| 00:00.26 | somiaj | allow the superuser to attempt to hard link directories (note: will probably fail due to system restrictions, even for the superuser) -- the man page says you can try to do it, but dosen't give you mcuh hope |
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| 00:13.04 | pablo | hello guys, does the profile.d still works? I can make it set an environment variable |
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| 00:15.16 | SynrG | pablo: depends on whether your /etc/profile calls it or not |
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| 00:15.46 | SynrG | for example, on a system where i customized /etc/profile a very long time ago, pre-profile.d, and never replaced it with the improved one from debian, it doesn't |
| 00:16.49 | pablo | SynrG: ok, let me check |
| 00:17.06 | cccc---- | if im on my shell via ssh how do i download a file locally |
| 00:18.18 | dngrzone | By locally do you mean the machine you are connectin to with ssh, or to the machine you are connecting with? |
| 00:19.39 | dngrzone | Like, "locally" on the remote machine? |
| 00:20.18 | dngrzone | wget SHOULD work just fine. |
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| 00:31.00 | pablo | SynrG: yes, it is there |
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| 00:31.33 | SynrG | pablo: when you say "I can make it set an environment variable" i assume you meant "can't" ... how were you trying to set it? |
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| 00:32.08 | SynrG | pablo: also, you know that only works for login shells |
| 00:32.09 | poeticrpm | im having issues with debian in a chroot jail. I have to run: export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin in order for the jail to be usable (ls: command not found, etc). How do I set this path by default instead of having to type this out everytime? |
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| 00:35.47 | PryMar56 | poeticrpm, it should be set in /etc/profile |
| 00:36.58 | poeticrpm | ill check it out. I have no issue with debian when it boots, just when I chroot. |
| 00:37.00 | pablo | SynrG: yes, I mean, I can't |
| 00:37.08 | pablo | SynrG: what do you mean only login shells? |
| 00:37.12 | poeticrpm | PryMar56, ^ |
| 00:38.13 | poeticrpm | Ive been asking in #archlinux since thats the host I have issues from. I dont have issues chrooting into arch from debian |
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| 00:49.40 | anton02 | i upgraded ubuntu 13.10 to 14 since it brought up a dialogue box asking if i would like to and i said yes but now software updates arent working because it says samba has unmet dependencies so i ran apt-get auto and apt-get -f and all that but it didnt fix it. What should I do? http://i.4cdn.org/g/1398293256838.png |
| 00:49.52 | anton02 | here is a error message: libsmbclient : Depends: samba-libs (= 2:4.1.6+dfsg-1ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:50.25 | SynrG | pablo: read the bash man page on login shells. |
| 00:50.37 | anton02 | your face when debian is effectively easier than ubuntu due to having a less off-topic IRC chat |
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| 00:53.37 | SynrG | !ubuntuirc anton02 |
| 00:53.37 | dpkg | anton02: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 00:54.08 | anton02 | SynrG: this is the same server lol |
| 00:54.18 | SynrGy | and dpkg bot spans both servers |
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| 01:03.46 | sarita | please look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPWhp_0d8hM |
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| 01:09.19 | pablo | SynrG: how can I check that /etc/profile is actually executed? |
| 01:09.40 | pablo | . profile works fine |
| 01:09.50 | average | pablo: edit it, and add an echo "whatever" > wherever |
| 01:09.56 | pablo | but after a restart the variables defined in there are not set |
| 01:10.04 | average | pablo: and then check to see if wherever exists or not ? |
| 01:10.14 | average | and contains whatever |
| 01:10.31 | pablo | average: at boot time, how is it executed? |
| 01:10.45 | pablo | average: it works fine if I execute it |
| 01:10.59 | average | then reboot your machine yes |
| 01:11.04 | pablo | average: but after a reboot is doesn't |
| 01:11.29 | pablo | average: something inside init.d calls it? |
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| 01:11.38 | average | pablo: take a snapshot of your disk, throw it in a VM, and try it out |
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| 01:12.41 | average | that's overkill but will work |
| 01:12.45 | pablo | average: at boot time, which file executes it? |
| 01:12.55 | pablo | from where is it called? |
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| 01:13.00 | average | but anyway, I think an easier thing would be to study what user is /etc/profile executed as |
| 01:13.03 | average | I suppose it has to do with init |
| 01:13.23 | average | not sure, haven't tried this in a while |
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| 01:13.43 | average | pablo: you have to study the manual a bit.. |
| 01:14.04 | average | these types of things are usually found in it after some searching.. |
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| 01:16.40 | average | pablo: maybe this is a good place to look http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/unix-services.html |
| 01:18.21 | SynrG | pablo: again, set how? and is it or isn't it a login shell? i did point you at the doc about what that is. |
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| 01:18.43 | average | pablo: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 01:18.54 | SynrG | i haven't seen a single line of output or any details about your problem. so we're just reduced to random guesses |
| 01:19.04 | average | pablo: also, if you really want to be sure, why not make an init script as described in the link above ? |
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| 01:19.22 | average | SynrG: that's how pablo wants to treat us, with no details |
| 01:19.34 | average | he is a result-oriented person, not a detail-oriented person |
| 01:19.51 | SynrG | well, i'm an intolerant-to-wasting-our-time person |
| 01:20.09 | SynrG | pablo: so, details, or go figure it out yourself. |
| 01:20.13 | pablo | SynrG: right, I think it is because I am not using a login shell |
| 01:20.35 | pablo | SynrG: if I use bash --login, it loads it |
| 01:20.40 | SynrG | exactly |
| 01:20.55 | pablo | SynrG: so how can I specify environment variables to be used by applications? |
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| 01:21.34 | average | pablo: what have you tried so far? |
| 01:21.44 | pablo | SynrG: I need firefox to be executed with export NSS_SSL_CBC_RANDOM_IV=0 |
| 01:21.45 | average | pablo: like.. bro.. have you even tried? |
| 01:22.08 | pablo | SynrG: I have created a /etc/profile.d/nss.sh with export NSS_SSL_CBC_RANDOM_IV=0 |
| 01:22.36 | average | pablo: stop telling what you want and start describing what you tried so far |
| 01:23.07 | average | did you chmod +x /etc/profile.d/nss.sh ? |
| 01:23.17 | pablo | average: yes |
| 01:23.24 | average | does it have the proper rights ? |
| 01:23.30 | pablo | average: yes |
| 01:23.34 | average | how do you know ? |
| 01:23.40 | pablo | chmod 755 |
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| 01:23.59 | pablo | still, no login shell |
| 01:24.15 | pablo | SynrG: any recomendation? |
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| 01:25.07 | average | pablo: can't you make an init script for this thing and have it run at startup ? |
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| 01:25.16 | average | ok maybe /etc/profile.d is good too |
| 01:25.17 | average | uhm |
| 01:26.37 | pablo | average: .. |
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| 01:28.41 | pablo | SynrG: what would you do in this case? |
| 01:28.46 | average | pablo: apparently bash doesn't read /etc/profile.d or /etc/profile ? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=49306 |
| 01:29.26 | SynrG | it does if it's a login shell. and other shells should inherit from login shells, with some notable exceptions: |
| 01:29.35 | SynrG | https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
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| 01:33.23 | pablo | SynrG: ok, and if I want to set environment variables for the graphical interface? |
| 01:33.40 | SynrGy | but it's not "for the graphical interface", it's for a single app |
| 01:34.02 | SynrGy | in this case, i would probably write my own trivial wrapper for it that does nothing but set the environment variable and call the app |
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| 01:36.41 | pablo | SynrG: you mean move the iceweasel binary? |
| 01:36.47 | SynrG | no |
| 01:36.57 | pablo | SynrG: create a script and call that binary? |
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| 01:37.45 | SynrG | yes. and if you like, a .desktop file that calls that script so you can use it as usual in menus/launchers, etc. |
| 01:38.09 | SynrG | that can start the app however you like ... environment variables, switches, whatever. |
| 01:38.43 | pablo | so create a script and a .desktop, doesn't looks like the best solution, at least not to me |
| 01:39.10 | pablo | I will have 2 .desktops for iceweasel |
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| 01:40.50 | SynrG | pablo: just saying how *i* would handle it |
| 01:41.03 | SynrG | i've done this countless times for other things |
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| 01:41.24 | SynrG | every time i want something started a little differently and it can't be fixed simply with configs |
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| 01:42.45 | pablo | SynrG: thanks for the info |
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| 01:46.36 | faras | hello, good night fellow debianers |
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| 01:47.14 | faras | i come here tonight with a couple of issues that require more expertise than i currently have |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | damn it .. wrong channel again! |
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| 01:48.03 | faras | currently, my audio system (alsa+pulseaudio) is broken and produces no sound and no visible errors |
| 01:48.29 | faras | this might be caused because I have some packages from unstable installed over a stable base |
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| 01:49.08 | faras | and I have a question: how dangerous is to perform a dist-upgrade to unstable on a personal laptop / development machine? |
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| 01:49.39 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 01:49.55 | faras | I hope someone here can point me to solutions, I have googled about this issues but I want expert opinions |
| 01:50.14 | Strogg | how do you find out what version of a package is in which stream (stable, testing, unstable) without adding those sources to your apt config? |
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| 01:51.03 | faras | I think you can go to a webpage about debian packages |
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| 01:51.23 | faras | there you have a list of channels and versions for each package |
| 01:51.31 | Strogg | yeah.. I've been trying the search page, but it keeps telling me my search isn't specific enough |
| 01:51.34 | faras | I have come accross that page several times |
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| 01:51.49 | faras | which url? |
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| 01:52.05 | Strogg | I want to upgrade to a 3.14 kernel, so I was wondering if I upgrade to unstable... would it have it. hehe |
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| 01:52.54 | Strogg | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=linux-image |
| 01:53.39 | Strogg | hrmmm pool only has 3.13, so I guess that's the best I can hope for, right? |
| 01:53.39 | faras | it seems to me that that page contains the info you want |
| 01:54.51 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:54.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-trunk-686-pae (3.14.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 01:55.54 | Strogg | oooh. hrmm looks like I need to relearn how to do apt-pinning |
| 01:55.58 | Strogg | judd: thanks! |
| 01:55.59 | faras | judd: once you upgrade several packages to another channel ... is the system's coherence lost? |
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| 01:56.05 | Strogg | err.. abrotman thanks! |
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| 01:59.09 | faras | oh, judd is a bot? |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | Strogg: do you have a *need* for 3.14? |
| 01:59.46 | Strogg | abrotman: yeah.. I have a Xonar audio card and there's no support for recording until 3.14 when it was added |
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| 01:59.50 | faras | so, abrotman: once you upgrade several packages to another channel ... is the system's coherence lost? I mean I'm getting some errors about mismatched versions when I install things and the only option is to upgrade everything |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | faras: mixing versions of Debian usually ends up in crying |
| 02:00.25 | faras | I was actually tring to fix my issues with pulseaudio, flash and skype |
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| 02:00.40 | Strogg | abrotman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/919809/comments/13 |
| 02:00.52 | faras | abrotman: is there a downgrade path to stable again? |
| 02:01.12 | faras | or should I go to unstable and ride the waves? |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | faras: downgrade not supported |
| 02:01.54 | jarray52 | faras: Unstable is like using Ubuntu |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | not really |
| 02:02.03 | jarray52 | jk |
| 02:02.22 | jarray52 | as abrotman said... my comment is not really accurate |
| 02:02.34 | faras | ok |
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| 02:03.40 | aZz7eCh | haswell graphics simply not supported with debian / wheezy? 3 days of googling I haven't been able to find one single guide/success story on it ??? I really have to go back to ubuntu ?????? |
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| 02:04.34 | faras | so I guess I should go to unstable abrotman jarray52 ... do you think something is going to brake with an apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | faras: no, you shouldn't |
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| 02:05.38 | faras | abrotman: but I can't downgrade, I shouldn't go unstable... but I have a system with mixed versions... so crying or reinstalling it is? |
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| 02:06.29 | abrotman | you sohuld have understood the risks before you started down that path |
| 02:06.37 | Strogg | Are there any schedules or info about when stuff from experimental comes down to unstable (and then later to testing) ? |
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| 02:07.18 | SynrG | It doesn't |
| 02:07.28 | faras | abrotman: jarray52: Yeah, well, I'm currently here, so no patronizing please. If I keep the system as it is, I need to at least fix my sound system. |
| 02:07.35 | faras | SynrG: what doesn't? |
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| 02:07.40 | SynrG | That's not how experimental works |
| 02:07.53 | SynrG | There is no process for migrations |
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| 02:08.19 | abrotman | two different people with a lack of understanding of how Debian works |
| 02:08.42 | Strogg | I'll admit that |
| 02:08.50 | faras | Me too |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | Strogg: things don't flow from experimental to unstable .. that's not how it works at all |
| 02:09.02 | faras | that's why we come here in the first place |
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| 02:09.24 | Strogg | abrotman: ah. |
| 02:09.52 | abrotman | faras: actually, you didn't come here 'in the first place' .. you came here when it was broken |
| 02:10.25 | faras | the question is: are you willing to help us out of our ignorance a bit? |
| 02:10.38 | Strogg | whoa now. don't lump me in with you. |
| 02:10.45 | faras | haha, that's right, I'm sorry I'm stupid, master |
| 02:10.45 | Strogg | steps away from faras |
| 02:11.09 | dorito125 | grabs popcorn, ready to be learnt about Debian. |
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| 02:11.37 | abrotman | faras: whic part do you want to fix? |
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| 02:12.28 | faras | ok, the actual problem is that my soundsystem (alsa+pulseaudio) is currently not producing sound or visible errors |
| 02:12.43 | faras | I thought there was a version mismatch |
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| 02:12.58 | faras | I trying downgrading but it was a lot of manual work |
| 02:13.16 | faras | So I uninstalled and reinstalled from unstable some packages |
| 02:13.21 | faras | and that didn't help either |
| 02:13.34 | faras | So I would like to understand the problem now |
| 02:14.32 | faras | for instance, right now, I'm playing audio from flash in Chrome |
| 02:14.44 | faras | and pavucontrol shows no activity for chrome |
| 02:15.09 | Dewi | faras: it sounds like the system is already in a mixed state |
| 02:16.08 | faras | Dewi: most packages are from unstable now |
| 02:16.54 | faras | I have started VLC and played a video and pavucontrol shows the app, but not the volume levels that it usually shows |
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| 02:18.21 | Dewi | if you've gone mostly unstable, might as well go completely there and make sure that the upgrade is completed correctly |
| 02:18.38 | faras | where do programs send their audio? is there a way to debug what's being sent and check it? |
| 02:19.06 | zykotick9 | Dewi: yes. mixing repos is <frankendebian> |
| 02:19.06 | faras | Dewi: but abrotman just said that I shouldn't go unstable, but I don't know if he was just patronizing me or giving me his honest opinion |
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| 02:19.43 | faras | zykotick9: Dewi so you agree that unstable debian is better than frankendebian? |
| 02:20.08 | zykotick9 | faras: _i_ would. |
| 02:20.25 | Dewi | faras: yeah. but I wouldn't run either |
| 02:20.42 | zykotick9 | faras: but, i'd like to note - testing/sid is a _downgrade_ from stable IMO |
| 02:20.43 | faras | Dewi: run what, sorry? |
| 02:21.03 | abrotman | zykotick9: please don't tell people that |
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| 02:21.11 | faras | zykotick9: right, you're speaking about quality and I speak of package version numbers |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | it's quite clear faras doesn't have the skills to manage testing/unstable |
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| 02:21.33 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i'm suggesting _against_ testing/sid? |
| 02:21.37 | Dewi | faras: I wouldn't run a combo of packages compiled for different environments (frankendebian) and I wouldn't run unstable. The second seems more preferable, but avoiding both would make your system more realistically supportable |
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| 02:21.47 | abrotman | bah, misread |
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| 02:21.56 | Dewi | faras: both approaches are likely to break in ways that are difficult to diagnose at a distance |
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| 02:22.40 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i did say, running sid is better then frankendebian... |
| 02:22.51 | faras | I know I have a tough desition ahead and I'm glad I have a place where I can share this issues |
| 02:23.48 | Dewi | faras: if you only had a few packages from the future version, it'd be worth trying to purge out the new stuff and install earlier versions, but that totally depends whether anything crucial and central has already gone |
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| 02:24.51 | Dewi | audio frameworks aren't exactly peripheral, lots of dependencies around those |
| 02:25.04 | faras | Since right now most of my system works and audio is the only thing that's broken (and was already broken before I upgraded a large portion of packages), I'm tempted to try and fix the audio system once more before going unstable, because I'm not sure that is going to fix anything |
| 02:26.09 | jarray52 | Can someone suggest a good program that allows the use of multiple terminals in an editor like environment? |
| 02:26.20 | zykotick9 | faras: sidenote (not sure it's related), do you have more then 1 audio device? that caused me a lot of headaches in wheezy... |
| 02:26.26 | faras | all dependencies of alsa and pulseaudio have already been upgraded |
| 02:26.26 | xhsg38 | hey everyone i hope this isn't too off-topic but i'm looking for ubuntu-compatible software that has the capability to rename a batch of pictures to their date&time stamp, for example 2014-03-20_11:11:12.JPG |
| 02:26.53 | Dewi | jarray52: you mean like one program outputting to several different displays at once? |
| 02:27.06 | zykotick9 | xhsg38: #ubuntu is -> |
| 02:27.34 | faras | zykotick9: I'm not sure about that. I have only one internal soundcard, but it's exposed in several ways, such as HDMI and analog for input and output. What exactly constitutes one device? |
| 02:27.44 | xhsg38 | darn i meant to say debian. sorry i'm a recent convert from ubuntu to debian |
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| 02:28.25 | jarray52 | Dewi: No. Just one display. I want all the terminals in one window in a tabbed environment. Something that allows me to minimize all 5 open terminals at once and perhaps some other niceties to make working with multiple terminals easier. |
| 02:28.41 | zykotick9 | faras: "cat /proc/asound/cards" is more then one listed? |
| 02:29.20 | Dewi | xhsg38: I don't know of any apps, but you could rig up 'find' piped through 'xargs' to do that. It's a bit involved, but it's an option |
| 02:29.26 | zykotick9 | faras: and by one i mean 0 ;) |
| 02:29.33 | faras | $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH HDA Intel PCH at 0xf0710000 irq 46 |
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| 02:29.41 | faras | that seems to be only one |
| 02:29.47 | zykotick9 | it is |
| 02:30.08 | xhsg38 | Dewi, that's a bit over my head unfortunately but thanks anyways |
| 02:30.10 | Dewi | jarray52: tmux and screen are the most popular terminal multiplexers I'm aware of |
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| 02:31.26 | Dewi | jarray52: tmux is a bit newer, a bit better at split screens. screen is the old standard |
| 02:31.30 | faras | right now, pavucontrol is showing audio from VLC and output levels, but no audio I'm hearing |
| 02:31.44 | faras | (I don't know what changed from earlier when nothing was being shown) |
| 02:31.51 | zykotick9 | jarray52: if you not familiar with either screen or tmux, i'd recommend tmux. i used screen for years, but switched to tmux and now it'd never go back. BUT, tmux is non-copyleft <- if that's an issue for you. |
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| 02:32.32 | Dewi | zykotick9: how long did it take for that to be comfortable? Are you running any compatibility stuff to make that easier? |
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| 02:32.52 | faras | I'm getting audio in pavucontrol, but I'm not hearing anything ... I'm going to google about that |
| 02:33.27 | zykotick9 | Dewi: i remap the default day to ctrl+a ;) and it _did_ take some serious "getting use to"... |
| 02:33.37 | zykotick9 | s/day/key/ |
| 02:33.43 | jarray52 | zykotick9: Thanks for the rec. |
| 02:33.55 | jarray52 | Dewi: Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to try tmux. |
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| 02:34.29 | zykotick9 | Dewi: ctrl+b made NO sense to me... |
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| 02:35.34 | Dewi | zykotick9: makes sense. I'll have to give it a go at some point |
| 02:35.47 | faras | wow, crap, the wrong output was selected in phonon audio, so now VLC works, but chrome doesn't |
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| 02:36.10 | jarray52 | zykotick9: How does one launch tmux? Launching from a shell doesn't really do much. |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | jarray52: it has documentation |
| 02:36.45 | zykotick9 | jarray52: personally, i have a script that launched multiple tmux sessions that i can log into |
| 02:37.09 | zykotick9 | s/launched/launches/ |
| 02:37.11 | faras | and I have audio in wine too, I'm a happy clam (?) |
| 02:38.34 | Dewi | jarray52: it's mostly managed through hotkeys. You may or may not see a bar at the bottom of your terminal indicating you are in tmux. Suggest reading a tutorial |
| 02:38.53 | zykotick9 | Dewi: +1 |
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| 02:46.00 | faras | Ok, I fixed the audio. Thanks a lot for your support. |
| 02:46.00 | faras | I promess I will relieve you from my lower intelligence for a while now |
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| 02:49.21 | jarray52 | Dewi and zykotick9: Thanks guys. This works nicely. |
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| 02:52.55 | anton02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.59 | anton02 | what should I do? |
| 02:53.30 | zykotick9 | anton02: #ubuntu is over -> |
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| 02:54.28 | anton02 | zykotick9: but i tricked you, i just added ubuntu to the package name |
| 02:55.12 | zykotick9 | anton02: ya, that's what so many debian user do... |
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| 02:56.17 | shingouz | anton02: fix the dependency problem. for more information, see #ubuntu |
| 02:56.46 | anton02 | this is what happened. dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-libs_2%3a4.1.6+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-libs_2%3a4.1.6+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb |
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| 02:59.13 | zykotick9 | anton02: #ubuntu is over -> |
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| 03:25.02 | KNERD | I am using 7.3 and some packages cannot be found...python-pip postgresql-server-dev-all uuid-dev & libjpeg62-dev..what is odd about this is just 4 days ago I install those without isse on v7.2 |
| 03:25.26 | wols_ | ,v python-pip |
| 03:25.26 | somiaj | KNERD: rerun 'apt-get update' |
| 03:25.26 | judd | Package: python-pip on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1; squeeze-backports: 1.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1-3; jessie: 1.5.4-1; sid: 1.5.4-1 |
| 03:26.11 | KNERD | somiaj: i already ran updaye |
| 03:26.32 | somiaj | also 7.4 is the current point release, so you may have outdated sources, but it doesn't look like python-pip has had security or updates |
| 03:26.43 | somiaj | KNERD: care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 03:26.45 | KNERD | let my try again |
| 03:27.51 | KNERD | hmm...says 7.2.. http://paste.debian.net/95374/ |
| 03:29.02 | wols_ | KNERD: you have a bad sources.list |
| 03:29.10 | wols_ | !tell KNERD about wheezy sources.list |
| 03:29.25 | somiaj | KNERD: okay you only have dvd1 (7.2) sources and security sources, you should switch to online sources. My guess is you are requesting some packages that would be on dvd2 |
| 03:29.26 | wols_ | remove the cdrom: entries |
| 03:29.40 | somiaj | but better to use proper internet sources and remove the dvd sources (those are really best used for install) |
| 03:29.42 | wols_ | somiaj: tho, apt should demand the DVD then |
| 03:29.53 | KNERD | okay thanks |
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| 03:30.08 | somiaj | wols_: not if it hasn't scaned the dvd, it would have mention of packages that depend on them but not be able toa ctually find them -- something like that I belive |
| 03:30.37 | wols_ | somiaj: these DVD entries were put there by the installer. it has scanned them |
| 03:30.39 | somiaj | I didn't think the first dvd contained info that said what was on the other dvds, they would each have to be scanned by apt-cdrom. |
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| 03:31.29 | wols_ | tho admittedly, it's been I think literally more than a decade since I used cdrom: entries in sources.list :) |
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| 03:31.49 | somiaj | though looking at it agian, maybe it is the security source are depending on somehing in 7.3 or 7.4 which is now in main but not in the 7.2 dvd. |
| 03:32.02 | somiaj | eitehr way we know the fix |
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| 03:44.08 | KNERD | okay...got the URLs of the online repos from the net install I did the other day and put it on the ISO install;..thanks everyone |
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| 03:44.50 | somiaj | KNERD: if you want put your sources.list at paste.debian.net and we can double check it for you |
| 03:45.27 | KNERD | I can put then here ---> deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main |
| 03:45.51 | somiaj | KNERD: you took out yoru security.debian.org sources, add those back |
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| 03:46.06 | somiaj | KNERD: and you use to have contrib and non-free enabled, nto sure if you want to do the same or not |
| 03:46.07 | KNERD | no..I did not..I just added those 2 |
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| 03:46.38 | somiaj | KNERD: delete the deb-cdrom lines (and the deb-src line is optional and not needed if you don't need soruce cdode) |
| 03:46.44 | KNERD | http://paste.debian.net/95375/ |
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| 03:47.54 | somiaj | KNERD: commented them out is fine. again you may want to add 'contrib non-free' to the end of the lines so it says 'main contrib non-free' but only if you want contrib or non-free software |
| 03:48.13 | KNERD | oh..okay..thanks |
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| 03:48.55 | somiaj | KNERD: looks good |
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| 03:49.27 | somiaj | KNERD: note the veary last two lines (wheezy-updates) is optional to have, but just gets you the updates sonner than point releases. Again optional |
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| 03:49.51 | KNERD | oh I see...thanks for that info |
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| 03:57.32 | lmfao | can someone mention me step by step detail for installing spring with maven ? |
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| 04:01.03 | Rusty1 | lmfao: there are #spring and #maven channels if nobody here can help, ##java as well |
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| 05:04.03 | Omilun | hello how can i login to gnome 3 whith shell? |
| 05:05.03 | Omilun | have any coment like kde (startx)? |
| 05:08.37 | somiaj | Omilun: on debian systems you can set your default session with $HOME/.xsession (similar to .xinitrc) that is honored by both displaymanagers and startx |
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| 05:12.27 | Omilun | somiaj: i have a problem to login by login panel on gnome 3 when my pc and laptop go luck |
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| 05:13.47 | Omilun | somiaj: im in ws1 by press alt f1 and im log in my user with shell ... how can i use gnome 3 and app? |
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| 05:15.09 | dwk | hi -- my sound just broke after upgrading my jessie system. pulseaudio is running but there's just a dummy device in vlc. Help? |
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| 05:19.43 | Omilun | any body help me? |
| 05:19.50 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 05:19.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 05:20.59 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: real-time audio spectrum analysis: check out japa and jaaa. I got jaaa working without too much trouble (part of it is that it's my first day using jack). I'm working on getting japa working-- it is more appropriate for my specific needs, but these both appear to be great programs |
| 05:22.01 | rryoumaa | great. what are you using them for? creating a modified pink noise? |
| 05:22.54 | somiaj | Omilun: it sounds like your graphical login manager is still running, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop may stop it |
| 05:23.27 | somiaj | Omilun: so you booted into a graphigal login screen, hit ctrl-alt-f1 and loged into a text console and want to stop your curren xorg session and start a new one? |
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| 05:25.31 | Omilun | somiaj: i need login on gnome 3 im now in shell ... i have problem by login panel bcz when my pc go to luck mode i can note back again to login panel ... |
| 05:26.10 | Omilun | somiaj: i need log in to desktop like kde with shell ($startx) |
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| 05:27.53 | somiaj | I think what you want to do is stop your display manager as I suggested then you can just run startx. |
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| 05:29.12 | Omilun | somiaj: im in my laptop now and my pc login on shell i need back to desktop |
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| 05:31.12 | somiaj | Omilun: no need to repeate yourself. If you want to get back to teh curretn running xorg session, it is most likely on tty7, ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 05:33.44 | Omilun | somiaj: yes i know it but i can not back to desktop whith ctrl+alt+f7 |
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| 05:34.47 | boudiccas | i've just installed ubuntu-14.04 to a virtualbox on jessie, but the ubuntu display is just in a small square in the centre of the desktop. how do i get it to use all the desktop without going full screen please? |
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| 05:35.23 | SirLagz | boudiccas: does virtualbox have guest additions ? Have you installed those ? |
| 05:35.35 | boudiccas | SirLagz; yes, and yes |
| 05:35.53 | SirLagz | boudiccas: rebooted the VM since you installed those ? |
| 05:35.58 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 05:36.32 | SirLagz | boudiccas: changed the resolution on the guest VM ? |
| 05:36.33 | Omilun | somiaj: i can go to other tty* but can not go to tty7 |
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| 05:36.51 | boudiccas | SirLagz; i closed it down to install using apt-get on jessie and dkms for kernel too |
| 05:37.21 | boudiccas | SirLagz; no, its just my current resolution with this machine ie default |
| 05:38.01 | SirLagz | boudiccas: can you change the resolution on the guest VM ? |
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| 05:39.35 | boudiccas | SirLagz; i think i'm partway to solving it, by actually installing guest-additions in ubuntu too |
| 05:39.54 | z8z | how to see installable packages list from terminal? |
| 05:40.05 | SirLagz | boudiccas: yes. That's what you need to do. |
| 05:40.19 | SirLagz | z8z: that would be a *huge* list |
| 05:40.27 | SirLagz | z8z: what are you trying to achieve ? look for a package ? |
| 05:40.31 | dwk | z8z: there is a command-line package manager called aptitude |
| 05:40.33 | boudiccas | SirLagz; seems so, thanks :) |
| 05:41.00 | z8z | when i press tab for apt-get to autocomplete it doesn't work |
| 05:41.05 | z8z | so........ |
| 05:41.09 | SirLagz | boudiccas: no problems. When I first asked about guest additions, I meant inside the VM lol. |
| 05:41.20 | SirLagz | z8z: so.....what are you trying to install ? |
| 05:42.23 | z8z | no i just want to know which stuff containing eclipse is available |
| 05:42.32 | z8z | without going and check using the website |
| 05:42.35 | SirLagz | z8z: apt-cache search eclipse ? |
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| 05:42.50 | z8z | that's for stuff already installed |
| 05:42.59 | SirLagz | z8z: no, that's for what's in your repos |
| 05:43.02 | z8z | i need to know the stuff available to be installed |
| 05:43.11 | SirLagz | dpkg lists what's already installed |
| 05:43.18 | SirLagz | apt-cache will search the repos for what's available |
| 05:43.21 | z8z | oh |
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| 05:44.19 | z8z | SirLagz: ;) ok thanks! |
| 05:44.40 | SirLagz | z8z: no problems :) |
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| 05:46.38 | Omilun | plz help me |
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| 05:48.33 | z8z | SirLagz: apt-cache pkgnames also gives list so i did apt-cache pkgnames | grep "eclipse" and it works too :) |
| 05:48.58 | SirLagz | z8z: coolies |
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| 05:50.23 | dwk | anyone having issues with sound devices not appearing after upgrading jessie? |
| 05:50.43 | Vasistha | rryoumaa: I'm trying to EQ a soundboard for a room/speakers |
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| 05:58.49 | z8z | debian repos has eclipse-c++ package but not eclipse-photran :( |
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| 06:03.59 | z8z | huge disappoint |
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| 06:08.21 | Omilun | GNOME3 = = = = SHIT |
| 06:08.53 | z8z | Omilun: +1 |
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| 06:09.32 | Omilun | z8z: i can not back to desktop :D |
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| 06:10.11 | Omilun | z8z: when go to luck mode ... login panel = hang |
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| 06:10.54 | Omilun | z8z: i went to shell and i can not back to desktop :D |
| 06:10.57 | z8z | Omilun: using gnome-classic? |
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| 06:11.16 | Omilun | z8z: i need gnome 2 how can i install it?\ |
| 06:11.35 | wols_ | you run squeeze |
| 06:11.37 | z8z | btw did you try ctrl+alt+f7 right? |
| 06:11.53 | wols_ | if you don't like gnome3, use xfce, lxde, etc. |
| 06:12.19 | Omilun | z8z: lol dont work |
| 06:12.31 | z8z | yeah use xfce |
| 06:12.33 | Omilun | xfce is best |
| 06:12.42 | Omilun | but i can not mack it |
| 06:12.50 | z8z | mack? |
| 06:12.54 | Omilun | mach* |
| 06:13.06 | z8z | dunno this word... :D meaning? |
| 06:13.19 | Omilun | i can not make short key on it |
| 06:13.20 | Omilun | :D |
| 06:13.45 | z8z | lol ok i check on translator |
| 06:13.54 | Omilun | z8z: cntr+alt+f7 not work |
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| 06:14.34 | z8z | Omilun: startx ? :D |
| 06:14.45 | Omilun | z8z: i use it and not work |
| 06:14.59 | z8z | Omilun: then gg |
| 06:15.25 | Omilun | z8z: i dont know whats is it? |
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| 06:18.46 | z8z | Omilun: gg is (good game) is used in videogame community when you lost a match |
| 06:18.48 | z8z | :D |
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| 06:20.18 | rowinofwin | Hi all, I have a weird issue with routing on debian 7.4 |
| 06:20.32 | rowinofwin | I have two network cards, one on public internet and one on private network |
| 06:20.50 | rowinofwin | the public internet one is fine, everything works like a charm |
| 06:21.02 | rowinofwin | but if I try to ping to LAN nothing gets through |
| 06:21.11 | wols_ | !enter |
| 06:21.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:21.35 | wols_ | and show us the output of /sbin/route and /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 06:21.54 | Omilun | z8z: u mean is i use this comand? startgg? |
| 06:22.12 | z8z | Omilun: no no ;D just forget about it |
| 06:22.30 | z8z | Omilun: It was to say that we lost and i have no idea then |
| 06:23.20 | wols_ | Omilun: if you are in the text console and can't use ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X, run "ps aux |grep X" as root. show us the result in a pastebin |
| 06:24.56 | somiaj | Omilun: after you finish that if you could put a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net that would help us out too. |
| 06:25.45 | rowinofwin | http://pastebin.com/6HeWhiZy |
| 06:26.04 | Omilun | oh god my shell check auto my usb port |
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| 06:26.20 | Omilun | im mixt now |
| 06:26.25 | rowinofwin | I had to obfuscate the public IP, this is a work machine |
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| 06:28.58 | wols_ | rowinofwin: and what happens if you ping something in your LAN? |
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| 06:29.27 | wols_ | and since these interfaces are "br" which probably mean bridges, what are they bridging? |
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| 06:37.55 | rowinofwin | ah, yes, here is the /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/Xyw77hqs |
| 06:38.40 | rowinofwin | they are bridging from my two eth interfaces. This is intended to be a vmhost, it currently has hosts with public internet but I want to bring some, mainly monitoring and openvpn, lan access |
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| 06:39.40 | rowinofwin | when I restart networking xenbr1 fails to bring up, when I ping it fails with destination host unreachable |
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| 06:43.06 | rowinofwin | I am sure this is a simple mistake but I can't seem to spot it |
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| 06:44.38 | barrydg | Well |
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| 06:44.49 | barrydg | You configure the network in Debian |
| 06:44.51 | dean[h] | Morning. We have a box at backspace and the time when I type "date" is set to CDT. How do I change it to Europe/Helsinki? |
| 06:45.00 | dean[h] | I presume cron uses the sys time outputted by 'date' :) |
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| 06:45.02 | barrydg | Maybe xen did not pick it up |
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| 06:45.11 | SirLagz | dean[h]: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 06:45.14 | SirLagz | dean[h]: I think it was |
| 06:45.20 | dean[h] | let's see, thx |
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| 06:45.44 | SirLagz | dean[h]: off the top of my head so I could be wrong |
| 06:45.59 | dean[h] | you are :( |
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| 06:46.06 | SirLagz | dean[h]: oops sorry |
| 06:46.08 | SirLagz | gimme a tick |
| 06:46.08 | barrydg | rowinofwin: I only used xenserver with xen, is there something like xe network-list |
| 06:46.12 | dean[h] | needs sudo! |
| 06:46.14 | dean[h] | my bad |
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| 06:46.42 | SirLagz | dean[h]: lol. |
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| 06:47.25 | dean[h] | all good now SirLagz. thanks |
| 06:47.30 | SirLagz | dean[h]: no problems |
| 06:48.07 | barrydg | I am trying to create a 3gbit network connection for use with drbd... is the correct way to trunk 3 network cards a linux bridge? |
| 06:48.40 | rowinofwin | well, it is currently running kvm, we are switching over to kvm after some feature limitations with xen came up, but long story short I don't see why it wouldn't come up |
| 06:48.42 | barrydg | http://pastebin.com/YZ3v9XpE |
| 06:49.01 | SirLagz | drbd sounds familiar...but i forget what it is =/ |
| 06:49.16 | barrydg | SirLagz: basically raid1 over network |
| 06:49.23 | SirLagz | barrydg: ah |
| 06:49.46 | barrydg | rowinofwin: kvm is much nicer indeed.. |
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| 06:50.12 | barrydg | rowinofwin: problem with xen often is that the underlaying os knows what you are doing, but xen does not |
| 06:50.20 | barrydg | try adding the network with xe- commands http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/4.0.1/reference/ch03.html |
| 06:51.49 | digdilem | coincidence. i'm middle of installing xenserver on a dl585, but it's hanging and I'm contemplating debian+xen instead |
| 06:51.51 | rowinofwin | I am not using xen, that is just the name left over |
| 06:52.08 | barrydg | okay |
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| 06:54.04 | barrydg | rowinofwin: do you get an error message? |
| 06:54.48 | rowinofwin | ping gets "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 06:55.32 | rowinofwin | when I restart networking with service networking restart I get "Waiting for xenbr1 to get ready (MAXWAIT is 2 seconds). RTNETLINK answers: File exists Failed to bring up xenbr1." |
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| 06:56.33 | barrydg | paste command output of: brctl show |
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| 06:59.45 | barrydg | rowinofwin: paste command output of: brctl show |
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| 07:04.14 | rowinofwin | http://pastebin.com/fDRn1zw5 |
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| 07:04.39 | rowinofwin | oh dear, it is 5pm, I must run, thank you for the assistance, have a good one |
| 07:04.48 | SirLagz | bye |
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| 07:07.32 | zetheroo | one of our Debian VM's suddenly lost it's ability to load the desktop gui ... other VM's on the same host using the same settings don't have any issue along these lines ... so I am guessing it's probably specific to this VM |
| 07:07.45 | zetheroo | How can I get the desktop gui back up again? |
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| 07:08.04 | SirLagz | zetheroo: what happens if you run startx ? |
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| 07:10.22 | zetheroo | command not found |
| 07:10.40 | SirLagz | zetheroo: what dm are you using ? Lightdm ? GDM ? |
| 07:10.58 | zetheroo | uhm, I think GDM ... that's Gnome right!? |
| 07:11.11 | zetheroo | the default when you install Debian ... |
| 07:11.23 | zetheroo | Debian Wheezy ... |
| 07:11.28 | SirLagz | yes |
| 07:11.32 | SirLagz | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 07:11.36 | SirLagz | what happens when you run that ? |
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| 07:12.17 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.06 | SirLagz | zetheroo: I don't know then |
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| 07:14.51 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 07:15.17 | zetheroo | I wonder if one of the users removed the Gnome desktop ... |
| 07:15.35 | zetheroo | "users" with root access :) |
| 07:15.38 | SirLagz | zetheroo: lol...they shouldn't really have access to do that. |
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| 07:17.10 | zetheroo | we have dozens of VM's and many of them are for our devs to use, and break, at their own risk ... I just have to set them up and look after the hosts etc. |
| 07:17.32 | SirLagz | zetheroo: ahh |
| 07:17.38 | SirLagz | zetheroo: let them fix it then :P |
| 07:17.46 | zetheroo | this VM has about 3 ppl with root access using it, and the one guy who may have removed the desktop is on holiday - HA! |
| 07:17.48 | zetheroo | yes |
| 07:18.17 | zetheroo | if the commands are saved I might be able to see what was done lately |
| 07:19.36 | SirLagz | zetheroo: check each users ~/.bash_history ? |
| 07:19.46 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 07:20.35 | Sealness | is there no way to reinstall debian |
| 07:20.38 | zetheroo | if that file does not exist does that mean the commands are not being logged? |
| 07:20.45 | Sealness | and keep everytahing else in tact |
| 07:20.53 | SirLagz | Sealness: Depends on how you've partitioned it |
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| 07:21.05 | SirLagz | Sealness: what are you actually trying to achieve ? Rebuild a system but keep configs ? |
| 07:21.24 | Sealness | ii guess its just about reinstalling packages |
| 07:21.34 | Sealness | that should do everything |
| 07:21.38 | Sealness | or fix |
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| 07:22.11 | SirLagz | Sealness: you could force Debian to reinstall everything...Don't know how that would turn out though lol |
| 07:22.35 | Sealness | how? |
| 07:22.45 | Sealness | apt dist upgrade? |
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| 07:23.02 | Sealness | wont i have to reinstall all my apps? |
| 07:23.19 | SirLagz | Sealness: if you still have all the packages in /var/cache/apt/packages, you could go in there and tell it to dpkg -i * to reinsetall all the .deb files in there |
| 07:23.36 | SirLagz | Sealness: which apps ? Did you install them from apt-get / aptitude / synaptics ? |
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| 07:33.32 | rampageRipper | i ran 'gnome-control-center users accounts' to get'segmentation fault'how to fix this? |
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| 07:34.36 | SirLagz | rampageRipper: reboot and try again ? |
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| 07:48.53 | rampageRipper | SirLagz: same thing |
| 07:49.01 | blaubarschbube | hi. this morning I noticed that a server rebootet and I dont know why. is there a onboard crash log in debian? |
| 07:49.28 | SirLagz | rampageRipper: is your hardware ok ? Tried reinstalling gnome-control-center ? |
| 07:50.24 | rampageRipper | how to reinstall gnome-control-center? |
| 07:50.48 | SirLagz | apt-get remove it then apt-get install it again ? |
| 07:51.06 | rampageRipper | ok |
| 07:51.11 | rampageRipper | thanx |
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| 07:55.09 | rampageRipper | SirLagz: done and still get the error |
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| 07:55.23 | SirLagz | rampageRipper: are you familiar with strace ? |
| 07:55.34 | rampageRipper | nope |
| 07:55.48 | SirLagz | rampageRipper: hmm ok... |
| 07:56.09 | SirLagz | rampageRipper: you could try and use strace to figure out what's causing the segfault |
| 07:56.39 | rampageRipper | ok |
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| 08:06.11 | digirak | I have updated my sources |
| 08:06.26 | digirak | i mean sources.list |
| 08:06.35 | digirak | and done sudo apt-get update |
| 08:06.37 | digirak | but.... |
| 08:06.59 | digirak | I somehow don't seem to be able to get any of the new sources when I do apt-get -t |
| 08:07.06 | digirak | any idea what else I need to do |
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| 08:07.31 | SirLagz | digirak: what are you trying to install ? |
| 08:08.03 | digirak | well am just getting a repo from LMDE |
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| 08:08.13 | digirak | so I can install some newer packages |
| 08:08.22 | SirLagz | LMDE ? |
| 08:08.27 | wols_ | SirLagz: mint |
| 08:08.32 | digirak | Linux mint debian edition |
| 08:08.33 | SirLagz | oh right |
| 08:08.39 | babilen | digirak: Ask them |
| 08:08.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell digirak about lmde |
| 08:08.45 | wols_ | digirak: as soon as you do you won't get support here anymore. maybe not in mint channels either |
| 08:08.48 | wols_ | !frankendebian |
| 08:08.49 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 08:09.01 | SirLagz | lol. frankendebian |
| 08:09.09 | digirak | ROFL |
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| 08:09.31 | SirLagz | i have a frankendebian box. sid / testing in one box |
| 08:09.41 | babilen | Well, we certainly won't support it and I would advise against mixing distributions anyway. If you want mint then use it (and seek support in their channels). |
| 08:10.00 | babilen | SirLagz: That is a very common setup and I wouldn't consider that a Frankendebian as packages migrate from unstable to testing anyway. |
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| 08:10.10 | SirLagz | babilen: still not supported here though :D |
| 08:10.11 | digirak | oh I see |
| 08:10.12 | digirak | ok |
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| 08:10.26 | babilen | SirLagz: No, that would be #debian-next |
| 08:10.29 | SirLagz | indeedy |
| 08:10.37 | babilen | digirak: What are you actually trying to achieve by that? |
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| 08:10.49 | digirak | babilen: well I am using crunchbang |
| 08:10.55 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 08:10.55 | digirak | which is a debian derivative |
| 08:11.02 | babilen | And also not supported in here ... |
| 08:11.08 | digirak | ok |
| 08:11.11 | SirLagz | lol...crunchbang / lmde frankendebianbang |
| 08:11.12 | digirak | wrong room |
| 08:11.14 | digirak | ;) |
| 08:11.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell digirak -about crunchbang |
| 08:11.27 | SirLagz | he's gone haha |
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| 08:11.49 | wols_ | let's hope he doesn't come back with some lies |
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| 08:25.15 | Guest83480 | Hello, could someone advive how to get list of installed packages on debian system when I cannot chroot into it but have full access to partition it is installed ? |
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| 08:25.56 | SirLagz | Guest37096: why would you not be able to chroot into it if you have full access to the partition ? |
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| 08:26.24 | Tasab | hello all , who can help me pls to fix broken packages debian wheezy , thanks |
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| 08:26.41 | SirLagz | Tasab: no one. |
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| 08:26.45 | wols_ | !tell Tasab about errors |
| 08:27.10 | wols_ | Guest37096: what prevents your chroot? |
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| 08:27.14 | ment0s_ | SirLagz: I was running sid and it just sudently stopped working, every boot ends up on initramfs, chroot gives /bin/bash command not found ( /bin/bash is there and its libraries also ) |
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| 08:28.04 | wols_ | Guest37096: but you can parse /var/lib/dpkg/status yourself |
| 08:28.05 | Tasab | while like to install the libre office package i can't , mared as red & showing fix broken first |
| 08:28.23 | SirLagz | ment0s_: what wols_ said. |
| 08:28.26 | wols_ | ment0s_: what exact kernel version? |
| 08:28.26 | Tasab | *marked |
| 08:28.34 | wols_ | !tell Tasab aout bat |
| 08:28.42 | wols_ | Tasab: please read the factoid dpkg just messaged you |
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| 08:29.24 | Tasab | hold will send you the link of pastebin , wols_ |
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| 08:30.49 | ment0s_ | wols_: ment0s_: what exact kernel version? |
| 08:30.49 | ment0s_ | 09:28 < Tasab> *marked |
| 08:30.49 | ment0s_ | 09:28 < wols_> !tell Tasab aout bat |
| 08:30.49 | ment0s_ | 09:28 < wols_> Tasab: please read the factoid dpkg just messaged you |
| 08:30.49 | ment0s_ | 09:29 -!- ongolaBoy [~ongolaBoy@unaffiliated/ongolaboy] has joined #debian |
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| 08:31.12 | ment0s_ | sorry guys |
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| 08:31.42 | ment0s_ | wols_: 3.12.2-031202-generic |
| 08:32.05 | ment0s_ | wols_: but I have another three previous kernels there and non of them works |
| 08:32.06 | wols_ | ment0s_: then please ask #ubuntu for help |
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| 08:32.30 | ment0s_ | wols_: what have a kernel version to do with anything here |
| 08:32.47 | wols_ | it means you don't run debian. and we only support debian |
| 08:33.15 | ment0s_ | wols_: I am running jessie/sid, kernel compilled myself |
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| 08:33.20 | wols_ | no you did not |
| 08:33.28 | ment0s_ | wols_: you want me to show you the config ? |
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| 08:34.06 | wols_ | no I don't care. this kernel you mentioned that gives you the problem is a ubuntu 13.10 kernel. so please just stop |
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| 08:34.26 | Tasab | wols_, http://pastebin.com/yQLMAEat |
| 08:34.30 | wols_ | every debian and probably every ubuntu kernel comes with a .config file, so this doesn't mean anything |
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| 08:35.00 | wols_ | Tasab: please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 08:35.35 | Tasab | wols_, ok - hangon |
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| 08:38.37 | ment0s_ | wols_: why would I lie about it for christ sake ? maybe the reason you think it is a ubuntu is because first 3.11 kernel I pulled was for ubuntu/debian and then I pulled config and compiled new kernels using it. I am running debian :/ http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i6mcub.jpg thats the screenshot of all kernels I have. |
| 08:38.44 | Tasab | wols_, lin of the output apt-cache as http://pastebin.com/ENTPLLQe |
| 08:39.04 | wols_ | ment0s_: you run a ubuntu kernel then. still not debian but a frankendebian |
| 08:39.26 | wols_ | and you have problems with your kernel, that means that package from ubuntu that doesn't fit is probably broken |
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| 08:40.04 | wols_ | Tasab: I cannot access this pastebin due to that captcha. I suggest you use paste.debian.net in the future |
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| 08:40.15 | ment0s_ | wols_: all of those kernels worked perfectly, after one reboot all of them stopped working. I dont think it is a problem with kernel. |
| 08:40.47 | wols_ | and we don't think this is debian. so we are even I guess |
| 08:41.08 | wols_ | PS: there is an error message or several before you get to busybox. read them |
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| 08:42.32 | ment0s_ | wols_: but is there a way of dumping a packages list so can it be reverted just like with dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 08:43.54 | benonsoftware | Hiya, I want to package a program but upstream doesn't appear to have any version numbers, what should I do? |
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| 08:44.15 | babilen | ment0s_: Mind pasting the output of "apt-cache policy" as requested earlier? Also include that of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt" please. |
| 08:44.39 | ment0s_ | babilen: I cannot boot into the system and I cannot chroot into it. |
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| 08:45.22 | ment0s_ | babilen: chroot gives no /bin/bash command not found. ( I've tried to copy libraries using ldd etc, didnt help. ) |
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| 08:46.15 | Tasab | wols_, assumed this link can work properly http://pastebin.com/KcMsiwCW |
| 08:46.25 | babilen | ment0s_: And you mount proc, sysfs and dev into the chroot? Could you paste your /var/log/apt/history.log from your system? |
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| 08:47.53 | wols_ | Tasab: do a apt-get dist-upgrade and then try to install libreoffice again. looks like only normal wheezy there |
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| 08:48.08 | wols_ | if it still doesn't work, try to explicitly install the packages it complains about too |
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| 08:49.03 | Tasab | thanks wols_ , will do |
| 08:49.20 | ment0s_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/95395/ |
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| 08:50.30 | ment0s_ | babilen: system crashed after I connected pendrive to it ( none of commands worked as showed every command as command not found, could not reboot, did hard reset and whole system gone wrong ) |
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| 08:52.13 | wols_ | ment0s_: chroot busybox sh should give you a shell on the installation btw |
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| 08:52.44 | wols_ | or chroot dash |
| 08:53.06 | Tasab | wols_, command apt-get dist-upgrade output as : http://pastebin.com/8rERU7HZ |
| 08:53.39 | babilen | ment0s_: I take it that you don't use apt-listbugs as that would have informed you of a number of severe bugs in grub. I currently have the following pins: http://paste.debian.net/95396/ -- I'd suggest to look at the grub specific ones as you seem to have upgraded to the most recent version |
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| 08:53.55 | nestle20 | when i launch 255 instances of rsync im getting errors (on some of them) saying rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [Receiver] and rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [Receiver=3.0.9].. and ssh: Could not resolve hostname (domain.com): Name or service not known.. any ideas? I've set MaxStartups to 500 on both mcahines for ssh.. am using rsync --delete -avrP -e ssh root@box:/path /path |
| 08:54.04 | babilen | ment0s_: Please also note that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) |
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| 08:54.53 | pbase | is there a debian os (or distros based on debian) for mobiles? |
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| 08:55.45 | SirLagz | pbase: Maemo |
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| 08:57.03 | Tasab | wols_, tried 2 install the package through many methods terminal , synaptic and know success |
| 08:57.59 | Tasab | no success , sori |
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| 09:00.01 | wols_ | Tasab: dpkg -l |grep libreoffice |
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| 09:05.16 | ment0s_ | thats the errors before busybox : http://oi59.tinypic.com/1zqr3lt.jpg |
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| 09:08.08 | ment0s_ | i also installed grub from fedora, still the same error. |
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| 09:09.17 | Tasab | wols_, the output of dpkg-l |grep libreoffice see this pls (http://pastebin.com/QyycQAtD) |
| 09:10.28 | wols_ | purge them all including the style package. |
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| 09:10.42 | babilen | ment0s_: Are you sure that your filesystems are in order? Could you fsck them? |
| 09:10.59 | ment0s_ | Babalau: fsck shows no errors on any partitions. |
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| 09:14.36 | ment0s_ | babilen: fsck shows no errors on any partitions |
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| 09:15.51 | babilen | ment0s_: ack |
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| 09:22.36 | S4nD3r | How to install nvidia card (540M) in wheezy. I didn't get it. I tried https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but, nothing. |
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| 09:28.17 | user999 | S4nD3r: Did you do follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 step 1-4 and at step 3 follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure ? |
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| 09:30.43 | S4nD3r | I'll repeat those steps right now |
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| 09:32.23 | S4nD3r | I'll need bumblebee ? |
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| 09:35.02 | S4nD3r | I'll remove bumblebee |
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| 09:40.17 | S4nD3r | maybe I need bumblebee |
| 09:40.20 | S4nD3r | I have optimus |
| 09:41.10 | S4nD3r | in tutorial is talking about that will break my xorg configuration |
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| 09:41.53 | S4nD3r | it's so complicated to use nvidia card in debian system |
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| 09:50.12 | stack | hi, does anyone on jessie and 3.13 has problems with resuming from an hibernate that hangs after trying to unlock luks devices? |
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| 09:54.45 | flos | stack, could you reproduce it? |
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| 09:55.39 | stack | flos: yes, I hit hibernate on xfce, and on boot after inserting the luks password, it hangs, I can't find good boot messages nor errors, where should I look? |
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| 09:57.02 | flos | stack, use a live cd to boot your box and could you unlock your disk? |
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| 09:57.55 | stack | flos: if I power down the machine, and reset the hibernation state doing so, then the machine boots normally, fscking and such.. |
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| 09:58.44 | flos | stack, i think you may sumit a bug. |
| 09:59.00 | DrZaius | im using some weechat from backports and weechat-scripts from wheezy... |
| 09:59.33 | DrZaius | that combination have some bug that kinda breaks weechat |
| 10:00.10 | DrZaius | i should therefore stop using it or find a way to make them work together |
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| 10:00.43 | DrZaius | any suggestion of the best path forward? |
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| 10:06.33 | DrZaius | when i add the testing repository, it tries to upgrade packages no matter what i use as default APT::Default-Release |
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| 10:06.54 | DrZaius | if i use wheezy, it tries to upgrades wheezy-backports |
| 10:07.15 | DrZaius | if i used wheezy-backports, it tries to upgrade a lot other stuff |
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| 10:09.13 | SynrG | DrZaius: 'apt-cache policy'. show, please |
| 10:09.21 | petern_ | Problem is you're not using irssi :D |
| 10:09.47 | SynrG | DrZaius: "when i add the testing repository"? crap. don't do that. |
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| 10:11.09 | SynrG | DrZaius: ensure you only have wheezy-backports in there, apt-get update, and 'apt-cache policy' after that. i'm not interested in seeing it with testing mixed in, which is not supported. |
| 10:11.25 | SynrG | ,v weechat |
| 10:11.26 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.4.3-2; sid: 0.4.3-2 |
| 10:11.28 | SynrG | ,v weechat-scripts |
| 10:11.30 | judd | Package: weechat-scripts on i386 -- squeeze: 20100422-1; wheezy: 20120603-1; jessie: 20140210-1; sid: 20140210-1 |
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| 10:12.38 | SynrG | DrZaius: aw, nvm. it's not going to ever work |
| 10:12.53 | SynrG | weechat-scripts: Depends: weechat-plugins (>= 0.3.6), base-files (>= 4.0.1) |
| 10:13.12 | DrZaius | petern_: i tried to use irssi, but weechat is too damn nice u.u |
| 10:13.22 | DrZaius | its never going to work? :S |
| 10:13.24 | SynrG | weechat-plugins: Depends: weechat-curses (= 0.3.8-1+deb7u1) |
| 10:13.25 | petern_ | But... "wee"... :S |
| 10:13.29 | DrZaius | yeah, i removed testing repo... |
| 10:13.31 | SynrG | DrZaius: never |
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| 10:13.40 | DrZaius | (not installed anything) |
| 10:13.43 | SynrG | ,v weechat-plugins |
| 10:13.44 | judd | Package: weechat-plugins on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.4.3-2; sid: 0.4.3-2 |
| 10:13.59 | SynrG | not unless someone backports weechat-scripts |
| 10:14.13 | SynrG | ,v weechat-curses |
| 10:14.15 | DrZaius | theres lots of scripts in there |
| 10:14.22 | judd | Package: weechat-curses on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.4.3-2; sid: 0.4.3-2 |
| 10:14.28 | SynrG | that dependency chain nails it down to the version in wheezy |
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| 10:14.54 | SynrG | ah, wait. not sure about that. |
| 10:15.00 | DrZaius | i might backport some of them im intereseted in... but the whole package... thats a lot of testing |
| 10:15.12 | SynrG | the weechat-plugins is backported, too |
| 10:15.20 | DrZaius | it is? |
| 10:15.26 | SynrG | see above |
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| 10:15.46 | SynrG | so you ought to be able to apt-get install -t wheezy-backports weechat weechat-plugins |
| 10:15.46 | DrZaius | yeah, weechat-plugins is basic weechat funcionality |
| 10:15.53 | DrZaius | the package is weechat-scripts |
| 10:16.08 | SynrG | you already have weechat-scripts from wheezy installed, right? |
| 10:16.12 | DrZaius | every module is coded as a plugin in weechat |
| 10:16.17 | SynrG | see if the above solves it. |
| 10:16.27 | SynrG | if not, show us the output |
| 10:16.34 | DrZaius | its weechat-scripts |
| 10:16.40 | DrZaius | not weechat-plugins |
| 10:16.48 | SynrG | "its"? |
| 10:16.56 | SynrG | maybe you are not reading ... |
| 10:17.11 | SynrG | <SynrG> weechat-scripts: Depends: weechat-plugins (>= 0.3.6), base-files (>= 4.0.1) |
| 10:17.11 | DrZaius | it's |
| 10:17.23 | SynrG | no, i'm not correcting your grammer |
| 10:17.25 | SynrG | grammar* |
| 10:17.32 | DrZaius | grammer is correct grammar |
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| 10:17.50 | petern_ | 10:59 < DrZaius> that combination have some bug that kinda breaks weechat |
| 10:18.03 | petern_ | Does it break the dependencies, or break weechat's operation? |
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| 10:18.11 | DrZaius | breaks weechat operation |
| 10:18.30 | SynrG | DrZaius: weechat-scripts depends on weechat-plugins ... the dep is loose enough to allow using weechat-plugins from backports |
| 10:18.45 | petern_ | So you have weechat & weechat-plugins from backports and weechat-scripts from wheezy installed fine. But it doesn't work? |
| 10:18.57 | SynrG | DrZaius: the weechat-plugins from wheezy, however, depends on a specific version of weechat-curses, from wheezy |
| 10:18.57 | DrZaius | right petern_ |
| 10:19.15 | petern_ | Now I can't get the poo & wee song out of my head :-( |
| 10:19.23 | SynrG | DrZaius: so describe "doesn't work" |
| 10:19.28 | linuxator | how to label /dev/sda6 as 'swap1'? |
| 10:19.39 | SynrG | you said: |
| 10:19.41 | SynrG | <DrZaius> if i used wheezy-backports, it tries to upgrade a lot other stuff |
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| 10:20.05 | petern_ | linuxator, pass "-L swap1" to mkswap |
| 10:20.09 | SynrG | i thought you hadn't completed that because of dependency issues (which you still haven't shared ...) |
| 10:20.34 | DrZaius | weechat is unable to save channels everytime i quit... i pinned down to some script saving multiple times the irc conf and overwritting the list of channel (im yet to pin point which of the multiple scripts im using from weechat-scripts is the culprit |
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| 10:21.58 | DrZaius | if i used wheezy-backports in the APT::Default-Release line, thats it |
| 10:22.04 | linuxator | petern_: how? |
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| 10:22.54 | DrZaius | (im not sure how to keep everything in wheezy while adding the testing line to sources.list... but that line is now gone... since everybody yells at me that is a bad idea everytime i bring up the topic :>) |
| 10:23.24 | SynrG | DrZaius: ahh. don't ever do that |
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| 10:23.44 | DrZaius | yeah, its off the table now |
| 10:23.46 | SynrG | DrZaius: just download weechat-scripts from testing |
| 10:23.48 | SynrG | dpkg -i it |
| 10:23.48 | dpkg | package it is already installed |
| 10:24.03 | SynrG | i can't see why it shouldn't work |
| 10:24.15 | DrZaius | okay... that seem sensible |
| 10:24.20 | SynrG | no deps are unsatisfiable, that i can see |
| 10:24.26 | DrZaius | ill try that |
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| 10:25.27 | DrZaius | i usually would apt-get download weechat-scripts/testing but since i cant add the testing line without everything wanting to upgrade |
| 10:25.36 | DrZaius | is there another way to download without wget? |
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| 10:27.26 | SynrG | mixing stable & testing isn't supported, so i really think this is the best way. |
| 10:27.42 | cuihao | UIDs of users created by useradd start from 1000. What if I manually create a user with a UID less than 1000? Any side effect? |
| 10:27.54 | DrZaius | cuihao: not really... |
| 10:27.55 | SynrG | DrZaius: i don't see what problem you have with downloading with wget ... |
| 10:28.18 | cuihao | I see |
| 10:28.20 | SynrG | cuihao: it's convention only |
| 10:28.38 | DrZaius | SynrG: this is not a problem, but i asked anyway in case i was missing something builtin more easy :) |
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| 10:28.52 | DrZaius | actually, ill download package in my laptop and upload it via scp |
| 10:28.57 | SynrG | cuihao: the bigger question is, why would you want to do something so confusing? :) |
| 10:29.23 | SynrG | make the uid sufficiently low and it runs into the same range used by adduser to allocate new system users |
| 10:29.27 | DrZaius | cuihao: its a matter of mental order for the users ids |
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| 10:31.12 | SynrG | DrZaius: you could pin it (which is all default release would do) ... you did try setting that to stable and that didn't work for you? |
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| 10:31.27 | abrotman | ssb? |
| 10:31.48 | SynrG | DrZaius: i wouldn't ever recommend that, though ... and anyone with a policy set that way, i would likely refuse to support |
| 10:31.50 | SynrG | abrotman: pointless |
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| 10:32.19 | abrotman | other than learning? |
| 10:32.19 | SynrG | the version in jessie is 100% installable on wheezy, so why bother backporting? |
| 10:32.25 | DrZaius | nah i didnt try pinning... is the same mess that installing from testing into wheezy for me |
| 10:32.30 | SynrG | learning, sure |
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| 10:33.10 | DrZaius | its already installed ill cross fingers and restart chat to test the errors |
| 10:33.17 | DrZaius | thanks SynrG |
| 10:33.24 | SynrG | DrZaius: right. i'm not saying you *should* do it. just that it's technically possible, but introduces sufficient ambiguity that it could end up making support for you hard in future ... |
| 10:33.33 | sandman13 | I have KDE installed, before displaying the login screen, black screen is displayed when I look at other distros with KDE, they have wallpaper there, how do i fix that? |
| 10:33.35 | SynrG | so. don't do that. :) |
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| 10:34.33 | abrotman | sandman13: you want a bootsplash? |
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| 10:35.29 | sandman13 | abrotman: i have bootsplash but after the bootsplash finishes loading and before the login black screen is displayed |
| 10:35.51 | abrotman | for how loong? |
| 10:36.08 | S4nD3r | Back! |
| 10:36.13 | sandman13 | for few seconds like 10 or so |
| 10:36.20 | S4nD3r | I didn't get to install nvidia card (optimus) |
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| 10:36.28 | abrotman | sounds like bootsplash isnt setup to me |
| 10:36.32 | S4nD3r | I just get it using bumblebee |
| 10:36.46 | abrotman | sandman13: what do you think I mean by bootsplash? |
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| 10:37.19 | sandman13 | i thought plymouth abrotman |
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| 10:37.46 | abrotman | and you have it setup for both grub and actual booting? |
| 10:37.54 | stormy2 | hey, i'm deleting stuff off a nfs nas, like just deleted 5gb, but when i do df -h still showing same size avail and 97% use. anything i can do about this |
| 10:38.23 | abrotman | stormy2: was something writing to the file? |
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| 10:39.03 | stormy2 | not that i know fof |
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| 10:39.08 | stormy2 | it was multiply directorys |
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| 10:39.59 | sandman13 | abrotman: this is the line in grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" |
| 10:40.57 | abrotman | sandman13: do you ever see plymouth after grub? |
| 10:41.25 | abrotman | this is jessie? |
| 10:41.31 | sandman13 | yes i see it abrotman |
| 10:41.41 | sandman13 | nope Wheezy |
| 10:42.02 | abrotman | then im out of ideas |
| 10:42.20 | abrotman | fglrx or nvidia blob? |
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| 10:42.42 | sandman13 | no intel |
| 10:43.21 | abrotman | sandman13: tried another DM to see if it might be a thing with kdm? |
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| 10:44.29 | sandman13 | this is what happens: chose debian from grub => plymouth starts loading => plymouth finished loading => black screen for 10 seconds => login screen |
| 10:44.35 | sandman13 | abrotman^ |
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| 10:45.06 | stormy2 | the nas is mounted on two servers would that cause a ISSUE? |
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| 10:45.33 | abrotman | runs to go to the office |
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| 10:47.11 | S4nD3r | Please, who knows a tutorial to install nvidia optimus card in Wheezy? I need to use CUDA, then is need to install proprietary drivers |
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| 10:48.34 | SynrG | !bumblebee |
| 10:48.34 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:49.34 | pdvyas | is bumblebee the same project that did rm -rf / on make clean? |
| 10:49.37 | SynrG | there are two sets of instructions there. make sure you're following the right one (i.e. install bumblebee-nvidia, not bumblebee) |
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| 10:54.47 | stormy2 | any one got any ideas on why this nas isn't show the correct space? |
| 10:55.12 | SynrG | stormy2: what is "the correct space"? how much is it off by? |
| 10:55.20 | stormy2 | i'm not to sure to be fair |
| 10:55.34 | stormy2 | but i know i've deleted around 5gb a moment ago i would guess about 80gb earlier |
| 10:55.39 | SynrG | then maybe you should say what the problem is, showing output |
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| 10:56.02 | stormy2 | 10.16.101.46:/nas-002090/backup 599G 578G 22G 97% /mnt/backup |
| 10:56.23 | SynrG | and it was at 100% before? |
| 10:56.31 | stormy2 | nope it's been that all the time |
| 10:56.40 | stormy2 | deleted 6gb i know of as i checked using ncdu of the folders |
| 10:56.46 | stormy2 | on the * |
| 10:56.53 | stormy2 | then run df -h again and nothing changed |
| 10:57.33 | SynrG | ow. you have no reserved space on that? doesn't sound like a great idea. |
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| 10:57.55 | stormy2 | it's only backup partition it's 1tb drive so i guess it has reserved space |
| 10:58.02 | stormy2 | as parition only 600gb |
| 10:58.29 | SynrG | 578+22 = 600 = no reserved space |
| 10:59.00 | stormy2 | to be honnest, I never set this up. |
| 10:59.01 | SynrG | oh well. anyway, that's not the issue |
| 10:59.21 | stormy2 | but i see what your saying, and i'm in middle of setting up new esxi vm's etc so will add reserved space |
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| 10:59.56 | SynrG | did you remove currently open files? |
| 11:00.06 | stormy2 | as far as i know |
| 11:00.08 | stormy2 | no i hadn't |
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| 11:00.34 | stormy2 | it was rsync folders, i've edited crontab job out this morning and made sure it wasn't running |
| 11:00.56 | stormy2 | hmm |
| 11:01.05 | SynrG | hm. no idea. is that smb? nfs? |
| 11:01.15 | stormy2 | nfs |
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| 11:04.37 | SynrG | can you ssh to the nas and df there, or otherwise get the nas to directly divulge how much space *it* thinks it has? |
| 11:06.14 | stormy2 | hmm not to sure |
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| 11:06.22 | SynrG | stormy2: possibly the files have other hardlinks to them |
| 11:06.32 | SynrG | do you have an ls -l of the files from before you removed them? |
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| 11:06.53 | SynrG | so if they are hardlinked, you just removed the hardlinks only, and not the data |
| 11:07.39 | SynrG | if it's a backup drive, and you were trying to manually remove some backups, you shouldn't do it that way. you should use the backup software to remove no longer needed backups. |
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| 11:08.17 | SynrG | backup software can use hardlink farms in order to save having to re-backup the same data that has not changed since last backup. |
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| 11:12.23 | SynrG | stormy2: in ls -l (from before delete) i would be looking for > 1 ref count, e.g. |
| 11:12.28 | SynrG | -rw-r--r-- 2 ben ben 0 Apr 24 08:11 hardlink |
| 11:12.29 | SynrG | -rw-r--r-- 2 ben ben 0 Apr 24 08:11 hardlink2 |
| 11:12.37 | SynrG | ref count is the second column. |
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| 11:42.18 | reindeernix | Hello, so I am currently trying to install wine so I can run 32bit Windows applications, I have a problem installing it though and it throws errors at me when I try to install wine:i386 and wine32, http://pastebin.com/TsHH1BVZ |
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| 11:42.44 | reindeernix | I have run dpkg --add-architecture i386 and apt-get update after that |
| 11:42.52 | reindeernix | But it still gives me the errors |
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| 11:59.37 | petn-randall | Are there any downsides of using ecdsa for https? Like unsupported browsers, or some CAs not signing them, etc? |
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| 12:01.09 | frostschutz | plenty |
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| 12:01.34 | petn-randall | frostschutz: Which are? |
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| 12:09.29 | mikedep333 | Hi. Is there a recommended method for installing a handful of sid packages on jessie? |
| 12:09.30 | mikedep333 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Can_I_use_sid_packages_on_testing.3F |
| 12:09.51 | mikedep333 | for example, adding sid as an apt repo and making it not automatically upgraded to? |
| 12:10.38 | mikedep333 | is very familiar with Ubuntu and fairly familiar with RHEL/CentOS/Red Hat, but new to Debian |
| 12:11.12 | mikedep333 | *RHEL/CentOS/Fedora |
| 12:12.52 | mikedep333 | I am reading this now: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:13.14 | LRN | try apt pinning |
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| 12:13.51 | zykotick9 | !tell mikedep333 about ssb |
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| 12:14.49 | mikedep333 | thanks |
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| 12:15.45 | zykotick9 | mikedep333: before you try mixing binary releases, you may also want to see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" |
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| 12:16.31 | mikedep333 | gotcha |
| 12:16.52 | mikedep333 | I was assuming that mixing jessie and sid would be low risk |
| 12:17.22 | zykotick9 | mikedep333: it would _probably_ work, but it's not a good idea... |
| 12:17.26 | mikedep333 | right |
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| 12:18.35 | mikedep333 | btw, as an Ubuntu user, I am glad the instructions call for using aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 12:20.17 | petern_ | Why glad? |
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| 12:20.50 | petern_ | ISTR Ubuntu had this thing for saying apt-get shouldn't be used or something... |
| 12:21.01 | mikedep333 | because as a CLI user, aptitude seems much more powerful and easier to use than apt-get and apt-cache |
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| 12:22.26 | zykotick9 | petern_: <OT> other way around, it was aptitude ubuntu had issues with... |
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| 12:23.00 | mikedep333 | yeah, I'm not sure why Ubuntu favors apt-get & apt-cache over Aptitude. |
| 12:23.02 | mikedep333 | anyway |
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| 12:23.44 | zykotick9 | mikedep333: you'll find debian recommended apt-get for some things... dist-upgrade for example ;) |
| 12:25.21 | mikedep333 | gotcha |
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| 12:35.41 | petern_ | I tend not to have aptitude installed. |
| 12:36.51 | babilen | petern_: You should, it is a very useful tool in some situations and I wouldn't want to miss it. |
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| 12:37.31 | petern_ | Not on servers where I have a requirement to have as little as possible installed. |
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| 12:39.42 | abrotman | It doesn't require much more |
| 12:40.01 | babilen | petern_: I personally rate "Can solve hairy dependency issues" higher than "small aptitude package not installed" |
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| 12:40.11 | abrotman | judd: info aptitude |
| 12:40.12 | judd | Package aptitude (admin, important) in wheezy/i386: terminal-based package manager. Version: 0.6.8.2-1; Size: 1421.6k; Installed: 4602k; Homepage: http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/aptitude |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | 4.5MB .. OMG |
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| 12:41.34 | jelly | ... basically, use the other when the one you use gets confused |
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| 12:42.40 | stack | http://boycottsystemd.org/ yeah |
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| 12:43.25 | babilen | stack: Take it elsewhere please (e.g. /dev/null) and don't spam #debian* channels. |
| 12:43.43 | jelly | linking incendiary material helps no support channels |
| 12:44.04 | stack | puts a blanket on the flame |
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| 12:46.06 | petern_ | It's not about size, it's about what is absolutely required. And if apt-get can't solve dependencies then generally something is wrong. |
| 12:46.19 | Zzeiss | Just a THANK YOU! I put a new SSD in my MacBook Pro, put in MacOS, made an empty space for Debian, ran the LiveCD Install, did "apt-get install grub2" and it all JUST WORKED! |
| 12:46.25 | abrotman | petern_: not always true, but your loss |
| 12:46.41 | Zzeiss | (well, I had to frak with the wireless, but that's to be expected) |
| 12:46.42 | petern_ | Not my loss, I don't need it :-) |
| 12:47.07 | babilen | Zzeiss: Great! Enjoy :) |
| 12:47.15 | abrotman | petern_: you don't know you need it .. |
| 12:47.20 | stack | jelly babilen , anyway I was wondering if any of those points were considered before switching, I don't really followed the mailing list thread about the decision |
| 12:47.52 | abrotman | stack: then please go read the bug, we're not going to rehash it here |
| 12:48.01 | themill | stack: no, of course not. No-one thought of them at all. |
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| 12:48.45 | babilen | stack: *everything* has been considered at least once (quite often multiple times) -- Read the bug and, if you don't want to spend weeks, start with the CTTE member statements (in particular Russ's analysis in https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html ) |
| 12:48.48 | petern_ | I don't know I need it. I do know I don't need it. |
| 12:49.03 | babilen | Apart from that, lets move on. |
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| 12:49.35 | Zzeiss | One thing driven home by this: when a new version of Debian releases, sure, yeah you can do dist-upgrade, but a clean install is so much nicer. :) |
| 12:49.45 | petern_ | There's not going to be hairy dependencies on a minimal system, and if there are, generally aptitude makes a right mess of them anyway. |
| 12:50.01 | stack | babilen: ok thanks for the pointer |
| 12:50.07 | arcke | i am building .debs of the latest linux git i tried make-kpkg --append-to-version "-custom" --revision "1" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image kernel_headers, and some variations, this fails and reports the error "could not open directory /lib/modules/3.15.0-rc2-custom-..." and tells me to install linux-headers-3.15.0--rc2-custom-.... |
| 12:50.22 | petern_ | make-kpkg is obsolete, afaik. |
| 12:50.27 | arcke | installing linux-headers fails for the same reason |
| 12:50.31 | arcke | ok |
| 12:50.51 | babilen | arcke: Please refer to http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 12:50.52 | arcke | the deb packages i built using make deb-pkg didnt modify grub config |
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| 12:51.31 | arcke | are we assumed to do this manually? |
| 12:51.33 | Bronze | Good morn' all. I'm new to Debian, and trying to get a handle on configuring daemons/services. There is no ckconfig in debian right? What is the equivalent command line tool to remove a service from starting up when the system is booted? |
| 12:52.34 | babilen | arcke: no, you are not |
| 12:52.54 | babilen | But then I haven't compiled a kernel in a couple of years. Why do you have to? |
| 12:53.03 | arcke | packages were built ok as far as i could tell |
| 12:53.39 | jelly | babilen: perhaps the link to rra's excellent analysis might find its way to a factoid so we can slap it in the face of the next person who finds out about this particular issue |
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| 12:53.50 | babilen | arcke: Are you not looking for 4.2.5 Building packages for one flavour ? |
| 12:53.51 | arcke | possibly to make some modifications |
| 12:54.03 | babilen | jelly: Splendid idea <init-slap> ? |
| 12:54.27 | jelly | babilen: oh. Can't be bothered to rename <why systemd> |
| 12:54.30 | arcke | first step is actually installing a recent linux |
| 12:54.46 | babilen | arcke: You can grab 3.13 from wheezy-backports |
| 12:54.48 | jelly | feel free to CMD:ize it! :-> |
| 12:54.54 | abrotman | Bronze: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 12:55.10 | Bronze | abrotman: thank you. :-) |
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| 12:56.27 | SirLagz | I think i'm about to kill my debian installation... |
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| 12:56.38 | arcke | babilen: its a way, but im looking to track linux through git this way |
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| 12:57.57 | babilen | arcke: You might want to ask in #debian-kernel about sensible ways to achieve that. We typically try to support the packages that are being offered and tend to not recommend tracking git HEAD, but to use tested and packaged software versions. |
| 12:58.11 | babilen | (as all other official channels that one is on irc.oftc.net too) |
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| 12:58.56 | arcke | babilen: ok, thnx |
| 12:59.05 | arcke | might check it out later |
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| 13:00.33 | babilen | arcke: I mean there is typically little reason for users to do so as fairly recent kernel images are available through either backports or experimental. Do you have a particular reason for your need to track git HEAD? |
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| 13:04.07 | arcke | babilen: no specific reason |
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| 13:05.47 | babilen | arcke: Why invest time and effort into it then? |
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| 13:08.52 | g105b | How can I set a script to automatically execute when any file within a directory tree has its contents changed? |
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| 13:13.36 | ksk | g105b: inotify I would guess is what you need |
| 13:14.07 | average | g105b: while [ "1" -eq "1" ]; do inotifywait /dirpath; script-to-run.sh; done |
| 13:14.34 | average | user@xw:/tmp$ aptitude show inotify-tools |
| 13:14.35 | average | Package: inotify-tools |
| 13:14.36 | jelly | gives average a builtin : command instead of [ ... ] |
| 13:14.40 | g105b | average: very nice solution, thank you. ksk thank you too for getting there first :) |
| 13:14.44 | linedash | while [ "1" -eq "1" ] |
| 13:14.45 | linedash | lawl |
| 13:14.51 | linedash | use while true |
| 13:14.54 | average | I dunno Bash what?! |
| 13:14.59 | average | I can survive with just Perl |
| 13:15.04 | g105b | heh |
| 13:15.16 | g105b | The idea is there, that's what I needed. |
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| 13:15.21 | average | cool |
| 13:16.24 | themill | (also, while inotifywait ...) |
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| 13:17.42 | SirLagz | damn, I've managed to break vlc somehow |
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| 13:20.56 | jelly | is there way to make debian-live more verbose at startup? it starts to boot, then 2 minutes later a kernel "task hung" appears |
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| 13:23.01 | petn-randall | jelly: remove 'quiet' from the kernel commandline, you may also add 'debug' to it. |
| 13:23.34 | ksk | ,versions php5 |
| 13:23.35 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u8; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u9; jessie: 5.5.11+dfsg-2; sid: 5.5.11+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.6.0~alpha3+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~beta1+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.6.0~beta1+dfsg-2 |
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| 13:24.52 | average | jelly: maybe https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Akernel.org+"hung_task_timeout_secs" |
| 13:25.11 | average | not sure |
| 13:25.49 | jelly | maybe not. |
| 13:26.02 | average | well, ok :) |
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| 13:30.00 | jelly | delaying or hurrying up a symptom does not change the underlying cause; I mentioned it mostly because it shows something went awry; there's a single userspace line before that about loading preseed values |
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| 13:31.17 | rawtaz | hi. i have a question; i recently installed a fresh debian 7 (or well, it was a template provided by OnApp as part of a VPS), and the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file (after installing apache2) didnt have a ServerName in it. is that intentional? AFAIK a virtual host without a ServerName is not valid |
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| 13:31.53 | rawtaz | (and it makes things not working when you add a custom vhost, because they default one gets/"inherits" the ServerName of the custom vhost, so your request goes to the wrong one) |
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| 13:33.06 | average | rawtaz: "The ServerName directive may appear anywhere within the definition of a server. However, each appearance overrides the previous appearance (within that server). If no ServerName is specified, the server attempts to deduce it from the server's IP address" |
| 13:33.22 | average | rawtaz: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/details.html |
| 13:34.21 | rawtaz | ok. so an unlucky combination of circumstances resulting in failure then |
| 13:34.46 | average | maybe but AFAIU you can fix it, right? |
| 13:35.02 | rawtaz | yeah sure i know how to fix it |
| 13:35.10 | rawtaz | gotta check something |
| 13:35.12 | average | ok |
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| 13:36.35 | rawtaz | aha. the thing is this; the vhost I added myself is for the same server name as the default one picked up. so the server is foo.com and that is what the default vhost picked up. i then added a vhost with the same name, and thought that the defualt one got my vhost's info somehow |
| 13:36.46 | rawtaz | so just a "collision" |
| 13:36.59 | rawtaz | then it's fine, works as intended and not done wrong so to speak :) |
| 13:38.12 | g105b | I've finished my app, now I want to package up a .deb file for the first time - where do I start? |
| 13:40.17 | stormy2 | hmm does any one know much about .zfs's on a nas drive? |
| 13:40.24 | average | g105b: I recommend the Debian Maintainer's guide |
| 13:40.43 | average | g105b: it's a very well written document, and I aspire some day to be able to write documents like that |
| 13:40.52 | average | unfortunately I'm a complete failre on that side of things hah |
| 13:40.57 | average | *failure |
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| 13:41.37 | jelly | !nmg |
| 13:41.37 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:41.50 | average | stormy2: your question is great, you've included a lot of detail. Thank you so much for asking such a detailed question sir |
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| 13:43.24 | average | here's my answer: I've used ZFS, not on NAS. I don't know why it would make a really big difference if it was on NAS. But since you've included so much detail I can barely go through it to understand how to answer |
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| 13:44.32 | stormy2 | average: thanks for the sarcastic |
| 13:44.34 | stormy2 | :) |
| 13:44.49 | average | stormy2: thanks for providing me the opportunity, I am very fortunate :) |
| 13:45.05 | stormy2 | to be fair i hit enter then walked off before actually typing everything lol! :) |
| 13:45.28 | average | stormy2: you are such in a rush sir, you must be a really busy man |
| 13:45.41 | average | ok I gtg get cigarettes ttyl |
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| 13:47.02 | JordiGH | I kind of hate that every programming language wants to have its own package manager. At the moment I'm looking at Haskell. Is there an easy way to make personal debs of cabal packages? |
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| 13:47.23 | JordiGH | (worse is when every programming language wants to have multiple package managers) |
| 13:47.44 | average | JordiGH: https://packages.debian.org/sid/haskell-devscripts ? |
| 13:48.21 | JordiGH | Hm, I was hoping for something more automated like cpan2deb or py2dsc. |
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| 13:48.42 | JordiGH | er, dh-make-perl |
| 13:48.59 | JordiGH | Well, maybe haskell-devscripts is good enough. |
| 13:49.43 | JordiGH | !info cabal-debian |
| 13:50.15 | dpkg | cabal-debian: (Create a debianization for a cabal package), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4509 kB, Installed size: 32310 kB |
| 13:50.28 | JordiGH | Maybe that's what I want. |
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| 13:57.33 | S4nD3r | please |
| 13:57.51 | S4nD3r | When I tried to install nvidia card using wiki.debian |
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| 13:57.56 | S4nD3r | nothing is installed |
| 13:58.08 | S4nD3r | someone can help me? |
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| 13:58.40 | S4nD3r | nvidia-detect script gave me the same output showed in wiki |
| 13:58.54 | S4nD3r | but I didn't get to install nvidia-glx |
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| 14:01.55 | average | S4nD3r: read the mailing list, re-read the wiki, read forums, try ubuntu(see if the drivers there work, and if they do, use them in debian maybe!) |
| 14:02.16 | average | read the release notes of nivida drivers, are you sure your card is supported? |
| 14:02.27 | average | take the card out, and use it on a different system, does it work there ? |
| 14:02.36 | S4nD3r | Its supported |
| 14:02.47 | S4nD3r | I tried a lot of things |
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| 14:03.11 | average | S4nD3r: well, write a message to a mailing list describing what you did |
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| 14:03.50 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 14:03.55 | S4nD3r | thank you |
| 14:03.57 | average | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nvidia-devel/ |
| 14:04.13 | average | also check this qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 14:16.27 | jelly | average: it would perhaps be better if you only helped with tech questions you actually have experience with. Telling someone to read nvidia maintainers dev list is a step in the wrong direction. |
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| 14:16.55 | average | jelly: you're right. sorry |
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| 14:17.37 | jelly | S4nD3r: where did you get stuck going thru what wiki said? |
| 14:17.37 | average | jelly: I'm still curious though if there's a particular place where people discuss nvidia drivers for debian.. or linux in general.. preferably a mailing list |
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| 14:18.31 | jelly | average: try the #nvidia channel. |
| 14:18.52 | jelly | This is the right channel for debian. |
| 14:20.36 | S4nD3r | I'll gry in nvidia |
| 14:20.39 | S4nD3r | dry |
| 14:20.41 | S4nD3r | jelly, |
| 14:20.47 | S4nD3r | try** |
| 14:21.10 | SirLagz | aaaand I killed it. reinstall time ! |
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| 14:21.56 | S4nD3r | I'm stuck |
| 14:22.05 | jelly | S4nD3r: uh, please try the debian packaging first, it will save you trouble in the long run |
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| 14:22.50 | jelly | S4nD3r: stuck where after doing what?? |
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| 14:23.14 | S4nD3r | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:23.21 | S4nD3r | I got each step |
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| 14:23.31 | S4nD3r | until step 2 |
| 14:23.56 | S4nD3r | but aptitude -r ... do not get package |
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| 14:24.40 | S4nD3r | I have a 540M GeForce card |
| 14:25.16 | S4nD3r | it's in GeForce 6xxx steps to follow |
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| 14:26.04 | S4nD3r | the version showed there is 304.88 |
| 14:26.23 | S4nD3r | I upgraded sources.list file |
| 14:26.41 | S4nD3r | but, I didn't get to install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 14:28.23 | S4nD3r | then, I didn't get to install nvidia-glx too |
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| 14:29.17 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about errors |
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| 14:29.29 | wols_ | if step 2 goes wrong show us your step 2 and what it says |
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| 14:30.01 | SynrG | S4nD3r: *still* on this? |
| 14:30.10 | SynrG | what happened to me referring you to the bumblebee page? |
| 14:30.27 | wols_ | SynrG: aptitude doesn't care about bumblebee :) |
| 14:30.36 | stormy2 | average: .zfs jsut a snapshut? |
| 14:30.50 | SynrG | bah. |
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| 14:31.07 | stormy2 | so e.g if i have deleted some live files can i then just delete them in the .zfs dir with out it crying? |
| 14:31.16 | S4nD3r | How to install nvidia proprietary driver in wheezy ? |
| 14:31.31 | S4nD3r | it's a optimus card |
| 14:31.39 | SynrG | i *answered* this |
| 14:31.43 | SynrG | !bumblebee |
| 14:31.44 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:32.06 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 14:32.10 | SirLagz | S4nD3r: does the laptop actually have optimus ? |
| 14:32.13 | SynrG | ^^ do that, and pay attention, as there are two sets of instructions there, one for bumblebee, and bumblebee-nvidia |
| 14:32.15 | SirLagz | S4nD3r: not all laptops will have optimus |
| 14:32.21 | SynrG | the latter is the proprietary driver which you said you want |
| 14:32.34 | S4nD3r | It's a GeForce 540M |
| 14:32.47 | SirLagz | that just means it's optimus capable. |
| 14:32.55 | SirLagz | doesn't mean the laptop actually has optimus |
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| 14:33.02 | S4nD3r | Ok |
| 14:33.16 | S4nD3r | I got to install bumblebee-nvidia |
| 14:33.23 | SirLagz | run the lspci command that was in the dpkg paste above and then see if you actually have optimus first... |
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| 14:34.38 | S4nD3r | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 14:34.45 | S4nD3r | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] [10de:0df4] (rev a1) |
| 14:34.51 | SirLagz | S4nD3r: ok cool |
| 14:35.00 | SirLagz | S4nD3r: go ahead and get bumblebee then |
| 14:35.10 | S4nD3r | bumblebee-nvidia, right? |
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| 14:35.26 | SirLagz | S4nD3r: sure why not. |
| 14:35.31 | S4nD3r | Ok! |
| 14:35.37 | S4nD3r | I'll install it |
| 14:35.46 | S4nD3r | after that, I'll need to install CUDA |
| 14:35.56 | S4nD3r | this requires proprietary driver |
| 14:36.46 | S4nD3r | bumblebee installed! |
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| 14:41.05 | SynrG | S4nD3r: and by 'bumblebee installed' you mean 'bumblebee-nvidia' isntalled? |
| 14:41.14 | SynrG | installed* |
| 14:41.19 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 14:41.31 | SynrG | i gotta scoot. hopefully th rest goes well for you now :) |
| 14:41.35 | SynrG | if not, lots of helpers here |
| 14:41.36 | SynrG | later |
| 14:42.18 | babilen | S4nD3r: I would strongly advise you to read https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee completely (yes, all of it) |
| 14:44.03 | SWAT | does anybody know why /etc/fstab accepts octal characters but not hexadecimal? (e.g. \040 for space, but not \x20 for space) |
| 14:44.08 | vhristev | Buble was EPIC Fail |
| 14:44.09 | vhristev | http://forum.digitalpowered.net/index.php?showtopic=40920 |
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| 14:45.00 | average | stormy2: small question again. c'mon man, what is this, a riddle, write the full question |
| 14:45.53 | average | 17:30 < stormy2> average: .zfs jsut a snapshut? |
| 14:45.57 | average | ^^ |
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| 14:46.46 | S4nD3r | babilen, I read |
| 14:46.50 | S4nD3r | believe on me! |
| 14:46.52 | S4nD3r | :D |
| 14:47.04 | stormy2 | average: to be fair i don't know what the question is lol! |
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| 14:47.26 | stormy2 | i have a nas which is rapidly running out of space, i've rm -rf a shit load but the .zfs dir still is holding the data |
| 14:47.49 | stormy2 | i don't know how often the snapshot runs? as it will give me like 200gb of space back that i need lol |
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| 14:48.32 | wols_ | stormy2: which debian do you run there? |
| 14:49.49 | average | from my limited usage of zfs, I've noticed zfs is basically contained in one file, which you can mount to a directory. deleting a file in the mounted directory should be equivalent to deleting it in the actual zfs |
| 14:49.53 | average | however.. |
| 14:50.34 | average | I've noticed(when I used zfs, about 5 months ago) that the file that stored the entire zfs, was fixed size, and not adaptive, therefore, regardless of deleting a file from the mounted zfs, the zfs would still take up the same amount of physical space |
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| 14:51.11 | stormy2 | wols_: squeeze |
| 14:51.31 | average | this is one reason for which I've been looking for a compressed filesystem like ZFS that would only take as much space as it needs in order to store the files it contains. I've haven't been able to find this so far(but I haven't looked much either) |
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| 14:51.47 | stormy2 | ah ok makes a bit more sense, so i'm hopign that when the snapshot runs it will sort it's self out and re-write the files? |
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| 14:52.22 | average | I haven't used snapshots with zfs, maybe you'd like to give more details about what snapshots you're refering to |
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| 14:54.35 | stormy2 | to be honnest |
| 14:54.49 | stormy2 | i have no f*ing idea, i never set this up |
| 14:55.01 | stormy2 | but don't worry about it! i've got another idea. |
| 14:55.21 | stormy2 | it's a external nas that is hosted for us, will just ping them a email and make them sort it |
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| 14:55.57 | average | stormy2: but the topic of zfs interests me btw, so if you ever want to talk about it more in-depth lemme know |
| 14:56.01 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I add a subject line when I'm using ssmtp from CLI in a cronjob? |
| 14:56.15 | stormy2 | average: i've never heard of it till i said about it earlier! |
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| 14:56.36 | stormy2 | just trying to work out why i have a 1tb drive for space and it's full at 600gb! when to me i should have another 400gb free! |
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| 15:00.31 | average | stormy2: I've downloaded the entire zfs.user mailing list. Should you want to read through it, feel free to download it in MBOX format here http://garage-coding.com/zfs.user.mbox.gz |
| 15:00.57 | average | stormy2: I did this for myself mostly. But if you'd like to do some reading feel free to download it. I'll delete the file tommorow |
| 15:01.09 | stormy2 | average: gues it's soemthing yuo want read into and use then |
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| 15:04.12 | stormy2 | do you think it's the way file systems will go? |
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| 15:05.23 | average | what do you mean? |
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| 15:06.05 | stormy2 | well on reading about it it sounds like it compresses / uses less space etc then current file ssytem layout |
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| 15:06.15 | stormy2 | e.g be a improvement |
| 15:06.43 | average | yes indeed, you can keep your files compressed on disk. there is overhead due to (de)compression but, you still get a big advantage in that you can store more than you're normally able to |
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| 15:07.03 | average | there are tradeoffs as always, but you get improvements too yes |
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| 15:08.24 | average | it's funny when you use du/df inside a zfs, you will get different values than what you normally do |
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| 15:08.51 | average | it's like the flow of time that inception movie, where time flows at different speeds :) |
| 15:09.11 | stormy2 | ah ok makes more sense! |
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| 15:30.10 | Ruum | hey guys, I am trying to pick which architecture install iso I need for debian - my processor is an 2.26 GHz Intell Core 2 Duo already running a 64 bit OS |
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| 15:30.54 | Ruum | so should I go with Intell Itanium IA-64? |
| 15:30.57 | babilen | Ruum: amd64 is probably what you want |
| 15:31.13 | JordiGH | Ruum: Itanium is a specific arch, not the same as most 64-bit intels. |
| 15:31.17 | babilen | dpkg: ktell Ruum -about ia64 |
| 15:31.17 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, babilen |
| 15:31.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ruum -about ia64 |
| 15:31.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ruum -about why amd64 |
| 15:31.38 | JordiGH | Tell me too! |
| 15:31.44 | JordiGH | !why amd64 |
| 15:31.45 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 15:32.02 | JordiGH | !ia64 |
| 15:32.03 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers. http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ . Debian 8 ("Jessie") drops official support for Intel Itanium Architecture. It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. See also <qotd279>. |
| 15:32.20 | JordiGH | !qotd279 |
| 15:32.20 | dpkg | <themill> I've always thought we should have a boot-failure message on the ia64 CDs that says "You wanted amd64 you twat" <nipsy> Maybe someting a bit more polite? :) <themill> that *is* the polite version. |
| 15:32.49 | babilen | heh |
| 15:32.52 | babilen | hugs themill |
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| 15:33.42 | Ruum | thanks |
| 15:34.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ruum -about install debian |
| 15:34.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ruum -about firmware image |
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| 15:36.05 | Ruum | hahaha |
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| 15:36.23 | Ruum | omg I miss the chat rooms!! |
| 15:36.47 | Ruum | lol snarky much? |
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| 15:37.10 | Ruum | *sigh* it feels good to get back to coding again!! |
| 15:38.15 | Lady_Aleena | is praying K3b is ripping this CD correctly. |
| 15:39.00 | petern_ | I have some CDs that need the speed to be dropped massively to rip properly :S |
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| 15:40.13 | Lady_Aleena | It is such a pain to set up the ripping. With WMP it was insert disk, select rip, and sit back and relax. |
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| 15:42.05 | JordiGH | I haven't used a CD in years. |
| 15:42.09 | Lady_Aleena | I have to dig around K3b and tell it to make MP3 the default choice after I rip these two disks. |
| 15:42.29 | JordiGH | Why are you using them, Lady_Aleena? What's holding back the glorious cd-less future? |
| 15:42.44 | average | she just wants to do it her way |
| 15:42.52 | JordiGH | Is it old hardware? |
| 15:43.05 | JordiGH | Is it corporate policies? |
| 15:43.10 | Lady_Aleena | JordiGH, because I got the use of them for free. |
| 15:43.12 | JordiGH | Who's responsible for this? Heads will roll. |
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| 15:43.30 | Lady_Aleena | Free music is the best music. |
| 15:44.00 | JordiGH | Oh, music CDs. I guess musicians still distribute those. |
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| 15:44.44 | _boot | what's wrong with physical media? it's not dead yet |
| 15:45.02 | average | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/cdcopy.iso is enough imho |
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| 15:45.18 | average | you can recover stuff from the .iso afterwards |
| 15:45.36 | Lady_Aleena | average, still not comfy on the command line yet. |
| 15:45.51 | mdasilva | hi all, im having trouble building a deb package. dpkg-source is reporting changes, which i must commit as a patch, which i do. but dpkg-source keeps reporting the same file after committing the patch. subsequent patches are the same. any idea what is going wrong? |
| 15:45.59 | _boot | i shat myself the first time I realised I could use dd to generate an iso just like that |
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| 15:47.06 | _boot | what happened to that effort to get music distributed on microSDs? |
| 15:47.11 | JordiGH | They fit more than a DVD too. |
| 15:47.14 | average | JordiGH: this one mean ? http://www.dvhardware.net/article23467.html |
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| 15:47.50 | _boot | yeah, I like CDs though |
| 15:48.04 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, I am finding CDs are sometimes cheaper than downloads. |
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| 15:48.44 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! This rip is taking forever! |
| 15:49.44 | Lady_Aleena | zzzzz |
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| 15:50.02 | Nik05 | Lady_Aleena -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:50.51 | Lady_Aleena | Nik05, It is kind of on topic as the software I am using came with Debian when I installed it. |
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| 15:52.07 | Lady_Aleena | Anyone here use K3b which came with Debian? |
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| 15:52.35 | _boot | debian comes with K3b now? |
| 15:52.55 | JordiGH | !info k3b |
| 15:52.55 | Lady_Aleena | It was there after I installed Debian. |
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| 15:53.41 | Lady_Aleena | I don't remember installing it separately. |
| 15:53.45 | dpkg | k3b: (Sophisticated CD/DVD burning application), section kde, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 1759 kB |
| 15:53.46 | JordiGH | _boot: Yes --^ |
| 15:53.59 | _boot | lol there was quite a delay on that query |
| 15:54.01 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 15:54.09 | _boot | oh right, must be the kde installation image? |
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| 15:58.16 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, why does Debian consider mp3 lame? |
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| 15:58.38 | wols_ | Lady_Aleena: please read up what LAME (not lame) means |
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| 15:59.51 | petern_ | :-) |
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| 16:01.02 | centrx | !lame |
| 16:01.03 | dpkg | LAME is an open source MP3 encoder, accepted into <main> in July 2011 (closing bug #90091); unofficial packages for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" are available from <deb-multimedia>. Applications using <GStreamer> for MP3 file output require the LAME plugin, packaged as gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly package for Debian 7 "Wheezy", and as gstreamer0.10-lame (in <dmm>) for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://lame.sf.net/ #mp3encoder on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:02.27 | Lady_Aleena | I hope these mp3 files play in my car radio like Windows mp3 files do. |
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| 16:03.04 | oskie | yes they will |
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| 16:04.18 | JordiGH | wols_: We regret to inform you that a joke has been told in your vicinity. |
| 16:04.20 | JordiGH | (re: lame) |
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| 16:06.07 | wols_ | JordiGH: the jokester shouldn't try to make a career out of it. the audience will throw many tomatoes and eggs |
| 16:07.00 | stormy2 | on my nas, i've just done rm -rf /bah/ on 18gb file, i run df -h before and after and the size hasn't changed, it's a nfs nas parition connected via a mount in /etc/fstab any ideas why space isn't showing free |
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| 16:07.41 | Lady_Aleena | !#@$ |
| 16:08.18 | _boot | perhaps something still has those files open? |
| 16:09.47 | stormy2 | shouldn't do unless it's cause it's mounted across more then one server? same mount? |
| 16:10.21 | _boot | try lsof on the nas? |
| 16:10.37 | _boot | do any other machines report the same amount of free space? |
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| 16:11.43 | Lady_Aleena | It didn't create the folder for the album! |
| 16:12.15 | _boot | where did it put them? |
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| 16:12.37 | Lady_Aleena | In my general Music directory. |
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| 16:12.57 | stormy2 | _boot: all same reading |
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| 16:13.08 | Lady_Aleena | Doesn't K3b know to create a folder for the artist then a folder for the album? |
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| 16:13.22 | _boot | probably somewhere in the settings |
| 16:13.33 | Lady_Aleena | It should be standard. |
| 16:13.38 | _boot | then change it? |
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| 16:13.58 | _boot | i've never used k3b, I go full OCD with music organisation though |
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| 16:14.11 | _boot | stormy2: checked lsof on the nas? |
| 16:15.03 | Lady_Aleena | Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? |
| 16:15.13 | stormy2 | _boot: yup what am i looking form, i know atm psql is writing a dump to it, but thats not in the same directory or anything to do with it. |
| 16:15.33 | _boot | mhm, lately I started using a little tool called beet to re-tag and organise my media |
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| 16:15.50 | _boot | stormy2: I've no idea then :| |
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| 16:15.55 | Lady_Aleena | I don't use tags. They are such a waste of time. |
| 16:15.57 | stormy2 | hmm nor do i lol! |
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| 16:16.11 | _boot | Tags aren't a waste of time if you use them |
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| 16:16.19 | stormy2 | but nvm it's home time! will worry tomorrow lol |
| 16:16.22 | Lady_Aleena | I don't see there usefulness. |
| 16:16.33 | Lady_Aleena | s/there/their/; |
| 16:16.41 | _boot | useful if you ever try to import your music into something else |
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| 16:18.19 | Lady_Aleena | Such as? |
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| 16:18.47 | _boot | i don't know, any music library kind of thing |
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| 16:22.20 | Lady_Aleena | Does ripping usually slow down your computers? My system is a bit sluggish. |
| 16:23.06 | wols_ | encoding can be cpu intensive, that would slow response times of your system |
| 16:23.25 | harmaahylje | anything you do takes cpu time |
| 16:23.29 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks wols_. |
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| 16:25.40 | Lady_Aleena | And thanks to everyone for chatting. When I am doing things on my computer which take a lot of time, I need to chat or I will go nuts! |
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| 16:26.54 | echo083 | if you are a lady it's logical everyone wants to chat with you :p |
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| 16:27.57 | _boot | that's the best quit message I've ever seen |
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| 16:29.35 | petern_ | I agree. |
| 16:29.39 | JordiGH | idgi |
| 16:29.50 | JordiGH | Is he farting in French? |
| 16:30.03 | _boot | wut |
| 16:30.37 | SynrG | "peter" is "to fart". but i don't think you would use the infinitive like that |
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| 16:31.00 | _boot | haha |
| 16:31.14 | JordiGH | http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/p%C3%A9ter#Traductions |
| 16:31.17 | SynrG | péter, actually |
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| 16:34.32 | arun | guys may I know if the iso code "the" has been implemented in the stable release |
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| 16:40.22 | petern_ | SynrG, well damn... |
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| 16:44.02 | jelle | I have a question about debian packagaging, is it possible to check the version of a package in debian/rules? |
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| 16:45.53 | dondelelcaro | jelle: yes, but in general, you shouldn't need to |
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| 16:46.33 | jelle | dondelelcaro: my situation is as following, I want to support apache 2.2 and 2.4 and it requires one simple line change in the config file |
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| 16:48.01 | dondelelcaro | jelle: in the configuration file you ship for apache? or what? |
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| 16:48.30 | jelle | dondelelcaro: the configuration file of the application I package |
| 16:48.57 | dondelelcaro | jelle: is the configuration file read by the package? or apache? |
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| 16:49.18 | dondelelcaro | if apache, just use <IfVersion> |
| 16:49.24 | jelle | oh |
| 16:49.26 | jelle | dondelelcaro: nice |
| 16:49.50 | jelle | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 16:49.52 | dondelelcaro | no problem |
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| 16:50.14 | dondelelcaro | that way your package will just work if apache gets upgraded |
| 16:50.35 | jelle | dondelelcaro: yeah, I couldn't find this ;) |
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| 16:51.35 | dondelelcaro | it requires mod_version, though |
| 16:51.59 | jelle | dondelelcaro: ok, have to see if that works on all distros |
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| 16:52.42 | dondelelcaro | mod_version is in apache > 2.0.56, so it's just a matter of enabling that module |
| 16:53.28 | jelle | ok I'll do the research |
| 16:53.35 | dondelelcaro | and presumably you could default to 2.4 or something, and wrap the configuration in <IfModule> as appropriate |
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| 16:54.11 | jelle | dondelelcaro: it's likely going to be the other way aroun |
| 16:54.14 | jelle | *around |
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| 16:54.27 | dondelelcaro | well, that's fine too |
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| 16:57.11 | FlowRiser | Hello, i need some help with my WiFi; I have an AR9485 chipset. It worked on Wheezy, now i upgraded to jessie and it broke. It can see the wireless netwok |
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| 16:57.42 | FlowRiser | And it connects just fine, bu i cannot acces the network |
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| 16:58.07 | petn-randall | FlowRiser: jessie and sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Welcome to the group of guinea pigs :) |
| 16:58.36 | FlowRiser | Pet |
| 16:58.44 | FlowRiser | Thanks xD |
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| 17:08.17 | no_gravity | Just noticed on entry in my /etc/crontab has been failing for a couple of days because the directory where the script is changed. Would you pros have noticed this somehow? |
| 17:08.26 | abrotman | FlowRiser: you didn't stay over tehre very long .. Have you tried by IP instead of hostname? |
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| 17:49.34 | martin-_-_ | hi, i want to change my resolution in gnome when i change the solution to x I get "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files" |
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| 17:50.04 | martin-_-_ | I have to mention that I'm using a notebook with a disabled/broken display and I'm using a extern screen for it |
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| 17:50.25 | bluenemo | martin-_-_, no idea about gnome, but xrandr might be an option |
| 17:50.31 | bluenemo | (cli tool) |
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| 17:51.16 | echo083 | martin-_-_, xrandr --query |
| 17:51.31 | echo083 | martin-_-_, xrandr -s indexyouwant |
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| 17:52.27 | somiaj | I belive gnome has a settings control that is basically a front end to xrandr too |
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| 17:54.04 | martin-_-_ | hm xrandr -s 0 works for me echo083 |
| 17:54.16 | echo083 | martin-_-_, good ;) |
| 17:54.22 | martin-_-_ | do I have to execute this every time after login? |
| 17:54.39 | martin-_-_ | I try |
| 17:54.50 | echo083 | martin-_-_, i remember that once you used xrandr the resolution you selected is saved and after reboot used |
| 17:55.05 | echo083 | martin-_-_, reboot and see :p or just logoff login |
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| 17:55.36 | martin-_-_ | ok thanks echo083 :) |
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| 17:56.41 | echo083 | martin-_-_, np |
| 17:56.41 | icmp_protocol | Hi. How to change the desktop environnement installed by the debian installer? |
| 17:57.10 | somiaj | icmp_protocol: you mean select a different one to install at load time, or to install a new on yoru machine now? |
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| 17:57.45 | somiaj | icmp_protocol: the debian installer runs a command called 'tasktel' at the end, if you choose 'desktop' it will be gnome, but if you go into the other menu you should see options for other desktops |
| 17:57.46 | martin-_-_ | ** (gnome-session-quit:6467): WARNING **: Failed to call logout: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files :/ |
| 17:57.49 | neglesaks | after the most recent icedove upgrade today, the icedove app refuses to launch when poked in the launch menu. any suggestions? |
| 17:58.03 | somiaj | icmp_protocol: but once you have installed feel free to use apt to install what ever desktop you want (that debian provides) |
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| 17:58.17 | somiaj | neglesaks: does it launch from a terminal and if not any errors? |
| 17:58.32 | neglesaks | one moment |
| 17:59.03 | icmp_protocol | somiaj: it was to select a different one to install, thanks for the answer |
| 17:59.11 | neglesaks | yes it gives me a relocation error with some file path |
| 17:59.30 | somiaj | see if you can fix the error now neglesaks (: |
| 17:59.34 | neglesaks | ty |
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| 17:59.58 | cbt998 | hi, i'm looking for a new laptop with a detachable screen that also does not give me troubles when i want to install debian with a gui on it, is there anyone with an idea? |
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| 18:01.16 | echo083 | icmp_protocol ... can i ping you :p |
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| 18:03.23 | neglesaks | somiaj, problem solved by deleting the extension in question, which turned out to be Lightning |
| 18:03.33 | neglesaks | there must have been a problem during the autoupdate apprently. |
| 18:04.25 | neglesaks | does it again. it seems lightning has an incompatibility with icedove 24 |
| 18:04.37 | somiaj | neglesaks: security doesn't backport mozilla stuff anymore, it could be the extension you have installed is no longer compadable with the version of icedove (since it is now the newer esr release and not the one released with wheezy) |
| 18:04.57 | neglesaks | right, that may be the fault. thank you somiaj |
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| 18:05.46 | icmp_protocol | echo083: actually my real surname is Ping, but it was already taken |
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| 18:06.12 | echo083 | icmp_protocol, yes but i needed to make my joke for the day :p |
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| 18:16.35 | martin-_-_ | the xrandr -s 0 setting was not saved - maybe because i rebotted with root instead of with the logged in user? |
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| 18:17.52 | echo083 | martin-_-_, i don't know |
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| 18:19.11 | martin-_-_ | the problem is I cant log out with the normal user, because after executing xrandr -s 0 the gnome gui is broken ... |
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| 18:20.56 | martin-_-_ | do you know where i should place startup scripts when login into gnome? |
| 18:21.04 | martin-_-_ | something like autorstart in windows^^ |
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| 18:21.21 | martin-_-_ | the content of my script is #!/bin/bash xrandr -s 0 gnome-shell --replace & |
| 18:22.18 | martin-_-_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8247706/start-script-when-gnome-starts-up |
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| 18:24.00 | SynrG | martin-_-_: put a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/config/autostart (system-wide) or per user: ~/.config/autostart |
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| 18:24.09 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 18:24.19 | SynrG | martin-_-_: you can use alacarte to generate a desktop file around a script you wrote |
| 18:24.19 | stukm | hi |
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| 18:24.23 | stukm | linux is broken |
| 18:24.26 | stukm | i mean debian too |
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| 18:24.31 | stukm | i have debian |
| 18:24.39 | stukm | i had KDE on default there |
| 18:24.50 | stukm | but i installed lxde, you know lxde? |
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| 18:25.11 | stukm | you listen to me? |
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| 18:25.35 | SynrG | waiting for you to come to the point. and please don't use the enter key as punctuation. |
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| 18:26.05 | woshty | Asked that on #ubuntu and elsewhere already: How do I tell light-locker to not do a dpms off if I call light-locker-command --lock? |
| 18:26.06 | stukm | ok |
| 18:26.17 | stukm | so now after i installed lxde |
| 18:26.29 | stukm | when i open firefox it looks nice, menu bar looks fine, |
| 18:26.36 | stukm | but when i open programs made in kde like KWRITE |
| 18:26.45 | somiaj | woshty: do you run ubuntu or debian? |
| 18:26.46 | stukm | when i click on menu bar it looks horrible |
| 18:26.53 | stukm | not like lxde |
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| 18:27.05 | stukm | it looks even worse it looked when i had clean kde without lxde |
| 18:27.05 | woshty | somiaj: both |
| 18:27.13 | woshty | somiaj: Do I have to choose? |
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| 18:27.31 | stukm | its ugly, rounded, metallic gradient |
| 18:27.40 | stukm | help me remove this |
| 18:27.46 | SynrG | maybe qt4-qtconfig helps? dunno |
| 18:27.57 | somiaj | woshty: both? If you are trying to get support for your ubuntu install this is nto the rigth place. Thought I would go read the light-locker docs or contact their support/maling list as they may best know if what you want is possible or not |
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| 18:28.28 | SynrG | stukm: install qt4-qtconfig and see if you can change the appearance with that. |
| 18:28.34 | Guest355O3 | hi there im a bit clueless, ive opened thunar in sudo and deleted a big file but the file i deleted isnt in the trashbin? where can it be? |
| 18:28.39 | somiaj | stukm: yea sounds like you either don't have a 'nice' qt theme picked, or need to install some qt4 to gtk compadability package (so you get most of the theme in both) |
| 18:28.56 | stukm | so kde programs dosent respect my os settings and looks? |
| 18:29.01 | somiaj | Guest355O3: it might just be gone, I'm unsure how thunar uses the trashbin |
| 18:29.01 | stukm | i mean qt programs |
| 18:29.05 | SynrG | but i don't know what that "compatibility package" would be. used to be qtcurve, but i think that's only for gtk2 integration |
| 18:29.08 | somiaj | Guest355O3: it also might be in the trash ben of your root user |
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| 18:29.27 | SynrG | stukm: with the appropriate integration, yes, they do. but like i said, don't know what that compatibility package is. |
| 18:29.28 | stukm | i wish it looked as other programs |
| 18:29.36 | somiaj | SynrG: oh there isn't one for qt4 -> gtk3 -- I rember seeing one long time ago but don't recall much about it |
| 18:29.41 | Guest355O3 | somiaj: yea i think so too and where is the trash bin of the root? |
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| 18:29.53 | somiaj | Guest355O3: well $HOME for root is /root/ |
| 18:30.07 | stukm | i like how on Windows os almost all aps respect theme settings |
| 18:30.23 | stukm | but qt does it own drawings and dont care about themes (on windows and linux) |
| 18:30.34 | stukm | qt tools on windows os look horrible too |
| 18:30.39 | stukm | qt programs* |
| 18:30.39 | woshty | somiaj: I actually liked the lubuntu x setup .. and sort of remade it in debian stable, now I updated that lubuntu and they switched to some lightdm locking thing which is fine but seems to always issue a dpms off. Is there a lightdm support channel? lxde on freenode seems to be dead, ubuntu is (as always) unresponsive |
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| 18:31.22 | somiaj | stukm: complaining won't do you any good. qt4 is it's own widge set, you can actually go look for qt themes and there are some nice ones that may look similar to your gtk theme |
| 18:31.55 | somiaj | woshty: I still don't see how this is a debain question, we are a support comunity for people who run debian (not based on debian). I would try the ligthdm or lxde mailing lists |
| 18:32.07 | stukm | i hate qt. why people use it? there is one better library that actually uses os-native controls |
| 18:32.39 | SynrG | popular for cross-platform development |
| 18:32.41 | dondelelcaro | stukm: there isn't any such OS native control for Unix systems. |
| 18:32.48 | stukm | what?! |
| 18:32.51 | somiaj | stukm: os native controls? A widget set is not os-native, it is something on top of xorg. The two main or qt and gtk (though some apps use their own widget set (think back to teh motiff days) |
| 18:32.58 | SynrG | stukm: linux is not windows |
| 18:33.17 | SynrG | stukm: the graphical layer is not a part of the OS |
| 18:33.22 | stukm | so qt apps will look like shit on gtk desktop and vice versa? |
| 18:33.30 | somiaj | and with the freedom to choose which widget set you like, some software chooses qt some gtk. You could try to just not use qt software and find gtk equivlant. |
| 18:33.44 | SynrG | stukm: not listening? *with the appropriate integration package* it works fine |
| 18:33.45 | dondelelcaro | stukm: they'll look like QT apps, yes. |
| 18:33.54 | somiaj | stukm: no they have to be configued. You can either find two themes that go nicely together. There use to be a package that would try to convert themes too. |
| 18:33.54 | SynrG | i just don't know what that is |
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| 18:34.13 | SynrG | as i said, qtcurve provided such integration with gtk2 |
| 18:34.34 | stukm | i will have to use apps that use toolkit my dekstop is using |
| 18:34.45 | stukm | or install that "integration package" whatever that is |
| 18:34.46 | woshty | somiaj: There is a light-locker package in Debian ... experimental (rc-buggy) ... :) I will just drop that package. |
| 18:35.00 | stukm | dondelelcaro, qt apps look like qt apps even on windows.. |
| 18:35.01 | somiaj | woshty: if you are running debian stable this is a very very bad idea |
| 18:35.44 | woshty | somiaj: nah. On my lubuntu install .. |
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| 18:36.11 | somiaj | woshty: then go to lubuntu's support. This is debian support as I have said multiple times. Installing debian packages on lubuntu is a bad idea |
| 18:36.17 | SynrG | stukm: i'm pretty sure there's gtk2+gtk3 integration ... |
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| 18:36.31 | somiaj | and there is of course lots of qt themes, why not go find one you like. |
| 18:36.33 | SynrG | so logically, gtk2+gtk3 and gtk2+qt4 integration together should make everything look the same :) |
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| 18:37.10 | somiaj | stukm: I see the issue as you just won't take the time to configure how things look like but complain because you dont' like the defaults. |
| 18:37.20 | petn-randall | I agree with stukm that it's not trivial to configure. As I user I don't want to care about implementation-specific details, I just want themes to "just work". |
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| 18:37.53 | stukm | exactly, what petn-randall said. im just linux user. i installed lxde. and some programs look good, and some like from other os |
| 18:38.00 | petern_ | motif widgets all round :D |
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| 18:38.00 | dondelelcaro | petn-randall: themes which are designed to work with both should just work, but it's definitely true that the state of UI widgets is still suboptimal |
| 18:38.10 | somiaj | petn-randall: yea and debian due to the amount of choice does seem to lag behind the 'ooho this is nice and fancy' defaults. |
| 18:38.32 | SynrG | stukm: if you're wondering why people aren't falling over backwards giving you solutions is a) most of us don't care about this issue b) you've been a bit dramatic about it :p ... take the time and i'm sure you can get things all looking "the same" (fsvo "same") |
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| 18:38.59 | stukm | still, i hate qt. it never looks good, even on windows |
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| 18:39.08 | stukm | not sure about gtk |
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| 18:39.27 | somiaj | then don't use qt apps, and try to find support to switch your qt apps to gtk |
| 18:40.11 | stukm | i remember there was some multiplatform toolkit that used "native" os gui, so on windows it used windows controls. not sure what it did on linux |
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| 18:40.49 | petn-randall | somiaj: Indeed. But even though I'd like all my apps to look at least decent, I've got a few apps that look shite, and the only solution would be to check which library they're linked against, check if my theme covers it, and if not find another one. I wouldn't even know how to go beyond step 1 :/ |
| 18:41.00 | peterrooney | stukm: do you have a question about debian? |
| 18:41.14 | somiaj | petn-randall: or maybe they are still using motiff which some people like for nestialgic reasons. (: |
| 18:41.16 | SynrG | stukm: probably assumed gtk2 was 'native' and went with that ... |
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| 18:41.24 | petn-randall | somiaj: Hehe :) |
| 18:41.34 | SynrG | stukm: might've been using 'wxwindows' or something? (cross-platform gui toolkit) |
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| 18:41.57 | peterrooney | somiaj: I would only use motif as penance |
| 18:42.00 | petn-randall | Not that I fully agree with stukm, I'm just trying to steer the conversation to a more constructive direction. |
| 18:42.29 | petern_ | Linux used to look so great...http://www.linuxnetmag.com/share/screenshot_fvwm95.gif |
| 18:42.41 | SynrG | hahaha |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | stukm: wxWidgets |
| 18:42.45 | SynrG | yes, i ran that for a while :) |
| 18:42.48 | peterrooney | somiaj: like say, after recommending windows to someone |
| 18:42.52 | somiaj | petn-randall: Yea it looks like there needs to be a revamp of the qtcurve or some pacakge that would try to convert a qt theme to gtk and visa/versa but now we are having version issues too. Really the last time I cared about what my apps looke dlike it was gtk1 and that was very grany. |
| 18:42.55 | SynrG | abrotman: wxWidgets, thanks! yes |
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| 18:43.03 | abrotman | See, I'm useful! |
| 18:43.10 | abrotman | sits back down in his rocking chair |
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| 18:44.09 | petn-randall | hands abrotman a glass of bourbon. |
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| 18:44.23 | stukm | windows 95 gui is best gui to this date |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:44.33 | stukm | still using it on all mine OS'es |
| 18:44.38 | abrotman | stukm: Debian? |
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| 18:44.48 | stukm | abrotman, i use it on debian too. |
| 18:45.17 | abrotman | stukm: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 18:46.00 | stukm | yes |
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| 18:46.23 | stukm | i want to have normal looking programs. should i just uninstall all qt programs and use gtk ones? |
| 18:46.30 | abrotman | That's your decision |
| 18:46.34 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 18:46.38 | abrotman | Next question? |
| 18:46.40 | Bryanstein | lol normal |
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| 18:47.23 | stukm | i want all programs to look like windows95, as desktop and taskbar is looking |
| 18:47.41 | abrotman | stukm: Which version of Debian do you have installed? Which WM are you using? |
| 18:48.21 | stukm | abrotman, VirtualBox 4.3.8, |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:48.44 | petn-randall | stukm: Ehm, that's not Debian. |
| 18:48.45 | abrotman | stukm: try again, last chance, this is getting old |
| 18:49.01 | SynrG | stukm: WM, not VM. having font problems? |
| 18:49.18 | stukm | how to check which debian i have installed? |
| 18:49.25 | SynrG | stukm: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:49.32 | stukm | i installed LXDE on top of debian |
| 18:49.44 | stukm | as it looks and feels most like win95 |
| 18:49.47 | abrotman | then use it .. |
| 18:50.18 | stukm | jessie/sid |
| 18:50.22 | stukm | whatever that means |
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| 18:50.59 | stukm | im using it.. thing is, gtk programs look great, qt programs look like crap and dont respect os theme |
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| 18:51.20 | stukm | so i feel like using few different themes at same time.. |
| 18:51.23 | stukm | not nice feel |
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| 18:51.40 | abrotman | stukm: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 18:54.44 | stukm | abrotman, its just two lines (not comments) |
| 18:55.32 | cra1g321 | ive always just ran qt-config, set it to use gtk theme, saved settings, done |
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| 18:56.59 | cra1g321 | the qt4-qtconfig package will need to be installed |
| 18:58.21 | stukm | abrotman, deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:58.47 | stukm | abrotman, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 18:59.11 | somiaj | stukm: testing doesn't have security updates so the first line isn't really doing much. You should also use 'jessie' instead of 'testing' in those files. |
| 18:59.30 | somiaj | though keeping it in there will mean you will start to get updates once it stabalizes |
| 18:59.38 | somiaj | again only if you change testing to jessie |
| 19:00.13 | stukm | i dont really need security updates |
| 19:00.21 | cra1g321 | lol |
| 19:00.37 | somiaj | need isn't the issue there, you jsut don't get them running testing (until they fitler though sid) |
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| 19:02.09 | stukm | i just want apps to look good |
| 19:02.25 | stukm | (like in windows - so they gray and rectangles) |
| 19:02.35 | stukm | cra1g321, will try |
| 19:02.53 | somiaj | stukm: yes we have heard your complaint, have you tried cra1g321 suggestion to configure qt (like i have said a few times). Seems the package is qt4-config and you can use it to either use gtk or go find a qt4 theme you like. |
| 19:03.23 | somiaj | sorry, qt4-qtconfig |
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| 19:05.20 | DammitJim | what tools can I use to figure out the bottleneck on a Debian server |
| 19:05.25 | DammitJim | it's headless |
| 19:05.47 | DammitJim | I want to be able to see the performance in a timeline or logs or something where I can plot it or easily identify the bottleneck |
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| 19:06.01 | DammitJim | I'm having to do this together with a Windows server 'cause I don't know what's the problem |
| 19:06.15 | DammitJim | any recommendations? |
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| 19:07.11 | zaak | DammitJim: sysstat? dstat? |
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| 19:08.02 | DammitJim | zaak, do those do memory, hard disk, network, cpu all together? |
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| 19:08.23 | zaak | DammitJim: they do |
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| 19:09.00 | petn-randall | DammitJim: atop would also work, shows all of the above, too. |
| 19:09.06 | zaak | DammitJim: you can use sar after collecting data to get more repport if you want |
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| 19:14.10 | modyn | hi |
| 19:14.16 | modyn | how do i allow port 80 for http? |
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| 19:15.27 | jerng_ | hi all! experienced d-push/z-push users around? |
| 19:15.29 | stukm | cra1g321, somiaj ok now it looks better. still a bit different but just a bit |
| 19:15.38 | stukm | i set it to gtk+ |
| 19:15.44 | cra1g321 | ok |
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| 19:16.01 | cra1g321 | it wont look exactly the same, but it is as close as you will likely get it |
| 19:16.06 | stukm | i also found i have installed some gtk apps like leafpad (instead of kwrite etc) |
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| 19:16.19 | stukm | will try to use gtk apps |
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| 19:16.32 | stukm | still, i hate how qt is made |
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| 19:17.21 | cra1g321 | do you even know it's made / |
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| 19:17.29 | cra1g321 | how it's * |
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| 19:17.35 | stukm | i hate how it just tries to emulate graphic looks |
| 19:17.43 | stukm | and it never does it properly |
| 19:17.48 | stukm | not on gtk, not on windows |
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| 19:18.15 | stukm | qt apps on windows look cheap |
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| 19:37.42 | petn-randall | stukm: You're repeating yourself ... |
| 19:37.59 | stukm | yes |
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| 19:38.14 | stukm | i made a cacao drink with xylitol |
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| 19:39.27 | abrotman | stukm: Offtopic channels exist for a reason |
| 19:41.23 | tharkun | Good $date, I came into standstill with cups and jessie. It does not have cups-polld wich is used to browse for servers/printers on other subnetworks. What magic does cups need now to print on different subnetworks? |
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| 19:43.12 | thedeeno | I'm trying to install ruby-switch on debian:jessie but the package appears to be missing |
| 19:43.18 | thedeeno | it exists in sid and wheezy |
| 19:43.25 | thedeeno | and I see references to it all over the web |
| 19:43.27 | centrx | thedeeno, ruby-switch is no longer used |
| 19:43.28 | thedeeno | am I doing something wrong |
| 19:43.32 | tharkun | judd: versions rubi-switch |
| 19:43.33 | judd | No package named 'rubi-switch' was found in i386. |
| 19:43.40 | tharkun | judd: versions ruby-switch |
| 19:43.41 | judd | Package: ruby-switch on i386 -- wheezy: 0.1.0 |
| 19:43.43 | zaak | what is missing to get a working xserver-xorg-video-radeon in experimental? xserver-xorg-core 1.15.99 is unusable with no driver available. So how can i test? |
| 19:43.52 | centrx | thedeeno, In testing, you need to change the symlinks to change which version your binaries point to |
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| 19:44.16 | thedeeno | centrx: ok I've done that, I'm still running into issues but they might be unrelated |
| 19:44.23 | thedeeno | centrx: ty |
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| 19:45.23 | thedeeno | centrx: ah, I need to also update some env variables like GEM_PATH to reflect the version I intend to use |
| 19:45.56 | centrx | thedeeno, Or install the gems under the new version |
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| 19:46.03 | riceandbeans | http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
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| 19:47.44 | thedeeno | centrx: hmm, I already symlinked `gem` to `gem2.1`. So `gem install` works fine. It looks like bundler is not honoring that. It must be calling something else? |
| 19:49.03 | centrx | thedeeno, bundler uses script files in /usr/local/bin/ that reference a specific ruby version in the #! line |
| 19:49.13 | centrx | thedeeno, I just change those references to ruby2.1 |
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| 19:49.38 | thedeeno | centrx: awesome! That's going to save me a ton of time |
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| 19:50.22 | thedeeno | nice, that looks like it's it. |
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| 19:50.49 | hxd2492 | i've spent some time in bsd channels. they really hate systemd and cite points that this page you linked does |
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| 19:51.57 | phox | hm, what's the correct way to just update one package, apt-get install package again? |
| 19:52.27 | phox | hm, ok google says yes |
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| 19:52.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:53.12 | tiekookeit | dont forget to update before intall :P |
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| 19:54.47 | thedeeno | centrx: maybe you know this too? Is there a package for the rmagick gem under ruby2.1? Building takes for ever. |
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| 19:55.50 | thedeeno | I see a package ruby-rmagick but I can't tell if that will work for me under ruby 2.1 |
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| 19:56.37 | BenLue | Hi together, i have installed my first DNS Server but i have some Errors: http://paste.debian.net/95518/ Is my Config not correct? |
| 19:57.04 | badass | https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=6006a30fade6 |
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| 19:58.17 | lasers | Hi. If I need libCg.so, is there a way to find out which packages have it? |
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| 19:58.31 | ln_ | The place where I work hosts many debian machines. the people there, tasked to fix heartbleed vulnerabilty, do so by aptitude upgrade openssl. apparently this doesn't upgrade libssl1.0.0 too. Is it necessary to aptitude upgrade openssl libssl1.0.0. ? |
| 19:58.54 | tiekookeit | apt-cache search libCg |
| 19:59.35 | tiekookeit | It is good to keep your sistem up to date |
| 19:59.39 | tiekookeit | isnt it? |
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| 19:59.55 | lasers | tiekookeit: The package(s) are sometimes slightly off. I want to search for exact filename in the package. |
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| 20:00.30 | Colloguy | is there an updated guide on installing flash on debian? Based on https://wiki.debian.org/Flash , do I just apt-get install gnash and I'm done? |
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| 20:01.19 | lasers | Colloguy: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:01.30 | peterrooney | lasers: apt-file can search for files in package even if they're not installed, "apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update ; apt-file search <stuff>" |
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| 20:02.05 | Colloguy | does gnash not work? |
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| 20:02.43 | lasers | peterrooney: Yes! That's what I'm looking for. Thank you very much! :) |
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| 20:03.30 | thedeeno | So it looks like `sid` has a ruby-rmagick gem that fits my needs, but `jessie` doesn't. Am I going to hate myself if I try to install this into jessie? Is there a way to do it? |
| 20:03.42 | thedeeno | s/gem/package/ |
| 20:04.08 | tiekookeit | try to wegt the package from sid then dpkg -i it |
| 20:04.13 | tiekookeit | *wget |
| 20:04.27 | thedeeno | tiekookeit: oo, cool. I'll try that. |
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| 20:04.48 | tiekookeit | it should work if ruby-rmagick doesnt have too much sid dependencys |
| 20:05.05 | thedeeno | I'm looking at the package list and it doesn't look like much |
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| 20:05.47 | thedeeno | here's the url: https://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby-rmagick |
| 20:05.53 | thedeeno | how do I turn that into a .deb url? |
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| 20:06.07 | thedeeno | (haven't had to do this before) |
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| 20:06.24 | Colloguy | apt-get install gnash browser-plugin-gnash :) |
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| 20:06.49 | tiekookeit | thedeeno down the page you have links to you distro |
| 20:06.50 | centrx | thedeeno, What is a .deb url? |
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| 20:07.22 | tiekookeit | scrolls the page down |
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| 20:08.13 | thedeeno | facepalm |
| 20:08.19 | thedeeno | I see, https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/ruby-rmagick/download |
| 20:08.48 | freebirD2 | you guys, I've a debian, with 2 lan cards, eth1 holds the external ip, and eth0 the intranet, eth0, sends a cable to a TPLINK router, and I've 2 other computers wired to the router, I've forwarded packages, all working nicely, I've disabled router dhcp, and each machine, even the wireless ones have there own IP setted, the proble is that wireless computers can't reach the gateway, the can't go thru the router, why ? tks |
| 20:08.49 | centrx | thedeeno, Note those are sid/unstable packages |
| 20:09.39 | lasers | Wouldn't it be better to source the package / build-dep / compile deb / dpkg -i *.deb instead of downloading a deb and dpkg -i *.deb? |
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| 20:10.07 | tiekookeit | depends i usualy try dpkg -i first :P |
| 20:10.26 | tiekookeit | It should be faster lol |
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| 20:12.04 | centrx | lasers, He's on testing, so it is often no problem to use the unstable package on testing |
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| 20:36.34 | ErhardtG4 | hello everyone |
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| 20:37.17 | ErhardtG4 | where could I find the ISOs (or the torrents) for sid ppc? |
| 20:37.47 | centrx | ErhardtG4, I don't think sid has ISOs or torrents |
| 20:38.03 | ErhardtG4 | oh |
| 20:38.20 | ErhardtG4 | that explains a lot |
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| 20:38.41 | ErhardtG4 | centrx: so, should I go for wheezy? |
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| 20:39.06 | centrx | ErhardtG4, It sounds like you should |
| 20:39.16 | ErhardtG4 | thanks pal |
| 20:39.22 | woshty | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images |
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| 20:40.11 | ErhardtG4 | ppc is a little pesky |
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| 20:44.27 | Ruum | hey guys, if I am on a 2009 iMac, and I trying to use either rEFIt or unetbootin - which is better for netboot? |
| 20:45.09 | Ruum | or which will work better for the iMac? |
| 20:45.37 | Ruum | and ya I am using the latest version of debian. |
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| 20:47.27 | Ruum | I currently have the iso image |
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| 20:48.50 | haus | does anyone have experience versioning a subpackage differently than the main package? |
| 20:49.01 | haus | it seems like part of the debian buildchain supports this, and part does not |
| 20:50.59 | Ruum | basically I am trying have a partition of debian on a 2009 iMac |
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| 20:58.56 | Ruum | anyone? |
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| 20:59.05 | modyn | hi |
| 20:59.09 | modyn | how do you remove mysql? |
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| 20:59.19 | Sealness | apt get remove |
| 20:59.19 | apt | ACTION fetches remove |
| 20:59.22 | Sealness | and ppurge |
| 20:59.25 | modyn | nop |
| 20:59.27 | modyn | doesnt work |
| 20:59.30 | modyn | mysql still working |
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| 20:59.38 | tiekookeit | apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 20:59.45 | modyn | Client API version 5.5.35 |
| 20:59.50 | tiekookeit | dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 20:59.50 | modyn | already did |
| 20:59.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep mysql |
| 20:59.53 | Sealness | mysql* |
| 20:59.58 | modyn | apt-get install mysq-server mysql-client |
| 21:00.05 | modyn | remove purge* |
| 21:00.09 | modyn | and nothing |
| 21:00.12 | modyn | still working |
| 21:00.19 | modyn | i already reboot didnt help |
| 21:00.34 | Sealness | then u comiled it or something |
| 21:00.35 | centrx | Was it installed from a Debian package? |
| 21:00.42 | modyn | yes |
| 21:00.48 | Sealness | help urself then lol |
| 21:00.51 | Sealness | stop trolling |
| 21:00.54 | tiekookeit | was it installed through apt? |
| 21:00.57 | modyn | yes |
| 21:01.10 | tiekookeit | dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 21:01.10 | dpkg | ii |grep mysql 1.4-15.2 tiekookeit's private gamp collection |
| 21:01.35 | tiekookeit | what dpkg -l | grep mysql says |
| 21:03.03 | modyn | wait pastebin |
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| 21:03.23 | modyn | http://pastebin.com/9AvKb0CX |
| 21:03.44 | tiekookeit | you have mysql-server intalled ¬¬ |
| 21:03.50 | tiekookeit | cant you see? |
| 21:03.50 | Sealness | omfg |
| 21:03.53 | Sealness | wat a trol |
| 21:04.04 | modyn | i know but |
| 21:04.09 | modyn | i did apt-get remove and purge |
| 21:04.13 | modyn | so why is it still there? |
| 21:04.16 | tiekookeit | apt-get remove mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5 |
| 21:04.17 | modyn | Sealness: no i am new |
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| 21:04.19 | Vicky18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.28 | tiekookeit | dpkg --force-all --purge mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5 |
| 21:04.28 | dpkg | tiekookeit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:04.34 | Sealness | doood |
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| 21:04.42 | Sealness | can u gaize not use dpkg rite |
| 21:04.43 | modyn | E: Unable to locate package |
| 21:04.43 | Sealness | its |
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| 21:04.56 | modyn | dpkg: error: --purge needs a valid package name but ' ' is not: illegal package |
| 21:04.56 | dpkg | that's too long, modyn |
| 21:04.57 | tiekookeit | try dpkg --force-all --purge mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5 |
| 21:05.14 | Sealness | dpkg -l *mysql* | grep ii |
| 21:05.16 | dpkg | ii *mysql* | grep ii 3.7-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:05.21 | modyn | dpkg --force-all --purge mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5 |
| 21:05.23 | modyn | dpkg: error: --purge needs a valid package name but ' ' is not: illegal package |
| 21:05.23 | dpkg | modyn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:05.25 | tiekookeit | if that doesnt work, call a priest |
| 21:05.50 | modyn | it didnt work |
| 21:05.55 | Sealness | wow |
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| 21:06.17 | Sealness | then linux is not for you |
| 21:06.22 | modyn | so why should i write it? |
| 21:06.23 | Sealness | go back to windows |
| 21:06.25 | modyn | no |
| 21:06.27 | Sealness | yes |
| 21:06.30 | Sealness | goooooooooooooooo! |
| 21:06.31 | modyn | becauise it didnt work? |
| 21:06.40 | Sealness | bill gates loves you |
| 21:06.41 | tiekookeit | lol check space to see if you copied spaces or some weid character |
| 21:06.49 | Sealness | he told me he misses you |
| 21:06.53 | modyn | how? |
| 21:06.57 | tiekookeit | omg |
| 21:07.01 | acu | can you see a timestamp with the history ? |
| 21:07.45 | Ruum | hey guys, can anyone help me get debian on a 2009 iMac? |
| 21:07.58 | Ruum | I have 2 choices for software to do it |
| 21:08.09 | Ruum | I am wondering which would be a better fit |
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| 21:13.40 | Ruum | hello? |
| 21:13.46 | cra1g321 | hello |
| 21:13.57 | tiekookeit | Hi how are you? |
| 21:14.13 | cra1g321 | tiekookeit not bad, yourself ? |
| 21:14.24 | tiekookeit | fine... |
| 21:14.30 | cra1g321 | ok |
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| 21:22.30 | hxd8372 | does anyone know how elementary os was able to achieve hot corners like OSX has? is that something that is possible in debian? |
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| 21:25.17 | _4dnan_ | hxd8372: with Compiz I guess |
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| 21:29.38 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | i got really big problems with gnome and my ati 6450 graphic card. tried ubuntu and everything works fine. But I am an debian fan and want to figure out the problem |
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| 21:30.20 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | animation in gnome is very slow and fullscreen flash video doesnt work anyway |
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| 21:31.15 | Scunizi | hxd8372: the kde desktop has hot corners |
| 21:31.55 | jordanm | yeah, kwin supports it |
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| 21:32.06 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | is this a problem between kernel and my hd6450? |
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| 21:33.29 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: At risk of getting flamed on the channel, install back ubuntu and register all the kernel modules used on your system. Then go back to debian and start putting that same set in. Else jump to testing which should be closer to ubuntu than stable |
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| 21:34.17 | tharkun | any cups guru around? Specially 1.7.2 since BrowsePoll is no longer there. cups-polld seems to have disappeared :( |
| 21:34.31 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, tried testing in vbox and it fails on install process :-( |
| 21:34.50 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: install stable then upgrade. |
| 21:35.05 | tharkun | if installing testing fails, report the bugs. |
| 21:35.28 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, whats the best way to get the kernel modules? |
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| 21:36.38 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | modprobe ? |
| 21:37.16 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: I believe so. Its been a while that I haven't tinkered with kernel modules |
| 21:37.38 | DesktopPC | i'm now installing debian kde, and in the blue installation screen i reached the 'mirror network' phase, what is the installer downloading form the UK's FTP site i have chosen? |
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| 21:44.34 | hxd8372 | Scunizi: so it's either ubuntu or debian with kde. one is worse than the other |
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| 21:46.53 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | also recognized problems with fullhd flash videos in iceweasel wheezy and firefox (ubuntu-gnome). tried it in wheezy with chromium and everything works fine |
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| 21:47.21 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | xorg uses 130% cpu (core2duo) |
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| 21:48.19 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, how stable is testing? |
| 21:48.21 | DesktopPC | ubuntu-gnome-tes: lmao |
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| 21:49.10 | modyn | how do i unrar a file? |
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| 21:49.24 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | time to purge xorg and use vim again .... |
| 21:49.52 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | terminal pdf viewer is missing |
| 21:50.10 | acu | I am trying to update a wheezy amd machine with a mail server and I get a bunch of errors, and cannot upgrade - here is one, insserv: There is a loop at service rmnologin if started |
| 21:50.19 | modyn | HOW DO I UNRAR? |
| 21:50.28 | nightfly | apt-get install unrar |
| 21:50.41 | acu | and this insserv: warning: script 'S55IptabLex' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 21:50.52 | modyn | E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 21:50.58 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | lsmod gives me kernel modules? |
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| 21:51.14 | nightfly | apt-get install unrar-free |
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| 21:51.31 | modyn | and then how do i unrar? |
| 21:51.37 | nightfly | man unrar |
| 21:52.04 | ErhardtG4 | that question made me think of http://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 21:52.14 | tiekookeit | unrar x file.rar |
| 21:52.34 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: how critical are your aplications? testing after the first year of the new stable release is quite a smooth ride |
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| 21:53.02 | modyn | 64 Failed |
| 21:53.07 | modyn | WHY it failed 64 files? |
| 21:53.09 | modyn | tiekookeit |
| 21:53.16 | nightfly | why not do some research on your own? |
| 21:53.37 | ErhardtG4 | modyn: are you using gnome? |
| 21:53.38 | ErhardtG4 | kde? |
| 21:53.42 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | it needs 2-4 seconds when i push the super key or go to the right corner. in ubuntu-gnome (using live now) everything is smooth |
| 21:53.42 | ErhardtG4 | xfce? |
| 21:53.44 | tharkun | modyn: google is a fine service which is usually used to search over the big internet |
| 21:53.51 | modyn | ErhardtG4: no |
| 21:54.00 | modyn | .css files failed |
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| 21:54.08 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, and I will figure out the problem!! I love DEBIAN! |
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| 21:54.53 | ErhardtG4 | modyn: there's no need to use command line at all if you don't want to deal with docs |
| 21:54.58 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: There are lots of people that know a lot inside #debian which will gladly give you a hand ;P |
| 21:55.05 | ErhardtG4 | if you use kde you can insta ark |
| 21:55.06 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | i read in the web that its a kernel problem with hd6450 |
| 21:55.25 | ErhardtG4 | and if you use gtk (such as gnome or xfce) you can install file-roller |
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| 21:56.50 | modyn | ErhardtG4: for what? |
| 21:57.20 | modyn | LOOK |
| 21:57.27 | modyn | why does it NOT unrar all files? |
| 21:57.29 | ErhardtG4 | modyn: they are graphical front ends |
| 21:57.31 | modyn | why are some failed? |
| 21:57.39 | modyn | bg_top.jpg Failed |
| 21:57.44 | modyn | main.css Failed |
| 21:57.46 | modyn | things like this? |
| 21:57.52 | centrx | corrupt archive? |
| 21:57.57 | ErhardtG4 | the answer could be anything |
| 21:57.58 | modyn | corrupt? |
| 21:58.03 | modyn | it work on windows |
| 21:58.21 | modyn | but on linux, it says failed on some 49 files |
| 21:58.22 | modyn | why? |
| 21:58.23 | cra1g321 | waht type of archive is it ? |
| 21:58.27 | modyn | .rar |
| 21:58.27 | cra1g321 | what * |
| 21:58.48 | cra1g321 | erm.. this might not apply to debian, but do you have the unrar package installed / |
| 21:58.50 | ErhardtG4 | modyn: does it succeed for any file? |
| 21:59.23 | acu | !unrar |
| 21:59.23 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive file format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 21:59.29 | modyn | cra1g321: what do you mean? i did apt-get install unrar-free |
| 21:59.33 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, what Desktop Env. do you use? |
| 21:59.39 | tharkun | notion |
| 21:59.41 | modyn | ErhardtG4: where do i look after it? |
| 22:00.00 | cra1g321 | well i've always used the unrar package rather than unrar-free |
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| 22:00.11 | acu | modyn: did you read the sweet bot message ? |
| 22:00.37 | acu | I did not follow your discussion close, but it suggest non-free repo ? |
| 22:00.41 | ErhardtG4 | modyn: I don't remember what the output of unrar looks like |
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| 22:00.50 | modyn | so i should use p7zip-rar |
| 22:00.53 | modyn | ? |
| 22:00.55 | ErhardtG4 | try to install either ark or file-roller |
| 22:00.55 | cra1g321 | no |
| 22:01.10 | tharkun | ubuntu-gnome-tes: Tiled Windows. I'm kind of old fashion. (I mostly use ssh, vim and a few other cli based programs) |
| 22:01.28 | cra1g321 | install the unrar package then try it again |
| 22:01.31 | modyn | so what should i do? |
| 22:01.33 | modyn | p7zip-rar? |
| 22:01.51 | cra1g321 | omg |
| 22:02.22 | cra1g321 | the unrar package has always worked for me so try it |
| 22:02.28 | modyn | shit ? |
| 22:02.29 | modyn | E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 22:02.32 | modyn | you dont understand? |
| 22:02.42 | cra1g321 | cahnge your sources.list file |
| 22:02.47 | modyn | ok how? |
| 22:02.50 | Extensa5630G | not sure what happened..basically i have debian gnome+fedora kde+win7 in multiboot,so i got the debian kde iso and installed it on the debian gnome's partitions(main +swap), but now in the GRUB i only see the newly installed debian kde and win7, but fedora isn't listed there |
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| 22:02.52 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | i am using vim in gnome-terminal, but its too slow when i press Super button or moving windows or to another workspace in gnome. its really time to purge xorg from my desktop .... using fortran c and vim :-D |
| 22:02.57 | Extensa5630G | what's up |
| 22:03.02 | Extensa5630G | i wonder what's up* |
| 22:03.17 | acu | modyn: since you are frantically asking questions, it may be good to read what people tell you too - do you have the non-free repository, otherwise you have a non-functional unrar |
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| 22:04.11 | acu | can I upgrade an application at the time, I got a bunch of errors, and cannot upgrade the system |
| 22:04.12 | modyn | acu: so what should i do? |
| 22:04.18 | acu | read again |
| 22:04.22 | modyn | acu: what? |
| 22:04.24 | acu | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:04.28 | acu | add non-free |
| 22:04.34 | cra1g321 | modyn i will help you |
| 22:04.39 | modyn | ok |
| 22:04.40 | acu | aptitude update then aptitude ubraede |
| 22:04.45 | modyn | whats the line for non-free? |
| 22:04.54 | modyn | cra1g321: thanks |
| 22:05.19 | acu | look at the file there there is a repo debian whatever main after main you can add : contrib non-free |
| 22:05.37 | acu | once you add that, you exit and save (press CTRL X then yes then enter) |
| 22:05.45 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, http://pastebin.com/eXs0cLvq |
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| 22:06.09 | modyn | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free |
| 22:06.11 | modyn | like this? |
| 22:06.19 | acu | yes |
| 22:06.20 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 22:06.27 | acu | you can add also contrib before non-free |
| 22:06.33 | acu | then you save the change |
| 22:06.44 | modyn | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 22:06.51 | acu | this is not windows, is meant to be painful :) |
| 22:06.59 | acu | spartans |
| 22:07.20 | modyn | E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 22:07.24 | modyn | didnt helpå |
| 22:07.25 | cra1g321 | do |
| 22:07.27 | cra1g321 | sudo apt-get update now |
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| 22:07.51 | modyn | ök |
| 22:07.52 | acu | you need more than 3 neurons, you have to read modyn, I already gave instruction how to do it twice, just read |
| 22:08.00 | modyn | ok how do i now use the non-free unrar? |
| 22:08.10 | cra1g321 | did you do apt-get update ? |
| 22:08.13 | modyn | yep |
| 22:08.16 | cra1g321 | now do |
| 22:08.20 | cra1g321 | apt-get install unrar |
| 22:08.24 | modyn | i did |
| 22:08.30 | modyn | done |
| 22:08.30 | cra1g321 | did it install ok ? |
| 22:08.35 | modyn | yep |
| 22:08.55 | cra1g321 | have you installed anything else that was suggested ? |
| 22:08.56 | modyn | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 22:08.57 | modyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.57 | acu | it is rar not unrar |
| 22:09.00 | acu | !rar |
| 22:09.01 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive file format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 22:09.02 | acu | I think |
| 22:09.07 | cra1g321 | no it's unrar |
| 22:09.15 | cra1g321 | im on the debian packages page |
| 22:09.59 | cra1g321 | modyn ok so you typed Y then hit enter , then it installed / |
| 22:10.00 | cra1g321 | ? |
| 22:10.30 | modyn | how do i move /var/www/www to /var/www |
| 22:10.31 | modyn | ? |
| 22:10.38 | modyn | cra1g321 thanks |
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| 22:10.41 | modyn | now :) |
| 22:10.43 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | tharkun, should lsmod gives enough information? |
| 22:10.46 | modyn | All OK |
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| 22:10.50 | xand | modyn: it's already there |
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| 22:10.53 | ubuntu-gnome-tes | could you try it |
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| 22:11.00 | modyn | how do i move /var/www/www to /var/www? |
| 22:11.11 | modyn | /www/www to /www? |
| 22:11.20 | xand | modyn: /var/www/www is already in /var/www |
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| 22:11.24 | cra1g321 | do extract a rar file from the terminal, it's just unrar e file.rar |
| 22:11.28 | cra1g321 | to */ |
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| 22:11.32 | modyn | xand yes but it should be just www |
| 22:11.34 | modyn | and not www/www |
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| 22:11.42 | modyn | unrar e? |
| 22:11.45 | modyn | and not unrar x? |
| 22:11.46 | xand | modyn: mv /var/www/www/* /var/www |
| 22:11.52 | xand | rmdir /var/www/www |
| 22:12.01 | modyn | thanks |
| 22:12.09 | Extensa5630G | how to add a new repository's address to the debian OS ?i use debian kde |
| 22:12.18 | Extensa5630G | *via the termianl* |
| 22:12.40 | xand | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:12.48 | Extensa5630G | bah..yeah |
| 22:13.27 | acu | modyn: if you are new to linux, I would recommend using GUI desktop environments such as GNOME or KDE, you can right click and urnar, or drag files around, and slowly get cli |
| 22:13.30 | modyn | Please make sure that following files are writable (chmod 777): |
| 22:13.32 | modyn | inc/db-conf.php |
| 22:13.32 | modyn | inc/driver-conf.php |
| 22:13.33 | modyn | how do i do? |
| 22:13.44 | acu | gnome, kde, lxde or xfce |
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| 22:14.08 | petn-randall | modyn: chmod 777? You sure they need to be world-writeable? |
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| 22:14.24 | modyn | petn-randall yep i didnt build the script :P |
| 22:15.22 | d3lxa | in Exim, is there a way to compare negative numbers? I have invalid numbers (spam score) |
| 22:15.30 | modyn | chmod 777 inc/db-conf.php |
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| 22:15.36 | admin-jkl | New Lamborghini Gallardo 30 Seconds to Mars Edge of the Earth Music Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDj-hWV59N0 |
| 22:15.37 | modyn | and driver-conf.php |
| 22:15.46 | modyn | brb time 2 smoke |
| 22:15.59 | modyn | i belive all you have been newbies :P |
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| 22:16.05 | sergio-br2 | hey hello |
| 22:16.16 | petn-randall | modyn: chmod 777 is a very bad idea, don't do that. :) |
| 22:16.18 | modyn | i think i gonna read some linux (e)books this weekend |
| 22:16.38 | modyn | petn-randall: but the script wants inc/db-conf.php inc/driver-conf.php |
| 22:16.51 | modyn | what is that for files? some imported? |
| 22:17.13 | modyn | do you know inc/db-conf.php and inc/driver-conf.php? what did they do? |
| 22:17.30 | petn-randall | modyn: Just change the owner to the uid the script will run under. Making something world-writeable is a security risk. |
| 22:18.46 | sergio-br2 | there is a package that i want to see in debian repo, and there is a bug opened some years ago: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541157 |
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| 22:20.26 | Omilun | hello debian :D |
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| 22:20.47 | Omilun | how can i install gnome2 on debian? |
| 22:21.07 | sergio-br2 | if i want to create the package, upload it, i need to subit a bug report? |
| 22:21.24 | dondelelcaro | Omilun: if you're running squeeze, just apt-get install gnome. Otherwise, it's gnome 3. |
| 22:21.25 | sergio-br2 | that bug report is still valid? |
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| 22:21.58 | dondelelcaro | sergio-br2: that's a request for packaging, so if you want to package it, change it to an ITP, and package the package. |
| 22:22.05 | dondelelcaro | !ITP |
| 22:22.05 | dpkg | Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work. |
| 22:22.25 | Omilun | dondelelcaro: thx ur answer ... i have wheezy but i dont like gnome 3 ... |
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| 22:22.47 | Omilun | dondelelcaro: i can not install gnome 2 ? |
| 22:23.22 | modyn | gnome 2? |
| 22:23.42 | mtn | Omilun: no, you can't install gnome 2 |
| 22:23.47 | Omilun | modyn: yes can i install on debian 7? |
| 22:23.57 | sergio-br2 | dondelelcaro, so, i only need to "adopting" the package? sending a email control@bugs... like the link? |
| 22:23.59 | Omilun | mtn: ahan |
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| 22:24.03 | Omilun | mtn: thc |
| 22:24.09 | mtn | Omilun: you can run gnome 3 in fallback mode, though. that might be ok for you |
| 22:24.31 | dondelelcaro | sergio-br2: basically, yes |
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| 22:25.54 | sergio-br2 | dondelcaro, the vba-m package has already debian folder, and i make some changes to make the package. It works. |
| 22:25.55 | acu | OK, can anyone look at a screwed, imposible upgrade ? a wheezy with kolab - something is blocker http://paste.debian.net/95551/ |
| 22:26.21 | acu | I do not know even where to start, I need an expert to look at it and hint something |
| 22:26.25 | acu | anything |
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| 22:27.10 | acu | this system run fine, suddenly got pooped, and here I am |
| 22:27.12 | Omilun | mtn: gnome 3 have many bug i install last night on a pc ... login panel when luck = not back to desktop ... |
| 22:27.19 | dondelelcaro | sergio-br2: yes, but it probably doesn't meet the requirements of Debian; you'd have to get someone to sponsor the upload and actually do the upload |
| 22:27.33 | dondelelcaro | sergio-br2: all of that is possible, though, if you're interested |
| 22:27.47 | dondelelcaro | sergio-br2: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is the best place to get help with that |
| 22:28.01 | grondilu | hello, how do I check and repair my root file system? It's obviously already mounted so I'm not sure. I think there is an emergency mode or something? |
| 22:28.01 | sergio-br2 | dondelcaro, thanks |
| 22:28.52 | acu | grondilu |
| 22:28.56 | acu | !fsck |
| 22:28.56 | dpkg | i heard fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. Ask me about <forcefsck>. |
| 22:29.21 | dondelelcaro | grondilu: when you reboot, it will be checked |
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| 22:29.28 | dondelelcaro | grondilu: assuming it needs to be checked, anyway |
| 22:29.32 | acu | depends what file system you have too ? ext4, XFS or btrfs ? |
| 22:29.48 | mtn | acu: does it work ok if you take kolab out of your sources? |
| 22:29.56 | grondilu | it needs to as X failed to start with a worrying message "critical error" or something |
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| 22:30.17 | acu | mtn: I will try to take it out, the system worked before with kolab in sources |
| 22:30.59 | grondilu | reboots |
| 22:31.07 | acu | I made the kolab packages have priority, but the system worked fine, something got messed big time, and I need at least to get it somehow working |
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| 22:35.01 | rubidious | Hello. I'm messing about with hdparm on a new Wd my passport ultra drive. When I try to query the drive regarding HPA (hdparm -N) I get "SG_IO: bad or missing sense data..." |
| 22:35.03 | mtn | acu: maybe you should paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 22:35.35 | rubidious | I've tried on wheezy and testing, since hdparm seems to think it's a buggy device driver |
| 22:35.48 | rubidious | but I doubt that because it's just a usb 2.0/3.0 external drive |
| 22:35.58 | rubidious | does anyone have any experience with these drives? |
| 22:36.13 | acu | mtn: yes, I am looking back at the history - I did a soft link ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nss/libsoftokn3.so /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so |
| 22:36.27 | acu | during the install |
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| 22:41.11 | sergio-br2 | dondelcaro, are there other channel to get help? debian-mentors, there are only 2 persons |
| 22:41.48 | jordanm | sergio-br2: you want #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 22:42.02 | sergio-br2 | ? |
| 22:42.19 | jordanm | irc.oftc.net |
| 22:42.29 | acu | mtn: yes, the repos where on kolab development, I switched it to stable, I think that might have been the problem, I will know in two minutes, thanks for the common sense you brought at the table :) |
| 22:42.42 | mtn | acu: hope it works |
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| 22:44.30 | modyn | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 22:44.32 | modyn | how do i fix htis? |
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| 22:46.23 | mtn | modyn: synaptic, under Edit. command line: aptitude -f. read the man page before using |
| 22:47.04 | acu | mtn: did not work, how can I clean the cache, I want to reinstall clean |
| 22:48.00 | Brigo_ | acu, apt-get clean |
| 22:48.29 | Brigo_ | acu, but there is no problem with a unclean cache. |
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| 22:48.47 | Omilun | can i install awesome on debian wheezy? |
| 22:49.16 | mtn | Omilun: did you check to see if it is in the repos? |
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| 22:49.28 | mtn | Omilun: http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:49.46 | Omilun | mtn: thx man |
| 22:50.13 | Omilun | mtn: i think awesome is good |
| 22:50.48 | mtn | Omilun: shouldn't it be awesome? :P |
| 22:52.42 | linuxator | how to connect ti OFTC? |
| 22:53.03 | Omilun | mtn: are u use it? |
| 22:53.11 | mtn | Omilun: nope |
| 22:53.37 | Omilun | mtn: what do u use? |
| 22:53.56 | mtn | Omilun: sorry, but that is really off-topic for this channel |
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| 22:54.30 | mtn | Omilun: I think there is #debian-offtopic for general chat |
| 22:54.50 | Omilun | mtn: ok |
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| 22:58.13 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 22:58.25 | ShapeShifter499 | telnet is disabled by default in debian right? |
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| 22:58.40 | ShapeShifter499 | if not how do I disable it? |
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| 22:59.33 | mtn | ShapeShifter499: not disabled by default |
| 23:00.19 | centrx | It's not installed by default |
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| 23:00.33 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx: I have the telnet command |
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| 23:00.46 | centrx | telnetd server? |
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| 23:01.52 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx: I'm guessing client |
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| 23:04.13 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx: mtn I never had to use telnet before but I know it's like ssh with the secure part taken out so I'd like to make sure that no one can telnet into my machine |
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| 23:04.47 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: I think that would require the server running |
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| 23:05.20 | ShapeShifter499 | mtn_: how do I know it's disabled? |
| 23:05.44 | ShapeShifter499 | I have port 23 closed on my iptables |
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| 23:05.50 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: it isn't installed by default. do you have it installed? |
| 23:06.03 | ScottE | ShapeShifter499: see if you can telnet to your box? |
| 23:06.10 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: I mean the daemon/server |
| 23:06.35 | ShapeShifter499 | mtn_: not sure, I do have a "telnet" command in my terminal |
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| 23:06.54 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: don't you know how to check if something is installed? |
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| 23:08.14 | ShapeShifter499 | mtn_: um |
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| 23:08.46 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: use your install tool of choice and search for telnet |
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| 23:10.56 | acu | hey guys, I think the system got screwed (pardon my french), there are two files IptabLes and IptabLex they are bot in /boot - I think this is malware or something, can anyone confirm that this files should not be at all anywhere ? |
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| 23:11.50 | SynrG | Someone reported something similar recently. |
| 23:11.56 | rubidious | nothing related to iptables should be in /boot afaik |
| 23:12.28 | SynrG | And yes, probably rooted. |
| 23:12.31 | kdog | acu: I have the iptables package installed an there is no such files in my /boot (nor have I ever seen that) |
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| 23:13.23 | acu | thanks guys - i just removed them and reboot, though I think I might need to mount it from other machine to get rid of it, most probably there is a script somwehere , but let me see if thyey are still there |
| 23:13.38 | ShapeShifter499 | mtn_: I just have the client |
| 23:13.47 | SynrG | Reinstall |
| 23:13.57 | kdog | ^^^ |
| 23:13.59 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: then no one can telnet into you, as far as I know |
| 23:14.18 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: you will find that Debian is quite secure |
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| 23:14.27 | SynrG | You have no idea what else was done, and a lot is probably well hidden |
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| 23:15.19 | acu | the update is going on, I think those are the culprits |
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| 23:16.55 | Atlantic778 | Hi there! I need to write an init script which will execute some tasks as specific user and I need to set some specific environment variables (some thing with source in ~/.bashrc...). Any hints how to switch to another user and set those environment variables? |
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| 23:17.10 | mtn_ | ShapeShifter499: there are various sites on the internet that can check to see how secure you are from the outside. shields up is a good one |
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| 23:18.59 | acu | mtn: is this open source ? I am using now ntop, is preety cool, I have to search and see if zabbix has similar tools |
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| 23:19.24 | kdog | acu: seriously, disconnect the network cable while you check it out |
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| 23:20.24 | zerick | Anybody knows if Debian images on Rackspace are the same as in a clean install ? I have some missing modules and I guess it's because an obsolete package on their repo's or the OS (image) is modified. |
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| 23:21.10 | acu | kdog: tell me again, check it out what ? with what ? |
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| 23:30.13 | peterrooney | latest icedove update has altered basic functionality - new messages, instead of bolding the destination folder, both bolds it and change its colour, AND bolds and changes colour of the destination account. how to alter? |
| 23:30.23 | peterrooney | s/alter/revert/ |
| 23:30.30 | kdog | acu: this really isn't the place to learn forensics. Your only course of action that gives you a known, clean system is a reinstall. If you need the data off this hard drive then get another drive and install on that. Then you can mount the infected one and copy your data to the new system. |
| 23:31.17 | SynrG | Plus whatever you did that led up to being rooted … change that. |
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| 23:31.31 | kdog | acu: mount the drive read only, noexec, or otherwise make sure you don't get anything infected from it. |
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| 23:32.23 | SynrG | Like not staying on top of security updates, or improperly configuring a web app, or … |
| 23:32.54 | tharkun | abrotman: the factoid on dpkg bot "debug cups" has a broken link. (Cups is broken in testing but that is a totally different isue.) Thanks for fixing |
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| 23:34.00 | kdog | acu: There are some links at this page that might help you -> https://tinyurl.com/knydxjm |
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| 23:51.27 | acu | kdog thanks , yes I found in /root a binary n26 which was obviously pointing to those china telekom, so it is the same |
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| 23:51.50 | acu | so the link you gave me is useful |
| 23:52.29 | acu | but I think the guy did not remove that /root/n26 file that is why he got back the Iptablex whatever, but yeah, a new install it is |
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