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| 00:27.25 | dvs | Jeeves_Moss: Typical Bell |
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| 00:34.48 | Jeeves_Moss | dvs, yep. on hold with tech support, and the guy is trying to tell me he dosen't have a supervisor and that he's the highest level of support. So I asked him for his billing information (since at the onset of hte call, I gave them a verbal contract for wasting my time) |
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| 00:46.33 | kyle__ | So, I've got a laptop with haswell graphics, and with wheezy, I get no X unless I toss in an xorg.conf specifying fbdev. |
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| 00:47.13 | kyle__ | Whats' the "right" way forward, since I don't want to run jessie. |
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| 00:50.57 | Brigo | kyle__, i think you have a problem: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/01/msg01483.html |
| 00:51.56 | kyle__ | Brigo: Yup. Sounds like it. |
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| 00:52.09 | Brigo | yes ... :-/ |
| 00:52.44 | Brigo | kyle__, may be you can try to install the intel driver from jessy ... |
| 00:52.56 | Coweater | i saw talk of a possible xserver-xorg-video-intel wheezy backport, but there's nothing in wheezy-backports at the moment |
| 00:53.09 | Brigo | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 00:53.12 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b1 |
| 00:53.12 | kyle__ | Brigo: I've never done the backports thing before, though it seems amazing to some... do you just do the driver, or all of X? |
| 00:53.38 | Shurtagul | How do you use ffmpeg or avconv to change the resolution of a video? |
| 00:53.58 | Brigo | it is not reallya backport from the backports repo, is only install the package and cross fingers :) |
| 00:54.18 | Brigo | of course you can uninstall it if no luck. |
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| 00:54.28 | kyle__ | Shurtagul: I think that's covered in the FFMPEG docs on their site? There's a pretty amazing ammount of stuff there to be honest. |
| 00:54.47 | Shurtagul | Ill check it out thanks :) |
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| 00:56.18 | Brigo | kyle__, you can test it: point your repos at jessi, apt-get update and apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel, and let see what apt says. |
| 00:56.56 | Brigo | may be you need to install few packages and can go on or may be you need a lot of package ... |
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| 00:57.28 | kyle__ | Hum. I'm trying the backports method now... for whatever reason it's upgrading tar, octave and qemu-kvm as well.... lets see how well this works :) |
| 00:57.51 | Brigo | good luck. I must go, kyle__ . |
| 00:58.34 | Shurtagul | -sigh- Ive read the man pages as well is the docs, but I still dont get how to use ffmpeg for this. I believe I use the -s modifier but I cant get it to work. |
| 00:58.59 | somiaj | Brigo: I woudln't suggest advising to people to mix jessie sources with wheezy, as that is not supported and could cause more problems than it could solve. |
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| 00:59.32 | somiaj | kyle__: with backports you can really only get a newer kernel, if you need newer xorg drivers to go with the kernel you may find yourself backporting all of xorg. |
| 00:59.44 | Brigo | somiaj, yes, but it was the only i can think to try to solve the problem. |
| 01:00.37 | somiaj | kyle__: I mean for your siutation, I know during the life time of squeeze xorg got backported for newer hardware. But are you positive you need a newer version of xorg and not just a newer kernel so the intel kms driver works with your card? |
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| 01:04.42 | kyle__ | sighs |
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| 01:05.02 | kyle__ | somiaj: I'll try a n ew kernel. |
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| 01:05.32 | kyle__ | somiaj: From what I've read, it's an xorg debian-specific-build-regression (not even an xorg regression) |
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| 01:05.52 | kyle__ | somiaj: For good 3d support, you need a newer kernel, but supposedly you don't need it for just 2d. |
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| 01:06.21 | GrantK | Hi. Working with jessie, trying to install ffmpeg. Here, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ffmpeg, it's not available. Somewhere else? |
| 01:07.00 | SynrG | libav-tools instead. |
| 01:08.05 | GrantK | SynrG: Hi, thanks! How/where would I know that? I'm guessing it's doc'd somewhere. |
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| 01:10.33 | themill | GrantK: 'apt-get install libav-tools' -- no tutorial needed |
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| 01:11.08 | GrantK | themill: Asking where one knows that that's the package that now provides ffmpeg? |
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| 01:11.14 | bluezone | why is packaging .deb such a nightmare :( |
| 01:11.29 | themill | bluezone: it's not |
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| 01:11.42 | somiaj | kyle__: you can get 3.14 kernel from wheezy backports |
| 01:11.56 | themill | GrantK: ahh -- 'apt-cache search ffmpeg' and then 'apt-cache show libav-tools' will tell you this package replaces ffmpeg. |
| 01:12.18 | bluezone | themill, do you have a good tutorial on how to do it? the ones i've seen aren't that great at explaining :( |
| 01:12.38 | themill | dpkg: tell bluezone about nmg |
| 01:12.40 | bluezone | "It's a little bit of magic..." a reoccurring phrase |
| 01:13.09 | themill | bluezone: if the upstream code is sane it's very easy indeed. The less sane the upstream build system is, the more work is required |
| 01:13.22 | GrantK | themill: ah, so it does not PROVIDE ffmpeg ... |
| 01:13.28 | bluezone | we're talking 4-5 .py files |
| 01:13.30 | kyle__ | bluezone: debs do a lot for you. Simpler packaging systems use renamed tarballs with a script to run burried in it. |
| 01:14.27 | themill | GrantK: there's a /usr/bin/ffmpeg in wheezy that was left there as a compatibility symlink and is removed for jessie. |
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| 01:14.42 | bluezone | honestly i got something to work, i just don't know how conforming to convention it is |
| 01:15.07 | bluezone | anyone care to take a look at it? :P |
| 01:15.24 | themill | bluezone: are you intending this package end up in debian eventually? |
| 01:15.26 | SynrG | convention shouldn't bother you. but policy should. you can be unconventional and still make a solid package ... |
| 01:15.34 | kyle__ | yea! The kernel from backports worked. And it only ended up installing about of 1/3rd of jessie to get it! |
| 01:15.37 | bluezone | themill, yes |
| 01:15.39 | SynrG | packages that violate policy will draw bugs. |
| 01:15.42 | GrantK | themill: Ok. I think this explains, or at least provides a cause, for some of the XBMC build issues I'm having. THanks! |
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| 01:16.05 | themill | bluezone: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a better place to ask packaging questions -- uploading the package to mentors.debian.net is a good way of getting it somewhere for people to look at |
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| 01:16.23 | themill | GrantK: so you know that xbmc is in debian too, don't you? |
| 01:16.29 | kyle__ | still likes checkinstall for things he's not going to distribute past his own systems. |
| 01:17.06 | GrantK | themill: Not for the Rapsbian variant, cross-built on Opensuse it's not ;-) |
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| 01:17.55 | themill | GrantK: egads.... (and you should be asking in #raspbian as they know what tools they have and what they don't) |
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| 01:19.03 | GrantK | themill: er, no. I'm asking in Debian because I'm building on Debian. Too ... I'm side-by-side-ing builds in clean Debain, and this other mess, and comparing stepwise, fixing things as I go. |
| 01:19.31 | kyle__ | OK. I'm not amused. The backports kernel worked via the, it autodetects it doesn't like haswell graphics, and loads fbdev instead, instead of dying on haswell graphics. |
| 01:19.52 | themill | GrantK: well for building xbmc on debian, all you need to do is to use the debian packaging; /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 01:20.40 | mns | what is a good console based MPD client ? |
| 01:20.52 | GrantK | themill: thanks. not relevant to what I'm doing, but useful to know. |
| 01:21.03 | zykotick9 | mns: i'd _highly_ recommend ncmpcpp YMMV |
| 01:21.28 | mns | zykotick9: cool. I'll give that a look see |
| 01:21.35 | themill | GrantK: well the build-dependencies will be the same on raspbian (and you can build it directly on the rpi -- it's not so slow that it's really worth cross-compiling) |
| 01:22.03 | bluezone | themill, the mentors channel seems a little dead but i will give it a try, and thanks for this tutorial i think this will do well |
| 01:22.33 | themill | bluezone: sure you're in the right place? |
| 01:22.53 | bluezone | themill, i think so, there's 6 people though |
| 01:23.06 | GrantK | themill: a LOT slower than my 16-cores here :-) and, I'm _interested_ in cross-building. This is a good exercise to that end AND it gets me an app that I want in the end. |
| 01:23.17 | themill | bluezone: no, there's 260 people and it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:23.24 | bluezone | themill, oh |
| 01:23.33 | themill | GrantK: the slow step appears to be getting the cross-building working, not the compilation ;) |
| 01:23.45 | themill | there's only one of you, not 16. |
| 01:24.07 | GrantK | It's after 5pm, and I have a Margirata. DOesn't matter. |
| 01:24.17 | GrantK | Margarita* |
| 01:24.20 | themill | :) |
| 01:25.33 | GrantK | themill: as if "this is painful & idiotic" ever stopped anyone ;-) |
| 01:26.00 | themill | fair call |
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| 01:31.27 | mns | zykotick9: if I use ncmpcpp, and am streaming over http from mpd, do I need something else to get output on my laptop speakers ? |
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| 01:32.24 | zykotick9 | mns: sorry, i've never done anything then use local music (or over nfs) so have no idea. best of luck. |
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| 01:34.00 | zykotick9 | mns: there is an mpd irc channel (they've been "not to friendly" to the debian-packaged version mind you)... |
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| 01:39.05 | mns | zykotick9: ok thanks. am already there. thanks for the warning. |
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| 01:47.53 | beepie | wondering, isn't dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server supposed to regenerate /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key ? |
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| 01:51.56 | PryMar56 | beepie, if the set of /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* has been deleted first or is firstboot |
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| 01:57.52 | Dirkson | Hey all. gnupg-agent depends on "pinentry-gtk2", which I don't want, as it pulls in lots of x11 dependencies. How do I force it not to install that bit? |
| 01:57.57 | beepie | PryMar56, I don't think i needed it, .. it's not definied in sshd_config so I guess it'll never be used anyways |
| 01:58.02 | beepie | (thanks) |
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| 02:00.30 | themill | Dirkson: «gnupg-agent Depends pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-curses | pinentry» so just install one of the altenatives |
| 02:00.48 | Dirkson | themill: Oh! Thanks. I read the depends wrong. |
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| 02:13.27 | rawfodog | I tried to use iwconfig to connect to a wifi point tonight, I used dhclient wlan0 and it just kept hanging and wouldnt do anything |
| 02:16.25 | hydra7 | After years of unpredictable releases, Debian recently switched to a two-year release cycle. is it true? |
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| 02:17.00 | codepython777 | whats the difference between libjpeg-dev and libjpeg8-dev? do i need both? |
| 02:17.43 | centrx | hydra7, That is a misleading statement. |
| 02:18.22 | rawfodog | codepython777, one is for jpeg 2000 I think |
| 02:18.27 | hydra7 | centrx: what is the truth? |
| 02:18.31 | centrx | codepython777, That number indicates a version |
| 02:18.42 | rawfodog | ._. |
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| 02:19.48 | codepython777 | centrx: when i install libjpeg8, libjpeg, libjpeg62, ... how do they co-exist on the system? |
| 02:19.56 | centrx | hydra7, The counter-point is: Debian releases have generally always been at approximately two-year intervals, and Debian is still released only "when it's ready" |
| 02:20.16 | rawfodog | is it for imagemagick ? |
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| 02:20.39 | hydra7 | centrx: thanks |
| 02:21.09 | codepython777 | rawfodog: are you asking me? |
| 02:21.22 | rawfodog | yes |
| 02:21.23 | centrx | hydra7, Two years is definitely more of a prominent target now, but it is not the same as some software that has very fixed release dates. |
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| 02:21.57 | codepython777 | rawfodog: am trying to install both PIL and pillows using pip |
| 02:22.17 | rawfodog | I've never heardof that lib before |
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| 02:23.04 | themill | codepython777: what are you trying to achieve with doing that? |
| 02:25.38 | googolhash | these torrents are more like trickles |
| 02:25.59 | centrx | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
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| 02:27.10 | codepython777 | themill: I need to be able to use both pil and pillows in my python applications |
| 02:27.25 | themill | that's pretty weird |
| 02:27.50 | codepython777 | themill: ? |
| 02:28.14 | codepython777 | I think i'm not clear about the dependencies of pillows/pil |
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| 02:35.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | how do i get rid of this error when i update? |
| 02:35.16 | \\Mr_C\\ | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 02:35.16 | \\Mr_C\\ | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r8169 |
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| 02:38.37 | hydra7 | can iceweasel 29 be installed in Debian Stable? |
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| 02:38.52 | centrx | hydra7, mozilla.debian.net |
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| 02:42.12 | hydra7 | centrx: i have to use backports? |
| 02:42.23 | hydra7 | ,v iceweasel |
| 02:42.24 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.5.0esr-1; sid: 29.0.1-1; experimental: 30.0~b5-3 |
| 02:42.49 | centrx | hydra7, Yes. wheezy has the Extended Support Release (ESR) of Firefox and it is sticking with that (version 24) |
| 02:43.42 | centrx | hydra7, The mozilla.debian.net packages are made by the same people that make the regular iceweasel package and work fine |
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| 02:44.52 | googolhash | real men use lynx |
| 02:45.11 | hydra7 | centrx: I am confused is IW29 available in backports? |
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| 02:45.44 | themill | hydra7: no, it's available from mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:45.58 | centrx | hydra7, It's not wheezy-backports, but it could be called a "backport", ^ |
| 02:46.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | real men use netscape |
| 02:46.09 | hydra7 | okay |
| 02:46.11 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe |
| 02:46.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | just kidding |
| 02:46.23 | googolhash | hah |
| 02:46.31 | googolhash | ubuntu is bullshit |
| 02:46.40 | themill | googolhash: wrong channel? |
| 02:46.54 | googolhash | ? |
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| 02:47.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | i feel [22:46] <googolhash> ubuntu is an offspring of some bastard sperm donator |
| 02:47.38 | googolhash | hah yeah |
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| 02:48.06 | googolhash | its almost as bad as Microsoft |
| 02:48.15 | themill | none of which are on-topic in #debian |
| 02:48.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | who? |
| 02:49.49 | \\Mr_C\\ | sorry for my ignorance, but i never heard of microshoft |
| 02:50.10 | themill | \dns googolhash |
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| 02:56.31 | acu | !openssl |
| 02:56.32 | dpkg | methinks openssl is the open source version of Secure Socket Layer. http://www.openssl.org/ . See also <why gnutls>. |
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| 03:05.48 | A|an | I'm trying to install Google Earth on wheezy...dl'd the .deb package from Google...trying to install it, it requires lsb-core, which requires stuff like alien, rpm, rpm2cpio...I'm wondering if this will, if not break my installation, otherwise not be a good idea. |
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| 03:06.11 | centrx | A|an, it's probably a bad idea |
| 03:06.19 | centrx | A|an, I would download the tarball and put it in my home directory |
| 03:06.24 | A|an | that was my vibe |
| 03:06.40 | A|an | a tarball for Google Earth? |
| 03:06.53 | A|an | where's it located? |
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| 03:07.25 | somiaj | A|an: what version of debian did they say the .deb was made for (or was it made for ubuntu?) |
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| 03:07.45 | somiaj | ,googlearth-package |
| 03:07.50 | somiaj | ,v googlearth-package |
| 03:07.51 | judd | No package named 'googlearth-package' was found in i386. |
| 03:08.00 | somiaj | ,v googleearth-package |
| 03:08.02 | A|an | damn...i've navigated away from it...just asec |
| 03:08.02 | judd | Package: googleearth-package on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 0.6.1; wheezy/contrib: 0.7.0; jessie/contrib: 1.1.0; sid/contrib: 1.1.0 |
| 03:08.20 | somiaj | A|an: in contrib is a package called googleearth-package which will create a .deb from google earth for your system. |
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| 03:08.41 | centrx | That's a good idea |
| 03:09.14 | A|an | http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 03:09.24 | A|an | ah, okay |
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| 03:09.59 | somiaj | A|an: google isn't being clear on what that .deb is actually compadable with, I'd trust making one with googleearth-package more |
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| 03:11.22 | A|an | You would think they'd be more helpful...they're such geniuses |
| 03:11.33 | A|an | is this the package: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=googleearth-package |
| 03:11.59 | somiaj | you can apt-get install that package on your system if you have the contrib repo enabled |
| 03:12.02 | A|an | (the one for wheezy) |
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| 03:12.11 | A|an | okay |
| 03:12.13 | A|an | great |
| 03:12.59 | A|an | thanks |
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| 03:39.38 | OldParr | clamwin found infected files how do i get their path ? |
| 03:39.51 | OldParr | clamAV |
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| 03:41.14 | OldParr | how do i get the path to infected files with clamav |
| 03:42.24 | LtL | OldParr: the 'find' command |
| 03:43.27 | LtL | OldParr: i would think clamav has logs, look in /var/log/ |
| 03:44.11 | OldParr | a logfile would be useful |
| 03:44.49 | LtL | OldParr: its probably /var/log/clamav or something |
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| 03:55.39 | beepie | ssh-keygen -N "" -t dsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key << isn't the default of 1024 bits too short? |
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| 03:56.54 | SuperMiguel | im trying to add my mpich3 folder to my PATH, but if i edit my .profile file, and add at the end PATH="PATH:/home/pi/mpich3/install/bin" when i reboot, for some reason my /usr/bin is no longer in my path, like i cant do ls, will say command not found |
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| 04:00.56 | wols | SuperMiguel: you need PATH=$PATH:.... note the "$" sign |
| 04:01.47 | wols | beepie: http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/16/0955_peter_gutmann.pdf |
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| 04:02.31 | mikey85 | I was banned in ubuntu because rww |
| 04:02.52 | mikey85 | all i did was ask a questiona and he muted me :( |
| 04:03.01 | dequeued | how dare you |
| 04:03.11 | mikey85 | how do i get supybot to work was all I wanted |
| 04:03.26 | dequeued | you're about to get b7 |
| 04:03.30 | dequeued | b& |
| 04:03.33 | mikey85 | :O |
| 04:03.39 | mikey85 | nnooooo :O |
| 04:03.41 | mikey85 | :D |
| 04:03.56 | mikey85 | seriously, how can I get supybot to work? |
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| 04:04.58 | mikey85 | yea supybot |
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| 04:05.12 | mikey85 | it's made with python |
| 04:05.15 | mikey85 | scripted |
| 04:05.22 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 04:05.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 04:07.34 | OldParr | i found the log but is almost empty has a maximun sise applied |
| 04:07.44 | OldParr | size |
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| 05:10.05 | Alex_ | Help! kde is unstable |
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| 06:21.53 | jmcnaught | M4rkus: maybe you could describe the problem you're having? i use both of those things |
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| 06:41.37 | my_email_no | if I lose the password to the email which my main email sends, when I want to retrive my password, I am screwed right? |
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| 06:51.31 | BotaniCar | Your secondary e-mail account surely has a recovery option too. |
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| 07:00.11 | spyder | how can i get kernel header for 3.13-1amd64 |
| 07:00.22 | spyder | i am using debian jessie |
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| 07:13.18 | BenNZ | spyder: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:17.09 | spyder | BenNZ: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64" |
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| 07:20.03 | n-st | btrfs-tools in wheezy-backports seems to lack the 'btrfs send' function can i just install the .deb from sid or compile btrfs-tools from source? |
| 07:20.08 | BenNZ | spyder: try aptitude update && aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:20.29 | wols | spyder: what debian is this? |
| 07:20.53 | wols | ,kernels |
| 07:20.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc5-686-pae (3.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.4-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 07:21.35 | themill | spyder: looks like you've missed out on updating your kernel |
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| 07:21.47 | wols | as you can see, none has 3.13 anymore. you can probably find the headers for your kernel at snapsho.debian.net still. or you install a current kernel and this time install headers at the same time |
| 07:22.04 | wols | which would be the better choice |
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| 10:49.19 | discovered | Anyone installed debian on VAIO Fit 15A ? I am considering to buying this laptop! |
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| 10:58.05 | lucidau | where do I find deb-buildpackage? |
| 10:58.49 | colo-work | are you looking for `dpkg-buildpackage`? |
| 10:59.35 | lucidau | colo-work: yes |
| 10:59.53 | colo-work | dpkg-dev: /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:00.06 | lucidau | colo-work: ok got it dpkg-dev |
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| 11:04.15 | wrksx | ssh key auth is a bliss |
| 11:04.19 | lucidau | to build a deb with dpkg-buildpackage I have to extract the source and execute dpkg-buildpackage in its root? |
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| 11:06.11 | AboOmar | http://pastebin.com/KE7a1AvD Is this true for the upgrade? |
| 11:06.24 | AboOmar | ? |
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| 11:08.52 | lucidau | p# |
| 11:09.01 | AboOmar | http://pastebin.com/KE7a1AvD Is this true for the upgrade? |
| 11:09.29 | lucidau | AboOmar: true? |
| 11:10.09 | AboOmar | i use google translat |
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| 11:10.10 | lucidau | I see no statement about any upgrades |
| 11:10.36 | lucidau | AboOmar: whatd do u want tot do? |
| 11:11.27 | AboOmar | http://pastebin.com/UGLMdSVZ |
| 11:11.49 | AboOmar | I want to apply this |
| 11:12.05 | AboOmar | lucidau, |
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| 11:12.40 | AboOmar | Is that done properly? |
| 11:13.23 | wols | !tell AboOmar about jessie sources.list |
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| 11:13.46 | wols | AboOmar: jessie has no security or other updates repos |
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| 11:14.06 | wols | AboOmar: line 7+8 only, comment out the rest |
| 11:15.25 | lucidau | I have a usb3.0 GbE ethernet adapter, it's kernel module loads but no eth1 is present |
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| 11:16.08 | wols | lucidau: what is the dmesg output for it? what does /sbin/ifconfig -a say? |
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| 11:16.29 | lucidau | already added allow-hotplug eth1 |
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| 11:18.24 | lucidau | wols: oh it's there now,maybe it needed time. how can I specify which network interface is eth1 and 0? |
| 11:18.28 | AboOmar | wols, http://pastebin.com/diGJhcGA |
| 11:18.41 | AboOmar | Is that done properly? |
| 11:18.50 | wols | AboOmar: no. |
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| 11:19.29 | AboOmar | Please do unto me |
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| 11:19.47 | wols | lucidau: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules edit this for what is eth0 or eth1 |
| 11:20.17 | AboOmar | Please type it for me wols |
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| 11:20.26 | wols | AboOmar: I told you already about your first paste: testing has no updates so you can't have them in your sources.list. comment them out |
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| 11:20.40 | wols | !tell AboOmar about wheezy sources.list |
| 11:20.50 | wols | read the message dpkg sent you. for the 2nd time |
| 11:20.55 | wols | !fr |
| 11:20.56 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 11:21.11 | AboOmar | ok |
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| 11:22.38 | _val_ | Guys. I've a USB 3g dongle and want to make it accessable from the chroot. Is mount -o bind /sys sufficient for the job? |
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| 11:23.24 | colo-work | no, you also need /dev |
| 11:23.30 | colo-work | (you actually need /dev more than /sys) |
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| 11:23.52 | colo-work | bind-mounting /dev into the chroot should be enough for that |
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| 11:27.09 | _val_ | colo-work: I've created a script to do the automation http://sprunge.us/WDGL I had proc mounted and mount --bind /dev/shm |
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| 11:27.29 | AboOmar | wols, http://pastebin.com/VaCb5aQD |
| 11:27.31 | AboOmar | ?? |
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| 11:28.32 | _val_ | I have /dev/shm mounted. So I need to mount --bind /dev/ ? |
| 11:28.40 | AboOmar | That's all? wols |
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| 11:30.21 | AboOmar | Excuse me for I am weak in English |
| 11:30.21 | AboOmar | The use of Google Translate |
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| 11:34.00 | wols | AboOmar: sure |
| 11:34.22 | wols | AboOmar: no excuses necessary. we're even worse in egyptian :) |
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| 11:36.03 | Iridos | if you don't refer to historic texts, that's arabic? :P |
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| 11:36.52 | AboOmar | Are you from Egypt? :) >> wols |
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| 11:37.36 | wols | no I'm not |
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| 11:38.22 | AboOmar | Google does not translate as should ^ _ ^ |
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| 11:39.12 | AboOmar | apt-get install upgrade or apt-get install dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:39.52 | wols | dist |
| 11:40.11 | AboOmar | The most important thing is I have a software update |
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| 11:44.14 | _val_ | So mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev will make dev availiable in chroot and all the ttyUSB devices? |
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| 11:53.08 | sandman13 | do i have to remove IW24 to install IW29 from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 11:55.01 | petn-randall | sandman13: No, it will simply upgrade it. |
| 11:55.52 | sandman13 | petn-randall: which version is installed? I know I said IW29 but the site doesn't say anything and it's my guess |
| 11:56.25 | sandman13 | *will be installed? |
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| 11:56.43 | colo-work | apt-cache policy iceweasel |
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| 11:57.16 | sandman13 | colo-work: thanks |
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| 11:58.06 | vlt | Hello. I have some performance problems on a Debian machine. Sometimes it takes ages to open a new (screen) shell or for the apache to deliver a website. As if it’s waiting for something. System load is usually < 0.1. What I can always reproduce is closing "mc" which takes 5 seconds until I get a shell again. Any idea how to debuf this? |
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| 11:58.32 | vlt | *debug |
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| 11:59.05 | DarsVaeda | how can I startup something with my gui? I tried adding it to autostart in .config but nothing...I'd like to use volumeicon and make it permanent, "volumeicon&" works in terminal |
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| 12:00.53 | sandman13 | what is keyring? |
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| 12:03.12 | Walex | vlt: yes. |
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| 12:06.55 | Walex | DarsVaeda: that is a dark and twisted tale. It depends on the GUI and exactly what you mean by "startup something". |
| 12:07.43 | Walex | DarsVaeda: there are two "main" ways: 'man xsession' and http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html |
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| 12:08.27 | Walex | DarsVaeda: 'man xsession' is about starting *processes*, while the other is about starting '.desktop' *applications*. |
| 12:08.54 | Walex | sandman13: "keyring" is a file containing encryption or signing keys. |
| 12:09.35 | sandman13 | Walex: like public keys that we use for ssh? |
| 12:09.43 | Walex | vlt: run 'vmstat 1' and 'iostat -dkxz 1' in two terminals and look at CPU and IO. |
| 12:10.04 | wols | sandman13: it's for GPG mainly |
| 12:10.12 | Walex | sandman13: that's one possibility. The most common keyring in Debian is the one for keys used to sign packages. |
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| 12:10.34 | Walex | sandman13: as <wols> hinted you can have keyrings of different types: GPG, SSH, X509, ... |
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| 12:11.20 | sandman13 | Walex: got it |
| 12:11.26 | bakaneko | wow. i've found out that i have systemd. nothing's broke |
| 12:11.30 | gdm85 | is there a programmatic way to add a host to known_hosts without using ssh? the opposite of ssh-keygen -R |
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| 12:12.34 | Walex | bakaneko: burn it, burn it immediately. or it might infect you! |
| 12:13.01 | sandman13 | Walex: how? |
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| 12:14.32 | bakaneko | Walex, I realize that is a bad practice to rewrite working things and brake the standards, but i'm not an expert, just a user. wfm. Indeed I'll never move to wayland, because I use ssh -X |
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| 12:16.15 | deepblue | how to fsck /Media1 (an ntfs)? |
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| 12:16.38 | gdm85 | deepblue: I'd start by offering her a beer |
| 12:17.25 | gdm85 | deepblue: you can try ntfsck from ntfsprogs but from experience I suggest using a real M$-provided chkdsk |
| 12:17.59 | bezaban | any idea why a 'host host.domain.tld' would not echo anything back on the command line in wheezy, rather than an entry or not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)? |
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| 12:18.08 | Walex | gdm85: GNU/Linux ad <gdm85> is hinting does not really have a 'fsck' for NTFS. |
| 12:18.23 | Walex | deepblue: GNU/Linux ad <gdm85> is hinting does not really have a 'fsck' for NTFS. |
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| 12:18.53 | Walex | deepblue: gdm85: all that 'ntfsck' actually does is to mark the filetree as "to be checked" ;-) |
| 12:19.01 | deepblue | gdm85: i copied most files from /Media1 to /home/Sharedusers.only some files wouldn't get copied rendering errors.how to fix this? |
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| 12:19.16 | gdm85 | deepblue: boot a windows OS with the storage attached |
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| 12:19.29 | Walex | deepblue: gdb85: there is an actual checker for NTFS in 'ntfsresize', but it only checks, it does not repair. |
| 12:19.32 | gdm85 | Walex: yeah, that nails it |
| 12:19.47 | deepblue | Walex: : i copied most files from /Media1 to /home/Sharedusers.only some files wouldn't get copied rendering errors.how to fix this? |
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| 12:20.05 | Walex | deepblue: first you check whether you are getting IO errors/. |
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| 12:22.03 | deepblue | Walex: only prompted for errors but kind of errors was not mentioned |
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| 12:25.23 | Walex | deepblue: did you check 'dmesg' and 'smartctl -A ....'? |
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| 12:28.05 | deepblue | Walex: no,how? |
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| 12:29.50 | petern_ | Finding Gnome 3 themes for Wheezy is a task :p |
| 12:30.00 | Walex | deepblue: 'sudo dmesg | less' and 'sudo smartctl -A /dev/... | less' |
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| 12:34.11 | vlt | Walex: Thank you. This is vmstat while closing mc: http://pastebin.com/S4dBv9JD -- There’s so iostat available for this is a virtual machine (maybe I should open a ticket at the hoster). |
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| 12:41.08 | Walex | vlt: there is no load on that system when closing 'mc'. So it is not a performance problem. |
| 12:41.24 | Walex | deepblue: use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:50.32 | vlt | Walex: Right, it’s a I-have-to-wait-five-to-seven-seconds problem. Hmmmm |
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| 12:51.09 | Walex | vlt: not necessarily... it may be a network issue. |
| 12:51.27 | vlt | Walex: Ntework? What is mc doing with the network? |
| 12:51.31 | vlt | *net |
| 12:51.32 | Walex | vlt: somewhere you may have a network mounted filetree and it is responding very slowly. |
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| 12:51.51 | vlt | checks |
| 12:52.55 | vlt | Walex: There’s only "/" mounted. How can I find out what mc is doing? The problem does not occur closing aptitude, for example. |
| 12:53.04 | Walex | vlt: anyhow there is something really stranger about your 'vmstat', which is that the columns 'buff' and 'cache' are both 0, which is practically impossible. My guess is that like many you are cleverly lying by omission about your system configuration. |
| 12:53.41 | vlt | Walex: Maybe yes. |
| 12:54.04 | vlt | How to find out? |
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| 12:56.01 | sirEgghead | I have 2 servers that I just inherited with Jessie installed on them. They are otherwise blank. I was attempting to downgrade them to Wheezy and put them into production. I have edited my sources.list for wheezy and performed apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade. I am running across a few issues on each one. My first issue is with gcc-4.7-base on one system and can be seen here: http://pastie.org/9192635 |
| 12:56.09 | Walex | vlt: you could do 'strace -f mc 2> /tmp/mc.str' and then as soon as it starts type F10 to quit it. |
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| 12:56.41 | vlt | Walex: Thanks |
| 12:57.39 | Walex | sirEgghead: ohiohi ohiohi. If you do a version *downgrade* and from an unstable version you need to be very, very skilled with package management. Don't expect to be able to sort out the issue on IRC. |
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| 12:58.19 | Walex | sirEgghead: I would use 'aptitude' with automatic dependency resolution off, and a lot of patience. |
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| 12:58.44 | Walex | vlt: then once you have 'tmp/mc.str' post it to paste.debian.net |
| 12:58.55 | sirEgghead | Walex, I tried using similar commands with aptitude as well. I'm not as skilled with package management as I should be though. Hopefully I can learn something here today. :) |
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| 13:04.18 | Walex | sirEgghead: sirEgghead well, to do a downgrade rasonably you really need to disable automatic dependency resolution, and do it manually. Lots of patience. |
| 13:04.34 | Walex | sirEgghead: and be fairly familiar with 'aptitude' to do that/ |
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| 13:05.50 | Walex | sirEgghead: let's say it is a brave task :-). Not too difficult, but brave. |
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| 13:06.07 | wols | I'd rather use dpkg for a downgrade myself |
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| 13:06.16 | Walex | sirEgghead: It is easier if you don't downgrade 'libc6' and other core packages until the last moment. |
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| 13:06.53 | simpleuser | Hi there. I’m an Ubuntu user and I’d like to use Debian Wheezy. I saw app-apt-repository is now available in Wheezy. Are you using PPA ? Is it usually working or there are more problems than on Ubuntu ? |
| 13:07.07 | sirEgghead | Walex, at this point, I don't know exactly what I should do. I understand your overhead explanation, but translating that into what I should do is beyond me. Would you or someone else be willing to give me a hand with these two machines? |
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| 13:07.46 | simpleuser | add-apt-repository*, sorry |
| 13:07.55 | Walex | sirEgghead: not to the point of logging into them, and only for generic advice... |
| 13:08.13 | Walex | sirEgghead: how familiar are you with 'aptitude'? |
| 13:08.41 | Walex | sirEgghead: I can get you started though. |
| 13:08.51 | themill | simpleuser: don't use apt-add-repository and don't use PPAs with debian. PPAs compile things for ubuntu not for debian. |
| 13:08.55 | sirEgghead | Walex, just basic stuff. update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, safe-upgrade, full-upgrade. and I tinkered with full-resolver earlier |
| 13:09.39 | joaocfernandes | after a upgrade , gdm says oh no! Something... . I have been looking arround logs , Xserver doesn have a single error, gdm 0-greeter.log says Error getting login monitor: -2 anyone has a clue? |
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| 13:10.18 | simpleuser | themill: Ok. So if you find a program that is only available on ppa, you just don’t use it ? |
| 13:10.34 | themill | simpleuser: can't say I've ever been in that situation |
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| 13:11.10 | simpleuser | Ok. Thanks. Has anyone ever been in a situation where a program was only available in PPA ? |
| 13:11.33 | joaocfernandes | hum... no |
| 13:11.35 | Walex | sirEgghead: what you need to start is: both 'testing' and 'wheezy' lines in '/etc/apt/sources.list'. Start 'aptitude' with '-u -t wheezy'. "upgrade" everything. switch to manual dependency resolution in the Aptitude options panel. Fix manually all broken dependencies. |
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| 13:11.47 | Walex | simpleuser: Debian has "backports" not PPAs. |
| 13:11.49 | joaocfernandes | use the source |
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| 13:12.22 | themill | Walex: don't demean the quality of debian's backports by lumping them in the same basket as PPAs... |
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| 13:12.53 | simpleuser | Ok, so otherwise you prefer compile the source ? |
| 13:13.18 | Walex | themill: uhmmm, but there are "official" backports and PPAs and unofficial backports and PPAs. Read carefully the label before use :-). |
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| 13:13.51 | wols | when I use "make deb-pkg" to create a custom kernel, how can I tell it not to build a dbg package as well? |
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| 13:14.05 | simpleuser | It’s just I see many programs I use are fetched from PPAs. So I’m a bit worried when I am using Debian. |
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| 13:15.14 | Walex | simpleuser: "fetched from PPAs" is not too different from "many EXEs I use on MS-Windows are downloaded from random internet sites run by the Chinese triad or the NSA or the Russian mafia" :-). |
| 13:15.27 | simpleuser | Hehe. Sure. |
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| 13:16.12 | simpleuser | I’m not really concerned about safety but about breaking the system. |
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| 13:16.41 | themill | I'm not sure there's a difference |
| 13:16.45 | mintgreen | i migreated /home to /dev/sdc1 which is 2TB.now it takes long to respond and the Debian Wheezy hangs so often.what's wrong? |
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| 13:17.32 | CeBe1 | Why do I have "Notify me about new Ubuntu version" setting in debian wheezy package sources settings? Where can I report/fix that? :) |
| 13:17.55 | sirEgghead | Walex, I got dependencies turned off, but I'm unsure of how to perform the upgrade that you want. |
| 13:17.58 | CeBe1 | its a fresh install, did not do anything weird yet :) |
| 13:18.08 | themill | CeBe1: Already reported. I think you can see how many people use synaptic / software-centre |
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| 13:19.16 | Walex | sirEgghead: '+' on the 'Upgrades' tab. |
| 13:20.35 | Walex | mintgreen: yor USB (guessing) disk is likely broken or has too little power. |
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| 13:21.27 | Walex | vlt: so what did the 'strace' show? |
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| 13:21.29 | vlt | Walex: strace of mc http://paste.debian.net/100796/ |
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| 13:22.04 | vlt | Walex: It doesn’t matter which user does this, btw. |
| 13:22.14 | sirEgghead | Walex, forgive me, but how do I get to the upgrades tab? |
| 13:23.03 | Walex | sirEgghead: I meant the "upgrades" fold |
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| 13:23.29 | sirEgghead | Walex, I still don't follow. :) |
| 13:23.31 | mintgreen | Walex: it's digital western internal HDD |
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| 13:25.31 | Walex | sirEgghead: oops, I just checked on a theoretical Wheezy to Squeeze downgrade and they come up in 'new packages' |
| 13:25.48 | Walex | mintgreen: then the disk or the cable to it or the interface are broken. |
| 13:25.59 | Walex | mintgreen: or else you are keeping it too busy. |
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| 13:26.23 | nullbyte_ | if i create a raid via 3 partitions (1volume) does will remove some Ubuntu data from drives? |
| 13:26.30 | Walex | and you happen to be 'deepblue'... |
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| 13:28.09 | Walex | mintgreen: so the obvious question is to run 'sudo dmesg | pastebinit' and 'sudo smartctl -A /dev/sdc | pastebinit' |
| 13:28.27 | sirEgghead | Walex, well I really don't know what I'm doing in this panel. I can't operate this thing. I didn't know aptitude had a user interface like this. I think at this point it may be better for me to try and walk my guy on site through installing Wheezy from DVD. |
| 13:28.34 | colo-work | dmesg doesn't need UID 0... |
| 13:28.40 | colo-work | (not for reading the buffer) |
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| 13:29.37 | mintgreen | Walex: it's my DEbian username.now i'm connected via LMDE |
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| 13:30.05 | Walex | mintgreen: run those two command lines perhaps preceded by 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' |
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| 13:30.59 | Iridos | so much sususudido |
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| 13:33.10 | Walex | sirEgghead: Ahhhh it get more complicated. |
| 13:33.32 | sirEgghead | Walex, I could only imagine. :) |
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| 13:34.54 | Iridos | erm, sorry that I come a bit late... but... sirEgghead downgrades aren't supported for some very good (and in retrospect rather obvious) reasons |
| 13:34.57 | kruug | Hello, what packages do I need to install to clear these errors? http://paste.debian.net/100732/ |
| 13:35.04 | Iridos | dpkg, downgrade |
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| 13:35.04 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 13:36.42 | Iridos | sirEgghead, and as downgrades can never truly work, packages/repositories contain no mechanisms whatsoever that try to make them work |
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| 13:37.17 | sirEgghead | Iridos, alright. I'll just see if I can talk my guy through installing Wheezy fresh. I'm not sure why Jessie was installed anyway. Thanks to everyone for their help. :) |
| 13:37.25 | wols | they can work. if you do everyone manually and fix the existing breakage in config files and data. it's not worth the major work and effort but it can work |
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| 13:38.43 | milligan | I've made a .deb for an engine I've written. Can I, in the postinst script, but normal batch scripting that would i.e look for a value in the sudoers file, and not insert a line should said value be found? |
| 13:38.51 | milligan | s/batch/bash |
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| 13:44.39 | Walex | Iridos: a whole-distro downgrade is possible, just very tricky :-) |
| 13:45.09 | Walex | mintgreen: the unsolicited 'dmesg' output you msged to me showed some IO errors. |
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| 13:50.10 | somiaj | milligan: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would know better about the policy and best way to mess with a config file. I'm not sure if you want to do it using debconf or not. |
| 13:50.26 | somiaj | milligan: your script will work I'm sure, but unsure if it meets debian policy |
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| 13:51.20 | milligan | It's not going to be published publicly .. so as long as it works, I am happy :) |
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| 13:52.01 | vlt | Walex: Any idea from the strace log? |
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| 13:54.47 | somiaj | milligan: if you aren't registering the config change with debconf you may have to worry if sudo rewrites its config file (which it shouldn't). I think it will be fine just saying what you may have to worry about if you upgrade/remove sudo |
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| 13:55.26 | somiaj | milligan: and depending on how you install stuff you might want to put a depends on sudo in such a way this package won't be installed until sudo is fully configured |
| 13:56.17 | sirEgghead | Walex, just tinkering a bit while I wait on my guy to be available. On those same machines, I'm stuck on one package on both machines. Anything that I try to install (ie: build-essential, which I need for certain things) I get an error about gcc-4.7-base:amd64. http://pastie.org/9192785 |
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| 13:58.11 | Walex | sirEgghead: that's just a symptom and it is still installing packages from 7/Wheezy. |
| 13:58.31 | Walex | vlt: the 'strace' seems fine. Do you still get a 5s delay on exiting? |
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| 13:59.27 | sirEgghead | Walex, I can't get past that one error. I dug through aptitude for anything installed related to gcc. I have tried using 'apt-get -f install' and it uninstalls a line of stuff to get back to where I was before I tried installing build-essential. Basically just a big loop out of a few commands. How can I get past this error with gcc? |
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| 13:59.44 | Walex | sirEgghead: to do downgrades the bit I had inadvertently omitted is that you rally need a specially constructed 'preferences' file for pinning. |
| 13:59.49 | sirEgghead | Walex, I feel that once I get past that, I may not have to get my guy to install fresh. |
| 14:00.14 | sirEgghead | Walex, oh yeah, I did create a preferences file earlier today. One sec and I'll get you a paste of that :) |
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| 14:00.33 | sirEgghead | Walex, http://pastie.org/9192798 |
| 14:01.42 | vlt | Walex: Yes, reproducable. |
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| 14:02.41 | vlt | Walex: It’s 16:00 here and I reached my debugging deadline. Will get a clean image from hoster. Thank. you. |
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| 14:05.24 | AboOmar | مرحبا |
| 14:05.55 | Walex | sirEgghead: you may want to know that "stable" means "Wheezy"... |
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| 14:07.38 | sirEgghead | Walex, yes :) |
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| 14:11.35 | sirEgghead | Walex, so where should I go from here? |
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| 14:17.03 | Walex | sirEgghead: I am a bit frustrated because as an exercise I am trying to build the right 'preferences' file for a downgrade from 'wheezy' to 'squeeze' and it seems I am getting the patterns wrong. |
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| 14:17.37 | kruug | I'm attempting to build a cryptocoin wallet from source, but I'm getting some missing package errors. Can anyone assist me in finding the proper package names to install? http://paste.debian.net/100732/ |
| 14:17.55 | jhutchins | Walex: That isn't a good idea. |
| 14:17.58 | jhutchins | !downgrade |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 14:18.39 | sirEgghead | Walex, ah |
| 14:18.44 | jhutchins | Walex: You really need to build a new system and transfer data and settings. |
| 14:18.45 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.8-base |
| 14:18.46 | judd | Package: gcc-4.8-base on i386 -- jessie: 4.8.2-21; sid: 4.8.2-23 |
| 14:19.02 | Walex | jhutchins: it is a very bad idea, but as a curiosity it can be done. |
| 14:19.23 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, really he's performing those actions as help to me. I have 2 systems that were running Jessie that I am trying to "downgrade" to Wheezy. |
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| 14:20.04 | jelly | sirEgghead: look at the set of packages that are not available at all in your target release, and carefully remove them from the system; /msg dpkg not available |
| 14:20.05 | jhutchins | The problem is that the internal package scripts can update configurations and settings, but there is no way for them to roll those changes back. |
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| 14:20.21 | sirEgghead | jhutchins, The systems can be reinstalled with Wheezy without losing any data. Mostly at this point it's just because I have someone on site with the systems that do not know linux at all and I will have to attempt to walk him through the install and partitioning. Just hoping to solve this remotely before he is available for a physical install. |
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| 14:20.36 | jelly | sirEgghead: that gcc-4.8-base thing, for example |
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| 14:21.42 | sirEgghead | jelly, yeah that gcc stuff is my bane at the moment. I wish I could figure that out, more so for curiosity's sake. |
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| 14:23.18 | jelly | sirEgghead: dpkg --remove those. |
| 14:23.42 | jelly | you may have to --force-depends (but try to avoid it) |
| 14:24.05 | sirEgghead | jelly, http://pastie.org/9192851 |
| 14:24.46 | jelly | after they're removed, apt or aptitude will have more options to try and create a consistent state |
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| 14:26.56 | airos | hello everyone, is there a packaged debian vm (like ovf) which has minimal configuration and apache installed? |
| 14:27.47 | airos | without gui |
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| 14:29.10 | codepython777 | I'm looking for a process manager with a web frontend. Something like supervisord/circus. Anyone has any other suggestions? |
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| 14:31.34 | Jeeves_Moss | what does " CAUTION: musb: Babble Interrupt Occurred" and how do I fix it? |
| 14:32.13 | somiaj | codepython777: just a process manager? I was thinking of something like http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels but this may have way to much control for what you really want. |
| 14:32.35 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: have you asked google, it is usually good about finding forums/mailing lists where errors were posted |
| 14:33.07 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, thanks. |
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| 14:33.19 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, do you know how to setup a USB stick to connect to a cell network? |
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| 14:34.10 | codepython777 | somiaj: http://ateska.github.io/ramona/images/screenshot-web.png |
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| 14:34.36 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: what do you mean? You have one of those verizon (or another cell service) usb dongles that use cell networks? |
| 14:34.43 | sirEgghead | jelly, did you see my paste about the dpkg --remove ? |
| 14:35.13 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, I have a beaglebone and a BBB cape with a 3G modem on it. I can get the OS to see the card, but I don't know to get it to connect to the network so I have an internet connection |
| 14:35.26 | somiaj | codepython777: I don't use such things, the link I gave you lists a bunch of different web admin alternatives, not sure what they all do, but that is where I would start looking. |
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| 14:35.50 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: me either, I'm unsure how they work and they may use porpriotary tools. |
| 14:36.36 | Jeeves_Moss | ohhh, ok. I called Bell Canada's tech support, and got the usal run around. Everything I'm finding on-line isn't helping. The last time I used a "modem" for internet connectivity with Linux was in the mid 2000s. |
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| 14:38.40 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: yea I would have no clue what sort of protocol you need. Can you give me the exact chipset of the device you are using? |
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| 14:38.58 | jelly | sirEgghead: did you see my comment right before that? |
| 14:39.01 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: or what about the output from lsusb of that device. |
| 14:39.03 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, 0424:2412 Standard Microsystems Corp. |
| 14:39.33 | sirEgghead | jelly, yes. I just wanted to make sure that this was one of those times that I should use it. :) |
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| 14:40.14 | jelly | sirEgghead: that's exactly the right place, considering the output |
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| 14:42.53 | alxjsn | If I wanted to install a newer version of libc6 what would be the best way to do this on a stable release? |
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| 14:43.05 | alxjsn | I see a newer version in testing, which I need. |
| 14:43.10 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/-7e5P8IxM3k |
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| 14:44.06 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, I think part of the issue is that there are a few pins that need documentation |
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| 14:44.32 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: I wouldn't know what to do, I'm just hunting around and I shoudl be doing my own work, best of luck |
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| 14:44.53 | wols | alxjsn: the best way is to recompile your binary to run with the libc6 in wheezy |
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| 14:46.33 | alxjsn | wols: It is a deb from another repo. |
| 14:47.18 | wols | alxjsn: then this other repo has source. use the source! |
| 14:48.10 | sirEgghead | jelly, looking like some positive progress from here. I will give you a further update once I am complete |
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| 14:53.28 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, thanks again. I'm new to this embedded programming, so it's a steep learning curve, and I'm starting to enjoy it. |
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| 14:56.27 | alxjsn | wols: If getting the sources is not an option what else could I do? |
| 14:56.36 | alxjsn | This is not open source... |
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| 15:07.49 | sirEgghead | jelly, I put the machines down for a reboot and they appear to be broken. I will just be installing Wheezy from a disc at this point. Thank you for the help and the teaching. |
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| 15:08.35 | jaccob | hi, you know the document viewer, how do you start it from command line, what is the shell name of that program? |
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| 15:09.06 | orilly | hello |
| 15:09.18 | jaccob | nevermind -evince |
| 15:09.27 | orilly | does anyone know a way to find out what is waking up my screen? |
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| 15:10.28 | orilly | if i use xset dpms force off to turn it off, it will turn on again by itself after a (seemingly) random time > 10 sec |
| 15:10.52 | orilly | i tried using xev to see if any key is accidentally pressed, but that's not the case |
| 15:11.28 | user1 | power options? what DM orilly? |
| 15:12.33 | orilly | dm is mate |
| 15:12.43 | orilly | power options, how do i look them? |
| 15:13.05 | user1 | ok thats gnomish.. try power settings |
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| 15:13.28 | user1 | settings-- power-- network options... |
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| 15:13.56 | petn-randall | orilly: Which release are you running? |
| 15:14.41 | RafaelK | Hello folks, is it possible to list all files, dependencies and other infos from debian packages? |
| 15:15.32 | stmiller | apt-cache show packagename |
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| 15:16.19 | orilly | petn-randall: jessie, i tought of going in #debian-next, but i was hoping there was a version agnostic command to list wakeups of the screen |
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| 15:17.48 | orilly | user1: i am sorry, i looked into "power management" in the control center, but i cannot seem to find anything related to screen wakeup |
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| 15:18.03 | RafaelK | stmiller: thanks but this is not what i need |
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| 15:18.11 | orilly | only to dim screen when idle |
| 15:18.18 | orilly | that was unchecked |
| 15:18.20 | RafaelK | i need only list not infopage |
| 15:18.31 | orilly | i checked it now, and i'll see if that works |
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| 15:19.27 | user1 | orilly hmm ok then.. iw ould try unplugging your networ device to be sure |
| 15:19.39 | RafaelK | i need dependencies list eq to "dpkg-query -L <package>" |
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| 15:20.27 | user1 | RafaelK also the Synaptic GUI can show dependancies for your packages |
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| 15:21.16 | RafaelK | user1: i need it for bash script :-P |
| 15:21.25 | orilly | user1: well, that would kinda defeat my purpose |
| 15:21.34 | orilly | i'm trying to leave the pc on, with screen turned off |
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| 15:21.45 | user1 | RafaelK need a dependancy list for a package? |
| 15:21.50 | orilly | to sinchronize file and play some streamed music |
| 15:22.01 | orilly | i can hard turn off the laptop screen |
| 15:22.14 | orilly | but i wanted something that woke up when i move the mouse or press a key |
| 15:22.37 | RafaelK | yes user1 |
| 15:22.41 | orilly | on my old ubuntu install xset dpms force off worked quite well |
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| 15:23.52 | user1 | RafaelK Synaptic's GUI, dpkg and apt can list dependancies for one or all of your packages |
| 15:24.17 | user1 | dpkg --help apt-get --help |
| 15:24.18 | dpkg | no idea, user1 |
| 15:24.20 | RafaelK | i know that, but i need clean list |
| 15:24.59 | RafaelK | like dpkg-query -L <package> |
| 15:25.38 | user1 | RafaelK ok dpkg is working for you.. so you want a list of all dependancies for all packages? |
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| 15:26.39 | RafaelK | not for all packages |
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| 15:26.46 | RafaelK | for given package |
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| 15:27.37 | user1 | RafaelK then why not just use dpkg-query then copy and paste the results to your bash script? |
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| 15:28.02 | RafaelK | also "show_dependencies_from <package>" |
| 15:28.05 | forestillusion | hello all |
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| 15:29.58 | RafaelK | user1: so i need no bash script then, if copy paste package dependencies :D |
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| 15:31.44 | user1 | RafaelK i do not know what your purpose for listing package dependencies is.. there are many ways to list one package's dependencies, what you do with the output is up to you |
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| 15:33.03 | forestillusion | i'm trying to run debian in a wm8850 device |
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| 15:33.34 | forestillusion | it's arm based |
| 15:34.22 | user1 | forestillusion so is raspian |
| 15:35.14 | RafaelK | user1 : do you know how to list clear list of dependency packages for one package? |
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| 15:36.37 | user1 | RafaelK again it depends on what program you use to list or query dependencies.. you may be able to rebuild your dependancy list using apt-get update |
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| 15:37.24 | skilz | How can I install all the backtrack packages? |
| 15:37.26 | forestillusion | user1: it's orginaly a 'smartbook' running android |
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| 15:37.40 | skilz | Can I add the repository sources to sources.list ? |
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| 15:37.59 | ctmjr | backtrack is dead |
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| 15:38.44 | user1 | forestillusion.. i havent tried it myself but Raspian is more similar than dis-similar to ARM based devices |
| 15:39.09 | forestillusion | user1: i see |
| 15:39.52 | forestillusion | user1: i was trying this one, http://seanlee99.blogspot.com.br/2013/04/build-your-emdebian-grip-for-arm.html |
| 15:39.57 | forestillusion | but no sucess |
| 15:41.23 | skilz | kali |
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| 15:41.53 | user1 | forestillusion Embedian was your model then.. if you know where your build failed that would help |
| 15:42.04 | GreatiSlam | I need program for read pdf and doc ,docx Only read |
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| 15:44.47 | shdsl | hello, i have a sdsl connection and i wanted to ask where my provider can adjust the downlink buffer of my internet connection |
| 15:44.55 | shdsl | is it on the dslam or bras? |
| 15:44.59 | skilz | GreatiSlam, Apache Open Office |
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| 15:45.47 | rulezzz | hi its normal that the process /usr/bin/perl /usr/share/logwatch/scripts/logfiles/samba/removeheaders eat 83.8%MEM ? |
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| 15:49.28 | Itisme | Is Debian testing stable enough? |
| 15:49.37 | Cpuroast | Itisme: depends for what |
| 15:49.45 | Itisme | as a general home OS |
| 15:49.51 | Cpuroast | probably |
| 15:49.57 | Cpuroast | I wouldn't use it for production servers |
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| 15:50.13 | jhutchins | Ishaq: You don't receive security updates as quickly as stable. |
| 15:50.17 | Itisme | yeah I am using wheezy on my servers |
| 15:50.21 | Cpuroast | but as long as you know how to deal with Linux in general it should be ok |
| 15:50.49 | jhutchins | Ishaq: Things can break and stay broken until they're fixed properly, which can leave your system unusable for weeks. |
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| 15:51.19 | jhutchins | Itisme: Sorry, bad nic completion, above comments were for you. |
| 15:51.34 | Itisme | jhutchins: okay |
| 15:51.39 | Cpuroast | I mean it's not as unstable as sid or experimental |
| 15:52.10 | Cpuroast | it's like the beta channel for Firefox or Chrome |
| 15:52.17 | jhutchins | Itisme: If the system is behind a good firewall, and you have a fallback incase it doesn't work, it can be fun. |
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| 15:52.47 | jhutchins | Itisme: One good way is to dual boot with testing and stable. You can boot stable if something breaks, and you can still chroot to the tesing install and update it when the fix comes out. |
| 15:52.47 | Itisme | I can't use wheezy though, all the software is too old |
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| 15:53.02 | jhutchins | Itisme: Like what? |
| 15:53.11 | Itisme | Iceweasel, everything in the repo |
| 15:53.12 | Cpuroast | if I ran linux at home, I'd run testing |
| 15:53.31 | Itisme | and nothing specific, just everything in general |
| 15:53.36 | Itisme | I want new software packages |
| 15:53.42 | jhutchins | Itisme: That's a vague generality that doesn't mean anything. Has DNS changed in recent years? NTP? Word processing? |
| 15:54.01 | Itisme | no, but the software has changed |
| 15:54.08 | Itisme | new features, ideas, bug fixes, etc |
| 15:54.20 | jhutchins | Also new bugs. |
| 15:54.58 | Itisme | well, I will install it now and see |
| 15:54.59 | forestillusion | user1: didn't boot |
| 15:55.04 | Itisme | bb |
| 15:55.06 | jhutchins | Itisme: Anyway, that's pretty contrary to the Debian philosophy, there are other distributions that concentrate on the latest software with full support. |
| 15:55.08 | forestillusion | user1: i'm planning to try out raspibian |
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| 15:56.04 | jhutchins | !raspian |
| 15:56.04 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 16:06.56 | krpt_ | Hi, uxterm won't take my alt key as a meta, I added those in my Xdefaults file : XTerm*eightBitInput: false XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true as stated in irssi faq, what I'm missing ? |
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| 16:11.36 | Walex | sirEgghead: a more suitable 'preferences' might look like: http://paste.debian.net/100841/ with the obvious changes |
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| 16:12.29 | mar | hey guys, does anyone have any idea where does the font config go, that is generated by the "advanced settings" dialog? |
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| 16:13.09 | Walex | mar: probably your are referring to '$HOME/.fonts.conf' |
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| 16:13.37 | Walex | krpt: ensure that your 'Alt' key is 'META' in X windows too... |
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| 16:14.33 | mar | Walex: nope, it's not there |
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| 16:15.36 | mar | Walex: i tried both that and ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf but its not there in either case |
| 16:15.49 | mar | Walex: nor it affects the appearance if i put a custom config in there manually |
| 16:15.52 | Walex | mar: then perhaps you are using something GNOME and it is then in the GNOME "registry". |
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| 16:16.04 | dimaursu16 | hello |
| 16:16.20 | Walex | mar: and perhaps it might be an old app that puts it in the X resource database under 'Xft.' |
| 16:16.46 | dimaursu16 | guys, I have an freescale i.MX53 device, and I followed this tutorial to install debian on it: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/i.MX53+Quick+Start#i.MX53QuickStart-LinuxKernel |
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| 16:16.56 | dimaursu16 | it works fine, except it won't find my usb devices |
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| 16:17.05 | mar | Walex: thank you, looking in to this |
| 16:17.13 | dimaursu16 | how can I make u-boot use the stock debian kernel? |
| 16:17.14 | Walex | mar: you could have been amazing and said *which* advanced setting dialog, as there are perhaps a dozen different ones in common applications. |
| 16:17.24 | dimaursu16 | can I use grub as a payload or something? |
| 16:17.34 | dimaursu16 | can I make u-boot load it directly? |
| 16:17.45 | mar | Walex: sorry. it's literally called "Advanced settings" in the applications menu |
| 16:18.05 | Walex | mar: which "applications menu"? :-) |
| 16:18.14 | mar | the uhh... gnome one? |
| 16:18.45 | mar | please bear with me if not being specific enough, i havent been using debian/linux for long |
| 16:18.47 | Walex | mar: then probably that is the 'gnome-tweak-tool', check if running that give you the same dialogs |
| 16:19.02 | Walex | mar: "there is more than one way to do it" :-) |
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| 16:19.23 | mar | Walex: yep that's the one |
| 16:19.32 | Walex | mar: regrettably there are *several* font systems in Debian GNU/Linux and configuring them is hellish. |
| 16:19.39 | A|an | Is it possible to partially install gnome, so that one can avoid running into the problem of having to uninstall the whole thing to get rid of one bothersome thing. |
| 16:19.47 | Walex | mar: I am writing a nice blog post with the summary of the most common ones. |
| 16:20.05 | centrx | A|an, why install gnome at all? |
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| 16:20.27 | A|an | I'm wondering that... |
| 16:20.35 | daggett | hi all |
| 16:20.40 | Walex | mar: 'gnome-tweak-tool' edits the GNOME "registry", so 'dconf' and neightbourhood. There is no good reason for you to wnat to have a look at that... |
| 16:20.49 | A|an | there is the menu, which is kinda handy |
| 16:21.06 | mar | Walex: i just ran gconf-editor with hopes of finding it there |
| 16:21.08 | Walex | A|an: yes of course, you can install any application you want. |
| 16:21.49 | Walex | A|an: but note the role of metapackages, and the difference between manual and auto installed packages. which is probably what is confusing you. |
| 16:22.08 | A|an | well, I guess I wasn't being clear...so one can piecemeal install everything that one gets when one does apt-get install gnome? |
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| 16:22.22 | mar | Walex: oops, thanks |
| 16:22.29 | A|an | It's the metapackage thing that is reallly bothersome |
| 16:22.50 | Walex | A|an: most likely you installed the whole of GNOME via a metapackage, and all its dependencies are marked as auto-installed, so when you delete the metapackage all its auto-deps are scheduled for dinsinstallation. |
| 16:23.01 | A|an | That's my question, really: Can one avoid the metapackage problem? |
| 16:23.16 | A|an | yes |
| 16:23.21 | jhutchins | A|an: I suppose you could use unmark-auto on the whole beast. |
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| 16:23.37 | Walex | A|an: you can install any GNOME bits and pieces one by one and then they will be marked as manually installed and thus not subject to auto-disinstallation. |
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| 16:23.59 | A|an | yeah, that's what I should've done, in hindsight |
| 16:24.00 | Walex | A|an: or you can mark the packages you want to keep anyhow as manually installed, if they are already installed. |
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| 16:24.23 | A|an | actually, I knew that, but forgot from the last time I did a complete install |
| 16:24.32 | Walex | A|an: you can switch easily the state of an installed packaged from auto to manual and back. |
| 16:24.55 | Walex | A|an: I usually use Aptitude to do all that retail work, and written a cool blog post on the topic |
| 16:25.00 | daggett | I have trouble communicating with a "HC-06" bluetooth module from the command line : rfcomm displays that there is a connection ready, but closed. Then when I execute "screen /dev/rfcomm0 9600" rfcomm says that the connection is "connected" (the BT module's LED shows that it is connected), but I can't communicate with the module (nothing gets sent or received) |
| 16:25.09 | A|an | I think evolution is the perfect example...when you google around, it seems everyone would like to get rid of it, but can't, because of the metapackage concern |
| 16:25.28 | Walex | A|an: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
| 16:25.30 | A|an | what's the address for your blog |
| 16:25.31 | A|an | tghanks |
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| 16:25.51 | daggett | can anyone help me solve this ? (I can connect and communicate with the BT module using my phone or gnome's BT applet) |
| 16:26.15 | mar | Walex: found it! :) |
| 16:26.30 | mar | thanks a lot |
| 16:26.44 | Walex | mar: hacking the GNOME registry is known to cause cancer in lab rats, even in moderate doses. |
| 16:26.59 | Walex | mar: don't open that door! :-) |
| 16:27.18 | mar | Walex: necessary evil. the default font rendering config is pretty bad |
| 16:27.50 | Walex | mar: the default font config is horrifying. But 'gnome-tweak-tool' sorts it out for you. |
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| 16:28.14 | Walex | mar: at least for the GNOME apps. Rregrettably you also need several other settings for other apps. |
| 16:28.14 | mar | Walex: almost. there's but one or two settings that it didnt expose and i wanted to see just how significant they are |
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| 16:29.04 | mar | but truthfully just turning hinting down from "medium" to "slight" does wonders |
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| 16:29.12 | Walex | mar: this is part 1 of my font-configuration post series. blog/13-one.html#130414 |
| 16:29.20 | Walex | mar: this is part 1 of my font-configuration post series. http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
| 16:29.30 | Walex | mar: usually that is a bad idea. |
| 16:30.15 | mar | its all in a VM environment, and im doing regular snapshots :D |
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| 16:30.33 | Walex | mar: the hinting level does not quite work as most people expect. Especially as relates to the choice between bytecode hinted and autohinter and whether the font is TT or PS. |
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| 16:31.25 | mar | Walex: im quite a layman when it comes to the inner workings here |
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| 16:31.38 | Walex | mar: you may want to read very carefully these two: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/Fontconfig/local.conf |
| 16:32.05 | Walex | mar: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html#fontCsXft2 |
| 16:32.15 | mar | bookmarked |
| 16:32.20 | Walex | mar: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html#appMisc |
| 16:32.49 | mar | damn i should've come here earlier |
| 16:32.54 | mar | ive got much more than i bargained for |
| 16:34.01 | Walex | BTW I changed my impressions that I have realized that one has to use Xft2 whether one likes it or not. And there are some small advantages. |
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| 16:36.50 | Great | skilz , Thanks |
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| 16:39.21 | GreatiSlam | skilz, Thanks For help |
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| 16:40.13 | mar | i read the other day the introduction of dot files was actually a result of lazy programming |
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| 16:40.43 | mar | makes me wonder what my home folder would look like had there been no hidden files |
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| 16:48.06 | shomon_ | hi |
| 16:48.33 | shomon_ | I was here the other day with everything appearing in blue boxes... |
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| 16:48.50 | shomon_ | the thing is, icons and menus, the app selector bit from unity is still visible |
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| 16:49.23 | shomon_ | but anything I launch, such as firefox or the terminal, come up in blue boxes and you can't see anything but it looks like it's functional, just all painted blue |
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| 16:49.32 | shomon_ | I wonder if unity is to blame.. it's an old computer. |
| 16:49.38 | shomon_ | so I'm installing xfce... |
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| 16:52.22 | anonnumberanon | shomon_, good choice |
| 16:52.23 | mar | what are you favorite programming fonts? ive been partial to inconsolata, but ive been meaning to try something new |
| 16:53.17 | shomon_ | thanks anonnumberanon :) |
| 16:53.19 | petern_ | Source Code Pro |
| 16:53.31 | shomon_ | do you know how to switch to it? I just installed it and it's goodies package |
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| 16:54.38 | petern_ | Unity? What OS is that? :p |
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| 16:54.58 | ted20 | How to set 12 hour format in ps, uptime? |
| 16:55.12 | shomon_ | yay! xfce just works!! |
| 16:55.17 | shomon_ | (tm) |
| 16:55.32 | dondelelcaro | ted20: pick a locale which uses am/pm by default |
| 16:55.41 | shomon_ | unity once again proves itself to be what it is... |
| 16:55.59 | mar | unity is such an overloaded name |
| 16:56.15 | shomon_ | it's caused a lot of division.. |
| 16:56.20 | mar | i know at least 3 different products and i wonder if theres more |
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| 16:56.42 | ted20 | dondelelcaro: Not really, I've which uses 12h format, and it doesn't work |
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| 16:57.10 | petern_ | And there's no Unity in Debian, so that's nice and simple. |
| 16:57.18 | dondelelcaro | ted20: assuming uptime et al. actually use '%X', which they may not use |
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| 16:58.31 | GreatiSlam | Who is the director here? |
| 16:58.38 | ted20 | dondelelcaro: It also doesn't work, i don't know why... |
| 16:58.55 | abrotman | GreatiSlam: Director of what? |
| 16:59.12 | shomon_ | this is an open source project. the director is probably the system used to maintain the code |
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| 16:59.46 | shomon_ | not a human being as such. welcome to the collective. come to the dark side etc... |
| 17:00.00 | GreatiSlam | Someone offended me A private chat |
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| 17:00.46 | GreatiSlam | His name skilz |
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| 17:01.40 | GreatiSlam | abrotman, |
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| 17:02.29 | abrotman | GreatiSlam: Please use /ignore .. I'm sure skilz is very sorry |
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| 17:04.22 | ted20 | abrotman: If anybody uses /ignore so, you're a pussy ;) |
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| 17:05.36 | abrotman | ted20: Please do that somewhere else. |
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| 17:06.18 | GreatiSlam | abrotman, skilz It's elemental |
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| 17:08.35 | dondelelcaro | GreatiSlam: we have nothing to do with what people send you in private messages. If you don't want them, use /ignore. |
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| 18:14.06 | lmat | When i apt-get install bash-completion, it says "The following packages will be REMOVED: git" |
| 18:14.23 | lmat | My git is from a PPA (to get a newer version). |
| 18:14.31 | lmat | Is there anything I can do to help them play nicely ? |
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| 18:15.41 | n3rV3 | apt_preferences? |
| 18:15.53 | lmat | n3rV3: Is that to me? |
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| 18:16.03 | n3rV3 | yes lmat |
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| 18:16.17 | lmat | n3rV3: What is apt-preferences ? (apt-preferences; command not found) |
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| 18:16.46 | lmat | apt-get install apt-preferences; Unable to locate package apt-preferences |
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| 18:17.53 | wols | lmat: /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
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| 18:18.24 | wols | lmat: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences but you don't want to do pinning |
| 18:18.34 | n3rV3 | lmat, man apt_preferences |
| 18:19.00 | lmat | thanks folks |
| 18:19.26 | lmat | So I can use files there to override this conflict ? |
| 18:19.45 | n3rV3 | lmat, the section for holding packages in this page might help, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction_to_Holding_Packages |
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| 18:20.12 | lmat | n3rV3: Do you agree with wols that I "don't want to do pinning" ? |
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| 18:21.04 | lmat | n3rV3: "This page does not exist yet" (did you typo?) |
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| 18:22.07 | lmat | doh, I typoed: PinningHowto, not PinningHowTo :( |
| 18:22.34 | lmat | n3rV3: Okay, you said holding packages, not pinning. I see that they're different. |
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| 18:25.04 | lmat | Okay, I "held" git, now it says "The following packages will be REMOVED: git ... The following held packages will be changed: git" |
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| 18:26.37 | lmat | Why would bash-complete be wanting to get rid of git ? Where might these conflicts be written down ? |
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| 18:30.28 | doublehp | how to execute a command when a given patern comes in a log ? (not syslog) |
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| 18:31.57 | axisys | so is there a name for this style of /etc/dir.d/.. ? |
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| 18:32.17 | axisys | I see /etc/sudeors.d/ /etc/sysctl.d/ and others |
| 18:32.31 | axisys | is is POSIX style or there is a different name for it? |
| 18:32.52 | axisys | I see debian uses it more than solaris and redhat |
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| 18:39.34 | doublehp | axisys: if you want to learn about "classics", look at any BSD; what's your question ? (I feel you asked your core concern a few seconds before I Arrived ) |
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| 18:46.47 | doublehp | axisys: ah ... I understand your question now. It's just called "UNIX style", but it has many variants: BSD, POSIX, Solaris; MacOS has it's own; Android also differs a bit. The global name of stuff is "naming sheme". Some GNU standards have been proposed; there also have been several proposed "registeries" (like Windows). |
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| 18:49.00 | doublehp | axisys: The issue is to choose between "everything is a file", and, the proliferation of variety with time. Registeries seem abandonned now; I mean, I don't know any large distro that uses a global system registery; so we stay on a file based hierarchy; but more and more distros (and apps) tend to use XML (even for shared conf files). |
| 18:49.29 | doublehp | axisys: some apps do use registery (Thunderbird and Firefox for example). |
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| 18:51.34 | doublehp | axisys: and with time, all distro evolve; Debian today is very different from the Debian I knew in 2000. For an older example, look at the history of the password file, and creation of shadow file; it's been done for security reasons; but it has many side effects. Handling those side effects was not trivial. |
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| 18:51.55 | doublehp | axisys: so, each naming sheme has historical reasons, and ... various technical explanations. |
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| 18:59.11 | BilboLaggins | Hi... is it possible to change to the unstable iceweasel on testing without having to install a bunch of package and turn jessie into testing? |
| 18:59.48 | bah_ | hi all, I run xubuntu but should really like to migrate to debian if possible. The problem is that ubuntu 14.04 seems to be the only distro with support for my hardware out of the box. My question is how much time it will take me to get debian running ? |
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| 19:01.07 | bah_ | ...or where to find success stories from other users with the same hardware? (macbook mid 2010) |
| 19:02.34 | zykotick9 | BilboLaggins: you might want to consult mozilla.debian.net and see if they have any suggestions. |
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| 19:07.22 | BilboLaggins | bah_: Maybe you can find some useful info here https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 19:07.33 | ctmjr | !ops the pornbot is back |
| 19:07.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ctmjr complains about: the pornbot is back |
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| 19:15.03 | shomon_ | to make sure this computer always gets the same IP address, do I need to do something at the computer's end? |
| 19:15.26 | bah_ | BilboLaggins, no my macbook is not listed, I find this http://www.skybert.net/debian/debian-on-macbook-pro-7.1/ but it is difficult to tell if the user got everything to work and also how this will work on new models |
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| 19:16.37 | bah_ | BilboLaggins, something I don't like in the linux community is that it is difficult to find info about what do not work : ) |
| 19:16.49 | mtn | shomon_: yes, you need to use static ip instead of dhcp. I set that in networkmanager |
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| 19:18.24 | bah_ | still, if something work in ubuntu how hard can it be to get it to work in debian ? are they using a different kernel ? |
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| 19:18.58 | TheQuestionmark | Well, Ubuntu bases on Debian Testing. |
| 19:19.26 | TheQuestionmark | Plus it uses some additional changes for the kernel done by Canonical... I think. |
| 19:19.47 | mtn | bah_: if it works in ubuntu, it should work in debian, but perhaps not out of the box. you might need a newer kernel, too. they are available from backports |
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| 19:21.15 | peterrooney | bah_: ubuntu does a whole lot of things differently; it's generally not possible to predict beforehand. |
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| 19:22.19 | TheQuestionmark | I dropped Ubuntu with the end of 10.10 which already cursed random freezes on at least my netbook. |
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| 19:22.45 | TheQuestionmark | Dunno what changes they did in the meantime exactly but those are many for sure. |
| 19:23.54 | bah_ | peterrooney, but is there a way to know without trying to install and trash my current installation ? from my experience live SD tends to work but then you then install you run into problems |
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| 19:24.16 | bah_ | *sd dvd |
| 19:24.18 | peterrooney | bah_: virtual machine |
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| 19:28.25 | cat_five | hi, i’m getting bitten by this bug when connecting to an old server from a new OS X install http://serverfault.com/questions/265244/ssh-client-problem-connection-reset-by-peer |
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| 19:28.39 | cat_five | however it works on an old install with the exact same ssh config |
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| 19:29.59 | cat_five | i really need to be able to connect to this server for work, and i don’t know what else i can try… in the past all i had to do was shorten the cipher list |
| 19:30.02 | chrisb | is kernel zfs being supported? it is not working in testing |
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| 19:30.30 | gregor2 | Would you install i386 or amd64 on a portable usb stick |
| 19:30.35 | gregor2 | ? |
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| 19:33.30 | chrisb | gregor2: for me, amd64 |
| 19:33.42 | mtn | gregor2: you do know that amd64 won't run on 32bit systems, right? |
| 19:33.55 | gregor2 | really not? |
| 19:34.13 | mtn | gregor2: really and truely |
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| 19:34.27 | gregor2 | and i386 will run on 64bit? |
| 19:34.46 | mtn | yes |
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| 19:35.22 | Mousey | wat |
| 19:35.26 | Mousey | oh, yes |
| 19:35.29 | gregor2 | oh, but windows 64bit is running on 32bbit syztems. |
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| 19:35.32 | Mousey | yes* |
| 19:35.48 | Mousey | wat? |
| 19:35.52 | Mousey | goes away |
| 19:35.54 | mtn | gregor2: linux in not windows, anyway |
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| 19:36.10 | mtn | in/is |
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| 19:36.42 | gregor2 | ok so are shure it wont run on 64bit? |
| 19:36.52 | gregor2 | i mdan |
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| 19:37.01 | mtn | gregor2: no, I am lying |
| 19:37.10 | cat_five | nobody? :’( |
| 19:37.12 | gregor2 | i mean on 32bit |
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| 19:37.22 | teraflops | gregor2: are you sure you are not trolling us? |
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| 19:39.18 | gregor2 | what is the difference |
| 19:39.33 | mtn | haha |
| 19:39.33 | gregor2 | between 64bit and 32bit? |
| 19:39.44 | ctmjr | 32 |
| 19:39.48 | mtn | gregor2: two words: google and wikipedia |
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| 19:45.45 | zykotick9 | mtn: two (updated) words: search and wikipedia ;) |
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| 19:46.07 | wols | the difference is obviously 32bit. hasn't anyone of you had math in school? |
| 19:46.26 | mtn | I thought the answer was 42 |
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| 19:48.40 | teraflops | im a poet why the hell should I know about maths ... |
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| 19:50.14 | wols | poets need to count their iambic pentameters |
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| 19:52.24 | Brigo | teraflops, that is what poets said, but maths are poetics :) |
| 19:53.39 | zykotick9 | perhaps this was a perception mistake on my part, BUT to restore a /bin/foo file, would it make sense that "aptitude reinstall foo" would NOT, while "apt-get install --reinstall foo" would? good thing i'm not a cat, as this is pure curiosity... issue is resolved. |
| 19:55.13 | Megaf | I wish that a real ARM PC exists and Debian support it |
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| 19:58.38 | jerng | hi all! does anybody know if (and how!) it is possible to remotely send a win7 client to sleep/suspend to ram? |
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| 19:59.40 | acu | can you install dual booting wheezy with windpws 8.1 |
| 19:59.56 | TheQuestionmark | Sure, why not? |
| 20:00.22 | NotJimCarrey | if i run an sdl app under framebuffer, it, i think, messes up my keymap. i have to kill the process, and then almost every key (including ctrl, alt, etc) just creates a diamond character |
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| 20:03.08 | NotJimCarrey | end up having to press power to halt & reboot, can't even change tty |
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| 20:03.43 | rohan | can i use some kind of checkpointing in apt? for example, i want to create a checkpoint before i install KDE, so i can rollback completely if need be |
| 20:03.58 | Brigo | NotJimCarrey, did you try the reset command? |
| 20:04.17 | NotJimCarrey | can't try any command |
| 20:04.41 | Brigo | may be you can write it despite you can see it. |
| 20:04.49 | NotJimCarrey | tried that |
| 20:05.04 | NotJimCarrey | enter key just makes another diamond |
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| 20:05.16 | zykotick9 | rohan: i'm certainly unaware of any "checkpoint" type feature, but if you use aptitude to install a single metapackage for all KDE, using aptitude to remove said metapackage should remove everything as well... |
| 20:05.42 | rohan | zykotick9: interesting, i was not aware of that feature |
| 20:05.49 | rohan | zykotick9: does apt-get also behave that way? |
| 20:05.54 | wols | yes |
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| 20:06.12 | zykotick9 | rohan: apt-get remove foo, followed by "apt-get autoremove" would probably do the same thing. |
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| 20:06.17 | zykotick9 | wols: in 2 steps... |
| 20:06.37 | rohan | zykotick9: neat, thanks |
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| 20:11.27 | zykotick9 | wols: i personally find apt-get willingness to remove a metapackage, while leave the system in a inconsistent state - by NOT removing everything else, annoying to say the least... |
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| 20:14.24 | googolhash | yeah you have to use autoremove |
| 20:14.37 | googolhash | I forget to do that myself at times |
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| 20:17.56 | zykotick9 | googolhash: it's not bad, when the user understands what's happening. but when a noobie, breaks of the say gnome-metapackages by removing something + one or more gnome metapackage --- then tries to install something down the road, and apt THEN wants to remove stuff... issues come up ;) |
| 20:19.42 | zykotick9 | s/breaks of the/breaks oh lets/ |
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| 20:27.32 | ch077179 | hello, how can obtain pdflatex? |
| 20:27.40 | ch077179 | I* |
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| 20:28.49 | bah_ | peterrooney, I lost my Internet connection earlier and just wanted to thank you for the suggestion to try debian using a virtual machine, a bit rude to just disappear : ) |
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| 20:30.24 | simpleuser_ | Hi there. I have a very very VERY strange problem. Before installing #!, I changed my partitions, and then Grub didn’t work anymore. No worries, I used Boot Repair Disk ( http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5745281#p5745281 ), a live CD made to just repair Grub. It worked. Then I launched an install of CB, and replaced my Xubuntu. But guess what… ? Now when I start, in my GRUB, I can choose between Windows and Ubunt |
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| 20:31.02 | simpleuser_ | If I choose Ubuntu, it launches the boot screen of Boot Repair Disk (which I never installed…) and freezes. I tried again to use that live CD to repair GRUB, but same odd thing.Any idea what I should do ? I’m a bit lost here. I don’t get anything of what’s happenning. |
| 20:31.22 | zykotick9 | !tell simpleuser_ about crunchbang |
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| 20:32.14 | ch077179 | I've installed texlive-base and -full but there's no command pdflatex. What else do I need? |
| 20:32.17 | simpleuser_ | I’m requesting help on #crunchbang and here because it’s debian based and I don’t think my problem is necessarely linked to crunchbang. |
| 20:32.41 | centrx | ch077179, on my system it's in: texlive-latex-base: /usr/bin/pdflatex |
| 20:32.42 | zykotick9 | !tell simpleuser_ about based on debian |
| 20:32.51 | ch077179 | thanks centrx |
| 20:33.09 | simpleuser_ | Ok… Thank you anyway zykotick9 |
| 20:33.30 | zykotick9 | simpleuser_: if you're not using debian, then you need to find the right channel. 'cause this isn't it. best of luck. |
| 20:33.52 | cybrNaut | simpleuser_: try #ubuntu.. they aren't as anal about brand loyalty |
| 20:34.30 | ch077179 | how would I search the packages though? |
| 20:34.37 | ch077179 | i.e. with apt-cache |
| 20:34.38 | cybrNaut | ch077179: apt-file |
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| 20:34.56 | ch077179 | don't have that |
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| 20:35.12 | simpleuser_ | cybrNaut: Thanks ;) |
| 20:35.13 | cybrNaut | ch077179: you need to install it.. it's not normally included |
| 20:35.14 | centrx | ch077179, Install apt-file or scroll to the bottom of packages.debian.org |
| 20:35.29 | zykotick9 | ch077179: i certainly ran "apt-cache search pdflatex" when you first arrived, but there where options... |
| 20:36.24 | ch077179 | zykotick9, apt-cache gives me texlive-latex-extra and a few others who seem unrelated.. |
| 20:36.33 | ch077179 | it's not really straight forward |
| 20:36.45 | zykotick9 | ch077179: sorry, i have no clue... don't use any of that myself. good luck. |
| 20:36.57 | ch077179 | the link centrx gave returns texlive-latex-base |
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| 20:37.17 | ch077179 | it'd be great to obtain the correct package on the command line though |
| 20:37.23 | ch077179 | sure, thanks anyway to both of you |
| 20:37.32 | centrx | apt-get install apt-file ... |
| 20:37.36 | ch077179 | :) |
| 20:37.38 | ch077179 | will do |
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| 20:37.56 | ch077179 | I just thought that functionality is part of the base installation |
| 20:38.42 | zykotick9 | ch077179: once something is installed, you can search what package something came from via path, but before install i believe apt-file is required |
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| 20:39.21 | poolson | anyone here had any experience setting up an ipsec server for ios clients to connect to? |
| 20:39.37 | poolson | i need some help ! |
| 20:39.44 | ch077179 | ok. I've never heard of it before. good to know |
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| 20:44.59 | waflessnet | hi |
| 20:45.20 | waflessnet | how-to chroot jail apache2 in whezzy ? |
| 20:45.26 | waflessnet | tutorial ? |
| 20:45.30 | waflessnet | please |
| 20:45.32 | waflessnet | :) |
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| 20:48.26 | PryMar56 | waflessnet, apt-get install apache2-doc;links2 -g http://localhost/manual -> search for mod_chroot |
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| 20:48.53 | waflessnet | PryMar56, Thanks |
| 20:49.03 | waflessnet | reading |
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| 20:49.45 | xeno__ | It appears the apt-get install of chef is just failing now on my late model debian install. |
| 20:50.25 | xeno__ | The Chef gurus counsel against it anyway. Is it going to be left broken, or taken out, as it is deprecated outside the debian crew anyway? |
| 20:50.38 | xeno__ | Here is my message: |
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| 20:51.02 | xeno__ | root@debvm3:/etc/chef# /etc/init.d/chef-client restart [FAIL] Restarting chef-client: chef-client failed! |
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| 20:51.42 | xeno__ | I cannot find a message in the logs on the workstation, nor on the server that tells me what the failure is. |
| 20:51.54 | xeno__ | At least not one marked as an "ERROR". |
| 20:52.01 | xeno__ | nor FATAL |
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| 20:53.05 | zykotick9 | PryMar56: fyi, you're directions didn't come lose to working on my box (no apache running for 1, no links2 for another - i use elinks). waflessnet the docs are in /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ btw. |
| 20:53.24 | LtL | xeno__: is it running when you issue a restart? maybe try stop or start and see what happens |
| 20:53.27 | waflessnet | PryMar56, it is secure ? , because i can see the /manual from external ip |
| 20:53.42 | waflessnet | zykotick9, ok |
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| 20:54.09 | waflessnet | http://mydomains/manual/ |
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| 20:54.35 | xeno__ | When I install on Debian with the Chef omnibus installer it succeeds. Near as I can tell, I am complying in parallel ways with the debian install needs,and it gets this. |
| 20:54.38 | xeno__ | I will try stop start. |
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| 20:55.22 | xeno__ | The stop succeeds with success. The start has a similar failure: |
| 20:55.23 | xeno__ | root@debvm3:/etc/chef# /etc/init.d/chef-client start [FAIL] Starting chef-client : chef-client failed! |
| 20:56.05 | xeno__ | So it really appears the debian installer is broken, and that really seems to correspond completely with the chef-fy folks deprecating it. |
| 20:56.36 | antonp | I just lost a session in debian jessie/gnome3. The login screen doesn't recognize that I'm already logged in so a new session gets started when I login. "uptime" says there are 3 users and "users" says my username is logged in twice together with "(unknown)". I don't really know how this works, but is there anyway to get back into the lost session? |
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| 20:58.20 | antonp | switch user doesn't help |
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| 20:58.48 | nath | antonp: could a reboot help? |
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| 20:59.51 | antonp | nath, yes it would probably help to get the system back to normal, but I'm wondering if there is a way to get back into the session with all the open applications etc |
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| 21:00.21 | antonp | or maybe they aren't open anymore |
| 21:00.37 | waflessnet | in documentation not found chroot or mod_chroot |
| 21:00.42 | waflessnet | o similar module |
| 21:00.44 | nath | antonp: have you been truin' to use another |
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| 21:00.48 | nath | tty |
| 21:00.52 | nath | ? |
| 21:01.02 | antonp | no I can try |
| 21:02.18 | DammitJim | is there an app for linux to use the appletv? |
| 21:02.24 | DammitJim | something like airparrot or something like that? |
| 21:02.36 | waflessnet | in wiki apache too not found xd |
| 21:02.37 | waflessnet | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=chroot&titlesearch=Titles |
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| 21:04.10 | antonp | nath, it doesn't help, just adds up to four active sessions. ps doesn't list the applications I had running earlier so I guess something killed them |
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| 21:04.34 | antonp | nath, I'll just restart :) |
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| 21:05.36 | nath | antonp: well it happened to me, I had a session running on a different tty when I pressed ctr+alt+F9 it was jus there, if it is normally on F7 (the GUI) |
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| 21:05.57 | nath | antonp: but I'm no dev, or expert, ;) |
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| 21:06.27 | antonp | nath, ah ok, I just tried logging into a random tty, tty3 or something |
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| 21:07.28 | nath | antonp: what I thought, was that it was maybe still open |
| 21:07.55 | nath | I'm really only gessing in this matter atm.... |
| 21:08.43 | antonp | nath: thanks for your suggestions. Didn't work this time though. going to F8 brings me to a new login screen. I'm on F7 now |
| 21:08.55 | antonp | no other ttys contain gui sessions |
| 21:09.34 | nath | donknow :-/ |
| 21:10.10 | antonp | doing a big package upgrade now before reboot. Nothing bad happened, didn't lose any data etc |
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| 21:14.14 | xeno__ | http://pastie.org/9194044 |
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| 21:17.58 | markit | I want to reinstall (I mean, "refresh" the already installed packages) all the packages. I have used dpkg --get-selections but the list is too big to pass directly to aptitude reinstall |
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| 21:18.23 | scshunt | markit: would it make more sense to use debsums to check the packages to see which need reinstalling first? |
| 21:18.30 | markit | how can I have aptitude reinstall read a file for instance (so I can redirect the --get-selections there) |
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| 21:19.18 | markit | scshunt: ehm, let's see what debsums do, thanks for the tip (in any case I would love to know how to solve my problem with too long list) |
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| 21:21.24 | scshunt | markit: it's a system restriction, program command lines can only be so long |
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| 21:23.30 | markit | scshunt: I know, that's why I ask how make aptitude take from a file, if there is an option that can do it |
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| 21:23.43 | markit | scshunt: do you know how to use debsums? I'm confused |
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| 21:24.29 | lucidau | hi, is there a client for cups on windows? |
| 21:24.34 | rom1504 | how can I distribute a .deb so that I can do sudo apt-get install myapp ? |
| 21:24.51 | markit | lucidau: can't you use the browser and port 631 ? |
| 21:24.53 | lucidau | rom1504: make a repo or submitti it somewhere |
| 21:25.12 | lucidau | markit: I want to print no dmin it |
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| 21:25.39 | markit | lucidau: so you have to search for "linux share printer with windows" or something like that I guess |
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| 21:26.06 | lucidau | markit: thats samba, I'd like to use cups directly |
| 21:26.42 | rom1504 | lucidau: where can I submit it ? what's good to make a repo ? |
| 21:27.05 | rom1504 | Reprepro ? |
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| 21:27.41 | markit | lucidau: cups is GNU/Linux print system, windows has a different one, I don't really understand your question... you can only make linux printer available to windows, not have windows change print core to cups I guess |
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| 21:28.37 | rom1504 | guess i might try https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro |
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| 21:29.33 | mutex | Hi, I'm trying to modify my xen pacakge but it cannot seem to find simple libraries with dh_shlibdeps: http://paste.org/72491 |
| 21:29.43 | mutex | not sure how to get dh_shlibs to look in the /usr/lib for the package |
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| 21:32.48 | n-st | i've submitted a bug to submit@bugs.debian.org will i get any notifications about it by default? where can i check the status of the report? |
| 21:32.53 | lucidau | markit: it is possible to create some glue code between cups and the windows print core whatever that is isn't it? |
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| 21:37.42 | markit | lucidau: do you want cups run on windows? if so, I think is something no one has done so far |
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| 21:39.09 | lucidau | markit: in that case how do you share the printer to a windows 8 client, becasue I only found ancient hwtos about this |
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| 21:40.50 | scottlilo2 | why does debian require you to define your domain when installing > |
| 21:40.54 | scottlilo2 | im new sorry |
| 21:41.23 | markit | lucidau: I think through samba, but never done |
| 21:42.13 | alteregoa | fuck |
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| 21:44.47 | silverdust | I've had some file folders on my external drive that I've been unable to delete |
| 21:45.01 | silverdust | I tried with GUI and shell but still fails |
| 21:45.14 | silverdust | shows 'directory not empty' |
| 21:45.27 | silverdust | I did a 'rm -R foldername' |
| 21:45.45 | silverdust | still failed even when I tried as root. Any suggestions? |
| 21:46.09 | silverdust | This started since I gave a Windows user my drive |
| 21:46.41 | silverdust | and I've not been able to delete those folders even on windows OS |
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| 21:54.53 | johnflux_ | If I use some GPLv3 software, but make some artwork, does that artwork also have to then be GPL'ed ? |
| 21:55.07 | johnflux_ | sorry, I mean modify the software to use that artwork |
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| 21:56.30 | babilen | johnflux_: ask #gnu, but yeah |
| 21:56.45 | johnflux_ | thanks |
| 21:56.58 | babilen | You have to make it available under a compatible license |
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| 22:01.11 | babilen | johnflux_: I guess it also depends on what those modifications are - never dealt with artwork though |
| 22:01.18 | Bewilled | Hello, is it possible to output where files are being saved during an apt-get installation? |
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| 22:01.35 | babilen | Bewilled: You mean downloaded packages? |
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| 22:01.55 | Bewilled | babilen, yes, from the debian repo |
| 22:02.03 | babilen | Bewilled: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 22:03.48 | Bewilled | babilen, what about the other files such as the ones saved in /var or /usr/bin |
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| 22:04.46 | babilen | Bewilled: Those are not the packages, but their content (which is why I asked) |
| 22:04.59 | deepblue | i copied the contents of the ntfs 160 GB /dev/sdb to the 2TB EXT4 /dev/sdc mounted at /home.but since then the system freezes so often and takes too long to respond.what went wrong? |
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| 22:05.29 | babilen | Bewilled: What are you trying to do? You cannot, generally speaking, show that information IIRC. Well, there might be some debug mode, but I haven't used that yet. |
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| 22:06.00 | xrq | does anyone know of a small raspberry-pi sized machine that supports debian but is faster than the pi? |
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| 22:08.54 | babilen | Bewilled: hmm? |
| 22:10.03 | Bewilled | babilen, there must be something I am missing then because I just downloaded (via apt-get) a program that depends on a config file. So where should I look for the location of that file? |
| 22:10.44 | babilen | Bewilled: "dpkg -L PACKAGENAME" shows the package content, but you cannot show that *during* the installation. |
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| 22:11.17 | Bewilled | babilen, nice |
| 22:11.46 | babilen | Bewilled: You might also want to take a look at "dpkg --status PACKAGENAME", but it depends on what you want to do. |
| 22:12.04 | Bewilled | babilen, that was exactly what I was looking for, thank you, you have saved me quit a long time :) |
| 22:12.10 | Bewilled | quite* |
| 22:12.56 | babilen | Bewilled: wonderful :) |
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| 22:14.13 | Bewilled | babilen, wait, what if it depends on a package that is saved on the debian repository? |
| 22:14.50 | cihhan | hi all! i cant sync time of my multiple machines using ntp. i have ntp installed and in my ntp.conf, im using these: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/us And I reboot the machines, but they all have different timings. |
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| 22:17.24 | musca | cihhan: does your ntp service silently exit with an error message in the log? |
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| 22:17.46 | cihhan | it seems to be running right now |
| 22:17.49 | cihhan | but let me check logs again |
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| 22:18.33 | cihhan | musca, cant find and error from ntp |
| 22:19.23 | cihhan | musca: i have such an error though: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/us |
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| 22:22.09 | cihhan | musca: any suggestions? |
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| 22:22.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a wps abaility for linux |
| 22:23.07 | markit | scshunt: reinstalling the packages listed by debsums did the trick, thanks a lot, good night |
| 22:23.34 | jiohdi_ | anyone know the biggest system hog that is not needed and removable? |
| 22:24.11 | Brigo | Xorg? |
| 22:25.49 | jiohdi_ | I think I need that part |
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| 22:28.46 | cihhan | Any suggestions on NTP? |
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| 22:30.45 | musca | cihhan: how much differ your clocks? |
| 22:31.14 | cihhan | about 7min |
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| 22:31.26 | bezaban | ntp needs to run over time to close on a time |
| 22:32.09 | bezaban | there is a flag to run ntpd like old ntpddate with an immediate sync, but 7 mins sounds like a lot |
| 22:32.11 | cihhan | i have been waiting for 15min and no change -- the diff is still the same |
| 22:32.34 | bezaban | are the machines guests/virtualized? |
| 22:32.54 | cihhan | virtual |
| 22:33.01 | cihhan | running on Xen |
| 22:33.13 | bezaban | time drift on vms is not an uncommon issue |
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| 22:33.41 | bezaban | but I am not an expert here |
| 22:34.07 | bezaban | 15 min does not sound like a big enough sample though |
| 22:34.42 | cihhan | bezaban, maybe im doing something wrong in my configurations? |
| 22:34.59 | cihhan | i have ntp installed and in my ntp.conf, im using these: http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/us And I reboot the machines. |
| 22:35.03 | musca | cihhan: on virtualized systems you usually sync with the host by the help of guest additions (or what ever the name is). |
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| 22:36.17 | cihhan | musca, thanks a lot, let me check that -- in fact even the timing is off on my host machine there... |
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| 22:39.22 | bezaban | cihhan: is this 'real' virtualization or Virtualbox or something? |
| 22:39.49 | bezaban | not saying it's worse, but software on software on software will cause more drift |
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| 22:41.07 | jhutchins | cihhan: Use ntpq -p to show the status of the local daemon. The standard ntp install without altering the configuration should do a hard sync on startup. |
| 22:41.44 | cihhan | i have found a solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254826/how-to-force-a-clock-update-using-ntp |
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| 22:41.47 | cihhan | and it worked fine |
| 22:41.51 | cihhan | now they are all synced |
| 22:42.32 | jhutchins | cihhan: All VMs had pretty bad problems with time ca. 2007, but by 2010 VMware had pretty well fixed the problem. I haven't worked with other virtualization hosts since then. |
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| 22:43.08 | tworkin | how can i get haskell 7.6 (sid's version) on wheezy? |
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| 22:44.41 | zeitsofa | tworkin: getting source and compile? |
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| 22:44.48 | tworkin | sigh fine :P |
| 22:45.07 | tworkin | how do i uninstall what that would conflict with tho -_- |
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| 22:46.54 | cihhan | jhutchins, thanks. however im using xen :/ |
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| 22:49.34 | zeitsofa | make uninstall maybe. I'm sorry but i think the both most given ways are: getting source and having fun with resolving the deps and install with checkinstall-package. Other hand, making inconsitend system with mixing the systems. |
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| 22:52.58 | zykotick9 | tworkin: is the package in question "haskell-platform" or something else? "/msg judd checkbackport haskell-platform" looks promising to <ssb> it... but i have no idea! |
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| 22:54.23 | tworkin | "Backporting package ghc in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, wheezy, virtual." |
| 22:54.42 | tworkin | "all build-dependencies satisfied" sounds promising but what to do with that info? |
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| 22:55.00 | zykotick9 | tworkin: see "/msg judd ssb" for details |
| 22:55.47 | tworkin | hm no response |
| 22:56.31 | zykotick9 | tworkin: nor here :( judd is awol i guess? sorry. |
| 22:56.58 | zykotick9 | doh! "/msd dpkg ssb" my bad. |
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| 23:02.34 | wood_quinn | For what reasons could my Debian machine in the other room MAGIKALLY not have the nl80211 module anymore, and "doesn't have" the wireless interface it had yesterday? |
| 23:02.51 | tworkin | zykotick9: nice thanks! |
| 23:04.21 | kcx842 | wood_quinn: did you upgrade the kernel? |
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| 23:04.51 | wood_quinn | kcx842: Possibly. I know I did an update yesterday or the day before, and rebooted today. |
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| 23:06.09 | hypfer | good evening, for whatever reason my font rendering is utterly broken and looks terrible. http://i.imgur.com/9Or1Xbv.png help! |
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| 23:14.04 | tworkin | if i want to install a sid package on wheezy i would add "sid-backports" to sources.list , not "wheezy-backports", correcT? |
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| 23:35.18 | hypfer | this is getting annoying and I have no idea what caused it |
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| 23:36.02 | civillian | solar flares |
| 23:36.46 | zykotick9 | civillian: bofh always has the right answer ;) |
| 23:38.13 | civillian | :) |
| 23:38.23 | hypfer | oh |
| 23:38.33 | hypfer | I had to delete the fontconfig cache |
| 23:38.37 | hypfer | because reasons |
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| 23:42.38 | Abuky | Hi , does anyone know where in the HDD file names are stored ? |
| 23:43.18 | wood_quinn | In the filesystem. Just like labels on drawers and folders in a filing cabinet. |
| 23:43.38 | FungiFox | i heard this shit on the local news this morning on the radio. ffs. http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/2014/05/20/maine-police-use-mountain-dew-end-standoff-with-suspect/Fb2HxCUShl5KkjDRqiRSnM/story.html |
| 23:43.47 | FungiFox | oops, not #defocus... sorry. |
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| 23:45.08 | zykotick9 | Abuky: not sure why you where asking that... but if this is a file-recovery question, the file names are lost... even if the file isn't. |
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| 23:48.52 | Abuky | wood im scanning my hdd with magicrescue and i found the text files (Qt Program source codeds) i just wanna recover also the dir and filenames. |
| 23:49.23 | wood_quinn | It's not as simple as "the information is located here" |
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| 23:49.30 | Abuky | zykotick9: why are filenames lost ? i remember recovering filenames+foldernames in windows |
| 23:49.31 | wood_quinn | What your tool can recover, you can recover. |
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| 23:50.17 | zykotick9 | Abuky: i'm just glad my crystal-ball was working for once ;) ya, the filename and folders are gone... you're lucking if you can get the files back. good luck. |
| 23:50.26 | Abuky | wood_quinn: the tools scans every part of the hdd, so i guess it's up to us to find the rest |
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| 23:53.30 | Abuky | zykotick9: it was a great experience to recover the files for which i spent about a week to code each :) |
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| 23:58.07 | bnnk | help needed, I forgot my root pass word is there a way to reset it? I have tried the " init=bin/sh" "mount -n -o - remount..." method and it says "password changes succesfully but the new pass never works |
