| 00:00.07 | dondelelcaro | of course, in the interim, you can fake it with a native package |
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| 00:00.37 | zub | it's my own source, and I want to make it easy to just build the package from source, w/o creating "upstream" tarball |
| 00:00.50 | zub | anyway I changed it to quilt and it still seems to work as I want |
| 00:01.32 | dondelelcaro | it'll work fine until you actually create a Debian source package |
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| 00:01.54 | dondelelcaro | the native/quilt/etc thing describes how the source package is created |
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| 00:08.22 | s0m3b0dy | Hello, Im having some trouble running the jnlp console on my iDRAC panel as my server is down |
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| 00:08.31 | s0m3b0dy | didn't know if this was the best place to ask |
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| 00:21.18 | zub | So, not there yet :(. What I have: my-program/configure, src, ..., and also debian/... (either what I hack together reading tutorial, or what dh_make produces) |
| 00:21.44 | zub | dh_make tells me: Could not find blah_1.0.orig.tar.xz. Either specify an alternate file to use with -f, or add --createorig to create one. |
| 00:22.07 | zub | while what I want is to use the my-program directory as is |
| 00:22.17 | abrotman | zub: you might want to visit #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:22.39 | zub | should I not want this? I could just create a script that creates the orig tarball to make it happy, if that's the way to go |
| 00:22.42 | zub | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | zub: it's a channel targeted at packaging |
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| 00:25.49 | k-man | i've noticed that automysqlbackup these days causes a warning email "-- Warning: Skipping the data of table mysql.event. Specify the --events option explicitly." which seems to be to do with the mysqldump option --events |
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| 00:26.43 | k-man | apparently you can silence the warning by adding "events" to the mysqldump sesion of my.cnf but for some reason automysqlbackup seems to still give the warning. even though mysqldump from the command line does not |
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| 00:27.47 | kdog | pipes up with the silly question: k-man does mysql service need to be restarted to re-read the conf? |
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| 00:30.02 | k-man | kdog, i did restart it, and i confirmed that i don't get the warning when i run mysqldump from the cli. is it possible automysqlbackup uses a different my.cnf? is that setting server related or client related do you think? |
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| 00:33.41 | k-man | yes, that may well be it, the debian automysqlbackup references /etc/mysql/debian.cnf for its settings |
| 00:34.00 | kdog | k-man: I haven't used that package. "dpkg -L automysqlbackup" might show you if it creates a different .cnf file |
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| 00:35.42 | kdog | k-man: ah, there you go |
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| 00:35.55 | k-man | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721877 |
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| 00:36.02 | k-man | should have thought of looking for the bug report earlier |
| 00:36.31 | kdog | k-man: how is that package working for you otherwise? I need to start taking snapshots of my db |
| 00:36.43 | k-man | very good kdog |
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| 00:37.06 | k-man | i dump to a local directory, and use rsync to keep backups of that offsite |
| 00:37.39 | kdog | k-man: nice. I'll look into it. That's why I hang out here and help the little I can. I'm always picking up new info :-) |
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| 00:38.42 | k-man | yeah |
| 00:39.14 | kdog | k-man: I've been using backuppc for years, but need a safe way to dump the db's rather than just copying the files in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 00:39.51 | k-man | kdog, oh yeah, definately check out automysqlbackup. it automatically keeps daily/weekly/monthly too |
| 00:39.56 | kdog | plays with fire, wears nomex, and rightly so still occasionally gets burnt! |
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| 00:54.01 | kdog | k-man: so, would the easiest way to fix your automysqlbackup be to adjust all the references to debian.cnf in /etc/default/automysqlbackup to point to /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
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| 00:54.55 | k-man | no |
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| 00:55.22 | k-man | debian.cnf contains a login/pw that is for programs that need root access to the database |
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| 00:55.49 | k-man | i just wrote a blog post on fixing it: https://emacstragic.net/automysqlbackup-errors-reported-mysql-backup-error-log-warning-skipping-data-table-mysql-event-specify-events-option-explicitly/ |
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| 01:00.11 | k-man | which package creates the debian.nf file? |
| 01:00.17 | k-man | debian.cnf i mean |
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| 01:03.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell k-man about apt-file |
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| 01:03.58 | k-man | dpkg, tell abrotman that apt-file doesn't find it |
| 01:04.03 | k-man | ;) |
| 01:04.15 | k-man | i think its a generated file rather than a distributed file |
| 01:04.23 | kdog | same with dpkg -S |
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| 01:04.41 | abrotman | k-man: then it was generated by a package script |
| 01:06.09 | k-man | abrotman, yeah, as i suspected |
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| 01:09.09 | abrotman | k-man: you might be able to grep the control files |
| 01:09.19 | k-man | ah |
| 01:09.25 | k-man | where are the control files? |
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| 01:10.27 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 01:11.57 | k-man | thanks abrotman that narrowed it down to mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 01:13.03 | k-man | hmm... maybe i should submit a patch to it |
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| 01:15.12 | k-man | anyone care to walk me through the process of patching a control file in mysql-server-5.5 and submitting a patch? |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | patching why? |
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| 01:16.00 | k-man | abrotman, so there is a feature of mysql that it now warns when you do a mysqldump that you are not dumping the events tables |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | in stable? |
| 01:16.43 | k-man | abrotman, which means automysqlbackup sends you a warning email every time it runs. the solution is to tell mysql to backup the events tables too |
| 01:16.46 | k-man | abrotman, yes |
| 01:17.01 | k-man | oh i should check in unstable first right? |
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| 01:17.57 | Extensa5630G | not sure what is the point of this update in my debian wheezy kde http://i.imgur.com/1SBv6z6.png |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | k-man: well, sort of .. |
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| 01:18.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Extensa5630G about dsa |
| 01:19.42 | deepblue | how to put icons on gnime desktop? |
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| 01:20.20 | abrotman | gnome-tweak-tool, tell it to use nautilus |
| 01:20.37 | wondiws | I'm trying to clone a git repository with my debian system, but get a certificate error |
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| 01:20.46 | wondiws | which packet do I need to install, if any? |
| 01:21.08 | wondiws | my sid system has no problems with connecting to the git repository @googlecode |
| 01:22.24 | k-man | google is not revealing much in the way of guidance on submitting and fixing bugs |
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| 01:25.22 | abrotman | k-man: you would file a bug and attach a patch (using the patch utility) |
| 01:27.16 | k-man | abrotman, /usr/bin/patch ? |
| 01:27.35 | k-man | or rather diff |
| 01:27.51 | k-man | or do you mean a debian specific tool |
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| 01:29.23 | abrotman | k-man: sorry, brain fart .. yes, created using diff |
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| 01:31.01 | k-man | ok so roughly speaking - download source of package, modify files, test, use diff to create a patch. submit patch as an attachment to a bug report |
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| 01:40.37 | riceandbeans | anyone care to help me with a simple shell script? |
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| 01:41.10 | abrotman | riceandbeans: #bash is available |
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| 01:42.14 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I didn't say bash |
| 01:42.17 | riceandbeans | I said shell |
| 01:42.21 | riceandbeans | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.26 | riceandbeans | I don't want any bashisms |
| 01:42.28 | themill | dpkg: tell riceandbeans about ask |
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| 01:42.57 | riceandbeans | themill: when do you use `` vs not using `` |
| 01:43.11 | riceandbeans | other than in the case of RESULT=`somecommand -flag` |
| 01:43.19 | themill | ask the channel, not me |
| 01:43.37 | riceandbeans | abrotman: btw, systemd broke my sid setup |
| 01:43.44 | themill | (and there's no reason you couldn't ask #bash that) |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | riceandbeans: not likely .. I suspect you did :) |
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| 01:44.05 | riceandbeans | abrotman: no, sid won't allow hald and dbus to install with systemd |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | riceandbeans: I believe backticks are generally discouraged now |
| 01:44.20 | riceandbeans | abrotman: so it won't fully install |
| 01:44.27 | riceandbeans | abrotman: so it borked on updating grub |
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| 01:44.37 | riceandbeans | abrotman: so my fully encrypted system can no longer boot |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | riceandbeans: that's a lie, i have dbus installed |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | riceandbeans: one problem at a time |
| 01:44.49 | riceandbeans | abrotman: do you run sid? |
| 01:45.06 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I'm not asking you to fix my sid, debian damned itself upon converting to systemd |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | riceandbeans: Feel free to use Gentoo |
| 01:45.16 | themill | forcing hald off the system sounds like a feature not abug |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:45.24 | riceandbeans | I'm walking away from debian for good when it hits stable |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | riceandbeans: might as well start now .. |
| 01:45.34 | riceandbeans | 10 years man |
| 01:45.45 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I've migrated most of my systems to DragonFlyBSD |
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| 01:46.01 | abrotman | yay! no more questions from riceandbeans! |
| 01:46.03 | riceandbeans | what's left of the linux is Slackware, minus a couple Debian systems |
| 01:46.04 | themill | riceandbeans: let us know when you have an on-topic support question. |
| 01:46.23 | riceandbeans | themill: :( |
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| 01:46.46 | riceandbeans | themill: how bout this, for users of squeeze, is the apt repository for lts changing? |
| 01:46.55 | riceandbeans | or can they still keep the same apt repo they always had |
| 01:47.03 | themill | it will probably change. |
| 01:47.12 | riceandbeans | I know some people who will stick with it for a litte bit |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 01:47.35 | riceandbeans | themill: given that systemd has already befouled sid as default, will it be default in 8? |
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| 01:47.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | riceandbeans: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:48.03 | somiaj | riceandbeans: the plan is for systemd to be default in jessie, though sysvinit will still be supported |
| 01:48.08 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I might have to throw out my Debian mug :( |
| 01:48.20 | themill | riceandbeans: don't generalise from you screwing up your system to systemd is broken. |
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| 01:48.29 | abrotman | riceandbeans: No one cares. If you don't want to use systemd, find another distro .. stop whining |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | riceandbeans: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:48.48 | riceandbeans | themill: systemd isn't not broken, but it IS broken in sid as of last night at least |
| 01:48.58 | themill | riceandbeans: not here |
| 01:49.06 | somiaj | riceandbeans: or just install sysvinit on the system and use that, afiak it will be supported as in package matainers should be providing init scripts that work for either sysvinit or systemd |
| 01:49.25 | abrotman | riceandbeans: you mean the same versoin in jessie? |
| 01:49.26 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I come here because typically the debian crowd is a few notches higher in intellect than the average people around here |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | judd: versions systemd |
| 01:49.43 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-8~bpo70+1; jessie: 204-8; sid: 204-10; experimental: 208-1 |
| 01:49.46 | riceandbeans | abrotman: I don't use testing due to the release cycle |
| 01:49.58 | themill | riceandbeans: that's great -- this is a support channel. If you have a support question, then ask it. If not, then there's nothing to discuss. |
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| 01:50.02 | abrotman | riceandbeans: you're missing the point .. it's not screwed up as of last night .. it's been that way for at least 2-10 days .. |
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| 01:50.24 | riceandbeans | abrotman: ok, well I dist-upgraded last night and it forced systemd in and sysv out |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | riceandbeans: again, do you need help with Debian? systemd whining is pointless |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | if you want help with systemd, just say so |
| 01:51.11 | riceandbeans | will there be a duality in the debian world? |
| 01:51.16 | riceandbeans | akin to ubuntu |
| 01:51.26 | riceandbeans | a server vs desktop version |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | I don't see how that's related to any of the above |
| 01:51.37 | themill | no, because that's silly |
| 01:51.39 | riceandbeans | granted I realize in ubuntu it's mostly a difference of a couple metapackages |
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| 01:51.44 | riceandbeans | hear me out |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | oh joy |
| 01:51.52 | riceandbeans | systemd isn't really designed for servers at all |
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| 01:52.00 | Mysterytrain | what is a good tool for cli monitoring of battyer usage on a laptop? |
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| 01:52.07 | abrotman | riceandbeans: again, whining about systemd isn't appropriate here |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | riceandbeans: You're late to the party, it's been beaten to death. Append the bug if you think you have something useful to contribute |
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| 01:54.31 | somiaj | Mysterytrain: I don't thikn there is any 'good' tool, but there should be a file in /sys that you can just cat that gives current bat % |
| 01:55.18 | dondelelcaro | Mysterytrain: acpi; will just work in most cases |
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| 01:55.45 | Mysterytrain | ah I was looking into setting up an alarm script |
| 01:55.52 | Revolt | What's the point of ctrl+alt |
| 01:55.58 | Revolt | ctrl atl f1 |
| 01:56.07 | Revolt | when you can just open a terminal instead. |
| 01:56.10 | dondelelcaro | Mysterytrain: I personally use a utility I wrote (http://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=bin.git;a=blob_plain;f=pb;hb=HEAD) |
| 01:56.13 | SirLagz | Revolt: to switch to a proper terminal |
| 01:56.20 | SirLagz | Revolt: so you could do things like stop X |
| 01:56.44 | dondelelcaro | Mysterytrain: but that's horribly specific to hardware I own or have owned |
| 01:56.52 | Revolt | alright |
| 01:56.59 | Mysterytrain | ah |
| 01:57.48 | Mysterytrain | dondelelcaro: I'm sur ei can patch it up |
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| 01:58.43 | cafuego | Also pretty sure the `acpi' tool should spit out battery info. |
| 01:58.48 | somiaj | Mysterytrain: yea forgot about acpi, but I finally found it on my machine, /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/ has various info about the state of the batery |
| 01:58.51 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, it does. |
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| 01:59.33 | Mysterytrain | I have this laptop with a cli-only system. I bet I can probably squeeze quite a bit of power out of it, with no gui's |
| 01:59.49 | cafuego | Mysterytrain: undoubtedl |
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| 02:00.16 | cafuego | betetr yet, repalce the HDD with an SSD. Did wonders for my old laptop. |
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| 02:00.29 | Mysterytrain | yeah I might do that |
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| 02:01.03 | cafuego | Although the lack of weight in the hdd bay meant it kept toppling backwards if i opened the screen too far :-) |
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| 02:01.20 | dondelelcaro | and you'll have the added bonus of it being faster and less susceptible to head crashes from shock |
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| 02:29.56 | james0r | how can i unsubscribe to a package so i stop getting bug reports etc...? |
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| 02:31.02 | abrotman | isn't there an option at the top of the bug page? |
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| 02:32.03 | seyacat | hi debian! |
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| 02:32.43 | SirLagz | hi seyacat |
| 02:32.46 | seyacat | i have problems with pm utils on debian jessie |
| 02:33.06 | seyacat | pm-suspend and hibernate symply dont do nothing |
| 02:33.21 | SirLagz | I've never used suspend or hibernate lol...sorry |
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| 02:33.50 | seyacat | mmm i use a lot on latptop |
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| 02:34.28 | ebfull | is pulseaudio / alsa interaction buggy right now on debian-testing |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | ebfull: it's working okay for me |
| 02:35.05 | ebfull | right now i'm having a problem: spotify plays just fine, but as soon as i start teamspeak it's muted until teamspeak is closed |
| 02:35.32 | ebfull | i can also replicate the problem if i do "move-sink-input" on the spotify sink to a null sink, when returned to the default sink it will not play even though other applications are playing to it |
| 02:35.34 | seyacat | i solve mutting probles with pavucontrol |
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| 02:35.46 | ebfull | i'll check it out |
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| 02:36.11 | james0r | ahh found it. it's the same input area you use to subscribe. |
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| 02:37.04 | ebfull | seyacat: thank you! i could just unmute spotify straight from there |
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| 02:37.25 | ebfull | i don't understand why it's muted but i will attempt to automatically unmute my sink inputs with a script |
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| 02:38.24 | seyacat | ebfull, wellcome |
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| 02:49.44 | ScottSteiner- | I have ipv6 enabled on my router and can access ipv6 sites from a Windows system, but not a GNU/Linux (debian) system. Any idea what could cause this, since radvd seems to be working? |
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| 02:52.31 | ^Mike\b | what desktop environment is this? https://imgur.com/giIYQRf |
| 02:53.29 | ScottSteiner | looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_%28user_interface%29 |
| 02:53.54 | ProfOak_ | ^Mike\b: gnome 3 |
| 02:54.06 | ^Mike\b | cool, thanks |
| 02:54.24 | ^Mike\b | it's hideous, so I need to know what it's called to find a way to fix it ;) |
| 02:54.32 | ProfOak_ | haha |
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| 02:56.21 | ProfOak_ | ^Mike\b: What are you going to replace it with? |
| 02:56.44 | ^Mike\b | I'll try some themes first, unless you have a recommendation |
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| 02:57.06 | ProfOak_ | What's your linux experience level and willing to experience? |
| 02:57.07 | seyacat | hello again |
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| 02:58.40 | ^Mike\b | ProfOak_: I've been using linux for... 7 years? on desktop and server. |
| 02:59.27 | ProfOak_ | ^Mike\b: you don't have a favorite window manager or desktop environment? |
| 02:59.27 | planet_ | i am considering using http://dwm.suckless.org/ |
| 02:59.53 | ProfOak_ | I use dwm on my laptop. It's pretty great and low resource |
| 03:00.39 | ProfOak_ | It requires a little more technical hands on to configure it, as the config file is just c source code |
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| 03:01.01 | planet_ | yeah that's what's kept me back- i'm not too familiar with c |
| 03:01.19 | planet_ | but i like the minimal approach |
| 03:02.03 | ProfOak_ | it shouldn't be that big of a hurdle. there's docs and it's easy to navigate |
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| 03:02.15 | ^Mike\b | ProfOak_: I'm currently using unity. Before that I used gnome2. Both served my purposes. |
| 03:02.29 | SirLagz | i'm not a fan of Unity/Gnome3 |
| 03:02.49 | ProfOak_ | ^Mike\b: Xfce4, IceWM, Fluxbox are all pretty good alternatives to gnome 2 |
| 03:02.58 | ProfOak_ | There's also Mate, which is a fork of gnome 2 |
| 03:03.01 | SirLagz | they're suited more towards touch applications IMO. I use XFCE myself |
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| 03:03.44 | ^Mike\b | ProfOak_: maybe I'll start with mate then |
| 03:04.19 | planet_ | @^Mike\b i've heard good things about cinnamon as well |
| 03:04.29 | ^Mike\b | what's that? |
| 03:04.43 | ProfOak_ | that's the default DE of linux mint |
| 03:04.48 | ProfOak_ | or, one of the flavors iirc |
| 03:05.10 | terabit | is it possible to migrate from systemd to openrc or sysvinit ? |
| 03:05.23 | planet_ | http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 03:05.44 | Asiajey | terabit, yes |
| 03:05.55 | Asiajey | i made it several times |
| 03:06.14 | terabit | awesome, how can I do that ? |
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| 03:07.14 | Asiajey | aptitude install openrc |
| 03:07.34 | seyacat | im using xfce4, unity/gnome3 too bad |
| 03:08.17 | somiaj | terabit: what version of debian are you running, in debian stable sysvinit is teh default |
| 03:08.49 | terabit | latest netinstall |
| 03:08.53 | somiaj | also for those of you using or wanting to us mint, this is not the place to support such things. |
| 03:09.14 | somiaj | terabit: what do you mean by latest netinstall? The latest 7.5 debian wheezy netinstall will install sysvinit by default so you must have done something to isntall systemd |
| 03:09.23 | somiaj | terabit: or are you testing the testing installer? |
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| 03:10.13 | chrisb | can i run the installer on MIPS w/32M RAM and swap in flash? (a little router) |
| 03:10.26 | Asiajey | terabit, latest netinstall stable ? |
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| 03:11.48 | somiaj | chrisb: I am unsure what you need for such a small embeded system. 32M of ram I think is less than the recomended minimum but might be doable |
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| 03:13.56 | wols | somiaj: from what I remember, people ran debian squeeze I think in a 32MB fritbox 7170 with MIPS CPU |
| 03:14.59 | wols | sorry. etch it seems |
| 03:15.36 | somiaj | wols: I thought I recentally red that weezy ercomends 64megs minimum, but I guess that was for i386 |
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| 03:17.01 | seyacat | ufff i solve pm-suspend |
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| 03:17.36 | somiaj | seyacat: oh yea, what was it doing....speaking of which I need to file a bugreport on the new 7.5 kernel |
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| 03:18.08 | seyacat | i purge pm-utils and remove /etc/pm, ist something missconfigured |
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| 03:18.39 | seyacat | then reinstall pm-utils |
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| 03:19.10 | somiaj | I think other packages put stuff in /etc/pm to start/stop services during a suspend/hibernate |
| 03:19.27 | somiaj | oh wait, no all the packages put stuff in /usr/lib/pm-utils (or somethign like that), /etc/ is for user scripts |
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| 03:20.18 | Sean-Der | Does anyone use X11 on a high resolution display? With my WM + terminal emulator I am able to just up the font, but is Chromium usable for anybody else? |
| 03:20.41 | Sean-Der | I can't really use the chromium debugger, and my only solution is to use X11s scaling, which is really ugly |
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| 03:20.59 | somiaj | Sean-Der: works jsut fine for me, 1920x1080 40" monintor |
| 03:21.13 | somiaj | Sean-Der: you can set the dpi of fonts in xorg.conf maybe inc rease your dpi setting |
| 03:21.18 | seyacat | configurations are on /etc/ , i think old configuration fails break pm-utils |
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| 03:22.15 | somiaj | seyacat: yea I don't have anyting in /etc/pm/ on my system as the packges isntall the hooks (scripts) in /usr/lib/pm-utils/ |
| 03:22.33 | somiaj | seyacat: you can try dpkg -S /etc/pm/foo.d/script name and see if any packages claim ownership |
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| 03:22.39 | Sean-Der | somiaj: My resolution is 2880 x 1800 on a 15" screen |
| 03:22.41 | somiaj | but I thought /etc was where users can put their custom scripts |
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| 03:22.51 | somiaj | Sean-Der: wow how do you see that, yea turn your dpi up, one second |
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| 03:23.18 | Sean-Der | Ok I will try raising the dpi thanks for the advice! I haven't generated an Xorg.conf in years feels like a blast from the past now :) |
| 03:23.39 | converge | is LPI certification really important ? |
| 03:23.52 | somiaj | Sean-Der: you can scale the dpi of xfonts (that use xft) with a line 'Xft.dpi: 120' in .Xdefaults, then xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xdefaults |
| 03:24.11 | somiaj | Sean-Der: this should effect all fonts created by xft which should be almost everything (cept mahybe terminals) |
| 03:24.47 | somiaj | Sean-Der: it seems it isn't an xorg.conf setting, as it is an xft setting, so an xorg.conf file most likely wont' help |
| 03:25.04 | Sean-Der | somiaj: I am using sterm with the XFT patch using terminus |
| 03:25.06 | Sean-Der | So I think it will help? |
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| 03:25.40 | Sean-Der | ok I am gonna kill X11 and try that, thanks for the help. I really should be running ZNC |
| 03:25.42 | somiaj | not familar with that, I just told you what I use. |
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| 03:25.49 | somiaj | you shouldn't have to kill X11 to change the defaults |
| 03:26.00 | somiaj | just do what I said, add that line to .Xdefaults, then xrdb -merge |
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| 03:27.03 | seyacat | other thing i do its change sysvinit to systemd, i found this on forum but on restart i miss where sudo apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv ;sudo apt-get purge sysvinit-core |
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| 03:27.33 | seyacat | symply i dont know how systemd or sysvinit does JAJAJA! |
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| 03:29.05 | somiaj | seyacat: is systemd intrageted with acpi tools, cause I don't see how sysvinit really msses with pm-suspend |
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| 03:29.16 | rawfodog | a lot of the repos are giving 404's |
| 03:29.45 | rawfodog | tried to download subversion, link is broken. tried to download freerdp, link 404'd |
| 03:30.12 | chrisb | rawfodog: i had checksum fails earlier, 2-3 hrs ago |
| 03:30.32 | rawfodog | are there mirrors I can add ? |
| 03:30.34 | Asiajey | rawfodog, 404 for package file or whole repo ? Did you tried update ? |
| 03:30.45 | rawfodog | package files |
| 03:30.47 | somiaj | rawfodog: have you ran apt-get update recentally |
| 03:30.51 | rawfodog | no |
| 03:30.54 | rawfodog | i will now |
| 03:30.55 | somiaj | rawfodog: what version of debain do you run? |
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| 03:32.18 | rawfodog | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:32.18 | rawfodog | W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 977C43A8BA684223 |
| 03:32.20 | seyacat | somiaj, i found this google, sincerely i dont know too, but before this, and remove pm-utils, reinstalling. pm-suspend works again |
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| 03:33.07 | somiaj | seyacat: yea I find pm-suspend finky, (recenty wheezy kernel is what broke it on my system, so I have to track down what i need to do to fix it) |
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| 03:33.51 | somiaj | rawfodog: sounds like a problem with they keys or the release files, lets get you some new mirrors. Can you paste your sources.list (and the contents of any file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) at paste.debian.net |
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| 03:34.16 | seyacat | pm suspend woks again im so happy! |
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| 03:35.47 | [olli] | re ppl.. |
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| 03:36.47 | seyacat | i fond where change sysvinit for systemd; http://foro.desdelinux.net/viewtopic.php?id=3326 |
| 03:36.52 | View | I am running wheezy on a Asus x502C and it won't read my wifi adapter, how would it to work |
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| 03:37.36 | View | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.06 | cnneeej | Hi I removed some unnecessary packages which also removed some metapackages now packages I need are auto removable. How can I change them back? |
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| 03:40.27 | [olli] | I've a problem installing non-last package version with apt-get. Generally I need one of previous erlang versions. If I do 'apt-get install erlang=oldver' - I've unmet dependencies - it look like deps are calculated for older package available in repo. If I supply all deps with '=versionspec' apt-get shows me that again unmet deps are present and all of them are shown from older version available for the system by default. |
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| 03:41.04 | cnneeej | The package dependency system is fucking retarded. |
| 03:41.14 | ball | Am I right in thinking that Debian offers Xfce as a desktop these days? |
| 03:43.01 | View | ball, yes it does offer it as a desktop option |
| 03:44.17 | cnneeej | All hail the almighty "aptitude keep-all" command =D |
| 03:44.41 | ball | View: Any idea whether that uses the new "Whisker" menu thing? |
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| 03:45.18 | View | Ball: I think it does, but I am not sure. |
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| 03:45.42 | ball | View: Hmm. Thanks. |
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| 03:45.49 | chrisb | any tips on conserving memory during install? i'm trying to install on a 32M RAM router |
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| 03:46.21 | View | ball: no problem, anytime |
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| 03:47.53 | Tasab | debian wheezy booting in text mod only , how i can fix pls , tks |
| 03:48.07 | SirLagz | Tasab: start X ? |
| 03:48.16 | Tasab | nope |
| 03:48.27 | SirLagz | nope what ? nope you didn't do that ? nope you haven't tried that ? |
| 03:48.41 | [olli] | Well.. there should be another solution. I.e. can I specify wich repo is used for calculating deps for 'apt-get install' ? |
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| 03:49.09 | Tasab | tried 2 fix installing gmd3 but failed |
| 03:49.26 | SirLagz | Tasab: failed how ? was there an error ? did you read the error ? |
| 03:49.40 | SirLagz | Tasab: did you try and install something else before hand ? |
| 03:49.55 | seyacat | Tasab, try with lightdm, xdm, wdm |
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| 03:54.30 | ProfOak_ | is lightdm the thing they use for ubuntu? |
| 03:54.51 | kambei | It is . |
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| 04:13.08 | sleenk | will doing 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M' wipe a live drive completely? |
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| 04:14.48 | ball | sleenk: bs=1M is an odd choice |
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| 04:15.26 | sleenk | maybe so. i was wondering once it starts wiping libraries if it'll prevent dd from finishing |
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| 04:15.48 | ball | Doubtful. |
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| 04:16.18 | sleenk | i'm cancelling a dedi and want to make sure nobody can access old data on it (in the most lazily way possible of course) |
| 04:17.16 | buu | Wouldn't it be easier to at least start with the sensitive directories? |
| 04:17.27 | sleenk | funny. my brother said the same thing |
| 04:17.36 | sleenk | which is why i said lazily :) |
| 04:18.04 | sleenk | do you recommend a secure delete utility? i was thinking about shred, but i'm not sure if that can do recursive directories |
| 04:18.13 | ebfull | the way i did it once |
| 04:18.20 | ebfull | is i deleted all the sensitive stuff |
| 04:18.31 | ebfull | then used dd from /dev/urandom to write to a file |
| 04:18.36 | ebfull | thus filling all the free space with garbage |
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| 04:18.58 | ebfull | and i think there's a utility which does it more carefully as well but i can't remember the name |
| 04:19.40 | sleenk | there was a suite that included things that would wipe the swap file, fill the disk space, one of the tools was called 'srm' |
| 04:19.44 | sleenk | i think it was actually called 'secure-delete' |
| 04:19.54 | ebfull | yeah secure-delete |
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| 04:20.45 | ebfull | i don't know why shred doesn't work recursively still |
| 04:20.54 | sleenk | i'm going to mix it up with find and -execdir |
| 04:21.02 | ebfull | gl |
| 04:21.08 | sleenk | ty |
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| 04:21.22 | zq | is there any way around not having nat configured into my kernel? |
| 04:21.34 | SirLagz | zq: install another kernel ? |
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| 04:22.14 | zq | SirLagz: i really would rather not |
| 04:22.19 | zq | SirLagz: i'd have to recompile |
| 04:22.22 | zq | reinstall |
| 04:22.37 | SirLagz | zq: compilr the nat stuff as a module and load it ? |
| 04:22.37 | zq | reinstalling isn't as simple as dpkg -i for me |
| 04:22.52 | zq | SirLagz: my original question is whether there is a way around recompiling |
| 04:23.10 | SirLagz | zq: recompiling the whole kernel i'm assuming you meant ? |
| 04:23.14 | zq | yes |
| 04:23.48 | SirLagz | well then you don't need to recompile the whole kernel to compile the NAT stuff as a module. |
| 04:24.29 | zq | how? |
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| 04:25.03 | wols | zq: what actual kernel do you use? uname -a |
| 04:25.10 | SirLagz | run menuconfig, mark stuff you need as module, save/exit make modules && make modules_install |
| 04:25.46 | sleenk | don't kernels usually have NAT built in unless you explicitly disable it? |
| 04:25.53 | zq | wols: Linux ChrUbuntu 3.8.11 #10 SMP Sat Nov 2 19:40:00 CET 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:26.41 | wols | zq: that's great. please ask #ubuntu |
| 04:26.47 | SirLagz | sleenk: if not built in, at least built as a module |
| 04:28.08 | zq | wols: it's not ubuntu |
| 04:28.09 | sleenk | maybe something like: grep CONFIG_NF_NAT /boot/*config* |
| 04:28.16 | zq | wols: and regardless, the build process is the same |
| 04:28.25 | sleenk | except change /boot/*config* to whatever the kernel version file is, and maybe you can see if it's really the case |
| 04:28.26 | wols | zq: it's a ubuntu 12.04 or so kernel. it's NOT a debian kernel |
| 04:28.28 | zq | wols: feel free to go back to lurking as you've answered nothing useful |
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| 04:28.32 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 04:28.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:28.38 | zq | i'll repeat |
| 04:28.42 | zq | it's not ubuntu |
| 04:28.48 | wols | it's not a debian kernel either |
| 04:28.58 | sleenk | the second variable there is a machine name |
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| 04:29.13 | wols | sleenk: yes, and check what kernel 3.8.11 is. just guess |
| 04:29.16 | hanasaki | have a package installed in wheezy... what command will upgrade it to the version in backports? the repository is already added |
| 04:29.19 | zq | wols: seriously, you're patently unhelpful |
| 04:29.26 | wols | sleenk: debian doesn't use it, but ubuntu does in one of their releases |
| 04:29.40 | sleenk | ah |
| 04:30.07 | wols | zq: is this a VPS or similar non bare metal install? |
| 04:30.15 | ball | hello wols! |
| 04:30.41 | zq | wols: what does tha thave to do with anything? |
| 04:30.50 | SirLagz | wols: sounds like a Chromebook install to me. |
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| 04:30.54 | zq | wols: the answer i needed was make modules |
| 04:31.09 | hanasaki | wols: debian doesn't use what? |
| 04:31.30 | hanasaki | how do you upgrade an installed package to the newer version from the backports? |
| 04:31.31 | wols | hanasaki: this kernel version in one of their releases |
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| 04:31.41 | wols | hanasaki: backports.org has examples afaik |
| 04:31.42 | asterismo | hi people |
| 04:32.06 | wols | hanasaki: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2 |
| 04:32.20 | asterismo | i'm tempted to update the KDE packages in wheezy using sid repo |
| 04:32.26 | SirLagz | zq: which you could have found out by googling btw. |
| 04:32.43 | wols | asterismo: then you will break your debian |
| 04:32.46 | asterismo | but testing it in a VM, it upgrades glibc... is it safe to do the upgrade? |
| 04:32.46 | SirLagz | asterismo: I'd be using the jessie repo, and not the sid repo. less chance of breakage |
| 04:32.50 | zq | SirLagz: you were way faster |
| 04:32.53 | wols | unless you backport, and backporting kde is not trivial |
| 04:33.02 | asterismo | but there is a way using apt-pin |
| 04:33.03 | wols | SirLagz: the breakage is the same |
| 04:33.11 | wols | !frankendebian |
| 04:33.12 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 04:33.15 | asterismo | to pin only some packages to sid |
| 04:33.24 | SirLagz | wols: really ? I did that a while ago alright...maybe that was back then lol |
| 04:33.34 | wols | asterismo: yes you can drive with 150mph to a wall, doesn't mean it's a good thing to do. just cause you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD |
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| 04:33.41 | SirLagz | wols: haha |
| 04:33.59 | asterismo | wols: maybe it was something relatively safe |
| 04:34.18 | asterismo | i'm just asking... i saw a youtube video and it seems to work fine |
| 04:34.22 | wols | SirLagz: you broke your debian. you might not notice it now, but sooner or later you will. you can do a TUM /msg dpkg tum but mixing debian stable with others is a bad idea all around |
| 04:34.27 | asterismo | but i wanted to ask the experts |
| 04:34.37 | SirLagz | wols: that was an old old build. it doesn't exist anymore, so I'm fine :P |
| 04:34.50 | BrownMountain | wow lots of updated today |
| 04:34.57 | BrownMountain | 7.5? |
| 04:35.00 | wols | SirLagz: the problem is not the stuff you explictly installed. it's the dependencies, like libc6 |
| 04:35.08 | SirLagz | wols: true |
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| 04:35.32 | asterismo | wols: the thing is that KMail is not working in IMAP protocol |
| 04:35.45 | SirLagz | wols: i just stick with testing on most of my boxes now :D |
| 04:35.45 | asterismo | wols: it does not generate any message cache |
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| 04:35.56 | wols | asterismo: use icedove, claws, etc? |
| 04:36.11 | BrownMountain | anyoens windows turning black |
| 04:36.13 | asterismo | wols: i wanted to try KMail because i'm using KDE |
| 04:36.17 | BrownMountain | w nvidia and gnome |
| 04:36.24 | BrownMountain | or flash black |
| 04:36.32 | SirLagz | BrownMountain: my flash is broken. |
| 04:36.34 | asterismo | wols: but yeah, i probably should stick with icedove |
| 04:36.39 | BrownMountain | no |
| 04:36.39 | [olli] | https://grey-olli.livejournal.com/866681.html |
| 04:36.50 | BrownMountain | not flash adobe |
| 04:36.57 | BrownMountain | the window backgrounds |
| 04:36.58 | SirLagz | BrownMountain: wait. Just re-read what you wrote. Never mind lol |
| 04:37.02 | asterismo | wols: KMail integrates very well in KDE, it's a pitty |
| 04:37.06 | zq | SirLagz: works, thanks. |
| 04:37.10 | BrownMountain | google say it hapen to other ppl too |
| 04:37.12 | SirLagz | zq: no problems |
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| 04:37.24 | BrownMountain | but there was a nvidia dkms update today |
| 04:37.25 | wols | asterismo: install debian testing in a chroot and try it there? |
| 04:37.27 | BrownMountain | maybe it fixed it |
| 04:38.14 | asterismo | wols: i dunno, i just wanted to be perfect, haha |
| 04:38.34 | asterismo | wols: it almost happened |
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| 05:08.04 | Lady_Aleena | It happened again, I leave my computer for a few days and when I come back, the keyboard and mouse won't respond, making it impossible to wake my system up, meaning I have to shut down my computer with the power button, then restart it. This is really beginning to annoy me. Does Debian or Debian's KDE have a hard time keeping track of the usb ports in which my keyboard and mouse are plugged into if it is asleep for too long? |
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| 05:10.34 | dizzylizzy | that is odd |
| 05:10.45 | dizzylizzy | one of the reasons I like to keep an extra keyboard around |
| 05:10.57 | dizzylizzy | it might be worthwhile to check the system logs when you get it back up |
| 05:11.00 | wols | this more sounds like a hardware problem. can you ping the system when the mouse/keyboard are locked up? can you log in via ssh? |
| 05:11.19 | dizzylizzy | (ooh, that too, I've been able to ssh in before to restart the display manager) |
| 05:11.34 | wols | does the num lock key work and light up the LED on the keyboard? |
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| 05:11.46 | pdvyas | then you might have an issue with wake on usb |
| 05:12.26 | pdvyas | oh sorry, I guess your computer doesn't goto sleep |
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| 05:17.43 | dizzylizzy | Lady_Aleena: I'm glad to see you're sticking with it, even if it does cause you grief :) |
| 05:18.39 | Lady_Aleena | wols, when the system won't wake up, it means I can't see what I am doing because my screen stays black and my monitor goes back to sleep. |
| 05:19.55 | Lady_Aleena | Actually, my monitor STAYS asleep, until I push the power button to turn the computer off and restart my computer. |
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| 05:20.54 | Lady_Aleena | I can't win. |
| 05:21.43 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: sounds like you have my luck |
| 05:21.47 | wols | Lady_Aleena: that your monitor stays black doesn't matter for anything that I suggested |
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| 05:22.31 | Lady_Aleena | wols, if i can't see what I am typing, then I can't do anything. |
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| 05:23.02 | paul_grozav | Hello :) Can someone help me set a quota on a NFS ? |
| 05:23.03 | wols | Lady_Aleena: please read my two lines again. |
| 05:23.21 | wols | paul_grozav: state your actual problem |
| 05:24.15 | Lady_Aleena | wols, you said something about ssh, and I need to be able to see what's on my monitor to use ssh. And the lights on the keyboard are lit. |
| 05:24.36 | paul_grozav | mount debian.server.paul.grozav.info:/home/sharedFileSystem/webHosting /webHosting -t nfs -o rw,hard,intr,rsize=16384,wsize=16384,usrquota,grpquota |
| 05:24.36 | paul_grozav | RETURNS: mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified |
| 05:24.46 | Lady_Aleena | How do I log into ssh when I can't see what I am doing? |
| 05:24.48 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: does ctrl-alt-F1 do anything ? |
| 05:24.54 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: SSH from another machine ? |
| 05:24.55 | wols | Lady_Aleena: no you don't need to see anything on the machine's monitor to log in via ssh. and the important part of the lights are that they are turning on and off when pressing num lock repeatedly |
| 05:25.07 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, nothing works when this happens. |
| 05:25.29 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: Is your keyboard still plugged into the USB hub ? |
| 05:25.32 | Lady_Aleena | wols, this is the only LInux computer I have in the house and it is NOT in a network. |
| 05:25.37 | somiaj | paul_grozav: in your options (th e-o rw,hard,intr,...) you have something that is not correct for the nfs file system, double check the mount option sfor the nfs file system in the man page |
| 05:26.08 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, yes. |
| 05:26.24 | wols | Lady_Aleena: if it has a network card at all it's easily rectified: plug in one and connect. just to try troubleshoot the problem |
| 05:26.27 | paul_grozav | somiaj, it does not recognize the usrquota and grpquota, but that's what I need, to set quota on the NFS |
| 05:26.36 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: can you try and plug it into the computer rather than the USB hub just to test it ? |
| 05:26.48 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: maybe the USB hub is playing silly buggers |
| 05:26.59 | Lady_Aleena | wols, the other computers are all Windows XP. |
| 05:27.07 | paul_grozav | somiaj, man mount does not say anything about usrquota, but the internet does :) |
| 05:27.10 | wols | Lady_Aleena: and? that doesn't matter either |
| 05:27.10 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: Putty is a SSH client on Windows |
| 05:27.40 | Lady_Aleena | wols, I am totally confused now. How would ssh help wake my monitor up? |
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| 05:29.20 | Lady_Aleena | I hardly use ssh, so I don't know much about it. |
| 05:29.22 | zq | Lady_Aleena: switch to ttyS1 and blind type your login and reboot |
| 05:29.26 | zq | see if that works |
| 05:29.36 | zq | if it does reboot, then the problem is your display |
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| 05:29.59 | Lady_Aleena | zq, how do I do that when my keyboard isn't working? |
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| 05:30.08 | zq | Lady_Aleena: how do you know that your keyboard isn't working? |
| 05:30.21 | Lady_Aleena | zq, because the monitor doesn't wake up. |
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| 05:30.44 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that doesn't neccesarily mean that the keyboard isn't working |
| 05:31.00 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I have the same issue on one of my other PCs, the *Screen* doesn't wake up, but the computer is still responsive |
| 05:31.02 | wols | Lady_Aleena: it doesn't matter if your monitor wakes up. what matters is that you can see what your system is doing, checking logs, prodding X, that kind of thing |
| 05:31.12 | somiaj | paul_grozav: shoudln't it be up the server that runs the nfs server to control quotas? |
| 05:31.21 | wols | Lady_Aleena: and when you log in via ssh you can do that |
| 05:31.21 | Lady_Aleena | wols, I can't do that with a monitor which is asleep! |
| 05:31.25 | zq | Lady_Aleena: meh; check the num lock led as wols said |
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| 05:31.35 | zq | Lady_Aleena: or caps lock or scroll lock |
| 05:31.58 | wols | Lady_Aleena: you run it via ssh. you do not use that monitor that is asleep. you ues another PC on the network. and that it's not on the internet is no excuse either |
| 05:32.22 | Lady_Aleena | wols, I don't know how to do that. |
| 05:32.23 | zq | wols: she has no other machine, dude |
| 05:32.37 | somiaj | paul_grozav: from 'man quota' "For filesystems that are NFS-mounted a call to the rpc.rquotad on the server machine is performed to get the information." sounds like you just need to set up quotas different when running nfs (this is just my take on the man pages, I haven't actually done it) |
| 05:32.43 | wols | zq: she does. XP machines, which are perfectly fine |
| 05:32.50 | paul_grozav | somiaj, I don't know for sure :) I hoped not :) because that system might not have the same users as the system where I'm mounting the drive |
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| 05:33.18 | zq | Lady_Aleena: did you have openssh installed on the misbehaving box? |
| 05:33.48 | paul_grozav | somiaj, ok, thanks for that :) I'll have to search about rpc.rquotad |
| 05:33.52 | Lady_Aleena | zq, is it installed with Debian 7? |
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| 05:34.32 | zq | good question |
| 05:34.47 | Lady_Aleena | zq, how do I find out |
| 05:34.55 | zq | Lady_Aleena: you could install putty on your windows machine and try to use that to ssh into the nix box |
| 05:35.10 | zq | Lady_Aleena: you can't without rebooting |
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| 05:35.41 | Lady_Aleena | Guys, you can rest now, I am going to give up on this issue. I will just deal with the computer not waking up after I spend days away from it. |
| 05:36.06 | zq | Lady_Aleena: if you do reboot, install openssh-server |
| 05:36.13 | Lady_Aleena | You all might be able to fix it, but I can't grasp the concepts you are throwing at me. |
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| 05:36.28 | zq | Lady_Aleena: it's really not that complicated |
| 05:36.47 | zq | Lady_Aleena: ditch the concepts and focus on procedure |
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| 05:41.05 | Lady_Aleena | zq, it's all right, I will just deal. I don't know how to use ssh without connecting to a remote server. |
| 05:42.32 | Lady_Aleena | zq, I don't know how to set up my network properly either. I am usually guessing and hoping I am doing it right, even in Windows XP. |
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| 05:44.22 | Lady_Aleena | I have about a dozen computers set up with four routers scattered in three rooms of the house and the work shed. |
| 05:44.38 | zq | sounds messy |
| 05:45.09 | Lady_Aleena | It is messy since we have had to find a bypass for the firewalls on the routers. |
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| 05:48.33 | Lady_Aleena | has to go fold the clothes in the dryer. |
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| 06:04.18 | iLogic | hey guys, i've changed the ownership of /var/www to www-data, added my user to the group and gave group permission for reading and writing, but still when I try to write on the folder it returns permission denied |
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| 06:06.57 | wols | iLogic: you should not do this. now every visitor can alter your website if he finds a way to upload a file |
| 06:07.10 | wols | there is a reason why /var/www is owned by root. |
| 06:07.29 | Lady_Aleena | Another reason I don't host my website on my computer. |
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| 06:07.54 | wols | if you want to be able to change files in /var/www with your normal user account, chown /var/www to your own user instead |
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| 06:09.26 | iLogic | wols: i thought that was what I was supposed to avoid.. user should be root and group www-data (with my user inside of it) |
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| 06:10.18 | wols | iLogic: no, cause the webserver runs as user www-data |
| 06:10.27 | Tasab | SirLagz, sori , been disconnected ? any hlp pls |
| 06:11.07 | wols | the point is, you need to make it so that your user can write to /var/www but the user www-data aka the webserver can't. it can only read from it, and maybe write to one or two special directories which are designated as upload zones if needeed |
| 06:11.10 | iLogic | wols: uhmm i see, meaning that someone that grabs hold of the server can write on the folder |
| 06:11.39 | iLogic | get it, thanks bro |
| 06:11.59 | wols | yes, cause if the webserver can write to /var/www, a visitor could alter your website and overwrite anything of yours, crack your machine, etc |
| 06:12.02 | iLogic | what about the group? |
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| 06:12.23 | wols | you could use your user's group there. and make it group writable |
| 06:12.36 | iLogic | okay, thanks! |
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| 06:15.59 | SirLagz | Tasab: what was your issue ? |
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| 06:18.24 | Lady_Aleena | still wants her "account" to be GOD. |
| 06:18.47 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you could rename it to god :P |
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| 06:19.18 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, that would not remove the need for me to use "sudo" and in some cases type in my password to do other things. |
| 06:19.28 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ohh that |
| 06:19.32 | SirLagz | I just login as root :P |
| 06:20.00 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, Yes, that. I am sick and tired of typing in my password and sudo before most of the commands I type. |
| 06:20.11 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: sudo -i <-- that opens a root shell. |
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| 06:21.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I normally have a few root shells open to avoid the whole sudo thing |
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| 06:21.28 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: actually...I don't think I have sudo installed :D |
| 06:21.48 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I can't have too much open at the same time or my computer begins lagging BAD! |
| 06:21.49 | HisaoNakai | o/ |
| 06:21.53 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: haha |
| 06:22.35 | Lady_Aleena | Right now I have XChat, Iceweasel, and Amorok going. Alt-Tab between the programs is slow. |
| 06:22.46 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: what's the specs of your machine ? |
| 06:23.11 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, um...how do I get to that? I can't remember. |
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| 06:24.04 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: free -m for ram. cat /proc/cpuinfo for cpu |
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| 06:25.08 | HisaoNakai | How should one go about recovering the root password? The 'boot in single user mode' trick doesn't work as it asks for the root password... |
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| 06:25.32 | SirLagz | HisaoNakai: livecd |
| 06:25.44 | SirLagz | HisaoNakai: and it wouldn't be recovering, more resetting the root password |
| 06:26.18 | HisaoNakai | SirLagz: Aye, resetting will do...so how does one do it from a livecd? o.o |
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| 06:26.49 | SirLagz | HisaoNakai: boot from livecd, chroot to the partition that you want to rest (as root) then just run passwd |
| 06:27.12 | Tasab | wols, sorry i hv a bad connection |
| 06:27.24 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz. Memory total: 3549; used: 1638; free: 1911; shared: 0; buffers: 209; cached: 751. |
| 06:27.39 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: good ol' pentium 4s |
| 06:27.43 | civillian | wow |
| 06:27.46 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: at least you have 4Gigs of ram :P |
| 06:27.55 | HisaoNakai | SirLagz: Okay, I think I saw some how-tos on that; on it. Thanks. |
| 06:28.00 | civillian | were those CPU's x64? |
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| 06:28.03 | SirLagz | HisaoNakai: no problems |
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| 06:28.05 | SirLagz | civillian: some were |
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| 06:28.56 | wols | SirLagz: my guess is Tasab has a old squeeze install he mangled with bad packages from god knows where and now has a not well upgraded wheezy with lots of problems |
| 06:29.05 | SirLagz | wols: lol |
| 06:29.07 | civillian | Lady_Aleena: Upgrade! |
| 06:29.12 | SirLagz | wols: sounds like it |
| 06:29.13 | wols | Tasab: aptitude install gdm3 |
| 06:29.18 | SirLagz | civillian: why upgrade when it still works fine ! :P |
| 06:29.25 | Lady_Aleena | civillian, to what? I am not hardware girl. |
| 06:29.26 | civillian | SirLagz: it's lagging |
| 06:29.28 | SirLagz | civillian: I still have 3 or 4 Pentium 4s at home :D |
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| 06:29.38 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: what DE are you using ? |
| 06:29.54 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, KDE (and regretting it). |
| 06:29.59 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: the lag is probably more the DE than the computer |
| 06:30.06 | ProfOak_ | lol |
| 06:30.06 | civillian | Lady_Aleena: also what load is it currently at? |
| 06:30.11 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: KDE ? eww :P |
| 06:30.33 | Lady_Aleena | How do I find the load? |
| 06:30.44 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: uptime |
| 06:30.47 | civillian | Lady_Aleena: uptime |
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| 06:31.12 | Lady_Aleena | 02:30:53 up 1:28, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.49, 0.44 |
| 06:31.21 | SirLagz | that's pretty low load |
| 06:31.22 | civillian | Lady_Aleena: so you're not CPU-constrained |
| 06:31.33 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: Definitely a KDE issue. Use XFCE :P |
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| 06:32.29 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I would use something else as soon as I find the magic wand which will convert my email from KMail to something else more widely used. |
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| 06:33.54 | wols | Lady_Aleena: use an imap server to move your mail from the local kmail files to that, then use the other email program to connect to the imap server and drag it down again. can all be done on a single PC |
| 06:34.17 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you can still use KMail within XFCE |
| 06:34.18 | Lady_Aleena | wols, that is beyond me. |
| 06:34.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: just don't uninstall it |
| 06:34.33 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: won't be as neat as KDE, but it'll still work |
| 06:35.08 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I actually want to nuke my hard drive and start from scratch. |
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| 06:35.35 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that's a good idea too |
| 06:35.40 | Lady_Aleena | wols, I don't know how to use IMAP servers and stuff. |
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| 06:38.51 | iLogic | what is a2mod used for? |
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| 06:39.24 | SirLagz | iLogic: modify apache modules ? IIRC |
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| 06:46.36 | Tasab | wols, working thro' windows now , changing the machine - yr hand appreciated |
| 06:46.48 | Lady_Aleena | Just so you all know, I am having problems with all of the other computers we own too. So everything is snowballing on me this night, and I am feeling very overwhelmed. |
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| 06:46.54 | iLogic | SirLagz: get it |
| 06:47.11 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: go to sleep. |
| 06:47.17 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: fix it another day |
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| 06:48.10 | iLogic | Lady_Aleena: no, drink energy drinks and fix everything |
| 06:48.31 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, IT?! I have over a dozen computers to fix because hubby forgot to do a custom install on a driver and it affected all of the other computers because I have Firefox on all of them synched. |
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| 06:48.46 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: lol. |
| 06:48.57 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that's why I don't use windows. |
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| 06:49.30 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, it affected this computer as well because I have Iceweasel synched. |
| 06:50.02 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: what did it affect ? I don't get how a driver issue could affect firefox... |
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| 06:50.24 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, off topic since it isn't Debian related. |
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| 06:50.54 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: i figured it was quiet enough to ask lol. anyway. What were your issues again ? I forget =/ |
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| 06:55.04 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, KDE is the big issue. |
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| 06:55.17 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that's right. Blow it away :P |
| 06:55.50 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, not until I find magic wand to save my emails. |
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| 06:56.20 | civillian | Lady_Aleena: can you export to .eml format? |
| 06:56.48 | wols | Lady_Aleena: try this http://oao.no/wpe/2013/04/thunderbird-import-mail-from-kmail/ |
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| 06:59.27 | Lady_Aleena | wols, I need something which is a one liner which will convert all of my directories all at once. I have directories, subdirectories, and so forth. That's a lot of directories to convert individually. |
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| 07:06.22 | Tasab_ | SirLagz, how i can fix my system as said b4 working only on text mod , tks |
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| 07:09.10 | zq | what's that replacement to iptables that's full of dsl goodness? |
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| 07:09.52 | wols | the only iptables replacement is nftables. dsl or not doesn't matter |
| 07:10.26 | zq | nftables |
| 07:10.32 | zq | is 3.13+, meh |
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| 07:10.36 | SirLagz | Tasab_: reinstall debian |
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| 07:11.15 | orzo | Is there something like "apt-get build-dep" except that it can be used within an expanded source tree with a debian/ directory and apt does not need to know about the package? |
| 07:11.40 | orzo | this seems a very common problem for me |
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| 07:11.58 | MonkeyDust | guys, just switched from ubuntu to debian -- i'm unable to play videos on websites -- what's needed to make it work? -- hints & tips? |
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| 07:12.30 | MonkeyDust | forgot to mention: iceweasel |
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| 07:13.02 | SirLagz | MonkeyDust: what videos ? Flash videos ? |
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| 07:13.38 | MonkeyDust | SirLagz, good question, moment |
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| 07:14.09 | zq | better yet, cc us the url |
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| 07:24.49 | MonkeyDust | SirLagz, swf video... it says here, I need flashplugin nonfree, but I can't find it in synaptic |
| 07:25.06 | SirLagz | MonkeyDust: you need to enable the non-free repository |
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| 07:25.57 | acu | Monkey dust: in /etc/apt/sources.list add contrib non-free |
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| 07:26.10 | acu | then save then aptitude update |
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| 07:26.19 | acu | then aptitude install flashlpugin-nonfree |
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| 08:13.18 | acu | I have a remote machine which runs GNOME, but I want to let the machine still run and shut the gnome down, and eventally make it so if it reboots gnome does not come back unless I do a command |
| 08:13.35 | acu | I know there are some commands like gdm3 stop or something |
| 08:15.22 | Asiajey | sudo update-rc.d lightdm disable #same for gdm/kdm |
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| 08:16.05 | Asiajey | acu, sudo service gdm3 stop |
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| 08:16.46 | Asiajey | this two commands will stop gdm3 and not run it before you run `sudo service gdm3 start` |
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| 08:27.33 | wols | !tell acu about nodm |
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| 08:30.11 | acu | Asiaje and wols thanks |
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| 08:39.57 | jjweintraub | ping |
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| 08:45.04 | jalalsfs | My friend has debian and windows, he resize C partition in windows, but now the grub fails to run, how to rescue the grub in Debian wheezy? |
| 08:45.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell jalalsfs |
| 08:46.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell jalalsfs about fixmbr |
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| 08:58.04 | ln_ | will 'unstable' break from time to time? I've used archlinx a long time ago and from time to time things would need manual fixing after an upgrade. is unstable similar in that matter? |
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| 08:59.48 | nkuttler | ln_: yes |
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| 09:00.10 | ln_ | ty for the info. |
| 09:00.21 | babilen | ln_: Be careful, use apt-listbugs and keep backups. And yes, new uploads do contain bugs and may cause problems. |
| 09:00.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell ln_ -about sid faq |
| 09:01.02 | ln_ | lol what an awesome chatbot :) |
| 09:01.08 | babilen | ln_: No idea how frequent it is in Arch, but unstable is pretty usable most of the times and grave bugs are reported rather fast (so just upgade after everybody else) |
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| 09:01.45 | babilen | ln_: Ask it about all the factoids in <..> (e.g. <unstable> <apt-listbugs> ...) |
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| 09:02.23 | ln_ | babilen: in arch everytime a major system component changes the would be something off. like every 2-3month afair |
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| 09:02.58 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:04.49 | babilen | ln_: Oh dear ... |
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| 09:05.44 | ln_ | babilen: but you'd always see update instructions on the arch website in sync with the update |
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| 09:05.50 | anddam | wonderful, reading the actual error message _does_ help solving the issue |
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| 09:06.02 | pok_ | hi, anybody know how i can list all udeb packages that are installed on the system? |
| 09:06.03 | anddam | and my debian problem is self-solved |
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| 09:07.17 | fcp13 | hello please i have headset with mic paired on my debian jessie but without sound, i run hcitool scan to check if they are paired but doesn't output any |
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| 09:08.15 | fcp13 | i add a file .asoundrc pcm.bluetooth with device mac and profile auto, but still the same anyone can help? |
| 09:08.17 | fcp13 | thanks |
| 09:09.12 | SynrG | pok_: udeb? Uh, that doesn't make sense. |
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| 09:10.58 | SynrG | pok_: udebs are installer components, not something you install on a normal system |
| 09:11.13 | pok_ | SynrG: i have some udebs installed on the system |
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| 09:11.28 | SynrG | !udeb |
| 09:11.28 | dpkg | A .udeb is a special binary <package> containing Debian-Installer modules, or "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great Debian genius. These are not intended for installation on a normal system. |
| 09:11.43 | pok_ | SynrG: yeah, i have read that |
| 09:12.10 | pok_ | SynrG: let me ask another way, can i list all the udeb packages that are installed? |
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| 09:13.53 | SynrG | You have done something wrong and unsupported. It's unlikely anyone here knows how to help you now. |
| 09:14.39 | pok_ | SynrG: have a look here, http://pastebin.com/rSe5qekJ |
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| 09:15.20 | pok_ | SynrG: line 20 and 21 |
| 09:16.58 | SynrG | pok_: how did you even install that? apt doesn't offer those for download. |
| 09:17.26 | pok_ | SynrG: offers what? wicd? |
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| 09:17.57 | SynrG | pok_: no, the conflicting package |
| 09:19.03 | pok_ | SynrG: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wireless-tools-udeb |
| 09:19.21 | SynrG | pok_: afaik, a udeb is nothing more than a non-policy-compliant deb intended as an installer component, i.e. there's nothing distinctive about them, including commands used to manipulate them ... |
| 09:19.36 | SynrG | pok_: so? |
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| 09:20.13 | SynrG | apt does not offer it to you for download. i didn't say packages.d.o didn't offer it ... |
| 09:20.39 | pok_ | oh |
| 09:20.49 | SynrG | downloading stuff from packages.d.o and installing via dpkg -i or gdebi is not a normal, supported way to install packages on a debian system. |
| 09:21.00 | SynrG | you do that through apt/aptitude. |
| 09:21.27 | pok_ | yeah |
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| 09:23.47 | pok_ | sorted it out |
| 09:24.24 | pok_ | i had lib6c-udeb installed for some reason |
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| 09:24.50 | SynrG | guess you won't make this mistake again :) |
| 09:25.20 | pok_ | nope :) |
| 09:25.32 | pok_ | thanks for the help thou, much appreciated |
| 09:25.39 | SynrG | np |
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| 09:59.18 | brontosaurusrex | osfd, http://misc.flogisoft.com/bash/tip_colors_and_formatting#colors2 |
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| 10:03.11 | stmaher | hi guys.. Looking for some tool (other than wireshark) that would give an overview of a tcpdump pcap file. Looking for something that could dig down on sites / downloads someone was looking at.. I know wireshark can do this however looking for a more overview tool |
| 10:03.32 | stmaher | Any recommendations would be very much appreciated |
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| 10:13.16 | petern_ | Bah, Evolution freezes up so often :-( |
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| 10:14.12 | wols | petern_: try Creationism then, it's much better! |
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| 10:14.21 | luk__ | hi |
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| 10:15.26 | terabit | wols: hehe,tru story :P |
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| 10:16.53 | luk__ | I have my own (small) repo with debian files, one of packages in the repo can not be found by apt (E: Unable to locate package) .. are there some tools which can help with tracking down what is wrong with a package? |
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| 10:22.28 | petern_ | wols, ew :P |
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| 10:23.25 | wols | but Creationism 1.0 has an intelligent design! |
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| 10:25.28 | Tachyon` | ID is anything but |
| 10:25.43 | Tachyon` | and doesn't it depend on irreducable complexity which has been shown to be a load of rubbish |
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| 10:29.18 | SynrG | luk__: i doubt if it's the package that's the problem. it's the archive's Packages file that's the problem. |
| 10:29.26 | SynrG | luk__: or else you just forgot to apt-get update. |
| 10:29.49 | luk__ | SynrG: hi |
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| 10:30.00 | SynrG | luk__: the solution is either: regenerate Packages or apt-get update. |
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| 10:30.20 | SynrG | (well, if you regenerate Packages, obviously you need to also apt-get update after :) |
| 10:30.37 | luk__ | SynrG: my Packages seems to contain the required entry (the question is whether everything is fine there) |
| 10:30.57 | luk__ | I'm using apt-ftparchive packages to generate it |
| 10:31.25 | SynrG | luk__: so you did apt-get update after regenerating it? |
| 10:31.35 | luk__ | yep |
| 10:31.37 | SynrG | luk__: permissions problem? |
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| 10:31.41 | shafire | hi |
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| 10:32.20 | luk__ | SynrG: it depends what you mean ... not enough permissions or too much ;) |
| 10:32.51 | luk__ | synrG: its quite strange repository, since it is on the local filesystem |
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| 10:33.03 | shafire | if I add "iface XXX inet6 static" config into my interfaces and restart networking, it says, that device XXX cannot be found. its like inet delete it and inet6 wants to delete it too. any suggestions? |
| 10:33.15 | luk__ | synrG: deb [trusted=yes] file:/opt/debs precise main |
| 10:33.21 | SynrG | luk__: so i guess we need to see some actual output (ls -lR, apt-get install output, etc.) |
| 10:33.31 | HicksD | I've got a osx machine with l2tp vpn setup, anyone know which client would be appropriate to connect to it from debian? |
| 10:33.37 | SynrG | luk__: wtf? precise is not debian |
| 10:34.01 | luk__ | SynrG: aahhh ... yep .. I've lied a little ;) |
| 10:34.14 | SynrG | not amused |
| 10:34.42 | SynrG | luk__: so you knew we are the debian support channel but asked here anyway instead of for your own distro. |
| 10:35.56 | jelly-home | luk__: apt in ubuntu may behave differently from apt in debian, use the right support venues. Even their dpkg had features before debian's did |
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| 10:37.18 | luk__ | jelly-home: oo ... thanks, my understanding was that ubuntu didn't manage to make too much mess taking debian as the core ... apparently they've managed ;) |
| 10:38.02 | jelly-home | luk__: please don't make us waste time on tools we're not acquainted with and giving you advice that may not apply at all |
| 10:38.14 | luk__ | SynrG: kind of, but rather with the meaning "I will ask experts straight away", I'm sorry it it was offending or something |
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| 10:39.25 | babilen | luk__: This channel quite explicitly only support Debian and Debian users (both for technical and social reasons). Please keep that in mind. If you deem Ubuntu a suboptimal choice because its support is not great then feel free to use Debian. |
| 10:39.26 | SynrG | luk__: if you prefer having "support by experts" (the implication is you don't consider those who support your own distro 'experts', which i'm sure *they* find offensive) then install the distro you think has expert support. |
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| 10:40.05 | SynrG | luk__: otherwise, have a bit more trust in your own distro support that they actually know a thing or two about their own distro. |
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| 10:40.37 | babilen | (there is also #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-packaging and #....) |
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| 10:41.24 | luk__ | sound fair |
| 10:42.23 | luk__ | but ... is there some "tension" between those two? like atari vs c64 or something? ;) |
| 10:43.07 | SynrG | offtopic for here. feel free to discuss on #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:44.05 | luk__ | SynrG: well, thanks anyway |
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| 10:46.15 | SynrG | luk__: different projects. different goals. from my perspective, we do our thing and they do theirs, for different reasons. and that's OK because the world is big enough for both of us. i'm sure other people have other perspectives on that, but as i said, OT for here. have a nice day. |
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| 10:57.10 | jalalsfs | Inside debian, when clicking on C, or D partition of windows, it says "Authentication is required" I can mount them when I root, how can I solve this issue? |
| 10:58.25 | wols | jalalsfs: the option "user" in fstab means a user can mount it |
| 10:58.50 | wols | !tell jalalsfs about user accesible ntfs |
| 10:59.03 | jalalsfs | wols: These two partition not there in fstab file. |
| 10:59.08 | SynrG | jalalsfs: and don't crosspost :( |
| 10:59.25 | wols | when it's not in fstab, the user cannot mount it |
| 10:59.41 | SynrG | highly annoyed |
| 11:00.44 | jalalsfs | SynrG: Sorry, |
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| 11:02.07 | jalalsfs | It's NTFS partitions |
| 11:02.27 | wols | and? |
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| 11:02.45 | SynrGy | jalalsfs: is it removable media? if so, it is probably automounted by your desktop |
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| 11:03.07 | SynrGy | if it's not automounted, and you're mounting manually, well, you know what to do. |
| 11:03.14 | jalalsfs | SynrGy: No, it's a partitions from the internal hard disk. |
| 11:03.25 | SynrGy | and you've been manually mounting it? |
| 11:03.50 | SynrGy | if manually mounting, specify the -o options as you mount. if you want it in /etc/fstab to be automatically mounted, then ... add it. |
| 11:03.53 | jalalsfs | SynrGy: Yes, I can mount them manually |
| 11:04.06 | SynrGy | so, problem solved? |
| 11:04.39 | jalalsfs | So that means, I have only to add them to fstab file? |
| 11:05.23 | jalalsfs | SynrGy: I mean, what should be the line of them in fstab file? |
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| 11:06.44 | jalalsfs | "/dev/sda5 /mnt/windows-C ntfs defaults 1 2" |
| 11:06.57 | jalalsfs | SynrGy: Is that allright? |
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| 11:07.18 | SynrGy | see ntfs-3g example at https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS and also the factoid you were sent. |
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| 11:08.36 | jalalsfs | SynrGy: Okay, thank you to much, I'll try it. |
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| 11:12.20 | Timmy | I have installed tor and privoxy and I am using privoxy to forward socks connection on http, now I need to allow other devices on the network to forward their traffic on on privoxy installed on my machine. When they set their proxy settings on their machines, privoxy on my machine does not allow them to access the network and doesn't work. how should I allow their http requests on my machine? |
| 11:12.27 | Timmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.55 | Timmy | wtf? |
| 11:13.12 | fcp13 | hi, i'm trying to install my headset bluetooth on debian jessie, i've paired the headset the kde mixer sound bar appears on it i test the sound and i hear that but when i play some in youtube the sound goes to speakers of laptop and not to the headset anyone can help? |
| 11:13.35 | SynrGy | Timmy: so what do i make of that? that you are running ubuntu and your question was an ubuntu question, just asked on the wrong channel? |
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| 11:14.31 | SynrGy | fcp13: see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for jessie support. |
| 11:14.33 | Timmy | actually I'm running archlinux. but that doesn't make difference. your answer may solve the problem, |
| 11:15.03 | Timmy | now if you think that this question which is general is asked in a wrong channl, kick me out |
| 11:15.04 | SynrGy | Timmy: no. ask your own support channel or ##networking. don't abuse us for non-debian support |
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| 11:15.15 | SynrGy | ok |
| 11:15.28 | fcp13 | thx SynrGy |
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| 11:42.11 | Tasab | SirLagz, any luck about my case |
| 11:42.39 | SirLagz | tethra: reinstall everything. |
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| 11:45.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Where are the GPG signatures for jessie/testing USB stick images? |
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| 11:46.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, for the checksums of those images. |
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| 11:53.03 | bePolite | hello |
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| 11:53.23 | bePolite | Please what is the name of the default web server user when Using nginx on debian? |
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| 11:55.02 | wols | bePolite: normally all webservers run as www-data afaik |
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| 11:56.04 | asturel_ | is there a way to upgrade only my subversion? |
| 11:57.25 | wols | apt-get install <package of subversion> |
| 11:57.26 | enuguri | hi I have a file that is 544GB on a 74GB partition |
| 11:57.31 | enuguri | what could have caused this |
| 11:57.37 | wols | enuguri: magic :) |
| 11:57.48 | wols | maybe a sparse file? |
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| 11:58.17 | enuguri | wols: hmmm |
| 11:58.31 | asturel_ | wols i mean to e.g. jessie's version while im on wheezy |
| 11:58.42 | wols | asturel_: a backport |
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| 11:59.16 | bePolite | thansk wols |
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| 11:59.39 | enuguri | wols: is it possible to create a file of that size without using the blocks but just reporting it in the ls output |
| 12:00.12 | asturel_ | backport how? |
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| 12:00.46 | wols | a sparse file might. e.g. torrent files always do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file |
| 12:00.56 | wols | !tell asturel_ about ssb |
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| 12:04.27 | Sbidicuda | hi |
| 12:04.39 | Sbidicuda | please I've got a problem with a disk in a mirror |
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| 12:05.14 | Sbidicuda | end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 9 |
| 12:06.05 | Sbidicuda | how can I reformat it to see if bad sectors could be reallocated? |
| 12:07.10 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: take it out of the array, write something to the sector in question, flush cache, then try to read it back |
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| 12:08.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Blah, now I can't find the jessie automated signing key on keyring.debian.org. |
| 12:08.26 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: it is out of the array |
| 12:08.48 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: trying to put it inside the mirror failed |
| 12:09.12 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: may I dd-with-zero it? |
| 12:09.56 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: what version of md-adm do you have.. |
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| 12:10.41 | Sbidicuda | v3.2.5 |
| 12:10.43 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: sure |
| 12:11.10 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: limit the write and readback to just that sector |
| 12:11.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Funny, it is present on pgp.mit.edu |
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| 12:12.01 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: may I use scsi tools? |
| 12:12.12 | DotHack | that version doesnt have badblock support |
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| 12:12.39 | Sbidicuda | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 12:12.58 | Sbidicuda | fdisk: unable to read /dev/sda: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 12:12.59 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: um... you already chose dd. Use whatever works? |
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| 12:13.08 | asturel_ | if i added i686 arch, on 64bit, can i drop it leater and all of i686 packlages? |
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| 12:14.07 | wols | asturel_: you can uninstall the i386 packages again, yes |
| 12:14.15 | Sbidicuda | :( |
| 12:14.26 | jelly-home | asturel_: do you mean i386? You can remove multiarch support later if you get rid of all the i386 packages first, sure |
| 12:14.27 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: could be possible that the drive already has it spare sectors allocated |
| 12:14.43 | asturel_ | jelly yeah |
| 12:14.58 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: :( |
| 12:15.00 | SirLagz | what's the easiest way to update multiple debian hosts ? just login using a script to run what I need ? |
| 12:15.13 | asturel_ | i needed ia32-libs and some lib32 dev packages to compile an old package but sooner it will be compatible with 64bit |
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| 12:15.30 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: the array itself cannot boot back: Grub loading error |
| 12:15.30 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: look at this maybe that will help you: http://www.sj-vs.net/forcing-a-hard-disk-to-reallocate-bad-sectors/ |
| 12:15.43 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: thanks |
| 12:15.51 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: did you remove the disk from the array? |
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| 12:16.09 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: if this was your boot disk, you might have to boot off a liveusb or livecd for rescue purposes |
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| 12:17.05 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: did you have grub on md> device or sd? device.. |
| 12:17.08 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: I'm using wheezy netinst cdrom as rescue disk, I have assembled the array with only /dev/sdb and copy my entire home on an usb disk :) |
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| 12:17.30 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I do not recall, but it should be on /dev/sda |
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| 12:17.57 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: yeah thats to bad is should also be on a md? device |
| 12:18.02 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: may I install it on /dev/md/0 now? |
| 12:18.24 | milligan | Hey. I've got two harddrives in my machine. It seems they have a hard time spinning up now and then. The machine will sometimes boot and they work fine.. and then the machine can stop working after a while and I will get read errors etc. Is this most likely incoming death of harddrive or sata port problem on MB? |
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| 12:18.39 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: thats probably the best.. if you got a failing sda it will be able to boot |
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| 12:19.18 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: may I install it anyway now with only /dev/sdb in the array? |
| 12:19.33 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: do you have partitions as array members or whole disks? |
| 12:19.46 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: whole disks |
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| 12:20.14 | jelly-home | interesting choice. then yes, you may try to install grub onto the array |
| 12:20.34 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: huh? but you say sda and sbd are mirrored right? |
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| 12:20.47 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: as the copy ends I will try, thanks |
| 12:20.47 | LupoDeiCieli | Ciao a tutti :P |
| 12:21.09 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: the /boot should be on it aswell? |
| 12:21.35 | Sbidicuda | may I ask you people which hd brand is better? I always used seagate, but now I've got these two wd and they failed in 1.5 years |
| 12:21.55 | jelly-home | every single brand has had ups and downs |
| 12:21.57 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: yes, I mirrored entire disks |
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| 12:22.34 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: I always used seagate (4 to 5 years mtbf) |
| 12:22.36 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: so grub should be on sdb aswell... do you have a /boot folder with contents? |
| 12:22.50 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: let me see |
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| 12:23.35 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: I have two dead seagates to replace today. But yeah, they had 4+ years lifetime as well, and these are |
| 12:23.38 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: /boot is full |
| 12:23.47 | jelly-home | "nearline" "enterprise sata" models |
| 12:24.00 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: barracudas? |
| 12:24.13 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: which do you suggest? |
| 12:24.22 | jelly-home | I don't suggest any. |
| 12:24.28 | Sbidicuda | good :) |
| 12:24.51 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: for home use I mix different brands and hope not all die at the same time. Last I bought was wd red. |
| 12:24.52 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: what grub loading error do you get exacly (is this grub1 or grub2?) |
| 12:25.14 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: grub2 |
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| 12:25.23 | DotHack | jelly-home: i always hope my hd´s dont die at the same time :P |
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| 12:25.33 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: at boot time, after bios post: GRUBloadingerror |
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| 12:26.06 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: do you get an command prompt? |
| 12:26.19 | jelly-home | DotHack: sure, but if you then go and buy devices with same brand, model, and series, and put them in the same array your hope may be in vain. |
| 12:26.45 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: no |
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| 12:28.00 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: here resellers push for what they earn more, not for what is the best hd |
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| 12:28.40 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: this time I was unlucky 'case the shop was short of seagate and full of wd, that I don't like as hd |
| 12:28.40 | jelly-home | eh, who cares what they push? You're the customer. |
| 12:28.54 | asturel_ | there is no lib32mysqlclient? |
| 12:29.20 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: you're right is what I think, but now I'm forced to buy on the net |
| 12:29.26 | asturel_ | -dev |
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| 12:30.15 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: did you at least get the wd models they suggest for array work, red or the performing black? |
| 12:30.36 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: green |
| 12:30.49 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: then you got what you deserved |
| 12:31.05 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: :( are so bad? |
| 12:31.23 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: can you chroot into the array? |
| 12:31.41 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: currently I'm copying the /home back from it |
| 12:32.04 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: there's a reason why there are different brands, with different firmware inside and different kind of testing before they get out of the factory |
| 12:32.12 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: ok, after that you can chroot into it and do a grub-install /dev/md0 |
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| 12:32.55 | bePolite | is this site down https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql? |
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| 12:33.33 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: I didn't know that green was the lower end |
| 12:33.34 | jelly-home | bePolite: works from here |
| 12:33.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.11 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I'll try as soon it will end to copy |
| 12:34.17 | bePolite | ok it seems by ISP is disturbing |
| 12:34.30 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: a backup alongside you raid should be a better practise.. |
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| 12:35.09 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I backuped only Documents folder :) |
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| 12:35.17 | bePolite | Please can someone tell me how I could restart postgresql in debian |
| 12:35.24 | bePolite | the wiki page doesn't load for me |
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| 12:37.24 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: error: cannot read from `/dev/sda'. |
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| 12:38.26 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md0 failed. |
| 12:38.30 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: when do you get this error? |
| 12:38.56 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: after executing grub-install /dev/md/0 |
| 12:39.04 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: did you chroot first? |
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| 12:39.07 | zwamkat | I'm working with a VM that does not mount it's root fs. After power on I'm dropped into an initramfs shell. How can I manually try and mount / ? |
| 12:39.46 | DotHack | zwamkat: why doesnt it mount root? you got a paste of boot messages? |
| 12:39.49 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: uh-oh! |
| 12:40.26 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: the current shell is executing in the /dev/md/0 root |
| 12:41.16 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: ok cat you give output of cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 12:42.20 | Sbidicuda | md0 : active raid11 sdb[3] |
| 12:42.34 | Sbidicuda | 976629568 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [_U] |
| 12:42.54 | zwamkat | DotHack: I find it a challenge to get the dmesg output in a text file since it is a VM. Suggestions? |
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| 12:43.55 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: and output of mount? |
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| 12:44.51 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 12:44.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:46.00 | jelly-home | bePolite: service postgresql restart, or /etc/init.d/postgresql restart |
| 12:46.04 | jelly-home | (as root) |
| 12:46.13 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: :( wait I'm chatting from another pc :) |
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| 12:46.50 | Yoshi1 | anyone know of a progamme to help with laying out a webpage |
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| 12:47.31 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: /dev/md/0 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 12:47.57 | Touhou11 | Yoshi1: If you don't know CSS, and don't need unique branding, you could try Bootstrap |
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| 12:48.02 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: may do grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 12:48.36 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I'm trying |
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| 12:49.04 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: ok.. after that whats in /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 12:51.19 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: there's a list of the hds in my system |
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| 12:51.35 | asturel_ | hmm |
| 12:51.37 | asturel_ | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libmongoclient.so* |
| 12:52.06 | asturel_ | or its local only? |
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| 12:54.19 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: did the grub install sdb work? |
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| 12:54.49 | hypfer | hi everyone. i'm working on something where i need to turn my monitor off AND on via dpms |
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| 12:55.43 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: no! Same error |
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| 12:56.53 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: weidr stuff... |
| 12:57.05 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: very |
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| 12:57.58 | Sbidicuda | error: superfluous RAID member (2 found). |
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| 12:58.37 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: wait, you have a whole disk as array member, and then no partitions at all to leave enough space unpartitioned for boot loader |
| 12:58.52 | jelly-home | this means there is no place to put the boot loader. |
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| 12:59.35 | jelly-home | it also makes me wonder how the system booted and worked up to this point |
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| 13:00.53 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: wait I installed it automatically from wheezy netinst cdrom |
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| 13:01.46 | jelly-home | I don't think this setup could be created unless you did the expert mode installation |
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| 13:02.14 | DotHack | jelly: it think there is something in the mbr referring to sda |
| 13:02.55 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: never used expert mode to install |
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| 13:03.47 | meek_geek | how do you do |
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| 13:04.30 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: show me mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 13:05.39 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: how can I paste it to you? |
| 13:06.07 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: take a picture and use wikisend or so? |
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| 13:06.28 | DotHack | or picpaste.com |
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| 13:09.17 | meek_geek | is anyone using debian testing here ? |
| 13:09.32 | wols | !tell meek_geek about anyone |
| 13:09.40 | asturel_ | there is no way to have shared mongodbclient libaray? |
| 13:09.41 | DotHack | meek_geek: i was using testing... then it became stable :) |
| 13:09.42 | asturel_ | library* |
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| 13:09.53 | asturel_ | mongodb-dev: /usr/lib/libmongoclient.a |
| 13:09.55 | asturel_ | i need so :/ |
| 13:10.09 | bePolite | I am trying to run "apt-get update" and I get the following errors http://codepad.org/wQy0d1de |
| 13:10.14 | meek_geek | DotHack, heh nice .. Man I want to know how can I use Debian testing with all the non-free such and ati driver as well |
| 13:10.15 | bePolite | anyone knows what's wrong? |
| 13:10.49 | meek_geek | anyone recommends lxde here ? |
| 13:10.59 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I pasted in the query window |
| 13:11.03 | themill | bePolite: unstable-updates makes no sense. (Are you sure you know enough about debian to be running unstable?) |
| 13:11.12 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: are wd blue and black far better than green? |
| 13:11.22 | SirLagz | Sbidicuda: depends on what you're using them for |
| 13:11.42 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: looks ok to me.. |
| 13:11.45 | Sbidicuda | SirLagz: small http server and desktop use |
| 13:11.52 | meek_geek | debian+lxde anyone ? |
| 13:12.12 | SirLagz | Sbidicuda: blue will be fine. blacks are the 'performance' drives. 'green' are the low power drives |
| 13:12.24 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yes, on one of my machines. why ? |
| 13:12.30 | bePolite | themill: I didn't know the updates were unstable |
| 13:12.37 | Sbidicuda | DotHack: I recall that after installation it asked me to install grub in /dev/md0 |
| 13:12.40 | bePolite | So how do I run stable updates |
| 13:12.59 | bePolite | I'm a newbie to debian. I've been using arch linux all before |
| 13:13.00 | Sbidicuda | Sir_Designer: I will buy two seagate next time |
| 13:13.03 | themill | bePolite: what are you *really* trying to do? |
| 13:13.45 | meek_geek | SirLagz, is it cute looking or no fancy straight vanilla ? I switched from Debian Stable to Xubuntu 14.04 packages are updated and thing is stable but I miss Debian .. Pure and simple .. |
| 13:14.12 | DotHack | Sbidicuda: it weird that the grubloading error doesnt give an error number... looks like the grub that resides on the sdb is cupport |
| 13:14.15 | SirLagz | LXDE on debian is pretty simple |
| 13:14.19 | bePolite | themill: I am trying to install some PHP extensions eg php5-gd |
| 13:14.41 | themill | bePolite: perhaps you can pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 13:14.45 | bePolite | and It failed telling me to do "apt-get update" or apt-get install --fix missing |
| 13:14.46 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: I did not consider wd blue for my array usage, only red and black, no idea how it fares. |
| 13:14.49 | meek_geek | SirLagz, even on testing ? |
| 13:15.01 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yeah, I use testing on most of my boxes |
| 13:15.33 | meek_geek | SirLagz, testing is nice and they are actively testing stuff .. but you must be going thru a lot of updates then |
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| 13:15.46 | SirLagz | meek_geek: every now and then |
| 13:16.42 | bePolite | themill: --fix-missing solved the problem |
| 13:16.57 | themill | bePolite: no. please provide me with that output |
| 13:17.32 | meek_geek | SirLagz, sir i am looking for a debian based distro where you get the OS/updates from the repo and not the packages .. You have to download what you need from the Internet |
| 13:17.37 | meek_geek | Do you know any ? |
| 13:18.05 | SirLagz | meek_geek: what do you mean get OS/updates from the repo ? |
| 13:18.05 | bePolite | themill: I can't get it anymore sorry |
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| 13:18.18 | themill | bePolite: why not? |
| 13:18.43 | bePolite | Ok I used google.translate to get it to english 1 min |
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| 13:19.11 | bePolite | themill: http://codepad.org/bzcNfTbp |
| 13:19.23 | meek_geek | SirLagz, I mean I just the want a distro where you get the updates ( like kernel updates .. security patches from the official repo ) ... a distro where you do not get packages from the Officially like libreoffice and hexchat n all .. you have to download all you want |
| 13:19.43 | themill | bePolite: please show me your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 13:19.54 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yes... Debian... |
| 13:20.10 | SirLagz | meek_geek: Just don't select Desktop System when you're installing Debian and you start with a pretty basic system |
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| 13:21.12 | meek_geek | SirLagz, I do not get you sir .. |
| 13:21.19 | SirLagz | meek_geek: i do not get you either... |
| 13:21.29 | SirLagz | meek_geek: you want a distro where you want to start with a basic system ? |
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| 13:21.48 | bePolite | themill: /etc/apt/sources.list http://codepad.org/w1PhzAxW |
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| 13:22.13 | themill | bePolite: why are you trying to use unstable? |
| 13:22.20 | meek_geek | SirLagz, ya I want the GNU+Linux part from the distro and not the packages like libreoffice and irc client and other stuff .. I want to download what I want to use and install them manual via a rpm or deb package manager |
| 13:22.23 | meek_geek | you know what I mean ? |
| 13:22.31 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yes. Debian can do that |
| 13:22.54 | wols | SirLagz: it can, but why would anyone want to? |
| 13:22.56 | meek_geek | SirLagz, how? |
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| 13:23.12 | wols | meek_geek: why do you want to manually download over a dozen packages for libreoffice? |
| 13:23.25 | wols | instead of apt doing it for you |
| 13:23.39 | SirLagz | meek_geek: just don't install the desktop system when you install debian |
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| 13:24.01 | bePolite | themill: apt-cache policy http://codepad.org/iwzEYhKL |
| 13:24.07 | SirLagz | wols: I think he wants apt-get still...but doesn't want all the pre-installed stuff |
| 13:24.09 | bePolite | themill: Unstable what? |
| 13:24.13 | meek_geek | wols, oh so you mean if I download Libreoffice from the website and install it via dpkg .. it would ask for a lot of stuff ? |
| 13:24.16 | bePolite | I don't understand |
| 13:24.16 | themill | wols: I think "manual" is being used here to just mean "after install rather than using tasksel" |
| 13:24.23 | meek_geek | SirLagz, I remember that option at the time of installtion |
| 13:24.31 | zq | vdm, it's may |
| 13:24.55 | wols | meek_geek: depends if you mean what themill just wrote or not |
| 13:24.59 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yep. Just don't select Desktop System when you install debian |
| 13:25.05 | themill | bePolite: you changed your sources.list to point to the "unstable" distribution. You made mistakes when you did this because you don't know enough about debian. I would recommend that you install "wheezy" (the stable release) instead. |
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| 13:25.33 | SirLagz | meek_geek: you'll be left with a basic Debian system without all the pre-installed stuff |
| 13:25.42 | bePolite | themill: will that mean I have to format the server? |
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| 13:26.06 | meek_geek | SirLagz, would i still get a DE ? and DM ? |
| 13:26.18 | SirLagz | meek_geek: no |
| 13:26.33 | zh1 | bePolite, https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 13:26.36 | themill | bePolite: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 apt perl dpkg" |
| 13:26.37 | meek_geek | SirLagz, So I will have to install DE and DM to? |
| 13:26.42 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yes |
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| 13:27.49 | bePolite | themill: Most of it is french http://codepad.org/mMDOvZOX |
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| 13:28.32 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: I'm following the hints on the site you gave me |
| 13:28.35 | themill | bePolite: yes, you need to reinstall that server. Install debian 7 (wheezy) and don't change the sources.list or start installing packages from unstable. |
| 13:28.40 | wols | meek_geek: installing those is easy however: apt-get install xorg xfce4 for example |
| 13:28.48 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: sectors 9 to 15 seems dead at a read |
| 13:29.12 | bePolite | themill: Well I will do that but certainly not today |
| 13:29.20 | meek_geek | wols, after install xfce4 ... a few things do not work like Disks and USB drive would not mount and stuff |
| 13:29.22 | bePolite | I have a lot I will need to backup first |
| 13:29.48 | SirLagz | meek_geek: do you mean auto mounting ? |
| 13:30.04 | meek_geek | SirLagz, yep |
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| 13:30.13 | SirLagz | meek_geek: yes, you need to setup automounting if you want it |
| 13:30.13 | meek_geek | We have to install a lot of stuff after XFCE4 |
| 13:30.16 | wols | meek_geek: thunar-volman should do automounting for xfce afaik |
| 13:30.28 | SirLagz | wols: oo i didn't know that one |
| 13:30.57 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: probably 8 as well, consistent with a physical 4096B sector |
| 13:31.19 | SirLagz | lol...xbmc uses 25% cpu just sitting on the settings screen on an old Athlon |
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| 13:31.43 | jelly-home | Sbidicuda: eh, wipe the rest of the disk, return it for warranty |
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| 13:32.08 | Sbidicuda | jelly-home: yes, but rma on the wd site didn't work for me :( |
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| 13:32.54 | asturel_ | anyone? debian doesnt provide libmongoclient shared library? |
| 13:33.00 | asturel_ | i cant find it with apt-file search libmongoclient |
| 13:33.07 | themill | SirLagz: the developers will tell you that is by design and/or you don't know how to measure CPU usage correctly. It seems to come from their historical background of being the only thing running on the box |
| 13:33.14 | asturel_ | only 'mongodb-dev: /usr/lib/libmongoclient.a' come |
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| 13:33.39 | SirLagz | themill: yeah I'm not surprised |
| 13:34.00 | themill | asturel_: it's libmongo-client |
| 13:34.05 | SirLagz | themill: though this cpu usage is from XBMCs counter, so if "I don't know how to measure CPU usage incorrectly" they should really fix their cpu usage meter :D |
| 13:34.06 | asturel_ | are u sure? |
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| 13:34.48 | asturel_ | because its an alternative driver |
| 13:35.02 | zh1 | asturel, https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/libmongo-client this one? |
| 13:35.27 | asturel_ | http://pastebin.com/XrrCB94t |
| 13:35.28 | asturel_ | no |
| 13:35.30 | asturel_ | without the '-' |
| 13:35.57 | asturel_ | these are alternative drivers, not official what mongodb.org provides |
| 13:36.02 | asturel_ | and not compatible |
| 13:36.14 | zh1 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libmongo-client-dev this one? |
| 13:36.30 | asturel_ | libmongo-client is an alternative C language driver to the MongoDB document-oriented datastore. |
| 13:37.01 | asturel_ | alternative = complety different, incompatible, will not work |
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| 13:41.28 | asturel_ | fuu finally |
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| 13:43.07 | SirLagz | hmm I wonder if I can get XBMC to display chinese... |
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| 13:44.06 | asturel_ | zh1 any other idea? |
| 13:44.18 | asturel_ | http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian/ doesnt contain |
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| 13:51.49 | avshalom | hi all, if i install debian-hurd-20140211.img and configure a repo, does it install the openssl fixes? |
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| 13:55.35 | avshalom | (got my answer from #hurd. answer is yes) |
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| 14:02.30 | chrisb | can debian installer run in a system with 32M RAM ? |
| 14:02.51 | DrakkenWarr | minimal installer maybe |
| 14:02.54 | DrakkenWarr | other than that? Nope |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | chrisb: run, yes .. install, not likely. YOu might need an older release and then dist-upgrade to squeeze or wheezy |
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| 14:04.07 | SirLagz | chrisb: is this an embedded system or something ? |
| 14:04.29 | chrisb | SirLagz: yes, a little router with a USB |
| 14:04.40 | SirLagz | chrisb: fun |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chrisb about emdebian |
| 14:04.53 | chrisb | SirLagz: but i want to repurpose it |
| 14:05.11 | SirLagz | chrisb: well you wouldn't be running x86 debian on that anyway |
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| 14:05.22 | chrisb | SirLagz: ARM |
| 14:05.32 | SirLagz | yep |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chrisb about arm |
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| 14:06.04 | chrisb | SirLagz: can i bootstrap a debian install from an openwrt installation? |
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| 14:25.28 | jelly-home | chrisb: if the busybox shell is capable enough, and you have enough RAM, you try running debootstrap there |
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| 14:44.55 | sfjlgh | Is there a way to list all packages that you've installed so you can easily install the same packages on another computer? |
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| 14:47.58 | wols | !tell sfjlgh about debian clone |
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| 14:49.19 | sfjlgh | Thanks |
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| 14:58.37 | agfiv | can anyone tell me please a command line program which checks whether an inserted optical disk is blank/raw (German: Rohling)? I don't find the correct English word for that |
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| 15:00.00 | wols | agfiv: blank |
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| 15:02.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | I've unpacked a netinst ISO to an ext4 disk, installed extlinux and booted from it, but the installer gets tripped on looking for a CD and CDROM. Is it not possible to convert the ISO to a writable USB stick installer? |
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| 15:04.44 | zophy | are kernel releases still given animal nicknames ? |
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| 15:04.56 | wols | Eduard_Munteanu: boot the ISO via grub, no special software needed |
| 15:05.09 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: does the extlinux stanza use KERNEL memdisk INITRD netinst.iso ? |
| 15:05.30 | wols | zophy: 3.13 is "One Giant Leap for Frogkind" |
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| 15:06.04 | zophy | wols, yeah, i saw that somewhere, it is inspiring |
| 15:06.08 | agfiv | zophy: it's ubuntu releases that get animal names, Debian releases are termed after "toy story" characters, unfortunately... |
| 15:06.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | chrisb: no, kernel /install.amd/vmlinuz and append initrd=/install.amd/initrd.gz as per the ISO isolinux.cfg |
| 15:06.26 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: sorry, LINUX memdisk \n INITRD netinst.iso APPEND iso |
| 15:06.41 | zq | i'm just surprised that wols hasn't redired zophy to #ubuntu yet |
| 15:06.47 | zophy | agfiv, the linux kernel itself has nicknames |
| 15:06.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | chrisb: I don't have the iso as a file, rather I copied its contents to the ext4 partition |
| 15:07.06 | zophy | slippery weasel was one nicknmae |
| 15:07.40 | wols | zophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names |
| 15:07.51 | agfiv | zophy: ah right, they are termed after animals, too |
| 15:07.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: I don't understand... I should mention I'm not using the hd-media images, but copied the contents of the ISO to the ext4. |
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| 15:08.26 | wols | Eduard_Munteanu: you use grub2 to boot your other linux which is on that ext4? |
| 15:08.27 | zophy | i recall that rob levin was a proponent of that naming system |
| 15:08.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: no, I'm merely trying to make a custom install media |
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| 15:09.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | With a preconfigured preseed file. |
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| 15:09.50 | wols | Eduard_Munteanu: under what OS do you create the custom media? |
| 15:09.50 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: i have done it the way i have indicated, using the iso image. you may have to set root=< > in your stanza |
| 15:10.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: Gentoo |
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| 15:10.28 | wols | then you have a grub2 in your gentoo. and grub2 can run ISOs directly on its own |
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| 15:10.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: I intend to use it to bootstrap VMs managed by libvirt (kvm). |
| 15:11.11 | wols | Eduard_Munteanu: how is that relevant? |
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| 15:11.39 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: also, your netinst.iso may also be a hybrid image, and you can dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/myusb bs=512 |
| 15:12.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | chrisb: I can't change the preseed file then, can I? |
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| 15:13.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: sorry, I don't get it, should I use GRUB instead of extlinux? The media boots fine, the installer just doesn't find a CDROM. |
| 15:14.08 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: maybe. create another partition on the USB after writing the iso and put the preseed there |
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| 15:14.26 | pujan14 | Hi I want to use lxde desktop on old hardwares (Other desktop environment suggestions are welcome) and when I use task-lxde-desktop it installs with lightdm. After user log in X server is taking up nearly all cpu what should I do? |
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| 15:14.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | chrisb: what I'm trying to achieve is convert the ISO to a writable ext4 because I want to change other stuff as well, like the default kernel parameters. |
| 15:15.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Adding the preseed/url= everytime is annoying. |
| 15:15.19 | wols | !tell Eduard_Munteanu about custom cd |
| 15:15.25 | wols | you cannot convert it to ext4 |
| 15:15.36 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: check out debian-live |
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| 15:16.32 | woshty | pujan14: how old? For how long does it take up all cpu? |
| 15:16.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ouch. :( |
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| 15:17.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | That CD building stuff is just terrible. |
| 15:18.23 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: there is a lot of dev work in the area of custom boot/root images, but unless you are unusual, you have to dig in |
| 15:18.36 | pujan14 | woshty: celeron based cpu around 5-8 years old also some P IV with 512MB ram, it takes nearly full cpu usage for 3-4 min and nearly makes system unresponsive |
| 15:19.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, I could rebuild the ISO, I'm really not going to go through all that duct tape because it's way too complex and way annoying to do on non-Debian machines. |
| 15:19.53 | wols | Eduard_Munteanu: chroots work too for that |
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| 15:21.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | wols: I was going to use it for spawning VMs quickly for dev purposes, go figure :) |
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| 15:27.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | I personally find it rather awful that distros rely on the boot-install-reboot sort of installers involving user interaction. Anything automatic is just an afterthought and often an awful hack. |
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| 15:29.51 | agfiv | when installing Debian with xfce using the dedicated xfce iso, what login manager is installed? |
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| 15:30.53 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: Hey sorry I joined in late so correct me if I am wrong, You want to create custom iso image to install debian/automate installation of debian and later on want to use this os to spawn VMs? |
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| 15:31.56 | ctmjr | agfiv: lightdm |
| 15:32.18 | agfiv | ctmjr: thanks |
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| 15:32.55 | agfiv | in Thinkpad's BIOS there is an option called "Execution Prevention". Is this recommended? |
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| 15:34.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: no, I want to boot the installer in order to provision VMs. |
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| 15:34.56 | alteregoa | i am looking for a script that kills berserk processes >100%cpu for >+1min |
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| 15:35.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: let me rephrase it... I want to boot some media in the VMs to install Debian automatically. |
| 15:36.07 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: Are you looking for debian only solution or general? |
| 15:36.09 | jelly-home | agfiv: it will likely not hurt things. |
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| 15:36.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: right now Debian only, because I doubt there's a general one as I've been looking for it. |
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| 15:36.48 | pujan14 | I am not sure if we can recommend other stuff not from debian over here or not can you guide me about it |
| 15:37.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | I think it's fine because it's still ontopic. |
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| 15:37.44 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: not sure if that helps but check foreman, I use it and it's quite handy at least for provisioning hardwares |
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| 15:38.01 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: use pxelinux to boot/install over tftp? thinclient terminal server? |
| 15:38.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | AFAICT, there are 3 ways: (1) install media, (2) debootstrap, (3) straight clone of a preinstalled image. |
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| 15:39.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | chrisb: would pxelinux work if booting with syslinux/extlinux fails? |
| 15:39.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean I don't see how I could get around the image issue. |
| 15:40.07 | chrisb | Eduard_Munteanu: no, pxelinux has the same requirements for boot/root images as extlinux |
| 15:40.28 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: as chrisb suggested, foreman is a tool to provision using tftp and pxe that I think would help you as I have not used it but seems to have solid vm support |
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| 15:43.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: any idea what Foreman actually does, aside from setting up a PXE server and such? |
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| 15:44.11 | BackEndCoder | yo guys |
| 15:44.28 | BackEndCoder | i have my ssh private key saved on my windows machine |
| 15:44.45 | BackEndCoder | i'm having trouble transfering my .ppk file into my .id in debian |
| 15:44.57 | BackEndCoder | does anyone have an example of what the key on debain should look like ? |
| 15:45.05 | BackEndCoder | i'm probably including too much, or not enough |
| 15:46.55 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: foreman basically manages dhcp server to point clients to boot image (pxeimage) which image later on loads full debian installer (I use it with netinstall & apt-cacher) from where installation continues as normal but in automated way as you have to provide pressed file. management of pressed file and finish script(script run after completion of debian installer) are down by foreman. |
| 15:47.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, I'm trying to follow the last option here.. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 15:52.33 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: So you make usb disk with and boot installer from there in virtual environment? |
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| 15:52.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: yes, that's the plan |
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| 15:53.37 | tamia | . |
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| 15:54.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | (because frankly network booting is a big can of worms as well security-wise) |
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| 15:56.31 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: I am not aware of security ramifications for network booting, I personally prefer network booting over usb as you don't need to carry usb and you can boot multiple devices simultaneously |
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| 15:57.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: any rogue computer on that network can attempt to make you boot a malicious image |
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| 15:59.16 | jalalsfs | !pkg tell jalalsfs grub |
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| 16:01.57 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: if you control DHCP that is not an issue as PXE server is always provided by DHCP server |
| 16:02.55 | jalalsfs | How can I let the channel give me some information? |
| 16:02.58 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: if you decide to use network booting this might help... http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/what-security-risks-are-associated-using-pxe-and-how-can-i-reduce-them |
| 16:03.13 | jalalsfs | Like this? !tell jalalsfs about install grub |
| 16:03.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: it's easy to masquerade as either DHCP or TFTP |
| 16:05.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: heh, that's not nearly enough, the only reasonable way I see it possible is to use a PXE ROM like ipxe which supports getting stuff over https or other encrypted channels. |
| 16:06.21 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: yeah I think iPxe can help you there but I don't know if iPXE works in virtual environment |
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| 16:06.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | pujan14: it does... in fact it's the standard PXE ROM for kvm emulated NICs. |
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| 16:07.32 | pujan14 | Eduard_Munteanu: In that case it shouldn't be an issue for you :) |
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| 16:23.14 | RobertoB_ | hi there people |
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| 16:24.05 | RobertoB_ | in order to enable usb tethering with my android phone every time i connect it to my debian machine |
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| 16:24.30 | RobertoB_ | is there a way to automate the process? |
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| 16:26.19 | RobertoB_ | my box runs on debian wheezy stable |
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| 16:28.24 | centrx | RobertoB_, There is a way to have a script run every time a device connects, I don't know it |
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| 16:43.04 | ragesoss | I've had a problem lately with the Displays settings gui. I cannot move the arrangement of the displays around, or interact with area that shows the display arrangement at all. |
| 16:43.42 | ragesoss | (Thus, I cannot enable or disable any monitors except the one that is selected when Displays opens, and I cannot move the Gnome panel.) |
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| 16:44.45 | ragesoss | I'm running Debian Testing, and I've had this problem for the last week or so at least. |
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| 16:49.11 | centrx | ragesoss, Try #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 16:49.29 | ragesoss | centrx: thanks. will do. |
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| 17:15.33 | esaym153 | what is the name of the c# compiler in debian? I know there has to be one. |
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| 17:15.53 | centrx | esaym153, mono |
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| 17:16.03 | esaym153 | googleing just tells me to install the monodevelop package, but that is hug, I just want the compiler... |
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| 17:16.54 | jalalsfs | Where I can get the information about debian, which use to answer the question of the people? |
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| 17:17.10 | centrx | esaym153, There are a bunch of mono packages. Use apt-cache search mono or http://packages.debian.org/mono to find the right one |
| 17:17.30 | centrx | jalalsfs, Ask your question |
| 17:17.44 | esaym153 | centrx: yes looking now, still don't really see anything that says 'this is just a compiler' |
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| 17:19.12 | centrx | esaym153, How about mono-dmcs: Mono C# 4.0 compiler for CLI 4.0 |
| 17:19.12 | woshty | esaym153: apt-cache search mono | grep compiler ?? |
| 17:19.13 | esaym153 | centrx: might be mono-runtime |
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| 17:19.38 | jalalsfs | centrx: How to install lxde from the beginning of the installation? |
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| 17:19.49 | jelly-home | !install lxde |
| 17:19.49 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install lxde». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
| 17:20.00 | centrx | jalalsfs, ^ |
| 17:20.02 | esaym153 | sweet |
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| 17:22.06 | jalalsfs | centrx: Thank you so much |
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| 17:25.31 | claw | hey there anybody knows why df show wrong space usage when running df ? |
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| 17:26.00 | somiaj | what do you mean wrong disc ussage? |
| 17:26.22 | jelly-home | claw: df shows what the filesystems (well, the kernel) tell it. Can you elaborate? |
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| 17:26.32 | claw | df shows 47G while du shows 7,7TB |
| 17:26.48 | somiaj | du will traverse though other filesystems and mounted directories |
| 17:27.04 | claw | somiaj, its only one file system |
| 17:27.09 | somiaj | so if you have /home on a seperate partition, and do a du /, you will add up the space on root and home |
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| 17:27.22 | jelly-home | claw: what was the exact du command line you used?> |
| 17:27.35 | claw | du -sch /mnt/raid |
| 17:27.40 | claw | show 7,7TB |
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| 17:27.53 | claw | df -h /mnt/raid shows 47G |
| 17:28.12 | RobertoB_ | question: is there atm a way for syncing iOS 7 devices and Debian in Stable? |
| 17:28.15 | jelly-home | claw: what's the filesystem type of /mnt/raid, is it a remote filesystem? |
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| 17:28.52 | claw | http://paste.triple6.org/?9 |
| 17:29.18 | claw | jelly-home, it a md-raid of local sata disks |
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| 17:31.09 | claw | its ext4 by the way |
| 17:31.42 | jelly-home | claw: hm, on ext4 there shouldn't be issues with du miscounting multiple hardlinks or sparse files |
| 17:31.57 | jelly-home | in any case, df is almost never wrong |
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| 17:32.33 | jelly-home | du however often shows output that people find unexpected |
| 17:32.39 | claw | i googled that but was not able to find anything ... i fscked the filesystem but that did not change anything |
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| 17:33.08 | jelly-home | claw: do you have any sparse files on that filesystem? |
| 17:33.19 | claw | du is more right than df is. there are about 7,7 TB on that system |
| 17:34.22 | claw | jelly-home, no there are only media files stored in it |
| 17:34.35 | claw | the filesystem is encrypted using luks |
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| 17:36.13 | jelly-home | claw: that would mean the kernel is confused about block usage. |
| 17:36.26 | jelly-home | claw: which debian release is this? |
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| 17:36.55 | claw | wheezy |
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| 17:39.20 | jelly-home | claw: LANG=C df -P /mnt/raid | tail -n 1 ? |
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| 17:39.33 | jelly-home | er, |
| 17:39.36 | jelly-home | claw: LANG=C df -P /mnt/raid1 | tail -n 1 ? |
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| 17:40.14 | claw | same |
| 17:40.51 | claw | - /dev/mapper/crypt0 11627707192 49005180 10992699376 1% /mnt/raid1 |
| 17:42.00 | jelly-home | claw: you wouldn't have any mountpoints below /mnt/raid1? Add -x to du |
| 17:42.17 | claw | now no other mountpoint there |
| 17:42.56 | jelly-home | claw: show the output of just "df" and "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 17:43.03 | claw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.04 | claw | 7.7T /mnt/raid1/ |
| 17:43.06 | claw | 7.7T total |
| 17:43.16 | abrotman | C, not c .. |
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| 17:44.34 | jelly-home | claw: well, that's that then. If fsck -f finds no issues on that filesystems, you seem to have found a kernel bug, or less likely a df bug |
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| 17:45.41 | claw | http://paste.triple6.org/?12 |
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| 17:47.17 | jelly-home | nothing out of the ordinary there |
| 17:47.26 | claw | yes |
| 17:47.53 | claw | i am also confused because there seams to be not reason why df is reporting wrong free space |
| 17:48.09 | claw | or why it say 47G and not 7,7T |
| 17:48.40 | claw | ill give normal mount options a try |
| 17:48.52 | claw | no barrier, no realtime, etc |
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| 17:50.13 | claw | well it reports 51G now ... |
| 17:50.22 | claw | getting closer :D |
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| 17:51.16 | claw | shall i file a bug to kernel ? |
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| 17:52.47 | aBound | Is Debian 'Testing' considered a semi-rolling release by any chance? Or would Debian 'Unstable' be considered a semi-rolling release as it is actively developed. |
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| 17:59.06 | centrx | aBound, Testing gets all its packages from unstable, so both are actively developed |
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| 17:59.29 | musca | !rolling |
| 17:59.30 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 17:59.56 | aBound | centrx, More often on 'unstable' would it be continuously updated as in prompting you to update? |
| 18:00.10 | aBound | musca, I see. |
| 18:00.26 | musca | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release list Testing as an example for a cyclic rolling release. |
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| 18:00.44 | centrx | aBound, Both testing and unstable get some updates almost every day, but I do not have anything set up to prompt me to update. |
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| 18:02.27 | aBound | I ask as I know Linux Mint makes a distro based on Debian. Which is a rolling release though appreciate the information. |
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| 18:04.51 | ebfull | is there a standard utility or library for selecting a rectangular region of the screen? |
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| 18:05.34 | claw | jelly-home, i just found out that my kernel.log is flooded by [ 46.185004] EXT4-fs error (device dm-0): ext4_mb_generate_buddy:739: group 13276, 0 clusters in bitmap, 32768 in gd |
| 18:05.56 | musca | ebfull: yes, specific to your desktop evironment |
| 18:06.05 | ebfull | kde in this case |
| 18:06.25 | musca | ebfull: ksnapshot can do this. |
| 18:06.35 | ebfull | thing is i don't want to take a screenshot |
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| 18:07.34 | somiaj | ebfull: what are you selecting the rectangular area for then? |
| 18:07.58 | ebfull | i want to select a region of the screen to record (like a screencast) or stream to twitch |
| 18:08.08 | dami0 | hey guys, is there a way to force apt to run with a flag set every time it's ran other than using an alias |
| 18:08.10 | ebfull | i can do both of those things with ffmpeg afaik and i've tested it |
| 18:08.12 | dami0 | ? |
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| 18:08.28 | somiaj | ebfull: I recall an old program that did exactlly that, I think there are much better tools now |
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| 18:09.05 | ebfull | well right now i use a heavily modified HotShots for screenshot capture because it performs auto-upload and auto-clipboard stuff, i remove all the menus though |
| 18:09.08 | musca | dami0: apt.conf and apt_preferences |
| 18:09.24 | ebfull | i may just modify hotshots to do it |
| 18:09.31 | dami0 | thank you |
| 18:10.23 | somiaj | ebfull: xvidcap was the program I remember, but I don't know how good it would be. |
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| 18:12.33 | somiaj | ebfull: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/desktop-video-capture.html -- here is a list I found, recordmydesktop sounds like the one I'd try and it looks like it is in debian sid |
| 18:12.40 | somiaj | ,v recordmydesktop |
| 18:12.41 | judd | Package: recordmydesktop on i386 -- jessie: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; sid: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; squeeze: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; wheezy: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1 |
| 18:13.02 | somiaj | looks like the wheezy version is much different, maybe that too has lost support. |
| 18:13.57 | ebfull | niiice |
| 18:13.58 | ebfull | thx |
| 18:14.48 | somiaj | ebfull: I'm now more weary it hasn't been updated since squeeze, one would think there are some better screen capture utilities out there by now |
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| 18:16.41 | ebfull | i'm fine with making a custom script to perform the recording using ffmpeg |
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| 18:17.39 | ebfull | which has some module called x11grab |
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| 18:19.27 | Brigo | ebfull, may be istanbul package? |
| 18:19.33 | ebfull | xwininfo looks like an easy way to partially achieve what i want |
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| 18:41.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is "" still supported? |
| 18:41.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er. |
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| 18:42.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is "4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way" still supported in testing? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 18:42.56 | HisaoNakai | o/ |
| 18:42.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | The installer complains it can't find the CD. |
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| 18:43.41 | HisaoNakai | How may one have aptitude tell the size of a package + all of it's dependencies? o.o |
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| 18:54.47 | digdilem | HisaoNakai, apt-get install package - it shows you |
| 18:54.55 | digdilem | then Y/n to choose to install |
| 18:55.47 | HisaoNakai | digdilem: If I understand correctly, that only shows the size of the package and the dependencies you don't have; secondly, it doesn't work if the package is already installed. |
| 18:56.02 | digdilem | true |
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| 19:10.01 | esaym153 | grr, how do I fix this: http://pastie.org/private/nqfhgrinnlaalfsntvoweg processing txt csv file, need to add null terminators inbetween every blank column... |
| 19:10.32 | Sycamore | (in wheezy) would upgrading libc6 as a dependency for a package in experimental break things? |
| 19:11.11 | esaym153 | Sycamore: maybe... I wouldn't do it if this is a needed stable system... |
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| 19:16.06 | AlexPortable | At server1 mysql ram usage is 222 MB, at server2 mysql ram usage is 352 MB. What makes this difference? |
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| 19:16.21 | AlexPortable | Also is there some way I can access my server if my ip changes? |
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| 19:21.51 | peterrooney | AlexPortable: have it access another server occasionally, so as to leave distinguishing traces in the other server's log files. |
| 19:23.01 | AlexPortable | huh |
| 19:23.06 | AlexPortable | what do you mean |
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| 19:23.18 | AlexPortable | I mean I have ip whitelist |
| 19:23.22 | AlexPortable | but what if my ip might ever change |
| 19:23.25 | AlexPortable | then i lock myself out of the server ? |
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| 19:24.09 | Adept- | if the IP changes than yes you will not be able to reach it |
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| 19:24.32 | Adept- | peterrooney, is suggesting to have the server send its ip some place so you know what it is in case it changes |
| 19:25.01 | Adept- | if you don't have another server to send it too; maybe write a script that emails the ip to you on some interval or when it detects the IP has changed |
| 19:25.24 | rvh | I have a broken system and need to install a kernel for wheezy from the rescue mode |
| 19:25.30 | rvh | apt doesn't work |
| 19:25.31 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 19:25.34 | peterrooney | AlexPortable: I misunderstood the original question. If your IP is prone to changing, whitelists are not going to be useful.. |
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| 19:26.13 | digdilem | AlexPortable, dyndns and similar may be what you're looking for? |
| 19:26.22 | linuxthefish | hi, why won't PHP send email on new debian install? :( |
| 19:26.32 | linuxthefish | lighttpd with php5-fpm... |
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| 19:29.31 | AlexPortable | Let me rephrase my question |
| 19:29.32 | AlexPortable | I wasn't clear |
| 19:29.49 | AlexPortable | I have a 'dynamic ip' at home. This IP almost never changes, but my ISP says it's dynamic. So it may ever change. |
| 19:30.08 | AlexPortable | I want to whitelist users who may access my server (not in my house), I set my current IP at home for that |
| 19:30.27 | yeehi | If one has installed several packages and would like to easily include the same packages again in a different installation, is there a way that the additionally installed packages can be exported, saved and then imported at a later date? |
| 19:30.31 | AlexPortable | But if my home IP will ever change (since it's 'dynamic ip' after all according to ISP), I lock myself out of my server |
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| 19:31.00 | digdilem | AlexPortable, if you can authenticate yourself by hostname, then dynamic dns is definetely what you want |
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| 19:31.24 | digdilem | as the hostname will never change. each time you go online, your home client updates which ip the hostname points to |
| 19:31.57 | digdilem | or use static dns, manually update it, and have a cup of tea |
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| 19:32.21 | AlexPortable | Hostname never changes? |
| 19:32.30 | digdilem | or use some other method of authentication that doesn't rely on a transient ip |
| 19:32.39 | digdilem | AlexPortable, idd. wiki's your friend from this point |
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| 19:36.25 | asterismo | hi people, is it possible to downgrade a 64bit debian to a 32bit one without reinstalling?? |
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| 19:37.25 | mtn | asterismo: don't think so |
| 19:37.52 | asterismo | mtn: like changing 64 to 32 in some place and do a apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:38.04 | mtn | asterismo: nope |
| 19:38.49 | asterismo | mtn: what about this?: http://www.ewan.cc/?q=node/90 |
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| 19:39.47 | mtn | asterismo: I guess you can try it and see ;) make sure to have backups |
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| 19:54.22 | AlexPortable | ok |
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| 19:54.26 | AlexPortable | At server1 mysql ram usage is 222 MB, at server2 mysql ram usage is 352 MB. What makes this difference? |
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| 20:00.54 | milligan | AlexPortable, amount of queries? |
| 20:01.02 | AlexPortable | no idea how can i check? |
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| 20:01.39 | milligan | show global status; |
| 20:01.44 | milligan | Any significant difference? |
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| 20:02.47 | AlexPortable | i dont know root passwd at server1 |
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| 20:04.27 | milligan | Don't know then. Ask the guy in charge of it to fix it :P |
| 20:04.41 | AlexPortable | The guy who owns the server doesn't knows that hes running a mysql server |
| 20:04.48 | AlexPortable | He has some sort of panel installed |
| 20:05.33 | milligan | Uh, right. And why would you expect the two servers to be equals? |
| 20:05.43 | AlexPortable | because clean install |
| 20:05.48 | AlexPortable | and then i put some websites on them |
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| 20:06.21 | AlexPortable | nvm found it |
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| 20:06.27 | AlexPortable | got into phpmyadmin by clicking something in the panel |
| 20:06.51 | AlexPortable | What should i look at in particular in that command? |
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| 20:07.41 | AlexPortable | server2 Queries | 1679 |
| 20:07.44 | milligan | pastebin the output from both servers. But in general, connections, how much data has been sent/received and how many threads are running. |
| 20:07.46 | AlexPortable | server1 Queries 3152 |
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| 20:08.22 | SpeakerToMeat | Is there any way to be able to run gcc -m32 on a 64 bit multiarch system since libgcc seems not to be multiarch capable? |
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| 20:08.41 | AlexPortable | server1 http://pastebin.com/dRP9Mm4Q |
| 20:09.14 | AlexPortable | server2 http://pastebin.com/RR5YBFMm |
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| 20:10.52 | milligan | AlexPortable, nothing extraordinary after a quick glance.. but server2 is doing more reads than server 1, so I would guess that's the main difference. |
| 20:11.06 | AlexPortable | what can cause that? |
| 20:11.20 | milligan | More people accessing a site |
| 20:11.35 | milligan | Could be anything |
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| 20:13.06 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 20:13.07 | AlexPortable | ok thanks |
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| 20:33.30 | tw | Can I set locale parameters in LC_NUMERIC directly without defining a locale file with the parameter fields? |
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| 20:33.55 | tw | LC_NUMERIC environmental variable, I mean. |
| 20:34.13 | somiaj | shoudl be able to just set that variable if you want to change it, you do have to have the locale generated that you want to use though. |
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| 20:35.05 | tw | Well, the locale isn't installed and I want to change the radix char to ',' like it should be. |
| 20:35.18 | tw | (user not administrator) |
| 20:36.09 | somiaj | I'm unsure if the locale you want to use is not built on the system, how to have a user say use this custom locale file. |
| 20:38.18 | tw | Me too. I'll keep poking at it. |
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| 20:47.31 | linuxuz3r | whats a good pdf viewer that has highlight and annotation tool |
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| 20:51.00 | zh1 | evince? xpdf ? |
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| 20:52.00 | linuxuz3r | i cant find highlight and annotation tools in evince |
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| 20:53.54 | zh1 | okular? |
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| 20:54.32 | linuxuz3r | ok okular then |
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| 20:56.25 | linuxuz3r | i cant |
| 20:56.28 | linuxuz3r | i want gnome |
| 20:56.31 | bh | Which image would folks recommend for a i386 stable install from usb? I could do netinst, but my USB stick is 16gb rather than being tiny. |
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| 20:59.01 | Artemis3 | bh, there is an unofficial iso with nonfree firmwares around |
| 20:59.50 | bh | Artemis3: That sounds hopeful. Where is it? |
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| 21:00.33 | jbhyv | hi |
| 21:00.36 | jbhyv | !list |
| 21:00.37 | dpkg | jbhyv: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 21:02.06 | Artemis3 | bh, this? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:02.15 | bh | Artemis3: thanks :) |
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| 21:09.29 | linuxthefish | hi, why won't PHP send email on new debian install? :( |
| 21:10.45 | dondelelcaro | linuxthefish: you probably don't have an MTA installed |
| 21:11.02 | linuxthefish | OH |
| 21:11.10 | linuxthefish | wait yeah it's a reinstall, stupid me lol |
| 21:11.14 | teraflops | ._. |
| 21:11.20 | linuxthefish | cheers |
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| 21:12.41 | Ozuma | Hey everyone |
| 21:12.49 | Ozuma | I just installed debian, and I'm pretty new to it |
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| 21:13.12 | Ozuma | Everything is working fine, i even have Nvidia drivers working, but I can't get my 144hz monitor running at 144hz |
| 21:13.20 | Ozuma | How do I do that? |
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| 21:14.05 | Nik05 | Ozuma which drivers are you using? |
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| 21:14.18 | Ozuma | The latest nvidia drivers for Testing |
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| 21:14.26 | Ozuma | I installed them using the way it shows on the wiki |
| 21:14.40 | Ozuma | Im not sure if they are out of date to the manual installation versinos |
| 21:14.44 | Ozuma | *versions |
| 21:14.55 | Ozuma | But I can't ever get those working |
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| 21:15.41 | Ozuma | Oh, by Nvidia drivers I mean proprietary |
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| 21:16.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Where can I download jessie/testing netboot or hd-media images that are signed (or their checksums are signed)? |
| 21:16.38 | Guest46705 | bleh, anyone else update to systemd without testing and now got a system that won't go past emergency mode? |
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| 21:17.06 | Ozuma | Nik05, you there? |
| 21:17.13 | Nik05 | yes let me search :p |
| 21:17.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can't find any here: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:17.20 | Ozuma | K |
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| 21:17.52 | Nik05 | Ozuma did you try nvidia-settings? |
| 21:18.09 | Ozuma | Yeah |
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| 21:18.26 | Ozuma | But it says my 144hz monitor is 60hz |
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| 21:18.35 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 21:18.48 | Ozuma | I also have a 60hz monitor hooked up too |
| 21:19.15 | Ozuma | I want to be able to have them both hooked up with one at 60 and one at 144hz |
| 21:19.23 | Ozuma | But if I can't do that then ill just unplug the 60 |
| 21:19.42 | Nik05 | Eduard_Munteanu http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ tehere are signed checksums |
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| 21:20.19 | str3 | how come sid doesnt use systemd by default? wasnt that picked for future releases? |
| 21:20.33 | str3 | or testing for that matter |
| 21:21.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nik05: but that's for stable/wheezy |
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| 21:22.07 | Nik05 | yes sorry testing images, well they are pretty testing :P |
| 21:22.42 | Nik05 | Eduard_Munteanu these are signed http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:23.14 | Nik05 | weekly snapshots too |
| 21:23.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nik05: but those are CD ISOs :) |
| 21:24.05 | Nik05 | Eduard_Munteanu they are hybrid CD/USB/etc |
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| 21:25.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nik05: those will only work if used as ISOs on USB sticks |
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| 21:25.31 | Nik05 | Eduard_Munteanu maybe you should ask in #debian-next if someone can sign them. pretty strange those are not signed and the weekly and daily's are |
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| 21:26.01 | Nik05 | or file a bug report |
| 21:26.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | The issue is the ISOs don't work if you copy and boot the kernel and initrd from an ext4 or FAT filesystem. |
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| 21:27.12 | drywheat | i want to create a subdir under /var/log that my user acct can write into |
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| 21:27.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
| 21:27.47 | drywheat | what's the best permission scheme to use? `chown <user>:adm /var/log/<subdir>' ? |
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| 21:28.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | drywheat: for what purpose will the user write there? |
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| 21:28.52 | drywheat | Eduard_Munteanu: it will create and write to log files in that dir |
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| 21:30.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | drywheat: <user>:root sounds fine, adm too perhaps. |
| 21:31.09 | drywheat | that's what i was thinking, thanks for the feedbacks |
| 21:31.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | drywheat: consider making a separate system account if you're running a service, as opposed to your regular users |
| 21:32.08 | drywheat | that's exactly what i'm doing |
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| 21:32.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | drywheat: are you running systemd by chance? |
| 21:32.33 | drywheat | separate user account w/ no login nor passwd |
| 21:32.37 | drywheat | sysvinit |
| 21:33.10 | drywheat | i plan to wait and see if Debian actually switches to systemd |
| 21:33.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | drywheat: with systemd you can simply output to stdout/stderr and it will show up in the systemd journal |
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| 21:36.19 | kdog | k-man: I installed automysqlbackup and worked those fixes of yours in. Thanks for that. |
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| 21:38.21 | tapoxi | This isn't debian specific, but lets say I have 5 cron jobs. I want them to run every 10 minutes, but not all at the same time. Is this possible? |
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| 21:42.33 | digdilem | write a script that calls them and crontab that. add sleeps if you need to |
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| 21:45.01 | tapoxi | digdilem: yeah I guess there's no alternative |
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| 21:45.38 | digdilem | well, you could just set them at different times every hour |
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| 21:55.03 | antons | can somebody explain openstack for me please |
| 21:55.08 | antons | and why it's killing vmware ? |
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| 21:57.15 | xar- | that's a loaded question antons and it's offtopic |
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| 21:57.32 | antons | awesome |
| 21:57.50 | xar- | antons: yup, but there's #debian-offtopic if you want to ask loaded questions there |
| 21:58.04 | antons | xar-, yup |
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| 21:58.33 | antons | xar-, let me load you with loaded questions so you can load yourself with loaded question |
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| 21:59.13 | xar- | antons: I'll bite; when you ask "why it's killing vmware" you introduce a controversial and unjustified assumption into your question i.e. a fallacy. |
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| 21:59.26 | antons | xar-, agree |
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| 21:59.33 | antons | xar-, skip that part please |
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| 21:59.39 | antons | proceed with first question |
| 21:59.55 | xar- | google; openstack is widely documented. |
| 22:00.16 | xar- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStack; enjoy! |
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| 22:06.58 | SpeakerToMeat | anyone with wheezy, and linux-headers-x.x.x installed would pastebin their /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/x.x.x script for me please? |
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| 22:25.25 | brontosaurusrex | i'd like to keep the text file of all the files on the system and that text file should update on say like each hour, how would i approach that, speed would be good ? |
| 22:25.33 | brontosaurusrex | + last 20 files changed as list2 would be great |
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| 22:29.33 | pederindi | Hi, in what mailing list I can get updates for example: know if we are in debian 7.5 and we should update |
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| 22:33.11 | pederindi | Draxelis: # iptables --help |
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| 22:52.11 | p3p3 | hi guys |
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| 22:52.38 | p3p3 | am having a problem while trying to update |
| 22:52.47 | p3p3 | am getting this error message |
| 22:52.56 | p3p3 | E: Error ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable/main base-files i386 7.1wheezy5 Unable to connect to :ftp: |
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| 22:53.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell p3p3 about wheezy sources.list |
| 22:53.49 | p3p3 | does anyone know what is going on with the ftp server? |
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| 22:54.19 | abrotman | just use http, see what the bot told you |
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| 22:54.39 | p3p3 | abrotman: let me try that |
| 22:58.42 | p3p3 | abrotman: it worked! |
| 22:58.50 | p3p3 | thank you!! :D |
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| 23:27.01 | heedly | Do I need to download all the ISO images to install debian from DVD? |
| 23:27.09 | erek | OpenBSD 5.5 Released |
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| 23:27.52 | hibari | hi |
| 23:28.06 | ctmjr | heedly: no just the first one |
| 23:28.18 | hibari | i have a "permission denied" with unison via ssh |
| 23:28.23 | erek | hibari, OpenBSD 5.5 Released |
| 23:28.27 | hibari | but ssh works fine |
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| 23:28.45 | hibari | erek, sorry ? |
| 23:28.58 | erek | hibari: ever heard of openbsd? |
| 23:29.05 | S4nD3r | Is there in Debian a software similar "additional drivers" of ubuntu ? |
| 23:29.07 | hibari | erek, yes |
| 23:29.18 | erek | hibari: new version just came out toda |
| 23:29.19 | erek | y |
| 23:29.22 | ctmjr | erek: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 23:29.34 | erek | ctmjr: :( |
| 23:30.03 | hibari | erek, i don't understand |
| 23:30.33 | erek | nevermind |
| 23:30.35 | mtn | S4nD3r: no, but you can use the debian wiki to look for info about drivers |
| 23:31.13 | hibari | erek, anyway, i you have an idea, just share |
| 23:31.28 | S4nD3r | Ok! |
| 23:31.31 | S4nD3r | Thank you |
| 23:31.37 | mtn | S4nD3r: yw |
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| 23:37.08 | _-Antony-_ | hola hay alguien q habla de español? aki |
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| 23:50.36 | gaasfet | hello, need help with non-booting post d-u |
| 23:50.43 | hibari | pfff that was nothing |
| 23:50.58 | hibari | thanks erek |
| 23:51.05 | gaasfet | "cannot ioremap FB base" |
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| 23:51.34 | RobertoB_ | hello there |
| 23:51.43 | RobertoB_ | I'd need some help with apt-pinning |
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| 23:51.53 | RobertoB_ | I read all the documentation but it is driving me mad |
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| 23:53.22 | abrotman | RobertoB_: why are you pinning? |
| 23:53.47 | RobertoB_ | I'm on Debian stable, I'd like to add backports and an ubuntu PPA - I know this is discouraged, that's why I wanna be really cautious and I'm here asking for help with pinning - |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | PPA isn't generally going to work .. and you don't need pinning for backports |
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| 23:55.01 | RobertoB_ | It's for little application, such as greeters for lightdm, plank, minitube and skype |
| 23:55.13 | RobertoB_ | (the PPA things) |
| 23:55.43 | RobertoB_ | And to enchance possibility of working I'm linking it to the "stable" release of Ubuntu, Precise |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | you don't need PPA for those things |
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| 23:56.08 | abrotman | and "stable" ubuntu is not the same as stable Debian |
| 23:56.11 | RobertoB_ | where can I find pantheon/unity greeter and plank? |
| 23:56.24 | abrotman | lightdm is the 'greeter' as you put it? |
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| 23:57.07 | RobertoB_ | I know, it is more the equivalent of Testing of the same period, but Precise it's about 1 year before Wheezy release, so chances may be good |
| 23:57.18 | RobertoB_ | but yes, I am using LightDM as Login Manager |
| 23:57.47 | RobertoB_ | and the greeters as far as I have understood are his themes |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | quite possibly .. |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | can't see why you'd need a package for that, but uh, maybe see if there's a source package |
| 23:58.14 | RobertoB_ | well more "themes" than themes |
| 23:58.35 | RobertoB_ | Already tried |
| 23:58.52 | RobertoB_ | but it ask me for libgranite1, that I haven't been able to find anywhere |
| 23:59.00 | RobertoB_ | in the Debian world |
