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| 00:15.21 | acu | does anyone know a slick way to backup (snapshot) qemu-kvm qcow2 virtual machines running debian wheezy as host and debian wheezy as guest ? |
| 00:15.32 | acu | with qemu-kvm and libvirt |
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| 00:22.23 | kmyst | i've got a strange problem: i'm trying to boot clients over nfs and while dhcp works for pxe getting a dynamic ip gives no response after x seconds with a kernel panic in the end...if i specify a static address it works fine |
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| 00:29.33 | Hippie_ | if i ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub root@mysite |
| 00:29.41 | Hippie_ | then I need to ssh on as root, I want to copy the key over for user 'user' |
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| 00:32.49 | SynrG | Hippie_: and? |
| 00:33.27 | Hippie_ | when I ssh onto my server I don't want to specify the ie. ssh user@server |
| 00:33.35 | Hippie_ | i want to go ssh server |
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| 00:34.19 | SynrG | fix that in .ssh/config |
| 00:34.36 | Hippie_ | locally or server? |
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| 00:35.27 | SynrG | Each client system |
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| 00:35.46 | SynrG | Create a Host stanza |
| 00:35.56 | SynrG | Set User in it |
| 00:37.17 | SynrG | See the ssh_config man page for details |
| 00:38.00 | Ambrush | #r/leagueoflegends |
| 00:38.15 | Ambrush | whoops wc |
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| 00:38.28 | Hippie_ | that SynrG, will see if I can do this |
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| 00:43.53 | da3m0n22 | hi, cannot find IPMI_SMB module in 3.2.0-4-amd64 via stable 7.4 repositories, hints anyone? |
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| 00:48.29 | SynrG | da3m0n22: ancient |
| 00:48.55 | SynrG | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/freeipmi-users/2011-02/msg00008.html |
| 00:48.58 | da3m0n22 | SynrG: i2c ipmi is not part of kernel anymore? |
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| 00:49.44 | SynrG | "… unfortunately only until > kernel version 2.6.35 - 2.6.36 and later don't seem to have it)" |
| 00:51.23 | SynrG | Guess you need to talk to them and see if it is replaced by something else or just dropped |
| 00:52.07 | da3m0n22 | gah, bad news then, thanks SynrG |
| 00:52.24 | da3m0n22 | maybe they have standalone distribution, apart from kernel drivers, bad model, but better than nothing |
| 00:53.32 | SynrG | Could be. |
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| 01:00.56 | poorrick | I just upgraded Jessie from January and now Compiz comes up completely black with a mouse and none of the apps in xinitrc up. Any ideas folks? |
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| 01:05.59 | SynrG | Compiz is no more. Not even in wheezy … |
| 01:06.12 | SynrG | How did you even have it? |
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| 01:06.46 | SynrG | ,v compiz |
| 01:06.47 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4 |
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| 01:09.30 | poorrick | well hell |
| 01:09.52 | poorrick | I must have had it left over from when I was running squeeze |
| 01:10.29 | poorrick | Don't know how, but bluh |
| 01:10.54 | SynrG | Dead upstream |
| 01:11.20 | poorrick | Ok, then how do I run mupen64plus on fluxbox without the thing going freaky colored and unresponsive on me? That's all I need to do now |
| 01:11.39 | SynrG | Dunno |
| 01:11.58 | poorrick | probably a bit to specific |
| 01:12.06 | arrith | that is interesting, hm, some compiz stuff is in sid |
| 01:12.26 | arrith | poorrick: probably more a question for the mupen64plus or fluxbox people |
| 01:12.33 | poorrick | probably |
| 01:14.08 | poorrick | Well can anyone recommend a nice compositing wm in the meantime? |
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| 01:14.36 | paule22 | hello |
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| 01:15.22 | SynrG | i use lxde + xcompmgr |
| 01:15.32 | paule22 | how can do a distri update from squeeze to wheezy? without lossing data or reinstall - also at work |
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| 01:16.09 | SynrG | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:16.12 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
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| 01:19.03 | poorrick | SynrG: Thanks, I guess I'll try that out for a while |
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| 01:20.41 | SynrG | poorrick: very minimal. But supports all i need |
| 01:21.02 | poorrick | Yeah, I ran compiz standalone for so long because it was nice and minimal |
| 01:21.39 | poorrick | With lots of intuitive customization interface to play around with on the side. Guess I'll be graduating past that |
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| 01:24.13 | pawn | How can I view my memory usage? |
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| 01:27.13 | Strife89 | Evening, folks. |
| 01:28.38 | LtL | pawn: quick way, 'uptime' - detailed way, 'top' or 'htop' in a shell or console. |
| 01:28.56 | Strife89 | This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway: I have a HDD with an old Debian Squeeze installation on it. It's a single partition, and my /home is there. I want to clean up and remove all of the Debian data, leaving only my home directory. |
| 01:29.29 | Strife89 | I assume this is the case, but is it safe to just rm -r each directory in / until /home is all that's left? |
| 01:29.56 | paule22 | how about swapping memory? can i add 16 gb swap memory to usb disk? in context of healthing and speed |
| 01:30.04 | Strife89 | Or are there some pitfalls (symlinks?) to watch out for? |
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| 01:36.05 | floyin | Why did compiz die? |
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| 01:37.34 | poorrick | Ok back. Any ideas about assertion retval failed? |
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| 02:00.12 | PryMar56 | bug report for xen.efi bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675364 |
| 02:00.38 | PryMar56 | seems unresolved. Built xen today and xen.efi still fails |
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| 02:27.12 | ^v | i am trying to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon, but when it goes to uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nvidia it says "subprocess installed post removal script returned error exit status 20" |
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| 02:37.31 | ^v | well then, i edited the postrm scripts Dx |
| 02:37.38 | poeticrpm | ^v: what happens if you try to manually remove it? |
| 02:37.44 | poeticrpm | like using dpkg |
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| 02:38.24 | ^v | poeticrpm, literally just restarted |
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| 02:43.15 | mad_hatter | any reason why an internet connection would only be allowing you to view websites using https |
| 02:43.18 | mad_hatter | ? |
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| 02:43.53 | sillyWombat | Port 80 is blocked but not 443? |
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| 02:50.45 | centrx | mad_hatter, For security? |
| 02:51.07 | paule22 | where can i found the system monitor under debian? |
| 02:51.30 | paule22 | found = find |
| 02:52.02 | sillyWombat | What would you like to monitor, paule22? |
| 02:52.12 | paule22 | pae |
| 02:52.15 | sillyWombat | You can use htop for general information like memory and processor usage. |
| 02:52.25 | sillyWombat | pae? |
| 02:52.51 | paule22 | how is it possible to supprt 4 gb ram on 32 bit sytem - PAE ? |
| 02:53.13 | paule22 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE |
| 02:53.40 | somiaj | yes there are -pae kernels in debian that will support more than 4gigs on a 32bit system |
| 02:54.32 | paule22 | is this software based or do i have real hardware? |
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| 03:05.28 | mad_hatter | sillywombat |
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| 03:05.33 | mad_hatter | i dont see anywhere in the router config |
| 03:05.36 | mad_hatter | that blogs port 80 |
| 03:06.22 | sillyWombat | mad_hatter: Ah, it was just a guess. |
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| 03:07.06 | wall0 | Greetings. I am trying to run Xen but it is booting to busybox. I am using Debian. Should Xen has an initrd file in /boot? |
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| 03:09.03 | beardy | wall0..well fine. FTR Xen wants the kernel and initrd externally, outside of the filesystem. |
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| 03:12.02 | d0liver | Is there any kind of rating system available for apt-get packages (could be a website, etc.)? Sometimes I feel a little bit in the dark when deciding on package alternatives on debian. |
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| 03:14.34 | centrx | !popcon |
| 03:14.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 03:15.10 | centrx | d0liver, Popcon is a measure of how many people use a given package in comparison to other packages |
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| 03:15.33 | d0liver | centrx, Now that you mention that, I remember debian asking me if it could send reports about that. Thanks. |
| 03:15.44 | centrx | d0liver, You can also look at package Section and package Priority. |
| 03:15.56 | d0liver | mmk |
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| 03:29.26 | mad_hatter | is there a way to use a paste site from the command line? |
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| 03:30.04 | nell | hey |
| 03:30.13 | nell | for desktop systems |
| 03:30.22 | nell | does it make sense to separate /usr /var and /tmp? |
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| 03:32.26 | somiaj | nell: I would only suggest having a seperate home so your user data is on its own partition |
| 03:32.34 | somiaj | nell: but the design is up to your tastes. (: |
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| 03:50.18 | Arrowmaster | mad_hatter: package called pastebinit |
| 03:50.29 | Tekk_ | Is there somewhere that holds old install isos? |
| 03:50.33 | Tekk_ | lenny/squeeze |
| 03:50.45 | Tekk_ | I didn't see anything like that on cdimage.debian.org |
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| 03:51.23 | Tekk_ | I have a piece of software which won't run on a contemporary debian, thinking I'll run it in a vm |
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| 03:53.02 | Arrowmaster | Tekk_: if you cant find an iso for download you should be able to get one using jidgo |
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| 04:00.59 | centrx | Tekk_, https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 04:24.53 | xar- | what's the dpkg command to show currently installed package and available branches to move that package to? |
| 04:26.14 | Rusty1 | maybe apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:26.31 | xar- | Rusty1: NAILED IT! |
| 04:26.34 | xar- | THANK YOU! :) |
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| 04:46.46 | jarray521 | Does anyone here have an opinion about what works better on Debian hosts? VirtualBox or VMWare Player? |
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| 04:47.27 | jarray521 | I tried Vbox but it seems to keep seg faulting on me. |
| 04:47.33 | wols | jarray521: kvm/qemu. that said, virtualbox is at least in the repos. but there always is the factoid: |
| 04:47.35 | wols | !best |
| 04:47.35 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:48.25 | wols | which part segfaults when? |
| 04:48.44 | jarray521 | wols: For use on a workstation. |
| 04:49.22 | jarray521 | wols: I want graphics capability and the speech recognition capability. A seemless mode that works with multiple monitors would also be nice. |
| 04:49.53 | wols | what kind of graphics capability? for what API? |
| 04:49.58 | jarray521 | wols: By best, I mean bug free... I want something that doesn't crash. |
| 04:50.06 | wols | and what speech recognition. |
| 04:50.13 | wols | about crashing: see question above |
| 04:50.16 | jarray521 | wols: Just the Windows speech recognition. |
| 04:51.08 | jarray521 | wols: Graphics for desktop usage. A functional Aero would be nice but not essential. |
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| 04:52.04 | jarray521 | wols: As for the crash, it takes down the host OS as well. Pretty hard crash. So, it is hard to get diagnostics, but I get the following line in log files |
| 04:53.44 | jarray521 | VirtualBox[6636]: segfault at 5810c398 ip 00007fdd7922be38 sp 00007ffff722f970 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0 |
| 04:55.52 | jarray521 | wols: How fast is kvm/qemu for Windows 8.1 virtualization? |
| 04:57.18 | jarray521 | The libX11 in this situation may have been from Cygwin, but it crashes without Cygwin running as well. |
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| 04:58.45 | hoxu | can someone clarify how btrfs should be configured to enable separate snapshots for / and /home? It seems debian installer mounts btrfs with no subvol options, whereas I think ubuntu installer created a separate @ and @home subvolumes and mounted those with subvol options |
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| 05:02.04 | acu | I am trying to aptitude update a system and cannot - I get a long bunch of messages - like insserv: Starting bluetoothdaemon depends on single and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 05:02.08 | DrFoo | does the little red exclamation point at the bottom right of my screen mean update or error? |
| 05:02.12 | codepython777 | is there a way to checkpoint backup a debian box, so that i can restore it on the same hardware later? |
| 05:02.48 | acu | codepython777, yes use dd |
| 05:02.51 | acu | !dd |
| 05:02.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 05:03.37 | acu | the utility will mirror low level your machine to a file (or disk) |
| 05:03.43 | codepython777 | acu: Thanks. But I want to do this while the machine is running (ie reading/writing to disk). If I do dd - the disk i get is not going to be in a consistent state? |
| 05:04.19 | acu | if machine is running, yes, is not guaranteed, but I did it and it works |
| 05:04.45 | codepython777 | acu: isnt there a checkpointing soution, that stops disk read writes for a minimal amount of time, while creating a backup iso? |
| 05:04.51 | acu | however, for live system - you may need to do it as virtualization - virtual machine there are few tools to do a live clone |
| 05:05.23 | acu | it maybe, I do not know except if it is a virtual machine |
| 05:06.46 | acu | btrfs may have also some snapshot options - but I just gave up on btrfs, you really need to know before using btrfs, it has ton of features, but you get in deep trouble if you do not set it up properly (not to mention that you need latest kernel) |
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| 05:07.09 | acu | there is also some xfs dump - but did not use it, and I do not know if it can be done live |
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| 05:07.39 | acu | codepython777, you want the whole machine, or a drive only ? |
| 05:07.58 | acu | for that you can use lvm |
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| 05:20.47 | CygniX | .v postfix-cluebringer |
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| 05:21.04 | CygniX | what is the command to check version again? |
| 05:21.13 | somiaj | CygniX: /msg judd v postfix-cluebringer |
| 05:22.01 | CygniX | thanks |
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| 05:23.21 | CygniX | I wonder which version Jessie has |
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| 05:40.30 | sandman13 | whenever I mention that I use Debian Wheezy why do people suggest me to switch to Jessie? |
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| 05:43.27 | hoxu | sandman13, because they made the mistake and want you to share the pain |
| 05:44.44 | sandman13 | hoxu: switching to Jessie is a mistake? I have heard that Debian Testing = other normal distros |
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| 05:49.58 | somiaj | !tell sandman13 about sns |
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| 05:51.14 | somiaj | sandman13: if what you have works find in wheezy plus maybe some backports not much need to change. Issues come if there is some new feature you need or want, but to get it you have a lot less stability and security and may have to fix thigns that break along the way |
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| 05:51.56 | sandman13 | somiaj: okay backports remind me of KDE, I have 4.8 what if I want 4.10? what do i have to do? |
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| 05:56.00 | somiaj | big projects like kde will take a lot of work to backport. In order to run the newer software on a debian sysstem you have to be on a system that is updating and changing and expect thigns to break. |
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| 05:56.58 | spyder | how to get hibernate option back? |
| 05:57.52 | somiaj | I personally run sid, and over time my machine hits a bug I need to fix. That is the scarifice I take on my play desktop. On my work machine the slightly older versions do everything I need them to. |
| 05:57.59 | somiaj | sandman13: ^^ |
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| 05:59.31 | sandman13 | somiaj: this is my work machine so better not to upgrade to testing or sid |
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| 06:01.39 | somiaj | sandman13: that would be my suggestion. (: |
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| 06:03.16 | sandman13 | somiaj: how severe are bugs in sid? can they format the hard drive or make you lose your data? |
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| 06:21.00 | somiaj | sandman13: I have never expereienced that in the about 10 years I have ran sid. I have had my system become unbootable or xorg not load many times though. |
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| 06:47.35 | nell | i just installed debian minimal |
| 06:47.39 | nell | without network |
| 06:47.48 | nell | i didnt have chance to install ssh / mail server etc |
| 06:47.53 | nell | how do I get to that post installation |
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| 06:53.37 | nell | hmm |
| 06:53.39 | nell | ethernet doesnt work |
| 06:53.52 | jRea | save |
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| 06:58.06 | arrith | nell: you can use tasksel |
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| 07:06.09 | nell | any installer scripts |
| 07:06.13 | nell | this is so minimal |
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| 07:06.28 | nell | I need to secure this box, harden the OS |
| 07:06.40 | nell | and create a strong baseline |
| 07:06.46 | nell | is there a method to this |
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| 07:07.42 | redShadow | hi guys! ..what would you suggest to monitor network traffic, on a (debian) router node? |
| 07:07.46 | phy1729 | nell: like https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en ? |
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| 07:08.00 | redShadow | for "monitoring" I mean something like counting IN/OUT packets per hosts / ports |
| 07:08.49 | redShadow | to have an idea of where the traffic is coming from and where is going, but w/o dumping every single packet, wich would slow down everything and quite likely consume huge amounts of disk space |
| 07:09.11 | redShadow | I guess this could probably be done w/ some tcpdump trick..? |
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| 07:14.38 | sandman13 | is it good idea to download Firefox instead of Iceweasel on Debian 7 |
| 07:14.44 | sandman13 | Wheezy |
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| 07:16.11 | phy1729 | sandman13: take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 07:18.03 | rtur | Why is the orig.tar.gz file needed when creating a package ? It feels like the only use for it is to give me an error message that the pkg director differs from it's orig archive.. |
| 07:18.25 | sandman13 | phy1729: i have iceweasel version 24 what if i try to upgrade it? is there a way or i have to wait until jessie? |
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| 07:32.06 | smash^ | [....] Starting MySQL database server: mysqldcp: cannot stat `/lib/libnss_compat.so.2': No such file or directory < what lib do i need? |
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| 07:37.51 | OpenTokix | smash^: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libnss_compat.so.2&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 08:03.24 | b0bi | Hi |
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| 08:04.24 | b0bi | I have a problem: http://pastebin.com/Mj0ULspq |
| 08:04.55 | b0bi | I accidently perform "apt-get update" and "apt-get install python-dev" without specifying --no-upgrades |
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| 08:06.19 | b0bi | performed* , it upgraded my python to 2.7 which i did not want, and i have no more space on that machine, i can't complete the installation using apt-get install -f, how can I rollback that python-dev of python2.7? |
| 08:06.52 | b0bi | I run debian lenny on an armel cpu. |
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| 08:07.48 | jelly | b0bi: remove the package with dpkg and then retry apt-get -f install |
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| 08:09.10 | jelly | b0bi: are you mixing releases? There was no 2.7 in lenny |
| 08:09.29 | b0bi | My sources file has only lenny specified |
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| 08:10.28 | themill | b0bi: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy python libc6 dpkg python-dev" |
| 08:10.48 | b0bi | yes, one sec. |
| 08:10.48 | jelly | b0bi: can you show your sources.list, output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 python2.7 python2.7-minimal" NINJAD |
| 08:11.04 | jelly | needs coffee |
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| 08:15.18 | b0bi | themill, jelly: http://pastebin.com/jN6H84jN |
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| 08:15.59 | themill | b0bi: so your sources.list might only have "lenny" in it now, but you've clearly got it set up to include "stable" and have done so |
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| 08:16.29 | b0bi | themill: that could be true, i'm not the only one maintaining this machine. |
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| 08:16.45 | b0bi | how can I get rid of this mess? |
| 08:16.48 | themill | you've ended up with libc6 and python2.7 packages from wheezy installed on that machine |
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| 08:17.39 | themill | dpkg: tell b0bi about not available |
| 08:18.03 | themill | the output of that command will show us the full horror of the situation |
| 08:18.33 | b0bi | ok, it looks bad, pasting... |
| 08:19.09 | Jobbe | hmm, using jessie with xfce, networking seems to get disabled after hibernate/standby - anyone got a clue where to start? |
| 08:19.11 | b0bi | http://pastebin.com/MmAaiKrN |
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| 08:19.31 | b0bi | themill, the horror is in the paste above |
| 08:19.56 | k^ | hey, could somebody help me setting up mysql in a chrooted environment? im kinda stuck, since i do not find anything for the latest mysql version :-/ everything i find on google it horrible old |
| 08:20.05 | b0bi | someone here tried to install gcc4.7 on this machine, seems he is the one who messed it |
| 08:20.25 | themill | b0bi: well... it could be worse. Perhaps you'd like to upgrade that machine to squeeze and then wheezy... |
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| 08:20.58 | b0bi | themill: the odds that this machine will succesfully upgarde are zero |
| 08:21.58 | b0bi | can i loop with dpkg -r on all of them and hope it will be ok? |
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| 08:23.34 | themill | no |
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| 08:23.56 | b0bi | any other way besides upgrade? |
| 08:24.27 | spyder | how to get hibernate option back ? |
| 08:24.45 | petern_ | Wait for winter. |
| 08:24.49 | Jobbe | lol |
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| 08:25.02 | themill | dpkg: tell b0bi about partial downgrade |
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| 08:25.28 | themill | b0bi: I'm yet to ever see someone pull off a partial downgrade that crosses the multiarch path changes |
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| 08:26.09 | b0bi | sounds like i'm in a deep shit |
| 08:26.12 | sillyWombat | That sounds like something they'd say on Star Trek. |
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| 08:26.51 | b0bi | is there a way for now to install python2.5-dev without fixing the dependencies? |
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| 08:29.00 | b0bi | themill? :) |
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| 08:29.13 | jwwww | Hello. |
| 08:30.27 | jwwww | netstat -nlpt show '-' as program name/pid for port 49878 , how can I find which process use this ? |
| 08:30.43 | themill | b0bi: apt will insist that you fix any broken dependencies |
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| 08:32.39 | jelly | jwwww: for starters, run netstat as root |
| 08:33.41 | jwwww | jelly: that what I did , see the output : tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:49878 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 08:36.27 | jelly | jwwww: |
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| 08:37.19 | jelly | jwwww: sorry. Some of those (but not necessarily all) may be SUN RPC registered, see if output of "rpcinfo -p localhost" shows any of those ports |
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| 08:37.32 | jwwww | jelly: ok. |
| 08:37.59 | jwwww | jelly: no it doesn't ( note that I shutted down the service earlier today ) |
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| 08:38.23 | jelly | jwwww: what service? |
| 08:38.38 | jwwww | jelly: I think this server has been hacked in some way. I found suspicious files , and that port is too suspect. |
| 08:38.47 | jwwww | jelly: rpcbind . |
| 08:39.48 | rtur | Do you know about a fullscreen time command in bash ? I just typed something, no idea what, and the current time was displayed inside my terminal (fullscreen). It was inside tmux, but I don't see anything about it in the man page. |
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| 08:40.32 | jelly | jwwww: I think there are other legitimate circumstances where netstat can't find a userspace process responsible for a socket, but I don't know exactly what they might be |
| 08:41.05 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Persmissions? As in: running Netstat from a (non-root) user /other/ than the one the network process runs under. |
| 08:41.24 | jelly | ivanshmakov: it's running as root. |
| 08:42.25 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Is it possible that netstat(8) itself is replaced? Try, say: $ ldd "$(which netstat)". |
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| 08:42.54 | ivanshmakov | (Usually, rootkits supply statically-built binaries.) |
| 08:43.02 | ivanshmakov | s/built/linked/ |
| 08:43.45 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: that one is dynamically linked. |
| 08:44.06 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: I checked for rootkit with chkrootkit and rkhunter. I found none btw. |
| 08:44.28 | jelly | ivanshmakov: in that case nothing can be trusted, including any and all output |
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| 08:45.08 | jelly | I wouldn't assume malice just yet |
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| 08:46.01 | woffs | rtur: ^B t is the tmux time builtin |
| 08:46.07 | jelly | sudo netstat -nlpt|grep -- '- *$' shows unexplained crap even on my workstation |
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| 08:48.37 | jwwww | up to now the only solution I found it to deny the port in the firewall. |
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| 08:48.49 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Let’s try to examine /proc directly. Could you please $ grep -F -- C2D6 /proc/net/tcp? |
| 08:48.53 | rtur | woffs: It works, now I just need to find an usecase for that xD. |
| 08:49.11 | jwwww | but I do think it's a security issue, opening a TCP port that allow anybody to connect is not something usual. |
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| 08:50.28 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: it's me who got the shell. I did the grep, but it returned no output. |
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| 08:51.48 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: Does $ netstat -nlpn still list the 0.0.0.0:49878 socket? |
| 08:51.57 | spyder | how to get hibernate option? |
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| 08:52.42 | jelly | jwwww: just for fun, do you get anything in any logs after doing telnet localhost 49878, and typing some crap in? |
| 08:52.55 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Generally, yes, no output can be trusted. But those who break into systems do their own mistakes. |
| 08:53.01 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: yes it does. |
| 08:53.38 | jwwww | jelly : no I disconect me after 1 line of crap. |
| 08:53.54 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: $ ls -lt -- /var/log/ for any recent changes, then. |
| 08:54.22 | jelly | jwwww: I got Apr 18 10:51:28 burek kernel: [1877994.996109] RPC: fragment too large: 1280265295 from mine, so it was RPC related even if not listed with rpcinfo |
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| 08:54.54 | ivanshmakov | jelly: What are the first couple of lines of /proc/net/tcp like? |
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| 08:55.46 | jelly | ivanshmakov: you asking me? I'm running wheezy with 3.11-2-amd64 backport kernel. |
| 08:55.56 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.56 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.58 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: ls -lt show changed in some log files, but that seems normal to me. |
| 08:55.58 | ivanshmakov | s/jelly/jwwww/. Again. |
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| 08:56.42 | jelly | goes away for a snack, to stop ivanshmakov from misTabbing again |
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| 08:57.16 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: http://dpaste.com/1784678/ for /proc/tcp |
| 08:57.41 | jwwww | have a good lunch jelly . |
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| 08:58.34 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: You can examine the few most recently changed files, which may very well end up containing some errors from the process responsible for that :49878 socket. |
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| 08:59.23 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: But given that you’ve got that message from the kernel, I’d suspect that it’s just something like the nfsd.ko kernel module. |
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| 08:59.43 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: ok I do it. note that I found suspects files in directory /dev/shm/.somenumber/files |
| 08:59.49 | ivanshmakov | (Naturally, kernel modules are /not/ processes and have no PIDs. Unless you run Hurd, that is.) |
| 08:59.53 | fireblood | hi, Im trying put a archlinux image to a sd card, how can i know which file in /dev, is my sd card |
| 08:59.55 | fireblood | ? |
| 09:00.25 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: I got check thoses files and I be back. |
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| 09:00.56 | jelly | fireblood: unplug it, check dmesg output, plug it back in, check it again to see which device the kernel talked about |
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| 09:01.37 | fireblood | ok i will try that |
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| 09:01.58 | jelly | fireblood: you may also look at the contents of /sys/block/ |
| 09:02.20 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: Also check $ lsmod | grep -F -- sunrpc. If that’s non-empty, these “no-PID” sockets do probably belong to the kernel. |
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| 09:07.35 | fireblood | dmesg spits out alot of output, is there a way to only output files which belongs to sdcard and such? |
| 09:08.04 | tete_ | hi, i would like to know if there is some way to change a dependency of a package in apt to use another alternative, e.g. when using apt-get install wordpress, its trying to install apache, but i would prefer nginx instead... is there some way or do i have to install wp by myself without the repo? |
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| 09:08.12 | tete_ | because i like the automatic updates from the repo |
| 09:08.27 | fireblood | i think my sd card is sde1 but i want to be certain |
| 09:08.59 | tete_ | fireba11, cat /var/log/messages | grep sde should show you what hardware it is |
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| 09:09.30 | fireblood | ok i will try that |
| 09:09.31 | fireblood | thanks |
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| 09:10.36 | tete_ | at least when you plug it out and plug it in |
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| 09:10.52 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: the server's kernel doesn't support modules. |
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| 09:15.06 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: I find nothing special in those logs. |
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| 09:21.18 | Tasab | hello all , can you have a look to this link and help me please , if possible - thanks : http://pastebin.com/FvVQv0MH |
| 09:21.20 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: I never use module-less kernels, but I guess that you may check the kernel configuration file (/boot/config-* is the Debian convention for them) for anything related to sunrpc (or perhaps SUNRPC or SUN_RPC.) |
| 09:22.22 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: I think I found some info in the logs finally ! |
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| 09:22.29 | themill | Tasab: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy libc6 k3b" |
| 09:22.35 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: it seems it's php-fpm that listen on this port. |
| 09:24.00 | jwwww | I found like with this information : [client 1.2.3.4:49878] mod_fcgid: stderr: some warning due to php code. |
| 09:24.27 | Tasab | themill, tried to install more than a package through synaptic but no success , the output (fix broken package first) , any idea pls |
| 09:25.03 | themill | Tasab: I'd like to see that outpu |
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| 09:25.36 | Tasab | themill, hang on , will despatch to you |
| 09:25.42 | themill | !paste |
| 09:25.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:27.27 | Tasab | themill, Could not apply changes! |
| 09:27.27 | Tasab | Fix broken packages first. |
| 09:27.58 | themill | please pastebin the command and entire output |
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| 09:28.44 | kmmndr | hi all :) |
| 09:29.24 | kmmndr | I'm having a strange bug : the following message appears in syslog "t of memory" |
| 09:29.53 | kmmndr | after googling a while, I've found some people having the same message using tinc |
| 09:30.01 | kmmndr | but I'm not using tinc |
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| 09:30.17 | kmmndr | does anyone ever seen such message ? |
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| 09:30.40 | fireblood | i have compared the /var/log/messages before and after insertion of the sd card, and the only diffrence is this message: Apr 18 11:06:02 josef kernel: [ 4480.393986] sd 6:0:0:2: [sde] 31116288 512-byte logical blocks: (15.9 GB/14.8 GiB) Apr 18 11:06:02 josef kernel: [ 4480.414673] sde: sde1 Apr 18 11:06:03 josef kernel: [ 4481.041147] FAT-fs (sde1): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case |
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| 09:31.14 | fireblood | does this mean sde1 is my sd card? |
| 09:31.49 | Tasab | themill, will send u full info using pastebin , just hold for a while - tks |
| 09:32.01 | shingouz | fireblood: i would assume so |
| 09:32.45 | fireblood | ok i want to be really sure about this so that dont copy to the wrong place |
| 09:33.01 | fireblood | what is the diffrence between sda and sde files in /dev ? |
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| 09:34.08 | shingouz | fireblood: different drive |
| 09:34.12 | moetunes | sda is the first device and sde is the fifth |
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| 09:37.23 | fireblood | ok |
| 09:37.27 | fireblood | thanks |
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| 09:38.36 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: I’m unsure if 1.2.3.4:49878 is actually the /server’s/ socket. To me, it looks more like the /client’s/ one. (Unless 1.2.3.4 happens to be the server’s IPv4 address, that is.) |
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| 09:39.43 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: oh yea seems your are right . as you guessed it's a remote ip. |
| 09:40.41 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: Naturally, remote hosts may very well happen to use the very same port number as a locally used one. There’re only 65536 of them, anyway. |
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| 09:41.46 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: Did you check $ dmesg for anything like “RPC: fragment too large:” (as seen by jelly), BTW? |
| 09:42.30 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: yes, dmesg show only messages about netfilter blocking stuff. |
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| 09:43.19 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: ACK. And do you have the kernel’s configuration file at hand (to check it for anything like ‘sunrpc’, case-insensitively)? |
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| 09:44.14 | jwwww | umm there is no /proc/config.gz but I can find this. |
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| 09:46.03 | acu | hello - guys - I have a debian wheezy machine which cannot upgrade anymore - some errors blocks it |
| 09:46.10 | acu | how can I force upgrade ? |
| 09:46.37 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: yes I found something, here is the part of the config file : http://dpaste.com/1784746/ |
| 09:46.48 | jwwww | acu: solve errors ? :) |
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| 09:51.11 | acu | so anyoing - I do not know what to do |
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| 09:57.21 | ivanshmakov | jwwww: I guess that something relying upon CONFIG_SUNRPC (such as the kernel’s NFS server) may very well be responsible for such a no-PID socket. |
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| 09:58.35 | shafire | Hi |
| 09:58.41 | shafire | how do I set ipv6 for a bridge? |
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| 10:01.44 | Dagger | the same way as for any interface should work |
| 10:02.03 | jwwww | ivanshmakov: you should be right. |
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| 10:07.44 | abbe | hi |
| 10:09.55 | shafire | Dagger: i add an iface for inet6 but it says always Cannot find device "br0" on restart |
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| 10:11.08 | zxz | shafire: could you post your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 10:12.07 | afsal | how I connect my android phone to debian via ssh |
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| 10:12.42 | shafire | zxz: http://pastebin.com/nudDhJJH |
| 10:13.10 | zxz | FlowRiser: do you want to access your debian box over ssh on android? |
| 10:14.03 | afsal | zxz: I want access debian box over ssh on android |
| 10:14.23 | FlowRiser | thought someone is actually missing him. |
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| 10:15.18 | Tasab | themill, sori 4 delay where i can find the sources.list ? |
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| 10:16.07 | afsal | how I connect my android phone to debian via ssh |
| 10:16.20 | Dagger | shafire: hm, ok, good point, the bridge needs to be brought up before that'll work (I *guess* that putting the bridge config in the inet stanza and then putting the v6 config in an inet6 stanza under the inet one would do the trick, but that's relying on interfaces being brought up in the same order as specified in /e/n/i...) |
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| 10:16.47 | afsal | which ip address should I use? |
| 10:16.48 | zxz | afsal: try an app from the play store? connectbot? |
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| 10:17.20 | Dagger | shafire: looks like I use "up ip address add 2001:db8::1/64 dev $IFACE" in the inet block for one of my bridges |
| 10:17.28 | zxz | afsal: check on you debian box with "ip a" |
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| 10:17.54 | shafire | Dagger: do you have also ip -6 route add? |
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| 10:18.55 | afsal | zxz: I using that but it shows 'Connection Lost'. |
| 10:19.02 | Dagger | my upstream is on a separate interface, so no, but you'll want "up ip -6 route add default via <router>" if your default route is out of the bridge |
| 10:19.08 | Dagger | (or rely on RAs if the router is sending them) |
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| 10:19.40 | shafire | Ok |
| 10:19.44 | zxz | shafire: I think you should add something like "iface eth0 inet manual" to you interfaces? |
| 10:20.27 | zxz | afsal: whats your output of "service ssh status" |
| 10:20.40 | shafire | Do I add the route before the addr or after it? |
| 10:21.05 | afsal | zxz: sshd is running |
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| 10:21.37 | Dagger | shafire: I'd do it after, although either should work |
| 10:22.29 | zxz | afsal: is your android device connected to the same network(wifi) as your debian server |
| 10:22.44 | afsal | zxz: no |
| 10:23.20 | shafire | thanks Dagger zxz |
| 10:23.55 | zxz | afsal: where's your debian server? at home? |
| 10:24.11 | afsal | zxz: yes |
| 10:24.24 | k^ | somehow uid/guid resolving in a chrooted environment does not work, even tho the libnss_compat/files are in /chroot/lib32 and executable |
| 10:24.27 | k^ | any ideas? |
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| 10:25.30 | afsal | zxz: I want connect via internet to ssh server, is that possible? |
| 10:26.09 | zxz | afsal: it should work if you connect through wifi, if you don'T want to use wifi you probably will have to install a ddns client and set up NAT forwarding |
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| 10:28.19 | afsal | zxz: how I configure ddns client? |
| 10:28.31 | zxz | do you know what that is? |
| 10:28.50 | zxz | or do you know why you need this? |
| 10:29.51 | afsal | zxz: just fun :-) |
| 10:30.05 | zxz | I mean why you need ddns |
| 10:30.42 | zxz | you probablyy don't have a static IP address |
| 10:31.16 | afsal | zxz: but can't connect to pc from phone |
| 10:31.47 | afsal | zxz: I don't want to use wifi |
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| 10:32.41 | atlasblade | hello |
| 10:32.44 | atlasblade | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxAHjWhOIY |
| 10:32.45 | atlasblade | hhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 10:34.12 | zxz | afsal: the that ip "lynx --dump http://ipecho.net/plain" |
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| 10:36.48 | afsal | zxz: the ip shown is also can't connect |
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| 10:37.45 | zxz | afsal: you have to sett up NAT forwarding |
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| 10:42.51 | afsal | zxz: how to setup NAT? |
| 10:43.29 | zxz | that depends on your router |
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| 10:45.56 | afsal | zxz: any docs? |
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| 10:47.16 | zxz | so many different routers out there that I can't halp you on this one. Basically you just have to log in and forward an external IP to you internal ip port (22) |
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| 10:50.32 | acu | !paste |
| 10:50.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 10:53.16 | SynrG | acu: if that was for your personal info, please message the bot instead, e.g. /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:53.24 | acu | hello - I have a bunch of errors when I try to upgrade - |
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| 10:53.44 | acu | SynrG: I never now how to do it |
| 10:53.56 | SynrG | acu: so i just told you how, for next time |
| 10:54.05 | SynrG | acu: if you are prone to forget things, write them down |
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| 10:54.20 | wald0 | is there a reason to use the google chrome version that comes from debian instead of from google ? |
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| 10:54.38 | SynrG | wald0: we support the one in debian and not the one from google |
| 10:55.15 | SynrG | wald0: and chromium is not chrome. |
| 10:55.15 | ivanshmakov | wald0: AIUI, Google Chrome contains non-free components, while the version of Chromium packaged with Debian does not. And yes, that security support thing. |
| 10:55.19 | wald0 | yeah, i know, but what are the modifications (that a debian system needs) that comes from the one in debian ? |
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| 10:55.38 | SynrG | wald0: do you like freedom? |
| 10:55.39 | wald0 | ivanshmakov: yeah, im having troubles with the Flash stuff, seems like i need to use the official google chromium :/ |
| 10:55.46 | acu | anyhow, this are the errors - totally nightmare - I cannot upgrade - or do anything . prisoner http://paste.debian.net/94353/ |
| 10:56.01 | SynrG | wald0: google chrome is not free software. |
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| 10:56.11 | wald0 | SynrG: i want freedom to manage my virtualmachine buyed recently in my hosting :/ |
| 10:56.17 | ivanshmakov | wald0: … And neither is Flash. |
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| 10:56.37 | wald0 | which more exaclty: it requires flash player version 11.5 in order to manage via web, or to use a windows system for run the (only for windows) application |
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| 10:57.15 | SynrG | wald0: sounds like a poor choice of hosting if you like freedom. |
| 10:57.19 | acu | waldo: next time you can look for hosting with free software :) |
| 10:57.31 | SynrG | acu: sec, looking |
| 10:58.20 | SynrG | acu: so i guess you have some non-debian components here with crappy init scripts |
| 10:58.47 | acu | SynrG: yes, this is the kolab repo |
| 10:58.54 | SynrG | acu: specifically IptabLex and IptabLes |
| 10:59.16 | acu | I can disable them (If I knew how :) |
| 10:59.30 | SynrG | or you can simply write proper headers for them |
| 10:59.41 | wald0 | i was previously in a hosting using OpenVZ, but it was lots of problems because seems like the resources are less "isolated", so when some crappy user in the same hosting container calculates pi or runs crappy tasks, my entire site got blocked and delayed up to timeouts |
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| 10:59.45 | SynrG | acu: is that a squeeze->wheezy upgrade? |
| 10:59.54 | acu | no, it is wheezy to wheezy |
| 11:00.04 | SynrG | acu: how/when did it get in this state? |
| 11:00.08 | acu | 7.1 to 7.4 |
| 11:00.30 | wald0 | so i decided to move to a more isolated solution, these was called "cheap vps" and then i moved to "pro vps", which used vmware |
| 11:00.37 | acu | multiple, non inteligent steps |
| 11:00.51 | ivanshmakov | FWIW, I’ve used some VM providers (Hetzner, Rackspace, Virpus, etc.) and never seen them offering a Flash-based solution for anything. |
| 11:00.52 | acu | wald0: how much do you pay ? |
| 11:01.27 | acu | usually you can manage your vps with webmin (web interface), vnc (GUI) and ssh |
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| 11:01.40 | SynrG | acu: are those specific init scripts related to kolab somehow? |
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| 11:02.00 | repxl | Warning: mkdir(): Permission denied in /usr/share/nginx/html/logic/l_register.php |
| 11:02.01 | SynrG | acu: i wasn't responding to the "Warning" part of your output ... |
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| 11:02.08 | repxl | php |
| 11:02.12 | SynrG | acu: just the insserv stuff |
| 11:02.13 | acu | SynrG: most probably, but kolab is not working at this time, it worked before |
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| 11:02.34 | acu | yes, I tried to remove some of the stuff from /etc/init.d |
| 11:02.45 | acu | just that some are not there |
| 11:02.55 | SynrG | acu: 'remove some of the stuff' by simply removing files? |
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| 11:03.43 | acu | yes, I moved them to another temp folder, I think if I can at least pass this and upgrade, it will "heal", the problem is that they are blockers, cannot do anything |
| 11:03.46 | SynrG | acu: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/IptabLes |
| 11:04.02 | acu | SynrG, thx, let me try |
| 11:04.42 | wald0 | acu: 7 euro (with taxes) month, 75 gb disk, 500 ram, xeon cpu, ulimited bandwith |
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| 11:06.02 | SynrG | wald0: the long, sad story is not really helping us move forward with finding you a solution now. :/ even *if* a particular hosting solution seems to offer better service for less money, you have to assess whether the commensurate loss of freedom is really worth it after all. |
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| 11:06.29 | SynrG | wald0: there are many, many choices out there for hosting that does use free software. |
| 11:06.46 | SynrG | s/does/do/ |
| 11:07.02 | SynrG | and no, i can't recommend one. i only self-host at home. |
| 11:07.15 | jelly | wald0: be aware that vsphere web client (the flash one) doesn't really work in any linux browser anyway |
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| 11:08.18 | acu | dpkg -S /etc/init.d/IPtabLes dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/init.d/IPtabLes |
| 11:08.19 | dpkg | There is no record of a /etc/init.d/IPtabLes dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/init.d/IPtabLes package |
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| 11:08.42 | SynrG | acu: cut-and-paste is a wonderful thing ... |
| 11:09.17 | jelly | wald0: it's barely possible to log in with google chrome for linux, but it gets unusably buggy soon after |
| 11:09.35 | SynrG | acu: anyway, my point being you didn't type what i told you to type |
| 11:10.02 | wald0 | SynrG: yeah, these dependency of hosting rules really sucks... if, and ONLY IF... the "home networks" would have a decent upload... nobody (specially me) will depend of those hsotings for put a simple website |
| 11:10.24 | jelly | wald0: thus your choice for managing guests on VMware ESXi or vSphere are: fat client on windows, or a browser with flash, also on windows :-) |
| 11:10.31 | wald0 | any computer can manage the work perfectly... ONLY IF the network in house will have a decent upload speed :/ |
| 11:10.34 | acu | SynrG: OK, what did you tell me to type ? |
| 11:10.37 | SynrG | acu: "IPtabLes" is not "IptabLes". (plus whoever decided to write the filename that way should be kicked in the head) |
| 11:10.40 | wald0 | they has good download, but a very lame upload |
| 11:11.19 | SynrG | <SynrG> acu: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/IptabLes |
| 11:11.41 | wald0 | jelly: yeah, that vsphere web client, it doesn't works ? i ran it in a windows machine, now i was able to see the login screen on chromium + pepper-flash (but not tried more htan this atm) |
| 11:12.09 | wald0 | jelly: oh, just read your next comment, mmh, what is the cause of this lack of usability then? |
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| 11:12.45 | SynrG | acu: the question i'm trying to answer is "what package (if any) owns the offending init scripts" |
| 11:12.46 | jelly | wald0: ask the vendor :-| |
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| 11:13.24 | jelly | wald0: I think people on OSX have complained to them as well |
| 11:14.02 | wald0 | SynrG: which network you use at home (which country) ? |
| 11:14.31 | repxl | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.44 | repxl | php can't create a directory |
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| 11:14.54 | xmj | good morning |
| 11:15.13 | SynrG | wald0: i have a 5M/1M cable connection in canada. $35/mo with pseudo-fixed IP# (doesn't change often) and no important ports blocked |
| 11:15.25 | xmj | what would be the commandline for dpkg to take a .deb archive and extract it to a specifc PREFIX ? |
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| 11:15.28 | SynrG | oh, wait, i think they upgraded that not long ago |
| 11:15.55 | xmj | say i want to install steam_latest.deb to /compat/linux instead of / |
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| 11:16.13 | SynrG | wald0: anyway, bandwidth not really relevant since my usage is so low |
| 11:16.35 | SynrG | 20M, i think (or whatever their current "basic" package is) |
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| 11:16.52 | acu | SynrG, I got the same - dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/init.d/IptabLes |
| 11:17.11 | SynrG | acu: so what created that script, if not a debian package? |
| 11:17.49 | SynrG | acu: is this host directly on the internet or behind a router/firewall? |
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| 11:18.34 | repxl | Warning: mkdir(): Permission denied in /usr/share/nginx/html/logic/l_register.php on line 68 how to enable permission ... |
| 11:18.43 | SynrG | acu: the pair of offending scripts seem to be (guessing by their names) to manage firewall rules in iptables. removing these is a possibility, but we should figure out exactly what that would break, first. |
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| 11:19.46 | LordDeath | is DSA-2908-1 a result of the heartbleed auditing-aftermath? |
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| 11:21.03 | SynrG | LordDeath: i believe so, yes |
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| 11:22.08 | ectospasm | I'm trying to get exim4 working on my Wheezy based router. I've followed this guide I wrote for myself (https://eldon.me/?p=126), and it works beautifully from my Sid workstation (which is behind the router). I even copied the entire /etc/exim4 directory from my workstation to my router, so the configurations should be identical. Here's the relevant portion of my /var/log/exim4/mainlog: |
| 11:22.10 | ectospasm | http://paste.debian.net/94355/ |
| 11:22.49 | ectospasm | Wait... |
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| 11:23.12 | ectospasm | It could be iptables on the router, it may not be allowing connections to 587... |
| 11:23.27 | wald0 | SynrG: well, this is a minimally decent upload, but here in spain all the uploads sucks (nobody uses upload?), for example to upload an .iso image of 600 mb takes at least 7 hours |
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| 11:23.43 | wald0 | (i dont remember the exact numbers of speed) |
| 11:24.31 | SynrG | acu: anyway, you could first "ls -l /etc/rc*.d/Iptab*" and save that somewhere, then disable each by: update-rc.d remove IptabLes && update-rc.d remove IptabLex |
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| 11:25.18 | SynrG | acu: if update-rc.d fails because it calls insserv which dies again with this loop, you could try manually removing the symlinks listed by your 'ls' command |
| 11:25.42 | SynrG | acu: once you can get a clean run of 'insserv' by itself, the upgrade should be able to proceed again without errors. |
| 11:25.42 | wald0 | jelly: im browsing it a bit and everything seems to work correctly |
| 11:26.14 | wald0 | mmh, this is a bit OT but is there a way to configure myself "reverse dns"? or i totally depend of the hosting to do this ? (no option in their panels) |
| 11:26.16 | SynrG | acu: after the upgrade, you need to decide what to do about the broken scripts (i.e. assess whether you really need them or not ... if you don't know where they even came from ... maybe not?) |
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| 11:26.48 | SynrG | wald0: upload speed here is not great, but not *that* bad. |
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| 11:27.15 | SynrG | wald0: and since the bump up to 20M (or whatever it is, i forget ...) it's much better than it was before |
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| 11:27.27 | SynrG | wald0: but this is all more suitable for #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 11:27.38 | wald0 | SynrG: yeah, that's the problem, that is really unnacceptable, oh see, i just did a speedtest, download is 3.3 Mbps, but upload is 0.61 Mbps |
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| 11:28.02 | SynrG | wald0: join #debian-offtopic to continue? :) |
| 11:28.15 | wald0 | SynrG: well, i think that im done :) |
| 11:28.55 | wald0 | so debian-topic... what is the "bump" between march and april here? https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 11:29.24 | wald0 | trying to get an idea for the next release time, maybe 1 year? |
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| 11:31.01 | SynrG | wald0: that would appear to be a mass bug-filing all on one day (see the month graph) |
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| 11:32.14 | SynrG | well, this is speculation on my part. can't think what else would look like that |
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| 11:36.33 | SynrG | wald0: oh, there's no month graph for that month. hmm. |
| 11:38.07 | wat | anyone experienced using ip over dns with iodine? |
| 11:38.16 | wat | ##linux is filled with retards |
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| 11:39.36 | repxl | when i do permission 777 to a folder it gives write access to the world .. what does it mean how can they write to it .. ? |
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| 11:42.03 | HicksD | repxl: Any other user on your machine could modify the file, assuming they have at least execute access to the directories leading up to it. Or any other process for that matter, which is important to be wary of if you're running servers like apache |
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| 11:43.13 | repxl | HicksD ok but you have to be on the machine ... i was think you can write to it even tought a browser and edit it ... i mean it's sounds so scary write access to world lol |
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| 11:43.45 | SynrG | repxl: "world" means any user on any account on your system. even if you have a single-user system for which only you have the password, it's unsafe, as any process anywhere on your system might be under the control of an attacker, and 'world' write access in that dir will increase the amount of damage they can do. |
| 11:43.47 | repxl | HicksD im using nginx |
| 11:44.23 | SynrG | repxl: so generally, do not grant 'world' write as a matter of good security practice. |
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| 11:44.43 | repxl | SynrG they can control apache user ? o.O |
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| 11:44.52 | repxl | SynrG only when they hack the password no ? |
| 11:44.54 | SynrG | repxl: it's not unheard of |
| 11:45.06 | SynrG | repxl: not necessarily. they could be using a zero-day exploit |
| 11:45.19 | SynrG | repxl: or you may have fallen behind on your security updates |
| 11:45.58 | repxl | SynrG so in short, for a www folder i should never use "world access" right ? |
| 11:46.06 | repxl | and the files inside it . |
| 11:46.11 | SynrG | repxl: never. right. |
| 11:46.26 | HicksD | best to ensure apache runs as its own user/group and only assign that user/group to files it needs to access |
| 11:46.36 | HicksD | and use minimum permissions you can get away with. |
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| 11:48.55 | repxl | HicksD ok so it's bad because my www folder is owned by root | root but apache user also uses it . how i can look all users that uses the www folder and how to remove the root | root so only apache user will use my www folder. |
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| 11:49.43 | HicksD | Check the apache docs, it should cover how to run apache as its own user/group, think there's a setting in the http conf file |
| 11:50.19 | HicksD | I've not setup apache for a few years now so would hesitate to give specific advice in case they've changed how it works :) |
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| 11:50.54 | repxl | HicksD no i just asking for a linux command with which i can see what folder uses what users |
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| 11:51.12 | repxl | HicksD and how to remove some users from the ownership of a folder. |
| 11:51.36 | repxl | HicksD so i can look who all uses the folder "www" and ofc clean unneccessary users away. like root in this casee. |
| 11:51.38 | HicksD | chown is used to set the user/group, chmod to set read/write/execute permissions |
| 11:52.05 | repxl | HicksD and how to list all the users that uses the "www" folder? |
| 11:52.08 | HicksD | as for finding, there's possibly a way to do it via the find command |
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| 11:52.48 | HicksD | Unless you've changed things though, I thought debian ran apache as its own user anyway? Although again, not set it up so could be mistaken. |
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| 11:54.16 | repxl | HicksD well in some cases i changed it so root | root uses now the www folder but im sure apache has also access to it . but i dont know how to track list all the users that using that www folder |
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| 11:54.58 | repxl | HicksD im using filezilla and there you see who uses the folder like ROOT | ROOT but there can be plenty of other users groups that also has access to it but i can't see it on filezilla so i asking for a linux command to list all |
| 11:55.04 | HicksD | You don't assign permissions per user to access a folder (unless you're using ACLs). You just give the current user/group rwx access or not and world rwx or not. |
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| 11:55.10 | cupantae | hi all , i made a balls of configuring my graphics card to output hdmi audio and im having great difficulty getting the system to show the gui... any ideas? running debian wheezy, ati amd catalyst radeon 6450 graphics card that i was trying to set up. not sure if i made of a balls of the xorg or grub configuration. Sorry for the block of text |
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| 11:55.30 | HicksD | So if you change a folder that's say www:www to newuser:newgroup and it didn't have world rwx, then anyone who did have access no longer does. |
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| 11:55.52 | HicksD | Is this on your own server? or hosting company? |
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| 11:57.16 | SynrG | cupantae: we should start from the bottom up (i.e. alsa). so is the card in /proc/asound/cards? if not, then no gui will show it either. |
| 11:57.17 | repxl | HicksD own server aha so there can't own 2 users or 2 different groups one folder right ? |
| 11:57.35 | HicksD | not withou ACLs and you'd know if you've been using those :) |
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| 11:57.54 | HicksD | There's one user owner, one group owner and one everyone else access permission. |
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| 11:58.02 | HicksD | which you can see with ls -l |
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| 11:58.25 | HicksD | if you need more info, man chmod and chown should help |
| 11:58.29 | HicksD | afk a mo |
| 11:58.40 | SynrG | cupantae: are you using the debian non-free fglrx-driver? what version does apt-cache policy fglrx-driver say is installed? |
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| 11:58.45 | cupantae | ill try check that SynrG |
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| 11:59.00 | cupantae | i was using the proprietary driver |
| 11:59.02 | SynrG | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 11:59.02 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.3~beta1.0-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.3~beta1.0-1 |
| 11:59.14 | SynrG | cupantae: installed from debian's non-free repo or using AMD's installer from their site? |
| 11:59.27 | cupantae | amd's |
| 11:59.34 | SynrG | cupantae: we don't support that here :( |
| 11:59.55 | cupantae | cool, i was actually trying to install the open driver |
| 11:59.57 | SynrG | cupantae: see channel #ati for support |
| 12:00.09 | cupantae | still #ati? |
| 12:00.23 | SynrG | not for the free driver, no |
| 12:00.34 | SynrG | just the one installed using AMD's installer. |
| 12:00.44 | repxl | how i can find the nginx user ? i dont know how the name is correct since i see just root:root |
| 12:00.52 | repxl | and the nginx group ofc |
| 12:01.04 | SynrG | cupantae: if that didn't work for you, then your first order of business is to remove it and get back to using the free radeon driver. |
| 12:01.15 | SynrG | cupantae: there's no point in looking at any of your output until you've done that. |
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| 12:02.18 | cupantae | im a n00b so im wondering if i might be betteroff trying to overwrite that using a debian usb installation stick |
| 12:04.37 | SynrG | i doubt it |
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| 12:06.39 | SynrG | cupantae: i mean, assuming AMD's uninstaller does what it's supposed to |
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| 12:08.07 | cupantae | hmm ok so the grubloader screenloaded ive root access but not sure what to do. i cant get the proprietary driver to install after trying to remove it and trying to install teh free driver as the gui wont load up now and havnt much experience using command line yet |
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| 12:08.41 | JyZyXEL | is there a page explaining how to set up a second monitor with the i915? |
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| 12:09.08 | JyZyXEL | xfce seems to be only able to set up a cloned display |
| 12:09.36 | SynrG | cupantae: ok. so let's explore a bit. lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 12:09.48 | cupantae | thanks |
| 12:09.50 | SynrG | cupantae: is the fglrx kernel module currently loaded? the output of that command should say |
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| 12:10.52 | acu | hello guys - is there any new debian fix/upgrade with regard to heartbleed vulnerability of TLS ? |
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| 12:11.10 | cupantae | output fglrx 2634136 0, new line, button 12937 1 fglrx |
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| 12:12.09 | SynrG | cupantae: so yes, it is. now 'apt-cache policy fglrx-driver'. is there any fglrx-driver package installed? |
| 12:12.20 | wols | acu: see topic. that vulnerability has been fixed many days ago, in every branch of debian |
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| 12:13.38 | cupantae | installed none |
| 12:13.39 | SynrG | acu: if your question is "what is this new version of libssl1.0.0 in my upgrades today?" you should ask that question instead :) |
| 12:13.56 | cupantae | candidate 1:12-6 |
| 12:14.09 | SynrG | cupantae: ok. is there some uninstaller script you ran to remove the AMD stuff? did you run it? |
| 12:15.40 | acu | SynrG: how can I check the version I have ? |
| 12:15.49 | SynrG | cupantae: look in /usr/share/ati/ |
| 12:15.53 | cupantae | k |
| 12:15.58 | SynrG | acu: apt-cache policy openssl libssl1.0.0 |
| 12:16.29 | JyZyXEL | how do i select the default alsa sound card for my system? |
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| 12:16.37 | repxl | SynrG so i found out that my nginx is using www-data user and group so i should set the www folder now to www-data:www-data and all the files inside it ? |
| 12:17.02 | wols | repxl: not necessarily. and on debian /var/www is owned by www-data by default |
| 12:17.20 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: http://paste.debian.net/94366/ -- if it is alsa (not pulse) put that into $HOME/.asoundrc of your user, and write in teh correct card/device numbers |
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| 12:17.35 | wols | sorry, not by default. and no you shouldn't. when it's owned by root, the nginx process cannot change files |
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| 12:17.36 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: are you kidding, its still that complicated? |
| 12:17.54 | JyZyXEL | isn't there any app i can just use to select the correct one |
| 12:17.58 | repxl | wols it makes me confusing because when i look on filezilla all is owned by root:root the parent www folder and the files inside which makes me confusing |
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| 12:18.08 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: that complicated? You mearly put a simple three line file and tell it what card you want as default. |
| 12:18.30 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: there maybe, but to me that sounds way more complicated to have a full program write those lines for ya. |
| 12:18.31 | repxl | wols and i have to use permissin 777 on a media folder which is used to mkdir with php |
| 12:18.37 | acu | SynrG: I showed you that debian machine which cannot be updated, I think that was compromised, and some scripts were run, so I am really screwed, I cannot upgrade or anything |
| 12:18.48 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i have no idea what numbers i have to use :p |
| 12:18.51 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: if you use gnome or kde I think they have system settings you can use |
| 12:18.53 | wols | repxl: some things, like an upload directory needs to have www-data as owner so the nginx process can write to it for example. so normal stuff the website user doesn't have to write to is some other owner without write permissions, and for some the webserver needs to have write permission |
| 12:18.55 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 12:19.08 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: aplay -l |
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| 12:19.40 | wols | repxl: no you don't. you can use 755. it only needs read permissions, unless you write to it. and if php running inside the webserver creates it, chances are it is already webserver writable by default. |
| 12:19.44 | SynrG | acu: compromised? ah that would explain why you have crap on it that you don't know where it came from. great. |
| 12:20.00 | SynrG | acu: so, looks like fresh install time. fun times. |
| 12:20.10 | wols | acu: why couldn't you upgrade? |
| 12:20.19 | Cazzano | How can I use an all in one printer&scanner in debian? Debians finds the printer part and asks which driver to choose from. so far no problem but I dont know how to activate the scanner though |
| 12:20.23 | SynrG | cupantae: any luck finding the uninstall script? |
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| 12:20.38 | repxl | wols if i set 755 it writes me a error permission denied and the user group is root:root |
| 12:20.50 | wols | Cazzano: check SANE if it supports the scanner. most times it doesn't for all in ones |
| 12:21.08 | Cazzano | wols: SANE is a package? |
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| 12:21.14 | wols | repxl: cause the parent directory of that file/directory doesn't allow writes. so you have to change it |
| 12:21.18 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: the output is so confusing i still ahve no idea |
| 12:21.19 | wols | !sane |
| 12:21.19 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy (SANE) is an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:22.00 | wols | JyZyXEL: show the output? |
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| 12:22.09 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I first look at 'cat /proc/asound/cards' can you identify which card number 0,1,2,3,... is the card you want to use? |
| 12:22.21 | acu | wols: here it is http://paste.debian.net/94353/ |
| 12:22.25 | cupantae | @SyngR. ok, so ive a kernel versionlist.txt doc list lib 64 preun_doc.sh licence.txt drv.list lib glidr.txt preun_km.sh amd-uninstall.sh fglrx install.log and a few other files in that folder |
| 12:22.30 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/94367/ |
| 12:22.56 | Cazzano | wols: thanks. It's not in the supported list. Does that mean it wont work at all? |
| 12:23.09 | JyZyXEL | i want the sounds out from the green hole in the motehrboard |
| 12:23.15 | repxl | wols ok i tryed 755 and root:nginx and also root:www-data both give still permission denied. |
| 12:23.17 | wols | acu: this has nothing to do with your inability to upgrade openssl. you can easily still do that via apt or definitely via dpkg |
| 12:23.26 | JyZyXEL | in VLC you could actually select from somewhat sane options |
| 12:23.27 | wols | Cazzano: probably not |
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| 12:23.42 | wols | !tell repxl about permissions |
| 12:23.46 | cupantae | SynrG* |
| 12:23.53 | wols | repxl: I strongly suggest you to learn how Linux permissions work |
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| 12:24.24 | wols | repxl: for starters, what "755" means with a permission exactly for user, group or world |
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| 12:24.56 | acu | here it is - the IP is from china - http://paste.debian.net/94368/ |
| 12:24.58 | wols | Cazzano: I suggest you read out its usb id and google for it if someone else managed to use this device with linux. |
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| 12:25.05 | SynrG | cupantae: so i guess you would just /usr/share/ati/amd-uninstall.sh |
| 12:25.18 | SynrG | cupantae: with luck, that uninstalls it |
| 12:25.32 | Cazzano | wols: usb id? is this different from the brand and model name? |
| 12:25.39 | SynrG | cupantae: after that, a reboot and check again 'lsmod | grep fglrx' and this time it should show any fglrx module loaded |
| 12:25.42 | wols | Cazzano: yes. run lsusb |
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| 12:26.13 | cupantae | runs |
| 12:26.29 | cupantae | restore of system environment completed |
| 12:26.33 | JyZyXEL | lovely how crappy the adobe flash is in linux |
| 12:26.41 | JyZyXEL | even youtube doesn't work correctly with it |
| 12:26.49 | cupantae | uninstall fglrx completed |
| 12:27.09 | cupantae | system must be rebooted to avoid instability |
| 12:27.16 | cupantae | rebooting |
| 12:28.15 | cupantae | JyZyXEL tried HTML5 using chromium? |
| 12:28.18 | hoxu | my mouse stops working after a brief while in X, replugging it makes it work for a while again. Any ideas? |
| 12:28.22 | JyZyXEL | naw |
| 12:28.30 | cupantae | youtube works |
| 12:28.37 | JyZyXEL | i don't know if youtube supports html5 for live streams |
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| 12:28.50 | cupantae | that i couldnt tell you |
| 12:28.57 | JyZyXEL | isn't chromium some googles thing? |
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| 12:29.16 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: youtube supports html5 for many of it's videos but not all. And flash seems to play youtube videos just fine here. If you want there is also youtube-dl |
| 12:29.17 | cupantae | google chrome |
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| 12:29.27 | JyZyXEL | probably loaded with spyware |
| 12:29.48 | cupantae | isnt it all tho :D flash too |
| 12:29.50 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: chromium is the opensource portion of googles webbrowser. google-chrome puts it's own flash (pepperflash which there are scripts to install in debian) on it |
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| 12:30.17 | somiaj | and yes google-chrome puts various other nonfree things on it |
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| 12:30.52 | cupantae | SynrG im back to boot screen with flashing cursor... |
| 12:31.14 | cupantae | well blank black screen* |
| 12:31.19 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: as for your soundcard can you give the the output of 'aplay -l' not 'aply -L' like you did |
| 12:31.27 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: at paste.debian.net again |
| 12:31.55 | JyZyXEL | ah |
| 12:32.00 | SynrG | cupantae: explain what you see when you boot. do you see boot messages before that? |
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| 12:32.14 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/94369/ |
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| 12:32.17 | hoxu | another issue I'm having is that switching to ttys 1-6 makes the screen go blank and I can't get back to X without rebooting (perhaps related, shutdown gets stuck most likely after X is closed) - appreciate any ideas |
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| 12:32.24 | JyZyXEL | card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC1150 Analog [ALC1150 Analog] |
| 12:32.27 | JyZyXEL | thats the one i probably want |
| 12:32.31 | cupantae | bios , grub loader, |
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| 12:33.11 | tissi | hello |
| 12:33.17 | DasEi | ssl, thx..and off as offtopic :) |
| 12:33.23 | SynrG | cupantae: no kernel messages? |
| 12:33.24 | tissi | i have a slight problem with bluetooth applet |
| 12:33.27 | JyZyXEL | card 1; device 0 |
| 12:33.29 | JyZyXEL | i would imagine |
| 12:33.36 | tissi | i select settings but nothing works |
| 12:33.38 | cupantae | gnu grub 1.99-27+deb7u2 |
| 12:33.38 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: well each of those lines is a card/device number. So try that in that file if that doesn't work |
| 12:33.44 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you only have a few combinations to try |
| 12:33.56 | cupantae | gnu/deb linux recovery or normal option |
| 12:34.02 | wols | hoxu: what card is it? |
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| 12:34.06 | somiaj | I personally don't reconize the difference betwwen the MID and PCH device, but they will be two spepearate cards on your machine |
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| 12:34.25 | tissi | nothing happens at all i mean. i'm just trying to change it so that when the bluetooth applet starts it starts with bluetooth off instead of on (since i've added bluetooth applet to autostart) |
| 12:34.37 | SynrG | cupantae: you know how to edit the kernel commandline at the grub boot prompt? try appending 'nomodeset' and see if you can at least boot to console login prompt |
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| 12:35.15 | hoxu | wols, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB (GV-N75TOC-2GI) |
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| 12:35.32 | cupantae | choose recovery mode? then enter root password? |
| 12:36.03 | wols | hoxu: you will need a very very current driver then, preferably from nvidia. |
| 12:36.11 | wols | ,v nvidia-dkms |
| 12:36.12 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in i386. |
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| 12:37.03 | wols | hoxu: you will need to backport it from sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 12:37.51 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: yea card 1 device 0 looks like what you want, the other is an HDMI audio device |
| 12:37.52 | hoxu | wols, nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 12:38.08 | SynrG | cupantae: it's likely even in recovery mode you'll have difficulty, if the kernel graphics support is broken |
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| 12:40.24 | somiaj | !tell hoxu about backports |
| 12:41.27 | JyZyXEL | disabling the hardware acceleration from flash made it work better |
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| 12:41.43 | hoxu | thanks, I know about backports... I needed a wheezy-backports kernel for the network card, and jessie nvidia stuff because the backports ones don't work at the moment |
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| 12:42.00 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: youtube.com/html5 (good place to go tell youtube to use that player) |
| 12:42.02 | hoxu | anyway, turns out I need nvidia 334.21 for GTX 750 Ti, so out of luck for debian nvidia way there |
| 12:42.11 | wols | hoxu: have you done a backport or install via apt-get install? |
| 12:42.14 | somiaj | hoxu: if there are not backports, you have to make them yourself |
| 12:42.20 | somiaj | !tell hoxu about ssb |
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| 12:42.33 | wols | somiaj: as you can see, it won't help him |
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| 12:42.53 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i don't think it worked for the live streams |
| 12:42.55 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-glx |
| 12:42.57 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-kernel-glx' was found in i386. |
| 12:43.00 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 12:43.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 331.49-1; sid/non-free: 331.49-1 |
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| 12:43.29 | JyZyXEL | i don't think it worked at all to be honest |
| 12:43.41 | SynrG | cupantae: press 'e' key at the entry you want to edit, use arrow-keys to go down to line starting 'linux', go to end of that line and append (after a blank) nomodeset |
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| 12:43.49 | SynrG | cupantae: press ctrl-x to boot |
| 12:43.54 | hoxu | wols, somiaj: thanks for the help though :) |
| 12:43.57 | somiaj | hoxu: are you sure you need that new of a version, the 331.49 version works fine with my 770 gtx, though backporting the nvidia drivers may not be the easiest. |
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| 12:44.13 | cupantae | thanks again SynrG |
| 12:44.26 | hoxu | somiaj, 334.21 release highlights says GTX 750 Ti support was added - http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/73666/en-us |
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| 12:45.37 | wols | somiaj: gtx 750 ti is maxwell. yours is an ancient gtx 680 |
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| 12:46.48 | somiaj | ahh, didn' traelize the Ti was a different core. |
| 12:47.03 | wols | gtx 750 and gtx 750 ti both |
| 12:47.12 | cupantae | ok, SynrG, Ive my blank screen after rebooting and the normal deb os loading (not recovery) |
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| 12:47.47 | cupantae | then blank screen flashing underscore |
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| 12:48.43 | cupantae | ctrlx just does types out ^x |
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| 12:49.28 | Nas001 | hello , how i can install the s/ware vokoscreen through the terminal (zip) file - thank you |
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| 12:51.20 | SynrG | cupantae: um, then we failed somewhere. you said you get the grub menu? |
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| 12:51.50 | SynrG | cupantae: the ^X isn't for when you're at the blank screen. that's to exit after editing the linux command line at the grub menu. |
| 12:52.23 | cupantae | SynrG:ive a bootable debian stick if that helps, read this https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132. ok ill turn on and off again and wait at grub menu |
| 12:52.32 | SynrG | cupantae: so, back up a few steps. you have a grub menu, then press 'e' to edit the first entry. then find the line that starts 'linux' and append ' nomodeset' to that, and press ctrl-x |
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| 12:53.35 | cupantae | ok pressed e, new screen. Reading... |
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| 12:54.48 | cupantae | ill try pastebin a screenshot |
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| 12:56.06 | SynrG | cupantae: no, that's ok. i can guess what you're seeing :) |
| 12:56.14 | SynrG | cupantae: use down-arrow to get to the line starting with "linux" |
| 12:56.24 | cupantae | mhmm |
| 12:56.33 | SynrG | cupantae: arrow-keys to get to end of that line, add a blank, and then nomodset |
| 12:56.36 | SynrG | nomodeset |
| 12:56.40 | SynrG | ^^ sorry, typo |
| 12:56.59 | SynrG | when done editing, press ctrl-x to boot |
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| 12:57.19 | cupantae | enter then ctrl x or just ctrl x |
| 12:57.22 | cupantae | ? |
| 12:57.27 | SynrG | just ctrl-x |
| 12:57.33 | cupantae | k |
| 12:57.44 | cupantae | booting... |
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| 12:58.29 | cupantae | ok im back to blank flashy cursor |
| 12:58.40 | SynrG | did you see kernel messages before that? |
| 12:58.48 | cupantae | yes |
| 12:58.55 | cupantae | as they flashed by |
| 12:59.03 | SynrG | if you press ctrl-alt-f1 do you get back to a console login prompt? |
| 12:59.12 | SynrG | if so, that's all we really need. |
| 12:59.15 | cupantae | yes |
| 12:59.29 | SynrG | login as root and investigate. lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 12:59.34 | cupantae | this is like magic to me :D |
| 13:00.09 | cupantae | logged in as root |
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| 13:00.37 | SynrG | and the command? |
| 13:00.39 | cupantae | ok same as earlier |
| 13:00.45 | SynrG | so fglrx *is* loaded? |
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| 13:01.03 | SynrG | nice job, uninstaller :p |
| 13:01.17 | cupantae | fglrx 2634136 0, newline, button 12937 1 fglrx |
| 13:01.33 | cupantae | :S :) |
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| 13:02.51 | cupantae | i think i owe you a beer already |
| 13:02.53 | SynrG | find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'fglrx*.ko' |
| 13:03.48 | SynrG | cupantae: did you ever use debian's fglrx-driver from non-free? there's the possibility we still have some stuff leftover from that |
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| 13:04.19 | cupantae | i think i may have |
| 13:04.33 | cupantae | after i couldnt get anything going |
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| 13:04.47 | SynrG | aptitude versions --group-by=none ~ifglrx |
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| 13:05.24 | SynrG | i'm just interested in any package names that match. not the whole output. |
| 13:05.40 | khezer | ? |
| 13:05.57 | cupantae | 'fglrx-driver*.ko' no such file or directory |
| 13:06.18 | SynrG | uh? that's the output from what? |
| 13:06.26 | SynrG | i never said fglrx-driver ... |
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| 13:06.52 | SynrG | cupantae: forget the 'find' command for now. just the aptitude one :) |
| 13:07.00 | SynrG | i think this will tell us more |
| 13:07.16 | cupantae | shit sorry |
| 13:07.21 | SynrG | clearly there is fglrx in /lib/modules *somewhere* ... the find command is only going to tell us what we already know :) |
| 13:07.44 | SynrG | the interesting question is "do we still have residual debian fglrx packages installed?" |
| 13:07.58 | cupantae | 'fglrx*.ko' no such file or directory |
| 13:08.26 | SynrG | cupantae: i can't see how you could get that from find. |
| 13:08.37 | SynrG | cupantae: but again ... focused on the wrong command :) |
| 13:09.07 | cupantae | :) |
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| 13:09.27 | SynrG | (when find can't find a command, it just returns to the shell prompt ... no output) |
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| 13:11.03 | SynrG | cupantae: so, the aptitude output? any fglrx packages still hanging around on your system? |
| 13:11.17 | cupantae | yup |
| 13:11.48 | cupantae | ifglrx atieventsd 1:12-6=point-3 |
| 13:12.08 | cupantae | ifglrx-glx 1:12-6=point-3 |
| 13:12.18 | pcoder | Hi, I would like to understand what the following udev rule does? 'SUBSYSTEMS=="usb",ATTRS{product}=="My Passport 0730",KERNEL=="sd?1",NAME="Passport1T", SYMLINK="usbdevices/Passport1T"' |
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| 13:13.10 | pcoder | It does not contain the mount command but my device is mounted automatically. How is this happening? |
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| 13:13.30 | SynrG | cupantae: i would 'apt-get purge' all those if i were you |
| 13:13.49 | cupantae | ifglrx-glx-ia32 1:12-6=point-3,new line, fglrx-modules-dkms... 8 of tehm in total |
| 13:14.05 | SynrG | cupantae: it's the -dkms one in particular that's giving you trouble |
| 13:14.12 | cupantae | just enter purge? |
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| 13:16.56 | SynrG | cupantae: apt-get purge fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 13:17.02 | cupantae | k |
| 13:17.06 | SynrG | cupantae: list all the other packages in the same line |
| 13:17.18 | SynrG | there may be dependency issues otherwise. |
| 13:18.11 | SynrG | once this is done, the find command should not find any flgrx module. i think you didn't type it correctly the first time. that command is: |
| 13:18.45 | SynrG | <SynrG> find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'fglrx*.ko' |
| 13:19.10 | SynrG | if typed correctly, that should just return back to the command prompt with no output |
| 13:19.34 | cupantae | so i should apt-get purge (list names of all files seperated by spaces |
| 13:19.41 | SynrG | yes |
| 13:19.49 | SynrG | list names of all *packages* |
| 13:20.02 | cupantae | ;) |
| 13:20.02 | SynrG | the ones matching 'fglrx' in the name that we found are installed, that is ;) |
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| 13:20.59 | cupantae | do i need to type te version number or just the name of tha package? |
| 13:21.15 | cupantae | exactly as it came up in the search? |
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| 13:22.48 | SynrG | just the package names |
| 13:23.44 | SynrG | the simpler command that would just show current state, package name and description is: |
| 13:23.50 | SynrG | aptitude search ~ifglrx |
| 13:24.22 | SynrG | the reason i habitually use the versions command instead is because having the version info there is often more useful than the package description. that's all. |
| 13:24.29 | cupantae | ;) |
| 13:24.33 | SynrG | sorry if that was confusing |
| 13:25.08 | spyder | my debian system has stopped connecting to my windows phone while it was connecting perfectly before |
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| 13:25.17 | spyder | can anyone help me fix it? |
| 13:25.20 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:25.31 | SynrG | spyder: what changed? |
| 13:25.36 | cupantae | should i include libfglrx, libfglrx-amdvba1 and libgl1-fglrx-glx? |
| 13:25.49 | SynrG | cupantae: sure |
| 13:25.49 | nkuttler | cupantae: trying to build the kernel module? |
| 13:26.00 | cupantae | ;) |
| 13:26.03 | spyder | i don't know just one day before upgrading my phone it just stopped connecting |
| 13:26.09 | nkuttler | !fglrx dkms |
| 13:26.09 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 13:26.19 | SynrG | nkuttler: no ... |
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| 13:26.55 | Agiofws | is anyone here using debian with flashtool successfully to root his android phone? my error is http://codepad.org/Va0PfWFU can anyone help me? |
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| 13:27.13 | SynrG | nkuttler: here's the entire history. all cupantae wants is radeon 6450 support for HDMI audio. would prefer to use the free radeon driver if possible ... tried lots of things, including installing non-free fglrx & even AMD's installer ... |
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| 13:27.24 | SynrG | nkuttler: we're in the middle of unscrewing the system. |
| 13:27.43 | nkuttler | yeah, amd drivers are a mess.. |
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| 13:28.15 | SynrG | so first, we get it back to a sane state (with free radeon driver). then we investigate if the HDMI audio thing can be solved ... |
| 13:28.26 | SynrG | then investigate supported alternatives if it can't be. |
| 13:28.47 | SynrG | that's my approach. feel free to help if you have anything to add :) |
| 13:29.16 | ompaul | for your minimal version hdmi audio with firmware-linux-nonfree might sort that |
| 13:29.20 | cupantae | setting up gnome menus setting up gconf2 |
| 13:29.22 | ixela | SynrG: I've had similar levels of success with the windows drive, so who knows. |
| 13:29.26 | ixela | driver* |
| 13:29.31 | ixela | SynrG: for hdmi audio and amd cards. |
| 13:29.34 | ompaul | hdmi also needs to be turned on in some bios |
| 13:29.49 | ompaul | spent an hour before stumbling on that |
| 13:29.59 | cupantae | back to root@debian:~# |
| 13:30.04 | ixela | I've yet to encounter a good implementation |
| 13:30.16 | SynrG | ompaul: ouch. thanks for the tip |
| 13:30.30 | SynrG | cupantae: so yay? no fglrx anymore? |
| 13:30.36 | SynrG | cupantae: reboot and pray |
| 13:30.48 | ompaul | SynrG: where one hour later a director wanted to play a youtube video he made to some staff no pressure :-/ |
| 13:30.59 | SynrG | oh, sure |
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| 13:31.24 | ompaul | cupantae: init 6 << for reboot (that is your friend) |
| 13:31.28 | cupantae | fuck theres still 7 when i repeat the search command |
| 13:31.49 | ompaul | cupantae: the search will show them - but are they installed |
| 13:31.57 | ompaul | use apt-cache policy foo to find out |
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| 13:32.46 | spyder | SynrG: i don't know just one day before upgrading my phone it just stopped connecting |
| 13:32.48 | SynrG | ompaul: not the specific search i asked for ... |
| 13:32.52 | ompaul | ah |
| 13:32.53 | SynrG | not if it was typed properly |
| 13:32.58 | SynrG | aptitude search ~ifglrx |
| 13:33.04 | cupantae | ill try that |
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| 13:33.07 | ompaul | backscrolls |
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| 13:33.44 | SynrG | spyder: yeah, saw that. so, no changes to your system at all? |
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| 13:33.50 | cupantae | yep ill repeat that purge command |
| 13:34.28 | spyder | SynrG: none that should affect it like installing new software |
| 13:34.37 | cupantae | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.53 | SynrG | spyder: 'should' is the operative word |
| 13:34.53 | cupantae | when i prompted me for misspelling |
| 13:35.20 | ioudas | i have a kbdrate setting as a udev rule. kdbrate needs to be set by someone with /dev/port access which is the console user. how do i run that as the current console user? sudo -u doesnt apply it as the current console user. nor does setting any owner. Im open to any ideas on how to set the kbdrate for a keyboard when plugged in. |
| 13:35.38 | SynrG | cupantae: when you're done fixing spelling mistakes and purged them all, 'aptitude search ~ifglrx' should not return any packages |
| 13:35.55 | Agiofws | i really don't want to boot into windows to unlock my android phone |
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| 13:36.25 | spyder | SynrG: i installed only eagle and matlab |
| 13:36.47 | SynrG | Agiofws: we're still on that? i said, either you can build from source, or if you can't do that because you don't know how, then ask upstream (flashtool) for support making a package that actually works with debian wheezy |
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| 13:37.01 | SynrG | Agiofws: or find alternative software that does the same thing. |
| 13:37.40 | SynrG | Agiofws: does xperia need special software different from other android devices? i never used it. |
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| 13:37.45 | cupantae | none returned |
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| 13:37.59 | SynrG | Agiofws: i installed cyanogenmod on my samsung tablet just fine without flashtool. |
| 13:38.06 | cupantae | phfew |
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| 13:38.17 | SynrG | cupantae: great. i think we're ready to reboot at this point. |
| 13:38.17 | Agiofws | i tried to download the source some problem came up and compiling might lead me into other problems such as non compatible packages... |
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| 13:38.55 | SynrG | Agiofws: we can work through the errors one at a time. but you're *never* going to get the binary package to work on wheezy, that i can see, due to including embedded version of libusbx that's not binary compatible with wheezy. |
| 13:38.56 | Agiofws | SynrG, can i pm you ? |
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| 13:39.12 | SynrG | no. keep it here please. or paste.debian.net for large output |
| 13:39.18 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:39.20 | Agiofws | http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-u/general/guide-root-10-54c-1-0-89-firmware-t2243368 |
| 13:39.36 | Agiofws | the directions state out flashtool |
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| 13:39.56 | Agiofws | ok let me try dl the source |
| 13:40.04 | `ryban | :) |
| 13:40.06 | cupantae | should i reboot SynrG ? |
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| 13:40.16 | SynrG | cupantae: i think so. |
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| 13:40.26 | SynrG | Agiofws: the directions say either/or |
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| 13:40.42 | SynrG | no idea what bin4ry is ... |
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| 13:42.02 | SynrG | Agiofws: incidentally, i've hung around the CM community a bit and their opinion of Xperia seems to be pretty low :( |
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| 13:42.12 | gour | i'm moving my desktop from ext4/lvm2/raid1 (2 disks) into similar btrfs system. now i wonder what to do with swap: use eg. 2 partitions (one on each HD), setup raid0 from those 2 partitions or created raid1 for swap? |
| 13:42.23 | cupantae | thanks SynrG i have a login screen!! :D |
| 13:42.37 | SynrG | cupantae: yay! so at this point your graphics performance might suck ... |
| 13:42.41 | SynrG | cupantae: we're almost there, though. |
| 13:42.52 | SynrG | cupantae: apt-cache policy firmware-radeon |
| 13:42.56 | SynrG | cupantae: do you have that installed? |
| 13:43.08 | cupantae | it does but thats better than where i was, checking... |
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| 13:43.47 | cupantae | unable to locate package |
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| 13:44.10 | SynrG | ok. first, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'contrib non-free' to the end of your 'deb' lines |
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| 13:44.21 | somiaj | the radeon firmware is in the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 13:44.30 | SynrG | cupantae: using paste.debian.net to upload your edited file if you want us to proof it. |
| 13:44.55 | SynrG | oh, duh |
| 13:44.59 | Agiofws | SynrG, CM ? |
| 13:45.02 | cupantae | ok ill try log in on my debian's irc client too |
| 13:45.06 | SynrG | Agiofws: CyanogenMod |
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| 13:45.43 | SynrG | cupantae: yes. it will be more convenient from now on if you can :) |
| 13:45.43 | Agiofws | do you mean xperia devices ? is CyanogenMod a new OS for smart phones ? |
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| 13:45.54 | SynrG | Agiofws: 'new'? well, rather old ... |
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| 13:46.08 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:47.23 | SynrG | Agiofws: i would send you to #cyanogenmod for support except a) i don't know if your device is actually supported and b) if you think we're a tough crowd here, you haven't seen tough yet :) |
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| 13:48.15 | SynrG | Agiofws: anyway, do some research and see if that's the way you want to go. |
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| 13:49.58 | eric | hello |
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| 13:50.21 | Guest94280 | i have jsut installed a wheezy and then i noticed i got no sound |
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| 13:50.51 | Guest94280 | i have installed txo other debian with te Mate desktop environnment |
| 13:50.56 | Guest94280 | *two |
| 13:51.12 | Guest94280 | i was thinking the sound problem was coming from Mate |
| 13:51.29 | Guest94280 | but today i realize the problem is inside the wheezy |
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| 13:51.49 | Guest94280 | because i have installed it with the ugly gnome3 |
| 13:52.02 | Guest94280 | and even whith this shit i have sound problem |
| 13:52.24 | Guest94280 | ten years i 'm using debian, there was no problem before the wheezy |
| 13:52.41 | Guest94280 | so i wonder why i encouter this problem now |
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| 13:53.13 | xfce_user | hi, what is last version of Debian 6? |
| 13:54.19 | cupantae2 | http://paste.debian.net/94389/ |
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| 13:56.35 | xfce_user | hi, what is last version of Debian 6? |
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| 13:59.36 | SynrG | cupantae2: looks good. apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 13:59.48 | cupantae2 | cool thanks a mill |
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| 14:00.05 | Agiofws | thanks SynrG... |
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| 14:01.10 | ivanshmakov | As an aside, firmware-linux-nonfree is not part of the Debian proper. |
| 14:01.18 | cupantae2 | firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 14:01.20 | cupantae2 | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 14:01.20 | cupantae2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:02.21 | SynrG | xfce_user: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ |
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| 14:02.42 | cupantae2 | "Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them."? |
| 14:03.07 | xfce_user | SynrG, ok :) |
| 14:03.19 | SynrG | cupantae2: if you like |
| 14:03.38 | SynrG | Is performance OK? |
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| 14:04.51 | cupantae2 | yea seems great , the screen is maybe 10% undersized and i would like to try and get audio out over hdmi |
| 14:06.33 | SynrG | EDID problem |
| 14:06.53 | SynrG | Probably solvable with custom modelines |
| 14:07.03 | SynrG | The screen size thing i mean |
| 14:07.50 | SynrG | Let's see your /proc/asound/cards |
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| 14:08.07 | somiaj | if you are on a hdtv, could it be you have some 'zoom' setting set and need to change the hdtv settings to exact/scan or something like that so it doesn't zoom in |
| 14:09.35 | cupantae2 | good idea, it is. illl try that. just trying to get this /proc/asound/cards to open |
| 14:10.04 | cupantae2 | nos such file or directory |
| 14:10.28 | somiaj | cupantae2: 'cat /proc/asound/cards' doesn't have any output? What ya trying to open it with? |
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| 14:11.25 | cupantae2 | terminal , gedit |
| 14:11.38 | SynrG | Just cat |
| 14:11.41 | somiaj | you don't want to edit the file just see what is inside of it, cat is a nicer choice |
| 14:12.16 | cupantae2 | in terminal: "cat /proc/asound/cards" no such file or directory |
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| 14:12.52 | somiaj | cupantae2: this is strange, I would think that file should exist even if alsa didn't detect any sound cards |
| 14:13.26 | somiaj | cupantae2: maybe your proc dir isn't mounted for some silly reason, 'ls /proc' do you see lots of files in that dir |
| 14:13.38 | SynrG | e.g. http://paste.debian.net/94390/ |
| 14:13.50 | SynrG | On my radeon card |
| 14:14.19 | cupantae2 | http://paste.debian.net/94391/ |
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| 14:15.11 | somiaj | hmm I guess your sound card wasn't detected so no sound drivers loaded so no alsa stuff loaded either... |
| 14:15.31 | somiaj | cupantae2: lspci -vvv -- can we see that output or figure out what sound card(s) you have? |
| 14:17.14 | SynrG | Uhhhh … |
| 14:17.35 | SynrG | cupantae: no alsa at all? |
| 14:18.03 | somiaj | SynrG: well if his kernel didn't detect his sound card would soundcore or snd modules be loaded? |
| 14:18.26 | somiaj | I assume they are what sets up that /proc/asound directory |
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| 14:19.16 | cupantae2 | http://paste.debian.net/94394/ |
| 14:19.19 | SynrG | Is radeon HDMI the only sound device? That's … unusual |
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| 14:21.01 | SynrG | So no kennel driver. Great |
| 14:21.16 | cupantae2 | sounds good:D |
| 14:21.19 | SynrG | Try backports kernel next? |
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| 14:21.32 | SynrG | uname -a |
| 14:21.52 | cupantae2 | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:23.47 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 14:23.47 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 14:23.53 | somiaj | one second, let me see what my ati hdmi uses, though yea a 6000 series may be a bit new |
| 14:23.56 | SynrG | Do that |
| 14:24.32 | cupantae2 | bash: !bpo: event not found |
| 14:25.24 | somiaj | cupantae2: that was a command to the bot here |
| 14:25.53 | cupantae2 | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 14:26.08 | SynrG | The whole thing |
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| 14:26.15 | somiaj | On my ati laptop seems the HDMI sound card is connected the the intel_hda device, so I have modules like 'snd_hda_codec_hdmi' loaded and I don't think that will help him |
| 14:26.38 | SynrG | !wheezy-backports |
| 14:26.38 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 14:27.01 | SynrG | That is a prereq |
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| 14:27.29 | cupantae2 | add that to my sources? [ deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main ] ? |
| 14:27.45 | SynrG | Ya |
| 14:28.05 | SynrG | And apt-get update |
| 14:28.10 | somiaj | the wheezy firmware-linux-nonfree has firmware for up to the 7000 series so I am unsure if a backported kernel will actually help. But I guess it is worth a shot. |
| 14:28.24 | cupantae2 | saved |
| 14:29.08 | cupantae2 | then run => aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' ? |
| 14:30.05 | cupantae2 | ran apt-get update |
| 14:30.17 | somiaj | ,pciid 1103:aa98 |
| 14:30.18 | judd | [1103:aa98] is 'Unknown device' from 'HighPoint Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1103:aa98 |
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| 14:30.58 | somiaj | ,pciid 1787:aa98 |
| 14:31.00 | judd | [1787:aa98] is 'Unknown device' from 'Hightech Information System Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1787:aa98 |
| 14:31.07 | cupantae2 | thanks again for the help guys |
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| 14:31.38 | somiaj | I think that second one is the pciid of his hdmi audio device, not liking the sound of that |
| 14:32.29 | SynrG | ,pciid 1787:aa98 --release jessie |
| 14:32.30 | judd | [1787:aa98] is 'Unknown device' from 'Hightech Information System Ltd.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1787:aa98 |
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| 14:33.07 | SynrG | Hm |
| 14:33.08 | Cazzano | Hey, I found debian drivers for my brother all in one print and scan device on http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=de&lang=de&prod=dcp115c_eu_as&os=128&flang=English. What happens if I install these? Is this really everything I need or just the beginning? |
| 14:33.49 | Cazzano | oh btw: the printer is kind of supported by debian but the scanning part of it not. xscan doesnt find anything |
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| 14:35.09 | somiaj | Cazzano: there are some .deb scanner drivers there forsure, I'm unsure if they will work you can always try, just make sure you are careful and read the output so it doesn't do anything crazy to your system (they don't say what those .debs are made for, if they were made for ubuntu and you are on wheezy they probabaly won't work) |
| 14:35.14 | MFX | Cazzano, I've such a combo printer at home, using these drivers works fine for me, I can do manual and batch scans using simplescan, xscan... |
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| 14:36.24 | Cazzano | MFX you really have the same device? Brother DCP-115C at home? |
| 14:36.43 | MFX | Cazzano, wait, I gonna check :) |
| 14:36.58 | MFX | DCP-7025 |
| 14:37.05 | MFX | quite old |
| 14:37.18 | SynrG | cupantae: according to last judd output above, a backports kernel won't help |
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| 14:38.09 | Cazzano | somiaj, on the support site of brother I can only choose between .deb and .rpm :/ |
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| 14:38.49 | somiaj | Cazzano: That is the catch with deb's provided by third parties. If they can be satsfied with the version on your machine you should be fine, if they can't, well you have to ask them what they work on |
| 14:38.58 | MFX | Cazzano, but you should take care of the created /dev/* nodes permissions.. but all is explained in the Reame files from Brother |
| 14:39.08 | Cazzano | MFX In that case I will try to install those drivers on my live system now. If it works I know I can install debian for sure |
| 14:39.09 | somiaj | Cazzano: or just play trial and error again if it starts complaining about depends check the versions and if they can't be met just purge the package |
| 14:39.15 | cupantae2 | hmm atleast ive video out anyway |
| 14:39.30 | hejux | hello, i have a p7zip question, when i try to compress a dir to a zip file, the compressed zip file will include a file the same name as the dir name, this makes it unable to extract in Windows, it will fail because windows does not allow a file and a dir with the same name in the same dir. here is my test: http://paste.debian.net/94398/ |
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| 14:40.39 | Cazzano | MFX I thought the installation tool will take care of that. What problems could happen? |
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| 14:41.39 | somiaj | hejux: sounds like a ##windows problem. If you call the zip test7z-v0.1.zip does it then work? |
| 14:41.57 | cybrNaut | somiaj: youtube-dl was discontinued in wheezy |
| 14:42.09 | stemid | just a little observation about the openvpn page on the debian wiki, it seems to suggest generating diffie hellman data but its config never uses the tls-server option. is it not redundant to use dh then? |
| 14:43.06 | cupantae2 | any tips on resizing my screen output i dont have the option to zoom on my monitor |
| 14:43.25 | somiaj | cybrNaut: youtube-dl is just a script, install the sid version or download the script from upstream and run it from $HOME/bin just fine |
| 14:43.34 | somiaj | the script was just outdated in wheezy is all |
| 14:43.37 | somiaj | ,v youtube-dl |
| 14:43.38 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
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| 14:44.03 | SynrG | It fails the requirements for stable … |
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| 14:44.19 | Parabola | morning folks, we've got an unknown process spamming from www-data@FQDN. i've verified postfix isnt setup for relay and you must be authenticated. |
| 14:44.23 | SynrG | The YouTube api changes too much |
| 14:44.26 | hejux | somiaj: same happens. |
| 14:44.28 | Parabola | so i assume some php exploit was used |
| 14:44.39 | Parabola | how can i block www-data from being able to send mail? |
| 14:44.48 | Parabola | i'm googling, and not finding what im looking for |
| 14:45.01 | hejux | somiaj: why does 7z want to include a dir name as a file into the compressed zip file? |
| 14:45.06 | somiaj | yea youtube-dl is just a python script, thoguh seems it requires python 2.7 only for some reason. I'd personally suggest if you want to use it run it frhom $HOME |
| 14:45.18 | frostschutz | hejux, seems to work fine here, but in general it's absolutely possible to generate invalid zip files (or tar files for that matter), it's your responsibility to see that it's useful for your case |
| 14:45.33 | somiaj | hejux: no clue, I don't use zip files, I would maybe seek out support for the zip program |
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| 14:46.57 | MFX | Cazzano, just follow the documentation, and don't forget to plug the cable :) |
| 14:47.26 | hejux | frostschutz: i don't get you |
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| 14:48.55 | AciD` | is there a clean way to kill application which are locking the use of dpkg ? (error message : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)) |
| 14:49.01 | Cazzano | MFX honestly I dont know what I'm supposed to do. This tool (first entry) is just a script. I made it executable and clicked on it but nothing happened?! I thought it would be like a installation wizard and guide me. And the .deb for scanner driver..uhm..does debian not come with a manual package installer? |
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| 14:49.40 | SynrG | AciD`: first, lsof to find which application has it open |
| 14:49.41 | wols | AciD`: just kill. apt-get -f install should be the most to fix it if needed |
| 14:49.43 | somiaj | AciD`: that is usually a bad idea, Do you have another terminal or someone else using dpkg, or is the lock file not cleanly removed? |
| 14:49.49 | frostschutz | hejux, there is nothing wrong with the zip file and windows extracts it fine |
| 14:50.18 | SynrG | AciD`: i agree with somiaj |
| 14:50.28 | AciD` | somiaj > I didn't found any. I killed -15 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus, but still no luck |
| 14:50.51 | SynrG | xapian has nothing to do with it |
| 14:51.09 | wols | AciD`: synaptic, update manager, etc. those are the ones |
| 14:51.21 | AciD` | I see a `/usr/lib/apt/methods/http` using ps auxf |
| 14:51.42 | AciD` | I stopped an update in the middle to change the source.list |
| 14:51.44 | SynrG | lsof week tell you |
| 14:51.47 | AciD` | I guess that's it |
| 14:51.56 | SynrG | will* |
| 14:52.14 | SynrG | dpkg? |
| 14:52.50 | SynrG | Yeah, the http process should be killed too, then |
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| 14:52.56 | AciD` | SynrG > ok, found it with lsof |
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| 14:53.17 | AciD` | it was the updater script |
| 14:53.20 | AciD` | :) |
| 14:53.35 | AciD` | so to answer my own question, there is no clean way to do that :) |
| 14:54.13 | hejux | frostschutz: for isntance, if you try to use 7a for Linux or Mac to compress a folder "A", and here are c,d,e,f, four files in A, when you do "7z a test.zip", you will get a file, test.zip, when you do "7z l test.zip" to see the content, you will see there are A, A/c, A/d, A/e, A/f, total 5 files, is that right? |
| 14:54.53 | hejux | frostschutz: "7z a test.zip A", correction. |
| 14:56.42 | Cazzano | MFX I think I know whats wrong >.< |
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| 15:02.33 | xmj | hi there |
| 15:02.51 | xmj | is it possible to make dpkg extract a .deb's contents to /path/to/newmount ? |
| 15:03.06 | DrDamnit | What's the current, supported, LTS version of Debian? |
| 15:03.09 | xmj | so that it'll be extracted as /path/to/newmount/usr/bin/foo instead of /usr/bin/foo ? |
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| 15:07.35 | wols | DrDamnit: squeeze. it will be supported until 2016 |
| 15:07.58 | wols | DrDamnit: wheezy will probably depend how squeeze LTS will fare. e.g. if there is enoug manpower to do it |
| 15:08.23 | wols | xmj: yes it's possible. |
| 15:08.42 | wols | xmj: man dpkg. check -x option |
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| 15:09.43 | xmj | oh, great |
| 15:09.51 | xmj | didn't think we'd actually *have* that manpage. |
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| 15:11.23 | ioudas | i have a kbdrate setting as a udev rule. kdbrate needs to be set by someone with /dev/port access which is the console user. The udev rule works, and udec rule creates a lock file which the users .profile script reads then executes a kbdrate setting. The thing is when its run from .profile it will tell me the user doesnt have /dev/port open. I cannot get the script to run in .bashrc.... any help would be appreciated |
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| 15:13.31 | stemid | ugh apparently debian compiles openvpn without iproute, headache... |
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| 15:13.47 | stemid | so there is no way to run openvpn server unprivileged on debian? |
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| 15:16.31 | DrDamnit | wols: thx |
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| 15:21.03 | silverex | noticed a bug on localepurge, apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-mising install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u) it misses one 's' when localepurge plays on terminal |
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| 15:21.19 | Mikaela | reportbug localepurge |
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| 15:22.01 | stemid | huh nevermind me, apparently iproute works on jessie but on wheezy it's not required to run openvpn unprivileged. |
| 15:24.03 | mjt | stemid: it is unlikely that anything changed between wheezy and jessie wrt permissions to run network or iproute commands. |
| 15:24.13 | sandman13 | on grub the max resolution (as seen in vbeinfo) is 1024x768 but the actual display resolution (as shown by KDE's Display and Monitor) is 1366x768, is this normal? |
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| 15:27.57 | rawrmonster | Is there anyway to be able to play most types of video files with out closed source software? |
| 15:29.23 | stemid | mjt: I can't say but openvpn on jessie is compiled with iproute so that means you can follow the openvpn docs more verbatim. while on wheezy you can apparently skip the iproute step from the openvpn docs and still get away with an unprivileged server process. |
| 15:29.40 | mjt | you can't compile anything with iproute :) |
| 15:29.50 | stemid | enable_iproute2=yes |
| 15:30.01 | stemid | that's from jessie |
| 15:30.08 | mjt | it can be compiled to use iproute, yes. makes sense |
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| 15:30.31 | mjt | everything slowly moves from the old ifconfig/route/etc to ip |
| 15:30.42 | mjt | but the two has the same permission requiriments |
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| 15:31.04 | stemid | either way I prefer jessie then because most people will find the official openvpn docs first and try to follow them. on wheezy that produces an error. |
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| 15:32.52 | Cazzano | Does anybody know a package called brscanX ? I cant find it |
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| 15:40.03 | Cazzano | MFX did you need something called brscanx for your old printer? |
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| 15:47.44 | MFX | Cazzano, I guess that X in brscanx stands for the version, I've a brscan2 installed on my computer. The Brother support website should tell you which version you should use |
| 15:48.53 | Cazzano | MFX I did everything but it didnt work: invalid argument when starting the printer |
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| 15:52.07 | MFX | Cazzano, sorry, I'm not a Brother nor scanner specialist, I just followed the documentation from Brother and it works quite fine. |
| 15:52.48 | Cazzano | MFX nah.. I was just curious |
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| 16:54.03 | Xion345 | Hi |
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| 16:54.34 | Xion345 | I'd like to know if someone here would be willing to help with setting up an arm64 (aarch64) chroot |
| 16:54.54 | Xion345 | I have followed the instructions here : https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Qemu |
| 16:55.09 | Xion345 | But schroot reports Failed to execute “/bin/bash”: No such file or directory |
| 16:55.27 | Xion345 | Of course /bin/bash does exist in the shell |
| 16:55.54 | Xion345 | I wonder if I've properly setup qemu/binfmts/whatsoever to run aarch64 binaries |
| 16:55.55 | ioudas | i have a kbdrate setting as a udev rule. kdbrate needs to be set by someone with /dev/port access which is the console user. The udev rule works, and udec rule creates a lock file which the users .profile script reads then executes a kbdrate setting. The thing is when its run from .profile it will tell me the user doesnt have /dev/port open. I cannot get the script to run in .bashrc.... any help would be appreciated |
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| 16:56.07 | melt7777 | Is it possible to achieve Killer E2200 lan support (alx) in the 3.2.0-4 kernel without upgrading to 3.12+ kernels?! |
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| 16:56.23 | melt7777 | i have added the firmware packages from jessie repo |
| 16:56.30 | hoxu | I'm still looking for any troubleshooting tips at all for why my mouse stops working after a while in X (works for a while after replugging too) |
| 16:58.06 | mtn | hoxu: you have checked out flaky mouse, connections and power supply (if it applies), of course |
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| 16:58.37 | hoxu | mtn, it works on another wheezy box |
| 16:58.49 | mtn | hoxu: what kind of connection? |
| 16:58.54 | hoxu | USB |
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| 16:59.04 | mtn | hoxu: checked out all the usb ports? |
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| 16:59.30 | hoxu | mtn, some, the thing is, if it works at first, I doubt it's the physical connection |
| 16:59.43 | mtn | hoxu: well, I doubt it is linux related ;) |
| 17:00.05 | mtn | hoxu: but, who knows? |
| 17:00.18 | hoxu | mtn, and I doubt that evaluation is right... unless insinuate that anything stemming from hardware differences is not linux-related :) |
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| 17:02.35 | hoxu | the mouse works in bios without issues too |
| 17:02.53 | melt7777 | can i just install a compat-drivers upgrade to add it in? |
| 17:03.01 | melt7777 | i need the atl1c in addition to alx |
| 17:03.19 | mtn | hoxu: I had a similar problem and a different usb port solved it. |
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| 17:13.17 | hoxu | mtn, thanks for the tip, the mouse seems to work in one usb port, but not in two other - I find this really weird, any idea what's the reason? |
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| 17:13.42 | mtn | hoxu: honestly, no idea at all! |
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| 17:14.23 | hoxu | mtn, that port works in bios (it has mouse support too), and I don't think those ports are broken per se, so is this some kind of conflict with some other hardware, interrupts or something? |
| 17:14.41 | hoxu | I'm puzzled |
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| 17:21.51 | sanchez_ | Newbie question... " Add the following line to SSL section of the httpd.conf (assuming /etc/httpd/conf is the directory to where you have copied the ca.txt file). If the line already exists, amend it to read the following:" |
| 17:22.06 | sanchez_ | I have apache installed... but there's no /etc/httpd/ folder |
| 17:22.45 | dutchfish | sanchez_, its /etc/apache2/ and further on debian |
| 17:23.02 | sanchez_ | thank you :) |
| 17:23.32 | sanchez_ | so modify apache2.conf instead? |
| 17:24.24 | sanchez_ | I put the ca.txt in /etc/apache2 |
| 17:25.23 | dutchfish | sanchez_, https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp and for ssl https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 17:25.26 | gregor2 | hi |
| 17:25.37 | gregor2 | how can i automatically run a script at boot? |
| 17:25.45 | silverex | debian is the best |
| 17:26.00 | sanchez_ | dutchfish: it's not selfsigned |
| 17:26.07 | ivanshmakov | gregor2: You may wish to check $ man 5 crontab for @reboot. |
| 17:26.35 | ivanshmakov | (Especially if the script should be run as non-root user.) |
| 17:27.16 | dutchfish | sanchez_, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html |
| 17:27.26 | sanchez_ | I don't even see a ssl section in apache2.conf I guess i'll add it anyway |
| 17:27.36 | sanchez_ | thanks i'll take a look |
| 17:27.50 | dutchfish | !ssl |
| 17:27.50 | dpkg | Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
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| 17:28.15 | hoxu | sanchez_, check out /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.conf |
| 17:28.17 | dutchfish | mm... that was not what i was looking for in the factoids |
| 17:28.24 | sanchez_ | thanks hoxu |
| 17:28.31 | sanchez_ | seems like i need to go in #apache |
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| 17:29.29 | hoxu | sanchez_, depends on your goals, each distro has a bit different apache configuration, for example the cert configuration |
| 17:29.31 | sanchez_ | hoxu it's in mods-available |
| 17:29.38 | sanchez_ | the ssl.conf |
| 17:29.44 | sanchez_ | should I put my ca.txt in there? |
| 17:29.53 | hoxu | !a2enmod |
| 17:29.53 | dpkg | a2enmod enables or disables an apache2 module |
| 17:30.06 | sanchez_ | meh i guess i need to enable the module some how |
| 17:30.07 | sanchez_ | yeah |
| 17:30.18 | sanchez_ | !info a2enmod |
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| 17:31.04 | hoxu | sanchez_, just a2enmod ssl |
| 17:31.06 | gregor2 | but where are the other scripts located which starting at bootup? |
| 17:31.12 | gregor2 | for example apache? |
| 17:31.23 | ahmadgbg | Hi, which channel can i ask about server hardware? |
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| 17:31.45 | hoxu | gregor2, system services use init scripts, what's your actual problem? |
| 17:31.49 | dutchfish | gregor2, /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:31.52 | Walex | ahmadgbg: ##hardware unless it is something about Debian drivers for example. |
| 17:32.10 | sanchez_ | hoxu that worked thanks :) |
| 17:32.11 | Walex | ahmadgbg: ##hardware is fairly active. |
| 17:32.23 | ahmadgbg | Walex: ok thanks :D |
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| 17:32.50 | gregor2 | so i can create a script there and it will run automatically at startup? |
| 17:32.51 | hoxu | sanchez_, as for where ca.txt goes, we'd love to hear what file it actually is before answering |
| 17:33.14 | gregor2 | and can i declarate a user on whitch the script is getting runned? |
| 17:33.17 | hoxu | gregor2, you still failed to describe what problem you are actually trying to solve - init script may be wrong answer depending on your use case |
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| 17:33.51 | hoxu | gregor2, for stuff run as regular user, see what ivanshmakov said |
| 17:33.58 | gregor2 | i have a server software for the game minecraft and want to run it automatically at boot! |
| 17:34.07 | sanchez_ | hoxu: I combined COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt, COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt, and AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt in a text file named ca.txt |
| 17:34.19 | hoxu | gregor2, ok, that definitely belongs to crontab, so man 5 crontab, check the @reboot part |
| 17:34.30 | sanchez_ | hoxu: The instructions say: Copy the ca.txt file to the same directory as httpd.conf (this contains all of the CA certificates in the chain). |
| 17:34.32 | sanchez_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.50 | hoxu | gregor2, crontab of the user you run the game as - you should create a separate account for it if you can |
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| 17:36.07 | sanchez_ | Should I add "SSLCACertificateFile /etc/httpd/conf/ca.txt" to apache2.conf and place the ca.txt in that path? |
| 17:36.18 | sanchez_ | err i'll edit the path to reflect apache2 sorry |
| 17:36.30 | hoxu | sanchez_, seems like intermediate certificate file to me, right? https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcertificatechainfile |
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| 17:36.47 | `ryban | Happy Easter Friday everyone :) |
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| 17:38.33 | sanchez_ | the private key is in a folder only accesible by root (/etc/ssl/private/domain_com.key) and the public key is in /etc/ssl/certs/domain_com.crt) |
| 17:38.40 | tables | how do i get rid of a package cleanly? everything including configs and what not |
| 17:38.50 | sanchez_ | I then combined COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt, COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt, and AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt in a text file named ca.txt |
| 17:39.05 | hoxu | !tell tables about purge |
| 17:39.12 | sanchez_ | then I enabled ssl with apache as you instructed |
| 17:39.27 | ioudas | does anyone think they can help me with this udev rule? http://serverfault.com/questions/589987/udev-set-kdbrate-settings-on-linux-with-console-users-issue |
| 17:39.30 | sanchez_ | now I have no idea where to play this ca.txt and where to add SSLCACertificateFile /etc/apache2/conf/ca.txt |
| 17:39.33 | sanchez_ | -place |
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| 17:46.02 | sanchez_ | hoxu: does that seem right so far? |
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| 17:53.31 | sanchez_ | Can anyone read up and help? |
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| 17:56.41 | ioudas | sanchez_, people in debian arent here to help. they are like abrotman. Who give you an irc ban for pressing enter when talking too many times. |
| 17:56.58 | wols | sanchez_ you want to use a self signed certificate or something you got from a CA? |
| 17:57.30 | wols | ioudas: and with your attitude, you seriously expect us to help you? |
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| 17:57.55 | ioudas | i dont expect it |
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| 17:58.28 | wols | then I wonder why you even ask |
| 17:59.05 | ioudas | in the off chance someone isnt like most people here. |
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| 18:02.01 | ioudas | honestly, with your attitude it makes it clear youd rather be concerned like abrotman about how people act and bend over instead of providing solutions to problems and knowledge. Which is the worst attitude. |
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| 18:03.10 | mtn | ioudas: I personally will help anyone I can if I know the answer, but I really don't need to help ungrateful freeloaders. |
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| 18:03.50 | ioudas | solutions usually make people grateful. banning people due to their enter count isnt really going to make someone grateful |
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| 18:04.13 | mtn | ioudas: you should get your money back |
| 18:04.15 | wols | it makes the rest of the channel grateful since it reduces noise and enhances signal |
| 18:04.43 | sanchez_ | wols: from a CA |
| 18:05.07 | wols | if there is a crowd of 1500 people, and one guy repeatedly shouts, then it's a good thing when this guy gets silenced for the benefit of all |
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| 18:05.14 | sanchez_ | wols: I'm going to try placing SSLCertificateFile /etc/ssl/crt/yourdomainname.crt SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/ssl/crt/private.key SSLCACertificateFile /etc/httpd/conf/ca.txt in apache2.conf hopefully it wowrks |
| 18:05.14 | ioudas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.21 | sanchez_ | obviously i'll edit the paths\filenames |
| 18:05.23 | ompaul | ioudas: if you have a question you could ask it with the usual terms and conditions, >>> /msg dpkg ask <<< for details - else I point you at the topic |
| 18:05.34 | sanchez_ | maybe it'll work w/e |
| 18:06.02 | wols | sanchez_: what is ca.txt? |
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| 18:07.00 | wols | sanchez_: you should put both into the same place and then edit the site configuration file for apache to link to these files. https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate look at step 4 there |
| 18:07.06 | sanchez_ | ca.txt is the combination of 3 crt files by COMODO |
| 18:07.14 | ompaul | wols: [18/04/14 18:34:07] <sanchez_> hoxu: I combined COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt, COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt, and AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt in a text file named ca.txt |
| 18:07.15 | sanchez_ | they said to chain them |
| 18:07.18 | sanchez_ | yes those 3 |
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| 18:10.27 | sdes | Hi guys |
| 18:10.45 | sdes | This is my output when playing a file in mpv http://pastebin.com/hXJaU5yi |
| 18:10.53 | sdes | I am having trouble with hardware acceleration |
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| 18:11.18 | sdes | I am not sure what "ELF file OS ABI invalid" means |
| 18:11.31 | sdes | Does anybody know what to do? |
| 18:12.11 | ompaul | sdes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7647818/glibc-elf-file-os-abi-invalid |
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| 18:12.49 | ompaul | sdes: some of your stack is not working with some of your stack |
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| 18:13.12 | sdes | So I have to update my C library? |
| 18:13.13 | ompaul | oil and water ... turn them all to oil or water ;-) |
| 18:13.16 | ompaul | no |
| 18:13.25 | ompaul | you may have to |
| 18:13.36 | ompaul | sdes: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:13.40 | sdes | Stable |
| 18:13.52 | sdes | Linux Thinkpad 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:14.14 | sdes | I think the lastest of stable |
| 18:14.35 | ompaul | to insure that first apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:14.39 | wols | and where is your vdpau from? or your videocard drivers in general? |
| 18:14.50 | centrx | libvdpau_r600.so from outer space |
| 18:15.32 | sdes | Um there were the ones by default and yesterday I installed linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 18:15.39 | sdes | (or however it's called) |
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| 18:16.32 | ompaul | sdes: what default - debian or ati |
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| 18:17.21 | sdes | Well, first I only had the drivers that are in default with Debian, the freedom-respecting ones, and yesterday I installed also the ATI ones |
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| 18:17.30 | sdes | which are proprietary |
| 18:17.39 | ompaul | do you think that might have had something to do with the problem |
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| 18:18.28 | sdes | I have no idea. I don't know a lot about this. |
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| 18:20.00 | sdes | Is there anything I should try? |
| 18:20.25 | ompaul | I'd guess (but don't know) that is where the problem lies |
| 18:21.02 | sdes | How can I know if I have both drivers installed? |
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| 18:21.48 | ompaul | you only use one of them, did you complete the install of the ati ones correctly? |
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| 18:23.04 | sdes | I think so. |
| 18:23.08 | sdes | Anyway to check? |
| 18:23.29 | ompaul | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:23.55 | ompaul | read it all before you react |
| 18:24.22 | sdes | let me check |
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| 18:26.59 | cupantae2 | hi lads im looking to slightly move my screen to the right on my monitor. I cant seem to find a tutorial that dumbs it down enough. any ideas presume its something i need to do in xrandr. Im using wheezy |
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| 18:27.36 | cupantae2 | and i cant get my monitor to shift the display... |
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| 18:29.12 | sdes | Okay I'm going to restart and see if it works! |
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| 18:33.26 | mortal1 | Has anyone here had any luck installing debian on a disk encrypted with whole disk encryption? |
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| 18:33.55 | mortal1 | i.e. reusing the / and keeping the /home? |
| 18:33.58 | remote | why does debian start nfs-common and rpcbind by default? |
| 18:34.49 | mjt | to allow usage of nfs |
| 18:35.04 | mjt | those are needed for nfs _client_ too |
| 18:35.12 | mortal1 | Re-using existing partitions is easy when their not encrypted, but I'm not sure the debian installer would play nice with existing encrypted partitions |
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| 18:40.00 | zykotick9 | mortal1: i don't think reusing encrypted disks is a good idea (i believe, this is why the installer "erases" partitions when using encrypted, by default) |
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| 18:41.43 | remote | i'm curious because it's always the first thing i disable after a fresh install |
| 18:41.52 | remote | then again i don't use nfs client |
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| 18:43.21 | mjt | remote: you can most likely remove them |
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| 18:43.31 | mjt | (provided nothing depends on them) |
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| 18:44.06 | remote | i always stop and disable them |
| 18:45.43 | mortal1 | zykotick9: but then I lose everything under /home, which is like 400gb of data :( |
| 18:46.17 | zykotick9 | mortal1: with that much data, i'd strongly suggest using a separate /home partition in future... YMMV |
| 18:46.56 | mortal1 | zykotick9: no that's what I'm trying to say, I have a seperate /,/home,/boot partitions |
| 18:47.37 | mortal1 | All I care about is re-using the home partition |
| 18:47.39 | DrFoo | I'm seeing a small ! in the lower right corner of my screen, is that an update indicator or an error? |
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| 18:49.09 | zykotick9 | DrFoo: gnome3? i believe that means there are updates available, or it's another notification of some sort? (i don't use gnome3, but i've recently seen that on my mom's system who uses it) |
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| 19:00.14 | Walex | cupantae2: not in 'xrandr'. If what you want to do is that you want to shift the image left or right |
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| 19:38.29 | EPiSKiNG- | can someone please tell me why my crontab is failing? |
| 19:38.45 | sanchez_ | to help prevent some ssh bruteforce attacks what should i install? sshguard? |
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| 19:38.55 | EPiSKiNG- | Apr 18 19:38:01 raspberrypi /USR/SBIN/CRON[2591]: (root) CMD (root^I/root/cgmon.tcl >/dev/null 2>&1) |
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| 19:39.33 | SlaSerX | sanchez_ ssguard with fail2ban |
| 19:39.34 | SlaSerX | :) |
| 19:39.55 | rawrmonster | If i have installed lightdm and xfce on my debian install how do i stop debian from loading programs when i first login that were open when i shutdown the machine? |
| 19:40.09 | sanchez_ | so install them both slaserx? |
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| 19:40.43 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: I'd tend to assume that the crontab you're modifying does not have a "run as this user" field; remote the ... root<tab> and retry? |
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| 19:40.55 | EPiSKiNG- | ok |
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| 19:41.09 | EPiSKiNG- | then i can do sudo /root/cgmon.tcl as the command |
| 19:41.12 | EPiSKiNG- | that should work right? |
| 19:41.41 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: or you could wait worst-case two minutes and just see what happens per the same logfile |
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| 19:42.14 | EPiSKiNG- | Apr 18 19:42:01 raspberrypi /USR/SBIN/CRON[2631]: (root) CMD (sudo /root/cgmon.tcl >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 19:42.18 | EPiSKiNG- | looks much better |
| 19:42.22 | sdf10809 | does anyone know of a way to get hot corners in debian like mac os and elementary os. i've heard of skippyxd but that program is unstable and crashes stops working at random |
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| 19:42.35 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: sudo should not be necessary |
| 19:42.39 | EPiSKiNG- | k |
| 19:42.53 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: I'm assuming that (root) from the log line means - this is the root user's crontab |
| 19:43.01 | EPiSKiNG- | ahhh |
| 19:43.05 | EPiSKiNG- | good point |
| 19:43.07 | EPiSKiNG- | Thank you sir! |
| 19:43.20 | xingu | np. |
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| 19:44.18 | EPiSKiNG- | xingu: worked |
| 19:44.20 | EPiSKiNG- | thanks again |
| 19:45.28 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: personally I use something like daemontools as a wrapper to keep long-lived things up then use a shellscript loop w/ locking; it's overkill/overengineering for sure, but can solve a host of unanticipated problems. |
| 19:46.17 | xingu | EPiSKiNG-: so daemonizer/service manager -> shellscript loop -> "something that needs running on <60min interval" |
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| 19:52.46 | sanchez_ | I can't even ssh to the box after installing sshguard oh bo |
| 19:52.47 | sanchez_ | y |
| 19:52.52 | sanchez_ | what happened? |
| 19:53.00 | sanchez_ | I followed this tutorial: http://www.sshguard.net/docs/setup/firewall/netfilter-iptables/ |
| 19:55.07 | sanchez_ | err i mean ssh ftp |
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| 20:05.06 | dym | Hey everyone. What's the preferred method for loadbalancing & replicating mysql databases? Has anyone had experience with galera cluster? |
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| 20:08.54 | martianlobster | Could someone tell me what the yellow and blue areas in htop mean? http://acumensoftwareinc.com/htop.png |
| 20:09.12 | martianlobster | also what does the read area in cpu usage mean? |
| 20:09.45 | LV-426 | martianlobster, press '?' and find out yourself |
| 20:09.48 | martianlobster | If I am runnig cpuminer, the cpu bar will be completely blue. What does the blue mean? |
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| 20:10.42 | martianlobster | ok cool |
| 20:10.58 | martianlobster | never knew about ? before |
| 20:10.58 | martianlobster | thkx |
| 20:12.20 | martianlobster | I don't know what buffers and cache refer in the conext of memory usage. Buffers and cache for what? |
| 20:13.28 | martianlobster | perhaps google will answer this for me |
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| 20:14.22 | martianlobster | refers to file io http://acumensoftwareinc.com/htop.png |
| 20:14.39 | martianlobster | tackoverflow.com/questions/6345020/linux-memory-buffer-vs-cache |
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| 20:17.23 | mad_hatter | what it do play playas |
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| 20:20.35 | deego | Hi. In debian DSA's, what is a "regression?" |
| 20:21.10 | deego | ah, dpkg knows |
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| 20:35.14 | JasonWoof | povray finally made it to main! |
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| 20:36.04 | JasonWoof | I heard that they were working on fixing their license |
| 20:36.35 | JasonWoof | I'm excited because a game I helped build (vor) has been consigned to contrib because its graphics are rendered with povray |
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| 20:37.18 | kevix | anyone know what is required to package node-webkit for Debian? |
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| 20:37.52 | JasonWoof | maybe that'll motivate me to finish joystick support and make a new release |
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| 20:39.14 | JasonWoof | also, if anybody has tips for getting NM to notice when I'm offline and reconnect that would be great. I can always ping the router, but frequently I can't access internet until I send another: nmcli d wifi connect ... |
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| 20:39.35 | somiaj | kevix: first you need someone to make the package that compiles with debian standards. Then that person (if they aren't already a debian matainer) will need a sponsor (to upload the package to the debian archives) and possibaly a mentor to help them make the package compily to debian standards |
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| 20:39.46 | somiaj | kevix: you could try making your own package though |
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| 20:40.39 | kevix | somiaj: I understand the basic debian principles about making packages. I;m talking about specific details that relate to that packakge. |
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| 20:41.42 | somiaj | kevix: if you are trying to make one yourself, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be able to help ya with paticular details as you run into them. |
| 20:42.01 | kevix | that is a good idea, somiaj |
| 20:42.54 | kevix | somiaj: this might be interesting: http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/newdebian2.png |
| 20:43.53 | happytux_ | hi |
| 20:44.00 | happytux_ | How can I install Java 1.7 on Debian Wheezy? |
| 20:44.13 | happytux_ | java version is currently "1.6.0_27" |
| 20:44.15 | happytux_ | I need 1.7 |
| 20:44.26 | happytux_ | Is there an official or at least sane way to get java 1.7? |
| 20:44.29 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:44.45 | Posterdati | is there anyone using freecad on wheezy? I'd like to know how install it |
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| 20:46.07 | happytux_ | damn |
| 20:46.15 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 20:46.16 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u51-2.4.6-1; sid: 7u55-2.4.7-1 |
| 20:46.17 | kevix | I havent checked, but there might be a 'backport' of these packages. |
| 20:46.24 | somiaj | happytux_: install that package ^^ |
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| 20:47.46 | somiaj | kevix: if you want details of tools, read the debian new matainers guide first |
| 20:48.03 | kevix | I dont mean tools |
| 20:48.39 | somiaj | well it also has a lot of debian policy in there (the paticulars that you need to adhear too) |
| 20:49.07 | JasonWoof | happytux_: sid has 1.7 |
| 20:49.25 | kevix | there are debian packages of ruby gems and you can install gems, as an example. |
| 20:49.30 | somiaj | JasonWoof: so does wheezy |
| 20:49.42 | somiaj | JasonWoof: suggestion someone upgrade to sid from wheezy is not good advise (: |
| 20:49.46 | happytux_ | somiaj: thanks |
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| 20:49.55 | kevix | there is also the policy of making libraries dynamic vs includig a copy in a binary. |
| 20:49.57 | happytux_ | thank you |
| 20:50.11 | JasonWoof | happytux_: somiaj: certainly don't switch to sid without knowing what you're doing |
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| 20:50.44 | kevix | switching streams of debian or mixing streams is not advised unless you know what will happen. |
| 20:50.58 | JasonWoof | don't cross the streams! |
| 20:51.04 | kevix | yeah:) |
| 20:51.11 | happytux_ | ok |
| 20:51.14 | happytux_ | :) |
| 20:51.19 | JasonWoof | "that would be bad" |
| 20:51.37 | somiaj | which is why telling someone that 'foo is in sid' when they are running wheezy is bad advise, they may just try to install said foo from sid without realizing that. |
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| 20:52.12 | kevix | well unless they add sid to their sources.list, it wouldnt work |
| 20:52.34 | JasonWoof | somiaj, happytux_: looks to me like wheezy has 1.6: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/default-jre |
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| 20:52.55 | somiaj | the number of people who do that is actually quite high, and they probabaly do that because they hear someoen say well what you want is in sid. |
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| 20:53.01 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 20:53.02 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u51-2.4.6-1; sid: 7u55-2.4.7-1 |
| 20:53.11 | somiaj | JasonWoof: ^^ it is in wheezy and wheezy-security |
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| 20:53.18 | JasonWoof | somiaj: yeah, good point. I'll try not to do that |
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| 20:53.38 | somiaj | he hopefully has security repos and should get the nice patched version (: |
| 20:53.52 | agh_ | hi. If a new version of a package is released in unstable, how long will it take before it is included in the backports of said package? |
| 20:53.55 | JasonWoof | cool |
| 20:53.57 | happytux_ | But using openjdk-7-jre is right? |
| 20:54.26 | somiaj | happytux_: correct that is openjdk version 7. If you need the non-free java you have to get it from oracle and look at 'java-package' package to make it fit with debian |
| 20:54.35 | JasonWoof | agh_: backports are done manually when someone decides it's important enough to work on |
| 20:54.43 | kevix | yeah. |
| 20:54.44 | happytux_ | ok |
| 20:54.45 | somiaj | happytux_: tl;dr -- install openjdk-7-jre first, see if it fits your need |
| 20:54.47 | JasonWoof | agh_: there's no schedule, and sometimes "never", depending on the package |
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| 20:55.08 | happytux_ | I have to change the java path. |
| 20:55.15 | happytux_ | Because it uses the other java bin. |
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| 20:55.36 | kevix | all new versions of software go into 'sid/unstable', typically they then go to testing and then stable. |
| 20:55.38 | somiaj | happytux_: I belive you can use the update-alternatives system to set which is default. I don't know the detals off the top of my head |
| 20:55.52 | kevix | backports are not part of that path |
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| 20:56.01 | agh_ | yes, what I mean is how long does it take assuming the backports mantainer does this |
| 20:56.22 | somiaj | and wheezy-backports some from jessie packages, so usually sometime after it drops in jessie (if at all). Depends on the package, the popularaity, and the ease of the backport. |
| 20:56.48 | somiaj | agh_: the standard debian answer, 'when it is ready' again to many variables to even guess if we don't know the package. |
| 20:56.51 | JasonWoof | agh_: you mean how long between when when someone creates a backported package and when you see it with apt-get update? |
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| 20:57.50 | kevix | backports is a way of getting selected newer versions that were not part of stable but might be useful with the depenedncies of stable. |
| 20:58.20 | kevix | agh_: you can try to make a 'backport' yourself |
| 20:58.26 | agh_ | the time between the release of a new version in unstable and the time is available in the backports, assuming the mantainer backports this version as soon as it's out |
| 20:58.49 | happytux_ | It works now, thanks |
| 20:58.53 | agh_ | kevix: I may be interested in this |
| 20:59.08 | JasonWoof | agh_: depends how long it takes said maintainer to do the work. |
| 20:59.14 | kevix | agh_: if you dont mind saying, what package? |
| 20:59.33 | agh_ | libreoffice-mysql-connector |
| 20:59.43 | kevix | oh. interesting. |
| 20:59.50 | agh_ | JasonWoof: just assume as soon as it's out |
| 21:00.23 | JasonWoof | agh_: that is not an amount of time |
| 21:00.29 | kevix | I think in that case, you might try to compile it yourself with the dependencies in stable |
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| 21:00.46 | nell | hey how stable is jessie daily right now |
| 21:00.58 | kevix | backports are suppose to be vetted so they dont break millons of computers |
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| 21:02.09 | JasonWoof | I haven't used backports yet, but I'd expect a particular version of whatever to arrive in backports only if it's very popular, if having a newer version is important to lots of people, and many months have gone by since that version was released |
| 21:02.09 | agh_ | JasonWoof: I mean is it needed to wait at least 10 days for the unstable to pass in testing, and then be backported? |
| 21:02.14 | kevix | nell: the name stable, testing and unstable are about how often they get updates, not how often software crashes. |
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| 21:03.16 | kevix | agh_: accodring to debian policy, 10 days is the standard for 'normal' bugs. there are other priorities |
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| 21:03.36 | JasonWoof | nell: I've been running sid on my desktop for years, updating approximately daily, and have had very few problems... but I have had some, and certainly wouldn't recommend sid for a server |
| 21:03.43 | kittonian | anyone here familiar with testdisk? need some help with the results i'm seeing |
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| 21:04.17 | CygniX | please guide, I am having a hard time installing cluebringer 2.1.x. the installation failed, and I can't remove neither 2.0.x or 2.1.x http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f1d6fe91/ |
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| 21:04.51 | agh_ | kevix: should I refer to https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation to create the backport myself? |
| 21:05.08 | agh_ | just for my use by me |
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| 21:05.33 | nell | I'm a power user |
| 21:05.38 | nell | not a hardcore debian developer |
| 21:05.40 | kevix | agh_: I havent looked at the page, but that sounds like a good idea. |
| 21:05.41 | nell | should I opt for testing? |
| 21:05.53 | JasonWoof | agh_: I don't know if there are any mandatory or customary wait times. I'm not very knowledgeable about this, but I think most packages never get backported, and I'd guess (stab in the dark) most packages that are backported are backported many months later (like 5-20 months). |
| 21:06.06 | kevix | agh_: I've compiled many packages with the help of apt-file and the -dev packages |
| 21:06.40 | kevix | JasonWoof: that is a reasonible assumption |
| 21:06.57 | agh_ | kevix: Do you know of other howtos similar to the one I linked to? I'm new to this |
| 21:07.26 | JasonWoof | nell: there isn't wholesale agreement on this, but many people advice to run either stable or unstable. And only run testing if you plan to migrate to the next stable |
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| 21:08.49 | kevix | agh_: that looks good to try. I just made a binary and not a deb package |
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| 21:08.58 | JasonWoof | agh_: if you only need that program on one or two machines, you can also compile from source, and install it in your home directory (or anywhere besides the base system). Sometimes it's not worth the extra work of making a package. Other times, making the package is less work because it's easier to take advantage of the work done by debian packagers |
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| 21:10.52 | kittonian | anyone? really need some assistance with testdisk |
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| 21:12.27 | JasonWoof | kittonian: you could post the output (it is text based right?) on a paste bin and link it here. Sometimes folks here are kind enough to take a look and try to hlep |
| 21:12.52 | JasonWoof | kittonian: paste.debian.net works nicely |
| 21:12.56 | CygniX | I am trying to install cluebringer from (http://download.policyd.org/v2.1.x-201310261831) because it has ipv6 support, and encountering this error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a3a37d22/ |
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| 21:14.39 | JasonWoof | CygniX: weird... you have mysql installed and running? |
| 21:14.54 | CygniX | JasonWoof: using postgres, no mysql installed |
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| 21:15.07 | kittonian | JasonWoof: if you know about testdisk, you would know that there's a lot more to it than just pasting something. and yes, i am well aware of pastebin |
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| 21:16.48 | JasonWoof | kittonian: true, I don't know anything about testdisk, but I do know that people rarely get help if they just ask for help. People generally get help here if they post details, or ask specific questions |
| 21:16.58 | CygniX | JasonWoof: the issue is, the build in debian repo even is sid which is stable does not ipv6 so all email from google is being rejected |
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| 21:17.25 | JasonWoof | kittonian: I don't know who's new to irc, so I sometimes advise people about how to best get help from the folks here who are knowledgeable. |
| 21:17.45 | kittonian | JasonWoof: appreciated. i've been doing this for a very long time. not a newbie :) |
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| 21:17.53 | aaa | Help |
| 21:17.57 | aaa | I need urgent help |
| 21:18.06 | JasonWoof | lol |
| 21:18.12 | aaa | I am the guy who tried setting up hardware acceleration |
| 21:18.18 | aaa | a few hour ago |
| 21:18.19 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:18.40 | JasonWoof | aaa: I was just explaining to somebody else that you mostly get help when you ask specific questions or post a detailed log to a paste bin |
| 21:18.49 | kittonian | JasonWoof: I don't bother explaining all the details anymore when no one in the channel has any experience with the issue. this is a very complicated issue and I need someone who really knows their stuff when it comes to testdisk and data recovery from a ddrescue created disk image |
| 21:19.08 | Dagger | CygniX: edit the init.d script to remove the mysql dependency maybe, but that's not a great solution since you'll have to redo it on each upgrade |
| 21:19.20 | aaa | I followed everything the ATIProprietary Debian site said on how to install drivers |
| 21:19.36 | aaa | and now X11 broke |
| 21:19.42 | aaa | after I rebooted |
| 21:19.53 | JasonWoof | kittonian: ok. I've never had any luck asking who has expertise. but I have had luck asking the really technical question... though to be fair, sometimes I get lots of suggestions from people that don't really understand my problem |
| 21:19.54 | aaa | I think it has something to do with aptitute |
| 21:20.08 | aaa | I mean aptitude |
| 21:20.25 | aaa | It was fine before |
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| 21:20.34 | aaa | I really just did what the page told me |
| 21:20.44 | JasonWoof | aaa: and now you understand why we only ship free software |
| 21:20.53 | aaa | and now Im on tty |
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| 21:21.12 | CygniX | Dagger: not sure which script, I dont believe it is installing, because there is nothing in /etc |
| 21:21.19 | JasonWoof | aaa: I feel for you, but we can't fix proprietary software |
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| 21:21.30 | Mr_Queue | aaa: So now you're stuck in a shell eh? |
| 21:21.32 | aaa | Yeah but how can I undo it |
| 21:21.35 | aaa | yes |
| 21:21.37 | Dagger | CygniX: should be something like /etc/init.d/cluebringer |
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| 21:21.49 | Mr_Queue | aaa: You're in the perfect spot, I would consider that an upgrad.e |
| 21:21.56 | CygniX | Dagger: yea, I checked but not there |
| 21:22.05 | Mr_Queue | You don't need some fancy window crap. |
| 21:22.07 | JasonWoof | aaa: dunno, proprietary software is notorious for not cleanly uninstalling |
| 21:22.09 | aaa | I think I did the changing some .conf file wrong |
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| 21:22.14 | JasonWoof | aaa: if it was installed through a .deb you can try uninstalling it that way |
| 21:22.17 | Dagger | CygniX: try `dpkg -L cluebringer` and see if it lists anything likely? |
| 21:22.25 | mtn | aaa: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? of so remove it and reboot |
| 21:22.28 | Mr_Queue | aaa: Buy like a good Debian user you made a backup, so you can go restore from that. |
| 21:22.31 | CygniX | Dagger: you know, I think it is being called cbpolicyd |
| 21:22.36 | aaa | no it was installed via aptitude |
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| 21:23.04 | aaa | let me see if I have that file |
| 21:23.05 | Mr_Queue | aaa: There are logs of what happened, go read those. |
| 21:23.31 | mtn | aaa: you can uninstall it using aptitude, of course |
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| 21:23.56 | aaa | I have xorg.conf.d |
| 21:24.01 | aaa | Is that fine too? |
| 21:24.03 | Mr_Queue | me too |
| 21:24.08 | JasonWoof | aaa: good, so you can purge (not just remove) with aptitude, and that should remove all the files installed. But it might not revert changes to configuration files. also, as mtn said, kill the xorg.conf |
| 21:24.23 | Mr_Queue | Man Debian has really went to shit in the last couple of years. |
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| 21:24.31 | JasonWoof | aaa: xorg.conf.d should be a directory, look in side it and see if ati left anything behind |
| 21:24.45 | mtn | Mr_Queue: that is a stupid thing to say |
| 21:24.46 | JasonWoof | Mr_Queue: please be nice |
| 21:24.59 | aaa | there is one file in it |
| 21:25.08 | Mr_Queue | lol |
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| 21:25.24 | aaa | 20-fglrx.conf |
| 21:25.25 | JasonWoof | aaa: first uninstall and purge the .deb, then look inside that file and see if it looks like it's from the ati stuff |
| 21:25.25 | Mr_Queue | ummm, this isn't #ubuntu... You're expected to know a thing or two, else go use Ubuntu.. |
| 21:25.30 | aaa | thats the name |
| 21:25.42 | aaa | ok |
| 21:25.59 | JasonWoof | fglrx is the proprietary thing right? |
| 21:26.05 | aaa | but I havent installed those with a debian file |
| 21:26.09 | aaa | I used apt |
| 21:26.15 | aaa | aptitude I mean |
| 21:26.16 | Mr_Queue | But you used aptitude?/ |
| 21:26.21 | JasonWoof | aptitude installs .deb files for you |
| 21:26.25 | Mr_Queue | You've backups right? |
| 21:26.31 | Mr_Queue | go restore and start again |
| 21:26.34 | aaa | no backups |
| 21:26.37 | Mr_Queue | Idiot |
| 21:26.43 | aaa | at least I didnt make anz |
| 21:26.50 | JasonWoof | aaa: ignore Mr_Queue, he's a troll |
| 21:27.07 | aaa | so how can I delete these files |
| 21:27.11 | mtn | aaa: bottom line is you need to reverse the steps you did to install the drivers |
| 21:27.13 | JasonWoof | aaa: aptitude downloads and installs .deb files for you. |
| 21:27.15 | Mr_Queue | OMFG |
| 21:27.28 | aaa | sorry for my ignorance |
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| 21:27.32 | Mr_Queue | No shit |
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| 21:27.38 | aaa | :( |
| 21:27.40 | Mr_Queue | Go read google and fix that. |
| 21:27.50 | JasonWoof | anybody have ops? |
| 21:28.01 | Mr_Queue | JasonWoof: This isn't #ubuntu.. |
| 21:28.06 | Mr_Queue | You're not going to get far.. |
| 21:28.13 | aaa | how can I reverse them? |
| 21:28.21 | Mr_Queue | You use backup.. I've been over this |
| 21:28.24 | aaa | aptitude purge |
| 21:28.29 | aaa | But I didnt |
| 21:28.35 | JasonWoof | aaa: yes, first purge the package with aptitude |
| 21:28.40 | CygniX | Dagger: it actually did install. /etc/cbpolicy... I was looking for /etc/cluebring... |
| 21:28.45 | Mr_Queue | So you're starting to see where you went wrong |
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| 21:29.02 | CygniX | Dagger: command helped... maybe I can get it working from here on |
| 21:29.03 | JasonWoof | aaa: I don't know what steps you took, so I don't know exactly how to reverse them. But you said you installed a .deb, so first you should purge it. |
| 21:29.06 | Mr_Queue | And mr hand holding JasonWoof must do this as his day job.. Give a man a fish jason..... |
| 21:29.13 | linuxthefish | ... |
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| 21:29.23 | aaa | so can I just go back to the same command with the upper arrow and change aptitude to aptitude-purge |
| 21:29.27 | JasonWoof | aaa: purge means uninstall and tell the package to remove it's configuration files |
| 21:29.30 | nell | I want an encrypted debian installation but I don't wanna use the whole disc, so I prepartition /boot / /swap and /home myself right? |
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| 21:30.20 | JasonWoof | I gotta run |
| 21:30.22 | JasonWoof | best of luck guys |
| 21:30.27 | aaa | thanks |
| 21:30.30 | Mr_Queue | Dinner must be ready. |
| 21:30.42 | aaa | it says there is no such command as aptitude-purge |
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| 21:31.10 | mtn | aaa: in a terminal: man aptitude |
| 21:31.44 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 21:31.45 | Mr_Queue | haha |
| 21:31.46 | Mr_Queue | man |
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| 21:31.57 | Mr_Queue | There was a time................ |
| 21:32.07 | MrFrood | !ops Mr_Queue trolling |
| 21:32.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: mrfrood complains about: Mr_Queue trolling |
| 21:32.25 | Mr_Queue | lol, Hiya op's.. |
| 21:32.31 | Mr_Queue | We've a problem here... |
| 21:32.44 | Mr_Queue | Half your channel doesn't even know what they're doing here.. |
| 21:32.50 | Mr_Queue | We're maning man pages and shit |
| 21:32.58 | Mr_Queue | In a DEBIAN channel.. |
| 21:33.21 | sdf10809 | calm down |
| 21:33.38 | sdf10809 | who are you even talking to anymore? |
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| 21:34.32 | aaa | Okay so I removed the packages and deleted that conf file |
| 21:34.41 | aaa | What should I do now? |
| 21:35.02 | Mr_Queue | Pull up to window 2 and pick up your fast config order. |
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| 21:35.40 | MrFrood | Mr_Queue: Play nice |
| 21:35.50 | Mr_Queue | That was. |
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| 21:36.21 | Mr_Queue | Dude, aaa seriously... Go and learn it.. Break it, fix it, and do it all over again. |
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| 21:36.51 | aaa | Well |
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| 21:37.02 | aaa | but I dont even know where to start |
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| 21:37.26 | Mr_Queue | Welp, then that would be a problem.... But IRC is where you come when you |
| 21:37.38 | Mr_Queue | are between a rock and a hard place... |
| 21:37.47 | Mr_Queue | You've yet to find the rock or the place.. |
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| 21:38.04 | aaa | but what should I do then? |
| 21:38.15 | sdf10809 | if you aren't going to help him why don't you just be quiet instead of spamming the channel? |
| 21:38.17 | garn32 | I'm trying to use the program logger to send test syslog message to a remote system by specifing the -n or --server flags but it only seems to log to the local system |
| 21:38.18 | Mr_Queue | When you pick up a project way over your head... You should probably reconsider the project. |
| 21:38.55 | Mr_Queue | sdf10809: Because... If no one does, then we just let this place turn right into the shit hole most of these new guys come from called ubuntu./ |
| 21:39.10 | forcer | Mr_Queue: Could you please take your own advice and reconsider the project of helping others on this channel? |
| 21:39.32 | aaa | but I need to do this project otherwise my laptop wont be able to use my computer for anything requiring X11 |
| 21:39.33 | Mr_Queue | forcer: You'd not even believe it but my advice to the guy is the best he has yet.. GO LEARN IT. |
| 21:40.11 | sdf10809 | Mr_Queue: not a good reason for spam. just be quiet and let him be ignored, that will send the same message and you don't have to be an asshole in the process |
| 21:40.14 | Mr_Queue | Stop asking for one line options to fix all your problems.. You fixed nothing, you put a bandaid on it and be right back here in an hour not even knowing what you did. |
| 21:40.17 | peterS | Mr_Queue: calling someone an idiot for not having a backup to roll back to is not helpful |
| 21:40.24 | Mr_Queue | DUDE |
| 21:40.28 | Mr_Queue | That's pretty spot on. |
| 21:40.36 | peterS | still not helpful though |
| 21:40.51 | Mr_Queue | Bet he makes a backup next time... |
| 21:41.04 | forcer | aaa: "aptitude-purge" is not the right command, it should be "aptitude purge" (space, not dash). |
| 21:41.09 | sdf10809 | if he does make a backup it won't be because you are a jerk |
| 21:41.17 | Mr_Queue | gimme root, I'll fix it.. |
| 21:41.22 | Mr_Queue | that's next here |
| 21:41.26 | Mr_Queue | Why not start now. |
| 21:41.31 | Nik05 | !ops Mr_Queue |
| 21:41.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: nik05 complains about: Mr_Queue |
| 21:41.45 | peterS | Mr_Queue: enough. help or don't help. but what you're doing now isn't. |
| 21:41.54 | Mr_Queue | lol... |
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| 21:42.31 | forcer | peterS: Thank you |
| 21:42.37 | Nik05 | oh sorry peterS didnt knew you were op |
| 21:42.54 | aaa | Oh yeah thanks I did that and reversed everything but I dont know what to do now |
| 21:42.59 | Mr_Queue | ta da. |
| 21:43.12 | aaa | should I try rebooting? |
| 21:43.15 | mtn | aaa: reboot |
| 21:43.34 | Mr_Queue | No, I'd PM forcer. Seems he wants to do the rest of this for you. |
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| 21:44.00 | aaa | ok Ill try thanks |
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| 21:44.28 | DrFoo | I moved a file from one file to another and if froze my gnome session. I didn't see cp in the ps list, what would the frozen process be? |
| 21:44.29 | Reelax | Hi, i have a TAILS linux installation which is based on Debian. How can i find my package is installed for my laptop's gfx ? After i find it out, i'd like to install Wheezy on it. |
| 21:45.28 | MrFrood | peterS: thank you |
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| 21:45.54 | kittonian | Ok, here's the explanation. If anyone can assist I would really appreciate it. I had a hard drive go south on me on Monday afternoon. I was able to use ddrescue to create a disk image without any errors, however since the drive itself had superblock errors, bad magic number errors, and won't show any partitions, the disk image is of course showing the same. So, I've been desperately trying everything I can think of to repair the im |
| 21:45.54 | kittonian | age in order to get the files back. Nothing has worked thus far (parted, mke2fs, fsck -b, etc.), however even though testdisk doesn't find any partition information when selecting to search for Intel partitions, today I tried selecting none and analysing. It came back with a ton of different information that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I'm hoping this is good news that at least it found something this time around but |
| 21:45.55 | kittonian | I need some assistance on how to proceed. |
| 21:46.00 | aaa | guys guys it worked thank you so much |
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| 21:46.06 | aaa | you have saved me |
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| 21:46.52 | DrFoo | Can I stop x from a tty2, if I started in tty1? |
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| 21:47.33 | siiaue | What is the netinstall also called? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBoot#NetInstall get me to the wrong place. |
| 21:48.02 | aaa | mtn , everyone thanks |
| 21:48.14 | MrFrood | siiaue: because it downloads most of the files it needs over a network |
| 21:48.15 | peterS | siiaue: try debian.org rather than wikipedia.org (: |
| 21:48.15 | aaa | I have to go now |
| 21:48.20 | kevix | DrFoo: if you started a process on one tty, you can only 'kill' it from another. unless you used screen or similar. |
| 21:48.24 | mtn | aaa: yw |
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| 21:48.29 | aaa | bye then |
| 21:48.46 | siiaue | peterS: Whats the name of this methodology? |
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| 21:49.40 | peterS | what methodology? installing an OS from a small CD whose purpose is to install just enough software to allow the OS to contact a network site in order to download more of itself? |
| 21:49.53 | kevix | siiaue: netinstall is a small debian install, netboot is a way to boot hardware from a network |
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| 21:50.15 | DrFoo | kevix: Nothing graceful like a stopx? :) |
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| 21:50.45 | kevix | DrFoo: did you mean 'stop X windows' or 'stop a random process'? |
| 21:50.49 | Walex | kittonian: what you report is rather contradictory. If 'ddrescue' found no errors the drive is fine. |
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| 21:51.00 | rtur | I've set up sbuild (host: i386) with i386 and amd64 chroots, the i386 one works but the amd64 one failes with "E: Failed to execute "/bin/sh": Exec format error". Are there some 64bit libs I need to install ? Google lists tons of "32bit on 64bit" but nothing about the other way around. |
| 21:51.23 | peterS | DrFoo: maybe you want 'service xdm stop' or 'service gdm stop' or something |
| 21:51.27 | Walex | kittonian: if however various analysis tools tell you they find nothing then the drive is good but the contents are not good. |
| 21:51.34 | kevix | rtur: is the computer 32bit or 64 bit? |
| 21:51.41 | peterS | (I use xdm but I understand some of the cool kids use other display managers these days) |
| 21:51.43 | rtur | kevix: 32 bit |
| 21:52.04 | peterS | rtur: if your hardware is 32-bit, you will not be able to execute amd64 stuff at all |
| 21:52.04 | kevix | rtur: 64bit cpus can emulate 32 bit but not vise vera |
| 21:52.34 | peterS | rtur: likewise if your hardware is 64-bit but your Linux kernel is 32-bit |
| 21:52.46 | siiaue | kevix: Are the exact term "netinstall" (initial lower case) used among most distributions? |
| 21:53.04 | siiaue | kevix: as a term if they adopt this methodology? |
| 21:53.06 | peterS | rtur: if you want a 32-bit installation on 64-bit hardware, with a 64-bit chroot, then you will want to install the 'linux-image-amd64' package |
| 21:53.13 | kevix | siiaue: last I checked, that was a debian term |
| 21:53.24 | peterS | rtur: (that package is available on i386 systems) - then boot _that_ kernel |
| 21:53.28 | siiaue | kevix: What would be a global term? |
| 21:53.50 | kevix | siiaue: maybe, not sure. I've never heard of other distrso doing it |
| 21:54.09 | mtn | kevix: arch does something similar |
| 21:54.24 | kevix | mtn: oh, cool, didnt know that. |
| 21:54.28 | siiaue | kevix: Arch Linux mention Netboot at https://www.archlinux.org/download/ |
| 21:54.49 | siiaue | kevix: "Network installation" should be fine, right? |
| 21:54.51 | mtn | siiaue: as someone already told you, netboot and netinstall are not the same |
| 21:54.51 | kittonian | Walex: the hardware is fine. i am working on the disk image that was made. nothing i said is contradictory. the partition tables got corrupted somehow. now i need to resolve the errors on the disk image so that i can mount it and restore the files. i've already got the drive itself back and running. this is a secondary drive, not the boot drive. |
| 21:55.06 | peterS | siiaue: as a practical matter, pretty much every Linux distribution does a 'netinstall' in some fashion - nobody puts all the possible software they ship on a single CD image. they all let you download more stuff after you install. So the terminology question is really to what extent do you get a complete install just from the CD? |
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| 21:55.31 | mtn | peterS: nice answer :) |
| 21:55.37 | rtur | peterS, kevix: Thank you guys, there is my explanation for why there are no goole results for my problem. |
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| 21:55.54 | alusion | should I encrypt swap @ installation? |
| 21:55.58 | alusion | or do I do that after. |
| 21:55.59 | kevix | there is this term that is much older( rtur) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBoot |
| 21:56.27 | peterS | alusion: if you're going to encrypt swap, you may as well do it at install time. it's probably easier than figuring that stuff out later. |
| 21:56.48 | kevix | you can encrypt a swap file (vs partition)? |
| 21:56.53 | alusion | kk |
| 21:56.59 | Reelax | how can i find the gfx driver package name within the currently installed linux in my netbook ? i'd like to install Wheezy. |
| 21:57.18 | siiaue | What about "Remote installation" |
| 21:57.29 | kevix | Reelax: you can do something like 'dpkg --l|grep -i gfx' ? |
| 21:57.36 | peterS | kevix: you can encrypt anything really. I don't know _how_ to encrypt a swap file, but then I'm not clear on the details of setting up an encrypted swap partition either, I just let d-i do it |
| 21:58.04 | kevix | peterS: yes. I agree. |
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| 21:58.20 | kevix | Reelax: that would be dpkg -l |
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| 21:59.35 | peterS | kevix: anyway, swap partitions work by having a layer to translate a raw block device into an encrypted block device. doing the same with a _file_ as the backing store seems like it should work the same way |
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| 21:59.38 | Reelax | kevix: no result :( |
| 22:00.10 | peterS | anyway I used to use swap files a lot, as they're so much more convenient than block devices ... but then LVM came along.... |
| 22:00.31 | mtn | Reelax: what are you trying to accomplish? why do you need the package name? |
| 22:00.47 | kevix | Reelax: aptitude search gfx gave a few results |
| 22:00.54 | rawrmonster | If i have debian stable is the "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" needed in my source.list or do the updates normally make it pretty fast to the main update tree? |
| 22:01.32 | kevix | security updates are not regular updates? |
| 22:01.41 | peterS | rawrmonster: you want the security line in there. the main tree is only updated once every two or three months. even the 'proposed-updates' thing is not as fast as the security mirrors |
| 22:01.58 | Reelax | mtn: TAILS usb linux is running now on my netbook. i need to install Wheezy. I tested the netbook with Wheezy USB but it doesnt boot as that's for my desktop gfx(NVidia) |
| 22:02.05 | rawrmonster | peterS: ahh ok ty :D |
| 22:02.10 | peterS | (also it's sources.list not source.list, but thanks to tab completion you would've gotten that right anyway) |
| 22:02.41 | mtn | Reelax: the debian wiki has a section on nvidia. maybe that would help. otherwise you should ask tails support for help with your tails packages. |
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| 22:03.28 | rawrmonster | peterS: and is everything under security tested for stability or is it straight from the maintainers? |
| 22:03.59 | Reelax | mtn: debian live has the gfx for my desktop , while wheezy installation does not. so if i wanna install wheezy i need to find the driver package from usb first, is the best option i guess. |
| 22:04.29 | peterS | rawrmonster: security updates, like other stable updates, are supposed to be minimal patches. in practice, they can't test everything in the timeframe they need, so occasionally they have to issue updates to security fixes to fix a regression. |
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| 22:05.15 | siiaue | kevix: peterS Is Debian's netinstall based on Preboot Execution Environment (PXE)? |
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| 22:05.37 | Reelax | mtn : lspci | grep VGA returns : intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 22:05.54 | siiaue | That was the answer I wanted at least. |
| 22:06.03 | mtn | Reelax: I would do some searching on: debian and that card |
| 22:06.05 | peterS | siiaue: no, it is not related to PXE |
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| 22:06.18 | mtn | Reelax: and go look at the debian wiki for video drivers |
| 22:06.26 | peterS | PXE is for net-booting, as others have already explained, and that's not at all related to net-installing |
| 22:06.42 | peterS | now you can use PXE to boot an OS installer and then you might be doing both netboot and netinst |
| 22:06.53 | kevix | heh |
| 22:06.53 | peterS | but you can do PXE without netinstall and netinstall without PXE |
| 22:07.13 | alusion | how do I do a debian encrypted install |
| 22:07.21 | alusion | on custom partition scheme |
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| 22:07.24 | alusion | it keeps asking for root partition |
| 22:07.30 | alusion | but i cant have encrypted and root |
| 22:07.31 | peterS | the Debian installer does support building and using a PXE image, but usually when you hear about 'netinst' it is a CD image, not a PXE image, that is being talked about |
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| 22:08.35 | rawrmonster | peterS: Thank you! you have been a huge help :D |
| 22:08.56 | peterS | no problem |
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| 22:28.17 | Reelax | mtn : looks like i found it. netbook has no CD-ROM drive, how to install debian on it ? |
| 22:28.30 | mtn | Reelax: usb? |
| 22:30.04 | Reelax | there is a usb linux running now. possible to start installation from hdd , without rebooting ? |
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| 22:31.04 | mtn | Reelax: don't understand. if you have usb boot, use usb to install debian. won't that work? |
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| 22:32.00 | Reelax | mtn: it's a different linux. if i write a debian iso to USB , it will boot the installation ? |
| 22:32.28 | mtn | Reelax: again, the debian wiki has lots of instructions about installing |
| 22:37.22 | peterS | but the short answer is yes. Debian installer .iso files are designed to boot from USB as well as from CD or DVD media. You do have to install them to the raw device (i.e., 'cp /tmp/debian-xyz-netinst.iso /dev/sdb') |
| 22:37.59 | peterS | (sorry that's e.g., not i.e. I still get them confused even though I've known better for years) |
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| 22:42.04 | Reelax | peteS : so open directory named /dev , copy the iso there, make the partition bootable and reboot ? |
| 22:42.32 | Reelax | peterS : so open directory named /dev , copy the iso there, make the partition bootable and reboot ? |
| 22:42.47 | somiaj | Reelax: no |
| 22:42.57 | somiaj | Reelax: make a direct image copy to the device. What operating system are you making this image from? |
| 22:42.58 | peterS | no, there is no partition. you're copying the file onto a raw block device, which I represented as /dev/sdb. |
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| 22:43.48 | Reelax | oh ok |
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| 22:44.12 | Reelax | i'n running TAILS linux from usb, wanna install wheezy to hdd |
| 22:44.29 | peterS | how can you tell your removable disk is /dev/sdb? there's various ways, but what I do is read /proc/partitions and look for something with the same approximate size as the USB thing I just plugged in. That, or 'dmesg | tail' to see what device got detected shortly after I plugged it in |
| 22:44.31 | Reelax | i got what you mean , cp writes the iso content to the disk |
| 22:44.58 | Reelax | peterS : i can see the partitions in the disk from linux. |
| 22:45.33 | Reelax | thanks, i think i got enough clue. |
| 22:45.38 | peterS | Reelax: I'm talking about the partitions of the USB disk that you want to boot the installer from. in that case the partitions are irrelevant, you're writing the iso file directly to the raw USB disk - basically overwriting whatever partition table it has already |
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| 22:46.02 | mtn | Reelax: just in case: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 22:46.39 | kevix | like /dev/sda vs /dev/sda1 |
| 22:47.07 | Reelax | i.c But how about if i wanna start the installation from hdd but not usb ? |
| 22:47.40 | peterS | Reelax: you can't put the installer on the same hard disk that you will install _to_. Because the installer won't be able to repartition the disk. |
| 22:47.56 | Reelax | can i not "cp" the iso to hdd of the netbook ? im using the usb linux now just to explore the partitions and download the iso. |
| 22:47.59 | peterS | because it can't destroy itself - it does not load completely into RAM ahead of time |
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| 22:48.13 | Reelax | peterS: got it. |
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| 22:48.38 | peterS | so basically: yes, you can copy the iso to your real hard disk - and it will boot - but when it runs, you won't be able to use it to install it to that same disk |
| 22:48.45 | kevix | you cat cat xxxx > /dev/sda or dd |
| 22:49.00 | peterS | kevix: given I already mentioned cp, why would you use cat or dd? |
| 22:49.06 | peterS | cp is easier conceptually and easier to type (: |
| 22:49.07 | kevix | ok |
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| 22:50.12 | peterS | dd in particular, I never understood how that got so popular. its syntax is baroque and confusing. it has lots of options, but when people talk about copying installers to USB sticks, they aren't using any of the options. they're just using it like a horrible interface to cp. |
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| 22:53.54 | kevix | huh |
| 22:54.00 | somiaj | ignore the scammer |
| 22:54.05 | CowboyNeal | except for the ridiculous story and the reliance on dogecoin that was almost believable |
| 22:54.07 | kevix | heh |
| 22:54.26 | kevix | so scammy, very doge |
| 22:54.29 | peterS | "except for the ridiculous story...that was almost believable" is an odd thing to say (: |
| 22:54.43 | Reelax | peterS: i still wanna install it from sdb2 to sdb1, i think usb drive is slow. after i'm done with sdb2 i'd like to get rid of it. Can i avoid multiple OS after setup is complete ? |
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| 22:55.34 | peterS | Reelax: if you have already partitioned and will not need to change your partition table during the install, feel free to try it (copy the iso to /dev/sdb2, and arrange for the /dev/sdb boot loader to chain-boot /dev/sdb2) |
| 22:55.58 | peterS | Reelax: I don't know offhand if the debian installer image would work if written to a partition instead of the raw disk. though I have a feeling it won't. |
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| 22:56.45 | peterS | as for how to "arrange for the /dev/sdb boot loader to chain-boot /dev/sdb2", well, that depends on what's in the sdb boot sector. If it's the MS-DOS default MBR, then you just need to flag sdb2 as 'active'. if it's something else, then who knows |
| 22:57.12 | atomic_ant | HI, I just installed debian 7.4, but It doesn't has sound, I tried "alsactl init", but, It didn't works, It tells me: " "/usr/share/alsa/init/default:26 control element not found", Any idea? please |
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| 22:57.41 | somiaj | !tell atomic_ant about alsa checklist |
| 22:58.46 | atomic_ant | somiaj, yes |
| 22:58.47 | atomic_ant | :) |
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| 23:00.24 | atomic_ant | somiaj, thanks |
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| 23:03.58 | Reelax | peterS: looks like i will go with usb, thanks again. |
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| 23:04.11 | peterS | np - good luck. |
| 23:05.10 | BUBULLE | hi |
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| 23:22.27 | DrFoo | I can run badblocks on an LVM parition, correct? My thinking is it's at the block level so it doesn't matter what's on the part.... course I may not be aware of something... |
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| 23:23.30 | Brigo | DrFoo, run it at disk level /dev/sda, no /dev/sda1, for example. |
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| 23:23.53 | frostschutz | DrFoo, sure, that's fine. unless it's about rescuing data, in which case you should ddrescue |
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| 23:25.03 | DrFoo | Brigo: frostschutz: No I had a file that was corrupting my login, then It froze on copy. I'm thinking bad block. It's on my root partition. Must I unmount it? Probably best.... |
| 23:25.48 | frostschutz | DrFoo, yes... and badblocks may cause additional data loss, just so you know. if it was a bad block it should be in dmesg anyhow |
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| 23:25.51 | Brigo | DrFoo, yes, unmount it, and backup it, them you can try some tricks. |
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| 23:26.57 | DrFoo | BRigo: shouldn't the drive reallocate when it accessed the bad block? |
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| 23:27.55 | Brigo | DrFoo, may be, yes. Did you know smart? |
| 23:28.40 | DrFoo | I have it installed, but it didn't come back with anything useful. It's 3.5 years old... |
| 23:28.54 | DrFoo | everything is prefail |
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| 23:37.40 | evanton | when i run apt-get upgrade and it tells me there are package updates, how can i read the changelog for those changes before i actually tell apt to upgrade the system with the newer versions of packages? |
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| 23:48.54 | dgt | what to set 'nearest mirror' for egypt? |
| 23:49.30 | dvs | dgt: http.debian.net |
| 23:50.45 | dgt | dvs: ni such option un mirror list |
| 23:51.00 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:51.20 | dgt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.26 | dvs | well, configure it manually then. |
| 23:51.45 | dgt | it's a list of countries |
| 23:52.05 | evanton | nearest is very conventional |
| 23:52.09 | somiaj | evanton: install the package 'apt-listchanges' |
| 23:52.24 | dvs | I'm guessing this is during the install |
| 23:53.07 | evanton | somiaj: i have two issues with this approach: i actually have to install the stuff first; i have to do it manually for each pachage (is this correct?) |
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| 23:53.33 | somiaj | evanton: apt-listchanges will tell you the changes int he packages before you actually install them and make you say Y/N to isntalling them after you read |
| 23:53.34 | evanton | somiaj: i'd like to read a summary for all packages that will be upgraded befure actually applying any changes |
| 23:53.42 | somiaj | evanton: you will have to download the packages first though. |
| 23:53.43 | Reelax | Q : is it possible to see / use the desktop in wheezy classic view ? |
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| 23:54.04 | stribblet | is cron-apt's MAILON inclusive? if i set it to upgrade, will it also email on errors? |
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| 23:54.11 | somiaj | Reelax: I belive you are talking about gnome (since wheezy actually provides multiple destkop options). It is called fallback mode |
| 23:54.17 | evanton | somiaj: debian has no global changelog that can be queried for changes to packages? |
| 23:54.43 | somiaj | evanton: the changelog is a part of each package. as far as I know there is no central database of that. |
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| 23:55.07 | somiaj | evanton: but just because you download the .deb doesn't actually install it on your system until you review the changes. |
| 23:55.15 | evanton | meh, that's so unconvenient for someone who's used to this approach |
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| 23:55.23 | somiaj | evanton: note for debian stable this shouldtn' be an issue because the changes shoudl all be bug/security fixes. |
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| 23:55.28 | grok | Reelax, wheezy/gnome3 in classic mode allows you to use the desktop |
| 23:55.33 | Reelax | somiaj: im on fallback mode in Wheezy , i cannot put items on the desktop like windows 7 |
| 23:55.35 | evanton | sure, but a .deb can be HUGE, while the changes are just a couple of lines of text |
| 23:56.00 | grok | Reelax, you have to turn it on in settings. |
| 23:56.22 | SynrG | Reelax: dunno how that works in fallback, but in gnome-shell, gnome-tweak-tool can be used to allow icons to be placed on the desktop |
| 23:56.34 | somiaj | evanton: I see an xy problem here, are you running testing/unstable and want to read changes before they take place? This really shouldn't be an issue for debian stable (in my opinion) |
| 23:56.43 | Reelax | tweak tool, ok |
| 23:57.21 | SynrG | as i said, though, don't know if it's appropriate for classic |
| 23:57.38 | evanton | somiaj: an xy problem is totally possible, i'm just trying to apply my habits with another distro to debian, by analogy |
| 23:58.20 | evanton | my workflow there is: read the changelog and see what changed in packages that are going to be upgraded; actually perform the upgrade |
| 23:58.28 | SynrG | Reelax: probably grok knows something i don't |
| 23:58.34 | SynrG | Reelax: have you looked in settings? |
| 23:58.39 | dgt | i'm installing Debian 7.4 gnome live right now.how long will the apt setting take? |
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| 23:58.56 | evanton | upgrade including explicitly downloading the packages, but AFTER i have learned what the changes are about |
| 23:59.06 | somiaj | evanton: debian stable is a frozen system. There are very few updates. All security updates are annouced over the DSA mailing list so you can get mailed about them. Other changes (usually non security bugfixes) come from wheezy-updates and over all you will want to install them, but apt-listchanges is nice to double check. |
| 23:59.52 | somiaj | evanton: in debian stable you should install all updates. It is a frozen system so needing to double check that a feature was changed should not happen. |
