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00:01.58M4dH4TT3rstripe can you do my payment processing for me?
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00:02.27stripeM4dH4TT3r, ??
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00:02.55mtnstripe: if you google "debian statd", you will find some interesting reading ;)
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00:03.10redpilli guess maybe it may because of differnt gpu, I have sandy bridge (intel gfx)
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00:03.58redpillbut it prob is an altcoin miner and/or the nsa lol
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00:25.33leo-unglaubhey, i upgraded my debian webserver and now i get the following error message: http://paste.debian.net/plain/99616
00:25.36leo-unglaubanyone an idea?
00:29.11dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: try running usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5-fcgi and see what fails.
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00:29.41leo-unglaubdondelelcaro: the directoy is empty
00:30.10dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: well, then there you go
00:30.17dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: you don't have php5-fcgi installed
00:30.26dondelelcaroor whatever provided that binary
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00:30.36leo-unglaubno, because on my secound server with the same config /but still apache 2.2 its empty as well
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00:30.46leo-unglaubbut works there
00:31.16leo-unglaubphp-fpm is installed
00:33.00dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: then you probably have the fastcgi configuration block wrong, or something else incorrect for that server.
00:33.23dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: I can't remember off the top of my head what that looks like, but ISTR that you just call /usr/lib/php5/php5 or something like that
00:34.39leo-unglaubit's the same blog as here for years: https://votecharlie.com/blog/2014/02/setting-up-php-fpm-on-rimuhosting-ubuntu-1304-vps.html
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00:38.01dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: and what is your  FastCgiExternalServer line? is php5-fpm running on the appropriate port/socket?
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00:38.41leo-unglaubyes, the phpfpm sockets exist
00:38.43leo-unglauband are running
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00:40.38dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: and what is your  FastCgiExternalServer line?
00:41.02leo-unglaubFastCgiExternalServer /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5-fcgi -socket /var/run/php5-fpm.sock -pass-header Authorization -idle-timeout 120
00:41.36dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: ok, and what are the permissions of /var/run/php5-fpm.sock?
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00:41.58leo-unglaubsrw-rw----  1 root       root
00:42.04dondelelcaroyeah, that's not going to work
00:42.27leo-unglaubbut thats the default
00:42.32dondelelcaroyeah, it's a bug
00:42.35leo-unglaubdu you think it's a bug in debian?
00:42.37dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747195
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00:43.06leo-unglaubhahaha
00:43.09leo-unglaubgreat *g*
00:43.16leo-unglaubnow i know that bug to follow :)
00:43.23leo-unglaubthank you 100000 times!
00:43.35dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: no problem; the fix is actually pretty easy
00:43.38dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: it's in that bug log
00:44.03dondelelcaro(basically, the default owner/group should have been www-data, not root)
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00:45.44leo-unglaubwell thats strange
00:45.51leo-unglaubbecause i had them already set in there
00:45.57leo-unglaubso get it work in apache2.2
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00:46.58leo-unglaubbut with listen.owner = www-data listen.group = www-data it works
00:47.05leo-unglaubowner != listen.owner
00:47.12leo-unglaubbut thanks for your help!!!
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00:47.56dondelelcaroleo-unglaub: no problem; glad it worked out
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02:19.51DragostiniHi everyone. I've got a VPS running Debian Wheezy on it, with LAMP stack + Dovecot + Postfix. I've just done a vulnerability scan with Nexpose; and many of the vulnerabilities found come from Apache 2.2.22. I'd like to upgrade to 2.2.25 or 2.2.27, is this possible on Wheezy, as I don't believe Apache 2.4 is available for Debian yet is it? I've tried just simply Apt-get update and Apt-get Upgrade, but apparently everything in the repos I have listed is up to
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02:25.36CyberSixupgrade to jessie?
02:26.34DragostiniCyberSix: forgive me, but I've not really kept up with Debian in a while, I'm typically an OpenSUSE user but my VPS provider didn't have it as an option so I went Debian. Jessie I assume is the next release? Is it out / stable or in development / testing?
02:26.58dvs!jessie
02:27.00dpkgThe release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0.  It is the current <testing> distribution.  Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html .  See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>.
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02:27.32Dragostiniand does Jessie support upgraded versions of Apache? 2.2.27 or 2.4?
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02:29.00somiaj,v apache2
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02:29.20DragostiniI'll ask on the other network, the testing channel.
02:29.21Dragostini:D
02:29.28somiajhmm seems judd isn't responding
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02:29.45somiaj2.4.9-1 -- the version in jessie
02:29.53DragostiniAwesome.
02:29.58DragostiniThanks somiaj
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02:51.07stripeby*
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02:58.15somiajmdim: check /etc/default/tmpfs
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03:33.31centrxbonjoyee, It's on OFTC
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03:35.29NotJimCarreyever since my sid install changed to systemd, everything has been going nuts
03:35.33NotJimCarreygeez
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03:35.58centrxNotJimCarrey, Is sid on systemd now?
03:36.10bonjoyeecentrx: i want help about gdm3 in debian sid
03:36.11NotJimCarreylike if i try using E18, it restarts my nvidia module
03:36.35NotJimCarreycentrx: yup
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03:36.41centrxit begins!
03:36.49NotJimCarreylol
03:36.50somiajNotJimCarrey: do you want to use systemd or stick with sysvinit?
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03:37.18NotJimCarreysomiaj: i WAS all for trying to make it all work, but going back to sysvinit is looking better every day
03:37.43somiajNotJimCarrey: well I haven't had any problems with systend but I don't use gnome stuff or a display manager.
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03:37.54charliegreenHello! I'm having issues getting wifi working. I'm on a Macbook Pro with a Broadcom chipset BCM4331. I've installed b43, and the interface comes up, but it says firmware is missing. Here's my failed attempt: http://pastebin.com/aqVsA5mH
03:37.59NotJimCarreyjust had to hard reboot because my tty was just getting spammed with systemd errors
03:38.06somiajNotJimCarrey: but both will be supported in jessie, you'll just have to remove teh transitional packages and install the new sysvinit packages and you can use that instead.
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03:38.19charliegreenI'm on wheezy, btw
03:38.41somiajcharliegreen: that is one of the more annoying firmwares, anyways do you havea  wired internet connenction you to can use, it makes it so much easier
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03:39.41NotJimCarreysomehow, if i have both xbmc & chrome-beta running, it locks up X
03:39.49charliegreensomiaj: that's what I'm using right now, but it's really inconvenient, and I can't it most of the day
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03:40.00somiajcharliegreen: debian only provides the firmware cutter packages, you need to download the firmware to cut it
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03:40.03NotJimCarreycan't use E18 anymore (or even get it to compile)
03:40.21somiajcharliegreen: oh good, we'll get ya up and running, it is just mcuh easier to do this with an internet connenction. Have you added contrib/non-free to your souces.list?
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03:40.44charliegreensomiaj: Thank you! And yes!
03:41.17charliegreensomiaj: According to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Device_firmware_installation, all I have to do is install firmware-b43-installer
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03:41.42charliegreensomiaj: but that failed, as in my earlier pastebin link, http://pastebin.com/aqVsA5mH
03:41.43somiajcharliegreen: okay, run 'apt-get install firmware-b43-installer' this should automate the whole process including downloading the firmware, cutting it out and putting it in /lib/firmware
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03:42.17somiaj,pciid 14e4:4331
03:42.23somiajoh wait judd isn't here, :(
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03:43.05charliegreensomiaj: the b43legacy installer doesn't work, and tells me to use the b43 one
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03:44.06somiajcharliegreen: this is a bug, trying to find a workaround, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682427
03:44.07charliegreensomiaj: there's some other package here, lpphy or something; any idea what that might be? It seems I already had it installed from an earlier attempt to get stuff working
03:44.35somiajcharliegreen: I think you are going about this incorrect, lets figure out how to cut the firmware out, y ou shoudln't need to isntall additional software/tools
03:44.44NotJimCarreysomiaj: you think this could be part of my problem? just noticed that both sysvinit & systemd are installed
03:44.46somiajcharliegreen: looks like you might have to manually cut the firmware out, which we can do.
03:45.04somiajNotJimCarrey: it should only be one at a time, but there are some compadability packages
03:45.26somiajNotJimCarrey: are you sure teh sysvinit is not just a 'transitional' package that points at systemd to make it switch during the upgrade process?
03:45.28charliegreensomiaj: Alright. Well, there's a fix in your link! :D What's the postinst script, though?
03:45.51NotJimCarreyapt-get shows these installed: systemd systemd-sysv systemd-ui sysvinit sysvinit-utils
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03:46.04somiajcharliegreen: it is the script that runs after the package as been isntalled and configured, localed iv /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.postinst
03:46.12somiajNotJimCarrey: look at the package description
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03:46.42bonjoyeei need help..my debian sid install is broken since gdm3 updated to 3.8.4-7
03:46.55somiajNotJimCarrey: "System-V-like init utilities - metapackage This package is an essential metapackage which allows you to select from three available init systems in Debian (sysvinit, upstart, systemd) while ensuring that one of these is available on the system at all times.
03:47.05NotJimCarreysomiaj: none say 'transitional'
03:47.15charliegreensomiaj: Hmm, alright. And I use the provided diff to patch it, then reinstall?
03:47.15somiajNotJimCarrey: and it has that name to ensure during the upgrade packages transition, seems they are using it as a meta package
03:47.32NotJimCarreyyeah
03:47.46somiaj,v b43-fwcutter
03:48.11somiajNotJimCarrey: it is a different use, but basicaly a package to transition to the new init defaults
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03:49.04charliegreensomiaj: ",v"? So.. diff /var/lib/dpkg/info/firmware-b43-installer.postinst, then run b43-fwcutter..? I'm sorry, I'm confused
03:49.12NotJimCarreysomiaj: all i know is that right after i installed it, everything went haywire
03:49.13NotJimCarreylol
03:49.45somiajcharliegreen: I am not seeing where the fix is in the bugreport, but I do notice that it is fixed in sid, you could /msg dpkg ssb, make a backport of b43-fwcutter with the fix
03:50.02somiajNotJimCarrey: well you get to test the upgrade process to the new defaults (:
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03:50.28NotJimCarreyah, 'apt-get install sysvinit-core' switches for me
03:50.32NotJimCarreymore or less
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03:51.09somiajNotJimCarrey: yea seems teh tree possibilities are 'sysvinit-core', upstart or systemd-sysv and my guess is systemd-sysv is gonna be the default unless you specifiy otherways
03:51.12charliegreensomiaj: it's right after "The following trivial change to the postinst script fixes the problem". How do backports work, if you don't mind my asking? Should I talk to dpkg?
03:51.36NotJimCarreysomiaj: your opinion on what's currently "better"?
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03:52.09somiajcharliegreen: in that case I would just use vim, and edit the fil by hand (since I didn't see the pathc) add the one line so your device gets set up and try 'dpgk --configure -a'
03:52.11NotJimCarreyit could be that i'm just too use to sysvinit
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03:52.32somiajNotJimCarrey: I'm a systemd naysayer, but it is where things are going. Over all systemd source has less bugs. (:
03:52.37charliegreensomiaj: Awesome! Thank you!!
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03:53.27NotJimCarreysomiaj: well you just sealed the deal for me then, at least for now. think i'll switch back to sysvinit until i figure out systemd more
03:54.00somiajNotJimCarrey: I have switched to systemd on my sid system and I have to say I must have switched (I did the manual swithc) at the right time because it was very smooth for me and I have not noticed any issues (but I run a simple WM so I don't use most the DE integration)
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03:54.55NotJimCarreysomiaj: i hand build a lot of stuff, most of which get put into init.d
03:55.00somiajNotJimCarrey: My experience is it is just a new system to learn, and I personally don't need any of the new features, but sysvinit really shows it limitations.
03:55.06NotJimCarreythe initial change was a nightmare
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03:55.43somiajNotJimCarrey: I'm forcing myself to learn it as I want to be able to support it here and I want to see if I notice any difference.
03:55.51nestle19on my server with raid1 (2x 2TB) and when it first installed, it was doing a raid resync or something in /proc/mdstat (software raid).. i let it finish to 100%.. once it was no longer doing any sync i began using the server. Now randomly a week ago it started resyncing again.. I've been told this can be normal? so my question is.. it says [=========>...........]  check = 47.3% (920534400/1945569088) finish=17063.2min speed=1000K/sec so if it was to reboot
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03:56.25NotJimCarreysomiaj: i have a beater system i may try it on. it breaks, i just reimage it
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03:56.44nestle19NotJimCarrey theres always virtual machines
03:57.00somiajNotJimCarrey: but switching to uefi boot and systemd at the same time (and an ssd) my machine boots faster than it posts.
03:57.03NotJimCarreynestle19: i run a few of those too :)
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03:58.48NotJimCarreyjust wish i could get nvidia/E18 working again
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04:00.44charliegreensomiaj: HOLYYHSIHIHYSKHSLJFODSLAJFMOICWERAJFDSLOIAFHSJLIURHGFLKASDFJALKSDFJLASDKFJ IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING AND EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M SO HAPPY
04:01.10NotJimCarreywow
04:01.10NotJimCarreylol
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04:03.02charliegreensomiaj: now it's just taking forever to connect, but that seems to just be an issue with my wifi settings. SOMIAJ I LOVE YOU
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04:04.00somiajcharliegreen: did you reload the wifi module or reboot?
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04:04.39charliegreensomiaj: I just ran dpkg-reconfigure and suddenly I started seeing networks; I imagine it would reload the module?
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04:05.02somiajcharliegreen: the scripts might reload the module, but I would do it again just to be safe
04:05.10somiajcharliegreen: modprobe -r b43 && modprobe b43
04:05.21charliegreensomiaj: ok, awesome, thank you!
04:06.18somiajthen look at dmesg and make sure it correctly loaded the firmware
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04:06.59charliegreensomiaj: holycraptacos, I just connected to wifi
04:07.05charliegreensomiaj: you are a wizard.
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04:07.55lrockhqWould a question about configuring Firefox on Debian Stable be appropriate here?
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04:09.30centrxlrockhq, Sure
04:09.32nicholosophylrockhq, what sort of configuration
04:09.41somiajlrockhq: why are you not running iceweasel?
04:09.53lrockhqnot sure if this is possible, or if it is a 'user scripts' type of question
04:10.00lrockhqhahaha, it is iceweasel. i'm sorry
04:10.04lrockhqi am running iceweasel
04:10.07charlieg1eensomiaj: I am now free of my ethernet tether! Is there any way I can repay you?
04:10.14centrx!love
04:10.14dpkgLove is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the ice weasels come.
04:10.18somiajcharlieg1een: have fun
04:10.21nicholosophyye shall not mention the heathen name of firefox
04:10.38lrockhqI'd like to change the window-title text that occupies the space to the left of iconify,maximize,close
04:10.40somiajlrockhq: just making sure you weren't trying to configure some custom firefox install, but configs are usually in the $HOME dir
04:10.58lrockhqi'd like to change that text to display the domain or the URL instead of the provided titles
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04:11.17somiajlrockhq: firefox sets the title to be the curernt page title, not sure if this is configurable or not via firefox.
04:11.19charlieg1eensomiaj: Alright! Well, I am indebted to you. ~bows gratiously~
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04:11.33NotJimCarreysomiaj: um, just to make sure, to switch back to sysvinit, i just install sysvinit-core, and remove systemd-sysv, right?
04:11.36nicholosophylrockhq, you'd need a plugin I'd imagine
04:11.44lrockhqthanks somiaj, i guess i ought to go look at the text config file
04:12.01charlieg1eenI must now leave if I am to get dinner, though, so I bid thee farewell! somiaj, I love you! <3
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04:12.21somiajNotJimCarrey: I haven't played with switching back and forth, let me know how it works.
04:12.24nicholosophylrockhq, also in the newest versions of f*refox the chrome is very different
04:12.34NotJimCarreysomiaj: lol, will do
04:12.37lrockhqnicholosophy, yes i was thinking more along the lines of 'user scripts' or 'custom css' but i've never fiddled with those at all
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04:13.04nicholosophyto be frank, firefox copied the layout of google chrome now
04:13.15lrockhqi know about the change to the look and feel if that's what you mean nicholosophy, my other laptop is running Fedora 20 which has the new polished Chrome-esque thang goin' on
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04:13.23lrockhqi don't like it, but i'm not as up-in-arms as some are
04:13.24somiajlrockhq: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/customize-titlebar/
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04:13.39nicholosophyI care about functioning web browsing
04:13.43nicholosophyso I'm fine with it
04:13.51nicholosophysomiaj, good find
04:13.53lrockhqdamn somiaj, just goes to show I came here for companionship and not an answer. look how ez you retrieved that!
04:14.07lrockhqi coulda done the same i think, so thank you for working for me, checks in the mail
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04:14.42nicholosophyif I want to have email, calendar and contacts and not use evolution, what are my options? Mail is imap, contacts carddav, calendar caldav
04:14.45somiajgooglefu is my friend. (:
04:15.02lrockhqoh and i almost forgot a plain old "Thank you" somiaj
04:15.02nicholosophyicedove for mail of course, but lightning is pretty dead isn't it?
04:15.04lrockhqcheers
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04:15.11mdimis there a way to make dhclient keep on trying to get an address for an interface? The problem I have is that a DHCP client might boot faster than a DHCP server (after a power failure), leaving the client without an address
04:15.14somiajnicholosophy: if you like mozilla procjects, icedove might work for ya
04:15.47nicholosophysomiaj, to be honest I'd prefer something else but I've found little else functional
04:15.52somiajnicholosophy: though if you dn't fear google, I have personally found gmail what I like and switched away from local clients.
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04:16.10nicholosophyah
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04:16.35nicholosophyI'm avoiding paying the whatever it is a month for apps accounts these days since I have a massive web server doing jack all
04:16.40lrockhqsomiaj, is that due to Gmails IMAP implementation being so "unique" or is that because you actually prefer their web interface?
04:16.40nicholosophybut maybr I should just bite the bullet
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04:16.46somiajif you like cli go with mutt (:
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04:17.54somiajlrockhq: more just the fact I only have to https from the client and all the mail is done on googles servers.
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04:18.36somiajlrockhq: swtichign networks, getting email notificatiosn on my phone, my home isp won't let me use my own smtp server so I ahve to swithc smtp server configs as I move from network to network. Now all I need is a web browser
04:18.41lrockhqgotcha somiaj, i have nothing against their interface. I would prefer to not be using gmail at all, but I haven't got off my ass and fired up my own mail servers yet.
04:18.50somiajlrockhq: though it does help my work uses google for all their email so I have a enterprise account.
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04:19.04nestle19i use xeams mail server, its pretty good
04:19.07lrockhqsounds like a fine scheme to me somiaj
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04:19.34nicholosophyI used to sign all my web hosting clients to gmail
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04:19.47nicholosophybut now it's $10 or whatever it is I can't just do that
04:19.53lrockhqI have so many learning experiences to tackle (building web site, recording my music, producing a radio program) i've pushed the self run email server off to the back burner
04:19.55nestle19its like a portable mailserver thats all in one. but i might try to switch to iredmail which uses postfox and dovecot
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04:20.30nicholosophyI'm currently using dovecot and postfix but that's because I used a webadmin on that box
04:20.36nestle19i used to compile apache/php manually but now ive just gone ahead and jsut do apt-get install apache2 and php5 etc and just do it that way now
04:20.40nestle19cant be bothered
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04:21.26somiajnicholosophy: looking though apt-cache search email client, found claws-mail might be intersting
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04:21.56nicholosophyah, cheers
04:22.06somiajnicholosophy: few others you could test out in there, geary for gnome, kmail for kde
04:22.39nicholosophyok cool, thanks sir
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04:24.09NotJimCarreysomiaj: i dunno if it worked, can't remember how to tell which one is being used
04:24.10NotJimCarreylol
04:24.34Rusty1mdim:  as i trundle off to bed , i remember that typing: man dhclient in a terminal mentions a .conf file
04:24.35somiajNotJimCarrey: you can only have one or the other installed
04:24.46NotJimCarreybut, still can't run E18, getting this error in /var/log/messages:
04:24.49NotJimCarrey"May 14 21:15:01 bastian kernel: ACPI Warning: \x5c_SB_.PCI0.PEG3.GFX0._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch - Found [Buffer], ACPI requires [Package] (20131218/nsarguments-95)"
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04:25.33somiajNotJimCarrey: but look for pid 1, 'ps fax' should have /sbin/init as pid 1, so look at the link 'ls -l /sbin/init'
04:26.14somiajNotJimCarrey: you can also see if systemd has any of its childern running (on my system I have mutliple systemd-foo processes running
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04:26.58NotJimCarreysomiaj: only /lib/systemd/systemd-logind running
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04:34.37NotJimCarreysomiaj: do you by chance have any idea what that ACPI error could mean?
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04:36.54somiajNotJimCarrey: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/37465 -- seems it is because your bios is bad and those might not be the errors that are stoping e18 from working
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04:39.46NotJimCarreysomiaj: nice find, thanks
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04:40.10NotJimCarreybinary blob was mentioned too, dunno why i haven't tried reinstalling the driver
04:40.12NotJimCarreylol
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05:24.57thingamabobhi, i change /org/gnome/desktop/sessionidle-delay to 7200 and the screen saver still activate after 600 sec., i try also restart X, what i am doing wrong?
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05:44.07tasabhello , hv 2 o/s win7 + debian wheezy , couple of days i run upgrade for linux , unfortunately the windows disappear not monitoring on the grub loader , can you pls help how to fix    thanks
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05:48.10wols_tasab: please pastebin the output of these commands (you must them run as root): fdisk -l;update-grub
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05:52.05tasabwols_ , the required is here http://pastebin.com/y7WLL0PA -
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05:53.19wols_tasab: you cannot have windows 7 installed, you have not NTFS partition on your harddisk. Windows 7 only works with NTFS
05:53.43wols_not even sure XP can use FAT
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05:54.34tasabwols_,  sori it is win xp o/s , and before couple of days working as well
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05:56.30wols_tasab: and it will work again. see line 24 of your paste.
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05:56.51wols_update-grub recognized XP and entered it into your boot menu again
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06:00.01tasabwols_, pls send the command for upgrading the grub , appreciated.
06:00.57tasabis it like apt-get update grub , wols_
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06:01.50nicholosophytasab, I elieve you need to run the command 'update-grub'
06:01.54nicholosophybelieve*
06:02.16wols_and you already ean update-grub, since I told you to do that
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06:03.20tasabwols_, done , will reboot then back 2 U , tks
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06:03.49cesurasean1how would i go about searching my entire system for a string server.simplewebhosting.us and replacing it with server.simpletechnology.us ?
06:04.00cesurasean1i want to search every file on my server, too.
06:05.05nicholosophysed
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06:05.51nicholosophysed -i 's/ugly/beautiful/g' file
06:06.06nicholosophyI suppose if you want it to be every file you'd need to use a find and pipe the names to sed
06:06.17nicholosophypretty dangerous move though if you aren't careful
06:06.41nicholosophyadios
06:06.45tasabwols_,  thanks a lot both system loading and working now  - appreciate . cya
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06:13.23Overlordzas a Windows user for 20+ years, and a Debian/Ubuntu user for ~1 year, it just keeps amazing me how easy it is to get software with apt-get...
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06:26.09SM0TVIAnyone know how to install debian on a machine without CD or USB stick (e.g. netinstall), I have areally old linux machine I want to put the latest Debian on.
06:26.22digdilemSM0TVI, pxe
06:26.50SM0TVIdigdilem: ?
06:27.07digdilemaka network boot. google it, that'll take you to guides
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06:27.50digdilemSM0TVI, https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
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06:30.56SM0TVIdigdilem: Can't do that (can't disable modem DHCP). Any way to download the debian netinstaller and simply booting into it?
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06:31.27howsitehey
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06:31.44digdilemSM0TVI, nafiak.
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06:33.47howsitehow do you configure a vnc server with a putty vps
06:33.58howsitedoes anyone have a site they sell shit on I have extra money
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06:46.29epitamizorhow do i  keep remote x11 session active if connection drops?
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06:47.04wols_don't use remote X, use VNC
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06:47.18epitamizori use vnc yes
06:47.47wols_then the remote X server and client will continue to run
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06:49.27epitamizorbut if the vnc console exits then the connection is dropped
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06:49.52epitamizorall the applications are closed if that happens
06:50.06epitamizorI want it to be persistant
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06:51.19wols_you run a local X server (not a vnc X server) and a separate vnc server like vino
06:51.59epitamizoryeah
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06:53.40phy1729Where can I find the code of ifdown?
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06:54.37phy1729nevermind I should google first not in parallel
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06:55.47epitamizorhow do I run the local X server and be able to allow connect remotely?
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06:58.26wols_epitamizor: what vnc server are you using?
06:58.40wols_epitamizor: and what videocard has your remote host?
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06:59.27epitamizorx11vnc with vncviewer
06:59.37epitamizorrun ati setup
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07:01.37wols_epitamizor: your x11vnc might exit when you stop your X session, is that it?
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07:24.53trebor_dkiis it possible to start debian7-installer from within a running debian-6 system? (dvd-drive broken, usb does not boot (efi)) - what keywords do i have to search for to find howtos/infos (did not find anything right now)?
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07:31.09babilentrebor_dki: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd
07:31.16babilendpkg: tell trebor_dki -about debootstrap
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07:31.53babilentrebor_dki: Both approaches are possible (note that debootstrap will *not* run debian-installer)
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07:32.20babilentrebor_dki: But why can't you boot from your USB? Have you tried?
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07:34.33trebor_dkibabilen: yes i tried several methods (macbook late 2006, broken dvd-drive). standard multi-boot usb-sticks do not work due to efi (the work on normal pcs). using iso-2-usb-for-efi with debian7-installer.iso or debian7-live.iso (as boot.iso) did not work either.
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07:35.30trebor_dkibabilen: thanks for your hints, i will read them now. thanks.
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07:39.14SM0TVIdigdilem: Ah, there is a way. Didn't get it to work the first time I tried tho: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#files-lilo
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07:41.04digdilemSM0TVI, interesting. Not seen that method before.
07:41.23trebor_dkibabilen: as i see 5.1.4 (booting from linux using lilo or grub) + 4.4.1 (preparing files for hard-disk-booting / hard disk installer booting from linux using lilo or grub) seem to be exactly what i need.  Thank you very much.
07:41.25digdilemtbh, looks hairy
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07:42.06SM0TVIdigdilem: It works, but you /really/ need to pay attention of the contents of grub.conf
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07:50.51babilentrebor_dki: Yeah, just wanted to point out the "other" approach too :)
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07:52.27digdilemI also have a usb dvd-rom drive that is useful for such things :)
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07:54.57itryHello! I have one computer then is sluggish when using ssh. How would you guys go about finding out why?
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07:55.49castcheck connectivity [ping, say], check system loads [uptime will tell], as a starting point
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07:57.10itrycast: ping seems to be fine. all packets come back in about 51ms. system load is zero.
07:57.56castwhat does sluggish mean? commands slow to return? or a lot of latency in interaction?
07:58.28itrycast: moving the cursor around in vim is not smooth. it sometimes hangs for some milliseconds and then jumps.
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07:59.08castmost often network related, i find turning on SSH compression often helps [-C]
07:59.42itryalthough ping REPORTS about 51ms for all packets, it LOOKS like its sluggish too. ping spits out the lines very irregularely.
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08:01.21casti'm not sure if its possible for it to be a problem with a load of zero...but i'd still check out vmstat 1 10, the si/so/bi/bo columns especially
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08:02.57castthe times i find linux machines most unresponsive seem to generally be disk related :\
08:03.01itrycast: with my other local machines, i dont have that problem. so i dont think the server is the problem.
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08:03.21itryoh! now i see that ping reports 12% packet loss!
08:03.23itryhmm..
08:03.29castah...
08:03.47itrystrange. where can that come from...
08:04.17itryaha! pinging my router also gives me the packet loss.
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08:07.10itrywould be nice if ping could constantly report packacge loss and not only after you hit ctrl+c
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08:07.49D1390how does hostapd behave? I do ifup wlan0 (at 192.168.2.1) then I start hostapd service... then mon.wlan0 appears and the wlan0 IP address disappears and my udhcpd cannot serve IPs to the computers that want to connect. Is that normal?
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08:37.54becker_11I have a debian minimal install on an old XP box that I've setup how I want it & now I want to put it in a back room and ssh into it. I installed ssh server during install but apart from that have never touched ssh and was hoping someone could help me get it set up
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08:54.40alteregoai need some help i had some problems with logfiles
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08:55.12alteregoai need to set up quota for /var/log
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08:56.51pasutisuhoo!
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09:06.33qa_so how do i bind a key to right click
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09:19.59ihitdisplayI've made some settings on vi then saved it in .vimrc but everytime I restart vim it goes back to the state without my settings
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09:21.42ihitdisplayit's like vim is ignoring .vimrc
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09:22.36ihitdisplaycan anyone help me out please?
09:22.37Iridosmaybe something like strace -e open vim
09:22.41Iridoswill tell you?
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09:23.44Iridosmine seems to read $HOME/.vimrc and $HOME/_vimrc
09:24.06Iridosmaybe more like strace -e open vim 2> somefile
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09:24.11Iridosand grep vimrc somefile
09:24.47ihitdisplayIridos, thanks i will check that
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09:25.31Iridosbut I think the most likely guess is that you don't have the "real" full vim installed/active and that you're running vim-tiny
09:25.50Iridosand if you e.g. want syntax highlighting, vim-tiny just cannot do that
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09:27.39Iridoswhat does this return? dpkg -l vim\* |awk '/^ii/{printf "%s  ",$2}END{print " "}'
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09:31.31ihitdisplayIridos, strace doesn't exist
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10:02.36ihitdisplaycan anyone help me out?
10:02.38lkthomashey guys, how could I find out deb package signature ?
10:03.19themilllkthomas: individual binary packages are not signed -- what are you trying to do?
10:03.43lkthomasthemill: our internal GPG already installed but keep complaining source not authrized
10:04.19lkthomasI want to know what's going on, is it new package didn't sign or the key expire
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10:05.55ihitdisplayvi doesn't effect my changes saved in .vimrc
10:07.12lkthomasapt-key list didn't say the key expire
10:07.14ihitdisplayeverytime I restart vi it goes back to the state without settings
10:07.21lkthomashow come the installation would complain
10:07.33themilllkthomas: it's the Release file in the repo that is signed. The Release file has hashes for the Packages file and the Packages file has hashes for the .deb
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10:07.56themilllkthomas: looking at the output of "apt-get update" will provide more useful information as to why the source is not trusted.
10:08.06lkthomasthemill: that means it's not GPG but the hash have problem
10:08.58lkthomasthemill: apt-get update didn't complain anything
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10:09.17themillperhaps you could put the full output of both commands in a pastebin
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10:09.54lkthomasit shows Ign
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10:11.17lkthomasthemill: http://pastebin.com/e2acPLka
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10:12.19themilllkthomas: that would indicate that the Release.gpg file doesn't exist at all -- your repo isn't signed. Also, ubuntu support is in #ubuntu where they will be able to better guide you as to what to do with your repo for ubuntu's apt.
10:12.35lkthomasOK
10:12.36lkthomasthanks
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10:20.40ZorroTusing wheezy, fresh netinstall -- installed kde, attempted to install fglrx ati drivers (dell optiplex 745, radeon x1300) and now -- no graphics. trying to figure out how to back out?
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10:23.57somiajZorroT: how did you install the fglrx drivers?
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10:27.17ihitdisplayIridos, I fixed the problem
10:27.39ihitdisplayIridos, thank you nonetheless
10:28.22ZorroTsomiaj -- stupidly
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10:28.45ZorroTusing apt
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10:30.21rtzuiHi. i'm trying to disaster-recover a debian installation. apt-get seems to work per so, but for example aptitude does not
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10:31.02petn-randallrtzui: What happened?
10:31.11rtzuiThe binary is simply missing. I'm trying to reinstall it, but it apt-get does not work like i would
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10:31.29rtzuipetn-randall: /usr and /var are corrupt/gone
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10:31.57petn-randallrtzui: Do you have backups you can restore from?
10:32.10rtzuinope
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10:32.29somiajZorroT: what does that mean? What packages did you install with apt (I'm just making sure you didn't use the ati installer)
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10:32.33rtzuiwell, i want to reinstall aptitude
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10:32.56petern_Back up all your data, reinstall the whole system, job done.
10:33.00rtzuiapt-get install aptitude  => aptitude is already the newest version.
10:33.31rtzuiapt-get install --reinstall aptitude => Reinstallation of aptitude is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
10:33.43relaxedrtzui: try, sudo apt-get purge aptitude; sudo apt-get install aptitude
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10:34.32ZorroTdid not use ati installer
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10:34.52ZorroTsomiaj -- i found a error in the xorg config file..
10:34.56ZorroTtrying a few things.
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10:36.37epitamizorsomeone help, this isn't working, the rules aren't being applied https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
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10:37.09rtzuiwohoo, some version conflicts (wtf?) be it seems to work now. Now I just have to reinstall every package.
10:37.34ihitdisplayhow do I know if my graphics card driver is installed correctly?
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10:38.24[Gentoo]ihitdisplay: what driver isi t
10:38.26epitamizorlsmod shows current drivers installed
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10:39.09ihitdisplay[Gentoo], ati radeon 7850
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10:40.44ZorroTsomiaj: it is now working.
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10:41.05ZorroTsomiaj: the question is: how to get 3d support working?
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10:41.55ihitdisplayit doesn't look like the ati driver is working correctly
10:42.31somiajZorroT: well if it is now working I'm assuming you have fglrx as your driver, type 'glxinfo' in a terminal inside of X and see what it says
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10:43.52ZorroTsomiaj: i removed fglrx,
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10:45.23epitamizorhttps://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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10:45.44ihitdisplaysomiaj, http://pastebin.com/kLgPjSdw is everything okay?
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10:48.24somiajihitdisplay: looks like you are using ati glx drivers, I'd say you have 3d working
10:48.32ihitdisplaywhy is my video so slow even though I have installed the driver?
10:49.03somiajwhy do you think it is slow? What video are you talking about?
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10:49.20rtzuiWhere is the list of all installed packages stored?
10:49.30somiajZorroT: well it is hard to follow what you have done, makes it hard to help. (:
10:49.38ihitdisplaysomiaj, I mean my GUI is too slow
10:49.56epitamizoropenbox is fast
10:50.04somiajihitdisplay: how is it slow?
10:50.08ZorroTsomiaj -- back to install state, fglrx removed, etc.
10:50.34wols_ihitdisplay: your videoplayer needs to support the hardware decoding. what cpu/gpu do you have?
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10:51.14ihitdisplaysomiaj, when I drag some window from one place to other it takes too much time to appear
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10:52.14somiajZorroT: what video card do you have?
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10:52.41ZorroTsomiaj: it's a dual headed x1300 radeon
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10:53.48ZorroTsomiaj: "ATI RV516 [Radeon 1300/X1550 Series] [1002:7183]
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10:57.35somiajZorroT: that is an older card, I'm not seeing the best place for support for it. But it look slike the curret fglrx drivers don't support it
10:58.02somiajZorroT: do you have the package 'firmware-linux-nonfree' isntalled?
10:58.25somiajthuogh I don't see firmware for anything older than RV610 in the description, and you have an RV516
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10:58.55ZorroTthere's a legacy driver
10:58.57ZorroTperhaps that's it.
10:59.12somiajeverything I see says you get the same support from teh radeon driver
10:59.21somiajZorroT: again do you have firmware-linux-nonfree isntalled?
10:59.30ZorroTsomiaj: yes
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10:59.35somiajthat is needed to get 3d support withthe radeon driver
10:59.50qa_dont use debian
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11:00.16wols_somiaj: the radeon driver is the only one that supports his GPU. fglrx doesn't support cards that old
11:00.28somiajeven the fglrx-legacy packages?
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11:01.07wols_somiaj: no. "This legacy driver release supports the following graphics adapter families: AMD Radeon HD 4000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 2000. "
11:01.11epitamizordebian specializes in supporting old computers
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11:03.06ZorroTepitamizor: it does just fine, so long as you don't want to use opengl :-)
11:03.53ihitdisplayhow do I see the log of installation from fglrx?
11:04.04somiajZorroT: well looks like you have to use the radeon driver as your card is that old. I'm see firmware for the R500 series but not the RV500 series in firmware-linux-nonfree, but I don't know if there is a difference.
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11:04.41ZorroTsomiaj: well, there we go.
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11:12.51epitamizortryin to install app but it says unmet dependencies. what do I need to do?
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11:13.28shiftyI've been asked to install Debian on a friend's Core 2 Duo.  Is amd64 an appropriate architecture?
11:13.30petern_Meet the dependencies.
11:13.38petern_shifty, yes.
11:13.40brontosaurusrexshifty, yes
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11:14.01shiftyepitamizor: what installation program are you using (eg apt-get, dpkg, etc)?
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11:14.19epitamizoraptitude, the one and only
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11:15.02shiftypetern_, brontosaurusrex: thanks - wanted to double check.  Am creating the install disk tonight before travelling to my friend's place tomorrow.
11:15.23shiftyepitamizor: have you "aptitude update"d first?
11:15.41epitamizoryea, thats whats strange
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11:16.26petn-randall!tell epitamizor about bat
11:16.44shiftyepitamizor: if you're using sid, sometimes waiting for a few hours and trying again works as people fix broken packages.
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11:17.33petn-randallshifty: If your friend as internet access there, all you will need is the netinstaller. If you access the internet there via wifi, I'd use the netinstaller with non-free firmware, since most wifi devices need that.
11:17.56epitamizorhold the pony, the sources was all wrong
11:18.06epitamizornow it works
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11:19.25shiftypetn-randall: yes, the almighty "if".  I'll just prep a netinstall before I go.  As for the non-free part... I'm afraid you have a point.
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11:20.05ZorroTsomiaj: thanks again!
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11:20.35petn-randallshifty: Debian also has all packages on DVD/Bluray, you can download that if you're sure the don't have internet access.
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11:24.37brotherBoxHello everyone. I have installed znc from debian 6 and was wondering why the ZNC package displays the version as 0.2 when the most recent one is 1.4. Is the package unmaintained?
11:25.23averagebrotherBox: how about downloading the source package and looking at it?
11:25.51averagebrotherBox: also, how about checking out the upstream and comparing it to the source package associated with the binary package you're using ?
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11:26.17petern_brotherBox, Debian 6 is a little old.
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11:27.18brotherBoxErr, sorry, made the fatal typo. I am using debian 7, but it makes little difference I suppose.
11:27.20petern_brotherBox, Debian 7 is current stable, and also a year old.
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11:28.08shiftyWill this contain the complete netinstall?  The name is a little misleading: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/jigdo-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.jigdo
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11:28.38petern_don't use a testing installer
11:28.51shiftypetern_: elaborate?
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11:29.29zykotick9!tell shifty about testing installer
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11:30.28babilendpkg: tell shifty -about firmware image
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11:30.42shiftyzykotick9: huh.  I've often done it that way (installed a minimal stable, then upgraded).  Didn't realise it was the preferred method!
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11:31.36petern_And if you're installing Debian for a friend, I would stick with stable myself.
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11:33.41jellyJHoughtelin: fix your client, pretty please
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11:34.16swirlhello. nvidia users here?
11:34.29averageswirl: I am an Nvidia User
11:35.02swirli have troubles recently with video.
11:35.06shiftypetern_: yes, I wondered when someone you pull me up on that :-)  Normally, I'd agree but he wants to learn programming.  I've seen stable have issues installing recent software (particularly development libraries).  I'm still debating as to the wisdom of my choice...
11:35.12averageswirl: and what is your question ?
11:36.50shiftypetern_: perhaps you're right.  Maybe stable would be a wiser choice.
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11:37.49petern_shifty, even as a paid dev, I use stable as my desktop, and if I need something newer I run it in a chroot, or (k)vm.
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11:38.24swirlwheezy 700 was fine all the way. since 7.5 testing(for me) normally 1280x800 works in 1024x768. after instaling nvidia by the ddebian wiki recipee it is a blank screen where the slim must have been
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11:39.41averageswirl: hm, ok, I've no idea.
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11:42.32shiftypetern_: wise advice, thank you.  He gets stable.
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11:56.29stormy3setting up a static ip on esxi vm debian, do i need to label it as eth0 or the name of the virtual nick e.g vimnic01
11:56.32stormy3?
11:57.03petern_Whatever it appears as.
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12:01.42ZumiHello! For some reason for a while now I can't seem to view all processes using htop unless I execute htop as root.
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12:02.12ZumiRunning Debian Wheezy, tried the version in the repos, and compiling the latest from the official source.
12:02.24ZumiRemoving .config/htop didn't work either
12:02.29ZumiIt's with every user on my system too
12:02.53ZumiIt would be great to get this functionality back, any of you have an idea?
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12:05.47petn-randallZumi: Can't confirm the bug, it works fine on my wheezy system. Maybe you need to press 'u'? (check the man page for details)
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12:08.29Zumipetn-randall: showing processes of myself or all users still only shows my processes.
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12:10.35petn-randallZumi: Is this a regular, physical machine? Can you see root processes with 'ps auxw'?
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12:11.19Zumipetn-randall: yes. And it's a physical machine rented from OVH, with their kernel
12:11.46ZumiOh wait I still only see my processes with ps
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12:12.40ZumiWell, I guess that's a problem :P
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12:15.23ZumiWell, I guess that's the problem...
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12:15.51gdm85any idea how to disable the X port listening in tightvncserver?
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12:16.06gdm85it always listens on 5900+$DISPLAY and 6000+$DISPLAY
12:16.21petern_There's a reason for that.
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12:16.28okinsey.
12:16.31gdm85petern_: that is?
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12:16.45gdm85I would like to use only the VNC port
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12:16.53petern_gdm85, it's what your X clients connect to.
12:17.07gdm85petern_: sure, that's why I am asking how to disable it
12:17.26petern_If you disabled it, you wouldn't be able to use it.
12:17.35gdm85can't I just use the VNC port?
12:18.02petern_No. If you don't have any X clients on it, why would you run it in the first place?
12:18.47shiftygdm85: if I understand correctly, you only want it to listen on port 5900.  correct?
12:18.53gdm85shifty: yes
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12:19.32valianyone here using USB to Serial convertors ? I have an issue with mine, it seems that it's refusing any kind of communication over ttyUSB0
12:19.40petern_tightvncserver creates an X server (port 6000+) and lets you connect to it with vnc (port 5900+)
12:20.07petern_Probably what you want is to limit the X server side to localhost, I guess.
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12:20.29gdm85petern_: the X server port is listening on 0.0.0.0. I am already using -localhost as an option for Xvnc but it's applying only to the 5900 port
12:20.52petern_You could just firewall it.
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12:21.12petern_But you need the port open.
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12:21.47wakefieldHas anyone ever successfully installed the proprietary FGLRX driver that AMD/ATI distribute on debian wheezy? It will not work at all for me, my gpu is a Radeon HD7770.
12:22.06wakefieldRead the wiki article several times over, it fails every time.
12:22.36gdm85petern_: if I specify -localhost, and I see a port listening on 0.0.0.0, then it's broken
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12:23.13shiftygdm85: if you start "vncserver :1" then it should only listen on one single TCP port.  (Will exit if that desktop is already in use.)  Why is yours listening on more than one port?
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12:24.46gdm85shifty: that's what I want to discover
12:25.09petern_It probably is, there's probably not many people using tightvncserver.
12:25.34shiftygdm85: how many vnc [server] processes are running?  is something else starting additional servers in the background?
12:25.49gdm85yeah. my command line is: vncserver :1 -geometry 1024x768 -name debian-wheezy-1 -nevershared -dontdisconnect -localhost
12:26.12gdm85shifty: no, just that line is being executed. unfortunately it does not support running in foreground, but that's the command
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12:26.51gdm85yeah, just reproduced it again. always opening 2 ports, only one of the two on localhost
12:27.04shiftygdm85: i have RealVNC installed (I think), so your mileage may vary.
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12:27.26gdm85mmh..I am using tightvnc because I wanted a lightweight one
12:27.29gdm85I might try RealVNC
12:27.52skilzHow do I check what motherboard I have?
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12:28.10gdm85skilz: BIOS or open it up
12:28.26skilzNot in Debian?
12:28.41petern_gdm85, -nolisten tcp
12:28.57gdm85petern_: it's not in man Xvnc
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12:29.14gdm85undocumented option? :s
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12:29.17petern_It's in Xvnc --help
12:29.28gdm85this is a WTF moment
12:29.50gdm85I didn't expect man Xvnc to have *less* information than --help
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12:30.28petern_Yeah, sorry, I forgot X uses unix sockets too :p
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12:30.48gdm85yeah, I prefer sockets in this scenario
12:30.54bhuddahskilz: try "dmidecode -t system" or without options
12:30.56petern_I'm with you there.
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12:31.42shiftygdm85: just checked here, when "vncserver :1", only port 6001 is listening.
12:32.00gdm85shifty: did you try with my command line?
12:32.23petern_Hmm, weird, apparently I have a full desktop environment on my pi... didn't know that o_O
12:35.02gdm85shifty: in my case it opens 2 ports
12:35.08gdm85even just 'vncserver :1'
12:35.31shiftygdm85: well, I did now (try with your command line).  Can't connect to it!
12:35.57gdm85it's localhost only
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12:36.09gdm85petern_: that parameter worked, thanks! couldn't think of using --help
12:36.45shiftygdm85: hmm, server/client on same computer here - how are you connecting?
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12:37.08gdm85shifty: you can tunnel via ssh
12:37.16gdm85that's the suggested method, since VNC is not encrypted
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12:39.54shiftygdm85: sure but I'm using the same computer for both server and client to do your test.  what's odd is that nothing turns up in "netstat -t -l -n" when I use your command.
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12:40.11gdm85shifty: nothing? no ports open?
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12:40.39shiftygdm85: apparently not.
12:40.48gdm85that's weird
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12:41.47shiftygdm85: just noticed something else.  cmd1: "netstat -t -l -n > /tmp/1", cmd2: "netstat -t -l -n > /tmp/2".  I run cmd1 before I start the server, cmd2 after I start it.  Then I do a "diff /tmp/1 /tmp2".
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12:42.05gdm85and it shows nothing?
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12:42.38shiftygdm85: now, if I start "vncserver :1 -localhost"... I get TWO ports listening: 127.0.0.1:5901 and 0.0.0.0:6001.  Sound familiar?
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12:43.16gdm85yeah
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12:43.39shiftygdm85: it gets worse.  plain "vncserver :1"
12:44.06shiftygdm85: ... and we get 0.0.0.0:6001 and :::5901.  The second is tcp6.
12:44.18gdm85it's damn broken
12:44.28shiftygdm85: now I thoroughly confused.
12:44.40gdm85I think I should just drop it forever and use another server side VNC software
12:44.53gdm85however, with petern_'s advice of -nolisten tcp I managed to have it do what I wanted
12:45.00gdm85I just tested it, it works fine and uses only 1 port
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12:47.01shiftygdm85: remember we are using different versions, so weirdness seems universal
12:47.26gdm85shifty: 1.3.9-6.4
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12:47.28shiftygdm85: well, if it's working... you've all good.
12:47.35gdm85for now, yes
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12:54.02valianyone here using USB to Serial convertors ? I have an issue with mine, it seems that it's refusing any kind of communication over ttyUSB0
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13:01.59OpenTokixIs there a way to allow unsigned packages from one specific mirror? - ie. my own local mirror
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13:03.24themillOpenTokix: look for trusted=yes in sources.list(5)
13:04.42OpenTokixthemill: awesome, thanks
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13:07.19petn-randall!tell vali about ask
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13:07.44vali:) here it comes
13:08.29valiI'm using cubieboard (arm, A20) with linux-sunxi kernel and I have attached an USB to Serial convertor
13:08.42valithe system sees the module
13:09.00validmesg is saying that the device has been attached and created ttyUSB0
13:09.08valibut I cannot send any message over it
13:09.17valithe device is not receiving anything
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13:09.48valistty is setting speed to 2400 among other things
13:10.17valiany ideas on why isn't it working ?
13:10.40averagewhy complicate things with the convertor.. why not go straight USB<==>USB or  straight Serial<==>Serial
13:10.48valiits a cubieboard
13:10.54valiI don't have any serial
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13:11.45averagevali: how about ethernet, you have that right ?
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13:12.53averageI mean, maybe I could try to answer your original question(and I hope I don't come across as being silly) but... maybe there are other ways you can communicate with this cubieboard..
13:13.18malmelmilGood afternoon. Sorry if interrupt ongoing conversations, but maybe somebody knows what is the deal with gimpshop.com on debian? it is not on the repos, and the debian link on the website takes you to ubuntu page. Other than that it seems the project is up to date, also the comments, a bit confused, thank you for your help.
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13:14.15valiaverage, usb to serial is the only way
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13:14.21valifor my device
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13:15.34jellyvali: you didn't by any chance connect the +5V, where it says you MUST NOT do that?
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13:17.12jellyvali: a cheap pl2303hx clone device worked for me pretty much without issues on 115200
13:17.30vali:)
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13:18.08valiit is connected OK, I the ftdi_sio.ko is messed up in this version of kernel some how...
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13:18.16averagevali: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12359/how-can-i-monitor-serial-port-traffic
13:18.26petn-randallmalmelmil: gimpshop looks like a flashy fork of gimp. Just use gimp, it's in the repos.
13:18.39averagevali: perhaps you could monitor what goes IN/OUT of the serial port
13:18.40jellyvali: why are you not using debian kernel on the PC side?
13:18.43valiaverage I'm using interceptty
13:18.47averageah, ok
13:19.10valijelly, it's an embedded device
13:19.17valiyou can't run the normal kernel
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13:19.51jellyvali: wait, are you using the usb serial ON the board, or to connect TO the board's LVTTL serial console?
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13:21.37valijelly, I'm using the USB to serial to connect a device to the board
13:22.13jellyvali: oh, alright then.  I thought you had issues connecting to the board itself.
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13:23.24jellyvali: contact whoever provided the kernel you're using then, this is not a Debian issue.  I'd suggest building your own as described on linux-sunxi.org wiki
13:23.50valiI just did
13:23.57valiand rebooted
13:24.19valiI will see in a moment...
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13:32.46tasabhello , Alt + Ctrl + T , can't open the terminal , am on debian wheezy , any help pls , thanx
13:33.50abrotmanwhich terminal emulator?
13:33.55D1390if i execute wice an IPTABLES command  will it break something?
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13:34.02abrotmanwice ?
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13:34.06D1390twice
13:34.17D1390two times
13:34.20CpuroastD1390: unlikely
13:34.21abrotmanwhich command?
13:34.27averageD1390: you mean twice as in.. two times ?
13:34.33averageI think he means two times
13:34.34abrotmanD1390: do you mean loading the ruleset twice, or having a rule duplicated?
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13:34.40D1390yes
13:34.43abrotmannot yes ...
13:34.47abrotmanit's an or question :)
13:34.48Cpuroastwhich?
13:35.04tasababrotman,  the default one
13:35.16D1390something like sudo iptables -T nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
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13:35.28abrotmantasab: no, there isn't a default one
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13:35.37abrotmanD1390: depends where it falls in the rules chain
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13:36.00abrotmanD1390: #netfilter might be a better place to ask about how it might affect your rules
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13:36.48D1390or sudo iptables -A FORWARD - i ppp0 -o wlan0 -m state --state RELATED, ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
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13:36.59D1390ok
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13:37.02D1390thanks
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13:37.12averageD1390: I have a script which I use to make my firewall. At the very beginning of it, I have   iptables -F; iptables -X; iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -t nat -X; iptables -t mangle -X; iptables -t mangle -F;
13:37.32averageD1390: this way I make sure that I clear out all the rules before starting to insert rules
13:37.54averageD1390: but.... I'm a novice with iptables
13:38.08averageso.. I think abrotman is right, you might want to head over to #netfilter
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13:39.11D1390average: hehehe that makes me nobody
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13:39.26tasababrotman, b4 upgrading my grub it was working but after updating not work ,
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13:39.46averageD1390: oh no, don't worry, I think there are many people in this world who don't know about iptables
13:39.59averagemen and women and children too
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13:47.54tasababrotman, ?
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14:07.01_aeris_ohai #debian
14:07.12SpaceKookieohai _aeris_ :p
14:07.19_aeris_is there anybody here who already install opendkim on debian ?
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14:07.33_aeris_i have a trouble but don't find any solution ><
14:07.42_aeris_(and the root cause of the bug)
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14:12.37_aeris_May 15 15:49:33 server postfix/smtpd[20552]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock: No such file or directory
14:13.04_aeris_but, the file really exist
14:13.06_aeris_# ls -al /var/spool/postfix/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
14:13.07_aeris_srwxrwxr-x 1 opendkim opendkim 0 mai   15 15:30 /var/spool/postfix/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock=
14:13.15_aeris_and postfix has the right group
14:13.24_aeris_# groups postfix
14:13.25_aeris_postfix : postfix ssl-cert opendkim
14:13.39_aeris_so… such trouble, moar dkim :'(
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14:19.09petn-randall_aeris_: Is opendkim in /etc/postfix/master.cfg in a chroot? If yes, the socket needs to be available in the chroot.
14:19.23_aeris_socket is in the chroot
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14:19.37_aeris_ls -al /var/spool/postfix/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
14:19.44_aeris_it's inside the chroot
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14:20.43_aeris_/etc/postfix# grep opendkim main.cf
14:20.45_aeris_smtpd_milters     = unix:/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
14:20.46_aeris_non_smtpd_milters = unix:/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
14:21.04_aeris_# grep opendkim.sock /etc/default/opendkim
14:21.06_aeris_SOCKET="local:/var/spool/postfix/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock" # default
14:21.10petn-randall_aeris_: Can you paste your master.cfg to http://paste.debian.net?
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14:21.17_aeris_yep
14:21.19petn-randall_aeris_: READ the topic, don't paste in here.
14:21.50_aeris_sorry :(
14:21.55_aeris_less than 3 lines :D
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14:22.13_aeris_petn-randall > i have nothing related to dkim on master.cfg afaik
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14:23.07_aeris_but here we go !
14:23.09_aeris_https://paste.imirhil.fr/?5357d6b18991298c#qKPaPdzLwE73X4DHG6yWFf4kCUL5TKWj+mzVLfkYVkA=
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14:24.19skilzIs there some app for installing fonts?
14:24.21skilzgui
14:24.30petn-randall_aeris_: amavis++ ;)
14:24.38skilzwhen I just open>select font>install>done
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14:25.16petn-randall_aeris_: I see, I don't remember from the top of my head if it needs to be accessible from within the chroot. Try it outside in /var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock and see if that fixes it.
14:25.26revcanei built a netboot image following this documentation wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote and its not seeing the bnx2 modules that are on the drive, do i need to put them into the debian-installer image some how?
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14:26.54themillrevcane: iirc you need firmware for that module -- are you feeding the firmware into your image?
14:27.08jhutchins!installer firmware
14:27.08dpkgDebian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy).  See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware .  See also <firmware images>.
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14:28.01_aeris_petn-randall > same message :(
14:28.14revcanethemill no i hadnt figured out how to add it to the image until jhutchins posted the link
14:28.22_aeris_and this case no dkim at all, even on outgoing
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14:35.36jhutchinsLunaLovegood: I suppose you could remove it with dpkg, but aptitude might tell you WHY it wants to install 38 packages.  Does aptitude -f install want to do that as well?
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14:36.15rooisto47hi everyone, is there a command/utility to connect to oneself wifi (wpa) using one command line (with essid + password)?
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14:37.10LunaLovegoodI don't have aptitude installed, but apt-get -f install doesn't do anything. It only tells me about a bunch of packages that are safe to remove.
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14:37.42jhutchinsrooisto47: You could configure it as a static device with noauto and just bring it up with ifconfig.
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14:37.56LunaLovegoodI guess dpkg is the way to go. I tell it to remove packages, it complains about dependencies, and then I remove those packages that depend on the one I want to remove.
14:38.07jhutchinsrooisto47: You could probably stack iwconfig with the right options on one line.
14:38.25LunaLovegoodIs there a way to tell it to cascade remove all packages that depend on the one you want to remove?
14:38.42jhutchinsLunaLovegood: Aptitude can offer more than one solution.
14:38.53rooisto47jhutchins: I'm looking for something instantaneous (without configurations) like the graphical nm-applet (but in command line)
14:39.22jhutchinsrooisto47: There have been CLI interfaces for NM at various times.
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14:40.00petn-randallA dev of ours ran 'command 2>&1 > ~dev/somefile.log', and accidently deleted somefile.log. Since the FD is still open, I'm sure you can recover that file, but don't remember the details. Can someone fill me in?
14:40.38rooisto47jhutchins: oh! I'll check it, but do you know if if gives you feedback ? (like you're successfully connected or not)
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14:43.18LunaLovegoodhttp://earthwithsun.com/questions/439196/how-to-recover-a-deleted-file-that-is-still-open
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14:44.05jhutchinsrooisto47: No, I don't know, and the interface has come and gone over different releases; I don't know the current status.
14:45.00rooisto47jhutchins: ok, thank you very much for the help
14:45.02rooisto47:)
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14:47.17skilzHow do I list the hdd dev names?
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14:47.30skilzlike /dev/sda etc
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14:49.48petn-randallskilz: 'ls -al /dev/sd*'
14:51.07LunaLovegoodyou can also look at /proc/partitions
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14:58.05spyderhow can i install latest version of eagle available?
14:58.20spyder*available on cadsoft site?
14:58.35wols_shouldn't you ask cadsoft that instead of #debian?
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15:01.10six86hello. Can initrd and txt.cfg preseed files be mixed?
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15:05.01reiffertMy debian stable is vulnurable against (CVE-2014-0196). How to become non-vulnarable the fastest way ever possible?
15:05.37petn-randallreiffert: Install the security update and reboot.
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15:06.06reiffertThat is deb     http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates ?
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15:06.47reiffertpetn-randall: according to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0196 it's still vulnurable.
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15:08.31petn-randallreiffert: It's not updates yet, the fix came in the last few hours.
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15:09.04SpaceKookieI have an Acer AO751h and running Debian 7.5. So far everything has installed quite well but I can't get the Wifi driver to compile on it :( Anyone know the quirks of that model?
15:09.16ted20SpaceKookie: lspci, please
15:09.27petn-randallreiffert: Look in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz if the update has reached you or not.
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15:09.31reiffertpetn-randall: Where's the link to the build system so I can download them right after they've been built?
15:09.55spyderwols_: the version available in debian repository is 5.12.0 but i want 6.* so i was asking if there was a way to install it in such a way that the package manager knows about it
15:10.05reiffertpetn-randall: seems like I have it. Let me try to crash my kernel once more, hang on.
15:10.07petn-randallreiffert: That's what the security repo is for, just install it from there.
15:10.21petn-randallreiffert: Did you reboot since you installed the update?
15:10.51reiffertyes.
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15:12.04SpaceKookieted20: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
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15:13.37reiffert_petn-randall: my kernel crashed after http://pastebin.com/yTSFUBgZ
15:14.20verodebhi if i do a "apt-get install --only-upgrade package-name" does this removes previous files?
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15:14.40ted20SpaceKookie: look at debian wiki
15:14.45petn-randallreiffert_: 'uname -a'?
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15:15.12reiffert_Linux reifferscheid.org 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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15:17.24reiffert_petn-randall: where can I report this .. I guess the security folks would need to know
15:17.39_aeris_petn-randall > it was amavis :)
15:17.58_aeris_amavis milter mails to, and so, no such socks because not on chroot :)
15:18.12_aeris_no_milter on amavis conf, and error goes away \o/
15:18.48petn-randallreiffert_: #debian-security is a start. So just to recap: Your changelog shows a fix for CVE-2014-0196, and you have rebooted into that kernel since?
15:19.09petn-randallreiffert_: (on irc.oftc.net)
15:19.37reiffert_petn-randall: yes it does
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15:19.42reiffert_root@reifferscheid:/home/thomas# zcat /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz | head -1
15:19.45reiffert_linux-2.6 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) squeeze-security; urgency=high
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15:20.00reiffert_and so on
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15:20.56wols_!tell spyder about equivs
15:20.56petn-randallreiffert_: Ok, just wanted to be sure. Head off to #debian-security on irc.oftc.net then.
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15:22.36reiffert_petn-randall: thanks a lot.
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15:23.05reiffert_hm I cant see JoeyZ there ..
15:23.26reiffert_Is he still into Deb security?
15:24.14SpaceKookieted20: well the things sugested in the wiki don't install for me ( apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer can't locate packages)
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15:24.40ted20SpaceKookie: You can try apt-cache search [package]
15:25.00ted20SpaceKookie: if you still doesn't see, check your sources.list
15:25.02reiffert_oh he resigned in 2006. oups.
15:25.27antoligarany recomendations on a provisioning system? i have tested perceus but without any updates recently it doesn't give much confidence
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15:29.32SpaceKookieted20: Still nothing. In what repo should the package be?
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15:31.18Nik05SpaceKookie what do you need?
15:31.41SpaceKookieNik05: I'm trying to install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
15:32.47Nik05SpaceKookie are you on wheezy?
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15:32.55SpaceKookieNik05: Yes
15:33.17SpaceKookieThe background is that I want to install this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/11/msg00110.html
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15:33.49jelly!BCM4312
15:33.49dpkgThe Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY.  It is supported by the <b43> driver.  Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide.  Alternatively supported by <wl>.  PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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15:34.39SpaceKookiefirmware-b43-lpphy-installer package can't be found by apt-get, that's the issue
15:34.47jellySpaceKookie: add " contrib" next to "main" in your sources.list Debian mirrors lines
15:34.57jelly!contrib
15:34.58dpkg[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free).  To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update».  Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
15:35.40SpaceKookiejelly: I'm new on Debian, where is sources.list ?
15:35.58jellySpaceKookie: /etc/apt/sources.list
15:35.58Nik05/etc/apt/sources.list
15:36.09jellywhat dpkg said, above
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15:36.20Nik05lol dpkg even said it...
15:36.49SpaceKookiejelly: on all links?
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15:39.10Nik05SpaceKookie depends what all links are
15:39.12SpaceKookiejelly: well i still get E: Package 'firmware-b43-lpphy-installer' has no installation candidate
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15:39.34jellySpaceKookie: even after doing aptitude update?
15:39.43SpaceKookieYes :C
15:40.04jellySpaceKookie: alright, pastebin the contents of that file (use http://paste.debian.net/)
15:40.34jellySpaceKookie: also the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-b43-lpphy-installer"
15:40.44jellyjudd: v firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
15:40.45SpaceKookieGive me a minute, I have my IRC client on a different machine than the one that is affected :p
15:40.45juddPackage: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.174.64.19-4; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1
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15:41.50superlinux-hphi how can i make use of DirectFB in debian guest in Vbox?
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15:48.59averagedoes anyone know/use an IMAP client(a-la-fetchmail or a-la-offlineimap for example) that supports XOAUTH ?
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15:53.44SpaceKookiepaste.debian.net/99758 && paste.debian.net/99759 && paste.debian.net/99760 @ jelly , judd , Nik05 Took a while :P
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15:59.50Nik05SpaceKookie thats not wheezy...
16:00.01Nik05and its what i expected :P
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16:00.33SpaceKookieHuh…=
16:00.42Nik05its testing
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16:01.07averageXOAUTH anyone ?
16:01.21SpaceKookieI thought it was Wheezy. Isn't it the newest version?
16:01.43Nik05wheezy is stable
16:02.12SpaceKookieOh…and jessie is then alpha/beta/something? ^^
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16:02.24CpuroastJessie is Debian.Next
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16:03.12SpaceKookieFair enough
16:03.53averageyo, XOAUTH  xoxo ?
16:03.54averageanyone ?
16:04.00averagexoxoxoauth
16:04.13Nik05but SpaceKookie you need to install firmware-b43-installer
16:04.17averagewas just curious if anyone uses it.. sorry for the annoyance
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16:04.35Nik05ho sorry for the double paste
16:05.00SpaceKookieIINik05: Thank you <3 That installs C:
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16:06.27martin-_-_hi
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16:06.35martin-_-_my gnome desktop freezes all the time
16:06.38martin-_-_randomly
16:07.39SpaceKookiebtw when will Jessie become the new stable? I'll miss the codename for wheezy :p
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16:08.03petn-randallSpaceKookie: Before xmas, we're not sure about the year though.
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16:08.22SpaceKookiepetn-randall: XD Good one :p
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16:13.46petn-randallSpaceKookie: jessie will freeze some time in November, after that it's roughly 6-9 months. It will be released when it's ready.
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16:15.10Cpuroastpetn-randall: hopefully Jessie will settle on an LTS kernel, which so far hasn't happened
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16:16.13SpaceKookieomg SD cards are a big fat lie xD https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10347506_836104379750609_601241337122757259_n.jpg?oh=12f2704e94736db156550876638224d7&oe=5376EEAA&__gda__=1400295930_b5154cbbb4277612c85764e76cef6b1e
16:17.01petn-randallSpaceKookie: That's better suited for #debian-offtopic. :)
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16:24.10martin-_-gnome shell forze again
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16:24.54ABDU1989I want to install this card on Debian
16:24.58ABDU1989TechniSat Digital GmbH DVB-PC TV Star HD
16:25.40somiajABDU1989: is it a pci card? Can you get the pciid of that card? Or the actual chipset it uses?
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16:28.07ABDU1989In all distributions install only Debian
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16:30.12somiajABDU1989: To see if there is support for that card it would help if you could get me the pciid or the chipset
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16:30.28mtnABDU1989: this might help, it was the first google hit: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Technisat_SkyStar_USB_HD
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16:32.43ABDU1989I proved this in Linux Mint
16:33.01ABDU1989cd /lib/firmware/ && sudo wget -c "http://kernellabs.com/firmware/technisat-usb2/dvb-usb-SkyStar_USB_HD_FW_v17_63.HEX.fw"
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16:38.21ABDU1989How the latest kernel to version 3.13
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16:38.24msidI am testing a setup with 2 servers running DRBD (replicating a block device which is then exported via NFS) and keepalived (which handles the failover of the VirtualIP used by the clients to mount the NFS export). On the server side, the failover works as expected. There is, though, something weird happening on the client side. I have tested mounting the NFS both using TCP and UDP. The test scenario I run is copying a 4GB ISO from the client to
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16:39.04somiaj!tell ABDU1989 about wheezy backports
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16:39.40ABDU1989yes wheezy backports
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16:39.57somiajABDU1989: add the wheezy-backports source to your flie, then apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-foo'
16:40.08somiajwhere foo is the version from backports, do you want amd64 or i386?
16:40.28somiajuse linux-image-3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 for amd64
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16:41.16ABDU1989thnks
16:41.22jhutchinsmsid: NFS doesn't have any provisions for handling failover.  You might look into iscsi.
16:41.35peterrooneymsid: Elves.
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16:42.41peterrooneymsid: Umm, I mean, I am surprised.
16:43.18msidjhutchins: ISCSI is not an option.
16:43.33jmdI'm having trouble getting a machine to boot from a netinst disk.  What am I doing wrong?
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16:43.58msidpeterrooney: me too, I was expecting the exact opposite to be honest.
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16:56.01module000msid: use glusterfs then, all the easy-mode of NFS with all the failover of more robust solutions
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16:59.45msidmodule000: The NFS export will be used as a backend for an Oracle DB among other things. As far as I have read, glusterfs and Oracle DB don't play very well together (performance wise).
17:00.12koollmanany kind of network filesystem and db don't play well together
17:00.26module000what koollman said
17:00.47module000iscsi is a better option there for anything as IO-bound as a database
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17:09.17_mel_hi. netboot + preseed  seams to be broken since the last 7.x release. the dm_mod can't be loaded and so a error appears on partman "The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to load the lvm-mod module"
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17:13.11SpaceKookieOh btw my wifi works now. Thanks for the help :p
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17:27.47jmdI cannot get any of the ai64 installer images to boot.
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17:30.07jmdIs it possible to "upgrade" from i386 to ia64 later?
17:30.45mtnjmd: it is unlikely you actually have an ia64 processor. you want the amd64 iso
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17:34.34jmdmtn: Oh thanks.
17:34.40Cpuroastia64=itanium
17:34.43mtnjmd: yw
17:34.50Cpuroastamd64=everything else
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17:36.57syncbqhi guys, is there anyone here I can talk about kernel driver backporting?
17:39.09skilzI have /home/skilz/firefox/firefox   How can I call it in terminal with just 'firefox' >
17:39.11skilz?
17:39.40skilz'ln -s /home/skilz/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
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17:43.46Reelaxwhats is the current stable debian version ? 7.4 or 7.5 ?
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17:44.15jmd7.5 I thought
17:44.39Reelaxin my system monitor it says : Release 7.4 (wheezy) 64-bit
17:44.53Reelaxeven though i updated my box.
17:45.11SuperNullfor the life of me i cant find net-snmp packages fro 7.5 64 ?
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17:48.10jelly-homeskilz: if you want to put it in PATH, make that /usr/local/bin not the /usr/bin directory where packaged stuff goes
17:48.39skilzOk sweet, thanks :)
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17:49.02jelly-homeSuperNull: how did you search?
17:49.26jelly-homeSuperNull: apt-cache search net-snmp # shows lots of stuff here
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17:51.18SuperNulli got it :| .. i dunno why it was being so difficult.. it was mostly for res_snmp for asterisk.. it wasnt detecting after installing some more dev libraries all went well.
17:51.25SuperNullthanks tho.
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17:52.53jmdI wish the installer would not insist on a non-root user.
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17:53.28mtnjmd: most things should not be run  as root
17:53.45jmdBut obviously the installer has to be!
17:53.58ViewI changed my account name through system settings and after restarting my computer the name in the terminal is the same as before
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17:56.02mtnView: account name? you mean your username?
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17:56.19DanteLAWhen I add source at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/file.list, how do I see packages provided by that source?
17:57.00mtnDanteLA: I think synaptic will do that for you
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17:57.13pksadiqioudas: setfont (if your need is to change font size)
17:57.23ioudasyeah just rez
17:57.28ioudasid like 640x480
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17:59.14jhutchinsReelax: According to the channel topic, 7.5.
17:59.37Viewmtn yes
17:59.39pksadiqioudas: try appending vga=786 to grub boot command list
18:00.06mtnView: and how did you login this time? used the old name it appears ;)
18:00.12jhutchinsView: The "name" you're seeing in the terminal is the name of your home folder which did not change.
18:00.32jhutchinsView: I believe usrmod has an option to take care of things like that.
18:00.32Viewah
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18:00.41Reelaxjhutchins: ok but why isn't mine ? i updated my box after installing 7.4
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18:01.38DanteLAmtn: that didn't work. Synaptic does show this source at "Sources"
18:01.42DanteLAdoes not
18:02.08mtnDanteLA: did you update after making your changes?
18:02.09DanteLAAlthough at settings it shows it is enabled
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18:02.18DanteLAmtn: yes, apt-get update
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18:04.58mtnDanteLA: did you look at the Origin button on the left side?
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18:08.25DanteLAmtn: can you retype the last line
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18:08.33mtnDanteLA: did you look at the Origin button on the left side?
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18:09.17DanteLAmtn: yes, it shows sources, but unfortunately, not this one (http://ultimatepp.org/www$uppweb$download$en-us.html)
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18:14.31xenoSo I've got two clones off the same original NAT configured virtualbox, and of course they come up with the same IP address.  What is the standard debiany command to ask dhcp daemon for a new ip address?
18:14.59xenoPresumably there must be a way to point out to the dhcp server that I've got duplicates, and it needs to reassess for the present client?
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18:19.20dizzylizzyHello; why does chromium in Debian support the DRM EME if it requires proprietary software, and why is chromium in main if this is the case?
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18:19.47jhutchinsReelax: Did you do a full-upgrade?
18:19.52iaccuvdizzylizzy: that's an interesting question which I also would like to hear answered
18:20.55jelly-homedizzylizzy: what is DRM EME?  Have you look at the build options to determine what's built and what's not?
18:21.16dizzylizzyI'm not positive that it *is* proprietary software, perhaps the specific extension required to play all these "hollywood" videos Mozilla was going on about is some separate thing and the test page I'm looking at is a proof of concept that the new absurd spec from W3C with DRM support functions, but that that is free software
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18:21.39dizzylizzyjelly-home: I would if I had a firmer understanding of the build process for chromium in Debian, and i'm not sure I have the time right now to investigate but this is definitely on my list
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18:22.51jelly-home!tell dizzylizzy about package rebuild
18:22.56jelly-home!tell dizzylizzy about debian/rules
18:23.30jelly-homego forth and investigate!
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18:26.26skilzIs there some command to tell me what RAM I have?
18:26.42skilzLike the manufacture and model?
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18:33.44balin_Whats a conveniet apt-get or aptitude way to check from within a script whether any package needs upgrading? Preferentially returning 0/1 ...
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18:38.26afidegnumhi, please what is the cause of this error ? tar: Ignoring unknown extended header keyword `SCHILY.dev'
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18:42.03jhutchinsafidegnum: It would probably help if you were to pastebin the full command and results.
18:42.06jhutchins!paste
18:42.07dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
18:42.32afidegnumI just made    tar -xvf filename.tar.gz
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18:42.42afidegnumand the calamity started
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18:44.13jhutchinsafidegnum: -xzvf - the file is compressed with gzip.  You can also gunzip filename.tar.gz first, then un-tar it.  (You can probably do that with a pipe as well.)
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18:45.18afidegnumjhutchins: can you please send me possible commands?
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18:46.58thoonaidavfs2 throws 405 not allowed with correct user and pw and nginx' log tells me no user name and pw provided
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18:47.03thoonaihey
18:47.35thoonaiI'm stuck and I don't know where to search
18:47.37thoonai:/
18:47.53afidegnumjhutchins: using -xzfv produce the same error
18:48.00Reelaxjhutchins: how do i do full upgrade ? apt-get full-upgrade ?
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18:49.02jhutchinsafidegnum: Then the file is probably corrupt (incomplete).
18:49.18jhutchinsafidegnum: I believe the f needs to be last too.
18:49.20afidegnumhmmm
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18:49.38jhutchinsmd5sum <file>, compare to sum at source.
18:49.39Reelaxjhutchins: i always do apt-get update , then , apt-get upgrade. Sometimes i enable  only security in sources.list file.
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18:50.28jhutchinsReelax: Need either full-upgrade or dist-upgrade - with the main repos enabled.
18:50.52balin_Anyone? A oneliner retunring the number of available updates?
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18:51.50jhutchinsbalin_: Time to check the manpages - those usually list exit codes.
18:52.23thoonaianyone using davfs2?
18:52.45balin_jhutchins: "apt-get returns zero on normal operation, decimal 100 on error." Not really what I'm looking for ...
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18:57.26VasisthaI have a machine that is offline, and I would like to use another computer to download several packages to be installed on the offline machine. The offline machine is squeeze/i386 and the online is different. Is there an easy was to download a *list* of packages for a particular version+architecture?
18:57.37pksadiqbalin_: something like apt-get -s upgrade | grep ^Inst | wc -l . Just an ugly way... :-)
18:58.34phoggbalin_: do you want to know whether a specific package is in need of updates or whether any updates exist for any installed package?
18:58.46balin_pksadiq: Thanks! Here's another one (requires update-notifier-common): /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check 2>&1 | cut -d ';' -f 1
18:58.58balin_phogg: The latter.
18:59.14thoonaigtg bye
18:59.40balin_Would prefer plain onboard and no additional pakges (such as update-notifier-common)
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19:02.29DammitJimwhat command can I use to find out who owns an IP address on my network
19:02.36DammitJimbut that is on a different subnet than mine?
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19:03.00diozhow do i ping -b in windows?
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19:03.45DammitJimwindows question, dude
19:04.10jmddioz: Try #windows
19:04.10jelly-homedioz: there's a ##windows channel.
19:04.32diozar linux users allowed there?
19:04.51SuperNulldioz go back to #cisco your drunk.
19:04.53SuperNull:P
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19:06.36Artemis3no
19:06.50diozhow about back orrifice?
19:07.02jhutchinsbalin_: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/19470/list-available-updates-but-do-not-install-them
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19:10.37jelly-homedioz: do you have a debian tech support question?
19:10.45jhutchinsskilz: Several, depending on what desktop you're running.
19:11.18Reelaxjhutchins: thanks
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19:11.40diozjelly-home: by "debian question" what do you mean?
19:12.34balin_jhutchins: That's covering it exhausively ... thanks!
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19:12.44SuperNulloh wow. getting res_snmp working nicely has been kind of a whore.
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19:15.56jelly-homedioz: next time try not to waste other people's time, please
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19:17.04ted20jelly-home: true...
19:19.37skilzjhutchins, Fluxnox
19:20.02skilzFluxbox, I want something that looks very close to Apples OSX OSD Volume
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19:23.18jhutchinsskilz: I find wmix and volwheel, no idea if either is current in Debian.
19:23.47jhutchinsskilz: Also gvtray
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19:24.23jhutchinsskilz: wmsmixer
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19:24.57jhutchinsskilz: volumeicon: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/135
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19:25.26jhutchins!popcon
19:25.27dpkgi heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ .  Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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19:27.32Reelaxjhutchins : debian live CD automatically recognizes my Nvidia card.  i wanna build my own debian live (actually i have done many times before. ) But i manually need to get the drivers from manufacturer website. How to find the debian package name for me gfx card ?
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19:31.24ToApolytoXaosguys, is it normal to have half installed / half configured packages?
19:31.30ToApolytoXaosdebian testing 64-bit
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19:33.23jelly-homenot really, but it's usual to have some breakage in testing
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19:34.20jelly-homeToApolytoXaos: I assume you've tried to "dpkg --configure -a" and checked the BTS for known bugs?
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19:35.50ToApolytoXaosthe dpkg part yes, the BTS part: i got lost :/
19:35.57ToApolytoXaosi could not make it work
19:36.12ToApolytoXaosi guess i speak Googlish natively that's why :/
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19:40.21lroeI'm looking at my 'preferred web browser' and it is currently set to 'Debian Sensible Brower'.  How do I find out where that is set?
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19:44.35phy1729This meakes sence becuase the route does indeed not exist but it means that sudo service networking reload will hang. How can this be fixed?
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19:53.52jhutchins!live
19:53.52dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  These can be used to install a Debian system.  Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ .  http://live.debian.net/  #debian-live on irc.debian.org.
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19:55.41sh4383hi is it possible to ssh into a virtual machine running on one computer from a totally separate computer?
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19:56.11phoggsh4383: of courser
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19:56.40phoggsh4383: the VM's virtual net must be hooked somehow in to the real network that the other computer is on
19:56.48phoggsh4383: but doing this is quite normal
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19:57.37sh4383phogg: i set up port forwarding on the virtual machine that is the ssh server but can't seem to figure out how to connect to it from the other computer
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19:57.54sh4383they are both on the same local network
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19:57.57jhutchinssh4383: port forwarding is something else.
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19:58.27sh4383ok i may have not needed to do that. i was following some other instructions but it may not have been what i wanted to do
19:58.47jhutchinssh4383: Does the VM have access to & from the network?
19:58.57sh4383jhutchins: yes it does
19:59.06jhutchinssh4383: Is sshd running?
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19:59.33mdimhi all. I have an issue with libvirtd, and folks at #virt on OFTC have told me to ask here... so, when I run "sudo /etc/init.d/libvir-bin restart", it fails and I find this in /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.conf: error : virNodeSuspendSupportsTarget:332 : internal error: Cannot probe for supported suspend types. How to resolve that?
19:59.49sh4383jhutchins: yes it's running
19:59.59mdimthis is on Wheezy, installed from wheezy-backports (libvirt 1.2.4)
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20:01.59jhutchinssh4383: Then you should just be able to ssh to the IP address of the VM.
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20:04.18sh4383jhutchins: is that the inet addr?
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20:06.55robert___how can i force the hard drives to always get the same sdA,sdb device assignment  after reboot (wheezy)
20:07.16sh4383jhutchins: i just tried it and the attempt is timing out
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20:07.28zykotick9sh4383: is the VM's address the same as your physical network?  or is the VM 10.x.x.x and your network 192.x.x.x?
20:07.59sh4383the vm is 10.x.x.x
20:08.00AimHererobert___, is this because you want to put /dev/whatever in the fstab so that it's automounted properly?
20:08.08sh4383not the same as the network
20:08.19zykotick9sh4383: that's an issuee...
20:08.46robert___fstab takes uuid so i am fine.....   but smartctl doesnt
20:09.07sh4383zykotick9: it is? but if it was the same as the host's IP then how would ssh know if i want to ssh into the host or the VM in that case?
20:09.17AimHereOkay you're ahead of me, I was going to inform you of the uuid thing if you didn't know!
20:09.45zykotick9sh4383: they _can't_ be the same!  each machine & VM needs a unique IP address.
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20:10.26sh4383well the computer has a 192.x.x.x IP address and the VM running inside of it has 10.x.x.x
20:10.35zykotick9sh4383: but that 10.x.x.x means you're VM is using NAT, which probably means you can't connect TO it from the outside.  you need to change the way your VMs network...
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20:11.37zykotick9s/you're/your/
20:11.53sh4383zykotick9: yes the settings say NAT. do i change it to bridged adapter, internal network, or..
20:12.55zykotick9sh4383: internal network (or bridged) i'm not 100% sure... depends what VM solution you're using.  PS. don't tell me, 'cause i assume it's VirtualBox (which i don't want to admit ;)
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20:14.15sh4383zykotick9: ok lol i'm trying bridged
20:15.40sh4383so this doesn't require port forwarding?
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20:16.22zykotick9sh4383: port forwarding using takes place on your router/firewall...  so maybe?  if it's from outside your network, then yes it will.
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20:16.35mtnsh4383: virtualbox has an excellent manual on their website
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20:16.55sh4383ok i was going by this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5906441/how-to-ssh-to-a-virtualbox-ubuntu-guest-externally-through-a-windows-host
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20:17.02jhutchinssh4383: You need to set up routing for the VM subnet.
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20:17.39jhutchinssh4383: For NAT you would need to forward a port on the host to the VM.
20:17.40zykotick9jhutchins: not if they setup the VM to not use NAT...
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20:18.32sh4383i set it up on bridged now
20:19.02zykotick9sh4383: is your VM now getting an address that matches your physical network?  a 192.x.x.x?
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20:20.14sh4383i did ifconfig and only see an inet6 address for the ethernet interface
20:20.23sh4383i don't see any 192.x.x.x
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20:21.06zykotick9sh4383: you might want to try that "internal network" option then...
20:21.20sh4383ok
20:22.28mdimso, when I try to use libvirt, it calls 'pm-is-supported --suspend' and libvirt fails when that returns a failure. Is there a way to change that in Wheezy?
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20:25.12sh4383zykotick9: that one is the same. only address i see is localhost. i am going to read through the manual and see if i can figure it out. thanks for trying
20:25.38zykotick9sh4383: best of luck!
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20:31.35gregor2is cool!
20:31.53gregor_yes he is!
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20:33.40jhutchinssh4383: ##neteworking can be very helpful.
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20:34.40zykotick9sh4383: jhutchins' recommendation is certainly valid, but TBO i think #vbox to get your VM on your _real_ network might be a better start.
20:34.52teraflopsgregor_: thats amazing!
20:35.02gregor_thanks!
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20:36.27gregor_and how can i do this with another name than mine?
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20:38.06teraflopsstart a second instance of your irc client gregor_
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20:38.53teraflopsbut please gregor_ do not test here :P
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20:39.16gregor_no i mean this comment
20:39.25gregor_where i sayd gregor2 is cool
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20:39.42gregor_i wrot /me is cool
20:40.04gregor_but how can i do this with another name or maybe with no name?
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20:42.21sh4383zykotick9: so the problem is i have the right settings but need to create an ipv4 address on the debian guest OS
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20:45.30gregor_is the best!
20:45.33ted20jaimef: apt pinning
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20:45.44ted20gregor_: is fucking good!
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20:48.52rainfyregrim4593 sadly, no. reinstalled with encrypted lvm to my 16 gig drive and am setting up from scratch - but it's nice :)
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21:02.33CoolColdhello guys
21:02.50CoolColdi was upgrading server from squeeze to wheezy and has warning from grub
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21:03.02CoolColdit says "You chose not to install GRUB to any devices"
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21:03.45CoolColdi'm a bit confused why it decides i do not want to install grub on any device
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21:04.01CoolColddpkg-reconfigure -plow grub-pc - doesn't help
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21:05.07zybiskiHi, i have a question. I'd like to bridge my wifi connection (Which has internet) to an ethernet connection to my pc
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21:07.44teraflopszybiski: most of the wifi interfaces does not suport bridge
21:08.18teraflopsmy be hostapd is a better idea
21:08.26teraflopsor doing nat
21:08.49zybiskidoesnt have to be bridge. If my pc can get internet from the laptop in any way thats fine
21:09.50jhutchinsCoolCold: Is it trying to switch to grub2?
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21:11.50teraflopszybiski: the easiest way http://ix.io/clS
21:12.18zybiskithank yo9u
21:12.22teraflopschange the iface name and ip addre to suit your needs zybiski
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21:13.08CoolColdjhutchins: not sure
21:13.23CoolColdbut may be ..
21:13.43CoolColdafair originally server had debian lenny, then squeeze update, now wheezy update
21:14.25zybiskiteraflops : The iface name , should that be the wireless that has internet or the ethernet that doesnt?
21:14.37teraflopsthe wifi zybiski
21:14.44CoolColdjhutchins: upgrade-from-grub-legacy says "GRUB Legacy has been removed, but its configuration files have been preserved..."
21:14.44zybiskithanks
21:14.46teraflopswlan0 f.e
21:14.52CoolColdso i assume it has been installed
21:15.01zybiskijup wlan0. ill try it
21:15.15teraflopszybiski: the pc i addr must to be setup manually
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21:15.28teraflopsand the default route too zybiski
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21:16.09CoolColdjhutchins: hooray, now dpkg-reconfigure shows that i need to select some disk
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21:16.46zybiskiteraflops : copy the default route from the laptops wifi interface right?
21:17.01teraflopsno zybiski
21:17.24aguitelhow install last iceweasel or firefox in squeeze ?
21:17.25zybiskiput the laptop's eth0 address as the default route?
21:17.31teraflopsuse the laptop ip addr not the laptop default route
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21:17.36CoolColdjhutchins: dd if=/dev/sda count=1| xxd  - shows i have something like GRUB in first 512 bytes
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21:19.27kyle__Why does installing on an encrypted LVM take so long just to erase the data on the partition?
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21:22.20teraflopssudo su && try again zybiski
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21:25.03CoolColdjhutchins: thanks, now the last test - doing server reboot :)
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21:28.54zykotick9teraflops: sudo su isn't a good suggestion...
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21:29.25esaym153so if I am using rsync and it prompts me for a password, how to I give it the password without using the keyboard? I need this to be a cronjob...
21:29.36esaym153and no, I am not using ssh-keys
21:29.55esaym153I do not have write access on the remote end, only read
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21:30.24teraflopsfor enable a sysctl that wil be erased at reboot? zykotick9 may be fell free to explain him a better ans fastest way
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21:30.47zykotick9teraflops: "sudo -i" i believe...
21:31.07zykotick9teraflops: you could check man, but i don't have sudo installed...
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21:31.24teraflopsok zykotick9
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21:32.30zykotick9s/check man/check the man page/ ;)
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21:38.41cat_pantsDoes Debian support kickstart, or only preseed?
21:38.44JasonWoofesaym153: seems like you're not supposed to do that (ie the ssh developers have no option for this). you might be able to hack up something with SSH_ASKPASS (search for that in ``man ssh``) or google it and see what others have done
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21:40.28OltreIrc`35894ciao
21:40.32OltreIrc`35894list
21:40.43esaym153JasonWoof: but it prompts for a password on stdin. Certainly I can give it some data?
21:40.57c|onemanyou forgot it's !list
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21:42.00JasonWoofesaym153: no it doesn't. it opens the pty if you have one, and uses SSH_ASKPASS if you don't and [...] read the man page
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21:42.55OltreIrc`35894!list
21:42.56dpkgoltreirc`35894: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
21:42.57JasonWoofesaym153: stdin is piped to the remote. eg you can do:  cat foo-dump.sql | ssh myserver.tld mysql foo
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21:43.11teraflopsim not being generalist but i only see italians doing that shit
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21:48.35esaym153hmm, crap
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21:49.52jhutchinsteraflops: Yeah, seems consistent.  I've tried to ask them why.
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21:58.56DexterFdoes module assistant only those modules in the list or can I create custom sets with it, too?
21:59.05DexterFnamely the linuxtv dvb drivers
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22:03.17iaccuvdoes unstable contain packages that have been compiled from upstream sources that are considered unstable/beta/etc.?
22:03.29centrxiaccuv, That's a fair description
22:03.53iaccuvcentrx: do you understand what I am asking?
22:04.12centrxNot really
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22:05.50mitsu`hello :) Is there a way to install php without suhosin? i've been tryin to use 'apt' but the repository includes php5-suhosin
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22:06.28iaccuvcentrx: wild example, irssi, whose most recent stable upstream version is 0.8.15, is in Debian unstable. Could it reside there if the upstream version would also be unstable or would it need to go to experimental?
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22:09.07centrxiaccuv, unstable usually has release versions of upstream
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22:10.03centrxiaccuv, Packages in unstable are expected to work, whichever upstream version a maintainer chooses
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22:10.30centrxiaccuv, They simply have not been as well tested. Less important packages may only work on the maintainer's machine where he tested it.
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22:24.18IlIlIlIlIlIlIis there a way to install a deb from within a postinst of another deb ?
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22:25.24berarmaIlIlIlIlIlIlI: that sounds ugly so I guess not, that's what dependencies are used for
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22:26.37IlIlIlIlIlIlIsure sounds ugly :D
22:28.27IlIlIlIlIlIlIbut dependencies are only resolved from sources so if I want a single specific package, I need to add new sources, update with the new sources (carrying a potentially large and possibly irrelevant new db), and then install that package
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22:29.12IlIlIlIlIlIlIthen again, if I could wget that specific package and install it from within my "meta-package", that sure sounds easier to me for scaling
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22:29.37IlIlIlIlIlIlIsomething like flashplayer-nonfree package does
22:29.44IlIlIlIlIlIlIor mscorefonts-installer
22:30.39IlIlIlIlIlIlIor whatever that package is called* :p
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22:30.55berarmayou can download a packages and dependencies and install them without adding sources
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22:31.16IlIlIlIlIlIlIhow exactly can I do it?
22:31.27IlIlIlIlIlIlIfrom a postinst script of another package?
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22:31.45berarmathose packages (flash and mscorefonts) don't install debs, they're downloaders/installers
22:32.20kephramoin - i have trouble with http://qt-project.org/downloads on wheezy for both 32bit and 64bit
22:32.21berarmano, not using deb scripts buy with dpkg -i <downloaded packages>
22:32.37IlIlIlIlIlIlIyeah, I suppose they unpack manually
22:32.41berarmayou could write a script that downloads the debs and installs them
22:32.55IlIlIlIlIlIlII try dpkg -i from withing a postinst script and it fails
22:33.00kephradoes someone here uses wheezy, to check if they run in same problem?
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22:33.11IlIlIlIlIlIlIyeah, but then I can't provide this functionality as a package
22:33.27berarmaforget about doing those things in postinst scripts, write a normal script
22:33.36berarmano, you can't, but that's not bad
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22:34.06berarmakephra: describe your problem and someone might help you
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22:35.16kephraberarma, http://kephra.de/src/QtWylie/ <- I can compile the hello.{cpp,pro} with qt4 that shipped with debian, and it displays the button - but if I try the Qt5 from http://qt-project.org/downloads - recompile it, it does not display any window/button
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22:35.59kephraI have the feeling that Qt5 (original binary) on Wheezy is broken in some way - because it works for everybody in #qt (who use arch, fedora, ...)
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22:36.50kephraso I need someone who runs Wheezy, wants to compile a very small program, and tells me, if they have the same problem
22:37.19kephraor if it works for them without problem, to compare http://kephra.de/src/QtWylie/hello.strace.txt
22:37.37lucid-omvanyone aware of a package that could be used to track parts and part numbers through their process at each station, throughout the day and until completetion.
22:38.20kephralucid-omv, the (in)sane way would be united nations edifact
22:38.23berarmakephra: why not install wheezy yourself and try it?
22:38.42kephraberarma, because I have the problem with both wheezy 32 and 64bit
22:38.52kephraand I need someone to confirm
22:39.06berarmaisn't that a confirmation?
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22:40.56kephraI currently have two ideas, where the problem might come from: either the Qt5 from qt does not work on Wheezy - or it only does not work on my wheezy's - the later might suggest, that Qt5 requires some additional packages, because I have no desktop environment (only plain X + window manager)
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22:43.01AlexLikeRockhi
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22:43.21AlexLikeRockwhy not are  ready  "libffi5"  to testins ???
22:43.33AlexLikeRockineed it  to my ICEWEASEL
22:43.38AlexLikeRockits  basic !!!
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22:44.37berarmakephra: qt5 isn't available in Debian, if you have problems compiling the library and making it work you should ask qt5 developers since they may know better what's wrong
22:44.47AlexLikeRocki have   libffi6 , installed  , but   iceweasel tellme  :
22:44.47AlexLikeRocklibffi5
22:45.03AlexLikeRockiceweasel : Depends: libffi5 (>= 3.0.4) but it is not installable.
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22:45.35berarmaAlexLikeRock: which Debian version?
22:45.38kephraberarma, I did - but I dont want to compile it, just install the qt5 binary - and it works for everybody who tried to help me in #qt - but they do not use debian, but fedora, arch, or gentoo
22:45.45AlexLikeRocktesting
22:46.15berarmathat's likely to occur in testing
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22:47.37AlexLikeRockberarma,  and  sooo ?
22:47.43AlexLikeRockwhat  its  the solution ?
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22:48.57teraflopspinning or waiting thats the non-stable way of life AlexLikeRock
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22:49.37AlexLikeRockhola teraflops   o/
22:49.44mitsu`hello :) im trying ot use squeeze repos to install php5, but it is installing suhosin which i do not want. how do I get around that?
22:49.51teraflopso/ AlexLikeRock
22:50.04Quantum`Anyone have a suggestion on how to test throughput of a TOR bridge node?
22:50.39Quantum`I mean, ping tests to that node and back, but not through.
22:50.51Quantum`... with ssl traffic.
22:51.16zykotick9Quantum`: i believe, tor has a channel on OFTC
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22:51.32AlexLikeRockme too  zybiski
22:51.53Quantum`zykotick9: true, but in my experience they're pretty mean.
22:52.30zykotick9giggles a bit... <- was that mean as well?
22:52.47aguitel_anyway toinstall last iceweasel or firefox in squeeze ?
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22:53.17Quantum`aguitel_: Tor Browser Bundle.
22:53.27zykotick9aguitel_: i'd check with mozilla.debian.net
22:53.52aguitel_no way with mozilla.debian.net
22:54.18zykotick9aguitel_: if you're running squeeze, i wouldn't expect anything very recent...
22:54.47aguitel_ok
22:55.06berarmaYd
22:56.31berarmaWhat? I can't run Iceweasel28 in potato?
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22:57.44AlexLikeRock:-O
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23:00.40zybiskiteraflops : Got it working by using android phone to tether
23:01.03Kre10smy debian box is not doing anything when i halt... I think it got stuck somehow. what logfiles should i be looking at besides syslog and dmesg?
23:01.31teraflopsheh zybiski
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23:02.01teraflopsnice shot anyway its not hard to setup that stuff
23:02.21zybiskiteraflops : but this app needs purchase to unlock, it cuts the connection off after 30 minutes, which defeats the purpose for me
23:02.32GJdandoes kexec get setup automatically for debian?  just activate it how, sudo kexec?
23:02.44zybiskibut im closer. ive seen it work. yeah wifi to eth is a pain. Sadly it works in windows
23:03.04teraflopsthe same on your box zybiski
23:03.14teraflopskeep trying or ask here
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23:03.49zybiskiit should work shouldnt it
23:03.55teraflopssure zybiski
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23:04.10teraflopswhat errors issues are you geting
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23:11.38klh382can anyone point me in the right direction for figuring out how to ssh into a computer with X forwarding and have things i do appear on that machine's screen?
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23:12.13klh382i'm trying to get something like VNC set up but want it to be more secure
23:12.47zybiskiteraflops.. just my windows pc not getting a network
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23:13.38zykotick9klh382: is this an gnu/linux box you're SSHing from?
23:13.41teraflopsyo have to set te ip and route by hand zykotick9
23:13.47teraflopssorry zybiski
23:14.00klh382zykotick9: yes they both running debian stable
23:14.36zykotick9klh382: if X forwarding is enabled on the server, just try running the GUI app, and it _should_ open on your remote system?
23:14.58zykotick9klh382: assuming you "ssh -X ..." or "ssh -Y ..."
23:15.23teraflopson windows set fixed ip instead of getting auto zybiski
23:15.36klh382zykotick9: i ssh into the machine with ssh -X but when i run the GUI application, it shows up on my screen but i want it to appear on the remote/server machine also
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23:16.28zykotick9klh382: OH.  sorry.  ya, i'm not sure you want to use x-forwarding for that.  and you might need at "export display" as well.  my bad.
23:19.24klh382zykotick9: thank you so once i ssh in i run export display
23:19.26jhutchinsklh382: Might have a look at freenx.  It's a more secure VNC.
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23:19.41klh382jhutchins: cool, i will
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23:21.11zykotick9klh382: sorry, i don't know exactly what you need to do.  nor, do i see WHY you'd want to run something on the remote display like that (how are you going to see it)?  best of luck.  BUT, research the "export display" thing, 'cause it needs capitalization and a number i believe...  good luck.
23:21.35klh382jhutchins: looks like it hasn't had any development since 2008 :/
23:22.06zykotick9klh382: freenx is "similar" to VNC, it'll display on your remote box
23:22.23klh382zykotick9: thanks and it's so i can remote control the computer across the room from me and use it as a tv. lol
23:22.26teraflopsxdmcp is also an option klh382
23:22.58klh382teraflops: thanks i'll check it out
23:24.30teraflopsuhm xdmcp is not for that remote tv stuff i think
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23:25.25klh382by tv i mean youtube and just using the computer wirelessly
23:25.48klh382i want to have a web browser up, etc
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23:26.29zykotick9klh382: without a connected mouse, i see that being difficult/impossible...
23:26.53teraflopsuhm xdmcp runs the whole xsession on the machine so i dont think so
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23:27.16klh382fine i'll just get a wireless mouse and forget about ssh
23:27.23zykotick9klh382: even if you launch the GUI app remotely, you won't have control of it - with SSH
23:27.54klh382well i was hoping i could get the display set to both screens, so i can use my mouse and control it
23:28.25klh382something like export DISPLAY=:1,2
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23:28.36teraflopsuhm both is weird, unless you use vnc thingies isnt it?
23:28.36zykotick9klh382: i have NO idea of anything that would do that remote mirroring - but _perhaps_ it exists?  i just don't know about it.  good luck.
23:29.04teraflopshhe
23:31.14klh382thanks
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23:35.57batohello
23:36.17batois there a way to find a list of packages installed that are "recommended" or "suggested" ?
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23:37.54centrxbato, deborphan
23:41.03zykotick9bato: i bet you $10 aptitude search can do it somehow, but i don't know how... good luck.
23:41.55zykotick9bato: fyi, i don't think "suggested" are installed by default...
23:42.09batowell that's the point
23:42.20batowe ended up with some REALLy dodgy stuff installed
23:42.22zybiskiyeah something like apt-cache search
23:42.28batoand they're all suggested/recommended
23:42.33batolike subversion because of ssh
23:42.40zybiskilol
23:42.41batoor smbclient because of nrpe-server
23:42.42zykotick9bato: recommends ARE installed by default
23:42.45zybiski'you might also like..'
23:42.50zybiskirecommends should be
23:43.06zybiskiimagine google app store would install all ' you might also like ' apps if you downloaded something :p
23:44.13zykotick9can't imagine "google app store" so feels safe on that one
23:44.42zybiskialways someone 'ewww android'
23:45.03berarmabato: a lot of packages are recommended/suggested and still installed because of a depends
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23:45.17zykotick9zybiski: oh don't worry, it's not android specfic - i wouldn't own a cell phone... <- tin foil hat installed ;)
23:45.18batoyeah
23:45.38batobut i still don't really see the point of having subversion installed because you need openssh-server :P
23:45.57berarmauninstall it
23:46.10zybiskismart move. i dont have a phone plan. Just like having an android device
23:46.12batoberarma it'so ne of mny
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23:46.20batohence my original question
23:46.31bato"how to locate installed package that are marked as suggested"
23:46.35batoif it's even possible
23:46.36berarmasuggested packages aren't automatically installed, recommended ones are, but can be changed by a setting
23:46.46batoi know that...
23:47.01berarmapackages aren't marked as suggested
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23:47.33berarmayou can locate packages marked as automatically installed to satisfy a dependency of any type vs manually installed
23:47.37ABDU1989problam
23:47.40ABDU1989http://pastebin.com/tTMq3vrF
23:48.01zykotick9!tell ABDU1989 about pastebin.com
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23:48.23A|anokay, what's the name of the friggin' directory where all the ftp mirros are listed (and optical discs) for updating?
23:48.37zybiskiman apt-get
23:48.48berarmayou could use aptitude to mark everything to uninstall then start marking to install with recommends off, taking care of installing base packages
23:48.54zykotick9A|an: /etc/apt/sources.list
23:48.58A|anyes!
23:49.00A|anthanks
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23:49.18ABDU1989http://paste.debian.net/99842/
23:49.46JuestoHello, i'm stuck in xtell configure (it happens after invoke.rc.d failing.
23:49.51ABDU1989zykotick9,
23:49.55Juestoits happening on wheezy
23:50.07zykotick9ABDU1989: you're headed down a bad path...
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23:50.27zykotick9ABDU1989: those missing GPG keys are NOT supported in #debian that's for sure!
23:50.31Juestoi'm unable to purge xtell also.
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23:51.42ABDU1989how to add keys
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23:52.42JuestoABDU1989: man gpg and apt-add....
23:52.56JuestoAnyone for the xtell thing?
23:53.07JuestoHello?
23:53.09Juesto:|
23:53.40Juesto*sigh¨*
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23:54.45themillJuesto: full output in a pastebin would be a prerequisite. "the xtell thing" isn't as descriptive as you imagine.
23:55.22JuestoOk
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23:56.10Juestothemill: dpkg wont go in stdout (unable to paste)
23:56.11MachinaeWolfwell that's weird, no matter if I swap color themes on urxvt if I load htop or tmux the colors are horribly unreadable, purple and blue :(
23:56.41Juestothemill: How do i paste the output with pastebinit?
23:57.32Juestohttp://paste.debian.org/99844
23:57.45MachinaeWolfunless I should be posting the urxvt things in ~/.Xdefaults instead of ~/.Xresources?
23:58.00Juestoit fails because i kill xtelld, }
23:58.35Juestohttp://paste.debian.net/99844
23:58.43Juestohttp://paste.debian.net/99845
23:59.01Juestothemill: ^^
23:59.06A|anPackage libdb4.8-dev is in old stable squeeze archive...is the appropriate sources.list line this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze oldstable
23:59.40MachinaeWolfnope, still horrid blue and purple everywhere :(

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