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| 00:04.21 | themill | somiaj: dpkg maintains file md5sums itself from wheezy onwards; there's debsums too |
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| 00:14.19 | abrotman | mirak: couldn't you just grep the md5sum out of /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sum ? Not very efficient, but simple enough (depends how often you need this) |
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| 00:15.51 | themill | (sounds like Yet Another implementation of fdupes) |
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| 00:19.57 | mirak | abrotman somiaj i understand your answers, however my question was if such a software exists, and according to your answer I can guess that either it doesn't exist, or you don't know it exists. |
| 00:20.01 | mirak | thanks |
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| 00:42.35 | nell | when is jessie out? |
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| 00:44.25 | dondelelcaro | nell: probably not for another year; but the general answer is "when it's ready" |
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| 01:23.10 | highbass | hey guys i cant seem to figure this out... i have dns-nameserver set with the dns server in interfaces... however when i try to ping the urls it doesnt resolve it... i know it works because i can resolv it when i do nslookup ... what am i missing? |
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| 01:24.20 | highbass | nm .. had to fix my nsswitch.conf |
| 01:25.22 | torpet | Hm I have been trying to play around with debian for the last 2 days now on my laptop |
| 01:25.31 | torpet | but i dont really understand the SysV-system debian is using |
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| 01:25.51 | torpet | so what tools am I supposed to use? insserv, update-rc.d, invoke-rc.d? |
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| 01:26.23 | torpet | I didn't find a way output the daemons that are being automatically started |
| 01:27.04 | somiaj | torpet: you can use any of the tools for the most part. Since in the end it is a set of linkes from /etc/rc?.d/ to /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:27.34 | somiaj | torpet: the foo-rc.d are debian tools that should work with other init systems, but if you want to use insserv and service directly you can. |
| 01:27.57 | torpet | so the "official" debian tools are the *-rc.d ones? |
| 01:28.00 | somiaj | ahh nevermind I guess they are just designed to be debian's frontends |
| 01:28.01 | somiaj | correct |
| 01:28.09 | somiaj | to sysVinit |
| 01:28.13 | torpet | how am i supposed to find out what daemons are being autostarted? |
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| 01:29.10 | somiaj | I personally just ls /etc/rc2.d and look for the ones with an S in front of the link number |
| 01:29.25 | themill | torpet: ls works fine. there are various tools to pretty print that output |
| 01:30.44 | torpet | somiaj: lol, i am too much corrupted by systemd coming from arch lately |
| 01:30.55 | torpet | should have figured out that by myself, considering i used to use debian in the past... |
| 01:30.57 | themill | you can install systemd and use it quite happily |
| 01:31.14 | torpet | themill: yeah i read about it, but it's not really complete yet is it? |
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| 01:31.21 | themill | works fine |
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| 01:31.48 | Edisto | does debian have as many issues as mint and ubuntu with flash addon for browsers? |
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| 01:32.39 | somiaj | Edisto: depends on what you mean by issues, but the adobe flashplugin could be the source of all those issues, not the distro. |
| 01:33.20 | Edisto | issues as in can't do anything because the system is freezing |
| 01:33.55 | Edisto | then it comes back after a while |
| 01:34.19 | somiaj | I don't experience such things, but until you try hard to say if it is the flash plugin or the distro. My guess is the flash plugin isn't liking your computer. |
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| 01:36.41 | somiaj | Edisto: you could use a live image from live.debian.net, get it online, edit the sources to add non-free software, install the non-free flash plugin and test for yourself. |
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| 01:38.35 | Edisto | I think I might just end up using debian lol I tried ubuntu and mint. Ubuntu I definetly notice the issues. I'm guessing debian would be alot more stable |
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| 01:40.29 | FuuqUmiist | what issues are you having with flash |
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| 01:41.23 | Edisto | when I have a few tabs open at a time it starts to freeze where I can't do anything. Then after 5-20 seconds it comes back |
| 01:41.37 | Edisto | It keeps doing that even after I exit a browser |
| 01:42.41 | mdim | hi all. I've ran into a trouble while trying to upgrade packages from wheezy-backports with the following error: http://paste.debian.net/93969/ |
| 01:43.35 | mdim | the problem doesn't go away with 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' |
| 01:43.46 | FuuqUmiist | Edisto is your cpu at 100% or do you have good enough internet speed |
| 01:44.30 | glycol | mdim: looks like you ran out of memory |
| 01:44.40 | mdim | glycol: right |
| 01:45.17 | mdim | according to free, I should have about 1 GB now, but still can't fix the problem |
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| 01:47.15 | FuuqUmiist | Edisto it could be the addons you are using in your browser, try running it is safe mode or something |
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| 01:47.53 | glycol | do you have swap? is it full? |
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| 01:50.03 | mdim | glycol: no, I don't have swap |
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| 01:52.50 | glycol | try using a swapfile if possible |
| 01:54.02 | mdim | don't have one. What would happen if I reboot now? |
| 01:55.10 | glycol | it should boot, unless dpkg failed at something like a kernel upgrade |
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| 01:57.17 | zykotick9 | mdim: your lack of a swap partiton/file... might be an issue down the road as well. (seems silly not to have one, IMO) |
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| 01:58.08 | glycol | dd if=/dev/zero of=/swp1 bs=1024 count=524288; mkswap /swp1; chmod 0600 /swp1; swapon /swp1; #create 0.5 GB swap and make linux use it |
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| 01:58.50 | glycol | or count=1048576 for 1 GB |
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| 02:00.08 | owen1 | what folder is a good place to put some binaries? |
| 02:00.25 | centrx | owen1, /usr/local/bin |
| 02:00.30 | glycol | depends, usually /usr/local/bin |
| 02:00.31 | zykotick9 | owen1: /opt or ~/bin are two options. |
| 02:00.49 | centrx | home directory avoids polluting the rest of the system |
| 02:01.45 | Novap | I usually just make a ~/bin/ and add it to my $PATH |
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| 02:02.16 | zykotick9 | Novap: fyi, ~/bin will be in your PATH by default (does require log out/log in after creating it) |
| 02:02.27 | Novap | waaaat |
| 02:02.49 | owen1 | cool! thanks |
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| 02:03.13 | owen1 | maybe i'll do ~/.bin |
| 02:03.21 | owen1 | i don't like to see it |
| 02:03.32 | Novap | mkdir ~/bin |
| 02:03.44 | glycol | anyone knows how's x32 support coming together? |
| 02:04.06 | Novap | I think it has to be ~/bin I don't know if it will automatically add it to $PATH if it's ~/.bin |
| 02:04.40 | zykotick9 | Novap: owen1 ~/.bin would need to be manually added to PATH |
| 02:05.56 | mdim | glycol: thx for the instructions, but don't want to have swap. I have 4 GB of memory, usually way more than I need |
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| 02:06.09 | owen1 | zykotick9: yup |
| 02:06.24 | Novap | zyotick9: you were right |
| 02:06.32 | zykotick9 | mdim: _usually_ being the important word there... |
| 02:06.34 | Novap | It does auto add to PATH :) |
| 02:07.13 | mdim | zykotick9: right. So, no need to sacrifice performance due to 1% of cases, which shouldn't have happened in the first place |
| 02:08.20 | mdim | brb |
| 02:08.22 | themill | mdim: what makes you think unused swap impacts on performance? |
| 02:08.28 | zykotick9 | mdim: ya, 'cause the issue you're having right now "is a real time/performance saver" |
| 02:08.39 | mdim | brb |
| 02:08.40 | themill | mdim: btw the full output would be good to see |
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| 02:10.13 | glycol | themill: i think it has to do with the fact that sometimes malloc'd memory gets swapped |
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| 02:13.55 | mdim | here's the full log: http://paste.debian.net/93972/ |
| 02:14.01 | glycol | once i decreased swap from 4gb to 0.5 and linux barely uses it now, this was a machine where 75% ram usage is normal but never goes above ~85% but linux always had like 300 mb in swap which made performance worse overall |
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| 02:14.24 | themill | mdim: umm... sudo apt-get upgrade -t wheezy-backports is a really bad idea to begin with |
| 02:14.57 | mdim | themill: why? |
| 02:15.50 | themill | because that's not how they are designed to be used. You're running a completely untested combination of packages there. Not even the maintainers have tested them with each other. |
| 02:16.29 | mdim | ok, good to know. Didn't know that about backports |
| 02:16.59 | mdim | so, what to do with tar? |
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| 02:18.33 | mdim | as far as I can tell, dpkg uses tar, and I kind of have a vicious dependency hell |
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| 02:19.55 | zykotick9 | SNS strikes again... |
| 02:20.03 | mdim | fixed |
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| 02:23.58 | mdim | thx for the chat! |
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| 03:02.07 | iateadonut | on my local host, i'm typing mysql from the command line and getting a mysql prompt, but nothing from "cat ~/.my.cnf" - says there is no such file or directory. i have no idea where mysql could be getting the configuration info from |
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| 03:03.04 | adh0c | Hi, kind of silly question: I need to install ffmpeg 0.8.X on a Squeeze system. |
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| 03:03.32 | adh0c | It would involve pulling that package and its list of dependencies from Wheezy, as the Squeeze package stops at 0.5.X. |
| 03:04.14 | adh0c | Running 'apt-get install ffmpeg/wheezy' looks like it will uninstall the libc6 version from squeeze, and reinstall libc6 from Wheezy. |
| 03:04.23 | adh0c | How potentially disastrous is this? |
| 03:04.50 | adh0c | My gut tells me very. |
| 03:05.17 | themill | this is not a sensible thing to do |
| 03:05.31 | centrx | adh0c, For one thing, the ffmpeg package in wheezy is an empty transitional package to libav |
| 03:06.03 | centrx | adh0c, The binary uses libav |
| 03:06.19 | centrx | adh0c, So why do you need to install ffmpeg on a squeeze system? |
| 03:07.01 | adh0c | The squeeze version of ffmpeg cannot read webm files. That functionality began in version 0.6.X |
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| 03:08.24 | adh0c | I just need to be able to extract the wemb file's audio. |
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| 03:09.34 | centrx | adh0c, You should be able to use libav for that, doing the same thing you were thinking of doing |
| 03:09.58 | centrx | adh0c, Otherwise, the way to get ffmpeg is to get the binaries, it's not in recent versions of Debian |
| 03:09.59 | adh0c | The client needs to extract the audio channel from a webm file. Is the squeeze version of libav capable of doing so? |
| 03:10.31 | centrx | adh0c, I don't know. You might need to do the same thing you were thinking of doing with libav instead of ffmpeg |
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| 03:10.45 | linuxuz3r | px |
| 03:10.47 | centrx | adh0c, But you shouldn't install wheezy packages in sid, you could source backport them though |
| 03:10.50 | linuxuz3r | xD |
| 03:11.17 | centrx | adh0c, The libav in squeeze-backports might do it too |
| 03:11.38 | centrx | adh0c, Personally I would just get the ffmpeg binaries, extract them to /tmp and just use that once |
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| 03:25.15 | adh0c | Okay, I installed the libav-tools package from squeeze-backports. Thanks for your help centrx. |
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| 04:47.55 | mns | if a package says its half-installed, how do I fix it so that its correctly installed ? |
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| 04:48.44 | somiaj | mns: dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:48.54 | somiaj | mns: assuming that it has been unpacked but not configured |
| 04:49.00 | mns | thanks somiaj |
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| 05:03.16 | adhoc | hi |
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| 05:04.41 | adhoc | is there any doco on migrating apache config files from 2.2 -> 2.4? |
| 05:05.03 | adhoc | having some issues on getting mod_vhost_alias to work |
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| 05:08.32 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 05:08.32 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
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| 05:16.43 | z8z | I'm completing a local repository of debian but i can't understand where to find wheezy/updates. In the source mirror there is wheezy wheezy-updates but can't understand which is the path of wheezy/updates |
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| 05:17.25 | themill | z8z: wheezy/updates is on security.debian.org |
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| 05:18.09 | z8z | themill: yeah i know but on a mirror which is the path? |
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| 05:18.42 | themill | it's not on the mirror network |
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| 05:19.49 | z8z | themill: D: so none of the security packages exist on mirrors? |
| 05:20.01 | themill | z8z: wheezy/updates is on security.debian.org |
| 05:20.22 | z8z | themill: yeah i got it but no other mirror? |
| 05:20.36 | themill | I'm running out of ways of saying this. |
| 05:20.44 | dinosaurs | why am I getting this popup after updates? |
| 05:20.45 | dinosaurs | http://imgur.com/feq03xk |
| 05:20.50 | z8z | themill: just with a yes or no |
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| 05:27.43 | z8z | themill: reading on the website..... so if i mirror that into a my wheezy/updates host folder it's fine right? |
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| 05:33.06 | Guest51917 | hi guys |
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| 05:33.17 | Guest51917 | what is the easiest way to install debian stable to a usb memory stick? |
| 05:33.34 | Guest51917 | i would like to try and setup an encrypted usb based environment |
| 05:34.16 | rozie | usb stick is just a hard disk |
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| 05:36.13 | rozie | so if you don't care about flash memory wear, it's just a hard disk |
| 05:36.28 | Guest51917 | k. |
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| 05:45.42 | Blue1 | Guest51917: this may/may not help -- http://pkill-9.com/ubuntu-go-installing-linux-usb-flash-drive/ |
| 05:46.30 | Guest51917 | everything helps. thanks! |
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| 05:47.16 | Blue1 | I have tried this with ext4 and it works fine. |
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| 06:15.32 | galex-713 | taylanub: I find the better is to *use* ffmpeg and to *contribute* to libav. That way less work is spent, and there’s no single authoritarian maintener who control the dev process, and the two softwares keep at the better since ffmpeg integrate libav changes |
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| 06:24.40 | rubin110 | I have a box running Wheezy with six 2tb drives. |
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| 06:25.06 | rubin110 | The drives are horrible WD green, which suffer from 4k block sizes and 8 sec spin down. |
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| 06:25.42 | rubin110 | I thought when I had setup the drives I did some hdparm magic to force a longer spindown time, but it looks like that isn't the case and the drives have been in use for many years. |
| 06:26.13 | rubin110 | I want to stick all the the drives into a RAID6 with mdadm. |
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| 06:27.25 | rubin110 | If I replaced the drives with larger ones, let's say 4tb, as the drives failed over time, would I be able to eventually expand the space the RAID6 is using once all of the drives get replaced? |
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| 06:28.16 | me-1 | hi....how do i install media codecs |
| 06:28.31 | rubin110 | me-1: What are you trying to play? |
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| 06:29.26 | me-1 | different audio and video formats , like mp3 , mp4 3gp flv etc |
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| 06:29.54 | potatoe- | this may be wrong chan because my question is regarding a raspberry pi |
| 06:30.01 | potatoe- | but how do I get X to start on boot? |
| 06:30.06 | rubin110 | me-1: Try https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 06:30.09 | potatoe- | i tried raspi-config and it doesn't work |
| 06:30.25 | rubin110 | potatoe-: I think there's a #raspbian channel |
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| 06:30.42 | potatoe- | rubin110: cool thanks |
| 06:30.59 | rubin110 | me-1: You might want to also try installing videolan |
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| 06:31.43 | me-1 | ok thank you |
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| 06:33.01 | uwjesq | Hello. How can I check the which user a process runs as, if the user name is very long? |
| 06:33.21 | uwjesq | Traditional ways top and ps only give me part of the user name. |
| 06:33.42 | rubin110 | potatoe-: This might also be useful https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/7261/how-to-set-my-raspberry-pi-to-boot-into-the-gui |
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| 06:34.45 | rubin110 | uwjesq: http://muctable.org/?p=113 |
| 06:34.52 | potatoe- | rubin110: i tried that and it doesn't work |
| 06:35.09 | rubin110 | potatoe-: Describe "doesn't work" |
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| 06:36.37 | potatoe- | rubin110: it starts X, as in, I'm seeing X running on ps |
| 06:36.45 | potatoe- | but theres no display and its running lxde |
| 06:37.41 | rubin110 | potatoe-: I don't know then, poke the raspbian folks. |
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| 06:37.58 | potatoe- | dead chan unfortunately :/ |
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| 06:38.24 | hzopak | hello, quick question. |
| 06:38.36 | hzopak | If i want to install a package that's newer than the version in stable |
| 06:38.47 | hzopak | i just want to install a once off testing package or something |
| 06:38.52 | hzopak | what's the best way to do it? |
| 06:39.05 | somiaj | hzopak: it is the dependencies that could mess you up, so you'll have to compile your own backport |
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| 06:39.10 | somiaj | !tell hzopak about ssb |
| 06:39.12 | hzopak | for example. i want to use vim 7.4, however the stable version is 7.3 |
| 06:39.28 | somiaj | ,check-backport vim |
| 06:39.38 | uwjesq | rubin110: Sorry, does not work for me. Thanks anyhow. |
| 06:39.48 | hzopak | ok, cool. |
| 06:39.56 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 06:40.04 | somiaj | hzopak: I can't think of any major issues you will get backporting vim |
| 06:40.24 | potatoe- | rubin110: I'm wondering if its because the default xorg conf has the wrong device? |
| 06:40.29 | potatoe- | Is it possible to set a framebuffer there? |
| 06:41.57 | rubin110 | potatoe-: Totally a good question to ask raspbian folks. |
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| 06:48.14 | hzopak | hey, sorry. still a little confused on how to install vim |
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| 06:49.23 | hzopak | what do i need to add to my sources.list? |
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| 06:54.56 | jelly-home | hzopak: will that be a mere install, or backport 7.4 then? |
| 06:55.47 | jelly-home | if you want to just install, the default sources should be fine |
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| 06:57.08 | hzopak | i'd like to try and do it the debian package manager way |
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| 06:57.34 | hzopak | vim isn't on backports.debian.org |
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| 07:01.40 | jelly-home | hzopak: did you read the ssb recipe? |
| 07:01.43 | somiaj | hzopak: did you read that factoid dpkg sent you. You can add a deb-src line to jessie, and then run a few commands and see if it can automatically build a vim package for you. |
| 07:02.28 | hzopak | yeah, i didnt understand it |
| 07:03.04 | hzopak | aptitude build-dep packagename |
| 07:03.08 | hzopak | wants to install gnome and the like |
| 07:03.37 | hzopak | i kind of don't want to do that on a vps |
| 07:04.22 | hzopak | oh, wait deb src to jessie, no sorry i misread what it was telling me |
| 07:05.30 | somiaj | well you can do sid or jessie, either works |
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| 07:05.58 | somiaj | you can also build the package in a chroot with pbuilder or debootstrap if you don't want to install all those building tools and deps on your main install |
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| 07:06.48 | hzopak | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 07:06.58 | themill | hzopak: you can build the package on another machine; yes, building vim requires *lots* of different packages because of all the different flavours of vim that are available. |
| 07:07.00 | hzopak | so this is the deb-src line right? |
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| 07:09.19 | hzopak | mmk |
| 07:09.25 | hzopak | i think i understand now |
| 07:09.28 | hzopak | thanks |
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| 07:17.06 | taylanub | galex-713: haha, good idea :D jokes aside, from what I know the FFmpeg dictator actually took a lesson out of what happened, he was said to be behaving better now IIRC |
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| 07:35.11 | gXen | my html files are idetified by my CA certificate, but not my php files, which are in the same directory... what is the problem? |
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| 07:37.31 | Acceos | Do u have any htaccess-file causing mixed content? |
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| 07:41.08 | gXen | ah, I think It is because in my php file i am requesting some data from a non secure server... |
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| 07:44.43 | Acceos | COuld be |
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| 08:05.45 | dcpc007 | hello, on a scientific cluster, we ask us to disable ssh strict host checking, as on each reinstall of a node, all users get warning about man in the middle attack and connection refused, but o'm not sure it was a good idea (users are only internal) |
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| 08:06.19 | rob_w | i got a interesting problem .. i ve a box behind a firewall where i can only ssh into .. now i set up ssh reverse tunnels so i can use apt-get upgrade etc and change my sources list accordingly |
| 08:06.35 | themill | dcpc007: can you not just arrange for the same keys to reappear after the reinstall? (how often are you reinstalling?) |
| 08:06.39 | rob_w | it works for the nromal repos, but security.debian.org doesnt work |
| 08:07.01 | rob_w | anyone willing to assist ? |
| 08:07.54 | dcpc007 | themill: it was the solution i send to subcontractors :o) but they think not usefull ... |
| 08:08.13 | dcpc007 | themill: 154 nodes on the cluster, and like 1 reinstall / month |
| 08:08.33 | themill | and you actually let users ssh to the nodes, I take it |
| 08:08.45 | dcpc007 | themill: working on a script to clean each time all the know_hosts (on nfs luckily), but not easy |
| 08:09.14 | dcpc007 | yes users launch compute on the cluster :) |
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| 08:09.26 | themill | on individual nodes? |
| 08:09.32 | themill | that's... different. |
| 08:10.10 | dcpc007 | parallel computing .. all tasks owned by the user (for trace) |
| 08:10.32 | dcpc007 | then when multinode computing, there is ssh between nodes |
| 08:11.14 | themill | sure, users would still never normally log on to the individual nodes by ssh. there's normally queueing software that handles all that bit for them |
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| 08:11.34 | themill | anyway, can you manage it through a global known_hosts file so each user doesn't have to update it themselves? |
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| 08:12.02 | dcpc007 | yes ssh is automatic via the software |
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| 08:12.14 | dcpc007 | then just this use know_hosts |
| 08:12.29 | dcpc007 | but they logon manually too to tail some log sometimes |
| 08:12.55 | dcpc007 | ha good idea... never look for that solution, i check if it's possible |
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| 08:13.30 | dcpc007 | all users are onnfs share :) |
| 08:13.38 | themill | My thought would be to set StrictHostKeyChecking = yes (that is make it *more* strict) and always seed your /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file(s) with the right keys |
| 08:14.03 | dcpc007 | yes is the default value no ? |
| 08:14.19 | themill | no, "ask" is the default (see ssh_config(5)) |
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| 08:16.15 | themill | The other option would be to disable host key checking for only that subnet |
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| 08:16.30 | babilen | dcpc007: You could also easily use software such as salt or ansible to manage that (and various other bits of the configuration) -- e.g. http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.ssh_known_hosts.html and http://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/states/all/salt.states.ssh_auth.html for salt (arguably complete overkill just for that single usecase) |
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| 08:17.49 | dcpc007 | salt is like puppet ? |
| 08:18.15 | Omilun | hello |
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| 08:18.42 | babilen | dcpc007: yes |
| 08:18.44 | Omilun | how to install vlc-2.1.3 on debian ? |
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| 08:19.27 | dcpc007 | ha ok, will try for new servers one day, but here the cluster is managed via Xcat |
| 08:19.36 | themill | Omilun: which release of debian and what is that exact version offering you that you need it? |
| 08:19.39 | dcpc007 | then not look for this |
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| 08:20.01 | dcpc007 | 1st time i have impact on users for cluster changes :-( |
| 08:21.31 | Omilun | themill: i need it for avi format |
| 08:21.48 | themill | avi is supported by lots of versions of vlc |
| 08:21.59 | babilen | Has been for years |
| 08:22.26 | Omilun | themill: not suported only play voice and say a error |
| 08:22.26 | dcpc007 | themill fond it , use ~/.ssh/config with UserKnownHostsFile=/nfs/users/known_hosts |
| 08:22.44 | dcpc007 | and manage this one after ... but manuel anyway :(' |
| 08:22.52 | taylanub | I stopped the polipo service and removed it from auto-started via insserv -r, now the cron.daily job for polipo fails because it can't find the polipo pid file. Is there a more proper way to "disable" a service ? |
| 08:23.04 | dcpc007 | best way should be to save hosts keys after 1st install for me |
| 08:23.06 | themill | dcpc007: hmm... that'll be a problem for users if they want to ssh anywhere else. |
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| 08:23.22 | dcpc007 | no they will add to the common file |
| 08:23.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell taylanub -about disable service |
| 08:23.34 | themill | dcpc007: that doesn't sound like a good plan |
| 08:23.35 | dcpc007 | and the 2nd user will already have the key |
| 08:23.44 | dcpc007 | http://linuxcommando.blogspot.fr/2008/10/how-to-disable-ssh-host-key-checking.html (at bottom) |
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| 08:24.00 | babilen | taylanub: You will, naturally, have to remove that cron job as it seems to rely on a running policy instance |
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| 08:25.17 | taylanub | babilen: BTW how was I supposed to find the piece of information dpkg just gave me; no amount of RTFMing and Googling seemed to point at anything more than 'insserv -r' |
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| 08:26.03 | taylanub | I can't figure out whether I'm dumb or if Debian has a serious lack of documentation. :) |
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| 08:26.21 | themill | taylanub: man update-rc.d has plenty of examples. |
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| 08:27.19 | taylanub | I guess I just needed to know the name "update-rc.d" then, though I didn't see it mentioned much anywhere |
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| 08:28.23 | babilen | taylanub: pick my brain? But honestly: There was a long thread about the proper way to disable daemons on debian-devel a while back and this is the recommended way. You can probably induce that fact by reading some of the developer information and checking, say, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/unix-services.html |
| 08:28.50 | taylanub | ugh, ok |
| 08:28.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell taylanub -about update-rc.d |
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| 08:30.22 | themill | it's also in the "see also" section of every man page to do with the init system |
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| 08:31.00 | babilen | taylanub: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.3.3 is probably what you were looking for |
| 08:31.06 | z8z | themill: hi mill i finished my mirror with everything but client cannot find translation packages... why? |
| 08:31.16 | themill | z8z: did you mirror them? |
| 08:31.34 | z8z | :| special path? |
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| 08:32.29 | z8z | themill: i mirrored wheezy wheezy-updates wheezy/updates what else? |
| 08:33.47 | themill | you're going to need to provide details if you want anyone to help you |
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| 08:35.45 | z8z | themill: i don't know what details... seriously |
| 08:36.01 | themill | any details about what you did would help |
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| 08:38.59 | z8z | themill: i ran apt-mirror with these link settings http://pastebin.com/z3CZ5Hqf and finished mirroring everything but client cannot see translation packages |
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| 08:50.20 | z8z | themill: so any idea? |
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| 09:07.06 | rvsjoen_ | any advice on how to set the nofile ulimit permanently for a single user ? |
| 09:07.40 | rvsjoen_ | tried setting the soft and hard limit in /etc/security/limits.conf but it doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 09:07.53 | z8z | i give up :D |
| 09:07.57 | joltcan | rvsjoen_: set it in .profile for the user with ulimit -something |
| 09:08.06 | joltcan | (dont remember the option :) |
| 09:09.13 | rvsjoen_ | when I run ulimit -n 8192 as the user it says operation not permitted |
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| 09:10.14 | z8z | i ran apt-mirror with these link settings http://pastebin.com/z3CZ5Hqf and finished mirroring everything but client cannot see translation packages... any idea? |
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| 09:11.16 | joltcan | rvsjoen_: but you set the user in limits.conf as well, right? (I hate ulimit stuff, always takes forever to git it working as supposed too) |
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| 09:22.05 | z8z | i ran apt-mirror with these link settings http://pastebin.com/z3CZ5Hqf and finished mirroring everything but client cannot see translation packages... any idea? |
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| 09:36.38 | DE1 | hi, i did a long-overdue upgrade of my system recently and my xbmc now crashes whenever i start it.. here is the xbmc crashlog: http://paste.debian.net/94016/. |
| 09:36.47 | DE1 | xbmc people told me to come here.. |
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| 09:37.25 | DE1 | scratch that, fixed :) |
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| 09:40.53 | lsme | When I boot my system it says MySQL failed to start after those dots have been printed. But if I do a "pidof -C mysqld" it's running... Is there something wrong with the initcscript? |
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| 09:42.13 | z8z | lsme: did you update it? |
| 09:43.05 | lsme | It's running the latest, I just noticed it now when I watched the boot messages |
| 09:43.51 | z8z | lsme: during updates debian uses a special use in the db that you should not delete otherwise you may face problems upgrading |
| 09:43.54 | Walex | lsme: there can be other MySQL instances for other purposes. As a rule when you want and answer to questions like this first thing checks the logs. |
| 09:44.07 | z8z | lsme: special user* |
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| 09:44.52 | lsme | z8z: I know, I have that user. I haven't touched the database at all actually |
| 09:45.30 | z8z | lsme: did you try to restart? /etc/init.d/mysqld restart (as root) |
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| 09:47.00 | lsme | Yeah that works fine |
| 09:47.33 | z8z | lsme: solved? |
| 09:47.36 | lsme | I just get two dots and it's up |
| 09:47.38 | lsme | No |
| 09:48.18 | lsme | During the boot it appears like it fails to start, long boot, lots of dots, FAILED. But once I have a shell and do pidof -C mysqld it's running |
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| 09:48.41 | lsme | So it's probably something the initscript does to check whether it's running or not that fails |
| 09:48.58 | petern_ | Why not check the log files to be sure? |
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| 09:50.53 | z8z | i ran apt-mirror with these link settings http://pastebin.com/z3CZ5Hqf and finished mirroring everything but client cannot see translation packages... any idea? |
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| 09:51.55 | lsme | petern_: I see the initscripts thinks it failed. It says 0 processes alive and it can't connect to the mysql socket |
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| 09:52.33 | Walex | z8z: check the metadata in your local mirror (the 'Packages' files) to see if those packages are listed there. if they are it is a client issue. |
| 09:52.47 | petern_ | Log files. |
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| 09:53.27 | sandman13 | how do i install flash in Debian 7? |
| 09:53.49 | Walex | sandman13: with many regrets :-) |
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| 09:54.13 | sandman13 | Walex: what? o.O |
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| 09:54.52 | Walex | sandman13: you install Flash in Debian with much sadness. |
| 09:55.29 | z8z | Walex: i try :| |
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| 09:55.35 | jonkri | When I install "fglrx-driver" on Debian Unstable, I run into X.org errors about "/usr/X11R6/lib64/.../fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". There is no such directory "/usr/X11R6". What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:55.54 | Walex | sandman13: however first choose which Flash implementation: Adobe, GNASH, Lightspark. |
| 09:56.19 | Walex | sandman13: then you install the relevant package and the relevant browser plugin package which have the obvious names |
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| 09:56.35 | sandman13 | Walex: do GNASH and Lightspark work for youtube? |
| 09:56.43 | Walex | sandman13: for Adobe https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 09:56.58 | Walex | sandman13: conflicting reports as to YouTube working with them. |
| 09:57.47 | petern_ | lsme, look in /var/log/syslog if you honestly don't know what I mean by "check the log files" |
| 09:58.08 | Walex | jonkri: if you are using Debian Unstable you are a very advanced Debian wizard and solving problems like that is very easy for you. |
| 09:58.12 | themill | z8z: which version of apt-mirror are you using? |
| 09:58.27 | lsme | petern_: I looked at the log files and told you what they said. Can't copy paste quickly, it's on another box, another net, etc |
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| 09:58.42 | jonkri | Walex: I know my way around Debian in general, but this driver stuff has me confused. |
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| 09:59.12 | Walex | jonkri: also note that discussing issues with Debian 'testing' and 'unstable' archives is for another channel as the /topic of this channel says |
| 10:00.05 | jonkri | Walex: Oh, sorry for the off-topic question. And thanks. |
| 10:01.04 | z8z | themill: 0.4.8-5 |
| 10:01.06 | Walex | lsme: note that MySQL has its own log. |
| 10:01.15 | ivanshmakov | Walex: #debian-next appears to require an invitation. |
| 10:01.25 | jonkri | ivanshmakov: Not on OFTC. |
| 10:01.34 | lsme | Walex: Those are empty since there's no error |
| 10:01.47 | sandman13 | Walex: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree didn't work for me |
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| 10:01.53 | ivanshmakov | jonkri: ACK, thanks. |
| 10:01.59 | lsme | I found the issue in the initscript. It backgrounds mysqld, then waits for 14 seconds. If mysqld isn't running after that period of time it thinks it failed |
| 10:02.07 | Walex | ivanshmakov: as <jonkri> hints the "official" Debian channels are on OFTC... |
| 10:02.17 | themill | z8z: you might like to look at #725762 then |
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| 10:02.35 | Walex | lsme: but why is MySQL not ready after 14 seconds? that's a very log time. |
| 10:03.19 | Walex | sandman13: thanks for letting us know :-) |
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| 10:03.54 | lsme | Walex: I'm not sure, it's obviously ready before 14 seconds. A service mysql restart takes less than 2 seconds |
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| 10:04.14 | lsme | I'll look into the initscript some more later, gotta have some lunch |
| 10:04.16 | Walex | lsme: long wait times are often associated with DNS.... |
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| 10:05.00 | z8z | themill: i installed the one from debian official stable |
| 10:05.20 | themill | yes. |
| 10:05.36 | lsme | Walex: But for what reason would mysql query DNS? It's a default install, nothing changed |
| 10:06.02 | z8z | themill: so i need to manual install it 'cause the debian repos have not been updated to that version? |
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| 10:06.50 | Walex | lsme: just guessing. |
| 10:08.12 | ivanshmakov | Walex: I’ve got that. But frankly, I do not understand why there have to be several IRC networks. (As much as I do not understand why there has to be Debian Wiki when there already is WMF Wikibooks.) |
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| 10:10.29 | Walex | ivanshmakov: diversity is good especially for free sw. diversity makes the ecosystem more resilient to partial failures. |
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| 10:11.51 | ivanshmakov | Walex: Perhaps. But right now, I see no compelling reason to use any IRC network other than Freenode. FWIW, the vast majority of channels I’m interested in are there. |
| 10:12.48 | Walex | ivanshmakov: for free sw interesting channels are mostly on both Freenode and OFTC. |
| 10:12.56 | sandman13 | silly me done Walex |
| 10:13.40 | Walex | ivanshmakov: OFTC exists in part because in the past Freenode has been occasionally a bit "erratic" :-). Resilience... |
| 10:13.57 | Walex | sandman13: that'd good. |
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| 10:14.09 | ivanshmakov | Walex: ACK. |
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| 10:20.08 | z8z | every package installed even from apt-mirrored repos checks hash+signature(local) before installing right? |
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| 10:26.49 | Walex | z8z: that's not quite the right way to describe it... |
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| 10:27.43 | Walex | z8z: but yes the metadata files with the hashes are signed, and the signed will get checked by default. |
| 10:29.24 | z8z | Walex: Ok thanks |
| 10:29.56 | z8z | Walex: that means partial package download will be recognised |
| 10:30.30 | Walex | z8z: yes. |
| 10:31.29 | z8z | Walex: good ... thanks for the tips! |
| 10:33.01 | z8z | Walex: I can wait for the translation until the apt-mirror fixed is released by official debian repos |
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| 10:40.45 | starrats | good morning everyone, first time I have been here, thinking about installing Debian 7.4 xfce on my VBox anything i should know, currently using xubuntu 14.04 |
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| 10:43.30 | Brigo | !tell starrats about install |
| 10:44.32 | Brigo | starrats, dpkg bot has some information about. If you even have a question, then ask. |
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| 10:45.11 | starrats | I just read the bot's notes will review prior to install on VBox |
| 10:45.52 | Brigo | starrats, but ifaik it will be easy. |
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| 10:46.27 | Brigo | !tell starrats about vbox-install wheezy |
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| 10:48.04 | Brigo | !tell starrats about vbox guest |
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| 10:48.41 | Brigo | starrats, i think that last message is all that you should know abaut it. |
| 10:49.29 | starrats | Like I mentioned, I have been running Xubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr pre-release for about 2 months now and getting familiar with apt-get. and now 'aptitude' and other things. |
| 10:50.12 | starrats | ah okay thank you Brigo |
| 10:50.23 | Brigo | np :) |
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| 10:50.55 | folken | hi, where do i set the ulimit for open files globally ? |
| 10:51.08 | starrats | will let you know how everything works out for me later, I have things to do now. |
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| 10:51.41 | Brigo | folken, man ulimits |
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| 10:51.56 | Brigo | folken, man ulimit, sorry |
| 10:52.03 | gry | folken: how globally? "u"limit is per-user |
| 10:52.30 | folken | gry: ok, where do i set the defaults per user then? :) |
| 10:52.58 | folken | Brigo: that opens a programmer man page. |
| 10:53.14 | Brigo | folken, so try in bash man page |
| 10:53.15 | ivanshmakov | folken: man limits.conf? |
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| 10:53.45 | gry | folken: https://serverfault.com/questions/356962/where-are-the-default-ulimit-values-set-linux-centos has a verbose explanation |
| 10:53.52 | ivanshmakov | Brigo: Bash-based ulimits will only work if the user in question uses Bash. |
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| 10:55.55 | folken | gry and ivanshmakov thx. i think /etc/security/limits.conf is what i was looking for. |
| 10:56.16 | Brigo | man systemd.exec |
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| 10:57.22 | folken | what i don't get however /etc/security/limits.conf says: * hard nofile 102400 |
| 10:57.33 | folken | but root only has 1024 openfiles |
| 10:57.55 | ivanshmakov | folken: That could be the system-imposed limit. |
| 10:58.00 | neo1691 | Hi there, I started using ranger recently and pressed some keys that marked some of my folders with a "q". Can you tell me what is it? Who to revert it? |
| 10:58.11 | folken | ivanshmakov: you mean by the kernel? |
| 10:59.19 | ivanshmakov | folken: I mean at the kernel level, but I may very well be mistaken. |
| 10:59.28 | ivanshmakov | folken: Did you try increasing the limit with # ulimit? |
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| 10:59.51 | folken | ivanshmakov: you are right: grep file /proc/1/limits |
| 10:59.52 | ivanshmakov | folken: As in # ulimit -Hn 102400 |
| 11:00.04 | folken | ivanshmakov: Max open files 1024 4096 files |
| 11:00.40 | ivanshmakov | folken: That’s the default, inherited by all the descendants of PID #1. |
| 11:00.42 | folken | ivanshmakov: ulimit -Hn 102400 does not change the ulimit for root.. ulimit -a still gives me 1024 |
| 11:01.12 | ivanshmakov | folken: What about # ulimit -Sn 102400? |
| 11:01.35 | folken | ivanshmakov: that works. |
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| 11:02.09 | ivanshmakov | folken: That was the “soft” limit, then. Any user may raise his or her soft limit on any resource up to the “hard” one. |
| 11:02.24 | ivanshmakov | folken: That is, soft limits are the /current/ ones, and hard limits are, well, limits. |
| 11:02.25 | Brigo | neo1691, i don't know, but if the The default keys are similar to those of Vim, use 'u' to undo changes. |
| 11:02.25 | Walex | folken: PAM has a suitable module. |
| 11:03.19 | folken | Walex: yes... but this seems useless, as init overrides the value with a hardlimit for 4096 |
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| 11:04.12 | Brigo | The hard limit is the ceiling for the soft limit. The soft limit is what is actually enforced for a session or process. This allows the administrator (or user) to set the hard limit to the maximum usage they wish to allow. Other users and processes can then use the soft limit to self-limit their resource usage to even lower levels if they so desire. |
| 11:04.13 | ivanshmakov | folken: pam_limits.so is run /after/ init(8), so it can override whatever limit init(8) sets. |
| 11:04.23 | Brigo | from http://serverfault.com/questions/265155/soft-limit-vs-hard-limit |
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| 11:04.33 | lsme | Walex: The error initscripts says about mysql has to do with the computer being slow and not able to get it running within 14 seconds |
| 11:05.04 | lsme | It also appears that proftpd starts while mysql is starting, instead of waiting for its turn |
| 11:05.23 | Walex | folken: the PAM module runs as 'root'. But note that PAM modules only apply to logins, not to daemons spawned in other ways. |
| 11:05.48 | folken | in my case its samba4 that is running into the filehandle limit. |
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| 11:06.03 | Walex | lsme: again, that's very peculiar. 14s seems a bit too long. As to FTP daemons etc. lots of them have undeclared dependencies for startup. |
| 11:06.04 | ivanshmakov | Walex: OTOH, certain daemons /do/ run PAM by themselves (atd, crond, sshd, etc.) |
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| 11:07.33 | Walex | ivanshmakov: to be pedantic note that the daemons that use PAM, apply it to the user processes they create, not to themselves. |
| 11:07.36 | lsme | Walex: Yeah, I didn't mean it's proftpd, could be any daemon started after mysql |
| 11:07.50 | lsme | And it is a bit long, but this is a virtual machines and I see that it depends on the load |
| 11:07.55 | ivanshmakov | Walex: Yes. |
| 11:08.23 | ivanshmakov | lsme: Did you try increasing the timeout in the init.d script? |
| 11:08.32 | z8z | upgrading mysql i got the same problem i solved once but i don't remember how: mysql wont stop and upgrade fails? how was the solution? |
| 11:08.37 | Brigo | lsme, did you try to restart mysql after boot? |
| 11:08.43 | folken | what is strange, is that nomatter what i set /etc/security/limits.conf for all users, root has only 1024 filehandles. |
| 11:09.07 | lsme | ivanshmakov: Sure, I'll try that, but that doesn't really solve the issue |
| 11:09.22 | Brigo | but i could be a clue. |
| 11:09.24 | Walex | folken: there could be some kind of shell RC (.bash_profile, .profile, ...) that sets it. |
| 11:09.27 | Brigo | s/i/it |
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| 11:10.05 | stmaher | Hi guys, can anyone recommend a console bandwidth monitor to show individual connections via IP? |
| 11:10.16 | stmaher | OpenBSD has iftop which is nice.. anyone know anything similar via apt? |
| 11:10.22 | Brigo | well, may be a hard limit for root has no sense ... |
| 11:10.34 | lsme | Brigo: MySQL starts as it should, the issue is just the initscript thinking it doesn't. If it doesn't start within 14 seconds it thinks it isn't working |
| 11:10.51 | OpenTokix | stmaher: iptraf |
| 11:11.15 | OpenTokix | stmaher: dont run it on a busy server, since it uses quite a bit of resources |
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| 11:12.19 | stmaher | OpenTokix thanks.. does it give total speed for a single ip? |
| 11:12.21 | Brigo | stmaher, iftop too. |
| 11:12.30 | OpenTokix | stmaher: try it |
| 11:12.52 | Brigo | stmaher, iptraf show both. |
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| 11:18.46 | stmaher | Brigo OpenTokix thanks guys.. didnt have contrib in my apt sources when i went to fetch iftop |
| 11:18.56 | stmaher | iftop now working perfectly thanks again! |
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| 11:44.17 | Twinkletoes | When I use a2ensite to enable the default website, the symlink gets named to 000-default. I understand why it does that but not HOW. Cany anyone enlighten me where the config is which make it put a 000- in front? |
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| 11:45.26 | replicator2 | how do I specify the framebuffer on which xorg starts? |
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| 11:48.09 | joltcan | Twinkletoes: I guess that is inside the a2ensite script? Not sure that it matters though, you could just choose to ignore that script and do symlinks by your own |
| 11:48.23 | Twinkletoes | joltcan: Ok - :) |
| 11:48.52 | ivanshmakov | Twinkletoes: Conversely, I’d rather # a2dissite default, and write my own site configuration files. |
| 11:48.59 | Goozey | did anyone here manage to setup Samba4 on Debian 7.4 as a RODC domain controller for a Windows Active Directory |
| 11:49.19 | OpenTokix | Twinkletoes: it is a special entry just for teh defaultsite, so it gets loaded first. - since the site loaded fists get the default traffic. |
| 11:49.24 | joltcan | Twinkletoes: I don't run apache, but you could always look in that script, or find the source for the code (if it's a binary). Maybe too much hazzle thoug |
| 11:49.27 | joltcan | h |
| 11:49.39 | OpenTokix | Twinkletoes: if you want to load your sites in a special order, name them 001, 002, etc - and link them |
| 11:50.39 | replicator2 | how do I specify the framebuffer on which xorg starts? |
| 11:50.40 | OpenTokix | Twinkletoes: http://pastebin.com/CtqhFXPt |
| 11:50.41 | ivanshmakov | BTW, I have a bunch of notes on configuring different “non-desktop” software on Debian, and I plan to publish them on Wikibooks. What’d be a good name for such a wikibook? My current choice is something like “Debian for Non-desktop Uses”. |
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| 11:51.53 | ivanshmakov | Twinkletoes: Though personally, I only need it for a “catch-all” sites-available/zz-default site. |
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| 11:53.00 | joltcan | ivanshmakov: wouldn't it be better to call it "debian for system admins" in that case? I would never search for "non-desktop" use, but that's just me. |
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| 11:54.11 | ivanshmakov | joltcan: The point is that system administrators may very well have to handle desktop software (as in: when the users so request.) But I’d rather like to make all of that out of scope outright. |
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| 11:58.10 | Jonuz | What is that login screen called which is first x11 thing which you will see when debian starts |
| 11:58.13 | Jonuz | session manager? |
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| 12:07.10 | ivanshmakov | Jonuz: Desktop manager. |
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| 12:08.15 | ivanshmakov | joltcan: Well, I hope that those interested will find my wikibook via searching for, say: Exim Debian. |
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| 12:09.42 | Kuba | ivanshmakov: re Jonuz question; didn't you mean "display manager"? with lightdm or gdm3 as example providers? |
| 12:10.54 | ivanshmakov | Kuba: I stand corrected. |
| 12:11.10 | ivanshmakov | (Though my preference is surely XDM.) |
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| 12:13.11 | ivanshmakov | I’ve recently found that the only software dependent on libgtk that I have installed on the base system is xscreensaver. I was about to replace that with Slock (from suckless-tools), but then I’ve discovered that it insists on comparing the password to shadow(5) directly. And xlockmore is now long gone. |
| 12:13.32 | sidgfhj | So, when downgrading a package, how do I also downgrade all dependencies of said package? |
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| 12:14.21 | ivanshmakov | Any other X display locking software in Debian stable, based on libx11 (or libxt, libxaw, etc.), and allowing for either PAM or a password explicitly configured by the user (as in: ~/.xxxlockrc)? |
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| 12:17.14 | sidgfhj | Nevermind, fixed it. |
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| 12:17.57 | sidgfhj | ivanshmakov: Isn't the normal screen lock enough? |
| 12:18.02 | sidgfhj | crtl + alt + l |
| 12:19.00 | sandman13 | why does KDE shows the popup (only incase of date) in this manner: http://imgur.com/Sul2Ofg? bottom right corner why there is a scroll bar? |
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| 12:20.19 | sandman13 | removing and reinserting the digital applet did the trick, silly me :D |
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| 12:22.12 | sajjadg | I can't mount my 1T external hdd which has fat32 fs with rw option! nautilus can't do it. and even mounting in terminal doesn't let me copy files to it. any idea? |
| 12:22.29 | sidgfhj | Any reason why the KDE calendar is messed up, in terms of it showing the description of a certain day incorrectly? |
| 12:22.49 | sidgfhj | sajjadg: How did you attempt to mount it via terminal? |
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| 12:23.27 | sajjadg | mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sdd1 /mnt |
| 12:23.34 | sajjadg | :-/ |
| 12:24.25 | sajjadg | I used gparted to check the fs and it produced lots of files in the hdd root! named FSCK0057.REC like |
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| 12:24.39 | justin2 | hi |
| 12:24.41 | justin2 | clear |
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| 12:26.56 | sajjadg | does fat has any permission or anything that a device can detect and prevent me from copying files from it!? |
| 12:27.07 | petern_ | No. |
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| 12:29.36 | Brigo | sajjadg, but you could mount it readonly. |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | the mount point perhaps? |
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| 12:30.37 | Walex | sajjadg: ambiguous question (and not very Debian related....) |
| 12:30.45 | Brigo | sajjadg, fsck.fat /dev/sdd1 could help. |
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| 12:32.32 | ivanshmakov | sidgfhj: There is /no/ “normal screen lock”. Whatever you’ve configured to run on Ctrl+Alt+L is a separate, specific program (as in: Debian package.) The problem with these packages are that most of them rely on either libgtk or libqt, which are not used by any other component on my base system. |
| 12:32.50 | sidgfhj | ic |
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| 12:36.00 | hejux | hi |
| 12:36.00 | hejux | is this debian? |
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| 12:36.09 | Yosi | Jus, it is. |
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| 12:38.38 | angs | ls |
| 12:40.34 | angs | I have debian 7.4 on an arm device that does not have any internet connection. I am installing this package libstdc++6-4.4-dev_4.4.7-2_armel.deb but it outputs that g++-4.4._4.. is missing on the system as a dependency. When I try to install g++-4.4_4.4.7-2_armel.deb, it says vice a versa that libstdc++6.. is missing |
| 12:41.07 | angs | I use dpkg -i ...deb. how do I suppose to install packages that are dependent on each others? |
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| 12:42.55 | hejux | Hello, Is there a guide to set up a L2TP VPN |
| 12:43.11 | jelly | angs: you do dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb |
| 12:43.13 | hejux | so i can use on my iPhone |
| 12:43.22 | angs | thanks jelly |
| 12:43.46 | jelly | angs: and if any dependencies are provided by the distro, fix them with apt-get -f install |
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| 12:44.19 | electron-beam | gnewsense:~# hostname --domain hostname: Name or service not known |
| 12:44.39 | electron-beam | help |
| 12:44.59 | angs | jelly. it installed it thanks again. |
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| 12:52.45 | Brigo | hejux, package xl2tpd |
| 12:53.00 | replicator2 | i need to run a script ons tartup that will rely on X |
| 12:53.11 | replicator2 | so I need my script to run only after X server has been initialized |
| 12:53.15 | replicator2 | any idea how I'd do this? |
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| 12:55.06 | sandman13 | gparted doesn't follow the gtk theme specified, I have installed gtk2 and gtk3 theme engines in KDE though |
| 12:56.02 | ChrisH | replicator2: did you have any idea on how to do the xauth stuff against X? |
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| 13:06.30 | ioudas | has anyone created a kbdrate udev rule before? I have created the udev rule but its not applying.... just curious as to why. |
| 13:07.21 | replicator2 | theres something you can use to apply the rule |
| 13:07.29 | replicator2 | itll spit out the error message |
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| 13:09.14 | blue_ | hello |
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| 13:09.22 | Xeppo | morning! |
| 13:09.23 | blue_ | Wha't the IRC of Nagios ?? |
| 13:09.32 | Xeppo | ##nagios |
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| 13:10.03 | Xeppo | nvm, I lied |
| 13:10.19 | Xeppo | #nagios |
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| 13:11.05 | blue_ | <Xeppo> THx! |
| 13:11.11 | ioudas | hmmm |
| 13:11.13 | Xeppo | no problem |
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| 13:12.48 | starrats | I just installed Debian 7.4 xfce on VBox and I got to the login screen and wanted a password so I put the password in and it said wrong password, please try again, I have two passwords one for root and one for user and neither of them worked, what am i doing wrong or ? |
| 13:12.58 | ioudas | the udev isnt erroring out.... it just doesnt set the kbdrate |
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| 13:13.06 | ioudas | upon insertion of the keyboard device |
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| 13:16.46 | Brigo | starrats, amazing. :) |
| 13:17.18 | Brigo | you can not loggin like root neither like your user? |
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| 13:18.40 | starrats | Brigo I tried both root password and also user password and neither of them worked but they are correct do to the installation process |
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| 13:19.18 | Brigo | first time i see something like this. Are you installing wheezy? |
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| 13:20.38 | starrats | don't know if it's 'wheezy' just this Debian 7.4 xfce 64 bit |
| 13:21.02 | Mikaela | Wheezy is Debian 7.* |
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| 13:21.36 | starrats | ah ok |
| 13:23.15 | DammitJim | silly question, but is there a simple way to check an md5sum for a file knowing the md5sum string? |
| 13:23.25 | DammitJim | I know one can do it visually, but how does one do it programatically? |
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| 13:23.56 | frostschutz | md5sum -c? |
| 13:23.59 | colo-work | md5sum -c <<<"YOURMD5STRING filename" |
| 13:24.14 | colo-work | jt@d257:~ $ md5sum .bashrc |
| 13:24.14 | colo-work | 2afdd6c53990f2387a7ef9989af0bc07 .bashrc |
| 13:24.14 | colo-work | jt@d257:~ $ md5sum -c <<<"2afdd6c53990f2387a7ef9989af0bc07 .bashrc" |
| 13:24.14 | colo-work | .bashrc: OK |
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| 13:24.23 | colo-work | weeee |
| 13:24.24 | johnny_|_ | Hi, I have silly question... How can I move panel list (taskbar/whatever) to the left? Now is at the bottom and the only thing I can do is open preferences where there is not much to choose from. |
| 13:24.26 | DammitJim | like an: if [ ${md5sum} eq ${md5string} ]; then echo "good" |
| 13:24.43 | DammitJim | lol |
| 13:24.45 | colo-work | md5sum has an exit status for that purpose |
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| 13:25.04 | colo-work | jt@d257:~ $ md5sum -c <<<"2afdd6c53990f2387a7ef9989af0bc07 .bashrc" &>/dev/null; echo $? |
| 13:25.05 | colo-work | 0 |
| 13:25.17 | colo-work | if the check fails, it'll return a non-zero value |
| 13:25.28 | ChrisH | johnny_|_: not sure if I got your point, but simply klick and drag the bar to where ever you want it |
| 13:25.29 | Brigo | starrats, the only think i can think is to boot from a rescue disk (the install for example) or access the disk file and remove the pasword. |
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| 13:26.04 | johnny_|_ | ChrisH: it's not working(?) although I am accessing through vino if maybe this is an issue. |
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| 13:26.11 | DammitJim | oh cool! |
| 13:26.13 | DammitJim | thanks colo-work |
| 13:26.28 | DammitJim | interesting that one does a <<< "checksum filename" |
| 13:26.37 | ChrisH | johnny_|_: what is vino? |
| 13:27.00 | johnny_|_ | ChrisH: vnc server for gnome |
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| 13:27.21 | colo-work | DammitJim, that's just a bash trick to circumvent manually creating a temporary file |
| 13:27.30 | starrats | I installed without a dvd disk and installed it on an iso image on VBox |
| 13:27.31 | DammitJim | oh cool |
| 13:27.37 | colo-work | md5sum can read a file with checmsums and pathnames in it to verify established checksums |
| 13:27.59 | johnny_|_ | ChrisH: I set up desktop sharing access. |
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| 13:29.58 | ChrisH | johnny_|_: soory, beyond my scope. I use ssh for remote access :) |
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| 13:34.57 | marsje | As a result of the heartbleed thing I'm trying to update my SSL private key and CAcert certificate, but after I do that, Apache will give me this error: SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch |
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| 13:35.24 | marsje | I tried to do it again a few time, but I get the same error. Switching back to old private key and cert fixes makes it run again |
| 13:35.47 | marsje | Had no luck getting answers in #openssl and #apache |
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| 13:36.20 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Use $ certtool -i < FILE.crt | grep -iFA1 -- key\ id and # certtool -k < FILE.key | grep -iF -- key\ id and check if they match each other. |
| 13:36.46 | replicator2 | what is the reason behind starting a command with @ |
| 13:37.03 | ivanshmakov | replicator2: In Makefile? |
| 13:37.11 | replicator2 | n |
| 13:37.14 | replicator2 | normal script |
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| 13:38.17 | ivanshmakov | replicator2: I never seen such thing as ‘@’ in “normal” scripts. |
| 13:38.40 | ivanshmakov | $ @true → bash: @true: command not found. |
| 13:39.15 | ivanshmakov | replicator2: What’s the exact code? |
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| 13:40.35 | replicator2 | ivanshmakov, nevermind turns out it was just lxession file |
| 13:40.48 | replicator2 | @ in that particular file just makes the program restart if crashe |
| 13:40.49 | replicator2 | d |
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| 13:44.15 | lanodan_peche | Hello does someone knows how to use loadkeys (for us keymap)? |
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| 13:48.00 | marsje | ivanshmakov: where can I find certtool? don't seem to have it |
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| 14:27.54 | jelly | judd: file bin/certtool |
| 14:27.58 | judd | Search for bin/certtool in wheezy/i386: gnutls-bin: usr/bin/certtool; libgnutls26-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/certtool |
| 14:28.20 | jelly | marsje: gnutls-bin package, ^^ |
| 14:29.06 | marsje | ivanshmakov: found certtool in gnutls-bin. Tried it and the public key IDs in private key and in the certificate are not the same and I don't know why |
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| 14:29.58 | DammitJim | what is the proper channel for debian jessie? |
| 14:30.05 | DammitJim | I think #debian-next is invite only |
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| 14:30.29 | Brigo | DammitJim, #debian-next, but in oftc server. |
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| 14:30.41 | DammitJim | oh yeah |
| 14:30.42 | Brigo | DammitJim, but you can ask here too. |
| 14:31.07 | DammitJim | well, is there something I can use to edit raw image files? |
| 14:31.16 | DammitJim | I think I was using ufraw with wheezy |
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| 14:32.33 | Brigo | DammitJim, gimp? |
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| 14:33.41 | DammitJim | gimp doesn't deal with CR2 files directly |
| 14:34.26 | Brigo | DammitJim, no there is a gimp-ufraw . |
| 14:34.35 | ChrisH | gimp calls ufraw for me |
| 14:34.42 | Brigo | DammitJim, or may be rawstudio. |
| 14:34.51 | DammitJim | that's what I mean, there is no gimp-ufraw package for jessie |
| 14:35.08 | DammitJim | sorry |
| 14:35.10 | DammitJim | I take it back |
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| 14:35.23 | DammitJim | dunno why my search for ufraw didn't return gimp-ufraw |
| 14:35.25 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 14:35.56 | Brigo | DammitJim, my jessie have it ... |
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| 14:44.04 | Sbroker` | shh.... |
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| 14:49.04 | jibos | hi |
| 14:49.08 | voglster | trying to get multiple monitors to work with xrandr but the output of xrandr only shows 1 display.. currently i have my laptop docked and the display is cloned onto both monitors but thats how it booted... anyone have any ideas or things i should look at? |
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| 14:49.53 | ivanshmakov | marsje: The reason is probably because you’ve used a CSR for your older key while applying for a newer certificate, or something like that. |
| 14:50.30 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm trying to change the name of my external HDD. I've tried as root and it still fails |
| 14:50.36 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I go about it? |
| 14:50.43 | ivanshmakov | marsje: If you’re sure that the /key/ file is the new one, then you should regenerate CSR (preferably also checking it with $ certtool), and apply for a certificate once again. |
| 14:51.10 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I also generated a new csr, but maybe somehow it references to the old key or something... it's sort of impossible since I used the same filename (using a symlink) |
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| 14:51.58 | ivanshmakov | marsje: $ certtool --crq-info < FILE.csr | grep -iFA1 -- key\ id (or something like that)? |
| 14:52.15 | marsje | ivanshmakov: let me try |
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| 14:53.33 | marsje | ivanshmakov: the public key id in the csr matches the one in the cert, but not the one in the private key |
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| 14:53.53 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Then regenerate the CSR. |
| 14:54.25 | wurtel | why can I simply enter my passphrase into gpg when doing gpg < secrets.gpg, but when signing a debian package during dpkg-buildpackage it insists on using pinentry and a gnupg-agent? I don't want to use gnupg-agent! |
| 14:54.31 | marsje | ivanshmakov: already tried a few times, but will try again to make sure |
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| 14:55.03 | ivanshmakov | marsje: If that fails, show the exact command line you use to create a CSR. |
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| 14:56.47 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I'm using openssl, not certtool. Can I use certtool as well? |
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| 14:57.16 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Yes. |
| 14:57.52 | ivanshmakov | Personally, I find certtool(1) CLI syntax much closer to the GNU conventions prevalent in Debian GNU. |
| 14:58.50 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Like: $ certtool --template TEMPLATE --generate-request --load-privkey FILE.key. |
| 14:59.09 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I think my openssl.key contains to much sh*t and probably the wrong sh*t |
| 14:59.27 | kruug | so, I ran vrms to try and trim back on non-free packages, but I'm having trouble with a few... |
| 14:59.39 | kruug | Here are my vrms results: http://kruug.duckdns.org/files/non-free.log |
| 14:59.47 | ioudas | has anyone created a kbdrate udev rule before? I have created the udev rule but its not applying.... just curious as to why. |
| 14:59.48 | kruug | how do I get rid of the "dei" packages? |
| 15:00.53 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Did you check it with $ certtool -k? |
| 15:01.24 | ivanshmakov | marsje: An example TEMPLATE for $ certtool --generate-request is at https://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?oldid=81485, BTW. |
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| 15:04.56 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I was checking the ID of the wrong private key... with the right one, the pub key id matches |
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| 15:05.41 | marsje | ivanshmakov: anyway, I will try with certtool to see if it is any different |
| 15:05.47 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Does your Apache actually use the /right/ key and certificate? |
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| 15:06.37 | marsje | ivanshmakov: well, I left the config as it was and symlinked the new key and cert with the old name |
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| 15:07.05 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Did you restart the server? (Just in case.) |
| 15:07.15 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Are the symlink targets accessible by the server? |
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| 15:10.21 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I made the rights the same as the key that I already had (-rw-r----- root root) |
| 15:10.43 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Apache is not run as root in Debian. |
| 15:11.27 | ivanshmakov | Or am I mistaken on that? |
| 15:11.42 | mdel | should be www-data |
| 15:11.52 | marsje | ivanshmakov: hmmmm... I see it runs as www-data, but it worked before |
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| 15:11.59 | ivanshmakov | Got it. |
| 15:12.14 | ivanshmakov | Apache reads the key while starting and /before/ it drops privileges. |
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| 15:12.50 | ivanshmakov | marsje: So the permissions are correct, but are you sure you’ve /restarted/ the server? (As in: # service apache2 restart; /not/ reload.) |
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| 15:14.13 | marsje | ivanshmakov: yes, because I get the error when restarting |
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| 15:15.06 | ivanshmakov | marsje: What are the exact values of SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile Apache parameters? |
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| 15:17.10 | marsje | ivanshmakov: SSLCertificateFile /etc/ssl/certs/marsnix.nl.cer |
| 15:17.12 | marsje | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.24 | marsje | both are now symlinks to the original key and cert |
| 15:17.47 | marsje | when I change them both to the new key and cert I get this error |
| 15:17.56 | marsje | someone in #openssl mentioned intermediate keys |
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| 15:19.25 | randytravis | i keep getting this bash error when trying to install tor |
| 15:19.28 | randytravis | on debian |
| 15:19.31 | randytravis | what is the culprit? |
| 15:19.32 | randytravis | http://imgur.com/feq03xk |
| 15:19.36 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Do $ certtool -i and # certtool -k to /these exact filenames/ (preferably copying them directly from the file), respectively. What are the “key id” values? |
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| 15:19.47 | Metaleer | !ops randytravis image |
| 15:19.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: metaleer complains about: randytravis image |
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| 15:20.08 | kruug | Hello, I'm trying to purge `steam` from my system, but I keep getting `subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 10` when attempting a `dpkg --purge` |
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| 15:21.37 | somiaj | kruug: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:22.17 | kruug | somiaj: Jessie |
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| 15:23.47 | somiaj | kruug: well it sounds like the package is buggy, report a bug on it. |
| 15:24.31 | somiaj | kruug: you can go to the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm |
| 15:24.59 | marsje | ivanshmakov: tried to generate a cert using a csr generated with certtool and result is the same :( |
| 15:24.59 | somiaj | kruug: putting an 'exit 0' at the top will make it so the package is removed but the script doesn't clean up anything it is suspose to, the best way is to debug why the script is failing |
| 15:25.17 | marsje | ivanshmakov: will try what you just said now |
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| 15:25.57 | kruug | somiaj: how would I debug this script? |
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| 15:26.59 | somiaj | kruug: look at the errors you get when you try to purge it, try to figure out where it returns an exit code 10. the exit 0 at the top is the easiest way to just get rid of teh package and hope you dont' have any artificats floating around. |
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| 15:27.13 | hoxu | does it matter whether you boot debian installer in UEFI mode or not? |
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| 15:27.36 | somiaj | hoxu: if you want to use efi boot it does |
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| 15:27.50 | somiaj | hoxu: basically if you want to use efi boot, boto in efi mode, if you want to use legacy boot, boot in legacy mode |
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| 15:28.18 | hoxu | somiaj, ok, and for EFI mode you need to make a few megabytes large EFI partition, and then regular /boot and / - right? :) |
| 15:28.25 | somiaj | setting up efi boot from legacy is fairly difficult, not sure about the other way around. |
| 15:28.49 | hoxu | is there any reason to use EFI mode apart from being able to boot from > 2 TB disk? |
| 15:28.54 | somiaj | hoxu: yes, I used 500megs on my efi partition, depends on what you need how small you can make it |
| 15:29.15 | hoxu | somiaj, linux doesn't need much, does it? |
| 15:29.21 | somiaj | hoxu: if you need a /boot depends on if you use lvm/encryption/etc I dont' use either so I don't have an extra /boot partition |
| 15:29.42 | hoxu | I use LUKS so I guess I still need the usual /boot partition |
| 15:29.45 | kruug | somiaj: thanks, I just did the exit 0 thing |
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| 15:30.07 | marsje | ivanshmakov: public key ids seem to match |
| 15:30.10 | somiaj | hoxu: yea it can get away with less, not sure how much less. I am just giving you the number on the guide I recentally used. |
| 15:30.29 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Yet still Apache fails to restart? |
| 15:30.37 | somiaj | hoxu: no reason to use efi boot, it does seem slightly faster, and if you wanted to dual boot win8 or some other efi booter it is then required |
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| 15:32.05 | marsje | ivanshmakov: yes: "Unable to configure RSA server private key", "SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch" |
| 15:32.12 | somiaj | hoxu: but there is no reason not to, might be nicer to not have to use legacy boot mode. |
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| 15:32.34 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Alas, I’m out of the ideas. |
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| 15:34.14 | marsje | ivanshmakov: me too... you know anything about intermediate certificates? I thought maybe has changed with the CAcert certificates since last time I went through this process |
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| 15:35.33 | ivanshmakov | marsje: I don’t. And frankly, I was going through the CAcert process last week, and had no issues with the certificates, Apache or otherwise. |
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| 15:37.33 | marsje | ivanshmakov: maybe it's something in my apache config that is wrong, but still, it's weird that it fails only after changing the private key and cert |
| 15:38.50 | CygniX | I upgraded to the backport kernel for wheeze, how do I remove the default kernel 3.2.0-4. my boot partition is quite small |
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| 15:39.10 | CygniX | s/wheeze/Wheezy |
| 15:39.31 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I do use a CN and extra dns names in the cert, maybe it has to do with that? |
| 15:39.40 | ivanshmakov | marsje: The only obvious thing that could be wrong is the filenames. That’s why I’d generally advocate /against/ using symlinks in such cases: they’re just unnecessarily complicate the things. |
| 15:40.15 | ivanshmakov | marsje: I doubt so; at the very least, the error message is “key values mismatch”, and not something about CNs or alternatives. |
| 15:40.26 | marsje | ivanshmakov: well, I have multiple sites with multiple site configs that all link to the key/cert, so I thought it would be easier to keep the same name |
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| 15:40.40 | marsje | ivanshmakov: sometimes error messages are bad ;-) |
| 15:41.56 | tharkun | What are the steps to view a DVD on Debian? |
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| 15:42.18 | ivanshmakov | tharkun: $ mplayer dvd:// |
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| 15:42.23 | ivanshmakov | (Or something like that.) |
| 15:42.29 | Nik05 | tharkun put your dvd in a dvd player, mpv dvd:// |
| 15:42.52 | ivanshmakov | marsje: If the error message references any specific filenames, you could check /them/ with $ certtool. |
| 15:42.53 | Nik05 | and its time to put dvdcss into the debian repositories... |
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| 15:47.00 | marsje | ivanshmakov: the error I pasted is all that there is :( |
| 15:48.04 | CygniX | got it |
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| 15:49.16 | ivanshmakov | marsje: Well, you can $ grep -rlF -- SSLCertificate /etc/apache2, just in case you’ve used those configuration directives with different filenames elsewhere in the configuration. |
| 15:49.39 | tharkun | ivanshmakov, Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/94086/ it fails |
| 15:49.47 | somiaj | CygniX: did you ever get apache to compile nicely? |
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| 15:51.00 | Nik05 | tharkun do you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 15:51.11 | tharkun | yes, from their repo |
| 15:51.27 | Nik05 | tharkun which repo? |
| 15:51.43 | Nik05 | oh wait maybe you have a too new version of dvdcss, i had that problem too |
| 15:51.48 | tharkun | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / |
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| 15:52.04 | marsje | ivanshmakov: already did it... do you link to any intermediate certificates in your apache config? |
| 15:52.08 | Nik05 | tharkun im using version 1.2.12 |
| 15:52.24 | tharkun | 1.2.13-0 |
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| 15:52.56 | Nik05 | tharkun did you try mpv? |
| 15:53.06 | Nik05 | thats a fork of mplayer2, little newer |
| 15:53.42 | somiaj | does it have menu support yet, I prefer xine for dvd's and use mplayer for everything else |
| 15:53.54 | Guest75572 | -_¯·_·¯_ |
| 15:53.59 | Guest75572 | BAH |
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| 15:54.25 | tharkun | Nik05: there is no mpv2 on the debian repos |
| 15:54.45 | somiaj | ,v mpv |
| 15:54.46 | judd | Package: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.3.7-1; sid: 0.3.7-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.3.7-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.3.7-dmo1 |
| 15:55.05 | somiaj | yea to get it in debian stable, looks like you have to backport it |
| 15:55.25 | somiaj | and I'm surprised, judd looks at debian-multimedia files. |
| 15:55.29 | marsje | ivanshmakov: I'm leaving office now... will try some more later tonight. Many thanks for your help! |
| 15:56.33 | ivanshmakov | marsje: I do not recall any “intermediate certificates” in my configuration. |
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| 15:58.04 | tharkun | somiaj: Thanks, I think DVD playing will have to wait some more ;P |
| 15:58.16 | somiaj | tharkun: as I said I use xine just fine for dvd's |
| 15:58.34 | somiaj | I ended up using it at the time (its been years) because it had the best menu support. |
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| 16:05.23 | tharkun | somiaj: gxine failed also. I will try later with some other dvd (The kids were playing it at home) just in case it is the phisical media that is broken |
| 16:06.01 | Nik05 | maybe the dvd is just of a bad quality |
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| 16:07.09 | Nik05 | i have had problems with some dvd's too |
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| 16:08.13 | somiaj | It could also be the encryption on the dvd, I dont' think dvdcss can read them all just most |
| 16:08.13 | tharkun | Nik05: Planes By Walt Disney. It was beeing played yesterday on a Mac Mini. Maybe the reader is crappy :( |
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| 16:08.45 | DarsVaeda | does anyone use gnome and figured how to set network time? |
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| 16:09.56 | somiaj | DarsVaeda: install the package 'ntp' and let it keep your time synced with the internet |
| 16:10.23 | DarsVaeda | I'll try thanks |
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| 16:11.58 | LuXor | hi all |
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| 16:19.26 | hoxu | how do I get the apt mirror selection which was in installer? |
| 16:19.37 | Nik05 | tharkun maybe or its using crap to only let players that pay them play it |
| 16:19.58 | hoxu | had to install offline and now sources.list contains only security.debian.org |
| 16:20.06 | SynrG | hoxu: don't know, but apt-spy could help you locate one, or you could use the redirector http://http.debian.net/debian |
| 16:20.17 | SynrG | !sources.list |
| 16:20.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:20.47 | SynrG | ^^ good enough for now. you could nail it down to a specific mirror later. |
| 16:20.47 | jelly | surely .fi has a working mirror |
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| 16:21.02 | SynrG | if the device is portable at all you might want to keep it at http.debian.net though |
| 16:21.09 | SynrG | (if you travel much) |
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| 16:22.22 | hoxu | SynrG, thanks |
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| 16:25.18 | kruug | When I run `apt-get upgrade`, sometimes it returns "1 not upgraded" so I run `apt-get dist-upgrade`, nothing upgrades, but then it states that there is nothing to upgrade. http://paste.debian.net/94096/ |
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| 16:25.29 | kruug | How can I find what program is sitting in limbo? |
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| 16:29.22 | Nik05 | kruug what limbp? |
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| 16:30.12 | Nik05 | oh kruug aptitude search ~U, what does that say? |
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| 16:30.29 | kruug | Nik05: ? |
| 16:30.32 | jelly | kruug: I don't know the right answer, however you may start by checking for held packages. dpkg --get-selections|grep hold |
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| 16:30.51 | kruug | jelly: nothing |
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| 16:31.20 | Nik05 | kruug "aptitude search ~U" lists packages that can be upgraded |
| 16:32.01 | hoxu | what's the recommended way of setting up /home on btrfs (/ is btrfs)? |
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| 16:32.17 | kruug | Nik05: that returned nothing |
| 16:32.39 | centrx | hoxu, Why would /home be different on btrfs? |
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| 16:34.08 | xunil__ | I get this: libaugeas0 : Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.7.4) but it is not installable |
| 16:34.16 | hoxu | centrx, iirc ubuntu installer for example creates a separate subvolume for /home, useful for snapshotting it separately I guess |
| 16:34.17 | jelly | ,v libxml2 |
| 16:34.18 | judd | Package: libxml2 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7.8.dfsg-2+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2.7.8.dfsg-2+squeeze8; wheezy: 2.8.0+dfsg1-7+nmu2; wheezy-security: 2.8.0+dfsg1-7+nmu2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.8.0+dfsg1-7+nmu3; jessie: 2.9.1+dfsg1-3; sid: 2.9.1+dfsg1-3 |
| 16:34.20 | xunil__ | Why isn't it installable?! libxml2 is available for Debian Wheezy. |
| 16:34.30 | jelly | xunil__: which debian release is this? |
| 16:34.34 | xunil__ | Debian Wheezy |
| 16:34.35 | xunil__ | amd64 |
| 16:34.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell xunil__ about bat |
| 16:34.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell xunil__ about wheezy sources.list |
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| 16:35.25 | ivanshmakov | xunil__: What’s the result of the following command? $ apt-get -Vs install -- libaugeas0 libxml2=2.8.0+dfsg1-7+nmu2 |
| 16:35.28 | jelly | xunil__: read the instructions dpkg gave you in private, and verify your sources.list looks sane and has lines for a debian mirror |
| 16:36.06 | xunil__ | I found the error |
| 16:36.06 | centrx | hoxu, Yes, that is sometimes done with any filesystem |
| 16:36.14 | xunil__ | Alright, the sources.list entries were missing. |
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| 16:42.09 | kruug | How can I tell what programs use a library? |
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| 16:42.23 | somiaj | kruug: as in are using it right now or depend on a library package? |
| 16:42.31 | peterrooney | kruug: apt-get --recon remove liblibrary |
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| 16:42.40 | somiaj | kruug: aptitude search can search for both dependencies and reverse dependencies |
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| 16:43.13 | zxpc8928 | is there any reason why i should not use the --no-install-recommends flag whenever i install a package? |
| 16:43.27 | hoxu | kruug, aptitude why |
| 16:43.33 | centrx | zxpc8928, Yes, if you want to use it all the time add it to your apt configuration file |
| 16:44.08 | kruug | I'm going through this list: http://kruug.duckdns.org/files/non-free.log and I want to remove as much non-free as possible |
| 16:44.09 | centrx | zxpc8928, Also some packages may really need their Recommends |
| 16:44.12 | zxpc8928 | centrx, thanks i'll do that, but i meant is there any reason why i shouldn't or is there no harm |
| 16:44.13 | kruug | to go the "Debian Way" |
| 16:44.15 | somiaj | kruug: aptitude search ~i~Dlibfoo |
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| 16:44.41 | centrx | zxpc8928, I don't install Recommends by default and everything has worked out fine |
| 16:44.52 | zxpc8928 | centrx, the problem is 90% of the time apt tries to install a lot of extra stuff |
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| 16:44.58 | centrx | zxpc8928, You might need more awareness of what certain packages do and how they are related |
| 16:45.17 | centrx | zxpc8928, Yeah, Install-Recommends false |
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| 16:46.16 | zxpc8928 | centrx, thanks, where's the location of the config file? |
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| 16:46.22 | zxpc8928 | sorry for laziness |
| 16:46.38 | centrx | zxpc8928, Probably /etc/apt* you can figure out the rest |
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| 16:50.25 | zxpc8928 | i created a file in apt.conf.d, that worked |
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| 16:50.57 | hoxu | !apt-recommends |
| 16:50.58 | dpkg | APT installs recommended packages by default since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing recommended packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends>. |
| 16:51.34 | somiaj | hoxu: you can /msg dpkg apt-recommends if you are just looking for that for yourself |
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| 16:52.51 | hoxu | somiaj, see the discussion above |
| 16:53.07 | zxpc8928 | hoxu: thank you |
| 16:53.21 | zxpc8928 | that's what i did |
| 16:53.22 | somiaj | ahh missed that (: |
| 16:53.49 | somiaj | and you should be installing recommended packages by default. If you think it a package should be suggested and not recomended maybe file a bug report |
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| 16:57.21 | zxpc8928 | the person who responded to this question even specified no suggestions, but that's probably overkill since they aren't isntalled by default https://superuser.com/questions/615565 |
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| 16:59.43 | tecdroid | hi |
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| 17:00.11 | tecdroid | hi |
| 17:00.14 | centrx | zxpc8928, You can also add a line to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:00.17 | hoxu | what's the right way to install nvidia on wheezy-backports kernel? |
| 17:00.17 | centrx | !hi |
| 17:00.17 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
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| 17:01.25 | centrx | hoxu, Use the nvidia-driver package in wheezy-backports? |
| 17:01.56 | somiaj | hoxu: Is it still not compling against the 3.13 kernel? You may need to use an older 3.12 kernel from backports if you still have it floating around |
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| 17:07.21 | ivanshmakov | zxpc8928: Alternatively, you can selectively reject specific packages via a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/. For instance, I use Package: *nouveau* // Pin: release c=main // Pin-Priority: -42 in a file there so that never a package named like that is considered by APT on my system. |
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| 17:09.08 | ivanshmakov | zxpc8928: In some cases, rejecting one or two specific packages may result in considerable savings, with respect to the number of packages APT tries to install. |
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| 17:12.35 | ScottE | hoxu: nvidia-driver in both wheezy stable and backports won't work with a 3.13 kernel, but the 331 version on the nvidia website does |
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| 17:12.58 | hoxu | crap :/ |
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| 17:13.39 | CygniX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.53 | ScottE | CygniX: I haven't seen any issues with ipv6 with 3.13 |
| 17:14.55 | zxpc8928 | ivanshmakov: that's nice. sometimes programs try to install nautilus or other gnome/kde recommendations and it's annoying |
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| 17:15.43 | hoxu | on a very much related note, any recommendations for console web browser to browse nvidia website? ;) |
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| 17:16.19 | CygniX | ScottE: after the upgrade, power dns would not bind, and I tried pining the ips, and they were not be activated, but I booted into 3.2.0-4-amd64 and ipv6 works agian |
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| 17:16.48 | CygniX | needs a spell checker |
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| 17:18.05 | ivanshmakov | zxpc8928: You can prevent it either “manually”, by using # apt-get install -- wanted-package nautilus- other-unwanted- (note the trailing ‘-’ signs), or via preferences.d/, once and for ever. |
| 17:18.21 | SynrG | hoxu: w3m? links/links2/elinks? |
| 17:18.33 | SynrG | anything but lynx :p |
| 17:18.49 | hoxu | SynrG, just checking - guess there aren't any new players, I wonder why... |
| 17:18.56 | CygniX | SynrG: basically it seems the first ipv6 on eth0 was picked up, but the rest were not |
| 17:19.03 | zxpc8928 | elinks is nice |
| 17:19.13 | SynrG | CygniX: ...? |
| 17:19.22 | SynrG | s/SynrG/ScottE/ |
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| 17:19.41 | hoxu | ScottE, was the nvidia problem perhaps related to "Unknown symbol acpi_os_wait_events_complete"? :) |
| 17:19.53 | CygniX | SynrG: sorry, yea, meant ScottE |
| 17:20.50 | ivanshmakov | SynrG: Huh? Lynx is my preferred tty browser for, well, a decade now. |
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| 17:21.44 | Trieste | ivanshmakov: "preferred tty browser"? |
| 17:21.50 | zxpc8928 | does lynx support ssl by default? |
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| 17:22.22 | ivanshmakov | zxpc8928: The Debian package surely does. |
| 17:22.36 | ivanshmakov | Trieste: The one that uses /dev/tty (instead of $DISPLAY.) |
| 17:23.39 | ivanshmakov | Trieste: Not to be confused with a console browser; that is, the one that runs on a gaming console. (As in: PlayStation N, Ouya, etc.) |
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| 17:27.12 | verblendet | hi, anyone has similar problems with debian testing and bluefish? .--> /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.40.0/./glib/gmem.c:103: failed to allocate 18446744073688136530 bytes |
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| 17:27.44 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport nvidia-dkms |
| 17:27.45 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in sid/i386. |
| 17:27.49 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:27.50 | judd | Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 17:32.22 | phlux | if 'dpkg-query -l openssl' is showing '1.0.1e-2+deb7u6' am I covered for heartbleed? |
| 17:33.18 | SynrG | openssl isn't the important one. /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
| 17:33.21 | centrx | phlux, Yes, also check the package libssl1.0.0 |
| 17:33.28 | centrx | phlux, That is the right version |
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| 17:33.51 | SynrG | and as for 'covered'. did you restart services after upgrading? (or reboot?) |
| 17:34.00 | phlux | SynrG: I did |
| 17:34.18 | SynrG | so just verify libssl1.0.0 is at the same version |
| 17:34.20 | jelly-home | phlux: did you replace possibly stolen private keys? |
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| 17:35.11 | phlux | Yes, keys and passwords have been replaced |
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| 17:35.25 | phlux | replaced and/or changed :) |
| 17:35.37 | phlux | Looks like my libssl is also deb7u6 |
| 17:35.39 | phlux | Good to know |
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| 17:35.54 | Trieste | ivanshmakov: right, but why would one need a tty browser except for when X fails? |
| 17:35.57 | Trieste | just curious |
| 17:36.06 | petern_ | phlux, you can also check the changelog that comes with the packages. |
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| 17:36.29 | jelly-home | phlux: that's it then |
| 17:36.50 | phlux | thanks all |
| 17:38.54 | hoxu | "Fatal server error: no screens found" :> |
| 17:39.57 | Brigo | hoxu, an old monitor may be? |
| 17:40.18 | hoxu | hmm, "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 17:40.54 | zxpc8928 | to be covered for heartbleed though, the server end also needs to be patched, not just the client |
| 17:41.14 | hoxu | ScottE, I installed using NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.67.run - remember anything special you needed with that? |
| 17:41.23 | petern_ | Ouch |
| 17:41.36 | petern_ | What's wrong with Debian's packaged drivers? |
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| 17:41.40 | Brigo | hoxu, i remember not to use it. |
| 17:42.04 | hoxu | petern_, the part where they don't work with wheezy-backports kernel |
| 17:42.12 | zxpc8928 | jelly-home: how do we replace private keys? |
| 17:42.24 | petern_ | I should tell my kernel that... |
| 17:42.59 | Brigo | petemc, XD |
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| 17:43.03 | hoxu | petern_, you have wheezy 3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 and nvidia from debian? |
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| 17:43.28 | The_Observer | Hi guys, is there any alternative to modconf in wheezy ? |
| 17:43.29 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: generate new keypair, or generate new private key and csr and buy new certificate, or "rekeying" (I'm not sure how that last one works) |
| 17:43.31 | petern_ | 3.13.7-1~bpo70+1 & 319.82-1~bpo70+1, yes. |
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| 17:44.01 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:44.02 | The_Observer | Don´t have to ncurses based, but I need a tool to load modules, which name I currently not knows. |
| 17:44.03 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 331.49-1; sid/non-free: 331.49-1 |
| 17:44.03 | starrats | Brigo are on? |
| 17:44.39 | Brigo | starrats, yes, i just 've arribed |
| 17:44.48 | hoxu | petern_, well, ScottE said earlier nvidia-driver in both wheezy and backports won't work with 3.13, and I got "Unknown symbol acpi_os_wait_events_complete" from it when I tried |
| 17:44.58 | petern_ | Oh right, I remember that too, now. |
| 17:45.06 | petern_ | You just need to comment out that line in the driver. |
| 17:45.07 | JasonWoof | frequently (5x/day or so) my router stops routing my traffic. I can still ping the router, but nothing gets through to the internet. I can get reconnected quickly with another call to "nmcli d wifi connect ...". Can NM be configured to detect this situation and reauth automatically? |
| 17:45.12 | zxpc8928 | jelly-home, i mean how do we generate new private key? |
| 17:45.27 | hoxu | petern_, comment out from... where? |
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| 17:45.38 | starrats | Brigo got great news, on Debian. VBox and weechat as we chat, lol |
| 17:45.45 | petern_ | nv-acpi.c |
| 17:46.21 | Brigo | starrats, weechat into VBox? |
| 17:46.47 | starrats | yes |
| 17:46.48 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: openssl req ... -newkey ... |
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| 17:47.14 | petern_ | zxpc8928, same way you generated the previous private key. |
| 17:47.19 | Brigo | VBox runing windows? |
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| 17:48.02 | starrats | VirtualBox, weechat,Debian xfce Wheezy 7.4 |
| 17:48.10 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: there's dozen places on the internet that describe common openssl commands, eg. http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#cert |
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| 17:48.26 | kittonian | hi all. i had a drive issue and managed to use dd_rescue to create an img of the entire drive without any errors. the issue is that when using fsck the drive came back with a corrupted superblock error. even though I have the img of the drive, it too is coming back with the same error when trying to run fsck on it to ensure it's alright and can mount. not sure how to proceed. |
| 17:49.02 | zxpc8928 | petern_: i did nothing to generate the previous keys. i just installed debian and began using it. whatever was some with ssl was automatic or behind the scenes |
| 17:49.17 | petern_ | zxpc8928, what service used ssl? |
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| 17:50.13 | zxpc8928 | petern_: irc client, web browser, some others. is that what you mean |
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| 17:50.28 | Brigo | kittonian, the hardware of disk are ok? |
| 17:50.49 | petern_ | clients don't tend to use ssl certificates, unless you explicitly set them up to do so |
| 17:50.54 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: oh, then you had a self-signed "snakeoil" key generated at package installation |
| 17:50.58 | jelly-home | ...probably |
| 17:51.41 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: did you actually have any listener services running? web server with https:// ? irc server? |
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| 17:53.29 | kittonian | Brigo: yes, it seems the hardware itself is just fine. i was able to remov the partition and format the drive from scratch. it mounts just fine now |
| 17:53.47 | kittonian | all i need to do is get the img file working properly so I can mount it and recover all the data I need |
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| 17:55.47 | zxpc8928 | jelly-home: when i installed the security updated, it only showed openvpn and npd running at the time |
| 17:56.09 | hoxu | petern_, mind elaborating on the "You just need to comment out that line in the driver." part? |
| 17:56.52 | petern_ | line 306 of nv-acpi.c can just be commented out |
| 17:57.29 | petern_ | At least, I read somewhere on the 'net that it was the correct fix, but I don't know where now :S |
| 17:57.47 | petern_ | It works, anyway. You'll have to tell dkms to uninstall and rebuild the driver, though. |
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| 17:58.00 | hoxu | petern_, so you apt-get sourced the nvidia packages and built custom debs or how did you do that? |
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| 17:59.35 | petern_ | no, using dkms |
| 18:00.01 | jelly-home | zxpc8928: well, that probably means that if you had any certificates to fix, they might be for openvpn and/or npd if those are openssl-enabled |
| 18:00.06 | petern_ | which builds the modules for you from source, but it's all done correctly as it's part of debian. |
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| 18:00.45 | JasonWoof | kittonian: I don't know specifically how to find your partitions, but I've occasionally run across tools that scan disks and try to help you reconstruct a superblock (and/or find the backup one). If you don't get your answer here, do web searches for such tools |
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| 18:02.49 | ivanshmakov | Trieste: Because 90% of Web designers in the current Web have actually no idea of that “design” thing. The choices are thus rather limited: either use a no-CSS, no-JavaScript browser, or use NoScript and Stylish extensions, and fix the CSS yourself. |
| 18:03.31 | ivanshmakov | Trieste: For certain sites, I do the latter. For others, it’s just too much pain for little gain. (That is: when compared to just using Lynx.) |
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| 18:04.08 | kittonian | JasonWoof: i've already run mke2fs -n and got a list of the planned superblocks. the first few are all bad magic number errors, but the last ones I'm getting "attempt to read block from file system resulted in a short-read" error |
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| 18:04.29 | Joel | If I wanted to submit a pull request for apt-key, wtf would the source for it be hiding? |
| 18:04.35 | ivanshmakov | Trieste: Also a comparison: my Emacs (which now has a semi-decent browser, too) routinely handles 1000+ buffers. While my Iceweasel gets swamped with even 100+ open tabs. |
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| 18:05.13 | critter | Hi, whats the difference between different kernels on debian install? |
| 18:05.34 | ivanshmakov | (Though Emacs’ EWW isn’t as nice a Web browser as it could’ve been.) |
| 18:05.44 | doebi | i get an cannot execute binary file on a binary i downloaded, i guess its only for x86, and i am using 64. can i somehow bypass this? |
| 18:06.16 | kittonian | i can't seem to do anything with this img due to the bad superblock, bad magic number errors |
| 18:07.13 | JasonWoof | kittonian: I think there are tools that actually scan the whole disk [image] and look for places that look like the beginning of partitions |
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| 18:09.34 | kittonian | JasonWoof: awesome. i'd love some info on those. i've been reading for two days now and have tried a bunch of different things but nothing is getting me any further |
| 18:09.59 | Brigo | kittonian, testdisk |
| 18:10.27 | floyin | doebi: look into multiarch. |
| 18:10.30 | Brigo | kittonian, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
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| 18:11.17 | kittonian | grabbing testdisk right now |
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| 18:12.25 | Brigo | kittonian, remembe to make a backup before any modifications! :) |
| 18:12.58 | kittonian | i'm working off an img not the actual disk and have already made a copy of the img to work from |
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| 18:13.36 | floyin | !multiarch |
| 18:13.36 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 18:14.49 | kittonian | analysing the img came back with can't find the end of the partition. it's searching for it now |
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| 18:22.49 | kittonian | this isn't working |
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| 18:23.17 | kittonian | testdisk tells me that the structure of the img is ok, but cannot find a partition so I can't determine the superblocks or go any further |
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| 18:25.44 | phy1729 | If ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 is the "right" way to bounce eth0, what's the right way to have /etc/resolv.conf regenerated from /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:26.42 | doebi | FloTiX: do i have to enable it? |
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| 18:30.30 | Brigo | kittonian, did you try deep search ? |
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| 18:31.56 | kittonian | Brigo: reading up on others seeing this issue, one suggested using parted and mklabel msdos and then the rescue command |
| 18:32.12 | kittonian | is msdos really the correct label on an ext3 disk? |
| 18:32.36 | Brigo | kittonian, i think yes, but not sure. |
| 18:32.43 | kittonian | right now there is no recongnised disk label so it would seem i need to do this first |
| 18:33.00 | ZIPY | hey, does someone know how to setup debian to not change the hwclock everytime? i always have to change the clock on windows when i booted debian |
| 18:33.34 | ZIPY | i tried changing /etc/default/rcS by adding the line UTC=no, without success |
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| 18:38.11 | krion | hello |
| 18:38.52 | krion | i've expanded a ext4 tonight (mysql vm) and now, for no reason, the journal block device is using 75% io ressources |
| 18:38.55 | krion | any clue ? |
| 18:39.04 | krion | should i worry about my data ? |
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| 18:40.54 | petern_ | hm, looking at puppet... first thing everything says is (to paraphrase) use this random apt repo :S |
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| 18:43.44 | hatoon | hi |
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| 18:44.23 | hatoon | can someone help me to install the wireless brodcom |
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| 18:45.44 | hatoon | already searched and did not find a tutor that works |
| 18:45.48 | hatoon | somebody ? |
| 18:46.00 | Brigo | hatoon, please paste the output of lspci -nn|grep Wire |
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| 18:47.44 | petern_ | hmm, puppet in wheezy doesn't get along with systemd in wheezy, it seems :( |
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| 18:49.50 | hatoon | Brigo, http://pastebin.com/9hD5nRrC |
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| 18:50.55 | Brigo | hatoon, lspci -nn|grep Wire, please, it should be a only a line and you can paste, then here. |
| 18:51.29 | Brigo | hatoon, mmm, ok there is no output. |
| 18:51.40 | hatoon | line 14 brodcom |
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| 18:51.51 | poeticrpm | can anyone tell me where either a log file that logs acpi events or the package/config responsible for acpi events? I am trying to get suspend working. I know about pm-utils and all that, but I cant bind any command to my fn+f5 key as the kernel immediately grabs it. Problem is, while the wireless key works to toggle my wireless, the standby key only seems to kill my wireless (doesnt go into standby) to where I literally cannot get |
| 18:51.52 | poeticrpm | the device working unless I reboot |
| 18:51.59 | Brigo | i need lspci -nn |
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| 18:52.40 | hatoon | lspc - n | grep Wire, gave no output |
| 18:52.52 | poeticrpm | I know all about ifconfig, etc.. its almost like rfkill on the wireless card- I just need to be able to change this acpi event, or disable and turn it over to the window manager where I can have it execute a script |
| 18:52.59 | hatoon | Brigo, |
| 18:53.18 | Brigo | hatoon, i konow, it is lspci -nn (2 n) and you can do: lspci -nn|grep Broadcom |
| 18:53.32 | Brigo | hatoon, to show only the Broadcom line. |
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| 18:56.02 | hatoon | Brigo, http://pastebin.com/8C65rMAP |
| 18:56.20 | Brigo | hatoon, ok |
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| 18:56.27 | Brigo | ,v pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 18:56.28 | judd | No package named 'pciid' was found in i386. |
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| 18:56.43 | starrats | so Brigo I see you're flooded over here |
| 18:57.20 | Brigo | hatoon, [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'bcma' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
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| 18:57.48 | Brigo | starrats, well, not really but i will go in few time. |
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| 18:58.56 | starrats | I just wanted to let you know that what I had accomplished with Debian and How great it is so far evden on VBox |
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| 18:59.47 | Brigo | starrats, well, may be tomorrow we can talk :) |
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| 18:59.57 | starrats | okay sounds good |
| 19:00.20 | starrats | have a good day/ecening Brigo |
| 19:00.26 | starrats | so Brigo I see you're flooded over herening |
| 19:00.45 | starrats | evening |
| 19:00.53 | Brigo | :) |
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| 19:01.37 | Brigo | hatoon, it looks line it is not supported by wheezy kernel version. |
| 19:02.25 | hatoon | ok |
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| 19:03.40 | hatoon | Brigo, I do not get to install my wireless? |
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| 19:04.21 | Brigo | hatoon, i dont know, there si some package ... :m |
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| 19:06.46 | hatoon | ok, thanks |
| 19:07.13 | Brigo | hatoon, one solution should be install the sid kernel 3.13 using backports. |
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| 19:08.32 | hatoon | ok |
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| 19:09.13 | Brigo | hatoon, we can try another thing : http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_7.0_%28Wheezy%29_on_a_ThinkPad_Edge_E135#BCM43142_models |
| 19:10.09 | Brigo | copy & paste this commands. The first one download a package from ubuntu with the driver. |
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| 19:10.49 | hatoon | ok, thanks |
| 19:10.52 | Brigo | the second one install some dependencies and the last one install the ubuntu package. |
| 19:10.55 | hatoon | bay |
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| 19:11.06 | Brigo | bay |
| 19:11.28 | hatoon | I'll try |
| 19:11.32 | hatoon | bay ok |
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| 19:25.48 | willemb_ | Hi |
| 19:25.55 | willemb_ | a question around the spamassassin package.. |
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| 19:26.22 | willemb_ | /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin does a sa-compile if /var/lib/spamassassin/compiled exists |
| 19:26.47 | willemb_ | what would have created it? |
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| 19:29.59 | catpiggest | hi, what's the meta package for a minimal KDE called in wheezy? |
| 19:30.22 | catpiggest | i found the wiki page and that says kde-core but i don't seem to be able to find that, nor anything else that seems to match what i want |
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| 19:30.44 | somiaj | willemb_: if installing the debian package would have created it, it would have been done with the postinst script. I am unsure if that is the case though, but you could look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
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| 19:39.19 | shierve | Hey people, I have a 30G partition with debian installed, and it's getting full pretty quickly, how do I merge this partition with an empty one to get more memory without deleting anything? |
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| 19:39.57 | ivanshmakov | shierve: Do you use LVM? |
| 19:40.07 | shierve | what is LVM? |
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| 19:40.30 | ivanshmakov | shierve: In the nutshell, LVM is a “resizable” partition table. |
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| 19:40.49 | shierve | I think I don't have it |
| 19:41.00 | shierve | can I download it from apt-get? |
| 19:41.29 | ivanshmakov | shierve: Surely, but I know of no way to upgrade a non-LVM HDD to a LVM-enabled one. |
| 19:41.55 | shierve | so, is there anyway to do that without lvm? |
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| 19:43.40 | ivanshmakov | shierve: It’s certainly possible to move split directory (the candidates include /home, /var, or /var/cache) off to another filesystem. |
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| 19:44.18 | shierve | ok, i'll check that out, thanks ivanshmakov |
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| 19:45.25 | bobi1024 | gparted |
| 19:45.51 | bobi1024 | shierve: have you tried gparted ? |
| 19:45.53 | catpiggest | shierve, you can also resize existing "real" partitions (by "real" i mean "not using LVM") |
| 19:46.12 | ivanshmakov | shierve: If your free filesystem is next to your used one, you can try deleting the free one and extending the used one over it. |
| 19:46.20 | ivanshmakov | catpiggest: Only if adjacent. |
| 19:46.42 | ivanshmakov | (… adjacent to some free space, that is.) |
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| 19:46.57 | catpiggest | ivanshmakov, cant gparted move partitions? in any case, worst case, one can manually move the partitions that are in the way by extend+shrink on each one |
| 19:47.17 | catpiggest | oh wait i can check can't i |
| 19:47.37 | willemb_ | somiaj: you just negated about an hours work for me, plus saved me from doing lots more. I thank you for pointing out the obvious |
| 19:47.46 | ivanshmakov | catpiggest: If the partitions are like [100 GB /foo] [100 GB /bar] [100 GB free space], then extending /foo means that you move some 100 GB of /bar onto the free space first. |
| 19:47.48 | catpiggest | shierve, if necessary gparted can also move partitions |
| 19:48.13 | willemb_ | the answer, incidentally, is that the postinstall does a compile, which creates the directory. the daily cron just checks if that directory exists |
| 19:48.13 | ivanshmakov | catpiggest: With LVM, you can easily have [First 100 GB of /foo] [100 GB /bar] [Last 100 GB of /foo]. |
| 19:48.19 | catpiggest | shierve, so that you have the free space next to the partition that you want to grow |
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| 19:48.24 | catpiggest | ivanshmakov, i know, but he doesnt have LVM |
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| 19:48.33 | catpiggest | probably |
| 19:48.37 | ivanshmakov | catpiggest: Yes. |
| 19:48.53 | catpiggest | we should probably make sure.. |
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| 19:49.41 | willemb_ | actually, that is still wrong |
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| 19:49.51 | catpiggest | shierve, run "lvdisplay" from a shell. that'll tell you if you use LVM |
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| 19:50.02 | willemb_ | postinstall does a sa-update, but also only does a compile if there is a compiled directory |
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| 19:56.24 | somiaj | willemb_: if it is a directory, you can try dpkg -S /path/to/directory see if any package owns that directory |
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| 20:23.50 | vsoftoiletpaper | are packages for sid rolling? |
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| 20:24.31 | vsoftoiletpaper | ahahaha |
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| 20:26.02 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper: basically though I like the language 'moving target' (/msg dpkg moving target). Since sid/testing are not really releases |
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| 20:28.15 | vsoftoiletpaper | somiaj https://github.com/brandt/symlinks/releases/tag/v1.4.3 was released today, when will the sid package be updated? https://github.com/brandt/symlinks/releases/tag/v1.4.3 |
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| 20:28.35 | vsoftoiletpaper | https://packages.debian.org/sid/symlinks |
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| 20:28.49 | mtn | vsoftoiletpaper: when it is ready |
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| 20:29.25 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper: when the matainer gets around to it. No clue, different packages get updated at different speeds depending on matainer. There are ways to compile your own source code if you want it sooner. could try /msg dpkg uupdate or even use stow to manage /usr/local/ installs |
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| 20:30.09 | vsoftoiletpaper | I was just wondering what was the process |
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| 20:32.38 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper: basically the matianer makes a new package, once he is happy with it he uploades it to sid, sometimes a matainer has to go though a sponsor to get them to upload it |
| 20:33.06 | vsoftoiletpaper | money sponsor? |
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| 20:35.01 | tremon | no, upload sponsor. Most often used for new maintainers that do not have upload privileges yet |
| 20:35.13 | somiaj | vsoftoiletpaper: no, someone who has privlages to upload packages. Not all matainers have upload privileges |
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| 20:55.34 | centrx | N34lO, They are for testing the installer |
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| 22:25.45 | churnd | ok dumb question i'm sure but my fresh debian openvz container install doesn't contain the default keychains in /etc/ssl/cert |
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| 22:26.41 | churnd | openssl package is installed |
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| 22:28.19 | churnd | ah, ca-certificates |
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| 22:33.04 | hikenboot | how do i compair files and folders and folders and files in that folder with another directory...looking for differences in permissions only |
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| 22:33.27 | hikenboot | I cant figure out the switches with diff that would just compair directory and file permissions |
| 22:33.52 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: there aren't any. Use find (or ls) to output the permissions, and then use diff on that |
| 22:34.08 | hikenboot | ok thanks dondelelcaro for the pointer |
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| 22:35.34 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: something like diff -u <(find dir1 -printf '%m %u %g %p\n') <(find dir2 -printf '%m %u %g %p\n') |
| 22:35.40 | dondelelcaro | or similar |
| 22:35.48 | hikenboot | wow thanks for that info! |
| 22:35.56 | dondelelcaro | err, probably %P instead of %p |
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| 22:36.12 | dondelelcaro | but you'll figure that out |
| 22:36.42 | peterrooney | hikenboot: parsing `ls' is not often advised. |
| 22:36.54 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: is there anything find can't do? |
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| 22:55.43 | kingsley | Do you happen to know where to find a nice easy explanation of how to configure mutt to use gpg? |
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| 22:57.32 | viccuad | kingsley: I would know to read that too |
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| 22:59.03 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: apt-get install mutt; the rest is taken care of for you by default |
| 22:59.21 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: you can see it in /etc/Muttrc.d/gpg.rc |
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| 23:02.06 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: about the only other thing you might want to change is pgp_sign_as and probably enable pgp_use_gpg_agent. |
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| 23:02.40 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: isn't mustt included by default in wheezy? |
| 23:03.56 | dondelelcaro | zykotick9: no |
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| 23:04.29 | hikenboot | guys, thanks for the help that was great I changed it around just a little so now I have a text file with each line says chmod 640 director/path/to/some/file as an example I would like to actually execute each line of text as a command how do I get it to take the each line and instead of just printing text, executing it? |
| 23:04.32 | dondelelcaro | it happens to be priority standard, so it's probably on most systems |
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| 23:06.58 | CarlosAlex | please, just one question |
| 23:07.08 | CarlosAlex | how to define a partition to swap using command line |
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| 23:07.25 | CarlosAlex | I deleted using disk utility, but it in fstab |
| 23:07.40 | CarlosAlex | but I don't know if is need something else |
| 23:08.30 | CarlosAlex | I created a partition using disk utility, formated as swap |
| 23:08.39 | CarlosAlex | what else should I do ? |
| 23:08.57 | frostschutz | if swapon works, you could add an fstab entry I guess |
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| 23:10.55 | hikenboot | never mind figured it out...make it a #/bin/bash! |
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| 23:21.21 | b0t | hello, how to run a process on user? |
| 23:21.26 | b0t | im newbie |
| 23:21.46 | b0t | I only do it as root |
| 23:22.08 | abrotman | how do you login now? |
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| 23:23.39 | b0t | root |
| 23:23.45 | b0t | and pass |
| 23:23.46 | abrotman | why not as a regular user? |
| 23:23.50 | b0t | no |
| 23:23.57 | b0t | my vps is new |
| 23:24.16 | b0t | I have been told by security that I should not run anything as root |
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| 23:24.26 | b0t | is true? |
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| 23:27.43 | dondelelcaro | b0t: sort of. You shouldn't be running things as root which do not have to be run as root. |
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| 23:28.22 | b0t | I did not run as a user, tell me how I add a new user |
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| 23:30.12 | somiaj | b0t: adduser username |
| 23:31.14 | b0t | ok |
| 23:31.18 | b0t | room number? |
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| 23:31.49 | mtn | 42 |
| 23:31.51 | somiaj | besides for the password it is optional info you can use to identify the user |
| 23:32.00 | b0t | ah ok |
| 23:32.19 | b0t | finish |
| 23:32.26 | b0t | how to change root for user now? |
| 23:32.33 | b0t | i add my new user |
| 23:33.01 | somiaj | b0t: you could relog in via ssh as the new user, or just 'su - username' and now you are the new user |
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| 23:33.19 | somiaj | if you do that command as root, you won't be asked for a password because root is that powerful |
| 23:33.19 | b0t | root@server:~# su jack |
| 23:33.20 | b0t | jack@server:/root$ |
| 23:33.21 | b0t | nice |
| 23:33.24 | b0t | thanks bro |
| 23:33.35 | somiaj | put the dash in there so you get a full login |
| 23:33.53 | somiaj | 'su jack' and 'su - jack' do two different things |
| 23:34.08 | Neldogz | On attempting to dual boot debian and Windows 8.1.. the Debian installer is failing to see the Windows partitions. If selecting the use all free space option during the automatic partitioning Debian thinks the entire disk is free. |
| 23:34.09 | somiaj | (similar but different) |
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| 23:34.50 | Neldogz | I have tested and GParted can see the partitions. What am i doing wrong? |
| 23:34.57 | b0t | jack@server:~$ |
| 23:35.24 | b0t | thanks |
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| 23:35.45 | abrotman | wait, an ircap that doesn't spam?! |
| 23:36.19 | sylvesterTheCat | Neldogz, is your PC using UEFI or legacy BIOS? |
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| 23:37.14 | Neldogz | sylvesterTheCat: I disabled UEFI and SecureBoot.. I then enabled Legacy Bios |
| 23:37.51 | Neldogz | Afterwards I successfully installed Windows 8.1 and left 100GB partition completely free for Debian |
| 23:38.34 | Neldogz | I have tried both Sabayon and Debian Linux, but neither can see the partition information. Fedora can see it and so can GParted if that helps |
| 23:39.09 | Neldogz | Also I am using AHCI mode vs IDE |
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| 23:40.27 | sylvesterTheCat | Neldogz, is Grub2 detecting Windows system (e.g. when update-grub)? |
| 23:41.50 | mtn | Neldogz: what about manual partitioning in the installer? |
| 23:42.36 | Neldogz | sylvesterTheCat: Negative |
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| 23:42.53 | Neldogz | mtn: Manual partitioning also does not detect the partitions |
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| 23:43.43 | mtn | Neldogz: very strange |
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| 23:45.04 | Neldogz | I really wanted to install Debian |
| 23:46.14 | Neldogz | I wonder if i can install debian first then Windows |
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| 23:46.37 | dont-panic | Neldogz: better to do itthe other way around |
| 23:46.59 | mtn | Neldogz: reformat your free space (ext4) using gparted and I bet the installer will be happy then. |
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| 23:47.13 | Neldogz | dont-panic: agreed |
| 23:47.13 | dont-panic | You can, but you'll have to reboot from a live cd possibly chroot into the debian install and re-run the grub installer or whatever |
| 23:47.19 | Neldogz | mtn: thats a good idea |
| 23:47.37 | apostle2 | I have an 8800 GT and I can't get a higher resolution the 640 by 480 |
| 23:47.49 | dont-panic | also window's likes to be a dick about linux partitions |
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| 23:48.48 | dont-panic | http://pasteboard.co/2MjoRNAI.png <-- that's my debian install |
| 23:49.08 | Neldogz | Im going to format the free space with ext4 like mtn suggested and try again |
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