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| 00:02.08 | petern_ | Hmm, wonder if there are mono backports... |
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| 00:03.41 | Release_ | hi all whats the cmd to make prompt show path |
| 00:03.58 | Release_ | all i see now is -bash-4.1$ |
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| 00:07.44 | sevij | no ffmpeg in sid? Or has its name been changed in Debian? |
| 00:08.25 | Release_ | is it chsh --shell /bin/bash |
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| 00:11.16 | abrotman | sevij: in a different package |
| 00:13.35 | themill | sevij: avconv/avplay/avprobe from libav-tools |
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| 00:15.06 | themill | nodiscc: btw debconf-set-selections is in the debconf package not debconf-utils |
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| 00:19.22 | nodiscc | themill: well spotted. debconf-GET-selections is in debconf-utils though. But I guess I won't need it for this. |
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| 00:20.07 | themill | correct |
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| 00:26.30 | kingsley | Will ... |
| 00:26.36 | kingsley | $ cat /dev/urandom |
| 00:26.59 | kingsley | keep outputting (pseudo)random data until ^c is pressed? |
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| 00:29.35 | Jeeves_Moss | where do I put a script I want to ONLY run at startup? |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | kingsley: man urandom perhaps? |
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| 00:29.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Jeeves_Moss about run at startup |
| 00:33.06 | sevij | abrotman, themill: I read that the Debian archive is once going to be blessed by the original ffmpeg again |
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| 00:33.53 | sevij | according to phoronix |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | yeah, best source for news ever .. |
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| 00:35.37 | sevij | abrotman: you mean that site is not trustworthy? |
| 00:36.44 | sevij | abrotman: I just found that article when searching for "debian ffmpeg" |
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| 00:37.28 | sevij | abrotman: would be interesting to know whether they really go back (and when) or not. I mean why should phoronix state that when it's not the case... |
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| 00:38.17 | abrotman | not sure why it matters .. |
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| 00:39.51 | abrotman | sevij: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html been there a week, hasn't moved |
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| 00:41.02 | sevij | abrotman: why isn't it listed under experimental on https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ffmpeg ? |
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| 00:42.20 | sevij | abrotman: considering why it matter: because that means one doesn't need to compile ffmpeg from sources anymore (which takes a lot of resources) and according to some sites ffmpeg has lots of features that libav does not |
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| 00:44.45 | abrotman | sevij: because it's in NEW, not Experimental |
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| 00:47.17 | sevij | abrotman: sorry my newbie question: why does the distribution column say experimental on its line? |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | that's where they're trying to upload *to* |
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| 00:48.56 | sevij | abrotman: can you please provide a link to a site that explains what qualifications it must have to get to experimental? I don't know this stuff although I have been using Debian for a couple of years now... |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | sevij: there are none really? It's just where the uploader decides to target |
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| 00:49.59 | sevij | what is it about this NEW anyway? I thought stuff is just uploaded to unstable or exp.? |
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| 00:50.19 | jordanm_lt | new packages have to be manually accepted by the ftpmasters |
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| 00:50.57 | jordanm_lt | they make sure that the software fits the DFSG and probably some other checks they do |
| 00:51.18 | sevij | jordanm_lt: okay |
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| 00:52.10 | sevij | abrotman, jordanm_lt: thanks |
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| 00:58.42 | dioz | hi |
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| 00:59.14 | free11 | hello |
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| 00:59.38 | free11 | do you people have the same problem in which vlc doesnt close properly? |
| 00:59.52 | abrotman | no |
| 01:00.29 | free11 | abrotman: why do you think it happens to me? |
| 01:01.21 | free11 | im using lxde |
| 01:02.48 | sevij | free11: maybe file a bug report with reportbug |
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| 01:03.51 | ctmjr | free11: what do you mean by close properly |
| 01:03.57 | free11 | sevij: you dont have that problem? |
| 01:04.08 | free11 | when i close it, it stays in the taskbar |
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| 01:04.58 | sevij | free11: I also have that occasionally, not at the moment |
| 01:05.19 | free11 | sevij: how do you fix it? |
| 01:05.20 | sevij | free11: when I want it closed I sometimes just issue killall -9 vlc :-) |
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| 01:06.59 | free11 | sevij: AMAZING |
| 01:07.02 | free11 | thank you very much |
| 01:07.57 | sevij | free11: you're welcome. But remember, that's a workaround, not a solution :) |
| 01:08.14 | sevij | and killing like that is somewhat rough |
| 01:08.22 | free11 | sevij: now i wont have to restart my computer everytime i have this problem. What does the -9 mean? |
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| 01:08.49 | sevij | free11: look up the -9 in "man kill" |
| 01:09.08 | GladiaTeur | hi all i have this error when trying to install mysql-server5.5 https://dpaste.de/eeyo/raw |
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| 01:10.07 | sevij | free11: no, sorry, look it up in "man 7 signal" |
| 01:10.16 | free11 | sevij: ok |
| 01:10.24 | free11 | bye |
| 01:10.32 | sevij | free11: bye :) |
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| 01:20.05 | M4dH4TT3r | whats the command to update sources? |
| 01:20.40 | M4dH4TT3r | debian 7 |
| 01:21.16 | LtL | M4dH4TT3r: apt-get update |
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| 01:21.45 | M4dH4TT3r | cant do it that way actual problem is all failing |
| 01:22.01 | M4dH4TT3r | dns issue |
| 01:22.33 | M4dH4TT3r | tried editing resolv.conf but doesnt look right when i try |
| 01:22.49 | LtL | M4dH4TT3r: are you in this channel from said box |
| 01:23.20 | M4dH4TT3r | no |
| 01:23.26 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: fix resolv.conf |
| 01:23.33 | LtL | M4dH4TT3r: what does /etc/resolv.conf have, use paste.debian.net |
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| 01:26.31 | M4dH4TT3r | paste.deebian.net/100525/ |
| 01:26.38 | M4dH4TT3r | paste.debian.net/100525/ |
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| 01:27.59 | abrotman | so it's empty? |
| 01:28.02 | M4dH4TT3r | yes |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | so put one in ... |
| 01:28.33 | M4dH4TT3r | so i just put my nameservers in there or do i need to put nameserver first? |
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| 01:30.11 | M4dH4TT3r | how do i save in vi? |
| 01:30.20 | M4dH4TT3r | not used to this editor |
| 01:30.25 | abrotman | :wq |
| 01:30.26 | Devastator | esc :wq! |
| 01:30.47 | Devastator | dunno if esc is mandatory, probably not |
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| 01:31.29 | GladiaTeur | hi all i have this error when trying to install mysql-server5.5 https://dpaste.de/eeyo/raw please |
| 01:31.41 | M4dH4TT3r | nope still failing |
| 01:31.59 | Devastator | M4dH4TT3r can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 01:32.01 | M4dH4TT3r | lol will reboot |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: what does it say now? |
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| 01:32.08 | abrotman | or that |
| 01:32.10 | M4dH4TT3r | yep |
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| 01:32.53 | Devastator | so, line 1 put "search google.com", line 2 "nameserver 8.8.8.8", both without " |
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| 01:33.28 | Devastator | maybe search isn't even needed.. |
| 01:33.38 | Arrowmaster | you should not be using search google.com |
| 01:33.39 | M4dH4TT3r | not using google nameseervers |
| 01:34.04 | Devastator | it was just a suggestion |
| 01:34.10 | M4dH4TT3r | k |
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| 01:34.18 | Devastator | feel free to use any nameserver you want |
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| 01:34.21 | Arrowmaster | search is just a domain to append if it cant find the host |
| 01:34.36 | M4dH4TT3r | using managed dns from domain name provider on cloud server |
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| 01:35.19 | Devastator | a long time ago a dns server from one of my ISPs had "search ..." so I got used to it |
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| 01:36.02 | Arrowmaster | you should almost never be using it |
| 01:36.19 | Devastator | okie, thanks for the tip |
| 01:36.21 | abrotman | from an ISP, no .. but it won't kill you |
| 01:36.29 | M4dH4TT3r | still failing |
| 01:36.44 | Devastator | I would contact your cloud server provider |
| 01:37.01 | M4dH4TT3r | yeah they not there today |
| 01:37.37 | Devastator | is this one of those "yesterday was working, now it is not" things? |
| 01:38.40 | M4dH4TT3r | I just decided to make some major changes on my server that would be easier to just reinstall OS so I did and this is what im getting from their auto imaging |
| 01:39.23 | Arrowmaster | M4dH4TT3r: does your provider have a dns server for you to use to resolve queries or are they hosting your domains dns? |
| 01:40.12 | Arrowmaster | you should probably be using googles dns servers in resolve.conf either way |
| 01:40.14 | M4dH4TT3r | cloud server is with one company A records and DDNS with another |
| 01:41.17 | Arrowmaster | you dont happen to have the dig command installed do you? |
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| 01:44.42 | M4dH4TT3r | ok added 8.8.8.8 and rebooted and still failing |
| 01:45.41 | M4dH4TT3r | also no dig |
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| 01:46.54 | LtL | M4dH4TT3r: try, 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' or did you do that, i wasnt here. no quotes. |
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| 01:51.30 | abrotman | his provider may block outside requests |
| 01:52.42 | M4dH4TT3r | no I was using these nameservers before I reinstalled |
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| 01:57.36 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, you get your DNS working yet? |
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| 01:58.20 | M4dH4TT3r | no |
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| 02:00.15 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, can you ping ip's? |
| 02:00.22 | M4dH4TT3r | yep |
| 02:01.07 | Bryanstein | well first you can actually put the ip of the server in your sources.list and that will work |
| 02:01.29 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, pastebin your resolv.conf |
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| 02:03.14 | Bryanstein | you should be able to use opendns or any public dns servers in your resolv.conf |
| 02:03.29 | M4dH4TT3r | paste.debian.net/100527 |
| 02:04.00 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, lol wrong |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | Bryanstein: assuming his network doesn't block outside requests |
| 02:04.20 | Bryanstein | try nameserver 208.67.222.123 |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: man resolv.conf .. learn what you're doing |
| 02:04.41 | Bryanstein | it has to be ip addresses M4dH4TT3r ...you don't have dns remember so hostnames just wont work |
| 02:04.51 | abrotman | unless they're in your hosts file? |
| 02:05.11 | Bryanstein | abrotman, well yes of course that will work too but really lol |
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| 02:05.40 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, remove all of that stuff and really I wouldn't plan on using no-ip's dns |
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| 02:07.20 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, you all squared away now? You should be cooking with grease by now. Now figure out what your providers dns servers are and use those |
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| 02:11.40 | M4dH4TT3r | nope still failing |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | with what error? |
| 02:12.06 | abrotman | could we see your resolv.conf now? |
| 02:13.37 | M4dH4TT3r | paste.debian.net/100529 |
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| 02:17.11 | M4dH4TT3r | paste.debian.net/100530 |
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| 02:18.33 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, |
| 02:19.00 | M4dH4TT3r | what? |
| 02:19.03 | Bryanstein | Listen to me...remove those |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | seriously .. still? |
| 02:19.29 | M4dH4TT3r | the sources? |
| 02:19.36 | Devastator | oh man :( |
| 02:19.41 | Devastator | this is so sad.. |
| 02:19.59 | Bryanstein | from your resolv.conf ...remove all of those ip's and forget about using no-ip...it wont work |
| 02:20.11 | M4dH4TT3r | why? |
| 02:20.22 | Arrowmaster | thats no-ip? no wonder it doesnt work |
| 02:20.28 | Devastator | M4dH4TT3r can you please, PLEASE try nameserver 8.8.8.8 just this time? this line and nothing else |
| 02:20.52 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, yes...just 1 line |
| 02:21.03 | Bryanstein | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:21.15 | Bryanstein | That will be faster than opendns but either will work |
| 02:21.28 | Bryanstein | remove all that other crap...it's just a deadend |
| 02:21.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah those other dns servers arent ment to be used for generic queries |
| 02:21.53 | Devastator | it's funny to see your pastebins, but.. well, funny gotta end |
| 02:22.07 | Arrowmaster | they return nothing for me when i try using them |
| 02:22.21 | Bryanstein | Arrowmaster, I know right...they just wont work |
| 02:23.01 | Arrowmaster | they are meant to return the domains they host and nothing else |
| 02:23.39 | M4dH4TT3r | working off 8.8.8.8 |
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| 02:24.17 | Devastator | you could save me 20 minutes |
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| 02:24.50 | Devastator | I mean, you could have saved :P |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | you could have just pointed him at the docs .. |
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| 02:25.50 | Devastator | sure, there is no "don't be stupid enough to try no-ip dns" in the docs |
| 02:26.06 | M4dH4TT3r | when this is done how do I set noip servers to some of my other IPs? |
| 02:26.15 | M4dH4TT3r | and ony to those ips |
| 02:26.58 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.14 | Bryanstein | M4dH4TT3r, you've gotta log into no-ip and set that yourself then use something like a dynamic dns client to update it. |
| 02:27.32 | M4dH4TT3r | no |
| 02:27.45 | Devastator | I think you are confusing dns zone update with dns for resolving names |
| 02:28.54 | M4dH4TT3r | their already set to the IPs in no-ip but I want to be able to use the ddns to update noip's settings in case my ips on the server change |
| 02:29.17 | M4dH4TT3r | like I was before |
| 02:29.46 | nevyn | so you do that with a ddns client |
| 02:29.59 | nevyn | usually there's one built into your router for home networks |
| 02:30.12 | nevyn | or you can do it with a script and the client package in debian |
| 02:30.22 | Arrowmaster | which is a completely separate ddns than the ddns built into bind |
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| 02:31.22 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 02:31.39 | M4dH4TT3r | yeah was running a script before but was a pain to install |
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| 02:32.06 | M4dH4TT3r | is there just a package now by chance? |
| 02:32.23 | nevyn | goes back to working out how to make secondaries for primaries with three views |
| 02:32.23 | M4dH4TT3r | wasnt when I installed it beforre... |
| 02:32.43 | Arrowmaster | ddclient |
| 02:32.43 | nevyn | !ddns |
| 02:32.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic dns is free dynamic DNS (hostname -> IP mapping) is provided by http://www.dhis.net http://www.yi.org http://www.myip.org http://dyn.com http://dynip.org http://freedns.afraid.org/ - also see <dynamic dns clients> |
| 02:33.00 | Arrowmaster | !dynamic dns clients |
| 02:33.00 | dpkg | dynamic dns clients is probably depending on your dynamic dns provider (<dynamic dns>), different clients can be used: <ddclient>, ipcheck and <inadyn> are a few. See also "apt-cache search dynamic dns" |
| 02:33.00 | nevyn | !dynamic dns clients |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | !bottell |
| 02:33.11 | dpkg | Using the bot's tell feature reduces unnecessary noise in the channel. This sends the recipient a private message with the same information. Example: "dpkg: tell foo about bar". You can also "/msg dpkg tell foo about bar". See also <msg the bot>. |
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| 02:35.29 | M4dH4TT3r | omg noise in the channel? and here i thought that was the purpose of irc... |
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| 02:36.44 | Arrowmaster | dyn.com should probably be removed from that list |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: Yes, you do, but you're wrong (not the first time) |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | Still free for another month or so, right ? |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | or gone already? |
| 02:38.24 | M4dH4TT3r | funny Ive been using IRC for 20yrs since arpanet and yourself? |
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| 02:39.15 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:39.36 | M4dH4TT3r | not at the moment ;) |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | then please be quiet |
| 02:39.49 | M4dH4TT3r | same to you :P |
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| 02:40.15 | abrotman | M4dH4TT3r: please take it somewhere else. As usual, you're more of a problem than anything else |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | Maybe spend this time to actually read a man page |
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| 02:43.15 | Bryanstein | Did he name drop arpanet? |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | That's not why he's been banned again .. |
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| 02:43.57 | buu | Is there a 'keymap' command somewhere? Part of udev somehow? |
| 02:43.59 | Bryanstein | lol well I just thought it was funny...he's been using IRC since arpanet or so he says |
| 02:44.04 | buu | I'm trying to understand this file: https://github.com/dciabrin/apple-kbd/blob/master/95-keymap-apple-kdb.rules.in |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | buu: to remap keys? |
| 02:44.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell buu about keymap |
| 02:45.20 | Devastator | from my point of view, if he has been using irc since arpanet, he probably uses linux for a few years and still have trouble to setup a simple resolv.conf |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | moving along .. |
| 02:45.34 | buu | abrotman: Do you happen to know if either of those programs can remap keycodes greater than 255? |
| 02:45.37 | Devastator | sorry, wrong chan |
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| 02:46.15 | abrotman | buu: no, I don't, sorry |
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| 02:48.22 | buu | Hrm. "report whether the FN key is pressed to software, the linux kernel transparently maps combinations with FN to other keycodes. hence, no user-land application, such as the X server ever notices, that you pressed FN." |
| 02:48.43 | buu | So can I remap keys .. below the userland level? |
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| 02:53.06 | Shurtagul | Nevermind I right clicked and closed |
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| 06:22.54 | safridzal | how to change distro name on grub2? |
| 06:23.21 | safridzal | i can change the name on old grub, but i cannot find the way on grub2 |
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| 06:24.14 | safridzal | wait, got something on google |
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| 06:28.12 | somiaj | safridzal: check /etc/default/grub |
| 06:29.14 | safridzal | somiaj: done.. finished update-grub but i'll reboot later |
| 06:29.17 | safridzal | thanks |
| 06:30.09 | safridzal | is there a way to change the OS name too? like OS name on System Information? |
| 06:30.12 | safridzal | not only on grub |
| 06:30.30 | somiaj | system Information? I don't know what you are talking about there |
| 06:30.43 | safridzal | I'm using inxi |
| 06:31.20 | RipresaTecn | perhaps /etc/lsb-release is what your looking for |
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| 06:31.33 | somiaj | then I would look at that script, it depends on what it uses to get that name |
| 06:31.42 | somiaj | if it uses lsb-release you probabaly don't want to change the output of that |
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| 06:33.10 | safridzal | RipresaTecn: change the content on that file and inxi read my OS as my custom OS :D hehe.. |
| 06:33.22 | safridzal | somiaj: is this dangerous? |
| 06:33.47 | somiaj | well it is just a script, I don't know much about that script, but chaning the output is possible |
| 06:34.11 | safridzal | somiaj: i mean about lsb-release.. |
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| 06:34.30 | fishcooker | is boot partition matter, for what? |
| 06:34.35 | somiaj | well other tools may use the output of that, it would be unwise to fool that script to give you the wrong release of your os. |
| 06:34.48 | Cutegirl1990 | Check out my blog, 100% legit. http://www.nattstad.se/sofi.carlsson.9 :) |
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| 06:34.50 | somiaj | fishcooker: on modern equipment only useful if you use lvm/raid/encrypted filesystems |
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| 06:36.18 | fishcooker | why somiaj.. in case recovery in what point it will be useful? #don't really understand |
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| 06:37.32 | alteregoa | how is it possible to unzip only the content in the 2nd directory path |
| 06:37.47 | somiaj | fishcooker: in order to mount/read an lvm, encrypted partition or software raid you need to have info about it. That is stored in a simple /boot partition outside of the lvm so it can boot correctly. |
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| 06:37.54 | buu | Ok, I'm getting some really weird errors. I had smbd/nmbd running perfectly normally, then I switched to a different switch and now the two boxes can't see each other's samba shares |
| 06:38.00 | buu | Both boxes can ping /ssh /etc each otehr |
| 06:38.15 | buu | But I issue a service samba restart; then try to connect and I get NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED |
| 06:38.29 | fishcooker | ic your point somiaj thanks for the reference |
| 06:38.31 | alteregoa | remove the public switch = no |
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| 06:38.42 | buu | Hell, they can't even connect to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:39.12 | alteregoa | buu don't touch that switch |
| 06:39.20 | buu | =[ |
| 06:39.35 | buu | "Samba name server SS is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.5.100" |
| 06:39.38 | buu | What the heck does that mean |
| 06:39.55 | alteregoa | that means it does wins resolution for those subnet |
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| 06:40.18 | somiaj | buu: might want to ask #samba but sounds like you have a nt domain setup, and have to reconfigure the master server foteh domian. |
| 06:40.44 | buu | somiaj: How could I suddenly get an nt domain ? |
| 06:40.52 | alteregoa | as long as you use avahi you don't need that, debian uses mdns for naming |
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| 06:41.08 | buu | And more importantly why doesn't smbclient //127.0.0.1/share work? |
| 06:41.15 | somiaj | buu: did you chagne your samba config |
| 06:41.19 | buu | no |
| 06:42.18 | somiaj | well you have something strange setup, again #samba might give you more help as I have only used it rarely. |
| 06:43.59 | buu | Yeah... |
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| 06:44.16 | petern_ | Local master browser means it's... the local master browser. |
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| 06:49.43 | buu | And it magically starts working again |
| 06:49.45 | buu | How very confusing |
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| 07:03.54 | simplexy | hi, i connect openvpn using a ovpn config file, it works ok. after i close the connection on the same terminal window, i cant start it again the same way. |
| 07:03.54 | simplexy | i get the error : Linux ifconfig failed: external program exited with error status: 1 |
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| 07:12.17 | CeBe | anyone running debian with gnome3 desktop? need some advice whether to choose ubuntu gnome or debian |
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| 07:14.35 | txomon|fon | CeBe, you should be choosing on your experience |
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| 07:16.29 | txomon|fon | I changed from ubuntu to debian due to ubuntu's update policy and the release stability |
| 07:16.36 | CeBe | txomon|fon: experience is enough, I am looking for a system that is stable on works. Have good experience with debian on server but I am not sure if same care is taken for desktop side |
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| 07:16.52 | CeBe | *on=and |
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| 07:18.05 | CeBe | ubuntu cares much for usability because it focuses on desktop. can I expect same care from debian or is it more rough in the sense that I might need to adjust things myself to get to a good working system? |
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| 07:19.42 | jelly-home | CeBe: the latter. |
| 07:20.45 | fishcooker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:21.17 | CeBe | fishcooker: this depends not on SSD or HDD it depends on the file system you use |
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| 07:22.10 | fishcooker | so let's say that would be safe for data loss, CeBe LoL |
| 07:22.48 | CeBe | I'm quite sure it is not safe to resize the root partition of a system that is running |
| 07:22.57 | CeBe | there are filesystems that support this however |
| 07:23.32 | CeBe | ext3/4 is not able to do this afaik |
| 07:24.08 | CeBe | fishcooker: you should use the ubuntu live disk to do it. |
| 07:24.17 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/100543/ :-( |
| 07:24.43 | z8z | zfs can do that |
| 07:25.15 | fishcooker | nice info z8z |
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| 07:25.20 | petern_ | swap on an ssd? :S |
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| 07:26.30 | fishcooker | why petern_ is it useless? |
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| 07:27.00 | lsme | Good morning. How do I pick what program to use when it's a virtual package? For example I have mailutils installed and it gives me a "mail" command. This command is however different from some machines running the version and similar software |
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| 07:27.20 | petern_ | probably quite fast, but i prefer to leave my ssd's limit write cycles to actual data, heh |
| 07:27.26 | lsme | I have one mail command supporting mail attachment, and on another system I have one that doesn't |
| 07:27.30 | petern_ | *limited |
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| 07:28.01 | z8z | petern_: i bet you'll be dead before you finish your ssd lifecycle by swapping stuff |
| 07:28.04 | CeBe | lsme: check which software is installed by the package and choose the one you want explicitly |
| 07:28.24 | petern_ | probably |
| 07:28.40 | z8z | petern_: also recent ssd's firmwares handles the writing in different cells as much as they can |
| 07:28.41 | lsme | CeBe: How do I choose which one? |
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| 07:29.13 | z8z | petern_: so they end up in lasting even more that hdd depending on the usage |
| 07:29.18 | skribblezatcha | actually CeBe, are you using debian right now? |
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| 07:30.21 | CeBe | skribblezatcha: I use debian on my servers and ubuntu on desktop, need to re-install my laptop right now so I am thinking about using debian there |
| 07:30.49 | CeBe | had very bad experience with linux mint debian edition before but that is based on debian testing |
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| 07:31.03 | jelly-home | z8z: swapping does small writes over random places, I managed to kill a vertex 2 doing that |
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| 07:31.22 | CeBe | lsme: I do not see that the package is virtual: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mailutils |
| 07:31.29 | fishcooker | z8z: petern_: i bet you'll be dead before you finish your ssd lifecycle by swapping stuff <-- LoL |
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| 07:31.36 | skribblezatcha | o ok cool CeBe . well debian is very user friendly on the desktop..its just all on how you configure it..which isnt hard with it all being in repo. wheezy is using older packages but is very stable. i use apt-pinning so that i can be up to date and yet remain pretty stable CeBe. |
| 07:31.49 | skribblezatcha | System: Host: skribblezatcha Kernel: 3.14-1-686-pae i686 (32 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 |
| 07:31.49 | skribblezatcha | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.02 | z8z | jelly-home: exactly .... a vertex 2 |
| 07:32.18 | z8z | jelly-home: try with the samsung evo 840 |
| 07:32.24 | jelly-home | no, thanks |
| 07:32.24 | skribblezatcha | you will get differing opinions on what that means CeBe , based on what they choose to do with debian. i am on a laptop and a desktop user..so that is what i use it for. |
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| 07:33.08 | Artemis3 | skribblezatcha, and wheezy-backports contains said package without need for pinning |
| 07:33.16 | skribblezatcha | i use Xfce though CeBe , and will share with you a screenshot real quick man. i just want you to know that anything that you do with ubuntu you can do with debian, and to be honest you are more stable with debian no matter what because of the freedoms that you have within debian. |
| 07:33.35 | skribblezatcha | no they dont Artemis3. |
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| 07:34.08 | skribblezatcha | although Artemis3, as i said we all choose to use debian how we want to. there are differing opinions on how it is used. |
| 07:34.10 | Artemis3 | skribblezatcha, kernel is there |
| 07:34.25 | skribblezatcha | ok cool Artemis3 , thanks. |
| 07:34.39 | z8z | jelly-home: the vertex 3 has already 10 times the lifetime of the vertex 2 only considering cells quality. Not mentioning about the new firmwares cells management |
| 07:35.31 | jelly-home | z8z: they gave me one as a replacement, but I also bought more RAM. |
| 07:35.52 | z8z | jelly-home: of course i would have enought ram and that's it |
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| 07:36.16 | z8z | jelly-home: my pc almost never use swap |
| 07:36.19 | jmcnaught | lsme: you could try looking at the output of "apt-cache showpkg <virtual package name>" to see other packages that "provide" the virtual package |
| 07:36.49 | skribblezatcha | i didnt see the kernel there Artemis3 . how did you see that? |
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| 07:37.59 | jmcnaught | lsme: for example if i do "apt-cache showpkg httpd | less" i get a list of "Reverse provides:" at the end with a list of packages that provide/satisfy the virtual package httpd |
| 07:38.29 | Artemis3 | skribblezatcha, you can simply aptitude -t wheezy-backports search package |
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| 07:41.43 | uncle_ben | i'm trying to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree but got package not found. i do have backports enabled in sources |
| 07:42.01 | Artemis3 | you using the -t option? |
| 07:42.14 | skribblezatcha | yeah it sure is Artemis3 . |
| 07:42.46 | Artemis3 | aptitude -t wheezy-bakcports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:42.56 | Artemis3 | oops |
| 07:43.02 | Artemis3 | aptitude -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 07:43.28 | Artemis3 | uncle_ben |
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| 07:43.50 | skribblezatcha | i guess there is a lot in backports. i didnt think that it would be as large as it is. thats pretty neat. |
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| 07:44.25 | uncle_ben | Artemis3, ok let me try it |
| 07:44.25 | Artemis3 | skribblezatcha, sadly no minetest :( |
| 07:44.37 | skribblezatcha | :) |
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| 07:45.36 | lsme | jmcnaught: Ah I see. Thanks I got it solved now |
| 07:46.00 | CeBe | skribblezatcha, txomon|fon: this guy convinced me to not choose ubuntu https://micahflee.com/2013/01/why-im-leaving-ubuntu-for-debian/ :) |
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| 07:46.35 | uncle_ben | Artemis3, ok tried it but got same "not found" message |
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| 07:49.43 | uncle_ben | deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian wheezy-backports main is my mirror |
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| 07:49.54 | Artemis3 | uncle_ben, should be this one: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/pepperflashplugin-nonfree Did you aptitude update yet after adding backports to your sources.list? |
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| 07:53.11 | skribblezatcha | i am reading it now CeBe . |
| 07:53.52 | bezaban | ,v libressl |
| 07:53.53 | judd | No package named 'libressl' was found in i386. |
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| 07:58.36 | uncle_ben | Artemis3, ok i think i know what the problem is...uchicago doesn't have a backports mirror |
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| 07:58.56 | uncle_ben | i need a corrected formed backports deb url |
| 07:58.59 | Artemis3 | hehe ok |
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| 07:59.25 | uncle_ben | i want to use this one: http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/debian-backports/ |
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| 07:59.36 | uncle_ben | how should it be in the sources file? |
| 07:59.55 | Artemis3 | http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 08:00.11 | halt | hi all i have an issue with sudo, all seams to be ok but it's still does not do what I expect, can someone have a look please ? http://paste.debian.net/plain/100555 |
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| 08:00.55 | uncle_ben | yeah, i went there and that's were i got the url i just posted, but just prepending deb in front of it doesn't work |
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| 08:01.33 | Artemis3 | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 08:02.15 | bhuddah | halt: have you defined which sudo rights this group should get? |
| 08:03.22 | halt | bhuddah: 5-6 line of the paste |
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| 08:04.40 | uncle_ben | Artemis3, sorry..it's a bit confusing...how much of the mirror url do i use? |
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| 08:05.48 | halt | uncle_ben: [type] [url] [distro] [repo] |
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| 08:06.25 | halt | bhuddah: so yeas i think so i did, but maybe wrong |
| 08:07.39 | bhuddah | halt: i see. |
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| 08:09.17 | Artemis3 | uncle_ben, replace YOURMIRROR.debian.org with host |
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| 08:09.43 | Artemis3 | uncle_ben, first column here: YOURMIRROR.debian.org |
| 08:09.51 | Artemis3 | uncle_ben, first column here: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 08:10.03 | uncle_ben | halt, deb http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/debian-backports/ wheezy-backports main didn't work |
| 08:10.12 | uncle_ben | halt, deb http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/debian-backports/ wheezy main didn't work either |
| 08:10.31 | Artemis3 | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 08:10.38 | bhuddah | halt: i think i remember there were some strange problems with the exact syntax and the spaces in the sudoers config... maybe try it with spaces round the = |
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| 08:11.12 | Artemis3 | you have to put wheezy-backports there |
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| 08:11.59 | Artemis3 | and where did you get that debian-backports from? |
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| 08:13.35 | halt | bhuddah: i tried it i few different format, all is valid by the visudo check but none of them really works |
| 08:14.33 | uncle_ben | deb http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main didn't work |
| 08:14.40 | uncle_ben | that's the host |
| 08:15.08 | bhuddah | halt: well. maybe it's something different. because "%group ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL" works for me too |
| 08:15.39 | themill | uncle_ben: does that hostname really look right to you? |
| 08:15.46 | uncle_ben | no |
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| 08:16.18 | Artemis3 | oh my |
| 08:16.24 | uncle_ben | YOURMIRROR really doesn't tell me much |
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| 08:16.35 | Artemis3 | <Artemis3> uncle_ben, replace YOURMIRROR.debian.org with host |
| 08:16.40 | uncle_ben | leaseweb.net is the host |
| 08:16.42 | Artemis3 | try not to make me repeat again |
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| 08:17.04 | halt | bhuddah: is the more specific rules have a priority ? maybe |
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| 08:18.08 | uncle_ben | Artemis3, if this is frustrating you that's ok...i'll just hit the forums...thanks anyway |
| 08:18.24 | bhuddah | halt: so you haven't tried it with a testuser? there fit more rules to that user? |
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| 08:19.29 | halt | bhuddah: that's my test user, but yeah i thing there is more rules for the group, not for the user itself but for the group but with less commands |
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| 08:20.06 | bhuddah | halt: i don't get it... if you have an ALL rule in there.. why would you need different stuff? can you test it without the other stuff please? |
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| 08:20.47 | halt | bhuddah: that's what I'm doing now, and this all is just temp, the default is the limited but give a sec |
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| 08:27.50 | Thomasss | Hello, I am wondering today, is there a reason why php5-xcache is missing in testing(jessie) but is present in stable(wheezy) and unstable(sid)? |
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| 08:31.02 | themill | that would normally be because it's buggy |
| 08:31.03 | themill | !why is php5-xcache not in testing |
| 08:31.04 | dpkg | php5-xcache is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php5-xcache |
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| 08:33.18 | Thomasss | Thanks. |
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| 08:47.12 | halt | bhuddah: yeah that was the issue now i have to find out a way to indulde the user but not the sudo in the manifest, but that's that's resloved my issue |
| 08:48.17 | bhuddah | halt: good luck then. |
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| 08:52.01 | toString | hi |
| 08:52.10 | toString | i'm doing a deboostrap on a remote server |
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| 08:52.31 | toString | all seems to go fine until i do a grub-install /dev/sda |
| 08:52.39 | toString | it hangs on: Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
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| 09:06.52 | afidegnum | hello, please can you help diagnose what is causing my page not to display at https://myipaddress:8083/ |
| 09:07.26 | afidegnum | hello, I have been trying hard but still can't have a clue. while trying to access https://myip:8083 |
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| 09:09.22 | afidegnum | hi, I have been disconnected, any message left for me ? |
| 09:09.42 | jelly | afidegnum: you did not post any useful information about your issue |
| 09:10.23 | afidegnum | oh, I thought i posted it, |
| 09:10.33 | jelly | <afidegnum> hello, I have been trying hard but still can't have a clue. while trying to access https://myip:8083 # was the last line |
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| 09:11.03 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.11 | afidegnum | I don't know what i m not doing right |
| 09:11.40 | jelly | afidegnum: is the http service running at all? Can you connect to the ip and port with telnet? |
| 09:12.16 | afidegnum | apache is up and running |
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| 09:12.29 | afidegnum | web folder is running |
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| 09:12.39 | jelly | afidegnum: is the main apache process listening on the right IP address and port? |
| 09:12.49 | afidegnum | the ip address is https://78.46.85.230:8083 |
| 09:13.04 | jelly | (as verified with lsof) |
| 09:13.40 | lsme | Mhm, or if you don't have lsof, netstat -lptn | grep :8083 |
| 09:13.41 | jelly | afidegnum: works from here. |
| 09:13.51 | byte | moin |
| 09:14.02 | afidegnum | ???? |
| 09:14.04 | jelly | afidegnum: "Vesta Control Panel" and a login screen |
| 09:14.05 | afidegnum | what do you see? |
| 09:14.13 | afidegnum | heeey.. strange, it is not working here |
| 09:14.36 | jelly | used elinks |
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| 09:16.30 | jelly | afidegnum: make sure your browser is not rejecting self-signed certificates with an invalid CN |
| 09:16.30 | afidegnum | jelly: what can cause it? it's strange it's not working here, |
| 09:16.49 | afidegnum | there supposed to be a notification for that... |
| 09:17.00 | afidegnum | so I will accept the self signed certificate |
| 09:17.01 | lsme | Firewall issues maybe |
| 09:17.21 | afidegnum | which country are you located in please? |
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| 09:18.13 | afidegnum | which browswer are you using please? |
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| 09:19.40 | afidegnum | jelly: how do I fix that please? |
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| 09:20.54 | jelly | afidegnum: elinks 0.12~pre5-9 from Debian 7, and firefox esr 24.5, 32bit. I have no idea what needs fixing, since it seems to work from here. |
| 09:21.19 | jelly | afidegnum: again. Can you telnet to the port? |
| 09:22.01 | afidegnum | I am doing some tracert on my windows pc here, |
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| 09:22.24 | afidegnum | it seems the first line is not displaying then it redirect to london, and germany |
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| 09:23.16 | jelly | feel free to highlight me when you actually get to doing the basic tcp troubleshooting with telnet. |
| 09:25.18 | afidegnum | jelly: here is the traceroute http://paste.debian.net/100566/ |
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| 09:25.57 | jelly | afidegnum: I did not ask for a traceroute, dude |
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| 09:26.44 | jelly | afidegnum: if you can't do a "telnet 78.46.85.230 8083" I'm not sure I can help further. |
| 09:27.35 | afidegnum | jelly: it's connected |
| 09:27.46 | afidegnum | or is the problem could be from my ISP ? |
| 09:28.56 | jelly | afidegnum: if it connected, that's a good sign and probably rules out firewall issues. Consider trying a different browser. |
| 09:29.26 | afidegnum | all the 3 browsers I used is facing the same thing |
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| 09:29.34 | afidegnum | that's why I am suspecting my ISP |
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| 09:30.41 | jelly | afidegnum: it's probably not a debian issue, then |
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| 09:34.19 | syndrome | Hello. |
| 09:34.43 | z8z | syndrome: Hello |
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| 09:45.52 | skribblezatcha | that was a decent read CeBe . |
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| 09:48.35 | hetOrakel | hi, i have and sdc1 mounted on /mnt/usb but there is no sdc1 /dev/ umount -f does not work |
| 09:48.42 | hetOrakel | how can i fix this without reboot? |
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| 09:57.51 | Cactusaurus | I know this doesn't seem important, I was wondering, I changed my driver's to nonfree and anything on ctrl + alt f1-7 is at like 600x600 vs my native resolution. Is there any config files, or something? |
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| 09:58.14 | OpenTokix | hetOrakel: try: umount -l -f /mnt/usb |
| 09:58.35 | OpenTokix | hetOrakel: -l is lazy, and it just drops the mount |
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| 09:58.59 | Cactusaurus | what kind of books can I read in order to know the cli better that are open? |
| 09:59.47 | Cactusaurus | ;_. nvm |
| 09:59.53 | sep | hello. how do you remove a failed and removed partition from a madm array when mdadm /dev/md0 -r detached and mdadm /dev/md0 -r failed does not do anything. and mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sda1 only complains that sda1 does not exsist |
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| 10:01.27 | Brigo | Cactusaurus, if you want to change the console font run as root dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 10:02.45 | CeBe | !help |
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| 10:03.49 | violet-rpi | hi i'm trying wiki.davical.org/w/Debian , but at Creating and Building the Database , i have no command postgres, i have /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/postgres , but if i issue /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/postgres -c /usr/share/davical/dba/create-database.sh i get http://pastebin.com/EVjYqNYj |
| 10:03.59 | jelly | CeBe: if you want to ask bot things, you can do it in private with /msg dpkg stuff |
| 10:04.20 | CeBe | jelly: yeah, thanks. just found that out myself :) |
| 10:04.37 | jelly | violet-rpi: you're supposed to run postgres administration commmands as postgres user |
| 10:05.01 | violet-rpi | srry indeed i just saw it myself thx |
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| 10:11.23 | rtur1 | I have a small apt repository on my server but no Translation files for the packages, so apt fills my apache error log with tons of "file not found: ... i18n/Translation..". I added "Acquire { Languages "none"; };" to my apt.conf and it does work. But I would like apt to ignore Translation files only for a specific repository, how could I do that ? |
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| 10:51.18 | D1390 | i have a static wlan0, up and ready for be ana acces point by hostapd and serve udchpd but sometimes the wlan0 gets down and i don't know why. how can i know what is the cause?ç |
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| 10:52.00 | ciccios780 | Noah |
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| 11:00.20 | sandman13 | what is apt-pinning? |
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| 11:02.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell sandman13 -about pinning |
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| 11:02.46 | sandman13 | babilen: thanks |
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| 11:03.34 | babilen | sandman13: pinning is occasionaly a sign of a problematic setup that one should rather avoid. What are you trying to do? |
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| 11:03.40 | leavfin | I'm upgrading from stable to testing |
| 11:04.21 | sandman13 | babilen: I was thinking of apt-pinning |
| 11:04.35 | leavfin | And it takes serval hours to resolving dependencies |
| 11:04.52 | leavfin | Is it normal ? |
| 11:05.27 | babilen | leavfin: Please note that testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and we would also have to know what you have changed and which command takes hours exactly. |
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| 11:05.54 | babilen | sandman13: Just out of the blue? You woke up this morning and thought "apt-pinning, what is that?" |
| 11:06.10 | leavfin | babilen: just aptitude full-upgrade |
| 11:06.51 | babilen | leavfin: I'd "apt-get upgrade" first, but it might very well be the case that testing is currently uninstallable and that you require some selected packages from unstable. |
| 11:07.03 | babilen | Anyway, rest in #debian-next :) |
| 11:07.10 | sandman13 | babilen: okay I read it some where that apt-pinning can get you some newer packages without leaving stable branch |
| 11:08.14 | leavfin | babilen: thanks |
| 11:08.26 | babilen | sandman13: That is *not* true. Mixing stable with anything but backports is a recipe for disaster. You will run into problems sooner or later and the sane way to get newer versions is to use backports. If the package you want has not been backported already then you can try to backport it yourself by following the method outlined in <simple sid backport>. |
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| 11:08.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell leavfin -about tum |
| 11:09.14 | babilen | leavfin: You probably want that setup at this point in the release cycle anyway and it should allow the package manager to solve some dependencies ... |
| 11:13.38 | sandman13 | babilen: why is that when I open VLC alonside with youtube VLC reads an error Audio output failed: The audio device "default" could not be used: Device or resource busy. |
| 11:13.58 | sandman13 | is there a way to fix this? |
| 11:14.08 | sandman13 | I am using ALSA btw |
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| 11:18.14 | gregor2 | how can i install debian on usb stick? |
| 11:19.30 | sandman13 | gregor2: Live mode? |
| 11:20.26 | gregor2 | whats live mode? |
| 11:21.00 | gregor2 | i want to install it so that i can boot from the usb drive into debian! |
| 11:21.38 | nkuttler | gregor2: as long as your bios can boot off usb there's nothing special about a usb install |
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| 11:21.51 | sandman13 | gregor2: you mean like you would do with HDDs |
| 11:21.52 | gregor2 | but how can i do this? |
| 11:21.58 | gregor2 | yes |
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| 11:23.32 | abrotman | gregor2: just like an HDD |
| 11:23.45 | gregor2 | insert the cd and install it on the usb? |
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| 11:24.10 | abrotman | yes .. if your BIOS supports booting from USB, should just work |
| 11:24.15 | gregor2 | can i also do this without burning a cd? |
| 11:24.37 | abrotman | what install media would you like to use? |
| 11:25.06 | gregor2 | maybe mounting the iso image? |
| 11:25.11 | D1390 | gregor2, life usb is a debian system that executes entirely from the usb... ifyou take the usb some where means you take your system with you. there is also the possibility to install a system bootloader in an usb and use it as a car's key for starting your computer's system where you take the usb with you and the system stays in the computer but it wont boot up unless yu plug the usb |
| 11:25.26 | babilen | sandman13: Yes, use pulseaudio |
| 11:25.28 | abrotman | gregor2: you mean from inside another linux distro ? |
| 11:25.55 | sandman13 | babilen: wiping out ALSA? |
| 11:25.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gregor2 about debootstreap |
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| 11:27.03 | hetOrakel | OpenTokix: Thank you. I'll already found out..... i was trying to: umount /dev/sdc1 which did not work (-f and -l i already knew) |
| 11:27.12 | OpenTokix | hetOrakel: ok |
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| 11:27.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gregor2 about debootstrap |
| 11:27.55 | abrotman | there we go .. |
| 11:29.31 | babilen | sandman13: No, not at all. Pulseaudio sits on top of ALSA |
| 11:30.05 | sandman13 | babilen: will there be any issues? |
| 11:30.51 | babilen | sandman13: I cannot predict the future, but it has been the standard setup in Debian (and other distributions) for quite a while. tias? |
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| 11:32.26 | sandman13 | tias okay i will |
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| 11:34.34 | gregor2 | what is a good software for burning cds? |
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| 11:36.50 | babilen | gregor2: wodim, brasero and k3b are common choices |
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| 11:37.23 | gregor2 | what about nero linux? |
| 11:37.55 | towo` | it's dead |
| 11:38.24 | babilen | It was also never packaged (due to not being open source) |
| 11:38.30 | babilen | IIRC, that is. |
| 11:38.38 | babilen | gregor2: What's wrong with my suggestions? |
| 11:38.49 | gregor2 | nothing |
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| 11:58.57 | outcastleperuncl | ? Have #! Waldorf. Recently installed Debian (Gnome 3) to separate logical partition. Grub Legacy took over for Grub2/GrubPC. How to kick GrubLegacy to the curb and get Grub back in charge? Please & TY. |
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| 12:08.05 | Walex | outcastleperuncl: you question is worded a bit confusingly. GRUB and other booters are enabled when their boot code is configured to be started by the BIOS/UEFI. |
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| 12:08.44 | Walex | outcastleperuncl: whichever boot code the BIOS/UEFI finds in the MBR or boot partition gets started. So in a sense the last booter installed/configured wins. |
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| 12:10.51 | outcastleperuncl | Sadly, yes. Have tried reinstall of Grub2 per forums/google searches. My n00b status thwarts me however. |
| 12:11.01 | outcastleperuncl | IE, I fail. |
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| 12:13.51 | petn-randall | outcastleperuncl: You'll have to ask the people from crunchbang, we only support Debian in here. |
| 12:13.58 | petn-randall | !crunchbang |
| 12:13.58 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 12:16.27 | outcastleperuncl | TY all for your time. |
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| 12:24.41 | sandman13 | is IW29 supported in Debian Wheezy? |
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| 12:30.14 | blue_sky | anyone know where to find the MD5sum for firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 12:31.24 | petn-randall | blue_sky: It's in the same directory where the iso is. |
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| 12:32.17 | blue_sky | petn-randall: ah, I got it from a web-page, will rummage around cdimage.debian.org then, thanks |
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| 12:42.39 | petn-randall | blue_sky: "a" web page ... ? Check these pages: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ and https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 12:46.42 | nodata | hi |
| 12:46.46 | nodata | i have a problem , when lookup my ip it can't resolve to hostname but when lookup to hostname it show same ip ? why ip can't resovle to hostname ? (i am using debian6 vps, IPV4) |
| 12:46.56 | nodata | i am in VPS panel , i have rights to change reverse DNS |
| 12:47.36 | surak | ip does not "resolve" to hostname |
| 12:47.43 | ajcrowe | what command are you doing for the lookup nodata? |
| 12:49.13 | nodata | http://whatismyipaddress.com/hostname-ip |
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| 12:49.55 | surak | that is not what you think it is, it does not resolve, it looks at a list of DNS entries and compares to see if any are hosted at that ip |
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| 12:50.45 | surak | to do that in ur linux box use "nslookup google.com" |
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| 12:51.24 | nodata | ok |
| 12:51.44 | gdm85 | I've specified a command to not require password through sudo. it works if I test it locally, however when trying to execute this command via ssh, I always get asked the password |
| 12:51.50 | gdm85 | does somebody have a clue? |
| 12:52.13 | d3lxa | systemd is now pushed in testing? huh? |
| 12:52.17 | nodata | -bash: nslookup: command not found |
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| 12:52.50 | d3lxa | nodata: install dnsutils |
| 12:53.04 | nodata | how in debian6 ? |
| 12:53.18 | nodata | i am beginner |
| 12:53.20 | ajcrowe | apt-get install dnsutils |
| 12:53.21 | d3lxa | nodata: with your package manager |
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| 12:53.48 | nodata | Setting up dnsutils (1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11) ... |
| 12:53.51 | babilen | nodata: Please read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 12:54.27 | nodata | now it works |
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| 12:54.35 | surak | hehe |
| 12:54.44 | nodata | nslookup works |
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| 12:54.57 | surak | it works for almost any OS, its the tool to talk to DNS servers |
| 12:54.58 | monkwitdafunk | Hi users. I finally have the entire base distribution on dvd |
| 12:55.21 | monkwitdafunk | It took me since 7.2.0 |
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| 12:56.12 | dvs | monkwitdafunk: why on DVD? I have it all on one USB flash drive. |
| 12:56.33 | monkwitdafunk | Write once read many |
| 12:56.57 | monkwitdafunk | I have a handfull of optical media waste |
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| 12:57.22 | dvs | waste?!? |
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| 12:57.28 | dvs | wow |
| 12:57.51 | monkwitdafunk | Yeah. I opted to use dvd-rw and it worked |
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| 12:58.42 | monkwitdafunk | Has anyone used the entire base distribution for at least six months? |
| 12:59.00 | monkwitdafunk | i am considering the user experience |
| 12:59.15 | OpenTokix | What do you mean? |
| 12:59.45 | monkwitdafunk | Install the entire base distro. Dvd1 to dvd3 |
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| 13:00.50 | OpenTokix | Like a binary hoarder? |
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| 13:02.30 | monkwitdafunk | I am preparing for the clean install and i want to do it once perfectly |
| 13:03.13 | gdm85 | I have been reading around https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2014/05/msg00013.html |
| 13:03.30 | themill | monkwitdafunk: I'm not sure anyone understand what you're actually asking. (and I don't know what definition of "base" is requiring 3 DVDs) |
| 13:04.14 | gdm85 | question: if one needs to have kernel 3.8+ on a stable distro and with security updates, we can say that there is currently no Debian stable available correct? |
| 13:05.02 | abrotman | gdm85: that email is rubbish |
| 13:05.23 | gdm85 | abrotman: ah, nice synthesis :) I was looking at the replies, not at the (flaming) first email itself |
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| 13:05.51 | monkwitdafunk | I guess i will consider each optional install during install themill |
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| 13:07.48 | Sbroker | [Away] demasiado autismo -autoaway, 15 mins- (Log:Pager) desde el 19 May 15:07:48 |
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| 13:10.58 | monkwitdafunk | I want ltsp-5 for debian to be a server for pxe boot. Can i install it if i have the three dvd's without the internet? |
| 13:11.40 | abrotman | Sbroker: please turn that off .. |
| 13:11.56 | dvs | abrotman: chanserv silented him |
| 13:12.06 | abrotman | oh, that was themill |
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| 13:12.23 | dvs | sneaky dude1 |
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| 13:12.32 | abrotman | also, it annoyingly sends you a notice when you highlight it |
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| 13:21.24 | abrotman | gdm85: that's a lovely thread .. Did you have a specific question about it? |
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| 13:22.21 | gdm85 | abrotman: yes, I am wondering: if one needs a 3.8+ linux kernel with security patches, then it's better to choose Ubuntu at least for now until Jessie is available. correct? |
| 13:22.42 | abrotman | gdm85: But Debian alrady backports patches .. Not sure what 3.8+ has to do with it |
| 13:22.43 | dvs | gdm85: or you can get a backported kernel |
| 13:23.43 | gdm85 | abrotman: because current stable kernel is 3.2 on Wheezy |
| 13:23.57 | abrotman | gdm85: and what? They still backport patches |
| 13:24.00 | gdm85 | dvs: so the Debian backported kernel is comparable if not better than Ubuntu's one? |
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| 13:24.13 | gdm85 | abrotman: I said: if one needs 3.8+ it's a prereq |
| 13:24.15 | abrotman | gdm85: are you aware of a specific case where 3.8+ is needed? |
| 13:24.21 | gdm85 | abrotman: yes unfortunately |
| 13:24.27 | abrotman | gdm85: for security? |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | or for another reason? |
| 13:24.40 | gdm85 | abrotman: no, for features. but then I also need it to be with security patches |
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| 13:25.11 | gdm85 | so main reason to use 3.8+ is for features but I don't want it to be uncovered by security patches. what dvs said sounds correct e.g. use a backported kernel |
| 13:25.11 | ajcrowe | does the backports kernel get updates? |
| 13:25.17 | abrotman | gdm85: which features? the BPO kernels have some security, but they more closely follow Jessie/Testing, so security isn't the primary concern as of yet |
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| 13:25.24 | abrotman | ajcrowe: yes, as Jessie gets updates |
| 13:25.38 | ajcrowe | 3.12 is in wheezy-backports but i'm not sure how quickly get security fixes |
| 13:25.46 | themill | ajcrowe: 3.14 |
| 13:25.48 | gdm85 | abrotman: yeah that's how I understand it |
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| 13:26.08 | abrotman | gdm85: you still didn't state which features you need from 3.8+ |
| 13:26.12 | themill | gdm85: drivers are routinely backported into the stable kernel so if that's what you're looking for a newer kernel, you should check whether the wheezy kernel is ok. |
| 13:26.13 | somiaj | ajcrowe: the backport kernel does update, but it may not get security fixes in a timely fashion. Sometimesit gets them from jessie, sometimes you just have to wait for the next major version (3.13 is in backports now I belive) to fix them. |
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| 13:26.37 | ajcrowe | packages.debian.org is showing 3.12 for wheezy-backports |
| 13:26.47 | themill | ,kernels --release wheezy-backports |
| 13:26.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.4-1~bpo70+1) |
| 13:27.00 | ajcrowe | oh odd |
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| 13:27.22 | somiaj | ajcrowe: 3.12, 3.13 and 3.14 are all in wheezy backports, guess they don't clean the older ones out that quickly. |
| 13:27.35 | themill | packages.d.o shows 3.14 in backports for me. |
| 13:27.36 | ajcrowe | ah, damn that scrollbar :) |
| 13:27.53 | gdm85 | abrotman: patches like this: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=17cf22c33e1f1b5e435469c84e43872579497653 (not a feature, but a bugfix in this case) |
| 13:28.05 | abrotman | gdm85: are you sure that's not already in Wheezy? |
| 13:28.57 | gdm85 | abrotman: no, did not verify this. I am assuming is not there because I got exactly the type of crash that happens without that patch |
| 13:29.14 | abrotman | gdm85: and you filed a bug against the wheeezy kernel? |
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| 13:30.26 | gdm85 | abrotman: no, I checked with vendor and they told me "oh, 3.2? minimum requirement is 3.8" only RHEL has patches for 2.6.x and 3.2.x trees.. but yeah, checking if patch is there and submitting the bug is the homework I missed |
| 13:31.29 | abrotman | gdm85: doesn't mean Debian can't have the patch if you submit a bug pointing at the patch .. |
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| 13:32.12 | M4rkus | Hi! since the dist-upgrade(maybe long before) from squeeze to wheezy I have an issue wich a md softraid(and lvm2). mdadm -D /dev/md127 |
| 13:32.20 | themill | gdm85: vendors and version checks never work out very well... but it sounds like you probably want the backports kernel here. The maintainer is quite good about maintaining it. |
| 13:32.27 | somiaj | hmm, the 'debian changelog' link on p.d.o didn't seem to be working, was trying to point to the change log, maybe you can see the fix there. |
| 13:32.45 | M4rkus | shows way to much events. how can I see what events ? |
| 13:32.50 | gdm85 | abrotman: true, but my concern is for the other patches I would be missing.. |
| 13:33.12 | abrotman | gdm85: only if required .. (and of course, none of this has anything to do with the original thread you posted) |
| 13:33.13 | gdm85 | themill: yes, I understand |
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| 13:34.08 | M4rkus | also while boot two raid configurations are detected. md126 and md128 and they are showing the other drive as non existant _U and U_ |
| 13:34.24 | gdm85 | sorry abrotman, but you slowly hijacked me by asking specific questions. I said very clearly: is there a stable debian distro with kernel 3.8+ and *officially* mantained security patches? answer is no |
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| 13:34.56 | abrotman | gdm85: not currently, no .. Not sure if squeeze-lts might change this in the future (i know squeeze isn't hweezy) |
| 13:35.06 | M4rkus | how to find out what kind of events and how to know wich raid1 config to resync. md126 or md127 |
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| 13:35.43 | gdm85 | abrotman: yes I understand. thanks for the support, I am trying to put up a use-case for production servers, thus I have to be very clear about what we have and what not |
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| 13:37.38 | themill | gdm85: I'd personally rather deal with backported kernels and the potentially patchy security support there than deal with the lack of security support for the rest of the packages you will want that you'd get from any other distro |
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| 13:37.52 | shomon | hi |
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| 13:38.15 | Panterh3art | can someone help me ? |
| 13:38.23 | Panterh3art | with mysql |
| 13:38.29 | Panterh3art | and plesk |
| 13:38.54 | themill | Panterh3art: only if you ask a specific question without hitting the enter key every 2 words. |
| 13:39.20 | somiaj | gdm85: I'd still say look at the changelog for both the debian 3.2 kenrel and the upstream 3.2.x branch (looks like wheezy has 3.2.57 now), it could be the paticular patches you are worried about are fixed |
| 13:39.50 | gdm85 | somiaj: ok, will give a look |
| 13:41.06 | somiaj | Panterh3art: there are better channels for that, is this plesk installed on a debian sever (or vps)? |
| 13:41.48 | somiaj | Panterh3art: but #mysql or ##plesk may be a better place to ask, depending on if your question is specific to plesk or not |
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| 13:43.02 | Panterh3art | debian vps |
| 13:43.09 | Panterh3art | also getting dpkg errors |
| 13:43.10 | Panterh3art | ;/ |
| 13:43.22 | surak | Panterh3art: not with plesk :/ |
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| 13:43.43 | somiaj | Panterh3art: well I would deal with one problem at the time. Can you paste the actual dpkg errors you are getting (including the command you ran) |
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| 13:44.55 | Panterh3art | http://pastebin.com/mWPb8txL |
| 13:45.24 | Panterh3art | it doesn't mather what command i use but apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:46.54 | somiaj | Panterh3art: it seems something is setup so you aren't able to start the mysql server, it seems weird to me that the vps with plesk didn't have mysql already installed? My guess is some conflict with plesk. |
| 13:47.05 | Panterh3art | it was installed |
| 13:47.08 | Panterh3art | it worked just fine |
| 13:47.14 | Panterh3art | but yesterday i wanted to login into plesk |
| 13:47.22 | Panterh3art | and i got 502 error |
| 13:47.36 | Panterh3art | bad gateway so i looked into the system i did apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 13:47.41 | Panterh3art | and then stuck at that error |
| 13:47.51 | somiaj | Panterh3art: Well I think the version of mysql the vps/plesk provides is causing some uncompadability with debian's mysql |
| 13:47.55 | Panterh3art | + and somewere |
| 13:48.05 | somiaj | Panterh3art: care to paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' at a pastbein |
| 13:48.08 | Panterh3art | well plesk sources are also not working for me |
| 13:48.11 | Panterh3art | sure |
| 13:48.57 | Panterh3art | http://pastebin.com/y4yyaZyZ |
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| 13:50.30 | Panterh3art | the system also ignores plesk sources |
| 13:51.02 | somiaj | Panterh3art: seems your vps is using a custom mirror, at this point due to you running plesk and us not knowing what things they may have changed on your system, I would almost say contacting your vps support is the best bet. |
| 13:51.24 | Panterh3art | i already did |
| 13:51.29 | Panterh3art | u know what they tell me |
| 13:51.41 | Panterh3art | ur system administrator it's your problem good bye sir |
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| 13:54.24 | somiaj | Panterh3art: well I do not know why the init script is failing when you start mysql, you may want to track this down. If you want to get the mysql updates installed correctly I can give you a method that will install the packages, you'll still have to go fix why it won't start |
| 13:55.19 | Panterh3art | alright can u explain me then why dpkg keeps stuck in removing 1 item ? |
| 13:55.28 | Panterh3art | can i remove that? |
| 13:55.33 | somiaj | Panterh3art: umm this sounds like another issue, what are you trying to remove? |
| 13:55.38 | somiaj | Panterh3art: do you want to fix this mysql issue first? |
| 13:56.26 | Panterh3art | it's all the same issue it all started at the same time i did apt-get remove psa |
| 13:56.31 | somiaj | Panterh3art: edit the fil /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst (this is the post install script) |
| 13:56.33 | shomon | I just installed the latest i686 debian, upgraded the ssl libraries, and when I go into X every application comes up as a blue box |
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| 13:57.29 | somiaj | Panterh3art: psa (is that one of the plesk packages) anyways those are not supported here, as I said try ##plesk for that. But anyways, in that file I told you to edit, go find the line that starts with invoke-rc.d (that starts/stops the mysql server) |
| 13:57.42 | shomon | can I switch to something failsafe to debug it? |
| 13:57.48 | Panterh3art | yes and then ? |
| 13:57.57 | Panterh3art | found it |
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| 13:58.13 | somiaj | Panterh3art: you can comment out any lines that start/stop the server. This will make it so the script won't fail and you can at least finish installing mysql, but after that you may have to find out why mysql won't start and figure out what how it links with plesk and the additional plesk packages on your system. |
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| 13:59.14 | Panterh3art | alright let's see |
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| 13:59.38 | somiaj | Panterh3art: but the psa packages are plesk, they are probably integrated with your system and removing them could have done some issues not supported here, you may want to try ##plesk for support on plesk. |
| 13:59.54 | somiaj | somehow I think trying to remove plesk packages broke things and this is not hte correct place to support fixing them |
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| 14:00.18 | Panterh3art | alright |
| 14:00.20 | Panterh3art | ty anyhow |
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| 14:03.02 | shomon | anyone know what to do to debug X if not working properly? |
| 14:03.10 | shomon | or I have no idea if it's X or the windowmanager |
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| 14:05.35 | somiaj | shomon: what window manager? |
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| 14:06.07 | somiaj | shomon: was it working fine before you 'upgraded the ssl libs', what do you mean by you upgraded them? What did you do to upgrade them? |
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| 14:08.00 | shomon | somiaj, I'm not sure what the default one is these days |
| 14:08.11 | shomon | but I just loaded i686 off a cd.. |
| 14:08.38 | shomon | and I upgraded as soon as I logged in, in a terminal screen |
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| 14:08.40 | wols_ | shomon: what is your actual problem with X? |
| 14:08.50 | shomon | everything I launch in X appears as a blue box |
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| 14:09.06 | shomon | in a terminal, when I type I see little graphical artifacts appear like black boxes |
| 14:09.20 | shomon | but everything else is just blue boxes... |
| 14:09.28 | somiaj | shomon: you can check /var/log/xorg.0.log to see what graphics drivesr and the likes were loaded by xorg |
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| 14:09.52 | somiaj | shomon: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net (just seems strange that an upgrade did this) |
| 14:10.14 | shomon | no, I dobut it was the upgrade actually.. I just did that in the hope it would fix something |
| 14:10.42 | somiaj | shomon: wonder if it is just some strange video driver bug, again what WM do you use? |
| 14:10.54 | somiaj | though sounds more like an xorg/video driver problem |
| 14:11.05 | shomon | I would like to use a simple and older one, but I have no idea what WM is used nowadays in debian |
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| 14:11.22 | shomon | it's that one where you press tab and it gets stuck for half an hour |
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| 14:11.26 | shomon | on this kind of hardware anyway |
| 14:12.08 | somiaj | shomon: the default is to install gnome (if you seleced desktop enviorment during the install) |
| 14:12.17 | somiaj | shomon: but you can install most wm's in debian |
| 14:12.30 | somiaj | maybe your hardware is just old and gnome fallback mode is even failing on it. |
| 14:12.48 | shomon | most probably |
| 14:12.56 | shomon | this is a frankenstein computer built from bits of other ones |
| 14:13.08 | somiaj | but look at logs, look at apt-cache policy (make sure you aren't mixing things and only installing from debian wheezy) but until you paste/share some of this info hard for us to do much more than guess. |
| 14:13.30 | shomon | sure.. just that without a windowing environment I can't really cut or paste |
| 14:13.36 | shomon | I'll transfer the files over.. |
| 14:14.25 | Quantum` | I am using X11 forwarding to run a iceweasel from a remote machine as a non-prived user. |
| 14:15.10 | Quantum` | I tried setting that user's shell to .usr/sbin/nologin, but now I can't run my app. |
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| 14:15.36 | Quantum` | "This account is currently not available." |
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| 14:16.15 | Quantum` | I should be able to run something with nologin, else what good is nologin. Just use false. |
| 14:16.17 | shomon | hmm how do I know what device a usb drive is on? dmesg says it's bus 1 device 5.. does that mean sda5? |
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| 14:17.03 | zykotick9 | shomon: if it's currently mounted "mount" might show you. |
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| 14:17.20 | shomon | actually X allowed me to mount it.. even though it came up in a blue box :) |
| 14:17.22 | shomon | thanks |
| 14:17.46 | petern_ | if dmesg shows you the usb bus & device, it'll also have the device name in there too. |
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| 14:22.38 | shomon | http://paste.debian.net/100627/ |
| 14:22.41 | shomon | okay that's it |
| 14:22.57 | somiaj | Quantum`: Well change it back, you do login when you use x11 forwarding, what is it you were trying to disable that user from being able to do? |
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| 14:24.03 | somiaj | shomon: well nouveau is the graphics driver you are using, what is the actual nvidia card you have? |
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| 14:24.16 | shomon | hmm |
| 14:24.27 | shomon | is there a way to tell from the terminal? |
| 14:24.32 | somiaj | shomon: lspci |
| 14:24.52 | zykotick9 | shomon: "lspci | grep -i vga" might make it easier... |
| 14:24.53 | shomon | vga compatible controller |
| 14:24.55 | wols_ | shomon: lspci -nn gives more needed info |
| 14:25.01 | shomon | geforce4 |
| 14:25.04 | shomon | mx 440 |
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| 14:25.51 | shomon | nvidia corporation nv18 no idea if that's what you need to know? |
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| 14:26.48 | somiaj | shomon: well that is an old card. I'm surprised nouveau isn't working. Thoughts I have, 1) the nouveau driver isn't liking that card, maybe force xorg to use vesa and at least see if you don't get blue boxes (you'll have crappy video drivers though) |
| 14:26.49 | somiaj | shomon: it could be that card is just going bad |
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| 14:27.03 | shomon | ah okay |
| 14:27.08 | shomon | I don't need magical colours |
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| 14:27.16 | shomon | just configure apache and git :) |
| 14:27.45 | shomon | how do I force xorg to use vesa somiaj? |
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| 14:28.25 | somiaj | shomon: http://paste.debian.net/100628/ -- you probabaly don't have an xorg.conf file, put just that info in an xorg.conf file and restart x |
| 14:28.57 | shomon | okay! |
| 14:28.59 | Quantum` | somiaj: I want to limit the non-prived user from opening a shell. |
| 14:29.43 | towo` | somiaj, vesa will not work as long the nouveau kernel driver is loaded |
| 14:30.04 | somiaj | towo`: oh it wont, hmm, he'll maybe have to blacklist it then. |
| 14:30.18 | somiaj | shomon: towo` had a comment that may effect your testing |
| 14:30.47 | somiaj | Quantum`: afiak when you tunnel a shell is opened to run iceweasel in (in your case) so I am unsure the best way to go about limiting this user from opening another shell |
| 14:30.54 | towo` | band btw, nouveau does support that mx400 card |
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| 14:31.30 | somiaj | yea I'm surprised it doesn't work, I still am thinking bad hardware, but testing vesa was somthing to see if there was just some strange conflict |
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| 15:01.36 | mordocai | Just grabbed a debian testing amd64 KDE cd and am trying to install on my thinkpad with Guided LVM w/ encryption and it seems stuck on "Creating EFI-fat16 filesystem". My co-worker mentioned it might need entropy but I have banged on the keyboard for a bit to no avail. Does this sound simply frozen or is this expected to take awhile? (It has been ~15 min) |
| 15:02.25 | fusmu | encryption should take |
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| 15:03.24 | petern_ | Tried a Wheezy installer? |
| 15:03.32 | mordocai | I have not yet |
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| 15:03.49 | mordocai | Pretty much have tried nothing but attempting to give it entropy :P |
| 15:03.51 | petern_ | Because the normal way to get testing installed is to install stable then upgrade. |
| 15:04.02 | petern_ | Also switch VTs to see if something is going on. |
| 15:04.28 | mordocai | Yeah, i'm not very familiar with busybox. ps shows partman stuff going on, doesn't appear to be a way to show cpu usage though. |
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| 15:06.40 | mordocai | Ah, there we go. /proc/loadavg does show a load average of 1.01 so I guess it is probably working, just taking awhile |
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| 15:16.50 | mordocai | By the way, the busybox on these debian install CDs is way too lightweight IMHO... no top, ps doesn't even have options available, etc. I know that busybox can have these features and am a bit dissapointed :(. Oh well |
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| 15:20.56 | jhutchins | mordocai: How big is that disk? |
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| 15:22.30 | mordocai | jhutchins: 500GB. Looks like I have this issue though: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=113912. This person claims a bug in the jessie installer. I figured out that it is sitting on format_efi |
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| 15:23.19 | BartDude | Hi! What happens if I download DVD1, put it on a USB, and boot from that? :/ |
| 15:23.39 | BartDude | I meant CD1. |
| 15:23.43 | BartDude | And why are there 8 of them? |
| 15:24.17 | mordocai | BartDude: You will have a installer boot so that you can install the system. The other discs are all the other packages. You only need the 1st for a standard install. |
| 15:24.20 | jhutchins | mordocai: You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that the maximum partition size for FAT16 is 4GB? |
| 15:24.53 | mordocai | jhutchins: It shouldn't be formatting the entire disk as 500GB, it -should- be only trying to format a few MB for the EFI partition. |
| 15:25.02 | BartDude | mordocai: Because the netinstall NEVER works for me. Is there any disadvantages to use the CD1 .iso? |
| 15:25.13 | mordocai | BartDude: Not that I know of |
| 15:25.31 | paul_grozav | Hello, how can I install KTechLab on debian wheezy ? |
| 15:25.34 | mordocai | BartDude: I mean, compared to the netinstall it'll be a bit out of date so you'll want to update once it is up |
| 15:25.41 | BartDude | mordocai: Good. What would I need the other 7 CDs for? |
| 15:25.51 | BartDude | mordocai: :O |
| 15:25.56 | jhutchins | mordocai: Ok, I should have been more careful of my terms, but if it's still formatting the EFI partition it's not working properly. |
| 15:25.59 | BartDude | mordocai: Is that really safe to do? |
| 15:26.12 | BartDude | I don't want to be connected to the Internet on an old system. :( |
| 15:26.32 | jhutchins | BartDude: Nobody who actually knows why there are so many disk images has been willing to share that information. It remains a mystery. |
| 15:26.48 | BartDude | jhutchins: Are you messing with me now? :P |
| 15:26.55 | paul_grozav | Why was KTechLab removed from the repos in wheezy? |
| 15:26.57 | mordocai | BartDude: You'd want the other disks if you needed packages that are only on them and didn't want to connect to the internet |
| 15:27.01 | petn-randall | BartDude: You only need to the netinstaller (~250 MB) to install anything you want, provided the machine has internet access. The whole CD/DVD collection is for case where you have no internet connection at all, e.g. nuclear power plants, bunkers, weather stations in antarctica, or the ISS. |
| 15:27.19 | jhutchins | BartDude: Debian stable is perfectly safe to connect to the internet. It's not like XP, where the half-life of a live system is less than the time it takes to install updates. |
| 15:27.30 | BartDude | mordocai: Ah, I understand. |
| 15:27.35 | jhutchins | BartDude: Testing does not get urgent security updates as quickly as stable does. |
| 15:27.38 | BartDude | petn-randall: But the netinstaller never works for me! :( |
| 15:27.47 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:27.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:27.53 | BartDude | jhutchins: 100% sure about that? |
| 15:28.02 | jhutchins | BartDude: Completely. |
| 15:28.13 | jhutchins | BartDude: Stable is what you run on servers. |
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| 15:28.29 | petn-randall | BartDude: I agree with jhutchins' statement. Start off with stable. |
| 15:28.38 | BartDude | petn-randall: Of course! |
| 15:28.44 | BartDude | But I wish the netinstaller worked for me. |
| 15:28.51 | BartDude | I can never select any mirrors. |
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| 15:29.18 | petern_ | Can you point us to the bug report? |
| 15:29.19 | BartDude | jhutchins: I was thinking about being perfectly safe to connect to the Internet. :P |
| 15:29.21 | petn-randall | BartDude: Sounds like a perfect question to ask in a Debian support channel, now you just need a verbose problem description. |
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| 15:29.54 | BartDude | I only have one PC, and this is the PC that I want debian installed on. I can never be in here WHILE trying to install. |
| 15:30.04 | BartDude | Blows. Every mirror is a bad mirror for me. :( |
| 15:30.12 | wols_ | BartDude: what ethernet card or wlan chip does this PC have? |
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| 15:30.29 | BartDude | wols_: How would I look that up in Ubuntu? Do you know? |
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| 15:30.36 | wols_ | lspci -nn |
| 15:30.42 | BartDude | Give me a minute. :) |
| 15:30.49 | wols_ | paste the full output of that to paste.debian.net please |
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| 15:31.09 | BartDude | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7488987/ |
| 15:31.10 | petn-randall | BartDude: It would help if you tell us what the actual error message is. You can document that with screenshots from your mobile, if there's no easier way. |
| 15:31.24 | BartDude | petn-randall: Nokia 3210. XD |
| 15:31.33 | BartDude | petn-randall: It just tells me that every mirror is a bad mirror. |
| 15:31.38 | BartDude | Like I'm not connected at all. |
| 15:31.38 | wols_ | BartDude: your ethernet is supported out of the box |
| 15:31.45 | petn-randall | BartDude: You're connected with your PC via wifi or Ethernet? |
| 15:31.46 | BartDude | wols_: Whaaaat? |
| 15:31.53 | BartDude | petn-randall: Ethernet! |
| 15:32.20 | petn-randall | BartDude: And do you get through the Ethernet setup step without problems? E.g. can you ping google from the command line? |
| 15:32.28 | wols_ | BartDude: in the debian installer, after the network is up, press "ctrl+alt+f2" and you get a console. you can "ping google.com" there for example |
| 15:32.37 | BartDude | petn-randall: I've never tried that during the installation. |
| 15:33.04 | BartDude | wols_: And what if that doesn't work? :O |
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| 15:33.20 | BartDude | I need as many tips as possible before trying again. |
| 15:33.22 | wols_ | then you check the output of ifconfig -a |
| 15:33.28 | BartDude | Because I won't be able to be here when I do it. |
| 15:33.40 | BartDude | wols_: And what do I want to see there? |
| 15:33.42 | wols_ | BartDude: I suggest you download a debian live cd and try it with that. nothing to install and such |
| 15:34.05 | wols_ | if the debian live cd works, then so should the installer. not to mention you can install debian with it too (has a netinst on board) |
| 15:34.06 | jhutchins | BartDude: The live CD will have an install option. |
| 15:34.09 | BartDude | wols_: I only have a USB drive. |
| 15:34.23 | wols_ | you can put the live cd on the usb drive too. just like with ubuntu |
| 15:34.29 | BartDude | Woho! :O |
| 15:34.38 | BartDude | What do I download? Please give me a link, guys. :) |
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| 15:34.51 | mordocai | Can someone with more experience searching the bug tracker help me out? I want to make sure that efi formatting issue with jessie is reported. I was using guided encrypted lvm and at least one other person has reported it. |
| 15:35.04 | petn-randall | BartDude: If that fails, it's best to get a second machine to be online here, you can go over to a friend if it's a laptop, or invite a friend with a laptop to your place. That way you can have an install party ;) |
| 15:35.11 | mordocai | has reported it not on the bug tracker* |
| 15:35.20 | BartDude | petn-randall: I wish I had any friends. ;( |
| 15:35.27 | BartDude | wols_: jhutchins: Which one? http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/7.5.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 15:36.28 | BartDude | petn-randall: But, yes, I would love to be able to be here. |
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| 15:37.23 | BartDude | Would it be this one? http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/7.5.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.5.0-amd64-standard.iso |
| 15:38.43 | wols_ | this is the one with gnome3, yes |
| 15:39.03 | wols_ | or maybe not :( |
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| 15:40.11 | BartDude | wols_: :O |
| 15:40.18 | BartDude | Should I choose something else? |
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| 15:41.27 | araech | uh oh |
| 15:41.37 | araech | uh oh :( cannot read from superblock |
| 15:41.47 | araech | fsck is suggesting it might be a zero-length partition |
| 15:42.01 | petn-randall | araech: Can you paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 15:43.08 | wols_ | BartDude: choose the one with the desktop of your choice from the 4 available |
| 15:43.29 | BartDude | wols_: Yes, but I don't know what "standard" means. :P |
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| 15:43.38 | BartDude | What is different there from the gnome one? |
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| 15:44.15 | wols_ | probably a different desktop environment or none at all. I have no clue since I never used it. hence: use a gnome, kde, lxde or xfce iso instead |
| 15:44.42 | blackhole | Hi, I am running Debian 7. To delete text in terminal or anywhere (browser/ide) I have to keep pressing backspace key for each character, in windows if I kept backspace key pressed it will automatecally keep deleting. Is that possible in Debian ? |
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| 15:44.49 | BartDude | wols_: gnome it is! :D |
| 15:44.58 | blackhole | I am using Gnome ... |
| 15:45.18 | BartDude | wols_: How updated are these live CDs? |
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| 15:45.31 | petn-randall | blackhole: enable key repeat in the keyboard settings of gnome. |
| 15:45.38 | blackhole | Ahh ok thnx |
| 15:46.07 | wols_ | BartDude: debian 7.5 came out this month or so. so pretty recent |
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| 15:46.29 | BartDude | wols_: Oh! :) |
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| 15:47.02 | petn-randall | BartDude: 7.x are all point releases, though, so just bugfixes to the 7.x release branch. |
| 15:47.17 | BartDude | petn-randall: Good point. :P |
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| 15:48.50 | nmschulte | How can I show local changes from the original dpkg provided file? |
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| 15:49.21 | nmschulte | e.g. show the differences between my local /etc/profile and the dpkg .deb provided /etc/profile. |
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| 15:50.00 | krpt | mouhaha aptitude segfault.. I'm not home yet X) |
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| 15:50.57 | araech | I was copying files off of a USB externel hard drive that is encrypted with LUKS: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/246d551c/ << I think i've got a bad superblock |
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| 15:51.54 | petn-randall | araech: Check /var/log/kern.log for any other errors, I'm assuming your block device is dying. |
| 15:52.07 | petn-randall | araech: Is it a HDD/SSD? Which release is this? |
| 15:52.15 | araech | HDD, sid |
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| 15:52.42 | petn-randall | araech: Ah, then let's head off to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, I'm there, too, and it's the sid support channel. |
| 15:52.56 | araech | oftc disconnects me every 6 minutes but okay |
| 15:53.09 | jelly | araech: check dmesg / kern.log. It's likely the device disconnected and connected back. |
| 15:53.18 | jelly | much like oftc! |
| 15:53.20 | araech | yeah, Buffer I/O error on the device |
| 15:53.31 | jelly | look before that. |
| 15:54.44 | petn-randall | --> #debian-next, irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:59.19 | krpt | anyone has already made aptitude segfaulted ? got nothing in /var/log/aptitude , I tried to upgrade, it's been a while, I'm on Sid, cannot connect on oftc.net ( port filtered by proxy ) |
| 15:59.58 | wols_ | krpt: then use apt-get |
| 16:00.12 | wols_ | and make sure your hardware is OK and your sid is up to date |
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| 16:00.32 | krpt | wols_: apt-get does nothing, it just keeps packet that could be upgraded in current version |
| 16:01.03 | wols_ | !tell krpt about bat |
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| 16:01.49 | krpt | I guess that's what I got for not updating my sid for a long time |
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| 16:02.39 | petn-randall | krpt: It's irc.oftc.net, not oftc.net. |
| 16:02.41 | JordiGH | Are there statistics of packages by programming languages for Debian? |
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| 16:03.35 | krpt | petn-randall: yes I know, currently at work, so webchat for me only though |
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| 16:05.01 | JordiGH | I guess I could try to compile them myself by checking the debtags, but those are woefully underused. |
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| 16:06.03 | JordiGH | So that probably means that these data don't exist. |
| 16:07.37 | krpt | oh wait .. 'aptitude upgrade' seems to work , dependencies took a while to calculate though, |
| 16:07.39 | petn-randall | JordiGH: I've seen it a year ago somewhere, but I'd have to google it, too. |
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| 16:08.09 | petn-randall | krpt: If it just takes long, that's not a segfault ... |
| 16:08.29 | JordiGH | petn-randall: Well, of course I already tried asking Google, since I remember seeing this too, but I can't find it now. |
| 16:08.57 | krpt | petn-randall: aptitude with its interface clearly segfaulted ( as In it displayed 'Segfault' and gave me back a shell ) |
| 16:09.09 | petn-randall | krpt: On wheezy? |
| 16:09.13 | krpt | jessie |
| 16:09.18 | petn-randall | !jessie |
| 16:09.20 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 16:09.38 | petn-randall | krpt: We have a separate channel for that, welcome to testing :) |
| 16:10.07 | krpt | yes I know petn-randall , just stuck on your channel ( proxy filter irc port at work can't connect to irc.oftc.net :) ) |
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| 16:10.19 | JordiGH | Oh, perhaps this is what I want: www.ohloh.net/p/debian/analyses/latest |
| 16:10.27 | krpt | and thanks for the welcome :) |
| 16:11.38 | krpt | I could connect via my home server though, any >simple< irc client in command line ? |
| 16:12.27 | jhutchins | krpt: try irc.debian.org - just an alias but might work. |
| 16:12.52 | jhutchins | krpt: Yes, irssi. Many of us run that in screen on a central connection we can reach from wherever we are. |
| 16:12.58 | petn-randall | krpt: irssi is a little arcane around the edges, should work nicely though. |
| 16:13.19 | krpt | ok irssi here i come |
| 16:13.30 | jhutchins | !irssi |
| 16:13.35 | dpkg | i heard irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:13.35 | JordiGH | Huh, what exactly is the Ohloh debian repository measuring? I bet it's the svn repo, back when it was all one repo, and the reason commits tapered off after 2010 is because everyone started moving to git. |
| 16:13.35 | petn-randall | offers jhutchins an irssi-in-screen high five. |
| 16:13.46 | jhutchins | krpt: You'll want the FAQ open for setup. |
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| 16:14.04 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Back at ya. |
| 16:14.06 | JordiGH | Oh, no, ohloh does seem to be reading all the git repos: http://www.ohloh.net/p/debian/enlistments |
| 16:14.20 | JordiGH | I guess Ohloh confirms it: Debian is dying. |
| 16:15.26 | TheQuestionmark | Yea... right... |
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| 16:16.06 | jhutchins | 1525 active users in #debian, 250 in #rhel. |
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| 16:16.36 | lapache | Hi, do you know a lightweight wiki/markdown server for personnal/local use ? |
| 16:17.25 | xand | lapache: moinmoin |
| 16:17.40 | krpt | lapache: I use dokuwiki, don't know about mardown compatibility though |
| 16:17.43 | JordiGH | jhutchins: But commits have been tapering off! http://www.ohloh.net/p/debian |
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| 16:20.32 | krpt | got some timeout connecting to irc.oftc.net from my server, ping nicely though, any current issues petn-randall ? |
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| 16:20.51 | jhutchins | JordiGH: If it ain't broke, it doesn't need commits. |
| 16:21.39 | JordiGH | So we've achieved Derbvana? |
| 16:22.21 | krpt | my bad petn-randall , I have not check my iptables ruels |
| 16:22.27 | krpt | rules* |
| 16:22.36 | petn-randall | krpt: Works fine here, guess you need to check 'em. ;) |
| 16:23.19 | krpt | 6667 should be enough i guess |
| 16:23.36 | petn-randall | krpt: You filter outgoing? |
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| 16:24.29 | krpt | yes drop all except :) |
| 16:24.47 | krpt | have trust issues i guess ;) |
| 16:24.47 | AquaL1te | i do that as well, gives you more control and makes sure you won't be hosting a vulnerable service online |
| 16:25.03 | petn-randall | For the truly paranoid ... :). But I admit, for the user running irssi I also filter outgoing. |
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| 16:26.01 | krpt | hurray ! it works :) gotta run though, see ya |
| 16:26.08 | petn-randall | krpt: laters |
| 16:26.28 | krpt | ++ petn-randall |
| 16:26.40 | wols_ | hmmm... now that I compiled 3.14 I guess I should check out nftables |
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| 16:37.24 | UrbanLegend | Hmm |
| 16:37.37 | UrbanLegend | I want get Jessie (testing version) but i'm not entirely sure what to download from the ftp |
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| 16:37.51 | UrbanLegend | The stable release does not have recent enough drivers for my videocard i'm told |
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| 16:49.08 | petn-randall | UrbanLegend: Testing isn't production ready, and still has a lot of bugs. Which video card are you using, and why do you believe it's not supported in wheezy? |
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| 16:49.56 | wols_ | UrbanLegend: you install debian stable (no X needed) and upgrade to jessie. that's the only proper way to do it. |
| 16:51.46 | Artemis3 | wols_, use 7.5 mini.iso and choose testing at install time :) it also saves you time downloading stuff. |
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| 16:52.38 | wols_ | Artemis3: you still have 7.5 installed. you install it but don't get anything via tasksel and then upgrade to testing |
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| 16:53.22 | petn-randall | There's no point in debating how to upgrade to jessie if we haven't even determined if the problem will be fixed there for UrbanLegend ... |
| 16:53.26 | Artemis3 | wols_, mini.iso is faster, it skips downloading 7.5 base |
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| 16:55.15 | Artemis3 | well if you want to install jessie (or sid for that matter) real quick, this is your champ: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 16:55.46 | petn-randall | looks sternly at Artemis3. |
| 16:55.56 | BartDude | I need help, guys. UNetbootin tells me that the USB that I'm trying to use is not mounted to a mountpoint. How do I do that? :) |
| 16:56.06 | petn-randall | !unetbootin |
| 16:56.07 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 16:56.26 | BartDude | petn-randall: Nooooooooooooo... :( |
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| 16:56.35 | Artemis3 | petn-randall, well no one said that solves anyones problem, its just a method for getting the testing and unstable using stable installer ^^ |
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| 16:56.53 | BartDude | I guess my Debian days are over. ;( |
| 16:56.57 | petn-randall | !tell BartDude -about usb install |
| 16:57.16 | petn-randall | BartDude: dpkg should have sent you a way to prepare an usb installer. |
| 16:57.28 | Artemis3 | dd |
| 16:57.32 | petn-randall | Artemis3: "a method", neither is it the recommended way. |
| 16:57.34 | Artemis3 | your easiest choice |
| 16:57.35 | BartDude | petn-randall: Only x86? :/ |
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| 16:57.52 | BartDude | petn-randall: I think anything but UNetbootin is too hard for me. :( |
| 16:58.19 | petn-randall | BartDude: Well, then you answered your own question, I guess ... |
| 16:58.25 | jhutchins | BartDude: You give up too easily. |
| 16:58.30 | BartDude | Now I'm all sad. |
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| 16:58.36 | Artemis3 | its not recommended to use anything but stable, but since they want to then thats the most efficient way, much better than the boring install base stable then dist-upgrade stuff |
| 16:58.38 | mtn | BartDude: using cp is SO easy! :P |
| 16:58.44 | BartDude | jhutchins: I'm pretty sure I'll fcuk up something along the way. |
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| 17:01.39 | petn-randall | Artemis3: We have a recommended way for a reason, and while it may be "boring" for you, we don't want to debug people's boxes because they thought the fancy way to install testing was "more fun". |
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| 17:01.54 | Node_448 | hi |
| 17:02.03 | petn-randall | Artemis3: If you recommend something else again, please make sure you're around to support those pour souls in case they hose their systems. |
| 17:02.04 | Node_448 | installerino my debiano |
| 17:02.15 | Node_448 | does debiano cum with hacker toolerino? |
| 17:02.17 | Artemis3 | mini.iso is a stable installer tho. |
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| 17:07.13 | petn-randall | Node_448: The best way to become a hacker is to learn how to swing with the arms. |
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| 17:11.50 | zakoradeb | I tried to use static IP instead of DHCP but it didn't work after the reboot, is there a way to see logs to investigate why it fails? (I don't have a screen attached to this machine) |
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| 17:15.39 | petn-randall | zakoradeb: How can you access the machine, besides ssh? Could be a typo in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 17:16.15 | zakoradeb | petn-randall: currently booting from an sdcard and mounting the fs |
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| 17:17.38 | zakoradeb | I'll paste interfaces when I get a hand on it |
| 17:18.50 | ABDU1989 | How INSTALL Firefox29 |
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| 17:19.34 | centrx | ABDU1989, apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 17:20.14 | ABDU1989 | Firefox29 no iceweasel |
| 17:20.26 | centrx | !iceweasel |
| 17:20.27 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 17:20.39 | centrx | ABDU1989, Iceweasel is Firefox |
| 17:21.31 | ABDU1989 | Verson 29 |
| 17:21.56 | wols_ | ABDU1989: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 17:24.53 | rocksteady2 | Hi all. I would like to lower my wlan1's txpower to 17 dBm and "iwconfig wlan1 txpower 17" runs without errors. But iwconfig still reports a tx-power of 20 dBm. "iw wlan1 set txpower fixed 1700" does not work neither. dmesg and /var/log/message do not contain related information. Any idea? |
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| 17:25.57 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: Not all drivers and chipsets support user set power levels. |
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| 17:26.53 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: I am using ath9k_htc with an Atheros AR9271. Pretty sure it is supported. |
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| 17:27.39 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: Atheros chipsets are implemented differently by different manufacturers. |
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| 17:28.08 | ABDU1989 | ! firefox |
| 17:28.10 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
| 17:28.22 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: The manufacturer is "Alfa" and it provides a windows-only tool to set the txpower up to 500 mW. |
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| 17:29.03 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: So it should be possible to change that value with linux too. As lowering the power to 17 dBm did not work, I tried to raise it to 21 -> no success |
| 17:29.27 | rocksteady2 | It seems to be fixed at 20 dBm |
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| 17:31.00 | jelly-home | rocksteady2: at least some default linux drivers obey the limits even when hardware is capable of going over 100mW. You'd have to use modified drivers. |
| 17:31.12 | zakoradeb | petn-randall: ok, the file interfaces was not properly saved so that's why it didn't work... thanks for the help, it works now |
| 17:31.27 | rocksteady2 | jelly-home: Actually I would liek to LOWER the txpower under 100 mW |
| 17:31.38 | jelly-home | rocksteady2: not sure why lowering fails, tho |
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| 17:32.02 | rocksteady2 | jelly-home: How to get additional information about this? Any output? |
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| 17:33.32 | jelly-home | rocksteady2: probably better to ask in #wireless or #linux-wireless channel |
| 17:33.43 | rocksteady2 | jelly-home: Okay, thank you. |
| 17:34.21 | jelly-home | I only know about the issue because I've seen hacked drivers for openwrt for my router |
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| 17:35.19 | rocksteady2 | Yeah, there are tons of tutorials hacking into something for more power. But there shouldn't be a problem going for less. |
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| 17:39.13 | OldParr | my sensors are showing core0=38°, /dev/sda=42°, but there is one called temp1=48° wich i do not know what is? |
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| 17:43.21 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: Your best source is if you can find a web page for the project that developed the driver. Many can be found at sourceforge, but there might be little support now that it's in the main kernel. |
| 17:43.33 | akhman | ./ |
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| 17:44.14 | jhutchins | OldParr: Seek documentation from the motherboard manufacturer about what sensors are available, then look through the text documentation for lm_sensors to see how that's implemented. |
| 17:44.15 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: I think it is a very popular and good driver: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k_htc |
| 17:44.33 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: But I am not very fimilar with low-level hardware-related topics. |
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| 17:45.44 | OldParr | jhutchins: there is one that says -20° below cero |
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| 17:47.13 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs |
| 17:47.36 | rocksteady2 | What should me tell that? |
| 17:47.46 | jhutchins | OldParr: Clearly the sensors-detect script matched it with the wrong scale factor. |
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| 17:48.22 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: That was the project that developed the predecessor of the ath9k code. |
| 17:49.18 | rocksteady2 | jhutchins: I searched the web and came across several posts where users successfully raised or lowered the txpower freely. It shouldn't be a problem with the driver. |
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| 17:51.23 | Megaf | Hi all |
| 17:51.38 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: Your best hope is to follow those links and figure out what's different between their system and yours. |
| 17:51.48 | Megaf | I'd like to maintain and update a package for Debian, a really outdated package |
| 17:51.52 | Megaf | how do I do that? |
| 17:52.02 | jhutchins | rocksteady2: YOu may want to try other distributions using live images to see if they implement the driver differently. |
| 17:52.17 | jhutchins | !nmg |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 17:52.56 | ABDU1989 | ! Why does Firefox 29 in Debian |
| 17:53.04 | jhutchins | Megaf: You can /msg dpkg <factoid> for further information from the above links. |
| 17:53.20 | jhutchins | ABDU1989: Aliens don't wear hats. |
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| 18:02.10 | verodeb | hi |
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| 18:02.33 | verodeb | yesterday i run the command 'apt-get remove cron --purge' |
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| 18:02.56 | verodeb | and for my surprise it removed the postgresql-server package |
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| 18:03.21 | verodeb | then today i tested the very same command on another machine |
| 18:03.45 | verodeb | and cron removed normally without deleting any postgresql related package |
| 18:03.47 | verodeb | im confused |
| 18:03.55 | verodeb | how come it happened |
| 18:03.56 | verodeb | ? |
| 18:04.31 | jelly-home | verodeb: it told you it would do that and you had to confirm, tho. Do you have the output of the removal action? |
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| 18:05.04 | verodeb | i guess not |
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| 18:05.16 | verodeb | is there any log file |
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| 18:05.21 | verodeb | for apt-get removes |
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| 18:05.22 | verodeb | ? |
| 18:05.25 | sh622 | crunchbang |
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| 18:17.02 | blackhole | Hi on my debian 7 I am running gnome but getting issues in key press repeat when key is held down. I checked in keyboard settings (in sys setting) & enabled that option, it worked for few mins but it stopped working after few mins. I checked the option and it was still enabled, i again disabled and enabled it and it again worked for few mins & then stopped |
| 18:17.08 | blackhole | any ideas what could be going on? |
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| 18:19.36 | linuxthefish | hi, what is german version of http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 18:19.47 | linuxthefish | i can replace us with de? |
| 18:19.48 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Replace us with de. |
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| 18:20.02 | linuxthefish | thanks :D |
| 18:20.21 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Not that it won't give you a German installation, though. ;) |
| 18:20.29 | linuxthefish | oh :S |
| 18:20.46 | linuxthefish | i'm from UK, but my server is in germany lol |
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| 18:23.03 | blackhole | Anyone? |
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| 18:26.22 | Rackmount | blackhole: your problem description is still vague. What is broken exactly? |
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| 18:27.16 | blackhole | Rackmount: it seems repeat press key when key is held down doesn't works (or stops working after few mins) even when this option is enabled |
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| 18:27.44 | blackhole | Rackmount: I have to uncheck the checkbox and check it again to have it working again & then it again works only for few mins .... |
| 18:28.17 | Rackmount | blackhole: ah, so the key repeat basically stops reoeating then. Do you have another keyboard to test with? I've had some older keyboards (PS2) style fail on me that did that before totally failing. |
| 18:28.24 | Rackmount | Is it wireless or wired keyboard? |
| 18:28.33 | blackhole | Rackmount: It's wired USB keyboard |
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| 18:28.41 | blackhole | Rackmount: I already tried with another USB one I had |
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| 18:29.57 | blackhole | Rackmount: it will work for few mins after I uncheck and check the checkbox in keyboard settings, it seems like something else may be changing the file where the setting for same is stored? Could that be possible? |
| 18:30.12 | Rackmount | blackhole: I'm seeing a number of keystroke issues reported when searching google for "debian gnome key repeat". You may need to file a bug report if you can replicate the issue on multiple keyboards. |
| 18:30.21 | Rackmount | Is this Wheezy you're using? |
| 18:30.48 | Rackmount | Nevermind, you said Debian 7 previously. :P |
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| 18:31.03 | blackhole | yes 7.2 (wheezy) |
| 18:31.12 | blackhole | I am using gnome classic |
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| 18:32.19 | `ryban | good evening |
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| 18:39.30 | deblover | How do I add myself to the list of sudoers? This is a fresh install of Debian. :) |
| 18:40.05 | abrotman | deblover: adduser <UID> sudo |
| 18:40.15 | deblover | abrotman: Let me try. |
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| 18:40.23 | abrotman | There is no try .. |
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| 18:40.51 | deblover | abrotman: "command not found"? |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | deblover: as root ... |
| 18:40.58 | OldParr | can i boot from a wifi to install debian? |
| 18:41.07 | deblover | abrotman: Hold on. |
| 18:41.13 | verve | usermod -a -G sudo you |
| 18:41.26 | abrotman | OldParr: to do a PXE boot, or a netinst install ? |
| 18:41.32 | nath_ | hey there, is there a terminal command updating the time from local router? |
| 18:41.37 | OldParr | ntinst |
| 18:41.39 | abrotman | nath_: use ntp |
| 18:41.43 | abrotman | OldParr: yes, you can .. |
| 18:41.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell OldParr about firmware images |
| 18:42.01 | deblover | abrotman: That worked perfectly. Thank you! |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | verve: still requires root access |
| 18:42.20 | verve | ...yes |
| 18:42.47 | verve | oh, i thought you were him |
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| 18:42.50 | verve | mah bad |
| 18:42.51 | verve | heh |
| 18:43.05 | deblover | abrotman: And do you know how to install/add OpenVPN to the network manager? |
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| 18:43.30 | abrotman | deblover: which WM? |
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| 18:43.49 | deblover | abrotman: Uhm... I think I downloaded the gnome .iso? :P |
| 18:44.13 | abrotman | deblover: I think it's something like network-manager-vnpc or something like that |
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| 18:44.32 | deblover | abrotman: Hmm... |
| 18:44.35 | nath_ | abrotman: is there a man page for ntp? #ntp does nothing |
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| 18:45.00 | abrotman | nath_: run the 'ntpq' command, then type 'peers' |
| 18:45.18 | nath_ | abrotman: cheers <3 |
| 18:45.30 | abrotman | nath_: all good? |
| 18:46.16 | nath_ | abrotman: giving some output, need a minute to understand ;-) |
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| 18:46.45 | abrotman | nath_: it likely set your clock .. exit out, check with 'date' command |
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| 18:47.02 | nath_ | abrotman: ahh |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | nath_: looks good? |
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| 18:47.57 | nath_ | abrotman: well it synced with a different timezone |
| 18:48.17 | nath_ | abrotman: can I make it try look for my router on 192.168.1? |
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| 18:49.09 | abrotman | nath_: that's your /etc/ntp/ntp.conf |
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| 18:50.12 | nath_ | abrotman: ahh, reading again ;-) |
| 18:51.00 | deblover | abrotman: I managed to install OpenVPN by using this guide https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos (and everything went just fine). But where do I find it now? :P |
| 18:51.18 | abrotman | deblover: you asked me how to use it with N-M .. I thought I told you? |
| 18:51.33 | deblover | abrotman: Yes, but I remembered seeing that guide after asking you. Sorry. |
| 18:51.39 | abrotman | judd: info network-manager-openvpn-gnome |
| 18:51.40 | judd | Package network-manager-openvpn-gnome (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: network management framework (OpenVPN plugin GNOME GUI). Version: 0.9.4.0-1; Size: 177.9k; Installed: 1094k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 18:51.44 | nath_ | abrotman: it lists those servers: 'server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst' |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | nath_: any problem with using those? |
| 18:52.09 | deblover | abrotman: Thanks, but that's too late now. Do you know where I can find the new software I just installed? :) |
| 18:52.21 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:52.23 | nath_ | abrotman: yea does not seem to put me on the right timezone |
| 18:52.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nath_ about timezone |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nath_ about set the time |
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| 18:53.12 | deblover | abrotman: Do you know? |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | deblover: use the package i noted above |
| 18:53.46 | GreenCloud | i luv debian 2 |
| 18:53.53 | deblover | abrotman: But why can't you just answer my question? Help me out. :) |
| 18:54.07 | deblover | I will try that if this doesn't work. |
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| 18:54.54 | abrotman | deblover: dpkg -L |
| 18:56.06 | deblover | abrotman: "ii openvpn 2.3.4-debian amd64 virtual private network daemon" |
| 18:56.13 | nath_ | abrotman: is there a way without rebooting? |
| 18:56.15 | deblover | But I can't see it in any menus. |
| 18:56.23 | abrotman | nath_: you don't have to reboot for any of that |
| 18:56.31 | nath_ | abrotman: cheers :-) |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | deblover: that's not what I said |
| 18:56.56 | deblover | abrotman: What did you say? |
| 18:57.46 | deblover | abrotman: Do I need to reboot or what? |
| 18:57.50 | deblover | Please just tell me. I'm new. |
| 18:57.59 | deblover | No matter how dumb it sounds to you. |
| 18:58.26 | nath_ | abrotman: thx man awesome!!! |
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| 19:00.24 | deblover | abrotman: Are you still helping me? |
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| 19:01.29 | deblover | Does ANYONE know where I can find OpenVPN after installing it? |
| 19:01.38 | centrx | deblover, dpkg -l <package name> |
| 19:01.43 | centrx | sorry, dpkg -L capital L |
| 19:01.56 | kyle__ | deblover: the config files are in /etc, with samples in /usr/share/ after you install, iirc. |
| 19:01.58 | deblover | centrx: How do I figure out what the package name is? |
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| 19:02.11 | deblover | kyle__: I'll give it a look soon. :) |
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| 19:02.30 | centrx | deblover, How did you install it? |
| 19:02.43 | deblover | centrx: Using this guide --> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos |
| 19:02.48 | abrotman | deblover: sometimes I have to do real work :) |
| 19:02.56 | deblover | abrotman: I understand. |
| 19:03.02 | centrx | deblover, oh no...you should install the Debian package. |
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| 19:03.07 | lapache | Plz someone could help me to install python-moinmoin on Sid ? |
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| 19:03.17 | deblover | centrx: What did I do then? :O |
| 19:03.38 | centrx | deblover, You installed from swupdate.openvpn.net ? |
| 19:03.58 | deblover | centrx: I guess so. I followed everything step by step. |
| 19:04.16 | deblover | centrx: Did I just mess up or what? |
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| 19:04.22 | nath_ | quite a bit goin' on here still another short one: 'needing terminal command to wake up stopped process' |
| 19:04.33 | centrx | deblover, Just uninstall what you just installed, and remove non-Debian lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:04.55 | deblover | centrx: Gulp! ;( |
| 19:04.56 | centrx | deblover, Then run apt-get update && apt-get install openvpn |
| 19:05.14 | centrx | dpkg, tell deblover about sources.list |
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| 19:05.39 | centrx | deblover, Most all software you will need is already part of Debian and easily installable within Debian |
| 19:05.40 | nath_ | centrx: is it actually possible to also ask dpkg ? |
| 19:06.12 | centrx | nath_, You can message the bot directly to ask it anything |
| 19:06.20 | centrx | dpkg, tell nath_ about msg |
| 19:06.26 | deblover | centrx: I think this is going too fast for me. Would it be unsafe to just keep what that guide told me to do? Why do you want me to uninstall it? |
| 19:07.33 | centrx | deblover, Using third-party repositories generally causes problems with a) compatibility with the rest of your system, b) security updates, c) release upgrades |
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| 19:07.43 | deblover | centrx: Crap! |
| 19:07.52 | nath_ | centrx: nice one |
| 19:07.53 | centrx | deblover, In this case, there's no reason to use a third-party repository, openvpn is already in Debian |
| 19:08.15 | deblover | centrx: I really fcuked this one up... :( |
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| 19:08.27 | centrx | deblover, and since the third-party repository was still a Debian-style repository, you should be able to uninstall it easily |
| 19:08.45 | deblover | centrx: But how do I even use it once it's installed? |
| 19:08.59 | deblover | I thought it was added to my menu or something easy like that. |
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| 19:10.05 | centrx | deblover, I am not so familiar with openvpn. It looks like it is a command-line daemon package |
| 19:10.24 | deblover | centrx: Maybe I should use the network manager thing abrotman told me about? |
| 19:10.29 | ctmjr | deblover: you need a server and client for openvpn you need to configure it yourself there is no gui that comes with it |
| 19:10.33 | centrx | deblover, The Debian package should have a README in /usr/share/doc/openvpn |
| 19:10.35 | deblover | Commands and stuff are too complicated for me. |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | deblover: probably you should .. which is why I mentioned it three times |
| 19:10.52 | deblover | abrotman: I did not know that! :P |
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| 19:11.11 | deblover | Thanks, everyone. I'll wipe this installation and do it all over again. |
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| 19:11.15 | deblover | The right way this time. |
| 19:11.28 | deblover | Debian rules! |
| 19:11.31 | deblover | Bye. |
| 19:11.34 | centrx | !next |
| 19:11.34 | dpkg | rattles the #debian tip jar (http://www.debian.org/donations) |
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| 19:11.39 | deblover | :P |
| 19:11.55 | ctmjr | deblover: here read this https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
| 19:12.13 | deblover | ctmjr: I'll write it down and read it later before I mess something else up again. Thanks. |
| 19:12.16 | deblover | Bye. |
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| 19:21.43 | vaxerdec | how to get apt-cache to show only a particular field (such as description)? i can post-process with something but looking more for a "what is this value of this metadata field" query |
| 19:22.24 | vaxerdec | (similar to rpm --qf=%{foo} to print value of metadata field foo) |
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| 19:24.25 | shingouz | vaxerdec: apt-cache show | grep foo might work |
| 19:24.46 | zykotick9 | Problem - on wheezy, fstrim fails to run on / and /home, both on a SSD drive AND using encrypted lvm setup from d-i. fstrim works as expected on the non-encrypted /boot partition. see http://paste.debian.net/100673/ for details. |
| 19:24.47 | GreenCloud | linux too easy |
| 19:24.54 | vaxerdec | shingouz: yes, as i mentioned, i can of course process the output text, that's not what i want |
| 19:25.02 | shingouz | k |
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| 19:25.33 | Kingsy | for example, I have a PCI TP-LINK gigabit network card plugged in, but I am only getting 100MBit.. what could be the problem? |
| 19:25.40 | sh622 | does anyone know any GUI frontends for tools like grep, sed, awk, etc? |
| 19:25.43 | zykotick9 | sorry, wanted to get feedback BEFORE i started - i haven't done anything yet... |
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| 19:28.11 | petemc | Kingsy: is it plugged into a gigabit port? ethtool can tell you available speeds |
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| 19:29.38 | Kingsy | petemc: do you have the command for ethtool? I cant seem to get anything useful out of it? |
| 19:30.07 | Kingsy | petemc: and yeah its plugged into a gigabit port :D |
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| 19:30.15 | petemc | ethtool ethN |
| 19:30.36 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: if you are getting errno 95, perhaps you don't have discards enabled |
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| 19:31.15 | Kingsy | petemc: http://pastie.org/9190473 <-- link partner only goes to 100mbit |
| 19:31.25 | Kingsy | speed is clearly at 100mbit |
| 19:31.25 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: well, currently i'd believe that ;) i'm just wondering on the best "debian" technique to accomplish that. |
| 19:31.43 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: what, to add discard to the mount options? |
| 19:31.45 | Kingsy | petemc: what you reckon? the cable? the switch is 100% a gigabit |
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| 19:32.26 | petemc | Kingsy: are there other devices plugged into switch getting gigabit? |
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| 19:32.33 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: the same issue as the fedora-poster however, the ext2 /boot partition doesn't have a discard either, but it works. i'm pretty sure it's related to the lvm or luks |
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| 19:32.40 | Kingsy | petemc: yes |
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| 19:33.23 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: i didn't know ext2 supported discards |
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| 19:34.06 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: do you see 'discard' in the /proc/mounts for /boot ? |
| 19:34.35 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: well... tbo, i'm not sure it does, i think ext3 and ext4 do - but the fstrim command certainly works fine, 1st time i ran it - it did report triming stuff. |
| 19:34.55 | petemc | Kingsy: the card thinks it can do gigabit but the port its talking to cant |
| 19:34.56 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: no, that's what i was saying above. /boot doesn't have discard either. |
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| 19:35.24 | Kingsy | petemc: so it could be the wire perhaps? |
| 19:35.36 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: are they the same underlying device? some devices don't support discards themselves |
| 19:35.55 | petemc | Kingsy: that wouldnt be my first thought, is it cat5e? |
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| 19:36.01 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: it's all one drive, setup the default debian-install way for encrypted lvm. |
| 19:36.42 | Kingsy | petemc: I am not sure, I didnt wire the cable.. I assume so. I mea, if the switch is giving out 1 gigabit to other devices.. and according to ethtool the card is a gigabit.. what else could it be? |
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| 19:37.26 | petemc | Kingsy: can you unplug a cable from one of the other devices and try that? |
| 19:37.41 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: i don't know, but all my filesystems with discards show 'discard' in /proc/mounts |
| 19:38.41 | lexvegas | Is there a way to set PuTTY colors server side for ssh? I have a the solarized theme in use that I wouls like to be present no matter where I am |
| 19:38.46 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: it's possible ext2 unconditionally returns success to FITRIM ioctl() but that would be surprising |
| 19:39.26 | Kingsy | hmm not right now tbh |
| 19:39.40 | Kingsy | I guess I can rule out the possibility of it being the driver? |
| 19:40.16 | petemc | i would try simple things before messing about changing drivers |
| 19:40.32 | Kingsy | alright np |
| 19:40.37 | Kingsy | I will try the cable tomorrow |
| 19:40.40 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: i'm not sure that encypted dm actually passes that one down to the block-level, but i see that you did tell lvm.conf to do that |
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| 19:41.21 | Kingsy | petemc: curious, I am using a very old motherboard.. a p5k-se should I need to install drivers for it directly fromk asus? |
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| 19:41.56 | petemc | Kingsy: probably not, ethtool thinks card is ok |
| 19:42.09 | Kingsy | petemc: I was getting strange issues such as random freezing.. low level hex dump fromt he kernel when I was transferring files.. things like that |
| 19:42.26 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: well, i will try it (as no one jumped in and said not to...). i'll post the result ;) |
| 19:42.26 | Kingsy | so either, I have faulty hardware.. or I need to install drivers for the SATA controller etc |
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| 19:43.50 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: it would be useful to use a test filesystem that isn't the root so you don't have to reboot ;-) |
| 19:44.29 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: actually, you should be able to do these things at run-time anyways, lvm can reconfigure and so can the filesystem |
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| 19:44.53 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: ie without rebooting. but of course you'd want to verify after doing that that everything works cold |
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| 19:46.54 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: if those are "update-initramfs -u" related setting, i think reboot is just the "easiest" way ;) see you soon (hopefully). |
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| 19:48.16 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: lvm.conf did not originally have discards = 1? that is surprising |
| 19:48.26 | Kingsy | petemc: thoughts? |
| 19:48.42 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: or well issue_discards |
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| 20:04.21 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: well it can give known plaintext to an attacker, i suppose, but only if they can see which blocks are discarded, i'm not sure how they would do that without having access to your system anyways |
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| 20:05.21 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: i'm assuming they have physical access, lost or stolen... (only reason to running encrypted fs, IMO). |
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| 20:06.39 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: hm, so i guess they can query the device to see recently discarded blocks? hmm |
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| 20:07.11 | zykotick9 | vaxerdec: what i read, suggesting they could know what blank space looked like <- or something... ;) |
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| 20:07.42 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: well they can figure out where filesystem data structures are stored presumably, which have known values |
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| 20:07.53 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: so they would know the plaintext and the ciphertext |
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| 20:08.51 | vaxerdec | zykotick9: i didn't think most of the more recent algorithms were subject to known-plaintext attacks |
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| 20:16.22 | brontosaurusrex | does anyone remember what was recommended audio-cd burning speed, if any? |
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| 20:17.32 | teraflops | the lower the safest brontosaurusrex |
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| 20:18.04 | brontosaurusrex | well, i went for 4x for some reason, but this will take 4ever |
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| 20:18.35 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:18.58 | brontosaurusrex | indeed |
| 20:19.05 | teraflops | forever takes a dvd9 at x4 |
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| 20:19.37 | brontosaurusrex | that would probably be different 4x |
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| 20:22.54 | jhutchins | 1x being approximately real time. I don't believe there is any particular advantage to using less than the best speed available these days. Even with cheap, uncertain media and questionable drives most software does a sanity check to see what should work best, and most is conservative. Plus, verfy-after-burn is often avaiable. |
| 20:23.02 | JulesAa | hi! ive been searching but cant find anything that helps me. how do i install the adobe flash player in iceweasel? debian wheezy 7.5... |
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| 20:23.46 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: I would only consider throttling due to known failures. Discs are cheap. |
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| 20:24.24 | brontosaurusrex | yeah, ill just go turbo |
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| 20:26.55 | jhutchins | brontosaurusrex: TOok me a while to find the reference, but this is pretty much everything short of reading the specification books: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
| 20:27.12 | jhutchins | !flash |
| 20:27.14 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 20:27.38 | JulesAa | !adobe flash |
| 20:27.38 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is proprietary (non-free) software. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree package, ask me about <contrib>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin. |
| 20:27.39 | jhutchins | !tell JulesAa about adobe flash |
| 20:27.43 | jhutchins | Heh. |
| 20:27.45 | JulesAa | :D |
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| 20:28.30 | JulesAa | jhutchins: "bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found" :s |
| 20:28.56 | JulesAa | !contrib |
| 20:28.58 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 20:29.02 | CeBe | wow, you have 163 pages documentation and that also in my language! nice, debian :) |
| 20:29.10 | CeBe | *installation documentation |
| 20:29.19 | JulesAa | jhutchins: how would i do this again? :p |
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| 20:30.01 | jhutchins | JulesAa: Do which? |
| 20:30.14 | JulesAa | jhutchins: install the non-free adobe flash player plugin |
| 20:30.19 | JulesAa | what is the exact command? :p |
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| 20:30.49 | jhutchins | JulesAa: Make sure you have contrib enabled for your main repository. aptitude update && aptitude install flash-plugin-nonfree. |
| 20:31.03 | JulesAa | jhutchins: and how would i do that? |
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| 20:31.44 | JulesAa | add this "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to sources.list? |
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| 20:33.07 | A|an | Is anyone here using a successfully installed and functional Canoscan 9000F scanner? |
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| 20:33.47 | JulesAa | jhutchins: i dont have the permissions to edit it :s |
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| 20:34.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jhutchins about bottell |
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| 20:34.26 | JulesAa | i tried to add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib" but it wouldnt let me |
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| 20:35.13 | ctmjr | you need to be root |
| 20:35.29 | JulesAa | ctmjr: i thought it would let me enter the password |
| 20:35.35 | JulesAa | ctmjr: how do i root to there? :s |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | use sudo or su |
| 20:35.43 | teraflops | ^^ |
| 20:35.53 | JulesAa | abrotman: where? |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | in a terminal |
| 20:36.23 | JulesAa | i dont know what the command would be |
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| 20:37.12 | abrotman | I already told you |
| 20:37.21 | JulesAa | i cant see it |
| 20:37.40 | JulesAa | :s |
| 20:37.55 | zleslie | Hi. How does one get past the gnutls_handshake() failed error when using a self-signed cert for an apt source? |
| 20:38.03 | JulesAa | this place isnt very noob friendly :/ |
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| 20:38.49 | zleslie | I've got a private repo behind https using a self-signed cert. How do I add my private ca cert to the chain? |
| 20:39.05 | JulesAa | only mean and elitist people in here pff |
| 20:39.21 | abrotman | zleslie: /etc/certs/ ? |
| 20:39.31 | abrotman | /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 20:39.33 | zleslie | just drop the pem in there anywhere? I tried that |
| 20:40.00 | abrotman | I don't know if apt interacts with those certs |
| 20:40.10 | zleslie | How would I find out? |
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| 20:40.56 | CeBe | zleslie: afaik there is a tool called apt-key that deals with certs for apt |
| 20:41.07 | zleslie | Yeah, but not the transport |
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| 20:41.27 | zleslie | That just for the gpg signing of the packages |
| 20:41.34 | CeBe | ah okay |
| 20:41.36 | teraflops | zleslie: look at this may be helpful http://bit.ly/1j3tDXa |
| 20:41.53 | zleslie | teraflops: bingo! Thanks |
| 20:42.45 | abrotman | yay google |
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| 20:43.57 | lucido | I'd like to serve a scanner, is it possible? |
| 20:44.14 | lucido | I mean like a printer, its connected to my server |
| 20:44.46 | teraflops | anyway i cant undestant why i found on abour 30 secs on google and people still asks before a trivial search |
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| 20:48.07 | CeBe | teraflops: sometimes you need to find the right words to make google get what you need. |
| 20:48.21 | zleslie | True |
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| 20:49.08 | teraflops | CeBe: my english is awful and i found in less than 30 secs |
| 20:49.37 | CeBe | its not about english, it is about guessing keywords |
| 20:49.39 | zleslie | Also, that doesn't work for me. |
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| 20:51.51 | teraflops | ok then my apologies for the comentary |
| 20:52.12 | zleslie | Acquire::https { Verify-Peer "false"; Verify-Host "false"; } in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00test still yields gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS warning alert has been received. |
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| 20:52.50 | jhutchins | lucido: The Debian page for this seems to have gone missing, but this should all apply: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo |
| 20:53.35 | jhutchins | lucido: Lots of additional advice avaialable via google. |
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| 20:57.06 | Someguy123 | anyone know why I can't ssh into my server via www-data? |
| 20:57.15 | Someguy123 | I've set a password using passwd, but it refuses to let me log into it |
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| 20:58.10 | centrx | Someguy123, www-data is supposed to be used as a login account |
| 20:58.14 | centrx | *not |
| 20:58.22 | PryMar56 | Someguy123, sudo getent passwd www-data |
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| 20:58.41 | PryMar56 | there is no shell as centrx says |
| 20:58.58 | Someguy123 | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:zsh |
| 20:59.10 | Someguy123 | actually it's set to zsh, and works if I su to it |
| 20:59.13 | PryMar56 | its a system user |
| 21:00.07 | Someguy123 | so how can I change that PryMar56 ? |
| 21:00.11 | Brigo | Someguy123, zsh or /bin/zsh? |
| 21:00.20 | verve | i have a question: what should the ownership & permissions be for an nginx directory? |
| 21:00.27 | verve | like /srv/www/mywebsite/* |
| 21:00.30 | Someguy123 | it works when I use su Brigo |
| 21:00.35 | Someguy123 | so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 21:00.57 | abrotman | Someguy123: "zsh" is not in /etc/shells, and probably not a valid "path" |
| 21:01.04 | Brigo | Somefellow, because your environmet has the correct PATH, but may be with ssh not. |
| 21:01.05 | Someguy123 | root@bk:~# su - www-data |
| 21:01.05 | Someguy123 | Cannot execute zsh: No such file or directory |
| 21:01.07 | Someguy123 | oh |
| 21:01.09 | gregor2 | i have a problem installing debian on usb flash drive |
| 21:01.09 | Someguy123 | =_= |
| 21:01.22 | gregor2 | if the installation is finished i cant boot from it |
| 21:01.43 | Someguy123 | okay that fixed it |
| 21:01.53 | Someguy123 | thanks abrotman brigo |
| 21:02.05 | Brigo | Somefellow, np |
| 21:02.17 | Brigo | dpkg, tell gregor2 about usb install |
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| 21:02.49 | gregor2 | but my system can boot from usb |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | gregor2: does the system try to boot from USB? or skip to the HDD? |
| 21:03.03 | linuxthefish | hi, what is standard system utilities in the install menu? |
| 21:03.05 | gregor2 | yes, i select it in the bios |
| 21:04.17 | gregor2 | and if i install grub boot loader, i can boot into grub but there are only the operating systems listed, which are already installed on my internal hard drive |
| 21:04.21 | Brigo | gregor2, in my experiencie sometimes is not enought. I have to push a key when booting -usually F8- and select usb there too. |
| 21:04.44 | gregor2 | and if i dont install grub and boot from the usb i see a blinking cursour! |
| 21:04.48 | Brigo | i said nothing then :) |
| 21:05.04 | gregor2 | :) |
| 21:05.08 | gregor2 | but why |
| 21:05.16 | Brigo | gregor2, did you read the dpkg bot message? |
| 21:05.52 | gregor2 | i clicked 64 bit install |
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| 21:06.05 | gregor2 | i guess that is the fault? |
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| 21:07.42 | gregor2 | dpkg says You can install Debian FROM a USB stick |
| 21:07.43 | dpkg | gregor2: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:07.56 | gregor2 | but i want to install it ON a usb stick |
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| 21:11.24 | lucido | gregor2, just use debootstrap |
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| 21:14.25 | lucido | small confusion in my head. What are the files in /etc/default for? |
| 21:15.13 | ompaul | lucido: default settings |
| 21:17.38 | lucido | ompaul, what does that mean? the default settings used to be in the config files that came with a package in /etc |
| 21:17.46 | lucido | at install |
| 21:18.14 | ompaul | lucido: go in look and see the default out of the box settings then your deltas can live elsewhere |
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| 21:19.34 | lucido | ompaul, I see so /etc/default contains my default settings that will survive config file upgrades? |
| 21:19.58 | ompaul | no |
| 21:20.02 | ompaul | not what I said |
| 21:20.13 | ompaul | and your settings may be challenged on all upgrades check against |
| 21:20.47 | ompaul | the install files sometimes it says things like "want to use your own or the maintainers etc" as always your mileage may vary |
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| 21:21.23 | linuxthefish | -bash: rpm: command not found |
| 21:21.28 | linuxthefish | why is this on blank install!? |
| 21:21.29 | lucido | ompaul, I konow it's jsut I dont understand "I see so /etc/default contains my default settings that will survive config file upgrades" |
| 21:21.49 | lucido | sorry I mean " go in look and see the default out of the box settings then your deltas can live elsewhere" |
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| 21:22.41 | ompaul | lucido: the delta (change) is your config, it may live where ever the package thinks is a good place or you could if you were hacky enough able to set it elsewhere |
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| 21:23.06 | ompaul | lucido: so again, in that directory, there are files, they are there as the default configs for things installed |
| 21:23.22 | ompaul | go read them become at one with your system |
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| 21:23.35 | lucido | ompaul, why not in /etc? |
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| 21:23.59 | ompaul | lucido: a decision, read the history of change logs to find out |
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| 21:25.21 | lucido | ompaul, that's not what I mean. there is for example /etc/default/apache2 and /etc/apache2/apache2.conf what's the difference? |
| 21:25.34 | ompaul | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 21:25.47 | ompaul | lucido: go read that search for /etc/rules on that page |
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| 21:29.33 | lucido | ompaul, no hits for /etc/rules. the only thing about /etc/default there is related to init scripts |
| 21:29.56 | ompaul | lucido: well there you go |
| 21:30.02 | ompaul | is not always right |
| 21:30.34 | ompaul | MrFrood: ^^ mark this day in the diary for I said that |
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| 21:30.54 | lucido | ompaul, hehe, what's this /etc/rules? |
| 21:31.17 | linuxthefish | dpkg: warning: found unknown packages; this might mean the available database |
| 21:31.19 | linuxthefish | is outdated, and needs to be updated through a frontend method |
| 21:31.19 | dpkg | linuxthefish: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:31.22 | linuxthefish | what |
| 21:31.36 | ompaul | it never existed it is in the twilight zone |
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| 21:32.20 | Gabi- | hi i got the following problem , i dont know if its from my server or not |
| 21:32.27 | Gabi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.07 | lucido | Gabi-, check the ip? |
| 21:33.18 | lucido | what's the problem |
| 21:33.41 | Gabi- | the stuff from datacenter says that i ddos from the box or sort of but i think its vice versa |
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| 21:34.12 | lucido | Gabi-, so you'r being ddosed? |
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| 21:36.19 | Gabi- | no , i just try to understand |
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| 21:38.18 | lucido | how can I find which packages were installed with the last apt operation? I installed a lot of garbage by accident with my last apt-get install and I don't know whatg to remove |
| 21:38.28 | republican_devil | skype mic problem wow kicking my buut |
| 21:38.59 | ompaul | lucido: maybe it would be good to look in /var/logs/apt |
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| 21:40.50 | buu | lucido: If you remove the most recent installed package it should tell you which packages are no longer required |
| 21:40.57 | buu | (orphans or something) |
| 21:41.11 | buu | *doesn't work for metapackages |
| 21:42.20 | lucido | buu, yeah I found the packages in apt log but I need to use sed or something to bring the long list into an apt-get format |
| 21:43.17 | jhutchins | lucido: There are several logs in /var/log and /var/log/apt that are relevant. |
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| 21:44.57 | lucido | jhutchins, history.log is the onew |
| 21:45.11 | buu | apt-get remove $(perl -nle'print $1 if /Install: ([\w-]+)/') #don't run this |
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| 21:49.18 | jhutchins | lucido: You can also review the bash history command to see what you requested (assuming you do system management fromt he console). |
| 21:49.21 | crhylove | Noticed the downloads for netinst aren't working.... |
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| 21:49.32 | jhutchins | crhylove: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:49.59 | lucido | jhutchins, meta package it was and bunch of deps, it's ok I need to learn sed eaither way |
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| 21:50.07 | crhylove | Went to the website. Clicked on the link. Got approx 5k after 20 min before I cancelled the D/L and looked for a torrent. jhutchins |
| 21:50.19 | jhutchins | lucido: awk might be more appropriate. |
| 21:50.40 | crhylove | PS Long time debian lover/user... first time in IRC (I think) |
| 21:50.43 | buu | lucido: Or just learn perl and get both |
| 21:50.47 | jhutchins | crhylove: WHAT are you trying to download? Specifically? |
| 21:50.47 | buu | See previous command |
| 21:50.54 | crhylove | amd64 netinst |
| 21:50.55 | Juzzy | semi-offtopic, but anyone ever messed with multi-volume tar? i made a tar backup directly to tape and now none of the tapes know the original names, all the data is there but it's all like .2/20/15634523.bin |
| 21:50.57 | crhylove | stable |
| 21:51.09 | jhutchins | crhylove: ...from... |
| 21:51.28 | crhylove | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 21:51.41 | crhylove | Also, it would be good if there was a link to THAT torrent somewhere on the site. |
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| 21:52.24 | crhylove | Huh, it's going faster now. |
| 21:52.31 | crhylove | About 2 hours ago I could not get it to go for anything. |
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| 21:52.57 | jhutchins | crhylove: Can we assume that you're going for the stable installer? |
| 21:53.06 | crhylove | Yes. |
| 21:53.17 | crhylove | Though I'm doing some testing on testing too... that link worked better. |
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| 21:53.42 | jhutchins | crhylove: Possibly fewer people, as the testing installer is only for testing the installer. |
| 21:53.44 | crhylove | I'm getting 350+/K now... so... |
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| 21:54.13 | crhylove | My earlier point about having a link to the torrent is still valid. :) |
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| 21:54.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps those ssl updates i dont need to redo my certs again do i? |
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| 21:55.33 | jhutchins | crhylove: There are several ways to get to those links, the problem is trying to keep all of them current. It could probably stand to be cleaned up a bit, but I'm not volunteering for the job. |
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| 21:55.59 | dvs | Eryn_1983_FL: If someone use the exploit then someone could have seen your private keys. |
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| 21:56.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ahhhh |
| 21:56.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | come on |
| 21:56.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | seriously |
| 21:56.48 | dvs | yup |
| 21:56.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | fine i will redo it tmorrow |
| 21:57.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | gosh dang it, i want to give those ssl peeps a bit of mind.. |
| 21:57.16 | dvs | yup |
| 21:57.32 | abdelmitri | hi |
| 21:57.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think linus should take it over... |
| 21:57.34 | dvs | at least have some automatic test, opensll |
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| 22:02.02 | buu | Hrm. So I've got a standard ext4 ssd, one partition. I'm using scp to transfer a file to it at a couple MB/s, which is nice, but then the instant I use a mv command to move a different file off the same ssd, over samba, my scp drops to 50KB/s. This makes me extremely sad. |
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| 22:02.40 | buu | Is there any non hardware solution that would help with that? |
| 22:02.47 | buu | And why on earth would it happen in the first place? |
| 22:03.12 | buu | iostat shows my iowait percentage maxing at like 6% |
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| 22:12.18 | Reelax | i have Wheezy ISO image in my HDD. i'd like to start a new installation while im running an old debian, how can i do it ? i mounted the ISO. |
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| 22:13.13 | dvs | Reelax: It's easiest to write the ISO to a USB flash drive. |
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| 22:14.17 | Reelax | dvs: the reason i wanna install from ISO is to speed up. cant i do it from partition 2 ? |
| 22:14.31 | Panterh3art | how do i fix this ? |
| 22:14.33 | Panterh3art | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.36 | lucido | how do I remove parts of a line of texts that match a regexp like remove :*), from libpulse0:amd64 (2.0-6.1, automatic), libva1:amd64 (1.0.15-4, automatic), |
| 22:14.41 | dvs | Reelax: I've never tried bootstrapping |
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| 22:16.02 | Panterh3art | Reelax |
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| 22:16.10 | Panterh3art | installing from an usb thumb drive is even faster |
| 22:16.11 | Panterh3art | then that |
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| 22:17.43 | nath_ | hey guys is it possible formatting a USB flashdrive any other format then FAT32 |
| 22:17.53 | dvs | sure! |
| 22:18.04 | Panterh3art | yes it is |
| 22:18.06 | nath_ | dvs: so I could even format ext4 |
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| 22:18.12 | Panterh3art | u can format it to ntfs |
| 22:18.14 | Panterh3art | or what so ever |
| 22:18.20 | jhutchins | nath_: For most drives it works. |
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| 22:18.31 | nath_ | ok right |
| 22:18.38 | nath_ | did not know |
| 22:18.52 | kyle__ | nath_: you can format it whatever you want to. xfs, jfs, extfat, ext2, btrfs... |
| 22:19.30 | jhutchins | Panterh3art: Your question was not clear. |
| 22:19.31 | kyle__ | nath_: It's just that everything reads and writes FAT16/32, so that's the only way it will be easily movable between systems. |
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| 22:19.34 | jhutchins | Panterh3art: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 22:19.38 | Panterh3art | wel |
| 22:19.41 | Panterh3art | i am running plesk |
| 22:19.53 | Panterh3art | it's kind of fixed it runs |
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| 22:20.26 | nath_ | gparted reccomends ext2, wasn't it better using ext4 if possible? (I mean knowing it will not be portable to windows...) |
| 22:20.29 | Panterh3art | but because my libaio1 |
| 22:20.31 | Panterh3art | is at the max |
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| 22:20.51 | Panterh3art | it actualy won't start plesk unless i add an exception in my.cnf |
| 22:20.54 | jhutchins | Panterh3art: Web "control panels" are a good way to mess up a system. It's far better to learn to do the tasks from the console over ssh so that you can see what's actually happening and fix it if something breaks. |
| 22:20.57 | Panterh3art | mysql config |
| 22:21.03 | Panterh3art | i am in ssh |
| 22:21.47 | Panterh3art | jhutchins that's kinda what happend the system was running fine and then i tried to login to plesk and i woudn't let me so i sshed into the system to find what the problem was |
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| 22:21.54 | Panterh3art | and the problem is mysql |
| 22:21.58 | jhutchins | !plesk |
| 22:22.01 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:22.04 | Panterh3art | i am already in plesk |
| 22:22.07 | Panterh3art | there |
| 22:22.08 | Panterh3art | plesk runs |
| 22:22.16 | Panterh3art | but it's an kind of kernel issue |
| 22:22.30 | Panterh3art | what i have found out together with someone in mysql |
| 22:22.32 | kyle__ | nath_: gparted reccomends that probably for compatability reasons. Ext4 will be fine on it, although some people worry about premature write-death from writing the jouranl repeatedly. |
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| 22:23.14 | nath_ | kyle__: ok much thx! |
| 22:23.25 | kyle__ | nath_: Also, usb-flash drives don't expose anything like trim, so discard=true doesn't help. |
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| 22:23.51 | snoopybbt | is away: busy |
| 22:24.04 | Panterh3art | jhutchins |
| 22:24.06 | snoopybbt | is away: sleeping |
| 22:24.14 | Panterh3art | i have to add this innodb_use_native_aio=0 in my.cnf |
| 22:24.19 | Panterh3art | to start mysql |
| 22:24.34 | nath_ | kyle__: this drive got some kinda hit at some time (physical I mean) could you reccommend any app to read/write test the sectors of the drive? |
| 22:24.38 | Panterh3art | and this seems to be the problem |
| 22:24.41 | Panterh3art | root@chatplek:~# cat /proc/sys/fs/aio-nr /proc/sys/fs/aio-max-nr |
| 22:24.41 | Panterh3art | 63221 |
| 22:24.41 | Panterh3art | 65536 |
| 22:25.02 | Reelax | Panterh3art: as i already have the 3.x GB of ISO ready in my HDD, usb drive cannt be faster than it. |
| 22:25.12 | Panterh3art | Reelax |
| 22:25.16 | kyle__ | nath_: None come to mind. More or less, you ahve to TRY to kill them. |
| 22:25.32 | Panterh3art | when i install win7 from a cd it takes 1 hour to finish the install with an usb thumb drive 15mins |
| 22:25.37 | kyle__ | Panterh3art: you don't know that irc isn't limited to forty chars at a time? |
| 22:25.40 | Panterh3art | never tried from an hdd |
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| 22:26.07 | Panterh3art | no really ? |
| 22:26.07 | nath_ | kyle__: I remember in windows times there was an option to highlight those for not to use by the system.... |
| 22:26.52 | kyle__ | Panterh3art: It's just that you're nearly flooding the channel with many short lines in a row. |
| 22:26.54 | nath_ | some kinda checkdisk |
| 22:27.36 | nath_ | ahhh e2fsck |
| 22:27.45 | nath_ | :-) gparted does that... |
| 22:27.52 | Panterh3art | kyle__ that's some kind of tick that i have :p |
| 22:27.58 | Panterh3art | i hit enter way to much |
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| 22:40.03 | buu | !qos |
| 22:40.05 | dpkg | Quality of Service (QoS) is a method of prioritizing IP traffic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service . Ask me about <wondershaper>. |
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| 22:40.44 | buu | !wondershaper |
| 22:40.46 | dpkg | The Wonder Shaper is a script using the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, e.g. ensuring downloads continue at full speed while uploads occur at their maximum rate, keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ See also <lartc>. |
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| 22:41.19 | nulld1g1t | Hello fellow geeks |
| 22:41.55 | zykotick9 | !tell buu about msgthebot |
| 22:42.03 | nulld1g1t | Are you guys interested in having atom, the github idea up and running on Debian Wheezy ? |
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| 22:42.51 | nulld1g1t | I mean IDE |
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| 22:42.56 | nulld1g1t | lol |
| 22:45.37 | critter | Hi |
| 22:46.03 | critter | debian installer, when promted to install full disk encryption, uses LUKS or dm-crypt? |
| 22:46.33 | zykotick9 | critter: aren't those related? |
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| 22:47.02 | critter | zykotick9, yes but are differente aproaches |
| 22:47.41 | petn-randall | critter: LUKS. |
| 22:47.47 | zykotick9 | critter: well, i can tell you it ends up with LUKS |
| 22:48.02 | grache28 | Since Ubuntu is based off of Sid, how unstable is Sid really? |
| 22:48.07 | critter | LUKS? really sure? ok...... |
| 22:48.23 | sh622 | i thought ubuntu was based on testing |
| 22:48.25 | petn-randall | grache28: pretty unstable, as the name says. |
| 22:49.18 | zykotick9 | grache28: be sure you understand the difference between debian's version of "stable" and the common computer meaning of that word (they're not the same, though related IMO) |
| 22:49.39 | grache28 | I'm trying to decide between Sid and testing for desktop - I typically use fedora.. |
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| 22:50.15 | zykotick9 | grache28: while MOST will probably disagree with me, i consider both testing and sid a "downgrade" from stable... but... YMMV |
| 22:50.29 | petn-randall | grache28: Go with stable, and if you're comfortable with Debian, you can upgrade to testing. Things still occasionally break there, which is why you need a little experience to fix those papercuts. |
| 22:50.36 | grache28 | zykotick9: yea from what I see testing is probably better - they get sid packages pretty quickly. I know stable means the frozen version of testing w/ only bugfixes |
| 22:50.53 | linuxuz3r | anyone have macbook pro and installed debian on it |
| 22:51.03 | Reelax | is there file recovery program available for linux ??? |
| 22:51.14 | petn-randall | grache28: sid is literally with zero testing. If the package compiles, it's in there. |
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| 22:51.28 | petn-randall | Reelax: Yes, many. What type of data loss do you have? |
| 22:51.39 | grache28 | petn-randall: i ran stable on a laptop before and it was a PITA - because modern-ish stuff was missing, and I needed to grab stuff from testing |
| 22:51.41 | zykotick9 | grache28: be aware, security ends up in testing typically last... just sayin' |
| 22:52.04 | crhylove | stable isn't really for laptops. It's for all my servers. :) |
| 22:52.22 | Mousey | uh |
| 22:52.24 | zykotick9 | crhylove: i'd strong disagree... but YMMV |
| 22:52.31 | Mousey | zykotick9++ |
| 22:52.50 | crhylove | Well, almost every laptop that comes out has some borked wifi chip that is difficult to get working... |
| 22:52.59 | Mousey | prefers testing and sid an upgrade |
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| 22:53.06 | sh622 | i run stable on all my laptops |
| 22:53.13 | sh622 | no reason to run an unstable system if you don't have to |
| 22:53.16 | crhylove | I use debian for desktops and servers all day, but for laptops... unless you have system 76.... or something. |
| 22:53.19 | Mousey | i run stable testing and unstable on all my things |
| 22:53.46 | grache28 | Mousey: chroot? |
| 22:53.48 | Reelax | petn-randall: for a single directory containing text files deleted from Home. |
| 22:53.50 | zykotick9 | sh622: "no reason to run an unstable system if you don't have to" < and to few that run it, require it (aka are actual DDs/DMs) |
| 22:54.10 | grache28 | heh - i started a mini flame war |
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| 22:54.22 | Reelax | petn-randall: the most important files in my HDD !!!! cant beleive i deleted it. i feel like someone is doing it. |
| 22:54.29 | buu | Before I run down the rabbithole that is google+arcane linux settings, does anyone happen to know/have a good guide as to how I could enable some kind of QOS to give my 'internet' connections higher priority than my 'lan' connections? Specifically for file transfers via scp and so on |
| 22:54.40 | petn-randall | Reelax: And you have backups? |
| 22:55.38 | Reelax | thank God i have some , but not for the latest changes. they are Qt programming source codes. |
| 22:56.53 | Reelax | petn-randall: which one do you suggest ? |
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| 22:57.30 | lucido | how can I remove parts of a string that match a regular expression? |
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| 22:58.14 | petn-randall | Reelax: If it's worth the trouble, yank out the power (shutting down might overwrite them), boot a live image and run magicrescue. You'll have to save that data onto another storage, so have that handy. You'll end up with a lot of recovered data, you then have to find a way how to pinpoint the data you need. |
| 22:58.19 | rubin110 | Is there some nice tool to manage a Debian box basically doing rsync backups of other debian boxes? |
| 22:58.49 | lucido | with awk |
| 22:58.51 | rubin110 | Other than just writing rsync scripts and dumping them into cron. |
| 22:58.55 | petn-randall | lucido: 'sed' would be an option, but it depends from where. STDIN? A filename? File contents? |
| 22:59.11 | lucido | rubin110, there is, deb proxy I think |
| 22:59.19 | rubin110 | deb proxy? |
| 22:59.24 | petn-randall | rubin110: rdiff-backup is probably something you're looking for. |
| 22:59.38 | rubin110 | petn-randall: I don't care much for versioned backups. |
| 22:59.42 | rubin110 | Or I guess I could. |
| 22:59.50 | ted20 | Why freenet isn't available in repository? |
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| 23:00.02 | lucido | petn-randall, I tried sed but didnt work, the part I have to remove is :*\), |
| 23:00.04 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: /me is off to read about magicrescue - i've only tried testdisk/photorec for recovery, with mixed results. TBO, at this point if something is deleted, and i don't have a backup, i consider it gone. |
| 23:00.24 | rubin110 | All I want ais an rsnyc of particular things off of a few different remote boxes twice a week. |
| 23:00.29 | petn-randall | rubin110: You don't? What's the point then? If you delete something, and then backup, you'll end up having nothing to recover from. |
| 23:00.43 | petn-randall | !tell lucido -about doesnt work |
| 23:00.58 | rubin110 | Hurm. |
| 23:01.24 | lucido | rubin110, sorry I misunderstood |
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| 23:01.42 | petn-randall | rubin110: You're considering versioned backups, right? :-) |
| 23:01.54 | lucido | I used to use xfstools for incremental backups |
| 23:02.01 | crhylove | is looking for a good backup solution too. |
| 23:02.07 | crhylove | listens attentively. |
| 23:02.14 | buu | lucido: Didn't I already solve your problem? |
| 23:02.26 | lucido | buu, you did? |
| 23:02.36 | jaakkos_ | i warmly recommend zfsonlinux :P |
| 23:02.39 | petn-randall | rdiff-backup is probably the most convenient tool for something not running 24/7. For servers, I'd go with bacula, which has more features but also is more work to set up. |
| 23:02.44 | rubin110 | My bare minimum of what I want as far as backups go is an rsync twice a week. |
| 23:02.46 | phogg | lucido: as long as you know how to escape properly that's no problem with sed |
| 23:02.48 | buu | lucido: apt-get remove $(perl -nle'print $1 if /Install: ([\w-]+)/') |
| 23:02.57 | rubin110 | If the new backup overwirtes that old one, I'm mostly ok with that. |
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| 23:03.08 | rubin110 | For my laptop I've got some duplicty wrapper. |
| 23:03.15 | Reelax | petn-randall: WOW |
| 23:03.44 | Reelax | i have not deleted them, the last directory related to Qt files since i asked you for recovery is also gone ! |
| 23:03.58 | Reelax | looks like im getting hacked first time while im using Debian ! |
| 23:04.06 | petn-randall | Reelax: What? |
| 23:04.19 | lucido | buu, see my solution if you want to laugh/cry: http://paste.debian.net/100712/ |
| 23:04.32 | buu | Dat some C |
| 23:04.48 | lucido | lol |
| 23:04.57 | phogg | lucido: what is the goal here? |
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| 23:05.30 | buu | Last I checked we were parsing apt history logs |
| 23:05.31 | phogg | not that you can't do it your way, but... |
| 23:05.33 | lucido | phogg, jsut to remove some parts of a line |
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| 23:05.39 | Reelax | petn-randall: i had last directory in my home , it's also gone now. |
| 23:05.41 | phogg | lucido: sample line? what part? |
| 23:06.11 | lucido | phogg, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 23:06.25 | buu | invalid url |
| 23:06.27 | lucido | can you give me a sed solution? |
| 23:06.27 | phogg | lucido: going to have to be more specific (-; |
| 23:06.35 | buu | lucido: What's wrong with my solution? |
| 23:06.44 | lucido | buu, nothing |
| 23:06.46 | buu | =[ |
| 23:06.48 | petn-randall | Reelax: Right, that's why you have backups somewhere else? |
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| 23:06.58 | phogg | let's solve it three different ways, just for fun |
| 23:07.06 | phogg | okay, you're right, four ways is better |
| 23:07.21 | petn-randall | Let's make a Perl obfuscation contest out of it! |
| 23:07.22 | buu | I can solve it 4 ways in perl alone |
| 23:07.37 | petn-randall | (perl obfu)++ |
| 23:07.41 | phogg | buu: that's because tmtowtdi |
| 23:07.48 | phogg | buu: which includes non-perl ways |
| 23:07.50 | buu | perl obfu is fun but its so much easier to read than C lol |
| 23:07.52 | petn-randall | +i |
| 23:07.52 | Reelax | petn-randall: im not taking backups every hour |
| 23:08.00 | lucido | phogg, libopenal1:amd64 (1.14-4, automatic), aspell-en:amd64 (7.1-0-1, automatic), libgconf-2-4:amd64 (3.2.5-1+build1, automatic), libsoundtouch0:amd64 (1.6.0-3, automatic), libatk1.0-0:amd64 (2.4.0-2, automatic) |
| 23:08.03 | Reelax | petn-randall: still cant beleive whats going on |
| 23:08.11 | phogg | lucido: and which part did you want to remove? |
| 23:08.19 | buu | lucido: You just want the package names right? |
| 23:08.27 | lucido | phogg, :*), |
| 23:08.35 | dvs | Reelax: rsnapsho can |
| 23:08.37 | phogg | lucido: I don't see any * in that input |
| 23:08.39 | lucido | right |
| 23:08.46 | lucido | regexp * |
| 23:08.49 | phogg | lucido: oh, just packages? Okay |
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| 23:09.12 | buu | print $1 for /([\w-]+):/g |
| 23:09.28 | lucido | in sed? |
| 23:09.28 | MACscr | hmm, im using spamassasin with spamc and spamass-milter. For some reason when the SA service is started, it cant create a socket because the spamasssasin directory doesnt exist in /var/run/. Shouldnt it be creating that automatically? I know if i manually create it, it seems to start |
| 23:09.35 | MACscr | though obviously i lose that folder on reboot |
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| 23:13.43 | petn-randall | MACscr: Which release are you running? And which version of spamassassin? |
| 23:14.23 | MACscr | petn-randall: 7.5 and SA 3.4 |
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| 23:15.15 | morton | i have mysql server on another computer on my network, how do i install mediawiki packages without installing mysql server on a different computer? |
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| 23:16.01 | buu | morton: It doesn't depend on just the client packages? |
| 23:16.10 | petn-randall | morton: Just don't install the recommended package, there's not hard dependency on mysql. |
| 23:16.26 | morton | how do i tell apt to do that |
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| 23:17.15 | petn-randall | morton: check 'man apt-get', there's an option called --no-install-recommends |
| 23:17.21 | morton | thx |
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| 23:24.51 | Dirkson | Hey all. gnupg-agent is requesting I install some x11 libraries. How do I make it stop doing that? |
| 23:25.03 | Dirkson | Rather - apt-get install gnupg-agent is requestiong these : ) |
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| 23:25.23 | linuxuz3r | anyone have macbook pro and installed debian on it |
| 23:25.33 | petn-randall | !anyone |
| 23:25.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:26.30 | phogg | lucido: What's more monstrous than perl? BASH: { IFS=', ' read -a l < <(your apt command here) ; printf '%s\n' "${l[@]%%:*}" ; } | while IFS= read p ; do [[ $p =~ [()] ]] || echo "$p" ; done |
| 23:26.45 | petn-randall | Unless you really wanted to know if anyone has Debian on a macbook pro, the answer is yes :) |
| 23:27.04 | Dirkson | phogg: That'd probably be pretty readable if it were separated onto its own lines. Some excess brackets, but otherwise fine. |
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| 23:27.22 | parcs | hello |
| 23:27.25 | phogg | Dirkson: readability wasn't really a goal, which was in fact humor |
| 23:27.41 | Dirkson | phogg: Oh, fair enough ^^ I probably just showed up for the punchline, sorry! |
| 23:27.43 | phogg | Dirkson: I could probably make it *more* convoluted and still only use builtins but I gave up trying |
| 23:27.59 | parcs | does anybody know why my secondary drive, /dev/sdb, has read/write bits set for the group "floppy"? |
| 23:28.13 | phogg | parcs: Somebody (you?) set it that way |
| 23:28.16 | MACscr | petn-randall: someone is saying this is an old debian bug: mkdir /var/run/spamassassin. it`s a old debian/spamassassin bug -> write the command in your crontab |
| 23:28.18 | MACscr | sure seems like a dirty hack |
| 23:28.36 | parcs | phogg: wasn't me, i swear :) |
| 23:29.03 | parcs | phogg: but if i changed tho group from floppy to disk, will this change persist between reboots? |
| 23:29.40 | phogg | parcs: probably. Check your udev rules and see if anything is set to change it. |
| 23:31.06 | parcs | ok, will do |
| 23:31.12 | Dirkson | Hey all. gnupg-agent depends on "pinentry-gtk2", which I don't want, as it pulls in lots of x11 dependencies. How do I force it not to install that bit? |
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| 23:32.03 | parcs | phogg: ah, /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules seems to assign the group "floppy" to all usb or removable block devices.. |
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| 23:33.04 | parcs | however this is a sata hard drive connected via usb |
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| 23:34.10 | phogg | parcs: at one time it may not have been, perhaps |
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| 23:35.37 | nulld1g1t | good night |
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| 23:39.51 | parcs | phogg: sorry, may not have been what? |
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| 23:40.29 | justanotheruser | Ive mounted the hard drive of an old laptop. It had an encrypted Debian running. How do I extract the contents? I have config-3.2.0-4-amd64, initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64, System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64, vmlinux-3.2.0*4-amd64 and the folders grub and lost+found |
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| 23:41.48 | Mousey | if it had an encrypted debian running and you don't have the password.. glwt |
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| 23:42.29 | Jeeves_Moss | does anyone know how to connect a USB 3G stick to the Bell Canada network from the CLU? |
| 23:42.31 | Jeeves_Moss | *CLI? |
| 23:43.06 | justanotheruser | Mousey: I do know the password |
| 23:43.20 | Mousey | oh |
| 23:43.24 | Mousey | cryptmount |
| 23:43.28 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: Shouldn't bell support know? |
| 23:43.35 | justanotheruser | I just don't know how to get the contents. Like turn those files into the root directory and all its children |
| 23:43.53 | Mousey | are they LUKS encrypted? |
| 23:43.57 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, lol. apparently, they're too good to support Linux! Oh the horror |
| 23:45.18 | justanotheruser | Mousey: I'm pretty sure it is |
| 23:45.21 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: wtf. can you get that in writing? I'm sure there's some tech blogs and newspapers that would run that as a story. |
| 23:46.01 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, are you kidding?! They'd never admit to that. I'm sure I could/should record it. I'm going to see if they have an "on-line" chat. |
| 23:46.30 | justanotheruser | Mousey: I assume initrd.IMG is the file I would run through cryptmount? |
| 23:46.45 | justanotheruser | Assuming cryptmount is a utility |
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| 23:49.08 | MACscr | how about this question, it seems that the directory /var/run/spamassassin isnt being created on boot or when the spamassassn service is started. What should be creating it and where should i start looking? |
| 23:49.17 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/397027-how-get-bell-canada-3g-usb-network-up-4.html |
| 23:49.58 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, thanks. |
| 23:50.14 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: it looks better in Google Groups (same list): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.user/07zE2B4w2Nw |
| 23:50.34 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, I've been looking at that. the connection2 string is where it fails. |
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| 23:52.50 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: what kind of stick? |
| 23:52.54 | parcs | phogg: what luck, just a few weeks ago this issue has been fixed by deleting 91-permissions.rules: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=commit;h=4ce5b1f1e46a7d1b934c695c76f54928a0176aa7 |
| 23:53.21 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, it's a BeagleBone with a cape on it. one sec. |
| 23:53.43 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:2412 Standard Microsystems Corp. |
| 23:55.12 | hugg | Jeeves_Moss: no idea, sorry. My Bell stick experience is limited to Windows XP->7 |
| 23:56.25 | Jeeves_Moss | hugg, lol. ok. thanks. I'm jumping through the hoops with Bell Canada |
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| 23:57.26 | parcs | phogg: thanks for the help :) |
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