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| 00:00.12 | evanton | subscribing to the mailing list would be an option, though i avoid dealing with email when it's possible... |
| 00:00.24 | evanton | that mailing list must have an archive that's available online, right? |
| 00:01.07 | evanton | i am positive about installing updates, i just want to be aware of what's happening |
| 00:01.31 | somiaj | evanton: I think apt-listchanges would be best because since you will most likely install it gives you a summary before the actually isntall happens |
| 00:01.38 | somiaj | though a quick google search found me this, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ChangeLog |
| 00:02.33 | somiaj | evanton: so if you don't actually have wheezy-updates in your sources.list (i.e. prefer to wait for the point release to get them) It looks like you can read over all the changelogs compiled together for the point release (i.e. 7.3 -> 7.4 the next will be 7.4 -> 7.5) |
| 00:02.50 | somiaj | and security updates you should just install so I think apt-listchanges will tell you the changes then. |
| 00:03.01 | dgt | i remember there was a site that chooses the fastest mirror automatically |
| 00:03.27 | somiaj | dgt: I thought it was something like http.cdn.debian.net or some domain name, I think teh http.debian.net will choose a close one |
| 00:03.40 | evanton | somiaj: okay, thanks for the pointers |
| 00:03.46 | somiaj | dgt: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
| 00:04.13 | somiaj | dgt: looks like those are just geomirrors, you'd probably need some tool to test the speed to find the fastest |
| 00:04.38 | dgt | somiaj: right,thanx |
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| 00:04.51 | grok | Reelax, as SynrG said, install gnome-tweak-tools. then run 'advanced settings' and turn it on. works fine. |
| 00:04.53 | Reelax | SynrG - Debian : found it, it tweak tools , Desktop option. |
| 00:05.29 | Reelax | grok: yeah i got it, thnx |
| 00:05.47 | grok | ok, good. |
| 00:05.53 | evanton | dgt: often the best way to find the fastest mirror is to look for a local one or ask in a local resource. a forum of your city (if you live in a city). perhaps some local university is running a debian mirror |
| 00:05.54 | atomic_ant | hello I can tell if a pokemon game for linux? |
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| 00:06.30 | atomic_ant | hello I can tell if a pokemon game for debian? |
| 00:06.35 | Artemis3 | emulators allow playing many pokemon games. |
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| 00:07.20 | atomic_ant | and the direction |
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| 00:08.23 | Reelax | my last Q : installing amd64 / i386 on a netbook makes a big difference ? cuz i already have the AMD64 iso. |
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| 00:08.53 | dvs | Reelax: only if you're short on RAM |
| 00:08.55 | somiaj | Reelax: there are pros and cons to each over all the difference is small. One major thing is if you have over 4gigs of ram you want amd64 |
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| 00:09.13 | somiaj | Reelax: you can run 32bit applications on amd64 with multiarch so there really is no software limitation there |
| 00:09.39 | evanton | very few applications require 32bit compatibility though |
| 00:09.40 | Reelax | ok |
| 00:10.00 | somiaj | yea mostly thrid partaty non-free binaries |
| 00:10.17 | evanton | wine, skype i think |
| 00:10.31 | evanton | if one doesn't need those, can be happy running a clean 64bit system |
| 00:11.18 | somiaj | well there is wine64 but then you need 64bit window files which are are (but getting more common) for the applications people use wine for |
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| 00:15.32 | atomic_ant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.56 | WizRing | atomic_ant: what? |
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| 00:16.35 | SynrG | there are likely emulators that would play such games |
| 00:17.31 | SynrG | mednafen, mupen64plus, to name two |
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| 00:18.00 | ruukasu | is there such thing as a testing netinst? |
| 00:18.04 | atomic_ant | WizRing, is there a pokemon game for debian? |
| 00:18.07 | ruukasu | if so, there can I get the iso? |
| 00:18.50 | SynrG | ruukasu: there is. however, it is an alpha release, so not recommended to use yet. you can't just install stable and upgrade? |
| 00:19.04 | SynrG | that remains the best way for now |
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| 00:19.27 | somiaj | ruukasu: the testing installer is for testing the installer, not for installing testing. use stable and dist-upgrade a minimial system. |
| 00:19.29 | dvs | ruukasu: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:19.53 | ruukasu | I can upgrade, but I figured it would be better to install what I want right off the bat if there's a way to netinst testing |
| 00:19.56 | ruukasu | :/ |
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| 00:20.03 | SynrG | ruukasu: it isn't. |
| 00:20.15 | SynrG | not until it at least goes beta |
| 00:20.18 | dvs | ruukasu: The testing installer is to test the installer itself |
| 00:20.26 | Reelax | well it wasnt the last Q. What partition type is good for performance , my bro will use the netbook for regular usage, browse internet, listen to music etc... |
| 00:20.41 | somiaj | just upgrade a minimial base install and then install additional software after, causes the lease resistance in the process |
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| 00:21.00 | ruukasu | so just install, change sources, upgrade is the best way for now? |
| 00:21.05 | SynrG | yup |
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| 00:21.39 | ruukasu | ah, ok, thanks |
| 00:22.59 | SynrG | Reelax: by 'partition type' i assume you mean filesystem type. personally i use ext4 everywhere. it's the default and the most reasonable choice unless you know you need something different. |
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| 00:23.34 | Reelax | i.c |
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| 00:27.40 | ruukasu | one more thing, is it possible to install debian without any de or wm, but with a login manager, so I can install my wm from a tty? or is it better to just fix it after like with testing? |
| 00:27.54 | SynrG | yes |
| 00:28.09 | somiaj | ruukasu: what do you mean by login manager? |
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| 00:28.42 | somiaj | ruukasu: what I would do after the netinstall is say no to taskel and dont' install additional software. Now you have a function system, upgrade this base system, start to install the software you want |
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| 00:28.59 | ruukasu | somiaj: session manager, whatever it's called. the login screen, as opposed to just a tty |
| 00:29.37 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.55 | dvs | ruukasu: Just remove the display manager and run "startx" once you're logged in. |
| 00:29.59 | LinuxGuy2020 | Whenever I install a fresh system and installplymouth and set a theme and it ends up working fine. When an updated kernel gets installed, plymouth breaks. Is there a way to prevent that breakage? |
| 00:30.39 | SynrG | ruukasu: you could use lightdm, won't bring in gnome deps |
| 00:30.45 | somiaj | ruukasu: yea you don't need a WM to log into. You could have a blank session that only has an xterm and no wm running when you login |
| 00:30.47 | ruukasu | dvs: no, I mean I want a display manager, but I don't want to have to install then uninstall gnome since it's like 6GB |
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| 00:31.04 | kevix | rerun update-grub ? |
| 00:31.07 | SynrG | ruukasu: after installing the base system, install xorg, lightdm and your wm |
| 00:31.09 | somiaj | though I prefer just running startx from a console myself |
| 00:31.22 | somiaj | well I would put in upgrade to jessie then isntall xorg (: |
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| 00:31.53 | SynrG | ruukasu: yes, i think you misunderstood, but somiaj was very clear on that point ... |
| 00:32.05 | SynrG | ruukasu: install base, upgarde, *then* the rest |
| 00:32.10 | SynrG | upgrade* |
| 00:32.27 | ruukasu | SynrG: sounds good. is it like arch where you need to install 50 different packages to get xorg working, or will it get the drivers, etc, on its own? |
| 00:32.41 | SynrG | ruukasu: xorg is a metapackage the pulls in the whole thing |
| 00:32.58 | ruukasu | ah |
| 00:33.07 | ruukasu | will do, thanks |
| 00:33.29 | SynrG | ruukasu: the only possible wrinkle is if you have a graphics card that doesn't work well with the free drivers, or needs non-free firmware. |
| 00:34.00 | SynrG | ruukasu: but that's pretty straightforward and certainly doesn't involve "50 different packages" |
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| 00:34.10 | ruukasu | I only have intel graphics, iirc they work notoriously well with free drivers |
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| 00:34.46 | SynrG | yes, well ... yes except for the disaster called gma500 ;) |
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| 00:36.01 | dorito125 | Howdy howdy. I have a server with several drives and one has failed. Is there a way to get identifiable information for that drive like a serial number or otherwise? I don't know which drive it is physically in the system. |
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| 00:37.04 | kevix | dorito125: ls /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 00:37.17 | kevix | dorito125: that should be true of any linux |
| 00:37.19 | somiaj | that will give uuid's, not sure if that helps find the actual physical drive |
| 00:37.29 | somiaj | nevermind that is id, not uuid being silly |
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| 00:41.36 | dorito125 | kevix: Perfect thanks! |
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| 00:43.28 | kevix | dorito125: did that fix it? |
| 00:43.50 | dorito125 | Okay another question, related. I determined this drive was going bad because I have rsync cronjob to run every night and the drive switches to ro. I unmount and remount and it's fine again until recently it stops responding to anything. I did some goggling but nothing great came back. Do you know of a good guide to follow to attempt to rescue a hard drive or determine if it has really failed? |
| 00:44.31 | dorito125 | kevix: Yep, that answered my question. I took note of which drives point to /dev/sd[az] |
| 00:44.43 | dvs | smartctl |
| 00:44.49 | kevix | I think if it mounted RO, read-only, it did that because there is a problem with the drive. |
| 00:44.56 | dvs | err smartmontools |
| 00:45.01 | kevix | and you need to do fsck to fix it |
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| 00:49.51 | dorito125 | Okay smartctl returns [scsi response fails sanity test] |
| 00:50.51 | dorito125 | fsck operates on partitions right? |
| 00:51.27 | kevix | yes |
| 00:51.30 | SynrG | more accurately on filesystems, which are usually contained within partitions, yes |
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| 00:53.10 | dorito125 | Is it nuked? http://paste.debian.net/94480/ |
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| 00:53.52 | dorito125 | It was ext4 also. |
| 00:54.31 | dvs | dorito125: you shouldn't run fsck on a mounted partition. |
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| 00:55.34 | dorito125 | dvs: I don't think it is. Does that output indicate it's mounted? |
| 00:55.46 | dvs | cant tell |
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| 00:56.03 | dvs | mount will tell you |
| 00:57.12 | dorito125 | dvs: It's not mounted. |
| 00:58.10 | SynrG | Use fdisk -l |
| 00:58.20 | SynrG | Confirm the partition layout |
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| 01:01.53 | dorito125 | SynrG: It's using GPT but parted says: Error: /dev/sda: unrecognised disk label |
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| 01:03.39 | happytux_ | hi |
| 01:03.54 | SynrG | dorito125: hm. You could possibly image the whole drive and reconstruct the partition table in the image if you knew the exact layout |
| 01:03.57 | happytux_ | So there is /etc/hostname, are there other places where the hostname is also stored? Important places? |
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| 01:04.55 | dvs | happytux_: /etc/hosts |
| 01:05.11 | SynrG | dorito125: your backup strategy should include taking a backup of your partition table … |
| 01:05.32 | happytux_ | dvs: so /etc/hostname, /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts should be the most important ones then |
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| 01:06.22 | plt2 | Is there anyway to boot wine so you can see the windows desktop? |
| 01:06.22 | themill | happytux_: the hostname can appear all through other config files in /etc and even in user's config files in $HOME |
| 01:06.25 | dorito125 | SynrG: I will add that! I am sure that it was just /dev/sda1 though. |
| 01:07.09 | themill | plt2: you don't boot wine; wine does not include the programs necessary to show a desktop |
| 01:07.24 | plt2 | Ty |
| 01:07.32 | happytux_ | themill: Ignorant question: When setting up a vserver from scratch and there is an existing vserver, where are the places the vserver hoster could have configured? |
| 01:07.45 | happytux_ | I also looked at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:07.56 | happytux_ | Mail programs, web servers excluded. |
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| 01:08.09 | somiaj | plt2: if you want to run a full windows desktop inside of debian look at virtuilzation options like virtualbox or kvm. |
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| 01:10.08 | happytux_ | There is also ReactOS, but it is more legacy. |
| 01:10.17 | SynrG | But you will need a windows license for that |
| 01:11.03 | SynrG | (Windows on virtual machine i mean) |
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| 01:12.12 | jaggz- | is there a common library or system api for simple key-value persistent data storage (but not necessarily between sessions)? (like memcached for example).. but preferably something kernel based? |
| 01:12.29 | jaggz- | it'd be nice to not have to open a file or connect to memcached.. |
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| 01:14.57 | jaggz- | maybe I should just use /dev/shm .. |
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| 01:15.49 | jaggz- | but it would be nice to have some system-wide hash/btree table with a cooperative data storage (no security needed among apps really).. |
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| 01:30.36 | linuxator | how to update grub? |
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| 01:31.53 | highbass | hey guys im having hell of a time mounting a virtual cd rom (dell drac) in linux... i found the drive letts when i enable the virtual drive and they are sdc and sdb (two for some reason) and everytime i try to mount i get the error "mount: no medium found on /dev/sdb" ... not sure what else to do... anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:31.53 | somiaj | linuxator: update-grub |
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| 01:32.30 | somiaj | highbass: what do you call a virtul cdrom, do you have an .iso file you want to mount? |
| 01:32.40 | linuxator | somiaj: bash: update-grub: command not found |
| 01:32.46 | somiaj | linuxator: you have to be root |
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| 01:32.53 | somiaj | linuxator: it is in /usr/sbin/ |
| 01:33.23 | highbass | somiaj: i mounted a iso and using dell DRAC to do it,,, and in syslog i see that it detects it and i see two drives come up ... sdb and sdc ... |
| 01:33.46 | highbass | i run the mount command "mount /dev/sdb/ /mnt/iso" and i get the error above |
| 01:33.51 | highbass | i tried it with sdc also and same thing... |
| 01:33.54 | somiaj | highbass: You just want to mount an .iso file? |
| 01:33.56 | highbass | not sure what i could be missing |
| 01:33.57 | highbass | yes |
| 01:34.10 | somiaj | highbass: you are going about it wrong, what you want is called a loopback device |
| 01:34.20 | linuxator | somiaj: root@debian:~# update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda |
| 01:34.22 | linuxator | -su: update-grub: command not found |
| 01:34.26 | somiaj | highbass: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount |
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| 01:35.37 | somiaj | linuxator: grub2-common: /usr/sbin/update-grub -- that file should be there if you have that package installed. 'echo $PATH' does root have /usr/sbin in it's path it should |
| 01:35.40 | highbass | somiaj: sorry i think i gave incorrect information... i am bringing up a virtual media drive fron server the server drac through which i am mounting an iso... iso doesn't reside on the server itself |
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| 01:37.25 | linuxator | somiaj: root@debian:~# echo $PATH |
| 01:37.31 | linuxator | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 01:38.21 | somiaj | linuxator: you can look for yourself and see that /usr/sbin is there, so do you have grub packages installed, 'dpkg -l | grep grub2-common' |
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| 01:39.22 | linuxator | somiaj: no output |
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| 01:40.13 | somiaj | then you don't have grub packages installed. 'dpkg -l | grep grub' though I doubt you have any grub packages installed. |
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| 01:42.53 | highbass | ah it was mounting it as a cd rom nm got it |
| 01:42.53 | highbass | thanks! |
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| 01:49.40 | gr33n7007h | Anybody help me get my bluetooth working? |
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| 01:56.59 | gr33n7007h | Anybody help me get my bluetooth working? |
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| 01:59.00 | comradekingu | gr33n7007h: install bluemon, or provide some info about what isnt working, maybe some details about your setup |
| 02:03.57 | gr33n7007h | comradekingu, http://pastebin.com/pSEiwyBj |
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| 02:23.44 | broheimium | I wish kfreebsd/debian would just kick in finally |
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| 02:25.26 | centrx | broheimium, "technology preview" not good enough for you? |
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| 02:26.46 | kevix | I'm guessing more user testing and bug report are needed, broheimium? |
| 02:26.49 | Reelax | grep |
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| 02:26.56 | Reelax | oops |
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| 02:35.41 | broheimium | kevix, indeed, but I'm way too busy with work at the present time in order to install/mess/test/debug |
| 02:36.50 | mo1991 | can someone point me to the debian netinstall disc with the wifi drivers on it, I am trying to install my brothers computer with wheezy and need to do net install with belkin n150 usb card |
| 02:37.01 | mo1991 | seems usb is not found on netinstall |
| 02:37.38 | mo1991 | I think it's not finding the usb at all as it doesn't ask me if I want to add the wifi drivers as it normally does with a card with no drivers |
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| 02:40.50 | dvs | !tell mo1991 about firmware iso |
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| 02:42.39 | mo1991 | dvs - does it detect usb cards? i'm pretty sure it's not the firmware at this point. it doesn't detect the usb wifi card at all. I can add the firmware if needed. |
| 02:42.53 | mo1991 | meaning does the netinstall firmware image also have usb drivers? |
| 02:43.16 | mo1991 | i've done many debian installs and never seen this issue |
| 02:44.23 | dvs | mo1991: It contains all the firmware packages available from Debian: free or nonfree. |
| 02:44.43 | mo1991 | perhaps netinstall just doesnt' have the full usb driver set? |
| 02:44.56 | mo1991 | I know this card, belkin n150 works |
| 02:45.38 | mo1991 | it detects fine on the computer i'm typing this to you on. just not detected with wheezy install disc. I'm going to try with cd1??? rather than netinstall .... |
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| 02:45.54 | mo1991 | frustrating as my brother is frustrating anyway :) |
| 02:46.35 | mo1991 | thanks dvs for the link :) |
| 02:46.44 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:55.39 | mo1991 | does wheezy netinstall work with usb 3? bros computer only has usb3 slots - and thus isn't detecting the usb wifi i'm guessing |
| 02:57.02 | mo1991 | I can't imagine it doesn't work with usb 3. anyway ranting |
| 02:57.23 | somiaj | could it be the devices |
| 02:57.42 | somiaj | I didn't think usb2 devices could be pluged into usb3 slots. Are you sure he doesn't have any usb2 plugs, every usb3 mobo I've seen has both |
| 02:57.45 | somiaj | the usb3 are blue |
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| 02:58.31 | mo1991 | its all blue |
| 02:58.58 | mo1991 | wheezy netinstall just doesn't detect belkin n150 usb wifi card for some reason. I doubt its the usb actually, |
| 02:59.06 | mo1991 | althought they are all usb 3 |
| 02:59.27 | ctmjr | usb3 is backwards compatible |
| 02:59.31 | somiaj | mo1991: open up a console, type 'dmesg | grep firmware' do you see some error about unable to load firmware |
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| 03:00.09 | somiaj | seems usb3 support has been in since 2.6.31 so 3.2 shoudl support it. |
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| 03:03.10 | mo1991 | somiaj - yes it does give error about not finding firmware |
| 03:03.46 | mo1991 | strange thing is it doesn't ask me if I want to install additional firmware at the begininng of install like it normally does with a wifi card that needs firmware from non free |
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| 03:03.50 | omnitrix | which distribution you have guys? |
| 03:03.57 | mo1991 | I guess I should try the firmware netinstall |
| 03:05.03 | omnitrix | mo1991: you install stable? |
| 03:05.16 | mo1991 | yes |
| 03:05.22 | mo1991 | trying |
| 03:05.35 | mo1991 | I run stable. trying to install on bro's computer |
| 03:05.46 | omnitrix | install jessie is better i think |
| 03:05.48 | mo1991 | having trouble with wifi firmware |
| 03:05.59 | mo1991 | trust me . he needs stable. |
| 03:06.11 | mo1991 | less to go wrong |
| 03:06.15 | mo1991 | :) |
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| 03:06.25 | mo1991 | but I know what you mean by better wifi support |
| 03:06.35 | dvs | mo1991: you haven't tried the firmware install yet?!? |
| 03:06.43 | mo1991 | downloading now |
| 03:06.54 | mo1991 | I've never had to use it before as I normally use wired install |
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| 03:12.35 | omnitrix | try maybe install from not netinstall cd |
| 03:12.44 | omnitrix | and later install driver for your wifi card |
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| 03:14.11 | mo1991 | hmmm. firmware install doesn't find it either |
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| 03:16.13 | mo1991 | RTL8188SU is the card |
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| 03:18.13 | ctmjr | is it a laptop or deskto |
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| 03:18.28 | mo1991 | desktop |
| 03:18.33 | mo1991 | usb wifi card |
| 03:19.10 | mo1991 | belkin n 150 with above chipset |
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| 03:20.55 | ctmjr | if it is not allready try it in the motherboard header on the back sometimes the front usb connectors act funny |
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| 03:21.31 | ctmjr | it is a shot in the dark |
| 03:21.45 | dvs | he's gone |
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| 03:22.54 | ctmjr | oh thanks |
| 03:23.08 | mo1991 | ok, so pluggin the belkin n150 into my working wheezy setup it works fine. just doesn't work with netinstall. even the firmware netinstall |
| 03:23.50 | mo1991 | does need the firmware-realtek package |
| 03:24.04 | mo1991 | to work, but netinstall firmware cd apparently doesn't have that???? |
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| 03:26.08 | mo1991 | ideas anyone? |
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| 03:26.24 | ctmjr | if it is not allready try it in the motherboard header on the back sometimes the front usb connectors act funny |
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| 03:26.43 | mo1991 | ok i'll try |
| 03:29.07 | mo1991 | no luck |
| 03:29.23 | mo1991 | any way to tell which install dvd has the firmware-realtek package |
| 03:30.30 | mo1991 | ah, I guess I'll install with dvd1 rather than netinstall. and I can just add the package |
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| 04:11.50 | sandman13 | how should i install libreoffice in Debian 7 Wheezy? from the repos or using dpkg |
| 04:13.02 | centrx | sandman13, Use apt-get install libreoffice |
| 04:13.42 | sandman13 | centrix: but it installs the old unsupported version 3.x? |
| 04:14.48 | centrx | sandman13, I see. Use wheezybackports |
| 04:14.56 | centrx | wheezy-backports |
| 04:15.02 | centrx | dpkg, tell sandman13 about wheezy-backports |
| 04:15.50 | sandman13 | centrix: do i have to remove the currently installed version of it? |
| 04:16.28 | centrx | sandman13, Did you install the old version from the Debian repository? |
| 04:16.43 | sandman13 | yes |
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| 04:18.01 | centrx | sandman13, Then apt will upgrade it for you to the new version |
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| 04:18.41 | sandman13 | centrix: how to check the version number of the libreoffice available in the backports |
| 04:18.45 | centrx | sandman13, Debian package manager handles all of this seamlessly as long as you stick with Debian packages from the Debian repository |
| 04:18.54 | centrx | sandman13, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice |
| 04:19.40 | centrx | sandman13, or /msg judd v libreoffice |
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| 04:22.08 | sandman13 | centrx: are the packages updated in backports when new stable version is available? |
| 04:23.09 | kevix | backports are not availble for many packages |
| 04:23.34 | kevix | but libreoffice is something I'd expect |
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| 04:25.46 | centrx | sandman13, backports are updated irregularly, some fast some slow, and some packages do not have backports, but the common desktop apps do |
| 04:26.02 | centrx | and many other common apps |
| 04:27.49 | sandman13 | centrx: i think libreoffice's backports are update regularly because i have seen articles describing about installation of libreoffice 4.0 while current version is 4.1 |
| 04:29.12 | centrx | They seem to be pretty up-to-date, and it would make sense that there would be high-interest in updating it |
| 04:30.08 | sandman13 | centrx: i have added the sources to sources.list, run apt-get update now what do i do apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get install libreoffice |
| 04:31.35 | kevix | sandman13: well, apt-get install libreoffice would only update one app while the other might do mnay |
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| 04:32.01 | sandman13 | or this: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libreoffice |
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| 04:33.26 | kevix | I dont recall the priority of backports. if the priority was less, that would be needed. |
| 04:33.47 | centrx | sandman13, It is better to install individual packages that you specifically want from backports, rather than upgrading everything. |
| 04:34.28 | centrx | dpkg, tell sandman13 about backport caveat |
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| 04:44.08 | spyder | is it recommended to use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 04:46.20 | centrx | spyder, They use the same fundamental package system |
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| 04:47.53 | spyder | centrx: ok |
| 04:48.04 | sandman13 | centrx: is it a good idean to run debian testing |
| 04:48.21 | spyder | how to add x86 packages in a x64 system? |
| 04:48.54 | centrx | sandman13, Depends on how much updates you want and how much risk you can tolerate |
| 04:49.15 | centrx | dpkg, tell spyder about multiarch |
| 04:49.31 | centrx | spyder, Install i386 packages on an amd64 system with multiarch |
| 04:49.46 | spyder | centrx: ok thanks |
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| 04:49.58 | sandman13 | centrx: i just want new but stable softwares and don't mind the update |
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| 04:50.21 | centrx | Debian stable + backports is pretty stable and new |
| 04:50.22 | sandman13 | but not like that of unstable |
| 04:50.32 | centrx | testing is less stable and more new |
| 04:51.06 | sandman13 | centrx: most of the people in other channel suggest running testing so |
| 04:51.07 | kevix | the use of stable/testing/unstable is an indication of how ofen they get software updates |
| 04:51.52 | centrx | sandman13, What other channel? |
| 04:52.00 | kevix | most bug fixes go to unstable. |
| 04:52.42 | kevix | after about 10 days, software from unstable goes to testing. |
| 04:52.44 | sandman13 | centrx: ##linux |
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| 04:52.53 | sandman13 | reddit also |
| 04:53.00 | kevix | and about every 18 months, testing becomes stable. |
| 04:53.01 | centrx | sandman13, testing is pretty safe, but if you are not familar with Debian you should start with stable |
| 04:53.21 | sandman13 | centrx: what does familarity means |
| 04:53.22 | centrx | sandman13, It is easy to upgrade, and impossible to downgrade |
| 04:54.00 | sandman13 | what to consider? |
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| 04:55.23 | centrx | sandman13, How important is it that the system be operational? How capable are you of fixing something that is broken on an update? |
| 04:55.40 | kevix | how would your computer being non-useable for a few days affect you, sandman13? |
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| 04:56.33 | kevix | people talk about wanting the latest and greatest software but that comes at a price |
| 04:56.50 | sandman13 | kevix: not much as i have another distro as backup Arch |
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| 04:57.02 | centrx | sandman13, That said, I've been using testing for like ten years and it works fine, but I undoubtedly forget all the times I had to fix something that was easy for me, but may not be for you |
| 04:57.22 | centrx | sandman13, Most recent example is a bash update caused bash completion to stop working |
| 04:57.37 | centrx | sandman13, So I downgraded bash to the previous version |
| 04:57.57 | sandman13 | centrx i have no experience in bug fixing though |
| 04:58.22 | kevix | you can start using stable and when you start getting more familiar, you can switch to testing. |
| 04:58.47 | kevix | I'd recommend joining the debian-user mailing list |
| 04:59.05 | kevix | its high volume, but you can learn a lot |
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| 05:00.07 | peterrooney | kevix: learn as much as here? |
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| 05:00.41 | kevix | peterrooney: I'd say so. |
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| 05:01.19 | kevix | no trolls and has people who can spot new problems with unstable before it hits you. |
| 05:01.19 | sandman13 | kevix: how do i start learning more about Debian? i know using Debian is the way but what to do? |
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| 05:01.54 | kevix | I joined the debian-user mailing list. |
| 05:02.09 | kevix | you might also find a debian user group in your area |
| 05:02.30 | sandman13 | kevix: no group |
| 05:02.53 | kevix | you live near Oregon? |
| 05:03.45 | sandman13 | nope I live in Asia |
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| 05:05.46 | kevix | sandman13: what part? Japan, China, etc? |
| 05:06.08 | kevix | sandman13: you can download a free book on Debian: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 05:15.28 | sandman13 | kevix: Nepal |
| 05:15.40 | kevix | oh cool |
| 05:16.00 | kevix | I know somenoe in Nepal (sort of) |
| 05:16.17 | sandman13 | kevix: who? |
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| 05:17.53 | kevix | sandman13: are you involved with OLE nepal? |
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| 05:19.27 | sandman13 | OLE? I have heard of it |
| 05:19.38 | kevix | sandman13: http://np.linkedin.com/pub/avash-mulmi/62/11a/290 |
| 05:20.03 | sandman13 | kevix: i knew you would point to him |
| 05:20.23 | kevix | oh? |
| 05:20.30 | kevix | is that good?! |
| 05:20.40 | sandman13 | yes |
| 05:20.59 | somiaj | notes this should probabaly be moved to #debian-offtopic |
| 05:21.11 | sandman13 | somiaj: okay |
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| 05:27.30 | maex_ | guten morgen |
| 05:27.47 | kevix | woof |
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| 05:30.10 | Frogmorton | Have installed rygel on wheezy but it doesn't seem to start at boot up. Is there a standard procedure for making it load at startup? |
| 05:31.02 | kevix | I've not used it. but I'd suggest looking at the Debian readme |
| 05:31.39 | maex_ | some who speak german ?? |
| 05:31.55 | kevix | !de |
| 05:31.56 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 05:32.52 | somiaj | Frogmorton: if the debian packges don't provide an init script there are various ways to go about it |
| 05:33.35 | somiaj | It says it is designed for Gnome, do you have to have gnome running to actually run that program, if so you will want to start it up with the gnome session manager |
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| 05:34.58 | kevix | debian packages have proper dependencies, so it will install whatever is required for it to work. |
| 05:36.22 | Frogmorton | Oh, startup applications... it is enabled there with a complex command line. will have to check what goes on with it at start. where would it log to? |
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| 05:39.53 | kevix | Frogmorton: /usr/share/doc/rygel/README |
| 05:40.31 | kevix | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/rygel/filelist |
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| 05:43.30 | kevix | Frogmorton: no obvious bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=rygel;dist=unstable |
| 05:43.53 | Frogmorton | Ok, had already checked the readme, second reading didn't give me much more |
| 05:44.20 | kevix | ok. then you need to investigate any issues with your system |
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| 05:45.08 | kevix | error are common in /var but I'm not sure if this package does that. |
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| 05:45.22 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:53.34 | gooey_ | Quick noob question: Under the downloads what are differences between CD's 1-9? |
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| 05:54.45 | Frogmorton | Is it better to have ECC enabled in bios or not? |
| 05:54.47 | kevix | gooey_: debian has set a procedure to create the cd's so that the 1 and 2 cd contains the most needed/used software and the later ones have less used software |
| 05:55.20 | _2_luciernaga | hummm |
| 05:55.29 | _2_luciernaga | hola |
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| 05:56.12 | gooey_ | thanks kevix |
| 05:56.16 | gooey_ | much appreciated |
| 05:57.11 | kevix | gooey_: if you want the fastest way, debian has a net install that is a small cd that uses the internet to get more software |
| 05:57.28 | kevix | gooey_: but the cd/dvd is the best for 'off-line' use |
| 05:59.47 | spyder | what are the scripts installed by vim-scripts? |
| 06:00.00 | spyder | and how to activate them? |
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| 06:00.37 | wols_ | Frogmorton: if your system has ECC, why not use it? |
| 06:00.49 | kevix | spyder: do you mean what vim scripts are installed or what scripts are used when the package is installed? |
| 06:01.25 | gooey_ | kevix: thanks I'm going to try out the netinstall right now seems to be the easiet way to do it |
| 06:02.58 | kevix | spyder: this might be helpful: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/vim-scripts/filelist |
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| 06:05.17 | ebfull | how is living on debian-testing or debian-unstable like |
| 06:05.26 | ebfull | i'm considering moving from stable for up-to-date wine libs |
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| 06:08.22 | HisaoNakai | o/ |
| 06:09.25 | shelpe | Hey guys, I'm having problem with setting up apache2. I used a2ensite on my config under sites-available but when i visit the url it only shows "The server works! this is the default page". why is it not loading my config so that it displays everything under my site root ? |
| 06:09.30 | spyder | kevix: thanks |
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| 06:12.04 | wols_ | shelpe: what is the root directory of your site? |
| 06:12.48 | wols_ | and what is the url? debian sets up a "site" by default which shows just that. so if you overwrite that url, don't want a subdomain for yours, you need to remove the default |
| 06:13.11 | shelpe | wols_: /home/shelpe/www |
| 06:13.29 | mo1991 | grub boot error 'invalid arch independant ElF magic" help plz |
| 06:13.37 | mo1991 | after fresh wheezy install? |
| 06:13.41 | shelpe | wols_: are you saying i need to a2dissite sites-available/default? |
| 06:13.57 | mo1991 | booted into rescue and reinstalled grub. same result as above |
| 06:14.13 | wols_ | shelpe: depending what you have in your virtualhost directive, yes |
| 06:14.40 | wols_ | mo1991: this happens when you try to boot the kernel from grub, right? if so, you'd have to reinstall the kernel, not grub |
| 06:15.03 | wols_ | mo1991: or does it happen even later in the boot process? |
| 06:15.06 | kevix | mo1991: did you install a 64bit biniary on a 32bit machine? |
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| 06:15.56 | shelpe | wols_: thanks, that was the trick! so long since i set up one :) |
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| 06:17.47 | mo1991 | wols kevix - happens after fresh wheezy install ???? ive installed wheezy plenty |
| 06:17.51 | mo1991 | this is new to me |
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| 06:18.52 | wols_ | mo1991: answer the actual question please. WHEN exactly does it happen? |
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| 06:20.11 | mo1991 | as soon as boot |
| 06:20.20 | mo1991 | when grub menu should happen |
| 06:20.46 | mo1991 | is this some uefi bios stuff? this is the first mother board I've ever worked with that had it |
| 06:21.02 | wols_ | are you using UEFI or are you using CSM? |
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| 06:21.34 | mo1991 | wols, I honestly don't know what that means. I'm just installing wheezy as I've done many times before |
| 06:21.51 | wols_ | !efi |
| 06:21.51 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 06:22.00 | mo1991 | it's not my computer. my motherboard doesn't have uefi |
| 06:22.27 | wols_ | did this computer run windows 8 before? |
| 06:22.35 | mo1991 | no |
| 06:22.48 | mo1991 | built computer. gigabyte motherboard |
| 06:22.59 | wols_ | enable CSM in BIOS and be done with it then |
| 06:23.09 | mo1991 | my motherboard is gigabyte too, but not as new as this |
| 06:23.21 | wols_ | or try to get it to work with grub-efi-amd64 |
| 06:23.23 | mjt | CSM? compatibility mode? |
| 06:23.31 | mo1991 | i'd love to just turn uefi off |
| 06:23.43 | wols_ | mo1991: you turn it "off" by using CSM |
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| 06:23.58 | wols_ | the mobo manual tells you where and how |
| 06:24.02 | mo1991 | csm ... please explain |
| 06:24.19 | wols_ | CSM makes UEFI act as the old BIOS did |
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| 06:24.47 | mo1991 | I'll go look at bios. any idea where i'm looking. this is a new school bios and i'm an old school bios kind of guy :) |
| 06:25.20 | wols_ | no, but gigabyte has good manuals, you can download them from gigabyte.com as PDF and then search for "CSM" in ther |
| 06:25.25 | mo1991 | CSM support disbled? |
| 06:25.29 | wols_ | as for what CSM is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#CSM_booting |
| 06:25.29 | mo1991 | it's on auto now |
| 06:25.33 | wols_ | no, you need to enable it |
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| 06:25.48 | mo1991 | ah, will do. |
| 06:26.40 | wols_ | and you reinstall grub with grub-install btw |
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| 06:27.22 | mo1991 | CSM is enabled by default |
| 06:28.15 | mo1991 | the wheezy install disc asked me some strange question about efi during install i've not seen before . perhaps that is relevant? |
| 06:28.24 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 06:28.28 | mo1991 | I ignored it as i've never seen it before |
| 06:29.00 | wols_ | you cannot ignore it, you have to answer it one way or the other. |
| 06:29.08 | mo1991 | wols - what is efi? |
| 06:29.28 | wols_ | EFI aka UEFI, the thing that replaced BIOS |
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| 06:29.31 | mo1991 | I've installed debian for a lot of years and not seen this question. is this new motherboard stuff |
| 06:29.47 | wols_ | it is. technology advances over time |
| 06:30.01 | mo1991 | wols - making me feel old :) |
| 06:30.14 | mo1991 | so what do i do :) |
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| 06:31.59 | wols_ | you enable CSM, you actually read what the installer tells you and don't just "ignore" it. your goal is not to use EFI |
| 06:32.20 | mo1991 | CSM is enabled by default in bios |
| 06:32.27 | mo1991 | and was during install |
| 06:33.19 | wols_ | sure but obviously something went wrong nevertheless. and if CSM is used, debian treats a UEFI system exactly like a BIOS one. |
| 06:33.30 | wols_ | so maybe UEFI was still used |
| 06:33.37 | mo1991 | I agree - i'm not totally ignorant of this subject as i've read of others headaches. but pretty ignorant as I made I didn't have to deal with it on my comp |
| 06:34.49 | mo1991 | ok, i've tried to install twice - got this error both times - but did "defautl the efi" question - should I try again or should I try bios change first? |
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| 06:35.43 | mo1991 | apparently CSM enabled should be turning this off it seems, but CSM enabled is how i did the last two installs and it still asked me some questions i didn't know how to answer |
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| 06:39.00 | mo1991 | doing reinstall, it actually pops up something about efi while booting wheezy install dvd - just for a sec or two?? |
| 06:39.13 | mo1991 | anyone enlighted me |
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| 06:40.33 | mo1991 | disc boots normally after that, but still weird efi message first |
| 06:41.37 | babilen | mo1991: Did you create the partitions necessary for EFI? (bios boot partition, efi system partition) |
| 06:41.49 | mo1991 | no |
| 06:42.42 | mo1991 | babilen - no. i've never used efi. and would love to shut it off. this is the message i ignored during partitioning i'm sure. can i just turn this off somehow or do i need an efi partition. ?? |
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| 06:43.04 | mo1991 | what do i need to do? |
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| 06:44.17 | babilen | mo1991: You should be able to turn it off easily in your BIOS, but from what you've said that doesn't seem to be possible (for whatever reason) - The easiest way to create the necessary partitions is probably to use one of the guided partitioners and to then customize the remaining (!) partitions |
| 06:45.03 | babilen | mo1991: Apart from that it shouldn't be too hard to chroot into the system, install grub-pc (*not* grub-efi!) and to reinstall grub to the disk with the steps outlined in <fixmbr> -- /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 06:45.18 | babilen | mo1991: But what is the exact error you are running into? |
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| 06:46.47 | mo1991 | babilen, this is a fresh install on my brothers computer . he bought a newer mother board than what i recommended, and it has this uefi shit. it's a nice gigabyte mother board , just as mine is but newer |
| 06:47.39 | babilen | mo1991: New hardware uses UEFI and there simply is no need to get irate about it |
| 06:47.44 | mo1991 | I'm just trying to install wheezy, i cant seem to do that. this is really frustrating, as I've installed wheezy at least 20 times before on various machines, old ones tho, or older than uefi |
| 06:48.01 | mjt | so just turn uefi boot off |
| 06:48.05 | mo1991 | babilen, fair enough. |
| 06:48.08 | babilen | mo1991: Yes, I understand all that but statements like that will not help *at all* in resolving this issue |
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| 06:48.20 | mo1991 | fair enough |
| 06:48.25 | babilen | :) |
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| 06:48.53 | mjt | every consumer motherboard as ships today has ability to use legacy boot method without secure boot or uefi stuff. Only some notebooks or pre-built PCs may be locked. |
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| 06:49.46 | babilen | mo1991: You should be able to either turn UEFI off (legacy mode, CSM or whatever it is called) or to actually use it. My impression is as if you installed in EFI mode, but failed to create the partitions necessary for that setup. I'd personally just create those partitions and get on with it, but you can probably chroot into you install, install grub-pc and be done too. |
| 06:49.50 | mo1991 | so, it seems i should be able to shut this off in bios somewhere. CSM support is already enabled, so that didn't help. any other ideas how to turn this off? |
| 06:50.02 | babilen | mo1991: So, would you mind trying that? |
| 06:50.24 | mjt | "that didn't help" hehe |
| 06:50.25 | mo1991 | at the moment, I can't get anything to boot . |
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| 06:51.02 | mo1991 | other than install disc, |
| 06:51.09 | mjt | scm _enables_ to use old/legacy boot method. It does not magically turn whatever is on your hdd now into legacy-bootable system |
| 06:51.12 | babilen | mo1991: Boot a live CD, chroot into the install, install grub-pc and you are done. (cf. <fixmbr> + "apt-get --purge install grub-pc grub-efi-") |
| 06:51.52 | mo1991 | i'm fine reinstalling - i'd rather reinstall - if i can get this shut off in bios |
| 06:52.00 | babilen | mo1991: Your system will still have a broken grub-efi installation even after you enabled legeacy mode |
| 06:52.29 | mo1991 | babilen, there is nothing but a broken install on system so far, so reinstall doesn't matter |
| 06:52.32 | babilen | So, try the steps I've outlined twice now with enabled legacy mode and report on your findings |
| 06:52.37 | mjt | mo1991: please stop yelling about new technologies |
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| 06:52.53 | mjt | mo1991: i mean the words you use about uefi |
| 06:53.00 | mo1991 | sorry if i'm bitching . trying to be calm :) |
| 06:53.55 | mo1991 | going to closely inspect bios |
| 06:54.20 | babilen | mo1991: Okay, then either reinstall (and make sure that grub-pc is being installed) or fix the *completely installed* system you have already. My personal take on this would be to perform an EFI installation with the partitions you need for that, but feel free to do what you want. But please, chroot into the system and fix your current installation as indicated above. |
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| 06:55.22 | babilen | mo1991: You could have done that three times in the time we've discussed this and doing so would have provided all of us with valuable information about your system's state. So, do yourself and us a favour and *get on with it*! ;) |
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| 07:03.41 | mo1991 | how big should an efi partition be ;) |
| 07:04.09 | _2_luciernaga3 | :O |
| 07:04.11 | terabit | <--- this big :P |
| 07:04.33 | _2_luciernaga3 | :O |
| 07:05.07 | mo1991 | :) |
| 07:05.14 | mjt | that's just 128Gb |
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| 07:05.40 | somiaj | mo1991: I did 500megs on mine, but 256megs or even smaler may work. |
| 07:06.05 | somiaj | mo1991: partly depends how much stuff you want to boot from it (dual boot situations). |
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| 07:06.48 | mo1991 | somiaj, i guess i dont' really get what it's doing. I do have dual boot with win 7, but that's also my install not factory, new to uefi |
| 07:06.51 | mjt | is there a way to convert existing install (incl. windows) from classic mbr to uefi? |
| 07:07.14 | mjt | ok, google should know :) |
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| 07:07.51 | somiaj | mo1991: basically it is a simple fat32 partition your bios can read to give better booting control. So you want your system to either bootin uefi or legacy mode. If you want uefi mode you're windows 7 can share the efi partition, but you'll need more space for that |
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| 07:08.24 | somiaj | mo1991: 100meg is min, if you plan to dual boot windows 7 and also have it boot in efi mode I'd do at least 250 meg or more. |
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| 07:09.12 | mo1991 | i installed the windows setup to this machine too, but i also told it to ignore uefi - and there is no efi partition currently. this is a custom build computer, but with a new gigabyte motherboard that i cant seem to shut uefi off on. |
| 07:09.25 | mjt | i think it is better to install windows in uefi mode first |
| 07:09.27 | mo1991 | anyway, as to learn the new ways :) I'll make a new efi partition |
| 07:09.49 | mo1991 | I don't care about windows really, just want to get debian up |
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| 07:10.44 | somiaj | mjt: you will have to use a GPT partition table, windows will automatically make the efi partition if you delete the old mbr partition table and create a gpt table |
| 07:10.47 | somiaj | mo1991: ^^ |
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| 07:11.15 | somiaj | mo1991: then when you install linux you can use the windows efi partition. You may want to double check windows makes it big enough but I belive it will be |
| 07:11.31 | somiaj | (just make sure you boot the install cd in efi mode else you won't have the ability to install in that mode) |
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| 07:16.03 | afidegnum | hello, pls how do I install phpmyadmin 4.1 in debian squeeze? |
| 07:16.15 | somiaj | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 07:16.16 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on i386 -- squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; wheezy: 4:3.4.11.1-2; jessie: 4:4.1.12-2; sid: 4:4.1.12-2 |
| 07:17.00 | mjt | squeeze? Note that squeeze security support ends in May |
| 07:17.29 | somiaj | afidegnum: Some things to consider. First are you sure the php version in squeeze will support all of it's features. If that is the case you will have to manually install phpmyadmin and also be weary of any seucrity issues with it |
| 07:17.53 | somiaj | mjt: it seems that there is gonna be a squeeze-lts that follows the 'offical' end of life to provide secuirity for squeeze until 2016 |
| 07:18.06 | afidegnum | ok |
| 07:18.27 | somiaj | afidegnum: but if the php version supports all of it's features you culd try to backport the jessie package (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 07:18.47 | afidegnum | no, it's ok, let me leave it like that :) |
| 07:18.56 | somiaj | afidegnum: or you could download the .php files from the upstream writers, configure it and the likes. After all in the end it is just a set of php scripts you can put as a webpage. |
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| 07:19.35 | afidegnum | I will do it later, I thought there is a direct installation like apt-get install set up the phpmyadmin to 3.7 |
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| 07:22.33 | mo1991 | somiaj - ok, so now if I add an efi partition, I have ntfs, /, /home, swap, and efi, which is more logical partitions that i can have.... |
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| 07:22.45 | mo1991 | primary not logical |
| 07:23.16 | somiaj | mo1991: note a key thing I said, 'you have to use GPT partition table' |
| 07:23.25 | somiaj | this doens't have the silly primary/logical setup either |
| 07:24.13 | mo1991 | wouldn't that wipe my existing winblows install? |
| 07:24.21 | somiaj | GPT partition tables are quite different than MBR, the efi partition is kinda like a speical one you make with the 'bootable' flag |
| 07:24.22 | mo1991 | GPT - guided partition |
| 07:24.25 | somiaj | it would |
| 07:24.34 | somiaj | I would install windows first (well reinstall) |
| 07:24.52 | somiaj | windows 7 will create a GPT partition table and an efi partition automatically then you can create the other partitions |
| 07:24.53 | mo1991 | is there no other way? it's just a new windows install but I hate installing windows |
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| 07:25.16 | mo1991 | I'm just amazed that this "upgrade" in technology is such a pita |
| 07:25.24 | somiaj | if you want efi boot, you have to change the parititon table format |
| 07:25.50 | somiaj | I belive you can create efi files and try it that way, but that would be more of a pain |
| 07:25.53 | mo1991 | I don't want efi boot, just seems that this not that new gigabyte motherboard has no way to shut it off? |
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| 07:26.49 | somiaj | mo1991: it must have a way to shut it off if windows isn't using this |
| 07:27.17 | somiaj | mo1991: on my system when I use the debian installer I saw two options to boot, from eithr the efi image or the legacy device in the boot menu when selecting the device |
| 07:27.34 | somiaj | make sure you select the legacy version of the device |
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| 07:28.09 | mo1991 | hmm, meaning the way the bios boots the cd? |
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| 07:28.33 | mo1991 | i'll check that out |
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| 07:30.18 | mo1991 | as boot options it has uefi - dvd rom can't seem to change it to non uefi?? |
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| 07:31.21 | somiaj | mo1991: debian.live.org, I don't believe the debian live images have an efi mode to boot with, could try to use one of those to install or fix your current install |
| 07:31.33 | somiaj | mo1991: arg, live.debian.net my brain is elsewhere |
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| 07:34.41 | mo1991 | somiaj - i think you may have solved it. we'll see, but I had my cdrom with UEFI boot, and now changed to not UEFI boot. |
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| 07:35.25 | somiaj | mo1991: but my experience with uefi and gpt partition tables was I enjoyed. The draw back is you have to change the whole partition table of your hd for it to work, but I was glad I finally went though with it |
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| 07:36.55 | mo1991 | somiaj - if i didn't have to reinstall winblows I would, but i dont' want to have to. I appreciate your help. as these bios settings really change the way you need to install linux |
| 07:37.05 | mo1991 | at least it seems that way to me. |
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| 07:40.18 | mo1991 | somiaj - what is the advantage to uefi and gpt partitions? I'm sure this will be normal to run into moving forward |
| 07:40.20 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 07:41.37 | catpiggest | mo1991, booting beyond 2TB, more partitions |
| 07:41.45 | somiaj | mo1991: with mbr you have a specific size of data that you have to put the boot info into, (grub/lilo is put there) |
| 07:41.45 | catpiggest | that's both GPT though |
| 07:42.09 | mo1991 | ok. |
| 07:42.37 | somiaj | mo1991: you also have this silly primary/logical format and restrctions on your partitions. So if you want to boot multiple systems you have to use a single boot loader that boots everything because you can only put so much in the mbr partof the partition table |
| 07:42.53 | mo1991 | btw somiaj - you solved the problem it seems. it was the way the install disc was booting via uefi. I turned it off and now install didn't ask me about efi partition for me to ignore :) and thus not boot |
| 07:43.23 | somiaj | mo1991: with asingle boot efi partition you can have your grub boot loader and your windows boot loader live side by side |
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| 07:43.52 | somiaj | mo1991: no need to chain load things, no need to have silly partition limits, split it up like you want, and and way more flexiable, mbr can only be so big |
| 07:43.58 | catpiggest | somiaj, the idea is that you still only use one loader, but it's in the firmware. and grub and winload live with chainloading perfectly fine ;) |
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| 07:44.35 | somiaj | you can acutually do away with grub altogether and just let the firmware load the kernel and init directally |
| 07:44.37 | catpiggest | GPT works great without (U)EFI, but windows either cant use GPT at all without running in EFI mode, or at least can't boot of it |
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| 07:44.53 | mo1991 | well, it almost makes me want to change the partition to use efi. almost except then i'd need to find a windows disc (not for me) - so I appreciate the help with the workaround. and now I know how to proceed in the future on newer machines |
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| 07:48.29 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 07:51.13 | mo1991 | somiaj - is there any good documentation for debian on the uefi stuff? Just curious as I really could have used some about 6 hours ago :) If not perhaps we should write some. Didn't find much on web other than confusion |
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| 07:51.47 | somiaj | mo1991: I found a decent guide, it just tooke me a while of playing around with my bios to get a feel for how it worked |
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| 07:53.12 | mo1991 | cool. I appreciate you help. I think I ran into this installing windows without efi partition on this same computer about 6 months ago, but i just thought it was some weird windows 7 thing..... anyway appreciate your help |
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| 08:07.33 | linuxator | dpkg:sources list |
| 08:07.33 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, linuxator |
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| 08:08.03 | linuxator | dpkg:-Sources list |
| 08:08.03 | dpkg | linuxator: are you using Windows? |
| 08:08.12 | Mikaela | dpkg: sourcs.list |
| 08:08.12 | dpkg | Mikaela: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:08.22 | linuxator | dpkg: Sources list |
| 08:08.23 | dpkg | linuxator: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:08.26 | Mikaela | linuxator: What are you looking for? |
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| 08:08.50 | Mikaela | You can also /query dpkg |
| 08:09.03 | linuxator | Mikaela: the sstandars sourceslist |
| 08:09.10 | somiaj | linuxator: type '/msg dpkg sources.list' |
| 08:09.24 | linuxator | ok,thamx |
| 08:09.37 | dfceaef | How can i close the monitor and make it enter 'power-save mode'? I want to make others think there's somethig wrong with the computer and not touch it. |
| 08:09.47 | linuxator | dpkg:sources.list |
| 08:09.48 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 08:13.42 | somiaj | linuxator: please /msg the bot, as in type the command I gave you |
| 08:13.53 | somiaj | linuxator: no need to paste the output in the channel |
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| 09:00.22 | mo1991 | somiaj - btw, the boot the cd via uefi in bios was the problem. all good now once i told bios to boot cd "regular" thanks for the help |
| 09:01.10 | somiaj | mo1991: (: |
| 09:02.15 | MonkeyDust | not sure if i'm in the right place -- my Readynas NAS (sparc) runs RAIDiator OS, which uses Debian Sarge sources -- when trying to run ircII as normal user, it says Segmentation fault -- what's that? hints & tips? |
| 09:02.33 | petern_ | Sarge... |
| 09:02.42 | petern_ | I'd take it offline :p |
| 09:03.01 | MonkeyDust | is Sarge old? i have no idea... |
| 09:03.06 | somiaj | wow that is old, umm, unless you get some trace or core dump to see exactly which place it had the fault it is just guessing. |
| 09:03.11 | petern_ | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (a.k.a. sarge) was released on 6th of June, 2005. Security updates have been discontinued as of the end of March 2008. |
| 09:03.25 | MonkeyDust | ok, Sarge is old, so that's why? |
| 09:04.23 | petern_ | Probably not but I don't think anyone would want to support it. |
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| 09:04.51 | wols_ | MonkeyDust: where did you get this ircII from? |
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| 09:05.08 | wols_ | cause sarge repos probably still have it. complete with all the security flaws in it |
| 09:05.34 | MonkeyDust | wols_ it was in the sarge repos, in fact i was looking for irssi |
| 09:05.48 | petern_ | Hehe |
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| 09:05.57 | petern_ | Yeah, Sarge is a bit too old to have irssi, I bet. |
| 09:06.06 | MonkeyDust | ok |
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| 09:07.40 | MonkeyDust | ah, sarge is EOL since 2008, is what i read now |
| 09:08.11 | petern_ | That's what I wrote, yes. |
| 09:08.42 | petern_ | It was superseded in 2007. |
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| 09:26.19 | mo1991 | sarge was a cool name tho. . . |
| 09:27.19 | wols_ | so now you are waiting for one named "sargeant major"? |
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| 09:28.37 | mo1991 | I also thought woody was a cool name |
| 09:28.53 | mo1991 | etch lenny wheezy not so much |
| 09:28.56 | cousin_luigi | woodpecker? |
| 09:29.50 | cousin_luigi | Anyway, how can I build a kernel with make-kpkg --append-to-version "-xyz" without having "xyz" appended to all depending packages? |
| 09:30.14 | wols_ | cousin_luigi: read the kernel handbook. make-kpkg is legacy by now |
| 09:30.20 | cousin_luigi | wols_: oh |
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| 09:30.52 | cousin_luigi | what should I use instead? |
| 09:31.31 | wols_ | !kernel handbook |
| 09:31.34 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/) - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 09:31.56 | wols_ | vanilla kernel make now has a target for creating .deb |
| 09:32.51 | mo1991 | gnight all, thanks for the help |
| 09:32.57 | cousin_luigi | not vanilla |
| 09:33.36 | wols_ | but the debian kernel source is based on vanilla |
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| 09:34.04 | cousin_luigi | it's a custom kernel I'm playing with. I'm not sure what's based on. |
| 09:34.20 | wols_ | I'm very certain it is based on vanilla :) |
| 09:35.53 | cousin_luigi | how would you know? |
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| 09:38.03 | wols_ | cause it's linux. it always is based on the vanilla kernel maintained by linus torvalds. |
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| 09:41.53 | Skyrid3r | Greetings everyone |
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| 09:48.38 | hoxu | dpkg: why don't you just ask |
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| 10:01.10 | linuxator | how to add user 'deepblue' to group 'sharedusers'? |
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| 10:01.30 | SynrG | adduser deepblue sharedusers |
| 10:01.57 | hoxu | linuxator, check out synopsis for "man adduser" |
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| 10:02.44 | linuxator | SynrG:ok,thanx a lot |
| 10:03.03 | linuxator | SynrG: Ok,thanx a lot |
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| 10:07.02 | miguelg_ | Hello, trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage with 8 parallel jobs but only one job is spawned. |
| 10:07.32 | miguelg_ | Tried with dpkg_buildpackage -j8, setting MAKEFLAGS and even setting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=8 |
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| 10:12.22 | miguelg_ | Hello, trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage with 8 parallel jobs but only one job is spawned. |
| 10:12.26 | hejux | debian is really good at server |
| 10:12.52 | miguelg_ | oops, apologies -- meant to paste that elsewhere |
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| 10:28.26 | Tachyon` | Hi, running Wheezy on a Panasonic touchbook CF-18, it's mostly fine but the touchscreen isn't calibrated, I've attempted to find xinput-calibrator but can't seem to locate the package it's in... Anyone know where I might find it? |
| 10:28.39 | Tachyon` | toughbook that is |
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| 10:29.33 | hid3 | Are there any plans to restore the old-good BusinessCard ISOs? |
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| 10:30.18 | Tachyon` | if you can find business card DVDs you could probably just burn netinst to them |
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| 10:32.30 | wols_ | Tachyon`: there is no xinput-calibrator in debian. you can check yourself with apt-file or http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:32.40 | wols_ | hid3: afaik no |
| 10:33.18 | Tachyon` | it's in the debian bug tracking system but not in any package? |
| 10:33.32 | wols_ | which bug? |
| 10:34.02 | Tachyon` | oh, that's a wishlist entry, not a bug |
| 10:34.08 | Tachyon` | well that was obvious -.- |
| 10:35.24 | Namikaze | Tachyon` here is a Testint-Version for Debian, you could give it a try: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xinput_calibrator/ |
| 10:35.39 | Tachyon` | ah, thankyou |
| 10:35.39 | Namikaze | s/t/g |
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| 10:39.36 | Tachyon` | ah, working calibration at last -.o |
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| 11:48.15 | optraz | hello, im using jessie/sid, when flash play in iceweasel, there is sound, it is okay.. but when i open a video using totem, totem video do not play and no audio. however, if i close the flash, the totem start to play and with audio, how do i configured so that both can play with sounds simultaneously? |
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| 11:50.19 | joj | optraz: you need to configure ALSA to use software mixing. Otherwise, only 1 client can use the sound card at a time. Here's how: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Sharing_a_card_among_multiple_processes |
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| 11:53.31 | optraz | /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmix |
| 11:53.33 | optraz | dot have that file |
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| 11:54.11 | optraz | do not have that file joj |
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| 11:57.20 | joj | optraz: hmm ok, then create a file named .asoundrc in your home directory (~/.asoundrc) with this contents: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc#dmix |
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| 12:00.15 | optraz | no |
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| 12:06.16 | joj | optraz: then I need some debug info. Run the script http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh , it will generate a file with debug information. Please paste this file at http://paste.debian.net and post the link to the paste back here |
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| 12:08.36 | optraz | joj: thanks, i figured out |
| 12:08.40 | __boot | Hi, has anyone used one of the gemalto pcmcia smartcard readers under debian? |
| 12:08.43 | optraz | in icewasel ALSA lib pcm_ioplug.c:920:(snd_pcm_ioplug_create) ioplug: Plugin version mismatch |
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| 12:08.52 | optraz | so i install the same version for libasounds2 and libasounds2-plugins |
| 12:09.01 | optraz | thank you again |
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| 12:09.07 | joj | optraz: oh alright ... glad you could work it out |
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| 13:26.06 | valentt | Hi! Is anybody else using dotdeb.org source in Wheezy? I had issue with apt-get downgrading mysql from 5.6.17 (dotdeb package) to 5.5.25 (wheezy package) |
| 13:26.12 | wols_ | !dotdeb |
| 13:26.13 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 13:26.33 | wols_ | valentt: we do not support dotdeb cause their packages are of known bad quality |
| 13:27.11 | valentt | ok, thanks. I got one job supporting server that somebody previously installed dotdeb sources to :( |
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| 13:27.48 | valentt | will mysql database have any mayor issues if I keep using 5.5 wheezy version instead of 5.6 ? |
| 13:28.28 | wols_ | sure, sooner or later you will have security issues |
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| 13:28.49 | wols_ | uninstall your dotdeb one and install the one from wheezy. and remove dotdeb from your sources.list |
| 13:29.23 | valentt | wols_: thanks |
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| 13:31.44 | Norbertos | What makes xbindkeys start automatically ? I installed it, and it starts automatically, I didn't put anything in .xinitrc, I use XFCE. I didn't find anything in /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc. |
| 13:31.55 | Norbertos | ... plus I didn't find anything with rcconf |
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| 13:32.16 | sandman13 | do i have to generate public key again while using ssh on debian? i used to use putty for ssh while I was on windows |
| 13:33.28 | hejux | sandman13: you do. |
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| 13:34.38 | hejux | they are not compatible. |
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| 13:37.53 | sandman13 | hejux:i have the private key, if i generate a new one then i would have to copy that to the remote server right? |
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| 13:38.45 | valentt | mysql guys say it could be issue with using mysql database with 5.5 version if it was created with 5.6 version... |
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| 13:39.12 | themill | sandman13: the public and private keys are a pair -- you don't just regenerate one without generating the other again. You can convert between the putty and openssh formats quite easily. |
| 13:39.57 | sandman13 | themill: i have converted the private key from putty to ssh |
| 13:40.01 | valentt | maybe I will need to reinstall 5.6 version just to make a database export and then reinstall 5.5 version and import it back... |
| 13:40.25 | themill | sandman13: so you need to tell your ssh client to use that private key |
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| 13:40.58 | sandman13 | themill: means i don't have to generate public key |
| 13:41.16 | valentt | so my plan is to install mysql 5.6 from dotdeb.org, then export data, reinstall 5.5 wheezy package and import data... |
| 13:41.27 | themill | sandman13: precisely what do you mean by that |
| 13:41.36 | valentt | how to make apt-get to install mysql from dotdeb repository? |
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| 13:43.10 | hejux | sandman13: why not generate a new one, if you don't use that Windows anymore, it's more safe for you. |
| 13:43.52 | themill | sandman13: the usual approach is that the private key never leaves the machine it was generated on |
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| 13:44.57 | hejux | sandman13: you can generate anywhere, on server or your current computer, it will give you 2 files, scp the one to server, save the other one in local. please google for how to. |
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| 13:45.42 | sandman13 | adding the private key worked |
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| 13:46.04 | TopGear | Hiya. I need to move some files from a external USB drive to my NAS. The only problem is that I don't have GUI, only SSH. How do I move these files from an external USB drive to one of the internal drives? |
| 13:47.21 | flux242 | TopGear: scp |
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| 13:48.34 | sandman13 | thanks for the help themill and hejux |
| 13:48.49 | hejux | sandman13: np. good luck. |
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| 13:50.17 | TopGear | flux242: I maybe should've said I already run Linux Mint. I just need to figure out how to get to that external drive. |
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| 13:51.28 | flux242 | TopGear: cp |
| 13:51.30 | wols_ | !mint |
| 13:51.31 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 13:52.08 | TopGear | The terminal is the same, isn't it? I need to access a server via mint, the server is Debian... |
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| 13:52.30 | average | TopGear: you don't understand.. |
| 13:52.45 | wols_ | TopGear: you mount the usb stick on your debian and then use the command "cp" |
| 13:53.16 | TopGear | Figured as much... But where is that thing? /dev/usb? |
| 13:53.38 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.08 | TopGear | That's what I was looking for! Thank you very much. |
| 13:54.09 | average | do you even dmesg bro ? heh |
| 13:54.37 | average | today is my shitty joke day |
| 13:54.38 | average | hides |
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| 13:55.44 | sandman13 | TopGear: use lsblk -l |
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| 13:58.32 | TopGear | sandman13: Thank you as well. I'll see what gives me the output I'm looking for ^^ |
| 13:58.47 | sandman13 | np TopGear happy learning |
| 13:59.01 | average | TopGear: but now at least you have input, right ? |
| 13:59.09 | average | hides again |
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| 13:59.57 | TopGear | Hahaha, yes indeed. I just have to wait another four hours before I can get on with this part. Moving 170 GB with 7 MB/s isn't that quick. |
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| 14:04.48 | spyder | how to get matlab listed in software list or menu? |
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| 14:09.00 | flux242 | average: how do I post such status reply into a channel? |
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| 14:09.28 | softplay | hello i've problem mount a cd.. it doesn't mount It complains about the fact that i have to specify the filesystem type |
| 14:09.42 | softplay | but it is only a music cd.. |
| 14:09.50 | softplay | i'm confused |
| 14:10.13 | average | flux242: you need to read the manual first |
| 14:10.23 | blha303 | iirc music cds don't have files, as such |
| 14:10.24 | blha303 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39691 |
| 14:10.29 | themill | softplay: you don't normally mount a music CD at all (and something that really is a music CD doesn't get mounted at all) |
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| 14:11.02 | themill | spyder: depends on which desktop environment/window manager you're talking about |
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| 14:11.18 | softplay | themill, what should i do to listen to music then? |
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| 14:11.42 | themill | softplay: just run a cd playing program |
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| 14:11.53 | softplay | mplayer? |
| 14:11.53 | flux242 | average: i did. it's not there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_commands |
| 14:12.03 | softplay | i though i had to mount the cd at first |
| 14:13.39 | spyder | themill: gnome3 |
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| 14:15.04 | themill | spyder: gnome has a menu editing program to add new programs to your menu -- alacarte |
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| 14:16.05 | flux242 | themill: it's menulibre now |
| 14:16.09 | average | flux242: the manual of your IRC client |
| 14:16.34 | themill | flux242: not in wheezy. |
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| 14:16.51 | flux242 | ah, it's debian |
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| 14:21.27 | average | when can I expect the next version of jessie ? |
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| 14:21.50 | average | I am quite pretentious and would like it asap, but I'm willing to do something about it |
| 14:21.51 | flux242 | average: when it's done |
| 14:21.56 | average | what could I do, so that I get it faster ? |
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| 14:22.25 | average | flux242: very witty you are |
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| 14:23.01 | flux242 | average: you could fork it and DIY |
| 14:23.01 | zykotick9 | average: actually, "when it's done" _is_ the official answer ;) |
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| 14:23.40 | lieber | hello guys, i'm trying to apt-get update but i get a lot of Failed to fetch and 404. what should i do? i look my sourcelist but nothing seems wrong. |
| 14:23.40 | flux242 | average: you have input now, right? |
| 14:24.21 | average | flux242: hah ! you tried that joke on me now, but it doesn't work ! :P |
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| 14:24.33 | average | zykotick9: ah, ok then |
| 14:24.58 | zykotick9 | average: you can check the RC bugs... fixing those helps. |
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| 14:27.39 | lenswipe_dev | hey guys |
| 14:27.40 | lenswipe_dev | i was in here the other day having trouble with gdm3 starting up to a stopwatch only |
| 14:27.40 | lenswipe_dev | someone suggested it was because i had linux mint in my package list |
| 14:27.42 | lenswipe_dev | i commented that out and updated and upgraded and it's still broken |
| 14:28.00 | lenswipe_dev | its also worth nothing that gdm3 worked perfectly until the other day |
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| 14:28.25 | wols_ | just cause you removed it from sources.list doesn't mean the packages you installed from it are gone too. removing it from sources.list doesn't do anything |
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| 14:28.43 | lenswipe_dev | i started my machine up and gdm3 suddenly failed |
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| 14:29.04 | wols_ | then you need to check what you did the last time before that boot up |
| 14:29.23 | wols_ | and "last time" means the full uptime, not just the day before |
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| 14:30.49 | lenswipe_dev | wols_, oh, and by the way |
| 14:30.49 | lenswipe_dev | gdm3 was provided by the debian repos not the mint ones |
| 14:30.49 | lenswipe_dev | all I did before that boot up was to watch some movies then shut down (safely) |
| 14:30.49 | lenswipe_dev | i know |
| 14:30.49 | lenswipe_dev | could you point me in the way of where i should look for the logfiles |
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| 14:31.20 | wols_ | likevinyl: an other libraries that gdm3 depends on are probably from mint. so? |
| 14:31.43 | wols_ | all logfiles are in /var/log and there are /var/log/dpkg.log* for everything that dpkg has installed or removed |
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| 14:33.21 | lenswipe_dev | the hell was that for? |
| 14:33.36 | lenswipe_dev | why did I get kicked? |
| 14:34.00 | lenswipe_dev | did all of my messages arrive in batch or something? if so, I'm having trouble with my internet, it's not something I can help |
| 14:34.31 | average | lenswipe_dev: use a better connection |
| 14:34.40 | lenswipe_dev | average, how? |
| 14:34.43 | average | lenswipe_dev: if you have neighbours with a good connection, consider getting some wifi from them |
| 14:34.50 | lenswipe_dev | average, I don't. |
| 14:35.02 | average | you do not have neighbours ? |
| 14:35.09 | average | do you live on an island ? |
| 14:35.12 | lenswipe_dev | no, i have neighbours but they all have locked wifi |
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| 14:35.23 | lenswipe_dev | sorry to break it to you guys but not everyone lives in the middle of a big city with a Fibre connection |
| 14:35.37 | average | that is not possible, there must be at least one of them with a weak WEP authentication which you can break |
| 14:36.01 | lenswipe_dev | so you're suggesting i break the law? |
| 14:36.03 | lenswipe_dev | very nice. |
| 14:36.07 | average | no, I didn't say that |
| 14:36.09 | lenswipe_dev | yes |
| 14:36.10 | lenswipe_dev | you did |
| 14:36.14 | lenswipe_dev | that's illegal |
| 14:36.23 | cupantae2 | is it? |
| 14:36.24 | lenswipe_dev | regardless |
| 14:36.26 | cupantae2 | :D |
| 14:36.29 | average | good neighbours always share |
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| 14:36.32 | lenswipe_dev | cupantae2, it is where i live |
| 14:36.32 | average | whatever they have |
| 14:36.34 | average | for free |
| 14:36.35 | lenswipe_dev | regardless... |
| 14:36.37 | lenswipe_dev | back to the topic at hand |
| 14:36.48 | average | the topic at hand is you need better internet |
| 14:36.53 | lenswipe_dev | GDM3 has disappeared up it's own ass |
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| 14:37.00 | lenswipe_dev | wondered if someone in here could advise |
| 14:37.16 | lenswipe_dev | average, im fairly sure WEP cracking isn't on topic in #debian |
| 14:37.30 | cupantae2 | lulz |
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| 14:37.58 | lenswipe_dev | okay, seriously what the fuck |
| 14:37.59 | lenswipe_dev | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3449215697 |
| 14:38.02 | lenswipe_dev | that's my internet speed |
| 14:38.08 | lenswipe_dev | but I can barely maintain a stable connection to IRC |
| 14:38.10 | lenswipe_dev | seriously WTF? |
| 14:38.34 | average | lenswipe_dev: you know what you have to do bro, I told you ... |
| 14:38.42 | lenswipe_dev | average, and I don't care. |
| 14:38.52 | lenswipe_dev | now back to the discussion that IS on topic. |
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| 14:40.08 | average | lenswipe_dev: what was the topic again ? |
| 14:40.19 | lenswipe_dev | having issues getting gdm3 to start |
| 14:40.23 | lenswipe_dev | it just starts to a stopwatch |
| 14:40.32 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe_dev about not available |
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| 14:40.37 | lenswipe_dev | worked fine until a couple of days ago |
| 14:40.45 | themill | the output from that command would be handy to see |
| 14:40.46 | lenswipe_dev | then suddenly it just boots to a stopwatch |
| 14:40.51 | lenswipe_dev | themill, what command? |
| 14:41.00 | cupantae2 | lively in here today or what! |
| 14:41.07 | lenswipe_dev | themill, invoke gdm3 start? |
| 14:41.08 | lenswipe_dev | that command? |
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| 14:42.12 | average | may I interrupt ? why do you need gdm3 ? |
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| 14:43.19 | lenswipe_dev | average, im quite fond of having a desktop environment myself, dont know about you... |
| 14:43.34 | lenswipe_dev | im particularly fond of the one that ships with debian (gdm3) |
| 14:43.47 | themill | gdm is not a desktop environment |
| 14:43.48 | petern_ | gdm is not a desktop environment |
| 14:44.02 | average | lenswipe_dev: my debian shipped with lightdm |
| 14:44.09 | lenswipe_dev | i see |
| 14:44.20 | lenswipe_dev | well whatever the daemon is that handles the graphical login |
| 14:44.26 | lenswipe_dev | thats booting to a stopwatch |
| 14:44.35 | themill | waits for the pastebin |
| 14:44.54 | lenswipe_dev | themill, id love to give you one, but i dont know what you want |
| 14:45.01 | themill | that dpkg said |
| 14:45.08 | wols_ | lenswipe_dev: dpkg sent you a message. read it |
| 14:45.20 | lenswipe_dev | so the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 14:45.59 | themill | please engage brain in the process of asking for help |
| 14:46.37 | lenswipe_dev | a simple yes or no would suffice |
| 14:46.38 | lenswipe_dev | http://pastebin.com/x6jiWqUQ |
| 14:46.40 | lenswipe_dev | however, there it is |
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| 14:47.37 | average | lenswipe_dev: why do you have the british pack for firefox? are you a british person ? |
| 14:47.47 | lenswipe_dev | average, yes. |
| 14:47.53 | cupantae2 | his speedtest says london |
| 14:47.58 | lenswipe_dev | that ^ |
| 14:48.05 | average | lenswipe_dev: isn't the american english default enough for you ? |
| 14:48.31 | lenswipe_dev | average, the brittish one is like the american english one, but a better accent ;) |
| 14:48.35 | cupantae2 | its an install option |
| 14:48.47 | lenswipe_dev | im guessing it shipped with iceweasel when I selected "Brittish English" at install time on the debian installer |
| 14:48.49 | cupantae2 | like picking it over french |
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| 14:49.14 | lenswipe_dev | also - im allowed to make that accent joke because my fiance is american :p |
| 14:49.31 | themill | lenswipe_dev: no, it's crap you've picked up when you mixed in things from some other distro |
| 14:49.53 | average | lenswipe_dev: so what did she say when she saw you installing debian with british accents? was she like "omg, that's so posh!" |
| 14:49.56 | average | ? |
| 14:50.09 | lenswipe_dev | average, she congratulated me and we immediately had sex. |
| 14:50.13 | lenswipe_dev | congratulated* |
| 14:50.20 | average | how cute |
| 14:50.23 | themill | lenswipe_dev: so when exactly do you see this stopwatch? |
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| 14:50.30 | cupantae2 | anyone any advice on how to make this command stick. modprobe -r snd_usb_audio |
| 14:50.32 | cupantae2 | modprobe snd_usb_audio |
| 14:50.36 | lenswipe_dev | themill, when the GUI kicks in |
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| 14:50.45 | lenswipe_dev | normally I would see the stop watch, then the login screen would appear |
| 14:50.45 | themill | please be more descriptive |
| 14:50.59 | lenswipe_dev | as of now, i see the sotpwatch mouse cursor, then nothing else loads afterwards |
| 14:51.07 | lenswipe_dev | I would take a screenshot for you...but y'know.. |
| 14:51.16 | themill | ah... stopwatch mouse cursor. |
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| 14:51.20 | lenswipe_dev | yep |
| 14:51.24 | themill | not a stopwatch... |
| 14:51.37 | Artemis3 | gdm is evil anyway, purge reinstall or go lightdm :3 |
| 14:51.39 | petern_ | cupantae2, that unloads and reloads a kernel module. There is nothing to "stick" about that. |
| 14:51.44 | lenswipe_dev | themill, so what is it then |
| 14:52.04 | FaTony | Hi, how can I make lightdm work the same way as in Ubuntu, i.e. where you select user from a dropbox and not input it manually? |
| 14:52.11 | average | Artemis3 IS TOTALLY RIGHT ! |
| 14:52.12 | cupantae2 | well my sound went off and if googled till i found this ; http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/10/04/how-to-get-usb-sound-adapter-0d8c000c-working-as-primary-sound-card-in-debian-linux/ |
| 14:52.20 | average | install lightdm and quit using that silly gdm3 |
| 14:52.23 | softplay | which filesystem type is right for music cds in unix? |
| 14:52.25 | average | \o/ |
| 14:52.32 | themill | lenswipe_dev: have look at the log file for gdm then |
| 14:52.38 | cupantae2 | the comment gave a fix |
| 14:52.52 | themill | softplay: didn't we already cover this? There is no filesystem; you don't mount music CDs. |
| 14:52.53 | cupantae2 | but when i restart it turns off again |
| 14:52.58 | wols_ | softplay: ext4 |
| 14:53.18 | cupantae2 | cheers petern* |
| 14:53.26 | FaTony | average, but then I get 2 textboxes |
| 14:53.34 | lenswipe_dev | themill, okay...so should I tail -F the log file and then try starting gdm3 ? |
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| 14:54.22 | softplay | themill but if you don't mount them then how do you listen to them in mplayer? |
| 14:54.23 | Artemis3 | themill, i guess that needs a faq, the young ones don't know about red book standard it seems. |
| 14:54.40 | softplay | i just have mplayer and i cannot install software on this machine |
| 14:54.57 | spyder | why is menu editor of gnome 3 not accepting the logo i am giving it? |
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| 14:55.24 | average | FaTony: study your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? |
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| 14:55.59 | petern_ | softplay, mplayer cdda:// |
| 14:56.14 | petern_ | Actually that doesn't work very well. |
| 14:56.50 | FaTony | average, I am but can't find the exact setting |
| 14:57.08 | average | FaTony: that means you need to read more, and maybe read lightdm's manual.. |
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| 14:57.11 | joj | petern_: since when doesn't mplayer -cdrom-device $dev cdda:// not work very well ...? |
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| 14:58.12 | cupantae2 | average . for testing my own internet what wep cracking utility do you know to work :d |
| 14:58.31 | petern_ | joj, I don't know, I've never tried it before. For me it is playing 1 second, pausing 2 seconds, playing 1 second... etc. |
| 14:58.52 | Artemis3 | cupantae2, there is nothing to test, wep is broken, period. |
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| 14:58.58 | average | cupantae2: oh I never do that dude ! that's highly illegal ! |
| 14:59.13 | cupantae2 | or wep2 isnt it now? |
| 14:59.18 | joj | petern_: maybe add a -cache parameter? mplayer -cache 8192 cdda:// |
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| 14:59.29 | Artemis3 | ie using wep is the same as not using encription. stick to wpa2 with a decent password |
| 14:59.32 | cupantae2 | is it even to test your own? |
| 14:59.51 | cupantae2 | i think i meant wpa2* |
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| 15:00.07 | average | lenswipe_dev: is it illegal to break wep although it's widely known that wep is actually zero protection ? |
| 15:00.15 | average | I mean if everyone knows it.. |
| 15:00.19 | lenswipe_dev | average, in my jurisdiction, yes |
| 15:00.21 | average | why would it be illegal ? |
| 15:00.21 | Artemis3 | yes average zero protection. |
| 15:00.27 | lenswipe_dev | personally I use WPA2 |
| 15:00.33 | lenswipe_dev | i think most of my neighbours do toob |
| 15:00.34 | average | lenswipe_dev: will you use WEP to prove your point then ? |
| 15:00.34 | lenswipe_dev | too* |
| 15:00.37 | blha303 | breaking into someone else's private wifi connection is illegal |
| 15:00.38 | cupantae2 | its not illegal to pick a lock if its your own |
| 15:00.40 | petern_ | joj, no help, now I get spammed with cache emtpy :-) |
| 15:00.42 | average | to make a stance against illegal wifi abusers ? |
| 15:00.45 | lenswipe_dev | a |
| 15:00.55 | cupantae2 | or you have permission |
| 15:01.05 | lenswipe_dev | cupantae2, except hes saying that i should crack someone else's WEP key |
| 15:01.15 | lenswipe_dev | average, if there were any WEP access points around here, maybe |
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| 15:01.18 | lenswipe_dev | they're all WPA and WPA2 |
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| 15:01.24 | Artemis3 | i guess discussing laws are way offtopic, heh, pros to get written permission to ,, what was the term, pentest? |
| 15:01.25 | lenswipe_dev | mostly BT access points |
| 15:01.55 | Artemis3 | anyway google :P |
| 15:01.56 | joj | petern_: -cache 8192 -cache-min 100 ? = fill the cache up to 100 percent before starting to play? |
| 15:02.22 | average | but in some countries (finland) internet is declared to be a human right |
| 15:02.31 | lenswipe_dev | Artemis3, I tried this before - but he wont STFU about cracking WEP |
| 15:02.31 | average | how does that interfere with a weak WEP ? |
| 15:02.40 | lenswipe_dev | average, that is also offtopic now STFU about WEP. |
| 15:02.45 | average | can it be used as an excuse to circumvent/break any form of wifi authentication ? |
| 15:02.50 | lenswipe_dev | dude |
| 15:02.54 | Artemis3 | ok lets ignore the wep talk :) |
| 15:02.54 | average | what? |
| 15:03.02 | average | ok.. |
| 15:03.03 | lenswipe_dev | in the nicest possible way |
| 15:03.06 | lenswipe_dev | shut the fuck up about WEP |
| 15:03.11 | lenswipe_dev | It's massively offtopic here |
| 15:03.13 | lenswipe_dev | go to #networking |
| 15:03.42 | average | but you brought up your interwebz speed, I was just trying to aid you in your quest |
| 15:03.53 | Artemis3 | or work to pay your own internet :3 |
| 15:04.15 | lenswipe_dev | 1) WEP cracking is illegal in my country if it's not yours. 2) All my neighbours use WPA/WPA2 3) My internet connection has settled down now. |
| 15:04.35 | Artemis3 | lenswipe_dev, are you on dsl? |
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| 15:05.08 | lenswipe_dev | Artemis3, yes |
| 15:05.12 | lenswipe_dev | no cable here |
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| 15:05.20 | petern_ | I don't think you'll find any explicit law that says WEP cracking is illegal... |
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| 15:06.11 | blha303 | not specifically WEP cracking, but unlawful access to a private computer network? |
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| 15:06.19 | Artemis3 | lenswipe_dev, sometimes its the "phone" wire/jack, try pushing/cleaning (contact cleaner) or replacing the cable that goes from modem to wall |
| 15:06.53 | lenswipe_dev | Artemis3, the cabling is fairly new - i just live in a rural area with a shitty non LLU exchange |
| 15:07.10 | petern_ | LLU doesn't make it faster. |
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| 15:08.03 | average | lenswipe_dev: why do you live in a rural area? are you a nature lover ? |
| 15:08.12 | Artemis3 | might also help to get e newer modem, or one from another brand :) |
| 15:08.15 | petern_ | joj, nice. I'm watching the buffer-fill drop rapidly ;) |
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| 15:08.31 | petern_ | Managed to play 55 seconds with 8192 cache though |
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| 15:09.05 | Artemis3 | ie adsl2+ instead of adsl2 (and here i use an adsl1 lol) |
| 15:09.05 | lenswipe_dev | Artemis3, possibly, yeah |
| 15:09.19 | lenswipe_dev | average, do you have a mac? |
| 15:09.35 | average | no because I don't like Apple, because it's a piece of shit |
| 15:09.37 | Artemis3 | lenswipe_dev, but have seen people with problems with certain brand/model, replacing it and have their problems solved |
| 15:09.37 | lenswipe_dev | average, you should get a mac, macs are great, why dont you get a mac |
| 15:09.52 | lenswipe_dev | average, why dont you like apple? you could just steal a mac from best buy |
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| 15:09.58 | lenswipe_dev | average, you should go do that now |
| 15:10.02 | lenswipe_dev | average, go steal a mac form best buy |
| 15:10.05 | abhivym_ | which driver to install for gigabit inbuilt graphics card |
| 15:10.10 | lenswipe_dev | average, see how annoying it is? |
| 15:10.22 | abhivym_ | which driver to install for gigabit motherboard inbuilt graphics card |
| 15:10.29 | lenswipe_dev | Artemis3, honestly, i think its just my shiternet connection |
| 15:10.32 | petern_ | *Gigabyte |
| 15:10.42 | Artemis3 | um can you try at least lspci abhivym_ ? |
| 15:10.51 | lenswipe_dev | themill, so which logfile do i need to look at? there's lots in /var/log/gdm3 |
| 15:10.56 | petern_ | And that's a bit vague, they make lots of motherboards with different chipsets. |
| 15:11.03 | Artemis3 | i can't imagine how many models of motherboards could possibly gigabyte have |
| 15:11.07 | abhivym_ | Artemis3, tried. it only list VGA. do not give any specific number of model name. but motherboard is gigabyt. |
| 15:11.08 | cupantae2 | hahahaha |
| 15:11.21 | Artemis3 | abhivym_, try lspci -v ? |
| 15:11.22 | lenswipe_dev | themill, all these to be exact: http://pastebin.com/7ZMT7Szc |
| 15:11.32 | average | lenswipe_dev: I was merely suggesting that if you want to be hard-wired into the guts of modern society, like.. move to a metropolis |
| 15:11.49 | lenswipe_dev | I don't want to be hard-wired into the guts of modern society |
| 15:12.03 | lenswipe_dev | i want you to shut the fuck up about WEP |
| 15:12.11 | d3lxa | I have a system along its 3-disk raid5 to an other computer, 2 devices are up, last one is not (raid in degraded) I tried to to mdadm --re-add but failed (does not have a valid v1.2 superblock), I did an --examine and it says it's 1.2 and looks like the 2 other disks, any idea? |
| 15:12.17 | average | lenswipe_dev: ok |
| 15:12.24 | lenswipe_dev | kthxbai |
| 15:12.33 | abhivym_ | Artemis3, -v -vv no number no model name. but kernel driver in use is i915 |
| 15:12.33 | d3lxa | (I moved the system to an other computer*) |
| 15:12.58 | Artemis3 | no i doubt that helps, the motherboards usually add an extra chipset, you sure its turned on in bios? |
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| 15:13.16 | abhivym_ | Artemis3, let me restart and make sure. |
| 15:13.23 | Artemis3 | or you could read the chip itself (or take pic :) |
| 15:14.11 | frostschutz | d3lxa, nopaste the examine output somewhere? |
| 15:14.33 | frostschutz | d3lxa, --detail as well |
| 15:17.21 | d3lxa | frostschutz: yup http://sprunge.us/ChgF |
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| 15:20.44 | frostschutz | d3lxa, and if you --add instead of --re-add? |
| 15:20.46 | lenswipe_dev | themill, so here's the tail of /var/log/gdm3/:0.log ==> |
| 15:20.48 | lenswipe_dev | oops |
| 15:20.55 | lenswipe_dev | http://pastebin.com/DfwGnQEF |
| 15:20.57 | lenswipe_dev | there |
| 15:21.01 | d3lxa | frostschutz: I suspect it will just resync the whole thing :S |
| 15:21.15 | d3lxa | which takes something like 12 hours/24 hours, so I prefer to try anything else :) |
| 15:22.11 | d3lxa | (if there is none, then I can do --add as you said) |
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| 15:23.08 | abhivym_ | Artemis3, enabling some setting in bios solved the issue. testing more. thank you very much. |
| 15:23.26 | Artemis3 | abhivym_, good yw |
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| 15:24.03 | frostschutz | d3lxa, I haven't had much luck with bitmap resync speedups, myself. and never looked into which circumstance actually makes it work. I split my raid into smaller partitions instead, so when an accident happens (crash or disk not waking from standby fast enough), it usually does not affect the entire disk |
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| 15:25.47 | d3lxa | frostschutz: this https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Write-intent_bitmap ? |
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| 15:28.36 | frostschutz | d3lxa, yes (your array is already using a bitmap). you could also stop the array and try your luck with assemble force, but that leaves room for silent corruption... event counts don't match. if the data is okay with the disk missing, better to do a full sync |
| 15:29.05 | d3lxa | oh already using a bitmap? ok |
| 15:29.36 | d3lxa | frostschutz: so if I try to --add the device, it should use the bitmap if it can, right? |
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| 15:43.38 | d3lxa | frostschutz: ok thank you, it's doing a full resync, ~7 hours, would prefer not to resync but data are there so it's fine |
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| 16:09.39 | galex-713 | Hello, how can I save the content of a mms stream? So I can keep the audio for cutting and later usage? |
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| 16:09.54 | galex-713 | I mean, like I can just wget some http audio stream |
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| 16:10.46 | galex-713 | I noticed mplayer could read MMS streams: is there some mplayer feature to actually *save* what’s played? |
| 16:10.52 | wols_ | ~vlc can do this afaik |
| 16:11.07 | galex-713 | Yeah but I never understood its cli… |
| 16:11.29 | wols_ | http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch06.html has nice examples |
| 16:11.40 | galex-713 | ok |
| 16:12.40 | galex-713 | It doesn’t explain how to save data :/ |
| 16:12.49 | galex-713 | Oh yes it does |
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| 16:23.47 | galex-713 | Argh |
| 16:23.54 | galex-713 | Saving doesn’t work |
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| 16:27.02 | shafire | Hi how can I flush every ipv6 setting made with network/interfaces? |
| 16:27.10 | shafire | it says: "ip: RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
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| 16:28.14 | sanchez______ | I installed fail2ban and sshguard as someone suggested. Now I can only ssh to the box... sshftp won't work... also when I "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" I get failed to fetch\could not resolve |
| 16:28.38 | sanchez______ | Did it modify my iptables or something? |
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| 16:31.29 | sanchez______ | http://pastebin.com/4T6cFFYd my iptables |
| 16:32.21 | phy1729 | sanchez______: generally you'll want -nvL rather than just -L (-v shows interfaces as well) |
| 16:32.36 | sanchez______ | sorry let me do that as well |
| 16:33.18 | phy1729 | do you not allow established connections inbound? |
| 16:33.28 | sanchez______ | http://pastebin.com/NRiAimwZ |
| 16:33.52 | sanchez______ | I'm able to ssh to the box so I'm going with yes |
| 16:34.34 | galex-713 | wols_: and how can I save *and* play a stream at the same time with VLC? |
| 16:35.01 | sanchez______ | phy1729: Status:Connecting to 111.111.11.11... |
| 16:35.02 | sanchez______ | Response:fzSftp started |
| 16:35.02 | sanchez______ | Command:open "root@111.111.11.11" 22 |
| 16:35.02 | sanchez______ | Error:Connection timed out |
| 16:35.02 | sanchez______ | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 16:35.02 | sanchez______ | Status:Waiting to retry... |
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| 16:35.12 | sanchez______ | oops omg |
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| 16:35.32 | sanchez______ | yeah it looks like sshftp is being refused |
| 16:35.35 | sanchez______ | but i can ssh to the box |
| 16:36.05 | sanchez______ | http://pastebin.com/NRiAimwZ but if you look at the IP tables :22 is set to ACCEPT |
| 16:36.14 | phy1729 | right but the apt problem is because you can send packets out from the box but the responses aren't allowed back in |
| 16:36.42 | sanchez______ | oh |
| 16:36.45 | sanchez______ | =[ |
| 16:36.54 | sanchez______ | it must have really locked down my box |
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| 16:37.06 | sanchez______ | thankfully ssh still works or i would be screwed |
| 16:37.26 | sanchez______ | apache is still accessible too thankfully |
| 16:37.41 | phy1729 | you want something like -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT not sure if -m state or -m conntrack is the "right" way to do this |
| 16:37.54 | sanchez______ | what do you mean by "right" |
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| 16:38.49 | sanchez______ | I can connect now thank you so much |
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| 16:38.59 | sanchez______ | what about in terms of security and fail2ban\sshguard? |
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| 16:40.37 | phy1729 | I've never delt with fail2ban |
| 16:40.49 | sanchez______ | is that adequate for sshguard? |
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| 16:41.04 | sanchez______ | I know nothing about iptables sorry |
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| 16:42.29 | phy1729 | well if you want to learn iptables this is the iptables tutorial to end all tutorials https://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html |
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| 16:42.54 | sanchez______ | i'll be sure to check it over |
| 16:43.03 | sanchez______ | what did your command permit though? |
| 16:43.10 | sanchez______ | is it anything that could cause security issues? |
| 16:44.27 | phy1729 | only if you don't trust your own box. It's explained at https://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html#TABLE.CONNTRACKMATCH |
| 16:44.52 | wols_ | galex-713: run vlc twice :) |
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| 17:02.30 | srruby | Heartbleed: Am I OK? # openssl version => OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 Thanks, John |
| 17:03.23 | converge | I just wanna install openjdk (wheezy), but it ask me to install packages like gconf2 and libgnome's, it's a server, how can I correctly install java jre ? |
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| 17:07.01 | sysvalve | converge: if those are just recommends, you can try to use the -R switch to aptitude |
| 17:07.14 | sysvalve | if they are dependencies, then you have to install them as well... |
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| 17:10.14 | converge | sysvalve: thanks, that helped |
| 17:10.18 | somiaj | it is of course recomended you install recomemends |
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| 17:10.47 | somiaj | there may be things that won't work unless you have recomeneds installed. Suggested packges are consider the useful but optional |
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| 17:11.41 | converge | somiaj: I dont think it's important to have gconf2 when I dont have X |
| 17:11.42 | sysvalve | somiaj: i assume he knows what he is doing |
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| 17:11.55 | sysvalve | and I don't see a strong relationship between java, gconf2 and libgnome |
| 17:12.00 | sysvalve | maybe I'm missing something here |
| 17:12.03 | somiaj | converge: yea I agree and I think many of the recomened packages should become suggested |
| 17:12.18 | somiaj | my guess is gconf2 and libgnome are not recomened but some other packge is that depends on those two |
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| 17:13.04 | somiaj | I stand corrected they are recommended, wonder what the jre package does that needs gnome libes |
| 17:13.08 | tremon | it's because of openjdk-7-jre: Recommends libgnomevfs2-0 |
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| 17:13.37 | tremon | (and teaching to fish: aptitude why $pkg $questionable_dep) |
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| 17:14.03 | jelly-home | srruby: did you read the openssl factoid from the topic? |
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| 17:14.36 | srruby | jelly-home no |
| 17:14.55 | srruby | jelly-home: no |
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| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | srruby: well, read it |
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| 17:16.34 | somiaj | yea seems those recomeneds are a bit controversial, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661465 -- no libgnome recomends for java |
| 17:16.44 | srruby | jelly-home: Thanks. |
| 17:16.55 | somiaj | they do sugest using the openjdk-7-jre-headless package (but then if you have something that depends on java that won't work) |
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| 17:17.34 | jelly-home | somiaj: controversial is an understatement |
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| 17:20.04 | somiaj | haha seems openjdk-7-jre-headless suggest sun-java6-fonts which isn't even a package anymore |
| 17:20.08 | srruby | jelly-home: I read it but I don't understand it. I would think that apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y would install a fix if there was one. |
| 17:20.36 | somiaj | srruby: it tells you the DSA to read. What version of debian are you running? |
| 17:21.03 | srruby | wheezy |
| 17:21.10 | srruby | somiaj: wheezy |
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| 17:21.48 | somiaj | do you have security.debian.org sources and is your version of openssl, libssl1.0.0 newer than the one they say is fixed, since there was another bug found you want the version here |
| 17:21.53 | somiaj | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 17:21.54 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 17:21.55 | galex-713 | wols_: that forces me to use two terminals, so when I want to listen another radio it takes twice longer :/ |
| 17:21.56 | jelly-home | srruby: the important thing to check is verify the version of libssl1.0.0 package installed is equal or larger than the mentioned |
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| 17:22.52 | srruby | I'm on OpenSSL 1.0.1e |
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| 17:23.12 | npckde | Hi all, i have a synology server on my network and i cannot play videos/music without copying files on this PC first (running solydK) or without mounting the shares. How would go about setting up a permanent workaround for this? auto mounting shares i need at startup? By using autofs? A bit at loss here |
| 17:23.19 | somiaj | srruby: give the full debian version, you need to see what debian pataches are on it, you need -2+deb7u7 (dpkg -l | grep libssl1.0.0) |
| 17:23.24 | jelly-home | srruby: that... is not a package version. Did you run the aptitude command to check the versions of _packages_? |
| 17:23.34 | srruby | Is that equal or larger than 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 ? |
| 17:23.57 | jelly-home | srruby: run the aptitude command from the factoid, please |
| 17:24.17 | srruby | ii libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-3 |
| 17:24.35 | srruby | So it looks like I'm ok. |
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| 17:25.01 | petern_ | Nope, wheezy never had a -3 |
| 17:25.18 | somiaj | srruby: what os do you run? |
| 17:25.22 | jelly-home | srruby: it looks like you had mixed in some packages from testing release at some point in the past |
| 17:25.38 | somiaj | srruby: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 17:25.50 | srruby | jelly-home: You are correct |
| 17:26.01 | somiaj | srruby: and the outout of 'apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0' |
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| 17:26.32 | srruby | somiaj: OK |
| 17:28.04 | srruby | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/94573/ http://paste.debian.net/94574/ |
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| 17:29.08 | petern_ | Cool, missing security completley. |
| 17:29.25 | petern_ | s/le/el/ |
| 17:29.27 | somiaj | and installing packages from random places outside of your sources. |
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| 17:29.47 | srruby | somiaj: Time for a clean install of wheezy? |
| 17:30.16 | omnipotentduo | Morning everyone |
| 17:30.24 | somiaj | srruby: or look though your system and fix any package that isn't installed from wheezy proper, clean install may fix everything |
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| 17:30.47 | srruby | somiaj: How do you "fix" packages ?? |
| 17:30.49 | jelly-home | !tell srruby about not available |
| 17:30.51 | somiaj | srruby: also deb-multimedia really isn't needed in wheezy and those repos sometimes mess with wheezy (have been known to not be the cleanest in the past) |
| 17:30.56 | jelly-home | !tell srruby about partial downgrade |
| 17:31.33 | jelly-home | oh, and |
| 17:31.40 | jelly-home | !tell srruby about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:32.06 | somiaj | !tell srruby about why not dmm |
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| 17:50.28 | sanchez______ | You are real root -- unfortunately, some Java distributions haveinstall scripts that directly manipulate /etc, and may cause someinconsistencies on your system. Instead, you should become anon-root user and run:fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-7u45-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 17:51.03 | sanchez______ | why? that makes no sense |
| 17:52.21 | somiaj | sanchez______: fakeroot gives a normal user the ability to make a .deb package but not actually write to /etc |
| 17:52.48 | sanchez______ | so just copy the jdk file to the non-root user and run make-jpkg? |
| 17:52.52 | somiaj | sanchez______: that basically says that you should do this as a nonroot user just in case there is some scripts in the process of creating the java package that modify you /etc/ files changing configuration and giving you extra results |
| 17:53.01 | sanchez______ | alright thanks |
| 17:53.01 | somiaj | sanchez______: correct, and run it with fakeroot |
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| 17:53.29 | mason- | Trying to install libgtk1.2. The installation gives this " libgtk1.2 depends on libgtk1.2-common (>= 1.2.10-18)" and gives an error saying unmet dependency, but I have that exact version of libgtk1.2-common installed. How can I proceed from here? |
| 17:53.32 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jdk |
| 17:53.33 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jdk on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-security: 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u51-2.4.6-1; sid: 7u55-2.4.7-1 |
| 17:53.49 | sanchez______ | openjdk is not compatible with openmeeting |
| 17:54.05 | somiaj | oh that is the oracle java, okay that is why that version looked strange. (: |
| 17:54.22 | sanchez______ | any idea what the path is of this file jdk-7u45-linux-x64.tar.gz so i can cp it |
| 17:54.26 | somiaj | mason-: most likely you have put stuff in your sources that are causing apt to not think correctly |
| 17:54.39 | somiaj | sanchez______: you downloaded that file, so you know where you put it on your system |
| 17:54.47 | somiaj | sanchez______: it is werever you downlaoded it to |
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| 17:54.59 | somiaj | mason-: can you provide me the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 17:55.01 | sanchez______ | oh i figured package manager grabbed it |
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| 17:55.37 | sanchez______ | http://openmeetings.apache.org/images/installation_instructions.png |
| 17:55.41 | sanchez______ | it says 6 is required ugh |
| 17:55.45 | sanchez______ | what if I install 8? hah |
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| 17:56.18 | sanchez______ | hopefully there's no issue(s) |
| 17:56.26 | somiaj | sanchez______: I do not know that software or know what versions of java it is compadable with. I would ask the writers of the software, or in this case just test it yourself |
| 17:56.32 | mason- | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/94581/ |
| 17:56.35 | sanchez______ | right |
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| 17:56.56 | lenswipe_dev | could someone take a look at my gdm3 issue? |
| 17:57.12 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: just ask (/msg dpkg ask) |
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| 17:57.29 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, I already asked my question a while ago |
| 17:57.47 | lenswipe_dev | anyway, my gdm3 starts up to a watch cursor - x however works perfectly |
| 17:57.57 | somiaj | mason-: okay I see a fwe things, first I don't like that http://repository.violetsky.ch/steam/, if I recall correctly the closed source steam binary requires a libc6 not in wheezy, so if someone is providing wheezy stuff they may be focrcing you to upgrade core libs (this is gonna cause lots of problems) |
| 17:58.21 | somiaj | mason-: second you have crunchbang sources pinned very high, DO NOT MIX, this will break you system and make things uninstallable |
| 17:58.27 | somiaj | mason-: thrid, well I don't trust your last source either. |
| 17:58.34 | somiaj | mason-: need I go on as to why you are getting those problems? |
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| 17:59.38 | mason- | somiaj, I see your points and will address them. I don't understand what this has to do with why the dependency is not being recognized, though. |
| 17:59.39 | lenswipe_dev | i was hoping someone could help me out getting gd3m working again |
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| 17:59.46 | lenswipe_dev | it did work up until a couple of days ago |
| 17:59.55 | lenswipe_dev | then suddenly when i started up my machine it just refused to load |
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| 18:00.00 | lenswipe_dev | no error to indicate why either |
| 18:00.02 | lenswipe_dev | just boom. |
| 18:00.07 | lenswipe_dev | wristwatch cursor |
| 18:00.15 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: are you in a console? Can you login as your regurlar user and run 'startx' |
| 18:00.26 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, yes, i can |
| 18:00.29 | lenswipe_dev | that works fine |
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| 18:02.38 | somiaj | mason-: it is because you are mixing things. You have multiple versions of libaries and packages in multiple repos that are not designed to work together |
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| 18:03.04 | somiaj | mason-: apt's logic cannot figure this out because it could be too confusing or even inpossible to do what you request because of dependency loops and the likes |
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| 18:03.15 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: does gdm3 load and you can't login or it just doesn't load |
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| 18:03.53 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, if i run sudo invoke-rc.d gdm3 start i get a black screen with a cursor on it and the cursor is in the shape of a watcg |
| 18:03.54 | lenswipe_dev | watch* |
| 18:04.22 | mason- | somiaj, how do you recommend I untangle this mess? The crawl repo I can handle, but I'm not sure about the steam repo. I'm not sure of everything it's installed. Same for the waldorf repo. Can I just lower its priority, or does more need to be done? |
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| 18:05.58 | somiaj | mason-: easiest way would be reinstall and just do not mix things, unforntally because of shared libaries, versions and they thigns are links just because they are all .debs and apt repos doens't mean they can be used together |
| 18:06.11 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: what version of debian do you run again? |
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| 18:06.49 | somiaj | mason-: it would be very time consuming to trace down all the things you have installed from various places and manually fix all your dependency issues you may have created |
| 18:06.50 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, squeeze |
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| 18:08.01 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: well what did you do before it started to work. Again just for my sanity can you provide the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy gdm3' at paste.debian.net |
| 18:08.32 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: I have seen a users gnome files go corrupt, but you should at least seee the login screen. My first suggestion is to --purge then reinstall gdm3 |
| 18:08.42 | lenswipe_dev | ok |
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| 18:09.07 | sanchez______ | Do I have to uninstall openjre before installing the oracle version or will it remove the packages for me |
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| 18:10.01 | somiaj | sanchez______: I haven't messed with java-package in a long time, they might be able to live side by side just fine, but you may have to use the alternative system to set which is default |
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| 18:10.16 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/HQzhuKDG |
| 18:10.20 | sanchez______ | yeah that's what i was worried about |
| 18:10.39 | somiaj | sanchez______: so i would say the choice is up to you, removing openjdk would of course ensure you dont' have another version of java on your system that could be a cause of confusion |
| 18:10.51 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, anyway |
| 18:10.53 | sanchez______ | apt-get remove openjdk-jre ? |
| 18:10.57 | lenswipe_dev | you said i should purge gdm3 and reinstall? |
| 18:10.59 | mason- | somiaj, thank's a lot for your help and suggestion. Just learned a valuable lesson. |
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| 18:11.27 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: can I see the output of 'apt-cache policy gdm3' |
| 18:11.30 | npckde | Alright so i have a couple broken dependencies, when running "apt-get install -f" it wants to remove skype:i386, does that mean my skype installation is corrupt in some ways? |
| 18:11.38 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, just busy purging it |
| 18:11.39 | lenswipe_dev | hold on |
| 18:11.41 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: also you have wheezy sources not squeeze, not sure if you ment wheezy or there are some artificts on your system |
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| 18:11.53 | sanchez______ | sudo apt-get purge openjdk-7-jre gcj-4.7-base gcj-4.7-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 18:11.58 | sanchez______ | seemed to work hopefully that purged all of it |
| 18:12.12 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, apologies i did mean wheezy |
| 18:12.12 | somiaj | npckde: no it means that apt cannot find the skype dependencies and its solution is to remove the broken package |
| 18:12.19 | lenswipe_dev | my bad |
| 18:12.59 | npckde | somiaj: so it will in fact uninstall skype when i run it? |
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| 18:13.27 | somiaj | npckde: yes, what version of debian are you running? Are you running amd64? Did you enable multiarch? |
| 18:14.02 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: yea I cna't think of what the problem could be. You are using unoffical sources but none of them stand out as 'this will cause you problems' so I'm not too worried about that. |
| 18:14.19 | npckde | somiaj: i am running solydK 64bit, which is a debian based distro as i understand it. I don't know if multiarch is enabled |
| 18:14.20 | somiaj | sanchez______: 'dpkg -l | grep java' |
| 18:14.26 | spyder | how to install firefox? |
| 18:14.32 | somiaj | npckde: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 18:14.35 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, i did have mint sources if you recall...but i removed them, updated and upgraded and i checked and mint wasn't providing gdm3 anyway |
| 18:14.36 | somiaj | spyder: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 18:14.46 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, plus - gdm3 has worked perfectly for literally years with those mint sources on there |
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| 18:15.01 | spyder | somiaj: is there no original firefox package? |
| 18:15.06 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: yea that is the problem with mixing things, is it seems to work but it is just a distar waiting ot happen |
| 18:15.25 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, indeed is there a way to see what that source provided? |
| 18:15.34 | somiaj | spyder: iceweasel is firefox (the only difference is we are not allowed to distribute the firefox logo, so the name/logo are taken out, the software is identicial besides that) |
| 18:15.46 | spyder | somiaj: ok |
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| 18:16.12 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, well shit...that purge and resinstall fixed it... |
| 18:16.14 | lenswipe_dev | well i'll be.... |
| 18:16.15 | somiaj | !tell lenswipe_dev about not available |
| 18:16.55 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: I'm glad you got the mint sources out of there, those will cause you a headache. The others I'm not to worried about. It just makes things 'way' harder for us to debug when you start mixing things. |
| 18:17.08 | lenswipe_dev | ok |
| 18:17.17 | lenswipe_dev | im just amazed that it seems to work now after the purge... |
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| 18:17.32 | somiaj | spyder: note debian security is now providing the recent supported LTS version of iceweasle (firefox) so if the age of the package shouldn't matter to much on stable anymore |
| 18:17.47 | lenswipe_dev | saying that lets see what happens at reboot... |
| 18:17.47 | lenswipe_dev | dont want to count my chickens before they hatch |
| 18:17.57 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: I was just wondering if maybe the mint sources in cleaning things up or upgrading mangeled some conig files, so I had you pruge them and reinstall |
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| 18:18.29 | somiaj | spyder: if you want a newer version than the LTS iceweasel (what I suggest it is fairly recent) use mozilla.debian.net -- again the only differnce is the name, the software is firefox |
| 18:18.39 | somiaj | !solydK |
| 18:18.39 | dpkg | SolydK is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian> with the KDE desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, use #solydxk on irc.freenode.net instead. http://solydxk.com/products/solydk/ |
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| 18:18.58 | somiaj | npckde: we do not support debian based distros, who knows what they do, or how they want things to be managed. |
| 18:19.19 | lowpole | Hi, I'm having an issue unpacking a file. |
| 18:19.26 | somiaj | npckde: on debian to install i386 packages on a amd64 install you need multiarch, so goto your distro of choice, and ask them or look up your distro of choices docs for multiearch |
| 18:19.37 | somiaj | lowpole: please provide us with more info. Where did you egt this package, how are you trying to unpack it |
| 18:19.37 | lowpole | I have a .tar file and when I try to unpack it, it only shows the name of a file inside the folder. Example: |
| 18:19.45 | lenswipe_dev | yeah perhaps |
| 18:19.45 | lenswipe_dev | hmm |
| 18:19.45 | lenswipe_dev | anyway it seems to work now, so thanks |
| 18:19.53 | lowpole | root@e5-2609x2:~# tar xvf last-backup.tar |
| 18:19.53 | lowpole | ./backup-my.cnf |
| 18:19.54 | lowpole | root@e5-2609x2:~# |
| 18:19.59 | lowpole | it never actually unpacks it |
| 18:20.04 | lowpole | how do i make it work? |
| 18:20.09 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, some of the fonts look wrong on my gdm session (not ugly...just a bit bigger than i remember) is there a font package i have to install or something? |
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| 18:20.34 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: that command I had the bot sent you will search your machine for any packages that are not installable from your current repo, maybe you'll find some mint thigns still hiding |
| 18:20.44 | lenswipe_dev | maybe |
| 18:21.00 | somiaj | lowpole: please use paste.debian.net to paste things. is backup-my.cnf a file or directory? |
| 18:21.16 | lowpole | okay. and it is a file |
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| 18:21.38 | somiaj | lowpole: you don't extract a tar to a file |
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| 18:22.00 | somiaj | lowpole: just run 'tar xvf foo.tar' and it will extract it to y our current directory |
| 18:22.29 | lowpole | somiaj: thats what i've been running...it doesn't extract, it just displays file name |
| 18:22.56 | wols_ | lowpole: it is supposed to do that since you put "v" there. have you looked if that file now exists? |
| 18:23.23 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/zGRtiHbp |
| 18:23.24 | somiaj | it could be there is only one file in that tar or it was not made correctly in the first place |
| 18:23.26 | lenswipe_dev | it gave me that |
| 18:24.19 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: those are packages on your system that are not from your current repos. Personally I would get rid of webmin, bad bad juju |
| 18:24.44 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: maybe get rid of the firefox langauage package, though it might be compadable with iceweasel, but either way things look okday |
| 18:24.47 | lowpole | wols_: the file doesn't exist. ive extracted tar files before and usually if they are big, like this one, then it will run and make the files on my server as it unpacks |
| 18:24.48 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 18:24.48 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 18:25.32 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: anyways I'm glad things are working, I expect you may run across a few more artifacts here and there because of mixing mint, but if things are working I'm glad. (: |
| 18:25.56 | somiaj | lowpole: try another .tar file |
| 18:26.04 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, i keep webmin aroudn because its handy for quick mysql stuff |
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| 18:26.32 | lowpole | somiaj: i should mention that this was initially a .tar.bz2 file, i extracted that and it became a .tar file |
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| 18:26.39 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: read that factoid, you really don't want it. If you only use it for mysql, I'd suggest myphpadmin and maybe password protect it with apache |
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| 18:27.02 | somiaj | lowpole: how did you 'extract' it? YOu don't extract you decompress the .bz2 part |
| 18:27.07 | somiaj | that coudl be your problem right there |
| 18:27.12 | simonlnu | !webmin |
| 18:27.12 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:27.13 | lowpole | i used bunzip2 |
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| 18:27.41 | somiaj | lowpole: that just unzips it, but anyways test another tar file, if it works fine you know the issue is with the tar you are working with |
| 18:27.52 | lowpole | ok |
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| 18:28.20 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, phpmyadmin is horrifically insecure |
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| 18:28.39 | spyder | how to install adobe-flash plugin? |
| 18:28.45 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, what's the name of the utility that lets you configure gnome shell? |
| 18:28.52 | somiaj | way way more secure than webmin and it can only mess with your databases not your whole system |
| 18:28.58 | somiaj | no clue, I don't use gnome |
| 18:29.06 | npckde | somiaj: thanks for the follow up answers, no worries |
| 18:29.10 | simonlnu | better use a GUI app and SSL the thing |
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| 18:29.31 | somiaj | spyder: if you have the contrib repo enabled, 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 18:29.33 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, actually, no - a friend had both installed on his production box that kept getting hacked, i removed phpmyadmin as soon as i found it and the "hackings" stopped instantly |
| 18:29.39 | somiaj | spyder: this gives you tools that download the current flash plugin |
| 18:30.00 | lenswipe_dev | somiaj, thanks in part (i think) to the fact that webmin does at least have a password timeout |
| 18:30.50 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: not only is webmin probabaly bad to have, it may clobber debian configs and the likes and cause more problems iwth your system. Really you should try to find better ways to manage things |
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| 18:31.06 | somiaj | lenswipe_dev: if you dont' want a web based tool, mysql-workbench is a gui tool for mysql that is run locally |
| 18:31.30 | zh1 | my nautilus show hidden files sticked and is always selected any way to change this? |
| 18:32.37 | somiaj | zh1: for some reason in gtk aps I am able to right click and selet an option show/hide hidden files. Not sure if nautless is using this same approach |
| 18:33.12 | spyder | somiaj: how can i enable contrib repo? |
| 18:33.27 | somiaj | !tell spyder about non-free |
| 18:33.52 | somiaj | !tell spyder about non-free sources |
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| 18:34.45 | spyder | somiaj: thanks |
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| 18:37.19 | npckde | !tell npckde about non-free sources |
| 18:37.39 | somiaj | npckde: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 18:37.55 | valentt | is apt-get or aptitude official packet manager for debian? |
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| 18:38.15 | somiaj | npope: now since you do not run debian the factoids dpkg give you may not work for your system. I suggest you run debian, but I would be weary of advise from that bot on your system. |
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| 18:38.44 | somiaj | valentt: both, /msg dpkg why apt-get, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not apt-get, /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 18:39.11 | somiaj | valentt: some release it is suggested you use apt-get to dist-upgrade others it was aptitude, they have different logic. |
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| 18:39.52 | somiaj | valentt: actually 'dpkg' is the offical package manager, apt-get and aptitude are front ends to it that allow you to download and manage dependencies and the likes. (: |
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| 18:54.31 | lenswipe2 | somiaj, am i correct in thinking that "gnome" is a meta package? |
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| 18:54.31 | lenswipe2 | and that after i purged gdm3 from my system and aptitute told me to run apt-get auto remove, i probably shouldn't have done |
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| 18:54.32 | lenswipe2 | and that apt-get install gnome will put back the missing packages |
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| 18:58.42 | hplc | wols_ yes |
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| 19:00.10 | hplc | sounds familliar, but i forgot how to search&replace with it |
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| 19:00.34 | usuario-sound | i need help to heard my sound |
| 19:00.36 | usuario-sound | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.49 | usuario-sound | i have instaled pulse audio |
| 19:00.56 | usuario-sound | but no heard noting |
| 19:01.27 | usuario-sound | help |
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| 19:04.55 | usuario-sound | amy one |
| 19:05.10 | zh1 | somiaj i can click it and unselect but after closing and opening nautilus again stays selected even that i previosly unselect it |
| 19:05.14 | blha303 | why would you think saying 'help' over and over would work |
| 19:05.18 | TriJetScud | yeah |
| 19:05.29 | TriJetScud | spamming the channel with help won't motivate us anymore |
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| 19:06.10 | usuario-sound | blha303, i dont now :-S |
| 19:06.25 | usuario-sound | no sound in my debian . what can i do ? |
| 19:06.38 | zh1 | somiaj in short nautilus show hidden files is always on here |
| 19:06.42 | blha303 | irc is async. meaning, you ask a question, provide as much info as you can, then wait for someone to come along that knows the answer |
| 19:06.42 | somiaj | ,v nautilus |
| 19:06.43 | judd | Package: nautilus on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-2squeeze2; wheezy: 3.4.2-1+build1; jessie: 3.8.2-2; sid: 3.8.2-2; experimental: 3.12.0-1 |
| 19:07.00 | blha303 | i don't think async is the right term for it, but there we go |
| 19:07.13 | somiaj | zh1: well I am reading somewhere that the view you select is persistent from 3.6.3, not sure about 3.4.2 in wheezy |
| 19:07.32 | somiaj | zh1: but they do say that there is a setting 'show hidden files' that is different from the option you toggle with ctlr+h or the menu |
| 19:07.37 | valentt | what is default pining for debian and external repositories like dotdeb if nothing is configured in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 19:07.57 | somiaj | !tell usuario-sound about alsa checklist |
| 19:08.20 | somiaj | usuario-sound: please do not spam 'i need help', be paitient and think about your questions. Go though that check list and see which ones you don't pass |
| 19:08.23 | usuario-sound | where they are ? |
| 19:08.51 | somiaj | valentt: that is dependent on the repo itself, 500 is the default for debian repos, but external repos can set it to what ever they want |
| 19:09.04 | somiaj | usuario-sound: you should have gotten a private message from the bot dpkg in your chat program |
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| 19:09.42 | somiaj | valentt: also dot deb repos is generally not liked here. (: |
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| 19:10.08 | valentt | somiaj: how can I check which pin values are set |
| 19:10.17 | usuario-sound | i see |
| 19:10.19 | usuario-sound | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.19 | usuario-sound | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
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| 19:10.27 | usuario-sound | but i no heard |
| 19:11.07 | zh1 | somiaj i guess i changed it now, thanks |
| 19:11.19 | usuario-sound | somiaj, |
| 19:11.30 | zh1 | used dconf-editor |
| 19:12.11 | somiaj | valentt: apt-cache policy |
| 19:12.28 | somiaj | usuario-sound: you play that but still no sound |
| 19:12.31 | usuario-sound | somiaj, like that ?? add group audio |
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| 19:12.39 | somiaj | usuario-sound: okay when you type 'groups' do you see 'audio' in the list that is printed out |
| 19:12.46 | somiaj | usuario-sound: also are you working as your user or root? |
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| 19:13.46 | usuario-sound | somiaj, |
| 19:13.47 | usuario-sound | $ groups |
| 19:13.47 | usuario-sound | usuario cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner bluetooth netde |
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| 19:13.56 | somiaj | usuario-sound: so you are in the audio group, that isn't the issue |
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| 19:14.11 | somiaj | usuario-sound: please do not paste more than one line into this channel. you will be kicked by our bots |
| 19:14.18 | usuario-sound | ok one line |
| 19:14.26 | usuario-sound | how to add ? |
| 19:14.37 | somiaj | usuario-sound: type this, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' and look at the output. Do you see multiple cards in that list? |
| 19:14.45 | somiaj | usuario-sound: if you want to give me the output, plase paste it at paste.debian.net |
| 19:14.56 | somiaj | usuario-sound: you are in the audio group, we do not need to add you |
| 19:14.59 | usuario-sound | 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 19:15.05 | usuario-sound | bash: cat /proc/asound/cards: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 19:15.25 | usuario-sound | not found ! |
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| 19:16.01 | usuario-sound | nop, just one sound card |
| 19:16.11 | somiaj | usuario-sound: does it happen to only be an hdmi sound card? |
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| 19:18.00 | usuario-sound | that say alsa mixer http://paste.debian.net/94588/ |
| 19:18.18 | usuario-sound | when i press "F2 " |
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| 19:20.25 | somiaj | usuario-sound: now I'm slightly confused, one output says /proc/asound/cards did not exist the other says it does. |
| 19:20.29 | valentt | I understand that dotdeb surces aren't supported and I'm not promiting them, just trying to understand what happeded to debian wheezy package to be downgraded from 5.6 version from dotdeb to 5.5 version from wheezy repo... |
| 19:20.46 | somiaj | usuario-sound: are you running that cat command on a different system (that you maybe ssh into)? |
| 19:21.09 | valentt | I inherited server management from developers who have setup dotdeb and I'm looking to move away from dotdeb repo, but still need to understand what happened so I can report to managers... |
| 19:21.16 | usuario-sound | nop, im her in my PC |
| 19:21.18 | usuario-sound | somiaj, |
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| 19:21.41 | usuario-sound | i dont now :-( |
| 19:21.50 | somiaj | usuario-sound: so in the same console you ran alsamixer in, try running that command again. Don't give me the touput, do you still get file not found |
| 19:22.05 | somiaj | or maybe you had a typo |
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| 19:22.25 | somiaj | valentt: so you are saying you ran and upgrade and apt took a package at version 5.6 and downgraded it to 5.5? |
| 19:22.37 | valentt | so if both debian and dotdeb packages have pin priority of 500 how come that apt-get update command downgraded mysql to 5.5 when 5.6 was already installed via dotdeb source? |
| 19:22.42 | valentt | yes |
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| 19:22.47 | somiaj | valentt: can you look at apt-cache policy package name and give me the full verison of the package, it could be a epoch version number |
| 19:22.49 | usuario-sound | yes |
| 19:23.27 | somiaj | usuario-sound: well everything is looking fine. You have turned up all the volumes in alsamixer (including pcm) and don't have anything muted (the m key mutes)? |
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| 19:23.59 | usuario-sound | they are all upside somiaj |
| 19:24.37 | somiaj | usuario-sound: does that aplay command you ran eariler work as root? |
| 19:24.59 | somiaj | usuario-sound: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav -- I do not need the output just if you heard any noise |
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| 19:27.24 | valentt | strange, I can't reproduce this issue, I have reinstalled mysql 5.6 from dotdeb and removed pin file, that was same as before, and now apt-get keeps with mysql 5.6... really strange... |
| 19:28.06 | somiaj | valentt: well that means it isn't a epoch version issue, debian has fairly sophosicated versions system to help apt know what is an upgrade |
| 19:28.07 | usuario-sound | somiaj, no are in "mute" |
| 19:28.10 | usuario-sound | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.12 | usuario-sound | no sound |
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| 19:28.36 | somiaj | usuario-sound: aplay -L (do you only see one sound card?) do you have a file on your system $HOME/.asoundrc |
| 19:28.51 | Ahmuck | hi. is there a debian certified laptop avaiable? ie, uses only open source code and free software and has a plan of code review for malware? |
| 19:28.53 | somiaj | valentt: care to give me the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net |
| 19:29.03 | Ahmuck | right down to the hardware level |
| 19:29.08 | somiaj | valentt: sorry, 'apt-cache policy foo' where foo is the name of the package that got downgraded |
| 19:29.26 | Ahmuck | to prevent nerferious entities from coloring the code |
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| 19:30.18 | valentt | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/94589/ |
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| 19:30.38 | usuario-sound | http://paste.debian.net/94590/ |
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| 19:30.40 | usuario-sound | somiaj, |
| 19:30.42 | usuario-sound | http://paste.debian.net/94590/ |
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| 19:31.03 | CybDev | persistent one that scammer |
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| 19:31.10 | somiaj | yea do not listen to him |
| 19:31.21 | valentt | and here is apt-history log: http://paste.debian.net/94591/ |
| 19:31.55 | somiaj | valentt: I want apt-cache policy foo -- where foo = package name that messed with you |
| 19:32.07 | usuario-sound | somiaj, cat: .asoundrc: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 19:32.14 | usuario-sound | not found |
| 19:33.02 | valentt | http://paste.debian.net/94592/ |
| 19:33.09 | usuario-sound | what can i do ? |
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| 19:33.48 | valentt | and for mysql 5.6 - http://paste.debian.net/94593/ |
| 19:33.54 | somiaj | usuario-sound: I cannot htink of what the issue is, I do not see any obvious things that tell me what is wrong. Double check plugs, see if you are pluged into the right port, etc |
| 19:34.18 | usuario-sound | somiaj, yes |
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| 19:34.26 | usuario-sound | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.32 | somiaj | valentt: umm, from your logs mysql-common:i386 (5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1, 5.6.17-1~dotdeb.1) -- it looks like it upgraded 5.5 to 5.6 (I don't see it downgrading, or maybe I'm reading the logs wrong) |
| 19:34.47 | somiaj | usuario-sound: yea I can't think of any other thing right now, sorry I cannot be of more help |
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| 19:36.00 | valentt | somiaj: I upgraded from 5.5 to 5.6 few minutes ago... |
| 19:36.08 | usuario-sound | tankyou so much |
| 19:36.11 | usuario-sound | but |
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| 19:36.40 | usuario-sound | i dont have the file ".asoundrc" ehat more can i do ? |
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| 19:37.30 | somiaj | valentt: I guess I do not see in your logs where the dot-deb was downgraded. |
| 19:37.38 | valentt | but last update I saw was on 8th of april, and I thing that was when downgrade happened, but I only today restarted mysql service and then it wouldn't start again becuase of config file that mysql 5.6 uses and 5.5 doesn't recognize |
| 19:38.17 | somiaj | valentt: ON the 8th of april I see that mysql-common:i386 was upgraded from teh debian-version to the dotdeb version |
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| 19:39.04 | valentt | somiaj: I'll take a better look... |
| 19:39.16 | somiaj | valentt: this could maybe have messed with you, I belive that would be the packages that control the config files and you its upgrade to the unoffical dotdeb package may have changed your config |
| 19:40.09 | valentt | mysql-common:i386 (5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1, 5.6.17-1~dotdeb.1) |
| 19:40.27 | valentt | why is this line showing both 5.5 and 5.6 version? |
| 19:40.38 | somiaj | valentt: yes it was upgraded from the debian version 5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1 to the dotdeb version 5.6.17-1~dotdeb.1 |
| 19:40.54 | somiaj | it is an upgrade line, but looking at all the other packages in that upgrade line seems it is packagename: (oldversion, newversion) |
| 19:41.07 | somiaj | Because in everything in that line the second version is always higher |
| 19:41.28 | valentt | hmm, but I started mysql today and it showed version 5.5.25 until I updated it 10 minutes ago to 5.6 by pinning dotdeb to 900 |
| 19:41.45 | somiaj | valentt: that was only the mysql-common package |
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| 19:42.02 | somiaj | valentt: you enver had 5.6 server, you had teh 5.5 server the whole time |
| 19:42.23 | somiaj | valentt: notice on todays log, when you finally installed teh 5.6 server it removed all the 5.5 server packages that were still on the system |
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| 19:43.05 | somiaj | valentt: this is one of the many things that the dotdeb repo could do. What ahppend was due to pinning being the same, apt saw the mysql-common:i386 package in dotdeb as an upgtrade and since the servers depend on versions like >= it was a vaild upgrade |
| 19:43.17 | somiaj | valentt: when that upgraded it clobbered your config files make it so your current 5.5 server could not run |
| 19:43.26 | somiaj | well start (it probabaly kept running just fine) |
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| 19:44.26 | somiaj | now that you have upgraded to be running the 5.6 server from dotdeb everything works better. It is just a poor quality repo that isn't designed to work well with debian apt when it is upgraded (hence why it is not suggested) |
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| 19:45.02 | valentt | somiaj: ok, but why was /etc/mysql/my.cnf file then modified to use "explicit_defaults_for_timestamp" which mysql 5.5 doens't support and then service wouldn't start until I updated my.cnf file by commenting out option for "explicit_defaults_for_timestamp" |
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| 19:45.37 | somiaj | valentt: I am not going to guess what the dotdeb package did during its upgrade in all of its config files, and isntall scripts. |
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| 19:46.02 | valentt | somiaj: thank you a lot! you helped me really, not asking anything more :) |
| 19:46.05 | somiaj | valentt: you could ask dotdeb why their package did what it did and clobered your mysql server doing a normal upgrade |
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| 19:46.45 | somiaj | valentt: pin dotdeb lower so you dont get random things creaping in anymore |
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| 19:49.41 | valentt | somiaj: will do |
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| 19:55.24 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 19:55.34 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to compile xbmc on debian? |
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| 19:55.41 | lenswipe | or how to add the xbmc repos to debian |
| 19:55.53 | lenswipe | i would use the one in the debian repos but its so old that none of the remote apps work with it |
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| 19:56.02 | lenswipe | plus it doesn't support multiple screens |
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| 19:57.09 | centrx | lenswipe, Did you try backports? |
| 19:58.16 | lenswipe | centrx, i did not, i might take a look. |
| 19:58.19 | lenswipe | where do i find the URL? |
| 19:58.25 | centrx | dpkg, tell lenswipe about wheezy-backports |
| 19:59.02 | lenswipe | ty |
| 20:01.28 | de-ionp1 | http://pastebin.com/Ei58mcc2 anyone here have experience installing java-jre oracle\sun with debian? |
| 20:01.39 | de-ionp1 | No matching plugin was found.Removing temporary directory: done |
| 20:01.53 | de-ionp1 | i tried two different versions no luck |
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| 20:02.27 | somiaj | lenswipe: yea looks like you can get 4.12.3 from backports |
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| 20:03.39 | lenswipe | somiaj, hmm...that's still quite old :( |
| 20:04.05 | lenswipe | wait, is that xbmc 4? |
| 20:04.08 | centrx | 12.3 is the latest |
| 20:04.19 | lenswipe | yeah and the one i got last time was eden which is 11 |
| 20:04.25 | lenswipe | and that wasn't from backports |
| 20:04.26 | somiaj | lenswipe: it is the current upstream stable realse, how is that old? |
| 20:04.27 | centrx | 12.3 is in wheezy-backports, packages.debian.org/xbmc |
| 20:04.51 | somiaj | that is 4.12.3 (it is 12.3 as far as I can tell, not sure what the 4 is for) |
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| 20:05.11 | somiaj | lenswipe: sorry my mistake it is 4:12.3 |
| 20:05.18 | Ahmuck | debian has several different desktops to choose from . does netinstall provide this option? |
| 20:05.19 | centrx | I see 2:12.3 |
| 20:05.22 | somiaj | the 4 is a debian epoch, I misread it. but yea it is the current stable |
| 20:05.24 | Ahmuck | for examle, i'd like ldxe |
| 20:05.28 | lenswipe | somiaj, oh, so you're saying i should ignore the 4? |
| 20:05.38 | lenswipe | ok |
| 20:05.55 | realitygaps | :( just dist-upgraded on wheezy and ran into an openvz bug with sysvinit |
| 20:05.58 | somiaj | lenswipe: it is a special number debian puts on these to help with its upgrade system |
| 20:06.07 | somiaj | centrx: oh yea, I was lookgin at wheezy-multimedia |
| 20:06.08 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 20:06.13 | lenswipe | somiaj, either way, i dont care about it |
| 20:06.15 | lenswipe | right? |
| 20:06.15 | realitygaps | hoping switching to upstart will let me reboot the vps :( |
| 20:07.08 | somiaj | lenswipe: correct the epoc version is used by apt to determine what is bigger 2:1 is bigger thatn 1:23932934.4, giving us ways to upgrae if upstream changes their version number. |
| 20:07.33 | Ahmuck | debian has several different desktops to choose from . does netinstall provide this option? |
| 20:07.38 | lenswipe | ok |
| 20:07.49 | somiaj | Ahmuck: basically you can install what you want |
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| 20:08.00 | realitygaps | has anyone experienced this bug? https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2647 |
| 20:08.12 | somiaj | Ahmuck: though some things to watch out for. First at the end of the netinstall it runs a program called 'tasksel' this is after the base system is isntalled on your machine |
| 20:08.23 | centrx | realitygaps, "OpenVZ and Linux-Vserver: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 will be the last release to include Linux kernel virtualization featuresets outside of mainline. This means that the OpenVZ and Linux-Vserver featuresets should be considered deprecated, and users should migrate to linux-2.6 upstream merged virtualization solutions like KVM, Linux Containers or Xen. |
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| 20:08.43 | somiaj | Ahmuck: at that point you can just say don't do anything and only isntall what you want. Or you can select various tasks (sets of packages) you want. The default 'desktop' task will install gnome, I tghink you have to poke around to find the other desktop tasks, might be in other |
| 20:08.57 | realitygaps | centrx: yep :( |
| 20:09.07 | petern_ | Hmm, so Squeeze LTS... |
| 20:09.10 | Ahmuck | using the live cd could i install it from there and have the live cd desktop? |
| 20:09.12 | realitygaps | didnt realise that before, thx for the info |
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| 20:10.02 | petern_ | Yeah, LXC works quite nicely. Good luck converting. |
| 20:10.04 | somiaj | Ahmuck: the live insatllers install a copy of the live system it is running, so yes |
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| 20:10.22 | realitygaps | but have to save the openvz vps for now :( then look into migrating |
| 20:10.26 | lenswipe | somiaj, hmm..it just installs xbmc 11 |
| 20:10.27 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 20:10.35 | somiaj | Ahmuck: though my experience is the live installers sometimes choke at installing grub. Debian is installed just fine you just have to fix grub. |
| 20:10.50 | somiaj | lenswipe: give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 20:10.52 | somiaj | ,xbmc |
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| 20:11.01 | somiaj | ,v xbmc |
| 20:11.02 | judd | Package: xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:12.3+dfsg1-3~bpo70+2; jessie: 2:12.3+dfsg2-4; sid: 2:12.3+dfsg2-4; experimental: 2:13.0~beta2+dfsg1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 4:13.0~beta3-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 4:13.0~beta4-dmo1 |
| 20:11.15 | Ahmuck | what would be necessary to fix the installer for grub? |
| 20:11.17 | Ahmuck | a bounty? |
| 20:11.20 | somiaj | lenswipe: oh you have to actually say 'isntall backport' they are pinned lower so upgrades don't pull lots of unwanted things in |
| 20:11.40 | somiaj | Ahmuck: I'm unsure if it was my bad luck, I am sure it works fine for others. (: |
| 20:11.45 | Ahmuck | ah, ok |
| 20:11.49 | de-ionp1 | <ernimril> de-ionp1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu precise main |
| 20:11.55 | somiaj | Ahmuck: if you run into that error boot up on your live system, it is an easy manual fix |
| 20:11.59 | de-ionp1 | someone in java said to use the ubuntu ppa... |
| 20:12.04 | de-ionp1 | this doesnt sound like a good idea |
| 20:12.07 | somiaj | lenswipe: apt-get -t wheezy-backports xmbc |
| 20:12.12 | de-ionp1 | for oracle javajre |
| 20:12.25 | somiaj | de-ionp1: very very bad. You don't run ubuntu |
| 20:12.26 | Ahmuck | is switching from *buntu to debain |
| 20:12.28 | lenswipe | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/94597/ |
| 20:12.51 | lenswipe | oh |
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| 20:12.59 | somiaj | de-ionp1: did my sugegstion of trying a version 7 package work. does the java-packge in wheezy just not understand the newer java 8 packages? (that is my guess) |
| 20:13.13 | somiaj | lenswipe: if that command works I won't look at your link, thanks though |
| 20:13.28 | somiaj | de-ionp1: again that is what I think the issue maybe, figured you coudl test it. |
| 20:13.29 | TheBlueWizard | question: what wi-fi does Debian support, and are there any decent/good laptop that can run Debian? Should I try Zareason? sorry for the questions, but I need a new computer bad, and I'm in a public library |
| 20:13.48 | lenswipe | somiaj, it required me to add install, but yes it seems to have - ill let you know for sure when the install finishes |
| 20:14.22 | somiaj | TheBlueWizard: many to most wifi cards are supported with a small catch. You will need non-free firmware to get them to work which isn't in the main repos. |
| 20:14.54 | de-ionp1 | oh let me try version 7 before behaving bad and installing that ubuntu package |
| 20:14.55 | de-ionp1 | lol |
| 20:14.59 | de-ionp1 | hold on |
| 20:15.12 | somiaj | TheBlueWizard: but once you realize that, you can get the firmware from the non-free repos (note most of this is because the manufactor distrubites firmware to talk with the cards more than put the firmware on the card itself) |
| 20:15.29 | TheBlueWizard | that's what I thought... |
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| 20:15.40 | somiaj | de-ionp1: don't install that ubuntu package. I will tell you a way to get java installed without java-package if it is needed |
| 20:16.00 | de-ionp1 | alright thanks |
| 20:16.09 | de-ionp1 | i appreciate it i don't want to stoop to that level but my frustration is sky high |
| 20:16.15 | lenswipe | somiaj, yeah. that worked thanks |
| 20:16.22 | somiaj | de-ionp1: I'm more courious if the bug is with java8 (: |
| 20:16.45 | de-ionp1 | just downloaded server-jre-7u55-linux-x64.tar.gz we shall find out |
| 20:16.55 | TheBlueWizard | would rather not use non-free stuff, but it looks like he'll have to hold his nose... :-) |
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| 20:18.13 | de-ionp1 | i have no choice |
| 20:18.18 | de-ionp1 | openmeeting requires it |
| 20:18.20 | rgr | thinkpads are very debian friendly. tht said the wifi cards vary. Ive had debian on a thinkpad of various models for 6 years now. |
| 20:18.28 | somiaj | de-ionp1: I will help ya install it just fine. (: |
| 20:18.33 | de-ionp1 | thank you sir |
| 20:18.33 | de-ionp1 | =] |
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| 20:19.50 | de-ionp1 | somiaj: as non-root -> http://pastebin.com/H8tVZ1NG |
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| 20:19.52 | somiaj | TheBlueWizard: I see it this way, there are some leagilities with wireless that require the device manufactors to have some control. So at some level there is some firmware that is needed for this. What is the difference between putting that firmware on the device itself or distrubiting it as a file. In essence that is the difference between a wifi card that needs non-free firmware and one that doesn't |
| 20:19.57 | de-ionp1 | should I try the non server version? |
| 20:20.26 | mjt | heh. /me is fighting with wifi on my thinkpad edge for half a few months already |
| 20:20.27 | somiaj | de-ionp1: I don't use java-package so I don't know what that could be give me a second |
| 20:20.33 | TheBlueWizard | ok....thanks, somiaj |
| 20:20.43 | de-ionp1 | no rush im going to try the non server package |
| 20:20.46 | de-ionp1 | then ill give up |
| 20:20.49 | de-ionp1 | for now |
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| 20:21.19 | tomodachi | ls |
| 20:21.37 | somiaj | de-ionp1: no problem, you can install it in /usr/local just fine which is what I was gonna suggest |
| 20:22.11 | de-ionp1 | go figure |
| 20:22.14 | de-ionp1 | jre-7u55-linux-x64.tar.gz |
| 20:22.19 | de-ionp1 | it recognizes that package... |
| 20:22.33 | de-ionp1 | but not the server versions of 7 or 8 |
| 20:22.36 | de-ionp1 | or jre-8 |
| 20:22.57 | de-ionp1 | *but not the jre-7 or 8 server versions |
| 20:23.36 | somiaj | de-ionp1: if you just untar that folder (maybe you have to run a binary to extract the java stuff) it will extract a full java tree java-foo |
| 20:24.05 | somiaj | de-ionp1: you can put that in /usr/local/java-foo and make links to /usr/local/bin (or add the java-foo/bin path to you $PATH) and run java from that jsut fine. |
| 20:24.19 | de-ionp1 | ill save that incase i have to relive this nightmare |
| 20:24.24 | de-ionp1 | will that work with version 8? |
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| 20:24.29 | de-ionp1 | -that method |
| 20:24.31 | somiaj | de-ionp1: it is putting it into a package to integrate with the debian system so it lives in /usr |
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| 20:25.15 | de-ionp1 | the thing that sucks is it's not in the repository so i have to keep manually updating it right |
| 20:25.19 | somiaj | de-ionp1: yes, note putting it in /usr/local is independent of the debian system. debian will not know you installed this sofwate (thus if something depends on it you have to use equivs to tell dpkg it exsts). 2) you are fully repsonable to matain/admin and deal with it. |
| 20:25.28 | de-ionp1 | =[ |
| 20:25.30 | de-ionp1 | grr |
| 20:25.30 | somiaj | de-ionp1: yes and keep it out of /usr, make sure it only ever lives in /usr/local |
| 20:25.38 | de-ionp1 | i'll save your suggestions in a txt file |
| 20:25.40 | de-ionp1 | thanks somiaj |
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| 20:25.49 | somiaj | de-ionp1: as for why java-package doesn't work on newer version is it may have to learn how thigns change to correctly package it for debian. |
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| 20:26.09 | de-ionp1 | yeah that's what i assumed as well |
| 20:26.16 | de-ionp1 | i figured they would at least maintain it |
| 20:26.45 | realitygaps | well, updated to upstart and put the pkg on hold - hopefully that will keep the vps running until i manage to migrate it to a more supported solution |
| 20:26.48 | somiaj | de-ionp1: oh they do, but the version in debian stable is frozen |
| 20:26.56 | de-ionp1 | ah |
| 20:27.07 | de-ionp1 | i rather run openjdk anyway |
| 20:27.17 | de-ionp1 | but it's what's required for openmeeting so meh |
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| 20:29.31 | jimmyjoe | Hello, does anybody know how to do apt-get purge mariadb-client-5.5 mariadb-server-5.5 and NOT have it stop the mysqld (which is already running 10.0) |
| 20:29.54 | jimmyjoe | i just want to clean it up so it doesn't show up under dpkg-query as 'rc' |
| 20:30.15 | jimmyjoe | but stopping and having to start mariadb10 is unnecessary and annoying |
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| 20:33.11 | somiaj | jimmyjoe: so the packages are in the 'rc' state, jsut dpkg --purge theme |
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| 20:40.46 | ruukasu | dpkg, |
| 20:40.46 | dpkg | ruukasu: are you using Windows? |
| 20:40.49 | ruukasu | dpkg, |
| 20:43.06 | MrFrood | ruukasu: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 20:43.45 | ruukasu | MrFrood, working on checklist |
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| 20:44.07 | MrFrood | :) |
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| 20:46.10 | ruukasu | MrFrood, I'm in the audio group and the root aplay command didn't work. but what do these mean? |
| 20:46.11 | ruukasu | 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. |
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| 20:46.40 | somiaj | ruukasu: ps fax | grep pulse -- or dpkg -l | grep pulse (do you have pulseaudio installed or running)? |
| 20:46.58 | r00s | how can i allow the `daemon` user to lookup ldap users (via nss/pam)? |
| 20:48.16 | ruukasu | somiaj, the dpkg command gave lots of results, including "PulseAudio sound server" |
| 20:48.18 | MrFrood | r00s: 3 you can check using ps/top or htop etc |
| 20:48.51 | MrFrood | 6 I'm suspecting you have not installed any OSS packages |
| 20:49.01 | jimmyjoe | somiaj ok I'll try that thanks. |
| 20:49.13 | MrFrood | er ruukasu ^^^^, sorru r00s |
| 20:49.18 | somiaj | ruukasu: sounds like you have pulseaudio installed, try to use pavucontrol to configure it |
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| 20:51.40 | ruukasu | MrFrood, somiaj, pulse must have been muted, unmuted some channel in pavucontrol and it works find now, thanks |
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| 21:02.49 | martianlobster | sometimes when I put in a certain combination of video cards startx just makes the screen go black. When I run aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt, I get aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt |
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| 21:03.31 | centrx | Is this a Haiku |
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| 21:03.42 | martianlobster | lol no |
| 21:03.52 | martianlobster | taking time to get the output |
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| 21:04.04 | Aurelia18 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.23 | galex-713 | lol doesn’t anymore mean laughing, just smile, I think |
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| 21:05.18 | martianlobster | http://acumensoftwareinc.com/startx.txt this is the output of startx |
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| 21:05.22 | centrx | lol means I wish I could smile but I am too jaded so I'll type lol to convey the act I assume would be natural |
| 21:05.35 | galex-713 | :) |
| 21:05.45 | martianlobster | the actual screen is locked black |
| 21:05.46 | galex-713 | (I would rathen use “^^” for smile) |
| 21:05.47 | martianlobster | unusable |
| 21:06.05 | galex-713 | Why? |
| 21:06.13 | martianlobster | I can't see anything |
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| 21:06.18 | martianlobster | it is blank |
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| 21:06.23 | martianlobster | no text, just black |
| 21:06.32 | galex-713 | wttf |
| 21:06.35 | galex-713 | *wtf |
| 21:06.44 | galex-713 | You don’t see “^^”? |
| 21:06.52 | galex-713 | Two circonflex accents |
| 21:07.17 | galex-713 | You know, the thing usually used to mean “power/exponent” |
| 21:07.43 | galex-713 | Oh wait |
| 21:07.44 | martianlobster | the sequence of events is: I put in video cards in a certain combination. I start up, sudo bash then aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f. then cold boot, a d startx |
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| 21:08.04 | martianlobster | does anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this thing? |
| 21:08.10 | galex-713 | No relationship with what I said, sorry, I thought you were answering to me |
| 21:08.18 | somiaj | martianlobster: I woudln't use aticonfig to make xorg config files, you don't need much these days. manage your own xorg.conf files |
| 21:08.33 | jf_ | anyone heard about qemu like rootkits |
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| 21:09.00 | ompaul | jf_: perhaps you could expand that into a full sentence please. |
| 21:09.16 | martianlobster | interesting, well I guess I can poke around and see if Ican figure out how to make a better xorg.conf |
| 21:09.35 | ompaul | martianlobster: mv the xorg out of the way see how the box reacts |
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| 21:10.03 | ompaul | martianlobster: you may be impressed, or maybe not. |
| 21:10.12 | martianlobster | you mean mv xorg.conf, xorg.conf.bak reboot and try it? |
| 21:10.15 | somiaj | martianlobster: if you use the radeon drivers you shoudn't need an xorg.conf file. If you use the fglrx drivers you should only need enough of the the config (like 4 lines) to tell xorg to use the non-free driver. |
| 21:10.17 | ompaul | ya |
| 21:10.34 | martianlobster | wow |
| 21:10.35 | martianlobster | ok |
| 21:10.39 | martianlobster | will give it a shot |
| 21:10.51 | somiaj | martianlobster: one other question, did you install the ati fglrx stuff from their webiste? |
| 21:11.12 | martianlobster | I got them from ADM |
| 21:11.13 | martianlobster | yes |
| 21:11.13 | jf_ | i am sure there was opensshd remote vuln before heartbleed patch |
| 21:11.34 | somiaj | martianlobster: this is dangerous, can mess up your system and things may not work right since dpkg has no clue you did this and may overwrite things. |
| 21:11.56 | ompaul | !ati |
| 21:11.56 | dpkg | Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:12.02 | ompaul | thats about the best one can hope for |
| 21:12.38 | martianlobster | i have an R9290x, which isn't supported in the debian fglrx |
| 21:12.41 | martianlobster | :-( |
| 21:13.38 | somiaj | ,v fglrx-drivers |
| 21:13.40 | judd | No package named 'fglrx-drivers' was found in i386. |
| 21:13.52 | somiaj | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 21:13.53 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.3~beta1.0-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.3~beta1.0-1 |
| 21:14.10 | somiaj | You can get teh 13.12 package from backports, think it is newenough? |
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| 21:17.16 | martianlobster | hmmmm |
| 21:17.29 | martianlobster | I,wish I,would have know that a month ago |
| 21:17.44 | martianlobster | I spent about 3 weeks getting,fglrx to work |
| 21:18.25 | catern | Hey, I'm setting up preseeding for automated creation of VMs (that's the right approach right?) and it's working well, but the first menu where you pick between install, graphical install, etc. - how do I bypass that? |
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| 21:19.48 | martianlobster | I tried using an almost empty xorg.conf, and it only seeks one card |
| 21:19.53 | martianlobster | but it worss |
| 21:20.03 | somiaj | martianlobster: one second |
| 21:21.15 | martianlobster | ok |
| 21:21.23 | somiaj | martianlobster: http://paste.debian.net/94605/ |
| 21:21.24 | martianlobster | could someone,tell me how to stop xwindows? |
| 21:21.36 | somiaj | martianlobster: how did you start xwindows? |
| 21:21.51 | somiaj | martianlobster: that should be all you need in your xorg.conf file |
| 21:21.54 | martianlobster | sunkan: nohup startx & |
| 21:21.56 | somiaj | to run that fglrx drivers |
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| 21:22.00 | centrx | *obligatory "what is xwindows?" here* |
| 21:22.00 | martianlobster | from an ssh session |
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| 21:22.25 | somiaj | martianlobster: quit from your window manager/de using their quit feature it will end |
| 21:22.41 | somiaj | martianlobster: find the process and kill it |
| 21:23.56 | ompaul | using ssh |
| 21:23.58 | ompaul | what? |
| 21:24.00 | martianlobster | ok, upper left, logout that did it |
| 21:24.24 | martianlobster | I usually doing things via an ssh terminal |
| 21:24.30 | martianlobster | prefer headless servers |
| 21:24.51 | martianlobster | The server is next to me now , because I am home and messing around with the hardware |
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| 21:30.10 | firztspawn | hi all |
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| 21:30.40 | firztspawn | I rebuilt my computer yesterday (new mobo etc) and reinstall debian stable, with kde |
| 21:31.04 | firztspawn | I have sound, but it sounds crackly, not sure why |
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| 21:31.44 | firztspawn | have looked in alsamixer and tweaked settings, noted that fron microphone affects this the most and turned that right down |
| 21:31.51 | firztspawn | but the audio is still crackly |
| 21:32.01 | firztspawn | front* |
| 21:32.22 | mo1991 | somiaj - i have finally finished installing and configuring my brothers wheezy machine after all the uefi madness - thank God. Thanks again for your help yesterday :) I was going crazy |
| 21:32.23 | firztspawn | kmix tells me I am using vlc backend |
| 21:33.02 | firztspawn | lspci outputs: Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) |
| 21:34.14 | spyder | how to open empathy log files? |
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| 21:41.24 | martman | im trying to burn some blurays with k3b and i keep getting a fatal i/o error at 99% and im not sure why. all the posts im finding alone are several years old and blaming old software, the advice is often just use k3b instead |
| 21:41.30 | martman | anyone know how to pull this off correct? |
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| 21:44.19 | centrx | ebfull, What do you mean by "good idea"? |
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| 21:50.38 | evck | I can't get my rtl8818ce wifi card to show up in iwconfig/ifconfig... I've tried installing firmware-realtek, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree and modprobing the rtl8192ce driver doesn't seem to do anything... Any advice? |
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| 21:52.37 | evck | alternatively, is there an easy way to switch to kernel 3.2 on jessie? |
| 21:53.29 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | check rfkill? |
| 21:53.59 | evck | RdrOfTheSt0rm, no blocks in rfkill. |
| 21:55.41 | evck | I followed these instructions, moved the firmware files into /usr/local/lib: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 21:56.41 | catern | Hey, I'm setting up preseeding for automated creation of VMs (that's the right approach right?) and it's working well, but the first menu where you pick between install, graphical install, etc. - how do I bypass that? |
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| 21:57.03 | movic | hi guys |
| 21:57.38 | movic | need little help, when i run vim under specific users, it loads global settings |
| 21:58.12 | movic | it looks like it's running from /etc/.vim |
| 21:58.41 | movic | but i think it should run from user/.vim/ |
| 22:01.47 | martman | im trying to burn some blurays with k3b and i keep getting a fatal i/o error at 99% and im not sure why. all the posts im finding alone are several years old and blaming old software, the advice is often just use k3b instead |
| 22:01.48 | martman | anyone know how to pull this off correct? |
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| 22:07.20 | martianlobster | ompaul are you still here? |
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| 22:10.12 | NetEcho | hey guys, I'm trying to determine if there is support for a radeon hd 3100 in jessie, I can't seem to find a list of supported devices with the fglrx 14.3 drivers |
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| 22:11.11 | NetEcho | or if there is third party driver support |
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| 22:12.32 | relaxed | fglrx is third party, no? |
| 22:13.04 | NetEcho | as far as I can tell fglrx is from amd/ati |
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| 22:13.59 | NetEcho | I'm going to convert my buddy's gf's box to linux for him so they can use it as a media server and have her run something like lxde so it's easy for her to use |
| 22:14.32 | relaxed | "man radeon" lists "RS780/RS880 Radeon HD 3100/3200/3300/4100/4200/4250/4290" on wheezy, so you should be fine. |
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| 22:15.17 | NetEcho | sweet, hopefully the installer gets it just fine, X is not my forte. all my linux boxes are command line only |
| 22:15.56 | relaxed | you shouldn't have any issues |
| 22:16.19 | NetEcho | hopefully he was right about it being a hd3100 heh |
| 22:16.36 | NetEcho | I'll probably be back later , thanks relaxed |
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| 22:18.33 | movic | guys, can someone help me with vim on debian |
| 22:18.34 | movic | ? |
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| 22:19.41 | relaxed | don't ask to ask |
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| 22:20.12 | movic | :) |
| 22:20.18 | movic | need little help, when i run vim under specific users, it loads global settings |
| 22:20.36 | movic | it looks like it's running from /etc/.vim |
| 22:20.41 | movic | but i think it should run from user/.vim/ |
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| 22:26.13 | deego | movic: I thought most programs load /both/ settings. |
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| 22:30.40 | movic | daego: the problem is, that vim is not loading local users settings |
| 22:30.48 | spyder | how to open empathy log files? |
| 22:31.00 | movic | deego: only global |
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| 22:31.21 | movic | deego: and this is frustrating, when every users want to have different settings |
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| 22:44.04 | deego | movic: idk, try #vim? |
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| 22:45.07 | bitterman | when i execute command dpkg --add-architecture i386 nothing happens, anyone have any thougts? |
| 22:46.59 | deego | bitterman: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
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| 22:48.02 | bitterman | deego: shows amd64, i386 |
| 22:48.14 | deego | bitterman: cool :) |
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| 22:49.07 | spyder | how to open empathy log files? |
| 22:49.25 | bitterman | deego: oops sorry, just shows i386 |
| 22:51.36 | tomodachi | spyder: im presuming they are clear text? |
| 22:51.43 | bitterman | deego: the thing is, everything seems fine, no error, but when i try to use aptitude to install some 32bit libraries, it's like i never executed the command |
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| 22:52.44 | deego | bitterman: pastebin it? |
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| 22:53.31 | bitterman | deego: uhh, what? sorry, pretty new to linux. |
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| 22:53.38 | Max_x | I'm trying to install debian from the netinst image through a USB stick, but during the installation i'm prompted to load my wifi firmware (ralink rt73) with another usb flash drive. I've tried adding the firmware file (rt73.usb) both in the root of the usb flash drive and inside a firmware folder, and neither have worked, the installer can't seem to find the file. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can load the firmware? |
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| 22:54.08 | Max_x | sorry, the file is rt73.bin |
| 22:54.53 | deego | bitterman: paste a complete report on pastebin.com so we can see what aptitude command you talk about, the complete command, the result, and what you expected instead. |
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| 22:55.32 | spyder | tomodachi: no they are xml documents |
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| 23:01.32 | bitterman | deego: im trying to install wine, so i need the wine-bin:i386. so when i use apt-get install , it just says that dependecies are unmet. I think it is because i use a 64bit system but for some reason can't setup multiarch, even though it seems simple enough |
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| 23:04.42 | hanako | I've found a devastating bug that Debian devs need to know |
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| 23:08.34 | SynrG | hanako: file a bug, then |
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| 23:09.00 | hanako | When you do a Debian net-installation for XFCE4 and do not make a separate account for root and user you're stuck at the loginscreen. |
| 23:09.00 | hanako | I think it uses GDM, but anyway to login as root you just enter nothing in the section where it asks for your name, but every time you click the enter button and nothing is filled out it doesn't work, there is no way to get to the section where you put in your password. |
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| 23:10.19 | SynrG | hanako: using which installer image? the wheezy one or jessie alpha? |
| 23:10.29 | hanako | stable (I think wheezy) |
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| 23:10.39 | SynrG | file an installation-report then |
| 23:10.47 | hanako | I don't know how |
| 23:11.08 | SynrG | the Debian installation guide says how |
| 23:11.12 | hanako | Ok |
| 23:11.23 | keetrainchild | Does Debian still use /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? |
| 23:11.39 | SynrG | /etc/gdm3/gdm.conf i think |
| 23:11.42 | keetrainchild | There at least used to be a setting to forbid root logins. |
| 23:11.56 | SynrG | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf belongs to the old gdm |
| 23:12.02 | keetrainchild | I'd check, but I don't have Debian installed right now. |
| 23:12.25 | SynrG | xfce4 defaults to lightdm, not gdm |
| 23:12.27 | hanako | There is no way in the advanced installation for net-install to install a different DM as far as I amaware |
| 23:12.37 | hanako | I am pretty sure it was GDM |
| 23:12.43 | hanako | Almost certain |
| 23:12.51 | hanako | But lightdm is buggy |
| 23:12.55 | keetrainchild | I think you're not really supposed to log into a display damager as root, anyway. |
| 23:13.09 | hanako | I don't know how you're suppose to login |
| 23:13.18 | hanako | I just followed the installation instructions |
| 23:13.37 | hanako | and when I choose my desktop environment I chose xfce4 and that's wad DM it came with |
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| 23:14.02 | SynrG | $ apt-cache show show task-xfce-desktop | grep Depends |
| 23:14.02 | SynrG | Depends: tasksel, task-desktop, xfce4, lightdm |
| 23:14.46 | keetrainchild | So it is lightdm... you should be able to switch to a console and add a new user, though. |
| 23:14.55 | hanako | No |
| 23:15.06 | deego | hanako: "devastating bug"? like heartbleed? |
| 23:15.08 | hanako | I tried to switch to a guest account, nothing happened |
| 23:15.19 | hanako | -Deego: It was devastating to me |
| 23:15.26 | SynrG | you used "expert" install? |
| 23:15.30 | hanako | Yes |
| 23:15.37 | SynrG | there are many *many* ways to shoot yourself in the foot with that |
| 23:15.41 | SynrG | expert install is for experts. |
| 23:15.50 | hanako | I am an expert |
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| 23:16.42 | deego | :) |
| 23:16.49 | SynrG | if you have a completely reproducible failure case, i'm sure the d-i team wants to know about it |
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| 23:17.06 | hanako | I want to tell them but I don't know how |
| 23:17.12 | SynrG | file an installation-report as per the Debian installation guide |
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| 23:17.20 | hanako | I tried the installation again and the same problem occoured |
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| 23:18.21 | hanako | I cannot find where to report the problem |
| 23:18.29 | hanako | http://www.debian.org/reports/ |
| 23:18.50 | SynrG | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#problem-report |
| 23:18.58 | keetrainchild | Oh |
| 23:19.00 | hanako | Thanks |
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| 23:19.51 | keetrainchild | The file /etc/lightdm/users.conf does not show uid below 1000 by default. |
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| 23:20.08 | keetrainchild | So if you are using the drop-down list, root won't appear there. |
| 23:20.46 | keetrainchild | too late... |
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