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| 02:09.38 | acu | I got a message of many recommended packages but will not be installed- is this correct command? do I need to add something so the dependencies are brought from backport ? - aptitude -t wheezy-backports install owncloud |
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| 02:10.58 | jpinx | acu: installing with -t wheezy-backports will automagically install the required dependencies |
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| 02:16.54 | jpinx | acu: man aptitude and look at the --without-recommends option |
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| 02:21.59 | xeno | So, the xen instructions I find from google suggest I do apt-get install xen-linux-system, but xen-linux-system does not exist. Am I doing something dumb here? |
| 02:22.55 | jpinx | judd versions xen |
| 02:22.56 | judd | No package named 'xen' was found in i386. |
| 02:23.12 | jpinx | dpkg: xen |
| 02:23.12 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | xeno: are those instructions for Debian? |
| 02:23.50 | xeno | Yes, let me put up the URLs |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | has no such package |
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| 02:25.01 | xeno__ | https://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Initial_Host_Installation |
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| 02:25.29 | abrotman | looks |
| 02:25.32 | jpinx | xeno: ^^ |
| 02:25.35 | xeno__ | http://www.howtoforge.com/xen-on-debian-wheezy-with-lvm |
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| 02:25.51 | xeno__ | Oops. Sorry. |
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| 02:26.02 | xeno__ | Those are just URLs. Was that okay? |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | xeno: apt-get install xen-linux-system-$(uname -r) |
| 02:26.31 | xeno__ | I had to jump to another machine, and didn't see the comment in time. |
| 02:26.45 | xeno__ | Ok. |
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| 02:27.14 | abrotman | xeno__: any better ? |
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| 02:27.27 | xeno__ | apt-cache doesn't find anything like that. |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | i said apt-get ? |
| 02:27.40 | xeno__ | I wonder if it requires a deb sources addition I didn't see. |
| 02:27.44 | xeno__ | or they left off. |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | are you using Wheezy? |
| 02:28.20 | xeno__ | Ah. Wrong host. Okay, going to my debian vm. Myfault. |
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| 03:01.05 | Chipdancer | let’s try again.... |
| 03:01.13 | Chipdancer | I have an issue with grub booting a zfs root where the zpool sits on an LVM volume - starts with error: couldn't find a valid label and after that drops to initramfs - a simple “lvm lvchange -ay followed by a “zpool import -f -N -R / rpool” + ^D and the system boots fine. What magic incantation to I need to give to grub (debian wheezy in this instance /etc/default/grub) to get it to pick up the LVM volume |
| 03:01.55 | Chipdancer | further info - I just thought perhaps the devicemap may need to have hints to the LVM and re-ran grub-mkdevicemap -vv and discovered that my rpool lvm “is not DM-RAID” |
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| 03:07.15 | vop1 | at boot time and to pass a kernel argument , how can i compose the = sign if the the relevant key does not work? |
| 03:07.22 | centrx | You mean the key on your keyboard doesn't work? |
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| 03:11.22 | yoojin | . |
| 03:11.33 | dvs | , |
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| 03:11.41 | yoojin | ! |
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| 03:13.54 | yoojin | To make a doomsday computer, what would it need? #debian relevant if you believe debian should be the OS. >> cant think of better channel for discussion. |
| 03:14.20 | _FBi | depends greatly on the doomm |
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| 03:15.03 | yoojin | internet and power collapse. you got batteries and solar obviously, but what about internet? how useless would be a computer after that? what steps can be taken to prepare? |
| 03:15.16 | yoojin | moreover, what do you use your computer for that you'd miss? |
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| 03:16.49 | _FBi | yoojin, with wifi you can still connect using a VPN |
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| 03:17.20 | yoojin | What if the internet as we knew it ceased to exist? |
| 03:17.36 | _FBi | you still have networking |
| 03:17.42 | _FBi | which is the internet |
| 03:17.50 | yoojin | I'll still have wikipedia, because I downloaded it. |
| 03:17.57 | _FBi | good call |
| 03:18.11 | yoojin | 10 gigs compressed. 40 gigs compressed if you download the image data too. |
| 03:18.17 | _FBi | just save the internet to a floppy incase of emergancy |
| 03:18.33 | yoojin | okay, sarcasm aside, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. |
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| 03:18.48 | yoojin | and lol, the proportions are about right. |
| 03:19.15 | yoojin | _FBi: look up wikipedia database download. get the torrent. |
| 03:19.35 | _FBi | I'd rather be dumb |
| 03:20.21 | yoojin | it's like having the collective knowledge of rocket science, chemistry, programming, etc. albeit maybe all condensed, imagine being able to access snake bites on wiki during the snakepocalypse. |
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| 03:21.23 | _FBi | you need to inject yourself with small amounts of vemon to build up a tolerance -- then the snakes will respect you |
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| 03:21.52 | yoojin | the snakes already respect my imposing demeanor and ability to play the panflute. |
| 03:22.20 | _FBi | getting off topic |
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| 03:22.42 | yoojin | yeah.. so how can I tame irssi with configurations to cut out all the joins and disconnects? |
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| 03:23.07 | _FBi | shrugs |
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| 03:23.48 | LtL | yoojin: /ignore #debian joins parts quits |
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| 03:24.47 | yoojin | LtL: +1 internets |
| 03:24.51 | yoojin | Thanks. |
| 03:24.53 | pksadiq | I was writing a document in libreoffice (from debian backports) on debian 7.5. And for some reason GNOME got stuck. The mouse moves. Nothing else. But I have access to console. So, Is there any way to ask libreoffice to save the document via console? |
| 03:25.02 | LtL | yoojin: /save to keep it |
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| 03:26.29 | yoojin | pksadiq: try this |
| 03:26.48 | yoojin | pksadiq: wait never mind.. :/ |
| 03:26.58 | yoojin | pksadiq: thought i found something but it wouldn't apply if gnome is locked up |
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| 03:28.15 | crn | pksadiq, can you find the file and copy it? |
| 03:29.01 | pksadiq | crn: How can I? But I have the previous version saved. I have not saved the last one |
| 03:29.16 | yoojin | pksadiq: wait. you may be able to check the user profile folder. |
| 03:29.32 | yoojin | I'm gonna have you try listing the documents in that folder to see if that file .bak exists, alright? |
| 03:30.28 | yoojin | go into /home/[youruser]/.config/libreoffice/[version number]/user/ |
| 03:30.42 | crn | pksadiq, find all the files with the name filename.* |
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| 03:31.57 | yoojin | if it's in there, you can just cp [yourfileinbackups] to ~/savedfile |
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| 03:32.12 | yoojin | then before you do anything else do a cat ~/savedfile to see the contents. |
| 03:32.16 | pksadiq | yoojin: there is nothing there with the .bak extension. Does that mean that the file is already saved? |
| 03:32.32 | yoojin | pksadiq: i do not know.. it can also mean backups are off. |
| 03:32.43 | yoojin | can you tell me where you had saved the document previously? |
| 03:33.58 | pksadiq | yoojin: in an ext4 partition. The path would be like /media/Personal etc... |
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| 03:35.02 | yoojin | pksadiq: maybe somebody else can help you better, i'm just a linux user and by no means expert on these issues. come on guys |
| 03:35.14 | yoojin | but be patient. |
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| 03:37.27 | crn | pksadiq, try this: updatedb (as root). then "locate filename" this should find all the copies, alive or dead. |
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| 03:38.16 | crn | pksadiq, then copy the newest one to your own extension eg filename.bak |
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| 03:43.47 | pksadiq | yoojin, crn: Never mind. I did a startx, which brought me a new X window (I don't know how two GUI works together though). This did help me... |
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| 03:50.29 | yoojin | I'll have to remember that for next time. Nice job! |
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| 03:50.33 | yoojin | Did you save your file? |
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| 04:03.01 | blackhole_ | I am trying to run vncserver for display :1 (using vncserver :1) but i am getting this error in log --> Warning: no access to tty (Bad file descriptor). Thus no job control in this shell. stty: standard input: Invalid argument Killing Xvnc4 process ID 9040 XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":2" after 143 requests (143 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 04:03.12 | blackhole_ | Anyone have any idea? |
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| 04:11.25 | dorito125 | Hi all, I'm trying to setup an email server am really not sure where to start. Could someone point me to a guide? I have a custom domain and ideally I'd like to forward email to my gmail account and be able to reply from my gmail account as my custom domain email. |
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| 04:26.50 | jmcnaught | dorito125: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/network-services.html#sect.smtp-mail-server is a good place to start. Running a mail server can be a lot of work and a lot of reading, but it's certainly doable |
| 04:27.09 | dorito125 | Thanks jmcnaught. |
| 04:28.18 | jmcnaught | dorito125: the postfix documentation is also quite good |
| 04:28.53 | dorito125 | I've started the setup in the past and it just seems so daunting. I'm looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix at the moment. |
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| 04:30.22 | jmcnaught | dorito125: also http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html and I know what you mean about daunting. The biggest priority is that you don't run an "open relay" and get yourself blacklisted |
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| 04:32.23 | dorito125 | I did a dpkg-reconfigure and it asked for the relays. It was pre-populated with {localhost... mydomain.org} I left the localhost entries. Is there a quick way to verify I am not running an open relay? |
| 04:32.29 | dorito125 | Bookmarked. |
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| 04:36.54 | jmcnaught | dorito125: there are some websites that test for you, but i'm not sure which to recommend. You can also test yourself. The mail server should only accept email for domains/addresses that it is reponsible for (your domains and addresses) and reject messages destined for other servers |
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| 04:40.20 | jmcnaught | dorito125: good luck.. also don't forget that Postfix is just one option. The default MTA in Debian is Exim4, and there are a few others. I found that reading http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321 and related RFCs really helped wrap my head around things |
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| 04:40.43 | dorito125 | Thanks jmcnaught! |
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| 05:27.01 | dpkg | terxx_: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:28.04 | ryonaloli | tldp is outdated |
| 05:28.11 | ryonaloli | terribly outdated |
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| 06:22.13 | Omilun | hello ... i have problem for copy and write and image from cd ... when i go to my file manager my cd_drive FOLDERS have lock icon |
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| 06:24.49 | builder_ | It's late and I can't google the right answer. Very tired. |
| 06:24.57 | builder_ | kexec? |
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| 06:28.50 | builder_ | ok. I remembered it's kexec. |
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| 06:28.59 | builder_ | thanks for the fish! |
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| 06:34.24 | jpinx | I just upgraded my jessie vm and now anacrom is running every second -- any reason for the change ? |
| 06:34.36 | jpinx | ...anacron |
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| 06:40.43 | Omilun | i have problem for copy and write and image from cd ... when i go to my file manager my cd_drive FOLDERS have lock icon |
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| 06:43.33 | Omilun | hello ... i have problem for copy and write and image from cd ... when i go to my file manager my cd_drive FOLDERS have lock icon |
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| 06:46.12 | builder_ | so what is the story with ruby on 14.04. specially rubyjems. |
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| 06:47.02 | builder_ | I tried installing foreman 1.5 on 14.04 and stopped because of rubjems it looked like. |
| 06:47.12 | Chipdancer | for the curious, to get zfs root on lvm working, I had to explicitly add an lvm entry to the kernel line and remove the legacy “zfs-bootfs (\$root) bootfs” line from /etc/grub.d/10_linux |
| 06:47.47 | sh00p | Anybody know of a good way to make sure that log files don't grow too large? I know that there is logrotate for syslog but afaik that only deals with time to live for logs and not size of the logs. Can I somehow make a rule that checks the actual size of the log files and rotates based upon that? |
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| 06:48.50 | sh00p | Ok my bad, there IS a size option for syslog |
| 06:48.53 | sh00p | nvrmind :) |
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| 07:16.09 | Voyager_MP | good morning, I wrote a script using printf like this printf "%*s\r%-25s\t %-25s\t %-25s\t %-15s \n" "$(tput cols)" "<ok>" "Checking Port: $device" "IPv4: $IP4" "MAC: $MAC" "Cabel: $LINK" |
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| 07:17.52 | Voyager_MP | works fine, but if I pipe the output in a mail the output is all wrong. Is there a way to avoid this ? |
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| 07:29.03 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: cron involved? |
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| 07:38.54 | wibrt | what would the keyword : i'm looking for a distro for my grandma, that just boots and shows family pictures and movies; suggestions? |
| 07:39.26 | bazhang | "debian" |
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| 07:39.47 | ChrisH | electronic picture frame? |
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| 07:40.08 | bazhang | set up mplayer to start once you login |
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| 07:40.38 | bazhang | put in init/or whatever debian uses these days startup |
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| 07:41.13 | wibrt | well, yes i could make some custom scripts, but if anyone has already implemented it.. (looking for elec pict fr now , tnx) |
| 07:41.39 | bazhang | you can easily piece together a "film" from family photos, and then tack on a movie throughout it |
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| 07:42.10 | bazhang | it's quite elementary really |
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| 07:44.54 | themill | wibrt: "kiosk" is often how this sort of thing is termed (locked down, can't do much) |
| 07:45.37 | wibrt | i know, but not all my family members know linux, or even pcs:), so if there was any easy fix to that out there.. (kiosk ok) |
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| 07:49.41 | datenritter | hi! is 0700 default for /root in wheezy? i just noticed some of my hosts have 0755, some don't. |
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| 07:53.02 | Voyager_MP | no cron |
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| 07:53.22 | Voyager_MP | ChrisH: no |
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| 07:54.17 | joltcan | datenritter: Yes 0700 seems to be the default |
| 07:54.27 | datenritter | joltcan: thanks |
| 07:54.36 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: OK. assumed that. Can you show us the output from both ways on paste.debian.net please? |
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| 07:59.48 | Voyager_MP | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/101134 |
| 08:00.53 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: I wanted the results :) But I assume the ${RED} does not work in ASCII mails :) |
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| 08:02.52 | Voyager_MP | Chrish: http://paste.debian.net/101135 |
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| 08:03.21 | Voyager_MP | this is the output |
| 08:03.59 | ChrisH | mail or commandline? |
| 08:04.03 | Voyager_MP | mail |
| 08:04.08 | Voyager_MP | cmd is fine |
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| 08:13.54 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: http://paste.debian.net/101139/ my output from that script after a minor change /sbin/ifconfig was needed. What Debian release with which mailer do you run? Does a simple date | mailx -s test -v someone@domain work as expected? |
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| 08:15.01 | Voyager_MP | jep |
| 08:15.32 | Voyager_MP | the problem is that the alignment is lost when using mail |
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| 08:23.05 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: still wiating for the answer to second question |
| 08:23.55 | Voyager_MP | date works fine |
| 08:24.28 | ChrisH | I might quote myself: "What Debian release with which mailer do you run?" |
| 08:24.37 | Voyager_MP | /sbin/ifconfig wont help, the problem ins in printf alignment, the variables are there... |
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| 08:31.48 | g105b | Can someone help me use a tool like nmap to monitor a ping on a specific port over time? |
| 08:32.14 | Voyager_MP | mtr |
| 08:32.32 | ChrisH | g105b: ping to a port? Nagios/OMD |
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| 08:35.17 | zafu | hi, should I use debian's kernels or bother to roll my own? |
| 08:35.39 | joltcan | zafu: Rolling your own is pointless in 99% of the case |
| 08:35.39 | xlinkz0 | hi everyone. i've installed mscorefonts and webpages look nice but can i make the system use those fonts aswell? |
| 08:35.50 | zafu | I've always compiled them myself, but find that linux-image-* works well |
| 08:35.53 | xlinkz0 | like in window titles, chrome's tabs etc |
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| 08:36.13 | zafu | joltcan: what would be the 1% where rolling them is useful? |
| 08:36.15 | joltcan | zafu: I haven't compiled kernels since early 2000 or so |
| 08:36.45 | joltcan | zafu: If you are a kernel developer or need some specific feature that is not in the mainline kernel, like proprietary network drivers or so |
| 08:36.54 | zafu | I see |
| 08:37.42 | joltcan | zafu: or if one thinks that the debian kernel team sucks. But other than that I just see if as waste of disk space and CPU time :) |
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| 08:38.00 | zafu | ack :) |
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| 08:38.32 | ChrisH | Voyager_MP: you still not not say anything about Debian version and used mailsystem. Search the issue there. |
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| 08:39.14 | Voyager_MP | cat /etc/debian_version ; mail -V |
| 08:39.17 | Voyager_MP | 7.5 |
| 08:39.18 | Voyager_MP | 12.5 6/20/10 |
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| 08:41.54 | giorgosp | guys I'm getting the following error : Could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority |
| 08:41.57 | ChrisH | there we have a difference. my mail command refuses -V option. I am using bsd-mailx as MUA and exim as MTA. |
| 08:42.11 | giorgosp | I tried changing permissions and the file owner but no results |
| 08:42.15 | giorgosp | any ideas?\ |
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| 08:42.57 | giorgosp | also tried apt-get install --reinstall |
| 08:43.05 | giorgosp | and removing the file |
| 08:43.14 | giorgosp | and restarting the daemon :P |
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| 08:49.09 | nkuttler | !tell giorgosp about errors |
| 08:50.53 | giorgosp | nkuttler: this is the exact error message Could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority |
| 08:50.59 | giorgosp | nothing more, nothing less |
| 08:51.12 | nkuttler | giorgosp: entire command + output please |
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| 08:51.54 | giorgosp | oh sorry, when I try to login on gnome3, this message pops up and prevents me from loggin in |
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| 08:52.30 | nkuttler | giorgosp: i see. hm, doesn't make much sense to me, but ls -l /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority ? |
| 08:52.47 | wols_ | giorgosp: ls -ld /var/lib/gdm3/;ls -ld /var/lib/gdm3/.ICE* |
| 08:53.17 | nkuttler | giorgosp: and the output of mount |
| 08:54.58 | giorgosp | nkuttler: -rw------- 1 Debian-gdm Debian-gdm 4238 May 22 11:52 /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority |
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| 08:55.14 | nkuttler | giorgosp: please use a pastebin |
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| 08:56.32 | wols_ | giorgosp: (as root): lsof |grep .ICEauth |
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| 08:57.00 | giorgosp | it was small :P the output of mount: http://pastebin.com/u9aXjhvX |
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| 08:57.46 | giorgosp | wols_: it gives no output |
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| 08:58.21 | wols_ | then delete the .ICEautority file. it could have been a leftover from a crash or such |
| 08:59.02 | giorgosp | already tried. no result. I also tried removing and re-installing and apt-get install --reinstall\ |
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| 08:59.13 | wols_ | if you remove it, is the file gone? |
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| 08:59.32 | giorgosp | yes |
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| 09:01.26 | wols_ | and then you start gdm how? |
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| 09:02.01 | giorgosp | I rm and reboot the computer |
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| 09:02.25 | giorgosp | I've also tried /init.d/gdm3 stop , then remove, then start\ |
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| 09:19.14 | cnodell | Has anyone here managed to get stalonetray to sit on top of the infobar in spectrwm? Or anything like it? The best I can do is get DWM to run with the systemtray patch but I like spectrwm a bit better... |
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| 09:19.55 | gaet | ciao |
| 09:19.58 | gaet | !list |
| 09:19.58 | dpkg | gaet: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:20.28 | cnodell | Sorry... Accidentally quit there. Back now. |
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| 09:22.56 | shawnbon2066 | some advice please |
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| 09:23.06 | shawnbon2066 | about to install mate on a fresh install of jessie |
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| 09:23.47 | shawnbon2066 | default repo or repo.mate-desktop.org/archive/1.8/debian/dists/jessie/ |
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| 09:25.21 | nkuttler | shawnbon2066: neither jessie nor third party repos are supported here |
| 09:25.37 | nkuttler | shawnbon2066: that being said, go with debian packages.. |
| 09:25.59 | shawnbon2066 | well the question is, is MATE even installable yet |
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| 09:26.18 | shawnbon2066 | from offical |
| 09:26.26 | shawnbon2066 | official* |
| 09:26.51 | vvor | I get: "FW-Blocked!!! IN=eth0 SRC=95.85.2.138 DST=192.168.1.150 LEN=52 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x80 TTL=49 ID=14720 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=53796 WINDOW=65 RES=0x00 RST FIN URGP=0" But this port/ip has no port forwording in my router. How does it get to the FWed box? Thnks. |
| 09:27.06 | nkuttler | shawnbon2066: there are some mate packages in testing, but no idea if that's a complete distribution. just try it |
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| 09:28.32 | petn-randall | vvor: Where is this output from? What is your setup? What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:31.50 | vvor | petn-randall: iptables on a debian box. with -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited & -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited. after a router that sould not forword any thing to it. |
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| 09:32.57 | asdfasdf93sfs | well hello |
| 09:33.39 | asdfasdf93sfs | my google-chrome is not running jre, i get a safety error... Any quick solutoins? |
| 09:34.02 | giorgosp | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23802506/could-not-update-iceauthority-file-var-lib-gdm3-iceauthority-on-log-in |
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| 09:35.02 | petn-randall | vvor: You rejected a packet with RST+FIN TCP flags set. The TCP connection could have also originated from the debian box. |
| 09:35.26 | solutoins | why would you reject it, it looks aight |
| 09:36.20 | vvor | petn-randall: but I got the IP: SRC=95.85.2.138 |
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| 09:39.37 | petn-randall | vvor: What do you mean with that? |
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| 09:43.02 | petn-randall | vvor: Does your router allow traffic from your Debian box to route to the internet? If yes, then that box could have initiated the connection, and one of the reply packets got filtered. |
| 09:43.32 | vvor | this is the src of the conaction, an outside internet IP. |
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| 09:43.54 | vvor | if my box initiated it should go in |
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| 09:44.32 | vvor | -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 09:45.37 | lapache_ | Hello, when i copy the debian netinstall iso with multisystem on my usb key, i can't see the first menu which permit the rescue mode. Do you know why ? |
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| 09:50.33 | vvor | lapache_: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_Can_I_use_d-i_as_a_rescue_system.3F_What_pitfalls_are_there.3F |
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| 09:52.00 | flip214 | Hi. I'm using kernel 3.14, and my /sys/fs/btrfs/features/compress_lzo is 0. How would I enable compression for btrfs? |
| 09:53.49 | Walex | 'btrs <something>' |
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| 09:55.19 | Walex | vvor: there is a channel for 'iptables' called #Netfilter for people who try to use 'iptables' |
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| 09:56.21 | flip214 | Walex: "btrfs property list /" says "compression" - would "property set" be what I want? |
| 09:56.33 | Walex | flip214: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression#How_do_I_enable_compression.3F |
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| 09:57.30 | Walex | flip214: but note that *does not compress existing files*. You need a flag to 'btrfs fsck' do to that. |
| 09:57.37 | vvor | Walex: yep I'm in it too, thnks:) |
| 09:57.38 | flip214 | Walex: I've got the compress mount options set. |
| 09:57.55 | flip214 | I can't set the compress property - I guess because the feature is not enabled. |
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| 09:58.07 | Walex | flip214: but note that *does not compress existing files*. You need a flag to 'btrfs defragment' do to that. |
| 09:58.30 | flip214 | Yeah, tried that already. |
| 09:58.49 | flip214 | But: the feature flag in /sys/fs/btrfs/features/compress_lzo is 0, I guess that's why there's no difference. |
| 09:59.40 | Walex | flip214: grep BTRFS "/boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 10:00.09 | flip214 | $ grep BTRFS /boot/config-3.14-1-amd64 |
| 10:00.10 | flip214 | CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=m |
| 10:00.10 | flip214 | CONFIG_BTRFS_FS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 10:00.10 | flip214 | # CONFIG_BTRFS_FS_CHECK_INTEGRITY is not set |
| 10:00.10 | flip214 | # CONFIG_BTRFS_FS_RUN_SANITY_TESTS is not set |
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| 10:00.30 | flip214 | 7 lines is too much? grmpf. |
| 10:00.54 | Walex | flip214: the conventional limit is 4, and many people object even to 4 |
| 10:01.09 | petn-randall | flip214: Reading the topic of the channel might give away crucial hints on how to stay on the channel. |
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| 10:01.23 | flip214 | well, 3.14 upstream has fs/btrfs/Kconfig with these options ... no separate compress option |
| 10:01.35 | flip214 | petn-randall: sorry, the topic got cut off because of the length ;/ |
| 10:02.20 | fishcooker | i've doing dist-upgrade here..the new kernel installed.. how to reconfigure grub to use the latest kernel rather than the old? |
| 10:02.43 | petn-randall | flip214: Imagine if every of the 1000 users in this channel would occasionally paste 10 lines in here ... it would become unusable. You can always review the topic by typing '/topic'. |
| 10:02.47 | flip214 | BTRFS_FEAT_ATTR_INCOMPAT(compress_lzo, COMPRESS_LZO); |
| 10:02.58 | fishcooker | i choose keep previous local menu.lst rather than package maintainer version |
| 10:03.02 | flip214 | I guess that compression isn't available in the 3.14 upstream kernel btrfs |
| 10:03.10 | SynrG | fishcooker: that should 'just work' unless you've changed the defaults |
| 10:03.31 | SynrG | fishcooker: or maybe you have grub not maintained by debian (got multiboot?) |
| 10:03.42 | wols_ | fishcooker: menu.lst is not used anymore. /etc/default/grub determines which entry is the default. or you can use "saved" |
| 10:03.45 | Walex | fishcooker: 'update-grub*' |
| 10:03.59 | SynrG | update-grub should've been triggered by the kernel install |
| 10:04.02 | SynrG | so there's nothing to do |
| 10:04.20 | SynrG | fishcooker: you're upgrading from what to what? |
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| 10:05.52 | fishcooker | this vpn look costum old menu.lst |
| 10:06.19 | Walex | flip214: that's a bit of cheating from upstream... |
| 10:06.34 | SynrG | fishcooker: is it even pure debian? or some custom image provided by your vps? |
| 10:06.47 | Walex | flip214: IIRC compression like some other "advanced" BTRFS storage layer features has been reported with some corner-case bugs. |
| 10:06.50 | fishcooker | costum image from the vps |
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| 10:07.00 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/101160/ |
| 10:07.02 | SynrG | fishcooker: then consult your vps help on this issue. |
| 10:07.09 | fishcooker | ok thanks SynrG |
| 10:07.18 | Walex | flip214: in general BTRFS *as a filesystem* is quite reliable. its storage management layer has some annoying mistakes. |
| 10:07.35 | SynrG | fishcooker: generic-pae sounds like ubuntu :p |
| 10:07.56 | SynrG | fishcooker: this is the debian support channel. see #ubuntu for ubuntu help |
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| 10:08.46 | paul_grozav | Hello, does anyone know how I can set quota on a remote file system? |
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| 10:09.07 | fishcooker | LoL |
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| 10:09.08 | fishcooker | sorry |
| 10:09.25 | fishcooker | miss#room |
| 10:09.51 | lapache_ | Hello, when i copy the debian netinstall iso with multisystem on my usb key, i can't see the first menu which permit the rescue mode. Do you know how can i access rescue mode please ? |
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| 10:11.08 | dupin | may I ask question about jessie here because I tried to go on debian-next and get message that i have to be invited there |
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| 10:11.22 | SynrG | lapache_: copy how? |
| 10:11.31 | bhuddah | dupin: #debian-next is on otfc and not on freenode. |
| 10:11.53 | Walex | dupin: connect to 'irc.debian.net' for #debian-next |
| 10:11.54 | dupin | ok I will try tnx |
| 10:12.00 | lapache_ | SynrG: using multisystem or unetbootin |
| 10:12.06 | SynrG | noooo |
| 10:12.16 | Walex | paul_grozav: probably. |
| 10:12.20 | SynrG | and therein lies your problem :) |
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| 10:12.47 | SynrG | !tell lapache_ about usb install |
| 10:13.15 | SynrG | lapache_: i have heard reading the manual is a good idea :) |
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| 10:14.06 | paul_grozav | Walex: i have another system in my network that has a lot of space and I need to mount a folder from there on one computer and set quota on that remote file system |
| 10:14.57 | lapache_ | SynrG: thanks but netinstall boots. The problem is that i have not the first menu for "rescue" |
| 10:15.13 | SynrG | lapache_: ... did you read the factoid i had dpkg bot send? |
| 10:15.14 | paul_grozav | Walex: actually let's put it simple, like this: I want to have the /home on my computer be on a remote server, but be able to set quota for each user on THIS computer (where the /home is mounted) |
| 10:15.15 | Walex | paul_grozav: thanks for letting us know. |
| 10:15.25 | SynrG | lapache_: you have shot yourself in the foot. just do it the documented way. |
| 10:15.54 | paul_grozav | Walex: Do you have any ideea how to do that? :) |
| 10:15.56 | SynrG | lapache_: you need no special tools to make the image bootable. it is a hybrid image that can be copied directly to the usb device as per the manual. |
| 10:16.14 | Walex | paul_grozav: someone somewhere may know the answer if they are psychic and can telepathically discover both the type of the remote filetree and the type of network filesystem protocol you use. |
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| 10:16.34 | lapache_ | SynrG: yes but my usb key contains several live OS |
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| 10:16.48 | SynrG | lapache_: then do it the alternate way in the manual |
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| 10:17.29 | Walex | paul_grozav: because not all filesystem types support quotas, and not all filesystem remote access protocols support quotas even if the underlying filesystem does. |
| 10:17.31 | paul_grozav | Walex: I did not mention any of that because I have no prefference on how to do it, any protocol is fine by me, |
| 10:17.34 | SynrG | lapache_: there's no fully automated way to accomplish what you want to do. and unetbootin is screwing you over (like it always does) |
| 10:17.54 | SynrG | lapache_: dedicate a USB key for the installer and things will go much better for you. |
| 10:18.08 | Walex | paul_grozav: then you can find your own answer by checking which of the common filesystem types and network filesystem protocols support quotas |
| 10:18.09 | SynrG | lapache_: or else do it the 'hard way' |
| 10:18.54 | Walex | paul_grozav: plus the network filesystem protocol must support not just quotas, but also remote 'root' privileges. |
| 10:19.05 | Walex | paul_grozav: probably NFSv4 does all that. |
| 10:19.18 | SynrG | lapache_: well, the debian installation guide calls it the 'flexible way' :) |
| 10:20.15 | SynrG | lapache_: that being said, you would need to construct your own boot entries doing it the 'flexible way' for rescue, etc. |
| 10:20.17 | paul_grozav | Walex: I guess NFSv4 is the best choice here, right? I mean, it must be faster than FTP or SSH(i'm in a LAN, i don't need encryption) |
| 10:20.42 | lapache_ | SynrG: thanks i go see this ;) |
| 10:20.50 | SynrG | lapache_: why not just boot the installer and escape back to the menu after doing the initial configuration, though? |
| 10:20.51 | Walex | paul_grozav: yes |
| 10:21.42 | SynrG | lapache_: i think that's all a rescue really is |
| 10:22.34 | xlinkz0__ | i'm running debian stable inside virtualbox but for some reason it's not getting the right resolution.. anything i could do to fix this? |
| 10:23.04 | flip214 | Walex: thanks a lot. So I'll just hope for 3.15 to bring back some diskspace ;) |
| 10:23.33 | paul_grozav | Walex: OK, so my problem is that the remote system that has the HDD inside does not have the user accounts I need to set my quota for. This other computer(that mounts the HDD) has the user accounts and must set the quota ... is that possible with NTFSv4 ? |
| 10:23.49 | Walex | paul_grozav: NTFS? |
| 10:23.57 | paul_grozav | NFSv4 sorry |
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| 10:24.42 | Walex | paul_grozav: it is possible, but perhaps it takes a bit more work than you think. Read very carefully the documentation for 'idmapd'. |
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| 10:24.58 | markotitel | Is it possibile to setup repo mirror for only one deb release? eg. wheezy |
| 10:25.35 | Walex | paul_grozav: but rereading what you wrote I now understand that you are really asking: "can I set filesystem quotas for non existing users"? |
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| 10:25.46 | Walex | paul_grozav: genius level question... |
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| 10:26.17 | h4xx | hello guys, I have to setup a document management system for my company. do you recommand a special one? it would be nice if i could connect it to our active directory |
| 10:26.36 | Extensa5630G | should't "firmware-linux-nonfree" package install many non-free proprietary drivers for my hardware?otherwise what dies it do? |
| 10:26.38 | babilen | markotitel: Sure, that's the default. Something like http://paste.debian.net/101146 would work nicely |
| 10:26.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell Extensa5630G -about firmware |
| 10:27.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell Extensa5630G -about microcode |
| 10:27.30 | lapache_ | SynrG: when i go back i can just execute a shell. I think rescue is a particular grub entry i will search for that |
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| 10:28.14 | Walex | lapache_: for rescue operations I just use GRML which is designed for that. |
| 10:28.31 | Extensa5630G | dpkg: who sent you to my PM :P |
| 10:28.32 | dpkg | Extensa5630G: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:29.43 | Walex | h4xx: "document management system" is a marketing concept invented by people who sell "document management systems". I doubt that free sw people recognize that a as a concept |
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| 10:30.01 | lapache_ | Walex: yes but the automaticall grub reinstall/update in the d-i is very nice |
| 10:30.20 | paul_grozav | Walex: Because, for example, having a NAS inside the LAN is not a solution (I think) because I would have to create an account ON THE NAS for each user, and then set the quota on the NAS for each user and then add an entry to /etc/fstab to mount the home of each user in /home/user1 /home/user2 etc |
| 10:30.34 | Walex | lapache_: but the d-i as you are discovering is also a rather awkward thingie |
| 10:30.39 | markotitel | babilen, I want to make local mirror to sync all files for wheezy repo |
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| 10:31.15 | Walex | paul_grozav: perhaps you need to figure out better how remote filetree access works :-) |
| 10:32.17 | Walex | paul_grozav: for example you don't need a separate 'fstab' entry per home dir. |
| 10:32.42 | Walex | paul_grozav: for example you don't need a separate 'fstab' entry per home dir. In most remote filetree access systems. |
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| 10:33.03 | lapache_ | Walex: what do you mean ? |
| 10:33.36 | Walex | paul_grozav: you may want to check whether your file server supports Kerberos and/or LDAP or other account management. |
| 10:33.50 | paul_grozav | Walex: I just need a solution to this simple problem: mounting the /home on server A from a remote system B and setting quota for the users on system A |
| 10:34.26 | Walex | lapache_: GRML is a full featured polished live environment, the d-i does rescue as a side effect and it is very limited. |
| 10:34.44 | paul_grozav | Walex: if they support that, does it mean it can solve my problem? is that enough? |
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| 10:35.19 | Walex | paul_grozav: your requirement is also that quota management happen *entirely* on the client side, because the system hosting the files does not have the same accounts. Good luck! |
| 10:36.02 | paul_grozav | Walex: Do you think there is a solution to this? :) |
| 10:36.56 | Walex | paul_grozav: probably a solution exists, and it may take less than 1-2 years to write it :-). |
| 10:38.24 | paul_grozav | Walex: Come on, if it's that hard, then I would rather create the accounts on the remote system and mount each home dir separately |
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| 10:40.42 | Walex | paul_grozav: a quota system requires you to create the quota accounts on the system on which the filetree physically resides. But you don't need to *export* each home separately, or even to *mount* each home separately. |
| 10:41.07 | Walex | paul_grozav: you may want to look at 'am-utils' or 'automount5' packages. |
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| 10:44.52 | SynrG | lapache_: are you aware the debian-live project makes a rescue image as well? |
| 10:45.30 | SynrG | lapache_: not as polished as grml, but easier to use than d-i's rescue. |
| 10:46.20 | SynrG | lapache_: see https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ... 'rescue' flavour |
| 10:46.40 | SynrG | and have the added benefit that they are supported here :) (grml is not) |
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| 10:47.24 | Nik05 | that "rescue" thing has all kinds of stuff :P |
| 10:48.19 | SynrG | it does indeed |
| 10:48.35 | SynrG | if that bothers you, then use a more focused solution |
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| 10:49.13 | SynrG | also, building a custom live image of your own with only the rescue stuff you want is an option. |
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| 10:54.13 | gdm85 | is the correct spelling ~/.Xsession or ~/.xsession? |
| 10:54.27 | gdm85 | I think it works both ways..but not really sure anymore :s |
| 10:55.21 | SynrG | it works both ways and this is documented |
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| 10:56.58 | SynrG | humm. well, 'man xsession' says .xsession. i'm pretty sure i saw .Xsession too, but maybe that was reading the code, not the doc. |
| 10:56.58 | wols_ | what if I have both files? are both of them used? |
| 10:57.52 | SynrG | ah, it is in the man page. read the section: |
| 10:57.55 | SynrG | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup |
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| 10:58.15 | SynrG | "the first one found is used" |
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| 10:58.58 | SynrG | i.e. the uppercase one will be preferred |
| 10:59.09 | SynrG | (lexically collates before lowercase) |
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| 11:19.35 | darsie | Hi! Which dyndns client supports no-ip.com? |
| 11:19.38 | khem_ | Is there any chance I can run jessie packages (unbound DNS server) on a Debian squeeze? |
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| 11:22.44 | themill | khem_: no, that's not going to work out at all |
| 11:23.09 | themill | dpkg: tell khem_ about squeeze-backports |
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| 11:38.36 | simon__ | hello!!! |
| 11:38.43 | simon__ | i'm a new user of debian |
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| 11:39.44 | simon__ | i download the 1st cd iso and install it |
| 11:39.59 | simon__ | it does not have a graphical user interface |
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| 11:40.14 | simon__ | how can i install a graphical user interface??? |
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| 11:42.54 | Walex | simon__: the first CD only has the most common packages... |
| 11:43.24 | Walex | simon__: you can use the dependency managed 'apt-get' to install the packages for the GUI over the net. |
| 11:43.38 | Walex | simon__: the installer will have configured suitable net sources for packages. |
| 11:44.04 | simon__ | great.. i will try that... Thanks for the advice!!!!!! |
| 11:44.06 | Walex | simon__: alternatively if you don't have a network connection you can use packages on more CDs or on BDs. |
| 11:44.23 | Walex | simon__: try 'apt-cache search desktop environment | less' |
| 11:44.49 | simon__ | ok.. i will try gnome... |
| 11:45.18 | Walex | simon__: some packages are "virtual", that is they have no content, just depend on other packages |
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| 11:45.48 | simon__ | so they are dependencies... right? |
| 11:45.58 | Walex | simon__: and there are "virtual" packages for various desktop environments, at various levels of completenees |
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| 11:46.14 | simon__ | but apt will do the job for me... right? |
| 11:46.47 | Walex | simon__: APT will do the job for you. |
| 11:47.05 | Walex | simon__: you can also see exactly what will get installed with for example 'apt-cache depends gnome | less' |
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| 11:47.27 | simon__ | sweet...!!! i'll try it... |
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| 11:47.32 | Walex | simon__: some of those packages also are "virtual" packages that pull in more stuff |
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| 11:48.39 | Walex | simon__: another nice tools to explore the list of available packages is 'aptitude' ('sudo apt-get aptitude') as it gives you a list of packages by "topic". |
| 11:48.53 | Walex | simon__: I personally prefer 'aptitude'. |
| 11:49.12 | simon__ | awesome.. |
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| 12:08.36 | Walex | Pupeno: you mean the 'domain' or 'search' options? |
| 12:09.26 | Pupeno | Walex: I mean domain. |
| 12:09.33 | Pupeno | I know how to specify the search ones. |
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| 12:11.26 | Walex | Pupeno: and what do you think is the difference between 'domain' and 'search'? Consider reading 'man resolv.conf' towards the end. |
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| 12:12.24 | Pupeno | Walex: ha! interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks. |
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| 12:18.55 | bartzy | Hello |
| 12:19.32 | bartzy | Is apt-get a better way of managing packages on debian than aptitude ? |
| 12:20.06 | bartzy | I know aptitude uses apt-get eventually, but I noticed in some upgrade documents that it is strongly suggested not to use aptitude, only apt-get. Why is that ? What is “worse” about aptitude ? |
| 12:20.12 | wols_ | bartzy: /msg dph why aptitude /msg dpkg why apt-get |
| 12:20.19 | bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.21 | wols_ | bartzy: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 12:20.40 | bartzy | thank you |
| 12:20.47 | bartzy | this is very helpful |
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| 12:21.53 | bartzy | so why is aptitude worse for squeeze->wheezy upgrades, if it’s doing smarter depdency decisions ? |
| 12:21.58 | bartzy | wols_: ^ |
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| 13:07.37 | Dudytz | abrotman: curiosity ... but from what server (url) the mirrors do the rsync? |
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| 13:08.44 | abrotman | why would it matter? Do you need to make a mirror? |
| 13:08.53 | themill | Dudytz: many mirrors use rsync and are prompted to update directly by the debian infrastructure. |
| 13:09.33 | Dudytz | themill: ok, thank you |
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| 13:09.56 | Dudytz | abrotman: no ... only curiosity |
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| 13:19.42 | rmldotzero | Hi people, is it normal if a normal install of Wheezy with KDE runs with a temperature of almost 60 C in idle in my laptop? GPU is an Intel integrated one |
| 13:20.02 | rmldotzero | (sry for my English) |
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| 13:20.50 | Walex | rmldotzero: yes, but usually the target temp for laptop CPUs is more like 50-55C |
| 13:21.07 | jelly | rmldotzero: is acpi_cpufreq module loaded? |
| 13:21.09 | Walex | rmldotzero: perhaps your laptop is designed to run at a higher temp than most others. |
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| 13:21.13 | BotaniCar1 | rmldotzero: check your CPU load when laptop is idling, and if it's high, see what causes it. Looks to me like you haven't cleaned your laptop in a while. |
| 13:21.21 | Walex | rmldotzero: check CPU utilization with 'top' or 'powertop' |
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| 13:23.19 | rmldotzero | sorry now I'm not with my laptop, but I can tell I checked CPU load with KDE system monitor |
| 13:23.33 | rmldotzero | and the highest load was Iceweasel with 2% |
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| 13:25.05 | BotaniCar1 | rmldotzero: What were your temperatures before you installed Debian/KDE? When did you last clean the laptop ( disassemble it, use a can of compressed air on passive coolers, replace thermal compound on CPU) ? |
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| 13:27.02 | jelly | rmldotzero: come back when you're able to answer questions, then |
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| 13:28.24 | rmldotzero | I can't remember the temperature, but I remember with Debian/Gnome3 it wasn't so hot.! |
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| 13:28.47 | rmldotzero | ok jelly |
| 13:28.48 | rmldotzero | thanks |
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| 13:39.23 | Roxxor | Hello, I have debian (to be more precise: xbian) on my raspberry pi. As this is no problem other xbian users have and nobody can help me there, I jsut hope you can help me :) I want to do a standard sudo apt-get upgrade. But the package base-files can not be upgraded. http://pastebin.com/jCtxYmJX Can somebody help me? Thank you very much :) |
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| 13:40.32 | babilen | Roxxor: You want #xbian |
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| 13:41.07 | Roxxor | babilen: I tried it there, sadly nobody could help me. |
| 13:41.12 | babilen | Ah, you are coming from there. Unfortunately we only support pure Debian (and pure blends) in here and no derivatives. |
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| 13:42.07 | babilen | Roxxor: This also looks like a problem that is specific to their packages, so I guess that you have to be patient. Check their bugtracker if they have one. |
| 13:42.42 | Roxxor | Hm. Ok thank you. Just one question: THe error itself. Is it produced by my system or by the package? For me it looks like the dot in the path is the problem: unable to make backup symlink for `./usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ': No such file or directory |
| 13:42.44 | jelly | seems to be a second derivative, off of raspbian |
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| 13:43.34 | Mariofashion | Ciao |
| 13:43.39 | Mariofashion | !List |
| 13:43.42 | dpkg | mariofashion: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 14:01.01 | Peper123 | Hello, I migrated my old PC from WinXP to Debian - LXDE, but when I try youtube, videos are just choppy and unwatchable. If I play video using VLC, it plays smoothly. Youtube was working much better on XP. What can be the problem? |
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| 14:02.42 | thid | Peper123: youtube videos are probably playing with gnash |
| 14:02.51 | thid | you could have a look at unfree packages |
| 14:03.05 | thid | if you want flash to work like on xp |
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| 14:04.19 | thid | I think adobe flash is faster than gnash for most content |
| 14:04.35 | Peper123 | Yes I have installed nonfree flash player, but on iceweasel it does not even play video and on chromium it's choppy also |
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| 14:04.57 | thid | you also enabled the extension in iceweasek |
| 14:05.02 | thid | iceweasel* |
| 14:05.07 | thid | and disabled the gnash one? |
| 14:05.29 | Peper123 | I chcecked the plugins section and flash player was enabled. |
| 14:05.41 | Peper123 | Gnash was not installed at that time |
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| 14:06.06 | thid | okay Peper123 |
| 14:06.25 | Peper123 | I also tried to install flash player by download it from adobe and installing manually |
| 14:06.35 | Peper123 | does not help |
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| 14:16.21 | As001 | hello my debian wheezy server has high load and I can't find reason. on ps aux I can see 150% CPU and load on uptime is not 1.5 it's 10. Cpu is 80% idle anytime, there is a lot of free memory, it is not waiting for i/o too but that invisible load shows up in waves. |
| 14:17.07 | thid | Peper123 I guess the easiest thing to do would be to download locally each youtube video you want to watch |
| 14:17.15 | thid | with vlc or an iceweasel plugin |
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| 14:21.46 | A|an | Is there a switch that can be added to apt-get, to track down ALL dependencies (even though apt-get's supposed to do that), and not resort to using/trying -f (force)? |
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| 14:22.20 | A|an | *track down and ADD all dependencies |
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| 14:22.40 | builder_ | Where is the dead tree? |
| 14:22.45 | wols_ | A|an: what would be the point? apt-get already does this. it does it always and you can't opt out from it either. it's the only way apt worsk |
| 14:22.49 | wols_ | *works |
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| 14:23.05 | wols_ | !tell A|an about bat |
| 14:23.43 | bhuddah | As001: please try to provide more data. |
| 14:23.53 | Walex | As001: it depends if the CPU load is aggregate across all CPUs or per CPU. |
| 14:23.55 | themill | A|an: additionally, -f means fix not force. |
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| 14:24.12 | Walex | As001: a 20% CPU load can mean 100% one of CPU out of 4. |
| 14:24.36 | A|an | wols: Okay, I'm having a bit of a problem installing lsb-core...which is required in order to get google earth to work...(let me upload a screen shot to imgur..just a sec) |
| 14:24.57 | Brigo | As001, did you look at logs? may be some dma, irq o disk fail could cause it. |
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| 14:24.59 | A|an | (I'd go with fix...whatever works!) |
| 14:25.14 | A|an | maybe i'll try to that..just a sec |
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| 14:25.28 | wols_ | A|an: don't. use a apt-get in a console and put it onto a pastebin |
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| 14:26.33 | A|an | ok |
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| 14:28.20 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/101193/ |
| 14:29.44 | A|an | I tried to install googleearth, built a deb file, and it placed an icon in my gnome menu...is it partially installed?? |
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| 14:30.08 | A|an | why does apt-get even reference it when I try to install lsb-core?? |
| 14:30.20 | Walex | A|an: it might have been better to use 'equiv' |
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| 14:30.30 | wols_ | ,v lsb-core |
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| 14:30.41 | judd | Package: lsb-core on i386 -- squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian12; sid: 4.1+Debian12 |
| 14:30.44 | Walex | A|an: 'apt-get' is just telling you what there are pending issues. |
| 14:30.57 | wols_ | A|an: show the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 14:32.46 | A|an | Walex: well, as you see, I tried to sequentially install the required packages, but ran into a problem...pax had unmet requirements, tried to install them and met further requirements... |
| 14:33.14 | A|an | I'm just curious if apt-get can sequentially track down and install all dependencies as they're met |
| 14:33.16 | Walex | A|an: then you have done something really wrong. 'apt-get' is really good at doing dependencies right. |
| 14:33.26 | A|an | great |
| 14:33.28 | A|an | ... |
| 14:33.39 | Walex | A|an: so follow <wols_> request... |
| 14:33.42 | A|an | I guess I need to backtrack |
| 14:33.57 | A|an | how do you do that? |
| 14:34.19 | Walex | A|an: just run 'apt-cache policy | pastebinit' |
| 14:34.22 | A|an | just that: apt-cache policy |
| 14:34.25 | A|an | okay |
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| 14:35.11 | jelly | A|an: typically you just run "apt-get -f install" and it tries to resolve all the dependencies and make its state neat |
| 14:35.37 | jelly | so, "dpkg -i weird.deb", then it fails with dependencies unmet, then "apt-get -f install" |
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| 14:36.00 | Walex | A|an: but you may have to run the equivalent 'dpgk' line before, and 'apt-get -f install' will tell you. |
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| 14:36.10 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/101195/ |
| 14:36.30 | Walex | A|an: in your situation what is worrying is that 'pax' has issues, and 'pax' is a pretty simple thing. |
| 14:36.50 | A|an | I'm going to undo everything I've done up to this point... |
| 14:36.52 | jelly | ,v pax |
| 14:36.54 | judd | Package: pax on i386 -- squeeze: 1:20090728-1; wheezy: 1:20120606-2; jessie: 1:20120606-2+deb7u1; sid: 1:20120606-2+deb7u1; experimental: 1:20120606-3 |
| 14:37.02 | A|an | kinda running outta time, right now |
| 14:37.27 | A|an | I think building the dep file was where things got in the ditch |
| 14:37.41 | A|an | dep file for googleearth |
| 14:38.00 | Walex | A|an: if you started with 'dpkg' that's a bit of a problem, but even so 'apt-get -f install' short sort it out. |
| 14:38.07 | A|an | it was supposed to incorporate everything that googleearth needed to install |
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| 14:38.38 | A|an | yes, had to use dpkg |
| 14:39.00 | A|an | great...okay, let me work on this...thanks for the help |
| 14:39.00 | themill | A|an: I've not see the paste of just "apt-get -f install" |
| 14:39.08 | A|an | ok |
| 14:39.10 | A|an | just a sec |
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| 14:41.02 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/101196/ |
| 14:41.28 | A|an | really, nothing different from apt-get w/o -f |
| 14:41.52 | View | How do I change the text color in debian standard |
| 14:42.03 | themill | A|an: that's not the output of "apt-get -f install" |
| 14:42.11 | A|an | ? |
| 14:42.51 | themill | A|an: "apt-get -f install lsb-core" ≠ "apt-get -f install" |
| 14:42.53 | A|an | apt-get -f install lsb-core didn't show the result of that command...I think I'm not following |
| 14:43.03 | A|an | ok |
| 14:43.12 | KaaK | what debian pacakges are needed for compiling out-of-tree kernel modules? linux-source, or just linux-headers? |
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| 14:43.46 | wols_ | KaaK: headers normally |
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| 14:43.51 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/101198/ |
| 14:43.53 | A|an | interesting! |
| 14:44.16 | themill | that's why apt has been telling you to run that each time. |
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| 14:44.40 | Blashyrkh | i have a server where incoming mails for one user got processed by a script called in .procmailrc. after doing a apt-get install sendmail, the server suddenly stopped acceptingmails |
| 14:44.51 | Blashyrkh | and iam a bit at a loss as to wher to start? |
| 14:45.05 | A|an | It's installing everything..i obviously didn't know the syntax for apt-get -f |
| 14:45.07 | Blashyrkh | what is accepting mails out of the box on debian? |
| 14:45.19 | Walex | A|an: amusingly some Debian commands change semantics rather radically depending on whether they have arguments or not. |
| 14:45.50 | KaaK | also, in the vain of deeper understanding, what are the contents of the kernel-headers? aside from the linux source C headers + generated C headers, it appears like there are some scripts and some bits of kbuild in there. |
| 14:46.01 | Blashyrkh | i also cannot connect to port 25 with telnet any longer |
| 14:46.08 | themill | A|an: tbf, apt did tell you the exact command to run. «Try 'apt-get -f install'» |
| 14:46.11 | wols_ | Blashyrkh: exim normally is |
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| 14:46.30 | Blashyrkh | so what could i have broken by installing sendmail? |
| 14:47.04 | A|an | GoogleEarth is working! |
| 14:47.08 | themill | Blashyrkh: sounds like you removed your working mail setup and replaced it with an unconfigured sendmail. I bet you didn't really want sendmail. |
| 14:47.11 | A|an | Thanks a lot, guys! |
| 14:47.18 | Blashyrkh | yes i think so |
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| 14:47.29 | Blashyrkh | i mean i didnt really want sendmail |
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| 14:47.40 | Blashyrkh | some script complained about not finding sendmail, and i jsut installed it |
| 14:48.03 | Blashyrkh | but at least its an opportuniity to understand the mail system on my server :D |
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| 14:48.57 | wols_ | then remove it again. the script probably wanted /usr/sbin/sendmail and since /usr/sbin/ isn't in the path for normal users, it complained |
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| 14:49.05 | wols_ | reinstall exim btw |
| 14:49.19 | Blashyrkh | i think i got postfix installed before |
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| 14:49.49 | wols_ | that's fine too |
| 14:49.57 | Blashyrkh | is the sendmail install removing postfix or exim when installing? |
| 14:50.31 | wols_ | yes. you can only have one MTA. pointless to have all of them installed: they all want port 25 for example |
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| 14:56.31 | Sbroker` | Hi |
| 14:56.34 | Sbroker` | feedback : No problem with vm made in Debian with vmware and started in windows 8.1 in a ntfs partition |
| 14:56.38 | aryklein | !test |
| 14:56.38 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:56.46 | aryklein | !www.google.com |
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| 14:57.12 | aryklein | !google |
| 14:57.13 | dpkg | Google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. http://www.google.com/ See also <chromium>, <gmail>, <googledns>, <googleearth>, <googletalk>, <gsoc>, <gtalk>. |
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| 14:58.24 | Blashyrkh | so still my script is complaining about not being able to use sendmail, is there a different way to do it with postfix? |
| 14:58.48 | wols_ | Blashyrkh: I told you about the path issue, didn't I? |
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| 15:00.23 | Blashyrkh | i removed sendmail an reinstalled postfix, that was the solution i read from youre answer, sry if i didnt understand that correctly |
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| 15:01.50 | Blashyrkh | ah okay now i got it, sry |
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| 15:04.59 | View | KO |
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| 15:14.00 | As001 | Walex,Brigo I looked everywhere, it's 2 cpu x6 core 12 core *2 I see 24 cores. on top i can see jumps to 20 or 30 on ps aux when I do sum of all cpu ussage i get 150%. I think I should see 1.5 on top or uptime I don't know why those jumps to 10-30. I can pastebin ps aux sorted by cpu usage. |
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| 15:14.48 | As001 | Can nfs cause such problems ? |
| 15:15.04 | jelly | As001: do things in general work, and do you see slowdowns? |
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| 15:16.10 | As001 | well i see call quality issues on Asterisk and I supose it can be because of load. |
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| 15:16.16 | jelly | As001: yes, waiting for IO (nfs in your case) can certainly increase the number of processes in run queues |
| 15:17.00 | jelly | As001: is there a reason for asterisk to be running on the same machine that depends on networked storage? |
| 15:17.01 | As001 | but I don't see w/a on top |
| 15:17.26 | As001 | yes I am writing xml files during calls and other server reads it. |
| 15:18.05 | jelly | As001: "vmstat 1" r and b columns and wa would be indicative of io issues |
| 15:18.54 | Walex | As001: sometimes load average is calculate as # of process in 'R' state, sometimes as either 'R' or 'D' state. |
| 15:18.59 | As001 | i will check and write |
| 15:19.08 | jelly | As001: does the other server need to read them synchronously over nfs as soon as they appear? is the machine with asterisk nfs server or client? |
| 15:19.25 | jelly | there're probably saner ways of dealing with CDRs |
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| 15:32.32 | As001 | asterisk is server other is nfs client |
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| 15:32.47 | As001 | other need to read as soon as first write |
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| 15:33.57 | As001 | w/a on vmstat 1 is from 0 to 2 |
| 15:35.06 | As001 | I don't deal with cdr thisway I just write status in xml files which I get from asterisk AMI, and other server is reading it and displaying. |
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| 15:39.06 | jelly | As001: what happens if you try using samba instead, just to exclude or confirm nfs? |
| 15:39.34 | As001 | I didn't try that. Here is my ps aux list http://pastebin.com/CwiQZ0ay |
| 15:41.24 | jelly | As001: is it normal for asterisk to allocate 2GB address space there? |
| 15:41.41 | As001 | here is vmstat 1 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7501885/ |
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| 15:42.02 | jelly | ours eat less 3377 asterisk 20 0 299m 231m 14m S 0 22.9 445:59.50 asterisk |
| 15:43.20 | As001 | I have plenmty of memory I think 32 GB it's not swapping. |
| 15:43.20 | jelly | then again that's a 32bit installation |
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| 15:44.17 | As001 | I guess its not to bad because its medium-large call center. |
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| 15:45.15 | As001 | abouat instalation it's amd64 instalation with kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 wheezy. |
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| 15:45.52 | As001 | with those ps result i see load load average: 8.35, 7.47, 6.88 on top |
| 15:46.06 | As001 | I think I should see around 1.5 of load. |
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| 15:49.05 | As001 | about memory i have a lot of it in cache, small free but it's not swapping. |
| 15:49.07 | jelly | As001: load average does not show cpu usage. |
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| 15:52.01 | As001 | here is memory http://paste.ubuntu.com/7501918/ i think it is ok. |
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| 16:10.10 | ziftex_ | any recommadations for open source access points with simple setup for small office? |
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| 16:12.09 | qman__ | Not sure if it fits your definition of open source, but Unifi by Ubiquity has an excellent multi access point solution |
| 16:12.31 | qman__ | And the controller software is available in a debian package |
| 16:13.55 | qman__ | The access points themselves run busybox |
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| 16:17.24 | ziftex_ | Won't need a controller. very small scale :) |
| 16:17.49 | qman__ | The controller is required for every scale, down to 1 |
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| 16:18.38 | ziftex_ | Most AP's can be deployed as standalone. |
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| 16:18.59 | qman__ | It doesn't have to stay online for the APs to work |
| 16:19.09 | qman__ | It is required for configuration |
| 16:19.19 | qman__ | Unifi isn't likke most aps |
| 16:19.46 | ziftex_ | If you take a look at HP/Cisco AP's you will find documentation on controller-less setups |
| 16:20.02 | qman__ | Check them out, its a good design |
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| 16:20.19 | qman__ | And it costs way less than HP or Cisco |
| 16:20.40 | ziftex_ | Will do that. thanks. |
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| 16:24.36 | Guest39102 | I have downloaded firefox29 on my wheezy, it's a tar.bz2 how could install to the application menu and if possible to the repository as well? |
| 16:24.38 | afsal | how to permanently solve this problem ? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!, of apt |
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| 16:25.35 | afsal | Guest39102: you can read the README file inside the tar file |
| 16:26.04 | afsal | there is the steps to install the package |
| 16:26.08 | petn-randall | Guest39102: Use http://mozilla.debian.net/ if you want to use a firefox/iceweasel release newer than in wheezy. |
| 16:26.22 | petn-randall | Guest39102: It comes with easy instruction on that page. |
| 16:26.46 | petn-randall | afsal: You'll have to provide the full output to http://paste.debian.net for us to know what's going on. |
| 16:26.49 | afsal | petn-randall: i'm also using iceweasel29 |
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| 16:28.07 | petn-randall | Guest39102, afsal,I'm off now, if you get stuck someone else in the channel can surely help you. |
| 16:28.29 | afsal | here http://paste.debian.net/101226/ |
| 16:28.31 | Guest39102 | thanks |
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| 16:29.36 | afsal | here http://paste.debian.net/101226/ not only for a specific package. |
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| 16:31.20 | mtn | afsal: how about pasting you sources.list to paste.debian.net? |
| 16:31.22 | afsal | i tried apt-get update , so it solved. But after install a package it arises again how it solve permanently plz help |
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| 16:32.58 | afsal | mtn: here http://paste.debian.net/101228/ |
| 16:34.27 | mtn | afsal: any chance that package was coming from dotdeb? |
| 16:35.35 | afsal | sorry, I don't know. How can I know thar |
| 16:35.38 | afsal | sorry, I don't know. How can I know that |
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| 16:36.40 | Guest39102 | Im trying to install Iceweasel 29, from http://mozilla.debian.net/ i see several distro for Iceweacel: esr, release, beta. aurora. Which i have to choose to get the latest Iceweasel29? |
| 16:36.48 | codepython777 | systemd or sysvinit scripts run services at boot using root. Is there a way to do userspace services? |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | Guest39102: release |
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| 16:37.27 | mtn | afsal: I don't usually use this tool, but I think "apt-cache sim4" would show some good info |
| 16:37.44 | average | may I ask a recommendation for a NNTP console client other than sinntp or suck in Debian ? |
| 16:37.48 | afsal | mtn: it not problem of sim4 |
| 16:38.15 | afsal | Guest39102: try iceweasel backports : deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release |
| 16:38.40 | mtn | afsal: your paste looked like it was. what package is causing the problem, then? |
| 16:38.49 | codepython777 | I guess i could just use systemd to start / stop user services. |
| 16:38.52 | afsal | ^it will give latest one 29.0.1 |
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| 16:40.51 | Guest39102 | ok. now it says: You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list. How to do it? |
| 16:40.55 | afsal | mtn: I'm just given sim4 as example. This problem arises when upgrading, dist-upgrading and also installing packages. This problem can solve updating, but it is not a permanent way. This problem arises again after a few minutes later of update |
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| 16:41.40 | mtn | afsal: I have heard dotdeb can cause issues and your problem is not one the debian repos usually has |
| 16:41.44 | afsal | Guest39102: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list then paste that line in sources.list |
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| 16:48.54 | afsal | mnt: any idea? |
| 16:49.06 | Guest39102 | I can't paste it don't know why. anyway I think I have done some mess with mousepad trying to change the repository, can someone check it? http://paste.debian.net/101232/ |
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| 16:49.32 | mtn | afsal: just what I said about dotdeb. otherwise, sorry no idea. |
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| 16:49.53 | voom | how do tell windows to auth (to access the share) when logging on to a roaming profile |
| 16:50.04 | Guest39102 | I mean maybe I have done some mess last days, not now with Iceweasel |
| 16:50.10 | afsal | ok, I dont beleave that :) |
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| 16:50.22 | afsal | but I removed dotdeb, thanks... |
| 16:50.59 | afsal | Guest39102: any error? |
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| 16:51.27 | Guest39102 | afsal, do you see some error in my repository? |
| 16:51.27 | afsal | Guest39102: sources.list is fine |
| 16:51.58 | afsal | Guest39102: just run: sudo apt-get update |
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| 16:52.46 | afsal | Guest39102: why don't you paste backport in source list? |
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| 16:53.27 | Guest39102 | ok now i just must copy deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release and then sudo apt-get update, right? |
| 16:53.43 | afsal | yep |
| 16:54.06 | afsal | copy into sources.list |
| 16:54.19 | afsal | /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 16:54.21 | afsal | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:58.55 | Guest39102 | Is impossible to copy that file in the terminal after sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list Last time I have done it with mousepad, because I have xfce. How to do it again? |
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| 17:00.05 | afsal | Guest39102: you can use any GUI text editors like gedit |
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| 17:01.08 | Guest39102 | xfce has mousepad, how to give the command line to edit from the text editor? |
| 17:01.08 | doranvm | sorry |
| 17:01.47 | afsal | Guest39102: what? |
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| 17:02.32 | afsal | Guest39102: are you saying you can't use mouse in nano ? |
| 17:02.43 | Guest39102 | To insert deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release I need to open the GUY text editor, I have mousepad. |
| 17:03.13 | Guest39102 | yes but I don't know the command |
| 17:03.18 | afsal | then open it ! |
| 17:03.33 | afsal | oh :) |
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| 17:03.47 | afsal | here sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:04.14 | afsal | Guest39102: ^ |
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| 17:05.52 | Guest39102 | I can't modify it in the terminal |
| 17:05.56 | Guest39102 | damn |
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| 17:06.30 | afsal | Guest39102: why |
| 17:06.45 | Guest39102 | don't know, it is impossible to save it |
| 17:07.02 | afsal | press ctrl+x |
| 17:07.09 | afsal | then press y |
| 17:07.38 | mtn | Guest39102: maybe you need to be root. in a terminal: su, root password, then try the command without sudo |
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| 17:08.40 | afsal | mtn: i think he don't know how to save a file in nano |
| 17:08.53 | mtn | afsal: yup, I saw that. we will see :) |
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| 17:13.09 | vlt | Hello. The default behaviour of mysql-client seems to have changed between Debian 6 and 7. When a UTF-8 locale has been generated utf8 is now used as @@character_set_client by default, though the manpages states otherwise ("latin1"). Can anyone confirm? |
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| 17:13.55 | vlt | And should the manpage be updated? |
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| 17:14.22 | Guest39102 | Hhahahaha I have deleted all souce lists |
| 17:14.29 | Guest39102 | damn!! |
| 17:14.51 | Guest39102 | everything is disappeared |
| 17:14.54 | afsal | Guest39102: very good! :) |
| 17:14.55 | ratcheer | I have an instance of Debian with Gnome and systemd. When I go to a console, what is the proper way to terminate X ? |
| 17:14.55 | mtn | Guest39102: impressive! |
| 17:15.30 | mtn | ratcheer: systemctl stop gdm? |
| 17:15.33 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, today in one of my servers I couldn't execute ssh, scp or vim. Found also that in /usr/bin/ are at least 30 commands that do not have the X bit set for root... what might have happened?? |
| 17:15.36 | dimitry7 | was I hacked? |
| 17:15.49 | afsal | Guest39102: do you know how to use nano? |
| 17:15.49 | Guest39102 | I am King of debian! hahha ok later I will fix it :) |
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| 17:15.58 | ratcheer | mtn: I tried that. It does not exist (gdm service) |
| 17:16.10 | mtn | ratcheer: gdm3? |
| 17:16.19 | Guest39102 | nano etc/apt/source.list al by root |
| 17:16.31 | ratcheer | mtn: Thanks, I will check that. |
| 17:16.47 | Guest39102 | all* anyway I have added that line and saving is gone everything. Dunno why |
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| 17:17.24 | afsal | Guest39102: lol |
| 17:17.26 | mtn | Guest39102: it is sources.list, not source.list |
| 17:17.50 | Guest39102 | sources ues |
| 17:17.54 | Guest39102 | yes |
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| 17:21.41 | Guest39102 | No guys. It's not disappeared, now I can see it again, maybe I wrote wrong on the terminal. This is the result in the terminal now, can you check please if is everythiong ok included the order of the lines? |
| 17:21.48 | Guest39102 | http://paste.debian.net/101237/ |
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| 17:23.32 | afsal | Guest39102: ok, then updatem run this: sudo apt-get update |
| 17:23.46 | Guest39102 | Do I have to add "main contrib non-free" as well to the first line? |
| 17:24.04 | afsal | no |
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| 17:28.47 | feitingen | i'm trying to generate a preseed using debconf-get-selections --installer on a freshly installed debian/stable, but most of the options there seems to be random gibberish |
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| 17:30.30 | Guest39102 | Installed Iceweasel 29.0.1 thanks |
| 17:30.43 | afsal | omg!!! :) |
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| 17:31.06 | Guest39102 | hahaha!! ;) |
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| 17:33.09 | feitingen | examples: it sets locale to chinese, location to africa and timezone to phillippines, and i'd like to set it all to London/UK |
| 17:34.11 | Guest39102 | What do you think guys about the installation of the software-center? Is ok or is bad for Debian as some people say? |
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| 17:34.49 | ratcheer | Guest39102: It's not for me, but use it if you want to |
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| 17:35.39 | Guest39102 | some guy told me that it make the system unstable... |
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| 17:36.06 | Guest39102 | and I will have problems with it. dunno |
| 17:36.23 | afsal | Guest39102: don't install software center, use Synaptic |
| 17:36.33 | ratcheer | Guest39102: Then it is simple, don't use it |
| 17:37.11 | Guest39102 | I will try with synaptic ok |
| 17:37.14 | afsal | Guest39102: When you bore with gui you can use apt |
| 17:37.47 | Guest39102 | yes right |
| 17:38.16 | afsal | Guest39102: first try synaptic, after some experience slowly move to APT, it really make you king :) |
| 17:38.53 | afsal | because don't move your hands to mouse |
| 17:39.04 | afsal | that is experts style... :) |
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| 17:39.27 | Guest39102 | yes sure |
| 17:39.28 | Mousey | try to avoid aptitude |
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| 17:40.31 | afsal | yeah |
| 17:40.41 | afsal | use APT not aptitude |
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| 17:41.08 | afsal | Mousey: but aptitude's search option is my daily tool |
| 17:41.19 | Mousey | apt-cache search |
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| 17:41.20 | Mousey | :) |
| 17:41.35 | afsal | Mousey: aptitude search |
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| 17:41.51 | afsal | it looks better the apt-cache |
| 17:42.12 | Mousey | has no further comment |
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| 17:44.24 | Carlito_________ | I am a debian ignorant then I still must use the guy |
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| 17:47.35 | Carlito_________ | What's the main differences between debian and fedora? |
| 17:48.24 | Arrowmaster | why are you suggesting to not use aptitude? its the recommended tool most of the time |
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| 17:50.24 | afsal | Arrowmaster: if you like aptitude you can use that :) |
| 17:50.41 | feitingen | Carlito_________: package management is different (apt-get instead of yum) and config files are in different places |
| 17:50.49 | Arrowmaster | theres official docs recommending it over the other tools |
| 17:51.15 | afsal | Arrowmaster: that guy Guest39102, i think he is a newbie :) |
| 17:51.16 | Walex | Carlito_________: three: Debian is an independent project, it aims to release infrequent, but long lived releases, and it uses a completely different package and dependency manager |
| 17:51.54 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 17:52.03 | Walex | Arrowmaster: the main issue is that the dependency resolution algorithms are different, and most package dependencies are only tested with 'apt-get'. |
| 17:53.24 | Carlito_________ | afsal, yes i am a newby. I have chaged nick |
| 17:53.39 | afsal | yep :) |
| 17:53.42 | Carlito_________ | ok thanks |
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| 17:56.33 | Carlito_________ | I am a newby but an old guy! :D |
| 17:57.55 | afsal | I think that, how old are you? |
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| 17:59.28 | papi83dm | is it a bad idea to upgrade from debian 6 (32bit) to 7(64bit) or is it a fresh install recommended? |
| 18:00.06 | _aeris_ | papi83dm > not possible to install 64 bits on 32 bits |
| 18:00.24 | _aeris_ | binaries are not compatibles |
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| 18:02.15 | afsal | papi83dm: you can't |
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| 18:03.51 | papi83dm | thanks, I will go with the original plan, to move the data out, do a clean install and then move the data back |
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| 18:04.17 | matrium | hi, I can't get my apt to ingnore my previously set proxy settings. I unset all my proxy env variables and created an empty /etc/apt/apt.conf. But apt is still trying to resolve the adresses over the http proxy |
| 18:04.38 | _ren_ | Free porn http://x.co/4giIQ <- Sorry the advertising, my intentions are good... |
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| 18:07.13 | papi83dm | when is end of life for debian 6 |
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| 18:08.23 | Arrowmaster | may 6th |
| 18:08.30 | Arrowmaster | 4th |
| 18:08.31 | Arrowmaster | may 4th |
| 18:08.38 | wols_ | papi83dm: google squeeze-lts |
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| 18:11.26 | papi83dm | thanks wols |
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| 18:18.33 | papi83dm | !pkg |
| 18:18.57 | papi83dm | dpkg apache |
| 18:18.57 | dpkg | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:19.23 | papi83dm | dpkg apache2 |
| 18:19.25 | dpkg | apache2 is actually version 2.2 in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"; this is a virtual package provided by a worker, ask me <apache2 mpm>. Ask me about <install apache>, <apache config>, <apache manual> and <apache backport>; see also <cnrd>, <userdir>. Additional help in #httpd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:21.37 | NiLon | I'm not sure if "high-performance" is proper word used with modern apache :p |
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| 18:25.17 | rhizome | i.e. not http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux.html |
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| 18:35.34 | voom | can debian tell windows to auth when accessing the roaming profile |
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| 18:36.19 | Mousey | might also ask that in #samba |
| 18:36.49 | voom | im using a workgroup |
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| 18:37.04 | voom | not a domain |
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| 18:51.55 | hagbard_celine | hi there. Does anybody know how I can create dynamic javascript coded pdfs on linux? |
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| 18:52.57 | nkuttler | hagbard_celine: what do you mean? are you using something like nodejs or do you want to generate a pdf file on the fly in the browser? |
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| 18:54.45 | hagbard_celine | no a customer sends me a dynamic pdf which is coded in javascript. if you set a checkbox a price will calculated and printed on a invoice included in the pdf. I know this is possible in Adobe InDesign but I don’t have adobe products |
| 18:55.04 | nkuttler | hagbard_celine: oh, i see. no idea |
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| 18:55.15 | hagbard_celine | :-) shit adobe |
| 18:55.17 | jhutchins | hagbard_celine: Best answer is "maybe". |
| 18:55.27 | jhutchins | hagbard_celine: Try OOfice. |
| 18:55.38 | nkuttler | yeah, libreoffice maybe |
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| 18:56.05 | hagbard_celine | I also read about. so i have to have a look in to the doku of oo |
| 18:56.11 | jhutchins | kpdf, xpdf (probably not), evince... |
| 18:56.18 | nkuttler | apparently TeX can also do interactive pdfs |
| 18:56.55 | hagbard_celine | yes. the question is if I could get the existing code of the pdf for editing |
| 18:57.25 | hagbard_celine | there is just a small change and a complete new pdf requires some time |
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| 18:58.38 | jhutchins | hagbard_celine: Just open the pdf with a text editor then, unless it's encrypted or compressed. |
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| 18:59.05 | hagbard_celine | I will have a look |
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| 18:59.40 | hanibana | Hi, is there any way to find out details on what has been cached by Linux filesystem caching? |
| 18:59.55 | hagbard_celine | it’s binary |
| 18:59.57 | hagbard_celine | :-( |
| 19:00.09 | hagbard_celine | I will have a look what i could do |
| 19:00.20 | hagbard_celine | thanks a lot |
| 19:00.22 | hagbard_celine | ;-) |
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| 19:07.16 | Walex | hagbard_celine: you can easily get the code of a PDF. 'man pdf2ps' |
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| 19:07.52 | hagbard_celine | ah this sounds interessting |
| 19:07.55 | LinuxGuy2020 | soundconverter seems to be missing the m4a/aac option for output format. I have faac installed and all the standard gstreamer stuff. Are there any other apps that can convert to that format? It used to work so I'm assuming its a bug. |
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| 19:08.08 | hagbard_celine | is oo enable to work with ps files? |
| 19:08.18 | Walex | hanibana: you asked for "any way" and the answer is "yes". |
| 19:08.33 | codepython777 | If I install systemd on my debian box, how do i add a script like this and run it: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mozilla-services/circus/master/debian/circus.service ? |
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| 19:08.55 | hanibana | Walex, and what's that way? :p |
| 19:09.15 | Walex | hanibana: 'gdb' |
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| 19:10.48 | hanibana | Walex, it's about linux itself, does not a memory profiler or something like that make more sense? |
| 19:11.06 | codepython777 | anyone using systemd here? |
| 19:11.13 | Walex | hanibana: https://www.linux.com/learn/linux-training/33991-the-kernel-newbie-corner-kernel-and-module-debugging-with-gdb |
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| 19:12.04 | Walex | hanibana: AFAIK nobody has written a dedicated command to do that. |
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| 19:12.53 | Walex | hanibana: people who need to know details of which blocks of which file get cached are usually familiar with GDB. |
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| 19:16.24 | thessy | mail to existing mail-list-address causes "rejected RCPT [...] : Unrouteable address" in rejectlog |
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| 19:16.47 | thessy | how can i start exim4 to debug this, what happens in detail? |
| 19:16.53 | LinuxGuy2020 | fixed |
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| 19:19.02 | codepython777 | I just installed systemd-sysv and when i dist-upgrade, it says it will install sysvinit and remove systemd, is this normal? |
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| 19:22.28 | zq_ | um |
| 19:22.54 | zq_ | is there a way to convince debootstrap to --no-install-recommends the arguments of --include? |
| 19:22.58 | zq_ | if that made sense |
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| 19:25.12 | Yatekii | guys I cannot open the debian .isos with my mac, any similar problems? (I can open any other .iso) |
| 19:26.02 | thessy | Yatekii: no md5sum files? |
| 19:26.14 | Yatekii | nope but we tried the same files on linux |
| 19:26.21 | Yatekii | and it worked |
| 19:26.34 | Yatekii | and I dont think all the debian isos are compromised |
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| 19:28.00 | zxcvbs | hi could anyone helpme with this? or tell me where to ask? http://askubuntu.com/questions/470749/social-based-github-site-for-art-projects-creation what kind of licensing im searching? |
| 19:28.01 | thessy | with md5sum you assure that transporting of the file went ok |
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| 19:28.48 | jhutchins | Yatekii: Try converting them to .dmg with Disk Manager. |
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| 19:29.22 | jhutchins | Yatekii: I think OSX does not read the .iso format directly. |
| 19:29.48 | Rackmount | Greetings. When partitioning in Wheezy (7.5) for GPT on a UEFI system, is it normal for there to be 1MB of free space created at the beginning of the disk, and 768K to be created at the end of the disk. It seems that the GPI wiki suggests it is, but I'm just trying to make sure this isn't a symptom of a problem. |
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| 19:30.38 | nea1 | hi, how can i make debian reload the partitions without rebooting? |
| 19:30.54 | jhutchins | !uefi |
| 19:30.55 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 19:31.07 | nea1 | kpartx -u doen't work and echo 1 > /sys/block/sdd/device/rescan |
| 19:31.14 | sh622 | unmount and mount ? |
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| 19:31.16 | nea1 | aswell |
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| 19:31.42 | nea1 | sh622: i deleted sda4 and created sda5+6 as exended dev |
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| 19:33.08 | Rackmount | jhutchins: was that meant for me? If so, is the information I'm looking for at www.uefi.org? |
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| 19:35.22 | Ropiazza | salve |
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| 19:35.39 | Azrael_- | i've got multiple remote hosts in my munin configuration. now i removed one of them, how can i get rid of the display in the web frontend? |
| 19:35.40 | Ropiazza | ciao |
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| 19:36.42 | Ropiazza | ciao a tutti |
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| 19:37.16 | centrx | !it |
| 19:37.19 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:37.28 | jhutchins | Rackmount: I don't know for sure, but I do know the keyword for uefi! |
| 19:37.43 | jhutchins | Rackmount: Hopefully you'll find something useful there. |
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| 19:38.12 | View | In the debian standard release how do i change the text color |
| 19:38.17 | Rackmount | jhutchins: alrighty, I'll definitely look. Thanks. :) |
| 19:38.31 | Ropiazza | salve |
| 19:38.39 | Ropiazza | !list |
| 19:38.39 | dpkg | ropiazza: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:40.03 | mtn | View: might help to say what text you want to change |
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| 19:40.40 | View | mtn the main text from gray to blue |
| 19:42.03 | mtn | View: main text? you mean when not booting to a desktop? during boot? or? |
| 19:42.09 | Rackmount | I've found two pages now that refer to a "primary partition table" and a "backup partition table" which goes into the last block of the hd. I'm pretty sure this must be normal if I'm reading this right. |
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| 19:42.26 | View | After boot and login |
| 19:43.11 | mtn | View: login to a desktop or not? a desktop is like gnome or kde, for instance |
| 19:43.21 | View | No oit |
| 19:43.56 | mtn | View: oit means what? |
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| 19:44.16 | View | mtn it is the "standard edition" of debain, sorry i messed up typing |
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| 19:44.36 | jhutchins | View: Are you in the console or in a GUI? |
| 19:44.38 | mtn | View: I have no idea what a "standard edition" means, either. |
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| 19:45.26 | codepython777 | is this a bug in debian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7502766/ ? |
| 19:45.34 | codepython777 | or am i doing something wrong? |
| 19:45.35 | View | mtn console and the live version of the console version is called standard |
| 19:45.55 | mtn | View: really? ok |
| 19:46.31 | mtn | View: so, at least we now know you want to change the text while running in a console, not a gui. |
| 19:46.43 | View | mtn yeah, lol |
| 19:47.10 | jhutchins | View: Not sure who it would be "called standard" by ... |
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| 19:47.57 | View | jhutchins the download link |
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| 19:49.38 | jhutchins | View: The default debian installer will usually build a Unity desktop (with the current version iirc). |
| 19:49.51 | mtn | jhutchins: unity? really? |
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| 19:50.15 | jhutchins | mtn: Yeah, I use XFCE so I'm not sure. |
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| 19:50.34 | alesan | hi, I would like to build up a rootfs for armhf/wheezy |
| 19:50.34 | mtn | jhutchins: wheezy is gnome, jessie is xfce |
| 19:50.37 | jhutchins | mtn: D'Oh, what am I thinking? Wrong channel. |
| 19:50.45 | mtn | jhutchins: ha |
| 19:50.46 | Nik05 | jhutchins ubuntu... |
| 19:50.46 | jhutchins | View: No, not Unity, Gnome3. |
| 19:50.48 | alesan | in the past I remember I used multistrap but I have no idea how to do it now |
| 19:51.03 | jhutchins | Nik05: Yep, two tabs to the right. |
| 19:51.22 | mtn | jhutchins: darn that multitasking! |
| 19:51.23 | alesan | I have a list of packages that I'd like to be downloaded and installed in a directory |
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| 19:51.38 | alesan | how can I do? |
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| 19:53.04 | mtn | View: you can google "debian change font in console" for some reading and ideas |
| 19:53.24 | View | Alright thank you |
| 19:53.27 | day_ | does anyone knows his way around server racks? |
| 19:53.43 | day_ | ive got a mechanical question |
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| 20:01.40 | dizzylizzy | I feel like a moron. I just enabled a VPN while ssh'd into my home computer, and now I can't connect to that computer |
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| 20:03.14 | poolson | dizzylizzy. yes, you ARE a moron! |
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| 20:05.40 | Yatekii | jhutchins: well I never had troubles with isos |
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| 20:05.56 | nr4fva | how do i set up a font in DEBIAN+LXDE to have same font that i have in windows xp? |
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| 20:06.00 | nr4fva | (hi) |
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| 20:06.23 | dizzylizzy | poolson: thank you |
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| 20:08.50 | Arrowmaster | nr4fva: you can install the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package but they are rather ugly, the other option is the fonts-liberation package which has fonts that look similar but dont render ugly on linux |
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| 20:09.49 | nr4fva | what you mean by render ugly? they wont render the same like on windows? (mscorefonts)? |
| 20:10.03 | nr4fva | i dont use cleartype if that matters |
| 20:10.07 | nr4fva | i have crt screen |
| 20:10.50 | Arrowmaster | they didnt in the past, they might look a little better now since some patents on font rendering have expired, i dont know if the options in freetype have been switched to support the now expired patented methods |
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| 20:13.53 | Tenkawa | Anyone running debian on a samsung chromebook by chance and been successful at rebuilding the kernel? |
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| 20:18.28 | cnz | what's the packaeg name to install just the basic gnome desktop not all the bloat it comes with |
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| 20:19.02 | Mousey | gnome doesn't come with bloat |
| 20:19.19 | Mousey | gnome is by definition, neutered and featureless |
| 20:19.22 | Mousey | :( |
| 20:19.25 | Mousey | i miss gnome |
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| 20:19.40 | cnz | Yes it does come with bloat |
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| 20:20.24 | cnz | looks like it's gnome-cre |
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| 20:20.36 | cnz | but I want gnome2 not gnome3 |
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| 20:21.33 | jhutchins | !mscorefonts |
| 20:21.33 | dpkg | ttf-mscorefonts-installer (previously msttcorefonts) is a <contrib> package which installs the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "TrueType core fonts for the Web" (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). An Internet connection is required for downloading these fonts if not locally available. See also <liberation>, <carlito>, <caladea>. |
| 20:22.07 | centrx | cnz, Gnome is moving on to be more and more bloated. Switch to KDE, XFCE, LXDE, openbox, etc. |
| 20:22.16 | jhutchins | nr4fva: See above. |
| 20:22.40 | cnz | centrx: don't tell me what to do kthnx |
| 20:22.44 | cnz | Kde is shit |
| 20:22.47 | cnz | and buggy |
| 20:23.11 | centrx | cnz, Didn't you just tell me what to do? |
| 20:23.18 | nr4fva | jhutchins, there is no tahoma |
| 20:23.18 | cnz | I love how stupid people like centrx tell others what to use like people aren't allowed to use what they want to |
| 20:23.33 | nr4fva | centrx, and KDE isnt bloated? |
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| 20:23.43 | centrx | nr4fva, It's better on that front than Gnome3 |
| 20:23.43 | cnz | centrx: are you black, because you're iq level is about the same as a black persons |
| 20:24.01 | cnz | actually no it's not, gnome3 is way better than kde |
| 20:24.07 | cnz | gnome3 just has a shitty ass UI |
| 20:24.13 | cnz | kde is buggy and shit |
| 20:24.27 | centrx | !ops racist insults |
| 20:24.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: centrx complains about: racist insults |
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| 20:24.52 | cnz | oh how cute, centrx is a tattle tail |
| 20:24.57 | nr4fva | what is racism? |
| 20:25.00 | cnz | I didn't say anything racist either btw |
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| 20:25.32 | nr4fva | abrotman, why you killed him? |
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| 20:25.49 | abrotman | Really? You have to ask? |
| 20:25.52 | tworkin | good riddance |
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| 20:26.13 | nr4fva | abrotman, yes |
| 20:26.20 | nr4fva | expecting answer |
| 20:26.25 | centrx | nr4fva, This is an official support channel for Debian, not the place to insult people trying to help. |
| 20:26.25 | abrotman | nr4fva: Perhaps you should re-read the last few minutes |
| 20:26.58 | nr4fva | centrx, but you didnt report him for insulting, you reported him for "racism" |
| 20:27.06 | ompaul | nr4fva: give it a rest |
| 20:27.07 | nr4fva | but i agree, being compared to black is an insult |
| 20:27.08 | abrotman | Move along please |
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| 20:27.21 | ompaul | abrotman: ... |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | ? |
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| 20:32.04 | abrotman | centrx: also, keep the bloat comments to yourself ;) |
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| 20:33.31 | codepython777 | Is there a timeline to move jessie to stable? |
| 20:33.33 | centrx | Everyone's a Gnome fan these days... |
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| 20:33.41 | abrotman | codepython777: just like the other day, we told you then too |
| 20:33.48 | abrotman | centrx: no, i'm just saying it's not productive |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | centrx: it incites a flame war, like you just saw |
| 20:34.09 | ompaul | centrx: untrue they'll never take me |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | "No, Ratpoison is bloated! No, vi is bloated!"d |
| 20:34.21 | abrotman | codepython777: Any further questions? |
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| 20:34.35 | centrx | <insert incendiary insult here> |
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| 20:35.03 | codepython777 | abrotman: system v init scripts are supported in jessie. Will they continue to be supported longterm? Or will they be dropped for systemd? |
| 20:35.06 | ompaul | lights up the on the insult an replies with a blank stare |
| 20:35.39 | abrotman | codepython777: No one knows .. I don't see why it matters to you now. Pick one to use, support it as you see fit |
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| 20:37.05 | centrx | codepython777, I thought sysvinit would still be an option, but that might change |
| 20:37.19 | codepython777 | centrx: thanks |
| 20:37.25 | centrx | codepython777, e.g. systemd is an option on wheezy though sysvinit is the default |
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| 20:38.15 | Arrowmaster | its unknown but its expected that right now sysvinit scripts will remain supported as long as sysvinit is still used as the default on any debian release such as kfreebsd or hurd |
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| 20:38.45 | abrotman | codepython777: it will be an optoin |
| 20:38.47 | codepython777 | centrx: that changes on jessie. |
| 20:39.10 | centrx | codepython777, Right, so it should flip the two, so sysvinit is an option and systemd is the default |
| 20:39.50 | codepython777 | centrx: I guess i'll just use systemd on wheezy, and then when we upgrade, i'll have to change some stuff to get it to work. |
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| 20:49.30 | testman | Hi |
| 20:49.33 | testman | Anyone here? |
| 20:49.52 | testman | I have problem with installation of latest debian |
| 20:50.08 | centrx | testman, What is the problem? |
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| 20:52.04 | testman | I downloaded debian-live-7.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso, made LiveUSB and booted the thing, and installation went fine until it asked me to use mirror, unless I want minimal base system. |
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| 20:52.29 | wols_ | testman: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 20:52.36 | testman | eth0, working |
| 20:52.57 | testman | I can ping google and browse internet in iceweasel |
| 20:53.11 | wols_ | then what is the actual error you get? |
| 20:53.19 | testman | but whichever mirror i choose in installer I get error |
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| 20:53.37 | testman | "an error has been detected while trying to use the specified debian archive mirror" |
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| 20:53.54 | wols_ | ignore it. you can fix it later easily |
| 20:54.00 | wols_ | !tell testman about wheezy sources.list |
| 20:54.03 | testman | I tried UK, US, germany, austria, few other countries... |
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| 20:54.09 | centrx | testman, Try http.debian.net |
| 20:54.20 | centrx | testman, That should give you a reliable mirror near your geographic location |
| 20:54.30 | centrx | testman, (See message from dpkg) |
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| 20:54.41 | testman | OK, will try |
| 20:55.37 | testman | nope, same error |
| 20:55.47 | blue_sky | testman: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch |
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| 20:56.20 | blue_sky | it will generate a 'good' /etc/apt/sources.list for you |
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| 20:57.05 | abrotman | no, do NOT use that website |
| 20:57.09 | abrotman | do not even recommend it |
| 20:57.16 | abrotman | it does horrible bad things |
| 20:57.33 | blue_sky | abrotman: no? results were fine for me. OK, I won't recommend it again. |
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| 20:57.41 | abrotman | blue_sky: Really, should we review your sources? |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:58.11 | abrotman | Unless they've changed it in the past couple of weeks (I seriously doubt it), do not use that site |
| 20:58.23 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 20:59.13 | centrx | blue_sky, I think the problem with it is it always returns an ftp.XX.debian.org |
| 20:59.15 | testman | what are my sources.list supposed to look like? |
| 20:59.24 | blue_sky | abrotman: maybe my needs were simple - and I have some experience with Debian? anyway, back to the issue at hand... |
| 20:59.34 | testman | I have 4 lines there, 2 deb and 2 deb-src |
| 20:59.37 | teraflop | sorry but whats the point of generating a "good" sources.list? |
| 20:59.53 | centrx | teraflop, So it works properly and is fast |
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| 21:00.27 | teraflop | cabe: you mean by set the correct country? |
| 21:00.36 | teraflop | sorry i mean centrx |
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| 21:01.18 | testman | I would say my sources.list is fine |
| 21:01.37 | centrx | testman, Can you paste the complete error message at paste.debian.net ? |
| 21:01.52 | centrx | testman, and your /etc/apt/sources.list would be good too |
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| 21:02.51 | testman | OK |
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| 21:05.05 | teraflop | i still dont get the point, there are mirrors allover the world, why using 3rd part apps to generate the sources.list is beyond my comprenhension |
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| 21:06.14 | Nik05 | ok i have never got this to work, but now its time. How to configure a keymap that doenst only work in terminal but also in forexample iceweasel? |
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| 21:07.34 | blue_sky | teraflop: it was a quick fix when I was in hurry and couldn't remember what I should use, it's given me local repos and it works fine for me. Take a look at the link to see what it does, though, as you have seen, it's not recommended by most, I just happen to have had a good experience with it. |
| 21:07.35 | centrx | teraflop, There seem to be a number of little issues with the sources generated by that site, that could be disastrous for someone, e.g. it points to "stable" instead of "wheezy" |
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| 21:07.48 | testman | http://paste.debian.net/101289 |
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| 21:08.00 | blue_sky | centrx: so it does, fixing now! |
| 21:08.11 | centrx | blue_sky, oh this is your site? |
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| 21:08.56 | blue_sky | centrx: no, I used it, I had a cat of my sources in a terminal and could see it. |
| 21:09.03 | centrx | ah, okay cool |
| 21:09.25 | userf | sysvinit in wheezy do not work on vps after dist-upgrade |
| 21:09.41 | wols_ | doesn't work |
| 21:09.48 | userf | http://tamcore.eu/openvz-debian-7-und-sysvinit/ |
| 21:09.54 | userf | this is old bug |
| 21:09.59 | Arrowmaster | blame your vps provider for using openvz |
| 21:10.25 | userf | Arrowmaster: is it about openvz? |
| 21:10.42 | Arrowmaster | yes, because openvz isnt real virtualization |
| 21:10.49 | centrx | testman, You are able to ping http.debian.net ? |
| 21:11.18 | testman | yep, 27ms |
| 21:11.28 | userf | Arrowmaster: it's interesting, so maybe another provider find |
| 21:11.41 | Arrowmaster | find one that uses xen or kvm |
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| 21:12.03 | wols_ | heh, I like that link "SysVinit soll in naher Zukunft ohnehin durch Upstart ersetzt werden." -> Sysvinit will be replaced by Upstart in the near future". yeah right |
| 21:12.23 | centrx | testman, I'm not sure. Could there be some hidden character in the file that is attached to the mirror URL? |
| 21:12.24 | userf | Arrowmaster: my privider is very cheap exone_pl |
| 21:12.34 | centrx | testman, If you comment out the deb-src lines does it work? |
| 21:12.44 | testman | will try |
| 21:12.52 | testman | I comment out with #, right? |
| 21:12.55 | centrx | testman, Yes |
| 21:13.02 | centrx | testman, then run apt-get update |
| 21:13.24 | testman | ok |
| 21:13.32 | Arrowmaster | yes the cheapest ones use openvz and the like which are more like chroots/bsdjails than real virtualization, this means you get forced to use the hosts kernel and have to deal with incompatibilities between the newer software and older kernel |
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| 21:13.58 | Mousey | if you want something even less like virtualization that OpenVZ, try Docker |
| 21:14.13 | testman | Commented out and updated. Still same error. |
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| 21:15.25 | blue_sky | testman: what country are you in? |
| 21:15.31 | testman | Slovenia |
| 21:15.36 | centrx | testman, There are some lines in the syslog that indicate it could be an issue with your network setup |
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| 21:16.02 | centrx | testman, It fails on some IPv6 things, maybe IPv4 is working (ping) but apt-get update is using IPv6 |
| 21:16.08 | centrx | testman, Try ping6 http.debian.net ? |
| 21:16.16 | testman | trying |
| 21:16.20 | blue_sky | testman: if it was China, well, that could have been a reason. |
| 21:16.49 | testman | Nope, ipv6 does nto work |
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| 21:17.20 | centrx | I bet that's it then |
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| 21:18.30 | testman | I taught we had quite some time left before ipv6 becomes must-have for all computers. |
| 21:19.10 | testman | hmm, i will have to learn to set up ipv6 then fast. |
| 21:19.29 | testman | I will try to enable it and come back if problem does not go away. |
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| 21:20.10 | testman | Thank you all for your help. I would buy beer for everyone if I could. (no bitcoins in my wallet :( ) |
| 21:20.24 | centrx | testman, It is supposed to work out of the box. I'm not sure what's wrong. Maybe you have a really old router or something? |
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| 21:20.41 | centrx | Thanks |
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| 21:25.39 | aef | is there any embedded board (kind of like Raspberry Pi) that is officially fully supported by Debian. meaning you can just use a default image, put it onto an SD card and it works? please tell me such a board exists. |
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| 21:27.08 | zykotick9 | aef: i'd investigate the BBB |
| 21:27.23 | aef | BeagleBone ? |
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| 21:28.14 | zykotick9 | beagle board black |
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| 21:28.42 | zykotick9 | oh you're right beaglebone black ;) |
| 21:29.15 | aef | zykotick9: so no custom kernels or any non-packaged software needed there? |
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| 21:34.38 | zykotick9 | aef: i don't know, but you can see Debian is listed first on their "software compatibility" list... i don't own one myself. |
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| 21:36.06 | blue_sky | banging my head against an m4a file from iTunes, what do I need to install to play this? |
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| 21:39.13 | tworkin | blue_sky: try VLC, but if it is DRMed then youre stuck with needing itunes |
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| 21:40.24 | AimHere | audacious should play m4a files too, DRM permitting of course |
| 21:40.34 | blue_sky | tworkin: iTunes has been burned here, wiped the MacMini and put Debian on it, OS X is *awful* as a media center, even with Apple TV. |
| 21:41.11 | blue_sky | AimHere: is audacious GUI? I'm looking for a solution that will work with MPD |
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| 21:41.26 | AimHere | It's GUI, yes |
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| 21:42.29 | blue_sky | OK, thanks, back to Google, faad2 looks possible unless the track is DRM'd |
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| 21:43.10 | AimHere | If the track is DRM'ed, either pinch a proper version from your peer-to-peer network of choice, or boycott it! |
| 21:43.40 | blue_sky | AimHere: don't know how to tell if it's DRM'd |
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| 21:43.47 | AimHere | Or complain to whoever is using media files to inflict proprietary software on you |
| 21:44.00 | blue_sky | this one track is saying "Giving up searching valid MPEG header after 65536 bytes of junk." |
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| 21:44.55 | blue_sky | IIRC, iTunes should indicate if a purchase has DRM, will have to login and rummage there. |
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| 21:45.19 | AimHere | I think mpg123 is mpeg-specific, so probably not good for m4a |
| 21:45.42 | blue_sky | AimHere: that sounds reasonable. |
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| 21:50.39 | zykotick9 | blue_sky: what does "mplayer foo.m4a" do/say? |
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| 21:55.40 | blue_sky | zykotick9: mplayer: command not found :) |
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| 21:57.24 | blue_sky | zykotick9: m4a is now playing, I think the problem was getting mpd to play ball |
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| 21:59.02 | blue_sky | ? now that it's playing may I recommend Fever Ray 'If I had a heart' (heard it on Breaking Bad and had to buy it) |
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| 22:02.08 | blue_sky | OK, bed time, night all. |
| 22:02.54 | aguitel | is anyone testing Pale Moon browser in debian ? |
| 22:03.32 | sh622 | aguitel: i've heard of it but haven't tried it. why would anyone want to when there's iceweasel? |
| 22:03.50 | Kookoz | what's the best browser ? |
| 22:04.14 | aguitel | sh622, coz in squeeze the last iceweasel is not avaleable |
| 22:04.56 | sh622 | aguitel: can't you just download firefox then? |
| 22:05.02 | centrx | !best |
| 22:05.03 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:05.23 | aguitel | sh622, i did |
| 22:05.25 | centrx | Kookoz, Kookoz, chromium and iceweasel (Firefox) are the most widely used, and best website support |
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| 22:05.58 | centrx | chromium (Chrome) |
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| 22:06.02 | Kookoz | probably chromium then.. |
| 22:06.04 | Kookoz | i hate firefox |
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| 22:07.53 | sh622 | hate is a strong word. it's free and open source software written to help people |
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| 22:16.37 | Smx | hello |
| 22:17.16 | Smx | i made a script that makes use of ckbcomp to parse layout files in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols |
| 22:17.37 | Smx | but i get a strange behiavor with fujitsu keymap layout files |
| 22:17.47 | Smx | in path /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/fujitsu_vndr |
| 22:18.00 | Smx | ckbcomp says |
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| 22:18.23 | Smx | ERROR: no valid keyboard layout found. Check the input. |
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| 22:18.35 | Smx | so i went look the layout file |
| 22:18.42 | Smx | and it has the following line |
| 22:18.48 | Smx | xkb_symbols { |
| 22:19.07 | Smx | now i see all the other layout files (exept fujitsu ones) have got a name before { symbol |
| 22:19.17 | Smx | example xkb_symbols "basic" { |
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| 22:19.48 | Smx | but i also notice the two fujitsu keymap files only have a single xkb_symbols {} block in each file |
| 22:19.53 | Smx | so i don't know if |
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| 22:20.28 | Smx | 1) it's allowed to have no name if there's a single xbk_symbols block in the file (and it's ckbcomp bug) or |
| 22:20.44 | Smx | 2) it's not allowed to have an empty symbol group name, and it's locale bug |
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| 22:32.55 | Norwack | what is the default permissions for /var/log ? |
| 22:33.17 | Norwack | and what should i do to prevent shell users to get the IP of other users? |
| 22:33.21 | centrx | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 May 22 06:14 log |
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| 22:34.00 | Norwack | centrx: whats that for the chmod command? |
| 22:34.08 | centrx | 755 |
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| 22:34.18 | centrx | that's just the directory though |
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| 22:34.32 | centrx | Some files and other directories inside it have different permissions. |
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| 22:34.44 | Norwack | centrx: okay, i only changed the /var/log permissions so that shouldnt be an issue |
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| 22:35.41 | Dungeon | hey guys.. can someone tell me how to add a new ipv4 addy to my server from commandline? |
| 22:35.42 | Norwack | centrx: also will putting /var/log/wtmp into a symlink pointing to /dev/null cause any issues? |
| 22:36.10 | Dungeon | ifconfig eth0:0 ip? |
| 22:36.26 | Dungeon | or should i start with 0:1? |
| 22:36.39 | Dungeon | or is that how id want to do it? |
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| 22:37.19 | centrx | Norwack, That might work |
| 22:37.26 | centrx | sounds a little risky though |
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| 22:38.33 | Norwack | centrx: what else would u suggest to avoid non-root users from reading logs that reveals other users ip and logs that might compromise the system? |
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| 22:39.24 | centrx | Norwack, PAM might have something for that |
| 22:39.34 | centrx | Norwack, Also changing the permissions of wtmp might be safer than redirecting to /dev/null |
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| 22:39.44 | centrx | Norwack, SELinux maybe |
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| 22:40.18 | centrx | Norwack, w/who has been on Unix for a long time, it doesn't seem to be considered a security risk |
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| 22:40.52 | Norwack | centrx: i have changed the permissions of w/who so it cant be executed |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 22:41.19 | centrx | Norwack, That's good, but anyone could download a copy of it locally and run it |
| 22:41.27 | centrx | from their home directory |
| 22:41.28 | abrotman | Norwack: there are many other ways to get that info |
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| 22:41.49 | centrx | lsof ... netstat ... |
| 22:41.55 | ScottE | Norwack: consider what you are trying to do essentially impossible. For example, with netstat and ps people won't have any trouble figuring it out |
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| 22:42.26 | abrotman | if you don't want users to see other users, look at LXC |
| 22:43.09 | Norwack | okay thanks guys |
| 22:43.12 | Norwack | will look into this stuff |
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| 22:45.26 | Dungeon | anyone for adding an more static ipv4's? |
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| 22:45.58 | Dungeon | eth0 is set and the server is online just got 2 additional addies i need to attach from commandline |
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| 22:51.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Dungeon about ip alias |
| 22:52.05 | Dungeon | ya |
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| 22:52.35 | Dungeon | eth0:0 then eth0:1 ? or would i want to add eth0:1 and eth0:2 |
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| 22:53.19 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 22:53.33 | Dungeon | i dont have keyboard access to this server |
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| 22:53.43 | Dungeon | is why im asking like a weeeetard to begin with |
| 22:53.49 | Dungeon | please pardon me |
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| 22:55.07 | Dungeon | then its ifconfig eth0:0 ip? to add it? |
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| 22:57.20 | okee | I am getting an error message indicating "error creating mount point, read only file system". How do I correct this error? |
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| 22:58.57 | dizzylizzy | OMG! A program I have great interest in has been released as free software instead of under a proprietary license, and is currently in non-free in the debian repos, and has been orphaned!!! |
| 22:59.07 | dizzylizzy | This sounds like the best ever way to get involved as a package maintainer |
| 22:59.37 | centrx | dpkg, tell dizzylizzy about nmg |
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| 23:01.57 | okee | dpkg input output error |
| 23:01.58 | dpkg | okee: i don't know |
| 23:02.45 | okee | Anyone know how to fix an input output error? Something got written that shouldn't have in Windows, using the Paragon File system, which lets you see Linux files. Everything seems to be working except this one folder. |
| 23:03.14 | dizzylizzy | thanks centrx :) |
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| 23:06.42 | Dungeon | looking at /etc/network |
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| 23:07.27 | Dungeon | i can copy edit the sets to add eth0:0 or eth0:1 with the new ip.. save it and what? |
| 23:07.30 | alextuskell | how do i find more information about the kernel beyond 'uname -a'? |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | such as? |
| 23:08.28 | alextuskell | whether it was custom built or binary packaged? |
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| 23:12.03 | jelly-home | okee: you will have to umount the file system and run fsck on it. If it's your / filesystem, you'll have to use a rescue or some other livecd or liveusb environment |
| 23:13.06 | okee | jelly-home> Much has happened since posting this message. I am now in the folder where the problem occurred, and see two temporary folders. I think trying to edit these folders with VIM, and then saving, and deleting the temp files might be the best option for now. |
| 23:13.50 | jelly-home | okee: editing folders makes no sense. If you got errors shown in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log, it's time to fsck |
| 23:14.11 | okee | jelly-home> Error no longer appears |
| 23:15.25 | jelly-home | you may have worked around it by wiping files, or you may have just hidden it. |
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| 23:18.30 | Dungeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.30 | Dungeon | SIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument |
| 23:19.07 | Dungeon | same thing with 0:0 |
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| 23:19.53 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, ifconfig eth0:1 172.245.183.81 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:20.25 | Dungeon | start with 0:0 or 0:1? |
| 23:21.31 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, I'd do 0:1 |
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| 23:21.55 | Dungeon | thats what i just did... lol thought you was ignoring me |
| 23:21.56 | Dungeon | ok |
| 23:21.59 | Dungeon | it took that |
| 23:22.31 | Dungeon | ok and are pinging |
| 23:22.46 | Bryanstein | have fun with your alias nics |
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| 23:23.09 | Dungeon | now then if i reboot theyll come active at boot right? |
| 23:25.02 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, you need to set them in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:25.19 | Dungeon | ok |
| 23:25.28 | Dungeon | and i picod that file and seen it also |
| 23:25.49 | Dungeon | so edit it copying and editing the eth0 info accordingly |
| 23:26.11 | Dungeon | save it and reboot the server? |
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| 23:27.28 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, you put eth0:1 in there? |
| 23:28.22 | Bryanstein | Just copy your eth0 if it's static then replace eth0 with eth0:1 |
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| 23:31.54 | CrumsOnTheFloor | anyone with experience in mpd + ncmpcpp |
| 23:32.15 | CrumsOnTheFloor | I've been able to install it before, but somehow it won't execute this time around |
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| 23:35.46 | abrotman | CrumsOnTheFloor: because it gives what sort of error? |
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| 23:42.15 | Dungeon | hey bryanstein? editing the interfaces file now |
| 23:42.36 | Dungeon | address and netmask is all i have to make entry lines for right? |
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| 23:43.58 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, ummm no...it really depends on what you're going after but you'd do yourself some good googling virtual interfaces and debian |
| 23:44.05 | Dungeon | or do i need to add the gateway and nameserver for each? |
| 23:45.03 | Dungeon | they should be on the same gate as the eth0 |
| 23:45.35 | Bryanstein | Just copy your eth0 and rename the corresponding virtual nics eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
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| 23:45.51 | Dungeon | ok so with the gateway and all |
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| 23:46.20 | Dungeon | editing |
| 23:47.10 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, http://goo.gl/AJ9WyO |
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| 23:48.18 | Bryanstein | Dungeon, realistically you have to do some work and reading. I'm more easy going than others but we do expect you to show up here after you've tried and given an honest effort. You'll get more help that way and also help yourself more :oP |
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| 23:52.36 | Dungeon | i did do some googling |
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| 23:53.01 | Dungeon | made things worse... only thing helped in this case was my old school slight memory |
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| 23:53.05 | Pymous | Hello ! |
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| 23:53.31 | Dungeon | ive not been back in linux long and sometimes need the aid of a gui or webmin or something of that nature.. its hard for me to get by in commandline |
| 23:53.56 | Dungeon | i did modify that file and copied each entry |
| 23:53.57 | Pymous | I have a friend who did the update from squeez to wheezy, and now libncursesw5 and libncurses5 cannot be updated (without losing a bunch of packet like ssh, ...) properly |
| 23:54.02 | Dungeon | save it and exit |
| 23:54.16 | Pymous | And so he can't install any new packet like python, ... any idea ? |
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| 23:54.19 | CrumsOnTheFloor | abrotman: Ncmpcpp won't update the songlist even though my folderpath is correct |
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| 23:55.02 | Dungeon | bryan im going to make note of your link as well in my notepad file i keep |
| 23:55.10 | Dungeon | for further reading |
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| 23:55.20 | Dungeon | i thank you for the help |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | CrumsOnTheFloor: so it does execute |
| 23:55.47 | Dungeon | so with that file being edited i should be good now before i type reboot right? :p |
| 23:55.49 | Dungeon | lol |
| 23:55.52 | CrumsOnTheFloor | abrotman: the database update, yes |
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| 23:57.34 | Pymous | I have a friend who did the update from squeez to wheezy, and now libncursesw5 and libncurses5 cannot be updated (without losing a bunch of packages like ssh, ...) properly and now he can't install any new package like python, ... any idea ? |
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| 23:58.26 | Dungeon | need to look at fail2ban next |
| 23:59.32 | blackhole | Hi I am running Debian 7 and running vncserver :1 is giving me issue, it error with this log --> http://ideone.com/aErS3e . Can someone please have a look |
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