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| 00:34.06 | mdim | ... from Debian Wheezy |
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| 00:40.03 | aguitel | mdim, use command dd |
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| 01:22.20 | sheap | sooo I accidentally deleted xfce4 package and now apt-get autoremove wants to just wipe out everything. I reinstalled xfce4 package but autoremove still thinks everything is garbage. Is there a way to make apt see that those packages are needed? |
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| 01:31.23 | jiohdi | apt-get install -f |
| 01:31.47 | jiohdi | or try aptitude |
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| 01:50.42 | ebfull | how can i figure out the runtime path of pulseaudio running under my user |
| 01:50.52 | ebfull | http://pastie.org/pastes/9173775/text?key=tn7oq6xq67q7buliiava |
| 01:51.28 | ebfull | it's not in /var/run and I don't think it's ~/.pulse/ |
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| 01:52.36 | module000 | ebfull: look at /proc/<pid_of_pulse> |
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| 01:53.30 | module000 | ebfull: either `cmdline` or `environ` should contain what you want within that dir |
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| 01:55.50 | martianixor | hi |
| 01:55.54 | grim4593 | (rainfyre): any luck? |
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| 01:57.57 | ebfull | module000: thx |
| 01:58.14 | martianixor | I've been away for quite a while was wondering what's the default audio driver now? as I didn't have sound after an update |
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| 01:59.58 | martianixor | forgive me guys I'm not sure where to begin |
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| 02:01.28 | zykotick9 | martianixor: do you happen to have more then one sound device on your system? "cat /proc/asounds/cards" does it list more then one? is 0 your "real" soundcard right now? |
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| 02:02.09 | martianixor | zykotick9: yes I think I have 2 |
| 02:02.31 | martianixor | zykotick9: I also purged pulseaudio and alsa |
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| 02:02.58 | zykotick9 | well, that would explain why you have no sound... best of luck. |
| 02:03.15 | martianixor | zykotick9: haha no I did that just to install a fresh audio driver |
| 02:03.34 | martianixor | zykotick9: meaning I did that after I found NO sound output in the speakers |
| 02:03.45 | ebfull | maybe one of your devices was muted or something |
| 02:03.51 | ebfull | you should bring pulseaudio and alsa back |
| 02:03.56 | ebfull | and use pavucontrol to check it out |
| 02:04.14 | martianixor | ebfull: Nope in fact I used to compile my own alsa each time I update the kernel |
| 02:04.32 | zykotick9 | thinks uninstall/reinstall is _almost_ always useless in gnu/linux world (though popular with another OS) |
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| 02:05.38 | martianixor | zykotick9: sure as a system administrator soon to become system engineer I totally agree with you |
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| 02:07.07 | martianixor | zykotick9: and I thank you actually cause I was looking for how to find out the cards, I forgot that it's asound/card instead of sound/card |
| 02:07.29 | martianixor | s/card/cards/ |
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| 02:08.26 | martianixor | ebfull: I'm trying to understand what exactly is going on, is pulseaudio using alsa? or how is it working exactly? |
| 02:09.00 | ebfull | pulseaudio does use alsa |
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| 02:09.26 | zykotick9 | martianixor: pulse ALWAYS uses ALSA. Pulse replaces ESD, NOT alsa. |
| 02:09.55 | martianixor | zykotick9: thanks for confirming that |
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| 02:10.39 | martianixor | so I'll try again now reinstalling the components hopefully after purging old configurations it will function again |
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| 02:11.55 | zykotick9 | martianixor: fyi, starting with wheezy, i personally had a lot of sound issues (when i had more then 1 sound device, the 2nd in my case was for a tv-capture card), showed me - how little i knew about sound in gnu/linux... best of luck. |
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| 02:13.35 | martianixor | zykotick9: yes it can be very confusing sometimes with 2 cards, but also the mixer allows me to choose which one to use, as well as applications like "mplayer" you can pass it the " -ao put_whichever_here " |
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| 02:14.41 | zykotick9 | martianixor: while true, i _never_ got iceweasel to use any sound other then card 0, from /proc/asound/cards... again best of luck... i'm NOT good with sound stuff... |
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| 02:16.41 | themill | hello: don't irc as root. |
| 02:16.47 | martianixor | zykotick9: it has been a while to be honest with you since I tinkered with issues with sound, but if I got iceweasel to use card1 I'll definitely let you know :) |
| 02:16.58 | dvs | hacks hello |
| 02:17.29 | zykotick9 | martianixor: TBO, it's no longer an issue for me... down to just one sound device. but thanks anyways. |
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| 02:18.12 | martianixor | zykotick9: you're welcome but it can be very useful if you like to try applications like Mixxx with 2 different cards :) it's so much fun |
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| 02:19.42 | martianixor | oh well ... can make you hungry too |
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| 02:21.03 | martianixor | grins evily and makes a woohooooo sound, it's working IT'S WORKING !! |
| 02:21.20 | martianixor | thanks guys sound is working now :) |
| 02:21.46 | zykotick9 | martianixor: fyi, but be aware, after a reboot, it might stop again... :( |
| 02:22.11 | martianixor | zykotick9: I highly doubt it ;-) |
| 02:22.19 | dvs | no, he's right. |
| 02:22.19 | martianixor | brb let's try |
| 02:22.33 | zykotick9 | martianixor: if it does, see if the cards have changed order in /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:23.03 | martianixor | Oh that ... I see |
| 02:23.18 | martianixor | yeah happened once with me with my drives |
| 02:23.26 | martianixor | sorry meant network cards |
| 02:23.40 | martianixor | I'll check and tell you guys brb :) |
| 02:24.06 | zykotick9 | martines: i wouldn't bother, 10 reboots might be fine, but on the 11th = problems |
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| 02:24.50 | zykotick9 | did LOTS of rebooting to get sound working after wheezy was released. REALLY should have gotten around to writing udev rules for it... |
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| 02:30.37 | zykotick9 | martianixor: i wouldn't bother, 10 reboots might be fine, but on the 11th = problems |
| 02:30.50 | martianixor | zykotick9: n1 |
| 02:30.58 | martianixor | meant nice one ;-) |
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| 02:32.21 | martianixor | zykotick9: but to have to realize that the reason I rebooted is just to see how the latest upgrade gone :) and I had to modify udev policies once due to changes in NICs on my old Desktop |
| 02:32.30 | martianixor | you* |
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| 02:33.28 | martianixor | ebfull: I'm wondering if you're experiencing the same with pavucontrol but I can't see the buttons in the bottom of its window |
| 02:34.18 | martianixor | ebfull: I think there's one, cause I move with my keyboard tab to highlight it but I can't see it |
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| 02:41.28 | skilz | I have a Windows 7 partition on this drive, how do I know what /dev/sd* it is so I can mount it? |
| 02:41.48 | dvs | skilz: fdisk -l |
| 02:42.09 | martianixor | dvs: isn't there a way to display the sizes in human readable format? |
| 02:42.34 | zykotick9 | skilz: if you use GPT, "parted -l" works the same way (fyi, both need root or sudo) |
| 02:42.57 | dvs | martianixor: i's readable to me. |
| 02:43.51 | skilz | Thanks |
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| 02:44.05 | martianixor | dvs: back in time I remember using a cli paramter with it that turned out the KB, M, GB format can't remember how though |
| 02:44.39 | martianixor | dvs: thanks anyways :) |
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| 06:13.07 | skilz | How do I make my boot console look like this? http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Linux-graphical-bootsplash_1.jpg |
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| 06:36.44 | skilz | Hello?? |
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| 06:37.34 | tormen | somiaj: Thanks! (samba, yesterday ;) ""but I think the solution might be add the hard dependency to the samba server package and ..."" <<< that's what I suggested in Bug#606320 ... even though I am /not/ sure if I did the right thing re-opening this bug :( ... |
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| 06:37.58 | tormen | skilz: Hello!! |
| 06:38.13 | skilz | Hey guys I'm using an Apple wired numeric keyboard http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-apmb110lla?cm_mmc=google-_-pla-_-Apple-_-APMB110LLA&cm_mmca3=conversion&cm_mmca9=columbus&CAWELAID=620015440000141614&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=620015440000023917&cadevice=c&gclid=CKqyn67dqr4CFZcTvQodKRYASA But it's not switching vt's when I press ctrl+alt F*. How do I fix this? |
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| 06:42.39 | tormen | skilz: You could maybe have a look with showkey. For me here : CTRL = 29, ALT = 56, F2 = 60. |
| 06:42.41 | jelly-home | skilz: do the keys you press actually emit Control and Alt codes? Use xev in X to take a look, or showkey in console |
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| 06:43.42 | skilz | jelly-home, Yes xev says Control_L and Alt_L |
| 06:44.10 | jelly-home | and F1 ? |
| 06:44.22 | skilz | Ahh |
| 06:44.32 | skilz | XF86MonBrightnessDown XF86MonBrightnessUp |
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| 06:44.42 | skilz | Here in lays the problem |
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| 06:50.07 | tormen | skilz: Hehe. Yes, that's an option to the keyboard driver when you are on a MAC ... |
| 06:50.58 | skilz | They are suppoed to be F1 and F2 |
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| 06:53.39 | tormen | skilz: not on a MAc, they are ;) |
| 06:54.05 | themill | skilz: if you look at the pictures on the keys, they show "brightness up" etc. It's behaving in precisely the annoying way it was designed to |
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| 06:57.24 | skilz | themill, How can I change the key map binding? |
| 06:59.10 | themill | there may well be a way of doing it for the entire keyboard rather than having to do it key-by-key. (personally, I'd take it back and buy a keyboard that's actually nice to type on, but hey...) |
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| 07:12.12 | skilz | themill, I love this keyboard. The keys feel soft and nice to type on and it's quiet. |
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| 07:14.33 | JasonWoof | I'm running unstable on my desktop. I'm surprised that the version of chromium with the security hole fixed is still not installable on 32-bit x86 |
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| 07:15.05 | JasonWoof | should I be running 64-bit? and if so is it reasonable to upgrade in place? or do I need to wipe / and reinstall? |
| 07:15.42 | JasonWoof | I've seen on a chart or two recently that amd64 is now more popular than i386 |
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| 07:16.45 | JasonWoof | I chose i386 (with pae) when I installed debian on this machine (3-ish years ago) because I figured compatibility would be better |
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| 07:17.08 | JasonWoof | but now I'm guessing most debian developers run amd64 on their laptops/desktops |
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| 07:18.10 | JasonWoof | do you think that switching to amd64 will make it harder for me to do anything (eg run stuff in wine, virtualbox, etc?) |
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| 07:18.22 | bazhang | no |
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| 07:19.33 | JasonWoof | bazhang: no it won't make anything harder or no I shouldn't switch? |
| 07:19.35 | AimHere | Well switching to amd64 will involve a little jiggery-pokery with multiarch |
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| 07:19.49 | petern_ | So what is it that isn't fixed in 32bit? |
| 07:19.59 | petern_ | That seems a little unlikely to me, tbh. |
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| 07:20.55 | JasonWoof | petern_: there was a security advisory about chromium. The fixed version is not installable on i386 arch because a dependency (libudev0) is unavailable |
| 07:21.49 | JasonWoof | petern_: things being harder on 64-bit seems unlikely? |
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| 07:23.56 | epitamizor | anyone know the option to cycle the grub menu each boot? |
| 07:23.56 | petern_ | chromium depends on libudev0 >= 146, libudev0 is at 175-7.2 |
| 07:24.10 | JasonWoof | my computer was a PowerPC running linux for several years, and now I want to run the most compatible hardware/architecture possible :) |
| 07:24.42 | petern_ | So there should be no reason you can't install it. Maybe you have held packages or some other conflict. |
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| 07:25.26 | JasonWoof | petern_: I don't see i386 in the download section here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libudev0 |
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| 07:25.43 | petern_ | sid? |
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| 07:26.40 | bazhang | <JasonWoof> I'm running unstable on my desktop. <--- petern_ |
| 07:27.30 | petern_ | Ahhhhhh |
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| 07:27.49 | petern_ | JasonWoof, unstable does NOT get security support. Updates happen when they happen. |
| 07:27.58 | JasonWoof | sorry, I could have reiterated that. |
| 07:28.22 | petern_ | And also this channel only supports stable. |
| 07:28.30 | JasonWoof | sure, I have no beef with updates happening when they happen (I appreciate that people give their time so much) |
| 07:29.02 | petern_ | And according to that page, it's not avaiable on amd64 either. |
| 07:29.15 | JasonWoof | but it's got me wondering if most debian developers are running amd64, and if because of that, I'd be better off on amd64 |
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| 07:29.38 | bazhang | if you have the hardware use 64bit |
| 07:29.48 | bazhang | no reason not to |
| 07:29.53 | petern_ | chromium in unstable depends on libudev1 |
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| 07:29.58 | themill | You could either get libudev0 from snapshot.debian.org or get chromium from sid |
| 07:29.59 | JasonWoof | petern_: yeah, chromium: dep: libudev0 (>= 146) [i386], dep: libudev1 (>= 183) [amd64] |
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| 07:30.34 | JasonWoof | themill: chromim from sid on i386 deps on libudev0 >=146, which doesn't exist |
| 07:30.48 | JasonWoof | well, it doesn't exist for i386 |
| 07:31.18 | themill | yeah, so get it from snapshot.debian.rg |
| 07:31.45 | JasonWoof | oh, I was asuming it never did exist for i386, I'll check now |
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| 07:32.18 | themill | it's in the process of being replaced by libudev1 |
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| 07:33.16 | petern_ | /usr/bin/ld.gold: fatal error: out/Release/chrome: mmap: failed to allocate 2237643016 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory |
| 07:33.23 | petern_ | ^ that's why chromium isn't updated for i386 ;p |
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| 07:33.40 | JasonWoof | yeah |
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| 07:34.11 | JasonWoof | it's hard for me to fathom, but chromium needs more memory to build than exists in the 32-bit memory space |
| 07:34.28 | themill | yep |
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| 07:34.59 | JasonWoof | and yet I try to fathom it anyway |
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| 07:35.18 | petern_ | But yeah, I can't think of many reasons to still be running 32 bit on 64 bit capable hardware. |
| 07:35.33 | themill | istr chromium-dbg being the biggest package in the archive too |
| 07:35.35 | petern_ | Low memory is probably the only one, but that's not common. |
| 07:35.57 | JasonWoof | petern_: I have 4GB of ram |
| 07:36.04 | petern_ | Plenty |
| 07:36.26 | JasonWoof | yeah, 3GB of that is usually caching the HD |
| 07:36.46 | petern_ | Ah, you're not a Gnome/KDE user then... |
| 07:36.52 | JasonWoof | hehe, nope |
| 07:37.07 | JasonWoof | running an obscure tiling window manager (spectrwm) |
| 07:37.44 | petern_ | Mind you most of the current graphical browsers can take up a huge wodge by themselves too :S |
| 07:37.45 | JasonWoof | and running xcompmgr to add 25% transparency to non-focused windows, so it's not too austere |
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| 07:38.18 | petern_ | Transparent tiled windows? Hmm. |
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| 07:38.55 | JasonWoof | petern_: yeah, modern browsers tend to be hogs. I just used baobab to find where my HD space was going, and found some somewhat sizeable caches from chromium |
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| 07:39.42 | JasonWoof | I really like the transparency effect. I wasn't always noticing the borders, but I rarely try to type into a window that I can see through somewhat |
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| 07:40.44 | themill | (no, libreoffice-dbg wins that at 3835513) |
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| 07:49.49 | Matip | Hi |
| 07:50.01 | Matip | do you happen to know any ToDo list por postit panel for xfce? |
| 07:51.07 | sandman13 | ,v libreoffice |
| 07:51.08 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.1.4-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.1.6~rc2-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.4-2 |
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| 07:52.02 | sandman13 | ,v kde |
| 07:52.03 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
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| 07:56.43 | bazhang | kde5? |
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| 07:57.39 | themill | no, versions of debian-only metapackages that are built entirely separately aren't useful |
| 07:58.05 | meek_geek | anyone using debian testing here ? |
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| 07:58.35 | babilen | meek_geek: You are probably looking for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:59.02 | babilen | meek_geek: But to answer your question: Yes, somebody in here is using testing. |
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| 08:03.38 | Skyp | Hm, still no squeeze-fix for the current tty-kernel-bug available... is there a timeline? |
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| 08:05.41 | eg0x | hey guys. anyone knows when this will be fixed? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0196 |
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| 08:06.33 | Skyp | eg0x: hehe ;) I just asked the same thing, quite a critical bug e.g. for shared hosting systems |
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| 08:07.26 | eg0x | yea, i got some servers running here and some dudes rly panic about that ;) |
| 08:07.51 | Skyp | For real critical systems we installed the wheezy-kernel with apt-pinning, but that's kinda dirty |
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| 08:08.49 | eg0x | there will be a fix in a couple of days *optimistic smile* :D |
| 08:08.56 | Skyp | The problem is probably that the official kernel-patch does not apply to the 2.6er-series without further modifications |
| 08:09.04 | Skyp | some things changed since then |
| 08:09.29 | Skyp | otoh, it should not be too hard to put a lock around the write |
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| 08:12.33 | eg0x | got a sys here, running 7.5 with a 3.2.0 kernel - when searching for newer kernels via apt all i get is 3.2.0. is that normal behaviour? should i be able to get a newer kernel? |
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| 08:13.27 | babilen | eg0x: It has been fixed |
| 08:14.03 | babilen | eg0x: Just upgrade your kernel packages to 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 -- this is also clearly noted on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0196 |
| 08:14.23 | eg0x | i would do that but i got a little problem with that |
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| 08:14.32 | babilen | eg0x: What is that? |
| 08:14.34 | Skyp | babilen: we were talking about squeeze |
| 08:14.38 | eg0x | described in my posting from 10.12.33 |
| 08:14.56 | eg0x | i cant see 3.2.57 in my apt cache search |
| 08:15.13 | babilen | Skyp: Yes, the kernel in squeeze has not been fixed yet. Sorry, couldn't see any indication that you are talking about squeeze in eg0x's messages and I didn't see yours. |
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| 08:15.49 | eg0x | ok, so i just wait for a squeeze fix then? |
| 08:16.01 | Skyp | babilen: oh, hm... you are right, I only assumed he is talking about squeeze-systems, too, since he is still waiting for a fix ;) |
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| 08:16.23 | babilen | eg0x: Could you run "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" and then "apt-cache policy PKG" for all packages listed there? (make sure to run apt-get update beforehand) |
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| 08:16.36 | eg0x | http://pastebin.com/NRmDZe3Z |
| 08:16.40 | babilen | eg0x: Are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
| 08:17.04 | eg0x | babilen, i posted some output i got on pastebin |
| 08:17.08 | babilen | eg0x: Would you mind running the commands I gave you and use http://paste.debian.net rather than pastebin? |
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| 08:17.10 | Skyp | linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 is the right one |
| 08:17.21 | babilen | Skyp: You don't know that. |
| 08:17.27 | eg0x | babilen, for sure :) |
| 08:17.35 | babilen | it is likely, but not certain |
| 08:18.32 | Skyp | under the presumption that his package-list is up to date |
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| 08:18.47 | Skyp | And the repository he uses ;) |
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| 08:19.19 | eg0x | i did a apt-get update before using the commands given. output: http://paste.debian.net/99422/ |
| 08:19.41 | eg0x | when trying to use the second command i got a "Paket PKG not found" |
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| 08:20.29 | eg0x | http://paste.debian.net/99423/ my sources.list. |
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| 08:22.04 | eg0x | do i have a problem? |
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| 08:38.00 | Skyp | eg0x: hm, looks ok |
| 08:38.13 | eg0x | fine then ;) |
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| 08:38.19 | eg0x | thank you |
| 08:38.23 | antithesis__ | Why is it impossible to mix stable and testing repositories, and use multiple versions of the same libraries next to each other? |
| 08:38.44 | babilen | eg0x: Oh dear ... You shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list |
| 08:38.44 | Skyp | Did your update work now? |
| 08:39.07 | eg0x | babilen, what should i use instead? |
| 08:39.17 | Skyp | your distro-name would be better, yes |
| 08:39.19 | babilen | eg0x: Oh, and please switch from ftp.debian.org to a local mirror (such as ftp.de.debian.org) or a metamirror (such as http.debian.net) |
| 08:39.20 | eg0x | Skyp, didnt do any update yet |
| 08:39.24 | Skyp | wheezy |
| 08:39.29 | Skyp | but its the same for now |
| 08:39.37 | babilen | eg0x: You should use "wheezy" not "stable" -- you want to be in control when you upgrade to jessie |
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| 08:40.11 | babilen | eg0x: So, what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" give you now? |
| 08:40.41 | babilen | (once you've fixed those errors and ran "apt-get update") |
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| 08:42.16 | eg0x | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/99426/ |
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| 08:42.48 | babilen | eg0x: So you already use the fixed version |
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| 08:43.14 | eg0x | babilen, now i can sleep in peace, thank you very much |
| 08:43.23 | babilen | eg0x: Well, make sure to reboot |
| 08:43.34 | babilen | (it doesn't help if you don't actually run/use that kernel) |
| 08:43.51 | eg0x | yep, will do that |
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| 08:48.38 | cunik_ | hello there, is there some reason why dh_python2 drops version from requires.txt and does not include them to Depends? |
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| 08:49.44 | themill | cunik_: you probably want #debian-python over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:52.16 | cunik_ | themill: thanks, I was looking for that channel and could not find it.. and now I do.. magic |
| 08:52.24 | themill | :) |
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| 08:54.03 | hid3 | Greetings. Is there any way to minitor a directory, so that if a file or a dir gets created in it, the event would be logged. Can this be dome with 'auditd'? |
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| 08:56.29 | skilz | How do I make my boot console screen like like this? http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Linux-graphical-bootsplash_1.jpg |
| 08:56.34 | skilz | Is it hard? |
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| 08:58.11 | themill | hid3: inotify can do that for you (inotifywait in scripts or incron as a job interface) |
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| 08:58.38 | CissWit | skilz: not that hard, there's a couple of tutorial online on how to have a nice bootsplash |
| 08:58.59 | babilen | Skyp: A fixed squeeze kernel will be pushed to the mirrors very soon |
| 09:00.42 | hid3 | themill: thanks. But any clues if that can be done with old-good linux audit daemon? |
| 09:01.11 | themill | no idea |
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| 09:01.30 | hid3 | OK, I'll dig further then |
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| 09:02.11 | SynrG | I thought inotify supplanted crappy older polling methods |
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| 09:02.30 | SynrG | So i don't know what is good about being old |
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| 09:05.13 | hid3 | well, almost all my servers in the estate have auditd running, so implementing inotify would require additional effort in comparison to some auditd modifications. That's why 'old-good' is good here :) |
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| 09:05.40 | themill | hid3: inotify is in-kernel, it's not an extra daemon to implement |
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| 09:16.32 | car | hi. sometimes is see innodb_buffer_pool_size , then i see loose_innodb_buffer_pool_size. does anyone know whats the difference? |
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| 09:19.17 | babilen | car: #mysql is probably a much better channel |
| 09:19.27 | babilen | (for that question) |
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| 09:20.42 | car | babilen: yeah ure right. thought it is maybe an debian issue... |
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| 09:27.28 | wrksx | hi there, I was trying to "aptitude install php5-curl" |
| 09:27.54 | wrksx | but I had an error 404 not found for "Err http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main php5-curl amd64 5.3.3-7+squeeze18" |
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| 09:28.44 | Skyrider | Hia all |
| 09:28.54 | themill | ,v php5-curl --release squeeze-security |
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| 09:28.55 | judd | Package: php5-curl on i386 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19 |
| 09:29.01 | themill | wrksx: looks like you need to 'apt-get update' |
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| 09:30.02 | wrksx | themill: is that different from aptitude update ? |
| 09:30.05 | Skyrider | Is it possible (and wise) to install wheezy packages on a squeeze machine? |
| 09:30.19 | Skyrider | I know it's possible now.. but, is it wise to do so. |
| 09:30.29 | petn-randall | Skyrider: possible, yes, wise, definitely not. |
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| 09:30.37 | Skyrider | crap.. |
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| 09:30.52 | themill | wrksx: same thing |
| 09:30.53 | petn-randall | Skyrider: What problem did you try to solve? |
| 09:31.05 | Skyrider | I'm wanting to run xcache on php 5.4 |
| 09:31.17 | Skyrider | But for sq, it's quite outdated. |
| 09:31.36 | Skyrider | Dreamhost (of where the VPS comes from) had php 5.4 pre-installed, so I could easily switch to it. |
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| 09:31.43 | themill | Skyrider: when you're running oldstable, the solution to old software is to upgrade to the stable release |
| 09:32.07 | Skyrider | Ya.. I'm managing the VPS, but not the owner.. I've read the upgrade guide.. but what if I break stuff :p. |
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| 09:37.40 | wrksx | should I upgrade before installing a new package ? |
| 09:37.53 | wrksx | aptitude upgrade I mean |
| 09:38.44 | wrksx | ouch seems like I'd bettre upgrade first =) |
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| 09:39.09 | petn-randall | wrksx: It's always a good idea to install the security updates if you're fine with a little downtime (e.g. apache restarting). |
| 09:41.03 | wrksx | petn-randall: I'm fine with it for now, thx. How to deal with it when you try to avoid downtime ? (production webserver) I suppose there's no way around, just need to do it at night or when trafic is low ? |
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| 09:41.17 | hermesbird | what would be the correct way to switch from the AMD Catalyst 13.12 from the wheezy-backports repo to the AMD Catalyst 14.10 on the AMD website on Debian Wheezy? |
| 09:42.01 | hermesbird | it tells me to reboot after uninstalling fglrx-driver from the repos, but if I do that, I'm unable to use the graphical setup for Catalyst 14.10, as there is no open-source driver for my HD7970 avialable on Wheezy yet |
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| 09:43.05 | gdm85 | uhm..the dnsmasq package on debian wheezy is a bit broken. it doesn't cleanup properly and then fails to reinstall /etc/init.d/dnsmasq and other core files |
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| 09:43.11 | wrksx | aptitude wants to update firmware-linux-free. Is that sensitive ? |
| 09:43.35 | lost_in_space_55 | wrksx: Well you can have 2+ webservers, and DNS failover if one is down. Or just manage the routing yourself internally. |
| 09:44.16 | wrksx | lost_in_space_55: you mean it is possible to keep one Apache serving while the other is restarting ? |
| 09:44.25 | wrksx | lost_in_space_55: on the same machine ? |
| 09:44.32 | gdm85 | wrksx: prolly he means separate machines |
| 09:44.37 | lost_in_space_55 | wrksx: Sure, if you synchonize the databases and files on two machines |
| 09:44.55 | OpenTokix | dns is not active failover |
| 09:45.11 | wrksx | lost_in_space_55: I understand. But there's no solution with only one server. |
| 09:45.22 | OpenTokix | lost_in_space_55: for it to be automatically you need some kind of loadbalancer, haproxy, nginx, apache forward proxy, ipvs or such |
| 09:45.44 | babilen | wrksx: You can either use a high-availability setup that allows your load-balancer to redirect requests to other nodes while one of them is restarting or you will have downtime |
| 09:46.10 | petern_ | Hmm, how can I diagnose why systemd is hanging on boot of this kvm guest? I get as far as knowing what's not working but not why. |
| 09:46.23 | babilen | wrksx: No, there is no solution with just one server. It is either running or not, there is no middle ground :) |
| 09:46.32 | wrksx | babilen: ok so the solution seems to have at least two load-balanced servers |
| 09:46.39 | babilen | petern_: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ |
| 09:46.40 | OpenTokix | petern_: mount the guest filesystem and check the log |
| 09:46.51 | wrksx | babilen: yeah thank you |
| 09:46.55 | babilen | wrksx: Yes (which is a nice thing to have for other reasons too) |
| 09:46.57 | lost_in_space_55 | There's ksplice if you don't want to reboot the whole server for kernel updates |
| 09:47.09 | lost_in_space_55 | Though better to put other measure in place instead imo |
| 09:47.24 | wrksx | babilen: I fear to jump to file and DB sync beetween two servers |
| 09:47.43 | petern_ | babilen, thanks |
| 09:48.01 | wrksx | what about the firmware-linux-free package, should I take special care before updating ot ? |
| 09:48.11 | wrksx | is it kenel related |
| 09:48.12 | wrksx | ? |
| 09:49.06 | babilen | wrksx: db sync is easy with a master/slave setup (trivial in MySQL and PostgreSQL) - what do you refer to by "file" ? |
| 09:49.10 | Skyrider | Can you upgrade from squeeze to wheezy without any loss of configuration? |
| 09:49.35 | Skyrider | eg.. when I upgrade stuff works without problems. |
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| 09:49.52 | wrksx | babilen: get the webapp files deployed on both machines |
| 09:49.55 | petern_ | Hmm... I can't enable the debug-shell because... systemd isn't running. Okay... |
| 09:50.11 | petern_ | Oh, maybe it just doesn't exist. |
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| 09:52.05 | babilen | petern_: Try booting with "systemd.log_level=debug" and no "quiet" |
| 09:53.14 | babilen | wrksx: There are different ways ... You can use a shared/network filesystem, you could sync it with, say, lsyncd from a master server, simply deploy sequentially to both, ... |
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| 09:53.48 | manus | hi there |
| 09:53.52 | manus | hi there |
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| 09:54.32 | manus | do you know how can I know which device is assigned to a specific pci port? |
| 09:54.39 | babilen | Skyrider: It's impossible to answer that question. Debian tries *very* hard to ensure that upgrades between major versions are working without problems, but it is impossible to ensure that everything behaves identically afterwards as you are, after all, installing a new major version. |
| 09:55.05 | Skyrider | :-\ great.. |
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| 09:55.09 | Skyrider | so I'm stuck with Squeeze. |
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| 09:55.16 | wrksx | babilen: seems quite accessible, thanks for sharing your experience. |
| 09:55.36 | babilen | Skyrider: No, you are not -- Do you have any reason to believe that whatever it is you do with that box won't work with wheezy? |
| 09:55.40 | wrksx | aptitude upgrade always get me swetting when it comes to linux image |
| 09:55.40 | rjsalts | Skyrider: not necessarily, take a backup of the system and test the programs you care about |
| 09:56.28 | Skyrider | The problem is that the box is tied to the dreamhost control panel. I'm not the 'owner' of the VPS, so if anything goes wrong, it might take ages to fix it. |
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| 09:56.44 | babilen | wrksx: I'd say that linux-image upgrades are the easiest ... I start to sweat when we roll our new PHP or MySQL versions (is the developer really sure that her code works with PHP > 5.2 ?) |
| 09:56.44 | Skyrider | I can't alter the domains either. |
| 09:57.09 | manus | nobody knows? |
| 09:57.24 | rjsalts | Skyrider: take the backup, work on that in a virtual machine on your own computer, if everything goes smoothly proceed with the backup on the VPS |
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| 09:57.54 | Skyrider | Is there a quick way for me to export / import the important configuration files? |
| 09:57.56 | wrksx | babilen: ahah when it comes to php upgrade I can't swet anymore I'm tetanized |
| 09:58.35 | Skyrider | including all packages installed. |
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| 09:58.49 | rjsalts | Skyrider: most things should be in /etc/ or /var/lib by policy |
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| 09:59.21 | babilen | dselect: tell Skyrider -about aptitude clone |
| 09:59.21 | petern_ | babilen, this is "all" I get: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3315/ |
| 10:00.02 | petern_ | babilen, oh, this fails with 2 or more cores allocated to the guest. 1 core only boots fine. |
| 10:00.23 | wrksx | babilen: How to handle php's upgrade and code breaks ? The only procedure I know is to test upgrade on a test server, because I suppose it is very tough to downgrade. |
| 10:00.24 | Skyrider | So I'll get Debian Squeeze first. |
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| 10:00.57 | babilen | wrksx: Repeatedly beat PHP developers with a wooden bat? |
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| 10:01.40 | wrksx | babilen: lol I'm my own dev so I can't berat myself ;-) |
| 10:01.52 | babilen | petern_: Hmm, interesting. Do you get even more with systemd.log_target=console ? |
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| 10:02.26 | babilen | petern_: But then I would probably have to ask you to join #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net for further help with this |
| 10:03.07 | petern_ | Ah, yes I do |
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| 10:05.07 | babilen | wrksx: The way to do it is to simply have local test environments (use a complete test suite and trigger builds/tests with jenkins if you want to go all "hipster") and test your code on all PHP version you want to deploy on. |
| 10:05.36 | wrksx | babilen: that's what I though. Clean and secure |
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| 10:05.48 | wrksx | but i'll never find enought time to go that way =) |
| 10:06.10 | babilen | wrksx: It is just that "We need *exactly* PHP 5.3.3" or "Our code absolutely needs PHP 5.5.12 and wouldn't work with PHP 5.5.11" are some of the more common comments we get to hear. |
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| 10:12.18 | lost_in_space_55 | babilen: That's bizarre, wouldn't expect API alterations within the same major version. But you never know. |
| 10:13.01 | themill | see also: php |
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| 10:18.01 | lost_in_space_55 | Hmm apparently that's the case, some software we use requires PHP 5.3.3, and when I looked it up it's because PHP fundamentally changed how constructors work in that minor version |
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| 10:19.03 | babilen | lost_in_space_55: see?! |
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| 10:19.30 | babilen | (but I made up the 5.5.12 vs 5.5.11 example) |
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| 10:22.46 | elichai2 | need help: |
| 10:22.49 | elichai2 | http://pastebin.com/Udt03cui |
| 10:23.12 | babilen | chuckles at "--force-depends" |
| 10:23.32 | elichai2 | babilen: what? |
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| 10:23.54 | twothree | Hey Guys |
| 10:23.57 | babilen | elichai2: "--force-*" is almost always a recipe for disaster |
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| 10:24.03 | twothree | Anyone here who knows about ssmtp? |
| 10:24.14 | babilen | twothree: yes |
| 10:24.29 | elichai2 | babilen: yeah but this package meant to work on all the dirstros so they said to use it with force |
| 10:24.30 | babilen | dselect: tell twothree about ssmtp |
| 10:24.59 | twothree | Got that from google too...:) |
| 10:25.31 | twothree | I just keep on getting the error "Cannot connect to <google-smtp>:587" |
| 10:25.42 | twothree | can ping and nc to the smtp though |
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| 10:26.03 | twothree | and checked the configuration on a completely newly installed virtual machine...worked instantly |
| 10:26.15 | twothree | I just running out of ideas where to search for the problem... |
| 10:27.24 | elichai2 | babilen: so? |
| 10:27.33 | twothree | Sry, the precise error message is "send-mail: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587" |
| 10:28.05 | babilen | elichai2: I have no idea about their package and only support Debian packages in here |
| 10:28.42 | elichai2 | ok... :( |
| 10:29.12 | elichai2 | the problem is that they don't know how to fix the problem because they don't know debian well |
| 10:29.57 | themill | that's quite plain from the --force-* recommendation |
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| 10:34.03 | SynrG | Don't know or don't care? Wow, with that kind of bad advice i would seek a different alternative. |
| 10:34.22 | SynrG | It's not like there aren't any. |
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| 10:35.04 | elichai2 | SynrG: yes it is lol if would knew what is this package... |
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| 10:36.44 | twothree | Don´t mean to interrupt, but u got any idea on the ssmtp Problem, guys? It looks like ssmtp isnt even trying to connect to the smtp-server, but supplying the error-message straight away... |
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| 10:40.36 | SynrG | ,v origami |
| 10:40.37 | judd | Package: origami on i386 -- jessie: 0.7.4-1; sid: 0.7.4-1; wheezy: 0.7.4-1 |
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| 10:41.35 | SynrG | elichai2: i didn't deeply look into it, but i think origami is folding-at-home for debian |
| 10:41.57 | elichai2 | SynrG: yes, but you know curecoin? |
| 10:42.07 | SynrG | no idea |
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| 10:42.34 | elichai2 | so it's their project, you get reward for foldding |
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| 10:44.17 | SynrG | twothree ... |
| 10:44.19 | SynrG | gah |
| 10:44.33 | SynrG | anyway, https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78775?hl=en |
| 10:44.41 | SynrG | hate it when they run away like that |
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| 10:44.55 | manus | hi guys |
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| 10:45.22 | manus | nobody knows how can I see which port corresponds to my devices? lspci doesn't provide that info |
| 10:45.27 | doihaveto | hi do i have to use mouse clicks for klipper paste, aren't there any keyboard solutions to this (or anything better) |
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| 10:47.12 | themill | doihaveto: what do you mean? |
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| 10:48.58 | doihaveto | i'm simply trying to get copy/paste functionality between everything with klipper but i can't find keyboard bindings |
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| 10:49.44 | themill | doihaveto: klipper is a clipboard manager. It doesn't change the way copy and paste works normally |
| 10:49.54 | doihaveto | how do i paste at all ? |
| 10:50.06 | elichai2 | how can i install PAM? |
| 10:50.07 | themill | depends on the application. Ctrl+V or Ctrl+Ins are common |
| 10:50.08 | petn-randall | doihaveto: ctrl+v? |
| 10:50.11 | manus | nobody? |
| 10:50.30 | doihaveto | not in terminal, no, i said "everywhere" including this |
| 10:50.41 | themill | doihaveto: which terminal? |
| 10:50.58 | petn-randall | manus: Sounds like an XY problem, what are you trying to do / find out? |
| 10:51.18 | petn-randall | manus: If I care about which physical ports it's connected to, I just open the chassis. |
| 10:51.23 | doihaveto | klipper with konsole or xterm |
| 10:51.33 | elichai2 | anyone? PAM? |
| 10:51.35 | petn-randall | s/I/I'd/, since I seldomly care. |
| 10:51.51 | themill | doihaveto: klipper is irrelevant to this. konsole uses Ctrl+Shift+V. No idea about xterm these days. |
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| 10:52.34 | manus | petn-randall: I get a "928-FATAL PCIe ERROR PCIe error detected slot 4 completion timeout " at bios sometimes |
| 10:52.39 | elichai2 | SynrG: ? |
| 10:52.42 | manus | and I'm wondering what's this slot 4 |
| 10:53.07 | manus | petn-randall: isn't there a way to find it without open the case? |
| 10:53.39 | themill | elichai2: what are you really trying to do? (you'll already have pam installed) |
| 10:53.49 | elichai2 | https://code.google.com/p/google-authenticator/wiki/PamModuleInstructions |
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| 10:54.18 | elichai2 | themill: i want a lockscreen with multi-factor authentication |
| 10:54.39 | themill | ,v libpam-google-authenticator |
| 10:54.40 | judd | Package: libpam-google-authenticator on i386 -- jessie: 20130529-2; sid: 20130529-2 |
| 10:54.44 | petn-randall | manus: Know we're talking. In the BIOS? Do you get anything similar in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 10:54.52 | themill | elichai2: not in wheezy though. |
| 10:54.55 | petn-randall | s/Know/Now/, can't type for shit today. |
| 10:55.19 | elichai2 | themill: i can selfcompile it, but then how i add it to lockscreen? |
| 10:55.48 | manus | petn-randall: yes, in the bios.. this happens when I'm using an application. Sometimes, the machine reboots itself |
| 10:55.51 | elichai2 | redraw |
| 10:55.52 | elichai2 | ops |
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| 10:56.12 | manus | going to check there |
| 10:56.26 | themill | elichai2: you'd have to add it to the relevant /etc/pam.d/ file. I don't know what your screensaver asks pam for. |
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| 10:56.52 | elichai2 | oki'm using XscreenSaver |
| 10:57.00 | petern_ | manus, if it's failing at that low a level, you might as well just rip it open. |
| 10:57.01 | elichai2 | (if you have better one i would like to hear) |
| 10:57.06 | themill | elichai2: there's /etc/pam.d/xscreensaver |
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| 10:58.07 | manus | petern_: well, you're right but I just wanted to know if there was a way |
| 10:58.18 | manus | to do it without open it |
| 10:58.27 | manus | programmers are lazy :) |
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| 10:58.40 | petern_ | Not really because the bios saying "slot 4" may not correspond with any particular hardware ids. |
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| 10:58.52 | petern_ | dmidecode might tell you |
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| 11:00.53 | manus | petern_: with that I get the bus address of the device and the slot so maybe I can do a sort of mapping.. let's check.. thanks |
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| 11:37.34 | b0bi | Hi, In debian 7, which apt-get package I need to install in-order to get smbmount? |
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| 11:41.50 | lost_in_space_55 | b0bi: Isn't that deprecated? I think try cifs-utils |
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| 11:49.42 | Skyp | babilen: this is good news, thx ;) |
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| 11:52.04 | debi4n | i just apt-get something and why isn't shell recognizing /bin/something alias without the location... |
| 11:52.10 | debi4n | how do i refresh that |
| 11:52.23 | jelly | debi4n: in bash, hash -r |
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| 11:53.04 | jelly | debi4n: see "help hash" |
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| 11:55.10 | debi4n | it's still not working.. weird |
| 11:55.11 | jelly | wald0: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual pick your architecture, look at Appendix D. paragraph D.3 |
| 11:55.24 | debi4n | it's /usr/sbin actually but that shoudln change anything |
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| 11:55.49 | jelly | debi4n: normal user will not have /usr/sbin in their PATH by default |
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| 11:58.15 | jelly | wald0: don't take those instructions too literally, some of the suggested options may be outdated (static /dev? LILO?) |
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| 11:59.49 | D1390 | hi, I want a wlan0 AccesPoint to do nat and exit thru a ppp0 (a vodaphone-huawei 3G modem launched by sakis3G script). Whenever I reboot the machine it wont work, i suspect it is that the wlan0 accesspoint gets up before having the ppp0 up and the iptables-restore does not work. how can i make it work |
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| 12:01.55 | petn-randall | D1390: iptables doesn't care if the interface is up or not. |
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| 12:04.57 | Hayro | pingme |
| 12:06.02 | D1390 | petn-randall: how can i check if my rules have been imported on loading the wlan0? |
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| 12:07.27 | petn-randall | D1390: How are you loading them? |
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| 12:11.16 | D1390 | in the file /etc/network/interfaces i have a section that does as follow: auto wlan0 ifacewlan0 inet static address 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.ipv4.nat |
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| 12:12.33 | petn-randall | D1390: Please use a paste service such as http://paste.debian.net (for readability). What output do you get if you run 'ifup wlan0'? |
| 12:12.54 | D1390 | petn-randall: the rules where exported from earlier iptables execution |
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| 12:13.52 | D1390 | petn-randall: ifup: interface wlan0 already configured |
| 12:14.27 | D1390 | i use hostapd and udhcpd packages |
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| 12:15.16 | petn-randall | D1390: ok, run 'ifdown wlan0' first then. I want to see the error message you get when bringing up the device. |
| 12:15.32 | D1390 | I can see my Access point and the ssid is visible but i donget the dhcp on the computers that try to acces and they get disconnected |
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| 12:16.28 | petn-randall | D1390: One step at a time. :) |
| 12:16.54 | D1390 | petn-randall: ifdown and then ifup... i get no messages |
| 12:17.25 | petn-randall | D1390: And iptables everything is set? |
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| 12:20.02 | D1390 | petn-randall: this is my ifconfig result right now after what you said: paste.debian.net/99465 |
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| 12:21.42 | yalex | hello, having trouble joining an AD domain, klist and wbinfo return results but getent is only showing local grousp |
| 12:22.12 | petn-randall | D1390: I was asking if the iptables rules got set by the 'ifup wlan0'. |
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| 12:24.13 | D1390 | petn-randall: this is the file I try to restore onto iptables: paste.debian.net/99466 and this the sudo iptables --list: paste.debian.net/99469 |
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| 12:24.58 | D1390 | petn-randall: i believe it is not being loaded |
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| 12:25.59 | petn-randall | D1390: It is being loaded. The filter table (the default) shows all rules you have, and 'iptables -t nat -L -vn' will show you the NAT rule. |
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| 12:28.42 | toString | hi |
| 12:28.55 | toString | i've a raid1 with two disk array |
| 12:29.06 | toString | i'd like to transform it in a raid0 |
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| 12:29.11 | abrotman | eh .. why? |
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| 12:29.29 | toString | like detaching one member of the array and reattach it "in raid0" |
| 12:29.43 | toString | abrotman: ? |
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| 12:30.06 | abrotman | toString: You're aware that RAID0 has no redundancy? |
| 12:30.30 | toString | yes |
| 12:30.44 | toString | but i need more space over redundancy |
| 12:30.47 | abrotman | Just making sure, not everyone understands that |
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| 12:31.04 | toString | the sensibile data are backupped regurarly on a remote server |
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| 12:31.26 | toString | the big data can be lost in case of failure |
| 12:31.27 | toString | no matter |
| 12:31.31 | abrotman | backed up? :) |
| 12:31.42 | Skyp | toString: its probably much easier to create a separate filesystem from the detached raid1-disk |
| 12:31.43 | toString | abrotman: lol |
| 12:31.44 | toString | yes |
| 12:31.55 | toString | Skyp: so two disk, two partition |
| 12:32.05 | toString | one to mount wherever i want |
| 12:32.07 | toString | is it? |
| 12:32.15 | Skyp | yes, otherwise you would have to resize the original filesystem, too, etc |
| 12:32.21 | petn-randall | toString: If it's a mdraid, you can simply reshape it from RAID1 to 0, though I really don't recommend that. |
| 12:32.25 | Skyp | much hassle, without much gain |
| 12:32.47 | toString | i'd go to the Skyp solution |
| 12:32.49 | toString | no raid |
| 12:32.52 | toString | wait |
| 12:33.07 | toString | if a detach a disk from raid1, the remaining one is degrade |
| 12:33.11 | toString | degraded |
| 12:33.14 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 12:33.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:33.17 | toString | can i keep it so? |
| 12:33.23 | toString | sorry |
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| 12:33.29 | Skyp | you should "grow" it to one disk with mdadm |
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| 12:33.53 | petn-randall | toString: Is it now a mdraid or not? |
| 12:34.00 | D1390 | petn-randall: where are the ppp0 and wlan0 in there? |
| 12:34.04 | toString | is it, petn-randall |
| 12:34.18 | Skyp | sth like mdadm --grow -n 1 /dev/mdx |
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| 12:34.55 | toString | Skyp: if i do so i shouldn't have to update grub, should i? |
| 12:35.09 | petn-randall | D1390: Not listed since you're not using -v |
| 12:35.33 | Skyp | if you keep the first bios-harddisk this shouldn't be necessary |
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| 12:36.36 | toString | i'll do. it seems a painless solution. and if something goes wrong, i've the backup for what i care |
| 12:37.02 | Skyp | Good luck then ;) |
| 12:37.10 | petn-randall | D1390: Read 'man iptables', the sections to -v, -L and -t. |
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| 12:38.09 | petn-randall | D1390: http://netfilter.org/documentation/index.html is also a good primer to iptables if you're more interested in it. |
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| 12:40.52 | skilz | How do I make my boot console screen like like this? http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Linux-graphical-bootsplash_1.jpg |
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| 12:41.32 | borg3 | skilz Didn't you get an answer a few hours ago about that? |
| 12:41.59 | skilz | Maybe, I've been out |
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| 12:43.14 | borg3 | │10:56:34 skilz | Is it hard? |
| 12:43.17 | borg3 | │10:58:10 themill | hid3: inotify can do that for you (inotifywait in scripts or incron as a job interface) |
| 12:43.19 | borg3 | │10:58:38 CissWit | skilz: not that hard, there's a couple of tutorial online on how to have a nice bootsplash |
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| 12:44.11 | petern_ | 11 years old, that. |
| 12:44.30 | petern_ | Do people still care what their boot up looks like? |
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| 12:46.10 | meshuggah | petern_, yup |
| 12:46.17 | petn-randall | "19 August 2002" that's close to 12 years. Imagine, Google didn't exist back then. |
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| 12:46.36 | meshuggah | 2002 is like yesterday |
| 12:46.49 | meshuggah | there was not even yahoo when i began going on internet |
| 12:47.11 | petn-randall | Oh yeah? I used a modem to access the internet for the first time. |
| 12:47.19 | meshuggah | lol |
| 12:47.22 | meshuggah | i hope so |
| 12:47.25 | petn-randall | prepares for a e-peen fight. |
| 12:47.29 | babilen | Get off my lawn! (and into #debian-offtopic) |
| 12:47.29 | meshuggah | first modem i used was 150 bauds |
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| 12:47.48 | petn-randall | drags meshuggah to #debian-offtopic. |
| 12:47.54 | meshuggah | meh |
| 12:48.33 | petn-randall | You fight like a dairy farmer! |
| 12:48.34 | meshuggah | debian and ubuntu are the fastest channel where we get offtopic warning |
| 12:48.41 | meshuggah | but i am a dairy farmer |
| 12:48.46 | meshuggah | moo |
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| 12:49.19 | meshuggah | how is the latest debian? should i try it? |
| 12:49.31 | petn-randall | meshuggah: wheezy is pretty stable, yes. |
| 12:49.34 | meshuggah | been like 5 yr old i did not used it |
| 12:49.35 | petern_ | petn-randall, I took the date from the Boot logging line ;p |
| 12:49.47 | meshuggah | stable sure it is |
| 12:49.54 | meshuggah | but is it still an old dinosaur? |
| 12:49.54 | jiohdi | meshuggah, you can run testing, its mostly stable... just set your updates for stable and it does not break |
| 12:50.06 | petn-randall | petern_: I see. Duke nukem was created in less time. |
| 12:50.13 | meshuggah | few months ago i tried testing, but dunno the install shitted |
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| 12:50.42 | petn-randall | Generic arm waving is generic. |
| 12:51.21 | meshuggah | my windows7 and mouse accidently reformated my sabayon installation and i am borred to death maybe i should retry debian |
| 12:51.29 | meshuggah | was my first linux love |
| 12:51.46 | jiohdi | meshuggah, you can change etc/apt/sources.list to testing where it says wheezy, run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 12:52.15 | jiohdi | laters |
| 12:52.28 | meshuggah | jiohdi, do you suggest me to do all normal update first? |
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| 12:52.51 | meshuggah | wheezy update |
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| 12:54.37 | meshuggah | i need to download only the first DVD image right? |
| 12:54.49 | petn-randall | meshuggah: Only the netinstaller. |
| 12:55.18 | jelly | meshuggah: do you use wifi for your network needs? |
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| 12:55.43 | meshuggah | jelly, no |
| 12:56.04 | jelly | the first cd or dvd will probably be fine, then |
| 12:56.26 | meshuggah | thank |
| 12:56.35 | meshuggah | i will download the dvd 1st, i am not in a hurry |
| 12:58.17 | meshuggah | and i want the nice blootsplash image with all the text, i want to be 31337 |
| 12:59.48 | toString | Skyp: i have to make raid0, or i could not share the hdd capacity to all users in the same size |
| 13:00.20 | petn-randall | toString: You could also simply add storage ... |
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| 13:00.50 | toString | petn-randall: remote server, i can't add any storage. 2x1TB is all i got |
| 13:01.22 | petn-randall | toString: What is your contingency plan if one of the disks releases the magic smoke? |
| 13:02.25 | toString | petn-randall: i've remote backup of the few megabytes i care. the rest is just a repository of replaceble data |
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| 13:03.23 | toString | if one of the disk fails, i'd call the provider, let it change the disk and the import the backup. the rest are owncloud stored files i can upload again |
| 13:03.52 | Zzeiss | What's a good drawing package? Anything better than Inkscape? I want pretty gradients, fogs, etc. |
| 13:03.57 | petn-randall | toString: So you're willing to start from scratch if that happens again? Then proceed, I guess. |
| 13:04.08 | meshuggah | Zzeiss, the gimp? |
| 13:04.42 | toString | petn-randall: i care more for more space available than to avoid starting from scratch ;) |
| 13:05.14 | Zzeiss | meshuggah: Actually, no. I want "objects" that I can move around and tweak once they're realized. |
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| 13:05.42 | meshuggah | corel draw? |
| 13:05.44 | petn-randall | Zzeiss: inkscape can do gradients and fogs. |
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| 13:19.07 | harrison | gadients and frogs |
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| 13:25.57 | thingamabob | hi, where can i find on the filesystem the MD5 of the debian files |
| 13:25.58 | thingamabob | ? |
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| 13:26.21 | themill | dpkg: tell thingamabob about debsums |
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| 13:26.44 | BackEndCoder | does packages.debian.org have a mirror ? |
| 13:26.46 | BackEndCoder | its down for me |
| 13:27.21 | thingamabob | themill, yes, but were can i compare the sums? |
| 13:28.01 | themill | that's what debsums does |
| 13:28.02 | petn-randall | thingamabob: Did you really read the factoid? |
| 13:28.09 | thingamabob | ok i get it thaks |
| 13:28.12 | thingamabob | thanks |
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| 13:31.45 | gregor_ | hi |
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| 13:36.37 | mintgreen__ | is zfs filesystem supported? |
| 13:37.49 | Blashyrkh | i have a problem with a debian installation, after a restart networking only works really bad with lots of dropped packages when testing with ping etc. But after a /etc/init.d/networking stop && start everything works fine. ip a and ip r give the same output too |
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| 13:39.21 | Blashyrkh | any idea where i should start looking |
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| 13:42.19 | coreb1te | Blashyrkh: use debian stable or testing? |
| 13:42.33 | antithesis | Why does Debian break when half your packages are from Stable, and half from Testing? |
| 13:42.51 | spyder | some symbols are not showing in iceweasel http://imgur.com/EmBdyaA |
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| 13:42.57 | spyder | can you help me |
| 13:43.10 | zykotick9 | !tell antithesis about frankendebian |
| 13:43.11 | coreb1te | Blashyrkh: I had the same problem on debian stable |
| 13:43.40 | mintgreen__ | how to get zfs fuse? |
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| 13:44.27 | coreb1te | my solution was change the kernel, if I use the kernel 3.12 in backports always work fine |
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| 13:44.32 | antithesis__ | !tell antithesis__ about frankendebian |
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| 13:44.43 | tkl2 | Hello guys |
| 13:45.01 | tkl2 | Anyone who can tell me why this line won´t work? |
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| 13:45.21 | antithesis__ | zykotick9 I was wondering about the technical details as to why it's impossible. I don't need help fixing it. |
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| 13:45.42 | tkl2 | $SSH -i $KEY $USER@$HOST "sleep 5 && Datum2=$(/bin/date +%s --reference=/vh/ordner/hs/dataimport/daten)" |
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| 13:46.05 | tkl2 | I just get file or folder not found :-/ |
| 13:46.35 | bhuddah | lol |
| 13:46.41 | bhuddah | tkl2: single quotes! |
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| 13:46.53 | bhuddah | tkl2: you execute the inner statement before the outer. |
| 13:47.24 | tkl2 | $SSH -i $KEY $USER@$HOST 'sleep 5 && Datum2=$(/bin/date +%s --reference=/vh/ordner/hs/dataimport/daten)' <<<------ ????? |
| 13:47.44 | bhuddah | tkl2: think so. at least this is what i ran into last week, because i didn't think for a second ^^ |
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| 13:47.55 | themill | antithesis__: there are inevitably dependencies that will be missing in that sort of mix. It's also entirely untested and people aren't interested in working on it. The mixed system is supposed to work just enough to finish the upgrade, no more. |
| 13:48.10 | tkl2 | bhuddah: nice one ;) |
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| 13:48.32 | bhuddah | tkl2: np. would have taken a moment longer if i wasn't a victim of that myself ^^ |
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| 13:49.41 | spyder | some symbols are not showing in iceweasel http://imgur.com/EmBdyaA, can anyone help me correct it? |
| 13:49.45 | antithesis__ | themill but if the Stable dependencies are available for a regular Stable system, why not for a mix? |
| 13:49.53 | antithesis__ | Again, I'm purely trying to gain an understanding |
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| 13:50.54 | tkl2 | bhuddah: damn another problem in that script |
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| 13:51.48 | themill | antithesis__: it's the lack of correct versioning on the dependencies that will be the problem. foo has Depends: bar, you have bar 0.9 installed. apt is happy. foo actually needs bar 1.0 but no-one realised because no-one tested it. |
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| 13:53.30 | tkl2 | bhuddah: Am i able to "take" product of $Datum2 outside of the SSH connection? |
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| 13:53.34 | antithesis__ | themill so when you install foo from testing, why can't it fetch the dependency bar from testing as well, so that I have bar 0.9 and bar 1.0 next to each other? |
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| 13:53.50 | antithesis__ | One can be used for the Stable packages that need it, and the other for the Testing ones |
| 13:54.25 | bhuddah | tkl2: only if you are able to return it via stdout or stderr to the master-script as in ssh_ret=$($SSH .... ) |
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| 13:54.56 | tkl2 | how to do that? |
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| 13:55.11 | themill | antithesis__: you can't install more than one version of the same package. It's just not possible |
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| 13:55.39 | bhuddah | tkl2: see above |
| 13:55.56 | bhuddah | tkl2: just finish your calculations and echo the value |
| 13:55.59 | petern_ | If you want to do such a thing, use a chroot. |
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| 13:56.27 | antithesis__ | themill because nobody has bothered implementing this, or because of a technical issue? |
| 13:56.49 | lost_in_space_55 | Or you could use a jail |
| 13:57.21 | tkl2 | how should i echo it outside of the ssh connection? |
| 13:57.51 | themill | antithesis__: it's not possible for most packages. You can only have one /bin/ls on your filesystem. |
| 13:58.22 | bhuddah | tkl2: just catch the return.. wait a sec. |
| 13:59.06 | bhuddah | tkl2: ssh_ret=$($SSH -i $KEY $USER@$HOST 'sleep 5 && Datum2=$(/bin/date +%s --reference=/vh/ordner/hs/dataimport/daten) && echo $Datum2') ... then you'll have the value of $Datum2 inside $ssh_ret |
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| 14:05.13 | tkl2 | bhuddah: sorry that does not work... |
| 14:05.25 | tkl2 | expectin operator... |
| 14:05.37 | bhuddah | tkl2: something like that. do you get the idea? |
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| 14:07.06 | tkl2 | ssh_ret=$($SSH -i $KEY $USER@$HOST 'sleep 5 && Datum2=$(/bin/date +%s --reference=/vhsustfs/www.lw.de/cmx/ordner/vhs/dataimport/daten) && echo $Datum2') |
| 14:07.07 | tkl2 | sleep 2 |
| 14:07.07 | tkl2 | pwd |
| 14:07.07 | tkl2 | ssh_ret=$(($Datum-$Datum2)) |
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| 14:08.05 | tkl2 | bhuddah: got kicked ;) |
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| 14:11.23 | bhuddah | tkl2: nope. you should do that calculation before passing values. i think you should think about that again. |
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| 14:12.02 | tkl2 | bhuddah: But i do need the value out of the ssh connection to do my calculation |
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| 14:12.42 | bhuddah | tkl2: then examine the variables you have and print them out one by one if you need to make sure you know what you are doing. |
| 14:12.51 | tkl2 | aahhh waiiit |
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| 14:15.26 | tkl2 | bhuddah: Yeah! |
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| 14:23.41 | tkl2 | bhuddah: *dancing* ;) Thank you for puttin me onto it! |
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| 14:55.02 | lanodan | Hello ! Is there a way to scroll up in the TTY ? |
| 14:55.21 | GeneralSummary | lanodan, Press PageUp and PageDown |
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| 14:55.42 | GeneralSummary | lanodan, Actually it's Shift-PageUp |
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| 15:00.09 | lanodan | GeneralSummary: okay, thanks you ! |
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| 15:08.00 | deepy | Hi, I have two internet facing interfaces, eth0 and eth1, how do I get eth1 to respond to traffic? |
| 15:08.11 | deepy | tcpdump seems the traffic, but none of my services does |
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| 15:08.50 | flakedump | deepy: google "debian multiple wan interfaces" or "dual wan interfaces" |
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| 15:15.43 | ChrisH | Debian wheezy 7.5 with KDE shows flashing the upper part of the screen at the lower end. I tried to snapshot it using ksnapshot but failed. Any idea where I can continue searching? |
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| 15:21.17 | Safa_[A_boy] | Hello. I can't find youtube-dl in wheezy |
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| 15:21.50 | themill | Safa_[A_boy]: it's not in wheezy. Try clive instead. |
| 15:22.07 | Safa_[A_boy] | :( |
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| 15:23.36 | ChrisH | hmmm, its also in Grub, so not KDE related |
| 15:23.39 | themill | Safa_[A_boy]: it breaks often enough that it doesn't really make sense to include it in a stable release. clive (like the rest of the users of libquvi) is more robust and more easily updated. |
| 15:23.53 | Safa_[A_boy] | ok |
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| 15:31.59 | SpaceKookie | Hey, does anyone know if the Debian support for the "AO751h" has improved since this was written: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne ? :) |
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| 15:53.37 | pablo | hi guys, is jessie going to be release with systemd as default or that is for the one after jessie? |
| 15:53.44 | pablo | *released |
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| 15:55.51 | SpaceKookie | What is happening here :| xD |
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| 15:57.41 | centrx | pablo, That's the plan yes |
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| 15:58.44 | pablo | centrx: jessie? |
| 15:58.55 | centrx | Yes |
| 15:59.00 | pablo | centrx: do you know when will that package me marked as essential? |
| 15:59.34 | centrx | I don't know |
| 15:59.34 | pablo | I mean systemd-sysv |
| 15:59.38 | centrx | Probably before the freeze on November 15 |
| 15:59.44 | pablo | :) |
| 15:59.45 | pablo | ok |
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| 16:01.38 | trewas | pablo: the change to systemd won't be forced that way, not everyone will have to use systemd |
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| 16:02.03 | SpaceKookie | btw I have a question: in this list ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_alpha_1/i386/iso-cd/ ) why are there 8 different CD isos for the offline install? I won't actually need them all, will I? O.o |
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| 16:02.42 | Artemis3 | trewas, nice if its opt in and you could always change the method :) |
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| 16:02.54 | pablo | trewas: ah ok, sysvinit is marked as essential right now |
| 16:03.20 | Artemis3 | SpaceKookie, no you don't, i'd say get the smallest iso (20mb) and pull only what you need of the net :) |
| 16:03.20 | pablo | trewas: at least that flag will be removed, won't it? |
| 16:03.36 | sakang | SpaceKookie: scrool down the list and select the de flavor you want |
| 16:04.00 | SpaceKookie | Ah thanks :P I've been using Ubuntu for 2-3 years and kinda wanna go less-noob now xD |
| 16:04.03 | pablo | trewas: ah, it depends also in systemd-sysvinit |
| 16:04.12 | pablo | disregard that |
| 16:04.25 | Artemis3 | SpaceKookie, there is also a live iso you can try |
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| 16:05.09 | trewas | pablo: who knows how the packaging details will be handled, apparently gdm3 in unstable currently causes change to systemd |
| 16:05.41 | dizzylizzy | why is debian soooo awesome?? |
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| 16:07.19 | dizzylizzy | I use it on two VPSs, my laptop, and my desktop |
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| 16:07.52 | sakang | bec the others are not-so-awesome? |
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| 16:11.46 | dizzylizzy | i wish i had the patience to use stable for day-to-day computer use but backporting things for new features gets to be too much of a hassle |
| 16:11.56 | dizzylizzy | stable is great for servers though |
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| 16:12.57 | jelly | how often do you install new things on machines that you use daily, tho? |
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| 16:13.33 | koollman | jelly: I install new machines daily. does that count ? :) |
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| 16:13.57 | jelly | koollman: then you don't have to backport anew |
| 16:14.14 | jelly | because you already did it the first time |
| 16:14.42 | dizzylizzy | jelly: I guess that's true |
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| 16:15.06 | dizzylizzy | it was easy to recompile things like tmux, but for something big like monodevelop (And all of mono) it was kind of a major pain |
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| 16:15.16 | koollman | jelly: "it depends". sometimes there's new hardware. sometimes there's a new feature asked. And I usually already use backports in regular installations, too |
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| 16:15.33 | dizzylizzy | that whole system is already a dependency nightmare without me throwing my own compilation into the mix |
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| 16:16.03 | dizzylizzy | my desktop is amd64 and my laptop is x86-32, too |
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| 16:17.46 | koollman | and on the server side, there are a few packages that are arguably 'better' in versions released after debian stable. (drbd comes to mind. I have to use backports to get better performance out of it) |
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| 16:32.08 | yalex | helloo need help with mpd, im using the default configuration but am unable to create playlists |
| 16:32.52 | yalex | even tried mpd as root just as a test and get the same rrors |
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| 16:33.50 | b0ngz | swag |
| 16:34.03 | yalex | any ideas? |
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| 16:35.42 | SpaceKookie | btw it's say here: ( https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne ) that the AO751h has only limited support in that version but that support will improve in the future. Has it? :p |
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| 16:42.26 | trewas | SpaceKookie: if that is the model with gma500 (poulsbo) graphics then just walk away, the support never happened |
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| 16:42.55 | SpaceKookie | trewas: Damn! I think it is |
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| 16:45.09 | harmony | hi All, I am using debian 7.4. this is regarding playing DVD movies. I have installed libdvdcss2 and was able to play a movie dvd. For another one I am getting decryption issues. Any ideas how can I resolve? |
| 16:45.33 | harmony | btw, I am using vlc |
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| 16:46.29 | petn-randall | harmony: Wrong DVD region code? |
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| 16:47.16 | harmony | thanks petn-randall but region code was set already with first dvd itself and it should not be an issue, I guess. |
| 16:48.07 | petn-randall | harmony: It is a problem if you have a different region code burnt into your DVD player than the DVD is allowed for. |
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| 16:50.59 | harmony | how can I see region code for the DVD (not for debian)? As there are not many times I am allowed to change region code. Btw, I bought DVD where I installed debian .... |
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| 16:51.34 | gbr8231 | hi i installed debian on two computers and want to ssh from one to the other. i installed the ssh package which has both the server and client. but what do i do now? |
| 16:52.00 | petn-randall | gbr8231: read the man page to 'ssh'. |
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| 16:52.51 | gbr8231 | i am but don't get whether i'm supposed to generate keys or whatever first |
| 16:53.04 | harmony | gbr8231: please start ssh server - " /etc/init.d/ssh start" on one machine. It will generate automatically. |
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| 16:53.46 | gbr8231 | harmony: thanks |
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| 16:55.13 | petn-randall | gbr8231: The easiest way is to log in via user/password. If you don't feel like entering a password all the time, you can authenticate yourself via a ssh key ("authorized_keys"). |
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| 16:57.39 | gbr8231 | petn-randall: i don't mind entering the password |
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| 16:59.51 | joshtekmobile | Doesn't he Debian oldstable repositories carry the latest version of mono? |
| 16:59.58 | gbr8231 | harmony: it says could not load host key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
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| 17:00.07 | gbr8231 | i did /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 17:00.28 | gbr8231 | does it need to be root? |
| 17:00.31 | harmony | yes |
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| 17:00.51 | gbr8231 | oh ok thanks |
| 17:01.37 | petn-randall | joshtekmobile: No, every released version will only receive security updates, no major version updates. |
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| 17:05.00 | gbr8231 | the connection is timing out when i try to ssh into the server using ssh IPAddr |
| 17:05.17 | petn-randall | gbr8231: Can you ping the other machine? |
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| 17:05.30 | Tammy18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.37 | petn-randall | urgh, spam :( |
| 17:05.47 | gbr8231 | yes, i can |
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| 17:06.07 | petn-randall | gbr8231: Do you have some firewall running on those machines? |
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| 17:06.24 | xeno | Say, running dhclient seems to show reasonable log results, but interactively I get this weird message: RTNETLINK answers: File exists. |
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| 17:06.46 | gbr8231 | petn-randall: oh, ya i have ufw up on them |
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| 17:07.17 | petn-randall | gbr8231: You need to open tcp port 22 for ssh to work. |
| 17:07.39 | gbr8231 | petn-randall: thank you |
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| 17:12.59 | gbr8231 | it's safe to have this port open and server running all the time? |
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| 17:15.08 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, OpenSSH? |
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| 17:15.27 | gbr8231 | ya |
| 17:15.53 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, Yes, it's safe to leave it open provided that the credentials needed to log into it are sufficiently secure |
| 17:16.25 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, I recommend that a public-facing OpenSSH server only accept public-key authentication rather than username/password |
| 17:16.26 | gbr8231 | well the credentials are just the user's password |
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| 17:18.00 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, if you can you should restrict the IP addresses that may connect to the server both in the OpenSSH configuration and in the firewall protecting it (if you use a firewall) |
| 17:18.02 | gbr8231 | i don't believe it would be public facing by default right? i just logged in using the machine's local IP |
| 17:18.35 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, if you're behind a NAT then it's not public facing (the NAT is acting as a firewall in this case) |
| 17:18.40 | gbr8231 | ok i'll edit the configuration file and try and limit them |
| 17:19.01 | SamanthaD | gbr8231, but in that case you should harden the server by explicitly restricting the subnet |
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| 17:20.26 | gbr8231 | so prohibit for example 192.168.1.255 but then allow 192.168.1.10-20? |
| 17:20.37 | SamanthaD | right |
| 17:20.56 | SamanthaD | and only allow 192.168.1.10-20 |
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| 17:22.47 | gbr8231 | ok i'll add that to the ~/.ssh/config file |
| 17:22.48 | gbr8231 | thanks |
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| 17:27.13 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. I have Debian installed on one server with 4 ethernet interfaces. Only eth0 works, the others say eth1: no link .. when I configure them |
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| 17:27.34 | dimitry7 | I runned a live CD with Ubuntu and all interfaces worked perfectly. |
| 17:28.07 | dimitry7 | my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules matches the MACs with each interface. |
| 17:28.17 | dimitry7 | What might be wrong?? |
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| 17:29.05 | jhutchins | dimitry7: What are you doing to try to enable the other interfaces? Does ifconfig -a show all of them? |
| 17:29.57 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, yes, I have tried to enable the other ones but everyone says the same (no link). ifconfig -a yes, it shows everything |
| 17:30.45 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, and it doesn't matter if I try to enable them manually or with a static or dinamic IP |
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| 17:30.48 | dimitry7 | they just don't start |
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| 17:34.37 | asterismo | hi people |
| 17:34.47 | jaakkos_ | are some of you running linux on the new thinkpad series, and does this happen sometimes when you plug in AC? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zSqhPF2w |
| 17:35.01 | jaakkos_ | it seems related to laptop-mode changing /sys/class/scsi_host/*/link_power_management_policy from min_power to max_performance |
| 17:35.32 | sirEgghead | Hello. I am a complete idiot when it comes to audio in linux. I have recently installed 7.4 x64 and am currently running KDE. I just hooked up my G930 headset and am getting no audio. I have checked the mixer in my system tray and have moved the headset to the highest priority. |
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| 17:36.32 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, kernel: [142782.183985] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 17:36.33 | asterismo | is there any server that may help me stay in touck with my co-workers? i mean, like a page where a employe login, like an intranet, in where there are online forms to fill out with the daily work, and the boss can send things to employees as well, like PDFs, material, links... like drupal right? |
| 17:36.56 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You haven't specified what you are doing to try to enable them. Does ethtool show them as connected with a negotiated speed? |
| 17:37.29 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I configured by /etc/network/interfaces with a static IP for eth1. |
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| 17:37.38 | jhutchins | asterismo: http://mail.google.com |
| 17:37.52 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, ethtool says: Link detected: no |
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| 17:38.09 | jhutchins | dimitry7: That argues for a problem with the cable or switch port. |
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| 17:38.55 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I tried the same cable on eth0, and it works... also the same cable when running ubuntu and it works on all interfaces. |
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| 17:39.16 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, my switch is a new GB dell switch |
| 17:39.21 | asterismo | jhutchins: yeah, more like a local service, because there are online forms to fill up as a working log, that later files in our system. I could set up a form, but it has to be restricted to employees, like an intranet |
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| 17:44.47 | sirEgghead | Sorry I neglected to mention that the headset is Logitech |
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| 17:51.55 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I tried the same cable on eth0, and it works... also the same cable when running ubuntu and it works on all interfaces. |
| 17:51.56 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, my switch is a new GB dell switch |
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| 17:57.49 | shingouz | dimitry7: just an idea, but have you tested the nic? could that one be pooped for some reason? |
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| 18:03.08 | doebi | what software would u suggest for quick and dirty video editing (ala windows movie maker)? |
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| 18:13.34 | jan76567 | Hi guys can someone help me to understand if both the channels #debian from freenode and oftc are official debian channels and if there is some difference what is it? |
| 18:14.15 | centrx | jan76567, Both are official. The Freenode channel is the original one, before the Debian channels were moved to OFTC. |
| 18:14.39 | centrx | jan76567, Generally, Freenode #debian has more activity, while OFTC has many other Debian-related channels other than just #debian |
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| 18:15.15 | jan76567 | centrx, thanks |
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| 18:15.58 | SpaceKookie | This channel seems to be the one where a LT of people just join and leave again :P |
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| 18:18.13 | ioudas | great apt broke |
| 18:18.17 | ioudas | frigging newline errors |
| 18:18.20 | ioudas | everywhere |
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| 18:20.50 | sirEgghead | Is anyone here any good with audio? I posted a question 45 minutes ago. It may have just been overlooked. |
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| 18:21.38 | centrx | Ask again is fine, 45 minutes is a long enough time |
| 18:21.47 | sirEgghead | Hello. I am a complete idiot when it comes to audio in linux. I have recently installed 7.4 x64 and am currently running KDE. I just hooked up my G930 headset and am getting no audio. I have checked the mixer in my system tray and have moved the headset to the highest priority. |
| 18:22.12 | centrx | Also you can find the channel/mailing list for the Debian multimedia group |
| 18:22.13 | sirEgghead | And something I neglected to mention in the original question is that the G930 headset is Logitech. |
| 18:22.25 | sirEgghead | centrx, thank you very much. :) |
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| 18:23.21 | dimitry7 | shingouz, yes I have tested the NIC with a Ubuntu live CD. what is popped?? |
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| 18:32.31 | Skaag | I have some issues with NetworkManager taking over communications instead of allowing wpa_supplicant to do it's usual thing |
| 18:32.37 | Skaag | how do I cleanly get rid of it? |
| 18:33.01 | Skaag | for example right now I see two dhcp clients, one system-run, and one spawned under the NetworkManager process |
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| 18:36.36 | Knaldgas | I would like a calendar server to be used to share calendars between Outlook and IceDove/IceOwl. What should I go for? |
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| 18:39.01 | teraflops | Knaldgas: ldap but MS outlook youll need either exchange or something as openchange |
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| 18:39.59 | Knaldgas | teraflops: How about davical? |
| 18:40.00 | dimitry7 | knalgdas |
| 18:40.18 | teraflops | with MS outlook native? Knaldgas ? |
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| 18:40.55 | Knaldgas | teraflops: Yes, Outlook native from work, and IceOwl from home. |
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| 18:41.30 | Oxddf | domanda: io ho debian con ambiente grafico xfce, come posso fare per installare kde oppure un altro ambiente grafico? |
| 18:41.33 | teraflops | sogo + aopenchange i can say it works because i setup several times |
| 18:41.45 | teraflops | but dont like shit like that |
| 18:41.54 | teraflops | openchange* |
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| 18:42.42 | Knaldgas | thinking |
| 18:43.01 | Oxddf | i have debian with xfce GUI, if i want to insall another GUI like kde or better, what should i do? |
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| 18:43.17 | teraflops | think whatever you want but if you need exchange funcionalities you need exchange or samba4 backend Knaldgas |
| 18:43.20 | jelly-home | teraflops: didi you have mapi or activesync clients? or both? |
| 18:43.33 | teraflops | both |
| 18:43.35 | teraflops | jelly-home: |
| 18:43.40 | HD|Laptop | hey |
| 18:43.56 | HD|Laptop | I'm trying to use mc or any other xterm-mouse-capable program with putty |
| 18:44.06 | teraflops | either os x android syncs ok jelly-home |
| 18:44.07 | HD|Laptop | when running a "blank" ssh shell, it works fine |
| 18:44.08 | Knaldgas | I guess the real goal is to let colleagues see free/busy from private calender, and see/modify my company calendar from home. |
| 18:44.13 | HD|Laptop | but when inside screen, it does not |
| 18:44.16 | teraflops | ios too |
| 18:44.20 | HD|Laptop | how do I make mouse work inside screen? |
| 18:44.23 | jelly-home | teraflops: how broken was that? I'm more worried about Outlook and MAPI. |
| 18:44.47 | teraflops | jelly-home: sogo + openchange did their magic |
| 18:44.48 | Knaldgas | Hmm, that requires access to the company calendar server I guess - Probably a no-go... |
| 18:44.56 | teraflops | i dont want to know more xD |
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| 18:45.19 | Knaldgas | chuckles |
| 18:45.21 | jelly-home | teraflops: I hope you got paid well! |
| 18:45.28 | teraflops | i swear |
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| 18:45.57 | teraflops | stilll dealing with that but the web devs part |
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| 18:47.02 | teraflops | Knaldgas: thats the point _the company calendar_ |
| 18:47.05 | Phoebus | Hey, how do I see what services have been configured to run on boot? ls /etc/rc*.d doesn't show all, cheers. |
| 18:47.54 | teraflops | update-rc.d command Phoebus |
| 18:48.11 | Knaldgas | teraflops: You are absolutely right. Company = no-go. |
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| 18:48.38 | Phoebus | teraflops, that's to add or remove, how about listing? |
| 18:48.43 | Phoebus | Or what args? |
| 18:48.53 | amin | quicke way to resize all images in a directory keeping aspect ratio and quality? |
| 18:49.01 | amin | s/quicke/quick |
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| 18:50.24 | teraflops | uhm Phoebus ls /etc/rc*.d |
| 18:50.42 | teraflops | sorry i misread your question Phoebus |
| 18:50.51 | Phoebus | teraflops, already did, but don't see for ex mysql and I know it starts, or another app. |
| 18:51.20 | dimitry7 | shingouz, yes I have tested the NIC with a Ubuntu live CD. what is popped?? |
| 18:51.30 | dimitry7 | knalgadas |
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| 18:52.54 | sirEgghead | I asked a question 30 minutes ago and also 45 minutes prior to that. I will restate it once more before I am done here for the day. |
| 18:52.58 | teraflops | Phoebus: may be the packages sysv-rc-conf and/or rcconf |
| 18:53.13 | Phoebus | Not installed, only update.rc |
| 18:53.22 | Phoebus | The app in question has an init.d script... |
| 18:53.34 | Phoebus | How do you discern if it's properly configured without, well rebooting? |
| 18:53.40 | sirEgghead | I am running Debian 7.4 x64 with KDE. Fresh install. I just hooked up my Logitech G930 headset and am getting no audio. I know basically nothing about audio in linux. |
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| 18:54.01 | sirEgghead | The audio device is showing. I have given it priority in the mixer. But that is all we know. |
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| 18:54.23 | teraflops | Phoebus: who _did_ that init.d script? |
| 18:54.34 | teraflops | custom made? |
| 18:54.46 | Phoebus | Some developer from the team. |
| 18:54.49 | teraflops | may be is not compilant enought |
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| 18:54.51 | Phoebus | Just need to verify it will work. |
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| 18:55.06 | babilen | sirEgghead: I have no experience with that device whatsoever, but install and run pavucontrol and check if it is activated as output sink and volume has been raised. Also check if you have output on other devices (e.g. normal headphones, speakers) |
| 18:55.12 | Phoebus | Ok... |
| 18:55.55 | teraflops | anyway add to the init with update-init.rc if you want you can add custom init scripts |
| 18:55.59 | sirEgghead | babilen, thank you. I will do that now and let you know. And I do not have speakers or headphones to test out my onboard audio device here at the office. :( |
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| 18:56.18 | teraflops | as in rhel or whatever |
| 18:56.18 | babilen | sirEgghead: Try "speaker-test -t wav" also to check if ALSA is working correctly. This might also be KDE specific behaviour (phonon), but I have never used KDE and can therenore not debug that issue. |
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| 18:56.42 | babilen | sirEgghead: Would those headphones work on a normal line out without anything special? |
| 18:57.08 | sirEgghead | Nah, it is a USB audio device. |
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| 18:57.48 | sirEgghead | babilen, when you plug them it, they show up as another sound card, basically. |
| 18:57.52 | sirEgghead | in* |
| 18:58.03 | babilen | sirEgghead: Okay, in that case they might behave as if they were a separate soundcard. Check output sinks in pavucontrol (or whatever KDE uses) and also run "alsamiver" and make sure that pulseaudio (or anything else) is muted. |
| 18:58.06 | debiator | why debian gets slow in moving windows after some time of use, say 6 hours? have got an ati card |
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| 18:59.09 | babilen | sirEgghead: I really have no experience with neither your hardware nor your software stack, but are they listed in "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? Do you hear something if you run "speaker-test -t wav" (you might want to run "aplay -L" and pick the right device in there) |
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| 18:59.55 | babilen | sirEgghead: There are also #alsa and #pulseaudio that can probably help you with this, but try my suggestions first. |
| 19:00.21 | sirEgghead | babilen, not sure, but it appears that I have them configured properly in pavucontrol. No volume output from speaker-test. And yes, they are listed in /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:01.00 | babilen | sirEgghead: Most commonly the problem with USB devices is (from ALSA's perspective) that they are never the default (index 0) and that applications that simply use the default would not use them. In pulseaudio you should be able to switch easily between different output sinks. |
| 19:01.10 | gbr8231 | does anyone know where ufw keeps its logs? i don't see that cited in the man page |
| 19:01.12 | sirEgghead | babilen, very understnadable. |
| 19:01.14 | babilen | sirEgghead: Okay, what does "aplay -L" give you? |
| 19:01.41 | corpcomp | Can anyone point me to some useful information on getting aufs3 working on wheezy? |
| 19:01.47 | babilen | sirEgghead: Oh, and what do you use to test? Is that application listed in pavucontrol? |
| 19:01.54 | babilen | sirEgghead: (paste output to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 19:01.57 | sirEgghead | babilen, aplay -L > http://pastebin.com/8QAWsh08 |
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| 19:02.20 | sirEgghead | Spotify. It is listed in pavucontrol. The audio bar jumps when it is active (volume levels). |
| 19:02.29 | ctmjr | gbr8231: look in /var/log/ |
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| 19:02.36 | babilen | sirEgghead: And you can verify that you've selected them in the "Configuration" tab in pavucontrol? |
| 19:02.42 | sirEgghead | babilen, sorry about using the wrong pastebin. |
| 19:03.33 | babilen | sirEgghead: It's okay -- that one is just horrible (ads, sometimed captchas, "social network integration", and so on) |
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| 19:03.42 | sirEgghead | babilen, the "configuration" tab in pavucontrol appears to be a list of audio profiles for each device. So all 4 of my audio devices are listed on that tab and I can choose a profile for each. Including my headset. |
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| 19:04.21 | sirEgghead | babilen, here's a new paste of aplay -L http://paste.debian.net/99543/ |
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| 19:05.44 | babilen | sirEgghead: Okay, is it working if you choose your headset? |
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| 19:06.23 | sirEgghead | babilen, sorry, explaining the configuration tab of pavucontrol isn't as straightforward as I hoped. I can't "choose" my device from that tab. I can choose a profile for EACH device |
| 19:06.31 | sirEgghead | babilen, one sec and I will get you a screenshot |
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| 19:07.01 | babilen | sirEgghead: Thank you, but I would actually like to concentrate on ALSA to begin with. Which is also something we can do without screenshots. |
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| 19:07.22 | sirEgghead | babilen, certainly |
| 19:07.26 | gbr8231 | ctmjr: thanks it was in there |
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| 19:08.26 | sirEgghead | babilen, http://prntscr.com/3j7u3v if you do get interested in understanding my half-wit explanation of pavucontrol's configuration tab :) |
| 19:08.34 | sirEgghead | babilen, awaiting you instruction for whatever else you need. |
| 19:08.48 | babilen | sirEgghead: Could you try "speaker-test -t wav -Dfront:Headset" ? |
| 19:08.59 | sirEgghead | babilen, sure one sec |
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| 19:09.54 | sirEgghead | babilen, output of your previous command: http://paste.debian.net/99544/ |
| 19:10.02 | sirEgghead | babilen, and no sound, by the way. |
| 19:10.34 | babilen | sirEgghead: Ah, thanks for the screenshot. You might also want to try different settings there. You might want to try different profiles there. |
| 19:11.04 | sirEgghead | babilen, I have. No change. |
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| 19:11.37 | sirEgghead | babilen, wait |
| 19:11.50 | babilen | sirEgghead: Okay, well .. we can leave pavucontrol out of the equation as it sits on top of ALSA and if we can't get the card to work in ALSA then it is in vain. |
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| 19:12.07 | sirEgghead | babilen, it is working. I don't know what changed. |
| 19:12.31 | sirEgghead | babilen, The only thing we have done is the tests. |
| 19:12.39 | babilen | heh |
| 19:12.40 | sirEgghead | babilen, I went back to Spotify and hit play and there it was. |
| 19:12.42 | babilen | What is working? |
| 19:12.50 | sirEgghead | babilen, audio from Spotify. |
| 19:12.59 | sirEgghead | babilen, which is really my only audio concern here at the office. |
| 19:13.01 | sirEgghead | babilen, lol |
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| 19:13.16 | sirEgghead | babilen, I'm a systems administrator and don't have much use for audio other than staying sane :) |
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| 19:13.43 | babilen | sirEgghead: Okay, that's great, but unsatisfactory. Do you get speaker test output with "speaker-test -t wav -Dfront:Headset" ? |
| 19:13.56 | sirEgghead | babilen, Our voice engineer has been on a call for the past 5 hours and I have been configuring systems and switches all day. The music is a life saver :) |
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| 19:14.10 | sirEgghead | babilen, now when I test with speaker-test, it says that device is busy |
| 19:14.21 | sirEgghead | babilen, with or without sepcifying the device |
| 19:14.28 | babilen | Okay, stop spotify (if you dare) and run that :) |
| 19:14.32 | sirEgghead | babilen, same message. So at least we know that the headset is default. |
| 19:15.22 | babilen | Well, if you look at the "speaker-test" manpage you will see a little example that details how to get the argument of the "-D" option from the output of "aplay -L" |
| 19:15.49 | sirEgghead | babilen, awesome. |
| 19:16.02 | sirEgghead | babilen, definitely useful information :) |
| 19:16.15 | babilen | sirEgghead: What *might* have happened is that using "-Ddefault:Headset" somehow switched the headset to be the default, but I really wouldn't like that behaviour. (my initial plan was to try the different devices there) |
| 19:16.43 | sirEgghead | babilen, I have never been worth my salt when it comes to audio in linux. There are so many different...I don't even know what to call them...backends, frontends, etc. I don't know how to troubleshoot them anyway. |
| 19:17.14 | sirEgghead | babilen, understandable. I'm happy with the results anyway, so we'll leave it at that. I have 2-3 other issues on this system, but I am operable for work right now and will address that later :) |
| 19:17.18 | babilen | sirEgghead: I understand completely - my alsa-fu is also quite weak, but at least I know some testing commands. |
| 19:17.49 | babilen | sirEgghead: Have fun then and may you enjoy the rest of your work day :) |
| 19:17.56 | sirEgghead | babilen, your fu for audio... ends? is quite higher than mine. Keep it up :) |
| 19:18.06 | sirEgghead | babilen, you as well. Thank you very much. |
| 19:18.26 | gbr8231 | do you guys recommend changing the ssh port from 22 to something else? |
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| 19:18.48 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, always |
| 19:19.18 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, there may be a variance in opinions on that, but i always change it. |
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| 19:20.09 | corpcomp | Can anyone point me to some useful information on getting aufs3 working on wheezy? |
| 19:20.40 | gbr8231 | sirEgghead: thanks. i do that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on both the server and other machines right? |
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| 19:21.11 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, correct file, but you only change it on the server. Afterward you'll want to restart your sshd with 'service ssh restart'. |
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| 19:21.34 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, leave your existing SSH connection active while you test out a new connection on your new port. |
| 19:21.58 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, once you have verified that you can connect on your new port, you can feel free to disconnect from your existing connection on the default port. |
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| 19:22.58 | gbr8231 | sirEgghead: thanks i'm doing that now |
| 19:23.05 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, no problem. |
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| 19:23.50 | babilen | gbr8231: I see it as unnecessary. Install fail2ban, disable password based logins and cluebat anybody into using strong keys with strong passphrases |
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| 19:24.20 | gbr8231 | sirEgghead: can i just pick a random number for the port or is there a range to stay within? |
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| 19:24.50 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, that slight variation in opinions that I mentioned. :) While I don't disagree with babilen, I am still enough of a security nut to both enable key-based authentication as well as change default ports. |
| 19:25.13 | babilen | gbr8231: You will always have the "internet background noise" and your systemd is either secure or it isn't. Changing the port might safe you from the "drive by" attacks (and maybe cause a little less logging), but they are no issue if you don't allow password logins anyway. |
| 19:25.30 | babilen | *system |
| 19:25.36 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, to an extent. You'll want to keep your port numbers above 1024 and you'll also want to verify that your new port number doesn't conflict with any existing software that you are running on that machine. |
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| 19:26.22 | gbr8231 | well i'm a real novice so i don't even know how to go about setting up key-based authentication. i guess i should read up on it |
| 19:26.42 | babilen | gbr8231: I would *strongly* recommend to rather spend your time on that :) |
| 19:26.43 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, there are tons of documents that you can google on that. It is very simple though. Only about 4 steps. |
| 19:27.25 | sirEgghead | Only one big caveat to this discussion. |
| 19:27.47 | gbr8231 | then i'm going to change the port and set up keys as well |
| 19:27.48 | sirEgghead | You need to have an alternative means of accessing the machine if you lose your public key. IE: another machine with an authorized key, or physical access. |
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| 19:28.10 | gbr8231 | ok. i have physical access so no problem |
| 19:28.46 | sirEgghead | gbr8231, then you're set. babilen is completely accurate in his statements. I'm just a bit more security conscious on public-facing machines and go the extra step. :) |
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| 19:29.55 | babilen | gbr8231: Essentially: 1. Create a key with "ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096" and choose a *strong* passphrase. 2. Copy your public key to your remote host with "ssh-copy-id [user@]hostname" 3. Log into remote host with "ssh -vvvv [user@]hostname" and verify that the key has been accepted |
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| 19:30.20 | sugarpuff | can someone please paste the SHA1 of the HTTPS cert they see for debian.org ? |
| 19:31.05 | sirEgghead | sugarpuff, EF 16 1E 7A 5D 3C B6 0D F2 D7 EF CE 5E 0A 36 D9 |
| 19:31.05 | sirEgghead | F3 2A CD 93 |
| 19:31.10 | gbr8231 | babilen: ah that's easy enough. thank you |
| 19:31.28 | babilen | gbr8231: 4. I typically unlock my keys for 8 hours at the beginning of the working day ... run "ssh-add" for that 5. Disable password based logins on your remote server. |
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| 19:32.32 | sugarpuff | sirEgghead: thanks! that's what i see here too. just double-checking as OCSP connection failed |
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| 19:32.39 | sirEgghead | sugarpuff, np |
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| 19:34.07 | babilen | gbr8231: Oh, and disable root logins. For that edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set "PermitRootLogin no", "PasswordAuthentication no" and "UsePAM no" in there |
| 19:34.28 | gbr8231 | babilen: great info thanks so much |
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| 19:34.44 | babilen | gbr8231: Well, those three things disable root and password based logins. Make sure that you can connect with your key before you lock yourself out! |
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| 19:35.43 | jhutchins | The advantage of changing the port instead of using local tools like fail2ban and iptables throttling is that the packets never reach the kernel. Even if the packets are dropped, they still have to be examined by the kernel and sufficient volume can cause a DOS. |
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| 19:36.53 | babilen | gbr8231: You, naturally, want "PubkeyAuthentication yes" in there too (but that's the default) |
| 19:37.09 | jhutchins | In one case I have the random port forwarded, and use 22 for the local network, with sshd listening on both. |
| 19:37.17 | babilen | jhutchins: Good point |
| 19:37.22 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, part of my point of view on the subject as well. :) Definitely no wrong answer here. Just depends on the organization's/sysadmin's security model. |
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| 19:37.39 | babilen | port knocking ftw |
| 19:37.51 | teraflops | jhutchins: but thats sometimes has no sense |
| 19:38.27 | teraflops | less sense with 80/443 than the 22 but anyway |
| 19:38.37 | sirEgghead | teraflops, some times you can take security too far. But sometimes you need the extra security. Just depends on the system and more so the data on it. That's where the sysadmin should be judging things properly. |
| 19:39.08 | teraflops | youre right sirEgghead |
| 19:39.56 | sirEgghead | teraflops, myself, I'm a sysadmin for a huge financial corporation. The data stored on systems is personal and business finances. SSNs, etc. So with key systems, I push for the max. |
| 19:40.40 | teraflops | i understand but if you begin to rely non standar ports for wel known services shit happens |
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| 19:40.56 | babilen | Strong border gateways + "ProxyCommand ssh -W%h:%p" |
| 19:40.59 | teraflops | im not saying is your particular case sirEgghead |
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| 19:41.21 | sirEgghead | Very true. Non-standard ports shouldn't be the end of security procedures, but it definitely should be included on key systems. |
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| 19:41.28 | teraflops | sure |
| 19:41.33 | sirEgghead | teraflops, I understand. :) |
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| 19:42.00 | sirEgghead | teraflops, just a discussion that could go on for days. No wrong answer here. :) |
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| 19:42.17 | babilen | Indeed |
| 19:42.30 | teraflops | yep |
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| 19:43.14 | sirEgghead | Well, I have certainly enjoyed everyone's company, and the fine advice on my own system. I have to crunch on a project for the end of the day. I will talk to you fine gents later. Have a good day! |
| 19:43.21 | babilen | And there are many other things once can do, but mostly it is a tradeoff between security and ease of use. With key based authentication I would even argue that you gain security while simultaneously being more pleasant for the user to use. |
| 19:43.32 | gbr8231 | sirEgghead: thanks for your help have a nice day |
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| 19:43.35 | sirEgghead | babilen, absolutely! |
| 19:43.54 | jhutchins | I really don't count non-standard ports as "security" per se, it's more a matter of preventing an automated DOS. Someone can still scan the system and attack any open port, but it does seem to greatly reduce the most primitive (and common) attacks. |
| 19:44.00 | babilen | sirEgghead: All the best -- i've already done my share for today :) |
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| 19:44.34 | babilen | jhutchins: The "internet background noise" that fills up auth.log, yeah :) |
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| 19:45.03 | teraflops | chineses are most anoying |
| 19:45.12 | jhutchins | babilen: As you said, strong boarder gateways. |
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| 19:46.36 | babilen | yay! "squeeze (security) 2.6.32-48squeeze6 fixed" -- https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0196 |
| 19:47.13 | gbr8231 | you still use squeeze? |
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| 19:47.46 | babilen | gbr8231: Some of the customers do, yeah |
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| 19:50.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i reinstall my sound? just reinstall pulseaudio |
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| 19:57.14 | asterismo | hi people |
| 19:57.36 | asterismo | is drupal a good choice for making like an intranet for people to access locally at work? |
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| 19:57.56 | asterismo | with username and password? |
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| 20:01.08 | epinky | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian |
| 20:01.23 | epinky | it fails the grub-install step |
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| 20:02.28 | Artemis3 | epinky, when installer asks if download current packages, say yes |
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| 20:02.45 | hotaronohanako | hi guys |
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| 20:03.38 | epinky | Artemis3: I don't have internet connection in that box, is it possible to install? |
| 20:03.56 | Artemis3 | epinky, not sure, i think its a bug in the installer |
| 20:04.08 | Artemis3 | epinky, try a big iso |
| 20:04.16 | epinky | Artemis3: it's a big iso |
| 20:04.22 | Artemis3 | :( |
| 20:04.33 | epinky | Artemis3: I don't have time for bugs |
| 20:04.43 | epinky | Artemis3: what can be done? |
| 20:05.00 | Artemis3 | epinky, i just found out a few days ago, maybe older version works? |
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| 20:05.34 | epinky | Artemis3: I don't know, it's the first time I install GNU linux |
| 20:05.35 | somiaj | epinky: that is the last step and easy to fix, what installer image are you using (are you installing form one of the live cd images)? |
| 20:05.40 | somiaj | !tell ex-parrot about fixmbr |
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| 20:06.04 | somiaj | epinky: if you can boot into the live image/installer you can mount your install, (follow instructions I sent you) and install grub correctly onto the partition |
| 20:06.04 | epinky | somiaj: does your bot work? |
| 20:06.14 | Artemis3 | ex-parrot :3 |
| 20:06.15 | somiaj | !tell epinky about fixmbr |
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| 20:06.27 | somiaj | it works if I tab complete correctly, sorry ex-parrot |
| 20:06.58 | Artemis3 | well i guess you could use the iso again to fix mbr, haha |
| 20:07.03 | epinky | somiaj: do I have to do that in order to finish a simple install? it's ridiculous |
| 20:07.26 | Artemis3 | hope 7.6 comes out soon |
| 20:07.48 | epinky | wow, the installer sucks, it takes a lot of steps |
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| 20:07.56 | Artemis3 | at least they sorted the usb thumb goes last in 7.5 vs 7.4 |
| 20:08.00 | somiaj | epinky: you never answered my question, what exact install image are you using. |
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| 20:08.27 | epinky | somiaj: debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:08.32 | somiaj | epinky: and in my experience the offical wheezy install works fine at the install grub place. Sometimes it dosen't, so I gave you instructions on how to fix it with out having to reinstall |
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| 20:09.00 | epinky | somiaj: wheezy is what version? 6? |
| 20:09.04 | Artemis3 | 7 |
| 20:09.36 | epinky | well, it does not work for me, I have tried in 2 Dell R950 |
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| 20:09.53 | somiaj | epinky: I'm unsure why it is not working, but I've done many installs and they have all worked just fine. But it is worth just fixing your mbr and learning from this, (: |
| 20:10.09 | Artemis3 | i think you can reproduce the bug in qemu |
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| 20:10.32 | Artemis3 | its like it doesnt find the udeb for grub or something |
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| 20:11.05 | epinky | somiaj: nothing personal but I prefer to rollback and install FreeBSD, debian just does not work, and I'm very lazy to find out why |
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| 20:11.25 | Artemis3 | stuff happens |
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| 20:11.37 | epinky | thank you and bye |
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| 20:12.10 | nousun | does thunar somehow show the size of directory recursively and sort those by size or is there another graphical file manager in the official repo that is capable of this? |
| 20:12.14 | somiaj | or read the release errata's, https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/, seems the solution is don't install grub into the mbr, but actually select the exact place grubs installed. (look down at the erata's) |
| 20:12.34 | Artemis3 | somiaj, /dev/sda doesnt work? |
| 20:13.22 | somiaj | Artemis3: what if /dev/sda is your usb drive and not your hdd. Though the error mentined there is more grub is installed in the wrong spot, maybe his was releated and selecting the exact location would be preferable. |
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| 20:13.46 | Artemis3 | somiaj, yes that changed from 7.4 to 7.5, it no longer is the usb :) |
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| 20:14.16 | Artemis3 | in 7.4 usb is /dev/sda and the lone hdd i tried with (physical p4) was /dev/sdf lol |
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| 20:14.43 | Artemis3 | same machine with 7.5 the hdd was /dev/sda |
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| 20:15.25 | somiaj | ahh, surprised the webpage hasn't been updated. The only time I have ever experienced a grub fails to install was with the squeeze live cd images. |
| 20:15.51 | somiaj | I haven't tried the wheezy livecd images though for installing. I just started using the offical installer as I liked it better |
| 20:15.52 | Artemis3 | oh it also happens with the live in 7.5 |
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| 20:16.54 | Artemis3 | also the live lets you boot using i686, but warns that system can't be installed unless you use i486, begs to wonder why bother :) |
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| 20:17.10 | zykotick9 | nousun: it's not GUI, but ncdu is handy for showing directory sizes recursivly |
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| 20:19.50 | harpyon | New to debian (used to arch), what's the way to go to get a more up to date vim build on my system? |
| 20:20.13 | somiaj | harpyon: build your own, there are various ways, first lets check the versions debian offers. |
| 20:20.17 | somiaj | ,v vim |
| 20:20.18 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; jessie: 2:7.4.273-2; sid: 2:7.4.273-2 |
| 20:20.36 | somiaj | happytux: so I assume you are running wheezy? And have version 7.3.547 in wheezy, what newer versino would you like? |
| 20:20.43 | somiaj | harpyon: ^^ |
| 20:20.48 | somiaj | happytux: bad tab completion, sorry |
| 20:21.11 | harpyon | I.. think I'm running wheezy? On a vps, how can I check? :p |
| 20:21.18 | harpyon | Either way, I need 7.3.584+ |
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| 20:22.03 | somiaj | harpyon: well if you are running 7.3.547 then you are on wheezy, you can cat /etc/debian_version, etc |
| 20:22.20 | somiaj | harpyon: okay well you will have to comiple this yourself (do not install testing/sid packages in wheezy, but compile your own custom package) |
| 20:22.35 | somiaj | harpyon: if the 7.4.273 version in jessie/sid works for you, follow these instructions |
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| 20:23.04 | somiaj | harpyon: they will try to build a custom vim package against wheezy libs. I sometimes suggest doing this in a chroot if you don't want to install all the build tools on your main system. |
| 20:23.17 | nousun | zykotick9: thanks |
| 20:24.10 | harpyon | Alright, I'll play around for a bit and see what works the best. Thanks |
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| 20:29.21 | fep | i have an alpha antenna wich should be at least at 30 dBm but i cant increase it, read all posts onluine , please help me' |
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| 20:31.38 | teraflops | but an antena is like a pencil no? i mean the txpower is related to the wireless iface not the antenna, am i wrong fep ? |
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| 20:32.50 | fep | teraflops, the antenna is build to done modified after it came to the right country |
| 20:33.00 | teraflops | uhm |
| 20:33.15 | happytux | somiaj: oh |
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| 20:38.40 | kingsley | A video of open source hardware running a GUI is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRr-BUbBV88 |
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| 20:42.47 | Guest12317 | xD |
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| 20:43.58 | fep | really |
| 20:44.04 | fep | ive done this before |
| 20:44.08 | fep | spare me |
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| 20:44.19 | gbr8231 | i changed the default ssh port and restarted the service, but now when i try to connect using the -p switch and specifying the port, it's timing out |
| 20:45.20 | gbr8231 | oh actually it may have to do with the key i generated |
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| 20:53.12 | petn-randall | gbr8231: Remember your firewall ... :) |
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| 21:10.01 | mdim | hi all. I've just set up /tmp to be mounted as tmpfs. Is there a way to change the size of it? Right now it's 3.9 GB, half of my main memory |
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| 21:16.26 | zykotick9 | mdim: i'm just curious, but WHY? |
| 21:16.51 | zykotick9 | mdim: i mean, why /tmp as tmpfs, not why make it bigger... |
| 21:17.07 | Argentino | hello sorry that this country is server? |
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| 21:18.46 | petn-randall | Argentino: Your country is a server? And you're sorry about it? Can you rephrase your question? |
| 21:20.22 | vook | I understand complete. Apology accepted Argentino |
| 21:20.27 | vook | ly |
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| 21:26.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. I have this Wheezy machine on which the USB keyboard and mouse stopped working completely yesterday. It happens as soon as the kernel initializes the PCI bus. |
| 21:26.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | However, it works fine in BIOS, GRUB2 and a Fedora live CD. Is this a known issue? |
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| 21:26.55 | module000 | Eduard_Munteanu: using a USB hub? try bypassing it if so. |
| 21:26.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | It also works if I boot the kernel with pci=off. |
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| 21:27.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | module000: no, directly connected into mobo ports. |
| 21:27.38 | module000 | Eduard_Munteanu: what changed yesterday? update to udev or kernel? |
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| 21:27.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | module000: nothing that I know of |
| 21:28.14 | ted20 | Why i don't see images in other terminal than xterm (w3m with images support)? |
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| 21:29.19 | module000 | Eduard_Munteanu: might want to check your logs, make sure kernel or udev didn't update. no obvious reason without an update for those components to stop working. |
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| 21:29.48 | zykotick9 | ted20: it worked in rxvt-unicode (aka urxvt) for me when i tested a while ago... best of luck. |
| 21:30.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | module000: oh, wait, ls -al says the kernel dates from 13th May. |
| 21:31.07 | acu | I am installing debian wheezy amd64 - netinstall usb stick, in a computer without CDrom - but it does not go through, is the installer messed up, or is normal not to be able to install if you have no cd rom (by the way I choose UEFI ) and the instalation start fine from the USB stick and go through install untill cd |
| 21:31.10 | ted20 | zykotick9: It works in xterm 'course, so I'm changing the terminal ;) |
| 21:31.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | module000: linux-image-amd64 version 3.2+46 |
| 21:31.51 | acu | No common CD-rom drive was detected |
| 21:31.56 | module000 | Eduard_Munteanu: boot your previous kernel and see if the issue goes away. if so...might want to diff the two configs and look for any red flags |
| 21:32.35 | petn-randall | acu: How did you prepare the USB stick? |
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| 21:33.15 | acu | downloaded the iso (with the non-free firmware) then as root I did cat debian...iso > /dev/sdb |
| 21:33.48 | acu | petn-randall, the installation starts and goes fine, until Detec and mound CD-rom |
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| 21:37.05 | petn-randall | acu: I installed fine via USB on an UEFI machine (the one I'm typing on). Your problem is a very typical one if the USB stick is prepared via the various live USB creators. |
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| 21:37.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, how do I go back to the previous kernel version? |
| 21:37.50 | petn-randall | acu: Did you verify your download via the published hashes? |
| 21:38.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | apt-cache policy and apt-show-versions don't mention older versions. |
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| 21:38.54 | petn-randall | !tell Eduard_Munteanu -about snapshots |
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| 21:39.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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| 21:54.00 | gbr8231 | hi i'm trying to use ssh-copy-id to transfer ssh pubkey to another machine, but it's asking for a password. what password is this? the destination's root password? |
| 21:55.23 | b0ngz | so... why doesn't apache have full access to /var/www by default? |
| 21:55.39 | Mousey | because that's a redhatism |
| 21:55.52 | b0ngz | wordpress doesnt work properly until i chown the directory for www-data |
| 21:56.02 | vook | what software / package would be used for a USB temperature sensor (to measure server room temp)? |
| 21:56.05 | b0ngz | annoying |
| 21:56.09 | petn-randall | b0ngz: Why should www-data have write access there by default? |
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| 21:56.24 | b0ngz | because wordpress needs to write |
| 21:56.38 | b0ngz | as do many other php programs |
| 21:57.04 | petn-randall | b0ngz: It's called "secure by default". Btw, fixing this cost you probably less time than writing about it. :) |
| 21:57.06 | b0ngz | wordpress couldnt create a config file |
| 21:57.19 | b0ngz | took me an hour lol |
| 21:57.28 | b0ngz | it was annoying |
| 21:57.47 | vook | the AC unit died in my server room today, and I walked in and found it at ~110 degrees. It'd be nice to be alerted to this before systems start overheating... |
| 21:57.47 | b0ngz | but yeah, secure by default is good |
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| 21:58.02 | acu | is it better to go with uefi or bios |
| 21:58.35 | petn-randall | acu: I'd pick UEFI. But if you have another OS installed, you have to stick with what you currently have. |
| 21:58.38 | acu | I just burned and attached a cd drive, but I think the installer should go on without the CD drive - usb only should be good |
| 21:58.56 | acu | petn-randall, I install it from scratch on this machine |
| 21:59.09 | acu | I wonder if I can have /boot and /uefi ? |
| 21:59.23 | acu | if I move the hard drive to a non-uerfi machine |
| 22:00.00 | petn-randall | acu: You need an UEFI system partition, which is something else than /boot (which you don't need to have on a separate partition, grub can boot fine from your root partition). |
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| 22:01.02 | acu | petn-randal: I am planning to have LVM a VGroot with / and swap LVMs - I wondered if I need /boot then the VG or not |
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| 22:02.09 | b0ngz | so whats the best way to give www-data full access to /var/www? |
| 22:02.22 | b0ngz | wordpress needs it |
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| 22:03.17 | acu | b0ngz, do not know the details but you could to chown |
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| 22:03.23 | acu | !chown |
| 22:03.24 | dpkg | it has been said that chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt |
| 22:03.25 | b0ngz | also, is mysql 5.6 going to be standard in jessie? |
| 22:03.42 | b0ngz | i hope so |
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| 22:04.21 | acu | that is going to be next year, well, probably the freeze is in nov |
| 22:04.35 | acu | use postgresql instead of mysql |
| 22:04.42 | acu | !postgresql |
| 22:04.43 | dpkg | PostgreSQL is a robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of <SQL>. Supports views, stored procedures, triggers and scripting. Packaged in Debian, read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ("for the impatient"). http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql http://postgresql.org/ #postgresql on irc.freenode.net. See also <postgresql wheezy>, <phppgadmin>, <pg readline>, <postgresql backports>. |
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| 22:05.10 | b0ngz | can wordpress use postgre? |
| 22:05.42 | b0ngz | i like mysql and heard 5.6 is super fast compared to 5.5 |
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| 22:10.02 | nkuttler | b0ngz: no |
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| 22:15.15 | vook | you can use mariadb with wordpress |
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| 22:25.21 | b0ngz | why isnt mariadb in the debian repos? |
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| 22:27.31 | petern_ | it's in testing and unstable |
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| 22:32.36 | mdim | zykotick9: why not? For example, it is faster |
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| 22:36.18 | mdim | so, the question was - how to set the size of a tmpfs mount point, e.g. of /tmp ? |
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| 22:45.53 | M4dH4TT3r | hello |
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| 22:46.05 | M4dH4TT3r | having some trouble with an install |
| 22:46.28 | M4dH4TT3r | pastebin.com/LHNVG5jc |
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| 22:56.17 | cypherman | hi, can anyone help me on PHP, or invite me to the pho channel? |
| 22:56.23 | cypherman | php* |
| 22:57.09 | jordanm | cypherman: it's not invite only, you just have to register your nick with freenode |
| 22:57.28 | jordanm | !register |
| 22:57.28 | dpkg | jordanm: /msg nickserv help |
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| 22:57.53 | b0ngz | laughs at cypherman |
| 23:00.27 | cypherman | b0ngz: smartass |
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| 23:00.39 | b0ngz | cypherman: dumbass |
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| 23:00.55 | cypherman | b0ngz: kissmyass |
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| 23:05.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Bleh, downgrading the kernel from the security update didn't help. I'll just downgrade everything to previous month's stuff, or perhaps move to backports |
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| 23:10.33 | gbr8231 | can i use ssh in a way that controls the server machine like if i launch a graphical program it will display it on the server's screen instead of X forwarding to my screen? |
| 23:11.15 | petern_ | Yes |
| 23:11.17 | teraflops | yes we can |
| 23:11.55 | teraflops | but consider the bandwith petern_ |
| 23:11.55 | gbr8231 | ok i'm just discovering ssh today and using it for the first time so that may have been a dumb question |
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| 23:12.39 | teraflops | sorry I mean gbr8231 petern_ |
| 23:12.46 | vook | 1/clear |
| 23:13.22 | gbr8231 | does it use more bandwidth? i just want to control the other machine like remote control. since the other computer (server) will be connected to a monitor and i want to use it like a TV to give it youtube links and stuff |
| 23:13.47 | gbr8231 | how would i do it by the way? |
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| 23:14.36 | epitamizor | just tell X what display u want it on |
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| 23:15.25 | gbr8231 | so ssh in normally? |
| 23:15.30 | gbr8231 | or with ssh -X |
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| 23:15.45 | epitamizor | y ssh for video? |
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| 23:16.08 | gbr8231 | because vnc isn't as secure |
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| 23:18.17 | gbr8231 | how do i tell X what display i want it on? |
| 23:18.33 | ski | gbr8231 : inside the SSH session, set `DISPLAY' to `:0.0' or whatever it is set to in the X session running on the server |
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| 23:19.58 | gbr8231 | sorry everything after inside the SSH session is over my head |
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| 23:30.18 | ckindley | Hi folks, I'm having trouble with NFSv4. On the server, I've got rpcbind, rpc.idmapd, and rpc.nfsd going. Exports are set up right and valid only for clients on the subnet. Attempting to mount gives "access denied by server while mounting" and tcpdump shows lots of "reply ERR 20: Auth Bogus Credentials (seal broken)" |
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| 23:32.32 | Ondraash | Hi, I have a problem with CUDA on Debian Testing |
| 23:33.01 | Ondraash | everything was working fine, nvidia-driver and CUDA toolkit from the repo |
| 23:33.41 | Ondraash | today, I updated the driver and everything offered by the repo and now none of my CUDA stuff works |
| 23:33.59 | Ondraash | I have checked several times for consistency of versions of the driver and the various libraries |
| 23:34.10 | Ondraash | all seems fine, nvidia-smi does not complain |
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| 23:34.36 | Ondraash | programs build fine, but fail at runtime, not "finding CUDA" |
| 23:34.51 | Ondraash | or in the case of VMD, saying there is mismatch between runtime and driver |
| 23:34.54 | Ondraash | any ideas? |
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| 23:47.07 | stripe | mi all just noticed a user called "statd" running in HTOP on a fresh install of 7.4.0, it looks like a monitoring daemon for GLcpu, should it be there or is something amiss? |
| 23:47.14 | stripe | hi* |
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| 23:49.09 | redpill | prob just the nsa, also i do not think that htop is installed by default. but i may be wrong |
| 23:49.17 | redpill | stripe: ^ |
| 23:50.00 | stripe | red pill all I installed was htop and tmux |
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| 23:57.24 | redpill | my system does not even have a statd user, was this installed by a hosting company or is it a home server |
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| 23:58.19 | stripe | clean install from a debian iso. |
| 23:59.28 | stripe | no user statd when #users run in terminal |
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