| 00:00.28 | themill | martman: packages have to be specially designed to be co-installable. |
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| 00:02.09 | martman | ....dont tell me i seriously have to compile all of this myself |
| 00:02.22 | martman | it cant be this broken |
| 00:02.30 | themill | or you could not tell us what you're trying to do |
| 00:03.25 | martman | ...use 32bit python |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | and why? |
| 00:04.32 | abrotman | martman: why do you need 32bit python? |
| 00:04.46 | martman | ....to piss people off in irc channels? err, i mean to run my software that still hasnt been ported to 64bit and went out of its way to require 32bit python for some unknown reason |
| 00:05.00 | themill | you could be specific rather than vague. |
| 00:05.21 | martman | i know people mean well, you guys included.... but seriously... worse question ever.... |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell martman about chroot |
| 00:05.31 | themill | no it's not |
| 00:05.40 | themill | the only people I've ever seen want a foreign arch python were bootstrapping a new architecture and i386 is not a new arch |
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| 00:06.16 | themill | everyone else can do things in other ways. |
| 00:06.35 | gabriel | no one experienced with efi ? |
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| 00:09.01 | martman | i still cant undertsand how apt things removing all python and what looks like anything that can use python is the solution |
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| 00:13.20 | gabriel_1 | no one can hel me? |
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| 00:24.18 | emhs | Okay, I'm trying to configure postfix and sasl, but it's totally not working. |
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| 00:24.50 | emhs | I'm getting 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: bad protocol / cancel |
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| 00:27.58 | emhs | main.cf: http://sprunge.us/KWYb | master.cf: http://sprunge.us/IeJI |
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| 00:28.52 | abrotman | emhs: there's a pretty simple HOWTO at postfix.org IIRC |
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| 00:29.59 | emhs | abrotman: Yeah, followed it, no success. |
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| 00:56.58 | petern_ | Hmm, annoying packaging... mono's certmgr is in mono-devel. |
| 00:57.24 | petern_ | The list of new packages to install just to use that is... wow. |
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| 01:18.44 | linuxator | how to get flash playerfor Wheezy? |
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| 01:20.38 | abrotman | which flash? |
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| 01:26.13 | linuxator | root@linuxator:/home/deepblue/.themes# update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 01:26.15 | linuxator | bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found |
| 01:26.17 | linuxator | root@linuxator:/home/deepblue/.themes# apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:26.19 | linuxator | Reading package lists... Done.how to fix this? |
| 01:26.21 | linuxator | Building dependency tree |
| 01:26.23 | linuxator | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:26.25 | linuxator | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 01:26.27 | linuxator | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:26.29 | linuxator | is only available from another source |
| 01:26.33 | linuxator | E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linuxator about adobe flash |
| 01:27.18 | centrx | Come on, you know not to paste. It's not even readable like this. |
| 01:28.10 | linuxator | centrx: sorry |
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| 01:43.34 | AlleyKat_ | how do I change the apt repo? is it a file or a command? |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 01:44.36 | AlleyKat_ | its a little nas box, no man... yet |
| 01:44.58 | AlleyKat_ | sec, lemme try to vi sources.list |
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| 01:45.51 | AlleyKat_ | yes! thx abrotman |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | Doesn't sound like Debian |
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| 01:46.38 | AlleyKat_ | I'm guessing a busybox, but we'll see |
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| 01:47.08 | SynrGy | busybox is a package, not a distro. the question is what distro you're seeking support for |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | watches random internet instructions ruin the NAS |
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| 01:47.43 | SynrGy | this isn't #anything-with-apt, it's #debian |
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| 01:52.19 | AlleyKat_ | its a lenny it seems :) |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | heh, that's not good. |
| 01:53.11 | SynrGy | AlleyKat_: lenny-based, but not pure lenny, likely |
| 01:53.43 | SynrGy | and therein lies the trouble, as we don't know what changes the nas vendor has made |
| 01:53.55 | AlleyKat_ | its an LG nas drive, very oldschool interface, got it hacked with ssh, haven't gotten much further - its just for kicks (and maybe set a few security things in various configs) |
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| 01:55.48 | AlleyKat_ | it seems to run a few servers just fine, but would be lovely to have n00b stuff like nano and mc for ease-of use... and as it stated to be using lenny, I thought I could seek quick help in here - and i could. never mind the issues about it being eol, its just a li'l nas for local use |
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| 01:57.21 | AlleyKat_ | and if I know those companies right, there's probably no source or anything useful available, it's just hit'n'miss :D thanks for the help |
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| 01:57.34 | SynrGy | AlleyKat_: if we didn't rule out support here on the basis of it being a "custom" job by the vendor, we'd rule it out based on it being lenny :p |
| 01:57.46 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 01:59.59 | catern | how do I install a package from a script that has dialog-configured settings? |
| 02:00.14 | catern | ideally I'd just like to set those settings from the script |
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| 02:01.01 | abrotman | catern: debconf --set-selections perhaps |
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| 02:15.27 | catern | from poking around a little, it looks like I can just have a noninteractive frontend to debconf? shouldn't I be able to use that during the install? |
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| 02:16.59 | catern | did you mean something other than debconf --set-sections? |
| 02:17.08 | catern | ah! debconf-set-selections I think you meant :) |
| 02:18.16 | catern | this looks perfect! thanks! |
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| 02:30.58 | shape | Hi, how does debian testing (jessie) deal with packages, as compared to arch linux. Do they modify the packages for compatibility, in what way? |
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| 02:41.26 | harovali | hi, it's really strange. I mkdir mydir; mount /dev/sdb6 mydir ; success. Then umount mydir ; success. Then the mydir gets REMOVED as a mountpoint. With dinamically generated directories I can understand, but umount hasn't ever removed the mountpoint itself AFAICR. Is ther a way to avoid that? |
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| 02:43.11 | trix`G | can you make the dir as root and mount / umount as user? |
| 02:43.36 | harovali | trix`G: I'll try |
| 02:43.38 | trix`G | nvm that wouldn't work |
| 02:43.51 | harovali | trix`G: I was doing it as root always |
| 02:43.57 | trix`G | cant mount to a dir the user cannot access |
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| 02:44.54 | trix`G | only thing I can think of is maybe try to specify that mount point as persistent in fstab or something |
| 02:47.19 | harovali | trix`G: no. Any mountpoint, either created as user, as root, mounted as user, as root, when unmoumted will delete de mountpoint |
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| 02:48.16 | harovali | trix`G: this seems really weird , since if I create a mountpoint is because I wanna use it in /etc/fstab, but it will fail the secon time becouse the previous umount deleted it. |
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| 02:56.01 | PryMar56 | harovali, is there an alias on umount? aliases |
| 02:57.00 | PryMar56 | alias | grep mount |
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| 03:00.05 | silv3r_m00n | hi |
| 03:00.08 | harovali | PryMar56: nope, not at all. |
| 03:00.23 | silv3r_m00n | an article talks about adding testing/unstable branches, and it shows something like this deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:00.31 | silv3r_m00n | what is that wheezy/updates thing ? |
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| 03:01.09 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: it's bad article. Don't add testing/unstable branches. |
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| 03:01.33 | rubin110 | I'm trying to send myself local system mail through exim4. When I open mutt I get an error like: /var/mail/rubin110: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
| 03:01.58 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: but sometimes we need a bit higher version of a certain package, which is present in testing but not stable, then ? |
| 03:01.59 | harovali | PryMar56: trix`G: What happened to this guy in mint (I'm on debian whezzy!) is THE SAME thing that it happens to me. http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=75448 . Noboydy gave him a valid answer. |
| 03:01.59 | rubin110 | Is there some switch to force exim4 to create mbox files in /var/mail ? |
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| 03:02.27 | sydney | anyone here? |
| 03:02.46 | harovali | PryMar56: trix`G: it also seems a security breach, since umount will delete as a user a root owned and 0700 chmod marked. |
| 03:03.27 | harovali | It looks like a udev awkwardness which throws by the windows years of stability to system administration. |
| 03:03.33 | dvs | !tell silv3r_m00n about backports |
| 03:03.42 | harovali | I never expected debian to do this. |
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| 03:04.17 | Lt_Lemming | hey all, trying to do a net install, got a valid mirror with my local ISP, but the net install just keeps complaining about an invalid release file |
| 03:04.25 | harovali | I'll have to adapt to the ubuntizization of all the previously stable linux world |
| 03:04.25 | Lt_Lemming | even when I give it the full path to the release file |
| 03:04.30 | Lt_Lemming | any ideas? |
| 03:04.34 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: so backports would contain all packages ? |
| 03:04.47 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: no, only certain packages. |
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| 03:05.01 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: specific ones ? |
| 03:05.19 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: the ones where developers took the time to recompile |
| 03:05.24 | silv3r_m00n | i once needed apache 2.4.x but the stable only had 2.2.x what then ? |
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| 03:05.56 | ProfessorBacon | is 20MB/s good for a samba server? |
| 03:06.10 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: you can try compiling use the source from testing/unstable but Apache would be a big order. |
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| 03:06.14 | ProfessorBacon | on a gig-e switch? |
| 03:06.35 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: why not just install it from testing when its there |
| 03:06.45 | shape | Hi, how does debian testing (jessie) deal with packages, as compared to arch linux. Do they modify the packages for compatibility, in what way? |
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| 03:07.07 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: then you end up with the testing distribution. You would no longer be running stable. |
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| 03:08.19 | wols | shape: both arch and debian modify them. e.g. no distro would install something to /usr/local |
| 03:08.24 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: i would apt pin stable to highest priority and just install apache from testing using apt-get -t |
| 03:08.43 | wols | silv3r_m00n: that leads to a broken debian. /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 03:08.57 | shape | wols: Yeah but I heard people complaining that Debian, debianizez packages in a pejorative way, any idea what that meant? |
| 03:09.09 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: then the apache packages would pull in the libraries from testing as well. |
| 03:09.12 | wols | silv3r_m00n: you can try a backport or you can make your own, or you can fully switch over to testing. those are your only viable choices |
| 03:09.27 | dvs | wols: backport of apache? |
| 03:09.29 | wols | shape: depends on the package |
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| 03:09.49 | shape | shape: yup, so what exactly do they change, for stability and compatibility? |
| 03:09.55 | wols | dvs: I wrote about the general case. in case of apache, backports and ssb are mostly theoretical only |
| 03:10.03 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: you mean to say, that it can break debian ? like for me apache worked fine without issues |
| 03:10.19 | wols | shape: please read my last line again |
| 03:10.37 | wols | silv3r_m00n: there is no "can", but it will break if you pin it that way |
| 03:10.38 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: it means you're no longer running stable if you took in packages from testing or unstable. |
| 03:11.10 | shape | shape: yup, but I was just curious in general :) |
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| 03:16.31 | silv3r_m00n | if i am running wheezy, what should i add to sources, wheezy-backports or stable-backports ? |
| 03:16.54 | silv3r_m00n | i guess if i add stable-backports, then i dont need to change it when i upgrade to jessie ? |
| 03:17.00 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: wheezy-backports |
| 03:17.20 | silv3r_m00n | what is the difference ? |
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| 03:18.33 | dvs | silv3r_m00n: using wheezy will allow you to control the upgrade when the new release comes out. If you use stable, then the upgrade will happen without your control which could mess up your system. |
| 03:19.32 | silv3r_m00n | dvs: you mean to say that when jessie becomes stable, my system would suddenly start pulling jessie packages upon doing apt-get update/upgrade and without any notice ? |
| 03:19.41 | dvs | yes |
| 03:19.49 | silv3r_m00n | great, now i understand |
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| 03:20.45 | z8z | what this new ssl update is about? |
| 03:21.06 | dvs | bleeds z8z's heard |
| 03:21.09 | dvs | bleeds z8z's heart |
| 03:21.44 | z8z | that was the previous one and now? found another bug? :D |
| 03:22.08 | dvs | z8z: wouldn't surprise me since it's getting many eyes now. |
| 03:22.34 | z8z | dvs: lol |
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| 04:08.41 | sydney | Arrowmaster, are you still here |
| 04:08.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:09.19 | sydney | It worked and my wifi is functioning.... Thank You a ton!!! |
| 04:09.39 | sydney | May I ask a dumb ? now |
| 04:10.56 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 04:15.50 | sydney | Arrowmaster, ok so I just installed wheezy yesterday and am not sure if it is running gnome 3 or gtk or what so I can look for themes to apply |
| 04:16.25 | sydney | it has gnome tweak tool so I am guessing gnome just not sure if its gnome 2 or 3 |
| 04:17.26 | Arrowmaster | its gnome 3 |
| 04:18.21 | Arrowmaster | theres some themes in the repos but i dont think theres a great way to get a list of them all |
| 04:18.23 | sydney | ok Thank you any site suggestions for themes? |
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| 04:18.46 | Arrowmaster | no clue, i tend to use clearlooks since its simple and always updated |
| 04:19.01 | sydney | will I need to add any repos to find themes? |
| 04:19.08 | sydney | or the ones I already have? |
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| 04:19.43 | Arrowmaster | theres some already in the debian repos, others probably arent packaged for debian and you would need to download and install them manually |
| 04:20.40 | sydney | ok that might be another day I have some school work to get done and work tomorrow |
| 04:21.34 | sydney | Thank You again for the help, I also have LMDE installed and need to do the same b43 thing on LMDE just need to figure out which LMDE repo has it |
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| 04:23.32 | nezZario | OK |
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| 04:24.43 | nezZario | Serious question to anyhone familiar with the debian installer |
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| 04:25.36 | nezZario | How pissed off would the installer be if I try to install debian on ext4 partition that already has some data? |
| 04:26.26 | Arrowmaster | you can do it |
| 04:26.43 | nezZario | It would save me considerable time if I could just rm -rf some stuff minus 2 directories in /root (/home and a dir of my own that normally is not there) and install debian over.. it's currently ubuntu |
| 04:27.26 | nezZario | I'll backup the data that's important.. but i'll try it and try to skip some of the large hunks of data that can be replaced but it'll just take time (and if i mess it up, i can just replace it) |
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| 05:27.33 | matlock | is there any way to place a semi transparent overlay on the background? I.E. say i have a background rotator, and some of the bg's are too bright, and I'd like to dim them all, without editing the original image |
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| 05:32.00 | somiaj | matlock: what program do you use to show the images, I would see if it had such options |
| 05:32.28 | matlock | well |
| 05:32.34 | matlock | here's an example... |
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| 05:33.13 | matlock | http://paste.debian.net/94790/ |
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| 05:33.52 | somiaj | well there are lots of different graphical apps out there and they can set the background |
| 05:34.09 | somiaj | imagick has a lot of tools for scripting to automate stuff like that |
| 05:35.00 | somiaj | I also know that imagemagick and set the background, though you may have to first darken the image with it to antoehr file and display that, but it is all scriptable and possible |
| 05:35.33 | matlock | hmm, I'll look into that... |
| 05:36.14 | somiaj | anyways what you could do is say have a single background image say $HOME/.wallpaper.png, and then use imagemagick's convert command to convert your image to that file and add any changes to the image you want |
| 05:36.32 | somiaj | there may also be other software that can easily adjust the brightness of the image before it puts it as a background |
| 05:36.44 | matlock | that's exactly what I was thinking >your first option there |
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| 05:37.59 | somiaj | matlock: convert -modulate 65 $source_file $HOME/.wallpaper.png |
| 05:38.59 | somiaj | matlock: modulate cna be between 0 and 200 for 0% to 200% brightness (well it does hue-saturation-ligthness, if all you want is birghtness, -modulate 100,100,85 |
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| 06:14.41 | owen1 | I try to rsync a folder that owned by gitolite user on a usb drive (vfat) that is owned by me and get 'chown <some file> faild: operation not permitted'. any tips? |
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| 06:30.22 | deego | owen1: --no-perms |
| 06:30.26 | deego | owen1: or contact root :) |
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| 06:31.22 | gour | morning |
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| 06:32.28 | gour | any hint how to clone debian installation from one ext4 disk to another btrfs formatted one? i've tried with rsync by excluding {dev,proc,sys,tmp}, but was not able to boot from the 2nd (btrfs) disk. any hint? |
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| 06:35.12 | deego | gour: hm, surely, rsync didn't copy the contents of the mbr? |
| 06:36.44 | gour | deego: i did issue: grub-install /dev/sda, anything else i need? |
| 06:37.12 | gour | notices that 2nd disk is actually /dev/sda |
| 06:38.24 | gour | should i dd mbr from one to the other? |
| 06:39.06 | deego | gour: ah. And, idk :( |
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| 06:42.50 | gour | deego: what about rsync command with excluding {dev,proc,sys,tmp}? is it ok or something is missing? |
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| 06:47.08 | Re1M0n1 | recordmydesktop kills my gnome-shell. Is that a known issue? |
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| 06:47.56 | somiaj | Re1M0n1: what version of debian do you run. If it is a known issue it will probably have a bug report assoicated with it either in debians bts at bugs.debian.org or the upstream bug reports |
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| 06:49.04 | Re1M0n1 | not found any. Wheezy. |
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| 06:49.20 | somiaj | Re1M0n1: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650353 |
| 06:49.46 | somiaj | is that what you are experiencing |
| 06:50.11 | Re1M0n1 | Yes, thanks. |
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| 06:51.41 | deego | gour: IDK, really. Whenever I've 'copied' debian machines in my life, I've just installed debian on the new one, and /then/ copied partitions. |
| 06:52.15 | Omilun | hello i need a xml and dtd ide or editors ... i need code completion on them ... in my class all student use windows web-application ... and i use aptana and emacs on debian ... my ides not have code completion ... |
| 06:52.27 | gour | deego: well, i want to have identical setup 'cause i'm just migrating from ext4 to btrfs |
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| 06:53.58 | Omilun | any body help me? |
| 06:55.51 | gmelis | on what? |
| 06:56.08 | Re1M0n1 | Omilun: ninja-ide? codeblocks? |
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| 06:56.52 | Omilun | Re1M0n1: i can use ninja-ide ? what is ninja? |
| 06:58.20 | Re1M0n1 | package. I think Sid only, sorry. |
| 06:58.22 | Re1M0n1 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/ninja-ide |
| 06:58.35 | Re1M0n1 | https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/codeblocks |
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| 06:59.46 | Omilun | Re1M0n1: ok thx man i cheek them |
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| 07:12.07 | Omilun | Re1M0n1: i installed ninja-id and it have only python |
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| 07:17.42 | owen1 | deego: thanks. i can become root. it's my serve. |
| 07:17.44 | owen1 | server. |
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| 07:21.58 | acu | so in wheezy-backports what do we need to install ? qemu instead of qemu-kvm ? |
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| 07:23.47 | Omilun | i need a xml and dtd ide or editors ... i need code completion on them ... in my class all student use windows web-application ... and i use aptana and emacs on debian ... my ides not have code completion ... |
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| 07:29.27 | Omilun | linux dont have xml editors?????????????? |
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| 07:29.45 | omnipotentduo | i use geany |
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| 07:30.32 | Omilun | omnipotentduo: geany have code completion for xml? |
| 07:31.07 | omnipotentduo | not sure to be honest, i use it to edit openbox which is built around xml |
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| 07:32.18 | Omilun | omnipotentduo: openbox is editors for xml ? |
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| 07:33.02 | omnipotentduo | openbox is a WM built around xml |
| 07:33.35 | Omilun | omnipotentduo: how can i use this ... i dont know that |
| 07:34.01 | omnipotentduo | http://openbox.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 07:36.00 | Omilun | omnipotentduo: its not helpful for me ... i need ide or editor like emacs or aptana |
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| 07:40.36 | Omilun | xml and dtd ide for debian any body have id ? :-( |
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| 07:41.10 | bazhang | debian has emacs |
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| 07:41.29 | Omilun | bazhang: yes and i use it |
| 07:41.53 | Omilun | bazhang: but emacs not have xml code completion |
| 07:41.54 | bazhang | aptana studio you'd have to check their support/home page |
| 07:42.29 | Omilun | bazhang: aptana have xml code completion ? |
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| 07:51.13 | Omilun | bazhang: emacs and aptana not have xml code completion ... its so bad for me bcz in class i recommended debian and linux :( ... emacs is powerful all of them ... |
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| 07:52.51 | gour | Omilun: http://www.thaiopensource.com/nxml-mode/ |
| 07:54.24 | rryoumaa | Omilun: if there isn't mode-specific completion, you can use hippie-expand and similar, but gour probably has your answer |
| 07:55.14 | Omilun | gour: thx dear gour i cheek it now |
| 07:55.55 | Omilun | rryoumaa: what is hippie-expand? its emacs mod or ide |
| 07:56.33 | gour | Omilun: check these two (available via melpa) as well: https://github.com/tali713/esxml & https://github.com/aki2o/auto-complete-nxml but bear in mind i do not work with xml ;) |
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| 07:57.28 | rryoumaa | it is a generic completion mechanism. there are many. |
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| 07:58.32 | Omilun | gour: aha i dont need code completion but i like say all of people linux = powerful |
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| 08:01.14 | aum | hi - can't get Brother MFC-260C scanner working under sid - have installed brother 'brscan2-0.2.5-1.amd64' driver, and sane-find-scanner finds it, but 'scanimage -L' can't find it - any ideas? |
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| 08:02.18 | gour | aum: have you tried under root? |
| 08:02.29 | aum | gour: yes, same result |
| 08:02.39 | gour | hmm |
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| 08:03.12 | aum | i'm running sid on an i5 |
| 08:03.20 | gour | aum: do you pass correct device? |
| 08:03.41 | aum | gour: what do you mean "pass"? |
| 08:03.49 | aum | sane-find-scanner finds the scanner |
| 08:03.57 | aum | scanimage -L finds nothing |
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| 08:04.14 | gour | aum: when invoking scanimage, sane-find-scanner shows what is scanner's device number |
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| 08:04.39 | aum | gour: yes, shows vendor and product ids |
| 08:04.43 | aum | what do i do with these? |
| 08:05.30 | gour | aum: i can't recall details 'cause i became fed up with sane's support and bought vuescan pro - lifetime license for $80 which works superb |
| 08:05.48 | aum | sane was great on old machine when i was running buntu |
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| 08:06.09 | aum | in fact, i've run several debian-based OSs with this scanner and never had an issue till now |
| 08:06.54 | gour | aum: try using scanimage -d devname |
| 08:07.10 | gour | check man page |
| 08:07.28 | aum | scanimage: open of device libusb:003:003 failed: Invalid argument |
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| 08:07.43 | gour | read man page |
| 08:07.59 | gour | -d or --device-name option |
| 08:07.59 | aum | scanimage -L shows no devices |
| 08:08.09 | omnipotentduo | try sudo and see what that gets you |
| 08:08.32 | aum | i'm doing all this as root anyway |
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| 08:08.39 | omnipotentduo | ahh |
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| 08:17.34 | gour | aum: i had to use -d option to make my epson usb working |
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| 08:19.56 | Aeo | hey, can someone help me, one of my scripts did a fsck -C, is there any way i can roll it back |
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| 08:26.43 | gour | anyone using systemd on sid? what are your experiences? any gotchas? |
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| 08:27.59 | linuxator | 'E: Malformed line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list (URI parse) |
| 08:28.02 | linuxator | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 08:28.03 | linuxator | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.'how to fix this? |
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| 08:30.37 | gour | --> short reboot trying to boot from 2nd disk |
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| 08:33.42 | SynrGy | linuxator: i guess find what's at line 9 in that file and fix it ... |
| 08:34.21 | ompaul | line nine or before ;-) |
| 08:34.23 | SynrGy | or assuming apt-spy generates that file, if you no longer need it remove it entirely, or remove it and get apt-spy to regenerate it |
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| 08:34.48 | ompaul | guesses |
| 08:35.22 | RougePad | yo |
| 08:35.36 | RougePad | anyone got any info on how to get a 7970 running under a debian fork |
| 08:36.15 | SynrGy | no, and you're probably in the wrong place for the question anyway |
| 08:36.40 | RougePad | why would this be the wrong place |
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| 08:36.53 | bazhang | RougePad, try the bamt channel |
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| 08:37.13 | SynrGy | because this is the #debian support channel, not the everything-in-the-universe-ever-based-on-debian support channel |
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| 08:37.47 | RougePad | ahh theres that linux autism shining through... |
| 08:37.56 | RougePad | thanks bazhang will ask |
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| 08:39.33 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | SteamOS on steammachines is based on debian wheezy, so erm, is it not too hard to get steam running properly on debian wheezy? |
| 08:39.37 | no_gravity | I have a plugged a usb-scanner into my debian machine. Any idea how I could make it scan something? |
| 08:40.00 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: install some scanner software? but also check dmesg to see the scanner is all recognized and everything ? |
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| 08:40.13 | ompaul | RougePad: so supposing your question was such that our advice borked your machine how happy would you be, we don't and can't know what changes various other distros made to vanilla debian, and we have no need to know. |
| 08:40.57 | no_gravity | cr45h0v3r1d3: install some scanner software? like apt-get install some-scanner-software? |
| 08:40.59 | ompaul | no_gravity: you need xsane and usually you need something like a blob for that particular scanner search for xsane support firmware |
| 08:41.12 | RougePad | ompaul, i wouldnt care, ive got nothing on here. I doubt it would affect anything on a hardware level, it wouldnt affect my win 8 partition |
| 08:41.17 | no_gravity | cr45h0v3r1d3: dmesg says "usb 8-1: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd" amongst other things |
| 08:41.23 | SynrGy | ,v steam |
| 08:41.24 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.47-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.47-2 |
| 08:41.30 | RougePad | so it only undoes 20 mins of work |
| 08:41.36 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: well im not sure what software there is actually, but I would google it |
| 08:41.58 | ompaul | RougePad: well I won't even guess how your distro handles firmware for video. So I guess that puts you in a really useless place for your question. |
| 08:41.59 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | judd: yeah that is funny, steam is for jessie, but steamos is on wheezy |
| 08:42.00 | no_gravity | ompaul: ok, running "apt-get install xsane" |
| 08:42.12 | no_gravity | ompaul: now what? |
| 08:42.13 | SynrGy | cr45h0v3r1d3: judd is a bot. |
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| 08:42.17 | RougePad | im running aptosid |
| 08:42.28 | ompaul | RougePad: join #aptosid |
| 08:42.28 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: hmm dmesg doesnt say anything anything like "CAnon" or the name of the scanner ? |
| 08:42.31 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | SynrG: ahh thanks |
| 08:42.32 | RougePad | im in it |
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| 08:42.42 | SynrGy | cr45h0v3r1d3: anyway, no, there is no steam for wheezy. |
| 08:42.44 | RougePad | 35 users vs 1474 users |
| 08:42.45 | no_gravity | cr45h0v3r1d3: yes, it says canon |
| 08:43.12 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: that is a good sig. so i guess yeah I wonder what some good scanning software is then, i would try that, im not sure if its harder than that |
| 08:43.15 | ompaul | RougePad: and you got an answer there from someone - they gave you the docs :) |
| 08:43.24 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | SynrGy: yeah needs newer libc I think |
| 08:43.28 | RougePad | aye |
| 08:43.32 | SynrGy | cr45h0v3r1d3: and no, there's nothing particularly funny about that. plenty of derivatives do the additional work to provide their own packages where there is value for them to do so |
| 08:43.52 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | SynrGy: yeah I guess they must have modded wheezy a fair bit then |
| 08:43.54 | SynrGy | that doesn't imply it was easy |
| 08:44.04 | ompaul | no_gravity: and what model is it |
| 08:44.35 | no_gravity | ompaul: LiDE 100 |
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| 08:44.46 | SynrGy | cr45h0v3r1d3: nor does it imply it was hard ... it just doesn't say anything at all about the relative ease/difficulty :p |
| 08:44.57 | SynrGy | what speaks louder is "steam is very popular, and there's no backport yet" |
| 08:45.01 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: thats a good sign, not a good sig heh. good that dmesg says usb device attached "Canon something scanner" |
| 08:45.21 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | SynrGy: true indeed, i have no idea how hard it might be lol ;-) |
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| 08:47.02 | ompaul | no_gravity: read this and find out where you drop the binary blob to make it work - I can't remember - http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON |
| 08:47.15 | no_gravity | ompaul: currently im trying to make sense of scanimage |
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| 08:47.27 | no_gravity | ompaul: it want the scanner name as an argument |
| 08:47.54 | no_gravity | ompaul: scanimage --list-devices gives me "device `genesys:libusb:008:003' is a Canon LiDE 100 flatbed scanner". what part could be the device name? |
| 08:48.04 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: dont know if this would work https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/simple-scan but *fingers crossed* |
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| 08:49.21 | no_gravity | cr45h0v3r1d3: "scanimage" seems to come as a default with debian. im trying to figure it out first. |
| 08:49.37 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: e.g. `aptitude install simple-scan` may install it with all dependencies, then you have a nice icon and click it and scan something and it all just works easily. then again it might completely bork up and not work, i really have no idea i dont use scanners much sorry |
| 08:49.53 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: yeah good idea to see if the default installed scanning app works first |
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| 08:51.20 | ompaul | no_gravity: that page points to gensys please read it for yourself |
| 08:51.30 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | no_gravity: yeah as ompaul was talking about, is probably a decent idea to see if your scanner is listed as supported at http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON too |
| 08:51.32 | aguitel | anyway to upgrade squeeze to wheezy with no gnome upgrade? |
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| 08:51.48 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ompaul: so scanners require a non-free blob as well lol ? |
| 08:51.53 | ompaul | cr45h0v3r1d3: it is listed |
| 08:52.00 | cr45h0v3r1d3 | ompaul: awesome |
| 08:52.00 | ale | ciao !list |
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| 08:52.09 | ompaul | !list |
| 08:52.09 | dpkg | ompaul: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 08:52.28 | ompaul | ale: free software Debian |
| 08:53.10 | ompaul | aguitel: remove gnome from scratch - |
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| 08:53.21 | ompaul | aguitel: don't go making your life awkward |
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| 08:53.53 | no_gravity | this seems to do something: scanimage -d genesys:libusb:008:003 > test.pnm |
| 08:54.18 | SynrGy | aguitel: i did this for my daughter for her eeepc model 4g. removed gnome, installed xfce, then upgraded. |
| 08:54.22 | aguitel | ompaul, need remain gnome2 |
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| 08:54.43 | ompaul | no_gravity: dropping the blob in the right place sorts out your need to do anything and lets you run x scan software |
| 08:54.57 | aguitel | SynrG, thanks for advice |
| 08:55.24 | SynrGy | aguitel: xfce is a reasonable replacement for gnome3. it is not gnome2, but it is supported in wheezy |
| 08:55.28 | SynrGy | aguitel: gnome2 is not |
| 08:55.38 | aguitel | ok |
| 08:56.04 | aguitel | and what about support from squeeze? |
| 08:56.29 | SynrGy | !squeeze-lts |
| 08:56.29 | dpkg | For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", security support for all packages for all architectures will end on 2014-05-31. However, there is a volunteer effort to continue security support the i386 and amd64 architectures through until February 2016. This volunteer effort needs YOUR help! See https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2907 and http://bits.debian.org/2014/03/working-on-squeeze-lts.html |
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| 08:56.44 | Moccodo | Hello, I accidentally sent an email to a debian mailing list with my private address that I do not want to appear in public. Is there something I can do? |
| 08:56.56 | SynrGy | aguitel: you have a little bit of extra time, now |
| 08:57.05 | ompaul | Moccodo: change your address |
| 08:57.25 | ompaul | Moccodo: no, it is public it has hit servers it will be there, and now archived and what not |
| 08:57.33 | no_gravity | ompaul: i dont understand that link you gave |
| 08:57.38 | no_gravity | ompaul: what blob? |
| 08:57.51 | ompaul | no_gravity: go find out how to and where to put the blob to make your software work |
| 08:57.53 | Moccodo | ompaul: So there is no chance to simply delete it from the archives? |
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| 08:58.15 | no_gravity | ompaul: i dont even know what a "blob" is. |
| 08:58.15 | ompaul | Moccodo: heh, firstly you need to get to the list admin |
| 08:58.15 | SynrGy | aguitel: that being said, squeeze is old, and over that two year period is going to be even older ... i can't imagine being a happy desktop user for that long (but then, maybe your needs are very simple, so that won't matter so much?) |
| 08:58.24 | SynrGy | shrugs |
| 08:58.52 | ompaul | Moccodo: second convince them to edit it, then you need to go to google and gmane and the rest of the multi list archivers |
| 08:59.03 | ompaul | Moccodo: at that stage the spammers have your address :) |
| 08:59.32 | ompaul | no_gravity: let me see if I can find you another useful page |
| 09:00.12 | Moccodo | ompaul: Don't they automatically sync it :( I don't care about spam. I just don't want that anybody searching for my real name finds this address and message :/ |
| 09:01.38 | aguitel | SynrG, squeeze works and no need to change to other desktop like gnome3 or xfce |
| 09:01.44 | petern_ | Moccodo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect |
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| 09:03.52 | ompaul | Moccodo: no they cache their results and see what petern_ said |
| 09:04.16 | ompaul | Moccodo: you will become famous if you try more famous than if you don't |
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| 09:07.08 | Moccodo | ompaul, petern_: Thanks for your help. |
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| 09:10.14 | ompaul | no_gravity: it is something as simple as the gensys link to firmware on the site download it, drop it in something to do with sane in your /etc/ I've not had a desktop scanner since 2010 when we installed a lot of scanning photocopiers which work over ethernet |
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| 09:11.12 | no_gravity | ompaul: im confused. what is the "gensys link to firmaware" for the lide 100? |
| 09:11.23 | petern_ | Hmm, might as well bin the old scanner I have here. Not really needed with digital cameras. |
| 09:12.15 | ompaul | no_gravity: you didn't look at the web page I pointed you at or you'd know |
| 09:12.48 | no_gravity | ompaul: i looked at it. there where 2 types of links for each printer. none looked like what you describe. |
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| 09:15.36 | yei5foo9 | Why will Squeeze be an LTS release? It's ancient... |
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| 09:16.01 | DHowett | Alright, running update-initramfs four times to install three packages seems a *little* excessive :P |
| 09:16.08 | DHowett | s/to install/during the installation of/ |
| 09:16.08 | bazhang | LTS? |
| 09:16.21 | bazhang | LTS is an ubuntu concept iirc |
| 09:16.28 | ompaul | no_gravity: I can't find what I want in there - much like you seems my knowledge is more out of date than I knew |
| 09:17.41 | ompaul | no_gravity: so then the only thing for it is the following query into a search engine near you "xsane canon LiDE 100 howto debian linux" and see what one works for you |
| 09:17.54 | ompaul | bazhang: it is extended support |
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| 09:18.17 | ompaul | from usual 1 year after release if they get the support |
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| 09:19.12 | bazhang | ompaul, ok thanks |
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| 09:19.46 | no_gravity | ompaul: im already scanning |
| 09:19.59 | no_gravity | ompaul: via the command line i pasted |
| 09:20.05 | no_gravity | ompaul: also scanning via gimp works |
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| 09:22.29 | petern_ | yei5foo9, because people want it. |
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| 09:23.04 | yei5foo9 | petern_, But it's ancient... Surely it would make more sense to make wheezy an lts? |
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| 09:23.24 | petern_ | Wheezy isn't near end-of-support yet. |
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| 09:27.22 | ompaul | no_gravity: great |
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| 09:36.57 | BackEndCoder | network manager gnome not setting ip (setting route just not assigning the ip to the device (multible cards, eth wlan and usb0 etc. anyone seen this before ? |
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| 09:46.27 | Han | got it, you can improvise with udpkg |
| 09:46.56 | Han | Not recommended for daily use. |
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| 09:48.57 | telmich | good day |
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| 09:49.33 | telmich | I am wondering what is ia good way to debug a debian system that entered a black screen, does not react on ping anymore and does not show anything on a key press? |
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| 09:49.51 | telmich | it seems like frozen, but no indication of a kernel panic or whatsoever |
| 09:50.08 | Han | does the numlock key work? |
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| 09:50.56 | telmich | good question, cannot figure out this one, because I am connected via remote access / the ipmi util |
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| 10:08.40 | boratynskikamil | Hello. Question. |
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| 10:10.17 | sydney_ | hey can someone help me figure out if this icon theme can be installed on wheezy? |
| 10:10.18 | boratynskikamil | Is it enough, in your opinion to do it wtih RAID0 with HDD? |
| 10:10.22 | sydney_ | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Cryo64-Mixed?content=107287 |
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| 10:11.00 | Brigo_ | sydney, i guess yes, why don't? |
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| 10:11.31 | Brigo_ | boratynskikamil, to do what? |
| 10:11.39 | boratynskikamil | An average time for writing in HDDs is 15 MBs. In RAID0 we have 30MB/s. 30*60*60/1024 - we have about 105GBs. |
| 10:12.16 | boratynskikamil | Brigo_: To make it working fluently. :-) |
| 10:12.20 | sydney_ | Brigo_, it brings you to 2shared and downloads an .exe file for a downloader but the icon theme is a tar.bz file? |
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| 10:12.49 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: Define "it". |
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| 10:13.15 | boratynskikamil | petn-randall: Asterisk server. It will write small recordings. About 15 megabytes per file. |
| 10:13.30 | Brigo_ | sydney, i guess there are trying to install a worm in your systems (they supose you are using windows, of course) try another source. |
| 10:13.49 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: How come the HDDs are so slow? |
| 10:13.59 | Brigo_ | boratynskikamil, ant what do you need raid0 for? |
| 10:14.11 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: Assuming they're doing 15MB/s in throughput. |
| 10:14.15 | Brigo_ | s/ant/and |
| 10:14.36 | boratynskikamil | petn-randall: I am not optimistic. :-) |
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| 10:15.13 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: Even an average laptop HDD is closer to 60MB/s in sequential writes. |
| 10:15.17 | boratynskikamil | Brigo_: I have to keep about 2 terrabytes, so I thought to do it with RAID10. |
| 10:15.23 | boratynskikamil | petn-randall: Mine once is not average. :-) |
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| 10:18.18 | Brigo_ | boratynskikamil, i think the best you can do is to testing it. |
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| 10:20.50 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: I don't think that writing speed will be an issue for a single stream. How many concurrent streams are you expecting? |
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| 10:33.35 | boratynskikamil | petn-randall: I expect about 3000 files in an hour. |
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| 10:33.44 | boratynskikamil | Each file is about 15 mebabytes. |
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| 10:41.18 | petn-randall | boratynskikamil: So that will be an average writing speed of 12.5 MB/s. That won't be a problem even with a single disk, and there's still enough room for growth. |
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| 10:59.27 | hotaronohanako | hi guys!! |
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| 11:04.58 | airox | Hi guys. I have two interfaces both doing DHCP. I want one specific interface to ignore the default gateway which is sent by the DHCP server on that side. What would be the best way? I don't want to get things to get static in here... would a post-up thing to default the default gateway be the best? |
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| 11:05.18 | airox | I'm looking for a "prioritise" thingie on default gateway or something |
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| 11:07.13 | SynrG | you could configure one DHCP server to exclude your MAC |
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| 11:08.18 | SynrG | hm. why do you even have the system configured to do DHCP for the other interface, then? |
| 11:08.44 | SynrG | or am I misunderstanding some aspect of this problem? you don't want static, but you don't want dhcp ... |
| 11:08.47 | SynrG | oh, gateway |
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| 11:10.38 | Juslintek | Hi guys how to turn on Debian HugeTLBfs without resetting machine and for all users (global like settings), when your debian is on OpenVZ container. |
| 11:12.22 | SynrG | hmph. and just when i googled http://serverfault.com/questions/29394/debian-interfaces-file-ignore-gateway-and-dns-entries-from-dhcp for airox. oh well. |
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| 11:21.56 | sti_fr | hello all |
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| 11:29.23 | dw1 | z8z: if there are different versions then look at the differences/changes and decide for yourself |
| 11:31.40 | z8z | dw1: i know that but maybe proper question was why debian has a package for that plugin? some security issue? |
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| 11:45.54 | dw1 | z8z: in my experience packages are sometimes a little behind the latest |
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| 12:22.08 | Sbroker | http://imagebin.org/306755 http://imagebin.org/306753 http://imagebin.org/306754 |
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| 12:22.58 | Sbroker | Chrome OS on Windows and Windows running in Debian ? xD |
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| 13:33.26 | Kingsy | my system clock is wrong, the timezone is correct.. how can I fix this? I install ntp but I am not sure what it does, nothing has changed. |
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| 13:39.06 | MrFrood | Kingsy: if you clock is wrong ntp will gradually adjust it to bring it back into sync |
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| 13:49.43 | Kingsy | MrFrood: thanks yeah it seemed to just come back |
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| 14:47.38 | Trieste | Hi, I'm not using debian, but a debian-related distro, and they were unable to help me at the right channels, so I'll ask here - I've got a laptop which definitely has a wi-fi adapter, gnome's network-manager sees it and works with it, but ifconfig nor iwconfig have an interface corresponding to it (no "wlan0") - what to do? |
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| 14:53.36 | ctmjr | Trieste: there are many based on Debian distro's, we cannot help with them as we have no idea what they have done to it. |
| 14:53.57 | blha303 | hey, i'm using xfce at the moment, i've seen some screenshots of it looking really good, but right now i have this http://blha303.biz/fsJL.jpg |
| 14:54.03 | blha303 | and it's kinda ugly |
| 14:54.10 | Trieste | ctmjr: it's Mint, but I think I've already solved this, it's just as "eth1" not as "wlan0", which is kind of strange |
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| 14:55.02 | addaitech | mint is never going to be not ugly |
| 14:55.15 | Trieste | Hey, it's not Ubuntu |
| 14:55.16 | blha303 | it's normal debian, i'm not using mint |
| 14:55.21 | sakang | Trieste if you can't get help from your distro irc, then your prospect here is even worse |
| 14:55.36 | Th34rchitekt | blha303: you can customize it with themes, fonts etc... |
| 14:55.38 | Trieste | sakang: my thinking was that the issue should be fairly distro-independent |
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| 14:55.51 | blha303 | the themes in Settings just changed the color |
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| 15:13.43 | average | hey, what should I use for an NNTP client? I tried sinntp and it worked quite well on a mailing list, but after retrieving some malformed message it choked out with NNTP Error: Line too long. |
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| 15:14.31 | average | what alternatives to sinntp may I try out? I've looked in the package repository for jessie and I wasn't able to find a package with an equivalent functionality |
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| 15:15.31 | average | btw, sinntp is, in short, a non-interactive nntp news retriever. IOW, it just gets the news from the NNTP server and drops them in mbox format on disk |
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| 15:17.11 | Brigo | average, did you try google or apt-cache search nntp ? |
| 15:17.37 | average | Brigo: yes, both(serious) |
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| 15:18.17 | Brigo | i never used nntp, so i can't help you, sorry. |
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| 15:19.02 | average | hm, ok, I'll wait, maybe someone else would like to make another recommendation |
| 15:19.27 | average | FWIW, the closest thing to sinntp in debian was cnews, but it was removed from testing somewhere ~2009 |
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| 15:20.04 | WarriorSl | hey ppl, is there any way through repo to get into gnome 3.12 in debian? |
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| 15:21.04 | aaa | Hello. I am having a bit of problems with dependencies. I recently updated and upgraded and after that apt suggested me to do an autoremove, and now a lot of stuff is gone and I can't install a lot of things through apt |
| 15:21.22 | aaa | What should I do? |
| 15:23.05 | stmiller | aaa: You can try sudo aptitude |
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| 15:24.17 | aaa | But will apt be forever broken for me? |
| 15:25.33 | centrx | aaa, You haven't given enough information to say it's broken now |
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| 15:26.33 | evilegidiux | just read the output before autoremove |
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| 15:27.09 | ompaul | aaa: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:27.31 | ompaul | aaa: if it says remove stuff that is what you must do to get the later versions of the software |
| 15:27.47 | aaa | http://pastebin.com/hDpiG1h8 what should I do? |
| 15:27.58 | aaa | ignore the first six linesa |
| 15:28.01 | aaa | *lines |
| 15:28.54 | ompaul | aaa: apt-get install konversation and get on with it |
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| 15:29.25 | ompaul | aaa: however what I am more interested in is what did you upgrade from to ? |
| 15:29.45 | ompaul | aaa: btw I don't think you are having problems |
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| 15:30.13 | stmiller | Looks like vlc from backports is the issue. I would say remove vlc (temporarily) then try again for konversation. |
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| 15:30.40 | aaa | I can't apt-get install konversation |
| 15:30.50 | ompaul | !tell aaa about bat |
| 15:31.00 | aaa | http://pastebin.com/B886DuAy |
| 15:31.23 | ompaul | aaa: no the bot told you what to do ... please look at it, then post that in the site suggested thanks |
| 15:31.25 | aaa | and manually isntalling those packages doesn't help either |
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| 15:31.50 | ompaul | aaa: read the bat thing from the bot thanks |
| 15:32.38 | aaa | sorry for the silly question but what is the name of the bot? |
| 15:32.50 | ompaul | you got a message from dpkg in your irc client |
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| 15:33.34 | sad_panda | Hey. |
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| 15:33.50 | ompaul | if it was hay it would be for horses |
| 15:34.00 | aaa | oh I see it now |
| 15:34.02 | aaa | thanks |
| 15:34.19 | sad_panda | I'm having trouble configuring my synaptics touchpad; Even if I add just the section to try and configure synaptics, when I startx it hangs and outputs "No screens found" (ish) in Xorg.0.log |
| 15:34.20 | ompaul | aaa: the site it points you at - it doesn't spam the user so please use it |
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| 15:34.44 | sad_panda | I'm not sure why this is happening, since my xorg.conf _only_ mentions synaptics. Do I have to configure all of my hardware in xorg.conf to get my touchpad to right-click? |
| 15:34.58 | sad_panda | I'm on stable using openbox in case it matters. |
| 15:35.57 | sad_panda | Anyone have any idea as to how I can get my synaptics touchpad to work without breaking X? The instructions on the Debian wiki didn't help me. |
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| 15:37.38 | ompaul | sad_panda: just curious, did you have a working X before you tried to make synaptics work? |
| 15:38.25 | sad_panda | ompaul, Yes, but no xorg.conf |
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| 15:38.35 | sad_panda | ompaul, I left the config to X, and as usual it took care of it fine. |
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| 15:38.49 | ompaul | so the thing is X should look after all that if the drivers are in place |
| 15:38.57 | average | hey, quick question. what's a simple, easy to use NNTP news retriever ? |
| 15:38.59 | sad_panda | But my touchpad doesn't have physical buttons, only delimited areas... So without right-click on the touchpad it's really hard to use the laptop at all without an external mouse. |
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| 15:39.09 | sad_panda | ompaul, Yea... That's what I thought, too. |
| 15:39.30 | ompaul | sad_panda: try restarting X without the xorg |
| 15:39.35 | ompaul | now the drivers are there |
| 15:39.38 | sad_panda | Well, that works just fine. |
| 15:39.44 | sad_panda | But, I can't right-click on my touchpad. |
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| 15:40.01 | sad_panda | I never had trouble getting X to start unless there was an xorg.conf present, then it will refuse. |
| 15:40.07 | ompaul | sad_panda: also consider installing a full desktop environment to get the settings right then go back to openbox |
| 15:40.19 | sad_panda | ompaul, I came from XFCE4, which didn't fare any better. |
| 15:40.28 | ompaul | sad_panda: model of box? |
| 15:40.31 | sad_panda | ompaul, Nor even KDE4, which in its settings claimed to have enabled it, yet... was "lying" |
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| 15:40.44 | sad_panda | ASUS X74v |
| 15:40.53 | sad_panda | *75 |
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| 15:41.41 | sad_panda | The issue _could_ be that synaptics doesn't know how to delimit the touchpad... As I mentioned, there's no physical right-click button, just a drawn line on the touchpad to indicate where to right-click. |
| 15:42.36 | ompaul | sad_panda: the right click should be near the front and it should "know that" |
| 15:42.51 | sad_panda | Hmm, fair enough. |
| 15:42.53 | ompaul | sad_panda: i have to drive to shops back shortly |
| 15:43.16 | sad_panda | Should probably mention that it appears this doesn't have multitouch at all, as if I touch the touchpad, I can't move the pointer (I.e. no dragging or selecting of text) |
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| 15:44.38 | aaa | ompaul: I did what dpkg told me http://pastebin.com/nqbMjwYe here |
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| 15:44.59 | sad_panda | aaa, He said he left, may not be around anymore. |
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| 15:45.20 | aaa | Oh |
| 15:45.21 | sad_panda | aaa, What's the issue, though? Are you mixing stable/unstable or something? |
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| 15:45.29 | aaa | I dont think so |
| 15:45.35 | aaa | only wheezy and backports |
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| 15:45.50 | sad_panda | aaa, try apt-get update and apt-get -f install? |
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| 15:46.17 | sad_panda | Uhm, or however you run that "fixer" command, I think it's -f install but if it complains then google it. |
| 15:46.51 | aaa | even after that it doesn't work |
| 15:47.04 | sad_panda | aaa, Gives the exact same error? |
| 15:47.24 | sad_panda | aaa, Are you getting KDE from backports? Because it seems to be like you're getting software from somewhere more recent than your main repo |
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| 15:48.56 | aaa | maybe |
| 15:49.06 | aaa | I also have backports on my repos |
| 15:49.14 | yeyknin | where can I find the upstream changelog of schroot? |
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| 15:50.46 | aaa | should I change my repos to no backports? |
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| 15:51.40 | sad_panda | aaa, If you do that and you already have things from backport it'll break epically. |
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| 15:51.56 | sad_panda | aaa, The thing is... It's likely it's not your fault, that backports introduced a package with a dependency you don't have. |
| 15:52.17 | sad_panda | aaa, Maybe try doing update, upgrade and dist-upgrade first, though, then try -f install again, maybe you'll get it working. |
| 15:52.21 | sad_panda | aaa, But that's the risk of backports. |
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| 15:53.51 | aaa | I did those and I still have trouble |
| 15:54.12 | aaa | should I remove backports from my repos and update again: |
| 15:54.15 | aaa | ? |
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| 15:55.58 | sad_panda | aaa, If you do that, you risk breaking things more. |
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| 15:56.08 | sad_panda | aaa, You may have painted yourself into a corner. I don't know a way to just "fix" this. |
| 15:56.21 | aaa | :( |
| 15:56.22 | sad_panda | aaa, You CAN do that, but ONLY if you first uninstall every package from packports. |
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| 15:56.38 | sad_panda | I don't know how to see which repo you got a package from. Find that out, remove them all, remove it, apt-get update and install them again. |
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| 15:56.43 | sad_panda | That should be safe enough... |
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| 15:58.03 | aaa | apt-cache policy |
| 15:58.13 | aaa | should I check every package |
| 15:58.20 | aaa | but I have like 2000 |
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| 15:59.13 | sad_panda | aaa, If you don't you risk breaking things for good. |
| 15:59.25 | sad_panda | aaa, I'm not an expert on this. What I've told you already is the best/only answer you could get from me. |
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| 15:59.53 | sad_panda | aaa, Use grep though? |
| 16:00.30 | aaa | for installing? |
| 16:00.36 | aaa | oh |
| 16:00.39 | aaa | for searching |
| 16:00.41 | aaa | how? |
| 16:00.46 | sad_panda | aaa, By... using grep? |
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| 16:00.56 | sad_panda | aaa, Man grep if you've never used it before. Or google. |
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| 16:01.18 | sad_panda | aaa, Does apt-cache policy show you the list or only for each package? |
| 16:01.30 | aaa | only for each package |
| 16:01.41 | ompaul | aaa: I went to the shops but your attention to detail is noted, you did not use the site it said the one without the spam |
| 16:01.44 | sad_panda | aaa, Then you'll have to make a script yourself or you're basically fucked. |
| 16:02.03 | aaa | ? |
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| 16:02.11 | sad_panda | ?? |
| 16:02.20 | aaa | Pastebin is "spam"? |
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| 16:02.45 | ompaul | aaa: and "apt-cache policy" |
| 16:03.12 | ompaul | aaa: http://paste.debian.net doesn't have spam or capchas or however they are spelt |
| 16:03.22 | ompaul | captchas i think |
| 16:03.39 | ompaul | aaa: I want apt-cache policy |
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| 16:03.49 | ompaul | in full and what not |
| 16:04.02 | aaa | oh sure one sec |
| 16:04.20 | ompaul | aaa: I did say your attention to detail it was part of the request ;-) |
| 16:04.35 | aaa | http://paste.debian.net/94883/ |
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| 16:06.24 | ompaul | aaa: ok, you have backports in there - any idea how many packages you pulled from that? |
| 16:07.39 | aaa | I am not sure. I did a big update I think I installed LOTS of packages |
| 16:07.43 | aaa | but I might be wrong |
| 16:08.19 | aaa | but for some reason things I didn't even have in the first place such as VLC got installed |
| 16:08.41 | ompaul | aaa: you pulled in something that depended on it |
| 16:08.54 | ompaul | aaa: you may have caused yourself a lot of grief |
| 16:09.50 | aaa | :( |
| 16:09.59 | ompaul | aaa: hard questions in quick succession short answers only please |
| 16:10.06 | ompaul | aaa: how long are you using debian |
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| 16:10.19 | ompaul | waits |
| 16:10.24 | aaa | 8 months |
| 16:10.26 | aaa | aprox |
| 16:10.27 | ompaul | ok |
| 16:10.36 | ompaul | here's the thing |
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| 16:10.44 | ompaul | while downgrades are not a thing |
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| 16:11.08 | ompaul | you could purge the packages you think are causing you problems |
| 16:11.17 | ompaul | what does apt-cache vlc say to you |
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| 16:11.25 | ompaul | what does apt-cache policy vlc say to you |
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| 16:12.15 | ompaul | if you purge the packages you think are causing problems they may have overwritten the config files with newer configs causing you all sorts of problems |
| 16:12.15 | aaa | http://paste.debian.net/94885/ |
| 16:12.31 | ompaul | I have an idea but I don't think it is the best I idea I ever had |
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| 16:12.46 | verodeb | hi |
| 16:12.48 | verodeb | if i add a line to the sshd_config --> AllowUsers someuser@90.120.87.4, does this guarantees "someuser" to access ONLY BY 90.120.87.4 and NOT from another ip?? |
| 16:13.25 | ompaul | aaa: so that came in from backports |
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| 16:13.38 | ompaul | if you do apt-get remove --purge vlc what do you get offered (not aptitiude) |
| 16:14.28 | aaa | http://paste.debian.net/94887/ |
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| 16:15.04 | ompaul | aaa: it is clashing with your konversation but I don't know if that will fix your problem, seems like a low price to pay to check |
| 16:15.40 | ompaul | aaa: however I think you need to be aware of some things, for intance you may roll across these problems time and again during the live of your wheezy install |
| 16:16.00 | ompaul | aaa: is your machine partitioned with a seperate home? |
| 16:16.29 | aaa | no |
| 16:16.33 | aaa | I think not |
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| 16:17.37 | lmat | I'm copying a file to an 8 GB flash frive. |
| 16:17.48 | cnz | how do you do a checksum by command line? |
| 16:17.57 | lmat | The file is the 2nd debian 7.4 DVD. The error I get is |
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| 16:18.14 | lmat | 'failed to extend ./....iso: File too large' |
| 16:18.27 | ompaul | verodeb: more or less this is it again so you can see it clearly http://yurisk.info/2011/04/05/two-tips-to-secure-ssh-access-from-specific-ips-to-specific-users-in-checkpoint-or-any-linux/ |
| 16:18.37 | ompaul | aaa: have you a backup of your data |
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| 16:18.49 | aaa | nope |
| 16:18.57 | ompaul | backup your data |
| 16:19.01 | lmat | The file got up to 4294 mb (the total size is some 46.. mb). I also tried to gzip it to the flash drive, but gzip complained, too. |
| 16:19.02 | ompaul | just do it |
| 16:19.20 | aaa | but I have like 1TB of data... I don't have any hard drive that big right now |
| 16:19.22 | yeyknin | cnz: md5sum for fast and sha256 for secure checksums |
| 16:19.23 | aaa | not even close |
| 16:19.27 | lmat | I think the flash drive is FAT32, oh... |
| 16:19.33 | lmat | oh goodness.. |
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| 16:19.47 | ompaul | aaa: you can remove that file and hope it lets you progress, get a disk and sort out your backups |
| 16:20.03 | lmat | "2^32" | bc shows 4294967296. The file size is 4294967295. I think I know the problem :( |
| 16:20.04 | ompaul | it is essential if you think of running any computer to have backups |
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| 16:20.51 | lmat | I'll look up how to split files :) |
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| 16:21.28 | aaa | yeah, I know it's my fault for not having a backup... but right now I could only backup like 1/10 of my data |
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| 16:21.47 | ompaul | aaa: so fix that problem before you progress :) |
| 16:22.27 | aaa | what are we doing that is so risky? |
| 16:22.47 | ompaul | aaa: running a computer without backups |
| 16:22.49 | cnz | yeyknin, I mean I need to check my hard drivees for errors |
| 16:22.57 | cnz | for some reason one of my drives will not copy to another drive |
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| 16:23.05 | cnz | it won't go faster than 30KB |
| 16:23.18 | ompaul | aaa: when you are adding and removing programs if something goes badly wrong you are not free to do a clean install |
| 16:23.45 | aaa | :/ |
| 16:24.00 | aaa | There is no other way to do it? |
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| 16:24.23 | ompaul | aaa: well apt-get remove --purge vlc and see if you can install konversation that is the starting point |
| 16:24.56 | babilen | "apt-get purge vlc" is the same thing and less typing :) |
| 16:25.08 | yeyknin | cnz: ah, you don't want to checksum, you need a filesystem check? Try fsck |
| 16:25.10 | ompaul | babilen: true |
| 16:25.11 | aaa | nope, still can't install kon |
| 16:25.36 | yeyknin | ompaul: is the command you have written different from "apt-get purge vlc"? |
| 16:25.38 | ompaul | aaa: well before you start open heart surgery on your machine get a backup done |
| 16:26.06 | yeyknin | ompaul: I mean the effect, the command, of course, is different |
| 16:26.11 | ompaul | yeyknin: yes it is not quite as old as I am and takes more letters, the end result is the same |
| 16:26.22 | yeyknin | :) |
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| 16:26.53 | aaa | ompaul: do you think that removing backports from my /etc/apt/list.conf and updating will help? |
| 16:27.09 | ompaul | most certainly not, because |
| 16:27.18 | wols | removing repos from sources.list doesn't do anything for the stuff you already have installed |
| 16:27.31 | aaa | :/ |
| 16:27.32 | ompaul | you need your system to identify them if you are removing them later and it is nice to see where they came from |
| 16:28.11 | aaa | how could have I done this to myself simply by adding backports? I thought backports were safe... |
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| 16:29.45 | oskie | is it possible to set up a Raspberry Pi with an USB wireless NIC as an access point? I tried to set up an ad-hoc net using a USB wifi nic, but there was much more jitter than my regular D-Link AP |
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| 16:30.04 | oskie | jitter and delay |
| 16:30.09 | wols | oskie: yes it is via hostapd |
| 16:30.27 | wols | you might still have poor performance of course |
| 16:30.56 | aaa | ompaul: is it possible that this will get fixed if I wait for an update? |
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| 16:32.41 | cnz | yeyknin, that's not working |
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| 16:32.49 | cnz | all it does is this |
| 16:32.50 | cnz | root@fileserver:/mnt# fsck.nfs /dev/sdd1 |
| 16:32.50 | cnz | /dev/sdd1: NFS file system. |
| 16:32.50 | cnz | root@fileserver:/mnt# |
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| 16:33.26 | wols | fsck for nfs? really? |
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| 16:33.48 | ompaul | aaa: you can do this apt-show-versions | grep backport |
| 16:34.00 | ompaul | aaa: and go though the mess and try to fix it |
| 16:34.24 | ompaul | aaa: frankly if there are more then 20 in there I'd be inclined to be very very careful about it |
| 16:34.29 | wols | cnz: to check your hdd for hardware errors you use smartctl. a bad filesystem won't slow down writes |
| 16:34.32 | wols | or reads |
| 16:34.37 | oskie | wols: hostapd! yes, that was what I was using. but it was magnitudes slower than an old d-link AP in terms of ping RTT |
| 16:34.56 | wols | oskie: worked for me when I used it |
| 16:35.02 | aaa | apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 16:35.11 | cnz | wols, what packages does that command come with |
| 16:35.24 | wols | smartmon-tools |
| 16:35.35 | oskie | wols: I'll give it another shot... |
| 16:35.39 | ompaul | aaa: can you install it? |
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| 16:35.59 | cnz | E: Unable to locate package smartmon-tools |
| 16:36.00 | wols | oskie: I suggest a backports kernel for it. |
| 16:36.25 | aaa | aparently yes |
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| 16:36.59 | aaa | but it's doing something weird like "initializing cache: this make take a while" |
| 16:37.07 | cnz | wols you gave the wrong packae name |
| 16:37.09 | ompaul | that's not weird |
| 16:37.21 | aaa | nevermind |
| 16:37.23 | aaa | finished |
| 16:37.34 | aaa | the output to that command you said is very long |
| 16:38.03 | ompaul | aaa: with the | grep back |
| 16:38.26 | aaa | yes that one |
| 16:38.42 | ompaul | aaa: do you want to remove all of those packages one at a time |
| 16:38.59 | ompaul | test you still have a working machine and move on |
| 16:39.24 | ompaul | or do you want to do something a lot more radical with an equally high risk - cos you have not done a backups |
| 16:39.38 | aaa | well... this is the output |
| 16:39.42 | ompaul | aaa: the choice is yours |
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| 16:39.56 | aaa | there are stuff that looks like it shouldn't be uninstalled http://paste.debian.net/94892/ |
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| 16:40.36 | aaa | if there is stuff that can be uninstalled then fine I'll do it otherwise |
| 16:40.39 | aaa | not sure |
| 16:40.44 | cnz | wtf does this mean |
| 16:40.45 | cnz | 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 045 038 045 Old_age Always FAILING_NOW 55 (5 103 58 45) |
| 16:40.53 | aaa | I'm not super-tech-savvy |
| 16:40.54 | ompaul | well both are high risk |
| 16:41.09 | ompaul | aaa: I'm telling you now to get your data backed up |
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| 16:41.42 | ompaul | aaa: it would be irresponsible of me or anyone else to encourage you to do much more I will point you at the other parts of vlc in there |
| 16:41.52 | aaa | so there is no way that this will get fixed next update or something? |
| 16:42.01 | ompaul | aaa: no you have mixed things |
| 16:42.11 | ompaul | aaa: there are possible paths |
| 16:42.11 | aaa | can't I individually download .deb files or something? |
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| 16:42.57 | ompaul | aaa: let me give you a clue you are almost at this point >>>> /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 16:43.13 | dfgdfdgdfgfgf | hello! sorry I speak a little english. terminal command need UDF DVD disk info. I would like know burn date this DVD. |
| 16:43.14 | ompaul | aaa: there is in theory no route back |
| 16:43.15 | babilen | aaa: What is your current situation? The paste at http://paste.debian.net/94892/ doesn't look problematic at all |
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| 16:44.17 | babilen | aaa: I mean it is a bit more than I would have installed from wheezy-backports, but if you are not experiencing any problems apart from that that shouldn't be an issue. |
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| 16:45.51 | aaa | well there is stuff I can't installed |
| 16:45.56 | aaa | or that has been removed |
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| 16:46.25 | aaa | babilen: removing and updating those packages will help |
| 16:46.29 | aaa | ? |
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| 16:46.48 | aaa | Oh by the way I forgot to mention |
| 16:47.11 | aaa | I also have "suggested updates" in the repos. Is that bad too? |
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| 16:49.07 | ompaul | aaa: there is a side channel conversation here there are a couple of people looking at it - not as negative as me :) lets see |
| 16:49.11 | babilen | aaa: Would you mind pasting the output of the following commands after an "apt-get update" run? "aptitude search '~U'", "apt-get dist-upgrade", "aptitude install konversation" ? (don't perform the actions yet, just show the suggestions) |
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| 16:51.04 | aaa | sure |
| 16:51.06 | aaa | sec |
| 16:51.14 | babilen | aaa: Please also show me the output of "apt-cache policy", your sources.list and any apt configuration file you might have. (all on http://paste.debian.net please) |
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| 16:54.56 | aaa | http://paste.debian.net/94902/ babilen |
| 16:55.01 | aaa | and soon the second part |
| 16:56.14 | babilen | judd: why konversation vlc-data |
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| 16:56.26 | judd | Packages konversation and vlc-data in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: konversation â–¶ kdebase-runtime â–¶ kde-runtime â–¶ phonon â–¶ phonon-backend-vlc â–¶ libvlc5 â–¶ libvlccore5 â–¶ vlc-data |
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| 16:56.48 | babilen | (and somebody said Gnome is bad) |
| 16:57.13 | aaa | So maybe it's fine if I never use anything KDE ever again? |
| 16:57.56 | babilen | aaa: Looks as if vlc-data from wheezy-backports and konversation (or rather all those KDE packages) are not co-installable. Do you use KDE? |
| 16:58.11 | aaa | I use openbox |
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| 16:59.21 | aaa | second part |
| 16:59.24 | aaa | http://paste.debian.net/94906/ |
| 16:59.44 | babilen | aaa: You have essentially two options: Purge vlc and vlc-data and install the version from wheezy along with konversation or keep vlc from wheezy-backports and forget about konversation (and any other KDE program that pulls in kdebase-runtime, phonon, phonon-backend-vlc, ...) |
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| 17:00.22 | babilen | aaa: Hmm, did you pin anything? |
| 17:00.53 | aaa | pin? |
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| 17:01.52 | aaa | well I think I'm just going to remove vlc and vlc-data |
| 17:01.55 | babilen | aaa: Did you create a /etc/apt/preferences file ? I would also *strongly* suggest to never uncomment those testing, unstable and experimental lines. In fact I would remove them right now. |
| 17:02.11 | aaa | okay |
| 17:02.22 | aaa | and yes, I do have preferences |
| 17:02.24 | aaa | file |
| 17:02.30 | babilen | aaa: Could you paste that? |
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| 17:02.59 | babilen | I think I asked for that before, but you seem to have forgotten about it |
| 17:03.05 | aaa | Package: * |
| 17:03.06 | aaa | Pin: release a=wheezy-backports |
| 17:03.06 | aaa | Pin-Priority: 500 |
| 17:03.11 | aaa | oh |
| 17:03.18 | aaa | I see the problem now |
| 17:03.32 | aaa | so it was all my fault.. |
| 17:03.33 | babilen | aaa: Why do you pin wheezy-backports like that? |
| 17:04.16 | aaa | because I was trying to get VAAPI to work on MPV and someone said to get some programs from backports since they are more updated and all |
| 17:04.21 | aaa | so should I remove this file? |
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| 17:05.04 | babilen | aaa: I wouldn't advise installing everything that is available in wheezy-backports by default. Backports are meant to be used sparingly and only if needed and the combination of all backports packages with each other and packages from wheezy is not nearly as well tested as the packages in wheezy. |
| 17:05.25 | aaa | well I have indeed learned my lesson |
| 17:05.41 | aaa | I guess I'm the kind that learns the hard way |
| 17:05.43 | aaa | Anyway |
| 17:05.55 | babilen | aaa: Well, you have installed *a lot* from wheezy-backports (more than I would personally consider healthy). I would definitely remove that preferences file immediately and keep in mind that "whenever I think pinning is a good idea: it isn't" |
| 17:06.30 | aaa | I also have a preferences directory |
| 17:06.33 | aaa | what shall I do |
| 17:06.46 | aaa | (it's empty) |
| 17:06.53 | babilen | aaa: There is nothing inherently wrong with mixing backports and wheezy and there is no clear cut rule that says: "you can only install 20 packages from backports", but the more packages you pull in from there the more you venture into untested-land. |
| 17:08.18 | babilen | aaa: Just leave that as it is. The .d directories have been introduced in Debian so that you can split configuration files in multiple semtically independent files. You could have, for example, created a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wheezy-backports.list for wheezy-backports or a similar file for the pinning in the preferences.d |
| 17:09.12 | aaa | So should I delete vlc data and all? |
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| 17:10.19 | yeyknin | babilen: does semtically mean semantically? |
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| 17:11.43 | ompaul | why is testing in the sources? |
| 17:11.49 | ompaul | was it ever used since wheezy |
| 17:12.01 | aaa | no |
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| 17:12.27 | babilen | yeyknin: It should indeed |
| 17:12.57 | aaa | Anyways, now that the source of the problem has been found, any way to do some damage control? |
| 17:13.19 | babilen | aaa: It is up to you, I couldn't care less about KDE or konversation, but if you want to use that installing the wheezy version of vlc and vlc-data is the way to go |
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| 17:13.39 | babilen | aaa: You removed everything I asked you to remove? |
| 17:13.45 | aaa | If I want the wheezy version of vlc-data, should I remove backports from my repos? |
| 17:13.51 | ompaul | no |
| 17:14.13 | ompaul | have you removed the current backported version |
| 17:14.30 | babilen | aaa: No, you just have to remove your insane pinning and packages will not be installed from wheezy-backports by default, but only if you explicitly request it with, say, "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install FOO" |
| 17:14.53 | babilen | aaa: And then purge vlc and vlc-data and install vlc again |
| 17:15.14 | aaa | sure thing buddy |
| 17:15.16 | babilen | aaa: You might have to run a "apt-get --purge autoremove" in the interim. |
| 17:15.24 | ompaul | aaa: if I was you I'd be on my way to the shops to buy a drive to allow you break / fix it with extreme prejudice and no worries |
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| 17:15.55 | aaa | I will buy a backup harddrive in the near future |
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| 17:17.05 | aaa | alright, everything seems to be working just fine! |
| 17:17.15 | aaa | thanks a lot everyone, you have saved me! |
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| 17:17.39 | aaa | I don't know how to return the favor (I don't own any cryptocurrency money) |
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| 17:19.42 | sad_panda | Hey. When I start up, Network Manager has "Enable wireless" unchecked by default. As right-click doesn't work on my laptop, this is a major hassle (Although I don't really _need_ right click many other places - Shift + F10). |
| 17:19.53 | sad_panda | I found this command on an OpenSUSE forum, which seems to fix the issue in a sensible way |
| 17:20.07 | sad_panda | Did DPKG show that here, BTW? I pasted the command to him. |
| 17:21.50 | sad_panda | Anyway, I found this command: http://pastie.org/9098019 |
| 17:22.04 | sad_panda | And it seems to be exactly what I'd want, but it doesn't work (I got it from a Linux Mint forum). |
| 17:22.06 | aaa | bye guys thanks for everything |
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| 17:22.14 | sad_panda | I imagine I can tweak it easily to make it work on this system, but I'm not sure how. Any pointers? |
| 17:23.21 | petn-randall | sad_panda: It looks sensible, but then again I'm not fluent in dbus. Why is it that your right click doesn't work? You'll probably run into a lot more problems otherwise. |
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| 17:24.03 | sad_panda | petn-randall, Synaptics, I assume. I don't know why exactly, but any attempts to create an xorg.conf that configures synaptics leads X to refuse to start with "No screens found" |
| 17:24.27 | sad_panda | So I'm hoping to just... ignore than and move on with my lift, Shift + F10 works for everything BUT right-clicking the notification area icons... |
| 17:24.58 | petn-randall | sad_panda: Sounds like it's a better idea to fix your right click instead of finding a work-around in every app you're using. |
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| 17:25.22 | sad_panda | I wish I knew how. |
| 17:26.09 | sad_panda | And I only need this for _one_ app, honestly. |
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| 17:27.48 | amin | I installed jessie with DVD-1 installation media, is the default desktop environment supposed to be xfce? can one choose gnome to be installed in the installation process instead? |
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| 17:29.32 | mtn | amin: should be able to in the advanced menu (maybe it is called expert mode) |
| 17:30.55 | blha303 | my path doesn't work properly. echo $PATH produces /home/blha303/bin;/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games, but i've checked and /home/blha303/bin and /usr/local/* don't work |
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| 17:31.48 | petn-randall | blha303: What did you try to do? |
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| 17:32.17 | blha303 | it works from root, but not from my own user |
| 17:32.33 | blha303 | pip, for instance |
| 17:32.45 | blha303 | pip is in /usr/local/bin, it works from root, but not from my own user |
| 17:33.15 | petn-randall | blha303: Is it readable and executable for your user? |
| 17:33.41 | blha303 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 204 Apr 20 14:13 pip |
| 17:33.45 | nezZario | So when is debian switching to systemd? |
| 17:35.21 | mtn | nezZario: whenever they do ;) |
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| 17:35.47 | nell | I installed debian using guided partition with encryption on the whole disk |
| 17:35.53 | nell | but now im out of room on my root partition |
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| 17:36.20 | nell | I used LVM |
| 17:36.27 | nezZario | mtn: I thought it was planned? |
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| 17:36.36 | nell | and tried to resize but it didn't work |
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| 17:37.01 | nezZario | nell: not 100% sure, but I think you'll need to resize the container? are you doing that |
| 17:37.08 | mtn | nezZario: it is supposed to be the default on the next release, but who knows? |
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| 17:37.37 | nell | yeah |
| 17:37.41 | nell | ima backup first in case |
| 17:38.06 | nezZario | I guess i'll have to figure out how to opt-out by then |
| 17:38.25 | mtn | nezZario: the old style should still be an option, so I hear |
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| 17:39.10 | yei5foo9 | Why is aircrack-ng not in the main repo? |
| 17:39.20 | nezZario | because you haven't added it yet |
| 17:40.17 | SynrG | !aircrack-ng |
| 17:40.17 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release (bug #682005), but is available via <wheezy-backports>. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku?id=faq http://aircrack-ng.org/ #aircack-ng on irc.freenode.net. See also <pyrit>, <weplab>. |
| 17:40.41 | SynrG | ,bug #682005 |
| 17:40.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/682005 in release.debian.org (closed): «unblock: aircrack-ng/1:1.1-4»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-07-18; last modified: 2012-08-18. |
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| 17:41.45 | yei5foo9 | I see, so if I want to use it I need to install it via backports. |
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| 17:46.38 | yei5foo9 | How can I upgrade specific packages while leaving others unupgraded? |
| 17:46.50 | yei5foo9 | sudo apt-get upgrade <package names> ? |
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| 17:47.48 | centrx | yei5foo9, right |
| 17:48.15 | yei5foo9 | turns out its actuall install, not upgrade, but nvm |
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| 17:49.12 | boblee | my phone carrier speed if faster :p |
| 17:49.24 | petn-randall | blha303: Looks ok, can you run it with full path as that user? |
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| 17:49.39 | julius_ | hi |
| 17:50.02 | julius_ | whats the new "/etc/init.d/networking restart" command? that one is deprecated |
| 17:50.27 | boblee | telinit 6 |
| 17:50.28 | blha303 | petn-randall: yes |
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| 17:50.53 | julius_ | boblee, a reboot? |
| 17:51.14 | petn-randall | julius_: How is it deprecated? |
| 17:51.25 | julius_ | it says so on wheezy |
| 17:51.26 | nezZario | pretty sure it says its deprecated when you run it |
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| 17:51.39 | nezZario | i think you're suppose to use ifdown and ifup instead .. maybe |
| 17:51.52 | yei5foo9 | You should be using ip, not ifup/ifdown iirc |
| 17:51.56 | julius_ | for each interface? |
| 17:52.15 | petn-randall | yei5foo9: Please don't spread any rumours. |
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| 17:53.00 | petn-randall | julius_: If you need to take interfaces up or down, use ifup/ifdown. |
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| 17:53.26 | nezZario | fwiw i'm pretty sure it still "works" on wheezy.. |
| 17:53.48 | gsb | julius_: service networking restart |
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| 17:54.21 | petn-randall | Running "force-reload|restart" is deprecated, that's all. |
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| 17:55.38 | petn-randall | julius_: Let's ask the other way around: What are you trying to achieve? We might have a better answer for that :) |
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| 17:59.23 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.04 | nezZario | I've never installed using the normal cd/dvd's |
| 18:01.17 | nezZario | Do I only need DVD1 to get a base system? |
| 18:01.24 | julius_ | petn-randall, i added a network interface in /etc/networking/interfaces and wanted to activate it. since im sitting in front of the pc i tried: /etc/init.d/networking restart. but it didnt setup the dhcp intergface that was working before..just my static one |
| 18:01.33 | mtn | nezZario: yes |
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| 18:01.43 | nezZario | dvd2 and 3 are just pkgs? |
| 18:01.55 | mtn | nezZario: yes, more software |
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| 18:02.34 | nezZario | same for the CDs right? I don't have normal net access at home right now, so first time using them :) |
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| 18:02.58 | mtn | nezZario: think so |
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| 18:06.54 | babilen | nezZario: You can install the most basic system from a netinstall CD and one with a DE from the respective CD1 -- In either way the installer can download everything it needs during the installation if you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
| 18:06.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell nezZario -about install debian |
| 18:07.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell nezZario -about various cd1 |
| 18:07.26 | babilen | nezZario: DVD1 is certainly all you need :) |
| 18:07.40 | babilen | (modulo firmware -- /msg dpkg installer firmware) |
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| 18:08.46 | zophy_ | what are the wget options to never go up a level and never go to another site ? |
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| 18:09.54 | zophy_ | wow, there's a #wget |
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| 18:11.23 | srruby | Can anyone recommend a method to install oracle's java7 sdk on wheezy? |
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| 18:13.56 | srruby | I just installed wheezy. How do I tell if I installed 32 or 64 bit ? uname -a => Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:14.10 | nezZario | thats x86 |
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| 18:14.14 | nezZario | 686-pae |
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| 18:14.38 | mtn | srruby: you have 32bit |
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| 18:14.56 | nezZario | 64bit will say x86_64 instead of 686-pae |
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| 18:15.03 | babilen | srruby: You might want to consider reinstalling amd64 if your processor supports it |
| 18:15.10 | babilen | nezZario: No, it would say "amd64" |
| 18:15.11 | nezZario | sorry amd64 rather, |
| 18:15.19 | nezZario | wrong marker ;) |
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| 18:16.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell nezZario -about install java |
| 18:16.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell nezZario -about java-package |
| 18:16.40 | longjohn | just upgraded squeeze-->wheezy. Minor problem with samba: kept smb.conf. sharing is as before, but "net use h: /home" on client ceased to work. share is there and files can be accesses by \\server\user, but the home-directory does not get assigned anymore with 'net use h: /home" on win 7 |
| 18:17.08 | babilen | nezZario: I would also recommend to give OpenJDK a try. It is the official reference implementation after all. If that doesn't work look into java-package |
| 18:17.14 | srruby | Why do they call it amd64 ??? I've got an intel system. AARGH |
| 18:17.21 | jelly-home | nezZario: not necessarily, though; "dpkg --print-architecture" is a more correct way to find out |
| 18:17.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell srruby about why amd64 |
| 18:17.38 | babilen | srruby: Same reason i386 has the "i" and not an "a" ;) |
| 18:18.30 | srruby | ok. I just wasted a few hours cause I didn't install amd64 |
| 18:18.42 | jelly-home | "they invented it fürst" |
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| 18:19.06 | jelly-home | still uses i386 on desktop and is not missing anything |
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| 18:21.26 | nezZario | why are you telling me about java? |
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| 18:22.14 | babilen | nezZario: Yeah, that should have been for srruby :) |
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| 18:23.10 | nezZario | Oh ok, that makes more sense |
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| 18:30.27 | lmat | I got it to work :) |
| 18:30.44 | lmat | I used split -b 1G -d ~/stuff/tor/debian-7.4.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso /mnt/flash/debdvd2.iso |
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| 18:43.40 | xatnysyntax | I'm looking to downgrade openswan. However, whenever I do 'apt-cache showpkg openswan', or any package, I only see the latest version as available. No matter what package I select, only one available version is shown. Any ideas on how to downgrade to previous versions? Thanks. |
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| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | xatnysyntax: you'll have to get those previous versions from a repo somewhere |
| 18:45.14 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell xatnysyntax about snapshots |
| 18:46.43 | xatnysyntax | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:48.30 | xatnysyntax | jelly-home: I thought there was a way to downgrade using the dpkg database, as shown here: http://bit.ly/1rfTsZ0. i.e. 'apt-get install openswan=1:2.6.37-3' |
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| 18:49.37 | xatnysyntax | That command, obviously, doesn't work on my system as openswan | 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 is the only version available. |
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| 18:55.04 | jelly-home | xatnysyntax: it is, as long as you have a repo with that specific version enabled |
| 18:55.07 | jelly-home | (see snaphot.debian.org usage instructions) |
| 18:55.07 | jelly-home | ,v openswan |
| 18:55.07 | jelly-home | judd: ping |
| 18:55.07 | judd | pong |
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| 18:55.07 | judd | Package: openswan on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.6.28+dfsg-5+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:2.6.28+dfsg-5+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1; sid: 1:2.6.38-1 |
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| 18:58.34 | jelly-home | xatnysyntax: in any case, if "apt-cache policy openswan" does not show that exact version as available, you won't be able to install it that way |
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| 19:00.44 | xatnysyntax | jelly-home: Makes sense. Thanks. |
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| 19:07.32 | MrJK | hello |
| 19:07.50 | MrJK | How can I create a device in /dev/ ? |
| 19:08.33 | MrJK | for example, I'd like to create /dev/vda (it would be linked to another block device, such as an LVM partition) |
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| 19:09.16 | frostschutz | MrJK, whatever for? |
| 19:09.44 | lmat | MrJK: like link -s /dev/otherblockdevice /dev/vda ? |
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| 19:09.50 | lmat | oops, s/link/ln/ |
| 19:10.17 | frostschutz | MrJK, you can create links with ln, and devices with mknod, but you normally never want /dev/vda to be a link to a LV. that kind of thing just invites trouble |
| 19:10.47 | OpenTokix | MrJK: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:10.59 | MrJK | hard link, I didn't tried yet \o/ |
| 19:11.01 | MrJK | huu |
| 19:11.13 | botto | ping admin |
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| 19:11.59 | MrJK | Actually, I'm trying to create KVM images. In way to do that, I mount my partitions, I install everything with debootstrap and then in chroot inside |
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| 19:12.29 | MrJK | everything fine, but I've a lot of troubles to install and configure correctly grub2 from inside my chroot |
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| 19:12.57 | OpenTokix | MrJK: ok, and how does lvm come in to play here? |
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| 19:13.22 | MrJK | (my chroot still sees host lvm partitions) |
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| 19:15.48 | MrJK | OpenTokix, my VMs are fully LVMised |
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| 19:16.15 | ompaul | boblee: ask the channel |
| 19:16.18 | OpenTokix | MrJK: and your chroot is a mounted lv? |
| 19:16.21 | ompaul | woops |
| 19:16.28 | ompaul | and they left |
| 19:16.37 | ompaul | boblee: sorry about that bad tab |
| 19:17.00 | MrJK | OpenTokix, yep |
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| 19:18.01 | OpenTokix | MrJK: hmm, Havent tried that particular setup myself |
| 19:18.22 | MrJK | OpenTokix, I make a "screenshot" |
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| 19:19.39 | lroe | how do I figure out who is the package maintainer for the mozilla packages packaed thorugh mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:19.40 | MrJK | OpenTokix, http://paste.debian.net/94938/ |
| 19:20.25 | MrJK | system-testlvm => Is my model, installed via vnc, system-vm_test03 => it is what I 've done with my deployemnt script |
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| 19:21.14 | OpenTokix | MrJK: I understand, and it will not boot? - grub wont install, or just not boot it? |
| 19:21.20 | MrJK | this lsblk is taken from inside my chroot |
| 19:21.37 | MrJK | grub don't wan't to install properly |
| 19:22.00 | MrJK | (many errors I'had during the afternoon) ... now I'm trying new approch, by simulting dev |
| 19:22.10 | MrJK | But I can try another grub install |
| 19:22.28 | OpenTokix | MrJK: I use preseeded install for my lv-based vm's |
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| 19:24.25 | MrJK | OpenTokix, yep, that's another approch, I choosed debootstrap |
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| 19:25.10 | OpenTokix | MrJK: is the partition inside the lv bootable? |
| 19:25.12 | MrJK | (actually, I don't want to be stuck with one distrib, I want to be able to debootsrap fedora, centos, etc ...) |
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| 19:25.49 | OpenTokix | MrJK: ok |
| 19:26.26 | MrJK | OpenTokix, it wasn't ... I just changed it, I do another try and I tell ya what's happen |
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| 19:29.24 | MrJK | OpenTokix, ok, no errors this time, but installation is not good: |
| 19:29.42 | MrJK | the devices.map of grub shows one line: (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-3600508e0000000008324debc6524ea0d |
| 19:30.11 | MrJK | this devices corresponds to my main server, not my chrooted hard drive |
| 19:30.46 | OpenTokix | MrJK: what grubcommand do you use? |
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| 19:31.20 | MrJK | a simple grub-update for now |
| 19:31.31 | MrJK | root@test03:/# update-grub2 |
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| 19:31.52 | OpenTokix | MrJK: ok, - you should try: grub-install |
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| 19:32.22 | MrJK | ok |
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| 19:33.43 | MrJK | OpenTokix, basically, if I want to install grub on the mbr: grub-install /dev/mapper/system-vm_test03 |
| 19:34.27 | MrJK | as /dev/mapper/system-vm_test03p1 => first partition, with LVM inside |
| 19:34.47 | MrJK | Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/test03-boot failed. |
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| 19:35.20 | MrJK | I don't get why it try to find a FS on my (virtual) HD |
| 19:35.21 | OpenTokix | MrJK: grub-install --force --no-floppy --boot-directory=/mnt/lvroot/boot /dev/mapper/vm/rootfs |
| 19:35.27 | OpenTokix | should work |
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| 19:35.57 | MrJK | ok, so I don't need to install grub from the chroot, but from the host |
| 19:36.01 | MrJK | (i try) |
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| 19:36.53 | OpenTokix | MrJK: be careful so you dont overwrite your own grub =) |
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| 19:37.35 | MrJK | grub-install --force --no-floppy --boot-directory=/var/lib/jezcloud/test03/boot /dev/mapper/system-vm_test03 |
| 19:37.44 | MrJK | Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/test03-boot failed. |
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| 19:37.58 | MrJK | still trying to find a FS ... don't understand why so |
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| 19:46.35 | riceandb1ans | can anyone give me a quick hand with openldap? |
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| 19:46.46 | riceandb1ans | I just need to understand one option that's poorly documented |
| 19:46.57 | riceandb1ans | it's not even in the manpage |
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| 19:47.05 | phogg | riceandb1ans: which option? |
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| 19:47.18 | riceandbeans | tls_checkpeer |
| 19:47.20 | MrJK | OpenTokix, ok, why grub setup does need a FS ? Should it just write into the MBR ? |
| 19:47.26 | riceandbeans | I have self signed certs |
| 19:47.34 | OpenTokix | MrJK: grub has its config in the fs |
| 19:47.41 | riceandbeans | if I set tls_checkpeer yes my LDAP setup doesn't work for PAM auth |
| 19:47.42 | OpenTokix | MrJK: I usually have my /boot outside of the lvm |
| 19:47.46 | riceandbeans | if I set it to no, it does |
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| 19:48.09 | MrJK | OpenTokix, I think that what i will try too |
| 19:48.10 | riceandbeans | but it SEEMS like tls_checkpeer no is inviting MITM attacks |
| 19:48.34 | riceandbeans | it sounds like it's basically a different version of tls_reqcert no |
| 19:48.48 | MrJK | And so, the --boot-directory= should specify to look somwhere else, right ? There is some magic in grub ... |
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| 19:50.22 | OpenTokix | MrJK: its the directory where the boot/grub is |
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| 19:52.45 | Jonuz | How can I prevent that games cant mute rhytmbox? |
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| 19:55.24 | OpenTokix | MrJK: there is some howtos for bootable usb's - where you install grub on them |
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| 19:55.55 | OpenTokix | MrJK: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-grub2-on-usb-from-ubuntu-linux/ <-- this for instance |
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| 19:56.36 | lroe | Running wheezy, what is the best way to get icedove/thunderbird >=24.0.1 and iceowl-extension >=2.6.1 |
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| 19:56.53 | lroe | I can do an SSB or install packages from one of the many ubuntu repos |
| 19:57.00 | lroe | neither seem like a great option |
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| 19:57.10 | ompaul | ssb |
| 19:57.14 | lroe | the mozilla.debian.net repo only has version 24.0 |
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| 19:57.36 | ompaul | so here's the thing |
| 19:57.42 | wols | lroe: the first one is a good option, the 2nd one is just awfully horrible |
| 19:58.02 | lroe | wols, I don't really like either to be honest |
| 19:58.07 | ompaul | if you mix ubuntu and debian you won't have either you will have franken$largermix and it will break in some horrid way |
| 19:58.10 | riceandbeans | lroe: run sid? |
| 19:58.17 | lroe | riceandbeans, no thanks |
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| 19:58.41 | riceandbeans | lroe: you want latest and greatest, that's pretty much your option |
| 19:58.54 | lroe | the *best* option is for the mozilla.debian.net repo to update their wheezy-backports package, but I can't seem to get anywhere on that front |
| 19:59.03 | lroe | riceandbeans, 24.0.1 is far from the 'lastest and greatest' |
| 19:59.04 | ompaul | lroe: sometimes it hasn't really broken on me except once for one evening (I picked a bad day to go from 32 to 64bit) since 09 |
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| 19:59.35 | riceandbeans | sid has wrecked my system before |
| 19:59.39 | riceandbeans | but I backup frequently |
| 19:59.48 | riceandbeans | everything is on separate partitions |
| 19:59.55 | riceandbeans | reinstall from disasters is easy |
| 20:00.01 | ompaul | lroe: so a question why a calender extension as a critical requirement |
| 20:00.13 | ompaul | riceandbeans: why did it break? |
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| 20:00.28 | riceandbeans | ompaul: umm, one time it broke grub |
| 20:00.30 | lroe | ompaul, oauth is broken in anything <2.6.1 |
| 20:00.39 | riceandbeans | ompaul: one time it broke my filesystem support for reiser |
| 20:00.44 | petern_ | lroe, mozilla.debian.net has 28 for Wheezy. |
| 20:00.48 | riceandbeans | used to use reiser since it was included in Debian |
| 20:00.53 | riceandbeans | umm |
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| 20:00.58 | riceandbeans | little things here and there |
| 20:01.16 | lroe | petern_, are you sure you're not looking at iceweasel? |
| 20:01.20 | ompaul | riceandbeans: reiser ... yuk it was good for two afternoons in the 90s |
| 20:01.32 | riceandbeans | one time it gave one of my laptops support for 'sleep', which would've been better termed a coma |
| 20:01.46 | petern_ | lroe, yes sorry :( |
| 20:01.48 | riceandbeans | ompaul: reiser was the best FS until Hammer |
| 20:01.53 | petern_ | lroe, people actually use the other crap? o_O |
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| 20:02.18 | riceandbeans | btrfs isn't so awesome |
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| 20:03.14 | lroe | petern_, what other crap |
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| 20:03.51 | amin_ | after a fresh install of jessie with the default xfce desktop environment, how do you recommend to replace it with gnome? using apt-get, tasksel, etc? |
| 20:03.57 | petern_ | lroe, never mind, my personal opinion on icedove was not requested :) |
| 20:04.24 | lroe | the alternative is using the web calendaring client which sucks |
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| 20:04.34 | Artemis3 | amin_, why did you install a desktop you didn't want? the installer allows using another, or none so you could apt-get afterwards |
| 20:04.36 | MrJK | OpenTokix, lol, hard link makes install going fine ... gonna try now |
| 20:04.41 | MrJK | thanks anyway :) |
| 20:05.17 | OpenTokix | MrJK: good luck, fun project |
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| 20:05.49 | amin_ | Artemis3, I used the DVD-1 image, it did not have a option to choose gnome while installing. installing no desktop at all it wants me to download twice big files for installing gnome aftwerwards |
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| 20:06.56 | Artemis3 | amin_, you need to use expert install |
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| 20:07.36 | Artemis3 | amin_, also netinstall does the same, you don't really need the whole dvd :) |
| 20:07.59 | amin_ | in expert install there was no option, too, can you tell me exactly when it asks for desktop? |
| 20:08.08 | amin_ | netinstall needs a lot of downloading |
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| 20:09.58 | amin_ | Artemis3, ? |
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| 20:12.47 | Artemis3 | amin_, i usually pass the parameter priority=low so it asks everything :) |
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| 20:13.19 | DusteD | Greetings, I have a small problem with apt, I have installed libjpeg8-dev because libdirectfb-dev depends on it. I'm told it's in the newest version. But when I try to install libdirectfb-dev I am told that the following packages have unmep dependencies: libjpeg8-dev : Conflicts: libjpeg62-dev but 6b1-4 is to be installed |
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| 20:13.33 | Luke-Jr | How can I remove systemd? :/ |
| 20:13.35 | DusteD | However, if I try to remove libjpeg62-dev it tells it will remove a lot of other packages |
| 20:14.15 | DusteD | actually, if I try to remove libjpeg62-dev I'm told that it is not installed |
| 20:15.02 | lroe | looks like the ssb for icedove fails |
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| 20:34.02 | melt7777 | x2: reverse cowgirl? |
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| 20:38.08 | babilen | melt7777: That's really not appropriate |
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| 20:39.31 | Numline1 | Good evening. Is there any way to use reCaptcha with older versions (those in debian/ubuntu depos) of phpMyadmin? |
| 20:39.35 | Numline1 | Thanks for help |
| 20:39.43 | Numline1 | (Also, this would be great for roundcube as well) |
| 20:39.48 | melt7777 | sorry, i know, couldn't resist, did not think the kids in the channel would understand |
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| 20:50.31 | yeyknin | does someone know about statistics graphing the use of the different distributions on desktops, especially among developers? |
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| 20:51.14 | X2 | help wish to mount my partions |
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| 20:51.53 | babilen | X2: You really have to provide more context if you want help |
| 20:52.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell X2 -about smart questions |
| 20:52.55 | somiaj | yeyknin: that is not really on topic here, but distrowatch has a lot of statistics, check there. |
| 20:53.23 | X2 | babilen i have mounted /dev/sda9 to /var/lib/postgresql i dont wanna mess with my database otherwise my software will not work i jsut wish to use its space its 800GB partions so i wish /var/www will use space from /dev/sda9 how to do |
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| 20:53.27 | yeyknin | somiaj: why is that not on topic? It's all about Debian |
| 20:54.14 | somiaj | yeyknin: 'use of different distributions on desktops' -- how is that all about debian, sounds like it is a comparision of the various distributions to me. |
| 20:55.37 | yeyknin | somiaj: sorry, I mean all Debian releases, not distributions, my fault |
| 20:56.04 | somiaj | yeyknin: so you want a comparision of developers (or even say just users) who run oldstable, stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 20:56.22 | yeyknin | somiaj: yes :) |
| 20:56.32 | somiaj | I know there are some statistics out there (that people may opt in) about packages used and downloads, but I forget where to look for those. |
| 20:56.44 | yeyknin | you mean popcon? |
| 20:57.12 | somiaj | I thought there was a debian package you could install that would send statistics about your ussage somewhere, but I have to go and forget the name of the package |
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| 20:58.04 | yeyknin | somiaj: one can also choose to opt in during install, it's processed at popcon.debian.org, but that's not quite what I am looking for |
| 20:58.22 | X2 | babilen i have mounted /dev/sda9 to /var/lib/postgresql i dont wanna mess with my database otherwise my software will not work i jsut wish to use its space its 800GB partions so i wish /var/www will use space from /dev/sda9 how to do |
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| 20:58.49 | yeyknin | somiaj: at least, |
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| 20:59.00 | yeyknin | sorry, didn't want to type that |
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| 21:04.18 | X2 | babilen i have mounted /dev/sda9 to /var/lib/postgresql i dont wanna mess with my database otherwise my software will not work i jsut wish to use its space its 800GB partions so i wish /var/www will use space from /dev/sda9 how to do |
| 21:05.28 | petern_ | So do you want to use /dev/sda9 for /var/lib/postgresql or /var/www? |
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| 21:06.25 | X2 | for both |
| 21:06.44 | X2 | i wish to use /dev/sda9 for /var/lib/postgresql and /var/www both |
| 21:06.55 | petern_ | Well, that's not how mount points work. |
| 21:07.00 | DusteD | mount sda9 to /mnt/sda9 and move them to there and make /var/www and /var/lib/postgresql linkjs |
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| 21:07.48 | X2 | my database and my multimedia website both store on /dev/sda9 |
| 21:08.12 | X2 | if i change postgresql's path it'll work ? |
| 21:08.34 | X2 | like i mount /dev/sda8 to /var/lib/postgresql |
| 21:08.43 | X2 | currently /dev/sda8 mounted at /var |
| 21:09.57 | X2 | petern_ DusteD any idea |
| 21:10.28 | DusteD | Yep, mount the partition somewhere, move directories to it and link to them |
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| 21:11.16 | X2 | DusteD if i change my database directry my software will not work correctly i think |
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| 21:11.51 | DusteD | You should stop the webserver and database server before moving the directories |
| 21:12.06 | X2 | may i pvt to you ? |
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| 21:12.26 | DusteD | I prefer that people can see what we're writing, in case anyone has suggestions or corrections to what I tell |
| 21:12.39 | X2 | yes you are right |
| 21:12.47 | X2 | ok lets start |
| 21:12.57 | X2 | let me stop database and other programs 1st |
| 21:13.05 | X2 | i have to edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 21:13.07 | DusteD | Yep |
| 21:13.11 | X2 | ok |
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| 21:14.52 | DusteD | Basically, 1. make a mountpoint for sda9 somewhere, /mnt/sda9 could be an option, write that into fstab. 2. stop services, copy directories over. 3 link back ( ln -s /mnt/sdc9/www /var/www ). 4 start services |
| 21:15.33 | lroe | I'm sure people don't really care, but after SSB-ing libnss3 as well my SSB of icedove went swimmingly |
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| 21:17.00 | X2 | i make /data |
| 21:17.06 | X2 | made* |
| 21:17.11 | X2 | i edit fstab |
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| 21:17.17 | X2 | DusteD now what |
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| 21:18.26 | X2 | DusteD /dev/sda9 887G 1.8G 886G 1% /data |
| 21:18.37 | X2 | i have mounted with new location |
| 21:18.38 | X2 | now what |
| 21:18.42 | DusteD | next step |
| 21:18.58 | DusteD | <DusteD> Basically, 1. make a mountpoint for sda9 somewhere, /mnt/sda9 could be an option, write that into fstab. 2. stop services, copy |
| 21:19.15 | X2 | ok |
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| 21:20.08 | DusteD | I'd shut down the database server and do a cp -a to that location, the rename the old olcation and symlink it ( ln -s /data/postgresql /var/lib/postgresql ) then start the database server again |
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| 21:21.33 | X2 | DusteD copy or move ? |
| 21:21.41 | DusteD | copy |
| 21:21.44 | X2 | ok |
| 21:21.47 | DusteD | cp -a is copy |
| 21:22.25 | DusteD | I'm sure you can move it too, but in case something happens, it's nice that you have your old data on your old partition so you can revert the changes with minimal action. |
| 21:22.37 | X2 | yes |
| 21:23.16 | X2 | i have done cp -a /var/lib/postgresql /data |
| 21:23.25 | DusteD | Has it completed ? |
| 21:23.26 | X2 | and cp -a /var/www/ /data/ |
| 21:23.28 | DusteD | yep |
| 21:23.35 | X2 | now i have to make symlink ? |
| 21:23.49 | DusteD | Then you do mv /var/www /var/www-old and ln -s /data/www /var/www |
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| 21:24.16 | DusteD | then, if it works, you can at some time do rm -Rf /var/www-old, but wait with that until you're sure it works as it should |
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| 21:25.27 | X2 | done |
| 21:25.32 | X2 | now i have to reboot for testing |
| 21:25.36 | DusteD | why ? |
| 21:25.45 | X2 | coz i have stop lot of services |
| 21:25.49 | DusteD | then start them |
| 21:25.54 | DusteD | no need to reboot |
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| 21:27.23 | X2 | its not working :s |
| 21:27.37 | DusteD | What is it saying ? |
| 21:27.49 | X2 | my software give me error |
| 21:28.00 | DusteD | Yes, that's what I'm asking about, what is it saying ? |
| 21:28.14 | X2 | Internal Error, Can't connect to IBS Core |
| 21:28.22 | X2 | its due to changing of database path |
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| 21:28.31 | DusteD | Check the symlink |
| 21:28.37 | X2 | give me command |
| 21:29.07 | DusteD | ls -l /var/ |
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| 21:29.36 | DusteD | and I guess ls -l /var/lib/ |
| 21:29.55 | X2 | there is no link for database folder |
| 21:29.58 | X2 | :s |
| 21:30.05 | DusteD | Then you most likely did not make one |
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| 21:30.39 | X2 | ln -s /var/lib/postgresql /data/postgresql |
| 21:30.42 | X2 | is it correct ? |
| 21:30.48 | DusteD | nope |
| 21:30.59 | X2 | give me command |
| 21:31.11 | DusteD | ln -s /data/postgresql /var/lib/postgresql |
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| 21:31.42 | X2 | but i have change postgresql which is in /var/lib/ to postgres-old |
| 21:31.48 | X2 | is it ok ? |
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| 21:31.59 | DusteD | Yes, but you did copy it to /data first right? |
| 21:32.26 | X2 | yes |
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| 21:32.33 | DusteD | good, then it's fine |
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| 21:34.26 | X2 | now i use ls -l /var/ no link for sql folder |
| 21:34.32 | X2 | but when i use ls -l /data |
| 21:34.36 | X2 | there is a link available |
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| 21:35.09 | DusteD | Alright, so there is a link in /data ? |
| 21:35.16 | DusteD | then rm /data/postgresql |
| 21:35.16 | X2 | yes |
| 21:35.28 | DusteD | and cp -a /var/lib/postgresql-old /data |
| 21:35.40 | DusteD | and ln -s /data/postgresql /var/lib/postgresql |
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| 21:36.44 | X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.44 | X2 | ln: creating symbolic link `/var/lib/postgresql': File exists |
| 21:36.58 | X2 | but software still not working :( |
| 21:37.02 | DusteD | you are lying to me, you told me that the postgresql link did not exist |
| 21:37.14 | zh1 | what can i use to convert pdf to text in debian |
| 21:37.45 | DusteD | what do you see if you do ls -l /var/lib/ |
| 21:37.50 | dondelelcaro | zh1: pdftotext or similar will do it |
| 21:38.00 | X2 | DusteD i think i shuld restore every thing and make an folder in /var/lib/postgresql/data and make a link my data folder to /var/www |
| 21:38.00 | noooob | i have installed and configured gnome-dvb-daemon and totem-plugins-dvb-daemon. Now i am supposed to select digital TV in totem: can someone give me a hint where that would be hiding? |
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| 21:38.50 | DusteD | Propably, luckily, that's rather easy as you can just rename those -old back to their previous names |
| 21:39.14 | X2 | how to remove syslink ? |
| 21:39.26 | DusteD | Really ? |
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| 21:39.33 | X2 | yes :$ |
| 21:39.39 | MrFrood | zh1: "pdftotext", it is in the poppler-utils package |
| 21:39.47 | DusteD | how the hell did you manage to setup a sql server if you don't know how to do basic file operations? anyway, rm will remove a file |
| 21:40.01 | DusteD | rm /var/lib/postgresql |
| 21:40.38 | noooob | How would i "Start Totem and select Digital TV in the sidebar"?? there is no such option after activating plugin "gnome dvb daemon" ??? |
| 21:41.28 | noooob | anyone here ever tried that? |
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| 21:42.57 | carandraug | hi! Is there any bash command that is capable of generating all combinations of things? I have this command that I need to brute force all options. I just wanna run "command -opt1=[1:1:10] -opt2=[auto|poisson] -outfile 'opt1value_opt2file.tif' " kind of thing |
| 21:43.27 | carandraug | I'm thinking of writing a simple script that takes the options and then pass it to xargs but I'm wondering if maybe I'm over complicating |
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| 21:44.40 | X2 | DusteD i am missing some thing its still give me error |
| 21:44.49 | X2 | i have restore fstab |
| 21:44.54 | X2 | i have remove links |
| 21:45.01 | X2 | i have restore folder names |
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| 21:46.02 | DusteD | I guess at this point, rebooting wouldn't hurt |
| 21:46.14 | X2 | i have reboot |
| 21:46.17 | X2 | but not work |
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| 21:46.24 | DusteD | Hm, okay, is the sql server running ? |
| 21:46.37 | X2 | hopso |
| 21:46.44 | X2 | how to test its postgresql |
| 21:46.45 | frostschutz | carandraug, for opt1 in 1 2 3; do for opt2 in on off; do cmd -a $opt1 -b $opt2 -c "$opt1_$opt2.file"; done; done; |
| 21:47.20 | DusteD | I guess you can either see it from the runing processes, or in the log file for the database server, likely located in /var/log/ |
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| 21:48.08 | zh1 | MrFrood, is that best one? i used one in past maybe was that one |
| 21:48.11 | udevd | hi! i'm having troubles with building midori source package. Could any of you try to build it? Problems are in particular related to marshalling... |
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| 21:48.33 | udevd | In fact I want to commit bugfix, but I need to check if it works in first place xD |
| 21:48.35 | carandraug | frostschutz, yeah, the problem is a bit more complicated, I have 7 options, and some of them with floating point increments. Such nested for loops are a bit weird. Still, I guess it's better |
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| 21:50.07 | MrFrood | zh1: no idea if it is the best |
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| 21:51.48 | frostschutz | carandraug, and if it was 100 options, I'd still do it this way ;) well, maybe with a wrapper that handled the nesting for you, but still |
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| 21:52.36 | Linuxator | may t add ubuntu and mint repos? |
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| 21:53.39 | carandraug | frostschutz, yeah. This will also be used by some less computer literate people in the lab so I think I'll be writing such wrapper |
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| 21:57.17 | udevd | well, if no, then no. Is anyone familiar in handling with source packages? I'm having troubles with it, when building, no `work' directory is created and I'd appreciate every help |
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| 22:01.03 | peterrooney | Linuxator: only if you feel like making a broken system that nobody here would help you with. /msg dpkg frankendebian |
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| 22:02.22 | Linuxator | peterrooney: no need,thanx |
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| 22:03.18 | deego | IME, debian's so well made that mixing multiple releases of debian itself works pretty well. :) |
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| 22:05.40 | deego | Also, I don't know why people add all these other repos to their workstation (not gaming station). People never seem to think about security, what's supported by dsa's, and the fact that non-free can't even be covered by dsa, because the source code can't be inspected. |
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| 22:15.03 | Tros | I'm trying out SteamOS, but I think this is a Debian-question: How do I get aptitude to ignore conflicts? I've got a package that depends (incorrectly) on libboost-dev-all (1.54), but specifically loads libboost (1.53). I've asked dpkg to ignore the libboost-dev-all dependency to install, but now aptitude constantly bugs me about this package (and keeps removing it). |
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| 22:21.48 | shape | Who is on the lookout for exploits/vulnerabilities in programs and how fast do they get updated into the system? |
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| 22:23.50 | MrFrood | shape: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 22:24.23 | shape | MrFrood: can i pm you? |
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| 22:25.20 | MrFrood | shape: best to thing in channel, as others may also be able to help |
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| 22:25.52 | udevd | AH |
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| 22:26.10 | shape | Ah ok, I was going to ask, what makes Debian more secure than compared to released that just build packages from upstream like Arch, gentoo. etc. |
| 22:26.15 | udevd | now I know why I had troubles building package... |
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| 22:26.49 | udevd | Apparently package builder somewhere makes use of $PWD instead of \"$PWD\" |
| 22:27.00 | udevd | and I have space in my $PWD :P |
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| 22:27.31 | dskfl | hi, anyone user ptunnel with success? does it work? |
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| 22:30.36 | MrFrood | shape: I wont comment about specific distributions but in general the software in Debain stable is more tested than what you would find in the more cutting edge distributions, package maintainers review the code and Debian has a dedicated security team - have a read of https://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 22:30.38 | noooob | Is there any black magic involved in getting totem to show dvb-daemon-plugin UI? |
| 22:31.16 | shape | MrFrood: Thank you, that's exactly what i was looking for. |
| 22:31.31 | MrFrood | NP |
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| 22:37.57 | nonconvergent | My laptop time is off by about ten minutes. |
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| 22:41.19 | MrFrood | !ntp |
| 22:41.20 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 22:41.28 | MrFrood | nonconvergent: ^^^ |
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| 22:56.24 | civillian | where is the default NFS port config on debian? |
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| 22:59.00 | linuxthefish | please help, how do i view the full IP in last? |
| 22:59.14 | centrx | linuxthefish, What is "last"? |
| 22:59.26 | linuxthefish | the command last to view last logins! |
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| 22:59.40 | linuxthefish | some guy is logged in via an unknown user :/ |
| 22:59.45 | NChief | man last |
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| 23:00.28 | linuxthefish | i've looked and for hostname or IP's it cuts it off... |
| 23:00.55 | NChief | it should not cut off.. |
| 23:01.01 | centrx | It appears to work |
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| 23:36.15 | Release_ | when beeing prompted when certain libbs are upgraded is it best to choose option auto restart |
| 23:36.53 | Release_ | or is it better to let it prompt and ask after each libb upgrade ? |
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| 23:41.38 | centrx | Release_, I am not sure which option you are referring to, but the risk of auto-restart would be that something is restarted you didn't want to be restarted during upgrade |
| 23:41.57 | centrx | Release_, Risk of not restarting is continued security vulnerability |
| 23:42.24 | Release_ | ah ok |
| 23:43.58 | Release_ | can that be reveresed centrx ? |
| 23:44.07 | Release_ | or undo |
| 23:44.12 | centrx | Can what be reversed? |
| 23:44.13 | Release_ | and return to manual restart |
| 23:44.24 | centrx | Probably dpkg-reconfigure <package name> |
| 23:44.34 | centrx | but you have to figure out what the package name that asked you that question is |
| 23:44.50 | Release_ | after |
| 23:44.51 | Release_ | configuration ssl1.0.0:i386 |
| 23:44.58 | Release_ | after this one |
| 23:45.11 | Release_ | it prompted |
| 23:45.18 | Release_ | for restart |
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| 23:47.03 | eltonyowosoa | Hello, can i ask for help here ? |
| 23:47.07 | centrx | !ask |
| 23:47.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:47.27 | centrx | Release_, There might be a file called "restart-without-asking" now on your computer that contains a line for libssl now. Not sure how it works |
| 23:47.33 | eltonyowosoa | I have problem with installing packages "E: Unable to locate package libluajit-5.1-dev E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libluajit-5.1-dev'" any ideas ? |
| 23:47.40 | centrx | Release_, You can try dpkg-reconfigure libssl1.0.0 |
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| 23:47.44 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 23:48.03 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx you was talking to me ? |
| 23:48.29 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, How did you get this message? |
| 23:48.56 | jacks_spleen | Hi all |
| 23:48.58 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx im currently working on my VPS and trying to install required Libs for my game server. |
| 23:49.13 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, and i cannot compile it without them. |
| 23:49.37 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, Yes, but you ran some kind of command, and that command had output that included that line (Use paste.debian.net) |
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| 23:49.58 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx oh ye. "apt-get install libboost1.41-dev libboost-system1.41-dev libboost-filesystem1.41-dev libboost-date-time1.41-dev libboost-regex1.41-dev libboost-thread1.41-dev libgmp3-dev liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-0-dev liblua50 liblua50-dev liblualib50 liblualib50-dev lua50 lua5.1 libsqlite0-dev libsqlite3-dev sqlite3 libmysql++-dev libmysqlclient-dev mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1 mysql-common libxml2-dev libxml++2.6-dev cpp gcc |
| 23:50.04 | jacks_spleen | I've got a question about Debian's version of software available in apt |
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| 23:51.42 | jacks_spleen | what dictates the version of software that is available through apt? Like apache for example. Apache-2.2.22 is the latest in apt but apache-2.4.9 is the latest available |
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| 23:52.02 | jacks_spleen | sorry if I sound condescending, I'm just curious |
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| 23:53.48 | ffog | is it possible to have one monitor in a dual setup display tty? |
| 23:53.49 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, so ?? any ideas ? now i got something like that. "E: Package 'libboost1.41-dev' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libboost-system1.41-dev' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libboost-filesystem1.41-dev' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libboost-date-time1.41-dev' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libboost-regex1.41-dev' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libboost-thread1.41-dev' ha |
| 23:54.11 | ffog | and switch input between X and tty on 2nd screen |
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| 23:54.59 | somiaj | ffog: it is possible to get that effect |
| 23:55.23 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, These package names libluajit-5.1-dev and libboost-dsate-time1.41-dev don't exist in Debian stable? |
| 23:55.28 | somiaj | ffog: you can actually run a seperante windowmanager on each screen (display), why not run your windowmanager gnome on one screen and just have a no windowmanager session with a fullscreen xterm on the other? |
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| 23:55.48 | MrFrood | jacks_spleen: It's normally the version that is current when testing enters a pre-release freeze. The Debian security team will backport any security fixes from new releases and there is always the backports repository. |
| 23:56.06 | somiaj | ffog: but since xorg actually runs on a tty if it is possible (I doubt it is), is ask how can I display a different tty on each monintor. |
| 23:56.09 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, well i don't rly know.http://otland.net/threads/linux-ultimate-compile-guide-for-debian-ubuntu-included.2868/ here is the link where i follow steps and nobody posted any new source.lists. |
| 23:56.11 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, If you got that list of packages from the docs for your game server, you may need to tweak it to fit the package names for Debian |
| 23:56.19 | somiaj | ffog: if you can figure out how to do that you got your answer. I do not htink it is possible but I could be mistaken. |
| 23:56.33 | dvs | jacks_spleen: Whatever version of Apache that was available and throughly tested before Debian 7 came out. |
| 23:56.34 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, This is from 2007, it's not likely to work very well now |
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| 23:56.57 | eltonyowosoa | Well it's old server so it should work ;/ |
| 23:57.07 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, It's old server revision so it should work. |
| 23:57.48 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, But your operating system is not that old |
| 23:57.49 | jacks_spleen | oh I see |
| 23:57.59 | ffog | somiaj: thanks. i'll look into that |
| 23:58.13 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, it's Debian Squeezy. |
| 23:58.25 | ffog | somiaj: i know i can just run a fullscreen xterm on one monitor but it isn't the same as tty |
| 23:58.32 | jacks_spleen | So theoretically updates would be included in the next release of the OS then? |
| 23:58.44 | MrFrood | jacks_spleen: yes |
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| 23:59.12 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, Yes, squeeze was first released in 2011, four years after that forum post |
| 23:59.25 | MrFrood | !tell jacks_spleen about bpo |
| 23:59.27 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, so there is no way that i could download these libs ? |
| 23:59.30 | centrx | eltonyowosoa, Is this what you are trying to compile: https://github.com/opentibia/server |
| 23:59.47 | somiaj | ffog: the only major difference I can think of is you don't get stderr kernel messages printed to the screen, but if that is what you want there are ways to get that |
| 23:59.51 | dvs | centrx: four years? Hmm... just slightly ahead of our time! |
| 23:59.52 | jacks_spleen | bpo? |
| 23:59.54 | eltonyowosoa | Centrx, yes TFS "The Forgotten Server" which is Tibia Open Server |
