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| 00:03.09 | gnfr | whois gnfr |
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| 00:19.58 | kingsley | Can Iceweasel/Firefox correctly render math symbols like |
| 00:20.02 | kingsley | \(\bar {x}\) |
| 00:20.03 | kingsley | and |
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| 00:20.21 | kingsley | \( \sigma_x = \dfrac{\sigma}{\sqrt{n}}\) |
| 00:20.23 | kingsley | ? |
| 00:20.27 | kingsley | If so, how? |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | do you have a webpage sample? |
| 00:21.31 | kingsley | Yes. |
| 00:21.44 | kingsley | http://statwiki.ucdavis.edu/Probability_Theory/The_Central_Limit_Theorem |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | kingsley: looks fine here in IW and Epiphany |
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| 00:23.50 | Brigo_ | me too with IW. |
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| 00:24.48 | kingsley | What version of IW are you using? |
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| 00:25.23 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 00:25.24 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 24.4.0esr-1; sid: 24.4.0esr-1; experimental: 28.0-1 |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | the one in Jessie |
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| 00:25.35 | Brigo | 24.4.0 |
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| 00:28.51 | fr33_lasagna | hi, in firefox on one website, when i move my mouse over a picture, the mouse cursor changes and i can click on the picture as a selection. However, I cannot do that with ice weasel. I thought they were fundamentally the same |
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| 00:34.36 | Brigo | fr33_lasagna, and they are, may be the version. |
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| 00:48.10 | sbxc443 | hi i'm trying to use a two-slot HDD reader to connect two >1TB drives to my computer. but only one is being detected at a time. is there some limitation? i'm not sure if this is a debian/linux thing or issue with my hardware |
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| 00:50.39 | abrotman | two-slot? |
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| 00:57.54 | sbxc443 | what i had to do to fix it was use usb. i was trying to connect them to the pc with esata |
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| 00:58.01 | sbxc443 | in case anyone cares |
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| 01:14.26 | dizzylizzy | is there a reason openvz is not in the repos anymore? |
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| 01:15.07 | abrotman | deprecated IIRC |
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| 01:16.41 | dizzylizzy | in favor of...? |
| 01:16.52 | SynrG | In favor of lxc i think? |
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| 01:18.12 | abrotman | Yes |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman | or use virtualization, xen/kvm |
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| 01:21.13 | dizzylizzy | Interesting, ok |
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| 01:22.29 | zh1 | is the archive key of http://mozilla.debian.net/ still up to date? |
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| 01:24.41 | abrotman | should be |
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| 01:26.02 | zh1 | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 01:26.13 | zh1 | am getting this error |
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| 01:28.03 | zh1 | apt-get install debian-keyring && gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 06C4AE2A && gpg -a --export 06C4AE2A | apt-key add - |
| 01:28.07 | somiaj | zh1: did you follow the instructions about adding that key at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 01:28.20 | zh1 | yes i had it added |
| 01:28.30 | zh1 | but something broke all of the suddon |
| 01:28.34 | somiaj | zh1: you want the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package you can download from there |
| 01:29.00 | zh1 | after adding it error persists |
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| 01:32.27 | somiaj | zh1: hmm, I would have to test it to see if it worked for me, not sure why it isn't |
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| 01:33.35 | abrotman | zh1: did you run apt-get update after adding the key ? |
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| 01:37.08 | ruukasu | how can I see which of free/contrib/nonfree a package is in? |
| 01:37.46 | abrotman | ruukasu: apt-cache show package |
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| 01:38.22 | ruukasu | thanks |
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| 01:39.31 | zh1 | abrotman, yes, then i have error |
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| 01:39.41 | ruukasu | so contrib packages are still 100% free software according to DFSG? |
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| 01:40.26 | abrotman | ruukasu: but they depend on package outside of main, right ? |
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| 01:40.53 | somiaj | ruukasu: the contents inside the package, but to install such package you will get non-free stuff on your machine |
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| 01:42.09 | ruukasu | somiaj, so if you only install software via apt-get and only have packages from main, your system is as free as trisquel/parabola/gnewsense? |
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| 01:42.34 | somiaj | ruukasu: correct |
| 01:42.55 | somiaj | ruukasu: if you have contrib packages on your system you also have installed non-free with them. |
| 01:43.02 | ruukasu | weird |
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| 01:43.56 | ruukasu | and non-free can include thy violations of dfsg, including source-unavailable and hypothetically malicious? |
| 01:44.04 | ruukasu | include any violations* |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | malicious? not likely |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | that's be silly |
| 01:44.42 | somiaj | ruukasu: yea if it comes from debian it is trusted, just doen'st follow DSFG, like gcc-doc is in non-free because of invariaint subsections |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | somiaj: it doesn't mean you have installed non-free packages .. |
| 01:45.16 | ruukasu | somiaj, isn't microcode believed to have potential to install backdoors? |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | somiaj: for instance, flashplugin-nonfree doesn't depend on a non-free package, but does download software from outside of Debian |
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| 01:45.52 | abrotman | ruukasu: that doesn't make it malicious |
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| 01:46.43 | somiaj | abrotman: correct, but in that case you get non-free stuff on your system as a result of installing the package. |
| 01:46.47 | ruukasu | also, |
| 01:46.49 | ruukasu | >firmware-linux |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | somiaj: yes, but doesn't depend on a non-free package :) |
| 01:46.59 | ruukasu | in what world is linux nonfree? |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | ruukasu: read the package decription |
| 01:47.11 | somiaj | abrotman: yea I ment non-free software not package, my mistake. (: |
| 01:47.26 | ruukasu | especially since there's also a package called firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | ruukasu: read the package decription |
| 01:48.48 | ruukasu | ah |
| 01:48.51 | ruukasu | so binary blobs? |
| 01:48.57 | somiaj | ruukasu: I find some of the firmware classification very borderline. If a vendor puts non-free firmware on their chip but the dirvers are fre it is okay, but if they ship the firmware as a file (instead of putting it on the chip) we have to put that file in non-free. |
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| 01:49.34 | somiaj | ruukasu: but yes that is why a lot of the firmware blbos are in non-free because that file itself cannot be modified and is thus not DSFG free |
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| 01:50.39 | ruukasu | somiaj, so firmware-linux is considered free software by linux, but not by debian, while firmware-linux-nonfree is considered nonfree by both? |
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| 01:51.05 | somiaj | ruukasu: no some of the firmware blobs are actually DSFG free, so thus they were split into two packages. |
| 01:51.24 | ruukasu | somiaj, both are listed as non-free by vrms |
| 01:52.07 | somiaj | ruukasu: sorry I was thinking about 'firmware-linux-free' |
| 01:52.20 | somiaj | seems firmware-linux is the meta package that depends on both and is thus non-free |
| 01:52.30 | ruukasu | ah |
| 01:53.17 | ruukasu | do you happen to know what nonfree components virtualbox installs? |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | look at the package descriptions ... |
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| 01:55.25 | ruukasu | abrotman, I don't see anything that seems to mention nonfree components |
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| 01:55.31 | ruukasu | just dependencies and such |
| 01:55.53 | somiaj | are any of the depends non-free packges? |
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| 01:57.14 | ruukasu | doesn't look like it. any way to check without showing each individually? |
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| 01:58.19 | somiaj | oh yea I rember hearing about vbox being put into contrib, forget what the reason was. seems the wheezy-backports one is contrib but the main wheezy one is not |
| 01:58.24 | zykotick9 | ruukasu: my suggestion, if you want a FAIF Debian, just don't use contrib/non-free - thus making vrms redundant... YMMV |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | zykotick9: please don't .. |
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| 01:59.58 | ruukasu | zykotick9, I need some non-free/contrib, I'd just like to have the vm in which I run windows to be fully foss, which I've been told is possible |
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| 02:01.19 | somiaj | ruukasu: okay found the issue in the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22_Backports, vbox itself is free, but a non-free tool is required to build the BIOS thus puthing the whole package in contrib. |
| 02:01.48 | ruukasu | huh |
| 02:01.52 | somiaj | ruukasu: so it is in contrib because it requires non DSFG free software to build the package, thus not making it buildable in a debian main. |
| 02:02.02 | somiaj | well build a small part, the BIOS |
| 02:02.13 | ruukasu | so all the actual software is free, but it's nonfree in the sense of "free hardware"? |
| 02:02.33 | ruukasu | (it functions as non-free hardware) |
| 02:02.36 | AlexPortable | if i make a complete backup of the / everything on the system (including mysql users, databases and permissions) is backed up right? |
| 02:03.30 | somiaj | ruukasu: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691148 |
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| 02:04.02 | somiaj | ruukasu: yea and this case is weird, because I belive the actual BIOS built is dsfg free, just the software to build it is not. |
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| 02:05.20 | ruukasu | weird. well thanks, that clears things up a bit |
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| 02:07.12 | somiaj | AlexPortable: If you have them on different partitions, depending on how you backup /, you need to make sure all the additional partitions are mounted. |
| 02:07.39 | somiaj | AlexPortable: but yes a backup of / will backup everything (but a backup of the root partition may not) |
| 02:07.54 | AlexPortable | root partition? |
| 02:07.57 | AlexPortable | i only have 1 partition |
| 02:08.01 | AlexPortable | it's a vps |
| 02:08.04 | AlexPortable | dc is going down tomorrow |
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| 02:09.41 | somiaj | then all your stuff is on that one root partition, the root partition is the partition that is mounted as / |
| 02:10.19 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 02:10.41 | AlexPortable | tar -zcvpf /backups/fullbackup-withouthome.tar.gz --directory=/ --exclude=proc --exclude=sys --exclude=dev/pts --exclude=backups --exclude=usr/share/doc . |
| 02:10.43 | AlexPortable | i did this |
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| 02:12.13 | abrotman | okay, and? |
| 02:12.25 | AlexPortable | i can restore backup at another server? |
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| 02:12.32 | AlexPortable | and have it running? |
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| 02:13.38 | abrotman | you sohuld try this .. |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | backups are no good if you can't restore the data you want |
| 02:14.27 | AlexPortable | True |
| 02:14.33 | AlexPortable | But well |
| 02:14.36 | AlexPortable | When I try, and fail |
| 02:14.38 | AlexPortable | what then? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | try again? |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | AlexPortable: Have you thought perhaps you should hire someone to admin your system? |
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| 02:15.40 | AlexPortable | Why? |
| 02:15.49 | }a{ | is back (gone 01:34:44) |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell }a{ about away |
| 02:15.58 | AlexPortable | welcome back }a{ |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | don't encourage him |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | AlexPortable: because you seem unable or unwilling to read documentation and try things |
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| 02:16.17 | AlexPortable | tell AlexPortable about away |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:16.24 | AlexPortable | dpkg: tell AlexPortable about away |
| 02:17.03 | un214 | does anybody on this line know how to troubleshoot when kde accessability tools do not start? |
| 02:17.13 | AlexPortable | also I can't test it on another system |
| 02:17.17 | AlexPortable | i have no other vps |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | you have no other linux box? |
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| 02:17.45 | AlexPortable | nope |
| 02:17.53 | somiaj | un214: check logs, though I like trying to start the command from a terminal so I can look for any errors it produces |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | AlexPortable: what OS does your VPS run? |
| 02:17.59 | AlexPortable | debian |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | AlexPortable: then ask your provider for a VPS to test your restore on .. |
| 02:18.18 | AlexPortable | They won't |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | then why are you wasting our time? |
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| 02:18.41 | abrotman | you've already used teh command you want. if you can't test it, you can't test it .. hopefully it worked |
| 02:18.44 | AlexPortable | They tell me I can buy the same package twice if i want to test |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | sounds like a plan |
| 02:19.03 | AlexPortable | Not enough money to do that |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | otherwise, you have your answers .. good luck |
| 02:19.10 | AlexPortable | Thanks |
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| 02:23.08 | ToTheInternet | my sound stopped working a few days ago, i'm assuming some update broke it. ps aux tells me that pulseaudio is running |
| 02:23.29 | ToTheInternet | aplay doesnt give any errors, but no sound plays |
| 02:24.05 | ToTheInternet | i'm not sure where to start looking, anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 02:24.27 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: do you have multiple sound cards, could it be that your default soundcard is now another one? |
| 02:24.38 | ToTheInternet | somiaj: only one soundcard |
| 02:24.54 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: you sure, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 02:25.03 | un214 | somiaj: I only get trying to load plugin when I started it |
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| 02:25.34 | un214 | quassel spams QCA-provider not foiund |
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| 02:26.10 | ToTheInternet | somiaj: ok, it shows 2 sound cards. HDA-Intel PCH and ThinkPad EC - Thinkpad Console Audio Control |
| 02:26.44 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: just wonder if you rebooted and they swtiched order of detection. You can use aplay tell it what card and device to use |
| 02:26.47 | AlexPortable | where can i find trashbin on debian? |
| 02:26.50 | AlexPortable | if i rmed some files |
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| 02:27.02 | somiaj | AlexPortable: linux desont have a default trashbin |
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| 02:27.20 | somiaj | rming files form the cli will not move the files to a trashbin, but actually removethem |
| 02:27.27 | AlexPortable | so where did the files go |
| 02:27.34 | AlexPortable | any way to implent a trashbin? |
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| 02:29.00 | somiaj | AlexPortable: the files are removed, you can just other commands besides remove |
| 02:29.12 | somiaj | AlexPortable: mkdir /trash and then instead of using rm, us mv foo /trash |
| 02:29.19 | AlexPortable | ah |
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| 02:29.24 | AlexPortable | but that won't compress them |
| 02:29.28 | AlexPortable | that will only move them |
| 02:29.53 | somiaj | you could have a cron job compress and/or remove old things from trash, but anyways yes moving this to a trash bin is not default for the remove command |
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| 02:31.01 | AlexPortable | how does gui works then? |
| 02:31.37 | somiaj | that is what they do, they don't actually delete the file, they just move it's location in your filesystem to a place they call the trashbin (I guess maybe compress it) |
| 02:31.48 | somiaj | I think some of the gui filemanagers like nautliss actually have an option to do this too |
| 02:32.40 | acu | some amazingly simple question, how can I setup a fqdn, /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts - still is not right - I have on 127.0.0.1 localhost - then second line 127.0.1.1 myhostname.mydomain.com myhostname -- are there any other places in debian for fqdn ? |
| 02:33.31 | acu | !fqdn |
| 02:33.31 | dpkg | [fqdn] Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
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| 02:33.50 | rjsalts | acu: that's it. mtas and command line mail programs will use /etc/mailname |
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| 02:36.12 | AlexPortable | somiaj: then how does it knows where it should place it back? |
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| 02:36.24 | acu | rjalts: that I was looking for /etc/mailname - thanks a bunch |
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| 02:36.35 | acu | rjsalts, thanks |
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| 02:38.40 | nell | im trying to create a backup of my distro with remastersys |
| 02:38.46 | nell | the livecd isn't working |
| 02:38.57 | nell | i burned the iso to usb with unetbootin |
| 02:39.12 | nell | my distro was encrypted |
| 02:39.32 | somiaj | nell: debian live images need to be copied directly to the usbdevice, unetbootin sometimes messes up the way debian iso's are already bootable |
| 02:40.06 | nell | remastersys backups are outputted as iso |
| 02:40.18 | nell | how should I properly copy the iso to a usb if not unetbootin? |
| 02:40.46 | nell | it's having problems with cryptsetup |
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| 02:41.27 | somiaj | nell: what os are you making the image from? |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | unetbootin generally doesn't work well with hybrid ISOs |
| 02:42.04 | somiaj | though are you talking about the debia-live iso images or the images made by remastersys, I'm unfmarilar with that. |
| 02:42.26 | nell | image made by remastersys |
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| 02:44.08 | nell | im just looking for a way to properly backup my whole distro |
| 02:44.11 | nell | and reinstall it |
| 02:44.14 | nell | if needed |
| 02:44.26 | nell | is disk cloning the best option? |
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| 02:45.08 | somiaj | nell: an exact copy of the root filesystem (and all other mounted partitions) woudl work, bigest issue in revering the system is having to reinstall grub to make it bootable |
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| 02:46.42 | nell | how else do you backup when you have full disk encryption? |
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| 02:47.57 | somiaj | nell: oh yea I forgot about encryption. (: |
| 02:49.17 | ToTheInternet | somiaj: aplay -D hw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav tells me Device or Resource busy. hw:0,0 should be the correct one though |
| 02:49.50 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: sounds like some other peice of software is using the device then. |
| 02:50.37 | ToTheInternet | somiaj: normally any number of softwares should be able to use the device at the same time though |
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| 02:52.46 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: that is what the error sounds like. Are you sure you don't have pulse or some other sound server running? |
| 02:53.22 | ToTheInternet | somiaj: i killed plugin-container which is a firefox process and now i get a different error: number of channels not supported |
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| 02:54.18 | somiaj | ToTheInternet: put the output of aplay -L at paste.debian.net |
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| 03:03.39 | shakes808 | Evening all |
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| 03:05.03 | shakes808 | I wanted to inquire about using Debian as a file server. I am not familiar with server things, I am more of a developer. I have an old box currently running 32bit XP and was going to wipe it to put on Linux. Any suggestions / help would be greatly appreciated |
| 03:06.42 | flos | shakes808, nfs server or samba server? |
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| 03:06.54 | somiaj | shakes808: I say jump in and see what is out there. Is this a file server in ense of like windows share? |
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| 03:07.01 | brennanos | hello |
| 03:07.09 | somiaj | shakes808: or just gonna be like an ftp server (well sftp would be preferable) |
| 03:07.51 | shakes808 | @flos, I am just going to be serving up files so that my friends and I can grab whenever for development. |
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| 03:08.28 | shakes808 | They are going to be a mix of .cpp .cs .php files. |
| 03:08.41 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:08.51 | shakes808 | Must be able to read from Linux and Windows machines. |
| 03:09.19 | shakes808 | Since I am new to the networking aspects, would prefer something simple |
| 03:09.24 | johnfg | I'm running wheezy. What's the best way to do a slide show of 200jpgs on a flash drive? |
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| 03:10.04 | johnfg | windoze would just allow the slide show from the drive, but not sure how to do it in debian. |
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| 03:10.59 | flos | shakes808, i think it would be better to setup a samba server, as windows 2008- seems not support nfs unless you have unixutils installed. |
| 03:11.02 | Alevsk | hi |
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| 03:11.29 | flos | shakes808, or ftp server is more easier. |
| 03:11.33 | somiaj | johnfg: are they all in one directory? |
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| 03:11.41 | johnfg | somiaj: yes |
| 03:12.12 | Alevsk | in the past i install apache2 with apt-get install apache2 now im doing some security workshop and i downloaded and installed a vulnerable version of openssl, how can i amm reinstall apache and indicate the path of the new openssl? the guys at apache told me here i can get more information x.x xD |
| 03:12.42 | Alevsk | is there exist a way to reinstall using apt-get and not just download apache and recompile it? |
| 03:12.46 | somiaj | johnfg: there are various image viewing software that will do a slide show. I would do it from a cli with 'feh /path/to/drive/*jpg' as I use feh as my simple image viewer, I think gnome has one too |
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| 03:13.38 | shakes808 | @flos, when I load up a linux distro, will it give me options? It has been some time since I have installed a distro. |
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| 03:15.18 | johnfg | somiaj: I'm installing feh now and will give it a try. THanks! |
| 03:16.59 | flos | shakes808, installation guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual and vsftpd setup guide: https://wiki.debian.org/vsftpd |
| 03:17.34 | flos | shakes808, for more information could do a google. |
| 03:17.35 | somiaj | johnfg: by default you have to hit space to go to the next image, if you want read the man page there are options to switch every so many secionds, put it into full screen mode, etc |
| 03:17.35 | shakes808 | @flos, thank you. I will take a look |
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| 03:18.11 | flos | Alevsk, do you mean your apache is self-compiled? |
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| 03:18.30 | shakes808 | @flos, I have been looking through the googles and seeing a lot of samba stuff. |
| 03:18.53 | shakes808 | wanted to see what some others thought might be good. |
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| 03:20.23 | nell | can I tar zcvpf a / |
| 03:20.30 | flos | shakes808, key words: debian samba guide |
| 03:20.39 | nell | and expect it to work if i wanna uh |
| 03:20.46 | nell | reinstall |
| 03:21.55 | shakes808 | @flos, haha. Yeah, but didn't know if Samba was over kill or if there was another route that would be better |
| 03:21.56 | flos | nell, do forget the grub. |
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| 03:22.37 | nell | I can get grub again to work |
| 03:22.41 | nell | yeah? |
| 03:23.55 | flos | nell, you can backup you system with tar. but you after you restore the files to new system, maybe you should reinstall the grub. |
| 03:24.11 | flos | shakes808, so vsftp may be your choice. |
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| 03:38.37 | shakes808 | @flos, thank you |
| 03:38.43 | shakes808 | You have a good night |
| 03:38.58 | flos | shakes808, :) |
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| 04:10.17 | thedeeno1 | It appears that build-essential is leaving 100+ MB on my image after doing 'apt-get install build-essential && apt-get remove --purge build-essential && apt-get autoremove' |
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| 04:10.34 | thedeeno1 | anythoughts on how to troubleshoot and remove the extraneous bits here? |
| 04:11.03 | thedeeno1 | on jessie btw |
| 04:11.34 | petern_ | image? |
| 04:11.49 | ebfull | what's the best way to install both openssl0.9.8 and openssl1.0.0 |
| 04:12.03 | thedeeno1 | petern_: installation might be a better word |
| 04:12.13 | thedeeno1 | (using docker so I keep thinking image these days) |
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| 04:13.11 | Rusty1 | thedeeno1: try apt-get clean , if you want to try and free up some disk space |
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| 04:13.54 | thedeeno1 | Rusty1: `du -hs` reports same usage after running that |
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| 04:15.13 | petern_ | are you able to do a fresh install to compare? |
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| 04:16.32 | thedeeno1 | petern_: yeah, that exactly what I did. fresh install after apt-get update = 153MB of disk usage. install build-essential 350+, remove build-essential 270MB du. |
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| 04:17.10 | thedeeno1 | I expected removing/purging/autoremoving/cleaning would bring be back down close to 153MB |
| 04:17.27 | petern_ | so you can compare what is there, then |
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| 04:18.06 | thedeeno1 | hmm, true. Let's see here |
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| 04:18.24 | asarch | After a "aptitude -y install python-turbogears2 python-turbogears2-doc" I got: |
| 04:18.33 | asarch | Processing triggers for python-support ... |
| 04:18.58 | asarch | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/tw/forms/core.py:430: SyntaxWarning: assertion is always true, perhaps remove parentheses? assert (isinstance(schema.fields[name], Schema), |
| 04:18.59 | asarch | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/tw/forms/core.py:430: SyntaxWarning: assertion is always true, perhaps remove parentheses? assert (isinstance(schema.fields[name], Schema)," |
| 04:19.17 | asarch | Why? |
| 04:20.50 | thedeeno1 | So it looks like /bin=+0.1MB /usr=+120MB /var=+1MB |
| 04:20.53 | nell | do i need to prepartition before using clonezilla |
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| 04:21.59 | thedeeno1 | /usr/bin=+12MB /usr/lib=+60MB /usr/share=+40MB |
| 04:23.14 | petern_ | thedeeno1, compate file lists... ls -lR before & after |
| 04:23.40 | thedeeno1 | /usr/lib/gcc=+32MB /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu=+12MB |
| 04:23.53 | thedeeno1 | petern_: oo, that's nice |
| 04:24.25 | thedeeno1 | petern_: how would I cache the before though? |
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| 04:24.49 | thedeeno1 | I'm just comparing by eye via two terminals, one fresh, one after |
| 04:26.07 | petern_ | save it to a file? |
| 04:26.09 | thedeeno1 | i guess I'll just have to save the output some where |
| 04:26.10 | thedeeno1 | yeah |
| 04:26.36 | petern_ | and compare dpkg -l |
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| 04:31.09 | thedeeno1 | petern_: I know there's a way to see which package installed a file but I'm looking at man dpkg and not finding it |
| 04:31.12 | thedeeno1 | do you know off hand? |
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| 04:31.29 | petern_ | -S |
| 04:31.36 | thedeeno1 | nice, thanks |
| 04:32.20 | xbsh349e | does anyoen else have the debian mozilla repo? i'm getting a gpg error suddenly when i ran apt-get update. it says bad signature |
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| 04:33.00 | xbsh349e | i have pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring installed and never had an issue before today |
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| 04:34.33 | thedeeno1 | woa, I got super lucky, first file I checked made a big dent. 'apt-get remove libatomic && apt-get autoremove' cleaned out 70MB. /usr/lib looks like it matches the fresh install now |
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| 04:34.42 | thedeeno1 | thoughts as to why this wasn't autoremoved? |
| 04:34.52 | zcd | i'm installing debian through netinst, but the package manager refuses to configure |
| 04:34.56 | thedeeno1 | is that maybe an issue? |
| 04:34.58 | zcd | is there a likely solution? |
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| 04:37.03 | thedeeno1 | petern_: do you think the above is a fileable issue? I'm new to diving this deep |
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| 04:44.12 | thedeeno1 | petern_: libatomic and perl were the culprits. removing them brought me back down to sub 150MB. Thanks for the help. If you know where I can file an issue for this let me know |
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| 04:45.25 | xbsh349e | anyone know why i'm getting this error : GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG |
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| 04:53.45 | Mysterytrain | I have an old acer aspire netbook from 2008. would i be better off finding a squeeze cd and installing it on there, or can weezy still handle it hardware that old? |
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| 04:58.53 | xbsh349e | that's not that old |
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| 05:02.53 | comradekingu | Mysterytrain: yes |
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| 05:03.59 | Mysterytrain | ok |
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| 05:22.21 | gaasfet | boot hangs at error message "nvidiafb: cannot remap FB base", after recent DU |
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| 05:22.49 | gaasfet | and hello |
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| 05:24.16 | DeeEff | sup #debian, I'm getting a BADSIG 85A3D26506C4AE2A error when I try updating from mozilla.debian.net for wheezy-backports |
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| 05:24.36 | DeeEff | is there something wrong with mozilla.debian.net or is there something I need to fix (likely a key update, but I'm unsure) |
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| 05:25.03 | Tasab | jiohdi, hi mate |
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| 05:26.49 | Tasab | how i can run the command apt-get install gdme , without internet connection , tks |
| 05:27.43 | gellioth | do you have the CDs Tasab ? |
| 05:27.55 | gellioth | sorry DVDs? |
| 05:28.00 | Tasab | yes wheezy |
| 05:29.28 | gellioth | ok, if the program is in the dvd that will be isntalled when you type the command in console, always remember to do it with administrator privileges |
| 05:30.00 | Tasab | gellioth, tried that but asking to be connected ? |
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| 05:30.50 | gaasfet | any ideas as to why my boot hangs? (wheezy) "nvidiafb: cannot remap FB base |
| 05:30.51 | gellioth | did you changed the repositoriies to use the DVD instead of internet? |
| 05:31.13 | Tasab | nope , how i can do that |
| 05:31.21 | gellioth | ok |
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| 05:32.03 | gellioth | I,ll guide you graphically, what desktop you use? |
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| 05:32.21 | Tasab | gnome 3 , gellioth |
| 05:32.35 | gellioth | ok open synaptic |
| 05:33.06 | Tasab | but how i can open the synaptic and no system |
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| 05:34.54 | gellioth | sorry, I don't understand the ask, are you saying me that you can't access to the desktop, that you are in console? |
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| 05:36.49 | gellioth | or you can't use the desktop yet? |
| 05:36.58 | Tasab | gellioth, the history of my system before couple of days working properly , tried to update s/ware unfortunately when reboot no system and user name + pw required blank screen something likt MSDOS |
| 05:37.29 | Tasab | assumed dm issue |
| 05:38.13 | gaasfet | I cant even get a shell |
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| 05:38.51 | gaasfet | after some systemd messages it hangs |
| 05:39.21 | gellioth | ok, what you tried to update? video card? Tasab: |
| 05:40.03 | Tasab | no can't remember exactly may be debian kernel (loader) |
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| 05:42.02 | gellioth | I want to help you, but I'm trying to undertand your problem, in the black screen what's there? something asking for your user and password? |
| 05:42.09 | gellioth | or what? |
| 05:43.18 | gellioth | can you access to your system in text mode? |
| 05:43.20 | gaasfet | maybe the same as my problem gellioth |
| 05:43.25 | Tasab | yes asking my user & pw , so i run the aptget install gdme , then 8256 mb will be added , agreed yes , then asking to be connected internet |
| 05:43.40 | gaasfet | bye, |
| 05:43.54 | Tasab | yes i can access thro txt mode |
| 05:43.58 | gellioth | ok |
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| 05:44.33 | gellioth | that's better, wait, I don't remember the command... |
| 05:45.23 | gellioth | ok Tasab: try to do this: |
| 05:45.41 | gellioth | first, put the disc |
| 05:45.49 | gellioth | then type: |
| 05:45.51 | gellioth | sudo apt-cdroom add |
| 05:46.06 | gellioth | then: |
| 05:46.14 | gellioth | sudo apt-get update |
| 05:46.58 | Tasab | gellioth, then - that is all |
| 05:47.17 | gellioth | yes, try to install you program |
| 05:47.28 | gellioth | your program |
| 05:47.48 | Tasab | tks , let me try then , will back 2 U , cya |
| 05:47.53 | gellioth | ok |
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| 06:01.32 | gellioth | Tasab: everything ok? |
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| 06:02.31 | Tasab | gellioth, jus back , the output of the command sudo apt-cdroom add is |
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| 06:02.46 | Tasab | sudo apt command not found , |
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| 06:04.24 | gellioth | Tasab: sudo apt-cdrom add |
| 06:05.12 | Tasab | ahhh , may be oo this the prob , u r right , back 2 u |
| 06:05.24 | gellioth | ok |
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| 06:11.32 | harovali | hi, I've installed wheezy , now I need to properly copy some Evolution data files from a former Evolution. Evoluiton wants to 'restore' a file, but I don't which single file tell it to restore since what I have is a whole ~/.evolution folder from the former installation. Any hints welcome |
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| 06:17.03 | gellioth | harovali: why you don't try to copy all the .evolution directory? |
| 06:17.43 | gellioth | don't worry, if that don't works only erase it |
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| 06:18.07 | Tasab | gellioth, output of the : sudo apt-cdrom add is : |
| 06:18.20 | Tasab | repeat this process fro the rest of the CDs in your set |
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| 06:18.41 | Tasab | *for |
| 06:19.35 | Tasab | so , the output of update command required internet connection |
| 06:19.54 | gellioth | ok ... |
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| 06:21.49 | Newbie99 | hi all, can I be able to change to sysvinit from systemd ? |
| 06:22.08 | gellioth | Tasab: I,m trying to remember how to disable the internet repositories |
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| 06:23.17 | gellioth | Tasab: I don't remember, let me google for a while |
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| 06:24.15 | Tasab | gellioth, fine i hope yr trying to be successed & remember the case , am reverting - |
| 06:24.25 | themill | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:26.19 | Animeking | how I install non-free firmware for wireleess if I didn't do so during install? |
| 06:26.20 | Animeking | D: |
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| 06:26.40 | gellioth | Tasab: what kind of video card you have? |
| 06:27.05 | gellioth | ati, nvidia, intel integrated? |
| 06:27.05 | themill | Animeking: you can download the package from packages.debian.org and copy it across |
| 06:27.32 | Tasab | it is intel , mb gigabyte |
| 06:28.44 | gellioth | Tasab: can you use nano or vi, they are text editors in console |
| 06:28.49 | gellioth | ? |
| 06:29.10 | Tasab | yes i can use nano under txt mode |
| 06:29.42 | gellioth | ok, do you know what are sources.list |
| 06:30.01 | Tasab | yes , do you want me to edit ? |
| 06:30.21 | gellioth | is, are, I don know, I must practice more my english |
| 06:30.41 | gellioth | yes |
| 06:31.09 | Tasab | ok , ga ahead and guide me |
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| 06:31.25 | Tasab | go ahead |
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| 06:32.46 | gellioth | you have to edit it, you must comment all the lines tha refer to the internet repositories and |
| 06:33.39 | gellioth | Tasab: only left the cdrom line working |
| 06:33.47 | gellioth | understand? |
| 06:33.54 | gellioth | understood? |
| 06:34.15 | Tasab | ok , that means # required b4 the internet line , isit? |
| 06:35.22 | gellioth | all the ones that looks like: |
| 06:35.24 | gellioth | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
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| 06:35.43 | Animeking | How do I find what firmware my laptop uses? |
| 06:35.57 | Animeking | it said during install but I can't remember all that lol |
| 06:36.15 | Tasab | understood , |
| 06:36.19 | gellioth | ok |
| 06:36.23 | gellioth | do it |
| 06:36.32 | gellioth | then run |
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| 06:36.46 | gellioth | sudo apt-get update |
| 06:37.06 | gellioth | and try to install again |
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| 06:37.28 | gellioth | dont comment the line that refers to cdrom |
| 06:37.35 | gellioth | don't |
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| 06:37.49 | gellioth | I'll be here |
| 06:38.09 | gellioth | Animeking: |
| 06:38.09 | Tasab | gellioth, the line refer to cdrom not indicated on the list how to add it |
| 06:38.22 | Animeking | ! |
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| 06:39.02 | gellioth | Tasab: ok dont worry you can do it with the commands |
| 06:39.10 | gellioth | to add cd rom |
| 06:39.12 | Animeking | ? |
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| 06:39.42 | gellioth | Animeking: I have the package |
| 06:40.03 | Animeking | Hmm? To check what firmware you need for your specific hardware? |
| 06:40.08 | Tasab | ok , will quit & back 2 u , hope this time i success , thanks 4 yr time |
| 06:40.23 | gellioth | Tasab: no problem |
| 06:40.57 | gellioth | Animeking: I don't know, I install all the firmwares to be shure |
| 06:41.05 | Animeking | :| |
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| 06:41.20 | Animeking | I see. |
| 06:41.27 | gellioth | That's too bad to you? |
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| 06:41.33 | Animeking | it isn't |
| 06:41.40 | Animeking | i'd be okay with that tbh lol |
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| 06:42.06 | gellioth | I don't have problems at all |
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| 06:42.59 | gellioth | Animeking: Do You have the package? |
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| 06:43.16 | Animeking | not yet, but I'm on packages.debian.org on the laptop :S |
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| 06:44.30 | gellioth | I don't know if this work, I'll try to send it to you in file transfer, its ok? |
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| 06:44.51 | gellioth | Animeking: ? |
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| 06:45.43 | Animeking | Eh, I decline :S |
| 06:45.45 | Animeking | if i knew how to |
| 06:45.56 | relaxed | dmesg | grep firmware |
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| 06:46.35 | gellioth | how to what? |
| 06:46.42 | Animeking | rtl8192 |
| 06:46.51 | Animeking | Thank you relaxed o-o |
| 06:46.55 | relaxed | run the above to see which firmware you need, if any. |
| 06:46.57 | th3m1773n | hey all =) |
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| 06:47.20 | gellioth | ah ok, that's new for me, thanks too |
| 06:47.28 | th3m1773n | I'm wondering, can I use Debian's exim4 to receive e-mail on a VPS? |
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| 06:47.40 | th3m1773n | Some people seem to think it's a send-only MTA |
| 06:48.22 | themill | th3m1773n: exim4 is a fully featured MTA but most debian installations would only use it as send-only and not have it listening on anything other than loopback (if at all) |
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| 06:49.00 | th3m1773n | themill: alright! I'm actually trying to enable a daemon to receive email and execute a script when it does |
| 06:49.18 | th3m1773n | so I'm guessing run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
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| 06:49.55 | th3m1773n | themill: listen on both the loopback IP AND my public IP? |
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| 06:50.15 | th3m1773n | and set my e-mail domain as "recipient domain" |
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| 06:50.22 | th3m1773n | does that make sense? |
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| 06:50.34 | themill | yeah, you'd select the "Internet mail" option rather than "forward to smart host" option |
| 06:50.46 | th3m1773n | yup, so far so good |
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| 06:51.28 | th3m1773n | themill: once DNS is setup correctly and exim is configured that way, do I have any extra steps before being able to receive stuff? |
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| 06:51.31 | Akuw | hi |
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| 06:51.40 | gellioth | hi |
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| 06:53.38 | ckuehl | anyone having issues with mozilla.debian.net apt repo? I get a GPG error "The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 85A3D26506C4AE2A..." when doing aptitude update on several systems which previously had no problems |
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| 07:01.57 | Tasab | gellioth, out put of the command lsusb , not showing my external dvd ? |
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| 07:03.46 | gellioth | another usb port? |
| 07:04.14 | gellioth | Tasab: |
| 07:04.15 | Tasab | mouse , keyb , usb internet , monitoring as well |
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| 07:05.02 | gellioth | try to connect it to another port |
| 07:06.34 | gellioth | Tasab? |
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| 07:09.18 | themill | th3m1773n: if exim is listening and knows that it should accept mail to that domain and knows what to do with the mail, then all is good. |
| 07:10.17 | th3m1773n | themill: cool ^^ |
| 07:10.51 | th3m1773n | I send an email to my vps and it does indeed show something in the logs |
| 07:10.58 | th3m1773n | so it's receiving the message I guess |
| 07:11.04 | th3m1773n | But it's not ending up anywhere locally |
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| 07:11.25 | th3m1773n | that must be the local user delivery part that's a little tricky |
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| 07:18.55 | colo-work | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 85A3D26506C4AE2A Debian Mozilla team APT archive <pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 07:19.02 | colo-work | what's up with that; key rotation scheduled? |
| 07:19.31 | themill | BADSIG means the signature is bad, not that you don't have the key |
| 07:20.07 | colo-work | ah. still too early to spot such subtleties ;) |
| 07:21.00 | colo-work | so has the NSA finally infiltrated our DNS or routing infrastructure, and forgot to steal the Debian Mozilla team's signing key? :) or does the package fail to verify for you as well? |
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| 07:22.53 | zh1 | colo-work, i had same error too, so i installed a new debian and still got same error |
| 07:22.58 | zh1 | something is wrong? |
| 07:23.17 | themill | no, it looks like the archive generation script has just screwed up the name of the signature |
| 07:23.25 | colo-work | they'll probably re-issue the package with corrected sigs soon |
| 07:23.26 | zh1 | yep |
| 07:23.31 | colo-work | reinstalling anything won't be required |
| 07:23.34 | themill | s/package/Release file/ |
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| 07:26.32 | zh1 | colo-work lost 6 hours on that one today lol |
| 07:26.48 | themill | (it's a known problem and will be dealt with soon enough) |
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| 07:27.10 | zh1 | thanks |
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| 07:30.02 | babilen | zh1: A reinstall is seldom needed and shouldn't be the first thing you try if you run into a problem. |
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| 07:30.22 | zh1 | babilen i did a vm to troubleshoot |
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| 07:31.21 | zh1 | its always a pleasure installing debian again :) |
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| 07:32.41 | john_minetest | Hey :) |
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| 07:35.12 | john_minetest | I'm fiddling around with debian in a VM atm to test it out. Pretty cool. I'm used to systemd but it is kinda complicated and sysVinit's initscripts make it much easier. I got a question though: What is the best solution to prevent apache from starting at boot? Deleting all the files in the rc*.d folders? Or is there some special command for that? |
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| 07:36.27 | ChrisH | john_minetest: man update_rc.d |
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| 07:36.52 | musca | !disable services |
| 07:36.53 | dpkg | From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead. |
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| 07:37.17 | john_minetest | Oh, thx. |
| 07:37.42 | babilen | john_minetest: Why do you have it installed if you don't want to run it? |
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| 07:39.05 | john_minetest | It was installed automatically when I chose "web server". |
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| 07:39.35 | babilen | john_minetest: Why did you choose "web server" if you don't want to run one then? ;) |
| 07:39.46 | john_minetest | I wanted to run nginx. |
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| 07:40.19 | john_minetest | And apache was added automatically to the boot list. |
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| 07:40.24 | babilen | john_minetest: Okay, rather than disabling apache I would recommend to purge it from your system (which will also cause it to no longer run) and install nginx. |
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| 07:41.09 | john_minetest | Yeah, already done that. I just wanted to know for further occasions. |
| 07:41.13 | babilen | john_minetest: yes, the "web server" task installs Apache. I'd argue that you simply wrongly decided to install the web server task even though you don't actually want its packages. |
| 07:41.48 | john_minetest | Yeah. |
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| 07:42.23 | babilen | john_minetest: Okay, you didn't mention that and I just inquired because many people want to actually achieve something else when they ask about the best way to disable a service :) |
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| 07:42.43 | john_minetest | Wow, debian is pretty easy. Systemd (I'm on arch atm) makes everything so complicated. It becomes obscure what exactly happens. |
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| 08:03.16 | omid8bimo | i want to incease number of open files for a process in my server, so i did add "process_username soft nofile 10000" and "process_username hard nofile 10000" in /etc/security/limits.conf but its not applying to it. what else should i do? |
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| 08:06.21 | joq | i have debian minimal installed on my server. how can i change it to a 'normal' installation? |
| 08:07.03 | babilen | joq: What constitutes a "normal" installation? |
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| 08:08.06 | veek | how do i configure wpa_supplicant to support something like: wpa_cli essid |
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| 08:08.41 | joq | my vps provider had a minimal debian option and one without minimal |
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| 08:09.49 | joq | veek: what is that command supposed to do? my wpa_cli doesn't know that command... |
| 08:09.53 | babilen | joq: So, how do they differ? This is very specific to your VPS provider and these terms don't mean anything in the context of "normal" Debian. One thing that I can think of is that the "minimal" set doesn't include the standard task. (cf. <standard> -- /msg dpkg standard) |
| 08:10.07 | veek | joq i want to connect to a particular essid |
| 08:10.14 | veek | joq 'server name' |
| 08:10.22 | veek | joq like wpa_cli Ana |
| 08:10.44 | babilen | joq: So, talk to whoever designed those images and/or simply install whatever you are missing. |
| 08:11.12 | joq | veek: the only way I know of, is wpa_cli list_networks and then wpa_cli select_network {id} |
| 08:11.28 | joq | babilen: ok... |
| 08:11.42 | veek | joq ah yeah.. but id is a number.. and how do you even assign that.. |
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| 08:12.21 | joq | list_networks outputs a list of all configured networks along with numbers |
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| 08:13.05 | veek | identity <network id> <identity> <-- joq lemme try this |
| 08:13.24 | veek | joq ty :) also, anyway to prevent autoconnect |
| 08:13.47 | joq | don't start wpa_supplicant by default? |
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| 08:14.11 | Kingsy | I am getting an error when I try to purge a packge.. I want to totally remove it.. it says --> the following |
| 08:14.14 | Kingsy | Creating config file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-sieve.conf with new version |
| 08:14.16 | Kingsy | cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-sieve.conf': No such file or directory |
| 08:14.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about bat |
| 08:14.38 | joq | I call dhcpcd on the wireless interface when i want to connect. dhcpcd calls wpa_supplicant (at least in archlinux...^^) |
| 08:14.47 | veek | joq ah nope.. it's in a script so.. i do: dial Ana and it should connect to Ana vs connecting based on priority |
| 08:14.48 | babilen | Kingsy: Please provide the requested information in toto and also paste the complete output. |
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| 08:15.17 | joq | Kingsy: does /etc/dovecot/conf.d exist? |
| 08:15.43 | omid8bimo | i want to incease number of open files for a process in my server, so i did add "process_username soft nofile 10000" and "process_username hard nofile 10000" in /etc/security/limits.conf but its not applying to it. what else should i do? |
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| 08:15.55 | babilen | Kingsy: Also: Did you do anything to your dovecot configuration? Did you delete files or directories in there? Can you provide some historic context that might shed some light on this particular issue? |
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| 08:16.41 | Kingsy | joq: no.. thats the problem, I installed dovecot using apt-get install dovecot-common, and it got those errors. |
| 08:17.01 | Kingsy | babilen: no, I changed nothing.. the conf files were not made originally |
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| 08:19.48 | Kingsy | ok, how do I TOTALLY remove all dovecot packages? for example using --purge on them still leaves the doveconf binary behind. how do I scrap and start again with these packages? |
| 08:20.17 | babilen | Kingsy: Why don't you start at the beginning and answer all questions that still haven't been answered by you? |
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| 08:20.39 | Kingsy | ok will do 1 secon |
| 08:20.48 | babilen | bbl |
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| 08:23.00 | Kingsy | alright this is my apt-cache output --> http://paste.debian.net/96515/ |
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| 08:24.20 | zophy | where is iceweasel configured as the default browser ? i want to change it to a firefox version i have |
| 08:24.22 | zophy | ? |
| 08:25.07 | zophy | i didn't see any mention of icewesel with update-alternatives |
| 08:25.27 | babilen | doubts that |
| 08:25.27 | zophy | so... mebbe it's a gnome thing |
| 08:26.06 | babilen | zophy: Iceweasel is Firefox - Maybe you should just use that and don't try to integrate FF into your system when the work has already been done for you? |
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| 08:26.19 | IvelfanFr | Salut tout le monde |
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| 08:26.58 | neosimago | kingsley: have you considered the command #apt-get purge dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-mpop3d |
| 08:27.05 | babilen | zophy: And yes, your preferred browser is configured in multiple places (x-www-browser, gnome-www-browser, within Gnome itself, ...) |
| 08:27.48 | zophy | babilen, i like to use the cutting edge death defying ~~~Nightly~~~ firefox |
| 08:27.50 | babilen | Kingsy: That is still far from the information that has been requested and, in particular, lacks your commands and the entirety of your output. I also don't see "apt-cache policy"'s output anywhere. |
| 08:28.05 | babilen | zophy: So install it from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 08:28.35 | babilen | zophy: That gets you up to the aurora release channel which should be more than fine |
| 08:29.10 | Kingsy | neosimago: I have purged all of the packages now.. according to apt-get dovecot is not installed.. however apt-get install dovecot-common fails. |
| 08:29.13 | zophy | babilen, i still want to know where it is configured |
| 08:29.19 | Kingsy | babilen: I think I will have to do this later. |
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| 08:29.29 | Kingsy | I can just use mutt on the server for now :) |
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| 08:29.49 | petern_ | You make it sound like mutt is a work-around instead of final solution :D |
| 08:29.50 | babilen | zophy: Yes, multiple places in the alternatives system (mentioned them before) + Gnome itself + ??? |
| 08:30.23 | neosimago | babilen: is correct with looking up policy for where your dovecot packages are being taken from for policy Kingsy |
| 08:30.25 | Kingsy | petern_: haha true true |
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| 08:34.57 | Kingsy | babilen: thanks for your help.. I'll come back to this :) |
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| 08:36.10 | babilen | Kingsy: I just don't want to start doing *anything* if you don't provide more information. Your /var/log/apt/history.log would also be interesting |
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| 08:37.14 | Kingsy | babilen: yeah I totally understand.. you need to know whats going on to help! :) I'll grab some info a little later on. hehe I have work to do and this is just my personal crap |
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| 08:44.57 | rozie | hello. I have warning about iceweasel from mozilla debian team |
| 08:45.00 | rozie | http://paste.debian.net/96516/ |
| 08:45.28 | rozie | pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring 1.1 is installed |
| 08:45.55 | rozie | and - according to information on http://mozilla.debian.net/ - is sufficient |
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| 08:46.19 | somiaj | rozie: seems the keys for m.d.n have been updated, you are not alone in having verification issues with their packges/servers |
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| 08:47.34 | rozie | somiaj: thx. that's interesing. apt-key shows key should be valid until 2019-11-13 (pretty long...) |
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| 08:48.38 | somiaj | rozie: I have seen others have similar issues. I wonder if the keys were regenerated due to the recent security bugs (thought not sure if they use openssl keys or not) |
| 08:49.14 | owl-v- | how do i install debian on mac mini(core 2 dual)? |
| 08:49.15 | babilen | rozie: it's a known issue and will be fixed |
| 08:49.31 | rozie | well, maybe because of heartbleed they decided to change gpg keys as well |
| 08:49.33 | babilen | rozie: The Release file is broken and there is nothing you can do right now |
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| 08:49.37 | owl-v- | i tried refit ann it failed |
| 08:49.53 | tomodachi | owl-v-: failed how? |
| 08:49.55 | owl-v- | refit failed to boot live os |
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| 08:50.17 | owl-v- | and failed to boot installer |
| 08:50.31 | somiaj | owl-v-: is this mac mini the older ppc mac or is it the newer i386 mac? |
| 08:50.43 | somiaj | owl-v-: how did you make the installer? |
| 08:50.45 | owl-v- | core 2 duo |
| 08:50.58 | owl-v- | core 2 |
| 08:51.14 | somiaj | duh missed that, yea i386 or amd64 images should work, though I think you need efi booting |
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| 08:51.25 | owl-v- | mm...maybe ... dual core 2? |
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| 08:51.58 | somiaj | owl-v-: yea I missed that, that is an intel chip, anyways how did you make this install medium that you are trying to boot? |
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| 08:52.15 | rozie | babilen: thx. |
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| 08:54.45 | owl-v- | somiaj: i made usb installer using unetbootin software with default live cd |
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| 08:55.21 | somiaj | owl-v-: that is probabaly your problem there, debian isos are already bootable and unetbootin seems to bug them out because it then tries to make them bootable |
| 08:55.29 | somiaj | owl-v-: what os are you writing this usb image from? |
| 08:55.51 | owl-v- | osx snow leopard |
| 08:55.57 | somiaj | owl-v-: oh the live-cd's might not work, they don't have efi booting by default (I think mac mini's require efi booting) but the wheezy install images are already set up for efi boot |
| 08:56.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell owl-v- -about usb install |
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| 08:56.42 | babilen | owl-v-: unetbootin just messes up our images as somiaj says. You just have to write the data *directly* to your disk which can be done with cp on OSX too, but i forgot the path to the device. |
| 08:56.46 | somiaj | owl-v-: just 'cp file.iso /dev/sdc' (assuming /dev/sdc is your usb drive, fix that for how ever mac os allows direct write to the drive) |
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| 08:57.07 | babilen | somiaj: Let's find out and update the factoid ! :) |
| 08:57.17 | somiaj | babilen: also doesn't he need efi booting for mac's so the live images won't work? |
| 08:57.50 | babilen | diskutil would come in handy here |
| 08:58.23 | babilen | somiaj: I haven't played with any recent Mac hardware nor do I use the live images for installing Debian -- can't really answer that question |
| 08:59.01 | owl-v- | i also tried with cd-disk1 image burned into dvd. mac didn't find bootable disk?? |
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| 08:59.06 | somiaj | owl-v-: well if the live images don't work (I am almost certain they don't have an efi boot partition) you will have to use the offical debian installer images as they are set up with efi parttion already. |
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| 09:00.36 | babilen | owl-v-: Okay, run "diskutil list" to get a list of your deviced after inserting the usb stick and then "cp /path/to/the/debian.iso /dev/rdiskN" (rdisk is said to be faster than /dev/disk) with the correct number there. (make sure to unmount any mounted filesystem on the stick with "diskutil unmountDisk /dev/diskN") |
| 09:00.44 | owl-v- | sudden black screen shows two lines of option too boot, but nothing works. |
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| 09:02.28 | babilen | owl-v-: Are you using the images from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ? (the latter comes with firmware) |
| 09:02.37 | ws2k3 | Hello, i just installed a debian machine, and now i'm trying to mount my nfs server. but complains about rpc.statd is not running but when i do ps -aux|grep rpc.statd i see 6 rpc.stad --no-notify processes |
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| 09:04.07 | ChrisH | ws2k3: what kind of NFS Server? run rpcinfo -p and rpcinfo -p NFS-server and check for status and lock |
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| 09:07.17 | ws2k3 | ChrisH nfs server has around 100 clients connected now so i know pretty sure server is fine, rpcinfo -p shows me 2 status processes and 7 portmapper processes nfsinfo -p NFS-server shows nothing |
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| 09:08.26 | owl-v- | babilen: it doen't show if it is free or none-free. i got it from webpage |
| 09:08.38 | ChrisH | ws2k3: 1. What OS has the NFS-Server? and 2. looks like you cannot reach the NFS-Server or it does not answer your client. |
| 09:09.13 | babilen | owl-v-: The name of the file should give an indication -- But are you using any of the 7.5.0 images linked there? |
| 09:09.30 | owl-v- | i got it from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 09:09.36 | ws2k3 | ChrisH the nfs server is Freebsd i can ping the nfs server also when i do showmount -e nfsserver its shows all the nfs shares that can be mounted |
| 09:09.47 | owl-v- | core 2 duo should be 64bit |
| 09:10.08 | babilen | owl-v-: Or to phrase it differently: My recommendation would be to use the non-free netinstall image (if you are connected to the internet) to your USB with the procedure I outlined above. |
| 09:10.12 | owl-v- | yes, 7.4 |
| 09:10.15 | ws2k3 | also alot of ubuntu servers are currently mounted to the same server/share and that works just fine |
| 09:10.44 | babilen | owl-v-: No, 7.5 and also not the live images but the normal installer images -- The answer to my question qould therefore be "No" |
| 09:10.54 | owl-v- | i do have ethernet connected |
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| 09:11.21 | babilen | owl-v-: Okay, try the non-free 7.5.0 netinst image then and create the USB stick as outlined above |
| 09:11.39 | owl-v- | what is this bt-hybrid and iso-hybrid? |
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| 09:14.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell owl-v- -about hybrid images |
| 09:15.34 | babilen | owl-v-: bt == bittorrent -- I *still* recommend to use the normal installer images and, in particular, the netinst one on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 09:15.41 | owl-v- | um.. amd64 or ia64? |
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| 09:16.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell owl-v- -about ia64 |
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| 09:16.16 | nevyn | did you buy it from hp as integrity? |
| 09:16.22 | nevyn | if not then amd64 |
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| 09:16.37 | owl-v- | nevyn: mac mini |
| 09:17.01 | nevyn | read what dpkg said. |
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| 09:18.06 | owl-v- | i don't see cdimage.debian.org/cdimage |
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| 09:19.15 | babilen | owl-v-: I gave you the URLs in question twice already |
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| 09:22.50 | ws2k3 | Any an idea why i'm Unable to mount the nfs server ? |
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| 09:24.00 | owl-v- | babilen: amd64/iso-cd/ is empty; trying bt.. |
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| 09:24.33 | babilen | owl-v-: It is not |
| 09:25.02 | owl-v- | babilen: bt-cd torrent.. Track returned error: torrent not found |
| 09:25.17 | babilen | owl-v-: Which URL exactly? cdimage is also not the same box for all of us, so a specific host might have to be chosen (as the new images might not be available everywhere) |
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| 09:25.46 | owl-v- | babilen: iso-cd showed up. very slow~ |
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| 09:31.10 | owl-v- | iso image sha1 and md5 looks good |
| 09:31.23 | Dry_Lips | Anyone else getting an error message when trying to install the latest update of Iceweasel from the backport? |
| 09:31.39 | Dry_Lips | Something about invalid signatures... |
| 09:32.17 | babilen | Dry_Lips: Yes, known issue and will be fixed. Nothing you can do about it. |
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| 09:32.28 | Dry_Lips | babilen: ok, cheers |
| 09:32.36 | babilen | Dry_Lips: Sorry for that |
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| 09:35.09 | owl-v- | crossing fingers |
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| 09:36.08 | owl-v- | :-( |
| 09:36.23 | ws2k3 | when i use mount with -o nolock htn i am able to mount the nfs share but what does this mean ? |
| 09:36.32 | owl-v- | how do i make bootable usb without unetbootin? |
| 09:36.58 | owl-v- | error: not found from localdevicepath |
| 09:38.03 | owl-v- | the firmware refused to boot from selected volume. note that external hard drives are not well-supported by apple's firmware for legacy os booting |
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| 09:38.40 | owl-v- | it said hit any key, but it froze. |
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| 09:39.57 | babilen | owl-v-: I just told you. Could you paste your exact commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:40.20 | babilen | (used to create the usb install disk) |
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| 09:42.14 | owl-v- | babilen: um.. what commands? |
| 09:42.36 | babilen | owl-v-: Your "diskutil list", "cp /path/to ..." (and so on) |
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| 09:45.20 | owl-v- | wait; i can just copy iso to usb just like that? |
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| 09:48.40 | babilen | owl-v-: Did you read my earlier message ? |
| 09:48.56 | babilen | owl-v-: You not only can copy it like that you *should* :) |
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| 09:50.09 | owl-v- | i did read, but i thought i had to use dd. |
| 09:50.24 | owl-v- | cp uses dd? |
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| 09:54.35 | babilen | owl-v-: Why do you think that you would have to use dd? You just copy data from one place to another. dd is really not needed for that. |
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| 09:54.55 | babilen | In fact dd would be slower by default than cp as it doesn't automagically scale its blocksize |
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| 09:56.33 | owl-v- | babilen: same output |
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| 09:58.58 | ChrisH | ws2k3: did you run rpcinfo -p nfs-server ? |
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| 09:59.36 | babilen | owl-v-: I haven't seen any output at all. Could you *please* paste all your commands and their respective output to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL? |
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| 10:01.05 | owl-v- | output from rEFInd: https://www.refheap.com/83692 |
| 10:01.41 | babilen | owl-v-: I was referring to the commands you used to create your USB stick |
| 10:01.49 | babilen | (just in case that wasn't clear) |
| 10:01.59 | owl-v- | there was no output. it was silent. |
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| 10:02.49 | babilen | owl-v-: I doubt that "diskutil list" is silent |
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| 10:03.15 | babilen | but meh .. I have no intention of pulling your teeth anymore |
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| 10:07.19 | owl-v- | oh. the diskutil list shows the usb is disk1 |
| 10:07.33 | owl-v- | there is disk0 and disk1 |
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| 10:08.19 | babilen | owl-v-: So, could you now *please* paste *all* your commands your use(d) to create your usb stick and their output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:10.26 | Xavier89 | Hi. Anyone know how to start eggdrop from any directory? |
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| 10:13.36 | owl-v- | babilen: https://www.refheap.com/83694 |
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| 10:17.03 | babilen | owl-v-: And the rest? (the umount, cp, ...) |
| 10:17.27 | babilen | owl-v-: Which one of those did appear after you plugged in your stick? |
| 10:17.38 | babilen | (/dev/disk1?) |
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| 10:19.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | What's the recommended way to make the Debian install CD ISO into a _writable_ USB stick? |
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| 10:19.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Just add another partition? |
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| 10:20.04 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: What part of the installer should be writeable? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:20.16 | owl-v- | it's disk1 |
| 10:20.31 | owl-v- | 8gb usb flash |
| 10:21.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: the final purpose is to remaster the install media to customize it for automatic installing / preseeding |
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| 10:22.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | And converting it to a USB stick seems easier to manage than bootable hybrid ISOs. |
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| 10:25.36 | babilen | owl-v-: So ... copy the image to the stick then? |
| 10:25.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, I just found this... https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 10:26.33 | owl-v- | babilen: cp is silent |
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| 10:27.22 | owl-v- | " cp Downoald/firmware-watever-debian.iso /rdisk1 " |
| 10:27.23 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: Yes, but I don't see a way to customize it that way. Have you already looked into FAI? |
| 10:28.00 | babilen | owl-v-: /dev/rdisk1 ? |
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| 10:28.36 | babilen | owl-v-: Please paste your *exact* commands and their output (or lack thereof) to http://paste.debian.net .. all of them and also run "diskutil list" at the end |
| 10:28.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: briefly, I should try it. |
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| 10:30.16 | babilen | owl-v-: Seriously, it is not that hard and actually allows me to help you. This is getting increasingly frustrating btw |
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| 10:30.35 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: I didn't have that task to tackle yet, but I heard it's the way to go. |
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| 10:31.24 | h4k1m | hi guys |
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| 10:31.31 | h4k1m | I have debian installed on a server |
| 10:31.53 | h4k1m | on which I have installed a certain service but when I want to start it it gives me: |
| 10:32.00 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 10:32.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:32.04 | h4k1m | Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service scrapyd restart |
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| 10:32.20 | h4k1m | Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service scrapyd restart |
| 10:32.20 | babilen | h4k1m: Yes, exactly |
| 10:32.31 | h4k1m | Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) and then start(8) utilities, e.g. stop scrapyd ; start scrapyd. The restart(8) utility is also available. |
| 10:32.42 | h4k1m | babilen, how do I do to start it in this case? |
| 10:32.52 | babilen | h4k1m: Which service is that? |
| 10:33.10 | h4k1m | babilen, scrapyd a deployer for scrapy crawlers |
| 10:33.15 | owl-v- | babilen: https://www.refheap.com/83698 |
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| 10:34.29 | babilen | h4k1m: I can't seem to find that, which package is that from? Could you also paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy THATPACKAGE" to http://paste.debian.net along with your commands and the entirety of their output to http://paste.debian.net ? Also include that service's init script. |
| 10:34.56 | h4k1m | babilen, ok one minute please |
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| 10:35.56 | Xavier89 | Hi. Anyone know how to start eggdrop from any directory? |
| 10:36.15 | babilen | owl-v-: Hmm, could you try "dd if=Downloads/firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk1 bs=1m" and then "diskutil list" please? |
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| 10:36.32 | h4k1m | babilen, the package has been installed with: apt-get install scrapyd |
| 10:36.41 | h4k1m | babilen |
| 10:37.26 | babilen | h4k1m: Okay, include "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy scrapyd" in that case |
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| 10:37.39 | h4k1m | babilen, it's in archive.scrapy.org/ubuntu |
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| 10:38.10 | babilen | h4k1m: Why don't you just paste all requested information and we can take it from there? :) |
| 10:38.16 | h4k1m | babilen, where should I add it (I dont use debian quite often) |
| 10:38.26 | babilen | add what? |
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| 10:40.42 | owl-v- | babilen: https://www.refheap.com/83702 |
| 10:40.49 | kikimeter | hi guys, How can I install liblcms2-2 on debian ? |
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| 10:40.55 | kikimeter | E: Unable to locate package liblcms2-2 |
| 10:41.06 | kikimeter | when I do : apt-get install liblcms2-2 |
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| 10:41.20 | babilen | owl-v-: Okay, that looks fine too. What happens if you boot from it now? (or before from the one created with cp) |
| 10:41.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell kikimeter -about bat |
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| 10:42.01 | ChrisH | h4k1m,babilen I assume he wants to install that package as describe here http://doc.scrapy.org/en/latest/topics/ubuntu.html#topics-ubuntu But its not recommended to add some weird lines into sources.list[/.d] |
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| 10:42.57 | babilen | ChrisH: Yes, I assume that scrapy's packages aren't meant to be used nor compatible with Debian, but I'd like to see the whole picture first |
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| 10:43.24 | babilen | They are, quite explictly, stating "Ubuntu" all over the place so you can't really blame them for that |
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| 10:43.37 | h4k1m | CherisH, It's scrapyd (the daemon) not scrapy |
| 10:43.45 | h4k1m | I mean the service not the python lib |
| 10:43.53 | finga_ | how can i install the latest php5.3 on debian wheezy? |
| 10:43.59 | h4k1m | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/96530/ |
| 10:44.25 | h4k1m | CherisH, is it because the repo is from ubunut? |
| 10:44.30 | owl-v- | same error: error: not found returned from legacy loader.... |
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| 10:45.00 | babilen | h4k1m: So, and the output of your commands and those that actually exemplify the situation? What about the init script? |
| 10:45.02 | ChrisH | h4k1m: more "for Ubunutu" then from ubuntu... but yes thats the issue and it's not recommended |
| 10:45.25 | babilen | h4k1m: But then i am about to say: These are unsupported third-party packages not meant to be used with Debian and certainly not supported by us. |
| 10:45.38 | owl-v- | same as this one: https://www.refheap.com/83692 |
| 10:45.41 | kikimeter | I explain my problem; on my server automatic dist-upgrade uninstall my jenkins. I have two choice to solve my problem, install liblcms2-2 before dist-upgrade or stop automatic dist-upgrade until the problem will be fix |
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| 10:46.06 | babilen | owl-v-: What's the exact error? Could you try copying to /dev/disk1 rather than /dev/rdisk1 ? |
| 10:46.21 | babilen | kikimeter: Show us please |
| 10:46.36 | kikimeter | https://github.com/turnkeylinux/tracker/issues/202 |
| 10:46.37 | h4k1m | babilen, you mean if I run the /etc/init.d/scrapyd script? |
| 10:47.33 | kikimeter | babilen: What do I have to show you? |
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| 10:48.15 | babilen | kikimeter: The output of dist-upgrade and apt-cache policy for jenkins and liblcms2-2 along with "apt-cache policy" would be a start |
| 10:48.27 | babilen | h4k1m: for example (and everything else you deem relevant) |
| 10:48.48 | babilen | h4k1m: But then, your issue is most likely that you are using Ubuntu packages on your Debian box. |
| 10:49.17 | h4k1m | babilen, maybe thanks for the help |
| 10:49.27 | h4k1m | I ll try to install it from source it I can |
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| 10:52.32 | kikimeter | babilen, turnkey try to figure out whats going on. But the log from /var/log/apt removing openjdk and jenkins http://paste.debian.net/plain/96533 |
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| 10:52.56 | kikimeter | on https://github.com/turnkeylinux/tracker/issues/202 their discribe the investigation |
| 10:53.23 | kikimeter | for know I’m going to stop automatic update and wait |
| 10:53.44 | kikimeter | that a better solution than just try to install liblcms2-2 before dist-upgrade |
| 10:53.54 | owl-v- | babilen: disk1 https://www.refheap.com/83705 |
| 10:54.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell kikimeter -about turnkey |
| 10:54.19 | babilen | kikimeter: Please ask them, it is not supported in here |
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| 10:54.40 | h4k1m | babilen, event if I install from github source, is there an ease way to generate the service for the exec? |
| 10:54.57 | kikimeter | yes, but I’m here to have some help to stop automatic update |
| 10:55.08 | kikimeter | maybe editing cron daily |
| 10:55.42 | kikimeter | and turnkey is based on debian 6 and debian 7 not ubuntu |
| 10:55.46 | babilen | owl-v-: Does running "sync" after copying it change anything? And you should be able to just use cp in lieu of dd. But I have to confess that I am not sure how to continue as I am not familiar with mac hardware |
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| 10:56.49 | owl-v- | babilen: rEFInd don't have sync option :( |
| 10:57.06 | babilen | kikimeter: It is also a *very* turnkey specific problem ... We only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. This does *not* include *any* of Debian's many derivatives |
| 10:57.21 | kikimeter | yes babilen |
| 10:57.41 | babilen | owl-v-: I meant the "sync" as in "sync buffers and flush all data that needs to be written" |
| 10:57.42 | kikimeter | but where is the best channel to get some help about debian ? |
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| 10:58.01 | babilen | kikimeter: You are *not* using Debian but turnkey and their channel is #turnkey |
| 10:58.01 | kikimeter | I don’t come here to solve turnkey problem |
| 10:58.36 | kikimeter | I come here to install a lib on debian |
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| 10:59.06 | kikimeter | An unstable lib |
| 10:59.19 | kikimeter | liblcms2-2 |
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| 10:59.30 | kikimeter | that’s it |
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| 10:59.55 | kikimeter | I explaine the reason why I need to install this lib on my custom debian |
| 11:00.09 | babilen | kikimeter: So, once again: Please show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy liblcms2-2" on the box you are trying to install it on along with the output of "apt-get install liblcms2-2" |
| 11:00.33 | owl-v- | didn't change |
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| 11:02.06 | kikimeter | babilen, I’ve found another temporary solution. Commenting cron-apt cron, until turnkey sort out what is going on... |
| 11:02.14 | kikimeter | thank you for your help |
| 11:02.55 | themill | kikimeter: and yet you were claiming it was debian not turnkey... |
| 11:03.13 | kikimeter | come on |
| 11:03.38 | kikimeter | next time I will come here and ask some help to install a lib |
| 11:03.57 | kikimeter | I will shut my mouse about the reason why I want to install this lib |
| 11:04.07 | kikimeter | every time is the same |
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| 11:04.48 | themill | kikimeter: you have a turnkey problem not a debian problem. Please just ask in the right place rather than telling us that you will lie to us in the future |
| 11:04.53 | kikimeter | no |
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| 11:05.03 | themill | yes |
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| 11:09.56 | Selfarian | Hi |
| 11:10.53 | Selfarian | is there an issue with the apache2-mpm-itk package? today i run aptitude update/upgrade and this package was updated and now i get an "No apache MPM package installed" when i try to stop/start/reload/restart apache |
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| 11:16.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | petn-randall: I seem to have figured it out... one just needs to install extlinux, install a generic MBR and create an extlinux.cfg symlink in isolinux/, assuming you rsync the ISO to an ext4 filesystem |
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| 11:22.04 | cast | is it just me, or does pam_cracklib make no sense |
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| 11:23.56 | rjsalts | cast: just you I think |
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| 11:27.33 | cast | how would one enforce, say, at least upper, lower and a digit in a at least 10 character long password? |
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| 11:29.10 | rjsalts | cast: that's not what pam_cracklib does, it just looks at the plain text and sees if it's in the password list |
| 11:29.46 | petn-randall | Eduard_Munteanu: You can also boot an ISO via grub, but you won't be able to customize it that way. |
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| 11:30.35 | rjsalts | cast: well, dictionary words combined in the way that cracklib generates password lists |
| 11:32.12 | cast | rjsalts: it does more than that |
| 11:32.21 | cast | rjsalts: it has a password complexity credit system |
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| 11:36.41 | rjsalts | cast: minlen=10 dcredit=-1 ucredit=-1 lcredit=-1 |
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| 11:37.06 | rjsalts | cast: it's in man pam_cracklib |
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| 11:38.47 | buu | cast: Why don't you just enforce a 15+ character password and let them choose an easy to remember phrase? |
| 11:39.40 | petern_ | There's also pam_passwdqc which you might be interested in. |
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| 11:40.15 | cast | buu: i suspect thats one case where cracklibs convoluted credit system has a use, can have long simple passwords, or short complex [key space wise] passwords |
| 11:40.56 | cast | rjsalts: so in that example, minlen gets a bonus +1 due to credits not being disabled, which means if a user has just d+u+l they'll need 11? |
| 11:41.08 | cast | [they'll need 11 characters] |
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| 11:41.33 | cast | petern_: yeah...i think it may be the more straightforward module :) |
| 11:42.06 | rjsalts | cast: don't think so, if the numbers are negative it just means "This is the minimum number of characters of this class" |
| 11:42.30 | rjsalts | cast: at least that's what the man page implies |
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| 11:45.13 | AlexPortable | What is better, store data in /home/user/public_html/ or store it in /home/public_html/ ? |
| 11:46.28 | cast | AlexPortable: its arbitrary, either is fine. /var/www is popular, too. ~/public_html is commonly used to allow each user to have their own website [if multiple users have shell access, for example] |
| 11:47.06 | rjsalts | AlexPortable: I also like /srv/www/example.org or /srv/http/example.org |
| 11:47.18 | AlexPortable | with the latter can people access other websites than their own? |
| 11:47.43 | cast | which people |
| 11:48.13 | AlexPortable | other people on the server who have shell acess |
| 11:48.15 | AlexPortable | access* |
| 11:48.24 | petern_ | If you set appropriate permissions, there's no difference. |
| 11:48.29 | rjsalts | AlexPortable: and permissions to write to the file/directory |
| 11:48.54 | petern_ | By default users can read other users' files anyway. |
| 11:49.20 | buu | petern_++ # "users'" |
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| 11:51.05 | xterm | Hello, I have a problem with my time settings, for some reaosn why i dpk-reconfigure tzdata and pick the correct timezone, it shows that it's still one hour behidn the actual time (recently changed due to daylight savings, but its still old time) |
| 11:51.43 | gregor2 | what happens if you uninstall openjdk-jre? |
| 11:52.06 | xterm | (Is that intended to me?) |
| 11:52.06 | AlexPortable | ok |
| 11:52.10 | AlexPortable | sudo printf %s\\n |
| 11:52.30 | AlexPortable | when i use this and i use "text" "text2", text2 gets on a new line right? |
| 11:53.29 | gregor2 | i uninstalled openjdk-jre and everything is fucked up! |
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| 11:55.35 | gregor2 | why?/ |
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| 11:56.16 | rjsalts | gregor2: you're trying to run a java program? |
| 11:56.22 | gregor2 | no |
| 11:56.51 | rjsalts | gregor2: then uninstalling the jre shouldn't do anything |
| 11:57.00 | gregor2 | not? |
| 11:57.06 | babilen | xterm: Which tzdata version and which timezone? Do you use NTP? |
| 11:57.18 | gregor2 | NTP? |
| 11:57.21 | gregor2 | whats that? |
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| 11:58.16 | rjsalts | xterm: and is the clock set to UTC or local ( usually if you dual boot with MS windows OS ) |
| 11:58.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell gregor2 about ntp |
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| 11:59.49 | gregor2 | ah |
| 11:59.51 | gregor2 | yes i am |
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| 12:00.33 | petern_ | gregor2, that question about NTP was not directed at you. |
| 12:02.14 | xterm | rjsalts: I'm sorry, which clock exactly? the system is reporting EEST which is the local time. |
| 12:02.16 | gregor2 | oh |
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| 12:02.58 | rjsalts | xterm: the hardware clock |
| 12:03.16 | babilen | xterm: Are you dual booting MS Windows? What do you have in /etc/adjtime ? What are the answers to my previous questions? |
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| 12:04.05 | petern_ | bahs at bugs in Mono. |
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| 12:05.30 | xterm | babilen: Sorry i missed your post, I don't dual boot windows, even though grub caught a windows partition for some reason (I *used* to have one, but then i reformatted the entire disk). adjtime is reporting 541.361196 1398318563 0.000000, 1398318563, LOCAL |
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| 12:05.38 | xterm | I'll check the version of tzdata now. |
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| 12:05.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell xterm -about utc |
| 12:06.16 | babilen | xterm: Set that to UTC in lieu of local and set your hardware clock accordingly |
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| 12:06.55 | babilen | s/local/LOCAL/ that is |
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| 12:07.09 | xterm | I'll do that, thanks. |
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| 12:09.46 | eristisk | But hey, what happened to https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/iceweasel_29.0-1.html ? |
| 12:09.50 | eristisk | It disappeared, or...? |
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| 12:11.47 | jelly | eristisk: of course it did, that's the point of NEW |
| 12:11.50 | AlexPortable | I have a case $res3 in |
| 12:11.58 | AlexPortable | and then y|Y) echo "hi"; |
| 12:12.05 | AlexPortable | and the next line *) echo "none"; |
| 12:12.08 | jelly | eristisk: soon to be in http://incoming.debian.org/, and then in unstable |
| 12:12.09 | eristisk | jelly: But why is it not in sid or at least experimental |
| 12:12.17 | AlexPortable | but I get; unexpected symbol ')' |
| 12:12.19 | AlexPortable | why is this? |
| 12:12.43 | eristisk | jelly: Sorry, I am ignorant of the pathway pre-sid. FTP Masters first upload to new, then it goes to incoming, and THEN sid? |
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| 12:13.50 | jelly | eristisk: I don't know the details either, but it seems to be like that when the package has to go thru NEW at all |
| 12:14.15 | jelly | so it is in incoming yet? :-) |
| 12:14.20 | jelly | is it* |
| 12:15.16 | jelly | eristisk: I thought NEW was the queue _for_ ftp masters to check when new orig.tar.gz happes, not a queue filled _by_ them |
| 12:15.42 | eristisk | http://incoming.debian.org/iceweasel-dbg_29.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 12:15.45 | jelly | !NEW |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | methinks new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the <incoming> system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html . Packages that are in the NEW queue cannot be downloaded, because they have not yet been checked to see if they are allowed to be distributed by the Debian project. http://wiki.debian.org/NewQueue |
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| 12:15.50 | eristisk | Hmm, yeah I should read up about this |
| 12:16.07 | eristisk | Ah ok |
| 12:16.25 | eristisk | Package maintainers upload to NEW and then FTP Masters check them. |
| 12:16.29 | eristisk | Not sure how incoming --> sid works |
| 12:16.31 | jelly | !incoming |
| 12:16.31 | dpkg | i guess incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable (see <break>) but can be obtained from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/resources.html#incoming-system |
| 12:16.41 | jelly | eristisk: I think that's more automated |
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| 12:23.55 | xterm | for the one who helped me with the time issue, thanks, it worked fine. (sorry lost your handle) |
| 12:24.14 | babilen | xterm: You are welcome :) |
| 12:24.42 | xterm | babilen: have a nice day! |
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| 12:24.51 | babilen | nods towards rjsalts |
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| 12:52.01 | robde | hello, sorry for this noob question: I’m trying to set the owner for a directory with `chown robde MyDirectory`, but it’s still root when I list the directory afterward |
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| 12:52.41 | robde | being logged in as root |
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| 12:53.24 | karimb | robde, maybe a nfs share? |
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| 13:06.31 | undead_rattler | never mind, it magically fixed itself. |
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| 13:20.21 | SirLagz | is ext4 mounted with utf8 charset by default ? |
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| 13:24.14 | juniorsa | Hi I have APP_WHITELIST="pop-3 ident" in my /etc/rkhunter.conf file and I still get warnigs everyday :) any suggestions? Rootkit Hunter 1.4.0Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
| 13:24.37 | jelly | SirLagz: ext4 is encoding-agnostic, it does not care which bytes in filenames mean what |
| 13:24.39 | thrownull | what would you recommend as a tool that will periodically make a backup of each user's ~/doc/ ~/pass/ ~/.gnupg/ , gpg encrypt it to given key and save in give directory? possibly calling post and pre script, e.g. to email/ftp upload the gpg |
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| 13:27.18 | themill | thrownull: obnam has an excellent reputation; there are lots of other tools that can do that too |
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| 13:34.38 | SirLagz | jelly: I was trying to work out why my files that had chinese characters weren't displaying right. I just forgot to install the fonts =/ |
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| 13:40.50 | Guest213O3 | hi there is there any cool extension or the possibility to extend xfwm4 in a tiling window managing system, im getting sick of how it manages windows |
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| 13:50.50 | eugenmayer | suddently, when using libreoffice to convert something to pdf, iam missing arialMT. It seems like this started when using libreoffice 4.2, or maybe i removed a package. Anything known like this? |
| 13:50.54 | juniorsa | Hi I have APP_WHITELIST="pop-3 ident" in my /etc/rkhunter.conf file and I still get warnigs everydayany suggestions? Rootkit Hunter 1.4.0Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
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| 13:51.45 | Guest213O3 | abrotman: yea, or improvve xfwm4 anyways to have it more like awesome cause i heard there are problems to switch to other wm's. |
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| 13:59.56 | AlexPortable | is there an easy way to setup sftp and ditch ftp? |
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| 14:00.21 | jelly | AlexPortable: sftp is enabled for users by default if openssh-server is installed. |
| 14:00.32 | AlexPortable | erm i mean |
| 14:00.34 | AlexPortable | chrooted sftp |
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| 14:02.10 | abrotman | AlexPortable: read the damn documentation .. try google, just once. |
| 14:02.19 | AlexPortable | i did |
| 14:02.42 | AlexPortable | i followed this tutorial but it wasnt working http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/ |
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| 14:03.06 | AlexPortable | the tutorial uses /sftp/ |
| 14:03.09 | AlexPortable | but i want /home/user/ |
| 14:03.49 | nonconvergent | There's no wifi at work at the moment, so I plugged my laptop in to the ethernet, and while it shows a connection in network-manager, it doesn't switch over unless I restart (either turning off wifi on the laptop before rebooting or leaving the ethernet plugged in while rebooting) |
| 14:05.17 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: Define "doesn't work" and you don't want to use /home/user/ like that because that will dump all the chroot stuff into your home. |
| 14:05.36 | AlexPortable | well it cant connect |
| 14:05.45 | AlexPortable | I want people only to be able to access their home dir |
| 14:05.55 | AlexPortable | when they connect via sftp, they should see their home directory |
| 14:06.02 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: I have a local chroot at $HOME/.chroot |
| 14:06.13 | AlexPortable | ? |
| 14:07.16 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: the chroot directory is essential / for the chroot. Do you know what goes in root? because that's what you'd be dumping your your $HOME |
| 14:07.32 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 14:07.36 | nonconvergent | s/(essential)/$1ly/ |
| 14:07.42 | AlexPortable | so can i create a /chroot/ directory |
| 14:07.50 | AlexPortable | but still have people only access their /home/username/ ? |
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| 14:09.17 | caraconan | Hi there. How can I list runlevels where a script is configured to start using a command? Thanks |
| 14:09.27 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: I haven't read the document, but sure. Easy way would be to setup the chroot to mount bind the user's $HOME there. |
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| 14:09.53 | AlexPortable | how can i do that? |
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| 14:10.00 | nonconvergent | google |
| 14:10.24 | themill | caraconan: "ls" is sufficient but there are things like sysv-rc-conf that can pretty print that if you want. |
| 14:10.43 | themill | caraconan: (debian doesn't make any distinction between run levels by default) |
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| 14:11.31 | caraconan | themill: thanks |
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| 14:11.33 | nonconvergent | Any who, I'm over here if someone knows why I can't connect to ethernet after wireless without rebooting, or how to at least restart whichever service that needs it. |
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| 14:12.38 | DammitJim | what is the proper way to give a new user access to copy files to another user's directory? |
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| 14:13.08 | linedash | hey folks |
| 14:13.12 | DammitJim | hi linedash |
| 14:13.20 | DammitJim | let me help you so you can help me ;) |
| 14:13.37 | linedash | to save me some digging, anyone know how to get haswell graphics working under wheezy? |
| 14:13.50 | nonconvergent | DammitJim: most files are at least rwxr-xr-x |
| 14:13.55 | linedash | already tried installing the 3.13 kernel from backports but still no 3d acceleration |
| 14:14.12 | linedash | gnome3 still goes into fallback mode because of it |
| 14:14.19 | DammitJim | nonconvergent, I mean I don't want the user to write to other directories |
| 14:14.42 | nonconvergent | DammitJim: And they can't. |
| 14:14.56 | DammitJim | oh man, can't help you with that one... sid works with haswell I believe |
| 14:15.26 | DammitJim | nonconvergent, so, I want user x be able to copy files (from another computer) to /home/user/tmp/ |
| 14:15.31 | AlexPortable | Subsystem sftp2 internal-sftp |
| 14:15.31 | AlexPortable | Match Group sftp2 |
| 14:15.35 | AlexPortable | but when i want to add the user; |
| 14:15.39 | DammitJim | but user x cannot copy files to /home/user/priv/ |
| 14:15.40 | AlexPortable | usermod: group 'sftp2' does not exist |
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| 14:15.51 | linedash | actually; sod it - we'll go to jessie and see if it solves the problem.. |
| 14:15.53 | AlexPortable | following this tutorial http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/ |
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| 14:17.08 | themill | linedash: the intel driver package is trivially backportable too. ymmv. |
| 14:17.28 | nonconvergent | DammitJim: It's pretty obvious what to do. You can copy from anything you can read, and you can write anywhere you have write access to. |
| 14:17.36 | linedash | themill; I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel as well as 3.13 kernel but no job |
| 14:17.38 | linedash | joy* |
| 14:17.46 | linedash | I get 2d np, but no 3d acceleration |
| 14:18.05 | themill | installing xserver-xorg-video-intel isn't very interesting. the particular version might be |
| 14:18.16 | linedash | I got whatever the current from wheezy-backports is |
| 14:18.24 | linedash | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6 amd64 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 14:18.24 | nonconvergent | So if a file or directory is rwxr-xr-x and you don't own it, you can read it, copy it, but you can't write to it or over it. |
| 14:18.37 | linedash | actually; that intel one is from experimental sorry |
| 14:18.38 | View | |
| 14:18.42 | themill | linedash: that's not from wheezy-backports. |
| 14:18.54 | themill | no, that's the version in wheezy |
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| 14:19.00 | linedash | hrm |
| 14:19.29 | nonconvergent | Anyone know how to reset my nic or connection just as they would be as if I rebooted? |
| 14:20.00 | DammitJim | nonconvergent, maybe I haven't had enough coffee this morning, but the folder /home/user/tmp is owned by user:user and as well as the folder /home/user/priv |
| 14:20.04 | AlexPortable | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 14:20.06 | AlexPortable | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:20.17 | DammitJim | how do you make user x be able to ONLY write to /home/user/tmp and not /home/user/priv ? |
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| 14:22.20 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: Nope. |
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| 14:22.36 | AlexPortable | why not |
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| 14:22.44 | nonconvergent | eth0 not configured |
| 14:23.23 | wols_ | nonconvergent: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
| 14:23.33 | nonconvergent | wols_: yeah, that's what I did. |
| 14:23.48 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: ifconfig is deprecated anyway |
| 14:24.00 | nonconvergent | wols_: And it tells me eth0 is not configured |
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| 14:24.19 | wols_ | then you use network-manager. use that to set it up |
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| 14:24.20 | AlexPortable | Connection closed by server with exitcode 1 |
| 14:24.27 | AlexPortable | why do i get this when i try to connect |
| 14:24.43 | nonconvergent | wols_: 'use' |
| 14:24.48 | nonconvergent | ? |
| 14:25.11 | abrotman | nonconvergent: do you have any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:25.50 | nonconvergent | auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
| 14:25.57 | ixela | AlexPortable: what are you connecting to, how, and what does the logging on your end say? |
| 14:25.59 | nonconvergent | It's all defaults, I never did anything to it. |
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| 14:26.43 | abrotman | nonconvergent: right, so your other interfaces (/sbin/ifconfig -a or ip addr show) are managed by network-manager or other |
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| 14:27.27 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Yup. And it 'connects' when I plug in the ethernet. But I'm not really connected or something till I give it a reboot. |
| 14:27.37 | AlexPortable | ixela: sftp to my server |
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| 14:28.14 | nonconvergent | AlexPortable: Why sftp when you can just ssh anyway? |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:28.31 | ixela | nonconvergent: because gui file tranfer stuff maybe |
| 14:28.36 | AlexPortable | nonconvergent: because i dont want every user to be able to access teh shell |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | nonconvergent: "not really connected" ? |
| 14:28.56 | AlexPortable | the* |
| 14:28.56 | nonconvergent | abrotman: I mean I can't see the internet. |
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| 14:29.07 | nonconvergent | Web pages don't load. Pings go no where. |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | nonconvergent: is it DHCP or static? |
| 14:29.09 | ixela | AlexPortable: can you login with ssh instead? |
| 14:29.16 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 14:29.19 | AlexPortable | my other user also works fine |
| 14:29.20 | AlexPortable | which is ssh |
| 14:29.24 | AlexPortable | but this user is sftp chrooted |
| 14:29.25 | nonconvergent | DHCP at the moment...look, I'll start over. |
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| 14:29.34 | abrotman | AlexPortable: please stop using the enter key as punctuation. |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | nonconvergent: did you try 'dhclient eth0' ? |
| 14:29.48 | AlexPortable | what is a punctation? |
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| 14:30.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell AlexPortable about enter |
| 14:30.44 | ixela | I was wondering how long it would take |
| 14:32.02 | nonconvergent | abrotman: I usually use wifi. I go to work, and the WIFI is down the past couple weeks. I resume my laptop from suspend, nm searches for wifi that isn't there then sits idle, I plug in an ethernet cord, nm's systray icon changes and it says I'm connect to the wired, I pull up the browser and type "Google" and I get nada. I reboot with the cable plugged in or turn off wifi then reboot and plug in the cable after and then it works. |
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| 14:32.48 | ixela | nonconvergent: sounds like an issue with the wireless card coming back from suspend |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | nonconvergent: ah, that may be different. |
| 14:32.49 | nonconvergent | abrotman: RTNETLINK: file exists |
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| 14:33.25 | nonconvergent | I thought the same thing. Hence me asked how to restart the nic. |
| 14:33.32 | ixela | The card isn't handling suspension well and isn't being removed from the route table. |
| 14:33.47 | abrotman | nonconvergent: "restart a nic" is different than reloading the interfaces file .. |
| 14:33.48 | ixela | nonconvergent: It may not be that simple |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | nonconvergent: you might have to unload/reload the driver |
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| 14:34.15 | ixela | It may be that you can't suspend and have the card function correctly until the firmware is reloaded to the card. |
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| 14:34.33 | ixela | this may or may not happen with removing the module and inserting it again. |
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| 14:35.54 | nonconvergent | rmmod ath9k; insmod ath9k; ? |
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| 14:36.13 | ixela | Yes, that may solve the issue |
| 14:36.17 | ixela | it also might not |
| 14:36.56 | babilen | nonconvergent: You should rather use "modprobe -r ath9k ; modprobe ath9k" |
| 14:36.59 | JyZyXEL | wow, my SSD system disk just suddenly completely died |
| 14:37.15 | ixela | JyZyXEL: how old? |
| 14:37.15 | nonconvergent | babilen: too late |
| 14:37.20 | JyZyXEL | ixela: about 2 years |
| 14:37.35 | ixela | JyZyXEL: at least it wasn't a dud from the start? |
| 14:37.39 | babilen | nonconvergent: Well, remember it for later and read modprobe(8) |
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| 14:37.50 | ixela | Also, if you did a lot of writes to it and it didn't wear level well then it makes sense. |
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| 14:38.07 | JyZyXEL | ixela: i was doing an apt-get upgrade and all of a sudden massive I/O error flood and kernel panic and after that no computer recognizes the SSD anymore :P |
| 14:38.26 | nonconvergent | also it didn't work, and when I tried to reload the module with insmod it told me it couldn't not load ath9k, no such file or directory |
| 14:38.29 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how well debian will run off a live backup |
| 14:39.14 | ixela | nonconvergent: try modprobe ath9k |
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| 14:39.22 | JyZyXEL | i basically have a rsync -av copy of the root filesystem done last night |
| 14:39.24 | ixela | insmod generally wants the path to the module |
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| 14:39.36 | JyZyXEL | i guess it should run just fine, as there were no xfer errors |
| 14:39.47 | ixela | JyZyXEL: it should, I've restored from similar things |
| 14:39.57 | ixela | I've shifted live from a single drive to an mdraid device doing that |
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| 14:40.11 | JyZyXEL | i don't think i even have any mysql databases on that machine |
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| 14:40.29 | JyZyXEL | because those are notoriously hard to copy live |
| 14:40.33 | nonconvergent | modprobe worked, although still the issue hasn't been addressed |
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| 14:41.53 | ixela | nonconvergent: yeah, thats what I figured. You'll most likely need to reboot to solve this to clear out the route tables, regenerate them correctly, get the wireless device in working order, and other stuff that happens during the boot relating to the network. |
| 14:42.01 | JyZyXEL | ixela: back when i was using mechanical hard drives for the system drive, i was always able to dd_rescue the "broken" disk to a replacement, so i never needed to restore from backups |
| 14:42.13 | ixela | JyZyXEL: that is risky |
| 14:42.24 | ixela | really risky |
| 14:42.30 | JyZyXEL | well its not risky if you get every block |
| 14:42.32 | ixela | like, begging for corrupted data risky |
| 14:42.37 | nonconvergent | ixela: That's a PITA. |
| 14:42.50 | ixela | nonconvergent: yup. Alternatively, don't suspend. |
| 14:43.00 | ixela | nonconvergent: or try a newer kernel? |
| 14:43.08 | JyZyXEL | of course if there are a lot of bad-blocks then its risky |
| 14:43.12 | nonconvergent | ixela: Already using wheezy-backports |
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| 14:43.47 | ixela | JyZyXEL: its that you don't know whats bad from reading them. The contents of the block can be useless but not cause any issues until you try to use the data. |
| 14:44.07 | nonconvergent | It's REALLY annoying right now because I'm trying to configure a WAP. |
| 14:44.11 | ixela | JyZyXEL: you get a copy of whatever was on the bad disk, but you might not want that. |
| 14:44.13 | nonconvergent | a lot of plugging/unplugging |
| 14:44.24 | ixela | nonconvergent: it sounds like this only happens when you suspend? |
| 14:44.39 | JyZyXEL | ixela: the drives have checksumming to prevent it giving bad data |
| 14:44.58 | ixela | JyZyXEL: they do read checksums? |
| 14:45.02 | nonconvergent | ixela: Yeah. And I suspend when my lid's closed. |
| 14:45.09 | JyZyXEL | of course |
| 14:45.12 | JyZyXEL | thats why they have it |
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| 14:45.25 | ixela | oh, on ssds |
| 14:45.28 | JyZyXEL | so that bad sectors can be detected and informed |
| 14:45.31 | JyZyXEL | no, on mechanical hard drives |
| 14:45.36 | nonconvergent | ixela: would laptop-mode-tools have a setting responsible for this mayby? |
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| 14:46.30 | JyZyXEL | its very rare that they would give you garbage data silently |
| 14:46.37 | ixela | JyZyXEL: its happened to me :( |
| 14:46.58 | ixela | the block wasn't ever marked bad, but the data contained inside it had some replacements that made it useless |
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| 14:47.10 | JyZyXEL | that can also be a memory problem |
| 14:47.16 | JyZyXEL | i've had bad memory corrupt data before |
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| 14:47.56 | Artemis3 | JyZyXEL, is a little more than that. Modern drives (actually in the last decade :3 have a "hidden" bad sectors table, the drive will silently de-allocate sectors and the user doesn't see anything, when a bad sector is detected it will try to move the data silently and mark it bad. |
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| 14:48.16 | ixela | I still wouldn't dd a failing drive as a method of restoration except in a last resort |
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| 14:48.36 | Artemis3 | JyZyXEL, there is only a problem, this table is not unlimited, and can get full, that is when userland software starts detecting bad sectors |
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| 14:49.32 | Guest24805 | Is there a way to get a list of packages that install files in a particular directory? |
| 14:49.43 | Artemis3 | JyZyXEL, some low level formating tools can wipe this table and force the drive recheck again, sometimes just sending zeroes (ie dd if=/dev/zero of/dev/drive) will trigger this |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Guest24805 about apt-file |
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| 14:50.00 | Touhou11 | Artemis3: Interesting, did not know that |
| 14:50.01 | Fanthomas90 | hi! |
| 14:50.08 | Fanthomas90 | what could be the meaning of this line: eval su - "git" -c $(echo \")$0 "$@"$(echo \"); exit; |
| 14:50.23 | JyZyXEL | Artemis3: oh yes, many times i've fixed a broken hard drive just by doing badblocks -w on it |
| 14:50.32 | abrotman | Fanthomas90: you might want to ask #bash |
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| 14:50.33 | JyZyXEL | though usually there will be just more badblocks in the future |
| 14:50.41 | Fanthomas90 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 14:51.16 | Artemis3 | if the number of badblocks always fills the (hidden) table you will get bad blocks reported (exposed) to the os |
| 14:52.07 | JyZyXEL | i figure hard drives are probably designed so that they always give you the right data or an error, never partial data or garbage data |
| 14:52.20 | ixela | JyZyXEL: they are to a limit |
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| 14:52.38 | ixela | that would be 16 value errors per block for the type of ECC used for encoding the data. |
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| 14:52.40 | JyZyXEL | unless you are really unlucky and the garbage data happens to pass some checksumming / error correcting |
| 14:52.42 | Artemis3 | JyZyXEL, not always, there is a limit to everything, max number of retries with fail error (you can check those using smart tools) |
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| 14:53.26 | ixela | past 16 symbol errors per block, the ECC on a disk drive(not the same as the ECC on an ssd) can't deal with corruption and may allow it to be present |
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| 14:53.59 | rjsalts | this is one of the selling points of zfs and btrfs, they have block level checksums so they know which version of the block has been corrupted by a read/write error for that block |
| 14:54.05 | Touhou11 | That's quite a large tolerance |
| 14:54.09 | ixela | it also counts errors differently than other forms |
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| 14:54.31 | ixela | Touhou11: its not a bit based error but a symbol based one |
| 14:55.06 | ixela | so long as each stream of bits is a single symbol, then it can correct it |
| 14:55.09 | JyZyXEL | im sure someone has done the complicated math of how likely it is for a HDD to give you bad data |
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| 14:55.18 | ixela | however, if each symbol is a single bit then it can only correct 16 bits. |
| 14:55.22 | Touhou11 | I see |
| 14:55.30 | ixela | JyZyXEL: likely enough to create filesystems based on countering it |
| 14:56.18 | Artemis3 | if the error appears afterwards the drive will detect it and "try" to copy the data elsewhere, but sometimes it can't. However after a format the drive will de-allocate the bad sector (as long as space in the (hidden) table exists) SSD has simillar stuff, but SSD hidden table can grow by simply leaving non-formated space |
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| 14:57.11 | JyZyXEL | the funny thing about SSD's of course is that when its done, its DONE. |
| 14:57.17 | JyZyXEL | you are not recovering anything |
| 14:57.26 | ixela | actually, you sometimes can |
| 14:57.28 | koollman | JyZyXEL: "it depends". |
| 14:57.34 | ixela | you can just never write to it again |
| 14:57.35 | Artemis3 | it is therefore a good idea to not format SSDs to max capacity, the more unformated you leave, the more errors you can tolerate |
| 14:57.41 | JyZyXEL | goes from a working disk to a paperweight in a blink of an eye :p |
| 14:57.54 | ixela | Artemis3: which is why a lot of ssd's report their drive size as smaller than the total amount of storage they have. |
| 14:58.09 | ixela | JyZyXEL: sounds more like a controller blew up then the drive storage died. |
| 14:58.21 | ixela | sudden and complete loss of IO is usually due to controllers dieing. |
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| 14:58.34 | JyZyXEL | Artemis3: unless the error is in the SSD controller firmware (sandforce) |
| 14:58.41 | Artemis3 | well of course |
| 14:58.45 | Guest24805 | awesome, thanks abrotman ;) |
| 14:58.49 | koollman | JyZyXEL: happens to hdd too :) |
| 14:59.04 | ixela | JyZyXEL: happens to almost anything that uses any controllers ever. |
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| 14:59.13 | Artemis3 | you could have another controller lying around, or send it to professional recovery service if the data was that important |
| 14:59.17 | koollman | any part of a storage system may fail, and you need backups. (and raid is not backups) |
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| 14:59.41 | Artemis3 | its usually cheaper to backup |
| 14:59.52 | JyZyXEL | luckily i have backups from last night |
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| 15:00.35 | banko | does anyone here know anything about hacking? |
| 15:00.43 | koollman | still like to ask "do you have backups?" when data loss is almost certain. slightly sadistic |
| 15:00.55 | JyZyXEL | but unluckily the machine in question was the backup machine, and its system disk died, so i have to construct a temporary environment to get the backup system running again so i can get access to the backups :D |
| 15:01.11 | ixela | JyZyXEL: which is why the system disk should have some redundancy ;) |
| 15:01.17 | JyZyXEL | ixela: exactly! :p |
| 15:01.30 | tomodachi | that sounds like a freenas setup to me if I ever hear it |
| 15:01.39 | JyZyXEL | but who has the money to run SSD's in raid1! |
| 15:02.00 | koollman | JyZyXEL: which is why you backup the backups! (ok, that's usually not necessary. they aren't that critical most of the time) |
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| 15:02.09 | JyZyXEL | tomodachi: well its a debian nas setup with backuppc |
| 15:02.19 | ixela | JyZyXEL: they're pretty cheap now ;) |
| 15:02.21 | Artemis3 | why do you need ssds in a backup? well its fun to boot quick but i guess you are not rebooting the backup server all the time? |
| 15:02.21 | koollman | JyZyXEL: who has the money to use ssd for backups? |
| 15:02.21 | frostschutz | JyZyXEL, I mirror my SSD to HDD, so if the SSD dies, I still have something to boot off |
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| 15:02.40 | JyZyXEL | frostschutz: that idea came to my mind too |
| 15:02.46 | ixela | JyZyXEL: You can get 256GB ssds for under $250 now |
| 15:03.05 | frostschutz | under $250?!? I thought it was under $100 |
| 15:03.06 | ixela | to boot you'd need something way smaller, like a 64gb one which are under $100 easily and probably under $75 |
| 15:03.22 | ixela | frostschutz: I'm sure someone will sell one that cheap, but I wouldn't touch it yet. |
| 15:03.52 | JyZyXEL | frostschutz: perhaps with write-mostly it doesn't even affect the performance? |
| 15:04.02 | ixela | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248 |
| 15:04.10 | ixela | $150 |
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| 15:04.19 | JyZyXEL | ixela: thats the mistake i made here, i went for a cheap 30GB SSD |
| 15:04.24 | frostschutz | JyZyXEL, it would when writing. I just add a HDD to it from time to time, doesn't have to be that up to date |
| 15:04.28 | koollman | JyZyXEL: it still slows down random writes, and writes per second |
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| 15:04.45 | JyZyXEL | ixela: now im going with a Samsung 840 120GB, even though i only need 30GB max |
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| 15:05.00 | ixela | if you want stability go for the 840 pro |
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| 15:05.16 | ixela | or go with intel |
| 15:05.28 | JyZyXEL | the samsung ssd should be something that i only have to buy once |
| 15:05.41 | JyZyXEL | from what i hear anyways |
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| 15:05.54 | ixela | I don't trust anything that much |
| 15:05.55 | koollman | until it dies, yes. the thing is, 'when will it'. still hard to predict :) |
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| 15:06.20 | JyZyXEL | koollman: well at least the 840 pro has a 5 year warranty! :P |
| 15:06.34 | frostschutz | that's not worth squat in 5 years ;) |
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| 15:06.54 | JyZyXEL | its just an OS disk anyways |
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| 15:07.36 | koollman | on my future backup system, there's no OS disk involved for most of the servers :) |
| 15:07.41 | JyZyXEL | some people might just run off a USB stick, but i don't trust the USB storage stack for the OS |
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| 15:08.37 | JyZyXEL | koollman: some people prefer to have the OS running on the NAS disks |
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| 15:08.53 | koollman | I'm building a moosefs cluster, with pxe-booting storage nodes |
| 15:10.01 | JyZyXEL | if i had the money i would have 4 ssd's in raid-1 for the OS :P |
| 15:10.05 | JyZyXEL | it would almost never fail |
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| 15:10.37 | frostschutz | that's just silly |
| 15:11.01 | webb__ | anyone here in the mood to help me setup ipv6 tunnel on a VPS? ipv6 module in the kernel, but regular way seems not to work with this vps stuffs.. |
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| 15:11.29 | webb__ | uname -a gives 2.6.32-042stab062.2 |
| 15:11.46 | koollman | JyZyXEL: if my idea works, I will have a fully redundant backup system, with two master nodes with drbd failover, and all other nodes with only storage disks, and pxe boot (so OS in ram) |
| 15:12.00 | koollman | and it should be pretty easy to manage. ideally :) |
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| 15:12.22 | JyZyXEL | koollman: well if you can manage to get the whole OS to the RAM, then that is a nice thing |
| 15:12.34 | koollman | that's easy enough |
| 15:13.08 | JyZyXEL | you just have to have a lot of RAM |
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| 15:13.53 | koollman | not really. it will be a smallish system (probably less than 256MB, certainly less than 1GB) |
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| 15:14.23 | JyZyXEL | well the standard installation is something like 700MiB? |
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| 15:15.18 | JyZyXEL | 2GB is the absolute minimum i would do with debian |
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| 15:16.16 | koollman | but that won't be standard, it will be debootstrap-minbase I just need ssh, and a few binaries for the cluster system |
| 15:16.31 | swiley | the debootstrap command will set up a rootfs with ~300mb or so right? |
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| 15:16.54 | dondelelcaro | as ith most things, it depends what you're doing. You can get the install to be in the 200M range fairly easily, and it's possible to make it even smaller in some cases. |
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| 15:17.39 | koollman | current wheezy debootstrap is 229MB |
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| 15:17.59 | koollman | minbase variant is 155MB |
| 15:18.02 | JyZyXEL | it very quickly shoots up as you start installing stuff |
| 15:18.12 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 15:18.48 | jelly | you can always remove rpcbind for that extra 300KB! |
| 15:18.58 | JyZyXEL | and install localepurge |
| 15:19.03 | jelly | that's cheating |
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| 15:20.30 | JyZyXEL | but surely it is quite nice to have a very minimalistic system so you can actually easily remember what is installed and why |
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| 15:21.08 | koollman | JyZyXEL: stuff I will install on those nodes isn't large or with many dependancies. I will make a moosefs package, install ssh, and that's about it. |
| 15:21.27 | koollman | if I really need larger stuff, I can always use a nfs mount |
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| 15:36.58 | mingtsay | s/inviting/invitation/ |
| 15:37.06 | wols_ | mingtsay: different network. irc.oftc.net |
| 15:37.12 | jelly | mingtsay: not on this network, the channel's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:44.20 | linedash | for anyone who was wondering, upgrading to jessie did indeed fix the haswell issues |
| 15:44.30 | linedash | multimonitor + 3d acceleration now working |
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| 15:46.10 | AlexPortable | hi |
| 15:47.11 | AlexPortable | sshd - fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/" |
| 15:47.22 | AlexPortable | trying to chroot sftp |
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| 15:50.11 | ksk | AlexPortable: the chroot needs to be owned by root:root |
| 15:50.19 | ksk | and must not be writeable to others |
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| 15:54.10 | jelly | AlexPortable: the only way we managed to make chroot work for users was to make their home owned by root, then make a subdir in there for them to write to |
| 15:54.37 | jelly | there's probably a better solution but this was good enough here |
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| 15:59.29 | AlexPortable | ksk: it's owned by root:root |
| 15:59.35 | mingtsay | do anyone have this issue? I was at school and connect to my Debian via ssh. But I cannot ping outside. I can ping all devices in 192.168.0.0/16 but google.com, plurk.com, etc... |
| 15:59.40 | AlexPortable | and the subdir is owned by them |
| 15:59.52 | AlexPortable | ls /home/ drwxr-xr-x 3 test2 test2 4096 apr 30 17:40 test2 |
| 15:59.58 | vk | Hi. I can't seem to use iBus in LibreOffice. The shortcut to change the input method with iBus works in Kwrite, but not there. Please help. |
| 16:00.03 | mingtsay | and I tried to do this: service networking stop ; sleep 5 ; service networking start |
| 16:00.11 | AlexPortable | erm wait |
| 16:00.29 | AlexPortable | dr-x------ 6 root root 4096 apr 30 17:07 test |
| 16:00.43 | mingtsay | and also I read ifconfig. there is no problems. but still cannot go out. (can connect outside via ssh) |
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| 16:01.04 | AlexPortable | and inside /home/test/ is drwxr-xr-x 2 test users 4096 apr 30 17:07 www |
| 16:01.18 | mingtsay | I reboot and then it back to work. does anyone know about that? |
| 16:01.24 | AlexPortable | ksk: jelly: but when i try to connect i get: Server unexpectedly closed network connection |
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| 16:02.24 | jelly | AlexPortable: pastebin "echo ~username", and "ls -ld / /home ~username ~username/.ssh" for a start |
| 16:02.39 | AlexPortable | fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/" |
| 16:02.42 | jelly | well. that echo is redundant, you can omit it |
| 16:02.46 | JyZyXEL | will be interesting to see if debian will still boot after it kernel panicced during apt-get upgrade, right when it was installing a new kernel :p |
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| 16:03.53 | AlexPortable | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pnnzXRfm |
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| 16:07.09 | jelly | AlexPortable: a) do it as root. b) permissions on /home/test deny access to user "test" |
| 16:07.34 | jelly | AlexPortable: also, how did you manage to drwxr-xr-x 22 debian debian 4096 apr 30 13:14 / |
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| 16:07.55 | jelly | make it the default root:root |
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| 16:12.58 | average | hey, I was wondering, I have gdb 7.6.2 , I'm on Debian jessie |
| 16:13.07 | average | I really like gdb 7.7 because it has even better Python support |
| 16:13.30 | average | however, there isn't a 7.7 package yet(except in Ubuntu, but I wouldn't use that one) |
| 16:13.38 | average | is there any way that I could get 7.7 under Debian ? |
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| 16:14.09 | average | I tried a few hacks like getting the package, just switching the source tarball, but of course that doesn't really work because now patches can't be applied anymore |
| 16:14.23 | average | anyway what I mean is I was looking for a quick & dirty way to get 7.7 |
| 16:14.31 | average | but there really isn't one and I suppose it's more involved |
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| 16:15.15 | average | so I think maybe the easiest way would be to know where the Debian GDB maintainers are at, or if there's some trace of 7.7 package, even if in the early stages, out there somewhere |
| 16:16.27 | somiaj | average: what version of debian do you run? |
| 16:17.16 | petn-randall | average: Easiest way would be a simple local install from the sources. Nicest would of course be to help out the maintainer getting it packaged. :) |
| 16:17.19 | average | hmm maybe this is the Debian fork of gdb ? git://anonscm.debian.org/crosstoolchain/gdb.git |
| 16:17.28 | average | somiaj: Debian jessie, 7.4 maybe ? |
| 16:17.42 | average | Debian testing (jessie) |
| 16:17.43 | somiaj | jessie does not have a number since it is not an offical release |
| 16:18.00 | average | ok |
| 16:18.24 | average | petn-randall: I'd like to help, but I'm like crushed with work I have to do myself |
| 16:18.27 | somiaj | average: how did you try to compile version 7.7 on jessie (looks like it has 7.6 available which doesn't work for you) |
| 16:19.22 | average | somiaj: no I mean 7.6 is good too, but 7.7 is even better because it has all these new fancy Python classes and you can do all sorts of things with it (I watched the 2014 FOSDEM talk titled "Your application vs. GDB" and it was pretty cool) |
| 16:19.46 | average | so what I did was, I was like really sloppy |
| 16:19.51 | average | I got the orig.tar.gz and the debian.tar.gz |
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| 16:20.20 | average | I replaced the 7.6.2 tar.gz with the 7.7 upstream tar.gz as I'm really lazy |
| 16:20.36 | somiaj | average: that is enough of a description. YOu should have tried to use uupdate |
| 16:20.38 | average | I deleted the patches from debian/patches because those couldn't be applied since it's a different version and .. etc |
| 16:20.49 | somiaj | average: now the patches may have to be fixed. So here you have a few options. |
| 16:20.51 | soa2ii | Hi. I got a clean wheezy installation? Why does spamassassin for example pull so much dependencies? http://pastebin.com/q0i0BTkV gcc for example … |
| 16:20.55 | average | and then I ran dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 16:21.23 | somiaj | average: easiest. Don't worry about debian patches, and just compile and install the original source, and install it into /usr/local (maybe look into the package stow to manager this) |
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| 16:22.25 | average | somiaj: yeah, I tried to compile the original source but I bump into all sorts of weird things heh |
| 16:22.30 | somiaj | average: 2) repeate what you did, but use some tools. So use the uupdate tool (/msg dpkg uupdate), and then go though and try to fix the debian patches to apply to the new source. This will require some knowledge of the patches and if they are still needed in the version or not. This would be the preferable method to ensure it interacts with the debian system correctly, but a /usr/local install would be quick and easy. |
| 16:22.31 | petn-randall | soa2ii: For the re2c compiler I think. Those are all "Recommends" though, which enhance spamassassins in features/performance. You can also install without them. |
| 16:22.51 | somiaj | average: by weird things, this usually means you are missing the -dev libaries the source needs? |
| 16:23.03 | lmat | I have an offline debian box, and I'm trying to retrieve some packages for it. I'm using apt-get --print-uris on an online box to get the uris to get ready to download them. |
| 16:23.18 | lmat | It's not printing uris, probably because I already have the packages. |
| 16:23.20 | average | somiaj: oh I have those. but I mean ./configure --with-python runs, and then make fails somewhere along the line |
| 16:23.23 | lmat | How can I force it to print uris ? |
| 16:23.34 | average | with like little silly things like #define PACKAGE_VERSION macro redefined |
| 16:23.35 | soa2ii | petn-randall: You mean like this: aptitude install --without-recommends spamassassin ? |
| 16:23.41 | average | or #define TARGET redefined |
| 16:23.43 | average | or things like that |
| 16:24.17 | jelly | AlexPortable: chown root: / && chmod go+rx /home/test and try again |
| 16:24.53 | average | somiaj: I can paste the errors somewhere if you want to look.. but I don't want to take up your time on this if you're busy |
| 16:24.57 | somiaj | average: guess you have to figure out why it is failing, or just decide you want to wait for the matainer to do this. In this case you could file a wishist bug. |
| 16:25.11 | lmat | I'm following instructions at http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
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| 16:25.17 | somiaj | average: I don't htink I would be of that much help, most things I compile tend to be fairly easy. |
| 16:25.21 | h4k1m | hi guys |
| 16:25.44 | h4k1m | I have duplicated the /etc/init.d/skeleton to create a service for one of my scripts |
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| 16:26.00 | petn-randall | soa2ii: For example, yes. |
| 16:26.01 | h4k1m | but the pid file in /var/run doesnt seem to be created |
| 16:26.16 | h4k1m | and the service cant be stopped (only killed) |
| 16:26.44 | lmat | Maybe another way to get at this is to find out where the debs are stored ? |
| 16:27.13 | petn-randall | h4k1m: Can you show us the full script? |
| 16:27.23 | somiaj | lmat: local debs are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives (this is also where they are put if you use the --download-only option) |
| 16:27.30 | somiaj | lmat: provided you have not ran apt-get clean to clean it up |
| 16:27.37 | h4k1m | petn-randall, one minute please |
| 16:27.43 | lmat | somiaj: I'll check that out. |
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| 16:30.05 | HisaoNakai | Hi. I can't seem to use iBus in LibreOffice. The shortcut to change the input method with iBus works in Kwrite, but not there. Please help. |
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| 16:33.20 | h4k1m | petn-randall, here: http://paste.debian.net/96591/ |
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| 16:33.47 | average | somiaj: if I may ask. is there a code review system in place for Debian Git repositories ? |
| 16:34.09 | dondelelcaro | average: no |
| 16:34.20 | average | cool, thanks |
| 16:34.23 | dondelelcaro | average: there's no concerted code review in place currently |
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| 16:34.32 | dondelelcaro | (though it happens on an ad-hoc basis) |
| 16:35.03 | h4k1m | petn-randall, I cannot find the pid file in /var/run/.. |
| 16:35.10 | average | ad-hoc is ok :) I mean if people don't agree on stuff, ain't no code review gonna fix that :) |
| 16:36.04 | average | but anyway code review is nice too |
| 16:36.16 | dondelelcaro | average: yeah, the main problem is just manpower |
| 16:36.30 | dondelelcaro | average: and the fact that code review isn't terribly interesting for volunteers |
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| 16:41.12 | petn-randall | h4k1m: Run it as 'bash -x /path/to/initscript start' and see what it exactly does. |
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| 16:42.17 | lmat | somiaj: That looks like the ticket! Thanks! |
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| 16:43.57 | h4k1m | petn-randall, it replaced all variables with their values |
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| 16:48.29 | petn-randall | h4k1m: More importantly it should show you which paths it ran through the script. That will give you clues what might be wrong. Gotta go, good luck! |
| 16:48.32 | h4k1m | petn-randall, start-stop-daemon --background --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/scrapyd.pid --exec /usr/bin/scrapyd |
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| 16:48.54 | h4k1m | petn-randall, ok thanks for the help mate |
| 16:50.43 | babilen | h4k1m: You managed to switch from their Ubuntu packages to a local installation and wrote your own init script? |
| 16:50.59 | h4k1m | babilen, that's right |
| 16:51.02 | happytux | When trying to install debian package python-ecdsa: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:51.03 | happytux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.08 | happytux | So an official debian package is broken? |
| 16:51.09 | babilen | h4k1m: Perfect! Well done :) |
| 16:51.17 | h4k1m | I have created my own init-script from the skeleton |
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| 16:51.41 | h4k1m | I have only changed the path & added --background to start-stop-daemon |
| 16:51.52 | petn-randall | happytux: Since python-ecdsa is in no release, the answer is "no". |
| 16:52.29 | h4k1m | babilen, but now the service cannot be stopped & there is no pid file |
| 16:52.30 | JyZyXEL | does grub command-line have a command that lists filesystem UUIDs? |
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| 16:52.42 | babilen | h4k1m: It shouldn't be necessary to come up with anything more complex than that. You might have to adjust the LSB header though if the daemon requires networking or so. |
| 16:53.25 | h4k1m | babilen, what do I need to modify in the lsb header? |
| 16:53.29 | AlexPortable | jelly: thanks |
| 16:53.46 | happytux | petn-randall: but why does it try to install the package? |
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| 16:54.10 | h4k1m | the daemon is made with twisted (python) so I think it should need networking |
| 16:54.43 | babilen | h4k1m: You might have to add things like "$network" in "Required-Start:" or so at the top (quite literally depending on what your daemon needs) |
| 16:55.29 | petn-randall | happytux: Because you're either a) not running Debian or b) not running any stable release. |
| 16:55.58 | petn-randall | waves. |
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| 16:56.43 | h4k1m | babilen, that's all? my script is here: http://paste.debian.net/96591/ |
| 16:57.00 | babilen | h4k1m: Take, for example, a look at http://paste.debian.net/96596/ which is the header for postfix -- you might also want to take a look at other init scripts in /etc/init.d/ to see what you can do |
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| 16:57.44 | happytux | right |
| 16:57.45 | h4k1m | h4k1m, it would have been easier for me if this script can log, as he would do on ubuntu |
| 16:58.19 | h4k1m | babilen, does it need other things to add in the 'Required-Start' |
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| 16:58.51 | happytux | petn-randall: It is Debian Wheezy and no other releases are added to sources. |
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| 16:59.39 | babilen | h4k1m: So I would expect that you have to add things such as "$named $network" maybe even "$local_fs" if it will write things -- I can't really help you there as I don't know scrapyd. What does it do? |
| 16:59.54 | mtn | happytux: it is not in wheezy: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-ecdsa |
| 17:00.24 | babilen | h4k1m: Required-Stop accordingly |
| 17:00.31 | h4k1m | babilen, it's used to deploy scrapy crawlers |
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| 17:00.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell h4k1m -about lsb tags |
| 17:00.45 | mtn | happytux: so I guess you need to look at your sources.list and fix it ;) |
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| 17:01.28 | haole | I'm using debian wheezy as my workstation as a VirtualBox guest, but my sound stopped working after an update... how do I debug this? |
| 17:01.54 | babilen | h4k1m: Please refer to the wiki page which discusses the headers in detail. If in doubt: add all ;) |
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| 17:02.20 | berndj-blackout | is icedove supposed to be something than empty dialogs? i want to import my thunderbird folder that's in $HOME but i don't see a way to ask icedove politely, on gilded invitation paper, to look there |
| 17:02.23 | h4k1m | babilen, it used to log in /var/log/scrapyd/scrapy.log in ubuntu, but I cant find this file to debug my crawlers |
| 17:02.32 | babilen | h4k1m: It is simply used to order the scripts and there shouldn't be a problem if it is loaded as one of the last ones (as it is *very* unlikely that anything else will depend on it unless you write another script) |
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| 17:03.30 | babilen | h4k1m: That is specific to your daemon I guess and you might have to define that in its options and call it with, say, "--log-file=/var/log/scrapyd/scrapy.log" (also make sure that that directory exists) |
| 17:03.31 | mtn | berndj-blackout: rename the folder to .icedove ;) |
| 17:03.33 | h4k1m | babilen, but the service can start so dependancy on other services isnt an issue |
| 17:03.48 | babilen | h4k1m: Yes, now ... but not during the boot process |
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| 17:04.44 | berndj-blackout | nope, no luck mtn |
| 17:05.13 | mtn | berndj-blackout: works for me for many years. so I have no idea why not for you. |
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| 17:06.30 | mtn | berndj-blackout: oh, are you trying to "import" or just moving the folder to your new home? |
| 17:06.50 | berndj-blackout | mtn, i just straced it, it's even looking in ~/.icedove/<my profile's name> but everything's just blank |
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| 17:07.32 | berndj-blackout | mtn: i just want my mail! (i swapped hard disks and used the opp to upgrade from ubuntu to wheezy) |
| 17:08.11 | mtn | berndj-blackout: for me just copying the .thunderbird folder to my new home and renaming it to .icedove has always worked. |
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| 17:10.45 | berndj-blackout | oh yay, it actually went and deleted the mail that was there |
| 17:11.09 | berndj-blackout | good think i still have a copy on a shuttle drive |
| 17:11.49 | berndj-blackout | i've come to detest software. please can someone bring 2002 back? |
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| 17:12.29 | jandrusk | berndj-blackout: Just become a monk. |
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| 17:13.16 | mtn | berndj-blackout: or a luddite |
| 17:13.30 | berndj-blackout | i'm halfway there already |
| 17:13.48 | h4k1m | babilen, my only problem is in the stop() function that doesnt stop the service |
| 17:13.59 | h4k1m | is it because the pid file doesnt exist? |
| 17:14.02 | poopmaster | I'm running Debian7.4 as a virtual machine...happened to restart the VM since I needed to restart my computer and after launching the VM again, I'm thrown to command line, no GUI |
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| 17:14.39 | Brigo | poopmaster, paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:15.18 | berndj-blackout | i guess i just don't understand; has the {.thunderbird,.icedove} format changed so much in 4 years that wheezy's icedove can't read 2010's thunderbird's folder? but still recognizes it enough to delete all my local copies of my gmail folders? |
| 17:16.34 | Tasab | sources.list , is there any default text for this file , pls |
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| 17:17.07 | Brigo | Tasab, sorry, dont understand ... |
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| 17:19.47 | poopmaster | Brigo working on it, proving problematic to cut/paste from virtual machine |
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| 17:20.49 | Brigo | poopmaster, try pastebinit, if you can install it. |
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| 17:21.29 | berndj-blackout | aaah ok mtn you were right; i did mv ~/.thunderbird ~/.icedove - but by then the latter already existed and it moved .thunderbird into .icedove *facepalm* |
| 17:22.16 | poopmaster | nice tool :) here it is Brigo http://paste.debian.net/96599 |
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| 17:24.09 | poopmaster | looks like on line 131 it hit an error with /dev/fb0 |
| 17:24.19 | Brigo | poopmaster, this logs has no crashes. |
| 17:25.10 | poopmaster | yea, i'm not sure what's going on =\ it just started happening after a reboot - throws me to command line and doesn't even try to start the GUI |
| 17:25.22 | happytux | mtn: hm |
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| 17:25.57 | poopmaster | i use emacs and g++ on it and nothing else, so i'm not sure why it decided to do this |
| 17:26.15 | Brigo | poopmaster, may be and update? |
| 17:26.18 | happytux | mtn: This is strange, my sources.list / sources.list.d is clean, only wheezy, wheezy-backport and wheezy-updates. |
| 17:26.37 | poopmaster | Brigo that's my best guess, last time i ran updates on it though was about a month ago heh |
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| 17:27.19 | poopmaster | i can do startx gnome-shell but that throws me into gnome3 |
| 17:27.22 | Brigo | are you sure you paste all the log? this logs looks quite well. |
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| 17:27.48 | Brigo | poopmaster, what do you use to run, kde? |
| 17:28.03 | poopmaster | i think gnome2, it was just the default install |
| 17:28.19 | mtn | happytux: did you try to install that package manually after downloading the .deb? |
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| 17:28.45 | poopmaster | not very familiar with linux guis, never used them much, always command line and really basic desktop use |
| 17:28.47 | Brigo | poopmaster, in whezzy, i think there is no gnome2 at all :-m |
| 17:28.55 | poopmaster | :S |
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| 17:29.37 | Brigo | check the about menu entry :) |
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| 17:33.11 | happytux | mtn: no |
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| 17:33.12 | babilen | h4k1m: Yes, you have to set PIDFILE to something sensible (e.g. /var/run/$NAME.pid) and then use "--pidfile $PIDFILE" in your start-stop-daemon call |
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| 17:33.21 | happytux | mtn: I did the following: apt-get install python-paramiko |
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| 17:33.28 | happytux | mtn: which also installed python-crypto |
| 17:33.45 | babilen | h4k1m: Eh, you've done that already |
| 17:33.55 | happytux | mtn: failed to resolve path dput.uploaders.sftp.SFTPUploader: No module named ecdsa |
| 17:34.01 | h4k1m | babilen, it's what's done in the script but the stop() return 1 which means that the service is already stopped |
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| 17:34.12 | h4k1m | maybe because it cannot find the PID file |
| 17:34.20 | happytux | mtn: Then I tried to install ecdsa, too by using: apt-get install python-ecdsa |
| 17:34.24 | happytux | mtn: and then I get this error. |
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| 17:34.34 | mtn | happytux: sorry, no idea what is going on. maybe someone else can help |
| 17:34.51 | poopmaster | yea if I do stop gdm3 then issue startx |
| 17:34.55 | babilen | h4k1m: Not sure right now and kinda between things so no time to take a look at it in detail. Sorry. |
| 17:35.01 | happytux | hm |
| 17:35.02 | poopmaster | it goes back to the default desktop |
| 17:35.29 | h4k1m | babilen, no problem you ve already helped me thanks |
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| 17:38.48 | happytux | mtn: ha! I found a solution! |
| 17:39.37 | happytux | mtn: python-ecdsa is in wheezy-backports, when I install it using plain apt-get install python-ecdsa I get this problem. But when I enforce wheezy-backports as release: apt-get install python-ecdsa/wheezy-backports it worked. |
| 17:39.39 | happytux | strange |
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| 17:40.41 | mtn | happytux: not strange at all, you can find info on using backports on the backports page |
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| 17:44.26 | happytux | mtn: so when not enforcing backports, apt will try to use the packages from stable first and there is a dependency (package debian-six) which would be too low in version |
| 17:44.28 | happytux | hm |
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| 17:47.15 | somiaj | happytux: backports are pinned lower than the default release, this means they will never be considered as a default to install or as an upgrade. This is important because you most likely do not want to install all backported packges, but the few packages that you need a newer version of |
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| 17:49.58 | Zzeiss1 | I'm still getting GPG signing errors for the ftp.us.debian.org when I try to do "apt-get update". Is anyone else getting this or do I have something very wrong? |
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| 17:50.33 | mtn | Zzeiss1: which version of debian? |
| 17:51.10 | Zzeiss1 | mtn: I'm on Wheezy |
| 17:51.38 | mtn | Zzeiss1: ok, something is wrong but I don't know how to fix it. |
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| 17:52.41 | Zzeiss1 | mtn: you get the same error? |
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| 17:52.55 | mtn | Zzeiss1: never have seen it on my machines |
| 17:53.12 | Zzeiss1 | (or at least _a_ GPG signing error?) |
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| 17:54.53 | mtn | Zzeiss1: try switching mirrors? |
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| 17:57.06 | mingtsay | does anyone know how to setup L2L VPN using Debian? |
| 17:57.32 | mingtsay | do I need gateways for all branches? |
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| 18:05.06 | no_gravity | Hmm.. somthing configures my screen. But its not in /etc/screenrc and I do not have a ~/screenrc. What could it be? |
| 18:06.20 | Zzeiss | Okay. Found the problem. Contrib is spelled "contrib" not "cntrib". |
| 18:06.25 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: you don't have to have a screen configuration for it to work |
| 18:07.02 | asterismo | hi people |
| 18:07.04 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: yes. but it not only works. it also has some wicked config. |
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| 18:07.46 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: hrm... well, by default on debian, there is a /etc/screenrc |
| 18:08.02 | asterismo | is there any safe way to upgrade stock KDE 4.8.4 on Debian 7 to some newer verson of KDE like 4.10 or 4.11?? |
| 18:08.08 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: looks like i set up kind of a "distractionless writing" environment on this machine some time in the past. it has huge borders on each site. any idea what setting to look for? |
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| 18:09.45 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: you might have set SYSSCREENRC or SCREENRC |
| 18:10.02 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: I'd start with SYSSCREENRC=/dev/null SCREENRC=/dev/null screen; and see if things are normal |
| 18:10.30 | user4 | asterismo you can upgrade your KDE beyond Debian's if you can find the binaries or compile it yourself. Safe? maybe... |
| 18:11.11 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: interesting. SCREENRC=/dev/null is sufficient to reset it. |
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| 18:12.04 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: its ~/.screenrc! |
| 18:12.09 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help! |
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| 18:14.29 | Zzeiss | how do I tell apt-get to use wheezy-backports for an install? |
| 18:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Zzeiss: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install foopkg; |
| 18:15.53 | HisaoNakai | Is it possible/advisable to migrate between DEs on an existing install? |
| 18:15.54 | zykotick9 | Zzeiss: or see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 18:16.37 | zykotick9 | HisaoNakai: you don't really "migrate" DEs, you just install them, then select them using a DM |
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| 18:16.40 | Tasab | how i can know my internet connection working properly thro' the terminal , tks |
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| 18:17.04 | swordsmanz | is there a package i can install like gnome-core but that uses less space ? |
| 18:17.07 | HisaoNakai | zykotick9: Cool, I see. |
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| 18:17.11 | HisaoNakai | omfg, hey, swordsmanz :D |
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| 18:17.20 | swordsmanz | yo HisaoNakai |
| 18:17.26 | swordsmanz | jumphugs |
| 18:17.31 | HisaoNakai | n_n |
| 18:18.04 | HisaoNakai | swordsmanz: talk in -that- channel, inb4 topic-police lol |
| 18:18.27 | mingtsay | !whoami |
| 18:18.28 | dpkg | you're mingtsay you donkey! |
| 18:18.41 | HisaoNakai | lol |
| 18:19.15 | mingtsay | !who am i |
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| 18:19.16 | dpkg | mingtsay shut up, you are a nobody |
| 18:19.26 | jelly-home | mingtsay: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:19.40 | average | jelly-home: he's trying to find his inner self |
| 18:19.55 | swordsmanz | dpkg shut the fuck up he has as much right to contribute as you do |
| 18:19.55 | dpkg | swordsmanz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:19.56 | mingtsay | jelly-home: trying to type some command to dpkg... |
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| 18:20.34 | jelly-home | mingtsay: which command, to what purpose, and why are you not doing it in /msg dpkg |
| 18:20.51 | Zzeiss | okay, that works. Now, how to find a libc.so.6 that's at version 2.14 or better. |
| 18:21.02 | mingtsay | jelly-home: sorry |
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| 18:23.28 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: available in testing branch. |
| 18:23.44 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: not to be mixed with a stable release of debian |
| 18:24.03 | Zzeiss | Ouch. That hurts. |
| 18:24.18 | Zzeiss | Should I trust a flying upgrade? |
| 18:24.29 | jelly-home | a flying wha |
| 18:25.09 | Zzeiss | (where you change your repo and type "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and hope it all works out?) |
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| 18:26.12 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: I would not recommend upgrading an installation you absolutely need to work to testing |
| 18:26.36 | Zzeiss | Well, the problem is that to do the work, I need 2.14 and to do that, if I need testing, then I need testing. |
| 18:26.48 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: what is your actual goal? What kind of work? |
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| 18:27.59 | Zzeiss | I need Fritzing 0.8.7 or later to finish up laying out a PCB (I've already got about 100 hours into it and previous versions are not adequate nor back compatible. Sigh) |
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| 18:30.08 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: let's assume this piece of s...oftware is built for ubuntu and not debian. You have options: debootstrap a chroot of the actual OS the vendor supports, ie. Ubuntu, install and use the software that way OR debootstrap a testing chroot OR upgrade your current OS to testing |
| 18:31.24 | Zzeiss | Ah, yeah. It's open source, so maybe a build from source might work too. |
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| 18:32.04 | jelly-home | if building it is an option, try to build it for Debian 7 and that build will likely NOT require glibc 2.14 |
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| 18:33.31 | jelly-home | frankly, if learning about backporting or building from source is not something you're keen on, I'd suggest "schroot" to build a supported-OS chroot and install those binaries in there |
| 18:33.33 | HisaoNakai | Is there a way to make a bootable ISO of an existing Debian install? O.o |
| 18:33.57 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: if you only installed Debian to run this thing, then sure, go ahead and upgrade it to testing |
| 18:34.28 | jelly-home | if however Debian is your working OS and you need it for other stuff, that might not be the best idea |
| 18:34.34 | Zzeiss | I've had to build other stuff from source too. Like Slic3r to run a 3D printer. Same problem - libc6 too old. |
| 18:34.47 | Zzeiss | I'm starting to think I shouldn't be running Stable. :) |
| 18:34.47 | mo1991 | Zzeiss - fritzing 0.8.7 is available in unstable - so you can simply backport it for wheezy (stable) |
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| 18:34.52 | mo1991 | !simple sid backport |
| 18:34.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:35.01 | Zzeiss | mo1991: Oh??? Do tell. |
| 18:35.06 | jelly-home | let's see about that "simply" |
| 18:35.17 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport fritzing |
| 18:35.18 | judd | Backporting package fritzing in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 18:35.34 | mo1991 | Zzeiss - do a /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:35.34 | jelly-home | signs point to "it might work" |
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| 18:36.36 | HisaoNakai | Is there a way to make a bootable ISO of an existing Debian install? |
| 18:36.36 | mo1991 | perhaps this package is harder than others, but I've backported quite a few things over the years using the /msg dpkg simple sid backport - and it packaged shiny new .debs for wheezy just fine |
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| 18:39.23 | Zzeiss | Hmmm... did the wheezy-backports in /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install fritzing" and I still get the old (0.6.7) version, not the new one. Hmmm... |
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| 18:40.31 | Zzeiss | er, verrsion 0.6.3 |
| 18:40.40 | babilen | Zzeiss: Did you run "apt-get update" after adding it? What does "apt-cache policy fritzing" give you? |
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| 18:40.55 | babilen | Well, fritzing isn't in wheezy-backports |
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| 18:41.06 | babilen | judd: v fritzing |
| 18:41.06 | judd | Package: fritzing on i386 -- wheezy: 0.6.3b+dfsg-3.1; jessie: 0.8.7b+dfsg-1; sid: 0.8.7b+dfsg-1 |
| 18:41.13 | babilen | Zzeiss: ^^^ |
| 18:41.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell Zzeiss -about ssb |
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| 18:42.18 | Zzeiss | babilen: Yep. did apt-get update. |
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| 18:43.02 | Zzeiss | babilen: policy says it's 0.6.3 |
| 18:43.24 | jelly-home | Zzeiss: um, the bot did not suggest to "install" stuff from wheezy-backports |
| 18:43.25 | jelly-home | the recipe is terse. Read and apply carefully. |
| 18:43.25 | jelly-home | if any step is confusing, ask |
| 18:43.25 | jelly-home | oh shi, it actually says to check backports first now |
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| 18:45.00 | Zzeiss | I (think) I'm following instructions on the web page. |
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| 18:45.44 | Zzeiss | So, by definition, I've managed to confuse myself. |
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| 18:46.41 | osfd_home | plop |
| 18:46.42 | Zzeiss | I've (1) added "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free" to my /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 18:46.43 | osfd_home | plop |
| 18:46.53 | Zzeiss | (2) I've done "apt-get update" |
| 18:46.56 | babilen | osfd_home: Do you require help? |
| 18:46.57 | jelly-home | I've managed to get myself kicked, so we're even. In any case, there is no version in wheezy-backports |
| 18:47.01 | osfd_home | how do you call tethering from computer to phone ? |
| 18:47.09 | osfd_home | babilen: sorry for the plops |
| 18:47.18 | babilen | np |
| 18:47.46 | Zzeiss | jelly-home: So... what now? build from source? |
| 18:48.21 | babilen | osfd_home: Isn't that simply called "tethering" too (or would that be "theherring" ?) -- you might also want to ask in #debian-offtopic, #android or another phone related channel |
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| 18:48.46 | osfd_home | babilen: ok, thank you |
| 18:49.17 | theseb | in general do solid state drives work as reliably with linux as the old kind? (i'm getting TIRED of hearing the SPINNING of the old kind of hard drive) |
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| 18:50.12 | Tasab | jiohdi, hi , still my system not working properly |
| 18:51.32 | swordsmanz | is there a way of installing gnome without the desktop components ? |
| 18:52.21 | h4k1m | babilen, since you re here, what can cause start-stop-daemon to not create the pid file in /var/run? |
| 18:52.21 | babilen | swordsmanz: What does that even mean? |
| 18:52.31 | babilen | h4k1m: I don't know |
| 18:52.41 | h4k1m | permissions maybe? |
| 18:52.57 | swordsmanz | babilen i need most of the dependancies but not the core programmes DM, WM ect . |
| 18:53.07 | babilen | h4k1m: Doubt it as you run it as root |
| 18:53.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell swordsmanz -about install gnome |
| 18:53.30 | h4k1m | that's right |
| 18:53.44 | rvh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.55 | babilen | swordsmanz: Just install whatever you want to install. (without recommends where appropriate) and the dependency resolution system will do the rest. So if you want to use evince then install that (or eog or ...) |
| 18:54.11 | jelly-home | rvh: which kernel is it? uname -a |
| 18:54.19 | swordsmanz | babilen herews the thing |
| 18:54.23 | rvh | has kernel 2.6.26 wants >= 2.6.32 |
| 18:54.26 | swordsmanz | there is a bug and it is not |
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| 18:54.42 | jelly-home | rvh: to forgot to upgrade kernel and reboot at lenny->squeeze time, then. |
| 18:54.51 | swordsmanz | and its not that simple when your building a system hop package by package |
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| 18:55.03 | jelly-home | rvh: you* (or the previous admin) forgot ... |
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| 18:55.34 | rvh | I plead ignorance |
| 18:55.36 | jelly-home | rvh: you'll have to do that now to continue |
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| 18:56.15 | jelly-home | good luck |
| 18:56.27 | rvh | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 18:58.12 | Tasab | swordsmanz, pls have a look 2 this link https://extensions.gnome.org , you will find what you looking for , thanks |
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| 18:59.00 | happytux | somiaj: ah |
| 18:59.13 | swordsmanz | Tasabthank you for that not usefull information |
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| 19:03.38 | swordsmanz | dose anyone have any ideas on tracking down dependancies for gnome apps are are you all just window licking retards ? |
| 19:04.04 | wols_ | swordsmanz: you really to to be gone from here? |
| 19:04.09 | average | swordsmanz: why are you so rude ? |
| 19:04.20 | wols_ | average: more like "why are you so stupid" |
| 19:04.29 | average | wols_: yeah but he didn't mean it |
| 19:04.32 | average | swordsmanz: did you ? |
| 19:04.32 | swordsmanz | average its just my natural state i mean no offence by it |
| 19:04.35 | nkuttler | or why are you still here.. |
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| 19:05.05 | wols_ | and our natural state is to ignore rude people. good day and don't let the door on your way out hit you |
| 19:05.18 | average | swordsmanz: debtree is quite useful for constructing Debian package dependency trees http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ |
| 19:05.30 | nkuttler | i also lose interest in helping people when they behave rudely.. |
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| 19:06.13 | average | wols_: I mean yeah, he is an idiot, but he didn't mean to be an idiot, he was just angry probably. Maybe he had like an extremely bad day |
| 19:06.16 | swordsmanz | I'm sorry but iv just spent 2 days trying to track down a dependancy issue so users can use a gnome based app with other window managers ... and i come in here and get told to check out extensions.gnome.org |
| 19:06.33 | swordsmanz | in anyones book thats fucking condescending and useless information |
| 19:06.49 | nkuttler | swordsmanz: no reason to insult everybody else though |
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| 19:06.53 | average | swordsmanz: but your anger is to be directed at Gnome and not Debian if I'm not mistaken |
| 19:07.19 | swordsmanz | detain too because the dependancies should be listed |
| 19:07.38 | average | swordsmanz: I have just pointed you to debtree , have you tried it ? |
| 19:07.44 | swordsmanz | becouse the app and its previous incarnation will oth run without gnome |
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| 19:08.09 | average | swordsmanz: please read my message, you are on a slippery slope to getting kicked/banned if you continue like this |
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| 19:08.38 | _rsc` | Moin. |
| 19:08.42 | swordsmanz | average i have checked the dependancies both in the package manager and online |
| 19:08.46 | mingtsay | sorry, how to setup L2TP? |
| 19:08.53 | average | swordsmanz: so what is the problem then ? |
| 19:09.04 | swordsmanz | the package assumes a substantial amount to be installed that is not |
| 19:09.16 | swordsmanz | (in its own dependancy list ) |
| 19:09.28 | average | swordsmanz: so you're saying the dep list is too fat, is that it ? |
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| 19:09.33 | average | swordsmanz: did I understand you correctly ? |
| 19:09.45 | swordsmanz | no the dep list is too small |
| 19:09.52 | swordsmanz | my a large factor |
| 19:09.55 | swordsmanz | by* |
| 19:10.06 | swordsmanz | and ASSUMES gnome to be installed |
| 19:10.14 | average | swordsmanz: but this contradicts what you've just said |
| 19:10.14 | wols_ | you are wrong |
| 19:10.20 | swordsmanz | when it is not entirely required |
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| 19:10.38 | average | swordsmanz: listen, go and write your thoughts on paper, and come back with an actual useful complaint |
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| 19:11.13 | swordsmanz | this is not a complain its a request for help from someone who actually knows the workings of the gnome system |
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| 19:11.32 | swordsmanz | and might be able to help me track down the packages that are not on the dependancy list |
| 19:11.38 | swordsmanz | so they can be added |
| 19:11.38 | average | swordsmanz: you are free to build your own packages btw, nobody is stopping you |
| 19:12.00 | average | swordsmanz: but you can ask in #gnome too. and you can also contact the Debian Maintainers that are working on Gnome-related packages |
| 19:12.22 | wols_ | someone is utterly clueless about debian. all the packages are on the dependency list. depdencies of dependencies happen |
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| 19:12.33 | swordsmanz | yes and if i wanted to compile my own binary i would have been done with this two days ago |
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| 19:12.34 | average | swordsmanz: you may find the maintainers in irc.debian.org I believe |
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| 19:14.39 | abrotman | yes .. he's a jerk, so send him to developers .. great idea |
| 19:14.55 | swordsmanz | abrotman im not a jerk |
| 19:15.08 | average | abrotman: ok, I was wrong, sorry |
| 19:15.18 | abrotman | swordsmanz: Don't feel bad, the guy sending you there isn't far off :) |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | swordsmanz: What is the actual problem you're having? |
| 19:15.33 | average | :( |
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| 19:15.49 | abrotman | average: I'm glad you're not playing bikeshed anymore .. |
| 19:15.50 | swordsmanz | abrotman I'm trying to run gnome-pie with awesome |
| 19:15.55 | abrotman | okay, and? |
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| 19:16.03 | swordsmanz | and gnome-pie assumes gnome to be installed |
| 19:16.04 | abrotman | assumes there's more to the story. |
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| 19:16.14 | abrotman | swordsmanz: installed, or running? |
| 19:16.23 | swordsmanz | installed |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | So what's the problem then? |
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| 19:16.43 | swordsmanz | it errors out when cyleing thru directories |
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| 19:16.53 | abrotman | cycling? |
| 19:16.53 | swordsmanz | (as far as i can tell) |
| 19:17.11 | swordsmanz | yeah its goes and pills in a load of needed stuffs |
| 19:17.12 | abrotman | Did you force install the package to avoid installing gnome? |
| 19:17.17 | abrotman | or this is while installing it? |
| 19:17.19 | swordsmanz | no |
| 19:17.25 | swordsmanz | this is at runtime |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | swordsmanz: putting errors in pastebins helps quite a bit |
| 19:17.32 | swordsmanz | it installs file |
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| 19:17.50 | abrotman | (paste.debian.net please) |
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| 19:20.09 | abrotman | waits for the paste .. |
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| 19:21.11 | swordsmanz | hold on |
| 19:21.23 | swordsmanz | i don't have the error running right now |
| 19:21.34 | abrotman | ugh |
| 19:21.51 | swordsmanz | but but i did find the erro line in the code erlyer |
| 19:21.58 | swordsmanz | so i can get that |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | erlyer indeed ... |
| 19:22.27 | swordsmanz | sorry about the spelling |
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| 19:23.50 | swordsmanz | https://github.com/Simmesimme/Gnome-Pie/blob/master/src/utilities/paths.vala < it sites paths.vala line 177 at arrow with a directory dose not exist with it |
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| 19:24.58 | ompaul | swordsmanz: why not run it in wait for the error because other things might at play |
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| 19:26.41 | swordsmanz | nope even when i can get it to run by doing strange things there are still a lot of things missing or that should be in runtime already |
| 19:27.20 | swordsmanz | i have had it in a state where it has passed that error and is still Vproblematic |
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| 19:35.36 | swordsmanz | so none has ideas on tracking the scorch of the problem ? |
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| 19:46.45 | r00sri | I've got a good one |
| 19:46.53 | r00sri | ntpd won't stay running |
| 19:46.59 | r00sri | because I have too many IP addresses on a server |
| 19:47.24 | r00sri | I've been reading that openntp can be configured to only listen on a single IP address |
| 19:47.26 | r00sri | is this true? |
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| 19:56.31 | jelly-home | r00sri: why do you think it's the ip addresses that make it not work? |
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| 19:57.07 | r00sri | ntpd won't start, syslog shows it listening on each individual IP |
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| 19:57.38 | r00sri | I believe it's related to the undisciplined local clock settings I have set up |
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| 19:58.02 | Passwd | hi |
| 19:58.07 | Passwd | how to create user? |
| 19:58.50 | Passwd | passwd: Authentication failure |
| 19:58.51 | Passwd | passwd: password unchanged |
| 19:59.12 | jelly-home | r00sri: no, listening on each ip separately is normal for ntpd |
| 19:59.12 | Passwd | ý cannt creat user |
| 19:59.36 | babilen | Passwd: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.creating-accounts.html + http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.user-group-databases.html |
| 19:59.47 | peterrooney | Passwd: usually with adduser |
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| 20:00.09 | jelly-home | r00sri: is a ntpd process running already? |
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| 20:00.18 | r00sri | nope |
| 20:00.26 | r00sri | I'm messing with openntpd at the moment |
| 20:01.16 | Passwd | peterrooney |
| 20:01.30 | Passwd | ý use after not accept user password |
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| 20:02.07 | Passwd | ý use Debia vyata |
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| 20:02.53 | Passwd | Creating home directory `/home/zzz' ... |
| 20:02.54 | Passwd | Copying files from `/etc/skel' ... |
| 20:02.54 | Passwd | passwd: Authentication failure |
| 20:02.54 | Passwd | passwd: password unchanged |
| 20:02.54 | Passwd | Try again? [y/N] |
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| 20:04.17 | Passwd | pls help me |
| 20:05.28 | Passwd | how to ý can set password user name? |
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| 20:13.05 | Passwd | passwd zzz |
| 20:13.05 | Passwd | passwd: Authentication failure |
| 20:13.05 | Passwd | passwd: password unchanged |
| 20:13.09 | Passwd | what is this? |
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| 20:16.03 | babilen | Passwd: A command you ran and its output. You seem to have created a zzz user beforehand by some other means. Remove that user (userdel, deluser) and recreate it in a supported way (use adduser) -- or set its password by running "passwd zzz" as root. Not sure what you've done and I would also ask you to paste things to http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:16.19 | Passwd | http://paste.debian.net/96632/ |
| 20:16.25 | babilen | Passwd: Might want to include the output of "getent passwd zzz" |
| 20:16.37 | Passwd | look babilen |
| 20:16.41 | Passwd | http://paste.debian.net/96632/ |
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| 20:17.42 | Passwd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.42 | Passwd | admin:x:1001:1000:ehueuhe,sfasf,sf,:/home/admin:/bin/bash |
| 20:18.08 | Passwd | how to ý can change user "admin" passwd? |
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| 20:18.16 | Passwd | passwd admin "new pass" |
| 20:18.24 | Passwd | ý known but not be |
| 20:19.03 | Passwd | 1:~# passwd admin |
| 20:19.04 | Passwd | passwd: Authentication failure |
| 20:19.04 | Passwd | passwd: password unchanged |
| 20:19.41 | Passwd | ý use debian vyata |
| 20:19.55 | babilen | Passwd: Please don't paste into the channel -- Did you change anything specific about user creation? Can you create other new users with, say, "adduser testuser" ? |
| 20:20.08 | Passwd | ok |
| 20:20.11 | Passwd | yes |
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| 20:20.36 | Passwd | Try again? [y/N] |
| 20:20.40 | Passwd | what is this? |
| 20:20.49 | Passwd | ý chose yes or no? |
| 20:21.08 | babilen | Passwd: What does "apt-cache policy adduser" give you? |
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| 20:21.14 | Passwd | adduser testuser |
| 20:21.15 | Passwd | Adding user `testuser' ... |
| 20:21.15 | Passwd | Adding new group `testuser' (1001) ... |
| 20:21.15 | Passwd | Adding new user `testuser' (1002) with group `testuser' ... |
| 20:21.15 | Passwd | Creating home directory `/home/testuser' ... |
| 20:21.15 | Passwd | Copying files from `/etc/skel' ... |
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| 20:21.19 | babilen | ffs |
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| 20:21.27 | Passwd | http://paste.debian.net/96634/ |
| 20:21.29 | Passwd | exu me |
| 20:21.30 | Passwd | :( |
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| 20:22.01 | babilen | Passwd: Do *not* paste into the channel. I've told you already and you keep on repeating that. What does "apt-cache policy adduser" give you? |
| 20:22.38 | babilen | Passwd: You also seem to have created the zzz and/or admin user with a different tool than adduser before. Is that correct? |
| 20:23.02 | Passwd | http://paste.debian.net/96635/ |
| 20:23.28 | Passwd | testuser |
| 20:23.38 | Passwd | omg |
| 20:23.43 | babilen | Passwd: Are you using Debian? |
| 20:23.50 | Passwd | yes |
| 20:23.55 | babilen | Passwd: Which version? |
| 20:24.10 | Passwd | bash: Which: command not found |
| 20:24.16 | Passwd | Debian vyata |
| 20:24.30 | Passwd | how to ý can check versin? |
| 20:24.34 | Passwd | version* |
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| 20:24.52 | babilen | Passwd: That is not Debian, but a derivative and not supported in here. Please seek support in ##vyatta |
| 20:25.08 | babilen | (or install Debian -- /msg dpkg install debian) |
| 20:25.27 | Passwd | :/ |
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| 20:26.13 | Ruum | hey guys i have a very quick and simple question |
| 20:26.37 | Ruum | are the python packages required to run debian |
| 20:26.45 | Ruum | I just want to know before I remove it. |
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| 20:27.32 | Passwd | Ruum are say me? |
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| 20:27.38 | mtn | Ruum: do you know what python is used for? |
| 20:29.21 | Ruum | mtn ya, its a programming language - I know this is a very simple question, I just want to double check to make sure that there are no main processes using it. |
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| 20:29.50 | meek_geek | hi |
| 20:29.56 | mtn | Ruum: it is not a simple question. I think it was installed for a reason. why would you remove it? |
| 20:30.01 | meek_geek | is debian testing before than sid ? |
| 20:30.10 | babilen | Ruum: They are not essential, but *a lot* of things use Python and I wouldn't recommend removing it if you don't have to. |
| 20:30.24 | babilen | meek_geek: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 20:30.40 | Ruum | babilen ok, I was just going to use this server for LAMP |
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| 20:30.56 | Passwd | Debian 5.0 x64 |
| 20:31.03 | Passwd | Debian 5.0 x86 |
| 20:31.09 | Passwd | Debian 6.0 x64 |
| 20:31.13 | Passwd | Which good? |
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| 20:31.40 | babilen | Passwd: Please stop pasting random things into this channel. Your distribution is also not supported in here but in ##vyatta |
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| 20:32.04 | babilen | Ruum: Yes, still a lot of tools you will want to use depend on it. |
| 20:32.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell Passwd -about install debian |
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| 20:39.14 | kanliot | i have debian installed already, but i want to install 32-bit sid on a second drive. can i do this, without burning boot media? like a 32-bit debbootstrap or something? |
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| 20:39.45 | babilen | kanliot: yes |
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| 20:41.13 | Ruum | kk babilen, I will keep it for now. |
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| 20:41.33 | meek_geek | I think debian testing based linux are awesome |
| 20:42.09 | kanliot | babilen, should i google 32-bit debbootstrap? |
| 20:43.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell kanliot -about debootstrap |
| 20:43.32 | babilen | kanliot: I'm curious though: Why do you want it? Why not a VM? LXC? docker? vagrant? |
| 20:44.33 | kanliot | babilen i am a bit too noob to easily go to sid and back on my main pc and i have some 32 bit games |
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| 20:45.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell kanliot -about multiarch |
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| 20:45.31 | babilen | kanliot: You can install and run 32 bit libraries and applications natively on amd64 |
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| 20:45.50 | babilen | (no idea about games as I haven't touched one in 13 years) |
| 20:46.38 | chimeracoder | Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but has anyone here tried Debian on the Thinkpad X1 Carbon (2nd gen)? |
| 20:47.33 | kanliot | babilen ia32-libs is a package i think i need but it's not in wheezy right now |
| 20:47.37 | Passwd | . |
| 20:47.41 | Passwd | hi |
| 20:47.50 | Passwd | ý want install python? |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | kanliot: You no longer need that, but you would install the libraries you want *directly* -- |
| 20:48.08 | Passwd | we use yum? |
| 20:48.32 | babilen | Passwd: Please try to speak proper English in here -- It is "I" not whatever you are using there and: Are you running Debian now? |
| 20:48.38 | Passwd | yes |
| 20:48.55 | swordsmanz | sexual attraction to swiss cheese, perversion or legitimate orientation ... discuss |
| 20:49.03 | Passwd | i want install python |
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| 20:51.13 | babilen | Passwd: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 20:54.48 | Passwd | http://paste.debian.net/96650/ |
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| 20:56.40 | Passwd | are u see babilen |
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| 20:57.51 | kanliot | tyvm babilen |
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| 20:58.07 | jelly-home | Passwd: you seem to have installed a version of libc6-dev newer than what is available in Debian 7 |
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| 20:58.26 | jelly-home | Passwd: and you removed those repos afterwards |
| 20:58.54 | Passwd | no have my company debia7 |
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| 20:59.28 | jelly-home | Passwd: then whoever made that image you installed messed up well |
| 21:00.03 | Passwd | jelly-home ý use vps |
| 21:00.04 | jelly-home | Passwd: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy python2.7 libc6 libc6-dev dpkg" |
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| 21:01.43 | Passwd | apt-cache policy :http://paste.debian.net/96653/ |
| 21:02.33 | Passwd | apt-cache policy python2.7 libc6 libc6-dev dpkg: http://paste.debian.net/96655/ |
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| 21:04.10 | jelly-home | Passwd: ouch. You have packages and repos from old Debian 6 on the system, but also have the unstable repo enabled. This is not supported in any way, really. |
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| 21:04.47 | jelly-home | ,v python2.7 |
| 21:04.48 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; jessie: 2.7.6-8; sid: 2.7.6-8 |
| 21:04.53 | Passwd | Does not ? |
| 21:05.13 | Passwd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:06.04 | jelly-home | Passwd: no. You should remove all deb lines for repos not mentioning squeeze from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:06.17 | jelly-home | !squeeze sources.list |
| 21:06.18 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:06.30 | Passwd | ým add this? |
| 21:06.52 | jelly-home | add ONLY that (or keep just your existing squeeze repos) |
| 21:07.32 | jelly-home | ,v python2.6 |
| 21:07.33 | judd | Package: python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.8-1.1 |
| 21:08.13 | jelly-home | Passwd: there is python2.6 in squeeze (debian 6), and your system looks like debian 6. |
| 21:08.26 | Passwd | does not :( |
| 21:08.29 | Passwd | Debian 5.0 x86 or Debian 6.0 x64 |
| 21:08.35 | Passwd | which install? |
| 21:09.01 | jelly-home | Passwd: did you do what dpkg bot suggested above? |
| 21:09.36 | Passwd | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:11.06 | Passwd | my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/96662/ |
| 21:11.13 | Passwd | same |
| 21:12.02 | ctmjr | guessing no |
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| 21:13.51 | Passwd | ým add deb http://http.debian.net/debian |
| 21:14.16 | Passwd | after aptitude update |
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| 21:14.24 | SynrG | Passwd: are you trying to crossgrade your system from a Debian derivative to a later release? |
| 21:15.22 | Passwd | Debian 6.0 because my company have this and another linux |
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| 21:16.48 | petern_ | squeeze, squeeze-proposed, unstable, experimental & testing? wow |
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| 21:19.25 | ctmjr | that is horribly broken you have everything in your sources list but wheezy. I would not evem attempt that in a vm |
| 21:20.10 | SynrG | If you upgraded or installed anything on that, start over with a fresh install. |
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| 21:31.46 | peterrooney | I can't believe I'm seeing that. |
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| 22:02.35 | AlexPortable | I can ./program |
| 22:02.44 | AlexPortable | but i can't ./home/alex/program |
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| 22:02.53 | AlexPortable | file or folder doesnt exists |
| 22:03.46 | petern_ | AlexPortable, do you know what ./ means? |
| 22:03.58 | OpenTokix | AlexPortable: remove the ./ in the beginning o ./home... |
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| 22:04.18 | SynrG | No |
| 22:04.45 | AlexPortable | thanks |
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| 22:04.59 | SynrG | Just the . |
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| 22:05.42 | SynrG | And what petern_ asked. Do you know what it means? |
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| 22:06.13 | AlexPortable | nope |
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| 22:06.27 | SynrG | . is the current directory. |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | would suggest not even bother trying to explain .. |
| 22:06.54 | SynrG | ./path is a subdirectory of the current working directory |
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| 22:08.20 | SynrG | It's what is called a relative path. A path starting with / is an absolute path, not related to the current directory. |
| 22:08.21 | AlexPortable | ah |
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| 22:09.15 | AlexPortable | thanks |
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| 22:46.32 | sakang | looks like there is no policy-kit for lxde in wheezy? |
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| 22:47.00 | sakang | I see only for gnome |
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| 22:55.43 | ksx4system | I've tried to install "git" package but dpkg broke itself. Now it gives me this error http://paste.mac.info.pl/?ef6baa6a25ac3a17#3A/E3L93C99ofs5Iyayx0me4wi6nblDPnW/OqnoIh2U= and apt-get -f install can't help |
| 22:56.06 | ksx4system | I can't also uninstall git and package which can't install itself (libldap-something) |
| 22:56.12 | ksx4system | how to fix it? |
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| 22:58.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ksx4system about overwrite |
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| 22:58.57 | ksx4system | abrotman: dpkg bot has no idea ;) |
| 23:00.04 | zh1 | http://paste.debian.net/96680/ is it ok? |
| 23:01.02 | ksx4system | abrotman: fixed :) |
| 23:01.18 | ksx4system | apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install libldap-2.4-2 |
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| 23:12.42 | happytux | I am trying to upload over sftp using dput-ng. |
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| 23:12.44 | happytux | But dput-ng (or better the underlying paramiko ssh library) doesn't use the ssh config and no key authentication. |
| 23:12.52 | happytux | Is there an option to make this possible? |
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| 23:17.03 | yakamo | hi i am having a prob with fuse, i get this error : could not insert 'fuse': unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter |
| 23:17.13 | yakamo | anyone know what could be causing this |
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| 23:47.36 | zub | Hi. I'd like to extend my project (some program) to allow building debian packages of it. I read https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian and I can do it, if I manually create a source package first. But ideally I'd like to keep the "debian" directory inside the (not tared) sources and just use it. Could someone point me to info on how to do it? |
| 23:48.38 | zub | I found some random program that has this, but the contents of "debian" directory is a bit too complicated for me to extract it, and I think it uses things that are obsolete-by-now (i.e. it doesn't look that much like the wiki recommends) |
| 23:49.22 | abrotman | complicated how ? |
| 23:50.23 | zub | my debian/rules is simple, just override_dh_..., he other debian/rules include e.g. this |
| 23:50.26 | zub | # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. GNU copyright 1997 by Joey Hess. |
| 23:50.50 | zub | nah, I can try to use that and slim it down |
| 23:51.25 | zub | mine uses override_... the other uses clean:, install: |
| 23:51.33 | dondelelcaro | zub: in general, dh_make will do the right things to get you started |
| 23:52.02 | dondelelcaro | zub: and yes, that's generally deprecated now for most packages |
| 23:52.30 | dondelelcaro | w(writing rules iwhen %: dh $@ is good enough) |
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| 23:58.33 | zub | dondelelcaro: thanks, indeed dh_make helped |
| 23:58.46 | zub | I think the keyword I was missing was "native". |
| 23:58.58 | dondelelcaro | zub: you actually don't want a native package |
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| 23:59.09 | zub | too bad :) |
| 23:59.11 | dondelelcaro | zub: tell your package to be 3.0 (quilt) |
| 23:59.16 | dondelelcaro | zub: and it'll do the right thing |
| 23:59.45 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you have a real upstream source package) |