usb/file /path/to/webmail ? |
| 22:15.31 | Anuska | no error |
| 22:15.38 | Anuska | i upload the website |
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| 22:15.48 | Anuska | i connect at db |
| 22:15.51 | marchelly | so what the problem? |
| 22:16.04 | Anuska | i save the config... but not work to upload a th files |
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| 22:16.36 | Anuska | in website |
| 22:16.37 | Anuska | using php |
| 22:16.39 | marchelly | your webserver is working from www-data user on no? |
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| 22:17.40 | Anuska | no know |
| 22:17.44 | Anuska | where i see that? |
| 22:21.07 | marchelly | Anuska, ps aux | grep apache |
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| 22:21.40 | marchelly | the first value in line is user |
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| 22:21.59 | Anuska | ps aux | grep apache |
| 22:22.29 | Anuska | http://pastebin.com/a3caUZWq |
| 22:22.59 | Anuska | marchelly, |
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| 22:24.01 | somiaj | Anuska: please do not ask the same question across networks. Pick one. |
| 22:24.20 | Anuska | somiaj, can you help me? |
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| 22:25.09 | ice9 | is it safe to install ubuntu packages on debian? |
| 22:25.21 | somiaj | ice9: not even close |
| 22:25.36 | ice9 | ok |
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| 22:25.43 | somiaj | ice9: it isnt' safe to install debian 'jessie' packages on debian 'wheezy', this is a far worse of a scenerior than that |
| 22:25.48 | somiaj | ice9: what do you want to install on debian? |
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| 22:26.16 | marchelly | yes it's www-data it's ok. ls -lh /var/www/ and ls -lh /var/www/webmail you should check perms, looks like you did not done chmod + chown right. This should work after you run this: chown -R root:www-data /var/www/ && cd /var/www/ && find . -type d -exec chmod 0775 {} \; && find . -type f -exec chmod 0664 {} \; |
| 22:26.21 | ice9 | somiaj: flightgear which is very big in size and I'm on slow connection so instead of re-downloading it again |
| 22:26.41 | marchelly | double check rights. |
| 22:27.17 | somiaj | ice9: debian has flight gear in it's repos, why not install those? |
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| 22:27.44 | somiaj | ice9: oh I see, yea the binaries will depend on different versions of libaries, stuff may be put in different parts on your system, over all it is just not worth it |
| 22:28.05 | ice9 | I see |
| 22:28.43 | Anuska | marchelly, somiaj : ls -lh /var/www/webmail |
| 22:28.47 | ice9 | I installed debian on existing luks lvm using the live cd and I created the /etc/crypttab file and rebuilt the initramfs but still unable to boot! |
| 22:28.48 | somiaj | marchelly: I personally wouldn't suggest giving www-data write access to all the files, but that is just me. (: |
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| 22:28.50 | hastoor | copiling apache? I love doing that esp enabling nonportable atomics |
| 22:28.54 | Anuska | marchelly, somiaj : http://pastebin.com/LhLtkVMd |
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| 22:29.44 | Anuska | marchelly, i type that command and is the same |
| 22:30.06 | somiaj | Anuska: looks good so far, again I wouldn't suggest giving www-data write access to files, I'd use 644 and 755 (over 664 and 775) |
| 22:30.12 | TJ- | ice9: what does "unable to boot" mean, precisely? |
| 22:30.36 | somiaj | Anuska: but either way, what is the error you get from apache now when trying to goto 'domainname/webmail' |
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| 22:30.55 | Anuska | no error work |
| 22:31.00 | Anuska | all work fine |
| 22:31.01 | ice9 | TJ-: stops at the initramfs promp after loading some stuff |
| 22:31.01 | marchelly | Anuska, you have correct perms. install imagemagick or gd2 or some other tool that your webapp is using to make thumbs. the problem should be on php side as it can't resize image or so, I guess |
| 22:31.15 | Anuska | only when i want to upload file on cms give me this err |
| 22:31.31 | somiaj | Anuska: again letting www-data be able to write to all of those files makes it so someone can use your webserver to write/delete/modify those files, which isn't good pratice |
| 22:31.43 | marchelly | Anuska, you are trying to upload not a file but image, right? |
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| 22:31.53 | somiaj | Anuska: you most likely want to only make the upload directory have primisions for www-data to write. |
| 22:31.58 | Anuska | a file / image / pdf |
| 22:32.01 | Anuska | is the same |
| 22:32.12 | TJ- | ice9: Did you ensure that "cryptsetup" and "lvm2" are installed into the installation target? Without "cryptsetup" in the target, there'll be no initramfs hooks fired to copy the boot-time crypttab entry to the initrd image |
| 22:32.17 | somiaj | Anuska: what error dose it give you? |
| 22:32.26 | Anuska | drwxrwxr-x 2 root www-data 12K Apr 12 01:06 upload |
| 22:32.38 | Anuska | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.38 | Anuska | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.40 | marchelly | somiaj, absolutly right, this is debug version of rights, then it sould be changed to 755 644 and only to images and other apache writable folders to extended rights |
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| 22:33.58 | somiaj | Anuska: just to make sure it isn't permissions try chmod 777 /var/www/webmail/media/com_acymailing/upload/ -- and make sure there are no files in there by the name flyer_spate.jpg |
| 22:34.09 | TJ- | ice9: Also, Is the target configured with a separate /boot/ file-system, or is that LUKS-encrypted too? |
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| 22:35.04 | somiaj | Anuska: after you do that, do you get the same error? |
| 22:35.16 | ice9 | TJ-: /boot is on separate usb drive, cryptsetup is installed on the target but how do I ensure that it is included in the initramfs? |
| 22:35.54 | Anuska | yes somiaj the same error |
| 22:36.24 | TJ- | ice9: If "cryptsetup" is installed in the target the package also installs initramfs-tools hook scripts. |
| 22:36.53 | somiaj | Anuska: try this, touch testfile && mv testfile /var/www/webmail/media/com_acymailing/upload/ -- maybe do that as a nonroot user |
| 22:37.04 | hastoor | how about you not change the default ddisk setup? |
| 22:37.06 | hastoor | :) |
| 22:37.09 | hastoor | that might work |
| 22:37.19 | TJ- | ice9: Provided the entry in "/etc/crypttab" matches the rootfs device in "/etc/fstab", those scripts will know to copy the 'crypttab' entry into the initrd image's "/conf/" directory |
| 22:37.20 | Anuska | somiaj, work that |
| 22:37.26 | hastoor | encrypting hard drives is so secuirty theater |
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| 22:38.44 | somiaj | Anuska: I'm out of ideas, the only thing I could think of is your software is forcing you to have the sticky bit set, do you have the instructions for this webmail software you using on the permissions you should set the upload dictory too? |
| 22:38.59 | marchelly | Anuska, you have problem in your app. it is gd2 or imagemagick installed/enabled in php ? your webmail write common error, where are details? |
| 22:39.00 | Anuska | let me show you how is the ls -lah on the /mnt/windows/backup |
| 22:39.02 | TJ- | ice9: You can check what files are in the initrd image using "lsintramfs" |
| 22:39.10 | Anuska | to see the file |
| 22:39.43 | somiaj | Anuska: you can set the sticky bit with chmod 1777 |
| 22:39.44 | ice9 | TJ-: crypttab is not in the initramfs |
| 22:39.54 | somiaj | Anuska: the ntfs would have buchered the permissions so not the best place to look |
| 22:40.20 | hastoor | savagery!! |
| 22:40.25 | somiaj | anyways I have to head out, I can't think of anything, but if it doens't work with 777 permissions there is something else keeping you from moving the file |
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| 22:41.01 | TJ- | ice9: No, it uses "/conf/conf.d/cryptroot" |
| 22:41.43 | TJ- | ice9: There should also be "/sbin/cryptsetup" |
| 22:41.47 | ice9 | TJ-: what is the format of that file, same like crypttab? |
| 22:42.04 | ice9 | TJ-: /sbin/cryptsetup is there |
| 22:42.16 | TJ- | ice9: Yes, I seem to recall it is. |
| 22:42.52 | TJ- | ice9: If there is a key-file and a related key-script, that'll be in "lib/cryptsetup/scripts/" |
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| 22:43.01 | ice9 | TJ-: conf.d/cryptroot should be under /etc/initramfs-tools/ ? |
| 22:43.29 | TJ- | ice9: No, it is "/conf/conf.d/cryptroot" in the initrd image |
| 22:44.15 | Anuska | somiaj, i delete the folder /var/www/webmail and i copy again the arhive and unzipped |
| 22:44.22 | ice9 | TJ-: cryptroot is in the initramfs image but crypttab is not |
| 22:44.22 | Anuska | and i type: ls -lah |
| 22:44.24 | Anuska | drwxr-xr-x 16 www-data www-data 4.0K Dec 21 00:02 webmail |
| 22:44.45 | Anuska | is www-data www-data ( was on the debian first ... when i create the arhive ) |
| 22:44.48 | TJ- | ice9: That is correct, "/etc/crypttab" is in the real rootfs. |
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| 22:46.01 | Anuska | .doc / .pdf work |
| 22:46.15 | Anuska | .png work |
| 22:46.26 | ice9 | TJ-: the format of the current cryptroot is like: target=crypthd,source=<uuid>,key=none,rootdev,lvm=vg1 is that correct? or should be like: crypthd /dev/sda2 none luks |
| 22:46.38 | Anuska | i try to upload jpg at 6mb not work |
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| 22:46.56 | Anuska | jpg 2mb not work |
| 22:47.13 | Anuska | mp3 work |
| 22:47.28 | TJ- | ice9: When the system does "update-initramfs -u" the hook script "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot" runs, which generates the "/conf/conf.d/cryptroot" |
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| 22:48.11 | Anuska | jpg 300kb, work |
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| 22:48.16 | Anuska | huh is the problem of size... |
| 22:48.33 | vook | Anuska: maybe someone already said this, but php can restrict upload size |
| 22:49.40 | Anuska | strange |
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| 22:49.45 | Anuska | i need to see php.ini? |
| 22:49.53 | vook | look for "post_max_size" in php.ini |
| 22:50.10 | ice9 | TJ-: I havae no "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot" script |
| 22:50.22 | rawburt | I'm reuilding one of my weservers, and want to go ahead and go with jessie. do I just fetch the latest nightly ISO and specify jessie in my sources.list? then when jessie is released, I'll have to do nothing? |
| 22:51.00 | Anuska | post_max_size = 8M |
| 22:51.00 | vook | also, the webmail prog can restrict filetype |
| 22:51.06 | TJ- | ice9: that file is in the real rootfs, not in the initrd. My initrd's "/conf/conf.d/cryptroot" looks like: "target=LUKS_Hephaestion,source=UUID=4ead8975-c34f-4922-8d0c-25a673ea7d2b,key=<keyfile>,rootdev,lvm=Hephaestion-Ubuntu_14.04_rootfs,keyscript=/lib/cryptsetup/scripts/luks_keyfile.sh" |
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| 22:51.51 | ice9 | TJ-: the hooks cryptroot is no in the rootfs |
| 22:51.54 | ice9 | not* |
| 22:52.03 | Anuska | vook, the same error... |
| 22:52.14 | Anuska | i change in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 22:52.47 | Anuska | upload_max_filesize |
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| 22:53.18 | Anuska | Successfully Saved |
| 22:53.22 | skribblezatcha | hi, does anyone know if wheezy has the openssl patch. openssl 1.0.1g in their online repo's? |
| 22:53.23 | Anuska | work pfffffffffffffffffffffffff |
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| 22:53.46 | Anuska | vook, marchelly somiaj was the upload_max_filesize |
| 22:54.07 | vook | it's working? |
| 22:54.25 | TJ- | ice9: Which suggests that "cryptsetup" package isn't fully installed in the rootfs, or else there are more significant differences between the Debian and Ubuntu packages than I've noticed previously |
| 22:54.34 | Anuska | vook, yes |
| 22:54.37 | Anuska | thanks |
| 22:54.37 | vook | nice |
| 22:54.51 | ice9 | TJ-: I just did fresh installation of debian from the live cd |
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| 22:55.09 | nell | I'm looking for an intelligent partitioning scheme for a security distro |
| 22:55.14 | nell | using debian netinst |
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| 22:56.49 | TJ- | ice9: Check that "/etc/default/cryptdisks" has "CRYPTDISKS_ENABLE=Yes" |
| 22:56.50 | ice9 | TJ-: I reinstalled cryptsetup now and it installed the cryptroot script, I don't know why it wasn't not installed from the beginning |
| 22:57.08 | TJ- | ice9: That might help you :) |
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| 22:57.38 | ice9 | TJ-: now I will try to reboot and talk to you later from debian |
| 22:58.51 | hastoor | yeah |
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| 23:00.32 | hastoor | zomg guile latest is not in binary |
| 23:00.38 | hastoor | .11 vs .5 |
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| 23:00.50 | hastoor | stop everything |
| 23:01.27 | skribblezatcha | nevermind. i will just go and look. lol |
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| 23:01.33 | skribblezatcha | peace and God bless you all. |
| 23:01.35 | hastoor | http://www.web-artanis.com/about.html |
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| 23:01.45 | hastoor | websites in scheme aw yeah!! http://www.web-artanis.com/about.html |
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| 23:04.04 | hastoor | anyone know where to find ricecat? |
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| 23:05.06 | internet_explore | Hey. |
| 23:05.26 | vook | is there a way in a single line of sed (or perl) to replace "sampletext" anywhere it falls on the line, but only where it is surrounded by spaces or begins or ends a line? |
| 23:05.30 | internet_explore | What's a recommendended/safe way to make a Debian installer USB on Windows? Specifically x64 Windows 8 where x86 applications often don't work. |
| 23:05.50 | internet_explore | Unless I find a way to make Windows 8 no longer be my primary working environment I'm afraid I'll die from stress-induced strokes within the hour. |
| 23:06.13 | hastoor | sed does it with single tics |
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| 23:06.28 | hastoor | include said spaces betwixt |
| 23:06.33 | zykotick9 | !tell internet_explore about usb install |
| 23:06.47 | vook | thanks hastoor |
| 23:06.57 | internet_explore | vook, Don't say his name, you have no idea what you're doing... |
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| 23:08.40 | vook | well, the contents of the search/replace expression are environmental variables. perhaps if I escape them. |
| 23:09.13 | internet_explore | zykotick9, Ah cool, I saw a load of tools for it, but after being told unetbootin was messing up images I didn't wanna try doing an actual install with any of those tools unless I knew some Debian people could vouch for it (Not holding you to the program working). Cheers anyway. |
| 23:10.10 | zykotick9 | internet_explore: it's certainly not something i've personally used... i haven't used windows in a long time (pre SP1 for XP) |
| 23:10.41 | internet_explore | zykotick9, Yea I'm not really a routine windows user, I just got a laptop with windows 8 on it. |
| 23:10.54 | internet_explore | The worst part... it's not actually bad. It's just the small things that are infuriating. |
| 23:11.21 | zykotick9 | wouldn't buy anything with win8 on it... good luck with the UEFI/Secure Boot/Restricted Boot stuff... |
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| 23:11.50 | internet_explore | zykotick9, You can turn that off in the BIOS, you know. |
| 23:11.52 | monkwitdafunk | is there any documentation how how to install packagea from the optical media sets using synaptic |
| 23:11.57 | internet_explore | zykotick9, Plus, I sorta want Windows honestly, for gaming and testing.\ |
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| 23:14.02 | Anpu | anyone know if openssl [0.9.8o-4squeeze2] is affected by heartbleed bug too? |
| 23:14.24 | internet_explore | Anpu, No, but I'd go looking at secunia.com if I were you. |
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| 23:14.50 | monkwitdafunk | i got an email from.mcafee on the heartbleed bug |
| 23:15.00 | internet_explore | Anpu, I did use to work for them, but they do good security reporting. Find the product page for OpenSSL, then the advisory for Heartbleed. Then you should be able to see exactly which versions are affected etc. |
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| 23:15.20 | Anpu | thanks will check it! |
| 23:15.27 | ice9 | TJ-: thank you so much, now i can boot debian :) |
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| 23:15.58 | holycow | is openssl patched now in wheezy? |
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| 23:16.38 | TJ- | ice9: Great :) |
| 23:16.50 | holycow | apt shows it as 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 and website say it is fixed in 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 |
| 23:16.50 | apt | holycow: what are you talking about? |
| 23:17.04 | zykotick9 | holycow: as topic states "/msg dpkg dsa2896" |
| 23:17.10 | holycow | thanks! |
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| 23:17.32 | ice9 | debian doesn't recognize my ethernet! i think it doesn't have the driver, what should i do? |
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| 23:17.48 | hastoor | execute everyth 10th man! |
| 23:18.08 | hastoor | sacricice them to the old ones! |
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| 23:21.06 | holycow | apt: you were right, my bad |
| 23:21.15 | holycow | zykotick9: thank you very muchly |
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| 23:23.20 | b0t | Hello, I need some kind person to take a moment to install kiwiirc in my vps, I use debian |
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| 23:24.51 | internet_explore | b0t, You're not actually gonna allow some random person to SSH in and install shit on your network, are you? |
| 23:25.03 | internet_explore | b0t, Because I'll totally "volunteer", I could use some new computers. |
| 23:25.15 | mdim | hi all. I'm a computer science student trying to do reproducible research. Towards that goal, I am planning to have a Debian vritual machine via preseeding. In order to always have the same package versions, I was wondering if "apt-get upgrade -y" would always yield the same package versions on a clean install without running "apt-get update" prior to that. |
| 23:25.40 | b0t | its my problem |
| 23:25.55 | internet_explore | b0t, Yes it is, but I'm telling you because I think you're setting yourself up for trouble. |
| 23:26.01 | b0t | i say kind person |
| 23:26.01 | holycow | mdim: why don't you use snapshotting instead |
| 23:26.05 | internet_explore | mdim, Why not make one kind... |
| 23:26.13 | internet_explore | mdim, yea, why not do what holycow is suggesting? |
| 23:26.18 | holycow | far easier |
| 23:26.37 | b0t | good people |
| 23:26.39 | hastoor | worry more about working code |
| 23:26.42 | mdim | holycow: Well, I might do that at one point, but I just want to be able to produce exactly the same environment just given a starting script |
| 23:27.55 | mdim | so, the idea is to always have a well-defined starting point, i.e. a clean Debian installation |
| 23:27.56 | internet_explore | mdim, It's a really, really tall order, though. |
| 23:27.57 | holycow | well the answer is probably no |
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| 23:28.11 | holycow | unless you run your own repo with your own versions of packages |
| 23:28.20 | internet_explore | mdim, You could pay me to do it, but it'd take a while and IMO you're setting yourself up for trouble without much gain. |
| 23:28.49 | holycow | don't forget, debian repos update all the time. i just updated openssl to fix the heartbleed thing for example, so if i had a fresh install it would be slightly different than before the security fix |
| 23:29.10 | mdim | so, if I do a clean install Debian on a machine at 10 different time points, and run "apt-get upgrade -y" without doing "apt-get update", I am not always going to get the same package versions? |
| 23:29.13 | internet_explore | mdim, We understand that you want easy, reproducible results. You should listen to hastoor, your code matters more, and that aside, you'll have a much easier time with snapshots than with this. |
| 23:29.27 | holycow | you really want to consider having a master vm in cold storage as your 'seed' and then child vms / copies of that with an initial snapshot to give you a quick way to get back to start if you need to |
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| 23:29.57 | hastoor | debian is like a galaxy |
| 23:30.05 | hastoor | your programming language the planet |
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| 23:30.12 | hastoor | your code the anthill |
| 23:30.30 | hastoor | dig your anthill! |
| 23:30.39 | mdim | ok, don't you worry about my code. I got here to find out about this part I've been talking about |
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| 23:30.43 | holycow | the packages you ned up with will change as the update process querries the repo and repos push out security fixes all the time (assuming debian stable) |
| 23:30.52 | hastoor | im not worried |
| 23:30.55 | hastoor | but u should be |
| 23:31.00 | ice9 | debian doesn't recognize my ethernet! i think it doesn't have the driver, what should i do? |
| 23:31.13 | ZitZ | can you use puppet to tell your servers to upgrade their version of apache? (i'm not a puppet user... yet) |
| 23:31.18 | internet_explore | mdim, We're not trying to hinder you. Asking people how to do a specific implementation is a far inferior idea to asking people the best thing to do. |
| 23:31.19 | hastoor | got pricewatch.com and buy an amdfx 8 way |
| 23:31.35 | internet_explore | ZitZ, Can it SSH into the servers and execute commands? If so, yes. |
| 23:31.36 | holycow | ZitZ: not without having a master "repo" to work from |
| 23:31.40 | hastoor | skip puppet and use the magic of virtual hosts |
| 23:31.48 | mdim | so, Debian repos don't keep multiple versions of a package (if we assume Debian Wheezy)? |
| 23:32.00 | holycow | no, they don't |
| 23:32.11 | holycow | you can of course |
| 23:32.14 | holycow | you can run your own repot |
| 23:32.15 | internet_explore | mdim, You should stop trying to figure out how to do what you came here wanting to do. Really. We are saying with your best interests in heart that you are setting yourself up for pointless hard work. |
| 23:32.17 | holycow | thats not too heard |
| 23:32.18 | holycow | and |
| 23:32.25 | holycow | you can "snapshot" those if you want |
| 23:32.51 | holycow | so if you want to use the update mechanism as you said and make sure the same pacakges are used, you have to run your own repo and then keep that from being updated |
| 23:32.52 | mdim | so, what's the point of "apt-get update"? |
| 23:33.01 | holycow | well, the point is to update |
| 23:33.12 | holycow | its not a versioning tool |
| 23:33.14 | mdim | what gets updated? |
| 23:33.15 | holycow | its an update tool |
| 23:33.27 | holycow | depends on what you want, but basically assume everything |
| 23:33.59 | internet_explore | mdim, "update" updates the list of software and versions, i.e. tells you the current version numbers for things on the server. "upgrade", then, actually applies the patches if you're missing any. |
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| 23:34.37 | holycow | generally speaking, and as a developer you know this, a package manager will really only handle updates and not regression |
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| 23:34.58 | mdim | so, if I don't run "apt-get update", and my system has an outdated package information, will it still install the version available on the repo server? |
| 23:35.09 | holycow | the reason for that is obvious, fixes are always upstream and regression via backward package compatability computation is just not worth it |
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| 23:35.23 | holycow | if you need to regress a package, you recompile it from scratch and patch in whatever dependencies you want |
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| 23:35.44 | holycow | well no |
| 23:35.53 | holycow | how are you going to install the package if you don't rund apt-get update? |
| 23:35.56 | holycow | that is the update command |
| 23:36.06 | holycow | how else would you expect it to install the package? |
| 23:36.15 | internet_explore | holycow, Don't you mean apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:36.24 | internet_explore | holycow, Maybe I'm missing something though... |
| 23:36.26 | holycow | woops! internet_explore is correct my bad |
| 23:36.31 | holycow | no no you are right |
| 23:36.39 | holycow | update updates the local information about packages |
| 23:36.43 | holycow | upgrade upgrades it |
| 23:36.44 | holycow | however |
| 23:36.45 | internet_explore | Heh yea good, I had a "Wait..." moment there for a sec. :P |
| 23:36.54 | mdim | let's say my system has python x, it's database says that version x.1 is available, but actually the newest version available on the server is x.2? Which one get's installed when I run "apt-get upgrade -y"? |
| 23:37.00 | holycow | once the repo is updated, your upgrade command will return an error because it won't be able to find the old package |
| 23:37.11 | holycow | old packages are moved out of repos once updated |
| 23:37.13 | hastoor | when i install i run apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y && reboot |
| 23:37.14 | hastoor | :) |
| 23:37.35 | holycow | mdim: your machine will look for the local version indicated in the db |
| 23:37.42 | holycow | but it won't find it on the repo |
| 23:37.44 | holycow | and give you an error |
| 23:37.46 | holycow | nothing gets installed |
| 23:37.48 | holycow | but then |
| 23:37.53 | holycow | you ahve a problem now |
| 23:38.06 | holycow | you have a script asking for x.1 but only x.2 exists in the repo |
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| 23:38.13 | holycow | your new image WILL NOT have that package installed at all |
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| 23:38.32 | holycow | and likely your entire process will fail and you will be back here cursing why you have to fix it manually |
| 23:38.34 | internet_explore | hastoor, And reboot? Never saw that be necessary on linux unless you want to update the kernel. |
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| 23:39.20 | internet_explore | mdim, Seriously, people are NOT telling you that your idea isn't ideal to damage your work or set you back. We just really think you'll be happier if you don't try to do that. |
| 23:39.29 | hastoor | I fear hald n ldconf n crap |
| 23:39.31 | hastoor | maybe overkill |
| 23:39.37 | internet_explore | mdim, That it's possible, or even that it fixes the problem, doesn't mean it's a good solution. |
| 23:39.37 | mdim | ok, thx all |
| 23:39.42 | mdim | and one related question |
| 23:39.57 | hastoor | fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this battle station! |
| 23:40.25 | mdim | the current stable release is Debian Wheezy. What would happen in 10 years if I try to do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" on a Debian Wheezy machine? |
| 23:40.34 | somiaj | Anuska: make sure you go fix your permissions you want 755 and 644 on everything except teh uploads directory |
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| 23:40.52 | tremon | mdim: apt will get 404 errors |
| 23:41.03 | holycow | mdim: it would fail. |
| 23:41.06 | mdim | tremon: wheezy repos won't be available any more? |
| 23:41.09 | internet_explore | Huh. Was actually curious about the answer to that one. |
| 23:41.15 | internet_explore | Though it depends on what you have in your sources.lst |
| 23:41.19 | tremon | not on the current url |
| 23:41.20 | holycow | no everything gets archived though |
| 23:41.23 | internet_explore | If you have "stable" instead of, say, wheezy it should work. |
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| 23:41.31 | internet_explore | Unless they change their URL's or something. |
| 23:41.37 | somiaj | mdim: at that time you would have to change your sources to archive.debian.org, then you can upgrade to the last state of wheezy before it hit the end of it's life. |
| 23:41.44 | mdim | if I put "wheezy" in my source list? |
| 23:41.59 | holycow | note that what internet_explore said is true, but, that will upgrade everything to the current stable packages ... th enewest stuff |
| 23:42.04 | somiaj | you do not want stable there, having stable would be very very damagning, by that time you would upgrade to multiple releases and surely hose your system |
| 23:42.06 | tremon | !tell mdim about archive.debian.org |
| 23:42.16 | mdim | can I already point to archive.debian.org and expect wheezy packages there? |
| 23:42.17 | internet_explore | Yea, it would effectively be a dist-upgrade and it would almost certainly break your system. |
| 23:42.23 | somiaj | mdim: you want to have wheezy there, not stable, and you would just have to change the servers that is about it |
| 23:42.39 | somiaj | mdim: nope, it is moved to the archive once it reaches it's end of life (or sometime after) |
| 23:42.46 | holycow | ... well almost true |
| 23:42.57 | holycow | the archives will have teh VERY LATEST packages of that release |
| 23:42.58 | tremon | mdim: no. Releases are either on debian's main release site, or on archive.debian.org. Not on both |
| 23:43.01 | holycow | not all of the versions of the packages |
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| 23:43.28 | holycow | mdim wants all versions of a particular release not only to be available but for dpkg to be able to backwards regress the dependencies |
| 23:43.43 | holycow | in other words, mdim wants vm snapshotting |
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| 23:44.08 | hastoor | dont use virtualization or snapshotting use virtual hosts and reiserFS |
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| 23:45.09 | somiaj | do wheezy packages get put on snapshot.debian.org (the upgrades) and I wonder how long snapshot.debian.org keeps packages -- though there is no clean sources from that place |
| 23:45.18 | mdim | I am just thinking what options there are if I want to make my tool work in 10 years as well (without me making any interventions), and without taking a snapshot now |
| 23:45.43 | holycow | sure. you want vm snaphots or file system snapshots |
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| 23:45.50 | holycow | or your own repo |
| 23:46.33 | holycow | or you can use archive.* but only AFTER the release has been archived as those never get updated and will have the very LAST packages released |
| 23:46.49 | tremon | mdim: I think you're underestimating the "stability" of debian stable. If you write a tool now for debian stable, chances are very good that it will still work when the current stable gets archived |
| 23:47.01 | holycow | but i would never trust the repos for consistency, who knows |
| 23:47.34 | mdim | tremon: I'm not. I'm thinking of Debian for so many things that make Debian stable. |
| 23:48.00 | mdim | I'm just trying to think how to provide the same environment |
| 23:48.28 | holycow | lol, we gave you 3 amazing ways to do it, why are you thinking? |
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| 23:48.40 | mdim | newer package versions might change their interface/configuration files, so my tool might not work on, e.g. Debian in 10 years |
| 23:48.58 | somiaj | mdim: the tool will probabaly still work as in you can get the full wheezy os as it was at the time of its end of life. It is possible it just wno't be very secure |
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| 23:49.37 | mdim | somiaj: it won't be a production system, so that's not a concern |
| 23:49.46 | internet_explore | mdim, What are you even trying to do? In any sort of sane world, your code would have a "dependencies" file which lists the libs you depend on and their versions... I'm basing this off what I do in Python, but whatever is appropriate in the lanugage you are using... |
| 23:49.48 | tremon | mdim: even if that is the case, the latest release of the current stable will still be availlable through archive.debian.org |
| 23:49.58 | internet_explore | mdim, Everything about what you are doing sounds to me like you are setting yourself up for ekstra, pointless work. |
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| 23:50.35 | niriven | hi, i realize people do not like questions about installing testing, but i understand the risks and would like to do so anyway. i still have yet to figure out how to load the needed wireless firmware during installation in jessie (wheezy will prompt for firmware during installation). I have tried the unoffical images that have firmware, but it still cannot load my iwlwifi ucode. how do i perform an installation using the testing iso |
| 23:51.05 | mdim | so, Debian Squeeze is already on archive.debian.org, right? So maybe I could start off with that version |
| 23:51.07 | somiaj | niriven: you do not install testing from the testing installer |
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| 23:51.35 | somiaj | niriven: use the netinstall (or even the firmware image netinstall) for wheezy. Install a minimial base system. dist-upgrade the base system to testing. Install the rest of your software is the safest way. |
| 23:51.36 | tremon | mdim: no, it isn't. Lenny is on archive, squeeze is the current oldstable, not yet archived |
| 23:51.42 | niriven | somiaj: upgrade to testing from wheezy? why not use the testing installer? |
| 23:51.43 | internet_explore | niriven, I don't use netinstall, I find it's usually easier to wait until the install finishes, then drivers tend to work for me. |
| 23:51.54 | tremon | !testing installer |
| 23:51.54 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:51.54 | ryonaloli | i want to encrypt /var with luks on a server. i can set it to noauto in /etc/crypttab, but will debian play along nicely if there's nothing in /var present when it boots? |
| 23:52.12 | somiaj | niriven: the testing installer is designed to 'test' new installer features, not install testing. There are plenety of snapshots of that installer that just do not work. You want something that works. |
| 23:52.36 | internet_explore | Wait, what? You're not supposed to install testing with the installer for testing? |
| 23:52.50 | holycow | mdim: just out of curiosity, why are you so dead set on using the wrong tool for the wrong job? |
| 23:52.56 | somiaj | internet_explore: if you want to not run into issues, no. If you want to test the new installer, syure |
| 23:53.17 | somiaj | but if the goal is to get testing on your system, that is the least recomended way to go about it |
| 23:53.20 | niriven | somiaj: valid point, thank you :) so i have tried the wheezy -> testing with dist-upgrade, i had it fail during the upgrade, then had to restart and force a dist-upgrade with -f or so. I guess its safer than the testing installer |
| 23:53.29 | niriven | internet_explore: thanks |
| 23:53.30 | internet_explore | Huh, well alright. I'll hope this is the usual Debian Testing disclaimer. |
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| 23:53.43 | somiaj | niriven: hence why I say, dist-upgrade the minimial system before you run tasksel and install additional software |
| 23:53.45 | tremon | ryonaloli: yes and no. If /var can not be mounted, debian will happily write everything to the /var directory on the root partition. Be ready for funky stuff when you mount something over /var on an already running system |
| 23:54.07 | niriven | somiaj: understood :) thanks! |
| 23:54.16 | mdim | ok, thank you all for your discussion! I learned something |
| 23:54.18 | Reelax | when i had a problem with a website load, someone debugged my network and did something in terminal to browse that page, what was that command ? |
| 23:54.19 | internet_explore | mdim, Was wondering that myself... we are REALLY, ACTUALLY trying to make your life easier. |
| 23:54.20 | ryonaloli | tremon: so how do i get /var encrypted safely? |
| 23:54.35 | somiaj | niriven: so at the end just make sure you say 'no' to all the additional software, this way you don't download it twice and have more things that could break |
| 23:55.19 | tremon | ryonaloli: do not mark it as noauto, and make sure it is listed in /etc/crypttab. Debian will halt the boot and ask you for the passphrase |
| 23:55.28 | mdim | so, to recap, you suggest using snapshots and that's it? |
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| 23:55.43 | ryonaloli | tremon: what if i can only access this server through ssh? |
| 23:56.00 | internet_explore | mdim, Yes. I would suggest using a screenshot, because giving you an option to go back to the exact state you were in before is EXACTLY what this system was made for. |
| 23:56.09 | niriven | somiaj: yup, understood. i typically run arch (tired of a true unstable system) so i apologize for the crappy questions. if i install a base system, is there a way to install the packages i would normally during intallation (such as options for desktop, laptop, web server, etc) or do i just have to apt-get what i want after i reboot into the base system and ugprade? |
| 23:56.11 | somiaj | mdim: I thought the suggestion was just to realize you just have to turn http.us.debian.org (or whatever mirror) to archive.debian.org |
| 23:56.20 | Vasistha | is there somewhere a guide to using grub2 with debian? There are so many files scattered about, and so many scripts that call one another, that I am very confused as to how to proceed. Has anyone laid it out and explained it all? |
| 23:56.23 | internet_explore | mdim, Trying to make snapshots with something that isn't meant for making snapshots will waste your time, make your life harder, and make you waste time doing unproductive work when you presumably have something better to do. |
| 23:56.35 | holycow | mdim: it is the only way to guarantee bitwise imaging. package managers do not worry about snapshotting, only upgrades. different tools for different jobs |
| 23:57.06 | somiaj | niriven: testing will have lots of unstability about it. It has it's own unqiue set of issues. I run sid myself because I like sid's issues more than testings issues |
| 23:57.07 | mdim | somiaj: yeah, except I can't do that now for Debian Wheezy |
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| 23:57.41 | Vasistha | niriven: you can run tasksel |
| 23:58.01 | niriven | somiaj: question being, after base install, can igo through that installer process again to pick the options "desktop" and "laptop" and "web server" for addtional software? (not sure what those encompass, specificly laptop) |
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| 23:58.03 | tremon | ryonaloli: I believe there is a keyscript that spawns an ssh daemon and lets you provide the passphrase through that. But I've never used it, only know that other people used something like that |
| 23:58.16 | niriven | somiaj: Vasistha: perfect, thanks! |
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| 23:58.36 | internet_explore | mdim, And further, you shouldn't be. |
| 23:58.59 | niriven | somiaj: oh i know ill hit some unstableness, hopefully not as much as arch, but worth a try. wheezy + steam doesnt seem really doable, and i'd really like steam, so might as well go testing and face some other issues :) |
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| 23:59.21 | ryonaloli | tremon: if the script is the dropbear + busybox thing then i won't be able to do it because that requires i put a hard-coded IP in the server's grub |
| 23:59.44 | Vasistha | niriven: ooh good luck, I'm looking forward to trying steam someday |
| 23:59.45 | ryonaloli | well, if anyone else knows of a way, please help |
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