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| 00:02.08 | CygniX | somiaj: yea, no luck, trying to upgrade apache from 2.2.22 to 2.2.27, something about 'dpkg-source: info: fuzz is not allowed when applying patches' |
| 00:02.53 | somiaj | CygniX: yea the debian source pakcage has a bunch of patches in debian/patches |
| 00:03.04 | centrx | Norwack, I don't know, it should just work using the same techniques as non-UEFI. I found http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/ |
| 00:03.27 | somiaj | CygniX: these are the fixes debian applys to the apache software. If you don't need some of the patches (because it is included or fixed in your version) you can remove the patch file from debian/patches directory |
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| 00:03.33 | centrx | Norwack, As for dual-booting in general, you just want Windows and Debian on separate partitions, and you probably want the grub boot loader to be in the MBR |
| 00:03.50 | somiaj | CygniX: or you can figure out why the patch failed and fix it |
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| 00:04.14 | centrx | Norwack, That is, the Linux bootloader is better at booting Windows than the Windows bootloader is at booting Linux, at least that's the way it used to be. |
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| 00:04.31 | centrx | Norwack, So typically install Windows first |
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| 00:05.04 | matlock | there's a hack n mod way to do it with linux first though |
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| 00:05.21 | matlock | but windows likes to steal the bootsector |
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| 00:05.27 | CygniX | somiaj: so before running uupdate.. remove the patch directory? |
| 00:06.13 | matlock | what I've found what I usually do is install linux to the second partition, then install windows, use bootpart to clip the bootsect from the second partition and save it to a .bin, then just reference it from bcd |
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| 00:06.15 | zerick | !hashes |
| 00:06.28 | somiaj | CygniX: pattches are applied in the build proces so you could do it after uupdate |
| 00:07.12 | somiaj | CygniX: but yes if you dont' want to worry about debian patches that may fix things then sure. Again I don't know enough about your situation to say which patches may still be needed and which ones have the fix included in the upstream version. |
| 00:07.34 | Norwack | centrx: is it the same when win8 is pre-installed on the system? I don't wanna mess anything up and lose my geniue win8 and my files |
| 00:07.42 | somiaj | CygniX: but as I said you take all this on yourself to understand the secuirty and likes. |
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| 00:07.47 | CygniX | somiaj: the patches are already applied in the latest version of apache |
| 00:08.10 | centrx | Norwack, Yes. Part of the Debian installer allows you to resize the Windows partition |
| 00:08.13 | somiaj | CygniX: some of the patches are changes to make things work with the debian system, but yes a simple way would be just remove them. |
| 00:08.33 | somiaj | CygniX: again you would have to look at each patch indviduially and make that decision yourself. |
| 00:08.35 | Norwack | centrx: also, is there a problem with the debian wiki atm? |
| 00:08.38 | centrx | Norwack, When I did it, I simply disabled UEFI in the BIOS instead of figuring out what to do with it in Debian |
| 00:08.43 | matlock | Norwack, honestly |
| 00:08.50 | matlock | I would resize windows from within windows |
| 00:08.56 | matlock | that makes sure nothing is borked |
| 00:08.58 | somiaj | CygniX: as I trust debian matainers to do this for me, I don't pay attention to what their patches too. |
| 00:09.02 | centrx | Norwack, No? https://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader |
| 00:09.08 | matlock | then you have clean disk to play with in nix |
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| 00:09.21 | Norwack | matlock: yeah i have a partition imma move files over to the win partition and use that 200gb partition |
| 00:09.39 | somiaj | matlock: the only issue I have seen with that is you get far more space if you use gparted since you aren't running the system. |
| 00:09.49 | CygniX | somiaj: I am looking though it now to see |
| 00:09.52 | Norwack | centrx: i get a forbidden error |
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| 00:10.17 | matlock | yea, but there is more possibility (granted it's still rare) to have data loss if you do it that way (not tryin to scare... it's just more of a possibility) |
| 00:10.30 | centrx | Norwack, Could be something with your SSL/HTTPS ? |
| 00:10.46 | Norwack | or maybe because im using a vpn? |
| 00:11.05 | Lucid | what would be good jbod sata controller to use for squeeze or wheezy? 8 ports would do |
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| 00:11.54 | centrx | Norwack, Yeah, that's probabl yit |
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| 00:12.21 | somiaj | CygniX: and since this is new to you, expect some trial and error (mataining your own package is quite a bit of work) |
| 00:12.50 | matlock | and Norwack when you do get through the installation, *i believe* there's a step that asks you where to install grub... what I do is install to the partition i installed *nix to, then use http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm from windows to grab the grub sector on partition 2, and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1619558 to reference the BIN bootpart makes |
| 00:12.57 | matlock | that is if you want to use windows bootloader |
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| 00:13.11 | CygniX | somiaj: this is definitely different from my main OS |
| 00:13.13 | centrx | Lucid, As for OS hardware support, probably any will work. |
| 00:13.14 | matlock | but then you'd have two bootscreens unless you configured grub to autoselect with like 1-2 seconds |
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| 00:13.43 | Norwack | matlock: what would be the easiest to set up that would work? also ive heard something about the configuration resetting? |
| 00:13.54 | centrx | Lucid, I would look for the hardware first, and then later make sure it is supported, since it probably is? |
| 00:14.28 | somiaj | CygniX: well from the sounds of it, you had someone provided you with a ports type option that automates the whole process? |
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| 00:14.41 | Lucid | thank you centrx, i figured it was easier to pick anothers brain first. probably going with sometihng adaptec |
| 00:14.55 | matlock | is it uefi? |
| 00:15.00 | Norwack | matlock: yes |
| 00:15.04 | poeticrpm | Installed debian, chrooted in to install needed packages and configure bootloader. Created a sources.list (using testing main contrib), and apt can get updates and resolve dependencies fine. APT cannot install anything however. I keep getting: dpkg: warning: 'sh' not found in PATH or not executable, and for tar and rm as well. I tried: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin, but it gives me the same error |
| 00:15.06 | CygniX | somiaj: nope, I followed the instructions from /msg |
| 00:15.16 | somiaj | CygniX: no I was talking about on your main os |
| 00:15.31 | Norwack | matlock: MSI w/ clickbios |
| 00:15.57 | poeticrpm | i can phyiscally see tar, rm and sh in /bin, so I know they are there, but apt doesnt see them |
| 00:16.04 | CygniX | somiaj: oh, openSUSE, I use OBS to build packages I want if needed, but suse has a different model than debian so the packages are a little more up to day |
| 00:16.10 | CygniX | s/day/date |
| 00:16.15 | poeticrpm | im guessing this is a path problem but not sure |
| 00:17.12 | centrx | Lucid, Graphics cards and wireless cards are usually the hardware most sensitive to Linux hardware support. |
| 00:17.17 | matlock | I'd say take a look here |
| 00:17.19 | somiaj | CygniX: yea I think the issue you are running across here is all the modifications debian has done over the years to the frozen version. There are various ways to to compile and install new software on debian, I was hoping uupdate would keep the package closets to the debian design. |
| 00:17.19 | matlock | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=107694 |
| 00:17.25 | matlock | Norwack, ^^ |
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| 00:18.22 | Lucid | centrx, this is going to be an open media vault powered san box. going to try a group of 6 2.5in wd red drives. |
| 00:18.48 | CygniX | somiaj: i could always go to ./config, make && make install route, but wanted to do it the debian way |
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| 00:19.43 | somiaj | CygniX: it is a learning experience, I guess I didn't think about the hassel all the various security patches and likes on the source were gonna be. |
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| 00:21.10 | CygniX | somiaj: I am going to continue to play with it. |
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| 00:21.17 | CygniX | maybe I'll get lucky |
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| 00:25.12 | somiaj | CygniX: my hope with using uupdate is (except for the issue with the patches) have all the standards the debian matainers use to split this source into it's various packges to better integrate with your system. |
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| 00:32.08 | Norwack | matlock,centrx: if i free up space, will the installer create the partions for me, or do i have to manually create them? if so, can you tell me what partitions i should make, size, type, etc, so i can write it down? |
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| 00:33.54 | matlock | there is a guided (automagic) and manual mode |
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| 00:34.11 | Norwack | matlock: so it won't remove my other partitions? |
| 00:34.41 | matlock | well, yes, there is a 'use whole disk' option too |
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| 00:35.41 | sjy | hi all. i just discovered that my machine has been vulnerable to heartbleed even though i did an apt-get upgrade on the day of disclosure. it seems that this happened because i installed a package from unstable a year ago that installed openssl 1.0.1e-3 (and later removed unstable from my sources), so the patch was considered a 'downgrade' and apt didn't apply it |
| 00:35.58 | sjy | i've fixed openssl by forcing the downgrade with pin-priority = 1000 |
| 00:36.01 | sjy | but i'm pretty worried now |
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| 00:36.12 | sjy | how can i check what other security updates might not have been applied? |
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| 00:37.21 | sjy | and what did i do wrong? should i have been more aware of the security consequences of using unstable, and ensured that all unstable packages were removed before taking it out of my apt sources? |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sjy about tracker of doom |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sjy about debsecan |
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| 00:38.17 | centrx | sjy, There might also be a way to check which packages on your system come from somewhere other than Debian stable |
| 00:39.00 | centrx | sjy, but yes, the issue is installing a package from unstable on a stable system |
| 00:40.29 | sjy | thanks. debsecan --suite sid --only-fixed returns quite a few packages so i guess i have big problems |
| 00:41.03 | Norwack | matlock: so to not have any other partitions deleted, i should avoid the "use whole disk" option, right? |
| 00:41.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sjy about which repo |
| 00:42.17 | centrx | dpkg, tell sjy about frankendebian |
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| 00:42.47 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:42.55 | sjy | :-) thanks all |
| 00:43.24 | centrx | dpkg, good work |
| 00:43.24 | dpkg | centrx: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 00:43.43 | matlock | Norwack, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas03.html.en |
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| 00:52.50 | Lucid | centrx, decided to go with a different board that has a raid module |
| 00:53.15 | xtjacob | Hello all, I'm trying to install jessie on my laptop that is in BIOS mode, however it seems that the installer is trying to install it in UEFI mode. Is there anyway to force it into BIOS mode? |
| 00:53.17 | centrx | Lucid, Does this mean I looked up the meaning of JBOD for nothing? |
| 00:53.56 | Lucid | centrx, lol. maybe. if you'd like to see my build i can link it to you and see if you have any input |
| 00:54.56 | dotDeb | Does anyone know how to set xrandr commands to run automatically when I plug in my external monitor? |
| 00:55.45 | matlock | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4489/a-tool-for-automatically-applying-randr-configuration-when-external-display-is-p |
| 00:55.53 | dotDeb | matlock thank you |
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| 00:59.34 | CygniX | somiaj: finally had a little success building it but it failed with 'make[2]: *** [install-dev] Error 1 ' and'make[1]: *** [override_dh_install-arch] Error 2' |
| 01:00.24 | CygniX | what I did was removed and touched debian/paches/*. I need to look for the configuration file that is seeking those patches and edit them out. |
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| 01:04.23 | linuxuz3r | how do i make a bootable usb for debian |
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| 01:04.44 | abrotman | linuxuz3r: this is in the installatoin guide |
| 01:04.51 | SirLagz | linuxuz3r: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | bad .. |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | so bad |
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| 01:05.13 | SirLagz | abrotman: me ? |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 01:05.26 | SirLagz | sorry :( |
| 01:05.32 | Konomi | anyone know what is up with this? |
| 01:05.33 | Konomi | Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | you have no idea what /dev/sdb is .. that could be his windows drive .. |
| 01:05.39 | Konomi | on every single mirror repo I try |
| 01:05.39 | SirLagz | abrotman: true |
| 01:05.47 | SirLagz | abrotman: should have clarified |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | Konomi: use http.debian.net instead of ftp.debian.org .. try again |
| 01:05.57 | Konomi | and only on my amd64 machine |
| 01:06.00 | Konomi | read the line |
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| 01:06.01 | Konomi | I am |
| 01:06.01 | SirLagz | linuxuz3r: make sure you check that sdb is your usb drive |
| 01:06.02 | abrotman | SirLagz: and "debian.iso" isn't likely to be hte filename |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | Konomi: no, you're using ftp.debian.org .. use http.debian.net |
| 01:06.20 | SirLagz | abrotman: that's also true. Though I'd hope someone would be bright enough to figure that out. |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | SirLagz: hence "The instructions are in the installation guide" |
| 01:06.37 | Konomi | abrotman: what is wrong with ftp ;_; ? |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | Konomi: Are you going to try it or not? |
| 01:06.56 | SirLagz | abrotman: I'll be quiet now. :P |
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| 01:09.59 | Konomi | abrotman: Could not resolve 'http.debian.org' |
| 01:10.11 | Konomi | oh net |
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| 01:11.53 | pacmanfan | i'm trying to get to the bottom of a dns issue on a WD My Book Live, which i believe is running debian |
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| 01:12.17 | pacmanfan | ping is not resolving a host on my LAN |
| 01:12.28 | Konomi | aboudreault: |
| 01:12.30 | Lucid | ping to dns name or ip? |
| 01:12.31 | Konomi | grrr |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | Konomi: yes? |
| 01:12.35 | Konomi | abrotman: W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages: Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 01:12.39 | pacmanfan | Lucid, to dns name |
| 01:12.42 | Konomi | any other ideas? |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | Konomi: Are you going through a proxy? |
| 01:12.51 | Konomi | no |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | have you tried .gz instead of .xz ? |
| 01:12.55 | Lucid | pacmanfan, what is doing dhcp? |
| 01:12.56 | pacmanfan | windows clients on the lan can resolve the dns name |
| 01:12.59 | Konomi | and my i386 laptop is a okay for that dist |
| 01:13.09 | Konomi | how do I tell it to use gz? |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | not sure how that's relevant ... |
| 01:13.15 | pacmanfan | i am assigning my lan's router as the dns server via dhcp |
| 01:13.31 | pacmanfan | cat /etc/resolv.conf shows the router/gateway ip |
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| 01:13.43 | pacmanfan | so i think dhcp is functioning correctly? |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Konomi about xz hashes |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | Konomi: I'd recommend continuing to use http.debian.net |
| 01:14.36 | Konomi | abrotman: done and retrying |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Konomi about http.debian.net |
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| 01:15.33 | Konomi | abrotman: ah okay I don't need to use that I generally have my own local mirror I use I only stepped up tot he offical one as each one got the same error |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | Konomi: i hope you don't have a full mirror for a few boxes... |
| 01:15.58 | Konomi | abrotman: that fixed it so why is xz being a problem? |
| 01:16.04 | Konomi | abrotman: oh I meant my isp hosts one |
| 01:16.10 | Konomi | generally use theirs |
| 01:16.16 | Konomi | except for the security updates |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | Konomi: ah okay .. |
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| 01:16.37 | Konomi | so why would gz work and xz be broken? |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | Konomi: if it's official, the http.debian.net shuld resolve to that anyway I would think |
| 01:16.44 | abrotman | Konomi: the bot told you, no /. |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:17.05 | abrotman | Konomi: it references a bug number, feel free to read it |
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| 01:17.11 | Konomi | ah I see |
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| 01:17.16 | Konomi | thanks abrotman |
| 01:17.28 | ging | i've got a squeeze server with a fairly small root file system but plent of room on /usr and /var - apt-get says a distro upgrade will use slightly more space than i have free on the root file system but does not say where that will be, is there a way to find out if it is safe to upgrade? |
| 01:17.42 | Konomi | hopefully it's fixed I can update and go back to xz much better compression |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | ging: you have no way to free space up ? |
| 01:18.01 | atannus | I see that Squeeze packages apache 2.2.16 and Testing uses 2.4.9. I'm on testing, and I noticed apache got an upgrade this morning. How do I know the version that was installed *before* the upgrade? Is there a changelog? |
| 01:18.24 | cafuego | atannus: there is |
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| 01:18.35 | atannus | cafuego, where can I find it? |
| 01:18.37 | Konomi | urk only fixed in unstable I guess I'll wait |
| 01:18.39 | cafuego | atannus: It's likely also in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:18.51 | ging | abrotman: i doubt it, i could have a look, but since it has /home /var and /usr on seperate partiions i doubt there is anything deleteable in rfs |
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| 01:18.52 | Konomi | erm |
| 01:18.57 | Konomi | is the network exploding again |
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| 01:19.00 | atannus | cafuego, will that have survived apt-get clean? |
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| 01:19.15 | abrotman | ging: it's not likely in / that it's looking for space .. see deborphan for a chance to clean up some stuff |
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| 01:19.52 | atannus | cafuego, no, it's empty... where is the official changelog? |
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| 01:20.25 | cafuego | atannus: /usr/share/doc/packagename has changelogs |
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| 01:20.34 | cafuego | atannus: But there's no guagarntee that the previous version in there is the one you had installed; that could have been an older one. |
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| 01:20.55 | atannus | cafuego, thanks |
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| 01:21.21 | cafuego | atannus: You could check /var/log/apt* |
| 01:21.24 | ging | abrotman: well i could just risk trying it, i have taken a snapshot |
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| 01:21.47 | abrotman | ging: I'd give deborphan a shot first |
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| 01:22.32 | Konomi | abrotman: have you had to field a lot of questions about that apt bug our of curiousity? |
| 01:22.39 | Konomi | was imagining so |
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| 01:22.51 | ging | abrotman: how do i use that? is it another package i need to install? |
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| 01:23.19 | abrotman | ging: it is, but it's small |
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| 01:23.29 | abrotman | judd: info deborphan |
| 01:23.30 | judd | Package deborphan (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: program that can find unused packages, e.g. libraries. Version: 1.7.28.8; Size: 111.2k; Installed: 496k |
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| 01:23.40 | abrotman | ging: and obviously you can purge it when it's done |
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| 01:23.49 | abrotman | ging: also, you've purged "rc" packages. right ? |
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| 01:28.56 | poeticrpm | There is a step on the debian install cd that asks if you want to enable root login. Having never seen this question before on any linux installer, I left it the default option (no). Unfortunately, I now realize its the source of me not being able to use anything in debian from a chroot. Is there any way to fix this without reinstalling? |
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| 01:30.02 | atannus | poeticrpm, it is not recommended, but you can try to sudo su, then passwd and give yourself a pw. |
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| 01:30.15 | atannus | (or give root a pw) |
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| 01:30.31 | atannus | That used to work for me, but I ditched doing that a few years back. |
| 01:30.31 | zykotick9 | poeticrpm: i'd suspect, using sudo to give the root account a password, may be all you need? not sure though... best of luck. |
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| 01:31.38 | zykotick9 | thinks "sudo su" is probably not the best idea... |
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| 01:31.42 | poeticrpm | atannus, zykotick9, heres the thing: I can use my debian install fine booting into it. If however I try to use apt (or tar, or sh, or rm or ANYTHING) from a chroot, I get path errors |
| 01:31.55 | cafuego | sudo -s or sudo -i, please. |
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| 01:33.22 | fishcooker | i've create many times on debian with useradd or adduser but i got message "i have no name" on the shell |
| 01:33.23 | poeticrpm | even if I export the proper paths, nothing. Ive never had this using Fedora, Arch, Gentoo, and Slackware in a chroot, so Im not exactly sure whats causing it. Again, if I boot and do "sudo apt-get install openbox" it works. If I do it from chroot, it will download and then error when it goes to install |
| 01:33.26 | fishcooker | why |
| 01:33.32 | fishcooker | ? |
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| 01:33.36 | oblio | hola |
| 01:33.58 | oblio | so i had a fresh install with raid on root and i tried to switch fstab to uuid addressing for some reason and now things are very jankified |
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| 01:34.29 | poeticrpm | since I have little to nothing invested in this install im going to try a reinstall |
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| 02:06.28 | vsoftoiletpaper | why does nfs reccomend using mount --bind instead of creaiting symlinks? |
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| 02:08.13 | poeticrpm | well, im stumped. I reinstalled this time allowing for root logins, and I still cant get APT to install anything when im in a chroot, nor can I use anything like tar, rm, etc |
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| 02:09.01 | ska | Can I see any performance increases by compiling a kernel-source version of the same kernel currently used? |
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| 02:09.22 | ska | Or are there minor changes I can make to speed it up? |
| 02:09.36 | centrx | ska, Theoretically yes, but if you don't know what you are doing it may not be |
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| 02:10.23 | abrotman | ska: not anytihng worth persuing in most cases |
| 02:10.28 | ska | centrx: these days I just re-build the existing config that comes with. |
| 02:10.31 | centrx | ska, There are a lot of kernel options. If you miss some that the Debian developers used, it might be slower. If you miss some that you need, the kernel may not boot. |
| 02:10.51 | ska | centrx: too many to keep up with now days. |
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| 02:11.31 | ska | centrx: sometimes I just turn off the CPU architectures that differ. |
| 02:11.40 | centrx | ska, I think the speed-up would be in changing options, not in simply re-compiling the exact same source with the exact same options |
| 02:11.49 | poeticrpm | i am correct in assuming that it has absolutely nothing to do with sudoers since a chroot is inheritently root right? |
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| 02:13.15 | abrotman | poeticrpm: how are you creating your chroot? |
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| 02:14.56 | poeticrpm | abrotman: in an Arch 64bit environment: mount -t proc proc proc/; mount --rbind /sys sys/; mount --rbind /dev dev/; cp /etc/resolv.conf etc/resolv.conf; chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash |
| 02:15.18 | poeticrpm | its got to be path related |
| 02:15.21 | poeticrpm | it has to be |
| 02:15.39 | poeticrpm | thats the only reason it would say it couldnt find tar (and sh, etc) |
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| 02:17.06 | poeticrpm | i notice echo $PATH has some paths of my Arch system listed- for instance android-sdk is listed (/opt). I also notice that paths are different between arch and debian |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | is debootstrap not an option from Arch ? |
| 02:17.42 | poeticrpm | isnt that used for installing? I have a working install- I can boot into it. Let me look it up again |
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| 02:18.47 | poeticrpm | only problem is, I cant install anything unless: download only from a chroot, boot into debian, then install it with APT (because I dont have X setup yet on debian :P |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | poeticrpm: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system is the method in the manual |
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| 02:21.25 | poeticrpm | abrotman: definitely different than ive ever done :P Ill have to investigate this route. The funny thing is I can chroot into Arch from debian and no issues (???) |
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| 02:21.38 | poeticrpm | thanks for the link |
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| 02:40.05 | Reelax | i need problem with OpenSSL on debian |
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| 02:40.59 | centrx | Reelax, Did you look at those links I sent you? |
| 02:41.51 | Reelax | oh man confused, it's not ssl |
| 02:41.56 | centrx | Reelax, You could do a source backport of the version of openssl in testing/unstable, if that is really what the problem is |
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| 02:44.08 | Reelax | after some research i was almost sure it's ssl but it's Qt !! |
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| 02:48.24 | Babalau | anyone knows a good search tool for example how is in KDE the F2 , where you can either search and run a program or it can find files and such |
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| 02:50.15 | alad | gmrun or dmenu |
| 02:51.11 | Babalau | thx |
| 02:51.12 | Babalau | ill try it |
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| 02:52.15 | nell | if I'm going to do FDE |
| 02:52.19 | nell | I should encrypt swap too |
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| 02:53.19 | Reelax | centrx: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5941296/qt-openssl-problem-blocked-on-some-computers |
| 02:53.28 | Reelax | does it make any sense to you ? |
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| 02:55.22 | centrx | Reelax, This looks like it's all about Windows? |
| 02:55.32 | centrx | Windows is definitely not a version of Debian |
| 02:55.35 | centrx | I think we can all agree on that |
| 02:55.55 | dvs | disagrees |
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| 02:57.26 | civillian | agrees with dvs |
| 02:57.37 | Reelax | centrx: i have the same problem in debian |
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| 02:59.20 | marxelo | Hello |
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| 03:00.16 | marxelo | I need help with iptables.. |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | marxelo: you might want to ask #netfilter |
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| 03:18.42 | nell | NOOOO |
| 03:18.45 | nell | I'm in debian installer |
| 03:18.49 | nell | and I forgot to make a /boot partition |
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| 03:19.22 | abrotman | so what? |
| 03:19.30 | nell | oh I fixed it |
| 03:19.33 | civillian | let's burn nell at the stake |
| 03:20.11 | average | omg nell , be careful |
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| 03:22.42 | average | abrotman: how are you ? |
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| 03:23.36 | centrx | "average" |
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| 03:25.51 | somiaj | CygniX: Hmm, what command are you using to build the source? |
| 03:26.09 | CygniX | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:26.31 | average | centrx: :) |
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| 03:27.03 | somiaj | CygniX: where did you get the source, let me build a chroot really quickly and see what I run into |
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| 03:27.45 | somiaj | CygniX: where did you get the apache source? |
| 03:27.51 | CygniX | somiaj: http://apache.miloslavbrada.cz//httpd/httpd-2.2.27.tar.gz |
| 03:27.57 | themill | CygniX: did you remove all debian/patches/* ? that's probably not a good thing to do |
| 03:28.04 | CygniX | http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi#apache22 |
| 03:28.46 | CygniX | themill: I did at first and it would not built because it complain of invalid file, then I removed and touch'ed them |
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| 03:29.03 | themill | you need to fix them, not delete them all |
| 03:29.07 | CygniX | themill: the patches are already in the latest update, they were backported |
| 03:29.16 | themill | some, not all |
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| 03:29.34 | CygniX | well, the security pacthces at least |
| 03:29.45 | CygniX | I get what you are saying though |
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| 03:32.32 | themill | (basically, quilt push; of it talks about offsets, quilt refresh; if it completely fails because it's already applied then quilt delete it) |
| 03:33.36 | CygniX | this is the first am hearing about quilt |
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| 03:33.57 | CygniX | no idea how to use it |
| 03:33.58 | themill | dpkg: tell CygniX about quilt |
| 03:34.03 | themill | dpkg: tell CygniX about debsrc3.0 |
| 03:34.03 | CygniX | themill: I know |
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| 03:34.44 | CygniX | I am saying this was my first time ever coming across quilt |
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| 03:43.57 | Lady_Aleena | How many times can I shut off my computer by just the power button before Debian destabilizes? This is the third time I've gotten to my computer, moved the mouse or hit enter on the keyboard; and my computer won't wake up. |
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| 03:45.11 | average | Lady_Aleena: what checks did you did so far to find out what's going on ? |
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| 03:45.42 | average | s/did you did/did you do/ |
| 03:45.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: no exact number, kinda depends on what sort of file corruption happened. But for the most part if fsck can fix the filesystem on reboot you should be fine. And as average said maybe track down the cause |
| 03:45.49 | Lady_Aleena | average, I can't do checks if the computer won't wake up, and everything appears to work fine after I power down by the power button and restart. |
| 03:46.20 | average | Lady_Aleena: ssh the box, or.. if it doesn't answer to ssh, take out the disk maybe and run some checks on it |
| 03:46.45 | average | but maybe a debian live cd would be easier |
| 03:46.55 | Lady_Aleena | average, what does that have to do with the keyboard and mouse not waking up the computer? |
| 03:46.58 | skribblezatcha | Lady_Aleena :) |
| 03:47.00 | average | and you could run stuff like fsck on your partitions |
| 03:47.09 | average | Lady_Aleena: everything ? |
| 03:47.32 | average | Lady_Aleena: somiaj just pointed out that file system corruption might be a possible cause |
| 03:47.35 | Lady_Aleena | average, pretend I know absolutely nothing about Debian. |
| 03:48.10 | average | Lady_Aleena: the word debian isn't yet relevant in the conversation so far.. |
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| 03:48.22 | Lady_Aleena | average, pretend I know nothing about Linux then. |
| 03:48.30 | CygniX | themill: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e6c0007a/ |
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| 03:49.43 | average | Lady_Aleena: so you're using Linux, you want to troubleshoot a problem, but you know nothing about it. I don't know.. what should one do... |
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| 03:50.16 | centrx | Lady_Aleena, Your main problem is to figure out why it is freezing |
| 03:50.17 | Lady_Aleena | average, this computer is totally screwed up. All I can use it for is to do bills with Firefox, email, and Calc. I've given up doing much else other than chat with XChat. |
| 03:51.42 | Lady_Aleena | It took a week of trial and error before I could get Debian to give me sound. |
| 03:52.08 | Lady_Aleena | went around in circles for a week in 3 channels. |
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| 03:53.16 | average | Lady_Aleena: when you buy a desktop/laptop from a shop, try to go there with a live cd, and figure out if everything works like you want, before buying it |
| 03:53.23 | average | or ask the vendor.. |
| 03:53.46 | Lady_Aleena | average, this is a computer I bought from Dell in 2004. |
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| 03:54.11 | Lady_Aleena | What is fsck, I don't have it. |
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| 03:54.56 | average | Lady_Aleena: how do you know you don't have it ? |
| 03:55.05 | Lady_Aleena | bash: fsck: command not found |
| 03:55.26 | average | Lady_Aleena: how about more basic stuff like /bin/ls ? |
| 03:55.32 | average | Lady_Aleena: /bin/mkdir |
| 03:55.35 | shingouz | Lady_Aleena: you usually have to be root to use it. man fsck |
| 03:55.37 | average | Lady_Aleena: do you have those ? |
| 03:55.47 | somiaj | average: fsck is in /sbin a normal user won't have it in her path |
| 03:56.17 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: fsck is a root command but can't be run on a mounted file system. After you have to manually reboot you see a bar that says checking filesystems before it fully boots? Maybe a bar moves across your screen |
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| 03:57.39 | Lady_Aleena | I just tried sudo fsck, and here is what I got: paste.debian.net/93789/ |
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| 03:59.10 | average | Lady_Aleena: "but can't be run on a mounted file system" |
| 03:59.27 | Lady_Aleena | That makes no sense to me. |
| 03:59.38 | CygniX | for corruption reasons |
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| 04:00.11 | Lady_Aleena | I should have only one file system, as far as I know. |
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| 04:02.15 | Lady_Aleena | I need to go afk for about 15 minutes. I need to cool my head. I am getting annoyed with this computer again. |
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| 04:03.25 | alad | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fsck#Forcing_the_check |
| 04:09.40 | CygniX | somiaj: any luck? |
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| 04:11.08 | skribblezatcha | Lady_Aleena: i have a suggestion. |
| 04:12.04 | Lady_Aleena | skribblezatcha, nuke my drive and start over? |
| 04:12.50 | skribblezatcha | no, can i hit you with a PM please Lady_Aleena? i am ok so no worries.:) |
| 04:13.03 | abrotman | please keep it in the channel |
| 04:13.09 | abrotman | assuming it's on-topic |
| 04:13.28 | skribblezatcha | abrotman: watch yourself with that one. |
| 04:13.57 | abrotman | Excuse me? |
| 04:14.39 | skribblezatcha | i said to watch yourself. dont tell me what to do on my own PC. now drop it. |
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| 04:17.42 | somiaj | CygniX: took a break to eat dinner (: |
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| 04:18.03 | CygniX | sure, i should probably go eat myself |
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| 04:19.15 | somiaj | CygniX: anyways I would follow themill suggestion and figure out which patches you need/don't need and fix them. Again this is to ensure the package you build agrees with wheezy. Creating a simple package isn't this hard but it might not function well with say php or other things that work with apache. |
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| 04:20.20 | Lady_Aleena | was so gullible. |
| 04:21.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:21.31 | CygniX | somiaj: maybe I'll give jessie testing a shot |
| 04:22.11 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, I was talked into Debian and KDE, both were bad decisions based on my extremely limited skill set. |
| 04:22.20 | somiaj | CygniX: if ya like, just a bad choice for production as it won't get security support |
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| 04:25.51 | Lady_Aleena | I can't even figure out how to get new cursors which aren't so chunky as the ones I am stuck using. |
| 04:27.17 | CygniX | If debian if your first distro, it could be tough |
| 04:27.50 | CygniX | I have been using linux for over a decade, and just not now using debian (for servers) and as you can see am struggling |
| 04:27.52 | CygniX | :) |
| 04:28.17 | Lady_Aleena | It is my first distribution. No one told me I can't just go to websites and install "Linux versions" of software. |
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| 04:29.24 | jiohdi | depending on what you want to use it for, debian is not that different from others |
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| 04:30.39 | CygniX | for me, i dont really get the package manager, building packages the debian way |
| 04:30.50 | Lady_Aleena | Here is what I am used to: I go to a website, download and install the software, check the box for it to check for updates upon open, so I can have the latest and greatest versions of my software. |
| 04:31.14 | average | Lady_Aleena: if you don't mind waiting for an answer, you also have the option of posting your question to the debian.user mailing list with a lot of details.. |
| 04:31.24 | CygniX | If you want the latest and greatest, then yuo are in the wrong place |
| 04:31.33 | CygniX | debian is more for tested and stable |
| 04:31.45 | Lady_Aleena | I still haven't figured out how to hack my sources list to get the few programs I use to update to the newest versions. |
| 04:31.49 | average | Lady_Aleena: such as what you want to use it for, ask for recommendations of software to use and for what purposes. or how to configure it to do what you want. Here's the webpage for the mailing list https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
| 04:32.23 | Lady_Aleena | average, I never quite figured out mailing lists. |
| 04:32.57 | Lady_Aleena | is venting. |
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| 04:34.01 | Lady_Aleena | I heard all Linux distributions install software in a very similar fashion as Debian does. |
| 04:34.29 | average | not all linux distributions have package managers |
| 04:34.29 | CygniX | well, it depends what similar fashion means |
| 04:34.35 | jiohdi | all have similarities but each has its own unique things too |
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| 04:34.59 | average | and the ones that have package managers(most of the popular ones), have different ways of installing packages |
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| 04:35.53 | smj | Is compiling Wine any easier in 'testing'? Would I still have to uninstall 64-bit headers to install 32-bit ones? |
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| 04:36.45 | alad | why compile wine when you have playonlinux? |
| 04:37.14 | alad | it has all versions 1.4 -> 1.7 |
| 04:38.58 | Lady_Aleena | "udo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to update and upgrade right? |
| 04:39.16 | jiohdi | yes |
| 04:39.19 | Lady_Aleena | s/udo/sudo |
| 04:39.45 | jiohdi | that gives you the latest in the current system |
| 04:40.40 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I could do it without sudo or being root. |
| 04:41.03 | alad | use policykit or add an entry to sudoers |
| 04:41.04 | jiohdi | that is what keeps the system secure |
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| 04:41.21 | alad | if you can't stand typing passwords 24/7 |
| 04:41.47 | jiohdi | you can open a terminal and type: sudo -s |
| 04:41.49 | jiohdi | then the password |
| 04:41.51 | Lady_Aleena | alad, I am already in the sudoers list, I just want to get rid of the need to type sudo when I want to do anything. |
| 04:42.00 | jiohdi | and that terminal will remain root as long as you like |
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| 04:42.27 | jiohdi | you will not have to type sudo again |
| 04:42.29 | CygniX | Lady_Aleena: you could always set root password, and su and exit when done |
| 04:42.33 | alad | you mean the need to type sudo or the need to type the password? |
| 04:43.03 | shingouz | Lady_Aleena: there is also the fact that if you are constantly working as root, anything malicious off the web has the possibility of nuking the whole system. of course, if you make a mistake with something small that does not need root privileges, you might end up hosing the system |
| 04:43.06 | Lady_Aleena | I loathe typing in passwords for anything. |
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| 04:44.31 | Lady_Aleena | is falling to sleep at the keyboard. |
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| 04:44.53 | Lady_Aleena | I should go to bed, I think. |
| 04:45.06 | shingouz | don't. you'lll just end up with qwerty stamped on your forehead. go take a nap |
| 04:45.30 | smj | alad: What do you mean by: "it has all versions 1.4 -> 1.7"? |
| 04:45.32 | Lady_Aleena | shingouz, it is almost 1am here. I need more than a nap. |
| 04:45.51 | Lady_Aleena | Good $daypart everyone. |
| 04:45.53 | shingouz | Lady_Aleena: okok. a supernap :p sleep tight |
| 04:46.08 | alad | smj: it has a version manager that can download wine versions seperately |
| 04:46.26 | smj | Oh, sounds great. |
| 04:46.46 | alad | as far as wine goes, yes |
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| 04:47.10 | smj | How do I use this? |
| 04:47.27 | smj | Nevermind. |
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| 04:49.09 | somiaj | CygniX: okay I folled themill's suggestion and cleaned up teh patches (i was a bit lazy and dleted ones that failed miserabally, but it would be best to track downt he issue and decide if you need the patch or not) and am building now, we'll see what happens |
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| 04:50.23 | CygniX | somiaj: I did similar, but it failed at the end |
| 04:50.30 | HappyNewYear13 | http://funcorner.eu/wp-content/uploads/how-to-chose-the-right-operating-system.jpg |
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| 04:50.54 | somiaj | CygniX: we'll see if i hit the same hickup, don't know how long it takes to compile |
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| 04:51.50 | alad | HappyNewYear13: lol |
| 04:51.50 | HappyNewYear13 | you guys keep using Firefox even when flash stopped being supported? or switched to Chrome? |
| 04:51.58 | HappyNewYear13 | alad ;) |
| 04:52.29 | CygniX | Chrome? perhaps you want to say chromium |
| 04:52.50 | HappyNewYear13 | CygniX, chromium keeps flash updated to the latest version? |
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| 04:53.05 | CygniX | in my distro, yes |
| 04:53.19 | HappyNewYear13 | CygniX, u sure? |
| 04:53.24 | alad | cronjob and done |
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| 04:53.32 | CygniX | HappyNewYear13: yes |
| 04:53.46 | somiaj | HappyNewYear13: you will have to install a flash plugin sepertally, you can isntall that as the package flashplugin-nonfree from debian ono-free to keep it updated |
| 04:53.59 | CygniX | HappyNewYear13: I know the package maintainer |
| 04:54.03 | alad | it doesn't update by itself |
| 04:54.13 | HappyNewYear13 | oki thanks CygniX & somiaj |
| 04:54.17 | somiaj | chromium by itself doesn't have flash installed, unlike google-chrome which isn't in the debian repo |
| 04:54.41 | smj | alad: Do you know how to add an unlisted program by directory and an executable? It's asking for the installation program by default... |
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| 04:56.12 | alad | you need to create a virtual drive |
| 04:56.13 | alad | http://www.gamersonlinux.com/forum/threads/playonlinux-explained-configure.262/ |
| 04:56.14 | somiaj | CygniX: yea I get an error on it trying to move a manpage that is non existant, trying to find where it wants to do that |
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| 04:58.00 | alad | somiaj: btw it's pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:58.08 | alad | flashplugin-nonfree is the 11.2 one |
| 04:58.28 | alad | pepper is in backports for wheezy |
| 04:58.39 | alad | though it's a bit more limited than the one in testing/sid |
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| 04:59.28 | CygniX | somiaj: i was excited when it was building, but in the end disappointed |
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| 04:59.56 | somiaj | well one is the adobe flash player the other is googles flash player for google-chrome (though I didn't know you could get it in debian, thanks for that) |
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| 05:00.16 | somiaj | is google taking over flash for linux since adobe was gonna not release past 11.2 for linux? |
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| 05:00.41 | somiaj | CygniX: the error was in the clean up, kinda silly error, it is jsut a man page, so I ignored it and seeing if it will work this time |
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| 05:01.21 | alad | maybe firefox will get somewhere with shumway |
| 05:01.21 | alad | maybe |
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| 05:03.55 | somiaj | CygniX: yea the package is basically compiled there is just some strange errors with moving of man pages at the end causing it to error out. |
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| 05:04.22 | CygniX | where is the .deb files? |
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| 05:06.02 | CygniX | somiaj: 'debian/patches/038_no_LD_LIBRARY_PATH' gave an error, did you remove it, or just touch an empty file? |
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| 05:06.33 | somiaj | CygniX: I actually fixed that patch, it wasn't that difficult to see what it did and how the source changed |
| 05:07.04 | somiaj | CygniX: but it seems the errors you got were the same ones I got, there are some different man pages and stuff that isn't in the newer version stuff seems to error out when it encounters. |
| 05:07.27 | somiaj | CygniX: I was hoping this was gonna be easier, but seems like there were some changes in the source that made it not so easy between 2.2.22 and 2.2.27 |
| 05:07.55 | CygniX | appears so |
| 05:07.57 | somiaj | CygniX: seeing if I finally fixed it |
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| 05:09.58 | alad_ | goddammit |
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| 05:10.05 | alad_ | damn radeon driver froze my computer -again |
| 05:10.14 | alad_ | thought mesa 9.5 would solve it |
| 05:10.16 | alad_ | but no |
| 05:10.19 | alad_ | back to fglrx |
| 05:10.28 | alad_ | which I hate with its garbage 2D performance |
| 05:10.40 | CygniX | I am having some issues with radeon as well |
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| 05:10.58 | CygniX | unfortunately, am on mesa 10.x so cant get fglrx to work |
| 05:11.12 | CygniX | more than likely will downgrade xorg |
| 05:11.19 | somiaj | CygniX: I usually just backport simple desktops apps, far easier than this. But you got the idea, again this whole hassel it to make sure your apache meets the same basic setup as the basic one. |
| 05:11.48 | somiaj | ,v apache2 |
| 05:11.48 | CygniX | it will be tested on a non productive server first somiaj |
| 05:11.48 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9-1; sid: 2.4.9-1 |
| 05:11.59 | somiaj | ,check-backport apache2 |
| 05:12.01 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libaprutil1-dev (>= 1.5.0), libapr1-dev (>= 1.5.0). |
| 05:13.10 | somiaj | CygniX: but anyways the errors are occuring at the very end during the clean up (of death as the matinaer calls it) when cp or mv are erring out because there are missing files. They seem to be man-pages and I dont' know why they are missing but ot me not vital. |
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| 05:13.25 | alad_ | can't you override where it fails? |
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| 05:13.30 | alad_ | in debian/rules |
| 05:14.14 | somiaj | CygniX: hmm I see an easy fix for it, seems some man pages were removed, just copy them from the old 2.2.22 source. |
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| 05:16.51 | somiaj | CygniX: actually I found the issue, the files change from apxs.1 to apxs.8 between the versions. I just changed the name back, but the proper way would be track down the debian directory to fix it |
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| 05:17.26 | somiaj | CygniX: in docs/man changed apxs.8 to apxs.1 same with ab.8 and logresolve.8 |
| 05:17.52 | CygniX | nice |
| 05:17.59 | CygniX | thanks somiaj |
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| 05:21.00 | somiaj | CygniX: apache2_2.2.27-1_amd64.deb and all of its friends, so the error was just the changing of those man pages. And again you should go though all the patches that fail and determine if they are needed and fix them. |
| 05:21.40 | CygniX | somiaj: yep |
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| 05:38.40 | CygniX | somiaj: may be if I switch from quilt to native, might be able to get better understanding through the reject files why some of the patches are failing |
| 05:38.55 | CygniX | quilt just doesnt makes sense to me |
| 05:40.26 | z8z | Why at the end of Debian installation if you say to not to participate to the survey it still needs to install the package? |
| 05:41.18 | themill | z8z: it's the popcon package that is asking that question |
| 05:41.35 | themill | CygniX: changing from quilt to native won't help fix the patches that need fixing. |
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| 05:42.06 | CygniX | themill: right, but it generates a .rej file where i can see the issue |
| 05:42.32 | themill | so then you have to manually do what the patch couldn't and then tell quilt to refresh the patch |
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| 05:46.56 | z8z | themill: it install after i answer no to the question |
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| 05:56.03 | regnirps | I'm building OpenOCD and configure fails with libusb-1.x not found. |
| 05:56.17 | regnirps | apt says I have the newest version. I also have the -dev |
| 05:57.11 | regnirps | Would aptitude install the lib in someplace odd? |
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| 06:00.38 | regnirps | dpkg says the lib is there. |
| 06:00.38 | dpkg | okay, regnirps |
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| 06:00.49 | themill | z8z: No, the installation of the package is completed after you answer the question; it already started before that -- it's the package itself that is doing the prompting |
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| 06:01.00 | prem_ | dear all |
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| 06:01.20 | prem_ | how to achieve low latency for the TCP/ IP network applciation running in debian |
| 06:01.30 | themill | regnirps: sure it's the right version? What specifically is the build system testing for? |
| 06:01.42 | prem_ | i want a high performing low latency tuned system for my app |
| 06:02.03 | regnirps | libusb-1.0-0 |
| 06:02.15 | themill | regnirps: btw openocd is already in debian |
| 06:03.02 | regnirps | themill: I'm setting up to use STM32F DIscovery boards. |
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| 06:03.16 | themill | and? |
| 06:03.47 | regnirps | You say it is already there? That is what I get for looking at Ubuntu tutorials. |
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| 06:04.03 | themill | v openocd |
| 06:04.05 | themill | ,v openocd |
| 06:04.06 | judd | Package: openocd on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-1; wheezy: 0.5.0-1; jessie: 0.7.0-2; sid: 0.8.0~rc1-1 |
| 06:04.21 | z8z | themill: exactly and the question is why complete the installation of that package if i explicitly said "no" |
| 06:04.29 | regnirps | I need to build to support ftdi |
| 06:04.43 | themill | z8z: you can't abort the installation of a package like that |
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| 06:05.06 | z8z | themill: but maybe you can remove right after |
| 06:05.08 | themill | regnirps: do you need to rebuild the package with extra options? or just need a newer version of openocd? |
| 06:05.18 | regnirps | extra options |
| 06:05.21 | themill | z8z: that would be even sillier. (and why bother?) |
| 06:05.25 | themill | dpkg: tell regnirps about package recompile |
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| 06:05.58 | themill | regnirps: you can also "/msg dpkg ssb" if you also need a newer version (although it's not actually a trivial backport to build) |
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| 06:06.37 | regnirps | themill: I have not seen a version problem that I can tell. |
| 06:06.45 | themill | even easier then |
| 06:07.03 | themill | regnirps: why do you say that you need to rebuild it for ftdi support, btw? |
| 06:07.14 | themill | (the package build-depends on libftdi-dev) |
| 06:07.49 | z8z | themill: it's more clear to the user that the system has truly got that information..... like now look like a bug where it didn't catch my reply properly |
| 06:08.03 | regnirps | themill: I was reading the configure and the libusb was needed for ftdi support. |
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| 06:08.31 | themill | regnirps: the debian package already builds against libusb and libftdi |
| 06:08.52 | z8z | themill: this small apparently stupid issue are really important for the end-user point of view |
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| 06:09.28 | themill | z8z: you disabled it, it was disabled. Stop imaging that there are bugs everywhere. |
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| 06:09.54 | regnirps | I put a toolchain in a project directory and set paths with a script instead of clogging up .profile. I thought I should put a version of openocd in there as well so that I had it configured for whatever kind of project. |
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| 06:11.01 | regnirps | themill: I'll skip the opnocd stuff and move on to its use and see what happens. |
| 06:11.08 | regnirps | themill: Also nees stlink |
| 06:11.11 | themill | yeah, sounds simplest |
| 06:11.13 | regnirps | needs |
| 06:11.17 | z8z | themill: ok for me but you didn't catch the point |
| 06:11.38 | themill | z8z: I did and it's not really worth worrying about. |
| 06:11.45 | themill | There are enough real bugs to fix without imaging more. |
| 06:12.07 | z8z | themill: ok... thanks for the help anyway! |
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| 06:12.43 | themill | regnirps: openocd comes with various stlink config files -- not sure what else you need beyond that here |
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| 06:14.14 | regnirps | themill: I'll give it a shot. Thanks. |
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| 06:22.22 | themill | Guest28428: what do you mean by "modules that are part of the kernel"? modules that are not modules but actually builtin? |
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| 06:22.44 | themill | (or modules that are available on disk to be inserted with modprobe?) |
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| 06:22.53 | Guest28428 | i mean buildin the kernel |
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| 06:23.01 | Guest28428 | yep |
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| 06:28.12 | themill | Guest28428: the kernel config is installed with the kernel packages as /boot/config-$(uname -r). You can see whether particular things are built-in, built-as-modules or disabled in that |
| 06:28.38 | Guest28428 | cool. thank themill |
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| 07:07.32 | touki | Hi guys, problem with installing gaphor. Any idea? http://paste.debian.net/93637/ |
| 07:07.37 | touki | I'm on wheezy |
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| 07:31.23 | rjsalts | vnwilman: zcat file.tar.gz | xz -cf file.tar.xz - |
| 07:32.18 | vnwilman | oh, thanks |
| 07:32.21 | rjsalts | vnwilman: sorry zcat file.tar.gz | xz -f file.tar.xz |
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| 07:32.54 | rjsalts | vnwilman: the -c flag not wanted here |
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| 07:35.12 | vsoftoiletpaper | how can I easily create a file which as more that 4GB in size? |
| 07:35.13 | rjsalts | vnwilman: and the -f flag too, it's just zcat file.tar.gz | xz > file.tar.xz |
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| 07:36.42 | rjsalts | vsoftoiletpaper: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file bs=1M count=4097 |
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| 07:37.19 | vsoftoiletpaper | debian has the best IRC channel by far |
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| 07:37.27 | vsoftoiletpaper | thank tou rjsalts ! |
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| 07:42.08 | cafuego | vsoftoiletpaper: use /dev/zero and not /dev/urandom |
| 07:43.29 | Babalau | Guys, how can i sudo dpkg -i --force ? |
| 07:43.32 | Babalau | what is the command |
| 07:44.09 | cafuego | Babalau: are you kidding? |
| 07:44.14 | Babalau | nope :) |
| 07:44.20 | babilen | Babalau: What are you trying to do? |
| 07:44.21 | Babalau | i can't seem to force it to install |
| 07:44.23 | rjsalts | vsoftoiletpaper: /dev/zero would be faster, but there might be reasons to use /dev/urandom, e.g. if you're wanting to use as a backing for truecrypt volume or something |
| 07:44.24 | Babalau | skype |
| 07:44.43 | cafuego | rjsalts: /dev/zero is better for a compression bomb ;-) |
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| 07:44.47 | Babalau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.52 | babilen | Babalau: Please follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/skype and show us the output on http://paste.debian.net if you have problems |
| 07:44.54 | rjsalts | Babalau: there is no --force, you'll want --force-architecture |
| 07:45.02 | babilen | rjsalts: No, he does not |
| 07:45.07 | Babalau | rjsalts, thank you :) |
| 07:45.08 | cafuego | Babalau: You could dowload the amd64 deb? |
| 07:45.12 | babilen | Babalau: Don't do that |
| 07:45.12 | Babalau | ill look on debian though also |
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| 07:45.25 | jibos | chroot problem with GLIBC_2.14.... does somebody help me, please_ |
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| 07:48.45 | babilen | Babalau: If you think you need *any* of the "--force-*" options with dpkg you are quite often doing something that you shouldn't do. The solution for skype and other packages with foreign architectures is easy: use multiarch. Please keep in mind to always tell people what you are trying to achieve as forcing an issue is rarely a good idea |
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| 07:51.43 | Blue1 | Babalau: this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/to-install-skype-64-bit-debian-wheezy/ |
| 07:52.18 | babilen | Blue1: Did you read the Debian wiki article ? |
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| 07:53.19 | Blue1 | wiki article on...? |
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| 07:53.47 | babilen | Blue1: Installing skype on Debian ; https://wiki.debian.org/skype (as linked earlier) |
| 07:54.42 | Blue1 | No I had not. my article was entirely independent of that. |
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| 07:55.09 | babilen | Blue1: Well, at least they recommend doing roughly the same thing :) |
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| 07:55.16 | Blue1 | yup. |
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| 07:56.06 | Blue1 | the one nice thing with linux, is generally there is more than one way to accomplish a task |
| 07:58.02 | rjsalts | Blue1: that's a nice thing? |
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| 07:59.15 | Blue1 | rjsalts: I think it is. |
| 07:59.37 | Blue1 | I have spent a lot of time developing hokey pokey solutions that make no sense - but they work. |
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| 08:15.09 | jibos | when I try to install anything on chroot I get a problem with ia32-libs dependences |
| 08:15.32 | jibos | could somebody help me please? |
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| 08:37.41 | SynrG | Installing ia32-libs is the old way |
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| 08:38.17 | SynrG | jibos: installing what, may i ask? |
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| 08:51.25 | jibos | SynrG: sorry the delay... yes, of course... I'm trying to install the linux-image in a chroot jail... the kernel was removed accidentally |
| 08:51.53 | jibos | I have many errors to chroot /mnt |
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| 08:53.11 | jibos | yesterday, with the help of jelly I learnt to check the integrity of packages and extract the broken ones to /mnt |
| 08:54.52 | jibos | but now, inside the jail, I can't apt-get install because of this dependence... I've tried dpkg -add architecture i386 but I can't neither |
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| 08:55.33 | SynrG | I am reluctant to advise anything then |
| 08:55.51 | SynrG | Sounds complex and i haven't time to dig deeper |
| 08:55.52 | jelly | jibos: you shouldn't need any multiarch bits to merely install the kernel |
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| 08:56.33 | jibos | thanks anyway |
| 08:56.49 | jibos | jelly: Hi, thank you and sorry again |
| 08:57.46 | jibos | should I use apt-get to install the kernel or I don't need it? |
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| 09:02.15 | poeticrpm | jibos: you should be able to install the kernel with apt from a chroot. I did that from Arch a few hours ago and debian works fine |
| 09:02.29 | jelly | jibos: you need a working kernel to boot the system |
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| 09:03.26 | jibos | do you mean that I don't need to install it? |
| 09:03.41 | poeticrpm | jibos: is a kernel installed? |
| 09:03.59 | jibos | no, I trying to install it |
| 09:04.35 | jibos | I'm on a livecd and I trying to install inside chroot |
| 09:04.47 | jelly | jibos: how do you know it's not installed? |
| 09:05.02 | jibos | I don't know |
| 09:05.04 | poeticrpm | jibos: what jelly asked, and HOW are you chrooting into debian? |
| 09:05.17 | jibos | but my system doesn't boot |
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| 09:05.35 | jelly | jibos: are there any files matching /boot/vmlinuz* ? |
| 09:05.45 | jelly | jibos: if there are, do they belong to a package? |
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| 09:06.13 | jibos | no there are not |
| 09:06.33 | poeticrpm | jibos: what errors pop up when you try to install the kernel with APT? |
| 09:06.38 | jelly | jibos: aight, so go forth and install linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:06.39 | jibos | due to that I suposseded it is not installed |
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| 09:07.00 | jelly | jibos: is /boot completely empty? |
| 09:07.32 | jibos | no, it is not... I have a grub folder |
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| 09:08.00 | jibos | with .mod files |
| 09:08.18 | poeticrpm | jelly: what his boot folder has will depend on whether hes uefi, what other OSs he has, etc. |
| 09:08.37 | jibos | poeticrpm: the error says something about the ia32-libs dependences |
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| 09:08.59 | poeticrpm | jibos: use a pastebin service so we can see the errors |
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| 09:09.29 | z8z | can someone explain why apt-mirror end is process regularly without finishing to download all packages? |
| 09:09.36 | poeticrpm | jibos, you should be running: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:09.52 | poeticrpm | or aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:09.52 | z8z | i just need to restart to finish the missing one |
| 09:10.07 | jibos | poeticrpm: I've already tried that but I can't |
| 09:10.14 | jibos | ia32 errors |
| 09:10.24 | poeticrpm | jibos: PASTEBIN bro |
| 09:10.27 | jibos | inside chroot /mnt /bin/dash |
| 09:10.46 | jibos | which pastebin service may I use? |
| 09:10.48 | jelly | poeticrpm: or it might be merely not mounted |
| 09:10.50 | poeticrpm | just copy the stuff from your terminal, and paste it into a pastebin so we can SEE |
| 09:10.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:10.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:10.59 | poeticrpm | jelly: very true |
| 09:11.32 | jelly | jibos: please show the complete command you ran and the full output |
| 09:11.38 | poeticrpm | jelly: I always just keep my kernels in boot and grubs config on the uefi partition so I dont have to deal with the mounting crap :P |
| 09:12.04 | poeticrpm | i hate UEFI for what its worth |
| 09:12.12 | poeticrpm | or at least the implementation |
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| 09:12.25 | jelly | poeticrpm: I have no experience with uefi, our servers' BIOS compatibility works for Linux |
| 09:12.36 | jibos | sudo su |
| 09:12.36 | jibos | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 09:12.36 | jibos | mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 09:12.51 | jelly | jibos: paste.debian.net, please |
| 09:12.57 | poeticrpm | jelly: GOOD, its better! I dont care what the UEFI people say! |
| 09:13.01 | jibos | ok |
| 09:13.16 | jibos | but then, how can I show you? |
| 09:13.25 | jibos | i've never use that |
| 09:13.57 | poeticrpm | jibos: you just copy all the text in the terminal, then paste it into the pastebin page |
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| 09:14.57 | poeticrpm | or at least copy the text in the terminal that relates to apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 09:16.11 | poeticrpm | jibos: ? |
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| 09:16.56 | jelly | be patient, poeticrpm |
| 09:17.25 | poeticrpm | jelly: just making sure hes still with us- notice jibos_ joined above |
| 09:17.26 | jibos_ | one second, please |
| 09:17.36 | jibos_ | Im sorry |
| 09:17.42 | poeticrpm | no worries dude |
| 09:17.43 | jibos_ | I was in my laptop |
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| 09:18.44 | jibos_ | http://paste.debian.net/93811/ |
| 09:19.11 | jibos_ | is that the way_ |
| 09:19.18 | jibos_ | is that the way? |
| 09:19.32 | jibos_ | or that's not allowed? |
| 09:19.56 | poeticrpm | jibos_: give us the command output from APT. Thats the main thing we need |
| 09:20.29 | poeticrpm | I do my chroot a bit differently, but their are different ways |
| 09:21.35 | jibos_ | http://paste.debian.net/93812/ |
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| 09:21.39 | poeticrpm | jibos_: the main thing we need to see is what problem APT is having that wont let you install a kernel. You mention ia32 libs, so that to me suggests something is buggered with APT and well need to fix it |
| 09:21.43 | poeticrpm | looking |
| 09:22.17 | autrilla | How can I add dovecot email accounts? |
| 09:22.26 | poeticrpm | jibos_: APT says the kernel is installed |
| 09:22.28 | jibos_ | yes... its allready installed but it doesn-t boot |
| 09:22.47 | poeticrpm | jibos_: what do you mean by doesnt boot? |
| 09:22.54 | jelly | jibos_: right. Can you run "debsums -s linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" |
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| 09:23.05 | jibos_ | there is nothing in my &boot folder |
| 09:23.31 | jelly | jibos_: also, pastebin the contents of your /etc/fstab |
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| 09:23.43 | jelly | let's see if you have a separate /boot mountpoint or not |
| 09:23.52 | poeticrpm | yup |
| 09:24.10 | poeticrpm | what does the debsums command do? |
| 09:24.14 | poeticrpm | never used that one |
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| 09:24.22 | jelly | poeticrpm: /msg dpkg debsums |
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| 09:25.09 | jibos_ | jelly: "debsums -s linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" -- http://paste.debian.net/93813/ |
| 09:25.32 | jelly | sigh |
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| 09:26.00 | jibos_ | outside chroot it returns nothing |
| 09:26.13 | jelly | jibos_: yeah, the outside is not important |
| 09:26.52 | jelly | judd: file File/FnMatch.pm |
| 09:26.57 | judd | Search for File/FnMatch.pm in wheezy/i386: libfile-fnmatch-perl: usr/lib/perl5/File/FnMatch.pm |
| 09:27.13 | jelly | jibos_: apt-get --reinstall install libfile-fnmatch-perl |
| 09:28.01 | jibos_ | jelly: there is nothing inside /etc/fstab although ls doen-t work inside chroot dash |
| 09:28.30 | jibos_ | jellu: apt-get --reinstall install libfile-fnmatch-perl...inside_ |
| 09:28.37 | jelly | jibos_: yes |
| 09:28.42 | jibos_ | thanks |
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| 09:28.56 | jibos_ | sorry for wrong the characters |
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| 09:29.24 | poeticrpm | jibos_: jelly means the /etc/fstab inside your chroot jail, so it looks like thats /mnt/etc/fstab for you :) |
| 09:29.57 | jibos_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/93816/ |
| 09:30.02 | jibos_ | again ia32 |
| 09:30.08 | jelly | jibos_: assume everything we ask from this point on is inside chroot, on the actual debian installation, unless told otherwise |
| 09:30.49 | jibos_ | poeticrpm: yes but ls doesn't work inside |
| 09:31.01 | jelly | jibos_: how does ls fail? |
| 09:31.09 | jibos_ | ok |
| 09:31.15 | poeticrpm | jibos_: export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 09:31.20 | jibos_ | inside ls fail |
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| 09:31.31 | talo | hi |
| 09:31.34 | poeticrpm | run the above command in the chroot jail jibos_ |
| 09:31.47 | jelly | jibos_: HOW does it fail, what happens? |
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| 09:32.41 | autrilla | If I want to give a program a parameter with ( and ) in it, how should I do it? |
| 09:32.47 | jibos_ | ls fail http://paste.debian.net/93817/ |
| 09:32.55 | petern_ | autrilla, quotes |
| 09:33.09 | poeticrpm | holy crap |
| 09:33.32 | jelly | jibos_: interesting. what does "dpkg -l coreutils" say? |
| 09:34.07 | jibos_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/93818/ |
| 09:34.39 | jelly | jibos_: didn't we get dpkg running yesterday? |
| 09:34.56 | ikanobori | Man, I remember I too, once, broke my libc. |
| 09:35.28 | poeticrpm | i broke it once on gentoo |
| 09:35.34 | ikanobori | At least you can open a socket with shell builtins and nc a working libc from another machine. |
| 09:35.42 | jelly | jibos_: ok, then, outside chroot, dpkg --root=/mnt -l dpkg libc6\* libselinux\* |
| 09:35.42 | ikanobori | That's how I fixed it. |
| 09:36.12 | jibos_ | I don't think so, I'm not sure... one minute and jut for checking what we did yesterday |
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| 09:37.18 | jibos_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/93821/ |
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| 09:39.13 | jelly | jibos_: those seem all to be from debian 7, and yet the actual library on the disk seems to come from something newer |
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| 09:39.49 | jelly | jibos_: are you still on debian livecd? |
| 09:40.12 | jibos_ | yes |
| 09:40.36 | jibos_ | I downloaded your link with xfce |
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| 09:41.58 | taylanub | /etc/services could benefit from an update/expansion .. doesn't have MSA |
| 09:42.07 | jelly | jibos_: if you are, download libselinux1:amd64 using something like "apt-get -d --reinstall install libselinux1:amd64", then extract it into the chroot with "dpkg --extract /var/cache/apt/archives/libselinux1..._amd64.deb /mnt/" |
| 09:42.19 | jelly | jibos_: see if that makes dpkg inside chroot work |
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| 09:43.34 | jibos_ | yes |
| 09:44.00 | jelly | running ldconfig may or may not be needed |
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| 09:46.07 | jibos_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/93823/ |
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| 09:48.02 | jelly | jibos_: did ls or cat started working as well? |
| 09:48.54 | jibos_ | no... http://paste.debian.net/93824/ |
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| 09:49.09 | jibos_ | GLIBC_2.14' not found |
| 09:49.20 | jelly | jibos_: repeat the same thing with /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libacl.so.1 |
| 09:49.32 | jibos_ | ok |
| 09:49.39 | jelly | jibos_: figure out which package it belongs to, dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libacl.so.1 |
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| 09:51.10 | jelly | then download outside, extract into chroot, maybe ldconfig inside, repeat until all the libraries that ls needs are there |
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| 09:52.51 | andry | test |
| 09:52.53 | andry | ok |
| 09:53.25 | andry | ok |
| 09:53.26 | jibos_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/93826/ |
| 09:53.37 | jibos_ | again something similar but shorter |
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| 09:55.36 | jelly | jibos_: that should not fucking happen, what does "which ls" say? Is it /bin/ls or something else? |
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| 09:56.20 | jibos_ | says /bin/ls |
| 09:56.32 | jibos_ | just /bin/ls |
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| 09:56.56 | jelly | jibos_: oh well. do the same thing as above with coreutils package, too |
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| 09:58.02 | jibos_ | ok ... do you mean reinstall and unpackage.. |
| 09:58.17 | jibos_ | right? |
| 09:58.51 | mjt | it looks like you're using executables which are linked to a more recent version of libc than you have |
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| 09:59.06 | jibos_ | yes!!!! |
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| 09:59.15 | jibos_ | it works now |
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| 09:59.24 | mjt | wheezy vs jessie most likely |
| 09:59.26 | jibos_ | jelly: it worked! |
| 09:59.34 | jibos_ | I have ls |
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| 10:02.07 | jelly | jibos_: good, now paste the contents of /etc/fstab |
| 10:03.00 | jibos_ | it-s empty |
| 10:03.31 | jibos_ | http://paste.debian.net/93828/ |
| 10:03.33 | jelly | empty, zero-length file? |
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| 10:03.54 | jelly | jibos_: that doesn't show its contents |
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| 10:04.43 | jibos_ | http://paste.debian.net/93829/ |
| 10:05.08 | jelly | jibos_: this system has been hosed for two months now? |
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| 10:06.05 | jibos_ | sorry I don't understand hosed even witih the translator |
| 10:06.18 | jelly | ruined, screwed, fucked up |
| 10:06.25 | jibos_ | ok |
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| 10:06.50 | jibos_ | so I should reinstall everything? |
| 10:07.08 | jibos_ | I mean... new OS |
| 10:07.09 | jelly | test your hardware before that. |
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| 10:07.30 | jelly | jibos_: that would be easier than spending more time to make this work again, yes |
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| 10:07.47 | jibos_ | actually the system was ok four days ago |
| 10:07.57 | jibos_ | ok |
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| 10:11.31 | autrilla | Where do programs place log files? |
| 10:11.44 | jibos_ | jelly: ok, thank you very very much |
| 10:11.53 | koollman | "in the log files place" :) |
| 10:11.55 | Weetos | autrilla> usually /var/log/ |
| 10:11.57 | koollman | autrilla: usually in /var/log |
| 10:12.03 | jibos_ | jelly: I apologize for so many inconveniences |
| 10:12.08 | koollman | but without knowing the program, hard to be sure |
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| 10:12.41 | ChrisH | autrilla: normally they log via syslog and mostly is configured to be loged to /var/log a.) check man page of program b.) check *syslog.conf |
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| 10:13.42 | autrilla | ChrisH, man dovecot doesn't say |
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| 10:15.00 | ruif13 | #drupal-pt |
| 10:15.16 | petern_ | Is there any way to get a TLSv1.2 capable browser in Wheezy? |
| 10:15.46 | sarthe | iceweasel? |
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| 10:18.11 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, I have two machines where the output of ps -A differs. One machine shows processes with their processname, the other with the full path to the binary. Can anyone tell how this is configured? → http://paste.debian.net/93832/ |
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| 10:21.42 | sarthe | petn-randall, assuming theyre the same, thats fucked up |
| 10:22.12 | petn-randall | sarthe: They are both running wheezy, but different machines. |
| 10:22.33 | petn-randall | It's causing my monitoring check to fail, because the processname is also truncated. |
| 10:23.07 | jelly | jibos_: that kind of filesystem corruption could not have happened on its own. Check the filesystem type you used, any power outages, test memory and disks if possible. |
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| 10:23.44 | jibos_ | jelly: I run a script concerning a meteorological model but something must be wrong and everything disappeared... |
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| 10:24.17 | jibos_ | I did a really stupid thing... I run it as root |
| 10:25.19 | sarthe | petn-randall, sorry i cant help you... i only just installed 7.0.0 two days ago on some gifted machine. if theyve screwed up ps that bad, like they have fglrx and a bunch of other things... \o/ |
| 10:26.54 | ChrisH | autrilla: man -k dovecot will show man doveadm-log should answer your question |
| 10:27.05 | jibos_ | jelly: but still I can access to the information, is that common? |
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| 10:28.47 | jibos_ | jelly: I mean... how does the livecd read my partitions without fstab? |
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| 10:29.11 | jelly | jibos_: fstab instructs the boot process which filesystem to mount where |
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| 10:30.42 | jelly | you manually mounted your / filesystem to /mnt without fstab |
| 10:30.44 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Not only the boot process, but also the manual ‘mount’ command invocations. And not only the mounts, BTW, – the last field (a number) specifies in which order to run fsck(8) on the filesystems, if at all. |
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| 10:31.42 | jelly | ivanshmakov: I don't think jibos_ needs expounding about all the features at this point |
| 10:32.01 | jibos_ | ok, thank you very much! |
| 10:32.23 | jibos_ | I'll reinstall my system |
| 10:32.33 | jelly | nod |
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| 10:35.02 | jibos_ | jelly: goodbye and thank you very much again! |
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| 10:35.16 | petern_ | sarthe, nope, doesn't support 1.2 |
| 10:35.34 | petern_ | sarthe, nor does chromium |
| 10:36.30 | petn-randall | petern_: http://mozilla.debian.net/ might be something for you. Current iceweasel should support it. |
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| 10:38.37 | petn-randall | petern_: The 24 LTS, which is in wheezy, also supports it, but it's disabled by default, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#Web_browsers |
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| 10:42.00 | petern_ | Seems it requires patching to enable it, which I'm not sure counts as supported but disabled. But I might've missed something. |
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| 10:44.40 | petern_ | Hmm, okay, about:config |
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| 10:45.50 | sarthe | petern_, apparently you were talking to me, but i wasnt paying attention, sorry |
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| 10:46.03 | petern_ | Randomly I guess. |
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| 10:47.20 | sarthe | dont do that. unlike most other arseholes, i have an undying need to read backwards and try to help you! :( |
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| 10:48.00 | petern_ | :-) |
| 10:48.15 | sarthe | its really hard when i keep confusing you with "petn" :/ |
| 10:48.16 | petern_ | Yeah it's there in Iceweasel, but you need to tweak the config to enable it o_O |
| 10:48.18 | petern_ | (Not patching though) |
| 10:48.27 | petern_ | Yeah, sorry for using my name on IRC :) |
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| 10:50.11 | sarthe | as opposed to "petn-bla". what an idiot! |
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| 10:58.47 | Kiril | any debian devels around? |
| 11:01.09 | autrilla | I get a message saying the server doesn't allow inferior mailboxes. Those appear to be the subfolders I created on thunderbird. How do I fix this? |
| 11:02.32 | petn-randall | stares at sarthe. |
| 11:02.51 | petn-randall | Kiril: Maybe? It's best if you just ask your question. |
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| 11:03.12 | sarthe | not that i have the slightest clue what 'thunderbird' is, but i once ran across that problem. It was related to berkely mail client vs. pretty much everyone else. |
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| 11:03.41 | sarthe | petn-randall, dont stare at me! |
| 11:03.58 | autrilla | sarthe, thunderbird is mozilla's mail client |
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| 11:04.28 | autrilla | sarthe, I'm moving emails from one server to another if it matters. Using imapsync |
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| 11:05.59 | sarthe | autrilla, imap-bla... thats the nice one from berkely that EVERYONE hates. I got fired for trying that once. |
| 11:06.21 | sarthe | good luck. |
| 11:06.25 | autrilla | What's berkely? |
| 11:06.42 | sarthe | ever heard of BSD? |
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| 11:07.15 | sarthe | guess what the 'B' stands for |
| 11:07.22 | jibos | may I ask here about debian based distros? |
| 11:07.55 | sarthe | of course |
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| 11:08.07 | petern_ | Only if it's Debian. |
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| 11:08.20 | sarthe | that was the question... |
| 11:08.27 | jibos | mint debian or pure debian? |
| 11:08.37 | sarthe | mint is not debian |
| 11:08.38 | gry | jibos: only pure debian is supported here |
| 11:08.46 | autrilla | sarthe, maybe it's the config of my server? |
| 11:08.51 | gry | jibos: #linux-mint or something exists, though |
| 11:09.33 | jibos | ok, I'm sorry I though mint-debian was debian |
| 11:09.42 | gry | jibos: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12 |
| 11:09.50 | jibos | thanks |
| 11:10.03 | sarthe | autrilla, mate, i wrote a brilliant script to transfer all accounts just before i got fired. I wish i could copy it to you, because it WORKED, but... fired. |
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| 11:10.27 | gry | jibos: (it's a bit too complex to troubleshoot issues with debian-based distros: this channel can't possibly know everything they changed, so it just supports pure debian) |
| 11:10.38 | autrilla | sarthe, so I guess I'll never be able to transfer the email to my new server |
| 11:10.41 | taylanub | The default MTA in Debian, I think exim4, doesn't seem to handle STARTTLS ? Do I need to install/enable something ? |
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| 11:11.14 | sarthe | autrilla, in other words, i at least had the dest server working, so yeah, probably |
| 11:11.32 | sarthe | autrilla, dont give up |
| 11:11.52 | autrilla | sarthe, I've been trying for 15 hours |
| 11:12.11 | autrilla | And now I get that damn message saying it doesn't allow inferior mailboxes |
| 11:12.11 | sarthe | autrilla, i took a week to make sure it worked right. |
| 11:12.26 | taylanub | "smtpmail-send-it: Sending failed: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. <scrubbed> - gsmtp" |
| 11:12.27 | autrilla | You probable worked for a big company |
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| 11:13.15 | sarthe | autrilla, the manpages for that mail server are in my opinion, brilliant. read them. and if you have problems, maybe ask the BSD guys. |
| 11:13.19 | ikanobori | taylanub: that sounds like emacs |
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| 11:13.37 | autrilla | sarthe, why BSD? I use dovecot |
| 11:14.37 | taylanub | it is Emacs but I didn't change my config when I came over from OpenBSD except that I changed the port specification from "msa" to the explicit port number 587 |
| 11:14.56 | ikanobori | It's probably your emacs being compiled without TLS support or such. |
| 11:15.00 | ikanobori | * has been |
| 11:15.05 | sarthe | wtf is dovecot? SYSV people are mostly overrun by "IT" and arseclowns like oracle, whos docs are much like windows: "Do you want to: <choose some random thing you never heard of>" |
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| 11:15.16 | ikanobori | Now I'm no emacs user but I'm 99% sure there are ways to have emacs use an external program to send its mail. |
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| 11:16.06 | autrilla | I think I'm going to have to hire someone |
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| 11:17.54 | petern_ | taylanub, well for STARTTLS you need to setup a TLS certificate, for a start. |
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| 11:25.04 | petn-randall | Getting back to my original problem: /proc/<PID>/stat contains the basename of apache2 on machine1, and the full path on machine2. Since other processes all have their basename as process name, I think the problem is apache-specific. |
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| 11:27.45 | Kimi_Ni_Todoke | i wonder how to open this clamav AV program i have added from the debian repositories, no CLI nor a GUI entry are made for it |
| 11:29.07 | zatricky | Hey all. I'm attempting to install Debian 6 (long story short, it'll be a vendor-managed server where the vendor insists on Debian 6) on a server with a 71605 Adaptec RAID card. I have not been able to get the installer to recognise the disks in any way. :-/ |
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| 11:30.00 | zatricky | I actually have an identical spare server intended for another project - and it has the same problem. Downloading the drivers provided by Adaptec and putting them into a .iso doesn't help either. If anyone has pointers for me, it would be much appreciated. :) |
| 11:30.50 | petern_ | Kimi_Ni_Todoke, clamscan |
| 11:31.00 | petern_ | Kimi_Ni_Todoke, what do you want to do with it? |
| 11:31.34 | Kimi_Ni_Todoke | petern_: i often deal with windows computers and plugin thumb drives in my debian computer that were previously used in a windows OS |
| 11:31.40 | petern_ | zatricky, does it work with Debian 7? |
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| 11:32.26 | zatricky | petern_: Ehhh, trying that now |
| 11:32.45 | petern_ | zatricky, Debian 6 will be out of support soon. |
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| 11:34.14 | zatricky | petern_: Ye. The vendor is quite insistent it won't support anything else. They're also proud of the fact that they weren't affected by the OpenSSL bug (for all the wrong reasons of course). |
| 11:34.22 | Kimi_Ni_Todoke | petern_: isn't my reason for using it fairly reasonable? |
| 11:35.04 | petern_ | Kimi_Ni_Todoke, bit pointless I'd say, but you can just run "clamscan /path/to/mount/point" |
| 11:35.34 | petern_ | Oops, clamscan -r |
| 11:36.13 | Kimi_Ni_Todoke | shoulld it remove any virus i hte given mounted volume like any standalone windows AV does? |
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| 11:36.43 | zatricky | Kimi_Ni_Todoke: I think petern_ is bearing in mind that the Linux installation doesn't benefit from clamav directly. If the intention is to benefit other boxen, that's absolutely reasonable. |
| 11:37.27 | taylanub | petern_: Aha, I think OpenBSD had done that automatically, Imma see how to do on Debian and/or configure Exim for it. |
| 11:37.29 | petern_ | Kimi_Ni_Todoke, only if you tell to. |
| 11:37.44 | Kimi_Ni_Todoke | well alright petern_ zatricky |
| 11:37.46 | petern_ | taylanub, there's no way a TLS certificate would/should be set up automatically. |
| 11:38.12 | taylanub | petern_: Well it had asked/prompted me to do so or something, I have a faint memory of it. |
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| 11:38.46 | taylanub | I mean on installation of the system. |
| 11:38.47 | zatricky | petern_: perhaps unrelated, CentOS 6.5 *does* pick up the disks without issue - but I'm trying Debian7 anyway |
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| 11:39.11 | petern_ | zatricky, might be related to non-free drivers, I guess. |
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| 11:42.25 | zatricky | petern_: I think so too. The non-free "firmware" part appears to work fine (its one of the first steps in the installation) |
| 11:42.44 | zatricky | but later on it still doesn't see the disks - getting to that part in the Deb7 installation |
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| 11:49.40 | zatricky | http://swiftspirit.co.za/down/deb7.aacraid.0.png - this is where I was going in circles on Debian 6 |
| 11:49.51 | zatricky | prepping the driver from Adaptec's website |
| 11:50.13 | zatricky | With the Debian7 installation, it didn't mention anything about missing firmware |
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| 11:50.52 | jafeha | anyone here who is into ejabberd? i've come across the fact that ejabberd v2.1.x lacks ssl cipher selection which only exists in the 13.12 branch. as far as i can tell this feature has not been backported to debian wheezy. i'd prefer to keeping debian maintained packages instead of installing 3rd party software on my own, needing to patch it without apt. anyone who has dealt with that issue? am i missing something comple |
| 11:51.31 | somiaj | ,v ejabberd |
| 11:51.32 | judd | Package: ejabberd on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.5-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.1.5-3+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.1.10-4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.1.10-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.1.11-1; sid: 2.1.11-1 |
| 11:51.35 | taylanub | I followed https://wiki.debian.org/Exim and exim restarted but I'm still getting the same error as before (smtpmail-send-it: Sending failed: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. <scrub> - gsmtp) .. any ideas ? |
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| 11:53.05 | somiaj | jafeha: I don't know what you mean by 13.12 branch, but features are not usually backported. If you want a newer version of ejabbered on debian for ssl cipher you are going to have to compile it yourself |
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| 11:56.25 | taylanub | Hrm, I think I did the exim configuration wrong .. I need to set it directly to gmail with the "smarthost" configuration ? Can't it relay to arbitrary servers ? I didn't need such a configuration on my previous system. |
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| 11:57.16 | jafeha | somiaj: there are two current "stable" versions following to ejabberd.im: 2.1.13 and 13.12, release notes of v13.12 introduce ssl cipher selection, in 2.1.x there is no such feature. i already thought there would be no backporting, but i thought i might ask if i'm missing something. Thank you! |
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| 12:02.30 | somiaj | jafeha: my suggestions (random guy from the interwebs here) is it looks like if you really want ejabbered 13.12 you can compile it from source and install it in /usr/local which is just fine on a debian system |
| 12:03.07 | somiaj | jafeha: using stow is a nice tool to manage things installed from source this way. But yes you will have to update it yourself if there is a bug/security hole. |
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| 12:04.29 | jafeha | somiaj: growing infrastructure really showed me the beauty of distribution based packaging, but i'll have a lock at stow. thank you! |
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| 12:05.16 | somiaj | jafeha: You can also try to compile your own .deb package from the upstream source. |
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| 12:06.00 | somiaj | ,v erlang |
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| 12:06.00 | judd | Package: erlang on i386 -- squeeze: 1:14.a-dfsg-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:15.b.1-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:15.b.1-dfsg-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:15.b.1-dfsg-4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:16.b.3.1-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:16.b.3.1-dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:16.b.3.1-dfsg-3; experimental: 1:17.0~rc2-dfsg-1; sid: 1:17.0-dfsg-1 |
| 12:06.13 | taylanub | why can't I install sendmail, why won't it install sendmail-bin ? http://sprunge.us/XRDQ |
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| 12:07.26 | somiaj | jafeha: it does look like erlang version is new enough in debian so you might only have to deal with compiling just this paticulare piece of software. No clue what sort of issues you would run across complining on a debian system though |
| 12:08.04 | somiaj | taylanub: will you put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:09.34 | taylanub | is sprunge fine ? I just have to hit C-c Y in Emacs and it pastes a sprunge link containing the clipboard :P http://sprunge.us/IJNj |
| 12:09.41 | somiaj | taylanub: though with your original problem isn't it just configuring exim4 to use tls support? I wouldn't know the best way to do this (no experience) though. |
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| 12:09.52 | taylanub | I thought I'd just install sendmail |
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| 12:11.00 | somiaj | taylanub: anyways I wonder if the cdrom image you have is messing with apts logic, I would modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out or remove the line that talks about the cdrom |
| 12:11.33 | taylanub | oh, I still have the CD in the tray I think |
| 12:11.57 | somiaj | taylanub: I'm more wondering if it is the versions of the software messing with the newer patched/security/updated versions on the internet confusing apt |
| 12:12.03 | somiaj | it isn't needed in your sources so I would just remove it |
| 12:12.14 | taylanub | Thank $DEITY there's `eject', I'm on over SSH ATM. |
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| 12:12.25 | abrotman | taylanub: in most cases, sendmail is far more complex |
| 12:12.30 | taylanub | "eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device" FFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 12:13.02 | somiaj | taylanub: again edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and remove the deb-cdrom line |
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| 12:13.23 | jelly | !pal taylanub |
| 12:13.23 | dpkg | points at taylanub and laughs |
| 12:14.06 | taylanub | jelly: hello my jelly friend |
| 12:14.33 | taylanub | somiaj: OK, anything more I need to do ? it still fails with the same error |
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| 12:19.06 | somiaj | taylanub: did you run apt-get update after you modified the sources.list? |
| 12:19.13 | z8z | can someone explain to me the difference between wheezy wheezy-updates wheezy/updates as apt repos settings? |
| 12:19.20 | somiaj | taylanub: you could also try aptitude it's logic is sometimes a bit smarter |
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| 12:19.48 | taylanub | somiaj: I did update now, still same issue |
| 12:19.49 | somiaj | z8z: wheezy is the main debian 7 release. wheezy/updtes is from security.debian.org contains the security fixes backported to wheezy versions. |
| 12:20.15 | z8z | somiaj: and wheezy-updates? |
| 12:20.23 | somiaj | z8z: wheezy-updates is stuff that will make it into debian 7 in the next point release (say 7.5 is next) that contains bug fixes usually |
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| 12:20.44 | somiaj | fixes that are to improve wheezy stable but not nesecarally security fixes |
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| 12:21.57 | z8z | somiaj: so which one should i include for the most stable setting? |
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| 12:22.15 | somiaj | z8z: during a point release all the updates from security and wheezy-updates will make their way into the main repo |
| 12:22.38 | somiaj | z8z: wheezy and the security one for sure. wheezy-updates is optional but won't hurt much to have there since the updates will make it your way one way or another. |
| 12:23.29 | taylanub | after removing "exim4", some exim4 packages were still installed, and apparently that causes the issue, awesome that it just fails without a meaningful error |
| 12:23.35 | z8z | somiaj: so soon or later wheezy-updates goes into wheezy? |
| 12:24.00 | somiaj | z8z: during the point releases |
| 12:24.04 | somiaj | !tell z8z about point release |
| 12:24.14 | zatricky | petern_: Same issue with Debian 7. :-/ http://swiftspirit.co.za/down/deb7.aacraid.1.png |
| 12:24.52 | zatricky | A step by step guide from Adaptec would go a long way. :-/ |
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| 12:25.05 | z8z | somiaj: thanks i know about point releases just wanted to make sure.... |
| 12:25.16 | z8z | somiaj: thanks for the explanation |
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| 12:26.02 | z8z | somiaj: oh last question....entire dvd set include main contrib and non-free? |
| 12:26.16 | z8z | somiaj: or only main? |
| 12:27.30 | somiaj | z8z: they will only contain main unless they also give a non-free image that contains the later |
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| 12:28.01 | somiaj | z8z: also there is a 'updated' dvd that only contains the packages that have been updated since the original dvd's were made (i.e. the stuff that gets brought in during point-releases) |
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| 12:28.39 | z8z | somiaj: ???? so they only contains main atm? |
| 12:28.50 | z8z | somiaj: i know about the update dvd |
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| 12:29.37 | somiaj | z8z: actually not sure if they only contain main, but my best guess is they do |
| 12:29.57 | z8z | somiaj: ok.... thank you very much for the info |
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| 12:30.48 | somiaj | z8z: I just use netinstall images and the net for the rest of my software, haven't looked at the dvd images in a long time (since before they made them, I think the last time I downloaded the set they only had cd images) |
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| 12:33.10 | z8z | somiaj: do you also know why apt-mirror while downloading the whole repos the first time sometimes end up regularly having donwloaded only a part of whole repos? |
| 12:33.43 | z8z | somiaj: and also i get this error: http://pastebin.com/PsJZCJqy |
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| 12:36.37 | zatricky | Found the instructions in a manual ... RTFM? Aaaargh! It mentions an install CD - we didn't get one. Going to go find out why. sigh |
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| 12:45.38 | Twinkletoes | With regard to the HEartbleed vulnerability, I've updated wheezy jsut now, and it shows openssl version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6, but the vulnerability information states that versions 1.0.1 --> 1.0.1f inclusive, are affected. DOes DEbian have a different numbering system and how can I tell? |
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| 12:46.57 | themill | Twinkletoes: the DSA lists the fixed versions; Debian backports fixes so you don't need to deal with new versions of libraries |
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| 12:48.13 | Twinkletoes | themill: THank you - I See it now. In general, is there an easy way to correlate debian versions with 'real' versions of various packages? |
| 12:49.01 | themill | I don't know what you mean by "real version" |
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| 12:49.40 | bezaban | Twinkletoes: you can check on http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160 for this specific CVE or look up others that may concern you :) |
| 12:49.42 | themill | The version of openssl is 1.0.1e plus patches, which is precisely what 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 is saying |
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| 12:50.02 | Twinkletoes | themill: Ah - ok... +patches... so only DEbian can tell me which ones they are |
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| 12:51.36 | sarthe | am i the only one that noticed that the 'official' notification of this thing was april 1? |
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| 12:52.51 | themill | sarthe: ? |
| 12:53.12 | themill | Twinkletoes: every package has a changelog which will list CVEs when they are fixed |
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| 12:53.43 | Twinkletoes | themill: Ok - thank you - I'll learn to rely more on the changelogs than actual pversions numbers in future ;) |
| 12:54.28 | themill | the DSAs list fixed version numbers too which is useful |
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| 13:00.50 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've just installed debian testing. I've chosen the 'gpt' as partition type. Now when setup has finished and the machine rebooted, I got the following error in GRUP: ELF header smaller than expected. The system does not boot. Any clues what is wrong and how do I fix that? |
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| 13:02.14 | petn-randall | hid3: The way to install testing is to install stable and then upgrade. |
| 13:02.31 | petn-randall | hid3: The testing installer is to test the actual installer, guess it's buggy. :) |
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| 13:04.39 | hid3 | petn-randall: the problem is not with the installer itself. It's actually an issue (probably something I've configured wrong) with GRUB/GPT partitions |
| 13:05.04 | petn-randall | hid3: You didn't install grub with the installer? |
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| 13:05.56 | hid3 | petn-randall: I did. It shows the following error I've pasted. |
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| 13:06.21 | hid3 | and it puts me to grub rescue mode |
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| 13:08.18 | taylanub | so anyone have pointers for how to configure my machine such that Emacs's `smtp-send-it' works ? I followed the wiki, no luck |
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| 13:09.55 | hid3 | Any ideas? |
| 13:10.06 | ChrisH | taylanub: dunno what Emacs's `smtp-send-it' is. but most probalby it will use the system mail server. Get an MTA like exim or postfix and configure it. |
| 13:10.37 | taylanub | that's what I meant with the wiki, I configured exim, made it generate certs etc |
| 13:10.50 | themill | taylanub: what precisely did you do? |
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| 13:11.36 | ChrisH | taylanub: test it using date | mailx -v -s "test mail" your@emain.adress.tld and if it fails, paste the stuff at paste.debian.net please |
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| 13:11.52 | taylanub | generated the cert, then tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config with several different configurations, it's not entirely clear to me what the config needs to be for this to work but I even tried the one that explicitly makes exim4 itself relay to gmail, instead of letting it be agnostic and receiving the address from emacs |
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| 13:14.00 | taylanub | ChrisH: tried that, it causes the exim4 "mainlog" to get an entry about gmail filtering that .. and now that I think of it that means the starttls succeeds at least .. hrm |
| 13:14.37 | taylanub | pokes around in Emacs config, maybe needs a change on this system |
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| 13:17.06 | taylanub | aha, after installing gnutls-bin it worked |
| 13:17.47 | taylanub | hum, does Emacs not use the local MTA after all, perhaps ? |
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| 13:19.49 | taylanub | ugh, indeed, sorry for wasting everyone's time, exim4 was a red herring |
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| 13:24.56 | typ | i need to copy one large file over the network (fuse mount). The file is already compressed. How could i parallize this? |
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| 13:25.28 | typ | *the bottleneck is the performance of a single connection |
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| 13:27.34 | whathe | Hi all, I got a strange system clock issue. It keeps jumping 41 seconds every 16 hours or so |
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| 13:27.48 | ChrisH | typ: just an idea: split and rsync these splitted files |
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| 13:28.04 | ChrisH | whathe: NTP involved? |
| 13:28.38 | whathe | i've tried several version of ntp and an openbsd client |
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| 13:29.23 | ChrisH | whathe: so the answer is: yes. Does ntp log anything? |
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| 13:29.42 | abrotman | whathe: and which NTP servers? |
| 13:29.42 | whathe | ChrisH: the ntp client shows the offset being off |
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| 13:30.40 | whathe | abrotman: i've tried public ntp servers and an inhouse master clock |
| 13:32.09 | ChrisH | whathe: Please show ntp.conf and the logs on paste.debian.net ;Is that a real HW or a VM? |
| 13:32.19 | whathe | ChrisH: i dont think it's an issue with the ntp client but rather something with the system |
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| 13:33.09 | whathe | i've setup a cronjob to do ntpdate cause i thought it was the daemon, i see these kind of messages once in a while 15 Apr 05:47:49 ntpdate[21560]: step time server 10.208.234.10 offset 41.796547 sec |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | whathe: don't use ntpdate .. use ntpd |
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| 13:34.50 | whathe | abrotman: yes i understand it was as a test |
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| 13:35.21 | petn-randall | whathe: Is it a VM? |
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| 13:35.33 | whathe | petn-randall: nope real hardware |
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| 13:35.50 | joe42 | Could someone guide me to a debian harden guide? Not to recompile, I am simply trying to secure a debian firewall / router |
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| 13:37.46 | nkuttler | !tell joe42 about securing debian |
| 13:38.42 | joe42 | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 13:39.20 | ChrisH | whathe: If you do not answer the questions you get, how do you expect to get usefull response? |
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| 13:39.48 | whathe | ChrisH: sorry what question didn't i answer? |
| 13:41.04 | ChrisH | whathe: Please show ntp.conf and the logs on paste.debian.net |
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| 13:42.11 | whathe | ChrisH: it doesn't seem to be an ntp issue. this happens when the ntp daemon isn't running |
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| 13:44.44 | ChrisH | whathe: and how do you then detect the clock does drift? |
| 13:45.36 | whathe | i've setup a cronjob to do ntpdate every minute |
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| 13:46.37 | ChrisH | whathe: strange idea. configure NTP, as that is designed to cope with cheap PC clocks. ntpdate is only to set the clock hard and once! |
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| 13:47.32 | hoxu | is btrfs support in wheezy kernel stable enough for daily use? |
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| 13:49.21 | whathe | ChrisH: i wanted to test if it's the ntp daemon, this is not a cheap PC clock, it's an ibm x3650m4 |
| 13:49.47 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've just installed debian testing. I've chosen the 'gpt' as partition type. Now when setup has finished and the machine rebooted, I got the following error in GRUP: ELF header smaller than expected. The system does not boot. Any clues what is wrong and how do I fix that? |
| 13:50.01 | hid3 | Good afternoon, abrotman |
| 13:50.30 | joltcan | hoxu: The btrfs devs say they use it on their system daily, but YMMV |
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| 13:50.56 | joltcan | hoxu: if you plan to have backups on your system on another media I would say go for it. |
| 13:51.44 | ChrisH | whathe: that does not say anything. I saw more expensive systems (HP L-class, N-class) having unstable clocks caused by controllers buying cheaper. But it looks to me like you are not interessted in suggestions at all. |
| 13:51.50 | hoxu | joltcan, well, just wondering if wheezy kernel is old enough to have some known btrfs problems... the recommendation apparently is using newest kernel but I don't feel like going through the trouble |
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| 13:53.31 | joltcan | hoxu: Na, I don't think that would be any issues there. I tried it at work with squeeze and it seemed fine for my workstation |
| 13:54.06 | joltcan | hoxu: as long as it is 3.2 of the kernel I think most stuff should be fine. |
| 13:54.17 | joltcan | But I wouldn't run it on my fileserver :) |
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| 13:57.35 | whathe | ChrisH: i'm certainly interested in suggestions! |
| 13:57.45 | whathe | ChrisH: here you go http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f23b59e4/ |
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| 13:59.17 | hoxu | joltcan, I'm thinking of LUKS+btrfs on 250 GiB SSD another LUKS+btrfs on 3 TiB disk... crazy? :) |
| 13:59.18 | kaen | I have a fresh install of debian on a vm, and I've been able to log in as root from ssh, and even have the pubkey working, but I can not log in with a normal user I created. I checked and /etc/nologin does not exist. What else could be preventing me from logging in as the normal user? |
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| 14:00.07 | hoxu | kaen, checked /var/log/auth.log ? |
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| 14:00.32 | joltcan | hoxu: Sounds like fun, just make sure you have backups! |
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| 14:00.43 | kaen | looking right now, thanks |
| 14:01.02 | matlock | can someone walk me through installing sound THE CORRECT WAY starting with removing all possible sound systems (jack, alsa, oss, pulse, etc) and starting "clean" ? Debian Wheezy (dist upgraded from squeeze) |
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| 14:02.11 | kaen | "Apr 14 19:51:23 moonbasezappa sshd[2101]: User kaen not allowed because shell bash does not exist" |
| 14:02.37 | kaen | but bash totally exists... I don't get it |
| 14:02.59 | hoxu | kaen, show "grep kaen /etc/passwd" |
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| 14:03.22 | kaen | kaen:x:1000:1000::/home/kaen:bash |
| 14:03.24 | kaen | ... |
| 14:03.27 | kaen | does it need to be absolute? |
| 14:03.32 | matlock | alsa-source doesn't exist? |
| 14:03.34 | hoxu | kaen, yes, chsh |
| 14:03.56 | hoxu | kaen, I'd love to hear how you managed to get that in there |
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| 14:04.10 | kaen | usermod kaen -s bash |
| 14:04.11 | kaen | :P |
| 14:04.14 | kaen | it was sh |
| 14:04.18 | kaen | which was unbearable |
| 14:04.52 | kaen | wow that's amazing |
| 14:04.57 | hoxu | kaen, you should use chsh for changing shell, it actually contains some checks |
| 14:04.57 | kaen | thanks a ton guys, it works fine now |
| 14:05.08 | kaen | I'll keep that in mind |
| 14:05.16 | whathe | ChrisH: another thing is that hwclock is showing correct time when system clock is off |
| 14:05.23 | matlock | can someone walk me through installing sound THE CORRECT WAY starting with removing all possible sound systems (jack, alsa, oss, pulse, etc) and starting "clean" ? Debian Wheezy (dist upgraded from squeeze) |
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| 14:06.12 | abrotman | cries .. |
| 14:07.23 | matlock | yes abrotman i'm still futzing around with trying to get my sound working correctly |
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| 14:07.58 | matlock | it's like permissions didn't carry correctly when I upgraded from squeeze, i had to go into users and groups and fix my group memberships just to run virtualbox |
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| 14:08.19 | matlock | Wondering if creating a new profile will fix it.. |
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| 14:09.39 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to install openoffice on a debian based distro: http://pastebin.com/TDThvp3g what's the problem? I can't understand why isn't installable, any hint? |
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| 14:10.23 | nkuttler | gypsymauro: this channel only supports Debian, try the channel for your distro |
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| 14:10.28 | DammitJim | what is the best way to have a notification when a file is placed in a folder? |
| 14:10.49 | DammitJim | is there like a trigger that happens in Debian/Linux that I can take advantage of? |
| 14:11.00 | hid3 | Any ideas about the grub and GPT issue? |
| 14:11.01 | DammitJim | then I'd like to get an email of some sort |
| 14:11.18 | matlock | abrotman, guess what? |
| 14:11.32 | ChrisH | whathe: what about that ubuntu inside your ntp.conf? Is that a Debian or not? 2. I wanted to see ntp messages inside system logs |
| 14:11.42 | nkuttler | DammitJim: linux has inotify, there are plenty of tools for that |
| 14:12.16 | matlock | abrotman, i got it working i think... by creating a new user and giving them admin rights. Seems when I upgraded to wheezy, it didn't like to carry the profile over right (for whatever reason) |
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| 14:12.41 | matlock | so now i just gotta migrate my data, which is a moot point for this room |
| 14:12.43 | matlock | thanks |
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| 14:13.09 | DammitJim | cool... any tools I can use with bash? |
| 14:13.16 | DammitJim | or is that more of a Python thing for example? |
| 14:14.00 | whathe | ChrisH: it is ubuntu, there are not syslog messages about ntp |
| 14:14.05 | themill | DammitJim: inotifywait in a shell script |
| 14:14.08 | nkuttler | DammitJim: i've only used it with scripting languages so far, but i guess there must be some direct commands |
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| 14:15.34 | DammitJim | in order to use inotify, I still need something that blocks and waits for that notification to come through, correct? |
| 14:15.47 | DammitJim | so, not necessarily polling the directory, but waiting for the notification? |
| 14:15.55 | DammitJim | sorry, just talking out loud. I'm going to shut up now |
| 14:15.56 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 14:16.50 | themill | DammitJim: or incron |
| 14:17.12 | DammitJim | incron? |
| 14:17.18 | themill | ,i incron |
| 14:17.19 | judd | Package incron (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: cron-like daemon which handles filesystem events. Version: 0.5.10-1; Size: 101.7k; Installed: 292k; Homepage: http://inotify.aiken.cz/ |
| 14:18.24 | DammitJim | oh cool! |
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| 14:23.16 | petn-randall | !tell whathe -about ubuntu |
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| 14:25.00 | DammitJim | asdf |
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| 14:26.02 | DammitJim | should I install inotify-hookable or inotify-tools if I want to use inotifywait? |
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| 14:27.00 | Trieste | Hi, it's a long time since I've installed Debian, how do I install testing over the net again? |
| 14:29.00 | nkuttler | Trieste: expert mode in the installer afaik. or better yet, install stable and dist-upgrade |
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| 14:30.27 | Trieste | nkuttler: oh, so there's no "direct" way to do that? |
| 14:31.04 | Trieste | And as for loading the netinst image on a USB stick, is just dd'ing it to the /dev/ file enough? |
| 14:31.08 | nkuttler | Trieste: what i just said, expert mode. i would never use that though |
| 14:31.14 | Trieste | alright :) |
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| 14:31.32 | nkuttler | yeah, dd should do |
| 14:31.34 | nkuttler | !tell Trieste about ig |
| 14:31.39 | vincenzo | ciao |
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| 14:31.55 | Trieste | nkuttler: thanks! |
| 14:31.59 | vincenzo | software nero |
| 14:32.05 | _dan89 | when using a VNC server has anyone else run into the issue where the arrow keys minimize/maximize windows instead of moving the cursor? I have used VNC on a few other distros and Debian has been doing this out of the box and I don't know where to fix it. Also using gnome-classic if that makes a diff |
| 14:32.36 | _dan89 | and TightVNC |
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| 14:37.50 | dfsd | Hello, I have a problem with Netbeans not being able to create new projects. It just hangs on the new project screen. |
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| 14:38.48 | dfsd | It could possibly be due to the jre I'm using. java -version says I'm using icedtea as my runtime. How do I change it? |
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| 14:39.15 | tomodachi | yes |
| 14:39.34 | tomodachi | dfsd: it is know not not using oracle java causes problems like this |
| 14:39.44 | tomodachi | https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 14:39.47 | tomodachi | dfsd: |
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| 14:40.59 | dfsd | tomodachi: Right now my internet connection isn't good enough to download anything big, which the link above suggests I need to do. |
| 14:41.00 | themill | there's no reason not to use openjdk-7 |
| 14:41.47 | tomodachi | themill: if your appliation is buggy with openjdk, thats plenty of reasons |
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| 14:41.55 | tomodachi | and trust me there are plenty of such reasons around |
| 14:42.22 | themill | there are few applications for which that is actually true |
| 14:42.41 | dfsd | themill: My java -version output shows 1.7.025 |
| 14:42.55 | themill | dfsd: and is that a problem? |
| 14:42.59 | tomodachi | even if this is true, if you have these applications what difference does it make? either you need oracle java or you dont |
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| 14:43.12 | dfsd | I'm not sure. From what I know, my jre being icedtea is probably the problem. |
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| 14:43.34 | themill | 5 years ago that might have been true |
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| 14:52.25 | hoxu | I did "dd if=debian-7.4.0-ia64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdx" as instructed here https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb - but I'm not able to boot from the stick, how do I verify it's bootable? |
| 14:52.52 | file-exists-p | fdisk |
| 14:53.06 | file-exists-p | hm |
| 14:53.16 | file-exists-p | at least you can set the bootable flag of a partition with fdisk |
| 14:53.35 | file-exists-p | so fdisk /dev/sdx then 'p' should show you a '*' on the bootable partition, me think |
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| 14:54.10 | hoxu | right, I don't have partition table on the stick, maybe that's the problem :) |
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| 14:54.20 | dfsd | Here is the answer to my question earlier, the only problem being that the links to the answers are not fully there: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/not-able-use-netbeans-debian-7-1-wheezy-help-212309102.html |
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| 15:09.36 | matlock | so... somewhere in the . files in my ~/ there's a config file that's messing up my audio |
| 15:09.48 | matlock | cause I made a new profile and nothing is wrong abrotman |
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| 15:12.02 | matlock | abrotman, any ideas where those configs may be? |
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| 15:19.48 | funkysayu | Hi. I'm currently trying to setup a dualscreen on a new debian wheezy with an Radeon HD 7850 (1st screen on HDMI, 2nd on DVI). My issue is that xrandr doesn't detect the 2 screen, but only one. So i have the same picture on my 2 screen, and with resolution issue on the first one. |
| 15:20.15 | funkysayu | Same thing on XFCE or Gnome. Do any one have an idea to solve that ? |
| 15:20.55 | jelly | funkysayu: what does "xrandr -q" say, and which driver are you using? |
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| 15:22.55 | no63 | so i was thinking about that heartbleed bug |
| 15:23.04 | no63 | and it seems that finding bugs in open source and selling them, or inserting your own bugs, can be pretty nice way to make money |
| 15:23.11 | no63 | i think NSA would pay lot of for such bugs |
| 15:23.19 | funkysayu | jelly: http://pastebin.com/KLvNuaGx ; i installed my drivers with firmware-linux-nonfree, libgl1-mesa-dri and xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 15:23.20 | no63 | open source = code also open for very bad guys |
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| 15:23.32 | no63 | it looks it's better to be on NSA side, they pay you, and how does "community" pay you for making bug public and fixing it? |
| 15:23.47 | no63 | just compare what you get for working for nsa and working for "open source community" |
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| 15:23.55 | jelly | !ops no63 the usual troll |
| 15:23.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: jelly complains about: no63 the usual troll |
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| 15:24.08 | no63 | since when is saying truth trolling? |
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| 15:24.27 | TheQuestionmark | Would anyone recommend to use backports yet on Stable? |
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| 15:24.33 | abrotman | looks at eir ... |
| 15:24.42 | TheQuestionmark | Mainly because of the nvidia drivers. |
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| 15:25.30 | Jonuz | Where I can find which cards xserver-xorg-video-nvidia supports? |
| 15:25.51 | jelly | TheQuestionmark: if your hardware works significantly better with bakcports, then that is the exact scenario they ought to be used |
| 15:26.28 | jelly | funkysayu: oh, no DDC or outputs detected at all |
| 15:26.41 | funkysayu | jelly: exactly |
| 15:27.13 | jelly | funkysayu: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show radeon drivers being used at all, or is it VESA |
| 15:28.10 | matlock | would a rogue .pulse folder in my ~/ cause alsa to not work even if pulse is uninstalled? |
| 15:28.52 | TheQuestionmark | jelly: I'd doubt it, I'm with a GTX650Ti Boost which ain't the newest card anyways. |
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| 15:29.01 | funkysayu | jelly: [...] (II) LoadModule "radeon" |
| 15:29.11 | funkysayu | jelly: I'm not sure about what i'm looking for |
| 15:29.24 | TheQuestionmark | I'd love to have a more recent Wine like 1.6.2 but that's not in the backports though. |
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| 15:29.59 | jelly | funkysayu: a line or ten saying RADEON: Some Card or Other on pci 0:00:0:0 |
| 15:30.12 | SadTapeworm | Comodo wildcard SSL cert. Can buy from Comodo $450. Can buy Comodo wildcard cert from sslcertificate.com $124. Neither do org verif. Downside to sslcertificate.com? |
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| 15:31.59 | funkysayu | jelly: i found RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: \n [a lot of line about different name of AMD cards] and only that |
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| 15:32.41 | jelly | SadTapeworm: one year? $450 seems too expensive even for * |
| 15:32.53 | jelly | SadTapeworm: and... it's not a Debian question at all! |
| 15:33.09 | jelly | funkysayu: eh, pastebin the whole thing |
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| 15:36.48 | matlock | upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, logged in and my soundcard was not displayed. I created a new user and it shows the correct hardware information. What config file in ~/ would cause this to mess up so bad? |
| 15:37.16 | funkysayu | jelly: http://pastbin.com/bYFLBjvR |
| 15:37.36 | jelly | matlock: probably something in the desktop environment |
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| 15:38.04 | matlock | well basically i want to know what file/folder to *not* copy |
| 15:38.14 | jelly | funkysayu: http://pastebin.com/bYFLBjvR ? |
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| 15:39.51 | jelly | funkysayu: so yeah, radeon got loaded, but was apparently not good enough to drive that card, you ended up with unaccelerated FBDEV |
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| 15:40.37 | funkysayu | jelly: should i switch to nonfree drivers ? or is it a bad configuration ? |
| 15:40.40 | jelly | judd: v xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 15:40.41 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on i386 -- squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.3.0-1+b1; sid: 1:7.3.0-1+b1 |
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| 15:41.16 | jelly | funkysayu: since there's apparently no backports for newer radeon, fglrx might be the only option |
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| 15:41.31 | jelly | funkysayu: what's the pci id for that card? |
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| 15:42.35 | funkysayu1 | jeelly: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7800] (from lspci | grep VGA) |
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| 15:42.50 | funkysayu1 | -e |
| 15:43.18 | jelly | funkysayu1: lspci -nn -s 01:00.0 |
| 15:43.46 | funkysayu1 | jelly: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7800] [1002:6819] |
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| 15:44.02 | jelly | judd: xorg 1002:6819 |
| 15:44.03 | judd | Device 1002:6819 is not matched by any xorg drivers in wheezy or sid. |
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| 15:44.23 | jelly | out of luck or "xorg" command is broken, not sure |
| 15:44.29 | jelly | judd: pciid 1002:6819 |
| 15:44.30 | judd | [1002:6819] is 'Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7850]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6819 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 15:46.17 | funkysayu1 | jelly: no driver found ? |
| 15:46.40 | jelly | that's what the bot says, but I have no idea whether it's correct in this case |
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| 15:46.51 | jelly | it matches your experience though |
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| 15:48.11 | funkysayu1 | jelly: i don't understand. My first installation of debian support dual screen perfectly without any additional package installation. But when i reinstalled debian with the same disk, it doesn't work. |
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| 15:49.54 | jelly | funkysayu1: I wish I could offer a sane explanation! |
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| 15:51.17 | funkysayu1 | jelly: np i'll try to fix it, else let's back under vware and windows :( |
| 15:51.23 | matlock | still wish my sub would play music |
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| 15:51.55 | funkysayu1 | jelly: thanks for having try |
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| 15:52.48 | funkysayu | jelly: i'll try on another linux |
| 15:53.01 | funkysayu | but it'll be the same issue i think |
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| 15:56.47 | g0d | Life is all about Debra and Ian. |
| 15:56.57 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:57.03 | g0d | the only love couple in the IT world that has contributed to society. |
| 15:57.12 | g0d | abrotman: there's no need to feel insecure. |
| 15:57.27 | g0d | I know you suffer from hardcore autism and aspergers, or maybe, even worse. OCD. but its alright. |
| 15:57.29 | petn-randall | Melissa and Bill Gates foundation? |
| 15:57.32 | g0d | I shall treat you well |
| 15:57.33 | g0d | LOL |
| 15:57.36 | g0d | bill gates foundation? |
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| 15:57.46 | g0d | well he gives the poor black children some hope. |
| 15:57.48 | petn-randall | g0d: Please stop abusing people. |
| 15:57.56 | g0d | and those black children, show him middle fingers in return. |
| 15:58.02 | g0d | how lovely is this world, right petn-randall? |
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| 15:58.56 | jelly | !ops g0d trollin' and hatin' |
| 15:58.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: jelly complains about: g0d trollin' and hatin' |
| 15:59.26 | g0d | !ops jelly preachin' about dead grandmas |
| 15:59.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: g0d complains about: jelly preachin' about dead grandmas |
| 15:59.29 | g0d | AND IM OUTTA HERE |
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| 15:59.50 | poeticrpm | hey jelly, did you ever get that guy last night up and running? The one with libc problems... |
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| 16:00.20 | jelly | poeticrpm: we agreed it was best he'd reinstall |
| 16:00.45 | poeticrpm | jelly: ahh i see. Any ideas on what caused it or what else was wrong? |
| 16:00.47 | jelly | poeticrpm: got to a working apt and dpkg and coreutils before that |
| 16:01.19 | jelly | poeticrpm: my bet would be either a hardware issue on a suboptimal filesystem, or a serious pebkac |
| 16:01.37 | poeticrpm | yeah |
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| 16:14.40 | Jonuz | Is Nvidia gt 620 supported by xserver-xorg-video-nvidia? |
| 16:14.59 | Jonuz | I mean geoforce gt 620 |
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| 16:26.20 | jelly | Jonuz: what does the lspci -nn line for that card look like? |
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| 16:27.41 | Jonuz | GeoForce GT 620 |
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| 16:31.30 | ruediger | hi |
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| 16:32.57 | jpw | wc |
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| 16:38.26 | Jonuz | jelly: You got any idea? |
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| 16:41.26 | Jonuz | Ah lol, seems that I missed nvidia-driver |
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| 16:42.34 | g0d | If I make a presentation thru LibreOffice, and I have a custom special font that I found on dafont.com and I installed it, and I used it in the presentation. If I use the presentation in a different computer where the font isn't installed but the font is present in the presentation, will it show the font correctly as it is? |
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| 16:48.10 | ivanshmakov | g0d: I’d expect the resulting PDF to contain a copy of the font. |
| 16:48.25 | g0d | well, no. |
| 16:48.30 | g0d | im going to save it as .ppt. |
| 16:48.32 | g0d | I don't get you. |
| 16:48.35 | g0d | what do you mean? |
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| 16:53.33 | ivanshmakov | g0d: The conventional wisdom around the lab I’ve worked at until recently states: “either you use PDF, or your slides will be screwed anyway.” |
| 16:53.49 | g0d | damn, that's quite motivatin' |
| 16:53.56 | g0d | whoever said that, deserves to get a medal. |
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| 16:56.13 | hoxu | what kind of partitions should I create if I want to enable UEFI boot? |
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| 16:57.14 | petn-randall | hoxu: I recommend using a GPT partition table, and you'll need a EFI boot partition (a few MB in size). |
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| 16:58.18 | hoxu | petn-randall, only one partition? What about /boot? |
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| 16:58.26 | matlock | I want to run a script when i log out of the gui |
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| 16:59.01 | petn-randall | hoxu: You can have a single partition for /, but you can split it up into / and /boot if you want to use LUKS or something along those lines. |
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| 16:59.57 | hoxu | petn-randall, ok so the only new thing is a few mb large EFI partition and GPT tablrs |
| 17:00.04 | hoxu | *tables :) |
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| 17:04.58 | matlock | From what I understand, .profile is run on gdm login... .bash_logout is run on SHELL logout, /etc/gdm/postsession/default is run when ANY user logs out... what's the command that's run when my user logs out that I can edit and is specific to my user only? |
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| 17:08.45 | matlock | or could I do an if [ "$(id -u)" == "usernumber" ] ? would /etc/gdm3/PostSession/default see that? |
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| 17:12.03 | ivanshmakov | Curiously enough, after I’ve fully upgraded one of my systems to Debian Wheezy last week (the most of the system was Squeeze, and it may have had a few packages dating back to Lenny), everything works better than before… |
| 17:12.15 | ivanshmakov | Except for Lynx (which seems to handle UTF-8 even worse than before; and it just crashed, too) and X.org (which now crashes under specific circumstances, perhaps due to Bug#741870.) |
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| 17:30.44 | viccuad | guys, what can I do if my dpkg --configure -a gets stuck in "writing config for /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-41-generic" |
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| 17:32.01 | viccuad | I'm quite helpless with it. thanks in advance |
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| 17:35.41 | poeticrpm | ive noticed a few cases where a package is available in old-stable, stable, and sid, but not testing. Take xpyb for instance. I need that for Pytyle2; is the appropriate action to dpk -i <sid xpyb package>? And in events where dependencies exist, do I install it with apt set for sid, then re-config the sources.list for testing and update apt? |
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| 17:36.17 | centrx | poeticrpm, Yes |
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| 17:36.55 | poeticrpm | centrx: im sorry, yes to the dpkg -i route or the one where I use apt with a sid sources.list entry? |
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| 17:37.28 | centrx | poeticrpm, Either will work. When changing sources.list to sid you have to make sure to change it back after and run apt-get update again or you will end up installing other things from sid |
| 17:37.38 | poeticrpm | right |
| 17:37.45 | centrx | poeticrpm, Also, you can look at the QA page for the package and see when it will migrate to testing |
| 17:38.01 | centrx | poeticrpm, e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/xpyb shows that it migrated to testing on April 3 |
| 17:38.29 | abrotman | poeticrpm: Unless you require it, you wait .. |
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| 17:38.57 | abrotman | poeticrpm: it's likely been removed because of a transition or a bad RC bug |
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| 17:40.14 | poeticrpm | centrx, abrotman: ok |
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| 17:41.00 | abrotman | poeticrpm: the package is pytyle2 ? |
| 17:41.06 | abrotman | oh .. xpyb |
| 17:41.20 | poeticrpm | i suppose since sid and testing are the same version according to the QA page, the dependencies should fit. I should be able to gdebi or dpkg -i the package in and see if I notice a bad bug |
| 17:41.25 | abrotman | poeticrpm: in the case of that package .. it's no longer maintained |
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| 17:41.35 | abrotman | !debports |
| 17:41.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, debports is a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 17:41.43 | abrotman | that's not helpful ... |
| 17:41.48 | abrotman | growls at the bot |
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| 17:42.02 | poeticrpm | abrotman: well, pytyle2 is what I need- xpyb is a dependency of it |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | poeticrpm: show us in packages.debian.org with URLs to the pakcages in question |
| 17:42.50 | poeticrpm | I know ill have to install it from mercurial as no debian package exists for pytyle2 |
| 17:44.39 | poeticrpm | abrotman: near the bottom explains it best: https://code.google.com/p/pytyle/ |
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| 17:46.13 | poeticrpm | abrotman: Im looking for the ng version as well, and perhaps ill try python-xpyb before trying to compile pytyle2. Im not really familiar with what build deps it will need either as my other system is Arch where this is fortunately in the AUR |
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| 17:46.52 | hatman2 | I am using debian live script for building custom iso. But I dont have enough space in my file system so I want to make these iso to be buid in a different drive. How to do that ? |
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| 17:47.07 | poeticrpm | abrotman, centrx; thanks alot for the info! |
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| 17:48.21 | SynrG | hatman2: i'm not sure what your actual problem is ... that you don't know how to mount the other drive? that you don't know how to make a directory you can write to there? that you don't know how to cd to that directory and build your image there? ... |
| 17:48.51 | SynrG | hatman2: that the script has some hardcoded filepath and doesn't just put its build products in the current dir? |
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| 17:49.38 | hatman2 | SynrG: I do know how to mount a drive but when I try to build iso in other drive it gives me a chroot error . |
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| 17:51.20 | hatman2 | I get "chroot: failed to run command '/user/bin/env' |
| 17:51.54 | hatman2 | However running lb buid command in /root dir starts building image |
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| 17:55.03 | SynrG | hatman2: sounds like you have the other drive mounted noexec |
| 17:55.09 | SynrG | bad idea if you want to execute stuff on it |
| 17:55.32 | SynrG | cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:55.37 | SynrG | look for 'noexec' flag on that mount |
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| 17:56.24 | SynrG | if it was automounted, unmount it, make a mountpoint for it (as root) and mount it (as root) |
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| 17:56.40 | SynrG | the default options for mounts as root should not include 'noexec' |
| 17:57.06 | SynrG | whereas it is default to have removable media 'noexec' for users ... as a security measure (since removable media are vectors for viruses/trojans/worms) |
| 17:57.32 | hatman2 | SynrG Well no noexec flag here |
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| 17:57.51 | SynrG | is the filesystem an ext2/3/4 filesystem? |
| 17:58.01 | SynrG | if not, it may lack capabilities needed to support a chroot. |
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| 17:58.22 | hatman2 | SynrG Actually it is NTFS |
| 17:58.28 | SynrG | bingo |
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| 17:58.54 | hatman2 | SynrG Well any workarounds ? |
| 17:59.05 | SynrG | i think it will go better for you if you build on a filesystem supporting unix/linux filesystem semantics |
| 17:59.24 | SynrG | scrap the ntfs filesystem (or resize it smaller) and make ext4 on it |
| 17:59.46 | hatman2 | SynrG Well I am afraid i can`t |
| 18:00.02 | hatman2 | Any way to expand size of file system ? |
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| 18:00.08 | SynrG | dd a motherhugefile full of zeros, put an ext4 on it ... |
| 18:00.12 | SynrG | mount *that* loopback |
| 18:00.15 | SynrG | and build in that |
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| 18:00.47 | SynrG | (ntfs should support >4G files, so this is not a problem :) |
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| 18:01.01 | taylanub | why does Debian put documentation in separate packages ? |
| 18:01.13 | SynrG | taylanub: to give the poor autobuilders a rest |
| 18:01.22 | taylanub | ? |
| 18:01.23 | hatman2 | Well I am not following you here actually. Can you explain a little bit ? |
| 18:01.51 | SynrG | taylanub: there's no reason to multiple the load on the debian archive infrastructure for arch-independent packages ... |
| 18:02.08 | SynrG | the autobuilders do not need to rebuild any arch-independent packages per architecture |
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| 18:02.31 | SynrG | so splitting all arch-independent components into separate packages is efficient. |
| 18:02.37 | taylanub | SynrG: ah, understood .. well it would have been awesome if packages with separate -doc packages also had their other content separated, and the canonical name be a metapackage or what you call it that installs both ... |
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| 18:02.54 | SynrG | there usually is |
| 18:02.58 | SynrG | well, often is |
| 18:03.03 | SynrG | via Recommends: |
| 18:03.16 | SynrG | but sometimes doc really isn't that important/interesting (except to developers) |
| 18:03.23 | SynrG | in that case, Recommends is usually not added |
| 18:03.41 | taylanub | ... I really think it should be default behavior to install docs, but w/e |
| 18:03.45 | SynrG | you'll find that a lot with libraries. probably nobody but a developer cares. |
| 18:03.53 | taylanub | you mean headers |
| 18:03.59 | SynrG | i mean libraries. |
| 18:04.08 | taylanub | static libraries ? |
| 18:04.28 | SynrG | the API doc for a library probably is of no interest to anybody but a developer. |
| 18:04.36 | taylanub | oh you mean library docs |
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| 18:04.54 | SynrG | if it is large enough to go into a separate package, it really shouldn't be recommended by any other package. |
| 18:05.21 | taylanub | that I can understand, but for instance the package "gcc-4.7" not installing docs ... |
| 18:05.29 | SynrG | so there's no hard-and-fast rules here. a maintainer just has to use their judgement about whether a -doc package should be Suggests:, Recommends: or whatever |
| 18:05.54 | SynrG | why should it? mostly people *just* need gcc because something needs it to build something ... |
| 18:05.56 | taylanub | hrm, there's a "gcc" package ... |
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| 18:06.02 | SynrG | your average user of gcc really doesn't care. |
| 18:06.11 | taylanub | um |
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| 18:06.36 | taylanub | ... whatever |
| 18:06.54 | SynrG | taylanub: there's the bigger problem here that the FSF thinks their license is free. it isn't |
| 18:07.01 | SynrG | so gcc-doc is in contrib |
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| 18:07.16 | SynrG | so this is an extreme case :) |
| 18:07.32 | taylanub | before we get into semantic flamewars, what's the actual problem with the license ? |
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| 18:08.15 | galex-713 | Hello, what should I use to shrink a video nicely? |
| 18:08.18 | SynrG | invariant texts, which the FSF believes are pefectly OK but violate one point of the DFSG |
| 18:08.28 | taylanub | galex-713: ffmpeg, always ffmpeg |
| 18:08.32 | SynrG | free software can be modified and redistributed |
| 18:08.38 | galex-713 | taylanub: it can do that? |
| 18:08.38 | SynrG | invariant texts cannot |
| 18:08.41 | galex-713 | ffmpeg or avconv? |
| 18:09.09 | taylanub | galex-713: ffmpeg .. well there's some heavy drama between ffmpeg and libav, choose whatever you want :) |
| 18:09.25 | SynrG | taylanub: if you're really interested in the details: |
| 18:09.28 | SynrG | !gfdl |
| 18:09.28 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 18:09.29 | taylanub | decided to take the ffmpeg side, from various superficial observations |
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| 18:09.55 | taylanub | SynrG: well text isn't software |
| 18:09.57 | galex-713 | taylanub: I thought ffmpeg was obsolete |
| 18:09.58 | SynrG | "invariant texts" is a gross oversimplfiication of all the issues, i know :) |
| 18:09.59 | taylanub | but ok |
| 18:10.05 | galex-713 | It’s what it say when Debian’s running |
| 18:10.12 | SynrG | taylanub: yes. but debian is "software" |
| 18:10.14 | galex-713 | *when it’s running on Debian |
| 18:10.16 | taylanub | galex-713: NO, DEFINITELY NOT, THAT'S LIBAV PROPAGANDA (only half a joke, they really tried to make it look like that) |
| 18:10.26 | taylanub | sorry for yelling :P |
| 18:10.28 | SynrG | taylanub: to speak of "the non-software that Debian includes" is nonsensical |
| 18:10.35 | SynrG | taylanub: it's all software |
| 18:10.56 | galex-713 | taylanub: I mean : when I use ffmpeg on Debian, it says ffmpeg is obsolete, and I should use avconv instead |
| 18:11.01 | SynrG | otherwise we need to make up special rules about what "non-software" is suitable to include in debian |
| 18:11.04 | taylanub | galex-713: FFmpeg is almost more actively developed than Libav, and merges in Libav commits whereas the Libav people are snobs who act like FFmpeg doesn't exist and re-invent everything FFmpeg does |
| 18:11.25 | SynrG | and why the rules should be different for this non-software. why freedome is less important for it ... |
| 18:11.29 | SynrG | freedom* |
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| 18:11.37 | galex-713 | taylanub: ok, so why Debian’s ffmpeg says so? |
| 18:11.39 | taylanub | galex-713: oh yeah, I remember now, someone from the Libav team is a Debian maintainer, and contributed to the "FFmpeg is obsolete" propaganda through that |
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| 18:12.04 | taylanub | again, only half a joke, *maybe* they thought "I'm just obsoleting the package, doesn't mean the project is obsolete" |
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| 18:12.22 | taylanub | but it's obviously a dick move |
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| 18:13.04 | taylanub | SynrG: I'd say Debian is a project, but see we're already on semantics :P I stop here |
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| 18:14.05 | taylanub | galex-713: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html http://aballier.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/ffmpeg-vs-libav-a-distribution-maintainer-point-of-view-almost-two-years-after-the-split/ |
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| 18:29.45 | petn-randall | The ffmpeg package in *Debian* is transitional, so depending on it is obsolete. Not quite the same thing. |
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| 18:34.46 | centrx | ffmpeg/libav disaster |
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| 18:42.56 | torpet | how come jfs, btrfs, xfs kernel modules are all loaded ? can i disable this aggressive automoduleloading? |
| 18:43.02 | torpet | or should i just blacklist unwanted modulesß |
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| 18:44.15 | galex-713 | taylanub: it seems to me like a reversed requiem of compiz/beryl scission |
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| 18:45.12 | taylanub | doesn't know about that one .. never used compositors |
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| 18:46.53 | galex-713 | Beryl forked Compiz because it didn’t integrated interesting fancy new graphical features because of “stability”. After the fork, Compiz began to had more and more Beryl patch, and at the end, after some years, they re-fusionned into Compiz Fusion, since the changes proposed became enough stable, and Beryl demonstrated to be even more stable than Compiz |
| 18:46.58 | galex-713 | taylanub: ^ |
| 18:47.10 | galex-713 | Except here it’s a takeover because of authority |
| 18:48.24 | galex-713 | I agree with both and none at the same time… ok for not letting one maintener self-proclaiming himself the leader, but also ok for accepting more features waiting for them to become more stable and to integrate all changes of other side |
| 18:48.51 | mjt | and how it all is relevant now, when the development has stopped? |
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| 18:55.54 | galex-713 | taylanub: personally, what do you think of libav? |
| 18:55.59 | galex-713 | *about libav |
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| 19:02.29 | martin3z | 20:51:35 tongcx | Is there a good package for that? |
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| 19:02.44 | martin3z | sorry, ignore it |
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| 19:04.21 | agh_ | hello. I have a question about connecting LibreOffice Base with a MySQL Databse with mysql-workbench. Since it is quite long by IRC standards, I pasted it at http://paste.debian.net/plain/93927 |
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| 19:19.09 | d0liver | I just installed Wheezy on my Thinkpad T530 on a 32gb SanDisk flash drive. On the whole I'm pretty pleased with the performance but I've noticed that when I'm installing or copying anything or really do anything that does a lot of writing to the system I can't do much else. The whole system becomes really choppy. I suspect that this is because the flash drive is blocking during the writing process. Is there something I can do to mitigate |
| 19:19.10 | d0liver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.45 | Brigo | d0liver, did you enable trim? |
| 19:21.47 | viccuad | d0liver: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/SSD_Tuning_for_Linux |
| 19:21.54 | taylanub | galex-713: pretty much what those articles write: Libav maintainers are an aggressive bunch, tried to "overtake" FFmpeg, act like Libav is *the* FFmpeg replacement, or act like FFmpeg doesn't exist, like to *pay* people to reinvent things which FFmpeg already implemented, etc. |
| 19:21.56 | viccuad | maybe that will jelp |
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| 19:22.51 | d0liver | Brigo, no, I will look into that, thanks. |
| 19:23.05 | d0liver | viccuad, Thanks also |
| 19:23.09 | Brigo | np :) |
| 19:23.09 | mns | agh_: how is that relevant debian ? you might want to ask that in #libreoffice rather than here |
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| 19:30.52 | hid3 | Hello. Maybe someone has got a how-to on installation Debian to a disk with GPT partition table? |
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| 19:31.59 | Vasistha | with grub legacy, it was relatively easy to switch to a different root device and bring up a different menu.lst from that device. How can I configure this in grub2? |
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| 19:33.28 | arnoldB | hey Debian people. I'm hacking on preseed. even though I set netcfg/disable_dhcp=true as kernel param to debian installer and within preseed itself, the installer is fetching (at least) hostname and domain via DHCP. |
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| 19:34.18 | arnoldB | (debian wheezy) |
| 19:35.39 | arnoldB | I don't think that #703747 is affected |
| 19:36.28 | ompaul | hid3: as you start to do the install you will be offered that chance, just rock with it, too easy. I've not got a big enough box here to check it in real time, but I've done a few of them just take your time when partitioning when it offers dos type take gpt |
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| 19:55.57 | Jonuz | It is possbiel to install libsdl1.2-dev and libsdl1.2-dev:i386 to same system? |
| 19:56.01 | Jonuz | possible* |
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| 19:56.34 | Jonuz | I mean amd64 and i386 |
| 19:56.45 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 19:56.45 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 19:57.09 | centrx | Jonuz, With multiarch it is |
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| 19:57.17 | petn-randall | If it's not possible, the dependencies will make sure that you can't install them both at the same time. |
| 19:59.51 | mjt | usually -dev packages aren't multiarch-installable |
| 19:59.53 | Vasistha | multiarch is pretty amazing! Team debian is awesome. |
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| 20:00.58 | mjt | and libsdl*-dev is not an exception here |
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| 20:02.50 | mjtxl | testing |
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| 20:02.59 | mjt | !ops tuff spamming privmsg |
| 20:02.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: mjt complains about: tuff spamming privmsg |
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| 20:03.14 | lauri | What is up with ntpd in jessie?! |
| 20:03.58 | lauri | ntpd -n -g -q just says "ntpd: time slew +0.000000s" and exits without setting the date. I am still in 2010 :/ |
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| 20:04.19 | nell | hey |
| 20:04.24 | peterS | lauri: eh ... ntpd in jessie should work the same as it did in prior releases |
| 20:04.41 | nell | http://a.pomf.se/abuzmo.png this is my partition scheme, sda6 and sda7 is for the debian install i wanna do |
| 20:04.52 | nell | I wanna encrypt it |
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| 20:05.02 | mjt | wonder if tUtUff is related to tuff ;) |
| 20:05.05 | peterS | lauri: what ntp servers are you using? (find out with: grep ^server /etc/ntp.conf) |
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| 20:05.29 | lauri | peterS: [0-3].europe.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:05.39 | abrotman | mjt: you got something with the second client? |
| 20:05.40 | peterS | lauri: and can you reach those? |
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| 20:05.59 | peterS | mjt: well, tUtUff has a registered cloak.... |
| 20:06.07 | lauri | peterS: Well yes |
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| 20:06.23 | mjt | abrotman: new users are getting privmsg (some link which - apparently - tries to install something to your browser) when first saying soemethinh in channel |
| 20:06.29 | lauri | peterS: ntpq -p also shows them and connectivity |
| 20:06.44 | abrotman | mjt: I just tried, nada .. |
| 20:06.45 | mjt | abrotman: and my previous message to you resulted in the same |
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| 20:06.57 | abrotman | mjt: Apparently I'm on ignore .. please msg it to me |
| 20:07.06 | peterS | lauri: some versions or configurations of ntpd, when you start the daemon, it refuses to move the clock more than a set amount. 2010 -> 2014 would qualify as 'more than that amount' I guess |
| 20:07.24 | peterS | lauri: though I thought the recent Debian packaged ntp and its init script will override this behavior |
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| 20:08.03 | mjt | and nope, that's not malware |
| 20:08.15 | mjt | but whatever |
| 20:08.26 | abrotman | gone now .. nothing to see here |
| 20:08.44 | lauri | peterS: yes it is the -g flag |
| 20:08.44 | peterS | lauri: hmmm, I see that's the -g option, which you said you specified |
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| 20:09.48 | DammitJim | doing xrandr only gives me 1 resolution where it is a 16:9 ratio |
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| 20:10.01 | DammitJim | can I just add a resolution I want to use on my LCD monitor? |
| 20:10.14 | peterS | DammitJim: yes xrandr has a mechanism to add a mode line |
| 20:10.24 | peterS | DammitJim: see --newmode |
| 20:10.28 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 20:10.36 | DammitJim | this laptop screen is waaaaay too small |
| 20:10.51 | peterS | now building mode lines from scratch is something of an art, almost a lost art |
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| 20:11.53 | peterS | DammitJim: you should check the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to determine whether there was some error that caused Xorg to drop some of the mode lines that your monitor should have provided |
| 20:12.33 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 20:12.41 | peterS | I mean, assuming it actually did provide modes appropriate to its capabilities, which you can't always assume in this age with converged televisions used as monitors but not really tested very well in that capacity by their vendors |
| 20:12.42 | DammitJim | sounds hard |
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| 20:14.11 | arnoldB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.41 | Silicium | hi there |
| 20:15.16 | Silicium | i just added a new version of a package to my reprepro but this package is fauly, how can i remove this specific version of package again? |
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| 20:18.55 | petn-randall | Silicium: reprepro removefilter (version==X.Y.Z) IIRC, but check it in the man page. |
| 20:19.14 | Silicium | thx |
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| 20:20.31 | linuxuz3r | hi how do i install java on wheezy |
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| 20:22.32 | zh1 | apt-get install default-jre |
| 20:22.41 | linuxuz3r | zh1 jdk |
| 20:22.49 | linuxuz3r | how do i install jdk on wheezy |
| 20:22.54 | linuxuz3r | pref jdk6 |
| 20:23.02 | zh1 | apt-get install default-jdk |
| 20:23.24 | zh1 | https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
| 20:23.26 | linuxuz3r | zh1 i get errors |
| 20:23.28 | Silicium | oh i just can remove the package and add the old again |
| 20:23.41 | dont-panic | I know this is a dumb question, but I can't seem to find it googleing. Does anyone know what that shell program is called that lets you press keys on your keyborad and gives back the keyboard key code? |
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| 20:24.18 | zh1 | apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 20:24.31 | linuxuz3r | zh1 does not exist |
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| 20:27.15 | zh1 | linuxuz3r, whats your deby version |
| 20:27.22 | linuxuz3r | dont panic you mean ascii code |
| 20:27.27 | linuxuz3r | i have wheezy |
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| 20:27.53 | zh1 | 7.4? |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | linuxuz3r: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:28.47 | zh1 | linuxuz3r, you probably need to update first and sources list |
| 20:28.57 | linuxuz3r | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main |
| 20:28.57 | zh1 | aptitude install sun-java6-jdk i guess should do it |
| 20:29.44 | kom | I have an existing package that I maintain but removed all configuration files from it into a new package that's for config files only. When i update, it wants to install the new config package but the previous version of the package im upgrading from still owns the config file. Can I streamline the update without having to uninstall the existing package first? |
| 20:32.04 | BuFF | if i want to rename user's username is it enough to rename it that way "usermod -l new.user old.user"? |
| 20:32.29 | zh1 | linuxuz3r, http://paste.debian.net/93941/ last two line on sources list you might not needed depending on your configs |
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| 20:33.59 | zh1 | linuxuz3r, that is what i use but u dont need to use non free packages if u dont want them |
| 20:34.23 | thomaschaaf | Hello I am having trouble with a e1000e nic from intel. It keeps losing its connection (pings stops working) and I can't figure out why. There is no log in /var/log/syslog, kern.log or |
| 20:34.45 | zh1 | have drivers installed? |
| 20:34.47 | thomaschaaf | ifconfig does not change when the connection starts dropping but it does. any idea how to debug? |
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| 20:34.55 | thomaschaaf | it works and then stops working |
| 20:35.42 | linuxuz3r | zh1 how do i install jdk6 non-free |
| 20:35.45 | thomaschaaf | its version version: 2.3.2-k which is pretty recent |
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| 20:36.54 | shingouz | !tell linuxuz3r about java |
| 20:37.21 | zh1 | linuxuz3r, to non free packages your sources has to have non free on it |
| 20:37.54 | zh1 | !tell linuxuz3r about sources.list |
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| 20:44.14 | alex1 | anyone here |
| 20:44.23 | thomaschaaf | -.- |
| 20:44.51 | thomaschaaf | nope empty channel, move along |
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| 20:46.44 | alex1 | funny how dead this channel is despite the huge amount of people |
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| 20:49.12 | somiaj | !ask |
| 20:49.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:50.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Are there any known performance issues with Debian in VMs (KVM with virtio storage, via libvirt, hosted on a no-COW file on a btrfs filesystem)? Installing the system and pkgs feels slower than Fedora. |
| 20:50.44 | thomaschaaf | anyone have a suggestion on debugging a lossy ethernet connection? (e1000e) |
| 20:51.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf: lossy in what way? |
| 20:51.13 | thomaschaaf | its lossy in waves not constant |
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| 20:51.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf: do pings get through reliably? |
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| 20:52.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: do pings get through reliably? |
| 20:52.28 | thomaschaaf_ | sorry got kicked from the server Eduard_Munteanu a ping stops working and then comes back. |
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| 20:53.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: keep 'mii-tool -w ethX' running for a while, do you notice any link up/down messages? |
| 20:53.14 | thomaschaaf_ | I love about 100 packets at a time then it works again for a couple seconds and then it stops again ifconfig does not say it looses the connection and syslog, dmesg and messages have no entries |
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| 20:53.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: ifconfig doesn't say anything about link status normally |
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| 20:54.55 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: running the command but looks like nothing is happening. I do have an error when starting that command though: SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error |
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| 20:55.38 | thomaschaaf_ | noep nothing |
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| 20:56.09 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: any other ideas? |
| 20:56.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: try plugging the cable in and out, and perhaps watch dmesg and see if it says anything about link status. |
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| 20:57.20 | thomaschaaf_ | I sadly am remote |
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| 20:58.00 | invader | Do you have access to the remote switch its one? |
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| 20:58.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: ok... how do pings get lost, do you get any "Destination Host Unreachable" messages or only periods of silence? |
| 20:58.11 | invader | assuming its a manged one |
| 20:58.16 | thomaschaaf_ | silence |
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| 20:58.37 | invader | *on |
| 20:58.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: and what are you pinging, is it a host on the same physical network? |
| 20:58.54 | thomaschaaf_ | yep its another computer I am also remotely on |
| 20:59.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: can you pastebin the ifconfig output? |
| 20:59.37 | GNU\colossus | I'm looking for a decent GUI-based MUA that is NOT (based on) Mozilla Thunderbird and handles IMAP well - can you recommend anything? |
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| 20:59.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | GNU\colossus: Claws Mail |
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| 21:00.50 | GNU\colossus | Eduard_Munteanu, will that still store all mail locally in an MH-based structure? |
| 21:01.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | GNU\colossus: well if it's IMAP what is there to store? I don't know how it handles caching, but it does handle Maildir in addition to IMAP. |
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| 21:03.04 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/8cb836a2bbb73f642df1 |
| 21:03.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | GNU\colossus: Claws is pretty powerful/flexible compared to other GUI mail clients, would probably be my first choice if I were used to scriptable or console MUAs. |
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| 21:03.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | As far as the reasons for my suggestion are concerned, that is. |
| 21:03.47 | GNU\colossus | Eduard_Munteanu, I'll take a look at it |
| 21:03.48 | GNU\colossus | thanks :) |
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| 21:04.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: why do eth0 and wlan1 have an IP address in the same network? |
| 21:05.32 | thomaschaaf_ | eth0 is buggy as hell and I needed a way to access the machine thus the wifi |
| 21:05.59 | thomaschaaf_ | but the route set up so it goes over eth0 just to see why it is buggy |
| 21:06.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: and how do you know you're pinging over eth0 and not wlan1? What is the output of 'ip route show' ? |
| 21:06.50 | thomaschaaf_ | https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/4f1917376ff1e0fa8903 |
| 21:07.26 | thomaschaaf_ | as eth0 is before wlan1 it works and I can confirm it as wifi is very stable eth0 for some reason is not |
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| 21:08.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: ok, can you try to arping (instead of ping) the other machine? |
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| 21:09.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | arping -I eth0 a.b.c.d |
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| 21:10.54 | thomaschaaf_ | seems to work even when regular ping doesnt |
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| 21:11.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Interesting. |
| 21:11.26 | thomaschaaf_ | wait let me set them up to ping at the same time |
| 21:11.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok. |
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| 21:13.29 | thomaschaaf_ | as long as they are running at the same time it works. If I stop arping the other ping stops working |
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| 21:13.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: interesting... sounds like some machine might be ARP-poisoning a switch. |
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| 21:14.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or perhaps the switch itself is faulty. |
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| 21:14.39 | thomaschaaf_ | shouldnt I be able to see arp config locally? |
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| 21:15.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: switches maintain their own ARP table, and other hosts can send unsolicited ARPs to fool them. |
| 21:15.50 | thomaschaaf_ | ah okay so the packet could be lost somewhere on the way |
| 21:16.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: or sent to the wrong destination |
| 21:16.07 | thomaschaaf_ | weird that it keeps getting back to me some packages... |
| 21:16.24 | thomaschaaf_ | could I trace those packages with traceroute? |
| 21:16.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: try watching the wire with tcpdump |
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| 21:17.43 | tharkun | I'm trying to look at a dvd using vlc what does [0x212f3a8] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called mean? |
| 21:18.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: something like this should do... tcpdump -i eth0 arp or icmp |
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| 21:21.03 | thomaschaaf_ | should I execute that while pinging or without pinging? which would help more? |
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| 21:22.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: try it without any pinging first and see if you get some ARPs. Then try it when both arping-ing and pinging. |
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| 21:23.06 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: I am geting arps but none for my ip |
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| 21:24.41 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/62a151f8b482926e5986 |
| 21:24.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: hmm, at this point it would be useful to have someone there try to connect to that machine directly (without any switch) to rule out a NIC issue. |
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| 21:27.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: how many machines are there on that LAN segment? |
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| 21:28.25 | thomaschaaf_ | I only KNOW of two but there a probably lots more |
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| 21:28.48 | thomaschaaf_ | well in arp I can see 3 macs at least and some servers |
| 21:28.59 | thomaschaaf_ | I guess I can't debug this until someone is there |
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| 21:30.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: you could try pinging the broadcast address of the network, then check the ARP table |
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| 21:31.16 | evanvarvell | .. test.. |
| 21:31.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | (or simply see how many distinct answers you get) |
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| 21:31.54 | thomaschaaf_ | around 30 |
| 21:32.18 | thomaschaaf_ | sorry 15 |
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| 21:33.48 | ompaul | ping -b .225 ; arp -a |
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| 21:34.05 | elichai2 | hey |
| 21:34.07 | elichai2 | how can i backup my partition table\scheme through gparted? |
| 21:34.49 | thomaschaaf_ | Eduard_Munteanu: but what would this change? did you think that dhcp gave me another machines ip? |
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| 21:36.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: no, could be a switch issue or some other host doing things it isn't supposed to. |
| 21:36.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Like ARP poisoning. |
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| 21:37.17 | thomaschaaf_ | I'll have to read into how that would work.. is there any reason for doing that in a network which is not harmful? |
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| 21:38.11 | thomaschaaf_ | anyway have to go sleep :) good day to you and thanks for you suggestions Eduard_Munteanu |
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| 21:38.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | thomaschaaf_: not normally, usually it's done to sniff on traffic between two other hosts on the same network. |
| 21:38.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sure, alright, g'night. |
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| 21:44.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Are there any known performance issues with Debian in VMs (KVM with virtio storage, via libvirt, hosted on a no-COW file on a btrfs filesystem)? Installing the system and pkgs feels slower than Fedora. |
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| 21:50.47 | Netwizard | test |
| 21:50.56 | JPT | :) |
| 21:51.00 | Netwizard | hmmm |
| 21:51.01 | Netwizard | weird |
| 21:51.09 | Netwizard | on others channels i wasn´t able to talk for some reason |
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| 21:51.44 | JPT | some channels mute or ban people that are not registered/identified, maybe that is a cause |
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| 21:54.49 | lakcaj | Hello. I'm trying to troubleshoot a webserver in a VM which is normally hosted with an actual domain name. I tried putting an entry in /etc/hosts on the host machine so that visiting that domain in the browser will resolve to the VM instead of the actual site. This isn't working (and shouldn't, from what I've read). I'm just looking for other suggestions. |
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| 21:57.29 | tremon | lakcaj: iiuc, you tried editing /etc/hosts on the webserver? Try editing the one where you're running the client instead |
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| 22:00.22 | tremon | Eduard_Munteanu: fedora may be shipping non-upstream btrfs patches. I haven't noticed any throughput issues with virtio on lvm here, but I'm still chasing some latency issues with that setup and a win8 vm |
| 22:00.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | tremon: btrfs is the filesystem on the host, not guest. The guest used ext4 in both cases. |
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| 22:01.41 | tremon | I know, I'm using LV's as vm datastore here |
| 22:01.58 | tremon | (well, I know as in: I understood what you meant) |
| 22:02.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | I should try running apt-get with libeatmydata (fsync disabler) first. |
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| 22:03.39 | tremon | oh, I think I still may have misunderstood. You're running debian and fedora in vm's? I thought debian was the host system |
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| 22:04.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | tremon: yes, Debian vs Fedora as guests, but the host is a Gentoo. :) |
| 22:05.07 | lakcaj | tremon: sorry, I thought I just nuked to production database... recovering from a heart attack here. |
| 22:05.37 | kom | is your heart bleeding ? |
| 22:05.43 | tremon | lakcaj: ah, I know the feeling |
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| 22:06.20 | tremon | Eduard_Munteanu: most of the virtio development is happening at redhat as well. It wouldn't surprise me if fedora was shipping with non-upstream virtio patches either ;) |
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| 22:06.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Wow! It's *much* faster with libeatmydata. |
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| 22:07.03 | tremon | that's completely within expectation. As in, seconds vs many minutes is not uncommon |
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| 22:07.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect guest fsyncs are getting through as fsyncs on the host, and btrfs is known to have (had) fsync performance issues. |
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| 22:07.53 | tremon | sounds possible |
| 22:08.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | I should try with an image file on ext4 instead of btrfs. |
| 22:08.46 | tremon | although rpm should be doing its fair bit of fsync too |
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| 22:08.52 | kittonian | hi all. i had a drive go south on me last night out of the blue, and when I went to repair it using fsck it hung for hours at "copy multiply-claimed blocks". So, I force quite it and tried to run it again and now I'm getting "bad magic number in superblock". it's an ext3 single partition with some important data. any ideas on how to fix this and get it remounted? |
| 22:09.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suppose so. :/ |
| 22:09.31 | Brigo | kitai, fsck it |
| 22:09.54 | Brigo | kittonian, fsck it |
| 22:10.00 | Brigo | kitai, sorry, not for you. |
| 22:10.03 | kittonian | Brigo: did you read that I've already done that? |
| 22:10.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: you should not have run fsck without backing it up as it was first. |
| 22:10.13 | tremon | kittonian: ouch. Try the ext4 development mailing list. Step 1: pull a full backup of that disk and do your recovery on the image instead |
| 22:10.29 | kittonian | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks, but it umounted itself and disappeared. no chance to do anything with it prior to trying to resolve the issue |
| 22:10.56 | kittonian | i can't mount it or access it in any way at the moment |
| 22:11.00 | Brigo | kittonian, you can make a backup with it umounted. |
| 22:11.13 | tremon | kittonian: if you can't access it, you can't run fsck on it |
| 22:11.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Right, an *image*, not backup. |
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| 22:11.46 | Brigo | well, i think a image is a good backup :) |
| 22:11.52 | kittonian | ok, it's showing all kinds of block errors and issues. how can I backup the drive to a different drive? |
| 22:12.05 | kittonian | i have an available drive that I can use already in the system ready to go |
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| 22:12.17 | tremon | kittonian: if it's showing read errors, use dd_rescue |
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| 22:12.51 | tremon | read up on it before running, it's fairly powerful but understanding how it works will really help you |
| 22:13.18 | tremon | oh, and it's ddrescue, without _ |
| 22:13.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | You should do that now, even if you didn't do it before fscking. |
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| 22:14.17 | tremon | kittonian: at the very least, read http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html#Important-advice |
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| 22:15.28 | kittonian | i'm reading up on it now. have you used this successfully? |
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| 22:16.23 | tremon | yes, although a bit different situation. I had an ssd that would randomly lock up |
| 22:16.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: it's exactly what it's for. |
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| 22:17.48 | tremon | the good thing in my case is that the ssd wouldn't lock up on the same sector every time. After about 20 unplug/replug cycles, it had managed to save >99% of the disk |
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| 22:19.29 | tremon | kittonian: also scan over the algorithm section, specifically the "phases". It will help you understand the terminology the tool uses. And as it says, always run with logfile |
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| 22:25.51 | kittonian | i'm reading and reading, but this is a bit of a tight timeframe situation. any possibility you could help me with this. i really don't have the time to "figure it out" right now |
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| 22:26.26 | tremon | well, it's past bedtime for me. But tight timeframe and disk error recovery don't mix well |
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| 22:26.52 | tremon | I'd expect the ddrescue alone to take several hours, depending on the state and size of the disk |
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| 22:27.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: the defaults should be alright for a start |
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| 22:28.33 | kittonian | i can't even do an apt-get on this system because it's looking at the failed drive for some reason |
| 22:28.36 | kittonian | this is nuts |
| 22:28.43 | tremon | the recipe on the end of section 4 is pretty much what I'd use. Start with a plain run with a large read size, then start reducing the read size (-s) and upping the retries (-r) |
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| 22:29.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: move it to another computer |
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| 22:29.24 | tremon | apt shouldn't be looking at unmounted disks, maybe grub-probe or some other trigger? |
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| 22:30.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | In particular, stop using the disk itself, other than to read data for backup purposes. |
| 22:30.35 | tremon | keep in mind that once a disk section is read succesfully, ddrescue will not read it again (as long as you use the same logfile for all operations) |
| 22:30.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | (so don't boot it or anything like that) |
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| 22:31.03 | kittonian | this whole machine is screwed. it can't even find make |
| 22:31.17 | kittonian | is there a way to run fsck via ssh on the root drive? |
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| 22:31.45 | kittonian | obviously i need to unmount it and seeing as it contains the OS I'm not sure that's going to be an option |
| 22:31.49 | tremon | not without a lot of preparation. It would require you to build an initramfs with built-in dropbear ssh |
| 22:32.13 | tremon | I know it's been done so you can probably find something on the 'net, but I've never done it myself |
| 22:32.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: first back up, then fsck. Do it from an OS on a different disk, stop using it as your OS. |
| 22:32.18 | kittonian | i literally can't do anything to build software. i can't even get the machine to boot without doing the cntrl-d |
| 22:32.32 | kittonian | Eduard_Munteanu: I cannot backup or do anything on this machine |
| 22:32.46 | kittonian | I am trying to get ddrescue installed and can't use apt-get install or make |
| 22:32.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: you should turn it off, remove the disk and move it to a different computer where you can do that. |
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| 22:33.21 | kittonian | Eduard_Munteanu: ssh signifies "remote" access to the machine. i am not there to do anything |
| 22:33.42 | tremon | wild idea: mount tmpfs on /tmp, use apt-get download and dpkg -x, run it from tmpfs |
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| 22:34.04 | tremon | be careful though, if you put the ddrescue logfile on tmpfs you will lose the log when you reboot |
| 22:34.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | kittonian: I think the best thing you can do is to power it off until you can get there |
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| 22:35.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | If it's a mechanical issue like a head crash these things can spread out during use. |
| 22:35.13 | tremon | at this point I have no confidence that the box will power itself down cleanly |
| 22:35.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, it could do a hard power off without unmounting. |
| 22:35.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's likely best. |
| 22:36.06 | tremon | if it gets that far. Sounds like at least some of the binaries have been damaged |
| 22:37.13 | kittonian | tmpfs was already mounted on /lib/init/rw |
| 22:37.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | There's an ACPI entry in proc where it can be told to power off or go S3, IIRC. |
| 22:37.24 | kittonian | not sure what you mean by use apt-get download and dpkg -X |
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| 22:38.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | And that involves no HDD IO as long as you have a shell already running. |
| 22:38.09 | tremon | apt-get download ddrescue ; dpkg -X ddrescue*.deb `mktemp -d` ; cd !:3 |
| 22:38.33 | tremon | untested of course, so season to taste |
| 22:39.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | would strongly suggest not touching that disk anymore |
| 22:39.04 | kittonian | apt-get download is not a valid command |
| 22:39.45 | tremon | bah. what release are you running? |
| 22:39.50 | kittonian | it's old |
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| 22:40.35 | tremon | well, there's also the manual "wget .deb from debian.org mirror" |
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| 22:41.13 | tremon | probably want this one then: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/ddrescue/download |
| 22:41.18 | kittonian | 6.05 is the answer |
| 22:41.22 | kittonian | 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 22:45.12 | tremon | well, I gotta go now. Best of luck with your disk. When you have a rescue image, probably the first thing you need is fsck -b to specify an alternate superblock |
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| 22:45.32 | tremon | and run fsck with -n first as well |
| 22:45.42 | kittonian | thank you for your help |
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| 22:46.01 | tremon | yw |
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| 23:18.19 | viccuad | guys, how come that debian has the mp3 codec? |
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| 23:19.45 | centrx | viccuad, What do you mean? |
| 23:20.01 | viccuad | I mean, isn't there any legal problem? |
| 23:21.11 | centrx | I think the problematic MP3 patent expired a while ago |
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| 23:22.58 | Artemis3 | don't worry, there is always the problematic h264 patent |
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| 23:30.21 | elichai2 | there is such thing as codecs for mplayer? |
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| 23:31.48 | elichai2 | (because i got some Mismatching header version 53.19.0 errors) |
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| 23:39.16 | mirak | hello |
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| 23:39.50 | mirak | is there a slocate like that can find files by md5sum ? |
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| 23:48.45 | somiaj | mirak: that could be very time consuming, what file are you trying to find. Was it installed by a debian package? |
| 23:49.16 | somiaj | but it would be easy enough to write a script that would do it |
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| 23:52.29 | mirak | somiaj, i ask if there is a tool like slocate |
| 23:52.36 | mirak | that stores md5sum |
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| 23:59.37 | somiaj | looks like dlocate can search debian packge files by md5sum, but I didn't see one that creates a database of the system of md5sums. |
