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| 00:03.33 | ausjke | ok ping -I br0 google.com works |
| 00:03.43 | ausjke | maybe the kernel is confused with which interface to use by default |
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| 02:01.34 | Babalau | anyone using freemind or xmind or some kind of mind mapping software that can recommend ? |
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| 02:03.00 | ln_ | I just installed a million libs because I needed to compile something. Would you uninstall all the libs after that? I assume libs don't harm the system in anyway, except wasting drive space. |
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| 02:13.06 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 02:13.10 | sideup66 | how is everyone |
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| 02:13.36 | dahveed311 | hey |
| 02:13.39 | dahveed311 | playing csgo |
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| 02:15.28 | sideup66 | hey dah |
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| 02:15.33 | sideup66 | kinda a simple question to ask\ |
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| 02:15.50 | MrFrood | so ask? |
| 02:16.11 | sideup66 | when i am installing debian from netiso, is there a way to install without loading udev, i know its an odd request, but im installing to a machine that is hardware-handicapped |
| 02:16.20 | sideup66 | and for whatever reason, it cannot play nice when udev decides to load |
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| 02:18.13 | MrFrood | sideup66: I@m no expert but I think udev is pretty essential |
| 02:18.38 | MrFrood | sideup66: what is the hardware? |
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| 02:19.00 | sideup66 | just an old toshiba L somthing or other laptop |
| 02:19.16 | MrFrood | so x86 |
| 02:19.33 | sideup66 | no |
| 02:19.35 | sideup66 | its 64 |
| 02:19.39 | sideup66 | the cpu is amd64 bit |
| 02:19.45 | sideup66 | before linux it ran 64 bit windows |
| 02:20.03 | MrFrood | yeah, I just meant nothing exotic |
| 02:20.14 | sideup66 | oh well yeah, nothing fancy |
| 02:20.21 | sideup66 | just a half dead pc being setup as a purpose build |
| 02:20.25 | sideup66 | hence the strange configuration |
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| 02:20.34 | sideup66 | a dogecoin miner |
| 02:20.38 | sideup66 | were going to the mooooonnnnn |
| 02:20.40 | sideup66 | ;) |
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| 02:21.23 | sideup66 | but yes, that is the purpose, so all of its extra featuresets i can care less about |
| 02:21.32 | sideup66 | and its basically a resurrected junker that was gonna be tossed anyway |
| 02:21.57 | sideup66 | i have it running 32 bit right now, just reloading it with 64 but with no keyboard working i cant just modify the install post...as it would hang when loading udev |
| 02:21.58 | MrFrood | udev is not exactly an extra feature set |
| 02:22.07 | sideup66 | i am not referring to it as such |
| 02:22.13 | sideup66 | im saying features on the pc itself |
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| 02:22.18 | sideup66 | its not doing anything fancy |
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| 02:22.46 | MrFrood | ah |
| 02:23.21 | sideup66 | hang on |
| 02:23.25 | MrFrood | still not really my area of expertese |
| 02:23.30 | sideup66 | just made the custom disc to get the stupid thing to boot into ssh |
| 02:23.34 | BenLue | I have some trouble to start my bind9 Server: http://paste.debian.net/97318/ anyone ideas? |
| 02:23.34 | sideup66 | gotta go test it |
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| 02:24.54 | MrFrood | BenLue: did you look at line 13 of your paste? |
| 02:25.02 | MrFrood | goes to bed |
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| 02:32.05 | BenLue | MrFrood thanks for info. I have seen |
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| 02:34.45 | sideup66 | ok |
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| 02:34.48 | sideup66 | now i have a question |
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| 02:34.58 | sideup66 | i followed this guide to make a custom netinst cd |
| 02:34.59 | sideup66 | http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
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| 02:35.20 | sideup66 | and i cannot figure out why when the disc loads, it goes to 0 on the timer and just beeps at me for the main install screen |
| 02:38.02 | bxd8244 | quit |
| 02:39.08 | sideup66 | ? |
| 02:39.10 | sideup66 | quit? |
| 02:39.12 | sideup66 | oh |
| 02:39.13 | sideup66 | lol |
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| 03:01.08 | sideup66 | ok i got my cd ready to load |
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| 03:01.26 | sideup66 | i have a question now as unfortunately no working keyboard means i cannot tell the bios to boot from cd |
| 03:01.46 | sideup66 | how can i break debian in such a way that it wont recognize any boot stuff and just kinda fluke out forcing the system to boot cd |
| 03:01.55 | sideup66 | should i remove grub then rm * at root w/ root? |
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| 03:34.23 | seyacat | Hi DEBIAN! |
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| 03:43.18 | centrx | HI SEYACAT |
| 03:43.35 | seyacat | HI! |
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| 04:05.57 | Mattx | Hello there |
| 04:06.10 | Mattx | I want to config a proxy for the whole system, where do I do that? |
| 04:06.20 | Mattx | it's not an http_proxy, it's a sockt v5 |
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| 04:07.28 | centrx | Mattx, I believe usually that is done per-application |
| 04:07.36 | hugg | Mattx: socks proxy is per application |
| 04:07.41 | Mattx | hmn |
| 04:07.48 | Mattx | and what's the environ variable? |
| 04:07.59 | Mattx | I tried with http_proxy for example in chrome |
| 04:08.04 | Mattx | but it didn't change my ip |
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| 04:08.26 | hugg | Mattx: you can use VPN. |
| 04:08.33 | Mattx | vpn? |
| 04:08.35 | Mattx | where? how? |
| 04:09.06 | hugg | Mattx: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
| 04:10.13 | Rusty1 | proxychains |
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| 04:11.32 | Mattx | oh come on, I don't have 20 hours to set up a simple proxy u.u |
| 04:11.41 | Mattx | the guide is huge |
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| 04:12.02 | centrx | Mattx, Just do it by application then with the SOCKS |
| 04:12.11 | Mattx | I tried but it's not working |
| 04:12.36 | Mattx | I setupt the proxy on firefox for example but it didn't change my ip |
| 04:12.50 | Mattx | I did the same on linux (computer which is next to me), and it worked instantly! |
| 04:12.57 | hugg | Mattx: are you sure? some socks proxy servers carry your ip forward as a header (X-Forwarded-For). |
| 04:13.19 | Mattx | I'm sure, my ip is hidden in the win computer |
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| 04:14.17 | hugg | Mattx: you know that socks proxies have no encryption right, so there's no additional security if anyone between you and the proxy are sniffing traffic. |
| 04:14.43 | Mattx | i'm not using the proxy to add security, it's just to change my location |
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| 04:14.58 | Mattx | wait, I just changed something in firefox and now it says "The proxy server is refusing connections" |
| 04:15.05 | Mattx | but it didn't ask me for the username and password |
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| 04:18.29 | hugg | Mattx: Firefox does not support proxies with authentication. You have to use Firefox addon like FoxyProxy. |
| 04:18.44 | wols___ | Mattx: so you tried on linux and it worked and you tried it on windows with firefox and it didn't work? |
| 04:19.17 | centrx | So, I guess it works in Debian |
| 04:20.27 | centrx | As expected! |
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| 04:48.49 | codepython777 | is there an easy way to update a debian box without me being the root on the box? Just put a script on it, so that it updates automatically? |
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| 04:51.05 | codepython777 | cat /etc/debian_version used to have a 7.x in it, now it has jessie/sid? |
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| 04:54.15 | evanvarvell | hello |
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| 04:55.25 | evanvarvell | just got banned from offtopic channel for suggesting women use pink color font and men use blue color font |
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| 04:56.06 | evanvarvell | a little excessive? |
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| 04:58.09 | sideup66 | hi room |
| 04:58.20 | sideup66 | does anyone know during the debian install in expert mode |
| 04:58.27 | sideup66 | if i drop to shell to do somthing to the installed system |
| 04:58.38 | sideup66 | is there a way to launch the debian installer again from the shell? |
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| 04:59.24 | evanvarvell | debian has not paid me |
| 04:59.34 | sideup66 | ? |
| 04:59.38 | sideup66 | huh |
| 05:00.07 | jelly-home | sideup66: is the installer still running on Ctrl-Alt-F1 console? Ignore evanvarvell, he's trolling for attention. |
| 05:00.30 | sideup66 | jelly yes, im currently loading the base system |
| 05:00.37 | sideup66 | but once the system is all loaded up i will need to modify |
| 05:00.41 | sideup66 | and im working on it over SSH |
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| 05:00.52 | sideup66 | unless i can just disconnect and reconnect? |
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| 05:01.18 | evanvarvell | i don't like being called a troll |
| 05:01.51 | ProfOak_ | evanvarvell: why not? |
| 05:01.56 | jelly-home | sideup66: oh. I have no idea how remote ssh install works with that, sorry. You could try connecting a second time and see what happens. |
| 05:02.25 | sideup66 | ok, i just want to make sure my system is loaded enough to boot at that point is all, unless it writes the user changes to disc and all |
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| 05:03.19 | sideup66 | ,jelly-home: i have the system setup to do it this way due to a setup issue it has with hardware |
| 05:03.20 | evanvarvell | there is nothing wrong with meeting poeple.......................but if you use the word troll like nancy grace would use it it would imply you mean to harm |
| 05:03.22 | sideup66 | strange as it is |
| 05:03.33 | sideup66 | unless there is a manual command to add the users which i think all the finalization does |
| 05:04.02 | jelly-home | evanvarvell: this is a tech support channel. Any complaints you have about managing #debian* should go to #debian-ops, where someone will read them. Complaining here serves no purpose but drawing attention. |
| 05:04.37 | evanvarvell | roger that debian-ops |
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| 05:06.26 | jelly-home | sideup66: well, if root password is set, and network and openssh-server are up, that ought to be enough even if no user account is created |
| 05:07.04 | sideup66 | jelly: i did those steps in the installer, it has you set that before setting up the hard disk |
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| 05:07.19 | sideup66 | its why i dont know if the system will be set to login or not |
| 05:07.19 | sideup66 | lol |
| 05:07.36 | jelly-home | that's for the installer environment, tho |
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| 05:07.49 | sideup66 | well yes, it gives me ssh in the installer |
| 05:08.03 | sideup66 | so i highly doubt itll have an issue, im going to try the second login suggestion |
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| 05:08.27 | deepblue | how to know which Debian is running? |
| 05:08.40 | centrx | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:08.49 | jelly-home | sideup66: I was talking about the post-install settings inside the resulting installation, not the installer itself |
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| 05:08.58 | jelly-home | !debian suite |
| 05:08.58 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 05:09.06 | sideup66 | jelly-home: oh, ok |
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| 05:09.23 | centrx | deepblue, If the system is in a sane state without mixing different versions of Debian or third-party repos, that will have the correct version. |
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| 05:17.44 | Thrasymachus | hi all, anyone just lose login ability in pianobar? |
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| 05:19.53 | sideup66 | jelly-home: figured it out |
| 05:20.07 | sideup66 | seems that its nice enough to let you do your edits in shell, then when done, goes right back into the installation |
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| 05:25.18 | sideup66 | thanks again jelly |
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| 05:33.00 | mdim | hi all. I've installed libvirt 1.2.1 from wheezy-backports, but it is missing this file: /var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq/default.conf |
| 05:33.06 | mdim | Can I find it anywhere? |
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| 05:42.33 | ProfOak_ | mdim: Try the command apt-file search default.conf |
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| 05:43.03 | ProfOak_ | maybe apt-file search default.conf | grep dnsmasq |
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| 05:44.27 | ProfOak_ | dpkg: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Virtual_network_%27default%27_has_not_been_started |
| 05:44.27 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ProfOak_ |
| 05:44.56 | ProfOak_ | mdim: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Virtual_network_%27default%27_has_not_been_started |
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| 06:28.55 | addaitech | any idea why vlc would segfault in xfce, but not openbox or lxde? |
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| 06:43.02 | jarkko___ | addaitech: open bug report |
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| 06:44.45 | Artemis3 | addaitech, do you have the compositor enabled? i couldn't see any reason for vlc to segfault "because of xfce" (vlc uses qt) |
| 06:45.26 | addaitech | yeah i have compositor enabled |
| 06:45.35 | Artemis3 | addaitech, try with the compositor disabled |
| 06:45.51 | addaitech | k trying now, didnt think of that |
| 06:46.28 | addaitech | damn still segfaults |
| 06:46.36 | Artemis3 | addaitech, if that work then maybe double check in vlc settings the output method |
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| 07:05.44 | deepblue | how to label /dev/sdb2 as 'Mint'? |
| 07:06.35 | joj | deepblue: depends on the fs. in the case of ext{2,3,4}, do tune2fs -L $label /dev/sdb2 |
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| 07:11.12 | deepblue | joj: done ,thanx |
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| 07:11.24 | joj | deepblue: np |
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| 07:19.45 | hanibana | I want to change a kernel parameter UDP_HTABLE_SIZE and recompile it. It's a constant in a udp.h file (actually now named as UDP_HTABLE_SIZE_MIN). Is it safe to change and recompile it? I can't find a related parameter in "make menuconfig". Is it safe to directly change the header file and recompile? |
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| 07:20.44 | buu | Is that really the best way to solve the problem? |
| 07:22.14 | hanibana | buu: I'm installing an application which requires increasing default linux UDP hash table size. |
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| 07:46.26 | xelan | Hey guys, I put this in /etc/rc.local: '~/.quicktile/quicktile.py -d' so I will autostart, but it doesn't do anything. The command is correct though. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:46.51 | xelan | it will* |
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| 07:52.19 | babilen | xelan: Isn't quicktile meant to be used on Xorg? |
| 07:52.54 | xelan | babilen, yes indeed. So I guess this is executed before X and that's why it won't work? |
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| 08:00.59 | _2_shiva | hi |
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| 08:08.28 | DesignerX | hi |
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| 08:09.30 | DesignerX | using TurnKey Linux 13.0 / Debian 7.2 Wheezy , apt-get install ruby doesnt work . I get E: Unable to locate package ruby |
| 08:09.42 | babilen | dpkg: turnkey |
| 08:09.43 | dpkg | TurnKey Linux is a project providing ready-to-use "virtual appliances" packaged as live CDs, which are based on <Ubuntu> 8.04.3 LTS. TurnKey Linux appliances are not supported in #debian. http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ #turnkey on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 08:11.07 | DesignerX | is'nt it just Linux in a VM ? so linux commands should work as usual ? |
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| 08:12.22 | babilen | DesignerX: This channel (#debian) only support pure Debian for a number of technical and social reasons. You can, naturally, also ask in ##linux if #turnkey is not working for you. Feel free to install Debian if you want support in here |
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| 08:14.02 | DesignerX | babilen: ok, ty ..I'm a bit new to linux. tunrkey is empty & ##linux is locked (I cant send message) ! |
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| 08:16.12 | g0rd0n | i am using php 5.4 from dotdeb, however now they added mysql 5.6 to their repo... but I want to keep debian's 5.5 variant. How can I tell dpkg to prefer the debian version? It always wants me to upgrade to mysql 5.6... |
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| 08:18.10 | babilen | DesignerX: You have to be identified with NickServ to speak in ##linux. See "/msg NickServ help identify" and "/msg NickServ help register" (if you haven't registered yet) + https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 08:18.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell g0rd0n -about dotdeb |
| 08:18.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell g0rd0n -about hold |
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| 08:19.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell g0rd0n -about pinning |
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| 08:20.20 | babilen | g0rd0n: I would, however, recommend not to use dotdeb. Not sure what the best approach for pinning is, but it would be best to refrain from using unsupported third-party packages if you want your system to not have problems and be supported in here. |
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| 08:21.11 | babilen | g0rd0n: You can probably pin packages with origin Debian a bit higher, but I am not familiar with the dotdeb repository enough to advise you in this. Ask them for reasonable pinning schemes suited for their packages. |
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| 08:21.34 | g0rd0n | ok pinning is the keyword i was looking for, thanks Babalau |
| 08:21.36 | g0rd0n | babilen |
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| 08:57.03 | x86_64 | can i change debian's interface language |
| 08:57.07 | x86_64 | the whole debian |
| 08:57.24 | x86_64 | i want that is in greek |
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| 09:08.22 | corndog | hi all |
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| 09:16.44 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | does anyone know why package encfs is no longer in testing? |
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| 09:18.28 | repxl | yo |
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| 09:20.16 | repxl | i have a machine on digitalocean, i setup everything , git , nginx , php, etc ,etc ... can i clone this machine on a cd because my development will stop now for 3 months so i don't want to pay digitalocean for 3 months but when i again start a digitalocean machine i want to fast my preferences installed so i don't have to do all the same again. |
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| 09:21.31 | DesignerX | hi again, is there a way to install php with all default modules enabled without having to list them ? |
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| 09:22.01 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | repxl clonezilla |
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| 09:22.53 | Roland- | hey |
| 09:23.08 | Roland- | I have an issue, one of the drives was marked as failed by madm and now is back |
| 09:23.09 | repxl | RdrOfTheSt0rm ok ty, but i can clone it from by remote ? my digital ocean machine is public or how |
| 09:23.15 | Roland- | how can i unmark it as failed? |
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| 09:26.00 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | repxl: yeah supports remote back but you have to shut it down |
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| 10:00.54 | chitose | both my wireless driver and ethernet driver are not supported by the latest wheezy. is it possible to just grab the ucode files and have the .ko file point to the relevant ucode files? |
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| 10:03.53 | wols | chitose: which network chips do you have? |
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| 10:04.56 | wols | chitose: you can put the firmware files in /lib/firmware, but there are better ways: installing the .deb from non-free for the firmwares, installting a backport kernel that supports the chip, etc |
| 10:05.06 | th0m | reinstalling my server all togheter today with proper kernel (: |
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| 10:05.14 | chitose | wols: for the wireless i hvae the new intel 7260 (which is on an older 3.1 kernel for some reason for iwlwifi), and for the ethernet i have the atheros AR8171/8175 PCI-E ethernet controller |
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| 10:07.52 | chitose | the wireless part is in compat-wireless, but the newest wheezy doesn't have the KO recognize the releant ucode file |
| 10:08.10 | chitose | as in, its literally not in there |
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| 10:09.33 | wols | please use a backports kernel then. compat wireless is not good |
| 10:09.39 | chitose | there doesn't seem like a good reason to use a backported kernel, since the firmware is just a binary blob |
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| 10:10.08 | chitose | i just have to figure out how to edit a ko file |
| 10:10.10 | wols | it's to replace compat wireless, and have a blob that is for this module and which recognizes the blob |
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| 10:10.23 | wols | chitose: for this you are on your own, good luck |
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| 10:57.50 | Omilun | hello ... |
| 10:58.58 | Omilun | how can i sleep my pc on debian? i can not suspend my pc ... |
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| 10:59.19 | Omilun | suspend on debian 7 not working |
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| 11:01.18 | Omilun | any boody help me? |
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| 11:01.57 | wols | !tell Omilun about suspend |
| 11:02.01 | wols | !tell Omilun about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 11:03.11 | Omilun | wols: eemm suspend like sleep pc on windows ... yes? |
| 11:03.41 | wols | that is suspend to RAM, yes |
| 11:04.54 | Omilun | wols: i can not suspend my pc ... but if use it on my laptop ... working |
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| 11:07.45 | wols | !tell Omilun about doesn't work |
| 11:11.47 | Omilun | wols: dosent work ... i can not tell it ... dosent work .. if i use it = monitor back and luck scrin ... but in laptop = sleep |
| 11:12.09 | Omilun | wols: i need sleep my pc on debian...can u help me? |
| 11:12.19 | Omilun | wols: yes or no? |
| 11:12.30 | wols | no I cannot help since you don't give enough information. My guess your english is not up to the task |
| 11:13.04 | Omilun | wols: ok ............................................. |
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| 11:28.17 | ermajn | hello, I'm trying to install apache2-mpm-prefork, which is installed ok, without errors, but it does not provide corresponding module in /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so |
| 11:28.30 | ermajn | does anyone have suggestion |
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| 11:30.26 | XemsDoom | use nginx |
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| 11:33.49 | morfin | anybody knows is there sparc64 in debian version of qemu? |
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| 11:48.05 | iqualfragile | hi, how can i help to get xoscope into jessie? |
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| 11:53.40 | tdn | I run a bind DNS server on Debian 6. I get a lot of errors in the logs when bind cannot resolve some host or reverse dns. These messages are a bit annoying because I see it as noise: it should be quite normal that some host does not have a working revDNS for example. Or at least there is no need to log it as an 'error'. Is there a way to disable these log messages? Example of one: named[1081]: error (connection refused) resolving 'atom.smasher.org/A/IN': 69.55.237. |
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| 11:55.42 | SynrGy | tdn: it sounds like you grep your logs for the word 'error' to find errors. that's not the best way to watch your logs. logcheck has log filtering & reporting capabilities. look into that. |
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| 11:56.16 | tdn | SynrGy, well, also I regularly tail the syslog. And it is quite annoying to have all this noise. |
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| 11:56.30 | tdn | I don't even understand why this is logged? |
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| 11:57.01 | tdn | I have two DNS servers. One of them is quite busy. It quickly gets to thousands of lines on a few hours. |
| 11:57.10 | tdn | On the busy dns server. |
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| 12:00.15 | forcer | tdn: You can configure bind9's logging quite extensively, see for example http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/logging.html |
| 12:00.30 | wols | tdn: why do you run a bind? |
| 12:00.53 | tdn | wols, well what else should I use for DNS server? |
| 12:01.18 | tdn | wols, they host various domains. |
| 12:01.30 | SynrGy | most people only need a caching server. so this is just standard triage. |
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| 12:02.08 | tdn | SynrGy, ok. This is an actual dns server :) |
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| 12:02.19 | tdn | Or these. There are several. |
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| 12:03.25 | tdn | forcer, thanks for the link. I guess I can solve the problem by using this. |
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| 12:03.58 | SynrGy | it's perfectly legit to say 'when i looked this up for you, it failed'. it's not doing what was intended, therefore is an error. |
| 12:04.17 | SynrGy | whether or not you want to *see* that is an administrator choice |
| 12:04.29 | SynrGy | as i said, my habit is to use logcheck, and that filters anything i don't want to see |
| 12:04.34 | SynrGy | you can filter tail too |
| 12:04.51 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm wanting to build a multi head setup without X, just multiple ttys, but I can't seem to find any resources about it and some say it just can't be done, is this true? |
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| 12:04.57 | SynrGy | there is probably a more elegant solution than tail -f | grep -v blahblah |
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| 12:06.16 | SynrGy | tdn: looks like you have your answer anyway, in the doc for configuring logging, but this is something to consider for the general class of problem you described |
| 12:07.06 | tdn | SynrGy, I will look into logcheck. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 12:07.14 | SynrGy | i prefer to err on the side of logging 'too much' and then filter the messages i want to actively track. then if i ever have an incident and want to go back to the logs ... |
| 12:07.19 | SynrGy | everything i might need is there. |
| 12:07.51 | SynrGy | there *is* some tool to tail logs ... i just don't remember the names |
| 12:07.53 | SynrGy | name* |
| 12:07.54 | forcer | Bert_2: If I remember correctly, the linux console code does not have multi-head support. You might have more luck with the framebuffer console (fbcon). |
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| 12:08.24 | forcer | SynrGy: logtail? :-) |
| 12:09.01 | SynrGy | multitail |
| 12:09.03 | tdn | Bert_2, multihead? Like two monitors? |
| 12:09.06 | SynrGy | either one, i guess? |
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| 12:09.44 | tdn | Bert_2, or a shared terminal session? For that you can use 'screen -x' |
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| 12:17.01 | tremon | Bert_2: the linux VTs are always tied to the primary display device. Having multiple independent terminals can only be done through separate TTY devices, e.g. a serial line for each connected terminal |
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| 12:20.17 | tremon | david herrmann is working on a userspace VT system, that might be able to do that, not sure if that usecase is currently considered |
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| 12:55.56 | dsg_ | Anyone else getting a bad PGP signature on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release.gpg ? |
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| 12:56.50 | themill | dsg: you probably need to pick an individual mirror rather than using the dns round robin |
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| 12:59.12 | dsg | themill: Hm, isn't it usually working though? I'm writing a script that uses debootstrap and I would prefer not to have to pick a mirror for the eventual end user. |
| 12:59.27 | dsg | Though you are right, ftp.de.debian.org has a valid Release.gpg, so I'll hack it in for now. |
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| 13:00.19 | themill | dsg: ftp.us.d.o is often flaky because of the round robin. You might be better off with http.d.n in any case |
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| 13:09.56 | Bert_2 | tdn: multiple monitors |
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| 13:10.12 | Bert_2 | forcer: thx, I'll look at fbcon :) |
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| 13:11.21 | dsg | themill: Ok thanks :) |
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| 13:34.50 | Osiers | Like iOS updates on hardware - is there a way to update Debian on shipped hardware? |
| 13:35.18 | Osiers | Is there such an example of something that I can look at? |
| 13:36.04 | Osiers | Perhaps something in the open-source world? |
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| 13:45.52 | badconduct | What's the best way to remotely manage a Debian Terminal server? Currently using putty |
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| 13:46.35 | XemsDoom | I would say putty |
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| 13:47.02 | XemsDoom | how should it get better? |
| 13:47.15 | badconduct | When you launch a service in putty, you can see the program running |
| 13:47.37 | badconduct | but if i log back in, it's a fresh session. Is there a way to get back into the programs running commands? |
| 13:47.50 | badconduct | Or just view the log files at a later point? |
| 13:47.52 | XemsDoom | you need an application like 'tmux' or 'screen' |
| 13:48.03 | badconduct | Can that be used in conjuction with putty? |
| 13:48.05 | XemsDoom | which lets you create virtual terminal windows |
| 13:48.06 | XemsDoom | yes |
| 13:48.18 | XemsDoom | I do that all the time, so that I can split the terminal into mutliple windows |
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| 13:48.35 | XemsDoom | and for example tail -f a log on one screen and do some other stuff in another |
| 13:48.51 | XemsDoom | but you can also tmux an application, so that it runs in the background you get to it later |
| 13:49.04 | XemsDoom | like switching applications in windows/mac but with terminals |
| 13:49.11 | badconduct | ahhh, that's good |
| 13:49.17 | badconduct | and you can switch between them via Putty? |
| 13:49.20 | XemsDoom | yes |
| 13:49.27 | badconduct | I think that's what I need |
| 13:49.30 | XemsDoom | for example, I create a new session with simple 'tmux' |
| 13:49.42 | XemsDoom | then I can do ctr+b+% to split the terminal |
| 13:49.54 | XemsDoom | and I can switch between those terminal windows with ctr+b+o |
| 13:50.02 | XemsDoom | let me get the cheatsheet :) |
| 13:50.07 | badconduct | K :) |
| 13:50.09 | XemsDoom | http://www.dayid.org/os/notes/tm.html |
| 13:50.11 | armin | badconduct: putty is an ssh client and a terminal emulator. nothing more. tmux/screen are terminal multiplexers. the terms may be confusing at first, but you should learn the difference between all those things. |
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| 13:50.51 | badconduct | Is Tmux something you run via putty and control via putty, or is this a seperate application I install and manage? |
| 13:51.01 | badconduct | (on the Windows client) |
| 13:51.02 | XemsDoom | it's an application on your debian server |
| 13:51.13 | badconduct | That is launched via putty? |
| 13:51.27 | armin | badconduct: you use putty to connect to a machine. tmux is a program you run on the machine you just connected to. inside tmux you can run other programs, and you can background tmux as well. |
| 13:51.39 | badconduct | K, that makes sense |
| 13:51.46 | armin | badconduct: feel free to replace every occurance of "tmux" with "screen" in that sentence. |
| 13:51.54 | badconduct | I assume this is something most admins run? |
| 13:52.03 | armin | badconduct: what, screen/tmux? |
| 13:52.07 | badconduct | Yes |
| 13:52.11 | armin | badconduct: it's a necessary tool, yes. |
| 13:52.25 | badconduct | I am running Snorby btw if that helps |
| 13:52.32 | armin | you really need that to do your work. |
| 13:52.38 | armin | no idea what snorby is. |
| 13:52.46 | badconduct | Snort? |
| 13:52.50 | badconduct | Pakcet sniffer |
| 13:52.55 | XemsDoom | it looks like this http://dl.xemsdoom.com/various/tmux.png |
| 13:53.26 | badconduct | That's clever |
| 13:54.15 | badconduct | Can I keep MySQL running while i install tmux, or will I need to install it and restart my services? |
| 13:54.28 | XemsDoom | yes of course |
| 13:54.35 | badconduct | I like Linux lol |
| 13:54.35 | XemsDoom | apt-get install tmux should be all you have to do |
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| 14:11.57 | eristisk | I have a Debian host and virtualbox guest. I would like to copy the entire contents of /usr/bin/ from one to the other, preserving all permissions. I have the shared directory methods (using VBox Guest Additions) configured, but how can I copy preserving permissions as they should be? |
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| 14:12.17 | HD|Laptop | hi |
| 14:12.40 | HD|Laptop | I have a purely headless system (raspberry pi) with only a monitor but no way to install mouse or keyboard |
| 14:12.53 | HD|Laptop | what do I need to do to launch a chromium window with a website? |
| 14:13.00 | HD|Laptop | no need for a window manager or anything |
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| 14:13.08 | HD|Laptop | just a fullscreen chromium+ |
| 14:13.24 | xeno__ | Wow. I probably missed my answer. Anyone know if a .deb file install for elixir is slated soon? |
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| 14:14.09 | tremon | eristisk: one option is cp -p. Otherwise, rsync, tar and cpio all have options to preserve mode than just permissions (like xattr), you might want to look into those as well |
| 14:14.16 | tremon | s/mode/more/ |
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| 14:18.41 | eristisk | tremon: cp -p seems to not preserve ownership or links |
| 14:18.48 | eristisk | I will try rsync -a next |
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| 14:19.48 | eristisk | rsync -a fails at this as well |
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| 14:21.22 | tremon | just to be sure, cp -p only preserves ownership if run as root. rsync has options for how to deal with symlinks at both src and dest end |
| 14:22.02 | eristisk | tremon: It's being run as root, but I think the problem is that it is a vbox mount |
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| 14:22.24 | eristisk | So the destination machine (the host) sees files incoming via a virtualbox guest and simply makes owner as my normal user |
| 14:22.30 | tremon | possible, but that should be obvious if you run ls on the mountpoint |
| 14:23.01 | tremon | are you copying from inside the guest or pushing from the host? |
| 14:23.07 | eristisk | Copying from inside the guest |
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| 14:23.41 | tremon | you're copying from the guest to the host? |
| 14:25.26 | eristisk | tremon: yes |
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| 14:25.40 | tremon | in that case it's not cp doing the actual write, you're at the mercy of what the vbox mount lets you do. But to me that's a bad idea even in the best possible circumstance |
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| 14:26.02 | Guest60732 | Hi. I have problem starting X application remotely. I am logged via wifi from debian to rhel machine, and I am trying to fire up some application on the first one from the second. When I try DISPLAY=83.242.73.77:0.0 xterm I get xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.21.2:0.0 (ip of debian of course). Any advise? |
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| 14:27.54 | eristisk | tremon: Okay so maybe better to use a different method? SFTP? |
| 14:28.21 | tremon | why are you trying to overwrite /usr/bin in the first place? |
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| 14:30.26 | FreeMe | #hello |
| 14:30.31 | FreeMe | hello guys |
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| 14:31.06 | bezoka_ | hello |
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| 14:31.13 | bezoka_ | I installed debian from pendrive |
| 14:31.24 | bezoka_ | and it was installed grub on this pendrive |
| 14:31.29 | bezoka_ | how can I repair it? |
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| 14:32.31 | tremon | Guest60732: is "don't do that" usable advise for you? Use an ssh tunnel, don't put the X server on a public ip |
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| 14:33.33 | tremon | bezoka_: boot from the pendrive again, select "rescue mode". select to boot a shell in the root system, then make sure /boot is mounted |
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| 14:34.07 | FreeMe | bezoka_: see this http://askubuntu.com/questions/458961/installation-of-ubuntu-12-04-from-pen-drive |
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| 14:34.35 | Guest60732 | tremon, I am going through ssh. In one tutorial it was written to set remote display variable to localmachinename/orIP:0.0 |
| 14:34.42 | tremon | bezoka_: from there, you can dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (iirc) |
| 14:35.18 | FreeMe | google it, you'l find more |
| 14:35.24 | tremon | Guest60732: if you used ssh -X, you shouldn't have to set DISPLAY at all. It gets set by ssh itself, if both the server and client are configured to permit X forwarding |
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| 14:36.11 | Guest60732 | tremon, the value on the remote machine was pointing to itself. Any advise what should it be set to? |
| 14:36.16 | bezoka_ | thanks, I will try it |
| 14:36.50 | FreeMe | i have a doubt in ssh x11 forwarding, how do i see whole desktop of a remote machine |
| 14:37.18 | frostschutz | FreeMe, you don't |
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| 14:37.39 | tremon | Guest60732: that's normal. ssh uses a local port on the remote side, otherwise the traffic won't go through the tunnel |
| 14:37.41 | frostschutz | FreeMe, maybe you're looking for vnc |
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| 14:38.00 | FreeMe | frostschutz: if i want to have that functionality, its not possible with ssh? |
| 14:38.38 | frostschutz | FreeMe, it depends on what it is you want exactly. x11 over ssh is not for seeing apps that already run remotely in a remote x server; its for running remote apps in your local x server |
| 14:38.39 | dcmg | FreeMe: not many people use X11 forwarding any more. but the optios are there: grep -i X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:40.04 | FreeMe | # ForwardX11 no # ForwardX11Trusted yes |
| 14:40.16 | abrotman | FreeMe: vnc |
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| 14:40.33 | FreeMe | yeah that one i know abrotman |
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| 14:40.57 | tremon | Guest60732: btw if you set DISPLAY to localhost:0, your apps will try to start on the remote (server's) display, not on your local machine. What are you trying to do? |
| 14:41.35 | elichai2 | looking for good terminal that support RTL |
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| 14:43.02 | FreeMe | in ssh with x11 forwarding, if chrome is running on host machine, then opening chrome on ssh window on remote machine is opening chrome in host machine?, whereas without any chrome windows opened, it opens chrome in machine running ssh |
| 14:43.33 | FreeMe | [ without chrome windows opened in host machine ] |
| 14:43.55 | dcmg | FreeMe: apt-cache search xauth ; apt-cache search xbase-clients |
| 14:43.58 | X-Sleepy-X | Hi! I was going to add a printer in Wheezy 7.5 but I got a message about FirewallD not running. I already had a printer added so this message is new. Any thoughts on what the cause might be or how to solve it? |
| 14:44.02 | FreeMe | sorry about the wording of my question |
| 14:44.14 | dcmg | and look at http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.remote-login.html 9.2.1.2. Using Remote X11 Applications |
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| 14:44.51 | Guest60732 | tremon, trying to run application installed on the remote on the local. |
| 14:45.16 | eristisk | tremon: I deleted the content of /usr/bin/ on the host |
| 14:45.29 | FreeMe | dcmg: thanks :) |
| 14:45.33 | eristisk | So I installed Debian onto a guest and am trying to copy the binaries back to the host |
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| 14:45.49 | eristisk | I am going to just chown root:root * and hope it works |
| 14:45.55 | eristisk | Not sure how to preserve links, etc. |
| 14:45.56 | tremon | FreeMe: both chrome and firefox are broken in that regard. When run, they will first check if the program is already running /for that user/, instead of /in the current X server/ . Firefox has a switch (-noremote?) to switch off that behaviour |
| 14:46.03 | eristisk | At least I should have APT |
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| 14:47.42 | tremon | eristisk: ok, just copying and chown should work for most programs, except setuid |
| 14:47.55 | tremon | (setuid binaries I mean) |
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| 14:48.08 | eristisk | tremon: Is there a way I can find out which packages those binaries belong to and reinstall them? |
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| 14:48.20 | eristisk | (without doing it 1-by-1) |
| 14:48.26 | tremon | yes, dpkg -S /usr/bin |
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| 14:49.04 | tremon | that requires a running dpkg first though, and an uncorrupted /var/lib/dpkg |
| 14:49.20 | SynrGy | eristisk: do you really want to skip dotfiles? |
| 14:49.27 | eristisk | I don't see why /var/lib/dpkg should be corrupted, I only deleted /usr/bin/ |
| 14:49.34 | tremon | no dotfiles in /usr/bin, I hope |
| 14:49.45 | SynrGy | didn't get that context :) |
| 14:49.56 | SynrGy | eristisk: but using * as a habit should be avoided |
| 14:50.26 | dcmg | coying binaries that are dynamically linked to libraries in /lib is pretty useless |
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| 14:50.52 | dcmg | copy it out and it will not do anything without its correcsponding libs. this is why maybe re-installing them with dpkg is the best idea |
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| 14:51.18 | Guest60732 | tremon, any suggestion how display setting should look like in order for scenario above to work? |
| 14:51.19 | dcmg | you can list the libraries a binary is linked against with ldd /path/to/binary |
| 14:51.19 | eristisk | dcmg: Yes, but dpkg + apt are installed in /usr/bin/ which is the directory's contents that I deleted on the host |
| 14:51.27 | tremon | Guest60732: ok, in that case ssh -X or ssh -Y should work, no fiddling with $DISPLAY should be necessary |
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| 14:51.52 | eristisk | dcmg: The point of this is to get a working package manager back on the host by copying at least some basic tools (like dpkg and apt) over to the host from a guest VBox Debian amd64 install |
| 14:52.06 | Guest60732 | tremon, I am going through 'ssh -X' thought it was mandatory? |
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| 14:52.10 | dcmg | eristisk: make a fresh isntallation, tar up the entire directory, and untar it into place, that way it will always work even with special files |
| 14:52.14 | tremon | Guest60732: I'm logged in with ssh -X on a remote machine right now, $DISPLAY is set to localhost:10.0 |
| 14:52.23 | eristisk | dcmg: Oohh, good idea |
| 14:52.39 | Guest60732 | tremon, will check this out. Thanks. |
| 14:53.13 | eristisk | dcmg: Any special tar switches you recommend, in terms of preserving special files + permissions? |
| 14:53.30 | eristisk | I see --preserve-permissions |
| 14:53.40 | tremon | Guest60732: you may want to run ssh with one or more -v's. Mine says "debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing" |
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| 14:54.52 | SynrGy | eristisk: that's default for root anyway |
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| 14:55.18 | SynrGy | as per man page |
| 14:55.27 | Guest60732 | tremon, yes, running with double at the moment and I guess my problem is authentication related (X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.). Thanks for your input tremon. |
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| 14:58.04 | eristisk | SynrGy: I ended up using tar cvpzf to a tar.gz file and it looks great |
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| 14:58.47 | eristisk | permissions, ownership, links, and setuid seem all preserved |
| 14:58.55 | eristisk | Thanks for the suggestion dcmg! |
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| 14:59.57 | tremon | Guest60732: try ssh -Y instead. I don't know the details, but -Y bypasses some X security checks |
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| 15:03.53 | FreeMe | kill command in linux doesn't take arguments from pipe ? |
| 15:04.10 | FreeMe | *argument |
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| 15:05.51 | tremon | FreeMe: try xargs |
| 15:05.54 | FreeMe | why some commands don't work with pipes? please clarify |
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| 15:06.13 | bn` | well you won't kill someone with a pipe, would you? |
| 15:06.30 | FreeMe | yeah i use xargs, it works fine but why not with pipe |
| 15:06.38 | FreeMe | bn`: funny :D |
| 15:06.41 | tremon | FreeMe: because kill doesn't operate on text |
| 15:07.31 | FreeMe | tremon: im sorry, i did not get that |
| 15:08.00 | bn` | FreeMe: you could use this: kill -n `cat textfilewithpidinit` |
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| 15:08.15 | tremon | pipes are (primarily) used to transform data and/or text. Kill doesn't transform text |
| 15:08.45 | bn` | I think xargs is the better solution |
| 15:09.02 | dcmg | FreeMe: see The C programming language by kerrighan and ritchie 7.1 Standard Input and Output |
| 15:09.08 | abrotman | FreeMe: what are you trying to kill? |
| 15:09.11 | abrotman | and why? |
| 15:09.23 | FreeMe | ps aux |
| 15:09.31 | abrotman | you're trying to kill ps aux ? |
| 15:09.37 | FreeMe | no wait |
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| 15:09.51 | FreeMe | that's i mistakenly pressed enter |
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| 15:09.59 | saivert | - Let the man finish his thought |
| 15:10.09 | ndak | hi |
| 15:10.12 | FreeMe | pidof chrome | kill -9 |
| 15:10.24 | FreeMe | for example |
| 15:10.26 | saivert | try : pkill chrome |
| 15:10.35 | ompaul | killall chrome |
| 15:10.36 | FreeMe | i know pidof chrome | xargs kill -9 |
| 15:10.42 | FreeMe | or killall chrome |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | FreeMe: kill -9 $(pgrep chrome) |
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| 15:11.30 | prbchld | please click and like this pic https://www.facebook.com/ExpressAutoService/photos/a.10150291220618566.355668.148122933565/10152422485743566/?type=1&theater |
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| 15:11.50 | buu | what |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | It's spam ... |
| 15:12.10 | buu | Thanks buddy |
| 15:12.22 | buu | It was however spectacularly unusual spam |
| 15:12.45 | abrotman | would imagine it's a malicious FB app |
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| 15:12.53 | FreeMe | okay but when im beginner, as i learned kill and piping then , i tried to kill chrome that way and it dint work |
| 15:12.54 | elichai2 | hey |
| 15:12.56 | ompaul | facebook as a vector |
| 15:13.02 | elichai2 | Package urxvt is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | elichai2: apt-cache search urxvt .. any options? |
| 15:13.31 | ompaul | FreeMe: ps auwx | grep chrome and work from there or use abrotman's line |
| 15:13.42 | elichai2 | colortest-python - utility to test color capabilities of terminal |
| 15:13.45 | elichai2 | yeahconsole - drop-down X terminal emulator wrapper |
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| 15:14.06 | FreeMe | and i had that doubt since 3 or 3 and half years, found this channel, thought of asking why it isn't working that way |
| 15:14.10 | FreeMe | that's it |
| 15:14.27 | elichai2 | abrotman: so? |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | elichai2: sorry, apt-cache search rxvt |
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| 15:14.52 | FreeMe | i use xargs personally for that matter [ i know alternatives, just curious as to why piping doesn't work ] thats it guys |
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| 15:15.20 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/iX9Ccb9Q |
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| 15:16.20 | elichai2 | abrotman: |
| 15:16.37 | abrotman | elichai2: |
| 15:16.57 | buu | FreeMe: The word is 'question' not 'doubt' |
| 15:17.05 | buu | Someday I'm going to find that translator and kill it |
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| 15:19.37 | dcmg | FreeMe: not all programs process data from stdin the same way |
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| 15:19.57 | elichai2 | abrotman: ? |
| 15:19.58 | dcmg | `echo hello | cat' verse `echo hello | echo' as i said, see chapter 7.1 in K&R |
| 15:20.02 | abrotman | elichai2: pick one, install it |
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| 15:20.09 | elichai2 | ohh ok |
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| 15:28.12 | FreeMe | vhosts /Cloaks |
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| 15:31.55 | dcmg | FreeMe: it depends on how you write the program. as long as it is trying to take input from stdin it is will work with a pipe. |
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| 15:35.06 | dcmg | `echo' for example, only operates on its arguments, whereas `cat' operates on either its arguments or stdin. |
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| 15:41.11 | xreal | Is pure "ntfs" on mount options faster than fuse "ntfs-3g" when I don't need writing? |
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| 15:45.18 | ectospasm | I'm trying to load a kwin script (for KDE), I run this command "plasmapkg --type kwinscript -i ." and I get "Could not find a suitable installer for package of type kwinscript". Does wheezy's KDE even support kwinscripts? |
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| 15:50.22 | Arrowmaster | is there a way to download packages that are still sitting in the new queue? some dependencies i need have been there for 5 days now |
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| 15:51.01 | antranigv | Hay there, anyone has Debian CD Covers for Debian 7.0 ? |
| 15:51.50 | dcmg | anyway, this shows how programs accepts input from pipes as default. |
| 15:51.52 | dcmg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.43 | dcmg | baically if it does not take the input, it was not designed to take input from stdin , but argv[] |
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| 15:53.30 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: what are you running? |
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| 15:53.52 | MrFrood | antranigv: https://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ |
| 15:54.02 | Arrowmaster | ompaul: testing/unstable/experimental mix |
| 15:54.27 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: have you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgraded it today? (not aptitude) |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | dcmg: you do realize he quit long ago and you're just rambling now? |
| 15:55.04 | Arrowmaster | i can see the packages still sitting in the new queue |
| 15:55.16 | dcmg | abrotman: it was for you so you could give better support |
| 15:55.25 | antranigv | MrFrood: there is no for Debian 7.x, it's too outdated |
| 15:55.26 | dcmg | i know you are an idiot, so i thought it would help |
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| 15:55.32 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: it might help me understand what you were doing if you answered a direct question. |
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| 15:55.59 | Arrowmaster | i havent done a dist-upgrade |
| 15:56.04 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: well do one. |
| 15:56.13 | ompaul | with apt-get please |
| 15:56.14 | Arrowmaster | its likely to break stuff |
| 15:56.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah it wants to remove my DE |
| 15:56.41 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: choose testing / sid but don't mix them too much |
| 15:56.51 | ompaul | !partial downgrade |
| 15:56.51 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 15:57.14 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: where too much = at all |
| 15:57.17 | Arrowmaster | cant downgrade because my DE doesnt work in testing anymore |
| 15:57.38 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: so rm testing from your sources and go sid |
| 15:57.54 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: and if you won't do that - welcome to the mess you won't solve |
| 15:57.56 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 15:57.56 | Arrowmaster | doesnt work in sid |
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| 15:58.32 | Arrowmaster | the packages were abandoned and a new maintainer took them over but not everything is in experimental yet because some are still sitting in the new queue |
| 15:58.36 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: so you have sources that don't match something and you won't dist-upgrade while running a mix of testing / sid - enjoy ] |
| 15:59.09 | Arrowmaster | the old packages are still there but not installable anymore due to their dependencies being removed from debian |
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| 16:00.08 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: ok, here is the deal, choose something that works install it or work on the bugs. You choose experimental and get burned by it, nobody but the maintainer is going to be familiar with the ins and outs of that. |
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| 16:01.24 | Arrowmaster | i want to try the experimental version but not all the required dependencies are available yet |
| 16:01.33 | Arrowmaster | guess i just have to wait |
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| 16:02.04 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: there is a great line in an old Rolling Stones song, You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime you find. You get what you need ... ;-) |
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| 16:07.39 | galex-713 | Hello, it’s really strange, trying to make another LaTeX presentation I get the error “LaTeX Error: File `beamer.cls' not found.” |
| 16:08.02 | galex-713 | Before it used to work… what could be the problem now? |
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| 16:09.06 | buu | I'm guessing, and this is purely wild and off the top of my head, that it can't find the file. |
| 16:09.33 | galex-713 | of course, but *Why* the file isn’t there? |
| 16:10.27 | buu | A) Something deleted it B) Something changed the search path C) permissions |
| 16:10.57 | galex-713 | The question is “What could be the ‘something’?” |
| 16:11.06 | galex-713 | ’cos before it used to work |
| 16:11.26 | buu | Am I supposed to know every change you've made to your system? |
| 16:11.51 | galex-713 | I never changed a such thing |
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| 16:12.13 | consfearacy | i just installed gnome package, i was using windowmaker.. now can i switch back to it when i want? |
| 16:12.31 | consfearacy | will i have to enable xdm and disable gdm? |
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| 16:12.51 | evanvarvell | ok i was banned from debian-ops........with no explaination |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | and? |
| 16:13.25 | armin | XemsDoom: your line-drawing characters in tmux look broken by the way. |
| 16:13.36 | abrotman | consgrr |
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| 16:14.07 | evanvarvell | something about 0 noise to my signal output |
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| 16:14.15 | abrotman | evanvarvell: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 16:14.44 | evanvarvell | only if you can change my ban status |
| 16:15.01 | abrotman | evanvarvell: I can, I won't. Do you need help with Debian? Otherwise, please be quiet. |
| 16:15.25 | evanvarvell | no i don'y nedd other help |
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| 16:18.05 | FreeMe | hello |
| 16:19.03 | evanvarvell | go ahead you have the floor |
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| 16:19.43 | abrotman | evanvarvell: Please be quiet, we already covered this |
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| 16:21.32 | FreeMe | how do i set up ftp server which i can acess through internet? |
| 16:21.42 | abrotman | FreeMe: install vsftpd |
| 16:22.15 | FreeMe | if i install vsftpd, then server will be on my system and i cant access it beyond my lan |
| 16:22.24 | abrotman | that's a firewall problem |
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| 16:22.34 | FreeMe | but i want my server to be accessible through internet |
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| 16:23.11 | FreeMe | are there any online ftp servers? aba_ |
| 16:23.20 | FreeMe | sorry i meant abrotman not aba_ |
| 16:23.27 | teraflops | uhm |
| 16:24.01 | abrotman | FreeMe: yes, so fix your firewall |
| 16:24.34 | FreeMe | i need an online storage just like dropbox, but to which i can ftp [ upload and download files ] |
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| 16:24.50 | FreeMe | abrotman, i need a location other than my system |
| 16:24.57 | BW^- | I'm on WHeezy, tried to install the new kernel but booting it fails - seems I need to make a new Initrd! |
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| 16:25.21 | rite | use sftp |
| 16:25.22 | FreeMe | not git or any of its counterparts please |
| 16:25.25 | rite | works out of the box |
| 16:25.29 | Procy0n | FreeMe, how much space do you need? How much are you willing to pay? |
| 16:25.32 | rite | download winscp and go from there. |
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| 16:27.12 | teraflops | FreeMe: grab a vps, look at lowendtalk and do whatever you want |
| 16:27.40 | FreeMe | you people aren't getting my problem exactly [ it might be my mistake ], i need an online ftp'able storage to which i can upload and dowload files through ftp |
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| 16:28.25 | abrotman | FreeMe: oh, you want someone else to give you a free FTP server? |
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| 16:28.34 | FreeMe | yes sort of abrotman |
| 16:28.38 | abrotman | FreeMe: Why do you need an FTP server at all? |
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| 16:29.37 | BW^- | how would you do to upgrade the kernel to a backported one on Wheezy? |
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| 16:30.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell BW^- about wheezy backports |
| 16:30.14 | FreeMe | hm , i'm working on openwrt routers and i have some applications in openwrt, those applications generate some data and i can't store that data onto my router as my router has only 4MB space on it |
| 16:30.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell BW^- about bdo kernel |
| 16:30.50 | abrotman | FreeMe: so put it on your computer, you don't need an outside ftp server |
| 16:30.51 | FreeMe | so i need to backup that generate data to some place |
| 16:31.59 | BW^- | abrotman: I already plugged in the backports, and did "aptitude install" of it! |
| 16:32.01 | FreeMe | so i may or may not be connected to that router everytime , if im not connected to the router, then data need to be sent somewhere for backup right? |
| 16:32.14 | BW^- | I get a GRUB menu item, and trying to boot into it fails, it complains that the UUID of my boot partition is unknown! |
| 16:32.40 | BW^- | to my best knowledge, this would mean that it indeed is running the new kernel, but that it's also having an INITRD image for the old kernel also, |
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| 16:32.43 | BW^- | so i need to remake it |
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| 16:33.37 | teraflops | BW^-: or simply see whats the current UUID and fix it, if thats the real problem |
| 16:34.12 | FreeMe | see this is the application that i'm talking about https://code.google.com/p/wrtbwmon/ |
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| 16:35.43 | BW^- | teraflops: looking at the /etc/fstab , there is no issue! |
| 16:35.46 | BW^- | i think maybe the issue is this: |
| 16:35.49 | FreeMe | abrotman, see wiki page on deploying there |
| 16:35.52 | BW^- | the boot medium is a USB SD card adapter |
| 16:35.57 | BW^- | perhaps the new kernel has some issue |
| 16:36.08 | teraflops | BW^-: but did you check the UUID is correct? |
| 16:36.52 | BW^- | teraflops: with the old kernel, the boot works perfectly |
| 16:36.55 | BW^- | isn't that proof? |
| 16:36.57 | BW^- | anyhow I can check |
| 16:36.57 | teraflops | BW^-: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 16:37.07 | abrotman | FreeMe: I'm trying to figure out what tthis has to do with Debian |
| 16:37.34 | phogg | FreeMe: Still not seeing anything that requires FTP |
| 16:37.49 | teraflops | nop |
| 16:38.09 | FreeMe | Snardbafulators, what r u trying to explain? |
| 16:38.14 | FreeMe | is Snardbafulators bot? |
| 16:38.20 | phogg | Spam from Snardbafulators, I presume we all got it. |
| 16:38.28 | FreeMe | ban him then |
| 16:38.33 | FreeMe | or her |
| 16:38.33 | FreeMe | or it |
| 16:38.34 | FreeMe | :P |
| 16:38.35 | BW^- | teraflops: yeah it's there! |
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| 16:38.55 | BW^- | teraflops: so then I guess the issue is that the kernel in the INITRD doesn't support my SD adapter? |
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| 16:39.14 | BW^- | teraflops: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ shows one item: 2ef....2e5 |
| 16:39.18 | BW^- | that's how it should be |
| 16:39.19 | teraflops | then there is another issue |
| 16:39.32 | teraflops | so i said "if tahe the real problem" |
| 16:39.36 | teraflops | that* |
| 16:39.48 | BW^- | right |
| 16:39.59 | BW^- | teraflops: what about re-making the INITRD; is that supposed to be part of installing a new kernel? |
| 16:40.11 | BW^- | apart from aptitude install linux-image.32something |
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| 16:40.42 | teraflops | BW^-: are you in arm? |
| 16:40.50 | BW^- | teraflops: no AMD64! |
| 16:40.53 | teraflops | ah |
| 16:41.00 | BW^- | just that it's booting from an USB SD card adapter that's all! |
| 16:41.17 | BW^- | the VMWare host can't boot directly so I use a PLOP ISO however that should be all transparent |
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| 16:41.35 | BW^- | as soon as this works, i'll actually boot the machine off it |
| 16:41.36 | BW^- | raw |
| 16:41.42 | dsg | I'm making a package, and I need it to prevent per-user pulseaudio from being started (because it start it with a different configuration). Is there a good way to do this? Obviously I can't just go messing with /etc/pulse/default.pa which is not owned by my package. |
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| 16:43.21 | evanvarvell | Do you mind if I ask why i was banned from debian-offtopic and debian-ops?.............the second question is how long does a ban last for? |
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| 16:44.01 | teraflops | BW^-: i dont know if that will help you https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick#Installation_on_external_flash_drive:_overview |
| 16:44.09 | abrotman | evanvarvell: This channel is for tech support. |
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| 16:45.18 | FreeMe | abrotman, please look into my problem |
| 16:45.43 | abrotman | FreeMe: I asked you how it's related to Debian |
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| 16:46.51 | FreeMe | oh so its off-topic, okay :) |
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| 16:48.25 | sukeruke | hello i would like to ask some info about debian and linux in general, would someone care to pm me? |
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| 16:49.14 | BW^-_ | teraflops: diss sorry |
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| 16:49.31 | teraflops | uhm |
| 16:49.38 | xreal | Do I need to add usbmount to /etc/init.d or something? |
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| 16:50.06 | mdim | hi folks! I need to setup skype on Debian Wheezy, x86-64. Is chroot a viable approach? |
| 16:50.23 | BW^-_ | teraflops: lessee, so "dmesg | grep sda" on the working kernel gives me "7.74GB" etc., so that works |
| 16:50.27 | BW^-_ | now let's reboot and see. |
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| 16:50.51 | ectospasm | I've got logwatch running on a Debian router, and the iptables report lists all of the IP addresses that were blocked. It makes the report really long. I can't seem to figure out how to summarize that section of the report. |
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| 16:51.05 | teraflops | good luck BW^-_ |
| 16:51.06 | teraflops | ;) |
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| 16:51.46 | mtn | sukeruke: just ask your questions in the channel |
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| 16:52.14 | BW^-_ | teraflops: so, the bootup kernel *does* find the "USBCORE" I guess that's like the USB root hub, and it *does* find my SD card adapter USB device, but.. |
| 16:52.16 | sukeruke | mtn: dont want to |
| 16:52.17 | mtn | mdim: did you read the debian wiki on skype? |
| 16:52.19 | BW^-_ | i think it lacks the driver for it! |
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| 16:52.47 | BW^-_ | anyhow no SDA there. |
| 16:52.48 | NightmareLord | hiya all |
| 16:52.53 | mtn | sukeruke: ok, but that is how these channels work. that way more than one set of eyes sees the question and can give answers. |
| 16:53.15 | teraflops | BW^-_: im not sure but may be you neeed to add the proper line on the mkinitcpio.conf |
| 16:53.26 | NightmareLord | lets say you have a debian on a usb stick |
| 16:53.28 | BW^-_ | hmm aha |
| 16:53.29 | BW^-_ | like what? |
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| 16:53.51 | teraflops | i dont know, someting related to that device |
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| 16:53.52 | sukeruke | that is right but i am not feeling comfortamble cause i dont know a thing about linux mtn |
| 16:53.53 | NightmareLord | And you have partition to boot cd and main distro on it |
| 16:54.22 | mtn | sukeruke: don't feel shy. we all started by not knowing much. just ask your question and let's see if we can help. |
| 16:54.41 | mtn | sukeruke: or point you in the right direction |
| 16:54.43 | mdim | mtn: I don't want to install it in my main system |
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| 16:54.53 | BW^-_ | teraflops: wait, so on this broken-boot with new kernel, there *is* a /lib/modules3.13-0.bpo.i686 directory |
| 16:54.59 | BW^-_ | now lessee, 3.13w ould be the... OLD kernel right? |
| 16:55.01 | BW^-_ | that could explain |
| 16:55.10 | BW^-_ | why my new kernel isn't getting the drivers |
| 16:55.12 | BW^-_ | modules |
| 16:55.21 | sukeruke | well the question is simple: "what are the advantages of using linux comparing to windows or macintosh?" |
| 16:55.28 | mdim | mtn: and since the skype package is for i386, and I have an x86-64 host, chroot sounds like a good idea to me |
| 16:55.29 | NightmareLord | i have a boot usb question |
| 16:55.49 | BW^-_ | so then, how do you get a proper INITRD for a new kernl? |
| 16:55.53 | mtn | sukeruke: too general for this channel, but there are many websites that can answer that question |
| 16:55.54 | teraflops | BW^-_: afaik when you add something to mkinitcpio.conf you net to update/rebuilt the initrd |
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| 16:56.01 | teraflops | net/need |
| 16:56.04 | NightmareLord | if i install thw live cd on a usb and then make a partition for permanence |
| 16:56.18 | BW^-_ | teraflops: in what package is the mkinitfs or alike? |
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| 16:56.26 | sukeruke | mtn: oh right that is why i wanted to pm |
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| 16:56.47 | NightmareLord | can i still use the usb stick for storage? |
| 16:56.55 | teraflops | im not on a debian now but i think is something update-initramfs or mkinit-whatever |
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| 16:57.38 | NightmareLord | 😢 anyone tried boot usb install? |
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| 16:58.16 | teraflops | !tell teraflops mkinitcpio |
| 16:58.20 | robert85 | why does avahi / cups keep die-ing? What is error code -49? I am trying to airprint through cups but avahi is not happy :-( http://paste.debian.net/97400/ and http://paste.debian.net/97402/ |
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| 16:59.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell teraflops about selftell |
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| 16:59.39 | BW^- | teraflops: however, "aptitude install" of it says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded." |
| 16:59.40 | teraflops | thaks abrotman |
| 16:59.42 | teraflops | uhm |
| 16:59.47 | BW^- | !tell teraflops mkinitcpio |
| 16:59.50 | abrotman | ... |
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| 16:59.53 | BW^- | sorry might have mistaken sth |
| 17:00.01 | BW^- | !tell BW^- mkinitcpio |
| 17:00.04 | abrotman | please stop |
| 17:00.07 | BW^- | why can't i instlal the new modules? |
| 17:00.46 | teraflops | im on pv now abrotman |
| 17:00.51 | BW^- | teraflops: no "initcpio" on my machine |
| 17:00.57 | teraflops | sorry for the disruption |
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| 17:03.43 | BW^-_ | why doesn't "aptitude install linux-modules-3.2.0-4-amd64" install that package?? |
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| 17:04.00 | BW^-_ | aha, it's a virtual package, already installed.. hm |
| 17:04.21 | BW^-_ | right, and indeed on my FS they are in /lib/modules/ |
| 17:04.26 | BW^-_ | right, so I just need to remake the INITRD then |
| 17:04.55 | Nik05 | BW^-_ the modules are in linux-image |
| 17:05.01 | abrotman | it does that when you install the package |
| 17:05.02 | BW^-_ | exactly |
| 17:05.05 | BW^-_ | wait, the new kernel *is |
| 17:05.12 | BW^-_ | * 3.13, and that's what my initrd has modules for! |
| 17:05.13 | teraflops | BW^-_: i just said may be you need the sd hook on your initramfs |
| 17:05.13 | BW^-_ | umm. |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | if you need to update the initramfs again, use the update-initramfs |
| 17:05.17 | teraflops | jasu gesing |
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| 17:05.22 | BW^-_ | in what module could the USB SD card adapater be? |
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| 17:05.37 | Nik05 | update-initramfs -vu |
| 17:05.41 | teraflops | thats not module related |
| 17:05.50 | teraflops | BW^-_: https://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
| 17:05.52 | BW^-_ | abrotman: in what package is update-initramfs? |
| 17:06.28 | Nik05 | BW^-_ initramfs-tools, but you can also find this with the package apt-file |
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| 17:06.34 | abrotman | BW^-_: it's already installed |
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| 17:06.53 | BW^-_ | nik05: in what package is "apt-file"? =) |
| 17:06.58 | BW^-_ | i have a minimal install! |
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| 17:07.20 | abrotman | it's already installed .. did you try to run the command? |
| 17:07.21 | Nik05 | BW^-_ read my sentence again, it already says the package |
| 17:07.51 | BW^-_ | yep gotcha, installing that now, and uninstalling "dracut" |
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| 17:09.36 | BW^-_ | great, "update-initramfs -k all -u -t", to Update for all Kernels, and it needs the Take over argument to actually do the work |
| 17:09.53 | BW^-_ | "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/sda1" - hope is no issue |
| 17:10.03 | BW^-_ | ok this is progress, lessee |
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| 17:18.28 | BW^- | YAY! it booted!! |
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| 17:18.33 | BW^- | nik05,teraflops: thanks!! |
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| 17:18.57 | teraflops | nice |
| 17:19.07 | BW^- | so the latter update-initramfs was the key |
| 17:19.10 | teraflops | yw BW^- |
| 17:19.15 | BW^- | (y) |
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| 17:34.39 | Kalidarn | updating to sid :D |
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| 17:35.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kalidarn -about sid faq |
| 17:35.37 | Kalidarn | yes i know ;) it's a vm |
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| 17:35.56 | Kalidarn | i just thought someone would tell me not to kill the kittens |
| 17:36.11 | babilen | You should *never* kill kittens |
| 17:36.14 | Kalidarn | a vm with the only purpose of backporting packages |
| 17:36.30 | babilen | Why would you need a sid vm for backporting? |
| 17:36.41 | Kalidarn | because i don't actually run debian on my host |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | that doesn't even make sense |
| 17:36.56 | Kalidarn | but i want to build said packages maybe :) |
| 17:36.57 | babilen | Kalidarn: Still, why would you require a sid vm for backporting? |
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| 17:37.24 | Kalidarn | well technically it's not completely sid, most of it is wheezy i guess |
| 17:37.35 | Kalidarn | but not in a minute :) |
| 17:37.42 | babilen | Kalidarn: Why *any* unstable packages then? |
| 17:37.55 | Kalidarn | because i can |
| 17:38.21 | babilen | It doesn't make sense at all. You completely defeat the purpose if your aim is backporting packages to wheezy. |
| 17:38.33 | Kalidarn | hmm that's true actually |
| 17:38.44 | Kalidarn | if it's built against sid libs it wont be of much use |
| 17:38.51 | babilen | ... |
| 17:38.56 | babilen | lets that sink in |
| 17:39.16 | Kalidarn | as in if i updated the VM first to sid, then tried building, those packages probably would not work on wheezy :P |
| 17:39.27 | Kalidarn | would they, so that's why i usually only get the build deps from sid that i absolutely need |
| 17:39.36 | babilen | yes, they would have been build for unstable |
| 17:39.44 | Kalidarn | indeed |
| 17:39.49 | abrotman | I bet there are simple docs about creating your own backports |
| 17:39.57 | Kalidarn | yeah i am following one |
| 17:40.14 | Kalidarn | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_backport_a_sid_package_to_testing_or_stable.3F |
| 17:40.26 | babilen | Kalidarn: Look into sbuild and configure a proper build environment if you have to do this often or use a wheezy VM + wheezy-backports if you prefer that/find it easer |
| 17:40.31 | babilen | *easier |
| 17:40.43 | Kalidarn | yeah i might do that |
| 17:40.57 | babilen | Kalidarn: That advice assumes that you are running wheezy |
| 17:41.10 | Kalidarn | yes which it is :P |
| 17:41.18 | Kalidarn | didn't let it pull the data off my isp's mirror :P |
| 17:41.39 | Kalidarn | i might continue it after to see if it boots |
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| 17:43.07 | Kalidarn | i wonder if it's possible to do a build installation in a chroot type setup on something that isn't even debian |
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| 17:43.16 | Kalidarn | like for example ubuntu. |
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| 17:44.37 | Kalidarn | babilen: that would be ideal. |
| 17:45.12 | Kalidarn | https://zaufi.github.io/administration/2012/09/02/howto-make-a-debian-chroot/ |
| 17:45.17 | Kalidarn | anyone tried that recently |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | you? |
| 17:45.41 | babilen | Kalidarn: Yes, look into sbuild |
| 17:45.43 | Kalidarn | i don't think it works cross-distribution though |
| 17:46.14 | Kalidarn | ah thanks babilen that looks to be a better idea |
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| 17:52.30 | thnee | when accessing a git repo over samba, all the permissions are different than on the actual file system, for example: http://paste.debian.net/97408/ |
| 17:52.44 | elichai2 | looking for new terminal |
| 17:52.51 | elichai2 | good fonts |
| 17:52.57 | elichai2 | with right click menu |
| 17:53.12 | elichai2 | dosen't need gnome/kde packages |
| 17:53.58 | thnee | elichai2: I use urxvt-256color-unicode with the Ubuntu font and infinitality |
| 17:54.09 | jlu | good evening, trying to connect to a debian jessie with ssh using putty. but I get always access denied and a wrong password message in auth.log |
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| 17:54.49 | jlu | i cheked the password and it isn't wrong. |
| 17:54.54 | elichai2 | thnee: it's support right click menu? |
| 17:55.05 | thnee | elichai2: no, ew ;) |
| 17:56.02 | elichai2 | too bad |
| 17:56.11 | elichai2 | i'm looking for one that support right click menu |
| 17:56.26 | thnee | gnome-terminal is the default |
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| 17:56.35 | BW^- | where's my regulatory.bin file for wifi? |
| 17:56.50 | BW^- | I have the crda and wireless-regdb packages installed |
| 17:56.53 | BW^- | it's supposed to be in /usr/lib/crda/regulatory.bin but is not there |
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| 18:18.11 | AnimalFarmPig | I'm thinking about running kFreeBSD on a laptop with nvidia graphics. Searching packages it looks like nvidia-kernel-dkms comes up as available under kfreebsd-amd64. Does this mean nvidia support on kFreeBSD? |
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| 18:19.34 | centrx | AnimalFarmPig, I only see it on amd64, not kfreebsd-amd64? |
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| 18:20.18 | AnimalFarmPig | centrx, woah, you're right. I've somehow messed up while searching packages |
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| 18:20.22 | TMcTrain | hi, I think something is wrong with my permission settings I do want a directory /shares/Maildir with access for vmail:vmail and permission 774 |
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| 18:20.51 | centrx | AnimalFarmPig, Surely the graphics card will at least work minimally with VGA, without any special drivers |
| 18:21.01 | AnimalFarmPig | it's weird, package comes up with this search-- https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=kfreebsd-amd64&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia |
| 18:21.12 | TMcTrain | but when su vmail I do have no access to directory "/shares/Maildir" how can that be? |
| 18:21.42 | centrx | AnimalFarmPig, The virtual package is probably considered as being on all architectures |
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| 18:22.13 | AnimalFarmPig | centrx, yeah, it will work, but likely not at the native monitor resolution |
| 18:22.22 | AnimalFarmPig | centrx, that's probably what happened |
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| 18:27.22 | coreutilsomg | Hi all, I am trying to upgrade my system. coreutils package is giving me dpkg errors, however. When I try to upgrade it, it ssays that the symbolic link /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz does not exist |
| 18:29.26 | wols | coreutilsomg: show us the full output of the command you write that errors including the command |
| 18:29.50 | coreutilsomg | wols: I tried running "apt install coreutils > error.log" but the specific dpkg error lines for some reason are not saved |
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| 18:30.06 | coreutilsomg | Otherwise I would pastebinit for you |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | coreutilsomg: upgrde from what to what? |
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| 18:30.18 | abrotman | coreutilsomg: use the 'script' command |
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| 18:30.35 | coreutilsomg | Well I made a stupid mistake and am trying to recover from it |
| 18:30.43 | coreutilsomg | I am running sid which is normally fine |
| 18:31.48 | ompaul | coreutilsomg: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade gets you to where? |
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| 18:32.03 | abrotman | "normally fine" |
| 18:32.11 | coreutilsomg | ompaul: Error about coreutils |
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| 18:35.26 | jlu | I have a problem trying to connect to a debian machine through ssh. if I try it remote it say failed password, if I try it local it works fine, any ideas? |
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| 18:37.52 | ompaul | coreutilsomg: you haven't told us what this "mistake" was |
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| 18:38.11 | abrotman | jlu: which user? |
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| 18:38.48 | jlu | abrotman: a normal user |
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| 18:39.14 | ompaul | jlu: how remote is it, are they on the same network? |
| 18:39.33 | jlu | ompaul: yes same subnet |
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| 18:44.22 | ompaul | jlu: ssh -vvv user@ipaddress and see how you go |
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| 18:44.35 | ompaul | jlu: I have to head off but that will tell you what happens |
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| 18:46.42 | jlu | ompaul: I using putty on the remote mahine |
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| 18:52.40 | gaasfet | problem with booting after dist upgrade, fails at "nvidiafb: cannot ioremap FB base". I suspect the "systemd" is failing |
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| 18:53.04 | gaasfet | system is now useless, cannot even get a shell |
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| 18:53.45 | coreutilsomg | wols: abrotman: Here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/26MDt8Xg |
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| 18:54.14 | mtn | gaasfet: upgrade from what to what? |
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| 18:55.46 | coreutilsomg | I was able to upgrade the man-db package fine |
| 18:55.51 | wols | coreutilsomg: so the file doesn't exist? |
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| 18:56.20 | coreutilsomg | wols: It seems to be a directory |
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| 18:56.36 | coreutilsomg | Or rather a symbolic link |
| 18:56.54 | gaasfet | mtn: jessie sid 3.13 a few days ago |
| 18:57.16 | coreutilsomg | wols: http://pastebin.com/QAFL7ieA |
| 18:57.44 | mtn | gaasfet: sid support is at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. they will be much better at helping with sid |
| 18:57.51 | gaasfet | OK |
| 18:57.57 | gaasfet | mtn: |
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| 18:58.26 | abrotman | coreutilsomg: so fix the dangling symlnk |
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| 18:58.52 | gaasfet | mtn: thanks |
| 18:58.59 | mtn | gaasfet: yw |
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| 18:59.34 | coreutilsomg | abrotman: I see, I just did |
| 18:59.48 | coreutilsomg | Now there's another one! [.1.gz this time |
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| 19:00.04 | coreutilsomg | Are these all owned by the same package? Can I fix multiple dangling symlinks at once, abrotman? |
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| 19:01.11 | coreutilsomg | Ohhh nevermind! |
| 19:01.17 | coreutilsomg | That was the last one... coreutils is upgraded! |
| 19:01.18 | coreutilsomg | Yay! |
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| 19:06.39 | BW^-_ | wpa_supplicant tells me "association request to the driver failed" when I use debian from scratch. the password I try to connect with works on a Kali installation as vmware guest! any clue how resolve? |
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| 19:18.19 | Jemt | Please help me find my lost cron job! |
| 19:18.26 | Jemt | Can someone help me figure out what's executing my backup shell script? I set it up 2 years ago, and it works great. I just can't remember what's causing it to run every night. No cron job have been set (checked cron jobs for all users using: for user in $(cut -f1 -d: /etc/passwd); do crontab -u $user -l; done). I also checked checked the syslog for entries such as "Backup" which is the name of my shell script: cat /var/log/syslog | grep |
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| 19:19.05 | Jemt | I'm using ispconfig for my server, so I made sure no cron jobs has been registered in the control panel either. Finally I'm currently searching the entire hard drive for symbolic links to the file using: find -L / -samefile /home/jemt/Backup |
| 19:19.22 | Jemt | No luck so far. Any suggestions ? |
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| 19:20.25 | xingu | Jemt: /etc/cron.*/*, /etc/crontab? |
| 19:21.46 | Jemt | xingu: Checking :) |
| 19:23.07 | Jemt | What?! It was located in /etc/crontab. Why doesn't it show up when I do: crontab -l |
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| 19:23.18 | Jemt | (as the user owning the cron job) |
| 19:23.32 | xingu | Jemt: anacron vs bsd/sysv cron -isms |
| 19:24.11 | xingu | Jemt: the great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from |
| 19:24.12 | Jemt | Sorry ? |
| 19:24.15 | Jemt | Hehe |
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| 19:24.59 | Jemt | I think I'm using Anacron |
| 19:25.04 | Jemt | Yes, I do |
| 19:25.33 | Jemt | Any idea why "cron -l" doesn't list my job ? |
| 19:25.43 | Jemt | It's totally unreliable |
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| 19:26.26 | teraflops | crontab -l? |
| 19:26.38 | Jemt | It lists all cron jobs for the current user |
| 19:26.58 | Jemt | Well, !should! |
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| 19:29.41 | Jemt | Anyways, thank you, xingu |
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| 19:48.42 | robert85 | why does avahi / cups keep die-ing? What is error code -49? I am trying to airprint through cups but avahi is not happy :-( http://paste.debian.net/97400/ and http://paste.debian.net/97402/ |
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| 20:22.37 | X-Sleepy-X | When I try to add a new printer I get this message: "FirewallD is not running. Network printer detection needs services mdns, ipp, ipp-client and samba-client enabled on firewall." |
| 20:23.21 | X-Sleepy-X | This renders me unable to add another printer the same way as I did before and I'm guessing it's due to an update. |
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| 20:24.26 | X-Sleepy-X | I have managed to work around this issue by installing "system-config-printer" but that should not be a needed step. |
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| 20:24.30 | mtn | X-Sleepy-X: which version of debian? |
| 20:24.55 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: Wheezy 7.5 and CUPS 1.5.3 |
| 20:25.32 | mtn | X-Sleepy-X: doesn't sound normal at all to me. |
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| 20:26.33 | mdim | is there a way to mount-bind only one device instead of the whole /dev? |
| 20:26.53 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: Yeah, but it's the same behaviour in my newly installed Debian in VirtualBox. I tested it there since I didn't had this issue before... |
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| 20:27.24 | mtn | X-Sleepy-X: how are you trying to add the printer when you get that message? |
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| 20:27.59 | melt7777 | Is there any way to control or force Linux 64-bit PCIe enumeration? |
| 20:28.21 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: I open the system settings and choose printers and then unlock it with my password and press the + icon. That's when I get the message... |
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| 20:28.49 | mtn | X-Sleepy-X: very strange. haven't seen that happen on debian stable |
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| 20:30.30 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: I had a printer already added, so it seems to be coming from an update or something since the behaviour appears in a fresh installation as well. |
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| 20:31.45 | mtn | X-Sleepy-X: ok, I just tried it and saw the message, but it found my printer and had no errors. maybe it is just a warning and not important? |
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| 20:33.19 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: Nope, I can't get it to find my printer, no matter what I select or type in as address. I know I can add the printer since I've done it before and also since I could add it through system-config-printer... |
| 20:34.50 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: Also, once added through system-config-printer, it shows up in the other place but the message is still there... |
| 20:35.17 | X-Sleepy-X | mtn: Which version are you running? |
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| 20:37.40 | X-Sleepy-X | I will try to replicate the error tomorrow at work and see if it's the same issue there. |
| 20:38.34 | X-Sleepy-X | Should be interesting since I keep those two systems very similar, except for some minor differences... |
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| 20:43.26 | tomdp | I've got a silly question. I noticed that whenever I try to cat or dd /dev/mem (as root), I get an "Operation not permitted" error, yet exactly 1024KB of memory does get read. What causes this behavior? Why are those first 1024KB read, when reading the rest of the file isn't permitted? How do memory analysis tools work around this? |
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| 20:47.06 | anonbot | Hello everyone, I have a question |
| 20:47.20 | anonbot | is there a version of tails 64 bit? |
| 20:47.32 | anonbot | when I try to download, its downloading a file for 32 bit systems |
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| 20:48.30 | centrx | !tails |
| 20:48.30 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:49.58 | anonbot | oh, alright then |
| 20:50.03 | anonbot | thanks for your time :) |
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| 20:57.36 | chitose | i want to get a driver for my intel 7260. (ucode file is from http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi)... What are my next steps? I am on the debian-testing which uses the necessary 3.13 kernel for that driver |
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| 20:58.14 | abrotman | chitose: did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package? |
| 20:58.37 | chitose | no i did not |
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| 20:58.54 | abrotman | chitose: that's a good start |
| 20:58.56 | chitose | does the firmware-iwlwifi package change based on the repository list i have? |
| 20:59.09 | abrotman | yes? |
| 20:59.10 | chitose | i didn't want to take any steps until i know for sure because i had to reinstall |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | you have to enable the non-free repo, and then install the package |
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| 21:01.45 | HD|Laptop | can i change the vt displayed on a monitor from ssh? |
| 21:02.23 | abrotman | chvt .. maybe? |
| 21:03.57 | HD|Laptop | abrotman: cool! can I also blank the vt entirely? i'm running omxplayer on a pi which writes directly to the framebuffer |
| 21:04.12 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: xset perhaps? |
| 21:04.18 | HD|Laptop | and theres that nasty console login on it |
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| 21:05.22 | HD|Laptop | there dont appear any options related to that on it |
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| 21:06.12 | azswa | hello, would you know how to use zip with * but exclude hidden files? Thanks |
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| 21:06.33 | abrotman | zip the directory instead of the files? |
| 21:09.34 | azswa | abrotman> zipping the whole directory will also include the hidden files |
| 21:09.57 | abrotman | oh, exclude, sorry |
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| 21:11.48 | abrotman | azswa: use -x to exclude certain fails? |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | file |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | files ... |
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| 21:16.25 | azswa | abrotman> sorry I was checking on the manual the syntax, I am gonna try now by excluding all files ending by a tilda |
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| 21:18.19 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 21:19.02 | sideup66 | im having problem with a raid array in my server box, im looking at it through disc utility in debian 7.4, and it shows my array is on but degraded because i had to go fiddle with some wiring inside the box and accidentally booted the system with the drive disconnected |
| 21:19.13 | sideup66 | well its connected now, but when i go to edit the component to re-add the device |
| 21:19.46 | azswa | abrotman> works with -x \*~ |
| 21:19.48 | azswa | tHANKS |
| 21:19.51 | azswa | Thanks |
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| 21:20.18 | sideup66 | it tells it would throw up the error that one of the drives is being held |
| 21:20.27 | sideup66 | it is unmounted, any dependant service is stopped |
| 21:20.34 | sideup66 | i dont know what is still possibly talking to it |
| 21:20.43 | sideup66 | i even pulled the array offline temporarily to see what happened |
| 21:20.56 | Sh1G3rU | thank you |
| 21:20.57 | kingsley | FYI: David Wheeler explains how to prevent the next HeartBleed vulnerability at http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/heartbleed.html |
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| 21:21.08 | sideup66 | one or more block devices are holding /dev/sdb1? |
| 21:21.16 | HD|Laptop | how can I get the pid of a just started process? |
| 21:21.22 | HD|Laptop | omxplayer "rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_1600" & && echo $! > /tmp/pid gives me a syntax error |
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| 21:21.28 | HD|Laptop | unexpected && |
| 21:21.44 | HD|Laptop | problem is i need the pid of omxplayer to kill it later... |
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| 21:25.50 | abrotman | HD|Laptop: try a ; instead of && |
| 21:25.51 | sideup66 | could i just nuke one of the drives (they are identical) |
| 21:25.59 | sideup66 | then just bring up the system again and re-add it? |
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| 21:28.08 | ctmjr | HD|Laptop: ps aux | grep -i omxplayer > pid.txt |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | ctmjr: pgrep ? |
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| 21:31.17 | ctmjr | abrotman: show off |
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| 21:31.43 | abrotman | ctmjr: besides yours would give all sorts of other info, not just the PID |
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| 21:45.27 | fmost | hello |
| 21:45.50 | fmost | i have been looking for a while for a tool to manage the max cpu frequency using intel_pstate |
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| 21:46.03 | vikstrous | Hey guys, I'm considering switching some servers from centos to debian. Where is a good place to read about the differences between debian and centos for running servers? |
| 21:46.18 | fmost | after some googling it seems ubuntu has something called cpupower, but i cannot seem to find anything equivalent in debian repositories |
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| 21:47.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vikstrous about why debian |
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| 21:48.31 | abrotman | vikstrous: Did you have specific questions ? |
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| 21:51.37 | vikstrous | abrotman: Well, there are a few things I need to look into: can I use system v init scripts? What are the differences from centos in daemonizing things, managing logs, etc. How likely is it that I can run cool new things like logstash more or less out of the box? |
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| 21:53.08 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 21:53.12 | sideup66 | i already got it |
| 21:53.15 | sideup66 | so thanks already |
| 21:53.18 | sideup66 | how are you abrotman |
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| 21:53.50 | abrotman | ... |
| 21:54.41 | abrotman | vikstrous: logstash runs on Java, so as long as you have a supported version of java, shouldn't bve a problem. You can use sysv init scripts. Not sure what you mean about managing logs, logrotate still exists, etc |
| 21:55.31 | sideup66 | now from the shell i need to find how to set the autologin for gdm3, it doesnt always run but remote desktop requires a login |
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| 21:55.39 | sideup66 | so when launched it needs to load it automatically |
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| 21:57.37 | vikstrous | abrotman: How long are debian releases supported? I saw that centos has 10 year support on old releases, but I haven't found a number like this for debian. Based on the release times of revisions on the wiki article it looks like 5 years? |
| 21:57.54 | vikstrous | or 4? |
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| 21:58.43 | abrotman | vikstrous: They're trying something of an LTS for squeeze, this is new. |
| 21:58.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vikstrous about squeeze-lts |
| 21:59.12 | vikstrous | actually I saw it now... feb 2016 |
| 21:59.20 | abrotman | vikstrous: Obviously the current wheezy is still supported |
| 21:59.29 | abrotman | erm .. current stable, wheezy, is supported |
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| 22:00.34 | vikstrous | okay, so there is no specific date planned for wheezy |
| 22:00.53 | sideup66 | hotdog got that too |
| 22:01.00 | sideup66 | ok now im cooking with gas... |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | vikstrous: not as of yet |
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| 22:01.14 | abrotman | vikstrous: this won't bve known until wheezy is 'oldstable' |
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| 22:01.43 | abrotman | vikstrous: that being said, the development process for future releases is pretty open, and you can test transitions pretty easily |
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| 22:02.40 | vikstrous | okay, LTS is not that important for me, but I assumed that it exists because debian is known for being rock solid |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | just a way to have longer support . |
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| 22:03.08 | abrotman | in general, a release would be supported for three years or so, two years of being stable, one year as oldstable |
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| 22:03.23 | abrotman | (historically) |
| 22:03.40 | zinx | (note that you can upgrade from oldstable to stable fairly painlessly in general) |
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| 22:04.01 | abrotman | release notes, test upgrades, and all that |
| 22:04.30 | sideup66 | abrotman: how extreme is the change from debian wheezy to jessie expected to be, obviously a new version and their leaving gnome as the default desktop for xfce |
| 22:04.44 | abrotman | sideup66: Jessie isn't done yet .. won't know til that becomes more firm |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | isn't sure why gnome vs xfce matters at all |
| 22:05.04 | zinx | sideup66: oldstable->stable is typically not very extreme... changes to defaults will not affect you. |
| 22:05.09 | vikstrous | Okay. Thanks, abortman :) |
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| 22:06.04 | sideup66 | abrotman, it isnt, my system is established, so the upgrade to the new will be in place honestly |
| 22:06.16 | sideup66 | it wont be clean, i have a running system (home server) with existing configuration |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | vikstrous: anything else? |
| 22:06.38 | sideup66 | zinx thanks |
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| 22:07.43 | Stanto | I'm trying to setup tightvncserver to auto start by creating an init.d script; but it doesn't appear to be executing the script - when I start the service manually after login it works. What could I be overlooking ? |
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| 22:09.55 | sideup66 | ok back to playing with this later |
| 22:09.58 | sideup66 | c ya folks |
| 22:10.12 | vikstrous | abrotman: Not right now. I'll come back if I need any more info/help. |
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| 22:15.08 | chitose | hrmm.. i am getting a grub error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod that ive never seen before when i boot up (i installed from usb last time, and it worked fine) |
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| 22:16.03 | chitose | im pretty sure this has to do with something about my bios and/or EFI secure boot |
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| 22:16.53 | zumba_ad_ | hey guys, what is the chkconfig equivalent in debian? |
| 22:17.46 | phogg | zumba_ad_: What does chkconfig do? |
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| 22:18.03 | zumba_ad_ | oh, sorry, it list the start up script filesnames and their runlevels |
| 22:18.10 | phogg | Seems like there is a chkconfig for Debian |
| 22:18.12 | zumba_ad_ | i would like to know what ftp server is being used |
| 22:18.33 | zumba_ad_ | rather than guessing with lsof |grep ftp |
| 22:18.38 | abrotman | zumba_ad_: rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 22:18.44 | zumba_ad_ | ok |
| 22:18.51 | zumba_ad_ | so rrconf will display it? |
| 22:19.04 | abrotman | not sure, I don't use it .. I generally know when I've installed a daemon :) |
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| 22:19.25 | phogg | This is for a system run by another person, I presume. |
| 22:19.25 | lubeznpubez | hello |
| 22:19.37 | lubeznpubez | are there any intel graphics driver for debian wheezy? |
| 22:19.42 | lubeznpubez | the ubuntu one doesnt seem to work |
| 22:20.00 | abrotman | there are plenty of intel graphics drivers .. please be less vague |
| 22:20.11 | lubeznpubez | intel graphics display driver x64 |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | ... |
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| 22:20.24 | abrotman | Trendrrrr: turn that off |
| 22:20.43 | lubeznpubez | for hd graphics 5000 ? |
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| 22:21.13 | abrotman | don't know .. I do'nt have one. |
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| 22:21.39 | abrotman | check the docs, see when that device was added to the driver, check the driver version in Wheezy |
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| 22:27.05 | HicksD | with a bridged interface between eth0 and wlan0 (using bridge_utils), is it possible to setup firewall rules that only apply to connections coming in from wlan0? or would it require setting up as separate subnets instead of bridged to do that? |
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| 22:27.36 | phy1729 | abrotman: natttw currently in #freenode can't join because of a ban on 176.96.167.187 what should I tell him? |
| 22:29.11 | zumba_ad_ | I was trying to help a friend using a hosted debian server. He wants to see ftp traffic. So I gave him a script but it doesn't work. Netstat output was empty |
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| 22:29.48 | zumba_ad_ | lsof |grep LISTEN didn't produce any output too |
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| 22:31.40 | abrotman | phy1729: the ban won't be lifted |
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| 22:31.53 | phy1729 | ok |
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| 22:32.24 | lucid-omv | question! i am running an init script and it displays the script instead of running it. any ideas? same result if i sh it or ./ it |
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| 22:33.10 | zumba_ad_ | so any other commands folks that will help me figure out if there is an ftp session going on? |
| 22:33.36 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ Try 'netstat -Wutnlpa | grep -ie listen' and 'ftptop'. |
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| 22:33.53 | zumba_ad_ | netstat alone just goes back to the console |
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| 22:34.15 | boz | ubuntu 4 lyfe y0 |
| 22:34.23 | zumba_ad_ | he's tried -na and no output too |
| 22:34.24 | abrotman | boz: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 22:36.47 | boz | abrotman: i think i speak on behalf of the group when i say that we're all pleased in the containment of potentially regrettable and unbecoming behaviour |
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| 22:37.11 | abrotman | boz: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 22:37.44 | boz | abrotman: im ok for now, but i'll let u know as soon as i run into difficulty. thank you for your concern |
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| 22:38.34 | lucid-omv | any ideas on my script issue? |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | lucid-omv: do you have set -x at the top? |
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| 22:39.09 | abrotman | natttw: in the long run, i'd suggest getting a cloak |
| 22:39.19 | zumba_ad_ | what tool should be used to figure out a file is open? |
| 22:39.28 | dahveed311 | lsof |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | lucid-omv: please keep it in the cannel |
| 22:39.46 | natttw | abrotman, will get |
| 22:40.30 | boz | abrotman: why is it best to be cloaked? it offers little obfuscation |
| 22:40.36 | boz | if any |
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| 22:41.09 | lucid-omv | i have apllied chmod +x already |
| 22:41.22 | natttw | i have following problem with debian: when i open file upload dialog in firefox, i can only 'choose' files there, i cant rename them or open them |
| 22:41.32 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ lsof. You may wish to take a look at 'man watch', 'man lsof' and 'man grep' for the purposes I assume you have, based on your description above. |
| 22:41.37 | natttw | save problem if i click Save as... in Leafpad, its same dialog, same problem |
| 22:41.42 | natttw | same problem* |
| 22:41.50 | zumba_ad_ | k |
| 22:42.04 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ Oh, it has just occurred me another one. |
| 22:42.13 | zumba_ad_ | ? |
| 22:42.41 | zumba_ad_ | i wanted to check if the file being uploaded is still increasing |
| 22:42.51 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ You may have to install the package though. 'fileschanged'. I guess you can monitor files for access too. |
| 22:42.57 | zumba_ad_ | k |
| 22:43.09 | zumba_ad_ | i'm not sure if my friend has a way to install that app |
| 22:43.23 | zumba_ad_ | so I'm hoping to use basic tools |
| 22:43.24 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ Definitely 'fileschanged', then. You can make a script to log the file name to a log file, using its options. |
| 22:43.36 | zumba_ad_ | k |
| 22:43.41 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ Yeah, I'd definitely go with fileschanged package. |
| 22:44.01 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ Look for the -x flag |
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| 22:45.12 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ fileschanged + awk + a simple script to define what and how to log the info. |
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| 22:45.23 | zumba_ad_ | cool |
| 22:45.32 | zumba_ad_ | is fileschanged part of debian? |
| 22:45.53 | Aeterne | Awful question incoming, sorry about that: When I'm choosing the various installation medias, is the "standard" Debian version the one that doesn't include any respective display managers or the like, so I can build it myself? |
| 22:45.57 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ apt-cache search fileschanged |
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| 22:46.01 | zumba_ad_ | k |
| 22:46.51 | mactimes | zumba_ad_ apt-cache show fileschanged for more info. |
| 22:47.00 | zumba_ad_ | thanks a lot |
| 22:47.14 | mactimes | You're welcome. |
| 22:47.15 | abrotman | natttw: I think that's intentional |
| 22:47.21 | abrotman | boz: ask #freenode why |
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| 22:47.45 | natttw | abrotman, im not saying it isn't.. but i have to have that option. on windows it works as i need |
| 22:48.07 | abrotman | natttw: "need" ? |
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| 22:48.40 | natttw | abrotman, i need to be able to rename files in file upload dialogs |
| 22:48.43 | mactimes | Aeterne You can start the installation and when the step comes (when tasksel pops up asking), uncheck the desktop interface. |
| 22:48.51 | abrotman | natttw: I just think that's a feature of the File Chooser in GTK .. not sure |
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| 22:50.53 | natttw | abrotman, i have lxde and pcmanfm. so i think i use gtk? |
| 22:51.07 | natttw | what i need to install to be able do what i described |
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| 22:51.34 | abrotman | natttw: I'm not aware that's sane behavior |
| 22:51.49 | natttw | it is. its very sane |
| 22:52.04 | natttw | i want to upload a file. i go to a catalog in file uploader. but i want to change its name |
| 22:52.12 | natttw | as the site i uploaded it to will get that name |
| 22:52.27 | natttw | also, maybe i could also want to open that file, before uploading |
| 22:52.36 | natttw | so i make sure i choose proper file |
| 22:53.06 | abrotman | natttw: have you asked #firefox if that's normal behavior? |
| 22:53.27 | natttw | abrotman, its not about firefox. when i click Save as in Leafpad (text editor) i get same dialog |
| 22:53.32 | natttw | and cant rename there too |
| 22:54.02 | abrotman | natttw: so it's a feature of the gtk file chooser |
| 22:54.38 | natttw | i dont liek it |
| 22:54.41 | natttw | like* |
| 22:54.45 | natttw | what to do then? |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | Okay, you'll have to find out if it's intentional, then file a bug or create a patch |
| 22:55.44 | natttw | ... |
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| 22:55.54 | lagon | shouldn't "aptitude autoclean" get rid of xul-ext-noscript_2.6.8.4-1~bpo70+1_all.deb, considering that xul-ext-noscript_2.6.8.19-1~deb7u1_all.deb is present? |
| 22:56.00 | natttw | im not going to do this.. i rather just install some other software |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | natttw: Okay, good luck |
| 22:56.07 | natttw | and how can this work like this way |
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| 22:56.38 | dahveed311 | nattw, can't you just rename it prior to uploading it? |
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| 22:57.24 | catos | natttw: in GtkFileChooser you can't rename files, it's an very old (wishlist) bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325150 |
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| 22:57.44 | natttw | catos, god... |
| 22:58.19 | natttw | 2005 year |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | Patches welcome! |
| 22:59.35 | natttw | catos, can i change it to some other file chooser? |
| 23:00.02 | lagon | is there a command in apt-* or aptitude which removes all packages from /var/cac/apt/archives/ that are not installed, including old versions and the like? |
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| 23:00.38 | abrotman | lagon: apt-get clean |
| 23:00.42 | abrotman | I think? |
| 23:00.46 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 23:00.52 | lagon | abrotman: that removes everything :-) |
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| 23:01.03 | nkuttler | lagon: autoclean |
| 23:01.04 | mactimes | lagon apt-get autoremove --purge && apt-get autoclean |
| 23:01.52 | natttw | and whats more.. file save dialog is different in KDE and GTK programs.. |
| 23:02.23 | lagon | abrotman, nkuttler, mactimes: I did autoclean but xul-ext-noscript_2.6.8.4-1~bpo70+1_all.deb and xulrunner-24.0_24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2_amd64.deb are not removed, though newer versions are installed (same release) |
| 23:02.56 | natttw | sorry but i'll have to use windows for my uses |
| 23:02.58 | mactimes | lagon have you tried the 'apt-get autoremove --purge' stuff prior to the autoclean? |
| 23:03.13 | lagon | mactimes: no, why? |
| 23:03.22 | natttw | so much this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325150#c31 |
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| 23:03.42 | lagon | mactimes: I use aptitude anyway which removes packages automatically when no other packages depend on them |
| 23:03.55 | mactimes | lagon 'man apt-get' might come handy. |
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| 23:04.53 | natttw | "The problem is that Gtk+/Gnome developers think they know better than their |
| 23:04.53 | natttw | users how good UI should look like, despite all of the people complaining the |
| 23:04.53 | natttw | opposite." |
| 23:04.56 | lagon | mactimes: haven't found there what I am looking for |
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| 23:06.13 | lagon | natttw: I can rename and delete from within thunar (xfce file manager) |
| 23:06.28 | mactimes | lagon You might want to check, under the Description portion, what 'clean', 'autoclean', 'remove' and 'autoremove' options do. |
| 23:06.39 | natttw | lagon, so i have to change file manager? |
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| 23:07.02 | lagon | mactimes: come on boy, I did all that already! It's not the first day I am using Debian and APT |
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| 23:07.13 | lagon | mactimes: they are not doing what I am looking for |
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| 23:08.40 | lagon | natttw: thunar is the standard one in xfce but others should support removing and deleting also (except when you don't have permission, of course) |
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| 23:09.12 | mactimes | lagon Like you said, you use aptitude. Check under their 'man' pages, what are the files they mess up with. Check those options I informed you too. I think you'll come to a conclusion about what I've been trying to tell you. aptitude and apt-get don't do everything exactly the same way or with exactly the same files. |
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| 23:09.37 | natttw | lagon, i have lxde? wont it be problem? |
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| 23:12.52 | lagon | mactimes: I checked those and it is not doing what I am looking for :-) The only option that comes close to what I am looking for is autoclean but it only removes packages when they are removed from the repo, and they are keeping old versions, it looks like (since, for example, autoclean doesn't remove xulrunner-24.0_24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2_amd64.deb, although an updated version xulrunner-24.0_24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1_amd64.deb is already installed |
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| 23:13.40 | lagon | natttw: what file manager are you using with which you can't rename or delete? |
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| 23:13.51 | natttw | lagon, PCMANFM |
| 23:14.01 | natttw | but only in Save/Open/Upload dialogs |
| 23:14.09 | natttw | when i open folder normally i can do it |
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| 23:15.49 | lagon | natttw: isn't that normal? Why would you want to rename or remove a file when you are supposed to Save/Open/Upload others? |
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| 23:16.03 | natttw | because it has bad name? |
| 23:16.12 | natttw | because i want to upload it with other name? |
| 23:16.27 | natttw | because on a occasion, i want to delete/rename some files? |
| 23:16.34 | natttw | on windows its all possible |
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| 23:17.08 | lagon | natttw: okay, it might be a good feature :-) I just usually do it on the command line or in a standard graphical file manager |
| 23:17.21 | natttw | its a essential feature |
| 23:17.30 | natttw | if i wont have it on linux, i gonna switch to windows |
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| 23:17.39 | lagon | natttw: what about kde? |
| 23:17.55 | lagon | natttw: the link you posted didn't say that kde misses this feature |
| 23:18.06 | natttw | but i use LXDE |
| 23:18.09 | natttw | its using gtk+ |
| 23:18.11 | mtn | heh |
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| 23:18.42 | natttw | also i hate that kde and gtk apps have different file save dialogs |
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| 23:19.18 | natttw | sometimes too much "free market" & freedom is not exactly great |
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| 23:20.23 | lagon | natttw: I dislike it also... |
| 23:20.31 | natttw | or maybe its just about open source.. not free market |
| 23:20.52 | lagon | natttw: to me it's what sucks least and of all operating systems I ever used (a lot); it's Debian |
| 23:20.57 | centrx | The word you are looking for is competition |
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| 23:21.52 | natttw | nah. it has to be about commercial vs open source. on windows they have to implement features that people like need and will buy |
| 23:22.00 | natttw | at least this is how it was before.. |
| 23:22.07 | natttw | with windows 8 it changed |
| 23:22.27 | natttw | now they try to make things/features, and then market them so you like them |
| 23:22.31 | mtn | natttw: how is about deian in any way? |
| 23:22.36 | mtn | debian, that is |
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| 23:23.15 | lagon | windows is all about corrupting all pc makers to force their OS on users; business is so easy... |
| 23:23.35 | mactimes | lagon Do you have both versions installed? Check what's using it with apt-cache rdepends <packagename>=<package_version> |
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| 23:25.18 | alteregoa | how to put a text with echo into the 3rd line or something to a textfile? |
| 23:25.45 | somiaj | alteregoa: the only way I can think of doing this is with head and tail |
| 23:27.05 | somiaj | alteregoa: head -n 3 file > file.new; echo foo >> file.new; tail -n -3 >> file.new |
| 23:27.14 | somiaj | alteregoa: that will make a new file with that echo foo insereted at line 3 |
| 23:27.31 | somiaj | alteregoa: if that works you can just copy the new file on top of the old one |
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| 23:28.41 | lagon | mactimes: both the new and the old version show the same output |
| 23:28.44 | alteregoa | sounds fascinating |
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| 23:29.18 | lagon | mactimes: I hope this is what you meant https://paste.debian.net/97454/ |
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| 23:29.50 | lagon | mactimes: there should only one be installed, anyway; the newest version |
| 23:29.52 | mactimes | lagon So, maybe you got something broken there. AFAIK, aptitude use has been discouraged in favor of APT a few releases ago. |
| 23:30.28 | NightmareLord | hello I need help about using usb to boot |
| 23:30.29 | sideup66 | how can i go about checking if my kernel has multi arch support |
| 23:30.30 | lagon | mactimes: in favor of what? |
| 23:30.46 | sideup66 | its amd x64, and i tried installing an i386 package which it puked at |
| 23:30.50 | alteregoa | is it possible to symlink etc password because etc is on a ram drive and the symlink on non volatile |
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| 23:31.19 | lagon | mactimes: officially, aptitude is recommended over apt-get, etc. and I have both used a lot and found aptitude A LOT more intelligent in solving dependency conflicts, etc. |
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| 23:33.16 | mactimes | lagon That's exactly the opposite of what I've just told you. Please, someone with more precise information correct me if I'm wrong. aptitude WAS officially supported and has been discouraged a few releases ago in favor of apt, which should be now the officially supported one. |
| 23:33.56 | alteregoa | i had to wrote a script to copy /etc/passwd after booting to /etc/passwd - the developer of the product used a non changeable root pw for the device |
| 23:34.28 | sideup66 | eh for what im using |
| 23:34.30 | sideup66 | it wont matter |
| 23:34.36 | sideup66 | ill live dangerously ;) |
| 23:35.05 | NightmareLord | anyone proficient with usb stick install? |
| 23:35.17 | mingtsay | hi, this is my iptables and ip6tables script: https://gist.github.com/mingtsay/5cfc7afdfeb0b3edc411 |
| 23:35.35 | lagon | mactimes: interesting, apt-get is indeed recommended over aptitude now |
| 23:35.36 | NightmareLord | I would like to install a persistent debian on a usb |
| 23:35.41 | mingtsay | does it have to be edit? |
| 23:35.46 | mactimes | lagon See? ;-) |
| 23:35.48 | mingtsay | or it will works fine? |
| 23:36.20 | mactimes | lagon Anyways... Try apt-get -s remove --purge <package> and see what it would do. |
| 23:36.48 | mactimes | lagon Try for both. Then you can decide what to do. |
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| 23:37.44 | lagon | mactimes: I can delete all packages by hand, of course; but I am looking for a long term solution. I just want old versions to be removed with a simple command like autoclean or such |
| 23:38.19 | mactimes | lagon Well, I can't tell you for other people best practices. I can tell you what _I_ use to do. |
| 23:38.26 | lagon | mactimes: otherwise I could just rm /var/cache/apt/archives/<package> |
| 23:39.05 | lagon | mactimes: the command would purge the new version |
| 23:39.08 | centrx | uses dselect |
| 23:39.26 | mactimes | lagon Well, I don't think it would be wise messing up with directories and files used by the package managers manually. Fix it, then keep the package manager sharp, up and running. |
| 23:39.31 | lagon | centrx: really? Are you still using an atari? |
| 23:40.12 | centrx | Debian does not support 8-bit CPU architectures :( |
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| 23:40.43 | BW^- | as to maximize network availability by means of software |
| 23:41.16 | BW^- | install "network-manager"? |
| 23:41.16 | mactimes | lagon apt-get update && apt-get [upgrade|dist-upgrade] && apt-get autoremove --purge && apt-get [clean|autoclean] |
| 23:41.52 | mactimes | lagon Like I said before, you might want to check the manual for each option and pick the best one for you. |
| 23:42.23 | lagon | mactimes: the option I am looking for is not yet part of apt-get, it seems :-( |
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| 23:42.46 | mactimes | lagon To fix your current issue, I'd do an 'apt-get clean', then if you really want the cache for the currently used packaged, re-download then, then keep it on the autoclean. |
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| 23:44.01 | mactimes | lagon autremove --purge will uninstall unnecessary packages and their configurations. autoclean will purge from the cache the packages which are currently not installed. So, yeah, I think apt-get can handle it. |
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| 23:44.55 | lagon | mactimes: I think what you said about autoclean is wrong, the manpage says it removes packages which can no longer be downloaded and such |
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| 23:46.14 | mactimes | lagon You're right. But you can configure it, as per what the manual says, to keep the cache of the installed packages. |
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| 23:46.30 | lagon | about what you said before: when I do clean, redownload packages and use autoclean in teh future, who says that it is doing removals of old packages in the future? Or did you mean I shall do that regularly? |
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| 23:48.35 | mactimes | lagon I mean you should do it regularly. |
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| 23:49.43 | lagon | mactimes: what? I guess you're kidding :-) I shall regularly remove all packages and redownload those that are installed to keep them cached? |
| 23:50.09 | mactimes | lagon After cleaning up the mess, you can re-select the current packages using the -d to download only to the cache. |
| 23:50.16 | mactimes | lagon Nah! You got it wrong. |
| 23:50.30 | mactimes | lagon autoclean will not purge everything. |
| 23:50.31 | lagon | what I learned about unix and the stuff since I am using it is this: it got LOADS of switches; but not those I need :-) |
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| 23:50.59 | mactimes | lagon I mean you should autoclean whenever removing or upgrading packages. |
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| 23:51.28 | mactimes | lagon So no longer used and old versions get purged from the cache regularly. |
| 23:51.40 | lagon | mactimes: but my problem is that it is not removing all old packages, as the case with xulrunner, for example, of which I have even old versions in the cache |
| 23:51.41 | mactimes | lagon *that* is what I meant. |
| 23:52.18 | mactimes | lagon And I think that occurred due to some error in aptitude or during any other procedure. |
| 23:53.08 | mactimes | lagon That's why I'm telling you to clean it up completely, and since you want to keep the _latest_ local cache for the currenly installed packages, just re-download them with apt-get -d for the currently selected/installed packages. |
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| 23:53.17 | mactimes | lagon dpkg -l might help you with that. |
| 23:53.32 | lagon | mactimes: but apt-get is also not removing old packages. When autoclean (whether with apt-get or aptitude) is not removing old packages now, why do you think it will do in the future if I now clean all packages? |
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| 23:54.34 | mactimes | lagon Probably because the old package is _not_ being seen by apt-get, since, like I said, aptitude and apt-get do *not* work exactly the same way or with *exactly* the same files. |
| 23:55.20 | mactimes | lagon You cannot expect one package to work properly if you have already messed up with its files with another package. |
| 23:55.33 | lagon | mactimes: this is a problem which exists for both, apt-get and aptitude |
| 23:55.53 | mactimes | lagon I don't face those problems here... |
| 23:56.26 | lagon | mactimes: I guess you just care for not having old packages in your cache :) |
| 23:56.41 | lagon | mactimes: *don't care |
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| 23:57.44 | mactimes | lagon Indeed I do care. And I don't have. I run Debian latest stable for my home computer (this one), for my servers and for my customers servers. All of them always up, latest, sharp and shinny. |
| 23:57.45 | lagon | apt-get and aptitude both do not provide the feature of just removing anything from the cache but installed packages, that is the issue I am talking about. But most people are okay with it |
| 23:58.04 | lagon | mactimes: ^^ |
| 23:59.02 | mactimes | lagon Now, I don't see what you mean. You want to remove an specific package from the cache, any package at any given time? Is that what you mean? |
