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| 01:00.26 | hitch_ | hello everyone, I'm fairly new to debian. I keep having this problem where the system tells root and other users that it doesn't know where anything in my paths are. I am in in dire need of help. |
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| 01:02.09 | bato | did you check if your bashrc (or whatever shell you're using) is overwriting your $PATH ? |
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| 01:02.29 | themill | hitch_: it might be useful to put the real command and full output in a pastebin |
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| 01:03.04 | hitch_ | I've tried using full paths to known commands, and still it reports the same |
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| 01:03.17 | bato | give us an example |
| 01:03.21 | bato | humour us. |
| 01:03.26 | hitch_ | aight |
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| 01:04.15 | hitch_ | root@debLG51:/home/hitchcme/Documents/git/gcc4ti/trunk/tigcc-linux/scripts# uname |
| 01:04.16 | hitch_ | -su: /bin/uname: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.16 | hitch_ | root@debLG51:/home/hitchcme/Documents/git/gcc4ti/trunk/tigcc-linux/scripts# mount |
| 01:04.17 | hitch_ | -su: /bin/mount: No such file or directory |
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| 01:05.00 | hitch_ | oh, sorry about that. |
| 01:05.15 | dvs | !lart hitch_ |
| 01:05.16 | dpkg | stuffs hitch_ into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 01:06.22 | themill | hitch_: have you been fiddling with libc6 recently? |
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| 01:06.59 | hitch_ | possibly, during an install of tigcclib |
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| 01:09.10 | themill | hitch_: what does "echo /lib/*/libc-* /lib/*/libc6* /lib/*/ld*" output? |
| 01:10.08 | themill | hitch_: also, which release of debian is this? |
| 01:10.54 | hitch_ | the "echo /lib/*/libc-* /lib/*/libc6* /lib/*/ld*" outputs exactly as typed |
| 01:11.40 | hitch_ | I'm running a recent stable ppc |
| 01:11.52 | hitch_ | wheezie? |
| 01:12.27 | themill | echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6* |
| 01:13.05 | hitch_ | debian 7 |
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| 01:15.13 | hitch_ | "/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6-dev:powerpc.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6-dev:powerpc.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.conffiles /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.shlibs /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:pow |
| 01:15.14 | hitch_ | erpc.symbols /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:powerpc.templates" |
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| 01:16.06 | themill | that looks more like squeeze than sit to me |
| 01:16.13 | themill | *that wheezy |
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| 01:16.44 | hitch_ | I got it out of a directory entitled "wheezy" |
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| 01:17.11 | hitch_ | what are squeeze and sit? |
| 01:17.13 | themill | which directory? |
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| 01:18.18 | hitch_ | hold on a sec |
| 01:18.28 | themill | hitch_: that doesn't look like a wheezy installation -- or if it is, it's horribly outdated by at least two years. It looks like an older release (squeeze perhaps). |
| 01:18.50 | hitch_ | hmmmm |
| 01:18.53 | themill | hitch_: is this a valuable machine? Is it worth spending an hour or two reviving it? Or can you just reinstall? |
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| 01:19.40 | themill | oh... I can't read. Yes. I can believe it's wheezy. Sorry... clearly need more coffee. |
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| 01:20.13 | hitch_ | it's valuable in that it runs my DHCP, bind, squid, and just does other stuff that OSX Win don't want to. |
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| 01:20.54 | hitch_ | let me find the netboot directory from where I got it. |
| 01:22.11 | hitch_ | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc64/netboot/ |
| 01:22.39 | somiaj | hitch_: I find the netinstaller a bit nicer to use than netboot (but I like having a full base system on my install media) (: |
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| 01:26.08 | dontknow | where is the appropriate place to auto mount a partition? /media or /mnt? |
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| 01:26.37 | hitch_ | the funny thing is that all network services seem to be functional. I'm chatting, watching netflix, and researching a fix. If I reboot, the system won't complete the boot, and tell me restarting in 120s |
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| 01:29.17 | hitch_ | If I log out of my ssh session, I can't log back in "Permission Denied, please try again". Logging in locally via GUI, does basically the same thing. |
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| 01:30.45 | somiaj | dontknow: standard is /media/foo where foo is some identification (so you can have multiple things there) |
| 01:30.55 | somiaj | hitch_: what did you do to cause this problem in the first place? |
| 01:31.29 | hitch_ | I was compiling and installing TIGCCLib |
| 01:31.38 | dontknow | somiaj, ok thanks |
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| 01:33.31 | somiaj | hitch_: so you probabaly overwrote some of the libc6 stuff with tigcclib?, I'd say next time you play with that use a chroot, (: |
| 01:33.41 | somiaj | hitch_: anyways did you decided if you wanted to reinstall or try to recover? |
| 01:34.29 | hitch_ | I've been reinstalling for days. I'd like to try and recover, if anybody has any ideas. |
| 01:35.42 | somiaj | hitch_: you can boot up off a livecd or recovery cd and try to manually extract the libc6 deb (and what other core libaries) on your system. |
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| 01:36.08 | somiaj | hitch_: then once you get the basic libc6 stuff working, go over the scripts of the thing you installed and look for any artificats it left around. |
| 01:36.37 | somiaj | hitch_: I would suggest using a livecd/recovery medium if you have one. |
| 01:36.38 | Berra | On Debian 3.2.57-3. Trying to install mysql-server and mysql-client. Don't get why it won't install correctly. Same error everytime: http://sprunge.us/jMXW |
| 01:36.46 | hitch_ | Is there a live cd that works with ppc? |
| 01:37.05 | somiaj | hitch_: do you need non-free firmware for internet access? |
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| 01:37.43 | hitch_ | somiaj: I'm not sure. |
| 01:38.22 | somiaj | Berra: would you care to give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache mysql-common' at paste.debian.net |
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| 01:39.50 | somiaj | hitch_: might have to use the unoffical firwmare netinstall image, I didn't see a live image for ppc |
| 01:39.54 | somiaj | !tell hitch_ about firmware images |
| 01:40.16 | Berra | somiaj: Here you go. Thanks. http://sprunge.us/GOCO |
| 01:40.38 | flazz | is there a better way to package many files that reside in a single dir than having entries for each file in debian/$MYPKG.install ? |
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| 01:41.34 | somiaj | Berra: that unnofical mariadb is causing the problem, packages are mixing between the two repos, causing mismatches and making the install error out. |
| 01:41.57 | Berra | Is there an easy fix? |
| 01:42.08 | somiaj | flazz: I don't know, but packaging questions are usually answered in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:42.17 | somiaj | Berra: what is that unoffical repo and why do you want it? |
| 01:42.20 | flazz | somiaj: thanks, i'll check there |
| 01:42.41 | Berra | I didn't even know about it. Should I just remove it then? |
| 01:43.02 | somiaj | Berra: if you don't see it in /etc/apt/sources.list, look for a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 01:43.12 | somiaj | Berra: remove (or comment it out (Safer)) and run apt-get update |
| 01:43.15 | flazz | somiaj: #debian-mentors is invite only |
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| 01:43.56 | somiaj | flazz: notice I said on irc.oftc.net (offical debian network). We are on freenode |
| 01:44.06 | flazz | thanks, sorry |
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| 01:44.44 | Berra | I'll purge what I have from mariadb and try again. Thanks somiaj |
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| 01:45.05 | somiaj | !tell Berra about not available |
| 01:45.27 | somiaj | Berra: after you remove the sources and run apt-get update that aptitude command will list all packages that are not from the current wheezy sources you have |
| 01:46.12 | Berra | Ha, that was lovely |
| 01:47.01 | somiaj | hitch_: but I htink you might be able to recover from the unoffical netinstall cd (I suggest the one with firmware so you can get network access if you need ti, but not nessacary) |
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| 01:48.38 | hitch_ | is it ppc, where is it? |
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| 01:49.39 | okee | Is there a bundled program that comes with Debian stable for converting .docx to pdf? |
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| 01:50.50 | thieh | okee: I was assuming you either want batch conversion or openoffice/libreoffice doesnt work? |
| 01:51.07 | okee | never mind. I was just about to say I found an export feature in Libreoffice. Thanks for responding. |
| 01:51.15 | okee | Thieh> Thanks. |
| 01:51.21 | thieh | okee: np |
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| 01:54.41 | Berra | Gah, I still get the same error. |
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| 01:56.25 | Berra | http://sprunge.us/EhIT Makes no sense to me |
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| 01:58.17 | jordila | Dear #debian community, in my debian web server... is it preferrable to install de Apache 'public folder' in the system disk (as per default) or in a folder on separate disk/partition ? Are there any related security and or performance aspects to be taken in account in the choosing ? thanks for your attention |
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| 01:59.12 | Berra | " subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" What can I do? |
| 02:00.29 | somiaj | Berra: output of apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5 && apt-cache policy mysql-common |
| 02:00.49 | somiaj | hitch_: on the mirrors, ddi you get the link dpk sent you |
| 02:01.24 | Berra | somiaj: http://sprunge.us/BFLK |
| 02:01.29 | hitch_ | no I didn't. |
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| 02:02.25 | hitch_ | oh I see it now |
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| 02:02.59 | somiaj | Berra: If are sure you want to downgrade to 5.5, remove the file /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag and try installing again. |
| 02:03.28 | Berra | I don't care about downgrading. Is 5.5 downgrading? |
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| 02:03.43 | somiaj | Berra: reading the error message more carefuly it seems you have some strange v10 (I think from that miaradb v10 repo, what ever it was). Anyways there is a file sitting around that the install scripts don't like. The error messages says if you are sure you want to do this, remove that |
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| 02:04.06 | somiaj | Berra: I have not heard of mysql 10, I think that repo installed and left some strange stuff on your machine (it was the only other place I saw a v10 ) |
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| 02:04.16 | somiaj | hitch_: good (: |
| 02:04.56 | Berra | Okay, but I don't want to downgrade to 5.5 if there's a newer version. What should I do? Still remove the flag? |
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| 02:06.02 | hitch_ | aight! Downloading!!! Thanks! |
| 02:06.17 | somiaj | Berra: I have never seen mysql v10, I have no clue what that even means, again the only thing I can think of is that strange repo you had on your system. An dyou don't even know what it is |
| 02:06.22 | somiaj | Berra: I would remove it |
| 02:06.39 | Berra | I did comment out that repo |
| 02:06.57 | somiaj | Berra: but there was some artifiacts there, okay figured out what the repo was |
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| 02:07.26 | somiaj | Berra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MariaDB -- it is a mysql fork that is calling itself version 10, I'd just stick with the mysql from wheezy (you'll get better security I'm sure) so yes remove that file and downgrade to mysql/wheezy |
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| 02:10.04 | Berra | apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client ...... same error again |
| 02:10.07 | somiaj | Berra: being a fork they share some of the same code, you may want to back up any databases you had from mariaDB and the likes to give debian an empty place to configure it |
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| 02:10.46 | somiaj | Berra: it is probabaly a different reason, what is it this time. |
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| 02:11.52 | Berra | http://sprunge.us/aOBi |
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| 02:13.00 | somiaj | Berra: did you remove the files (or I would say back them up) it suggested |
| 02:13.20 | somiaj | Berra: mv /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag $HOME |
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| 02:13.53 | FoShizz | Can somebody tell me how to implement this: https://github.com/berenm/anyterm? |
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| 02:15.38 | Berra | Okay, so I moved /var/lib/mysql and deleted /ect/mysql. Anything else? |
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| 02:17.29 | somiaj | Berra: I can't think of anything else, dpkg -l | grep mysql (you may want to apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common and any other mysql packages to make sure the appropiate stuff gets put back into /var/lib |
| 02:17.40 | somiaj | actually wait, you need more than that, you moved files, dpkg will notice thiss |
| 02:17.44 | somiaj | !tell Berra about confmiss |
| 02:18.21 | somiaj | you might also want to include that force-confmiss option (see the factiod) in all your apt-get commands so we force dpkg to give us the original configs back |
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| 02:20.17 | Berra | Yay, it appears to work : D |
| 02:20.22 | Berra | Thanks a bunch |
| 02:20.58 | Berra | So should there be any problems just mv'ing my backed up var/lib/mysql/databasename again? |
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| 02:22.14 | somiaj | Berra: you may have to configure mysql to know there is a database there, I'd make a backup. I'm not that familar on how to recover a database directory on mysql, maybe google that |
| 02:22.58 | Berra | Alright, I'll figure it out. I have the files anyway. There are very few entries I actually need, the rest I have *.sql scripts for |
| 02:23.13 | Berra | Thanks a lot somiaj! |
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| 02:26.57 | somiaj | Berra: glad it works, (: |
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| 03:08.01 | Sway | libc6 is the devil |
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| 03:08.23 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:08.56 | Sway | Just spent the past 30 minutes fixing one of my half-asleep derps :p |
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| 03:21.44 | lns | Sway, lol....derp |
| 03:21.52 | Sway | :P |
| 03:22.10 | lns | What was the derp? |
| 03:23.08 | Sway | Installed libc6 unstable/testing and it broke lots of things, from there, things broke more things, etc.. |
| 03:23.10 | Sway | somehow.. |
| 03:23.14 | Sway | \o/ |
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| 03:29.21 | ^v | trying to reinstall grub onto MBR |
| 03:29.46 | ^v | netinstall disk doesnt have grub-install when i go into shell |
| 03:30.25 | somiaj | ^v: chroot into your actual install |
| 03:30.32 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 03:30.32 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 03:32.38 | ^v | Alt-F2 doesnt switch me to a console |
| 03:33.03 | lsjun | ctrl alt f2 |
| 03:33.13 | ^v | oh, need to go into menu first dont i |
| 03:33.15 | somiaj | how did you boot the netinstall, did you boot into the rescue mode? |
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| 03:33.22 | somiaj | I htink you have to boot the installer, but yes |
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| 03:34.23 | ^v | ctrl-alt-f2 just creates glitch lines on top |
| 03:34.37 | ^v | this is netinstall on a flash drive |
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| 03:36.10 | ^v | ah, got a console |
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| 03:36.31 | somiaj | ^v: how did you put it on the flash drive? That is strange, were there is an option in the installer menu to drop to a shell, you can try that |
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| 03:37.38 | ^v | mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /target failed: No such device |
| 03:38.00 | ^v | perhaps i need to load components first |
| 03:39.30 | lsjun | ls /dev/sd* to see whether you have a sda2 |
| 03:40.00 | roboman2444 | uuhhhhgg |
| 03:40.10 | ^v | /dev/sda /dev/sda1 dev/sda2 |
| 03:40.12 | roboman2444 | i've been holding out on an apt-get dist-upgrade because it has systemd in it |
| 03:40.29 | ^v | fdisk -l shows it exists |
| 03:40.30 | roboman2444 | is there anyway i can just update the packages that need updating, without installing any new packages? |
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| 03:41.11 | ^v | roboman2444, changing dists always requires new packages |
| 03:41.23 | roboman2444 | is there anyway i can just update the packages that need updating, without installing any new packages? |
| 03:41.37 | roboman2444 | (not apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 03:41.58 | roboman2444 | and yes, im the newset apt-get upgrade will get me |
| 03:42.05 | ^v | what are you trying to update? |
| 03:42.15 | roboman2444 | a lot of stuff |
| 03:42.24 | ^v | then expect new packages |
| 03:42.31 | lsjun | to ^v do you have a /target? |
| 03:42.34 | roboman2444 | yeah, but i reallly dont want systemd |
| 03:42.36 | ^v | lsjun, yes |
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| 03:43.09 | ^v | roboman2444, upgrading = more dependancies = more things you have to install |
| 03:43.22 | ^v | mostly |
| 03:43.23 | roboman2444 | yes, but... |
| 03:43.37 | roboman2444 | can i get the most out of dist-upgrade, without having to do systemd? |
| 03:45.20 | ebfull | roboman2444: this is _probably_ bad advice because you should just deal with systemd |
| 03:45.27 | roboman2444 | yeah likely |
| 03:45.28 | ebfull | but i think you could do apt-get hold systemd |
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| 03:45.51 | ebfull | i mean apt-mark hold systemd |
| 03:46.19 | roboman2444 | nah, that didnt do it |
| 03:46.22 | ebfull | aww |
| 03:46.28 | roboman2444 | still marked for install if apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.40 | ^v | lsjun, mount /dev/sda2 gives me mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab |
| 03:46.53 | ^v | even though it clearly exists :/ dont know why it isnt in fstab |
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| 03:47.53 | Sway | ^v: paste your /etc/fstab ? |
| 03:48.07 | ^v | netcat time |
| 03:48.10 | ^v | \o/ |
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| 03:51.51 | Konomi | does anyone know a way to disable logging for certain cron jobs to the syslog? |
| 03:51.56 | Konomi | 10 minute ones get very spammy |
| 03:52.52 | ^v | Sway, http://hastebin.com/obinimipip.txt |
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| 04:03.10 | wols | Konomi: add > /dev/null 2>&1 at the end of the cronjob |
| 04:03.24 | wols | but that will mean it never notifies you when it errors either |
| 04:03.29 | Konomi | wols: that easy seriosuly? |
| 04:03.57 | ^v | Konomi, look up pipin |
| 04:03.57 | Konomi | so whatever stdout/stderr a process started by cron is it gets saved to syslogs? |
| 04:04.00 | ^v | poping* |
| 04:04.03 | ^v | piping* |
| 04:04.17 | wols | it gets sent via mail too normally |
| 04:04.24 | Konomi | oh I know all about piping I just didn't know cron acted that way |
| 04:04.35 | Konomi | hmm mail thing might be na issue then |
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| 04:08.04 | Konomi | figured it out |
| 04:08.05 | Konomi | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/disable-the-mail-alert-by-crontab-command/ |
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| 04:12.14 | ^v | managed to run update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda |
| 04:12.47 | ^v | but, getting error: no such device: <address> |
| 04:13.00 | ^v | which is from my old grub cfg |
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| 04:15.34 | ^v | still appears to be an old grub too |
| 04:15.39 | ^v | Unknown command 'root' |
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| 04:20.15 | ^v | this is seriously frustrating |
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| 04:27.17 | rvdv | The background just won't change* |
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| 04:50.24 | wols | srruby: TP-Link TL-WN821N it needs non free firmware however |
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| 05:01.34 | srruby | wols: Thanks! |
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| 05:07.50 | abhiivym | hi |
| 05:07.56 | abhiivym | how do i add network printer ? |
| 05:07.58 | abhiivym | using lxde |
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| 05:20.07 | abhiivym | nvm. |
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| 05:39.02 | ^v | alright, so apparently the grub i had diddnt support ext4 |
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| 05:39.46 | ^v | why did it let me install a grub that was incompatable with my system |
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| 05:43.41 | republican_devil | I upgraded but am still on 3.2 kernel... 7.5? |
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| 05:44.05 | republican_devil | $ uname -a |
| 05:44.07 | republican_devil | Linux hastur 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:44.21 | republican_devil | uname -a gives 2 kernel versions? |
| 05:44.22 | republican_devil | hmm |
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| 05:54.08 | rryoumaa | good question |
| 05:54.39 | rryoumaa | maybe one is the debian package name or something? |
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| 05:55.26 | rryoumaa | it's "release" vs. "version" |
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| 05:57.12 | frappr | hi |
| 05:57.14 | frappr | i love debian |
| 05:57.17 | frappr | =] |
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| 05:59.40 | temhaa | hii I upgraded debian 6 to debian 7. |
| 05:59.45 | temhaa | and vsftpd failed. |
| 06:00.02 | temhaa | I get http://www.garron.me/en/bits/500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot-solved.html |
| 06:00.13 | temhaa | this error.500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 06:00.20 | temhaa | how can i solve |
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| 06:01.47 | c0ded | [10:57:14pm] frappr: i love debian |
| 06:01.53 | c0ded | who doesnt thats in this chan :p |
| 06:02.34 | c0ded | might have a symlink u need to fix temhaa , ive never ran vsftpd |
| 06:02.38 | c0ded | so idk what all it uses |
| 06:02.52 | c0ded | sounds like a permission issue or symlink |
| 06:03.10 | temhaa | c0ded, I dont use backport |
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| 06:04.36 | Dewi | temhaa: googling suggests the chroot user's home directory might be writeble |
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| 06:05.40 | Dewi | temhaa: 2 workarounds here, if that's your issue - https://www.benscobie.com/fixing-500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot/ |
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| 06:08.43 | c0ded | [11:04:37pm] Dewi: temhaa: googling suggests the chroot user's home directory might be writeble |
| 06:08.49 | c0ded | permissions like i was saying :p |
| 06:08.56 | c0ded | nice find Dewi |
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| 06:09.35 | temhaa | c0ded, its writable |
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| 06:11.50 | c0ded | well just seems like some kinda permissions or symlink thing since all u did was dist-upgrade , might wanna do a google search for that, updateed deb 6 to 7 now vsftpd wont work, might just be something diff in 7 needs to be config'd for vsftpd |
| 06:12.02 | c0ded | id have to look into vsftpd more, is it any good btw? |
| 06:13.26 | frappr | lol |
| 06:13.35 | frappr | vsftpd is good |
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| 06:16.33 | V^V | Hey. Serious question: |
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| 06:17.09 | bolt | Even more serious answer: |
| 06:17.15 | V^V | I want to be able to mke some sort of dpkg backup to recover teh system from in the very worst dpkg.apt mess up or broken pkg or whatever |
| 06:17.26 | V^V | yeah, I've hit enter by mistake there |
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| 06:18.11 | V^V | Something like backing up rpm db and then have rpm to force reinstall everything from scratch. |
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| 06:18.43 | V^V | In the hope to never need it, but I need that backup |
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| 06:19.17 | bolt | a backup of what, exactly? |
| 06:19.33 | bolt | you can back up a list of the packages you have installed and their versions... dpkg -l might be a good start |
| 06:19.45 | bolt | or you can do a regular system backup with one of the tools available |
| 06:20.56 | V^V | yeah, I want to know if there is a master-backup utility in dpkg/apt that I can use to have all packages reinstalled in case that some pkg gets screwed |
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| 06:21.54 | V^V | I've had some packages to have buggy install/delete scripts and I really don't want to mess with these scripts again. |
| 06:22.27 | bolt | none that i would consider reliable in the case where you screw up the system. you couldn't trust those tools to work reliably |
| 06:22.38 | bolt | if you want to play around, virtual machines are an awesome place to do so |
| 06:22.45 | bolt | especially vm software with "snapshots" |
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| 06:22.51 | V^V | "I" screw up my system? |
| 06:23.00 | shingouz | V^V: dpkg --get-selections > filename and dpkg --set-selections < filename work. your nick is seriously nasty to type though |
| 06:23.07 | V^V | ack... I said the pkg was buggy not my head |
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| 06:23.40 | V^V | :) yeah |
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| 06:24.07 | V^V | ok, lemme play with that option then |
| 06:24.11 | bolt | shingouz: that only restores a package selection. he wants to reinstall every single package, it seems |
| 06:24.11 | V^V | ty |
| 06:24.37 | V^V | yeah, but I can fill that file with the output of installed kgs |
| 06:24.53 | bolt | it's still not going to reinstall them |
| 06:25.09 | V^V | so it works... at least for teh backup part... but I am still unsure if I can tell dpkg/arp to force reinstall stuff though |
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| 06:25.17 | V^V | mm |
| 06:25.22 | shingouz | bolt: V^V after you set the selections, you obviously install them |
| 06:25.51 | bolt | shingouz: and you expect your already installed packages to be reinstalled by this? |
| 06:26.02 | shingouz | V^V: arp? |
| 06:26.18 | bolt | "apt" |
| 06:26.20 | shingouz | bolt: yes, if you want to do that. |
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| 06:26.38 | bolt | shingouz: setting your package selections is not going to reinstall installed packages |
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| 06:27.02 | bolt | meh. this argument is a waste of time. carry on. |
| 06:27.07 | shingouz | bolt: no, it does not. it just selects them. after you have selected them, you do the install routine you desire |
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| 06:28.56 | V^V | yeah... see, with rpm you can checksum all files and use a simple sed command to force rpm to FORCE reinstall those packages. That is what I want :) |
| 06:31.10 | V^V | oh nvm, found it :) |
| 06:31.16 | shingouz | v v :man apt-get, man dpkg, man aptitude and you will find a lot of nifty things on installing the preselected packages. |
| 06:31.42 | shingouz | hates carets and other specials in nicks, makes answering an extra effort |
| 06:31.48 | V^V | yea shingouz... you could have just told me: rtfm too |
| 06:31.57 | V^V | would have been as helpful |
| 06:32.16 | V^V | thanks bolt |
| 06:32.39 | shingouz | ok. it was spoonfeeding you wanted. ill go back to the background |
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| 06:39.57 | buu | Is there a particularly clever way to turn an installed 1 disk system into a 2 disk raid0 array? |
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| 06:40.45 | asterismo | hi guys |
| 06:41.14 | asterismo | is there anyway to allow normal users to mount cd images ISO format? because it requires root password... |
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| 06:41.54 | buu | asterismo: You could use sudo to only allow them to use mount |
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| 06:42.22 | buu | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mounting_images_as_user |
| 06:42.25 | asterismo | buu: but i have to give administrator permission to that user |
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| 06:42.56 | asterismo | buu: i would like to allow it to normal users, also to mount de dvd drive, i cannot mount it either |
| 06:43.19 | buu | sudo is not administrator permissions |
| 06:43.51 | buu | See link |
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| 06:44.29 | asterismo | buu: it can install/uninstall packages... |
| 06:44.40 | asterismo | buu: that is enough administrator permissions for me |
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| 06:44.48 | buu | asterismo: You fail to understand how sudo works |
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| 06:45.07 | asterismo | buu: explain |
| 06:45.15 | buu | man sudoers |
| 06:45.20 | buu | sleeps |
| 06:45.46 | asterismo | buu: i edit /etc/sudoers and i get administration permissions right? |
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| 06:47.47 | frappr | lol |
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| 07:15.30 | nevyn | asterismo: put user in the fstab entry |
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| 07:30.22 | tparcina | My Debain server, that runs on XenServer, has become unresponsive. |
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| 07:30.35 | tparcina | The same thing has happen one week ago. |
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| 07:31.35 | tparcina | I can't log in via SSH (no response). XenCenter console to my server is unresponsive. |
| 07:32.02 | tparcina | And XenCenter is reporting that processor is 100% used (all 4 of them). |
| 07:32.43 | tparcina | Is there anything that I can do to check why has this happen? |
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| 07:32.58 | bolt | tparcina: check syslog and kern.log, at least |
| 07:33.08 | bolt | also... |
| 07:33.09 | shingouz | tparcina: check what top spits out hile you're at it |
| 07:33.10 | bolt | !debian |
| 07:33.10 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:33.14 | MrAlexandr0 | find -type f -newermt $MycreatedTimestamp -exec NEEDSOMETHING <---- This is where i need to list path/filename, but is it possible to not get the entire path all the way down to root, but just to current directory without the ./ indication in front ? |
| 07:33.17 | bolt | !debain |
| 07:33.17 | dpkg | from memory, debain is often a typo of Debian. |
| 07:33.17 | tparcina | There is nothing strange in /etc/messages and /etc/syslog. |
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| 07:33.56 | trist4n | unsurprising |
| 07:34.01 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.19 | tparcina | bolt: There is nothing in kern.log either (last message is 5 hours before server has become unresponsive). |
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| 07:35.00 | tparcina | shingouz: I was unable to connect to server. At the end I have force it to shutdown from XenCenter. |
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| 07:36.25 | tparcina | bolt: sed s/etc/var\/log/ |
| 07:36.53 | petn-randall | !debium |
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| 07:51.10 | rryoumaa | unbunto |
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| 07:57.01 | yalu | /var/lib/apt/lists/lock seems to be created when apt-get update runs, but never removed, or updated on subsequent runs. what is it for then? |
| 07:57.17 | yalu | same for /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 07:57.34 | themill | the lock is a file handle lock, not the presence of the lock file |
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| 07:59.04 | yalu | ok |
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| 08:00.00 | MrAlexandr0 | if i want to copy a file from a location to another location and in the same command also create several layers of folders: example cp path1/file1 newpath/layer1/layer2/layer3/file1. is there a way to force the creation of those folders ? |
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| 08:00.42 | Walex | MrAlexandr0: yes |
| 08:00.51 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex :D |
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| 08:01.35 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex: i am not talking about mkdir -p then creating the directory, but in the cp command |
| 08:01.53 | trist4n | omg so bloat |
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| 08:02.47 | klew | perhaps stupid question, but I'm creating a Wheezy-template on XenCenter, on my Ubuntu-machines I'm running 3.2.x-virtual, which is in ubuntu repos, does no special virtual kernel exist for Debian? |
| 08:03.17 | Walex | MrAlexandr0: have you read 'man cp'? Anyhow, if your versions of 'cp' does not have the relevant option, you can use 'pax' and missing that you can use two 'tar'. |
| 08:03.26 | klew | when asking google I mainly get replies from ubuntu pages |
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| 08:03.56 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex: yes I have read it. but i could have overseen something |
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| 08:04.24 | Walex | MrAlexandr0: "use full source file name" |
| 08:04.26 | rryoumaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.27 | rryoumaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.39 | petern_ | klew, the standard Debian kernel has some Xen stuff enabled, so possibly it just works. |
| 08:04.47 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex rryoumaa thanks :D |
| 08:05.28 | rryoumaa | rsync can also do that, but the man page is a tome |
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| 08:06.08 | klew | petern_: ok, then I'll just run the one I got, no use trying to force other kernels unless it's recommended (or for fun, since it's for production machines) |
| 08:06.10 | caraconan | Hi there. Running debian jessie. How to install ia32-libs? Thanks |
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| 08:07.55 | slav0nic | caraconan, dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 08:08.03 | Walex | caraconan: #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org |
| 08:08.04 | slav0nic | ia32-libs removed |
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| 08:08.33 | petn-randall | klew: The standard kernels can run as DomU, I don't really know why Ubuntu made two separate kernel images out of it, since it's just a kernel option. |
| 08:08.35 | Walex | caraconan: also Debian Jessie does not exists. There is just an archive called 'testing'. |
| 08:08.40 | caraconan | slav0nic: already did that. I had this package installed, somehow, but unfortunately I can't access my wiki page now. I need it to develop Android apps |
| 08:09.36 | slav0nic | caraconan, check private chat |
| 08:09.47 | Walex | caraconan: plus my usual story is that if you are using 'testing' or 'unstable' you are an advanced, experience package developer and don't need help for these matters. |
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| 08:10.17 | caraconan | Walex: ok, is your opinion, not mine |
| 08:10.56 | petern_ | caraconan, testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 08:11.14 | Walex | caraconan: the /topic is not an opinion though :-) |
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| 08:11.31 | slav0nic | petern_, it invites only |
| 08:11.40 | caraconan | +1 |
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| 08:12.28 | themill | slav0nic: wrong irc network |
| 08:12.30 | petn-randall | slav0nic: It's not, it's on a different network. |
| 08:12.30 | shingouz | slav0nic: invite only on freenode, oftc is another thing |
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| 08:13.28 | slav0nic | ah) ok |
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| 08:14.04 | caraconan | Interesting, always learning |
| 08:14.20 | klew | petn-randall: they probably did it to confuse me ;) |
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| 08:15.46 | Skyp | Hello ;) Is there a fix for the current squeeze-kernel in sight? |
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| 08:23.23 | caraconan | Ok, I finally found the solution: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo aptitude update; sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386 |
| 08:23.46 | caraconan | This is needed to develop on Android using eclipse IDE on 64 bits architecture |
| 08:24.20 | petn-randall | Skyp: It's probably a matter of hours. |
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| 08:27.23 | caraconan | ...and sudo aptitude install zlib1g:i386 |
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| 08:51.13 | Tazmain | hi all how do I get the StartCom root Certificate installed ? |
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| 08:54.07 | petn-randall | Tazmain: It should be there if you have ca-certificates installed. |
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| 08:55.39 | Tazmain | petn-randall, yes that is installed but startcom seems to be removed |
| 08:57.13 | petn-randall | Tazmain: How are you verifying this? |
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| 09:01.15 | t4shi | Hi! Please anyone could helpme? I'd like to find a free hot backup/snapshot tool for full hot system backups(online webserver) from main repositories |
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| 09:01.50 | redShadow | hi guys.. does anyone know whether wicd supports "bringing up" a bridge interface? |
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| 09:02.15 | redShadow | I saw some posts in which they say it doesn't, but they're quite old so things might have changed |
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| 09:02.44 | redShadow | (I have a bridge configured in interfaces, but I have to manually ``ifup br0`` each time..) |
| 09:02.47 | pfote | t4shi: including databases i guess? |
| 09:02.59 | Tazmain | petn-randall, Its a guess thati has been removed based on one issue on debian. Since when I access the site it says certificate can't be verfified. |
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| 09:03.27 | redShadow | ..and "auto br0" is not an option, as it will hang for a long time at boot if the ethernet cable is unplugged (it'a a laptop) |
| 09:03.46 | t4shi | pfote: including all the system, of course, databases too(specially) while system is running |
| 09:04.16 | redShadow | (btw, shouldn't "allow-hotplug br0" mean: automatically bring the interface up when the cable is connected?) |
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| 09:05.08 | t4shi | maybe a "snapshooter" is a posible solution |
| 09:05.11 | redShadow | t4shi: to backup databases etc. the best solution is using their own specific tools |
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| 09:05.17 | pfote | t4shi: no general solution i guess .. just taking a snapshot of the filesystem doesnt guarantee you a consistent database state. what database? |
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| 09:05.40 | redShadow | if you just copy the database files while the service is running you'll likely get a database in a corrupted / unusable state |
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| 09:06.09 | t4shi | pfote postgree and mysql |
| 09:06.10 | redShadow | I use bacula to backup my servers, and I have a script running before the backup that creates a dump to file for each database |
| 09:06.23 | redShadow | and then I backup those dumps along with all the other stuff |
| 09:07.33 | SynrGy | redShadow: no idea. years ago when there was some slight advantage to using wicd over NM, we measured the memory footprint of both because we wanted a "light" solution (debian-eeepc project) and found that wicd, with all its python gui deps actually consumed more memory than NM ... |
| 09:07.36 | t4shi | Is not possible to make a snapshot of the system, for backup then it, while it is running, with any tool? |
| 09:07.49 | SynrGy | and then NM gained in features and passed wicd. then i stopped caring altogether about wicd |
| 09:08.11 | pfote | t4shi: for postgres have a look at pg_basebackup or "barman" for a more comfortable solution .. for mysql probably mysqldump, not so sure about your options there |
| 09:08.11 | t4shi | the corruption worries me xD |
| 09:08.17 | SynrGy | so if you find wicd is lacking the features you need. use NM? :) |
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| 09:08.35 | redShadow | SynrGy: hm.. I remember having issues with NM a while back, that's why I'm now using wicd.. |
| 09:08.49 | redShadow | but yeah, maybe they improved..? |
| 09:08.52 | SynrGy | yeah, well. i think there's now no longer any good reason to continue using wicd. |
| 09:08.56 | SynrGy | nods |
| 09:09.04 | SynrGy | worth a try anyway |
| 09:09.19 | SynrGy | i use NM with a stripped down lxde |
| 09:09.48 | redShadow | (..why can't there be only **one** network manager that does everything it should do **properly**.. :() |
| 09:10.02 | redShadow | yeah, I think I'm going to try it |
| 09:10.30 | redShadow | btw, did they add a cli/curses interface to it? IIRC it lacked one.. |
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| 09:11.02 | SynrGy | there is one. i don't use it, however, so can't vouch for its completeness |
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| 09:12.40 | t4shi | ok thanks so for your answers pfote & redShadow |
| 09:13.03 | redShadow | t4shi: you're welcome |
| 09:13.08 | pfote | yw |
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| 09:13.39 | redShadow | btw, can anyone suggest some better alternative to bacula, especially in terms of disk usage? |
| 09:14.53 | redShadow | I was writing something myself, but I need to do quite some work on the testing part, which is not that straightforward.. |
| 09:16.28 | rryoumaa | what do you want it to do? |
| 09:16.32 | Twinkletoes_ | redShadow: I used Bacula a couple o fyears ago - it rocks - what's the disk space problem? |
| 09:16.39 | redShadow | the idea is using the principles of git (a storage with files saved by hash, then indexes that explain how to rebuild the filesystem) |
| 09:16.56 | SynrGy | redShadow: i love backuppc |
| 09:17.13 | SynrGy | redShadow: very efficient. uses a hardlink farm |
| 09:17.21 | rryoumaa | redShadow: there are backup systems that actually use a dvcs |
| 09:17.29 | redShadow | Twinkletoes_: I usually keep, like, a full backup each month for 6 months, a differential each week for 6 weeks and an incremental each day for the latest 15 days |
| 09:17.47 | redShadow | but it's using way too much disk space to keep all those copies |
| 09:18.01 | redShadow | and it could be largely optimized as most of the files are the same |
| 09:18.20 | redShadow | but since bacula has to emulate tapes, there seems no way to optimize that.. |
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| 09:18.51 | redShadow | SynrGy: I remember I tried it a while back but I remeber having issues.. |
| 09:19.09 | rryoumaa | rsnapshot works ok for me. you can poke holes like that. it will use hard links unless your holes are poked in between identical versions |
| 09:19.09 | redShadow | mostly speed issues, IIRC |
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| 09:19.40 | rryoumaa | my main issue with rsnapshot is with debian: it stutters whenever rsync runs |
| 09:19.56 | redShadow | rryoumaa: hm.. but what if I want to preserve, eg, hardlinks of the original filesystem structure? |
| 09:20.08 | Twinkletoes_ | redShadow: I don't want to draw it off topic, but in my opinion, backup is VITAL and disk space is CHEAP, so I would personally rather know that if one of my backup sets became corrupt etc., then I could rely on another one. If I only had one file but lots of indexes to it, if that file became corrupt then there's no way to recover. |
| 09:20.15 | petn-randall | rryoumaa: It's not meant for audio/video playback. ;) |
| 09:20.27 | rryoumaa | debian isn't? |
| 09:20.31 | redShadow | or, another common issue, if I want to preserve information (posix acls, for example) that are not supported on the destination filesystem? |
| 09:20.37 | rryoumaa | but it is the entire system, not just video |
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| 09:21.05 | rryoumaa | redShadow: i've forgotten whether it works for that. the rsync man page is confusing on the issue; if you think about it for a while you might get your answer. |
| 09:21.07 | petn-randall | redShadow: rdiff-backup preserves them in metadata files then, no problem. |
| 09:21.20 | Twinkletoes_ | redShadow: If you want to do it your way, you could just use rsync. Make a backjup, then make a harlink copy, then use rsync for just the changes etc. |
| 09:21.21 | redShadow | Twinkletoes_: with an optimized storage, I could keep eg. two copies of the large storage on two different servers in separate locations |
| 09:21.33 | Twinkletoes_ | nods towards redshadow |
| 09:21.58 | rryoumaa | rsnapshot does the rsync thing |
| 09:22.05 | redShadow | right now bacula is using more than 10 times the total volume of the data I need to backup, which is way too much.. |
| 09:22.51 | petn-randall | redShadow: Sounds like something is not set up right. |
| 09:22.57 | Twinkletoes_ | redShadow: Seems that rsnapshot is a possible solution... what rryoumaa said |
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| 09:24.17 | redShadow | petn-randall: no, the setup is fine, the problem is I have 6 full copies of everything (the monthly full backups) + 6 differentials + 15 incrementals, which add up to a lot of disk space usage |
| 09:24.30 | redShadow | way more than the storage used by the original machines |
| 09:25.18 | rryoumaa | you can do, say, every h for 10d, every d for a w, every w for a year |
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| 09:27.01 | SynrGy | redShadow: at the peak of my home network size, i managed to keep backups for 4 netbooks, one windows system, and 3 desktop systems on 2/3 of a 680G hdd, keeping 2 fulls and 7 incrementals. i know that's not very deep, but i was impressed with backuppc's efficiency. also, easy to use for all the users involved due to its nice web interface. |
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| 09:27.47 | pp20 | anyone here using wechat.freenot.net? |
| 09:28.01 | t4shi | could rsnapshot aplied for full hot system backups with no data corruption warranties? |
| 09:28.06 | redShadow | SynrGy: yeah, but I mostly need to backup remote machines, sometimes over not-that-good internet connections, and I remember backuppc to be painfully slow |
| 09:28.22 | Twinkletoes_ | redShadow: What compression optiojns are you using with Bacula? |
| 09:28.25 | SynrGy | redShadow: at work i need deeper storage (and more redundancy) and use ninjabackup as my frontend to rdiff-backup, then tar up the whole rdiff-backup tree and copy it to a network share where it gets included in our regular tape backups (which are cycled offsite) |
| 09:28.38 | SynrGy | redShadow: yes, it is a bit on the slow side. |
| 09:28.42 | redShadow | I saw obnam, which is similar as a concept to what I wanted to write, is in debian, but it is **really** poorly written.. |
| 09:28.43 | nkuttler | backuppc will be as fast as your transport is.. rsync, ssh, whatever |
| 09:28.57 | SynrGy | true |
| 09:29.01 | SynrGy | i'm using tar + ssh |
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| 09:29.13 | SynrGy | also, the netbooks are connected by wireless, so ... worst-case :) |
| 09:29.51 | nkuttler | ew, backup over wireless.. |
| 09:30.05 | SynrGy | at night when nobody is using it |
| 09:30.10 | redShadow | nkuttler: nope, I remember it doing way too much requests over the network (not just for data transfer) which was slowing everything down.. backups were taking days, compared to the couple hours needed by bacula |
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| 09:30.27 | nkuttler | redShadow: that doesn't sound right |
| 09:30.59 | nkuttler | redShadow: i could see that happen if you don't use rsync though |
| 09:31.39 | redShadow | nkuttler: I remember talking with somebody telling me to "use faster disks and network connectivity", which of course is not an option.. especially since other backup solutions work just fine with those.. |
| 09:32.23 | nkuttler | bacula uses a client on the hosts to backup, right? of course, then you can push all the logic there |
| 09:32.56 | redShadow | ..dammit, I just got / in readonly due to some error with the ssd.. looks bad |
| 09:33.03 | nkuttler | but the overhead of rsync should really be minimal |
| 09:33.14 | nkuttler | redShadow: i hope you have backups |
| 09:33.19 | redShadow | I read there are some issues with SSDs and kernel <3.8 but now I'm using jessie w/ 3.13 |
| 09:33.22 | redShadow | nkuttler: of course I do |
| 09:33.27 | nkuttler | the ssd in my workstation just locked up one day |
| 09:33.38 | redShadow | but I'm trying to figure out whether it is a hw or sw problem |
| 09:33.39 | Walex | redShadow: if you run out of write cycles the SSD will become read-only but won't lose anything. |
| 09:33.53 | Walex | redShadow: if it is a firmware bug, it could be bad news. |
| 09:33.56 | redShadow | Walex: nope, it's quite new (less than a year) |
| 09:34.05 | nkuttler | yay, warranty |
| 09:34.05 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex rryoumaa : thanks for the help with --parents attribute. it worked like a dream! :D |
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| 09:34.36 | redShadow | nkuttler: yeah, the problem is how to figure out whether it is a sw or hw problem.. |
| 09:34.58 | MrAlexandr0 | Do you know also how to use the -newermt (with find) to also search for file modification not only on date but including time ? :D |
| 09:35.16 | redShadow | bios says that the disk is fine |
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| 09:35.44 | nkuttler | redShadow: did you change anything about your system? |
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| 09:36.13 | nkuttler | usually i'd just let the vendor sort it out.. |
| 09:36.20 | redShadow | nkuttler: you mean, on the hw? |
| 09:36.30 | nkuttler | redShadow: no, the software |
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| 09:37.09 | redShadow | nkuttler: it happened a couple times with wheezy, especially during heavy write (eg. dropbox sync); the problems seemed to be solved w/ jessie, but apparently it's not |
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| 09:37.46 | nkuttler | sounds like hardware to me, but what do i know :) |
| 09:37.53 | redShadow | machine is a thinkpad w530 full-optional, usually they are tough machines.. |
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| 09:39.06 | redShadow | dammit, I think I'll have to find an assistance center, which is not so easy here.. :( |
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| 09:39.16 | redShadow | ok, rebooting, brb |
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| 09:40.26 | pierpier | salut |
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| 09:42.21 | MrAlexandr0 | -newerXY (m for modified and t for directly referensed to time) "interpreted as for the argument to the -d option of GNU date" i can -newermt 2014-05-12 but i want more. i want -newermt 2014-05-13-11-40-00. as in YYYY-mm-dd-hh-mm-ss |
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| 09:42.40 | redShadow[tp] | ok I'm back |
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| 09:50.42 | redShadow | can anybody recommend some tool for testing disks? I mean, something better than dd if=disk of=/dev/null |
| 09:51.04 | petn-randall | redShadow: Testing what? Speed? Reliability? |
| 09:51.08 | OpenTokix | redShadow: Define testing? |
| 09:51.33 | redShadow | testing whether it is sane or something is broken :) |
| 09:51.44 | OpenTokix | redShadow: smarttools |
| 09:51.46 | redShadow | (I was referring to the previous issue of "/ in ro mode") |
| 09:51.49 | aandy | hi guys. i'm trying to make my aliases to a lo (loopback) interface permanent, following this example: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking#Creating_Interface_Aliases i've come up with this: http://pastebin.com/USqgBYZ7 which fails, as line 6 is a "misspelled option". any way to generate /etc/network/interfaces *from* the current setup? (i've added the aliases with the 'ip' utility and they work as intended |
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| 09:52.26 | OpenTokix | aandy: you need to indend the address |
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| 09:53.04 | OpenTokix | aandy: pastebin.com/iZfJApPw |
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| 09:53.26 | redShadow | OpenTokix: yup, smarttools says everything is fine, as does the bios diagnostic tool |
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| 09:53.35 | OpenTokix | redShadow: and it still dont work? |
| 09:53.37 | OpenTokix | or what? |
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| 09:54.14 | redShadow | OpenTokix: sometimes the disk starts giving I/O errors and gets remounted in ro mode |
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| 09:54.32 | redShadow | especially under heavy write |
| 09:54.43 | shingouz | !tell redShadow about smartmontools |
| 09:54.51 | OpenTokix | redShadow: ok, Sounds like it can be one of three things: 1. disk 2. controller 3. cable |
| 09:54.52 | shingouz | redShadow: usually that sounds like a bad drive |
| 09:55.07 | redShadow | It's an ssd and I'm trying to figure out whether it is a hw or sw problem |
| 09:55.12 | OpenTokix | 4. controller driver/firmware |
| 09:55.29 | aandy | OpenTokix: ah, that makes sense. unfortunately it still complains: ":6: misplaced option", is it suppose to be a specific number of spaces, tabs or? |
| 09:55.35 | petn-randall | redShadow: Can you paste the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/sdX' to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 09:56.12 | aandy | OpenTokix: if it helps, here's my ip addr output: http://pastebin.com/h6PHuafY |
| 09:56.20 | OpenTokix | aandy: I have never had named aliases, try chaning :svr1 to like :1 instead |
| 09:56.27 | redShadow | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/99217/ |
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| 09:56.46 | redShadow | problem is, upgrading firmware requires windows :( |
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| 09:57.35 | redShadow | and, I'd like to figure out more about the issue before contacting an assistance center as I don't expect to find really experienced people, especially with linux |
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| 09:58.15 | aandy | OpenTokix: thanks, but sadly that doesn't change the error. i'll keep looking and let you know the "solution" when i find it :) |
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| 09:58.41 | OpenTokix | aandy: paste your interfaces now |
| 09:59.08 | Tazmain | how can I import a root certificate ? |
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| 10:01.42 | aandy | OpenTokix: here's ip addr, and interfaces: http://pastebin.com/85uBUNgD |
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| 10:04.04 | OpenTokix | aandy: lo:srv1 and you tried chaning this to; lo:1 ? |
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| 10:04.54 | aandy | yes, but it complains about the same step (that 'address' apparently is a misspelled option on this line: 'address 127.0.0.10') |
| 10:05.16 | OpenTokix | aandy: oh, now I see it |
| 10:05.18 | OpenTokix | let me edit |
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| 10:05.50 | OpenTokix | aandy: pastebin.com/sxw9BvXi |
| 10:05.59 | OpenTokix | aandy: auto lo:srv1 and then iface lo:srv1 |
| 10:06.03 | OpenTokix | different lines |
| 10:06.20 | aandy | ah, so i wasn't attaching it to a device anyway |
| 10:06.27 | aandy | awesome, thank you so much, OpenTokix :) |
| 10:06.31 | OpenTokix | aandy: yw |
| 10:06.40 | petn-randall | aandy: Why do you need several loopback devices? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:06.44 | MrAlexandr0 | Walex: Is there a similiar function in ln -s as the --parent one in cp ? :) |
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| 10:07.37 | aandy | petn-randall: basically i'm avoiding NAT issues (well, and avoiding VPN) |
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| 10:08.42 | petn-randall | aandy: Sounds like an XY problem to me. Would you like to elaborate? (going for lunch, but will read the backlog later) |
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| 10:11.30 | aandy | petn-randall: hehe i know, but sure: i'm setting up http://syncthing.net/ on two non-LAN'ed machines, and would like to avoid opening up port :22000 on both through NAT, effectively trying to make a "LAN" over SSH for those two ports |
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| 10:37.05 | Walex | MrAlexandr0: 'man ln' does not report that. What you want to do is called a "link farm" and there are specialized tools for that. |
| 10:37.16 | MrAlexandr0 | ok |
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| 10:49.17 | AlexPortable | how long is debian support? |
| 10:49.28 | NiLon | 18 cm |
| 10:49.40 | AlexPortable | thanks |
| 10:50.00 | huh00 | I just successfully installed the java from the script provided in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=105459 , restarting chrome i still can't see anything in chrome://plugins |
| 10:50.19 | stack | NiLon: gh |
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| 10:50.37 | huh00 | just what is this ridiculous quest about, is it just me or debian is targetting mentally handicapped users ? |
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| 10:50.57 | huh00 | it's simple. It's just a JRE for browser |
| 10:51.02 | huh00 | ffs |
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| 10:52.07 | huh00 | oh, maybe i should allow outdated plugins |
| 10:52.38 | huh00 | but this is not chromium, it's chrome, does it make a difference |
| 10:52.42 | DonkeyKong55 | I'd be cautious using outdated version of Java, it's a security nightmare |
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| 10:54.24 | wa5qjh | you used apt-get install chromium-browser right ? |
| 10:54.26 | huh00 | wow. Yes, i have to use chromium apparently lol |
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| 10:56.54 | stack | what is the preferred way to build a new .deb for a kernel? make deb-pkg or make-dpkg ? |
| 10:58.02 | wa5qjh | I just installed Debian 7.4 KDE in the last few days. if you need flash pluging, you can try to apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree_3.4_amd64.deb |
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| 10:59.06 | stack | s/_.*// |
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| 10:59.52 | wa5qjh | chromium(-browser) will pick it up prettty quick but iceweasel will probably require a reboot. |
| 10:59.54 | huh00 | and now it blocks the JRE apps for security reasons |
| 11:00.19 | AlexPortable | 5 years? |
| 11:00.21 | AlexPortable | 3 years? |
| 11:00.54 | huh00 | reboot won't solve the security problem i guess? |
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| 11:02.08 | shingouz | wa5qjh: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree. you only use the full filename when you install something with dpkg |
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| 11:03.41 | huh00 | how do i change the security settings for this |
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| 11:03.59 | wa5qjh | well, no shortened name would get it for me. in fact I had to go download it from a debian site then use dpkg -i to install it. |
| 11:04.00 | shingouz | huh00: this? being chromium? |
| 11:04.11 | huh00 | yes, jre for chromium |
| 11:04.30 | shingouz | wa5qjh: apt-cache search flashplugin and use the appropriate name for the pacakge |
| 11:04.34 | stack | huh00: follow this https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ or this if you want the sun jre https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
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| 11:04.53 | shingouz | huh00: i am guessing you use the chromium preferences for configuring chromium |
| 11:05.25 | huh00 | yes |
| 11:05.27 | AlexPortable | how long is debian support? |
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| 11:06.02 | wa5qjh | damn sight longer that Ubuntu!!! |
| 11:06.06 | huh00 | i already have it installed and it's running as it can also be seen in chrome://plugins but i get a security error, it blocks the application i wish to run |
| 11:06.19 | AlexPortable | ubuntu has 5 years |
| 11:06.23 | AlexPortable | debian has 7? |
| 11:06.28 | huh00 | and that page does not provide anything relevant to that unfortunately |
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| 11:06.34 | AlexPortable | hey ontae |
| 11:06.42 | AlexPortable | hey Onixs |
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| 11:07.01 | shingouz | AlexPortable: make your install track stable and the security updates and you have infinite support |
| 11:07.17 | AlexPortable | no i mean updates |
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| 11:07.28 | shingouz | huh00: maybe you have some popup blocker or somehting else running in chromium |
| 11:07.34 | petn-randall | shingouz: spontaneous dist-upgrades are not recommended, nor wanted. |
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| 11:08.25 | shingouz | petn-randall: umm... i stand corrected. brainfart on my part |
| 11:08.31 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: squeeze gets security support until 2016 (for i386 and amd64 only), and wheezy gets it one year longer than the next release, which will be some time next year. |
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| 11:08.44 | huh00 | shingouz: did they hire you to do this on purpose |
| 11:08.49 | petn-randall | (so wheezy is supported around the same time) |
| 11:08.57 | huh00 | are you seriously dumbing down the whole solution phase now ? |
| 11:09.05 | huh00 | what's next? reboot the computer ? |
| 11:09.15 | AlexPortable | so 6 years - 2019 ? |
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| 11:09.51 | AlexPortable | huh00: install firefox |
| 11:09.53 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: No, 2016, unless wheezy also gets long term support, which isn't decided yet. |
| 11:09.53 | shingouz | huh00: no i am not trying to dumb don the process, i am merely pointing out things that happen and that usually get overlooked |
| 11:10.09 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 11:10.13 | shingouz | s/don/down/ |
| 11:10.24 | AlexPortable | thx |
| 11:10.28 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Note however that Ubuntu only gives around 3000 out of 30k (so only 10%!) of their packages security support. |
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| 11:11.04 | wa5qjh | the iceweasel is a debian branded Firefox. I ( so far ) haveno problem with that. |
| 11:11.06 | coolbudy | Is there a way to change the disk identifier "sda" to "sdb"? |
| 11:11.30 | petn-randall | coolbudy: No, but what are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:11.51 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 11:12.31 | coolbudy | petn-randall: I've 1 1TB and 2 4TB Disks... /dev/sda and /dev/sdc are the 4TB Disk and /dev/sdb is the 1 TB one |
| 11:12.38 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: So you're looking for a debian-based distro to ship with your product? |
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| 11:12.55 | AlexPortable | no |
| 11:13.00 | coolbudy | petn-randall: I want the 1 TB disk to be /dev/sda ;-P |
| 11:13.03 | AlexPortable | i'm looking for an os to install |
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| 11:14.12 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: If you don't necessarily need the newest stuff, but just want an OS that "just works", take Debian wheezy. Smooth upgrades are one of the selling points of Debian. |
| 11:14.31 | AlexPortable | i want something that looks like and works the same as ubuntu 10.04 lts |
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| 11:14.58 | AlexPortable | the os is not for me |
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| 11:15.01 | babilen | AlexPortable: Why don't you use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS then? |
| 11:15.16 | AlexPortable | because support ended |
| 11:15.19 | AlexPortable | http://ubuntovod.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ubuntu-10-04-4.jpg |
| 11:15.21 | AlexPortable | it's EOL |
| 11:15.41 | wa5qjh | No, at the least 12.04 !! |
| 11:15.43 | babilen | AlexPortable: Well, in that case you will *not* be able to find something that is exactly like that (as the world moved on in the interim) |
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| 11:16.22 | AlexPortable | does debian haves some sort of gnome fallback mode? |
| 11:16.33 | wa5qjh | 14.04 is the next really LTS but it's brand new out. not 100% stable yet. |
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| 11:16.39 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Yes, the standard one that comes with gnome3. |
| 11:16.40 | babilen | Ah, it's this discussion again .. /me is out |
| 11:17.17 | babilen | AlexPortable: Yes, it does. But I would strongly suggest to accept the reality and either use Gnome3 or switch to a different, and supported, DE of your liking. |
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| 11:18.41 | AlexPortable | petn-randall: gnome 3 looks quite different |
| 11:19.01 | AlexPortable | the people who the OS is for don't want to use something else if it doesnt looks like windows (right bottom notifications, left bottom 'start menu') |
| 11:19.06 | babilen | petn-randall: Yes, it does but it is the current version of Gnome (well, not quite the newest one in wheezy) |
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| 11:19.23 | AlexPortable | i recommended them ubuntu to get them off windows |
| 11:19.45 | ChrisH | AlexPortable: use KDE, there is a "start button" at tghe lower left |
| 11:19.48 | babilen | AlexPortable: Then get them to use XFCE or KDE or LXDE |
| 11:19.52 | AlexPortable | due to licensing costs |
| 11:20.03 | wa5qjh | word of caution, if you insist on FireFox and Thunderbird by name, Mr. Google and the forums it points you to on the subject are going to have you do all kinds of preparatory steps. To me, that's a recipe for failure and trouble. just use the iceweasel/Firefox that's installed on 7.4 at least, and icedove/thunderbird that's easily apt-get'd and be happy. |
| 11:20.06 | babilen | But then, let them try Gnome3 .. they might actually like it. |
| 11:20.24 | bolt | ubuntu will move them back to windows... |
| 11:20.41 | AlexPortable | how does it works? |
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| 11:21.05 | wa5qjh | who ya asking? |
| 11:21.06 | AlexPortable | bolt: what do you mean? |
| 11:21.18 | AlexPortable | wa5qjh: because i dont really understand myself how it works |
| 11:21.24 | AlexPortable | so i have no idea how i can explain to them what's what |
| 11:22.08 | babilen | is still not sure what it is that is supposedly working |
| 11:22.27 | AlexPortable | oh |
| 11:22.27 | AlexPortable | gnome 3 |
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| 11:23.27 | petern_ | It "just works" in my experience ;p |
| 11:23.37 | AlexPortable | yes but how |
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| 11:23.39 | AlexPortable | where is the start menu |
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| 11:23.45 | AlexPortable | the bottom bar with applications |
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| 11:24.05 | petern_ | Er, it's not Windows. |
| 11:24.07 | wa5qjh | well, the iceweasel and icedove both work pretty much exactly like their firefox and thunderbird counterparts. in fact when I installed I pulled in my old .mozilla directory then my .thunderbird directory ( has hundreds of MB of mail, my filters etc. init) then simply renamed .thunderbird to .icedove and voila!! |
| 11:24.26 | AlexPortable | petern_: whats your point? ubuntu 10.04 isnt windows either |
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| 11:24.50 | petern_ | And Gnome 3 isn't Ubuntu 10.04's interface. So? |
| 11:24.57 | wa5qjh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.07 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: There is lots of easy, hands-on documentation for gnome, if you can't use it intuitively, just read that. |
| 11:25.32 | babilen | AlexPortable: Why don't you try it? |
| 11:25.36 | AlexPortable | i did |
| 11:25.39 | AlexPortable | could launch firefox |
| 11:25.42 | AlexPortable | and could shutdown |
| 11:25.46 | petern_ | Gnome 3 actually made the "Start" key useful, heh. |
| 11:26.08 | daenney | I just pulled a .dsc from Debian that I'm trying to build (with pbuilder) but it blows up on the package's configure.ac explicitly checking that we have at laest automake 1.12. However, automake 1.12 isn't available in the Debian archive, not even in Sid or Experimental. Does anyone know how this ever built to begin with? (the package is duo-unix) |
| 11:26.15 | AlexPortable | hmm explaining what start key does |
| 11:26.19 | AlexPortable | that will be hard |
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| 11:26.47 | petn-randall | daenney: 1.14 is in jessie/sid. |
| 11:27.01 | wa5qjh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.07 | daenney | petn-randall: Oh, good point. Sorry, the 1- got me confused |
| 11:27.16 | daenney | I've been staring at this for too long |
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| 11:27.37 | petn-randall | daenney: No problem, glad I could point it out :) |
| 11:27.58 | daenney | petn-randall: Then the question becomes, how to fix this, because I don't really feel like backporting automake too :) |
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| 11:28.48 | babilen | AlexPortable: Humans are surprisingly versatile -- But then there isn't really much we can do for you now. You might want to come back once you have a more specific and technical question, but so far you have been made aware of possible alternatives to Gnome 3. Frankly: I am under the impression as if you simply assume certain things that you haven't tested yet and are a victim of your own preconceptions. Gnome 3 is, however, not available in the ... |
| 11:28.55 | babilen | ... newest version in wheezy which *is* an argument, but that holds true to KDE, XFCE, ... too |
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| 11:29.20 | petn-randall | daenney: Other than backporting automake? Find out what features it uses from 1.12, and refactor the Makefile to use pre-1.12 code. Not necessarily easier :) |
| 11:29.39 | AlexPortable | babilen: well the problem is if i dont understand it when i look at it, they won't ever understand it |
| 11:29.46 | daenney | petn-randall: I was afraid of that :/ |
| 11:30.26 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Seems like a Catch-22. Next! |
| 11:31.25 | petern_ | What specifically don't you understand then? Does the lack of a start menu or window list at the bottom confuse you? |
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| 11:32.00 | wa5qjh | speaking of backport, can somebody give me a URL to put in my sources.lst. whatever I had put in there the other day not working too good:( |
| 11:32.16 | AlexPortable | petern_: i can't see what is opened in 1 view |
| 11:32.22 | AlexPortable | without clicking on something |
| 11:33.05 | petern_ | That's true (without using extensions). You seem to understand that, so what's the problem? |
| 11:33.18 | AlexPortable | so i dont think gnome 3 is something i can use |
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| 11:33.52 | petern_ | Do you often use your computer without interacting with it? |
| 11:34.01 | AlexPortable | many times |
| 11:34.04 | AlexPortable | reading |
| 11:34.20 | colo-work | I need to implement automatic IPv4 address failover/migration between two hosts on the same Ethernet segment. one runs squeeze, one wheezy. what software shall I use? |
| 11:34.45 | AlexPortable | petern_: it's like having to press a button in your car to see your speedometer |
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| 11:36.40 | petern_ | Well it's a good job there's an extension you can install which adds a window list to the screen. |
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| 11:36.58 | petern_ | I don't miss it myself, though. |
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| 11:39.38 | wa5qjh | CrisH slow, but I gotcha |
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| 11:40.50 | AquaL1te | gnome3 works perfect for me :) just use it for 2 weeks with the right mindset. before you know it you're in windows/kde/unity/whatever and you yank your mouse in the corner expecting the activities menu ;-) |
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| 12:12.44 | x-yuri | hello there, today I ran across an article about LTS in debian squeeze. But what does it exactly mean? Are there a separate image for it? Wikipedia lists two dates for end of support? |
| 12:12.44 | grzeslaw | \o |
| 12:12.59 | grzeslaw | anywone know if there is any article about chrooting mysql in debian? |
| 12:13.16 | cast | why do you want to chroot mysql? |
| 12:14.07 | grzeslaw | I am hardening my mysql server, and we need to be PCI Compilance. so this point from CIST secrity documents, is mandatory |
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| 12:17.28 | abrotman | grzeslaw: Would it be any different than standard MySQL chrooting instructions? |
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| 12:18.29 | petern_ | I've seen any mention of things like chrooting in PCI-DSS standards. |
| 12:18.33 | petern_ | er... *never |
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| 12:24.43 | grzeslaw | abrotman: thats what I am looking for.. standart chrooting instructions. but from some official documentation.. |
| 12:24.55 | grzeslaw | I cannot find it on dev.mysql.com |
| 12:25.00 | abrotman | grzeslaw: I'd ask #mysql if such a thing even exists |
| 12:25.17 | grzeslaw | yes, I need to register my nick there and blabla.. ;] |
| 12:25.24 | grzeslaw | so thats why I ask here.. |
| 12:25.27 | abrotman | grzeslaw: if they can find you some, then perhaps we can assist you with making it work with Debian |
| 12:25.37 | abrotman | grzeslaw: registering your nick isn't such a bad thing :) |
| 12:25.50 | grzeslaw | heh, okey thanks |
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| 12:35.51 | youpoop | strangeness with latest sid. module radeon does not load at boot (listed in /etc/modules). module radeon does not load when X is started (defaults to vesa). |
| 12:36.07 | youpoop | I can modprobe radeon manually and all is good and radeon works for X. |
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| 12:36.32 | SirLagz | youpoop: sid support is on #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 12:37.44 | youpoop | okay. Any reason wheezy / stable is still on glibc 2.13? |
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| 12:38.11 | petn-randall | youpoop: It got released with 2.13. |
| 12:38.24 | youpoop | Or more specifically will I have to wait on jessie for > 2.13 as the stable? |
| 12:38.30 | petn-randall | youpoop: Yes. |
| 12:38.46 | petn-randall | youpoop: We can skip all this, though, and you can ask your real question :) |
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| 12:39.22 | youpoop | Just curious. OpenGL seems lacking for java with 2.13. At least oracles flavour |
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| 12:39.56 | youpoop | I guess I'll debian-next it now. Eterm is also broke in sid |
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| 12:40.41 | petn-randall | youpoop: That's why it's called sid. You get to keep the pieces. |
| 12:41.12 | youpoop | I've gotten spoiled though as experimental cushioned these quirks for so long |
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| 12:42.45 | youpoop | also fglrx-atieventsd (atieventsd executable) floods udp packets if using the radeon driver. In jessie, think it was doing it in wheezy too |
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| 12:43.29 | petern_ | Hmm, so I copied the bootable image to a USB stick and it comes up with non system disk blah blah blah :S |
| 12:44.24 | youpoop | petern_: via dd to the whole stick, not a partiton? |
| 12:44.35 | petern_ | via cat to device, yes. |
| 12:45.02 | petern_ | heh, gnome automounts it, woo |
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| 12:45.45 | youpoop | I normally rsync the rootfs to a partiton and install grub for those. plus config user and fstab steps |
| 12:45.54 | alex_tester | is it poddible to install e18 on wheezy? |
| 12:46.10 | alex_tester | i am now at arch and want to reinstall debian |
| 12:46.19 | alex_tester | *pssible |
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| 12:46.23 | petern_ | HW raid controller, so... |
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| 12:47.29 | anick | to install debian without a network is it necessary to burn the dvd .iso images to a DVD or can they be copied to disk and the installer run from usb stick/drive ? |
| 12:47.58 | cast | you can cat/dd the image directly onto a usb drive |
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| 12:48.26 | anick | dd an .iso on a usb drive ? |
| 12:48.44 | youpoop | you can debootstrap an install and copy the *.*deb files from */pool/* to /var/cache/apt/archives/ so it doesn't need a network to get the packages. |
| 12:48.48 | cast | aye. dd if=stuff.iso of=/dev/sdz |
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| 12:49.32 | Painter | 100500 packages have dependency glibc 2.13 |
| 12:49.38 | Painter | sorry |
| 12:50.48 | petern_ | Alright, how do I make a USB installer the old way? :P |
| 12:50.58 | anick | youpoop: if i already have a DVD image I guess I could extract the .deb files from that and copy them over to /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? or is there some local database file that is used to keep a record of available packages ? |
| 12:51.02 | anick | (like rpmdb) |
| 12:51.41 | youpoop | idk, I tend to do things the hard way. (aka the way I know how) |
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| 12:52.11 | youpoop | I suppose you could mount -o loop them and ln -s the debs to save drive space |
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| 12:52.34 | petern_ | Desktop/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso ... wow I have some old files lying around :p |
| 12:53.04 | SASDOE | hey guys, fresh 7.5 install done, I've ran apt-get update/upgrade, but cannot locate a single package (htop/zsh/ntp for example). What am I missing? (Not internet). |
| 12:53.45 | youpoop | SASDOE: try # dpkg --clear-avail && dselect upgrade |
| 12:54.00 | themill | SASDOE: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:54.06 | themill | youpoop: not in this century. |
| 12:54.14 | petern_ | dselect, how oldschool. |
| 12:54.14 | dselect | petern_: are you using Windows? |
| 12:54.18 | petern_ | :D |
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| 12:54.44 | youpoop | apt-get update doesn't merge multiple sources in sources.list properly imo |
| 12:54.58 | themill | youpoop: umm... yes it does |
| 12:55.04 | SASDOE | Ok I must be missing a few. two deb-cd rom and one security |
| 12:55.07 | youpoop | and doesn't repopulate available if you --clear-avail |
| 12:55.17 | themill | dpkg: tell SASDOE about wheezy sources.list |
| 12:55.34 | themill | youpoop: that's because nothing uses the available file these days |
| 12:55.53 | youpoop | dpkg-query does |
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| 12:56.00 | abrotman | smells something funny ... |
| 12:56.35 | SASDOE | Ok i found a sources.list generator. Cheers guys |
| 12:56.41 | themill | SASDOE: no... |
| 12:56.43 | thieh | Question: is it possible to get mate desktop at install (desktop=??? in the boot prompt on the install disc) or do I need to do that afterwards? |
| 12:56.46 | abrotman | SASDOE: do NOT use that |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | SASDOE: it does horrible things |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | thieh: which version of Debian? |
| 12:57.08 | thieh | abrotman: jessie |
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| 12:57.17 | abrotman | thieh: I didn't think MATE was fully in Jessie yet? |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | ah, seems it is |
| 12:57.52 | SASDOE | abrotman: what then? it told me to add this to my sources.list |
| 12:57.53 | SASDOE | http://bpaste.net/show/8qryDH95F4IMvTmeUJmD/ |
| 12:58.03 | thieh | not sure if the prompt is desktop=mate or...? |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | SASDOE: see what the dpkg bot told you |
| 12:58.20 | x-yuri | or one more thing, it appears a vulnerability was discovered recently: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0196f But first is there a way to fix it in squeeze? And they're talking about source packages for wheezy. But I don't really know which binary packages I should upgrade. |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | SASDOE: those sources are not going to work well, please don't use them ... Use the ones the bot gave you |
| 12:58.26 | themill | youpoop: dpkg-query only uses the available file if you specifically ask it for information from the available file. Not really very useful. |
| 12:58.28 | SASDOE | abrotman: didn't tell me anything |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | dselect: tell SASDOE about wheezy sources.list |
| 12:58.47 | thieh | abrotman: should the prompt be desktop=mate or...? |
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| 12:58.55 | SASDOE | abrotman: got it thanks |
| 12:59.15 | abrotman | thieh: not sure, I wouldn't use or recommend MATE .. perhaps ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if it's an available option |
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| 12:59.34 | thieh | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 12:59.46 | themill | SASDOE: sorry, I didn't realise dpkg was taking a short holiday when I asked him to give you that information |
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| 13:00.01 | abrotman | dpkg!!!! NOOOOOOO!!! |
| 13:00.36 | nkuttler | ,v backuppc |
| 13:00.37 | judd | Package: backuppc on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.0-9.1; wheezy: 3.2.1-4; jessie: 3.3.0-2; sid: 3.3.0-2 |
| 13:00.47 | petern_ | Hmm, unetbootin should still work to make a bootable USB stick, right? |
| 13:01.06 | themill | petern_: no |
| 13:01.12 | petern_ | Oh. |
| 13:01.25 | themill | petern_: well... it will probably be bootable but the installer will probably fall over |
| 13:01.51 | abrotman | makes a note for takedown orders .. sources.list generator and unetbootin .. |
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| 13:02.00 | themill | please |
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| 13:02.19 | petern_ | Hmm, maybe I'll have to try a proper PXE boot instead then :S |
| 13:02.31 | abrotman | petern_: win32-diskimager seems to work better |
| 13:02.46 | petern_ | Errr |
| 13:02.58 | themill | or cp or dd or >. |
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| 13:03.10 | themill | s/>/./ |
| 13:03.43 | abrotman | I assumed he was looking for some windows soltuion ... why would anyone use unetbootin from linux? |
| 13:03.47 | youpoop | I like the debootstrap install method myself. |
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| 13:04.14 | themill | youpoop: you do know that the installer uses debootstrap, don't you |
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| 13:04.33 | petern_ | $ cp debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdd |
| 13:04.45 | alex_tester | is there an instruction how to install alsa and pulse from scratch (netinstall) |
| 13:04.47 | petern_ | Let's see if this works a second time. |
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| 13:04.55 | abrotman | petern_: don't forget your sync |
| 13:05.00 | youpoop | no optical drives and don't need to the full netinst.iso for deboostrap.udeb |
| 13:05.10 | youpoop | s/to the/the/ |
| 13:05.20 | abrotman | doesn't see what optical drives have to do with it |
| 13:05.41 | petern_ | Yup, second time it works. Weird. |
| 13:05.52 | youpoop | for those of us who don't dd a 200mb iso on a 32gb stick |
| 13:08.31 | youpoop | and who's network connections are only mildly better than dialup. |
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| 13:09.02 | abrotman | English fail ... |
| 13:09.55 | bal1 | How can I use block device names ( e.g /dev/sda2 ) instead of UUID for my partition layout ? |
| 13:10.37 | youpoop | change the bootloader and the /etc/fstab to use them. although UUIDs are more reliable when you have multiple drives |
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| 13:11.06 | youpoop | My desktop has PATA and SATA drives and it's luck of the draw which gets /dev/sda |
| 13:12.04 | zykotick9 | bal1: i find LABELs a easier to use then UUIDs YMMV |
| 13:12.53 | youpoop | I set UUIDs when I mkfs, so their not so cryptic. First 8 digits is the date I created the filesystem. YYYYMMDD |
| 13:13.14 | bal1 | youpoop: Well I like the "/dev/" notation more :) |
| 13:13.45 | zykotick9 | bal1: /dev/sdX change... |
| 13:13.47 | youpoop | I like not having to boot five times till the /dev/ orientation gets lucky. |
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| 13:15.30 | abrotman | zykotick9: *can* change |
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| 13:18.09 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i'd s/can/do/ - consider booting from a usb flash for a moment, doesn't the / that's booting automatically became sda? |
| 13:18.41 | MrAlexandr0 | Im trying to cp $PATHone$PATHtwo$(cat $PATHone$PATHtwo"links.txt") | xarg -n1 |
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| 13:18.49 | MrAlexandr0 | This where links.txt actually is a list of locations. But it does not merge the $PATHone$PATHtwo with the $(cat $PATHone$PATHtwo"links.txt") properly |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | zykotick9: they do not always change, they can change. I've only had one system where they change randomly (usb drive attached to a SCSI-based system) |
| 13:19.24 | abrotman | MrAlexandr0: you probably should ask #bash |
| 13:19.40 | MrAlexandr0 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:21.14 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i believe Murphy has a law about then that change will happen ;) |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | zykotick9: just saying "can" is more appropriate .. tomato tomato |
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| 13:22.44 | youpoop | for my current setup, the booted system is not /dev/sda... /dev/sda is actually the old pata drive with m$ stoof on it. |
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| 13:23.29 | zykotick9 | youpoop: ummmm, well so much for my booted / is sda... well best of luck. |
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| 13:24.11 | youpoop | if you only have one drive it'll likely be /dev/sda.. but I have 3 directly on the motherboard |
| 13:26.13 | youpoop | seems that debian-next is invite only |
| 13:26.31 | zykotick9 | youpoop: wrong irc network, try on OFTC |
| 13:26.33 | themill | wrong network |
| 13:27.45 | youpoop | Do I have to register for OFTC? |
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| 13:28.09 | youpoop | like freenode now requires to have chat ability |
| 13:28.18 | themill | freenode does not require taht |
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| 13:28.53 | youpoop | it did at one time iirc... but haven't irc'd in a long time |
| 13:29.00 | themill | no |
| 13:29.26 | youpoop | it may have been channel specific at that time, but was req'd |
| 13:29.44 | zykotick9 | youpoop: select channels require registration, but not the network as a whole |
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| 13:30.46 | p3rror | hello |
| 13:31.05 | p3rror | I have a ftp server |
| 13:31.15 | p3rror | and I have many users |
| 13:31.28 | p3rror | that I need that they have the same rights |
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| 13:32.09 | p3rror | please tell me how can I do that ? |
| 13:32.25 | p3rror | how can I have many ftp users that have the same rights ? |
| 13:32.37 | abrotman | p3rror: please use less Enter key |
| 13:32.54 | abrotman | p3rror: you might want to tell us which FTP server you're using |
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| 13:33.25 | p3rror | I don't know about FTP, maybe vsftpd or Proftpd |
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| 13:35.01 | skilz | Is there someway I can double click a font to install it? |
| 13:35.10 | p3rror | abrotman ? |
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| 13:35.33 | abrotman | p3rror: it does matter .. you should find out |
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| 13:36.07 | abrotman | p3rror: I think one of them has the ability to map an FTP user to another local user |
| 13:36.36 | p3rror | abrotman I think it is vsftpd |
| 13:36.40 | abrotman | ... |
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| 13:39.32 | petern_ | Hmm |
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| 13:39.54 | ChrisH | proftpd can map loginuser to a different OS user |
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| 13:45.10 | joltcan | I run pure-ftpd, it can do that as well |
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| 13:46.38 | d4rkt1m3s | can someone refer me to a social channel please? |
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| 13:47.08 | themill | d4rkt1m3s: #defocus perhaps? |
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| 13:49.26 | nSe | d4rkt1m3s: we have #linguistics which anything is chatted using any language. everybody get ops. that's a very interesting channel |
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| 14:01.32 | lucido | hi, I have a laptop that I'm using as a server and its screen is broken, I#d like to install debian on a hdd thats in an usb enclusure and then just connect that hdd internally with sata to the laptop and boot it up. is that possible? |
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| 14:02.35 | OpenTokix | lucido: yes |
| 14:03.30 | lucido | OpenTokix, what tool can I use to do that? |
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| 14:04.08 | OpenTokix | lucido: debootstrap should work |
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| 14:05.04 | sc30317 | hey all |
| 14:05.13 | sc30317 | when I try and install something with a tab |
| 14:05.17 | sc30317 | I get the following message: |
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| 14:05.24 | sc30317 | sudo apt-get remove [tab] |
| 14:05.25 | sc30317 | grep: /var/lib/dpkg/status: Permission denied |
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| 14:05.45 | dr0 | Does someone know why mate-terminal doesn't work with awesome wm anymore? |
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| 14:11.23 | lucido | I am following this: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap here main # mkdir /wheezy-chroot / is the root of the hdd where I want to install debian? |
| 14:11.34 | OpenTokix | sc30317: install with a tab? |
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| 14:13.14 | User916 | stu "d!ckless" lantz betrays all; trannys & queers(chaste Homos/a$$holes), rule; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_by_country |
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| 14:13.57 | sc30317 | OpenTokix, yes; |
| 14:14.01 | sc30317 | so when I start typing |
| 14:14.04 | sc30317 | sudo apt-get install |
| 14:14.06 | sc30317 | and then hit a tab |
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| 14:14.12 | sc30317 | I get that error message back |
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| 14:15.26 | OpenTokix | sc30317: as what user? |
| 14:15.32 | Budd | After a power outage and reboot with a (much newer kernel), my gateway system (Geode CPU) won't boot. |
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| 14:16.08 | OpenTokix | sc30317: intresting, I cant reproduce |
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| 14:16.22 | Budd | It gets far enough to assign an IP address and respond to pings, but all ports are closed. It's headless, so I can't watch the bootup messages. |
| 14:16.40 | OpenTokix | sc30317: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 884996 maj 5 11:48 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:16.43 | sc30317 | as my user [sc30317] |
| 14:17.06 | Budd | How can I make the bootup process dump info messages to a file? syslog does not seem to be working. |
| 14:17.10 | OpenTokix | sc30317: the statusfile whould have 644 as permissions, if it dont I guess you can change it to 644 |
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| 14:19.10 | sc30317 | OpenTokix, just changed it to 644 |
| 14:19.11 | sc30317 | will check |
| 14:19.14 | sc30317 | thanks |
| 14:20.15 | sc30317 | OpenTokix, nope; didn't change anythign |
| 14:20.17 | sc30317 | *anything |
| 14:20.24 | OpenTokix | sc30317: wierd |
| 14:20.52 | sc30317 | sudo ls -altrh /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:20.52 | sc30317 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.9M May 13 10:15 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 14:21.44 | OpenTokix | sc30317: what about /var/lib/dpkg then? should be 755 |
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| 14:22.23 | sc30317 | which file in dpkg? or the dpkg folder? |
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| 14:22.49 | sc30317 | yup |
| 14:22.50 | sc30317 | that fixed it |
| 14:22.54 | sc30317 | changed file permissions to 755 |
| 14:22.59 | sc30317 | thanks OpenTokix |
| 14:23.02 | OpenTokix | sc30317: yw |
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| 14:24.45 | drwahl | i'm trying to get debian working on my macbook pro retina 10,1. i can get it installed and blessed by EFI, but after the kernel is selected in grub, there are a few lines of boot messages and then the video "corrupts" (for lack of a better term). any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 14:25.14 | drwahl | i did the netinstall from wheezy and then upgraded the kernel to 3.14 from sid |
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| 14:25.38 | drwahl | i tried to install straight from unstable, but the install can't seem to find the wireless drivers even after i provide it he .fw files |
| 14:25.57 | wols | drwahl: what videochip? |
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| 14:28.09 | drwahl | wols: nvidia something. 650m iirc |
| 14:29.05 | lucido | ukuruz |
| 14:29.23 | drwahl | it seems like the system is freezing after the video 'corrupts'. it even happens when booting into single user mode |
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| 14:30.34 | drwahl | as a point of comparison, Ubuntu 14.04 "just works" after install (but who wants to use Ubuntu?) |
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| 14:32.18 | gdm85 | hi |
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| 14:32.49 | gdm85 | is it possible to specify a domain with subdomains like '*.example.com' for Acquire::HTTP::Proxy rules? |
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| 14:33.39 | drwahl | gdm85: i assume your asking in regards to apache. you'd be better off asking that on #apache |
| 14:33.49 | gdm85 | drwahl: APT |
| 14:34.42 | drwahl | gdm85: ah, you doing some sort of poor mans load balancing? |
| 14:35.09 | gdm85 | drwahl: nope, using an APT proxy for most packages, but for some I need to allow DIRECT |
| 14:35.19 | themill | gdm85: see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
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| 14:36.07 | gdm85 | themill: been there, says "per-host setting", thus I understand it's not possible what I am asking |
| 14:36.41 | themill | you have sufficiently many servers listed in your sources.list to want to use a wildcard? |
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| 14:38.07 | d0wn_blog | hi, i need help with a init.d script... placed it at /etc/init.d/ and run updated-rc.d scriptname defaults but when i reboot it is not executed |
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| 14:40.11 | wols | d0wn_blog: and in which rc?.d directory is it? under what name? |
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| 14:43.01 | d0wn_blog | wols: https://paste.static.lu/?a111bcd58a95b97e#D0qS9gwnRHrOVWPY85F+xUA3B6OkyPFvlxETsWN0jWk= |
| 14:43.42 | wols | d0wn_blog: so you put it in all of them? |
| 14:43.50 | d0wn_blog | yes |
| 14:44.36 | wols | d0wn_blog: your paste doesn't show anything useful since we don't know which has K and which has S entries. I suggest you edit your script to create a file when it runs, to debug it. |
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| 14:45.52 | d0wn_blog | wols: would it help if I paste the script? |
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| 14:46.53 | themill | d0wn_blog: does this thing need the network to be up before it can start? |
| 14:47.03 | wols | not necessarily. I suggest you start debugging via "echo `date` start >> /root/dnscrypt.log" inside it |
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| 14:51.35 | d0wn_blog | wols: cat dnscrypt.log |
| 14:51.35 | d0wn_blog | Tue May 13 16:47:51 CEST 2014 start |
| 14:51.35 | d0wn_blog | Tue May 13 16:48:11 CEST 2014 start |
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| 14:52.05 | SynrGy | the bigger issue with d0wn_blog's init script is, why doesn't the proprietary software vendor provide proper support for debian? if you're paying for it, you may not be getting your money's worth |
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| 14:52.31 | SynrGy | file a support request? |
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| 14:53.35 | wols | d0wn_blog: then think hard about what themill asked |
| 14:54.14 | SynrGy | this is not the sort of thing the vendor should offload onto users to solve. |
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| 14:55.05 | themill | "closed: invalid: we only support RHEL4"? |
| 14:55.11 | SynrGy | haha |
| 14:55.37 | SynrGy | well, then run RHEL4 in a VM :P |
| 14:55.53 | SynrGy | at least if-and-when you run into issues, you'll be getting support |
| 14:56.21 | SynrGy | sounds like you are rolling out some mission critical infrastructure ... you don't want to be holding the bag for support for it. |
| 14:56.43 | SynrGy | it's crucial the vendor you've chosen be on your side. |
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| 15:00.02 | Painter | d0wn_blog: http://antix.freeforums.org/secure-dns-with-dnscrypt-t3588.html - (6) Create /etc/init.d/dnscrypt & add the following: |
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| 15:01.50 | d0wn_blog | Painter: thanks for the link but it's the wrapper not the proxy ;-) |
| 15:01.51 | malmelmil | Hello, I am installing a debian wheezy live usb with xcfe on a 1.8ghz 2mb pc with about 60GB HD |
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| 15:02.25 | malmelmil | dualbooting with win7 |
| 15:02.44 | Painter | d0wn_blog: show this init script |
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| 15:03.18 | malmelmil | and I thought it would be a good idea to prepare a partitionj first so I booted live and look for Gparted but there is not ? |
| 15:03.25 | malmelmil | what is that wheezy got for this ? |
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| 15:04.10 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.18 | skilz | I want to see the IP scanning me and the ports I'm being scanned for. |
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| 15:05.11 | cusco | hey folks |
| 15:05.38 | wols | skilz: you use a IDS like snort. bad idea, but your choice |
| 15:05.57 | wols | malmelmil: it has fdisk for example |
| 15:06.06 | skilz | Why is it a bad idea wols? |
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| 15:06.20 | verodeb | hi |
| 15:06.21 | cusco | say.. we've got a machine with eth0 dhcp, and eth0:0, eth0:1 ... eth0:4 static |
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| 15:06.35 | wols | skilz: cause it's pointless |
| 15:06.41 | malmelmil | wols is the command fdisk ? |
| 15:06.42 | cusco | now, if dhcp takes a few seconds on boot, default route will be trough eth0:1 |
| 15:06.45 | cusco | :0 |
| 15:06.53 | malmelmil | If i try to run fdisk on terninal or altf2 it does not work |
| 15:06.58 | cusco | how can I make eth0:0,1,2 etc depend on eth0 ? |
| 15:07.00 | malmelmil | and I can't see it in the apps menu |
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| 15:07.03 | wols | !tell malmelmil about doesn't work |
| 15:07.17 | wols | malmelmil: hint: you need to be root to use fdisk |
| 15:07.18 | skilz | wols, how is it pointless? I want to know if someone is trying to compromise my system. |
| 15:07.29 | verodeb | if my vmstat throws |
| 15:07.30 | skilz | Also how is pointless a bad idea? |
| 15:07.32 | verodeb | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- |
| 15:07.33 | verodeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.33 | verodeb | 27 0 0 1755472 169252 9280608 0 0 0 266 6302 7458 96 3 1 0 |
| 15:07.40 | wols | skilz: no a protscan doesn't compromise your system |
| 15:07.47 | verodeb | this means a lot of disk writes? |
| 15:07.50 | malmelmil | wols: ok, but I try to sudo and it asks me for password but this is live cd and i cannot find a default password anywhere, thanks |
| 15:08.02 | malmelmil | wols: forget what i just said |
| 15:08.04 | malmelmil | jeje |
| 15:08.15 | wols | malmelmil: I'm very tempted to forget a lot more |
| 15:08.23 | malmelmil | as in life ? |
| 15:09.06 | musca | skilz: e.g. nmap -sI does an idlescan over zombierelays. http://nmap.org/book/idlescan.html |
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| 15:09.16 | malmelmil | wols, how exactly was my question vague ? |
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| 15:10.17 | wols | malmelmil: "doesn't work" is just a useless line of text here |
| 15:10.47 | wols | malmelmil: and a statement is not a question. you didn't ask a vague question but made a vague and useless statement |
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| 15:11.32 | malmelmil | did not work command not found |
| 15:11.32 | malmelmil | sudo fdisk worked, thanks |
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| 15:13.20 | malmelmil | I believe that useless is an overstatement, It is useful to know say that something is not working. Certainly not as precise and enough as you imply would be necessary. But there is no need to be hostile. |
| 15:13.53 | wols | you haven't seen me hostile yet |
| 15:14.02 | malmelmil | wov, so macho |
| 15:14.19 | malmelmil | now I understand when they say that crunchbang community is particularly nice |
| 15:14.26 | malmelmil | thanks, bye. |
| 15:14.33 | wols | !next |
| 15:14.33 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have them stuffed! |
| 15:14.48 | SynrGy | uh? hostile? this is standard triage. |
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| 15:16.05 | SynrGy | plus, people helped you *even though* you didn't describe what "doesn't work" means for you (when you were kindly told that you had not provided enough info). but i guess if you come here *expecting* hostility, everything other than the answer you were looking for looks hostile |
| 15:16.09 | musca | malmelmil: wols even gave a hint without any details provided by you. <wols> malmelmil: hint: you need to be root to use fdisk |
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| 15:16.49 | malmelmil | And I thanked him for it. But I can see the difference between someone nice and someone hostile. |
| 15:16.54 | SynrGy | no amount of lecturing is going to disabuse you of your prejudice, however. |
| 15:16.56 | malmelmil | and this person is hostile and a bit arrogant |
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| 15:17.27 | SynrGy | your perspective. i would have pointed out exactly the same issue with your request for help. and so would have any other helper here. |
| 15:17.47 | malmelmil | Could you please explain why? |
| 15:18.09 | malmelmil | I have the impression that I started my explanation of what I was trying to do with relatively precise information |
| 15:18.11 | DammitJim | what is the best way to give access to developers to a test server? |
| 15:18.27 | malmelmil | the pc, the distro, what I did not find |
| 15:18.30 | DammitJim | Does one create an account for each of them? |
| 15:18.34 | abrotman | malmelmil: if you have a problem with someone, please use /ignore, do not fill the channel with whining please |
| 15:19.04 | malmelmil | abrotman, someone talked to me, you could tell them the same |
| 15:19.12 | malmelmil | but sure |
| 15:19.14 | abrotman | I did tell you the same .. |
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| 15:19.21 | DammitJim | but how does one address them needing to work on say a tcserver where the instances are owned by tcserver:tcserver |
| 15:21.20 | wols | DammitJim: depends on this tcserver software. you could add them to the group, you could make these files owned by them and world readable,etc |
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| 15:21.32 | wols | DammitJim: how much do you trust these developers? |
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| 15:22.18 | lucido | does debootstrap take care of the partitioning of the target? |
| 15:22.51 | jhutchins | lucido: no. |
| 15:23.40 | lucido | jhutchins, so I have to create a the partitions on the target disk and mount them in the chroot, what about swap space? |
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| 15:36.37 | jhutchins | lucido: The debootstrap process won't care about that, it's using the host system's swap, but you'll want room for a swap partition on the target. |
| 15:36.55 | jhutchins | lucido: I would suggest one partition + swap. |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | or swapfile |
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| 15:40.45 | nmschulte | A while back there was a discussion about tiling WMs, and i3 was in the mix. I'm looking to ditch gnome-shell for a tiling WM, why should I prefer i3 over say xmonad? |
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| 15:41.39 | SynrGy | wouldn't their own websites explain better what the strengths of each are? |
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| 15:42.12 | nmschulte | shh. |
| 15:42.14 | nmschulte | ;) |
| 15:42.20 | SynrGy | i think asking for random opinions on irc will just net you a bunch of highly biased reports, based on whatever the favourites are of those responding :) |
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| 15:42.46 | harpyon | I have only tried i3, not xmonad, but I can make it harder for you and suggest awesome. Easy to configure (in lua), and works the way I want it to |
| 15:42.57 | nmschulte | That's likely. The discussion I recall was actually intelligent. |
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| 15:43.09 | nmschulte | Yeah, I was really fishing for a pool to look at; sorry, I should have just said that. |
| 15:43.19 | SynrGy | nmschulte: but here, let me google for you ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I3_(window_manager)#Compared_to_other_tiling_window_managers |
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| 15:43.53 | skilz | How do I see my 3Tb HFS+ drive? |
| 15:44.02 | nmschulte | Eyeballs help. |
| 15:44.04 | skilz | I installed the hfs packages |
| 15:44.23 | SynrGy | harpyon: "configure by text file" (i3) seems to be a nice selling point for those who don't want to write lua :p |
| 15:44.31 | nmschulte | skilz: like this: http://raamdev.com/2008/mounting-hfs-with-write-access-in-debian/ ? |
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| 15:44.53 | harpyon | SynrGy: it sure does, if you do know a bit of programming however, awesome is much more powerful |
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| 15:45.33 | SynrGy | to be sure. but "ditch gnome-shell for a tiling WM" sounds like an "ordinary" user seeking better solutions. (i assume the avg. user doesn't know much programming) |
| 15:45.50 | SynrGy | if any |
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| 15:47.52 | skilz | Ok |
| 15:48.00 | skilz | So how do I mount it now? Its usb |
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| 15:50.12 | babilen | nmschulte: Why don't you give i3, awesome and xmonad a try and see for yourself? All three are great window managers, but you will probably not be happy without knowing lua (easy) for awesome or Haskell for xmonad (bit harder, but easy enough for what you have to do) |
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| 15:51.41 | harpyon | So for someone who's tried both i3 and awesome, can you sell me xmonad with a sentence or two? |
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| 15:52.33 | petern_ | haskell |
| 15:53.18 | alex_on_wheezy | i want to install e18 on wheezy. is there an fast and secure possib ility |
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| 15:54.03 | alex_on_wheezy | elive works with testing |
| 15:54.35 | babilen | harpyon: xmonad had some really nice layouts, but I am not using it anymore (i3 and awesome it is now) -- take away from that what you want. |
| 15:54.51 | alex_on_wheezy | could I trust this repo: |
| 15:54.52 | skilz | How do I know what /dev my 3Tb usb drive is? |
| 15:54.53 | alex_on_wheezy | deb http://vin-dit.org/~jholland/newrepo stable main |
| 15:54.55 | jhutchins | harpyon: Try it. Only you can tell what you like. |
| 15:55.24 | jhutchins | skilz: dmesg will usually show what device it assigns. |
| 15:55.24 | harpyon | For sure. I might give it a go next time I'm bored. |
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| 15:56.20 | babilen | alex_on_wheezy: No, surely not |
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| 15:56.25 | petn-randall | alex_on_wheezy: Would you trust the maintainer of this repo with your root password? |
| 15:56.33 | alex_on_wheezy | no |
| 15:56.38 | babilen | There you go then |
| 15:56.41 | alex_on_wheezy | thats why iam here |
| 15:57.12 | alex_on_wheezy | i would to compile it on my own from src. could you help me a little bit |
| 15:57.14 | yeehi | debian provides jigdo files for assisting downloads. Why doesn't debian use zsync? (btw, i read that jigdo doesn't support live images...) |
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| 15:57.28 | DammitJim | wols, I trust them |
| 15:57.59 | wols | DammitJim: the just create them account(s). what's to think about it then? |
| 15:58.17 | DammitJim | in visudo, if I want to give access to a user to restart all services that start with nsapps2t, can I do nsapps2t? |
| 15:58.32 | DammitJim | (i.e. nsapps2t1, nsapps2t2... nsapps2t9) |
| 15:58.42 | DammitJim | other people don't trust them LOL |
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| 16:00.42 | skilz | I'm using Fluxbox and Thunar file manager. But in thunar I can't see any folder icons. What do I need? |
| 16:00.45 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Check the manpage to see what the syntax is. |
| 16:01.35 | DammitJim | I man'd visudo and didn't find anything about wildcards |
| 16:01.42 | DammitJim | what would this be called? my English is so bad |
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| 16:01.52 | alex_on_wheezy | no e18? :-( |
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| 16:02.26 | Blashyrkh | i hava a debian machine, when i start it networking is not working right. when i ping another machine i get between 50 to 80% package loss, but when i do a /etc/init.d/network restart, everything works fine. Does anyone have a clue what could be wrong here? |
| 16:02.30 | DammitJim | alex_mayorga, I have e18 |
| 16:02.51 | alex_mayorga | DammitJim: Wrong alex? |
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| 16:03.30 | alex_on_wheezy | DammitJim, how have you installed it? |
| 16:03.39 | alex_on_wheezy | package or compiled |
| 16:03.44 | DammitJim | oooops |
| 16:03.49 | DammitJim | compiled |
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| 16:04.26 | Heyyoo | Hi. I'm wondering if asrock z83 extreme 3 mainboard is supported? |
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| 16:06.02 | SynrGy | Blashyrkh: i think you mean /etc/init.d/networking restart? maybe try to narrow it down to which specific ifdown/ifup solves the issue for you so you at least know which interface is misbehaving. |
| 16:06.38 | alex_on_wheezy | DammitJim, have you got an instruction. looking for required packages |
| 16:06.52 | alex_on_wheezy | ecore ... and so on |
| 16:06.54 | SynrGy | Blashyrkh: e.g. try "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" (or whichever interface you think causes issues) |
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| 16:07.37 | wols | Heyyoo: that doesn't exist |
| 16:07.48 | alex_on_wheezy | what is libm? |
| 16:07.55 | wols | alex_on_wheezy: a library |
| 16:08.07 | SynrGy | Blashyrkh: also when the problem first starts, take a look at, e.g. "ifconfig eth0" and see if there are any errors logged on the interface. also look in 'dmesg' for any errors relating to the misbehaving interface. |
| 16:08.54 | alex_on_wheezy | wols, :-D but what is the matching one in debian .. :-D |
| 16:08.55 | SynrGy | Blashyrkh: and finally, perhaps there is some problem between your card and the switch with autonegotiation of speed? there's some tool to query that ... umm ... |
| 16:09.06 | SynrGy | mii-tool, i believe |
| 16:09.19 | DammitJim | alex_on_wheezy, I have my list, but it might have more packages than actually required |
| 16:09.24 | wols | alex_on_wheezy: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libm.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 16:09.27 | alex_on_wheezy | or is a solution to download the e17.deb and to replace the src? |
| 16:09.41 | wols | alex_on_wheezy: no |
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| 16:11.35 | skilz | Please help |
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| 16:11.57 | alex_on_wheezy | Please help, me too :-D |
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| 16:12.52 | skilz | I have a 3Tb usb hfs+ drive mounted which I am playing music off. It works then it's like it unmounts itself or goes to sleep and the music stops, I then have to click on its icon in my file manager and then it works again. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
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| 16:13.35 | wols | alex_on_wheezy: if you want help, ask a specific question. don't ask for help compiling e18, but try to do it on your own and ask for help if you encounter an actual problem |
| 16:13.36 | jelly | skilz: inspect /var/log/kern.log for clues |
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| 16:14.27 | skilz | jelly, Wow, what am I looking for? |
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| 16:15.04 | xeno | http://pastie.org/9172499 |
| 16:15.06 | jelly | skilz: that... is a very good question |
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| 16:15.26 | wols | jelly: will FUSE output errors when it then stops to the kernel log? |
| 16:15.33 | xeno | I have the screen shot still, if someone wants me to email that to them. |
| 16:15.36 | wols | or is HFS+ kernel supported? |
| 16:15.42 | muculus | which package should I install for 'mimetype' command tool? |
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| 16:15.59 | jelly | wols: fuse might not, but device disconnection would |
| 16:16.11 | jelly | due to eg. power issues |
| 16:16.14 | Blashyrkh | Thnx for the input SynrGy |
| 16:16.28 | wols | !tell muculus about search |
| 16:16.40 | Blashyrkh | i have already switched network interfaces for the same ip |
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| 16:17.04 | skilz | jelly, This is all I could see at the bottom, http://paste.debian.net/99306/ |
| 16:17.14 | Blashyrkh | but the effect is the same, after a restart misbehaving, after a network restart, or a ifdown ifup of the misbehaving interface everything fine again |
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| 16:17.29 | jelly | skilz: sorry, I don't have time to look at your dmesg now |
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| 16:17.35 | alex_on_wheezy | have i to install hal? |
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| 16:19.16 | muculus | wols: I want to know is there any general way that I find which package responsible for specific command? |
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| 16:20.13 | wols | muculus: yes. and dpkg just told you how to do it |
| 16:20.27 | wols | alex_on_wheezy: please stop messaging people |
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| 16:22.05 | muculus | wols: would you please tell me how can I find it with dpkg? |
| 16:22.28 | Nik05 | dpkg -S foo |
| 16:22.29 | dpkg | Dingos ate my foo! |
| 16:23.22 | Nik05 | muculus do you understand that was the answer to your question? |
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| 16:25.11 | muculus | Nik05: I'll try it. thanks. |
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| 16:28.43 | TheWarden | Hi, I have installed Samba 4.1.6 from wheezy backports. Where do I locate the backup and recovery script? I can't seem to find it as mentioned here, https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Backup_and_Recovery. |
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| 16:34.22 | ^v | i need halp, installed fglrx drivers according to https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary also tried https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 16:34.37 | ^v | and i am still getting Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 16:34.44 | ^v | when starting X manually |
| 16:35.06 | nkuttler | ^v: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, paste.debian.net |
| 16:35.23 | ^v | lspci|grep VGA shows VGA compatable controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9996 |
| 16:35.38 | ^v | nkuttler, how do i upload it from command line? :S |
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| 16:36.11 | nkuttler | !nopaste |
| 16:36.12 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 16:36.17 | gregor2 | i need some help |
| 16:36.28 | gregor2 | how can use mingw? |
| 16:36.34 | gregor2 | what is the right command? |
| 16:36.48 | ^v | MinGW is windows |
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| 16:37.05 | nkuttler | gregor2: if you're on windows try ##windows |
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| 16:37.49 | ^v | inb4 ##windows is not a operatable program or batch file :| |
| 16:38.25 | wols | muculus: you can't find it with the command dpkg from debian. dpkg the bot in here told you how however |
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| 16:38.41 | gregor2 | no im on linux |
| 16:38.48 | gregor2 | but i want to compile for windows! |
| 16:39.04 | ^v | http://pastie.org/9172546 |
| 16:39.15 | wols | gregor2: debian ships with mingw |
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| 16:39.30 | gregor2 | but how can i use it? |
| 16:39.33 | wols | gregor2: you install mingw and then you check its executables |
| 16:39.41 | wols | dpkg -l <package> |grep bin |
| 16:39.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |grep bin |
| 16:39.49 | abrotman | gregor2: the mingw support channels are on irc.oftc.net, they'd probably know more |
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| 16:43.03 | ^v | :O for some reason X starts now |
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| 16:44.40 | ^v | aww, original slow drivers |
| 16:45.43 | ^v | ubuntu had a magic "OpenGL hardware optimized fglrx driver" in the software center, does anyone know what that was? |
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| 16:47.01 | xeno | So it appears my problem with http://pastie.org/9172499 occurs under NAT network too. |
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| 16:50.30 | A|an | I guess this is a Gnome question: I've recently reinstalled my Debian system onto an SSD, tediously added everything I had previously, but I've noticed that now dialog windows (e.g., download dialog windows) don't have the minimize/maximize/quit buttons (you have to right-click, choose quit, instead) and the window title is almost unreadable, it's so faintly displayed. Is there some why to fix this? |
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| 16:50.44 | xeno | Say, given that http://pastie.org/9172499 is specific to Debian, how do I post a bug? |
| 16:51.01 | xeno | Usually I post bugs to launchpad, but this is not a Ubuntu bug at all, that I can see. |
| 16:51.04 | A|an | *way |
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| 16:51.46 | xeno | Nevermind. I found it. |
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| 16:56.09 | nmschulte | For those that use a tiling window manager: how do you integrate with a desktop environment, and which do you prefer? I've never used a tiling WM; in the past I ran GNOME 2, then XFCE for a good while, and now again on GNOME 3. |
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| 16:57.24 | Aspi | idk where to go, I'll ask here: bash -c "source ${PWD}/source.sh; echo ${var}" does not work |
| 16:57.40 | abrotman | Aspi: #bash perhaps ? |
| 16:57.45 | Aspi | :) |
| 16:57.49 | centrx | nmschulte, The tiling window manager is the desktop environment |
| 16:57.59 | centrx | nmschulte, Many people do not use Gnome, KDE, XFCE, or LXDE |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:58.19 | abrotman | I wouldn't agree with that at all, nor would popcon |
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| 16:58.40 | ^v | alright trying to install using the installer on the ati website |
| 16:58.52 | centrx | thinks you are misreading something |
| 16:58.54 | Aspi | nmschulte: Awesome WM ftw |
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| 16:59.24 | ^v | error: Detected X Server verion 'XServer _64a' is not supported. Supported versions are X.Org 6.9 or later |
| 16:59.30 | ^v | i dont get it |
| 16:59.47 | ^v | i cant install a newer x for some reason |
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| 16:59.59 | wols | ^v: we will not support amd.com downloaded drivers |
| 17:00.07 | nmschulte | AsumFace: I'm considering Awesome (and i3), but I fear I'm going to miss a lot of things that GNOME provides. |
| 17:00.17 | nmschulte | :( |
| 17:00.20 | wols | ^v: what is your actual radeon chip? |
| 17:00.39 | nmschulte | ^v: looks like that detection script is borked. |
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| 17:00.51 | ^v | its an APU and supposedly the mobo has a integrated gpu |
| 17:00.58 | nmschulte | ^v: Did you build your own XServer? |
| 17:01.01 | ^v | no |
| 17:01.05 | wols | no the mobo doesn't. again: what radeon chip? |
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| 17:01.28 | wols | or _any_ chip that pertains to your videocard |
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| 17:01.52 | d0wn_blog | wols: need your help again... now it works of 95% of the servers (all at debian wheezy) but one of them don't want to run the init.d script :/ |
| 17:01.52 | nmschulte | ^v: lspci -nn # will help you determine that |
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| 17:02.26 | nmschulte | abrotman: Am I off my rocker with that question, or does what I'm asking make sense? |
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| 17:02.46 | abrotman | nmschulte: No, should be possible |
| 17:02.55 | abrotman | nmschulte: I've never done it, I'm okay with mutter |
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| 17:04.04 | nmschulte | Hmm... I'm not really sure how Awesome or i3 would play with GNOME Shell in place of Mutter. |
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| 17:04.20 | abrotman | only one way to find out! |
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| 17:04.43 | ^v | wols, VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9996] |
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| 17:04.59 | CarlFK | how do I unpack a .deb? (I thought it was a tar file, but tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 17:05.03 | nmschulte | It's strange... I have what I think is GNOME 3, but I see that the `mutter` package is not installed. |
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| 17:05.09 | centrx | CarlFK, It's actually an "ar" archive |
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| 17:05.34 | CarlFK | centrx: that sounds familiar... any idea how to un-ar it? |
| 17:05.50 | CarlFK | ar x ... worked. |
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| 17:06.01 | centrx | CarlFK, Looks like it is included in binutils |
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| 17:13.46 | d0wn_blog | could someone help me with my init.d srcipt which is working one multiple servers but on one server not ? |
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| 17:25.42 | petn-randall | d0wn_blog: What happens if you run it by hand? |
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| 17:26.34 | d0wn_blog | petn-randall: seems it works also @ boot but if i log in there is no process running... |
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| 17:28.36 | max13 | anyone know how to backport wheezy kernel offline without an internet connection??? |
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| 17:29.05 | d0wn_blog | petn-randall: you have some ideas? |
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| 17:30.27 | max13 | i tried to install stable on my lap. but it didn't detect my ethernet. i tried testing and it worked. but i intend to stay with stable. |
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| 17:31.51 | Artemis3 | max13, i'd suggest you plug it to a wired port, install backport updates (ie kernel) so you can have your wifi working its the easiest and fastest method. |
| 17:32.19 | max13 | sir both my wifi and ethernet ports are not working in stable. |
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| 17:33.15 | Artemis3 | max13, then you could try using apt-offline |
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| 17:33.34 | max13 | could you please tell mewhat is apt-offline |
| 17:33.45 | Artemis3 | max13, if you are sure your wired does not work, which is often not the case |
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| 17:34.24 | Artemis3 | max13, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT |
| 17:34.55 | max13 | yes i'm sure. bcoz my rig is pretty new which has atheros 817x ethernet controller and only wheezy dosen't detect it |
| 17:35.13 | max13 | && also i'm trying to install from a netinst iso |
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| 17:35.47 | Artemis3 | max13, ah, that makes things more difficult, it might be easier to: use a larger iso, or install testing. |
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| 17:37.09 | max13 | Artemis3, are you saying that I'm stuck with testing? |
| 17:37.12 | Artemis3 | max13, im not sure if apt-offline is in cd1 |
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| 17:37.40 | Artemis3 | max13, no, just the easy way, you should be able to use stable with kernel backport just fine |
| 17:38.06 | Artemis3 | max13, your problem is simply getting the packages |
| 17:38.23 | Artemis3 | max13, some people in your situation would simply unplug the hd and use another pc :) |
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| 17:38.37 | max13 | Artemis3, Is there any way I can update my kernel offline? |
| 17:38.49 | Artemis3 | read the address |
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| 17:39.15 | Artemis3 | i hope you don't use that ipod irc client that blocks urls |
| 17:39.22 | Artemis3 | er ipad |
| 17:39.24 | Artemis3 | whatever |
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| 17:41.16 | max13 | Artemis3, I'm using a laptop. so unplugging the hd won't be easy. |
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| 17:41.58 | Artemis3 | max13, depends, if you do have the usb to hd adapter i would do it |
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| 17:42.23 | Artemis3 | its usually 2 screws and gentle pulling to take off a drive, unless yours doesn't have the access panel |
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| 17:43.32 | Artemis3 | that or learn apt-offline using a big iso, or use testing, your choice |
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| 17:44.18 | Artemis3 | remember you need mini.iso for the installer to ask if you want to install testing :) (and priority=low which is expert mode) |
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| 17:48.39 | max13 | Thanks Artemis3, for your help. I'mgonna try apt-offline first. if it fails I'll stay with testing. |
| 17:48.51 | d0wn_blog | still needs help :( |
| 17:49.00 | petn-randall | d0wn_blog: Again, what happens if you run it by hand? |
| 17:49.28 | d0wn_blog | petn-randall: it works |
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| 17:49.55 | d0wn_blog | at boot it works also but if i login there are no processes |
| 17:50.29 | petn-randall | d0wn_blog: Wait, what do you mean it works at startup? I thought no process got started. |
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| 17:53.57 | petn-randall | d0wn_blog: Please keep it on the channel :) |
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| 17:55.21 | petn-randall | d0wn_blog: My first idea would be that it's missing the proper LSB headers. e.g. it needs networking to work, but starts before the network interfaces are up. |
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| 17:55.50 | d0wn_blog | petn-randall: on another server it works fine... :/ |
| 17:56.11 | ^v | alright so my APU has a radeon HD 8470D |
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| 17:56.29 | ^v | but i dont see where i can get drivers, anywhere |
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| 17:57.08 | ^v | the open source drivers work, but they suck (mouse flickering, openGL programs crashing) |
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| 18:03.07 | Artemis3 | ^v, thats amd for you. They just don't care about linux, please avoid thair products like the plague. |
| 18:03.13 | d0wn_blog | petn-randall: any ideas? |
| 18:03.38 | ^v | atannus, :P i thought that was nvidia? |
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| 18:04.05 | ^v | i mean, i went through hell to install some nvidia drivers, but this APU shit is worse |
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| 18:04.31 | Artemis3 | nvidia is very simple to install, but if you want open source you could use intel |
| 18:05.07 | Artemis3 | amd is problems, problems, and problems, for years i see nothing more than people with problems. |
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| 18:06.23 | Artemis3 | its like, once in a blue moon, a very specific model, with a particular kernel and xorg, might just might barely run some games or such. (fglrx) or overheat with the open source driver |
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| 18:08.48 | Artemis3 | with nvidia most of the time is just install a couple of packages: linux-headers and nvidia-kernel-dkms. unless your model is so new is not supported in that version of the driver (ie newfangled 750ti) and need to use the one provided at nvidia site. |
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| 18:10.35 | Artemis3 | intel is nice but the newer toys need newer software often in testing or unstable |
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| 18:18.55 | gregc2 | if i had an atom pc and i want to install an os to the micro sd card which is in the machine how would I go about installing debian on that? Disk detect during normal install doesnt find it.... |
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| 18:21.07 | abrotman | ioudas: Seems like the controller isn't known to the installer kernel? |
| 18:21.18 | ioudas | yeah |
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| 18:23.08 | ioudas | http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/barebone_view.asp?productid=1045&proname=JBC601C9O-255W-BW intel ICH10R |
| 18:23.42 | atannus | ^v, huh? |
| 18:23.53 | aloke | What can I do if I need a new version of libc6-amd64 and it is not in the stable repo? |
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| 18:26.00 | jelly-home | aloke: typically, at that point we ask you "why" |
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| 18:26.22 | aloke | I'm install mtpfs from source |
| 18:26.24 | aloke | installing* |
| 18:26.28 | aloke | and it requires it |
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| 18:26.54 | jelly-home | unlikely! |
| 18:27.02 | Artemis3 | highly unlikely |
| 18:27.08 | aloke | jelly-home: http://roger.steneteg.org/299/mount-mtp-device-on-debian-7-wheezy/ |
| 18:27.47 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:27.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:28.36 | aloke | This is the output I get: http://pastebin.com/5BuGqaPa |
| 18:28.38 | jelly-home | aloke: I don't see your question or an explanation of it on that page. Can you show exactly what you've tried to do on your system and where it fails? |
| 18:28.49 | ioudas | hmm dmesg finds a 3.6gb card |
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| 18:29.56 | aloke | jelly-home: How do install a newer version of libc6-amd64 since I get the following output: mtpfs depends on libc6-amd64 (>= 2.2.5) |
| 18:30.05 | jelly-home | aloke: do you have logs of building the package as well? Edit debian/control in the source tree, find references to libc6-amd64 and remove them. |
| 18:30.06 | RoyK | ioudas: 3,6, a 4GB card that looks like 3,6GB? ;) |
| 18:30.36 | ^v | so there are no drivers for the radeon 8000 series? |
| 18:30.43 | ^v | exept the ones ati gives, which are broken |
| 18:30.50 | jelly-home | ,v mtpfs |
| 18:30.51 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-5 |
| 18:31.06 | Nik05 | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 18:31.07 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.4-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.4-2 |
| 18:31.24 | Nik05 | ^v those in backport dont work? |
| 18:31.27 | ^v | nope |
| 18:32.00 | ioudas | it finds it as a scsi device maps it to sda |
| 18:32.27 | ^v | this is so frustrating |
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| 18:32.55 | ^v | the one in ubuntu worked okay |
| 18:33.04 | Nik05 | which version is that/ |
| 18:33.08 | ^v | i dont know |
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| 18:33.30 | Budd | After a power outage, my Debian gateway did not come back up; it looks like the init scripts aren't getting run. |
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| 18:34.05 | Budd | Is there a simple way to get /etc/init.d/rc to dump verbose messages to a file, or do I have to hack it? |
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| 18:35.45 | ^v | crap, im going to have to install ubuntu again, arent i |
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| 18:36.13 | ^v | what does debhelper do besides set the channel limit randomly? |
| 18:36.13 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport mtpfs --fromrelease sid --torelease wheezy |
| 18:36.15 | judd | Backporting package mtpfs in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 18:36.32 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell aloke about simple sid backport |
| 18:36.59 | wald0 | is there any guide of how to install correctly a debian system from a deboostrap-created dir ? |
| 18:37.19 | wald0 | for example i noticed that i have a /etc/mtab file (symlink in fact) that doesn't exist in the chroot when i build it |
| 18:38.13 | jelly-home | aloke: since there's 1.1 in sid already, it might be easier to build from that source instead of building from a fresh dh-make template |
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| 18:43.17 | tormen | Hi. I just installed samba (apt-get install) from debian wheezy stable and /etc/init.d/samba FAILED because of missing /usr/bin/testparm, which actually is in samba-common-bin, but did not get installed with apt-get install samba. How can I verify this to be true (before filing possibly a bugreport about it) ? |
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| 18:45.14 | somiaj | tormen: what version of debian do you run? |
| 18:45.39 | aloke | jelly-home: Just tried that by adding unstable and I get the same dependcy error |
| 18:46.04 | aloke | Added unstable, apt-get update, apt-get install mtpfs |
| 18:46.27 | somiaj | tormen: do you have recemends turned off, those should be installed by default. It seems samba-common-bin is only a recomeneded package for samba-common (at least in wheezy) |
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| 18:56.18 | Slagwag | heh i find this reddit post odd. its someone who is very good at linux but he is unable to get mail systems to work |
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| 18:57.08 | tormen | somiaj: cat /etc/debian_version --> 7.5 |
| 18:57.34 | Slagwag | hehe this debian server im on is 6.0.8 |
| 18:57.36 | Slagwag | yeaaa stability |
| 18:58.40 | tormen | somiaj: but from what I saw samba-common-bin should be a "hard" dependency of samba, because of sambas /etc/init.d/samba uses testparm which is in samba-common-bin |
| 19:00.12 | tormen | somiaj: but this is empty: apt-cache show samba=2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2|grep samba-common-bin |
| 19:00.18 | tormen | somiaj: so bug ? |
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| 19:13.04 | poeticrpm | im just trying to understand this freeze policy debian has. As per this link https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html there is 3 months of freeze. Does this mean if my sources.list is set to "testing" there will be 3 months without updates until jesse is set as stable and the new testing release becomes testing? |
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| 19:14.19 | poeticrpm | I am aware testing packages come from sid. I am also aware that "jessie" and "testing" is basically the same until Jesse becomes stable and the next version becomes testing, and that sid is always sid |
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| 19:21.29 | zykotick9 | poeticrpm: don't use stable/testing in your sources.list (considered bad form), use the codenames... |
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| 19:22.06 | zykotick9 | poeticrpm: and freeze means there won't be "version" upgrades, you'll still get bug fixes as updates |
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| 19:23.45 | poeticrpm | zykotick9, alright, so I run jesse until it becomes stable, then change my sources.list to the next testing version. Ill take a batch of version upgrades, then ill roll again until that version enters its freeze where then I only get bugfixes until the new testing.. etc |
| 19:23.47 | poeticrpm | right? |
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| 19:24.31 | zykotick9 | right... |
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| 19:25.11 | poeticrpm | why is it bad form exactly? Im just trying to understand- I dont immediately see what the difference between "testing" and "jessie" is for instance? |
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| 19:26.27 | pankid | I want to use a script like this one from the arch wiki to backup my debian file server. How should I get it to run and check for file changes? Can I do this with init? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/rsync#Snapshot_backup |
| 19:26.31 | zykotick9 | poeticrpm: at some point, "testing" is going to change from jessie to "whatever is next", but you can't be sure when that will be. so long as you use codenames, you won't get a nasty surprise. |
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| 19:26.39 | OpenTokix | poeticrpm: testing ill always be testing, jessie will be the new stable |
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| 19:27.05 | sk1pper | hi all, I see some ICMP echo request from serverA to serverB, how can I find out which process is sending these ICMP packages? |
| 19:27.19 | ioudas | tcpdump |
| 19:27.26 | poeticrpm | zykotick9, right, yeah thats better form. Ill make the change, thanks |
| 19:27.46 | poeticrpm | OpenTokix, thanks |
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| 19:28.28 | sk1pper | ioudas: with tcpdump i see the packages, but i don't see which process is sending those packages |
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| 19:31.53 | KaaK | I've got a zoo of vmlinuz images from a variety of devices -- with no details about the build (no kernel config, no maps, etc). Are there any solid ways for doing introspection (name, version, machine, ...) based solely on this vmlinuz image? |
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| 19:39.31 | aguitel | any new news about extend squeeze security support ? |
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| 19:40.19 | centrx | aguitel, Like what? |
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| 19:41.02 | aguitel | centrx, it will or not |
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| 19:41.20 | centrx | aguitel, https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424 |
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| 19:43.09 | centrx | aguitel, Another point release of squeeze is also planned, from the normal release team with all architectures |
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| 19:44.06 | aguitel | centrx, need to reinstall squeeze or make apt-get upgrade ? |
| 19:44.24 | LiENUS | so am i understanding this correctly, this bug (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707551) was marked closed after a fix was posted, but the fix never made it into wheezy? |
| 19:44.32 | centrx | aguitel, You never need to reinstall to upgrade Debian |
| 19:44.40 | LiENUS | or is it still pending to be fixed? |
| 19:44.44 | aguitel | centrx, ok |
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| 19:45.54 | centrx | LiENUS, 1. Is this bug actually found in the version of the package in wheezy? |
| 19:46.27 | centrx | LiENUS, 2. Is there another bug report for this issue, tagged for wheezy? |
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| 19:47.02 | magyar | hi, trying to put my jessie install on a SAS drive with encrypted volume to sleep. When I wake the system all I get is a black screen and no activity on the SAS drives. |
| 19:47.04 | centrx | aguitel, Of course, you may want to upgrade to wheezy |
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| 19:47.29 | aguitel | centrx, not , i need gnome2 |
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| 19:48.10 | centrx | aguitel, Try KDE, XFCE, etc.? |
| 19:48.25 | LiENUS | centrx, at the moment testing a windows 8 machine is difficult at the moment (only one windows 8 machine here and its in use) but i dont see a fix to patch it in samba_3.6.6-6+deb7u3.debian.tar.gz (current version of the package on my wheezy printer server and i cant find another bug report for the issue but im not terribly familiar with the debian bug tracker hence why im asking |
| 19:48.34 | deepy | Hi, has anyone used the wheezy-pgdg repos? I'm getting a GPG Error saying NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
| 19:48.44 | aguitel | centrx, yes but gnome2 run fine in this old pc |
| 19:48.59 | centrx | LiENUS, It might have been considered a new feature, so not upgraded in wheezy |
| 19:49.02 | LiENUS | it looks like on june 12th 2013 a debian developer closed the bug and said he will be fixing it soon |
| 19:49.24 | centrx | LiENUS, Is the newer version available in wheezy-backports ? |
| 19:49.38 | LiENUS | its a patch for 3.6.6 |
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| 19:49.51 | wutGDS | can i ask you guys something |
| 19:50.22 | centrx | !ask |
| 19:50.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:50.25 | wutGDS | how many years did it take for Linux torvalds to finish his degree in the university |
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| 19:50.38 | wutGDS | Linus* |
| 19:50.41 | centrx | wutGDS, Did you look online? |
| 19:50.54 | mtn | funny debian topic :P |
| 19:50.56 | LiENUS | backports has 4.1.6 not sure where exactly samba fixed it in their tree |
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| 19:51.03 | fer755 | !topic |
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| 19:51.09 | wutGDS | yes but wikipedia says 8 years .. but somehow i dont believe that |
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| 19:51.30 | wutGDS | so centrx what do you think ? |
| 19:51.37 | LiENUS | wutGDS, why not 8 years? |
| 19:51.50 | wols | wutGDS: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 19:52.00 | centrx | wutGDS, If Wikipedia says it, it must be true. |
| 19:52.23 | LiENUS | mtn, linus owns debian doesnt he? (i am kidding) |
| 19:52.41 | mtn | LiENUS: and off-topic, too |
| 19:54.39 | LiENUS | centrx, trying to check backports if it has the fix but uh i've no idea what a .xz file is |
| 19:54.48 | LiENUS | the .orig source tree is a .tar.xz file |
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| 19:55.57 | centrx | LiENUS, The backport is about the same version as in unstable |
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| 19:56.07 | centrx | LiENUS, If that bug was closed almost a year ago, the backport surely has the fix |
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| 19:56.56 | AbsoluteBuffoon | good evening |
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| 20:01.02 | LiENUS | centrx, aye but from what i can tell the developer said it was pending for wheezy |
| 20:01.49 | centrx | LiENUS, If he said it in the bug report you linked, what he said is probably no longer correct |
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| 20:02.28 | centrx | LiENUS, That bug report is very old, so either it was added to wheezy since that time, or it's not going to be unless you can write a convincing bug report for it to make changes to stable |
| 20:03.05 | LiENUS | or he lost track of it, it looks like the samba guys tree has the fix though in the version in backports |
| 20:03.37 | centrx | Updates to stable aren't done casually. I don't know if this particular issue meets the standard. |
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| 20:06.09 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I have written a very basic driver for a USB joystick which I have compiled and then attempted to register with the Linux Kernel. Unfortunately, I seem unable to associate my basic driver with the device. I think this may be because the linux kernel has already automatically associated the hid-generic driver with my joystick. |
| 20:06.58 | AbsoluteBuffoon | To try and resolve this problem, I attempted to remove the hid-generic module from the kernel using rmmod. Sadly, this resulted in my mouse and keyboard becoming unusable |
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| 20:08.33 | jetmak | hi |
| 20:08.45 | AbsoluteBuffoon | could anyone please advise me how I can disassociate this driver with my USB joystick, without removing the hid-generic driver from the kernel? |
| 20:09.01 | jetmak | could anyone work with compiz?? |
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| 20:10.22 | rozie | AbsoluteBuffoon: rmmod hid-generic; do whatever you like like remove your module; modprobe hid-generic |
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| 20:10.50 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I have already looked in the Linux kernel source code to see if I could find the device table for the hid-generic driver. I was hoping I might be able to remove the vendor and product id of my device from the device table and then do a kernel recompile. However, I could not find this bit of code |
| 20:11.17 | userf | debian wheezy do not work on vps |
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| 20:11.34 | petn-randall | userf: O RLY? |
| 20:11.48 | rozie | you can also blacklist module. not sure if for given device |
| 20:11.52 | userf | petn-randall: something strange after upgrade does not reboot |
| 20:12.11 | rozie | userf: I'm glad my Wheezy didn't know about it |
| 20:12.46 | petn-randall | !doesn't work |
| 20:12.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 20:12.49 | AbsoluteBuffoon | rozie: thank you for your response. I have already tried rmmod hid-generic. The problem is that once I remove the hid-generic module, my keyboard and mouse are both unusable because they are both usb hid devices |
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| 20:12.57 | AbsoluteBuffoon | so I can't then do anything with my system! |
| 20:13.13 | petn-randall | AbsoluteBuffoon: You can always ssh :) |
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| 20:13.24 | AbsoluteBuffoon | ssh from a remote terminal? lol |
| 20:13.39 | somiaj | tormen: I see it as a border line case, samba-common-bin seems like it should be a hard dependency for the samba server, because the postinst script tries to start the script which then fails, but since samba-common could be installed for only the samba-clients, it is not a hard depends for other use cases of the samba-common package. I'd say a slight bug, but I think the solution might be add the hard dependency to the samba server package and ... |
| 20:13.46 | somiaj | ... keep it as a recomened on the samba-common package |
| 20:13.49 | abrotman | AbsoluteBuffoon: create a udev rule that doesn't load a driver for that USB ID .. good luck |
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| 20:15.22 | AbsoluteBuffoon | that sounds more reasonable. when you say "good luck" are you genuinely wishing me good luck or are you wittily suggesting that this might be a difficult thing to accomplish? |
| 20:15.34 | somiaj | poeticrpm: you shouldn't have your sources.list say testing, the change happens right away when the release is finalized, and as soon as that happens and a new testing branch is made the 'freeze doors' are removed and both sid and testing get a huge massive update. These first few weeks after the release testing (and sid) are extra buggy because of stuff being held off until the release happens. |
| 20:16.13 | ^v | well i cant install ubuntu because the installer wont fucking work |
| 20:16.27 | ^v | i still cant figure out how to get these drivers to work |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | AbsoluteBuffoon: I'm saying it's something you can try, I don't have experience with it. You'll have to do some research on your own |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | ^v: we don't give a shit .. wrong channel |
| 20:16.52 | ^v | i cant find any thread or wiki that explains my errors |
| 20:16.57 | AbsoluteBuffoon | ok abrotman. thanks for the suggestion, i'll have a look into it |
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| 20:19.04 | Azrael_- | hi, i try to run the following command but get the error message, "unmatched ) or \)" this is the command: sec "s/sctrans2\\)//g" test.file i want to match for a bracket. how can i do this? |
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| 20:19.33 | abrotman | Azrael_-: three \ ? |
| 20:19.42 | ^v | abrotman, i was trying to install ubuntu because for some reason the drivers it installed worked |
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| 20:19.53 | Azrael_- | garh, ok |
| 20:19.56 | Azrael_- | thanks |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | ^v: different kernel, different distro |
| 20:20.00 | somiaj | it says unmatched, doesn't that mean you ened a ( in there, or am I missing something. |
| 20:20.02 | ^v | i was going to take them and put them on debian |
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| 20:20.46 | itsMontoya | Hey! Is there anyone who can provide a link to some documentation on upstart which isn't horrible? :D |
| 20:21.03 | somiaj | ^v: why not figure out what piece of hardware you have and see if you can get it to work in debian. Mixing things just isn't going to work. |
| 20:21.11 | ChibaPet | ^v: Try #debian-mentors on OFTC if you want to package things for Debian. |
| 20:21.15 | itsMontoya | I feel like everything I'm finding is incomplete |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | ChibaPet: that's not what he's doing .. |
| 20:21.44 | ^v | well, ive gone through everything i could find on google about debian drivers for my model |
| 20:21.53 | Azrael_- | i try to match "sctrans2)" but "s/sctrans\\\)//g" doesn't seem to match it. did i miss something? |
| 20:22.03 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: #ubuntu is a better place to ask - Debian doesn't use Upstart. |
| 20:22.18 | itsMontoya | I could have sworn it did -_-' |
| 20:22.20 | somiaj | Azrael_-: are you missing a 2 in your mixing string. |
| 20:22.24 | itsMontoya | I'm on Debian, not Ubuntu |
| 20:22.25 | fer755 | Azrael try command: sec "s/sctrans2\/)//g" but i see an error on chars or \ |
| 20:22.25 | itsMontoya | Damn it |
| 20:22.27 | ^v | it either ends up to me installing the proprietary drivers in apt, which wont recognize my screen |
| 20:22.30 | abrotman | itsMontoya: it does have Upstart |
| 20:22.32 | centrx | I could have sworn ubuntu is not butter |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | but the docs are on the wiki |
| 20:22.38 | ^v | or the ati one |
| 20:22.38 | itsMontoya | Is there a preferred Daemon management for Debian? |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | or the man pages |
| 20:22.46 | Artemis3 | ^v, amd is amd, can't do much about proprietary vendors not caring for linux. |
| 20:22.47 | abrotman | itsMontoya: which version of Debian ? |
| 20:22.51 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: Did you install Upstart? You don't end up with it by default. |
| 20:22.54 | itsMontoya | Wheezy backports |
| 20:23.03 | ^v | Artemis3, then what magic did ubuntu do? |
| 20:23.05 | centrx | itsMontoya, Debian defaults to sysvinit, but upstart and systemd are available for install |
| 20:23.15 | Azrael_- | somiaj: this was an error when i typed it in here |
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| 20:23.18 | abrotman | itsMontoya: why did you change to Upstart? |
| 20:23.24 | fer755 | Azrael or command: sec "s/sctrans2/\/)//g" but i see an error on chars or \ |
| 20:23.24 | saivert | Someone try apt-get changelog linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 20:23.32 | itsMontoya | Change to upstart? |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | saivert: why? |
| 20:23.33 | Artemis3 | ^v, it's not magic, they barely tested with, again, certain kernel version, certain xorg version, and certain models. do you get it? |
| 20:23.35 | itsMontoya | From.. nothing? |
| 20:23.45 | abrotman | itsMontoya: Debian does not defualt to upstart, you had to explicitly install it |
| 20:23.52 | ^v | so im pretty much forced to use ubuntu? |
| 20:23.54 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: Right, unless you specifically installed it, you're not running it, if you're on Debian. |
| 20:23.56 | ^v | >_> fuck. |
| 20:24.02 | somiaj | ^v: again what piece of hardware can't you get working? Unless we know the actual chipset it is hard to say what the problem could be. My guess is you just need a backported kernel/drivers. |
| 20:24.03 | Artemis3 | ^v, its nothing like nvidia, amd is crap. |
| 20:24.04 | ChibaPet | Language please, ^v. |
| 20:24.21 | poeticrpm | somiaj: I see. Yeah, im just going to change to "jessie" until the next testing release has been out a month or so. I run Debian alongside arch so I aim for debian to be as stable as possible while still rolling |
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| 20:24.38 | Cactusaurus | Hey I have aa question, I'm out of livecds, without images, and a failing hard disk drive. I only have a livecd and a hdd, is there a way to install something like, node.js and node package manager the same way in a microsoft installer there's a way to change the program files location? |
| 20:25.06 | itsMontoya | Well this is stupid, it's trying to look for an ubuntu Dir |
| 20:25.09 | Azrael_- | fer755: tried this without any luck: sed "s,sctrans2\\\),,g" |
| 20:25.13 | itsMontoya | Now that I've installed Upstart. |
| 20:25.14 | fer755 | Azrael_-: or mabe the last (/ are swapped |
| 20:25.27 | ^v | amd a6-6400k apu with Radeon HD 8470D |
| 20:25.38 | Artemis3 | isn't upstart a canonical project? |
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| 20:25.40 | itsMontoya | What is recommended for Daemon management for Debian? |
| 20:25.43 | ^v | fglrx-backports diddnt work |
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| 20:25.47 | Cactusaurus | I gave up on ubuntu, I started using debian at potato, then I tried knoppix, then I tried Ubuntu before there was flashplayer. Ubuntu got really bloated for older stuff. |
| 20:25.52 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: sysvinit for now, systemd later. |
| 20:25.53 | Azrael_- | ok, it works without escaping brackets, argh |
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| 20:26.30 | abrotman | Azrael_-: I would have suspected you'd already tried that? :) |
| 20:26.33 | lassiethebrave | Hello! I'm having issues with evolution (the gnome e-mail client) in testing. It seems to be sending my local ip as the helo hostname... Could this be something other than an evolution issue? (claws and kmail work fine on the same system) |
| 20:26.42 | Artemis3 | Cactusaurus, that is true, just tested a wheezy lxde-desktop and it was using 66mb ram. |
| 20:26.54 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: something in /etc/hosts perhaps .. Why is this a problem anyway? |
| 20:27.06 | itsMontoya | Thanks Chiba, I'll look into sysvinit |
| 20:27.09 | Cactusaurus | I like fluxbox and wheezy. |
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| 20:27.18 | Cactusaurus | with my nvidia drivers completeley downclocked. |
| 20:27.32 | Cactusaurus | It's like eating raw potatos :D |
| 20:27.37 | fer755 | Azrael_-: trollin ? |
| 20:27.59 | Artemis3 | Cactusaurus, i needed something resembling win for public use :) |
| 20:28.03 | Cactusaurus | tails |
| 20:28.12 | itsMontoya | I can't believe finding docu on this stuff is so rough |
| 20:28.12 | Cactusaurus | lol how did you know what I was going to say. |
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| 20:28.20 | Azrael_- | abrotman: i admit i expected brackets to fail as they are special chars in regex and forgot, sed only uses regex with explicit parameters |
| 20:28.23 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: my mailserver wants a hostname/fqdn as helo hostname and does not want to play with evolution for this reason (as far as I can tell). |
| 20:28.24 | Cactusaurus | I made ubuntu look identicle to winxp once |
| 20:28.33 | Azrael_- | fer755: no, just overcomplicating thins right from the start |
| 20:28.34 | Azrael_- | sorry |
| 20:28.40 | Azrael_- | *things |
| 20:28.43 | abrotman | Cactusaurus: I think we can move on now ... |
| 20:28.49 | Cactusaurus | to what? |
| 20:29.02 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: I'd probably ask the Evolution guys, I think they still use irc.gimpnet.org |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: sorry, irc.gimp.org, #evolution |
| 20:29.21 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: In this case you're looking for docs on something exceedingly on the fringe. You'd be better off looking at Ubuntu docs for Upstart details - but since they'll be moving to sysvinit as well, it's probably worth your time to just do what you need in sysvinit for now. |
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| 20:29.35 | Cactusaurus | Is there a way to install files to somewhere other than /usr/local/bin and like on seperate media? |
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| 20:29.42 | ChibaPet | Since they'll be moving to systemd anyway, I meant. |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | Cactusaurus: yes, just do it |
| 20:29.52 | cat_pants | If resize2fs is hanging and strace is showing the same identical ioctl commands over and over, am I just screwed? |
| 20:29.52 | itsMontoya | Man, this is annoying lol |
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| 20:30.00 | Cactusaurus | lololol |
| 20:30.03 | ChibaPet | Cactusaurus: You could always look at GNU Stow if you want more control over package management. |
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| 20:30.46 | ChibaPet | Cactusaurus: Debian packages don't tend to go into /usr/local, so you're presumably talking about third party stuff in any event, where "install it where you want it" really is about the only worthwhile advice. |
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| 20:31.06 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: ... yeah, very quiet in there ( I alredy tried) the best advice thus far was to upgrade, from #gnome @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:31.30 | abrotman | that doesn't help :) |
| 20:31.39 | Cactusaurus | like /opt? |
| 20:31.44 | Cactusaurus | I figured |
| 20:31.56 | somiaj | ^v: well checking the amd webpage, 13.12 drivers (the version in backports) support the HD8000D series, but their release notes aren't giving me any more details as to exact cards in the series supported. |
| 20:31.56 | Cactusaurus | :c I'm gonna go |
| 20:32.02 | itsMontoya | What about something like monit? |
| 20:32.04 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: I guess I'll just keep searching and pondering why I don't just use claws-mail. |
| 20:32.07 | Cactusaurus | ttyl lovely Debian chatrooms. |
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| 20:32.23 | cat_pants | Nevermind, it finally finished :S |
| 20:32.25 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: Let's try it a different way. What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 20:32.25 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: you could use 'strace' to see where it's getting that IP instead of hostname |
| 20:32.36 | somiaj | ^v: You could compare the version that works in ubuntu and see what it is, but if you need newer than the 13.12 drivers you'll probably have to wait until the 14.x series get backported. |
| 20:32.36 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: warning, it will generate a lot of data :) |
| 20:32.50 | itsMontoya | Chiba, I'm trying to keep these GoLang scripts open |
| 20:32.50 | itsMontoya | Like, on Node.JS - we use forever |
| 20:33.20 | itsMontoya | I'm not happy with forever, so it would be nice to move everything to a language-agnostic system |
| 20:33.35 | ChibaPet | itsMontoya: Look at DaemonTools for that. Once systemd is out, that will obviate DaemonTools. But for now - DaemonTools, or maybe Monit. DaemonTools is probably more populat. |
| 20:33.36 | itsMontoya | But the big thing, is just getting this goLang script to run and stay open |
| 20:33.38 | ChibaPet | popular* |
| 20:33.42 | abrotman | itsMontoya: "chi<tab>" |
| 20:33.52 | itsMontoya | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 20:33.59 | ChibaPet | "You get the pet for free." |
| 20:34.07 | abrotman | heavy petting? |
| 20:34.12 | itsMontoya | ChibaPet: Bahaha, thanks - I'll look at Daemontools righ tnow |
| 20:34.13 | ChibaPet | There's no use. |
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| 20:34.39 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: I didn't see anything in a quick google .. that's annoying |
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| 20:36.45 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: yes indeed it is, most of what I found seems to point to issues with (old)glib and removing whitespace/comments from /etc/hosts (which did nothing btw.) and/or evolution being a bit shit. |
| 20:36.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:37.01 | abrotman | helpful, surely |
| 20:37.35 | itsMontoya | I hate Ubuntu |
| 20:37.36 | itsMontoya | lol |
| 20:37.43 | itsMontoya | Mucking up all my search results |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | ... |
| 20:38.11 | itsMontoya | I need to utilize negative keyword searches more |
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| 20:41.04 | wutGDS | so 8 years centrx is ok? just for bachelor right? |
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| 20:41.38 | abrotman | wutGDS: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 20:41.39 | centrx | wutGDS, That's not even what Wikipedia says. It says "in" eight years, and it says Masters |
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| 20:42.26 | temhaa | hi, I'm using wheezy and vsftp doesnt work offical repo 2.3.5 version. https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2013/11/msg00053.html |
| 20:42.59 | wutGDS | abrotman: chill man .. this is a debian question i think a linux question.. |
| 20:43.10 | abrotman | wutGDS: Explain how |
| 20:43.26 | wutGDS | centrx: if that includes 3 years of masters degree then its ok i think |
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| 20:43.57 | abrotman | wutGDS: this channel is for Debian support, try #defocus or #debian-offtopic, have a nice day |
| 20:44.11 | centrx | temhaa, You could do a source backport yourself of the newer version from testing/unstable |
| 20:44.21 | centrx | dpkg, tell temhaa about ssb |
| 20:45.09 | temhaa | centrx, thanks. I guess use https://packages.debian.org/sid/vsftpd. sorry I'm new in debian. how can i add backport source to my sys |
| 20:45.50 | centrx | temhaa, Follow the instructions from dpkg? |
| 20:45.52 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: woha 3 megs of strace in 20s... now, to strace(1) (also, at this point I have no idea what I'm doing) thank you for your help! |
| 20:46.17 | abrotman | lassiethebrave: it's a lot of data, I said that ... and you might not be able to find what you need from that |
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| 20:47.25 | temhaa | centrx, no, my mean; I should use offical source repo. If I add to source.list unstable repo affect all packages? |
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| 20:47.46 | centrx | temhaa, You are going to add a deb-src line, which is only for source packages |
| 20:48.00 | centrx | temhaa, Then you can comment it out when you're finished, but it does not have binary packages |
| 20:48.04 | centrx | *provide |
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| 20:48.50 | temhaa | centrx, how I do upgrade? |
| 20:48.52 | centrx | temhaa, The package will be built from source, using the libraries and versions available on wheezy, instead of using the binary package from a newer version of Debian |
| 20:49.04 | centrx | temhaa, Did you get a private message from 'dpkg'? |
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| 20:49.58 | temhaa | centrx, yes |
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| 20:50.15 | lassiethebrave | abrotman: well, in the worst case scenario I'll learn something and get to use a decent mail client again (although desktop integration would have been nice) and in the best case I might get my email tonight! |
| 20:50.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:50.32 | centrx | temhaa, So follow those steps, 1-2-3, and ask any questions you may have about it as you go |
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| 20:51.05 | temhaa | centrx, thanks |
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| 20:56.03 | LemensTS | I setup debian with 2 nics and isc-dhcp-server...I can't get the clients to have internet access on the lan. Debian has internet just fine on the wan nic....i'm not sure what to do. THe clients can ping the WAN ip just fine. |
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| 20:57.17 | LemensTS | None of the tutorials show that you tell debian to allow the lan nic traffic go out the wan nic...I would think that is something that should be setup to allow the clients to have internet |
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| 20:57.58 | brianblaze420 | isn't that metric? |
| 20:58.03 | brianblaze420 | that's how u do it in windows |
| 20:58.23 | brianblaze420 | forces it to use a certain nic |
| 20:59.33 | LemensTS | metric? |
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| 20:59.53 | abrotman | i thnik he means MTU, and no |
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| 21:00.54 | brianblaze420 | no no it's metric |
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| 21:01.43 | brianblaze420 | in windows though |
| 21:01.52 | brianblaze420 | it's in tcp/ip 4 setings |
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| 21:02.13 | Artemis3 | LemensTS, its called a router, search properly. |
| 21:03.19 | abrotman | LemensTS: You want to do NAT, lartc.org has a few docs about this, also ask #netfilter |
| 21:03.28 | brianblaze420 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-tcpip.html |
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| 21:06.11 | petern_ | Hmm, I have a KVM guest that won't boot with 2 cores enabled, only 1 :S |
| 21:06.27 | petern_ | Guest is Wheezy running systemd |
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| 21:06.53 | dondelelcaro | petern_: show us the dmesg output of boot, and /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:07.25 | petern_ | Not sure how, there's no shell. |
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| 21:09.25 | dondelelcaro | petern_: if you've managed to boot it, there should be a shell. kvm is also capable of having serial consoles, too |
| 21:10.06 | petern_ | Well it hangs during boot, there's a few dependecy failed messages, last one happens to be "Aborted start of Getty on tty1" |
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| 21:10.35 | dondelelcaro | petern_: what are you running this kvm on? what kernel? are you using libvirt? |
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| 21:11.17 | petern_ | intel cpu, stock wheezy kernel, using libvirt, yes. |
| 21:11.47 | dondelelcaro | petern_: and the host system is? |
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| 21:12.08 | petern_ | wheezy |
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| 21:12.58 | dondelelcaro | petern_: OK; both should just work. Regardless, you can use virsh or similar to create an early boot console which will show you want is going on |
| 21:13.01 | petern_ | reinstalling sysvinit on the guest, so at least i can test both sysvinit and systemd |
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| 21:14.03 | dondelelcaro | (when you use kvms, you really should configure serial consoles both in grub, the kernel, and inittab... though the latter isn't required if you're using systemd.) |
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| 21:17.26 | petern_ | (yeah, sysvinit works, hmm) |
| 21:18.02 | petern_ | Okay, not done the serial console thing in a long time, is there a Wheezy-specific way to enable this? |
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| 21:22.03 | Flaim | afternoon folks. |
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| 21:22.40 | Flaim | When booting from a 7.5 netinst amd64 CD, I get an error: no default or ui configuration directive found |
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| 21:23.36 | petn-randall | Flaim: How did you prepare the image? |
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| 21:24.05 | Flaim | downloaded it from debain.org, burned it w/ imgburn |
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| 21:25.20 | Flaim | just for kicks,I made a bootable USB off the ISO w/ lili, same error |
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| 21:26.24 | petn-randall | Flaim: Did you verify the download with the hash? |
| 21:26.43 | Flaim | thought I did, but I'll double-check to make sure. |
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| 21:28.44 | petern_ | Okay so serial console works... |
| 21:29.48 | petern_ | And sysvinit works... but systemd fails. Hmm. |
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| 21:31.26 | petern_ | http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3314/ < boot messages etc |
| 21:31.36 | petn-randall | Flaim: USB sticks are best prepared with a simple cp or dd onto the naked block device. Most "USB installer" tools mangle the image beyond recognition. |
| 21:31.39 | petern_ | Not sure where to go from here. Maybe ditch systemd though I think it should work/ |
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| 21:32.10 | Flaim | petn-randall: I'd agree, if I had a linux system at hand to use for that.. |
| 21:32.12 | jerng | hi all! short question about auth.log: for failed authentication over ssh (sshd:auth), sometimes a loginuser is given (end of line, e.g., user=root), sometimes this is not the case. anybody knows why? |
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| 21:34.06 | petn-randall | jerng: Different login errors give different error messages. |
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| 21:41.24 | _TheAvatar | should I go with nfs kernel or nfs user server? |
| 21:41.40 | _TheAvatar | 11 years ago people said "go for kernel", but... that was 11 years ago :) |
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| 21:43.28 | petern_ | Seems to be just failing to mount /var :S |
| 21:43.35 | FrozenFire | What's the best solution for public key auth out of LDAP? |
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| 21:43.55 | FrozenFire | I've seen a few solutions, and RHEL distros seem to have openssh-ldap-publickey |
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| 21:44.27 | FrozenFire | Or rather, openssh-ldap |
| 21:44.35 | FrozenFire | Which contains the right schema |
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| 21:45.45 | crackerjackz | how would i go about creating my own repository of debian packages for lan use only |
| 21:46.28 | petn-randall | crackerjackz: You want look into mini-dinstall, or if you are a little more fancy, reprepro. |
| 21:46.39 | petn-randall | crackerjackz: mini-dinstall is enough for me, though. |
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| 21:48.31 | crackerjackz | petn-randall, is it possible to take precompiled binaries from programs already installed on one device and add it to the 'repo' for another machine to install |
| 21:48.57 | petn-randall | crackerjackz: Yes. |
| 21:51.12 | crackerjackz | i hope to one day build a mesh network from the country to the city that people can communicate on even when they do not have the money for cell phone service or internet... and the repo will be there too for people to install what ever they need |
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| 21:51.48 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, open mesh project? |
| 21:52.24 | crackerjackz | i would have to get everyone from my area to chip in im not really sure how to go about it yet |
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| 21:52.48 | crackerjackz | id need people who would be willing to let me put routers and switches and what not on their property aye? |
| 21:53.44 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, no, only a very small access point and nothing else. |
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| 21:53.50 | Mousey | open mesh network? |
| 21:53.59 | crackerjackz | i need to carry the signal across a mountain |
| 21:54.01 | Mousey | s/network/pronect/ |
| 21:54.15 | Mousey | s/nec/jec/ |
| 21:54.49 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, http://www.open-mesh.com/ |
| 21:55.02 | crackerjackz | but for now though ill start with the repo |
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| 21:56.13 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, for long paths you only need 2 nodes setup like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi |
| 21:56.34 | Artemis3 | could be more if needs arise |
| 21:57.10 | crackerjackz | what if i want the whole city / county to be able to connect to it and communicate with who ever is on the network? |
| 21:57.37 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, you can with that |
| 21:57.42 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, there is no limit |
| 21:58.01 | crackerjackz | well i was thinking more along the lines of overloading the hardware |
| 21:58.28 | crackerjackz | i guess i just get more hardware as i need it? |
| 21:58.35 | Artemis3 | well the link to the outside could be an issue if there is only 1, but inside no probs at all |
| 21:58.50 | Artemis3 | anyway the more links to internet, the faster for everyone |
| 21:59.09 | crackerjackz | i dont want it to have access to the internet |
| 21:59.13 | Artemis3 | but local traffic should be quite fast from the beginning |
| 21:59.18 | Artemis3 | then it doesn't matter |
| 21:59.31 | Artemis3 | just deploy and enjoy |
| 21:59.37 | crackerjackz | all LAN only |
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| 22:00.40 | Artemis3 | they only plug to mains ac and thats all the people need to concern with, your job is configuring and or replacing the devices |
| 22:01.25 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, your servers and such go in a designated node, how the traffic reach there? thru the other nodes |
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| 22:02.36 | Artemis3 | all the people will see is tcp/ip lan (they can connect wired or wireless to their node at home |
| 22:03.15 | petern_ | ponders |
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| 22:03.38 | crackerjackz | i think it will also be a good way to get people to start using encryption |
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| 22:04.04 | Artemis3 | hard to see the appeal without internet access but good luck |
| 22:04.12 | Artemis3 | technology is there |
| 22:04.31 | crackerjackz | well its no secret that we are all being listened in on any more |
| 22:05.19 | crackerjackz | the only way to have a somewhat private and secure conversation electronically is to use encryption but even still is not fool proof |
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| 22:06.24 | crackerjackz | having your own network that you control and operate is a good start though i think talking people into using it would be the hard part |
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| 22:07.17 | petn-randall | crackerjackz: No, without encryption your don't have a tamperproof connection, especially if you have an open mesh network. |
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| 22:08.20 | petern_ | ponders... ditch systemd or ditch smp. Former is temping. |
| 22:08.21 | petern_ | +t |
| 22:08.48 | Artemis3 | i fail to see the need for systemd :) |
| 22:08.50 | ^v | ubuntu, why do you have to break grub |
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| 22:09.05 | crackerjackz | petn-randall, well i was thinking they could use a program like jitsi or pidgin with otr or pidgin-encryption plugin |
| 22:09.08 | ^v | now i have to go through the grub update crap |
| 22:09.29 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, you could play with tor i suppose |
| 22:09.34 | crackerjackz | and then configure their client to connect through the lan |
| 22:10.50 | crackerjackz | could even maybe create my own live distro with a few pieces of software already preconfigured for the network and leave them laying out in places |
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| 22:11.35 | crackerjackz | all of this is gonna be a long project though rome was not built in a day |
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| 22:12.34 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, i can say this: you have full control of the nodes, you don't have to mess with personal computer devices, the nodes can serve dhcp with the proxy, gateway, etc. |
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| 22:13.55 | Artemis3 | crackerjackz, people can just come in and use that funny wifi if they want or not, you don't touch their devices at all. |
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| 22:20.15 | khrono | I had more of a general unix question I think, but I am using debian. I am thinking about moving to a server, but I need the IP, in the future I can change the IP but for now I cannot! So I wonder if there is a way to, if I keep the current server working, use debian to forward an ip to anther ip, does that make sense? |
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| 22:21.30 | BlaDe^ | hi guys, I just did an apt-get upgrade and now I get: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000105f, you have 10001080 |
| 22:21.35 | BlaDe^ | when I run git push --- any ideas? |
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| 22:27.33 | TheWarden | Hi, how does one remove an init.d script? Is it just save to just rm /etc/init.d/some-file ? |
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| 22:28.50 | TheWarden | ahh I think its update-rc.d -f service-name |
| 22:28.55 | khrono | Why would you try to remove a init.d script? (I guess I cannot help but I just wonder) |
| 22:29.05 | TheWarden | I'm wanting to remove the service |
| 22:29.12 | TheWarden | no longer required |
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| 22:30.00 | guampa | TheWarden: update-rc.d disable servicename |
| 22:30.10 | Mousey | --^ |
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| 22:30.36 | Skyrider | Greetings all |
| 22:30.46 | TheWarden | guampa: ahh okay |
| 22:31.01 | Skyrider | I can't stick around for long, so I'll just ask.. :p.. php5-xcache 1.3.0-7 for squeeze (latest version). |
| 22:31.05 | Skyrider | Is it compatible with php 5.4? |
| 22:31.07 | khrono | So any chance I could get help with my IP forwarding question? |
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| 22:32.04 | guampa | khrono: yes you could use dnat in principle, not much debian specific though |
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| 22:32.33 | khrono | okay thanks! |
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| 22:32.39 | guampa | ##networking and #Netfilter could be best |
| 22:32.56 | khrono | ahh thanks! |
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| 22:36.11 | Skyrider | anyone? |
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| 22:37.23 | rainfyre | hey folks. I've got a questions about a thumb drive debian install. I've got wheezy installed with an encrypted lvm on an 8 gig flash drive and I'd like to migrate the whole thing over to a 16 gig card |
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| 22:38.10 | rainfyre | is there a way to do this and maintain encryption and still have a bootable thumb drive? Seems like I've done this before, can't remember how I did it |
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| 22:38.44 | TheWarden | rainfyre: image the thumb drive and then write it to the new card. However, you would have to some how expand the file system beyond the 8GB to 16GB. I'm not sure exactly how that would be done. |
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| 22:39.12 | TheWarden | and yes imaging it would still have it bootable. |
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| 22:39.50 | rainfyre | TheWarden: that's the part I'm wondering about. I used clonezilla and the new thum drive works fine, but the debian install only has 8 gigs available still |
| 22:40.05 | rainfyre | and I can't use the remaining 8 gigs |
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| 22:41.29 | Skyrider | meh.. |
| 22:41.34 | grim4593 | Do you have an unallocated space after your partition? |
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| 22:41.47 | rainfyre | grim4593: how can I tell? |
| 22:41.53 | rainfyre | gparted? |
| 22:41.54 | grim4593 | It might be possible to use something like gparted to expand the partition |
| 22:41.55 | grim4593 | yeah |
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| 22:42.09 | rainfyre | checking |
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| 22:42.28 | rainfyre | yes, 7.29 gigs |
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| 22:42.46 | elichai2 | hey |
| 22:42.53 | elichai2 | need help with installing .deb: |
| 22:42.55 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/Udt03cui |
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| 22:43.45 | grim4593 | since you migrated from your old flash drive it appears you have a backup, so you should be able to expand the volume and check to see if it works. |
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| 22:44.05 | grim4593 | though, you will need to make sure you expand the encrypted container if that is 8gigs still |
| 22:44.09 | petn-randall | khrono: Sure, you can forward traffic from one server to another, your search word is "IP forwarding". |
| 22:44.47 | khrono | okay, it was a bit over my head |
| 22:45.07 | khrono | so I wanted to confirm had the right idea |
| 22:45.47 | rainfyre | grim4593: i backed it up with clonezilla, how do I expand the volume? |
| 22:45.51 | grim4593 | well |
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| 22:46.22 | grim4593 | is the unallocated space adjacent to your existing parition or is it outside the encrypted container? |
| 22:46.31 | rainfyre | it's outside of it |
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| 22:47.34 | grim4593 | hmm |
| 22:47.39 | rainfyre | heh |
| 22:47.53 | grim4593 | so the first goal will be to expand the encrypted container. |
| 22:47.56 | rainfyre | the frustrating thing is that I've already successfully done this at least once |
| 22:47.57 | rainfyre | ok |
| 22:47.58 | rainfyre | right |
| 22:48.04 | grim4593 | same here, i just have to remember how :P |
| 22:48.09 | rainfyre | lol |
| 22:48.28 | grim4593 | let me see if i have a cheat sheet... |
| 22:48.36 | rainfyre | should I repartition the new drive so it's a larger partition then expand it with gparted? |
| 22:48.39 | rainfyre | lol |
| 22:48.49 | elichai2 | any idea? |
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| 22:49.43 | ^v | well it did the same thing |
| 22:49.49 | grim4593 | you said lvm, so I think there is a command that expands the lvm volume so the unallocated space would be inside the container, then you use the normal methods to expand your partition |
| 22:49.56 | ^v | retried the noapci thing |
| 22:49.56 | grim4593 | gimme a sec |
| 22:50.06 | rainfyre | grim4593: alright, thank you |
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| 22:51.12 | TheWarden | rainfyre: I thank that is the right direction... I'm just not aware of how to do it without say maybe using gparted. |
| 22:51.25 | TheWarden | rainfyre: I've also only used dd never used clonezilla |
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| 22:54.18 | rainfyre | TheWarden: I think I may have used dd last time too, I'm googling it up. dd and fs2resize worked in the past, but I don't know with the encryption |
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| 22:54.37 | grim4593 | yeah |
| 22:55.07 | TheWarden | rainfyre: fs2resize mmm never knew about that command. interesting. |
| 22:55.12 | grim4593 | a lot of the tutorials i have seen involve adding a new physical disk and using pgextend |
| 22:55.41 | grim4593 | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/resize-your-disks-on-the-fly-with-lvm |
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| 22:56.03 | grim4593 | something like that, except using the space following the 8 gigs you are already using |
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| 22:56.33 | rainfyre | grim4593: exactly |
| 22:56.46 | grim4593 | perhaps since it is on the same drive you can just use vgextend and have it tqake up the rest of the volume |
| 22:56.58 | grim4593 | or lvextend |
| 22:57.47 | grim4593 | try this?: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html |
| 22:58.22 | grim4593 | lvresize maybe... |
| 22:58.25 | oskar- | hi, can anybody recommend a recent and well-supported ipsec implementation for debian linux? |
| 22:58.32 | grim4593 | it seems there are a few ways to do this :/ |
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| 22:59.17 | grim4593 | http://www.tapskill.com/resize-lvm-pv-partition/ |
| 23:00.53 | rainfyre | ok, gonna try a couple things |
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| 23:06.49 | TheWarden | well good night all |
| 23:06.53 | TheWarden | rainfyre: good luck. |
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| 23:12.05 | meek_geek | i just felt that debian stable xfce is a better slower than Xubuntu 14.04 on my AMD C-60 APU based laptop. Can the older kernel be an issue ? |
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| 23:20.38 | LordDeath | is it alright to recommend debian to a linux novice who has a laptop with one of these relatively new AMD Kabini APUs? |
| 23:21.35 | LordDeath | I don't think that stable support this new hardware so what is the lesser evil? a novice on testing/sid or just pointing him over to the recently released Ubuntu LTS? |
| 23:22.23 | nkuttler | LordDeath: fwiw, a backported kernel might support it |
| 23:22.45 | LordDeath | hm, I did not think about stable + the backports repo... |
| 23:24.32 | nkuttler | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:24.33 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.13+56~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.13+56; sid: 3.14+57 |
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| 23:28.49 | meek_geek | is jessie stable enough ? |
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| 23:29.47 | sandman13 | ,v iceweasel |
| 23:29.48 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.5.0esr-1; sid: 29.0.1-1 |
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| 23:30.17 | sandman13 | okay |
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