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| 00:07.58 | mingtsay | my ppp0 still receive 2001:b010:3040:1a00:2c3b:a824:147e:9eb1/64 … according to my friend, 2001:b010:3040:1a00::/64 is for a single device, I have to get 2001:b010:3040:1a01::/64 instead |
| 00:09.40 | frostschutz | mingtsay, a single IPv6 would be /128 though. if you have a /64, everything is fine really |
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| 00:10.47 | mingtsay | frostschutz: I tried to use radvd to tell my clients this prefix |
| 00:11.00 | mingtsay | frostschutz: they all got the addresses |
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| 00:11.36 | mingtsay | frostschutz: but only one of them can go out. the first client got the ipv6 |
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| 00:16.08 | un214 | magnifying glass |
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| 00:16.34 | mdim | Hi all. I have Debian Wheezy and am new to libvirt. When I try to execute "virsh -c qemu:///system" as a regular user, I get this: http://paste.debian.net/96094/ . I am a member of the libvirt user group, so I don't see why I get those errors |
| 00:16.39 | mdim | any clue? |
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| 00:17.02 | woshty | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=724688 .... |
| 00:17.45 | woshty | How can I have this issue now? |
| 00:17.48 | un214 | looking for screen magnifier |
| 00:18.01 | un214 | can't seem to find much more than a request from 2007: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.devel.accessibility/2007-01/msg00014.html |
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| 00:19.05 | abrotman | un214: a screen reader? |
| 00:19.33 | un214 | no, a screen enlarger |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | un214: gnome user or other? |
| 00:19.42 | un214 | kde |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | un214: only thing I know of is gnome-orca, not sure if that's what you're looking for |
| 00:21.41 | un214 | well if it doesn't depend on the rest of gnome running it might work |
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| 00:22.01 | abrotman | un214: or look for someting with a similar description |
| 00:22.01 | un214 | (I use gnome-accessability-theme on a couple of machines and it works just fine w/o gnome) |
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| 00:23.38 | un214 | some boneheads make programs that render using a text area that is just too small |
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| 00:29.24 | un214 | hmm didn't even find orca in apt-file when searching for mag |
| 00:29.33 | un214 | found gnome-mag which doesn't seem to work |
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| 00:33.04 | abrotman | un214: gnome-orca is the name |
| 00:33.16 | un214 | found it searching explicitly for it |
| 00:34.23 | un214 | hmm does not appear to be a magnifier |
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| 00:35.18 | abrotman | un214: kmag ? |
| 00:35.22 | RustyShackleford | i'm trying to install debian using 7.4 media |
| 00:35.51 | RustyShackleford | I get "failed to determine codename for the release" in the Install the Base System step |
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| 00:36.07 | un214 | ok the answer to why orca doesn't work is it depends on gnome-mag for magnification which I already established doesn't work |
| 00:36.13 | un214 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1983654 |
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| 00:37.26 | abrotman | un214: kmag ? |
| 00:37.33 | un214 | testing |
| 00:39.10 | un214 | kmag is a toy not usable: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328779 |
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| 00:39.25 | abrotman | un214: I can't help that KDE makes shoddy products :) |
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| 00:41.31 | un214 | normally its gnome that makes the garbage |
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| 00:46.36 | un214 | gnome-mag definitely depends on gnome running or something |
| 00:46.45 | un214 | I got it to display but it can't update the screen |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | probably on a service |
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| 00:47.56 | un214 | this also means that gnome-magnifier's install deps are wrong because gnome was previously not present on this machine |
| 00:48.03 | un214 | and it didn't install any suitable package |
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| 00:50.11 | un214 | too bad there's no package for this guy: http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/#download |
| 00:52.31 | mdim | does anyone how to resolve this: "p11-kit: invalid config filename, will be ignored in the future: /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module"? |
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| 00:58.44 | alusion | im doing full disk encryption |
| 00:58.55 | alusion | but i wanna free up space during installation so i can expand root partition |
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| 00:59.10 | alusion | how do I resize the /home when setting up lvm cryptsetup during install? |
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| 01:07.30 | FireSlash | According to df, my disk is full. But ncdu can't more than 15gb of data on the drive. I cleared out a few large files but it barely changed the available space per df |
| 01:08.19 | FireSlash | du also agrees with ncdu's assessment |
| 01:08.37 | FireSlash | So how do I figure out what's eating away at my disk space? |
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| 01:10.12 | centrx | FireSlash, How much difference is there between du and df? |
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| 01:11.11 | FireSlash | du shows about 15gb of data. df shows almost all 58gb in use (around 200mb free and shrinking |
| 01:11.21 | FireSlash | ncdu agrees with du |
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| 01:11.47 | abrotman | open files |
| 01:14.41 | FireSlash | mysql doesn't seem to have more than a few gig worth of data in it, and I've tried restarting redis to flush it's data to cache, no change |
| 01:15.33 | centrx | FireSlash, Run as root: du -s / |
| 01:15.49 | FireSlash | 16233556 |
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| 01:16.54 | abrotman | FireSlash: he meant du -sh /* |
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| 01:17.21 | FireSlash | Found it |
| 01:17.26 | FireSlash | with lsof +L1 |
| 01:17.34 | FireSlash | But it's a file I already deleted trying to free space up |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | open file, right ? |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | something is holding it open .. find out what that is |
| 01:17.58 | FireSlash | lighttpd was |
| 01:18.00 | FireSlash | log file |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | all taken care of? |
| 01:18.12 | FireSlash | bouncing it released the file. Yep |
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| 01:39.57 | camcage | I've had a cockup of pressing "scroll lock" a few times during dist-upgrade on my unstable system" which seams to have caused my system to not completely upgrade. |
| 01:40.20 | camcage | I've rebooted into emergency mode and ran apt-get -f install |
| 01:40.50 | camcage | but dbus fails to install |
| 01:41.24 | somiaj | camcage: dist-upgrade from what version to what, also for future 'ctrl-Q' unlocks scroll lock |
| 01:42.15 | camcage | dist-upgrade to intsall all updates |
| 01:42.37 | camcage | not upgrading from testing to unstable |
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| 01:44.49 | camcage | dbus complains of failing to open connection to "system" message bus: failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_dbus_sockect: no such file |
| 01:44.57 | ctmjr | camcage: you can get help in #debain-next on oftc network, and you might try dpkg-reconfigure -a do not know if it will work after a reboot or at all on sid |
| 01:45.04 | alusion | I need to make space on lvm cryptluks partitions to expand my root partition |
| 01:45.10 | alusion | how do i do that |
| 01:45.12 | camcage | ok |
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| 01:46.32 | camcage | thanks btw |
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| 01:51.00 | camcage | dpkg-reconfigure -a "-a" is not a option btw |
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| 02:02.37 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys is it safe to add your user to fuse? to mount a drive for encfs? |
| 02:02.42 | Psil0Cybin | or should i remove the user from group after? |
| 02:02.53 | Psil0Cybin | I am a tad bit confused on the security practise of this? |
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| 02:06.49 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: it should be safe, you should be the only one using your user correct? |
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| 02:14.51 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: your concerns is anyone who can run a script under your user would have any privlages the fuse user would (which is mount read/write to fuse file systems). I doubt some random script ran while webrwosing would do this, but if you don't need to be int eh group all the time why not just mount as root with sudo or some other tool. |
| 02:15.04 | somiaj | s/fuse user/fuse group/ |
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| 02:32.33 | camcage | the command you ment is dpeg --configure -a |
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| 02:32.42 | dvs | dpeg? |
| 02:32.45 | camcage | dpkg |
| 02:32.51 | Swiss-Banker | ello poppet |
| 02:33.01 | camcage | somiaJ: |
| 02:33.12 | camcage | somiaj: |
| 02:33.47 | Swiss-Banker | what is this channel |
| 02:33.50 | Swiss-Banker | ? |
| 02:34.12 | nevyn | Psil0Cybin: if you're going to make the data accessible to your user. does the ability to mount/unmount and format any more damaging than rm -rf <base of filesystem> |
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| 02:35.04 | camcage | in emergency mode it isn't able to complete so now no apt related commands work because dpkg never finished it's --configure -a |
| 02:35.07 | somiaj | Swiss-Banker: to ask questions about the debian operating system |
| 02:35.30 | somiaj | camcage: note there is a difference between dpkg-reconfigure and dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:35.31 | dvs | oh? that's what it's for? |
| 02:35.44 | camcage | oh |
| 02:35.48 | Swiss-Banker | thanks |
| 02:36.00 | somiaj | if you have installed but not configured packages on your system it will run though all packages of that state and configure them (which usually means running the post install scripts) |
| 02:36.12 | camcage | I'm on #debain-next btw |
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| 02:36.47 | somiaj | dpkg-reconfigure works on installed but correctly configured packages and it allows you to chnage debconf option, dpkg --configure actually does things even on packages that dont' have debconf options |
| 02:36.55 | camcage | but it's not able to finish running though the packages |
| 02:37.06 | camcage | it;s timed out or something |
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| 02:37.55 | somiaj | camcage: maybe packges didn't get unpacked all the way and you are missing something that gets hung up when you dpkg --configure |
| 02:38.08 | camcage | admitly I changed my mined just~ after running it and ctrl-c 'ed it but then when I try again and let it run |
| 02:38.21 | camcage | yes that seams to be the case |
| 02:38.22 | somiaj | camcage: note you can dpkg --configure package_name (one at a time) try to find the ones that have trouble and then maybe manually unpack those packages onto your file system |
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| 02:39.17 | camcage | I'll try it |
| 02:39.29 | rook2pawn | once i downloaded the .deb from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi i dpkg -i on my new machine that didn't have connectivity.. what do i do next? |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | reboot |
| 02:40.10 | dvs | rook2pawn: why are you downloadig that package manually? |
| 02:40.43 | rook2pawn | because the other machine has no connectivity, so i had to transfer manually |
| 02:40.56 | dvs | ah |
| 02:41.19 | dvs | apt-zip would have helped. |
| 02:41.28 | rook2pawn | i have a Intel Wireless 7260 which is listed in the iwlwifi |
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| 02:41.57 | somiaj | rook2pawn: erboot is the easiest, you can also 'modprobe -r iwlwifi' then 'modprobe iwlwifi' just reload the module needed |
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| 02:42.29 | somiaj | rook2pawn: oh you ned to copy it over somehow, such as a usb thumbdrive |
| 02:42.40 | rook2pawn | i actually did both, modprobe and then reboot.. |
| 02:42.52 | somiaj | rook2pawn: note did you install the backported kenrel on that machine, or do you still have the stock 3.2 kernel on that machine? |
| 02:42.54 | rook2pawn | still interface is not showing up |
| 02:43.27 | rook2pawn | no, i did not. Should i download the .deb for the backported kernel and dpkg -i on the new machine? |
| 02:44.07 | somiaj | the link you gave us was for wheezy-backports which are firmware for the backported kernels |
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| 02:44.29 | somiaj | I am unsure if this could be the issue, but I think you may have a mixmatch on your firmware/kernel, download the .deb for just wheezy |
| 02:44.45 | rook2pawn | i think they deprecated it or something |
| 02:44.56 | somiaj | (or download the backported kernel and initramfs tools, but I think you need to be consistant here) |
| 02:45.08 | somiaj | rook2pawn: do you see anythig in 'dmesg' about your graphics card? |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | intel graphics? firmware? |
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| 02:45.39 | somiaj | did I acidentally say graphics, this is about a wifi card |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | thought rook2pawn was asking about wifi |
| 02:45.44 | somiaj | 19:41 < rook2pawn> i have a Intel Wireless 7260 which is listed in the iwlwifi |
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| 02:46.08 | somiaj | grr, yea wifi card...my mistake...to much multitasking |
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| 02:49.27 | camcage | somiaj: dosen't work same problem |
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| 02:50.04 | camcage | looks like it's complete cockedup :( |
| 02:50.06 | somiaj | camcage: have tyou figured out which package is causing the issue? |
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| 02:50.37 | camcage | apt-get -f install says dbus > network-<whatsit> |
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| 02:50.53 | somiaj | camcage: so you have dependency issues besides just these configure issues? |
| 02:51.00 | camcage | yes |
| 02:51.04 | somiaj | camcage: have you tried aptitude, sometimes it can think its way out of a box when apt-get can't. |
| 02:51.31 | rook2pawn | i did a modinfo iwlwifi; it only lists the newer set of drivers |
| 02:51.33 | camcage | no good |
| 02:52.02 | rook2pawn | however, i dpkg --info the .deb i installed (firmware-iwlwifi) and it did list the driver i need |
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| 02:52.35 | ir8 | Hello all. As anyone successfully set a glusterfs? |
| 02:52.41 | ir8 | setup/configured. |
| 02:53.38 | camcage | somiaj: dpkg interupted you must manuarly run dpkg --configure -a but thats the command that fails! dam it |
| 02:53.42 | camcage | :( |
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| 02:54.05 | camcage | could not lock the cache |
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| 02:55.24 | somiaj | rook2pawn: I'm seeing some pagaes saying this is a reatlivally new card. uname -a (do you still ahve the 3.2 kernel from wheezy) on that machine? |
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| 02:55.40 | somiaj | camcage: again figure out exactly which package dpkg --configure package_name fails on |
| 02:56.09 | somiaj | camcage: so don't use the -a flag and look at the output of dpkg -l (lines that are not ii (or rc)) |
| 02:56.24 | somiaj | camcage: try to --configure each one manually, if you can figure out what the bad package is, maybe you can fix it manually |
| 02:56.33 | fishcooker | i have 2 wireless card one as client .. second as AP is it possible? |
| 02:56.54 | somiaj | rook2pawn: yea looks like you need a 3.11 kernel or kenwer, so you'll need the 3.13 kernel from backports |
| 02:56.57 | rook2pawn | linux debian 3-2.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:57.01 | tato | hey all, when running sid do I need to have wheezy/jessie repositories listed on sources.list as well? I've found a package which is on wheezy but not on sid, I though that all packages that were in wheezy were in sid |
| 02:57.17 | somiaj | rook2pawn: okay go back to packages.debian.org and get the linux-image for the 3.13 kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 02:57.23 | rook2pawn | ok |
| 02:57.37 | camcage | I tried it manuarly on dbus but it still fails to finish by the looks of it |
| 02:57.40 | somiaj | rook2pawn: you will need to copy over the .deb for hte kernel and I think the initramfs tools too (you can look at the dependencies on the packages.debian.org pages) |
| 02:58.01 | somiaj | camcage: so it seems dbus is the issue. well your system is fairly broken, this advise may or may not work |
| 02:58.20 | rook2pawn | ok, once i do that, and dpkg install them, then modprobe / reboot? |
| 02:58.49 | somiaj | camcage: but you can manually unpack the dbus deb (maybe redownload it to) into root with dpkg, maybe manually unpack it over your system and see if it can configure after you do that or see if you can just dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus- (what ever is the correct deb) |
| 02:59.04 | somiaj | rook2pawn: you will have to reboot as you need to get on a new kernel (not just reload a module) the new module will be loaded during the boot |
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| 02:59.39 | rook2pawn | i see, so i would actually be switching kernels |
| 02:59.48 | camcage | so manually unpacking it is a option. I'll try it |
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| 03:01.38 | somiaj | rook2pawn: let me make sure this driver wasn't backported tot he new wheezy 7.5 kernel (which is still 3.2 with some backported drivers) |
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| 03:02.20 | iio7 | Whats going on with Chromium on testing? "chromium : Depends: libudev0 (>= 146) but it is not installable", seems like libudev0 is gone? |
| 03:03.37 | somiaj | Support for additional Intel Ethernet devices (I210, I211, I217, I218, I354) was introduced. -- doesn't look like your card was one of the ones added rook2pawn, the backported kernel should work (According to google) |
| 03:03.41 | somiaj | ,v libudev9 |
| 03:03.42 | somiaj | ,v libudev0 |
| 03:03.43 | judd | No package named 'libudev9' was found in i386. |
| 03:03.44 | judd | Package: libudev0 on i386 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2 |
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| 03:04.14 | somiaj | iio7: sounds like you found a bug. (: |
| 03:04.38 | iio7 | yeah.. gonna report it. |
| 03:04.54 | rook2pawn | somiaj: thank you for all your help |
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| 03:06.09 | somiaj | iio7: are you on amd64, seems the version in sid is slihgtyl better, but not completely fixed |
| 03:06.22 | iio7 | somiaj, yes |
| 03:06.51 | somiaj | iio7: the sid version for amd64 depends on libudev1, the replacement, in this case I would just grab the sid package and see if it installs |
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| 03:07.16 | somiaj | iio7: genearal advise. Right now sid and testing are close, this is a ncie way to get a fix in sid before it makes it to jessie. This is not good advise once jessie freezes. |
| 03:07.52 | somiaj | iio7: hn |
| 03:07.58 | somiaj | iio7: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746034 |
| 03:08.03 | iio7 | somiaj, yeah I know, I just discovered it this evening. Last upgrade removed chromium due to this. |
| 03:08.32 | iio7 | somiaj, ah, good catch! |
| 03:09.08 | iio7 | somiaj, I was just looking through the reports to see if it was there already :) |
| 03:09.33 | somiaj | iio7: yea lots of my 'help' here is just searching the web for people (: |
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| 03:09.37 | camcage | somiaj: looks like it's compltey broken. I think I'm going to have to reinstall :( |
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| 03:10.06 | somiaj | camcage: I mean you can try to manually fix it but at this point backup/reinstall would be the easiest (And saftest make sure something doens't hide to hurt you later) |
| 03:10.14 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys if i have a program running how would i turn it off? kill the process? |
| 03:10.16 | somiaj | camcage: luckly debian installs are fast |
| 03:10.39 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: 'ps fax' should give you a list of running processes, find the pid (process id) fo the one you want to kill |
| 03:10.41 | camcage | I just manualy extracted the debs on it |
| 03:10.58 | iio7 | somiaj, sometimes the first thought that pops is that someone on irc knows :) Bad habit. |
| 03:11.02 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: then run 'kill pid' or 'kill -9 pid' (second is more agressive but will work if the first does not) |
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| 03:12.22 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 03:12.23 | camcage | so what does the scroll lock button do? |
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| 03:12.26 | Psil0Cybin | so the first should be the safest? |
| 03:12.36 | Psil0Cybin | and what is the easiest way to find out a pid of a process |
| 03:12.53 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: as I said 'ps fax' lists them all, you can grep it for process name, you can use top, or various other tools |
| 03:13.13 | Psil0Cybin | thanks |
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| 03:13.29 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: the first gives the application the option to shut itself down, the second is more agressive in it kills the process and doesn't let the process have the option to shut tiself down, save configs, etc |
| 03:13.38 | camcage | thanks for you efforts somiaj |
| 03:13.54 | somiaj | Psil0Cybin: this is a general difference, read the man page on kill for more details on exact difference |
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| 03:30.18 | un214 | so how do I tell apt-get I want to install the x86 version of libgdk-pixbuf-2.0.0 |
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| 03:31.03 | somiaj | un214: foo:i386 |
| 03:31.07 | centrx | un214, Did you use dpkg-architecture or whatever it is to add the architecture? |
| 03:31.20 | un214 | yeah I've got i386 arch for wine already |
| 03:33.40 | un214 | this guy's got a funny definiton of open source |
| 03:33.51 | un214 | the latest source tree is at 3.4 but the binary is at 3.5 |
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| 03:34.23 | centrx | heh |
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| 03:35.40 | un214 | anyway building it is out of the question |
| 03:35.41 | Psil0Cybin | is it normal to add your user to fuse to mount/unmount drives? is this safe to do for encfs use? |
| 03:36.05 | un214 | strange build env |
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| 03:38.25 | un214 | darn it darn it exe file name collision |
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| 03:47.35 | un214 | sigh yet another toy magnifier |
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| 03:48.29 | centrx | un214, Are you in some kind of futuristic stream of consciousness astronaut training environment? |
| 03:48.46 | un214 | no |
| 03:49.08 | un214 | I'm trying to find a usable screen magnifying program |
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| 03:49.44 | un214 | I've found a number of toys but not one that actually accomplishes the primary task |
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| 04:04.03 | ir8 | what does actually mean? |
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| 04:11.07 | ir8 | Anyone have a idea on how to get this working: http://pastebin.com/2JwEYMmZ |
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| 04:13.27 | q0 | can't you edit pdf with okular ? I'm looking for a pdf editor |
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| 04:14.25 | somiaj | q0: there is a pdfeditor or pdfedit program, something like that |
| 04:14.49 | stojic | ir8: Perhaps a client/server version incompatibility, as described here: http://www.das-werkstatt.com/forum/werkstatt/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2107 |
| 04:15.12 | ir8 | same configuration version between each server. |
| 04:16.11 | q0 | nope, no such package anywhere |
| 04:17.38 | somiaj | ,v pdfedit |
| 04:17.39 | judd | Package: pdfedit on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
| 04:18.19 | somiaj | hmm, looks like it is just old, took it out of wheezy, I see a pdfmod that says it modifies pdfs, can't think of many tools that edit in linux |
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| 04:19.24 | q0 | danke |
| 04:21.53 | Rusty1 | q0: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/open-source-linux-pdf-writer.html says scribus will edit pdfs , dunno |
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| 04:25.05 | q0 | the pdf editors look horrible, i'm converting and editing with libre instead. Turned out to be a better solution for now but thank you for your help guys |
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| 04:26.14 | somiaj | q0: I think pdfs are not ment to be edited, and wish it would have stayed that way. (: |
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| 04:27.18 | jiohdi | seems they can make a document with encryption which would indicate if its been tampered, yes? |
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| 04:51.43 | cnz | I mounted network drives I am able to read the network drives but I can't write to them |
| 04:52.00 | cnz | I have permissions set to read and write on the pc the network drives are in |
| 04:52.02 | cnz | any ideas |
| 04:52.18 | cnz | I can read and write to them just fine on my windows pc but not on this pc |
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| 04:53.13 | RustyShackleford | cnz, are the network drives a samba share? |
| 04:53.22 | cnz | RustyShackleford: yes |
| 04:53.37 | ferret_admiral | woo ha |
| 04:54.00 | ferret_admiral | start ftp and use filezilla or winscp |
| 04:54.02 | ferret_admiral | :) |
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| 04:54.08 | ferret_admiral | drag n drop! |
| 04:54.15 | ferret_admiral | or slap in cygwin |
| 04:54.20 | ferret_admiral | and use rsync |
| 04:54.36 | cnz | cygwin is for windows |
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| 04:56.16 | ferret_admiral | why using samba unles u got win? |
| 04:56.50 | cnz | ferret_admiral: re-read what I typed out |
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| 05:02.30 | aypea[0] | heya. anyone know where I can get past versions of experimental packages? |
| 05:02.43 | rhl | Hi, is there a debian irc chat for debian-science or debian-math at all? |
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| 05:03.03 | aypea[0] | ah. the snapshot search doesn't work the way It hought. nevermind. got it |
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| 05:04.57 | themill | rhl: only for coordinating development work (and that mostly gets done on the mailing lists anyway) |
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| 05:05.45 | rhl | themill: I see. I have started release code for a new library I would like them to package. A friend of mine is doing the unofficial ubuntu packaging |
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| 05:05.56 | rhl | i'm doing official fedora packaging |
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| 05:08.42 | R3zk0n | Hey all so im trying to run debian 7 on windows 7 using VMware Workstation but it seems everytime it starts Gnome 3 closes.. :S |
| 05:08.45 | R3zk0n | any advice? |
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| 05:09.08 | themill | dpkg: tell rhl about rfp |
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| 05:09.51 | themill | rhl: the best way of getting a "request for packaging" answer is to do it yourself though... (and there's no point in doing packaging for ubuntu -- just get this person to do it for debian) |
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| 05:10.06 | rhl | yes, but the they are not an official debian packager |
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| 05:10.46 | themill | rhl: that doesn't matter -- they just need to convince someone to help them out with it and the best way of doing that is through the debian-science and debian-mentors mailing lists. |
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| 05:11.06 | themill | Roughly half the people who maintain packages in debian are not debian developers. |
| 05:11.32 | shifty | how do I know where the per-user cache directory is? It's ~/.cache/ on my system... but on others? |
| 05:11.34 | rhl | ok, great. |
| 05:12.03 | rhl | I would do it myself, but I don't use debian/ubuntu ever.. this is wonderful |
| 05:12.06 | rhl | thanks for the help |
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| 05:13.58 | R3zk0n | is there any reason that gnome3 closes when i try to run it in win7 vmware? |
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| 05:26.09 | R3zk0n | Hey whats the difference from installing debian 7 using vmware workstation ? |
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| 05:34.34 | tonythomas | Hi ! I am getting lots of dependency clashes on giving $ : sudo apt-get install g++. I have pasted all the outputs of apt-cache and sources.lis conetets here. http://paste.debian.net/96110/ please help |
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| 05:36.34 | Katharsis | hi, i have toshiba c655 (satelite) |
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| 05:36.51 | Katharsis | with Debian 7+ only (right now) |
| 05:37.11 | Katharsis | I can't get access to BIOS, because GNU GRUB is loading so fast |
| 05:37.36 | Katharsis | any tips how to enter the BIOS (F2) after restarting my notebook? |
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| 05:38.29 | themill | tonythomas: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg g++-4.7" and "aptitude install g++-4.7" for us? (also, apt-cache policy doesn't require root privileges) |
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| 05:41.40 | tonythomas | themill: I hadn't tried the sudo aptitude install g++-4.7 earlier. Will paste the output once I fail trying to get that fixed using the suggested solutions |
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| 06:20.02 | bazhang | pinning? |
| 06:20.53 | KittenGNU | aka blocking them from being pulled to be installed by updates or me installing them manually |
| 06:22.00 | bazhang | prevent them from being updated? |
| 06:22.24 | KittenGNU | I guess? |
| 06:22.50 | bazhang | you wish to stick with a certain version |
| 06:23.49 | KittenGNU | no I wish to block a package entierly. |
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| 06:34.15 | malat | ref: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=vtk-dicom |
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| 06:54.31 | SillyTalker | how should i mount a smb share on boot? |
| 06:54.59 | SillyTalker | i found some info online but its from a few years back and i read it changed |
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| 07:02.12 | buu | So |
| 07:02.21 | buu | Can mdadm expand the usable size of a raid5 array by adding new disks? |
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| 07:02.36 | civillian | SillyTalker: use /etc/fstab and a credentials file? |
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| 07:03.56 | SillyTalker | civillian: is this correct? http://midactstech.blogspot.be/2013/09/how-to-mount-windows-cifs-share-on_18.html |
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| 07:04.46 | civillian | SillyTalker: yep |
| 07:05.54 | civillian | SillyTalker: although I believe it's gid, not guid |
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| 07:06.19 | civillian | SillyTalker: those numbers are the local UID mappings, they're fine if you're using root to access the files |
| 07:06.24 | foetus | hallo, i'm a bit confused about one typo in /etc/mke2fs.conf section filesystems, ext4, features - there is "extent" and not "extents" like in the manpages - so, what is correct? |
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| 07:07.53 | foetus | system is current (wheezy) |
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| 07:09.46 | op | sir iam using kali linux which is under debian |
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| 07:09.56 | op | but battery backups is getting very low |
| 07:10.02 | op | compared to windows 8 |
| 07:10.03 | op | why? |
| 07:10.07 | op | how to fix that |
| 07:10.17 | op | and my machine getting heated |
| 07:10.19 | bazhang | op kali has a channel |
| 07:10.33 | SillyTalker | civillian: thanks |
| 07:12.08 | foetus | what's right for ext4 - "extent" or "extents" in mke2fs.conf? |
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| 07:16.14 | jelly-home | probably whatever man mke2fs.conf says |
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| 07:20.01 | foetus | jelly-home: but mke2fs.conf uses "extent" - so its probably wrong in mke2fs.conf, isn't it? |
| 07:20.37 | buu | Hrm |
| 07:20.42 | buu | Anyone know if mdadm can expand raids? |
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| 07:21.28 | monkwitdafunk | Is it hard to burn dvd2 and dvd3? |
| 07:21.34 | jelly-home | foetus: possibly, however there's the little fact that mke2fs actually works with that |
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| 07:22.36 | jelly-home | buu: yes, read about "grow" in the manual |
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| 07:24.12 | foetus | jelly-home: being a bit confused about.. however |
| 07:25.09 | buu | jelly-home: My mind is fucking blown |
| 07:25.24 | SillyTalker | i'm using wget in a cron job and i cannot get it to use any other directory except the home dir of the user |
| 07:25.32 | SillyTalker | any ideas why this happens? |
| 07:25.50 | jelly-home | buu: that's the other kind of growing. |
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| 07:27.12 | foetus | ok, will take a look of that.. thanks, jelly-home. |
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| 07:27.34 | jelly-home | foetus: could be a substring match. You can file a priority minor bug and ask for clarification |
| 07:27.54 | foetus | jelly-home: ok. |
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| 07:29.14 | foetus | btw, in case of filesystems its major, i think :) |
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| 07:29.49 | jelly-home | it's not major if it's purely cosmetic and things work |
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| 07:30.11 | foetus | i hope so :) |
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| 07:31.19 | SillyTalker | i'm trying to use -P |
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| 07:33.35 | foetus | btw, tune2fs -l is listing "extent" - curious |
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| 07:44.50 | foetus | with "extents" in mke2fs.conf tune2fs -l is listing "extent" too.. so it's probably cosmetical, "extent" is reported feature. |
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| 08:14.20 | dontknow | anyone knows if 7.5 update fixes the logitech receiver bug? |
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| 08:15.09 | dontknow | the mouse wasn't working with 3.2 kernel sometimes |
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| 08:16.31 | petn-randall | dontknow: Do you have all updates installed in your current installation? |
| 08:17.12 | dontknow | petn-randall, i tried it in 7.4 version last |
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| 08:19.45 | babilen | dontknow: You could also simply try a backported kernel -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 08:20.16 | dontknow | babilen, yes it was working fine with backported kernel |
| 08:20.17 | babilen | dontknow: And the answer to petn-randall's question is "no" ? |
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| 08:20.55 | dontknow | babilen, yes it was a "no" |
| 08:21.30 | dontknow | babilen, i was getting great power efficiency with 3.2 kernel |
| 08:21.36 | babilen | dontknow: Mind installing all updates as doing so would make sure that your system is secure, up-to-date and it would also answer your question |
| 08:21.45 | dontknow | that's why i wouldn't install backport kernel |
| 08:22.19 | babilen | dontknow: Did you file a bug about that? |
| 08:22.44 | dontknow | babilen, i saw a bug report about it really old actually |
| 08:23.05 | dontknow | and people were suggesting backport kernel |
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| 08:25.01 | babilen | dontknow: Alright, please upgrade and come back with details about your system's energy consumption |
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| 08:25.54 | dontknow | babilen, whatever. it looks like you guys have no idea about it |
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| 08:28.06 | babilen | dontknow: wtf? -- but yeah, have a nice day |
| 08:28.25 | dontknow | have a nice day |
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| 08:42.54 | buu | Hrm. With decent quality drives (wd reds) and a moderately sized array (10-15 drives) would you recommend anything beyond raid6 as a raid schema? |
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| 08:44.00 | buu | There's no mdadm equivalent of a raid-z3? |
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| 08:46.08 | jelly | buu: you might want to ask these questions in #linux-raid channel |
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| 08:50.57 | buu | Oh |
| 08:51.26 | jelly | buu: a decent quality drive ought to be rebuilt in under 3-4 hours tops; this excludes all sata devices based on spinning metal |
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| 08:52.07 | buu | excludes? |
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| 08:53.45 | jelly | yes. try to rebuild an array of sata disks in under 12 hours |
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| 08:54.20 | jelly | (hell, try to zero-fill your disk, see how long it takes) |
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| 08:58.33 | gentwo | hi all,,which version should i download? SID/Wheezy/Jessy !! confused.. which version is in the site available as stable?? |
| 08:59.01 | tomodachi | often if you download by ftp |
| 08:59.14 | tomodachi | the folder "stable" points to the current stable release name with a symlink |
| 08:59.26 | tomodachi | gentwo: |
| 08:59.50 | tomodachi | debian wheezy is the stable release of debian |
| 08:59.58 | gentwo | tomodachi: yes. and that version is jessy? |
| 09:00.49 | tomodachi | gentwo: no as i stated the debian stable is wheezy |
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| 09:01.14 | tomodachi | the release jessi , is called testing |
| 09:01.47 | tomodachi | you can read up on releases here: https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 09:04.54 | gentwo | tomodachi: i did install jessie, and some reason the nvidia card does;t work well.. i did mistake installing also the wrong version.. |
| 09:05.12 | gentwo | tomodachi: could you help me to rebuild??? |
| 09:05.48 | babilen | gentwo: There is only a single nvidia driver version in every release; how did you manage to install the wrong version? |
| 09:06.19 | gentwo | babilen: that was the version which is for laptop.. hybrid... |
| 09:06.31 | babilen | gentwo: How did you install the driver? |
| 09:07.02 | gentwo | babilen: i did installed bumblebee... |
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| 09:07.27 | gentwo | babilen: then i try to re install the proper drive and now everything stop working... |
| 09:07.51 | babilen | gentwo: Did you purge bumblebee and how did you install "the proper driver" ? |
| 09:08.00 | gentwo | babilen: the x don't start at all.. it will be great if you could guide me through it.. |
| 09:08.21 | gentwo | babilen: not sure the uninstall of bubbleebee |
| 09:08.51 | gentwo | babilen: i am booting in to debian now.. help me out please |
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| 09:10.07 | babilen | gentwo: You should simply purge the packages -- btw development releases (testing/unstable) are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 09:10.11 | gentwo | babilen: help me to uninstall all the drivers from the machine... |
| 09:10.41 | gentwo | babilen: loged in to root now.. x don;t work anyway... |
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| 09:11.16 | babilen | gentwo: Yes, please purge the bumblebee packages |
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| 09:12.19 | gentwo | babilen: i must say that i am new to debian and don;t know about much on linux |
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| 09:13.30 | babilen | gentwo: I wouldn't recommend to track a development release in that case. Please install wheezy and then nvidia. Which card do you have? What is the pciid (alphanumerical identifier that looks like [abcd:1234]) of your card if you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
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| 09:14.39 | gentwo | babilen: the version i have installed was ok.. everything works except the nvidia card installation broken the X |
| 09:15.30 | babilen | gentwo: Yes, but you will not be able to maintain your installation with your current level of Linux/Debian knowledge in my opinion |
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| 09:16.16 | tomodachi | gentwo: i agree with babilen i think at least that you should stick with debian stable for a while untill you gain some more skills in this area |
| 09:16.25 | tomodachi | or perhaps go with ubuntu |
| 09:16.43 | babilen | gentwo: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html discusses the package manager -- apt-get purge is what you are looking for to purge packages |
| 09:16.52 | gentwo | babilen: once installed i will be trying to test a editing software...thats all.. further upgrade or anything will not be done...after the test i will get a stable version and benchmark |
| 09:17.41 | babilen | gentwo: yes, so purge the bumblebee packages you installed with "apt-get purge NAME_OF_THAT_PACKAGE" and "apt-get --purge autoremove" |
| 09:19.04 | babilen | gentwo: You can find a log of your package management activities in /var/log/apt/history.log if you don't remember what you've done (use a pager such as less to read it) and you can search for installed packages with "bumblebee" in their name with "aptitude search '~i~nbumblebee'" |
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| 09:19.31 | babilen | gentwo: Bumblebee itself is detailed in https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee and nvidia on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:20.00 | gentwo | babilen: bumblebee removed and run the auto remove too |
| 09:20.15 | babilen | removed or purged? |
| 09:20.39 | gentwo | babilen: purge (sorry) |
| 09:21.01 | gentwo | babilen: so its time to start the installation of nvidia driver ? |
| 09:21.27 | gentwo | babilen: i am going to run now with apt-get install nvidia-driver? |
| 09:21.31 | babilen | gentwo: Don't worry (but it is important to be precise as "purge" and "remove" do different things (the former removes configuration files too)) -- Yes, please follow the instructions in the wiki to install the nvidia driver |
| 09:21.44 | babilen | gentwo: No, please refer to the wiki page I mentioned earlier |
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| 09:25.24 | gentwo | babilen: the GF1500 is the card, [ GeForce GTX 470] |
| 09:25.42 | gentwo | [10de:06cd] )rev a3 |
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| 09:32.19 | ndak | hi i have installed apache2, php5 + mysql everythings run fine.. Now i want to start new site and need help to add one more site to apache2. Do you know how to do it? Please msg me, i could pay for the help /msg me |
| 09:32.58 | buu | ndak: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-debian-7 |
| 09:33.06 | petn-randall | ndak: If you're willing to read a little, we can point you to the right documentation. |
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| 09:34.42 | ndak | thanks |
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| 09:35.01 | ndak | petn-randall: do you know if its possible to add virtual box with own ip? |
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| 09:35.37 | ndak | what i mean is, page 1 (10.0.0.23), page 2 (10.0.0.24)? |
| 09:35.40 | ndak | like that? |
| 09:35.46 | babilen | ndak: Edit your site in /etc/apache2/sites-available/$YOURSITE and read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian* and http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html |
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| 09:36.43 | ndak | i did |
| 09:36.46 | ndak | but i says: The ServerName specifies the domain name that the virtual host uses. |
| 09:36.54 | ndak | and i dont want to use domain names. |
| 09:37.06 | ndak | my question is, could i use LAN IP addresses instead? |
| 09:37.31 | bezaban | they would only be available from the LAN of course |
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| 09:38.34 | ndak | bezaban: my idea is to run multiple sites on TOR hidden network |
| 09:38.54 | ndak | and i need to config this right |
| 09:40.38 | stoned | I'm installing debian |
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| 09:41.33 | bezaban | ah, I have no idea how tor services work |
| 09:41.59 | ndak | stoned, lol |
| 09:42.07 | stoned | bezaban, https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en |
| 09:42.10 | ndak | nice :) |
| 09:42.14 | stoned | ndak, that's not funny. |
| 09:42.23 | Gryllida | ndak: tor isn't a webservice. can you ask again? |
| 09:42.28 | Gryllida | webserver, too |
| 09:42.43 | stoned | Gryllida, TOR hidden services do exist. |
| 09:42.46 | ndak | Gryllida: what? |
| 09:42.56 | Gryllida | stoned: i know! tor isn't a webserver though |
| 09:43.05 | Gryllida | it should be a good idea to tell what webserver you're trying to use |
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| 09:43.09 | stoned | Gryllida, there is no point in stating the obvious. |
| 09:43.43 | Gryllida | not talking to you |
| 09:43.57 | Gryllida | i am asking ndak :) |
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| 09:44.51 | stoned | I have not used debian since sarge or etch I think. |
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| 09:44.55 | stoned | etch. |
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| 10:06.50 | S4nD3r | optirun glxgears gave-me: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". primus: fatal: broken GLX on main X display Some suggestion to solve it? |
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| 10:08.24 | colo-work | hrrmmm |
| 10:08.36 | colo-work | does Wheezy handle /etc/mot different that squeeze does? |
| 10:09.05 | colo-work | my /etc/motd.tail isn't appened to /etc/motd (which isn't a symlink to /var/run/... any more either...) on Wheezy, apparently |
| 10:09.09 | S4nD3r | I don't have any libGL.so file, how to install it? |
| 10:09.10 | colo-work | I want that back though :( |
| 10:09.26 | colo-work | S4nD3r, switched Xorg video drivers recently? |
| 10:09.31 | colo-work | or video card hardware? |
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| 10:10.21 | S4nD3r | I installed nvidia |
| 10:10.42 | stoned | Just got done installing debian. xhci module is not loaded or present. where is this module located |
| 10:10.46 | S4nD3r | maybe the files must be in another directory |
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| 10:11.21 | S4nD3r | Ok. I found them |
| 10:11.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell colo-work about motd |
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| 10:13.06 | debian686 | i have a question about encryption |
| 10:13.40 | Nik05 | ok |
| 10:13.41 | blaubarschbube | hi. i am running an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. wen i decide to keep all current versions of config files, can i just rerun the upgrade if i want to change to the newer version later? |
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| 10:14.17 | abrotman | blaubarschbube: it saves new versions if you look in the directory |
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| 10:14.36 | debian686 | do i have to go through the erasing proccess when im encrypting a partition in the setup installation? |
| 10:14.59 | debian686 | it takes a couple of hours and i have already erased twice during test runs |
| 10:15.08 | blaubarschbube | abrotman, good to know, thank you |
| 10:15.29 | abrotman | debian686: skip it if you want, it's ultimately your data |
| 10:15.44 | debian686 | there is no skip¨ |
| 10:15.46 | abrotman | blaubarschbube: or *should* anyway |
| 10:15.50 | debian686 | only cancel |
| 10:16.14 | abrotman | debian686: are you sure it's actually erasing? what does the debug console say? |
| 10:16.25 | blaubarschbube | abrotman, okay, i wont nail you down on that :) |
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| 10:17.03 | debian686 | only cancel) |
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| 10:17.40 | debian686 | it says erasing data on (disk drive name here) and some googling said its randomizing data on the drive |
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| 10:18.22 | stoned | Debian Jessie netinst freshly done. How do I enable the xhci module? |
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| 10:19.21 | stoned | I've not used Linux in about 4+ years. I've forgotten a qood bit. :) |
| 10:19.29 | Nik05 | what does lsmod | grep xhci say? |
| 10:19.38 | stoned | No output. It's not loaded. |
| 10:20.02 | stoned | It could be b/c I chose to build/install the ramdisk image tailored to this machine and not a generic one w/ all the drivers |
| 10:20.08 | stoned | How can I revert back to that? |
| 10:20.27 | Nik05 | oh that somewhere in /etc/default/initramfs |
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| 10:21.10 | Nik05 | /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf there it is |
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| 10:21.54 | Nik05 | then you problably need to change the MODULES line to MODULES=most |
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| 10:22.22 | stoned | It's already at most. |
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| 10:25.22 | stoned | hm. |
| 10:25.27 | Nik05 | you can try putting it in /etc/modules, but i have no idea how that all works |
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| 10:25.48 | stoned | in /lib/modules/3.13-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/xhci-hcd.ko |
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| 10:26.17 | finga_ | finds the closest large object and gives Koma a slap with it |
| 10:26.18 | finga_ | dusts off a kitchen towel and slaps it at Koma |
| 10:26.18 | finga_ | slaps Koma upside da head with a hairy goldfish |
| 10:26.24 | finga_ | instructs a pet piranha to munch on Koma's shoulder blades |
| 10:26.24 | finga_ | likes slapping people and randomly picks Koma to slap. |
| 10:26.24 | finga_ | gives Koma a clout round the head with a fresh copy of HydraIRC |
| 10:26.24 | finga_ | slaps Koma a few times |
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| 10:30.40 | colo-work | abrotman, cool, thanks |
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| 10:34.54 | Nik05 | got it running stoned ? |
| 10:35.18 | stoned | Not yet my friend not yet |
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| 10:40.59 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/Initrd |
| 10:41.45 | stoned | The driver policy (MODULES-option) can be overridden by a file named driver-policy put into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/. |
| 10:42.00 | stoned | This file contains dep and not most, and the top comments say this file overrides other settings. |
| 10:42.05 | stoned | So no wonder. |
| 10:42.08 | stoned | Let's try again |
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| 10:42.19 | lacrymology | I'm using an ubuntu box and want to get packages for a raspi (running raspbian) which has no internet connection. Is there any way for me to do that that doesn't require me to go to the raspi, check with apt-get what it tries to install, go to the raspberry pi repos and download, rinse and repeat? as in, can I do all that directly from my computer? |
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| 10:42.52 | stoned | I guess now update-initramfs -k all -u something |
| 10:42.59 | stoned | I can't remember |
| 10:44.16 | Walex | lacrymology: is that a real question? |
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| 10:44.29 | SynrGy | it's a real question, but OT for here. |
| 10:44.48 | SynrGy | !apt-offline |
| 10:44.49 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>. |
| 10:45.45 | stoned | oh what the hell... does vmware workstation 10 not have usb3 passthrough? |
| 10:45.48 | SynrGy | lacrymology: raspbian support is in #raspbian. please use your own distro's support channel for support questions. thanks |
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| 10:46.18 | ksk | ,versions apache2 |
| 10:46.20 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9-1; sid: 2.4.9-1 |
| 10:46.55 | ice9 | does debain use selinux or apparmor? |
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| 10:47.23 | stoned | I was going to use a vm to xfer my data from NTFS to ext4. Seems like that not really a possibility any more. Any suggestions? I've got most of my data on NTFS and I've 2x 3TB usb3 hdd. Desktop runs Windows 7. I want to move my data over to ext4 before I rid of Windows 7 and install debian on the main desktop |
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| 10:48.03 | SynrGy | ice9: see https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor and https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 10:48.36 | stoned | vmware disconnects the drive from windows and gives control to the debian vm. but I can't seem to find it anywhere in lsusb etc. |
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| 10:50.33 | SynrGy | stoned: i don't know vmware. only vbox. should be possible |
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| 10:51.22 | SynrGy | stoned: if it's a usb device and the VM isn't seeing it, that's a question for #vmware i guess |
| 10:51.32 | lacrymology | Walex, SynrGy: it was, I thought, a generic question about apt and dpkg |
| 10:51.49 | stoned | vm sees it. debian doesn't. b/c xhci-hcd.ko isn't loaded |
| 10:52.02 | SynrGy | lacrymology: please don't argue with us about what we do and don't support. i was kind and pointed you at the apt-offline factoid ... |
| 10:52.02 | lacrymology | can I make it look in other repos, made for other architectures? |
| 10:52.04 | stoned | I would be happy if I can figure out how to enable it. |
| 10:52.16 | lacrymology | SynrGy: oh, I didn't see that |
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| 10:52.19 | SynrGy | lacrymology: whether or not that works for you is a question for #raspbian, not here. |
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| 10:52.38 | stoned | I was noting that lspci output only lists vmware usb hub 1.1 and 2 but for for usb3 , but afai vmware does support usb |
| 10:52.40 | stoned | er.. usb3 |
| 10:53.16 | SynrGy | shrugs ... |
| 10:53.23 | SynrGy | stoned: *really* a question for #vmware |
| 10:53.47 | SynrGy | if you were using debian's vbox instead, we could discuss it here. |
| 10:53.53 | stoned | Well, as a backup that this failed, I've already moved everything to NTFS green disks. |
| 10:53.58 | SynrGy | but that has no usb2 :p |
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| 10:54.35 | SynrGy | (or you could try migrating the vmware image to vbox upstream pkgs which *does* have usb2) |
| 10:54.45 | SynrGy | oh, usb3? dunno about that |
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| 10:54.54 | stoned | Soon the 2TB dynamic disk stripe can be broken (I am cleaning my usenet/nzb dumps) then I don't need to xfer yet. I can just wipe windows, install debian then use ntfs-3g or read only ntfs and copy data to ext4 |
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| 10:55.17 | SynrGy | stoned: done by OT? |
| 10:55.20 | SynrGy | being* |
| 10:55.27 | stoned | Either way, it's not an issues. Just things take longer or ... not long. |
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| 10:55.41 | SynrGy | stoned: rambling a bit |
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| 10:56.20 | stoned | SynrGy, too complainy so early the morning. Give it a rest. |
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| 10:57.26 | SynrGy | stoned: too rambly for any time of day. keep it to debian support questions. |
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| 10:57.51 | SynrGy | as i said, #vmware if it's not seeing your NTFS |
| 10:59.08 | ndak | hi i have installed apache2, php5 + mysql everythings run fine.. Now i want to start new site and need help to add one more site to apache2. Do you know how to do it? Please msg me, i could pay for the help /msg me |
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| 11:01.12 | bdog7 | ndak, I think you want to look into how to setup "virtual hosts" |
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| 11:02.56 | ndak | hi. i want to install a Openvpnserver + PEM for my VPS. I am new and i need this asap, I want use my own VPN because its cheaper. :) I am using Debian 7 and I will pay you for the work /msg me |
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| 11:05.13 | syshape | hey, I have a problem, I was trying to do apt-get dist-upgrade, but I have a thousand errors : systemd-sysv:amd64 conflicts with sysvinit:amd64 |
| 11:05.16 | bdog7 | ndak, wow a new question about something different, did you sort apache2 already? |
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| 11:05.21 | Walex | ndak: also try various small-work sites like Fiverr, RentACoder, ... |
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| 11:05.45 | Walex | syshape: thanks for letting us know :-) |
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| 11:06.14 | syshape | What should I do Walex ? |
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| 11:06.36 | Walex | syshape: remove/purge one or the other -- they most likely conflict. |
| 11:07.07 | Walex | syshape: now the question to you is: how comes you are installing 'systemd-sysv'? |
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| 11:07.35 | syshape | I'm on Wheezy, and just trying to dist-upgrade to sid |
| 11:08.01 | Walex | SynrGy: that's excessive. |
| 11:08.42 | Walex | syshape: then you are a very advanced expert in package management, and we cannot presume to help you. |
| 11:09.07 | Walex | syshape: prhaps #Debian-next on OFTC might be more suitable |
| 11:09.22 | SynrGy | syshape: i.e. if you have to ask, you should not be running unstable. |
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| 11:10.46 | stoned | I usually run a sid 32bit chroot inside a stable or testing host env. |
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| 11:11.20 | stoned | If you really need some bleeding edge, mix in experimental or setup another chroot to package or build from source other stuff |
| 11:12.26 | gjvc | chroot logins are fun |
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| 11:12.57 | syshape | I'm using unstable for more than 7 years now, with not that much problems |
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| 11:13.55 | gjvc | yeah |
| 11:14.06 | gjvc | i had an X update go wonky once |
| 11:14.53 | Solution-X | i had grub do the same about 2 months ago |
| 11:14.55 | petern_ | systemd-sysv and sysvinit are, of course, designed to conflict. |
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| 11:16.23 | Solution-X | god i hate my keyboard |
| 11:17.42 | petern_ | Hmm, actually in sid, they don't conflict. In Wheezy, they do. |
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| 11:18.45 | lazlo | hi everyone |
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| 11:19.05 | lazlo | anyone how can give me a hint, i have opened a gnu screen on a serial device. i can receive stuff but i can't type anything into the screen ... and don't know what could be the problem. already tried ctrl+A+f but no change |
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| 11:19.10 | SynrGy | syshape: seven years of sid usage and don't know what to do with conflicts on an upgrade? wow. but yeah, #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net and maybe we can toss around some ideas. |
| 11:19.51 | SynrGy | syshape: i guess you've been exceptionally lucky if this is the first time up against such issues |
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| 11:21.06 | stoned | [06:12:35] <syshape> I'm using unstable for more than 7 years now, with not that much problems <- That's a damndable lie! |
| 11:21.22 | stoned | It has to be. Not possible . Sid has has massive breaks and issues sometimes. |
| 11:21.27 | stoned | had* |
| 11:22.12 | tuorwork | hi, when i leave my laptop. after some time the display dimm down and finaly he is completly black. I have copy some line of my syslog but don't realy know whats the problem.. : http://pastebin.com/14drrifM |
| 11:22.22 | Walex | lazlo: while 'screen' can work on serial devices, usually 'minicom' is more suitable. |
| 11:22.33 | Solution-X | stoned- i have a buddy that SWEARS by sid |
| 11:22.41 | petern_ | stoned, you're confusing that with Ubuntu release upgrades :D |
| 11:22.42 | lazlo | Walex: Thank you! I'll try minicom |
| 11:22.59 | Solution-X | that being said, he works on the kernel so also knows when something is broken and just doesnt update |
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| 11:23.15 | SynrG | Solution-X: certain kinds of people thrive on it (myself included). that's why we do support it on #debian-next @ OFTC |
| 11:23.17 | Solution-X | and laughs at me when i update |
| 11:23.20 | Walex | lazlo: in particular 'minicom' as various builting menus to configure every aspect of the serial interface |
| 11:23.28 | SynrG | Solution-X: but it's still generally not recommended for users |
| 11:23.36 | stoned | abrotman might remember the kinda of crazy stuff I do in packaging. |
| 11:23.36 | talin | hello. i installed debian 7.4.0 from netinst, but network card didn't work, so i got a minimal install. i do apt-get update and then apt-cache search emacs, but it doesn't find any packages. only a few |
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| 11:23.51 | syshape | I didn't said no problems with sid, but not that much :) |
| 11:23.59 | talin | my sources.list has: deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main |
| 11:24.04 | stoned | I build/rebuilt entire dependecy trees sometimes just to avoid ... well... I manage. |
| 11:24.10 | SynrG | talin: so, whoops. you need some more lines |
| 11:24.12 | Solution-X | SynrG- i have enjoyed some major performance increases from sid that i was missing out on in wheezy...i cant complain about the occasional issue |
| 11:24.37 | SynrG | !tell talin about wheezy sources.list |
| 11:25.06 | stoned | Which reminds me since I'm on testing; apt-listchanges etc. |
| 11:25.19 | SynrG | Solution-X: sure. but it's a commitment to be involved in the debian development process that most users really don't get / aren't prepared for |
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| 11:25.27 | SynrG | hence our standard warning off of it |
| 11:25.33 | stoned | What happened to that package |
| 11:25.34 | Solution-X | agreed |
| 11:25.52 | Solution-X | Im a glutton for punishment. Thats why i still run windows me |
| 11:26.10 | SynrG | talin: and you solved the network problems afterwards, i guess? |
| 11:26.11 | stoned | What was it called? The one that informs you of crtical bugs when updating in testing or sid |
| 11:26.22 | SynrG | stoned: apt-listbugs |
| 11:26.27 | stoned | ah thanks |
| 11:26.32 | stoned | It's been a few years. |
| 11:26.40 | talin | SynrG: yes. thank you very much, noble sri |
| 11:26.42 | talin | sir* |
| 11:26.51 | SynrG | np |
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| 11:27.19 | talin | it is working now remarkably well |
| 11:27.29 | SynrG | super. |
| 11:27.34 | lazlo | Walex: I'm now runnin minicom and enabled local echo and can now see what I am typing .. but i'm not sure if that also means that minicom is sending what i'm typing. so you known if when i type into minicom it will imediatly send/write the input to the serial device i have opened? |
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| 11:27.48 | SynrG | talin: we just had a point release, so make sure you're up-to-date |
| 11:28.30 | stoned | I wonder what all has changed in Debian since 2009 |
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| 11:31.07 | stoned | peterS, ! o/ |
| 11:31.31 | stoned | Whoah! Dude! Great to see you still around man. I shall msg you. |
| 11:31.33 | talin | SynrG: ah, i just did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 11:31.39 | SynrG | stoned: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes |
| 11:32.12 | SynrG | talin: should be good. though dist-upgrade if anything was held back (not usually the case with point releases though) |
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| 11:32.44 | talin | SynrG: is that apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:32.48 | talin | SynrG: or aptitude? |
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| 11:33.01 | stoned | Yup already there pal |
| 11:33.03 | stoned | wicked |
| 11:33.03 | SynrG | apt-get dist-upgrade, yeah. |
| 11:34.26 | stoned | Hey I just remembered something but then I forgot. What is the difference between safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 11:34.49 | stoned | I'm on windows atm, no access to aptitude man page |
| 11:35.20 | SynrG | stoned: then you'll be happy to learn there is manpages.debian.net |
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| 11:35.58 | stoned | nice |
| 11:36.03 | talin | what's the easiest way to copy all usernames/passwords from server A to server B if you want to be able to use the same credentials there (both use only ssh) |
| 11:36.09 | Walex | lazlo: yes, 'minicom' will send everything immediately. Then the device may block it with flow control etc. |
| 11:36.10 | R3zk0n | anyone able to help me get Debian 7 to work correct on my Virtual applcation? |
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| 11:36.25 | Walex | talin: none. |
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| 11:36.43 | talin | Walex: i've done it before, i just don't remember how. |
| 11:36.45 | stoned | Awesome. That was helpful |
| 11:37.00 | SynrG | talin: i would slice out the /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group and /etc/gshadow bits from "1000" up (i.e. user accounts) to append to those files on the new system |
| 11:37.50 | Walex | talin: what <SynrG> says, but you asked for the "easiest way" :-). |
| 11:37.54 | talin | SynrG: thank you |
| 11:38.03 | talin | Walex: aaah, i get it :-) |
| 11:38.31 | Walex | talin: if you really need, setting up Kerberos or something related is not that difficult. |
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| 11:40.34 | Walex | talin: every other options is painful and/or error prone. |
| 11:41.20 | talin | Walex: kerberos? is that like ldap? |
| 11:41.27 | Walex | blames Ritchie and Thompson for not making paths a base concept of application writing in UNIX |
| 11:41.35 | Walex | talin: more or less... |
| 11:41.56 | Walex | talin: except that using LDAP for passwords is usually a bad idea, and Kerberos protects them well. |
| 11:42.47 | talin | aah, i see |
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| 11:43.42 | gentwo | babilen: are you still around?? |
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| 11:43.59 | JEHorn | I love that the Debian team has so far still supported PowerPC computers. Running Wheezy on my older G4 Mac, much faster than MacOS 10.4.! |
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| 11:44.50 | gentwo | babilen: i have installed from CD again... the test version.. i couldn't install the driver earlier due lots of broken packages.. |
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| 11:46.33 | stoned | Have there been any new cool and shiny window managers ? |
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| 11:48.53 | stoned | aptitude search ~dtrinity returns only p trinity - system call fuzz tester. |
| 11:49.02 | stoned | I guess Trinity hasn't been packaged? |
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| 11:49.16 | stoned | !tell me about pdo |
| 11:49.29 | stoned | no? Fine. Don't tell me. I'll google it. |
| 11:49.30 | Walex | stoned: I remember the time when 'piewm' was cool and shiny |
| 11:49.49 | stoned | https://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/DebianBinaryInstallation it's all they have |
| 11:50.16 | Walex | stoned: and what about GWM/Koala? |
| 11:50.18 | stoned | I doubt stable repos have it, but let's see. |
| 11:50.42 | stoned | I shall check out piewm, GWM/Koala as I've never heard of them before |
| 11:51.08 | JEHorn | Yeah, I just installed trinity earlier :) they have their own repo for it |
| 11:51.09 | stoned | Trinity is a KDE 3.5.10 fork (last I was most comfortable w/) |
| 11:51.34 | stoned | well, I might grab the source packages from them and alter the control/rules etc. |
| 11:51.35 | Walex | stoned: they are very old. One had pie-chart menus, which is actually a good idea, and the other one is the Emacs of window managers: a small core in C, the rest in Lisp. |
| 11:51.41 | stoned | rebuild for testing |
| 11:51.53 | stoned | not sure what all it's build depends are yet |
| 11:52.00 | stoned | hell, I'm not even on debian yet. |
| 11:53.07 | stoned | pie charts for menus. Interesting concept; one I'd like to use |
| 11:53.31 | JEHorn | Pie charts? I wonder what that would be like! |
| 11:54.12 | stoned | ditto |
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| 11:56.10 | stoned | yeah, I just peeked over at the actual repo |
| 11:56.15 | JEHorn | I remember a really weird GUI, kind like you could fling file icons all over a virtual desk, I dont remember what it was or where. |
| 11:56.21 | stoned | it depends on a buuuunch of stuff |
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| 11:58.37 | stoned | dunno either. |
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| 11:58.55 | stoned | Most I ever used was 'The Compiz Confusion' |
| 11:58.57 | abrotman | stoned: you didn't do any packaging. |
| 11:58.58 | stoned | :) |
| 11:59.21 | abrotman | stoned: Do you actually need help or are you just here to cause problems again? |
| 12:00.25 | JEHorn | Anyone have expirence with Mutt? - I'm having issues getting it to work with getmail and ssmtp.. which both work on their own. |
| 12:00.54 | abrotman | JEHorn: there's a fairly large #mutt |
| 12:01.08 | JEHorn | Oh okay, thanks for pointing me there |
| 12:01.12 | JEHorn | :) |
| 12:01.21 | ksk | hey guys. how can i use rsync to copy over ssh - but not on port22? I dont really get it :o |
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| 12:02.05 | abrotman | ksk: your'e using -e 'ssh foo'? |
| 12:02.29 | Nik05 | rsync -e 'ssh -p ####' |
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| 12:02.39 | Minnebo | Hi guys! |
| 12:02.50 | stoned | abrotman, not for repo for myself. You may recall building SMC and lib bootse but Khatib took over as he filed a related package before me and I got caught up in Apache vs. GPL license approval crap. |
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| 12:02.56 | ksk | abrotman: Nik05 thanks |
| 12:03.02 | stoned | er. lib boost |
| 12:03.11 | Minnebo | i'm stuck at a postfix config, for some reason it is not taking my selection .. : / I just get prompt with a help window |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | Right .. you didn't |
| 12:03.28 | mingtsay | I'm back here. |
| 12:04.20 | abrotman | Minnebo: what is in the help window? |
| 12:04.22 | mingtsay | I finally find out the solution about setting up Debian as Router using PPPoE to provide one IPv4 and one prefix of IPv6 |
| 12:04.23 | stoned | I could have. I can now. There are many things that need adoption surely. |
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| 12:04.43 | stoned | What's the cause of your hostility. It's been years. You seem like you've not changed. |
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| 12:04.55 | abrotman | Neither have you. |
| 12:05.08 | wadada | Trying to transfer 5TB from NAS to RAID 0 Array using link agregation to an ASUS P6T6 Motherboard with dual Realtek 8111C Gigabit LANs and ICH10R SATA Controller. If I run a live debian and managed to create a stripped raid and establish link aggregation will the raid be accessible in Windoze? In other words will the drivers treat the raid the same way? |
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| 12:05.46 | petern_ | RAID 0... crazy... |
| 12:05.47 | Minnebo | abrotman, it is just explaining the different options I can pick |
| 12:05.48 | buu | wadada: The raid is created via the raid card? |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | Minnebo: such as what? We can't see your screen. |
| 12:06.19 | wadada | abrotman: plan to use the onboard RAID |
| 12:06.24 | stoned | Sure I have. |
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| 12:06.57 | petern_ | ICH10R is a fake-raid thing. |
| 12:07.16 | abrotman | And I wouldn't trust that to do anything correctly |
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| 12:07.32 | wadada | abrotman: Exactly so will that be an issue? this is a one off . . . |
| 12:07.40 | stoned | For one, I am no reciprocating your nebulous hostility :) You have trolled the bejeezus out of me in the past. You don't get under my skin anymore. It's cool. |
| 12:07.41 | abrotman | wadada: your RAID isn't real RAID |
| 12:07.43 | stoned | not* |
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| 12:07.52 | abrotman | stoned: Please try to keep on-topic. |
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| 12:08.10 | wadada | abrotman: OK . . .so get a RAID card . . .any thoughts on brands? |
| 12:08.20 | buu | wadada: Why not just stay on one operating system? |
| 12:08.26 | mortendammadsen | Hi, total noob here trying to install Debian on a Dell PowerEdge 840 and having problems getting it to boot after installation... Can anybody help ?? |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | wadada: Everyone has the ones they prefer. Seagate, LSI, Adaptec. |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | even Dell-branded |
| 12:09.16 | wadada | Target OS is windows but having issues setting up the link aggregation . . .figured linux has better method of aggregating . . |
| 12:10.05 | Solution-X | I like LSI for mission critical stuff but if you are going for rule-the-world-with-pure-mass-storage, i like adaptec...because they have the 40port card and its *relatively* cheap |
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| 12:10.33 | Solution-X | if you are doing a small ZFS setup, the IBM branded cards are a really nice fit |
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| 12:10.49 | Walex | Solution-X: instead we have found that LSI host adapters are often too buggy. |
| 12:11.33 | Solution-X | really? which ones are you using? I've not had any issues with mine but i am also limited in what im able to get my hands on |
| 12:12.00 | petern_ | How does link aggregation in Linux help Windows? |
| 12:12.03 | wadada | Solution-X: Thanks will look on Ebay this is just a one time task . . .with 4 stripped drives . . .already getting great speeds with jumbo frames 167MB/s |
| 12:12.05 | Minnebo | abrotman, lol, in that popup i also had to do enter |
| 12:12.15 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:13.02 | wadada | Patern_: Using linux to transfer the files to PC that will run windows and use the transfered data |
| 12:13.19 | wadada | Petern_: Using linux to transfer the files to PC that will run windows and use the transfered data |
| 12:13.30 | petern_ | Also seems odd that you trust 5TB of data to RAID 0... |
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| 12:13.48 | Walex | Solution-X: as to LSI most of the ex-3ware cards seem to be extraordinarily buggy, and there are a few sites devoted to that. for the original LSI cards, hotplugging does not work that realiably, and there are odd scheduling issues in RAID mode. We only use JBOD mode anyhow. |
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| 12:14.31 | wadada | yes . . .I warned them but they want the cheap option . . . .would have gone with raid 6 (more drives) idea is that the source is Raid six so the target can be cheap |
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| 12:14.43 | debian402 | hello |
| 12:14.47 | Solution-X | ah, that may be why i havent seen any issues...everything i run is jbod/it |
| 12:15.03 | debian402 | im having issue, first time debian, the screen keeps going black and with it changing resolution |
| 12:15.37 | debian402 | whenever i go into some kind of settings, it will do the same |
| 12:16.00 | Solution-X | debian402- i assume you are running in GUI mode- do you know which desktop you are using? kde/gnome/etc? |
| 12:16.12 | debian402 | im using gnome 3 in debian 7 |
| 12:17.10 | Solution-X | what do you mean "whenever i go into some kind of settings, it will do the same" |
| 12:17.27 | Solution-X | when the window opens or when you click the mouse? all windows or certain windows? |
| 12:17.32 | blaubarschbube | hi. an upgrade from sqeeze to wheezy broke my bacula-director-postgresql. a backup of the db was automatically dumped before. now it seems that i have two versions running, 8.4 and 9.1 . how can i fix that? how can i restore the data and get rid of that old version? beside this my client cannot connect, i assume due to password issues |
| 12:17.46 | Jonuz | Which package offers net command..? |
| 12:18.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Jonuz about apt-file |
| 12:18.04 | blaubarschbube | btw: my client is bacula-director |
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| 12:18.49 | Jonuz | ty |
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| 12:19.40 | debian402 | sikytuib-x I mean the resolution settings, it will black screen and change resolution. If i close down resolution/window settings and start em, black screen happens again. the window doesnt appear before the glitching happens. Entire screen goes black. Only those that seem to modify my resolution. |
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| 12:20.25 | debian402 | During start-up when i decrypt my drive, resolution is low: after its done, its high for some moments, then goes low before I log in, then screen goes black for around 20 seconds before coming back on with low resolution |
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| 12:20.46 | debian402 | then when I go into monitor settings, it goes back high. then randomly goes low |
| 12:20.53 | Solution-X | oh...weird...erm.... |
| 12:21.18 | Solution-X | i think its something with default resolution for your login screen |
| 12:21.32 | wadada | abrotman: Found this! Thanks for the "fake raid" angle http://www.overclockers.com/how-to-dual-boot-windows-and-linux-on-a-fake-raid-array/ |
| 12:21.37 | Solution-X | but not sure on why your logged-in resolution would randomly change |
| 12:21.55 | debian402 | my monitor name changes as well |
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| 12:22.13 | debian402 | the low resolution one is unknown, and the higher one is my monitor name. |
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| 12:23.06 | debian402 | i tried downloading drivers for my graphics card, but debian wants me to put in a disk for some wheezy version. |
| 12:23.21 | Solution-X | maybe a driver or communication issue? check cables (tight connection/bad cable?) and im not sure how to check the driver route but thats a long shot...someone call me out if im going down the wrong path here |
| 12:23.49 | debian402 | i was running windows before this, and it worked great |
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| 12:26.07 | pinumbernumber | I can't find updated info: How do I install Cinnamon on current debian testing? |
| 12:26.17 | Solution-X | im honestly not sure...sorry debian402 |
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| 12:28.12 | debian402 | k thx bye |
| 12:29.08 | babilen | pinumbernumber: You can pull it from sid -- cf. <tum> -- /msg dpkg tum |
| 12:29.24 | babilen | judd: v cinnamon |
| 12:29.25 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b2 |
| 12:30.42 | pinumbernumber | I'm not quite sure how to do that |
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| 12:31.26 | Walex | pinumbernumber: #Debian-next on OFTC. And as I don't tire to repeat, if you are using unreleased packaged from unreleased archives, you are supposed to be an expert at package building and fixing. |
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| 12:32.50 | pinumbernumber | Walex: If that doesn't hold true for me, should I just use LMDE if I need cinnamon? |
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| 12:33.54 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My Debian box runs ntpd. However, after a power cycle, the system catches date 3 hours in future before the ntpd syncs to neighbour servers. BIOS clock seems to be set correctly (to my local time). Any clues what's the problem? My timezone is Europe/Vilnius (EEST) |
| 12:34.13 | Walex | pinumbernumber: that might well be a reasonable option. |
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| 12:34.59 | Walex | pinumbernumber: those guys tend to build stable packages that don't require being a debian packagin expert. |
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| 12:35.31 | Walex | hid3: EEST is 2 hours away, plus 1 hour for summertime probably. |
| 12:35.40 | pinumbernumber | would you expect Cinnamon to be well supported on straight debian any time soon? |
| 12:36.18 | Walex | hid3: so it is an issue of whether the hw clock is in UTC or local time. |
| 12:36.50 | Walex | pinumbernumber: have you looked in 'wheezy-backports'? If it is not there, the earliest will be next release I guess. |
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| 12:37.54 | pinumbernumber | I followed a guide to simply add the mint repos and install it from there, but unsurprisingly there are plenty of unsatisifable dependencies |
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| 12:38.03 | hid3 | Walex: how do I fix it so it knows the local clock *isn't* in UTC and avoid all the problems related to the time sync... |
| 12:38.33 | Walex | pinumbernumber: I don't know, but that seems rather strange. |
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| 12:38.40 | petern_ | pinumbernumber, maybe you should just run Mint? |
| 12:38.43 | pinumbernumber | specifically "Depends: libcogl-pango12 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not installable" and "Recommends: gir1.2-cjsdbus-1.0 but it is not installable" |
| 12:39.02 | Walex | pinumbernumber: I had a look for you at http://backports.debian.org/wheezy-backports/overview/ and 'cinnamon' is not there... |
| 12:39.09 | petern_ | Mint isn't Debian, why would you expect that to work? |
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| 12:39.36 | Walex | petern_: LMDE is theoretically on top of Debian... |
| 12:39.37 | pinumbernumber | petern_: Yeah probably. I saw a few posts along the lines of "why use LMDE when you could just install cinnamon on Debian" but I guess that doesn't work (anymore) |
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| 12:40.11 | Walex | pinumbernumber: but not that LMDE is based on the 'testing' archive, not on 'wheezy'. |
| 12:40.18 | Walex | pinumbernumber: but note that LMDE is based on the 'testing' archive, not on 'wheezy'. |
| 12:40.22 | pinumbernumber | I'm using testing |
| 12:40.25 | peterrooney | pinumbernumber: MINT's claim of debian compatibility is (at best) bogus. |
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| 12:40.32 | peterrooney | !frankendebian |
| 12:40.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 12:41.13 | pinumbernumber | okay to confirm: one cannot easily or even semi-easily install cinnamon on current debian testing? |
| 12:41.32 | Walex | pinumbernumber: again, if people use the unreleased 'testing' or 'unstable' archives they are supposed to be self-supporting for most packaging issues |
| 12:41.37 | babilen | pinumbernumber: You are tracking testing and can therefore just pull it from sid. Packages transition between those two all the time and you can/should just speed that up if *you want to*. If doing so for cinnamon in the light of the RC bugs that prevent it from transitioning is a good idea is a different questions. |
| 12:42.05 | pinumbernumber | how do I "pull it from sid"? |
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| 12:42.46 | babilen | pinumbernumber: Configure <tum> (see above) and set "-t unstable" -- btw, testing and unstable are both supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 12:43.11 | Walex | pinumbernumber: myself and my colleagues are very experienced Debian sysadms and we just use 'stable' (with some backports) as a rule unless we specifically need to do package development for future releases..... |
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| 12:43.44 | elichai2 | hey |
| 12:44.09 | babilen | pinumbernumber: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=cinnamon is probably worth a look. Using mint is also an option, but you might encounter the same bugs. |
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| 12:44.22 | elichai2 | where is the appropriate path to install java in? |
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| 12:44.31 | elichai2 | /usr/lib/jvm or /usr/local/java? |
| 12:44.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about install java |
| 12:44.34 | Walex | pinumbernumber: I cringe every time some mortal user switch enthusiastically to 'testing' and 'unstable' and then feel pain. |
| 12:44.45 | babilen | Walex++ |
| 12:45.02 | elichai2 | babilen: i'm installing oracle tar.gz java |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | elichai2: why not just use the current openjdk packages? |
| 12:45.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about java package |
| 12:45.23 | babilen | elichai2: Adn yeah, use the reference implementation! |
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| 12:45.29 | babilen | (i.e. OpenJDK) |
| 12:45.57 | elichai2 | i want Oracle one not OpenJDK |
| 12:46.02 | babilen | elichai2: Why? |
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| 12:46.12 | Walex | elichai2: apart from the wisdom of using Oracle Java, the general rule is that '/usr/local' is for *unpackaged* (not '.deb') stuff, and everything else for packages. More or less. |
| 12:46.14 | elichai2 | because i'm java deveoper |
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| 12:46.44 | elichai2 | so /usr/local? |
| 12:47.00 | SirLagz | what was the sources list to install firefox from mozilla themselves ? |
| 12:47.05 | babilen | elichai2: OpenJDK is the reference implementation -- https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the + https://jdk7.java.net/java-se-7-ri/ |
| 12:47.07 | Walex | elichai2: that is the usual convention. |
| 12:47.14 | lumines | elichai2: openjdk is almost the same as oracles jdk since version 7 |
| 12:47.35 | elichai2 | yeah but first of all, i'm installing java 8 |
| 12:47.46 | babilen | elichai2: And read about java package, but still: Use (and target) the reference implementation. OpenJDK can also be used by developers ;) |
| 12:48.01 | elichai2 | second, i just belive more in oracle than openjdk |
| 12:48.21 | babilen | elichai2: It's not a question of belief, but of standards |
| 12:48.50 | elichai2 | oracle java isn't the standard?! |
| 12:48.53 | babilen | elichai2: But suit yourself, please read the message our bot send you and all the best |
| 12:49.02 | Walex | SirLagz: that's unadvisable. Also Mozilla AFAIK provide 'tar' archives, not '.deb' packages. |
| 12:49.09 | babilen | elichai2: No, it is not. Did you actually read *anything* I sent you? |
| 12:49.14 | lumines | elichai2: oracles java is based on openjdk so yeah, openjdk _is_ the standard |
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| 12:49.20 | SirLagz | Walex: would using the iceweasel packages be preferred then ? |
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| 12:49.41 | Walex | SirLagz: yes, and the Debian Firefox team provides various levels of backports. |
| 12:49.56 | elichai2 | babilen: yeah i did |
| 12:50.00 | lumines | SirLagz: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 12:50.11 | zykotick9 | SirLagz: if you're looking for an updated version of iceweasel check out mozilla.debian.net as lumines just posted ;) |
| 12:50.15 | babilen | elichai2: https://jdk8.java.net/java-se-8-ri/ |
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| 12:50.27 | SirLagz | lumines: righto ! thanks |
| 12:50.29 | vagn | what does '::client::' refer to in the following? : ::client:: && puppet agent -t --pluginsync |
| 12:50.33 | elichai2 | as far as i remember make-jpkg not installing in /usr/local |
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| 12:51.14 | Walex | SirLagz: you can choose whether to install a long-term-release '.deb' or latest-and-greatest |
| 12:51.35 | elichai2 | babilen: what the diffrence between this tar.gz and oracle ones?! |
| 12:51.41 | vagn | obviously it is a check on where the script runs: but how does it work? it is not bash syntax AFAIK |
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| 12:51.56 | elichai2 | Walex: i just want version 8 one |
| 12:51.57 | babilen | elichai2: Which tar.gz? I can't recall that I linked one. |
| 12:52.12 | badass | https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=6006a30fade6 |
| 12:52.16 | elichai2 | babilen: in your link |
| 12:52.20 | elichai2 | (Downloads) |
| 12:52.21 | Walex | elichai2: I also strongly suggest to use the packaged '.deb' OpenJDK, as it fits in with a large number of Debian ready-made packages, apart from being the versions endorsed by oracle. |
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| 12:52.32 | vagn | found on: https://dsa.debian.org/howto/puppet-setup/ |
| 12:52.32 | babilen | elichai2: Check the URL |
| 12:53.04 | elichai2 | Walex: but i want version 8 |
| 12:53.07 | elichai2 | not 6/7 |
| 12:53.39 | Walex | SirLagz: elichai2: in general unless you know your way well around packages, installing well-configured '.deb' avoids a lot of sysadm trouble, because of all the dependency and conflict management built into well done packages. |
| 12:53.39 | jeremy_c_ | How safe are automatic updates? I've been guilty of waiting too long to do updates on some of my servers and wonder if this could be of a help but I fear something breaking during the update process. |
| 12:54.17 | elichai2 | Walex: ohh, i've already installed oracle-java in the past |
| 12:54.24 | Walex | jeremy_c_: if you use 'stable' archives the security updates are essentially always without issues, and can be applied automatically. |
| 12:54.34 | elichai2 | and now i want to upgrade to version 8 so i went here to check if my path is ok |
| 12:54.55 | Walex | jeremy_c_: the non-security updates can be slightly riskier, but usually the risk is pretty low. |
| 12:54.56 | elichai2 | (because all the web say's to install in /usr/local and mine is installed in /usr/lib/jvm) |
| 12:54.57 | babilen | elichai2: My recommendation to use java package (or rather make-jpkg) still stands for that scenario |
| 12:55.21 | babilen | elichai2: Maybe "the net" is not specifically talking about the most sensible way to setup things on Debian |
| 12:55.45 | jeremy_c_ | Walex: OK, thanks. I may see if I can configure the system for auto-security updates and maybe just notify me of other updates. |
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| 12:56.04 | SirLagz | Walex: I'm pretty familiar with packages, but I'd still rather a neat setup for this current rig I'm setting up |
| 12:56.07 | Walex | jeremy_c_: there is a more significant risk in auto-updates of packages from the backports archive, because versions there may jump quite a bit. |
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| 12:56.45 | jeremy_c_ | Walex: I don't use backports on my critical servers, really only on my desktops. |
| 12:56.51 | Walex | jeremy_c_: yes, it is possible to do auto-updates from the security archives, and I think it is very recommended except for special cases. |
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| 12:59.11 | Walex | jeremy_c_: for desktops autoupdate everything is not a big deal, never had a significant issue. |
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| 13:04.21 | SirLagz | why is my flash broken :( |
| 13:04.33 | petern_ | It's Flash. |
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| 13:05.07 | SirLagz | petern_: apart from that :P |
| 13:05.13 | SirLagz | flash works for somethings and not others |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | SirLagz: broken in what way? which flash are you using? |
| 13:05.31 | SirLagz | abrotman: wait never mind. It's my graphics cards playing silly buggers |
| 13:05.34 | Walex | SirLagz: there are several different Flash implementations, and all have their own quirks |
| 13:05.45 | abrotman | SirLagz: nVidia? |
| 13:05.51 | SirLagz | abrotman: yep |
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| 13:06.12 | SirLagz | works on my 8400gs, not on my 9600gt |
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| 13:06.45 | Walex | SirLagz: Adobe proprietary, Lighspark, GNASH. |
| 13:06.58 | SirLagz | Walex: using the non-free one, which I'm prety sure is Adobe |
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| 13:07.17 | pinumbernumber | hm, I tried pulling cinnamon from sid and apt-get gives a segmentation fault after downloading |
| 13:07.38 | Walex | SirLagz: if it uses OpenGL things can be a bit dodgy. |
| 13:07.40 | Nik05 | pinumbernumber are you on sid? |
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| 13:07.57 | pinumbernumber | testing, it was suggested that I could pull cinnamon from sid |
| 13:07.58 | SirLagz | Walex: yeah, maybe that's it |
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| 13:08.30 | Nik05 | pinumbernumber can you give some more information on your segmentation fault? |
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| 13:09.00 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, is there a migration path from MD RAID10 to RAID6? The mdadm man page is unfortunately not very verbose on that topic. |
| 13:09.01 | babilen | pinumbernumber: So, you are now encountering: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720466 which I mentioned earlier |
| 13:09.08 | Walex | pinumbernumber: that's what happens when you use the 'testing' archive... Now since you are an expert tester and developer you debug the issue and submit a patch to the official maintainer :-). |
| 13:09.09 | yei5foo9 | Why is debian's default DE gnome? |
| 13:09.29 | babilen | yei5foo9: Why not? And at the moment it is XFCE in testing. |
| 13:09.36 | yei5foo9 | Ah |
| 13:09.50 | yei5foo9 | So 8 will use XFCE? |
| 13:09.51 | pinumbernumber | cinnamon doesn't install, it's apt-get that segfaults |
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| 13:09.58 | Walex | petn-randall: conceivably yes, but RAID "migration" is a very bad idea in general. Much better (safer, faster) dump/reconfig/restore. |
| 13:10.04 | Nik05 | babilen are they going to stay with xfce, because didnt they say that before wheezy too? :P |
| 13:10.06 | SirLagz | Walex: nope, not glx, since glgears works across all 3 screns |
| 13:10.33 | Walex | SirLagz: that programs uses very little of the vast OpenGL API... |
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| 13:10.35 | babilen | Nik05: I have no idea and I don't really care. I am a strong supporter of the "No default desktop environment" camp. |
| 13:10.39 | elichai2 | hey |
| 13:10.44 | elichai2 | i installed oracle java |
| 13:10.55 | elichai2 | version 8 |
| 13:10.58 | SirLagz | Walex: true, but at least it means that glx is loaded on all 3 screens |
| 13:11.02 | elichai2 | but when i run 'java -version' |
| 13:11.04 | babilen | elichai2: and? |
| 13:11.04 | elichai2 | i get: |
| 13:11.08 | elichai2 | java version "1.5.0" |
| 13:11.10 | pinumbernumber | it's a VM, if that matters. Sorry for not cropping. http://i.imgur.com/ULDuMQs.png |
| 13:11.10 | elichai2 | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.7.2 |
| 13:11.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about enter |
| 13:11.23 | Walex | elichai2: 'type java' and have a look at 'update-alternatives-java' |
| 13:11.24 | elichai2 | and i can't figure out which other java version is installed |
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| 13:11.39 | babilen | elichai2: seriously! -- Did you follow the steps in https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage ? |
| 13:11.43 | petn-randall | Walex: It's our backup cluster. So if the data gets "lost", I could live with it. I just can't scrape enough disks together to backup the whole RAID before changing the RAID level. |
| 13:11.48 | yei5foo9 | elichai2, What was the problem? |
| 13:11.50 | yei5foo9 | I DCed |
| 13:11.50 | petn-randall | s/cluster/server/ |
| 13:11.56 | SirLagz | Walex: and it's just icweasel. Chrome works fine |
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| 13:12.48 | babilen | pinumbernumber: Oh, you found the apt-get segfaults bug |
| 13:12.49 | elichai2 | babilen: about the enter, it's just that i copied from terminal so it pasted as two lines |
| 13:12.49 | Walex | elichai2: also, when you install something like that in '/usr/local' you should also create an empty package to represent it using 'equivs' |
| 13:13.13 | elichai2 | it's installed in /usr/lib/jvm/ |
| 13:13.25 | babilen | elichai2: You copied "hey", "i installed oracle java", "version 8", "but then run '..." from you terminal? |
| 13:13.36 | Walex | petn-randall: theoretically there is a conversion from RAID10 to RAID0 and then one to RAID0 to RAID5/6 via RAID4. |
| 13:13.49 | babilen | elichai2: So, what does java alternatives tell you what it is using right now? |
| 13:14.02 | elichai2 | baiok, i got it sorry |
| 13:14.24 | elichai2 | bash: update-alternatives-java: command not found |
| 13:14.33 | pinumbernumber | babilen: Wow, apt-get can segfault... |
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| 13:15.20 | petn-randall | Walex: Hmm, if I take half of the disks of the RAID10 + the spare ones, I'll have enough to create it from scratch, and skip going through RAID0 and RAID4. It's probably just as safe, but less of a hassle. Thanks for the info. |
| 13:15.21 | Walex | petn-randall: but if you go that way, why don't you just break all RAID1 pairs and use the disks you recover that way to do a dump/restore. |
| 13:15.22 | babilen | elichai2: Check the name of the executable again |
| 13:15.29 | petn-randall | Walex: :) |
| 13:15.42 | babilen | elichai2: (it is update-java-alternatives) |
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| 13:16.01 | elichai2 | and i can't install it through make-jpkg No matching plugin was found. |
| 13:16.23 | elichai2 | babilen: still don't have |
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| 13:16.42 | babilen | elichai2: "it" ? |
| 13:16.48 | babilen | gives up |
| 13:17.20 | elichai2 | babilen: update-java-alternatives |
| 13:17.37 | babilen | elichai2: Why would you want to install that through make-jpkg? |
| 13:17.49 | babilen | judd: file bin/update-java-alternatives |
| 13:17.54 | judd | Search for bin/update-java-alternatives in wheezy/i386: java-common: usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives |
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| 13:18.27 | babilen | elichai2: Could you paste the output of "ls -l /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives" ? |
| 13:18.42 | elichai2 | yeah needed to run it with sudo |
| 13:18.56 | Mysterytrain | my wifi doesn't work. I put this in network/interfaces: auto wlan0 iface inet wlan0 dhcp wpa-ssid <mynetworkname> wpa-psk <my shared wpakey> the router doesn't broadcast the ssid. what could be the problem? It says something about no dhcpoffers when i go ifup wlan0 |
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| 13:19.39 | babilen | elichai2: That shouldn't be necessary. I'd recommend to adjust your PATH or call it using its full path. So, what does "update-java-alternatives -l" give you? |
| 13:20.00 | elichai2 | j2sdk1.7-oracle 317 /usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.7-oracle |
| 13:20.01 | elichai2 | java-gcj-4.7 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj-4.7 |
| 13:20.11 | elichai2 | but not shows my new java's |
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| 13:21.14 | elichai2 | i will try using a guide to manually install java :( |
| 13:21.17 | babilen | elichai2: Mind pasting all your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:21.23 | babilen | elichai2: Which guide? |
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| 13:21.32 | elichai2 | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-manually-install-oracle-java-on-a-debian-or-ubuntu-vps |
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| 13:22.14 | babilen | elichai2: What does that have to do with what I've asked you to do? |
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| 13:24.52 | elichai2 | forget about it, i think i fixed it |
| 13:25.00 | elichai2 | if i install jdk i neet jre too? |
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| 13:26.31 | babilen | elichai2: Forget about what? How did you fix it now? Are you using java package/make-jpkg as suggested a multiple times now? |
| 13:26.54 | elichai2 | and/redraw |
| 13:27.02 | elichai2 | ops |
| 13:27.15 | elichai2 | no, ,i just run this commands: |
| 13:27.22 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 13:27.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:28.16 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/sVQrcKxG |
| 13:28.21 | babilen | elichai2: But it's okay. You obviously decided to not follow advice given by me and I am left guessing as to what you actually did. I really have no inclination of continuing that. |
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| 13:31.21 | yei5foo9 | Mysterytrain, Why not use NetworkManager? |
| 13:32.27 | Mysterytrain | yei5foo9: no desktop |
| 13:32.33 | yei5foo9 | ah |
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| 13:38.46 | colo-work | does debian's default install contain a directorythat's guaranteed (per packaging policy) to be empty? |
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| 13:41.02 | themill | colo-work: sure |
| 13:41.28 | colo-work | themill, which one? |
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| 13:43.15 | themill | colo-work: several under /usr/local, /opt, /srv |
| 13:44.29 | colo-work | themill, ah, I hadn't thought of these. I was thinking of a directory that was also NOT intended as a target for site-wide/site-policy-specific content. like, say, something like /var/empty/ ... |
| 13:44.49 | themill | what are you really trying to do? |
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| 13:45.06 | babilen | is tempted to mention /dev/null |
| 13:45.41 | themill | [ -d /dev/null ] || echo "/dev/null is not a directory" |
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| 13:47.15 | babilen | themill: It wasn't meant as a sensible/correct suggestion, but just a play on "empty". I accept your correction to remind me to properly indicate attempted humour in the future ;) |
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| 13:49.18 | themill | ;) |
| 13:50.29 | babilen | colo-work: Don't let us hang! What are you trying to do? |
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| 13:51.30 | petn-randall | if ( user == "babilen" ): goto fail |
| 13:52.11 | petn-randall | Just found that in dpkg's humour function. |
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| 13:52.56 | colo-work | babilen, themill: I'd like the default vhost of my webserver's config template (which is just a safeguard so that no other included vhost config may become the "default" vhost instead) to use a docroot directory that is present on a vanilla install, and contains nothing at all. |
| 13:53.06 | colo-work | (sorry, I'm busy on the side, as usual :)) |
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| 14:01.35 | finga | how do i setup an encrypted debian without having the installer writing random over the whole hdd again? |
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| 14:02.57 | spyder | how to get list of packages installed on a specific date? |
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| 14:04.52 | echfiv | how can I instruct apt-get or aptitude to remove from /var/cache/apt/archive either all packages which are not installed on the system, or, alternatively, all packages which are not the newest version in the repo? |
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| 14:05.18 | nkuttler | echfiv: apt-get has (auto)clean |
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| 14:05.54 | echfiv | nkuttler: that's not what I am looking for |
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| 14:06.33 | spyder | how to get list of installed packages with their install date |
| 14:06.52 | nkuttler | echfiv: how so? |
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| 14:07.05 | nkuttler | autoclean will remove anything that's outdated |
| 14:07.44 | echfiv | nkuttler: ah okay... the manpage says it deletes only those packages which are no longer in the repo, but a package being outdated can still reside with newer packages on the repo, doesn't it? |
| 14:08.13 | nkuttler | echfiv: ah.. well, i think not, but now i'm not so sure any more :) |
| 14:08.28 | nkuttler | echfiv: works on testing/sid afaik, and i think for stable as well |
| 14:09.22 | nkuttler | echfiv: i think old packages are dropped from the repos, maybe to not some stable packages though where there are security updates |
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| 14:10.41 | nkuttler | yeah, stable packages with security updates stay |
| 14:10.49 | petn-randall | spyder: Look in /var/log/apt/history.log for what was installed when. |
| 14:11.11 | echfiv | nkuttler: okay, in this particular case it indeed did remove all the packages it should remove. But I don't want to rely on all repos always removing packages immediately when new versions arrive |
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| 14:11.31 | nkuttler | echfiv: all repos? |
| 14:11.46 | echfiv | nkuttler: yes |
| 14:11.57 | nkuttler | repos are automated |
| 14:12.05 | elichai2 | hey |
| 14:12.07 | elichai2 | i need somehelp with pipe |
| 14:12.11 | elichai2 | i want to do "ls | unzip" |
| 14:12.12 | nkuttler | echfiv: so unless you use broken third party repos i don't think anything can go wrong |
| 14:12.19 | elichai2 | but i don't know what i need to add after unzip |
| 14:12.27 | nkuttler | elichai2: er, what would that do? |
| 14:12.39 | echfiv | nkuttler: don't have always to be official repos. On my host system I use only official repos, but not in VMs and the like |
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| 14:12.48 | elichai2 | i want to unzip all the zip files under the current dir |
| 14:12.53 | elichai2 | so i thought i can use pipe |
| 14:12.53 | nkuttler | echfiv: well, can't help you with that |
| 14:12.55 | petn-randall | elichai2: More importantly, what are you trying to achieve? The commands you gave us didn't make any sense. |
| 14:13.09 | nullA_ | elichai2: unzip * |
| 14:13.11 | nkuttler | elichai2: use a for loop |
| 14:13.15 | nkuttler | or, yeah, that |
| 14:13.15 | echfiv | nkuttler: thanks anyway for telling me that autoclean in most cases should do the job for me |
| 14:13.39 | nkuttler | elichai2: or find with -exec, or xargs |
| 14:13.48 | elichai2 | nullA_: that's dosen't work |
| 14:14.03 | nullA_ | elichai2: why ? what error ? |
| 14:14.08 | petn-randall | Installing the security updates for openjdk-6 just freed 30 MB in disk space. Nothing in the changelogs, I find this rather suspicious. |
| 14:14.10 | nkuttler | elichai2: for generic help with bash try #bash |
| 14:14.37 | nkuttler | petn-randall: file a wishlist bug for docs? |
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| 14:14.49 | elichai2 | dosen't matter fixed it by running 'unzip '*.zip'' |
| 14:14.52 | elichai2 | thx |
| 14:15.10 | nullA_ | mmmkay |
| 14:15.15 | spyder | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 14:16.03 | finga | i'm in the tui debian installer + console, how can i open a encrypted lvm partition? |
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| 14:19.30 | SirLagz | anyone played much with OCR ? I'm thinking about getting some OCR stuff setup |
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| 14:22.42 | phillyj | hi, this {global} system bell is driving me crazy. I managed to get rid of it in terminal, but not in firefox, etc. I think i got it to stop in GNOME but can't figure out why it does it in i3 |
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| 14:23.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell phillyj -about bell |
| 14:23.15 | Walex | SirLagz: that's a "poll" question :-( |
| 14:23.40 | Walex | SirLagz: perhaps looking at 'apt-cache search ocr' would be a start... |
| 14:23.57 | Walex | phillyj: 'man xset' perhaps |
| 14:24.42 | saivert | It is only there to tell you to stop pressing backspace in empty text boxes. :) |
| 14:25.02 | phillyj | babilen: i read of this but didn't try because I wasn't sure if it was a permanent fix. Do I have to do this every time I start debian? |
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| 14:27.21 | SirLagz | Walex: I'm looking for peoples experiences |
| 14:27.57 | echfiv | phillyj: yes, you have to. But you can automate it by putting the commands into ~/.profile and/or ~/.bashrc, respectively |
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| 14:28.30 | Walex | SirLagz: then ask a specific question ;-) |
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| 14:29.04 | SirLagz | lol. Ok then. Anyone have any experiences with OCR on Debian ? |
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| 14:30.08 | spyder | i have a gsm modem which connected perfectly before but now refuses to connect with the Internet is there any way to delete any of its config present in my debian system? |
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| 14:30.54 | petn-randall | spyder: Sure, but it won't necessarily help you with your problem. It's better to debug it and fix what's wrong. |
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| 14:32.15 | spyder | petn-randall: on windows system it is working correctly and connects to the internet without any problem |
| 14:32.30 | gentwo | babilen: installing the driver nvidia now |
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| 14:33.07 | echfiv | I just upgraded all these qemu-packages in wheezy. Now seamless mouse integration does not work anymore, like it did before... mouse is jailed in the VM until ctrl+alt is pressed |
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| 14:33.30 | macrobat | I'd like to let users shutdown from the xfce-panel. what do I need? |
| 14:33.41 | petn-randall | spyder: How are you connecting now (specifically, what commands/tools are you running for that?), and how did you connect before? Are there any error messages in /var/log/daemon.log or kern.log that hint to what could be broken? |
| 14:33.59 | gentwo | is this nvidia non free installing 331. version?? |
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| 14:34.08 | babilen | gentwo: No |
| 14:34.15 | babilen | gentwo: Which release are you on again? |
| 14:34.25 | echfiv | macrobat: right-click on panel --> Add New Items --> Action Buttons |
| 14:34.36 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:34.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 331.49-1; sid/non-free: 331.67-1; experimental/non-free: 334.21-1 |
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| 14:34.41 | babilen | gentwo: ^^^ |
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| 14:34.48 | gentwo | babilen: i am on the jesse |
| 14:34.56 | babilen | *jessie |
| 14:35.01 | ndak | hi i get stucked. during this installation https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts <- I gets [FAIL] Reloading web server config: apache2 failed! AFTER running "sudo service apache2 restart" why? |
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| 14:35.08 | gabriel | ciao |
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| 14:35.10 | gabriel | hi |
| 14:35.12 | gentwo | babilen: i am just doing the apt-get install nvidia-driver now... |
| 14:35.32 | gentwo | babilen: is that something i am doing wrong? |
| 14:35.33 | gabriel | how can i manage Self encryption drives in debian? |
| 14:35.49 | gabriel | i have a samsung 840 evo |
| 14:35.50 | SirLagz | installing the nvidia driver via apt-get was so much more painful than installing it from the Nvidia provided installer =/ |
| 14:35.52 | macrobat | echfiv: I have an action button, it won't let me shutdown, just log out |
| 14:35.56 | petn-randall | ndak: What is the full error message you get? What error do you get if you run 'apache2ctl -t'? If you want to share any output, you can paste it to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 14:36.28 | babilen | gentwo: Yes, please follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (adapt them (where necessary, if at all) for jessie) |
| 14:36.46 | babilen | SirLagz: How so? |
| 14:36.48 | petn-randall | SirLagz: Is it so? At least you can cleanly remove the package, you can't do that with the installer version ... |
| 14:36.49 | gentwo | babilen: but there is nothing written for jessie.. |
| 14:36.57 | ndak | petn-randall: Invalid command 'SeverName', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 14:37.25 | SirLagz | petn-randall: that is true, though I'd have no reason to remove the driver after I install it |
| 14:37.26 | petn-randall | ndak: Fix your config, it should be "ServerName". |
| 14:37.30 | babilen | gentwo: Yes, you should be able to more or less follow the instructions for wheezy and we also expect users who track a development release to be familiar enough with Debian to adjust examples like that |
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| 14:37.35 | SirLagz | babilen: so many more dependencies when I apt-getted it |
| 14:37.42 | petn-randall | SirLagz: What about dist-upgrades? That's where it'll get painful. |
| 14:37.44 | ndak | petn-randall: the conf for the new virtualhost? |
| 14:37.45 | babilen | SirLagz: How is that a problem? |
| 14:37.49 | gentwo | babilen: i have a issue here.. at the end of the installation its says conflict with nouveau currently loaded... easiest way to fix is reboot the machine once installation has finished.. |
| 14:37.57 | ndak | petn-randall: i use SeverName example.com as it says to do. |
| 14:37.59 | babilen | gentwo: When you do what? |
| 14:38.00 | SirLagz | petn-randall: worked fine for me in the past |
| 14:38.15 | spyder | petn-randall: it was all automatic just made a connection in the network manager where the modem showed up |
| 14:38.15 | SirLagz | babilen: installing one then didn't automatically tell me that I needed other things |
| 14:38.21 | SirLagz | one thing* |
| 14:38.24 | babilen | gentwo: Could you paste your command along with its output in its entirety to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL? |
| 14:38.26 | Minnebo_ | anyone familiar with avantfax? |
| 14:38.28 | macrobat | at the moment, I let users shut down with gksudo /sbin/halt . It could be more convenient |
| 14:38.35 | SirLagz | babilen: I was trying to use the legacy drivers and i just couldn't get it working properly |
| 14:39.14 | Minnebo_ | Do I have to make seperate users or can I just make one user in avantfax and let everyone connect with those creds? |
| 14:39.16 | macrobat | I think the old debian used consolekit or polkit to shut down |
| 14:39.22 | babilen | SirLagz: Well, there is little we can do about that now. My impression is that using the Debian pacakges is a *lot* easier than trying to keep a system running with the nvidia installer |
| 14:39.38 | gentwo | babilen: that was a pop up at the end of installation... i have pressed OK now another pop up saying need manual configuration to enable NVIDIA driver... it need to enabled in Xorg.conf before it can used... |
| 14:39.53 | babilen | gentwo: How did you install? |
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| 14:40.06 | gentwo | babilen: apt-get install nvidia-driver |
| 14:40.12 | SirLagz | babilen: the one advantage (that I assume the packaged drivers have) is that the packaged drivers probably take into account kernel changes whereas the Nvidia provided ones don't |
| 14:40.30 | SirLagz | i've run into that before |
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| 14:40.56 | gentwo | SirLagz: are you saying you have been through this situation? |
| 14:41.16 | petn-randall | ndak: "ServerName", not "SeverName". It's also spelled correctly in the howto. Also, don't literally use "example.com" unless you own that domain ;) |
| 14:41.17 | babilen | gentwo: Didn't I explicitly ask you to use the method in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? Why is nobody listening! But well, okay ... make sure to configure it as detailed in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration and reboot to enable the nouveau blacklist |
| 14:41.23 | SirLagz | with Nvidia provided drivers, though that was on sid rather than stable. On Stable, in my experience, I've had less issues with nVidia's drivers than packaged drivers. Though that's just me. |
| 14:41.44 | SirLagz | gentwo: yes I have. |
| 14:42.04 | babilen | gentwo: Adn i want to mention once again that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next rather than #debian (on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 14:42.52 | SirLagz | babilen: out of curiosity - not arguing about whether unstable/testing should be supported here - but why isn't testing/unstable supported here ? The majority of things are the same between stable and testing/unstable |
| 14:43.27 | idstam | How do I do ^] on a swedish keyboard? (Telnet tells me it's the escape character.) |
| 14:43.44 | petern_ | Ctrl-] |
| 14:44.00 | spyder | petn-randall: here is the messages from daemon.log http://bpaste.net/show/ZbQNDTW9rWCPGI7miEuy/ |
| 14:44.22 | idstam | but ] is AltGr + 9 |
| 14:44.41 | petn-randall | idstam: ctrl + AltGr + 9? |
| 14:44.41 | petern_ | Ctrl AltGr 9? |
| 14:45.06 | babilen | SirLagz: Because a lot of the problems are very specific to testing/unstable. #debian-next is also populated by more DDs/DMs and testing/unstable comes with its very own set of assumptions, ... |
| 14:45.07 | idstam | nope. that gives only a ] |
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| 14:45.36 | petn-randall | spyder: So it's connected via USB. Do you get any messages in /var/log/kern.log when you connect the phone? |
| 14:45.44 | SirLagz | babilen: ahh I see |
| 14:45.57 | SirLagz | babilen: makes sense |
| 14:46.05 | spyder | petn-randall: it not a phone its a datacard |
| 14:46.32 | petn-randall | spyder: I see. Just imagine I wrote "datacard" instead of phone then. :) |
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| 14:47.25 | gentwo | babilen: right! the stable version wheezy being downloaded... |
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| 14:47.45 | babilen | gentwo: You've lost me on that one |
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| 14:48.02 | spyder | petn-randall: http://bpaste.net/show/rhUCxGUOCHDS5zDYRQTk/ |
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| 14:48.23 | gentwo | its dark now.. after using the nvidia-xconfig .. i am screwed\ |
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| 14:49.15 | babilen | gentwo: Who told you to use nvidia-xconfig? I asked you to follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
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| 14:50.33 | petn-randall | spyder: Ah, can it be possible that you see the datacard as a mass storage device in your file manager? |
| 14:51.38 | petn-randall | spyder: Can you check with 'dpkg -l usb-modeswitch' if it is installed? |
| 14:52.07 | orbisvicis | I'd like to file a bug against bridge-utils (race condition), anyone know where upstream is ? |
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| 14:52.41 | spyder | petn-randall: dpkg-query: no packages found matching usb-modswitch |
| 14:52.53 | babilen | spyder: +spelling ;) |
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| 14:53.26 | gentwo | babilen: removed that xorg.conf file and now created as describe the page u sent me... i didn't see that line you sent me earlier.. my mistake |
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| 14:53.57 | spyder | petn-randall: No the datacard is not there as mass storage device |
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| 14:54.05 | spyder | babilen: sorry my bad |
| 14:54.11 | spyder | petn-randall: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 14:54.13 | spyder | | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 14:54.15 | spyder | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 14:54.18 | spyder | ||/ Name Version Architecture Description |
| 14:54.19 | spyder | +++-==================-==============-==============-========================================== |
| 14:54.21 | spyder | ii usb-modeswitch 1.2.3+repack0- amd64 mode switching tool for controlling "flip |
| 14:54.29 | gentwo | babilen: still dark... x won't start |
| 14:54.36 | gentwo | i think i screw up royally again |
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| 14:55.37 | babilen | gentwo: did you reboot? Did you remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file created by nvidia-xconfig and did you create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file? |
| 14:55.50 | gentwo | babilen: i did |
| 14:55.52 | gabriel | how can i use lvm encryption with an ssd? |
| 14:56.09 | babilen | gentwo: All of these things? |
| 14:56.26 | babilen | gabriel: You just do. There is nothing special you have to do. |
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| 14:57.20 | gabriel | babilen, can i just set the discard option? it is not a security leak? |
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| 14:58.19 | gentwo | babilen: yes.. all of it.. the blacklist part do i have to do manually? |
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| 15:00.39 | blaubarschbube | hi. after an upgrade from debian 6 to 7 i have duplicate installations of postgresql (version 8.4 and 9.1). this causes my bacula-director to fail starting. how can i get rid of that? |
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| 15:00.56 | blaubarschbube | root@storage:~# /usr/sbin/bacula-dir -d 100 |
| 15:00.56 | blaubarschbube | bacula-dir: dird.c:185-0 Debug level = 100 |
| 15:00.56 | blaubarschbube | bacula-dir: jcr.c:140-0 read_last_jobs seek to 192 |
| 15:00.56 | blaubarschbube | bacula-dir: jcr.c:147-0 Read num_items=10 |
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| 15:02.14 | blaubarschbube | sry for flooding :( |
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| 15:04.32 | julius_ | hi |
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| 15:05.04 | julius_ | does somebody know a "script" that installs oracle xe in wheezy and cleans up all the crap oracle wants? |
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| 15:06.21 | yei5foo9 | blubberdiblub, why not do a clean reinstall? |
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| 15:06.52 | MrNaz | when configuring vhosts in apache2, i am used to having all the vhosts defined ina single file, vhosts.conf but in debian it looks like each vhosts needs its own config file. Is this the case? |
| 15:07.28 | stmiller | Put each it its own file. Then you can selectively enable or disable a site. |
| 15:08.09 | stmiller | man a2ensite |
| 15:08.26 | stmiller | sudo a2ensite example.com.conf |
| 15:08.44 | lroe | I'm looking to see how viable it is to implement a quota on a directory. The FS is ext4, all of the documentation I have seen just creates a new partition. The problem is, I 'm dealing with an already-deployed serve with a single partition and not a lot of space. I'd like to put a 'quota' on /var/log/ to prevent it from eating the whole disk if something goes awry |
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| 15:08.51 | stmiller | Will for instance setup the sym link to 'enable' that site. And a2dissite example.com.conf to likewise disable (remove the symlink). |
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| 15:09.18 | MrNaz | stmiller yeap... i'll never need to do that, but i'll bite the bullet and do it. i'm migrating from an existing install that just has them all defined in one file |
| 15:09.39 | gentwo | babilen: i will try with wheezy |
| 15:10.05 | Walex | lroe: one horrifying way to quoa-ify a directory is to create a file of the right size, loop it, format it as a fileystem, and mount it on the directory. |
| 15:10.15 | lroe | oy |
| 15:10.47 | lroe | there has to be better way to ensure /var/log/doesn't eat the disk |
| 15:11.30 | Walex | lroe: there are file-systems with per-directory quotas otherwise. |
| 15:11.56 | Walex | lroe: BTW the "nested filesystem" trick above is essentially what DM/LVM2 "logical volumes" do. |
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| 15:18.00 | Konomi | can anyone off the top of their head tell me if jessie alpha 1 netinst supports wifi or will so in the future for the network? |
| 15:18.26 | lapache | Hello, is there an automated script on wheezy/gridengine for set up a cluster ? |
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| 15:24.16 | spyder | petn-randall: have you seen it? |
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| 15:36.24 | acu | hello, I have seen that Debian 7.5 was released, however for OpenSSL only 1e is available ? I thought that does not cover the glitch, it should be 1.00g |
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| 15:37.13 | acu | jessie 1.0.1g openssl wheezy 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7 |
| 15:37.55 | themill | acu: /topic |
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| 15:41.14 | acu | https://www.openssl.org/ that is where I read, about g |
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| 15:43.07 | acu | I see, so for wheezy is fixed in e |
| 15:43.28 | spyder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.26 | roelj | Is there a way to force a USB device to be treated as a USB mouse? (by default it's seen as a storage device..) |
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| 15:48.16 | petn-randall | spyder: Hmm, I was hoping that was the issue, sorry. I'll be back in 30 mins, then I we can continue debugging. |
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| 15:50.56 | mwallacesd | Hi there, how can I see the Apache and PHP version at the Debian 7? |
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| 15:52.46 | mtn | mwallacesd: http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:53.10 | axisys | dpkg --get-selections always print the pkgs in right order? |
| 15:53.10 | dpkg | selects axisys's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
| 15:53.35 | axisys | does dpkg --get-selections always print the pkgs in right order? |
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| 15:53.55 | mwallacesd | installed pakage mtn, it was already installed |
| 15:54.18 | mwallacesd | There is a quick way, like uname -a |
| 15:54.19 | mtn | mwallacesd: man aptitude, or use synaptic if you like gui |
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| 15:54.50 | mtn | mwallacesd: I guess, man dpkg is better :P |
| 15:54.52 | mwallacesd | thanks mtn it will help me |
| 15:55.14 | mwallacesd | See you guys. |
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| 16:00.23 | wonko | ugh, why don't debian7/ubuntu14 want to play nice with IPv6? |
| 16:00.38 | wonko | they don't ever seem to pick up proper default routes |
| 16:00.40 | A-796 | works fine for me |
| 16:00.42 | wonko | so can't get to the internet |
| 16:00.48 | wonko | but can get to all local resources |
| 16:01.06 | A-796 | did you add a rouet? |
| 16:01.07 | A-796 | or route |
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| 16:01.30 | wonko | No, but it should be picking this up via advertisement |
| 16:01.39 | wonko | which for whatever reason it isn't |
| 16:01.48 | wonko | Solaris and Mint both have picked up the route just fine |
| 16:01.55 | wonko | so i'm obviously missing something |
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| 16:03.01 | A-796 | does it work if you manually add the route/ |
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| 16:04.07 | A-796 | ip -6 route add default via {gateway} dev {interface} |
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| 16:04.43 | nyuszika7h | er |
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| 16:07.40 | wonko | root@liam:~# ip -6 route add default via 2001:470:88CE:2::1 dev eth0 |
| 16:07.40 | wonko | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 16:08.03 | wonko | the route table already has: 2001:470:88ce:2::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 expires 2591911sec |
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| 16:08.24 | wonko | oh wait, that's not the one its clashing with |
| 16:08.27 | wonko | it has this: default via fe80::222:bdff:fe16:2942 dev eth0 proto ra metric 1024 expires 1711sec |
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| 16:08.43 | wonko | it's using link-local for default route |
| 16:09.09 | wonko | but mint gets two default route entries with slightly different flags |
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| 16:09.50 | orzo | anyone here use debian on a router? |
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| 16:10.21 | orzo | i use openwrt and i'm wishing it was debian instead |
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| 16:10.42 | orzo | it has a usb port and is likely capable |
| 16:10.46 | jelly | orzo: openwrt is useful in limited-storage environments |
| 16:11.10 | jelly | also, dpkg and apt fail to work well with <64-128MB RAM |
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| 16:12.11 | orzo | hm |
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| 16:12.43 | wonko | orzo: if debian won't work, give vyatta a look. So far I don't hate it. |
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| 16:14.06 | orzo | wonko: thanks for the tip, ill google that |
| 16:14.08 | A-796 | pfsense is a good option also |
| 16:14.25 | A-796 | wonko: do you have forwarding enabled for ipv6? |
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| 16:15.25 | wonko | A-796: no, this isn't a router, just an end node |
| 16:16.25 | wonko | hmm doing some more googling I keep seeing "if your internet is slow with debian disable IPv6" |
| 16:16.28 | wonko | that's not promising. :) |
| 16:16.32 | mingtsay | there are more people use IPv6 ? |
| 16:16.49 | wonko | at least 3 or 4. :) |
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| 16:17.43 | stmiller | orzo I use debian wheezy as a home router. IPv4 and IPv6 (he.net) tunnel |
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| 16:18.10 | wonko | stmiller: do you do SLAAC at all? Or do you do DHCP6? |
| 16:18.50 | stmiller | I use radvd to announce ipv6 internally, then clients get v6 addresses |
| 16:18.59 | stmiller | No dhcp6 |
| 16:19.30 | orzo | stmiller: on a router device? I have about 40megs of ram and jelly said that apt/dpkg do not work well with that |
| 16:19.35 | mingtsay | I am consider if I need DHCPv6 for PTR resolving or not? |
| 16:19.47 | mingtsay | do I really need PTR? |
| 16:19.55 | stmiller | Here is my /etc/radvd.conf http://fpaste.org/97499/ |
| 16:20.13 | stmiller | eth1 is the internal NIC so it broadcasts out v6 RAs internally |
| 16:20.25 | wonko | stmiller: well, my cisco gear does the advertising |
| 16:20.47 | wonko | stmiller: I seem to be getting stumped on end nodes not getting default routes via RA properly for some reason |
| 16:21.04 | mingtsay | stmiller: so do your clients get 2001:470:8:950::/64 addresses? |
| 16:21.11 | stmiller | yes |
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| 16:21.23 | jelly | orzo: righto, forget about using those (or install packages on a different machine in a chroot... and qemu maybe) |
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| 16:22.09 | mingtsay | stmiller: do you think I need AAAA and PTR for my IPv6 addresses or not? |
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| 16:22.38 | wonko | mingtsay: it's no different than IPv4. Do you *need* them? No. But having them sure is helpful. |
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| 16:22.43 | stmiller | mingtsay no. Only if you are sending mail or hosting websites |
| 16:23.05 | mingtsay | stmiller: I configured my IPv4 as static internal addresses (192.168.0.0/16) and it is fun to set A and PTR for them |
| 16:23.18 | mingtsay | so I am consider if I can do that with IPv6 |
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| 16:24.55 | wonko | mingtsay: you can, and should (if you ask me, but I'm a DNS nazi) |
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| 16:25.17 | wonko | you may want to find a tool or some scripts to assist with generating the PTR zones though |
| 16:25.26 | wonko | they can be a big obnoxious to hand create |
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| 16:25.41 | wonko | s/big/bit/ |
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| 16:26.40 | mingtsay | wonko: if I use static IPv6, it will and must be easier to do so. but I'm tired of asking my clients' DUIDs |
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| 16:29.32 | wonko | mingtsay: maybe some sort of dynamic dns is in order. Have them register their IP with the DNS server. Then you don't need to mess with any of that. |
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| 17:07.22 | nkuttler | anybody noticed that mplayer just doesn't exit any more? see it with movies and audio files |
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| 17:07.45 | nkuttler | hrm, mplayer2.. maybe i should get rid of that.. |
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| 17:09.05 | kruug | Is there a way to tell if my computer needs to reboot after performing an update? |
| 17:09.55 | somiaj | kruug: by update if you mean upgrade, it should only matter if your kernel got upgraded. The services should be restarted automatically when they are upgraded |
| 17:10.10 | somiaj | kruug: you can compare the kernel form uname -a (running kernel) to the one you have installed, dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 17:10.46 | somiaj | with 7.5 and the recent DSA kernel upgrade i would imangine you want to reboot |
| 17:10.51 | nkuttler | actually, there is a command that checks for changed libs, but i can't remember it |
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| 17:11.07 | somiaj | in that case wouldn't you just need to restart the services? |
| 17:11.16 | nkuttler | sure |
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| 17:11.21 | somiaj | but yea I forgot libs can get upgraded with out informing the services to restart |
| 17:12.31 | nkuttler | i know i used it around the heartbleed stuff, but it's not in my history any more either |
| 17:12.52 | kruug | somiaj: I have three linux-image's listed |
| 17:13.33 | kruug | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/96241/ |
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| 17:15.05 | kruug | uname -a matches the top one in that list |
| 17:15.54 | tensorpudding | Where is the proper place to put environment variables to be read by my user's GNOME session? |
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| 17:17.57 | somiaj | kruug: yea the backported kernel didn't get upgraded in this process so you shoudl be fine. |
| 17:18.33 | kruug | somiaj: what are the other two kernal images? |
| 17:18.46 | kruug | is there a way to know if I need to keep them? |
| 17:18.49 | nkuttler | tensorpudding: how is gnome started? |
| 17:18.59 | somiaj | tensorpudding: I think it depends on how you start GNOME, $HOME/.xsession seems to be a good place if you use that to launch GNOME, else you may have to modify the session file in /etc/X11 for gnome |
| 17:19.30 | somiaj | kruug: you actually only have 2 kernel images. the 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 is the defaul wheezy kernel. YOu don't really need it but I don't htink it hurts things to keep it around as a backup |
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| 17:19.58 | kruug | somiaj: gotcha. Thanks! |
| 17:20.02 | somiaj | kruug: the last one isn't a kernel image, but a meta package. linux-image-amd64 will always point to the newest kernel in wheezy-backports. So when 3.14 kernel comes out that package will upgrade and automatically pull in the 3.14 kernel |
| 17:20.43 | somiaj | kruug: but once that happens the 3.13 kernel will still be around. Once you test you can boot and run the 3.14 kernel with no problems, I would suggest removing that one |
| 17:20.49 | somiaj | kruug: this is some unkown time in the future |
| 17:21.15 | kruug | gotcha |
| 17:21.16 | saivert | yes. well 3.14 isn't in sid yet. experimental only |
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| 17:21.30 | somiaj | yea it will be a month or more, just saying what will happen |
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| 17:21.38 | saivert | dunno what kernel next debian will be using as base |
| 17:22.01 | somiaj | saivert: most likely9 what ever is in jessie this november when the freeze should happen |
| 17:22.18 | somiaj | saivert: though I'm sure there is some discussion with the kernel team (and other distros) what version to have lts on |
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| 17:26.20 | Tau | hello |
| 17:26.21 | Tau | i need a nice wm |
| 17:26.23 | Tau | that is not gnome nor kde |
| 17:26.38 | Tau | i need something that i can use my keyboard 99% of time. |
| 17:27.01 | somiaj | Tau: you did leave #fvwm before I could answer last time, but decide that was not for you? |
| 17:27.25 | somiaj | Tau: ratposion is a popular one if you like the gnu app screen. Very minimial and almost all about the keyboard, xmonad is nice if you like a tilling window manager. |
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| 17:34.48 | f0xmuld3r | Hello there! =] I created the file .Xdefaults with this content: ttp://pastebin.com/kSAdsdtL after that I do $ xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 17:35.04 | f0xmuld3r | The system returned this: |
| 17:35.18 | f0xmuld3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.26 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.35 | f0xmuld3r | But I cannot do copy past at xterm |
| 17:35.45 | Tau | i will try ratposion and xmonad. |
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| 17:36.12 | somiaj | Tau: it does take a bit to learn how to configure, if you ever want help with it I can help in #fvwm |
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| 17:36.30 | somiaj | Tau: though best bet is find a config you like out there (I don't think debian's default is a good starting point) and start modifying it |
| 17:36.34 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.52 | somiaj | Tau: I am on my way to work, but am usually checking messages so if you are paitent I can help ya |
| 17:36.59 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.12 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.49 | f0xmuld3r | !x |
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| 17:44.14 | centrx | So the dpkg security flaw would allow a maliciously formed package to write files anywhere on the filesystem? |
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| 17:45.51 | somiaj | centrx: it seems only source packages, but yes |
| 17:46.05 | somiaj | at least that is how I read the DSA |
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| 17:46.20 | centrx | Only source packages too |
| 17:47.50 | somiaj | centrx: lucky for me my habbits are not to install source packages as root. (: |
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| 17:48.50 | centrx | ah, true, good practice obviates yet another security vulnerability |
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| 18:09.23 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.29 | Cpuroast | is it me, or did a debian 5.6 config option sneak it's way into a recent debian 5.5 package update on Debian 7? |
| 18:09.47 | Guest80070 | Hi. I am running stable but I want to install e-uae so I added sid repo and set preferred to stable. During install apt spills errors about outdated libs and I was wandering does this happens because the stable repo has higher priority and apt is searching for dependencies in 'wrong' repo? |
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| 18:10.04 | Cpuroast | MySQL 5.6 |
| 18:10.05 | Cpuroast | I mean |
| 18:10.11 | centrx | Guest80070, Don't install unstable packages on stable |
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| 18:10.30 | centrx | Guest80070, Generally, the unstable package will bring in all sorts of dependencies and you will find you have upgraded half your system to unstable |
| 18:10.35 | centrx | Guest80070, Also change your nick |
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| 18:11.16 | centrx | Cpuroast, I don't know about this issue specifically, but most updates to stable are backported, so that could happen |
| 18:11.20 | Guest80070 | centrx, thanks I won't go that road then, but just out of curiosity can you answer my question? |
| 18:11.59 | Cpuroast | centrx: the config option was introduced in 5.6 and prevents 5.5 from launching |
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| 18:12.01 | Cpuroast | :) |
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| 18:12.25 | centrx | Guest80070, Yes, the unstable package requires newer dependencies, but your apt policy specifies using the stable versions of the packages. |
| 18:12.32 | centrx | dpkg, tell Guest80070 about ssb |
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| 18:14.59 | Guest80070 | centrx, thanks. That's a grate help. One more thing: how do I change this behaviour ? I won't, but assuming I would like to set dependencies from chosen sid packages to be treated with priority? |
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| 18:15.39 | centrx | Guest80070, Change the pinning, or don't use pinning |
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| 18:16.11 | centrx | Guest80070, But unless you are careful, you will undoubtedly end up with a half-unstable frankendebian system |
| 18:16.27 | centrx | Guest80070, That may be unavoidable for any package whatsoever at this stage in the release cycle |
| 18:16.51 | centrx | Guest80070, Thus, you would want to upgrade your entire system to unstable, but stable + backports or testing may be a better option. |
| 18:17.13 | centrx | Guest80070, or source-backports, as described by the bot |
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| 18:20.10 | Diddi- | Hi! Is it possible to pass custom variables to a preseed file using the append line when PXE booting? I'd like to be able, during PXE booting, to pass variables on the command line that should later be used by the preseed/late_command |
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| 18:27.38 | Cpuroast | centrx: normally packages default to keeping the existing config file right? |
| 18:28.21 | centrx | Cpuroast, Some configs update... |
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| 18:35.37 | nkuttler | Cpuroast: yes |
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| 18:35.47 | nkuttler | Cpuroast: until you upgrade to a new release at least |
| 18:36.06 | Cpuroast | odd |
| 18:36.23 | Cpuroast | guess there was a screw up in the debian package |
| 18:36.33 | Cpuroast | it had renamed the original |
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| 18:36.46 | someone13 | hey |
| 18:36.49 | Cpuroast | and replaced it with a new default |
| 18:37.03 | someone13 | I'm a windows guy. I have this debian VM that i need to get some files from to a windows machine |
| 18:37.07 | someone13 | how can i do that |
| 18:37.14 | Cpuroast | Filezilla |
| 18:37.16 | Cpuroast | and SFTP |
| 18:37.20 | Cpuroast | over the SSH port |
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| 18:42.51 | someone13 | i dontk now how to even set up the ip |
| 18:42.53 | someone13 | for that OS |
| 18:43.18 | someone13 | or how to allow ssh |
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| 18:45.49 | arcke | someone13: the command man ip-address can tell you about configuring |
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| 18:47.20 | arcke | someone13: better yet, the wiki on networkconfiguration https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 18:50.27 | someone13 | thanks |
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| 18:59.41 | carandraug | hi! I am trying to wakeonlan a machine and it works fine when I'm on a system that is actually on the network. However, If I'm connected by VPN it fails. Is it possible to check what may be wrong? Could port 9 be blocked by VPN? |
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| 19:24.51 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 19:27.57 | Azrael_- | i try to use pure-ftpd with a db in the backend but i always just get "authentication failed" right after DEBUG] Command [pass] [<*>]. how can i debug it further? |
| 19:28.04 | Azrael_- | the password encryption is crypt |
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| 20:05.41 | TheWarden | Hello |
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| 20:06.31 | TheWarden | I've created custom auto installers via USB before. However how would one go about do so with a CD? I'm trying to find material on this but I thought it might help to ask in here if there is a good resource for this process. |
| 20:06.54 | TheWarden | maybe I can just create an ISO of the USB files I've created. |
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| 20:19.20 | wols_ | TheWarden: there is no fundamental difference between CD or USB if you talk about a debian installer |
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| 20:31.02 | TheWarden | wols_: right, so that's why I thought maybe I just make an ISO of the files to burn to CD and it should work fine. |
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| 20:34.35 | wols_ | TheWarden: you didn't specify what you actually want to do. debian doesn't "autoinstall" anything usually |
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| 20:34.55 | wols_ | e.g do you want to create a debian install medium? if so, simply burning files to CD will not work |
| 20:35.41 | TheWarden | wols_: I'm just using a preseed file with a postinstall script. Nothing fancy along with GRUB and then place those on the USB flash drive which is bootable. But in this case, I have to take those files and then some how make it bootable. |
| 20:36.01 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 20:36.01 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 20:36.43 | TheWarden | ahh cool thanks. |
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| 20:55.54 | macrobat | I want users to be able to shut down the computer. I thought sudoers was they way to go. is this line right?: "macrobat localhost=/sbin/reboot" |
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| 20:58.07 | macrobat | ... for rebooting |
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| 21:04.48 | mengesb | is there a way to force a package as 'installed / configured' => ii manually? |
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| 21:13.09 | KaaK | how can i configure dnsmasq when using it with NetworkManager? It doesn't seem to read my dnsmasq configuration fragments out of '/etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d/' |
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| 21:18.35 | armin | KaaK: have you tried using a server= statement in a file in /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d/ to see if it tries to use dns servers from there? |
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| 21:19.58 | KaaK | armin, that is exactly the method I tried -- judging by dnsmasq process spun up by networkmanager, it doesn't read that directory for configuration details |
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| 21:25.35 | armin | KaaK: hm. interesting. |
| 21:25.39 | armin | KaaK: bug report? |
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| 21:29.06 | elichai2 | /redraw/redraw |
| 21:29.08 | elichai2 | ops |
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| 21:31.20 | fre | http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/notabene/information-theory.html |
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| 21:44.18 | KaaK | armin, http://paste.debian.net/96296/ -- the relevant configuration files |
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| 21:57.16 | shelpe | Does ANYONE here use ircd-hybrid with hybserv? I keep getting the You need 8 more users to register channel error and it's completely infuriating that the only result on search engines is an unanswered forum post from 2008 |
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| 21:59.33 | rhys | is there any reason there should be two packages in the official repo with the exact same name? |
| 22:00.26 | rhys | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ikiwiki vs http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/ikiwiki/ |
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| 22:00.53 | petern_ | It's the same package. |
| 22:00.56 | acu | hello, is there a reason why 389-ds ldap directory server is not in jessie and wheezy ? I see it in seed though ? |
| 22:00.58 | rhys | its not. |
| 22:01.07 | acu | !389 |
| 22:01.08 | dpkg | 389 Directory Server (formerly Fedora Directory Server) is an open source enterprise-class <LDAP> server, a rebranded variant of Red Hat Directory Server. Packaged in <unstable>. http://port389.org/ #389 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:01.37 | petern_ | Alright... what's different about it? |
| 22:02.31 | rhys | petern_: |
| 22:02.31 | rhys | f16ca74c4b219199ecd333ef6dec91c6 ikiwiki_3.20100815.9_all(1).deb |
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| 22:04.22 | rhys | i'm fairly sure thats an error, caused because someone relied on a script to increment the version number when they made a security patch, but due to the date based version it didn't. |
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| 22:05.08 | rhys | the only reason i saw it was because i was trying to use the same pool for my reprepro mirror and i mirrored both squeeze and squeeze security updates. |
| 22:05.14 | ioudas3 | Does anyone know how to disable a keyboard device from repeating keystrokes? I would like to disable repeating characters on any keyboard device for the whole system. |
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| 22:06.02 | dondelelcaro | ioudas: xset r off; for X. |
| 22:06.09 | ioudas | just console. |
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| 22:08.39 | dondelelcaro | ioudas: setterm -repeat off; then |
| 22:08.48 | dondelelcaro | ioudas: man setterm; man xset; for detalis |
| 22:09.06 | rhys | petern_: am I wrong? |
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| 22:10.38 | planet_ | hello folks, i've done a fresh install of 7.4.0 using a netinst iso, and noticed my /usr/src folder is empty- is there a way to get the source for my install easily using apt-get? |
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| 22:12.05 | centrx | planet_, You can get the source for any package as needed with apt-get source <package name> |
| 22:12.43 | petern_ | It won't unpack to /usr/src though. |
| 22:12.49 | centrx | planet_, Usually the entire source of installed packages is not downloaded because 1) It is so easy to get a source package when you need it, 2) source packages are usually much bigger, it would take up a lot of space to have them all |
| 22:12.52 | petern_ | rhys, pass. |
| 22:13.38 | rhys | ? |
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| 22:14.34 | planet_ | thanks centrx, petern |
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| 22:19.39 | LRN1 | how do i get debug symbols for gcc, collect2 and ld? |
| 22:19.57 | ioudas | dondelelcaro that is def good info |
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| 22:20.36 | ioudas | question.... how do you determine that a keystroke down is pressed. Lets sey i use setterm of xset. and the device keeps doing key press downs |
| 22:20.43 | LRN1 | (there's no gcc-4.9-dbg packages or anything like that) |
| 22:20.44 | ioudas | how do i investigate that |
| 22:20.51 | ioudas | log a keypress down |
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| 22:32.42 | gordonjcp | evening |
| 22:32.59 | peterrooney | ioudas: showkey (and maybe xev) might help you there |
| 22:33.24 | gordonjcp | which would be the best IRC channel for asking technical questions getting Debian packages to build? |
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| 22:33.38 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: are they packages which will be uploaded to Debian? |
| 22:33.46 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: in theory, yes |
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| 22:34.02 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: then #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is the best place |
| 22:34.04 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: it's osm-gps-map which is already packaged for Debian, but there is a serious bug |
| 22:34.15 | gordonjcp | and the package won't build, either |
| 22:34.18 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: righto |
| 22:34.35 | dondelelcaro | but if you're fixing bugs in Debian, you can always ask here, or in #debian-devel too... but #debian-mentors is the best place |
| 22:34.48 | gordonjcp | I'll start there, thanks |
| 22:34.52 | dondelelcaro | (people here might not be able to help, but it's always on topic) |
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| 22:37.57 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: looks like #debian-devel is invite-only |
| 22:38.18 | gordonjcp | as is #debian-mentors, but ##debian-mentors isn't |
| 22:38.26 | centrx | gordonjcp, Thoes are channels on OFTC |
| 22:38.38 | gordonjcp | oh |
| 22:38.53 | gordonjcp | they're not on Freenode? |
| 22:39.08 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: nope; that's why I said irc.debian.org |
| 22:39.30 | gordonjcp | ah, I missed that part |
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| 22:42.54 | Evropi | so I want to download one of the large DVD images |
| 22:43.04 | Evropi | but I'm presented with like 3 files |
| 22:43.12 | Evropi | which one do I download? |
| 22:43.25 | zykotick9 | Evropi: start with DVD1 ;) |
| 22:43.42 | zykotick9 | Evropi: ^ probably, more then you need... |
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| 22:44.07 | Evropi | what exactly are the differences between each one? It's not really explained... |
| 22:44.18 | Evropi | I want a minimal system but I cannot use network during the installation |
| 22:44.49 | zykotick9 | Evropi: dvd2 & dvd3 just contain _more_ packages, idea for systems without interenet. if you have internet, i'd suggest the netinst. |
| 22:44.56 | Evropi | fair enough |
| 22:45.03 | Evropi | I just did netinst, it was horrible :( |
| 22:45.18 | zykotick9 | "horrible" <- ;) |
| 22:45.24 | Evropi | I'll try once again with the cd, hopefully it will go better now because the initial config was pretty strange last time |
| 22:46.01 | peterrooney | Evropi: DVD 1 contains base system and the most commonly installed packages; DVD 2 contains uncommon packages, DVD 3 rarely used packages, and so on. /msg dpkg popcon |
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| 22:48.29 | zykotick9 | wonders: why debian.org says "download debian 7.5" but it links to 7.4... website and iso release should be in-sync IMO. debian-live is already offering 7.5 ISOs... |
| 22:49.30 | cafuego | I'm sure that tiny dist-upgrade isn't such a hardship. |
| 22:50.07 | zykotick9 | cafuego: oh, it's only so i can start seeding torrents ;) dist-upgrade was NO issue (as expected) on my actual systems |
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| 22:51.17 | zykotick9 | notes for 7.4 my i386 torrent seends _almost_ twice as much as the amd64... |
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| 22:51.29 | zykotick9 | s/seends/seeded/ |
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| 22:57.42 | zykotick9 | notes further: the most handy IMO, the multi-arch i386 & amd64 on one netinst, was BY FAR, the least popular debian torrent i had. it only reached 10x share, while i386 cd1 was over 50x shared. |
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| 23:01.52 | Evropi | err you know that you are meant to write in 3rd person when you use /me, right...? |
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| 23:02.12 | zykotick9 | Evropi: that's true, my bad. |
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| 23:02.31 | mtn | zykotick9: you just lost geek points :P |
| 23:02.36 | Evropi | also the cd installer also requires network :( |
| 23:03.06 | Evropi | if the bloody installer worked right I wouldn't be stuck here being unable to install. sigh. |
| 23:03.17 | Evropi | so I'm dl'ing the dvd now |
| 23:03.22 | Evropi | hopefully that will bundle dpkg. |
| 23:03.34 | Evropi | among several other critical components |
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| 23:04.07 | zykotick9 | Evropi: dvd... puff... why can't you use netinst? is this non-free wireless only, or something? |
| 23:04.52 | Evropi | non free wireless only. It worked previously when I did it with win32-loader (it's a chinese laptop with strange bios settings) |
| 23:05.06 | Evropi | but now it hands on the detecting part |
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| 23:05.16 | Evropi | I really want debian instead of arch though so yeah |
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| 23:05.34 | SynrG | requiring non-free firmware? |
| 23:05.39 | SynrG | !firmware images |
| 23:05.40 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 23:05.40 | Evropi | yep |
| 23:05.51 | Evropi | whaaaaaat |
| 23:06.01 | Evropi | you actually give whole images :o |
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| 23:06.44 | SynrG | yes. so much simpler |
| 23:06.48 | zykotick9 | Evropi: i just want to second SynrG's link, but that is unfortunate (fyi, using that image means you have non-free, and probably contrib, enabled on your system from the start). |
| 23:07.23 | Evropi | I don't really mind, I enable non-free anyway. I'm already downloading the dvd though |
| 23:07.51 | zykotick9 | the dvd won't help with non-free hardware support though... |
| 23:08.12 | Evropi | I can set it up easier once the system is installed (so debian installer doesn't mess up) |
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| 23:08.36 | Evropi | but I've been wondering, since it was so time consuming to set everything up via command line earlier... what exactly is the "Debian desktop environment" bundle? |
| 23:08.37 | SynrG | and even without the non-free image, you can separately download the firmware and make it available at install time |
| 23:08.52 | Evropi | I recall picking no DE earlier, I take it it's some sort of basic configuration? |
| 23:09.02 | SynrG | it's a gnome desktop |
| 23:09.08 | Evropi | FYI the setup I'm aiming for is an ultra lightweight tiling wm type |
| 23:09.09 | Evropi | ah ok |
| 23:09.19 | SynrG | if you want something else, just don't select it |
| 23:09.27 | Evropi | yep |
| 23:09.34 | SynrG | (i mean, something other than the alternative desktops |
| 23:09.35 | SynrG | ) |
| 23:09.42 | zykotick9 | SynrG: honestly, have YOU ever tried to load firmware from d-i? i haven't. but, TBO i'm not even sure if it's looks for a DEB for firmware files when d-i asks? |
| 23:09.46 | SynrG | those are available in advanced installer options |
| 23:10.00 | SynrG | packages *or* firmware files. |
| 23:10.19 | SynrG | it's pretty flexible in what it looks for |
| 23:10.26 | SynrG | see details in the debian installation guide. |
| 23:11.01 | zykotick9 | SynrG: hummm... i've only ever seen posting questions about it here... thanks for the info (i personally choose my hardware very carefully, to maximize free software support) |
| 23:11.06 | SynrG | !installer firmware |
| 23:11.06 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 23:12.24 | zykotick9 | SynrG: i don't typically like the recommendation of the non-official firmware installer, _unless it's required_ because of it using non-free by default. this is IMO a "broken" debian install :| |
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| 23:14.03 | SynrG | zykotick9: you're free to feel that way. i don't think users who are *required* to use non-free firmware should have a harder time of it to satisfy ideology. |
| 23:14.09 | Evropi | never hide a solution |
| 23:14.28 | Evropi | you can warn if you feel the need to do so, but a solution is a solution... and in most cases, it will be a more convenient one |
| 23:14.42 | SynrG | zykotick9: the place to wave the flag over your ideals is when advising users in their hardware purchases. |
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| 23:15.54 | zykotick9 | SynrG: Evropi while i fundamentally disagree with that stance. i also _do_ see debian's side of the free software debate! but IMO contrib and non-free should be removed from debian proper, to something like deb-multimedia <- but i realize that is a _VERY_ unpopular stance, even within debian. |
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| 23:16.20 | SynrG | also, offtopic for here. |
| 23:16.30 | zykotick9 | agreed. sorry. |
| 23:17.05 | SynrG | if you want to talk a bit about it, i'd be happy to on #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:25.21 | bxh4943 | now that kernel 3.13 is available in backports, is there any reason not to upgrade? i don't really need to upgrade, but hey - new krnel |
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| 23:27.47 | HappyNewYear13 | who here runs debian on a 2GB machine? does it run smooth? |
| 23:28.01 | HappyNewYear13 | 2GB ram that is |
| 23:28.20 | civillian | I have a machine with 512MB and it's great |
| 23:28.21 | bxh4943 | i run it on 1GB machines |
| 23:28.32 | bxh4943 | but i use openbox |
| 23:28.42 | HappyNewYear13 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, BUT with a good desktop environment |
| 23:28.43 | civillian | HappyNewYear13: do you need X? |
| 23:28.53 | civillian | so not X... |
| 23:28.53 | HappyNewYear13 | something more sophisticated |
| 23:29.05 | HappyNewYear13 | something not so primitive |
| 23:29.14 | bxh4943 | xfce with 1GB of ram is fine |
| 23:29.39 | HappyNewYear13 | bxh4943, i know |
| 23:29.54 | bxh4943 | HappyNewYear13: then what is your question? |
| 23:30.01 | civillian | HappyNewYear13: time to update your handle |
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| 23:31.09 | HappyNewYear13 | you guys are cooler than the ubuntu people, shhh don't tell them that |
| 23:31.51 | bxh4943 | how so? |
| 23:32.12 | HappyNewYear13 | you answer my questions and dont ban me if i ask offtopic questions |
| 23:32.38 | HappyNewYear13 | i even wanted to quit ubuntu |
| 23:32.49 | aypea[0] | you still can. ;) |
| 23:32.54 | HappyNewYear13 | :P |
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| 23:35.16 | Evropi | HappyNewYear13: probably more sophisticated than crunchbang right |
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| 23:35.25 | Evropi | because for instance that doesn't automatically update the application menu |
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| 23:35.54 | Evropi | in that case I'd recommend you give enlightenment or lxde a go |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 23:36.22 | Evropi | though be warned that lxde's input options are very poor if you depend on multi-lingul input a lot |
| 23:36.39 | Evropi | beyond that it's solid |
| 23:37.16 | HappyNewYear13 | Evropi, thanks |
| 23:37.29 | bxh4943 | Evropi: openbox's menu can autogenerate if you enable the 'debian' menu item which is dynamic and i believe just commented out, so it's already set up |
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| 23:37.41 | Evropi | haha |
| 23:37.50 | Evropi | I wonder why crunchbang doesn't enable it by default... |
| 23:38.00 | abrotman | ask them, not us |
| 23:38.01 | Evropi | and come to think of it multi-layout is an even worse hack in that one |
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| 23:48.36 | SynrG | HappyNewYear13: yes. i run lxde (stripped down) in 2G |
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| 23:49.23 | SynrG | minus pcmanfm (file manager? bah, who needs that running all the time). so basically lxsession + openbox + lxpanel |
| 23:49.39 | SynrG | wpasupplicant + wpa_cli to manage wireless. |
| 23:50.01 | SynrG | udisks-glue to handle automount of removable media |
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| 23:50.12 | Evropi | wpa supplicant is horrible :( |
| 23:50.16 | Evropi | wicd-curses |
| 23:50.30 | Evropi | also I recommend ranger or mc if you want a really good ncurses file manager |
| 23:50.34 | SynrG | guh. i could never use that for fast switching between networks on the bus. |
| 23:50.38 | somiaj | or just use /etc/network/interfaces to configure it and let it do the wpasupplicant calls |
| 23:50.40 | SynrG | way too many keystrokes |
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| 23:50.43 | Evropi | I prefer mc purely because I don't like vim keys |
| 23:51.04 | somiaj | I prefer 'ifup wlan0=network1' to switch 'ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0=netwrok2' |
| 23:51.23 | SynrG | somiaj: by then, the network has flown by the bus. too late ... |
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| 23:52.16 | SynrG | my setup: http://syn.theti.ca/2013/09/07/wifi-roaming-on-the-move-redux/ |
| 23:52.59 | Evropi | somiaj: you're meant to use ip link set <interface> up now |
| 23:53.15 | Evropi | fun fact: ifconfig is deprecated |
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| 23:53.27 | Evropi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 |
| 23:53.30 | Evropi | the successor |
| 23:53.46 | GJdan | how would one go about having two esp partitions that boot the same system? for raid 1 without the option to use a third drive for the rootfs and/or esp |
| 23:54.12 | somiaj | Evropi: my method uses /etc/network/interfaces to configure everyting, ifup will call ip, iwconfig, wpasupplicant depending on the settings of the network |
| 23:54.19 | somiaj | SynrG: yea I guess I don't need to worry about that. (: |
| 23:54.22 | SynrG | and yes, there are interesting alternatives mentioned in the comments of the article ... |
| 23:54.44 | SynrG | my netbook is now no longer the device of choice to take with me, so i probably won't try any of them. |
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| 23:55.07 | SynrG | but i remain a loyal wpa_cli user nevertheless :) |
| 23:55.20 | SynrG | the few times a year i still take the netbook out with me on the bus i still use it |
| 23:55.35 | somiaj | Evropi: yes ifconfig has been depericated, I doubt it will disapear anytime soon and ifup/ifdown actually uses ip |
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| 23:56.00 | Evropi | I know, but I wouldn't give it as advice to new users to use what are essentially aliases... |
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| 23:56.12 | Evropi | they'd never learn iproute2 that way |
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| 23:56.58 | SynrG | GJdan: esp? |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | somiaj: it was deprecated like four releases ago :) |
| 23:57.35 | GJdan | efi system partition |
| 23:57.37 | SynrG | ah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partition |
| 23:57.49 | GJdan | aye |
| 23:57.51 | SynrG | no idea |
| 23:58.15 | GJdan | when I try to install onone hdd it works fine, but when then install on the other the first one seems to vanish from the post screen |
| 23:58.23 | GJdan | doesn't show up as a bootable drive anymore |
| 23:58.35 | somiaj | abrotman: yea I find I move slowly, I tend to be of the camp wny learn new syntax when the old still works. (: |
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| 23:58.57 | GJdan | tried to put them ina raid, but grub-install wouldn't have that |
| 23:59.11 | GJdan | unless there's a proper way to do so. Only hint I could find was to use metadata <= 1.0 |
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| 23:59.59 | SynrG | last time i did raid i grub-installed to both drives individually |
