| 00:00.16 | lagon | mactimes: I just want an option in aptitude and apt-get which removes all packages which are not installed and, of packages which are installed, old versions |
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| 00:00.42 | lagon | mactimes: (I mean which removes the package files in the cache, of course) |
| 00:01.03 | mactimes | lagon I think you need better understanding of what the cache is for (no offenses). |
| 00:01.27 | lagon | mactimes: downgrade in case of trouble? |
| 00:02.51 | mactimes | lagon If you have the package installed, you might want to reinstall it. If it's old and you have a new version, you don't need the old one after you install the new version and see it's working. |
| 00:03.05 | mactimes | lagon So, you'll only autoclean AFTER testing the new version |
| 00:03.35 | mactimes | lagon Otherwise, you can reinstall the old version, diverting from the repo, keep it at the old version and purge the new one. |
| 00:03.37 | lagon | mactimes: yes, that's exactly why I am looking for the option I explained |
| 00:04.17 | lagon | mactimes: just remove any package versions not installed, that easy |
| 00:04.25 | lagon | and yet not there... :( |
| 00:05.05 | mactimes | lagon Those are package manages. What you're looking for is a _personal_repository_, from my point of view. |
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| 00:06.28 | mactimes | lagon Yet, I don't see any reason, then, to use a package manager if you're handling package management _manually_. |
| 00:06.45 | mactimes | lagon Just use dpkg, then, and keep track of packages manually. |
| 00:07.14 | lagon | mactimes: I don't like to do dependancy resolution by hand :) |
| 00:07.27 | lagon | mactimes: I am glad to have APT |
| 00:07.46 | mactimes | lagon Hahahahaha. I see. |
| 00:08.45 | mactimes | lagon Anyways, the package manager won't act like a personal repository, AFAIK, but there are plenty of more experienced people here in the channel then me, I could be wrong. |
| 00:09.18 | mactimes | lagon Maybe they could tell you better. |
| 00:10.15 | lagon | mactimes: I once tell the devs to implement this primitive feature (how could it be more primitive than that? remove anything but installed packages from the cache) |
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| 00:14.10 | lagon | mactimes: wait; or I just write a script! In the package name, the first underscore serves as a delimiter between package name and version, right? |
| 00:15.03 | lagon | mactimes: *I mean in the deb file |
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| 00:16.59 | mactimes | lagon Again, I don't see any sense. I'll tell you why: A higher package version, in general, replaces a lower package version. So, if you're keeping the package at an older version, that will remain in the cache, because it is installed. If you upgrade it, then the new version will remain in the cache, the old one will be purged. All of this, of course, by using the autoclean option. |
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| 00:17.39 | mactimes | lagon IF you want to keep a package at an older version, just use dpkg-divert and you're done. |
| 00:17.58 | mactimes | lagon No need for all that mangling with files and scripts. |
| 00:18.32 | lagon | mactimes: what you wrote is not the case on my system! the new version is installed and the old deb file doesn't get removed on issuing autoclean |
| 00:18.54 | themill | is that really a problem? |
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| 00:19.07 | mactimes | lagon Because you have an issue there. Which you should fix, prior to anything else. |
| 00:19.40 | mactimes | lagon Something went wrong and aptitude did not clean up the cache for this old package version. |
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| 00:19.56 | mactimes | lagon Fix it and try what I told you before. |
| 00:20.20 | themill | autoclean deletes .debs that cannot be downloaded any more; when you're dealing with packages in wheezy AND wheezy-backports, installing the package from wheezy-backports does not make the package in wheezy go away. It's still downloadable. |
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| 00:23.00 | mactimes | From 'man apt-get', from the end of section autoclean : "...The configuration option APT::Clean-Installed will prevent installed packages from being erased if it is set to off." |
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| 00:24.32 | lagon | mactimes, themill: okay |
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| 00:28.23 | ryonaloli | hi. i'm having troubles getting mysqld to upgrade. dpkg says mysqld is in an inconsistent state, but running dpkg --configure -a says there are dependency problems: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server: mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.5; however: Package mysql-server-5.5 is not configured yet." |
| 00:28.34 | lagon | mactimes, themill: what is, for example, when one has to use a live system (nor persistent) for a couple of weeks, and wants to keep package updates and installs to install every time the system is booted? This is one option of where one wants to only have the newest version of installed packages (and nothing else) cached |
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| 00:28.53 | lagon | mactimes, themill: *(not persistent) |
| 00:29.02 | ryonaloli | i can't configure it, so it says to try and reinstall, but when i do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server-5.5" it just hangs at "stopping mysqld" and never reinstalls, and i'm forcedd to reboot |
| 00:29.38 | mactimes | lagon You'll probably want to check apt-on-cd (I think that's what it's called). |
| 00:30.05 | mactimes | lagon In fact, aptoncd, that's the package. |
| 00:30.32 | lagon | mactimes: looks like pretty much it; thanks |
| 00:30.55 | mactimes | lagon You're welcome. |
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| 00:31.51 | mactimes | lagon I think there could be an aptonusb thing, so it would be easier to keep up-to-date. I mean, it aptoncd doesn't already provide this sort of functionality. |
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| 00:33.50 | mactimes | lagon Of course, you could always mount a USB on /var/cache/apt/archive =D |
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| 00:34.54 | lagon | mactimes: or ln -s :) |
| 00:35.25 | lagon | mactimes: that's what I am considering and it is going to be fine :-) |
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| 00:39.04 | ryonaloli | in syslog, it marks every table as crashed after that (which is why i have to reboot) |
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| 00:39.14 | linedash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:39.43 | linedash | use http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:40.43 | themill | lagon: it's relatively easy to deduplicate the packages there if you need to do so and you'll find various scripts that do this. (as a start «find /var/cache/apt/archives/ -type f -printf '%f\n' | cut -f1 -d_ | sort | uniq -d»). Alternatively, using a caching proxy elsewhere on the network. |
| 00:41.02 | ryonaloli | linedash: http://paste.debian.net/97465/ |
| 00:41.35 | linedash | ryonaloli: do you have live databases on this? |
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| 00:42.04 | ryonaloli | yes |
| 00:42.15 | ryonaloli | also, here's the output of "dpkg --configure -a" http://paste.debian.net/97466/ |
| 00:42.17 | codepython777 | is there an automatic way of converting preseed.cfg for debian 7.2 to 7.4? |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | codepython777: shouldn't change |
| 00:43.21 | linedash | ryonaloli: And what happens if you do a dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.5 |
| 00:43.33 | codepython777 | abrotman: just did a diff, did not change indeed! Thanks. |
| 00:43.51 | ryonaloli | linedash: http://paste.debian.net/97467/ |
| 00:44.36 | linedash | ryonaloli: what happens if you shut mysql down, then do apt-get reinstall mysql-server-5.5? |
| 00:44.37 | lagon | themill: nice command line |
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| 00:44.50 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server-5.5 |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | or aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.5 |
| 00:45.07 | themill | lagon: I leave it as an exercise to the reader to then work out which is the right version of the .deb to keep ;) |
| 00:45.09 | ryonaloli | linedash: reinstall tries to shut it down, but it just hangs trying to shutdown |
| 00:45.12 | codepython777 | abrotman: I am assuming 7.5 wont change preseed as well? When does preseed change? |
| 00:45.18 | linedash | yes; but what happens if you shut down mysql yourself first? |
| 00:45.22 | themill | dpkg: tell codepython777 about point release |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | codepython777: probably not til 8.x with any luck |
| 00:45.43 | ryonaloli | linedash: let me try |
| 00:45.52 | lagon | themill: that's the smaller issue; your command does the most part, already |
| 00:46.21 | linedash | ryonaloli: make sure that the process really has exited before performing the reinstall |
| 00:46.38 | ryonaloli | >[ ok ] Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 00:46.41 | ryonaloli | still waiting |
| 00:46.56 | ryonaloli | oh, this time it worked |
| 00:47.13 | ryonaloli | let's check if mysql still works... |
| 00:47.33 | ryonaloli | it works, thanks! |
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| 00:48.15 | linedash | np:) |
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| 00:51.25 | ryonaloli | what's the best plan of action to take if my server gets another problem like this and rebooting it doesn't solve it? |
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| 00:53.42 | centrx | What kind of problem is htat |
| 00:53.58 | ryonaloli | mysql crashing |
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| 00:54.28 | centrx | I thought that was standard with mysql |
| 00:54.31 | centrx | What was the error? |
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| 00:55.25 | ryonaloli | oh, it's working now. in this case it wouldn't upgrade, and would crash when i tried to reinstall it. it's all fine now, i just want to know the best thing to do should something like this ever happen again on a live site |
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| 00:56.29 | centrx | For a live site, plan for that server having downtime |
| 00:56.41 | centrx | For any upgrade |
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| 00:59.08 | centrx | but generally upgrades in stable should just work |
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| 00:59.37 | ryonaloli | this was in stable, but i'm not the only one administering the site so idk what someone else did that could have broken it |
| 00:59.41 | ryonaloli | if anything |
| 01:00.16 | centrx | That sure can happen |
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| 01:00.49 | centrx | Any non-trivial change to a production system should be tested on an identically configured testing or development system |
| 01:01.14 | centrx | And no changes to production system without corresponding |
| 01:01.29 | centrx | but I guess it's more difficult with a server instead of a code base with a repository |
| 01:01.42 | centrx | But auditing is good, that can register all changes and find out why it was changed |
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| 01:02.21 | mactimes | ryonaloli Whatever centrx said + regular backups. |
| 01:02.38 | ryonaloli | unfortunately there's not enough money to do that, although i'm thinking of setting up a vm |
| 01:02.51 | ryonaloli | oh, i thought you meant a backup *system*, not backing things up, oops |
| 01:03.02 | centrx | Both |
| 01:03.13 | ryonaloli | hm, well i can't buy another server |
| 01:03.20 | centrx | VM isn't bad |
| 01:03.23 | centrx | and VM is free |
| 01:03.25 | ryonaloli | so if it goes down the site does |
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| 01:03.42 | ryonaloli | do you mean for testing, or for a backup site if one goes down, the other goes up? |
| 01:03.49 | centrx | for testing |
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| 01:04.38 | centrx | It is pretty crazy why you would have a server with no backup on production iste |
| 01:04.40 | ryonaloli | ah |
| 01:04.52 | centrx | How could that be cheaper than a cloud service? |
| 01:04.55 | ryonaloli | well, there's a backup in that we use rsync to back it up |
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| 01:05.05 | ryonaloli | eh, too paranoid to use anything but a dedi |
| 01:05.07 | centrx | yes but it's easy for the hardware to fail even |
| 01:05.25 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 01:05.32 | centrx | This is room |
| 01:05.40 | mactimes | LOL |
| 01:05.50 | ryonaloli | where do i recognize that |
| 01:05.54 | LtL | channel not ... ugh room |
| 01:06.06 | mactimes | Schedule some downtime for backups. |
| 01:06.12 | centrx | We like to be called channel here in room |
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| 01:06.22 | sideup66 | im trying to install teamviewer on my x64 debian box, however it is saying i have an unmet dependancy at ia32libs-i386 but it is not installed |
| 01:06.26 | sideup66 | and when i try to install that package |
| 01:06.31 | sideup66 | it comes up it is not installable |
| 01:06.36 | ryonaloli | why would there be downtime? |
| 01:06.37 | sideup66 | umm wut, its a 64 bit package... |
| 01:07.06 | centrx | sideup66, Apparently not |
| 01:07.38 | sideup66 | hmm |
| 01:07.39 | sideup66 | ok |
| 01:07.41 | mactimes | sideup66 dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 01:07.43 | LtL | sideup66: multiarch is your solution |
| 01:08.06 | mactimes | sideup66 Then apt-get update, then try again. |
| 01:08.23 | LtL | sideup66: as mactimes states is your answer. well done mactimes. |
| 01:09.05 | sideup66 | oh ok |
| 01:09.16 | sideup66 | so doing that will add multiarch to my repos and install appropriate multiarch? |
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| 01:09.21 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:09.24 | sideup66 | ok |
| 01:09.36 | sideup66 | its doing stuff, just slow connection on that for some reason, idk |
| 01:09.38 | sideup66 | but its fine |
| 01:09.44 | sideup66 | just the internet gerbils napping |
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| 01:11.08 | sideup66 | apt-get -f install is fixing alot |
| 01:11.12 | sideup66 | so i guess its adding multiarch |
| 01:11.14 | sideup66 | works for me |
| 01:12.13 | mactimes | ryonaloli For upgrading purposes. |
| 01:12.24 | ryonaloli | oh |
| 01:12.38 | mactimes | ryonaloli Maintenance... Things can go wrong, as you've just experienced. |
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| 01:13.06 | ryonaloli | yeah, i'd be lying if i said any of us working on the server had any significant experience |
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| 01:13.52 | mactimes | ryonaloli You know, backups aren't really useful. Not until you need them. Then, it's the opposite. =) |
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| 01:14.21 | ryonaloli | i dunno, rsync backup are pretty nice when you can look at the history |
| 01:14.26 | Masky | make-kpkg isn't compiling any kernels for me, it gives lots of errors like "/bin/sh: line 0: [: -eq: unary operator expected". Anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | Masky: have you tried the built-in method in the kernel make file ? |
| 01:15.14 | mactimes | ryonaloli I'd rather having a snapshot. rsync will not act, let's say, dynamically on changing databases. |
| 01:15.52 | ryonaloli | then couldn't the database be frozen as rsync goes accross it? |
| 01:15.54 | Masky | abrotman, built-in method? is make-kpkg deprecated? |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | not sure .. but there's a way in the kernel make file to create .debs |
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| 01:16.45 | mactimes | ryonaloli Best shot would be mysql server replication. |
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| 01:16.57 | ryonaloli | how's that work? |
| 01:16.58 | mactimes | But, as you said, you're short on budget. |
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| 01:17.19 | mactimes | ryonaloli You'd keep two servers running. A master and a slave. |
| 01:17.26 | mactimes | ryonaloli And set up replication. |
| 01:17.39 | MikOo | Hello ! Is there a french debian IRC ? |
| 01:17.52 | centrx | How tight could your budget be, can you get a random powerful for $400 |
| 01:17.54 | mactimes | ryonaloli Then, whenever you want to take a snapshot, you can take the slave down, backup it up, then bring it back up. |
| 01:17.59 | centrx | *desktop |
| 01:18.03 | centrx | !fr |
| 01:18.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 01:18.10 | MikOo | thank you |
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| 01:19.04 | ryonaloli | how tight? we can barely make $30 a month (it's entirely run by donations) |
| 01:19.35 | centrx | yeah but you're certainly donating more than $400 of your time |
| 01:20.19 | centrx | You have x developers and probably other interested people |
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| 01:20.51 | centrx | Rich investors and philanthropic people can use $100 bills for toilet paper |
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| 01:21.23 | MikOo | But I don't search for help... |
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| 01:23.04 | lagon | a few hours ago, a guy using miranda-im was here. lol |
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| 01:24.23 | ryonaloli | what's miranda-im? |
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| 01:25.15 | lagon | ryonaloli: that's the funny point: it's free and open source software!!!!!!! but runs only on windows :-) |
| 01:25.18 | Masky | it seems like when I do make-kpkg, it's creating makefiles that use 8 spaces instead of a tab |
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| 01:25.49 | abrotman | ... |
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| 01:26.27 | Masky | I'm pretty sure that's not right |
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| 01:31.43 | sideup66 | still downloading |
| 01:31.47 | sideup66 | like 181 mb worth of stuff |
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| 01:38.04 | nestle20 | when i run cat /proc/mdstat on my raid1 system (software), for md0 it says [>....................] check = 4.4% (85623936/1945569088) finish=28157.8min speed=1100K/sec ? is this normal ? the system has been installed for 9 days.. i thought the check stuff was over with.. why is it checking again? I noticed it happened when i first installed the server.. but now again? and 28,157 minutes? thats 19 days ? lol |
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| 01:40.21 | sideup66 | that got it |
| 01:40.22 | sideup66 | woo! |
| 01:40.24 | sideup66 | thanks guys :) |
| 01:40.38 | Anatak | hi all |
| 01:41.08 | mactimes | nestle20 It's normal for the soft raid to scrub disks once in a while, but the question is: Have you let the sync finish prior to putting it into production? Have you turned the host off before it has finished synchronizing? |
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| 01:45.36 | Anatak | i hope someone can give me a tip to fix my problem, i installed the kali packages into my debian 7,5 , now my bootloader has changed to kali. |
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| 01:46.28 | somiaj | Anatak: your problem is you have mixed packages from different distros which can (and lots of the times will) break things. Also gets you little support |
| 01:46.49 | somiaj | Anatak: the tip is undo what ever packages you installed from kali and ensure you are only installing packages for debian wheezy (and not other version of debian) |
| 01:47.39 | dahveed311 | anatak: i've messed with that before, it probably makes more sense to just build the packages you want from source inside debian or just use a separate kali instance. i am run both typically, |
| 01:47.45 | Anatak | how do i get the kali tools into my debian then? other people dont seem to have problems with it |
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| 01:48.17 | dahveed311 | if you need more than n tools, why not just use a kali iso? |
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| 01:48.28 | somiaj | Anatak: you don't, you use debian tools. Or you install Kali and use their os, but you don't mix |
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| 01:48.30 | Anatak | thx somia |
| 01:48.36 | JordiGH | Is there a reason to use sysctl instead of piping things from and into /proc? Does sysctl do some checking or something? |
| 01:49.18 | Anatak | somia, ok but people told me thats no problem |
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| 01:50.00 | Anatak | can i just undo it or should i better install wheezy from new? |
| 01:50.27 | Anatak | dahveed31 thx |
| 01:50.34 | somiaj | Anatak: Shard libaries and depedencies (including core stuff) makes installing a .deb imporant you only get ones built for the paticular versions you are running. |
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| 01:50.40 | asterismo | hi people |
| 01:50.47 | asterismo | i need help with a netbook |
| 01:50.49 | somiaj | Anatak: depends on how much stuff you have and how much work you want to do, but yes you can manually undo it |
| 01:50.59 | asterismo | i installed debian 7 in an encrypted LVM |
| 01:51.09 | asterismo | it was fine for months |
| 01:52.11 | somiaj | !tell Anatak about not-available |
| 01:52.12 | asterismo | and now it does not prompt for the passphrase, it says Failure to mommunicate with kernel device-mapper driver, check that is enabled in the lernel... what does it mean? |
| 01:52.26 | Anatak | ok it didnt overwrote my grub loader yet or my kernals, its just jusing them prefered right now? right? |
| 01:52.51 | somiaj | Anatak: remove the kali souces from your soureces.list, make sure you only have debian sources, reruan apt-get update. After that run that command I had the bot tell you and it will find all packages on your system that are not from debian, use that to fix your problems |
| 01:53.33 | Anatak | !tell Anatak about not-available |
| 01:53.56 | Anatak | thx |
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| 01:54.28 | lagon | somiaj: when I write 'not-available' it answers something like rtfm or so |
| 01:54.39 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 01:55.36 | lagon | !tell lagon about not-available |
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| 01:55.59 | lagon | it answered: 'i dunno what is 'not-available'.' |
| 01:56.06 | somiaj | lagon: oh oops, |
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| 01:56.12 | somiaj | !tell Anatak about not available |
| 01:56.28 | lagon | much better :-) |
| 01:56.28 | Anatak | tell Anatak about not-available does not really work |
| 01:56.43 | Anatak | never mind many thanks |
| 01:57.13 | lagon | what a great aptitude line :-) |
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| 01:58.06 | lagon | Anatak: why never mind? That hint of somiaj might help you out of your desaster |
| 01:58.10 | somiaj | Anatak: That will list everything not installed from debian, it is the core packages you want from debian for sure, some third party stuff installes just fine in wheezy, it just needs to be built for wheezy. |
| 01:58.33 | Anatak | lagon i cant work it out |
| 01:58.37 | somiaj | (well provided you clean up you rsources.list first) |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | Anatak: Are you using Debian or Kali ? |
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| 01:59.01 | Anatak | the bot doesnt understand my...humans have problems as well .) |
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| 01:59.45 | lagon | Anatak: 1) remove all repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list which are not official debian repositories 2) apt-get update 3) do what the bot told you |
| 01:59.48 | Anatak | somia i will have to change to kali anyway in this case |
| 01:59.56 | somiaj | the bot only answers things it has been programed to, so you need to say a preprogramed trigger |
| 02:00.10 | somiaj | Anatak: then you will want to reinstall, or find the tools you want in debian, or build them for debian. |
| 02:00.20 | lagon | Anatak: use kali sources in a chroot (with schroot) or in a VM |
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| 02:01.12 | Anatak | Anatak: use kali sources in a chroot (with schroot) or in a VM --------> why is that? |
| 02:01.31 | lagon | Anatak: not to mix up Debian because of |
| 02:01.32 | Anatak | i like to run it on iron |
| 02:01.37 | lagon | !tell Anatak about frankendebian |
| 02:01.45 | Anatak | yes i dont do this anymore |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman | Anatak: Install Debian or Kali .. this channel only supports Debian |
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| 02:02.16 | Anatak | i will write down packages i wghat to use or get them on other way direktly from debian |
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| 02:02.45 | lagon | Anatak: yes, most of the tools in kali are already in official Debian, anyway |
| 02:03.37 | lagon | Anatak: otherwise, use kali in a VM (using virtualbox, qemu, or so). You can even attach usb or network hardware to a VM. |
| 02:04.06 | Anatak | but vm is no sollution |
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| 02:05.43 | Anatak | its the best way to install bit by bit instead of 1000 new tools u dont know |
| 02:05.55 | lagon | Anatak: then one of the following options: 1) kali sources in a chroot (schroot or so) 2) you use kali instead of debian |
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| 02:06.50 | lagon | Anatak: 3) you just install the packages from Debian (since most kali packages are in the official Debian repos) |
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| 02:07.36 | Anatak | chroot?schroot? is this some root stuff with permissions? |
| 02:08.09 | lagon | Anatak: root has to set up a chroot, but normal users may use it (if root allows them to, defined in a config file) |
| 02:08.53 | lagon | Anatak: just don't grant root permissions to a user in a chroot to which you would not grand root permissions on the host system |
| 02:09.00 | Anatak | ok i will look for chroot |
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| 02:09.33 | lagon | Anatak: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 02:09.45 | nestle20 | mactimes yes i did let it finish sync originally, 9 days ago.. i have another machine that is also doing the same thing strangely |
| 02:09.53 | nestle20 | guess ill just wait it out |
| 02:10.27 | Anatak | thanks alot for your efficent help |
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| 02:11.18 | lagon | Anatak: you're welcome |
| 02:12.11 | Anatak | .) |
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| 02:16.53 | sideup66 | btw i was here |
| 02:16.58 | sideup66 | and it worked folks, so thanks :) |
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| 02:17.05 | sideup66 | system seems happy like pharell williams |
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| 03:02.13 | Yoshi1 | how long till this heartbleed fix gets into the debian testing |
| 03:02.23 | Yoshi1 | i need sftp access |
| 03:02.39 | Yoshi1 | but it seems my libssh is outdated |
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| 03:04.08 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 03:04.21 | TheWarden | I tried to upgrade Squeeze to Wheezy and I've run into some troubles. |
| 03:04.36 | TheWarden | I try to complete my upgrades and it fails when it tries to upgrade MySQL |
| 03:04.50 | TheWarden | apt-get reports the following |
| 03:05.05 | TheWarden | ahh one sec |
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| 03:09.01 | Guest35867 | https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ab6e832c054c45889f3e |
| 03:10.24 | TheWarden | not sure what else to do. I'm prompted previously to the errors of https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ab6e832c054c45889f3e to input a MySQL root password. I just leave it blank to leave it as it was. |
| 03:10.39 | TheWarden | I really need this working... kind of hard to do things without it :) |
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| 03:11.52 | themill | TheWarden: check the log files to find out why mysql isn't starting |
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| 03:12.17 | TheWarden | themill: trying to locate what log file it would be in. thus far haven't found anything. |
| 03:12.47 | themill | /var/log/daemon.log. |
| 03:12.59 | TheWarden | as far as I can tell it actually doesn't complete the install of MySQL Server 5.5. |
| 03:13.21 | themill | that's because it can't start it |
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| 03:15.18 | chitose | so i just installed the jessie testing branch but i dont want to use xfce... nor any DM. is there a way i can cleanly remove the desktop? |
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| 03:15.46 | peterrooney | Yoshi1: done long ago. My first encounter with heartbleed was my (stable) system doing a dist-upgrade |
| 03:16.02 | peterrooney | !dsa2896 |
| 03:16.02 | dpkg | Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see http://deb.li/3BrUE). Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». Remember that the upstream version part (1.0.1e) doesn't change when security bugs are fixed in stable releases; ask me about <security backports>. See also http://heartbleed.com/, http://xkcd.com/1354/ |
| 03:16.22 | TheWarden | I just found this in the daemon.log, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/ab6e832c054c45889f3e |
| 03:16.25 | peterrooney | ,v openssl |
| 03:16.26 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.1g-3; sid: 1.0.1g-3; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 03:17.30 | TheWarden | ahh I think it appears to be an error in the MySQL configuration file.... have to take a peek. |
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| 03:18.13 | themill | TheWarden: yeah, every mysql upgrade adds or removes config options on you |
| 03:18.47 | TheWarden | themill: oh lovely :). Only problem is, I don't see the option in the configuration its referring to as an error. strange. |
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| 03:18.51 | wols_ | chitose: uninstall xfce4 and xdm |
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| 03:20.01 | TheWarden | themill: bingo, found it in an include configuration file. Now what on earth replaces default-character-set=utf8 |
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| 03:21.53 | Yoshi1 | peterrooney: well for some reason i cant sshfs to a new gentoo server |
| 03:22.20 | Yoshi1 | but i can ssh to it |
| 03:22.43 | chitose | wols_: thank you. i did not know which dm was part of the "Desktop" when i had clicked it on install |
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| 03:28.29 | TheWarden | okay, I found the solution here for anyone else that may have had the same problem. http://outofcontrol.ca/thoughts/comments/change-mysql-5.5-default-character-set-to-utf8 |
| 03:30.04 | themill | TheWarden: yeah, I've always done that per-connection and per-db/table/column. It's one of the 'best' bits of mysql... |
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| 03:42.28 | TheWarden | Since the upgrade I've noticed that grub shows two new entries in the menu to boot into, the old kernels. Is there any way of getting ride of this unnecessary resources off the system? |
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| 03:43.24 | themill | if your system is happy the wheezy kernels, then you can remove the squeeze kernel packages (aptitude search ~n2.6.32~i) |
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| 03:48.09 | TheWarden | oh okay, so then once I get the package name I can remove it. Mmm okay, never done that before in regards to a kernel. kinda makes one nervous :). |
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| 03:49.12 | themill | you can get rid of old linux-headers-* packages as well as the linux-image-* packages. |
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| 04:07.28 | TheWarden | themill: thanks for the help |
| 04:07.39 | TheWarden | I best be going, late to get some work done and needs sleep. take care all. |
| 04:07.45 | themill | np, have fun |
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| 04:16.40 | rawfodog | is there a STEAM installer for debian wheezy ? |
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| 04:18.38 | themill | no. Building a jessie chroot and running it in that seems to be the standard approach (schroot can make all that quite transparent to the user) |
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| 04:36.58 | chitose | is there a published changelog for debian testing dist? i just got the new one and it recognized my ethernet controller |
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| 04:40.12 | themill | chitose: testing as whole changes twice per day, every day and the changes can be quite large. In your case, you probably want to look at the changelog for the kernel package (linux-image-$(uname -r)) |
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| 05:01.30 | codepython777 | anyone knows how to install python-imaging with libtiff and openjpeg support using pil? |
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| 05:03.26 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 05:03.39 | sideup66 | does anyone know an easy way to install a remote desktop from the shell for debian |
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| 05:03.47 | sideup66 | im trying to configure a box and teamviewer isnt working |
| 05:04.21 | themill | codepython777: from memory, there's no PIL in wheezy; It's relatively straightforward to write compatible code that can work with either Imaging or PIL and a try/except in the import. |
| 05:04.32 | sideup66 | huh |
| 05:04.34 | sideup66 | oh nevermind |
| 05:04.35 | sideup66 | someone else |
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| 05:09.00 | beeker | sideup66: you might be looking for TightVNC or something like that |
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| 05:09.43 | sideup66 | i think so beeker |
| 05:09.55 | sideup66 | i have always used teamviewer, so this is all a bit strange |
| 05:10.37 | beeker | sideup66: just google it, lots of howtos out there on setting it up |
| 05:10.47 | sideup66 | ok thanks beeker |
| 05:12.08 | dooxter1 | what's distribution are you using? |
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| 05:21.21 | sideup66 | hmm ok i got vnc |
| 05:21.24 | sideup66 | i think its set |
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| 05:21.29 | sideup66 | i just need it temporarily honestly right now |
| 05:21.34 | sideup66 | so im just trying to get in, fix somthing else |
| 05:21.37 | sideup66 | then take it off lol |
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| 05:31.54 | tuxVersion3 | In switching from squeeze to wheezy, I've noticed that processes seem to use a lower percentage of the CPU when in unpriveleged mode. How would I go about increasing the allocated load without giving root priveleges? |
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| 05:32.53 | tuxVersion3 | rather, what would I need to research on this subject. Google doesn't give me very helpful results. |
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| 05:54.56 | dwilliams | i use vi editor some files, noticing that when pressing :w, vi will hang/ stop a while (pressing key board w/t any reaction, but no impact the entire system). |
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| 05:55.17 | dwilliams | i need to press ctrl+c to quite the vi and come back. |
| 05:55.28 | dwilliams | any place i may need to check what might go wrong? |
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| 06:02.13 | dinopron | . |
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| 06:16.13 | pbase | can someone suggest good contact list (preferably android style) editor/vcf editor for syncing with the desktop? |
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| 06:26.28 | q0 | why is libreoffice on debian not v4 ? |
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| 06:26.52 | q0 | it doesnt even support microsoft office files |
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| 06:28.29 | TyzzyT | Use Google Docs |
| 06:29.30 | Sh1G3rU | it is v4 |
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| 06:29.37 | Sh1G3rU | .1 |
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| 06:31.40 | themill | q0: older libreoffice support ms office files just fine, but you can get a newer libreoffice from backports.debian.org |
| 06:31.47 | themill | dpkg: tell q0 about wheezy-backports |
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| 06:33.57 | Voyage | this should work as a crontab, right? */02 * * * * 'curl http://google.com' > /home/moez/temp.txt |
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| 06:35.10 | themill | dpkg: tell Voyage about cross post |
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| 06:37.00 | Voyage | themill, well, no one answere, i though to increase audience |
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| 06:37.31 | themill | Voyage: this channel is for supporting debian, not derivatives (and derivatives' channels are for supporting derivatives, not debian) |
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| 06:38.11 | themill | (and 90 s is not a good test for "no-one answered" in any case) |
| 06:38.25 | themill | But the short answer to your question is "no that won't work". |
| 06:38.52 | Artemis3 | Voyage, also people are not there waiting for you, it is normal to place a question and not get an answer quickly, in fact leave and check the next day is normal in some obscure distros :) |
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| 06:40.18 | Artemis3 | Voyage, just make the question in the corresponding channel, and thats it, don't leave the channel and don't ask again until answered if you hope any answers at all. |
| 06:41.23 | somiaj | So it appears that as a normal user, virt-install uses qemu://system as default but virt-viewer and virsh use qemu://session, wondering what would be a decent way to change the defaults for virt-viewer and virsh. |
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| 06:41.54 | Tasab | hello all , i have win xp , then how i can install ubuntu thro' virtualbox , so is there any posibilities to install more than one system like , debian , fedor , etc. |
| 06:42.07 | somiaj | I was wondering if there was anyting cleaner than alias virsh="virsh -c qemu:///system" |
| 06:42.31 | Artemis3 | Tasab, ubuntu questions belong to the #ubuntu channel |
| 06:42.46 | Voyage | Artemis3, NEXT DAY? its irc. not forums |
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| 06:43.14 | Voyage | Artemis3, rude |
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| 06:43.31 | somiaj | Tasab: How to run virtualbox on windows should be asked in virtualbox, Yes you can install multiple vms via virtual box, and support for those vms could be in the various oses you choose to use, as it was noted if you want #ubuntu go there. |
| 06:43.31 | Artemis3 | Voyage, yes, they people are not there for you, someone might see your question like 5 hours after coming back from work or something. |
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| 06:45.12 | Tasab | somiaj, Artemis3 , thanks for info |
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| 07:03.28 | morfin | strange |
| 07:04.04 | morfin | debian 7.5 does not boot in qemu |
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| 07:04.18 | morfin | qemu-system-sparc64 |
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| 07:10.09 | Tau | i had to format my debian and i forgot the package name for a update time server daemon. |
| 07:10.17 | Tau | i remember it was something with nts. |
| 07:10.20 | Tau | idk |
| 07:10.23 | Tau | can someone remember me? |
| 07:10.41 | Tau | i cant access webpages because as my time is broken the certified are expired. |
| 07:11.18 | Tlin | ntpd |
| 07:12.44 | Tau | thanks man. |
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| 07:16.14 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.23 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:19.13 | Penix | Tau: apt-cache search ntp server |
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| 07:20.37 | Tau | oh. |
| 07:20.42 | Tau | t is named ntpdate. |
| 07:20.44 | Tau | penix great. |
| 07:20.52 | Penix | no, it's not |
| 07:21.08 | Penix | Tau: what do you want to do? run an ntp server, or just set your system's date via ntp? |
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| 07:22.45 | Penix | Tau: then, yes, ntpdate can help you |
| 07:22.54 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.59 | Tau | like country, etc. |
| 07:23.04 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.10 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.16 | Penix | doesn't matter which wm you're using |
| 07:23.37 | Penix | Tau: ntpdate <server> |
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| 07:24.44 | Penix | one that's close to you |
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| 07:25.06 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.10 | Tau | due to my date being wrong. |
| 07:25.13 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.14 | Penix | Tau: based on what you've mentioned so far; make sure your general time/date settings are correct |
| 07:25.21 | Penix | Tau: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 07:25.30 | Tau | thanks penix. |
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| 07:27.02 | Penix | I don't know |
| 07:27.53 | Penix | <countrycode>.pool.ntp.org perhaps |
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| 07:28.26 | Tau | penix i cant look up brazil countrycode because i cant browser pages now. |
| 07:28.31 | Tau | penix could you look it up for me? |
| 07:28.48 | Penix | I'd assume it would be 'br', wouldn't it? |
| 07:28.57 | Tau | oh. |
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| 07:28.59 | Tau | yeah. |
| 07:29.01 | Tau | lol |
| 07:29.06 | Tau | i thought it was something else. |
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| 07:31.34 | Tau | great. |
| 07:31.40 | Tau | penix it worked. |
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| 08:02.45 | morfin | i am trying to boot debian-7.5.0-sparc-netinst.iso with qemu-system-sparc64 but it hangs up after remapping the kernel... done |
| 08:02.59 | morfin | any ideas why can that happen? |
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| 08:11.07 | tuorwork | hi, i desabled ipv6 (Mothod: Ignore) in my nm-applet. But every time when i connect i get an ipv6 address. Why? |
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| 08:11.47 | tuorwork | cat /etc/debian_version 7.5 |
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| 08:12.28 | tuorwork | I'm not using gnome desktop but some progs ex: the network-manager |
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| 08:17.56 | nkuttler | ,v python-boto |
| 08:17.58 | judd | Package: python-boto on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9b-4; squeeze-backports: 2.3.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.3.0-1; wheezy-backports: 2.25.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.27.0-1; sid: 2.27.0-1 |
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| 08:26.28 | thomaschaaf | Hi I'd like to run a hook script after ever icmp request I get. Is there a simple way to do that? Alternatively I could parse the output of "tcpdump ip proto \\icmp" but that seems bad |
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| 08:36.26 | [gnubie] | vm.swappiness = 10 |
| 08:36.28 | [gnubie] | given the above information, i'm wondering why my system is already swapping when i still have around 50% of physical memory that is still free.. |
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| 08:51.17 | Night_Elf | Is there any way of changing the alt-tab behaviour of gnome3? The stupidity of grouping similar windows together has no end, and switching back and forth between the latest two windows by simply alt-tabbing, becomes a nightmare. There HAS TO BE an option to turn off the 'group similars', it is wretched. |
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| 08:56.20 | bezaban | Night_Elf: there are multiple extensions that alters the behaviour of alt-tab |
| 08:56.41 | tomiondrums | Hello, I'm trying to patch and rebuild the libswt-gtk-3-java package (due to a crash when Combo.dispose() is called). However when I try to run "quilt push -a" to apply all patches that already came with the package source it doesn't do anything but replies "No series file found". |
| 08:56.43 | bezaban | https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 08:56.47 | tomiondrums | What does it mean? |
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| 08:57.54 | tomiondrums | (sorry if this is a stupid question but I'm really new to the debian packaging utilities) |
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| 08:58.51 | Night_Elf | bezaban: I will look at that. Thanks. I can't stand the normal alt-tab behaviour any more. I would have a browser open where there's something I need, I alt-tab to bring the terminal in front to type something I found on that webpage, and ALL the terminals will come to front, burying the browser deep low. |
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| 09:00.35 | flos | tomiondrums, i don't know much about debian packaging, maybe you can try manually patch the source and build? |
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| 09:03.49 | tomiondrums | flos: i actually tried to do so but if i run dpkg-buildpkg afterwards the automatic application of the packaged patches fails and the package is not being built. according to some manuals that i've found it's also necessary to apply all packaged patches first before adding my own patch (wich makes a lot of sense in my eyes) |
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| 09:08.17 | flos | tomiondrums, mm.. currently i don't have a debian box at hand, in my memory, you may try these steps: |
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| 09:08.24 | flos | apt-get source foobar |
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| 09:08.55 | flos | cd foobar-version and then patch -pX <your patch file> |
| 09:09.24 | flos | then dpkg-buildpkg to build your package. |
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| 09:10.18 | flos | sorry, generally should be: patch -pX < <file> |
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| 09:10.32 | tomiondrums | flos: (that's what i tried first but failed as i said) you're obviously missing the step in between apt-get source... and patch |
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| 09:11.33 | flos | tomiondrums, which step failed? patch command or the dpkg-buildpkg? |
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| 09:12.08 | flos | and you can paste a full log |
| 09:12.31 | tomiondrums | flos: dpkg-buildpkg failed since it couldn't apply the patch which adjusts the sources to a 64 bit architecture |
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| 09:12.59 | tomiondrums | flos: sorry i don't have the error log at my hand |
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| 09:14.27 | morfin | anybody loaded sparc64 debian on qemu? |
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| 09:20.57 | morfin | ok looks like that's impossible |
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| 09:22.47 | flos | tomiondrums, i could be easier to debug if you can post the results... |
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| 09:24.13 | jelly | morfin: it used to be possible, but sparc is being phased out of Debian completely anyway http://lwn.net/Articles/596663/ |
| 09:26.08 | morfin | shit :( |
| 09:26.20 | morfin | i wanted to run any system with big endian |
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| 09:36.30 | jelly | morfin: last I tried, debian 5 and 6 used to work and boot on real hardware (tested on an Ultra 5) |
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| 09:37.15 | morfin | i need to run big endian CPU |
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| 09:43.05 | morfin | lol http://tyom.blogspot.ru/2013/03/debiansparc64-wheezy-under-qemu-how-to.html |
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| 10:04.01 | cwillu_at_work | is there any way to do apt-get install --with-recommends some-package, but excluding one specific recommended package? |
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| 10:11.14 | babilen | cwillu_at_work: You can always remove packages with "apt-get install FOO-" .. so sprinkle in a "PKG-" for the PKG you don't want to install in your command. |
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| 10:18.53 | boodie | Hi, I am back, this time with my real name and grml ... trying to rescue my system (deb stable) |
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| 10:20.29 | koollman | boodie: what kind of rescue does your system need ? |
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| 10:21.23 | boodie | ok, yesterday my /var was full to the top, so I tried to enlarge it with gparted, but it encountered an error |
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| 10:21.44 | boodie | so I ended up with the whole disk as @unallocated@ |
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| 10:22.26 | boodie | what I tried was to expand /var at the expense of /usr, the neighbouring partition |
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| 10:22.32 | Skyrider | Greetings everyone. Sorry for the quick-join & ask. But is anyone here familiar with fail2ban? |
| 10:22.50 | Skyrider | It appears it is removing IP's within a a few hours, while the config is set to 1 day. |
| 10:23.04 | petn-randall | boodie: And you backed /usr up before doing that? |
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| 10:23.15 | boodie | nope |
| 10:23.24 | petn-randall | boodie: You can't "move" a partition in-place without loosing the data. |
| 10:23.35 | doebi | why does gnome network manager not AUTOMATICALLY connect to WPA2 Enterprise secured networks? |
| 10:23.40 | doebi | its a pain in the ass |
| 10:23.46 | boodie | I have done it several times before, with gparted |
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| 10:24.57 | boodie | Anyway, /home was a separate partition, I wonder whether I could access it, dump the data to a USB device and reinstall |
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| 10:28.05 | ompaul | trae32566: please fix your connection |
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| 10:28.09 | ompaul | lovley |
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| 10:29.10 | boodie | Anyway, from a "live" distro, how can I see what devices are accessible? |
| 10:29.36 | ompaul | !ops please point trea32566 to #fixyourconnection thanks |
| 10:29.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: ompaul complains about: please point trea32566 to #fixyourconnection thanks |
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| 10:32.10 | babilen | ompaul: ta |
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| 10:32.55 | ompaul | babilen: np |
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| 10:45.33 | petn-randall | doebi: Give it a chance and give it the credentials at least once. |
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| 10:48.47 | boodie | Hi, with grml, I launched gparted ... it found the partitions / and /usr ... all the rest of the disk is shown as "unallocated" ...are there chances to recover something? |
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| 10:50.21 | petn-randall | boodie: If you know *exactly* which partition layout you had, you can recreate the partition table and read the data off it. |
| 10:50.31 | d3sync | boodie if u really want to recover or at least try i d suggest you to use a live cd/usb with a distro equipped with forensic tools |
| 10:50.53 | frostschutz | boodie, testdisk for finding missing partitions |
| 10:51.02 | boodie | You mean the start and the end of each one? |
| 10:51.11 | boodie | testdisk ... |
| 10:51.51 | d3sync | BT5 and kali come with such tools for hdd recovery |
| 10:52.12 | boodie | I am in grml now |
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| 10:53.03 | boodie | I launched testdisk, it gives me the choice where to create a log ... |
| 10:54.02 | boodie | since I'm with a live distro, I suppose I should choose "No Log" ... |
| 10:55.16 | petn-randall | boodie: It's always good to have backups ... :) |
| 10:57.04 | boodie | Sure, I have backed up some time ago with kbackup (no idea how good it is) ... |
| 10:57.31 | boodie | I should define a more robust backup policy now ... |
| 10:58.04 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/xsJ8Z5zK |
| 10:58.06 | elichai2 | need help |
| 10:59.54 | boodie | http://pastebin.com/3P8FKa2s |
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| 11:01.04 | morfin | lol it works |
| 11:01.37 | boodie | it seems that it found the structure ... http://pastebin.com/SMP0rA45 |
| 11:01.51 | ChrisH | elichai2: check output form aptitude search weechat |
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| 11:02.05 | morfin | i followed this guide: http://tyom.blogspot.ru/2013/03/debiansparc64-wheezy-under-qemu-how-to.html and looks like that worked |
| 11:02.59 | petn-randall | elichai2: Do you have any "deb-src" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:03.41 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/iG5k0xPP |
| 11:04.09 | elichai2 | petn-randall: yeah i do |
| 11:04.35 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/f0Y2f3kF |
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| 11:06.00 | boodie | Ok, now it seems that testdisk has identified the partition structure of the disk hosting my deb stable, can I mount the /home partition and, say, back it up? |
| 11:06.09 | petn-randall | elichai2: There's no such package as "weechat-devel". If you want weechat's build dependencies, you'll need 'apt-get build-dep weechat'. |
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| 11:06.35 | elichai2 | petn-randall: yes there is |
| 11:06.41 | elichai2 | look at my second paste |
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| 11:07.58 | petn-randall | boodie: You might, yes, but make sure to mount it read-only. If the partition end is wrong, you'll still be able to read data up to a certain point. |
| 11:08.08 | petn-randall | elichai2: Not in Debian though: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=weechat-devel |
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| 11:09.08 | boodie | ok, given this structure, http://pastebin.com/SMP0rA45 , how do I mount /home_ |
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| 11:09.32 | petn-randall | elichai2: Can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy weechat-devel-core'? Also, use http://paste.debian.net, pastebin has a few issues, amongst them that it requires javascript. |
| 11:10.27 | elichai2 | petn-randall: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=weechat-dev |
| 11:11.33 | petn-randall | elichai2: "-dev" != "-devel", you just had a typo there. |
| 11:11.49 | elichai2 | dhttp://paste.debian.net/97521/ |
| 11:12.00 | elichai2 | yeah but if u look on the package it says devel |
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| 11:12.20 | elichai2 | ok, but it does give me other error now lol |
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| 11:12.51 | petn-randall | elichai2: Those are packages that don't exist in any repo. The output of your last paste tells me that the only source is /var/lib/dpkg/status. |
| 11:13.13 | armin | hi, anyone a clue why some of my fonts in iceweasel look non-antialiased? -- http://pulse.darkbyte.org/foo.png |
| 11:13.15 | petn-randall | elichai2: Btw, what are you trying to do? We might be able to help you with that. |
| 11:13.16 | elichai2 | http://paste.debian.net/97522/ |
| 11:13.46 | elichai2 | i'm trying to compile weechat-dev myself |
| 11:13.54 | petn-randall | elichai2: Looks like you've got non-Debian packages in your system that break it. |
| 11:13.59 | elichai2 | and i need the deps |
| 11:14.14 | elichai2 | i do have wheezy-backports |
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| 11:14.37 | petn-randall | elichai2: What is the output of aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 11:15.26 | elichai2 | http://paste.debian.net/97524/ |
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| 11:17.45 | petn-randall | elichai2: 'apt-get install libgnutls-dev' should give you the actual dependency error. |
| 11:18.40 | elichai2 | http://paste.debian.net/97527/ |
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| 11:20.28 | petn-randall | elichai2: 'apt-get install libp11-kit-dev', and carry on doing it analogically until you hit a different type of error. |
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| 11:22.01 | elichai2 | http://paste.debian.net/97529/ |
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| 11:24.27 | petn-randall | elichai2: Something seems wrong with your pinning. Do you use pinning? |
| 11:24.34 | boodie | Hi: testdisk has found my partitions, should I write them? I suppose this would be a definitive choice, then if something was wrong, there is no hope to recover the structure ... |
| 11:25.03 | elichai2 | petn-randall: what pinning is? |
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| 11:25.24 | petn-randall | boodie: As I said, just make sure that they're mounted read-only, then you'll have a second chance. |
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| 11:26.15 | boodie | ok, I tried "su -c "mount -t auto /dev/sdb /mnt"" |
| 11:26.31 | elichai2 | i think i fixed it :) |
| 11:26.35 | petn-randall | boodie: That's not read-only ... |
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| 11:26.56 | elichai2 | because that my /redraw |
| 11:26.58 | elichai2 | ops |
| 11:27.06 | petn-randall | boodie: "-o ro", check the man page to mount. |
| 11:27.24 | elichai2 | because that my libp11-kit was from wheezy-backports |
| 11:27.49 | elichai2 | so it was newer version than the libp11-kit-dev wanted, so i installed this one from backports too |
| 11:28.17 | petn-randall | elichai2: And now it works? |
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| 11:28.50 | elichai2 | Yep :) |
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| 11:29.29 | petn-randall | elichai2: Wonderful! Glad I could help. |
| 11:31.30 | elichai2 | thx |
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| 11:39.43 | innocent95 | Hi |
| 11:39.48 | SirLagz | hi |
| 11:40.19 | innocent95 | what's the command line to upgrade debian to an newer version ? |
| 11:40.28 | innocent95 | a* |
| 11:40.36 | SirLagz | which version to which version ? |
| 11:41.49 | innocent95 | SirLagz, is there a specific command for each any version ? |
| 11:42.16 | SirLagz | innocent95: no, but there's doco on what to do though |
| 11:42.24 | elichai2 | i'm looking for Good Terminal |
| 11:42.29 | SirLagz | innocent95: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:42.30 | elichai2 | with these options |
| 11:42.33 | elichai2 | : |
| 11:42.57 | elichai2 | normal fonts, Right Click Menu, click on URL's |
| 11:43.09 | SirLagz | elichai2: right click menu to do what ? |
| 11:43.11 | elichai2 | (prefer:RTL support) |
| 11:43.16 | SirLagz | RTL ? |
| 11:43.21 | elichai2 | SirLagz: copy/paste |
| 11:43.21 | elichai2 | yeah |
| 11:43.25 | SirLagz | what is RTL ? |
| 11:43.26 | elichai2 | Hebrew writing |
| 11:43.30 | SirLagz | oh right |
| 11:43.30 | elichai2 | Right-To-Left |
| 11:43.34 | SirLagz | ahh |
| 11:43.50 | SirLagz | elichai2: I use terminator for that, has right click menu, can click on URLs |
| 11:43.59 | SirLagz | elichai2: don't know what you mean by normal fonts though |
| 11:44.10 | elichai2 | SirLagz: you know xterm to rxvt? |
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| 11:44.16 | elichai2 | they don't have normal fonts... |
| 11:44.26 | SirLagz | what is 'normal' ? |
| 11:44.34 | elichai2 | normal to read |
| 11:44.34 | SirLagz | they look normal to me... |
| 11:44.38 | elichai2 | really?!?! |
| 11:44.42 | SirLagz | yes |
| 11:44.42 | elichai2 | they look like hell |
| 11:44.57 | elichai2 | ask anyone here/on the web |
| 11:44.59 | SirLagz | maybe I'm just used to xterm lol |
| 11:45.08 | SirLagz | I've used xterm for years now... |
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| 11:46.52 | elichai2 | terminator requires gnome :( |
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| 11:47.50 | SirLagz | elichai2: I'm not using gnome to use terminator |
| 11:48.19 | elichai2 | yeah but u must install gnome crap to use it |
| 11:48.26 | SirLagz | elichai2: yes, well that's life :P |
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| 11:48.44 | SirLagz | elichai2: do you have something against installing gnome libraries ? |
| 11:48.52 | elichai2 | yep |
| 11:48.53 | elichai2 | space |
| 11:48.55 | elichai2 | storage |
| 11:48.58 | elichai2 | speed |
| 11:49.00 | elichai2 | :) |
| 11:49.09 | SirLagz | elichai2: it doesn't really require that many gnome libraries |
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| 11:49.38 | SirLagz | and if installing a couple of libraries affects speed, then I'd say you have other issues :P |
| 11:50.02 | elichai2 | yes it does: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/terminator |
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| 11:50.18 | elichai2 | my laptop is shit |
| 11:50.35 | elichai2 | especially now that one of my RAM corrupted :( |
| 11:50.44 | SirLagz | 2 gnome libraries is a lot ? |
| 11:50.49 | SirLagz | elichai2: how much RAM does your laptop have ? |
| 11:50.58 | SirLagz | elichai2: and which WM/DE are you using ? |
| 11:51.02 | elichai2 | lol these 2 labraries requires 30 more |
| 11:51.09 | elichai2 | now it has 1GB :( |
| 11:51.19 | elichai2 | i use fluxbox |
| 11:51.29 | SirLagz | elichai2: and how much space in your laptop ? |
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| 11:52.09 | elichai2 | 320GB |
| 11:52.25 | elichai2 | but most of them aren't in my debian partition |
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| 11:53.01 | SirLagz | elichai2: how big's your Deb partition then ? |
| 11:53.13 | elichai2 | for now 75GB |
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| 11:53.21 | elichai2 | but i want to extend it in the future |
| 11:53.28 | elichai2 | (i'm afraid of loosing data) |
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| 11:53.58 | SirLagz | elichai2: 75 gigs is plenty ! |
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| 11:54.13 | elichai2 | no it isn't... |
| 11:54.17 | SirLagz | elichai2: i have machines running on 5-10 gigs :P |
| 11:54.25 | elichai2 | but through 50MB just for terminal?!?! |
| 11:54.34 | elichai2 | and it speed too.... |
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| 11:54.58 | SirLagz | elichai2: chances are, for the features you're looking for, you'll need to install some libraries from some DEs. |
| 11:55.30 | SirLagz | elichai2: feel free to prove me wrong though. Once you find a lighter terminal with those features, let me know, so that I can use it too :P |
| 11:55.31 | elichai2 | now i'm using LXTerminal |
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| 11:55.40 | elichai2 | and it almost perfect :( |
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| 11:55.49 | SirLagz | almost ? |
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| 11:56.15 | elichai2 | yeah, URL click dosen't work really well, and no RTL and i got a problem with weechat with it |
| 11:56.21 | SirLagz | ah |
| 11:56.34 | SirLagz | actually yeah. I've used LXterminal before, went back to terminator lol |
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| 11:59.08 | ChrisH | elichai2: are you using LVM? |
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| 12:01.36 | elichai2 | ChrisH: LVM=encryption? |
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| 12:02.33 | jelly | no |
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| 12:03.13 | elichai2 | ohhh yeah i do use LVM |
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| 12:04.11 | ChrisH | elichai2: OK. as you wrote about "extending the partition" |
| 12:04.41 | elichai2 | and...? |
| 12:04.52 | elichai2 | i'm using LVM and encryption |
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| 12:08.34 | ChrisH | and wanting to extend filesystems without LVM does not make fun. Thats all. |
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| 12:09.02 | SirLagz | ChrisH: extending without LVM is easy...resize partition. extend filesystem. Done ! |
| 12:09.49 | abrotman | its' pretty easy with LVM too |
| 12:10.09 | SirLagz | true |
| 12:10.23 | SirLagz | LVM makes it easy when you want one partition over 2 disks |
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| 12:21.49 | eristisk | Ooohhh I want Gwenview that can read RAW files!! Where is the 4.13? |
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| 12:23.15 | babilen | judd: v gwenview |
| 12:23.16 | judd | Package: gwenview on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.12.3-2; sid: 4:4.12.3-2 |
| 12:23.20 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 12:23.21 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 12:25.07 | ChrisH | SirLagz: how can you extend a parttion if the free disk space is at the end of the disk and the existing one is at the beginning... so it is not easy; only at some corner cases. |
| 12:25.32 | SirLagz | ChrisH: ah true |
| 12:25.50 | SirLagz | ChrisH: hmm...actually. I think you can still do that... |
| 12:25.57 | SirLagz | ChrisH: it's a bit harder to do that's all |
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| 12:26.35 | SirLagz | !ssb |
| 12:26.36 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:27.10 | ChrisH | SirLagz: there is no way I know abaout |
| 12:27.48 | SirLagz | ChrisH: I can't think of a way to do it while the system is online, but offline resizes are easy :P |
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| 12:43.41 | ChrisH | SirLagz: I cannot event think about a way doing it offline. |
| 12:43.55 | SirLagz | ChrisH: gparted livecd :P |
| 12:44.04 | eristisk | petn-randall: Gwenview RAW support is a huge bonus for my image editing workflow |
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| 12:45.14 | frostschutz | ChrisH, well, you can always use the device mapper directly. lvm without lvm so to speak. it sucks, of course |
| 12:45.30 | frostschutz | otherwise, have fun moving all the data |
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| 12:46.27 | petn-randall | eristisk: 4.13 isn't even packaged for Debian yet, so you'll either have to wait and backport it, or do a local install. But there are a several other picture viewers, and a few of them can probably read "RAW" (which isn't even a standardized format). |
| 12:47.56 | eristisk | petn-randall: Yes I know RAW isn't a standard format, but 4.13 can read anything that dcraw support, which includes pretty much all Canon RAW image formats. The other picture viewers I've tried load much more slowly than Gwenview or have an inferior UI |
| 12:48.20 | HicksD | are you wanting to do anything more than view? If so, darktable is a good option |
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| 12:49.02 | eristisk | HicksD: I am using Darktable for RAW processing, but after I dump the images to my SDD from the SD/CF cards, I use Gwenview to delete the bad images first |
| 12:49.19 | HicksD | ah, I do that inside darktable with the reject/delete option |
| 12:49.25 | eristisk | Darktable's lighttable mode is helpful but very slow to preview and delete bad images in comparison to Gwenview |
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| 12:53.01 | ChrisH | frostschutz: just for my curisity.. you will use device mapper (not MD) to create a concat device? a quick scan through dmsetup does not show such an option. |
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| 12:55.57 | frostschutz | ChrisH, I wouldn't, I just use LVM ;) but it's possible - it's what LVM normally does for you. it's 'dmsetup create', the input is described somewhere in linux/Documentation or if you already LVM then just 'dmsetup table' for examples |
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| 12:56.04 | d3sync | hmm on a system (wheezy) when i m trying to do 'apt-get upgrade' several packages return errors like this one -> dpkg: error processing libssl-dev (--configure): \n dependency problems - leaving unconfigured ... and so on ( http://paste.debian.net/97547/ ) |
| 12:56.26 | d3sync | any idea how to sort it out ? |
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| 12:58.06 | HD|Laptop | hi all |
| 12:58.24 | HD|Laptop | apparently omxplayer somehow hijacks console stdin even if you fork it off with omxplayer ... & |
| 12:58.38 | HD|Laptop | a ctrl c doesnt kill it and shows up like root@raspberry-pi:~# ^C |
| 12:58.48 | HD|Laptop | but no other keyboard inputs are accepted |
| 12:58.59 | HD|Laptop | when I kill it off from another shell, the prompt works agaqi |
| 12:59.05 | HD|Laptop | how do I prevent this? |
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| 13:01.55 | ChrisH | frostschutz: ACK, seems to work but looks ugly. I stay with LVM. |
| 13:02.36 | ChrisH | d3sync: dotdeb repos involved? |
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| 13:05.35 | DoctorD90 | hello! i often run in live mode, and to prevent to download all stuff that i have to use, i have downloaded them in a folder. once i have install them, i run apt-get install with redirect of folder, so, it starts to installation phase. my issue is with youtube-dl. it is in another repo. so i'd have to add to apt-repolist and update.....how evade this step at boot in live? have i copy replace some files? |
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| 13:05.55 | d3sync | ChrisH this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/97551/ |
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| 13:06.40 | abrotman | DoctorD90: use wget to get the package? |
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| 13:07.52 | DoctorD90 | abrotman: i have used wget in downloadonly mode to retrieve alla pkg+dependies. yes |
| 13:08.12 | abrotman | doesn't see the problem ? |
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| 13:08.49 | DoctorD90 | my problem comes with youtube-dl :) it is in another repo....ok i will explain all.my steps: |
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| 13:11.09 | abrotman | judd: info youtube-dl |
| 13:11.10 | judd | No package named 'youtube-dl' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 13:11.10 | DoctorD90 | i have download with wget pkg+depencies of all my packages. i have add the repo of youtube-dl in apt-list. i download it too with wget in the same fixed path. i copy folder .on my pendrive..i have reboot live, but at wget phase, it tells 'i dont know youtube-dl' ...i need a internet connection and i have to add repo in list, an update repos. next i can install it |
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| 13:11.13 | abrotman | oh .. that's right .. removed from wheezy |
| 13:11.29 | DoctorD90 | uh...usefull script ^^ |
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| 13:11.46 | Nik05 | quvi works ;) |
| 13:11.47 | abrotman | DoctorD90: maybe put all your steps in a pastebin so we can review them ? |
| 13:12.05 | abrotman | DoctorD90: there are other similar apps already in Debian, clive and minitube come to mind |
| 13:12.14 | DammitJim | if I mounted a samba share, disconnect from the network and connect somewhere else (that has access to the samba share), what should I do to "refresh" the mount? |
| 13:12.21 | DammitJim | I'm doing an 'ls' and it'snot returning |
| 13:13.03 | ChrisH | d3sync: I assume you did a apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a |
| 13:13.23 | d3sync | ChrisH yes i tried both of em |
| 13:14.08 | ChrisH | d3sync: show the commands and their output on paste.debian.net (anyrthing in dmesg like filesystem problems, disk full, ...) |
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| 13:14.15 | lacrymology | how can I make sure updates / new installs work with very slow and highly unreliable connections? |
| 13:14.22 | DoctorD90 | abrotman: 1.i dont know them :) so i will check them :D .... 2.im from phone, so i can only remember morr or less my command :) |
| 13:14.24 | lacrymology | as in: is there a way to make apt keep retrying and not panic when something gets lost? |
| 13:14.40 | abrotman | DoctorD90: maybe wait til you're at your computer then? |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | lacrymology: it retries a number of times already |
| 13:15.09 | DoctorD90 | i have some times now :) so i come :) tyx btw ^^ |
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| 13:15.19 | abrotman | lacrymology: additionally, look into a proxy like approx or apt-cacher-ng |
| 13:15.40 | lacrymology | abrotman: I just got a number of "size mismatch" and E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing |
| 13:15.58 | abrotman | lacrymology: pastebin your sources.list (paste.debian.net pleasE) |
| 13:15.59 | lacrymology | abrotman: ok, I'll look into that |
| 13:16.41 | ChrisH | lacrymology: use the download only option |
| 13:17.11 | DoctorD90 | abrotman: what are the packages about youtube that you suggest me? |
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| 13:17.36 | DoctorD90 | clive and minitube..ok ^^ great ^^ |
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| 13:22.19 | d3sync | ChrisH: both apt-get -f install and dpkg command return this http://paste.debian.net/97547/ and the dmesg http://paste.debian.net/97557/ |
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| 13:25.56 | happytux | I become insane, really. I want to use python3 pip, not python2 pip, I installed package python3-pip, but when I launch pip, I get always get the pip for python2, not for python3. |
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| 13:26.41 | happytux | anyone? |
| 13:27.27 | ChrisH | d3sync: you did an apt-get update at the very beginning, I assume. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg00897.html and then https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg00901.html |
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| 13:27.56 | wols_ | happytux: virtualenv. it just happens that the py2 pip is in the path I guess |
| 13:28.16 | themill | happytux: if you want python 3's pip, run pip3 |
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| 13:29.50 | happytux | wols_: There is no update-alternatives --config python although it would make sense, wouldn't it? |
| 13:30.33 | themill | happytux: no, that wouldn't make any sense at all. /usr/bin/python is supposed to be python2 (and it is). /usr/bin/pip (and pyflakes and ...) are also all python 2 versions. |
| 13:30.48 | happytux | themill: but why did they do this with java as one also could have the choise, right? |
| 13:30.59 | happytux | themill: I tried pip3 command but pip3 is not found. |
| 13:31.14 | themill | If you changed /usr/bin/python to point to a different version, you'd break just about every python script on the system. python3 is not just a newer python, it's an incompatible language |
| 13:31.14 | happytux | I installed package python3-pip. |
| 13:31.22 | happytux | themill: ah |
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| 13:31.48 | happytux | themill: python3 command is available, pip3 command is not although package 'python3-pip' is installed. |
| 13:31.49 | themill | happytux: which release of debian is this? |
| 13:31.53 | happytux | It is a Debian Wheezy amd64 |
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| 13:32.22 | themill | it may well be "pip-3.2" in wheezy (it's pip3 in jessie) |
| 13:32.33 | happytux | oh |
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| 13:32.52 | happytux | Only wheezy sources are used, pip-3.2 can't be found by apt |
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| 13:33.12 | themill | no, I mean /usr/bin/pip-3.2 |
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| 13:34.21 | happytux | oh! |
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| 13:34.28 | happytux | yes, this works |
| 13:34.33 | happytux | themill: thank |
| 13:34.44 | DoctorD90 | abrotman: at installation it tells: Package youtube-dl is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleterd or is onl |
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| 13:35.39 | DoctorD90 | only available from another source. E: Package 'youtube-dl' has no installation candidate |
| 13:35.40 | themill | DoctorD90: aren't you running wheezy there? |
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| 13:36.04 | DoctorD90 | ??? what do you mean sorry themill ? |
| 13:36.17 | themill | DoctorD90: which version of debian are you using? |
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| 13:36.50 | DoctorD90 | ah, yes, wheezy if mt memory doesnt trick me |
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| 13:37.07 | themill | DoctorD90: as abrotman said, youtube-dl is not in wheezy. Use clive instead |
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| 13:38.03 | DoctorD90 | ah! but yes, i yet tell that i add the repo in etc/apt/source.list |
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| 13:38.11 | themill | "the repo"? |
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| 13:39.28 | DoctorD90 | i have googled youtube-dl. it says that to install trougth apt, i have to add the string in /etc/apt/source.list and update |
| 13:39.28 | htmlcoder | hey |
| 13:39.47 | A|an | Is it "okay" to set to the swap partition size to the match the memory that will be available in a future upgrade (16GB) as opposed to the currents system's RAM spec (4GB)? |
| 13:40.03 | DoctorD90 | i'd like to know HOW elude the 'update' step at each boot of live :) |
| 13:40.04 | A|an | and this is for a new installation |
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| 13:40.41 | themill | DoctorD90: youtube-dl is not available for debian wheezy. Reading random crap you find with google doesn't change that |
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| 13:41.10 | boodie | Hi: yesterday I wrecked my deb box (stable amd64) trying to expand /var. Today I managed, with grlm, to rewrite the partitions ... it seems to work; now, is it possible from here (the live distro) to free some space in /var? |
| 13:41.28 | DoctorD90 | wait please :) i will find google page :) 1 sec please :) ...because it seems a debian repo page :) |
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| 13:41.42 | ioudas | does anyone know if the nm10 and nm70 chipsets work well with debian? |
| 13:41.59 | themill | DoctorD90: not available for wheezy. |
| 13:42.16 | htmlcoder | they do. |
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| 13:42.48 | htmlcoder | debian runs well on pretyt much anything. |
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| 13:43.20 | Sark | Yes it does. |
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| 13:43.38 | d3sync | thnx ChrisH worked like a charm |
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| 13:44.03 | Sark | pets his Pentium Pro 200. |
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| 13:44.55 | DoctorD90 | themill: i look at this page :) https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/youtube-dl/download |
| 13:45.21 | themill | DoctorD90: and where does it say that it's available for wheezy? |
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| 13:45.24 | DoctorD90 | if i wrong, please, tell me how/where, so i can learn for the future ^^ |
| 13:45.46 | DoctorD90 | i add that in source.list, update and installed. it works :/ |
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| 13:45.53 | themill | no, don't do that |
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| 13:46.06 | DoctorD90 | ok, why? :) |
| 13:46.39 | themill | dpkg: tell DoctorD90 about bobbitt |
| 13:46.39 | DoctorD90 | for the future, how can understand where i can do this for another pkg? :) |
| 13:46.49 | themill | don't mix releases. |
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| 13:47.14 | DoctorD90 | ah...the faster reason. understand. thx. |
| 13:47.15 | boodie | Hi: I badly need to free some space in /var (my box has a full /var and it doesn't let me use apt-get). There is a rather large /var/games ... is it safe to empty it? |
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| 13:47.51 | DoctorD90 | so clive have to help me. ok ^^ thx themill ^^ and to all others about help :) good day :) |
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| 13:54.24 | htmlcoder | sup |
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| 13:56.43 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow. |
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| 13:57.11 | htmlcoder | whats up |
| 13:57.16 | htmlcoder | what u people doin |
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| 13:57.36 | htmlcoder | what u readin |
| 13:57.47 | ompaul | htmlcoder: perhaps that's not a debian question. |
| 13:57.57 | themill | htmlcoder: perhaps you were looking for #defocus ? |
| 13:57.59 | boodie | Hi: I'm trying to recover a system ... can anybody help? |
| 13:58.03 | htmlcoder | noone talks about debian 24/7 |
| 13:58.15 | htmlcoder | that channel is full of idiots |
| 13:58.30 | themill | htmlcoder: this is a help channel |
| 13:58.45 | htmlcoder | i know, themill |
| 13:58.49 | ompaul | boodie: describe what you mean by recover a system. |
| 13:58.59 | htmlcoder | doesnt mean its absolutely prohibited to talk about anything else |
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| 13:59.17 | Procy0n | htmlcoder, should mean. I'm not interested in off-topic BS. |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | boodie: we need many more details |
| 14:00.01 | ompaul | boodie: i.e. what was it, what was done to it, how did it get to not very recoverable. |
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| 14:01.45 | tdn | I have a debian 7 file server with 4 internal disks and 1 eSATA disk. I am wondering if I can turn on the eSATA disk while the server is running? Or if I have to have it attached from bootup? |
| 14:02.06 | tdn | s/attached/attached and powered on/ |
| 14:02.13 | boodie | Ok, yesterday I was blocked with no space left in /var, so I tried to enlarge /var with gparted |
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| 14:02.36 | frostschutz | tdn, depends, if your system supports hotplugging or not. works fine for me in ahci mode |
| 14:03.10 | tdn | frostschutz, how do I check if it does? And can I damage anything if it does not support hotplugging and I try it? |
| 14:03.26 | boodie | in the middle of it, it stopped with an error (couldn't finish the resize/move of a partition). Today, I managed to reconstruct the partition with the grml live distro |
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| 14:04.27 | boodie | Now I'm in grml ... in my deb stable box apt-get, aptitude, orphaner etc. don-t work |
| 14:04.30 | frostschutz | tdn, umount/free the disk and unplug, then reconnect the cable. if it does not work, you'll lose access to the disk until you reboot. |
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| 14:04.48 | abrotman | boodie: use a pastebin to show us errors |
| 14:05.16 | client | Hello, is anyone here using Matlab 2013 or 2014 on stable or unstable? |
| 14:05.21 | tdn | frostschutz, ok, is it the disk, the controller, the disk enclosure or all of them that must have the hotplug support? |
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| 14:05.32 | tdn | frostschutz, not sure where hotplug support is actually implemented. |
| 14:05.41 | tdn | frostschutz, the disk is WD10EZRX |
| 14:06.01 | boodie | ok, in the linux box irssi doesn't work either, so I have to get in there, try something ^ come back here (in grlm) |
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| 14:06.11 | frostschutz | tdn, the controller and the way its configured in your bios/kernel |
| 14:06.28 | tdn | frostschutz, the controller in the server? Or in the eSATA enclosure that contains the disk? |
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| 14:07.23 | boodie | I have the /var mounted, is there anything that can be useful from it? |
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| 14:08.02 | abrotman | boodie: are there any subdirectories of /var/ ? |
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| 14:10.22 | boodie | http://pastebin.com/puSDaSw1 |
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| 14:11.20 | boodie | I was wondering whether to clear /var/games ... |
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| 14:12.13 | eristisk | Strange... why would a package like this exist in main https://packages.debian.org/sid/kiwix |
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| 14:12.37 | eristisk | When it depends on a library that doesn't even exist in the same version of Debian? (libclucene0ldbl) |
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| 14:13.54 | themill | eristisk: sid is not a self-consistent release |
| 14:14.06 | eristisk | Fair enough. |
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| 14:14.33 | eristisk | themill: Worthy of a bug report against kiwix at least? |
| 14:14.42 | petn-randall | eristisk: sid doesn't even focus on being consistent ... :) |
| 14:14.50 | themill | it's already got enough bugs against it pointing this out |
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| 14:15.19 | themill | (I think the bug it needs is an RM bug filed against the ftp.d.o pseudopackage) |
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| 14:16.31 | ompaul | boodie: not enough info df -h and showing the rest of the debian box would be useful given one of the creation dates is 2006 I'd be inclined to backup and nuke the disk from space |
| 14:17.00 | petn-randall | (nuking from space)++ |
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| 14:21.49 | boodie | ompaul: from the box nothing works , let alone the irc client or the net, I was wondering if there is anything that I could do from here |
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| 14:22.51 | boodie | ompaul: the other idea I have would be to copy /var/cache/apt/archives to an external disk, bind it and see if it was possible to clean up something |
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| 14:29.23 | ompaul | babilen: I wouldn't bother |
| 14:29.28 | ompaul | woops |
| 14:29.37 | ompaul | boodie: I wouldn't bother |
| 14:29.38 | babilen | okay |
| 14:29.41 | ompaul | ah |
| 14:29.49 | babilen | doesn't bother either |
| 14:29.55 | ompaul | babilen: the I wouldn't bother was misdirected |
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| 14:30.14 | ompaul | babilen: seperate note I sent you a pm but now I am called upon to do the crossword (bank holiday here) |
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| 14:34.23 | zorael | Does anyone know of a tool to help with updating a package's debian/* files to a new version of the source? Say the new version now installs stuff not listed in the older *.install files, some tool that would point that out? |
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| 14:39.22 | themill | zorael: there's no way of doing that automatically (wildcards in the install files might help, but you're still reviewing the changes manually) |
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| 14:40.16 | zorael | themill: I mostly want the changes... presented, if that makes sense |
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| 14:41.03 | zorael | highlighted |
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| 14:41.28 | zorael | pointed out! :3 |
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| 14:45.59 | themill | zorael: debdiff can show you that, or compare the output of dpkg-deb -c from the two packages |
| 14:46.09 | Sh1G3rU | 30get.adobe.com/flashplayer |
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| 14:47.28 | petn-randall | Sh1G3rU: No thanks. |
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| 14:49.10 | armin | hi, i just had this in a kern.log on a xen virtualized debian machine: http://fpaste.org/99235/99301278/ -- does anyone know how to find details on why this was happening maybe? |
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| 14:52.33 | petn-randall | armin: Can you reproduce the problem on the Debian kernels? |
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| 14:54.13 | armin | petn-randall: no. |
| 14:54.22 | armin | petn-randall: at least it never happened to me on those. |
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| 14:55.02 | Hanumaan | any idea what is the problem in apt update "Cannot initiate the connection to http.debian.net:80 (2a01:4f8:131:152c::42). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP:" |
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| 14:55.33 | Hanumaan | I was trying to do apt-get update |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | Hanumaan: Do you actually have IPv6 for that connection ? |
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| 14:56.04 | petn-randall | hamarukusa: Do you have IPv6 connectivity? |
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| 14:56.34 | Hanumaan | no I do not have IPv6 how do deactivate it and allow it to use only IPv4 ? |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | Hanumaan: ip addr show |
| 14:56.53 | abrotman | are you sure you don't have IPv6? |
| 14:57.05 | petn-randall | armin: Then you'll have to ask the provider of those kernels what's up. Is there a reason why you're not using the kernels provided by Debian? |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | waits for Dagger to magically appear |
| 15:01.30 | armin | petn-randall: well it's a cloud-VM provider we're using and i'm aware of possible side-effects of using those customized kernels, but i' |
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| 15:01.43 | Hanumaan | abrotman, I am not sure .. this is what I get : http://paste.debian.net/97594/ |
| 15:02.02 | armin | petn-randall: err, erroneous enter key use... ...but i'm still trying to find some info on why that generally could happen, or what's actually happening there. |
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| 15:04.23 | petn-randall | armin: There's apparently a bug somewhere in the Xen module. But since the kernel seems to be old, why bother? It might be fixes in the newer, and Debian-supported version in the repo. |
| 15:04.35 | petn-randall | s/fixes/fixed/ |
| 15:04.40 | armin | petn-randall: allright. thanks a lot. |
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| 15:06.04 | antithesis | I'm having unmet dependencies for many regular packages, like okular and evince. Here's the output if I try to install evince: http://paste.debian.net/97597/ Tracking that (installing those dependencies) results in a dependency hell. Could anyone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 15:07.02 | antithesis | Furthermore, here are my /etc/apt/{sources.list and preferences} files |
| 15:07.12 | antithesis | http://paste.debian.net/97595/ and http://paste.debian.net/97596/ |
| 15:07.23 | themill | antithesis: which release of debian? What command gave that output? Can you provide us with the output of "apt-cache policy evince libevview3-3 libgail-3-0; apt-cache policy" |
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| 15:08.19 | themill | (and if you've been mixing in packages from testing, this is likely to be the problem) |
| 15:08.21 | antithesis | themill Stable. sudo apt-get install evince. Here's the output of that command: http://paste.debian.net/97601/ |
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| 15:08.44 | themill | and the other half of that command? |
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| 15:09.19 | antithesis | http://paste.debian.net/97604/ |
| 15:10.00 | themill | what a mess |
| 15:10.14 | antithesis | themill I did have testing enabled, but I pinned it to priority 400 so that it only installs from there if I explicitly state so. I also disabled it and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:10.31 | themill | that doesn't remove the mess you've made |
| 15:10.31 | antithesis | That doesn't get rid of the testing packages? |
| 15:10.34 | antithesis | o |
| 15:10.47 | themill | "dist-upgrade" doesn't sound much like |
| 15:10.50 | zorael | themill: I'll look into debdiff, but to clarify I have a package source of an old version (Foo 1.0), and I want to update it to a new version (Foo 2.0) -- so at square 1 I have a freshly extracted tarball with the (slightly mismatching) /debian directory from the old package dropped in |
| 15:10.51 | themill | "downgrade" |
| 15:11.11 | antithesis | meh |
| 15:11.15 | antithesis | I hoped it'd work like nix |
| 15:11.35 | antithesis | Is my system fubar? |
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| 15:11.54 | themill | dpkg: tell antithesis about not available |
| 15:12.01 | themill | antithesis: what's the output of that command? |
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| 15:12.35 | antithesis | of what command now? |
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| 15:13.39 | antithesis | http://paste.debian.net/97605/ |
| 15:13.42 | antithesis | themill |
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| 15:14.09 | themill | welcome to testing. |
| 15:14.37 | themill | !unmixing |
| 15:14.37 | dpkg | You can't unmix releases. Downgrading isn't supported by apt, by the maintainer scripts or the packages. If you're in this situation, you have 3 choices, none of which is fun: (1) upgrade to testing and learn a lot about Debian very quickly to solve the problems you will face (not for servers!) (2) ask me about <partial downgrade> and *try* to go backwards to the older release or (3) restore from backup/reinstall. |
| 15:14.51 | wheezer | is there a list of packages removed in wheezy? |
| 15:15.12 | themill | wheezer: what do you mean? |
| 15:15.42 | antithesis | What happens if I uninstall everything in that list and reinstall them again with testing disabled? |
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| 15:16.01 | wheezer | in the release, the docs say there were a bunch of pkgs removed and i wanted to see a list |
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| 15:16.25 | wheezer | removed from the rep i mean |
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| 15:16.31 | themill | antithesis: it might work... up to the point where config files have been upgraded for you to the newer versions. |
| 15:16.59 | themill | wheezer: removed compared to what? |
| 15:17.18 | wheezer | squeeze |
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| 15:17.58 | themill | there's not much of interest. I doubt there's an authoritative list but you could make one yourself from the Packages files on the mirrors |
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| 15:19.12 | wheezer | ok thanks |
| 15:19.33 | themill | I mean, the list of removed packages will include a pile of things like "libssl0.9.8 is removed" and "libssl1.0.0" is added because the package changed name (because the soname changed). |
| 15:19.46 | petn-randall | wheezer: This is the list of most interesting packages that were removed: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete |
| 15:19.48 | themill | the ones you are likely to care about are listed in the release notes |
| 15:19.55 | themill | ^^ there |
| 15:19.57 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 15:20.42 | wheezer | great thanks :) |
| 15:21.10 | themill | (but even that list is mostly "python2.5 is replace by python2.7" sort of notes) |
| 15:21.57 | wheezer | i am just a release notes reading kind of guy |
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| 15:24.35 | jelly | funny how libssl0.9.8 is not even in oldlibs |
| 15:25.31 | themill | transition was completed |
| 15:25.57 | themill | (istr a discussion about doing so) |
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| 15:28.05 | zq_ | what's the #debian consensus on nixos? |
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| 15:29.02 | jelly | throwing a bone to third party software might have been nice, but squeeze-lts might jump in there |
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| 15:30.02 | jelly | zq_: what is nixos and is there a reason inhabitants of Here would be interested? |
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| 15:31.12 | ompaul | jelly: something not debian |
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| 15:31.33 | ompaul | so you don't want to know, and no are the things I say about your question. |
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| 15:36.32 | jelly | what droids? |
| 15:36.42 | bodeezl | these are the droids we are looking for |
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| 15:43.06 | morfin | i can't find cdrom in my qemu :( |
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| 15:48.48 | morfin | what name is being used for cdroms with virtio? |
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| 15:49.07 | morfin | *usually |
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| 15:49.47 | levifig | how doable is sharing a filesystem between 2 VMs? Like, having 2 VMs mount a filesystem and read-write to it? |
| 15:50.15 | Artemis3 | nfs? |
| 15:50.22 | levifig | no no, straight filesystem |
| 15:50.28 | levifig | like a hard drive |
| 15:50.34 | levifig | (on a VM) |
| 15:50.35 | morfin | iscsi? |
| 15:50.38 | morfin | ow |
| 15:50.40 | levifig | no :) |
| 15:50.45 | kitai | clvm |
| 15:50.54 | levifig | I'm thinking attaching a VHD to 2 VMs :P |
| 15:51.12 | kitai | you need a clustered filesystem |
| 15:51.20 | morfin | i don't think that's a good idea |
| 15:51.20 | levifig | (sounds like a terrible idea the more I talk about it haha) |
| 15:51.44 | morfin | lol |
| 15:51.55 | levifig | I'm thinking file locks would go nuts |
| 15:51.58 | levifig | :> |
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| 15:52.18 | morfin | i am installing Debian(SPARC64) from Putty to running Debian in Virtual Box on Windows 7 |
| 15:52.23 | morfin | holy fuck |
| 15:52.31 | levifig | lol |
| 15:52.51 | morfin | i wanted just test my prog with BE CPU(i don't have one) |
| 15:53.07 | morfin | i don't give a f**k about speed etc |
| 15:53.22 | Skyrider | Does anyone happen to know why fail2ban empties hosts.deny after a restart and or why it removes banned IP's within a few hours or less when the config says it removes the IP in a day? |
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| 15:54.22 | morfin | maybe it just trims file? |
| 15:54.32 | morfin | when start |
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| 15:54.50 | morfin | or just echo '' >> hosts.deny |
| 15:55.02 | morfin | *echo '' > hosts.deny |
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| 15:55.23 | Sh1G3rU | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.29 | galex-713 | aunsteir |
| 15:57.27 | morfin | if my ugly hack would work.. |
| 15:57.59 | morfin | funny why Debian installed initrd does not have virtio drivers? |
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| 15:58.06 | morfin | *installer |
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| 16:00.45 | klrr_ | which is the prefered network manager to use? |
| 16:01.03 | somiaj | klrr_: the one you like the best |
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| 16:01.21 | somiaj | klrr_: I would suggest don't use any, but I like to configure things from the cli |
| 16:01.32 | morfin | what's network manager? |
| 16:01.36 | morfin | :D |
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| 16:01.45 | porton | Why X with GDM does not start in enforcing SELinux mode, even when I uninstall selinux-policy-default? |
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| 16:03.15 | klrr_ | somiaj: do you got some neat script or do you manually connect your computer each time you change network? if so that's not feasable for me since im on a laptop ;) |
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| 16:04.06 | petn-randall | morfin: It does last time I checked, you may have to load them from the expert menu. |
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| 16:04.56 | Reelax | i need dual OS, first install Win7 on part1 and then debian on part2 ? |
| 16:05.10 | porton | Reelax: Virtual Box |
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| 16:05.21 | petn-randall | Reelax: Yes, that order is easier than the other way around. |
| 16:05.37 | Reelax | porton: performance not soo good on vbox |
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| 16:06.43 | Reelax | petn-randall: after that's done Grub handles both i guess ? |
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| 16:07.06 | petn-randall | Reelax: Yes. |
| 16:07.12 | grzeslaw | Hi, I have some question... |
| 16:07.21 | petn-randall | grzeslaw: shoot |
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| 16:07.38 | porton | Reelax: remember that Windows' fdisk damages some sectors after the end of a partition |
| 16:07.52 | petn-randall | porton: ?? |
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| 16:08.07 | porton | petn-randall: Windows bug. Use Linux |
| 16:08.26 | petn-randall | porton: I'd like to have a source to that claim. |
| 16:08.35 | porton | petn-randall: I don't remember |
| 16:08.38 | grzeslaw | I am running debian 6.08 wioth the newest mysql version available: 5.1.73-1 .. I just read DSA-2919-1 mysql-5.5 -- security update ... but it is for mysql 5.5 which is probably available in debian 7 repositories.. should I be aware for my current version of mysql ? |
| 16:08.48 | Reelax | windows will be used for gaming |
| 16:08.54 | Reelax | otherwise i hate it |
| 16:09.05 | zq_ | dpkg: live-boot |
| 16:09.06 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zq_ |
| 16:09.09 | tath | Reelax: what games are you running? (since most also run on Linux) |
| 16:09.24 | porton | Reelax: The goverments should buy licenses and development to play Linux games gratis for every citizen |
| 16:09.29 | zq_ | what exactly does live-boot add? |
| 16:09.30 | Reelax | it's a driving simulation, they dont have linux verison. |
| 16:09.35 | petn-randall | grep0r: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-2919-1 ... MySQL 5.1 is not affected. |
| 16:09.40 | tath | Reelax: what's the name? |
| 16:10.08 | morfin | i hope i wasted so many time to run Debian in qemu for SPARC64 not to get some stupid error |
| 16:10.11 | Reelax | City Car Driving, it's great |
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| 16:10.54 | Reelax | oh forgot my main question |
| 16:10.57 | petn-randall | tath, Reelax, porton, this is primarily a Debian support channel, could you take any other discussion to #debian-offtopic? |
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| 16:11.34 | grzeslaw | petn-randall: thanks! |
| 16:11.55 | surf | hi guys I just rebooted my debian jessie and at the login prompt it says "incorrect password". I tried loggin in into ctrl+fx and everything work there. any clue? |
| 16:11.56 | tath | Reelax: that really seems not to run on Linux |
| 16:11.57 | Reelax | petn-randall: i dont wanna be rude to ignore questions, im here for linux |
| 16:12.06 | petn-randall | grzeslaw: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-2919-1 ... MySQL 5.1 is not affected. Yeah, highlighted the wrong person :) |
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| 16:12.58 | Reelax | i have an upto date debian 7.5. so i will now take the image of linux partition. install Win7 on part1 , then install debian on part2 and copy home dir to the new installation , is this a clean solution ? |
| 16:13.07 | petn-randall | Reelax: You can also chat in both channels, but try to keep it on-topic in here, thanks. |
| 16:13.17 | grzeslaw | petn-randall: btw: why I am not able to update mysql to version 5.5 by default? |
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| 16:13.29 | grzeslaw | should I use another repo for that? or dist upgrade is mandatory for that... |
| 16:13.30 | tath | Reelax: generally, check out appdb.winehq.org and playonlinux.com since most famous games can be amulated well |
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| 16:13.49 | petn-randall | grzeslaw: Because generally stable Debian releases don't get major updates, only security bugfixes. |
| 16:13.58 | Reelax | tath, let's quit game talk before we are kicked :) |
| 16:14.05 | jelly | grzeslaw: there is no 5.5 in Debian 6, you would have to upgrade your whole OS to Debian 7 |
| 16:14.17 | tath | Reelax: it was one last statement and it's wholly about Debian :-) |
| 16:14.33 | Reelax | ok thanks |
| 16:14.36 | grzeslaw | I see.. ;] |
| 16:14.37 | Reelax | will check |
| 16:15.13 | grzeslaw | I am always scared of dist upgrades.. my fingers are always crossed and sweaty :D |
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| 16:16.02 | tath | grzeslaw: so what are you doing instead? safe-upgrade? |
| 16:16.47 | petn-randall | You can't "safe-upgrade" to a new release ... that's just not how it works. |
| 16:17.10 | Reelax | so copying the root dir while pc is not running , to the new installed debian partition is a clean cloning ? |
| 16:17.20 | grzeslaw | petn-randall: no.. full-upgrade |
| 16:17.28 | petn-randall | In general it's a good idea to read the release notes, make backups, and then dist-upgrade. Debian has a pretty good track record regarding upgrades, and if anything should fail, you still have the backups. |
| 16:17.29 | surf | it looks like it's a problem with the new screen that appears after the monitor goes off. Any way to remove it from console? |
| 16:18.31 | petn-randall | surf: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Welcome to testing, if it breaks you get to keep the pieces ;) |
| 16:18.41 | surf | k thx |
| 16:18.47 | Reelax | petn-randall: you have an answer for me ? |
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| 16:19.44 | petn-randall | Reelax: Oh, you already have Debian on your system? You can back it up, install Windows, and restore it, yes, but you need to reinstall grub after that. And it's more manual work. |
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| 16:21.05 | Reelax | copying root directory of old linux to the new one will just change the location ? there will be no problem ? |
| 16:21.16 | Reelax | on same PC |
| 16:21.32 | petn-randall | Reelax: If you do it right, yes. Gotta go though, I'll be back later. |
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| 16:23.01 | Reelax | petn-randall: while offline i will just copy the root dir. |
| 16:23.18 | Reelax | will rsync it. |
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| 16:29.59 | mingtsay | hi, could I paste (of course gist) my iptables script in order to know if it is fine or not? |
| 16:30.11 | mingtsay | about security or something else |
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| 16:30.30 | centrx | You could certainly try it and see if it works |
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| 16:31.22 | mingtsay | centrx: it works but I wanna know what do you think about it. is it security enough for my home use, etc? |
| 16:31.57 | centrx | You could certainly paste it and see if anyone responds |
| 16:32.23 | centrx | "Do not ask to ask" |
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| 16:33.50 | CissWit | mingtsay: for home use blocking everything that enters the network except specific ports for your needs is enough for "typical" home use. For "your" home use i don't know what is enough. Much depends how secure you want to be. |
| 16:34.20 | mingtsay | centrx: okay, here is my script https://gist.github.com/mingtsay/5cfc7afdfeb0b3edc411 |
| 16:34.45 | CissWit | so except checking that the defaults for forward and input packets are "drop", hard to tell if it's secure enough. |
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| 16:35.44 | MoodyMob | I need help , regarding my preseed configuration |
| 16:36.35 | MoodyMob | I would to setup a Raid 1 for "/" about 8G of space |
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| 16:36.53 | MoodyMob | and a Raid 1 for Swap about 4G |
| 16:36.58 | MoodyMob | that's all |
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| 16:38.04 | boodie | Hi everybody: I am planning to reinstall the system. The GRML live cd seems to have a HD debian installation option. Is there a smart way to do the job, so I can reinstall the same packages that I had? |
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| 16:41.24 | mingtsay | alright… |
| 16:42.14 | shingouz | boodie: GRML? |
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| 16:43.00 | boodie | grml, is a live distro |
| 16:43.57 | mtn | boodie: it is not debian, though. just use the netinstall |
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| 16:44.22 | shingouz | boodie: and let me guess, it is based on debian so you thought that we support it here. the most help you will get is to do dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:44.26 | shingouz | umh.. |
| 16:45.25 | shingouz | as in... dpkg --get-selections > packages.file then after the install dpkg --set-selections < packages.file |
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| 16:45.48 | boodie | No, that's fine: so you advise to get netinstall (is it a distro)? |
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| 16:46.22 | shingouz | boodie: you do have to keep in mind that the non-debian install most possibly contains some weird and wonderful stuff that does not exist in debian. personally i would just do a fresh install |
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| 16:46.49 | mtn | boodie: the debian netinstall from debian |
| 16:47.01 | shingouz | !tell boodie about netinstall |
| 16:47.02 | boodie | is it an iso image_ |
| 16:47.06 | boodie | ? |
| 16:47.21 | shingouz | boodie: see what dpkg just told you |
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| 16:50.03 | boodie | I am downloading the iso ... |
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| 16:51.41 | Reelax | Q: my question was half-answered. i wanna reinstall Debian on partition2. go offline, boot from live-cd. rsync my root dir in partition1 to part2. i got the same old linux back ? |
| 16:52.02 | klrr_ | is |
| 16:52.05 | klrr_ | ups |
| 16:52.26 | klrr_ | Atheros AR5B95 is this network card supported by default? |
| 16:53.13 | shingouz | Reelax: just transfer the system to the new drive and make it bootable. rsync, tar... there are a zillion alternatives |
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| 16:54.53 | Reelax | shingouz: i want the new debian know that i have win7 on part1. |
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| 16:55.24 | Reelax | so i think i will only be copying home dir. |
| 16:55.58 | shingouz | Reelax: if you only copy the /home, you will not have the exact same system anymore. a working one, but not the same |
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| 16:57.16 | Reelax | shingouz: yeah i dont think just home is enuf. can i make this linux find win7 in part1 after moving it to part2 ? |
| 16:57.24 | klrr_ | its so frustrating when window manager, web browser, tmux and text editor all use different keybinds o.o |
| 16:57.37 | Reelax | will install win7 in part1 |
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| 16:58.06 | shingouz | Reelax: i guess so. i have not done a dualboot in over ten years so i only have to guess |
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| 17:02.55 | klrr_ | what could cause wifi to not show up in wicd-curses? |
| 17:03.21 | klrr_ | do i need to be offline for it to scan, or is the drivers not installed? (which they should) |
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| 17:07.35 | wheezer | klrr_: is the network not broadcasting SSID? |
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| 17:07.45 | teraflops | klrr_: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k#Supported_Devices && https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 17:11.58 | klrr_ | wheezer: what is that? |
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| 17:12.07 | klrr_ | teraflops: yeah my device is supported |
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| 17:12.16 | klrr_ | gonna check that link too, thanks |
| 17:12.28 | teraflops | well switch to the 2nd link klrr_ |
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| 17:15.19 | klrr_ | hmm when i check the preferences in wicd-curses there is "Wired: eth0" but "Wireless: " |
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| 17:15.26 | klrr_ | and i cant set an option for that |
| 17:15.35 | klrr_ | is it wlan0 ? |
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| 17:16.43 | Ri881 | Hi, I want to isolate just one process. What's the best way? Do I always have to emulate the whole OS? |
| 17:17.10 | nkuttler | Ri881: what do you mean, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:17.37 | hallouser | hi, DAE have problem with hibernate that cause a reboot instead of resume ? |
| 17:17.41 | morfin | nice |
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| 17:17.53 | morfin | installation hangs up on creating filesystem |
| 17:18.35 | Ri881 | nkuttler: I want to run cryptocoin clients in an isolated environment to test a software |
| 17:18.40 | morfin | or maybe not... i should wait more |
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| 17:19.14 | hallouser | Ri881: probably the best trade off between isolation and lightweight is using a container (look for "Linux containers") |
| 17:19.14 | Ri881 | nkuttler: I wonder what's the best method with low extra RAM/CPU usage |
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| 17:19.56 | morfin | i forgot does linux have jails |
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| 17:20.10 | nightfly | lxcs |
| 17:20.14 | morfin | what? |
| 17:20.17 | nightfly | google |
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| 17:20.20 | nkuttler | Ri881: fwiw, this docker thing seems to be quite popular lately |
| 17:20.20 | klrr_ | what is wlan called on linux? |
| 17:20.29 | nkuttler | klrr_: wlan |
| 17:20.42 | Ri881 | hallouser: thanks. nkuttler okay, will look into it, thank you! |
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| 17:21.06 | morfin | in FreeBSD jails are well-implemented but in Linux... |
| 17:21.07 | morfin | idk |
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| 17:21.51 | nightfly | lxcs are getting there |
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| 17:21.57 | hallouser | that's why I suggest lxc in penguins environment. |
| 17:21.59 | klrr_ | nkuttler: wlan0 or just wlan? |
| 17:22.05 | buu | Ok, I recently attempted to configure a new install's network like so: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/365621 it just rebooted due to a power outage and when it came back up it didn't even load the loopback address much less eth0 |
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| 17:22.18 | buu | ifconfig returned literally 0 output; what did I mess up? |
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| 17:23.14 | nkuttler | klrr_: oh, the interface? it depends i guess, i've seen different naming schemes |
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| 17:23.31 | nkuttler | klrr_: try iwconfig |
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| 17:23.49 | klrr_ | okey |
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| 17:27.57 | lroe | Is there a way to test .desktop autostart files without repeatedly logging out/in? |
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| 17:29.46 | klrr_ | anyone know how to specify interfaces for wicd? |
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| 17:31.34 | nkuttler | lroe: you could run a second x server i guess, or maybe use xnest |
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| 17:33.49 | wols_ | klrr_: what is the output of iwconfig? |
| 17:34.16 | klrr_ | wols_: wlan0 |
| 17:34.24 | klrr_ | the problem is that wicd dont use it |
| 17:34.31 | klrr_ | and i dont know how to configure it |
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| 17:35.01 | wols_ | klrr_: then what is the ouput of (as root) iwlist wlan0 scanning ? this time, we need to see the full output in a pastebin |
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| 17:37.01 | klrr_ | wols_: nice, that works all networks in my area shows up |
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| 17:37.31 | klrr_ | ive also edited /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf to wlan0, but still no succes :/ |
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| 17:47.19 | malice | Hello. I have a question. I would like to ask debian Jessie. I'm currently on Debian site, but I'm not quite sure what I should download.(link to debian site: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ) |
| 17:48.00 | tath | malice: you mean you want to install Debian jessie or what? |
| 17:48.07 | malice | tath: yes |
| 17:48.20 | malice | oh man |
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| 17:48.24 | malice | yes, sorry, I skipped a word. |
| 17:48.53 | tath | malice: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 17:48.55 | anddam | hi, a couple days ago I ran a safe-upgrade, do I have a log of what APT did? |
| 17:49.06 | Artemis3 | malice, download netinstaller for debian 7.5, and use expert mode, it will prompt you if you want jessie |
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| 17:49.27 | malice | tath: Your site appears empty to me. |
| 17:49.30 | Rug | Have there been reports of audio-glitches under kernel 3.2.0? |
| 17:49.46 | anddam | I suddenly found directory listing on the server, I see that apache2 was running after the updated rather than lighttpd that is the only server I installed and for which I configured the vhosts |
| 17:49.56 | anddam | I'm curious what happened during the upgrade |
| 17:50.11 | tath | malice, Artemis3: netinstall is only recommended to advanced users |
| 17:50.30 | tath | malice: do you want a cd or dvd image for amd64? |
| 17:50.35 | Artemis3 | tath, just like running testing or unstable installers |
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| 17:50.46 | mtn | anddam: look in /var/log |
| 17:51.07 | tath | Artemis3: even my mom runs testing, and she is not very experienced :-) |
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| 17:51.34 | malice | tath: I believe dvd will be provided with more packages, so I won't have to download as much on fresh installation, so it can be dvd. |
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| 17:52.14 | Artemis3 | malice, well the difference is less time downloading the installer, and you want jessie packages not the ones provided in the dvd which would be wheezy |
| 17:52.15 | tath | malice: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 17:52.32 | Artemis3 | or you could try your luck with the weekly installer |
| 17:53.02 | malice | Thanks, tath. What's the difference between the DVD-1 and -2 and -3 ? |
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| 17:53.10 | Artemis3 | more packages |
| 17:53.15 | malice | okay. |
| 17:53.29 | malice | Well, thank you for your help. If I encounter some problems, I'll probably ask here. Till then! |
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| 17:53.36 | tath | malice: DVD 1 holds the most common 3.7 gig of packages, at least all you need for an installation |
| 17:53.40 | Artemis3 | probably outdated anyway :3 |
| 17:53.45 | tath | malice: what desktop environment are you going to use? |
| 17:53.51 | Artemis3 | its like double downloading |
| 17:54.14 | tath | malice: (you normally don't ever need other disks than disk 1 since you can install every other package you need over APT) |
| 17:54.31 | malice | tath: idk, I thought about GNOME, looked nice to me, |
| 17:55.05 | malice | tath: why? |
| 17:55.11 | malice | (why asking) |
| 17:55.34 | Artemis3 | well guess what happens if you request a package not in the dvd |
| 17:55.39 | tath | malice: you could also use this image http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso |
| 17:56.01 | wols_ | tath: bad idea. this is not there so you can install debian testing |
| 17:56.09 | wols_ | it might work of course, but only might |
| 17:56.17 | anddam | mtn: checking |
| 17:56.26 | Artemis3 | maybe tath hasn't used the weekly installer much :3 |
| 17:56.47 | malice | I used distro based on Debian for for quite some time, it was pleasant experience. |
| 17:57.04 | tath | Artemis3, wols_: in the past I often used testing, yes; but now mostly stable or unstable |
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| 17:57.10 | malice | However, it was based on stable, and when I switched to Jessie, I had to spend 2 days fixing few things up. |
| 17:57.15 | Artemis3 | use the debian 7.5 installer in expert mode imo. |
| 17:57.48 | tath | Artemis3: he doesn't seem very experienced with Debian |
| 17:57.50 | Artemis3 | and don't waste time downloading large images of packages you won't end using anyway |
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| 17:58.07 | tath | wols_: what would you suggest to malice? |
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| 17:58.19 | Artemis3 | tath, then why not use stable? |
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| 17:58.43 | Achylles | which appl can convert text to pdf on debian? |
| 17:58.46 | tath | Artemis3: good idea, but he didn't asked but said that he wants to use testing; so I helped him on doing that :-) |
| 17:58.51 | Artemis3 | not experienced and using weekly installer is begging for trouble |
| 17:59.12 | anddam | mtn: dpkg.log has several references to it, the oldest is |
| 17:59.13 | malice | I used stable. It doesn't have GCC 4.8, and I want to use it. Plus few other things. |
| 17:59.18 | anddam | 2014-05-01 11:09:25 upgrade apache2:amd64 2.2.22-13 2.2.22-13+deb7u1 |
| 17:59.35 | Artemis3 | malice, you can also upgrade from stable to testing |
| 17:59.42 | Achylles | which command-line appl I mean |
| 17:59.56 | malice | Artemis3: Yes, I know that. |
| 17:59.58 | Artemis3 | malice, or maybe check if backports has the packages you need |
| 17:59.58 | tath | malice: yes, it's a good idea, use stable and update |
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| 18:00.23 | malice | Am I right, that I update by changing repositories list to jessie? |
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| 18:00.43 | tath | malice: sorry for the back and forth. Use this one and upgrade to testing, if you need testing: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 18:00.47 | Artemis3 | malice, the procedure is not for inexperienced users, and things might go wrong |
| 18:00.54 | tath | malice: (it's with gnome as default) |
| 18:01.01 | anddam | oh wait I have 2013-06-03 09:28:45 install apache2.2-bin:amd64 <none> 2.2.22-13 |
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| 18:01.26 | anddam | so I probably installed but ill-disabled the rc start scripts |
| 18:01.28 | malice | Artemis3: I know, I switched from stable to unstable once. |
| 18:01.50 | anddam | now I ran update-rc.d apache2 disable that should resist to a reconfigure, right? |
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| 18:02.08 | Artemis3 | then go ahead, you already know you could break stuff. my recommended path is to use debian stable installer, in expert mode there is a point where you can pick to install testing |
| 18:02.36 | malice | Artemis3: Is the expert mode in the image tath provided? |
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| 18:02.44 | Artemis3 | malice, yes in all images |
| 18:02.47 | malice | Sorry for my nooby questions, but well... I'm kind of newbie :) |
| 18:02.48 | Skyrider | Is there a way to test the hosts.deny to see if it is really working? |
| 18:02.50 | malice | Okay. Thank you. |
| 18:03.19 | Artemis3 | malice, i suggest the smaller images because if you pick testing, then you are not using the bundled packages anyway |
| 18:03.57 | Artemis3 | malice, which is why i mentioned netinstaller or the other "small" images |
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| 18:04.01 | malice | Artemis3: Okay. Thank you. I hope I won't run into any problems. Anyway, I always have other images, so if something goes wrong, I can still install working OS. |
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| 18:04.49 | Artemis3 | the small images simply download the packages of the net |
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| 18:05.21 | tath | malice: in case something goes wrong, it's good to have a live system at hand: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.5-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 18:13.08 | edgars_ | yo |
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| 18:15.42 | Skyrider | What exactly is "sshd" in front of hosts.deny? |
| 18:15.46 | Skyrider | sshd: IP |
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| 18:16.45 | edgars_ | well |
| 18:16.53 | edgars_ | ip from which ssh access is disabled |
| 18:17.10 | Skyrider | Ah |
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| 18:17.49 | Skyrider | Seems denyhosts also added a few more sshd lines in hosts.deny of which is 'related' to the host. |
| 18:17.54 | Skyrider | eg, in this case dreamhost. |
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| 18:18.43 | wheezer | ConsoleKit in Debian 7.0 does not consider sessions started using startx or display managers lacking consolekit integration (e.g. xdm or slim) as local, which might prevent access to some devices. |
| 18:19.02 | wheezer | I did not know that |
| 18:19.36 | edgars_ | anyone using nfsen? |
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| 18:20.29 | mjt | wheezer: actually it is not entirely accurate. Nowadays, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ includes stuff to poke consolekit correctly even for sessions started using startx |
| 18:21.04 | mjt | wheezer: I'm on wheezy, and start X using startx regularly, and these _are_ treated as local just fine |
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| 18:23.42 | wheezer | mjt: good to know. I was using startx with squeeze on my laptop. I just upgraded that and still using lightdm that the xfce disk installed |
| 18:26.16 | Skyrider | Baidu is really getting annoying... |
| 18:26.41 | Skyrider | These crawlers just keep coming.. |
| 18:26.44 | tath | what is the default login manager in xfce? |
| 18:26.45 | Skyrider | regardless the blocks in place. |
| 18:26.54 | Rug | Have there been reports of audio-glitches under kernel 3.2.0? |
| 18:27.56 | wheezer | tath: it used to be gdm but the xfce debian 7 disk1 installed lightdm |
| 18:28.07 | wheezer | dont know if thats an xfce or debian thing tho |
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| 18:28.45 | tath | wheezer: good one! because gdm, as a gnome application, depends on lots of gnome stuff |
| 18:29.18 | Artemis3 | lightdm is not xfce related |
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| 18:29.39 | tath | gdm neither |
| 18:30.10 | Artemis3 | you can easily change the dm anyway |
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| 18:30.55 | wheezer | ya I might change back to startx/xinitrc but I'm not minding lightdm so far |
| 18:31.06 | Artemis3 | might as well use nodm |
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| 18:39.51 | morfin | openbios-sparc64 is not working well :( |
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| 18:43.34 | somiaj | so seems gnome3 (gnome-shell) doesn't work well in a kvm vm over vnc, any way to get it to run nicely? (It isn't a big deal if it doesn't I just figured I'd get the major DE's set up on diferetn vms so I can test things) |
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| 18:44.56 | boblee | tiger should have them |
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| 19:03.46 | roelj | I would like to add a program to Debian. I believe the correct way of doing this is by becoming a Debian Maintainer.. I've packaged my program, but only for amd64. I'd like to learn how to package it for other architectures as well. I think I need to find a Debian Developer to help me further. Is there any DD in here that could help me? |
| 19:04.40 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 19:04.40 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 19:05.39 | roelj | ompaul: Oh great. Thanks! |
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| 19:14.34 | petn-randall | roelj: Out of curiosity, which program is it? |
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| 19:15.30 | mr_c15 | hi, can someone tell me what should I do when I configure eth0 interface and after a couple of seconds debian disconnects me from Internet? |
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| 19:17.28 | totte | If my ISP has the IP 1.1.1.1, I have the IP 1.1.1.2, some attacker has the IP 1.1.1.3 and my CPU gets hogged by interrupts from excessive traffic originating from 1.1.1.3 targetting 1.1.1.1 - what do I do? |
| 19:18.26 | Artemis3 | run in circles? or learn iptables :) |
| 19:18.42 | babilen | That wouldn't help against incoming requests |
| 19:18.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell totte -about fail2ban |
| 19:18.57 | Artemis3 | run real quick :3 |
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| 19:19.24 | totte | I don't understand how the attack is performed and why I am suffering when I'm not the target but my ISP is. |
| 19:19.39 | babilen | totte: You should, however, get in contact with your ISP (send a mail to abuse@ -- see "whois YOURISP.net") and tell them about illicit behaviour on their network |
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| 19:20.12 | babilen | totte: They might simply target the entire netblock owned by your ISP |
| 19:20.16 | totte | babilen: But this happens on a daily basis... does fail2ban help? |
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| 19:20.47 | totte | babilen: That makes sense, but how? Nothing I've read so far seems to cover this issue. |
| 19:21.00 | babilen | totte: As I said: It doesn't help with incoming traffic (the packets are reaching you and will therefore use bandwith to you), but it helps with closing down certain ports. |
| 19:21.07 | TJ- | totte: How do you connect to your ISP? xDSL? cable? fibre? |
| 19:21.54 | babilen | totte: We really can't say more without knowing exact details -- my current working hypothesis is that your ISPs network (all IPs in they IP block) is being targeted and that you therefore receive traffic too |
| 19:21.54 | totte | It's a server in a data center with "unlimited bandwidth" and 100/100 MBit/s connection. |
| 19:22.13 | babilen | totte: That being said: This isn't a horribly Debian specific issue and you might want to ask in ##networking rather than here |
| 19:23.22 | babilen | totte: So, ban them with iptables, speak to the datacentre if they can, at least, block the traffic at their gateway or contact abuse@ of your ISP. In fact, do all of these things. |
| 19:23.33 | babilen | (in particular if it is single attacker and not a ddos) |
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| 19:23.51 | babilen | s/iptables/fail2ban/ (same thing, different interface) |
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| 19:24.14 | totte | babilen: Ah thanks, I'll try that. I've got tcpdump stuff and whatnot. |
| 19:24.16 | phogg | fail2ban is probably not right for this since it will be far too polite |
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| 19:24.44 | phogg | I'd -j DROP based on source addr and be done, unless you're worried about valid connections from that IP |
| 19:24.45 | totte | I use denyhosts but I think it is being dropped in Jessie or the one after that. |
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| 19:27.04 | petn-randall | mr_c15: What do you observe when this happens? |
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| 19:27.54 | babilen | totte: *any* firewall running on your box is too late as you will already have to deal with those packages -- sure you can DROP them (either by executing iptables directly or let fail2ban do it for you), but you don't want to see that traffic at all. You *have* to speak to whoever runs the your border gateway and block the traffic there as you don't want it to ever reach your box. |
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| 19:29.25 | zach23 | how can I get a list of the last round of packages updated via apt-get? |
| 19:30.01 | petn-randall | zach23: /var/log/apt/history.log will show what has been updated when. |
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| 19:31.06 | totte | babilen: The ISP is supposed to have an anti-DDoS system in place that "null routes" excessive traffic. Perhaps it isn't working very well. |
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| 19:32.45 | petn-randall | totte: What kind of traffic are you seeing? Is this a data centre, or a home DSL? |
| 19:33.08 | petn-randall | Oh, data centre, missed that info, sorry. |
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| 19:33.42 | totte | petn-randall: It's a server in a data centre, it usually looks like this: https://gist.github.com/totte/5087791ba722cf07f10e. |
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| 19:34.29 | babilen | totte: Contact abuse@ you will reach competent people who care about issues like that. (well, hopefully) |
| 19:35.01 | petn-randall | totte: So he's simply SYN-flooding you on port 80? |
| 19:35.18 | totte | petn-randall: The first IP is the attacker and the second belongs to the data centre. My machine just gets a ton of interrupts. |
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| 19:36.01 | mactimes | Hello everyone. Would someone, please, tell me why sed won't perform substitution and point me the correct way on this code? http://pastie.org/private/jruqlubqjsx13dzjuzisw |
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| 19:36.41 | totte | petn-randall: I'm not sure, I set some stuff in /etc/sysctl.conf to prevent SYN flooding. I don't really understand how this is being done. |
| 19:36.46 | babilen | totte: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4987 is the seminal reading for that. But please, lets continue this in ##networking as this really has very little to do with Debian. |
| 19:37.06 | petn-randall | Sorry, heading over to ##networking, too. |
| 19:37.44 | babilen | np, just think that ##networking is the much better and knowledgeable channel for this topic :) |
| 19:37.51 | totte | Yeah, sorry. Also I'm using RHEL. |
| 19:38.00 | petn-randall | D: |
| 19:38.02 | babilen | totte: But then, you really want this to be blocked at the border gateway |
| 19:38.08 | babilen | totte: Seriously? |
| 19:38.19 | totte | No. Bad joke. :) |
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| 19:38.35 | babilen | totte: Come on, this couldn't even be less off-topic. I am close to banning you just for abusing this channel |
| 19:38.40 | frostschutz | mactimes, you have surplus / in there |
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| 19:38.59 | babilen | Anyway, moving on |
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| 19:39.35 | totte | Apologies. Please move on. |
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| 19:39.55 | babilen | still hasn't seen anything in ##networking |
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| 19:40.19 | mactimes | frostschutz I don't see where. After what? Prior to what? |
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| 19:40.54 | frostschutz | mactimes, in $f. just echo your vars or use set -x and you'll see |
| 19:41.30 | frostschutz | mactimes, or maybe I misread, ha :) |
| 19:42.32 | mactimes | frostschutz Those print fine with echo. But sed doesn't seem to recognize them. |
| 19:43.03 | Odd0002 | hello? |
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| 19:45.01 | Odd0002 | I'm having a small problem with my debian wheezy install |
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| 19:45.40 | Odd0002 | I have an AMD GPU with both DVI and HDMI out, and I've been using the DVI out flawlessly over the past few months |
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| 19:46.27 | Odd0002 | However, I recently moved the computer somewhere where I want HDMI out without DVI |
| 19:47.15 | Odd0002 | it works, but if you turn off the screen and then turn it on again after a few minutes, the display just says "no signal", but the X server is still running |
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| 19:48.14 | petn-randall | Odd0002: Maybe just powersave started? Does the keyboard/mouse revive it? If not, can you change your VT (ctrl+alt+F1)? |
| 19:48.15 | greenit | hi, how i can i downgrade a package? i installed iceweasel from experimental, but i'd like to go back to the version of testing without losing my saved passwords, bookmarks and addons... |
| 19:48.41 | Odd0002 | petn-randall: I can VNC into it and it works, but it still says no signal on the display |
| 19:48.59 | Odd0002 | and if I boot with the display off, the x server doesn't even start... |
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| 19:49.16 | BenNZ | greenit: even if you purge everything using apt/aptitude nothing from your ~/ should get removed |
| 19:50.02 | petn-randall | greenit: What release are you running? Even if you downgrade, chances are that the old iceweasel won't run with your upgraded user files. |
| 19:50.12 | greenit | ok, thx BenNZ |
| 19:50.33 | greenit | petn-randall, i use testing, the only 2 packages which got updated were iceweasel and the mozilla-suite |
| 19:50.38 | greenit | or how it is called |
| 19:51.37 | petn-randall | !tell greenit -about downgrade |
| 19:52.17 | petn-randall | greenit: The bot should give you the right hints to get started. jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though, so any further should go there. (I'm there, too). |
| 19:52.30 | Odd0002 | petn-randall: any clues about how I can fix this? |
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| 19:52.51 | greenit | petn-randall, thx :) |
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| 19:54.02 | petn-randall | greenit: No problem, hope it helps :) |
| 19:55.02 | petn-randall | Odd0002: What graphics card do you have? Can you change to a virtual terminal? |
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| 19:56.03 | Odd0002 | petn-randall: 1 second, let me try something for troubleshooting |
| 19:56.26 | totte | Odd0002: What monitor do you have? Is the cable intact? |
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| 20:02.25 | Odd0002 | totte and petn-randall: I think it's the display: going into the BIOS, turning it off and then back on, says "no signal" |
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| 20:02.33 | Odd0002 | what do you think? |
| 20:03.24 | totte | Odd0002: Is it HDMI to HDMI? |
| 20:03.46 | Odd0002 | totte: yes |
| 20:03.58 | skribblezatcha | whats up Odd0002 . |
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| 20:04.57 | totte | Odd0002: What display are you using? Does it have any power-saving features? |
| 20:05.09 | Odd0002 | totte: it's not in power saving mode |
| 20:05.20 | Odd0002 | it's a 720P/1080i TV |
| 20:05.34 | Odd0002 | from a few years ago |
| 20:05.59 | petn-randall | Odd0002: Oh, then it likely is just switching to another input. Can you explicitely select HDMI when it says "no signal"? |
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| 20:06.44 | totte | I had similar issues with my TV but I found some setting in its menu. The TV may have some power-saving feature or have switched to another source for some reason. |
| 20:07.10 | Odd0002 | petn-randall: I press the "HDMI" button and it switches between HDMI 1 (my computer) and HDMI 2 (nothing), so it's definitely set to the right input |
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| 20:07.54 | petn-randall | Odd0002: What graphics card do you have? Can you change to a virtual terminal? |
| 20:08.04 | totte | Odd0002: Try running 'xrandr' and see what it outputs. |
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| 20:08.32 | Odd0002 | well I'm currently in the BIOS, and even the BIOS doesn't come back after turning the TV off and then back on again, so... |
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| 20:10.34 | SynrG | Well, I'm glad we established it's not a Debian problem, then … |
| 20:10.57 | SynrG | Unfortunately, that doesn't help you solve it :( |
| 20:11.04 | totte | My money is on the TV being the issue. |
| 20:11.24 | wheezer | install debian on the tv |
| 20:11.41 | SynrG | My TV is unusable with my PC unless you not with the TV powered up. |
| 20:11.52 | SynrG | Boot* with |
| 20:11.54 | Odd0002 | there's only one thing left to do... |
| 20:12.01 | Odd0002 | try to restart the x server? |
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| 20:12.29 | mjt | from the bios? :) |
| 20:12.38 | SynrG | You could try … In my case only a reboot helps. |
| 20:12.40 | Odd0002 | uhh, did squeeze use gdm3? |
| 20:13.15 | Odd0002 | yes it did |
| 20:13.19 | SynrG | No. Previous version, i believe. |
| 20:13.24 | SynrG | Did it? |
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| 20:13.36 | SynrG | ,v gdm3 |
| 20:13.37 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.8.4-6; sid: 3.8.4-7; experimental: 3.12.0-1 |
| 20:13.41 | finga | what is the proper way of installing i3 with slim and xserver in debian i've installed all but slim can't load/connect to xserver? |
| 20:13.49 | mjt | i remember seeing a prob with hdmi tv and a windows PC. Bios never able to output anything to hdmi port, neither did winXP, but once it was updated to windows7 it worked fine with tv and hdmi |
| 20:14.25 | Odd0002 | well I restarted the gdm3 service and it didn't bring up an x11 instance |
| 20:14.32 | Odd0002 | so display problem... |
| 20:14.41 | Odd0002 | booo... |
| 20:14.44 | SynrG | Fun |
| 20:15.00 | totte | finga: 'service enable slim' perhaps? |
| 20:15.02 | mjt | that was not my pc and tv, and i don't know what exactly they did or tried, but i know the prob was gone once they installed win7, and it worked out of the box |
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| 20:15.24 | Odd0002 | ?????????????????????????????????? |
| 20:15.29 | Odd0002 | ??????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:15.33 | Odd0002 | it... |
| 20:15.36 | Odd0002 | it just popped up? |
| 20:15.38 | finga | totte: enable: unrecognized service |
| 20:15.39 | Odd0002 | what? |
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| 20:16.13 | Odd0002 | strange? a minute or 2 after restarting the X server, the display's back? |
| 20:16.14 | totte | finga: Are you using sysvinit or systemd? Maybe it is 'service slim enable'. |
| 20:16.14 | SynrG | Flaky connection? |
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| 20:16.48 | Odd0002 | SynrG: it works perfectly fine when playing videos, so I don't think so... |
| 20:16.49 | SynrG | Or … lots of errors with timeouts? |
| 20:17.10 | SynrG | Check Xorg.0.log |
| 20:17.28 | SynrG | And your session log. |
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| 20:18.30 | Odd0002 | SynrG: http://pastebin.com/mup1J2dd |
| 20:18.51 | finga | totte: i installed nothing, whats the default? |
| 20:18.53 | totte | finga: Or perhaps 'dpkg-reconfigure slim'. |
| 20:18.53 | Odd0002 | we might be getting somewhere... |
| 20:19.10 | finga | totte: both aren't working |
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| 20:19.36 | SynrG | !pastebin.com |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:20.02 | finga | totte: dpkg-reconfig only says: reconfiguring... done |
| 20:20.29 | Odd0002 | SynrG: oh, there's a debian pastebin too? didn't know, thanks |
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| 20:20.50 | SynrG | Odd0002: yow. Start searching those errors. |
| 20:20.51 | totte | finga: Check /etc/X11/default-display-manager. |
| 20:21.16 | SynrG | Odd0002: that's squeeze, you say? |
| 20:21.23 | SynrG | Why not wheezy? |
| 20:21.24 | Odd0002 | uhh, 7 I think |
| 20:21.41 | Odd0002 | it's the one that was in testing back in '12 |
| 20:21.46 | mjt | 7 is wheezy |
| 20:22.06 | SynrG | 7 is wheezy. Your question about gdm3 on squeeze confused me. |
| 20:22.17 | finga | totte: its /usr/bin/slim |
| 20:23.02 | SynrG | Odd0002: to be sure, you could show us your apt-cache policy |
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| 20:23.42 | Odd0002 | SynrG: I recently installed backports (for xmbc), but it says debian 7.5 |
| 20:23.53 | totte | finga: So when you reboot, what happens? Any errors? |
| 20:23.57 | SynrG | Yeah |
| 20:24.16 | totte | finga: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:24.18 | SynrG | Latest wheezy point release. |
| 20:24.39 | finga | totte: i get the console after restart |
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| 20:25.18 | finga | totte: Xorg.0.log shows only warnings about fonts no errors |
| 20:25.27 | iio7 | Just upgraded Testing.. Gedit has lost its icons and top bar and looks horrible. How can I deal with that? |
| 20:25.32 | ectospasm | I'm having trouble today.. what's a CLI command that will give me details of an mp3, including id3v2 tags, and track length (in time)? |
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| 20:26.06 | iio7 | ectospasm, mplayer can do that. |
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| 20:27.02 | totte | finga: What does 'service slim start' do? |
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| 20:27.13 | mjt | well, mplayer here is like using a rocket launcher to knock a mosquito |
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| 20:28.08 | totte | finga: Also, paste the slim logfile? |
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| 20:28.55 | totte | ectospasm: Or exiftool? |
| 20:29.24 | ectospasm | exiftool reads MPEG layer 3 audio? |
| 20:29.28 | mjt | exif is for photo still cameras |
| 20:29.43 | mjt | for the images in the photos anyway |
| 20:29.44 | ectospasm | That's what I thought. |
| 20:29.55 | ectospasm | EXIF is part of the JPEG library of standards. |
| 20:30.00 | mjt | er, whatever :) |
| 20:30.20 | ectospasm | (Joint Photographic Experts Group) |
| 20:30.40 | iio7 | ectospasm, you can also use "mediainfo". |
| 20:31.07 | finga | totte: service slim start does: Starting x display manager: slim. i get to prompt again |
| 20:31.15 | iio7 | ectospasm, it is a command-line utility for reading information from audio/video files. |
| 20:31.20 | totte | I'd use mplayer as suggested, not sure if exiftool is any lighter or more convenient. The wiki article suggests it supporting all sorts of meta information. |
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| 20:31.43 | totte | finga: Okey, and the slim logfile? |
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| 20:32.24 | ectospasm | iio7: thanks, I think I already have that installed, I just couldn't remember what the command was. |
| 20:32.29 | iio7 | I prefer mplayer, but if unwanted mediainfo is the right tool for the job, it was made for this. |
| 20:32.47 | finga | totte: slim log: slim x server could not be started\n slim: waiting for x server to login accepting connections\n Giving up.\n slim: unable to connect to x server |
| 20:32.49 | iio7 | ectospasm, you're welcome :) |
| 20:32.56 | mjt | there are a few id3 tag display/manipulation programs around |
| 20:33.11 | mjt | id3v2 id3tool libid3-tools just to name a few |
| 20:33.14 | mjt | that's command line |
| 20:33.39 | mjt | eyed3 |
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| 20:34.12 | mjt | but i don't remember which ones i tried and whenever any of them can display audio length |
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| 20:35.54 | totte | finga: Try 'startx'? |
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| 20:36.18 | finga | totte: there is no startx^^ |
| 20:36.40 | Odd0002 | SynrG: I think I'm OK now, but this is pretty weird... sometimes quickly reconnects, sometimes doesn't at all... |
| 20:38.24 | finga | totte: command not found |
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| 20:38.30 | totte | finga: Really? What version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:38.52 | mjt | startx is part of xinit package |
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| 20:39.14 | finga | totte: wheezy, i only installed xorg. do i need xinit too? |
| 20:39.23 | totte | Yeah install xinit. |
| 20:40.30 | finga | totte: damn, thx a lot!! is there anything else i could have forgotten? |
| 20:42.11 | DammitJim | what do you guys recommend for backups of pictures/videos? |
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| 20:42.27 | DammitJim | I do backups locally, but I would hate to have a fire in my house and loose it all |
| 20:42.29 | totte | finga: It works? Cool. I recommend the i3 metapackage, it includes a screen locker. |
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| 20:42.43 | DammitJim | so far I use a hard drive that I bring home every month or so and backup to it and take it to the office |
| 20:42.46 | totte | DammitJim: I like rsnapshot to USB drives. |
| 20:42.47 | DammitJim | any thoughts? |
| 20:42.59 | DammitJim | rsnapshot? is that like a bare metal backup? |
| 20:43.10 | frostschutz | DammitJim, if you can park a hdd in the office - encrypted - sure why not. otherwise, DVD-R are still good for photos |
| 20:43.26 | totte | DammitJim: That's what I do, I keep one USB drive here and one at a remote place. Then every week I swap them. |
| 20:43.42 | DammitJim | oh, you swap! |
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| 20:44.07 | totte | DammitJim: http://www.rsnapshot.org/, I'm really fond of it but there are quite a few solutions out there. |
| 20:44.17 | DammitJim | ok, then I guess I'm doing alright... it's just that my "offsite" hard drive is smaller than the one at home and now I need to buy a bigger one :D |
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| 20:44.31 | BrownMountain | dam u idiots |
| 20:44.32 | DammitJim | totte, so the rsnapshots are done over the internet? |
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| 20:44.52 | BrownMountain | i cant realy work wen theres a war |
| 20:44.53 | DammitJim | is there a way to control the bandwidth used? I don't want to get in trouble at work |
| 20:44.55 | BrownMountain | can u? |
| 20:44.55 | totte | DammitJim: No I just do them locally, USB3. |
| 20:45.00 | DammitJim | oh ok |
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| 20:46.00 | DammitJim | I'll finally end up using EXT3 or EXT4 since the old drive has fat32 and can't store videos larger than 4GB |
| 20:46.45 | finga | totte: yes it works. i've installed the metapacke, i know i3 from archlinux. i'm just looking for something more stable xD i3 and it's meta stuff is the new awesome^^ |
| 20:46.47 | totte | I use RAID10 (4x 2 TB HDDs) with mdadm, ext4 and dm-crypt - and two 2 TB USB drives, one is always at a remote location. Feels safe enough. |
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| 20:47.28 | user32412 | Hi, I look for a git server with a web frontend. It should be easy to install on a debian server Thanks in advance |
| 20:47.37 | totte | user32412: gitweb? |
| 20:47.40 | DammitJim | intereseting point about the encryption piece... I'm not encrypting |
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| 20:48.57 | user32412 | totte: I don't know what solutions are existing. Is there anything else you can recommend? |
| 20:48.59 | totte | DammitJim: For external drives it may be wise depending on what you store on them. |
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| 20:49.26 | totte | user32412: I use git with gitweb and the gitolite backport, it works really well. |
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| 20:50.23 | Error4o4 | "nano" doesnt seem to be suporting UTF8 chrachters, any idea? (dots appear instead of the characters) (using putty) |
| 20:50.43 | user32412 | tottle: gitolite says >fine-grained access control<, I just need something very simple |
| 20:51.40 | totte | user32412: I ended up using Gitolite because I needed to have access control for a dozen users. If you can manage with Git on its own it is easier. |
| 20:51.48 | DammitJim | it's pictures |
| 20:51.48 | DammitJim | I should probably encrypt my backed up emails, though |
| 20:51.57 | mjt | maybe it's a time to upgrade finally? That CPU is some 6 or 7 generations behind... |
| 20:52.02 | mjt | er |
| 20:52.06 | mjt | miswin sorry ;) |
| 20:52.21 | user32412 | totte: Its just one user, single mode |
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| 20:53.04 | totte | user32412: Have you read http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server? I found it very helpful. If it's just a single user I'd stick with plain git and gitweb. :) |
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| 20:53.27 | pakel_ | how do you think what timezone should be set on server, utc or localtime? |
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| 20:53.39 | totte | pakel_: I usually go with UTC. |
| 20:53.45 | totte | Personal preference. |
| 20:54.12 | user32412 | totte: I will take a look. I will login to git, like i do via secure shell, right? |
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| 20:54.50 | pakel_ | totte: i think too utc is better |
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| 20:55.15 | totte | user32412: Yeah, I find a bare repository on the server that you push to and pull from via SSH is the easiest solution to set up. |
| 20:55.51 | user32412 | totte: Thank you for your help |
| 20:55.59 | totte | user32412: Good luck. :) |
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| 21:30.46 | asarch | A very good (and fast) mirror in the United States? |
| 21:30.59 | asarch | ftp.us.debian.org is quite slow :( |
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| 21:31.50 | dondelelcaro | asarch: depends on where you are in the US. |
| 21:32.49 | asarch | Actually I am outside United States (they are my closest mirrors from my location), I am in Mexico |
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| 21:33.35 | asarch | s/my closest/the closest/ |
| 21:34.55 | sqz | hi people, I just discovered the amazing 'debootstrap'-package. (https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debootstrap). Any idea how I can find out when this project appeared for the first time? Im curious whether this is a relatively new technique (or I've been living under a rock all for a while)) |
| 21:35.19 | dondelelcaro | sqz: it's existed since at least potato |
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| 21:36.04 | dondelelcaro | the earliest changelog I have is from 2001. |
| 21:36.37 | sqz | dondelelcaro: how did you find this out so fast? |
| 21:37.18 | sqz | thnx btw |
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| 21:42.31 | dondelelcaro | sqz: zless /usr/share/doc/debootstrap/changelog.gz; I also just happen to have been using Debian for a fairly long time |
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| 21:44.36 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: "fairly long time" that almost an understatement isn't it? I knew your NICK long before I actually saw you type anything in #d, due to the <webmin> factoid ;) |
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| 21:46.09 | dondelelcaro | zykotick9: I started sometime in 1999 or 2000, IIRC... some people here have been using Debian for longer |
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| 21:47.19 | zykotick9 | tried a Debian derivative, called Corel, in 1999 - but didn't really, become a gnu/linux user until years later... |
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