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| 00:00.17 | mtnman | bnnk what type of machine? |
| 00:00.26 | bnnk | debian wheezy |
| 00:00.33 | mtnman | hardware |
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| 00:00.43 | civillian | bnnk: are you umounting or using sync after password change? |
| 00:00.46 | zykotick9 | bnnk: i'd suggest trying the steps laid out in "/msg dpkg frp" very carefully, and noting any difficulties... |
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| 00:01.27 | Artemis3 | bnnk, did you type sync before reboot? |
| 00:01.35 | bnnk | yes |
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| 00:01.49 | bnnk | what is /msg dpkg frp |
| 00:02.12 | zykotick9 | bnnk: as an irc command, try it - no space before the /msg |
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| 00:03.40 | bnnk | do I type fsck during the process? that was never mentioned the way I did it |
| 00:04.50 | themill | bnnk: do you have a different keyboard layout (say US vs UK) for when you change your password compared to when you enter it? |
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| 00:05.44 | bnnk | I made the password simple enough |
| 00:06.01 | bnnk | I doubt it would affect it like that |
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| 00:06.19 | themill | ok |
| 00:06.45 | bnnk | I will try the method from dpkg |
| 00:06.51 | bnnk | will come back if it does not work ^^ |
| 00:06.52 | bnnk | ty |
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| 00:12.13 | BNNK | THANK YOU GUYS, DPKG WORKED great.... ^_^ you guys are awesome, SOVIET THUMBS UP FOR ALL |
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| 00:43.43 | simpleuser | My wifi on EEEPCÂ 1215N does not work out of the box. Wich page should I read about this prob ? |
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| 00:49.19 | themill | simpleuser: that wifi chip is supposed to work without you needing to do anything more. |
| 00:50.55 | zykotick9 | themill: are you aware for the wireless in that specific model? some of my later EEEs had non-free requiring wireless. |
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| 00:51.34 | themill | zykotick9: I was just going off the wiki entry which claims it's ath9k but yes, that was my next question |
| 00:51.53 | themill | simpleuser: can you show us the output of "lspci -nn | grep net"? |
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| 00:52.29 | simpleuser | themill: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet [1969:2062] (rev c1) |
| 00:52.32 | simpleuser | :) |
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| 00:54.05 | themill | ok, so different chip than claimed on the wiki, but still not requiring firmware |
| 00:54.21 | themill | err |
| 00:54.29 | themill | simpleuser: that's the wired connection not wireless |
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| 00:56.29 | zykotick9 | simpleuser: did the "lspci -nn | grep net" have another output? you might have to drop the "grep net" part... it might not be getting your wireless. |
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| 00:57.31 | themill | or make it "grep -i net" actually. I should have left that in there. |
| 00:57.33 | simpleuser | It was the only output. |
| 00:57.36 | simpleuser | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/67c3d185457b47e4a29c |
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| 00:58.07 | simpleuser | Right, with -i net I get 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) |
| 00:58.15 | zykotick9 | themill: unfortunatly, even -i net won't catch all the network devices :( would make life easier |
| 00:58.21 | themill | ! bcm4313 |
| 00:58.21 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
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| 00:59.04 | simpleuser | (works out of the box on all ubuntu based distros) |
| 00:59.16 | themill | I love all the hoops you get to jump through to find the right driver for the broadcom devices. |
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| 00:59.48 | themill | simpleuser: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:01.48 | simpleuser | Thanks themill |
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| 01:06.13 | simpleuser | themill: great, works now :) Thanks. Should I add something at startup or wl will automatically be loaded ? |
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| 01:06.55 | themill | the wiki page says that you will probably need to blacklist some modules to prevent other things grabbing the device although I'm not really sure how up-to-date some of that information is |
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| 01:08.32 | simpleuser | Ok |
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| 01:19.03 | abrotman | looks at themill |
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| 01:20.53 | pseubodot | aha! |
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| 01:29.08 | z8z | will wheezy ever upgrade gcc to 4.8 version? |
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| 01:29.33 | dondelelcaro | z8z: no |
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| 01:29.49 | z8z | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 01:29.52 | dondelelcaro | z8z: it's possible that it will end up in wheezy-backports, but that's it |
| 01:30.18 | themill | I don't think anyone's ever tried to put gcc into backports before though |
| 01:30.41 | dondelelcaro | themill: yeah, I can't remmeber that happening either |
| 01:31.23 | zykotick9 | z8z: be aware, wheezy will never get a new version of anything (well, almost...) see "/msg dpkg stable" for details |
| 01:31.43 | themill | Newer C++ standards are a bigger motivation this time than others, but I still can't imagine anyone actually doing it. |
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| 01:33.17 | z8z | themill: So next question will be when debian 8 will be issued :D |
| 01:33.24 | martianixor | hi |
| 01:33.27 | themill | dpkg: tell z8z about wwjr |
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| 01:35.06 | scottj | anyone noticed gtk3 apps displaying their own titlebar with close buttons and whatnot even in a tiling window manager where windows don't normally have those? I think it resulted from an upgrade of gtk but maybe I managed to tweak something incorrectly. |
| 01:35.52 | scottj | (it's not all gtk3 apps, and on some apps it only happens on dialogs) |
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| 01:44.52 | martianixor | hi |
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| 01:45.50 | martianixor | how can I know the default getcap/permissions for the ping binary ? |
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| 01:47.07 | scottj | found answer to my question: it is gtk 3.12, client side window decorations, fix https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1404973#p1404973 |
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| 01:50.17 | martianixor | I've reinstalled iputils-ping, what does this ""Setcap worked! Ping(6) is not suid!"" mean ? |
| 01:50.53 | martianixor | I mean why doesn't ping6 has suid set? is it normal? |
| 01:51.59 | rudi_s | martianixor: It means capabilities are used instead of setuid. |
| 01:52.36 | rudi_s | capabilities are good because they provide only limited access for a single application, but read this: http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2522 |
| 01:52.56 | martianixor | I've done ls -hl `which ping6` result was -rwxr-xr-x |
| 01:53.38 | martianixor | rudi_s: reading now, thanks ! |
| 01:53.43 | rudi_s | martianixor: Try /sbin/getcap /bin/ping |
| 01:53.46 | themill | yes, if you have capabilities enabled on your system, that is what should happen |
| 01:54.03 | themill | (the package's postinst script handles this) |
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| 01:54.20 | rudi_s | np |
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| 02:05.34 | Guest41379 | Hey I am having trouble picking the right kernel for my server. My server provides a custom kernel and I am looking to switch to a generic debian kernel but, I do not see one that is for "server"? |
| 02:05.36 | Guest41379 | Any help> |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | the right kernel ? |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | Debian only provides one |
| 02:06.19 | petemc | latest stable kernel is whats generally considered right for server |
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| 02:07.26 | Guest41379 | apt-cache search linux-image shows many different kernels |
| 02:07.31 | Guest41379 | I am confused as to which one I should use |
| 02:07.57 | themill | Guest41379: perhaps you could pastebin that output along with the output of "apt-cache policy" for us |
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| 02:08.49 | themill | (by the time you ignore the dbg (debug) packages and the rt (realtime kernel) packages, there shouldn't be much choice left. |
| 02:09.26 | Guest41379 | http://pastebin.com/hC33zWGn |
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| 02:09.56 | Guest41379 | I am following these directions: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?5616-Standard-Kernels-with-Ubuntu-Debian to give you a better idea of what is going on. |
| 02:10.12 | themill | ,i linux-image-686-pae |
| 02:10.15 | judd | Package linux-image-686-pae (kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Linux for modern PCs (meta-package). Version: 3.2+46; Size: 5.7k; Installed: 37k |
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| 02:10.25 | somiaj | Guest41379: why are you mixing squeeze and wheezy sources? |
| 02:10.39 | Guest41379 | It's probably a mistake on my part |
| 02:11.23 | Guest41379 | One that I can not fix? my sources.list only has wheezy sources in it |
| 02:12.02 | somiaj | check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ you may have extra stuff tehre Guest41379 |
| 02:12.17 | somiaj | but according to that paste you have both squeeze and wheezy sources, which makes me wonder if you are mixing packages. |
| 02:14.00 | Guest41379 | there was two in sources.list.d/ which were the squeeze ones |
| 02:14.05 | Guest41379 | I must have forgot about them |
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| 02:15.11 | somiaj | Guest41379: well make sure you aren' tmixing packages, as for the kernel, looks like you are running amd64 with multiarch, so just install the meta package linux-image-amd64 and it will pull in the right kernel. |
| 02:18.05 | Guest41379 | libgdu-gtk0 : Breaks: gnome-disk-utility (< 3.0.0) but 2.30.1-2 is to be installed |
| 02:18.12 | Guest41379 | Is the error I get when trying to install it |
| 02:18.42 | somiaj | Guest41379: most likely due to yoru mixed sources, you'll have to track down and fix these problems. you cuold try apt-get -f isntall |
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| 02:20.23 | themill | Guest41379: are you somewhere in the middle of a squeeze->wheezy upgrade here? |
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| 02:22.33 | martianixor | Guest41379: Were you trying to upgrade the system ? |
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| 02:32.32 | wigums | someone know of a url i can read up on installing compiz on wheezy? |
| 02:33.13 | centrx | wigums, compiz is old |
| 02:33.21 | wigums | whats new? |
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| 02:33.47 | centrx | I don't know, I barely even have a two-dimensional interface |
| 02:33.55 | wigums | lol right on |
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| 02:34.23 | centrx | wigums, There is an updated Ubuntu package of compiz, but it would probably be a big pain to convert it to Debian |
| 02:34.33 | centrx | wigums, I am sure there is a better option somewhere in Debian |
| 02:35.24 | wigums | well i can compile from source no problem...im a packager for vector linux.....i was just hoping to avoid it |
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| 02:36.22 | wigums | and long time slacker....compiling aint the issue....was just hoping there was an easy way, like you say |
| 02:37.40 | wigums | i got my hands on an HP elitebook 2540p with 4 core i7 so ive been playing with it quite abit |
| 02:37.58 | wigums | not super fancy but its friggin nice |
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| 02:44.29 | themill | wigums: just about every window manager can be a compositing wm these days and many of them have the same sort of effects as compiz |
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| 02:48.01 | wigums | yea, i guess really im just looking for the "compiz cube" |
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| 02:49.10 | ectospasm | I want to trigger the KDE screensaver from the command line, and I can't find what command to use. |
| 02:50.38 | somiaj | ectospasm: do you know the name of the package for the screensave by chance? |
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| 02:51.33 | themill | ectospasm: qdbus org.kde.krunner /ScreenSaver Lock |
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| 02:51.42 | ectospasm | No, I don't. I just want to use a command to lock my screen, it's so I can plug it into my xmonad.hs configuration. I know it's not xscreensaver, since that would have locked my screen. |
| 02:52.05 | somiaj | ectospasm: my thought woudln't have worked, I was just gonna suggest listing the name of the binaries in the package, but it is more integrated into the kde system. |
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| 02:53.06 | ectospasm | themill: thanks! |
| 02:53.33 | themill | (there will be a non-dbus way too, but that works) |
| 02:53.42 | isosceles | how to rip dvd? which application is most reliable? i will get into which is best later, but i need an application now to create an iso of my dvd now. thanks. |
| 02:54.04 | isosceles | in the debian repos that is |
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| 03:11.18 | diginet | how do I add the public key for the sid repo on debian so I don't get get apt complaining about it everytime I run apt? |
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| 03:12.22 | somiaj | diginet: install the debian keyring package? |
| 03:12.32 | somiaj | diginet: debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:13.26 | themill | diginet: you should already have that package though -- what release of debian are you running at the moment? |
| 03:13.48 | diginet | jessie |
| 03:14.09 | themill | the same key is used to sign both jessie and sid Release files |
| 03:14.17 | diginet | is it safe to add the sid repo to jessie though? I guess I should have asked that first lol |
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| 03:14.51 | Cpuroast | you can add it for 1 or 2 packages |
| 03:14.59 | Cpuroast | as sid and jessie are very similar |
| 03:15.01 | somiaj | diginet: at this time they are close enough were you can install a few things from sid while the majority of your system is jessie. But you have to pin else you will just upgrade fully to sid when you pugrade your system. |
| 03:15.09 | Cpuroast | but I wouldn't just upgrade everything |
| 03:15.16 | somiaj | diginet: as soon as jessie freezes this will no longer be the case. |
| 03:15.17 | diginet | gotcha |
| 03:15.27 | diginet | yeah I just need a few packages that are only in sid |
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| 03:15.55 | Cpuroast | if they are in sid, they'll land in jessie shortly |
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| 03:16.01 | Cpuroast | probably before the freeze |
| 03:16.01 | diginet | yeah |
| 03:16.10 | diginet | that's good, thanks |
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| 03:17.55 | somiaj | diginet: easit method, add sid sources, install the package you want, remove sid sources, apt-get update |
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| 03:18.15 | diginet | somiaj: will do |
| 03:18.17 | diginet | thanks guys |
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| 03:19.59 | NotJimCarrey | i'm getting this when trying to reinstall ndiswrapper " |
| 03:20.02 | NotJimCarrey | oops |
| 03:20.13 | NotJimCarrey | "Multiple copies of version.h found, please clean your build tree. Stop" |
| 03:20.43 | NotJimCarrey | do i just rm this directory? /var/lib/dkms/ndiswrapper/1.59/build/ |
| 03:24.11 | ctmjr | see if there is a "make clean" in the build directory |
| 03:25.22 | NotJimCarrey | yeah, but "Makefile:37: *** Multiple copies of version.h found, please clean your build tree. Stop." |
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| 03:25.44 | republican_devil | boy I switched to freebsd and i am a happy guy |
| 03:25.46 | republican_devil | woo wee |
| 03:25.49 | ctmjr | in other words the directory you ran make run make clean |
| 03:26.00 | NotJimCarrey | i did, and it gave that error |
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| 03:35.57 | ctmjr | try "make uninstall" looking at the makefile that should remove everything related to it |
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| 03:40.40 | NotJimCarrey | rebooting to different kernel, think i found the issue |
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| 03:44.58 | isosceles | K3b and some windows apps failed to rip this DVD of my fiend's DEAD MOTHER's memorial video. Can anyone help? Is there a ripper that can make ISO of the shoddiest DVDs? |
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| 03:46.08 | monkwitdafunk | Are you into debian derivatives? |
| 03:46.40 | somiaj | they are off-topic here |
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| 03:48.22 | monkwitdafunk | Isosceles, do you use any compatability layers? |
| 03:49.12 | isosceles | monkwitdafunk: not that i know of, but I don't know what they are. |
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| 03:49.37 | monkwitdafunk | Ok |
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| 03:50.29 | isosceles | monkwitdafunk: does that mean i should know what a compatibility layer is before proceeing with the IRC route? link please? IO |
| 03:50.31 | somiaj | isosceles: what kinda of dvd is it? Standard dvd that plays in dvd players, vobcopy can copy movie dvd's then you can rip them to other formats, |
| 03:50.41 | monkwitdafunk | What you can use is choose a iso readable to gnu linux |
| 03:51.19 | isosceles | monkwitdafunk: is my dvd probably not readable to gnu linux? |
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| 03:52.02 | isosceles | somiaj: i don' |
| 03:52.04 | monkwitdafunk | When the lifespan on a iso9660 fi |
| 03:52.10 | isosceles | t have a dvd player |
| 03:52.42 | monkwitdafunk | Filesystem begins, it may be only readable on the platform created on in my experience |
| 03:52.51 | isosceles | how do i find out what sort of dvd is from my computer. obviously i sound like a novice idiot |
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| 03:53.49 | isosceles | my friend told me it played in their dvd player |
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| 03:54.19 | isosceles | i thought i would use a standard debian-based ripper, then burn to dvd with xburn or other |
| 03:54.59 | monkwitdafunk | Anything as good as the div x product line maybe |
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| 03:56.20 | isosceles | monkwitdafunk: what's the app should try? |
| 03:56.28 | monkwitdafunk | I use brasero disk burner |
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| 03:59.08 | monkwitdafunk | How do you plan on building your iso9660 filesystem? |
| 03:59.22 | monkwitdafunk | just dvd/television |
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| 03:59.26 | monkwitdafunk | ? |
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| 04:04.02 | isosceles | monkwitdafunk: tried brasero, it does not recognize the dvd which plays in my friend's dvd player. in the past, i know nothing of iso9660 filesystems, although i'm all ears |
| 04:04.13 | somiaj | isosceles: well you could use a video app such as xine (see if it plays it like a dvd). You could try to mount the file system if there are just mpges on it you can copy off. |
| 04:04.42 | somiaj | it might just be a file system with mpg4's on it and your frieds dvd player is smart enough to play them |
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| 04:05.56 | isosceles | somiaj: vlc plays it like an DVD |
| 04:06.30 | somiaj | isosceles: well you could try vobcopy and that should copy teh vobs onto your hd, may players can play those, or you can convert them |
| 04:06.57 | isosceles | which app to make vobcopy? |
| 04:07.13 | somiaj | that is the name of the package and app, its a cli tool |
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| 04:07.25 | isosceles | i'll try that |
| 04:07.59 | nicko88 | does anyone know much about smartctl? I'm using it on my debian box, but i'm having a problem where the daemon is emailing me every night about how it cant find hard drives that I have removed from my system. I can't figure out how to get smartctl to stop looking for them. |
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| 04:08.52 | wigums | isosceles, have you tried k9copy, handbrake, acidrip, thoggen, ????? |
| 04:09.42 | isosceles | wigums: handbrake is not in my repositories, acidrip failed, i will try thoggen if vobcopy fails |
| 04:10.38 | somiaj | nicko88: I've only messed with systemd a little bit, but you can list all the services registered and remove the ones that relate to your removed hdds |
| 04:11.53 | somiaj | nicko88: sorry I was thinking systemctl. :( |
| 04:11.57 | nicko88 | Well I like smartctl, it's daemon is supposed to warn me when s.m.a.r.t. events and attributed change, but it keeps telling me it cant find drives that i have removed. I'd like ot keep it on to continue watching the drives i do have connected |
| 04:12.04 | nicko88 | oh |
| 04:12.40 | somiaj | nicko88: have you checked the config file /etc/smartd.conf or maybe /etc/smartd.conf.d/ for config snippits |
| 04:12.43 | nicko88 | I'm using DEVICESCAN, so it's supposed to automatically find the drives in my system to monitor |
| 04:13.11 | nicko88 | yeah there is one uncommented line in the conf and that's the DEVICESCAN option that enable it |
| 04:13.34 | isosceles | wigums: thoggen not in repositories. is there not a reliable dvd ripper in the debian repositoeries? |
| 04:14.14 | isosceles | could there be something wrong with my installation, and if so how do i investigate? |
| 04:14.50 | isosceles | everything fuctions well |
| 04:15.00 | wigums | isosceles, i dont know, im new to debian...im used to compiling everything on my own |
| 04:15.02 | isosceles | can't make iso of this dvd |
| 04:15.13 | wigums | im old school slackware user |
| 04:15.15 | isosceles | wigums: thanks anyway |
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| 04:15.36 | isosceles | wigums: i'm probably in the wron place |
| 04:15.49 | centrx | isosceles, I always used cdrecord/wodim |
| 04:16.02 | somiaj | nicko88: well i"m looking at the smartctl manpage, does 'smartctl --scan' return the hdd's that you removed? |
| 04:17.00 | nicko88 | somiaj, no just the currently connected disks |
| 04:17.05 | somiaj | centrx: he has some custom made dvd, vlc plays it but he can't get the data off. |
| 04:17.22 | somiaj | nicko88: so my guess is it is not the scan option so there must be a config file somewhere that has your old drives listed. |
| 04:17.29 | somiaj | nicko88: have you restarted the daemon? |
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| 04:17.43 | nicko88 | yeah and ive restartd teh server itself a few times since removing them |
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| 04:17.57 | centrx | isosceles, nevermind, that's only for writing |
| 04:18.05 | somiaj | isosceles: did vobcopy not work? Wonder what format it is using. |
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| 04:18.27 | nicko88 | yeah i have this line in my /etc/smartd.conf "DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m myemail@gmail.com -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner" |
| 04:18.39 | somiaj | nicko88: well I'd check though the config files, maybe there is a config file directory that has the old drives saved. |
| 04:18.52 | isosceles | somiaj: too busy chatting etc, let me try that now |
| 04:18.53 | nicko88 | yeah ill keep looking |
| 04:19.46 | somiaj | nicko88: yea that command is just running smartctl --scan [options] not sure where it would keep a cache of old drives though |
| 04:20.05 | nicko88 | right i havent found a cache yet |
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| 04:21.31 | Rusty1 | perhaps purigng andi reinstalling it would clear things up |
| 04:21.55 | isosceles | somiaj: mount point /cdrom does not exist |
| 04:22.01 | nicko88 | thats not a bad idea |
| 04:22.45 | isosceles | somiaj: dvd is not mounted, yet i can play it with vlc... i am lost |
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| 04:24.39 | isosceles | i can't use vobcopy or presumably any other app to rip if dvd is not mounted |
| 04:24.51 | isosceles | yet i can play the dvd with vlc |
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| 04:26.23 | nicko88 | ill try purging and reinstalling smartctl thanks for the suggestion |
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| 04:47.25 | rubin110 | Anyone have opinions on duply vs backupninja? |
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| 04:47.45 | rubin110 | Or was that a Death Star versus Borg Cube question? |
| 04:48.23 | dondelelcaro | obnam? |
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| 04:48.48 | themill | I was about to say that all the beards seem to be heading to obnam these days |
| 04:49.13 | wigums | obnam? |
| 04:49.19 | themill | ,i obnam |
| 04:49.21 | judd | Package obnam (python, optional) in wheezy/i386: online and disk-based backup application. Version: 1.1-1.1; Size: 94.4k; Installed: 506k; Homepage: http://braawi.org/obnam/ |
| 04:49.48 | themill | suspects that URL isn't exactly right |
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| 04:49.59 | wigums | im a stoopit slacker, i compile my own shit....im not used to all this |
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| 04:50.33 | rubin110 | http://obnam.org/ |
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| 04:50.36 | rubin110 | I suppose. |
| 04:50.37 | rubin110 | Reading now. |
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| 04:53.21 | themill | rubin110: you can always compare popcon data for the packages to see which ones are more widely used. /msg judd popcon $package |
| 04:53.27 | rubin110 | "A single repository may contain backupsfrom several clients.Their data will intermingle as if they were using separate repositories, but if one client backs up a file, the others may re-use the data." |
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| 04:53.32 | rubin110 | Waaaattt. |
| 04:53.46 | not^v | robcsi, you here? |
| 04:53.55 | not^v | im going to ping you constantly until you answer |
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| 04:54.51 | not^v | slaps robcsi |
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| 04:56.25 | themill | not^v: it sounds like you're looking for /query. |
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| 04:58.31 | themill | rubin110: it's about deduplication of the backup, not about giving away secrets. |
| 04:59.07 | rubin110 | I get it, it's just my mind is boggled, how does that work with crypto. |
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| 05:04.06 | rubin110 | It doesn't seem like obnam has any functionality around limiting how much volume space it uses and doing house keeping when it does hit the limit by deleting older revisions. |
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| 05:04.11 | rubin110 | Unless I'm mistaken? |
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| 05:09.44 | republican_devil | obama? |
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| 05:38.27 | We\\ | In debian standard edition do I have to install python or is it preinstalled |
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| 05:39.39 | themill | We\\: python is part of the "standard" install. |
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| 05:40.16 | engblom | A municipality has been sharing out 100 laptops with wheezy... All of them seem to trigger a bug in gdm3 (+ xfce as default and only desktop). If you press cancel, you are locked out from logging in. The only way a user can log in is to reboot. |
| 05:40.22 | We\\ | okay, thank you |
| 05:40.48 | engblom | Is there any known workaround? I have tried to google about this but found nothing. |
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| 05:45.55 | civillian | lol.. /dev/sda3 has gone 1687 days without being checked, check forced |
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| 05:53.32 | justanotheruser | After I mount and copy over the contents of an old harddrive containing a LUKS encrypted debian, how do I extract the contents? |
| 05:53.52 | abrotman | you mean you copied a drive image? |
| 05:54.01 | justanotheruser | abrotman: does that look like init... |
| 05:54.20 | abrotman | blinks |
| 05:54.32 | justanotheruser | andrew@debian:~$ ls /media/usb0 |
| 05:54.33 | justanotheruser | config-3.2.0-4-amd64 grub initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 lost+found System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64 vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 05:54.47 | abrotman | that looks like /boot/ |
| 05:55.12 | abrotman | Congrats, you've rescued the long lost kernels |
| 05:55.31 | babilen | heh |
| 05:55.38 | justanotheruser | abrotman: is that snark for it is old? |
| 05:56.01 | abrotman | No, it's snark for "Is that really what you were trying to rescue?" |
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| 05:56.10 | babilen | justanotheruser: No, it probably means that it is not the data you were after as you can easily get hold of those files by other means |
| 05:56.33 | justanotheruser | abrotman: oh. How do I determine what in /dev I should mount? |
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| 06:02.33 | justanotheruser | abrotman: andrew@debian:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdc5 /media/test1/ |
| 06:02.33 | justanotheruser | mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS' |
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| 06:02.41 | justanotheruser | Sounds like the right thing. How do I mount it? |
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| 06:09.27 | jelly-home | justanotheruser: you'll have to start the encryption layer first, cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc5 somenamehere |
| 06:09.59 | justanotheruser | somenamehere? |
| 06:10.53 | jelly-home | yes, the name for the cleartext mapping is arbitrary |
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| 06:12.31 | jelly-home | justanotheruser: after it's started, use /dev/mapper/somenamehere as the device to mount |
| 06:12.48 | justanotheruser | reads cryptsetup man pages |
| 06:12.49 | justanotheruser | jelly-home: is somenamehere the name of the directory I mount it in? |
| 06:13.08 | jelly-home | no, it's name of the device that will be created |
| 06:13.21 | justanotheruser | jelly-home: okay, thanks. |
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| 06:43.58 | jaggz- | how can I do a google search from commandline? (not in a UI) |
| 06:44.45 | abrotman | use a text based browser |
| 06:45.06 | abrotman | jaggz-: Won't it return HTML if you send it a query using wget/curl ? |
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| 06:45.59 | jaggz- | it doesn't seem to work.. |
| 06:46.08 | abrotman | which doesn't seem to work? |
| 06:46.20 | jaggz- | if I hit google.com/?q=hello even with my browser, it requires me to re-submit that |
| 06:46.22 | themill | (you could push the return data into an xslt to get the result out of it...) |
| 06:47.01 | themill | jaggz-: that's because your URL is wrong |
| 06:47.48 | jaggz- | hmm... well I did https://www.google.com/?q=hello |
| 06:47.54 | abrotman | also, probably use #google instead of #debian |
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| 06:48.22 | themill | jaggz-: you don't get to just make up URLs and have them work on someone else's server. That's not the right URL for a search result. |
| 06:48.30 | Sinny | Hello everyone, I have this problem and I am not the most familliar with linux. However I hope I am not _that_ annoying. The question is as follows: I just installed debian jessie and now I'm having a hard time finding repos which includes my often-used programs. Previously I used wheezy and everything seemed fine there. What must I do to get the equivialent jessie repos? Thanks in advance. |
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| 06:48.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sinny about jessie sources.list |
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| 06:49.38 | Samouy | hi , i just done upgrade of my debian system and now i can't change brightness anymore on my computer . The kernel has been updated to 3.14-1 this morning . Is somebody could help me? |
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| 06:53.01 | wigums | Samouy, did you try sudo apt-get install slackware ? |
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| 06:54.02 | Samouy | wigums, mmmh ... no :-) |
| 06:54.36 | wigums | might give that a try |
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| 06:54.52 | wigums | could fix all your problems |
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| 06:55.02 | themill | unhelpful much? |
| 06:55.19 | wigums | i give what i get |
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| 06:56.40 | abrotman | Samouy: what sort of laptop? Some can use a supplementary program to alter that backlight |
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| 06:57.13 | themill | Samouy: poking around in /sys/devices/*/*/backlight/ can sometimes show that device names have changed |
| 06:57.52 | Samouy | abrotman, i run on Dell Latitude D830 |
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| 06:58.30 | Samouy | themill, i have this in /sys/devices/.../backlight |
| 06:58.31 | Samouy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 mai 21 08:51 dell_backlight -> ../../devices/platform/dell-laptop/backlight/dell_backlight |
| 06:58.31 | Samouy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 mai 21 08:51 intel_backlight -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-LVDS-1/intel_backlight |
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| 07:00.08 | Sinny | abrotman: Thanks a lot! Saved me a lot of time. Cheers |
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| 07:03.46 | Samouy | my eyes hurts *_* |
| 07:04.18 | abrotman | Those are asterisks |
| 07:05.30 | Samouy | i found something on forum : add in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ the file 20-intel.conf |
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| 07:13.39 | Samouy | abrotman, seems on MATE desktop that a soft can change the backlight but it's not working too |
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| 07:14.23 | abrotman | Samouy: I wouldn't touch MATE with a 10ft pole .. Couldn't tell you. As themill mentioned, they sometimes fiddle with those interfaces. MATE may need to catch up |
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| 07:21.51 | Samouy | Problem solved |
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| 07:24.31 | milligan | I have a user that has a bash script set as his login shell. The bash script starts an instance of dialog and "jails" the user in there. This works perfectly. Is there any way I can force the user into the same dialog from GDM as well? I pretty much don't want the user to be able to log in to the GUI. |
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| 08:11.43 | woffs | milligan: try to mess with his ~/.xsessionrc? |
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| 08:21.58 | wrksx | Hi all |
| 08:23.05 | wrksx | I'm looking at /etc/cron.d and it looks like this directory allows to define the user that should run the task. Can someone confirm ? |
| 08:24.02 | wrksx | I meant it allows to defines tasks to run by a specific user |
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| 08:25.50 | Iridos | I can confirm that it looks like this |
| 08:25.51 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 08:26.41 | wrksx | Iridos: I would have smiled in the case I had enought sleep |
| 08:26.51 | wrksx | but i didn't sleep well. |
| 08:27.49 | woffs | wrksx: man 5 crontab | fgrep cron.d. |
| 08:28.07 | Iridos | well, I'm serious... what do we know. but "man 5 crontab" should shed some light on it |
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| 08:28.54 | Iridos | it's at the end at "EXAMPLE SYSTEM CRON FILE" |
| 08:29.00 | wrksx | sure it will thanks |
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| 08:30.21 | wrksx | Haha the man page just states that "These files also have username fields, that none of other the crontabs do" |
| 08:30.35 | wrksx | that's the exact thing I thought when reading the files |
| 08:31.03 | wrksx | and it doesn't say *explicitly* that the given user will run the task ! Or am I blind now ? |
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| 08:31.47 | Iridos | well no, but maybe because that's the obvious thing to use a "user" field for :) |
| 08:31.54 | wrksx | yeah |
| 08:32.15 | wrksx | I have a very bad time trying to setup sphinxsearch correctly |
| 08:33.06 | wrksx | What I'd love is to be able to rotate indices with different users |
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| 08:33.28 | Iridos | does it ask riddles during setup? |
| 08:33.36 | Iridos | nah, strike that.. |
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| 08:34.27 | wrksx | Iridos: seems like you had a nice and long sleep that nite |
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| 08:36.39 | wrksx | Sphinx uses /var/run/searchd.pid and that pid file is owned by root:root -rw--------- |
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| 08:38.12 | wrksx | when trying to rotate indices the indexer says WARNING: failed to open pid_file '/var/run/searchd.pid'. It is pretty clear the user trying to rotate the indices lack read access to the pid file |
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| 08:38.32 | wrksx | soes that sound like a common issue ? |
| 08:38.37 | wrksx | soes/does |
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| 08:46.19 | deepblue | 'Failure ata4: SRST failed (errno=-16)'how to fix this? |
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| 08:55.06 | fishcooker | i have debian box with 2 interfaces wlan0(primary internet)+eth0 .. i have another box with eth0(only).. i will do net-install thing on second box .. how to enable internet on the second box via debian eth0? |
| 08:57.03 | Galvik | you should enable routing on 1st box, and then give correct IP addresses to eth0 interfaces (or you can use DHCP server) |
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| 08:57.25 | Galvik | you should also configure iptables to do NAT |
| 08:57.31 | fishcooker | what kind of routing on the first box? |
| 08:57.47 | Galvik | fishcooker, are you using NetworkManager on first box? |
| 08:57.53 | fishcooker | nope |
| 08:58.43 | fishcooker | should i try this "http://serverfault.com/questions/152363/bridging-wlan0-to-eth0"? |
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| 08:59.54 | Galvik | fishcooker, you can try to bridge that interfaces, but in my experience WiFi modules sometimes fails when added a bridge |
| 08:59.55 | sep | fishcooker, you can only bridge if your wireless network supports wds |
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| 09:00.33 | Galvik | fishcooker, better http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
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| 09:01.14 | sep | fishcooker, i'd rather just use box1 as a router. personally i allways use shorewall instead of mucking about with ip tables manually it's apt-get shorewall and edit a few text files. http://shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
| 09:01.57 | sep | Galvik, 's url up there is easy tho as long as it's not going to be a permanent installation |
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| 09:02.46 | Galvik | sep, fishcooker just need to net-install |
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| 09:03.27 | Galvik | fishcooker, do you need a permanent solution? |
| 09:04.18 | fishcooker | on this moment i just need a net install, Galvik |
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| 09:05.36 | Galvik | fishcooker, both (raw iptables and shorewall) are ok |
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| 09:06.03 | fishcooker | Galvik, is that mean that eth1 will be wlan0 on my case? |
| 09:06.24 | fishcooker | #on the above url i mean |
| 09:06.57 | Galvik | fishcooker, no, eth0 is the exit interface on that example |
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| 09:07.14 | Galvik | fishcooker, so eth0 => wlan0 and eth1 => eth0 |
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| 09:07.40 | Galvik | fishcooker, then you need to assign a static IP to eth0 |
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| 09:17.03 | fishcooker | should i install isc-dhcp* server on the debian box, Galvik? |
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| 09:18.31 | Galvik | fishcooker, you can also use static IP addresses |
| 09:19.28 | Galvik | just give an IP and subnet mask to eth0 on the "router" box, and another IP (in the same network) and same subnet-mask when you are in netinstall |
| 09:19.40 | Galvik | then use DNS from your ISP (or google DNS) |
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| 09:45.46 | Sbroker` | greetings |
| 09:45.50 | Sbroker` | one question |
| 09:46.03 | Sbroker` | it woull be possible to make a virtual machine with vmware in a intermedum partition and use this machinne with linux and windows ? |
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| 09:46.30 | Sbroker` | I want to make a virtual machine with vmware |
| 09:46.41 | jelly | Sbroker`: how is this a Debian question exactly? |
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| 09:47.06 | Sbroker` | and to install a vmware in debian and linux |
| 09:47.36 | Sbroker` | nd use this virtual machine from debian or windows in a intermedium partition |
| 09:48.10 | Sbroker` | *debian and windows |
| 09:48.12 | Sbroker` | sorry |
| 09:49.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sbroker` about vmware |
| 09:50.02 | Galvik | Sbroker`, you should ask to someone who's expert on vmware. Anyway, from debian perspective, you can mount a partition with NTFS if you need to share it with windows |
| 09:50.24 | Sbroker` | well its an example... |
| 09:50.30 | Sbroker` | i can use virtualbox |
| 09:50.37 | babilen | No, it's not an example it if your actual question |
| 09:50.39 | Sbroker` | not necesary vmware |
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| 09:50.42 | babilen | *is |
| 09:50.45 | Sbroker` | well |
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| 09:50.52 | Sbroker` | change vmware by virtualbox |
| 09:51.05 | Sbroker` | the question is the same... |
| 09:51.32 | babilen | Sbroker`: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders |
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| 09:53.44 | Sbroker` | I had read it, but I dont see my question anywhere in this page,.. |
| 09:54.29 | babilen | Sbroker`: Shared folders in virtualbox allow you to share data between the host and the guest in an easy way. |
| 09:54.40 | petn-randall | Sbroker`: It's just an example! ;P |
| 09:55.25 | Sbroker` | not shared forlder... virtual system shared by two diferents OS |
| 09:55.53 | Sbroker` | the same virtual machinne in a intermedium partition |
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| 09:56.20 | Galvik | Sbroker` wants to share VMs between host ("real") OSes |
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| 09:56.55 | Sbroker` | I want to make one virtual machine with virtualbox for example |
| 09:57.23 | Sbroker` | from Debian or from windows and in a intermedium partition |
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| 09:57.49 | Sbroker` | and use this virtual machine from Debian or Windows |
| 09:57.57 | Sbroker` | without diference |
| 09:58.22 | Galvik | Sbroker`, just create a partition with NTFS and mount it from debian. Then use the virtualization software that you like, you should only make sure that VMware/VirtualBox/whatever supports your scenario |
| 09:58.30 | bhuddah | what? |
| 09:58.48 | bhuddah | just store the vm container somewhere you have access. (on a nas) and be done with it. |
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| 09:58.54 | tix | hi |
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| 10:00.23 | Sbroker` | bhuddah: this is my dude Wmware or virutalbox open virtual machines without diference of the OS wich are created?? |
| 10:01.23 | bhuddah | Sbroker`: use virtualbox. it's a good solution. and yes, it should work on different OSs on the same vm-container |
| 10:01.35 | Sbroker` | thank |
| 10:01.45 | bhuddah | good luck. |
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| 10:02.19 | Kingsy | I installed the proprietry drivers using nvidia-kernel-dkms.. but I am having problems with them.. how would I go about rolling back to opensource drivers? |
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| 10:05.18 | towo` | Kingsy, remove all nvidia related packages and xorg.conf |
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| 10:08.58 | Kingsy | towo`: specifically which commands would you use? I installed with nvidia-detect --> apt-get nvidia-kernel-dkms --> nvidia-xconfig |
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| 10:09.07 | Kingsy | those installed |
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| 10:10.03 | Kingsy | do I just don't want to remove like --> apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-dkms <-- then rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- reboot and find nothing works :) |
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| 10:14.14 | Kingsy | the reason I say that is when you install these drives the opensource ones are blacklisted right? |
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| 10:15.34 | Brigo | kingsley, did you have installed nouveau xorg driver? |
| 10:15.50 | Reelax | Hi, i just installed debian from latest ISO, i did update and upgrade but nothing new was installed, bugs like heartbleed was after the ISO's date. isn't it ? |
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| 10:16.38 | Reelax | btw it's Debian Wheezy 7.5 |
| 10:16.53 | Kingsy | Brigo: afaik its not installed.. I literally just installed debian, then I executed the above commands to install the proprietry drivers. |
| 10:17.04 | Brigo | Reelax, yes, it is. |
| 10:17.22 | Brigo | so install it: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 10:17.47 | Kingsy | Brigo: and by installing that will it uninstall the proprietry ones? |
| 10:17.55 | Kingsy | Brigo: do I need to remove the xorg.conf ? |
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| 10:19.21 | Brigo | Kingsy, no, you can get both installed if you want. I am not sure about xorg.conf. |
| 10:19.45 | Brigo | try to rename it xorg.conf.back, install nouveau and then try. |
| 10:19.53 | Brigo | you do not need to reboot. |
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| 10:21.12 | Kingsy | Brigo: really? alright, so rename the xorg.conf install nouveau and it will just flip seemlessly? whenever I have installed these drivers it always asks me to reboot |
| 10:22.38 | Brigo | well you can reboot (the easy way) but you can remove the nvidia kernel driver (modprobe -r nvidia) load the nouveau driver (modprobe nouveau) and start xorg. |
| 10:22.51 | Reelax | Brigo: here is my sources file. is there a problem with it that it's not updating ? http://paste.kde.org/plrrsakbo |
| 10:22.54 | Kingsy | ah I will just reboot.. its easier |
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| 10:23.13 | Kingsy | Brigo: thanks.. I will try this in an hour or so, cant right now the computer is in use. |
| 10:23.23 | Brigo | Reelax, 7.5 is up to date, it do not need update at all. |
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| 10:23.34 | wfq | hi guys |
| 10:23.40 | Brigo | Kingsy, ok, good luck, then :) |
| 10:23.47 | Kingsy | thanks for the info |
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| 10:25.01 | wfq | Long time I have not touched anything about firewalls but I need now to have a round on the iptables. Is there any sort of wrapper/tool that makes it "easier" nowadays? I mean it is not rocket science, just wondering whether there is any tool that is being used by people these days |
| 10:25.04 | Brigo | Reelax, wheezy get few updates. So it go on stable. |
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| 10:25.27 | marcos_ | Hi, i am wondering what 'nitpicking' means (i've been told that 'nitpicking the variable may overflow', does anybody know? |
| 10:25.59 | Brigo | wfq, people talks about ufw, but i never used it. |
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| 10:26.14 | wfq | Brigo, I was actually having a look now |
| 10:26.24 | Reelax | Brigo: what is debian 7.5 update dvd for ? |
| 10:26.31 | xormor | ufw status |
| 10:27.07 | Brigo | Reelax, i dont know, may be to update 7.4 to 7.5? |
| 10:27.51 | xormor | apt-get install ufw; ufw status; ufw enable |
| 10:28.01 | Kingsy | Brigo: its already installed --> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already the newest version. |
| 10:28.07 | Kingsy | Brigo: how do you enable it? |
| 10:28.11 | xormor | wfq, apt-get install ufw; ufw status and ufw enable |
| 10:28.49 | Brigo | if at reinstall it do not works, try to edit the xorg.conf and chage the line saind driver: nvidia for driver: nouveau |
| 10:29.02 | Reelax | Brigo: it's ISO size is bigger than regular debian 7.5 DVD. |
| 10:29.24 | Kingsy | Brigo: how do you force a reinstall? |
| 10:29.42 | wfq | xormor as easy as it can get.... I am reading a tutorial now. Want to allow access to dynamic dns and static IP only by ssh, leave port 80 open to the world and shut the rest. I know firewalling on domains probably is a performance hassle but for the time being is ok |
| 10:30.44 | xormor | I was told that I do not need to download the new upgraded ISO's and burn them on DVD's. apparently I can rely on the net and use the old DVD's. |
| 10:31.03 | xormor | I have Debian 7.5, because I did and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:31.34 | xormor | wfq, ok |
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| 10:33.11 | Brigo | kingsley, apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 10:35.15 | average | hello, I have a question that is mostly related to Debian. I started getting interested in a Distributed File system. It's called Lustre. I am still hesitant but I read a lot of good things about Lustre so I think it's a good choice |
| 10:35.32 | Kingsy | Brigo: its ok I just removed the nvidia packages and rebooted.. seems to work ok apart from I cant setup the dual monitors side by side |
| 10:35.34 | average | Now the problem is that I've read Kernel 3.11 came with Lustre-support http://www.linuxplanet.com/news/linux-3.11-gets-new-lustre.html |
| 10:36.17 | average | And, I've seen no Lustre builds for Kernel >2.6.34 so far.. and Lustre is stuck at ~1.8.5 in Debian (while the latest is 2.5.1 according to http://downloads.whamcloud.com/public/lustre/ ) |
| 10:36.45 | average | now I understand that using Lustre is a bit more invovled as it requires some Kernel modules too |
| 10:37.10 | average | I am on Debian Jessie. I see the majority(if not all) of Lustre packages have been pulled off of Debian Jessie(not sure why yet) |
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| 10:38.06 | average | and I came to ask if it's worth going all the way with Lustre(I actually patched it with 2 patches, but weird enough was able to build only packages for Lustre 1.8.5 although I used the latest branch in the lustre-releases repo ) |
| 10:38.16 | bhuddah | average: if you're still in the research phase you can try out glusterfs or ceph. maybe those are easier to install and so on. |
| 10:38.53 | average | so this is a 50%-Debian question and a 25%-distributed-fs-question and a 25%-Lustre-question. What would you do if you were me and wanted a distributed fs ? |
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| 10:40.10 | average | bhuddah: I was in a team not long ago where there were various problems with glusterfs(and I am inclined to not use it, but it's not off the table yet). As for ceph, I know it's developed by Redhat, I haven't looked much into it. Have you used ceph ? Do you like it ? |
| 10:40.31 | average | For me it seems that Lustre is really really good, so that's why I was really excited about it. It has a lot of things that I would like |
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| 10:41.00 | average | bhuddah: do you see any reason why Lustre 2.4+ would not work on Debian Jessie? have you tried setting it up somewhere? |
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| 10:41.38 | average | btw Lustre also has a server part which I wasn't able to get running, in particular, it has a few kernel modules which are supposed to be loaded in order to be able to use Lustre |
| 10:42.02 | bhuddah | average: i have still to test it. but i'm very interested. lustre seems to be quite dead though |
| 10:42.17 | average | and those have been problematic, but my current understanding is that they don't work because my kernel version is too new 3.13 , whereas they were built for Ubuntu 10.04 (kernel 2.6.34) |
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| 10:43.04 | average | bhuddah: well, I thought Lustre was dead too, but after reading a lot about it, I concluded it's not dead after all, it's quite alive, just not very alive in the Debian eco-system afaics |
| 10:44.38 | average | bhuddah: 1.8.4 and 1.8.5 has certainly EOL-ed , and those are the versions packaged for certain Debian releases .. |
| 10:44.38 | bhuddah | average: there's a #lustre channel here. maybe they know more. |
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| 10:46.51 | wrksx | does that "-rwsr-sr-x" means ANY user can run this script with the owner's user permissions and user's group permissions |
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| 10:48.16 | average | bhuddah: I just tried, I'll hope someone comes around |
| 10:48.34 | average | bhuddah: but have you experienced some distributed filesystems ? can you decribe your experiences with them and how it went? |
| 10:49.16 | average | I'm very reluctant to touch any HDFS/Hadoop-related-setup atm due to high overhead in configuration and not enough familiarity with Java |
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| 10:50.10 | bhuddah | average: i'd say distributed fs's are a bit outrun by hadoop and distributed application storage now. i wouldn't use distributed fs if i can have distributed apps |
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| 10:50.49 | g105b | I'd like to curl and execute a .sh script from my site. How do I pump the output of curl into sh? Tried sh < curl http://.... |
| 10:51.20 | bhuddah | pipe it! |
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| 10:53.06 | average | g105b: curl -L http://cpanmin.us | perl - --sudo App::cpanminus |
| 10:53.34 | average | g105b: this is one example where http://cpanminus.us contains a bash script :) it is piped to Perl |
| 10:53.42 | average | g105b: I hope this answers your question more-or-less |
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| 10:54.08 | average | bhuddah: well why do you think they're outrun by hadoop ? |
| 10:54.48 | bhuddah | average: usually you want distributed computing and all the other stuff to. why bother to set up multiple layers when you can have it all in one big nice package? |
| 10:54.51 | g105b | average: ah lovely, thanks |
| 10:55.17 | average | bhuddah: ok, may I know a name of this big nice package ? |
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| 10:57.41 | bhuddah | average: e.g. ambari. but there are lots of free and commercial offers for that. |
| 10:59.51 | average | "The Apache Ambari project is aimed at making Hadoop management simpler by developing software for provisioning, managing, and monitoring Apache Hadoop clusters. Ambari provides an intuitive, easy-to-use Hadoop management web UI backed by its RESTful APIs." |
| 10:59.59 | average | bhuddah: this one ^^ ? |
| 11:00.17 | bhuddah | sure |
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| 11:05.38 | average | bhuddah: well yes, but that entails Hadoop/HDFS |
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| 11:05.58 | average | well, I'll look more into it, perhaps GlusterFS would be easier but ... |
| 11:06.02 | average | will have to see |
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| 11:29.55 | llpj | After apt-get upgrade of wheezy yesterday all I have in grub menu today is memtest. How can I bring back the old kernel? It seems to be listed in /boot/grub/grub.cfg when I mount the (encrypted) root with Finnix. |
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| 11:30.32 | zxd | hi |
| 11:30.37 | zxd | how to tell which module ver is currently loaded |
| 11:30.42 | zxd | lsmod just shows modules without ver |
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| 11:31.29 | abrotman | modinfo perhaps? |
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| 11:32.25 | zxd | hmm |
| 11:32.34 | zxd | maybe |
| 11:32.58 | zxd | abrotman: how do I fore kernel to load modules from /lib/modules/.../updates/ first |
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| 11:33.12 | abrotman | insmod perhaps |
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| 11:33.20 | zxd | modinfo shows kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192cu/rtl8192cu.ko |
| 11:33.25 | zxd | not the one under updates |
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| 11:46.59 | alami | hello, i want to chown asterisk /etc/asterisk, but when i ls -l i see that the user is still root |
| 11:47.06 | alami | how can i solve this |
| 11:47.09 | abrotman | chown why? |
| 11:48.16 | alami | abrotman: i want to make asterisk user the owner of /etc/asterisk directory |
| 11:48.30 | abrotman | who ran the chown command? |
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| 11:48.49 | alami | root |
| 11:48.57 | alami | i thing i have to make chown -R |
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| 11:49.07 | alami | what do you thoing? |
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| 11:49.58 | abrotman | think? |
| 11:50.16 | jelly | thong. |
| 11:50.17 | abrotman | alami: show us ld -ld /etc/asterisk/ |
| 11:50.53 | jelly | alami: abrotman meant "ls -ld /etc/asterisk/" |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | uh .. yes :) |
| 11:51.14 | abrotman | jelly: I think we've covered my sleep schedule over the past few days :( |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | Thank you |
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| 11:52.52 | alami | abrotman: sorry , but i get it now with -R for all sub directories |
| 11:52.59 | abrotman | okay |
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| 11:56.23 | alami | abrotman:http://pastie.org/9195727 does that mean that the user running asterisk is now the asterisk user ? |
| 11:57.18 | abrotman | it would appear that way |
| 11:57.21 | abrotman | JELLY!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:59.20 | alami | abrotman: ahh only because i don't understand why i see the root user in the second line |
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| 12:00.19 | abrotman | alami: because the root user ran the grep command .. "ps aux | grep astereisk | grep -v grep" |
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| 12:04.02 | alami | abrotman: ohh thank you so much i see now :-) |
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| 12:12.34 | cgc | hi everyone |
| 12:13.38 | cgc | I'm trying to setup an autoinstall of a hardened wheezy, the problem I'm coming up against is that the "harden" package installs tripwire and that asks me 'Do you wish to create/use your site key passphrase during installation' |
| 12:13.48 | cgc | anyone know how I can automate this? |
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| 12:15.54 | dutchfish | cgc, http://fai-project.org/fai-guide/_anchor_id_config_xreflabel_config_installation_details.html#cscripts |
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| 12:17.55 | dutchfish | cgc, as simpler design is preseeding http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ch02.html#id319370 |
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| 12:19.44 | cgc | dutchfish thanks, I'm preseeding to do the actual install and some configuration, haven't figured out how to configure tripwire using it though |
| 12:20.05 | dutchfish | cgc, but i doubt that fully automated hardening installs make much sense |
| 12:20.21 | cgc | dutchfish why? |
| 12:20.47 | dutchfish | cgc, human control for automation errors, you know what they say about assumptions ...... |
| 12:21.13 | cgc | dutchfish fair enough |
| 12:21.43 | dutchfish | cgc, so on my sites, i did a half automated solution with my own scripting |
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| 12:22.11 | dutchfish | cgc, and plenty of logs and forensic analysis, befor eit gets the green light |
| 12:22.23 | dutchfish | cgc, just my 2 cents |
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| 12:23.07 | cgc | this is what I was trying to do, run my own script after the preseeding to do the rest of the configuration, just not sure how to get tripwire installed without interaction, never seen this 'Customization scripts in $FAI/scripts' before though |
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| 12:24.41 | dutchfish | cgc, http://fai-project.org/fai-guide/_anchor_id_instprocess_xreflabel_instprocess_overview_of_the_installation_sequence.html |
| 12:24.52 | dutchfish | cgc, i have no examples nearby |
| 12:24.56 | cgc | dutchfish oh, this is an alternative to preseeding? |
| 12:25.07 | dutchfish | cgc, but the man pages and docs have some |
| 12:25.15 | dutchfish | yes |
| 12:25.18 | cgc | ok |
| 12:25.23 | dutchfish | !fai |
| 12:25.24 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:26.08 | cgc | cheers |
| 12:26.11 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:26.14 | petern_ | Hmm, are libssl upgrades meant to restart any services these days? |
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| 12:27.41 | dutchfish | petern_, if you mean apache plugs, no, not neccesary |
| 12:27.57 | dutchfish | petern_, rem stateless |
| 12:28.36 | dutchfish | petern_, but tunnels might need that |
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| 12:30.39 | |oop | I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance |
| 12:30.56 | petern_ | dutchfish, I mean... libssl... |
| 12:31.29 | petern_ | There was a point where upgrading libssl restarted services using it; that doesn't happen now. |
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| 12:31.53 | angs | how can I see if I have a firewall on debian7? |
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| 12:32.23 | cgc | angs: iptables -L |
| 12:32.45 | angs | cgc, thanks |
| 12:32.52 | cgc | np |
| 12:33.29 | dutchfish | petern_, apt-rdepends libssl1.0.0:amd64 (example) |
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| 12:35.58 | dutchfish | petern_, the other way around aptitude why libssl1.0.0:amd64 |
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| 12:37.12 | petern_ | dutchfish, not talking about dependencies. After heartbleed there was stuff added to detect what needed to be restarted. |
| 12:37.41 | dutchfish | petern_, ah, i dont know, but i can confirm the latest update didnt restart services |
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| 12:41.14 | dutchfish | petern_, i could be wrong but was that in openssl or the lib (the latest) see http://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2931 |
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| 12:41.45 | dutchfish | petern_, if not the lib, no restart is needed |
| 12:42.11 | petern_ | dutchfish, either way they were both updated recently. |
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| 12:43.12 | dutchfish | petern_, https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/openssl | no changelog |
| 12:43.27 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 12:44.13 | dutchfish | petern_, i remember there were several short after eachother |
| 12:44.32 | dutchfish | petern_, the one that fixed HB, surely restarted services |
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| 12:44.45 | petern_ | yeah that one did :) |
| 12:44.54 | petern_ | changelogs for security packages usually don't work |
| 12:45.03 | angs | I have an Internet connection on wlan3, and use wlan2 as an AP. I want to route the traffic from wlan2 to wlan3, so I run these settings http://pastebin.com/4zwNK1C9 but it does not share the traffic. here are some of the related outputs http://pastebin.com/rN901NTQ |
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| 12:45.05 | dutchfish | maybe someone with more insight can shed a light on this behavior |
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| 12:45.39 | angs | can anyone tell me what is the problem that I am having |
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| 12:45.56 | angs | I use debian 7 |
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| 12:49.26 | dutchfish | petern_, it restarted on one of my machines the running services | as of per changelog http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/o/openssl/unstable_changelog | ie Actually restart the services when restart-without-asking is set |
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| 12:50.03 | dutchfish | strange, because the former one asked |
| 12:50.29 | dutchfish | so it needs restarting definitely |
| 12:51.15 | horsik | i have trouble getting quicktime plugin to wok |
| 12:51.29 | dutchfish | petern_, good q, btw |
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| 12:51.36 | horsik | *work, mplayer successfuly plays .mov files |
| 12:51.53 | horsik | but in firefox i only see black rectangle |
| 12:52.44 | horsik | about:config reports that mplayer quicktime plugin is installed |
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| 12:56.43 | nkuttler | people still use quicktime? meh.. |
| 12:57.01 | finga_ | what is a neat way of installing git > 1.8 on debian6 without building from source? |
| 12:57.26 | nkuttler | ,v git |
| 12:57.27 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.0.0~rc2-1; sid: 1:2.0.0~rc2-1; experimental: 1:2.0.0~rc2+next.20140502-1 |
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| 13:02.11 | dr_traktor | I'm having problems trying to create a screen for a user with 'sudo -u'. Results so far: http://pastebin.com/gjjYzf10 |
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| 13:05.15 | Walex | dr_traktor: you are having no problems, that's exactly how it is supposed to work. |
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| 13:07.25 | themill | finga_: when you're running oldstable, at some stage, the solution to getting newer versions of things is to upgrade to the current release. |
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| 13:08.57 | dr_traktor | Walex: I suspected as much. Can you help me understand what is happening? Why is this process not quitting? The java program is running so I assume a screen has been created, but I can't find it. |
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| 13:13.51 | dr_traktor | Walex: okay, I just discovered that the SSH command never returned, and was kept alive. So that explains why the java program is live. |
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| 13:14.11 | dr_traktor | Walex: I also suspect I shouldn't have used `` because that's the first thing that gets evaluated. |
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| 13:15.41 | th0mas_ | Hello All, Yesterday I switched my kernel version and now my server will only boot into rescue mode. Looking for some insight and help to possibly getting my server to boot properly. |
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| 13:19.05 | shomon | hi, what is a good way to set up a website so that it is accessible from every computer in the LAN? |
| 13:19.05 | stormy3 | if i generated a ssh key, could i use that on multply servers ? |
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| 13:19.48 | shomon | or is there a good way to find out? I want an intranet type area. So far I've installed ufw and set it up to have the right port open and everything else closed on the server |
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| 13:20.32 | shomon | it's a django app, but basically just a database table that gets filled by a form or two. |
| 13:20.44 | xand | shomon: just create a website... |
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| 13:21.06 | shomon | it's done and it's on git... how do I make it so other computers on the lan can access this website? |
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| 13:21.16 | shomon | it's accessible fromit's own server |
| 13:21.49 | shomon | as localhost, 0.0.0.0.... maybe there's a tutorial for this kind of thing? |
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| 13:23.19 | shomon | aah could I put it under /etc/hosts on the client computers? |
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| 13:27.33 | shomon | xand do you know where I might get help for that? |
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| 13:33.12 | petn-randall | stormy3: client or server key? |
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| 13:36.01 | kess | is there a way (using dpkg or aptitude) to list packages which depend on a queried package? |
| 13:36.16 | kess | like pacman's "Required By" field from Arch, for example |
| 13:37.45 | themill | kess: sure, apt-cache rdepends or aptitude search if you want more filtering |
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| 13:41.10 | kess | thanks :) |
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| 13:44.20 | surf | hi guys is it possible to add a shortcut in nautilus 3.8.2? |
| 13:44.31 | surf | in the "resources" panel |
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| 13:46.14 | petn-randall | surf: I think drag 'n' drop should do the job. |
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| 13:48.36 | surf | petn-randall, it doesn't :/ |
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| 13:49.13 | Walex | kess: I have written a post with several useful 'aptitude' queries here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
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| 13:50.13 | Walex | dr_traktor: you don't have a technical problem -- all command are doing what you asked them to do. Perhaps you want to rephrase your goal. |
| 13:50.38 | Walex | stormy3: yes. |
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| 13:51.24 | Walex | shomon: #httpd |
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| 13:51.48 | Walex | surf: #GNOME |
| 13:51.59 | nkuttler | shomon: i'd just python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
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| 13:52.28 | dioz | freebsd is better than debian |
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| 13:52.42 | petn-randall | th0mas_: First step would be to tell what the actual error is when you try to boot. Screenshot it with a mobile if you have no other method of capturing the screen. |
| 13:52.58 | nkuttler | dioz: if you need a generic channel to troll try #defocus |
| 13:53.05 | dioz | i'm banned frmo there |
| 13:53.11 | th0mas_ | petn-randall: I do not have access to the boot, is there a log I can look up? |
| 13:53.12 | petn-randall | figues |
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| 13:53.43 | petn-randall | th0mas_: How do you know it doesn't boot then? |
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| 13:57.08 | th0mas_ | petn-randall: to be honest I do not know 100% but my provider is telling me that is booting into rescue mode due to errors |
| 13:57.19 | thedeeno | Anyone else getting hash sum mismatch errors from debian sources this morning? |
| 13:57.35 | defa | hey guys. i need to use old blowfish hashes in my /etc/shadow - in order to do this i have to install pam_unix2 - however pam_unix2 does not support sha512 which is also used for password hashing. is there any docu how to use them in parallel? |
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| 13:57.44 | thedeeno | offical us/uk both appear broken when running `apt-get update` |
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| 13:58.38 | petn-randall | defa: Why are you reading directly /etc/shadow? |
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| 14:00.38 | jelly | thedeeno: what about http.debian.net? |
| 14:00.47 | petn-randall | th0mas_: The bootlog will only be written if you have bootlogd installed and it even gets that far. Very likely your bootup fails a lot earlier. |
| 14:01.01 | defa | petn-randall: i don't. i want to import users from an old BSD-based FTP to native unix users. i have usernames and hashes and just use useradd to add them to the systems userbase. if there is a more clever way to do so i have not found it yet |
| 14:01.12 | themill | thedeeno: which version of apt do you have and which release is this? |
| 14:01.37 | defa | petn-randall: "native unix" meaning "regular debian (wheezy) users" |
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| 14:01.57 | cgc | thedeeno: ftp.uk.debian.org seems fine to me |
| 14:02.20 | petn-randall | defa: Ah, now I understand your problem. Usually you would use libpam to authenticate users, but since you're migrating from A to B, there's no straightforward way. Would resetting passwords be a feasible option for you? |
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| 14:05.18 | linuxthefish | what is the code name for debian 6? |
| 14:05.33 | Mikaela | Wheezy |
| 14:05.34 | Mikaela | Or wait, Squeeze |
| 14:05.36 | thedeeno | jelly: http.debian.net too |
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| 14:05.44 | Mikaela | 7 is Wheezy. |
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| 14:05.59 | jelly | linuxthefish: /msg dpkg release history |
| 14:06.00 | defa | petn-randall: i considered that, but it would be a huge pain. i'd do so if the old hashes were md5 or worse, but blowfish is pretty OK for me and i would love to allow the users a transparent transition between the two systems |
| 14:06.07 | thedeeno | themill: apt v 0.9.16.1 |
| 14:06.16 | thedeeno | themill: release: jessy |
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| 14:06.26 | linuxthefish | W: Failed to fetch http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 193.62.202.28 80] |
| 14:06.27 | linuxthefish | wtf |
| 14:06.28 | thedeeno | themill: seems to fail on the amd64 packages from main |
| 14:06.45 | thedeeno | cgc: really? I just tried those. Are you using jessy? |
| 14:06.46 | linuxthefish | is debian mirrors down? |
| 14:06.49 | themill | linuxthefish: oldstable would not normally be found on archive.debian.org |
| 14:06.58 | jelly | linuxthefish: perhaps squeeze is not on archive.debian.org yet but on the regular mirrorses |
| 14:07.08 | linuxthefish | i used http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | ugh |
| 14:07.15 | cgc | thedeeno: no i'm using apt |
| 14:07.18 | linuxthefish | where can i find reliable sources for debian 6 -__- |
| 14:07.20 | themill | linuxthefish: see... so don't do that |
| 14:07.25 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxthefish about squeeze sources.list |
| 14:07.28 | lucido | I tried to set up scanner sharing following this howto https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork but the client machine reports nothing on scdanimage -L |
| 14:07.29 | jelly | linuxthefish: they're known to be generating broken sources.list |
| 14:07.31 | cgc | thedeeno: sorry no im using wheezy |
| 14:08.23 | themill | thedeeno: if I recall correctly, that's the apt with broken xz compression (that was fixed quite a while back now). You need to disable xz compression to complete the update. |
| 14:08.25 | linuxthefish | W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 14:08.26 | linuxthefish | wtf |
| 14:08.30 | linuxthefish | it's dead |
| 14:08.44 | thedeeno | themill: awesome idea, let me try that |
| 14:08.55 | linuxthefish | does anyone know name of keychain packages? |
| 14:09.09 | Mikaela | linuxthefish: debian-archive-keyring, I think. |
| 14:09.23 | defa | petn-randall: this was also discussed here https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/05/msg01643.html but with the remark "But be very careful on how |
| 14:09.26 | defa | you stack them, or you will create a nasty security hole." |
| 14:09.39 | Mikaela | linuxthefish: You can also "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553" |
| 14:09.45 | defa | so i wonder how to do it in a clean manner |
| 14:09.46 | thedeeno | themill: this was built in march 2014 though, which isn't THAT long ago :) |
| 14:10.16 | Mikaela | debian-archive-keyring yes |
| 14:10.20 | themill | Mikaela: that's an appalling thing to do on many levels. |
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| 14:12.28 | thedeeno | linuxthefish: the jessy sources appear down too |
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| 14:12.53 | themill | that's not correct |
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| 14:12.57 | linuxthefish | :O |
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| 14:13.47 | petn-randall | defa: If you have a little time, I'd bring it up on the mailing list for discussion. |
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| 14:15.10 | defa | petn-randall: thank's i'll do that |
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| 14:17.20 | thedeeno | themill: Any hints on how to disable this xz compression? I'm using the wrong google query and I'm not getting good results. |
| 14:17.56 | thedeeno | themill: It appears that xz compression IS turned on though since the urls are prefixed with xz |
| 14:17.59 | VSpike | Hi. I installed Wheezy, and ticked the desktop environment selection on install. Now I've installed the MATE packages and am using those. How can I safely remove the Gnome bits without breaking MATE? Will tasksel remove desktop take out Xorg and other stuff I need? |
| 14:18.31 | petn-randall | VSpike: Mate is not in wheezy, thus you must've installed something else. |
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| 14:18.53 | VSpike | petn-randall: I used the instructions at http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
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| 14:19.49 | wols_ | VSpike: it will not remove Xorg. and it will tell you what it wants to remove before it removes anything. so if it tries to remove your MATE you will notice |
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| 14:20.26 | themill | !xz hashes |
| 14:20.27 | dpkg | APT version 0.9.16.1 gets decompression of xz files wrong under various conditions, generating an error about hash sum mismatches (#743298). Configure apt to use gz instead for the time being («Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: "gz";» in /etc/apt/apt.conf) or upgrade your version of apt to the newer version in sid. |
| 14:20.30 | themill | thedeeno: ^^ |
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| 14:21.11 | shomon | thanks Walex |
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| 14:22.56 | stormy3 | 031 "L2TP-PSK" #4: max number of retransmissions (2) reached STATE_MAIN_I1. No response (or no acceptable response) to our first IKE message |
| 14:23.14 | stormy3 | trying to make a l2tp connection from a debian client to firewall and get this error, any ideas any one? |
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| 14:25.08 | VSpike | wols_: Hm. It didn't tell me what it was going to remove, and it did remove Xorg :) |
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| 14:26.26 | VSpike | To be fair, it might have just removed the DM |
| 14:26.57 | thedeeno | themill: nice, thanks. Curious, how do I upgrade apt (rather than flip this flag)? |
| 14:27.12 | VSpike | Still, looks pretty good now. Ta |
| 14:27.17 | thedeeno | using apt to update itself is trippy |
| 14:27.48 | themill | thedeeno: you'd have to manually download apt and its dependencies and install them with dpkg -i. |
| 14:28.03 | themill | (normally apt can upgrade itself quite happily) |
| 14:28.06 | wols_ | VSpike: what command? |
| 14:28.31 | wols_ | and yes, the DM is part of gnome, callled "gdm3" after all. Xorg however is not |
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| 14:31.50 | VSpike | wols_: tasksel remove desktop |
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| 14:32.15 | wols_ | :( |
| 14:32.36 | wols_ | yes that can remove Xorg. never ever use tasksel again. ues apt-get or aptitude |
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| 14:32.47 | wols_ | Xorg is easily regained: apt-get install xorg |
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| 14:33.09 | VSpike | wols_: yeah, i did that |
| 14:33.24 | VSpike | I think that's the first time I've used tasksel in about 10 years :) |
| 14:34.06 | wols_ | and you've seen why not using it for 10 years was a good idea. |
| 14:34.07 | VSpike | What would be the best route via aptitude? tried the obvious aptitude remove gnome but either that was the wrong meta package or I need to remove a big list of things |
| 14:34.15 | VSpike | heh yeah |
| 14:34.19 | wols_ | !remove gnome |
| 14:34.21 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 14:34.26 | wols_ | this is for 2.0 however. |
| 14:34.42 | wols_ | but removing gnome will always be a huge huge list of packags |
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| 14:39.07 | VSpike | wols_: never knew about the ~n search pattern. Useful to know |
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| 14:40.11 | somiaj | VSpike: depending on auto flags and what else you have installed that aptitude command might also take out some of xorg if it was automatically brought in with those packages. (since aptitude removes any auto packages that don't have anything depend on them by default) |
| 14:41.06 | VSpike | Well, with hindsight I wish I'd not ticked desktop and just installed xorg, a DM and MATE by hand so I'm not too bothered. Interesting to learn a bit more in the process though |
| 14:41.49 | somiaj | VSpike: are you running low on disk space, it is completely possible to install mate or another wm and then set up your session manager to use it and not have to uninstall the gnome stuff. |
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| 14:45.21 | VSpike | somiaj: no, not low on space. was part just neatness and part superstition. Earlier I made the mistake of setting up an Ubuntu VM, which was horrible. I tried to improve it by apt-get install lubuntu-desktop which was a bit better, but if you do that in Ubuntu you often end up with two conflicting sets of system preference tools, duplicate indicators, etc... |
| 14:45.29 | VSpike | meaning you need to purge the other DE |
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| 14:46.09 | VSpike | Don't think I actually have that problem here though |
| 14:46.25 | VSpike | Glad to say I zapped that Ubuntu VM after about 10 minutes |
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| 14:54.01 | petern_ | Cool, I had a server break, sshing into it causes the local ssh client to lock up too o_O |
| 14:54.19 | petern_ | ^C, ^Z or ^| do nothing :S |
| 14:54.57 | ebfull | petern_: what did you do |
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| 14:57.48 | segfalt | quick .deb question, if I want my package to remove a system package of a different name because it contains all the same functionality, is that Provides, Conflicts, Replaces or some combination of them? I tried just Replaces, but it did not uninstall the original package. |
| 14:58.07 | petern_ | Server's PCI bus had a hiccup. Rebooted now and there's no evidence, as it couldn't write to disk. |
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| 14:58.29 | somiaj | segfalt: I think Conflicts is what you want. |
| 14:58.38 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: all three, usually |
| 14:58.54 | somiaj | I thought provides was for virtual packages |
| 14:59.12 | segfalt | dondelelcaro: And a call to apt-get install would then *remove* the original? |
| 14:59.21 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: you want Provides so that packages which have a Dependency relationship on your package can continue to be installed |
| 14:59.32 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: yes. It would be in an 'rc' state |
| 14:59.45 | segfalt | dondelelcaro: Awesome, thanks. Rebuilding.. :-) |
| 14:59.50 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: but what exactly are you doing? it might not be the best thing to actually do that |
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| 15:00.19 | segfalt | dondelelcaro: I am building a custom build of Ruby |
| 15:00.22 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: you might instead want to build a package with the same name and a greater version |
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| 15:00.27 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: yeah, you don't actually want to do that |
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| 15:00.50 | segfalt | My package is actually named something different, using my organization's name. |
| 15:00.59 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: right, you still don't want to do that |
| 15:01.13 | segfalt | What's the cleanest way to have our own custom build of Ruby? |
| 15:01.31 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: is it the same version of ruby that Debian distributes? Does it need to install to the system paths? |
| 15:01.45 | segfalt | As it stands right now, we install to /usr/local/bin, but that's mainly for historical reasons. |
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| 15:01.52 | segfalt | I wasn't intending to change that. |
| 15:02.05 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: ok. If that's where you install to, you don't need to do any of the conflicts stuff |
| 15:02.06 | segfalt | But I do *not* want to be in a place where system Ruby is installed, in addition to our build. |
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| 15:02.28 | segfalt | Something else depended on ruby1.8, and brought it into /usr/bin, caused some confusion. |
| 15:02.53 | dondelelcaro | segfalt: why? just fix the PATH appropriately; system stuff which needs the system ruby will use the system ruby, and everything else can use your ruby |
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| 15:04.12 | segfalt | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately we want our build of Ruby to be used for cronjobs, daemons spawned from init, and various other things. If we have a Ruby in 1.8, there ends up being a lot of touch points. |
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| 15:04.18 | segfalt | I probably should build into /usr/bin instead. |
| 15:04.33 | segfalt | And actually be replacing the system ruby correctly. |
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| 15:08.01 | somiaj | segfalt: are you just wanting a newer version of ruby, custom patches or differnt config options? |
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| 15:15.16 | petern_ | Meanwhile the server is back up but I still have wedged ssh clients :p |
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| 15:28.33 | jmd | How do I get sound on debian? |
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| 15:28.57 | thid | jmd: nothing on mute with alsamixer? |
| 15:29.05 | thid | try to launch this utility |
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| 15:29.37 | jmd | thid: no |
| 15:29.42 | somiaj | jmd: are you use pulseaudio (ps fax | grep pulse) do you see an pulse programs running |
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| 15:30.20 | jmd | somiaj: Yes that is running |
| 15:30.55 | somiaj | jmd: run the program pavucontrol (also name of the packages). You can configure which sound card, volumes and various pulse options with that gui |
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| 15:34.46 | debian784 | hello |
| 15:34.49 | debian784 | im getting aids in my head |
| 15:34.53 | debian784 | how do i download debian? |
| 15:35.01 | debian784 | cd-rom shit didnt boot with usb stick |
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| 15:35.08 | debian784 | thank you! |
| 15:35.32 | jmd | somiaj: It looks like a nice gui. What controls should I click? |
| 15:35.45 | somiaj | debian784: the cdrom isos work perfectally with usb sticks. How did you try to install it on the usb stick |
| 15:35.59 | debian784 | i used unetbootin |
| 15:36.00 | somiaj | jmd: I don't run pulse, play around your guess is as good as mine (I have never actually seen that gui run) |
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| 15:36.11 | debian784 | but shit doesnt detect in my bios |
| 15:36.14 | debian784 | im so sad right now |
| 15:36.20 | somiaj | debian784: that is your problem, debian isos are made to be bootable and unetbootin messes that up. What os are you making the iso from |
| 15:36.26 | jmd | so why did you recommend something that you never use? |
| 15:36.28 | debian784 | from ubuntu |
| 15:36.41 | debian784 | but i keep getting an error frmo the usb stick tool creator |
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| 15:36.46 | debian784 | i think or i got one error |
| 15:36.47 | somiaj | jmd: because I don't run pulse and that is the program I know that is desktop independent to control pulse |
| 15:36.49 | debian784 | then i used unetbootin |
| 15:37.03 | debian784 | somiaj what tool do you use? |
| 15:37.13 | debian784 | because i dont know how to run usb creator tool as sudo |
| 15:37.16 | somiaj | debian784: run 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is the actual device of your usb stick. (note /dev/sdc do not use /dev/sdc1) |
| 15:37.18 | aandy | hi. i'm using cm-crypt with luks, and i have a volume unlocked (opened) - anyone know if there's a way for me to verify the passphrase without closing/re-open? only by adding a new key or? |
| 15:37.21 | petn-randall | !tell debian784 -about usb install |
| 15:37.22 | aandy | dm-crypt* |
| 15:37.25 | somiaj | debian784: this will delete all info on the usb stick, but it will boot just fine |
| 15:37.37 | petn-randall | debian784: Don't use unetbootin, just use cp or dd, check what the bot sent you. |
| 15:37.56 | debian784 | but im using x64 |
| 15:38.23 | debian784 | somiaj how to i figure out what the device name of my usb stick is? |
| 15:38.27 | debian784 | im new to linux |
| 15:38.42 | somiaj | debian784: as soon as you plug it in, type dmesg | tail, it should be the last thing telling you what device it was assigned to |
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| 15:38.53 | debian784 | i used windows then i installed ubuntu then everyone said im a "script kid" and told me to install arch linux or at least debian |
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| 15:39.32 | jmd | Maybe this machine has no internal speaker. |
| 15:39.43 | Mikaela | debian784: mount|grep /dev/sd |
| 15:39.44 | petn-randall | debian784: Err ... what does that have to do with the installation procedure? |
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| 15:39.49 | somiaj | jmd: are you talking about pcspkr the very crappy one that beeps? |
| 15:40.18 | jmd | somiaj: *shrug* |
| 15:40.25 | jmd | A speaker is a speaker to me. |
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| 15:40.54 | somiaj | jmd: pcspkr is not really a sound card it is the old very simple speaker that basically beeps and has a sepcial module for it. But sound cards on the other hand are different. |
| 15:41.15 | somiaj | jmd: cat /proc/asound/cards -- those are your actual sound cards. If they don't have internal speakers (many won't) you'll have to plug speakers into it |
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| 15:41.51 | jmd | So how can I tell if I have speakers |
| 15:42.08 | jmd | There is no /proc/asound/speakers |
| 15:42.13 | debian784 | somiaj |
| 15:42.14 | somiaj | jmd: look up the computer specs from the computer manufacture |
| 15:42.21 | debian784 | can you give me boot instructions |
| 15:42.23 | somiaj | jmd: is it a desktop/laptop |
| 15:42.24 | jmd | somiaj: This is not 1980 |
| 15:42.26 | debian784 | that uses a gui? |
| 15:42.34 | debian784 | its very hard for me to type in commands in the terminal |
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| 15:42.56 | somiaj | debian784: it is a single command to copy the .iso to the usb drive, once you do that, you can boot it and select a graphical install when it boots |
| 15:42.56 | jmd | computer manufacturors gave up releasing specs over 30 years ago. |
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| 15:43.35 | jmd | its a laptop |
| 15:43.38 | somiaj | jmd: most computer manufactors I trust list the specs of their producs on their webpage. |
| 15:44.02 | somiaj | jmd: did cat /proc/asound/cards return multiple cards? |
| 15:44.08 | somiaj | jmd: most laptops do have internal speakers |
| 15:44.09 | jmd | Yes. 2 |
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| 15:44.46 | somiaj | jmd: does one say 'hdmi' and the other something else? |
| 15:45.13 | jmd | No. They are both HDA-Intel |
| 15:46.35 | somiaj | jmd: well without knowing the specs I would turn up the volumes in pavucontrol, test, switch sound cards, test, then look for a hardware mute or volume control (some laptops have an actual volume control or hardware mute button on them) |
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| 15:46.53 | jmd | yeah done that. |
| 15:47.29 | somiaj | not sure what do to next, if you have some extrenal speakers plug them in see if they work. (: |
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| 15:48.15 | vlt | Hello. Using the mysql CLI client on Debian 6 (oldstable) I get a @@character_set_client "latin1" as described in the manpage but on a fresh Debian 7 I get "utf8" now though the manpage still says "latin1" as default. Any idea whether and where this has changed? |
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| 15:48.40 | jmd | This model seems not to exist according to the manufacturor |
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| 15:49.18 | jmd | Although lots of vendors seem to be selling it. |
| 15:49.52 | somiaj | vlt: type locales -- that is the different locales you have set |
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| 15:50.08 | somiaj | vlt: you could also try dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the default and or build other locales for your use |
| 15:50.58 | vlt | somiaj: locale is utf8 on both machines. |
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| 15:51.21 | jmd | None of the vendor descriptions mention speakers. |
| 15:51.40 | vlt | somiaj: The manpage says that "latin1" is used by default (which is indeed on squeeze). |
| 15:51.49 | jmd | But then, they also don't mention a keyboard, but it certainly has one of those. |
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| 15:52.55 | benbrown | Hi, I don't know if anyone's mentioned it already but the netboot install of jessie seems to be broken at the moment. The kernel image at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux is an older version than the kernel in the repo, so the installer can't find any kernel modules. |
| 15:52.57 | somiaj | vlt: it could be you don't have the latin1 locales generated on yoru wheezy install, that dpkg-reconfigure locales will allow you to generate it if you need them. But I can't really help more than say check you have the locales generated and configured correctly. |
| 15:53.12 | benbrown | The current daily build works fine |
| 15:53.13 | somiaj | !tell benbrown about testing installer |
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| 15:53.58 | vlt | somiaj: Thank you. I don’t want latin1, I just try to understand WHY the behaviour has changed on the new machine. |
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| 15:54.37 | somiaj | vlt: I guess i have some old programs I use that require it so I always have it around and didn't notice the change. |
| 15:54.59 | somiaj | vlt: utf-8 seems to not respect some old vt100 escape characters and never actually figured out why |
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| 15:56.38 | benbrown | So if I want to pxeboot a jessie box I should use the wheezy kernel/initrd? That doesn't sound right |
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| 15:57.29 | petn-randall | benbrown: Yes, you use the stable installer, then upgrade. |
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| 15:57.43 | benbrown | sounds a bit backwards |
| 15:57.52 | somiaj | benbrown: if you want it to guarntee to work. You could try to track down the bugs, and fix them, and watch the next build break the installer again. |
| 15:58.15 | lawr | What iso contains GNOME for wheezy? |
| 15:58.23 | petn-randall | benbrown: How so? jessie isn't released yet. If you're not willing to do some plumbing, you shouldn't go near it yet. |
| 15:58.26 | lawr | I need a complete iso image, with GNOME for wheezy |
| 15:58.56 | benbrown | fair enough, like I said the daily build works, so I'll carry on with that for now |
| 15:59.03 | somiaj | lawr: cd1 should cointain all fo gnome as that is default, dvd1 will forsure |
| 15:59.58 | musca | !various cd1 |
| 15:59.59 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
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| 16:03.29 | amdp | I'm getting this error http://paste.debian.net/101012/ is it a password problem? |
| 16:03.30 | zleslie | Hi, I'm running into https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731287 Can someone tell me what it would take to get wget from testing merged into stable? |
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| 16:04.01 | nkuttler | zleslie: not going to happen |
| 16:04.04 | zleslie | amdp: Looks sasl relatead |
| 16:04.10 | zleslie | nkuttler: Can you elaborate? |
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| 16:04.30 | nkuttler | zleslie: stable only gets security fixes, and rarely bugfixes for really really bad bugs |
| 16:04.40 | nkuttler | !tell zleslie about backports |
| 16:04.46 | nkuttler | ,v wget |
| 16:04.47 | zleslie | Its not in backports |
| 16:04.47 | judd | Package: wget on i386 -- squeeze: 1.12-2.1; wheezy: 1.13.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.15-1; sid: 1.15-1 |
| 16:04.53 | nkuttler | yeah, not backported.. |
| 16:04.55 | amdp | zleslie so the missed resolving isn't relevant? |
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| 16:05.45 | nkuttler | zleslie: if you really really need this fixed consider using curl? or you could backport wget yourself, it's not very hard |
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| 16:05.52 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport wget |
| 16:05.53 | judd | Backporting package wget in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 16:06.06 | zleslie | nkuttler: Its actually for apt-get |
| 16:06.39 | zleslie | Which surprises me. So a wget bug breaks functionality in apt and I have to live with this for the next two years while I want for jessie? Thats fucked. |
| 16:06.51 | nkuttler | zleslie: btw, that version the bug is about is not in stable |
| 16:07.00 | somiaj | zleslie: wget should be easy to backport, is that the ssl memeory leak bug? |
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| 16:07.30 | nkuttler | fwiw, apt works just fine for me.. |
| 16:07.33 | zleslie | nkuttler: I'm seeing it on stable |
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| 16:07.46 | zleslie | The bug is specifically https with a self signed certificate. |
| 16:07.51 | nkuttler | zleslie: then you might want to add to the bug report and up the severity |
| 16:08.13 | nkuttler | zleslie: though you can disable cert checking with wget, and apt might be configurable to pass params to it, no idea |
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| 16:08.59 | somiaj | zleslie: do you have to use https: for what you want to get? But /msg dpkg ssb -- wget should be a very simple backport. |
| 16:09.16 | nkuttler | yeah, self-backport would be the quick fix |
| 16:09.19 | zleslie | I'm supposed to be able to disable certificate checking with Acquire::https::myreposerver::Verify-Peer false; |
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| 16:09.34 | zleslie | Which doesn't work I think because wget is doing the lifting. |
| 16:09.42 | zleslie | somiaj: I have to use https |
| 16:10.19 | zleslie | Man that is irritating. |
| 16:10.27 | zleslie | How do I post to the bug report? |
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| 16:11.15 | somiaj | zleslie: you could try to poke at the bug report, say it is sever or at least try to request and offical backport from the matainer. But I would build my own backport. If you don't want to install the build tools on your main system, you can build the .deb in a chroot (pbuilder will automate this) and then just install it in your normal system |
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| 16:12.19 | debian784 | somiaj |
| 16:12.22 | zleslie | Yeah, I'm going to have to port this to squeeze and wheezy for a few hundred nodes, so a repo and some testing is going to add complexity. |
| 16:12.34 | debian784 | i typed the sudo cp debian-6.0.9-amd64-CD-1.iso /dev/sda1 command |
| 16:12.41 | debian784 | and typed in my password |
| 16:12.46 | debian784 | now its just doing the _ thingy |
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| 16:12.50 | debian784 | is it copying over? |
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| 16:12.57 | somiaj | debian784: are you sure /dev/sda1 is your usb drive |
| 16:13.05 | debian784 | ya it says so in unetbootin |
| 16:13.19 | Laire | Hello, I want that on startup root login automatic and than XFCE starts automatic. The login works with editing the inittab file: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f root tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 but automatic XFCE start doesnt work. I add this lines at the end of root/.bashrc : |
| 16:13.22 | Laire | if [ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" -o "$(tty)" = "/dev/vc/1" ] ; then |
| 16:13.28 | Laire | startxfce4 |
| 16:13.33 | Laire | fi |
| 16:13.41 | somiaj | debian784: that is very very strange. but if you read what I said, I said it had to be /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 -- again I'm very worried the /dev/sda is your main hd and you just took out some important data |
| 16:13.42 | nkuttler | zleslie: just a random idea, but if you can run unencrypted locally an apt proxy might help? |
| 16:14.01 | debian784 | ok |
| 16:14.05 | debian784 | ill try dev/sda |
| 16:14.12 | somiaj | debian784: type mount |
| 16:14.20 | somiaj | debian784: put the output of that at paste.debian.net please. (: |
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| 16:14.43 | petn-randall | debian784: /dev/sda is likely your HDD, I wouldn't "try" that. |
| 16:14.49 | debian784 | ok |
| 16:15.03 | debian784 | well i did it nothing happend it just did the _ thing so i pressed ctrl +c |
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| 16:15.17 | somiaj | hmm guess mount won't list device if it is using uuid's, need more info |
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| 16:15.33 | debian784 | http://paste.debian.net/101023/ |
| 16:15.37 | somiaj | debian784: oh it was doing something. depending on what partition /dev/sda1 really is you could have destroyed some data |
| 16:15.39 | debian784 | somiaj here you go |
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| 16:16.07 | debian784 | in unetbootin it says |
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| 16:16.39 | debian784 | Type: USB Drive Drive: /dev/sda1 |
| 16:16.49 | somiaj | debian784: line 21: /dev/sda1 on /media/frosty/03A6-62C2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) -- that does look like your usb drive, but you did destory what ever data is on it |
| 16:17.29 | debian784 | yeah im looking inside my usb all the file names are messed up like weird symbols n shit |
| 16:17.37 | somiaj | debian784: first I would run 'umount /media/frosty/03A6-62C2', and then copy the iso to /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 (again this will destory all data on /dev/sda disk) |
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| 16:18.02 | debian784 | but what disk is the dev/sda one? |
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| 16:18.34 | somiaj | debian784: /dev/sda is the full disk (you have a full disk image that contains all the boot info, partition tables, etc in the .iso it needs to be written to the full disk) |
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| 16:18.40 | somiaj | debian784: /dev/sda1 is the first partition on that disk |
| 16:18.47 | NewUserLinux | when using dconf editor - are the changes only for my user or does it change for all users? If not all users how can I make and lock changes for all users |
| 16:18.53 | debian784 | well i use fulldisk encryption |
| 16:18.58 | debian784 | hope it doesnt mess up something lol |
| 16:19.34 | debian784 | so how to i copy the iso to dev/sda? |
| 16:19.44 | mtn | NewUserLinux: just one user. and it depends on what settings you are talking about as to where you would or could make your changes. |
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| 16:20.00 | debian784 | i ran that command on dev/sda does that mean my system is messed up? then i honestly need to get debian bootable |
| 16:20.28 | somiaj | debian784: you are missing the forward slash, it is /dev/sda not dev/sda |
| 16:20.31 | wols_ | debian784: if it's a usb stick, unplug it, and plug it back in. dmesg will now tell you if it's sda, sdb, etc. |
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| 16:20.51 | debian784 | ok |
| 16:21.04 | wols_ | you can also check with (as root) fdisk -l. the usb stick shows up being 8 or 16GB in size insteadl for 2000GB like the harddisk |
| 16:21.12 | somiaj | debian784: all the info you posted makes me think it is /dev/sda (which is really really rare but if you had it in when you booted ubuntu it may have been detected first) |
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| 16:22.08 | NewUserLinux | @mtn ok, thank you |
| 16:22.22 | mtn | NewUserLinux: yw |
| 16:22.29 | debian784 | Disk /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1: 2147 MB is this my usb drive |
| 16:22.43 | debian784 | so i type /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 ? |
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| 16:23.09 | somiaj | debian784: what that looks like your swap drive. |
| 16:23.16 | wols_ | no, it should be some sda, sdb thing. the kernel will know (dmesg) |
| 16:23.35 | debian784 | Disk /dev/sda: 1057 MB, 1057751040 bytes |
| 16:23.37 | debian784 | ya here it is |
| 16:23.38 | wols_ | debian784: how did you find this /dev/mapper device? |
| 16:23.39 | debian784 | its a 1gig drive |
| 16:23.42 | somiaj | debian784: run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' -- the output is probabaly good |
| 16:24.08 | wols_ | so when you used /dev/sda before then you are fine. you can mount it if you want and check what files are on it |
| 16:24.15 | debian784 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.20 | somiaj | debian784: but i'm convinced now it is your usb drive, run the same command as before but make it /dev/sda -- you should unmount the usb drive as I suggested frist |
| 16:24.43 | somiaj | debian784: I just didn't want yuo to destory your system so I was being extra careful (" |
| 16:24.57 | debian784 | what happend when i typed sda1 then? |
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| 16:25.17 | wols_ | "sda1" alone is simply meaningless. needs more context |
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| 16:25.44 | anp0 | Is there a way to add --no-install-recommends functionality to all commands utilizing apt-get if 'install' arg is invoked? |
| 16:25.46 | debian784 | this is that it says /dev/sda1 * 64 1327103 663520 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS |
| 16:25.47 | anp0 | automatically? |
| 16:25.48 | somiaj | debian784: it is /dev/sda1, what it did is it wrote the image to the first partitoin (which scrambled all the files on it) |
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| 16:26.05 | somiaj | debian784: again just change the command to /dev/sda and it will work |
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| 16:26.28 | debian784 | umount /media/frosty/03A6-62C2 umount: /media/frosty/03A6-62C2 is not mounted (according to mtab) |
| 16:26.59 | debian784 | so i write this? sudo cp debian-6.0.9-amd64-CD-1.iso /dev/sda |
| 16:27.30 | debian784 | should i format the usb drive before? because it has the broken debian in it |
| 16:27.34 | somiaj | debian784: you should go get debian 7 while you are at it |
| 16:27.44 | anp0 | can anyone help me out here? ^^ |
| 16:27.45 | somiaj | debian784: debian 6 is near its eol (though there will be a lts release of it) |
| 16:27.59 | Mikaela | That would probably fail and /dev/sda is usually your primary hard drive and you most probably don't want to over-write it. |
| 16:28.04 | somiaj | debian784: that command copies the exact image to the usb drive (which sets everything up that is ALL you have to do) |
| 16:28.10 | debian784 | i dont like the llook of gnome3 |
| 16:28.14 | wols_ | Mikaela: best read the log before commentning |
| 16:28.20 | somiaj | Mikaela: it is his usb drive, we have gone over this (: |
| 16:28.22 | wols_ | debian784: then use xfce or lxde |
| 16:28.27 | debian784 | but i like gnome2 |
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| 16:28.37 | debian784 | if they shipped debian7 with gnome2 i would dl it |
| 16:28.45 | Mikaela | Oh, strange. |
| 16:29.07 | debian784 | when is the LTS version of debian 6 coming out? |
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| 16:29.18 | somiaj | Mikaela: some bios will report usb drives first if they are pluged in at boot. Seems his ubuntu install called it sda as a result of that |
| 16:29.20 | wols_ | debian784: squeeze-lts will get some support but afaik that's only for server stuff, not the desktop like gnome2. |
| 16:29.25 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, MATE is your first stop then. |
| 16:29.31 | Mikaela | Ok |
| 16:29.53 | debian784 | look up reviews no one likes gnome 3, it is like windows 8 out of 7 |
| 16:29.53 | Mikaela | I wish MATE was in official repositories. |
| 16:29.56 | somiaj | though I think he'll have to wait for jessie for mate |
| 16:30.21 | TheQuestionmark | It's in Jessie's afaik. |
| 16:30.24 | somiaj | debian784: maybe it is a chance to try out xfce or lxde or other alternatievs. (: |
| 16:30.31 | Mikaela | Oh, nice. |
| 16:30.33 | TheQuestionmark | Otherwise here you go --> http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 16:30.49 | debian784 | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/xfce-horen.jpg |
| 16:30.53 | debian784 | it looks like windows xp |
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| 16:31.23 | TheQuestionmark | My both desktop are running with MATE, don't mind about the laptops though, those can keep LXDE and Xfce. |
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| 16:31.56 | wols_ | TheQuestionmark: and you run which debian? |
| 16:32.04 | TheQuestionmark | Stable, always. |
| 16:32.29 | debian784 | somiaj how long does this take? sudo cp debian-6.0.9-amd64-CD-1.iso /dev/sda ^C |
| 16:32.33 | wols_ | then not with MATE. we've had various people in here with bad problems due to the quality of mate .deb packages |
| 16:32.55 | wols_ | debian784: as long as your usb stick needs to write the file of this size |
| 16:32.58 | TheQuestionmark | What problems are you talking about? |
| 16:33.05 | somiaj | debian784: depends on the usb device/connenction but about the time it would take to copy a gig of data to the device |
| 16:33.07 | wols_ | TheQuestionmark: mainly dependencies |
| 16:33.37 | TheQuestionmark | Can't tell of any, on the other hand, I use to stay with 1.6 which uses to be MATE stable. |
| 16:33.59 | debian784 | hm |
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| 16:34.10 | TheQuestionmark | And as I said, two of my desktops are running MATE just fine. |
| 16:34.10 | debian784 | weird how there isnt a progress bar |
| 16:34.15 | TheQuestionmark | x86_64. |
| 16:34.16 | debian784 | i guess some coders were lazy |
| 16:34.31 | debian784 | whats most similar to gnome 2 on debian 7? is it MATE? |
| 16:34.32 | somiaj | debian784: it is a very low level command, cp never has had one |
| 16:34.53 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, MATE is a Gnome2 fork. |
| 16:34.56 | somiaj | debian784: you won't get mate on debian 7 easily. I'd say xfce, give it a try |
| 16:34.57 | lucido | what is the purpose of this group users:x:100: ? |
| 16:34.58 | TheQuestionmark | So yea. |
| 16:35.12 | debian784 | why did they get gnome3 then |
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| 16:35.15 | debian784 | instead of MATE |
| 16:35.17 | somiaj | debian784: but once jessie is released you can get the gnome2 fork called MATE |
| 16:35.35 | somiaj | mate is a fork, made by a community who wants to stick with the gnome2 feel |
| 16:35.38 | TheQuestionmark | MATE wasn't yet ready around the time Wheezy had its feature freeze. |
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| 16:35.50 | debian784 | ok so MATE doesnt exist anymore? |
| 16:35.53 | LemensTS | Can anyone here help setup vlan on a Cisco 2948G-GE-TX? Cisco channel is filled with little idiot kids... |
| 16:35.56 | LemensTS | I can pay $$$ |
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| 16:36.17 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, As I said, it's a fork which is still in further development. |
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| 16:36.45 | debian784 | i dont know what a fork is, like do you eat food with it? |
| 16:36.49 | debian784 | so i install debian 7 |
| 16:36.55 | debian784 | and i type some commands and i have MATE installed? |
| 16:36.58 | TheQuestionmark | For 1.10 or so they plan to switch over to gtk3 but you can still use stable MATE repos which offer v1.6 |
| 16:37.19 | TheQuestionmark | I see... |
| 16:37.39 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, You're new to Debian and GNU/Linux in general, aren't you? |
| 16:37.48 | debian784 | yes |
| 16:37.55 | debian784 | i already have serious brain damage from all of this |
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| 16:38.19 | TheQuestionmark | In this case you should check out Xfce which probably the next best choice for you to go with, if ya want a Gnome2 like desktop. |
| 16:38.56 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, Imagine GNU/Linux like the car industry. |
| 16:39.06 | debian784 | i want MATE if im going to get debian 7 |
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| 16:39.09 | TheQuestionmark | Everyone uses different part still the end results are similar. |
| 16:39.12 | TheQuestionmark | +s |
| 16:39.14 | debian784 | cant i just go with debian 6.0.9? |
| 16:39.26 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, Why do you want MATE so badly? |
| 16:39.28 | debian784 | how long will they support debian 6 for? |
| 16:39.38 | debian784 | because i looked on google images it looks way better then xfce |
| 16:39.45 | TheQuestionmark | Of course, you can also stick with Debian6 which became LTS lately. |
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| 16:40.01 | debian784 | ok |
| 16:40.02 | TheQuestionmark | Probably 2 or 3 more years. |
| 16:40.05 | debian784 | long term support? |
| 16:40.06 | debian784 | rly? |
| 16:40.13 | TheQuestionmark | That's what it is. |
| 16:40.21 | debian784 | 2 or 3 years? then why bother getting debian 7? |
| 16:40.30 | TheQuestionmark | In addition to oldstable. |
| 16:40.30 | debian784 | ill just stick with debian 6 if they update it for so long |
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| 16:40.59 | debian784 | so will MATE or gnome2 ish will be in future versions of debian? |
| 16:41.07 | TheQuestionmark | They decided to make Squeeze (Debian6's codename) LTS because of all the servers that still run Squeeze. |
| 16:41.16 | lucido | I'm creating a samba share and the location of it should have 777 permissions or should I create a smb-users group and use 770 permissions? security = user |
| 16:41.21 | debian784 | ok cool |
| 16:41.25 | debian784 | so im in luck |
| 16:41.30 | debian784 | do you think in 2 or 3 years |
| 16:41.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell debian784 about squeeze-lts |
| 16:41.34 | debian784 | when i have to switch to debian 7 |
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| 16:41.43 | wols_ | debian784: what hardware do you have? what cpu, what videocard? |
| 16:41.46 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, Gnome2 is still in Debian6, for 7 and beyond you'll need to install MATE. |
| 16:41.48 | debian784 | do they have MATE or other gnome2ish installed? |
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| 16:42.12 | debian784 | well i had a 660 nvidia i think |
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| 16:42.19 | TheQuestionmark | Gnome is default for Debian. |
| 16:42.22 | debian784 | but i get graphical glitches in debian and ubuntu |
| 16:42.25 | wols_ | jessie (debian 8) will have mate again |
| 16:42.30 | debian784 | so i just use my 4870 now |
| 16:42.36 | TheQuestionmark | Wow... |
| 16:42.42 | wols_ | debian784: a gtx 660 is not supported in debian 6: too new hardware |
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| 16:42.51 | TheQuestionmark | Trading a nv for an ATI... huge move. |
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| 16:42.58 | debian784 | no its not new its from last year |
| 16:43.08 | debian784 | yeah nvidia doesnt seem to work on linux |
| 16:43.09 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, For Squeeze it's new. |
| 16:43.10 | wols_ | !squeeze |
| 16:43.10 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the <oldstable> release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze security support ends on 2014-05-31, but ask me about <squeeze-lts>. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.9>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 16:43.20 | debian784 | no i was using debian 7 with gnome 3 |
| 16:43.27 | wols_ | and squeeze is from 3 years ago as you can see. so much older than your "new" videocard |
| 16:43.36 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, nVidia runs just as good on GNU/Linux as it does on OSX and Windows. |
| 16:43.39 | debian784 | and the resolution kept changing to 300x600 or something and blinking and giving me eye cancer |
| 16:43.48 | TheQuestionmark | If you wanna do 3D stuff e.g. games with ATI, good luck. |
| 16:44.02 | debian784 | nah man its a glitch in the kernel |
| 16:44.13 | debian784 | i was talking with an ubuntu developer its a "critical bug" |
| 16:44.32 | debian784 | 660 nvidia doesnt work with ubuntu 14.04 or the latest version of debian |
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| 16:45.21 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys I have a Gateway Debian 6 with my /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, set to 1. I have a direct link to the Internet with a public IP, no proxy, no firewall and no NAT in the middle... I can ping google.com or yahoo.com or cisco.com or 8.8.8.8 .... but I stil can't forward packets from my LAN . Any suggestions? |
| 16:45.54 | debian784 | ok |
| 16:45.58 | debian784 | my USB device changed name |
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| 16:46.06 | debian784 | somiaj |
| 16:46.11 | debian784 | when i try access my USB device now |
| 16:46.13 | debian784 | it says |
| 16:46.14 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, You know, even though it's not recommended, nV offers drivers on their webpage. |
| 16:46.14 | jelly | dimitry7: do your other devices also have a public ip address? |
| 16:46.16 | debian784 | Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/frosty/Debian 6.0.9 amd64 1: Command-line `mount -t "iso9660" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500" "/dev/sda1" "/media/frosty/Debian 6.0.9 amd64 1"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or hel |
| 16:46.31 | wols_ | dimitry7: does your LAN have a public IP? |
| 16:46.39 | dimitry7 | jelly, no, only the gateway has a public IP |
| 16:46.44 | debian784 | thequestionmark i know, but when i tried to dl them whenever i shutoff lightdm my screen went black |
| 16:46.48 | wols_ | then you need NAT |
| 16:46.54 | jelly | dimitry7: if they do not, you will have to enable masquerading (NAT) on this linux router itself. |
| 16:47.13 | dimitry7 | jelly, how can I enable NAT ? |
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| 16:47.49 | TheQuestionmark | debian784, Because your xorg.conf isn't set up properly. |
| 16:48.29 | TheQuestionmark | Besides, Ubuntu devs most likely can't help on Debian stuff, they're just leeching from it, nothing else. |
| 16:48.29 | debian784 | ill just use amd right now thequestionmark the nvidia card is on my desk but it gave me so much trouble and i tried everything and it never worked |
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| 16:49.01 | dimitry7 | jelly, I have enabled net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 16:49.06 | debian784 | i did 3 or 4 installations of debian7 and 3 or so with ubuntu and nothing ever worked |
| 16:49.11 | debian784 | im having htis issue now |
| 16:49.12 | debian784 | Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/frosty/Debian 6.0.9 amd64 1: Command-line `mount -t "iso9660" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500" "/dev/sda1" "/media/frosty/Debian 6.0.9 amd64 1"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or hel |
| 16:49.17 | TheQuestionmark | Have you also tried the FOSS drivers? |
| 16:49.25 | dimitry7 | which would allow my LAN to connect to the internet through my debian gateway |
| 16:49.34 | dimitry7 | that is NAT, isn't ti? |
| 16:49.45 | dimitry7 | * it |
| 16:49.49 | debian784 | thequestionmark it isnt a matter of drivers |
| 16:49.50 | jelly | dimitry7: the very basic way is: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o outbound-interface -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:50.00 | debian784 | it is the ubuntu and debian kernel messing up the EDID signal from the monitors |
| 16:50.40 | jelly | dimitry7: ip_forward just makes the machine capable of routing; it's required but not enough |
| 16:50.50 | debian784 | anyways |
| 16:50.55 | debian784 | i will try and boot debian6 |
| 16:50.59 | debian784 | evne thou i have that error |
| 16:51.05 | debian784 | thanks y'all for your help |
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| 16:51.30 | dimitry7 | jelly, yeah but I have another gateway in which if I bring iptables rules down (iptables -F), it can still route packets from its LAN... |
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| 16:52.36 | jelly | dimitry7: iptables -F does not bring iptables down completely, it only flushes the filter table. |
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| 16:52.42 | dimitry7 | jelly, I have executed your command |
| 16:52.47 | dimitry7 | And it worked :-S |
| 16:53.03 | jelly | dimitry7: given the context, what does :-S mean? |
| 16:53.27 | dimitry7 | jelly, that I have set up other gateways without doing that and they have worked :-O |
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| 16:54.05 | dimitry7 | jelly, iptables -L doesn't show the rule I've just added... how can I see it? |
| 16:54.25 | jelly | dimitry7: use "iptables-save" to see all the rules. |
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| 16:54.33 | dimitry7 | jelly, ok let me see |
| 16:54.38 | jelly | dimitry7: or iptables -t nat -L to see the nat table |
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| 16:55.00 | debian361 | hello, how do i make my usb device bootable to debian6 |
| 16:55.04 | debian361 | shit doesnt work i have done so far |
| 16:55.15 | debian361 | i want to download this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ the usb version |
| 16:55.34 | wols_ | debian361: why? |
| 16:55.37 | debian361 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 16:55.43 | dimitry7 | jelly, Oooh... woow... so I can do: iptables-save > /etc/iptables and I have my firewall set ready to add more rules ?? |
| 16:55.50 | debian361 | my bios doesnt recognize whatever i have done so far |
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| 16:56.00 | debian361 | i think i need the specific USB version |
| 16:56.04 | wols_ | debian361: you want a normal ~250MB netinst iso. that is for putting it onto usb sticks, not this hd media you found |
| 16:56.17 | wols_ | what mainboard is it? |
| 16:56.18 | mtn | debian361: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 16:56.23 | debian361 | https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:56.29 | debian361 | look far right |
| 16:56.31 | debian361 | bottom |
| 16:56.41 | debian361 | other images (netboot, usb stick, etc.) |
| 16:56.46 | debian361 | and then AMD64 |
| 16:56.50 | debian361 | then im stuck on that link |
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| 16:57.58 | jelly | debian361: which way in 4.3 are you trying to follow? 4.3.1? |
| 16:58.09 | jelly | debian361: if not, why not? |
| 16:58.12 | wols_ | debian361: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.9/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso is what you want |
| 16:58.48 | debian361 | ty wolfs |
| 16:58.50 | debian361 | ok |
| 16:58.56 | debian361 | now is t here GUI version of 4.3 |
| 16:59.00 | debian361 | where i press a button |
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| 16:59.07 | debian361 | and it makes it bootable |
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| 16:59.13 | wols_ | no. you've been told the command before |
| 16:59.13 | debian361 | and copies over the iso |
| 16:59.18 | debian361 | yeah but that didnt work |
| 16:59.30 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay, thank you so much for your valuable help! |
| 16:59.36 | wols_ | but that is the way to do it. a GUI won't do it differently |
| 17:00.03 | debian361 | ubuntu doesnt even find the usb |
| 17:00.06 | debian361 | it doesnt pop up |
| 17:00.10 | jelly | debian361: GUI for which OS? |
| 17:00.16 | debian361 | ubuntu |
| 17:00.31 | jelly | there is none, open a terminal with root shell instead. |
| 17:00.59 | debian361 | i cant find the usb device in ubuntu |
| 17:01.02 | debian361 | after doing all that |
| 17:01.26 | jelly | debian361: after plugging in the usb stick and waiting 5-10 seconds, inspect the last couple dozen lines in /var/log/kern.log or "dmesg" command |
| 17:01.27 | debian361 | ok i have a windows computer across the room |
| 17:01.31 | ruukasu | a program from debian repos is segfaulting the second I run it for some reason, how could I determine the cause of this? |
| 17:01.39 | debian361 | what do i do on windows to make debian bootable on usb? |
| 17:01.42 | debian361 | use any tool? |
| 17:01.57 | jelly | debian361: let's try ubuntu first, please. |
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| 17:02.41 | debian361 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.07 | jelly | debian361: those are last lines? |
| 17:03.14 | debian361 | ya |
| 17:03.42 | jelly | debian361: let's try to confirm sda is really the right thing. What does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sda" say? |
| 17:03.51 | jelly | (returns size of device, in bytes) |
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| 17:04.07 | debian361 | 1057751040 |
| 17:04.11 | debian361 | the usb disk is 1gb |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | that's 1GB |
| 17:04.22 | wols_ | jelly: we already went through this before. debian784 was the nick back then |
| 17:04.32 | jelly | debian361: so now do the cp thing |
| 17:04.32 | debian361 | wols and it didnt work |
| 17:04.38 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 17:04.41 | jelly | wols_: I see he has the same IP. |
| 17:04.58 | jelly | debian361: do not unplug the device before "sync" completes |
| 17:05.00 | debian361 | i just go straight into ubuntu |
| 17:05.07 | debian361 | sync? |
| 17:05.10 | debian361 | what u mean sync? |
| 17:05.27 | wols_ | debian361: and I asked what mobo it is, which you still haven#t answered afaik |
| 17:05.29 | jelly | debian361: do you have squeeze install guide 4.3 open? |
| 17:05.42 | debian361 | yes |
| 17:05.48 | debian361 | # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX # sync |
| 17:05.54 | debian361 | so i type sync after its done? |
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| 17:06.06 | jelly | debian361: of course. |
| 17:06.10 | debian361 | no one told me that |
| 17:06.19 | debian361 | and no one linked me to this guide either |
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| 17:06.30 | jelly | debian361: you did not realize these were two commands to run one after another? |
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| 17:06.38 | Roxana18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.47 | jelly | debian361: mtn just linked you 10 minutes ago. |
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| 17:06.50 | debian361 | no they told me to run cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 17:06.55 | debian361 | and that was it. then it was done |
| 17:07.00 | jelly | debian361: and you said you read it. |
| 17:07.06 | debian361 | yeah i read it now |
| 17:07.12 | debian361 | but i thought sync didnt mean anything |
| 17:07.18 | debian361 | because they never mentioned it |
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| 17:07.28 | jelly | heh |
| 17:07.50 | debian361 | i have this in my dl folder |
| 17:07.52 | debian361 | debian-6.0.9-amd64-CD-1.iso debian-6.0.9-amd64-CD-1.jigdo debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:07.55 | debian361 | which one do i take? |
| 17:07.59 | debian361 | the netinst one? |
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| 17:08.06 | jelly | debian361: the .iso one |
| 17:08.16 | debian361 | ya but the netinst or CD-1? |
| 17:08.19 | jelly | doesn't matter which one, both work |
| 17:08.24 | tete_ | hi, i am facing a problem after an update: http://pastebin.com/ceFjzV67 can someone please tell me what permissions i have to set that this error goes away? |
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| 17:09.08 | nkuttler | !ops < Roxana18> Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.ly/1gPNuyO |
| 17:09.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: < Roxana18> Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.ly/1gPNuyO |
| 17:09.08 | debian361 | sudo cp debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sda |
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| 17:09.17 | debian361 | stop spamming |
| 17:09.20 | debian361 | sudo cp debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sda |
| 17:09.23 | debian361 | i typed that |
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| 17:09.26 | debian361 | and it finished in 1second |
| 17:09.32 | debian361 | are you sure it is working ? |
| 17:09.38 | aguitel | no |
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| 17:09.58 | jelly | debian361: now run the second command, sync, as root |
| 17:10.20 | debian361 | jelly, but last time it took like 5 mins to finish |
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| 17:10.24 | debian361 | now it did it in 1 msec? |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | debian361: no shit! |
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| 17:11.09 | debian361 | its like wolfs_ |
| 17:11.14 | jelly | debian361: I believe you. However, to finalize writing to the disk, you need to run sync. |
| 17:11.16 | debian361 | jelly so is it finished now? |
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| 17:11.23 | debian361 | i did sudo sync |
| 17:11.23 | jelly | debian361: did sync finish? |
| 17:11.29 | debian361 | ya |
| 17:11.34 | debian361 | now i can type another command in if i want |
| 17:11.36 | jelly | now long did that take? |
| 17:11.40 | debian361 | 1 second |
| 17:11.44 | debian361 | 1 msec |
| 17:11.48 | debian361 | it finished right after i typed it |
| 17:11.51 | jelly | that's a bit suspicious. |
| 17:11.54 | debian361 | the same with the cd thing |
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| 17:12.07 | debian361 | it copied 160mb in 1sec to a 1gig usb drive from 2002 |
| 17:12.11 | debian361 | 1§msec |
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| 17:12.35 | debian361 | isnt it a bit suspicious |
| 17:12.37 | debian361 | that my usb device |
| 17:12.45 | debian361 | is not showing up in unity? |
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| 17:12.56 | debian361 | it only exists in the matrix atm |
| 17:13.03 | debian361 | but not in real world in the gui |
| 17:13.07 | jelly | debian361: alright, let's test it. pastebin the output of "sudo blkid". |
| 17:14.00 | debian361 | http://paste.debian.net/101035/ jelly |
| 17:14.36 | jelly | doesn't show anything on sda, hrm |
| 17:14.45 | debian361 | ya |
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| 17:14.52 | jelly | debian361: what does file -s /dev/sda, as root, say? |
| 17:15.25 | debian361 | jelly /dev/sda: x86 boot sector |
| 17:15.52 | debian361 | that sounds horrible i have a x64 system |
| 17:16.07 | TheQuestionmark | x86_64 |
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| 17:16.21 | debian361 | did we just write |
| 17:16.25 | debian361 | debian to my boot sector? |
| 17:16.50 | debian361 | lol |
| 17:16.52 | debian361 | rip in pepperoni m8 |
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| 17:16.59 | jhutchins | Mine says "sticky block special". |
| 17:17.11 | jelly | debian361: what does "file debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso" say? |
| 17:17.36 | debian361 | jelly debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso: x86 boot sector |
| 17:17.57 | jelly | so that seems sane. |
| 17:18.00 | jhutchins | On an x86_64 RH5 it's just " block special". |
| 17:18.05 | jelly | debian361: md5sum debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:18.18 | jelly | jhutchins: you forgot to -s |
| 17:18.28 | debian361 | jelly 9b08117cc235f3084948ab75a0f48861 debian-6.0.9-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:18.46 | jelly | that's correct |
| 17:19.24 | debian361 | ok? |
| 17:19.29 | debian361 | so what do i do next? |
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| 17:20.06 | jelly | debian361: now flush the cache and let's see whether the contents of the usb stick still look the same |
| 17:20.16 | debian361 | ok ill flush the cache |
| 17:20.40 | jelly | debian361: echo 3 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 17:20.42 | debian361 | do i take out my ramsticks and flush them in fresh water? |
| 17:20.47 | jelly | wtf |
| 17:21.17 | debian361 | jelly 3 |
| 17:21.19 | debian361 | is what it says |
| 17:21.22 | jelly | good |
| 17:21.42 | debian361 | i dont know how to flush my caches |
| 17:21.50 | jelly | debian361: you just did |
| 17:21.59 | debian361 | ok |
| 17:22.02 | jelly | debian361: now md5sum the usb stick itself, dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M count=168 | md5sum - |
| 17:22.03 | debian361 | whats next jelly |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | it should be exactly the same hex number |
| 17:22.28 | debian361 | it seems to take ages |
| 17:22.43 | debian361 | 168+0 records in 168+0 records out 176160768 bytes (176 MB) copied, 15,865 s, 11,1 MB/s 7e8674eae1f7dcb43895ee9c37221543 - |
| 17:23.00 | CeBe1 | hi, I just installed icedove mail on debian wheezy, added an imap account that contains 30000 mails. Worked fine while the import but now hangs and consumes all CPU about 1min after starting it. |
| 17:23.03 | jelly | debian361: did you write down netinst or CD-1? |
| 17:23.18 | abrotman | looks at nkuttler for repeating spam |
| 17:23.20 | debian361 | it was netinst |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly | debian361: then your usb stick is broken, sorry |
| 17:23.38 | CeBe1 | any idea where to look for to solve this? |
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| 17:23.48 | debian361 | how u know jelly |
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| 17:23.58 | CeBe1 | I have this working on an ubuntu in thunderbird without problems for a long time |
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| 17:24.08 | jelly | debian361: because it does not have the exact same data you just wrote to it |
| 17:24.38 | debian361 | ok |
| 17:24.41 | jelly | debian361: the dd command read 168MiB from the stick, exactly the same size as the iso image. |
| 17:24.55 | debian361 | ill get another usb stick |
| 17:24.57 | debian361 | i have a couple around |
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| 17:25.38 | jelly | debian361: repeat the dmesg / cp / sync / flush cache / dd|md5sum until you find a usb stick that actually holds whatever you write to it |
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| 17:26.56 | frostschutz | cmp instead of ddmd5sum |
| 17:27.28 | jelly | frostschutz: the device and the iso image are not the exact same size |
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| 17:27.39 | tete_ | no one who can help me with that spamassassin permission problem http://pastebin.com/ceFjzV67 ? |
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| 17:27.52 | frostschutz | if cmp says eof on file.iso, it's okay |
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| 17:28.31 | frostschutz | and if there is a difference, cmp will tell you where... much more informative |
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| 17:31.00 | mtn | tete_: so what are the permissions on the errored files/folders? |
| 17:31.18 | tete_ | drwxrwxr-x 3 amavis debian-spamd 4.0K May 4 18:21 3.003002 |
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| 17:31.46 | mtn | tete_: that isn't where the error is, is it? not according to your paste, anyway |
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| 17:32.09 | jhutchins | jelly: file -s /dev/sda sticky no read permission on both systems. Irrelevant, I know. |
| 17:32.13 | tete_ | my mistake, one second |
| 17:32.26 | tete_ | http://pastebin.com/hRa92Kcg |
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| 17:32.42 | tete_ | ok i understand the root one, but amavis:debian-spamd should work |
| 17:33.01 | tete_ | i mean its even complaining about the whole folder, isnt it |
| 17:33.08 | mtn | tete_: still not where the error complains about permissions. "config: path "/var/lib/spamassassin/3.003002" is inaccessible: Permission denied" |
| 17:33.27 | tete_ | um? |
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| 17:33.36 | mtn | tete_: it is your paste ;) |
| 17:33.38 | tete_ | thats the folder |
| 17:33.59 | jhutchins | jelly: Why both sync and flush? |
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| 17:35.18 | tete_ | mtn, the second paste is from inside the folder where its complaining. the first paste is the folder and .. |
| 17:35.35 | CeBe1 | Well, I have started icedove with -safe-mode once and started normally again and the problem seems to be gone.... |
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| 17:35.47 | mtn | tete_: I didn't see a paste on permissions for /var/lib/spamassassin |
| 17:35.52 | jelly | jhutchins: sorry. I meant "drop, clean out caches" not "flush" them which has a different meaning |
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| 17:36.42 | tete_ | mtn, one more time, same content but now with commands: http://pastebin.com/X7XyKJFM |
| 17:36.48 | jhutchins | jelly: Still, shouldn't sync be adequate? |
| 17:37.12 | jhutchins | tete_: I'd just let it run 10-15 minutes or more. |
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| 17:37.25 | tete_ | jhutchins ? |
| 17:37.51 | tete_ | the error comes from a cronjob |
| 17:38.02 | tete_ | its executed - i guess - all 2 hours or so |
| 17:38.13 | jelly | jhutchins: they do different things. drop caches ensures the readout from usb stick actually goes to usb stick for data instead of reading it from freshly populated vfs cache |
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| 17:38.59 | mtn | tete_: notice how all of the errored folders/files are not showing in your last paste? |
| 17:39.34 | tete_ | no mtn |
| 17:39.48 | tete_ | the folder 3.003002 does exist |
| 17:39.57 | mtn | tete_: so where is /var/lib/spamassassin/3.003002/languages |
| 17:40.01 | tete_ | also the languages file |
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| 17:40.20 | tete_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 amavis root 0 May 4 18:21 /var/lib/spamassassin/3.003002/languages |
| 17:40.28 | mtn | tete_: sorry, I see it now :) |
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| 17:41.49 | mtn | tete_: I don't see triplets.txt, though |
| 17:42.02 | tete_ | it can not access the whole folder |
| 17:42.08 | tete_ | see the first error message |
| 17:42.11 | mtn | tete_: and cron is running as which user? |
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| 17:42.36 | tete_ | mtn, good question, how can i figure that out? |
| 17:42.47 | tete_ | i guess it should run as amavis as its default install |
| 17:42.53 | mtn | tete_: how is cron being called? I am no expert on it, though |
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| 17:43.15 | tete_ | its executed as: |
| 17:43.21 | tete_ | 18 */3 * * * amavis test -e /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob && /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob sa-sync |
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| 17:44.11 | tete_ | when i execute that comand as user amavis i get the same error |
| 17:44.15 | mtn | tete_: ok, 3.003002 doesn't have write permissions for one thing |
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| 17:44.31 | tete_ | yes because not everybody should be able to write to that folder |
| 17:44.48 | mtn | tete_: your user can't write to it ;) |
| 17:44.54 | tete_ | but its the owner |
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| 17:45.31 | mtn | tete_: ok, like I said, no expert here. hopefully someone else will jump in |
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| 17:46.07 | tete_ | and when i do this as root i get: Please run this cronjob as user amavis |
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| 17:48.40 | pablo_mobile | Hi, apt-cdrom isn't working in debian 7.5 but in 7.4 is working perfectly, any ideas? |
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| 17:50.13 | ziftex | Hi. |
| 17:50.51 | ziftex | A qucik (stupid) question. when I do "ls -l" there is shown a number after premissions. what exact are that number? |
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| 17:52.37 | jelly | ziftex: "link count". The same file exist, be visible in more than one directory. Usually it has one, but some files have multiple. These are also called hard links. |
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| 17:53.26 | jelly | ziftex: notably, directories almost all have a link count of at least two. |
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| 17:58.03 | kittonian | hi all. i have a debian box setup running iptables acting as our LANs firewall/router but the fan has gotten really noisy and we need to replace it with something else. since we aren't doing very much with it except for ip masquerading, NAT, and blocking all incoming packets except for those we have specified to allow, and allowing all outgoing packets anywhere/anytime, I am looking for a more scaled down silent type of solution (d |
| 17:58.03 | kittonian | esktop and small, not rack mountable as we are doing away with our rack). any suggestions? |
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| 17:59.32 | wols_ | kittonian: ##hardware |
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| 18:07.39 | nitefall | kittonian do you have any interest in pfSense? |
| 18:08.10 | kittonian | while pfsense seems to be cool, their hardware appliances are pretty expensive and not available at the moment |
| 18:08.16 | deepy | I have a spare firenox II if you come to Sweden |
| 18:08.27 | deepy | firebox even |
| 18:08.27 | ziftex | jelly: thanks. |
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| 18:08.59 | nitefall | You could build your own box and put some pfSense on it too |
| 18:09.19 | nitefall | but I thinks that comes out to be about the same $$ unless you already have something laying about |
| 18:10.18 | nitefall | I have a spare Watchguard XTM 2 22 |
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| 18:11.01 | nitefall | how much power do you need behind this thing? How many peopls are you? and what kid of traffic are you pushing through your current box |
| 18:11.02 | nitefall | ? |
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| 18:12.05 | ziftex | this is here i would write about vYatta. if it where still open |
| 18:12.54 | kittonian | i looked at the lower end watchguard stuff and it's either too limiting or needs a bunch of optional add-ons and subscriptions |
| 18:12.59 | kittonian | we are two people |
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| 18:13.25 | kittonian | we push a lot of data (audio/video) as well as the normal office type of stuff (email, web, file transfers, etc.) |
| 18:13.34 | kittonian | we don't need any protection internally, just from the outside in |
| 18:13.36 | nitefall | then grab any old PC with a couple of GB ethernet cards |
| 18:13.43 | nitefall | and throw a copy of pfSense on it |
| 18:14.00 | jelly | debian361: if none of the stick seem to work, it's possible ubuntu tries to mount them and writes a bit on them |
| 18:14.05 | nitefall | what is the size of your interwebs connection? |
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| 18:15.47 | kittonian | we have a 50mb/20mb connection |
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| 18:16.20 | kittonian | and yes, i could build a small pc and throw a copy of linux or pfsense on it, but like i said I was hoping something appliance-like already existed that I could go buy today |
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| 18:19.05 | nitefall | well for that |
| 18:19.35 | nitefall | for two user and a 50 meg connection you could pick up an appliance for aboug $250-$300 |
| 18:19.42 | nitefall | does that work for you? |
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| 18:19.57 | debian361 | jelly |
| 18:20.03 | debian361 | when i plugged in the usb drive |
| 18:20.04 | debian361 | into windows |
| 18:20.06 | nitefall | $299 |
| 18:20.10 | debian361 | it says this drive has to be formatted |
| 18:20.12 | debian361 | before it can be used |
| 18:20.22 | debian361 | and when i formated |
| 18:20.28 | debian361 | i could only select 167 mb |
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| 18:21.14 | debian361 | is there any netinst |
| 18:21.19 | debian361 | that is under 167mb |
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| 18:22.19 | nitefall | kittonian does $300 work for you? |
| 18:22.34 | kittonian | nitefall: yes |
| 18:22.47 | nitefall | Well then... you can have some pfSense my friend |
| 18:22.54 | kittonian | not with gb ethernet |
| 18:22.58 | mtn | debian361: if you want to install debian, why don't you follow this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:23.01 | nitefall | http://store.netgate.com/NetgateAPU2.aspx |
| 18:23.02 | kittonian | and it's not available until june |
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| 18:23.13 | debian361 | mtn |
| 18:23.15 | debian361 | because |
| 18:23.17 | debian361 | users on this channel |
| 18:23.19 | nitefall | black case is available today |
| 18:23.21 | debian361 | gave wrong instructions |
| 18:23.26 | kittonian | never mind |
| 18:23.29 | debian361 | so i wrecked my usb memory stick |
| 18:23.34 | kittonian | that looks interesting |
| 18:23.35 | mtn | debian361: so, follow the right ones ;) |
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| 18:23.38 | debian361 | yeah |
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| 18:23.52 | debian361 | but now my usb memory is only capable of watever we had |
| 18:23.53 | mtn | debian361: and nothing we told you would wreck your usb stick. |
| 18:23.59 | debian361 | yes |
| 18:24.10 | debian361 | we didnt sync after copying over debian |
| 18:24.14 | debian361 | so now its stuck on 167 mb |
| 18:24.21 | nitefall | I am using it on a 50Mb connection with no problems |
| 18:24.28 | debian361 | mtn |
| 18:24.33 | debian361 | can you help me do a network install? |
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| 18:24.38 | lawr | Hello, I have no sound in wheezy. |
| 18:24.41 | lawr | root@lawr-debian:/home/lawr# alsactl init Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "VIA VT1705" "HDA:11064397,18490397,00100000" "0x1849" "0x0397" |
| 18:24.47 | debian361 | mtn |
| 18:24.49 | mtn | debian361: follow the instructions |
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| 18:24.53 | lawr | Not quite sure what I should do? |
| 18:24.54 | debian361 | no i follow you master |
| 18:25.00 | debian361 | your words is my command |
| 18:25.04 | somiaj | debian361: the filesystem is the exact size of the iso image you used, but the rest of the stick is just fine, once you are dnoe isntalling you can reformat the usb stick and get the full space back (though you then loose the usb stick as a recovery tool) |
| 18:25.09 | mtn | debian361: sorry, just read and do what it says |
| 18:25.30 | debian361 | somiaj |
| 18:25.34 | debian361 | the stick is 167 mb |
| 18:25.40 | debian361 | i cant format it back to the original size |
| 18:25.49 | debian361 | you guys recked it |
| 18:25.56 | debian361 | i plugged it into windows |
| 18:26.03 | debian361 | and it said "the drive has to be formatted" |
| 18:26.05 | mtn | heh windows |
| 18:26.13 | lawr | debian361: you can't do that using Windows default partitioning software |
| 18:26.20 | debian361 | irly |
| 18:26.24 | lawr | you need to download some partitioning software to reformat it |
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| 18:26.28 | debian361 | because ubuntu wont detect the disk anymore |
| 18:26.34 | somiaj | debian361: we said it would destroy all the data on it, but the actual hardware is just fine. Once you are done put a new partition table on it and format the full stick. |
| 18:26.40 | debian361 | and jelly said that the usb is now destroyed |
| 18:26.49 | lawr | it isn't |
| 18:26.54 | somiaj | the data is, the hardware isn't |
| 18:26.58 | lawr | just download some partition software and reformat it |
| 18:27.08 | debian361 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.10 | teclo- | heh W*ndows |
| 18:27.13 | debian361 | he told me |
| 18:27.19 | debian361 | to type a bunch of commands into ubuntu |
| 18:27.26 | debian361 | then he said, sorry the usb stick is broken |
| 18:27.27 | debian361 | LOL |
| 18:27.29 | lawr | when you write a Debian iso to a USB, it does mess things up, just reformat it |
| 18:27.37 | debian361 | i did |
| 18:27.44 | lawr | not properly |
| 18:27.48 | debian361 | it could not go past 167 mb |
| 18:27.58 | teclo- | you're not doing it properly debian361 |
| 18:28.10 | debian361 | why didnt the "official instructions" put the flash drive on the original size - 167mb? |
| 18:28.20 | teclo- | because you're doing it with W*ndows, which in most cases is not properly |
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| 18:28.28 | debian361 | ok |
| 18:28.31 | debian361 | ill plug it in here, fine |
| 18:28.37 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:28.45 | teclo- | debian361: well why didn't you find out that you should not write a .iso to a USB drive |
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| 18:29.24 | debian361 | teclo- WTF |
| 18:29.29 | debian361 | everyone here told me to do that |
| 18:29.31 | wols_ | debian361: ignore him |
| 18:29.40 | wols_ | teclo-: debian ISO files are hybrid images |
| 18:29.48 | babilen | teclo-: Writing the Debian images to USB sticks is perfectly fine. I've done it quite often. |
| 18:29.52 | debian361 | ok |
| 18:29.55 | teclo- | wols_: ah if the ISO is hybrid, then indeed it's correct |
| 18:29.58 | kittonian | nitefall: that Netgate appliance looks perfect. thanks so much for letting me know! |
| 18:30.04 | debian361 | i have plugged in the USB to ubuntu it says its a 176 MB volume |
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| 18:30.20 | wols_ | debian361: which sounds about right |
| 18:30.26 | debian361 | wtf |
| 18:30.29 | nitefall | kittonian I love the thing... I really has done wonders for me |
| 18:30.31 | debian361 | no its 1 GB originally |
| 18:30.43 | somiaj | debian361: the netinstall is a small install image, the image is a file system that exact size. |
| 18:30.50 | wols_ | debian361: you have create a 176MB filesystem. this is as it should be |
| 18:30.55 | debian361 | ok |
| 18:30.58 | babilen | debian361: You are probably referring to the original volume, while the reported size is that of the first partition. |
| 18:31.02 | debian361 | but i formatted it when i plugged into windows rofl |
| 18:31.03 | somiaj | debian361: the file system (partition) is only using the first 176megs of your usb drive, the rest of your usb drive is fine. We have told you this already. |
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| 18:31.18 | debian361 | somiaj |
| 18:31.22 | debian361 | why doesnt debian |
| 18:31.28 | debian361 | use the regular thing? |
| 18:31.35 | somiaj | if windows only formats the partition it will make it the same size as the partition/filesystem. You have to extend or repartition it to take the whole drive |
| 18:31.37 | debian361 | how do i reset it back to the original size? |
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| 18:31.51 | wols_ | debian361: you repartition it and create a filesystem |
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| 18:32.01 | debian361 | ok |
| 18:32.01 | babilen | debian361: Replug the stick please and show us the output of "dmesg|tail -n42" and "fdisk -l /dev/sdX" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick) on http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:32.01 | somiaj | debian361: debian uses a very nice set of tools, the hybrid iso I find really useful as you don't need speical tools to make them work. They are shiped ready to work you just have to copy the image correctly. |
| 18:32.03 | teclo- | debian361: well "regular" doesn't mean "what W*ndows does" |
| 18:32.20 | lawr | Anyone know how I can get sound to work? |
| 18:32.22 | lawr | really annoying |
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| 18:32.42 | babilen | lawr: What exactly isn't working? |
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| 18:33.05 | lawr | babilen: no audio output at all |
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| 18:33.19 | lawr | babilen: my sound card is intergrated, called "MCP61" |
| 18:33.22 | lawr | but I cannot find any fixes on Google |
| 18:33.24 | babilen | lawr: How do you test? |
| 18:33.39 | lawr | babilen: YouTube, Debian sound tests in GNome |
| 18:33.56 | lawr | messed about with pulseaudio and alsa, nothing works |
| 18:34.12 | debian361 | babilen http://paste.debian.net/101057/ |
| 18:34.13 | wols_ | lawr: MCP61 is your mainboard chipset. it's a normal AC97 soundcard |
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| 18:34.16 | Cpuroast | debian361: that's completely normaly, you could have a 32GB USB key and if you wrote a netinstall ISO to it, you'd en up with a ~200MB filesystem, not 32GB |
| 18:34.27 | debian361 | cpuroast |
| 18:34.30 | debian361 | except when i installed ubuntu |
| 18:34.35 | debian361 | it kept the original filesize |
| 18:34.48 | debian361 | minus the size of the installation |
| 18:34.50 | lawr | wols_: okay, so any ideas on why it isn't working? |
| 18:35.12 | Cpuroast | debian361: depends on what way you do it, it doesn't really matter, you'll only use the USB key once |
| 18:35.20 | Cpuroast | and then repartition it back to it's original size |
| 18:35.28 | somiaj | debian361: because ubuntu gives you different types of install images that required a special tool to make them bootable. |
| 18:35.34 | debian361 | then why did jelly tell me my USB drive was broken? |
| 18:35.38 | babilen | lawr: Okay, lets run some more low-level tests. But first check that you've unmuted the card in alsamixer. Run "alsamixer" and hit "m" to check that you don't have MM at the bottom. Mind showing me the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards", "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" and "aplay -L" on http://paste.debian.net ? Also run "speaker-test -t wav" and check if you hear something. |
| 18:35.40 | Cpuroast | it's not broken |
| 18:35.43 | debian361 | when i installed Ubuntu with it, a day ago |
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| 18:36.14 | debian361 | i pasted the commands i typed in |
| 18:36.33 | somiaj | debian361: people make mistakes, again, no need to keep taling about this. Do you want to install debian and if so you may have to rewrite the iso to the usb drive |
| 18:36.52 | somiaj | debian361: if you want to recover your usb drive, repartition it to a single partition and format it |
| 18:37.02 | debian361 | yes |
| 18:37.06 | debian361 | i want to have debian |
| 18:37.08 | debian361 | at the end of the day |
| 18:37.13 | debian361 | its been 6 hrs already |
| 18:37.15 | babilen | debian361: So, that looks about alright. What do you want to achieve now? |
| 18:37.25 | Megaf_ | Hi all |
| 18:37.27 | debian361 | whenever i copy over debian to the usb drive |
| 18:37.30 | Megaf_ | debian361: what's going on? |
| 18:37.39 | debian361 | and restart my computer, it goes straight into ubuntu, instead of the usb installation for debian |
| 18:37.40 | Megaf_ | you've been here for a while |
| 18:37.55 | Megaf_ | ok |
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| 18:38.08 | debian361 | and in my BIOS i selected on all 3 priorities different types of USB |
| 18:38.11 | Cpuroast | debian361: did you bother to pick the USB key in the boot menu? |
| 18:38.15 | Cpuroast | or in the BIOS boot order |
| 18:38.15 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 18:38.27 | debian361 | first i did USB-CDROM, USB-HD or watever and then another USB thingy |
| 18:38.33 | babilen | debian361: I saw that you've written a Debian squeeze (6.0.*) image to the USB stick earlier. Any particular reasong why you did that? But then, let me know what you want to achieve and we can work on that. |
| 18:38.34 | Megaf_ | debian361: the best way to put the Debian ISO on the USB thing is like this dd if=/path/to/iso.iso of=/dev/sdX && sync |
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| 18:38.50 | debian361 | i want to install debian 6.0.9 |
| 18:38.53 | debian361 | i have ubuntu currently |
| 18:38.55 | babilen | Megaf_: That is not true |
| 18:38.59 | cuxopop | but I know how to gut zum USB |
| 18:39.00 | lawr | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/101058 |
| 18:39.03 | debian361 | i got 1 gig usb drive |
| 18:39.06 | Megaf_ | it works babilen |
| 18:39.21 | debian361 | i installed ubuntu yesterday with this same USB drive |
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| 18:39.22 | Cpuroast | debian361: why Debian 6? and not Debian 7? |
| 18:39.25 | Megaf_ | debian361: you want Debian 6 because for the size of your usb drive? |
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| 18:39.34 | debian361 | no because i prefer gnome2 |
| 18:39.35 | babilen | Megaf_: So do other methods, but that one is not the "best" (you should at least choose a larger blocksize or use cp to begin with) |
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| 18:39.40 | Cpuroast | debian 6 is the old stable, debian 7 is the current debian |
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| 18:40.01 | debian361 | gnome3 looks like windows8 for me.. made for tablets or something |
| 18:40.04 | babilen | debian361: Do you have an EFI system? And why do you want 6.0.9 and not the current release if you don't mind me asking. |
| 18:40.09 | babilen | lawr: thanks |
| 18:40.15 | Megaf_ | debian361: you can install Debian 7 XFCE and than later install MATE, MATE is the new GNOME 2 |
| 18:40.22 | debian361 | i dont have EFI system. ubuntu broke my motherboard so i use my old one from 2007 |
| 18:40.23 | somiaj | Cpuroast: he wants debian 6 because he wants gnome 2 and not 3 and wanted to wait for jessie for mate |
| 18:40.44 | lawr | babilen: and this also: http://paste.debian.net/101059/ |
| 18:40.46 | Cpuroast | somiaj: I know |
| 18:40.49 | ctmjr | why not just one person help him instead 3 or 4 people throwing commands at him |
| 18:41.03 | somiaj | Megaf_: mate is not provided by the debian repos, the mate repos can be trobulesome and after listening to debian361 I don't think you want to try to get him to install unoffical stuff outside the debian repo. |
| 18:41.12 | debian361 | ^ |
| 18:41.14 | Cpuroast | yup, good idea I'm out of this discussio |
| 18:41.18 | babilen | lawr: You didn't paste the output of "aplay -L" -- you seem to have two soundcards. The issue is probably that the first (the nvidia one) is being used by default, but that you are expecting the integrated intel one to be used. Are you using Pulseaudio (if you don't know that's fine too) |
| 18:42.01 | lawr | babilen: I sent you aplay -L in a previous post, and I am using PuleAudio |
| 18:42.06 | debian361 | can i root into debian servers and install it without using a usb device? |
| 18:42.15 | debian361 | using bios or someting |
| 18:42.18 | debian361 | network installation |
| 18:42.29 | lawr | babilen: the outputs are confusing for a noob like me, I probably done that messing with ALSA and PuleAudio |
| 18:42.39 | Megaf_ | debian361: hold on, I will get the file you need |
| 18:42.52 | debian361 | megaf |
| 18:43.00 | debian361 | ill get gnome7 if u help me install MATE |
| 18:43.05 | Megaf_ | debian361: theres a disk image for net installing Debian 6 |
| 18:43.29 | Megaf_ | debian361: theres one little problem about MATE, its not really stable |
| 18:43.36 | Megaf_ | it might crash or cause headaches |
| 18:43.39 | debian361 | ok |
| 18:43.44 | debian361 | well ill stick to debian6 then |
| 18:43.46 | debian361 | until its stable |
| 18:43.49 | debian361 | in a couple of years |
| 18:44.02 | babilen | lawr: Yeah, sorry -- I saw your post later on. Okay, lets start with the basics and then configure Pulseadio at the end. Please run "alsamixer" and go through your devides by hitting F6 and unmute all channels with "m" and raise the volume levels. |
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| 18:44.30 | pablo_mobile | Cpuroast: Debian 7 is broken |
| 18:44.35 | Megaf_ | debian361: do you know if you want 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 18:44.39 | lawr | babilen: done |
| 18:44.41 | debian361 | ya its 64 bit |
| 18:44.43 | babilen | lawr: Once you have done that run the following commands and tell me if one of them lets you hear output (how do you test? what kind of hardware? is that working/on?) |
| 18:44.44 | pablo_mobile | Cpuroast: At least 7.5, 7.4 is fine |
| 18:45.01 | centrx | pablo_mobile, What are you referring to? |
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| 18:45.29 | Cpuroast | pablo_mobile: do you really think by Debian 7, I didn't mean Debian 7.5 |
| 18:45.30 | Cpuroast | ? |
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| 18:45.48 | Cpuroast | and when you do a netinstall, you get all the newest packages anyways |
| 18:45.53 | Cpuroast | which gives you 7.5 |
| 18:45.54 | lawr | babilen: Which commands? |
| 18:45.54 | Cpuroast | at the moment |
| 18:45.58 | pablo_mobile | centrx: My first statement 11:48 < pablo_mobile> Hi, apt-cdrom isn't working in debian 7.5 but in 7.4 is working perfectly, any ideas? |
| 18:45.59 | Megaf_ | debian361: whats your usb drive device? You can know that for sure if you plug it in and then type dmesg on a terminal |
| 18:46.01 | babilen | lawr: "speaker-test -t wav", "speaker-test -t wav -Ddefault:NVidia", "speaker-test -t wav -Dsysdefault:NVidia" and "speaker-test -t wav -Dfront:NVidia" |
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| 18:46.23 | debian361 | its already plugged in megaf_ |
| 18:46.28 | babilen | lawr: (I have to double check your output so I can't just type those command from memory :) |
| 18:46.31 | Megaf_ | debian361: unplog and plug it again then |
| 18:46.41 | debian361 | should i type the command while its unplugged ? |
| 18:46.41 | Megaf_ | debian361: it will be like, sdb or sdc |
| 18:47.00 | Megaf_ | unplug, then plug, then type dmesg |
| 18:47.16 | lawr | babilen: ok |
| 18:47.19 | lawr | babilen: they are all busy |
| 18:47.25 | lawr | "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy" |
| 18:47.26 | debian361 | what do i look for in dmesg? |
| 18:47.30 | debian361 | bunch of text |
| 18:47.39 | Megaf_ | debian361: the last 5 or so lines |
| 18:47.47 | babilen | lawr: Are you playing music somewhere else or is *anything* running that you know of that is currently accessing the adio device? |
| 18:47.48 | Megaf_ | you will see something about sdc or sdb |
| 18:47.51 | debian361 | [ 6820.169779] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] No Caching mode page found [ 6820.169786] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6820.171125] sda: sda1 [ 6820.174662] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] No Caching mode page found [ 6820.174668] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6820.174673] sd 16:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 18:48.00 | Megaf_ | sda? |
| 18:48.02 | Megaf_ | weird |
| 18:48.15 | lawr | babilen: ah, working now |
| 18:48.25 | debian361 | FAT-fs (sda1): unable to read boot sector to mark fs as dirty |
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| 18:48.31 | babilen | lawr: "working" as in you can hear something or "working" as in "no longer busy? |
| 18:48.41 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, just the be sure, unplug, type dmesg -c, then plug, then type dmesg again |
| 18:48.44 | lawr | no longer busy |
| 18:48.47 | lawr | babilen: I hear nothing |
| 18:48.58 | babilen | lawr: But none of those commands get you output? |
| 18:49.13 | lawr | they do have output |
| 18:49.18 | debian361 | FAT-fs (sda1): unable to read boot sector to mark fs as dirty |
| 18:49.23 | debian361 | ops |
| 18:49.24 | debian361 | wrong one |
| 18:49.25 | debian361 | [ 6926.413623] usb 2-5: USB disconnect, device number 15 |
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| 18:49.45 | babilen | lawr: Could you paste the output ? But you hear nothing? (did you answer the questions about your hardware?) |
| 18:50.04 | Megaf_ | debian361: what dmesg says after you plugged your device? |
| 18:50.07 | debian361 | its like 15 lines or 20 |
| 18:50.21 | Megaf_ | debian361: paste here > http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:50.26 | Megaf_ | please |
| 18:50.40 | lawr | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/101061/ |
| 18:50.49 | lawr | I hear nothing |
| 18:50.59 | Megaf_ | debian361: I just want to be really sure about this before we move on, because that might wipe your hard disk |
| 18:51.09 | Megaf_ | and we dont want that |
| 18:51.10 | debian361 | http://paste.debian.net/101062/ megaf_ |
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| 18:51.38 | wols_ | Megaf_: we've already been over this time and again. and then comes a jonny come lately like you and does not read anything in the logs and does it again. yes, /dev/sda is his usb stick |
| 18:51.56 | Megaf_ | wols_: that's really strange, I just wanted to be sure |
| 18:52.01 | Megaf_ | anyway, moving one |
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| 18:52.10 | Megaf_ | debian361: be logged as root on terminal |
| 18:52.11 | wols_ | Megaf_: and you do not even have the excuse to be arriving late. you've been here all the time |
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| 18:52.25 | debian361 | sudo -i right? |
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| 18:52.32 | Megaf_ | debian361: sudo bash |
| 18:52.46 | debian361 | now im root |
| 18:52.48 | wols_ | and when the written stick can't even read its boot sector, then it is a fried stick. |
| 18:52.50 | babilen | lawr: Okay, you tried all those commands and every single channel has been unmuted? (just double-checking) |
| 18:52.55 | lawr | babilen: yes |
| 18:53.05 | debian361 | wols_ how did i install ubuntu yesterday on this same drive? |
| 18:53.08 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, type curl to see if you have curl installed |
| 18:53.39 | babilen | lawr: Could you run "amixer scontrol" which should have output such as "Simple mixer control 'Master',0" and then run "amixer get Master" (for that example, adjust as necessary) ? |
| 18:53.41 | debian361 | ok i installed curl now |
| 18:54.02 | babilen | lawr: Sorry that this is taking so long, but I'd rather take it step by step. |
| 18:54.16 | Megaf_ | debian361: on a single line you need is, umount /dev/sda* && curl http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.9/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.9-amd64-businesscard.iso > /dev/sda |
| 18:54.22 | vlt | somiaj: The only locale that is only on wheezy (7) but not on squeeze (6) is "C.UTF-8". Hmmm ... |
| 18:54.36 | Megaf_ | debian361: this will get the Debian ISO and put straight into your flash drive |
| 18:54.38 | lawr | babilen: root@lawr-debian:/home/lawr# amixer scontrol amixer: Unknown command 'scontrol'... root@lawr-debian:/home/lawr# amixer control amixer: Unknown command 'control'... |
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| 18:54.53 | debian361 | megaf_ umount: /dev/sda: not mounted umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted |
| 18:54.54 | wols_ | Megaf_: you still haven't read the logs. please do before you continue |
| 18:54.56 | babilen | lawr: Ah, sorry. It is "scontrols" not "scontrol" |
| 18:55.06 | debian361 | wols_ whats ur problem |
| 18:55.33 | wols_ | debian361: you did the exact same things with at least 3 people helping you. and it everytime edned the same. notice something? |
| 18:55.40 | lawr | babilen: root@lawr-debian:/home/lawr# amixer get Master Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 42 Mono: Playback 42 [100%] [0.00dB] [on] |
| 18:55.42 | wols_ | debian361: I don't have a problem but you certainly do |
| 18:55.46 | debian361 | and 2 of the ppl told me to not sync |
| 18:55.56 | debian361 | and the 3rd one said always to sync |
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| 18:56.05 | babilen | debian361: Please keep it friendly - we all know that these things can be tiresome, but that is no reason to become irrate or angry. |
| 18:56.22 | wols_ | your problem is not sync. from all available data your problem is dead hardware |
| 18:56.29 | jhutchins | debian361: Now might be a good time to teak a break and do something else for a while. |
| 18:56.30 | nath_ | can anyone on here tell me hot to install the packet: 'youtube-dl' on debian stable? |
| 18:56.34 | debian361 | wols_ yet 10 people here said my drive isnt broken |
| 18:56.38 | nath_ | *how |
| 18:56.46 | Megaf_ | wols_: what part should I read? The part he plugged it on windows? |
| 18:57.06 | debian361 | and yesterday: on this same drive, i put on ubuntu from windows 7 and installed it, here you see me typing.... |
| 18:57.07 | jhutchins | nath_: Is it available as a Debian package? |
| 18:57.08 | wols_ | Megaf_: the whole log. it's by now a few hours. jelly, somiaj, etc. all tried to help him |
| 18:57.11 | babilen | lawr: Yeah, that is pretty much turned on :) -- How do you connect to that device? |
| 18:57.20 | nath_ | yes on testing and sit? |
| 18:57.20 | debian361 | so if it is fried its because jelly and somiaj |
| 18:57.22 | wols_ | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:57.22 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
| 18:57.24 | lawr | babilen: headphone port at the front |
| 18:57.27 | nath_ | *without '?' |
| 18:57.28 | lawr | of my machine |
| 18:57.30 | jhutchins | nath_: The downloader I installed was just an Iceweasel/Firefox add on. |
| 18:57.32 | Megaf_ | debian361: after you get Debian installed, I will say how you can get it to the full size again |
| 18:57.36 | wols_ | debian361: then I guess you have a layer 8 problem I guess |
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| 18:57.53 | Megaf_ | debian361: is curl running on terminal right now? |
| 18:57.56 | debian361 | yes |
| 18:57.59 | wols_ | nath_: as you can see, try the squeeze-backports or maybe do your own jessie backport |
| 18:58.01 | babilen | lawr: I find it curious that it is listed as mono though. Haven't come across a mono device in a while. |
| 18:58.03 | debian361 | i got this error umount: /dev/sda: not mounted umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted when i ran your script |
| 18:58.07 | debian361 | 2 lines |
| 18:58.11 | Megaf_ | debian361: not an error |
| 18:58.13 | Megaf_ | relax |
| 18:58.27 | babilen | lawr: Okay, please run "alsactl init" show me the output and run "speaker-test -t wav" again. |
| 18:58.29 | Megaf_ | we told Linux to umount it, in case it was mounted, but it wasnt |
| 18:58.40 | lawr | babilen: SOUND! |
| 18:58.41 | Megaf_ | nothing to worry about |
| 18:58.41 | debian361 | ok cool |
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| 18:58.47 | babilen | lawr: yay |
| 18:58.49 | lawr | babilen: I connected it to the port at the back |
| 18:58.58 | babilen | haha |
| 18:59.02 | lawr | kind of strange; my front port works on Windows |
| 18:59.17 | Megaf_ | debian361: about its being only 167 MB in size or so, thats because its divided in parts, and one part of it is 167 MB |
| 18:59.21 | debian361 | lawr welcome to the world of linux where nothing works unless you spend 10 hrs writing commands in cmd |
| 18:59.26 | lawr | babilen: What does mono mean? |
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| 18:59.35 | lawr | babilen: in this sense, ofc |
| 18:59.37 | babilen | lawr: Well, we can work on that later. You should have mentioned that you have multiple headphone outputs. |
| 18:59.43 | Megaf_ | debian361: believe me, it would take much longer with a mouse |
| 18:59.49 | babilen | lawr: It means "not stereo" or "one channel" |
| 19:00.11 | Megaf_ | debian361: its actually a single command to get the ISO on the usb drive, curl http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.9/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.9-amd64-businesscard.iso > /dev/sda |
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| 19:00.34 | babilen | lawr: Okay, so now that we have figured it out that it was, in fact, PEBKAC, we can work on getting the front output to work. |
| 19:00.36 | Megaf_ | debian361: the umount thing is like the windows for remove hardware safely, or something like that |
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| 19:00.51 | lawr | babilen: okay:) |
| 19:00.55 | debian361 | ok megaf i wrote that and it finished in one second and gave me a table of bunch of stuff |
| 19:01.10 | debian361 | or pretty much instantly after i wrotei t |
| 19:01.23 | babilen | lawr: Please install "pavucontrol" which is the control GUI for Pulseaudio. Run it and you should have a drop-down menu in the "Configuration" tab there. |
| 19:01.27 | Megaf_ | debian361: can you place copy and paste that on paste.debian.net again? |
| 19:01.30 | Megaf_ | please* |
| 19:01.31 | debian361 | sure |
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| 19:01.52 | debian361 | http://paste.debian.net/101063/ megaf_ |
| 19:02.00 | Megaf_ | wols_: I'm used to new with newcomers |
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| 19:02.08 | babilen | lawr: I am not too sure about multiple outputs and how they are configured, but it *might* be that they are listed there (either in the drop-down menu or as an independent device) -- if they are try selecting them. |
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| 19:02.36 | lawr | babilen: Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK |
| 19:02.43 | lawr | okay, I will have a look |
| 19:02.45 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, I think you did the curl thing twice, one when I told you the first command and again now? |
| 19:02.49 | lawr | when I get it running |
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| 19:02.52 | Megaf_ | debian361: That should be a problem |
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| 19:02.56 | Megaf_ | shouldnt* |
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| 19:03.11 | debian361 | yeah you typed it to me so i typed it as well |
| 19:03.21 | debian361 | the first time it said my drives werent mounted though |
| 19:03.21 | Megaf_ | debian361: so, are you ready to rock now? |
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| 19:03.27 | debian361 | yes sir |
| 19:03.34 | Megaf_ | ok, just one last check |
| 19:03.44 | babilen | lawr: Oh, which desktop environment or window manager do you use and how do you start it? |
| 19:03.55 | lawr | babilen: fixed |
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| 19:04.04 | babilen | lawr: What was it? |
| 19:04.38 | Megaf_ | debian361: dmidecode | grep Name |
| 19:04.44 | vlt | Hello. Using the mysql client on Debian 6 (oldstable) I get a @@character_set_client "latin1" as described in the manpage but on a fresh Debian 7 I get "utf8" now though the manpage still says "latin1" is used by default. The default locale on both systems is de_DE.UTF8. Any idea whether and where this has changed? |
| 19:04.52 | Megaf_ | this command will show us the model of your motherboard |
| 19:04.54 | babilen | lawr: "pulseaudio -k" + "pulseaudio -D" ? |
| 19:05.04 | Megaf_ | debian361: dmidecode | grep Name |
| 19:05.07 | debian361 | Product Name: OEM Product Name: AB9/AB9RPO(Intel965+ICH8) |
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| 19:05.40 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, wait a minute please |
| 19:05.58 | lawr | babilen: just "pulseaudio" trying to get the front port to work now |
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| 19:06.10 | Megaf_ | yep, not EFI |
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| 19:06.22 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, type a last command on terminal |
| 19:06.24 | debian361 | and abit went out of business |
| 19:06.25 | debian361 | lol |
| 19:06.27 | Megaf_ | debian361: sync |
| 19:06.30 | debian361 | ok |
| 19:06.46 | Megaf_ | hopefully you will not need the terminal ever again |
| 19:06.54 | debian361 | didnt give me a response but it went through |
| 19:06.59 | babilen | lawr: How do you start your xsession? |
| 19:07.19 | Megaf_ | debian361: the sync command just assures that what is supposed to be writen to the disk/drive is writen |
| 19:07.24 | lawr | babilen: it load up normally |
| 19:07.31 | lawr | babilen: using GNOME 3 |
| 19:07.41 | lawr | launches at startup |
| 19:07.44 | Megaf_ | debian361: do you remember what options you have at your bios related to boot^? |
| 19:07.47 | debian361 | megaf_ one thing is it possible to test the usb drive+installation live here? like through virtualbox or something |
| 19:07.58 | Megaf_ | debian361: sure |
| 19:08.15 | babilen | lawr: Okay, that should have initialised pulseaudio as a per-user daemon during the startup. Not sure why you had to start it explicitly. |
| 19:08.22 | debian361 | otherwise ill go on my other computer and paste in the options in bios here |
| 19:08.27 | Megaf_ | debian361: remove your drive, then apt-get install -y qemu |
| 19:08.33 | babilen | s/startup/loading the session/ |
| 19:08.44 | Megaf_ | debian361: then plug your drive, then qemu -hda /dev/sda |
| 19:08.51 | Megaf_ | as simple as that |
| 19:09.09 | lawr | babilen: I didn't have to? |
| 19:09.16 | lawr | babilen: everything loaded up fine |
| 19:09.24 | lawr | I had to start pavucontrol via the terminal |
| 19:09.26 | pablo_mobile | GNOME3 SUCKS! apt is working finally, GNOME was stealing access to the CD-ROM |
| 19:09.40 | babilen | lawr: Yeah, but then it complained that PA is not running |
| 19:09.42 | debian361 | pablo_mobile debian 6.0.9 is the cure |
| 19:09.50 | lawr | babilen: not anymore |
| 19:10.30 | babilen | lawr: Well, yeah .. you manually executed "pulseaudio" which started it. I am wondering why it wasn't started in the first place. Either way: found the front output? |
| 19:10.32 | Megaf_ | I like Debian 6.0.9 too, Im installing a server with Debian 6 right now actually |
| 19:10.40 | lawr | babilen: nope |
| 19:10.46 | GreenCloud | we are all struggling w gnome3 |
| 19:10.58 | Megaf_ | I'm using XFCE |
| 19:11.05 | lawr | everything here should use TeamViewer |
| 19:11.09 | GreenCloud | xfce looks like poo |
| 19:11.12 | lawr | would be so much coolerxD |
| 19:11.17 | debian361 | megaf_ i did that |
| 19:11.21 | debian361 | its doing stuff in terminal |
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| 19:11.26 | debian361 | my mouse disappeared for 20 seconds |
| 19:11.33 | debian361 | and now ubuntu encountered an error |
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| 19:11.41 | Megaf_ | I hate Ubuntu |
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| 19:11.53 | debian361 | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 19:11.56 | Megaf_ | debian361: ok, paste that on paste.debian again please |
| 19:11.58 | debian361 | should i post in the entire thing |
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| 19:12.10 | Megaf_ | debian361: feel free to paste as much as you want |
| 19:12.33 | babilen | lawr: Sorry, that concludes what I can walk you through from the top of my brain. Give me a second to research the issue. |
| 19:12.39 | babilen | *head |
| 19:12.42 | GreenCloud | ubuntu is fine |
| 19:12.44 | debian361 | http://paste.debian.net/101067/ megaf_ |
| 19:12.56 | lawr | babilen: okay, thanks for your help so far |
| 19:13.10 | Megaf_ | debian361: wow, I have never see that |
| 19:13.13 | babilen | GreenCloud: That really doesn't add anything to the discussion and I would kindly ask you to take it elsewhere. |
| 19:13.59 | Megaf_ | debian361: anyway, you should be good to go, the BIOS option you should use is something like, usb disk, or usb floppy or something usb, but not usb cd |
| 19:14.22 | Megaf_ | ok? |
| 19:14.23 | lawr | babilen: I launch pavucontrol, what am I looking for? |
| 19:14.28 | debian361 | ya ok |
| 19:14.35 | debian361 | ill try |
| 19:14.40 | Megaf_ | debian361: it would be really cool if you had anothe computer |
| 19:14.41 | debian361 | otherwise ill launch irc on windows |
| 19:14.47 | Megaf_ | to keep talking to us |
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| 19:14.53 | debian361 | ill get it |
| 19:15.26 | babilen | lawr: Oh, and you might want to run "alsactl init ; alsactl store" as root to save the current configuration. (otherwise you will be nagged during boot) |
| 19:15.27 | Megaf_ | debian361: anyway, be very careful when partitioning ok? you may want to use the graphical installed when you boot the installer from your usb |
| 19:16.09 | lawr | babilen: maybe I should just use a backport |
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| 19:16.18 | babilen | lawr: I don't really know what you are looking. I am currently trying to familiarise with the codepaths that deal with multiple concurrent outputs (don't own hardware like that and you are the first for whom I have to debug this) |
| 19:16.21 | debian361_ | ok |
| 19:16.36 | babilen | lawr: We will not accept defeat! ;) |
| 19:16.54 | lawr | babilen: my case has a front port |
| 19:16.56 | debian361_ | megaf |
| 19:16.59 | debian361_ | im trying it now |
| 19:17.02 | Megaf_ | ok |
| 19:17.04 | Megaf_ | good luck |
| 19:17.11 | lawr | babilen: I usually have my headphones in there, but that port isn't working but works in Windows |
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| 19:17.17 | babilen | lawr: Yeah, the question is: "What does it present as to the operating system or soundcard?" |
| 19:17.17 | lawr | babilen: that is simply the problem |
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| 19:17.40 | debian361_ | megaf it goes straight into ubuntu |
| 19:17.40 | lawr | babilen: fixed problem |
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| 19:17.57 | lawr | babilen: everything works now, thanks for your help |
| 19:18.06 | babilen | lawr: What did you do? |
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| 19:18.19 | lawr | babilen: unplugged a broken USB sound device |
| 19:18.24 | babilen | haha |
| 19:18.25 | lawr | babilen: idk what happened |
| 19:18.27 | babilen | fuck |
| 19:18.51 | lawr | loll |
| 19:18.58 | babilen | lawr: So, front and back outputs are working fine now and you are a happy lawr? |
| 19:19.05 | lawr | babilen: yes:) |
| 19:19.09 | babilen | Wonderful |
| 19:19.10 | lawr | thanks much for your help |
| 19:19.15 | babilen | dpkg: champagne |
| 19:19.17 | dpkg | babilen: i haven't a clue |
| 19:19.21 | babilen | :( |
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| 19:19.58 | babilen | lawr: You are most welcome -- listen to some good music now! :) |
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| 19:20.07 | debian361 | oh i didnt change boot priority to the usb |
| 19:20.09 | debian361 | in bios |
| 19:20.13 | babilen | "oops" |
| 19:20.16 | lawr | babilen: I sure will |
| 19:20.23 | debian361 | but its stick on Verifying DMI Pool Data ........... in BIOS |
| 19:20.28 | debian361 | stuck* |
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| 19:20.39 | lawr | babilen: I am going to use the backport for more room at the front, my headphone cable is short so I am using an old adapter I found laying on the floor |
| 19:20.45 | lawr | babilen: please let there be no spiders on it... |
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| 19:20.51 | lawr | covered in dust |
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| 19:22.18 | debian361 | im trying to boot from USB and it says "Verifying DMI Pool Data ................." Does anyone have a solution? |
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| 19:23.01 | bbtech | How do I upgrade libc6-dev to the version in testing? The following command doesn't do anything: sudo apt-get -V -t testing install libc6-dev |
| 19:23.06 | mtn | debian361: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000474.htm |
| 19:23.09 | bbtech | paste here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zpMV8ck2 |
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| 19:23.29 | mtn | debian361: usually, bad device |
| 19:23.33 | centrx | bbtech, If you are on wheezy/stable, that is likely to break your system |
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| 19:23.44 | centrx | bbtech, You can upgrade in entirety to testing |
| 19:23.44 | bbtech | centrx, I am :-( |
| 19:23.46 | Mousey | bbtech: do apt-cache policy libc6-dev, figure out which version# is testing, then apt-get install libc6-dev=versionnumber |
| 19:23.51 | debian361 | mtn i installed ubuntu using this device yesterday |
| 19:23.57 | mtn | debian361: so? |
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| 19:24.22 | debian361 | it was because i did the partioning on windows |
| 19:24.23 | wols_ | bbtech: why do you need a libc from testing? |
| 19:24.28 | debian361 | ubuntu broke it alll mtn |
| 19:24.45 | bbtech | wols_, I was hoping to install pixeluvo |
| 19:24.49 | mtn | debian361: if it is broken, it is broken. get another one ;) |
| 19:25.13 | wols_ | bbtech: installing an important library like libc6 from testing is a very quick way to destroy your debian installation |
| 19:25.19 | bbtech | wols_, well, I did install pixeluvo but it is complaining that I am missing: GLIBC_2.15 |
| 19:25.26 | debian361 | mtn it isnt broken |
| 19:25.32 | debian361 | linux sucks at creating bootable usb |
| 19:25.41 | debian361 | i plugged it into windows, and it fixed it |
| 19:25.44 | wols_ | s/linux/debian361/ |
| 19:25.51 | debian361 | it said it was broken and it had a solution |
| 19:25.54 | mtn | debian361: one of the easist things I have ever done on a computer ;) |
| 19:26.02 | wols_ | debian361: and now it's not bootable anymore. congrats! |
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| 19:26.30 | debian361 | wols_ its empty |
| 19:26.34 | debian361 | there never was debian on it |
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| 19:26.50 | debian361 | now my usb device is 160mb as well |
| 19:26.52 | Megaf | what are you talking about debian361? |
| 19:26.56 | bbtech | ok, sounds like I either need to upgrade to testing entirely or forget about pixeluvo. Thanks for the help! :-) |
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| 19:27.07 | Megaf | debian361: did it boot? |
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| 19:28.29 | debian361 | megaf i didnt change the right setting in bios, but it got to Verifying DMI pool data......." then it got stuck, so i plugged the usb into windows and it said it was broken and empty so it autofixed |
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| 19:28.43 | debian361 | before, i put in the right harddisk priority |
| 19:28.53 | Megaf | man |
| 19:28.55 | debian361 | now its empty |
| 19:28.59 | Megaf | pff |
| 19:29.16 | Megaf | windows doest know how to deal with any thing that is not windows, is so stupid |
| 19:29.18 | debian361 | http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000474.htm |
| 19:29.20 | Megaf | it wasnt broken |
| 19:29.26 | debian361 | mtn said it was broken |
| 19:29.31 | debian361 | so i plugged it into windows |
| 19:29.33 | debian361 | to check it |
| 19:29.40 | mtn | debian361: no I didn't say that, you did! |
| 19:29.49 | debian361 | you said it was broken |
| 19:30.05 | mtn | debian361: don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that. |
| 19:30.09 | debian361 | <mtn> debian361: if it is broken, it is broken. get another one ;) |
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| 19:30.22 | mtn | debian361: you said: [12:25] <debian361> mtn it isnt broken |
| 19:30.50 | debian361 | well windows repaired the drive |
| 19:30.53 | debian361 | so its all good |
| 19:30.58 | mtn | snort |
| 19:31.20 | debian361 | now waht do i do to install debian thru windows, because through ubuntu it gets stuck at verifying dmi pool data |
| 19:31.22 | Megaf | ok |
| 19:31.25 | Megaf | I give up |
| 19:31.31 | Megaf | wols_: you were right |
| 19:31.37 | Megaf | debian361: just use windows ok? |
| 19:31.41 | debian361 | megaf |
| 19:31.43 | debian361 | http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000474.htm |
| 19:31.49 | debian361 | so u had a solution for this? |
| 19:32.00 | wols_ | debian361: under windows http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
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| 19:32.16 | debian361 | u mean just use ubuntu |
| 19:32.21 | debian361 | becasue thats what im using |
| 19:32.36 | wols_ | debian361: then please continue to do so. have a nice day and good luck |
| 19:32.40 | debian361 | wols_ im installing that |
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| 19:33.08 | debian361 | should i put the flash drive at 1GB or keep it at 167mb and use a smaller version of debian |
| 19:33.28 | Megaf | wols_: mtn: is this usb bootable? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.9/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.9-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 19:33.32 | Megaf | I remember it is |
| 19:33.40 | mtn | debian361: follow the link I gave you two times and come back if it does NOT work |
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| 19:33.56 | wols_ | Megaf: afaik yes, but one shouldn't use it. no point |
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| 19:34.06 | wols_ | there is no businesscard for wheezy anymore either |
| 19:34.07 | mtn | debian361: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:35.21 | keith4 | I have a package force installed while missing a dependency (that it doesn't actually need, turns out), and i'd like to just keep is this way. is there a way to tell apt/aptitude to ignore this indefinitely? |
| 19:35.39 | debian361 | https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 19:35.46 | debian361 | here in the bottom it says for USB devices |
| 19:35.58 | debian361 | but if i click on it i get to some werid website, how do i download the iso? ty |
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| 19:36.27 | debian361 | and i noticed yall got angry when i said i put it in windows but im trying to get debian in the end thats all |
| 19:36.38 | wols_ | debian361: I told you before that this is NOT the right one to use |
| 19:36.49 | debian361 | wols_ i must have missed that |
| 19:37.18 | debian361 | why shouldnt the one called "other images (netboot, usb stick, etc.)" "usb stick" used? |
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| 19:39.10 | frostschutz | debian361, I use this, but you need grub http://bpaste.net/show/291087/ http://bpaste.net/show/291091/ |
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| 19:39.31 | vook | debian361: you can usually use the netinst CD image, just download the ISO, and cp it to your usb device e.g. "cp netinst.iso /dev/sdc" |
| 19:40.03 | wols_ | and the next one comes trying to "help" debian361 without reading the log what came before |
| 19:40.28 | debian361 | LOL windows even warns me before writing to my usb device "Writing to a physical device can corrupt the device (Target Device [F:\] " ") Are you sure you want to continue? Gj boys |
| 19:40.31 | mtn | wols_: well, it has been hours :P |
| 19:40.38 | vook | oh do forgive, save your wrath. I just joined. |
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| 19:41.26 | debian361 | vook |
| 19:41.30 | debian361 | im on windows |
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| 19:41.43 | mtn | no longer cares |
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| 19:41.48 | debian361 | i wonder |
| 19:41.55 | debian361 | is #windows more helpful then debian? |
| 19:42.05 | babilen | debian361: You would want the -netinstall- or -CD1- image you mentioned earlier. |
| 19:42.16 | babilen | debian361: Give it a try! |
| 19:42.23 | debian361 | babilen, but because of all the helpers, my USB device is stuck at 167mb |
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| 19:43.00 | babilen | debian361: No, it is not. As I said about an hour ago: It looks perfectly fine. (and then you just stopped answering my questions) |
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| 19:43.11 | mtn | I usually see these kinds of conversatons on the #linuxmint channel ;) |
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| 19:43.22 | debian361 | im 100% positive if i can get back my usb device to 1 GB, the OG size, and i use unetbootin in windows to write the CD-1 image it will boot |
| 19:43.28 | debian361 | because I did that 2 weeks ago with debian 7 |
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| 19:43.46 | debian361 | babilen |
| 19:44.00 | babilen | debian361: If you plug it into Debian and run the "dmesg|tail -n42" command you will clearly see that it is recognised as a 1gb stick, but that the first partition is 167mb. You simply have to repartition that one (e.g. with fdisk) and create a partition that uses the entire device. |
| 19:44.05 | debian361 | it is 167 mb and if i try to reformat it it cant go past 167mb |
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| 19:44.18 | babilen | debian361: unetbootin breaks our images |
| 19:44.27 | debian361 | babilen im on windows right now, do you know what that tool is called in windows? |
| 19:44.29 | debian361 | to partition |
| 19:44.31 | wols_ | debian361: and if you run "diskmgmt.msc" in widnows you can easily partition it to 1GB again and format it to FAT32 if you want to |
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| 19:45.04 | arcke | how can it be facebook in iceweasel and chromium is suddenly not responding, when it used to be auto-reloading and auto-decorating my messages? |
| 19:45.19 | babilen | debian361: "reformat" simply means "create a new filesystem" -- that is *not* what you want. You want to delete the current partition on the stick and replace that with a new one that spans the entire device. You can use tools such as fdisk or gparted for that. |
| 19:45.46 | babilen | debian361: And no, I am not supporting MS Windows. (nor does this channel) |
| 19:45.53 | Megaf | [16:42:26] <debian361> babilen, but because of all the helpers, my USB device is stuck at 167mb |
| 19:45.57 | Megaf | for fucks sake! |
| 19:46.08 | babilen | Relax please. |
| 19:46.10 | Megaf | That's just a PARTITION |
| 19:46.13 | babilen | yes |
| 19:46.28 | debian361 | ya i see |
| 19:46.35 | Megaf | Windows really make people really stupid |
| 19:46.39 | debian361 | in that thingy wols_ sent me, i see that 841mb is free |
| 19:46.45 | Megaf | they think they understand but they know nothing |
| 19:47.01 | debian361 | but how do i delete the partition for my usb device |
| 19:47.04 | debian361 | to allocate a new one |
| 19:47.15 | Megaf | debian361: man, first things first |
| 19:47.16 | babilen | debian361: Yes, that is the unpartitioned space. Create a partition as you like it and live happily ever after. |
| 19:47.28 | Megaf | first you need to get that thing booted and then install Debian |
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| 19:48.13 | debian361 | babilen i cant seem to delete the 167 mb partition of the drive |
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| 19:48.31 | babilen | debian361: Which command are you using and what have you tried exactly? |
| 19:48.38 | Megaf | debian361: Just use this and then later we will "fix" your usb drive, and later we install MATE too |
| 19:48.39 | Megaf | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 19:49.11 | debian361 | but a guy told me MATE is unstable and will crash my system and cause headaches |
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| 19:49.27 | Megaf | debian361: I told that |
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| 19:49.32 | debian361 | so id rather stick with 6.0.9 until it becomes stable |
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| 19:49.45 | Megaf | debian361: it will work fine if you use it as a normal desktop |
| 19:49.48 | centrx | Does 6.0.9 even have MATE? |
| 19:49.59 | Megaf | centrx: that would be for Debain 7 |
| 19:50.22 | debian361 | ill use gnome6.0.9 |
| 19:50.27 | debian361 | to be on the safe side m8 |
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| 19:50.47 | debian361 | i need to delete this partiot |
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| 19:51.45 | Megaf | debian361: control panel > advanced system utilities or something like that > computer management or something like that > disks managament or something like that |
| 19:52.04 | Megaf | or, if you use Linux, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 19:52.36 | Megaf | debian361: Just use this tool https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 19:52.46 | Megaf | debian361: no need for usb drive or disk or anythinhg |
| 19:52.48 | debian361 | megaf |
| 19:52.50 | Megaf | it works by magic |
| 19:52.55 | Megaf | debian361: and install XFCE then |
| 19:52.57 | debian361 | the system i want to install debian on |
| 19:53.00 | debian361 | is running ubuntu |
| 19:53.19 | Megaf | takes a long and deep breath |
| 19:54.00 | debian361 | im in disk management |
| 19:54.02 | mtn | worst troll ever |
| 19:54.04 | jmcnaught | debian361: could you please stop using "enter" for punctuation. the channel gets really hard to follow when there are so many short lines |
| 19:54.06 | debian361 | how do i delete this 167mb partition |
| 19:54.17 | wols_ | debian361: ask ##windows |
| 19:54.25 | debian361 | im in windows but no one responded |
| 19:54.34 | babilen | debian361: So, just for the sake of the argument, would you mind downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso and write that to your USB with "cp firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (replace /dev/sdX with your stick) -- Can you boot that? |
| 19:54.35 | debian361 | the end goal is to get debian anyhow |
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| 19:55.04 | mtnman | hello |
| 19:55.06 | debian361 | babilen if you want to ill do that |
| 19:55.13 | Megaf | debian361: on windows, use this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:55.20 | babilen | debian361: You can use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write the image from windows |
| 19:55.21 | Megaf | to get the Debian ISO to your usb drive |
| 19:55.26 | babilen | Megaf: NO, not unetbootin |
| 19:55.31 | babilen | it breaks our images |
| 19:55.33 | debian361 | yes i want to use unetbootin, it has worked in past to install debian on my pc |
| 19:55.35 | Megaf | babilen: isnt there command line only? |
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| 19:55.56 | vook | debian361: what not use your ubuntu system to create the usb drive. This would solve your problems. |
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| 19:56.10 | babilen | debian361: Are you willing to do this now and follow instructions or not? |
| 19:56.32 | debian361 | ok unetbootin is working, its copying files to my drive now |
| 19:56.40 | debian361 | if this doesnt work i want to try yours babilen |
| 19:56.48 | babilen | debian361: Okay, good luck. I'm out. |
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| 19:57.46 | jmcnaught | debian361: unetbootin doesn't work for debian images, which has been stated multiple times. also please consider using commas or periods instead of hitting enter. there's no reason for you to use so many lines. |
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| 19:59.04 | zykotick9 | babilen: jmcnaught while i agree with both of you - unetbootin should be avoided. it also _can_ work sometimes, when regular cd/usb debian media does not... unetbootin <- avoid always, except when you need it. |
| 19:59.51 | babilen | ack |
| 20:00.08 | debian361 | jmcnaught what else should i do, when i did through ubuntu, it gets stuck on verifying DMI pool data, and if i put that usb in the windows it confirms thats its not functioning |
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| 20:00.24 | babilen | debian361: Use the suggested tools. |
| 20:00.45 | debian361 | unetbootin doesnt have enough space on the usb its 167 mb only |
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| 20:05.17 | pablo_mobile | debian361: Yes, the only one |
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| 20:07.04 | debian361 | the only one what, pablo? por vafor |
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| 20:09.05 | mtnman | hello. how can i inspect/rerun a post-removal script that failed? |
| 20:09.05 | debian361 | im writing the bussiness card debian version of 6.0.9 to my usb disk (50mb) using unetbottin in windows |
| 20:09.27 | wols_ | mtnman: remove the package again |
| 20:10.08 | mtnman | well that reruns the script with the same failure mode as a result. how can i inspect it? |
| 20:10.10 | zykotick9 | debian361: do you have access to a gnu/linux install of some sort? if required, "sudo -i", then "cat debian-foo.iso > /dev/sdX" where X is the letter ONLY for your usb drive, NO PARTITION NUMBER! then to be extra careful, "sync". once that's finished you should have a bootable debian netinst/cd1/dvd1 whatever you've downloaded. the current partition setup will be overwritten btw. |
| 20:10.44 | babilen | (or use the suggested window image writer) |
| 20:10.47 | frostschutz | why debian 6.0.9 anyway |
| 20:10.50 | jhutchins | zykotick9: We're back at the beginning of the circle again. |
| 20:10.51 | debian361 | yes i have ubuntu |
| 20:10.59 | debian361 | can u help me with it? |
| 20:11.04 | babilen | frostschutz: Gnome 3 is the horror |
| 20:11.05 | mtnman | needs to inspect the post-removal script. it seems to have an error |
| 20:11.16 | wols_ | zykotick9: so you want to be number 5 going through this spiel with him? |
| 20:11.25 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: if it's on windows, i think they should be asking in ##windows... |
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| 20:11.35 | zykotick9 | wols_: maybe the 5th times the charm ;) |
| 20:11.40 | vook | or at least #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:12.20 | babilen | wols_: It would help if debian361 would actually follow instructions given by one person from start to finish :) |
| 20:12.54 | debian361 | they ditch me and then it d oesnt work and then i cant install |
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| 20:13.18 | babilen | tried to get him/her to write the debian 7 firmware netinstall image with the win32diskimager, but that attempt was soon abandoned in favour of unetbootin. I decided that it is not worth to force the issue. |
| 20:13.19 | vook | debian361: babilen never ditched you, you just didn't follow the instructions given |
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| 20:13.37 | CeBe1 | babilen: what's so bad about gnome 3? imo its the best desktop env I've ever used ;) |
| 20:14.12 | Mousey | you must not be a techy |
| 20:14.20 | debian361 | win32diskimager gave warning that it could corrupt my usb device, how can i trust that exactly? im using the bussines card version and installing on my 167mb usb device |
| 20:14.21 | Mousey | actually, you might be a dev |
| 20:14.34 | babilen | CeBe1: I have no problem at all with Gnome 3 and would even use it if I weren't so used to tiling window managers now. The need to keep on using Gnome 2 is the reason why debian361 wants to install Debian squeeze rather than wheezy. |
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| 20:15.04 | Mousey | MATE is a reasonable facsimile to GNOME 2 |
| 20:15.08 | CeBe1 | isn't there a gnome2 package for wheezy? |
| 20:15.09 | Mousey | also available in the repos |
| 20:15.11 | jhutchins | debian361: That is becaunetbootin WILL overwrite the device, and if it fails you could have a corrupt filesystem. |
| 20:15.14 | abrotman | Mousey: MATE should die |
| 20:15.16 | babilen | debian361: Please use the image I linked earlier and just write it with the image writer. |
| 20:15.26 | zykotick9 | abrotman: agreed, but so should gnome2 ;) |
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| 20:15.29 | jhutchins | debian361: Or win32diskmanager, either one has the same risk. |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | wonders which of five people are helping debian361 .... |
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| 20:16.04 | babilen | abrotman: We all are (currently for worse than better) |
| 20:16.09 | debian361 | hahahahhaha this is so funny |
| 20:16.20 | abrotman | babilen: with conflicting instructions? |
| 20:16.32 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:16.34 | debian361 | now debian is booting, using unetbootin and windows. i wanted to do that first but yall said no use ubuntu |
| 20:16.35 | vook | abrotman: helping him on his terms requires offering support for third party windows tools |
| 20:16.46 | CeBe1 | default debian wheezy install has a GNOME classic login option which is quite like gnome2... |
| 20:16.51 | babilen | I strongly believe that we could figure this out if debian361 would finally start to follow the advice given by *one person* from start to finish. It doesn't really matter whose advice even |
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| 20:17.09 | CeBe1 | did not follow the conversation here but maybe that solves all the problems :) |
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| 20:17.16 | debian361 | babilen its booting now using my own advice..go figure i said to yall i wanted to use unetbootin with windows |
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| 20:17.24 | ctmjr | this is so sad |
| 20:17.29 | babilen | debian361: Let us know once the installer can't find the CD image and come back, okay? |
| 20:17.33 | mtn | has run out of popcorn two times already |
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| 20:17.38 | babilen | hehe |
| 20:17.43 | debian361 | babilen yet i dont want to continue with the installation |
| 20:17.49 | vook | and those kinds of responses - who wants to help with that kind of attitude? |
| 20:17.56 | debian361 | because im using the crappy 50mb version, how do i fix my usb device? |
| 20:18.10 | babilen | debian361: I told you? |
| 20:18.14 | babilen | anyway |
| 20:18.18 | babilen | life's too short for this |
| 20:18.30 | debian361 | babilen plz tell me again |
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| 20:18.50 | babilen | debian361: "/lastlog gparted" |
| 20:18.55 | vook | this is a bad dream babilen, you'll wake up soon |
| 20:19.04 | debian361 | im on windows |
| 20:19.30 | debian361 | btw does unetbootin run in ram? that way i can partition this in the debian installation |
| 20:19.43 | debian361 | and remove this 167mb partition because its not possible on windows |
| 20:20.23 | Artemis3 | anything installs and runs with a live iso debian361, it will simply dissappear when you reboot. |
| 20:20.33 | zykotick9 | is 99.9% sure d-i is incapable of creating fat32 partitions, which debian361 needs, prior to using unetbootin. |
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| 20:20.45 | Artemis3 | debian361, also dd is the preferred method to copy iso into usb stick |
| 20:20.50 | Megaf | Whats wrong with the 50 MB ISO? |
| 20:20.59 | Megaf | It will get all thats need from the internet |
| 20:21.01 | debian361 | zykotick9, so you say, that u can actually install debian using ubuntu? |
| 20:21.07 | abrotman | Megaf: if you don't have internet,it's useless ? |
| 20:21.25 | debian361 | i have internet, is the 50mb version fine then? |
| 20:21.35 | mtnman | what is the location of the post-removal script for package foo? |
| 20:21.48 | zykotick9 | Megaf: ya, i don't think that's a good idea, regular netinst would be my vote (even for "minimum"). wireless firmware required next ;) |
| 20:21.49 | Megaf | debian361: yes... Its a netinstall |
| 20:21.51 | Artemis3 | zykotick9, manual partitioning? |
| 20:22.00 | debian361 | megaf but it says business card, not netinstall |
| 20:22.04 | abrotman | Megaf: please don't confuse things further |
| 20:22.12 | abrotman | debian361: please use the 200Mb ISO |
| 20:22.33 | debian361 | abrotman but my usb disk can only hold 167mb |
| 20:22.37 | vook | debian361: if you actually got the system to boot using the usb drive, even slightly, you can wipe the partition table and hard reset. You could do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/USBDRIVE bs=512 count=1'. You must determine your usb device exactly though, otherwise you could wipe the partition table of the hard drive. |
| 20:23.03 | Artemis3 | Megaf, why use the 50mb iso when you can have, the 20mb ISO! :) |
| 20:23.06 | mtn | vook: that must be the 20th time he has been told that. :P |
| 20:23.08 | Megaf | replace USBDRIVE with sda... |
| 20:23.10 | vook | debian361: then on reboot, windows will try to initialize the drive as if it were new. |
| 20:23.17 | abrotman | debian361: That's not true .. |
| 20:23.23 | Megaf | Artemis3: Actually theres even smaller one |
| 20:23.25 | vook | Megaf: sda may be the hard drive. |
| 20:23.27 | Megaf | but not iso |
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| 20:23.31 | abrotman | debian361: are you trying to do this without overwriting the USB drive? |
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| 20:23.34 | Megaf | vook: in his case is sda |
| 20:23.38 | Megaf | the usb |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | wait .. I don't want to be involved .. nevermind |
| 20:23.40 | debian361 | abrotman, yes using unetbootin |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | nope, don't care anymore .. you're doing it wrong |
| 20:23.50 | Artemis3 | Megaf, i wish i could still use a single floppy like you actually still can with openbsd t_t |
| 20:23.52 | mtn | abrotman: good choice :) |
| 20:23.54 | mtnman | mtn are those your initials? |
| 20:24.03 | mtn | mtnman: nope |
| 20:24.07 | debian361 | can i use win32 disk imager on windows? |
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| 20:24.13 | abrotman | ... |
| 20:24.16 | debian361 | does it overwrite the netire drive? |
| 20:24.58 | Artemis3 | i know there is a windows dd too with some fancy name and gui |
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| 20:25.14 | vook | probably even 'diskpart' from windows can handle this... |
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| 20:25.28 | mtnman | mtn are you a high altitude kind of guy? |
| 20:25.43 | debian361 | i wish someone could help me |
| 20:25.43 | mtn | mtnman: you got it :) |
| 20:25.48 | babilen | debian361: yes, yes |
| 20:26.03 | mtnman | we are birds of a feather |
| 20:26.05 | Artemis3 | debian361, Don't Panic! (it says in the guide) |
| 20:26.15 | mtnman | apt mtnman |
| 20:26.15 | apt | mtnman lives at 9600 feet above sea-level. |
| 20:26.29 | vook | It's hard to know what is better, the cluttered OT, though active nature of #debian on freenode, or the on-topic but often dead silence of debian on #oftc. |
| 20:26.41 | debian361 | oh i was wondering why i couldnt select my usb device in win32 image writer , it was unplugged LOL |
| 20:27.13 | Artemis3 | debian361, there is a slight change you might wipe out the data of a HD instead, so be careful :) |
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| 20:27.17 | Artemis3 | chance |
| 20:27.20 | mtnman | well my on-topic question was ignored... but i answered it with the help of "find" |
| 20:27.26 | debian361 | artemis3, yolo |
| 20:27.50 | debian361 | yah now its writing the usb device real good, its blinking |
| 20:27.51 | babilen | debian361: And download CD1 (XFCE if you want that) if you have no internet connection and write that with win32diskimager. |
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| 20:28.09 | Artemis3 | debian361, should be good then, when it finishes reboot and start from it. |
| 20:28.13 | debian361 | babilen im doing the netinst for 6.0.9 atm |
| 20:28.14 | babilen | The netinstall images will have to download data from the internet during the initial installation. |
| 20:28.26 | babilen | debian361: okay, bad decision IMHO |
| 20:28.30 | debian361 | wtf |
| 20:28.33 | debian361 | ok ill cancel bro |
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| 20:28.38 | Artemis3 | haha |
| 20:28.42 | Artemis3 | now what? |
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| 20:28.54 | debian361 | so ill download CD-1 of 6.0.9 babilen? |
| 20:28.56 | Artemis3 | Don't Panic! :) |
| 20:29.05 | Artemis3 | why 6? |
| 20:29.11 | Artemis3 | go 7 |
| 20:29.13 | debian361 | babilen can u link it? |
| 20:29.14 | abrotman | Artemis3: please, you don't want to play this game ... |
| 20:29.18 | mtn | oh good, we can start all over again |
| 20:29.36 | Artemis3 | what game? current stable is 7 |
| 20:29.42 | babilen | debian361: I would not install squeeze at all, but wheezy. Choose XFCE if you don't want Gnome 3 and if you are after a "traditional DE" |
| 20:29.58 | debian361 | but XFCE looks like 'XP |
| 20:30.09 | abrotman | no |
| 20:30.11 | Artemis3 | debian361, you can install only base, then the DE you like |
| 20:30.13 | debian361 | i want MATE if i would use debian 7, and that is unstable and crashes the system |
| 20:30.15 | vook | I agree - gnome-3 forced my hand and I started using XFCE, but after a while, I find it much better in fact. |
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| 20:30.26 | Megaf | debian361: go 6.0.9 CD1 (that is GNOME) |
| 20:30.33 | Megaf | and you will be fine |
| 20:30.43 | debian361 | i want gnome 2, or MATE, no exceptions |
| 20:30.45 | abrotman | wtf .. please stop saying that |
| 20:30.51 | debian361 | and MATE is unstable, so i go with 6.0.9 |
| 20:30.55 | Artemis3 | debian361, i see ok then |
| 20:30.58 | abrotman | debian361: perhaps Debian is not for you. Good luck |
| 20:31.05 | debian361 | a professional told me MATE is unstable and crashes the system, and causes headaches |
| 20:31.13 | abrotman | debian361: there are distros targeted at those that want to be stuck in the past |
| 20:31.14 | Megaf | debian361: GNOME 2 on 6.0.9 = Rock Solid and old, MATE on Debian 7 = Fast, modern and might crash at any moment |
| 20:31.15 | Artemis3 | a professional? :3 |
| 20:31.15 | debian361 | and gnome 3 causes me headache by looking at it |
| 20:31.37 | Artemis3 | actually i have used mate and it works just fine but whatever |
| 20:31.52 | Artemis3 | in fact gnome2 had more bugs lol |
| 20:31.54 | beboj | try fluxbox, make your life easier |
| 20:32.00 | zykotick9 | debian361: gnewsense perhaps? abrotman love the "stuck in the past" comment. |
| 20:32.05 | Artemis3 | they actually FIXED some :) |
| 20:32.08 | jordanm_lt | I have a dell xps 13 which does not suspend when the lid is closed. what software typically detects the lid close and initiates the sleep/hibernate? |
| 20:32.14 | debian361 | ill just use GNOME 2, u guys are to much |
| 20:32.22 | abrotman | jordanm_lt: acpid and friends |
| 20:32.22 | debian361 | when MATE never crashes ill switch over |
| 20:32.30 | Artemis3 | mate never crashes to me :) |
| 20:32.32 | himpy | gnome is unnecessarily bloated and inherently unintuitive anyway (as well as all its forks, of course) |
| 20:32.33 | abrotman | debian361: Thanks, good luck |
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| 20:32.56 | debian361 | give me a good reason to use MATE + Debian7 |
| 20:33.01 | vook | debian361: you'll be stuck with 2.6.32 unless you go with a backports kernel or recompile yourself. |
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| 20:33.11 | debian361 | whats the point of Debian7 when 6 is supported for 3 more years? |
| 20:33.17 | vook | (which isn't necessarily a problem, but it can be) |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | debian361: but it won't be .. only certain parts |
| 20:33.30 | Artemis3 | then use squeeze already |
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| 20:33.37 | Artemis3 | no ones is holding you :P |
| 20:33.57 | himpy | debian361: only security updates, nothing more. But for some people it is enough to stick with Debian 6. |
| 20:33.59 | jmcnaught | debian361: whatever you decide to run, i strongly suggest that you stick to software available in the debian repositories (and do not add any third party repos for stuff like MATE etc). Adding external repositories is only going to cause you difficult and confusing problems. |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | debian361: if you want to use MATE, use a distro that spports it, Wheezty isn't it |
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| 20:34.05 | jordanm_lt | abrotman: should that log to syslog> |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | jordanm_lt: one would think ? |
| 20:34.40 | debian361 | security updates is waht i want, i dont want NSA spying on me |
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| 20:34.58 | jordanm_lt | I guess acpid isn't getting the events, or is not logging anything |
| 20:34.58 | Artemis3 | jessie is tho, so if you want a bit :) |
| 20:35.04 | Artemis3 | wait |
| 20:35.06 | vook | squeeze isn't immune from the NSA, just fyi |
| 20:35.09 | debian361 | yes artemis |
| 20:35.13 | jordanm_lt | syslog gets this, which comes from dmesg: May 21 15:27:26 jordan-work-lt kernel: [115079.059201] atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e071 <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 20:35.26 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 20:35.30 | debian361 | i will use debian6.0.9 with gnome2 unti jessie is out with MATE. is thats it? |
| 20:35.39 | zykotick9 | vook: squeeze didn't get heartbleed... just funny timing really. |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | worst decision of the day |
| 20:35.45 | himpy | I would suggest openbox instead of fluxbox. It's also what most senior Debian users prefer. |
| 20:35.50 | Artemis3 | debian361, that works too |
| 20:36.01 | abrotman | himpy: I'm a senior, I don't prefer it |
| 20:36.12 | abrotman | Not many do that I can tell |
| 20:36.17 | himpy | abrotman: that's why I said *most* :-) |
| 20:36.17 | Artemis3 | well lxde is a fine desktop imo :) |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | himpy: see second statement |
| 20:36.27 | himpy | abrotman: you use flux? |
| 20:36.33 | abrotman | jimthat being said, I used blackbox for many years |
| 20:36.34 | teraflops | hehe senior ... |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | uh himpy , not job |
| 20:36.41 | abrotman | jim |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | himpy: no, I use gnome3, and I like it quite a bit |
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| 20:36.57 | abrotman | much better than gnome2 |
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| 20:37.18 | debian361 | abrotman there isnt any better than gnome2 |
| 20:37.28 | centrx | ... |
| 20:37.30 | abrotman | debian361: That's a naive answer .. |
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| 20:37.33 | abrotman | debian361: have you tried them all? |
| 20:37.42 | centrx | thought all of them were better than gnome |
| 20:37.44 | Artemis3 | classic desktop is available from several choices, besides mate, you say xfce looks like windows but xfce can be arranged the same as gnome2 (with apps and places menus) |
| 20:37.46 | monod | How do I format a read-only filesystem? (USB stick) |
| 20:37.55 | Artemis3 | and dual panels, etc. |
| 20:38.01 | abrotman | monod: the device is read-only or the filesystem is? |
| 20:38.17 | himpy | abrotman: I can't understand how one can use GNOME. Although I don't like Torvald's pseudo-arrogant character, he speaks from my heart when about gnome. It is really bloated and always does what one would not expect. |
| 20:38.22 | monod | abrotman, I read filesystem, but I'll double check now |
| 20:38.32 | debian361 | himpy gnome2 is the future |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | himpy: I don't understand how people use KDE or OSX .. so there's that |
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| 20:38.45 | Artemis3 | debian361, no, its mate gnome2 is dead. |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | debian361: Please go install your distro, have a good day |
| 20:39.08 | mtnman | has always been a fan of fvwm2 |
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| 20:39.14 | himpy | abrotman: right, I would also not use KDE for several reasons, for example its bloatedness; but I would prefer it over gnome, of course :) |
| 20:39.37 | Artemis3 | im taking a look at lxqt |
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| 20:41.10 | himpy | if one is not satisfied with a nice and slim window manager but needs a full fledged desktop environment, one should try xfce. It's extraordinarily fast for being a desktop environment, but fully-featured nevertheless |
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| 20:41.22 | monod | abrotman, Uhm, cfdisk now says "FATAL ERROR: cannot open device disk" |
| 20:41.32 | monod | "disk drive*" |
| 20:41.41 | jmcnaught | personally i tend to use the distro default (gnome3 in this case) so i can get to work using my computer and not waste time tweaking my desktop until it's just right. better to learn how to use what's provided than waste time endlessly configuring and debugging desktop issue |
| 20:41.48 | monod | But I think it was the filesystem. |
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| 20:42.21 | mtnman | jmcnaught better for you and your situation. everyone is different. |
| 20:42.53 | abrotman | monod: look at the dmesg when you insert it |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | jimit's all subjective .. |
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| 20:43.11 | monod | [sdf] Write Protect is off |
| 20:43.15 | monod | abrotman, ^ |
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| 20:43.21 | abrotman | monod: fdisk /dev/sdf ? |
| 20:43.31 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:43.41 | monod | abrotman, "Command (m for help):" :D |
| 20:43.52 | abrotman | monod: do you care about any of the contents on the device? |
| 20:43.58 | CeBe1 | looks like I corrupted my icon set. how can I try to restore it? |
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| 20:44.11 | Azrael_- | i've got multiple remote hosts in my munin configuration. now i removed one of them, how can i get rid of the display in the web frontend? |
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| 20:44.14 | monod | abrotman, Fortunately, nope :) |
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| 20:44.26 | abrotman | monod: then delete and create partitions .. then try to write |
| 20:44.53 | CeBe1 | Azrael_-: munin should remove them itself when recreating html files |
| 20:45.04 | Azrael_- | CeBe1: ok, will try, thanks |
| 20:46.24 | monod | abrotman: Looks good now. Command (m for help): w -> The partition table has been altered! -> Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. -> Syncing disks. |
| 20:46.26 | Azrael_- | CeBe1: no, still displayed although of course no new data is retrieved |
| 20:46.44 | lzzluca_ | argh |
| 20:46.46 | lzzluca_ | sorry |
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| 20:47.08 | abrotman | monod: goodbye RO filesystem :) |
| 20:47.13 | CeBe1 | Azrael_-: have you removed it in master and node config? |
| 20:47.39 | mtnman | when dpkg -s foopkg says "Status: purge ok config files" does that mean the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ (postinst, postrm, etc) or does that mean the files in /etc? |
| 20:47.39 | monod | And why does mount ask for a filesystem type when mounting it to /mnt ? |
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| 20:48.05 | Azrael_- | CeBe1: i've got it only in /etc/munin/munin.conf , do you refer to another file? |
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| 20:49.12 | CeBe1 | Azrael_-: hm no. no idea whats wrong then |
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| 20:49.55 | D-Boy | Hello, I can't SSH into my box (dedicated server) from home, cat /var/log/auth.log shows lines in this style : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for domain.tld [XX.XX.XX.XX] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 20:49.58 | monod | abrotman, A new problem. It seems like Debian has cached the old mount options and now it doesn't automatically mount the USB stick on insert |
| 20:50.16 | D-Boy | (i can ssh into that box from another one without probleme) |
| 20:50.16 | D-Boy | -e |
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| 20:50.35 | abrotman | monod: did you create a filesystem after using fdisk ? |
| 20:50.55 | monod | abrotman, I pressed T and selected Linux 83 |
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| 20:51.07 | abrotman | monod: and then w? |
| 20:51.09 | monod | abrotman, And of course write, yep |
| 20:51.11 | abrotman | and then used mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 20:51.13 | nully | that doesnt create the filesystem, just the partition |
| 20:51.21 | monod | abrotman, Nope, what was that?? |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | mkfs .. makefilesystem |
| 20:51.34 | nully | thats the command that creates the filesystem :D |
| 20:51.39 | abrotman | mkfs.ext, make an ext3 filesystem |
| 20:51.49 | blue_sky | trying to get my MacMini to EFI boot from HD. Reading https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall, says "Put the debian bootloader in /boot/efi" where do I find the "Debian bootloader"? |
| 20:51.59 | monod | So *I* am supposed to create the fs, not fdisk? |
| 20:52.09 | nully | no, mkfs does |
| 20:52.12 | nully | not fdisk ^^ |
| 20:52.32 | monod | "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdf1" |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | monod: it's a two step process |
| 20:52.49 | monod | abrotman, Yea, it is |
| 20:53.13 | monod | And it now works! |
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| 20:53.19 | monod | Let's see if nautilus agrees |
| 20:53.21 | abrotman | monod: see, we're not stupid! |
| 20:53.22 | monod | Thank you! |
| 20:53.31 | vook | blue_sky: are you dual booting? |
| 20:53.33 | nully | abrotman: speak for yourself! |
| 20:53.33 | monod | abrotman, Never thought so! O_O |
| 20:53.59 | blue_sky | vook: yes, OS X, I have rEFIt installed to select what to boot, but it can't yet boot Debian |
| 20:54.45 | monod | How do I set a new Label? Via cmdline |
| 20:54.55 | deni | anyone uses rxvt-unicode? |
| 20:55.15 | deni | i'm curious if anyone got powerline fonts working? |
| 20:55.18 | vook | monod: e2label |
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| 20:55.58 | monod | Thanks vook ! |
| 20:57.03 | monod | vook How did you know it btw?? I don't have the smallest clue on how to find these programs O_O |
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| 20:57.50 | vook | monod: I don't remember how I know. I probably googled it many years ago. |
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| 20:57.59 | monod | Uhm |
| 20:58.14 | vook | monod: guessing google: "label ext4 partition linux" |
| 20:58.42 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.52 | vook | yep, top hit |
| 20:59.02 | jmcnaught | monod: you can also use "mkfs.ext3 -L" to set the volume label... see "man mkfs.ext3" |
| 20:59.03 | nully | monod: also, try man -k keyword to look for commands on your local system |
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| 20:59.25 | monod | man -k? |
| 20:59.28 | jhutchins | There is also "apropos keyword". |
| 20:59.29 | nully | ya |
| 20:59.35 | nully | apropos is good stuff too |
| 20:59.43 | monod | Btw, I used to look in the manuals, but I only got headaches |
| 20:59.47 | monod | :( |
| 20:59.59 | nully | its just a summery :) |
| 20:59.59 | shingouz | and apt-cache search keyword to get an idea what is installable |
| 21:00.03 | jmcnaught | monod: keep reading the manuals, it gets easier :) |
| 21:00.07 | monod | Oh, apropos is very interesting |
| 21:00.09 | nully | a one line summery of programs that match your keyword |
| 21:00.17 | jhutchins | monod: There are good man pages, bad man pages, man pages that are more of an API than a user guide, and blank man pages. |
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| 21:01.04 | nully | gotta love the blank ones |
| 21:01.09 | nully | or the ones that say `go to this other place' |
| 21:01.12 | monod | So, man -k, apropos && apt-cache: the swiss-knife tools for catching right ones (?) |
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| 21:01.26 | nully | thats a good start :D |
| 21:01.29 | jhutchins | A go-to isn't too bad, as long as there's something there. |
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| 21:01.34 | FlowRiser | nully: or the ones that give no actual examples of how to use |
| 21:01.36 | jhutchins | info pages being an exception. |
| 21:01.58 | nully | hehe, ya, i find myself skimming for examples 99% of the time, i make :( face when they dont have any. |
| 21:02.02 | jhutchins | freeradius. Shudder. |
| 21:02.12 | nully | The Puppet Labs project seems to dislike man pages, i dont know why. |
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| 21:04.27 | raboof | does anyone know why there's no openjdk-8-jdk package? has it been superseded by the Oracle distribution or is it simply not there yet? |
| 21:04.39 | deni | nevermind |
| 21:04.42 | deni | figured it out |
| 21:04.44 | blue_sky | grub has hijacked my HD, but only gives me the grub> prompt, need help booting 7.5 amd64 if anyone can help |
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| 21:05.14 | jhutchins | deni: Share your solution? |
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| 21:06.22 | jhutchins | blue_sky: How did you get here? |
| 21:06.44 | jhutchins | blue_sky: Have you looked at any of the grub guides to see what you can do from the grub prompt? |
| 21:06.56 | monod | Any way to prompt a progress bar for 'sync' command? |
| 21:07.04 | monod | (Finally it finished!) |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | it should only take a moment |
| 21:07.36 | monod | It took 30 secs this time, I think it's because I wrote some files in there |
| 21:07.45 | monod | ~300MB |
| 21:08.52 | blue_sky | jhutchins: I need to know what the kernel image is called on this system to use the grub guides |
| 21:10.09 | blue_sky | how I got here? long story, MacMini, EFI -> no bios, Debian EFI installer won't install grub, rescue boot, install grub-efi, omitted to edit grub's config before reboot :/ |
| 21:10.25 | deni | jhutchins: everything woked out of the box....i was just referencing the fonts wrong...ie by wrong name |
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| 21:10.30 | blue_sky | hmmm, maybe not so long after all |
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| 21:10.47 | deni | so rxvt-unicode on debian is compiled it seems with --enable-unicode3 so stuff just works tm |
| 21:11.02 | acpiorwhat | i have 2 directories, let's call them A y B. Both A and B have quite a few common files but A has some files that B does not. How can i copy those files and those files only from A to B? Is there a one-liner i can use? |
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| 21:12.20 | abrotman | acpiorwhat: rsync |
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| 21:12.44 | abrotman | acpiorwhat: alternately, I think you can use uh .. cmp to compare files in directories |
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| 21:13.08 | vook | blue_sky: so if you type "linux /" and then tab a few times, do you get a directory listing? (i.e. is /boot available) |
| 21:13.12 | acpiorwhat | abrotman, sorry? |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | excuse me? |
| 21:13.53 | distortedvoice | I had filezilla working great over sftp a few days ago. Now it says connected then times out several seconds later. |
| 21:14.37 | blue_sky | vook: Im back rescue booting from CD, seeing if I can figure it out from here - but I can't get the EFI boot, not sure if it'll make a difference. Will note what you suggest should this fail. |
| 21:15.55 | distortedvoice | ssh works fine though. |
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| 21:16.15 | vook | blue_sky: I've done a Mac install several times, but it's been a while. I do remember needing to tweak it - maybe I installed the MBR to the partition instead of the disk (/dev/sda1 rather than /dev/sda) or visa versa. |
| 21:16.54 | vook | *mbr/boot loader (grub) |
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| 21:17.29 | blue_sky | vook: that's what I thought I did: grub-install /dev/sda4, but my MBR has gone, no OS X, no rEFIt, that's not a problem, I'm only going to be using Debian on here from now on, but it must boot! |
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| 21:18.05 | vook | blue_sky: yeah, I think I actually installed to the disk. Sounds a bit counter-intuitive, but considering it's EFI, reFIT remained. |
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| 21:18.58 | vook | blue_sky: pretty sure now that I installed grub to /dev/sda. You can boot to the mac install disk to repair the MBR, then reinstall reFIT. |
| 21:19.06 | blue_sky | maybe I typo'd, trying to figure out how/where to config grub to auto boot into this debian install, /etc/grub.d/README right now |
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| 21:19.43 | vook | (or repair the boot process, no MBR in efi) |
| 21:19.49 | jhutchins | blue_sky: sda4 won't work. |
| 21:20.13 | blue_sky | jhutchins: maybe that's why it broke. |
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| 21:20.47 | jhutchins | blue_sky: You're running grub though, so at some point it did sda1. The problem is it can't find /boot. |
| 21:20.54 | jhutchins | !mac |
| 21:20.56 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>. |
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| 21:21.27 | jhutchins | blue_sky: One of those may help you. |
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| 21:21.40 | blue_sky | !apple |
| 21:21.40 | dpkg | [apple] a fruit, or Apple Inc. (formerly Apple Computer, Inc.), a consumer electronics and software company. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple . See also <airport>, <alac>, <combo drive>, <daap>, <hfs>, <hfsplus>, <imac>, <ipod>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <mac mini>, <open firmware>, <powerpc>, <quicktime>, <superdrive>. ##apple on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:22.01 | distortedvoice | anyone had a problem where sftp stops working? I checked for the binary and it is defined in sshd_config and is still located at /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
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| 21:22.56 | blue_sky | jhutchins: yeah, one of those links to a blog post I made the first time I did this, buggered if I can make it work following my own instructions this time! |
| 21:23.34 | monod | I can't get this bootalbe USB stick to work! |
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| 21:23.50 | monod | I've even tried the DOS option on fdisk, without knowing what it is |
| 21:24.04 | monod | I'll try google maybe to not annoy you and waste your time |
| 21:24.26 | blue_sky | monod: ditto, use a CD, spent all of last weekend trying to install from USB, gave up and a CD I burned installed first time ? but I can't boot, but that's another problem. |
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| 21:25.01 | diginet | how do you force quit a process? |
| 21:25.07 | monod | blue_sky, It's an USB stick because it's intended for a netbook :( |
| 21:25.19 | centrx | diginet, simplest: kill <process id> |
| 21:25.21 | diginet | I have IceWeasel running, it says it is a zombie process, it crashed, and I cannot get it to quit |
| 21:25.25 | vook | diginet: xkill or 'kill -15 <pid>' |
| 21:25.27 | blue_sky | ah, good luck! |
| 21:25.30 | diginet | centrx: tried that, does nothing |
| 21:25.35 | monod | thanks |
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| 21:25.48 | centrx | diginet, kill -9 <pid> to force the kernel to kill it |
| 21:25.59 | centrx | diginet, If it is listed as a "zombie" process don't worry about, or kill its parent |
| 21:26.14 | vook | diginet: or launch a terminal, type xkill, and click on the iceweasel window |
| 21:26.17 | diginet | centrx: well the problem is I can't reopen IceWeasel |
| 21:26.35 | diginet | vook: well the iceweasel window is closed |
| 21:26.39 | vook | diginet: try killall |
| 21:26.52 | diginet | no parameters? |
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| 21:27.20 | vook | diginet: no, 'killall iceweasel' or 'killall firefox-bin', I don't remember the name of the process. First perhaps, 'ps aux | grep -i iceweasel; |
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| 21:27.59 | vook | you may have to remove a lock file too. |
| 21:28.28 | vook | !pkill |
| 21:28.33 | acpiorwhat | can anyone recommend me a currently developed web browser for X , something in between dillo and midori? |
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| 21:28.37 | vook | hm, well, 'pkill' is another option |
| 21:28.53 | akp | hey, could someone help me out with bonded interfaces? i can't seem to stop networking and restart it without it complaning about the bonds |
| 21:29.38 | vook | !ask |
| 21:29.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:30.32 | jhutchins | blue_sky: Well, you'll be happy to know that one of the best dev's I know - he's written an entire OS from the bootloader on up - recently tried to get debian on a mac and quit in frustration. |
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| 21:30.44 | blue_sky | lol |
| 21:30.54 | blue_sky | rofl |
| 21:31.02 | blue_sky | nice, TY VM |
| 21:31.12 | blue_sky | I am determined to succeed |
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| 21:31.34 | jhutchins | blue_sky: Best of luck! Fortitude! |
| 21:32.10 | diginet | vook: how do you remove a lock file? |
| 21:32.36 | nully | usually with `rm' (or use your file browser to delete it) |
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| 21:34.15 | diginet | nully: where would that be? |
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| 21:35.29 | nully | diginet: for iceweasel? i'm not sure it uses one. ususally they are in /var/lock or /tmp, but if you cannot start iceweasel you probably never killed it |
| 21:35.32 | nully | its probably still running. |
| 21:35.44 | diginet | nully: it is, I just can't kill it |
| 21:35.47 | diginet | no matter what I do |
| 21:35.52 | nully | kill -9 |
| 21:35.55 | diginet | tried that |
| 21:35.55 | nully | killall -9 firefox-bin |
| 21:35.59 | diginet | tried that too |
| 21:36.00 | nully | with the -bin? |
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| 21:36.02 | diginet | yes |
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| 21:36.23 | nully | you tried: ps -ef | grep fire |
| 21:36.25 | nully | and ps -ef | grep icew |
| 21:36.27 | jhutchins | nully: Find the process and pid, then use the actual kill command. |
| 21:36.30 | nully | and killed any pids you saw? |
| 21:36.31 | jhutchins | nully: ice |
| 21:36.37 | nully | jhutchins: exactly |
| 21:36.42 | diginet | I did just that |
| 21:36.47 | diginet | the PID is 1923 |
| 21:36.47 | nully | and? |
| 21:36.51 | diginet | nothing |
| 21:36.51 | himpy | killall -9 iceweasel ? |
| 21:36.52 | nully | kill -9 it to the dom |
| 21:37.01 | diginet | I did kill -9 1923 |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins | nully: restart gdm. |
| 21:37.04 | diginet | it does nothing |
| 21:37.13 | nully | jhutchins: please direct your comments to diginet |
| 21:37.17 | nully | jhutchins: i am not the one asking the questions. |
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| 21:37.43 | himpy | "killall [-9] iceweasel" works on my jessie system |
| 21:38.19 | diginet | himpy: I have tried that |
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| 21:38.32 | nully | diginet: maybe plugins are running? |
| 21:38.51 | nully | diginet: are you suing gtk-gnash? killall -9 plugin-container and killall -9 gtk-gnash (i think) |
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| 21:39.11 | diginet | no such processes |
| 21:39.21 | nully | well you can just restarted gdm like someone else said |
| 21:39.25 | abrotman | what state is it in now ? |
| 21:39.27 | nully | basically just log out and back in |
| 21:39.30 | nully | for the quick fix |
| 21:39.37 | diginet | yeah :/ |
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| 21:39.42 | diginet | unfortunately this keeps happening |
| 21:39.45 | diginet | oh well |
| 21:39.48 | nully | hm |
| 21:39.51 | diginet | will log in and out for now |
| 21:39.53 | nully | do you have a lot of disk space? |
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| 21:40.07 | nully | or have you runout? |
| 21:40.07 | diginet | yeah, like 200gb |
| 21:40.07 | smiter | hi guys, don't know where this goes: I'd like to suggest some tiny changes in cryptosetup's output during boot. should I mail the package owner/maintainer, or should I submit a "but" report? |
| 21:40.17 | smiter | s/but/bug/ |
| 21:40.22 | nully | diginet: are you using sid? |
| 21:40.39 | diginet | no, jessie |
| 21:40.50 | jhutchins | nully: He should be able to figure it out, butg sorry. |
| 21:41.05 | jhutchins | diginet: Did you try restarting GDM? |
| 21:41.08 | diginet | I am |
| 21:41.41 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:41.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:41.43 | nully | True, lol but it makes my stuff light up :D |
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| 21:41.57 | jhutchins | diginet: Logging out and back in should have the same effect, but while logged out you can log IN at Ctrl-Alt-F1 and see if iceweasel is still running. |
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| 21:42.13 | jhutchins | diginet: You were issuing the kill commands as root? |
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| 21:49.07 | blue_sky | jhutchins: vook: houston, the eagle has landed? grub now boots Debian unaided. woohoo! |
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| 21:49.31 | jhutchins | blue_sky: What'cha do to it? |
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| 21:50.07 | vook | nice |
| 21:50.12 | blue_sky | threatened to kill it with fire |
| 21:50.38 | blue_sky | appear to have lost OS X? but it was pissing me off anyway so no biggy. |
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| 21:51.19 | blue_sky | apt-get install grub-efi, grub-mkconfig, update-grub, <reboot> grub-install |
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| 21:52.39 | blue_sky | 's all good, now to set up MPD, I was using itunes, moved the library elsewhere, but gonna use this as a media server and not OS X, it sucks as a media server - even with apple TV - wanna by an apple TV? Rarely used. |
| 21:52.55 | blue_sky | buy |
| 21:53.00 | blue_sky | s/by/buy |
| 21:53.10 | Mousey | trailing / |
| 21:53.34 | blue_sky | s/Mousey/pedant/ |
| 21:53.52 | Mousey | >_< |
| 21:53.55 | Mousey | i donno why i said anything |
| 21:54.13 | Mousey | goes back to lurking, where he belongs |
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| 21:57.29 | teraflops | put xmbc on the apple tv |
| 21:57.53 | teraflops | upnp out of the box |
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| 21:58.40 | teraflops | s/xbmc |
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| 22:01.51 | hugg | Is there a better way to debug vim hanging/lockups than strace? |
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| 22:02.28 | blue_sky | teraflops: selling the Apple TV for MONEY, got to get beer tokens from somewhere. |
| 22:03.02 | jhutchins | Mousey: The trailing / is not required in irc syntax. |
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| 22:03.39 | jhutchins | hugg: More info required. |
| 22:03.43 | jhutchins | hugg: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 22:04.17 | jhutchins | hugg: Which vim are you using? What are you using it on? Which release? |
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| 22:05.13 | hugg | jhutchins: jessie/sid, vim-nox, freezes about once an hour after sitting idle in an attached tmux session, but usually in an inactive window. |
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| 22:10.23 | zleslie | !tell me about ssb |
| 22:10.48 | hugg | jhutchins: I lied: vim.gtk, 7.4. |
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| 22:12.37 | zleslie | !hugs |
| 22:12.39 | dpkg | [hugs] a free implementation of (nearly all of) Haskell 98 (see haskell). |
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| 22:13.19 | zleslie | Who authors dpkgbot? Is the code posted somewhere? |
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| 22:15.58 | centrx | zleslie, http://sourceforge.net/p/infobot/code/HEAD/tree/ |
| 22:16.28 | zleslie | !infobot |
| 22:16.30 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
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| 22:16.49 | zleslie | centrx: Thanks |
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| 22:17.44 | asturel | can i downgrade from jessie to wheezy? |
| 22:17.59 | hugg | asturel: yes, using apt pinning. |
| 22:17.59 | centrx | asturel, No, not really |
| 22:18.09 | centrx | asturel, It is likely to break your system |
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| 22:18.23 | centrx | asturel, Installing individual package from wheezy may work |
| 22:18.25 | hugg | asturel: it did break mine last month. |
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| 22:20.05 | asturel | well i upgraded now i cannot build 32bit apps, configure doesnt find ncurses/w |
| 22:20.05 | asturel | but its installed.. i checked ld -v |
| 22:20.08 | asturel | and i can compile with gcc -m32 -lncurses |
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| 22:20.53 | centrx | asturel, You either need to install the -dev package for the library, which contains the development/header files for compiling |
| 22:21.14 | centrx | asturel, Or activate multiarch for 32bit apps on an otherwise 64bit system |
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| 22:21.14 | asturel | i did |
| 22:21.14 | asturel | it worked fine before the update |
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| 22:21.39 | asturel | also added multiarch :D |
| 22:21.44 | asturel | odd because i had lib32ncurses.. but i had to install libncurses:i386 to recognize the gcc now.. |
| 22:21.48 | centrx | asturel, There is an ncurses and an ncursesw, maybe ncurses/w wants the w |
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| 22:21.56 | centrx | asturel, "wide-character support" |
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| 22:22.52 | asturel | i know i installed both |
