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| 00:03.19 | bytesaber | upgraded to testing. rebooted. ended up in a init3 looks like. can't startx or anything. |
| 00:05.38 | wols_ | there are no really differing runlevels anymore and especially not 3 |
| 00:05.49 | wols_ | maybe you are in a busybox shell? |
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| 00:09.57 | bytesaber | wols_, nah X failed to starts. Logs show "nv" failed to load. |
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| 00:11.43 | sakang | bytesaber: 'nv' driver is pretty old. should be nvidia, or nouveau I think |
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| 00:12.41 | bytesaber | sakang, well just before the last EE it does say Nouveau closed GPU channel 0 |
| 00:13.05 | bytesaber | The only thing "wierd" i arguabley did was add repos for MATE and added them. |
| 00:13.47 | bytesaber | the stock wahtever driver si fine. I don't care about a prioprietary nvidia driver at the moment. This is weird. I haven't troubleshot X in yeeears |
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| 00:15.11 | sakang | to make things easier add them later on when the upgrade is working, but I doubt it should matter anyway |
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| 00:16.17 | bytesaber | any idea what broke the X from starting? |
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| 00:16.20 | bytesaber | or how to fix it |
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| 00:16.54 | linuxuz3r | 8D |
| 00:17.13 | sakang | I suspect you may have an old xorg.conf in /etc/X11. try moving out someplace. without xorg.conf, system will try to configure itself |
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| 00:20.05 | sakang | currently xorg.conf is not necessary anymore unless you use propr nvidia |
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| 01:00.28 | Mentos | Hey might anyone know why on debian wheezy i can’t seem to install any packages? keep getting ‘Unable to locate package’ |
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| 01:01.03 | Mentos | i’ve run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to no avail |
| 01:01.16 | Kiril | Mentos |
| 01:01.31 | Kiril | apt-get update |
| 01:01.35 | Kiril | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:01.40 | Kiril | apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:01.52 | Kiril | apt-get install tcl8.5 tcl8.5-dev tcl8.5-doc tk8.5 tk8.5-dev tk8.5-doc |
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| 01:01.56 | Kiril | apt-get install tcllib |
| 01:02.08 | Kiril | u r ready to go |
| 01:02.13 | Mentos | ill try that thanks |
| 01:02.31 | Kiril | btw |
| 01:02.35 | Kiril | show me dpkg -l |grep tcl |
| 01:03.02 | somiaj | that is a loot of advice, but what version of debian do you run Mentos, and it does sound like you haven't updated your package database (hence the apt-get update) |
| 01:03.07 | Mentos | unfortunately its on my raspberry pi so i can’t copy paste |
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| 01:03.48 | Mentos | im on debian wheezy 3.10 |
| 01:03.59 | Kiril | 3.10 ? |
| 01:04.22 | Mentos | http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ |
| 01:04.23 | shibboleth | Mentos: wheezy is 7.X |
| 01:04.29 | somiaj | Mentos: are you on debian wheezy or raspbian? |
| 01:04.34 | Kiril | debian wheezy start from 7.0 latest stable is 7.5 |
| 01:04.44 | Mentos | just reading off what i see on the downloads page there under Operating System IMages |
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| 01:05.05 | Mentos | ah its Raspbian so sorry |
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| 01:05.19 | somiaj | Mentos: then you are in the wrong support channel. (: |
| 01:05.26 | diniwed | debian testing (jessie) now grabs the next free tty when you run startx.. any way I can go back to the old behavior (X sessions started at tty7)..? |
| 01:05.35 | Mentos | very sorry guys |
| 01:06.06 | somiaj | diniwed: I just noticed that too. Did you change to systemd or not (I thought it was systemd) |
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| 01:07.19 | diniwed | somia: I didn't do anything to change to systemd... but I did notice some systemd stuff in /etc... although it appears to be mostly empty... |
| 01:08.32 | diniwed | somia: come to think of it... it's been a while since I looked.. and since I do dist-upgrades on this system.. some new stuff may have been installed without my noticing.. |
| 01:08.58 | somiaj | diniwed: yea I just noticed that today that it was on a different tty, but not sure why |
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| 01:10.25 | somiaj | diniwed: I even use startx so I was surprised, anyways I dno't notice anything different in /etc/inittab, still looking |
| 01:10.43 | diniwed | somiaj: well the idea seems to be that you no longer have to do a "startx -- :8"... :9... etc. (and get insulted if you forget) when you need to run several X sessions concurrently... |
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| 01:11.34 | somiaj | diniwed: that wasn't to control which tty you ran on |
| 01:11.42 | somiaj | diniwed: what was to control what DISPLAY got set |
| 01:11.50 | somiaj | it use to just grab the first free tty |
| 01:13.18 | diniwed | somiaj: not here... on wheezy, if I do a startx on tty1, I get an X session on tty7 |
| 01:13.36 | somiaj | speaking of which, the current changelong in xinit says " - startx: Choose an unused $DISPLAY by default on all platforms" so even that won't be needed |
| 01:14.07 | somiaj | diniwed: oh yea it was definintally a change, it use to be that it would choose the first free tty which is 7 by default (unless you change your inittab) |
| 01:14.16 | diniwed | somiaj: but if I drop to tty2 and try to launch another.. it tells me there's an X server already running on tty 7... so I had to specify a different display... |
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| 01:14.37 | somiaj | diniwed: tty7 and the DISPLAY are two different things |
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| 01:15.09 | somiaj | didn't see anything in the xinit change log |
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| 01:17.25 | diniwed | somiaj: naturally... my point is that when you specified another display, startx apparently wasn't smart enough to realize that it needed to grab another tty... |
| 01:18.00 | diniwed | somiaj: correct that: when you did not specify another display, startx apparently wasn't smart enough to realize that it needed to grab another tty... |
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| 01:21.29 | somiaj | diniwed: anyways maybe if you find out let me know, I have looked though some change logs and so far no luck on identifying the change |
| 01:21.39 | somiaj | I almost wonder if it is something systemd is doing but not sure |
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| 01:24.47 | somiaj | yea looks like my hunch is right, this is kind dated, but first thing I'm finding http://blog.falconindy.com/articles/back-to-basics-with-x-and-systemd.html |
| 01:25.05 | diniwed | somiaj: Aaaahh... ye little bugger :-) I was trying to find some way to convince you to "find out let me know"... |
| 01:25.07 | somiaj | I also wonder if you are loged into tty2 if it will pick tty3 (i.e. pick the first tty that dosen't have a login) |
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| 01:27.01 | diniwed | somiaj: now I know about it... it doesn't bother me all that much... the problem is when you use CTRL+ALT+8 (e.g.) to switch and nothing happens.. especially at a time when you've been remapping your keyboard... most confusing...! |
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| 01:28.58 | somiaj | diniwed: looks like you can force xinit to start on any tty you want, most suggestion I am seeing say do that, but it should be possible to configure systemd I would imangine |
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| 01:31.51 | diniwed | somiaj: well, systemd would be involved at bootup to create your tty's I assume... but when you launch a second session it's about startx/xinit initialization.. is systemd involved in this as well..? |
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| 01:34.24 | diniwed | I've had a feeling I should learn about systemd real soon before they make it compulsory or something.. and it hits me right in the face when it's the last thing I need... |
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| 01:35.03 | diniwed | somiaj: any decent doc about systemd at this point..? debian-centric preferably... |
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| 01:36.53 | somiaj | diniwed: this is arch, but it talks about the issue https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=145335 |
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| 01:44.47 | somiaj | diniwed: anyways it looks like startx/xinit is still doing what it has done is find the first free tty and attach to it. But now systemd doesn't launch all the tty's and launches them on-demand (so if you only have tty1 open right after boot no other getty have been run) |
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| 01:45.30 | somiaj | diniwed: if you just quickly hit alt-f2 though f6 then back to f1 before running startx it would work like it use to. So then the question is how to configure systemd to actually launch getty on each tty (instead of its default behavior) |
| 01:46.17 | somiaj | diniwed: or just change your startx command to force it to run on tty7 |
| 01:46.32 | somiaj | (well xinit since startx is just a wrapper script) |
| 01:47.26 | diniwed | somiaj: thanks for the link.. and yes.. it would explain systemd's involvement.. insofar as only one tty is created at bootup and the rest of them are created on demand... very interesting.. |
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| 01:49.42 | coreid | hello, folks anyone experiencing usb mouse freezing on debian unstable? |
| 01:51.20 | somiaj | coreid: porbabaly not the real question you want to ask. When it freezes can you at least alt-tab to a terminal and look at the output of 'dmesg | tail' |
| 01:51.26 | somiaj | or just dmesg if that doens't produce enough |
| 01:51.41 | somiaj | but look for errors in dmesg about the usb mouse |
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| 01:54.33 | coreid | yes did just that, what I noticed is that ehci_pci keep removing and adding the mouse input device over and over |
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| 01:55.44 | coreid | so the freeze/lag could be when it gets removed and then re-added |
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| 01:57.37 | NickyP | i have testing installed jessie alpha 1. I am not familiar with xfce. Is there a reference howto to start without a logon dialog? Have done it with gnome before.. |
| 01:57.44 | somiaj | coreid: correct, so this could be a problem with a few things, either the mouse, the usb controler on your mobo, or the module in that kernel. Did it work just fine on previous kernels? |
| 01:58.12 | diniwed | somiaj: not sure about the dynamic allocation thing tho.. because I have some 60-something /dev/tty devices... if I do a "deallocvt 8".. I get a resource busy error message.. and if I do an "echo 'hello' > /dev/tty8" I do get a hello message on tty8 (where nothing is running.. just a black screen) .. so it looks like it's alive and well |
| 01:58.58 | somiaj | diniwed: it is just getty is not run on the ttys (this grabs it so you can use it with your keyboard among other things I belive) |
| 01:59.19 | somiaj | diniwed: systemd still seems to respect /etc/inittab (this is what use to run getty on tty1-6, and you could configure it if you wanted more/less |
| 02:00.01 | somiaj | diniwed: so systemd still repsects /etc/inittab it just won't run getty (thus grabbing the tty and running something on it) and you won't get one if you hit alt-f7 by default |
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| 02:01.30 | somiaj | diniwed: so yes the other tty's are there if you want to send them data, but you would have to run getty (looks like agetty on my system) to grab the tty and run login() on it |
| 02:01.38 | somiaj | which is what systemd is doing on demand |
| 02:02.45 | diniwed | yes: immediately after you boot you still get 6 logon prompts on tty1-6.. trouble is I'm very ignornant and I have no idea what state the terminal is when you do an Alt+7 immediately after booting.. you do switch to tty7 presumably.. but there's nothing running there to read your keyboard input.. |
| 02:03.23 | somiaj | correct getty hasn't been run on that tty and won't be unless you do so or change /etc/inittab |
| 02:04.02 | coreid | somiaj: this is on a dell laptop, I think it is something to do with kernel as I am experiences the same with inbuilt trackpad |
| 02:04.29 | somiaj | coreid: do you still have your old kernel in /var/cache/apt/alternatives/ (this is where apt downloads the .deb apcakges) |
| 02:04.33 | coreid | the trackpad works fine after removing ehci_pci |
| 02:04.54 | somiaj | coreid: if you ahve the old kernel there or still installed, can you boot up off of if and see if it is indeed the kernel. If so you have a temp fix and can file a bugreport or see if one has been filed. |
| 02:05.29 | coreid | Yes I could try downgrading the kernel and see what happens, I am checking if anyone has filed a bug report |
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| 02:08.19 | diniwed | somiaj: ah.. OK.. the kernel knows about the devices.. has allocated memory to handle them... etc. but init/systemd did not start any process to handle them.. so when you run startx/xinit... it asks systemd to run an xserver and connect it to the next "free" tty... |
| 02:08.51 | diniwed | ... but after you boot up tty2 is not "free" since it's already running getty.. now I'm confused... |
| 02:09.36 | somiaj | diniwed: it doesn't really ask systemd to, it runs and then looks for a free tty to run in |
| 02:10.04 | somiaj | diniwed: this is what systemd is doing. It is not running getty on tty2, but as soon as you check by hitting alt-f2 it runs getty on tty2 giving you a login prompt |
| 02:10.49 | diniwed | somiaj: yes.. but that's my point... tty2 is not "free" (quote unquote" since there's already a getty running on it... |
| 02:11.26 | somiaj | diniwed: no there is not getty runing on it until you hit alt-f2. If you boot up, log into tty1 and run 'startx' it is open |
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| 02:12.19 | somiaj | diniwed: go hit alt f1 though f6 (then look at the output of ps fax) you will see /sbin/agetty running on those tty,s if you did this right after booting you would not see this. (sysvinit would just run getty on these during the init process) |
| 02:13.02 | somiaj | coreid: hopefully it is just an issue with the current kernel and not your usb controler (: |
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| 02:15.55 | diniwed | somiaj: can't reboot right now... but what I'll do next time I boot is login to tty1 and use ps or whatever to check whether there is any process connected to tty2... before trying to switch to it.. am a bit skeptical about ALT+F2 causing getty to run on tty2... |
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| 02:16.23 | diniwed | wish I knew how the old system worked.. it would make it easier understanding the "new" one.. :) |
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| 02:16.36 | somiaj | well it is what is happening as everythign I read seems to confirm it, and so do my tests |
| 02:16.55 | somiaj | this is new to me, I wouldn't have guessed that systemd did it this way. (: |
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| 02:18.31 | Devastator | were the dvd images removed from some mirrors? I can only find MD5SUM files in iso-dvd folder of brazilian mirrors |
| 02:18.43 | diniwed | somiaj: I sure hope you're right about that.. 'coz it would explain everything.. and I rather like it when things are simple enough I can understand them... |
| 02:18.57 | somiaj | Devastator: might depend on the mirror in question and what they want to host. |
| 02:19.48 | Devastator | somiaj damn :( I want to test my connection with a big file and from a brazilian mirror to exclude international routes problems |
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| 02:21.03 | diniwed | now back to what I was trying to get to work... |
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| 02:22.45 | leaverite | anybody here tried to install PerlTk lately ? |
| 02:22.57 | leaverite | any luck? any problems ? |
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| 02:25.15 | Devastator | even ftp.br.debian.org doesn't contain any iso |
| 02:25.17 | diniwed | would anyone know how to make GTK apps aware of my ~/.XCompose file that supplements the Compose file in /usr/share/locale/<my_locale>/ ...? |
| 02:25.18 | Devastator | odd.. |
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| 02:26.24 | themill | Devastator: iso images are not on the regular mirror network |
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| 02:26.43 | leaverite | THe reason I'm asking here is that I had no trouble installing it on pcbsd at all. but have not been able to in 12.10 or 14.04 |
| 02:26.46 | somiaj | Devastator: Not really, iso's are large files. Can you use cdimage.debian.org (think that is a mirror that hosts just the .iso) |
| 02:26.56 | leaverite | Ubuntu. |
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| 02:27.37 | leaverite | and that being debian based..sorta. I'm trying tozero in on where the problem lies. |
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| 02:27.49 | Devastator | somiaj I certainly can, the problem is cdimage.debian.org redirected me to a .se mirror which has poor performance |
| 02:27.53 | SynrG | No |
| 02:28.26 | SynrG | !ubuntuirc leaverite |
| 02:28.26 | dpkg | leaverite: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 02:28.29 | Devastator | themill as my next question to you is not related, I will ask at #debian-ot |
| 02:28.42 | themill | Devastator: if you just want a big file, there's libreoffice-dbg or chromium-dbg ;) |
| 02:29.16 | Devastator | themill humm, interesting, let's see what brazilian mirrors have :) |
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| 02:45.13 | greenride | How does one save monitor settings in KDE after reboot? I have to reset them every time, and saving session doesn't seem to help. |
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| 02:45.49 | somiaj | greenride: how are you setting them (with what tool)? |
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| 02:46.26 | greenride | somiaj: System Settings -> Display and Monitor |
| 02:46.58 | somiaj | I'm surprised it doesn't save them, I don't know kde enough I was just making sure you were using the kde tools |
| 02:47.12 | leaverite | SynrG, sorry for the delay, trying to help myself too. Yes I know it's not the ubuntu help channel, what I'm asking is just if anybody using Debian has tried to install PerlTk, as my problem seems to be spaninig both debianand Ubuntu according to web pages found with google. |
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| 02:49.40 | leaverite | I was gong to install 7.4 yesterday but ran into a problem with my ASUS wifi dongle with rtl8192 chipset in it. |
| 02:50.52 | somiaj | you will need non-free firmware for that, or use the firmware images |
| 02:50.56 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 02:50.56 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 02:51.31 | leaverite | it seems the software for installing the firmware into the device has been removed from the rest of the module and while I was able to modprobe in the live cd mode ( in 7.4) , I could not install that non-free firmware package while in live cd mode |
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| 02:52.12 | somiaj | yea you need unoffical copies with the firmware, or a copy of the firmware you can get onto the running system |
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| 02:52.35 | somiaj | afiak the above netisntall is the only such non-free firmware images, the live images will only be from debian main |
| 02:52.50 | leaverite | I didnt know for certain thatthat firmware installer would qure my problem once 7.4 was installed or not, or I would be talking to you from 7.4 right now! |
| 02:53.06 | leaverite | s/qure/ cure/ |
| 02:53.32 | leaverite | believe me, I was sadly dissapointed about that. |
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| 03:10.33 | somiaj | leaverite: that won't matter, you could have installed without the net and copied the firmware over, or use the netinstall firmware iamge, and just download kde (or what ever desktop you want). Note 'desktop' will default to gnome, have to goto an additional or advanced options menu to choose kde/xfce/lxde |
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| 03:13.21 | leaverite | I sure am tempted to re-install using debian since I dont have a lot invested in this 14.04 yet. |
| 03:14.08 | leaverite | but without any kind of network support till I get that asus stick working properly, frankly, I'm scared!! :) |
| 03:14.35 | leaverite | I had more than my share of problems with this stuff lately. |
| 03:15.18 | leaverite | nice thing is, that .iso I downloaded already has kde in it. |
| 03:15.22 | somiaj | as I said, you only need firmware, it isn't difficult or not gonna work, you just have to get the firmware for that card on your system. |
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| 03:16.24 | somiaj | well then https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek -- download the firmware you need, copy teh .deb to the system (you can install without needing the net or even just get another usb drive or some other way to copy the file over), install that .deb with the firmware, realod the realtek module and bring up the interface |
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| 03:17.12 | leaverite | slightly related, how big ( bulky) is that XFCE? anywhere near as big as KDE or very small/light like lxde ? |
| 03:17.26 | somiaj | I woudl say somewhere in the middle |
| 03:17.41 | somiaj | but according to live.debian.net it isn't that much bigger than lxde in compressed live format |
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| 03:18.26 | leaverite | I've fired it up acouple times but not enough to get a feel for that. |
| 03:19.13 | addaitech | xfce seems to run a little better in my experience then my openbox + lxpanel setup i was using |
| 03:19.39 | somiaj | I use a very minimial wm setup, so I don't have much experience with the de's |
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| 03:20.53 | leaverite | I see that there's a Debian KFreeBSD I'd like to run, but I dont know how well the grubloaders would cooperate |
| 03:22.23 | leaverite | in otherwords now that I would have 7.4 installed, if I wanted to install debian KfreeBSD inanother partition ( I already have reserved) would the grub installer be happy to coexist ? |
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| 03:23.03 | somiaj | leaverite: efi boot or legacy mbr boot? |
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| 03:24.03 | leaverite | Yeah, well, I guess that's another issue. I noticed that debian gladly supports a number of different bootloaders. and I dont know grub worth a hoot!! |
| 03:24.24 | leaverite | I've never heard of efi boot tho. |
| 03:24.52 | somiaj | leaverite: this is not dealing with the boot loader, this is the actualy bios of your computer, since you don't know efi, i will assume mbr |
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| 03:25.11 | somiaj | leaverite: in the legacy mbr case I would suggest you let one operating system boot manager manage or chain load the others |
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| 03:25.13 | leaverite | think so!! :) |
| 03:25.39 | leaverite | agreed |
| 03:25.44 | somiaj | leaverite: i.e. so either install the boot manager into the mbr of the partition the install is on and have a single one in the mbr of the disk chain laod the right one |
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| 03:26.10 | somiaj | leaverite: or use your faviort os and configure it by there (debian has an os-probe package to try to help configure its grub to load other oses it finds) |
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| 03:26.58 | somiaj | leaverite: though if you want to play around maybe set up your main ssytem to do virtual installs so you dont have to worry about all the booting and the likes |
| 03:27.09 | somiaj | leaverite: I don't know for soure |
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| 03:29.32 | leaverite | hmm. I already have a Win-7 and U14.04 running and an abourted PCBSD that wont work right now. ( the windows loader expects a UFS fiule system and PCBSD 10 wants to use ZFS. |
| 03:30.06 | leaverite | that's a large part of therreason I'm interested in Debian KfreeBSD. |
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| 03:30.56 | leaverite | I've beenusing FreeBSD since about 92 and pcbsd since about 2009 untill aug 2011 |
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| 03:33.19 | leaverite | plus pcbsd is going to a not-so-LTS support scheme and I'm tired of re-installing!! |
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| 03:38.50 | leaverite | somaij, how long has Debian separated out the firmware loader for the rtl8192 chipset now ? |
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| 03:41.34 | somiaj | leaverite: squeeze I think was the first release, I think it was part of a larger project seperating it out of the main linux kernel. |
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| 03:42.50 | leaverite | somaij, why would they want to do that? dont make sense to me! |
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| 03:45.45 | somiaj | leaverite: https://www.debian.org/social_contract -- debian has always been based the software it chooses based upon the DFSG (debian free software guidlines) and software in main must qualify. So contrib and non-free have been around for a long time to give some support for software that did not meet (or depends) around software that didnt' meet the DSFG |
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| 03:46.44 | somiaj | leaverite: so after the linux kernel started to have various firmware files that didn't meet the DSFG they were removed from teh main line kernel and included as optional non-free packages. |
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| 03:48.13 | leaverite | Well, guess that makes sense. |
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| 03:48.46 | leaverite | ya gotta have a starting point for what's included and what's not. |
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| 03:49.43 | hugg | leaverite: it's actually kind of brilliant as a point of pushing manufacturers to free their source. |
| 03:50.00 | leaverite | still, to have auseable kernel module ( *.ko) and not some way included on the .iso image to use it with. |
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| 03:50.47 | leaverite | hugg, I kindadisagree. yesterday I chose the U14.04 chiefly because I was not able to make my device work. |
| 03:51.30 | somiaj | leaverite: I have said your device would work in debian, it just requires you make the choice to include non-free software on your system as opposed to just putting it there automagically. |
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| 03:52.05 | leaverite | Right, agreed. butI didnt know that yesterday when I had to make a decision. |
| 03:52.08 | somiaj | but yes you do need to read about debian a bit to understand this so you can install the firwmare. |
| 03:52.18 | hugg | leaverite: if you're happy making very rich South African richer off distributing open source compiled packages, then you could also just mail him a cheque to his palace on the Isle of Mann. |
| 03:52.47 | leaverite | Isle of Mann?? in Scotland ? |
| 03:53.01 | Fractals | it's better to for a user to have to agree to install non-free software than to install it automatically without asking |
| 03:53.06 | hugg | leaverite: that's where the Ubuntu "self appointed dictator for life" lives. |
| 03:53.17 | leaverite | reckon he'd send me backa bottle of good single malt Scoch?? :) |
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| 03:53.40 | Fractals | isle of mann isn't scotland |
| 03:53.53 | hugg | Fractals: I was going to let that slip. |
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| 03:54.28 | Fractals | hugg: me too, until he mentioned scotch, as well |
| 03:54.29 | leaverite | heh, Well, i didnt say it outright but I'm not using ubuntu cause I LIKE it. but because it would work "out of the box" on the 2 devices I have that Ican get internet with. |
| 03:54.45 | leaverite | and believe me!! that's the only reason!! |
| 03:55.15 | leaverite | lmao |
| 03:55.36 | leaverite | scotch is good for ya laddie!! |
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| 03:56.34 | leaverite | where is it ? |
| 03:56.43 | leaverite | Mann, that is? |
| 03:57.12 | hugg | leaverite: it's between Ireland and Scotland, in the sea, but north of wales |
| 03:58.12 | leaverite | Ah yes. I thought I remembered it being up there somewhere. |
| 03:58.48 | Fractals | what is canonical's main source of revenue, anyway? |
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| 03:59.21 | leaverite | Welll a case of Guiness or some good irish whisky would be nice too. Cant get either one of them here in the middle Philippines |
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| 04:00.53 | leaverite | You wouldnt believe what passes for whisky here! |
| 04:01.06 | hugg | Fractals: overtly? support they sell to google. but it's probably the hoardes of user data collected by Ubuntu Cloud and the Ubuntu Store. |
| 04:01.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 04:01.43 | themill | or #ubuntu |
| 04:01.48 | leaverite | glad I dont use either one of those. |
| 04:02.25 | leaverite | I didnt know yall had such a channel. that's good. |
| 04:04.15 | leaverite | still, tho. I'm wondering if anybody has had any problem getting PerlTk to build on their debian? or has everybody abandoned Perl for Python/ |
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| 04:04.42 | themill | leaverite: why would you build perltk when you can apt-get install perl-tk |
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| 04:05.35 | asterismo | hi people, i have a problem |
| 04:05.37 | leaverite | didnt learn about perl-tk till after I started trying to cpan Tk in and hit all kinds of obstacles. |
| 04:05.44 | asterismo | i'm using Kopete for Jabber chat |
| 04:05.55 | asterismo | and after a fresh install of debian 7.5 KDE wheezy |
| 04:06.24 | asterismo | i cannot use SSL in Jabber because Kopete says qca tls is missing in my system |
| 04:06.25 | leaverite | another kde fan!! |
| 04:06.26 | asterismo | any ideas? |
| 04:06.41 | asterismo | i did apt-get install libqca2 |
| 04:06.44 | asterismo | but nothing |
| 04:06.56 | asterismo | please help |
| 04:07.15 | leaverite | try apt-cache search libqca ? |
| 04:08.07 | leaverite | might just need a few more characters on the end. |
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| 04:10.34 | leaverite | themill, before I got tk to build ini cpan, I did find perl-tk and install it. found it on google, as a matter of fact. |
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| 04:11.24 | asterismo | done: apt-get install libqca2-plugin-ossl |
| 04:11.27 | asterismo | thanks |
| 04:11.32 | asterismo | leaverite: thanks |
| 04:11.34 | leaverite | I liked the output with that better than what I finally got when I got all the dependencies for cpan's build installed. |
| 04:12.00 | leaverite | asterismo you're welcome |
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| 04:16.32 | leaverite | themill, do you use perl or perl-tk much ? |
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| 04:22.26 | quark8 | Yah |
| 04:22.48 | leaverite | yah, what ? |
| 04:22.53 | quark8 | Awesome!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:23.30 | leaverite | Thank you!! |
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| 05:52.54 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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| 05:54.36 | nashant | Hey guys. I'm using testing and I'm trying to figure out how to turn the lock screen off. I've put xset s off; xset -dpms; xset s noblank in ~/.xinitrc but no joy. I've turned off the lock screen in privacy, but the screen still goes blank and goes to lock screen. How do I do it??? |
| 05:55.23 | somiaj | nashant: what desktop do you use? That is where I will look, screen locking is an additional program running, usually attached to a screensaver or screensaver settings |
| 05:55.41 | somiaj | the xset is just for default xorg blanking which won't lock your screen |
| 05:55.43 | nashant | somiaj: G3 |
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| 05:56.53 | somiaj | nashant: google says you should have had it, settings -> privacy -> screen lock -> should say Off next to automatic screen lock |
| 05:57.20 | nashant | somiaj: Yeah, I found that too. I've been googling for ages |
| 05:58.38 | somiaj | do you use xscreensaver or some other screen saver program than the default gnome one? |
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| 06:02.01 | soa2ii_ | Hi. I installed spamassin and the update cronjob seems to fail because of wrong permissions. I created a spamd user myself and the cron seems to use debian-spamd. Can I safely replace this with my spamd user? |
| 06:05.50 | somiaj | soa2ii_: I would personally suggest using the user created by the debian packages, and condensing the two users into one. Might be more than just changing that one cron job |
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| 06:07.03 | somiaj | soa2ii_: just when installing/reomving/upgrading packages, they may be expecting a user called debian-spamd to run things as. Though this totally dpends on the package and I wouldn't know what (if any) consquences are for calling the user spamd |
| 06:07.35 | soa2ii_ | somiaj: Why isn't the debian-spamd mentiond in /etc/default/spamassassin? All tutorials online create a new user … |
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| 06:08.13 | soa2ii_ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSpamAssassin ok … here they call spamc as this user … |
| 06:08.20 | somiaj | soa2ii_: I was currently lookign up details on that user, so far I can't tell if it was a convention or not |
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| 06:09.31 | somiaj | soa2ii_: yea seems debian-spamd is created by the install, I would suggest using that user that was creaed by the debian packages, the few thigns I have found talking about that use (debian wiki was one) suggest that too |
| 06:09.54 | soa2ii_ | OK |
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| 06:10.28 | somiaj | soa2ii_: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSpamAssassin -- doesn't talk about the user much but its hooking it to postfix says use debian-spamd as the user |
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| 06:11.16 | soa2ii_ | That's what I found too … |
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| 06:52.46 | buu | So uh |
| 06:53.03 | buu | Anyone know why a dkms build script would go into sleep mode forever? |
| 06:54.31 | buu | root 16207 0.0 0.0 11972 2248 tty1 S+ 01:49 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/sbin/dkms build -m zfs -v 0.6.2 -k 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 06:57.06 | buu | So now I get 'dpkg was interrupted use --configure -a' so I do and it goes back to /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 06:57.11 | buu | Which apparently just hangs forever |
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| 07:06.09 | linuxuz3r | so many users but so quiet in here |
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| 07:06.18 | ebfull | :) |
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| 07:07.42 | buu | linuxuz3r: Well, no one wants to answer my question =[ |
| 07:07.47 | buu | So they've all runa way! |
| 07:07.51 | buu | oh |
| 07:08.02 | buu | Apparently if I just do nothing for long enough all problems go away. Good life lesson. |
| 07:08.18 | linuxuz3r | buu whats the question |
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| 07:10.11 | buu | linuxuz3r: I thought my dkms install had locked up |
| 07:10.14 | buu | But it was just very, very, very slow |
| 07:10.23 | buu | HA |
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| 07:11.17 | linuxuz3r | well i got a bug on my add remove software |
| 07:11.19 | DirtyBottoms | o/ |
| 07:11.34 | linuxuz3r | when i try to search i cannot select the categories |
| 07:11.45 | linuxuz3r | after searching that is |
| 07:11.58 | linuxuz3r | well searching an empty string |
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| 07:22.21 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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| 07:30.22 | buu | Goddamn it |
| 07:30.24 | buu | Computers suck |
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| 08:57.51 | musca | superlinux-hp: What do you want to achieve? What did you try, what did you get, what did you expect? |
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| 09:01.46 | superlinux-hp | musca, I don't know what the network admin wants to achieve exactly. but we have a Mikrotik setup, and we are a local ISP. |
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| 09:19.31 | tikun | superlinux-hp: are you talking about a SSL CA ( Certificate Authority ) ? |
| 09:19.57 | superlinux-hp | I don't know anything about the topic. |
| 09:20.24 | superlinux-hp | so I think we have to wait to get an answer from my network admin. |
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| 09:22.10 | tikun | it sounds like you may be talking about a CA, which validates SSL certificates pretty much, telling end users the SSL cert is good and not spoofed, blah blah blah |
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| 09:28.46 | yoyorls | hi, i am doing mkdir Bla with my user and when i 'ls' the owner is root? chown does not work either. What could cause this? |
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| 09:33.54 | tikun | so you create a directory under your account, and the ownership is root? |
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| 09:37.00 | linuxuz3r | how do i install dvd decryption library |
| 09:37.43 | Asmooh | www.google.com |
| 09:37.48 | yoyorls | tikun, yes |
| 09:38.16 | yoyorls | tikun, i'm creating it on a ntfs partition |
| 09:38.47 | yoyorls | but its mounted with perms for all |
| 09:39.17 | tikun | hmm... I haven't dealt much with ntfs in debian |
| 09:39.23 | tikun | dual boot? |
| 09:39.27 | yoyorls | nope |
| 09:39.39 | tikun | so why a ntfs partition? |
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| 09:40.02 | xand | !tell linuxuz3r about libdvdcss |
| 09:40.13 | yoyorls | well, planning on sharing it later |
| 09:40.26 | tikun | I see |
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| 09:58.50 | linuxuz3r | xand thanks |
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| 10:26.45 | Jemt | Hi. I have mounted a network share using SSH. Where is the local mount point found? Using Debian 7.5 with Gnome |
| 10:27.05 | nkuttler | Jemt: which command did you use to mount it? |
| 10:27.05 | Jemt | (looks like the old Gnome 2) |
| 10:27.19 | Jemt | nkuttler: I used Nautilus |
| 10:27.41 | nkuttler | Jemt: well don't you have a network sidebar thingie or whatever in nautilus? |
| 10:28.06 | Jemt | As far as I recall, Nautilus used to mount network drives in .gvfs - but that's not the case anymore it seems |
| 10:28.53 | Jemt | nkuttler: Sure, but not all programs are able to read the files from the network share. I need to be able to access the files as if they were local |
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| 10:29.27 | nkuttler | Jemt: i see. never used gvfs |
| 10:29.32 | Jemt | Why? |
| 10:29.39 | nkuttler | i don't use gnome? |
| 10:30.02 | Jemt | Oh, sorry. Read your comment like "never use gvfs" |
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| 10:30.22 | nkuttler | ;) |
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| 10:44.57 | Jemt | Hi. I'm using Gnome 3.4 on Debian 7.5. I have connected a network share via SSH using Nautilus. Where do I find the mount point? Some programs are only able to work with local on the local file system |
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| 10:45.56 | SynrGy | i don't know specifically about sshfs, but /media is typically where user-mounted filesystems go |
| 10:46.11 | SynrGy | and in some gnome3 versions, /media/username/ |
| 10:46.21 | SynrGy | (not sure if gnome 3.4 did this though) |
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| 10:50.44 | xand | Jemt: I don't think that actually mounts things |
| 10:51.09 | SynrG | Could be using sftp then |
| 10:51.10 | Jemt | I just realized that I may be missing gvfs-fuse |
| 10:51.13 | xand | It makes them available only to applications that use certain libraries |
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| 10:51.32 | SynrG | Ahhh |
| 10:51.42 | SynrG | Use sshfs, then |
| 10:51.42 | xand | Jemt: you can run "mount" to see everything properly mounted |
| 10:51.57 | SynrG | Yup |
| 10:51.59 | Jemt | xand: Yep, and my network share does not show up |
| 10:52.13 | Jemt | Giving -fuse a try |
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| 10:52.48 | Otacon22 | Where should I complain about the security announcement of debian security team? |
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| 10:53.13 | Otacon22 | An email without any detail if the problem is local or remote |
| 10:53.23 | Otacon22 | And I have to look for CVEs |
| 10:53.27 | Otacon22 | -.-' |
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| 10:53.50 | Otacon22 | ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00100.html ) |
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| 10:54.23 | tdn_ | I am trying to get dovecot to work in Debian 7. Appearently, it starts up fine, however, it says the following in the log: dovecot: master: Warning: Killed with signal 15 (by pid=9275 uid=0 code=kill) ----- the problem I have is that authentication does not work. I use SQL auth via postgres. My SQL configuration works fine on another server that runs debian 6. |
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| 10:56.12 | Linuxator | is Debian 8 out? |
| 10:56.14 | nkuttler | tdn: dmesg | tail ? |
| 10:56.17 | nkuttler | Linuxator: no |
| 10:56.37 | Jemt | The solution (as root): apt-get install gvfs-fuse && gpasswd -a ${USERNAME} fuse - Log out and back into Gnome. Now, when network shares are mounted, they become available as local file system items in /home/USER/.gvfs |
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| 10:58.08 | SynrG | Linuxator: subscribe to the debian-announce mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce |
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| 10:58.36 | Linuxator | SynrG: ok,thanx |
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| 11:01.12 | SynrGy | Otacon22: that kind of announcement is fairly typical. there are too many things fixed at once to enumerate them all in the announcement, so it's no big shock they just refer you to release notes. but https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact if you like. what's the big deal? just upgrade. |
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| 11:03.48 | SynrG | tdn: anything in /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/NEWS.Debian.gz help? |
| 11:04.27 | SynrG | tdn: i.e. did this break on an upgrade from an older release? |
| 11:04.57 | SynrG | i vaguely remember having some things to fix when i first upgraded to wheezy. |
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| 11:07.06 | Jemt | Thanks for your help, guys! Bye :) |
| 11:08.18 | Otacon22 | SynrG, I just want to understand if the vulnerability is remote or local without loosing time to read a plenty of CVEs. |
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| 11:12.39 | SynrG | Otacon22: i don't understand the significance. an administrator should apply security patches to software they use, period. |
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| 11:13.26 | SynrG | Otacon22: do you have mysql configured to allow non-localhost access? if so, consider it remotely attackable. |
| 11:13.39 | SynrG | Otacon22: if not, then you're only vulnerable to local attacks by default. |
| 11:14.20 | katr0 | exit |
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| 11:15.10 | tdn | SynrG, no. I have an existing server that works on debian 6. I also have a debian 7 server that I plan to migrate dovecot to. |
| 11:17.25 | tdn | SynrG, nothing useful in NEWS.Debian.gz. |
| 11:17.49 | tdn | SynrG, there are notices regarding change of config format, but I have already converted to the new format. |
| 11:18.20 | SynrG | hmm |
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| 11:19.02 | tdn | oh. Wait a minute. |
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| 11:19.11 | jelly-home | tdn: configuration changed quite a bit from 1.x to 2.x, did you read debian's and upstream migration notes? |
| 11:19.16 | tdn | I have now gotten this error in the logs : dovecot: imap-login: Fatal: Couldn't parse private ssl_key |
| 11:19.33 | SynrG | ah. that does seem relevant :) |
| 11:19.36 | tdn | Yeah. |
| 11:19.53 | tdn | Dovecot reads the SSL keys while it is root, right? That is, before privs are dropped? |
| 11:21.06 | xand | tdn: yes. |
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| 11:21.22 | tdn | xand, so it should not be a permissions problem. |
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| 11:22.01 | SynrG | tdn: if it helps, my dovecot.pem is owned by root:dovecot and is 600 |
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| 11:22.33 | xand | tdn: the setting is ssl_key_file according to my config |
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| 11:22.38 | xand | not ssl_key |
| 11:22.45 | tdn | SynrG, mine is owned by root:mail and is 640. But it does nto matter much because it is read as root |
| 11:23.04 | tdn | xand, yeah, that is old config format. From 2.0 config, it is ssl_key. |
| 11:23.19 | xand | k. is the file in the right format then? |
| 11:23.25 | xand | x509 |
| 11:24.17 | tdn | xand, it is a .der file produced by openssl. I assume this is OK? |
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| 11:24.51 | xand | er |
| 11:24.57 | SynrG | uh, no? :) |
| 11:25.06 | xand | yeah I think not |
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| 11:25.22 | xand | well, the name doesn't necessarily indicate the format |
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| 11:27.14 | SynrG | is your file in /etc/dovecot/private? |
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| 11:27.49 | SynrG | (i guess it doesn't matter so long as your config points in the right place, but that's where the doc says it belongs) |
| 11:28.00 | xand | tdn: it'd normally be a file containing base64-encoded data, starting with ----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY----- or -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 11:28.40 | SynrG | tdn: have a look in /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz as well as the NEWS file and see if anything else in there jumps out at you |
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| 11:29.35 | etuardu | Hello, installing debian (jessie netinst on usb stick) I get stuck during "detecting network hardware". In the live log (ctrl+alt+f4) i read about fails while probing and loading wifi firmware. What could I try to do? |
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| 11:32.28 | tdn | xand, SynrG: OK. I generated a .pem key instead. It works now. Thanks a lot! |
| 11:32.44 | wols_ | etuardu: you should not use jessie on a usb stick in the first place |
| 11:32.49 | xand | right |
| 11:32.53 | wols_ | and tell us what wlan hardware you have |
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| 11:33.49 | SynrG | tdn: yay! |
| 11:34.02 | etuardu | wols_, "03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)" |
| 11:34.11 | wols_ | !bcm4313 |
| 11:34.11 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
| 11:34.27 | wols_ | etuardu: and use wheezy to install debian |
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| 11:36.33 | etuardu | wols_, I'm enough experienced with linux but I'm new to debian, will installing wheezy allows me to upgrade to jessie easily? |
| 11:37.24 | Fooman2011 | Hello. I'm trying to use Wheezy with the motherboard ASRock C2550D4I but the network interface is not recognized (Intel i210 driver). Could you tell me what to do ? |
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| 11:38.22 | wols_ | etuardu: yes |
| 11:38.38 | wols_ | Fooman2011: get a backports kernel |
| 11:38.49 | wols_ | !tell Fooman2011 about backports |
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| 11:39.55 | Fooman2011 | wols_ I can't find a link to download the backport package. |
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| 11:41.47 | Fooman2011 | I have found this link https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel-image-3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64-di but there is an advertisement "use only with debian installer" |
| 11:42.39 | deepblue | how to upgrade to Debian 7.5? |
| 11:43.04 | wols_ | Fooman2011: have you read what dpkg messaged you? |
| 11:44.15 | Fooman2011 | Yes. (But my english is poor so maybe I have misunderstood something :( ) |
| 11:44.30 | wols_ | go to http://backports.org and read the instructions |
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| 11:44.50 | wols_ | or if your english is the problem, there are french debian channels |
| 11:44.52 | wols_ | !fr |
| 11:44.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:45.00 | wols_ | they know about backports too |
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| 11:45.15 | Th34rchitekt | deepblue: What version do you have atm? |
| 11:46.30 | Fooman2011 | Ok wols_ thanks for info. But my problem is I don't have internet connection because it is not recognized. So I have to download and install package manually |
| 11:47.17 | deepblue | Th34rchitekt: Wheezy 7.4 |
| 11:47.53 | wols_ | Fooman2011: what OS do you use right now? |
| 11:48.00 | Th34rchitekt | deepblue: # sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 11:48.27 | deepblue | Th34rchitekt: ok,thanx |
| 11:48.28 | Fooman2011 | Windows, it's another PC |
| 11:50.05 | wols_ | you need two packages, initramfs-tools and the kernel, and headers too if possible |
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| 11:50.59 | wols_ | Fooman2011: you can search http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ for it, e.g. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.13&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=wheezy-backports |
| 11:51.12 | wols_ | and download it too of course |
| 11:51.31 | wols_ | then after installation you install the 2-3 packages via dpkg -i |
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| 11:51.37 | Skyrider | Greetings everyone |
| 11:51.39 | dimaursu16 | guys, what is the default telnet password on debian? |
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| 11:51.45 | dimaursu16 | I'm using debian armhf image |
| 11:51.54 | Fooman2011 | Ok wols_ I'll try this thank you |
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| 11:53.27 | Th34rchitekt | dimaursu16: try # telnet admin "" |
| 11:53.51 | Th34rchitekt | *telnet>admin "" |
| 11:53.57 | Skyrider | Does anyone here happen to have an alternative to fail2ban and not related to iptables? |
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| 11:54.12 | Skyrider | And with nginx support of course :) |
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| 11:55.40 | tdn | With /etc/hosts, I can simulate a DNS A record. How can I do the same for an MX record? |
| 11:56.40 | tdn | Skyrider, what is wrong with fail2ban? |
| 11:56.49 | Skyrider | Dreamhost.. |
| 11:56.53 | Skyrider | Won't allow me to use iptable. |
| 11:57.18 | tdn | Hmm.. Without a firewall, I think you are out of luck. |
| 11:57.31 | tdn | Then you have to rely on the application itself to implement such functionality. |
| 11:57.38 | wols_ | you can use the hosts.deny mechanism |
| 11:57.44 | Skyrider | They mentioned I can install any other firewall, just cannot use iptable. |
| 11:57.53 | tdn | wols_, does nginx use tcpwrappers? |
| 11:57.55 | Skyrider | Of which plainly sucks in my opinion.. |
| 11:58.23 | tdn | Skyrider, well, iptables is the firewall in linux. What you 'install' are typically front ends to iptables. |
| 11:58.38 | wols_ | I dunno |
| 11:58.54 | Th34rchitekt | Skyrider: http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html + Webmin + LFD |
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| 11:59.08 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 11:59.08 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:59.18 | Skyrider | I'm familiar with that firewall, I use it myself on my own VPS. |
| 11:59.31 | wols_ | Skyrider: why is fail2ban not an option? |
| 11:59.48 | Skyrider | as I mentioned above.. Dreamhost won't allow anyone to alter / change / add, etc the iptables. |
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| 12:00.14 | Skyrider | fail2ban uses iptables, correct? |
| 12:00.28 | wols_ | it can use hosts.deny too afaik |
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| 12:01.04 | Skyrider | tcp wrappers? interesting. |
| 12:01.07 | Skyrider | I wasn't aware of that. |
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| 12:02.55 | basichash | I'm running Tanglu, which is a branch of debian, but apt-get isn't installed. What's the best way to install it? |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | basichash: #tanglu-devel on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:04.33 | abrotman | basichash: We do not support Tanglu here. |
| 12:05.14 | basichash | thanks |
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| 12:05.37 | Skyrider | Alrighty, thanks. I'll try to install fail2ban again with tcp this time. |
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| 12:07.19 | tdn | How do I force postfix to fallback to DNS A record instead of MX record? |
| 12:07.29 | abrotman | tdn: there's a lovely #postfix |
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| 12:07.57 | tdn | abrotman, of course. Thanks. |
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| 12:08.01 | Skyrider | Now to figure out how to use the wrappers instead. |
| 12:08.03 | Skyrider | rather than iptables. |
| 12:08.31 | kaizoku__ | when building the kernel from source, is there a way to define the kbuild version to use? Is there some environment variable for that? |
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| 12:20.18 | spyder | how to get hibernate option back? |
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| 12:22.28 | Skyrider | Gracias people. |
| 12:22.32 | Skyrider | tcp wrapper folks perfectly. |
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| 12:25.33 | SynrG | spyder: that is so lacking in enough information to be able to answer i don't know where to start ... |
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| 12:27.03 | SynrG | !tell spyder about smart questions |
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| 12:28.25 | spyder | SynrG: after updating my system the option for hibernation is gone from the gnome and even from command line |
| 12:28.36 | spyder | i was asking how to get it back |
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| 12:28.59 | SynrG | spyder: still don't have enough info. updating from what to what? |
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| 12:29.19 | abrotman | spyder: have you tried restarting your gnome shell? |
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| 12:30.16 | SynrG | were there any package removals? if so, which ones? (check your logs) |
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| 12:33.26 | spyder | SynrG: wheezy 7.4 to 7.5 |
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| 12:33.53 | SynrG | spyder: did you follow abrotman's suggestion? |
| 12:34.03 | Skyrider | IS anyone familiar with fail2ban? |
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| 12:34.09 | Skyrider | I just noticed it banned a real user. |
| 12:34.29 | SynrG | presumably you can whitelist |
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| 12:34.53 | spyder | SynrG: my system has been restarted a lot of time after the update |
| 12:35.02 | Skyrider | Not gonna whitelist tons of IP's in the future :) |
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| 12:36.55 | SynrG | Skyrider: what user behaviour led to the ban? |
| 12:37.05 | Skyrider | Need to check the logs for that. |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | Skyrider: that's how it works |
| 12:37.42 | SynrG | two options: get the user to change their behaviour, or tweak fail2ban settings to reduce incidence of false positives (but increase risk of missing legit ban, i suppose) |
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| 12:39.59 | Skyrider | I can't find any bad behavior from this IP. |
| 12:40.04 | Skyrider | Merely getting threads/images/ search. |
| 12:40.27 | Skyrider | But that's all normal |
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| 12:42.09 | abrotman | Skyrider: so adjust your fail2ban settings |
| 12:42.32 | hoxu | what's the easiest way to downscale images on-the-fly and send them as e-mail attachments? |
| 12:42.55 | hoxu | IIRC, google picasa had a feature like that, does any debian app have similar feature? |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | hoxu: you mean like imagemagick ? |
| 12:43.51 | hoxu | abrotman, I know of convert, but I mean more like a real photo manager that can also resize on the fly and e-mail |
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| 12:44.10 | abrotman | not sure about the email part, but I'd imagine things like shotwell could do that |
| 12:44.20 | abrotman | would just use imagemagick and a script to email |
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| 12:45.17 | Skyrider | maxretries is per second? |
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| 12:48.09 | basichash | Do I install GRUB to /sda or /sda1? |
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| 12:48.49 | WormFood | you install grub to /boot, and you install the grub bootloader, typically to /dev/sda |
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| 12:49.13 | WormFood | or, perhaps some different place, if you're using GPT partitioned disks. |
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| 12:50.28 | basichash | well I just reformatted my ntfs partitions to an ext4 partition, and the installer is asking me to install GRUB to either /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 |
| 12:50.34 | Skyrider | for now I'm using fail2ban to lock bots, put false to the rest. |
| 12:50.41 | Skyrider | Now to figure out how to delay the bans fail2ban is giving. |
| 12:51.35 | wols_ | basichash: you normally want to install it to sda |
| 12:54.41 | WormFood | wols_, which is what I already said :P |
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| 12:55.11 | abrotman | basichash: again, this channel doesn't support your distro, please don't make me tell you again |
| 12:55.34 | abrotman | basichash: #tanglu-devel on irc.freenode.net for Tanglu |
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| 13:58.20 | tdn | I have installed clamav and run freshclam to update definitions. It has been downloading main.cvd now for more than an hour. How long should I expect this to take? It is a 100mbit/100mbit internet connection. |
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| 13:59.16 | tdn | Debian 7 |
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| 13:59.30 | apfour | a newly installed Debian 7.5 from netinst iso does not boot; it just shows bunches of messages but no login screen :( what is a good service where I might upload a photo of the screen? |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | picpaste.com |
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| 14:05.23 | apfour | http://picpaste.com/IMG_20140503_155609-Zgsstsiu.jpg |
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| 14:06.13 | apfour | abrotman: this service looks good so far, no annoying stuff discovered |
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| 14:11.26 | abrotman | apfour: what's special about your install? that's a kernel dump |
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| 14:12.57 | aghsfd | abrotman: I am apfour. I did just a normal install from a usb-key and am trying to boot the first time |
| 14:13.30 | abrotman | no encryption or anything ? |
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| 14:13.36 | aghsfd | abrotman: no |
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| 14:14.01 | abrotman | aghsfd: and you installed Wheezy? |
| 14:14.20 | aghsfd | abrotman: yes, 7.5 |
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| 14:14.42 | nashant | Hey everyone. Does anyone have a solution to disabling gnome-screensaver? I've tried using gnome-screensaver-command --exit, but it does nothing at all |
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| 14:15.39 | nashant | I'm on testing |
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| 14:22.45 | xqo | hi |
| 14:23.08 | xqo | im trying to boot live debian off a usb stick, on a laptop that has the same debian distro installed |
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| 14:23.39 | nashant | Found it! If anyone else is interested, dconf-editor, set org.gnome.desktop.session.idle-delay to 0 |
| 14:23.40 | xqo | but whenever i boot the live USB stick, GRUB comes up and starts the debian that is not live |
| 14:23.50 | xqo | how can i get GRUB out of the way so i can reinstall debian? |
| 14:24.08 | wols_ | you set the boot order in BIOS properly |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | xqo: tell your BIOS to boot from USB first |
| 14:24.17 | xqo | but it does boot from usb! |
| 14:24.23 | wols_ | no it does not. |
| 14:24.26 | xqo | theres a boot menu, and i choose the USB drive |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | perhaps you didn't prepare it correctly |
| 14:24.46 | wols_ | then your usb stick is not prepared correctly |
| 14:24.47 | apfour | xqo: are you sure that your usb drive is bootable? |
| 14:24.52 | xqo | the USB stick has been working all day |
| 14:24.56 | xqo | until i installed GRUB |
| 14:25.08 | apfour | xqo: check on another machine whether the usb-key is bootable there |
| 14:25.10 | wols_ | how did you create your debian stick? how did you install grub? |
| 14:25.23 | xqo | the debian-installer on the usb stick installed grub |
| 14:25.52 | xqo | i dont remember how i created the debian stick. but it worked. ive booted off of it earlier today, and i installed debian on this computer using it |
| 14:26.03 | wols_ | then recreate your debian on the usb stick. maybe you installed grub wrongly to the usb stick instead of the harddisk |
| 14:26.43 | tdn | I have a debian 7 server on which I am seeing a lot of errors such as this one: named[4262]: dumping master file: tmp-Ua2wAhJeH2: open: permission denied what is the reason for this? Is it safe to ignore or is it something I should fix? If so, how? |
| 14:26.45 | xqo | when i boot Debian and went to /root, the grub folder was there |
| 14:27.19 | abrotman | tdn: are you running Bind? |
| 14:27.33 | xqo | em |
| 14:27.39 | xqo | i meant /boot |
| 14:28.11 | tdn | abrotman, yes. bind9 |
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| 14:30.23 | rom1504 | hi, does anyone knows why ovh put custom kernel instead of standard ones ? |
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| 14:30.52 | tdn | rom1504, I do not know why, but I am also affected by it - and slightly annoyed over it. |
| 14:31.10 | tdn | rom1504, I guess it is because they then know it fits their hardware, drivers, etc. |
| 14:31.23 | apfour | I just did a fresh install using debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso and unfortunately I am not able to boot into that system; instead, a kernel dump is shown. The partitions are not encrypted, it are normal ext4 (noatime) partitions. Any hints are appreciated http://picpaste.com/IMG_20140503_155609-Zgsstsiu.jpg |
| 14:31.31 | wols_ | can't you just change the ovh kernel to a debian standard one? |
| 14:32.18 | tdn | rom1504, they also run some services that they do not tell you about. For example, they run RTM on the server. |
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| 14:32.23 | HelloNikky | I think custom kernels are to be ablt to ovh access to your server |
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| 14:32.52 | HelloNikky | you can delete auth_keys file to cut the access off |
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| 14:33.19 | HelloNikky | and also delete a line at crontab, i guess |
| 14:33.35 | HelloNikky | if search in google, you'll find some info about it |
| 14:33.36 | tdn | HelloNikky, why would they access the server? |
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| 14:35.18 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have enabled public_html in the home directories. I can see the listing in the browser. I know I have php5 installed and working (I have phpmyadmin installed). But when I try to run the info.php 3-liner, I get just a white page. What am I doing wrong ? |
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| 14:36.00 | rom1504 | wols_: yeah it's possible, but last time I tried the server crashed for no reason, so I'm not sure I should try again (it was on a different ovh server though) |
| 14:36.05 | abrotman | Night_Elf: try with curl or wget |
| 14:36.23 | rom1504 | I mean it booted and all then like 1h after it just crashed |
| 14:36.45 | rom1504 | tdn: what's RTM ? |
| 14:36.51 | apfour | rom1504: read the manual |
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| 14:37.31 | rom1504 | ok, then explain this "For example, they run RTM on the server." |
| 14:37.39 | Night_Elf | abrotman: With curl I get on the screen the content, the 3 lines, of the info.php |
| 14:37.42 | Skyrider | meh.. Baidu spiders are annoying.. |
| 14:37.51 | Skyrider | Rather than using a couple.. they use 90+ |
| 14:37.55 | abrotman | Night_Elf: sounds like PHP isn't enabled, perhaps check your apache logs |
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| 14:38.07 | rom1504 | http://help.ovh.co.uk/RealTimeMonitoring |
| 14:38.40 | Night_Elf | abrotman: It is impossible. The same file, when placed at /var/www works. When in /home/user/public_html it does not. |
| 14:39.12 | tdn | rom1504, yes, that is it. |
| 14:39.23 | abrotman | Night_Elf: oh .. it's the apache config .. uhm, the Directives IIRC |
| 14:39.25 | rom1504 | tdn: the problem with their kernel it's that it's not modular so not possible to run VM... |
| 14:39.37 | tdn | abrotman, you think the bind error is safe to ignore? |
| 14:39.49 | Night_Elf | abrotman: I will check then. |
| 14:40.00 | tdn | rom1504, what server do you have? Kimsufi? |
| 14:40.04 | tdn | rom1504, or a bigger one? |
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| 14:40.38 | rom1504 | kimsufi with 16GB of memory, I don't remember the exact name |
| 14:40.42 | rom1504 | one of the new ones |
| 14:41.04 | tdn | rom1504, OK. I don't think you will be able to run VMs on those. You only have one IP address anyway. |
| 14:41.53 | rom1504 | I don't need more than one IP |
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| 14:42.04 | tdn | rom1504, you do not need network for your VM? |
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| 14:42.43 | abrotman | tdn: I have no idea what your bind config is |
| 14:42.59 | rom1504 | it's possible to do network without having two public ip |
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| 14:43.20 | rom1504 | I just need to be able to access it from the host that's all I need |
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| 14:43.58 | rom1504 | doing something like that http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?5616-Standard-Kernels-with-Ubuntu-Debian work for changing the kernel |
| 14:44.15 | rom1504 | providing there's not something wrong with standard kernel and ovh hardware |
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| 14:46.47 | Evidlo | does the sysv-systemd package provide journalctl? |
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| 14:48.09 | tdn | abrotman, it only provides local dns. I am just interested in knowing if that error is a known "safe" one that I can ignore? |
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| 14:49.24 | abrotman | tdn: What is the error again? |
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| 14:49.38 | abrotman | tdn: perhaps use paste.debian.net |
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| 14:50.52 | tdn | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/97212/ |
| 14:50.56 | tdn | abrotman, I see lots of those. |
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| 14:52.30 | tdn | I found something that said that it could be appamour preventing bind to write |
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| 14:52.45 | tdn | abrotman, but I do not think there is any appamour on this server except what might be enabled by default? |
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| 14:54.14 | abrotman | maybe it's a file permission problem |
| 14:54.29 | blink_ | hi, i am encountering an issue where xbmc starts up with no sound and freezes on playback; but works fine after restarting. similar issue with mpd. are they competing for the audio device? is it exclusive? |
| 14:54.59 | tdn | abrotman, yeah it seems like it. However, all is default, so I do not see why there would be one. |
| 14:55.17 | tdn | Have to leave. Will have to look at it later. |
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| 15:07.34 | Night_Elf | abrotman: I found what was wrong with php in public_html. There was a section in mods-enabled/php5.conf about: <Directory /home/*/public_html> and in it there was the line "php_admin_value engine Off". By commenting that Directory section, now the php scripts do run. |
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| 15:11.29 | abrotman | Night_Elf: weird defualt, but okay |
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| 15:19.00 | thedeeno1 | When trying to install libmagickwand-dev I'm getting an error: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libr/librsve/librsvg2-def_2.40.2-1_amd64.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection. |
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| 15:19.22 | thedeeno1 | I thought maybe it was a mirror issue, but i had it both last night and this morning |
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| 15:23.08 | NickyP | i have testing installed jessie alpha 1. I am not familiar with xfce. Is there a reference howto to start without a logon dialog? Have done it with gnome before.. |
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| 15:24.16 | skribblezatcha | do you mean how to login using tty NickyP? |
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| 15:24.58 | NickyP | logon with out the dialog directly to the userspace |
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| 15:25.40 | skribblezatcha | ok, well are you prompted for a username and password anywhere NickyP? |
| 15:25.44 | thedeeno1 | hmm, just tried the uk mirror and it worked. How do I report an issue to the us mirror maintainers? |
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| 15:26.14 | skribblezatcha | if so, login using your username and password, once you see the tty go to its next spot, enter: startxfce4 |
| 15:26.25 | skribblezatcha | that should get you in to the gui. |
| 15:26.35 | NickyP | it does |
| 15:26.43 | NickyP | that all works |
| 15:26.54 | skribblezatcha | ok cool, isnt that what you were wondering about? |
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| 15:27.33 | NickyP | I want to logon w/o entering that info |
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| 15:28.19 | skribblezatcha | o ok, well even if you had a legit login screen such as lightdm or mdm or something NickyP, its going to ask for your username and password. |
| 15:28.40 | NickyP | on gnome I can edit gdm conf for auto login |
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| 15:29.29 | skribblezatcha | you can try, but NickyP, you should really get used to entering your username and password because once you get used to it..it becomes second nature. |
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| 15:29.44 | skribblezatcha | its for security purposes so you should just leave that as is. |
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| 15:30.10 | NickyP | I need to do some time scheduled automation |
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| 15:30.25 | NickyP | in a VBox vm |
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| 15:30.33 | skribblezatcha | why? |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | NickyP: look for a DM that allows autologin, like gdm3 |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | NickyP: or start X directly, perhaps look at instructions for kiosk-mode |
| 15:31.20 | NickyP | kk |
| 15:31.49 | skribblezatcha | http://www.fedorasolved.org/Members/Dp67/custom-gdm-configuration-for-auto-and-timed-login |
| 15:32.11 | skribblezatcha | NickyP: check out that link there and see if that is something like what you are looking to do. |
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| 15:32.16 | basichash | I can't change the python alias to python3, added it to end of .bashrc, still using py 2.7 |
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| 15:32.47 | abrotman | basichash: I've told you three times now, we do not support your distro, please use the correct channel. |
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| 15:33.09 | NickyP | ill look ar howto convert to gdm3 |
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| 15:35.44 | skribblezatcha | okie dokes NickyP.:) |
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| 15:37.13 | NickyP | yes thanks the why is I develop an app and have nightly compiles across linux win and osx |
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| 15:38.07 | skribblezatcha | o ok, i see..are the compiles timed or something, i mean why do you have to autologin to do that. just makes it easier for you? |
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| 15:38.52 | NickyP | it is all unattended using scripts and cron jobs |
| 15:39.35 | skribblezatcha | o ok, i see. |
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| 15:43.21 | rom1504 | tdn: just for info, I just switched to a standard debian kernel, and was able to install virtualbox without problem |
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| 16:13.10 | octocpp | What is the best package manager to use besides dpkg ? |
| 16:14.36 | somiaj | octocpp: what kinda of question is that? on debian dpkg is the only package manager that is actually installing/removing packages. apt (both apt-get and aptitude) are smart front ends to dpkg that understand were to download packages and figure out dependecies for you. |
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| 16:15.08 | somiaj | there are some gui's to like synamptic but again in the end they use dpkg to do the actually isntalling/removing of packages |
| 16:15.49 | Damien | what? |
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| 16:16.36 | octocpp | somiaj: sorry, I miss typed. aptitude was the one I was thinking of, as opposed to apt-get. |
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| 16:17.10 | somiaj | octocpp: yea both of those are considered important on debian, each one has its advantanges (and disavantages). |
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| 16:17.33 | octocpp | somiaj: I remembered someone in the past telling me to use a certain one that was considered the best or safest, and it was aptitude they mentioned. |
| 16:17.36 | somiaj | octocpp: they even use teh same database, so a big difference is the logic they use to resolve dependcies. |
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| 16:18.13 | octocpp | somiaj: does dpkg resolve deps too? |
| 16:18.16 | somiaj | octocpp: when in stable use the one you like better. When upgrading from one release to another use the one mentioned int he release notes (usually apt-get does a better job at those upgrades, but there have been a few aptitude did a better job and was the suggested on to use) |
| 16:18.37 | somiaj | octocpp: no, dpkg is the core package manager, it installs/removes/checks deps. It doesn't actually reoslve or know where to find .debs online |
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| 16:18.51 | octocpp | got it, thanks |
| 16:19.19 | somiaj | octocpp: that is what apt is for (either apt-get or aptitude) they figure out depds for you, download them and the likes. But they can also be dangerous if you have a contaminated sources.list file |
| 16:19.27 | somiaj | (i.e. you have mixed versions/non debian repos) |
| 16:19.55 | octocpp | ahh |
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| 16:21.24 | zykotick9 | somiaj: there is a new "apt" frontend (i believe) |
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| 16:22.03 | yottanami | How can I check the bandwidth usage of a specific time ? and specific connection ? for example bandwidth of today on a wireless connection? |
| 16:22.15 | somiaj | zykotick9: I did read about that, I wasn't sure if it was new, or they were just trying to combine the functionality of apt-get, apt-cache, etc into a single command. I got the feeling it was just a wrapper |
| 16:22.50 | somiaj | yottanami: you would need some network monintoring tool running to log/collect that data. The only one I have messed with is 'iptraf' |
| 16:23.01 | zykotick9 | somiaj: ya, i don't know the details, just saw people asking about it, and other's being initially impressed |
| 16:23.27 | zykotick9 | colour output, or something? |
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| 16:24.37 | somiaj | zykotick9: I never looked at the output, but when I saw it mentioned I found a dev blog on it |
| 16:25.07 | somiaj | zykotick9: http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ |
| 16:25.14 | yottanami | somiaj: Can iptraf helps if I want to check the usage of a specific time period ? like one week |
| 16:25.38 | somiaj | yottanami: I belive it would log the info, but unless it is running and logging the info it won't keep track |
| 16:25.58 | somiaj | yottanami: I ahvent' used it much, but yes you will need some tool like iptraf (there are other tools, not sure if there is one more specific to your task) to log the info |
| 16:26.00 | zykotick9 | somiaj: thanks, but i'm a _stable_ guy, so probably won't have to worry about it for a while ;) i'll give the link a glance however, i am slightly interested |
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| 16:26.20 | somiaj | you could then parse the weeks of logs to get total usage and braeks downs over the week |
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| 16:28.09 | Zzeiss | Here's a Debian Jessie (testing) issue: if I have icons on homescreen turned on, the background is just white. Turn off all the icons, and the homescreen background comes back. This is new bad behavior since Wheezy (stable). |
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| 16:28.53 | Zzeiss | ... I'd put it in the bugtracker, but it's returning a "server internal error" to me right now. |
| 16:29.09 | somiaj | Zzeiss: how are you setting your background? |
| 16:29.20 | zykotick9 | Zzeiss: for future reference, you might be interested in the #debian-next channel on OFTC... that's where testing/sid is "officially" support, but i believe asking here is also appropriate... best of luck. |
| 16:29.55 | somiaj | it sounds like to me when you have 'icons turned on' you have nautlius (or some file manager) setting the desktop background and need to configure it to have an image |
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| 16:30.20 | somiaj | when you turn off the icons nautilus is no longer setting the background (since you turned that feature off) and you are seeing the root window behind that |
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| 16:30.44 | Zzeiss | somiaj: I am setting it via tweak-tool. But let me look into Nautilus. ... Thanks! |
| 16:32.19 | Zzeiss | somiaj: Yeah.... but I'm not seeing how to set the background in Nautilus. :-( |
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| 16:32.31 | Zzeiss | somiaj: time for a Testing bug report... |
| 16:32.38 | somiaj | Zzeiss: wallpapers are set in two ways I know of. One is set the image of the root window background (this is what most applications that set the wallpaper will do). The problem is nautilus will actually run on top of the root window (this is how it puts icons on the background) and thus you have to set the wall paper though that |
| 16:32.50 | somiaj | since I don't know gnome that well I can't say more than that |
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| 16:34.32 | DomaMuffin | Does anyone have expirience with permanently R/W mounted NTFS partitions? I keep readimg "you'll have write problems" stories , from people that haven't had any 1st hand expirience with those problems. I have a windows system filled with data that i can't convert because of lack of space to temp move said data. I'm thinking of just leaving MTFS partitions be. |
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| 16:36.23 | somiaj | DomaMuffin: depends, the default ntfs driver in the kernel still doesn't do writes correctly (afaik) but there is a new ntfs driver that uses the fuse system that everythign i have heard it works just fine (and I have used to it write to partitions when helping people but I have little experience with it) |
| 16:36.33 | somiaj | DomaMuffin: in debian you have to install an additional package 'ntfs-3g' |
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| 16:36.59 | wols_ | DomaMuffin: I had problems before that a disk suddenly couldn't be written anymore. the driver basically stopped since it wasn't sure it wouldn't break my NTFS, so it went read only for safety reasons |
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| 16:37.11 | wols_ | DomaMuffin: similarly ext2/3 under windows. |
| 16:37.32 | wols_ | somiaj: I had problems with ntfs-3g too |
| 16:37.44 | DomaMuffin | Thanks, both. |
| 16:37.53 | somiaj | wols_: ahh I have only used ntfs-3g from live systems to write one or two files (so never any long term testing) |
| 16:37.56 | wols_ | so far I haven't lost any data due to them |
| 16:38.08 | somiaj | but until now everything I have heard says ntfs-3g does writes okay |
| 16:38.12 | wols_ | somiaj: not long term, but for e.g. backups and the like |
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| 16:38.43 | wols_ | it does fairly ok, as I said: no data lost. but it's not working as well as ext4 on linux or ntfs on windows |
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| 16:38.45 | DomaMuffin | wols: even if i lost the data it wouldn't be much damage ( i haz backups) :) I'll try and hope for best, failsafe behaviour you described looks good |
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| 16:39.08 | wols_ | DomaMuffin: it is however very slow due to being a FUSE FS |
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| 16:39.57 | DomaMuffin | wols: performance doesn't oncern me much, i just need it to work till i can get a temp drive to rearrange partition layout/FS's ( might be months) :) |
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| 16:59.45 | cukfiv | what is a good irc client server you would advice? (a service that runs on a server as an IRC client and stays connected on freenode and oftc and lets me connect from my personal computer when I want to)? |
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| 17:00.51 | zykotick9 | cukfiv: irssi running in tmux or screen... is one option. |
| 17:01.50 | qman__ | cukfiv: quassel |
| 17:02.10 | wols_ | cukfiv: pretty everyone uses what zykotick9 suggested |
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| 17:02.28 | wols_ | cukfiv: and if you want a GUI client, irssi can act as a irc proxy too |
| 17:02.56 | ylt | personally use znc, works great |
| 17:03.14 | cukfiv | zykotick9, wols_: sounds good, I am using irssi on my pc directly at the moment |
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| 17:05.28 | cukfiv | wols_, zykotick9: what are Debian user doing who also want to use it on their android phones? The same in in a terminal on a custom ROM? |
| 17:05.29 | okee | How do I bring up the drive directory structure? Previously I had a folder on the desktop that i referenced, but now the folder only bring up the current linux drive, instead of other drives on my computer. Except for switching out an ethernet card, I don't recall doing any changes to the system. |
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| 17:05.48 | poeticrpm | are there any packages I should avoid upgrading via chroot? Running debian testing |
| 17:05.59 | poeticrpm | I use aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:07.58 | cukfiv | poeticrpm: in regard to what are you about to avoid upgrading certain packages? |
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| 17:10.08 | poeticrpm | cukfiv: I have really avoided anything yet, but as per https://wiki.debian.org/chroot, it mentions several packages wont install correctly unless ischroot is used |
| 17:10.41 | okee | Nevermind, I fixed the problem. I just needed to set the "tree" option. |
| 17:10.54 | poeticrpm | im working on getting familiar with ischroot- I have always just updated from a normal chroot with /dev /sys and /proc bound (and a cp of /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 17:12.36 | tdn | rom1504, ok, nice to hear |
| 17:12.46 | tdn | rom1504, did you get rid of rtm as well? |
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| 17:14.20 | cukfiv | poeticrpm: the bug report of this problem is from 2k12. If package upgrades are affected by this, the old versions might be, too |
| 17:14.28 | rom1504 | tdn: no I didn't try, why do you want to get rid of it ? |
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| 17:16.06 | JZA | hi a friend want to put debian on his macbookpro |
| 17:16.26 | JZA | first question, is which debian, my guess is 64bit debian, but I could be wrong. |
| 17:16.42 | poeticrpm | cukfiv, thanks |
| 17:16.48 | JZA | is a macbook pro mid 2012 (9.2) |
| 17:16.52 | poeticrpm | JZA, depends on the macbook |
| 17:17.04 | poeticrpm | oh, yeah x86_64 should work |
| 17:17.05 | JZA | I read the wikipages but doesnt really say which iso to download |
| 17:17.09 | JZA | ok |
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| 17:17.27 | poeticrpm | just grab the 64bit of your choice (stable or testing) |
| 17:17.33 | JZA | poeticrpm: thanks |
| 17:17.36 | rom1504 | why put debian on a desktop ?? |
| 17:17.55 | poeticrpm | rom1504, because it kicks a*s? |
| 17:17.57 | somiaj | JZA: the code name fo x86_64 is amd64, so download the amd64 images |
| 17:18.10 | poeticrpm | somiaj, good catch |
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| 17:18.33 | rom1504 | well last time I tried there were just so many things missing, just use ubuntu.. |
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| 17:19.46 | poeticrpm | rom1504, Ubuntu has a user-invasive company hosting it, its non LTS releases have sh!t for update support (6 months), and its a fixed release cycle. Its also bloated and slow |
| 17:19.56 | poeticrpm | I say this as someone who liked Ubuntu for years |
| 17:20.26 | rom1504 | bloated and slow ? really ? |
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| 17:20.46 | rom1504 | you know you can apt-get remove whatever you like right ? |
| 17:21.01 | poeticrpm | rom1504, yes, especially Ubuntu-Ubuntu. Xubuntu isnt as bad, Kubuntu is just about as bad |
| 17:21.10 | zykotick9 | rom1504: poeticrpm feel free to move that conversation to #debian-offtopic, or /dev/null, but let's not debate ubuntu in #d |
| 17:21.19 | poeticrpm | rom1504, no, not exactly. Thats another problem |
| 17:21.23 | poeticrpm | zykotick9, roger |
| 17:21.24 | rom1504 | I'm using kubuntu and it works fine |
| 17:21.41 | rom1504 | debian well, don't expect to use your graphic card |
| 17:21.49 | rom1504 | or even your audio card |
| 17:21.57 | zykotick9 | rom1504: don't spead FUD |
| 17:21.58 | wols_ | !tell rom1504 about ot |
| 17:22.02 | poeticrpm | both work fine for me |
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| 17:25.01 | esaym153 | is there something I can add to a bash script to make it exit after 1 minute? (to prevent it from hanging so to speak) |
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| 17:25.22 | esaym153 | I know I can just call it with the timeout --signal command |
| 17:25.52 | sysvalve | esaym153: is not enough? |
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| 17:27.27 | somiaj | esaym153: maybe #bash, but I don't think bash scripts keep track of time, so if it hangs on a command it runs, it will just wait for the commands to finish. Why not include timeouts in the commands the bash script runs that could 'take to long' |
| 17:28.29 | esaym153 | too many bash scripts to modify. I either need to just prefix their calling with 'timeout' or find a one liner that I can paste into the script... |
| 17:28.32 | centrx | What's wrong with timeout |
| 17:29.23 | esaym153 | centrx: muddy up all the cronjob lines I guess ;0 |
| 17:29.35 | somiaj | esaym153: or just make a set of launcher sctipts that each call teh real bashscript with timeout |
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| 17:30.01 | FaTony | I have libstdc++ 4.8 and 4.9 installed, how to make 4.9 the default one? |
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| 17:30.42 | centrx | FaTony, Doesn't the program choose which library it uses? |
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| 17:30.50 | somiaj | esaym153: for i in scripts; do mv $i $i.real; echo -e "#!/bin/bash\ntimeout [options] $i.real" > $i; chmod +x $i; done -- something like that |
| 17:31.21 | somiaj | esaym153: though my suggestion is till fix the scripts. (: |
| 17:31.53 | FaTony | centrx, I need path to headers be changed |
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| 17:32.47 | th0m | hello! I recompiled my kernel some months back to enable crypto support, seems i missed nat iptables support, i will have to recompile and reboot in order to add it? |
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| 17:33.21 | centrx | th0m, Yes, unless you happened to compile it as a module that you could modprobe |
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| 17:33.43 | th0m | it said not found when i tried with modprobe :\ |
| 17:33.55 | th0m | guess i will have to schedule some maintenance |
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| 17:36.05 | wols_ | no need to reboot. you just compile the modules again and then modprobe it |
| 17:37.30 | th0m | yeah? no need? i would like that |
| 17:38.36 | wols_ | as long as your kernel can load modules, normally works. iptables modules aren't that critical |
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| 17:39.55 | linuxguy101 | does anyone know a gui program that will allow you to set the cpu speed/ |
| 17:39.57 | linuxguy101 | ? |
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| 17:43.22 | wols_ | linuxguy101: many mainboard makers have tools for it. AMD has AMD overdrive. but you do not want to use these, use the BIOS instead |
| 17:43.40 | wols_ | linuxguy101: and of course all of them are windows only :) |
| 17:44.23 | th0m | i will give it a shot and see |
| 17:45.49 | linuxguy101 | wols_ my quad core boots up and the cpu is set for scaling |
| 17:46.23 | linuxguy101 | at 800 mz really annoying for a desktop to have the cpu set for scaling |
| 17:46.29 | somiaj | linuxguy101: does it scale up when you actually start using the core to full speed? It is a power saving mode |
| 17:47.05 | linuxguy101 | somiaj, i can debate the power saving aspect of this |
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| 17:47.25 | linuxguy101 | power saving = time wasting |
| 17:47.26 | wols_ | linuxguy101: you can disable cpu scaling in windows |
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| 17:47.50 | wols_ | no power saving is power saving and a good thing. as soon as you need the power it will scale up to 3GHz or whatever |
| 17:48.02 | linuxguy101 | i totally disagree |
| 17:48.02 | wols_ | unless you don't pay for your own electricity |
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| 17:48.24 | somiaj | anyways many bios have the option (at least mine) to turn the power saving stuff foff |
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| 17:48.35 | somiaj | my cpus jump up to speed quick enough I don't notice it |
| 17:48.58 | somiaj | I have a preformance mode or not that keeps everything at full speed in the menus somewhere. |
| 17:49.02 | linuxguy101 | i know some admins at some major server centers and they all agree that the scaling mode saves 0 power and it actually increases power draw |
| 17:49.04 | somiaj | or something similar |
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| 17:49.10 | LrdArc | hello, can I modify visudo to enable command "apt-get install" without using sudo for non-root user? |
| 17:49.15 | linuxguy101 | for laptops it is good |
| 17:49.21 | linuxguy101 | server farms it is a disaster |
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| 17:50.03 | linuxguy101 | i think this option should be user selectable in the power manager |
| 17:50.05 | somiaj | linuxguy101: I use a desktop, I can see if it is constnatlly jumping up and down not what it is designed for |
| 17:50.07 | wols_ | pset your cpu governor to "performance" and scaling is disabled |
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| 17:50.35 | wols_ | linuxguy101: it is user manageable. and your servers have no GUI where you can set it |
| 17:50.37 | linuxguy101 | somiaj, when you do video work you want that set on high, not bouncing around |
| 17:50.46 | wols_ | echo governor | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor >/dev/null |
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| 17:51.09 | wols_ | when you do videowork and actually use your CPU it is at 100% |
| 17:51.32 | linuxguy101 | wols_ not always.. it still bounces around |
| 17:51.40 | somiaj | linuxguy101: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling -- It is a kernel setting, seems the package cpufrequtils has some things to modify it from userland, but I would suggest a bios setting if you ahve one |
| 17:53.02 | th0m | wols_ can i query you? |
| 17:53.09 | linuxguy101 | Somefellow, thanks.. |
| 17:53.21 | linuxguy101 | sorry bad tabfill |
| 17:53.28 | linuxguy101 | somiaj, thanks |
| 17:53.29 | wols_ | why? anything special that can't be public? |
| 17:54.10 | wols_ | doing support in a public channel is good for you and me, but especially you. so I can't do anything bad which you might not recognize on your system |
| 17:54.45 | th0m | well, im trying to figure out how to do this, compile a new kernel module |
| 17:55.05 | th0m | i found some guide through google, but im not sure its what im looking for |
| 17:55.13 | th0m | dont wanna brick nothing |
| 17:55.20 | peterS | argh. why do so many web sites lie to me and say that an email address with + in it is not valid? |
| 17:55.22 | wols_ | you compiled a kernel .deb? do it again with the module now included, and then simply install it. |
| 17:55.33 | wols_ | !tell th0m about kernel handbook |
| 17:55.39 | peterS | I guess website designers tend to not read RFC 821? |
| 17:55.55 | wols_ | peterS: but they have regexes :) |
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| 18:03.37 | th0m | getting into my /usr/src/kernel and make menuconfig, im on the right track here yea? ttrying to locate iptable_nat in there |
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| 18:08.20 | wols_ | that is something you always need to do, yes |
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| 18:11.31 | th0m | looks like im recompiling the whole kernel now |
| 18:14.17 | wols_ | if you simple run make modules that would work too but then you work outside the packaging system and you will then need to copy the new modules manually |
| 18:14.21 | wols_ | to the right place |
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| 18:15.41 | th0m | what about a make install? wouldnt that move the files to where i need them? |
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| 18:16.53 | wols_ | there is a make modules_install I think |
| 18:16.54 | centrx | th0m, If you're not familiar with compiling the kernel, just use the pre-built binary packages |
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| 18:19.16 | th0m | im familiar with it.. it was just a long time ago |
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| 18:21.47 | somiaj | the debian kernels don't have iptables_nat configured? |
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| 18:22.16 | wols_ | somiaj: he did a custom kernel and made a small mistake |
| 18:22.22 | wols_ | left out a needed module |
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| 18:22.47 | somiaj | wols_: ahh |
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| 18:24.22 | th0m | i did make modules_install, if it worked, i should get something when i lsmod right? |
| 18:24.25 | th0m | its totally empty in there atm |
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| 18:24.49 | wols_ | depmod -a first |
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| 18:25.12 | wols_ | and no, the new modules aren't loaded automatically just because |
| 18:25.12 | bodeezl | lol |
| 18:25.24 | dr0 | hello, english right? |
| 18:25.29 | th0m | still blank |
| 18:25.47 | th0m | hmm |
| 18:26.02 | dr0 | Can someone help me fix this issue? http://pastebin.com/1dk0avX0 |
| 18:26.13 | dr0 | ae?? doesnt seem to work :P |
| 18:26.57 | wols_ | dr0: dpkg -l locales |tail -1 |
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| 18:27.48 | dr0 | wols_: http://sprunge.us/TDIU |
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| 18:30.45 | dr0 | hmm? |
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| 18:33.19 | wols_ | dr0: you have removed locales and what to configure it? obviously that cannot work. reinstall it |
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| 18:34.05 | somiaj | dr0: dpkg-reconfigure locales (make sure you select the correct ones to be generated, most likely you don't have the en_GB locales generated |
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| 18:34.40 | somiaj | duh sorry didn't read the command ran, yea I haven't seen that before |
| 18:34.47 | wols_ | somiaj: that is the command that didn't work. obviously since locales isn't installed anymore. note how I pointedly didn't ask why it was removed |
| 18:35.16 | somiaj | wols_: yea I just didn't notice he was trying to reconfigure locales, I just saw the errors. :/ |
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| 18:36.07 | dr0 | somiaj: somehow i cant get i to work http://sprunge.us/TieE |
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| 18:36.28 | wols_ | dr0: you have removed the locales package. reinstall it to make it work |
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| 18:39.04 | WormFood | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html <-- this page referrers to the 'dquilt' command, but I can't seem to find it in any packages. Is this page out of date, or am I missing something? |
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| 18:40.12 | dr0 | wols_: How can I reinstall it? debconf? |
| 18:40.13 | somiaj | WormFood: I think it is in dev-scripts |
| 18:40.26 | somiaj | dr0: apt-get install locales (the warnings shouldn't keep it from isntalling) |
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| 18:40.43 | centrx | WormFood, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html#quiltrc |
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| 18:41.11 | dr0 | aha! :) |
| 18:41.35 | WormFood | thanks centrx...my google searches turned up nothing...I should have known it was an alias |
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| 18:49.46 | th0m | i did run the make menuconfig, enabled NAT, make saw it compile iptable_nat, make install and rebooted, shouldnt that be it? |
| 18:50.24 | wols_ | not necessarily. how about modprobing it? and didn't I tell you you shouldn't need to reboot? |
| 18:50.48 | wols_ | last but not least, make install is an awful way to install a kernel, and on debian a totally wrong one. |
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| 18:51.10 | wols_ | th0m: uname -a;ls -l /lib/modules |
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| 18:53.06 | th0m | root /lib/modules/3.8.8-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 # uname -a;ls -l /lib/modules |
| 18:53.08 | th0m | Linux mf.ring0.se 3.8.8-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Sat Apr 20 02:18:15 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:53.08 | th0m | total 4 |
| 18:53.08 | th0m | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 3 20:49 3.8.8-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 |
| 18:53.08 | th0m | root /lib/modules/3.8.8-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 # |
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| 19:03.58 | th0m | the modules are all listed in modules.builtin, i cant find a single .ko file on disk |
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| 19:06.42 | wols_ | find /lib/modules -name *.ko |
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| 19:07.52 | th0m | 0 |
| 19:08.02 | th0m | but the nat stuff seems to be in modules.builtin |
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| 19:08.18 | hrnekbezucha | hi guys |
| 19:08.34 | wols_ | does /proc/kconfig.gz exist? |
| 19:09.47 | th0m | nope.. |
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| 19:10.31 | wols_ | th0m: then my parting words are: please use a debian kernel or ask someone who gave you this kernel or kernel config, since you didn't configure it |
| 19:11.27 | th0m | didnt i configure it with make menuconfig? |
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| 19:12.04 | wols_ | I kinda doubt you made the -xxxx-std-ipv6-64 kernel |
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| 19:17.05 | hrnekbezucha | I'm into glitchart and I'd like to make a script which'd edit few(random) bytes in some image file. |
| 19:17.37 | hrnekbezucha | I've seen somethin like that in py3 but not quite sure. I don't even know it well |
| 19:17.57 | hrnekbezucha | till now I've done it in hexedit |
| 19:18.46 | hrnekbezucha | and having some script where you'd put parms and it'd do something would be great and I suppose not that complicated |
| 19:18.59 | hrnekbezucha | I just kind of don't know where/how start |
| 19:19.11 | hrnekbezucha | so.. I appriciate any help |
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| 19:21.09 | wols_ | hrnekbezucha: in a python tutorial. you simply read in the file, edit the locations you need to change and write it back. not too hard to do |
| 19:21.23 | wols_ | hrnekbezucha: have you programmed before in any programming language? |
| 19:22.24 | hrnekbezucha | I did some simple pieces in python3 and shell. but nothing complicated. this can be way to finally learn something as well |
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| 19:25.37 | hrnekbezucha | I was looking for some scriptable hexeditors but it doesn't seem nesessary when I can handle it via py3 |
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| 19:25.58 | wols_ | hrnekbezucha: then you should have a basic grasp. do you know what an array is? that's what you read the file in. inside you can change byte at location y like you do in a hexeditor and then write it out again |
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| 19:26.53 | klrr_ | what versoin of linux does stable, testing and sid use? |
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| 19:28.27 | hrnekbezucha | wols_: very nice, thanks for hint |
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| 19:30.47 | wols_ | ,kernels |
| 19:30.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-trunk-686-pae (3.14.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.2-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze5) |
| 19:30.50 | wols_ | klrr_: see above |
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| 19:32.16 | klrr_ | thanks |
| 19:32.31 | klrr_ | so there's no easy way of running sid with 3.2? |
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| 19:34.29 | centrx | klrr_, It might work fine |
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| 19:34.48 | klrr_ | would i use the 3.2 for wheezy then? |
| 19:34.51 | centrx | klrr_, though why run sid if you are going to insist on an old kernel |
| 19:34.58 | centrx | klrr_, 3.2 comes with wheezy |
| 19:35.11 | ectospasm | I have an AT&T microcell which I'd like to give QoS on my Debian wheezy router/firewall. I know I don't have much hope once the traffic gets beyond my network, but I want to be sure that I don't interfere with voice calls if I can avoid it. I have begun to use SpiderOak, and I expect to be uploading a lot of data for the foreseeable future. I can (and I think I have) limited the upload traffic in |
| 19:35.13 | ectospasm | SpiderOak. I'd like to give priority to all the packets coming out of the microcell. I'm wondering if I can tell the router to prioritize everything coming out of the microcell's MAC address, all the QoS tutorials I find on Debian are about categorization of packets. |
| 19:35.16 | klrr_ | oh, i thought 3.2 was newer than 3.1x |
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| 19:35.22 | somiaj | klrr_: you can get 3.13 (and soon 3.14) from wheezy-backports in stable if all you ened is a newer kernel |
| 19:35.40 | centrx | klrr_, No, it is numbered 1..infinity between the dots x.y.z |
| 19:35.41 | somiaj | klrr_: no the linux number system changed, 3.X where X is the version number |
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| 19:35.58 | somiaj | (I guess the third dot is just patches/fixes/driver additions in older kernels |
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| 19:36.04 | klrr_ | oh thanks |
| 19:36.40 | klrr_ | only problem is the hardware i have wont have 3d on 3.12 and above unfourntally, but i still want latest packages :P |
| 19:36.47 | klrr_ | maybe i have to find some other way |
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| 19:39.58 | klrr_ | ,kernels |
| 19:39.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.14-trunk-686-pae (3.14.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.2-1); jessie: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.10-1); wheezy-backports: 3.13-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.13.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze5) |
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| 19:44.49 | ted20 | Hi, nobody uses gogoc? |
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| 19:51.40 | klrr__ | how do i disable grub screen ? (so it boots directly isntead of waiting two seconds, i dont want to set 0 wait time i dont want it to spend time loading the text gui at all) |
| 19:52.54 | klrr__ | nvm |
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| 20:01.45 | crickett | did the new debian update come with any hardware updates? |
| 20:02.08 | crickett | for wifi cards? |
| 20:02.15 | wols_ | afaik no |
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| 20:02.23 | wols_ | same kernel version |
| 20:02.50 | crickett | dang |
| 20:03.05 | somiaj | crickett: some intel cards were added in the e2000 module I belive |
| 20:03.08 | somiaj | but that is it |
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| 20:03.34 | wols_ | somiaj: i210 family? |
| 20:03.52 | somiaj | wols_: that sounds correct |
| 20:03.58 | somiaj | I was looking for the message about it |
| 20:03.59 | wols_ | nice |
| 20:04.11 | crickett | so no RTL8188E? |
| 20:04.32 | spyder | how to make a three finger tap emulate the middle mouse button click |
| 20:04.42 | wols_ | crickett: why not use a backports kernel? |
| 20:04.44 | saivert | three finger salute? |
| 20:05.04 | crickett | trying to avoid going back and forth on OS's |
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| 20:05.40 | somiaj | spyder: there is an old xorg setting that had clicking both left and right as the same time being the middle mouse button, but I don't recall an option for that |
| 20:05.53 | crickett | and dont have access to cat5 cable |
| 20:06.11 | spyder | somiaj: ok |
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| 20:06.13 | crickett | can only use wifi at the moment |
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| 20:06.32 | crickett | until i get back stateside |
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| 20:09.41 | somiaj | spyder: http://paste.debian.net/97281/ -- If you ahve two mouse buttons and you want that feature just put that in a file like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-mouse.conf |
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| 20:10.31 | spyder | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 20:10.34 | crickett | used debian a few years ago on my old computer and wanted to go back but when i tried last time a month or so ago didnt have the firmware for my wifi card |
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| 20:12.10 | crickett | but i might just cut my lazyiness and do it lol |
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| 20:12.59 | wols_ | !firmware image |
| 20:12.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 20:21.35 | tobiasBora | I would like to build a generic Makefile which find all files of ext .ext except one file (the main file project) in order to put it at the end of the lien (for dependencies questions). |
| 20:21.45 | tobiasBora | What is the best way to do that ? |
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| 20:45.02 | rvdv | anyone have an idea of how to change the background in gnome-shell ? ... it now only changes for the screen which I see when moving the mouse in the upper left corner ... going back to the main desktop keeps the same (boring) watery gnome foot |
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| 20:47.47 | kopfwackler | Hi folks. Is there a secure way to give an otherwise unpriviledged user the right to upgrade and if necessary reboot the system without giving him the possibility to un/install packages and do other things at will? |
| 20:48.11 | somiaj | you can configure sudo to allow only exact commands to be run |
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| 20:48.59 | ectospasm | trying the KDE thing in wheezy, and using konsole. I'd like to Ctrl-click on links to open them, but neither that nor simply clicking on the link opens them in my browser. I can right-click then choose Open on a link, and it does the right thing. |
| 20:50.30 | somiaj | ectospasm: do you see an option in the right click menu to set default action for that mime-type? |
| 20:50.56 | kopfwackler | somiaj, is there a reviewed set of commands which do not allow the special user to escalate priviledges? |
| 20:51.06 | ectospasm | somiaj: no, I don't |
| 20:52.05 | somiaj | ectospasm: it most likely is using the xdg mime types for defaults, but I am unsure the best wayt to set these in kde |
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| 20:53.38 | ectospasm | Right, which is proven because when I click Open in that context menu it does what I expect. It's just a relative pain to have to open that menu, and then click Open |
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| 20:54.04 | somiaj | ectospasm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62182/how-do-i-change-the-default-browser-that-konsole-opens-urls-with |
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| 20:54.40 | ectospasm | somiaj: I don't think that will work. If it was opening in the wrong browser, Open would do it in the wrong browser. |
| 20:54.50 | somiaj | ectospasm: yea looksl ike you need to change the xdg-mime type, that may give some pointers |
| 20:55.07 | somiaj | yes you need to change the default xdg browser to be the one you want it to open in |
| 20:55.29 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt need to mess with any of that |
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| 20:55.39 | Arrowmaster | just change it in system settings |
| 20:56.05 | ectospasm | somiaj: I still don't follow. |
| 20:56.09 | teraflops | lol kde layer is a mistery |
| 20:56.26 | Arrowmaster | ectospasm: try this http://askubuntu.com/a/142044 |
| 20:56.44 | somiaj | ectospasm: seems you can do it in system settings try that. (: |
| 20:57.14 | ectospasm | Arrowmaster: as I've said, I already have that set appropriately, otherwise "Open" wouldn't work. |
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| 20:58.18 | Arrowmaster | what does it open them with then? |
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| 20:58.28 | ectospasm | Chromium, like I want it to |
| 20:58.38 | Arrowmaster | so whats the problem? |
| 20:58.58 | ectospasm | What doesn't work is a single click or ctrl-click on the link. I have to right-click and choose "Open," I've said this before. |
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| 20:59.14 | Arrowmaster | thats a completely different issue then |
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| 20:59.29 | tga_ | greetings |
| 20:59.32 | ectospasm | I'm told ctrl-click should work, but doesn't with my mostly default konsole profile |
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| 21:00.35 | tga | what do people use as a hypervisor nowadays, to split a machine into several vpses? |
| 21:01.12 | tga | any one stands out as the recommended way to go? |
| 21:01.27 | Arrowmaster | kvm or xen |
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| 21:02.36 | tga | with something like openstack on top? |
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| 21:04.57 | teraflops | if you have a dedicated server proxmoxVE is nice btw |
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| 21:07.40 | tga | interesting, that's kvm |
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| 21:10.05 | somiaj | I think in debian systems you will find quem-kvm included by default in the kernel and in debian. |
| 21:11.27 | cukfiv | qemu-kvm must be installed by hand |
| 21:12.03 | somiaj | but you don't need a seperate kernel, you may have to turn on hardware virt options in your biso though if you want hardware support |
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| 21:23.07 | ectospasm | ,v kde |
| 21:23.08 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 21:23.11 | ectospasm | er |
| 21:23.16 | ectospasm | I shoulda know better |
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| 21:24.07 | ectospasm | ,v kde-full |
| 21:24.08 | judd | Package: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:82; sid: 5:84 |
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| 21:24.17 | ectospasm | that doesn't tell me anything! |
| 21:24.36 | catos | ,v cups |
| 21:24.37 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.4.4-7+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze4; wheezy: 1.5.3-5+deb7u1; jessie: 1.7.2-1; sid: 1.7.2-2 |
| 21:24.52 | ectospasm | ,v kde-standard |
| 21:24.53 | judd | Package: kde-standard on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:82; sid: 5:84 |
| 21:24.58 | babilen | ectospasm: "/msg judd v PKG" |
| 21:25.12 | ectospasm | OK |
| 21:25.33 | babilen | ectospasm: Also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ -- and you might want to ask a question if you are looking for an answer |
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| 21:26.15 | ectospasm | I'm trying to figure out what KDE version I have installed, according to apt, to see if I can pull something newer from backports. |
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| 21:32.44 | betim_ | hi, i rebooted to windows for a while, and when returned to debian this happened: http://pastebin.com/fMLLM2Pf -- how is this possible? |
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| 21:32.57 | betim_ | i've tried to dpkg-reconfigure tzdata - but nothing |
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| 21:37.42 | ectospasm | betim_: windows thinks hardware time is local time, not UTC. |
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| 21:38.27 | betim_ | ectospasm: how can I fix this? |
| 21:38.31 | ectospasm | ...so it stores local time with "windows time" (It's version of NTP), and when you come back to Debian it's borked. |
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| 21:40.38 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.43 | ectospasm | betim_: |
| 21:40.47 | ectospasm | betim_: ^ |
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| 21:42.34 | betim_ | ectospasm: thanks :) |
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| 21:43.21 | ectospasm | betim_: yeah, I couldn't remember how to do it off the top of my head, so I googled "debian hwclock local time" |
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| 22:12.25 | ssm2017 | hello |
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| 22:13.51 | ssm2017 | i would like to upgrade a programm (tmux 1.6 -> 1.8) using wheezy. do you know how to proceed ? (i could read that the version is in the "backports" repos so i have added them and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but nothing was upgraded) |
| 22:14.01 | ssm2017 | how is this mechanism working ? |
| 22:14.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell ssm2017 about wheezy-backports |
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| 22:15.49 | babilen | ssm2017: You'd have to specifically increase the priority of wheezy-backports with, for example, "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install tmux" -- That would get you 1.9-3~bpo70+1 and not 1.8 though. Do you require 1.8 ? |
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| 22:16.45 | ssm2017 | i need >=1.8 thank you babilen for the info about "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install...." |
| 22:16.53 | babilen | ssm2017: Enjoy :) |
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| 22:33.12 | firztspawn | HI all, I have an issue with audio... |
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| 22:33.40 | firztspawn | just recently upgraded my motherboard CPU etc, and install Debian stable (wheezy?) 7.4 |
| 22:33.57 | firztspawn | audio works, but is crackly |
| 22:34.05 | firztspawn | not sure what I can do to fix |
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| 22:34.17 | firztspawn | lspci reports: 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF106 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
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| 22:35.33 | trampel | firztspawn: pulseaudio ? |
| 22:35.50 | firztspawn | oh, and I installed kde |
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| 22:36.14 | firztspawn | unsure trampel - how can I tell? |
| 22:36.27 | firztspawn | is crackly with vlc, juk, and online games |
| 22:36.46 | firztspawn | (as in FB) |
| 22:38.48 | wols_ | firztspawn: that device is your videocard, so unless you use hdmi for audio, it's the wrong one |
| 22:39.25 | firztspawn | oh sorry... wrong line <facepalm> |
| 22:39.27 | firztspawn | 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) |
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| 22:39.51 | firztspawn | and no, I don't think I have pulseaudio installed |
| 22:40.15 | trampel | firztspawn: for pulseaudio 'detection' one could try: ps -ef | grep pulse |
| 22:40.21 | firztspawn | not according to apt-get -s anyway |
| 22:40.38 | trampel | firztspawn: wols_ is spot-on about the hdmi issue |
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| 22:41.03 | firztspawn | no, I don't use hdmi |
| 22:41.07 | trampel | firztspawn: vlc is known to have volume/crackle issues. sometime adjusting its 'volume' helps |
| 22:41.31 | firztspawn | also happens in juk.. vlc was the worst tho |
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| 22:42.31 | trampel | i'm unfamiliar with 'juk' [shrug] |
| 22:43.04 | firztspawn | I think default player of kde |
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| 22:46.29 | firztspawn | trampel, can you explain to me in dumbass terms what a backend is? |
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| 22:46.47 | firztspawn | I just noticed in multiledia settings that VLC is the default backend |
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| 22:46.58 | firztspawn | multimedia* |
| 22:47.19 | firztspawn | (for Phonon) |
| 22:47.56 | comradekingu | backend is the program/server that does the work, the frontend is the graphics/display part |
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| 22:48.11 | firztspawn | ah ok |
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| 22:50.01 | trampel | the linux audio stack does tend to be fairly complex. (here's an *old* source. the diagram included however brings home the scary: http://tuxradar.com/content/how-it-works-linux-audio-explained ) |
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| 22:50.49 | trampel | if i live to be a 1000 i don't think i'll ever quite get all the details of the relation between pulseaudio and alsa (for example) |
| 22:51.10 | dahveed311 | if you are the kind of person that thinks building a piano from scratch is fun... linux might be for you |
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| 22:54.00 | firztspawn | hmmm maybe I should install pulseaudio |
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| 22:54.39 | trampel | love it or hate it, it has become the ~standard |
| 22:55.06 | firztspawn | dahveed311, I used to use Gentoo, so I got used to growing the tree as well :) |
| 22:55.22 | deepblue | how to add an FreeBSD entry to Debian grub ? |
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| 22:55.56 | dahveed311 | :) |
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| 22:56.17 | firztspawn | trampel, I don't really know the difference, but from what I am reading, Phonon is still a WIP apparently |
| 22:56.27 | dahveed311 | i was looking at a doc a few months ago when i started supporting wheezy desktops at work, and it detailed the linux audio situation |
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| 22:56.35 | dahveed311 | i had never felt so dumb in my entire IT life |
| 22:56.48 | Roland- | hello what is the best way to vpn into my network ( linux server ) |
| 22:56.55 | Roland- | something compatible with windows builtin |
| 22:57.10 | dahveed311 | windows routing and remote services |
| 22:57.33 | Roland- | right. |
| 22:58.01 | Roland- | so I should remove debian and install windows to use let's say ptpd ? |
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| 22:58.54 | dahveed311 | wait ignmore me, win admin coming out |
| 22:59.07 | dahveed311 | that would be to connect to a vpn maintained by a win server |
| 22:59.17 | dahveed311 | you want to connect using a windows client to a linux based vpn |
| 22:59.41 | Roland- | exactly |
| 23:00.00 | dahveed311 | i think openvpn has cross platform support |
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| 23:00.08 | dahveed311 | that or just use poptop in linux or something |
| 23:00.17 | xeno__ | Will there be an elixir install package soon? |
| 23:00.29 | xeno__ | (for elixir language?) |
| 23:00.34 | dahveed311 | srry g2g for now |
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| 23:01.47 | trampel | just out of curiosity xeno__ what does elixir offer over erlang? |
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| 23:15.05 | rue_more | what version is wheezy/sid |
| 23:15.24 | harovali1 | i've a debian system in which some partitions in a secondary disk keep being mounted at boottime (even if I don't login in gnome) , being that I commented out the lines in /etc/fstab. There are no /etc/fstab.d/* files. What might be keeping mounting those partitions ? |
| 23:16.09 | harovali1 | rue_more: 7.0 |
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| 23:18.11 | rue_more | hmm |
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| 23:34.51 | themill | rue_more: a very out of date wheezy or sid (from > 12 months ago) |
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| 23:36.13 | jaakkos | suddenly alt+number switching stopped working in irssi, xfce4+gnome-terminal, i suspect recent testing updates... anyone else hit this? |
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| 23:36.23 | jaakkos | works in iceweasel though |
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| 23:38.19 | jaakkos | a-ha, new gnome-terminal uses alt+number to switch tabs. |
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| 23:59.19 | ausjke | i got hostapd working on wheezy, and i can use the wifi just fine, but i can no longer ping to this debian box, neither do I can ping from debian to any other IP, what's missing? |
| 23:59.41 | ausjke | tried ebtables but don't think it matters, if i disable the wlan0 on debian then i can use debian as normal, i.e. ping others |
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