| 00:00.15 | N34lO | about one per minute i get a hi loadavg on the host system and the i/o sleep goes up - but in the vm it self you can't see anything |
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| 00:02.36 | cast | N34lO: anything in top? |
| 00:03.06 | N34lO | no |
| 00:03.15 | N34lO | 300MB RAM (/4GB) |
| 00:03.22 | N34lO | load 0.10 |
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| 00:03.32 | N34lO | cpu <5% |
| 00:03.35 | Owner__ | N34lO, what is the vm doing |
| 00:03.55 | N34lO | lxc, mysql, nginx |
| 00:03.57 | cast | could see whats going on with systemtap |
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| 00:04.19 | N34lO | systemtap? |
| 00:04.27 | Owner__ | is it doing lots of I/O ? |
| 00:04.37 | N34lO | no |
| 00:04.59 | cast | [iotop can be nice, btw] |
| 00:05.20 | N34lO | jea just usig that |
| 00:05.27 | cast | systemtap is a dtrace like thing |
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| 00:10.37 | N34lO | so, iotop showes nothing at all in the vm while the iotop on the host is going mad telling me that the vm is writing |
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| 00:11.16 | cast | so its precisely every minute eh? |
| 00:12.18 | cast | might be overcomplicating things, but what are sysctl vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs vm.dirty_expire_centisecs set to? |
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| 00:15.23 | N34lO | cast: http://kexe.org/paste/YOYZ14.txt |
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| 00:15.56 | cast | thats vmstat output? |
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| 00:16.06 | cast | sure is writing a bit isn't it |
| 00:16.07 | N34lO | vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs = 500 |
| 00:16.10 | N34lO | cast: no host |
| 00:16.38 | N34lO | vm.dirty_expire_centisecs = 3000 |
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| 00:17.48 | Owner__ | N34lO, can you do tests on this system like reboot ? |
| 00:17.48 | N34lO | cast: yea it writes a bit here and there |
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| 00:18.05 | N34lO | Owner__: i just rebooted it |
| 00:18.11 | N34lO | about 30 min before |
| 00:18.14 | Owner__ | i wonder what happens if you add 'sync' option to all physical disk devices |
| 00:18.28 | Owner__ | out on a limb |
| 00:19.09 | cast | could shutdown various services, as an easy way to see what may be triggering the IO [like mysql..] |
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| 00:19.25 | N34lO | sync? |
| 00:20.01 | Owner__ | you can maybe do mount -o remount,sync |
| 00:20.14 | Owner__ | on all your physical mounts |
| 00:20.19 | Owner__ | and see what change there is if any |
| 00:20.27 | Owner__ | or change fstab and reboot |
| 00:20.37 | N34lO | oh, and that paste is "vmstat 3" |
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| 00:22.53 | Owner__ | i run some of my vms with sync :) |
| 00:23.32 | Owner__ | no real reason except to get changes to disk as fast as possible |
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| 00:24.49 | N34lO | hm... i just stoped the mariadb waited 2min and there was no peek .. now started it again and ... here they are again |
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| 00:27.54 | Owner__ | N34lO, try my idea |
| 00:28.19 | N34lO | yea i'm just making an second test |
| 00:28.21 | Owner__ | on the mount where db is |
| 00:28.31 | N34lO | then i'll start it with sync on /var |
| 00:28.35 | Owner__ | ll |
| 00:28.36 | Owner__ | kk |
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| 00:30.38 | Owner__ | it may not show anything if mariadb is doing its own caching/flushing but it sounds like you are closer |
| 00:31.44 | N34lO | Owner__: nope, sync doesn't help |
| 00:32.32 | Owner__ | then there is some parameters in the CNF |
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| 00:42.07 | benutzzer | hello everyone |
| 00:42.21 | Owner_ | benutzzer, hello! |
| 00:42.25 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:42.28 | benutzzer | zz |
| 00:42.33 | Owner_ | z |
| 00:42.50 | benutzzer | Hi Owner_, dvs |
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| 00:43.08 | benutzzer | I haven't ran a debian system in years -- until very recently |
| 00:43.14 | benutzzer | loving wheezy with KDE. |
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| 00:43.24 | benutzzer | it's so good |
| 00:43.44 | dvs | !prize benutzzer |
| 00:43.44 | dpkg | gives benutzzer a medal. |
| 00:43.49 | Owner_ | KDE lol |
| 00:44.27 | benutzzer | it was less out of preference and more out of I downloaded the KDE installer and was too lazy to download another one. |
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| 00:44.58 | dvs | benutzzer: you can change DE without downloading another installer. |
| 00:45.12 | benutzzer | I was too lazy to download another CD. |
| 00:45.24 | benutzzer | I'm too lazy to change DE's |
| 00:45.38 | benutzzer | No real problems. Why, do you think I should change? |
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| 00:45.50 | AlexLikeRock | wher is the "php.ini " in debian ? |
| 00:45.56 | dvs | benutzzer: you should use what you want to use. |
| 00:46.00 | benutzzer | <3 |
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| 00:46.09 | dvs | don't let the installer stop you from picking one over the other. |
| 00:46.16 | benutzzer | yeah. |
| 00:46.21 | benutzzer | it'll be real easy to switch. |
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| 00:46.40 | benutzzer | it's running very nicely on this SSD. |
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| 00:48.33 | benutzzer | lots of people are in & out of here. |
| 00:48.34 | benutzzer | jeez |
| 00:48.47 | dvs | waits for the net split |
| 00:49.50 | benutzzer | haha |
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| 00:50.15 | Owner_ | I went to a zoo the other day, but it only had one dog. It was a shitzu. |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:51.06 | benutzzer | what. |
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| 00:57.21 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to pull up the power level on my wireless mouse? I don't know if Debian's drivers or applications have that. |
| 00:58.15 | Lady_Aleena | hopes her mouse isn't dying permanently. |
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| 00:58.33 | Owner_ | Lady_Aleena, better the mouse than the usb port |
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| 00:58.59 | Lady_Aleena | Owner_, it is becoming expensive to replace my mouse, since they are becoming rare. |
| 00:59.31 | Owner_ | try it on another pc/laptop |
| 00:59.50 | Owner_ | then different usb port on main pc |
| 01:00.25 | Lady_Aleena | So no battery checks? |
| 01:01.02 | cast | those are the kind of problems, potentially so hardware specific, that i avoid |
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| 01:01.53 | Lady_Aleena | When the driver was written for it, the original driver software wasn't looked at to see what all should come with each piece of equipment? |
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| 01:03.53 | cast | interesting, there's some ubuntuforum threads about wireless mouse and kb power levels |
| 01:04.03 | Lady_Aleena | The driver disk which came with my mouse has a power level check and there should be a window which pops up to tell me when the battery power is low. |
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| 01:04.52 | cast | [they're using something called upower] |
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| 01:07.01 | Lady_Aleena | So the answer is no, no battery power check for the mouse within the driver for the mouse. |
| 01:07.30 | N34lO | Owner_: well with writeback cache it works .. but thats no solutions |
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| 01:08.58 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: your computer is probably not using a driver specific to your mouse, it's probably using the generic USB HID driver, but it sounds like there might be other tools that can check the power level, like the "upower" something cast suggested. might be worth looking into |
| 01:13.06 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I was hoping I didn't have to install another doodad. |
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| 01:14.12 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 01:17.03 | Lady_Aleena | What's wrong abrotman? |
| 01:17.38 | A|an | Is it possible to have a functional dot file somewhere other than in /home? |
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| 01:17.58 | centrx | "a functional dot file"? |
| 01:18.07 | cast | A|an: very app specific |
| 01:18.14 | A|an | well, specially, .bitcoin |
| 01:18.19 | A|an | it's huge! |
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| 01:18.29 | cast | i use symlinks, personally |
| 01:18.33 | A|an | and my primary drive is a 120GB SSD |
| 01:18.49 | A|an | I was wondering if one could symlink it |
| 01:19.22 | Owner_ | you can |
| 01:19.45 | A|an | By functioning, I mean, like, right now, I'm syncing it with the network |
| 01:19.53 | A|an | Owner_: how so? |
| 01:19.57 | A|an | using a symlink? |
| 01:20.02 | Owner_ | yes |
| 01:20.07 | A|an | great |
| 01:20.09 | A|an | thanks |
| 01:21.14 | Owner_ | A|an, you can even move just the DB dir |
| 01:21.24 | A|an | oh really |
| 01:21.31 | A|an | I did not know that |
| 01:21.46 | A|an | that's where the problem lies |
| 01:22.13 | Owner_ | same effect with whole dir or just DB dir beign a symlink |
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| 01:22.56 | A|an | great |
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| 01:23.51 | corpcomp | How can I find out if my curent kernel supports aufs? |
| 01:24.03 | A|an | (actually, it's the block directory that is so enormous...and only going to get larer) |
| 01:24.22 | Owner_ | so you can move block dir and symlink then |
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| 01:24.25 | abrotman | corpcomp: what is 'uname -a' ? |
| 01:24.56 | corpcomp | Linux abigail 2.6.32-042stab076.8 #1 SMP Tue May 14 20:38:14 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:25.52 | corpcomp | I already know it doesn't support aufs3 |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | corpcomp: grep -i aufs /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 01:27.59 | corpcomp | no such file. In fact ls /boot is empty |
| 01:28.16 | Owner_ | @_@ |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | corpcomp: yay VPS |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | do you have a /proc/config.gz ? |
| 01:28.59 | corpcomp | sorry, my blond moment. wrong server. I'll try the real one now. |
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| 01:29.28 | Owner_ | blonde |
| 01:29.55 | Owner_ | haircolorcist! it will be a thing soon |
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| 01:30.10 | Owner_ | soon you go to prison for such comments :P |
| 01:30.30 | Owner_ | or they take your nba team |
| 01:30.33 | Lady_Aleena | Owner_, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:30.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:31.30 | Owner_ | hundreds of idlers |
| 01:31.37 | Owner_ | good point though |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | It doesn't matter, it's not appropriate here |
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| 01:32.33 | corpcomp | so in responce to grep -i aufs /boot/config-$(uname -r) I get CONFIG_AUFS_FS=m so yes it supports aufs. Now to upgrade the kernel to support aufs3 |
| 01:32.54 | Owner_ | sorry i had a blonde moment and went ooh squirrel |
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| 01:33.17 | abrotman | Owner_: Please work on your signal/noise ratio. |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | corpcomp: is it still a VPS? |
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| 01:35.02 | corpcomp | No |
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| 01:36.31 | jmcnaught | corpcomp: 2.6.32-042stab076.8 sounds like an OpenVZ/Virtuozzo kernel |
| 01:37.00 | abrotman | corpcomp said that was the wrong system |
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| 01:45.20 | asarch | What does it mean that a logical volume partition is the type "linear" and is it ok to use it? |
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| 01:46.51 | jmcnaught | asarch: linear LVs are the simplest type and the closest to a traditional partition. other LV types for example are mirror (two copies of the volume, like RAID1). it's definitely okay to use. |
| 01:47.41 | asarch | THANK YOU! |
| 01:47.45 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 01:48.11 | A|an | If it's permissible to ask a wine question, I don't have a "programs" folder to easily access win executables, and I know from previous experience I'm supposed to have one have installing wine |
| 01:49.03 | A|an | I only have Wine Configuration and Wine Uninstaller, under System Tools of the Gnome menu |
| 01:49.44 | A|an | Is there a way to fix that: have a "program files" (or whatever it's called) directory? |
| 01:50.23 | jmcnaught | asarch: you can also convert from linear to another volume type in the future with lvconvert command. LVM is very powerful and worth learning about. This guide is quite good: https://www.centos.org/docs/5/pdf/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager.pdf (note that some stuff like thin provisioning not supported in Debian Wheezy) |
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| 01:55.53 | asarch | How is better (for an entire new HDD), "pvcreate /dev/sdb" or "pvcreate /dev/sdb1" |
| 01:55.54 | asarch | ? |
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| 02:04.45 | AlexLikeRock | asarch, /dev/sdb <---- its HDD |
| 02:04.56 | AlexLikeRock | asarch, /dev/sdb1 <---- its partition |
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| 02:13.34 | justanotheruser | Is it normal to not have sudo installed when I install Debian? |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | depends how you install it |
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| 02:16.49 | justanotheruser | abrotman: what is the best way to install sudoM |
| 02:16.56 | justanotheruser | *sudo? |
| 02:17.18 | centrx | apt-get install sudo |
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| 02:17.57 | justanotheruser | centrx: it gives me a weird error. I'll type it, one sec |
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| 02:20.01 | justanotheruser | Media change: please insert the disk labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20140426-13:35' in the drive '/media |
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| 02:20.43 | justanotheruser | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.59 | justanotheruser | I don't see why it can't use the package manager and just install |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell justanotheruser about wheezy sources.list |
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| 02:26.50 | Informanimo | o.O |
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| 02:40.44 | A|an | To add a package that is listed as jessie (testing), and I'm running wheezy, to install the deb file, do I have to add a jessie server to my sources.list; apt-cache show doesn't list the package. |
| 02:41.24 | centrx | A|an, Don't do that because you will end up with a mixed jessie/wheezy system that is semi-broken |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | you don't wan tto do that |
| 02:41.34 | A|an | okay... |
| 02:41.55 | A|an | it's minitube, is what I'm interested in...can I install the tar-zip version? |
| 02:41.57 | centrx | A|an, Check if there is a backport for it, in wheezy-backports, (packages.debian.org/<package name> |
| 02:42.05 | A|an | okay |
| 02:43.25 | centrx | A|an, If there is no backport, you can either a) use one of the alternatives for minitube, like youtube-dl or cclive, or b) do a source-backport of it yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 02:44.13 | A|an | yeah, I've looked at that already...it's available as sid(unstable) and jessie(testing), but I've got a version that worked under my previous Debian system |
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| 02:45.42 | A|an | There's one available for ubuntu (i think that's the one i was using), will it work under Debian? |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | A|an: there are similar packages in wheezy |
| 02:46.01 | A|an | oaky |
| 02:46.06 | A|an | thanks |
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| 02:49.46 | jmcnaught | A|an: unplug is an add-on you can install for iceweasel that saves videos that can be installed inside your browser. It's always a bad idea to install .deb packages from another distro or release of debian. Stick to what's in the repos and backports and life will be a lot easier. |
| 02:50.18 | A|an | okay |
| 02:51.08 | A|an | it's kinda odd, the version of minitube i have is a stand-alone: it wasn't necessary to install it, and it ran like a top previously, no problems encountered |
| 02:51.47 | centrx | A|an, I use youtube-dl, but if I wanted to use minitube on wheezy, I would do a source-backport |
| 02:51.50 | centrx | dpkg, tell A|an about ssb |
| 02:52.26 | centrx | A|an, I am sure you could download it from somewhere and put it under your home directory or something, self-contained, sure |
| 02:52.33 | centrx | A|an, but usually better to use package system |
| 02:53.06 | A|an | yeah, I'll consider that... |
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| 02:54.46 | A|an | you know, maybe it's my imagination, but my previous installation was done from the LiveCD and I used the first disc off of one of the ftp servers for this installation...and I think they kinda behave differently |
| 02:55.02 | A|an | nothing diasterous, but still...differently |
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| 02:55.21 | A|an | Am I imagining things?? |
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| 02:57.44 | A|an | centrx: yes (referring to two comments back), I had it in a folder under Downloads. Worked great. |
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| 03:00.02 | centrx | A|an, That is certainly okay if it works for you |
| 03:01.20 | centrx | A|an, Package system makes dependencies easier, and keeps the filesystem clean, so if all dependencies are already installed, and it goes entirely under your home directory and not elsewhere, mostly no problem |
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| 03:04.41 | A|an | ah...so (if I understood correctly) eventhough it's in its own self-contained environment, dependencies still must be met, huh? |
| 03:04.47 | A|an | that's what the problem is! |
| 03:05.47 | A|an | (eventhough minitube is in its own folder, external dependencies must be met) |
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| 03:12.25 | A|an | centrx: Am I correct in assuming that there are external dependencies to be met eventhough the application is "self-contained" in its own folder? |
| 03:12.50 | swcdx | anyone running weechat here? |
| 03:12.51 | centrx | A|an, Yes, most programs are compiled with shared libraries |
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| 03:13.16 | centrx | A|an, Honestly, doing a source backport is easier |
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| 03:13.54 | A|an | well, it'll be something interesting to do...I've never done that. |
| 03:15.05 | centrx | A|an, If it is successful, it will take five minutes to do, following the step-by-step instructions (assuming < 5 minute compile time) |
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| 03:17.04 | A|an | great |
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| 04:09.05 | justanotheruser | Is there any way to set up the networking the same way it does in the Debian installation? I set up the networking once in the Debian installation and it worked, but I wasn't able toIn my latest installation, so nm-applet says it disconnected every time I try to connect to a wireless network |
| 04:09.26 | leucomorph | oow |
| 04:09.31 | leucomorph | computer says no |
| 04:09.45 | leucomorph | wireless? |
| 04:09.45 | leucomorph | oow |
| 04:09.49 | leucomorph | tricky it is |
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| 04:11.20 | justanotheruser | leucomorph: it worked the first time I set it up with the deb installation |
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| 04:13.37 | leucomorph | hmm |
| 04:14.13 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file? network manager won't work with interfaces that are already configured there |
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| 04:16.52 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: hastebin.com/afujusibuv.hs |
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| 04:20.14 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: okay that's not the issue. also for the future it's easier for the rest of us if you include the http:// part of the URL |
| 04:20.29 | jmcnaught | have you checked your logs? |
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| 04:21.14 | leucomorph | reinstall |
| 04:21.17 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: I'm on mobile, sorry. I'll check my logs in a bit. Where are they? In network-manager/? |
| 04:21.20 | leucomorph | its the only sure way |
| 04:21.26 | leucomorph | aside from nuking it from orbit |
| 04:22.26 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: /var/log/syslog |
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| 04:35.31 | lhx | can someone send me a lhx: msg in the chat buffer? (not a pm) |
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| 04:48.26 | dizzylizzy | lhx: test 12 |
| 04:48.33 | dizzylizzy | sorry that took so long with nobody messaging |
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| 05:05.47 | justanotheruser | Error: wlan0: deauthenticating from <ipv6addr> by local choice (reason=3) |
| 05:06.00 | justanotheruser | No Google results have fixed it. |
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| 05:21.04 | sgnut | Anyone knows if I can use the SSH authentication by means of public key as a way to get a kerberos ticket as a SSO mechanism? |
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| 05:26.44 | civillian | sgnut: Indirectly perhaps. I'm no Kerberos expert but I guess you could place a kinit command in the .bashrc file and use a credentials file? |
| 05:27.46 | sgnut | civillian: well the idea is to avoid to put the password in a file |
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| 05:29.03 | sgnut | civillian: you can do what you have proposed by means of PAM of course |
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| 05:54.32 | nonconvergent | Trying to set up sshfs. Already have sshd running on my remote. |
| 05:55.07 | justanotheruser | Is there somewhere I can find the network configuration script used in the Debian install? I'm having network problems because I didn't do it automatically in the installation |
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| 06:03.51 | nonconvergent | I installed sshfs on my local, then ran sshfs -o iomap=user remoteuser@192.168.1.2 /media/remoteuser and got "Bad Address" for it. |
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| 06:11.10 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: are you using ipv6? if not you could try disabling for wireless in the gnome network settings |
| 06:11.21 | jmcnaught | disabling ipv6 that is |
| 06:11.34 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: not using gnome |
| 06:12.28 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: kde then? the network manager wireless configuration probably has an IPv6 section where you can disable it |
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| 06:12.46 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: what file? |
| 06:12.50 | justanotheruser | Xfce |
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| 06:13.52 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: when you click on the network manager icon is there a network settings option? |
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| 06:14.16 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: no |
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| 06:17.41 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line keep in mind this configuration will prevent you from using network manager to connect to other networks |
| 06:18.54 | jmcnaught | you'll also need to use wpasupplicant if you use WPA (which you should) |
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| 06:20.35 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: why don't I have iwlist installed or have it in the wheezy repo? |
| 06:21.35 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: because you don't have the wireless-tools package installed |
| 06:22.39 | justanotheruser | Thanks |
| 06:22.55 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: i use apt-file to search for which package has a particular file by the way |
| 06:23.59 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: this tutorial looks like it needs to be followed every time I want to connect to a new WiFi network |
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| 06:24.37 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: yeah that's what i meant by "keep in mind..." when i gave you the link |
| 06:24.57 | jpinx | judd: versions wine |
| 06:24.58 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-8; sid: 1.6.2-8 |
| 06:25.45 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: oh, I thought you meant I couldn't use network-manager, I would have to use nm-applet for some reason... |
| 06:26.23 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: i don't use xfce4 so i don't know what network manager is like under it. i recently installed xfce4 for a friend and installed wicd instead of network manager for them. i use gnome and when i click on network manager in addition to available neworks i have "network settings" where i can do things like disable ipv6 which i think you should try |
| 06:27.21 | jmcnaught | i was under the impression nm-applet didn't exist in wheezy |
| 06:27.35 | jpinx | wtf have they done to iceweasel? It's menu/toolbars configuration is vastly restricted now :( |
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| 06:31.18 | rubin110 | I have a home network with a debian wheezy box acting as a router. eth0 is my dsl, eth1 is the local network. |
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| 06:31.32 | rubin110 | i'm using isc-dhcp-server to hand out addresses. |
| 06:31.46 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: oh, its in the right click options |
| 06:32.11 | rubin110 | I wanted to setup a guest network, but keep it seperated from my local network. I have an access point that supports VLANs. |
| 06:32.19 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: I found a way around it. I enter the password in the settings, and it let's me connect |
| 06:32.39 | wols_ | rubin110: for such a setup I suggest dnsmasq |
| 06:32.40 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: sweet |
| 06:32.57 | rubin110 | After setting up the LAN on both the access point and my server, and doing some iptables magic to get bits routed into the right places, DHCP is still handing out IP addresses for my local network. |
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| 06:33.31 | rubin110 | I've edited /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server.conf to only spit out addresses to eth1 and eth1.1234. |
| 06:33.51 | rubin110 | It worked for about 5 minutes, but after I unplugged the access point and moved it to elsewhere in the house, it stopped working. |
| 06:34.18 | rubin110 | And by stopped working I mean VLAN 1234 gets IP addresses for my trunk home network. |
| 06:34.31 | wols_ | rubin110: I suggest you do MAC based DHCP leases. any device with a known MAC gets a "home network" IP, any unknown "guest" |
| 06:34.37 | rubin110 | wols_: I don't believe that dnsmasq can deal with multiple networks all that well. |
| 06:34.49 | wols_ | why not? |
| 06:35.06 | rubin110 | wols_: Last I checked I couldn't find anything helpful in that direction. |
| 06:35.21 | rubin110 | This literally worked 30 minutes ago. |
| 06:35.23 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 06:36.01 | rubin110 | the dhcp server doesn't throw any errors when it starts up, and specifically has the vlan listed as an option in its running process. |
| 06:36.29 | rubin110 | I can see the vlan in ifconfig and catting /proc/net/vlan/config |
| 06:37.47 | rubin110 | I do see this little error when I do a network restart... http://paste.debian.net/100107/ |
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| 06:38.20 | OpenTokix | rubin110: pastebin the tor-startup script |
| 06:38.35 | OpenTokix | rubin110: since its some typo or similar in it, that makes it not run as intended |
| 06:38.49 | rubin110 | I'm not running tor, I should just 000 that script. |
| 06:38.58 | rubin110 | Well, not running tor anymore on that box. |
| 06:39.08 | OpenTokix | rubin110: remove the folder then |
| 06:39.36 | OpenTokix | whois err. the script |
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| 06:40.09 | rubin110 | Remove what folder? |
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| 06:40.22 | OpenTokix | rubin110: remove the script |
| 06:40.28 | rubin110 | Yeah yeah. |
| 06:40.33 | rubin110 | Hold on, this might bounce me off. |
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| 06:44.58 | rubin110_ | http://paste.debian.net/100108/ |
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| 06:46.26 | rubin110 | There we go. |
| 06:46.43 | OpenTokix | rubin110: the vlans will not be removed when you reload netorking, but if your dont need to change the networkig configuration, it should be ok anyway |
| 06:47.07 | OpenTokix | networking* |
| 06:47.15 | rubin110 | Ok, then why am I still getting IP addresses from the dhcp server for trunk over the vlan? |
| 06:47.17 | justanotheruser | What does dynamically increasing the channel size limit accomplish? |
| 06:47.38 | OpenTokix | justanotheruser: joinfloods |
| 06:47.49 | rubin110 | I do not understand and am pretty ready to just give up on all technology and move into the mountains. |
| 06:48.21 | OpenTokix | rubin110: That I dont know, since one would have to look at the switch configuration for that |
| 06:49.02 | rubin110 | I've plugged the guest AP directly into the debian box, no switch. |
| 06:49.46 | rubin110 | I can get onto the AP with a static IP address and ping my debian box at its ip addres for the VLAN. |
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| 06:49.52 | rubin110 | So I can push packets just fine. |
| 06:50.14 | republican_devil | are there any role playing games with graphics for debian? |
| 06:50.40 | OpenTokix | rubin110: and your ap handles tagged vlans? |
| 06:50.53 | rubin110 | It's just that DHCP is only responding to eth1 (not eth1.1234) with addresses in the eth1 range. |
| 06:50.56 | rubin110 | Yup. |
| 06:51.04 | rubin110 | What I just stated before confirms that. |
| 06:51.13 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 06:51.37 | OpenTokix | Wierd indeed =) |
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| 06:52.09 | rubin110 | isc-dhcp-server knows about eth1.1234. |
| 06:52.29 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 06:52.38 | OpenTokix | I dont have any direct ideas, and unfortunally have to get going |
| 06:52.50 | OpenTokix | good luck anyway |
| 06:53.08 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
| 06:53.14 | rubin110 | Anyone else good with vlans? |
| 06:54.08 | republican_devil | I prefer name based vhosts |
| 06:54.09 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 06:54.13 | republican_devil | <--devil! |
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| 07:01.31 | monkwitdafunk | Where can i buy dvd1-dvd3 if i cannot get a good burn? |
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| 07:09.08 | republican_devil | try usb |
| 07:09.12 | republican_devil | :) |
| 07:09.16 | republican_devil | netinstall cd |
| 07:09.18 | republican_devil | :) |
| 07:09.20 | republican_devil | yeah! |
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| 07:15.47 | rubin110 | asdlfkjeroithaeri409th3oig |
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| 07:15.55 | rubin110 | Restarting isc-dhcp-server on its own fixed it. |
| 07:16.00 | rubin110 | I hate computers. |
| 07:16.04 | rubin110 | I hate them so much. |
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| 07:18.30 | rubin110 | Ok, so iptables question. |
| 07:18.45 | rubin110 | I've got this debian box acting as a router, it's also running a whole bunch of other services. |
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| 07:19.11 | rubin110 | Is there a clean way to drop everything on a particular interface except for NAT traffic? |
| 07:19.56 | rubin110 | I guess NAT and DHCP |
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| 07:28.56 | thoonai_ | good morning |
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| 07:32.16 | thoonai | on my server runs a mpd instance and if I mount the music folder via sshfs every track is playable and in the database, but if I mount the folder via webdav only a hundredth of the tracks is recognized and mpd stops working. Any idea how I solve that? |
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| 07:33.34 | rubin110 | thoonai: Why do you want to run it as webdav? |
| 07:34.17 | thoonai | rubin because double encryption creates quite a lot of load overhead |
| 07:34.37 | thoonai | I'm already accessing my NAS over vpn |
| 07:34.38 | rubin110 | Are you running this over the internet? |
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| 07:35.31 | rubin110 | A few years back and I was rebuilding my home network, I felt the same, then I realized that sshfs/fuse is the most reliant way to access file systems over a network. |
| 07:35.38 | thoonai | rubin110: Internet as in unencrypted between two different locations: no, but VPN over Internet: yes |
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| 07:36.01 | rubin110 | Though I did just setup xbmc to access my home collection of media over webdav, haven't had any issues. |
| 07:36.08 | thoonai | rubin110: I agree. |
| 07:36.26 | rubin110 | Ok, so you're actually limited by bandwidth. |
| 07:36.52 | thoonai | rubin110: no processor load ;) the streaming machine is a VM |
| 07:36.57 | rubin110 | Ah. |
| 07:37.15 | rubin110 | What's running your webdav server? |
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| 07:38.11 | thoonai | thats the only non virtualized Machine in my setup ;) : an AMD 1GHz Geode CPU |
| 07:38.44 | thoonai | oh nginx if you asked for the webserver |
| 07:38.45 | thoonai | ;) |
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| 07:40.00 | rubin110 | I have yet to touch nginx. |
| 07:40.15 | rubin110 | I have apache2 running on my server which is doing the local webdav stuff. |
| 07:40.28 | rubin110 | Other than killing some extra logging, the thing has worked just fine. |
| 07:40.40 | rubin110 | My media libraries are vast. |
| 07:40.53 | rubin110 | The only bottle neck as been XBMC running off of a Raspberrypi. |
| 07:40.56 | thoonai | rubin110: If I open the webda with firefox everything is accessible |
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| 07:41.54 | rubin110 | thoonai: I think the issue you're running into is mpd asking for all of the things at once, and either your http server or whatever you're using to mount webdav locally is barfing. |
| 07:42.16 | rubin110 | Can you give it a try with apache or lighttpd? |
| 07:42.34 | thoonai | rubin110: *hiss*? |
| 07:42.38 | thoonai | rubin110: ^^ |
| 07:42.56 | rubin110 | I'm just suggesting you try this as a test. |
| 07:43.08 | rubin110 | Try to isolate the issue. |
| 07:43.49 | thoonai | rubin110: thats the solution I wanted to try at the very last, because nginx works quite fine all the years ;) |
| 07:43.52 | rubin110 | Also yay my guest network is up and my server is all firewalled to hell. |
| 07:44.05 | rubin110 | I'm absolutely not saying it's a solution. |
| 07:44.08 | rubin110 | Do it for testing. |
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| 07:44.15 | thoonai | rubin110: but yeah lighty could be an idea to test |
| 07:44.44 | rubin110 | If it starts working because you're running apache2, then you know to dig deeper into nginx. |
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| 07:47.25 | thoonai | rubin110: I fear that moment, when I can decide to hack around nginx or use apache ^^ |
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| 07:52.37 | thoonai | rubin110: ok updating, upgrading and aptinstalling lighttpd |
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| 08:07.40 | thoonai | rubin110: thx ;) |
| 08:08.02 | thoonai | rubin110: I'll try it and get back later ;) |
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| 08:09.47 | rubin110 | thoonai: Best of luck. |
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| 08:12.51 | skilz | I want to broadcast what I am playing from Audacious so people can do to a website and listen. How do I do it? |
| 08:13.28 | bazhang | skilz, use vlc instead |
| 08:13.55 | skilz | Nah I use it for movies but Audacious is good for music |
| 08:14.26 | bazhang | vlc is what you want here |
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| 08:27.00 | thoonai | bazhang: skilz icecast? |
| 08:27.10 | thoonai | so I'm off |
| 08:27.13 | thoonai | ^^ |
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| 08:27.32 | skilz | thanks thoonai |
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| 08:27.58 | qwdqas | i'm starting to appreciate debian and apper |
| 08:28.02 | skilz | Whats a good priced IPS panel around 32" that does higher then 1920x1200? |
| 08:28.21 | StyXman | I have an old laptop as home server/media center. it connects to the router via wifi. from time to time, the router resets itseft |
| 08:28.31 | skilz | Currently I have a Dell U2410 |
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| 08:29.58 | StyXman | the wlan interface is configured via /etc/network/interfaces, but when it loses the link during router reboot, it never reconnects. what could I use to reconnect once the network is up again? |
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| 08:37.11 | skilz | StyXman, Do this command sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 08:37.26 | skilz | That will restart networking services and renew your IP. |
| 08:37.48 | StyXman | skilz: yes, I want to do it automatically, sometimes I'm not at home to do it |
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| 08:38.42 | skilz | Run it as a cron job |
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| 08:40.15 | nkuttler | StyXman: there are various packages for laptops that can reconfigure the network automatically |
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| 08:42.40 | StyXman | nkuttler: yes, like network-manager. I was hoping not to depend on them |
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| 08:48.43 | nkuttler | StyXman: btw, can't you just configure your router to hand out a "static" ip over dhcp? |
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| 08:52.08 | adkins1 | hey guys i have a question: if i want to copy a complete backupped filesystem (backup up with rsync) from disk one to disk two and want everything on disk two exactly the same as on disk one then cp -r /disk1 /disk2 isnt enough since it would keep for instance mode,ownership, timestamps. so i assume i need to do cp -r -a . but since cp has so many possible options and since it is a backup i`m not sure what else would really be neede |
| 08:52.44 | ido370 | man cp |
| 08:52.46 | ido370 | :) |
| 08:53.48 | adkins1 | ido370: not what i asked for. of course i`m looking at it right now |
| 08:54.44 | hugg | ido370: why can you not use rsync --backup? |
| 08:55.05 | ido370 | hugg: you mean adkins1, not me ;) |
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| 08:56.01 | hugg | i meant both of you, cause you said RTFM on cp when adkins1 clearly should be using rsync |
| 08:56.47 | adkins1 | hugg: never seen that rsync option. i started to do rsync -ax --delete but i have so many backups on the disk, takes forever |
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| 08:58.26 | thoonai | rubin110: I solved the Problem with NFS |
| 08:58.28 | afidegnum_ | hello, I am facing an issue, |
| 08:58.30 | thoonai | rubin110: ^^ |
| 08:58.33 | afidegnum_ | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mariadb-server-10.0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 08:58.45 | afidegnum_ | this error appears while trying to install mariadb |
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| 09:01.32 | afidegnum_ | any answer please ? |
| 09:01.36 | adkins1 | wouldnt copying with dd be faster and do what i need? |
| 09:02.20 | hugg | adkins1: rsync has the incremental advantage, and the checksum capability. |
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| 09:03.16 | adkins1 | hugg: i know, but i only want to cp my backup disk to a never backup disk ONCE, its not for everyday backup |
| 09:04.10 | StyXman | nkuttler: the problem is not the ip (it is static), it's that it doesn't come up automatically |
| 09:04.29 | hugg | Is the OS on the same host filesystem? if yes you can't DD from that. |
| 09:04.44 | hugg | (unless you boot from another OS) |
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| 09:05.34 | hugg | adkins1: it's also risky unless the two physical disks are the same with the same partition table and filesystem |
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| 09:07.32 | adkins1 | hugg: two seperate external disks, os not running on any of these, disk1 has for instance folders: "backup1, backup2,.....backupn". disk2 is empty. both have ext4 filesystems. but.....ok i think this is an issue: disk1 is larger than disk2 ;) |
| 09:08.19 | afidegnum_ | hello, pls i need help |
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| 09:09.13 | adkins1 | hugg: would you think that cp -r -p /disk1 /disk2 would be, in my case, ok? or should i better do rsync -ax --delete and wait and wait and wait ;) ? |
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| 09:09.39 | hugg | adkins1: that's a horrible idea, permissions, groups.... |
| 09:09.55 | adkins1 | u mean cp? |
| 09:09.59 | hugg | adkins1: just rsync properly https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_system_backup_with_rsync |
| 09:10.11 | thoonai | afidegnum_: sometimes no one can help or is busy helping with other problems. It could be good idea to let google search for the error |
| 09:10.18 | adkins1 | even hurrible with -p option? |
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| 09:10.32 | StyXman | adkins1: -p is not enough |
| 09:11.12 | hugg | adkins1: -p doesn't preserve very much at all, like SELinux context |
| 09:11.13 | adkins1 | StyXman: ok what i wanted to hear ;) what else would be needed |
| 09:11.26 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell afidegnum_ about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 09:11.38 | hugg | adkins1: rsync is what else would be needed! it's an amazing tool. just use it. |
| 09:11.46 | StyXman | cp -a should do it; add v if you want progress and x if you want to stop at mountpoints... which you probably want, so you don't copy f.i. /dev's contents |
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| 09:12.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell afidegnum_ about immediate configuration |
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| 09:12.46 | jelly-home | judd: v mariadb-server-10.0 |
| 09:12.47 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server-10.0' was found in i386. |
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| 09:13.46 | afidegnum_ | jelly-home: thanks, but I don't want to upgrade to wheezy yet, |
| 09:13.54 | adkins1 | hugg: thank you. i love rsync too |
| 09:14.09 | afidegnum_ | I still want to be on squeeze since my current application requires it |
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| 09:14.26 | An_Ony_Moose | ... is it really a good idea to have the URL http://www.xxx.com in dpkg's help? |
| 09:14.49 | adkins1 | StyXman: -a equals -rlptgoD gosh. thats many options ;) will study these, but maybe take rsync to be sure ;) |
| 09:15.00 | jelly-home | afidegnum_: dpkg is not suggesting upgrading. It just says this kind of error often happens in that situation. Read the whole of it. |
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| 09:16.13 | jelly-home | afidegnum_: doing "apt-get upgrade ..." won't change your system to wheezy |
| 09:16.38 | afidegnum_ | ah, ok, thansk |
| 09:17.24 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: where exactly did you find that url? |
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| 09:18.40 | StyXman | adkins1: for rsync, -a is the same type of alias, check its manpage |
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| 09:19.14 | StyXman | ok, it seems I should put my wlan in roaming mode |
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| 09:19.34 | adkins1 | StyXman: i meant cp -a and not rsync -a |
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| 09:20.53 | StyXman | adkins1: yes, I understood, I' m just pointing out that rsync is similar to cp in that case |
| 09:21.14 | adkins1 | StyXman: oh, ok thank you |
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| 09:24.57 | skribblezatcha | i discovered apt-pinning. its a heck of a thing.:) |
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| 09:26.32 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly-home: /msg dpkg help |
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| 09:27.31 | ryonaloli | i want to create a new user called backups on a remote computer which i'll use to login to backup this computer using rsync. the reason i want a separate user is so that my normal user is unable to read /media/backup-data where i keep backups, and only the backup user can. however i'm trying to be ableto log into it using public key authentication with ssh, but i'm hesitant to create an entire home directory for this user just so it can have .ssh |
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| 09:27.59 | ryonaloli | what's that's best thing to do here? |
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| 09:30.39 | jkt | hi folks; I'd like to call awk from inside my debian/rules, and the awk should be invoked as awk '/Version:/{print $2}'. However, it seems that if I put this verbatim in debian/rules, it ends up as awk '/Version:/{print }' |
| 09:30.50 | MeanEYE | Is there a reason why Firefox is so slow to get updated on Testing? |
| 09:30.56 | jkt | how do I escape this $2? I tried simply \$2, but that doesn't work |
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| 09:32.47 | ryonaloli | jkt: try '\''$2'\'' or something |
| 09:33.14 | ryonaloli | if your goal is to put $2 in ' |
| 09:33.22 | adkins1 | ryonaloli: i thought of doing a rsync backup from local pc to remote pc via ssh too yesterday ;) i thought of generating a rsa keypair on local pc for root and allow root to login via ssh on the remote. but not sure if this is somehow criminal ;) |
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| 09:34.31 | ryonaloli | adkins1: that's what i would do, but i really don't want to enable login to root with ssh |
| 09:34.39 | jkt | ryonaloli: seems that it should be $$ as per e.g. http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/python-modules/packages/python-qt4/trunk/debian/rules?r1=5742&r2=5768 |
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| 09:35.20 | jkt | ryonaloli: as that $2 should be passed verbatim, without any expansion all the way to awk |
| 09:35.22 | adkins1 | ryonaloli: yes wasnt feeling so good about it either ;) |
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| 09:35.54 | ryonaloli | adkins1: the destination computer in my case is not accessible remotely from outside my lan however, so it *might* be acceptable for me to enable it |
| 09:36.11 | ryonaloli | especially if i disable password login and require rsa keys |
| 09:36.35 | adkins1 | ryonaloli: same here. and thought the same ;) |
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| 09:37.14 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: thanks, I'll forward that to bot owner |
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| 09:38.46 | skribblezatcha | MeanEYE, you can use apt-pinning if you want to go ahead and update iceweasel. |
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| 09:39.22 | jkt | ok, $$ it is |
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| 09:43.08 | MeanEYE | skribblezatcha, I can? How? |
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| 09:43.55 | skribblezatcha | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html this is how to go about doing that MeanEYE . |
| 09:44.16 | MeanEYE | Thanks! |
| 09:44.57 | skribblezatcha | yw MeanEYE .:) |
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| 10:04.41 | wsdfadf | i have downloaded the 3.2 dbg symbols but i still can't see shit in debugger, any help ? |
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| 10:08.53 | FlowRiser | lucido: yes! i had the same problem |
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| 10:15.37 | An_Ony_Moose | lucido: nice.... |
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| 10:21.00 | paulk-collins | hi, I have an issue with iwl3945, it doesn't seem to get recognized by network manager |
| 10:21.08 | paulk-collins | it works well in iwconfig and all |
| 10:21.14 | paulk-collins | but only network manager fails to see it |
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| 10:47.17 | Greek-Boy | !teel Greek-Boy about usb install |
| 10:47.26 | Greek-Boy | !tell Greek-Boy about usb install |
| 10:47.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Greek-Boy about selftell |
| 10:48.03 | Greek-Boy | lol |
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| 10:48.17 | Greek-Boy | it didn't tell me anything |
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| 10:56.48 | abrotman | yes, it did |
| 10:56.53 | abrotman | lolololol |
| 10:57.26 | lucido | is there something like pastebinit for |
| 10:57.28 | lucido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:03.05 | Guest26853 | test |
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| 11:04.26 | abrotman | lucido: yes, pastebinit |
| 11:04.42 | lucido | aboudreault, hehe, thx |
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| 11:10.46 | S4nD3r | Hi there. I was looking for a way to solve this error message pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_ERROR), returned control mask: 0x1d. See my dmesg | grep -i acp in http://paste.debian.net/100126/ |
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| 11:13.49 | gry- | > Get root and type dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the locale(s) you want to generate. At the end, you'll be asked which one should be the default. https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 11:14.27 | gry- | it does not ask me at the end; how do I make it do that? I'd like to set a locale |
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| 11:16.30 | wols_ | gry-: /etc/default/locale |
| 11:17.03 | wols_ | or you can set it for your user in your .profile |
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| 11:18.29 | debiator | my graphics acc. sucks. have gnome shell and ati 6450 using the Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAICOS drives |
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| 11:19.07 | debiator | it gets really slow when i am starting qt apps lige texmaker and skype |
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| 11:19.23 | debiator | i love debian, but this makes me sad |
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| 11:20.38 | An_Ony_Moose | can I have an fstab entry that does automount but does not cause booting to fail if it can't be mounted? |
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| 11:21.13 | debiator | An_Ony_Moose, use option rw,noauto,users |
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| 11:21.35 | An_Ony_Moose | debiator: but then it won't mount on boot, no? |
| 11:21.56 | wols_ | An_Ony_Moose: man fstab. check the fourth field |
| 11:21.59 | debiator | no you can mount it as a normal user |
| 11:22.22 | debiator | i use it for nfs mounts |
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| 11:22.54 | An_Ony_Moose | aaah so I want nofail |
| 11:23.07 | An_Ony_Moose | I'll also add users, because that does make sense as an option to have. |
| 11:23.39 | S4nD3r | I have a problem like this one, but in usb flash drive |
| 11:23.44 | An_Ony_Moose | uuuh debiator are you sure it's users? the manpage says user |
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| 11:24.00 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.09 | S4nD3r | I'm looking for a way to change it |
| 11:24.26 | An_Ony_Moose | S4nD3r: there might be a switch on the USB stick itself that disables writing |
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| 11:25.03 | zykotick9 | S4nD3r: my crystal-ball suggests you might be using FAT/NTFS on that usb stick... |
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| 11:25.33 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 11:25.41 | S4nD3r | but I formatted in linux |
| 11:25.46 | S4nD3r | using fdisk |
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| 11:26.24 | An_Ony_Moose | also: is there a way to prevent the display manager from starting automatically on boot? |
| 11:27.30 | zykotick9 | An_Ony_Moose: i find rcconf an easy to use curse based tool for managing start-up services |
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| 11:29.39 | An_Ony_Moose | zykotick9: I'll try that, thanks. |
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| 11:30.37 | Extensa5630G | not sure why Unetbootin succeeds in creating a bootable yet functional debian installation, while Pendtivelinux's products like YUMI and UUI fail |
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| 11:30.49 | S4nD3r | now, I got to format using gparted |
| 11:30.49 | wols_ | zykotick9: does it still work with dependency based init.d? |
| 11:31.02 | S4nD3r | still in read-only mounting |
| 11:31.02 | Extensa5630G | *pendrivelinux* |
| 11:31.23 | zykotick9 | wols_: that i don't know - works for me on wheezy |
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| 11:31.56 | wols_ | zykotick9: wheey has dependency based booting (LSB tags) |
| 11:31.58 | zykotick9 | S4nD3r: fat/ntfs permission are entirely dependent on how you mount it... |
| 11:32.26 | nath__ | morning everyone, " anyone here knowing a way getting audio output from flashplugin-nonfree to jack (routible in patchage)?" |
| 11:32.45 | S4nD3r | there's nothing in fstab about this /dev |
| 11:33.05 | S4nD3r | it's automounted |
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| 11:33.15 | S4nD3r | I'm using gnome 3, I guess |
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| 11:33.37 | S4nD3r | it's automounted in /media/usb0 |
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| 11:33.51 | S4nD3r | /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 11:36.48 | S4nD3r | I got rw when mount as root |
| 11:37.01 | gry_ | I see 'ÇžöÇžöÇžöÇžö' instead of '--------' in interface of commandline, I think ncurses-based, applications (the dialog elinks opens when I open it). Already tried to set the locale to UTF-8. What else should I try? |
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| 11:37.43 | gry_ | To EN_US.UTF-8, even. |
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| 11:38.14 | gry_ | Also, when I open irssi, it fails to scroll the buffer up properly, so I see the screenful, and only its last line changes (shows your next lines). |
| 11:38.35 | zykotick9 | gry_: what terminal are you using? |
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| 11:38.37 | wols_ | are you on a real linux terminal or do you use ssh? |
| 11:38.45 | gry_ | Real terminal. |
| 11:38.55 | gry_ | I am using two TTYs without screen to eliminate their issues. |
| 11:39.03 | S4nD3r | my user is added to plugdev |
| 11:39.05 | S4nD3r | group |
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| 11:40.23 | gry_ | When I connect with weechat, the vertical separator between chat view and channels list is supposed to be a vertical line, but it is a vertical line of 'x's instead. (x, x below it, x below it, etc.) |
| 11:41.02 | gry_ | zykotick9, I don't know what terminal it is. It's not a terminal emulator, so I don't know what the name of this 'terminal' is. |
| 11:41.43 | zykotick9 | gry_: console... do you have xorg installed on this system (or is it a server)? |
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| 11:43.12 | fbite | I have a samba share in fstab |
| 11:43.21 | fbite | But (t doesn't show. |
| 11:43.35 | fbite | Maube cuz my wifi doesn't start until after x? |
| 11:43.39 | S4nD3r | hey |
| 11:43.50 | S4nD3r | look what fsck output http://paste.debian.net/100130/ |
| 11:44.11 | fbite | Sorry for typos. Anyone know if I need ethernet to have samba boot in fstab ? |
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| 11:46.14 | gry_ | zykotick9, yes, I have Xorg installed. It is a laptop. (FWIW it worked before, a year ago or so, but too many things changed since then.) |
| 11:46.39 | zykotick9 | gry_: in xorg do you have these same issues? |
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| 11:46.57 | gry_ | No. In xfce-terminal, I don't. |
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| 11:47.20 | zykotick9 | gry_: have you changed the font being used in console? |
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| 11:47.49 | gry_ | I had changed it at some point a few months ago, but I don't remember what the default font is. |
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| 11:48.51 | gry_ | I think that dpkg-reconfigure console lets me set a font, but again, I don't know what font to give to it; I'd be happy to reset all settings it prompts for to their defaults, if that's possible. |
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| 11:50.54 | tasab | wols_, how R U today , can U pls hv a look to the following link and let me know if possible - thanx http://pastebin.com/gDUxVXEv |
| 11:51.14 | zykotick9 | gry_: try "fixed", you might want to play around with the other options in there as well. Keep in mind, the linux-console (what many call TTYs) are "weak". if you're not having issues with xorg terminals, you might want to consider using those instead. best of luck though. |
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| 11:52.05 | gry_ | tasab: try without the 'j' please. |
| 11:52.07 | alex1 | hello friends. i did a mistake, and need to edit the grub entry line to change init. my grub menu has only one entry, and the boot proceeds immediately, ignoring my attempt to press escape, or shift to stop at menu, and also 'e' to edit the current entry. how could i edit that line? |
| 11:52.16 | wldef | tasab, use tar xvfz <filename> then it works |
| 11:53.17 | tasab | gry-, wldef , ok will see - tks |
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| 11:53.23 | gry_ | On, and it was dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, not the thing without '-setup' which I mentioned earlier. Thanks, I'll try. |
| 11:53.28 | zykotick9 | wldef: fyi, you doing need to give tar z or j anymore, it can figure it out itself |
| 11:53.30 | gry_ | s/On/Oh/ |
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| 11:55.23 | zykotick9 | s/doing/don't/ |
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| 11:55.51 | gry_ | I think it's something else. I tried changing encoding, I tried changing the font, I tried changing character set, they make no difference. |
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| 11:58.57 | zykotick9 | gry_: do you have alsamixer on your system? do it display properly? |
| 11:59.00 | S4nD3r | I don't remember anymore |
| 11:59.26 | S4nD3r | a usb stick must be formated in ntfs to be accessed by windows or linux, right? |
| 11:59.41 | S4nD3r | windows AND linux |
| 11:59.50 | alex1 | or fat32 |
| 11:59.51 | wols_ | FAT32 usually |
| 12:00.04 | S4nD3r | 0.o |
| 12:00.13 | skilz | Can anyone tell me the name of this font please? http://www.fontspace.com/category/pie+chart |
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| 12:00.39 | S4nD3r | Great. I didn't remember about it. Thanks |
| 12:00.40 | wols_ | skilz: and this is debian related how? |
| 12:01.30 | S4nD3r | the best way is do it using mkfs.vfat, correct? |
| 12:01.50 | skilz | I need to install it into debian |
| 12:02.18 | berarma | !best |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:02.29 | movl | :))) |
| 12:02.36 | wols_ | we can help you with installing, but finding out what font it is, is not a debian support question, is it? hint: whatthefont |
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| 12:03.48 | petemc | what the font will ask what letters those symbols correspond to |
| 12:03.59 | petemc | so wont help |
| 12:04.32 | gry_ | Yes, alsamixer displays properly. |
| 12:04.43 | skilz | What the %@^& is whatthefont? |
| 12:04.56 | gry_ | zykotick9, yes, alsamixer displays properly. |
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| 12:05.19 | wols_ | damn it must be sunday already :( |
| 12:05.25 | petemc | skilz: a website that identifies typefaces |
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| 12:05.42 | zykotick9 | gry_: that has LOTS of lines, is this specific to weechat or do other applications also have issues? |
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| 12:05.57 | wols_ | that page clearly names the font, allows you to download it, etc. and he still asks these inane questions *headdesk* |
| 12:06.02 | gry_ | zykotick9, elinks, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, irssi, weechat have issues. |
| 12:06.42 | zykotick9 | gry_: sorry, i'm all out of ideas. hope you find the answer! |
| 12:06.51 | Demontager | Guys, what module i need to get these works on Debian 7 ? 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 12:07.26 | movl | Demontager: if you see this in your boot messages it's likely the module works |
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| 12:07.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Demontager -about 82579V |
| 12:08.04 | petern_ | skilz, yeah... read your own link... |
| 12:08.10 | babilen | Demontager: In short: "Just workds" |
| 12:08.52 | Demontager | no, it is not there, i booted Debian 6 and it works there, but not in Debian 7 |
| 12:08.57 | babilen | skilz: Please try to keep it on-topic and civil in here. This is not #guess_the_font, but #debian. And please also consider that you can easily answer that question yourself. Either way, not quite right here. Thank you! :) |
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| 12:09.18 | movl | Demontager: lsmod ? |
| 12:09.21 | babilen | Demontager: What do you mean by "not there" ? What did you do exactly to check that? |
| 12:09.31 | Demontager | ifconfig -a |
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| 12:10.18 | babilen | Demontager: So, please run "modprobe -r e1000e ; modprobe e1000e ; dmesg|tail -n42" and paste the output together with that of "ip a" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:10.20 | Demontager | seems this module i need - e1000e 110270 0 |
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| 12:12.27 | Demontager | i found only this guide http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Installing_Intel_Network_Card_Drivers_under_Debian to install e1000e |
| 12:12.58 | babilen | ... |
| 12:13.17 | petern_ | I wouldn't follow that. |
| 12:13.20 | wols_ | Demontager: this is for a very old and outdated debian. which means it's useless for you |
| 12:13.27 | babilen | You don't have to install. It is part of the kernel. Since years. |
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| 12:14.01 | babilen | Demontager: Please relax. Once you achieved that read what I said earlier and provide the requested data. |
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| 12:14.49 | Demontager | <babilen> i will back to Debian 7 and will fetch data, now on Debian 6 |
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| 12:17.17 | alex1 | hello friends. i did a mistake, and need to edit the grub entry line to change init. my grub menu has only one entry, and the boot proceeds immediately, ignoring my attempt to press escape, or shift to stop at menu, and also 'e' to edit the current entry. how could i edit that line? |
| 12:18.00 | zykotick9 | alex1: try holding shift, after BIOS |
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| 12:20.05 | Demontager | <babilen> Found the problem, e1000e exist in Debian 7, but i configured wrong interface in /etc/network/interfaces so network was not up after boot. Thanks, all fixed now |
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| 12:24.03 | Demontager | And how to define in /etc/network/interfaces that any wired interface should be up after boot in auto mode ? |
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| 12:24.43 | Demontager | i explicit set allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 12:24.43 | Demontager | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.43 | Demontager | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:27.50 | Demontager | maybe i just may put allow-hotplug eth0 allow-hotplug eth1 allow-hotplug eth2 ? |
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| 12:30.08 | zykotick9 | Demontager: sidenote - i've never used allow-hotplug, but using "auto eth0 eth1 wlan0" works on a single line. |
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| 12:31.41 | Demontager | <zykotick9> ok, thanks, noted you tip |
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| 12:31.59 | lucido | whats up with the noip2 package, it doesnt work anymore? |
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| 12:33.09 | debiator | so is there any solution for the slow moving windows in gnome-shell for debian? alt+F2 and r is an temporary solution for some hours ... found this bug also in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/850649 |
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| 12:33.16 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm trying to mount an HFS+ partition and it complains that it has an "invalid secondary volume header" (but detects it correctly as being HFS+). It mounts fine on OSX. What can cause this? |
| 12:33.28 | Demontager | <zykotick9> How about this line iface eth1 inet dhcp ? I want allow all interfaces get IP from dhcpd |
| 12:34.08 | zykotick9 | Demontager: i believe those must be specific for each interface |
| 12:34.26 | babilen | Yeah, they do |
| 12:34.35 | zykotick9 | Demontager: do you really have multiple network cards? |
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| 12:35.54 | zykotick9 | Demontager: when you where asking to use ANY, i was wondering about your setup... |
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| 12:37.23 | Demontager | <zykotick9>don't really get what you mean. |
| 12:37.54 | zykotick9 | Demontager: how many ethernet cards are in this box? |
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| 12:38.35 | Demontager | 1, but i use cloned USB stick image for couple of machines |
| 12:39.33 | Demontager | one machine has LAN interface detected as eth0, another one as eth1 |
| 12:39.43 | wols_ | udev assigns a new ethernet interface (eth1, 2,3 etc) everytime the MAC of the NIC changes |
| 12:41.23 | jelly-home | !70 |
| 12:41.23 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
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| 12:42.11 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: thanks, i was about to ask if someone remember the factoid re: udev/network cards. now, stop reading my mind ;) |
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| 12:42.21 | wols_ | jelly-home: thanks. I was looking for "persistent" and didn't find it |
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| 12:42.53 | wols_ | Demontager: you simply delete this file in your image, and the network card should always be eth0 |
| 12:43.09 | wols_ | the file gets recreated on first boot btw |
| 12:43.32 | tasab | hello all , tried to install some package but failed can you pls see the attached link and let me know how to fix the concerned , tks a lot , the link is http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/14/0517/h_1400330593_8410855_39b1edd721.png |
| 12:46.07 | zykotick9 | tasab: sidenote - i might not be the only one here, who doesn't click on random image links - using text based pastebin sites (like paste.debian.net) might get more attention. just sayin' |
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| 12:53.02 | ted20 | Why, debian security isn't available via ftp? |
| 12:53.30 | jelly-home | ted20: why would it be? |
| 12:54.09 | ted20 | Because debian repository is avaiable |
| 12:54.26 | abrotman | ted20: why does it matter? |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | ted20: Does http not work for you for some reason? |
| 12:54.44 | jelly-home | ted20: not all mirrors have ftp protocol support. |
| 12:54.47 | ted20 | Yeah, sometimes |
| 12:54.51 | abrotman | sometimes? |
| 12:55.17 | ted20 | yes |
| 12:55.19 | jelly-home | http is much saner. |
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| 12:55.54 | ted20 | Why? Generally ftp is faster than http |
| 12:56.24 | jelly-home | that's incorrect. |
| 12:56.26 | abrotman | not likely |
| 12:56.48 | abrotman | FTP is probabably one of the worst protocols on the internet |
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| 12:57.54 | ted20 | "FTP was not designed to be a secure protocol, and has many security weaknesses." |
| 12:57.59 | ted20 | HTTP also ;) |
| 12:58.08 | troulouliou_dev | hi i have installed 7.5.0 net install on an old laptop and after installation it boots to a black screen; i reinstalled 7.5.0 lxde and it boot correctly ; but after desactivating lightdm and reboot i get a black screen again |
| 12:58.35 | abrotman | ted20: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 12:58.59 | ted20 | abrotman: No, i said why it isn't available via ftp? |
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| 12:59.07 | abrotman | ted20: you were told |
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| 13:00.51 | ted20 | eh... Yea |
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| 13:03.01 | ted20 | jelly-home: But I mean ftp://security.debian.org/ |
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| 13:03.39 | jelly-home | ted20: because there's no need to. |
| 13:03.39 | abrotman | he knows what you mean |
| 13:03.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: Maybe you don't understand what FTP is? |
| 13:04.24 | jelly-home | ted20: I'm not sure what issue you have with this situation, what fails to work? |
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| 13:06.40 | ted20 | jelly-home: W: Failed to fetch ftp://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 212.211.132.32 21] |
| 13:07.17 | jelly-home | ted20: your sources.list seems to be incorrect |
| 13:07.24 | abrotman | ted20: again, it doesn't work. what's the problem with using HTTP? |
| 13:09.01 | ted20 | abrotman: simply, sometimes i've incorrect routing via http (i'm behind proxy) |
| 13:09.18 | abrotman | That's nonsense |
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| 13:10.35 | jelly-home | ted20: contact your proxy admin |
| 13:11.34 | troulouliou_dev | any idea how i can set the console resolutioj with nomodeset |
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| 13:12.21 | ted20 | abrotman: i know that ;) |
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| 13:16.34 | zykotick9 | troulouliou_dev: this _might_ help? http://blog.samat.org/2010/11/09/High-resolution-text-console-with-uvesafb-and-Debian |
| 13:17.06 | zykotick9 | troulouliou_dev: i'm assuming you are using nvidia/ati propietary driver? |
| 13:17.08 | troulouliou_dev | zykotick9, awesome thanks |
| 13:17.17 | troulouliou_dev | zykotick9, no an extra old intel gpu |
| 13:17.22 | troulouliou_dev | zykotick9, one of the first |
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| 13:17.42 | zykotick9 | troulouliou_dev: oh, well, i'll extra stress the _might_ help then ;) best of luck. |
| 13:18.16 | jelly-home | troulouliou_dev: which one exactly? uvesafb is rather a hackish approach, using KMS and modeset and intelfb is usually better |
| 13:18.41 | jelly-home | also, it interferes with Xorg in weird and unusual ways |
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| 13:19.19 | zykotick9 | troulouliou_dev: i'd suggest you strong consider jelly-home's comments above! best to probably ignore my suggestion. |
| 13:19.28 | skilz | I have a .conf file which I have to use 'sudo' to edit, how do I change it's permission to my user level? |
| 13:19.29 | zykotick9 | s/strong/strongly/ |
| 13:19.36 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, i m reinstalli the netinsta atm; i managed to get lxde 7.5.0 booting butafter disabling lightdm i get black screen only except if i use nomodeset |
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| 13:19.59 | cast | does debian have any sort of tool to list outstanding CVEs or DSAs or similar?? |
| 13:20.14 | jelly-home | cast: command line? |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | cast: debsecan ? |
| 13:20.20 | cast | aye. |
| 13:20.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cast about tracker of doom |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell skilz about permissions |
| 13:20.53 | cast | cheers :) |
| 13:21.39 | skilz | I've tried 'chown file.conf' |
| 13:22.11 | abrotman | skilz: did you read the URLs the bot gave you? |
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| 13:23.37 | troulouliou_dev | jelly-home, iiuc nomodeset; the kernel will just output to an old 640x480 output |
| 13:23.54 | troulouliou_dev | with kms modeset and a fb i can get higher resolution ? |
| 13:23.56 | wleslie | is there an easy way to generate a patch from an 'apt-get source' that I've modified? |
| 13:24.06 | troulouliou_dev | and in modern systems this is all auto |
| 13:24.13 | jelly-home | skilz: typically there's a good reason for a global file to be editable by root only. Instead of changing permissions to introduce potential additional vulnerabilities, it's better to just keep using sudoedit. |
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| 13:25.07 | skilz | jelly-home, Nah I've accidenly changed the file ownership to root from an old install |
| 13:25.22 | jelly-home | skilz: which file? (full path) |
| 13:25.24 | skilz | It's a config file I had from 2 years ago on a cdrom |
| 13:25.31 | skilz | ~/conky.conf |
| 13:25.41 | skilz | I copied it of my cd |
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| 13:26.17 | abrotman | skilz: Have you read the URLs the bot gave you yet? |
| 13:26.37 | skilz | abrotman, yes I am reading |
| 13:26.38 | Blakney | I've tried everything I read about (changing ports to over 50000, open ports via iptables, changing servers) but amule always gives me "low id" and "kad firewalled". It does work however. Anyone else maybe with the same issue or a fix for it? |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | skilz: you're asking a very basic question, those URLs should help you |
| 13:26.55 | Blakney | btw I do NOT have a router. |
| 13:26.56 | abrotman | *should* .. |
| 13:27.03 | jstoone | I've just installed phpmyadmin from the deb source, but is there a way for me to change where it's placed? I mission is to place it in /var/www/phpmyadmin for example. |
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| 13:27.10 | abrotman | Blakney: you have no router at all ? |
| 13:27.19 | Blakney | abrotman No |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | jstoone: symlink ? |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | Blakney: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 13:28.05 | Blakney | abrotman mobile broadband |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | So it has a router, you don't .. |
| 13:28.34 | jstoone | abrotman: Blakney: are you guys not connecting with telekinesis? |
| 13:28.55 | jstoone | ... okay that was a really really bad joke, sorry about that. |
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| 13:29.00 | abrotman | jstoone: gets very foggy when drunk .. probably a good thing to keep me from drunk IRCing : |
| 13:29.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:29.35 | jstoone | abrotman: the files will still be owned by root when doing that. |
| 13:29.42 | jstoone | abrotman: symlinking. |
| 13:29.57 | abrotman | jstoone: you just asked to change where it's placed .. |
| 13:29.57 | jstoone | abrotman: and drunk IRCing is sometimes not smart, at all. |
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| 13:30.39 | jelly-home | Blakney: it is not unusual for mobile providers to use carrier-grade NAT or block inbound connections completely in some other way |
| 13:31.30 | jstoone | abrotman: Sorry, I'm not being clear. I'm using php-fpm to compile my php files and would like to install phpmyadmin to the before mentioned location so I can chown the files and configure them properly. I'm using nginx as http server. |
| 13:31.36 | hassoon | given that i wanted to install the real firefox in debian wheezy kde, i ended up here after browsing for a while: https://thestandardoutput.com/2013/06/install-the-real-firefox-on-debian-7/ , is adding such repository fine? |
| 13:31.43 | skilz | abrotman, what's this about http://www.damog.net/files/pics/abrotman.jpg lol |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | skilz: what about it? |
| 13:32.04 | Blakney | jelly-home Well, actually it does work, interestingly it connects to KAD and shows the udp port as open at the beginning, but after that it changes and turnes to "kad firewalled". |
| 13:32.05 | skilz | The hat lol were you drunk? |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | skilz: I'm sorry you don't have any friends to post pictures of you on the internet .. Sucks to be you |
| 13:32.28 | skilz | Pretty cool hat actually |
| 13:32.36 | abrotman | skilz: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 13:32.42 | skilz | Yes |
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| 13:33.33 | Blakney | jelly-home Anyway it seems that it's not a debian or amule issue then... |
| 13:33.35 | abrotman | skilz: then please stay on-topic |
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| 13:33.57 | jelly-home | Blakney: that's likely, yeah |
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| 13:34.08 | jelly-home | the case. |
| 13:34.42 | themill | hassoon: I wouldn't recommend using 3rd party repos at all. Changing the icon is unlikely to change your browsing experience. |
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| 13:35.17 | Blakney | jelly-home ok, thx. At least it does work, that firewalled and low id issue is just a bit annoying. |
| 13:35.30 | hassoon | themill: are non-debian repositories called 3rd party repositories?even if those repositories belong to other distro's? |
| 13:35.37 | skilz | abrotman, my apologies, sorry about that. |
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| 13:36.10 | themill | hassoon: if those repositories belong to other distributions then you'd be absolutely mad to use them. |
| 13:36.17 | zykotick9 | hassoon: why do you want the "real" firefox? |
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| 13:36.50 | hassoon | zykotick9: i like it, and it often runs smooth and better that thos firefox-based forks |
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| 13:37.03 | hassoon | *than those* |
| 13:37.07 | themill | hassoon: changing the icon doesn't change that. |
| 13:37.15 | zykotick9 | hassoon: whatever... good luck. |
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| 13:37.33 | hassoon | gentlemen, same thingy for google chrome, it seems like i have to add some kind of repository |
| 13:37.38 | hassoon | themill: sorry what you mean |
| 13:37.46 | hassoon | zykotick9: alright, thanks |
| 13:37.51 | themill | hassoon: the difference is an icon. |
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| 13:38.20 | hassoon | themill: ummm |
| 13:39.00 | jelly-home | themill: and the User-Agent. |
| 13:39.17 | themill | jelly-home: that doesn't make it "smooth and better" |
| 13:39.27 | jelly-home | it does for some very silly sites. |
| 13:39.45 | themill | jelly-home: not recently |
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| 13:40.18 | jelly-home | haven't come across one in years, true |
| 13:40.23 | hassoon | isn't using these repositories mentioned in debian site safe then? https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories |
| 13:40.30 | themill | «Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 Iceweasel/29.0.1» even braindead sites looking for "Firefox" in that can find it there. |
| 13:41.14 | jelly-home | wheezy has iceweasel 29? |
| 13:41.27 | themill | mozilla.d.n |
| 13:41.43 | themill | hassoon: I'd have a hard time recommending any of them. |
| 13:41.45 | ted20 | Unofficial repository ;) |
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| 13:42.40 | themill | ted20: hosted on debian infrastructure made by the maintainers of the packages in debian... there's a big difference there |
| 13:43.28 | jelly-home | hassoon: if you need chrome with nonfree bits (flash, pdf plugin), get it from the vendor once, and the package sets up google chrome repos itself for further updates |
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| 13:46.28 | hassoon | the strange thing is that downloading google cgrome .deb file simply from google site seems a annoying in a way that the page stills load forever, instead of starting downloading chrome browser .deb file in fact |
| 13:46.34 | hassoon | *chrome* |
| 13:46.57 | hassoon | *still loads* |
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| 13:48.03 | skilz | I think chown is broken |
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| 13:48.48 | skilz | Because 'chown skilz conky.conf' doesn't change it, when I do 'nano conky.conf' I get 'Warning: No write permission'. |
| 13:48.56 | abrotman | skilz: you're doing it wrong |
| 13:49.12 | skilz | I didn't understand the URLs abrotman |
| 13:49.18 | abrotman | read them again |
| 13:49.30 | skilz | Please explain to me |
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| 13:50.03 | petern_ | chown is not chmod |
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| 13:50.27 | hassoon | ah whatever..i still have a anlready-downloaded .deb file of google chrome that i stored somwhere before reinstalling my debian wheezy dke |
| 13:50.31 | hassoon | *kde |
| 13:50.56 | hassoon | found skype, and avg AV as well :) |
| 13:50.59 | skilz | $ chown -v skilz conky.conf |
| 13:51.00 | skilz | ownership of `conky.conf' retained as skilz |
| 13:51.05 | skilz | but I can't write to it |
| 13:51.17 | abrotman | skilz: read the Permissions URLs again .. you're clearly missing something |
| 13:51.26 | petern_ | Cool, running a free software OS and then all this proprietory stuff on top... |
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| 13:52.54 | jelly-home | petern_: just in case you did not know, this is what Operating Systems are for. |
| 13:53.13 | skilz | abrotman, never mind, I just right clicked the file > options > permissions and ticked read and write :) |
| 13:53.20 | jelly-home | running stuff on top, whatever the user wants or needs to run |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | skilz: awesome, you really learned a lot there .. great plan |
| 13:53.36 | skilz | IT was broken |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | no, you don't know what you're doing, and you don't care to learn |
| 13:54.28 | skilz | abrotman, chmod u+w filename would be what I need. |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | skilz: No, please go read the URLs again |
| 13:55.02 | jelly-home | actually that was probably right? |
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| 13:55.18 | skilz | abrotman, I don't think you know! |
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| 13:55.24 | skilz | The answer |
| 13:55.28 | abrotman | skilz: let me rephrase, do you understand what that does? |
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| 13:56.23 | aboomar | http://tny.cz/1b55a440 |
| 13:56.40 | abrotman | aboomar: and what about it? |
| 13:57.05 | skilz | abrotman, Of course I do... But do you? |
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| 13:57.14 | abrotman | skilz: ... |
| 13:57.22 | skilz | +w = write |
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| 13:57.34 | abrotman | skilz: You're becoming more annoying the longer you're in this channel. |
| 13:57.36 | hassoon | well..i'll stick to chromium then |
| 13:58.09 | petern_ | chrome problems? |
| 13:58.33 | hassoon | petern_: can't download it nor install an already-downladed .deb installation file days ago |
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| 13:58.48 | hassoon | i'm setting my newly-installed debian kde wheezy |
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| 13:59.04 | petern_ | no error messages on install? |
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| 14:01.38 | hassoon | petern_: 1)when i try to download it from the google site, the page still loads forever whithout starting the download process, whe i run dpkg -i <installation_file_of_chrome_i_downloaded_days_ago_before_reinstalling_my_OS.deb> i get this error: |
| 14:01.48 | hassoon | dpkg: error processing google-chrome-stable (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 14:01.48 | dpkg | hassoon: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 14:01.56 | hassoon | well never mind anyway |
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| 14:02.45 | jelly-home | ,v caja-gksu |
| 14:02.46 | judd | Package: caja-gksu on i386 -- sid: 1.8.0-1 |
| 14:02.56 | hassoon | petern_: well here: http://paste.debian.net/100166/ |
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| 14:04.11 | petern_ | hassoon, see, it even tells you what is missing. |
| 14:04.16 | hassoon | ah that 'libcurl3' thingy... |
| 14:04.22 | hassoon | petern_: yes, true |
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| 14:05.41 | hassoon | laughs at himself |
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| 14:08.24 | jelly-home | hassoon: typically you run "apt-get -f install" after that |
| 14:08.42 | jelly-home | then apt tries to resolve missing dependencies, if it can |
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| 14:10.50 | superlinux-hp | hello. there is someone named aboomar (c5221b48@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.34.27.72), he is banned from #debian |
| 14:10.59 | superlinux-hp | he wants to join |
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| 14:11.44 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: because he was spamming, end of discussion |
| 14:12.32 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, no.. his intentions were positive. he wanted some help. seriously. |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: ddi you click his link? what did it say? |
| 14:12.46 | superlinux-hp | but if you don't want to.. no problem. |
| 14:13.00 | superlinux-hp | i'll see |
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| 14:13.36 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, he has a DBus problem |
| 14:13.45 | superlinux-hp | it was a pastebin thingy |
| 14:13.55 | abrotman | It redirected me to a money-click site |
| 14:13.58 | superlinux-hp | but your bot dislikes that service |
| 14:14.12 | abrotman | bot? |
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| 14:14.27 | superlinux-hp | I though there is an autoban here on spam |
| 14:14.38 | superlinux-hp | *thought |
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| 14:14.58 | abrotman | no, i opened the link, My browser was redirected to a click/pay site |
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| 14:15.14 | superlinux-hp | me, did not! |
| 14:15.16 | superlinux-hp | ☺ |
| 14:15.25 | abrotman | the ban should go away in a minute or two |
| 14:15.27 | superlinux-hp | it looks like your area is working as such |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | my area is working eh? |
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| 14:15.39 | superlinux-hp | i'll tell him |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | and he should use paste.debian.net .. not a site that breaks if you don't have a full browser |
| 14:16.08 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, you know how ads work based on geoIP |
| 14:16.33 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, i agree. of course. |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: It *breaks* using a text-based browser .. I never saw his paste, just crap to click and make money |
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| 14:16.49 | abrotman | Not sure why you're arguing with me |
| 14:16.53 | superlinux-hp | Ah! |
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| 14:17.07 | abrotman | his ban is lifted |
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| 14:17.50 | hassoon | jelly-home: ic |
| 14:18.25 | superlinux-hp | I am not arguing at all. I am just guessing how the site works at your side. anyways.. never mind. |
| 14:18.34 | abrotman | aboomar: Please use paste.debian.net, your paste site redirected my text browser to a spammy looking site. I apologize |
| 14:19.11 | hassoon | so a 'dependency' is as it is languistically? something that the package in-question needs so it gets installed? |
| 14:19.15 | aboomar | abrotman ok |
| 14:19.58 | themill | hassoon: yes |
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| 14:20.45 | themill | hassoon: for reference: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 14:23.45 | aboomar | http://paste.debian.net/100177/ |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | aboomar: thank you |
| 14:24.56 | themill | aboomar: you probably shouldn't really be trying to run a file manager as root |
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| 14:25.35 | themill | aboomar: and if you really want to do so, you run it using gksu as the logged in user |
| 14:25.48 | jelly-home | ,i caja-gksu --release=sid |
| 14:25.49 | judd | Package caja-gksu (x11, optional) in sid/i386: privilege granting extension for caja using gksu. Version: 1.8.0-1; Size: 6.7k; Installed: 20k; Homepage: http://www.mate-desktop.org/ |
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| 14:27.08 | aboomar | i use debian jessie 64x mate |
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| 14:27.36 | jstoone | with php-fpm do I have to create the [name].socket that it will try to use or will it do that automatically? |
| 14:27.49 | aboomar | i want use it with out gksu? |
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| 14:28.14 | aboomar | #caja |
| 14:28.21 | jelly-home | aboomar: you'll have to wait until the updated package comes to jessie, then install that caja-gksu thing, I guess |
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| 14:28.45 | jelly-home | it's only in unstable right now |
| 14:29.22 | themill | there's no point in using gksu after you've already used su. You've already lost access to the dbus and mit-magic-cookies by then |
| 14:29.52 | Brigo | hi, suddenly system cant mount usb sticks with "no authorized to perform operation" error. I try to search in gogle and follow some guides, but no look, any clues? |
| 14:30.14 | jelly-home | ha, I completely missed that |
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| 14:30.28 | thnee | how come `sudo gem list --local` and `gem list --local` shows different results? for some reason I have ruby1.9.1 and ruby1.9.3 installed, I'm guessing when I run gem it uses a different version? |
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| 14:32.20 | teraflops | Brigo: systemd? or you are in stable? |
| 14:33.04 | Brigo | mmm. no, i should ask in debian-next, i see :-/ i am with systemd in jessy. |
| 14:33.27 | aboomar | jelly-home thank you |
| 14:35.05 | teraflops | Brigo: is installed libpam-systemd? |
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| 14:35.42 | Brigo | terabit, yes, it is. |
| 14:35.45 | aboomar | abrotman don't banned me again ^_^ |
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| 14:39.37 | thieh | Question: on the process of setting a debian box for my mom, I think I will need to set up some form of auto update without user interaction. Where so I find info on setting that up? |
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| 14:47.22 | MrFrood | thieh: see https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 14:47.49 | thnee | how can I make `gem` install using `gem1.9.3` so gems become available normally? `update-alternatives --config gem` says "There is only one alternative" |
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| 14:48.03 | becker_11 | Cound someone assist me please with mounting an lvm volume on a debian stable distro? I've installed lvm2, loaded the correct modules, activate the group, created a mount point but it's failing at the mount command |
| 14:48.07 | becker_11 | Do I need to mount the whole group? As that contains root, swap & home. I was only trying to access home |
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| 14:48.36 | frostschutz | becker_11, is there a filesystem on the volume? file -s -L /dev/vg/lv |
| 14:48.47 | becker_11 | frostschutz: I'll check |
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| 14:50.11 | becker_11 | frostschutz: I get a ton of strength = lines |
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| 14:52.04 | becker_11 | zh1: I appreciate the link but I'd rather you post it to channel so everyone can benifit |
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| 14:55.25 | becker_11 | frostschutz: lvdisplay /dev/volgroup01 gives me write access: read/write and status available |
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| 14:57.29 | becker_11 | I'm in. luckily I worked it out for myself huh |
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| 15:02.57 | teraflops | 254 |
| 15:03.07 | teraflops | sorry |
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| 15:08.07 | geigij | hwo do I limit the connection speed of programs like clive that obviously don't support such features by default? |
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| 15:09.53 | hassoon | themill: alright thanks |
| 15:10.29 | thieh | Question: how do I configure a debian box so when a command requires root it will complain about needing root instead of saying command not found when not running as root? |
| 15:11.01 | Walex | thieh: that's not a good question, it is indeed an evil question. |
| 15:11.11 | thieh | Walex: how so? |
| 15:11.28 | Walex | thieh: as to "not good" define "requiring root" ;-). |
| 15:12.32 | geigij | Walex: ?? |
| 15:13.09 | Walex | geigij: thieh: how do you in advance whether a command will be "requiring root"? |
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| 15:13.33 | FlowRiser | thieh: add your user to the sudo group and restart |
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| 15:13.55 | FlowRiser | adduser <name> sudo |
| 15:13.56 | thieh | FlowRiser: I am in sudo group |
| 15:14.29 | FlowRiser | thieh: did you restart? |
| 15:15.13 | thieh | things like update-rc.d needs sudo power and if I run it as non-root it says not found somehow; and I added myself to sudo @ install (no password for root; not sure iof I need to re-add) |
| 15:15.15 | geigij | Walex, thieh: one way would be to add /sbin to a user's PATH |
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| 15:15.59 | thieh | geigij: ah. that should explain it. thanks |
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| 15:16.42 | FlowRiser | thieh: no password for root does not mean every user is in sudo, it just means root has no password (which is bad!) |
| 15:17.21 | Peace- | guys i have a problem i tried this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85374/loadkeys-gives-permission-denied-for-normal-user |
| 15:17.22 | thieh | FlowRiser: I thought no password for root @ install they will disable the root account and the first user will be added to sudo, if I read the screen correctly |
| 15:17.25 | Walex | thieh: that's not quite right. whether a command like 'update-rc.d' require 'root' power depends on a lot of factors, e.g. the permissions of the relevant files. |
| 15:18.21 | Walex | thieh: so it is not that easy to know in advanced whether a command requires 'root' power. Consider 'rm /etc/passwd': that usually requires 'root' power, but most uses of 'rm' don't. |
| 15:18.44 | Peace- | but then when i try loadkeys fr it doesn't work |
| 15:18.49 | Peace- | from normal user |
| 15:18.53 | Peace- | i checked |
| 15:18.59 | thieh | Walex: but in that case it will complain permission denied, as opposed to command not found? |
| 15:19.34 | Walex | thieh: sure, but then you asked your question worded in an "inefficient" way. |
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| 15:20.01 | thieh | ah. my bad on that part then |
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| 15:20.38 | Walex | thieh: perhaps you want to ask "if I run a command where the executable is not on the current "$PATH" how do I get told that it is installed but not on the current "$PATH"? |
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| 15:21.54 | Walex | thieh: because there are many commands on '/sbin' and '/usr/sbin' that do not always equire 'root' power, and viceversa many commands in other directories that in some cases do require 'root' power. |
| 15:21.56 | Brigo | Hi, i just upgrade squeezy --> wheezy, and after reboot, i cant automount usb sticks. I can mount them with pmount, but mant cant do it. Any clues here? |
| 15:23.16 | Walex | thieh: so if your problem is with not finding commands in '/sbin' and '/usr/sbin' that is not necessarily related to 'root' power. |
| 15:23.59 | thieh | Walex: a lot of other distros don't have such issues so I have no idea whether it is sbin or some other things |
| 15:24.00 | Walex | Brigo: that's usually done either by 'udev' or by rthe desktop environment's daemons, so check the logs for related information. |
| 15:24.44 | Brigo | i will see, thanks. |
| 15:25.18 | Walex | thieh: virtually all other distros have exactly that same issue. Splitting commands between '/usr/sbin' and '/usr/bin' is nearly universal, as well as putting by default only '/usr/bin' in for non-'root' users. |
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| 15:26.14 | Walex | thieh: if the question you wanted to ask is related to "$PATH" rather than 'root' power, there are good answers. |
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| 15:26.58 | Walex | thieh: one is simply to add the 'sbin' directories to the default path for non-'root' users. In that case you don't however get told anything, the command is available to any user. |
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| 15:27.30 | Walex | thieh: if you really want to be told about commands that are installed but not on the current "$PATH", then there are several approaches. |
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| 15:35.18 | micros | does anyone know of a tool or set of tools to be able to configure the wireless interface with a web page over an adhoc wireless network? -- no keyboard after the initial service installation... i have seen some neat smartphone apps for this, but would prefer http. thoughts? |
| 15:36.27 | micros | i am playing with wedmin now, but i dont know if i can customize the pages and only show one page of the entire set. - networking. |
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| 15:38.06 | ikonia | micros: what distro are you actually using |
| 15:38.40 | micros | raspbian |
| 15:38.53 | ikonia | ok, so the raspbian channel is where you need to be |
| 15:38.55 | ikonia | not #ubuntu and #debian |
| 15:40.00 | micros | its more of a general knowledge question though, right? |
| 15:40.03 | micros | linux |
| 15:40.18 | micros | want to feel out the entire field for options |
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| 15:40.48 | micros | ikonia - moving the discussion to raspbian |
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| 15:47.28 | lucido | how can I fix noip: Creating a read-write copy of the noip2 configuration...cp: cannot stat `/var/lib/noip2/noip2.conf': No such file or directory |
| 15:47.28 | lucido | failed (/var/lib/noip2/noip2.conf). |
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| 15:49.12 | smira | Hi! I've noticed that squeeze main repository and security squeeze updates/main contain exactly the same package ikiwiki_3.20100815.9_all with a bit different files for them (checksum/size, the same name). I thought that it's something that shouldn't be possible in Debian |
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| 15:51.05 | lucido | where can I get noip2 client |
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| 15:54.32 | wols_ | ,v ikiwiki |
| 15:54.34 | judd | Package: ikiwiki on i386 -- squeeze: 3.20100815.9; squeeze-security: 3.20100815.9; squeeze-backports: 3.20120629~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.20120629; wheezy-backports: 3.20130904.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.20140227; sid: 3.20140227 |
| 15:54.46 | wols_ | smira: it's a security update which is why it's very much possible and needed |
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| 15:55.43 | zh1 | lucido http://www.noip.com/download?page=linux |
| 15:55.45 | smira | yes, I understand that it's security update... but both packages are the same version and with different files... so apt might get confused |
| 15:57.05 | wols_ | smira: apt-cache policy and you will see |
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| 16:14.40 | esto | is possible to install debian stable in btrfs ? |
| 16:14.45 | esto | as root? |
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| 16:19.55 | hassoon | isn't "plasma-netbook" package something related to kde and the graphics beauty? |
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| 16:22.43 | mtn | hassoon: http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:22.59 | smira | wols_: according to https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat: Duplicate Packages sections "joint main+supplement repository" should not contain duplicate packages with different content |
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| 16:23.27 | wols_ | smira: please run apt-cache policy ikiwiki and show us the result |
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| 16:28.45 | mdim | can someone help with setting up a network bridge? I don't know if I should be asking somewhere else, but it is on a Debian system. So, I have a router that is a DHCP server. Then I have a host machine that gets an IP address from the dhcp server. The host machine runs a virtual machine in it, and I'd like for this virtual machine to get an IP address from the dhcp server as well, and not from the host machine. How to achieve that? |
| 16:29.30 | mdim | I know I should set up something in /etc/network/interfaces, but not sure what exactly |
| 16:29.40 | wols_ | mdim: what VM software? |
| 16:29.50 | mdim | wols_: qemu+kvm |
| 16:29.57 | mdim | and then libvirt on top of that |
| 16:30.46 | mdim | now I have an interface on the host machine called br0, and it has an IP address that eth0 used to have |
| 16:30.49 | wols_ | mdim: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking from what I remember about interfaces, you need to write a post-up.d script for the bridge since it doesn't do it otherwise (no interfaces commands for it |
| 16:31.54 | mdim | this is what I have on the host machine in /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/100285/ |
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| 16:32.18 | mdim | wols_: thx, I'm reading that... |
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| 16:32.42 | wols_ | mdim: you need 2 interfaces for a bridge to work. just eth0 isn't cutting it :) |
| 16:32.46 | wols_ | hence: _bridge_ |
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| 16:35.35 | mdim | wols_: I know. I am just surprized that eth0 doesn't have an IP address anymore |
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| 16:36.54 | petern_ | mdim, yeah, that's how it works. |
| 16:37.19 | petern_ | eth0 is part of the bridge, it doesn't need another IP address. |
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| 16:40.39 | tharkun | I've been using midori for quite sometime since it was a light and "fast" web browser. It began crashing quite a lot lately. I did some research and found it is nearly abandoned. Any sugestions on a stable replacement? |
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| 16:47.52 | smira | wols_: this is not question from user, I'm a developer of aptly (http://www.aptly.info/), and this thing with ikiwiki breaks the assumptions of aptly. It's the first such thing I've discovered |
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| 16:52.58 | xeno | Any reason why there aren't simple packages chef-client and chef-server on Debian? |
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| 16:58.53 | mdim | thx wols_ and petern_, it works! |
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| 17:17.07 | asturel | hey, anyone can suggest a good dropbox cli client ? |
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| 17:18.35 | asturel | ah, why isnt the dropbox official package in the repo? |
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| 17:18.51 | average | asturel: why not use straight ftp.. |
| 17:19.11 | average | asturel: dropbox is commercial and produces vendor lock-in |
| 17:19.12 | Jiraffe_ | What does this error mean? bit.ly/1oB5crX ? |
| 17:19.21 | asturel | ah |
| 17:19.26 | asturel | there isnt alternative cli only client? |
| 17:19.33 | asturel | i just want to sync |
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| 17:19.44 | average | asturel: why use dropbox and how is this a Debian support question? |
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| 17:20.43 | asturel | well i want to use it under debian?:D |
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| 17:28.23 | zykotick9 | average: i'm not sure which bothers me more? asking about dropbox, or a suggestion to use ftp ;) |
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| 17:29.05 | asturel | zykotick9 :D |
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| 17:29.51 | GJdan | to be fair there are situations where it might not be worth the effort to not use dropbox, for example if you have colleagues who insist on using it to share files for work *cough* |
| 17:30.06 | average | I will enforce my Point of view |
| 17:30.14 | average | asturel: you are offtopic in this channel but I won't be a jackass |
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| 17:30.21 | average | Dropbox has a CLI interface described here http://www.dropboxwiki.com/tips-and-tricks/using-the-official-dropbox-command-line-interface-cli#Installation |
| 17:30.26 | average | this is the official CLI interface |
| 17:30.44 | GJdan | and also I've never tried this, but it seems to be a dropbox cli tool https://linux.dropbox.com/packages/dropbox.py |
| 17:31.01 | GJdan | oh cool |
| 17:31.01 | asturel | average well i having problem installing it under debian |
| 17:31.05 | asturel | since i dont need/have X |
| 17:31.20 | asturel | so i wouldnt not install those dependencies |
| 17:31.29 | average | asturel: you have told us exactly zero about your problems installing on debian, you haven't provided a stacktrace or a log or anything showing what problems you have with it |
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| 17:33.38 | SixtyFold | anyone know a very user friendly form of RDP for linux either linux to linux or windows to linux or even osx to linux? |
| 17:33.46 | average | however, things be as they may, I don't advocate the use of commercial software for such a simple purpose as a remote filestore, in particular Dropbox which is closed source, and there is no clarity in what exactly it does when it runs on your machines. and there are no guarantees as to exactly what happens with your data. But now I'm going offtopic, so I'll stop here |
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| 17:36.55 | average | zykotick9: I hope you are not bothered anymore, as I've given him directions to a Dropbox CLI |
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| 17:38.42 | average | 20:18 < asturel> ah, why isnt the dropbox official package in the repo? |
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| 17:40.36 | average | now to address this. where asturel asks why there's no official dropbox package |
| 17:41.05 | average | asturel: you are free to package it. here is the Debian Maintainer's Guide https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 17:43.02 | asturel | average i asked because there are debian package on their site |
| 17:43.04 | asturel | just not in the repo |
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| 17:45.21 | jelly-home | asturel: you do realize debian kind of contains just free software |
| 17:45.39 | asturel | well its free in some way :D |
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| 17:45.49 | jelly-home | !DFSG |
| 17:45.49 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 17:45.55 | asturel | but ok i get it |
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| 17:48.02 | average | asturel: I cannot confirm that dropbox.py is part of any Debian package offered on Dropbox's website |
| 17:48.15 | asturel | i talked about the official client |
| 17:48.31 | average | asturel: yes, that is the official CLI client, dropbox.py |
| 17:48.34 | asturel | the dropbox.py cli interface what u linked its dependson that |
| 17:49.03 | asturel | This article assumes you have already installed Dropbox as per the instructions here. |
| 17:49.05 | average | and dropbox.py(the official Dropbox CLI client) is not provided by any Debian packages provided on Dropbox's website |
| 17:49.49 | average | I'm pretty sure your questions have been covered. You've also been pointed to a way of packaging it. |
| 17:50.03 | asturel | well its already syncing |
| 17:50.16 | asturel | i force installed their official .deb package |
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| 17:50.23 | average | ok |
| 17:50.33 | asturel | and it installed the daemon too what i needed |
| 17:53.35 | zykotick9 | default web browser / (possibly) Qt related -- i have a Qt based application, that is opening links in iceweasel, but my default browser in alternative "update-alternative --config x-www-browser" is set to something else. using "xdg-open foo.html" opens correctly, in the non-iceweasel browser - yet this Qt app continues using iceweasel. i don't have KDE installed! any suggestions on places to look? |
| 17:54.16 | average | zykotick9: what is the Qt app in question ? can you provide a link to it ? |
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| 17:54.53 | zykotick9 | average: it's pumpa, which i <SSB> from sid. i've already reached out the the developer, and they tell me, it's not hardcoded to firefox/iceweasel. |
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| 17:57.41 | average | zykotick9: find /etc/alternatives/ -type l | perl -MCwd=abs_path -ne 'chomp; print "$_ => ".abs_path($_)."\n";' | grep iceweasel |
| 17:57.54 | average | zykotick9: this gives me multiple alternatives where iceweasel is mentioned |
| 17:58.12 | average | zykotick9: gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser stand out |
| 17:58.22 | average | zykotick9: perhaps gnome-www-browser is the one you will need to change |
| 17:59.15 | zykotick9 | average: ;) you might be only something! sure enough, gnome-www-browser IS set to iceweasel! off to test ;) |
| 17:59.16 | average | zykotick9: since you said above you've already covered x-www-browser |
| 17:59.23 | average | :) |
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| 17:59.57 | zykotick9 | lol, only one alternative for gnome-www-browser. "Nothing to configure". |
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| 18:00.23 | zykotick9 | i guess gnome doesn't like midori. |
| 18:00.33 | zykotick9 | or uzbl ;) |
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| 18:09.46 | FaTony | hi, what packages do I need to transfer files using MTP? |
| 18:10.04 | zykotick9 | https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser doesn't have any suggestion for my use case either :( |
| 18:10.12 | phogg | FaTony: probably mtp-tools |
| 18:10.13 | centrx | FaTony, gmtp seems to work well |
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| 18:11.05 | Psychon4ut | Hi guys is there any alternative to getting the changelog of debian packages? Because http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.13.10-1_changelog seems to be broken |
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| 18:12.27 | FaTony | centrx, ty |
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| 18:16.11 | afidegnum | hi, please i am still in the mess, can you pls give a hand? |
| 18:16.30 | afidegnum | I am trying to install maraidb 10.0 into debian squeeze and I am facing this error E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mariadb-server-10.0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 18:16.54 | centrx | Psychon4ut, If a linux kernel package is installed on your machine, the changelog is in /usr/share/doc/<package name>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 18:17.19 | centrx | afidegnum, Where did you get this package? |
| 18:17.59 | afidegnum | centrx: here is where I got the package. https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=webafrica |
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| 18:19.47 | centrx | afidegnum, Did you read the apt.conf manpage under Immediate Configure? |
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| 18:20.09 | afidegnum | centrx: where is that plese? |
| 18:20.13 | centrx | afidegnum, If I wanted to install mariadb, I would upgrade to wheezy and source-backport the package from testing/unstable |
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| 18:20.16 | centrx | afidegnum, man apt.conf |
| 18:20.21 | afidegnum | I have add the keys and the repo into |
| 18:20.37 | afidegnum | centrx: I have done apt-get upgrade |
| 18:20.42 | afidegnum | as well as apt-get install -f |
| 18:20.53 | afidegnum | I also ran an apt-get autoremove |
| 18:20.57 | afidegnum | to clear out unused package |
| 18:21.20 | centrx | afidegnum, For some reason the package is failing to install. It points to APT::Immediate-Configure as the cause |
| 18:21.29 | afidegnum | using apt-get install mariadb-server -O APT::Immediate-Configure=0 also didn't solve the issue |
| 18:21.41 | centrx | afidegnum, Generally, it is better to use Debian packages from the Debian repository |
| 18:22.31 | phogg | I can't imagine what mariadb is hitting an immediate configure problem. It's not an essential package. |
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| 18:23.02 | centrx | afidegnum, What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? Is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 18:23.28 | centrx | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure |
| 18:23.38 | afidegnum | should I paste it? |
| 18:24.17 | centrx | afidegnum, paste.debian.net |
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| 18:25.51 | afidegnum | centrx: what's the way to output the content of the file? |
| 18:25.54 | afidegnum | currently using nano |
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| 18:26.29 | phogg | afidegnum: you want to do what exactly? |
| 18:26.51 | afidegnum | centrx: wanted to know the content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:27.00 | centrx | afidegnum, Use copy and paste with the GUI, or install the command-line tool pastebinit |
| 18:27.08 | zykotick9 | average: it WAS gnome-www-browser, used "update-alternative --install ..." to add midori, and it's working now. Thanks for the hint - it was the key to the issue. |
| 18:27.28 | afidegnum | centrx: apt-get install pastebinit ? |
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| 18:27.32 | centrx | right |
| 18:28.26 | Faisal | hi there, got a question please. i want to install gentoo linux on an armv7 based machine. the arm handbook install part deals with a netwinder, and its a bit confusing ? has anyone here tried to do the same ? |
| 18:28.42 | Faisal | its a cubietruck not a netwinder |
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| 18:30.18 | zykotick9 | Faisal: i'm 99% sure gentoo has it's own irc channel... |
| 18:30.33 | Faisal | zykotick9: oh sorry |
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| 18:33.17 | hugg | Hello, I'm having trouble setting the correct terminfo for tmux. |
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| 18:34.08 | zykotick9 | hugg: i'd suggest "screen-256color" |
| 18:34.39 | hugg | zykotick9: I've had that, but zsh completition comes through with messed up font instead of background colours. |
| 18:35.07 | zykotick9 | hugg: i've never used zsh, perhaps try asking in the #tmux channel? |
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| 18:35.21 | hugg | zykotick9: I've been trying there for nearly 24h. It's dead. |
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| 18:36.48 | zykotick9 | hugg: sidenote, you _might_ have better luck asking during the week (vs weekend) and during North American business hours. BUT, YMMV. hey, maybe someone here will come to the rescue? best of luck. |
| 18:37.28 | average | zykotick9: :) |
| 18:37.50 | hugg | zykotick9: appreciate it. |
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| 18:37.57 | zykotick9 | average: thanks again. |
| 18:38.15 | average | np |
| 18:38.23 | wols_ | zykotick9: how does one check how many colors are available? |
| 18:39.04 | zykotick9 | wols_: i used to know, but sorry i forget. i believe i actually used some random script to verify the 256 colour part... sorry. |
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| 18:42.20 | wols_ | zykotick9: do you ever notice the 240 additional colors? and why can't I have 16M colors? |
| 18:42.31 | zykotick9 | wols_: just checked my notes, not there. |
| 18:43.28 | zykotick9 | wols_: that script showed a bunch of pretty colours - ONLY time i EVER noticed anything. re 16M colours, i have no idea... but really on a terminal, does it matter ;) |
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| 18:44.38 | wols_ | paid for 16M colors so he damn wants 16M. "AMD will not cheat me!" |
| 18:45.51 | zykotick9 | wols_: i do however have the script! http://paste.debian.net/100299/ |
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| 18:46.15 | zykotick9 | wols_: use at your own risk! i certainly didn't write it. |
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| 18:48.08 | wols_ | already too late: I ran it. and it looks "screen" only gives me 8 colrs |
| 18:49.04 | zykotick9 | wols_: does "echo $TERM" return screen-256 < or whatever? |
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| 18:51.28 | wols_ | just screen. I checked before (never touched it either) |
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| 18:52.22 | zykotick9 | wols_: you're missing 15999992 colours, oh my ;) |
| 18:52.32 | wols_ | yes, I feel really deprived |
| 18:52.46 | wols_ | depraved too I guess |
| 18:53.26 | zykotick9 | wols_: you DO need to modify screen somehow to get that screen-256color to go from 8 to 256 |
| 18:53.37 | afidegnum | centrx: u there please? |
| 18:54.17 | afidegnum | please i am back with my issue over this error E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mariadb-server-10.0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 18:55.47 | wols_ | zykotick9: google tells me I need to set the TERM before I start tmux |
| 18:56.12 | zykotick9 | wols_: sounds logical |
| 18:56.43 | atannus | Anyone knows of a tool like ab that can read urls to test from a file? |
| 18:56.58 | wols_ | to test? |
| 18:57.04 | atannus | yes. |
| 18:57.12 | atannus | Well.. .ergh... I'm testing the db. |
| 18:57.15 | atannus | hides |
| 18:57.19 | zykotick9 | wols_: in my .tmux.conf i have the line: set-option -g default-terminal "screen-256color" |
| 18:57.33 | wols_ | atannus: maybe try again, this time in english please ;) |
| 18:57.39 | afidegnum | please any hand ? |
| 18:57.52 | wols_ | afidegnum: imho there is an error before that message |
| 18:57.55 | atannus | wols_, do you know what ab is? |
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| 18:58.33 | atannus | wols_, apache benchmark? If you do, my question should read clearly to you. |
| 18:58.38 | afidegnum | hmm... can you please help with a clue? |
| 18:59.50 | wols_ | afidegnum: the biggest clue is to go wo whoever packaged this mariadb |
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| 19:00.02 | petn-randall | afidegnum: And did you check the documentation it pointed you to? |
| 19:00.09 | wols_ | afidegnum: 2nd would be to paste the full output of it all to a pastebin |
| 19:00.37 | afidegnum | here is the distro site |
| 19:00.40 | afidegnum | https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=webafrica&distro=Debian |
| 19:00.53 | wols_ | afidegnum: then I suggest you ask mariadb.com folks about their package |
| 19:01.10 | wols_ | if you are unable to use a pastebin |
| 19:01.26 | afidegnum | I asked them they also seems not to help |
| 19:01.34 | afidegnum | I did apt-get upgrade too and nothing helped out |
| 19:01.36 | hugg | zykotick9: :) Solved my terminfo nightmares: https://github.com/guns/haus/blob/master/share/terminfo/tmux-256color |
| 19:02.36 | zykotick9 | hugg: NICE. |
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| 19:04.30 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I install device overlays on an ARM device. |
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| 19:08.27 | afidegnum | please, I am still stuck, can any1 please give a hand? |
| 19:09.17 | wols_ | afidegnum: can you do what you've been asked? |
| 19:09.41 | wols_ | and you've been asked to do several things. afaik you haven't done any of them yet |
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| 19:10.19 | afidegnum | well I am just told to download the key, add the repo and perform the installation |
| 19:10.27 | afidegnum | that's what I have been doing |
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| 19:10.49 | wols_ | afidegnum: told by who? anyone in #debian? |
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| 19:11.58 | afidegnum | maybe I didn't get the previous message, can you please help reminding them |
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| 19:14.49 | wols_ | asking a question and then quitting :( presunday again |
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| 19:15.13 | afidegnum | hello, pls i have been disconnected again |
| 19:15.14 | lucido | why is the default umask 022? |
| 19:15.24 | afidegnum | can you please post the old message? wols_ ? |
| 19:15.29 | wols_ | afidegnum: the command that gives you your error and its full output |
| 19:15.38 | zykotick9 | wols_: everyday is sunday ;) <- isn't that in one of the factoids? |
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| 19:16.38 | wols_ | it is, but I'm still an optimist |
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| 19:17.18 | zykotick9 | lucido: seems like a "sane" default to me. what would you suggest? |
| 19:17.49 | lucido | zykotick9, 027 |
| 19:18.19 | jetscreamer | tasksel is giving me gnome? sheesh |
| 19:19.37 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: what did you expect? why use tasksel? |
| 19:19.56 | jetscreamer | installing, got lazy |
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| 19:21.09 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer: well, i believe the DE is configurable during install (i personally never bother, and just install my chosen environment after "base" install) |
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| 19:21.53 | jetscreamer | i usually do too... like i said, got lazy.. and it's too late to configure it they're almost all d/l'd |
| 19:22.01 | jetscreamer | ah well i can rip it out if i want |
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| 19:23.45 | wols_ | jetscreamer: each different debian install medium gives you a different DE. if the medium has nothing mentioned, it will be gnome3. if it has "lxde" in its filename it's lxde and so on |
| 19:24.37 | jetscreamer | just the default d/l didn't pay attentions cuz i usually de-select the desktop env... no biggie |
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| 19:25.20 | zykotick9 | wols_: i was actually refering to the netinst, you can select from the different DEs somehow - can't you? some "export=foo" or something? |
| 19:25.27 | wols_ | dpkg is out of date. "remove gnome" only references gnome2 |
| 19:25.27 | dpkg | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:25.45 | wols_ | zykotick9: no. there is only one task for "desktop" :) |
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| 19:26.35 | jetscreamer | i thought i remembered something like what zykotick9 is talking about |
| 19:26.39 | jetscreamer | from long ago |
| 19:26.44 | wols_ | tasksel --list-tasks it was, and then tasksel --list-packages |
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| 19:27.15 | jetscreamer | no idea i even used to remove tasksel when i cared |
| 19:27.26 | jetscreamer | got lazy |
| 19:27.56 | wols_ | and harddisks got big :) |
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| 19:28.15 | mtn | zykotick9: yes, using expert install you can choose alternate desktops |
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| 19:29.24 | zykotick9 | mtn: thanks - i thought so. |
| 19:29.32 | mtn | zykotick9: yw |
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| 19:30.07 | zykotick9 | mtn: i had been searching online, i _finally_ found the same info when i returned to the channel. |
| 19:30.20 | mtn | zykotick9: :) |
| 19:30.34 | jetscreamer | seems like an ide cable was keeping this box from booting.. changed it out and installing atm |
| 19:30.48 | jetscreamer | s/this/that/ |
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| 19:31.12 | wols_ | I see you are a connoiseur of old hardware too :) |
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| 19:32.19 | jetscreamer | well i'm more like a packrat... still have my 10mb rll drive, got rid of the AT though |
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| 19:32.38 | jetscreamer | got tired of moving it from house to house over the years |
| 19:32.57 | Phinitris | Hey i have one question regarding to preseeding :) |
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| 19:33.33 | Phinitris | Is there a way to dont allocate alll the space on a Hard Disk? |
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| 19:40.49 | cap3lla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.55 | cap3lla | there is no package "xcp-xapi" in Debian Jessie. Which options do I have now? I want to administer my Xen hypervisor and my VMs on this Debian Jessie machine. Any help appreciated |
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| 19:45.11 | jmcnaught | cap3lla: why don't you use Wheezy? |
| 19:45.37 | everamzah | or go to #debian-next |
| 19:46.46 | cap3lla | jmcnaught: there are reasons,sorry. Jessie "has" to be ... how could I get "XenOrchestra", "Openxenmanager" or "Xencenter" connected to a Xen 4.2 hypervisor running on Debian Jessie? |
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| 19:47.31 | cap3lla | any help really appreciated |
| 19:47.44 | everamzah | #debian-next is where support for jessie is located, i believe. |
| 19:48.00 | jmcnaught | cap3lla: this channel is for supporting debian stable. Also using Testing is not recommended for production servers. Finally it seems that xen-api has been removed post-Wheezy: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740517 |
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| 19:52.42 | cap3lla | jmcnaught: I never said that it's a production server, but I understand your concerning. Thanks for clarifying that and thank for the link. So, maybe you can tell me which GUI I could use to my Xen hypervisor which is installed in Jessie? Is there any GUI available which I could use without the need of XAPI ? |
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| 19:54.03 | jmcnaught | cap3lla: well personally I don't use Xen, I use KVM and manage it through libvirt (and virt-manager as a GUI). libvirt can also manages Xen hypervisor, but KVM is better supported. |
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| 19:57.30 | Phinitris | Is there a way to do not allocate the whole Hard Disk during preseed?` |
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| 19:58.55 | cap3lla | jmcnaught: which package is that in Jessie? I'd like to install and try it. |
| 19:59.43 | cap3lla | "libvirt" and "libvirt-manager" is not a valid package-name in Jessie. There are some other "libvirt*" similar packages, but I'm not sure which is the right one for me |
| 19:59.49 | jmcnaught | cap3lla: sorry not sure, like i said this is the debian stable channel. try asking in #debian-next |
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| 20:00.28 | jmcnaught | cap3lla: hint: apt-cache search libvirt|sort|less |
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| 20:01.27 | jetscreamer | hey what does ~n mean in this dpkg factoid: |
| 20:01.30 | alphis | ok guys. is there any reason why vim on debian seems like its vi on linux kernel version 0.0.1 |
| 20:01.31 | jetscreamer | !purge gnome |
| 20:01.35 | jetscreamer | *? |
| 20:01.59 | alphis | in insertmode when i hit backspace i expect it to go up to the previous line if im at the beginning of the line when i hit backspace |
| 20:02.01 | jetscreamer | ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 et al |
| 20:02.02 | alphis | wtf |
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| 20:02.35 | jmcnaught | alphis: only vim-tiny is installed by default. if you install the vim package you'll get the vim you're used to |
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| 20:03.08 | cap3lla | jmcnaught: I cannot join to debian-next, nothing happens? |
| 20:03.21 | wols_ | cap3lla: different network. irc.oftc.net |
| 20:03.32 | cap3lla | oh ok, thanks wols_ |
| 20:03.48 | alphis | jmcnaught: which vim package should i install? i see vim-common and a couple othjers |
| 20:03.51 | alphis | others* |
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| 20:04.26 | jmcnaught | alphis: i just install "vim" but i guess check the descriptions of the others to see if they interest you |
| 20:04.35 | wols_ | man aptitude /~ntext "packages that contain 'text'" |
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| 20:06.12 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 20:06.12 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i haven't seen 'mwilson' |
| 20:06.58 | alphis | vim-common and vim-runtime dont sound terribly clearly better than tiny but ill try "common" |
| 20:07.22 | alphis | wait i already have common installed... |
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| 20:08.22 | jmcnaught | alphis: apt-get install vim |
| 20:08.50 | socomm | apt-get install vim-nox |
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| 20:10.33 | geigij | socomm: why vim-nox? Isn't vim a cmd line editor anyway? |
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| 20:11.47 | fcp13 | hia, i've used the ktorrent to download a torrent iso, but at moment when i start the debian after the login appears a popup authentication dialog to input login and password with url of that torrent |
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| 20:12.16 | fcp13 | i delete the entry torrent at ktorrent but appears 5 in 5 minuts |
| 20:12.20 | socomm | fcp13: what is the 'the debian'? The Debian Installer? |
| 20:12.21 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
| 20:12.30 | alphis | wow vim-nox seemed to work |
| 20:12.34 | alphis | but it doesn't seem to like my plugins lol |
| 20:12.39 | fcp13 | debian jessie |
| 20:12.40 | fcp13 | sorry |
| 20:12.41 | jmcnaught | the difference between vim and vim-nox is that vim-nox includes support for python, perl etc. if you don't need those features the vim package is fine |
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| 20:13.08 | alphis | vim nox lets me backspace into the previous line |
| 20:13.11 | alphis | wihc i consider normal |
| 20:13.24 | alphis | does anyone know why in vim when i press TAB it inserts TAB+SPACE? |
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| 20:13.28 | alphis | its driving me insane |
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| 20:13.52 | socomm | alphis: that's a configuration issue, or misconfiguration issue -- however one looks at it |
| 20:13.53 | geigij | alphis: use emacs23-nox or so |
| 20:13.55 | socomm | alphis: /j #vim |
| 20:14.16 | alphis | i bet its one of the plugins |
| 20:14.17 | alphis | thanks guys |
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| 20:15.36 | krpt | how one does increase font size on gnome, in a global way ? |
| 20:15.48 | krpt | if possible |
| 20:15.55 | mtn | krpt: gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 20:16.09 | krpt | thx mtn |
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| 20:16.21 | mtn | krpt: yw |
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| 20:24.12 | afidegnum | hello, pls anyone familiar with this error from mysql ? ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'none' is not loaded |
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| 20:26.00 | mtn | afidegnum: google appears to have lots of links, even bug reports |
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| 20:26.20 | afidegnum | yes, but still can't find my way out, |
| 20:26.26 | afidegnum | I am working with mariadb |
| 20:26.46 | mtn | afidegnum: which version of debian? |
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| 20:27.02 | afidegnum | debian squeeze |
| 20:27.15 | mtn | afidegnum: mariadb is in squeeze? |
| 20:27.18 | afidegnum | I have installed mariadb, in fact it was an upgrade from mysql to maraidb |
| 20:27.20 | afidegnum | yes, |
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| 20:28.52 | mtn | afidegnum: according to the package db, mariadb is not in squeeze or wheezy |
| 20:29.18 | afidegnum | yes, but there was an installation configuration which made it work |
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| 20:29.34 | mtn | afidegnum: so, you are using a third party repo? |
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| 20:30.31 | afidegnum | yes, |
| 20:30.37 | afidegnum | but they are meant for squeeze |
| 20:30.48 | mtn | afidegnum: I doubt that is supported here, since it is not debian packages |
| 20:30.59 | afidegnum | it is |
| 20:31.17 | mtn | afidegnum: ok, so where did you get it, since squeeze does NOT have it in the repo? |
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| 20:34.59 | Peace- | guys .... i did this in /etc/sudoers %loadkeys ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/loadkeys |
| 20:35.13 | Peace- | my user it's in loadkeys groups |
| 20:35.16 | Peace- | but nothing to do |
| 20:35.30 | Peace- | i can't load loadkeys without sudo |
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| 20:39.29 | milezteg | Q: I need to setup a software RAID1 on a fresh machine. Zero experience doing this. Could anyone tell me if this is a decent guide: http://kudzia.eu/b/2013/04/installation-of-debian-wheezy-on-mdadm-raid1-gpt/ ? |
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| 20:41.15 | jmcnaught | milezteg: after a quick overview it looks decent enough. It basically shows the way I set up my software RAID the first time |
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| 20:41.39 | milezteg | hey thanks jmc, really appreciate your input |
| 20:41.45 | milezteg | will give it a sh0t |
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| 20:43.31 | jmcnaught | milezteg: another way of doing RAID1 is using LVM and using the raid1 or mirror volume type. it's a little more flexible this way. I highly recommend learning more about LVM |
| 20:43.54 | milezteg | oh :/ - okay thanks Googling that now |
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| 20:45.02 | jmcnaught | milezteg: not that there's anything wrong with doing it the way described in that guide, but it doesn't hurt to learn about alternatives. the more you know going into a task like this, the easier it will be to understand what's happening when things go wrong :) |
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| 20:45.32 | jetscreamer | how do i tell drm to go away in console |
| 20:45.41 | milezteg | ahhh LVM allows to change volume sizes later on... |
| 20:46.13 | jetscreamer | how do i blacklist it/disable it/make it go away: drm |
| 20:46.16 | milezteg | hmm thought I heard people mentioning to avoid LVM for a typical web server |
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| 20:46.58 | jetscreamer | i notice network-manager still borks the network out |
| 20:47.16 | jmcnaught | milezteg: that could be, but I'm not sure why. it has a lot of flexibility. you can have some volumes mirrored and some not. you can create CoW snapshots of volumes, move volumes around etc. |
| 20:47.40 | milezteg | hmmm I see |
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| 20:48.23 | jmcnaught | milezteg: my advice is if you already have a VM setup like virt-manager/KVM or virtualbox would be to create a VM with two disks and experiment with different approaches |
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| 20:56.46 | milezteg | jmc: thanks again. this is actually a dedicated machine, 64GB with 2x160GB SSDs. I'm going to try the standard mdadm + gpt approach, mostly becuae I cannot foresee needing to change volume sizes, and need the machine up asap. |
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| 21:02.16 | socomm | afidegnum: ask on #mariadb or #mysql |
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| 21:03.08 | afidegnum | mariadb is not responding |
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| 21:10.17 | dclarke | I am on old Debian 6.0.5 and am trying to install NVidia drivers. No matter what I do the nouveau module keeps being loaded. I blacklisted it in /etc/modprobe.d/ and I added rdblacklist=nouveau in /etc/default/grub and did a update-grub. The nouveau cockroach just won't die and go away. what is the secret ? |
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| 21:14.17 | Sysaxed | hello! I am using blueman to create a serial interface connection over bluetooth, this was working perfectly for a long time, but after a recent upgrade it broke. Now I get such errors: Failed to open serial port: /dev/rfcomm0: Device or resource busy . I am using debian unstable. How can I find what is causing this problem? |
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| 21:18.12 | jmcnaught | Sysaxed: definitely the first place to look would be in /var/log. This is exactly the reason many of us prefer to use Debian Stable (because random stuff like this doesn't break). You might need to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for help with Debian Unstable |
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| 21:21.20 | afidegnum | hello, pls I want to run apt-purge mysql, will it remove my databases as well? |
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| 21:23.27 | nell | i wanna encrypt my home dir |
| 21:23.38 | nell | is it best to just create new user with encrypted home dir |
| 21:23.40 | nell | and rsync data? |
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| 21:24.28 | Sysaxed | jmcnaught: thanks for your tips! It seems like there is a new version of blueman (1.23-git201403102151-1) which is probably what caused the problem. Perhaps installing earlier version can help. I will investigate, thanks! |
| 21:25.09 | markttew | is there a way to install to an USB or SD for i386? |
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| 21:27.35 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: sounds like you need to test what you're doing on another machine first. also make sure you have backups :) |
| 21:30.51 | jmcnaught | markttew: yes you can do that. If the USB stick for example is mounted during the installation, the debian installer will let you install to it. I have a portable debian on an encrypted USB stick that I did this way |
| 21:31.42 | rryoumaa | nell: you only want that one dir encrypted? |
| 21:31.47 | rryoumaa | i mean subtree |
| 21:32.23 | rryoumaa | in any case, you can copy your user out of the way, put something in its place, then carry on |
| 21:32.42 | nell | i want my home dir encrypted |
| 21:32.51 | nell | settings and configs and permissions preserved |
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| 21:34.22 | zykotick9 | nell: i'd stay away from "home dir encryption", LUKS and full disk encryption if you're looking for security YMMV. |
| 21:34.36 | nell | I'll do luks and FDE |
| 21:34.41 | nell | but i wanna migrate all my data to it |
| 21:34.42 | rryoumaa | nell: the arch wiki has good stuff for questions like this |
| 21:34.53 | rryoumaa | that is, where there are several options and you are not sure which one to do |
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| 21:35.22 | markttew | jmcnaught: so, with the regular install cd? and it will be booteable? no tweaks? |
| 21:35.37 | zykotick9 | nell: fyi, the debian installer offers Encrypted LVM, pretty painless - except for the potentially LONG time it takes to wipe the drive... |
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| 21:36.29 | nell | its a 1tb hdd |
| 21:36.35 | nell | i dont have time for that |
| 21:36.45 | zykotick9 | nell: i'd figure that will take a day or 2... |
| 21:37.10 | zykotick9 | nell: actually, probably longer... |
| 21:37.19 | frostschutz | you can skip it and then wipe free space in the encrypted filesystem |
| 21:37.27 | jmcnaught | markttew: from what I recall it was pretty straight forward using the regular installer iso. i don't remember doing anything particularly special. give it a try and if you have problems you could alway try here again :) |
| 21:37.33 | frostschutz | and with shred -n 1 it takes as long as it takes the disk to overwrite itself, certainly not days |
| 21:37.51 | nell | if I wanna do a fresh wheezy install |
| 21:38.02 | nell | how do I preserve my packages and configs? |
| 21:38.46 | zykotick9 | notes shortcuts and security probably don't mix... |
| 21:38.48 | markttew | jmcnaught: ohh well I'll try, thanks a lot! |
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| 21:45.42 | markttew | does the encrypt thing hurts the drive? I mean an SD or prendrive |
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| 21:46.54 | afidegnum | hi, I want to uninstall mysql completely |
| 21:46.59 | afidegnum | what's the command to use? |
| 21:47.14 | afidegnum | I have done apt-get purge mysql but it seems I still have error |
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| 21:49.37 | zykotick9 | markttew: well, it would certainly add read/writes... but i _really_ question how bad it is, the EEE 701s SSD I had lasted for years (i believe they're all still running) and they had multiple installs (w/ swap). but YES is the answer. |
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| 21:51.20 | frostschutz | markttew, not at all |
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| 21:51.51 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: are you still trying to get rid of it because it conflicts with mariadb? Maybe you need to look for a guide on replacing mysql with mariadb so you can make sure you're doing it properly. I'm sure MariaDB has documentation. Note that there are several packages for mysql depending on which parts you want to install. apt-cache search mysql | grep ^mysql |sort|less |
| 21:52.10 | afidegnum | jmcnaught: yes |
| 21:52.16 | jmcnaught | oops... the apt-cache command above ^ will show you a list of mysql packages |
| 21:52.17 | zykotick9 | frostschutz: "not at all" i'm not sure how you figure that... it IS writing to the drives |
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| 21:53.14 | frostschutz | zykotick9, encrypted or not, amount of data is the same. for SSD you should consider allowing trim, but that is more a performance consideration |
| 21:53.27 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: but seriously... you should try and find some instructions for replacing mysql with mariadb.. also maria isn't in squeeze or wheezy so you'll be using third party packages that won't be support here |
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| 21:53.48 | afidegnum | hmm.. trying |
| 21:54.19 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: certainly don't blindly start removing packages and adding third-party repos... unless you're doing all of this on a test machine |
| 21:54.27 | zykotick9 | frostschutz: flash media _does_ have a limited number of writes, wiping the drive, to put encryption on it, writing to the drive - thus using some of that "limited" writes |
| 21:54.40 | afidegnum | hmm.. this is a production server |
| 21:55.38 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: well then.. time to slow down and figure this out on a test server that replicates the production server as closely as possible. Sounds like a lot of work, but it's probably even more work to recover from a mistake that breaks your server |
| 21:56.09 | afidegnum | ok, |
| 21:56.10 | zykotick9 | frostschutz: sidenote, enabling trim isn't optimal for SSD either, it's better to manually run it at specific times (vs. having it always running) |
| 21:56.20 | zerick | afidegnum, which kind of conflict do you have, package or inner MySQL/MariaDB properties? |
| 21:56.53 | frostschutz | zykotick9, I do fstrim in a weekly cron |
| 21:57.12 | zykotick9 | frostschutz: that's the good startegy ;) |
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| 21:58.38 | afidegnum | zerick: ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'none' is not loaded |
| 21:58.48 | afidegnum | whenever I run mysql i m facing this |
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| 21:59.34 | zerick | afidegnum, is your my.cnf correctly set ? |
| 22:00.01 | zerick | haven't you modified it or something that *could* be misspelled? |
| 22:00.04 | afidegnum | yes, I believe I see nothing that look like none |
| 22:00.19 | afidegnum | i tried looking for InnoDB which seems not connekting |
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| 22:00.31 | zerick | maybe not like plugin, but some entry that depends on that |
| 22:00.41 | zerick | and, what do logs say? |
| 22:02.25 | afidegnum | where is that logs located please? |
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| 22:03.07 | zerick | /var/log/mysql/error.log |
| 22:03.53 | zerick | afidegnum, have you updated MySQL from 5.1 to 5.5 ? |
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| 22:04.40 | zerick | and, where comes MariaDB into this problem ? Sorry, I'm not up to date with your problem :) |
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| 22:07.10 | afidegnum | zerick: no it was installed straight away |
| 22:07.16 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 22:08.27 | zerick | afidegnum, well, that error comes merely because of version updates (structure of mysql tables that changed), what did you do? Is a new setup? |
| 22:08.57 | afidegnum | I just installed mariadb using this command env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -o OrderList::Score::Immediate=1000 install mariadb-server mysql-common |
| 22:09.19 | afidegnum | it seems to work at first, pefrectly |
| 22:09.29 | afidegnum | and later hangs with the aboveposted error |
| 22:09.46 | afidegnum | i am suspecting there should be either conflict or something else is running |
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| 22:10.07 | afidegnum | mariadb was working at for few minuts before hanging off |
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| 22:10.26 | azizLIGHTS | how do i turn off php service but not delete it |
| 22:10.36 | azizLIGHTS | i dont want it consuming my ram |
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| 22:11.08 | zerick | afidegnum, so, those come from MariaDB repos? |
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| 22:11.32 | afidegnum | I believe |
| 22:11.57 | afidegnum | but looking at my.cnf, there is no apparent error |
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| 22:12.11 | afidegnum | because my.cnf was set since mysql |
| 22:12.39 | zerick | afidegnum, wait, you replace MySQL with MariaDB ? |
| 22:12.50 | zerick | * replaced |
| 22:12.53 | afidegnum | yes |
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| 22:14.21 | zerick | afidegnum, the shortest way will be reinstalling MariaDB, unless on Debian MySQL and MariaDB config files seems to be quite similar, but, is something that you will have to discover by yourself |
| 22:14.22 | jetscreamer | how do i see what modules are loaded |
| 22:14.32 | zerick | jetscreamer, lsmod ? |
| 22:14.35 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 22:14.38 | jetscreamer | i forgot |
| 22:14.42 | zerick | np |
| 22:15.26 | afidegnum | hmm |
| 22:15.29 | afidegnum | still working out |
| 22:16.06 | zerick | afidegnum, which version of MariaDB are you using ? |
| 22:16.14 | afidegnum | 10.0 |
| 22:16.38 | zerick | well, that's your problem, MariaDB 10 is totally different from MySQL |
| 22:16.58 | zerick | up to 5.6 MariaDB and Mysql shared lot of things in common |
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| 22:17.14 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 22:17.43 | jetscreamer | well lessee if this works |
| 22:17.47 | zerick | and, AFAIK, MariaDB doesn't come as a Debian package (mainly), it comes from MariaDB repos and mirrors |
| 22:18.04 | zerick | have that pretty clear |
| 22:18.08 | jetscreamer | cra0p- |
| 22:18.34 | jmcnaught | afidegnum: since you're on a production server i recommend trying to back up everything right now so that further attempts to fix don't make things even worse. You might need to remove all the mariadb stuff you installed (and their repo) and reinstall the mysql packages the way they were. Next time you really should consider testing this on a different machine first |
| 22:18.46 | wols_ | zerick: it's in jessie and sid. 5.5 tho |
| 22:19.27 | zerick | not stable |
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| 22:19.39 | zerick | we talke about stable packages |
| 22:20.28 | zerick | afidegnum, yes, listen to jmcnaught |
| 22:20.34 | jetscreamer | yay. die nouveau drm die! |
| 22:21.08 | jetscreamer | made 0x317 in 1/4 of the screen |
| 22:22.03 | zerick | Ouch |
| 22:22.05 | zerick | :) |
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| 22:31.27 | markttew | thanks for all!! |
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| 23:34.01 | ryonaloli | does a debian netinstall do anything differently depending on the exact hardware used to install it? |
| 23:35.13 | ryonaloli | i have an old computer i'd like to install debian to (80 gb hdd), but it's CD drive is broken, and i really don't want to find out how to use the floppy drive to install debian indirectly. |
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| 23:36.15 | ryonaloli | so would it work to take out the hard drive and install debian to it using a different (but newer) computer, then put the hard drive back, or would the install be "custom tailored" towards the hardware that was used to install it |
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| 23:38.42 | centrx | ryonaloli, It would probably work fine, as long as the computers are both on the same architecture |
| 23:38.49 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: that'll probably work. when/if the installer asks you about the initrd pick generic. After switching the HDD back into the old computer as long as it boots you should be able to fix any problems afterwards |
| 23:38.56 | ryonaloli | well, one is 32 and one is 64 bit |
| 23:38.57 | centrx | ryonaloli, The kernel and udev would detect the hardware changes on boot |
| 23:40.19 | ryonaloli | is there any way to put the installer on the hdd somehow? |
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| 23:42.12 | centrx | ryonaloli, Maybe on its own partition |
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| 23:43.11 | ryonaloli | centrx: is there a way i could put it there using only floppies? |
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| 23:44.33 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: your first idea of doing the install on another computer than swapping the HDD is probably the easier than dealing with floppies. Or you could try: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 23:44.48 | centrx | ryonaloli, https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 23:46.23 | ryonaloli | centrx: what is this verysmall thing? |
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| 23:46.53 | ryonaloli | it doesn't seem to have any links to very small images or guide |
| 23:46.54 | ryonaloli | s/w 38 |
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| 23:49.04 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: other options: can old computer boot from USB? can you temporarily give old computer a CD drive to do the install? |
| 23:49.48 | ryonaloli | i tried to get it to boot from a USB, but no matter where i put it or whether i use a new or old USB stick, it doesn't work (even though "allow legacy USB" is enabled in the BIOS) |
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| 23:51.46 | arturoytal | hola |
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| 23:53.50 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: well if you're not up for trying something new like PXE network install, personally i would give your first idea a shot. If the old computer is 32bit just use a 32bit installer iso and it will probably work. I have removed an old HDD from a broken computer and put it in a new one before and it worked just fine |
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| 23:54.47 | ryonaloli | what about for putting the installer on a separate partition? i could boot from one of several floppy distros and install it with that |
| 23:55.59 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: sounds a little more complicated but propbably still doable. Not sure exactly how but the debian wiki has a page about preparing boot floppies for installation |
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| 23:57.47 | ryonaloli | i'll look into it |
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