| 00:00.12 | da3m0n22 | -t wheezy-backports of course |
| 00:00.23 | dondelelcaro | woshty: there's a pam timeout, which sets the delay; you can override it by setting nodelay or similar |
| 00:00.37 | dondelelcaro | woshty: but that's generally not a good idea. The delay is there for a very good reason |
| 00:01.26 | themill | da3m0n22: can you pastebin the output of «head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}» for us? |
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| 00:03.07 | da3m0n22 | themill: i can, but how is it relevant? repositories don't conflict with each other, or am i wrong? |
| 00:03.14 | themill | ... |
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| 00:05.22 | da3m0n22 | i ask a simple question, how can simply running `apt-get install -t repository package` without modifying any configuration manually, hide package versions, and how can it be discovered and reverted |
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| 00:05.33 | themill | it doesn't |
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| 00:06.07 | da3m0n22 | but it did |
| 00:06.10 | themill | no |
| 00:06.15 | themill | You're asking us to magically understand what you may or may not have done on your machine without providing the extra information we ask for. It's getting boring. |
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| 00:08.23 | da3m0n22 | themill: yes it did, i didn't made any manual changes, `apt-cache search` showed package, `apt-cache show package` showed versions from multiple repositories, `apt-get install -t target package` did install it, `apt-cache policy|madison|show` does not show the versions any more |
| 00:08.43 | themill | gives up |
| 00:08.49 | da3m0n22 | themill: i'm not asking for magic, but you're asking pointless questions |
| 00:09.01 | themill | I'm not. |
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| 00:10.12 | spinningcompass | da3m0n22: When the meal is free, don’t complain if service is slow. |
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| 00:10.34 | themill | (the service would be faster if there were actual output to analyse) |
| 00:10.54 | da3m0n22 | spinningcompass: not complaining, but the approach kind of gets on my nerves, i do support different communities, and i'm not trying to be rude, sorry |
| 00:11.22 | themill | da3m0n22: the approach whereby you make assertions that are completely wrong and we ask for extra data to try to work out what might have happened? |
| 00:11.23 | spinningcompass | da3m0n22: It’s all good. :) |
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| 00:12.08 | da3m0n22 | themill: repositories list hasn't been modified in the process (hear before, through neither after observing the behavior), thus it makes no sense to publish it, |
| 00:12.15 | happytux | In CDBS documentation: What do they mean with: 'It |70>< !!!' ? |
| 00:12.24 | happytux | http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html |
| 00:12.28 | themill | da3m0n22: thanks for clarifying that you don't want help. |
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| 00:13.49 | themill | happytux: looks a lot like someone's poor attempt at a l33t-speak joke. (BTW if you can avoid using CDBS, I'd recommend you do so -- it's not really a popular build system to use and it's documentation is well.. not great) |
| 00:15.43 | da3m0n22 | themill: no, i don't see the point of your question, but here you go, http://pastebin.com/z1v0eLTg |
| 00:16.45 | da3m0n22 | imo it is useless, because the repositories list haven't been touched for months, so it must be consequence of running apt-* commands |
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| 00:17.27 | happytux | themill: So CDBS basically uses another way for generating Debian-package compliant make files? |
| 00:17.38 | themill | da3m0n22: that is not consistent with your earlier "apt-cache policy" output. That is really not appreciated |
| 00:18.02 | themill | happytux: it's a library of Makefile functions you can use in debian/rules. |
| 00:18.44 | happytux | themill: What do you think about tools like git-buildpackage or git-dpm? |
| 00:18.49 | da3m0n22 | themill: yes, i'm sorry, but again, how does it help? |
| 00:18.53 | happytux | themill: Or should one use plain quilt instead? |
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| 00:19.28 | themill | da3m0n22: *if* that package ever existed, then it came from one of those third party repositories. It never came from debian. You presumably ran apt-get update (or cron did) in between. |
| 00:19.52 | themill | da3m0n22: it helps because it gives us a potential source for this package. Please stop being an obstructionist pain in the arse. |
| 00:20.16 | themill | happytux: git-buildpackage works quite fine *with* quilt. These things are not mutually exclusive. |
| 00:20.43 | da3m0n22 | themill: yes, my fault, however the package is still in the repository, just not visible from the apt-* on my machine |
| 00:21.07 | themill | does running "apt-get update" complete without errors? |
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| 00:21.42 | da3m0n22 | themill: yes, also apt-get upgrade shows nothing different, autoremove/check/autoclean all without problems |
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| 00:21.56 | Ahendis | Hi |
| 00:21.58 | dondelelcaro | happytux: lots of people use quilt on top of git |
| 00:22.05 | Ahendis | Someone ? ;) I need help |
| 00:22.20 | Ahendis | I've just installed a debian on hosted serveur |
| 00:22.32 | Ahendis | apache/mysql/php |
| 00:22.37 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: best to just ask your question |
| 00:22.47 | happytux | themill: What do you think about git-dpm (yet another tool)? |
| 00:22.50 | themill | da3m0n22: as before, "apt-cache policy package" is what you need to look for. How do you know it's still in the repo? |
| 00:23.01 | Ahendis | But i've error 500 (internal server error), when i try to use my .htaccess (Wordpress Edit) |
| 00:23.05 | happytux | dondelelcaro: How does this work? Are the patch files committed to git, too? |
| 00:23.17 | themill | happytux: never been interested enough in it to look at it. git-buildpackage works fine for me |
| 00:23.18 | dondelelcaro | happytux: usually, yes. |
| 00:23.24 | Ahendis | The same file .htaccess works fine in my previous host (1and1) |
| 00:23.39 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: check /var/log/apache2/error.log; most likely you haven't enabled a module you need |
| 00:24.12 | da3m0n22 | themill: not sure about the particular version of package, but it is very unlikely, that the whole backported version of such package as apache2 disappeared completely from repository |
| 00:24.37 | themill | it's not unlikely at all -- third party repos could do anything crazy that they please. |
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| 00:25.06 | Ahendis | one possibility: apache use php4 instead of php5. What can i do ? ;) |
| 00:25.31 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: what does /var/log/apache2/error.log say? |
| 00:25.50 | happytux | themill: thanks |
| 00:26.15 | da3m0n22 | themill: give me a minute, i'll dig through the repositories |
| 00:26.17 | happytux | dondelelcaro: so basically one commits the quilt patches to a git branch, the changed upstream source to another git branch? |
| 00:26.30 | happytux | dondelelcaro: to have the changed code also outside a patch (binary)? |
| 00:26.40 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: tmp/apache/error.log for me |
| 00:27.21 | themill | happytux: the upstream branch is the exact, unchanged source from the tarball that the upstream developers released. |
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| 00:28.03 | Ahendis | Invalid command 'Header', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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| 00:28.56 | Ahendis | Mmmm.. I need to enable mod_headers, no ? |
| 00:29.25 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: there you go |
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| 00:29.48 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: so a2enmod headers; |
| 00:29.56 | Ahendis | ok :) |
| 00:29.58 | happytux | themill: ah |
| 00:30.06 | Ahendis | where https.conf in debian ? |
| 00:30.11 | Ahendis | 's |
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| 00:30.17 | happytux | themill: so the upstream source is updated/committed to for each new upstream release to be packaged, right? |
| 00:30.18 | Ahendis | (excuse my poor english) |
| 00:31.11 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: it's in /etc/apache2, but to enable modules, you don't need to edit it. |
| 00:31.43 | Ahendis | Mmm. ok. How should i proceed ? |
| 00:31.56 | themill | happytux: yes |
| 00:32.07 | Ahendis | I would add this line: LoadModule headers_module modules/mod_headers.so |
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| 00:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: a2enmod headers; |
| 00:32.34 | Ahendis | ? |
| 00:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: that's the command you want to run. man a2enmod; for details |
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| 00:32.46 | Ahendis | Sorry i'm a little newbie. What i'm suppose to do ? |
| 00:32.59 | happytux | themill: and patches in debian package are also made for code adoptions to upstream, to make it debian packaging compliant? |
| 00:33.04 | Ahendis | Yes but when i'll reload or restart apache ? |
| 00:33.06 | happytux | themill: not only for some bugfixes? |
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| 00:33.16 | Ahendis | the a2enmod header will be enabled ? |
| 00:33.36 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: yes, then you reload apache, and it'll be enabled |
| 00:33.49 | Ahendis | Ok, thank you, i'll try :) |
| 00:34.19 | Ahendis | cool, it works ;) |
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| 00:35.36 | gregor_ | ls |
| 00:35.39 | gregor_ | hi |
| 00:35.39 | Ahendis | Thank you :) |
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| 00:37.33 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: no problem; I strongly suggest reading /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz if you haven't already |
| 00:37.59 | Ahendis | Yes. Thank you :) |
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| 00:41.09 | Odd0002 | by the way, anyone that heard about my problems with debian and my TV: I found that if I let my computer get into power saving mode and then come back out when the TV is on, it works |
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| 00:41.45 | da3m0n22 | themill: strange, i can't find such signature anywhere now, is it possible that shuffling with repositories (even official ones) could lead APT to give me such results? because i really copied that version string, and seen at least 3 versions of apache2, where now i see only one version at all |
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| 00:46.22 | gregor_ | hi |
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| 00:51.28 | petn-randall | Odd0002: Interesting. |
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| 00:52.26 | Odd0002 | petn-randall: basically, when it goes out of sleep, it probably sends a "reconnect" signal to wake the screen up or something, so... |
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| 01:15.50 | kruug | what command starts bittorrent-gui? |
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| 01:17.02 | bytesaber | there are MATE packages available in Testing. Is it a working desktop? Some packages appear to be missing. |
| 01:17.18 | bytesaber | or? should I install MATE via MATE's repositories? |
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| 01:20.44 | zenlunatic | use squeeze :) |
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| 01:27.29 | DoverMo | anywun pack multimedia? |
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| 01:29.20 | bytesaber | when i look at wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:debian, do I take this info as "MATE is available in Debian Testing" ? |
| 01:29.41 | bytesaber | crap, sorry, double posted |
| 01:30.27 | somiaj | bytesaber: it has slowly worked it's way into testing, I'm still not sure if it is complete in testing but I belive it should be by the freeze |
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| 01:30.58 | bytesaber | Well what i'm really trying to determine, is if i upgrade to Testing, is a working usable version there? |
| 01:31.02 | DoverMo | bytesaber, correct, it's in jessie main |
| 01:31.20 | somiaj | bytesaber: looks like it, you could always try in a vm, (: |
| 01:31.36 | coppercore | just curious, was there any word for when jesse was going to hit freeze? |
| 01:31.40 | bytesaber | I think i'll upgrade my repos to Testing |
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| 01:32.00 | bytesaber | is running testing? of any concern? |
| 01:32.09 | somiaj | coppercore: nov. 5th is the date I keep seeing, somewhere in that neighborhood I would imangine |
| 01:32.22 | coppercore | ah cool, thanks |
| 01:32.24 | DoverMo | bytesaber, over what? |
| 01:32.31 | bytesaber | stable |
| 01:32.38 | somiaj | bytesaber: it works for the most part, but it gets very poor security support (as in you may wait up to a week or more to get a security or even bug fix) |
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| 01:33.09 | somiaj | expect issues, they may range from small to major that you will have to fix. But people do run testing just fine, though they do end up fixing things when they break too |
| 01:33.13 | bytesaber | stable gets security updates right away? |
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| 01:33.21 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: My ip server redirect to my website, how can i remove this ? |
| 01:33.28 | Ahendis | If someone has an id |
| 01:33.35 | DoverMo | bytesaber, well some people don't *like* having less than... 94% stability or something in EVERY package.. otherwise, it's fine. I would avoid gnome however |
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| 01:34.04 | DoverMo | bytesaber, and yeah like they said, security is still slow |
| 01:34.18 | somiaj | bytesaber: they come in really quickly directaly though security.debian.org, when a vul is found a fix is applied to stable/oldstable via security and then fixed and uplaoded to sid. Testing has to wait for the security package to filter down (though sometimes they speed up that process for security fixes) |
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| 01:34.49 | somiaj | yea major upgrades in testing as gnome filters down from sid can cause problems, the simipler your desktop the less problems you will encounter |
| 01:34.57 | bytesaber | lol the fix lands in stable and sid, but testing gets it's last. |
| 01:35.25 | somiaj | well all packages in testing filter though sid first as the first place new bugs can be found, hence why it is called unstable and named after the child who breaks things |
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| 01:35.35 | somiaj | there is no security support for testing, so fixes have to come the normal way |
| 01:35.50 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: that's generally what you want. If that's not what you want, then you should have a default site which handles your IP and all non-HTTP 1.1 requests. |
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| 01:36.27 | punto | hi. what's the name of the package that gives 'less' the ability to list zip files and stuff like that? |
| 01:36.52 | Ahendis | Ok. i made a mistake with my virtual host ? |
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| 01:38.13 | somiaj | punto: the command is called zless |
| 01:38.35 | somiaj | punto: it is part of the gzip package |
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| 01:39.15 | somiaj | punto: now gzip2 files need bzless whihc is part of the bzip2 package. |
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| 01:39.57 | punto | somiaj: zless seems to behave the same as less. it shows me the binary file |
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| 01:40.00 | DoverMo | somiaj, nov 5. but are they ever going to implement systemd? |
| 01:40.01 | punto | can it open a .zip ? |
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| 01:40.36 | somiaj | punto: no it is for gzip as I said. |
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| 01:40.56 | punto | I need the one that opens zips |
| 01:41.07 | punto | and also pngs and stuff like that |
| 01:41.09 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: ? ;) |
| 01:41.11 | somiaj | zip is more ataend to a .tar.gz it is an archive and the whole archive is ziped, but you can compress just test files |
| 01:41.21 | somiaj | punto: so you want unzip-free or somehting like that |
| 01:41.55 | somiaj | DoverMo: systemd is in wheezy, and is already set up (i belive) to replace sysvinit when you upgrade to it. You can of course install systemd in wheezy and beyond if you want to use it |
| 01:42.10 | punto | somiaj: I already have the programs that unzip it, I just want to use "less" to list the contents of the package |
| 01:42.20 | somiaj | DoverMo: both systemd and sysvinit will be supported, not sure how the upgrade is going to happen |
| 01:42.27 | DoverMo | somiaj, i see |
| 01:42.48 | DoverMo | somiaj, well i know it was setup, cuz i've used it before too. i just wondered if they are going to drop sysvinit |
| 01:42.49 | somiaj | punto: less doesn't list the contents of a package, less prints out the data in a text file. zless would not work on a tar.gz either because it is an archive, not a single text file |
| 01:43.14 | somiaj | DoverMo: afiak sysvinit will sitll be supported (in matinaer package scripts should be able to use either systemd or sysvinit). |
| 01:43.36 | DoverMo | somiaj, right |
| 01:43.38 | somiaj | punto: .zip is akin to .tar.gz files, zless would only work on .gz files |
| 01:44.17 | punto | somiaj: I have other computers where I run "less somefile.zip" and I see the list of files inside the zip package, it's possible |
| 01:44.29 | punto | I just need to know the name of the package that configures/installs this ability |
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| 01:44.52 | punto | it also opens png files and tells you the dimensions and stuff like that |
| 01:45.11 | dvs | midnight commander? |
| 01:45.58 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: the first virtual host listed is the default one. If you only have one, it'll be used if no other virtual host matches. |
| 01:46.38 | Ahendis | Ok. How can i force using domain and no ip ? |
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| 01:47.13 | punto | $ less plank.png |cat |
| 01:47.14 | punto | plank.png PNG 256x16 256x16+0+0 8-bit DirectClass 270B 0.000u 0:00.000 |
| 01:47.17 | punto | that sort of thing |
| 01:47.33 | somiaj | punto: less --versoin of that please? |
| 01:47.54 | punto | somiaj: less 444 |
| 01:47.54 | dvs | Ahendis: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:48.18 | Ahendis | Ok thanks. And ? |
| 01:48.32 | somiaj | punto: what os is that on? I saw mention that less can work on zipfiles, but it might be an option that is not configured in the debian less. |
| 01:48.34 | punto | somiaj: on the one that doesn't work it's 458 |
| 01:48.37 | dvs | Ahendis: add a line like "domain xxxxxx.com"? |
| 01:48.44 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: if you don't want http://1.2.3.4, then you need to have a virtual host which is the default one. |
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| 01:49.04 | Ahendis | ok |
| 01:49.06 | punto | oh I see the difference |
| 01:49.11 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: but that's pretty silly. Almost everyone wants http://1.2.3.4 to work, even if it just redirects to http://www.example.com |
| 01:49.21 | punto | somiaj: it's working on ubuntu 12.4 |
| 01:49.27 | somiaj | punto: 444 in the versoin here in wheezy, but there could also be compile time options as well |
| 01:49.35 | punto | somiaj: I want to make it work on debian |
| 01:49.56 | punto | looks like "jessie" |
| 01:50.17 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: yes. But how can i redirect http://1.2.3.4 to my domain name ? |
| 01:50.20 | somiaj | punto: I can't test to see if it works in sid now, but it dosen't work in wheezy |
| 01:50.37 | somiaj | punto: if it is just a backport you need, /msg dpkg ssb (and build your own backport) |
| 01:50.37 | somiaj | ,v less |
| 01:50.37 | judd | Package: less on i386 -- squeeze: 436-1; wheezy: 444-4; jessie: 458-2; sid: 458-2 |
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| 01:50.54 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: use a RewriteRule. |
| 01:50.59 | Ahendis | mmMmm |
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| 01:51.09 | somiaj | punto: if it is a compile time option you have to select (What I think the case is), /msg dpkg packge recompile -- then you will have to compile a custom less package with that option included |
| 01:51.30 | somiaj | punto: though you can get the exact same effect with 'unzip -l zipfile' according to this pacge I found |
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| 01:51.55 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: i prefere to use another virtual host |
| 01:52.13 | punto | somiaj: looks like there's something called "lesspipe" that lists the zip file |
| 01:52.32 | punto | and on ubuntu there's a $LESSOPEN that makes less use lesspipe by default or something |
| 01:53.03 | punto | so lesspipe file.zip|less behaves the same |
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| 01:53.09 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: I use the serv for a famous website :) it's a better solution, no ? :) |
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| 01:54.43 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: i've send that: a2dissite 000-default - How can i dismiss this ? ;) |
| 01:55.00 | Ahendis | a2ensite ? ;) |
| 01:55.58 | Ahendis | Yeah it works ;) |
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| 01:57.04 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: a2ensite défaut < it's ok. Exactly what i want :) |
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| 02:05.22 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: Thank you very much. Just one last question. Image with accentuate caractère in the name doesn't work, what can i do ? |
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| 02:06.22 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: you've probably got an encoding mismatch between the filesystem and the html file, or something similar |
| 02:06.45 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: the simple solution is to not use acents. The more compliciated solution is to make sure you're using UTF-8 everywhere. |
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| 02:08.03 | Ahendis | mMm, it's not an apache conf ? |
| 02:08.50 | Ahendis | dondelelcaro: i've migrate from another host. With 400 or 500 image with accentuate carctère :) If i can reconfigure apache to accept this, it will be cool... |
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| 02:12.38 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: no. |
| 02:12.54 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: it has nothing to do with apache, and everything to do with the encoding mismatch |
| 02:13.05 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: you can of course work around it by using rewrite rules to fix them up |
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| 02:13.30 | Ahendis | how ? |
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| 02:18.14 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: something along these lines: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1279681/mod-rewrite-replace-underscores-with-dashes |
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| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | Ahendis: using \xe9 and \xc3a9, or similar. |
| 02:18.42 | Ahendis | thank you |
| 02:19.07 | dondelelcaro | mod_spelling might also do this, or some other similar module |
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| 02:20.20 | Ahendis | ok ;) |
| 02:20.23 | Ahendis | thank you |
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| 02:42.14 | mintgreen | is away: さようなら |
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| 02:48.52 | bytesaber | to upgrade from stable to testing. do i need to do "upgrade' before a "dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 02:49.39 | DoverMo | bytesaber, no. that's more likely to break things |
| 02:50.18 | bytesaber | update sources, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:50.39 | DoverMo | bytesaber, yes. the main repo is "jessie" |
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| 02:50.43 | DoverMo | bytesaber, without -updates |
| 02:51.04 | bytesaber | ? |
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| 02:51.14 | bytesaber | without -updates? |
| 02:51.18 | DoverMo | bytesaber, jessie doesn't have any jessie-updates |
| 02:51.24 | DoverMo | bytesaber, it's just "jessie" |
| 02:52.04 | bytesaber | debgen.simplylinux.ch apparently sucks then |
| 02:52.12 | zykotick9 | !tell bytesaber about wheezy->jessie |
| 02:52.15 | DoverMo | bytesaber, yep |
| 02:52.21 | bytesaber | it lists jessing-updates and jessie/updates |
| 02:52.34 | DoverMo | bytesaber, jessie/updates is for security |
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| 02:53.11 | DoverMo | bytesaber, jessie-updates will give you an empty repo |
| 02:53.38 | bytesaber | so just two lines? |
| 02:53.48 | bytesaber | a deb for main (using jessie) |
| 02:53.56 | bytesaber | and a deb for security (jessie/updates) |
| 02:55.06 | bytesaber | when jessie releases. jessie-updates would work tho |
| 02:55.28 | DoverMo | bytesaber, backup your data |
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| 02:55.37 | DoverMo | bytesaber, and cleanup stuff if you want to |
| 02:55.38 | bytesaber | always |
| 02:55.48 | bytesaber | it's a fresh gnome-live install of stable |
| 02:55.55 | bytesaber | notjhing to really backup righ tnow |
| 02:56.28 | DoverMo | bytesaber, oh good |
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| 03:19.42 | joris_ | How would I go about checking why the debian netinstall can't connect to my network properly? |
| 03:20.00 | joris_ | Sometimes it fails at exchanging keys, othertimes it fails with dhcp config |
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| 03:26.58 | zenlunatic | any security issues with not using an entire disk for an encrypted lvm |
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| 03:27.27 | DoverMo | zenlunatic, what encryption? |
| 03:28.19 | mintgreen | is away: ロンドンで証券ディーラーとして働くセバスチャンは、父親レミが癌を患っているとの知らせを聞き、故郷のモントリオールに戻る。歴史学の教授であるレミは頑固で酒好き、更に女癖が悪 |
| 03:28.36 | zenlunatic | encrypted luks container |
| 03:28.45 | LoRez | mintgreen: turn that off |
| 03:29.06 | ebfull | zenlunatic: i'm using one right now |
| 03:29.18 | ebfull | no problems here, anything you're worried about? |
| 03:30.37 | DoverMo | zenlunatic, then no |
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| 03:33.19 | zenlunatic | i read that only using a portion of a PV could lead to possible key exposure but I can't find it |
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| 03:33.55 | inahd | hey guys, i was wondering about b43-fwcutter vs. broadcom-sta-common... i installed the latter and the wireless option in network connections disappeared! |
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| 03:35.12 | inahd | b43-fwcutter has dependencies that i could not figure out how to satisfy without internet connection, it is a vicious cycle |
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| 03:36.01 | DoverMo | zenlunatic, unless there's an extremely simple exploit in the works, i don't think it would be easy |
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| 03:37.01 | zenlunatic | DoverMo: it might have been ssd specific but if i hunt it down i will share |
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| 03:40.46 | inahd | i was thinking to reinstall, but during install it asked me for the b43 package for installation... how would it install b43 drivers without meeting the dependencies...? |
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| 03:41.16 | wols_ | inahd: it has the needed dependencies already |
| 03:41.41 | inahd | wols_: why won't it install through gdebi then? |
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| 03:43.24 | inahd | assuming the dependencies are on the dvd i guess, would i use the b43-fwcutter .deb? |
| 03:43.25 | wols_ | cause the .deb obviously doesn't have the other .debs it depends on inside like a matroshka doll... |
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| 03:45.14 | inahd | hmm, okay i guess i will try installing again... |
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| 03:46.38 | wols_ | what makes you think this time it will magically work? |
| 03:46.57 | wols_ | just check what dependencies it needs and install those too. should be basically only wpasupplicant |
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| 03:48.00 | inahd | umm okay. hopefully its dependencies don't have other dependencies that need to be met also... |
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| 03:50.52 | inahd | also, hopefully the wireless option will magically return to network connections if i do this right |
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| 04:05.40 | inahd | okay wireless drivers installed, but still no wireless option in network connections... |
| 04:06.08 | inahd | wireless option disappeared when i tried installing broadcom-sta-common |
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| 04:07.14 | somiaj | the packages are just firmware cutters, you need a copy of the binary drivers to cut the firmware from (this is one of the most painful cards to get working offline, another internet connenction makes it so much easier) |
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| 04:07.41 | inahd | well darn |
| 04:08.24 | inahd | where do i get binary drivers, and how do i cut them? |
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| 04:09.55 | inahd | ...feeling...enthusiasm...waning.... |
| 04:10.07 | Rusty1 | which bcm is it? |
| 04:10.24 | inahd | 4321 |
| 04:10.28 | inahd | i believe |
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| 04:12.47 | Rusty1 | wired connection to the computer? from what somiaj said i guess not |
| 04:13.15 | wols_ | inahd: "i believe" is the wrong answer, you need to know before you can act |
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| 04:13.56 | inahd | yeah no wired connection |
| 04:14.18 | inahd | i do believe 4321 is what it is though |
| 04:14.53 | wols_ | believing is not enough |
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| 04:15.03 | Rusty1 | in a terminal , type: lspci|grep 4321 |
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| 04:16.45 | inahd | yeah, its 4321 |
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| 04:21.00 | Rusty1 | inahd: what does: lsmod|grep b43 return |
| 04:21.38 | inahd | Rusty1: nothing |
| 04:22.08 | Rusty1 | inahd: type, as root: modprobe b43 |
| 04:22.25 | inahd | nada |
| 04:22.44 | inahd | or rather ok, done. |
| 04:23.06 | Rusty1 | inahd: type, as root: iwconfig, is there a wlan0? |
| 04:23.22 | inahd | yessir! |
| 04:23.55 | Rusty1 | inahd: type, as root: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 04:24.37 | Rusty1 | any networks? |
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| 04:25.01 | inahd | network is down |
| 04:25.24 | Rusty1 | type, as root: ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 04:25.55 | Rusty1 | somiaj: am i doing something already tried? |
| 04:26.13 | inahd | SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory |
| 04:26.32 | inahd | i haven't done this yet... but need the firmware installed |
| 04:26.44 | inahd | at least now the wireless is showing up again |
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| 04:26.51 | somiaj | Rusty1: I haven't been folowing that closely. The only part I saw was him trying to isntall the firmware cutter packages because he needs firmware. But he still needs to downlaod the actual firmware binary blob to cut the firmware from. |
| 04:26.57 | joris_ | how do I upgrade my minimal install to a full install? |
| 04:27.26 | somiaj | joris_: what do you call a full install? |
| 04:27.46 | Rusty1 | inahd: best to get a wired connection to it |
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| 04:27.58 | Rusty1 | and install the firmware |
| 04:28.15 | inahd | sigh |
| 04:28.16 | inahd | okay |
| 04:28.21 | Rusty1 | sorry |
| 04:28.32 | somiaj | Rusty1, inahd: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80075 -- there are some links to the additional firmwear blob to download and how to use the tools to cut it out |
| 04:28.36 | joris_ | well, when I installed with the live disk, I was having wifi issues, so I couldnt do the whole extended net install part, but now I got usb dongle and am connected to internet, so what do I need to do to get all the extra packages and whatnot that it would have downloaded |
| 04:28.36 | Rusty1 | or get a cheap usb adapter |
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| 04:28.49 | inahd | its cool, all in due time. i actually have a usb adapter somewhere... |
| 04:28.55 | inahd | or had one at least |
| 04:28.56 | somiaj | joris_: you can just apt-get/aptitude install the packages you want. |
| 04:29.23 | somiaj | joris_: you you can install full tasks, the program is called 'tasksel' and you may have to install the task you want before running that program (such as the lxde desktop task) |
| 04:29.30 | DrakkenWarr | or yum upgrade from the cli now that you have connectivity |
| 04:29.31 | joris_ | somiaj: but I don't know which ones I am missing, or does it not matter? |
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| 04:29.52 | somiaj | joris_: if you dont know you are missing it, do you actually need it? |
| 04:29.53 | DrakkenWarr | yum update I believe will fix that |
| 04:30.07 | somiaj | joris_: again apt will resolve any dependencies, so if you ever install somethign that needs it, it will just pull it in at that time. |
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| 04:30.24 | somiaj | DrakkenWarr: you are in the wrong place for yum |
| 04:30.27 | DrakkenWarr | shit wrong channel disregard |
| 04:30.33 | joris_ | ok, thanks somiaj |
| 04:30.35 | DrakkenWarr | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 04:31.08 | DrakkenWarr | once that clears if you want to make sure you have everything installed that you need? apt-get dist-upgrade as well |
| 04:33.42 | joris_ | why is my wifi so slow? on my PC I get 2-3mb/s but on debian im getting a few hundred kb/s |
| 04:34.53 | Devastator | joris_ have you tried another OS to not blame debian? |
| 04:35.18 | joris_ | Devastator: I also have kali installed (based off debian) and that one works fine |
| 04:35.39 | Devastator | then I don't know.. |
| 04:35.48 | joris_ | same PC with same wifi adapter |
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| 04:47.57 | DrakkenWarr | do you have the correct wifi drivers installed? A generic would give you the degradation you are seeing in throughput |
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| 04:49.32 | joris_ | DrakkenWarr: according to the internets, my wifi driver should be built into the kernel |
| 04:49.54 | DrakkenWarr | hrm |
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| 04:50.20 | joris_ | thats why I bought this one, because I was having issues with the build in one (to new for kernel) |
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| 04:53.38 | aegis | Can someone who is good with computers please text me at 6505157864@vtext.com or call me at (650)-515-7864... I will pay you in bitcoin. |
| 04:54.42 | joris_ | hey somiaj finally managed to upgrade my kernel :) |
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| 04:55.35 | joris_ | on version 3.13-0 now :D |
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| 05:31.58 | MaekSo | . |
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| 05:38.07 | morfin | where is initrd located? |
| 05:38.16 | morfin | on installation CD\DVD? |
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| 05:44.41 | morfin | which package have initrd? |
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| 05:49.10 | average | morfin: sudo apt-file update ; apt-file -x search 'initrd' |
| 05:49.27 | belak51 | Is there a way to run something from cron on boot? |
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| 05:50.48 | somiaj | belak51: use @reboot as the time stamp |
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| 05:51.06 | somiaj | well the time string part of cron, so @reboot command |
| 05:51.25 | morfin | there no such |
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| 05:51.27 | somiaj | and it will run whenever cron is fully started (which happens at boot, but could also happen at other times) |
| 05:51.40 | morfin | looks like initrd is being copied from nowhere |
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| 05:52.09 | somiaj | average: please don't message people. Yes it would be prefered to use init scripts, but you can use cron too which was teh question. |
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| 05:52.57 | average | somiaj: you're right. sorry about messaging you, I was just curious about the topic. next time can I ask that question in the channel ? |
| 05:53.01 | belak51 | somiaj: does that work with all cron daemons? |
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| 05:53.30 | morfin | there no package with initrd? |
| 05:53.41 | morfin | apt-file -x search 'initrd.img' says nothing |
| 05:53.56 | morfin | or it's being dynamically created when installing? |
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| 05:54.05 | somiaj | average: yes you can |
| 05:54.15 | somiaj | belak51: I belive so, but not positive |
| 05:54.23 | somiaj | belak51: it is a common thing to see when looking that up |
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| 05:54.44 | somiaj | morfin: it is created by initramfs-tools or something like that when the kernel is isntalled/upgraded I belive |
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| 05:55.41 | morfin | with initramfs? |
| 05:56.00 | Sbroker | . |
| 05:56.16 | morfin | it probably moves some minimal stuff into that image |
| 05:56.17 | somiaj | and initd image uses the initramfs (file system) |
| 05:56.35 | morfin | as i know |
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| 05:56.50 | somiaj | average: that link you shared was a basically generic idea of what an LSB init script for sysvinit is. This is the default in wheezy. Jessie will use systemd by default and it's initscripts will be different. |
| 05:56.54 | morfin | but idk how do i get initrd out of my VM hm |
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| 05:58.37 | average | morfin: you mean copy it outside of your VM? if so, you may find it in /boot I believe |
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| 06:00.00 | morfin | i know |
| 06:00.05 | morfin | but i can't boot VM |
| 06:00.15 | morfin | he-he |
| 06:00.24 | average | morfin: you may use sleuthkit to read the VM disk image and extract it like that |
| 06:00.38 | morfin | it works with raw? |
| 06:00.42 | average | yes it does |
| 06:00.52 | average | and other formats as well |
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| 06:01.51 | gellioth | what's better? to compile your own wine 1.6? or use the wine 1.6 that comes with playonlinux? |
| 06:02.53 | average | gellioth: aptitude show wine tells me 1.6.2-8 is available in Debian Jessie. I'd go for the one in the package manager .. |
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| 06:03.38 | average | unless maybe compiling or the playlinux one has some advantages that I don't know of..(I haven't played much with wine) |
| 06:03.54 | NotJimCa1rey | this is driving me nuts. how to i get vfat usb devices to automount user writable? |
| 06:03.56 | gellioth | Yes, I know but I like to use wheezy |
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| 06:04.58 | morfin | and how do i work with that? |
| 06:05.28 | morfin | sleuthkit |
| 06:06.16 | gellioth | however, thanks for anwering average: |
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| 06:06.59 | gellioth | sorry, :-) average without ":" |
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| 06:07.42 | gellioth | I'll try the version of playonlinux first |
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| 06:08.42 | average | morfin: perhaps this is the easiest way https://sysforensics.org/2012/04/the-sleuth-kit-part-5-recover-files-with-tsk_recover-and-icat.html |
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| 06:10.11 | muculus | is there any way (package, command,...) that I can find out is my cpu support sandy bridge or ivy bridge? |
| 06:10.18 | average | morfin: but sleuthkit might be overkill. you may use virtualbox-fuse too to mount the image and get what you need from it http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-mount-virtualbox-drive-image-vdi-in-ubuntu-12-1012-04.html |
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| 06:13.58 | shingouz | morfin: average: without checking out the link, i have to mention that you really, really do not want to mix anything from an ubuntu repository with your debian. if you do, you end up with something completely unsupportable and possibly broken |
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| 06:15.48 | average | shingouz: I agree. as a sidenote, virtualbox-fuse is available under Debian as well https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtualbox-fuse |
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| 06:18.54 | average | muculus: yes |
| 06:20.01 | muculus | average: how? |
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| 06:24.14 | average | cat /proc/cpuinfo | perl -ne '/^model\s+:\s+(\d+)$/ && print "$1\n"' | perl -ne 'BEGIN{$h={}; $h->{$_}="core2" for qw/15 22 23 29/; $h->{$_}="core_i7" for qw/26 30 31 46/; $h->{28}="atom"; $h->{$_} = "westmore" for qw/37 44 47/; $h->{$_}="sandybridge" for qw/42 45/; $h->{$_} = "ivybridge" for qw/58 62/; $h->{$_} = "haswell" for qw/60 63 66 70 71/; }; chomp; print $h->{$_}."\n";' |
| 06:24.20 | average | muculus: ^^ |
| 06:24.51 | average | I just wrote that according to this file where models were associated to codenames http://sourceforge.net/p/oprofile/oprofile-tests/ci/1cac98677af6dba641c4b602a72515f00cb0de6f/tree/testsuite/lib/op_util.exp |
| 06:25.20 | average | I hope that answers your question |
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| 06:26.03 | muculus | average: wow, thanks. |
| 06:26.08 | average | muculus: you're welcome |
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| 06:32.58 | muculus | average: I run it, and it returns : $ westmore , four times. what does it mean? |
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| 06:33.07 | AlexeyMish | Hi all. |
| 06:33.11 | average | muculus: that all your 4 cores are westmore ? |
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| 06:35.26 | muculus | average: I don't know. |
| 06:35.58 | AlexeyMish | need a help. How can i enable debug pptp server? Windows machine-PPTP is ok. iphone-pptp can't establish connection. /var/log/messages Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/1 LCP: timeout sending |
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| 06:36.24 | muculus | average: sorry, but it means that my cpu supports sandy or ivy ? |
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| 06:40.08 | average | muculus: for a better check: sudo aptitude install cpuid |
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| 06:40.37 | average | muculus: and then just run cpuid |
| 06:40.57 | average | if it says westmore, then it's westmore |
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| 06:42.01 | muculus | average: ok. |
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| 07:22.01 | martman | i have a linux laptop(system76) that had working wifi out of the box with centos, but doesnt seem to be recognized in debian |
| 07:22.09 | martman | i installed the intel firmware but still no luck |
| 07:22.18 | ferret_commander | try gnome desktop adn the web applet |
| 07:22.37 | martman | i installed gnome and network manager |
| 07:22.49 | martman | running ifconfig just shows my wired nic though |
| 07:23.22 | AlexeyMish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:25.05 | average | martman: then you might have a problem with your drivers.. |
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| 07:26.22 | martman | average yep, just confused by the fact its intel wireless and centos picked it up no problem |
| 07:26.31 | martman | i did a fresh install, not their install |
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| 07:27.45 | average | martman: what does this say ? lspci -vnn | grep -i "Wireless" |
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| 07:28.19 | ferret_commander | wireless stilll appears to be a pain under unix |
| 07:28.22 | average | martman: or this one lspci -vnn | grep -i "Network" |
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| 07:28.58 | average | ferret_commander: not always, but for some cards yes.. I have a Dell laptop that needs b43 legacy drivers for example.. |
| 07:29.48 | ferret_commander | :( |
| 07:29.58 | martman | average first one: nothing, second Intel Coproration Device |
| 07:29.59 | ferret_commander | laptop and smartphones turn me off |
| 07:30.04 | ferret_commander | I like a nice wired desktop |
| 07:30.08 | average | martman: full output of the second one please |
| 07:30.08 | ferret_commander | screw wireless |
| 07:30.22 | ferret_commander | I got 2nd hub and use that to goto wireless then plug into it on desktop |
| 07:30.24 | ferret_commander | yeah baby |
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| 07:31.42 | martman | average 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:08b1] (rev 73) |
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| 07:32.15 | average | ferret_commander: can you explain please? it sounds attractive. so you have some wifi <=> ethernet thing ? |
| 07:32.42 | themill | martman: I think you'll need a newer kernel for support for that chipset -- get one from backports.debian.org |
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| 07:32.46 | ferret_commander | yeah I bout a second like netgear |
| 07:32.47 | themill | dpkg: tell martman about wheezy-backports |
| 07:32.50 | ferret_commander | hub |
| 07:33.05 | ferret_commander | and it cna be configured to talk wireless to main wireless router |
| 07:33.10 | ferret_commander | and it sits next to my desktop |
| 07:33.15 | ferret_commander | and it connected with ethernet cable |
| 07:33.18 | ferret_commander | $50 |
| 07:33.21 | ferret_commander | :) |
| 07:33.23 | ferret_commander | time is money |
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| 07:33.48 | ferret_commander | gods damnit im good |
| 07:34.00 | average | themill: "As of 2/26/2014 The Stable version of Debian (Wheezy) uses kernel version 3.2. The firmware-iwlwifi that supports the Intel 7260 only works with kernel version 3.10 and above. I updated my system to be running on the Testing version (Jessie) which has kernel version 3.12 and everything came up fine." |
| 07:34.14 | average | themill: quote from http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=111840 |
| 07:34.24 | morfin | debian fails to install without network? |
| 07:34.28 | average | themill: he has the same problem as you did. according to him, switching to Jessie fixed it |
| 07:34.42 | themill | average: not me? and switching to jessie isn't required. |
| 07:34.46 | morfin | it does not even install base system from CD1 |
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| 07:35.01 | themill | morfin: you can complete an installation from just the netinst. |
| 07:35.24 | themill | morfin: it all depends on what packages you ask it to install at the tasksel stage. |
| 07:35.30 | morfin | shit i can't install because have no network in qemu |
| 07:35.37 | average | ferret_commander: give me a link to it pls, what model do you have? I think I should get one too.. |
| 07:35.57 | ferret_commander | Im at my girls house |
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| 07:36.10 | ferret_commander | my room ate had it lying around and configued it in the devices web gui |
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| 07:36.25 | ferret_commander | a place liek frys elecronics or ebay should have cheap wireles routers all around |
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| 07:36.35 | ferret_commander | so then when I go unix |
| 07:36.36 | morfin | only basics |
| 07:36.42 | ferret_commander | I just plug my eithenet cable in |
| 07:36.44 | ferret_commander | an live life |
| 07:36.47 | ferret_commander | :) |
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| 07:36.57 | average | ferret_commander: wait, so you carry a wifi router around ? |
| 07:37.00 | ferret_commander | f---k wireless setup crap |
| 07:37.08 | average | I'm confused |
| 07:37.14 | ferret_commander | yeah the main like phone comapny rotuer is in other room |
| 07:37.20 | ferret_commander | and my lil wifi router on my desk |
| 07:37.26 | ferret_commander | then ethernet cat 6 from it to my pc |
| 07:37.32 | ferret_commander | running the debian!! |
| 07:37.35 | ferret_commander | BAM! |
| 07:37.39 | average | hah ! |
| 07:37.40 | themill | takes away ferret_commander's enter key |
| 07:37.40 | martman | alright, i have backports setup |
| 07:37.44 | ferret_commander | reiserFS forever!! |
| 07:37.45 | martman | what exactly do i need to install? |
| 07:37.56 | ferret_commander | dont do bakports |
| 07:37.59 | ferret_commander | 3.2 is fine |
| 07:38.05 | themill | martman: aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 07:38.10 | ferret_commander | stick to reisterFS and feel the power |
| 07:38.12 | ferret_commander | the might |
| 07:38.15 | themill | martman: (I'm assuming you're running amd64 there...) |
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| 07:38.21 | morfin | CD1 does not have basic tools? |
| 07:38.21 | martman | yep |
| 07:38.22 | martman | i am |
| 07:38.26 | themill | ferret_commander: umm,... |
| 07:38.27 | morfin | so i need DVD? |
| 07:38.39 | themill | morfin: depends on your definition of basic. |
| 07:38.42 | morfin | i think it should have |
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| 07:38.52 | morfin | ninutils |
| 07:38.56 | morfin | *binutils |
| 07:39.00 | themill | morfin: as I said, you can complete an entire installation just off the netinst. |
| 07:39.06 | ferret_commander | gods i love myself |
| 07:39.06 | morfin | i can't |
| 07:39.13 | ferret_commander | unix gives me a boner |
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| 07:39.34 | morfin | i am running qemu for sparc64 and using special initrd to install system |
| 07:39.37 | themill | morfin: yes, you can. (and binutils is not really basic tools...) |
| 07:40.01 | morfin | it does not even suggest to configure anything |
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| 07:41.09 | morfin | qemu for sparc64 is retarded |
| 07:41.22 | average | themill: ah yes, you're right. if you can find in backports what you need, you can get those drivers working |
| 07:41.35 | martman | still no go. new kernel and no wireless is showing up |
| 07:41.38 | martman | any other ideas guys? |
| 07:42.00 | average | oh I spoke too soon.. |
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| 07:42.27 | themill | martman: you installed and rebooted into the kernel? Did you also upgrade the firmware-iwlwifi package? |
| 07:42.51 | average | martman: did you install firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 07:43.03 | average | wait, I just wrote what he wrote |
| 07:43.07 | martman | doing the iwlwifi part now |
| 07:43.08 | average | man I'm slow.. lol |
| 07:43.20 | martman | lets see what that does for me... |
| 07:43.22 | morfin | shit |
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| 07:44.22 | morfin | ok it's impossible to install Debian in qemu for SPARC64 |
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| 07:44.28 | morfin | i beleive nobody did that |
| 07:45.24 | themill | well... seeing as no-one cares about sparc any more, it's entirely possible.... (but also highly unlikely) |
| 07:45.34 | morfin | not just sparc but sparc64 |
| 07:45.39 | martman | awesome, looks like that did it |
| 07:45.40 | morfin | which is different |
| 07:45.40 | martman | thanks guys |
| 07:45.47 | morfin | anyway |
| 07:45.59 | themill | morfin: different architecture with about the same level of interest. |
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| 07:46.09 | morfin | :D |
| 07:46.34 | morfin | anybody knows what's in initrd on cd\netinst? |
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| 07:48.13 | morfin | it should be a bit different for regular CD,DVD and netinst |
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| 07:48.54 | themill | why? |
| 07:49.07 | jelly-home | morfin: do you absolutely require debian 7? at the risk of repeating myself, lenny and squeeze used to be installable for sparc. Haven't tried sparc64. |
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| 07:49.42 | jelly-home | (on qemu. it worked on ultra 5 hw) |
| 07:49.59 | twothree | Hey guys...I got a problem on my debian machine regarding emailing...which is done via ssmtp. Ich checked the 2 config files on a freshly installed vm - where they work nicely with the gmail account that is configured. |
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| 07:50.04 | morfin | hmmm |
| 07:50.21 | twothree | but on the machine i am having probs with...it says "Cannot open smtp......:587" |
| 07:50.36 | twothree | I can ping and nc the smtp from the problematic machine though... |
| 07:50.41 | jelly-home | morfin: you said you wanted any big endian, is that still true? What do you need it for? |
| 07:51.04 | twothree | ...so i don´t think the problem is network related... |
| 07:51.21 | twothree | ...anyone of you got any ideas, what I could look into? |
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| 07:53.05 | morfin | only to test my program |
| 07:53.55 | sftp | Zone: hi, are you here? i tried debuild with --source-option="-Zgzip", but seems it does not works for me. |
| 07:54.45 | morfin | strange |
| 07:55.33 | morfin | hmm |
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| 08:03.06 | morfin | i was looking for installed sparc64 image but there no |
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| 08:04.47 | morfin | i need dvd i think |
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| 08:05.55 | morfin | i can't install from CD1(with only basic system tools) |
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| 08:06.32 | average | morfin: here are some Debian SPARC images http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/sparc/ |
| 08:06.38 | morfin | i saw them |
| 08:06.45 | average | morfin: did you use them ? |
| 08:07.11 | morfin | i tried(but it hanged up) but i think now it could work |
| 08:07.20 | average | ok |
| 08:08.09 | morfin | just interested does not initrd from netinst include confiuration for networking etc? |
| 08:08.58 | morfin | i was trying to install using netinst but there nothing to configure networking so i can't |
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| 08:16.09 | average | morfin: I just read an article about some people using QEMU to replace hardware that's about to become extinct ! they're running the software that they used to run on old hardware, inside a QEMU instance. apparently the software is a navigation system for a 3000 tons ship http://tyom.blogspot.ro/2013/04/using-qemu-to-navigate-3000-tons-ship.html#more |
| 08:16.14 | average | fascinating |
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| 08:17.07 | tty | Hi. I have a wordpress installation on Ubuntu but the contact form is not sending the email. Anyone know what to do? |
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| 08:17.23 | morfin | ugly hack |
| 08:17.46 | morfin | i don't think relying software emulator is a good idea |
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| 08:20.15 | average | yeah maybe it's just a stop-gap measure until they port the stuff over to a normal architecture |
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| 08:49.58 | sftp | Zone: nwm, i fixed it with wrapper over dh_builddeb. i'll report feature-request/bugreport to debuild developers |
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| 08:50.42 | nte0ieh | hi guys, I would like to be able to make my laptop call, and recieve phonecalls, sending sms etc Got sim card installed. is this a easy task, and possible to find good tools that work well? cli tools are also interesting, i could always script things if needed |
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| 08:54.19 | average | nte0ieh: some time ago I looked at this and saw something called gnokii, not sure if it's still maintained... |
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| 08:55.24 | average | nte0ieh: but these days maybe it's easier to just get an android and write some stuff to control its SMS API and phonecalls.. |
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| 08:56.16 | nte0ieh | thanks for tip :) |
| 08:56.24 | average | nte0ieh: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10101024/any-sms-api-is-available-for-android-to-send-sms-from-android-application http://developer.android.com/reference/android/telephony/SmsManager.html |
| 08:57.25 | Superlokkus | After the last apt update on my dual boot debian, grub is missing my windows 7 boot option. Easy fix? |
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| 09:00.56 | average | Superlokkus: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/08/msg00739.html |
| 09:01.07 | average | Superlokkus: you can use a livecd with debian for this |
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| 09:01.18 | Superlokkus | Thanks average! |
| 09:01.21 | average | np |
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| 09:27.14 | Peace- | hi , i would like if there is some command like this sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i stuff |
| 09:27.17 | Peace- | but using apt-get |
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| 09:27.29 | Peace- | or maybe better |
| 09:27.31 | jack008 | ... |
| 09:27.40 | Peace- | dpkg --force-all |
| 09:27.41 | dpkg | Peace-: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:27.47 | jack008 | ok |
| 09:27.58 | petn-randall | Peace-: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:27.58 | jack008 | hi guys |
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| 09:28.55 | jack008 | why people hate chinese |
| 09:29.25 | jack008 | and shut up me |
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| 09:29.38 | themill | jack008: you could stop being a pain in ever channel you go into |
| 09:29.58 | Peace- | petn-randall: nothing o particular because i am bored about to write that commands and sometimes like today i had to test some deb packages i wanted to know if instead to use dpgk to force a packages there was a way to use apt-get |
| 09:30.17 | Peace- | petn-randall: because iwth dpkg i need to search the packages in cache |
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| 09:30.41 | themill | Peace-: you should never need to do so |
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| 09:31.03 | Peace- | themill: you right but i just need to test some packages |
| 09:31.05 | babilen | jack008: Please try to be polite and do not insinuate racist motives for behaviour that is, almost certainly, completely unrelated. You have been silenced for ten minutes and I would hope that you come back with more productive questions next time |
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| 09:32.07 | odla | hi, i installed a chromium browser app circ and it is now in my xfce menu. how can i remove this? |
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| 09:33.22 | SynrGy | odla: a what? |
| 09:34.06 | odla | it's an irc application for the chromium browser. for some reason this application now has an entry in my xfce4 menu even though it's not installed anymore |
| 09:34.24 | themill | Peace-: you can pass such options to dpkg through apt. But if you're testing packages then one of the tests is that you don't need to do that ;) |
| 09:34.42 | SynrGy | odla: from a third party? |
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| 09:35.28 | SynrGy | odla: could be there is a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications or /usr/local/share/applications ... or ~/.local/share/applications ... |
| 09:35.35 | SynrGy | depending on how it was installed |
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| 09:35.41 | Peace- | themill: , this is good can you give me a link or something ? |
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| 09:36.13 | odla | SynrGy: thanks. it was in ~/.local/share/applications |
| 09:36.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Peace- about force-overwrite |
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| 09:38.51 | Peace- | themill: nobody has said me to use overwrite i did for my own purpuse becasuse there was a packages that had some file config that was in another package |
| 09:39.02 | SynrGy | odla: p.s. adherence to proper grammar & punctuation on irc is lax/inconsistent, but commas help :) |
| 09:39.28 | odla | ok |
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| 09:39.46 | SynrGy | "i installed a chromium browser app, circ, and ..." |
| 09:40.10 | Peace- | themill: i forced the overwrite so now i got the installation ready to go , and i wondering if i could do the same thing suding apt-get install stuff withoutboringme about conf file that are in 2 packages |
| 09:40.11 | SynrGy | i didn't know what a an "app circ" was :) |
| 09:40.25 | Peace- | i was wondering * |
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| 09:40.51 | odla | i figured that was the problem. |
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| 09:47.10 | sandman13 | libreoffice looks ugly doesn't follow the gtk theme in KDE? What can I do to solve this problem? |
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| 09:55.20 | jack008 | ggg |
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| 09:57.11 | sandman13 | libreoffice looks ugly doesn't follow the gtk theme in KDE. What can I do to solve this problem? |
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| 10:00.26 | average | I wonder how that's a problem.. |
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| 10:04.12 | petn-randall | sandman13: So you want libreoffice to fit the KDE theme? You'll need to have libreoffice-kde installed. |
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| 10:06.31 | sandman13 | petn-randall: installing... |
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| 10:07.07 | sandman13 | petn-randall: thanks it worked |
| 10:08.12 | petn-randall | sandman13: You're welcome, glad I could help. |
| 10:08.31 | sandman13 | :D |
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| 10:10.35 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all, I am setting a samba server authenticating agains a PDC |
| 10:10.55 | Aprendiz1234_ | I have debian wheezy |
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| 10:11.50 | Aprendiz1234_ | If I use wbinfo(-a, -u, -g) command is working fine but when I try to access to the share folder from a client I get authentication error |
| 10:12.10 | Aprendiz1234_ | anyone know what can be the problem? |
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| 10:18.35 | superlinux-hp | I am using Android-x86.org . and I want to install apt-get from scratch. how can I achieve this task? |
| 10:18.56 | superlinux-hp | and Also it does not come with gcc nor make .. |
| 10:19.14 | petern_ | Is it Debian? |
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| 10:21.21 | TJ- | superlinux-hp: sounds like you'll need to build a cross-compile toolchain first |
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| 10:26.05 | superlinux-hp | TJ-, Android-x86 is already a Linux for intel |
| 10:26.18 | superlinux-hp | so why should I cross compile?! |
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| 10:29.37 | average | superlinux-hp: try this for starters, compile a C hello-world, throw it on the android and run it |
| 10:29.38 | TJ- | superlinux-hp: if you want to build apt for the target, you'll need to ensure a matching standard library + gcc combo, so if gcc isn't available, you'd need to cross-compile, even if the arch of the Debian system is the same. |
| 10:29.52 | average | superlinux-hp: IOW start small.. |
| 10:30.28 | superlinux-hp | average, oh yes! how simple!! LOL! |
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| 10:31.23 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 10:31.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:31.38 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 10:31.56 | TJ- | superlinux-hp: For android you'd be building for "i686-pc-linux-android" whereas the Debian host would be "i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 10:32.44 | average | TJ-: maybe using µClibc or dietlibc could also help in his case, since if he builds on that, then he's able to run binaries both on his machine, as well as Android ? but maybe it's a bit too primitive approach ? |
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| 10:33.22 | TJ- | average: possibly... the key is whatever the Android x86 relies upon, I'm sure it has it's own toolchain |
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| 10:36.56 | TJ- | superlinux-hp: You can use the Android NDK to do a cross-compile, since the Android SDK includes NDK and prebuilt cross-compiled toolchain |
| 10:37.10 | superlinux-hp | mmm |
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| 10:37.39 | average | TJ-: I just did a quick search and apparently some people are actually suggesting using dietlibc for this http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 10:37.49 | superlinux-hp | well I want to achieve is sqlite3 command with readline support |
| 10:38.25 | average | meh, I think TJ- is right, better use Android's official toolchain for this (easier too) |
| 10:38.48 | average | superlinux-hp: but there's #android too on freenode.. |
| 10:39.03 | SynrGy | the wordier you are, the less impact your statement will have. how about: When you laugh, "lol" and "jejeje" grate on the ears and make you sound like a newb. Emote maturely with "heh" or "hah" (or evilly, with "bwahaha"). |
| 10:39.04 | average | and #android-dev |
| 10:39.09 | SynrGy | ECHAN |
| 10:39.24 | superlinux-hp | I know I know all that guys about #android-dev and #android |
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| 10:39.42 | TJ- | does cross-toolchains for android and others... always take the easiest route :) |
| 10:39.45 | superlinux-hp | but I come to ask about debian stuff like apt-get |
| 10:40.14 | TJ- | superlinux-hp: are you planning on implementing debian package repos for Android apps? That'd be useful :) |
| 10:40.41 | superlinux-hp | well.. |
| 10:40.50 | superlinux-hp | that would be a good Idea |
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| 10:41.43 | superlinux-hp | like if there is a way to make something similar to MacPorts , but for Android, that's nice |
| 10:41.46 | average | will one day run superlinux-hp 's ported synaptic on his phone and install Debian packages :) |
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| 10:43.03 | average | SynrGy: so things like "lawlz" are totally out-of-line ? |
| 10:43.42 | SynrGy | out of line? there are no rules. just social norms. |
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| 10:43.51 | TJ- | I've been considering doing it myself; I've been working on a fully F/OSS build for the HTC One M8 and was thinking of using a proper Debian repo. |
| 10:44.46 | SynrGy | average: "i read debian-project this morning for the lulz." <- perfectly acceptable, imho :) |
| 10:45.00 | SynrGy | (but this is all belongs on #d-ot :) |
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| 10:47.48 | jack008 | hello everyone |
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| 10:48.58 | jack008 | who knows medical channal |
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| 10:50.03 | jack008 | nobody here ? |
| 10:50.03 | abrotman | jack008: #defocus |
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| 10:50.23 | jack008 | defocus shut up me |
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| 10:50.54 | abrotman | jack008: that doesnt make this the right place to ask |
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| 10:51.35 | average | thinks jack008 was refering to bioinformatics .. |
| 10:52.10 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 10:57.07 | petn-randall | How do I create a partition at sector 63 these days? fdisk won't let me, can't find an option to override this in the expert menu. |
| 10:57.18 | jack008_ | hhh |
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| 10:57.39 | jack008_ | use gdiskgui |
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| 11:04.01 | arcsky | hello guys are there any tiny/embeeded debian version for download? |
| 11:04.18 | arcsky | just gonna run ntp and dns on it |
| 11:04.51 | average | arcsky: http://www.emdebian.org/ ? |
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| 11:05.44 | average | arcsky: or maybe this if you're using raspberry pi .. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 11:14.29 | freefall | are recent d-i versions ssd-aware? will they do the right things by default for partition alignment, mount options, enabling TRIM, etc? |
| 11:14.43 | arcsky | emdebian are offical for debian guys? |
| 11:14.49 | arcsky | from/made |
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| 11:15.57 | musca | !emdebian |
| 11:15.58 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:19.02 | petn-randall | freefall: Partition alignment, yes, ever since 4k disk have been around. AFAIK ATA TRIM is not enabled by default, since that causes performance issues with some SSDs. |
| 11:19.16 | omarek | Hi, are the top 4 bars in htop CPU ? They are labeled "1, 2, 3, 4" |
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| 11:19.22 | petn-randall | freefall: And might be a security risk when using LUKS. |
| 11:19.33 | wols_ | omarek: you have a 4 core cpu? |
| 11:19.59 | petn-randall | omarek: Yes. |
| 11:20.16 | freefall | petn-randall: thanks. do you know how sane d-i is with respect to doing an ssd+encrypted install? should things pretty much just work or are there some gotchas? |
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| 11:21.28 | petn-randall | freefall: d-i will unconditionally overwrite the partition with random data before creating a LUKS on top. So if you don't want that, you should create the layout you like with a live system before installing. |
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| 11:22.09 | omarek | wols_: I think it's a 4 *CPU* machine. |
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| 11:22.26 | Psychon4ut | Hi guys, I just created and formated a partition and I am able to mount via the dev path, but the system wont give me a UUID without a restart - Is there any way to get without a restart ? |
| 11:22.33 | freefall | petn-randall: assuming i don't care about the old data, does that overwrite step cause any problems for an ssd? |
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| 11:23.53 | omarek | wols_: cat /proc/cpuinfo https://dpaste.de/bQRx |
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| 11:26.17 | SynrGy | omarek: or dual-processor with hyperthreading |
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| 11:28.11 | SynrGy | omarek: so only 4 *virtual* cores |
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| 11:32.06 | petn-randall | freefall: No, though if you want to use TRIM on LUKS, you'll be writing a lot of data that'll get discarded after that, anyway. And overwriting a large disk might take several hours. |
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| 11:34.17 | freefall | petn-randall: ok. and there's no way to tell d-i to skip that step? not sure if it's better to just let it churn or try to do the partitioning some other way |
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| 11:35.30 | petn-randall | freefall: I did the partitioning with grml, so I could use all the tools I'm already used to. That way, in d-i I just had to point to where the /boot and root partition go. |
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| 11:36.56 | freefall | petn-randall: that sounds like a good approach. but if you set up a luks partition in say grml, is d-i smart enough to use an existing luks partition? |
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| 11:37.14 | petn-randall | freefall: Yes. |
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| 11:37.30 | petn-randall | freefall: If not, just drop to a shell and open it. |
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| 11:37.48 | freefall | petn-randall: ok, maybe i'll try that method then. thanks! |
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| 11:38.07 | freefall | planning on installing jessie |
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| 11:39.16 | petn-randall | freefall: Remember to start with a minimal install of stable, then upgrade. The testing installer is not that stable. |
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| 11:39.46 | freefall | hmm. i thought it was recommended to use the latest alpha d-i for jessie |
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| 11:40.06 | petn-randall | !testing installer |
| 11:40.07 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 11:40.27 | eristisk | I wrote a script that I would like to run in a given directory once, and then when finished, to run once in EVERY subdir recursively (waiting to finish until moving on to the next...) until it ran once in all subdirs as well as the dir I originally ran it in. |
| 11:40.34 | freefall | i usually end up needing a backport d-i image for hardware support, though |
| 11:40.34 | eristisk | What is the best way to do this? bash for loop, or find command, or...? |
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| 11:41.09 | freefall | !d-i backport |
| 11:41.11 | dpkg | backport, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 11:41.27 | linedash | eristisk: find /path/to/stuff -type d -not -name . -exec <somecommand> {} \; |
| 11:41.32 | freefall | !kmuto |
| 11:41.32 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 11:41.40 | linedash | most likely anyway ; depends on what you're doing |
| 11:41.55 | omarek | SynrGy: my dpaste is consistent with Example 4 from this page http://www.richweb.com/cpu_info |
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| 11:42.31 | TJ- | eristisk: "find /path/to/base/dir -type d -execdir <command> \; " |
| 11:42.33 | eristisk | linedash: Okay great, /path/to/stuff is the basedir it will be executed in, plus all of its subdirs? |
| 11:42.34 | omarek | SynrGy: Therefore, the machine has two single-core CPU's, each with HyperThreading enabled. |
| 11:42.48 | linedash | eristisk: that is correct. I suggest running the following |
| 11:42.52 | linedash | eristisk: find /path/to/stuff -type d -not -name . |
| 11:42.57 | linedash | that will give you a list of what paths it will run it against |
| 11:43.10 | linedash | erm |
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| 11:43.13 | linedash | that command is wrong too :D |
| 11:43.19 | eristisk | linedash: But why not -execdir like TJ- suggested? |
| 11:43.51 | linedash | actually its not wrong, I missed that - but anyway, execdir works too |
| 11:43.52 | linedash | Like -exec, but the specified command is run from the subdirectory containing the matched file, which is not normally the directory in which you started find. |
| 11:43.59 | linedash | while we're matching directories here, not folders |
| 11:44.02 | linedash | erm - not file |
| 11:44.04 | linedash | files* |
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| 11:44.11 | linedash | either work anyway |
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| 11:45.12 | freefall | are there d-i backport images available for wheezy anywhere? |
| 11:45.25 | petn-randall | freefall: no, not at the moment. |
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| 11:47.44 | S-Work | I have a server running Debian 6.0.3 squeeze and apt seems to be broken, for example when I try to install mysql-client I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-client : Depends: mysql-client-5.6 but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:47.50 | S-Work | E: Broken packages |
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| 11:49.35 | themill | S-Work: mysql-client-5.6 isn't in squeeze at all |
| 11:49.58 | S-Work | that's what I thought, but why does it even attempt to retrieve 5.6 when I |
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| 11:50.04 | S-Work | merely try to get mysql-client |
| 11:50.08 | themill | (and correspondingly mysql-client in squeeze doesn't depend on it) |
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| 11:50.28 | themill | 3rd party repos like dotdeb would be likely culprits |
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| 11:50.35 | S-Work | I'm using apt-get install mysql-client |
| 11:51.01 | S-Work | ah |
| 11:51.10 | S-Work | damn, that's exactly what's in my sources.list |
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| 12:06.50 | S-Work | themill, I've reverted my sources.list back to the default for squeeze, it now attempts to retrieve an older mysql-client but staill fails |
| 12:06.53 | S-Work | mysql-client : Depends: mysql-client-5.1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:07.05 | S-Work | I've ran an apt-get update |
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| 12:07.26 | S-Work | still says broken packages |
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| 12:09.54 | unop_ | Does anyone know which package to reconfigure (via dpkg-reconfigure) to make new user home directories private? I've done it in the past but can't remember the package name anymore |
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| 12:11.20 | jiohdi | private as in encrypted? |
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| 12:11.26 | bambuka | hi all, someone use Atom editor? |
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| 12:11.51 | PeErLesS | whats the magic command that tells me what process id is running on a specific port? netstat something? |
| 12:11.52 | wols_ | S-Work: just removing the bad repo from the sources.list is not enough. the bad packages you installed frm that repo are still on the system |
| 12:11.57 | wols_ | !tell S-Work about not available |
| 12:11.59 | petern_ | jiohdi, more restrictive that 755, I guess. |
| 12:12.05 | petern_ | *Than |
| 12:12.08 | unop_ | jiohdi, no, just chmod 700 |
| 12:12.08 | wols_ | PeErLesS: netstat -anp as root |
| 12:12.14 | PeErLesS | wols_: ty |
| 12:12.18 | bambuka | netstat -p PeErLesS |
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| 12:12.24 | unop_ | jiohdi, nevermind .. adduser is it .. dpkg-reconfigure -plow adduser |
| 12:12.25 | PeErLesS | bambuka: thanks |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | PeErLesS: fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 12:12.44 | PeErLesS | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:13.50 | S-Work | wols_, wow, that's a lot of packages |
| 12:14.27 | S-Work | I don't even know why the sources.list was modified in the first place.. |
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| 12:14.48 | S-Work | ok, thanks for the help, looks like I have some work to do |
| 12:15.01 | S-Work | you too themill, appreciated |
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| 12:18.52 | PeErLesS | wow |
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| 12:19.20 | wols_ | PeErLesS: netsplit |
| 12:19.25 | PeErLesS | wols_: :D |
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| 12:20.41 | musca | PeErLesS: did you never hear the name splitnode for this network? |
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| 12:21.53 | PeErLesS | musca: splitnode! love it... :D |
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| 12:28.32 | Blackbinary | hi guys |
| 12:29.08 | Blackbinary | why do i still get "OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013" in a new Debian Installation? |
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| 12:30.01 | freefall | check the package version |
| 12:30.11 | freefall | should be 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7 |
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| 12:31.33 | Blackbinary | freefall: it is |
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| 12:31.58 | freefall | so you're fine. that's patched up through current known vulnerabilities |
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| 12:32.05 | abrotman | Blackbinary: /topic |
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| 12:32.38 | Blackbinary | freefall: okay , thy |
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| 12:37.00 | royaflash | exit |
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| 12:49.57 | vladivostok | Hi guys |
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| 12:51.43 | pp20 | test |
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| 12:51.57 | superlinux-hp | ☺ |
| 12:52.34 | pp20 | anyone know how to join a channel from here? wanted to find a crunchbang channel |
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| 12:52.52 | Sark | type /join #channelname |
| 12:52.58 | vladivostok | how to download a file from server via ssh? |
| 12:53.01 | abrotman | pp20: google "irc primer" |
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| 12:53.04 | abrotman | vladivostok: scp |
| 12:53.09 | vladivostok | tried this dont work :/ |
| 12:53.09 | vladivostok | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9427553/how-to-download-a-file-from-server-using-ssh |
| 12:53.18 | abrotman | vladivostok: scp |
| 12:53.24 | abrotman | man scp if you need more information |
| 12:53.25 | pp20 | thanks abrotman and Sark |
| 12:53.27 | vladivostok | scp your_username@remotehost.edu:foobar.txt /some/local/directory |
| 12:53.33 | vladivostok | this one |
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| 12:53.40 | abrotman | if that's what you want, yes |
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| 12:53.50 | vladivostok | where will it get downloaded? |
| 12:53.54 | vladivostok | desktop? |
| 12:53.58 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 12:54.06 | abrotman | vladivostok: man scp .. learn how to use it .. |
| 12:54.07 | vladivostok | sorry totally noob |
| 12:54.12 | vladivostok | :) |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | we can tell :) |
| 12:54.21 | vladivostok | trying to setup openvpn on debian |
| 12:54.22 | vladivostok | :D |
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| 12:54.28 | vladivostok | i got the client configs |
| 12:54.29 | Sark | you can also use sftp, then it works just like ftp - only via ssh |
| 12:54.31 | vladivostok | dono to download :D |
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| 12:54.36 | abrotman | vladivostok: man scp, read the documentation |
| 12:54.41 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:54.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:55.03 | vladivostok | aah |
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| 12:55.11 | vladivostok | gotta read the docu :/ |
| 12:55.47 | stockholm | what is the debian channel on gimpnet? |
| 12:55.56 | vladivostok | scp your_username@1.2.3.4:ovpn-client.tar.gz /my path? |
| 12:56.13 | abrotman | vladivostok: try it and see |
| 12:56.18 | vladivostok | scp your_username@1.2.3.4:ovpn-client.tar.gz /my desktop path |
| 12:56.21 | abrotman | stockholm: not sure there still is one honestly |
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| 12:56.29 | vladivostok | linux is scary stuffs for me |
| 12:56.34 | abrotman | vladivostok: then hire an admin |
| 12:56.43 | stockholm | i have a question regarding how to fix the gnome behaviour change i see on wheezy |
| 12:56.44 | vladivostok | :/ |
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| 12:56.55 | stockholm | can someon here help with that? |
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| 12:57.13 | abrotman | stockholm: #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net perhaps? |
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| 12:57.58 | stockholm | for example it does not show the applications etc when i press the windows key |
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| 12:58.22 | abrotman | stockholm: It did for me when I was using wheezy, but they were on the side IIRC |
| 12:58.32 | abrotman | stockholm: I didn't see it at first either. |
| 12:58.54 | stockholm | abrotman: it used to work, and then (after a reboot) it changed |
| 12:59.08 | abrotman | Ah, okay |
| 12:59.18 | abrotman | would try a new user to see if it's the same. |
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| 13:01.08 | stockholm | abrotman: it said something about "fallback mode" or so, i dont recall the correct term |
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| 13:01.29 | stockholm | abrotman: i hope someone with a gnome clue will know |
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| 13:03.16 | stockholm | well, #debian-gnome on oftc seems empty |
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| 13:07.28 | freefall | any thoughts on the viability of going completely btrfs with a new install? |
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| 13:08.02 | petn-randall | freefall: In short: Don't. It's not production-ready. |
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| 13:08.17 | petn-randall | freefall: If you do, make sure to do regular backups. |
| 13:08.38 | freefall | yeah, it seems the tools in particular haven't been rounded out yet |
| 13:08.52 | freefall | last time i checked things like fsck were still very questionable |
| 13:09.09 | freefall | guess it'll just be ext4 for now then |
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| 13:11.38 | asdaa | i cant display åäö in my terminal i use bash and aterm what is the problem? |
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| 13:11.48 | inahd | hey guys... |
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| 13:12.52 | inahd | wow so this is the first time i've used gnome in a while... its set up all funny now! |
| 13:13.22 | petern_ | Basically treat it as a completely different environment ;p |
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| 13:14.49 | inahd | i am trying to get playonlinux working, its telling me i need the 32bit opengl libraries... |
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| 13:18.07 | themill | dpkg: tell happytux about cross-post |
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| 13:20.31 | happytux | themill: uh uh, they got me :) |
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| 13:55.42 | Shtl | when i attach my usb stick, it is creating only its node as /dev/sdb but not accessible or mounting, can any one help me plz??? |
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| 13:56.27 | Sark | So, no partitions on the stick are detected? |
| 13:56.37 | Shtl | no |
| 13:56.38 | Sark | Like, if you do an fdisk -l /dev/sdb, what do you get? |
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| 13:57.01 | Sark | What format was the stick supposed to be in? |
| 13:57.07 | Shtl | Sark: it shows nothing |
| 13:57.27 | Shtl | fat32 |
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| 13:58.15 | Sark | But fdisk -l sees the disk itself, and the size shows up correctly? |
| 13:58.16 | Shtl | Sark: but df /dev/sdb shows "udev 1460392 8 1460384 1% /dev" |
| 13:58.49 | Shtl | fdisk is not showing anything |
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| 13:59.43 | Sark | So, it's like the flash drive isn't even being detected. Unplug it, wait a bit, then plug it back in, and watch dmesg |
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| 14:00.13 | Sark | Even if you've got a disk with no filesystem, fdisk should still show you how big it is. |
| 14:00.39 | Shtl | Sark: dmesg detects its attached or disconnected clearely |
| 14:00.54 | ChrisH | Shtl: please run blkid, df -h ; dmesg and show us the output on paste.debian.net |
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| 14:03.47 | Shtl | ChrisH: Sark : http://paste.debian.net/98233/ |
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| 14:04.33 | Sark | Yeah, the flash drive is not being detected properly. |
| 14:04.36 | Sark | It's probably just dead. |
| 14:04.56 | Sark | It should report capacity |
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| 14:05.49 | Shtl | Sark: no way to fix it? |
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| 14:06.22 | Sark | Just to be sure, I'd try it on another computer, but it's probably something wrong with the flash drive itself. They don't last forever. |
| 14:06.46 | Sark | I've fixed a couple of them, usually it's the clock crystal that fails. But when that happens, the computer won't even recognize anything has been connected at all. |
| 14:07.07 | Shtl | But its creating the node.... |
| 14:07.17 | Sark | You can also try dding /dev/sdb to a file (dd if=/dev/sdb of=testfile) and see if you can even read anything from it. |
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| 14:07.36 | Shtl | Sark: ok |
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| 14:08.05 | Sark | Yeah, so, it's recognizing the storage controller in the flash drive. But the flash ROM itself isn't working. I'll bet when you try to dd it, you'll get an immediate I/O error, or very little data out of it. |
| 14:08.29 | Shtl | Sark: dd: failed to open ‘/dev/sdb’: No medium found |
| 14:08.33 | Sark | yeah |
| 14:08.38 | ChrisH | Shtl: you did not what I asked for. but a) blkid does not detect anything, so there is no filesystem on the stick. b) what does that ubuntu@ubuntu mean? What Debian Release are you running? |
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| 14:09.01 | Sark | Try it on another computer, and if that doesn't work, buy another flash drive. They're really cheap. |
| 14:09.09 | Shtl | my os is ubuntu |
| 14:09.22 | ChrisH | !ubuntu |
| 14:09.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 14:09.28 | Shtl | but it does not matter i guess |
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| 14:09.47 | Shtl | join #ubuntu |
| 14:10.47 | Sark | If it still won't work elsewhere, and you've got nothing to lose, you can take the flash drive apart - sometimes the flash ROM just gets cracked solder joints, and you can fix it. |
| 14:11.05 | Sark | the oscillator and the controller are obviously working, if it detects the disk at all. |
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| 14:11.43 | Shtl | ok ok |
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| 14:13.00 | Shtl | Sark: how to remove write protection of usb stick, i hav one more of 8GB, but cant format or delete anything... |
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| 14:13.43 | Sark | And it's not one that has hardware write protect, like with a little switch? |
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| 14:13.46 | Sark | Is it NTFS formatted? |
| 14:14.02 | Shtl | Sark: And there is no any switch on the stick |
| 14:14.17 | Shtl | yes its ntfs |
| 14:14.32 | Sark | Ah - make sure you have NTFS write support enabled. |
| 14:14.37 | Sark | dmesg should tell you. |
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| 14:14.47 | Sark | when you plug the drive in. |
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| 14:16.18 | Shtl | Sark: http://paste.debian.net/98247/ |
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| 14:17.08 | Sark | that's weird. Heh. Does this drive work on another computer? You're getting errors. |
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| 14:18.14 | inahd | so i guess there is a geforce gt 460 specific package for 32bit opengl libraries? trying to get playonlinux working |
| 14:18.18 | Shtl | i hav no another computer, but when i attach to windows 7, it detects, opens also, but no formatting |
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| 14:18.22 | Sark | I mean, sometimes some setups won't write to NTFS, especially if the filesystem is marked as dirty from Windows. I'm not sure what the current status of NTFS write support is - I don't have any need for an NTFS volume |
| 14:18.38 | str3 | does wheezy-backports get security updates as timely as wheezy main? |
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| 14:19.01 | SynrGy | on a best-effort basis |
| 14:19.04 | Sark | If you're just trying to erase the flash drive and reformat, you can use fdisk to blow away the partition, create a new partition, and format it as ext or something. |
| 14:19.30 | Sark | if THAT can't write to it, then, again, you've got a messed up flash drive. |
| 14:19.37 | str3 | SynrG: me_ |
| 14:19.38 | str3 | ? |
| 14:19.44 | SynrGy | str3: in theory, it could. in practice, i haven't measured. |
| 14:19.50 | str3 | ok |
| 14:19.59 | SynrGy | str3: and the official story is "we do it on a best-effort basis" |
| 14:20.03 | str3 | right |
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| 14:20.11 | Sark | Flash drives do not last foerver, and are not to be considered reliable storage... Especially if you buy cheap ones or run them through the wash. heh. |
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| 14:20.35 | Shtl | Sark: i tried with gparted all options but no use |
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| 14:20.54 | Sark | That one is giving you mode sense errors on dmesg - that's not good. Again, indicates a problem with the hardware of the drive. |
| 14:21.17 | str3 | SynrG: sounds like sid could be safer than wheezy with backports in between |
| 14:21.32 | Sark | watch dmesg the whole time when you plug it in, and then check it again as you try to write to the disk/partition, etc. I'll bet you get more errors. |
| 14:21.49 | SynrGy | str3: well, aside from direct exposure to day-wrecking bugs :( |
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| 14:22.05 | SynrGy | str3: not sure i call that "safe" |
| 14:22.12 | SynrGy | (but that's a different kind of safe :) |
| 14:22.16 | str3 | SynrG: indeed |
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| 14:24.43 | bitonic | if I try to use `lpstat', I get `lpstat: No such file or directory', whatever the flag is |
| 14:24.58 | totte | If I run "sudo ethtool -G eth0 rx 4096", do I need to reboot to make it live? |
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| 14:25.07 | bitonic | stracing it shows that it's trying to read "/usr/share/cups/locale/en_GB/cups_en_GB.po" and then other locales that are indeed not present |
| 14:25.12 | bitonic | they don't seem to be provided by any package |
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| 14:32.16 | jelly | totte: no, that looks like a runtime change |
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| 14:33.31 | bodeezl | how do you undo an apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:34.11 | jelly | totte: er, disregard that, I may be wrong. |
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| 14:34.34 | totte | jelly: Okey. |
| 14:35.09 | ChrisH | bitonic: did you some change to your locale setting a while ago? try: LC_ALL=C lpstat -r |
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| 14:36.30 | Ahendis | Hi ! |
| 14:36.34 | Ahendis | Someone can help me ? ;) |
| 14:36.40 | linedash | !dpkg ask |
| 14:36.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:36.45 | Ahendis | With a server apache / mysql / php |
| 14:36.53 | linedash | read ^^ |
| 14:36.56 | Ahendis | i've a "big" time with "wainting"... |
| 14:37.00 | Ahendis | (5 / 7 second) |
| 14:37.06 | Ahendis | waiting sorry |
| 14:37.12 | bhuddah | !enter |
| 14:37.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:37.12 | linedash | please form your question; then ask it - don't just trickle feed us information |
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| 14:37.46 | Ahendis | I've a very long loading time on my website |
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| 14:37.55 | linedash | And this relates to debian, how? |
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| 14:38.13 | linedash | Atm I'm about to point you to #apache or #php or your applications specific channel |
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| 14:38.28 | Ahendis | I did not have this problem on my previous server |
| 14:38.31 | doebi | my root partition is running out of diskspace, how can i increase its size? |
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| 14:38.43 | linedash | You likely had a different configuration on your previous server. |
| 14:38.45 | bitonic | ChrisH: thanks, that seems to work... but I now get "Scheduler not running" |
| 14:38.59 | ChrisH | bitonic: then start it |
| 14:39.09 | linedash | Whatever application your site runs, go talk to whoever makes it and find out what should be done to optimise for it |
| 14:39.18 | bitonic | ChrisH: ah no, sorry, still doesn't work, without `-r'. |
| 14:39.20 | Ahendis | linedash: ?! How do i know if it comes from php, apache, mysql, debian... i have to go on 4 or 5 channels ? |
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| 14:39.38 | linedash | Ahendis: do some research? What process is using all the resources |
| 14:39.43 | linedash | Either way; it's not a debian question. |
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| 14:40.35 | bitonic | ChrisH: how do I do that? |
| 14:41.01 | Ahendis | linedash > You're wrong. I don't know exactly how to monitor process & resources on débian. Now, il's debian question :) |
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| 14:41.16 | ChrisH | bitonic: can you explain a bit more verbose why you run lpstat without options, I did this today the first time. How is your printing configured? Do you have a dedicated printer server or .. ? |
| 14:41.16 | linedash | Ahendis: man top |
| 14:41.34 | ChrisH | Ahendis: man atop |
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| 14:41.52 | Ahendis | ok ;) |
| 14:42.00 | Ahendis | Thank you. |
| 14:42.13 | linedash | ChrisH: atop ftw <3 |
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| 14:43.34 | antithesis | Why can't I mix Debian stable with testing? Why can't I have multiple versions of a library alongside each other? |
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| 14:43.55 | bitonic | ChrisH: well the original problem is that I can't seem to find the network printer |
| 14:44.11 | bitonic | ChrisH: so I was trying to have lpstat list the printers with `lpstat -p' and I get that |
| 14:44.24 | bitonic | it probably doesn't matter since the cups admin page works |
| 14:44.42 | ChrisH | bitonic: OK, you are trying to use cups. |
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| 14:45.31 | bitonic | ChrisH: I'm trying to have cups discover these printers |
| 14:45.37 | ChrisH | bitonic: does dpkg -S /usr/bin/lpstat return cups-client: /usr/bin/lpstat |
| 14:45.43 | bitonic | but then I got curious on why lpstat doesn't work |
| 14:45.54 | bitonic | ChrisH: yep. |
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| 14:47.10 | bitonic | ChrisH: these are the interesting strace lines <http://paste.debian.net/98260/> |
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| 14:48.19 | bitonic | I'd also like to know what cups is doing when trying to discover printers |
| 14:48.36 | bitonic | for example I'd like to know if it's picking up my server in `client.conf' |
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| 14:50.28 | ChrisH | bitonic: if you have a broadcasting cupsd your client will pick them up, but not put them into client.conf |
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| 14:52.02 | Ahendis | linedash: problem with data (www-data) with apache. I must go to #apache ? ;) |
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| 14:52.33 | linedash | Ahendis: it could equally be php related |
| 14:52.39 | linedash | Ahendis: what app are you running? |
| 14:52.48 | Ahendis | apache2 php5 mysql |
| 14:53.13 | linedash | Ahendis: no, the web application itself |
| 14:53.16 | linedash | joomla, wordpress, something else |
| 14:53.34 | Ahendis | Wordpress |
| 14:53.39 | linedash | install wp-supercache |
| 14:53.42 | linedash | and your problems will prob go away |
| 14:53.58 | linedash | also learn to use the server-status page to identify what pages are being hammered |
| 14:54.04 | linedash | and tailing your apache logs |
| 14:54.45 | Ahendis | linedash: i'm on a dedicated server (at 60$ par month) |
| 14:55.02 | linedash | Ahendis: Congratulations; that has no bearing on anything I just told you. |
| 14:55.03 | Ahendis | I cloned the website on a small server (mutualised, 2 |
| 14:55.09 | Ahendis | $ par month. |
| 14:55.16 | Ahendis | Please listen.. |
| 14:55.31 | Ahendis | And on the small server clone, it works perfectly |
| 14:55.39 | Ahendis | same issue with 2 other server |
| 14:55.54 | linedash | and you almost certainly haven't configured the system properly in one way or another |
| 14:56.00 | linedash | I'm willing to bet you've not even checked your error logs |
| 14:56.02 | Ahendis | yes |
| 14:56.15 | linedash | Now stop wasting our time and go talk in the right channel and do the basics yourself :P |
| 14:56.20 | linedash | this is not a debian question |
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| 14:56.32 | Ahendis | I just wanted to say you that the CMS is not in question |
| 14:56.41 | linedash | Yes; yes it is. |
| 14:56.48 | linedash | As someone who works in hosting - Wordpress is almost *always* the problem. |
| 14:56.51 | Ahendis | your propose to me to install supercache... |
| 14:57.07 | Ahendis | You're bounded :) |
| 14:57.12 | bitonic | ChrisH: OK I fixed the problem, it was a typo in the client.conf... and I had misunderstood what ServerName in client.conf did |
| 14:57.15 | bitonic | anyway, problem solved |
| 14:57.16 | linedash | Okay; I'm not gonna argue here, Ahendis. My advice to you has and will be, install supercache and check your logs |
| 14:57.28 | linedash | if supercache doesn't fix your problem, I'll be very surprised. |
| 14:57.31 | bitonic | ChrisH: now lpstat works, but that is one horrible error message |
| 14:57.35 | Ahendis | The SAME website works perfectly on other place... How can you say WP is the problem ? |
| 14:57.37 | linedash | now; I've work to do - I'm out *gone* |
| 14:57.54 | Ahendis | linedash: i've supercache, YET |
| 14:58.43 | Ahendis | and i've tested W3 Total Cache |
| 14:58.47 | Ahendis | It doesn't work. |
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| 15:01.29 | ChrisH | bitonic: I assume you did change your locale and did not recreate these files |
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| 15:02.07 | bitonic | ChrisH: I didn't change my locale recently, but how shall I recreate those files? |
| 15:02.17 | bitonic | the other files in that directory tree belong to `cups-common' |
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| 15:03.43 | bitonic | `dpkg-reconfigure locales' didn't fix that |
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| 15:04.24 | ChrisH | bitonic: egrep -v -e "^#" /etc/locale.gen ; does that show en_GB |
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| 15:04.40 | bitonic | yep |
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| 15:06.35 | jelly | also, malware! |
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| 15:15.39 | ChrisH | bitonic: was that installation working once? Would apt-get remove --purge cups an option? |
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| 15:18.10 | bitonic | ChrisH: I tried but `cups' doesn't seem to affect those files |
| 15:18.21 | bitonic | I'd have to rip cups-common and that takes out too much stuff it seems... whatever |
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| 15:23.53 | wols_ | bitonic: you could purge the package with dpkg and then reinstall it with dpkg |
| 15:24.30 | wols_ | dpkg can break package dependencies if you force it, and will not remove the packages you want to keep. apt will always remove the depencenies |
| 15:24.30 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, wols_ |
| 15:24.39 | wols_ | dpkg: shaddup |
| 15:24.40 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
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| 15:27.48 | buu | So, anyone happen to know how to get osx to display filenames with a questionmark in them exported via samba from a debian machine? |
| 15:28.14 | cardiel | i accidentally changed fs type on a partition.. now i have changed back to ext3, but i dont know howto restore it.. someone knows? |
| 15:28.24 | wols_ | buu: codepage issue? what letters are the ? on the debian machine? |
| 15:28.46 | wols_ | cardiel: where exactly did you change it? partition table? |
| 15:28.50 | ChrisH | cardiel: how did you "changed fs type on a partition" ? fdisk? |
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| 15:29.30 | cardiel | in lvm manager, i added the partition to a pv |
| 15:29.47 | cardiel | im running fsck now.. maybe it's enough? |
| 15:29.54 | cardiel | i've changed it back to ext3 |
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| 15:30.18 | buu | wols_: 077 |
| 15:30.21 | buu | wols_: According to od |
| 15:31.18 | wols_ | buu: the actual letter which shows up as ?, it can't be 077 cause that is no letter |
| 15:31.34 | wols_ | look at the filename with ? in OSX and look at the same file in a debian shell |
| 15:31.36 | buu | wols_: Er, its the actual letter ? |
| 15:31.48 | wols_ | 077 is a number, not a letter |
| 15:31.57 | wols_ | if you are generous you can name it a string, but never ever a letter |
| 15:32.01 | buu | Yes? Its the octal representation of that character |
| 15:32.14 | buu | That's what od does |
| 15:32.27 | wols_ | different numbers have different representations as letters, which is why we have codepages. so what letter is it? |
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| 15:33.16 | jelly | ö |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | echo -e '\077' |
| 15:33.48 | buu | wols_: '?' |
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| 15:34.02 | wols_ | buu: so debian and OSX both show you the filename with "?"? really? |
| 15:34.10 | jelly | or a bashism, echo $'\077' |
| 15:34.32 | wols_ | I suggest you use the same codepage with your debian and your OSX mount options. probably utf-8 ideally |
| 15:34.48 | wols_ | with your samba on debian that is |
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| 15:35.27 | buu | mount takes a codepage?! |
| 15:35.37 | doebi | my root partition is only 9.1GB big and 8GB are already used. anytime i do updates i get a low diskspace warning. i might increase the partition size. but how to do that on an encrypted LVM? |
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| 15:36.09 | wols_ | buu: yes it does |
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| 15:37.43 | buu | wols_: What's the option name? |
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| 15:38.26 | wols_ | "man mount" "/codepage" and you will see |
| 15:39.06 | wols_ | and of course there is the old mainstay of "https://www.google.com/search?q=samba+mount+codepage" |
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| 15:40.24 | buu | Shockingly the apple mount does not have that option. |
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| 15:41.22 | wols_ | not really a problem #debian can help with there |
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| 15:41.54 | buu | Which is why I asked if you happened to know the answer |
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| 15:43.15 | wols_ | buu: then you should ask in the proper channel |
| 15:43.31 | buu | This channel is just as proper as the other |
| 15:44.09 | wols_ | do you ask for the options of a debian program or a OSX one? |
| 15:45.23 | buu | I don't know which end the problem lives on so I ask both ends |
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