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| 00:51.19 | dee--- | instead of manually launching ./CumulusServer --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/CumulusServer.pid] in the path /username/CumulusServer how do I make it autostart with cron incase i reboot |
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| 00:54.12 | dee--- | ugh im in /etc/init.d what would it go under |
| 00:54.22 | dee--- | for booting up and launching an application |
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| 00:57.27 | dee--- | can i just create a file in init.d and put in the command line to launch the application on startup each tiem? |
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| 00:58.19 | zykotick9 | dee---: for a "simple" on boot config, see rc.local |
| 00:59.16 | dee--- | thanks im there now in nano |
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| 00:59.32 | dee--- | to launch ./CumulusServer --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/CumulusServer.pid] @ /username/CumulusServer |
| 00:59.34 | dee--- | what should I add? |
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| 01:00.17 | zykotick9 | dee---: i'd suggest you use the full path to CumulusServer |
| 01:00.29 | dee--- | right i understand that im just looking for an example |
| 01:00.35 | dee--- | i can change the /home/username/whatnot |
| 01:01.26 | dee--- | /home/username/CumulusServer./CumulusServer --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/CumulusServer.pid] |
| 01:01.33 | dee--- | that would never work sorry i just know windows =\ |
| 01:01.40 | dee--- | any help would be appreciated |
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| 01:05.44 | dee--- | i give up whatever |
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| 01:34.23 | dee--- | I just want to modify rc.local to launch ./CumulusServer --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/CumulusServer.pid] at the path /root/CumulusServer |
| 01:34.29 | dee--- | can anyone tell me how to format the command |
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| 01:34.52 | dee--- | /root/CumulusServer | ./CumulusServer --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/CumulusServer.pid] |
| 01:34.54 | dee--- | doesnt work i have no idea |
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| 01:41.27 | swathe | dee---: why not run it as a script? |
| 01:42.22 | dee--- | i honestly have no idea how |
| 01:42.27 | dee--- | that's how i normally execute it manually |
| 01:42.34 | dee--- | if you can tell me what to do it would be appreciated |
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| 01:44.03 | dee--- | this is insane lol |
| 01:44.25 | dee--- | 30 minutes to add a program to execute automatically |
| 01:44.38 | dee--- | swathe: how would i do that? |
| 01:44.41 | zykotick9 | dee---: you use ./ when you're in the directory, it mean "from here" when you use the full path for stuff, you don't need the ./ |
| 01:44.41 | civillian | If you've never done it before... |
| 01:45.41 | dee--- | zyktotick9: right but what would the command be so i can at least see it in proper format and learn |
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| 01:46.53 | civillian | dee---: it's format is exactly that of the command line |
| 01:46.56 | zykotick9 | "/home/username/CumulusServer/CumulusServer --daemon..." perhaps. i'm not sure what the square brackets around the --pidfile is for (i rather doubt they are required, but i have no idea what CumulusServer is... |
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| 01:47.12 | dee--- | someone else said to use cd /root/CumulusServer && ./CumulusServer --daemon via a pm |
| 01:47.30 | dee--- | do I need the cd? |
| 01:47.32 | zykotick9 | dee---: don't use cd in scripts/rc.local |
| 01:47.36 | dee--- | thanks |
| 01:47.38 | civillian | dee---: whatever cumulus is, it shouldn't be installed in /root |
| 01:47.46 | civillian | dee---: or run as root, presumably |
| 01:47.53 | dee--- | so i should move it to a non root location? |
| 01:47.55 | dee--- | k |
| 01:48.01 | swathe | wait |
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| 01:48.02 | civillian | and setup a 'cumulus' user |
| 01:48.11 | dee--- | understood thanks |
| 01:48.13 | swathe | it's installed in root? |
| 01:48.18 | swathe | hmm |
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| 01:48.24 | zykotick9 | dee---: /opt is a good spot for out of repo programs... YMMV |
| 01:48.27 | swathe | what is this cumulus server |
| 01:48.27 | dee--- | yeah this is just for test purposes |
| 01:48.40 | dee--- | nothing production related |
| 01:48.54 | dee--- | thanks |
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| 01:50.26 | civillian | dee---: for prod, I suggest you use proper init scripts with LSB tags |
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| 01:50.48 | dee--- | i'll have to research what lsb tags are |
| 01:50.52 | dee--- | im use to winblows sorry |
| 01:50.57 | dee--- | !lsb |
| 01:50.58 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 01:51.07 | dee--- | !lsb tags |
| 01:51.07 | dpkg | From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 01:52.55 | dee--- | /root/CumulusServer/CumulusServer --daemon didn't do anything |
| 01:53.04 | dee--- | i ran ps aux and don't see the process |
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| 01:54.38 | civillian | dee---: since Cumulus isn't part of Debian, your support options are limited here in #debian |
| 01:54.54 | dee--- | yeah but the syntax should be the same to run any program |
| 01:55.01 | dee--- | if i can manually go into the directory and execute the command... |
| 01:56.28 | civillian | dee---: does it come with an init script? |
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| 02:29.49 | pawn | How does one add wheezy-backports to their apt-get agian? I'm trying to help someone with this |
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| 02:31.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pawn about wheezy backports |
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| 02:32.13 | pawn | abrotman: I think I found it |
| 02:32.13 | pawn | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:32.17 | pawn | That's it |
| 02:32.24 | pawn | but I forgot what mirror to us |
| 02:32.25 | pawn | use* |
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| 02:34.14 | pawn | I think I got it |
| 02:34.15 | pawn | thanks |
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| 02:38.37 | dvs | Why even put the YOURMIRROR part when there is http.debian.net? |
| 02:39.23 | themill | dvs: this is a discussion I have tried to have with the backports people several times |
| 02:39.41 | dvs | And how did it... oh.... I see |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | they just don't care .. they wave their hands in the air .. |
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| 02:40.37 | dvs | and the (-sloppy) part confuses a lot of the rookies. |
| 02:40.45 | themill | yes |
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| 02:55.30 | sandman13 | how do i check versions about a package here? |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | sandman13: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 02:56.47 | sandman13 | dpkg -l iceweasel |
| 02:56.48 | dpkg | ii iceweasel 3.4-14.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:57.57 | sandman13 | abrotman: i think judd was used for that purpose |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | no .. |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | sandman13: packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 02:59.39 | sandman13 | okay |
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| 03:01.05 | Bryanstein | hey anyone in here using hurricane electric for ipv6 tunneling? |
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| 03:01.27 | abrotman | and if they are? |
| 03:01.49 | Bryanstein | abrotman, I kill them...no my follow up is that I want to know if irc is blocked on their tunnel |
| 03:02.08 | Dagger | IRC is blocked on new HE tunnels by default |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | would think you'd contact HE for questions about that. They're fairly responsive |
| 03:02.28 | Bryanstein | abrotman, pfff I have a ticket open from 2 weeks ago and still no response |
| 03:02.28 | Dagger | you can click the "unblock IRC" button if you've reached sage level in their certification thingy |
| 03:02.44 | Bryanstein | Dagger, yes...but I have tunnels from 2008 :oP |
| 03:02.54 | Bryanstein | IRC is blocked...super dead |
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| 03:02.56 | abrotman | Bryanstein: based on my interactions with them, they're being somewhat proactive about abuse vectors for folks using the tunnels |
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| 03:03.11 | Dagger | I think it may be blocked on super old tunnels too |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | also, Dagger must have some crazy highlight list :) |
| 03:03.49 | Bryanstein | Dagger, so they are blocking it all together.."in toto" |
| 03:04.24 | Bryanstein | abrotman, you going to Debconf in Portland? |
| 03:04.25 | Dagger | there were a few years between "super old" and "new" :p |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | Bryanstein: I don't think so ? I have another conference to go to. |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | I suppose bossman could send me there as well |
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| 03:05.26 | Bryanstein | Well it's in the US and that doesn't happen too often |
| 03:05.41 | abrotman | Bryanstein: I went to DC10 |
| 03:05.45 | Bryanstein | Dagger, do you happen to have a tunnel with IRC access |
| 03:05.50 | Bryanstein | Yes that was in NY right |
| 03:05.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:05.54 | Bryanstein | missed it |
| 03:06.12 | Dagger | I actually don't get that many alerts from "IPv6". 16 today, but that includes ##networking and there were one or two v6 discussions in there which bumps the numbers a bit |
| 03:06.17 | Dagger | Bryanstein: I do |
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| 03:06.29 | denom | Hey all, I'm getting logged out by gdm randomly, and I have this traceback in the logs https://gist.github.com/svevang/d1ed3b4d2abd9f873322 any ideas? |
| 03:06.41 | Bryanstein | Dagger, hmmm so did you have to do the whole sage thing and you got the untick box? |
| 03:07.04 | Dagger | mine were created in 2010/2011, so I avoided the blocking completely |
| 03:07.06 | denom | It's a segmentation fault in xorg but I'm not sure what that means |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | Bryanstein: From what I understand, that Sage ranking is somewhat important relating to HE tunnels |
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| 03:07.46 | Bryanstein | abrotman, well evidently not...I have it and it supposedly meant that they unblocked irc for you |
| 03:08.07 | Bryanstein | That is in their faq but it's no longer valid it seems...maybe it's me because only |
| 03:08.07 | Dagger | abrotman: it lets you unblock IRC and SMTP access. I *think* that's it |
| 03:08.17 | abrotman | Bryanstein: I wonder if it's automagic, or you need to request after the fact |
| 03:08.19 | Bryanstein | lol that's important |
| 03:08.19 | Dagger | (well, apart from letting you brag about being a certified sage) |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | Dagger: right, that's "important" :) |
| 03:08.53 | Bryanstein | abrotman, I did ..hence me having a ticket open with he...I emailed ipv6@he.net...no answer. |
| 03:09.06 | Bryanstein | So I called them and they were like ummm we can't give you support for a free service |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:09.58 | Bryanstein | They gave me a really veiled answer, saying that the network engineers decided I couldn't do it. He literally said, "You'll have to use something else!" |
| 03:10.07 | Dagger | try making a new tunnel and seeing if it works on there? |
| 03:10.19 | Bryanstein | Yes I tried...no dice |
| 03:10.30 | Bryanstein | although I do have errr like 4 accounts with he |
| 03:10.42 | Bryanstein | so methinks I might be on some sort of weirdo list |
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| 03:11.11 | abrotman | wonders if it might have something to do with having four accounts? |
| 03:11.17 | Bryanstein | So I'll check the other accounts and see if I'm in that range...I'll proxy up...log in and give it a go. |
| 03:11.20 | Bryanstein | hehehe nawww |
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| 03:20.59 | clipous | My google foo is weak tonight. I would like gnome to remember windows size and locations. It doesn't seem to be doing that |
| 03:21.13 | clipous | I am running Debian in VM, not sure if that would break a few things or now |
| 03:21.14 | clipous | not* |
| 03:23.36 | linuxator | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:39.46 | shape | Hi, im trying to enable backports and on the instruction page it says "For squeeze add this line : deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main" |
| 03:40.28 | shape | but what do they mean by "yourmirror" I use the university of waterloo mirror but the url is different and I dont know how to add it there |
| 03:42.01 | somiaj | shape: basically use any mirror that has a debian-backports repo, http.debian.net I should find a close mirro by geoip |
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| 03:43.48 | shape | somiaj: so like this http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-backports/ |
| 03:44.00 | shape | somiaj: replace that whole URL with that correct? |
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| 03:44.42 | shape | somiaj: the debian.org in the wiki confused me i guess, i thought there are different mirrors somewhere else that have debian.org |
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| 03:50.08 | wols | shape: the (old) mirror network was ftp.<yourcountry domain>.debian.org, e.g. ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 03:50.24 | shape | wols: ty got it working! |
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| 04:14.43 | Tiff8 | . |
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| 04:22.23 | yxol | What kind of blacklists is the Debian Wiki using? Ran my IP on a couple of blaclist checking sites. And only got one hit: fl.chickenboner.biz, wich is up for "sale". |
| 04:22.54 | Dan39 | lawl |
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| 05:15.05 | cnz | what's the best .iso to download to make a bootable usb disk with |
| 05:15.17 | cnz | the netinst one should be good enough right? |
| 05:16.30 | astralnebula | if you have ethernet connection, netinstall rocks |
| 05:16.52 | cnz | yeah I do |
| 05:16.58 | cnz | im just drawing a brain fart for some reason |
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| 05:17.36 | cnz | just picked up a PE 2950 for $100 |
| 05:17.44 | cnz | going to make it my new server |
| 05:18.28 | astralnebula | nice. i ran a dell latitude (90$ pawn shop) as a server for 6 months :D |
| 05:18.34 | astralnebula | laptop |
| 05:18.38 | cnz | haha |
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| 05:18.51 | astralnebula | xmpp , ssl... rocked |
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| 05:19.25 | cnz | yeah the server was local too |
| 05:19.36 | cnz | it was just missing the trays which is meh |
| 05:19.43 | cnz | $40 for 6 of em so no big deal |
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| 05:21.44 | astralnebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.44 | astralnebula | DSURGE. All of the server exploits are listed at a cost of $0 per unit except for GODSURGE, which costs $500 for hardware and installation. http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/23347/17-exploits-nsa-uses-hack-pcs-routers-and-servers-surveillance |
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| 05:22.43 | cnz | lol wtf |
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| 06:12.19 | aguitel | i am in wheezy with kde ,repositories option in synaptic is not open ,any tips? |
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| 06:18.17 | ratrace | hai. I have a problem. On a 32-bit machine I can't get openssl to update past 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 and on 64-bit machines I have 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7. The 32-bit is vulnerable to Heartbleed. I tried changing mirrors, cleaning apt cache and upgrading, it's stuck at 7u4... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 06:18.34 | Matip | Hello |
| 06:18.54 | Matip | a server is experimenting terrible connection problems |
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| 06:19.22 | Matip | when I try to wget google.com for example it takes ages |
| 06:19.41 | Matip | but it's kind of random, sometimes it works better, I've tried running the same multiple times |
| 06:19.44 | Matip | what should I check? |
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| 06:21.20 | Matip | sometimes it doesn't even resolve the addresses |
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| 06:26.03 | civillian | Matip: try wget without using DNS, eg wget 74.125.237.131 |
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| 06:26.53 | Matip | now it stucks in "Connecting to 74.125.237.131:80..." |
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| 06:27.14 | Matip | btw, it's using a http and https proxy |
| 06:27.25 | Matip | is there a way to check if the problem is in the server or in the proxy? |
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| 06:32.20 | shape | Hi, I'm having problems with xorg configuration after installing wheezy. I run Xorg -configure and it says List of video drivers: radeon ati etc. then it says No devices to configure. lspci | grep VGA outputs my actual card though |
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| 06:52.20 | aZz7eCh | hi #debian. i5 haswell box ... gnome3 not starting on boot ... not finding much help on resolving it or getting intel graphics drivers through google.. any pointers? |
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| 06:53.40 | shape | aZz7eCh: not starting? asin whats wrong |
| 06:55.48 | aZz7eCh | well fresh install of stable 7. boots up and logs in fine but immediately get message top right that gnome3 fail to start. and that its probably due to graphics problem or not being good enough. |
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| 06:56.53 | gringoo | ciao |
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| 06:57.03 | shape | aZz7eCh: but you still see the gnome desktop correct? |
| 06:57.10 | gringoo | !list |
| 06:57.10 | dpkg | gringoo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 06:57.38 | aZz7eCh | shape: i do but, looks more like gnome2 ... not like i've seen on youtube of deb7 |
| 06:58.01 | shape | aZz7eCh: yeah that's the gnome fallback mode, what graphics card do you have? |
| 06:58.26 | aZz7eCh | onboard intel graphics ... i5 haswell 4th gen intel cpu + mobo |
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| 06:59.26 | shape | aZz7eCh: have you installed any intel graphics drivers? |
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| 07:00.14 | aZz7eCh | no. i go to package manager for example, and any intel related graphics stuff is already installed |
| 07:00.17 | aZz7eCh | https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2012/2012q4-intel-graphics-stack-release?wapkw=linux+haswell+graphics |
| 07:00.23 | aZz7eCh | this page is the intel drivers page |
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| 07:00.49 | aZz7eCh | i have attempted to download and install a couple of these - but i'm not sure if i'ms uppose to be doing them all or just picking the one for my situation |
| 07:00.54 | shape | why would do |
| 07:01.13 | valent | does anybody have any good ultra-portable laptops to suggest that work great with debian as a desktop? |
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| 07:01.32 | tabasko | howdy, I try use encfs as user but always clash to error "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" |
| 07:01.32 | shape | aZz7eCh: did you install xserver-xorg-video-intel after the installation? |
| 07:01.59 | tabasko | my user is in group fuse. As root encfs works fine |
| 07:02.11 | shape | aZz7eCh: there are no proprietary drivers for intel. they are open source. and they are in the wheezy repositories. |
| 07:02.17 | shape | aZz7eCh: install them and then reboot |
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| 07:02.51 | aZz7eCh | hmm |
| 07:03.31 | shape | aZz7eCh: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 07:06.14 | gour | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.14 | gour | [sudo] password for gour: |
| 07:06.14 | gour | Generating grub.cfg ... |
| 07:06.14 | gour | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda3 |
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| 07:07.49 | shape | aZz7eCh: well? |
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| 07:08.21 | aZz7eCh | shape: okay its already installed and already latest version |
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| 07:09.21 | gour | any workaround for this http://pastebin.com/9ufiDBLY grub problem? i'm running debian sid. |
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| 07:10.35 | shape | aZz7eCh: hmm, it might be that you'd need to backport some drivers from the testing branch but i'm not sure, I have to go now, i hope someone else takes care of your problem cheers. |
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| 07:10.48 | caraconan | Hi there. Since last upgrade when my laptop (Debian testing + slim + awesome + network-manager + nm-applet) enters in energy safe mode the network connection ends and I need to restart network-manager to get it back. Any hint to speed up the troubleshooting process? Thanks |
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| 07:11.15 | aZz7eCh | shape: ahh. well thanks for helping thus far ;) |
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| 07:18.46 | gour | i've tried with this: http://velenux.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/grub-probe-error-cannot-find-a-grub-drive-for-devsda2/ but it does not help |
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| 07:21.41 | caraconan | Ok, looks like a known bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632850 |
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| 07:22.33 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.39 | bazhang | that one? |
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| 07:24.25 | caraconan | bazhang: sorry, I was replying myself |
| 07:25.29 | bazhang | my apologies caraconan |
| 07:25.45 | caraconan | No, its ok |
| 07:26.21 | iTommix | Hello @all. I have this Problem: (Debian Wheezy 32Bit with apache2) sometimes i cannot call the website from internal network on this server. not via ip or domain but i can call the website from outside. i have to restart the network adapter to bring up everything (ifdown and ifup). what could happen on this maschine? anybody an idea? |
| 07:27.02 | iTommix | i can login via ssh if this problem exists… thats strange… |
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| 07:32.07 | Sofia_morenita | hello boys |
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| 07:35.20 | musca | iTommix: you might want to collect some more details of your setup. Did you check the log for suspicious warnings? |
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| 07:36.48 | iTommix | musca: yes… there is nothing special… i guess its a problem by our router… it seems he dont forward requests from inside to the server, but it works from outside. thats why i am not sure its a problem of this maschine :( |
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| 07:37.38 | iTommix | maybe i should have a cron which tests periodic port 80 is reachable or not… |
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| 07:38.17 | step_by_step | What is an ipv4 /8? As in " Lots of companies own a /8 all to themselves, like Xerox (13.0.0.0/8), Apple (17.0.0.0/8)"? |
| 07:39.47 | musca | step_by_step: 8 bits for the networkaddress, 24 bit for the host |
| 07:40.12 | step_by_step | musca: ??? |
| 07:40.12 | musca | i.e. 2^24 addresses for internal use |
| 07:40.38 | step_by_step | so it goes from 13.somethingcrazy.0.0 to 13.255.255.255? |
| 07:40.45 | step_by_step | why this strange size? |
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| 07:41.38 | musca | ipv4 has defined such standard ranges /8 /16 /24 |
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| 07:42.11 | step_by_step | oh.. i think apple goes from 17.0.0.0-17.255.255.255, right? |
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| 07:43.02 | musca | well, the logic is correct, but i don't know which range they own. |
| 07:44.25 | step_by_step | i wonder why ipv6 didnt simply add another 8 bit and treats old ipv4 packets like before. |
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| 07:47.21 | musca | step_by_step: ipv6 is much more than just address space expansion. |
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| 07:51.42 | step_by_step | ok. thanks for the infos! |
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| 08:08.47 | Brigo | gour, may be the fstab? |
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| 08:10.59 | gour | Brigo: no, i only use btrfs in fstab now |
| 08:11.24 | Brigo | maybe, then in lvm configuration file? |
| 08:11.36 | gour | that's what i'm looking at now |
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| 08:12.43 | brontosaurusrex | anyone using ponymix? https://github.com/falconindy/ponymix how to compile? |
| 08:12.45 | gour | Brigo: there is /etc/lvm/backup/debian. i assume i'm safe to remove it now? |
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| 08:13.08 | Brigo | make a backup first :) |
| 08:13.13 | brontosaurusrex | running make says : pulse.h:14:30: fatal error: pulse/pulseaudio.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:13.19 | gour | similar with /etc/lvm/archive files? |
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| 08:16.09 | gour | let me reboot now and check |
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| 08:17.55 | MoonGNatRouth | can anyone advice me program like DiskEdit. I need graphical hex view with convenient access to the partitions and disks. |
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| 08:25.04 | babilen | MoonGNatRouth: There are various hex editors in Debian. Try "apt-cache search hex editor" (and related searches) and pick one to your liking. |
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| 08:30.01 | MoonGNatRouth | babilen, They cant provide convenient access to the partitions of disk |
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| 08:33.54 | gour | i've got rid of that unreferenced lvm group, but there is still problem with grub (http://pastebin.com/9ufiDBLY) any hint how to resolve it? |
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| 08:40.33 | aZz7eCh | shape: (or anyone else): i seem to have lost the "Gnome3 failed to load" messages, but now i simply just dont appear to have gnome |
| 08:40.36 | aZz7eCh | 3 |
| 08:40.43 | aZz7eCh | its all install from what i can see |
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| 08:44.19 | Kingsy | am I right in thinking a dir needs a permission level of 7 to allow a user to cd into it? |
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| 08:47.27 | xand | Kingsy: the user needs +x permission to it. |
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| 08:47.44 | xand | 7 is rwx |
| 08:48.09 | Kingsy | wow, so that means in order to cd into a directory, you need to give a user access to execute in that directory? |
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| 08:54.21 | daemonkeeper | Kingsy: Yes, but +x does not mean "execute" for a directory, but access. Obviously you cannot execute a directory. |
| 08:56.20 | eqyiel | daemonkeeper: really? what does r mean for a directory then? |
| 08:56.42 | Kingsy | eqyiel: yeah that was what I was confused about |
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| 08:57.01 | daemonkeeper | eqyiel: read |
| 08:57.19 | daemonkeeper | before you ask: reading a directory means to get a directory listing. |
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| 08:58.32 | Kingsy | daemonkeeper: ok, so can you tell chmod to set 770 for directories only? |
| 08:58.38 | Kingsy | without using find? |
| 08:58.58 | daemonkeeper | No. |
| 08:59.01 | Kingsy | because chmod -R 770 * would give execute access to files too |
| 08:59.15 | Kingsy | daemonkeeper: so would you use find to get around this? |
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| 08:59.33 | daemonkeeper | find . -type d -exec chmod a+x {} \; |
| 09:01.35 | babilen | Kingsy: Why do you want to do it without find? |
| 09:01.57 | Kingsy | I was just wondering if it was possible using chmod alone :) |
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| 09:06.59 | Seb | Kingsy: zsh can do that; chmod 770 **/*(/) |
| 09:07.01 | Kingsy | crap, I just executed chmod -R 770 * in / |
| 09:07.20 | Kingsy | will a hard reboot sort this out? I cant connect via ssh anymore :( hhehe |
| 09:07.29 | Kingsy | just says Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
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| 09:08.19 | OpenSSeal-ed7 | beter keep back ups |
| 09:08.21 | spacebison1 | Well shoot. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745593 |
| 09:09.14 | Kingsy | crap not sure what to do here.. there must be a way of reversing this. perhaps just a reboot? |
| 09:09.15 | spacebison1 | I shouldn't have updated I guess. |
| 09:09.58 | OpenSSeal-ed7 | i alwast copy my fs before |
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| 09:10.26 | Kingsy | can someone offer some advice? |
| 09:10.32 | babilen | Kingsy: Nothing will repair this. Restore from backups. |
| 09:10.47 | Kingsy | babilen: ahh seriously? |
| 09:10.49 | OpenSSeal-ed7 | u will sufer |
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| 09:10.54 | OpenSSeal-ed7 | lool |
| 09:11.06 | OpenSSeal-ed7 | im gona wach |
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| 09:11.48 | Kingsy | babilen: what is the easiest way of rolling back? |
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| 09:12.34 | Kingsy | can I repare the permissions with a live cd? I just cant be bothered to re-install. I mean it has software raid if that helps. |
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| 09:13.38 | babilen | Kingsy: Do you still have a root shell open and working? |
| 09:13.48 | Kingsy | babilen: no, I logged out |
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| 09:14.05 | Kingsy | which was a dumb idea no doubt |
| 09:14.15 | babilen | Kingsy: There is nothing you can do, revert to your latest backup and be more careful next time |
| 09:14.32 | Kingsy | babilen: can I revert back using the software raid? |
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| 09:15.16 | Kingsy | I assume this is what its for. I guess the RAID process will have stopped when the permissions were messed up |
| 09:15.36 | Kingsy | so I will have a working copy of the drive in RAID |
| 09:15.46 | babilen | Kingsy: Raids are not a backup mechanism. You have the same state on both disks ... RAIDs simply allow you to recover from disk failures (as you still have one set of data), but not from intentional changes to your data |
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| 09:16.28 | babilen | Kingsy: You have no idea in which state your data is, but I can assure you that at least *some* permissions will have been changed. |
| 09:16.41 | Kingsy | ah I see |
| 09:17.28 | Kingsy | so perhaps re-install... I assume in order to make the Raid array on installation I don't have to format the /home/ dirve? |
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| 09:18.14 | tuorwork | hi, i try to use the nm-applet with the network-manager. I had wcid on the old installation. now i reinstalled debian and i have trouble with the nm-applet: http://pastebin.com/NuxMQs6C |
| 09:18.16 | babilen | Kingsy: What do you mean by "format" ? |
| 09:18.24 | Kingsy | babilen: erase data from it |
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| 09:18.58 | babilen | tuorwork: Which version of network-manager-gnome do you have installed? Which DE (if any) do you use and how do you start X? |
| 09:19.09 | DotHack | Kingsy: you can skip formatting your /home drive while reinstalling to preserve the data |
| 09:19.19 | babilen | Kingsy: You mean by creating a new filesystem on it or by overwriting it with other data? |
| 09:19.59 | babilen | Kingsy: Please note that your data in /home will also have suffered from your permission change |
| 09:20.27 | babilen | Kingsy: I really start to get the feeling as if you don't have backups, is that correct? |
| 09:20.37 | Kingsy | babilen: well yeah, but surely because that is not system dependent I cant boot with that data |
| 09:20.44 | DotHack | Kingsy: maybe booting a live cd and reset /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/group permissions to be able to login again |
| 09:21.02 | Kingsy | babilen: yeah, this sytem is only about 2 weeks old. I am just trying to save myself work by attempting to reuse some stuff |
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| 09:21.13 | babilen | DotHack: A lot of permissions will have to be adjusted for the system to work properly again |
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| 09:21.27 | Kingsy | I have backups on other machines I can restore its np.. it just takes time which I am trying to avoid |
| 09:21.31 | DotHack | Kingsy: maybe you wont be able to completely fix your permissions but you will be able to recover your data |
| 09:21.40 | tuorwork | babilen: i start x with "startx & exit" (i use i3 WM, no DE) (i just installed xorg xserver-xorg and i3) |
| 09:21.57 | Kingsy | DotHack: exactly.. the point is, where is the best place to start. |
| 09:22.31 | DotHack | Kingsy: and reinstalling is probably the best thing to do because while you probably will be able to login to the system again by resetting some permission your system will be vulnerable... |
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| 09:23.14 | Kingsy | DotHack: if I am able to log in again after using a live cd is there not some commands I can run to return system files to default permissions? |
| 09:23.39 | DotHack | Kingsy: bot from live cd and copy your precious data to an external drive or so |
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| 09:23.53 | DotHack | Kingsy: no there is no such command |
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| 09:24.55 | tuorwork | babilen: NM-gnome version: 0.9.4.1-5 |
| 09:25.34 | babilen | tuorwork: Do you use a .xsession? How do you make sure that dbus, consolekit, logind are initialised correctly? Why don't you use a display manager such as gdm3? |
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| 09:26.09 | Kingsy | DotHack: ok |
| 09:27.06 | DotHack | Kingsy: maybe this can help: http://sysadminnotebook.blogspot.nl/2012/06/how-to-reset-folder-permissions-to.html |
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| 09:30.47 | gour | update to grub-2.02beta solved my issue :-) |
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| 09:31.59 | tuorwork | babilen: 1: what do you mean with your first question? 2: nothing. (i don't know what there are). 3: i just didn't installed the display manager. i just didn't see a reason to install it.. I mean "startx" worked in the past... |
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| 09:32.24 | babilen | Kingsy: You have various options *iff* you can get access to the system. Some of which have been outlined in the blog post given by DotHack. The two basic approaches are: Change permissions to match those of a reference system or to reinstall all packages. |
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| 09:32.57 | Kingsy | babilen: so, I do have access to the system, how would I reenable ssh access? so I can remote in? |
| 09:33.03 | babilen | Kingsy: The former still requires you to setup the reference system (with all packages that were previously installed) which, I would argue, is as much work as simply reinstalling the system in the first place. |
| 09:34.09 | Kingsy | babilen: because ssh just returns connection closed. |
| 09:34.53 | babilen | Kingsy: That method and the second one of reinstalling all packages (you might have to take special care of configuration files here, see <confmiss> and <confnew>) fall short as soon as it comes to *other* data that is not part of packages or, generally speaking, for which you can't easily obtain a copy in a reference/gold/correct state. |
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| 09:36.01 | pw98 | hey, i've got a nas drive attached to a debian server of mine, it's run out of space at 100% i've tried to do rm on some files but says not enough space on deivce to do it, also tried mv filename /dev/null but can't do that it either |
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| 09:36.47 | Kingsy | babilen: I have backed up the config files onto the /home partition , again, when I reinstall I can add the /home to a software RAID without the contents of that drive being effected in anyway? |
| 09:37.13 | babilen | Kingsy: As this seems to be a remote system you would have to gain access via some out-of-band mechanism as you won't be able to fix SSH without accessing the system via SSH in the first place. SSH is particularly tricky as it requires certain files to be in a very specific state (e.g. .authorized_keys is 600) |
| 09:37.30 | Kingsy | babilen: I am accessing the system using ssh |
| 09:37.39 | Kingsy | I have access to the terminal |
| 09:37.40 | babilen | Kingsy: Create backups of you data now. Really, you don't want to mess up more. |
| 09:37.49 | Kingsy | yeah I am doing that |
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| 09:37.59 | Kingsy | I am backing everything up onto /home |
| 09:38.17 | Kingsy | I am trying to make certain this data will not be touched when I re-install |
| 09:38.41 | babilen | tuorwork: Okay, I would recommend to use a display manager as that will take care of initialising the services I mentioned before in such a way that they'll work. Use gdm3 if in doubt. |
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| 09:40.05 | babilen | tuorwork: A lot of functionality on Linux depends on those services as they will, for example, behave differently or offer different actions if they know that a user is sitting in front of the computer rather than being logged into it remotely. There are ways to initialise them manually, but I'd recommend to just use a DM and be done with it. |
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| 09:40.56 | babilen | Kingsy: Just make sure you don't change *anything* on that data. I would also recommend a backup of that data on a second medium such as an external hard drive or other host. |
| 09:41.16 | Kingsy | yeah doing that now just incase |
| 09:41.43 | Kingsy | hehe oh the joy of running a single command by mistake, its because I was using up and down to run through history and I pressed enter by mistake.. haha |
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| 09:42.07 | tuorwork | babilen: ok. i didn't know it. then i'll use it. thx. I'll be back late if it don't help. |
| 09:42.29 | DotHack | kingsley: login with a normal user account instead of root |
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| 09:42.39 | DotHack | Kingsy: ^ |
| 09:42.52 | Kingsy | yeah it was a dumb mistake |
| 09:42.58 | DotHack | Kingsy: and use sudo to gain root privileges |
| 09:44.02 | DotHack | Kingsy: and you can alias chmod to chmod --preserve-root |
| 09:48.54 | pw98 | any one any ideas on my space issue |
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| 09:53.28 | DotHack | pw98: thats weird.. |
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| 09:53.45 | pw98 | :( thats what i thought i should atleast be able to do /dev/null |
| 09:53.52 | DotHack | pw98: is there some trashbin functionality on the nas? |
| 09:54.07 | pw98 | not that i know of |
| 09:54.14 | pw98 | i can't see a folder for it |
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| 09:54.26 | DotHack | pw98: is it nfs mounted? |
| 09:54.44 | pw98 | 10.16.101.46:/nas-002090/backup /mnt/backup nfs rw 0 0 |
| 09:54.45 | pw98 | yes |
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| 09:56.45 | DotHack | pw98: why does rm just work... |
| 09:57.00 | pw98 | root@www1:/mnt/backup/tomcat_sundry1_log# rm tomcat-sundry1.out |
| 09:57.01 | pw98 | rm: cannot remove `tomcat-sundry1.out': No space left on device |
| 09:57.31 | Shadur | pw98: Is something still trying to write to that file? |
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| 09:57.35 | petn-randall | pw98: What kind of filesystem is that? |
| 09:57.49 | pw98 | urm nothing should be writing to do it |
| 09:57.51 | petn-randall | Oh wait, it's NFS. |
| 09:57.58 | pw98 | ah i wonder if it's cause it's mounted on two servers. |
| 09:58.01 | pw98 | might not like it? |
| 09:58.04 | DotHack | pw98: what does the output of df say |
| 09:58.28 | DotHack | pw98: maybe something else is also full |
| 09:58.39 | pw98 | nope server has loads room |
| 09:58.42 | pw98 | just mount full |
| 09:59.12 | petn-randall | pw98: What filesystem is it on the server? |
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| 09:59.46 | DotHack | pw98: maybe nulling the file help? |
| 09:59.55 | DotHack | pw98: like > filename |
| 09:59.59 | pw98 | how would i tell that petn-randall |
| 10:00.08 | pw98 | i tried mv filename > /dev/null |
| 10:00.10 | pw98 | didn't like that |
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| 10:00.31 | DotHack | pw98: what is the filesystem of the nas? is it ZFS? |
| 10:00.42 | pw98 | it's mounted at nfs as above |
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| 10:00.52 | pw98 | 10.16.101.46:/nas-002090/backup /mnt/backup nfs rw 0 0 |
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| 10:01.34 | DotHack | pw98: yeah but the nas also needs to have a local filesystem.. if its ZFS the Copy on Write will probably block because its full |
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| 10:01.50 | pw98 | ah ok |
| 10:01.54 | pw98 | i'm not sure to be fair! |
| 10:02.01 | pw98 | i don't know how i would check either? |
| 10:02.44 | DotHack | pw98: did you try the ¨> filename¨ command already? |
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| 10:03.54 | DotHack | pw98: according to some googling i did this should work.. |
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| 10:04.53 | Kingsy | alright, its back up and running |
| 10:05.00 | Kingsy | haha that was fun |
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| 10:05.30 | petn-randall | DotHack: How should 'mv filename > /dev/null' work? |
| 10:05.59 | DotHack | petn-randall: i did not say ¨mv filename > /dev/null¨... |
| 10:06.12 | tuorwork2 | babilen: hey thx it works now! but the nm-applet ask for keyring... is it this gnome-keyring stuff? |
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| 10:06.25 | pw98 | not sure i understand what you mean DotHack |
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| 10:06.56 | DotHack | pw98: you have this file called tomcat-sundry1.out right? |
| 10:06.56 | SynrG | DotHack: no, but pw98 did. |
| 10:07.02 | pw98 | yup |
| 10:07.29 | DotHack | pw98: enter this command exaclty: > tomcat-sundry1.out |
| 10:07.29 | SynrG | you need to understand 'mv' doesn't produce any output ... |
| 10:07.42 | SynrG | pw98: so 'mv filename > /dev/null' is utter nonsense |
| 10:07.52 | pw98 | ah ok |
| 10:07.55 | pw98 | i see what you mean! :) |
| 10:08.11 | petn-randall | DotHack: Ah, that's what pw98 said, I assumed he just repeated it. 'truncate -s 0 filename' should work, though. |
| 10:08.22 | DotHack | pw98: this will nullify the file and you should be able to remove the afterwards |
| 10:08.26 | SynrG | pw98: in english that reads as "redirect the output from 'mv filename' to /dev/null" |
| 10:08.56 | DotHack | petn-randall: im glad thats clear :P |
| 10:09.01 | pw98 | ah right i get what ya mean |
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| 10:09.58 | pw98 | tru truncate -s 0 tomcat-sundry1.out |
| 10:09.58 | pw98 | truncate: truncating `tomcat-sundry1.out' at 0 bytes: No space left on device |
| 10:10.14 | pw98 | never run out of space before! normally a good sys admin, but 6 days holiday and it's all gone wrong! :( |
| 10:10.59 | pw98 | but DotHack doing mv bah > /dev/null then rm bah worked :) |
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| 10:11.44 | DotHack | pw98: huh? thats not what i said to do... |
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| 10:12.15 | pw98 | no but you said it would nullify the file and then remove it after ;) |
| 10:12.15 | babilen | why did that work‽ |
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| 10:13.04 | DotHack | pw98: no i said ¨> bah¨ would nullify the file not: ¨mv bah > /dev/null¨ |
| 10:13.11 | pw98 | ah my bad! |
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| 10:13.31 | pw98 | this must have some kinda hidden trash bin.. |
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| 10:13.54 | SynrG | no. it just truncates the file |
| 10:14.24 | pw98 | nar, i've just deleted like 15gb of files and i've only got 600 meg free :\ |
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| 10:14.43 | SynrG | literally "write nothing to the file 'bah', replacing its former contents" |
| 10:14.50 | DotHack | pw98: there is probably some reserved space |
| 10:15.05 | SynrG | exactly |
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| 10:15.30 | DotHack | pw98: this is extra space command like df wont show |
| 10:15.57 | Kingsy | DotHack: so, the /home/ directory is fine!! which is good.. the only folder which is suspect is lost+found |
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| 10:16.07 | Kingsy | I guess this should be owned by root? |
| 10:16.16 | pw98 | hmm i see what your saying |
| 10:16.47 | DotHack | Kingsy: can you change permissions of this folder? i thought it was part of the filesystem |
| 10:17.06 | Kingsy | I did it with sudo by mistake.. before I re-installed the os |
| 10:17.09 | Lucretia | anyone know why i would be getting "qemu: symbol lookup error: qemu: undefined symbol: libusb_get_port_numbers" every time i try to run qemu? debian testing |
| 10:17.17 | Kingsy | DotHack: it was a part of the problem |
| 10:17.23 | DotHack | Kingsy: in my system it is owned by root and has 700 permissions |
| 10:17.35 | Kingsy | great changing it back now |
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| 10:17.52 | Kingsy | done |
| 10:18.03 | Kingsy | alright, looks like we are back up and runnign |
| 10:18.05 | Kingsy | haha that was fun |
| 10:18.11 | Kingsy | my stupid mistake |
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| 10:19.47 | pw98 | thats better :) 100gb free! :) |
| 10:19.50 | pw98 | thanks for ya help |
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| 10:20.27 | SynrG | Lucretia: no, but you might ask on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net which supports testing |
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| 10:21.39 | osfd | I would like to try this http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ which needs to know my soundcard |
| 10:21.59 | osfd | how do I know the /dev to which my soundcard emits ? |
| 10:22.04 | osfd | please |
| 10:22.05 | Lucretia | SynrG: thanks |
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| 10:34.39 | DotHack | pw98: no problem. |
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| 10:38.18 | DotHack | shoudl i use aptitude or just apt-get.. |
| 10:38.41 | antranigv | Hay there, any good Hosting panel ? I use my own PC as server for my blogs and sites... I'm used to Cpanel and DirectAdmin :)) thanks in Advance. |
| 10:39.19 | somiaj | DotHack: use either, they are different tools and sometimes one will work better than the other |
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| 10:39.24 | somiaj | DotHack: for most things use the one you like better |
| 10:39.39 | somiaj | DotHack: /msg dpkg why apt-get, /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 10:40.25 | somiaj | antranigv: are you using your own PC to host multiple webpages and domains with lots of users, or just using it to host your own stuff? |
| 10:40.41 | DotHack | thnx! |
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| 10:40.56 | antranigv | somiaj: me and my friends stuff, and family email |
| 10:41.37 | somiaj | antranigv: personally to me a configuration tool like Cpanel sounds like overkill. Might be worth learning how to set up such a thing manually. with only a few users I think it will be easier to matain in the long run. |
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| 10:42.39 | antranigv | somiaj: any good links ? as I'd like to do everything using Terminal. |
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| 10:44.24 | somiaj | antranigv: I don't have any, but this could be a good place to ask questions as you work your way though it. |
| 10:44.45 | somiaj | antranigv: users just use tools like adduser and configure the permissions for their webpages. |
| 10:45.09 | antranigv | somiaj: cool, thanks! I'll try, and ask if I need help.! |
| 10:45.18 | somiaj | antranigv: to set up various domains, configure apache or lighthttpd (your webserver) to understand the different vhosts. If you need a name server, bind is popular though you have other choices. |
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| 10:46.13 | antranigv | somiaj: I'll start with apache and setting up DNS for now |
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| 10:48.20 | somiaj | antranigv: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-debian-7 -- seems like a simple setup guide |
| 10:48.55 | spidernik | hi guys. Any good soul who can assist me a bit with partman? I'm trying to achieve raid + lvm + crypto via some external udeb. It looks like |
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| 10:49.34 | spidernik | this udeb is not compatible with the current version of partman: it fails with an "illegal number" error. Possibly due to some internal partman |
| 10:49.44 | spidernik | function having been changed. |
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| 10:52.12 | Kingsy | why might it be that I cant chown on a directory if the user I am logged in as owns that dir? |
| 10:52.29 | Kingsy | surely you don't have to be sudo to chown if you already own it |
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| 10:56.04 | talin | hello. i have a vmdk and vmx file of a debian server (previously a vmware guest). i want to install it on a physical server... does the debian installation set any driver specific parameters or anything that is likely to need changing? |
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| 11:00.09 | SynrG | talin: the persistent udev stuff |
| 11:00.26 | SynrG | talin: see /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 11:00.37 | SynrG | talin: umm, the grub devices.map |
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| 11:00.48 | SynrG | /etc/fstab ... |
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| 11:01.00 | talin | hmm, so pretty painful. |
| 11:01.08 | SynrG | not really |
| 11:01.11 | talin | just considering whether i should just reinstall debian and do all the config |
| 11:01.20 | SynrG | nah. just a few little fixups |
| 11:01.35 | SynrG | grub-mkdevicemap to regen the devices.map |
| 11:01.56 | SynrG | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid and see the new UUID |
| 11:02.05 | SynrG | fix the /etc/fstab |
| 11:02.14 | SynrG | and just remove the udev crap |
| 11:02.24 | SynrG | it will be auto regenerated on next boot anyway |
| 11:02.49 | sandman13 | sometimes while using KDE on Debian Wheezy I get errors like failed to connect to D-Bus, Lancelot, is this normal? |
| 11:02.55 | SynrG | oh, an run update-grub to regenerate grub with new config. maybe update-initramfs too |
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| 11:03.03 | SynrG | and* |
| 11:03.17 | SynrG | talin: no worse than any other hardware swap |
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| 11:07.54 | talin | SynrG: thanks. i will consider it :-) |
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| 11:08.31 | SynrG | !hard drive upgrade |
| 11:08.31 | dpkg | well, hard drive upgrade is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/ |
| 11:08.42 | SynrG | heh. a bit dated ... that howto mentions LILO? :) |
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| 11:09.22 | SynrG | and "make a boot diskette" :) |
| 11:10.00 | shingouz | lilo still works and some computers do not boot off cd's or usb. unbelievable but true |
| 11:10.21 | talin | SynrG: good idea - will do |
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| 11:11.35 | SynrG | talin: just to be perfectly clear, *don't* follow that HOWTO, as it is too out of date :p |
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| 11:11.58 | SynrG | talin: but hard drive upgrade is mostly what this is about, and is something you should know how to do regardless |
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| 11:15.26 | balor | In my debian/changelog file, can I have multiple "product (version) target; urgency=low" lines to target both stable and unstable? |
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| 11:21.04 | Kingsy | can someone recommend a good file manager? I am using thunar but its smb support is horrible.. it works "sometimes" |
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| 11:21.52 | neglesaks | ...nautilus? |
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| 11:22.13 | SynrG | pcmanfm? |
| 11:22.16 | Kingsy | yeah I could try that |
| 11:22.19 | Kingsy | its gnome right? |
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| 11:22.40 | Kingsy | installing now |
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| 11:25.14 | neglesaks | nautilus is Gnome, yes. |
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| 11:30.51 | petn-randall | Kingsy: They all work with the gvfs backend, so they will probably all be the same level of 'horrible'. It might be worth to debug the actual issue, though. |
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| 11:34.16 | tuorwork | hi, i have done this: "addgroup srv; adduser tuor srv ; chmod g+w /srv/" "ls -la /srv/": drwxrwxr-x 2 root srv 4096 Apr 17 11:14 . |
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| 11:34.46 | tuorwork | but i can't still dont write somthing in this folder.... why? |
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| 11:35.10 | petn-randall | tuorwork: You need to log out and in to have the group changes take effect. |
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| 11:35.49 | tuorwork | petn-randall: completly? |
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| 11:36.16 | petn-randall | tuorwork: I guess so. Can you only log out a little bit? |
| 11:37.00 | tuorwork | petn-randall: i mean i can close the shell and open it again. |
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| 11:39.16 | babilen | tuorwork: No, that wouldn't work. Is a complete relogin not an option for you? Good to hear that NM is working for you now and it is indeed gnome-keyring stuff. Look into libpam-gnome-keyring if you want to unlock on login. |
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| 11:42.50 | tuorwork | babilen: petn-randall: yes it's not a problem. just if i don't need it, then i don't need to close all my progs. thx for the hint libpam-... i'll see how to bring it to work. :) thx guys! |
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| 12:08.40 | tedd | hello, can i update "base-files 7.1wheezy5" via synaptic in proposed update on my i686 ? |
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| 12:11.10 | babilen | tedd: I never use synaptic, but what does "apt-cache policy base-files" give you? |
| 12:11.16 | babilen | (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 12:11.26 | wols | ,v base-files |
| 12:11.27 | judd | Package: base-files on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0squeeze9; wheezy: 7.1wheezy4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.1wheezy5; jessie: 7.2; sid: 7.2 |
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| 12:12.44 | tedd | judd , thank's : so, it's ok and secure: wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.1wheezy5 |
| 12:13.36 | babilen | tedd: judd is a bot. What exactly do you mean by "can i update" ? Are you asking about your capability or are you asking if it is advisable to do so? |
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| 12:15.50 | tedd | babilen i just make update with synaptic, but on debian, it's always 7.4 .... so i would to know if it was an official update.... or a bug, or a fake update |
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| 12:17.11 | tedd | so now, i'm on 7.5 |
| 12:17.15 | tedd | lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy) Release:7.5 Codename:wheezy |
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| 12:18.03 | tedd | thank's <babilen> |
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| 12:19.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell tedd -about wheezy-proposed-updates |
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| 12:20.28 | babilen | tedd: Read the message our bot sent you in private. It should shed some light as to what the proposed-updates repos being used for. Not sure why you enabled it, but they are official. |
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| 12:24.06 | tedd | babilen Ok, i see the bot message, thank's .... do you think i must disable proposed update ? |
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| 12:26.14 | themill | you'll get all of them next weekend in any case |
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| 12:27.02 | babilen | tedd: It is really your personal decision, but the more conservative choice would be to *not* use them, but to wait for the next point release |
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| 13:45.04 | krispis78 | hello |
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| 13:45.17 | krispis78 | i have a problem when atry to execute a script sh |
| 13:45.40 | krispis78 | Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 13:45.49 | krispis78 | can you help me please? |
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| 13:46.16 | krispis78 | im new in debian |
| 13:46.27 | linedash | krispis78: what is the first line of the script? |
| 13:46.33 | linedash | #!/bin/bash ? |
| 13:46.34 | krispis78 | i i don´t stand what´s happend |
| 13:46.37 | linedash | or #!/bin/sh |
| 13:46.42 | krispis78 | hi |
| 13:47.15 | krispis78 | a |
| 13:47.23 | krispis78 | is in /home |
| 13:47.35 | linedash | that's not what I asked |
| 13:47.37 | linedash | the first line of the script |
| 13:47.40 | krispis78 | in /home/directory |
| 13:47.43 | linedash | is it #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh |
| 13:47.50 | krispis78 | ok |
| 13:47.56 | krispis78 | wait a moment i see |
| 13:48.48 | krispis78 | !/bin/sh |
| 13:48.56 | krispis78 | this is the firt line |
| 13:49.06 | linedash | then ask in |
| 13:49.07 | linedash | #sh |
| 13:49.16 | krispis78 | firsis a chanel? |
| 13:49.17 | linedash | this is a shell scripting question not a debian question |
| 13:49.22 | krispis78 | ok |
| 13:49.24 | babilen | krispis78: Are you trying to write a BASH script? |
| 13:49.26 | krispis78 | thanks |
| 13:49.31 | krispis78 | i go |
| 13:49.35 | themill | krispis78: is that the exact first lie? or something else? |
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| 13:49.50 | babilen | What else did you lie about? |
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| 13:49.58 | babilen | tightens the thumbscrews |
| 13:50.20 | themill | ugh |
| 13:50.21 | babilen | krispis78: You have to use /bin/bash if you want bash as /bin/sh might very well get you dash on Debian |
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| 13:53.41 | VUAbot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of koma) |
| 13:54.18 | undead_rattler | anyone in here ever messed with an lsi raid controller? |
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| 14:00.25 | aZz7eCh | okay so, guys. haswell i5 system ... on doing a fresh deb7 install, get "gnome3 failed to start" message in top right message alert. not sure what i have done, but have gotten the message to stop coming up, however, I'm still not seeing the gnome3 desktop... its still just a cut down slightly diff to gnome2 look ... i'm at a complete loss as to what to do .. anyone have experience with |
| 14:00.25 | aZz7eCh | haswell chipsets / video drivers with this latest stable release of deb7 ? |
| 14:01.43 | gb | any hints/howto for recovering from a udev issue involving modules.dep and most recent kernel leaving me at an ash shell at bootup or a broken usb/x if i choose an old kernel? |
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| 14:02.41 | nwe | what can of monitoring soloutions are you guys using nagios,zabbix,zenoss,icinga? |
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| 14:11.00 | petn-randall | nwe: I'm happily using Icinga, though I've only really used Nagios before. |
| 14:11.09 | babilen | icinga++ |
| 14:11.18 | undead_rattler | is using spiceworks |
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| 14:11.51 | xand | n 23 |
| 14:12.01 | linedash | for those thinking of using nagios or icinga |
| 14:12.02 | linedash | check out nconf |
| 14:12.04 | undead_rattler | nagios/icinga work well when they've been set up correctly. However, they are also incredibly intrusive and exhausting to sort through. |
| 14:12.10 | linedash | it automates the config creation |
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| 14:17.57 | petn-randall | Icinga/Nagios take a day to read into. But after that you just define your templates, and stuff them into groups. Adding a new server is only about 10 lines of config, including all the services. |
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| 14:23.18 | gb | ahh right this aint the #debian which used to here with clueful people within it |
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| 14:24.24 | jelly | tries to be clueful without it |
| 14:24.34 | xand | bye then |
| 14:24.44 | themill | I assume we used to be better at ESP. |
| 14:25.22 | aZz7eCh | never mind him |
| 14:25.28 | aZz7eCh | solve my gnome3 issue |
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| 14:28.50 | tuorwork | hi, is it possible to copy a file "a.txt" to the folder "/tmp/" and give the same rights than the new folder. ex: (olddir: /home/usr/ ; newdir: /tmp/ ; oldrights: 600 ; newrights 666) |
| 14:29.00 | jelly | themill: you'd think that! |
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| 14:29.31 | petn-randall | themill: EFI system partition? |
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| 14:31.26 | babilen | tuorwork: chmod --reference=/new/directory /new/directory/a.txt ? |
| 14:31.52 | shomon | hi, how do you read .vnt files on debian? |
| 14:32.03 | shomon | it's from android memo.. an app I thought would send as plaintext |
| 14:32.07 | shomon | damn proprietary stuff... |
| 14:32.14 | babilen | tuorwork: Please note that directory and file permissions typically differ (due to dirs being +x) |
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| 14:33.06 | babilen | tuorwork: And /tmp is also not 666 |
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| 14:33.30 | tuorwork | babilen: ah yes. thats right. |
| 14:33.50 | babilen | tuorwork: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 14:36.55 | tuorwork | copy stuff frm the backup to my pc and when i copy in a folder i just want that user who can read/write the folder, can read/write the copied files. I know i can du it manualy. the point is, that i forget it some times and i need to do it every time. so i just had the idea, meaby its possible. but, yes a directory has not the same rights.. |
| 14:37.07 | tuorwork | babilen: oh this was for you |
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| 14:38.20 | babilen | tuorwork: I'd rather look into encrypted backups |
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| 14:39.56 | tuorwork | babilen: i don't untherstand what do you mean. sry |
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| 14:45.56 | babilen | tuorwork: If you don't trust the system where you'll keep your backups I'd rather look into encrypting your backups than trying to set permissions correctly |
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| 14:46.11 | Sbroker` | hi.... |
| 14:47.55 | babilen | Sbroker`: What can we do for you? |
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| 14:48.35 | Sbroker` | (off topic) giveme all you money... lol |
| 14:48.45 | Sbroker` | *your |
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| 14:50.01 | tuorwork | babilen: it's not a problem of trust. old: 600 root root new: 666 root root its everybody can read it. it's was just an idea for more easyer work then: cp /mnt/ext/nnn /home/user/nnn : chmod 666 /home/user/nnn . it was just an idea for changing my workingprocess.. ;) |
| 14:50.25 | babilen | Sbroker`: You are well aware of what this channel is being used for. Please keep off-topic chat somewhere else and there really is no need to say *anything* when you join. (Just imagine if all 1600+ people in here would do that) |
| 14:50.59 | Sbroker` | ... |
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| 14:53.31 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: You've already been told this already many times. Our patience isn't limitless. |
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| 14:57.00 | Sbroker` | Yes sure... iTs very annoying to read two letters ... H +I |
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| 15:00.14 | babilen | Sbroker`: Yes, it would be very annoying if everybody who does not have an issue but simply joins the channel to announce their presence. We've been over this before and I would kindly ask you to observe proper IRC etiquette before being active on the channel again. |
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| 15:00.44 | Twinkletoes | update-rc.d doesn't list the run/stop levels of the services, it only changes them (AFAIK). Is there a standard alternative to use that can adjsut the runlevels and list the existing? |
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| 15:10.56 | giorgiodinapoli | i use chrooting with pam and theres the /etc/security/chroot.conf where i add users but its not respected. if i add those users to /etc/ssh/sshd_config via match and CHrootDirectory it works |
| 15:11.04 | giorgiodinapoli | what am i doing wrong, why is it no respected? |
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| 15:11.39 | cccc---- | If I want to open UDP\TCP with ip tables how do i do that? |
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| 15:11.43 | cccc---- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.45 | cccc---- | is this proper? |
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| 15:12.51 | jelly | cccc----: no, use two separate rules, one for tcp one for udp |
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| 15:13.12 | cccc---- | like that? |
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| 15:13.22 | Alpaka | good evening ... or a good day for anyone who doesn't have evening yet |
| 15:14.36 | Alpaka | I've got a problem installing debian on a "clean" computer ... I managed to boot the installation cd; some data on it seems to be corrupted, though - select&install software fails |
| 15:15.07 | jelly | cccc----: you may or may not need to specify -m tcp or -m udp before -p tcp or -p udp respectively |
| 15:15.21 | Alpaka | I can switch to a terminal (busybox) and ping google, though - is there any chance to continue installation as network-based install? |
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| 15:16.13 | average | Alpaka: get an USB stick, get an iso, throw that iso on that stick with sudo cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb (if your USB stick is sdb) |
| 15:16.22 | average | although the CD install should work too |
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| 15:17.43 | cccc---- | root@zeus:~# iptables -I INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 1935 -j ACCEPTroot@zeus:~# iptables -I INPUT -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 1935 -j ACCEPT |
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| 15:17.57 | cccc---- | jelly: would I get an error message if there's an issue |
| 15:18.06 | average | dpkg: tell Alpaka -about paste |
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| 15:18.31 | average | Alpaka: you should paste the errors you're getting somewhere, although it might be hard since you don't have a working system.. |
| 15:19.04 | cccc---- | how can I view all my open ports? |
| 15:19.08 | cccc---- | i need to be sure 1935 is open |
| 15:19.12 | cccc---- | and was that incoming or outgoing? |
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| 15:19.39 | average | cccc----: sudo netstat -alupnet |
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| 15:20.26 | Alpaka | graphical install says "Select&Install software failed. Try again or skip from menu"; dmesg says something about I/O errors reading from disc (hash sum error for xserver-packages) |
| 15:20.37 | jelly | cccc----: if it's syntactically correct, you won't get any error... even if the rules is silly and gets you cut off from the machine |
| 15:21.09 | jelly | cccc----: the same applies if previous rules in the chain make it meaningless |
| 15:21.15 | average | Alpaka: then your CD is probably damaged in some way |
| 15:21.31 | cccc---- | jelly did that command open incoming and outgoing? |
| 15:21.46 | cccc---- | root@zeus:~# iptables -I INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 1935 -j ACCEPTroot@zeus:~# iptables -I INPUT -m state --state NEW -p udp --dport 1935 -j ACCEPT |
| 15:21.47 | average | Alpaka: burn another CD and use md5sum/sha1sum to check the package hashes before starting the install |
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| 15:23.05 | Alpaka | the blank cd was the last to be found in this house ... I'll try getting somewhere using a usb drive with the original image on it |
| 15:23.46 | dimitry7 | Hello good day guys. I've been searching a package to install Safe Squid on debian, but there seems to be no package, is it ok if I install it from sources?? |
| 15:23.53 | Alpaka | (the second computer available is running windows 8 and I didn't get anywhere trying to get linux running half a year ago) |
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| 15:26.11 | cccc---- | jelly: did that open incoming and outgoing? |
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| 15:27.11 | jelly | cccc----: INPUT chain is only relevant for incoming packets; whether you're actually opening anything depends on the default policy for that chain, and any rules that come before that one. I'm not sure what to recommend to read about iptables basics |
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| 15:27.35 | petn-randall | lartc.org is a good primer, IIRC. |
| 15:27.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell cccc---- about netfilter docs |
| 15:27.57 | average | dimitry7: isn't safe squid commercial software ? |
| 15:27.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell cccc---- about iptables |
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| 15:28.41 | average | dimitry7: also, what does it really offer on top of what the regular squid ? |
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| 15:29.08 | average | dimitry7: they don't provide debian packages afaics on their website |
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| 15:32.26 | armin | hi, anyone an idea how to find out why lightdm doesn't display any icons but just "placeholder" icons for them? |
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| 15:34.41 | armin | nvm, fixed it |
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| 15:35.20 | ayaskanti | I cannot boot debian live disk on mac because it is asking me username and password .. (I used a efi grub to load the debian kernel, I do not know what parameter I should use there to bypass user prompt) |
| 15:35.33 | jelly | armin: what was the fix |
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| 15:36.16 | armin | jelly: installed some icon-theme packages. probably the problem was that i default to not install recommended/suggested packages in apt. |
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| 15:37.10 | armin | at least that's my assumption. :) |
| 15:37.15 | jelly | hard to figure out what times those be actually needed |
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| 15:40.57 | Alpaka | alright ... seems like the CD issue didn't affect anything before X installation, a working base system has been installed anyway - I'll pull the plug from this computer and try to get somewhere using apt :) |
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| 15:41.23 | Alpaka | thanks for your advice, average :) |
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| 15:41.46 | armin | jelly: since lightdm didn't even log anything, yes. |
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| 15:43.45 | dimitry7 | average, Hello average. It's because I can't do content filtering with Squid only |
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| 15:46.47 | dimitry7 | average, ohh squid guard, right? |
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| 15:48.22 | matlock | ok when i highlight a url, this little menu comes up offering 'open in firefox, open in mozilla, etc etc' is that built into debian (wheezy) or would that be another package that I haphazardly installed? I ask because it's really annoying when i just wanna copy paste |
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| 15:50.26 | giorgiodinapoli | what the diffrence between /etc/security/chroot.confa dn defining the users in/etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 15:50.30 | average | dimitry7: don't know if squid guard. But I really don't think you need a commercial product for this |
| 15:50.53 | average | dimitry7: maybe squid guard. I'm not well versed with squid & stuff about squid, but I can point you to their mailing list if you want.. |
| 15:51.09 | average | dimitry7: they also have a channel here on Freenode called #squid |
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| 15:51.32 | matlock | is anyone familiar with this 'feature'? |
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| 15:52.07 | average | matlock: what are you talking about ? |
| 15:52.21 | matlock | ok when i highlight a url, this little menu comes up offering 'open in firefox, open in mozilla, etc etc' is that built into debian (wheezy) or would that be another package that I haphazardly installed? I ask because it's really annoying when i just wanna copy paste |
| 15:52.29 | average | stop pasting the same message |
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| 15:52.38 | average | I read it once, give details about the context |
| 15:52.49 | matlock | i double click a url to hilight it |
| 15:52.52 | matlock | a menu appears |
| 15:52.55 | matlock | it's annoying |
| 15:52.57 | average | where do you double click said url ? |
| 15:53.04 | matlock | anywhere |
| 15:53.07 | matlock | it can be in gedit |
| 15:53.10 | dimitry7 | average, I know, sorry I didn't know it was commercial, I mistook it with Squid Guard. Yes thank you. I think squid guad will solve my issue :-) |
| 15:53.18 | matlock | irssi in terminal, firefox, chrome, anywhere |
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| 15:53.48 | average | matlock: I can't confirm this on a clean Debian jessie install |
| 15:53.58 | matlock | ok |
| 15:53.59 | average | matlock: I think you should also mention what packages you've installed |
| 15:54.05 | bin_sh | matlock: you have to set your default browser |
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| 15:54.18 | bin_sh | although if it happens in firefox and chrome then that's off |
| 15:54.21 | bin_sh | odd* |
| 15:54.22 | matlock | bin_sh, i'm pretty sure i did. |
| 15:55.07 | matlock | bin_sh, what's the gui for that? |
| 15:55.11 | bin_sh | idk |
| 15:55.18 | average | matlock: aptitude search menu | grep "^i" |
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| 15:55.28 | average | matlock: maybe you've installed some weird package that does this |
| 15:56.24 | average | dimitry7: cool |
| 15:56.28 | matlock | hmm it could be related to freedesktop |
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| 16:04.13 | matlock | omg |
| 16:04.21 | matlock | it's from clipper > extension of cairo-dock |
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| 16:24.26 | mutex | so I am trying to download a package with apt-get download tzdata |
| 16:24.38 | mutex | but apt-get says it cannot find tzdata:amd64 |
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| 16:24.57 | mutex | ... so I checked it out, and tzdata only exists in binary-all packages, so why is apt-get looking in amd64 ? |
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| 16:26.13 | Beliq | I've a server, which I want to make on some VPSs, can someone recommend a method for virtualisation ? |
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| 16:28.05 | mutex | Beliq: I like libvirt and kvm |
| 16:28.10 | frostschutz | Beliq, KVM is nice |
| 16:28.25 | average | mutex: perhaps because it contains only data, and that isn't amd64/i386 specific, it's just data |
| 16:28.38 | mutex | well I understand what is wrong |
| 16:28.43 | mutex | but why doesn't apt-get |
| 16:28.46 | wonko | i'm a long time vmware guy and I have to say that I do like KVM a lot |
| 16:28.50 | wonko | RHEV sucks though |
| 16:28.50 | totte | Beliq: I like Xen myself, haven't tried KVM yet. |
| 16:29.04 | mutex | I think it's a bug |
| 16:29.10 | mutex | apt-get install tzdata works |
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| 16:29.26 | average | mutex: why are you trying to install tzdata:amd64 instead of just simply tzdata ? |
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| 16:30.02 | Beliq | mutex, frostschutz, totte what about OpenStack ? Any thought on that |
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| 16:30.42 | totte | Oh also there is LXC I believe? It's somewhat new but looks interesting. |
| 16:31.22 | petn-randall | Beliq: Strongly depends on what you want to achieve, and what setup you prefer. You can do virtualization on a lot of things nowadays. |
| 16:31.25 | daemonkeeper | LXC is not for virtualization. |
| 16:31.35 | daemonkeeper | LXC provides container isolation. |
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| 16:32.01 | totte | daemonkeeper: Huh? Maybe I confused it with something else then... |
| 16:32.03 | Beliq | petn-randall nothing too fancy, just a couple of different OS on the same server, under same IP |
| 16:32.17 | daemonkeeper | As such it is comparable to Linux vServer or OpenVZ/Virtuozzo. |
| 16:32.25 | daemonkeeper | It does not compete with KVM and Xen. |
| 16:32.34 | Beliq | or I need, to run DNS server in any case? |
| 16:32.56 | totte | daemonkeeper: Oh yeah I mean it's not bare metal like Xen and KVM, but it's still a solution in some cases. |
| 16:32.57 | Beliq | Yes, I am looking at OpenVZ |
| 16:33.15 | daemonkeeper | KVM is not bare metal either :> |
| 16:33.32 | daemonkeeper | Xen is a bare metal hypervisor, KVM runs within the Linux kernel. |
| 16:33.42 | totte | Beliq: I'm not sure what OpenVZ is like in Debian, I believe I went with Xen for some reason. Initially I was considering OpenVZ. |
| 16:33.54 | daemonkeeper | OpenVZ is merely dead. |
| 16:33.56 | daemonkeeper | Don't use it. |
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| 16:34.21 | Beliq | Xen, came to my attention way more often than OpenVZ |
| 16:34.38 | Beliq | could be legit worried from daemonkeeper :D |
| 16:34.40 | totte | daemonkeeper: No I think it's still alive over at Red Hat. |
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| 16:35.02 | totte | Or was it Virtuozzo? |
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| 16:35.36 | daemonkeeper | Same thing. |
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| 16:36.14 | daemonkeeper | Virtuozzo is the commercial leg of OpenVZ. OpenVZ is based on ancient kernels and I don't think there is an update coming anytime soon. |
| 16:36.39 | daemonkeeper | It's alive for RHEL/SLES folks but that's about it. |
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| 16:37.10 | daemonkeeper | Judge yourself: http://download.openvz.org/kernel/ |
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| 16:38.04 | Beliq | Thanks folks, I will give a try with XEN |
| 16:39.40 | totte | Beliq: I dunnu what your skill level is but their wiki is very nice and helped me getting started, see e.g. http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide. |
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| 16:42.54 | daemonkeeper | First of all you may want to decide if you need container isolation or virtualization. |
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| 16:44.01 | Beliq | What's the main point for decision ? |
| 16:44.07 | daemonkeeper | Your use case? |
| 16:44.46 | totte | Cool word, "containerization". |
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| 16:46.10 | Beliq | daemonkeeper, I need CPU and memory quotas. Basically I want the bigger part of to be dedicated and the rest I just want to give to other people to use as private VPS or whatever they need to do. |
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| 16:47.11 | Beliq | currently I'm using chroot to share with others, but that turns out to be way too limited |
| 16:47.41 | petern_ | Is Xen still supported with Wheezy? |
| 16:47.44 | daemonkeeper | Virtualization gives the guest full autonomy. They can run their own kernel, their own modules and even operating systems. That comes at a performance trade-off. |
| 16:47.55 | daemonkeeper | Container isolation gives you a chroot on steroids. |
| 16:48.09 | Beliq | Yes, that I am correctly looking into virtualisation methods |
| 16:48.16 | Beliq | *then |
| 16:48.18 | daemonkeeper | Better isolation, network isolation, but all running under your host kernel. |
| 16:48.27 | daemonkeeper | And less secure. |
| 16:48.32 | daemonkeeper | petern_: Of course. |
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| 16:49.01 | petern_ | I know vserver & openvz were dropped in favour of lxc. Wasn't sure about xen. |
| 16:49.13 | daemonkeeper | Different playground as said. |
| 16:49.15 | petern_ | Xen is rather different to those though. |
| 16:49.40 | daemonkeeper | Xen/KVM are both supported in Debian and the vanilla kernel. |
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| 16:54.27 | Colloguy | I installed a version of a package from experimental, and want to downgrade it back to the jessie version. How do I do this? apt-get install PKG=VERSION doesn't do anything |
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| 16:54.46 | Colloguy | This doesn't do anything either: apt-get install -t jessie PKG=VERSION |
| 16:55.13 | SynrG | which specific package |
| 16:55.17 | Colloguy | xfdesktop4 |
| 16:55.21 | SynrG | and what *exact* command are you typing |
| 16:55.26 | SynrG | ,v xfdesktop4 |
| 16:55.27 | judd | Package: xfdesktop4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2-1+b1; wheezy: 4.8.3-2; jessie: 4.10.2-3; sid: 4.10.2-3; experimental: 4.11.3-2 |
| 16:55.45 | Colloguy | I have 4.11.5-1, to downgrade I try: |
| 16:55.58 | Colloguy | sudo apt-get install xfdesktop4=4.10.2-3 |
| 16:56.02 | SynrG | also, what is the output (provide at paste.debian.net, please) of "apt-cache policy xfdesktop4"? |
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| 16:57.00 | SynrG | also, what does "doesn't work" look like? provide output at paste.debian.net of output of "apt-get install xfdesktop4=4.10.2-3" |
| 16:57.13 | Colloguy | http://paste.debian.net/95276/ |
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| 16:58.10 | Colloguy | http://paste.debian.net/95277/ |
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| 16:59.30 | SynrG | try: apt-get install xfdesktop4=4.10.2-3 xfdesktop4-data=4.10.2-3 |
| 17:00.38 | SynrG | ,v libxfce4ui-1-0 |
| 17:00.39 | judd | Package: libxfce4ui-1-0 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.8.1-1; jessie: 4.10.0-5; sid: 4.10.0-5; experimental: 4.11.1-2 |
| 17:00.44 | SynrG | probably that blocks it too |
| 17:00.44 | Colloguy | oh, it fails because the newer xfdesktop4-data depends on the newer version xfdesktop4? |
| 17:01.02 | Colloguy | thought it was the other way around |
| 17:01.02 | SynrG | try: apt-get install xfdesktop4=4.10.2-3 xfdesktop4-data=4.10.2-3 libxfce4ui-1-0=4.10.0-5 |
| 17:01.22 | SynrG | and iterate until you have all the higher versioned deps for xfdesktop4 reverted back to jessie versions |
| 17:01.39 | Colloguy | okay, it is actually removing stuff now! |
| 17:01.47 | SynrG | this might not be good ... |
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| 17:02.00 | SynrG | don't say "yes" if the removals look like they'll break your system |
| 17:02.16 | Colloguy | hotcha |
| 17:02.19 | Colloguy | gotcha |
| 17:02.26 | SynrG | also, see #debian-next for testing/unstable support ... |
| 17:02.28 | SynrG | and also beware: |
| 17:02.30 | SynrG | !sns |
| 17:02.31 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:03.24 | SynrG | what problem were you trying to solve by using the one in experimental? |
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| 17:03.49 | Colloguy | I wanted per-desktop wallpapers and to see if xfdesktop4 has more icon arrangement options |
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| 17:04.08 | Colloguy | yes to the former, no to the latter, so I'm just going to try another desktop manager |
| 17:04.11 | SynrG | so, that resembles SNS :) |
| 17:04.30 | Colloguy | # by the way, in general, when downgraded |
| 17:04.52 | Colloguy | when downgrading, you have to downgrade each dependency that was updated manually, right? |
| 17:05.03 | SynrG | yeah. and that may or may not work due to: |
| 17:05.05 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 17:05.05 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:05.36 | Colloguy | eww, I see |
| 17:06.00 | SynrG | so mixing in experimental is basically inviting problems ... |
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| 17:06.07 | SynrG | probably better to use a VM for that |
| 17:06.14 | SynrG | not your main system |
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| 17:07.18 | Colloguy | got it, thank you! |
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| 17:11.07 | xreal | In bash shell, my dialog boxes show crazy letters instead of nice lines. locales is set to UTF8, putty is set to UTF8. Anyone with an idea? |
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| 17:14.51 | SynrG | xreal: font? |
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| 17:15.31 | Ntec | hi |
| 17:15.51 | SynrG | xreal: i assume you mean putty on windows connecting to a debian wheezy box? |
| 17:16.07 | xreal | SynrG: Exactly. |
| 17:16.25 | Ntec | a little question ,i've made a fresh install |
| 17:17.02 | Ntec | to use sudo on a simple terminal ,i need to add user sudo |
| 17:17.04 | Ntec | ? |
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| 17:17.55 | SynrG | xreal: echo $TERM |
| 17:18.03 | undead_rattler | Ntec: sudo is just a program that lets you run other programs as another user. |
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| 17:18.30 | undead_rattler | If you want to add users to the sudo group, they can use sudo, or you can add users manually with the visudo command |
| 17:18.47 | xreal | SynrG: xterm |
| 17:19.29 | Ntec | when i launch a script ,it ask me for pswd with a sudo command |
| 17:19.45 | Ntec | so i need to add my user like this ? |
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| 17:19.57 | SynrG | xreal: i can reproduce that result using winxp + putty + wheezy, yes (using 'iptraf' as my test program) |
| 17:20.00 | undead_rattler | that would be your user's password |
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| 17:20.12 | Ntec | su root |
| 17:20.12 | Ntec | adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo |
| 17:20.36 | xreal | SynrG: I think, all ncurses apps have this problem. |
| 17:20.40 | undead_rattler | Ntec: does your user already exist? |
| 17:20.45 | Ntec | there's no risk to add user like root everytime |
| 17:20.58 | Ntec | ? |
| 17:21.17 | undead_rattler | I'm sorry, I don't understand the qeustion. |
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| 17:21.49 | undead_rattler | Ntec: do you already have a regular user account? |
| 17:21.52 | SynrG | xreal: stty -a ... probably missing something but i haven't found what, yet :) |
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| 17:22.36 | xreal | SynrG: export NCURSES_NO_UTF8_ACS=1 |
| 17:22.38 | xreal | fixed it ! |
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| 17:23.58 | SynrG | xreal: woah. ok :) |
| 17:24.45 | undead_rattler | Ntec: the best way to do it would be 'su -' then 'usermod USERNAME -a -G sudo' |
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| 17:25.24 | xreal | SynrG: "or" set Remote charactet set to "Font encoding". |
| 17:25.35 | SynrG | ah |
| 17:25.35 | xreal | SynrG: how can I see the current character set? |
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| 17:26.37 | SynrG | no idea :( |
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| 17:27.11 | xreal | echo $LC_CTYPE |
| 17:27.24 | mcurran | anyone here got compiz or cairo-dock working on debian w/ gnome-fallback/classic |
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| 17:31.36 | undead_rattler | mcurran: last time I got compiz working was on my gentoo netbook :p |
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| 17:32.00 | mcurran | i take it it wasn't gnome-shell base |
| 17:32.25 | mcurran | i hear it's possible, but there's a lot of compiz crap to build here. |
| 17:33.35 | undead_rattler | when I built my compiz, I kept out as much Gnome as I could. It was plain compiz with emerald and cairo-dock. |
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| 17:37.29 | undead_rattler | doesn't even have compiz in his apt repos anywhere. |
| 17:37.34 | undead_rattler | best of luck, mcurran |
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| 17:38.43 | centrx | compiz is old |
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| 17:42.34 | xreal | SynrG: FINALLY. It's a ncurses bug. |
| 17:42.41 | xreal | Debian is using too old packages. |
| 17:43.37 | cccc---- | How do I know if cgi is properly setup for apache? Should it create a folder in my /var/www called cgi-bin or do I have to? |
| 17:43.57 | cccc---- | I think I installed the right packages |
| 17:44.16 | cccc---- | and modified httpd |
| 17:44.19 | cccc---- | properly |
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| 17:44.53 | somiaj | you most likely have to create said directory unless you have some configure tool that does it. But just modifing the apache config files to tell the location of the directoy won't create it |
| 17:45.39 | cccc---- | ScriptAlias /local-bin /usr/bin |
| 17:45.39 | cccc---- | AddHandler application/x-httpd-php5 php |
| 17:45.39 | cccc---- | Action application/x-httpd-php5 /local-bin/php-cgi |
| 17:45.43 | cccc---- | is what i added in my apache2.conf |
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| 17:45.46 | cccc---- | alright thanks |
| 17:46.14 | zleslie | How does one determine if a reboot is needed? |
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| 17:46.57 | kRush | wat |
| 17:47.07 | Ntec | what's the difference : adduser USERNAME sudo /// usermod USERNAME -a -G |
| 17:47.26 | zleslie | gpasswd :) |
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| 17:47.37 | Ntec | imanoob |
| 17:47.49 | jelly-home | zleslie: roughly: if the kernel package or a library that lots of services or apps use got upgraded, a reboot will be needed, or will be the easiest thing to do to make everything use the latest versions |
| 17:48.26 | zleslie | jelly-home: yes, but say I wanted to throw an alert if the node needs a reboot, how could I determine this from code? |
| 17:48.35 | jelly-home | Ntec: they're equivalent. usermod used not to have -a to go with that -G |
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| 17:49.59 | cccc---- | somiaj: any idea how i can check to see if cgi-bin is properly configured with apache |
| 17:50.04 | cccc---- | via some command line |
| 17:50.46 | Ntec | i've try the 2nd command ,and now i open synaptic with my user session pswd |
| 17:51.03 | Ntec | i doesnt need the root pswd |
| 17:51.10 | zleslie | musca: thx |
| 17:51.15 | Ntec | what's wrong i've made |
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| 17:52.45 | babilen | cccc----: You typically don't edit apache2.conf at all, but enable/disable modules with a2enmod/a2dismod respectively and configure your sites in /etc/apache2/sites-available and enable them with a2ensite. In this particular case you want "a2enmod cgi" and "service apache2 reload" |
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| 17:53.17 | cccc---- | a2enmod cgi |
| 17:53.18 | cccc---- | Module cgi already enabled |
| 17:53.22 | cccc---- | k cool |
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| 17:54.17 | cccc---- | so if it's installed it should be in sites-enabled now? |
| 17:54.25 | Ntec | thx jelly-home |
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| 17:55.06 | jelly-home | zleslie: hm, are you saying you need to figure out how to check whether you're running the current kernel? |
| 17:55.10 | babilen | cccc----: Place your site specific configuration in /etc/apache2/sites-available/some-sensible-name and enable it with "a2dissite some-sensible-name". You rarely have to edit apache2.conf directly. |
| 17:55.41 | zleslie | jelly-home: it looks like checkrestart from debian-goodies tells me what I need to know |
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| 17:56.33 | cccc---- | right but i type a2enmod cgi and it says already enabled |
| 17:56.37 | cccc---- | so is there anything else to do |
| 17:56.41 | jelly-home | zleslie: it seems to do a number of reasonable tests, yes |
| 17:56.43 | cccc---- | besides create the cgi-bin dir in /var/www/cgi-bin |
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| 17:58.41 | babilen | cccc----: You still have to configure your site (ScriptAlias in particular) -- edit /etc/apache2/site-available/default or create a new one (I'd suggest that) |
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| 18:00.50 | cccc---- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.52 | cccc---- | is what i see |
| 18:01.08 | cccc---- | http://pastebin.com/WWjp2jgd |
| 18:01.12 | cccc---- | sorry that is |
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| 18:01.49 | babilen | cccc----: Where do you see that? |
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| 18:02.54 | babilen | cccc----: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html#scriptalias |
| 18:03.31 | cccc---- | http://pastebin.com/bGddevW3 = /etc/apache2/sites-available# |
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| 18:03.37 | cccc---- | that was in sites-available sorry |
| 18:04.03 | babilen | cccc----: I'd recommend to configure something along those lines in your Website's configuration (/etc/apache2/site-available/your-website) and feel free to have it point to /var/www/cgi-bin/ (I'd personally prefer /var/www/your-website/cgi-bin though) |
| 18:04.50 | cccc---- | so ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ /var/www/cgi-bin/ |
| 18:04.51 | cccc---- | ? |
| 18:05.09 | babilen | cccc----: You can, naturally, also edit the sites-available/default website if you so desire and copy the ScriptAlias block and adjust it to /var/www or adjust the current one |
| 18:05.48 | babilen | cccc----: No, not at all. Please read the documentation. You might also want to consider discussing this in #httpd as this really isn't a Debian specific issue anymore. |
| 18:05.55 | cccc---- | right i have sites-available default open in nano i'll add /var/www/cgi-bin/ after ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
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| 18:06.25 | cccc---- | or do i need to copy everything |
| 18:06.38 | cccc---- | since its a separate directory |
| 18:07.00 | babilen | cccc----: No, don't do that. You need a new directive and you *also* need an appropriate Directory block for /var/www/cgi-bin |
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| 18:08.32 | armin | could somebody give a wild estimation when being forced to systemd arrives in debian stable? |
| 18:08.33 | babilen | cccc----: I would still recommend to configure a new site in sites-available/your-website (call it after it's URL, use numbering to ensure that it is loaded after default), also set ServerName so that it responds to whatever URL you are hosting. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html |
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| 18:09.01 | babilen | cccc----: But please, lets continue this in #httpd as figuring out a sensible apache setup for you is out of the scope of this channel. |
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| 18:09.26 | cccc---- | http://pastebin.com/qx0QJ4r2 |
| 18:09.29 | cccc---- | like this? |
| 18:09.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell cccc---- -about pastebin.com |
| 18:10.17 | cccc---- | http://paste.debian.net/95289/ |
| 18:10.18 | babilen | cccc----: Yes, that looks sensible -- Stick that into your <VirtualHost ...> block for your website. |
| 18:10.43 | babilen | cccc----: I will not continue to support this in here. |
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| 18:13.58 | Colloguy | I was here about 30 minutes ago, someone mentioned the name of very configurable desktop manager, but I forgot the name? >:( |
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| 18:15.49 | babilen | Colloguy: Nothing like that was being mentioned |
| 18:15.55 | psyberion | #raspberrypi |
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| 18:16.01 | babilen | (at least I don't see it -- also enable logging in your client) |
| 18:16.09 | Colloguy | oh okay, must have mis-interpreted |
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| 18:34.28 | jvm_ | hi. i upgraded debian and after reboot gdm3 didn't work anymore, took me a bit to replace it with lightdm. now gnome3 settings crash, the gnome3 background is gray (unless some zoom effect is running) and gnome-terminal profiles aren't applied (wrong colors). i think the gtk themes are not being used or something. any idea? |
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| 18:38.01 | somiaj | jvm_: upgraded from what version of debian to what other version debian. What is the output of 'apt-cache policy' put this at paste.debian.net -- look at the packages that upgraded and see if you can figure out what is the problem. |
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| 18:43.43 | Extensa5630G | is it safe to completely remove gnome3 from my debian OS after installing kde?bearing in mind that i first installed debian with gnome in the beginning |
| 18:43.53 | Extensa5630G | "aptitude remove gnome*" didn't work |
| 18:43.56 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: yes, or they can live side by side |
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| 18:44.25 | Extensa5630G | somiaj: how can i set the newly installed kde to be the default graphical session? |
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| 18:44.43 | Extensa5630G | without bothering removing gnome |
| 18:44.52 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: note that gnome is just a meta package, gnome is actually hundereds of pacakges. Packages that are marked as auto will be removed once their depends are removed, so depend in how the auto flags got set you may have to remove a few more |
| 18:45.11 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: do you want to use kdm or gdm3, in gdm3 you should be able to just select a 'kde' session and log directly into kde |
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| 18:46.02 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: /etc/X11/default-display-manager <-- open up that file and set it to the name of the default display manager you want |
| 18:46.09 | jvm_ | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/95292/ -- lots of packaged were upgraded, hard to tell much for me. |
| 18:47.06 | somiaj | jvm_: one thing I notice is in your sources.list change 'testing' to 'jessie' (this will be helpful once jessie is released so a nice thign to have) |
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| 18:47.19 | somiaj | jvm_: beyond that, did you do a full 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 18:47.20 | jvm_ | okay, thanks. |
| 18:47.31 | jvm_ | somiaj, no, i did not. |
| 18:47.33 | jvm_ | should i? |
| 18:47.34 | somiaj | jvm_: and by gdm3 not run, what do you mean? |
| 18:47.52 | jmd | I'm having trouble setting up udhcp. I can see the request coming in in syslog. But the dhcp server seems to ignore everything. |
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| 18:48.00 | jmd | Is there something I have forgotten? |
| 18:48.02 | somiaj | testing chagnes a lot, in order to fully upgrade everythign you need an 'dist-upgrade', 'upgrade' may hold some packags back, maybe that is where some versions are getting confused. |
| 18:48.05 | jvm_ | somiaj, it failed to show anything useful. |
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| 18:49.54 | Extensa5630G | somiaj: thee default session is gdm3, but i would want to set the default one as kde , let me try your stated method |
| 18:49.59 | somiaj | jvm_: well testing could have bugs with yourset up, again I would make sure you are fully upgraded to the current jessie (i.e. dist-upgrade) and then try to determine if it is gdm3 or maybe xorg and video drivers taht are your issue. But if light dm is loading it may not be video drivers |
| 18:50.19 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: I belive gdm3 will rember what session you select, and if you seelect a kde session the enxt time it will default to that |
| 18:50.29 | somiaj | or maybe there is a check boxk or something you can say 'use as default' |
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| 18:50.44 | somiaj | Extensa5630G: again that is only if you want to keep using gdm3, you can change your display manager if you like |
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| 18:51.01 | SynrG | xreal: ah. so even on sid? |
| 18:51.01 | somiaj | jvm_: also check the bts (bugs.debian.org/gdm3) maybe there is a known bug out there |
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| 18:51.16 | SynrG | xreal: cuz i tested against sid, too. same issue. :p |
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| 18:51.58 | Extensa5630G | somiaj: i tried it, the default one is gdm3, then i have to modify the considered file for default gui sessions |
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| 18:53.07 | jvm_ | somiaj, well, it seems to be some gtk problem. apt-get dist-upgrade did nothing. |
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| 19:03.17 | jvm_ | after debian upgrade, my <VirtualHost *:12345> rules with different document roots in the apache config do not seem to apply anymore, or rather, all virtual hosts with different ports seem to lead to the same documentroot. what's the trick there? |
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| 19:15.42 | babilen | jvm_: What did you upgrade from/to exactly? |
| 19:15.55 | jvm_ | babilen, testing to testing |
| 19:16.29 | jvm_ | babilen, i got it wrong. it seems my sites-enabled/000-default file is being completely ignored. |
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| 19:17.41 | petern_ | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 19:19.14 | jvm_ | argh. new apache.conf uses IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf, my old config file had the wrong name. |
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| 19:19.58 | babilen | There you go! And keep in mind to ask in #debian-next in the future :) (on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 19:20.26 | jvm_ | sorry. i will. enjoy your evening. |
| 19:20.53 | babilen | And you |
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| 19:25.58 | action09 | hi all i want to install owncloud-client (only..) on a debian stable.. ANy recommedned method ? build from sources ? install from sid ? tia |
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| 19:30.18 | kusznir | Hi all: I'm trying to help (via e-mail) a friend get debian working, and one package that is critical to his applications is not showing up in all his attempts to install it, but shows up fine on my systems. The package is ax25-apps, and this is part of the hamradio packages (and is absolutely reuqired to use ANY ham radio ax25 stuff, and there are several other ax25 packages included). |
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| 19:30.46 | kusznir | What should we be looking at to try and install this package? All apt-get install or apt-cache search commands seem to indicate this package doesn't exist. |
| 19:31.20 | kusznir | I think he's running Debian 8.0 (I always get confused with the debian names) |
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| 19:33.42 | babilen | judd: v ax25-apps, |
| 19:33.43 | judd | No package named 'ax25-apps,' was found in i386. |
| 19:33.44 | babilen | judd: v ax25-apps |
| 19:33.45 | judd | Package: ax25-apps on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.6-16.2; jessie: 0.0.8-rc2+cvs20130510-3; sid: 0.0.8-rc2+cvs20130510-3 |
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| 19:34.09 | action09 | i choose backports |
| 19:34.17 | babilen | kusznir: Your friend is probably using wheezy (current stable) which does not seem to ship that package (it must have been removed from that release due to bugs) |
| 19:34.29 | babilen | judd: checkbackport ax25-apps |
| 19:34.30 | judd | Backporting package ax25-apps in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 19:34.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell kusznir -about ssb |
| 19:35.09 | babilen | kusznir: It might be fairly easy to backport the version in sid yourself by following the instructions our bot sent you. |
| 19:35.54 | kusznir | I'm confused on one thing: is there a backports repo that he should be using to find the package then, or does he need to do all the compilation stuff the bot sent me? |
| 19:36.02 | kusznir | thanks for the info, btw. |
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| 19:37.59 | babilen | kusznir: There is a backports repository, but that particular package has not (yet?) been officially backported to wheezy. All its build dependencies can be satisfied in wheezy or wheezy-backports though so you might be able to simply compile it for (and on) wheezy. |
| 19:38.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell kusznir -about backports |
| 19:38.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell kusznir -about wheezy-backports |
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| 19:39.25 | kusznir | babilen: Thanks! |
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| 19:41.54 | kusznir | Where does "sid" fall in the order of versions? I'm not finding any mention of it on debian.org/releases/ |
| 19:43.22 | babilen | kusznir: You can ask out bot about all these things (/msg dpkg sid) -- sid is unstable and the "release" to which new packages are uploaded. It will never be released -- A more detailed explanation with pretty pictures can be found at http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 19:43.54 | kusznir | Oh, wait..found it sid always refers to "unstable". |
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| 19:58.46 | hakr | what command would be best to display component specs for debian? say i'm looking for the graphics card details? |
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| 19:59.41 | cccc---- | So like two hours later I still can't get cgi to work... my /etc/apache2/sites-available/default is http://paste.debian.net/95307/ cgi is enabled... when i browse to mydomain.com/cgi-bin/ it goes to /usr/lib/cgi (i believe) instead |
| 19:59.59 | cccc---- | Can anyone help me without pasting endless jargon I can't comprehend |
| 20:00.01 | hakr | i'm trying to setup xorg but i keep getting "no screens" fatal fucking error.. beginning to become nonsense as there isn't a work around to be found (that i can see on google) |
| 20:00.11 | jordanm | hakr: dmidecode or lshw |
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| 20:00.38 | Omilun | hellow |
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| 20:00.54 | jordanm | hakr: xorg configuration is automatic unless you use proprietary drivers |
| 20:01.00 | Omilun | how can i update emacs 23 to 24? |
| 20:01.24 | cccc---- | this is what i get when i restart apache http://paste.debian.net/95309/ |
| 20:02.14 | hakr | i'm not sure what my provider is using, this is why i need to know the specs so i can create a .conf file.. fucking linode (no offense) |
| 20:02.50 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know what the correct setup for /etc/hosts is? |
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| 20:02.53 | JyZyXEL | is this ok: http://www.apaste.info/wFz |
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| 20:04.19 | jordanm | hakr: how are you trying to start X on a vps? |
| 20:04.33 | jordanm | they use xen, so it's going to be the xen video driver |
| 20:04.51 | aarcane | how can I find the source for such programming utilities as cin and cout (specifically I want std::cin >> unsigned int i; source) on a debian system? |
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| 20:05.37 | hakr | i use "dpkg-reconfigure X11-common" and set it to "anybody" then attempt to "startx" as a normal user and I get that error |
| 20:06.12 | jordanm | hakr: from a ssh session? |
| 20:06.25 | hakr | yup yup |
| 20:06.47 | jordanm | hakr: ok.. what screen do you expect it to display to? |
| 20:07.06 | hakr | i want it to start so i can connect via vnc |
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| 20:08.02 | jordanm | hakr: seems much simplier just to use X11 forwarding for individual applications |
| 20:08.18 | Omilun | how can i update emacs 23 to 24? |
| 20:08.36 | jordanm | ,versions emacs |
| 20:08.37 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; jessie: 45.0; sid: 45.0; wheezy: 45.0 |
| 20:08.38 | hakr | do you know of any documentation on how to set that up? |
| 20:08.50 | jelly-home | 45! |
| 20:08.59 | jordanm | hakr: ssh -X yourserver |
| 20:09.07 | dondelelcaro | ,versions emacs24 |
| 20:09.08 | judd | Package: emacs24 on i386 -- jessie: 24.3+1-2+b1; sid: 24.3+1-2+b1 |
| 20:09.12 | dondelelcaro | ,versions emacs23 |
| 20:09.13 | judd | Package: emacs23 on i386 -- squeeze: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 23.4+1-4; jessie: 23.4+1-4.1+b1; sid: 23.4+1-4.1+b1 |
| 20:09.30 | jordanm | i wonder why the meta package had such a jump in versions |
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| 20:09.46 | dondelelcaro | Omilun: I think you might have to backport emacs24 to wheezy if you want it |
| 20:10.01 | jordanm | I would expect it to be an easy backport |
| 20:10.11 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: different source; I think it used to be provided by one of emacs23 or emacs24 instead of emacs-defaults |
| 20:10.13 | b_lewandowski | Hello all, I want to change my old ubuntu os to a fresh debian |
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| 20:10.26 | Omilun | dondelelcaro: ok thx i ll add it and update :* |
| 20:10.54 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:11.01 | b_lewandowski | I have windows on the machine as well |
| 20:11.41 | b_lewandowski | it looks like will need to remove all ubuntu partitions, repair the mbr, and at the end install debian |
| 20:11.44 | b_lewandowski | is there a quicker way? |
| 20:11.45 | Azrael_- | if i run "command1 && command2", command2 won't be executed if command1 threw a warning, right? can i change this to run it always unless there was an error? |
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| 20:12.08 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-: it depends on the exit code of command1 |
| 20:12.24 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-: has nothing to do with whether command1 outputs to STDERR |
| 20:12.25 | b_lewandowski | Azrael_-: it looks at the exit code, not the stderr or stdout |
| 20:12.31 | hakr | jordanm, i'm running windows on my client workstation and debian 7.4 on my vps, ssh -X server doesn't do much, the "startx" command still throws off a Fatal Error |
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| 20:13.00 | b_lewandowski | hakr: do you have a XWindows server on your windows? |
| 20:13.14 | Azrael_- | this is the command i run: "ionice -c2 -n0 nice rsnapshot ..parameters...". will it look to the exit code of ionice, nice or rsnapshot? obviously i only wanted to care about the return code of rsnapshot |
| 20:14.04 | hakr | www.xwin32.com ? this what i'm looking for? |
| 20:14.19 | b_lewandowski | hakr: I use Xming |
| 20:14.32 | rryoumaa | Azrael_-: to test, use something that has known exit value |
| 20:14.40 | jordanm | hakr: don't know, never had to install x client libs on a windows host |
| 20:14.45 | rryoumaa | you can put $? or something in your prompt |
| 20:14.51 | jordanm | hakr: forwarding is not going give you a full desktop |
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| 20:15.07 | jordanm | hakr: perhaps try googling for "vnc headless linux server" or something |
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| 20:15.22 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-: it'll be the exit code of rsnapshot |
| 20:15.22 | hakr | i install xfce, it's just awaiting correct x configuration to display the environment :( |
| 20:15.24 | jordanm | not sure why you want a full desktop on your vps though |
| 20:15.26 | rryoumaa | (and i too have tried ionice and nice for rsnapshot, and found that they did not stop my entire system from freezing every time i run rsnapshot) |
| 20:15.30 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-: ionice and nice both just exec whatever is next |
| 20:15.52 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-: well, assuming ionice and nice don't fail before starting whatever they're supposed to start |
| 20:16.05 | Vasistha | I'm looking for some signal analysis software for the purpose of doing EQ with pink noise. baudline looks like it was nice ten years ago, but I can't get it to work. There must be some good software in debian that can do audio signal analysis? |
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| 20:16.31 | rryoumaa | do you mean like audacity? |
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| 20:20.51 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: I didn't realize audacity could do that! I'll look into it, thanks |
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| 20:23.55 | Azrael_- | dondelelcaro / rryoumaa: thanks for the suggestions |
| 20:24.02 | JyZyXEL | ....] Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 20:24.05 | JyZyXEL | [Thu Apr 24 02:22:35 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName [Thu Apr 24 02:22:35 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 20:24.15 | JyZyXEL | how do i fix this in debian? |
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| 20:25.59 | b_lewandowski | JyZyXEL: set your hostname |
| 20:26.17 | JyZyXEL | b_lewandowski: how should it be set? |
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| 20:27.17 | b_lewandowski | JyZyXEL: what does hostname print? |
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| 20:28.13 | b_lewandowski | JyZyXEL: this will answer your questions: http://askubuntu.com/questions/256013/could-not-reliably-determine-the-servers-fully-qualified-domain-name |
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| 20:28.35 | JyZyXEL | i see |
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| 20:28.52 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 20:28.52 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 20:29.36 | jelly-home | would not trust any URL from a domain like that to give advice applicable and optimal for Debian... not even how to set hostname |
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| 20:33.50 | Guest93991 | ? |
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| 20:34.10 | Guest93991 | exit |
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| 20:35.03 | doebi | whats up with this process? root /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon |
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| 20:36.15 | cccc---- | =\ |
| 20:36.20 | cccc---- | jelly-home any advice |
| 20:36.27 | cccc---- | it still wont work |
| 20:36.44 | cccc---- | should I be modifying sites-available or sites-enabled |
| 20:36.46 | cccc---- | default |
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| 20:37.51 | jelly-home | cccc----: I have not been following your issue, and am too tired to jump in now, sorry |
| 20:37.52 | Nik05 | sites-available? sites-enable are just symlinks |
| 20:37.58 | cccc---- | =[ |
| 20:38.11 | cccc---- | all i know is i have the module installed and enabled |
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| 20:41.16 | cccc---- | ForbiddenYou don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/ on this server. |
| 20:42.05 | somiaj | cccc----: have you looked at the permissions of the DocumentRoot/cgi-bin/ directory? |
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| 20:42.49 | cccc---- | the folder is 775 |
| 20:43.08 | cccc---- | i dont think its even linked to /var/www/cgi-bin |
| 20:43.15 | babilen | cccc----: Paste your exact config and relevant parts from /var/log/apache2/error.log and /var/log/apache2/access.log to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 20:43.26 | babilen | cccc----: Which directory are you referring to? |
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| 20:43.48 | cccc---- | relevant config would be apache2.conf and sites-enabled/default right? |
| 20:44.00 | babilen | cccc----: Also include the output of "ls -ld /var/www/cgi-bin/" please. |
| 20:44.09 | cccc---- | thanks for baring with me |
| 20:44.10 | cccc---- | =\ |
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| 20:44.19 | babilen | cccc----: Well, you shouldn't have changed anything in apache2.config as detailed earlier so you don't have to paste that. |
| 20:45.10 | cccc---- | ls -ld /var/www/cgi-bin/ - http://paste.debian.net/95317/ |
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| 20:46.36 | daemonkeeper | CGI support is also available out of the box, script aliased to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 20:47.30 | cccc---- | 000-default from sites-enabled: http://paste.debian.net/95318/ |
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| 20:48.21 | cccc---- | apache2.conf http://paste.debian.net/95320/ |
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| 20:52.55 | cccc---- | babilen: any idea whats going on |
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| 21:02.36 | mcurran | I'm considering pulling gnome-shell and desktop base etc. from unstable or experimental, does anyone know if either work... |
| 21:02.46 | mcurran | I'm sick of gnome-shell 3.8 |
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| 21:03.00 | mcurran | and I don't want to install arch for a simple 3.12 update |
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| 21:06.41 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: I was looking for something that can do real-time audio spectrum analysis -- audacity doesn't do real-time. Any other recommendations? |
| 21:06.59 | rryoumaa | nope, would like to know, but no idea |
| 21:07.26 | Vasistha | thanks :) I'll let you know if I find anything |
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| 21:07.47 | rryoumaa | just curious, no need :) |
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| 21:08.21 | babilen | cccc----: You have the same things in there twice |
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| 21:09.07 | cccc---- | i removed everything from my configs |
| 21:09.07 | babilen | cccc----: And you should also check your permissions and ownership of /var/www/cgi-bin (if you use that), I also can't see access.log and error.log (i'll be afk for a while) |
| 21:09.15 | cccc---- | =[ |
| 21:09.15 | cccc---- | ok |
| 21:09.25 | cccc---- | its not even linking to that folder though |
| 21:09.36 | cccc---- | its linking to like /lib/cgi-bin or something |
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| 21:12.22 | babilen | cccc----: Yes, see daemonkeeper's comment and the current configuration |
| 21:12.48 | cccc---- | yes it's pointed to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 21:12.50 | cccc---- | no matter what i do |
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| 21:21.45 | marceloamorim | hey guys |
| 21:21.58 | marceloamorim | can you help me remove everything about mysql on my debian? |
| 21:22.08 | marceloamorim | I wish start from zero |
| 21:22.36 | marceloamorim | for some reason I think that my original problem was the permission on file for mysqld.sock |
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| 21:23.07 | marceloamorim | but I did so many changes at this points, using dpkg, using apt-get even using mysql.deb |
| 21:23.33 | marceloamorim | can you guys help me remove everything? |
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| 21:24.13 | marceloamorim | dpkg --purge isn't work about a lots of files, and I don't have good experience removing directories from the system |
| 21:24.14 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up isn't work about a lots of files, and I don't have good experience removing directories from the system all over marceloamorim and alm... |
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| 21:26.49 | cccc---- | Internal Server ErrorThe server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 21:26.51 | cccc---- | =\ |
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| 21:26.52 | nathanhi | AMIGAAAAAH |
| 21:27.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell marceloamorim -about confnew |
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| 21:28.06 | cccc---- | alright so now its pointed to the right place |
| 21:28.15 | marceloamorim | ty |
| 21:28.17 | cccc---- | Internal Server Error for every request |
| 21:28.17 | b_lewandowski | is the debian installer partition tool aware of data on a partition when resizing? |
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| 21:34.08 | cccc---- | i fucking give up |
| 21:34.20 | cccc---- | this is so stupid |
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| 21:34.38 | cccc---- | how hard can it be to specify a path rofl |
| 21:34.48 | cccc---- | the fucking module is installed |
| 21:35.07 | tony1 | I setup isc-dhcp on raspbian everything works but on nas4free i see inet 66.152.109.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 66.152.109.255 in ifconfig. above that is the ip that I would expect. why would two ip's be bound to the nic? |
| 21:35.47 | tony1 | I have no idea where inet 66.152.109.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 66.152.109.255 is comeing from. does anyone have an idea? |
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| 21:39.20 | stew | !raspbian |
| 21:39.20 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 21:40.36 | tony1 | dpkg: ok sorry just thought someone might have an idea, again sorry |
| 21:40.36 | dpkg | tony1: I give up, what is it? |
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| 21:45.17 | gnu-canoe | what do debian users use that is like ansible or chef or puppet? |
| 21:45.26 | gnu-canoe | is there a gnu ish answer to config managers |
| 21:45.27 | gnu-canoe | ? |
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| 21:50.06 | nightfly | i use puppet |
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| 21:51.16 | babilen | gnu-canoe: salt works great on Debian |
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| 21:52.16 | gnu-canoe | anyone here ever get smalltalk pharo running on debian? doesn't work for me |
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| 21:53.30 | gnu-canoe | yikes anohter pseudo commercial beast salt seems |
| 21:53.53 | gnu-canoe | boy job market is tight now |
| 21:54.01 | gnu-canoe | you gnets finding it hard to get a decent hourly w2? |
| 21:54.07 | gnu-canoe | los angeles here |
| 21:55.54 | gnu-canoe | is salt really the fastest growing config manager? |
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| 21:56.14 | gnu-canoe | I hear more about chef and puippet, and now ansible |
| 21:56.18 | gnu-canoe | but I dunno |
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| 21:56.38 | gnu-canoe | I think use virtual hosts on fewer bigger boxen is better than this spageti of vms |
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| 22:01.27 | vook | clusterssh |
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| 22:03.17 | gnu-canoe | bash loop! |
| 22:03.25 | gnu-canoe | rsync! |
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| 22:07.33 | AndChat278529 | Help |
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| 22:07.41 | plotino | hello |
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| 22:08.54 | plotino | i need help with lirc |
| 22:09.03 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 22:09.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:14.12 | petn-randall | plotino: ^^^^ |
| 22:14.36 | cccc---- | I'm trying to get www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin to function on Debian linux can anyone help please? |
| 22:14.38 | plotino | sorry |
| 22:14.44 | plotino | i have installed lirc |
| 22:14.46 | cccc---- | I installed the module and php5-cgi |
| 22:14.51 | plotino | i have configured lirc |
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| 22:15.12 | plotino | with sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc |
| 22:15.39 | plotino | but whn i try "irw" and press any buttom on my RM-900 (creative live drive) .. nothing happens |
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| 22:16.10 | petn-randall | plotino: What IR receiver do you have? |
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| 22:17.59 | plotino | it's embedded in the live drive of creative platinum 5.1 |
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| 22:26.00 | petn-randall | plotino: When you load the kernel module, do you see new lines in /var/log/kern.log detecting it? |
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| 22:28.46 | hotaronohanako | O.o |
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| 22:29.21 | petn-randall | hotaronohanako: Yes? |
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| 22:29.55 | buu | So, uh, I had a power outage and now my arrow keys won't work in 'less' via ssh inside screen; where do I start debugging? |
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| 22:31.09 | buu | Actually my arrow keys don't work anywhere.. |
| 22:31.14 | buu | Except bash |
| 22:31.20 | buu | And irssi. But not vim. |
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| 22:33.08 | zykotick9 | buu: are you seeing capital letters in vim when you press arrows? |
| 22:33.47 | buu | zykotick9: No, but it takes me out of insert mode |
| 22:33.59 | buu | I'm using iterm2 |
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| 22:34.19 | zykotick9 | has lost all interest, good luck. |
| 22:34.54 | buu | =[ |
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| 22:41.08 | plotino | petn-randall, i have tried to restart lircd |
| 22:41.24 | plotino | and check kern.log but any entry appears in the log |
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| 22:52.34 | plotino | do you know if is it possible to check the verbose mode for a module to be reloaded? |
| 22:52.42 | Colloguy | do packages in contrib necessarily depend on at least one package in nonfree? |
| 22:52.54 | jordanm | Colloguy: no |
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| 22:53.10 | jordanm | Colloguy: some function as downloaders for software it downloads eg flash |
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| 22:53.46 | Colloguy | oh okay, and are there any other cases? |
| 22:54.30 | Colloguy | contrib = depends on nonfree, or directly downloads non-free, and that is it? |
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| 22:55.02 | dm3on | hey everyone, i have very weird problem my eyes get tired in like hour of watching screen, i have ati 6950 card, xglrx installed, ifinallity installed i change monitor. so under windows i dotn have this problem only in debian. any suggestion why is this happening |
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| 22:55.33 | jordanm | Colloguy: contrib = requires non-free software to function |
| 22:55.40 | jordanm | that might be a better description |
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| 22:56.26 | Colloguy | I just got virtualbox from contrib, without non-free in my sources.list, I'm aware that virtualbox does recommend a proprietary usb driver, but doesn't require it |
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| 22:57.18 | dmi3on | any one ? |
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| 22:58.22 | petn-randall | dmi3on: Take a break every hour? |
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| 22:59.07 | petn-randall | dmi3on: It could be related to subpixel hinting, but that's just speculation. |
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| 23:00.26 | dmi3on | petn-randall, thx i didnt think about that :), i use gnome 3 with and is set now full RGB, i played with all settings and adjusting contrast etc with amdcccle does not help much |
| 23:00.50 | dmi3on | it looks like contrast is off, like fonts and colors have higher contrast |
| 23:01.00 | dmi3on | thats what i am thinking is issue |
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| 23:02.29 | liso | today I started ubuntu and for some reason the network doesn't work.I have dual boot, so I switched to windows and network works fine. the connection of ubuntu is like always with dhcp, I changed nothing, it just stopped working. what can I do? |
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| 23:04.19 | mtn | !ubuntu |
| 23:04.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 23:04.19 | zykotick9 | liso: #ubuntu is over there -> |
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| 23:04.39 | Kaye18 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.03 | petn-randall | liso: You could ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 23:07.22 | Colloguy | virtualbox is in contrib because it requires non-free software to build from source: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691148 |
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| 23:08.10 | liso | petn-randall: ever seen this in debian? |
| 23:09.25 | petn-randall | liso: People who should be asking on #ubuntu? Yes, all the time. |
| 23:09.38 | deepblue | the system settings window closes unexpectedly when i press user accounts.how to fix this? |
| 23:10.06 | cccc---- | I purged php and apache and re-installed them both now neither appear to be working |
| 23:10.28 | cccc---- | anyway to check the status of both =\ |
| 23:10.35 | petn-randall | deepblue: You could start it in a terminal, it might output useful information when it closes. |
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| 23:11.50 | cccc---- | ~# a2enmod php5 |
| 23:11.50 | cccc---- | ERROR: Module php5 does not exist! |
| 23:11.53 | cccc---- | ugh oh |
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| 23:12.33 | deepblue | petn-randall: no output for'users accounts' |
| 23:12.40 | cccc---- | grr php must be gone |
| 23:12.45 | cccc---- | apache is serving again |
| 23:12.54 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 23:12.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:13.24 | zykotick9 | deepblue: that's certainly a different colour from mintgreen... if you're using mint, you're still lost... |
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| 23:13.56 | cccc---- | Reading state information... Done |
| 23:13.56 | cccc---- | php5 is already the newest version. |
| 23:14.07 | cccc---- | yet it's not loading with apache |
| 23:15.14 | petn-randall | cccc----: You're probably looking for libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 23:15.25 | deepblue | zykotick9: it's mu user name for debian |
| 23:15.28 | cccc---- | thank you randall |
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| 23:15.40 | cccc---- | libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 23:15.45 | cccc---- | oh boy i wonder what i did |
| 23:16.07 | cccc---- | php wasn't processing so i purged everything now on this install it's still doing the same |
| 23:16.13 | cccc---- | i see everything in raw text |
| 23:17.17 | deepblue | zykotick9: mintgreen for mint and deepblue for debian |
| 23:17.54 | cccc---- | yeah php info wont work =\ |
| 23:18.01 | cccc---- | i wonder what i did |
| 23:18.06 | mtn | deepblue: but you asked the same question using both names on two channels. what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:18.19 | petn-randall | cccc----: You've already been hanging out in #debian, you should know the ropes by now: Don't use enter for substitution, and try to describe your problem in detail for us to understand. "Don't work" is not a sufficient problem description. |
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| 23:18.31 | deepblue | mtn: 7.4 |
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| 23:18.47 | cccc---- | Apache is serving web content, php files are being displayed in raw text. |
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| 23:19.09 | cccc---- | I was toying with the apache virtualhost files and php stopped processing. |
| 23:19.10 | deepblue | wheezy 7.4 |
| 23:19.11 | mtn | deepblue: and you have the exact same problem on mint? |
| 23:19.14 | mdel | cccc----: sounds like you need to enable mod_php |
| 23:19.19 | cccc---- | So I purged all my apache and php5 files to reset them back to defaults |
| 23:19.27 | deepblue | mtn: nope |
| 23:19.35 | petn-randall | cccc----: How did you do that? |
| 23:19.44 | petn-randall | cccc----: The actual commands matter. |
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| 23:19.49 | mtn | deepblue: ok, thought you said you use mintgreen for your mint questions |
| 23:21.07 | deepblue | mtn: not exactly what i said |
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| 23:21.50 | cccc---- | sudo apt-get --purge remove php5 |
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| 23:21.57 | cccc---- | I did the same with apache2 |
| 23:22.08 | cccc---- | If any old configuration files were left behind that would explain the same behavior |
| 23:22.51 | petn-randall | cccc----: purge also dumps the old config, so that should be gone. Do you have a /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load? |
| 23:23.19 | cccc---- | the directory is empty |
| 23:23.59 | cccc---- | root@zeus:/etc/apache2/mods-available# ls root@zeus:/etc/apache2/mods-available# |
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| 23:25.43 | petn-randall | cccc----: I have a few dozen files there, looks like something more it broken with your system. |
| 23:25.47 | mtn | deepblue: it is probably something in your gnome settings/config files. try the same thing from a new users account. |
| 23:25.50 | petn-randall | s/it/is/ |
| 23:26.09 | petn-randall | !tell cccc---- about bat |
| 23:26.10 | cccc---- | oh joy |
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| 23:26.51 | petn-randall | cccc----: Can you paste the stuff the bot asked you for? |
| 23:27.35 | petn-randall | PKG1 and PKG2 would be apache2 and apache2.2-common. |
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| 23:29.05 | cccc---- | http://paste.debian.net/95348/ is apt-cache policy |
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| 23:29.46 | cccc---- | should I type apt-cache policy apache2 ? |
| 23:30.01 | cccc---- | and apt-cache policy php5 |
| 23:30.34 | buu | So, guys, I'm using iterm2 -> ssh -> screen -> less; and my arrow keys aren't moving the screen. They also don't work in vim. They do however work in bash (readline) and irssi (possibly readline). This just started happening after a power outage. |
| 23:30.35 | cccc---- | http://paste.debian.net/95349/ php5 and apache2 cache policies sorry |
| 23:30.40 | buu | Where can I start debugging? |
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| 23:33.48 | cccc---- | petn-randall: Is that everything that you asked for? |
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| 23:34.48 | dizzylizzy | if I run a chown -R on a directory that contains a directory symlink, that symlink is not followed correct? |
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| 23:41.56 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: just did a test and no it doesn't (what I expected). It will change the ownwer ship of the link however, but not the soruce of the link |
| 23:42.08 | crz- | Hello, got all the new libs and go on on debian7, I want to run something, but it needs glibc 2.14, how can I install it without breaking stuff (aptitude show libc6) |
| 23:43.13 | dondelelcaro | crz-: recompile it |
| 23:43.54 | crz- | cant dont have the source files |
| 23:44.00 | crz- | and its asking for 2.14 |
| 23:44.05 | dondelelcaro | crz-: then run it in a chroot or similar. |
| 23:44.23 | cafuego | crz-: libc6 is glibc 2 |
| 23:45.04 | petn-randall | cccc----: It was only part of what I asked for. Gotta catch some sleep, but I'm sure someone else here will help you out. See you in 8 hours! |
| 23:45.09 | dondelelcaro | crz-: jessie and sid have 2.18, which will work with things that require 2.14, but in general, the answer is to recompile. |
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| 23:45.53 | cccc---- | =[ |
| 23:45.55 | cccc---- | gn |
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| 23:47.08 | cafuego | wiggles eyebrows |
| 23:47.08 | cafuego | crz-: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say about versions? |
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| 23:48.12 | crz- | ok let me try |
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| 23:50.23 | somiaj | crz-: you won't (And do not want to) install libc6 2.14 or newer on wheezy. If it is a cli app, running it in a chroot (easily made with debootstrap) would be just fine. If you need xorg, you may want to set up a virtual machine that has jessie on it |
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| 23:50.59 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: you can still use X apps in a chroot; you just have to bind mount appropriately |
| 23:51.21 | dondelelcaro | !chrootx |
| 23:51.21 | dpkg | i guess chrootx is bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix/ and copy ~/.Xauthority into the chroot, then export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 23:51.42 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: I was worried about the libs of jessi's xorg not being compadable with the wheezy version he was running. I have done that when the chroot was the same version (back before ia32-libs or multi-arch) |
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| 23:52.05 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: doesn't matter; the X protocol hasn't changed in ages |
| 23:52.11 | crz- | ok thank you, moment will try :-) |
| 23:52.24 | somiaj | ahh I was kinda courious about that, never tied and just always edged on caution. That is good to know. |
| 23:52.26 | dondelelcaro | (it's one of the few nice things about X) |
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| 23:54.49 | dizzylizzy | somiaj: thx |
| 23:54.51 | dizzylizzy | :) |
| 23:55.04 | dizzylizzy | I s'pose i should have just set up a quick test scenario |
| 23:55.47 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: I figured I'd test before I just agreed with you (: |
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| 23:56.00 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: note this is for symbolic links, I think hard links will work differently |
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| 23:57.54 | dizzylizzy | can't really hard link a directory though AFAIK |
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| 23:58.25 | somiaj | I thought you could, or maybe you have to mount --bind for that |
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| 23:59.18 | cafuego | You can't on Linux filesystems. |
| 23:59.28 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: but guess you are correct on that, (: |
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