| 00:00.01 | ryonaloli | hm |
| 00:00.49 | wils_ | Hello I have a problem installing debian on my new SSD hard drive, or the installtion is ok but when i try to boot nothing happends. Now i have installed on my "normal" hdd and it works fine... What can be the prioblem is there any settings i need to do |
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| 00:04.23 | mtn | wils_: is there a chance you installed grub to a drive that was not booted first when you installed to the ssd? |
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| 00:06.02 | ryonaloli | according to https://wiki.debian.org/BootFloppy, it tells me to download the bootusb-0.8.img, but the ftp link is 404ed |
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| 00:06.34 | wils_ | I installed grub yes |
| 00:06.57 | wils_ | i dont rly understand your question |
| 00:07.13 | wils_ | during the installation it asked if i wanted to install grub to the master record and i said yesd |
| 00:07.26 | mtn | wils_: sda probably boots first. where was grub installed? which is the ssd? |
| 00:07.36 | wils_ | sda is ssd |
| 00:07.47 | wils_ | i went into bootmeny and chose the ssd disk |
| 00:08.09 | mtn | wils_: ok, so where was grub installed when installed to the hdd? |
| 00:08.26 | wils_ | on sda i think |
| 00:08.59 | wils_ | i formatted my 1tb hdd before i started so i would only install linux OS on ssd |
| 00:09.01 | mtn | wils_: I suspect that is the problem, but you would have to try again to make sure. |
| 00:09.17 | wils_ | What should i make sure? |
| 00:09.53 | mtn | wils_: which drive boots first, and put grub on the mbr of that drive |
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| 00:10.03 | wils_ | ok ill check again |
| 00:10.04 | wils_ | thx |
| 00:10.18 | wils_ | reinstall inc :D |
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| 00:11.45 | ryonaloli | hm, the debian wiki seems ot have a lot of dead links. i'm trying to follow https://wiki.debian.org/BootingFromFloppyToUsb but i cannot find the boot.img image, because the /floppy/ directory is no longer there |
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| 00:15.25 | ryonaloli | so where would i find these floppy images? |
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| 00:18.44 | wils_ | mtm are you here? |
| 00:19.26 | mtn | wils_: yes |
| 00:19.32 | wils_ | i know whats up |
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| 00:19.38 | wils_ | my ssd is the sb |
| 00:19.40 | wils_ | sdb |
| 00:19.46 | wils_ | and grub will only install on sda |
| 00:19.48 | mtn | wils_: as I suspected :) |
| 00:19.55 | wils_ | how do i change this |
| 00:20.09 | mtn | wils_: grub should be installed on sda if sda boots first |
| 00:20.30 | wils_ | i need my ssd to be my sda with grub install and my 1tb slow hdd to be sdb |
| 00:20.41 | afidegnum | Please I am in trouble, can you assist ? I am facing this error ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'none' is not loaded |
| 00:20.50 | mtn | wils_: why do you need that? |
| 00:21.12 | wils_ | dont know, i just want my ssd to be "first" chose |
| 00:21.17 | afidegnum | I don't know where this errror is coming from I need to remove anything that has to do with mysql with the configuraton file while keeping the database |
| 00:21.17 | wils_ | i want linux on my ssd |
| 00:21.19 | mtn | wils_: it doesn't matter which is which |
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| 00:21.33 | wils_ | well how do i get install grub on sdb then |
| 00:21.52 | mtn | wils_: the installer will let you set where grub is installed |
| 00:22.10 | wils_ | it just says, do you want to install grub on the master record, yes or no |
| 00:22.13 | wils_ | i cant choose |
| 00:22.28 | wils_ | if i pick yes it just goes to sda |
| 00:22.30 | mtn | wils_: I guess you need to use the expert install |
| 00:22.38 | wils_ | hmmm |
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| 00:22.57 | mtn | wils_: well, that is where you want it to go. it should be on sda if sda boots first. makes sense, doesn't it? |
| 00:23.09 | wils_ | well sdb boots first |
| 00:23.11 | wils_ | thats my ssd |
| 00:23.33 | mtn | wils_: I doubt it boots first, and you can change the boot order in the bios |
| 00:23.39 | wils_ | hm |
| 00:23.50 | wils_ | ill check boot order and then pick expert install |
| 00:24.22 | mtn | wils_: I don't think you need to. just install it normally and select the sdd during boot |
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| 00:27.41 | mrdeb | hi |
| 00:27.51 | mrdeb | is the guy that did debian IAN still around |
| 00:28.07 | afidegnum | any answer please? |
| 00:28.14 | mrdeb | what afidegnum |
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| 00:28.51 | afidegnum | my database is locked with some error message, ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'none' is not loaded |
| 00:29.03 | afidegnum | I tried all my best to get around it but can't get my head out. |
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| 00:30.19 | mrdeb | hmm |
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| 00:30.47 | mrdeb | is it permissions |
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| 00:32.43 | azizLIGHTS | what screensaver is the most basic for X |
| 00:32.49 | azizLIGHTS | and least resource intensive |
| 00:32.56 | skilz | azizLIGHTS, xscreensaver |
| 00:33.21 | skilz | I use the glmatrix one |
| 00:33.24 | afidegnum | any hand please? |
| 00:33.37 | afidegnum | the issue is happening on a live site |
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| 00:34.22 | skilz | afidegnum, perhaps you could ask in #mysql |
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| 00:37.26 | azizLIGHTS | isnt there anything less cpu intensive for screensavers |
| 00:37.32 | azizLIGHTS | im on a raspberry pi |
| 00:38.01 | skilz | Why do you need a screensaver? |
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| 00:38.15 | azizLIGHTS | so i can lock the screen on local display |
| 00:38.19 | skilz | They are only to stop image burn on old CRTs and Plasmas |
| 00:40.55 | skilz | xscreensaver doesn't use much cpu |
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| 00:43.49 | mrdeb | afidegnum: i am sorry but i dont know about this |
| 00:45.08 | spinningcompass | azizLIGHTS: Check this thread out – https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=11463.0 |
| 00:46.45 | Babalau | anyone here ? |
| 00:46.49 | Babalau | oh |
| 00:46.50 | Babalau | silly me |
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| 00:47.57 | Babalau | i have a noob question please: After i ssh into a server, how can i run a terminal command for example "python test.py" and the command to run after i close the terminal ? |
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| 00:48.29 | Babalau | even after i close it |
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| 00:48.39 | ctmjr | try screen |
| 00:49.03 | ctmjr | Babalau: ^^ |
| 00:49.09 | mrdeb | yes screen is good |
| 00:49.13 | Babalau | ctmjr, i did: pythn test.py & |
| 00:49.16 | Babalau | it works |
| 00:49.17 | mrdeb | or baubau |
| 00:49.24 | Babalau | but apparently it stops after i close the session |
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| 00:50.06 | Babalau | what do you mean "screen" ? |
| 00:50.37 | mrdeb | screen is a program that u can tab between terms |
| 00:50.46 | mrdeb | without x |
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| 00:54.49 | azizLIGHTS | screen runs the command after you close the terminal |
| 00:55.05 | azizLIGHTS | and then you can come back to the same terminal later |
| 00:55.13 | azizLIGHTS | er |
| 00:55.21 | azizLIGHTS | it keeps the command running even after you close the therminal |
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| 00:58.00 | afidegnum | helo, please I want to wipe everything related to mysql onmy server as well as users and database, |
| 00:58.08 | afidegnum | what is the command to use? |
| 00:58.19 | ctmjr | Babalau: you can google for screen or install it and and read the man page |
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| 00:58.54 | abrotman | afidegnum: purge all of the mysql package |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | [packages |
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| 00:59.08 | afidegnum | yes, |
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| 00:59.20 | afidegnum | I want to purge everything, what's the command to use? |
| 00:59.32 | afidegnum | I mean everything related to mysql |
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| 01:01.16 | afidegnum | abrotman: what's the command to use please? |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | afidegnum: man aptitude |
| 01:01.42 | afidegnum | ?? |
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| 01:04.13 | Babalau | ctmjr, thank you |
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| 01:06.48 | ctmjr | Babalau: your welcome |
| 01:07.44 | zerick | !purge |
| 01:07.44 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 01:09.02 | Babalau | remember: purge does not "purge" the files in user's folder ~/ |
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| 01:13.28 | beepie | !debian |
| 01:13.28 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:14.13 | beepie | where can i change the maxlength for logon passwords? (pam?) |
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| 01:14.59 | abrotman | beepie: /etc/login.defs IIRC |
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| 01:18.06 | beepie | ah, looking at the header it says PASS_MAX_LEN is now handled by pam |
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| 01:18.53 | mrdeb | when is debian 8 coming out |
| 01:19.22 | abrotman | mrdeb: As we've told you before, no one knows |
| 01:19.31 | ctmjr | who cares |
| 01:20.01 | mrdeb | who makes decision about it |
| 01:20.05 | mrdeb | is it IAN |
| 01:20.22 | ctmjr | wow wrong channel but it kinda of fit |
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| 01:20.38 | abrotman | mrdeb: who is IAN? |
| 01:21.25 | themill | dpkg: tell mrdeb about wwjr |
| 01:21.31 | mrdeb | the person taht made debian linux |
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| 01:22.13 | abrotman | mrdeb: Please find me any recent evidence that might indicate Ian Murdock might be involved in Jessie's release |
| 01:22.41 | beepie | mrdeb, who's ian? |
| 01:22.55 | beepie | mrdeb, is that like a cartoon character from toy story? |
| 01:23.00 | beepie | :) |
| 01:23.37 | beepie | goes on a trance with passwords |
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| 01:25.25 | mrdeb | no |
| 01:25.33 | mrdeb | debia = debbie + ian |
| 01:25.35 | mrdeb | debian |
| 01:25.49 | abrotman | mrdeb: what's your point? |
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| 01:26.18 | mrdeb | he was asking qs |
| 01:26.20 | mrdeb | idk |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | he? |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | You were the one asking silly questoins |
| 01:27.35 | mrdeb | i am not stupid ok |
| 01:28.10 | themill | mrdeb: is there some other language you'd be more comfortable seeking help in then? |
| 01:28.33 | mrdeb | ok |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | mrdeb: You didn't even understand what themill was asking you .. |
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| 01:33.30 | id10t | anyone know about dns? specifically, caching? are mx records cached like hostnames are? |
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| 01:33.48 | abrotman | that depends on the client, but usually, yes |
| 01:34.15 | id10t | client would be server to server smtp |
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| 01:34.32 | abrotman | quite likely cached |
| 01:34.39 | id10t | excellent |
| 01:34.40 | id10t | thanks |
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| 01:44.39 | internat | random question. is there a way to force a package to be installed without removing its conflight? eg, i want to install dovecot along side my courier implementation, so i can migrate from one to the other.. esentially i want to install dovecot on different ports until such a time as im happy with it |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | conflight ? |
| 01:45.07 | abrotman | oh, conflict |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | internat: that wouldn't really work, they both expect to be able to listen on ports 143/993/110/995 |
| 01:46.03 | Gyndawyr | I have a question: Should I install Debian? |
| 01:46.32 | d3sync | counter question why shouldnt you ? |
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| 01:46.50 | Gyndawyr | I've tried Ubuntu, Arch and Mint and so far Mint annoys me the least. |
| 01:47.09 | Gyndawyr | but it is bloat that does not run well on small amounts of RAM |
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| 01:48.10 | Gyndawyr | Debian is well-known for stability, and idk if it's known for being resource-friendly but I hope it is... |
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| 01:48.24 | mikey85 | God Bless you all :) |
| 01:48.26 | mikey85 | How's everyone? |
| 01:48.32 | d3sync | yeap community is pretty good |
| 01:48.43 | Gyndawyr | What user interface does Debian come with? Is it Gnome 3 and is Gnome 3 terrible? |
| 01:48.53 | themill | Gyndawyr: it comes with the one you choose to install |
| 01:48.58 | mikey85 | if anyone needs help with anything like computers or irc, or other software, let me know :) |
| 01:49.15 | d3sync | i would suggest using XFCE for small ammounts of ram |
| 01:49.17 | Gyndawyr | themill: and the default one is what? |
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| 01:49.28 | comradekingu | Gyndawyr: xfce by default on jessie, but you can pick different ones in the installer |
| 01:49.30 | themill | Gyndawyr: the one you choose to install |
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| 01:50.02 | mikey85 | can anyone see me typing? |
| 01:50.03 | Gyndawyr | I thought xfce was for like the crunchbang version of the distro... I guess I confused it with openbox idk why... |
| 01:50.09 | mikey85 | just wondering |
| 01:50.10 | Gyndawyr | yes mikey85 |
| 01:50.12 | republican_devil | anyone figured out the glibc 15 problem when starting pharo smalltalk 3.0? |
| 01:50.13 | mikey85 | thx |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | republican_devil: this seems like a thing to check the BTS for |
| 01:50.26 | republican_devil | iceWM is all the wm ya need |
| 01:50.32 | republican_devil | whats the bts? |
| 01:50.33 | mikey85 | how are you gyndawyr :) |
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| 01:50.44 | abrotman | republican_devil: bugs.debian.org |
| 01:51.34 | Gyndawyr | I'm doing alright I guess. |
| 01:52.20 | Gyndawyr | I was just testing out Debian's IRC support - looks like they're a friendly and helpful bunch. And I get the feeling I'm going to prefer it to Mint. |
| 01:52.49 | d3sync | mint is debian based xD |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | wonders about the reproducibility of said test ... |
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| 01:53.25 | Gyndawyr | Yeah but I've got a computer downstairs with 1GB of RAM |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | that's more than enouhg to run Debian |
| 01:53.43 | Gyndawyr | and with the latest version of Mint it's really struggling to do stuff |
| 01:54.21 | pupil | Gyndawyr: use LXDE |
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| 01:54.57 | mikey85 | hmmmm |
| 01:55.10 | Gyndawyr | I've tried LXDE with my Arch install. It's pretty good, but it takes a lot of work just to make it look alright. |
| 01:56.15 | Gyndawyr | Debian with xfce looks good and looks like it'll work out of the box. The only thing I have to worry about now is my hard drive... whether I should buy an SSD or take my brother's that he's not using... |
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| 01:57.04 | Gyndawyr | it's been sat in his room for months as an intended replacement for his old PS3 hard drive... By the time he notices it's gone I could just buy him a new one. |
| 01:57.31 | pupil | Gyndawyr: sneaky idea |
| 01:57.42 | dzzy | as i would imagine, generally you wouldnt have to do this, but im running Jessie-A1 and i need to install a package thats only in wheezy; is this even possible? |
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| 01:59.09 | abrotman | dzzy: which is what? |
| 01:59.17 | dzzy | libcec1 |
| 01:59.19 | dzzy | for xbmc |
| 01:59.20 | dzzy | sec |
| 01:59.27 | dzzy | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libcec1&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 02:00.24 | themill | dzzy: where are you getting your xbmc package from? |
| 02:00.38 | ctmjr | xbmc is in jessie |
| 02:00.39 | dzzy | http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Compile_XBMC_on_Debian_or_Ubuntu |
| 02:00.42 | dzzy | following that 'guide' |
| 02:00.47 | dzzy | wat |
| 02:01.02 | dzzy | sum bitch earl |
| 02:02.03 | dzzy | the guy im installing this for informs me 'that one is shit' |
| 02:02.11 | dzzy | i dont think he.. |
| 02:02.13 | dzzy | ha |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:02.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:02.43 | dzzy | yea yea, but at least i dont type one word sentences like a friend of mine. |
| 02:02.44 | themill | and if you still want to compile it yourself rather than use the debian package, you'd want libcec2 (which you'd already have from libcec-dev). That guide is written by people who don't understand much about compiling things. |
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| 02:03.09 | dzzy | i installed the dev version, after a search |
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| 02:03.25 | jarray52 | Are there any debian packages that measure the wattage currently used by a Linux box? |
| 02:03.53 | themill | jarray52: powertop gives an estimate based on acpi data |
| 02:05.09 | republican_devil | iceWM is best wm |
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| 02:05.26 | republican_devil | so anyone know about that pharo 3.0 glibc 15 problem? |
| 02:05.42 | themill | republican_devil: the answer hasn't changed in 15 minutes. |
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| 02:06.24 | jarray52 | themill: that was pretty funny... |
| 02:06.30 | themill | (and the quality of your question hasn't improved either -- ask a vague question, get a vague answer) |
| 02:06.49 | dzzy | lol |
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| 02:08.13 | republican_devil | darn I have irssi and can't upscroll, what wasit? |
| 02:08.40 | abrotman | republican_devil: BTS, bugs.debian.org |
| 02:08.54 | mikey85 | message me if you would like to join my channel |
| 02:08.57 | mikey85 | for christians |
| 02:08.58 | mikey85 | thx |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | mikey85: please don't spam here, have a good day |
| 02:09.25 | ctmjr | oh so close |
| 02:09.26 | themill | mikey85: you've already been asked several times to remain on-topic |
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| 02:09.43 | abrotman | problem solved |
| 02:09.48 | dzzy | people still do that shit, holy fuck |
| 02:09.58 | dzzy | i havent been on efnet in years and its sad peopel still do that dumb shit |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | yes .. christians .. holy indeed |
| 02:10.15 | dzzy | better than a drone flood though |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | moving on ... |
| 02:10.32 | dzzy | i like debian |
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| 02:11.26 | republican_devil | the search on bugs.debian.org returns nothing, nor does a search on the http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi search, hmmm |
| 02:12.10 | republican_devil | I typed in pharo then tried pharo smalltalk |
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| 02:12.49 | mintgreen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.03 | dzzy | republican_devil maybe report it? |
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| 02:14.37 | rexane | I just upgraded my kernel in Wheezy to the 3.14 kernel from backports. It seems like it resolved the audio issue I was having (yay!), but there was an error building fglrx for it. Does anyone know what's going on there? |
| 02:14.39 | jarray52 | themill: I have an old 16 core machine with 4 physical CPUs. It consumes a lot of power, but I don't use all the CPUs most of the time. Is there a way to power down unused CPUs to reduce power usage? |
| 02:14.48 | jarray52 | themill: Thanks for the powertop rec. |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | jarray52: cpufreq ? |
| 02:15.17 | themill | jarray52: does the governor putting them into low power states not already achieve that for you? |
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| 02:16.36 | jarray52 | abrotman: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it after looking into themill's suggestions. |
| 02:16.49 | jarray52 | themill: What is the governor? |
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| 02:19.42 | jarray52 | themill: Google helped me out with the governors. Let me check. |
| 02:19.48 | themill | jarray52: there are several different ways the kernel tells the cpu to come in and out of low power states. AIUI all recent CPUs can do this quite well. If memory serves me correctly, "ondemand" is the default and normal one to pick anyway |
| 02:19.52 | republican_devil | why use debian when archlinux and freebsd exist? |
| 02:19.57 | republican_devil | seriously |
| 02:20.06 | themill | dpkg: tell republican_devil about why debian |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | republican_devil: then why are you in #debian asking questions/ |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:20.18 | nodata | i want to know that i can't resolve the ip some peoples vhost on IRC. how they protect it ? |
| 02:20.20 | republican_devil | why not? |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | republican_devil: Are you running Debian? |
| 02:20.40 | republican_devil | maybe maybe not |
| 02:20.47 | themill | nodata: #freenode |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | republican_devil: Are you running Debian? |
| 02:21.22 | republican_devil | currently yes on this rig |
| 02:21.26 | republican_devil | amd64 7.5 |
| 02:22.16 | jarray52 | In defining governor names, I love the use of "Smartass" and "SmartassV2" as technical names. |
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| 02:25.49 | nodata | how i can setup vhost in debian vps like-> i.am.here.mydomain.com |
| 02:26.10 | nodata | currently i use only mydomain.com as vhost |
| 02:26.17 | republican_devil | what webserver? |
| 02:26.26 | nodata | debian 6 32bit |
| 02:26.36 | republican_devil | thats an os |
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| 02:26.40 | republican_devil | not a webserver |
| 02:26.47 | nodata | it's vps |
| 02:26.53 | republican_devil | the os runs the webserver which can contain 100 virtual hosts |
| 02:27.03 | republican_devil | httpd.apache.org is a good one a few people use |
| 02:27.09 | themill | nodata: you might want to define what you mean by "vhost" |
| 02:27.14 | milezteg | Q: anyone in the room ever get a dedicated server from OVH (Canada) ? |
| 02:27.20 | republican_devil | A nopey |
| 02:27.28 | nodata | like peoples use on IRC bnc |
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| 02:27.36 | nodata | hide there ip with vhost |
| 02:28.24 | nodata | i buy unmanaged vps so i just installed debian6 32bit on it |
| 02:28.32 | themill | nodata: "i.am.here.mydomain.com" is not hiding your IP, it's just changing the name that resolves to it. Ask in #freenode for an unaffiliated cloak. |
| 02:28.44 | nodata | i use my domain in ipv4 reverse dns |
| 02:29.22 | nodata | no i want to setup a vhost for my bnc |
| 02:29.31 | nodata | so i can use on all networks |
| 02:29.51 | themill | that doesn't hide your IP. |
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| 02:30.01 | nodata | i am talking about like this |
| 02:30.04 | nodata | http://forcesp.net/vhosts.html |
| 02:30.08 | jarray52 | When I run sudo cpufreq-info, I get the message "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU". Is this an issue that can be resolved on an AMD Opteron 8354. |
| 02:30.49 | nodata | your.husband.liked.in.s-e-c-u-r-e-d.info |
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| 02:31.25 | nodata | how i can do this in debian6 |
| 02:31.50 | nodata | mess.with.the.best.die.like.the.rest.512kbps.info |
| 02:32.13 | nodata | can i make like thsi vhost with my domain ? |
| 02:33.18 | republican_devil | you speak greek to me |
| 02:33.47 | themill | nodata: you need to configure your nameserver to do this. BTW if you use dns names like that, you can expect to get banned in a lot of places. |
| 02:34.04 | nodata | lol |
| 02:34.18 | nodata | i think you don't know about shells |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | lolololol |
| 02:34.40 | nodata | bnc , many companies selling it |
| 02:34.51 | nodata | and many peoples use it on irc |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | nodata: so ask the company you buy it form how to do it |
| 02:35.35 | nodata | they won't help |
| 02:35.38 | nodata | see here |
| 02:35.41 | nodata | http://www.botseller.net/toblerone.html |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | nodata: how is this problem related to Debian? |
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| 02:36.08 | nodata | i want setup in debian |
| 02:36.15 | nodata | in my vps |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | nodata: so ask your provider for help |
| 02:36.22 | nodata | http://www.shellprox.net/vhosts.html |
| 02:36.29 | nodata | http://www.jeah.net/vhosts.shtml |
| 02:36.44 | nodata | they made it on linux |
| 02:37.24 | nodata | who.needs.beer.and.hookers.when.you.have.eggdropshells.net |
| 02:37.40 | nodata | :) |
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| 02:37.54 | abrotman | done with that |
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| 02:42.49 | Megaf | wow |
| 02:42.55 | Megaf | was that really needed? |
| 02:43.11 | Megaf | Hi abrotman, how are you? |
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| 02:43.35 | abrotman | Megaf: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:43.58 | Megaf | abrotman; not at all, I'm here to help too |
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| 02:44.22 | abrotman | okay then .. |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | help those that need help, no need to pester me |
| 02:44.37 | Megaf | I pay you a glass or juice if I meet you someday |
| 02:44.49 | Megaf | s/or/of |
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| 02:47.41 | rexane | Does anyone know why the fglrx module would fail to build for the 3.14 kernel from wheezy-backports? |
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| 02:55.01 | jarray52 | Do I have to compile a new kernel to get acpi_cpufreq to work? |
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| 02:57.32 | jarray52 | along with the cpu_freq interface |
| 02:58.03 | zybiski | should not be *necessary* |
| 02:58.09 | zybiski | but im going to bed |
| 02:58.24 | jarray52 | zybiski: Thanks |
| 02:58.25 | zybiski | as long as the daemon is running afaik |
| 02:58.39 | zybiski | yw, nn |
| 02:59.10 | themill | jarray52: the standard kernels should have acpi-cpufreq available («modinfo acpi-cpufreq») |
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| 03:07.07 | jarray52 | themill: My CPU is an AMD Opteron 8354. It should be fairly standard. However, I get 'ERROR: could not insert 'acpi_cpufreq': No such device' when running 'sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq' |
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| 03:09.21 | jarray52 | themill: Are you sure I don't need cpudyn... that's what some posts seemed to indicate... but I'm not sure, and I need to figure out how to install it. |
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| 03:10.53 | themill | jarray52: I don't know about your specific hardware. For every bit of kit I've owned in the last 8 or 9 years, there's been nothing to do to have this all work straight away |
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| 03:12.25 | jarray52 | themill: Also, 'sudo modinfo acpi-cpufreq' shows that the module is there. However, it cannot be inserted... hence the error... 'ERROR: could not insert 'acpi_cpufreq': No such device' |
| 03:12.59 | jarray52 | Let me see if powernow is enabled. |
| 03:14.23 | jarray52 | be back soon. Just rebooting. |
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| 03:19.02 | Megaf | themill; he should use powernow_k8 module |
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| 03:25.26 | skilz | Is there some app I can use to take pictures with my webcam? |
| 03:25.40 | abrotman | skilz: apt-cache search webcam ? |
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| 03:26.41 | jarray52 | themill: Thanks for your help. The problem was caused by the relevant settings being disabled in my BIOS. After enabling them, it works well. |
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| 03:28.14 | skilz | webcam - image grabber and uploader |
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| 03:28.25 | skilz | will that do the job? |
| 03:28.50 | skilz | I'm not in the business of installing random software just to see what it does. |
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| 03:31.01 | abrotman | skilz: Good luck |
| 03:31.29 | Megaf | jarray52; I use the powernow_k8 module for cpufreq things |
| 03:32.03 | Megaf | then I made some scripts to use /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq |
| 03:32.33 | Megaf | like, echo conservative > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 04:17.00 | jarray52 | I have a 4 CPU (16 core) system. When switching from the performance governor to 'ondemand' governor, the power usage drops from about 320 watts to about 220 watts when the computer is idled. That's a respectable drop for no observable performance loss. However, when I switch 12 CPUs off with echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu<x>/online; I see no drop in power used. |
| 04:17.09 | jarray52 | In other words, it uses 330 watts. |
| 04:17.17 | jarray52 | Anyone know why that is? |
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| 04:22.39 | jarray52 | Megaf: How do I install the powernow_k10 (or powernow_k8) module? |
| 04:22.56 | Megaf | its installed already |
| 04:23.01 | Megaf | and should be runnign |
| 04:23.10 | Megaf | jarray52; lsmod | grep powernow |
| 04:23.30 | jarray52 | you're right... it is running. |
| 04:23.32 | PryMar56 | jarray52, `cool and quiet` at Auto in bios |
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| 04:25.39 | PryMar56 | jarray52, I use cpufrequtils for Amd throttling |
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| 04:26.50 | PryMar56 | jarray52, see the power level steps: dmesg | grep -i pow |
| 04:27.09 | Megaf | jarray52; is most likely you dont have to do anything, you CPU should be on ondemand governor already |
| 04:27.57 | Megaf | dmesg | grep -i pow | grep pstate |
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| 04:31.04 | Rusty1 | could a process still be using one of the cores? |
| 04:31.33 | Megaf | What do you mean? |
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| 04:33.43 | Rusty1 | not sure how to otherwise ask the question, sorry |
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| 04:35.59 | Megaf | Rusty1; Does your question have anything to do with our previous conversation about powernow_k8? |
| 04:36.08 | Rusty1 | aye |
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| 04:36.47 | Megaf | Rusty1; it doest matter if the CPU is in use or not |
| 04:37.01 | Rusty1 | and not, just wondering if the cores are claimed by processes , thus not settling down |
| 04:37.03 | Megaf | you can set scaling governor and frequencies at any time |
| 04:37.09 | Megaf | ah |
| 04:37.29 | Megaf | well, a process my be waking up the cpu often yes |
| 04:37.55 | Megaf | cpu have a natural tendency to idle and go to lower states of power usage |
| 04:38.12 | Megaf | you can see that if you install and run powertop |
| 04:38.16 | Rusty1 | so htop, slabtop (the man pages take alot of time to read) could help |
| 04:39.07 | Rusty1 | if in a virtualization scenario ... |
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| 04:42.26 | jarray52 | Megaf: https://dpaste.de/QX7t |
| 04:42.41 | jarray52 | Megaf: Sorry for the slow response. My dad called. |
| 04:43.08 | Megaf | jarray52; your cpu is working fine already |
| 04:43.31 | PryMar56 | jarray52, sudo find /lib/modules/ -iname "cpufreq_*" |
| 04:43.46 | Megaf | or apt-get install cpufrequtils |
| 04:43.59 | Megaf | then cpufreq-info |
| 04:44.16 | jarray52 | Megaf: https://dpaste.de/uoWQ |
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| 04:45.02 | jarray52 | Megaf: I have a wall socket Watt usage/Volt meter. So, I can precisely measure electricity usage. I'm getting no power saving from turning off 12 CPUs. |
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| 04:46.02 | PryMar56 | Megaf, my wheezy kernel has no ondemand, so I use conservative |
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| 04:46.25 | Megaf | jarray52; ok] |
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| 04:46.35 | Megaf | jarray52; install cpufrequtils |
| 04:46.40 | jarray52 | I did |
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| 04:46.59 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 0 -g powersave |
| 04:47.02 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 1 -g powersave |
| 04:47.05 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 2 -g powersave |
| 04:47.07 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 3 -g powersave |
| 04:47.10 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 4 -g powersave |
| 04:47.12 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 5 -g powersave |
| 04:47.15 | Megaf | jarray52; then cpufreq-set -c 6 -g powersave |
| 04:47.26 | Megaf | and see your power usage |
| 04:47.42 | Megaf | then do the same but change it for performance |
| 04:47.55 | Megaf | oops, i goes to 7 |
| 04:47.59 | Megaf | from 0 to 7 |
| 04:48.05 | Megaf | 8 cores |
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| 04:50.24 | Megaf | jarray52; sorry, your CPU has only 4 cores |
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| 04:50.27 | Megaf | so from 0 to 3 |
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| 04:51.40 | jarray52 | Megaf: I have 16 cores. So, I ran: for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15; do sudo cpufreq-set -c $i -g powersave; done |
| 04:52.14 | Megaf | jarray52; whats your CPU again? |
| 04:52.29 | Megaf | the CPU you said befora have 4 cores |
| 04:52.35 | Megaf | before* |
| 04:53.04 | Megaf | jarray52; Im sorry, I missread that |
| 04:53.14 | jarray52 | Megaf: I ran: for i in 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15; do echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$i/online ; done |
| 04:53.23 | Megaf | jarray52; so, hows the power usage with everything in powersave? |
| 04:53.31 | jarray52 | Shitty |
| 04:53.38 | jarray52 | I have a wall meter. |
| 04:53.47 | Megaf | jarray52; first be sure all CPUs are online |
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| 04:53.57 | Megaf | then put everything in powersave |
| 04:54.00 | Megaf | and see wattage |
| 04:54.07 | Megaf | then put everything in performance |
| 04:54.11 | Megaf | and see wattage |
| 04:54.52 | Megaf | jarray52; you will not see much difference because you system is mostly idle |
| 04:54.54 | jarray52 | I put all CPUs in powersave. Wattage usage is around 430 watts. My monitors and other peripherals take about 120 watts. |
| 04:55.00 | Megaf | you have to stress it |
| 04:55.30 | Megaf | compiling something with like, make -j 16 is a good idea |
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| 04:56.14 | Megaf | jarray52; or install cpuburn |
| 04:56.15 | jarray52 | That's too shortlived... unless I compile KDE or something... Let me get a stress test. |
| 04:56.21 | Megaf | jarray52; or install cpuburn |
| 04:56.48 | Megaf | then run 16 burnP6 or 16 burnK7 |
| 04:58.38 | jarray52 | for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15; do burnK7&; done? |
| 04:58.53 | Megaf | I dont know, |
| 04:59.04 | Megaf | you need to have 16 instances for burnK7 running |
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| 05:00.15 | PryMar56 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:01.24 | jarray52 | PryMar56: Thanks man |
| 05:01.47 | PryMar56 | jarray52, I had to look it up ;) |
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| 05:02.06 | jarray52 | I felt like an idiot typing for i in 0 1 2 3 ... |
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| 05:02.47 | jarray52 | Megaf: You're right. My Watt usage shot up to 610 Watts. |
| 05:03.24 | Megaf | jarray52; do same test with CPU in powersave and with CPU in performance |
| 05:03.57 | Megaf | a more powersave friendly governor is conservative |
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| 05:04.27 | jarray52 | Megaf: Also, does BIOS option spread spectrum impact anything? |
| 05:04.41 | Megaf | yep, make your CPU slower |
| 05:04.42 | jarray52 | When I turned on all the power save options, I also enabled spread spectrum |
| 05:04.46 | aaDJADJASDA | Do you guys reccomend Rute? |
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| 05:04.55 | scshunt | Hey all. How can I get a list of packages that provide another package? |
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| 05:05.08 | Megaf | jarray52; it doesnt do anything to power usage, maybe even increse it |
| 05:05.12 | Megaf | leave it off |
| 05:05.30 | Megaf | scshunt; apt-file |
| 05:05.31 | jarray52 | Megaf: Let me reboot and turn off spread spectrum. I'm not really worried about the NSA monitoring my porn usage. |
| 05:05.32 | Megaf | install it |
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| 05:05.46 | Megaf | ok |
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| 05:07.32 | scshunt | also, why is sendmail in sbin? |
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| 05:11.04 | Megaf | <jarray52> I have a 4 CPU (16 core) system. When switching from the performance governor to 'ondemand' governor, the power usage drops from about 320 watts to about 220 watts when the computer is idled. That's a respectable drop for no observable performance loss. However, when I switch 12 CPUs off with echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu<x>/online; I see no drop in power used. |
| 05:11.04 | Megaf | <jarray52> In other words, it uses 330 watts. |
| 05:11.04 | Megaf | <jarray52> Anyone know why that is? |
| 05:11.20 | Megaf | it doesnt really turn the CPU off |
| 05:11.34 | Megaf | it just prevent the OS from using it |
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| 05:12.09 | Megaf | so, if you "turn off" 12 CPUs, your system will use 12 cpus less power when fully loaded |
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| 05:20.15 | jarray52 | Megaf: While the CPUs are idled (without spread spectrum), I use 415 Watts on average (including all devices) on conservative, performance, and ondemand. There is no difference. powersave might be a watt or two lower, but I think there is no difference. |
| 05:21.20 | Megaf | jarray52; my servers uses 5 watts max |
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| 05:21.22 | Megaf | :) |
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| 05:23.12 | jarray52 | about 100 to 120 watts are from other peripherals. |
| 05:23.26 | jarray52 | Main problem with the power consumption is the heat in the summer. |
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| 05:25.16 | jarray52 | In performance mode, I'm using 750 Watts. |
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| 05:26.32 | Megaf | jarray52; just get better coolers then |
| 05:26.33 | jarray52 | On demand... also 750 Watts. |
| 05:26.54 | Megaf | or leave your cpu in powersave |
| 05:27.08 | Megaf | but thats depends on what you are doing with this hardware |
| 05:27.12 | boudiccas | how can i start a terminal and then run a script in it from a cronjob please? |
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| 05:29.16 | jarray52 | Megaf: I tried in all 4 modes, there was no difference in power usage. |
| 05:29.35 | jarray52 | Your servers use 5 watts max? |
| 05:29.40 | jarray52 | Nice server. |
| 05:29.44 | Megaf | yep |
| 05:29.45 | jarray52 | What are you using? |
| 05:29.56 | jarray52 | In Idle? |
| 05:30.02 | jarray52 | atom servers? |
| 05:30.03 | Megaf | 4 cores at 2,1 Ghz |
| 05:30.07 | Megaf | ARM |
| 05:30.12 | Megaf | 2 GB DDR 2 |
| 05:30.15 | jarray52 | Ahh... |
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| 05:30.28 | Megaf | those ARMs are amazing |
| 05:30.37 | jarray52 | Running Linux? |
| 05:30.37 | Megaf | AMD now have ARM opterons too |
| 05:30.47 | Megaf | jarray52; Debian Wheezy :) |
| 05:30.53 | Megaf | but its a game server :) |
| 05:30.55 | jarray52 | Nice |
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| 05:32.24 | jarray52 | 1 CPU 4 cores? |
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| 05:32.58 | Megaf | jarray52; my server? Yes |
| 05:33.17 | jarray52 | Yes, I was asking about your server. |
| 05:35.04 | Megaf | jarray52; not a server hardware, but its been quite reliable http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php |
| 05:35.21 | jarray52 | Unfortunately, they require a different motherboard. They aren't drop in replacements. |
| 05:35.47 | MegAFK | AMD is going to solve that |
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| 05:36.46 | jarray52 | That thing is cheap. Is it slow? |
| 05:37.08 | mandrivan | hey all plz help me to solve this problem when i do apt-get upgarde http://dpaste.com/0ADMX98/ |
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| 05:38.22 | MegAFK | mandrivan; sid is not stable |
| 05:38.39 | MegAFK | jarray52; well, for what I need its perfect |
| 05:38.41 | mandrivan | MegAFK: i know my man |
| 05:38.53 | MegAFK | mandrivan; I dont know how to fix that |
| 05:39.02 | mandrivan | MegAFK: tnx my man |
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| 05:41.50 | jarray52 | MegaAFK: Is there any way to use the AMD C2 & C3 states to power off CPU cores? |
| 05:42.31 | MegAFK | you will have to do some research ;) |
| 05:42.48 | jarray52 | Thanks for your help. |
| 05:43.05 | jarray52 | Appreciate the techniques you showed me. |
| 05:43.13 | jarray52 | and the android server link. |
| 05:43.13 | MegAFK | You're welcome |
| 05:43.24 | MegAFK | good night :) |
| 05:43.33 | jarray52 | good night |
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| 05:45.12 | MegAFK | PS. jarray52 next year we will be able to swap amd64 and ARM CPUs using the same motherboard |
| 05:45.12 | MegAFK | http://www.zdnet.com/what-amds-arm-strategy-means-for-pcs-servers-7000029134/ |
| 05:46.19 | mandrivan | hey all plz help me to solve this problem when i do apt-get upgarde http://dpaste.com/0ADMX98/ |
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| 05:51.30 | skribblezatcha | mandrivan: run this command ok... |
| 05:51.31 | skilz | I have a Radenon 5800 card and a Dell U2410 monitor, thinking about getting another U2410, if I plug it in will it just work in X dual display or do I have to fiddle around? |
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| 05:52.13 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: what command ? |
| 05:52.14 | skribblezatcha | run: sudo apt-get install -t unstable mime-support |
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| 05:53.28 | skribblezatcha | once it installs, i mean i know that you are apt-pinning mandrivan..but i usually go back and comment out my sources that i am not using when i am not grabbing something so that an accident cant happen. you do it how you want, i just laid that out there though. |
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| 05:54.27 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: hmmm i try to dist-upgrade and i got that |
| 05:54.59 | skribblezatcha | o ok, sorry, i didnt know that mandrivan. so you are trying to upgrade to what, jessie or sid? |
| 05:55.34 | skribblezatcha | i am assuming sid, well try this one mandrivan..sudo apt-get install -f |
| 05:55.45 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: i try upgarde to sid but i have a problem |
| 05:55.47 | skribblezatcha | thats my fault mandrivan. |
| 05:56.15 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: but i have a big problem im on squeeze |
| 05:56.43 | skribblezatcha | ok check it out..you have the sid sources right mandrivan? |
| 05:56.51 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: and i know now i cant upgrade from lastest |
| 05:56.55 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: yes |
| 05:57.17 | skribblezatcha | did you comment out your squeeze sources? |
| 05:57.42 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: no just sid |
| 05:57.58 | skribblezatcha | you only have the sid sources now mandrivan? |
| 05:58.12 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: yes my men |
| 05:58.37 | Peace- | hello i have a problem when i do sudo chgrp MYGROUP /bin/loadkeys it works , instead with /usr/bin/loadkeys no |
| 05:58.49 | skribblezatcha | ok cool. run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade mandrivan, then tell me what happens please. |
| 05:59.03 | Peace- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.19 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: ok tnx but i have somthing to say my friend says |
| 05:59.36 | skribblezatcha | ok go for it mandrivan. |
| 06:00.06 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: first add sid resources to sources.list and then sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:00.09 | babilen | mandrivan: An upgrade from squeeze to sid will, almost certainly, not work. You have to upgrade to wheezy first as detailed in <squeeze->wheezy> and take it from there. |
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| 06:00.47 | skribblezatcha | here is the thing mandrivan. let me send you my sources.list because what babilen just said is true. |
| 06:01.15 | skribblezatcha | you are going to have to comment out sources and uncomment some for this to work ok mandrivan. |
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| 06:01.20 | babilen | And you also shouldn't mix stable with testing or unstable |
| 06:02.15 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: babilen then when i tell me to my friend im on debian 6 he said you can not upgrade to unstable because you must on testing debian then you can |
| 06:03.25 | skribblezatcha | mandrivan: if you want me to help you out i will. i can send you my sources.list with the wheezy sources not commented out. that is what you want to upgrade to first. |
| 06:03.43 | babilen | mandrivan: squeeze is <oldstable> and there simply isn't an upgrade path to testing or unstable. You will, as mentioned earlier, upgrade to wheezy as detailed in the wheezy <release notes> before you take it from there. |
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| 06:04.41 | babilen | mandrivan: If you already mixed in packages from sid into your squeeze system you might just as well install wheezy from scratch and spare yourself the work to sort out the frankendebian. |
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| 06:05.27 | babilen | mandrivan: Folloe the upgrade procedures in the release notes if you want to upgrade to wheezy: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 06:05.44 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: babilen no no i try too install jessie or sid ;) |
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| 06:07.11 | babilen | mandrivan: Yes, you *have* to upgrade from a completely up-to-date wheezy installation. And you are aware that those are development "releases" and that jessie is simply a tool to prepare the next stable release and not really a release people should run, aren't you? |
| 06:07.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell mandrivan -about sid faq |
| 06:07.37 | skribblezatcha | 32bit or 64bit mandrivan? |
| 06:08.15 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: 64bit |
| 06:08.30 | mandrivan | babilen: tnx i do my best :D |
| 06:09.50 | mandrivan | skribblezatcha: babilen thanks |
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| 06:52.56 | yottanami | Is anyway to set tochpad to works just for scrolling in synclient ? |
| 06:55.29 | yottanami | or with any other tool |
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| 06:56.20 | jiohdi_ | maybe using mousetweaks |
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| 07:04.11 | petern_ | hi, is there a debian-way to disable multicast_snooping on a bridge device? |
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| 07:09.23 | anick | what's the equivalent of dd on windows ? |
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| 07:10.18 | bazhang | windows has dd |
| 07:10.39 | anonnumberanon | What happened to ntpdate I don't find it and I need it. |
| 07:10.51 | anonnumberanon | This one: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/25 ?? |
| 07:11.35 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: what do you mean, what happened? |
| 07:12.05 | anonnumberanon | I look for it in Synaptic package manager and it isn't there nkuttler |
| 07:12.08 | nkuttler | ,v ntpdate |
| 07:12.09 | judd | Package: ntpdate on i386 -- squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3 |
| 07:12.18 | nkuttler | !tell anonnumberanon about sources.list |
| 07:12.25 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: fix your sources.list and apt-get update |
| 07:12.43 | anonnumberanon | nkuttler, ntpdate is not in the standard depos? |
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| 07:13.06 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: it is |
| 07:13.08 | anonnumberanon | I have wheezy |
| 07:13.09 | anonnumberanon | . |
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| 07:17.54 | anonnumberanon | I believe I'm missing wheezy updates |
| 07:18.08 | anonnumberanon | in sources.list |
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| 07:20.22 | afidegnum | hello good morning, anyone online ? |
| 07:20.32 | wols | !tell anonnumberanon about wheezy sources.list |
| 07:21.11 | anonnumberanon | yeah wols I am reading it right now already but thank you for the help |
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| 07:22.28 | afidegnum | anyone online please? |
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| 07:22.56 | iceisfun | when doing a aptitude search how do i tell which source the package will come from |
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| 07:23.35 | wols | iceisfun: apt-cache policy <package> will tell you |
| 07:24.08 | afidegnum | hello, my apache can't start. it is facing this error: no listening sockets available,- shutting down - Unable to open logs - Action 'restart' failed - The Apache error log may have more information. |
| 07:24.23 | wols | afidegnum: which debian version does this apache2 run on? |
| 07:24.59 | afidegnum | debian squeeze |
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| 07:25.44 | wols | afidegnum: then why are you asking the same question earlier in #ubuntu whne you run squeeze? something doesn't add up. |
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| 07:26.04 | afidegnum | since it's apache, the issue would have been the same |
| 07:26.34 | wols | it's not the same distro. so I really don't think you run debian at all |
| 07:26.55 | afidegnum | my apologies... |
| 07:27.04 | afidegnum | but I am in a crisis |
| 07:27.48 | wols | you've been here long enough to know that you are not supposed to do this but did it willfully anyway. So sorry, I don't care about your "crisis" after your behaviour |
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| 07:30.29 | afidegnum | wols: pls help, I can't do anything |
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| 07:33.18 | skilz | How do I mount my iPhone? |
| 07:33.28 | Peace- | sigh %loadkeys debianseren=(ALL)NOPASSWD:/bin/loadkeys' in sudoers doens't work |
| 07:33.32 | Peace- | -.- |
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| 07:44.16 | wols | skilz: https://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
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| 07:52.54 | anonnumberanon | Will you never have the right time at a clean install if you dual-boot Debian with Windows? |
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| 07:53.36 | wols | !tell anonnumberanon about utc |
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| 07:54.43 | anonnumberanon | Getting the right time> takes hours. |
| 07:55.06 | wols | why? |
| 07:55.31 | wols | just make sure both OSes use the same setting: local time in BIOS |
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| 07:55.50 | babilen | (or configure windows to use UTC as it should be) |
| 07:56.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon -about windows utc |
| 07:56.28 | anonnumberanon | yeah I changed the time in the BIOS and Debian wouldn't boot anymore, good thing I wrote down the time before the change so I changed back to it and Debian booted again. |
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| 07:58.01 | anonnumberanon | I shouldn't have to do this gosh. |
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| 08:15.00 | z8z | gcc 4.6 has no more bugfix support.... will debian upgrade to newer one? |
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| 08:20.26 | afidegnum | hello, is this not some intrusion or something similar? here is the result of my apache error.log [Sun May 18 10:06:58 2014] [error] mod_log_sql: child spawned but unable to open database link [Sun May 18 10:06:58 2014] [error] [client 37.187.100.48] File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs [Sun May 18 10:06:58 2014] [error] [client 91.121.99.194] File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs |
| 08:20.33 | nkuttler | !tell skilz about automount |
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| 08:21.59 | nkuttler | afidegnum: did you edit your apache config or available sites? |
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| 08:22.29 | afidegnum | I had an error earlier, where I had to edit port.conf |
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| 08:22.51 | afidegnum | that's listening to the normal ports 80 and 442 |
| 08:23.00 | nkuttler | afidegnum: fwiw, it looks to me like you haven't configured a DocumentRoot for one of your hosts |
| 08:23.14 | nkuttler | and that /etc/apache2/htdocs is the fallback.. |
| 08:23.18 | afidegnum | ok, |
| 08:23.36 | afidegnum | checking but the ip address I am seeing is different from my serve's ip address |
| 08:24.11 | nkuttler | remote ip? can be spoofed, so can hostnames |
| 08:24.21 | nkuttler | and it just happens if you host websites.. |
| 08:24.34 | afidegnum | ah, ok, thanks, I am relieved ! |
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| 08:29.52 | jetscreamer | with kde how do i get rid of that widget in the top right corner that says desktop |
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| 08:47.54 | neagix | hi. I am using wheezy stable and I have added the testing repository. now I would like to pin only specific packages from testing to be installed instead of those in stable |
| 08:48.26 | neagix | the wiki page regarding Apt pinning is...really not clear |
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| 08:49.02 | wols | neagix: that is a bad idea and will kill your debian pretty quick |
| 08:49.18 | neagix | wols: what? |
| 08:49.26 | wols | you can use backports, do a backport yourself of fully upgrade to jessie/testing. you cannot use random packages from testing in your debian stable |
| 08:49.42 | neagix | problem is, there is no exynos support in libdrm in wheezy |
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| 08:50.03 | neagix | neither in backports, because I have that in my sources |
| 08:50.19 | wols | that sucks but you cannot simply mix debian branches. if you do, you will encounter bigger problems and you will have to reinstall in the end |
| 08:50.30 | wols | for your problem I suggest to run jessie |
| 08:51.10 | neagix | ok, but I still want to pin a specific package to be installed |
| 08:51.24 | wols | good luck destroying your debian installation then |
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| 08:52.13 | neagix | wols thanks for your fears, I will not destroy it |
| 08:53.04 | wols | your ignorance and naivity are touching but irrelevant to the outcome |
| 08:53.13 | wols | ,depends libdrm |
| 08:53.14 | judd | No package named 'libdrm' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 08:53.31 | wols | ,depends libdrm2 |
| 08:53.32 | judd | Package libdrm2 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7),multiarch-support. |
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| 08:53.58 | jetscreamer | !tell neagix -about ssb |
| 08:54.29 | jetscreamer | !tell neagix -about pinning |
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| 09:13.09 | neagix | this is the relevant bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=696665 |
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| 09:14.06 | neagix | so, on top of my touching naivety and ignorance I made a test with the jessie package, but didn't see the include header of exynos |
| 09:14.14 | neagix | I will instead build from sources |
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| 09:44.31 | afidegnum | hi, how do I find the total size of a directory and its contents? |
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| 09:50.51 | Gabi- | whats the best antivirus scanner for debian |
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| 09:52.33 | Mikaela | afidegnum: du -h folder/ |
| 09:53.12 | afidegnum | Mikaela: its' outputing size of al folder within the named directory |
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| 09:53.22 | afidegnum | let's say Ihave /var/www/sites |
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| 09:53.36 | afidegnum | I want to know the size of the "sites" folder |
| 09:54.09 | Mikaela | du -h /var/www/sites && du -h /var/www/sites/* |
| 09:54.15 | Mikaela | Nothing else comes to my mind at the moment. |
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| 09:56.17 | krpt | du -h /var/www/ -d 0 sites |
| 09:56.45 | afidegnum | ok |
| 09:56.47 | krpt | or grep the output of du with sites |
| 09:57.02 | krpt | something like that 100% sure but should work |
| 09:57.08 | krpt | not* |
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| 09:57.11 | krpt | :) |
| 09:57.21 | towo` | afidegnum, du --max-depth=1 -h /var/www/sites |
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| 09:58.31 | krpt | towo`: wouldn't it got 1 subdirectory deep IN /var/www/sites ? |
| 09:58.36 | afidegnum | ok, tahnks, |
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| 10:06.15 | krpt | just tested it afidegnum : du -d 0 -h /var/www/sites is your answer :) |
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| 10:06.48 | afidegnum | krpt: thankx |
| 10:07.17 | krpt | afidegnum: yw |
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| 10:19.02 | Fusl | guys... can someone help me with this? W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 10:23.43 | average | Fusl: you can update your gpg key for that repository https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt for details |
| 10:24.06 | average | fulgore: also make sure you are actually dealing with http://security.debian.org and not something else |
| 10:24.10 | average | * Fusl |
| 10:24.17 | Fusl | i am |
| 10:24.20 | Fusl | i checked the sources list |
| 10:25.05 | average | Fusl: have you read https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Other_problems ? |
| 10:25.09 | krpt | you have to import the key with something like : gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553 |
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| 10:25.45 | Fusl | ah |
| 10:25.49 | Fusl | krpt: that fixes it |
| 10:26.06 | krpt | and then add it to your keyring : gpg --export --armor 8B48AD6246925553 | apt-key add - |
| 10:26.12 | krpt | yes that should |
| 10:26.42 | krpt | if you're sure of the remote server of course as said average :) |
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| 10:27.11 | average | krpt: could you describe a way of making sure of that ? I am a bit ignorant on that side |
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| 10:27.48 | krpt | me too :) we'll go with highly unlikely I guess :p |
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| 10:28.01 | average | heh, ok |
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| 10:29.29 | average | krpt: and ofc there's another problem.. what if subkyes.pgp.net is not what you think it is? one can set up a gpg-keyserver quite fast ( as described here https://kura.io/2011/12/17/running-your-own-pgp-keyserver-with-sks-on-debian-6ubuntu-10-04/ ) |
| 10:29.41 | average | yeah, security is really hard.. |
| 10:31.22 | krpt | yes, if anyone can go in the middle of your connection with the remote server, he can spoof it |
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| 10:36.10 | neagix | krpt: but the fingerprint cannot be altered |
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| 10:37.54 | sweb | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5191286 |
| 10:38.19 | sweb | i have an error to inject my key to server |
| 10:38.27 | sweb | what's the problem |
| 10:38.32 | sweb | server dosnt accept my key |
| 10:39.12 | krpt | neagix: yes, you're right at least there's that |
| 10:40.35 | jelly-home | Fusl: there should however be no need to insert keys into apt's database manually like that, instead of that just makes sure you have the latest debian-archive-keyring packages installed |
| 10:40.39 | jelly-home | ,v debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:40.40 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.08.28+squeeze1; jessie: 2012.4; sid: 2012.4; wheezy: 2012.4 |
| 10:41.19 | Fusl | jelly-home: that apt-get update was the first since a few months which may be the reason why it wasn't accepted anymore |
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| 10:42.15 | jelly-home | Fusl: the keys for wheezy have not changed, ever, as far as I know; You wouldn't be mixing squeeze and wheezy repos? |
| 10:43.34 | Fusl | jelly-home: i upgraded that server from etch over lenny to wheezy |
| 10:44.06 | jelly-home | Fusl: skipping squeeze? That is not supported, and probably the reason for weird issues. |
| 10:44.15 | Fusl | oh okay |
| 10:44.17 | Fusl | crap |
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| 10:44.22 | Fusl | but hey! it worked \o/ |
| 10:44.31 | krpt | lol |
| 10:44.48 | Fusl | and the server is still running with 99.93248% uptime :D |
| 10:44.59 | krpt | sweb: does 'usr' exists on the remote ? |
| 10:45.20 | krpt | shouldn't it be 'sweb' the user auth less ? |
| 10:45.38 | jelly-home | Fusl: in any case, make sure debian-archive-keyring is installed |
| 10:45.42 | Fusl | jelly-home: it is |
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| 10:47.15 | sweb | krpt: ssh-add needed ty btw |
| 10:47.17 | neagix | still re this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=696665 can somebody explain why 2.4.54 (jessie) does not have exynos enabled? was it disabled back? |
| 10:49.09 | krpt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.58 | neagix | krpt: channel is invite only |
| 10:51.09 | SynrG | read carefully |
| 10:51.17 | SynrG | on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:52.25 | neagix | SynrG: oh, I should change my IRC server |
| 10:52.39 | SynrG | exactly |
| 10:53.10 | SynrG | and in general, read changelogs |
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| 11:07.03 | Fare | hi! Can someone help me with some packaging issues? I'm baffled by some of the lintian warnings at http://mentors.debian.net/package/cl-asdf |
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| 11:08.02 | abrotman | Fare: which part of that? |
| 11:08.12 | Fare | ok, let's do it in order |
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| 11:08.43 | Fare | first, I tried to re-upload a new 2:3.1.2-1, and that page seems confused between my and Robert's previous attempt. |
| 11:09.10 | abrotman | you aren't Robert? |
| 11:09.12 | Fare | wrong weekday: oops, my bad. |
| 11:09.15 | Fare | I'm Francois-Rene |
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| 11:09.26 | Fare | duplicate files: I think I solved this one. |
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| 11:10.28 | abrotman | Fare: you might want to ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net about the Uploader bit. |
| 11:11.09 | Fare | privacy-breach: I'm not sure if that disappeared in my variant or not. Maybe his texinfo was configured to have a .css from www.gnu.org? |
| 11:11.50 | Fare | I see a <link href="http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/" rel="generator-home" titl |
| 11:11.50 | Fare | e="Texinfo Homepage"> in the variant I have generated is that what causes the warning? |
| 11:12.10 | abrotman | can't imagine so |
| 11:12.45 | Fare | out-of-date standards: I'm still on ubuntu 12.04LTS, that only has 3.9.3 is it OK to advertise conforming to 3.9.5 when I don't even have the file, much less have read it? |
| 11:13.05 | Fare | and finally: what's not working about the watch file, and how can I test it? |
| 11:13.51 | abrotman | (have you tried to use the URL the watch uses?) |
| 11:13.58 | Fare | well, it's a regexp |
| 11:14.12 | Fare | as it should be, since the version varies |
| 11:14.18 | abrotman | Fare: #debian-mentors can probably answer more of these questions(irc.oftc.net) |
| 11:14.24 | Fare | thanks |
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| 11:18.11 | c0ded | hey im trying to get my exim4 install to do 2 things, basically how send mail does, but id like to stay with exim4, cuz i always just remove and use sendmail outta lazyness lol |
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| 11:18.42 | c0ded | but can i setup exim4 so w/e a new mail comes, it announces it like sendmail does "you have new mail: /var/mail/root" ? |
| 11:18.51 | c0ded | gotta be a easy way todo that |
| 11:19.03 | abrotman | that's not an exim4 thing |
| 11:19.05 | c0ded | and also can i set it up so it sends to the user name and not mail? |
| 11:19.14 | c0ded | there's no way to get it to do that? |
| 11:19.19 | c0ded | so it says 'you got new mail |
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| 11:19.20 | c0ded | " |
| 11:19.28 | c0ded | in anyway possible? |
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| 11:20.11 | c0ded | i mean i suppose i could code a bash or python script that chks if the file size chanaged ever min and if so announce it, but id like to do with exim4 settings/config |
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| 11:20.30 | c0ded | and also what abotu sending it to /var/mail/root instead of /var/mail/mail? |
| 11:20.36 | c0ded | but the announce is the main thing |
| 11:21.24 | c0ded | i only use it localy on my server, not to recieve any mail from outside the server,, just for services to send mail to root and/or other users and have it go to /var/mailusername, and announce it |
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| 11:23.19 | c0ded | tyvm for any help/suggestions :) |
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| 11:39.48 | skilz | Will nautilus-dropbox allow me to login to my dropbox account and access my files? |
| 11:42.01 | c0ded | i know u can do it, idk if that will do it, but i run !# a deb based distro fo my desktop, and it has in its menu an option for "insall dropbox" so obv that would work if i ran it |
| 11:42.09 | c0ded | just have no interest in running it |
| 11:42.10 | abrotman | skilz: try it and see .. |
| 11:42.33 | c0ded | or maybe google "crunchbang what does it install when it installs dropbox app" |
| 11:42.44 | c0ded | and the cb forum will prob have someone say what is used |
| 11:42.48 | abrotman | c0ded: wrong channel, this isn't Crunchbang |
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| 11:43.02 | c0ded | i know lol, but it uses all the same deb packages |
| 11:43.06 | abrotman | no, they don't |
| 11:43.23 | c0ded | not eevry single one, but most them are from the deb wheezy repos |
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| 11:43.38 | c0ded | and almost everything ive installed on it came from those not the cb repo |
| 11:44.03 | c0ded | it was just an idea, cuz it prob wil say what was used to get dropbox app to work on cb and prob be a debian thing as well |
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| 11:44.48 | c0ded | just an idea to see what the package is that is installed, might be pure deb package, just an idea mate, sry didnt mean to say cb is deb |
| 11:44.58 | c0ded | im a deb guy for life, love, run it on everything |
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| 11:45.41 | c0ded | but wanted to try cb for a desktop ditro for fun, and notices it has just almost everythign deb but the basic cb stuff that comes with it, the custom openbox setup and shit, even that is still using the same openbox that ud get if u insalled it on deb |
| 11:45.46 | c0ded | but yea deb4life |
| 11:45.54 | c0ded | brb |
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| 11:46.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell c0ded about ot |
| 11:46.28 | c0ded | i know about it, i was just giving a suggestion to find some package names |
| 11:46.35 | c0ded | i wasnt trying to talk off topic |
| 11:46.39 | c0ded | ill just shutup lol |
| 11:46.40 | c0ded | sry |
| 11:47.11 | timthelion | I tried adding wheezy-backports contrib, and symantic shows it as containing only like 10 packages(and not the ones I want :( ) Any idea what might be going on? I tried both ftp.cz.debian.org and ftp.debian.org with the same results |
| 11:47.35 | abrotman | timthelion: which packages do you want? |
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| 11:47.44 | abrotman | (and please don't use ftp.debian.org) |
| 11:47.54 | timthelion | abrotman: virtualbox 4.3.10 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/virtualbox |
| 11:47.58 | average | abrotman: what's wrong with ftp.debian.org ? |
| 11:48.10 | abrotman | average: you sohuldn't use it, it's not recommended. |
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| 11:48.17 | timthelion | abrotman: I wasn't planning on using ftp.debian.org for heavy traffic, just to test if it wasn't a problem with ftp.cz.debian.org ;) |
| 11:48.19 | average | ah, then maybe it should be shut down.. |
| 11:48.37 | abrotman | average: They probably should, would keep folks like you from using it |
| 11:48.52 | abrotman | average: you should use http.debian.net or pick a mirror near you from the list debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 11:49.13 | abrotman | timthelion: aptitude update;apt-cache policy virtualbox |
| 11:49.18 | abrotman | timthelion: put that in paste.debian.net |
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| 11:52.34 | average | abrotman: but I did not claim I am using ftp.debian.org (perhaps it was a misquote on your side) |
| 11:52.44 | timthelion | abrotman: funny thing, is that it shows up there, just not in synaptic... http://paste.debian.net/100379/ |
| 11:52.57 | abrotman | timthelion: you're not required to use synaptic |
| 11:53.25 | abrotman | timthelion: I'm not sure how synaptic handles package priorities, if at all (I don't use it) |
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| 11:54.15 | average | s/it was a misquote on your side/you misread what I said/ |
| 11:54.16 | c0ded | badly on deb abrotman |
| 11:54.19 | timthelion | abrotman: actually, it seems I can install it via command line. I had expected it synaptic to just work and didn't even try apt-get |
| 11:54.27 | c0ded | its ok on on *buntus |
| 11:55.04 | c0ded | but seems to miss dependencies sometimes on deb using synapic, and priorities |
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| 11:56.36 | c0ded | kinda seems more of a *buntu tool then a deb one but i might be bias a bit too,been doing nix adming for some many yrs on cli deb, thats how i do everything when it comes to packages or compiling new installs, i guess im kinda anti gui for some stuff even on desktop distro setups, i still normally just use the terminal lol |
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| 11:58.06 | rjsalts | synaptic is older than ubuntu |
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| 11:59.04 | timthelion | synaptic is definitely not an ubuntu thing. Doesn't ubuntu have it's own software storish thing now? |
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| 11:59.49 | abrotman | c0ded: Do you need help? |
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| 12:00.57 | c0ded | i just mean it worked better on buntu |
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| 12:01.07 | c0ded | not that its fori t, and not that its not older, i know its older |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | c0ded: that's not really helpful related to my questoin .. |
| 12:01.14 | c0ded | its been arond for a long ass time |
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| 12:02.30 | c0ded | sigh, sry for trying to help someone, wtf, ive used deb most my life, i get how it works, i was just saying maybe to trys omething other then synaptic |
| 12:02.50 | c0ded | dont worry, i wont talk again </end> |
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| 12:32.09 | junka | hello, how can i have m$ fonts in debian? |
| 12:32.48 | rozie | junka: ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 12:32.48 | wols | ,v ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 12:32.49 | judd | Package: ttf-mscorefonts-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 3.3; wheezy/contrib: 3.4+nmu1; jessie/contrib: 3.5; sid/contrib: 3.5 |
| 12:33.02 | wols | junka: with that |
| 12:33.27 | junka | ah thanks rozie and wols |
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| 12:38.38 | Matteo04 | Hello everyone! Is there a bug in all Linux distrubutions with NVIDIA GeForce FX Series (5xxx...)? I have 2 video cards that actually work in Windows but not with Linux because every window i open it's totally covered with blue... Unity (ubuntu) makes the screen totally black with only the pointer for example. Sorry for the ignorance and my bad english because I'm Italian. |
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| 12:39.08 | wols | Matteo04: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
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| 12:39.18 | Matteo04 | Now debian |
| 12:39.28 | wols | Matteo04: and which videochip driver? |
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| 12:39.46 | Matteo04 | Videochip? |
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| 12:40.06 | Matteo04 | wols: so sorry |
| 12:40.09 | wols | which driver for your FX videochip? |
| 12:40.12 | wols | !it |
| 12:40.12 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:40.33 | Matteo04 | oh, i change channel |
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| 12:49.54 | SimonB_ | Hey, I just installed 'lm-sensors' and ran 'sensors-detect'. But running 'sensors' only gives me a info about an unused PCI adapter, any ideas on getting it working? |
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| 12:50.43 | wols | google for your inteded hardware (mainboard, etc) |
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| 12:50.57 | wols | might need special settings |
| 12:51.19 | SimonB_ | got the output here: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/3b14397f |
| 12:51.28 | SimonB_ | which part? |
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| 12:56.46 | wols | the special settings depend on your sensor chip and mainboard |
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| 13:08.47 | SimonB_ | wols: got it working, thx |
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| 13:17.00 | eugenmayer | hello. Having a wheezy ovz with a ipv6 IP only, is there a way to "tunnel" for ipv4 so i can access ipv4 hosts ( important esp for apt updates ) |
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| 13:19.16 | abrotman | There are Ipv6 apt hosts available |
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| 13:19.37 | eugenmayer | abrotman: yes, for debian packages, but not for "turnkey" in that regard |
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| 13:21.15 | abrotman | eugenmayer: Turnkey the distro ? |
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| 13:21.56 | eugenmayer | abrotman: well its basically just a website to download vz container. In my case magento on wheezy. For me this are only test-drives with ipv6. |
| 13:22.26 | petern_ | try an ipv6 http proxy |
| 13:22.38 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i dont think the turnkey guys change something on the distro, right? ( not sure though, i dont really care, since after the testing i delete those vz and use a fresh debian 7 vz for the production env ) |
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| 13:23.17 | abrotman | eugenmayer: yes, they do |
| 13:23.39 | eugenmayer | abrotman: good to know. Nevermind, my question is really far more debian related then this VM :) |
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| 13:24.08 | ted20 | Where's Clipboard (perl module)? |
| 13:24.10 | eugenmayer | abrotman: i have right now right 50 squeeze KVM boxes which should end up, mostly, as wheezy boxes with ipv6 |
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| 13:26.33 | average | ted20: where is Clipboard hmm.. |
| 13:27.10 | average | ted20: libtext-clip-perl ? |
| 13:27.30 | average | ted20: "Description: module to clip and extract text in clipboard-like way" |
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| 13:28.09 | average | ah no, not the right module |
| 13:28.42 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 13:28.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:29.44 | eugenmayer | petern_: you mean in general for apt? |
| 13:29.44 | average | ted20: Since you're using Debian, the Clipboard module uses xclip under the hood(just a note). https://metacpan.org/source/KING/Clipboard-0.13/lib/Clipboard/Xclip.pm . As for packaging, I don't think it's already packaged. You may want to use dh-make-perl to package it if you want. |
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| 13:32.33 | ted20 | Simply I mean http://search.cpan.org/~king/Clipboard/ |
| 13:33.03 | petern_ | eugenmayer, whatever works, if it's only outbound connections that are problem. |
| 13:33.17 | average | ted20: so you want the Clipboard module from CPAN, is that correct? |
| 13:33.27 | average | ted20: use the cpan installer to install the Clipboard module. |
| 13:33.32 | eugenmayer | petern_: well incoming connections are ipv6 only allowed, i just want the server to be able to access ipv6 addresse also |
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| 13:34.31 | average | ted20: if it was packaged, you would find a package with the name libclipboard-perl that would provide it. However, it is not packaged, and therefore a package with that name does not exist. At least it does not exist on Debian Jessie. However, you may still search online(perhaps it is packaged for Ubuntu for example, and you may wish to use it from there) |
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| 13:39.54 | ted20 | Ehh fuck that |
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| 13:44.22 | bnnk | hello... I got a silly question, are there any web browsers for DEBIAN that use terminal style commands, similair to LYNX browser but with enabled flash/java (if possible) the idea is to have a web browser but most of the things are to be done using terminal style command... |
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| 13:46.26 | petn-randall | bnnk: You can install the vimperator plugin for firefox/iceweasel, but AFAIK there's no terminal browser that supports flash or java, most of them even don't do javascript. |
| 13:46.36 | r2rien | bnnk: firefox + vimperator addon https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimperator/ |
| 13:46.44 | petn-randall | r2rien: Beat you to it :P |
| 13:46.59 | bnnk | pterodactyl works as well ^_^ |
| 13:47.29 | r2rien | petn-randall: yep but I gave the link :)) |
| 13:47.44 | bnnk | is there a way to open a flash video or any video from a text browser to an external source? |
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| 13:48.07 | bnnk | like vlc browser? |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | download the video using a CLI util, then open it |
| 13:48.30 | bnnk | that way I can bypass the need for flash altogether, lynx for some reason |
| 13:48.38 | bnnk | (someone did suggest use wget etc...) |
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| 13:49.28 | bnnk | does lynx browser have a feature like that? or would I Need to open multiple terminals... |
| 13:49.49 | petn-randall | bnnk: Ok, let's go the other way round: What do you want to achieve in the end? Download flash videos to watch them later? |
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| 13:51.47 | bnnk | I want to use a browser using terminal style commands, the idea is to get used to using "commands" - the more I use it (web browsing, installing games, writing, converting (avconvffmpeg)) the better and easier it will be for me to learn lin commands in general... a training tool if you will |
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| 13:53.13 | petn-randall | bnnk: Eh, that won't get you more knowledge about the command line, since you won't be using the same commands for both, and you still need the background knowledge to work with the CLI. |
| 13:53.28 | bnnk | I know |
| 13:54.49 | bnnk | the idea is to get USED to using ANY commands, the more I use keyboard and commands instead of mouse etc the better and easier it is to learn lin... its like learning a foreign language, after you learn one language the others gets easier, so if I force myself to ONLY use command style controls, no matter which other commands I use the basic concept would be there |
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| 13:55.22 | Artemis3 | lynx doesnt work with any plugins. If you open a stream with lynx, you can save it but only if its delivered via http and not flash etc. |
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| 13:55.56 | petn-randall | bnnk: The reason people prefer CLI is mostly because you only need the keyboard (and no mouse), so you can keep your hands on the keyboard at all times and type stuff quickly. I don't think you can browse most web pages efficiently with keyboard only. |
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| 13:57.13 | Artemis3 | some browsers (even graphical) do allow full keyboard operation, but you need to learn all the keys. |
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| 13:58.28 | bnnk | atermis3 its not the keyboard commands I am looking for |
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| 13:59.48 | Artemis3 | i can tell you there are browsers with "vim style" control, such as xombrero ie :cmd |
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| 14:00.16 | flux242 | Artemis3: there's a plugin for firefox |
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| 14:00.26 | Artemis3 | yah that too |
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| 14:01.40 | bnnk | xombrero? |
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| 14:02.03 | Artemis3 | bnnk, imo just use the "terminal" because browsers are programs and programs each use different styles, even if they are text only (ie lynx vs w3m) |
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| 14:02.44 | bnnk | I know... people never understand me so forget it... thanks for the help anyways, pointed me in some direction |
| 14:02.48 | Artemis3 | bnnk, when you say you want to get used to the terminal perhaps bash? well use the terminal directly |
| 14:03.32 | Artemis3 | bnnk, man command, or info command points you to the right direction, learn to browse folders, copy files, etc. JUST USE IT. |
| 14:03.46 | Artemis3 | it doesn't bite you know |
| 14:04.35 | Artemis3 | bnnk, well you might accidentally delete stuff, have a test machine for playing (virtual is fine). |
| 14:05.31 | bnnk | I do use it... I was HOPING for a SOFTWARE that does the SAME thing but WEB BROWSING.... the idea is to get familiar with using CLIs of ANY kind... if you learned a second language even if it 100% different from another (say French and German) then a 3rd language will be much easier to learn, since I web browse a lot I was hoping for a browser that forced me into the mentality of CLI use |
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| 14:06.19 | bnnk | kinda like using IRC Instead of modern day crappy chats (msn,yahoo) |
| 14:06.26 | Artemis3 | once you open a browser you are using the browser, i think a text adventure game might serve you better |
| 14:07.14 | eugenmayer | bnnk: you would also try to drive a car by CLI i guess. |
| 14:07.23 | bnnk | look like I said no one seems to understand me (might be my bad english) so just forget it and thank you for the help |
| 14:07.25 | eugenmayer | CLI is not always the most natural interface to a interaction. |
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| 14:07.59 | bnnk | eugenmayer... being a smartass does not help |
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| 14:08.46 | eugenmayer | CLI is always good when you can control/expect the enviroment to be very similar. Thats not the case for cars, because enviroment is to huge (galaxy wise) to be described using cli, same goes for the web |
| 14:08.55 | Artemis3 | well in the 80ies using a cli was common, but its been fading and newer generations were born with gui (tho the gui is rather old, but only in the 90ies it started becoming common) |
| 14:09.27 | eugenmayer | bnnk: my advice is just, use the CLI for things, which feel very natural being controlled by that. But dont enforace a pattern to anything you do - this is, in most cases, a bad idea |
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| 14:09.39 | Artemis3 | ie. the game of thrones guy using wordstar :) |
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| 14:09.55 | bnnk | eugenmayer... what if I like using CLI style controls? |
| 14:10.09 | wols | bnnk: they don't work well for browsers however |
| 14:10.18 | Artemis3 | bnnk, there are many cli apps you can play with, media players, text editors, browsers |
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| 14:10.32 | bnnk | Artemis3 - I know I use a lot ^^ |
| 14:10.40 | eugenmayer | bnnk: then you should hope that other people do the same for the specific domain, writing software for you which is controlled by CLI. |
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| 14:10.44 | bnnk | I would like to use one for web browsing hence the post |
| 14:10.51 | eugenmayer | use lynx |
| 14:11.33 | bnnk | eugenmayer I am |
| 14:11.51 | eugenmayer | awesome, now visit a emberjs website! |
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| 14:13.56 | SynrG | ptero...? itym pentadactyl. |
| 14:14.08 | SynrG | bnnk: ^^ :) |
| 14:14.28 | bnnk | ^_^ |
| 14:14.32 | SynrG | and has your question been answered? |
| 14:14.36 | bnnk | I was almost right |
| 14:14.58 | bnnk | I am not sure they understood me, got a lot of advice looking into it now |
| 14:15.15 | Artemis3 | whats your native language? |
| 14:15.16 | SynrG | k. i use pentadactyl and am happy with it. |
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| 14:15.38 | SynrG | seems to address your problem, but if you already knew about that, not sure what you really meant. |
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| 14:16.21 | bnnk | pentadactyl uses KEY commands not CLI (From what I gather) |
| 14:16.22 | themill | there are bonus points for answering your own question though |
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| 14:16.39 | eugenmayer | i guess there is not emacs plugin for ff, since emacs is most probably a browser? since its a OS? |
| 14:16.40 | eugenmayer | :) |
| 14:16.41 | Artemis3 | debian comes with w3m but there are more browsers you can try |
| 14:16.45 | wols | ,v vino |
| 14:16.46 | judd | Package: vino on i386 -- squeeze: 2.28.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.28.2-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.4.2-1+b1; jessie: 3.12.0-1; sid: 3.12.0-1 |
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| 14:17.02 | eugenmayer | is there a heper-package to tunnel ipv4 over ipv6? |
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| 14:17.25 | Artemis3 | miredo ? |
| 14:17.37 | Artemis3 | oh wait thats the other way |
| 14:17.47 | SynrG | bnnk: so you want to ... remotely control the browser from the cli? |
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| 14:17.50 | Artemis3 | ipv6 over ipv4 :) |
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| 14:18.42 | bnnk | SynrG - Remotely (as in from another computer?) no... I just want to browse the net using CLI controls |
| 14:18.59 | SynrG | usually the elements of the web page are only properly identified by looking at the web page. so having to *leave* the web browser and type commands elsewhere is an extra step |
| 14:19.15 | SynrG | no, not 'as in from another computer' |
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| 14:19.40 | SynrG | from your command shell is 'remote' inasmuch as you are not in your web browser at that time |
| 14:19.55 | themill | bnnk: you might like to define what you mean by CLI and how you think this might work |
| 14:19.58 | SynrG | so the browser needs to support some conduit for receiving commands from the cli |
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| 14:20.23 | SynrG | that is possible, but not very usable for regular web browsing for the reason i mentioned |
| 14:20.51 | SynrG | it is also possible, via selenium webdriver, for example, to fully script-control a web browser ... |
| 14:21.03 | SynrG | but that's more useful for automated testing than actual daily use by an end-user. |
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| 14:21.38 | bnnk | themill - instead of pressing "reload page" or pressing "cntrl+r" I was hoping I had to type some silly command "R -page "www.example.com") the idea is to USE commands instead of GUI or keybindings |
| 14:22.29 | themill | because «R -page www.example.com» is much more fun that ^R. |
| 14:22.52 | bnnk | yes ^_^ |
| 14:23.04 | bnnk | yes it is... |
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| 14:24.54 | daniel31 | Hi all. I tried to add a directory to a zip file using terminal and gzip -r output.zip directory/ but it zipped all the files in place then unlinked the originals. how can I a) dezip each file recursively and b) zip the entire directory instead? |
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| 14:25.41 | wols | gzip and zip doesn't mix. totally different things |
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| 14:26.52 | daniel31 | yeah I realise that now.. |
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| 14:29.22 | wols | daniel31: zip and unzip exist in debian. so does xarchiver, 7-zip, etc |
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| 14:34.23 | daniel31 | thanks wols |
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| 14:44.08 | bnnk | so Vimperator or pentadactyl? which is best and why the split |
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| 14:48.44 | SynrG | my undrestanding is vimperator is no longer maintained and pentadactyl supercedes it |
| 14:48.48 | SynrG | understanding* |
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| 14:50.40 | bnnk | I am making pancakes whilst browsing on debiant... I could never do that with windows |
| 14:50.55 | SynrG | hm, i guess it is: https://code.google.com/p/vimperator-labs/source/browse/vimperator/NEWS |
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| 14:55.42 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 14:56.57 | Azrael_- | i need to recode a shoucast stream from aac+ to mp3 but can't find a tool which could do this for me. can you give me a hint how i could accomplish this? |
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| 14:57.28 | dvs | Azrael_-: you have the AUDACITY to ask this?!? ;-) |
| 14:57.36 | bnnk | azreal |
| 14:57.52 | bnnk | azrael avconv or ffmpeg (they are both the same basically) |
| 14:57.58 | bnnk | commands are plenty and simple |
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| 14:59.06 | bnnk | azrael - ffmpeg/avconv(pickone of them) -i FILENAME.ac3 -acodec libmp3lame -ar 48000 -ab 256k -ac 2 NEWFILENAME.mp3 |
| 14:59.41 | Azrael_- | bnnk: for the normal recoding you're right. my problem is, i need to do this on the fly with a shoutcast-server as input and then send the ouput also again to another shoutcast server |
| 14:59.41 | eugenmayer | Artemis3: yes, ipv4 over ipv6 is what iam looking for, mostly i guess you get ipv6 over ipv4 |
| 15:00.13 | bnnk | that is too complex for me, I am still in nappies as a debian user |
| 15:00.16 | bnnk | good luck though |
| 15:00.26 | Azrael_- | thanks |
| 15:00.26 | eugenmayer | azizLIGHTS: http://handbrake.fr/ |
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| 15:00.55 | eugenmayer | for a live-stream? maybe use a media-server for that |
| 15:01.04 | azizLIGHTS | thanks eugenmayer |
| 15:01.06 | ruukasu | is there any way to install packages from a PPA on debian? |
| 15:01.22 | eugenmayer | azizLIGHTS: oops, sorry. Was for Azrael_- |
| 15:01.36 | eugenmayer | ruukasu: uuuuh, wrong question! |
| 15:01.53 | ruukasu | ? |
| 15:02.03 | Azrael_- | eugenmayer: yeah, i'm searching for light-weight solution for this |
| 15:02.20 | eugenmayer | Azrael_-: absolutely no clue, sorry :0 |
| 15:03.00 | Azrael_- | thanks anyway. getting a perfect answer for my question would have been too much luck |
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| 15:15.48 | _1_frank007 | See this image: http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/716/19qf.jpg |
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| 15:28.22 | critter | Hi, I want to locally backup about 2TB of files. I need those files to get copied without errors, should I use "cp" or "rsyc" ? |
| 15:28.38 | woozsi | I have messed up completely the panel xfce panel. How can I get the default one again? |
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| 15:29.04 | zykotick9 | critter: my vote is with rsync |
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| 15:29.48 | critter | zykotick9: ok thanks, there is a specific sugestion on what rsync options should I use? |
| 15:30.24 | zykotick9 | critter: from memory (YOU should verify!) -auv |
| 15:30.37 | critter | zykotick9: thanks a lot |
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| 15:57.53 | _Tristan | Hi. I'm trying to unpack a deb, change a file, and pack it back up again. So far I've learned about "dpkg --unpack" but I can't figure out how to put it back together. Anybody know? |
| 15:58.48 | wols | _Tristan: debs are packed with ar |
| 15:59.21 | wols | _Tristan: the proper way to do what you want is apt-get source <package> , patch it and then build the package again |
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| 16:00.20 | _Tristan | ar seems to be what I'm looking for. Unfortunately, your solution isn't relevant for what I'm doing. |
| 16:00.53 | jelly-home | critter: rsync, flush cache, rsync again with --checksum and using remote access (ssh to localhost) |
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| 16:01.23 | dysoco | Hello, I've a Debian 7.5 XFCE CD, but I don't want to install XFCE at all, only a basic server Debian... is there some option to do that? |
| 16:01.27 | wols | it definitely is relevant and the proper one :) |
| 16:02.00 | jelly-home | dysoco: sure, do not pick the "desktop" task at installation time |
| 16:02.06 | wols | dysoco: yes. at the end of the installation, tasksel is run. do not chose "desktop environment" and no xfce will be installed in your installation. I suggest you only use the "standard" task and ntohing else |
| 16:02.09 | dysoco | oh so it gives me an option |
| 16:02.21 | dysoco | is that aviable in text-mode too? |
| 16:02.35 | wols | yes |
| 16:02.38 | dysoco | great, thanks. |
| 16:03.25 | jelly-home | you could deselect all the tasks including "standard" for a barebone minimal system |
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| 16:03.43 | jelly-home | the result is called a "base system" or "base installation" |
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| 16:12.47 | gentoox_ | how unstable is the testing branch of debian? |
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| 16:13.16 | centrx | gentoox_, It changes every day but the software is not especially buggy |
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| 16:14.42 | abrotman | gentoox_: it depends on which packages you use and your definition of unstable |
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| 16:23.23 | gentoox_ | abrotman: my defination is that the bugs in it are very limited and cause the package to unsuable for small amount of time only |
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| 16:26.11 | jelly-home | gentoox_: they are not very limited; anything can be broken at any given time, but often isn't. The small amount of time can be until the next upload, or weeks |
| 16:26.34 | gentoox_ | jelly-home: ok |
| 16:26.42 | Brigo | Hi, can anyone help me wiht a issue about usb sticks not mounting? |
| 16:27.03 | Brigo | i was looking for google and try some fixes, but not luck. |
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| 16:27.28 | Brigo | The issues started after upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 16:28.10 | Brigo | and i am using mate, may be i could try another DE like xfce or so ... |
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| 16:32.09 | petn-randall | Brigo: Mate isn't in Wheezy. |
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| 16:32.45 | Brigo | yes, i aa istalling gnome, only for testing. |
| 16:32.50 | Brigo | s/aa/am |
| 16:33.35 | centrx | Brigo, If you have mate installed on wheezy, you may have a bunch of third-party packages or bad package versions installed on your system |
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| 16:34.18 | Brigo | damn, gnome is installing apache. I really hate it. |
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| 16:36.56 | centrx | Brigo, You can instead use KDE, XFCE, LXDE, ... |
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| 16:37.26 | Brigo | kde install mysql, xfce, lxde are better choises, of course :) |
| 16:37.30 | musca | well choosing the right metapackage is the trick |
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| 16:37.42 | Brigo | but i am installing gnome3 only for test. |
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| 16:43.19 | mamtina | hello ! |
| 16:43.27 | mamtina | my <C-alt-F1.....F6> are not working :'( |
| 16:43.33 | mamtina | and my videos don't want to be played on fullscreen :( |
| 16:43.54 | mamtina | do you have clue |
| 16:43.55 | mamtina | ? |
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| 16:46.43 | scshunt | mamtina: at a terminal, does "sudo chvt 1" do anything? |
| 16:46.59 | scshunt | and if so, does alt-F7 get you back? |
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| 16:48.40 | mamtina | it blocked my screen scshunt, what that means ... |
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| 16:50.43 | Brigo | well, gnome can mount it, so i think it to must be mate related. |
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| 16:53.34 | petn-randall | Brigo: Why should gnome3 pull in apache?! Either way, you're not running Debian packages, and should ask for support from wherever you got those packages from. |
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| 16:58.46 | arthurfiggis | petn-randall: that's a weird one alright...i installed debian stable again today and i don't remember having to install apache2 until i was ready to set my web server up again :) |
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| 17:00.58 | ArexR | petn-randall: wheres PTFE-Randall? :P |
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| 17:02.41 | abrotman | petn-randall: it doesn't install apache, it installs apache2-bin |
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| 17:07.52 | ArexR | PETN PTFE PETE :D |
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| 17:11.22 | louisdk | I can to compare a list of installed packages with a list of default installed packages when you do a minimal debian install |
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| 17:13.16 | petn-randall | ArexR: Meh. Not even a the same class of chemicals. |
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| 17:13.54 | ArexR | petn-randall: yeah I know :P |
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| 17:14.53 | ArexR | petn-randall: I like ANFO |
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| 17:18.48 | ArexR | petn-randall: although petn has about 2x the detonation velocity vs anfo lol |
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| 17:21.35 | ArexR | Octanitrocubane has a detonation velocity of 10,100m/s but gram for gram it is more expensive than gold... |
| 17:21.55 | petn-randall | ArexR: I see, let's continue this on #debian-offtopic though ;) |
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| 17:23.10 | ted20 | How set vim.tiny as default? |
| 17:23.55 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I see if the PPA is compiled into the kernel of my little ARM board? |
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| 17:34.03 | arthurfiggis | anyone know offhand how you would change the default shell for a given user from the command line? i haven't seen any option in gnome to change it yet...i'd like to have a user that can sftp without having a shell to login with, just for sharing files between pc's :) |
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| 17:37.02 | CyberSix | chsh? |
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| 17:39.58 | spyder | i have a debian wheezy install disk but i want the testing version is there a way to give this info at the time of installing |
| 17:40.31 | centrx | spyder, Do a minimal install, then upgrade to testing |
| 17:40.32 | spyder | instead of having to change the wheezy to jessy in sources.list after installation |
| 17:40.53 | spyder | centrx: how to do a minimal install? |
| 17:40.54 | centrx | spyder, You have to get through the minimal base install |
| 17:41.09 | spyder | centrx: ok |
| 17:41.22 | centrx | spyder, I think just don't choose to install anything else |
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| 17:42.28 | spyder | centrx: ok will try it |
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| 17:59.42 | dysoco | So I'm installing from a USB stick, and the Debian installer is asking me for the CD-ROM drive where the media is... however it won't let me point to /dev/sdb1 or anything, any ideas what to do? |
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| 18:02.46 | hypfer | hi. I have a tearing problem with debian wheezy and fullscreen videos |
| 18:02.50 | mtn | dysoco: you probably used unetbootin to make the usb. make it with dd or cp, instead |
| 18:02.55 | hypfer | I'm running the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 18:03.07 | hypfer | and glxgears states that its running with vsync |
| 18:03.08 | dysoco | mtn, agh I don't have a linux box here |
| 18:03.14 | hypfer | however even glxgears still tears |
| 18:03.15 | mtn | dysoco: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:03.17 | hypfer | which sucks hard. |
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| 18:03.25 | mtn | dysoco: there is a dd for windows, too |
| 18:04.12 | ArexR | dysoco: are you the same dysoco from geekshed? |
| 18:04.21 | dysoco | yeah |
| 18:04.25 | ArexR | oh |
| 18:04.28 | ArexR | hi |
| 18:05.04 | dysoco | oh aren't you Yoda? |
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| 18:05.21 | ArexR | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
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| 18:05.37 | ArexR | dysoco: aka spock :P |
| 18:05.43 | dysoco | ah yeah :P |
| 18:06.18 | ArexR | dysoco: I actually lost yoda, someone else took it a month ago or so |
| 18:06.48 | dysoco | yeah but I couldn't remember your new nick |
| 18:06.49 | ArexR | dysoco: but im the original yoda of geekshed |
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| 18:08.03 | ArexR | dysoco: if you are looking for dd on windows: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 18:08.13 | Almtesh | I think I made a mistake… |
| 18:08.16 | dysoco | which bs should I use to burn the iso? |
| 18:08.46 | ArexR | dysoco: wait what are you burning it to? a CD? |
| 18:08.46 | Almtesh | I have a lvm and one of the lv contains a msdos partition table. |
| 18:08.54 | dysoco | no, a USB |
| 18:09.10 | dysoco | I'll just not specifiy the bs |
| 18:09.18 | ArexR | dysoco: bs=1M |
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| 18:09.26 | dysoco | oh OK |
| 18:09.35 | Almtesh | To manipulate this, I started partprobe to mount partitions on the msdos table. |
| 18:09.44 | ArexR | dysoco: NO! if you dont specify it, it will take years to write the image :P |
| 18:09.51 | dysoco | oh OK, thanks then :P |
| 18:10.00 | Almtesh | And now, I can't reverse the process. |
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| 18:10.42 | dysoco | I can run 'dd' without problems, but if I do 'dd Downloads\debian-7.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso of=\\.\f: bs=1M' it says 'dd command not found' |
| 18:10.50 | dysoco | aagh |
| 18:10.53 | dysoco | forgot the if |
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| 18:20.44 | akp | is there no bonding module in the network install? |
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| 18:52.09 | Almtesh | OK, let's reboot. |
| 18:52.16 | Almtesh | Thanks for the help. |
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| 18:56.04 | junkass | hi, why does libreoffice is still 4.1.5 in debian testing? |
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| 18:57.18 | centrx | junkass, http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=libreoffice |
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| 18:57.52 | centrx | junkass, Although 4.1.5 is not in testing, testing has 4.1.6rc2 |
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| 18:59.24 | junkass | centrx, right thanks |
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| 19:07.05 | GladiaTeur | hi all |
| 19:07.23 | GladiaTeur | can someone help me to resolve this problem when installing neostats in debian |
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| 19:07.36 | GladiaTeur | https://dpaste.de/bGy9/raw |
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| 19:08.53 | wols | GladiaTeur: install libperl-dev |
| 19:09.03 | GladiaTeur | ok |
| 19:09.19 | wols | next time. use packages.debian.org to find out what package brings in "libperl.so" |
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| 19:09.59 | babilen | (or apt-file) |
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| 19:11.57 | SpaceKookie | btw I never payed much attention but what's the difference between Hibernate and Suspend? :p |
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| 19:12.30 | GladiaTeur | i do apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 19:12.32 | GladiaTeur | what next |
| 19:12.56 | GladiaTeur | https://dpaste.de/QpFT/raw |
| 19:13.46 | centrx | GladiaTeur, Try the compile again and see what the next error is. Or, go back and look at the Install notes for this software to see what dependencies it needs and install those before hand instead of finding them by trial and error. |
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| 19:15.27 | GladiaTeur | ok i will compile again with command ./configure is the first step of installation neostats |
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| 19:28.04 | critter | Hi I want to create encrypted lvm partition, as debian installer does, but manually. Can you tell me how? |
| 19:28.04 | GladiaTeur | same error |
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| 19:28.51 | filenox | i've got some isues with netatalk 3, in the /etc/afp.conf file is said "afp port = 9999" but when i execute lsof -Pnl +M -i4 | grep afpd it says it's listening on port 548? |
| 19:28.53 | GladiaTeur | https://dpaste.de/FuGL/raw |
| 19:29.20 | petn-randall | critter: You'll need to use cryptsetup for LUKS, and pvcreate/vgcreate/lvcreate for LVM. Best you read a primer about it and then the man pages. |
| 19:29.29 | centrx | GladiaTeur, That's a different error message... |
| 19:29.46 | GladiaTeur | ah ok |
| 19:30.24 | critter | petn-randall, ok thx! |
| 19:30.42 | GladiaTeur | how can resolve this another error |
| 19:31.23 | centrx | GladiaTeur, /lib/.libs/libneostats.so: undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' |
| 19:32.00 | GladiaTeur | yes centrx but i don't understand it |
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| 19:33.04 | centrx | GladiaTeur, It's probably similar to the last one: missing a necessary library |
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| 19:35.46 | average | critter: what have you tried so far ? |
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| 19:35.55 | zykotick9 | SpaceKookie: Hibernate copies RAM to swap then powers down, Suspend just goes to a very low power usage (but requires power to maintain) |
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| 20:20.19 | sunbeam | how can I get the UID and GID of a user Thats not added to /etc/passwd |
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| 20:20.49 | sgnut | Does anyone know how the CPU.shares of each user can be limited (e.g. 10℅) without creating a cgroup for each user? |
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| 20:25.39 | sgnut | Sorry, has some on a answered my question? |
| 20:26.12 | Gabi- | anyone used justcloud on debian ? |
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| 20:28.23 | galex-713 | sgnut: no |
| 20:28.52 | sgnut | galex-713: OK thanks |
| 20:28.53 | galex-713 | (I mean, no nobody answered your question) |
| 20:29.00 | galex-713 | you’re welcome :) |
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| 20:29.36 | sgnut | So... Is there anyone familiarised with cgroups? |
| 20:30.38 | galex-713 | It doesn’t seems so… maybe on some Linux-specific channel? |
| 20:30.43 | galex-713 | *seem |
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| 20:31.33 | sunbeam | I've added a subdomain on my domain.com host |
| 20:31.37 | sunbeam | sub.domain.com |
| 20:31.43 | sunbeam | in my webadmin |
| 20:31.45 | abrotman | You own domain.com ? |
| 20:31.49 | sunbeam | do I need to register this somewhere ? |
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| 20:31.52 | sunbeam | example.com |
| 20:32.22 | abrotman | In your DNS you have to |
| 20:32.28 | sgnut | galex-713: cgroups is a general concept... I don't know any Linux specific channel where I can find the answer |
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| 20:33.18 | galex-713 | sgnut: I neither, you can look up with /list |
| 20:33.21 | galex-713 | I found ##linux |
| 20:33.37 | OverSpeed301 | sunbeam : you have to create the DNS record, and, if you want, create a virtual host for this subdomain |
| 20:34.04 | galex-713 | There’s also ##kernel |
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| 20:34.16 | galex-713 | sgnut: ^ |
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| 20:36.34 | dysoco | when is the Rune Page Sale? |
| 20:36.46 | dysoco | err, wrong channel |
| 20:37.22 | corpcomp | I thought I would ask here first: I'm having difficulty getting mono runing on wheezy. When I goto an asp site all it wants to do is download the Default.aspx. I've obviously missed something but can't seem to work out what. |
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| 20:42.56 | sssll | hi all ive been trying to install an ancient irc services package neostats |
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| 20:43.05 | sssll | gettin this all the time |
| 20:43.07 | sssll | https://dpaste.de/HS3w |
| 20:43.23 | sssll | it seems a perl issue |
| 20:43.36 | sssll | if im not wrong ? |
| 20:43.45 | sssll | i installed perl lib |
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| 20:45.31 | galex-713 | What do you recommand to watch images? Something graphical, KISS and UNIX, lighter than eo[gm] |
| 20:45.36 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I check to see if PPA is installed in my kernel? |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: if what? |
| 20:46.07 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, hey man, long time! |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | galex-713: eog is pretty light |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | galex-713: also a light tool named feh |
| 20:46.23 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, I'm working on a BeagleBone, and I need the GPIO support installed. |
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| 20:46.35 | ompaul | Jeeves_Moss: we don't do ppa in debian never have |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: I'm not sure what that has to do with PPA |
| 20:46.46 | Jeeves_Moss | one sec |
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| 20:47.12 | teraflops | galex-713: feh? gpicview? |
| 20:47.21 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, sorry, that should have been PPS |
| 20:47.23 | galex-713 | thx |
| 20:47.37 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: do you not have /boot/config-$(uname -r) ? |
| 20:47.45 | Jeeves_Moss | one sec |
| 20:47.57 | Jeeves_Moss | doing an upgrade (fresh install) |
| 20:48.15 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, I installed it from BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.5-2014-05-15-2gb.img.xz |
| 20:48.40 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, nm, answered my question. it's listed on dmesg |
| 20:48.47 | abrotman | good deal |
| 20:49.13 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, yea. trying to do things on an ARM core is a totally new learning exp for me. |
| 20:49.37 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, as well as living with a 1Ghz CPU, 512Mb RAM, and 2Gb eMMC |
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| 20:50.08 | abrotman | Sounds like plenty of space |
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| 20:50.38 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, true, but I'm used to working on servers with 4+ cores, and 10s of Gb of RAM |
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| 20:51.36 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that reminds me .. |
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| 20:58.52 | n-st | is there any way to add custom mount options in the installer partition menu? |
| 20:59.22 | n-st | i've already selected the expert installer, but i still only get a list of predefined mount options
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| 20:59.46 | Arrowmaster | permanently or just for during the install? |
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| 21:00.49 | abrotman | n-st: yes, it's in there |
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| 21:01.26 | Arrowmaster | definitely there in the expert installer, ive never used the normal one |
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| 21:03.26 | n-st | Arrowmaster: permanently. i want to set 'subvol' on my btrfs root partittion |
| 21:05.04 | n-st | i've created and mounted the subvolume manually now; let's see if that works
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| 21:06.30 | n-st | looks like someone wants to get banned :) anyone around that could take care of "her"? |
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| 21:08.27 | abrotman | n-st: already taken care of |
| 21:08.36 | n-st | thanks |
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| 21:10.35 | n-st | okay, the manual partitioning didn't work
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| 21:11.30 | n-st | it should be enough to copy the stuff (fstab and all that) created by the installer's partition manager somewhere else and mount that as /target, right? |
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| 21:20.20 | jtreminio | Hi all. I'm wondering if it's possible to show a progress bar (or display dots ...) when running an apt-get command. Instead of showing all the text that comes with an install, I just want to show the status that gets displayed on the lower right corner |
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| 21:21.57 | br1ckd | doesn't aptitude show a bar? just run aptitude instead of apt-get, options are the same |
| 21:23.22 | br1ckd | if it doesnt show one by default, there's probably an option to do it |
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| 21:23.46 | jtreminio | br1ckd: http://pastie.org/9187773 |
| 21:23.48 | jtreminio | ah ok |
| 21:23.50 | jtreminio | checks |
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| 21:25.10 | jtreminio | it has -q, In command-line mode, suppress the incremental progress indicators. |
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| 21:25.27 | BartMan | Hello, guys. I need some help. Exactly what am I supposed to do when my netinstall is stuck on selecting a mirror? ALL mirrors are failing. |
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| 21:26.50 | BartMan | I can't install debian because of it. :( |
| 21:27.27 | br1ckd | jtreminio: I didn't see a progress bar option either, but it shows the percent complete, so you could probably pipe the output to another program that makes a progress bar like pv |
| 21:27.46 | teraflops | BartMan: do you have internet connectivity? |
| 21:27.54 | BartMan | teraflops: Yes, of course. :P |
| 21:28.05 | br1ckd | actually pv wouldnt work. I remember seeing one recently, I think it's used by the debian installer |
| 21:28.15 | teraflops | then that makes no sense for me |
| 21:28.27 | BartMan | teraflops: That's why I'm here. :( |
| 21:28.30 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:28.52 | galex-713 | gpicview <3 |
| 21:28.55 | br1ckd | jtreminio: sorry, can't remember what i's called |
| 21:28.58 | teraflops | BartMan: are you through a proxy= |
| 21:29.00 | teraflops | ? |
| 21:29.01 | br1ckd | *it's |
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| 21:29.07 | jtreminio | it's ok br1ckd, you've given me hope |
| 21:29.16 | BartMan | teraflops: Right now, yes. But not when I'm trying to install debian. |
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| 21:29.44 | BartMan | teraflops: At installation I use one of those ethernet cables and I'm the only PC on this network. |
| 21:29.56 | teraflops | BartMan: sure? |
| 21:30.02 | teraflops | sorry for asking |
| 21:30.04 | BartMan | teraflops: Yes, I live alone. :P |
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| 21:30.30 | BartMan | teraflops: Ask all you want, as long as it could help me. |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | BartMan: you can continue, you just get a base install |
| 21:30.43 | BartMan | I want to get rid of this filthy Ubuntu stuff. ;) |
| 21:30.49 | teraflops | i thought you used a direct connection bypassing the proxy thingy BartMan |
| 21:30.53 | BartMan | abrotman: I'm far too unexperienced. |
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| 21:31.08 | abrotman | BartMan: then plug the system into the modem |
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| 21:31.23 | br1ckd | jtreminio: you could also write a script if you really want to, shouldn't be too hard. python has a progress bar library |
| 21:31.28 | teraflops | galex-713: better that feh? why , because the gallery mode? |
| 21:31.33 | BartMan | abrotman: There's just one of those ethernet cables from my PC right into a whole in the wall. |
| 21:31.34 | teraflops | than* |
| 21:31.36 | BartMan | Nothing else. |
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| 21:31.49 | BartMan | teraflops: What do you mean? I don't even know how to use a proxy during installation. |
| 21:32.01 | BartMan | abrotman: hole* |
| 21:32.09 | teraflops | BartMan: try to change of console and do some ping when installing |
| 21:32.17 | abrotman | BartMan: Are you getting an IP address? |
| 21:32.23 | BartMan | teraflops: How? |
| 21:32.26 | abrotman | ping is a horrible test |
| 21:32.29 | BartMan | abrotman: I don't even know where to look. :/ |
| 21:32.53 | rryoumaa | feh is amazing, and a slightly different type of viewer from most of the rest |
| 21:32.54 | teraflops | abrotman: i gues he hasnt interet connections |
| 21:32.58 | teraflops | -s* |
| 21:33.06 | abrotman | BartMan: when it sets up the DHCP, it will tell you if the network worked |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | rryoumaa: not sure I'd call it amazing .. but it works well enough |
| 21:33.27 | BartMan | abrotman: I don't remember seeing anything about DHCP or errors about it. :O |
| 21:33.44 | abrotman | BartMan: how new is your hardware? |
| 21:33.54 | BartMan | abrotman: A few years old. Three or four? |
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| 21:34.00 | BartMan | I'd say three. |
| 21:34.24 | BartMan | i5-3450 and GTX 660 and stuff like that. |
| 21:34.32 | BartMan | abrotman: What do I do if DHCP fails? |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | BartMan: hit alt-f3, activate the console, type 'dmesg | grep eth' .. does it return anything? |
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| 21:34.55 | BartMan | abrotman: I can't test it right now (I wish I could). |
| 21:35.01 | BartMan | This is the only PC I got here. :( |
| 21:35.09 | BartMan | And it's on this PC that I want debian. |
| 21:35.52 | BartMan | What would I do if that command gives me an error? |
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| 21:36.34 | abrotman | it won't give an error |
| 21:37.05 | BartMan | I really want debian, but I can never get past choosing a mirror. |
| 21:37.08 | BartMan | I'm so tired of this. |
| 21:37.25 | galex-713 | teraflops: because it has a nicer background by default, center the image by default, allow zooming when still running |
| 21:38.02 | teraflops | sounds enough xD |
| 21:38.10 | galex-713 | I don’t care about the gallery mode, I prefer having several windows so my tiling wm let me navigate more comfortably |
| 21:38.35 | galex-713 | And eog by default don’t allow to run several instances |
| 21:38.50 | teraflops | im happy with feh using tiling too |
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| 21:39.34 | abrotman | BartMan: are you installing from CD or USB drive? |
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| 21:39.37 | galex-713 | Yeh but it doesn’t center and have an horrible backgroud by default, and I didn’t understand how to zoom on-the-fly |
| 21:39.42 | BartMan | abrotman: USB |
| 21:39.51 | galex-713 | s/on-the-fly/when running/ |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | BartMan: how big is it ? |
| 21:40.06 | teraflops | yeah it centers and yeah is so so ugly galex-713 |
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| 21:40.34 | BartMan | abrotman: The USB is around 16GB and I chose the netinstall that is around 280MB(?). |
| 21:40.37 | galex-713 | teraflops: ok, so just the zooming issue |
| 21:40.53 | flakedump | are there any debian mirrors that are on https? |
| 21:40.59 | abrotman | BartMan: use DVD1, then you can at least get a GUI if you can't get network ? |
| 21:41.05 | abrotman | flakedump: why would it matter? |
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| 21:41.21 | flakedump | abrotman: that is irrelevant |
| 21:41.30 | BartMan | abrotman: I guess I COULD try that, but I'd really like to solve this. |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | flakedump: easy enough to try them all, good luck |
| 21:41.36 | BartMan | abrotman: There's nothing I can try? |
| 21:41.57 | abrotman | BartMan: not without debugging info from your installation |
| 21:42.07 | BartMan | abrotman: Aww! :( |
| 21:42.21 | flakedump | does anyone know of a package manager that supports https? |
| 21:42.22 | weykent | if i have two interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a way to indicate which gateway should be the default route? right now it seems to be just picking eth0, when it's eth1's gateway i want to use by default |
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| 21:43.03 | BartMan | abrotman: Would this be worth a shot? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:43.17 | abrotman | sure, give it a try |
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| 21:43.39 | abrotman | flakedump: Besides apt? You mean you want another distro besides Debian? |
| 21:44.04 | BartMan | abrotman: I don't even know which one I would download. :P |
| 21:44.27 | abrotman | BartMan: ? what do you mean? |
| 21:44.43 | abrotman | BartMan: amd64 or i386? |
| 21:44.48 | flakedump | abrotman: i don't see any debian mirrors that support ssl, that's why I'm asking |
| 21:44.49 | BartMan | abrotman: There's 7.5.0-live+nonfree and 7.5.0 and lots of files inside them. |
| 21:45.01 | BartMan | I know amd64, but not the rest. |
| 21:45.05 | abrotman | flakedump: You're asking two different questoins ... |
| 21:45.23 | abrotman | BartMan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:45.53 | BartMan | abrotman: 100% sure? :P |
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| 21:46.04 | abrotman | BartMan: either try it or don't |
| 21:46.12 | BartMan | abrotman: I'll do it! |
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| 21:48.02 | BartMan | Thanks for the help. I'll give that .iso a try and hope it works. |
| 21:48.04 | BartMan | Bye. |
| 21:48.13 | flakedump | abrotman: what? |
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| 21:49.25 | abrotman | flakedump: you're asking if apt supports https, and then if there is a distro that is .. |
| 21:49.30 | abrotman | or rather, a package manager that does |
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| 21:50.00 | abrotman | so I asked you if you were looking for a distro other than Debian, or to find out if there is a dpkg-based package manager that supports https |
| 21:51.06 | flakedump | abrotman: i know you read my sentence perfectly and know what I am asking about but you refuse to help because you like being a dick |
| 21:51.07 | flakedump | abrotman: i am asking anyone but you because you don't help at all |
| 21:51.25 | abrotman | oh, okay .. though I know the answer .. have a nice day |
| 21:51.35 | flakedump | see i knew you did |
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| 21:53.19 | abrotman | I asked for clarification, you decided to argue with me. |
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| 21:54.13 | GladiaTeur | hi all i have another problem when installing apt-get install mysql-server mysql-common phpmyadmin |
| 21:54.22 | GladiaTeur | in debian https://dpaste.de/Tivu/raw |
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| 21:54.30 | n-st | i've configured my /etc/network/interfaces like this (http://paste.debian.net/hidden/af5484b6/), but i still need to run ip -6 route add default via 2001:db8:19::1 to be able to use ipv6 should the 'gateway' line take care of that? |
| 21:54.59 | n-st | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:55.26 | abrotman | n-st: which version of Debian? there were bugs in older versions |
| 21:55.33 | n-st | abrotman: 7.1 |
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| 21:56.04 | n-st | abrotman: sorry, 7.5 actually (according to /etc/debian_version) |
| 21:56.27 | n-st | i installed from a 7.1 cd, but it seems to have downloaded an upgrade |
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| 22:01.28 | somiaj | n-st: you can fix the issue by adding a post-up option in the interfaces file so it runs the ip -6 route line |
| 22:02.01 | n-st | isn't there a more elegant way? |
| 22:02.42 | somiaj | unsure why it isn't being set at default, but that will work |
| 22:04.41 | GladiaTeur | can someone help |
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| 22:04.50 | GladiaTeur | https://dpaste.de/Tivu/raw |
| 22:04.52 | diverdude | Hi, when doing e.g. find . -type f -exec grep "foobar" {} + what does the {} + do? |
| 22:05.37 | frostschutz | diverdude, {} is a placeholder for the stuff it found |
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| 22:06.47 | frostschutz | diverdude, and + means "call with lots of stuff at once". instead of ; which would run grep individually for each single file |
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| 22:07.54 | teraflops | n-st: i have the same option at a bunch of debian as yours so i dont think that issue being a bug |
| 22:09.15 | n-st | i've added 'up ip -6 route add 2001:db8:19::1 dev eth0' and 'up ip -6 route add default via 2001:db8:19::1' to /etc/network/interfaces, but the system still boots without ipv6 connectivity |
| 22:09.26 | n-st | when i manually execute those exact commands, it works
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| 22:10.26 | Dagger | n-st: 2001:db8:19::1 is outside 2001:db8:19:e3::/64 |
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| 22:11.49 | Dagger | (i.e. if you fix your borked network, it'll be fine) |
| 22:11.50 | n-st | Dagger: you're right, but it works when i set it up manually (and i got those addresses from my hoster and i expect them to know what they're doing) |
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| 22:12.40 | Dagger | if your hoster has a gateway IP for a subnet that's outside the subnet, they clearly don't know what they're doing |
| 22:13.21 | n-st | well
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| 22:14.16 | dvs | see ya! |
| 22:14.16 | n-st | but why does it work when i add the route manually, but doesn't work when i add the exact same command as a post-up command? |
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| 22:14.57 | abrotman | dvs: you still have me! |
| 22:15.21 | dvs | oh no! ;-) |
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| 22:15.41 | teraflops | n-st: i think it will be inside using /48 dvs |
| 22:15.44 | teraflops | n-st: i think it will be inside using /48 Dagger |
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| 22:16.14 | Dagger | terabit: it would be, but it's a /64 |
| 22:16.20 | Dagger | at least according to his /e/n/i |
| 22:16.28 | n-st | yep, they told me to add 2001:db8:19:e3::2/64 |
| 22:16.35 | teraflops | yep Dagger but the fact its for a /48 |
| 22:16.44 | teraflops | may be mistping |
| 22:16.45 | terabit | Dagger: ! |
| 22:16.51 | teraflops | heh terabit |
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| 22:17.14 | terabit | bit != flop |
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| 22:17.35 | teraflops | blame the tab key terabit :P |
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| 22:21.05 | abrotman | what's up with all the bots? |
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| 22:22.22 | Noah0504 | Wow. That's a lot of drops and adds... |
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| 22:24.50 | Dagger | tera*: oops, sorry |
| 22:25.02 | Dagger | wish mIRC would sort tab completes by user idle time :( |
| 22:25.25 | teraflops | yeah |
| 22:25.27 | teraflops | heh |
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| 22:29.48 | n-st | does the indentation in /etc/network/interfaces matter? |
| 22:30.12 | somiaj | n-st: I belive so |
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| 22:30.57 | n-st | ah, should've checked the manpage first: "Options are usually indented for clarity (as in the example above) but are not required to be." |
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| 22:31.22 | somiaj | n-st: turns out I was wrong, "Options are usually indented for clarity (as in the example above) but are not required to be." |
| 22:31.32 | somiaj | looks like you were one step ahead of me |
| 22:31.41 | n-st | somiaj: thanks anyway :) |
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| 22:38.55 | average | I wonder if it's really hard to actually set up an ad-hoc mesh network |
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| 22:40.22 | average | I was thinking that if McDonalds for example offers free wi-fi, if I could get some raspberry pi hidden near it and hook some wifi into it, it would be able to act as an wifi AP for an ad-hoc mesh network composed of many small zigbees |
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| 22:40.38 | average | and then it would pretty much spread low-bandwidth interwebz on an area of my choice |
| 22:40.57 | average | ofc I don't expect McD to be ok with it.. but.. |
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| 22:43.37 | average | was wondering if someone attempted some stunt like that.. |
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| 22:46.47 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I load device overlays on an ARM cpu on boot? |
| 22:48.43 | n-st | ipv6 mystery solved: i had to add the routes as a pre-up command instead of post-up one |
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| 22:50.44 | teraflops | n-st: thats not a mistery i think thats a mistake on your provider |
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| 22:52.15 | n-st | teraflops: the post-up commands never got executed, i doubt that that could be caused by the odd subnet configuration
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| 22:54.04 | teraflops | i use /48 when I route i.e proxmox guests VMs |
| 22:55.23 | n-st | the provider probably has a /48 and routes /64s to their customers |
| 22:56.27 | n-st | something else: should a (web-/mail-/...) server have kernel headers installed? |
| 22:57.13 | n-st | it's somewhat of a production environment and i'll only need the headers for building stuff anyway, right? |
| 22:57.17 | Dagger | n-st: if the setup you gave is working, then they clearly aren't routing /64s to their customers |
| 22:57.49 | Dagger | it looks like they're assigning /48 on-link and then telling you there's a /64 on-link (i.e. lying to you...) |
| 22:58.26 | n-st | Dagger: should i try grabbing an ip outside my assigned subnet? :) |
| 22:58.41 | teraflops | i said so but i was more kind and say mistyping |
| 22:58.42 | Dagger | would be interesting :p |
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| 23:00.17 | brolin_empey | average: I expect that McDonald’s uses a captive portal for their public Wireless LAN Access Point. The captive portal may be problematic for non-interactive use of the Wireless LAN. |
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| 23:01.03 | teraflops | brolin_empey: just use the udp 53 trhough a tunnel |
| 23:01.38 | n-st | brolin_empey, average: i recently saw a defcon talk where they created something called "portalsmash" as a by-product ;) |
| 23:02.11 | n-st | Dagger: guess what
:D |
| 23:02.56 | average | brolin_empey: suppose it's not captive |
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| 23:04.29 | n-st | Dagger: I can haz IPs! :) |
| 23:04.30 | average | in theory, if this was even possible, the zigbees being really low traffic, it shouldn't even bother McD's that someone's leeching like 30Kb/s off of them.. |
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| 23:07.41 | abrotman | average: Again, please keep it on-topic, last warning |
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| 23:09.12 | brolin_empey | Can someone here please tell Jeeves_Moss the next time they join that they can use an embedded x86 computer instead of an embedded ARM or other non-x86 computer? Thanks to Debian Kit and Geeksphone, I have Debian GNU/Linux proper for x86 installed in an ext4 volume on a partition on a 32-GB microSDHC card I bought for approximately 20 CAD installed in a Geeksphone Revolution x86 handheld computer I bought for 222 EUR excluding shipping and UPS brokerage |
| 23:09.13 | brolin_empey | fee to import the product from Spain to Canada. Geeksphone has since reduced their selling price of the Revolution to 164 EUR, which is only approximately 249 CAD. |
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| 23:09.43 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I have a device overlay load on boot? |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: which distro is this? |
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| 23:10.41 | Reelax | what is tty1,tty2 ? |
| 23:11.18 | brolin_empey | Jeeves_Moss: “[16:09:11] <brolin_empey> Can someone here please tell Jeeves_Moss the next time they join that they can use an embedded x86 computer instead of an embedded ARM or other non-x86 computer? Thanks to Debian Kit and Geeksphone, I have Debian GNU/Linux proper for x86 installed in an ext4 volume on a partition on a 32-GB microSDHC card I bought for approximately 20 CAD installed in a Geeksphone Revolution x86 handheld computer I bought for 222 |
| 23:11.19 | brolin_empey | EUR excluding shipping and UPS brokerage fee to import the product from Spain to Canada. Geeksphone has since reduced their selling price of the Revolution to 164 EUR, which is only approximately 249 CAD. |
| 23:11.19 | brolin_empey | [16:09:30] --> Jeeves_Moss (~Jeeves_Mo@rn251-250.resnet.uoguelph.ca) has joined #debian” |
| 23:11.41 | n-st | Dagger: looks like they're routing a /56 subnet to me |
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| 23:12.00 | Dagger | n-st: you mean they have a /56 on-link |
| 23:12.06 | Dagger | which is very much different to routing it |
| 23:12.16 | n-st | Dagger: in what way? |
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| 23:14.09 | Dagger | n-st: if it was routed, then any traffic to IPs in the /56 would be sent straight to your machine, and you could then send it on elsewhere |
| 23:15.13 | Dagger | for on-link ranges, the router instead makes NDP queries for destination IPs in the range, so the machine with the destination IP needs to be directly attached to the network segment |
| 23:15.14 | n-st | Dagger: ah, that makes sense. i already noticed that i need to send something from a new ip to activate it. |
| 23:16.27 | n-st | Dagger: and ideally, they would configure their router to check the mac address before forwarding packets to an ip (so i couldn't hijack someone else's subnet)? |
| 23:16.29 | Dagger | you shouldn't normally need to do that... |
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| 23:17.52 | Dagger | n-st: what they really ought to do is put everybody on their own uplink VLANs, with a /64 on each |
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| 23:17.58 | Dagger | rather than attach them all to one VLAN with a /56 on it |
| 23:18.59 | n-st | Dagger: but that would require them to have a greater subnet and thus cost more |
| 23:20.52 | Dagger | one /64 per customer uplink is hardly going to bankrupt them |
| 23:21.31 | Dagger | and even adding routed blocks for each customer is hardly going to make a scratch on their provider's allocation |
| 23:21.36 | abrotman | they really should use /64 |
| 23:21.39 | n-st | Dagger: they're still better than my three other vps/kvm providers |
| 23:22.17 | n-st | they're giving no ipv6, six distinct ips and a /120 subnet respectively :D |
| 23:22.55 | n-st | oh, and avoid budgetvm like the plague. just saying. |
| 23:23.29 | n-st | now on to more pleasant things, that is kernel upgrades :) |
| 23:23.30 | Dagger | would like to aim for "good" rather than "less terrible" |
| 23:23.35 | n-st | :D |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | would actually prefer /120 for VPS |
| 23:24.05 | n-st | i'm using btrfs for /, so i want to use a somewhat newer kernel than the 3.2 in stable |
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| 23:24.21 | n-st | "linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed" |
| 23:24.27 | n-st | is that a good idea? |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | n-st: use a pastebin, show us the whole thing |
| 23:25.22 | n-st | abrotman: it's fairly simple: i've added wheezy-backports to sources.list, did an apt-get update and apt-get install linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 23:25.40 | abrotman | n-st: you did it wrong |
| 23:25.50 | n-st | looks like i'll have to use -t wheezy-backports |
| 23:25.52 | n-st | but should i? |
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| 23:25.59 | abrotman | and the metapackage, not the exact package name |
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| 23:26.28 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I setup ntpd to use the local attached GPS receiver? I need the config for ntpd.conf if the gps is connected to /dev/ttyGPS |
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| 23:27.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell n-st about bdo kernel |
| 23:27.20 | n-st | abrotman: apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 ? |
| 23:27.26 | abrotman | see the bot |
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| 23:28.25 | n-st | ok, thanks for the instructions |
| 23:28.35 | n-st | but is it safe? :-S |
| 23:28.35 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, want to take a shot at either getting the device overlays to load or the GPSd sync to work? |
| 23:28.53 | abrotman | n-st: you tell us after you're done |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: I don't have a GPS in my laptop |
| 23:29.08 | n-st | abrotman:
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| 23:29.17 | abrotman | n-st: it's likely reasonably safe |
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| 23:30.11 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, how about the device overlays? |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | For what reason? |
| 23:30.29 | n-st | abrotman: as long as it doesn't screw up my filesystem, i can still return to a snapshot, so i'll give it a go |
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| 23:31.06 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: you might want to further explain your wishes |
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| 23:31.29 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, I have a device overlay that I would like loaded when the system boots |
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| 23:32.02 | n-st | abrotman: it broke. "modprobe: can't load module btrfs: unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" |
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| 23:32.59 | teraflops | for some scenarios i think it is better just to use btrfs and quotas over lvm and a bunch of partitions n-st |
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| 23:38.48 | mintgreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.13 | petn-randall | mintgreen: Please don't crosspost, it's frowned upon. |
| 23:39.40 | mintgreen | ok,sorry |
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| 23:41.06 | n-st | so, any ideas about the broken kernel modules after updating to 3.14 from wheezy-backports? |
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| 23:43.50 | centrx | n-st, The particular modules were only compiled for your old kernel? |
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| 23:46.12 | n-st | centrx: the btrfs module and a few others don't work with the 3.14 kernel from wheezy-backports, but they differ from the ones for the 3.2 kernel i guess the linux-image package contained new module binaries? |
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| 23:46.52 | n-st | ("Binary files /lib/modules/3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko and /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko differ") |
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| 23:58.15 | nodiscc | hi all, is there a way to preseed debconf values without debconf-utils installed? I'm trying to preseed passwords for a mysql server. Basically what's detailed at http://www.rndguy.ca/2010/02/24/fully-automated-ubuntu-server-setups-using-preseed/ |
| 23:58.56 | nodiscc | but all the packages are to be installed in one passe (debconf-utils and mysql-server in the same install pass). So I'd like to preseed these values *before* running the install pass |
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